Leftist Anti ICE Just OPENED FIRE On ICE Agents In California At LA Riots w/ Nick Sortor

Summary

Timcast IRL Episode Summary: "Leftist Anti ICE Just OPENED FIRE On ICE Agents In California At LA Riots w/ Nick Sorter"

Release Date: July 11, 2025

---

Introduction and Key News Stories

In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool delves into several high-profile news stories shaping the current political and social landscape.

Prince Andrew DOJ Investigation Ends At the outset (00:00), Tim discusses the Trump DOJ's termination of the probe into Prince Andrew's ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Highlighting the controversial nature of this decision, Tim remarks:

"Prince Andrew can finally end his self-imposed travel ban after a leaked memo revealed that the FBI is closing its investigation into the royals' Epstein links. [...] He hasn't been convicted of any crime and can't sit around doing nothing at Royal Lodge forever."

Virginia Giuffre's Death Under Scrutiny Tim raises concerns about the circumstances surrounding Virginia Giuffre's reported suicide (00:00), emphasizing inconsistencies in her reported injuries and statements prior to her death.

LA Riots and Anti-ICE Actions

The core of the episode centers on escalating tensions and violence surrounding ICE operations in California.

Breaking Incident: Protesters Open Fire on ICE Agents Midway through the episode (23:00), Tim introduces a breaking news segment featuring footage of a protester firing a weapon at federal ICE agents during a raid in Southern California. The discussion highlights the increasing militarization of protests and the challenges faced by law enforcement in such volatile environments.

Guest Insights: Nick Sorter, Ian Crossland, and Phil Labonte Joining Tim are guests Nick Sorter, Ian Crossland, and Phil Labonte, who offer varied perspectives:

• Nick Sorter (05:03) emphasizes the severity of anti-ICE actions, advocating for robust law enforcement responses.

  "If they don't explain themselves and they're not transparent about this process, what made them close the case? [...] This is going to be a stain on the administration if they don't act on it."

• Ian Crossland (05:07) discusses the complexity of addressing deep-rooted conspiracies and the potential for increased violence if not managed effectively.

• Phil Labonte (06:01) underscores the need for accountability, arguing that holding individuals responsible can deter future offenses.

Law Enforcement Response and Use of Force

A significant portion of the dialogue revolves around appropriate responses to violent protests and the potential deployment of military forces.

Comparisons to Historical Events Guests draw parallels between current events and historical incidents like the Kent State shootings (06:11) and the U.S. Civil War (11:25), debating the merits and consequences of authoritarian responses versus measured law enforcement actions.

Debate on Military Intervention The conversation intensifies as participants debate the invocation of the Insurrection Act and the deployment of the National Guard or military forces to quell unrest:

• Tim Pool (15:30) advocates for decisive action, stating:

  "We cannot be afraid of being called fascists when we enforce the law. [...] We have gotta put down these people."

• Phil Labonte (18:09) expresses skepticism about the deterrent effect of laws, suggesting that systemic issues persist despite punitive measures.

Legal Challenges: Birthright Citizenship

The episode shifts focus to a landmark legal battle concerning birthright citizenship.

Judicial Ruling Blocks Trump's Executive Order Tim reports on a New York Times story detailing how a New Hampshire district court judge has blocked former President Trump's order to revoke birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants (70:06). The ruling limits the injunction to existing infants, effectively stalling nationwide changes.

Potential Legal Loopholes and Future Actions Tim speculates on possible future legal maneuvers:

"Trump could just keep doing it. He could sign another executive order requiring legal IDs for birth registrations and then face similar lawsuits."

The discussion highlights the ongoing tug-of-war between executive actions and judicial oversight, with Tim urging pro-life groups to exploit the current ruling to challenge abortion rights.

Superman Movie Review

Towards the end of the episode (95:37), Tim offers an in-depth review of the latest Superman film, challenging expectations of political messaging.

Expectations vs. Reality Contrary to widespread assumptions about the film's political undertones, Tim contends that the movie remains largely apolitical:

"It is not woke. It's not political. There's only one political comment in it. And it was a joke."

Character Analysis and Plot Points Tim praises character development, particularly highlighting Lex Luthor's portrayal as a driven, intelligent antagonist:

"Lex Luthor's motivation is that Superman has done nothing to earn his powers. It's an affront to what it means to be someone who works hard."

While acknowledging some narrative missteps—such as the depiction of Superman's parents as space Nazis—Tim ultimately rates the film highly for its execution and avoidance of overt political agendas.

Concluding Remarks

In wrapping up, Tim encourages listeners to engage with the podcast through social media and upcoming live events. He highlights the ongoing issues discussed, emphasizing the need for vigilance and proactive measures against perceived governmental overreach and societal unrest.

---

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Pool (07:52): "Prince Andrew can finally end his self-imposed travel ban after a leaked memo revealed that the FBI is closing its investigation into the royals' Epstein links."

• Nick Sorter (13:22): "If they don't explain themselves and they're not transparent about this process, what made them close the case? [...] This is going to be a stain on the administration if they don't act on it."

• Phil Labonte (18:09): "The idea that if you don't hold them accountable, it will, it will only produce more."

• Tim Pool (15:30): "We cannot be afraid of being called fascists when we enforce the law."

---

This detailed summary encapsulates the episode's critical discussions and insights, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't tuned in.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Foreign. The Trump DOJ has officially ended the probe into Prince Andrew over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein, meaning he's now free to travel. He's off the hook. And what. He's literally in a photo with Ghislaine Maxwell and Virginia Giuffre. But all right, I guess. And here's the. Here's the crazy thing about it. Virginia Duffrey reportedly took her own life. And shortly before she did, she was in the hospital appearing to have been, you know, seriously battered, which they claimed was a car accident. And then the car accident she got into, the bus driver was like, what? I tapped her tail. I never. She never got a car accident. And then she posted in the hospital saying, I please, I just need to, like, see my kids one more time. And it's like, huh? And then she took her own life. The whole thing makes literally no sense. But right now, the theory online from many, many people is that there's puppet strings. Trump is not in control. And several prominent Trump supporters are saying this. Maybe, maybe not. But the Prince Andrew thing is hilarious. It's like there's a picture of him with Ghislaine Maxwell. He went on the island. Here's an underage woman who accused him and said he did it. And they're like, nahi. Okay, okay, I guess so we'll talk about that. We got a bunch of other really big stories. We've got the. The State Department's gonna be laying off a massive reduction. I believe it's around 1800 staff members. A district court judge in New Hampshire has said that Donald. That. That Donald Trump cannot block birthright citizenship, establishing a class that is infants of undocumented parents. So we'll talk about that. And don't forget we went and saw Superman today. Uh, I would say the movie is good. And it was not woke. I'll give you my thoughts on it. I don't think there was anything overtly political in it. And actually, in some ways, I think you could argue it was anti woke. So all in all, the movie is actually pretty good. Though James Gunn certainly has a chip on his shoulder about getting canceled because of mean tweets on X or people pulling up his tweets and which were, you know, inappropriate jokes. And there's a scene in the movie which really hurt the film, but seems like James Gunn wanted to make fun of Mike Cernovich, I guess. So we'll talk about that and more before we get started. We got a great sponsor. It is shop beam.com. this stuff is going to help you fall asleep. My friends, we're constantly pulled in 100 directions between the news, politics, work and family. And for me, sleep was the first thing to suffer. Trust me, I felt it every day. In fact, I modified my diet a bunch of times. And then, you know, ultimately I just listened to my wife and she was like, you're not sleeping enough. And I was like, all right, I'll go to sleep. Well, so several months ago, we started using Beam Dream to help with sleep. I haven't looked back before Beam. My nights were restless. I'd crash hard, wake up two or three in the morning with my mind racing. It'd be rough to get back to sleep, but I was, I was probably getting between six and seven hours of sleep and then I bumped it up to about 8. Shout out to Beam. And it tastes great too, by the way. So now I am getting about eight hours of sleep every day. Fall asleep quickly right after the show. Usually after the show, after the we wrap, I go straight to bed, stay asleep, I wake up, I feel great, no grogginess. I wake up feeling like I have energy. It's fantastic. What I appreciate the most is that it's not some gimmicky quick fix like, you know, other things. Beam Dream is a science backed blend of magnesium, alanine and other natural ingredients. Help your body genuinely relax and recover without leaving you feeling groggy the next morning. It's also got zero added sugar and just 15 calories. It's already improved over 18 million nights of sleep, including mine. So make sure you guys go to shop. Beam.com Tim Pool you get to 35% off if you use that promo code. And I'm just going to throw this in there. The reason why I think, you know, I was having a hard time with recovery and why sleep was so important is I learned about HGH and testosterone production in the male body during certain periods of sleep. And if you're not getting enough REM or deep sleep, then your body is not gonna be producing the hormones it needs to actually recover. So that's why I think improving my sleep with the help of Beam especially has made me feel a lot better. So shout out to shopbeam.com use promo code Tim Pool. Click the link in the description below. Also, don't Forget my friends dccomedyloft.com the link is in the description below. Come hang out with us live. July 26, 2025, 3:00pm Doors open at 2:00'. Clock. It's a live taping of the Culture War podcast. I will be there. Alex Stein will be there. We got a couple of guests that we're just, we're, we're, we're confirming right now. It should be a big show and we want to come, we want, we want to hang out with you. Now. If you want to come up on stage and debate, you got to get tickets now while you still can because we're actually going to bring up people from the audience onto the show to be a part of the live debate. So once again, dccomedyloft.com click events. Check it out, you'll find it in there. But don't forget to also smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Nick Sorter.

[Nick Sorter]

How's it going? Appreciate you having me again, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

It's great to have you. Who are you? What do you do?

[Ian Crossland]

All right.

[Nick Sorter]

I'm an independent reporter. Typically try to cover stories that the mainstream media won't, like East Palestine, Ohio, Maui, western North Carolina, and now the hill country down there in Texas. I just got back from there literally like two hours ago. So running on fumes over here, but you know, it's a, it's an important story to keep talking about.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. We got Ian hanging out.

[Ian Crossland]

Man, it's good to be here. And you were talking about sleep earlier in the ad read with beam and little life hack about sleep. Sleep and rest are not the same thing. So if you want to make sure you get restful sleep, have good digestion from my experience. So when you sleep, lay on your back with your arms over your head like this and it lifts your diaphragm and you'll start hearing like gurgling in your stomach. This digestion kick on and then you'll get like, what'll feel like two hours of sleep in like 15 minutes. You'll, you'll, you ever, if you ever feel like that, it's this. So the, the connection between rest and digestion. Try it out. Let me know what your, what your results are like as well.

[Phil Labonte]

Phil, have you told anyone who you are yet tonight?

[Ian Crossland]

No.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

You just got to figure it out.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Here's a story from the New York Post. Prince Andrew free to travel abroad as FBI ends probe into royals Jeffrey Epstein link. Wow. I wonder if there was any evidence that he was involved with Epstein and Maxwell and they were victims could it be perhaps the statements from the victim and the picture of him with the victim and they're letting him just go? I'm pretty sure that the powers that be are not going to appreciate us constantly staying on this story and I would not be surprised if we face a massive censorship from the algorithm over it and smear campaigns because they'd certainly appreciate if we talked about something else. You can see how flustered they're getting. But yo, check this out. It's the news. Prince Andrew can finally end his self imposed travel ban after a leaked memo revealed that the FBI is closing its investigation into the royals. Epstein links the disgrace. Duke of York, 65, has left the UK once in the last six years over fears of an arrest. Civil lawsuits are being subpoenaed. Now it appears as though the scandal scarred. Prince, who has been kept at arms length from the royal fold, is able to venture out of the UK without fear of repercussions. He has been abroad once since the scandal erupted. A source told the Sun. He has always been very nervous about going abroad and felt he'd always be looking over his shoulder as he could be subject to civil action or at or worst being arrested. Hopefully with this out of the way, it means that he can at least leave the country. What's he supposed to do with the rest of his life? He hasn't been convicted of any crime and can't sit down, sit around doing nothing at Royal Lodge forever. I suppose the big question is, is the US going to issue an arrest warrant for him and then demand the UK extradite him?

