Karmelo Anthony GUILTY OF MURDER, Belfast Anti-Migrant RIOTS w/ Alex Stein

Summary

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Timcast IRL - June 10, 2026

Episode: Karmelo Anthony GUILTY OF MURDER, Belfast Anti-Migrant RIOTS w/ Alex Stein

Main Theme:
The episode dissects two major, racially and politically charged stories: the Carmelo Anthony murder conviction and the Belfast anti-migrant riots, exploring their broader implications for race relations, civil unrest, political polarization, and American/British institutions.

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1. Introduction: Layered Crisis (00:47)

• Tim Pool sets the agenda:
  • Carmelo Anthony convicted of first-degree murder in a high-profile stabbing case.
  • Prediction and analysis of potential racial unrest following this verdict.
  • Simultaneous, violent anti-migrant riots erupting in Belfast, spreading into broader UK.
  • Accusations of election “cheating” and the mechanisms making it possible.
• Framing:
  Both cases are seen as symbolic flashpoints for deeper cultural divisions and systemic failures in the West.

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2. Carmelo Anthony Murder Verdict: Breakdown & Race Relations (07:17–34:38)

The Case Summary

• Carmelo Anthony fatally stabbed Austin Metcalfe at a Texas high school track meet.
  • Pool: “He drew his knife, unfolded it, prepared it before there was any conflict…stabbed him in the heart, killing him. This was just murder.” (00:47)
  • Jury deliberated only for hours; unanimous first-degree murder conviction.
  • No ambiguity in witness testimony—Anthony was the only aggressive party.

Notable Commentary

• Social Reaction:

  • Limited physical protests, but significant online racial activism and debate.
  • Alex Stein jokingly demands “Free Carmelo Anthony”—then immediately admits the case was obvious and just (“Who brings a knife to a track meet?” —11:54).
  • Pool highlights activists defending Anthony along racial lines, regardless of facts: “He’s one of ours, so we’ll protect our own...” (08:09)
  • Pool: “Racial tensions in this country are worse than it’s ever been in my lifetime.” (11:54)

• Weapon Discussion & Self-Defense Law:

  • Debate over legality of knife possession at school—Pool distinguishes between legality of possession and use (12:05–14:30).
  • Phil Labonte: “It wasn’t illegal for him to have it…But the idea that this is a self-defense case, everything…totally destroys that argument…You have to have reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death.” (14:02)
  • Anthony’s actions did not meet any self-defense threshold.

• Race, Riots & Social Media:

  • Will there be George Floyd-style unrest?
    • Pool: “With George Floyd, there was video…In this instance, there’s no video...if they riot over this, that means every one of us will have that narrative.” (18:35)
  • Matt Walsh quote via Pool: “Riots are not organic…They’re organized.” (17:30)
  • Consensus: Large, 2020-scale unrest unlikely for this case due to lack of controversial footage, different social/political circumstances, and heat.

• Verdict & Sentencing:

  • BREAKING: Sentence delivered live—35 years.
    • Alex Stein: “I said 40. I was close.” (33:54)
    • Pool: “That’s higher than I thought…This is pretty intense.” (34:00)
    • Consensus: Anthony would have “walked” in a more liberal jurisdiction; Texas culture/venue matter.

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3. Race, Rhetoric, and Political Polarization (20:10–46:49)

• “As long as you don’t touch me” banner:

  • Pool: “You cannot use a knife on someone’s heart because they touch you.” (20:10)

• Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman, and Media Manipulation:

  • Media’s role in stoking false racial narratives; NBC accused of “doctoring” audio to create racial angle (25:14–27:58).
  • Alex Stein: “Zimmerman is a Jewish last name, but I’ll just leave that.” (27:57)

• Constitution, American Identity & State Rights:

  • Long, nuanced debate on what the Constitution “meant,” interpretations of state vs. federal rights, historic Christian identity of America, and how America’s legal framework is eroded (37:46–52:59).
  • Tim Pool: “There is no such thing as a Constitution. What constitutes the people...is largely defunct at this point.” (37:46)
  • Discussion on how, post-Civil War, state sovereignty eroded and federal power dominated.

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4. Belfast Anti-Migrant Riots: Europe’s Boiling Point (54:02–62:29)

• Riots triggered by gruesome knife attack by a Sudanese migrant in Belfast; rumors of dozens of buildings burned, mobs in black setting checkpoints.

  • Pool: “I have not seen anything like this in a long, long time…” (00:47)
  • Visuals: Pool shows “unverified but credible” videos of mob violence, arson, and vigilante action.
  • Context: Ireland’s recent history (“The Troubles”), nationalistic tradition, and lack of “melting pot” culture cited as fuel for reaction.

• Broader pattern across the UK:

  • Sister events in Glasgow and elsewhere—Europe-wide frustration with mass migration and perceptions of government prioritizing migrants over natives.

• Cultural Assimilation Debate:

  • Alex Stein: “Immigration without assimilation is an invasion. That’s what’s happening now in America.” (59:38)
  • Pool: “This is not the American body politic. They don’t respect your Constitution.” (59:51)

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5. Political System Gaming & Election Cheating (74:58–91:01)

• California Ballot Harvesting & “Legal Fraud”:

  • Pool accuses Democrats of “codifying fraud” via activist-run ballot collection, assisted voting, and institutional support (“They are cheating and this is evil.” —76:59).
  • Live playthrough of James O’Keefe undercover video showing activists paying homeless people to register/sign for elections and petitions (78:15–85:20).

• Upcoming SCOTUS Decision (Watson v. RNC):

  • Major ruling expected soon on prohibition of mail-in voting, early voting, and vote counting after Election Day.
  • Potential to transform U.S. elections—if upheld, Pool claims, “California will turn red…Democrats never win again unless they dramatically moderate.” (75:01–76:58)

• Strategic litigation:

  • Mississippi allegedly “throwing” the case to SCOTUS to ensure federal conservative precedent, per Pool (87:27).

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6. Racial & Generational Politics: The Coming White Identity Moment (62:40–73:23)

• Rise of “white racial consciousness” in Gen Z/Alpha:
  • Pool warns: “We are about to have…white identitarian politics the likes of which the Left cannot comprehend.” (62:40)
  • Social media and meme culture are fueling a backlash; references to internet personalities (Gypsy Crusader, Nick Fuentes) whose content is rapidly growing in reach.
  • Pool: “Young people are…watching what’s happening in Ireland, watching the Carmelo Anthony stuff. We warned about this.”
  • Labonte: “You’re going to see a lot of people looking at being called racist and just not going to care anymore.” (72:26)
  • The demographic, cultural, and economic power of these future political actors is explored in depth (see Nick Fuentes commentary —70:40+).

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7. Pop Culture, Gender, and Child Transitioning (93:49–101:45)

• Transgender issues in Hollywood families:

  • Pool, Stein, and Labonte discuss rumors and specifics about celebrities adopting/transing children (Charlize Theron, Angelina Jolie, etc.), critiquing Hollywood “luxury beliefs.”
  • Pool: “It comes off like mad scientist horror movie stuff…” (97:21)

• Nature vs. nurture:

  • Labonte and Pool push back on social constructionist narratives regarding gender, using classic John Money case as evidence.
  • Labonte: “If you’re a boy, you are a boy.” (99:49)
  • Pool: Leftists even use this case to argue for transgender identity as innate.

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8. Bonus: The Meaning & Manipulation of Power (115:34–128:33)

• Personal Experiences & Principles:

  • Pool shares a personal falling out with a progressive celebrity friend (Milana Vayntrub/Lily from AT&T), highlighting how many on the left treat political disagreement as a personal betrayal.
  • “The response they give is, you have defied our orthodoxy. You are now our enemy.” (120:53)
  • Contrasted with those who disagree but maintain personal relationships (shout-out to Brian Shapiro).

• The Right vs. the Left on Power:

  • Curtis Yarvin quote:
    • “The Right treats power like a wine snob treats alcohol, and Democrats treat power the way an alcoholic treats alcohol.” (121:27)
  • Pool sees the right as on a “quest for truth,” the left as on a “desperate” quest for power.

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9. Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “He drew his knife, unfolded it, prepared it before there was any conflict…stabbed him in the heart, killing him. This was just murder.” (Tim Pool, 00:47)
• “Who brings a knife to a track meet?” (Alex Stein, 11:54)
• “Riots are not organic…They’re organized.” (Pool citing Matt Walsh, 17:30)
• “The right treats power like a wine snob treats alcohol. And Democrats treat power the way an alcoholic treats alcohol.” (Pool, quoting Curtis Yarvin, 121:27)
• “As long as you don’t touch me, we cool.” (On protest banners, 20:10)
• “Immigration without assimilation is an invasion. That’s what’s happening now in America.” (Alex Stein, 59:38)
• “We are about to have…white identitarian politics the likes of which the Left cannot comprehend.” (Tim Pool, 62:40)

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10. Other Key Moments & Timestamps

• Carmelo Anthony verdict, sentencing reaction: 33:54
• Media manipulation—Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman discussion: 25:14–27:57
• Discussion of Texas’ legal process, cultural differences: 31:33–34:38
• Live reaction to O’Keefe’s Skid Row voter fraud video: 78:15–85:20
• Constitution and post-Civil War shift: 37:46–52:59
• Trans children in celebrity families: 93:49–101:45
• Personal stories about left/right friendships, shifting political culture: 120:53–128:33

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11. Tone and Style

• Direct, uncensored, highly conversational.
  • Frequent humor, sarcasm, and over-the-top moments (e.g., Stein’s satirical remarks on race/history).
  • “Hard-hitting” and polemic, but often introspective about the function and failures of institutions.

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12. Conclusion

• The episode ties together stories of violent crisis and institutional abuse in both the U.S. and U.K., arguing these are symptoms of deeper demographic, constitutional, and cultural shifts.
• Pool and guests warn of a coming “backlash”—with Gen Z/Alpha set to drive a new, unapologetically identity-based political era.
• Both skepticism and hope are shown: institutional confidence is at an all-time low, but Timcast’s independent community and the promise of legal/electoral reform are offered as remedies.

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For full details and additional nuance, specific segments are recommended per the timestamps above.

Transcript

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I want to be careful how to describe this because he didn't. Anthony stabbed him in the heart, killing him. This was just murder and he was convicted. And he began crying when they read out that verdict. Now outside, there was not a big, big crowd. So it's not like, you know, riots or anything, but fights did break out a little bit. Some people believe this will trigger massive riots around the country. But I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. However, this isn't the only story that's breaking right now. This is the biggest story domestically. Everybody wants to know about it. But across the pond over in Belfast, the riots have gotten so insane, my friends, I have not seen anything like this in a long, long time. Reports of potentially 90 plus buildings set on fire. Men wearing all black and masks setting migrant homes on fire, smashing out windows of refugees and illegal immigrants and migrants. Videos. There's a video of a black guy walking through the street blocking traffic. A guy just knocks him out and they start kicking him while he's down. There are videos of men in all black setting up checkpoints. Belfast is heating up and I think people need to understand there are many people alive today who fought in the Troubles. This, this ended in 1998. If you want to get nitpick, you can say it was much more intense in the late 80s, early 90s. But there were people who may be in their mid-50s to early 60s who literally fought in the Troubles and still hold the that Ireland for the Irish mentality. This all started when a Sudanese man used a steak knife from a kitchen. I'm sorry for those that are a little skirmish, but I got to explain this. To attempt to remove a man's head in public. Some say he may have even sawed this man's eyes out with the knife. That's how gruesome and brutal the attack was. And the riots are absolutely insane. I got to be honest, guys, we didn't actually know which to lead off with because the story developing in Ireland is absolutely shocking. In fact, we're seeing. We're seeing sister protests in Glasgow. I mean, people. It's not just in Ireland. People in the UK are fed up and it is escalating protests. Well, I should say, to clarify, it's not just in Northern Ireland, which is the uk, it's in other parts of the uk. So it's getting pretty intense. We're going to talk about that. Plus, guys, the Democrats cheated in California. Hey, we got the evidence of how they did it. We actually can show you the mechanisms they use to cheat the election. And some have argued this is what the media has been doing. When I say they cheat, I didn't say they committed anything illegal. I think they codified fraud. They made it legal, so it's a normal practice. And then Rolling Stone says, is fraud the only argument you have? Well, I never said it was fraud. I said you're cheating. 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[Alex Stein]

Well, I just want to say free Carmelo Anthony. I know that he stabbed a 17 year old in the heart, but slavery did exist him. And I think this is all due to slavery. If slavery wasn't a real thing, then Austin Metcalfe would still be alive today.

[Tim Pool]

We got a lot of analysis to break down on this one. I think it's going to get interesting because there's a lot of claims of Summer of Love coming up. And based on what we're seeing at Belfast, I think there's a big discussion about where we're going in terms of race. And I got to call it what it is. But I don't know if it's, if you describe it as like white racial awakening. But certainly there is a larger conversation with these Instagram videos, these TikTok videos. But we'll get into that. We got the boys hanging out.

[Brett Dastovich]

Hello, everybody. It seems like just yesterday that I was here.

[Tim Pool]

Might have actually been yesterday.

[Brett Dastovich]

Might have actually been yesterday. It's Brett. Normally I'm doing Pop Culture Crisis at Monday through Friday at 3pm Eastern. But I'm back and I'm glad to see all of you. How you doing, Phil?

[Phil Labonte]

What's up, everybody? My name is Phil Abonti. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. Carter.

[Tim Pool]

What's up, everyone? I'm Carter Banks and let's get into this. Here's the. Here's the latest news. The New York Post says Carmelo Anthony sobs as he's convicted of murder for stabbing Austin Metcalfe. And killer's angry supporters claim this whole thing has been racist. Now, this is where we currently are. I'll give you the quick gist. This is one of the first fastest court cases we've ever had to deal with. I mean, when you look at the Kyle Rittenhouse, I mean, we're living in suspense. For weeks, this case was what June 1st was jury selection. The jury deliberated for a couple of hours. It was clear day one of testimony. I was shocked. I didn't Think it was going to be so clear cut. I know everybody knows, everybody knows, but I didn't, I, I didn't think it was going to be so clear cut. Witnesses came out and said Carmelo Anthony grabbed the knife in his bag. He had opened it and prepared it before there was any conflict. He was, he was asked 15 times to leave the tent and he refused. He was holding the knife ready to use it before anybody made any gestures of potential physical that nobody was threatening him. He's holding a knife, he says, touch me and see what happens. Austin Metcalf, several witness said, told him, dude, he said, I'm not going to fight you at a track meet, dude. So apparently when you look at this big picture from all the witnesses, everybody under the tent was calm except for Carmelo, who wasn't supposed to be there, who witnesses said it was actually weird that he was there because no one's ever thought about going to another team's tent. He grabbed his backpack, reached in, grabbed the knife and unfolded it. Was holding it before there was any potential for a physical altercation. Was told he would not be fought. Finally and actually several witness said they were all warning other people to stay away from because he was grabbing a weapon. Austin Metcalf, according to witnesses, they believe. We don't know for sure, he approached him to push him out of the tent. The reason I say we don't know for sure is because according to witnesses, before Austin could even shove him, Carmelo pulled the knife and stabbed him directly in the heart. There was never a threat of force against him. His worst case scenario was that Austin was going to put his hand on his shoulder and push him out of the tent. That's not a threat of force or violence. That's barely even being escorted out. Carmelo decided to stab him in the heart and kill him. That's it. It was an open and shut case. The jury said first degree murder. Now this is where it gets interesting and this is where the conversation for us comes in. Outside, we have seen many of the black activists argue it's racist, he's innocent, he was backed into a corner. Or more importantly from Savannah, Savannah Hernandez, who saw the video where they said, we don't care. This woman said outright, he's one of ours, so we'll protect our own because they would do the same. Which brings us to this big question as it relates also to Ireland, which we'll get into a bit. Racial tensions in this country are worse and it all start than it's ever been in my opinion. Well, no, that's in my lifetime, I should say.

[Alex Stein]

Well, to be fair, because we. O.J. simpson trial, where everybody was supporting O.J. simpson. I think it's pretty obvious that he stabbed Nicole Brownson.

[Tim Pool]

Right. I just want to clarify. I was being hyperbolic. I certainly think civil rights era was way crazier, and Jim Crow and slavery and all that. I'm saying in my lifetime, it's worse than I've ever seen it. And it all started around when Obama got in and we got this DEI stuff in social media and all this woke stuff, and. And then you started getting, you know, this, like, I guess affirmative. Affirmative action policies were expanding. So where we are now is. Is the question of where are race relations heading in this country and will we see riots over this young man's conviction?

[Alex Stein]

Well, I just want to say this. I was joking, obviously, about the free Carmelo, and I think it was just obvious that he was gonna be found guilty because he brought a knife to attract meat. I mean, that's. You're guilty. I mean, who brings a knife to attract meat?

[Tim Pool]

I wanna pause on that one because this is where things got murky before the trial. You're allowed to carry a knife.

[Alex Stein]

I don't. To a school event. I don't know if you are.

[Tim Pool]

I think that was the only argument they made was that he was allowed to have the knife because it was less than three and a half. Yeah, right. But here's my point. I don't want to entertain a world where if I carry my gun, someone goes, why'd you bring a gun to the grocery store?

[Alex Stein]

I agree with that.

[Tim Pool]

But.

