John Reed (5:16)

Hey, I'm glad to be with you tonight.

Tim Pool (5:17)

Who are, who are you? What do you do?

John Reed (5:19)

I am from Virginia. I'm the Republican candidate for lieutenant governor this year. And it's been a hell of a ride the last several months. Voting starts tomorrow in Virginia. It's 45 days of voting all the way to November 4th. And this is the sequel to the Republican sweep four years ago that brought in Glenn Youngkin and win some Sears and Jason Meares. And Glenn cannot run again. You know, you can only serve one term as governor of Virginia. So now we've got a new lineup. Winsome Sears is running for governor against the former congresswoman Abigail Spamberger, the Democrat. I'm running against a lady named Gazala Hashmi who is current senator in Virginia. And the Jason Mears is try to get reelected as attorney general against a guy who's 36 years old, has never prosecuted a case named Jay Jones. Pretty, pretty, pretty left wing guy. So it's it, it should be very clear between the two sets of candidates and maybe it will be. We'll see. You know how Virginians approach this.

Tim Pool (6:20)

I think we're winning, I mean across the board in, in every facet. So I think you, you probably can do well. But let's not, let's knock on wood and we'll see how it goes. We'll have a conversation about it. Thanks for joining us.

John Reed (6:30)

Thank you.

Tim Pool (6:30)

Elad's hanging out.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (6:32)

Good evening everybody. I am a lot. Eliyahu The White House correspondent here at Tim cast. Mr. E. Thanks for joining us especially ahead of early voting. Hopefully we can get into your race a little bit sometime on the show. Mary, it's good to see you as well.

Mary Morgan (6:44)

Hi everyone. My name is Mary Morgan and you can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at Tim Cast. Glad to be back.

Phil Labonte (6:53)

Hello everybody. My name is Phil Abonti. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

Tim Pool (6:59)

Here's the story from Mediaite. Kimmel was reportedly about to give controversial monologue when he was suspended, quote he has to take down the temperature. So there's been a couple different additions to this story. Yesterday in the middle of the show, we learned that he was not planning on apologizing. Take a look at this. When asked by the Hollywood Reporter, the source said Kimmel was not planning on apologizing. He felt that what he said did not require an apology. Media reports According to cnn, which spoke to an unnamed source familiar with the situation, Kimmel was preparing to deliver a monologue on Wednesday even evening addressing the backlash he had received for another monologue that week about the murder of Charlie Kirk. The Wednesday monologue was described by CNN source as very hot and would have reportedly targeted President Trump's MAGA base. Quote, if Jimmy went on the air, there would have been no way back from that monologue for Jimmy. We didn't want that. Everyone deeply values him and wants him to come back, but he has to take down the temperature. After publishing the sources quote Thursday at CNN stealth edited its article removing the first half. This is crazy, right? Everyone deeply values him and wants him to come back, but he has to take down the temperature. The decision to suspend Kimmel's show was reportedly made by Disney CEO Bob Iger and Disney's co chair Dana Walden in hopes of protecting Kimmel and the Disney brand from accelerating the controversy. The author of the article, CNN entertainment correspondent Elizabeth Wagmeister previously suggested on Wednesday that it was unlikely Jimmy Kimmel Live would return to television anytime soon. So now we have a very clear picture. Jimmy Kimmel is not sorry. He does not want to apologize. In fact, he wanted to go further with it and they described it as very hot. And let's just say it, the executives and at Disney were scared he was going to inflame tensions. And you know what, I think I said this yesterday, that these executives, the reason why they're basically shutting down these employees that are praising the Death of Charlie Kirk calling for more or fanning the flames is they're probably thinking they're next. Nobody wants to be in the crosshairs. And if you're a media executive at a time when you've got two sides blaming the media, their edit is probably sit down and shut up. Jimmy Kimmel said, nah, nah, I'm gonna double down. And so this is crazy cuz the initial reporting was that they were behind him and they said, you know what, you don't gotta say anything. Jimmy, your monologue was fine. And then apparently he said, nah, I'm make it even worse. So they pulled him for his own good. This is the rage cult. This is the death cult. They are more angry about Jimmy Kimmel losing his show despite the fact Roseanne, Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson also got pulled off the air. They're more concerned about that than the assassination of a young man in front of his wife and children. This is where we are as a country. Now. He issued a statement and I'll give him some credit for it. He said, instead of the angry finger pointing, can we just for one day agree that it is horrible and monstrous to shoot another human? I'm going to pause right there and say, thank you, Jimmy. That's correct. That is absolutely horrible. And then he goes on to say, on behalf of my family, we send love to the Kirks and to all the children, parents, and in a sense who fall victim to senseless gun violence. The back half is where he deflects from the actual issue at hand. His inflaming of political tensions, the overt political killing of a young man in front of his family in broad daylight and cold blood to make it about gun control, which wasn't the issue. This man has no remorse and no shame. And what is worrying to me is no, none of these other liberals do as well.

Phil Labonte (10:35)

If they, if, if the report is true and then he did have a more inflammatory monologue planned, maybe it was actually the responsible thing to do to take him off the air. I mean, look, as far as like principles go, he shouldn't have been, but he should have been taken off the air. But again, let me finish. But the point, but the fact that the left has been doing this to the right for a decade, I think that kind of puts us, puts us in a position where that kind of, that kind of principled stance has, has proven to be useless nowadays.

Mary Morgan (11:17)

I'm still not clear on what principles you're.

Phil Labonte (11:18)

Principle of free speech. So like if you're, I don't think.

Mary Morgan (11:21)

This has violated a principle of of free speech at all. 1 well, because in order to have freedom of speech, you do have to have ground rules and he's not following them in order to have ground rules.

Phil Labonte (11:32)

What do you mean?

Mary Morgan (11:33)

In order to have a free marketplace of ideas, there need to be basic ground rules. And the people engaging in dialogue with each other at least have to have certain basic foundations in common. And one of them is being on the same page about the morality of an action like senseless cold blooded murder. If we don't have that, then we need to set about let's map out.

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Mary Morgan (13:23)

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Tim Pool (13:28)

I, I I I agree. Not entirely, but enough. And what I would say to this is the reason why I don't care about Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy Kimmel Kimmel getting fired is largely for what you were describing in that we do not have a shared moral worldview. Jimmy Kimmel is a willful liar for the purpose of creating problems, fear, pain and suff day. Try to shine a light on what's going on. My attitude is the people should have the knowledge to the best of our abilities to convey so they can make the decisions for themselves. I want nothing more than to leave you alone, mind my own business, but hope that you with correct information will do good, will do well, if I want Kimmel is the inverse where he says, I'm going to lie to you, so you do what I want and that leads to death.

John Reed (14:14)

If I were a Disney executive, I would say, what am I paying you for? It's a comedy show. Where's the comedy here? This is not funny. You're not a talk show host. I mean, maybe they're different parameters. If you're doing a hardcore free for all talk show, this is an evening comedy show that presumably adults watch right before they fall asleep at night. And I think that's been part of the problem. That's why these shows are losing their audience. They're hyper political. They're not funny. They're funny in a mean way because they go after conservatives. And the leftists think that's so great to watch people slap conservatives verbally. And that's, that's the appeal of the show. It's one reason I don't watch that stuff anymore. And I used to.

Phil Labonte (14:56)

Mary, to your point, like, I think that's what I was getting to at like the second half of my comment, right? If you're going to talk about a principled stand, if you're going to say, well, I have the principle of free speech and I think that you should be able to say whatever you want just so long as it's not specifically inciting. That's the principled stance. But the follow up to that which I was saying was basically in line with what you're saying. Like, we're in a situation where the ground rules aren't the same for everybody. And the left has been doing this and you look at the way the left has been reacting, they're saying, oh, all these people, how come, you know, how come you're, you were so pro free speech before, but now you're not? It's like the left wanted it this way.

Tim Pool (15:33)

Real quick, just, there's an alert that went about 40 minutes ago, right before he started the show. Unconfirmed reports of a gunman on UNC Wilmington campus. They're advising everyone to shelter in place. So if you haven't heard that, please look into it. Hope everybody is okay. And based on the video, I've seen. I don't know how credible. Credible the reports is. There's a video of a man walking, carrying some kind of long gun, but I don't know about how. What this is. This is North Carolina. Just because someone's seen with a weapon doesn't mean anything happened yet. But please look into it, and we'll take that seriously. And anyway, back to the point about free speech. Just want to make sure that, you know, people are safe.

Phil Labonte (16:13)

But, yeah, I mean, I just don't think that. I don't think that this even is. Again, I don't think that free speech is the issue at hand. People will try and make it about free speech, but it really is about the inflammatory nature of the way that the left has been talking, talking about the right. And the results of that have been murder.

Tim Pool (16:35)

Now I just. I just don't really care at all anymore. We believe in freedom of movement. We believe that individuals can move between states and cities, and then violence breaks out and the police set up barrier saying nobody can cross. And we have no problem with that. Right?

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (16:51)

If.

Tim Pool (16:51)

If there's a. If there's a riot or shootings taking place and the police block the street with their car and they say, you can't go through here. We don't go, hey, man, you're violating my right to. We go. Extenuating circumstances. There are circumstances where we recognize rights will be infringed upon, I suppose is one way to describe it, but I don't know what else you do. And so my view is largely when they are killing people, when the death threats have reached an extreme degree, when we are in a political environment where Charlie Kirk was assassinated and they celebrated it, there comes a point where you say, we have to be a little bit more serious about how we enforce the law than to just take the light approach. And the best example I can give is, whereas five years ago, if someone tweeted something like, oh, won't someone rid me of this Ala di Elihu, we would all say, okay, we get the point today. If someone tweeted, oh, won't someone get rid of this Alat Aliyah, I'd say that's a death threat and they should be charged for it. And the reason why is. I'll elaborate as well. I believe the context of the person's character and social feeds matter for this. So there was a video I recorded earlier on the Tim Pool Channel. Check out Tim Pool show at Tim Pool and subscribe. Michael Knowles was talking about why we should prosecute destiny and Hasan Piker literal criminal prosecution for the statements they've made. I don't know about destiny. Destiny said, if you want. If you wanted Charlie Kirk to be alive, Trump should not have president. Have been president second term. And he also said that conservatives should be made to fear. Should have to fear death or something. That effect which can only be done when conservatives are being killed. However, Hassan sent a photo. This is my understanding from Michael Knows his video. A photo of a makeshift weapon that was used to assassinate a political leader to a politician. Now, again, that's. That's my understanding from the video. If that wasn't the case, whatever I'm using to illustrate a point. If someone has a history of saying things like let the streets run red with their blood. Kill them like Hasan has, and then in the event, he sends a photo of a makeshift weapon that was used in an assassination, the intent is clear. However, if there is a mechanic who. Mythbusters, right? If one of the Mythbusters guys sent a picture of this weapon to somebody, we'd be like, what's he trying to say by that? I don't think the Mythbusters guy is threatening me with death. And he does, in context, talk about makeshift devices and things like that. So the context there is different. In the past, we have seen what I refer to as the Tweedledee Tweedledum death threat, where one person would say, you know, we really should be rid of these priests. And then someone would point a lot and say, that's the priest. You know what they're doing. Each individual statement is not a death threat. Together it is, but you can't prosecute either of them. I say, now we should. The half statement counts. If you are standing next to somebody and you say, go kill Nazis, and the person says, they're the Nazi, you're both under arrest because you both issued a death threat. And I'm done playing these stupid games. So when people are like the free speech of Jimmy Kimmel, no, I'm not playing this game anymore. He. First of all, nobody watches his show anyway. His ratings were collapsing. But to go on TV and lie. And this is. This is evil. We are fighting people who are trying to get us killed. There are people who are posting lists online. And I've said this for the past several nights, the past week, because it's happening. We're submitting this to the FBI where they're saying, kill these people next. They're saying. Or it's more vague than that. They're saying, hey, you should do this next. And it's A list of people's names like mine, Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, whatever. So when Jimmy Kimmel goes on his show, while Democrats are all celebrating this death, saying there should be more justifying it, and then he goes, the guy was a MAGA guy anyway. Now you've got a problem of a critical mass of people who are going to start more murders, more riots. And I have zero sympathy for Jimmy Kimmel. I literally don't care. I literally don't. And on top of that, while I do agree with the idea of free speech, if you want to make jokes, I'm drawing the line at what Jimmy Kimmel did for, for mocking Trump. That's fine. He wants to make fun of Trump. He can be a dick. Lying about the intent of a mass shooter to inflame an audience and potentially lead this country to serious conflict and crisis is nuts. And I'll just say this, there is a fine line. What would happen, let me ask you guys, if Jimmy Kimmel went on his show and said, I think everybody should use violence to defy Donald Trump. What do you think would happen if he did that? He'd be taken off there in two seconds. He'd probably be criminal charged with sedition or something. He is doing 1% of that. It's admittedly very, very small. But I do not believe for a second that he did not know about the motive of the shooter. I don't believe that for a second. Which means any reasonable conclusion is that Jimmy Kimmel intentionally lied, fanning the flames and for what reason? Hatred, political.