[Ian Crossland]

Not, not anymore.

[Tim Pool]

If they or not extradite?

[Nick Sorter]

Well, I guess, yeah, I was gonna say, I guess not anymore. I mean, they did try, they had to work with the UK authorities before to actually be able to interview him. And then all of a sudden they just decided in 2024, okay, well, we're just not, we're not even gonna go down that road anymore. We're not even gonna try to interview Prince Andrew. But you know, there are so many other things that, you know, a lot of people don't know. They don't realize that he lied about the amount of time that he said that he spent with Jeffrey Epstein. It turns out that it was about 10 times as much time as he said that he spent with Prince Andrew or with Jeffrey Epstein. And also the fact that there were text messages between the two of them saying, okay, can't wait to play again soon. You know, we'll play more soon. I mean, just the weird stuff like this I mean, if you're not gonna give a. Any sort of answers as to why you would drop the investigation into the Epstein case in general, at least give us some answers as to why you're gonna let this creep walk free and not even try to, you know, even if the UK Police or whatever don't take him into custody, at least, like, show us that he is a pedophile in the court of public opinion, we'll convict him.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, they have said that there are. The administration is alluding to the possibility of more information coming out.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

I've seen at least some reports on.

[Tim Pool]

That Judicial Watch, but our board saying that they're still reviewing Epstein files.

[Phil Labonte]

So, I mean, if that could, you know, produce some kind of answers, I'm sure that it's not going to be enough, but. I mean, sure.

[Tim Pool]

You guys remember when, you know, three months ago, Virginia Giuffre, the alleged victim of Andrew, killed herself? He.

[Phil Labonte]

Allegedly. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And how weird it was where like a week before that or whatever, she was in the hospital all bruised and battered, saying, I'm in the hospital dying from a car accident. My kidneys are failing. I just want to see my kids one last time, I believe. And everybody was kind of like, is she just begging the deep state not to murder her until she sees her kids?

[Ian Crossland]

I think Epstein. I don't know why I think this. He said he. That someone tried to poison him while he was in prison. Do you guys remember that at all?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. But let me just say now that there's no principal witness against Prince Andrew. Look. Look at this. It's just. The probe is gone.

[Ian Crossland]

Epstein's brother was interviewed by Piers Morgan. I don't know if you guys saw that. And he said he thinks that Trump was. Is heavily involved with Epstein and Piers. Like, there's no evidence of that. He's like, well, if I. If it were true, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Phil Labonte]

Dershowitz was saying. I didn't see that. Dershowitz was saying that he had. He was willing to keep that. You're talking. We're talking about that.

[Tim Pool]

We got it.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, so we'll talk about that later.

[Tim Pool]

Up that video.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, so it's like there's two levels of, like you were saying, censorship. Now, is this. Is this story trying to quack? Like, not only is it this level of the people that run the world, the 12 families, the bloodlines that are in control of the monetary system, of the liberal economic order, whoever they are, there's that level of people playing. Playing with Jeffrey Epstein. Then there's the American government, which doesn't have to take the bullet for this one. It's not the American government's responsibility to take the heat for Epstein. Epstein was a global consortium. This, this whole thing, the US Government, like I don't blame them for not wanting to like bear the brunt of this, but at the same time Cash looked like, or Dan Bongino looked like he was in a hostage situation. I literally, I think that they came to him. People think that these people are like video game villains or like movie villains that aren't real. But I think he was approached and they're like, if you tell people what is going on, we're gonna kill your family. And not, not just your immediate family, your entire bloodline. And we're gonna choose when they die and we're gonna choose how over. And it's gonna. This is a, called a blood vendetta. It doesn't ever go away. Your family lineage will be wiped out and if you tell anyone that we told you this, your family lineage will be wiped out.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think that happened, but I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

But I'm just like, I'm done acting like they exist. And then why in cognitive dissonance, like.

[Tim Pool]

I mean so there's, there's, there's, there's two principal probabilities based on what we know and that is Trump went in and said haha, Prince Andrew, what a great stand up guy, let's get him off the hook. And all my Epstein buddies, hoo hoo. Or he said oh crap, they've got me by the balls and I have no choice. Which one is it?

[Phil Labonte]

I, I, I don't, I don't know. I, I don't have any sense as to what, whether or not they're, they're telling the truth. I know that everything looks suspicious as hell and that's why I'm hoping for more answers when the, if I'm hoping they'll release more information and hopefully there are some answers there. But just because I don't know doesn't mean that I think that, you know, Cash and, and Dan Bonino are now a part of the conspiracy.

[Ian Crossland]

Right? The Maxwell thing, I'm going to call it the Maxwell files. We Everyone plays with Jeffrey Epson. He guys, it's the Maxwell her dad, Robert Epps. Robert Maxwell. Like they are the ones at the center of this and they're a blackmail operation. So it doesn't surprise me that Cash and Dan were blackmailed. Like that's what they do that Trump is being blackmailed. That's. That's very likely. Or I shouldn't say it's very likely. It is probabilistic in that it is a blackmail ring that they're trying to break and now they're being blackmailed. That wouldn't surprise me.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, it's possible, but I don't think that there's actual evidence of any.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think there's any. Not that I've ever seen.

[Nick Sorter]

You know. You know, people look at this and they'll say, oh, well, your. Your theory is totally w. It's totally. It's so far out there. But what breeds that is the fact that, you know, we all feel like, and rightfully so, that we're being totally lied to. You know, it's a. It's probably the most brazen lie I feel like I've heard out of this administration so far. And I hate to say that, you know, it's. We got to the point where, you know, when was Bondi lying? Was it when she was on Fox News 15 times, or is it now? You know, it's one or the other. It doesn't go well.

[Tim Pool]

You can't say.

[Nick Sorter]

You have all these files on your desk and you have all these videos, all this information, and this binder is only phase one, and we're gonna release so much more and then say, oh, well, poof. Nope, it doesn't exist. None of it exists. And this issue is not going away. As much as they think that this is just another piece of news where it's just going to. People are gonna forget about it and move on. I'm telling you, if they don't explain themselves and they're not transparent about this process, what made them close the case? What made them decide they're not gonna release any information? This is going to. This is going to be a stain on the administration if they don't act on it.

[Ian Crossland]

Last night, the conversation was like. Came up that if it were revealed and it completely destroyed the world order, like the Saudi princes, the. The Russian magnates, all the Chinese bureaucrats, all the people that were involved in this somehow turn on the people that released the data, the American government, and then they blacklist, they stop working with them, just fucks up the entire order, what would you be. Would you be the one to pull the trigger? Would you release the files? If you. If you. If there was not only. It's not gonna. Like, what would it solve?

[Nick Sorter]

We're talking about child rapists. Because the fact that none of these people are being held accountable is the reason that they're going to continue. This stuff is still happening. It's still happening. So my concern, it's going to be enabled more if you. If you don't do anything about it and there's no consequences.

[Phil Labonte]

I totally disagree with that. The idea that if you don't hold them accountable, it will, it will only produce more. Even if you hold them accountable, there will be more. For all of human history, wealthy people, powerful people have, have taken advantage of. Of children or, or taken advantage of their positions of power and broken the law. So the idea that if we have going to. That this would solve that. No, it. It would.

[Nick Sorter]

If it prevents one child from being raped, it's worth doing.

[Phil Labonte]

It would be justice for the people that actually have broken the law. And that's good. That's something that we should go for. But the I. There are a lot of people that are like, oh, this will fix everything. This will not fix anything. There will just be a new crop of people.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what I was thinking is if you remove the people, the positions that are still there functioning, and if you put new people into those positions, that's behavior.

[Tim Pool]

We're talking about a CEO. Okay? If there's a CEO of a company and he gets fired, you put a new CEO and he's gonna be functionally doing the same thing. But if there is a CEO is a pedophile and you remove him and you put a new a CEO there who's not a pedophile, then you've gotten rid of the pedophile.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like their whole families. It's these families. And you can't. How are you gonna.

[Phil Labonte]

All the people in the family are blood, I think are bad. I think that you should probably have evidence for holding people accountable.

[Ian Crossland]

Serge, before the show, like, what do you. What would you do if you were born into one of the richest families on earth and had everything ever. You just do what your family did. And so that's what's happening. If you remove the perpetrator and a new person gets. The family's still there. And I'm not suggesting to try and take over family or get rid of families because that's, you know, that tit for tat, you know, I don't want my family obliterated.

[Tim Pool]

I think the issue is that evil is easy and it always has been. It is easier to succeed as an evil person than as a good person.

[Ian Crossland]

And humans are animals, man, and people will take advantage of that. The mammal you Know they'll use you as a slave if they can.

[Nick Sorter]

I just want to be clear here. So the argument here is, you know, taking down the pedophile ring will not stop people from feeling unable to do this. These rich, powerful elites. So you don't think any of them would be deterred if they were. You don't think it enables them if they, if they're not held accountable, if nobody's held accountable and they know that you don't think that they'll.

[Tim Pool]

It would. And it probably did. Like Prince Andrew didn't leave the country. He was terrified. So, yes, arresting them will, in will. Will inhibit these people.

[Phil Labonte]

One issue people, but it won't inhibit the people that come after them or other rich people. The point that I'm making, I disagree.

[Tim Pool]

That's, that's.

[Phil Labonte]

No, I know the point that I'm making is rich people, powerful people have always felt that they're above the law and they've always done things that are outside of the law. So yes, these people should, the people that have broken the law, we should punish them. I think that they should release all the information. Like if there are people that have, that have, have violated children, they should be prosecuted, go to jail, whatever the, the maximum punishment for the law is. Yes, but to say that doing this will fix a problem. No, no, that's, you're. That's trying to fix the human condition. There will always be evil people. You put, give people money and you give them access to, to, you know, to power.

[Tim Pool]

But do you think there are more there, There is more or less murder. When we arrest people for murder, I.

[Phil Labonte]

Think that the people that commit murder don't think that they're going to get caught or don't care.

[Tim Pool]

The vast majority more or less enforce against murder.

[Phil Labonte]

I think there's probably the same amount. I don't think there's more or less.

[Tim Pool]

So. So there's no point in enforcing against murder because.

[Phil Labonte]

No, you punish people for the reason that you, that you have laws against them is so that you punish the people that do. I don't believe that it's a deterrent, though. I genuinely don't.

[Ian Crossland]

I think the law is a deterrent. It can function as it is for.

[Phil Labonte]

Me, like for normal people. But you're not a person that would commit murder.

[Ian Crossland]

If it was, and I was encouraged to my whole life, I might be a murderer. Like if it was. If you were supposed to and you.

[Phil Labonte]

Were raised that way, I think that people that would commit murder will commit murder regardless of the law. I don't think that laws deter because people, people break the law all the time. I break the law when I, when I speed, right? Like that's. People break the law all the time. So the level, your level of comfort with breaking the law is what actually matters. If you are the kind of person that's impulsive and you're like, I don't care, I'm gonna go do this. The law doesn't stop people from murdering people. People still murder.

[Tim Pool]

I'm pretty sure there would be a substantially greater amount of mur coming from the left as a good example if they thought there would be no enforcement action against them.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not, I'm not so convinced. I don't, I don't. I honestly.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I'm, I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure the antifa guys who try. I'm pretty sure the antifa guys who lured those cops out and shot him in the neck would have just been much more overt about it and walked up to the building in a line with, with rifles blasting into the.

[Phil Labonte]

No, because the reason that they didn't do that isn't because of the law. It's because of the guys with guns. They were literally going after other dudes with guns. The deterrent is people that are going to shoot back, not the law.

[Ian Crossland]

There's the people, actually.

[Tim Pool]

So the issue is you have the authority to use the law. The police have the authority to respond with, with lethal force.

[Phil Labonte]

Most, most places and most people have the authority to respond with lethal.