[Alex Stein]

But it's a little different when you're in high school and to a sporting event where Austin Metcalf pushed him. When you're playing football, you're playing basketball. Well, I'm saying whatever, but you get a little. You get a little. You push around a little. Sports are.

[Tim Pool]

This is why it's murder. Because he stabbed them for no reason.

[Alex Stein]

I agree.

[Tim Pool]

Here's. Here's what I want to avoid. Look, if you. If you go to a grocery store, let's say. Let's say you're shopping in West Virginia. Say Phil. Phil. Let's say you're shopping in West Virginia and you go to Food lion, and you are strapped as a Phil would be always. And you see a guy and he reaches into his shirt and says, I'm going to kill you, Phil Labonte. So you draw your gun and point him and say, don't move. And then he pulls out something real quick. And, and points it. So you take a shot.

[Alex Stein]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Reasonable fear.

[Tim Pool]

Holding a cell phone. Someone then says it's murder. Because why did you bring a gun to a grocery store? You're going shopping for food, bro. What do you need a gun for when. When in reality you are. If you are allowed to carry a weapon. In this instance, he was. That's why I don't want to make the weapon the issue. The issue.

[Alex Stein]

I don't think you are allowed to bring one to attract me.

[Tim Pool]

To be fair, I think the. I think the actual arguments initially was you are allowed to have a folding knife under a certain size when you're at the school.

[Alex Stein]

Even at a school.

[Tim Pool]

But even if, even if that is the case, even that is the case. I don't agree with, with the leftist worldview of you're not allowed to have like a folding knife.

[Brett Dastovich]

Plus it was, it was a distraction. So there was like articles from like TMZ that said they decided the knife was legal to be had. And somebody's like, yeah, but was like stabbing him legal? Because I don't think that that's true. It's. It's just an obfuscation of the entire point of the discussion.

[Tim Pool]

I think it says everything that it was unfolded and ready to go.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I. To Tim's point, I do think that it's worth, worth saying, look, it's. It wasn't illegal for him to have it. Maybe it was. Again, maybe it was possibly against the rules.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, school policy.

[Phil Labonte]

School policy. But it wasn't illegal for him to have that knife. And the idea that this is a self defense case, everything that you hear that's come from all of the witnesses totally destroys that argument. You have. Branca was here last night and one of the points that he made, which is something that you hear, if you go to self defense classes, you have to have reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death. And if, if Metcalf, if Austin Metcalf put his hand on him and pushed him. That is not reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death.

[Tim Pool]

So school policy bans knives. Texas law allows them. So it was not a legal factor. My point is ultimately this dude reached into his bag, unfolded the knife and gripped it ready to stab someone when there was zero threat against them.

[Alex Stein]

And you knew he's guilty because you ran away. If he was actually self defense, he would have stayed.

[Tim Pool]

He was asking the police again. He did.

[Alex Stein]

I thought he did.

[Tim Pool]

He. He threw the knife and went over to his tent and asked him what happened and remained for the police to come.

[Phil Labonte]

And when the police came, he was asking the police, do you think this could be self defense? He was all right. He knew that he wasn't.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no, no. He said, I'm not. Alleged I did it. He put his hands on me. I told him not to touch me.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And then he asked. He followed up, he asked the police, do you think this is self defense? And this is. This is just what I'm hearing from. From coming.

[Tim Pool]

So this is what made it initially contentious was that he didn't flee the scene. He threw his knife after stabbing him, stayed on the track, but went to the other tent, waited for the police to arrive, said he did it, was arrested, claimed he put his hands on me. I told him not to. All of the witnesses, including one of the dudes who was friends with him, said he was wrong and he wasn't. He shouldn't have been there. And. And one, one said he provoked the fight. And again, the most important thing was Austin Metcalf said, I'm not gonna fight you at a track meet, dude. That right away, I'm gonna say it like, because Phil guy said, dude, if you have a gun and you're going grocery shopping and there's a guy standing there with no weapons and you're, you're gruffing him, you're mean, mugging him, and he goes, bro, I'm not gonna fight you, and you shoot him, bro, that's murder.

[Phil Labonte]

You're doomed.

[Tim Pool]

Totally doomed.

[Alex Stein]

What I think makes this more egregious is that people don't realize this is Frisco Memorial and Frisco Centennial high schools. Like, these are some of the most affluent high schools in the state of Texas. Like, this is a. This is not South Dallas. It's not the hood. These are nice high schools. And Carmelo went to a school that is majority white. So I just. It's just different, you know, it just seems like it didn't fit his. This is why I think he was defended so much, is that he is kind of a clean cut black guy. If you kind of look at him just, you know, on paper, at the end of the day, he stabbed and murdered a guy. And, you know, it's just. It is what it is.

[Tim Pool]

I just don't understand what the defense was thinking. Like, they should have just taken the plea deal and been like, bro, you're going to jail for five years. Congratulations.

[Alex Stein]

I agree. The plea deal should have been. They should have. Then they said they were actually at the lunch. They were. The defendants were trying to Get a plea deal.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Branka said the other day, no way. Because that wouldn't take two hours. He said. What? What. What did he say what he thought they were doing? They were. I forgot what he said they were trying to do. He said it wasn't. It wasn't a plea thing because that would be. Oh, that would be five minutes. Oh, yeah, I forgot what he said.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, maybe. I. I don't. I don't know for sure, but maybe they were debating whether or not they could add the manslaughter.

[Brett Dastovich]

Where do you think this. Where do you think this goes when you were talking about riots and racial tensions? Because I don't.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think we're right.

[Brett Dastovich]

That's what I'm saying. Because, like, the. Given just how big America is and what the racial demographic was in that city, it's not the same thing as 2020 with George.

[Alex Stein]

Do you think January 6th has scared people from rioting?

[Tim Pool]

No. No, I think we're not going to. I think it's not gonna be riots on this. I say we. I say. I say, like, we're not going to see riots because it would be a trap. Like. Like, you know, Matt Walsh made a great point. Matt Walsh said riots are not organic. Like, people think riots just happen. They don't. They're organized. And the reason why they're not going to go against. They're not going to write for this one is that with George Floyd, okay, Chauvin was in the right. It was a tragic situation, but Chauvin was following protocol. Showed up after the fact. George Floyd's already on the ground already. I can't breathe. Then Chauvin shows up having no idea what's going on, and uses his knee. According to the defense's own witness in the Chauvin trial, Derek Chauvin, was authorized under MPD guidelines to use a taser on George Floyd. In that moment, just right there, zap. And opted to use a physical like pin instead of the Taser. Meaning he chose a lower use of force on the continuum.

[Alex Stein]

But he took a lethal dose of fentanyl. That's what people don't realize.

[Tim Pool]

This is my point.

[Alex Stein]

He used it.

[Tim Pool]

The reason why they write for this one is that they had a video of George Floyd on the ground saying, mama, Mama. And it generates to manipulate people. Now, hold on. In this instance, there's no video. And the story. The only thing we know is that Austin Metcalfe said, I'm not going to fight you, and was stabbed in the heart by a black Kid, if they riot over this, that means every one of us will have that narrative. When you talk to a normie, someone who doesn't pay attention, why are they rioting? Because a black kid stabbed a white kid in the heart, murdering him in cold blood.

[James O'Keefe]

And.

[Alex Stein]

And their.

[Tim Pool]

Maddie's going to jail and they're going to say, what with George Floyd, why are they rioting? They go, because a cop pinned a black man down as he begged for his mother and died. You see the narrative difference?

[Brett Dastovich]

It's also like going on during COVID There was Facebook live streams of it while it happened. It's about as close to organic as you can get. Something like that. Where people were so mortified by what they saw, on top of the fact that people were literally at home because they weren't working because of COVID and everybody saw this simultaneously.

[Phil Labonte]

That's. That's a big reason. Like, you don't. You're not going to see the kind of riots nationwide for anything. I don't think. I. I can't think of anything that would actually spark that kind of riot in the United States nowadays because of the fact that you're. You don't have people locked in their homes. The protests and riot were the only reason you were allowed to leave. Everything was closed. Everything. Everything was shut down. People were, you know, getting stir crazy and stuff. So they're like, oh, I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna protest or whatever. It turned into a big party for, you know, 80, 90% of the people that were at the protests and riots. They were just watching the small groups of people that were actually going to get buck wild.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this. Look at this banner. It's actually easier to read. It says, as long as you don't touch me, we cool. As if that is in any way exculpatory. You cannot use a knife on someone's heart because they touch you.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So first of all, I will stress, I believe, Brenna Morello and both Sarah Fields, they said no one ever said that. That was never uttered by any. I'm not entirely sure, but I. I'm pretty sure they said that's actually not from any of the witnesses. No one said that was. That was said that this is not a thing.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I think you're right, though. These protests are never organic. There's always like some sort of Facebook organizer, discord organizer. Like, there's. That's what they need for it to actually happen. They need somebody to organize it. So that's why I don't think this is going to happen also really hot

[Tim Pool]

in Texas right now.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, people don't want to go do it. It's just not for this. People are not going to approach.

[Tim Pool]

I just got to say, man, they're

[Brett Dastovich]

like, oh, I'm racial justice, sure, but like at 90 degrees, not, not 96.

[Tim Pool]

I've, I, I've, I, I, I, bro, if, if I was his brother, like, if this happened to my family or my brother, this would not just be a news story about a criminal trial. I mean, I, I'll, I'll, I'll keep my language light, but like my, my

[Alex Stein]

be fair and, and rumble, but.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no, no, no, I could, I, I, no, I'm not that kind of person. Person.

[Alex Stein]

Well, it sounds like you're about to say something violent.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Alex Stein]

That's what I feel like you're about to say.

[Tim Pool]

I was going to say something more Ozymandias. You know, Watchmen. You guys familiar with that?

[Alex Stein]

A little bit.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it's a masterpiece. You got to read the comments.

[Alex Stein]

Watchmen.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I do, I do like how they changed the movie ending a little. Like because the alien invasion. But, but my point is, I would dedicate my waking existence to the destruction of everything that you represent. This would not be violent. It was all be legal, above board, and through a natural process of advocacy and let's just call it a circuit of economics. But let me just say, if I applied my every waking being to vengeance and accountability, it would be worse than a riot.

[Alex Stein]

Sounds like an accelerationist is what that sounds like.

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm saying like I would not stop at trial. I'd file lawsuits, I'd buy property. I'd, I'd, I'd send police and private security to these areas. I, I would lock this stuff down. I dedicate my life to making sure these things can never happen again. And those that help make it happen are stripped from power. Like, my point is, it would be, I would focus everything I could. It would be like I dedicate my being to. I wouldn't be sitting here complaining about politics. I'd be running non profits, raising money and reshaping communities. Like it'd be the utmost of governmental vengeance, you know?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, I understand that position. I think I would be too. But I'll just say this much though. It's like people that are celebrating the fact that he is found guilty. I think that is great. You know, obviously that's, but it's still not fair. You know, we lost awesome Metcalf. A guy died. Him going to jail for 40 years, 50 years. It's still. It's like you never get the equal result. You know what I mean? Like, life is not fair is what I'm trying to argue. Even if you try to make it fair, it's not.

[Tim Pool]

There's a. There's a video I want to pull up. Let me pull this video up. Keep talking. This is all to say nothing of, like. Like Carmelo Anthony's supporters, like, doxing his mom and dad's houses separately, like, several times. And, like, who's. Something like this?

[Alex Stein]

I mean, the Metcalf.

[Brett Dastovich]

The Metcalf.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, way back in the. In the beginning. I got. I got two videos I want to play for you as we discuss the race relations in the United States. The first one is this. What do you want us to do? What. What do you want us to do at this point?

[Alex Stein]

What I. I'm.

[Tim Pool]

I'm lost for. I don't know what to do. I got five boys. I don't know why. I ain't got nothing to tell him no more. You can't walk away no more.

[Alex Stein]

Rest in peace, Trayvon Martin.

[Phil Labonte]

Don't.

[Alex Stein]

Don't stab.

[Tim Pool]

You can't walk away no mo. Is that what you tell your kids? I. I know what you can tell your kids. Don't stab people. That's wild, that. And then he says, rest in peace, Trayvon Martin. I think the ultimate challenge is these people don't care about what's true. They just do not. And it's. It's not a race thing. It's like, I think what divides the left and the right and the left turns into a race thing because they know it riles up these people who happen to be ethnocentric. I take a look at the issue, and I understand why it becomes a race thing because of the baser, liberal, leftist worldview. There's probably a racial component to it, but they're pretending like Trayvon Martin did nothing wrong. Trayvon Martin was ground pounding Zimmerman and

[Phil Labonte]

Zimmerman, like, you don't have to. Like you. You can be aware that Zimmerman was kind of dumb and. And, you know, kind of crappy guy, because the things that he did afterwards were kind of, you know, they were kind of uncouth. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't in fear for his life. Doesn't mean that Trayvon Martin wasn't on top of him punching him. And look, if you're in a position where someone's on top of you hitting you and you have a gun, you have to use the gun. Because if they knock you out or if they find the gun and get the gun, they're gonna use it on you.

[Tim Pool]

So. So, real quick, the story of Zimmerman. I'll give you the quick gist. Trayvon Martin went to get an Arizona iced tea and some Skittles and was cutting through some community. Zimmerman saw him, called in as suspicious. When they. When he confronted Trayvon, a fight broke out, and Trayvon was winning. Now Zimmerman is just doing neighborhood watch. He has no idea what's going on, but he's on the ground being punched in the face. So he shoots him in the chest. The media took the 911 call and edited out a portion of the dispatch. Do you know this? I didn't know that Zimmerman was saying there's a suspicious guy walking around. The dispatcher says, what does he look like? And he goes, I think he's like 5, 10. He's wearing a hoodie. And they go, and what's his race? I think he's black. NBC, I believe, was NBC. I'll pull something to verify. Edited out the dispatcher. So he goes, there's a guy who looks suspicious. I think he's black. And that goes viral. And they're like, this white man killed a black guy. Everyone's Hispanic.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, that was the big lie. You know, they admitted, like, it was a racial thing when he was Hispanic the whole time. I will say this, though, and this is gonna be an unpopular position. Just kind of like how she's, you know, you know, spouting nonsense, and you're gonna get mad at me when I say this. It kind of reminds me of how Israel says every young kid under 18 in Gaza is a terrorist. And I'm just saying it seems similar. I know we're talking about this, but I just. I mean that it seems like once we get on our teams, once we're on our team, even if something bad happens to us, like, we can't see the big picture. And I feel like that's kind of what's happening here.

[Tim Pool]

I just want to say real quick, here's your white perpetrator 14 years ago in the Trayvon Martin case, they called him a white guy, like, dudes, literally Hispanic. He sued NBC saying that they saw it not as a tragedy, but it's an opportunity to increase their ratings. The complaint alleges the first altered call the NBC aired in March 29th included these statements. Zimmerman, there's a real suspicious guy. Ah, this guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drug something. He looks black. Dispatcher, are you following him? Yeah. Okay. We don't need you to. Need you to do that. The complaint alleges Zimmerman's remark. They changed his remarks to, this good guy looks up. This guy looks like he's up to no good or on drugs or something. He's got his hands in his waistband and he's a black male. Are you following him? The suit claims the audio had several deletions and about a minute of conversation was ultimately taken out. Zimmerman alleges some dialogue was also moved around to create the false impression they had a racist motive. This guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around looking about. The dispatcher then says, okay, and this guy, is he white, black, Hispanic? He looks black. They cut that line out. So he's like. He looks like. Like he's up to no good and he's black.

[Brett Dastovich]

There are legal repercussions for that. From the news networks that ran it that way?

[Tim Pool]

No, I think they. I think they lost.

[Brett Dastovich]

The news networks did, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not entirely sure.

[Alex Stein]

Let me say another unpopular opinion. Zimmerman is a Jewish last name, but I'll just leave that.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Alex Stein]

I'm just gonna leave it at that. We love Israel. God bless Israel. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There's another video I want to pull up as it pertains to race. Race relations, and it's this one from Brandon Gill in the splc.

[Alex Stein]

Love Brandon Gill. He's actually one of the best congressmen.

[Tim Pool]

He is. And this clip is actually informative because he's actually talking to a black guy about something really interesting as it pertains to the bigger picture. I want to play this.

[Phil Labonte]

Your organization

[Tim Pool]

said that restricting and banning abortion is a tool that the far right uses to maintain white supremacy. Do you believe that pro lifers are white supremacists?

[Brett Dastovich]

I believe that reproductive liberty is.

[Tim Pool]

No. Do you believe that pro lifers are white supremacists? I will tell you what I believe. If you're asking yes or no, I

[Alex Stein]

can't answer that question.

[Tim Pool]

Yes or no. I don't think that pro lifers are white supremacists.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you?

[Tim Pool]

What I think is that reproductive liberty is a right that every woman should enjoy. How many babies in the United States that are aborted are black? About 40% of abortions nationwide are of black babies. Blacks represent about 13% of the population. Population. Does that sound like something a white supremacist would oppose? What I would say again is that SPLC supports reproductive. Calling somebody a white supremacist is a pretty serious charge, isn't it?

[Phil Labonte]

I would, I mean, I would think

[Tim Pool]

you would be able to defend that if your organization says that. You clearly seem unable to. Mr. Gill, I'm not sure why you would think I'm able to. To do anything. You're the president of the SPLC which labels pro lifers as racists. Well, does your organization just hurl around epithets like that without any justification? This is something that you may have heard of. It's called the 1340. Despite making up 13% of the population, black babies account for 40% of the abortions. Something is messed up.