Mary Morgan (21:58)

What he spread was a blood libel against Trump supporters, Republicans, conservatives, whatever you want to. Intentional group of people. It's an intentional lie. There's no way in his heart of hearts he actually thought Tyler Robinson, yeah, he's a Trump supporter. Obviously that's not the case. And I do think that it was a blood libel against Republicans or conservatives. Ostensibly encouraging people not in his face to face audience, but the larger audience that watches him to take action against these dangerous people in our society.

Tim Pool (22:32)

Yeah, and, and, and there was Charlie.

Mary Morgan (22:35)

Kirk is one of them.

Tim Pool (22:35)

There's no reason for him not to have come on the show and says, I, I really don't get this. He could have gone on the show and said, so it turns out that this shooter may have actually had left leaning values. Now of course we all reject that, don't we? And they'd all clap and cheer. He could have done that. They'd have cheered for him and he would have said, we're not going to be blamed for the actions of a madman. But we will denounce this because we're good. He could have done that. He didn't. He said it was one of their own who did it. And where the hammer comes down is when he said, according to this report from cnn, he was going to double down. So when they went to him and said, hey guy behind the scenes, it wasn't a MAGA guy, he said, I don't care. He said, I'm gonna double down. Now that is intent. He was trying to make things dangerous and worse in this country. There's a point at which you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. We say people, many people wrongly state you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. You literally can think it's Brandenburg v. Ohio. You can. Nothing's stopping you from doing it. However, there's a circumstance where you can't yell fire. And what would that be? Let's just say there's 10 guys with rifles aimed at an innocent person and you yell fire. It's a ridiculous analogy. But my point is clear. When the speech you normally say in and of itself has no bear. Imagine if you were standing in an empty field and a guy walks by and you yell fire. The guy would go, huh. Now imagine if you're standing with a bunch of men with guns and you'll fire. The context is very, very different. If Jimmy Kimmel's intent in context is to ignite a throw a spark on a, on a pile of tinder, then I think we say enough and, and we don't let him do it.

Mary Morgan (24:21)

I think they were looking for an excuse to get rid of him anyway. As you pointed out, his ratings are lower than Stephen Colbert's even were before he got pulled. So let's pull away. It was inevitable.

Tim Pool (24:33)

Let's pull it up. We got this report from sky.com Kimmel fired for lack of Talent Trump says as Obama decries Government coercion Kimmel used his show and money to criticize Donald Trump for his response to the assassination of Kirk, among other things. Now Trump's not wrong. The New York Post says Jimmy Kimmel's ratings were plummeting before ABC suspended him for Charlie Kirk. Comments they say Nielsen data showed sharp summer declines and a year long slide that leaves him trailing late night rivals such as Fox News, Greg Gutfeld and Colbert. According to monthly Nielsen figures, Jimmy Kimmel Live dropped to just 1.1 million total viewers in August, down 43% from January's 1.9 million. His August household rating 0.35 marked the weakest showing of the year. The advertiser. Get this, get this. The advertiser coveted 18 to 49 demo also cratered. Kimmel averaged only 129,000 viewers in that bracket in August. Holy crap. All from 212,000. Let me take this time to brag that while I was sick most of August and unable to work, the show, hosted by Phil Labonte and with some special guests towards the end of the month was still averaging around 500,000 in the key demo. And don't get me wrong, where network television used to be, that's small. That's very small. Jimmy Kimmel at 129,000 viewers. Yo, I think I got a video of a cat on my Instagram. It does better than that. That's not a joke. I literally. It's a video of a cat and it's looking like this.

Phil Labonte (26:15)

Kim, the joke.

Tim Pool (26:16)

And it says, it says when it's already. When it's Tuesday, but you've already given it your all. And the cat's like just super tired. And it plays that song from Enya, you know, who can say? And it's got like 500,000 views. So I can post a cat meme and have a bigger show than Jimmy Kimmel. That's why he got booted.

John Reed (26:34)

That's probably right. It's a lousy show. He's. He's aging out of the key demo anyway. I mean, I think if you look, his audience has moved on. The new audience isn't interested in him. And I mean, you go back to Letterman, Letterman was hilarious. And then Letterman got mean and nasty and became hyper political, which nobody really needs to see on, on this type of program. And I, I think it's one of the reasons that people are abandoning network TV in general.

Tim Pool (27:04)

It's kind of crazy.

Mary Morgan (27:06)

He loves crying on the show, doesn't he? He's really the worst when it comes to the emotional out.

John Reed (27:12)

This is the one gun incident that he hadn't cried.

Mary Morgan (27:15)

He is psychologically unstable, needs help. That much cannot be denied. He has cried on camera way too many times. I think he like gets a thrill out of like forcing people to witness his vulnerability. So that's like the first reason why he in my opinion is the worst of the late night hosts.

John Reed (27:37)

But also if a big liberal had been shot, but also because of who.

Mary Morgan (27:40)

He used to be. And I'm not shaming or saying that he should have remorse or regrets over the man show, but it's really disturbing that Jimmy Kimmel then can be the same man as Jimmy Kimmel now that doesn't make sense to me. It's not supposed to.

John Reed (27:56)

No consequence.

Mary Morgan (27:57)

He wants us to just forget. Yeah, about who he was.

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Mary Morgan (29:26)

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John Reed (29:29)

When other people are not allowed to turn the page in their lives. They get completely canceled. No new opportunity to reinvent themselves.

Mary Morgan (29:36)

That's what would have been a cancellation. If someone went and clip farmed from the man show, posted a thread on X and everyone's up in arms about how he was such a chauvinist and then people are calling for his show. People did it right. That would be cancel culture.

John Reed (29:52)

People have done it but it doesn't impact the left.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (29:54)

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Mary Morgan (29:58)

Don't make us pull up the photos.

John Reed (30:00)

Neither of us want that because he's on the left.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (30:02)

I think the the crying on camera too is a virtue signal to awfuls because they love that. If you want to get like rich, affluent, white, liberal women. They love it when you cry for them. I think that's what, that's a virtue signal.

Mary Morgan (30:13)

Feel like a sadism thing.

Tim Pool (30:14)

Like they like, they like making men cry.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (30:17)

They like derive pleasure from trying to make weak men cry. I think Bob Iger here is not letting a good crisis, a good crisis, a good crisis go to waste. So while it's convenient he's getting rid of Kimmel, the medium is dying. Late night shows are dying.

Mary Morgan (30:30)

But I don't think he was doing.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (30:32)

Very well before that. Regardless.

Mary Morgan (30:33)

But they're going to just give him an on ramp to come back. They're already hinting at it now that they want it to be possible to bring back the Jimmy Kim alive.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (30:42)

He's going to go to lemon route very soon.

Tim Pool (30:44)

The Wall Street Journal has this story. Basically it was advertisers. It wasn't just Nextar and Sinclair. Advertisers had called who had already purchased slots. And let me tell you guys, last week when the tragic news broke, and you know, we were all kind of suffering through this. Not like we had it worse compared to the family or those who actually were there and had to deal with it. Don't get me wrong, I was asked, hey, are we going to do ad reads? And I was like, no way. And it's like, listen, tonight we have very, very awful news to report about someone we knew and the nightmarish, the nightmare that is emerging in this country. So from that day, the rest of the week, we did not do ad reads on irl. But there's another reason and it's important to say. I know maybe a lot of people don't want to talk about it, but what brand wants to be the brand sponsorship of the death of a beloved personality. So it was like when CNN ran that commercial from Chili's or whatever. You guys remember this?

Phil Labonte (31:47)

Yes.

Tim Pool (31:48)

It was like air raid sirens going off in Ukraine and bombs were like about to drop. And then all of a sudden it does a side by side where a guy's shaking his butt and singing about drinking beers or something. And everyone was like, this is the worst thing you could have ever done. Imagine being an advertiser who already bought ad space on Jimmy Kimmel's show. You hear him say this and you're going, get my ad off that show. So they all call ABC and say, do not run my ad on that man's show right now. I don't want to deal with the boycott. This is the lesson. This is the Bud Light Effect.

John Reed (32:18)

But if ABC was smart, they would have told him, hey, don't even talk about it. You know, give people a distraction from this horrible news. Run the show. Be funny.

Tim Pool (32:28)

They were amusing. They were smart. Jimmy Kimmel said, no.

John Reed (32:31)

Yeah, that's right.

Tim Pool (32:32)

He was going to double down.

John Reed (32:33)

That's right.

Tim Pool (32:34)

He said he was. The reporting is that he was going to attack Trump supporters again. And they were probably just like, okay, this man is unhinged. It sounds like, you know, I'm going to give you my personal opinion. I don't think the executives went, jimmy, we don't think anything wrong, so we think you should go on with your show. And then Jimmy goes, then I'm gonna double down. Well, hold on there, Jimmy. We don't think that's a good idea. For your own good, we're gonna stop your show. There's no way. In the span of a couple hours, they politely and calmly said, your show won't be aired. Sorry, Jimmy, I really doubt it. I think they probably said, do not do it. And he said, I'm gonna do it. And they said, don't do it. He goes, I'm gonna do it anyway. And they said, jimmy, I swear to God, if you go out there and that's your intent, you will not do this show. And he said, I will not have you stop me. I'm willing to bet it was much more contentious. And, Jimmy, listen, it's actually quite simple. The reporting says that they wanted to bring the temperature down. If Jimmy Kimmel came out with an apology, everything would have been fine. Jimmy Kimmel was going to double down and was refusing to apologize. That sounds to me like he argued with the executive, saying, I refuse to apologize. So they said, then no more show for you.

John Reed (33:40)

He probably didn't even have to apologize. He probably just had to do a comedy show without a lot of slamming Trump supporters. Seriously, that's all you have to do. I mean, do we have to infuse everything with politics? I do politics. I did a talk show for eight years. It was all politics. People would call and say, why are you obsessed with politics? I'm like, it's a political talk show. I'm not doing a comedy show. If I'm doing a comedy show, then.

Tim Pool (34:03)

I've got a lot of other stuff.

John Reed (34:04)

I can go work from if I don't get it.

Tim Pool (34:07)

If Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, or whoever, these set Meyers, if their comedy shows were actually just cultural comedy, you know who's really good at it? Ryan Long. Ryan Long's great at it. He'd have a million in the view, in the ratings, he'd have 1 million in the key demo. You know how I know? You want to know how I know guys? Because Kill Tony does. Because Kill Tony every Monday night does his stream. He gets like 1 or 2 million viewers and it's largely key demographic now. They talk about politics quite a bit. But to be fair, it's a stand up show. It's not and over a talk show. But I am telling you, if you had Tony Hinchcliffe hosting one of these late night shows and he was willing to dish it in any direction, you'd have a million. I'd be watching it evenly. I wouldn't say evenly. I would say fairly.

Phil Labonte (34:53)

Yeah, it doesn't even have to be evenly. Like if they have a preference to have jokes about conservatives, but they weren't always malicious about it and they had some jokes about Democrats or progressives or whatever. I think that you'd see a lot less vitriol. But it was significantly fewer amount of people that were so that are so upset about Jimmy Kimwell and the way that he behaves. But it was always in one direction and it was always malicious. There was, it wasn't meant to be in fun. There was no all. We're all laughing here. It was intended to be insults directed at one group of people all the time.

Tim Pool (35:29)

Right, can we just make things a little bit interesting? Well, we'll get that in a little bit, in a quick second. Sorry. Let me, let me read a little bit more from this article. They say that Jimmy Kimmel's salary was reportedly 15 million to $16 million a year. With some outlets noting the bonuses can push his annual earnings above 20 million. How, where's that money coming from? Now? Let me just say I run a business here at Tim Hest. I, I know all of our numbers, where the money comes from, where the money goes. And based on the viewership that we get, which is much, much larger. We do all right. We do all right. But there's ain't no way anybody who works here is gonna be getting $20 million a year. So I got questions, I got questions. To be fair, a million in the ratings per night depending on who you're selling to. Boomer's got a lot of money. Most of those viewers are boomers. And his key demo ratings are no good. The scary reality here, I guess is that the key demo ain't a key demo no more. 18 to 49 year olds ain't got any money. So if you want to sell A product. And you want to see that actually land. You really do want to be targeting 60 year olds because boomers are the only one with any real capital.

Mary Morgan (36:36)

Well, so as you've pointed out, there are less of the 18 to 29 year olds in general.

Tim Pool (36:44)

Exactly.

Mary Morgan (36:45)

The boomers. There are just less of them to go around. And his salaries, not even to mention the salaries of all these people working on his show, which is probably, it might be around 100 people total. I don't know, maybe hundreds. If we get, if we get to the, the administrative bloat territory, it's probably hundreds of people whose livelihoods depend on this show. And Jimmy Kimmel just covered that in gasoline and through the match.

