Jake Rattlesnake Uncensored: DEI Consultant LOSES IT After Trump NUKES DEI Programs

Summary

Timcast IRL – Episode Summary: "Jake Rattlesnake Uncensored: DEI Consultant LOSES IT After Trump NUKES DEI Programs"
Release Date: January 26, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Phil, Luke, Matt Walsh, Ryan Reynolds, and Caller Elias Coop Gonzalez

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Introduction

In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool delves into the significant impacts of former President Donald Trump's executive actions against Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) programs. The discussion features a robust panel including Phil, Luke, Matt Walsh, and a special guest, Ryan Reynolds, alongside caller Elias Coop Gonzalez, a DEI consultant affected by the administration's policies. The episode covers a range of topics from government overreach, the dissolution of DEI departments in major corporations, to broader societal and political implications.

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DEI Programs and Trump's Executive Orders

The episode opens with a discussion on how Trump's administration has actively dismantled DEI initiatives across various sectors. Elias Coop Gonzalez shares his firsthand experience, highlighting the abrupt cancellation of his environmental justice training session due to new federal guidelines.

Elias Coop Gonzalez (05:55): "Donald Trump's executive order on DEI programs is causing immediate and tangible disruptions."

Tim Pool emphasizes the bureaucratic obstacles faced by businesses in West Virginia trying to navigate these changes, citing excessive regulations and intentional delays as tools used by local leftist factions to hinder progress.

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Impact on Businesses and Corporations

Panelists discuss the ripple effects of these executive orders on large corporations. Phil notes that companies like Meta and Amazon have responded by eliminating their DEI departments, aligning with Trump’s directives.

Phil (07:00): "We're seeing big tech companies clean house on DEI, which is a positive move against a corrosive societal force."

Luke agrees, stating that DEI programs offer no tangible benefits and often exacerbate societal divisions.

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Callers and Audience Interaction

The episode features interactive segments with callers addressing various issues:

• Elias Coop Gonzalez shares his frustrations with law enforcement, recounting a personal incident of being wrongfully arrested in New Jersey despite adhering to state travel laws regarding firearm transport.

Elias Coop Gonzalez (46:02): "I was arrested for possession of a firearm even though I was following New Jersey's travel laws."

The panel responds by condemning police misconduct and advocating for greater accountability.

Tim Pool (50:50): "Those officers are acting outside the law and should be held accountable."

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Second Amendment and Gun Legislation

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the proposed national constitutional carry bill introduced by Representative Thomas Massey, supported by Trump.

Luke (23:22): "I believe the bill aligns with the Second Amendment but doubt its passage without broader support in Congress."

The panel debates the feasibility and potential impact of such legislation, with Phil expressing skepticism about its likelihood of passing both the House and Senate.

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Mexican Cartels as Terrorist Organizations

The conversation shifts to the designation of Mexican drug cartels as terrorist organizations by the Trump administration. Panelists discuss the complexities and potential consequences of taking military action against deeply entrenched criminal organizations within Mexico.

Phil (34:19): "The cartels have a monopoly over crime in Mexico, making any substantial intervention challenging."

Tim Pool compares the cartel threat to other international conflicts, emphasizing its direct impact on American safety and security.

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Issues with Law Enforcement and Arrests

Caller Elias Coop Gonzalez details his negative experience with New Jersey law enforcement, highlighting systemic issues within the policing system.

Elias Coop Gonzalez (46:38): "Despite following all legal protocols, I was falsely accused and arrested."

The panel discusses the broader implications of such incidents, advocating for transparency and accountability in law enforcement practices.

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Executive Power and Pardon Authority

A heated debate ensues over the President's pardon power and its constitutional implications. Panelists express concerns about the potential abuse of this authority and its impact on the judicial system.

Luke (42:11): "The pardon power undermines the co-equal branches of government as outlined in the Constitution."

Phil echoes these sentiments, stressing that unchecked executive power can erode trust in governmental institutions.

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Concluding Remarks

As the episode wraps up, Tim Pool previews upcoming discussions, including debates on immigration, the economy, and cultural issues. He also briefly shares personal news about undergoing medical procedures, adding a personal touch to the politically charged conversation.

Tim Pool (53:46): "Thanks for joining us today. Stay tuned for tomorrow's episode where we'll tackle the ongoing culture war."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Elias Coop Gonzalez (05:55): "Donald Trump's executive order on DEI programs is causing immediate and tangible disruptions."
• Phil (07:00): "We're seeing big tech companies clean house on DEI, which is a positive move against a corrosive societal force."
• Luke (23:22): "I believe the bill aligns with the Second Amendment but doubt its passage without broader support in Congress."
• Elias Coop Gonzalez (46:02): "I was arrested for possession of a firearm even though I was following New Jersey's travel laws."
• Tim Pool (50:50): "Those officers are acting outside the law and should be held accountable."

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Conclusion

This episode of Timcast IRL provides an in-depth analysis of the Trump administration's efforts to eliminate DEI programs and the ensuing backlash from affected professionals and corporations. Through passionate discussions and real-life anecdotes, the panel highlights the broader implications of these policies on business practices, law enforcement, and constitutional rights. The episode underscores the ongoing cultural and political battles shaping contemporary American society.

Transcript

[Ryan Reynolds]

Hey there, Ryan Reynolds here. It's a new year and you know what that means. No, not the diet resolutions. A way for us all to try and do a little bit better than we did last year. And my resolution, unlike big wireless, is to not be a raging and raise the price of wireless on you every chance I get. Give it a [e-mail] Switch $45 upfront payment required equivalent to $15 per month. New customers on first 3 month plan only. Taxes and fees. Extra speed slower above 40 GB on unlimited. See mintmobile.com for details. So I like the name Freedomistan. Luke originally said Freedom Stan. And I'm like, it doesn't really work. It needs more syllables than that, you know. And so those that don't know, Stan means city or place of. That's why, you know, in the Middle east, you Afghanistan and Turkmenistan. And I was like, free domestan. There you go. That's what we call it. Freedomistan. That's the funny name.