[Phil Labonte]

People are reporting on Twitter that the, the verdict in the Carmelo Anthony trial is. Or the, the sentence come down. Not yet. It's not in. It's.

[Tim Pool]

Ladies and gentlemen, right now we will have that sentenc live for you here on Tim Casserole. We're. I'm making sure to pull it up right now to make sure we get it. So what do you guess, Tim?

[Alex Stein]

What do you think? I think it'll be 40 years.

[Tim Pool]

40? No, no, he's 17. It could be something like 10. 10 to 25.

[Alex Stein]

Oh, you think it'll be that light?

[Brett Dastovich]

Can I ask your guys something?

[Alex Stein]

I mean it is 25 is first murder.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I, I think the jury might, might say something like, well, you know, it's tough. The. Does he have a criminal. I don't think he's got a criminal history. No.

[Alex Stein]

I don't think he's ever been.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's a first offender. They're going to say he's 17. So he's just about an adult. But no other record. Like, yeah, 10 to 25. And it's a broad range and it's kind of a cop out. So I don't think it's going to be 40, 50 years. I think that that's, that's crazy. I also think they're, they're, they are concerned about potential riots. So they, it might be on the loan. It might be 15 did.

[Brett Dastovich]

I think I saw Matt Walsh talking about the death penalty for something like this. Is that, is that something you guys thought?

[Alex Stein]

Was it like that's capital?

[Brett Dastovich]

No, I know it's not. I know it's not happening. But I'm saying like, because he was, I think, I think he was saying. I don't want to say it was him because I'm.

[Tim Pool]

We got it live from Fox for juries. Jurors, reach A sentence following the guilty verdict. So we're just waiting for the live updates. They'll come in on the. Let's see. The court is expected to resume in about 20 minutes as of 7,5 Central. So looks like it's about now. We're going to get it any moment. So let's, we'll, we'll keep our eyes

[Alex Stein]

peeled for, you know, people have criticisms of Texas, but just look at this court case, how fast they got it done.

[Tim Pool]

Amazing. Yeah.

[Alex Stein]

If this is in Minneapolis or something, this would be months. This would be rye. It's, it's just funny how a different state. It's handled totally differently.

[Tim Pool]

Texas doesn't mess around.

[Alex Stein]

No, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, and it's. Honestly, it's a good thing that this can happen. Less than a year ago, right?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, it was. I think it's been one year, basically.

[Phil Labonte]

So to go for a capital case to, to actually go through the court system within one year and actually, actually it's probably, probably less.

[Alex Stein]

Well, Phil, what doesn't make sense is that his family raised $600,000 on a GoFundMe, but they're using the public defender. Like, I don't even know how that happened. It doesn't make any sense.

[Phil Labonte]

How the money.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, I know they spent the money on Escalades and allegedly. I don't know that. But it just seems very weird that they raised $600,000 and they're using a public defender. It doesn't make sense.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, it's, it's, you know, bad money management, of course. So they, these people weren't poor in the first place.

[Alex Stein]

No, we haven't.

[Tim Pool]

We have an arrest outside the. Twenty minutes ago, the Collin County Courthouse. Not a Carmelo supporter. He got aggressive with Carmelo supporters. He's been arrested.

[Alex Stein]

Was it Jake Lang? Was it Jake Lang? He's arrested at everything. Got arrested at Chud the Builder. He almost got arrested there. He got arrested at Frisco for going to the Carmel Anthony scene where the high school. You know where it happened at the.

[Tim Pool]

Who's that dude who dressed up like a joker on. On Chat yout Bait or whatever. Gypsy crusader.

[Alex Stein]

Oh, Gypsy Crusade.

[Tim Pool]

What's that that they use? It's not Chat.

[Alex Stein]

Duel. Duel or. No, they use Omegle or still Omegle. Is it. I think it's Angry Kids. It's been around for a pretty sure it's Omegle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know what's crazy about Chad the Builder? Forget I don't agree with him. I think he was antagonizing black people by calling him the N word. I don't want to be called a cracker when I'm, like, pumping gas. But he's got a very unfair issue with his bail sentencing. Because if you actually. Carmelo Anthony, he was out totally free before this trial. And Austin Metcalf died.

[Tim Pool]

My point is, with the race relations stuff and gypsy crusader guy and even Chud the builder is that the younger generation just literally, it's like a Gen Z white racial awakening sensitized to it, I think. I don't think they're. Okay. We got it. 33. Breaking news, everybody. 35 years in prison. Brianna Morello breaking. Here we go.

[Alex Stein]

I said 40. It was close.

[Brett Dastovich]

I thought it was going to be lower than that.

[Tim Pool]

35. That's. That's higher than I thought.

[Alex Stein]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

We split the difference.

[Alex Stein]

We were both, you know, he'll. He'll be eligible for parole probably like after 20 or 25 years or whatever. So I don't.

[Tim Pool]

35 years.

[Alex Stein]

He'll do the whole 35.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, of course not. Of course not. That's. That's pretty intense. That's. I was expecting like 20. Yeah, here we go. The.

[Brett Dastovich]

The.

[Tim Pool]

The verdict is in. The sentence is in. 35 years in prison. He gone. That's it. This is. This is. This actually is pretty intense. You know why we. We're coming from this woke era, bro. If this murder happened in 2018, 2019, he would have walked. He would have walked faster than a speed walker going for the world record.

[Phil Labonte]

He probably would have.

[Alex Stein]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I would.

[Alex Stein]

I would argue that the fact that it's in McKinney, Texas, Collin county, it's a little different than like, Libtard San Francisco or Minneapolis. I, I would. I think that is a big difference in this court case.

[Brett Dastovich]

Like, that speaks to what they were talking about earlier. Just the size of America means that you could be getting a very different trail. That's why they tried to move the. That's why they tried to move the Chauvin trial. It's like the January 6th change of venue.

[Alex Stein]

Every trial is in D.C. they got found guilty. I think if you had those court cases somewhere else, they might have actually had a fighting chance, but they didn't because they got a liberal jury for every single court case.

[Phil Labonte]

That kind of stuff is. Is that type of. Of jury is grounds for moving the. Moving the case, Whatever case it is, whether it be the Chauvin case or the January Sixers. And to be honest with you, like, if you can't And Tim's made this point. If you can't guarantee an impartial jury, the solution isn't be like, throw them in jail. The solution is let them go. Because you're guaranteed an impartial jury, you can't produce that. Let go free.

[Tim Pool]

During the Chauvin case, they brought up venue saying the jury's tainted in Minnesota. And the judge said, there's no jurisdiction in Minnesota where you're not going to have the jury know about this. Okay, case dismissed. If. If you cannot guarantee due process, you cannot put a person in prison. And they didn't. They didn't care. They did it anyway.

[Brett Dastovich]

Is that even possible with cases that size in the age of social media?

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's the challenge right now with social media, that we are losing the ability to have due process.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I think it does affect it. I know with the. Carmelo Anthony's case had 500 potential jurors. Then they, you know, broke it down to 200 and then to whatever it was like 12, plus the six auxiliary jurors. So, I don't know. I mean, I guess with the Internet era, it is almost impossible to find an impartial jury. But there is probably also some people that are just, like, so disconnected from reality that they don't know what's going on. I mean, that. That is a possibility.

[Brett Dastovich]

They are the ones getting snail mail, getting told that they're going to jury duty.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, it's like the people that fall for the Indian scam. So they're like, I got your credit card number. You know, it's like there are some people that are just so dumb that they don't know what's on.

[Tim Pool]

And those are the people on a jury. Holy crap. Take the.

[Alex Stein]

I think it happens all the time. Well, I had a big First Amendment lawsuit where I sued the county judge. And. And I don't want to get all racial, but I'll just say this much. I had a First Amendment lawsuit against the county judge of Dallas, Texas, because they outlawed my speech. I was speaking there, I was talking about how he got arrested for doing a panty raid when he's in college. And they admitted on the jury stand they did not follow the proper procedure because how it would work is a county commissioner. If they want to kick me out, that's who. The county commissioner kicked me out, not the county judge. They have to take a vote. They admitted that they did not follow the procedures of their own meeting. But I had six people on the jury. Four Hispanic, one black woman, and one White guy and trying to explain to them what the First Amendment was, was impossible. They had no idea what the first Amendment was. They literally didn't understand the First Amendment, Second Amendment. So there is a possibility that you get a jury that is just so uneducated or has no idea what's going on that they're just like, you know, that's definitely.

[Phil Labonte]

That's not a jury of your peers. Then if they don't understand the process that's in front of them, I mean,

[Tim Pool]

that's the whole point of jury selection.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I also learned this too. Some people, and this is, you know, Hispanics and blacks, I'm not trying to target them. They actually don't like the Constitution because that was written in the time of slavery. So they're actually anti Constitution. When I would guess that all of us are here very pro Constitution.

[Tim Pool]

There is no such thing as a Constitution. What? I already don't say anything about what we were talking about before the show because that's a big surprise. But my argument is that this, the Constitution is, is largely defunct at this point.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, wow.

[Tim Pool]

Let's get into it. Just. So wait, so I don't leave people hanging. Do you believe in the First Amendment?

[Alex Stein]

I do.

[Tim Pool]

So do you. Do you agree with the.

[Alex Stein]

But no, I get limited all the time. I mean, okay.

[Tim Pool]

Do you. Do you agree with the Founding Fathers views on the First Amendment?

[Alex Stein]

I agree that we should have it. But do they. Does it always.

[Tim Pool]

Do you agree with the intention of the founding fathers?

[Alex Stein]

100%.

[Tim Pool]

So you think people should be locked up in jail for saying Christ is not king?

[Alex Stein]

No, I don't think that that's what

[Tim Pool]

the Founding fathers wanted. Wait, blasphemy Was illegal until 1956 or something?

[Alex Stein]

Is that true?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Alex Stein]

I didn't really blasphemy.

[Tim Pool]

George Carlin got arrested.

[Alex Stein]

Seven dirty words. But you couldn't.

[Tim Pool]

You could not blaspheme.

[Alex Stein]

Nope.

[Tim Pool]

It was illegal. It was a crime.

[Alex Stein]

I didn't realize that.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think that. What state do you live in?

[Alex Stein]

Texas.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think that Texas should have the right to ban your guns?

[Alex Stein]

No way.

[Tim Pool]

Why not? The second Amendment.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Founding Fathers believed the states did have the right to ban guns, but the federal government did not. The purpose of the federal Constitution was constrained federal authority from going into a state and taking guns from a private citizen.

[Alex Stein]

So you don't like Roe versus Wade.

[Tim Pool]

What is that?

[Alex Stein]

I'm saying you think that states should be able to have abortion. Is that what you're trying to argue?

[Tim Pool]

My argument of the Constitution is that Your interpretation of it deviates from the intents of the Constitution as it was written.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I guess that is clear because those are federal rules and they're states rights. Yeah, I think that would be if

[Tim Pool]

you believe in a federal Constitution meaning you want it, or a written Constitution meaning it's written to preserve its intent. Conservatives and liberals both wildly disagree on what the intent is and what the founders actually wanted it to be, regardless of the amendments.

[Alex Stein]

Well, shouldn't so like the 9th and

[Tim Pool]

10th amendments are like void at this point. Right.

[Phil Labonte]

The 9th and 10th are basically beat up. It's worth noting that 44 states have some provision that it reflects what the second amendment was. So there's only six states that actually legally.

[Tim Pool]

Right, because they actually have their own

[Phil Labonte]

version in their own.

[Alex Stein]

Vim Miller, he was a guy that, that was accused of being the third Trump assassin. He got arrested at a. Oh right, right, right, right. And the only reason he got arrested is that he had a magazine that had 14 bullets. In California that's illegal because you can't have whatever a magazine with over 10 bullets. And he wasn't, he was like a Trump supporter. But I'm saying because of those weird laws.

[Tim Pool]

Let me say it like this so people understand the Constitution. And I always give a shout out to Wade's thoughts cuz he had one of the best videos breaking down what. What the Constitution is. Constitutions are. They're a reference to the body politic of a nation at the time. The Constitution is what constitutes the body politic. Currently there are two in the United States. The liberal interpretation, or what we refer to as the multicultural democracy, and the conservative, which we would call the Constitutional Republic. The Constitutional Republic believes in the. It is. It is. It is a branching off. It is a descendant of the intent of the Founding Fathers, though it does deviate. The multicultural democracy is largely born from non citizens, migrants and international influences on a population of the United states. These are two different constitutions. And I don't mean the physical U.S. constitution. I mean there are two different body bodies politic that have wildly different worldviews on how a country should be run and what they have a right to do. So for instance, the left argues that the First Amendment doesn't cover hate speech. And we, and we would argue of course it does, because what other speech. However, the Founding Fathers argued the First Amendment didn't protect blasphemy. Blasphemy was illegal. You'd go to jail if you walked outside town center and screamed Christ is not king. They would arrest you. You would face trial. You could be exiled or killed.

[Alex Stein]

I didn't realize that. I thought we had freedom of religion the whole time.

[Tim Pool]

So that's also incorrect. You gotta watch some Charlie Kirk, brother.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, I love Charlie. Are you kidding? I freaking love Charlie.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't realize Charlie was a genius, man. He pointed this out.

[Alex Stein]

He was a genius.

[Tim Pool]

The initial states and even to this day still have laws in the books requiring you to profess a faith in a Christian God in order to hold off office. Did you know that? And the funny thing is, so it was around the mid-1700s, these states started getting rid of these provisions requiring you to explicitly state a belief in a Protestant God. Maryland wasn't. It was. Was an exception because it was a Catholic colony. And I believe Connecticut was an exception. Virginia was because Jefferson was a deist. So there were, there were different interpretations among the states, but the initial colonies required you to profess a faith in a Protestant or typically Protestant or at least Christian God. Otherwise you could not hold office. The reason why the founding fathers believed in a separation of church and state in the. At the constitutional level was not because they expected Muslims and Jews and Buddhists to hold hands. It's because Protestants and Catholics fought each other. And so they were like, no, no, the federal government is not going to get into a fight between Maryland and New York and South Carolina over which Christian God is the right one. So we. That was it. They knew everyone was Christian, but they didn't want a Protestant Catholic thing going on.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I do agree that the reason they put freedom of religion meant like, either you're a Christian or you're not anything. You're either like an atheist.

[Tim Pool]

You weren't a lot that, that's no freedom of religion was. You can be a Protestant or Catholic. We're not gonna, we're not gonna get into it.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I thought it could be. You could be Christian or not, you know, agnostic. I didn't think it mean.

[Tim Pool]

You could, you could not hold office, bro. You could not hold office. They did not.

[Alex Stein]

Unless you're a Christian.

[Tim Pool]

You had to profess a faith in a Christian, bro. That law is still in the books in some places.

[Alex Stein]

Well, it's crazy. We gotta kick out a lot of politicians who need to freaking use that law.

[Tim Pool]

That's why you swear on a Bible in court. Well, you know, I just wanna stress this too. Can I just. I'm sorry, I try to stress this, this idea from liberals where they're like, the founding fathers thought that there should be no state religion. And I'M like, bro, you have to swear on a Bible to be president. You put your hand in the Bible. The Bible, come on.

[Alex Stein]

Mamdani used the Quran.

[Tim Pool]

For indeed, it is changing. And that's the point about what a constitution is. What constitutes the people. Bro, I guarantee you go back to 1776, well, 1789, at the ratification, and you say, for the first president, let's use, I don't know, the. Let's. Let's use a Buddhist, you know, Confucianist. They're gonna be like, what? Yeah. Now don't get me wrong. There is. I think there's an. I don't know if it's apocryphal or not that Jefferson did use a Quran or something. I don't think that's true. I think it was that he had studied the Quran and it had discussed it in some length or something.

[Alex Stein]

Thomas Jefferson got sworn in on a Quran?

[Tim Pool]

No, I think that's a, like a, it's a. It's like a myth presented by people. Liberals. But I, I can fact check that because I don't think that's the case. He was a deist. He had basically written up the Bible like by, with and removed the Bible.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, right.

[Tim Pool]

So anyway, that's my point on the Constitution. And I think conservatives have their own interpretation. The founding fathers wouldn't have agreed with truth, but, you know, most of it

[Brett Dastovich]

doesn't matter these days. Like, I've had discussions with friends that are very liberal. When I mentioned the idea of like living in a constitutional republic, they actually laugh at that concept because, you know, it depends on how politically aware you are. But when they use the term our democracy, they're not talking about you. They're talking about people who believe their worldview. And when the Constitution is left open to interpretation, because that's what we're dealing with all the time, the Supreme Court is always making interpretations based on it. Obviously they're just looking to push it a certain direction.

[Phil Labonte]

The, the confusion about Jefferson. Jefferson did take his oath. There was no historical record that he take. That he took his oath on a Quran. The confusion comes when Keith Ellison in 2007 used Jefferson's personal Quran because Jefferson owned a Quran.

[Tim Pool]

He was the first. Jefferson was the first to own one. I'm just saying there's like an apocryphal thing that liberals push where they try and claim that.

[Alex Stein]

That he did it on a Quran.