[Tim Pool]

So when these people have been advocating for killing cops for years, why, why aren't they doing it? People?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, they're, they're doing it because they're not. Well, they're the people that advocate for killing cops but that don't do it. They're not the kind of people that generally are murderers. The people. Look, if you have someone break into your house and you're in a state that's not a stand your ground state. Most people are not going to say, f you, I'm going to shoot you. Even to save their own lives. They're going to try and get out of there because they're afraid of killing people, not because they're afraid of what's going to happen.

[Tim Pool]

Why is that? Gangbangers in Chicago have other people commit murders for them?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, there's a lot of reasons for that, right?

[Tim Pool]

Because they.

[Phil Labonte]

What they, they, they put people in a position so that way they break the law. So they go into the system. They, so they're committed to the gang. So like that.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. But you know the real reason?

[Phil Labonte]

What?

[Tim Pool]

There is one reason why adult gang bangers in Chicago get kids to commit murders.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, part of it is because they, they want shorter. The shorter sentences and stuff like that.

[Tim Pool]

First and only reason, the first and only reason is they, they literally will tell the 15 year old, you'll get locked up for three years, I'll get locked up for 20. You go do it. So the law clearly is a deterrent that right now I think it is.

[Phil Labonte]

Also the people that are, that are actually willing to go and commit murder. The law is. Well, think about is not a theft.

[Ian Crossland]

In California, they made theft elite legal up to $1,000 and there's so much more theft. If it was, if the law was preventing that was making people not, not do it.

[Tim Pool]

So I, it's like, it's like the law is basically saying like, hey, if you do this, I'll hit you. And so people are like, I don't want to get hit.

[Ian Crossland]

Man of force. Literally force. I think force, the police force.

[Phil Labonte]

I think when it comes to, to violence and stuff like that, I don't think that that mer. When it comes to murder and stuff, I don't. I think the people that will commit murder are the kind of people that will commit murder.

[Ian Crossland]

And I don't, I think both directions of this argument are valid because there are people that will commit acts regardless of the law. And especially people that feel like they're ab. That are so psychotic they don't even care about the law. There is those. Maybe that's both the people at the top and the people at the bottom of the bell curve.

[Tim Pool]

So there are quite literally gangs in Chicago that will publicly state the law is a deterrent. They'll be like, no, we can't do that because we'll get locked up and we can't get locked up right now.

[Ian Crossland]

You know what concerns me though, because you were saying if this could even save one kid, breaking up this pedophile ring or breaking up this, this cabal. But what, what could happen is it disrupt, it disrupts order so drastically that we have another Libya appear and child trafficking times a million.

[Nick Sorter]

What are the circumstances where that happens though?

[Ian Crossland]

The US dollar fails because the banks give up on the liberal economic order because they betrayed them.

[Nick Sorter]

Off of jailing pedophiles.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, the Swiss banks that are involved in this stuff will be like, all right, these people, this liberal economic order, we're going to China, we're going to Russia, they're dead to us now. And so is Germany or wherever they're importing their, their masses into.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I don't think a system like that should deserve. It should be allowed to exist.

[Ian Crossland]

It's impossible to stop it.

[Tim Pool]

Dude. I, I.

[Ian Crossland]

The viciousness of humanity is so is.

[Tim Pool]

Is your argument, is your, is your argument that we should not try to stop evil from happening?

[Ian Crossland]

Sometimes trying to stop evil will do. Will create more harm. Did nothing.

[Tim Pool]

Is is it sometimes is is it that there is evil that is so powerful we are our best left to just.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

I think do nothing.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

All right, I'll see you. I'll see you later.

[Ian Crossland]

I think, I think there are some. What you would call evil. There are some aspects of humanity that are just unstoppable.

[Tim Pool]

This is the first time I realized.

[Nick Sorter]

Argument about the realize Ian was wrong.

[Tim Pool]

I'm back.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, hey. I don't, I don't know if it's good or evil, but there's viciousness and destructiveness.

[Tim Pool]

Oh. Ladies and gentlemen, we've been tracking this, this riot that's been going on and we've got breaking news. Breaking news. It looks like. Holy, Holy crap. From breaking. 911 left wing terrorists appears to open fire on ICE agents during a raid at a farm in Southern California. So it appears as a video. I don't, I'm going to have to actually watch this first. Do you want to. We'll switch the. Because I bring this live. So I just, I just saw, I just put it up right. This video right here. It appears a protester. Oh yeah. He's unloading. Yeah. Okay. There's. We can show this. There's nothing graphic. I just didn't want to see like a cop. Of course. I want to put a cop getting shot or 10 minutes ago I started seeing the story. So, so we're zoomed in right here. Check it out. You can see him. Take a look at. He pulls his gun and he's unloaded or fired some kind of gun at federal agents. This happened this afternoon.

[Ian Crossland]

He was aiming high.

[Tim Pool]

Oh yeah. At the time a lot of. I'm surprised he didn't spray down his buddies. It appears a protester fired back with that. No, it looks like he fired at least a couple of times. We have not heard about any agents.

[Phil Labonte]

This is going to be the norm.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

It's going to happen all summer.

[Ian Crossland]

You guys mentioned last night about if the police stomp down on this like come hard that it would make it worse, but I don't agree with that. I think it would shut it down.

[Phil Labonte]

You put that you put, I think.

[Tim Pool]

I think they, I think if the police come with an iron fist, this stops.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah, you put the people that would do this kind of stuff, you wrap all of those people up and you put them in jail also you.

[Ian Crossland]

Got to find where the funding's coming from because when they did that in California, those LA riots stopped. They went after the funding and like two days later it was done.

[Tim Pool]

At what point?

[Nick Sorter]

Now you guys seem to be more libertarian leading than anybody, but at what point do we just say, you know what, screw this, we're done, we're getting the military involved.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, I think that that should be the case now.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, I feel like we are wasting time here. We've got three and a half more years we need if we want to hit these deportation numbers. We need the military involved and they'll put a stop to this. These people aren't going to be, you know, opening fire on, on Marines as easy as they are ICE agents, it's just not going to happen.

[Ian Crossland]

Weaponized drones, whatever the military wants to bring in, I mean if they really want to stump. But there'd be a lot of collateral damage.

[Nick Sorter]

As soon as the military came into Los Angeles, the riots were mostly quelled almost overnight. It was incredible. Why not send, I mean we've got the military bring back the 40,000 troops we have in the Middle east, put them in California, put them in Texas.

[Phil Labonte]

You can activate the National Guard in California and activate the National Guard in Texas. But I don't know about you military, that's full time.

[Tim Pool]

Let me look. We have the story. This is, this is, this is the background. Federal agents clash with protesters during ICE raid at Southern California farm. And as you can see here, this is just the general video.

[Phil Labonte]

Federal agents there who appear to have been carrying out a large scale immigration enforcement. And this is about 50 miles northwest of Los Angeles. And at one point federal agents were seen throwing smoke canisters towards the protesters sending the crowd running in the opposite direction. Now just to orient you again, about 50 miles northwest of LA. This is just outside of Oxnard, California.

[Tim Pool]

For those of you familiar.

[Phil Labonte]

Some protesters are seen holding flags, appearing to poke military vehicles that were passing by. At least one person has been arrested and another was seen pinned to the ground. We'll continue to bring you updates when we have them.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. So, so again going back to this video, this was posted 20 minutes ago, so, so you know, right after we start the show. And once again it looks like, because it looks like similar footage, they appear, these people appear to be running from tear gas. Take a look at this video right here. That dude is shooting a gun, some kind of gun at federal fire. It was a really chaotic chasing him, A lot of smoke touching him with his bare hands.

[Ian Crossland]

After he unloaded his gun, it appears.

[Tim Pool]

A protester going to that guy with that weapon.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, they have to look.

[Tim Pool]

Looks like he fired at least a couple of times. We have not heard about any agents being hurt.

[Phil Labonte]

He's now. So anything like that.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Weird angle intending to hit.

[Tim Pool]

I'm wondering, you know, it's hard to tell what kind of weapon he actually has. Some kind grainy. I, you know, look, I'm going to say this. I know a lot of people are not going to want to hear it, but is there a possibility he's got an Airsoft or a BB gun?

[Nick Sorter]

I don't care. You fire a projectile at a, at.

[Tim Pool]

A point, it looks like a gun.

[Nick Sorter]

You should be turned into Swiss cheese. I'm sorry, like no questions asked mask.

[Tim Pool]

No, I mean so, so here's, here's, here's the next question. These police in these, in this video, as we can see. Let me pull up this video again. You can see these cops here sending the crap and they've got gas masks, tear gas and pepper ball guns. At what point do they need to come out with live ammo? I mean like do they need to be at least having some guys on the ground with rifles prepared to return fire? In the events, we don't know exactly what happened, but this video looks like one of these, these protesters. Terrorists, I guess.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Just pulled out a handgun and opened fire. And I like the, the principle assumption I'm going to make is it's a 9 millimeter or something.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean look, most of the time there's a guy, there's at least a couple guys doing overwatch when they line up like that. So there'll be guys like back on like a truck with like DMR designated marksman rifle. So there's probably, there's definitely dudes with lethal, that have lethal force capacity there. But the guys on the line, usually they're just with pepper balls and gas masks and stuff.

[Nick Sorter]

So this sounds like the perfect use case to actually start, you know, integrating the military into these large scale raids. You know, is there anything on the books at this point that's really going to stop the, the, the president from fully federalizing the California National Guard? I know Newsom is keep, he keeps trying to fight it, keeps trying to take back control of the National Guard. But if that doesn't work, then you know what? At the end of the day, what is stopping the President from invoking the Insurrection act and actually using that to help with these ICE raids?

[Tim Pool]

So far as my understanding, when Trump sent the Marines and he did not need to invoke the Insurrection act because they were protecting federal property. And so they're not enforcing law. Right. Because of something called posse Comitatus. US Military can't enforce domestic laws. If Trump invokes the Insurrection act, they can, citing the reckless, like the lawlessness. The law is not being enforced locally, so we will come in and federally enforce it. I think California and New York, especially right now, Trump should be sending in the troops. And you know what they did when. Who was this? Was this. Was it Jon Stewart on Daily show, whatever? They were heavily criticizing Bannon and Posobic and others for saying send in the troops, but they twisted what was being said as if. And then it might have been Clapper. I don't know if it was Jon Stewart, but he was like, they are saying to send the troops against us. Against us. No, no, no, no, no, no. I think Donald Trump needs to send federal law enforcement and if military, if necessary, because they're opening fire, shooting law enforcement in. This is now where it's Thursday. In less than one week, we have three instances where leftist terrorists have opened fire on law enforcement. I want to see. I want to see National Guard, the Marines or whoever else protecting these guys and making sure when they carry out their, Their, their constitutionally sworn duty of enforcing the law as Congress has passed it, that terrorists will not kill them.

[Ian Crossland]

You guys talked about Kent State. The Kent State. I went to Kent State University. I was there on the Hill, 1970, May 4. The National Guard was there. There was a protest against the Vietnam War, and the college kids were throwing rocks at the cops, at the National Guard. And the National Guard opened fire on the crowd and killed four people and wounded. I don't know about Crosby. Stills, Nash and Young wrote a song, Ohio, about it, which is very good. So at what point do you return fire on these people? Obviously, they pull a gun and start shooting. You put down the active shooter. I think if someone starts throwing rocks, what if the rock hits a cop in the head and does serious damage? What if a rock kills a cop? Do you open fire on the guy throwing the rocks? That's the question about if you bring in the military, when do they stop firing?

[Phil Labonte]

When it comes to people throwing rocks, you should use less than lethal. So if you have like rubber bullets or beanbag rounds from a shotgun, use those because they're less than lethal. They're not going to kill someone. Start shooting. Obviously then the police should defend themselves.

[Tim Pool]

People are going to die. Okay, we already had at that. No Kings protest. Those liberal guys unloaded indiscriminately into the crowd and killed an innocent person. And so that was. They were targeting an antifa guy, which is weird, but they, they were trigger, trigger happy lunatics who pulled out their guns, started shooting. The police need to be able to stop someone from killing people. What do we want? No one to die. You can protest, you can block the streets, you get arrested for it, but no one should die or get seriously injured. This guy pulled out a gun and started shooting. How do you stop that from happening? Beanbags, no guarantee. Rubber bullets are no guarantee. Pepper spray, tear gas, none of these are guarantees. In fact, through all of those, the guy was getting tear gassed as he was shooting. Unfortunately, the reality is if someone is an active shooter trying to kill police and probably could have killed other bystanders who are protesting, you need to neutralize the threat to maximize the saving of lives.