Tim Pool (37:11)

I want to jump to the story from the Daily Beast and start by saying Jimmy Fallon cancels appearance after Kimmel's show gets caught. We won. Congratulations. Winning now does not mean winning forever. You may, you may invade and conquer great lands and one day those lands may be conquered back. But when Jimmy Fallon cancels an appearance after Kimmel's show gets cut, that means. I'm going to give you my, my opinion on this one. It's all opinion because we don't actually know what happened. He was supposed to do some event and he canceled it. It sounds like ABC had an emergency meeting. It sounds like these networks had an emergency meeting and said, all hands on deck. We got to discuss what you are doing on your shows. And I think what we're likely going to start seeing is these late night shows. Drop the political games. We got this from NBC News, FCC chair cnbc, sorry. FCC chair Carr says, we are not done yet. After Jimmy Kimmel suspension, I bet all these networks just said, we cannot go to war with the government, so shut your mouths. And I say, okay, I know the left is going to be like, but free speech. It's a chilling when the government is doing. The FCC has always existed, has always regulated what network television can do with their access to the airwaves. And it is not the same thing as say, look, Jimmy Kimmel, start a YouTube channel, buddy. Be like Don Lemon. Ain't nobody stopping you. But if you want access to the public airwaves, you are regulated by the fcc. And I ain't crying about it.

John Reed (38:49)

And there used to be a general consensus about what was acceptable and what wasn't. They were outliers. I mean, I remember when Howard Stern was perceived as like totally outrageous, crazy. You know, we've got to shut him down. They tried to open, they tried to bring him to Richmond and Every. All the conservatives in Richmond freaked out, and he actually didn't survive in Richmond, but he. He was an outlier. Now you look at it and you think there isn't a general consensus about what's acceptable. And the difference between broadcast tv, broadcast radio, and everything else on the Internet blurs that line. What people will accept is different today. The stuff that people regularly consume online would have. People would have had heart attacks and died 20 years ago.

Mary Morgan (39:32)

I think we're just in yet another situation where the left is writing fan fiction about what's happening that I wish were reality. And they're talking about how the government is chilling speech, and they're the culprits behind all of this. And then if you actually look into the story, the fcc, at least according to the information we have now and according to what Brendan Carr has said the FCC did, was not the catalyst for any of this. It was the affiliate stations. It was from the bottom up. It was private companies, and they were private companies standing up to conglomerates. It had nothing to do with the government catalyzing this whole chain of events. I do wish it were the government, though. I do continue wishing that, like, who Trump portrays himself to be in tweets and truth social posts were reality. But he's not actually serious when he says, like, let's shut the people up. We're giving me unfair coverage. Like, I'm not serious.

Tim Pool (40:36)

I'm gonna make it real simple for everybody. What is a government? Who wants to. Who wants to answer this one, Phil? What is a government?

Phil Labonte (40:43)

Well, I mean, it's a. An organization in. At least in our country, that's voted on by the people in order to do certain basic things. In my opinion, the role of the government is to protect property rights, make sure that there's a military, to protect borders, and provide courts for redress of grievance. And as far as I'm concerned, that's about all that I think the government should be doing all right.

Tim Pool (41:09)

I mean, the general idea of government is controlling authority structure over a nation, its borders, and its people. And in the United States, I think you are largely correct as to how it operates. So I agree. That's what a government should be. It should be a structure of the people for the purpose of protecting the rights of the people and ensuring that those rights aren't infringed upon, ensuring protection from external forces, in which case, my view on all of this is very simple. As I've stated before, there are two different worlds occurring within the same country. This is a Conversation that has been had for almost seven or eight years now. And it's a conversation I did not bring up. Many individuals and academics have pointed to the fact that there exist two different countries. Stephen Marsh, I cite quite regularly a smart man, despite being a liberal, and we disagree. He is a smart guy on this matter, much more learned than I. And he said, there are two countries existing within the borders of the United States, a multicultural democracy and a constitutional republic. And he said, I am of the multicultural democracy. And I said, interesting, I am of the constitutional republic. In which case the answer is quite clear. If my government drops a bomb on someone like Soleimani, I don't care. I mean, I'd prefer that he doesn't do it. I know a lot's over here nodding like, come on, let's prefer that we do it. My point is, when the US government engages in military actions for the betterment of the interests of the country, the only the questions that I have are, are these justified is the appropriate use of force? I don't go, oh, heavens me, they murdered somebody. I say, this is war and military, right? Here's a better example. The social media platforms all say that advocating for violence is an immediately bannable offense. However, if you went on your social media platforms and say Donald Trump was correct in dropping a bomb on Solemani and blowing them up, you would not be banned. Because even YouTube agrees the context of the terms of service and the calls for violence only applies within a nation. Now, we are not yet at the point where I would say we have a manifest two different distinct countries by which these that that rule would apply internally as it would apply to the fcc. That's exactly how I feel. So when they come to me and they say, but Tim, free speech. And I'll say, sure. And I don't really grant freedom of movement to terrorists in Iraq or Afghanistan. I don't think the US should be there. But this is my point. You would not grant freedom of movement to Russians in Ukraine despite not being anywhere near there. My view is largely, we have a government of foreign by the people. It's us. They're not us. They seek to destroy us. They are an entirely separate system. They don't believe the same things we do, they don't believe in the same laws, and they're willing to lie to steal power, cheat and even kill someone like Charlie Kirk. When I see this government engaging in actions that is within the Constitution, but is shutting down the illicit speech and I mean like the threats of violence and all that stuff, I'M not going to cry about it. I am not going to cry when Jimmy Kimmel gets his show taken off the air. Even though I do agree with people having the right to free speech because these people are trying to destroy us. And as they say, all is fair in love and war. If it's a culture war, then so be it. I am not going to reach my neck out and defend evil people. And so long as the Trump administration and the current government is protecting us as Americans. And I'm not even playing that heritage American game. All Americans, even people who immigrate here, I know may or may not agree people. Someone comes here right now, they literally just land on a plane and they've got a legal visa and they say, you know, in one year you'll have finalized your citizenship and you'll be that person is protected as well. These liberals, the left are advocating for non citizens to cross the border and be constitutionally protected. That is a violation of our social contract. I am not going to protect those that do not exist in the same world as we do. My government is for us, the American people. And these people are clearly acting outside of that when they murder, lie, cheat, steal and what did Jasmine Crockett say? Committing a crime doesn't make you a criminal. That quotes going viral right now. So when you come to me and say but Donald Trump is doing bad things to all of these people, I'll say they're not Americans. Right. I'm sorry. And I'll stress he's not even doing anything unconstitutional. 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And it's refreshing that people on the right are finally coming around to that realization. Growing up a little bit.

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Mary Morgan (47:49)

Realizing that when you have power, you do need to wield it, especially if you want to keep it and you don't want to be oppressed. These people cannot be taken at face value. It's just the constant. You know, look at their hypocrisy. Look at the left's hypocrisy narrative. That discourse just has exhausted all of its value. It's not worth calling out their hypocrisy anymore.

John Reed (48:13)

People on the right thought that this was all just going to shake out. Like if we just stay cool, it's going to shake out. And I'm really tired of seeing decent people who do have some sort of standard and morals and polite nature being played and having their good intentions used against them. And so at some point, without devolving into a nation that's at war with itself, I think we're close to that already, unfortunately. I mean, I'd like to be one of the people to try to stop that from happening on a regular basis. But we've got to send a message that we're not going to tolerate this. I told somebod the other day, don't, don't complain about a young person who thinks it's okay to shoot someone over political disagreements. When in Virginia, John Hinckley Jr. Who shot Ronald Reagan, is walking around Colonial Williamsburg with no problem. I mean, we let him out. We said, oh, yeah, you were crazy back in 1981. So, but, but, you know, time has gone by. We're going to let you walk around. I, I think that sends a signal we're not serious about this. We don't really. If you could shoot the president and 30 years later, you're free to go play your guitar in the local bar in Williamsburg and nobody says anything about it, that sends a signal to everyone.

Tim Pool (49:34)

Let's jump to the story from Mediaite to exemplify the point. Fox News's Kennedy sounds the alarm over Kimmel suspension and warns Democrats could use precedent to target Fox. My response is, Kennedy, do you have amnesia? You work for a Fox business, I believe. And Tucker Carlson was kicked off the air. All his advertisers were pulled. Megyn Kelly got fired. I think she was, what was it, NBC she was working for in the morning show. Roseanne got fired over a joke. I do not understand this. She said, I do. I do have an issue with some of the statements made by Brendan Carr, because if there were an FCC commission on the other side of the political spectrum from someone maybe on this network and they didn't like their speech, would they put pressure on some of the advertisers? And if someone from Fox moved on to Fox broadcast to some of the owned and operated stations there. That's the part of this that I do not like. So I made a list. It's not exhaustive. I'm going to read it for you. And I believe that Phil and all of you may be able to chime in, but let me just start with this. I tweeted liberals and Democrats used the government to push for censorship of their political rivals, arrested their political rivals, got prominent comedians and personalities fired from their jobs, advocated death for the for children standing still in D.C. remember that one falsely charged their political rival with fraud despite the alleged victims denying they were victimized Created special laws so people could sue and target their political rival. Created a network of false information to smear their rival as a traitor. Maliciously prosecuted the front runner of for their rival parties in fake charges with no underlying crimes. Arrested the political, political lawyers. I'm sorry. Arrested rival politicians. Lawyers for representing the politician. Arrested teenagers for driving cars over sacred symbols. Arrested people for burning their sacred flags. Murdered Trump supporters and celebrated it. Aaron Danielson, Charlie Kirk. Just to off the top of my head, there was also all of the people who died during the BLM riots. There was also the person who was shot in Provo, Utah. There's also. They made lists of the next targets to kill. Yeah, you know what? You get it. I say we have learned there is no more. But when they take power, they killed Charlie. There's literally nowhere else they can go. If they win, we know what they're willing to do. And killing us is already something they've done.

Phil Labonte (51:54)

I mean, there was the, that program Arctic Frost that the FBI was using to target conservative.

Tim Pool (52:00)

There's another one.

Phil Labonte (52:01)

Including, including Charlie Kirk just, just, you know, disclosed in the past couple days. This is not a situation where you can say, oh, well, if the, if the, the right does it, then the left will do it when they get in power. They're going to do it when they get back in power anyways.

Tim Pool (52:16)

It's.

Phil Labonte (52:17)

We are, we are literally living in a banana republic now. Don't, don't kid yourself. This is not like stuff that happens in South America with basket case governments. This is happening in, in the United States right now. So I don't want to hear, oh, well, the left's going to do it if they get back in power, so you shouldn't do it. No, they're going to do it anyway. I mean, this is the reality of 2025.

Tim Pool (52:39)

Let me. It's going to be worse than that. And I'll add another one. They falsely accused independent media personalities of being paid money to spread Russian propaganda, despite the fact that the content we produce in the culture war and the content Dave Rubin produced were often apolitical and nothing to do with politics at all. So in what way are Dave Rubin's reactions to funny viral videos like America's Funniest Home Video in any way spreading propaganda when the culture war. Show you what we're doing tomorrow? Exorcisms. Because the culture war is about culture, not politics. Sometimes politics is involved, but typically it's not. And they lied. And a month after they announced that case, they dropped it. They dropped it and this was in December under Biden. It was fake the whole time. And then in April, they totally, just basically killed the case. Lauren Chenish's statement about it, now that one's personal and I have no problem adding it to the mix because I believe it was totally fake from the get go. And that's. So for those that don't know the story, in December of last year, I was begging my lawyers to get them to, to, to push this through and go public, as heavy as they can. And we were instructed by the feds they no longer had any interest in the case. And it was basically over. And I received my final bill, my final invoice and I said, I'm not. No, no, no. I said, what can I do to keep this going? So you can't. The DOJ issued the indictment. They have no evidence. They've dropped it. So what was this thing? What they are going to do if they win is so much worse than just this stupid idea of. But maybe they'll censor. You already did that. And not only did they already censor, but Michael Reinhold shot and killed Aaron Danielson. And you know what Crowder told me today, which is fascinating, when the economists put out that who's more responsible for political violence that's not included as Left wing extremism. BLM riots which resulted in around either 26 to 32 deaths do not count as political deaths. They are lying. And so hearing this, I'm just so sick of this argument. If the, if the Democrats win the midterms, Trump will be impeached. He will never get. There will never be legislation put through. As bad as Mike Johnson is that everyone complains about, Democrats will do substantially worse because Republicans aren't willing to, to be fair, I'm going to say this. There's another story that maybe we'll get to in a bit that 48 of Trump's, I believe it's 48 of Trump's appointees have been confirmed in a single vote, which I don't think is ever. Has it ever happened before?

Phil Labonte (54:58)

No.

Tim Pool (54:59)

48 political appointees got confirmed in a single swipe of a pen, 51 to 40. I think the vote was with Trump saying he's going to name antifa, a terrorist organization with already criminal charges being sought among people like Letitia James and Adam Schiff. I would not be surprised if by next week we actually see arrests, political arrests.

Phil Labonte (55:23)

I would like to.

Tim Pool (55:24)

I mean, the pace at which we are seeing action this past week following the killing of Charlie Kirk, I think I think there's a couple of ways to look at it. Anyone who is advising Trump from. From a lizard brain setting, let me start by saying, with all due respect to Charlie Kirk, a good man, an honorable man who fought, there is a political reality that people don't want to discuss. And I am telling you, I am sure, behind the scenes, an advisor to Trump said, with the death of Charlie Kirk, you effectively have carte blanche. You can do whatever you want because they killed Charlie. That is the cold lizard reality of what just happened. And I think when you see the moves that are being made, Jimmy Kimmel getting pulled off the air, people getting fired from their jobs, the American people do not have the tolerance for this degree of political violence. And the liberals are arguing that Trump is exploiting this for the purpose of expanding security or whatever he's doing. I think it's fair to say that there are advisors telling Trump, if you're going to do it, you got to do it now.