[Tim Pool]

No, that he was you. That he had used it to be sworn in or something like that, because they try to make the argument that the founding fathers were open to all religions and it's just not true.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, I agree with that. I think that's my argument to freedom of religion. You're either Christian or you're not. Like, it wasn't, you know, they didn't want a bunch of Jews. I didn't want a bunch of Muslims. I didn't want a bunch of Scientologists. Not that that existed then, but you know what I mean? I'm just saying they didn't want a bunch of other religions.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, the, the argument coming from the left that the, the United States isn't a Christian nation falls apart. When you actually.

[Alex Stein]

It was a Christian. Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, the, the Pilgrims.

[Alex Stein]

I mean, they came here, you know, for religious persecution.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, for the, for the vast majority of, of the, the first, what, 150 years or or so of the country, basically the country was Catholics and WASPs, and the Catholics took a lot of crimes.

[Brett Dastovich]

You would have been allowed to hold office if you were another religion. You just wouldn't have done so on the Bible or, you know, on the book.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't, I think that it was probably not till the 60s where people like Muslims could become, could, would be able to hold office.

[Brett Dastovich]

Jews held office back then.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know that that's federal.

[Brett Dastovich]

I was, I was looking up, because this came up like the last time we were talking. It says like January of 1775, when Francis Salvador was elected to the South Carolina Provincial Congress. And they say that first started holding office or were permitted to start holding office following the ratification of the U.S. constitution 17. 1788, which prohibited religious tests of federal.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, so in the federal government.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, let's see.

[Alex Stein]

Donald Trump is the first Jewish president. That's what we've decided. Right? Can we not. What? Phil, don't get your head in the microphone.

[Tim Pool]

Early state constitution, Jewish Dan required people to be Protestants. Between 1776 and the 1780s, you had to be a Protestant or in some states, other Christian.

[Brett Dastovich]

That would have been the US Constitution.

[Tim Pool]

New York and Virginia were more open. The US Constitution, 1787, Article 6 explicitly banned religious tests for federal office. This was revolutionary and allowed non Christians and non Protestants to hold national office, the first such national policy in the world at the time. It faced opposition from some who feared pagans or non Christians in power. The intent, however, was largely due to the Protestant and Catholic dividend. The intention of the federal government was to say, we're going to be, we're going to remain neutral on this issue, but the states clear because the federal government was supposed to be weaker. Yeah, they did want a stronger federal government, so they made the Constitution, but it was supposed to be largely neutral in these affairs.

[Phil Labonte]

Bastardization of the commerce clause and the necessary and proper clause of basically giving the government the power to do the federal government the power to do anything it wants.

[Alex Stein]

Well I am in favor of states rights. Like I feel like the state should have their own.

[Phil Labonte]

The federal government isn't.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, I know.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we don't have states rights anymore and I don't think anybody actually is because then you would argue the states have a right to ban guns, right?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, technically. But I still believe in states rights.

[Phil Labonte]

No, because the, because the constitute like they don't have the right to ban guns. The Constitution says that the. They can't ban them,

[Alex Stein]

but it's still federally equal.

[Tim Pool]

The federal Constitution was supposed to apply only to the federal government. The 10th Amendment states the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the state. States are reserved to the states respectively or to the people. The purpose of which it's basically that the federal government is constrained. The federal government is barred from doing certain things. The states can do their own thing within their states. There are certain constraints like the Supremacy Clause and things like this. But the general idea was federal military or law enforcement at the time they didn't have law enforcement. Could not come and seize your guns. States could do whatever the states want.

[Phil Labonte]

What would you say when someone brings up the Supremacy Clause then? So because the Supremacy clause says it's a provision in Article 6 of Clause 2 of the US Constitution that establishes the Constitution, federal laws and treaties as the supreme law of land. Which clause mandates that federal laws take priority over any conflicting state laws or state constitutions, ensuring that state judges are bound by federal authority even when the state laws.

[Tim Pool]

Correct. And the initial interpretations were different from what the interpretations are today, which ultimately results in how we enforce these laws. So again to the Supremacy Clause, the federal government's position and, and the reason why the, the, the, this is the, this is the anti federalist position. Basically they didn't want the federal government coming in and being tyrannical with the, the famous line from the patriot, why trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away? The interpretation was the federal government is constrained in these things. The rest is reserved to the states. We don't view that way anymore. We now view it that the federal government can impose its federal Constitution over the states and we largely Ignore state constitutions. When was the last time anybody in Pennsylvania talked about their constitutional rights?

[Phil Labonte]

I have no idea.

[Tim Pool]

They don't. It's largely ignored. We are no longer. After the Civil War, everything changed. Abraham Lincoln decreed a suspension of a constitutional right without the authority to do so. Habeas corpus and Congress. After Abraham Lincoln threatened with violence his enemies and arrested his enemies in Maryland, the members of the state House, he actually arrested them because they were. It was a slave state all of a sudden. Now with the Southern states removed and the Congress only being his supporters, they retroactively approve his suspension of habeas corpus despite the fact he never had the authority to do it. After the Civil War, it was no longer the United States or it was the United States. States is at that moment. That moment, the states were largely meaningless. The federal government was the supreme authority over all states. People don't care about their state reps, their state senators. These are a bygone era, man. Nobody in Illinois is like, well, the Illinois Constitution. I mean, they might sometimes in a state lawsuit, but it's almost always national.

[Brett Dastovich]

Unless, of course, you're the federal government and you want to go into California to check if the laws were followed in the election. In that case, the federal government stays out.

[Phil Labonte]

But the reason that it's national is because they're appealing to the Supreme Court. Because. Right. The Supreme Court is supposed to dictate what is or is not acceptable under the US Constitution. So it wasn't because of the Supremacy Clause. Right.

[Tim Pool]

It wasn't always. It was about the federal Constitution. So this is the thing. This is largely after the Civil War, when we get to the 13th and 14th Amendments when there were questions about citizenship and then we start getting these rulings, there was again, this, like, this is where things change. Blasphemy was illegal. The Supreme Court heard a case about whether states could impose these laws. Because this is where the question becomes, and this is pre Civil War, the question began to emerge about what the authority of the federal government was to impose its will. It's an interesting thing when the purpose of the Constitution, the amendments, I should say the Bill of Rights, the Constitution itself sets the framework for the federal government. The. The Bill of Rights constrains government. Constrains the federal government can do. And then it very quickly transformed into. It was a power of the federal government over the states, which is an interesting way to Again, the Right. So the Bill of Rights were meant to constrain the federal government. Correct.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Now, I mean, within 60, 70 years, what was meant to Constrain the federal government was used as a cudgel by the federal government to constrain the states.

[Alex Stein]

Do you think the federal government should step in and stopping the Chicago Bears from moving to Indiana?

[Tim Pool]

I think Trump should enter the military.

[Alex Stein]

Isn't that ridiculous? So you, as a Chicago guy, I

[Phil Labonte]

mean, they're moving to Indiana.

[Alex Stein]

I saw your clip. It went viral. But I mean, which clip? When I was like, I think it was one of your YouTube videos where you're in the Bears jersey. I watched. I'm just saying, the fact that the Bears are moving, I feel like the federal government should step in with that. I think that's blasphemy.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this is the point about a constitution that I bring up.

[Brett Dastovich]

They're going to need a bailout.

[Tim Pool]

People of Chicago, I left, right? And I look back with a. You know, with a. With a longing heart to seeing my city get destroyed. And you've got. They bring in mass migration. And now you have a body politic. What constitutes the people does not care for our traditions, does not care for the Bears. I gotta tell you this. Remember Dub Bears?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, of course, Illinois.

[Tim Pool]

But it's a national icon. I mean, it was the 85 Bears.

[Alex Stein]

Chris Farley, the Bears.

[Tim Pool]

I grew up with this. But I tell you this now. I'd be willing to bet a large portion of people in Chicago were not in the United States when the Bears was a thing.

[Alex Stein]

What if the Cubs moved to Indiana? What would people do?

[Tim Pool]

Dude, you'd have rights in Japan.

[Alex Stein]

Exactly. They're gonna let the Bears go to Indiana. It's ridiculous.

[Brett Dastovich]

The White Sox allowed to go?

[Tim Pool]

No, see, the White Sox, bro. The Cubs are an international thing. It's pretty strange because they were bad for so long. I don't know why, but people love the Cubs. They're like a Cubbies. It's a premium. He's a Chicago guy. It's a premium brand in baseball. Even though they were losers for so long, people just love the Cubs.

[Brett Dastovich]

Rookie of the year.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, Rookie of the year.

[Brett Dastovich]

He's a rookie of the year.

[Tim Pool]

We got to jump to. We got to go across the pond, ladies and gentlemen, because it is getting crazy. We got this from the BBC. Man arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after brutal knife attack in Belfast. We've got a lot of updates to go through, but we've got. Check this out. This is Glasgow, people. Look at this. Rule Britannia. Look at these videos. I'm starting y' all off light. It gets crazier. Watch this video. These dudes terrible.

[Brett Dastovich]

It's Actually terrible.

[Tim Pool]

So, so what. What they're claiming is. Let me go back. That people are showing up to the homes of migrants, smashing out their windows. We've got these videos of people marching through the streets. Apparently it's getting pretty intense where these dudes are pushing out any and all media. They don't know, they don't care. You're out, you're gone. Because look what they're doing and they don't want to get busted.

[Alex Stein]

It's like the purge or something.

[Tim Pool]

It's very antifa esque, but in the other, in a different political direction. I mean, look at this dude. But it gets crazier. We got more videos. Check this video out. This is nuts, dude. Oh,

[Brett Dastovich]

oh my God.

[Alex Stein]

Oh my God.

[Tim Pool]

Now these videos are popping up. Some of. We haven't like, you know, we got it, we got a fact. You can verify a lot of this. This one report reportedly has dudes in all black running some kind of vehicle checkpoint. And then we've got. I think I got this video here somewhere. This one's particularly brutal. We might have to save this one for the uncensored portion of the show, but take a look at this. Reports that homes of migrants are being set on fire. And there's some reports that I've heard upwards of 90 buildings have been set on fire. I think the people have had enough.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, look, look when, when.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, but you don't want to hear my opinion. Ireland is the most anti semitic country, so they deserve to burn. So anybody that speaks ill against Israel deserves what they get. All right, Phil, go ahead.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, when, I mean, look, when you have, when you have a, a police force that gives preferential treatment to new immigrants.

[Alex Stein]

Well, Henry Novak.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, well, yeah, I mean obviously this is, this is something that's going on across the whole. The uk it's going on in Ireland. You know, this is. You're gonna have people reach a tipping point. And apparently when a guy, you know is, is being attacked the way that I forget what his name was attacked, like this Irish guy was, you know, they, they've decided that this is enough. The UK government has the power to change this, but they're terrified of being called racist. And you're going to see a lot of Western countries are going to have to decide that it's worse to have riots and lawlessness than to be called a racist. And until that happens, this stuff is going to continue. It's only going to get worse.

[Tim Pool]

Well, do you think we got, we got another video, another update. This is from visagrad. Rioters are breaking into migrant houses in multiple. It's HMO's houses in multiple occupation, taxpayer funded US housing for asylum seekers in Belfast. Setting them ablaze. Check this video out. So it doesn't seem like. I don't know if we have.

[Alex Stein]

When they were in elementary school, do you think they described their country as a melting pot? Could that be why they're more, you know, Ireland? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Obviously not.

[Tim Pool]

So I don't think they ever did.

[Alex Stein]

No. So I'm saying, do you think that's why they're more nationalistic? Do you think that's why they're actually rioting opposed to America, where.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, I want.

[Tim Pool]

I want to just stress this too, because I need to give the context. I know we're already a few minutes in, but for those that don't know what happened, a Sudanese man was attempting to saw off an Irishman's head through the neck with a steak knife. And there are reports that he had suffered severe damage to his eyes. His eyes may have been sawed out with a steak knife. And he was pinned in the ground. And there's a video showing this man sawing at the neck with a steak knife. It is shockingly evil and horrifying. And this is what has set off these riots.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, look, we were talking before the show. I wouldn't be surprised if there's all IRA guys that have, you know, rifle stashed somewhere that. That never turned them in. And that's. That is absolutely a possibility. You know, like this kind of stuff. If, if people don't feel like the. The government who has the monopoly on violence is going to take care of their. Their population, if they're going to have preferential treatment or they're going to force a foreign population in that is brutalizing the local population. You're gonna see the people decide we're going to fight back. Specifically in Ireland who are not. Not, you know, they're not strangers to fighting. They were fighting the English up until 98 or whatever.

[Tim Pool]

This is Irish culture. You know what I'm saying? I mean, this is. When I was a kid growing up, this is what we heard about all the time with the Troubles.

[Brett Dastovich]

To your point earlier, you were asking the question, do you think that they're. That they're rioting because they're more nationalistic than the U.S. because the U.S. kind of had that idea of the melting pot growing up. But the time, at the time when that still passed in America, there was like. Like somewhat of a monoculture in which people who came to the country, they wanted to be Americans, they had to take the citizenship test. They had to, you know, after a fact, they were seeking a life to become Americans, not to move to America and then ostensibly start their own communities and not assimilate into American culture. And. But the size of America makes that harder for, you know, that type of what we're seeing here to kind of come to pass. Because it's, you know, what's happening in Texas with Carmelo Anthony is vastly different than something going on in Florida. It's just vast different than something going on in Minnesota. This is. It's a much smaller population in Ireland.

[Alex Stein]

Well, Charlie Kirk said immigration without assimilation is an invasion. I think that's what's happening now in America is that these people are not trying to assimilate. They're trying to bring their culture and try to turn, you know, America into little Somalia or that's. That's India.

[Tim Pool]

That's the discussion over a constitution. When you have in Minnesota, Somalis who explicitly state in their campaigns, I will send American taxpayer dollars to Somalia. This is. This is not the American body politic. They do not respect your constitution. And I guarantee you, if you were surrounded by a group of those people and they told you to stop interfering with their money transfers, you'd argue, I have a right under the constitution to report the news. They'd crack you with a truncheon. You think they care about your rights? You get attacked by a fly over there.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It also attacked Alex Stein.

[Alex Stein]

It did. But, you know, that's because I'm.

[Tim Pool]

I've been caught a fly.

[Alex Stein]

So that's why.

[Tim Pool]

But we were like, what?

[Phil Labonte]

What, Jewish?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. Well, listen, we love Israel, we love Ireland, we love everybody. But I will say that it's actually kind of. This sounds bad, but watching these videos is entertaining because I actually like to see the people actually fight back. I feel like that's our problem. Is that during COVID Why does that sound bad?

[Brett Dastovich]

Well, I'm saying something bad happened during.

[Alex Stein]

I don't like to see, like, a car go into a house because there could be a kid in there or something. Like, you know, there are going to be, you know, collateral damage when, you know, you're just randomly riding. But I will say this. Like, during COVID I lost a lot of faith in humanity because everybody just followed the protocols. And I feel like we need to be more civilly disobedient. Does that mean we, like, burn down, you know, houses? No, not Necessarily. But we do need to fight against their tyranny. I don't think we do that enough in our country.

[Tim Pool]

There's a reality here in Ireland. This will change things if. If the Irish have learned anything from Black Lives Matter. That it was fascinating to see that the riots backfired initially and support for BLM cratered following the mass riots. However, politically, the. Every institution became petrified of Black Lives Matter. They were firing people for saying naughty words because they were scared someone's going to come in with a crowbar unless they bend to the whims of the violent, as I love to say. Do you think that Carl Benjamin would ever lead a bunch of classical liberals or post liberals with crowbars and pitchforks to XHQ because someone got censored?

[Phil Labonte]

He's got four kids.

[Tim Pool]

No, never going to happen. He's going to, he's going to. He's going to complain like a gentleman online and say, how dare I say, how dare you ban me. Antifa will burn your house down.

[Alex Stein]

Yes, sir. Gran of Akad will not do that. But I feel like we don't. We shouldn't be burning people's house down. But like I said earlier, we should be more civilly disobedient. I actually like to see us, you

[Phil Labonte]

know, governments shouldn't be protecting criminals like the, I mean, the guy, you know, the guy that got stabbed, the poor kid that got stabbed, they were protecting the actual assailant.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. Henry Novak said, I'm bleeding, I'm hurt, and they put handcuffs on him.

[Tim Pool]

And I don't think you were, mate. I don't think you were, mate.

[Phil Labonte]

That kind of stuff leads to this.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, Rightfully so, though.

[Tim Pool]

I think, I think Gen Z, we are about to have in the next 10 years, white identitarian politics the likes of which the left cannot comprehend. And they were warned of this.

[Phil Labonte]

They were warned of it, but that's what they want.

[Tim Pool]

I. I don't think so. They, they were memes where it was like, teenagers were saying. It was like. It was like a paintbrush meme where kids, like being yelled at by the teacher for being white. And then he goes and hangs out with a bunch of white kids and they're. And then they're like, you're racist. And they're like, cool, Whatever. What I'm seeing now when I go on Instagram and I'm scrolling through bro, if you want a million views.

[Alex Stein]

Racism like the builder.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. I'm talking about like some dude sitting at his computer and he goes, so I just saw this video. And then he plays the video next to him, and it's something like a black dude robbing a liquor store. And then he makes a quick racist quip. And maybe racism, the right word, but racial quit. They're like, young people are blowing the f up on TikTok and Instagram by doing this like. Like, Gypsy Crusader. He's got clips like, crazy with millions of views.

[Brett Dastovich]

I mean, that's.