[Phil]

Now it's ironic because we barely have any rights in Frito.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Well, it's funny because apparently the crew is informing me that the governor retweeted Elias Coop Gonzalez, a legislature who said when I said don't open a business in West Virginia, holy fuck, I regret coming here. He said, sad to see this, but I honestly can't blame him. Our state favors the wealthy of a handful of big companies at the expense of small businesses. Not only that, but we spend like crazy and hardly cut any taxes or regulations. I do, however, think that our new leadership will steer the ship in the right direction. Morrissey responded, he's the governor, of course, and I know him, we've met him, we've had him on the show. And he said, we will be the leader to make it easier for businesses to grow and flourish. We are 11 days in. It will make a huge difference. We would love it if folks followed up and told us what problematic and burdensome regulations they want to see eliminated. We will move faster and quicker than anyone to make that happen. The problem for the coffee shop is that everything in West Virginia is a historic building. And so I genuinely believe that the city is woke leftist largely, and a bunch of local business were fans. But I think they obstruct intentionally to keep people out. That's what the left does. And so every time we have a problem or want to make a move, it's always like it takes a month to resolve an issue and they'll be like, hey, this mezzanine was improperly built. It has to be removed. And we were like, done. We'll move it right now. Well, you know, come back with your plans in a month and we'll go over the plans with you. It's like, okay, month later we come back, okay, here are the plans. Okay, the plans are okay, but you got to change it. Come back in a month and we'll go over the plans with you. And we're like, are you kidding me? So anyway, that's where we're at. The other thing I want to say to everybody is tomorrow we'll do the culture war. And then I might be. It'll be my last show ever because I'm going to get a bone graft. So I got a root canal 25 years ago. And root canals don't last forever. And my time has come. So I have a crown. And I was, I was, I was at the, When I was in. Hanging out in. Where were we just now? What's literally where you see, Geez, I don't even remember where I'm at. And I was eating chicken and I bit the bone and my tooth cracked. And so I was like, I gotta go to the dentist to get a tooth repaired. It was a pre molar and the dentist is like, look, you're almost 40 premolars. They crack because of their shape. Welcome to being old. And I was like, yeah, these things, they come and they happen. And they're like, don't worry, we'll crown it. It'll be super easy. And so they, it took like an hour and it got crowned. No problem. And then they said, your root canal is done. It has to, you gotta get, you gotta get it out. And I was like, yes, I know, because my dentist has already told me several times. I went to an emergency dentist and I was like, my dentist already told me I would have to get it extracted at some point. But they were trying to, they were trying to put it off as long as possible because the dentists don't like doing extractions. And. And so she was just like, we've got to take it out and we've got to do a bone graft. There's been bone loss and it's like a one year process of recovery. Yeah. So what they do is, so tomorrow I'm going in at 4 o'clock and they're going to extract the root canal tooth. It's been dead for 20 years or 25 years. And then they're going to put. And this is the best part. They're like, we have to do a bone graft. We have to put bone there to shore up the space and make it possible for an implant and all that stuff. And I was like, okay. And then I said, where does the bone come from? And the lady was like, a cadaver. And I laughed and I was like, you could have said a donor, A cadaver really freaks me out, but I get it. And so it is a one week direct healing process. And so the dentist there, she's more of a dentist. She's like, she runs the whole practice. But she was like, we'll get you good by Monday. And I don't think they know. I was like, oh, I talk like five hours a day. How it's, it's like, it's. It's serious surgery. Your face is swollen, your nose is bleeding, you have black eyes. You have a black eye and it's like legit serious. And she's like, I think by Monday you'll be okay. And I'm like, I don't think by Monday I'll be okay. So the actual treatment plan says it's usually a one week. One week recovery of, like, just eating soup and laying down. So we'll see what happens.

[Phil]

But.

[Ryan Reynolds]

But that's the heads up for all of you. For, for those that are wondering, Phil will be hosting tomorrow night and then presumably Monday. But we'll see what happens. I don't know. I'm a strapping young lad, so what.

[Tim Pool]

If I'm almost like this?

[Ryan Reynolds]

And then there's always the possibility that the surgery goes wrong, they hit a nerve, my face is paralyzed and the show's over forever.

[Tim Pool]

And you'd be like, Timmy from South Park. You know, it does like this.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Welcome to Tim Cast irl.

[Tim Pool]

My name is Tim Paul and this is.

[Ryan Reynolds]

I'd quit and go live in a van down by the river and be the half face paralyzed guy playing poker.

[Tim Pool]

Was.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Let's go, let's go to the story, though, and talk about what we actually said we're going to talk about. This is a hilarious video that's picking up traction where I guess it's like, as a. Let me read the tweet from Tim Cast News. Trump ended. Oh, this is end wokeness. We've got the Tim Cast News version. The effects of Donald Trump's executive order on DEI are becoming evident immediately.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Okay, okay.

[Ryan Reynolds]

So today I was supposed to be leading a training about environmental justice for.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

A national agency, but it was canceled.

[Ryan Reynolds]

An hour before it started. Why?

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Well, because the new federal guidelines from the Trump administration ban not only DEI trainings, but also any trainings or programs about environmental justice.

[Ryan Reynolds]

And they're not stopping there. These policies go further, rolling back protections for our water land, opening the floodgates.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

To drilling, silencing those that are fighting for justice in any form. And to make matters worse, they're demanding a list of contractors like me who provide DEI and environmental justice trainings. And to be honest, it's terrifying.

[Tim Pool]

And the crazy.

[Ryan Reynolds]

So today I was supposed to be.

[Tim Pool]

Leading a training about environmental.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Well, there you go.

[Phil]

This is the contracting that they're trying to prevent in West Virginia, Stuff like this.

[Ryan Reynolds]

And then I agree with it.

[Tim Pool]

There is useless people in the entire world. There's actually no scientific basis for what they do for dei.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Nope.

[Tim Pool]

Even in the social scientist sciences, which is not that scientific itself, there's no basis for this. Like, it's not replicable at all. The implicit bias test is complete and that's what it's all based on.

[Luke]

And it all make. It makes people more racist.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Luke]

When you, when you teach people to focus on race and, and differences and, and when you blame one group for all the problems that another group is having, it, it strains the, the ability for people to get along. So focusing on, on race is the absolute worst thing you can do in a society that's multicultural or has, has multiple races living in it. You want to, you want to do as much as you can to de. Emphasize the differences like race and stuff like that, especially when it comes to, you know, law and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, y. Go on a lot. Yeah.

[Phil]

I was going to say one things about the Trump administration coming in and one of the things they're doing is that he's put pressure on all of these bigger companies to get rid of their dei, I don't know, departments or what have you. So what we saw at Meta and what we're seeing now at Amazon and all these big tech companies is that they're kind of cleaning house of a lot of this stuff. So it's good that you see a lot of these tech CEOs now working hand in hand with Trump instead of fighting him as they did in the past administration. So you hope, you know, we'll be able to see him get more stuff done on the heels of that stuff. So I think it was Amazon or Meta that just abolished their DEI department.

[Tim Pool]

So hopefully I really, it's promising and if it's on the way out, then fantastic because it's such a corrosive force. And like the worst part about it, I mean, all of this sort of societal corrosiveness that goes with it. But just having to listen to these entitled Karens speaking to you and speaking down to you like you're two years old about stuff that you know is objectively bullshit is just torture. It's torture. I wouldn't want to subject my worst enemy to it.

[Luke]

Yeah, it does nothing positive. There are no, just like you said, there are no benefits to have in these programs.

[Tim Pool]

And they all speak with that upwards inflection. Well, did you know that when you. Oh, gosh, yeah.

[Phil]

And another part of this too is that you mentioned it earlier, like the implicit bias studies were based on bunk science. And then we're seeing downstream from this different corporations having to implement different policies based on these bunk science and studies. And who do they have to hire? They have to hire people like these to get it done. And then once you do that as a business, you'll cover more of your bases in case you get sued for something down the line. A lot of the stuff, the industry of how all this, a lot of.