John Reed (56:31)

Well, it's gotta be. He's only got. He had 24 months. The clock is running. And yeah, that was the mistake of the first term, was slow rolling it. Oh, we'll get to it, we'll get to it later. And then you get annihilated in the midterms, which is predictable even in the best circumstance. I mean, he's gotta take action. If there was stuff that he promised or if there are things that he fundamentally wants to do to change the way Washington operates, there's a very limited window. And let's be honest, I'll get through my election in November, we'll start up again in January. And then what? Everybody gets cold feet by about April or May because then every member of the Congress has to go out and campaign and they don't want anything too controversial that'll screw up their race. So everything kind of stops in D.C. about April, maybe May of next year.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (57:19)

Given, given the current political climate, do you fear for your safety at all as a Republican candidate?

John Reed (57:26)

There's nothing new. What's happened with Charlie Kirk, has it made a lot of people pay attention? But the day I got the nomination, there was a guy, I was live streaming a press conference, talking about my opponent, and there were people putting comments on the live stream. You deserve a bullet in your head. And I took it to the cops. They said, okay, we'll archive them. Nobody did anything about it. So I hate to admit this, but this is nothing new. Now am I worried about it? This weekend I'm going to be campaigning without security all over the state and I just, I'm six foot three. Normally people don't mess with me. But you want to, you want to blow somebody away, that doesn't matter. Yeah.

Mary Morgan (58:05)

So you went to the authorities and they were like, oh, yeah, we'll look into it.

Tim Pool (58:08)

Well, what does this actually mean?

John Reed (58:10)

And you know, can we identify this person?

Mary Morgan (58:13)

That's why we also cannot rely on the authorities to take action on these things. And that's why I'm so glad that whoever these anonymous people are that started the Charlie Kirk Data foundation are doing to archive important work of archiving this information. They're not doxing anyone. Nobody is advocating for cruelty to people on the left.

John Reed (58:32)

I'm not saying kill that guy.

Mary Morgan (58:34)

Yeah, we don't want to meet their cruelty with cruelty. We just want justice.

Phil Labonte (58:38)

I want to see people arrested so that way they're not a threat to society.

Tim Pool (58:42)

Indeed, people, people who are advocating or inciting violence should be charged for it. Yeah. And my attitude right now is five years ago, if someone said, oh, won't someone rid me of this priest? I'd say, yeah, yeah, we get it today. If someone says that, I say, charge them. Yeah.

John Reed (58:58)

You Andy? No, I brought him to Richmond to speak to this group that I founded. Right. I knew it'd be somewhat controversial. We had it booked in a really nice private club. Antifa harassed the club. I mean, blew up the phone calls, scared them.

Tim Pool (59:14)

We.

John Reed (59:15)

We moved to a hotel. The same thing happened. We kept it secret until the day of the speech. Antifa went all over the hotel, made the front desk clerks cry, said, we're going to murder and slaughter everybody who steps into the hotel. We got booted. We finally got Andy no. In front of a crowd with, you know, like a one hour notice of where it was going to be and had to have snipers in the parking lot. And there was a guy who was identified as posting minimally provocative stuff like a. A guy carrying a TNT box. And he said, I'm on the way to blow up the Andy no event. They let that slide. The prosecutor in my home county let it slide for about a month and then dismiss the charges. And I kept saying, when are you going to make an example of people to say, you can't, with a wink and a nod act like this is okay to intimidate people?

Tim Pool (60:06)

You know that they're planning on protesting Charlie's funeral.

John Reed (60:10)

Oh, disgusting. But I'm sure.

Phil Labonte (60:11)

Yeah, yeah, it's disgusting. But that will do horrible things for the left because the optics of protesting a funeral of a man that has was murdered is going to do more, more damage to the Democrat Party than destiny did.

John Reed (60:28)

Well, that's like Westboro.

Tim Pool (60:29)

You know what? If they had considered that, they would not have this, so I'll keep it light. But should they have considered that after this lunatic liberal shot and murdered Charlie, they would not have posted to social media celebrating the death, dancing on his grave. They don't care what you think. And I think the issue is, for the past 15 or so years, liberals ruled through fear and blunt and brute force. Most people don't agree that men are women or whatever, or children could get sex changes, but they were terrified that if they said anything, they would not only get fired from their jobs, they could be beaten for it. So they kept their mouths shut. And liberals and leftists with impunity could say whatever they wanted because they were willing to be violent and police wouldn't do anything about it.

John Reed (61:17)

They got used to it. And now the arrogance is out of control. And now.

Tim Pool (61:21)

Exactly. Now that Trump is in office and people are feeling more comfortable calling it out, they went on social media and celebrated, and the backlash was intense. And now Jimmy Kimmel has lost his job and they're starting to learn we don't tolerate it. No one should have ever tolerated it. But finally people are waking up saying no. And Donald Trump is more empowered now, not just him, but law enforcement to shut this down. A really great example. When that guy trampled the memorial, I think it was in Arizona, I'm not sure. And a couple of. A bunch of supporters of Charlie Kirk grabbed him, grabbed him and threw him down. Five years ago, those guys would have been arrested.

John Reed (62:00)

You're right.

Tim Pool (62:00)

They arrested the guy who trampled the memorial because the police know who butters their, who butters their bread now. Yeah.

Phil Labonte (62:08)

Good.

John Reed (62:08)

That's a, that's the perfect example of how the, the tables have turned. The attitude has changed. Our side's not going to sit quiet. And I think the cops do realize who's on their side and who's not. And to your point about doing, protesting Charlie's funeral, doing damage to the left, I would use the example of how the Westboro Baptist Church guys went and protested gay people who died of AIDS and, and interrupted funerals where a decent person would say, no matter what I think of you, no matter how much I dislike you or have a problem with you, bury your dead and we're not going to interrupt you.

Tim Pool (62:47)

I mean, that's just kind of a.

John Reed (62:48)

Decent way to live.

Tim Pool (62:49)

Are you familiar with the, the Christmas truce, the famous Was it World War I? I think it was.

John Reed (62:53)

Right, right.

Tim Pool (62:54)

That on Christmas they lay down their arms and they drank hot cocoa and tea or whatever and celebrated Christmas. Enemies. And then with next day went back to the trenches. It's just so, it's, it's crazy.

John Reed (63:08)

And all that's been lost. That's what the left has done to this culture. People used to disagree. I mean, it probably wasn't as divergent. Well, we did, we didn't have the divergent opinions, as extreme as they are today. But at least people agreed on the way we generally treat each other like somebody. I mean, I wasn't around when, when Robert Kennedy was killed, I went around. When JFK was killed, I went around with MLK was killed. But I'm guessing that if you had something really nasty to say about any of those killings, you probably would have said it in your house privately and not. And maybe someone will prove me wrong and pull up the archives and they'll be able to prove that that's not true.

Tim Pool (63:48)

But let's jump to this next story, ladies and gentlemen. Donald Trump has accused Ilhan Omar of immigration fraud. Now, he didn't explicitly say he was gonna take any action, but following this post on Truth Social, many people on X are saying Trump has fired the first salvo in stripping her of citizenship and deporting her. Maybe we will see if it escalates that point, but let me read what he said. Trump says Ilhan Omar's country of Somalia is plagued by a lack of central government control, persistent poverty, hunger, resurgent terrorism, piracy, decades of civil war, corruption, and pervasive violence. 70% of the population lives in extreme poverty and widespread food insecurity. Somalia is consistently ranked among the world's most corrupt countries, including bribery, embezzlement, and a dysfunctional government. All of this and Ilhan Omar tells us how to run America. P.S. wasn't she the one that married her brother in order to gain citizenship? What scum we have in our country telling us what to do and how to do it. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Make America great again. Now I will highlight this article from the Minnesota Star Tribune. For those unfamiliar this is not a conservative newspaper and they reported in 2019. New documents revisit questions about Rep. Ilhan Omar's marriage history. Although she has legally corrected the discrepancy, she has declined to say anything about how or why it happened. New investigative documents released by a state agency have given fresh life to lingering questions about the marital history of Rep. Ilhan Omar and whether she once married a man, possibly her own brother, to skirt immigration laws. She denied these as baseless rumors, but even the Star Tribune says she possibly married her own brother. Why would Donald Trump make this post saying it's her country of Somalia? Didn't she skirt immigration laws? I think it's a reasonable assessment that Donald Trump may make a move to strip her of citizenship, revoke and deport. Yeah.

Phil Labonte (65:46)

I mean, look, if, if it comes out, there should be an investigation. And if it comes out that she did violate the law. No one is above the law. She broke the law. Send her back. I don't care that she's been elected. She has broken the law to let's.

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Tim Pool (67:29)

So let's put it like this. If someone defrauds you and tricks their way into, you know, living in your basement like they give you fake documents or let's save a 3 flat, we'll just make it easier and you're Renting out the first floor as a single unit apartment. And they lie on all the documents so they can do it, claim they have a job when they don't. Should you be forced to just let them stay, or should you say, hey, you defrauded me? I don't. I don't buy this argument that, you know, they would say, like, well, it's pretty dangerous. She was elected. So what? I agree with Phil. If it turns out she defrauded the US Government for immigration, then her election is void. That's it, goodbye.

John Reed (68:06)

You're not a citizen. You shouldn't. You weren't eligible to be a citizen.

Tim Pool (68:10)

Well, I think in her instance, that what the way of Trump's framing it, the rumor, I should say, the reporting actually, is that she married her brother so her brother would be granted citizenship.

John Reed (68:20)

I see.

Tim Pool (68:21)

However, if she commits immigration fraud, that does subject her to revocation of her immigration status, that citizenship can be revoked if you are someone who is naturalized. Yeah. How far are we going with this?

Phil Labonte (68:35)

Well, I mean, all the way.

Tim Pool (68:36)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (68:37)

I mean, look, if you've broken immigration.

John Reed (68:39)

Law, you know, it's like everything else. At some point you got to be tough on whether you're going to allow violence, whether you're going to excuse murder, whether you're going to allow people to break the law. I mean, the problem is we spent 30 years just letting things slide, letting on immigration especially, just letting everything go. And now you've got chaos, and Trump is back to try to restore some order to that.

Tim Pool (69:04)

And it's not.

John Reed (69:04)

It's never gonna be nice. It's. It's like when the new teacher arrives and the. The class has been out of control, and the new teacher shows up and says, hell, no, you're not gonna act like this in my classroom. And everybody goes, wait, what? What? That's Trump. He's. He's cracking the whip and saying, we are not going to allow this anymore. I think that's probably a good thing for us.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (69:24)

So I think it's worth mentioning that this truth is coming on the heels of a failed censure vote in the House that would have ultimately stripped Ilhan Omar of her House committee assignments. So she had two different House committee assignments. She had some comments about the death of Charlie Kirk, and some people viewed it as justifying it. So Representative Nancy Mace brought forward that censure vote that failed by one vote as a result of four Republican House members voting against it. So, I mean, this is the reason why Republicans always lose, because Corey Mills is sending out tweets justifying his vote to not censure Ilhan Omar saying, we may not like or agree with someone with what someone says, but that does not mean we mean we should deny their protected First Amendment right. House Republicans are afraid to wield power. Ilhan Omar is one of the most disgusting members of the House. And the fact that the Republicans weren't able to achieve this censure by one vote. Corey Mills is allegedly trying to avoid censure of his own from the Democrats. And this was kind of a quid pro quo, trying to like save the skin off of his back for alleged improprieties that were coming his way. So like, dirty politics is what helps prevent, you know, these outrageous Democrats, these socialist far left leftists in the House from being held to account. So I think Corey Mills has like something serious to answer for.

Tim Pool (70:45)

And like, he wasn't the only Republican, right?

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (70:47)

It was one of three other. There were four Republicans in total. But here's the thing. Corey Mills is a MAGA firebrand who should be voting to censure, but he's using the COVID of free speech in the most BS and manipulative way. The issue with this free speech conversation too is that while Republicans and right wingers are principled in their free speech, left wingers are just willing to use it against them. They're not truly against doxing or getting people fired from their jobs. They're just against it when the right is willing to use it against the left. And it's just so sad how weak these Republicans, some of these Republicans in the House are, it seems whenever we get so close. Well, it was only these four who really screwed up the vote. I could pull up the names, but you should. It seems there is always a few that prevent them from getting this through. But he is the MAGA fire brand, right? Corey Mills from Florida. He is supposed to be the MAGA guy.

Tim Pool (71:42)

And so it's Corey Mills, Mike Flood, Jeff heard and Tom McClintock trash.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (71:49)

So, you know, this is why Ilhan will continue to have committee assignment, committee assignments. A far left Islamist in the House will continue to have her House assignments, her committee assignments because of Corey Mills.

Tim Pool (72:01)

I'm confused.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (72:01)

Yes.

Tim Pool (72:02)

Why didn't Israel just get her removed?

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (72:04)

I guess Israel's not given enough money. AIPAC's not doing its work. They were cut out for it.