[Phil Labonte]

That's why they have, like I said, that's why they had, they have designated marksman. But the thing is there's all those people around and the police are just not going to start shooting into the crowd.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Like if, even if there's a guy in the crowd shooting, the police are not going to start shooting back into the crowd.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow.

[Phil Labonte]

Because then the chances of hitting someone innocent. Innocent is way too much. And the, the Trump administration can't afford that. So no matter how much, you know, you want the emotional satisfaction of like, you know, getting the guy that was trying to kill the cops, you can't, because you're gonna. Because once the bullet takes, hits the guy, it goes through him. They don't stop in people, you know, and you're responsible for every round that comes out of the gun.

[Ian Crossland]

So I'm also thinking about it from the other perspective, which I tend to do of if you were being suppressed by a government and the government was trying to stomp out your protests and you're like, this is our land. Get out of our territory. As the citizens of California might be feeling maybe occupied. Like the desire to fight back doesn't stop.

[Tim Pool]

ABC picked the story up. I mean, this is it. This is confirmed. ABC Eyewitness News. Are protesters seen firing some kind of weapon at federal agents? You know, many of us believed, I falsely believed, I think many of us believed that during the 2020 riots. These liberals in the cities were gonna learn their lesson from the violence and that it might change their minds. It didn't. It didn't change their minds. I suppose the assumption made by these people was that Trump was president and he didn't protect us, so why bother voting for him? So the lesson that they actually learned was the opposite. Then when Joe Biden got in and everything got bad, they said, this is the fault of bad leadership in Joe Biden. I believe Donald Trump, he's got to go in and stop this. And it's not even. You know what, guys? The right is so afraid of being called fascists, they won't even use the powers the law grants them. The Insurrection act exists. It was passed by Congress. It is not unconstitutional. It is not fascistic. It is how we enforce laws in this country. It's actually democratic. We voted for Trump to stop the illegal immigration. Now terrorists are trying to kill cops. Trump has the right to defend this country, these towns, these states. Send in the military, invoke. I mean, look, he already won on the National Guard. Send in the National Guard first. And if that's not enough, then you Insurrection act, and you put a couple of people on the street corners where these people are shooting at cops.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, look, I mean, considering, like we just talked about, this is the third attack, less than a week, third time that the police have been shot at in less than a week over immigration, two cops shot. So, I mean, look, it's.

[Tim Pool]

It.

[Phil Labonte]

It's time to put the foot, you know, bring the boot down. Like, you know, start rounding people up, start saying, no, you can't protest at these things. If you. If you, you know, gather for a protest. When ICE is trying to do an operation, we're going to arrest every last one of you so that way ICE can do the operation that they need.

[Tim Pool]

No, this. This is important. You guys might have seen it. I just. I just realized this. Here he is shooting, right? Yeah. Once he gets back by this car, he starts shooting again. Right, Right there. See him? He keeps going even though we can't see him.

[Phil Labonte]

Dude runs right in front of him.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. Dude runs right in front of him. You can see right here. He raises the weapon again and appears to fire. Is that truck. Keep going a little bit.

[Phil Labonte]

The truck up top. Keep going forward.

[Tim Pool]

Forward.

[Phil Labonte]

Is that a. That the one where you can see the tire does that. Is that a police vehicle? Yeah, police vehicle.

[Tim Pool]

This one looks like it's a police vehicle.

[Ian Crossland]

So that's shooting at the police vehicle, maybe above the hood of the vehicle or above the roof to try and hit somebody on the other side of it or something.

[Tim Pool]

It looks, some people are commenting right now that it looks like his guns jammed.

[Ian Crossland]

He was having problems with it.

[Phil Labonte]

It's a high point.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. But I just noticed watching it, he raises the weapon a second time. You can see right there, just off frame, he's raising. Raising the weapon. It's a pretty.

[Ian Crossland]

It's an unprecedented time because you're talking about bringing down the boot, rounding people up, saying you can't protest, which is just antithetical to the, you know, the essence of the protests in the United States.

[Nick Sorter]

We're way beyond that.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not normal paradigm. I was thinking, like, people talk about nostalgia for the 90s a lot of times. I think it's because the 90s and 2000s was the most. Or the 80s and 90s were the most peaceful era.

[Tim Pool]

It was so peaceful.

[Ian Crossland]

The 90s particularly was so peaceful. The Berlin Wall came down. It was this feeling of, we have world peace now for like 15 years, from like 86 to 91.

[Tim Pool]

Desert Storm.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, those were all under. You didn't hear about it. It was like we did limited things and. What's that?

[Tim Pool]

It was limited warfare.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And.

[Ian Crossland]

And very kept. Well, there's no Internet to be like, hey, look how up limited warfare can be. And then 9, 11.

[Phil Labonte]

The Berlin Wall actually came on down in the 80s.

[Ian Crossland]

It was 89. Yeah, 89. It was. That was that. I remember watching that on tv. It was just a peaceful time.

[Tim Pool]

This.

[Ian Crossland]

It wasn't chaotic. It was ordered and like.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I. I do largely agree that people long for the 90s because it was the end of the Cold War. The US Dominated. There was a massive economic expansion. And those of us who grew up in the 90s, it was like. It was great. America was on top of everything.

[Ian Crossland]

So I grew up in the mindset of I would never considering consider firing on a crowd of protesters. But now a dude pulled out a gun and shot at a cop.

[Tim Pool]

I have been saying this for some time now. Zoran Mandani made it clear when he said he would stop Trump from enforcing the law. These people do not view themselves of the American tradition. They hate America. Zoran Mamdani allegedly has his blog. I don't know if it's actually his, but it's been going viral where he talks about how he wishes he was white and how he feels such envy because he just wants to be white, but he can't. And so this is what motivates these people. Disdain and Jealousy. So this guy is basically saying in his campaign when Donald Trump is elected because he says illegal immigration is bad. So people say, okay, Trump, get the illegal immigrants out of this country. Zoran says, we will protect you. Now, who is you? Who are the families he's talking about? When we talk about conflict and factions in war, each side will refer to their, Their enemies as their enemies. They'll say terrorists, right? But the left doesn't call these people terrorists. They'll call them rebels or freedom fighters or heroes, probably. When Zoran Mandani says protecting families, he's saying the people who broke our laws, have spit on our Constitution, and have nothing but disdain for our way of life, our traditions, and our laws. And when he says he will stop Trump from deporting them, he is telling everyone in the United States, you as an American your will be damned. I will stop your president from doing anything about what we are doing. What I ultimately mean to say by this, Ian, you say, I never would have dreamed on opening fire on a cop. Well, yeah, because that cop is an American, just like you. These people don't view themselves as American. They fly Mexican flags, Colombian flags, they fly flags of Honduras, and they're doing it because they want to make California, Mexico again. So why is that guy shooting? Because he's thinking you when he says you to the, to the ICE agents are enemy occupiers of the land I seek to take away.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I think that's true.

[Tim Pool]

An American doesn't do it unless they're a criminal thinking. I don't care about anybody but myself.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, I mean, at this point, they're also, they're also portrayed as martyrs, too. I mean, you go back, I do believe a little bit of this has to do with the Luigi effect, right? Where this guy has been raised up to the point where he is a saint in the eyes of so many people because he murdered a healthcare CEO in cold blood. And now with all these politicians out there, obviously Democrats, coming out and calling these guys Nazis Gestapo, you know, every name in the book constantly villainizing these people. They're empowered to go out and do this. And I mean, they're like, spend a few minutes on Reddit and look what they have to say about these kind of people. I mean, it is a, it is a disease at this point. And I don't know how we pull out of this. It's going to continue getting uglier unless we put the foot down.

[Tim Pool]

Can we just, can we just take a pause for a second and point out how ABC Said, quote, a protester was seen firing some kind of weapon. I think the moment you're looking at a person opening fire, you say insurgents or terrorist.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they've broken ranks with the protest. If they're opening fire on cops, they're no longer part of the protest.

[Tim Pool]

That's not, that's, that's, that's, that's the, the. No, the protest has become a, a, a, a riots or a, a, a, an insurgent action. Because I'll tell you what's going to happen. Not everybody in the group obviously is going to agree with a guy shooting at someone. They're probably going to freak out and be like, I didn't sign up for this. But I guarantee you a bunch of these people are going to be like, we will hide you and protect you.

[Ian Crossland]

But you might also have an agitator in the crowd with them. And then they open fire. So you don't want to blame the whole crowd for one guy stepping out and doing.

[Tim Pool]

I disagree.

[Nick Sorter]

I mean, honestly, you have to.

[Tim Pool]

You know why? Because when they all wear black masks and jeans and hoodies so that you can't prosecute and figure out who is doing the shooting, and then when they're told show up doing this to obfuscate and cover it up, you got yourselves.

[Ian Crossland]

A unified action going into it with the black bloc. Just know you're part of whatever any of these other black bloc people do is what you're saying.

[Phil Labonte]

You can protest in other places. They're going to where ICE is trying to conduct operations. They can go downtown, hold up signs and protest these, these blah, blah, blah operations and stuff without actually trying to prevent the police from doing what the police are supposed to do. So if they go there, where the police are actually trying to perform operations, round them all up, put them in.

[Tim Pool]

Jail, even if it's seditious conspiracy.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What, what is what these people are doing? That's just one of the charges. Attempted murder is the next charge for sure.

[Ian Crossland]

That guy with the gun? Yeah, attempted murder.

[Tim Pool]

In D.C. when Trump first got elected, hundreds of far leftists were rampaging through the city, smashing windows and starting fires. And they all wore the same clothes intentionally so that you couldn't figure out who did what. And that way, even if the cop watched a guy, he's wearing all black, he throws a brick and the cop grabs him and says, I got him, he threw the brick. What would happen is they'd go to court, they'd say jury trial, and then to the jury, the defense would say what clothing was the Defendant wearing. He was wearing a black hoodie with a black mask, sunglasses and black jeans. And was there anyone else wearing this? Yes, they were all wearing it. So is there a possibility you grabbed the wrong person? No, I saw him do it. That's him. Then they say to the jury, do you really believe. Imagine in your own mind that there is a crowd of 300 people all wearing the exact same clothes. You can say beyond a reasonable doubt, you. You grabbed the correct person. Especially in the mayhem of pepper spray and rocks being thrown. And the jury goes, agreed, they dismissed all the charges. And that's. I don't know. That's literally what happened. That's the intention. That's what they want it to be. The government tried charging them with conspiracy by saying, when you show up wearing these clothes so that you can cover up for the people who are violent, you're in a conspiracy. And it. And it was thrown out. It was dismissed. And then antifa. Various individuals sued the city and won a million bucks.

[Ian Crossland]

If you want to gets. Let me get this out. I want to hear what you say.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, no.

[Nick Sorter]

I was. I'm scoffing at that fact.

[Ian Crossland]

To call it a seditious conspiracy. If you can find funding for this and it's organized. Yes, that is a seditious conspiracy.

[Tim Pool]

They're trying to overthrow. That is not what seditious conspiracy is.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a broad. I was listening to you guys argue.

[Tim Pool]

It's literally right here. If two or more persons. If two or more persons, any state or territory in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, destroy by force the government to levy war against them to, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or in prison not more than 20 years, or both. If you are dressing up to cover up for other people. When you say we can't charge, blame the whole group. I understand what you're saying, but I will counter with this. They know violence is a high probability and is likely. They know the reason they wear those clothes is to protect others who engage in violence. If someone then draws a gun and opens fire, it's exactly what these people signed up for. And considering that five days ago, a group of people. Currently there's an FBI manhunt underway for one of the accomplices in the shooting on an ICE facility. If. If there is no excuse, in my opinion, that you have a group of people launching fireworks at an ICE facility, and when they come out, a guy in the woods shoots a cop in the neck, and these people are gonna feign ignorance. We had no idea that was going on. Yeah, well, it happened twice. So you expect me to believe that two instances where there was an armed ambush on immigration officers shooting two cops in three days, and then less than a week later, you show up to this event and a guy draws a gun and you're gonna go, I had no idea that could happen? Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm thinking about, like, in military conf. If you are fighting against an enemy platoon and only one of them had a rifle and they're shooting at you, you don't. You don't, like, let all the other ones go. The entire platoon is. Is your target. And you could think of these guys as a platoon of enemies, all wearing a uniform. We're not in that domestic warfare situation.