[Luke]

It is just insulate or, you know, insurance against legislation.

[Phil]

Yeah. Well, it's like, oh, you get accused of something racist in your company and it's like, oh, how can I be racist? Look, we had this DEI person come in. Yeah, we paid $100,000 for.

[Luke]

Then the company can, can offload it onto the individual as opposed to the, as opposed to the company being accused of having a culture of blah, blah, blah. It's like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson used to do the exact same thing. Someone would say, oh, this person's racist. And then Al Sharpton would say, well, or not Al Sharpton, but, but Jesse Jackson would say, look, you give a big check to the Rainbow Coalition and we'll come and we'll say that you're not racist. But you had to write a big check. And then Jesse Jackson would come and say, no, I know these people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They're not racist. And Al Sharpton did the same grift, but the system worked. Get someone. If you get accused of racism, you call up Jesse Jackson and then you write a check to the Rainbow Coalition and then they'll go ahead and they'll, they'll defend you. And then it just turned into a whole business model.

[Tim Pool]

Well, now there's a whole great business model as well. Yeah. 100. I mean, how easy is it to become a freaking wellness coach or something these days? You take it, you take a stupid little course and all of a sudden you're like, well, it's, it's very inclusive, like 300 pound black woman telling you what to do.

[Luke]

But it's not a stupid little course anymore because once you go to school and go through the humanities course classes necessary to get this, which is, you know, whatever, $60,000 or $100,000, I think.

[Tim Pool]

That you can get it much easier than that if you, if you just do like a course like outside of online.

[Luke]

Yeah, but they're not going to check you for like that's not the, that's not. That doesn't have the same gravitas like going through school and getting a degree and stuff. And you get a degree and then you get released into the wild and you can open your own blah, blah, blah or whatever. And then you can make the real big bucks. $20,000 for a dinner where you get to get a bunch of white and. And the one brown person calls everybody racist.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, like that's the legit struggle struggles that.

[Luke]

That was. I forget what her. I forget what her name was, but it was in the. The Amiracist movie that, that Matt Walsh just released.

[Tim Pool]

It's like they take, they take the white ladies out to dinner and then there's that one black lady and there's the, there's.

[Luke]

There's an Indian and a black woman and they. All they do is they just, they just listen to the white women tell them how racist they are and then they say, yes, you're all racist and blah, blah, blah. And they say, well, we're not. We're perfect because we're br. We have brown skin. And you guys are all horrible walk. You pay like $20,000. Like each woman gets $10,000 for an evening to sit around and call you racist. It's the most. It, not only is it bad, but it's also stupid people getting relieved of their money. Stupid people that have too much money, they just go ahead and say, well, I want to feel better about myself. So I'll give these two women. You know, some of the biggest blog.

[Tim Pool]

You can get is like if you get government contracts and if you get contracts from big corporations who have to fill out their quota of like wellness or whatever, you can l. Poses whatever you want. You can be a retreat, like a breathing, breathing technique retreat or something. And you charge corporations. Yeah, exactly. To bring, to bring their. Their employees there for. And they can film it, fill out their wellness quota or whatever.

[Matt Walsh]

That's when you say quotas and you start talking about big business. Like, I have a degree in economics, dude. All this is, is ESG. When I was coming out of school in what, 2017 28, 2017, when I graduated, all they were talking about is this new implementation of esg. All ESG is, is how woke are you? If you're woke enough and you like.

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[Matt Walsh]

The point where, oh, we can choose to invest money because you meet all these particular quotas and stipulations and all this. That's what the big money is behind this. That's just pushing all this stuff. That's what we have. You know, Dylan, whatever her name is, his name is not her name. Dylan Mulvaney and all these people is because there's a behemoth of money behind all this. If that was for however long, it's finally those companies have realized that, like, you know, the public doesn't want these things and some of them are turning around.

[Tim Pool]

It's interesting, though, how it comes from these big, massive financial industries, though, and these, these sort of BlackRocks and Vangu cards, etc, who have. And if you think about what, what ESG actually is, is it's them having the levers of control over the financial market and over all of these companies where they can say, well, you have to do this, this and this or else you won't get financing. I used to work at a. I used to work at a recruitment company and they were like, to us, because we had an office in Melbourne and there was like five of us in the office and they were like, guys, we need to hire somebody else. And. And they said it has to be a woman. And we were like, all right. And then, I mean, like, why? Because, oh, you know, in order to get financing from these massive, like, financier companies or whatever, we have to fill out this quota.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. And South Africa, they did racial quotas a long time ago, but you had to hire three black guys to one white guy. So there's a bunch of people that are very incompetent, going to work these jobs that are causing a lot of problems, etc. Etc. So that all comes down the road. And now the country has completely fallen apart. And that was like legal stipulation, but this is the same thing. When it comes to money and stuff like that, it's even if not even more dangerous and more controlled because money makes everything happen. Money makes the entire world function. You say, okay, well we can just. We don't like this business. We don't like they're making money. We don't like people are confident in this business and investing in it. We don't want that to exist. Well, let's just see if we pull a string here and pull a string here. And that's what ESG is. They can just get rid of you. They can debank you just a longer circuitous way.

[Tim Pool]

Have you ever seen the ESG scores in the companies that are like lower stand. Like Tesla has a really score.

[Phil]

The thing is too is that I used to work in pure procurement in a big media company in the past. And we were specifically incentivized to seek out majority, minority or woman owned businesses because if we purchased enough from then from them, then we'd receive a tax break. So we were, you know, incentivized to find businesses to try to get a tax break. And half of the time these companies aren't actually majority woman or minority owned to begin with. It would be somebody who owns a company and then let his wife put everything under her name or stuff like that. And really only just making these more, more of these perverse incentives.

[Tim Pool]

Behind every strong woman there's an organized man.

[Phil]

Well, exactly. And it's just like, well, what am I trying to accomplish here? Finding the best deal for the best dollar or a woman who's doing this job. So I could tally how much money we spent with woman to brag about it at the next woman's conference. You know, that's what they want.

[Ryan Reynolds]

That's what they want.

[Phil]

And now look how much we're spending with women where this is our program to promote women is spending money with them.

[Tim Pool]

And I was working at a, when I was working in that recruitment industry, I remember we were, I was hiring for big renewable energies projects. God forgive me. Anyway, anyways, they Trump's not gonna, there's great, great money though. It's all like, you know, these big government contracts, probably a lot of tax money. Yeah, yeah. So they, they would, they would tell us if you can find someone who's aboriginal, which is like indigenous Australian or a woman.

[Phil]

Is that what you guys call your natives?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, we'll roll out the red carpet for them. Oh, I ever found an Aboriginal woman.

[Ryan Reynolds]

I got something funny for you. There's a, there's a brewery and I think it's like a restaurant. It's called the Abolition Ale Works. They call it Abbo for short. And all over the inside it says Abbo everywhere.