[Tim Pool]

And he literally just says he does not like black people.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, he has, like, a gun that says the N word. And he actually has some black fans.

[Tim Pool]

Surprisingly, there's one viral video where. That I just saw on Instagram, and it's like some woman and she's wearing Nyan Cat, you know Nyan Cat? Yeah, it's a pop tart cat with a rainbow. And then he goes, what's on your shirt? And she goes, oh, it's Nyan Cat. That. And it's like, what's that? And she's like, it's. It's like an Internet thing. It's like. I thought it was like a pride thing. And then she says, no, I hate the F. And then she.

[Alex Stein]

Oh, yeah, I saw that video.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's gone viral. It's crazy. And then. And then it, like, freezes, and then it, like, plays music. Dude, why? Yeah, is that what. That's what it played, right? You saw two. Yeah. Yeah, bro, this video's gone mad viral. Young people are straight up, like, yeah, we watch the news all day, and we are watching, like, bro, we're watching what's happening in Ireland. We're watching the Carmelo Anthony stuff. We warned about this. But you were saying, Phil, you think they want it to happen?

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know that they want it to happen. I think they would prefer it if white people just had white guilt forever so they could loot.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. The goal is to awaken a critical racial consciousness. Right. The whole critical race theory stuff that didn't go away. The goal was to make people aware of their race. And they wanted. They. Sure. They wanted a need, as many people that are white, to feel bad about it and to basically do what your awfuls are doing. I don't start voting for voting in ways that. That are progressive. If you look at the way that women are tilting to the left, it's all because of this. This kind of. This kind of critical race race theory stuff. You. You see young men not going the same way because young men are far more comfortable being disagreeable.

[Tim Pool]

These Jordan Peterson stuff, these viral Instagram and tick tock videos are what's going to start making women go the other direction. Dude, it is. It is wild to see a. I saw a video with like 2 million views of. It's like some chick sitting in a room on a computer and she's wearing like fake cat ears. It wasn't AI, by the way. And then like plays a video and then makes racist joke. Like, you know, you know, who's that guy with the mustache? He's got the old phone behind him. You know I'm talking about. Right?

[Phil Labonte]

With a mustache, with an old.

[Tim Pool]

He's the, he's the woman. Woman problems? Is that what it's called?

[Phil Labonte]

I. I don't know much about him, but I'm, I'm aware of him. I think.

[Tim Pool]

You never seen these videos?

[Alex Stein]

I don't think so.

[Tim Pool]

What's the. Guys, what is it?

[Alex Stein]

Woman problems? I don't know.

[Brett Dastovich]

What's the guy.

[Tim Pool]

The chat knows who I'm talking about. I don't follow these.

[Alex Stein]

Like, January 6th, they want more.

[Tim Pool]

January 6th, someone, someone in the chat's got to tell me because they know I'm talking about he's got a mustache and it's like woman problems or something. Someone, someone's gonna post in the chat.

[Brett Dastovich]

I believe videos like that are going to end up affecting women. It's going to push them towards racial consciousness.

[Tim Pool]

Not, not, not him.

[Alex Stein]

Well, we got to get women, like, they have to radicalize.

[Brett Dastovich]

I don't, I don't think it's going to happen. Like they're, they're too susceptible to in group bias. And if the other women in the

[Tim Pool]

group aren't following woman propaganda. That's what it is.

[Alex Stein]

Oh, duh.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He does videos where he'll play a video of like a black guy robbing a 711 and then he'll look up and he'll make a joke. He'll like make like a.

[Alex Stein]

You're right. He got like a million followers. I know.

[Tim Pool]

People have been copying that format like crap crazy and getting massive viewership. I remember we talked about on the show when Nick Fuentes had a video with something like 60 million views. I'm on Instagram, I see this video nonstop and I look at it to see how many it's got. 400,000 likes.

[Alex Stein]

Was it your, your body, my choice video?

[Tim Pool]

No, it's the video where he says, he said any responsible person would not live, would not bring their family near black people. And I'm not saying that an individual black person is bad. I'm saying that when you look at neighborhood crime statistics, you can see that these are high crime neighborhoods. And I talked about, I said, listen, I know where Nick is from. Nick. Nick Fuentes and I. This is really wild. How old is Nick?

[Alex Stein]

26.

[Tim Pool]

26. I'm 40. That means he was born and he was growing up. When I was 14, I lived in this neighborhood till I was 18. We lived only a few miles away from each other. Here's another wild twist for you. Jimmy Dore lived three blocks from me, no joke.

[Alex Stein]

So you, Jimmy and Nick all did, like within a three mile radius.

[Tim Pool]

Me and, me and Jimmy Dore lived three blocks away in Chicago. And Nick was about three miles away in the western suburbs because I was on the southwest side. So just you down Archer, First Avenue, and then you can get to Lagrange. And I know exactly what Nick saw and why he, why he says these things. Because I grew up two blocks from the leclair Courts. Famous gang territory in Chicago, all black. So we understood there was a racial divide, that when, when the, when the people from north of 47th came south into the white mixed area, you knew they were not coming to be friends with anybody. You knew it was, we are against you. And they'd mug you, they'd rob you, or there'd be gang, gang violence. And if you walked over there, the cops would arrest you and they'd say the only reason a white boy comes up here is to buy drugs. So imagine being Nick and growing up only a few miles away from this. Everybody in the neighborhood knows this. Nick starts making videos pointing out what tons of these young white people are seeing and being told they can't say. So you, so you got to understand, growing up on the south side of Chicago, with racial division maybe due to redlining or whatever, you might want to argue, literally, if a white person goes into a black neighborhood, you're facing violence

[Alex Stein]

and threats, worst gun violence.

[Tim Pool]

Then you go to school and you are told white people are the problem. And if you say otherwise, you're suspended, you get in trouble. Nick Fuentes starts talking about this and young people are like, he's right about all of it. It is unfortunate, but there's a reason why this messaging has become massively viral on Instagram and they're getting tens of millions of views. And my point only is Gen Z, Gen Alpha. It is going to be a wild political ride. Like Gen Z is only in their late 20s. Now once they get to their late 30s, we're going to start seeing Gen Z in politics. Politics. Imagine what happens. I'M gonna let people in on a big secret as it pertains to the economy.

[Alex Stein]

Tucker Carlson's running for president.

[Tim Pool]

He announced that.

[Alex Stein]

No, but, no, no, I thought that was gonna be a secret.

[Tim Pool]

Those that lead become rich. It's a tendency. My point is this. If you are a young person and you are a leader in your generation, let's say you're 20 years old and it's not that you command hordes of 20 year olds, it's not that you have a big Instagram following. I'm not saying that because obviously if you did, you'd already be rich. I'm saying that at 20 years old, you are trying to build something. You are developing something. Your peers around you are working at grocery stores or getting entry level jobs and you're trying to start a business. You're trying to learn to code, you're trying to build something. Those people naturally just end up tendency not guarantee to have accumulated wealth. My point ultimately is this. Nick Fuentes, I believe when he's in his late 30s, will probably be worth a hundred million dollars. He's probably already a millionaire. I think that's fair to say.

[Alex Stein]

Definitely a millionaire.

[Tim Pool]

Definitely a millionaire.

[Alex Stein]

They freeze his assets. He had $500,000 in the bank.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

And that's someone gifted him like a million dollars in Bitcoin.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. Imagine what happens when he's older, his fans have jobs and careers and more skills and are making more money and are contributing to and promoting his show. Nick Fuentes is going to be in his 40s with a net worth of 100 million. But you guys got to understand about a net worth of 100 million. I'm not saying he's gonna have that cash liquid. I'm saying from now him being a millionaire, he's going to start buying things those assets will appreciate. In 10 years, he'll own probably several properties. I imagine he's going to have a financial advisor. He's going to have a lot of money in T bills as well as in the S and P. And he's going to have growing assets. His wealth is not going to disappear. It's only going to accumulate. What do you think happens in, let's just say, what is he, 26? You said 27.

[Alex Stein]

I think somebody in the chat said 27. Yeah, but I thought he was 27.

[Tim Pool]

So let's say 10 years.

[Phil Labonte]

Years.

[Tim Pool]

He's 37 years old, worth millions. His net worth may be 100 million, not liquid. And it could, and a lot of it could be like business net worth, like 10x, like 5x EBITDA or something like that. Let's say he's got, you know, 5 million coming in this year and he has no reason to spend it. Who is he supporting politically? Where is that money going to go? What media ventures? Nick will start spending that money towards what he believes. You are going to start seeing miniature Nick Fuentes is popping up, up. He's going to start putting money into promoting new media channels and outlets. This is going to be economically impactful. You cannot stop this. It is the fact that it's already big on Instagram and TikTok and young people are already in this. It's going to get huge, man.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I don't think that there's, there's much of a disagreement about that.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just already. I'm not saying there's a disagreement. I'm saying let's think about what 10 years from now looks like, considering that.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, he's already got a huge, huge influence on the culture. Like, you see him, like all, all the, the memes that you talk about on Instagram. You can't scroll through Instagram without seeing some kind of, you know, cut of with Nick saying something or whatever. So, I mean, he's, he's going to have an outside, outsized influence on the culture. And I think that most people kind of have to come to a reckoning with that. And that's one of the reasons why I say you're going to see a lot of people looking at, you know, being called racist and they're just not going to care anymore. I'm saying that. Yeah, yeah, I've been, I've been saying that.

[Alex Stein]

We're saying all this, though. I really. You guys can call me crazy. I think it's a strong possibility we get a Vice President AOC and President Gavin Newsom soon. So, like, we act like everybody's so based. I think it might. Why do you think the pendulum might swing the other way? Just because people aren't happy, that doesn't make.

[Phil Labonte]

That doesn't make Nick go away.

[Alex Stein]

No, no. I think that makes Nick stronger, honestly. Because it's like how maybe Biden's presidency made Trump even more popular when he ran into.

[Tim Pool]

Let's talk about it. Here's a story from the New York Post. Bombshell photos photo unveils damning Nithya Rahman link with homeless voters as fury erupts over L. A ballot count. So you got this image where Nithya Rahman signed off on a grant as a district council member $600,000 to a homeless shelter that the New York post claims registered 185 voters to its address or had 185 homeless registered voters. Now, I don't think that 185 voters changes anything. And I don't think she gave the money to them to get voters. I think if I were to make an assessment, she gave the money to them either because she's dumb as a box of rocks or evil. We call this the homeless Industrial complex in la. They funnel taxpayer dollars to shelters with no beds, to shelters that don't help people. And I don't trust her for two seconds that she did not know this because it is a check from 2023. And everybody in 2011 when I was working down 2010 when I was working down there, knew exactly what was going on and the shelters were lying, claiming they were full when nobody was in them. Ultimately, the point is this. They are cheating. But we were just talking in the previous segment you said, Alex, that we might get a Vice President AOC and a Gavin Newsom. The reason why I say I don't think so is because California has been shocking to the conscience for a lot of Americans. More prominently is Watson v. Rnc, which is going to be ruled on in a couple of weeks. And this if ruled on by SCOTUS narrowly, everyone agrees SCOTUS is likely going to rule in favor of the defendant, which is that you cannot count votes after election day.

[Alex Stein]

It sounds with the post date or whatever on June 2nd.

[Tim Pool]

So the argument is you can't count ballots after election day, even if it's that day, no matter what. So the Supreme Court seems to be holding the position in oral arguments that Congress, the congressional law, the law passed by Congress is that we are prescribed a single day for an election. If they rule narrowly, they will simply say once election day is over, you can't count ballots anymore. I don't think that's going to happen. I think at least there is a decent probability. I would lean towards and I'm crossing my fingers on this one. They rule more broadly and argue that early voting and mail in voting violate the law because they extend voting day into voting month. And if voting day can be only one day, a day is prescribed, then ballots can only be issued day of and counted day of. And if that happens, Democrats never win again unless they dramatically moderate and become so akin to what MAGA is that MAGA Republicans are like, oh, Democrats are now calling for deportations. No trans in the kids. They want to lower taxes, otherwise they would not Be competitive. They are only winning in California for this reason. Check this out. Dsa-la.org this is the game they play. This is cheating and this is evil. The DSA is advising people to go to people's homes, confirm strong candidate support. If voting for other candidate, thank them and move on. They're not helping people vote. No, they're helping get power for themselves. It gets better. Then you ask them, have you received your ballot? Great. Will you find it? Then you ask them to vote three times. Then you explain why your candidate is the one they have to vote for. Then you fill out their ballot with them. Then you take their ballot and drop it off. And here's the best part. These people are getting paid to do it. I don't know if the DSA is funding it, but there are organizations that pay a salary to activists in California to go and literally fill out the ballot with them and bring it in for them.

[Alex Stein]

Tim James o' Keefe literally just did a story where they actually charged the woman that was doing this where they're paying people, like to $3. 2 to $3. And they would just get a ballot, get there, get them to register videos of it. Yeah, I mean, we're homeless.

[Tim Pool]

People are like, we're about to get paid.

[Alex Stein]

Literally on camera.

[Tim Pool]

He's got. On his page.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, go to. He's been tweeting about it like crazy. Go to his Twitter right now. Or X. So, like, we have concrete evidence that they can pay a homeless person.

[Tim Pool]

Nothing.

[Alex Stein]

Like, like you said, two to three dollars and they're gonna let you vote. However, that person that's paying you the

[Tim Pool]

money, once you guys got breaking LA Election fraud caught our ongoing investigation, rather we passed that numerous times. And it's the shelter where you see dozens of people in tents, encampments, doing drugs. And we have to ask them directly how many of them have voted. And I want to know, are their names registered on some of these voter rolls? Yeah, and they do that. They do that ballot petition scam right out front of Midnight Mission, too. Too. Yeah. It's just insane. The way I see it, that. Let's find the actual point instead of conversation.

[Brett Dastovich]

20.

[Tim Pool]

And then unfortunately, cameras around. Oh, there's a. I'm not sure this video is actually them showing the one.

[Alex Stein]

It's like this black woman. Right, Right. Covered it. Where? It's that one right there. That's exactly.

[James O'Keefe]

Vigilant petitioners on skid row are now paying the homeless to forge names for forge addresses and forge signatures of registered voters.

[Tim Pool]

So do you Want to sign? Okay, the first one.

[Alex Stein]

I mean, this is an. This is organized crime. This is very organized.

[Tim Pool]

Joseph. Wow.

[Alex Stein]

What are you using?

[Tim Pool]

Teresa address to write directions. Okay.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, yeah.

[James O'Keefe]

Quickly becoming a widespread scheme that can be found on almost every street corner in downtown Los Angeles. Fraudulent petitioners on skid row are now paying the homeless.

[Tim Pool]

Crazy. We knew that, right? Man, that's crazy. Here's the full thing. Let's just jump ahead and grab a piece of it.

[James O'Keefe]

Eat his ass.

[Alex Stein]

I don't have a California address.

[Tim Pool]

Find somebody, one of your homies or

[Brett Dastovich]

something that got one come bring up just this.

[Alex Stein]

If I bring them to you, then

[Tim Pool]

I could get a cigarette too, though.

[Alex Stein]

Really irritated. Why are you so hostile?

[Tim Pool]

This my petition.

[Alex Stein]

This my petition. It's not even his. You asking the wrong. This my. So you asking the wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Anyway, so you. So if I just start new, I come back and I just. I just tell you, go down the

[Alex Stein]

street, bro, before we pull you down the street. Yeah, it's really like that, bro.

[Tim Pool]

You out looking right at me. They got a.

[Alex Stein]

Why are you trying to be like that, bro?

[Tim Pool]

I just want a cigarette. Won't knock your ass out, bitch ass nigga. Don't come over here again.

[Alex Stein]

I'mma beat your ass.

[Tim Pool]

Black lives matter.

[James O'Keefe]

Previously in 2019, nine individuals were prosecuted by the Los Angeles d. A for this exact crime. They were exchanging cigarettes and cash for petition signatures, but none of it was on video and it wasn't captured to this extent. There were 14 counts primarily focused around payment for signatures, a violation of that California elections code 18603, claiming they had, quote, offered or gave money or other valuable consideration to another in exchange for his or her signature. So we found it particularly ironic that two police officers sitting nearby weren't even aware that this was a state or federal crime. Instead, officer Merovila of the LAPD dismissed it as a civil lawsuit.

[Tim Pool]

Do you know a lot of these

[Alex Stein]

people here that are making homeless sign

[Tim Pool]

petitions to pay cash for it?

[Alex Stein]

I haven't seen them. I mean, I've seen when they signed

[Tim Pool]

some type of paperwork, but I didn't

[Alex Stein]

know what they were doing. And I saw them at that right here at the light over here in the back. Yeah, but I don't know what it was for. Like maybe like two weeks ago, I saw them signing for something, but I don't know if they were getting like, money in exchanges.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think they're getting like two, three dollars from what I observed. But this is not. These are not votes. These are. These are signatures for Petitions and things like this.

[Alex Stein]

But it's the same thing. They're registering people to vote. I mean it's just right, right.

[Tim Pool]

Because what, what then happens is some of these are voter registrations and then a mail in voter arrives at a homeless shelter and come and the address

[Alex Stein]

that they put on there and this is your address. Nonprofit. I mean they're signing it. It's, it's a consensual, it's more of a civil thing.

[Tim Pool]

Oh my God.

[Alex Stein]

They're not telling them no. And maybe if they promise them something and they don't get it, it, it would be like a civil lawsuit type thing.