[Phil Labonte]

In the United States. They should all get arrested, right? They should.

[Tim Pool]

They should be charged with accomplices to attempted murder, whatever the charge would be. We. We cannot be afraid of being called fascists when we enforce the law. Let me just pause real quick. In. In. In five days, what are we going. We're going on six days. Leftists, in three different instances, have opened fire on law enforcement who have sworn an oath to the Constitution to uphold its laws and enforce them as they have been passed by Congress. Donald Trump won the popular vote. What these law enforcement officers are doing is the will of the voters. That is democracy. The agents came out with less lethal weapons because they're not trying to cause permanent harm to the people who are protesting. In response, they opened fire. I am surprised at the restraint of. Of this law, of these law enforcement. Considering in the past week we've seen two ambushes, you'd think these officers would already be coming out with at least one guy prepped to use lethal force to put down an armed terrorist ambush. With a group like this and one guy pulling out a gun and opening fire, they all must be arrested and charged. We cannot be sitting here saying, no, no, no, no. Hold on, guys. Let's just air on the benefit of the doubt that these people had no idea that there was going to be another armed ambush for the third time in a week. No, no, no, no, we can't do that. These people need to be made aware of a few things. One, we believe that based on the news. Let me. Let me pause it like this. These protesters know more about the protests than you do, than I do, than anyone, any of us here, or anyone online, because they're directly involved in the organization of these things. So you have to go to me and say, who do you think knows more about the planned actions? The actual people on the ground in that moment or strangers on the Internet? And I'm going to say, I'm pretty sure the people who are there, who are told when to be there and why they should be there no more. Okay, so then you think it's likely that these people are aware of. Of the ambush on CBP and ICE last week? Probably, yes, because these are. These people are having meetings about resistance to ice. So the probability they know that there is violence against cops. Two cops have been shot. Is substantially greater than the average American. When they show up within the same week and a guy draws a gun. I say, if you are in these groups of people that are attempting to kill law enforcement, you will get arrested and charged. And what does that mean? Maybe we don't go seditious conspiracy. Maybe you want to be a little, you know, forgiving. Fine. That means they get a charge with, you know, accomplice to attempted murder or assault an officer, whatever it might be. But they all must be arrested and charged for the actions of the one guy with a gun.

[Ian Crossland]

Makes me think of the January 6th with all those people getting arrested that were just there trespassing, the Trump up charges. And same similar with the riot. Or.

[Tim Pool]

It is completely different, Ian. If there had been a riot at the Capitol, and then three days later, another riot at the Capitol, and then a week later, a thousand people showed up and there was a riot at the Capitol. I'd say, at what point are we gonna be like, yo, those people knew a riot was gonna happen? Like, it's a third time it happened.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, the government said they knew beforehand without evidence, they hit seditious. Well, they had texts like, hey, we're gonna go to the.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, that's not correct. The people who walked in and were milling about.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, those people were.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

There were some people that were planning to go.

[Tim Pool]

If you rioted, you should have been arrested on January 6th.

[Ian Crossland]

You got. Define riot. Is it yelling like.

[Tim Pool]

No, it was the people who were punching cops and smashing windows and forcing.

[Ian Crossland]

Their way into the building, blocking, Standing between that guy and the other cop. You know, draw lines.

[Tim Pool]

You're saying people who are involved in the riot and there is evidence that they were violent towards cops and smashed and vandalized. You charge them for rioting.

[Ian Crossland]

And that guy that fired the gun, you charge him for firing the gun.

[Tim Pool]

That's my argument. Because this is the third time and Right. This is the third time we've had an ambush on law enforcement. And these people are coordinated and organized. It's a little bit different. If there was a random group of people that. Okay, after the shooting, let's say right now, because this is live, let's say they disperse, then seven people walk up and are walking around pointing cameras. If the cops went to those random people and arrest them and charge you with conspiracy, I completely agree. That makes no sense. They had no idea what was going on. They're walking down a public road for the people on January 6, walked into a building on the other side where there's no riot, and the doors were already open, and they're like, I don't know. It's a public building. You're normally allowed to go in it. Why charge those people? This is the difference. Anybody who was in the right, I believe, should have been charged. Now, I agree with the pardons on J6, because three years is long enough. It's a little too long for a riot, in my opinion. Couple of years is fine for assaulting an officer and vandalizing and desecrating or whatever you want to call it.

[Ian Crossland]

I think you would have to prove that the people in the crowd with that guy who opened fire had been there before in order to say that they were conspiring.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I don't care. You know, I'm gonna say this one more time. I don't. I don't care what terrorists who are trying to murder cops say about me.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what they said about the January six people.

[Tim Pool]

It doesn't matter, Ian, because you're completely wrong. Facts are on our side.

[Ian Crossland]

What are you talking about?

[Tim Pool]

Okay, let's try this one more time. We here read and watch the news all day, every day, and we are well aware of the true facts of January6. That is a riot did occur. It was bad. People did assault officers. That is bad. Vandals have occurred. That is bad. But the state went after people who didn't do anything. People who an hour later were walking around on the grass, or Owen Schroyer, who never went in the building, or Brennan Strzok, who never went in the building. I am saying these people are actively in a small group one during the same week where two other immigration officers were fired upon, and they're dressing in a way where they were told to dress to coordinate their actions.

[Ian Crossland]

The Uniform is interesting. Maybe you could argue if they're there in uniform.

[Tim Pool]

I would. I would argue this again. If there was a riot at the Capitol and then three days later there was a riot at the Capitol, and then three days later there was a ride at the Capitol, at that point, I'd argue. I think the people who are showing up are well aware that the intention is to ride at the Capitol. Now, I don't know about hunting them down across the country and trying to give them 20 years. Like I said, three years was too long. But for these people who are shooting cops, nobody on January six shot a cop. The media lied about cops dying. So what do you, what do you get charged with for assaulting an officer in a riot? Maybe a couple years. Instead, they put people in solitary for three without even giving them a trial in some circumstances or withholding evidence. That's dramatically different. My point is you've got a cluster of like 20 people who have meetings, direct action, they've organized, they've showed up, and a guy pulled a gun and shot and tried to murder law enforcement.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to know the funny. I want to know about the organization. This is exactly what I'm talking about. If there is a conspiracy here and people are grouping, it's not just emergent. We got to know who, like you said, what do we do? How do we stop this without bringing the boot down? You figure out who's paying these people, there's a global culture war right now. You got to do both. But you've got to figure out why is this. Because it's. If it, if you just stop, these new people will emerge and do the same role. If it's being funded by a communist.

[Nick Sorter]

Global using organization, using the same argument that you're using with the pedophiles to.

[Ian Crossland]

Trying to stop the person doesn't stop the behavior.

[Nick Sorter]

But, but, but, you know, I want to talk about this part.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry, one last point. Maybe when people who show up and provide cover for armed terrorists who are trying to murder cops, maybe when they get arrested and charged. And again, I'll say this for the people that are party to that group, who are apprised of the meeting and the action and the plans, maybe they'll say, I had no idea he'd draw a gun. Okay, well, you still get a year in jail for that. You are party to a group that tried to murder police. Okay, maybe when that happens, people stop showing up and giving cover to armed terrorists who are trying to murder law enforcement.

[Ian Crossland]

If you're there in a uniform Man. And somebody else with your uniform on opens fire, commits a crime. I mean, your organization should be called a terrorist for one reason.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you this. What do you think would happen if your buddy asked? He said, hey, can you give me a ride to the bank real quick? I gotta deposit a check.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, and he went and robbed the bank.

[Tim Pool]

And then he pulls out a gun and runs through the building.

[Ian Crossland]

Of course, even though you didn't know you might get a reduced charge if you truly didn't know what was going on. But I would imagine you'd be implicated.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, yeah, but, you know, you were talking about the issue where people are afraid, like, especially on the Republican side or being called fascists or whatever. But the political ramifications of that, I don't think, you know, beside, you know, outside of like MSNBC pundits and such, that that run of the mill Americans are not going to side with you on cracking down on rioters that are opening fire on police officers.

[Phil Labonte]

This is still a 60%, 70% of Americans want. Yeah, like, want to see. People want to see illegals deported. They don't want to see police being injured. They don't want to see rioters.

[Nick Sorter]

It goes further than that when you're talking about shooting police officers. What are we at 80, 20 now?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, that's the thing. It's this such a safe bet for the Trump administration to bring the boot down on because nobody likes this stuff. Nobody wants to see rioters, nobody wants to see people hurting cops. Nobody wants to see illegal staying in the country and taking, you know, taking spaces at the hospital, taking, taking up spaces on any kind of, you know, government assistance roles. The American people have made it very clear that they want to see deportations of, of, of illegal immigrants. Not just criminal aliens, but the, you know, actually the ones that are committing crimes, but even people that are here illegally and, and if they're just, you know, like, trying to keep their head. This is one of the most spectacular venues with all kinds of character and hospitality scenery. These people in this Kitty Task Valley.

[Tim Pool]

They love when you come to see what they have to offer. I'm JJ Harrison, Ellensburg Rodeo Clown, and.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to invite you to the rodeo.

[Tim Pool]

Come hang out with us in Ellensburg. Great rodeo, great time. Two performances on Saturday. One is the Extreme Bulls of the Year event. Do not miss The Ellensburg Rodeo, August 29th through September 1st. We'll see you there.

[Phil Labonte]

Now the American people want to see illegal sent home. This is not a hard problem for the administration.

[Nick Sorter]

So what what are we waiting for at this point, though? I mean, do we have to wait until one is actually killed before we, you know, put the boot down?

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me jump to this story. We had this on the post. Millennial wanted. FBI manhunt underway for armed antifa suspect allegedly involved in the ambush shooting outside ICE detention center in Texas. Benjamin Hanil Song, 32, of Dallas is wanted for attempted murder and is considered armed and dangerous. So we got somebody on the rung. They say the FBI believes Song purchased four of the firearms connected to the premeditated attack, which was allegedly carried out by a North Texas antifa cell. Ten heavily armed members of the cell have been arrested and charged with attempted murder and other crimes. On July 4, local and federal officers were lured to the area outside an ICE facility in Alvarado, Texas and found themselves fired upon by a group of heavily armed militants dressed in black military style clothing. According to the criminal complaint, one officer was shot in the neck but survived. Authorities said the gunman fired approximately 20 to 30 rounds of ammo using AR15 style rifles. So I, I gotta, I got a question. Shot in the neck area from an AR15. The presumption is that's going to be what, 223 or 556?

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

And raised him because that's.

[Tim Pool]

Seriously. Yeah, because if you actually got in the neck with. That's going to cavitate, isn't it? Yeah, it's gonna vaporize a lot of your.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, he prayed. They probably, he probably got nicked. You know, thankfully, it was, it was wow. On the level of, of the, the shot that Trump got because like he was released, so it didn't get a significant amount of. It didn't get him.

[Tim Pool]

This is crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, you're, you're. A word is a hearing, you know.

[Tim Pool]

This guy is on the run. They say the FBI believes Song hid in the woods for roughly 24 hours after the ambush before escaping on foot. An FBI agent wrote in the court filing that Song's cell phone was traced near the scene of the crime beginning at 11:30pm shortly after the attack, and remained in the area through the day of July 5th. This guy laid and waited for a day. These people are not messing around. We had Yo Ram on the show on Monday and he says, didn't we see this in the 2020 riots? People are shooting cops. And I said, no. While we did see cops get shot, this is, this is militant. The stuff we saw in, in the 2020 riots was more wanton. There was an instance where that Guy with a sniper rifle went up on the roof in Texas. Absolutely. This is now two instances of organized, like, strategized action. That is, these people were heavily armed. One guy hid for the ambush. They acted like routine protesters launching fireworks. And when the cops walked out, they unloaded with a rifle.