Tim Pool (72:08)

What's going on, brother?

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (72:09)

That's why I'm here now, lobbying against Corey Mills.

Tim Pool (72:14)

Is that the best Israel have they sent somebody to go on Tim cast IRL to lie.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (72:17)

That's not even like a great guest me. And if anything ever happened to you, just like how all this stuff around Charlie Kirk that Candace has going on, if anything happened to you immediately, it'll be Israel's fault.

Tim Pool (72:27)

That's why I have a picture of Elad lurking, looking around the corner, staring at me in a creepy way. And it's set to publish the next week. And every week I update it. That way, if anything does happen to me, it'll upload automatically. And then everyone will be like, wait, what?

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (72:40)

Thinking ahead, tell me if anything happened to him, I do get to inherit the show. And then we're changing it over to officially Jucast irl. It just won't. It won't be a joke anymore. But what the hell? Corey Mills.

John Reed (72:52)

Well, if he's counting them to uphold their agreement.

Tim Pool (72:55)

If.

John Reed (72:56)

I mean, if your supposition is that there's a backroom deal to protect him, I wouldn't count on it. I would count on these people do not honor agreements.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (73:04)

And then There was also Lamonica McIver or something from New Jersey where they.

John Reed (73:08)

Were in jail yet.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (73:09)

No, they were. They were. There was another deal there to prevent that censure from moving forward because of these such slim majorities.

Tim Pool (73:17)

You cannot exist as a nation when you cut political deals with people who break the law in this way. And we have done it for too long. And the argument is always, but we don't wanna fight. And it goes back to what was it? Was it 1876 when our President was chosen by committee and not by election, which ended Reconstruction? Basically, the fear was the Civil War was going to break out again. They couldn't figure out who was actually going to win. And so they compromised. A committee came together and said, let's just decide who the president's going to be, then we'll all agree at the fight. Right? Okay. So in exchange for this person being president will end reconstruction. And there we go. And from there, this is a country of, I know you broke the law, but if you agree not to come after me, I won't go after you. So at the highest level, you have DC a swamp full of swamp monsters. Breaking the law and cutting backroom deals. You can't function this way. That. That MC Ivers, she's the one who hit the cop, right? Punched the cop.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (74:12)

ICE agent. Why isn't she in jail facility?

Tim Pool (74:16)

She punched the cops.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (74:17)

They're scared to prosecute her.

Tim Pool (74:18)

Yeah, yeah, well, that's when. When. When regular people can watch a politician punch a cop and get away with It. They're going to say, I guess. I guess laws are off then, huh? Yeah. And what do you think happens next?

Phil Labonte (74:31)

Well, I mean, more of the same. More of what we've already got. It's going to. It's going to intensify. I mean, I would love to see. I would love to see, you know, some reconciliation. I would love to see the temperature cool off, because I don't want to see a hot civil war. But we've been taking steps towards that, you know, for the past at least five years, six years.

John Reed (74:52)

You know, it doesn't have to be a reconciliation. It just has to be an agreement that we're all going to obey the same laws. Like, I can't go into a museum that's hung a painting that I don't like that offends me and my Christian beliefs and throw red paint on it. And you can't go into the streets of Richmond, Virginia, and throw a rope around a Confederate statue that nobody voted to take down and drag it through the street just because you are offended by those statues. I mean, maybe you have a reason to be offended. That's on you. But we have to obey the law, and that's completely out the window.

Tim Pool (75:27)

Now, I think that this period, which is devolving into civil war, whatever happens, started probably with 2007, 2008. And you could make the argument that it's tied to the. What was the. What was the. The act that allowed the. The mixing of investments on brain farns. When the Dodd or whatever it was there.

Phil Labonte (75:47)

Oh, Dodd.

Tim Pool (75:48)

Frank. Dodd, Frank. There you go. I was gonna say Frank Dodd. I'm like, that's not right. Yeah. So some people argue, like, that's what's. That's all policy stuff. 2007 was the ground level, the groundswell, political moment where people snapped, and it created a network of global crises that have never been solved. Notably, I was supposed to have a kid in 2008. Traditionally, I was about 22, 23 years old into 2009. That's the age at which people usually have kids. The financial crash happened, and I couldn't afford to do anything. So I didn't, and most millennials didn't, because we had no jobs. We were living together as roommates. That's what we could afford. There was no prospect of growth, and we didn't even know it was a problem. We didn't even know it was happening. Because to us, the way I've often explained it is I was already at the bottom. So when the market collapsed, I didn't go anywhere. What people like, what I and my cohorts didn't understand is that we were supposed to be growing in financial access, housing, et cetera, and then have kids around that time, without kids, you get a bunch of angry, listless young men with no families and nothing to lose. You get a collapsing economy, you get political crisis after political crisis. Then you got, you got the Tea Party, you got Occupy Wall street, which turned into Donald Trump, which turned into the Russia Gate era. If you go back to 2007 since then, it's pretty wild to think about when I imagine what life was like in 2013. 14, I don't know, I'm going to see Marvel movies, skateboarding. Things don't seem that bad. But when you look back at a condensed history, the way we look at, say, the World War I and 2 era, the Civil War era, the Revolutionary War, the condensation of history makes it look pretty startling. In 2007, the global financial crisis hits. People lose their jobs, people's savings are wiped out. Young people don't get a start on life. This leads to anger over these bailouts for these big ultra rich fat cats. And the people on the ground experienced what corruption led to. Then you get the Tea Party angry that the representatives were not actually dealing with the problem. You get the Tea Party groundswell on the Republican side. Then you get Occupy Wall street in 2011, where more urban level people, urban centered people, were saying the exact same thing. Barack Obama was not solving these problems. He was giving big bailouts to banks and big, big companies and CEOs, and we got the shaft, we lost our houses, we paid the bills, we faced inflation. Obama didn't solve the problem, he got reelected, he didn't solve the problem. What did we get? Nothing. So what happens? Trump begins to emerge. The sentiment that led to Donald Trump was bubbling up during Occupy Wall Street. A combination of cultural issues and populist outcry led to Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump and the machine state panicked. So they did whatever they did to Bernie Sanders, whatever that was, and then Donald Trump wasn't supposed to win. He ended up winning. How did they respond? They accused him of being a traitor, claimed he was a traitor to this country, probably going back years and decades, and tried to put him in prison, tried to destroy his life, cemented his feet in his first administration so he couldn't really move. And then you move into the next, you move into the Biden era, you get Arctic Frost targeting conservative organizations and like, don't get me wrong, like, but you know, you had Obama going after Tea Party groups and other conservatives with the IRS and things like that. All of this stuff is a catastrophe bubbling up and escalating going back to around 2007. I don't, I don't buy the arguments people make. Well, well, Bush did this and no, no, no, the machine state, foreign war stuff was totally par for the course for this country for the past 50, 60 years. The Military Industrial Complex, 2007 is where things got weird. And it's also the time of social media. All of this is the, is the collapse of our, of our system. And it's come to this moment. It's been getting worse. It's getting worse. And I don't see any of this turning around, to be completely honest.

Phil Labonte (79:41)

I mean, I don't, I don't see it either. That's, that's one of the things that we are constantly talking about. Where's the off ramp? How do we fix this? And the more, you know, the more you, you listen to people on, you know, on the left, the more you realize that they don't want to. Like a week ago when Charlie was killed, that changed everything in this country because people saw like normal people and conservatives saw the vitriol about someone that was not actually a politician. Right. He just was out there, he was an activist, but he was just out there expressing his beliefs and he was, you know, he was trying to discuss these things with people that disagreed.

Tim Pool (80:24)

Here's a story for you guys from CBS News. 22 year old man charged with threatening to kill New Hampshire Governor Kelly Iote. How do you pronounce that? Ayote? Yeah.

Phil Labonte (80:32)

A yacht.

Tim Pool (80:33)

A yacht. You live there? Not me. A 22 year old man is in custody after police say threatened to kill New Hampshire Governor Kelly Ayat. Tristan Anderson of Hooksett, New Hampshire is charged with criminal threatening and harm or threats to certain government officials. The criminal complaint against Anderson released Thursday alleges that he didn't knowingly threaten to commit the crime of homicide and or assault against Governor Kelly Ayat, the current governor of the state of New Hampshire for the purpose of influencing such officials actions or in retaliation for action taken as part of such government's official duties. He was allegedly messaging with a win on Snapchat saying he was going to target the new, the New Hampshire Mayor Kelly Ayat with my weapon of mass destruction. He had also made anti Semitic remarks in the messages as well. Yeah. The woman told police that Anderson owned guns and that he had, he had made mention of making pipe bombs. Anderson allegedly had Shown the one metal tubes he was using to make the bombs as well as nuts and bolts he was going to put in them. Police said Anderson had allegedly bought fireworks and take them apart to create pipe bombs. He was arrested Aug. 28 and remains in custody without bail pending his next court appearance. Ayat is a Republican who previous previously senator defeated the Democrat. They reached out to I office for comment. His arrest happened before the murder of Charlie Kirk, but it was revealed during a heated national debate about political violence. If every policy that is being promoted by Arrivals is some kind of existential threat and a catastrophe in the end of the Republic, that further intensifies this kind of emotional stress. It sounds like what they are saying from this story is that this was a politically motivated death threat. Threat or threat against the governor because he did not like what she was doing. Yeah, I mean, what is happening that yesterday several cops are shot, ICE agents are nearly getting run over and then shoot and kill the people. Like these stories are almost every single day now, if not every single day. And the scary thing is the desensitization to them. There's another story that I will attach to this one because we don't have the full details. Tommy. I'm sorry. TONY GONZALEZ STAFFER DEATH UNDER INVESTIGATION her body was on fire. I don't want to die. She told her mother who found her. They don't say what happened. They say they're not suspecting foul play, but it is currently under investigation. So I am very curious how a Republican staffer was found immolated saying, I don't want to die.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (82:56)

And they're like, that's very odd. Do you know who's running against him, by the way?

Tim Pool (83:00)

Who? Is it Brandon Herrera?

Phil Labonte (83:01)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (83:02)

Interesting. Yeah.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (83:03)

Totally on the heels of this story. Does that make you reconsider your security arrangements while campaigning?

John Reed (83:10)

I mean, I don't have any option.

Tim Pool (83:12)

I don't.

John Reed (83:12)

I don't have any money, man. You know, I mean, I guess if I could go higher, I've got a couple of guys who've said, I'll go out with you and, you know, shadow you and try to help you if something happens. I appreciate that, but it's. And who wants to live like that? I'm not running for President of the United States. I'm running for lieutenant governor of Virginia. I shouldn't have to have 24 hour security. I should be able to get in the car like I did to come see you guys and not worry about it. I'm just not gonna live that way, you know, And I'M gonna be careful. But I mean, this. It's crazy. And you know what the problem is?

Tim Pool (83:46)

Yes. These.

John Reed (83:46)

These stories are happening every day. But if you go back to 2020, people thought I was overreacting. On my radio show, I was like, why are we not shutting this down? We've got cops being ambushed and assassinated in Dallas. I think when the. When the BLM Antifa riots first started, we had the police in Richmond, Virginia, went into their precinct. Nobody even reported on it. They didn't even bother. They set the building on fire with the cops inside. People have not been prosecuted. The United Daughters of the Confederacy Museum and Library in Richmond. I mean, maybe you hate the Confederacy. Maybe you hate those little old ladies who run the. I don't know. But that was firebombed, and no one has ever been arrested or prosecuted. What signal does that send? It says we don't care. It says, as a culture, we're willing to tolerate this, and we should. We should hammer these people regardless of whether they're on the right or the left.

Tim Pool (84:41)

And.

John Reed (84:41)

And we should also be honest that most of it is coming from the left. Most of it is coming from the left. And so you have an entire generation of people who've been raised to think, if I personally get spun up about something and hate something or hate somebody, then it's okay to go after them. And that's on us as a society. And the leaders who've been in place, who haven't had the guts because they were afraid they'd be called a racist or they afraid they'd be called a homophobe, they were afraid of being called a name. They didn't stand up and hammer these bad guys. So now we're all suffering.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (85:13)

I know you have a race coming up. I don't know if you wanted to touch on it a little bit early. Voting starts tomorrow. Why should people in Virginia vote for you?

John Reed (85:22)

Well, what I just said, I think I'm one of the few people over the last several years who's in Virginia, at least, who's had the guts to say what needs to be said and not be worried about being called names. I've been called names my whole life. You're not gonna. You're not gonna upset me with that, and you're not gonna back me down from that. And I think it. I mean, it's not like I'm proposing anything that's outrageous or unusual. It's called obey the law. And I don't think we have draconian crazy laws in Virginia. Certainly And I don't even think in the United States we have crazy law, just obey the law. And those laws are based on treating everybody with some basic level of respect, not harming the other person. We've lost it all.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (86:03)

Let me ask, I understand no matter what happens in your race, people are going to view it as a bellwether about what's going on in the country. And people.

John Reed (86:10)

Well, I've reminded the people in D.C. about that. Yeah. November 5th, whatever happens in Virginia and New Jersey will be discussed as a harbinger for what Trump's given, viewed as.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (86:19)

A referendum on the president. What do you think of the president? If you had to give him a grade, what would you give him on how he's governing?