[James O'Keefe]

Oh, the law enforcement officers sitting nearby on skid row every single day don't know the California laws and plead ignorance. It begs the question, what are they even doing? And directly across the street from all of this is a homeless shelter called the Weingart Center, a quote, comprehensive human services organization committed to removing barriers that keep people from housing. The 990 tax return shows the Weingart center received $112 million through various grants in 2022, their latest public return. And that they have over 800 million in net assets. Weingart center also pays their executives between 400,000 and 600,000 a year. Weingart has been missing their audit deadlines by an alarmingly large and increasing margin. 21 months late last year with 8 negative findings. An article in LAS states that one of LA's biggest homeless service providers has been awarded over $100 million in taxpayer funds funds while failing to comply with federal audit mandates. The audits show multiple failures by Weingart center to properly account for taxpayer money that were not remedied from one year to the next. One of Weingart's primary funding sources is lassa, the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority. We couldn't help but wonder what would people that work for last to say about this voter fraud in skin row. When directly asked. We attended this special commission meeting waiting to find out. We spoke to Kathy Lenga who says she's seen the people petitioning for money and teaches the prospective fraudster on how to use plausible deniability and to practice ignorance of the law as an excuse.

[Tim Pool]

Right away they were giving out cash

[Brett Dastovich]

for him to sign petitions.

[Tim Pool]

So let me, let me just have you meet Brian.

[Brett Dastovich]

He can't help you.

[Tim Pool]

They go to the next. Go to, go to Skido and see if there's people out there with clipbo

[Brett Dastovich]

with clipboards and there and see if

[Tim Pool]

they would give him the cash for the petition. And do you think that's okay? I don't want him to get in trouble, though. Do you think it's okay for him to sign?

[Alex Stein]

What?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, you think we don't.

[Alex Stein]

Even if they see, they say ignorance is not excuse for the law.

[Tim Pool]

But a lot of times I have

[Alex Stein]

to say I didn't know.

[Tim Pool]

I had no idea. Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Alex Stein]

My cell phone only works half the time.

[Tim Pool]

How could I use this? And I can't afford a lawyer to ask.

[Brett Dastovich]

Oh, that would be what he should say.

[James O'Keefe]

Somebody's offering another Winegard employee. Intake coordinator Jason Warren tells our undercover journalist exactly where and when to find the petitioners who are brought breaking the law.

[Tim Pool]

I wanted to see if we can get where the petitions that are being

[Brett Dastovich]

signed to get cash so he can

[Tim Pool]

get some couple of dollars.

[Alex Stein]

Do you know where they are located?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know where those is that most time they'd be outside in the front or you got to go to the GR building where those at the GR is going to be on third and third place in Alameda. What is gr? GR is general relief. Oh, most time it'd be run right across the street under that tree. You can check with them Monday through Friday.

[James O'Keefe]

Warren also claims the petitioners have to gather a certain amount of signatures and then provide proof to show that they aren't stealing the money, which is apparently provided to them by a higher authority. According to Jason Warren.

[Alex Stein]

But I don't want him to get

[Brett Dastovich]

into any trouble or anything.

[Alex Stein]

Is that okay for him to accept cash for signing?

[Tim Pool]

Go through his stuffers and stuff.

[Phil Labonte]

They just want to sign them up to get a name they give.

[Tim Pool]

When they give the money up, they got to go back and tally up

[Phil Labonte]

if they stealing the money or not.

[Tim Pool]

So they gotta have.

[Alex Stein]

Spencer Pratt needs to be sharing this clip right now. Spencer Pratt involved with this shout out

[Tim Pool]

to James o' Keefe consistently hitting it out of the park. I mean, that's wild. Look at this. That's crazy, dude. So anyway, to the point, I recommend everybody check out James's like the full. The full video. But, you know, in your comment about whether Newsom and AOC can win, I. I think, like, let me do this. Have you seen the latest Inside Elections breakdown? Inside Elections is considered to be one of the most accurate pollsters. According to Inside Elections, Republicans only got to win one toss up to maintain control of the House in November, largely because of the redistricting efforts. So if you look at. Let's. What is this? Why am I not getting the. Where's that Stupid. That stupid thing. I want to switch it to Cook. There we go. Wait. Disappeared. Disappeared on me. I want to look up Cook political report, but it's. It's gone. I wonder why they did that. Well, this is the inside election map. Cook and Sabato have it at 213 and 212, so they would need either. That would be six or five. Five or six. But according to Inside Elections, it's just one. I think the redistricting efforts pushed things dramatically in favor of Republicans. And when SCOTUS drops this ruling, dude, Watson v. RNC could make this a 230 Republican. You know, 230, 205 or something.

[Phil Labonte]

Wonderful.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I, I don't see why the SCOTUS would not rule broadly on this.

[Alex Stein]

I know, but even if the conservatives are in power, we can't get the SAVE act passed in the Senate. So, I mean, do we think that all of a sudden we're gonna get.

[Tim Pool]

We don't.

[James O'Keefe]

I don't.

[Tim Pool]

I wonder if the reason why, like Trump goes after Massie but not Thune. Right.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I wonder if it's because they know Watson's coming down and they don't need to take the political flak over it. When, When Watson VRNC drops in a couple of weeks, it might be the end of demo. Like California is turning red. They can't ballot harvest anymore. And here's. You know, guys, you understand this. Watson v. RNC is a Mississippi court case. You know why?

[Alex Stein]

Because that's where all the race stuff was.

[Tim Pool]

No, because the Mississippi state knows they can intentionally throw the case. The state of Mississippi. So listen, if you filed a lawsuit against California over mail in votes and it was, it was California v. You know, RNC or whatever, they would fight really hard. They would use all of their resources, go to war. Mississippi is going to go, oh, no, our lawyers are just so dumb. We made a mistake. And SCOTUS is going to be like, no more mail in votes nationwide.

[Alex Stein]

I spent a lot of time in Jackson, Mississippi and Oxford, Mississippi. And that makes sense. Yeah. They don't want to fight. They're, you know, and, well, I mean, there's racial tension there and the white people are in power, but they're going

[Tim Pool]

to, they're, they're red state. They're going to say, send our, Send our solicitor to the SCOTUS and have them throw it. We want this gone. We want blue states to lose his ability. SCOTUS rules broadly, and my fingers are crossed. They say early voting and universal mail in voting violate the law because they allow for elections outside of election day. And the law passed in 1945 says you get one day to it for an election. I don't see how else they could rule on this. And when that happens, it's done. It's good. It's going to be 2:30 Republican. So I'm just going to say this. Earlier today, I actually had, I put 100 bucks on Republicans to sweep and 100 bucks on Republican to control. I sold those positions before putting up my videos today because I did not want to influence the, the prediction markets. So I sold my position so that I could not benefit from it. And I took a loss because I'm like, when this hammer drops, those are going to skyrocket in value. I don't, I don't want to see any profit from that. So I'll take a loss. Now, full disclosure, because I think people are going to, they're going to start buying for Republicans with this. Watson v. People don't know about this case. No one's been talking about the fact that they're about to rule on shutting down mail in voting. When is this going to be some. So they say mid end of June to early July.

[Phil Labonte]

The nuclear bomb, the big cases tend to come out at the end of June. So. And this is going to be one that has a lot of impact and

[Tim Pool]

it's going to be just before the midterm. So here's the thing. If SCOTUS really has these conservatives decided to join the fray, they are going to intentionally draw this out as long as they can just before the midterm so that Democrats have no ability to, to, to, to pivot it. It's going to be nuts, man. Spencer Pratt would have won if they say only votes on election day count. Spencer Pratt got second place.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean this, this shouldn't be some kind of, it shouldn't be some kind of big controversy, right? Like, the whole point of having an election day is to have one day where it happens. Like, just get the.

[Tim Pool]

But here's, here's the challenge. What if they say, fine, but that's federal elections and primary elections, state elections, we can do however we want. Want.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, it's.

[Tim Pool]

Supreme Court still could go nuclear and say with respect to state primaries, they must follow the established law of a single day for elections. Is that like they could go nuts?

[Brett Dastovich]

I mean, like, they're not even going to go into California now. Like, the federal government isn't going to go into California now, even though they've seen what they consider to Be observable.

[Tim Pool]

Cheating. They might not need to. Yeah. With Watson, vrnc, Trump and Thunano that might be sitting there being like, we don't have to move until we know what the SCOTUS is going to do. And SCOTUS very likely is going to rule in our favor.

[Brett Dastovich]

The media is going to go into overdrive and how they're going to paint it in the most negative way possible,

[Tim Pool]

of course, but who cares?

[Brett Dastovich]

It'll be crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Who cares? California will turn red. That's going to be nuts. They can't. They will not be able to win.

[Phil Labonte]

It would be an absolute joy to see.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's only a few weeks away. Few weeks. You think SCOTUS will do it? There's like this tiny little fly. I got one.

[Brett Dastovich]

So it's a different one than the one.

[Tim Pool]

I got. Three of them. Yeah, three little tiny flies.

[Brett Dastovich]

They're probably.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe they're screw worms.

[Brett Dastovich]

Probably NSA bugs.

[Alex Stein]

Oh, the screw worms. Bad. But actually there was some doctor that said there's some really cheap, like over the counter cream you can put on and it kills the screw worm.

[Tim Pool]

What if. But, oh, we got breaking news. Graham Platner has won his. His primary.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, we love Graham.

[Phil Labonte]

Why?

[Alex Stein]

Well, first of all, you know his thoughts on anti war, like Ro Khanna said, and the fact that there's a

[Tim Pool]

Totenkampf on his chest, that's awesome, right?

[Alex Stein]

Do we not like that? Look at all Phil's tattoos. You don't like tattoos now? Now you're anti tattoo.

[Phil Labonte]

None of mine are toten coughs then. None of my tattoos are Nazi tattoos.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I have one swastika tattoo like, oh, I'm a Nazi all of a sudden. I mean, I got it because I thought it was like a cool symbol and I was into yoga and that

[Phil Labonte]

used to be a symbol.

[Tim Pool]

I actually, actually I'm a fan of Graham Platner for his willingness to tell women to shut up and do as they're told. It's a great candidate for Democrats to vote for. Right?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He should be a Republican.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I thought it was awesome where

[Tim Pool]

he said that he a white. A woman abusing Nazi. That sounds like what Democrats claim Republicans.

[Alex Stein]

You don't think it's cool every time you see a porta Potty, you have to masturbate? I feel like I can empathize with that.

[Tim Pool]

He said.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. Are you kidding? Yeah, dude. Literally, he was sitting a DM saying that every. He. He posted it. He said that every time that he was in a porta Potty and he Smelled the blue aroma from the. The whatever. The blue pea sauce, whatever you call it.

[Tim Pool]

All said he wanted to rape guys.

[Phil Labonte]

He did.

[Tim Pool]

He did.

[Phil Labonte]

Just for dominance.

[Alex Stein]

I mean, not in a gay.

[Phil Labonte]

Not in a gay way, she said

[Tim Pool]

in a sexual way, but not in a gay way. I don't know if that's a thing.

[Alex Stein]

I don't.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think he said not in a sexual way, bro.

[Tim Pool]

It's kind of weird that he's a gay woman abusing racist Nazi Democrat. It's like.

[Alex Stein]

And he has a lot of support.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they love him. Yeah, I'm happy. So James Tellarico didn't, like. Apparently he came out and said no more trans and kids or something like that yet.

[Phil Labonte]

Did he?

[Alex Stein]

Well, he was in 2023, though. He was arguing in favor of cross sex hormones for kids. Like, he was actually fighting against how Texas was outlawing it. So if he's trying to, like, change his tune now.

[Tim Pool]

Did he? I saw that on Fox.

[Alex Stein]

Well, he's eating, like, barbecue now, and he was accused of being a vegan. And I mean, he's so fake. But I. You know, a lot of people, I'll say this. Ken Paxton does have a little bit of baggage. I like Ken. I'm friends with Ken, but he has much more baggage because I think there's been now three different staffers that worked for Talarico that said that they had a sexual relationship with him. So the guy guy, he might look like a little twerp, but he's a horn dog. So, I mean, Talarico is much worse than Ken Paxton if it comes to, like, sexual baggage.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yeah, I don't know what his exact quotas. Ken Paxton has accused him of flip flopping, but let me see if I can find.

[Alex Stein]

So is he saying now he's against

[Tim Pool]

flip flopping on what? Transgender kids.

[Brett Dastovich]

Isn't that just called finding your way back to this?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. James Talarico says he opposes gender reassignment surgery for minors. I'm very happy to hear that. It's fantastic. Next time any Democrat comes up and says you're a transfer, I'll be like, whoa, whoa. I'm in the Talarico side. I'm with James Talarico on this.

[Alex Stein]

Well, did you see the viral video of JLo? She was doing that, you know, that podcast where they do, like, confessions on the subway? And she's like, you're not a New Yorker unless you're born in New York. Like, the only way you're born in New York. And JLo has two trans daughters. And so, like, that's the joke. It's like, so you're only in New York if you're born in New Yorker, but if you're born a boy, you can all of a sudden become a girl. It's like if you're born in Mexico.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, Trans do, like.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. You know, it just doesn't make, you

[Tim Pool]

know, trans daughters or sons.

[Alex Stein]

What I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Are they guys?

[Alex Stein]

Vice versa?

[Tim Pool]

Who knows who's or hahas, you know what I'm saying?

[Alex Stein]

I don't know how trans her kids

[Tim Pool]

are, but I'm not really joking.

[Alex Stein]

So all I know is this, though it's funny because these people are oblivious to their own opinions.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it's funny. I'm sorry. I was gonna say I feel bad for Brad and Angelina Jolie's kids because no one knows who they are, so they assume every one of them is trans. Because there was that one kid who was trans, remember?

[Phil Labonte]

I do remember. They had a kid. That was true.

[Tim Pool]

They had a daughter that was like, I'm a guy now. And then like a couple years ago, like, two years ago, she was like, I'm not a guy anymore. I'm a girl. So now the actual other kids, there was a news story about one of their kids was a guy, and everybody was like, that's a woman.

[Alex Stein]

Oh, yeah. They all think they're trans now. Well, it's weird that. What? Megan Fox has, I think, three trans kids. I mean, it's. It's just weird that they.

[Tim Pool]

No, they're like.

[Alex Stein]

Are they like.

[Tim Pool]

No. No. But the worst thing is, like, aren't some of them adopting, like, little African kids and then transing them?

[Alex Stein]

It was Madonna that did that.

[Phil Labonte]

No, Angelina Jolie did as well.

[Alex Stein]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

She adopted a black kid and then trans them.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, my God. Look, man, it's so, like. Like ex. Like, mad scientist stuff. Like, well, let's do experiments on the little African kid and mix up his hormones and see what happens.

[Alex Stein]

Well, it's like there was a time. I don't know if you guys saw the movie the Blind side, where there's like. See, that was. America was a great country when you were the rich family. You adopted the black kid and tried to make him a good athlete, right? Like, try to get him to the NFL or NBA. Like, that's actually a good story. But now you have the rich people, they adopt a black kid and they try to turn him into a homosexual. So it's like, we've lost the plot. If we could go Back to trying to turn these kids into premier athletes. America would be great again.

[Tim Pool]

Google says she does not have an adoptive trans kid. I think she has adoptive kids, but I don't know about the.

[Brett Dastovich]

Yeah, I wasn't sure about that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Google says not. Not correct.

[Brett Dastovich]

I feel like for the most part now, people just. It's the same thing when they. When they accuse, like, literally, like, well, if they're in Hollywood, they're a pedo. Just by. Just by definition of being in Hollywood. So now they're like, oh, they're Charlize Thrones. Charlize Theron.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. She has a adopted black trans. It was her. It was. It was. You got it wrong. It wasn't Angelina. It was. It was Charlize.

[Brett Dastovich]

You did see that. Three of them, like, three of Brad Pitt's kids, like, got rid of their. Like, they went and took their mother's name.

[Tim Pool]

Charlize Theron adopted a black boy and then put him in a dress.

[Alex Stein]

That's evil. That's so disgusting.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go. Wait, wait, wait. Like, yo, black people are pissed. Check this out. Atlanta black star folks have questions about how Charlize Theron is raising her adopted son. Because she put him in a dress and said he was a girl.

[Alex Stein]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

I feel like this is doing some weird science experiment on this kid. Trying to do the whole nature versus nurture thing like they did in the 60s, which failed. I don't like it at all. I agree. She's experimenting on African kids, man.

[Brett Dastovich]

Hollywood luxury beliefs. This raises her status in the community in Hollywood.

[Tim Pool]

Yep, sure, sure. But like, I'm just saying, it comes off like mad scientist horror movie stuff, you know? We'll see some white lady, like, kidnaps a couple black kids, like, I'm gonna turn you into girls. And they're like, stop. And she's, like, injecting with hormones.

[Alex Stein]

That would be actually a hit movie that probably won an Oscar. But I will say. I will say this.

[Tim Pool]

No, because it would have to be a good thing. Well, like, here's what.

[Brett Dastovich]

Actually, it would portray it as a good thing.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no, no. The horror movie that would win an Oscar is a. A woman adopts two black kids who ask to be trans. So she gives them the shots, and then an evil mad scientist says, no, I'm gonna take these away and kidnap you and make you be boys.