[Luke]

Yep.

[Ryan Reynolds]

There are pictures that say Abbo Abo. And we brought one of our Australian friends in there and he went, holy crap. He's like, you guys have no idea what this would be like in Australia.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's like just having the N word everywhere.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, it literally is, dude.

[Tim Pool]

I have the worst experience like that. I used to live in London for three years and I was working at this brewery and the security guards were all these, like, Caribbean black dudes. And in Australia, if you say wog, it means like Mediterranean. It means Italian, Greek, Spanish, etc, And I went to the security guard and I was like, hey, dude, there's a guy starting trouble out the back there. And the guy goes, what does he look like? And I was like, he's, you know, like six foot tall, wog guy. Security guy goes, what? Because in, in England it means like gullywog, which is the black face with the girly hair and everything. So he wanted to be one of those, like, wog, wog, you know, like Italian. Something totally different. It's like, it's like saying the N.

[Luke]

Word, you know, you're talking about, like the whole DEI stuff. It does make me wonder if it wasn't for the decade of free money, you know, 10 years of zero interest rates and, you know, whatever however long it was that the. The dollar has been unpegged from the gold standard. I wonder if the act, the money itself, had value, if there would be as much demand or if, if the economy would support these. These, you know, nuisance garbage stuff.

[Matt Walsh]

No way. Because. Because there's no value in it. Most things that don't have value will lose value very quickly. That's the whole. That's the whole story that you learn. Economics 101, which is the Dutch tulip tulip boom. Like, the tulips have no value, but they grow all these different colors of tulips and stuff like that to say, oh, well, this is a specific kind of tulips. Eventually I realized these are just flowers. And in Holland, they grow everywhere, like weed all over the place. And they're like, this has no value. And that's like. It's literally one of the first things you learn. And yet for some reason, modern monetary policy comes out and they're saying, don't worry, we're going to put it all on our workers back for our workers. They can work forever. Americans will work and do everything for free and cheap. And, you know, they weren't talking about.

[Tim Pool]

The diminishing labor force. You guys weren't.

[Matt Walsh]

Right. They were talking about the H1B visa guys. They're hiring to come and cut chicken at Chipotle.

[Ryan Reynolds]

You know, so we'll go to callers, but someone sent me a chart of all the states that have the same law as West Virginia. And it's basically all of them. Tennessee is absolutely included. Pretty sure Texas, Michigan doesn't. There's something called common law, which is basically. It's a broad interpretation where it's kind of like, we trust you that these are contractors for a reason. And then you have the ABC test places. Holy. This is relatively new. States have been passing the ABC test laws. They've outright banned contracting. The ABC test law basically says that it's got the standard provisions like the individual is allowed to work on their own time to do the issue. But the second provision, the B, is that they can't do any work related to the business.

[Luke]

Really?

[Phil]

Yep.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Work. So we can't contract journalists, huh?

[Phil]

Oh, fuck.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Yep. We can't contract anyone who makes any kind of media in any way.

[Tim Pool]

It's bad news. A lot.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Everybody.

[Phil]

Fuck.

[Ryan Reynolds]

But this is fucked because the way the media industry works is that, like, a lot will contract with a bunch of different people depending on who's offering a contract. Contract. And so, like, Eli will be like, hey, there's a thing coming up. And we'll be like, yeah, go do it. And then he'll invoice us under West Virginia law. We can't do that anymore because that's the scope of the business. Meaning you have to be an employee, which means you can't work for anyone else and your career is over. That's retarded.

[Luke]

Like that as well, is what, New Hampshire?

[Ryan Reynolds]

Let me. Let me pull back up the chart and see if I have it. New hamp. Yep. Yeah. Texas is not. Texas is common law, meaning that they give you broad discretion determining what is or isn't. Then you've got the limit. Virginia is a limited. Meaning it's. It's. They find you. If they find that you are, you know, misusing it. This all has to do with a ruling from the. From the federal government. It was in. Let me see if I can pull this up. It was in 2021. Where is it? Department of labor issued a rule clarifying the independent contract criteria. And since then, states across the country have been enacting these gig economy restrictions, which have basically made it impossible for companies to contract special talent or special work. So what we have to do now for West Virginia, anybody who's unemployed has to have a term contract. So we have to set a time limit. It has to be reasonable. They can't quit. They, they would incur a penalty if they try to break the contract. So we have to, we have to do crazy ass. Yep.

[Phil]

Sounds like it'd almost be easier to import somebody from India to do my job. I'm joking. Don't do that. Nobody could do podcast.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Let's grab. Brian T. You are on the program. Hey, thanks for having me on. First time I've called in this year.

[Matt Walsh]

Now, my question was actually for the.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Panel you didn't cover tonight, but Thomas Massey, representative, you had him on last night interested introduce a national constitutional carry bill into the Congress. Yep. The president Donald Trump has indicated his support. What he wanted to do was get national reciprocity going on, which Phil, you.

[Luke]

Know, reciprocity, constitution, two different things.

[Ryan Reynolds]

But do you think that that bill will get out of committee unless Donald Trump gets behind it? It.

[Luke]

I don't think that the bill would get out of committee even if Donald Trump gets behind it. Yeah, I'd love to see it. I'm 100% behind it. I think that it's the actual correct stance on the second Amendment and that should be nationwide. But I don't think that there is the stomach in the House to get it out of, you know, to get an actual vote on it. And even if there is the stomach in the House to get an actual vote, I don't think that there'll be enough votes to get it to pass. And I don't think that it would pass the Senate even if it did.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Well, I have a bet going on with several members of your discord community, Tim.

[Luke]

I'm well known as hating cheeseburgers.

[Ryan Reynolds]

If that vote gets to the actual floor of the House and gets a vote, I will eat a cheeseburger on live stream.

[Luke]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

If you can't finish it, I'm here.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Phil]

I mean, I think Thomas Massie made himself a lot of enemies in the past speaker race. Yep. So I don't know how many Republicans are going to be in a mood to work with Thomas Massie. He's made a lot of enemies and he's kind of known as an obstructionist. I'm glad he introduced legislation like this. But if you don't build up any political clout in Congress and he was the sole Republican to vote against Speaker Johnson, I just, I don't know how well that's going to go if you don't have the speaker on your side trying to advance legislation in the House.

[Luke]

He had good reasons for doing that.

[Phil]

I'm sure he did, but I'm just saying as far as passing legislation moving forward, if you don't have the speaker on your side and you're the only guy in Congress, the only Republican in Congress who voted against him for the speakership, then good luck getting your legislation passed is how it works in the House.

[Ryan Reynolds]

So, yeah, I'm right there with you. You're, you're a realist, just as I am. And anyway, thanks for having me on. I'll be back.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe we're looking forward to.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Me right on. Well, thanks for calling in. Yes, sir. Well, all right, let's, let's see what we got next. We've got mini. Matt 21, you were on the show.