John Reed (86:26)

Well, you know, I've voted for Trump three times. I don't regret that. He's a controversial guy. I don't even argue with people when they want to bring up his personality. I'm like, I'm not debating his personality. I will discuss the policies. And I do think he's implementing policies that will put us, I pray to God, in a better situation. No one wants to talk about being $37 trillion in debt. I mean, look at Greece, look at Italy, look at other countries filled with smart people. They have had economic collapses that have burdened the citizens because they just didn't rein in their spending and their financial obligations. And I think Trump is.

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John Reed (88:33)

The first person to step up and try to do that. Now there's pain associated with it. It's a bad situation. It doesn't feel good.

Tim Pool (88:40)

But I can't.

John Reed (88:41)

Nobody can run a government making everybody feel good. You have to make some tough decisions.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (88:45)

I know one of his biggest initiatives has been on immigration. He's quadrupled the funding towards ice. Do you support what he's doing across the country? I think reaching for a million deportations a year of illegal aliens.

John Reed (88:56)

Here we all have to obey the law. We all have to obey the law. So if you're here, it's not like this just came up yesterday. We've been talking about it for a decade or more. When I worked in the Senate, 2004, 2005, 2006, we were talking about whether we could secure the southern border, for God's sake. No one pulled it off until Trump arrived. Now their consequences. I have friends who were here illegally. And I said, man, here's the name of a lawyer. He's a Democrat, not even a Republican. He will help you get your paperwork straight. But if you sit around and don't do it, you're going to be booted out of the country. Do you understand that? And a lot of people blew me off and said, I don't think so. Everything's cool. No, it's not. You've got to obey the law. We all have to obey the law.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (89:39)

I know your neighbors to the north in Maryland. They're having this issue with the so called Maryland man that all the Democrats seem to be going to visit. Mr. Kilmar, Abrego Garcia. Have you heard about that case? What people say Trump is overstepping there. Do you think the president is overstepping?

John Reed (89:52)

It's not overstepping.

Tim Pool (89:53)

It's not overstepping at all.

John Reed (89:55)

Look, there should be one day where we say, are you documented? Have you taken care of the responsibilities you have? And if the answer is no, I'm so sorry. I, you know, I'm a nice guy, I don't like to hurt people, but you're going to have to go. And when I lived in Kuwait, for God's sake, I was the head of international development for a firm. They put me in Kuwait. I think if I remember correctly, my visa was for 60 days, my work visa, you can bet I was out of there on day 58 because I wasn't going to let anybody in that country claim that I was missing the deadline. So I left on the 58th day and then stayed away for a week and then came back. That was my obligation.

Tim Pool (90:36)

Look, everybody's going to obey the law.

John Reed (90:37)

And if you've ever traveled around the world, you know that the rest of the world is not very nice about it.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (90:42)

One of the ways that you would be a trailblazer if elected is that you would be the first openly gay lieutenant governor, I believe, across the country. Can you talk a little?

John Reed (90:51)

Elected official? I mean, a statewide elected official in Virginia, and no Republican who's gay has ever been elected statewide, ever. Democrats have been doing it.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (91:02)

Are Virginian Republicans ready for a gay lieutenant governor?

John Reed (91:07)

I think they are ready for a solid conservative, and that's me. The fact that I'm gay is, I'm not gonna lie to you. There's some people who are upset about that, but I can't help them. I mean, I worked for Ronald Reagan. I was comms director for George Allen. I've spent the last eight years standing up for everything Christian conservatives are concerned about and believe in, most of which I completely correspond with. So I think a lot of people were skeptical when I first started running, like, oh, my God, cross this line. And then they got to know me. They went back and listened to the 9,000 hours of broadcast time where I stood up for them and the things they believe in. And now they're like, well, damn, how crazy is it that there is a gay Republican who actually has the balls to stand up and say what needs to be said and to defend us and defend law and order. And I think that counts.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (92:00)

There are many gay Republicans, I think most prominently Scott Besant. I feel like there is a non insignificant minority in the Republican Party, though, who is questioning the Obergefell decision. How would you respond to somebody who, a Republican who says, I can't support you because of your sexuality, has, have you come across that on the campus?

John Reed (92:18)

Oh, oh, my gosh. There have been plenty of people who have, have said that. And I've said, well, you know, when it was the primary time, of course, at your vote, you get to decide whether I represent you well enough or not or whether I match. I would ask Them to actually search their soul as to whether they. Have you ever voted for a candidate that you thought was perfect? I mean, really? I voted for my dad nine times. And we didn't agree on everything. And I didn't think he was perfect, but he represented me, by and large, the way I wanted him to. I made the argument that that was me in this case. And then now that I am the nominee, I have said to some people, well, now you got two choices. You can go with the gay guy that you really don't like, but, yeah, he's with you, or you can vote for the radical leftist who's, you know, a Muslim and. And wants to put girls in jeopardy in their locker room and wants boys to play on girls sports and voted to keep the schools closed for an extra year. And the mask mandate. I mean, she's everything you say you hate. But what? You can't vote for me. And I'm. I actually have stood up for you overnight as a proven thing. It's not like a hypothetical. I mean, that's a moral dilemma that you have to make. I don't know.

Tim Pool (93:30)

Oh, let's jump to the story. We got video emerging from New York. Protesters take the streets of Times Square in Manhattan. In Manhattan chanting F. Charlie Kirk and calling him racist. They're. They're demanding justice for Corey Zucatis and Trey Reed. Two people, one of them a black student, were found hanging from trees at. In Mississippi. This is at different locations. I will stress. Trey Reed committed suicide. That's the medical examiner report. They're protesting for a dude who. It's sad. Took his own life while screaming f Charlie Kirk. Why Charlie Kirk? Charlie Kurt. He was a racist. He wasn't racist. He was a racist.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (94:23)

I'm personally familiar with that protester who's threatened me in my Instagram dms. He's like the. The prominent, like BLM protester. He's doing this for attention. And look, nobody gives a crap. Nobody gives a. He's just trying to be controversial.

Tim Pool (94:36)

Justice for tr. Can I just show you this? This is from. Here we go. Clarion Ledger. Mississippi medical examiner releases report on hanging of black men at Delta State. They even called it a hanging of a black man. The Mississippi State medical examiner has come to the conclusion that the hanging death of Trey Reed from a tree at Delta State was consistent with suicide. Findings were consistent with the initial investigation determining the cause of death to be hanging in the manner of death as suicide funnel. Toxicology results are pending and may take two to four weeks. This is what we have to deal with. I just saw a post from this liberal person I know where they, they posted to their Instagram story. A guy being like, how do you know if you're actually on the right side? If both sides are saying that they're right about everything? And I'm like, like, I read the news all day every day and fact check it. And I don't know how you conclude anything different when the medical examiner says it was a suicide, but they're protesting for justice while screaming Charlie was a racist. They don't live in reality.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (95:34)

These guys are looking for attention. These are losers who are looking for attention.

Tim Pool (95:37)

Every single protester and every liberal. Sure.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (95:40)

This guy in particular, many of the.

Tim Pool (95:42)

Protesters I get that should be taking.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (95:44)

Care of his children at home.

Mary Morgan (95:45)

Is that guy a career activist?

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (95:47)

Like he's just a loser bum. No. No job or dead end job.

Mary Morgan (95:51)

And where does he lay his head at night? How does he buy food?

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (95:54)

Some run down apart apartment and out of town. Doesn't pay his child support, Isn't married to his baby mama. Half of those are. Are good educated guesses, but I take the bet nonetheless.

Mary Morgan (96:05)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (96:06)

Yeah.

Mary Morgan (96:07)

Demons. Yeah, Demons walking among us.

Tim Pool (96:10)

This is. This is crazy. I got. I got to pull this up because I don't know what's going on anymore these days. This. This tweet just dropped. Stopped numerous officers rushing towards UNCW amphitheater with a helicopter circling above. Law enforcement officer report reported that four suspects are in custody while one fled to the woods. We have no idea.

Mary Morgan (96:25)

I saw a different report that said there was one apprehension and it was. That was the person that was seen with the.

Tim Pool (96:32)

Walking with the rifle.

Mary Morgan (96:33)

Yeah. So I don't know if that's true. I looked at it like just a few minutes ago.

Tim Pool (96:39)

Yeah, they're investigating rifle, but I mean, I don't see any. I don't see any latest updates. They're saying continue to shelter in place while the law enforcement are doing sweeps. Guys, I. I don't know what's going on in this country. All I can tell you is we may be hyper focused on social media. So every little instance looks like something bigger than it really is. Or we could be in something bigger than it. We think it is.

Mary Morgan (97:06)

However, this is the same school where they vandalized a Charlie Memorial with the trans flag just a day ago, right? A couple of days ago, yeah.

Phil Labonte (97:15)

With the colors of the trans flag.

John Reed (97:16)

They just.

Phil Labonte (97:17)

They were using the.

John Reed (97:18)

The rock, the thing.

Tim Pool (97:19)

Apparently. I'm told after the fact that I only just learned this. You the rock is painted over every other day. So the painting over the memorial was just the normal process by which people come and change and. And tomorrow someone else will.

John Reed (97:32)

But she did that. Very deliberate.

Tim Pool (97:33)

Of course.

Mary Morgan (97:34)

I saw the video. It didn't look like she was authorized to.

Tim Pool (97:37)

There's no authorization. Yeah. Apparently they call it like memorial. Like it's called like Freedom Rock or Honor Rock or something like that. And anybody can go and paint it whenever they want.

Mary Morgan (97:45)

Okay.

Tim Pool (97:45)

And it gets painted over every other day or something.

John Reed (97:47)

But to walk up and do it right in front of the people that are having their little ceremony.

Phil Labonte (97:52)

So it's not vandalism, but it's still in response to Charlie Kirk and it's trans colors.

Tim Pool (97:57)

Whoa.

Phil Labonte (97:57)

Specifically because it was Charlie.

Tim Pool (97:59)

Here's some more video Mario novels posting this. Oh my God. Holy.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (98:10)

Oh.

Tim Pool (98:13)

They're still saying shelter in place following this video of the guy with the rifle. I don't know. You know, honestly, like somebody walks around with a gun and then people scream and lose their minds for no reason. That's what happened in Utah where that antifa guy had a. An AR15 that he was open carrying legally. And then two liberal guys freaked out and started shooting at him and killed a random guy. Guy. It's like that. That dude carrying the rifle did nothing wrong. I don't, I don't like antifa. But he's allowed to open carry.

Mary Morgan (98:40)

I don't think that's allowed on a campus though.

Tim Pool (98:42)

Campus. I understand. That's why I'm saying like.

Mary Morgan (98:44)

And he's clearly doing it to menace other people.

Tim Pool (98:46)

This guy carrying that rifle video that. How is he menacing anybody's? Not pointing at anybody.

Mary Morgan (98:51)

What is he doing coming home from class and just randomly has a rifle in his.

Tim Pool (98:55)

What if it's an air rifle he got? What's it, Daisy? Like we can't tell what that is. Yeah, it could be a BB gun. Right. That's why I'm saying, like we see all these videos of the cops running and freaking out and it may be like someone posted the video. Everybody panicked. A bunch of reports started coming in. Cuz everyone's freaking out. And then it's possible. I'm not saying this is not shelter in place. Take it seriously. But it may turn out this guy, like the next gate, the next day is like, was that because of me?

John Reed (99:19)

I mean, there are parts of the country where that would not freak people out.

Tim Pool (99:22)

That's my point.

Mary Morgan (99:23)

You have to be autistic to not know.

Tim Pool (99:25)

No, absolutely not. In. In North Carolina, in Florida, in Virginia. In Virginia, you can buy a break. A break action 22 air rifle pellet gun that looks just like that. And if you're, if you're walking around with it, no one's gonna get. You could walk into a Walmart and buy one and walk out with it over your shoulder.

John Reed (99:42)

But you would think this guy, if he's at all aware of what's going on, if, if he means no harm, would put it in a case or would make sure that it's.

Mary Morgan (99:51)

Yeah. If he has any social decorum and you know what.

John Reed (99:55)

And fear for his own safety.

Mary Morgan (99:56)

He's walking gay. I'm just gonna say it. Everyone's thinking it. He was walking gay.

Tim Pool (100:03)

Let's see. It's. It's. It's an open carry state and it is a permit. You need a concealed carry license for concealed carry. So for. For long guns, you can open carry. He's not doing anything wrong.

Mary Morgan (100:18)

I doubt that's allowed on campus, though.

Tim Pool (100:21)

It is in Utah. Even where we look this up where, Where Charlie Kirk got shot. You can open carry rifles.

Mary Morgan (100:29)

Yeah, I just. I doubt that that's allowed on UNC Wilmington's campus.

Tim Pool (100:34)

Let's find out.

Phil Labonte (100:37)

I mean, look, that they've got a shelter in place.

Tim Pool (100:39)

Order.

Phil Labonte (100:39)

Were there people shot or were there shots that were heard or was.

John Reed (100:43)

It is prohibited on the campus. Yeah, most campuses probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, so he's making a statement of some kind, right? Assuming he wasn't trying to threaten someone. He's making some sort of statement, bro.

Mary Morgan (100:56)

Thought that was tough.