[Alex Stein]

What was the movie? No wire hangers. I forget, like, where the girl gets Mommy Dearest. Yeah, like that.

[Tim Pool]

But what was that?

[Alex Stein]

Mommy Dearest is a scary. It's kind of a scary movie. Like, you know, where this, you know, abusive mom, where I think they could, you know, extrapolate that, where you have Charlize Theron transing her kids. But I will say the nature versus nurture argument is correct. But then when it comes to Carmel, Anthony went to an affluent neighborhood school, you know, first good memorial, and still stabbed a guy in the heart. So it's kind of like.

[Phil Labonte]

No, the, the nurture part is the wrong part.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe, maybe if Carmelo was put on cross sex hormones, it would have dropped his, like, he'd be like more docile and.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, get rid of the testosterone. No, the nurture part is wrong. Like people, people are born with predispositions. You, obviously, you can affect those predispositions by the way they're raised and stuff. But if you've got, you know, if you've got a short temper, that's something that you're born with. If you, if you have, if you are, have like Jordan Peterson talks about this stuff all the time. If you have high conscientiousness, that's a, that's a born in trade. It's not. You're not, you, you're not going to learn how to do that. Or if you do, it's going to be something that you, you are an adult. You realize that you don't have high conscience. Just you're going to put a lot of work into changing your habits. But it's not something like the idea that you can just be born and, you know, the, I think it was the, the moody guy, the first trans doctor or whatever. There was a child.

[Tim Pool]

Money.

[Phil Labonte]

That money. Yeah, the money a child was born, had. A male child was born, had a botched circumcision. Circumcision. So they cut off his penis and balls and they said, okay, we're gonna raise you as a girl. Girl ended up committing suicide because his brother. Yeah, yeah, it was, it was a total, total mess. But that's because we do have innate certain characteristics. And if you're a boy, you are a boy.

[Tim Pool]

The left argues that case to prove transgenderism.

[Phil Labonte]

That's insane.

[Tim Pool]

They argue that how? Yeah, because they took a boy who identified as a boy and forced him to live as a girl, proving that people have innate gender within them and that people who know that their gender is a girl being forced to live as a boy will result in suicide. Just like in the John Money case.

[Phil Labonte]

That's.

[Alex Stein]

Well, with Chloe Cole. That is. And it's just not her story. But that is constantly what the doctors do. If the parents are against their kids transitioning, they say, oh, your kids are going to commit suicide. It's like the number one manipulation tactic to get parents to.

[Tim Pool]

What they're really saying is spaying new to your kids.

[Alex Stein]

And that's actually. That's like the overall conspiracy is they want us all sexually confused. They want everybody on cross sex hormones so that they have atrophied penises so that we keep the population down while.

[Tim Pool]

You know why? Why?

[Alex Stein]

Because climate change.

[Tim Pool]

Because it's because the Asgardians or Nordics as people refer to them, or some call them the Arids, who live beyond the ice wall are like, look, the. The.

[Alex Stein]

You say that jokingly, but they. They're.

[Tim Pool]

The inner. The inner lands are becoming too populous, so we've got to reduce. It's like, you got a chicken coop and you got a hundred chickens. You're like, that's too many chickens, dude.

[Alex Stein]

I'm an ice wall expert, so let's not even get into that.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, okay. Homeboy wouldn't even go. I said, I will pay for your trip.

[Alex Stein]

I don't go to Antarctica because I don't like this snow. I'm from Texas. Oh, listen, I'm always going to hear about Antarctica, but I do think that you see, like, Bill Gates or in the pandemic, say, oh, we need to reduce the population by 15% because of climate change. These people are so sick. They actually want us to not procreate as much because they actually think that that would be better for the climate.

[Brett Dastovich]

I do believe there's also a lot of them.

[Tim Pool]

I don't. I don't.

[Brett Dastovich]

There's also a lot of them.

[Alex Stein]

Bill Gates has said that on record.

[Tim Pool]

I do not believe these people think climate change is real. Oh, you don't buy beachfront property on

[Alex Stein]

Martha's Vineyard if you think Barack Obama,

[Tim Pool]

the water level is going to rise.

[Alex Stein]

Bill Gates, I think, has the biggest house in San Diego or something.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's like on the water, like, oh, Clementine is going to come.

[Phil Labonte]

I better.

[Tim Pool]

One argument is they're fighting climate change so they can have their beachfront property. But realistically, doesn't make sense because you're not going to win whatever stupid fight they're engaging in. And even Greta Thunberg is now on the we need oil train.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, yeah. She goes, we need to get more oil to Cuba. The people need it.

[Brett Dastovich]

It does mean it does actually kind of work out if you're somebody at that level of wealth who can afford to have a beach property. Front. Front property, but not have to worry about whether it gets washed away or not. They're like, look, I don't need it. If it gets washed away, that's fine.

[Tim Pool]

You go to Bill Gates, you say, if you believe in climate change, why'd you buy a $10 million mansion on the water? And he goes, can't, because I'm a billionaire. What do I care?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, well, but I'm such a conspiracy theorist. I go to the Georgia guidestones, which were knocked down, where they want to reduce the population to like, 500 million.

[Tim Pool]

You're wrong. The Georgia guidestones were created around the time there was a fear of a nuclear apocalypse. And a bunch of wealthy donors got together to say, if we all die, how does civilization restart? Let's build guidestones to tell them what to do. Now, that being said, the ideas on it to keep the population at 500 million or less, I think is a hint towards they want less people. But again, the purpose of the guidestones was built out of fear of a nuclear apocalypse. That's why it had, like, mathematical equations. It had like a sundial or whatever, and it had, like base. Base languages on it and stuff like that.

[Alex Stein]

So that people got knocked down, some

[Tim Pool]

car, like, slammed into it.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Alex Stein]

Or something like that.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. And then, you know, they say, well, you know, if you watch documentaries on it, it was Ted Turner that, you know, paid for it to get built.

[Tim Pool]

But you know, why it got destroyed, right?

[Alex Stein]

Well, I think people are going there and like, you know, the person, the people.

[Tim Pool]

The reason it was destroyed was because the powers that be don't want us to have access to translations and basic math if they EMP blast us back to the Stone Age.

[Brett Dastovich]

It's also why they're not going to teach your kids.

[Tim Pool]

So let's, let's, let's, let's. I want to make this true.

[Alex Stein]

They don't teach cursive.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, it's gone. I want to make sure this is clear for everybody. Let's say. Let's say the Adam and Eve theory is real. The every 6,500 years, there is a pole shift and the planet flips 90 degrees, causing a massive flood that wipes out civilization.

[Alex Stein]

Well, there was a flood at one point. Of course.

[Tim Pool]

Of course. I mean, there's been many floods and there's been big. But. But let's say Adam and Eve. It's a conspiracy theory, but it was a. It was a book. I believe it originated from the CIA or a story that originated from the CIA where they claimed this was the case. And now there's a lot of people who believe we may be on the verge of it. Let's say that's true. The powers that be of underground bases, space stations, and they're experimenting with going to Mars and doing these things. They've got Mount Weather, Raven Rock, and that's just what we know about. They have likely created situations in which if there is a great flood that lasts 40 days, they'll be. Have no problem to survive and maintain technology. They don't want you survivors on the surface to have access to basic information. So the guidestones get destroyed because the guidestones had on them basic translation and basic math and star mapping. And the rules are. The rules are less important. Like, everyone remembers the rules where it's like, keep the population under 500 million, but on it, you could. You could. It was like a Rosetta Stone for various languages intentionally, if the flood happens, they want us confused and unable to communicate and work with each other.

[Alex Stein]

Well, the Georgia guy stones too. You are right, though, how they had, like, you could see the North Star from any angle at any time of the day, you know, So I don't know. I think that there is a conspiracy that one day they want to, you know, decrease the population. I don't know how they do that. I don't think it's. I don't think it's gonna be a nuclear war. I think it will be like something.

[Tim Pool]

It was bombed. Someone was saying.

[Alex Stein]

I thought it was like, I think it'll be a natural disaster if that does have, like, another flood.

[Tim Pool]

I. I think there's. There's an interest. I think the. You know, talking with Ben Davidson about the Adam and Eve theory. This dude, we've interviewed him several times. He is not some, like, flat earth conspiracy guy who makes weird arguments and like, you know, ice wall. This. He's just. He's tracking solar weather patterns. I interview him, and everything he says is, like, actually rooted in mainstream science. He just has a different view of what. What it would result in. So, like, to exemplify, there are people who are like, you know, there's a great ice wall, and you can't go there because the military will block you. And it's like, well, that's like untestable. Like, you can. Like, there are people who've gone to Antarctica. You know what I mean?

[Alex Stein]

Unapproved cruises and a government and then stuff.

[Tim Pool]

And people who work at McMurdo and who are on the Internet, like, you could argue it's all a lie. Or whatever. But again, that's like a nebulous thing. Ben doesn't do that. Ben says, oh, no, here's the official report from, you know, like Noah and from like NASA pertaining to solar activity. We've got independent research stations that say this thing just happened. And then he's like, here's, you know, a good example is he talked about the Indonesian glaciers. And he was like, there's a. There are glaciers in Indonesia. They've been there for a very long time. The remnants of the ice age. All of it is like he's got all this mainstream normal science. You can track all the real data. It's all happening. And then he says, I think one plus two equals three. Whereas mainstream, the mainstream science says, no, no, no, it's two plus two equals four. So they're all looking at, he's look like, this is why I find what he's. What he says to be compelling. He's looking at the real science and then giving you an argument to what he thinks comes next. He's not saying the science is lying to you and they've made it up. You know what I mean?

[Alex Stein]

Well, all I know is that they're putting Kool Aid in pineapple jars and it's the most delicious thing ever. Have you had the Kool Aid pineapple yet?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Alex Stein]

You guys never had that yet? No. What?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Alex Stein]

See that is, that's like where our country's.

[Tim Pool]

We used to put Kool Aid in pickle jars.

[Alex Stein]

Well, now they're putting it in pineapple.

[Tim Pool]

That was Sam hydrated.

[Alex Stein]

The most delicious thing ever. So I would say that like, like if we really want to get into

[Tim Pool]

actually a good idea.

[Alex Stein]

To be honest, it is. Well, there's two things I want to say. I think the Artemis mission was fake and I think Jeremy from the quartering is evil for striking the Kino Casino guys.

[Tim Pool]

What does that have to do with.

[Alex Stein]

Nothing. I just wanted to mention that tonight, you know, I know that.

[Tim Pool]

What did you do?

[Alex Stein]

You didn't see what Jeremy did. I want to bring it up because Jeremy, you know, I want to actually bring this point up and I want to make.

[Tim Pool]

I don't watch any of this stuff. It's like low tier YouTube.

[Alex Stein]

Always been sneak dissing you for a long time, Tim. And you know, I was friends with Jeremy and you're friendly with Jeremy me, but just he, you know, gets. Hannah Claire does this. You know, he's always. I know. And you're happy that Hannah Claire's got a gig. I'm just saying I Know, you know, I'm just saying. But Hannah Claire knows I'm not even trying to make it about me.

[Tim Pool]

Do you have any idea how many people are lying about me and. And screwing with me or just threatening to murder me?

[Phil Labonte]

Every people.

[Tim Pool]

But I ain't sitting here being like, oh, no, Jeremy said a naughty word about me.

[Alex Stein]

I don't think he has anything bad about you. I'm just saying he went. He tried to censor the Kino Casino. Guys.

[Tim Pool]

What is that? What is that?

[Alex Stein]

It backfires. So there's a guy, a ppp. He's very funny and Warski. Yes. You've never seen the Kino casino?

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't talk about.

[Alex Stein]

Dude, they've been, you know, going after Jeremy saying that they have evidence, which I don't agree with. Jeremy, that your wife and they have a bull and that, you know, he pays him by guy to bang his wife. I didn't say that. I don't agree with that. Jeremy just went that on the.

[Tim Pool]

Is that like they made something up about him?

[Alex Stein]

Well, they do think that they have evidence. My point is they've been going after him very hard. Unfairly. People attack you. People attack me. People attack Phil. I mean, that's the Internet culture that we live in.

[Phil Labonte]

Nobody attacks. That's me.

[Alex Stein]

My point is he went and actually got their channel taken down on YouTube.

[Tim Pool]

He actually got taken down.

[Alex Stein]

He actually got taken down. They. Their. Their channel got taken down. And Carter can give us a better. You know, I think.

[Tim Pool]

I can't. I don't follow this stuff. What do you mean you don't follow Carter? You're such a liar.

[Alex Stein]

What are you talking about? Hannah, Claire left his show because of all this.

[Phil Labonte]

No. What?

[Alex Stein]

No comment.

[Tim Pool]

I have no idea, bro. We don't follow any of this stuff.

[Alex Stein]

Okay? So his co host, Melanie Mack was like defeated.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Alex Stein]

Oh, my go. All involved in this. You're involved.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not involved.

[Tim Pool]

I'm involved. What?

[Alex Stein]

We're all involved in this.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Alex Stein]

I thought this would. Listen. I'm clip farming right now, but honest, I am.

[Tim Pool]

That's why you brought it up? Yeah. We're all just like, what are you talking about?

[Alex Stein]

I just wanted to clip farm because Carter's here.

[Tim Pool]

I saw, I saw something. I saw a clip on X. I saw. I saw a clip on X where someone said something about him and I just scrolled past it. I didn't really think much of it. They were like, he got someone flagged and I didn't know anything about any of the claims nor Do I really care here? I gotta be honest, there's a lot of drama as it pertains to, like, YouTubers and stuff. The only one that I've talked about recently was Ethan Klein versus the live streamers. You know this one?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

This is one of the biggest, bro. This is one of the biggest cases. If. If Ethan Klein loses this, it means that we will be able to go on Tim cast irl title the episode I Hate Marvel and play Avengers Doomsday

[Phil Labonte]

in full and just talk smack about

[Tim Pool]

it and just sit there and watch and say, this is awful. Look at the colors they chose. What this court has ruled. And again, it's not the incorrect ruling. It's based on precedent coming from a Hughes v. Benjamin and previous cases. And this is the natural conclusion of fair use. I gotta say this, I gotta say we gotta go to chats, but I gotta bring this up because this is much more important drama. I knew this was coming. And the preliminary ruling right now is that Ethan Klein cannot get the suit dismissed. He's got to have a response. The streamer watched his documentary in full and even apparently, according to the case said, don't give him views. Watch here instead. Or something that affect his argument was watching the full thing with commentary otherwise and telling people, don't give me views is literal market infringement, which is not fair use. Fair use, people don't understand this is copyright infringement, but it is protected copyright infringement for a variety of factors.

[Brett Dastovich]

Produce.

[Tim Pool]

One of the most important questions is, does this infringe on the market of the content producer the way it was historically taken to be? I cannot show a clip from Star Trek on this show because Paramount licenses clips from Star Trek. So they would argue the reason that's not fair use, even if it is commentary or in the public news. In public good, because it infringes on our market to sell these clips to people who do want to make these shows. So I've actually had YouTube take hard, hard copyright, block one of my videos on the Tim Pool show because I was talking about American culture and I showed a clip for that was like 20 seconds from Star Trek explaining why the 90s were good and the message was being brought and it was culturally relevant and they flagged it, locked it. I appealed it, said if I want to. They rejected the appeal, then said I'd have to sue. I consulted with counsel and they said, you will lose against Paramount because they license this content. And that means that it's not fair use because now you are directly infringing their market. Which is to sell you a license to use the content. But with the Ethan Klein case, if this gets set then precedent then it then is out the window and we're gonna watch some Avengers Doomsday.

[Brett Dastovich]

It's not gonna matter because you might have a legal team but the average everyday youtuber doesn't have a legal team. They're gonna file the copyright claim and they're not gonna be able to fight it.

[Tim Pool]

It, it does matter because the streamer that was sued by Fin Klein also doesn't have a leak. She only has legal advisory and filed on her own behalf and was a small streamer. But what matters is if she wins. I don't care about the small creators decision to watch Age of Ultron or some other Avengers movie. It means bigger shows can now play feature length films in their entirety. So long as you post it with

[Brett Dastovich]

some critique, it will get copyright claimed

[Tim Pool]

by the company and it will lose in summary dismissal is the point.

[Brett Dastovich]

It will never make precedent dismissal. The people. What do you mean they will appeal?

[Tim Pool]

Let's stop. I'm saying you, you are saying that if Paramount files a lawsuit against me, against you. And then I just said I don't care about the small creators and what they do. I said we can watch. It means bigger creators who will, they'll file a suit and I'll file a summary dismissal and they'll got to pay my court costs if precedent gets set.

[Brett Dastovich]

The precedent may change for bigger creators. But for the people that exist on YouTube that don't have that, who cares? Well, I mean because it matters to people who do create in space.

[Tim Pool]

That was never my point. My point was, was we, if that precedent is set on this show can play Avengers Doomsday movie comes out that

[Alex Stein]

actually Paramount should want people playing their content and reacting to it because more people will see it. I know they might lose money from that. But it's same like well you actually want people reacting to your content even if they're saying negative things about it.