[Luke]

What's up, Minimat? Are you muted, Matt?

[Ryan Reynolds]

All right, we'll have to come back to Minimat and let's try Shadowbox design.

[Tim Pool]

What is up?

[Ryan Reynolds]

Hey, how we doing? First time I'm calling in this year. As he said.

[Phil]

What's up?

[Ryan Reynolds]

I will just make the case. I know somebody said earlier, Indiana, I know some folks who work in the state government, so if you guys had any interest in coming over here, just reach out. I can get you connected. Just moving on to my question, though. I recently had a conversation with a Mexican co worker about deportation of illegal immigrants, and he brought up an interesting question. If the illegals don't consider themselves American and only want to use our systems to their benefit, would they take violent measures against ICE and local police in order to try to stay in the country?

[Matt Walsh]

Of course.

[Phil]

I would believe some definitely would. Some definitely would consider that. I'm sure some would say they have nothing to lose at their own peril.

[Tim Pool]

You'd hope.

[Phil]

You'd hope not. But many of these people are also gang members, and many of these people are criminals who use violence to advance whatever goals they have anyway. So it's at least how I see it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And if they do, then certainly not.

[Ryan Reynolds]

A, Not a good thing that they're here.

[Luke]

No, not at all. But I mean, at the same time, like, if they, if, if the option is, you know, they're already criminals and they've committed crimes in the past and they're gonna get deported. I, I don't. And, and they're living all, you know, under the, you know, they're living in the shadows. Anyways. I, I imagine a good portion of them would would be like, you're not getting me. I'm not going. You know, and they might not. Like, I don't imagine them being directly confrontational, but I do think that, like, if. If they could, you know, if they, like, I ima. I can easily conceive of them stabbing a police officer so the police officer lets them go and then hightailing it, you know, I mean, I don't imagine like a, you know, a gunfight where they're actually trying. Where they're looking to kill the cop, like. Like you see some aggressive perpetrators do, But I can definitely see them shooting at a cop to try and get the cop to duck and let them go so they can run, you know?

[Ryan Reynolds]

Yeah. Well, I appreciate you answering the question, and just thank you to you guys for what you do. And I wanted to say to Tim, specifically you and some other guests on the show, like, last year kind of inspired me to get into serving my community. And I just got my EMT certification. Wow. Last month. Yeah. So moving into that. And this is also a announcement for everybody else watching. I just the other day I put this up on. Or I guess just a couple hours ago, I put this up on my Watchman clothing company. You can use code Tim for 15% off now, because I know a lot of the people I get purchases from or from your. From your discord. So I just wanted to put that up for everybody else. And, yeah, I appreciate you taking the call. Right on. Well, thanks for calling in. Yep. All right, well, let's. Let's grab Tyler Today News. What is going on, dude?

[Tim Pool]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Ryan Reynolds]

So my question today is for the panel.

[Tim Pool]

Now that the Mexican drug cartels have.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Been designated as terrorist organizations, what actions.

[Tim Pool]

Would you be in support of to.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Go against the cartels, such as, you know, declaring war, sending in troops, using drones, or whatever other actions we might have to take. Mark. And reprisal, not war. That's what it's supposed to be. That's when we isolate a singular group and we target them with our military without declaring war. So, yeah, we should shut them down. I don't know that I have enough strategic and tactical expertise to determine the best ways to do it, But I would support Donald Trump and his efforts to stop the cartels in whatever way he sees fit.

[Phil]

I'm down for drone strikes against cartel members, depending on the crime. Obviously, if we're attacked by the cartel, it's all hands off. Preferably it doesn't have to get bloody, because I don't think we're ready to stomach a prolonged battle against the cartel on our southern border, it would require us really going in and overthrowing Mexico, given that they are a narco state. So it's just so ingrained in their society that anything below regime change in Mexico I don't think would really give.

[Tim Pool]

Them all little pages for them to carry pagers.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then once enough of them have it, we could just boom.

[Phil]

Well, hey, maybe we need to hire Mossad to infiltrate the different cartels, but the cartels are totally infiltrated in the government in Mexico. So, you know, you don't want massage to work your way through. And maybe they'll be the next president.

[Luke]

Over there because of the fact that the US has so much influence, like geopolitically with Mexico. I. I understand. I'm not not debating what you're saying about the infiltration and stuff, but I think that the US can offer a whole lot more pressure than you're giving credit to the U. S. For me, sure.

[Phil]

I think we don't want to hit the fan with Mexico. Mexico is one of our largest trading partners. And if there's violence right on our border, that's not something that I think Americans are going to be happy or comfortable with. So that's why you kind of have to deal with Mexico.

[Luke]

How many people have died already, though.

[Phil]

On the Mexican border?

[Luke]

I mean, from like fentanyl, that's being.

[Phil]

Oh, that's a whole different question. But as far as, like.

[Luke]

No, I feel like. I feel like the American people look at that as the same question, that.

[Phil]

If that's the case, that we're counting those as like a real. Not real deaths, obviously, they're all real deaths. But I think there's a difference between the cartel physically shooting and killing somebody versus somebody taking drugs and overdosing and dying. But there's hundreds of thousands over the past handful of years of Americans who have died from the fentanyl crisis. That's more than most Americans that have died. If you compare it to a war or something, I think you'd have to go back to Vietnam to have a comparable number of casualties. I think of the war in Afghanistan only had a few thousands, if I'm not mistaken, deaths. So if we're comparing those two, it's a. It's a crazy way to comprehend.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I look at that and I think that the Mexican drug cartel problem and coming over the border in America is much more directly significant for Americans than any other war in either Ukraine or in Israel or in any of these other places. So to not consider it a genuine threat to get your military involved, but to want to send boots on the ground in Ukraine, which is happening. They do have people training the people over in Ukraine is. Is absurd to me.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They're literally coming onto the border.

[Phil]

Yeah. Well, they have drones even over the border.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And they get tunnels underneath it. And it's. It's. It's insane.

[Phil]

It's something that the American government will eventually have to address on a large scale. Yeah. And again, it's something that we will have to be doing with the cooperation of the Mexican government. That is an Arco state. So, again, that's where it's like a lot of issues. It's a big. It's a big knot over there to. And once you start unraveling it, it's, you know, once you get the ball.

[Tim Pool]

Rolling, if you were to annex Mexico and make that another state, you have some great real estate there on the beach.

[Ryan Reynolds]

We did. And Polk gave it up.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Ryan Reynolds]

We won. It was the Mexican American War. We seized almost all of Mexico.

[Tim Pool]

And was it. And Texas as well. And. And that whole area. But they gave. They. They kept Texas and gave away America or they gave away Mexico. Yeah.

[Ryan Reynolds]

And the American people were pissed off. We won it through conquest. And he just gave.

[Tim Pool]

Beautiful down in Mexico.

[Phil]

I've never been.