[Ian Crossland]

This is like, okay, they say there's sleeper cells in the United States potentially from all this illegal people come in. Of course they're not going to come out and be like nine of them. Be like, we are from Iran and we will take. No, they're going to go into a riot. They're going to. They're going to go into an antifa protest. They're going to be the one with the gun, try and get all their other American protesters arrested. So they, it's like a double win for them. Not only do they get to go out the government and scare everybody, they get to screw over all these other protesters. I'm not saying this guy was a, was an insurgent or, or anything. I'm just saying this kind of thing, it's gonna like, you see one guy here, one guy here, one guy in that group. They could be foreign terrorists. I mean, do we actually know.

[Nick Sorter]

It says he's of Dallas, Texas. Do we actually know? Or is this like Maryland man from El Salvador?

[Ian Crossland]

Song. So he's not.

[Tim Pool]

Not.

[Ian Crossland]

It probably hasn't been in the United States for six generations.

[Nick Sorter]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

The guy's obviously got some Asian heritage. Maybe Chinese, I don't know. Song. Korean. Not that that. The first thing I thought was, oh, great, is he a Chinese national? It's the first thing I thought. Yeah, I'm like, get this racist out of your head, dude. But where else?

[Phil Labonte]

What?

[Ian Crossland]

I had another piece I'm going to come up with in a minute.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, look, this is. Apparently, this is the guy that was kind of like facilitating for everybody. And he's pretty well known among people that are on the left and people that, that follow the left. I guess Andy Ngo was saying that he's had interactions with this guy as well. So look, that this kind of stuff is just going to continue to escalate.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what I'm thinking.

[Phil Labonte]

Because they're getting away with it.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm like, okay, this story is already written. The story of reality, of humanity. Like, we're just living a pre, predestined thing where, oh, now Palantir is going to take over. They're gonna have a super spy program domestically. They're going to have drones in the sky above us constantly for our own safety to make sure that we find all the illegal things. And that's the reality we're having for the next 30 years.

[Phil Labonte]

California is doing that with fireworks. There's a guy that's going to get, oh yeah, $100,000 fine because in the LA area because he was setting off fireworks and they had, the police, had.

[Nick Sorter]

Drones, just, you know, it's $1,000 per firework. And even if, even if it's at your house and you're not there, you still get charged with it because they passed a law that, that, you know, that social happenings at your dwelling are your responsibility. So you get fined for it too. So if I go into my neighbor's vacation house and start blasting off fireworks for July 4th, you know, he gets charged with it. I'm good. It's fantastic.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's like, yeah, like illegal doesn't mean good. So if we get this over obsessed system of legality where everyone's like, it can't happen because it's illegal.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, dude, this is getting nuts. ICE using Blackhawks to support the farm raids. Watch this video. Who have showed up to vehemently protest what's going on here and oh, it's beautiful. Patrol helicopter has entered the seat here. They are landing in the middle of the farm as we speak. Is that here? They were not planning to be here as long as they have been.

[Ian Crossland]

And so this helicopter that you're looking.

[Tim Pool]

At here, guys, apparently just made a run over to Van Nuys airport for some cases of water, which is what they're bringing into the city. Seen here. Okay, okay. There are a whole team of ice. They're just hydrating laundry.

[Ian Crossland]

Gun bloat.

[Tim Pool]

I thought, I thought they were like dispatching more units.

[Ian Crossland]

They're definitely showing, but they were doing.

[Nick Sorter]

That during the LA riots. They were, they did, they did bring a Blackhawk in and unload tactical gear with it. So we know that they are. And I just looked at the registration on that. That is a DHS helicopter.

[Tim Pool]

This, this, this is, let me just say, holy crap. What we're starting to see this past week and I, and I hope it's a blip. You know, when the 2020 riots happened, we, we said we hope, we hope it's a blip. And it got bad over that year and the next year with violence and then we kind of had a lull where I probably because Biden was in charge, Antifa wasn't going as hard as it in 2020. But Trump is president now. He's enacting the Will of the people. And we're, we're on what, month six. And we're not even. And now we've seen militant strategic ambushes on law enforcement.

[Nick Sorter]

I don't see how this goes away. I think it escalates. I think it escalates to the point where we are forced to deploy the military and have military intervention. I mean, what is the incentive for them to slow down and stop? Right now, there's hardly any consequences.

[Tim Pool]

We had this conversation like every other week almost, where we asked the question amongst ourselves, what is the logic behind a de escalation?

[Ian Crossland]

It would only be to enhance stability, domestic stability, in case there's a global conflict war like the Russians in 1916. You know, the Russian Revolution screwed the Soviet, the Russian Emperor Empire out of World War I. They couldn't even fight in the war because there's domestic.

[Phil Labonte]

This is all, this is all about domestic stuff. I mean, I don't. This isn't really international.

[Ian Crossland]

I wish it borders protected us, but it's all international at this point. This is a, this is not accidental. This is a global move. The culture war they call it is like they're using Internet to seed communities of people to do uprisings. They're pay their funding, probably crypto being passed behind black channels.

[Phil Labonte]

It's all connected, man.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it is. And I tell you, communism, fascism, global tyranny would love, probably the most thing they would love at all to see the United States fall is to see this democracy kill itself. It would be the ultimate win for, for, like you said, this, this, this experiment of freedom where we're all kind of legally equal. This, it's real new. It, it's, it's. That's tenuous at best. So that would be the one reason to de escalate is to maintain stability. But that doesn't necessarily mean in the long run that we would be stabilized.

[Tim Pool]

There are a million reasons. There's an infinite number of reasons to de escalate. The question is, what is the logic for a path that results in de escalation? There isn't one.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, off the top of my head, maybe not. But yeah, I like that.

[Tim Pool]

Hypothetically, Donald Trump crushes them and it stops. He goes in with a heavy hand and then they stop. But I think, I don't know that Trump would go heavy enough. And like I said, the right is being. Is scared of being called a fascist or fascists. So they keep saying, we better not, we better not. And it's like, okay, well, the reason why we're seeing this degree of violence is because when the far left came out with explosives, they didn't get arrested. And so the college kids and the people they're recruiting, they're like, look, if you come out and join us, you won't get arrested. It never happens. Okay? And so the next step is obviously guns.

[Ian Crossland]

I think you. You have to crack down on it because it's like a fire, brush fire.

[Tim Pool]

Right now, and it's multiple brush fires.

[Ian Crossland]

And if you don't put them out, one of those can create a forest fire, which can destroy your entire ecosystem. And I saw that in 2020. I was like, why did not bring out the National Guard day two of those stupid riots. I'm like, why is this still happening? Why is three days gone by and it hasn't been quelled? And, you know, they call it pacification. That's the word that the. The militant conquerors want to use about, like, we're just bringing peace and stability. We're pacifying the populace. Well, what does that mean? They're going in there and stomping it down with guns, swords, put them in.

[Tim Pool]

I honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. I know it's probably cliche to see if we go down the Roman Republic route and they're like, the Republic, as we'd call it, crumbles and it becomes something else. I mean, we called it the Roman Empire after the fact, but I don't know that we would do that because people have an aversion to that.

[Ian Crossland]

Begging for a strong man like Caesar. That would be Trump and then giving him massive authorities. Caesar took it, or they basically gave it to him just to acquiesce it.

[Tim Pool]

To him in the event that, like, let's say within a year, this is 100 times worse. Trump's going to be granted emergency powers. He's going to insurrection act. The entire country should be impeached.

[Ian Crossland]

If it's 100 times worse, he's not doing his job.

[Tim Pool]

Should be impeached. If insurgent, leftist, violent terrorists are attacking.

[Ian Crossland]

The country, we need a real president there. Would stop that from happening. Okay, I'm sorry, I kind of interrupted.

[Tim Pool]

What you were saying.

[Ian Crossland]

If someone were a president, were to let this get 100 times worse, they should not be our president. That's ineffectual leadership.

[Tim Pool]

So. Oh, so you think they need to bring down. So how do you stop it from getting 100 times worse?

[Ian Crossland]

I'm kind of with you. I mean, I think iron has a crack down. Like, you have to bring out heavy weapons.

[Tim Pool]

Don't bring anything about Heavy weapons.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm talking about heavy weapons. Like you scare the shit out of.

[Tim Pool]

The people that are. And they want, they should have one cop right there armed with a rifle.

[Ian Crossland]

For drone, where the bullets come from, where you can't even see kind of thing. So people are like, I just only want to go outside.

[Tim Pool]

Only in the. Okay, Ian. Only in the event the police are about to be killed. Right is my point. I'm not. I'm saying they should all be arrested and charged as accomplices so that the other people, these, these young people who join these riots know you can't be party to these things. We will punish you. You'll be punished, you'll be arrested. But when I say it gets 100 times worse, there's, I don't know that there's theoretically any reasonable thing Trump can do to prevent it from getting 100 times worse. If the far left organizes in a short period of time and decides to go out in the streets with rifles and start unloading on law enforcement, that's not something that we just predict is going to happen. Unless you're suggesting Donald Trump begin a mass surveillance program of these people and then arrest them before it can happen.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not just these people, it'll be everybody. That's the problem with mass surveillance.

[Tim Pool]

And my point was what we are seeing here, some people are suggesting the comments that these are cannabis growers, probably cartel linked, and that's why they're opening fire. If it does turn out, cartel interests say this is now war and it is 100 times worse. Meaning you are seeing rifle fire from the shrubs, through the bushes at cops, cops are in armored, you know, APCs are taking fire, the military is coming in. If some of that were to happen, the American people would say, Donald Trump, we grant you the supreme authority to stop this. And let me just add one more thing. What, Let me ask you guys this question. What? Actually, let's do this. Let's start, let's, let's start here.

[Ian Crossland]

I just saw your poll in the chat on YouTube.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me launch this story from the New York Times because this is a big component of it. Judge blocks Trump's birthright Citizenship. Citizenship Order in Class Action Challenge.

[Phil Labonte]

Didn't we do that last week? What, didn't they just, just have a finding about this, like, two weeks ago.

[Tim Pool]

That, that the universal injunctions were stopped. But let's, let's, let's start here. What we are, what we are seeing right now is Donald Trump's agenda, the will of the people and the response to the left. There's an institutional conflict happening where judges are trying to stop Trump and the people's agenda. And then you have, in the streets, people are shooting at Donald Trump. I'm sorry, they're shooting at Donald Trump's agenda is what I mean to say. They're using, they're using guns against law enforcement to prevent the agenda from happening and targeting what we want, you know, stopping what the American people have voted for. So right now I want to ask you guys some questions and so we can address how Trump responds to what's been going on. Let me just, for the sake of it, for clarity, people may be just joining the segment for the first time. We have just gotten within the past hour report and a video of a man opening fire on law enforcement. In these raids northwest of la. Monday we had an armed, right, a man with a rifle ambush, CBP officers shooting a cop. And Friday an organized militarized group ambushed police outside of an ICE facility. So with that being said, I have a question for you guys. What do you think would have happened if Abraham Lincoln said after seven states seceded from the Union, if he said.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, I guess there would have been two countries, the north and south, and.

[Nick Sorter]

Then they would have went to war.

[Ian Crossland]

Probably would have been 10 times the blood because two countries can't exist on this continent together alone.

[Phil Labonte]

Canada and the United States currently exist because.

[Ian Crossland]

Because New England wants, not for long wants the Gulf of Mexico sea access. They want Pacific coast access.

[Tim Pool]

Let's try this. Nick, what do you think would have happened if Abraham Lincoln said, okay, when is when the south seceded?

[Nick Sorter]

Well, I, I, I mean it depends. Are we talking about what would northern patriots have done? I mean, I don't think that we would have actually allowed that to happen.

[Tim Pool]

In the event Abraham Lincoln said seven states have seceded from the Union. Okay, what happens next?