[Tim Pool]

This is the important thing to understand. There's a, there was an app where people could put a movie on and all hang out together and watch it and they had to get licenses for these films we had talked about in the past. It would be great to do a show that was like mystery science theater 3000 but you can't because it's an infringement issue. This changes the game. The Ethan Klein lawsuit could set precedent. He's got a preliminary loss. If the argument for the judge stands and there's no appeal or anything, then it's the beginning. It's not yet precedent, but it's the beginning of setting precedent where we would be able to do a Mystery science theater for any feature length film. And listen, I'm gonna tell you why it's gonna happen. You wanna know why it is going to happen? Happen? Because this was the playbook the whole time for AI. Jack Dorsey, Elon Musk have advocated for the end of intellectual property rights. When these court issues the issue these rulings, the big companies are going to go, oh no. Oh geez. Oh no. What?

[Alex Stein]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

Oh God. And then they're going to buy up control of the AI generated video platforms. They'll have access to all intellectual property under fair use transformation. And you'll be able to make Spider man fight the Powerpuff Girls. And when Sony tries claiming that's our ip, say no. It's transformative. Because now Spider man is fighting an alternate universe character and we're commenting on it.

[Brett Dastovich]

See, what I want to do now is I want to just have every day do watch alongs with some copyrighted like copyrighted content. And I'm like, I don't care how much of Tim Pool's money I have to spend to keep watching these movies and commenting. I'm going to do it. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, we got to go to your rants and super chats. So smash the like button, share the show. We're going to talk about some dark and dangerous things on the uncensored portion of the show. You don't want to miss it. But in the meantime, MEO says there can be no coexistence with Islam. You cannot coexist with someone whose core values are to dominate you. Interesting.

[Alex Stein]

I don't know if I agree with that. You know, I, I got canceled for this. I did an interview with this guy Beck Lever. And listen, these Muslims, they do have this thing where you know, if they kill you, it's all okay in the Quran and they get 72 virgins religions. But I would argue that most Muslims aren't violent just like most Indians and most Jews and most white people are not violent. So that's my argument today.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go. God's omen says your video earlier about the girl who was your friend, but not now, you said a really good line. Power in my hands is better than power in your hands because you're a liar. Should be a T shirt. Yeah. For those that don't know, you know, I have this thing where I do not engage in political controversy with people who are my friends. Friends. So I have Long mentioned. I have many liberal and progressive people that I consider friends. There are some progressive activists I have known literally my whole life, since I was a teenager that I am still friendly with and still talk with despite our very serious disagreements. I always find it funny when I go on social media and I'll see, like, my friend post this, like crazy far left trans kids activism, and then I'm posting the opposite. But when it comes to us being friends, we do not attack each other over these things because we kind of understand politics. Politics. That being said, said Milano vine troupe decided to actually make a statement to me when I commented on one of her posts. I've commented on her posts periodically throughout the years because we used to be friends. And for those that don't know who that is, she's lily from the AT&T commercials. She's also in Project Hail Mary and she's been campaigning for Nithya Raman. And so she made a post about it and I commented, how do you. I said something like, how, how, how do you think she was able to pull ahead of Karen Bass? Like pull out of Karen Bass in late mail in votes in a single jurisdiction? Highly impressive. It's like, because I intentionally do not antagonize or even on my show, name the people that I've been friends with for a long time who are progressives, I'm not going to start a fight. Well, she responded with, I'm a greedy, humorless incel who sold his morals for views. And she learned long ago that you like insulting me, me. And I said, you know, my response to her was like, you never once called me or messaged me or anything. The last time I talked to her, considering, you know, my attitude is we're not friends anymore, okay? Now you're just a progressive activist and if you want to insult me and lie. So my first statement was, when I met her, I was already rich, so calling me greedy is ridiculous. She calls me humorless despite the fact that I laughed at her comedy. At her comedy. I went with her to a comedy show where she performed and I laughed and I made jokes she laughed at. So that's clearly a lie. And I'm married with a kid and she knows this, so clearly the incel thing all just lies. And I think this is a perfect example of the left right divide. And that's why I thought, you know, I'm going to talk about it. I thought about it for a while because I'm like, in all the years that I had known her and all the things she had said, and all the press of activism she does because again, she's a celebrity. I never said this. You know, Milano, vine troupe, look how big she is and look what she's advocating for. I disagree. I've never even brought her up. I said, you know what, this is off limits because we're friends and I'm not going to get into it. And my comment never insulted or anything like that. So she decides to insult me. So we're not friends anymore. Okay? So, so, so be it. I think this perfectly exemplifies the left right divide. She made a video about a campaign for Nithya Rahman where she just disparaged Spencer Pratt, didn't explain his positions. And that's fine. It's campaigning. And I look at the way she frames things and I say, right, Nithya Rahman is accumulating votes through illicit activities, through ballot harvesting. It's all legal, but it is underhanded. And that's the problem with the left. I have no problem texting a progressive that I've known for years and having a conversation or inviting him on the show or anything like that. The response they give is, you have defied our orthodoxy. You are now our enemy. And so my response was, this shows exactly what kind of friend you have always been, been. So I will just say this. Many of my early videos on the Tim Cast channel are at her house, like hanging out with her in la. And she let me crash there. And I will say this too. She said that I changed. And I want to make sure this point is absolutely clear to everybody because it exemplifies again, the culture war when I was at her house and it was. I've. I hung out with her for years and over a period of years, I should say. And I stayed at her place when I was in la. She had friends come over. Her friends are progressives. We all had very nice cordial conversations about Trump, Trump supporters. And there was one great conversation where I was sitting down with her and a bunch of her friends and they were talking about Trump supporters being racist and all that. And I said explicitly, I think it's like 2017 or 18. I said, oh, they're not racist. I said, I think there are racists and I think there are racists who support Trump. But like, your average Trump supporter is like a working class guy who lives in the suburbs or in like a rural area. I think the concerns they have with, like, things that Trump is bringing up is like political elitism, the will of the people. I explained all this stuff we all talk about on the show. And they all nodded along and said, oh, okay, well I, you know, blah, blah. We agreed. I talked to her, her personally about all of these issues. One of the first conversations we ever had was over gun rights where she told me no one should be allowed to have guns. And I argued that, you know, I have a story where I was in Miami and someone broke into the, like jumped out of property and there had been murders, like, what should I do? And it was, it was a good conversation. She knows my opinions going back to when we met back in like 2013 or something. All of my opinions are relatively the exact same as they've always been. I made YouTube videos in her house. So for her to now say that I'm a greedy, humorless incel who's changed my views for money, what she's really saying is over time our lust for power has come to preclude the likes of you and my willingness to have a conversation with you. You are an. That's it. That's what she said. And I think that exemplifies exactly what the left really is, or at least so many of them.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I.

[Tim Pool]

And I will. I gotta always get this real quick shout out to Brian Shapiro. Everybody knows Brian Shapiro. The right calls him lying crying Brian. He's a friend of mine. We play poker together. He's very funny. We disagree on all these things, but he exemplifies what is good in people who actually may have disagreements. And I would much prefer that people like Brian, despite him being vitriolic in these Piers Morgan's debates. I would prefer the left be him where he will actually still come to dinner with you and say, no, no, look, we disagree and I'll call you names, but I can hang out with you. And that I agree with.

[Phil Labonte]

He's frustrating.

[Alex Stein]

I know he's bad on the Internet, but I like Brian. I talk to Brian all the. But I will say this though, Tim, you're acting like you don't want to change. I think there's an argument to be made that the caterpillar into the butterfly, like we should be changing, like we should always be evolving a little bit. So I think.

[Tim Pool]

But my point is simply that for her to claim that I sold my morals for you. He said you used to be smart.

[Brett Dastovich]

Smart.

[Tim Pool]

My views haven't changed. It like my views have only changed slightly on the Constitution and on gun rights. More so in favor of gun rights. But again, one of the first things we ever talked about when I met her was we need to have guns because these and it was a nice conversation. It was cordial for her to then claim that the same views I told her to her face are me changing. I think really just shows that the left is a cult. They like. I'll put it this way. How about if she had a problem, she just sent me a text and just say, like publicly. Yeah, yeah, it's got to be publicly. But not even, not even at the comment on her post at any point in time when she said, I don't like what you're doing, she could have called me and said, like, what's, what's happening? Like, I watched this video. You did. And we could have talked about it. And likely, I guarantee what happened is she watched a fake video from some lefty that was clickbait garbage. And instead of saying like is this real or what's going on, she just decided to say I now hate you. Which says to me, I don't think we're ever really friends. I think her world is just accumulate power through social connections. And I think the difference between whatever it is we do. I'm not saying every Trump supporter is like this, but the right tends to be a quest for truth and functionality with an assertion of more a moral worldview and the left tends to be a moral worldview desperate for power again. Curtis Yarvis. Curtis Yarvin puts it very, very well. The right treats power like a, like a wine snob treats alcohol. And Democrats treat power the way an alcoholic treats alcohol. I'm going to, I'm going to go a little bit like I, I was rambling and we got to get some of your rumble ransom. But Chess, it wouldn't be fair if I didn't get them. So we'll just grab a couple more. I think I saw someone have a baby in the YouTube. Well, we'll try and get it. Rasputin says. Tim, you are wrong. The US Constitution is meant to defend state citizens against tyranny of the state. State constitutions are meant to defend citizens against federal tyranny. Tyranny. Read what the founding fathers wrote about the federal constitution. I don't know if your point is actually contradictory to what I'm saying.

[Phil Labonte]

The.

[Tim Pool]

The federal Constitution was meant to constrain the federal government. The state constitutions were meant to constrain constraint. Constrain state government. That's not the other way around. State constitutions aren't meant. You said the state constitutes. Are meant to defend against federal tyranny. I don't think that quite makes sense when for Instance, the Pennsylvania constitution specifically outlines how they vote in Pennsylvania. Has nothing to do with the federal government at all. So let's grab a couple of the YouTubes, a couple of the YouTubes over here. Uh, let's see. Yeah, but I'll just, I'll just say one, one, one more time. Like there are a lot of people that I'm friends with their prominent progressive personalities or celebrities. I've never mentioned their names because I'm like, ah, they're off limits. They're friends. I'm not going to start a drama beef with someone who's literally a friend of mine. But, but you know, I haven't talked, spoken with Melana since she tried to overturn racial discrimination protections. Not an exaggeration. She was advocating that California overturn their civil rights protections in their constitution. So I privately messaged her and we talked on the phone and I explained her that I thought it was dangerous to give the government the ability to discriminate on the basis of race in schooling and contracting. And she said she was in favor of it. And I said, I think that's literal white supremacy. I think, think that like to reverse the civil rights era provisions that were put in the Constitution. And she said, I agree with it. And I said, okay, agree, disagree, I guess. So at any point she had a disagreement, she could have done what I did and just called and talked about it.

[Alex Stein]

Well, Rachel Wilson, 20, super chat. I remember how charitable and reasonable Brian Shapiro was to me. Irl. You guys got to be kidding me. Dude is nuts. What did Rachel and Brian, I didn't know they had a crush.

[Tim Pool]

Brian. Brian is extremely vitriolic.

[Alex Stein]

He is. I agree.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's kind of, I'm like, I'm sitting next to. But, but like, but if you ask him to get food with you, he will say yes.

[Brett Dastovich]

Maybe it's cause you pay though. Like, do you pay for dinner? Maybe he just wants a free dinner.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no.

[Alex Stein]

He's like, his points are garbage, but he's actually a laid back guy.

[Tim Pool]

We went to Vegas. Brian hit me up and said, I heard you're coming to Vegas. Let's, let's, let's hang out. I said, absolutely. We went and played poker and it was hilarious. We played with Brad Garrett was there. It was awesome. He came.

[Alex Stein]

Brad Garrett's a legend.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Everybody Loves Raymond and Brian, Brian stacked him and took a grand from him. It was from Brad Garrett. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Brad Garrett had two pair, but Brian had flopped straight.

[Alex Stein]

Brian's a retarded. Libtard. But he's kind of nice in person. I'll just say that that's my point,

[Tim Pool]

is, like, Brian will go online and post crazy things, and then he'll be like, well, look, man, like, when we hang out, we can kind of chill out.

[Alex Stein]

He does say he doesn't like trans in women's sports. He's actually on our side of that.

[Tim Pool]

My point is, is between, like, Brian and Milana. Milana doesn't like my politics, so she calls me an incel. Humorless, despite the fact that we had been friends and I've known her for over a decade. Brian goes online and says crazy vitriolic things and starts fights with people, but says, well, I'll hang out with you if you ask, and I'll be nice to you if you ask. And like, he's like, to Rachel, if you wanted to grab dinner with Brian and ask him to be polite, he would say yes. He would say absolutely, and he would not be mean to you. I agreed. He can be nuts on social media. Like, literally at the poker table, he's like, look what I said to this person. And I was like, brian, why do you post stuff like that?

[Alex Stein]

I know he will. He's rage baiting. Like, that's what he does. I mean, he's just a little bit.

[Tim Pool]

And so that's allowed. Like, Milano wants to campaign for Nithya Raman, and I think Nithya Rahman uses illicit voting practices. Who's the guy you debated?

[Brett Dastovich]

Who's.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't. I didn't insult her over it. I didn't. I did not make a video where I said, screw you, blah, blah, blah. How did you do this?

[Brett Dastovich]

What was the tweet you said again?

[Tim Pool]

Which one?

[Brett Dastovich]

The tweet to her about Nithya Rahman.

[Tim Pool]

I said, I posted on Instagram something like, how do you think she was able to do so well in early voting, surpassing Karen Bass in a single jurisdiction ballot? Highly impressive.

[Brett Dastovich]

I mean, she may have taken that as sarcasm.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's. That's. That's another part of the problem. I was literally legitimately asking, like, wow, like, this candidate you campaigned for outperformed in early voting. How do you think it is? Here's the reality. I think Milana knows full well they are cheating. I think she knows exactly that. If she answered that question, it would expose what they are doing. So instead of saying, we dispatch activists to go knock on nursing home doors, ask people who they're voting for, and if they're against us, we ignore them and leave. And if they're for us, we collect their ballot and we get paid to do it. I think that would kind of be bad for your political worldview. So instead it's, you're a humorless, greedy incel and you've sold your soul, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, right. This is the thing about, like, we had Destiny on the show, and Destiny's on a. He's unabashed. And this is years ago, we talked about COVID I think it was Covid, and how Democrats were using this to implement policy changes. And he says, when else would you. And I was like, what? And he goes like, of course they did. And I said, hold on, an emergency happened. So Democrats use that to exploit the fear of the people to gain power. And he goes, yes. And I said, I think that's wrong. And he goes, I don't. And I said, okay, I respect that,

[Alex Stein]

like Hillary record saying, don't let a disaster go to waste.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what I respect about Destiny in that regard is he says, this is literally what we're doing because we should. And I'm like, wow, I think that's evil. And he goes, okay, well, I don't. And I'm like, well, at least you're saying outright what you're doing. We got to go to the members only uncensored portion. Smash the like button, share the show, all that good stuff. We'll talk more about this. We'll keep it going. We can spill the beans on a bunch. You know what?

[Alex Stein]

I'll just get spicy in the members

[Tim Pool]

portion because Alex got to say naughty things. Follow me. Follow me on X and Instagram. Tim Castalex what you got?

[Alex Stein]

Alextein99 I'm going on tour the whole month of July. Come see me. I'm coming to a city near you. Alextein99.com Guys, if you want to follow

[Brett Dastovich]

me, I'm on Instagram and on X. Brett Dastovic on both of those platforms. You should watch Pop Culture Crisis. We are live Monday through Friday, 3pm Eastern Standard Time, noon Pacific. YouTube and rumble. I'm also doing bonus content shows over on the Tim Discord every other Saturday. I'm doing like a one hour PCC event where I do some news in the pop culture space and then talk to callers. It's a lot of fun. You should go become a Tim cast member.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Fill the Remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify and Deezer. This Sunday we are playing at the Warp tour in Washington, D.C. you can get your tickets@Warp Tour.com. don't forget.

[Alex Stein]

That's sick. You're playing on the Warp Tour this weekend. But you're.

[Tim Pool]

This weekend.

[Alex Stein]

Weekend.

[Phil Labonte]

It's Sunday. Yeah.

[Alex Stein]

Oh, man.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait. Where is it at? In D.C. are we going to skate?

[Phil Labonte]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

That's when. The UFC.

[Alex Stein]

That's awesome.

[Phil Labonte]

Same day.

[Tim Pool]

It's going to be nuts.

[Phil Labonte]

Where in D.C. i want to say Kennedy Park.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, we. We. We had talked about us. I'd love to skate the mini ramp if we could get in. They're going to have one, right?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I'd have to it. They usually did, but I think the problem for me is just security would be nuts.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, they're going to, like. There's probably, like, a mall.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no. Like, anytime I got to go somewhere, I have a bodyguard.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, but one bodyguard's not going to help you at the Warp Tour.

[Phil Labonte]

Or there's, like, festival, right?

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm saying, like, when. When I travel, we have a bodyguard. When I go to big events, we have four.

[Brett Dastovich]

We need you to hit the mosh pit with the bodyguard.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's going to be the bodyguarding

[Tim Pool]

on me and hugging me. All right, all right, all right. Are you good? We're wrapped up.

[Phil Labonte]

Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

Left lane is for crime. Phil, I'm Carter Banks. You can follow me at Carter Banks. Banks on X and Instagram at Carter Banks. Official follow our label at Trash house Records on YouTube. Got a song coming out. Juneteenth. And a promo is up right now. Let's get it, Tim. We'll see you [e-mail] Timcast IRL right now. Thanks for hanging out.