[Tim Pool]

I was in Tequila earlier in the year, and I was in Guadalajara, and beautiful. But, like, I was in. I was in Tequila, which is where they make tequila, funnily enough. And we were there at like 5pm in this really cool brewery thing, and we were drinking tequila with some of the local Mexicans. And then it started to get dark, and they were like, you got to get out of here. And we were like, why? We're having fun. We're drinking tequila with the locals. And then they just said, the cartels come here after dark and they will kill you.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Wow.

[Phil]

They're saying now that Trump labeled some of the Mexican cartels terrorist organizations. It could be dynamic and how the sanctions affects them because the cartel is so heavily involved in different industries in Mexico. The avocado industry, the tourism industry. The cartel really has their hands in so many different things in Mexico where if you start going after them, there's so many legitimate businesses that they're connected with where it's very. They're just so deeply ingrained in Mexico's government, their institutions, their society, where it's like you're really trying to split hairs to. To. To remove them. And it would take a big political will, a large political will to Address it. So.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, I mean, they are absolutely everywhere over there. And you speak to the locals and they'll just tell you about it.

[Phil]

Yeah, they're the ones running the streets. The common police enforcement. It's really done by the cartel and like, as I understand, like half of Mexico. So.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, literally. And. And like I said when I was. I was in Guadalajara for a month, just living there, and I always. I just speak to the, to the locals and be like, what's it like with the cartels and everything over here? And they'd be like, you can't really see them, but they're omnipresent. Right. And they have basically a monopoly over crime in these places, and they have a monopoly over violence. And anytime anything happens, it doesn't go without the cartels.

[Phil]

That's insane. They're. They're the de facto police presence. They have sovereignty in most of Mexico. So it sounds so.

[Tim Pool]

And like they are brutal. Brutal.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And even in. In El Salvador, they're all like. Like devil worshipping. They're all satanists, all of these Ms. 13 people that actually worship the devil. And in Mexico, it's like, life is so cheap. They will kill you and they will not even think twice about it at.

[Phil]

All, whoever you are.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah. Life is so cheap.

[Phil]

It's sad.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah. We. We're over here and we kind of think we're worth a damn, but you go over to those places and you hear the stories and it's like, they will kill you just if you, if you're a potential witness to a potential witness. Yeah, you're gone.

[Phil]

It's really hard to fathom the freedom that we are blessed with in this country and opportunities were given, especially compared to someplace like Mexico, because it's difficult for. Even for me to comprehend that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. When I was doing that documentary about Pablo Escobar and his. His prison that he built, we were speaking to the dude who, who, like, you know, runs it, and they were saying that a few weeks ago, they found 11 more bodies underneath there. And what they would do is when they would get strippers there because Pablo Escobar was just partying there with all of his boys. They would get strippers there, 10, 20 strippers for a night. They would kill them all at the end of it. They would take them downstairs, they would kill them all. They would put their body in acid or bury their bodies underneath the thing, and it's like every single one of them dead.

[Phil]

And not think twice about it.

[Tim Pool]

Not think twice about it. Just laugh. Just so they could, they could have some titties for the night.

[Luke]

It's just insane.

[Phil]

Discount human life that much. It's just such a disgusting thing.

[Tim Pool]

If you, then they would tell, they would tell the people who, who had been suspected of anything. Basically you got to come up to the, to the prison and it's your time. And if they, if they refused, then they would kill their whole entire family. But so they had to go up there and know. And we entered this torture room which was like just the eeriest thing ever. And these people knew that they would be going up there, they'd be interrogated and tortured in the worst way possible and then they were going to be killed. Can you imagine that? Drive up to the prison, dude, I.

[Phil]

Used to watch like some of the most vile gory content on like Live Leak and a lot of the most up stuff. Mexican cartel members doing things I don't even want to describe. And that's where a lot of the gore and vibey stuff would you hear the Mexican accents and speaking Spanish well. And I don't know what else to say. It's disgusting and nerve wracking and scary because if American politicians, American journalists get involved with this, I'm scared they do hear what they do in Mexico and really rule by force. And what does a gang member care if he kills a journalist who's covering things they don't like seeing on the other side of the border and then just go scurry back onto Mexico? I, I don't know. It would make, it would make me scared to want to report on anything on the border if I knew that people on the border were getting murdered for it by cartel members that we can't do anything about.

[Tim Pool]

It's crazy to think what human beings are capable of. I know I keep on referencing it, but the video that we're releasing soon, which was the one where we went to Cambodia in prison and we interviewed the last running survivors of the genocide. Like the, the torture methods that they would use. Like they like, they would like be electrocuting their balls and then like twisting their freaking toenails off and then they'd be putting them in like metal chains and then like lashing them and just, just the worst kind of torture that you can imagine. They'd be putting hot, hot irons up their ass and just, just you can't imagine doing that to people. But the reason why they, they did that was because there was this sort of hierarchy of fear. You had these young guys down the bottom who were the enforcers of it. Who would actually enforce the punishments. But they knew that if they didn't do that, they'd be killed by the guy above. And he knew that if he didn't do it, he'd be killed by the guy above. All the way up to the top. And that's where these sort of communist fear hierarchies work. And it just. Down the bottom, it's just. Just the things that they do to prove themselves.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Tyler, did you want to add anything else before we jump to the next. The next caller?

[Tim Pool]

No, I want the next caller to get on.

[Ryan Reynolds]

That was a great conversation.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you, guys.

[Ryan Reynolds]

If I could just real quick ask.

[Tim Pool]

Everyone watching to please add to their YouTube watch later my interview with Joshua.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Matthew Black on my YouTube channel. Tyler today News.

[Tim Pool]

Joshua was shot by capitol police on January 6th, and I think he'd be.

[Ryan Reynolds]

A great future guest. Wow. All right, well, thanks for calling in.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you.

[Ryan Reynolds]

All right, and we'll. We'll try this one more time to get Mini Matt on the show. What is up, guys?

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Sorry about that. I was hitting the button and it wasn't working.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Oh, it happens.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Thank you so much for taking my call. Very longtime listener and watcher, first time caller.

[Luke]

Awesome.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

My question is for the whole panel. Given Joe Biden's pardons, how much of a fuss are we supposed to make over this? I am personally pretty disgusted by all the pardons that he has made. And what are we supposed to do? What's. What's the next move for the country in regards to this?

[Ryan Reynolds]

We bring his entire family before Congress to answer all questions. Now they have immunity and they can't plead the Fifth.

[Luke]

That's about all that you can do. I mean, it's a horrible, horrible thing to think. But honestly, it's done. Done. He's gotten away with it.

[Phil]

The strong and powerful and influential do what they can. And the weak, when people without any power influence suffer what they must.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, you got to kind of let sleeping dogs lie at this stage, and they've tarnished their reputation and sort of like stolen all the cash on the way out, proverbially.

[Phil]

But, yeah, the whole pardon game we talked about a little bit earlier on the show, I think is a dirty game. I think undermines the judicial system on both sides. We are all. All political sides have buddies and backs to be scratched.