Tim Pool (100:57)

And it didn't.

John Reed (100:58)

It ain't gonna work out for him.

Mary Morgan (100:59)

No.

John Reed (101:01)

One way or another.

Phil Labonte (101:02)

No. I mean, look, all I saw is.

Mary Morgan (101:05)

That one person had been taken into custody, but I mean, look outdated now.

Tim Pool (101:09)

The fact that, okay, exemptions do exist. Instructional supplies, tools for instruction, maintenance, weapon use for educational or school sanctioned ceremonial purposes or in school approved programs.

Phil Labonte (101:23)

So.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (101:24)

So it's likely an unkosher rifle on campus, right?

Tim Pool (101:29)

Yep. I'll. I'll put it like this. This is what a civil war would look like. And I, I think people don't. Again, I've said it over and over again this past week because of the severity of what's going on, but. Yeah, you can't open carry on that campus and a video comes out of a guy. And honestly, we don't even know if that's at uncw, to be completely honest. Maybe the people who are there do. But for me watching this video, I have no idea. You get videos of police running, you get reports of a 22 year old threatening to make bombs. You get reports of a congressional staffer being immolated saying I don't want to die. And they're saying we'll release a report later. No signs of foul play. You get stories like this all the time. That's what it looks like. This is what's scary. So we are. We are. Absolutely. This is a civil strife period. Charlie Kirk was just assassinated, so we are in civil strife. The security stuff that I'm having to deal with is nuts. And I just, I don't see, I don't see any meaningful path towards going.

John Reed (102:26)

Back except tough leaders who start enforcing law. That's the only thing.

Tim Pool (102:29)

We're not going back. You don't even have that one. It already. When Trump said antifa's terrorists, what were their response? Yeah, they said Trump's making it illegal to fight fascism and they're mobilizing.

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Phil Labonte (104:06)

Be shown if you look at the, the response from the left, if you try to be, you know, a law and order president, say this is, we're going to do these things because they're breaking the law, etc, the response is, he's a fascist, he's a Nazi. We have to stop this because next thing you know they're going to have train cars and there's going to be camps and blah, blah. They were calling Alligator Alcatraz a camp, you know, because. Oh, look.

John Reed (104:25)

But it's what the immigration thing is working though. The self deportation is not saying you're wrong. Yeah.

Phil Labonte (104:31)

What I'm saying is the left is going to respond in a hyperbolic way.

Tim Pool (104:35)

They did. They killed Charlie Kirk.

Phil Labonte (104:36)

Yeah, exactly. So the More.

John Reed (104:37)

That's certainly true.

Phil Labonte (104:38)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (104:39)

And they're calling for more death. This wasn't, this wasn't a sobering moment for leftists and liberals. It was a green light. And that's what I was saying. So periodically while we do these shows, if those don't know, I'm constantly going through Twitter looking for breaking news. That's why I'm finding the breaking news stuff. And I'm seeing posts from liberals that I know that are justifying even right now, Charlie Kirk's murder. How am I supposed to talk to these people?

John Reed (105:01)

Yeah, well, that's true.

Tim Pool (105:02)

They're posting videos saying MAGA is a cult. Don't trust them. They're all wrong. And I'm like, it is crazy that people like Destiny. He's lying discernibly and manipulatively. Politics Girl made a video where she said he came from a conservative background. That was an intentional manipulation because she knows we already knew that, but that he was living with a trans lover. That's the place reported that he said that he couldn't negotiate with Charlie Kirk's hate. And so while I certainly don't blindly trust that Those messages are 100% true, it looks like they may have someone fabricated something. The point is, all available evidence indicates this person is left aligned. Why would Politics Girl intentionally lie? Why would you say the engravings were just markings from a manufacturer? She knows she's lying. There's no way. No way. And then I have to deal with liberals that I've known for decades believing that and telling me I'm in the cult and I deserve to die. Or that they say, well, look, the people that are saying you should die are just angry. And I'm like, shut your mouth. There is no going back when. When I know there are people that I've known for 20 years posting video saying Charlie deserved it. I don't know where we go from there. These are people that I played Tony Hawk's pro state or two with over Christmas and they are posting that my friend should have died. Or the crazy ones that Trump killed him on purpose to justify an expansion of a fascist state. There's no reasoning with a lunatic who's gone off the deep end. And I am not talking about leftists. I am talking about a run of the mill default lib in Chicago who doesn't know up from down in the political world. And if you said what a Supreme Court justice meant, they'd be like, when we win the ruling, that's the level of politics I'm talking about. And they are saying Charlie Kirk deserved it. How am I supposed to talk to people like that? I don't see how we're going back.

Phil Labonte (106:50)

That's the point. Like the, the fact that you can't talk to people. Like they say, well, you know, you want to bring the temperature down. And fine, that sounds great, right, but how do you bring the temperature down when the other side doesn't want to talk about it, doesn't want to listen to your opinion. And when you do say your opinion, someone like Charlie, Charlie Kirk, who is incredibly moderate, he was a normie Republican with very boring normal religious views, stuff that's not in any way extreme. They call you all these horrible names, they make up lies about what you say, they take your, they take your statements out of context. You can't reach a place where conversation is possible. And again, this guy, this normie conservative guy was murdered because they thought that he was too extreme. So how do you get, get people to come to the table to talk when they're specifically refusing to have any.

Tim Pool (107:40)

Kind of dialogue, when default libs are saying, yeah, well he was a racist and they're standing in the street saying he was a racist to justify it. When Jimmy Kimmel is going on ABC and saying it was MAGA that did it and Trump, look how he mourns and mocks it. And then Jimmy Kimmel says, cuz this is all over the, all over X right now, that he was going to blame MAGA and double down on this. I'm just like, the only reason to.

John Reed (108:06)

Have hope, the only reason is that there have been some consequences for that bad behavior this time. Some people have lost their jobs, some people have said, you know what, this crosses the line some. I mean, I'm honestly, I'm surprised that there's been that level of consequence.

Tim Pool (108:25)

But what does that Mean to. To. To somebody who's living under the fear of death. Death.

John Reed (108:29)

You mean to you or to me as a candidate?

Tim Pool (108:31)

Or to all of us.

John Reed (108:33)

I mean that.

Tim Pool (108:33)

I don't.

John Reed (108:34)

I don't feel better about it.

Tim Pool (108:35)

Any old lady who wants to go to a Trump rally.

John Reed (108:38)

Oh, yeah, but we've known. This has been the problem. We didn't discipline. We didn't discipline these people who harassed the people who were standing in line to go to the Trump rally back in 2016.

Tim Pool (108:48)

But.

John Reed (108:48)

What, 17, right.

Tim Pool (108:49)

So let me. Let me ask you a question. I hear what you're saying. If a dog takes a dump on your floor and then you come back later and the dog runs up to you, all happy, and then you grab it by the collar and you yell at it, will that teach the dog not to poop on the floor?

John Reed (109:06)

You go, put their face.

Tim Pool (109:07)

Exactly. The dog has to know why you're yelling at it.

John Reed (109:10)

Right.

Tim Pool (109:11)

What happens if the dog doesn't understand? The dog will do it again. Right.

John Reed (109:16)

If he doesn't understand. That's why you got to make it clear. And that's what we have failed to do for a dog.

Tim Pool (109:21)

We can't, because we are not talking about the simplicity of animals. We are talking about liberals. When you say, hey, you can't advocate death, they go, look, I told you this would happen. This proves it. Trump's a fascist. It's my free speech and politics girl. And Kyle Kalinsky and Hasan and Destiny are lying. So it's not just that you're taking the dog and saying, look what you did. Bad dog. It is more complex than that, where someone else is simultaneously saying, I warned you that would happen. It wasn't actually that you made the mess. It's that I told you he was going to hit you because he hates you.

John Reed (109:55)

This is why you got to be engaged. And you are, and I am, and other people are to try to counter that false narrative.

Tim Pool (110:03)

And you can't. Yeah.

John Reed (110:04)

I mean, you've. You just don't think there's any turning back. I think they need to, intellectually, they.

Mary Morgan (110:09)

Need to feel pain. And the pain that will be inflicted on them is social ostracization, penalizing them with freedom of association. We're already seeing that the default, it's actually a mercy that we're giving to them, that we're not meeting them, meeting their cruelty with more cruelty. And those are matters within our own hands, that we don't have to wait for leaders to show up.

John Reed (110:32)

And I would just say enforce the law. That's what I would say.

Tim Pool (110:35)

Yes. And that's not going to stop default libs from posting on Instagram that Charlie deserved it and you should die. That's not going to stop it. So what you are saying is correct, Mary. There's a problem there. The far left will. Far left. They're not gonna change. They are cognizant of what they are doing. They are intentionally lying. So this idea of punishing them or ostracizing them won't change the fact you can try and censor them. They're gonna double down because they have a political mission. And that political mission won't stop with being silenced. It's true for people on the right. You silence Alex Jones. He's not going away. He's something he believes in. The issue is you gotta get default libs to stop posting that Charlie was a racist and deserved it. But they were allowed to. They were allowed to express an opinion even if it's wrong. The actual solution would be, to some degree for normies to be told, you can't post misinformation. Right. Well, we saw what happened with the Trump administration. They tried that against conservatives and it didn't work. They tried it every way up from down. They even banned parlor off the app stores for fake reasons to make sure conservatives could not organize. And none of it ever worked. So I do not believe doing the same thing to the left is going to change anything they do. If you go to a default lib and they say something like, Charlie was racist, so you ban them for misinformation, they'll go to Blue sky, they'll go to Mastodon. They will show up in person to the activist event and say, you were right, they're fascists. They banned me for my opinion. That's why I do not. I look at it like this. And everything I do in business and everything that I do with the products I work on is a mathematical equation. And so one example is, let's just take a look at the size of Tim Cast, the scale of the business, the work that I do. I work extremely hard and I calculate and I plan ahead. And so I can dodge the manipulative enforcement. I can navigate how they try to silence and censor, but I can also do the math to hire people, grow the business. Calculating in such a way, where do we got to put money to make this business grow and succeed? And the ancillary projects, how can we make the inverted world bigger? Pop culture crisis. And the boonies. And the boonies is doing it has now seen tremendous Growth with the events we're doing. I'm particularly good, nowhere near the best. I'm actually near the bottom. There's a, there's a list of people who are pretty good at running a business. I'm near the bottom, but still pretty good. And when I look at everything that's going on in the world and I look to make predictions and I say, what am I predicting? What is the mathematical equation and where does it end up? There's a reason why I'm not in the city anymore. And isn't it the correct decision based on where we are today, that I left the city and came out to the middle of nowhere, considering the fact that we have security gates, armed guards, and other security issues that I'm not going to bring up? Certainly that calculation was a correct one. Me doing this show from the city as I was before is a huge mistake. And that's just one calculation that I've made in how do I effectively do this based on what we're going to see happen happening? My, my view of this right now is I have laid out as many variables as I can and I do not see a mathematical equation that de. Radicalizes the left.

Mary Morgan (113:34)

Well, you're, you're correct that the way we're penalizing them now by calling their jobs whatever social ostracization, that doesn't change the matter of what's in their heart and what's in their conscience because it didn't work on the right when the right was being silenced, censored and oppressed. It actually, if anything, strengthen their beliefs and radicalize them further to the right.

Tim Pool (113:58)

So we can't we getting the left fired. And all the stuff that's happening with Charlie Kirk may feel really good because we're in a culture war, but it's entrenching the left and it's being used as cannon fodder by the far left and antifa to rally and recruit. And it's going to actually turn more default libs. So what I'm seeing among the liberal cohort, cohort of the thousands of people I have on Facebook, the average person has no idea about Tucker or Roseanne or any of these things because they don't follow conservative circles. The only information they get is what's filtered to them through the lying liberal pundits. Now that Jimmy Kimmel has been fired, what are they being told? The FCC under Trump forced ABC to fire Jimmy Kimmel for criticizing him, and they believe it. So when people start losing their jobs, they go, oh my God, they Were right. Trump's a fascist. And when you try to go to them and say, can I show you the news articles that debunk all of this and break it down for you? They go, they warned me. You try and lie. They told me the fascists would come and try and lie to me. That proves it. And I've personally experienced this. I was in San Bernardino, and there were Trump supporters on one corner of the street and antifa leftists on the other side of the street. And I was. This was back. This is 2016, I think 2015, maybe. I think it was 16. I crossed the street to the antifa side, and there's people standing around wearing black. And I said, hey, how's it going, guys? Do you mind if I talk to you, like, some of you about what you're protesting? And then some guy goes, oh, yeah, we're here. Immediately, one of the facilitators goes, mic check. And they all in unison yell, mic check. And then the person goes. They do mic check like five times. Mic check, mic check, mic check. And then all of a sudden, you're not talking anymore. And they go, do not. And then everyone repeats, do not talk to talk to reporters. Reporters. They will. They will lie to you. Lie to you. To trick you. To trick you. And then I'm sitting there like, did anybody want to talk? And they're like, get out of here, man. And I was like, what the just happened? Every. You've seen it Totally.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (115:59)

Many times.

Tim Pool (116:00)

It's a death trial.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (116:01)

Common.