[Nick Sorter]

Well, he wouldn't have been elected again.

[Tim Pool]

That's not true. Okay, all right, so four years later or three years later? I think yeah, it would have been four years later. Cuz this session happened before he got in. So he gets in. So before he even got into office, seven states had seceded. He gets in and says, guys, we accept this. So he wouldn't get elected again. Let's just pause there. There will be. Right. Phil, what do you think would happen?

[Phil Labonte]

I think that foreign, there would be foreign powers trying to influence the United States and the Confederate States. The stability of both of the countries would have been in question. I think that it's possible that the Southern states might have actually aligned with. With like, France or something like that.

[Tim Pool]

Right. And so over a long period of time, there'd be trade disputes and squabbles and, wow. Surprisingly, you know, wouldn't have happened. The Civil War.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, well, that's why I said a war would have broke out. I think it would have. It just would have been a. It would have been a global war with, sure, whatever. But the point is foreign powers funding both sides.

[Tim Pool]

It would have been. My question to you is, what would have happened if Abraham Lincoln decided not to engage this.

[Ian Crossland]

In the short term, there would have been a successful secession, and in the long term, there would have been a horrible war.

[Tim Pool]

We're not talking long term. My point I'm making is civil war started because Abraham Lincoln put his boot down and said. Said, we are not going to let the Union dissolve. The south was content to sit where they were and said, no. And Abraham Lincoln said, well, actually, Fort Sumter was Abraham Lincoln. It was basically the U.S. government saying, look, this is our base. You can't have it. And then the Battle of Bull Run was the north basically saying, we will fight you for this. And then after that, Abraham Lincoln said, we are going to amass troops and go down to the South. That's why Southerners call it the War of Northern Aggression. But I'll say this. Slavery is evil. So Abraham Lincoln said, the Union will not be dissolved. He did not issue the Emancipation Proclamation to free slaves. He did it to destabilize the south, as evidenced by the fact that Maryland and Delaware were allowed to keep their slaves. The point being, Abraham Lincoln said, I will suspend the Constitution where I see fit. I will arrest the Maryland legislature where I see fit. And he is called the greatest president in this country.

[Ian Crossland]

It was. The Baltimore riot is why he suspended habeas corpus. There was this riot in Baltimore. It was too close to the Capitol. It was a big threat. So he's like, fuck, fuck it.

[Tim Pool]

Arrest them all, no matter what. Don't care. Don't care why. No evidence needed. You lock them up and you keep them there forever.

[Nick Sorter]

They were at war.

[Tim Pool]

Did.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

This is before.

[Ian Crossland]

Before the.

[Tim Pool]

This is. This is the start of the war where he decided, are you sure? Well, look it up.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Because if it was midwar. My point is the beginning of the war established territories, the US Government. Abraham Lincoln basically said, we need a corridor between Pennsylvania and D.C. and Maryland is a slave state with, you know, sympathies. So he arrested a third of the Maryland legislature because they were sympathetic to the south and a slave state, so that they would not rise against him. And he suspended habeas corpus in a corridor from Pennsylvania to D.C. so that they wouldn't be obstructed.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, you're right. It was the Baltimore Riots of 1861, right at the beginning, considered the first bloodshed of the American Civil War. Huge riot broke out in Baltimore and then military clampdown.

[Tim Pool]

And so my point is, the right is so afraid of being called fascists and that they don't enforce the law as it's written, let alone what Abraham Lincoln did.

[Ian Crossland]

Had Abraham Lincoln not done that, that probably the United States would not be here today.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. And so my point is, all I'm saying is that Donald Trump should use the laws placed before him that within the constitutional powers that have already been adjudicated. The Insurrection act, for instance. He just won on the National Guard case last month and shut down these extremists how he needs to so that we do not escalate to that point.

[Ian Crossland]

And my counter is you are the process that you commit. So what we do, how we get there, is going to dictate what we are when it's over with. But at the same time, Lincoln shut down habeas corpus and then brought it back. Like you don't have. Just because you do a horrible, tyrannical thing or just a. A dangerously powerfully tyrannical thing doesn't mean that that's always going to be. Be how it is forever after that. Like, there could be moments of crackdown.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So the way I look at it right now is there will come a time where a line is drawn and we don't know what that line will be or when it will be or how or where. Abraham Lincoln had a choice. He could have said, hey guys, I'm getting into office in a couple months, and these seven states have declared secession. There was a period where for several months they were just operating as if they were the Confederacy. Then Abraham Lincoln. So after Abraham Lincoln got elected, not he was. He was president elect, they declared they were seceding out of fears that he would shut down slavery, which would damage their economy. The actual argument from Lincoln was, no, no, you can keep your slaves. Just no new slaves anywhere else that was still a threat to them because you had bleeding cancers for seven years where people were shooting each other over slaves like John Brown. So they secede. Abraham Lincoln a couple months later gets in to office and then says, I'm not letting that happen. So Fort Sumter happens. I, I could be totally wrong about this, but I think it was Fort Sumter. No one actually died in the conflict. One person died due to an accident or something. It was like misfire. And then the battle of Bull Run was bloody. And I believe it was after that Abraham Lincoln, because they were defeated, called upon to send like 15. Was it like he called 15, 000 troops or something like this? Whatever, whatever. He ended up doing it. He called for troops to go quell the rebellion, which resulted in four more states seceding and joining the Confederacy, which I think included Virginia. I don't know if I don't think Virginia ceded initially.

[Ian Crossland]

It did not.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then because of the actions of Lincoln, basically saying, constitution be damned, they went, holy crap, this is, we don't want this. And then he said, don't know, don't care. I am going to do whatever it takes to preserve the Union and stop you.

[Nick Sorter]

You're asking where that line is? It seems like, you know, I think the line is kind of obvious at this point, in my opinion. Anyway. As soon as you see a situation like this where somebody is opening fire and an ICE agent is actually killed, I think that's the line. I think once you cross that, I think the political pressure on Trump by itself is going to force him to act in a swift and strong manner, which is going to require the military. What more assets can DHS bring out on their own? I mean, at this point they gotta be close to tapped out. I mean you can bring more manpower and stuff in, but, but you know, at that point you're getting, if you're getting ICE agents and such killed. Just look at the base, look at what the base is going to do at that point. They're going to freak the hell out. And President Trump isn't gonna have a choice. I think he's going to have to bring in the military.

[Ian Crossland]

If it's cartel stuff that got mentioned earlier, if it's actual cartel stuff, I mean, are they considered terrorist organizations at this point?

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, you do.

[Ian Crossland]

Like behind enemy lines, military actions. If that's the case.

[Phil Labonte]

Have you ever watched any of the cartel stuff from Mexico? Like what the cartels actually look like? Like it's not just like, it's not like the old, you know, like mobster movie stuff. Like they're, they're rolling around with like actual full on narco tanks. They have, they've got like full on like 134 Gatling guns, M2 machine guns, they're all kitted up. They have rocket launchers they have grenade launchers. It's far closer to, to what we fought, what the US Fought in Afghanistan than it is to you know, any kind of just, just, you know, police action stuff. So they were, they would need legitimate military assets to actually engage.

[Ian Crossland]

Where do they get the weapons from?

[Nick Sorter]

Well, they have Javelins now from Ukraine. So they get them from. And that's true. Yes, absolutely. The Sinaloa cartel has Javelins, long range missiles. Yes, well, surface to air. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, it's no joke. Like, to take on the cartels would be an endeavor as similar to taking on the terrorists in the Middle east or in like, Afghanistan.

[Ian Crossland]

So, yeah, it's not as mountainous in Mexico as it is in Afghanistan.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know, there's, there's mountains in, in like the, on the west of western side. And even still, like, it doesn't matter. The topography isn't, isn't as important as it is the weaponry that they have.

[Ian Crossland]

Right. They're using like 2005 weapons and we have 2025 weapons.

[Phil Labonte]

So they're using, they're using drones, dude. They're, they're using 2025 weapons.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to. So I did pull the story, but let's actually dive into it. We have this from the New York Times. A district court judge in New Hampshire has blocked Trump's birthright citizenship order in a class action challenge. So this was filed by the aclu and they sought to create a class of people that was future people or current people born after February 20 and illegal immigrants as their class. So the judge ruled only existing infants are subject to this ruling. But that, that does mean infants in the entire country, they. Trump cannot enforce the ban on birthright citizenship for now, so he will likely appeal this. The interesting thing about it is that because of the way the Supreme Court ruled on district courts and class actions, Trump just needs to create a new class himself. So, like, make an executive order saying if anybody wants to register their child for their, register their birth, they need to have, have two. They each have to have a legal form of ID on them at the time of. And then what happens is. Yeah, and they're going to be like, that's not fair. And then they're going to, then ACLU will be like, anyone who doesn't have a legal form of ID is our. Within our class. And then Trump could just keep doing it.

[Nick Sorter]

But this is the second case here where they have circumvented this Supreme Court ban on nationwide injunctions by deciding that it's all of A sudden a class action lawsuit. It's not like these infants or their parents signed off to the lawsuit. The judge brought them in by himself. So I don't. I don't really understand, like, at what point is that. Is that, Is that actually allowed? Is that part going to be challenged as well? Because it seems like they're just, you know, using a loophole here. What am I missing?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I. I feel like that.

[Nick Sorter]

Can't you do that with. With every single issue?

[Phil Labonte]

I feel like they. The. The administration just should just totally ignore this judge because the Supreme Court's already decided.

[Tim Pool]

Like, no, the Supreme Court decided you need a class.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, okay. So, all right. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right. So the circumstances, the ACLU credit a class. The judge said this class is protected, and that class is all infants.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean that with every Alito specified that this was a downstream effect. So the Supreme Court should step in.

[Tim Pool]

And say, Supreme Court said Trump could not enforce the ban for 30 days specifically to create leeway for groups to challenge his executive order.

[Ian Crossland]

But how did they create a class?

[Tim Pool]

So they file a class action, and they list in their filing, our class is as such. And the judge says, yes or no. The judge removed the unborn and adults from the class, creating a singular class of infants. I think it's specifically infants of undocumented parents is the class. And then he said, I roll from the bench. Trump can't do this.

[Nick Sorter]

They used this, I believe, last week, too, this same little loophole thing where they decided that asylum seekers are a class as well, and so they should be allowed to go through the regular asylum process at the southern border again after Trump made the executive order kind of shutting that entire thing down. So, I mean it. But, you know, I don't know the legality of this. I'm assuming that the Trump administration is going to very quickly challenge these two cases. But it seems like, you know, we're back where we started with the. I mean, we're essentially still facing nationwide injunctions under a. Under a different name. I mean, am I wrong? Is that. Am I missing something?

[Tim Pool]

So the issue there can be an injunction that affects the entire country so long. It's not a. It's not granting relief outside of the plaintiffs. So if it's a class action and the plaintiffs are nationwide, it affects them nationwide. I think that's fine. It creates this path where Trump can just create a bunch of new classes himself. So, again, Trump could be like. So let me add that to this. Actually, I was wrong. Wrong. It's not just the Children of undocumented, but also to those born to academics in the US on student visas.

[Ian Crossland]

What?

[Tim Pool]

Weird, weird class, but sure.

[Ian Crossland]

Anyway, a Chinese guy comes here and he's 23, on a. On a school visa, and he has a kid. The kid's an American citizen.

[Tim Pool]

That's how it is right now. Always. That's so messed up, it's ridiculous. So anyway, for Trump, he need only sign another executive order, and he can do it any way he wants. Like I said, he could do that. You need. You need. You need to have a legal ID when you're registering the birth of your child. Otherwise, that's an illegal register. That's a void registration. And then basically, the illegal immigrants are gonna be like, we don't have those. I'm like, well, then we can't register the child. So then they can't claim he was born here. Then they're gonna file and sue and say, it's unconstitutional, you can't do this. And they're gonna claim black people don't have IDs or something. And then Trump could just say, okay, he can line up 50 executive orders and say, I will see you all in court on this. Now, don't get me wrong, it's kind of messed up. He can't do that. That's what Cuomo is basically doing in New York. York. He shut down all the churches. They sued the judges. The court said, open the churches. And he went, sure. The churches are now are all hereby opened. And, oh, another executive order, slightly different. Can't go to church now. So he kept doing that. Trump could play the same game. He can then say after the IDs, he could say something like, you need proof of residency. You know, that's it. And then they're going to be like, oh, we're gonna do. He could literally just make the same executive order again. Again. And they're gonna have to sue him. They were doing with district court judges, and then they'll have to go to the Supreme Court again. And it would just tie everything up. And in the meantime, in this period, birthright citizenship is effectively stalled as long as it keeps going.