[Tim Pool]

And then the power goes to the bureaucracy. It has to go somewhere.

[Phil]

Well, if the judicial system has integrity and you trust and believe in the judicial system, then that's what we have. It's definitely not A perfect system, but it's the best system that we've gotten to. But then the worst system is just having one guy who happens to get elected president ever being able to.

[Tim Pool]

But you can make the exact same argument for the President. It's like, well, the President. If the President is just. And if we trust in the President, he should be able to exact this executive. This.

[Phil]

I just think it undermines the whole system in a. In what are supposedly co equal branches. I'm not under any illusions that the branches are actually CO equals but under the Constitution that that's what it seems to be. And it just seems like a too powerful of a check from the President on the.

[Tim Pool]

Should he have executive power to go to like for example. Well, I mean he can't really go to war exactly, can he? But should he have executive executive power in general?

[Luke]

Sure.

[Phil]

Well, he's the commander in chief when it comes to the war stuff. I just think like the pardon stuff is a. I feel like it's also unique to our country.

[Tim Pool]

Minuscule though compared to some of the other executive orders that he. 150,000 people.

[Phil]

Sure. But I think it undermines the other branches in a different way. Congress is also supposed to sign off on going to war, but yeah, he's the commander in chief and that's one of sign up.

[Luke]

Congress is the only legitimate means for the United States to go to war. But anything else is police action or whatever.

[Phil]

The foreign policy branch, the executive. And he wears the hat of the commander in chief.

[Luke]

Yes.

[Phil]

I just feel like the part that's.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Why Congress declares war.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Ryan Reynolds]

As a check and balance.

[Phil]

Yeah. I just think the pardon power goes too far in both power. It's inevitable that both sides will abuse it.

[Luke]

I'm interested in your opinion on this. Do you think that the Congress voting to give George Bush the power to go to war in Iraq was legitimate?

[Ryan Reynolds]

It.

[Phil]

It's legitimate in the way our Constitution and laws are set up.

[Luke]

Why? Yeah, because there is. There is nothing in the Constitution that says that the Congress can abdicate the responsibility of declaring war and give that power to the President.

[Phil]

Is that what they did or did.

[Luke]

That exactly what they said? They said we are going to vote to give the. Give the power, give the responsibility. They're basically saying we don't want to touch this. We don't want to be held responsible, so we're going to let the President make the decision. There is nothing in the Constitution that says that Congress can give that authority to the President or that they can absolve themselves of that responsibility by giving the authority to the President.

[Phil]

I don't think it absolves them of responsibility. I think it's them signing on to the President's decision to go to war. That's how I see it.

[Luke]

I think that, I think kind of a cosign.

[Phil]

And it's a, it's a blank slate to the President.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Yeah.

[Luke]

I think that.

[Phil]

Do whatever he sees fit it as the Commander in Chief.

[Luke]

I think it was, I think it was totally unconstitutional. And that's 20 years of. And the reason is 20 years of war since. Because there's still author operations that go on under the blanket authorization to use military force.

[Phil]

Sure.

[Luke]

So you know that the, the, the evidence that it was a bad idea is we're still doing this 20 years later. So.

[Phil]

Sure. And that was Congress's decision. And I think they're, they're co signing the President's ability. Nonetheless, the pardon seems like a dirty trick for the, for any party or anybody who's eventually going to come into power. So.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Well, for all future presidents out there. Just don't pardon a lot for anything. Just.

[Phil]

Well, I would never break the law. Duh.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Show me the man. I'll show you the crime. Prosecute him unjustly and then don't pardon him.

[Phil]

Prosecute me on doing contract work in a state where it's kind of. I'm kidding. Attorney General of.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Yeah. Like the gist of all of that is the thing that makes West Virginia unique relative to the other states is the requirement that they operate as a business. And then it says in the law that they could also be contractually obligated to file taxes. Which makes no sense because it puts the liability on the business, not the individual who doesn't pay taxes. But of course it's about enforcement. And the enforcement they're taking is they're telling us that you can't do that. They're telling us outright we have to have anybody who contracts has to be a business.

[Phil]

Ah, I'm not Hunter Biden. I pay my taxes.

[Ryan Reynolds]

That's fucking wild. And a lot of the other states have done the exact same thing as of recent. They've basically said like, nah, you're not allowed to work.

[Phil]

You have to.

[Ryan Reynolds]

You have to be under employment law. It's so fucked. They're just the shit that's going on that people just don't largely don't get. My grandpa told me that when he was a kid and they started, they started issing out Social Security numbers. Everybody was pissed. They were like you. I'M not gonna register a number with the government. Go yourself. He's like, then you're born and you've always had one and you think it's normal. It's wild. Yeah, we're gonna be, we're gonna be 67 years old and we're gonna be like, what do you mean you're trying to get a job? You're not allowed to work.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Reynolds]

You, you, you. Aren't you happy owning nothing? And that'll. And the kids, like, we're gonna be old being like, you should have a right to own a car. And then the kid's gonna be like, you don't own a car, you just use the app. And we're gonna be like, we used to own our own cars.

[Tim Pool]

It's like, no, it's death by a thousand regulations. There's a book called, I think it's like Barbarians to Bureaucrats. I think it's a book about that and it basically talks about the life cycle of the business, going from the visionary to the builder, the person who sort of implements it to. Eventually you get to the stage where you have the like. Then the person who sort of takes it out to new pastures, the explorer. And then you get the bureaucrats that come in, those sort of like useless people who don't necessarily do anything. And then it goes back to the barbarian stage because the barbarians will come to the gates with the bureaucrat when the bureaucracy becomes thick enough. America is definitely there at the moment.

[Ryan Reynolds]

It's kind of like the fourth turning.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then you're going to have the barbarian, the barbarians at the gates who are like the libertarians who are coming in, who are like, hey, this is, this is bullshit. But yeah, you might, you might get to that stage.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Good sir. Mini man, did you want to add anything else?

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

I want to ask you now Can I tell a very short story about my experiences with the law and regarding the Second Amendment?

[Ryan Reynolds]

Oh, indeed.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

So I'm a 25 year old truck driver. I was going through the state of New Jersey right next to Philadelphia, and the state knocked on my door in the middle of the night, woke me up, asked me if I was a gun owner. I told them yes, show them my CCW from Florida, showed them my gun and I was promptly arrested for possession of a firearm despite actively following their travel laws through the state of New Jersey.

[Luke]

What? What, what do you mean? What do you, what do you mean following the travel laws?

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Legally transport through Jersey, you have to start and finish in a place where your gun is legal. Has to be in a lockbox, magazine, separate, etc. And because my actual load started in North Carolina and finished in Pennsylvania, I was completely legal to transport through the state of New Jersey. Even regardless of that fact, they just knocked on my door and woke me up and asked me if I owned a gun and arrested me.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Your first mistake was talking to the cops? Yep.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Hindsight's 20 20.