Tim Pool (116:02)

So when we try to talk to these people. Now, don't get me wrong, I know there are people watching the show and have watched so said, you know, I watched your videos, and I got woken up to what was going on. I don't think that it's fruitless, but I seriously feel like it's probably 2 to 4% of the country. And so it's worth doing and we'll keep doing it.

John Reed (116:19)

And I appreciate 2 to 4% of the country that's influenced by you, that's.

Tim Pool (116:23)

Capable of being, like, made aware of the lies.

John Reed (116:27)

You think more than 50% of the country is lost in this mess?

Tim Pool (116:32)

Yes. And I think the polling. How many people voted for Kamala Harris?

John Reed (116:35)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (116:36)

No.

John Reed (116:36)

Voting may be different in the culture.

Tim Pool (116:38)

But after everything we saw, after everything we saw, by all means, you can argue that Kamala got 10 million extra votes. Whatever. Don't care. Call it 60 million votes. After COVID lockdowns, after Fauci's lies, after. You gotta wear two masks now. Two masks. People believed all this and they still voted for her. And they still to this day maintain those positions. That is the hyper polarization of the country. They're in two different distinct ways, worlds. You know what, you guys talk for a second. I'm gonna try and find a video.

Mary Morgan (117:07)

Well, I also wanted to mention that there are people on the left who still have a conscience and humanity left and they are being absolutely dragged right now by their own side, including the man who was in the middle of dialogue with Charlie when he was shot. He made a tick tock after the fact, talking about the fact that ironically he was trying to argue with Charlie about how the left is nonviolent and he unequivocally, of course, condemned the murder.

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Mary Morgan (119:03)

He didn't even qualify his statement or anything and they have just absolutely dragged him over the coals for for saying that. And then also another girl who debated Charlie in a jubilee video. It was like the Biggest clip that got farmed off of that.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (119:22)

They're all just cloud chasing.

Tim Pool (119:23)

Yeah.

Mary Morgan (119:23)

She made a tick tock as well, condemning the murder. And she didn't qualify her statement or excuse it or downplay it or celebrate it certainly. And they're like, oh, she's not down with the cause. You know, we, we can't trust her. She's. She's not really down with the revolution. So that's what's happening right now.

John Reed (119:42)

That's the question. Which is the majority.

Tim Pool (119:45)

So the majority. Remarkable. This was so easy to find. Here's the video. Watch the audio is pretty bad on this one. Why is the audio so bad on this one? Let me try and find a better one. You guys keep talking. This video, it's thousands of people in a park holding up their hands, chanting, chanting about how racist they are. Are. These are conservatives.

Mary Morgan (120:20)

Don't do this sea of white skin.

Tim Pool (120:22)

Yeah, let me see if I can find better audio because I just gotta.

John Reed (120:26)

Hope that that's not the. That the crazies are not the majority. You get manipulated by the minority. No question.

Phil Labonte (120:33)

But, but it doesn't matter if it's the majority or not. All that matters is there's enough like 3 or 4% of the population can destroy.

John Reed (120:44)

That is certainly true.

Tim Pool (120:45)

True.

Phil Labonte (120:45)

So absolutely it doesn't matter if there's a majority. It just depends on how many are actually motivated to take action. I mean it wasn't most of America in the streets during 2020, but there was enough where there was billions of dollars of damage. And for the vast majority of the people that were in the streets, they weren't even engaging in the violent actions. There was maybe 10% that were.

John Reed (121:10)

That's why I'm saying you got to have leaders who will say, doesn't matter whether I agree with you or not. You are not going to get away do this. You're not going to allow this to happen.

Phil Labonte (121:21)

To your point, you got to have way more prisons because you need to put the people that actually will act into jail. So you have to take them off the streets. You can't have people that will engage in revolutionary activities like that. You have to take them out of the public. You have to take them off the streets. They can't be free because they're literally trying to destroy your society.

John Reed (121:43)

We did that for 10 years.

Tim Pool (121:44)

Years.

John Reed (121:45)

If we were tough for 10 years under the current law, don't have to change it. Enforce the current law harshly, I think you would see a cultural change. Maybe a little late, but I think we could still save this.

Phil Labonte (121:56)

I'd love to agree with you, but the problem is, Karen, the problem is, is awfuls. Affluent, white, upper class, liberal women, they will see people getting arrested and then they will vote for whatever they have to vote for to end it and then those people will be put back on the streets. You have, you have DAs and you have judges that won't put people in jail right now. So I agree with you. But your prescription requires not just a president or governors or what have you, you need an entire revamping of the justice system and you have to get rid of people that think that restorative justice is a good idea.

John Reed (122:37)

Oh, no question.

Phil Labonte (122:38)

All of that stuff.

John Reed (122:39)

That's why I'm hopeful that it's if, if Trump. Let's just take D.C. for example. I, I had a place in D.C. for 12 years. I watched the bars come off the apartments when things were getting better and then I watched the bars go back on because people started to get attacked again. And I'm hoping that the average person, especially these affluent people who bought expensive condos and thought it was so much fun to walk around drunk at 2:00 in the morning in D.C. and now can't do that, are going to be glad. You're like, I hate Trump. But, but thank God he's kind of cracked down on the bad guys who were trying to rob me and carjack me and break into my house. And then am I stupid for thinking maybe they'll change their vote?

Phil Labonte (123:19)

I mean, like maybe I would. I, I agree with you, but the task at this point has become so monumental and there are people that are not plugged in politically. They're not aware, they don't, they don't deal with this stuff on a day to day basis. And I'm skeptical as to if we can actually get the kind of changes in, not just in the leadership, but in the justice system, in DA's and in judges that will actually solve the problem.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (123:49)

So a little off topic, but Mary, I'm just dying to know because we were kind of talking about it earlier when we were talking about Mr. Reid, not this. Could you vote for a gay candidate? And like, why or why not?

Mary Morgan (124:04)

Well, look, you don't have to worry about me. I don't live in Virginia, so you don't need my vote. But I did say that I wouldn't be uncomfortable voting for a gay candidate. Yes, I, I said that and I stand by that.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (124:17)

And why do you feel that way?

Mary Morgan (124:20)

You know, you asked me what my reasoning was and I Told you quite bluntly. Don't know if I have a very sophisticated reasoned explanation for it.

John Reed (124:28)

It was faith based for you?

Mary Morgan (124:30)

Well, yes, it's also sort of an instinctual, like disgust factor.

Tim Pool (124:35)

But she does represent.

Mary Morgan (124:38)

Okay, and then you blaspheme.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (124:41)

I was saying Jesus, Jesus Christ, like a good thing.

Mary Morgan (124:43)

Oh, okay, look, it's not relevant to what we're discussing right now. I think that we should stay on topic. And what I wanted to point out before you brought that up is that to what Phil was saying, it's actually not as slim of a minority as 3 or 4% that we're talking about. And I think that's what's been clarified for a lot of people through their own day to day interactions. The revolutionary family members with their friends, with their co workers and acquaintances. Rather than a fringe element that you only find online or at protests, they're realizing that their flesh and blood family members or their closest friends, people they've known for decades in some cases are part of that. Maybe it's not even a minority. Maybe it's not. I know you're coming at it from a more hopeful perspective that the majority is, is normal people who don't want this, but I'm not so sure.

John Reed (125:44)

I'm not sure either. But I have some hope that there have been people who have stood up after Charlie Kirk is assassinated for sitting in a chair and talking to people and have said, oh my God, that crosses the line. Thank goodness there's still people who think that crosses the line. Seems so obvious to. I mean, clearly there are some people who are making excuses. The other thing that I think is good, if anything good comes out of this, is that Charlie Kirk created a body of work which is available online. And I get the impression, I mean, you know, everybody's Facebook feed or TikTok feed is different, but I get the impression a lot of people are seeking that out to understand who he was and what he talked about. Was it crazy? Was it extreme? And I, I've got to believe that the average person, even if they're a big lib or a, or consider themselves to be a leftist, seeing an assassination and then looking at why he was assassinated hypothetically will sober some people up. Like, this is wrong. This, this is just not right, I think.

Mary Morgan (126:50)

But even that gruesome footage of the assassination doesn't really have the impact that it ought to because we see gruesome events on social media. That's true nearly constantly.

John Reed (127:03)

That's true. And that 30 or 40 years ago this would have been mind blowing, shocking.

Tim Pool (127:09)

And now it's another thing.

Mary Morgan (127:10)

It's not just young people who are chronically online that are responding in these extreme ways. I've been thinking more about the boomers who are responding to this and celebrating, ridiculing, downplaying, excusing. I think really the the mask that default Libs are where are wearing right now to cater to leftists is going at the gun control angle with this. A lot of boomers do not understand the impact that this event has had and is going to have going forward because they grew up in a high trust society. And I saw Charlie Sheen comparing this to our generation's JFK moment and it's not that at all because as you pointed out earlier in the country after JFK's assassination, for better or for worse.

Tim Pool (128:05)

We had let's map out this week's.

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Mary Morgan (129:32)

Year models may be shown Centralized mass media people were unified in recognizing the gravity of that event and mourning the loss of that leader and there is no comparison today with Decentralized media and social media.

John Reed (129:50)

It's more than I thought it would be.

Mary Morgan (129:51)

And the spiritual rot that has taken place since then.

Tim Pool (129:54)

This, this. I apologize for missing super chats. I really do. This took me a really long time to find because it's 237weeks ago on my Instagram, but I'll try playing it for you now. About racism, anti blackness or violence, I.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (130:17)

Will use my voice in the most uplifting way possible.

Tim Pool (130:21)

It's a cult. Here's thousands of people chanting a religious ideology back to their proselytizer. There is no way in any meaningful course of action these people will be convinced they're in a cult. That's cults. And the cult is the size of their social media. So when I talk about the default libs and I go to my friend and I show them this video and say, this is a cult. They're going to go, what are you talking about? I do that. What's wrong with it? And you're going to be like, holy crap. And then when you say, let me show you a news article that proves what you think is not correct, they'll say, say, they told me you'd say that. In order to break someone out of a cult, you remove them physically from the cult. That's the first thing you do. So if someone's in, you have to remove them from it. You can't remove people from a digital cult. They believe insane fake things. They sit in parks with their hands up chanting. I, I gotta be honest. Prayer. I understand churches depending on your religion and Christian religion, your, your, your prayers are to something beyond. These people are praying to other people. That's a cult. So I'll try and grab some of your chance and rants, chats and rants. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Follow me on Exit Instagram. Join our Discord server. I apologize. I just thought it was extremely important to show that video because I'm hoping that there are some people we're going to see how psychotic this cult is and go, whoa, that is a cult. And that's why that video was so important. I had to dig through my Instagram and it loads like nine videos at a time. I had to go back 237 weeks to get there. So anyway, I'll just try and grab two or three because we do need to go to the uncensored portion. All right, let's see. Hans 1P cases I posted in Discord. Live stream of Jimmy protest outside theater. They are recycling signs and protesters. Interesting Same old man says, do you have any idea why Tucker is going off the deep end with the whole blaming Israel and the Jews like Candace is doing? Why? Using Charlie Kirk? I don't like how they're using Kirk like that. I will just say it is very, very weird in that Candace and Tucker seem to have inverted their political views in a short amount of time. That's it. Not all of their views, but like within the span of a couple years, their political views are very different. Even Tucker is now, I think, defending Jimmy Kimmel.

Phil Labonte (132:48)

Is he really?

Tim Pool (132:49)

Oh, well, for something about free speech, I didn't actually see it. So that's why I'm always careful to criticize because, you know, he was a.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (132:55)

Worse neocon than me at one point. Tucker Carlson yeah.

Tim Pool (132:59)

All right, we'll just grab one here.

Phil Labonte (133:01)

Are you admitting that being a neocon is bad?

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (133:02)

Well, I'm saying it is in a tongue in cheek way, but yeah, he was. He was all in on the Iraq war, I believe.

Tim Pool (133:08)

Yep. David Bricken says this is for everyone. I hope Sunday turns into a global event of love and compassion. I hope Sunday turns into one of the biggest memorials in the world. Show these people that they've awoken a Charlie Kirk in all of us. Do it for Charlie. Right on. All right, everybody, we're gonna go to that uncensored members only portion of the show. So join our discord server@timcast.com click join us. Also join Rumble Premium. The first few minutes will be a free preview and then we switch over. So go to rumble.com timcast irl the show will continue. Follow me on X and Instagram. John, did you want to shout anything out?

John Reed (133:40)

Yeah. John reedforvirginia.com is my website to track this campaign that starts tomorrow and ends on November 4th in Virginia.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (133:49)

Awesome. We'll be on the lookout for that election. Early voting starts tomorrow. Thanks for putting up with my question. Asking for a bit. I don't think it was too bad.

John Reed (133:56)

It has been great.

Eliyahu (White House Correspondent) (133:57)

Thanks for tuning in everybody. I am a lot Eliyahu the White House correspondent here. I won't be here early next week because it will be the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah. So so shout not to vahu those who celebrate. And don't miss me too much out there. Find me on social media under lot Eliyahu Mary.

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Tim Pool (134:38)

We will see you all@rumble.com Timcast IRL for the uncensored portion of the show. Thanks for hanging out, Sam.