[Luke]

Yeah. So anyways, go on with your story. Sorry.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Back to Blue baby.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

That's. I mean, that's as the shortest version of the story I can make. I mean, I was falsely accused by a homeless lady. She's the one that called the police and said he pointed a gun at me simply for telling her, no, I don't have any money to give you. It's.

[Ryan Reynolds]

So did you beat the charges or what? I'm sorry, did you beat the charges?

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

It's currently pending. I am waiting for the court to. I'm waiting for the state to schedule my court date to enter the diversion program so that at the end of this my charges can be completely dropped because there's just no point in fighting it. I can't fight it. I can't. It's already ruined my life enough.

[Ryan Reynolds]

I got a ticket in D.C. the other day. We had paid for parking until 5 and a guy at 4 o'clock gives a ticket these dude. And it's just like, why would you do that? Because they don't give a. Because don't give a.

[Tim Pool]

To be a. To be someone who does that for a work, you've got to love that, you know, you gotta have like a chip on your shoulder. What the.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Am I gonna do? Am I gonna schedule a Hearing to challenge a 50 ticket?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ryan Reynolds]

They know that the average person can't do it.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Every step of the way. I could tell that the police didn't want to arrest me. The detective didn't want anything to come of this. The prosecutor only did it to protect his own job. It was supposed to be a summons arrest, where they'd arrest me. They were going to take me back to the truck, go get fingerprinted, etc. They were going to take me back to the truck.

[Tim Pool]

What's.

[Ryan Reynolds]

The arresting officer's decided to make it.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

A warrant where I have to go to county and the prosecutor called the judge and argued with him about this.

[Ryan Reynolds]

What's the resting officer's name?

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

I don't remember his name. And to be honest, there was 10 officers there.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Well, that's. That's the other thing we got to do. I will, I will Say this tomorrow, first thing on the show. I will. I will say the officer's name and say, shame on you and shame on your family and anybody else who supports you in this. And that's what we have to do. We have to make it to. These cops are like, fuck, no, I'm not getting involved in that. They're gonna fucking blast my name on the Internet and I'll ruin my life. These people should not be. That's how it used to be. If you streaked through town center when we had villages of a hundred people, they'd be like, get the fuck out of here, you weirdo. If you were. If you were going around smacking people around, they'd be like, we won't give you food now. You get cops being like, well, I'll arrest them. I don't want to, but nothing bad will happen to me. Well, let's change that. Let's make sure to the extent that it's legal, people will know the names of these officers and they will have to make a fucking choice. Do I want to ruin my life over this ridiculous Draconian law? They're going to say no right now. There's no consequences for them being evil pieces of shit.

[Luke]

Yep, back to blue.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Yeah, I understand your side of that argument. I do see both sides of it, though. They're just doing their job versus doing the right thing.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Then plead guilty. Plead guilty. Plead guilty. They did their job. You're guilty. You broke the fucking law. Plead guilty and go to prison. Because if you think it's okay what they did, then you should get on your knees and say, I am guilty. I did it.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

I don't think it's okay, but I can't do it. I got a life I want to live.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Well, that's too bad. The cops did their job. And if they did their job and they were right to do so, then you should go to prison. Did you fought? Were you abiding by the law? Legally, did you break the law?

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

I did not.

[Ryan Reynolds]

So those cops illegally and maliciously arrested you.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

That would be the fight, that would be the argument. But I don't think it's. I don't think they would see it in their court.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Sure. But I'm asking you to decide. Did they do the right thing and stopping you, a criminal, from breaking the law, or did they violate your rights?

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

They violated my rights.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Okay, then those cops are cunt pieces of shit who should be in jail.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Understood.

[Phil]

And obviously, it's hard to fight this stuff, and sometimes it's easier to. You Know, follow the path that they try to take you down. The more you fight back, the obviously the, the more aggressive they'll come after you and, and then the legal e. That's it. Yeah, I'm.

[Ryan Reynolds]

I'm not, I'm not saying don't live your life and don't do what you have to do. I'm saying in, in a hypothetical context, I know you don't go. You don't have the guys names and I'm not putting it on you. You do what you got to do to fight for your freedom and beat this. And we're rooting for you. But in the future for everybody, when these cunt New Jersey officers and we know they do this, they do it all the time. Get their names and let's make them go viral. And then when he goes to Christmas, his family says, get the fuck out of here, you piece of shit. You can't come in our house. Because cops are conservative. My neighborhood turned red for Trump because largely cops and firefighters. If any one of the guys in my neighborhood were caught arresting some dude and violating his rights. We better get the fuck out of here, dude. You fucking scumbag. You're not welcome here anymore. Fuck off. Make these people fear what their friends are going to say to their faces when they find out that they're pieces of shit.

[Tim Pool]

I'd like to see the word cunt making an appearance in America.

[Ryan Reynolds]

It's considered to be one of the most offensive things you can call a person.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, in Australia we say it as a compliment. We'll say you're a sick cunt if you say you're a sick cunt or you're a good cunt. He's a good cunt, you know.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Anyway, I wish you the best. Good luck on this case, my friend.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Yeah, thank you. I wish I could tell you the full story and I'm actually actively trying to tell Thomas Massey the story because I know it's going to make his blood boil. Love that guy.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Yep. Right on, man. Would you want to shout anything out?

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Just anybody watching? If you are a car person or want to get into trucking, add me on Instagram @minimat 21. Super big in the car scene and know a lot about trucking. Can give you the information, get you in the right direction.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Right on. Well, thanks for calling in, buddy.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

Thank you for having me.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Have a good one.

[Elias Coop Gonzalez]

You too. Bye.

[Ryan Reynolds]

We got A comment from Dr. Endel, hype engineer says the I will tweet and ruin a cop's life, but not to influence a state to change a bad law. Let's break this down. The cop committed a crime and is violating the rights of an individual. And that makes him a criminal. Yes. We should stop the criminals. The other scenario is there is a law that was passed and I, using my gravitas, should force or pressure the government to give me special treatment over the average person. Yeah, I won't do that. I don't think those things are contradictory in any way. So I'm not gonna ask the governor to cut me slack and give me special deals. And if a cop violates the rights of a truck driver, I'm gonna call him out. That's how we do it. All right, everybody. Jake, thanks for hanging out. It's been fun.

[Tim Pool]

Been a pleasure. Thank you so much.

[Ryan Reynolds]

And for everybody else, we're back tomorrow morning. We've got Elijah Schaefer and Brad Palumbo because we're going to be having the debate over gref go up versus we love America. Because the lolibertarians are like, why are you even mad about illegal immigration? The economy's better. And I'm like, because these people don't like Christmas and apple pie, and I do. And now we're losing Christmas in apple pie. It's that simple. But then I will not be back tomorrow night because I'm getting my face ripped open and bone jammed into my jaw. And it'll be fun, but Phil will be here and other people will be. I guess. Thanks for hanging out. Everybody will see you all. We'll see y'all tomorrow morning on the culture war.