[Ian Crossland]

Stalled in that it's not happening right now or stalled in that it would be.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's stalled until. I don't know. You mean Trump wins or loses?

[Ian Crossland]

I guess stalled as in kids are American sociopaths or they're not. They're not.

[Tim Pool]

Not.

[Ian Crossland]

So that's the law right now.

[Tim Pool]

So right now, this injunction stops Trump from enforcing. Right. The registration of babies as US Citizens effectively of the children of non, of non citizens. So they've put this stay on, specifically these kids, which is interesting because this is, it's actually really interesting. Trump actually has a big victory here. If this is the, if this is the. I want to read this look, it says the decision applies nationwide to babies who would have been subject to the executive order, which included the children of undocumented parents and those born to academics. My question then is, what about the children born to a tourist? Is Trump still winning a bit on this? Interesting, because tourists are documented. They're just here on temporary state cards.

[Ian Crossland]

People here on green cards also, their kids are not citizens.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I guess that is what that would indicate. The judge is just trying to pick away at the, at the mountain.

[Nick Sorter]

So we're making steps forward here, is what you're saying.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, little steps.

[Ian Crossland]

If it's, if that's the direction you're heading, very soon be forward.

[Phil Labonte]

But yeah, I mean, the kind of, the class stuff that is, that is what Alito was talking about when he.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, guys, I, I, I just never trust the New York Times. Never noted. I, so my understanding, based on the New York Times reporting and I always read a couple stories and then I choose my principal source. And so I had read, you know, like CNN and NBC. And then I said, I'm going to go to the New York Times, got a better headline. I pulled up the actual statement from the aclu. They may have just banned abortion. Oh, tell me future persons are a legal class protected and deserving of representation before the courts.

[Ian Crossland]

Future person. Oh, you can't make that decision.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, it's in the, it's in the court order. It says in the above. This court grants petitioner's motion and provisionally certifies the following class for the purpose of preliminary injunctive relief. All current, all current and future persons who are born honor after February 2025. And then it goes on to add where that person's mother was unlawfully present United States, the person's father was not a US Citizen or a lawful permanent resident. Time of said birth or the person's mother mother's present. The US Was lawful but temporary and the person's father was not a US Citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time. They have just certified future persons as a class deserving of representation and injunctive relief. I should, I should have just read the director. That's my fault. I apologize, because this is what we've been talking about the whole time. This means every Single pro life group should right now be launching 20 different lawsuits everywhere they can in every single state. They just. This judge just said future person. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Like kids that aren't even conceived yet.

[Tim Pool]

Have a legal right to representation.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Holy.

[Ian Crossland]

The thing is, you can make something a law that doesn't make sense. This sounds like it doesn't make sense. Like, if you said it is illegal for a human to fly straight up in the air 7, 000ft, you could pass that law. It would never happen. People don't fly straight up in the air 7, 000ft. So, like, what's the point of that law? Same as this. They're not people. There are no future persons to become future persons. You understand, man?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, there are no.

[Ian Crossland]

They're not future. They're nothing. There's nothing there. It doesn't become something.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So unless they're already conceived in the womb, there's no. There's no. No person to.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the point.

[Ian Crossland]

They're saying people that aren't even conceived yet. In that law, they're indicating that children that have yet to be born in three years from now. Which means they're not in the womb at this point.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, it's. It's. It's pretty specific. It says if it says right there, it's in the future persons who are born or after February 20, 25. It's very specific. It says right there, future persons that.

[Ian Crossland]

Are born in 29, on or after.

[Tim Pool]

After February 20th.

[Ian Crossland]

So if a kid's born in 2029, this law would still affect them even though they haven't been conceived yet. Now they're not a future person. Right now.

[Tim Pool]

They're literally saying someone who could be born 20 years from now. A future person means every. Every conceivable human ever.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, like robot. You want to talk about personhood? I think India gave dolphins or elephants personhood or something.

[Tim Pool]

Thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Dolphins.

[Tim Pool]

Yo, this is wild. All future persons is. Is. It's an infinite statement a future person could refer to. Like, you just said dolphins. Like, if in the future personhood is granted to.

[Ian Crossland]

To adult artificial intelligence Personas.

[Tim Pool]

They. They. So this is. Okay, so we had Will Chamberlain on when the Supreme Court issued this ruling. He's an actual lawyer. And we were talking about, what does it mean that they argued for future persons? And he was like, I. I don't know that future persons can have legal standing. Wait, what? And I'm like, that's the class they're seeking to. To. That's the group they're Seeing to form a class against or for future person. Ignore all the weird semantic problems. What the ACLU meant is a baby in the womb. That's what they meant. I mean, I think they do literally mean someone who was conceived a year from now as well.

[Ian Crossland]

But yeah, they're trying to sneak that in there.

[Tim Pool]

They're basically saying a baby in the womb not yet born as a future person and they have legal standing as a class to be represented. According to this judge. This means any, any pro life group should file with the exact same judge or citing this ruling, argue they would seek injunctive relief to block any abortion so long as this is in effect.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it illegal to kill a future person? That's the question.

[Tim Pool]

That's the, the argument is simply this. If you can get injunctive relief granted to a future person for the issue of citizenship not yet received, you better.

[Ian Crossland]

Damn well be able to protect their life from.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, they're a future person and you are protecting them from the termination of their life and the inhibition of their future personhood.

[Nick Sorter]

So are you saying so, so, so are you going to the point where you can say that, okay, a class action lawsuit could be filed by, you know, moms for life or something like that.

[Tim Pool]

That.

[Nick Sorter]

And that class is future persons who are born on or after February 20th of 2025. Is that, is that what you're talking about? Like creating a class out of that with this same judge to walk a board.

[Tim Pool]

Now, now here's what's going to happen. This same judge is probably going to be a liberal or just be like, no. And then this is. We need this to happen right now. Every single pro life group, tweet it out, share it. They need to be filing tomorrow to this same same district judge in the same district, because he needs to then explain why in one instance he would allow legal standing as a class future persons for illegal immigrants, but not for those about to be aborted. And then you, if you simultaneously have in both instances, I do not grant this as a class, then we get to ask the question, why is that. Or he just goes, okay. And then you say, all right, wait, before you can abort a baby, the baby gets representation and that person will represent them before a court.

[Ian Crossland]

You just having all the abortion. Anti abortion pro life activists saying I need to legally protect my, my future child, my future makes no sense. It violates every norm of the, of the, of the abortion debate. It's so ridiculous. And I, it pokes a hole in this guy's argument.

[Tim Pool]

It.

[Ian Crossland]

You cannot legally Protect. I mean, you legally protect the unborn. You can do that.

[Tim Pool]

But they don't have granting class certifications. They don't have future persons.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, they're not persons. You can't have a future person. That doesn't make any sense.

[Tim Pool]

The unborn in the womb are future persons. From a technical. I think they die.

[Ian Crossland]

You never know, like, well, person. When they're a person.

[Tim Pool]

Right. And that's always.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, you can't protect.

[Tim Pool]

This is. This is actually the issue needs to be adjudicated in the 14th Amendment amendment, which I've pulled up time and time again. And my belief is that abortion will be abolished because of, because of the 14th amendment.

[Ian Crossland]

I think it will too. But that's because they're going to put neural nets in the infants in the womb and be like, oh, my God, they're smarter than I am.

[Tim Pool]

Let me just read. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and to the state wherein they reside. Period. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States. Semicolon. Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law, nor denied any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Now, hold on. Read the first sentence for me, Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

[Tim Pool]

So what they've stated is that citizen is a word that means person who has been born or naturalized in the United States. Rights.

[Ian Crossland]

And was subject to the jurisdiction at the time.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. That would imply that persons are persons before being born.

[Ian Crossland]

All persons born so able to be born. You must have been a person to be born because you become a person once you're.

[Tim Pool]

Because here's the argument. You could theoretically argue that they're saying a person is a human being. And if you are a human being who was born or naturalized in subject jurisdiction thereof, you also qualify as a citizen. Well, then if that's the argument you could take, like maybe they will. I would also argue it's saying a person who is born implies you were a person before you were born. But that's neither here nor there. Take it if you want. It says, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property. The argument then becomes exactly what I just said. When do you become a person? It doesn't say in the 14th amendment. You become a Person upon birth. If that birth is in the United States, you are a citizen. It says persons born. It also says you can't deprive a person of life, liberty, or property. The question the Supreme Court needs to answer is, when does someone become a person?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I think they're going to say that they become a part because of this.

[Tim Pool]

This is why the ACLU said future persons, because they were trying to avoid this. I think they can't, though, and I think they know it. Yeah, that's crazy, because they said future person in their class, not unborn persons, because they knew what that would mean. The problem is, so long as future persons have legal standing as a class to be represented to seek injunctive relief, anyone should be able to sue on behalf of a class, the unborn seeking injunctive relief against their own termination. Now, the problem here is if they say no, the baby can be terminated. The argument is, why can't future persons be granted injunctive relief on something that has not yet happened in one instance, but not the other? I think the ACLU has walked themselves into a. Into a pit trap. Yep.

[Nick Sorter]

I'd love to see it.

[Phil Labonte]

You'd love to see it?

[Nick Sorter]

Screw the aclu.

[Phil Labonte]

So the. I don't know if you guys know, but the US Attorney Bill essay, he's the la. Yeah, the official attorney for the Central District of California. He just tweeted the federal agents are executing a search warrant at this marijuana farm. Agents have already arrested multiple individuals for impeding this operation, will continue to make arrests. Don't interfere. You'll be arrested and charged with federal offenses. So, like, this isn't just. Isn't just about illegals. This is about a search warrant on the marijuana farm because they believe that it's tied to cartels.

[Ian Crossland]

So that's where that shooting happened.

[Tim Pool]

We got to do one more segment. We got to do one more segment. Ladies and gentlemen. Oh, look. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, we went and saw Superman. Check it out from the Hollywood Reporter. Superman Review. James Gunn gives DC Studios crown jewel a gleaming polish with help from David Corn Sweat and Rachel Brosnahan. So the big story was that it was woke. The director had made comments about immigration. Sean Gunn, his brother, had made comments about people who spread hate. And the immediate assumption for many people was, I was gonna be woke. Another story is Superman. You say, truth, justice, and the American way. And now he says, truth, truth, justice, and the human way. When we went and saw the movie, and I will tell you this, it is not woke. It's not political. There's only one political comment in it. And it was a joke. Mocking. It wasn't really mocking anybody. It was just an overt general statement that didn't direct anything towards anybody. I will get into spoilers in a little bit, but I'll give you guys a heads up so we can talk a little bit about it right now and address the political stuff. It was not about immigration. It was not political in any way. There from the trailers you can see. So this is not a spoiler. You know, Superman's basically like he stops a war between two nations. That's technically as political as it gets. The motivations of the villain have nothing to do with wokeness Marxism critical theory. It is classic Lex Luthor vs Superman. I thought the movie was pretty good. However, I will say this, and this is kind of a spoiler, but it's kind of not. Guys, the interdimensional monkeys is true.

[Ian Crossland]

I knew that. I knew it.

[Tim Pool]

So a while ago there was a leak that in the movie they were. They were interdimensional monkeys that were spamming Twitter, insulting Superman to make him angry. And I thought someone made that up to mock James Gunn Superman by throwing some stupid idea out there. Indeed it is in the movie. And the beginning of the movie was. Was okay. And I was. I was like, I don't know how I feel about this. C minus. Maybe now it's a D plot us. And then the moment I saw the monkeys F, I was. I was almost ready to walk out of the theater, but I rolled my eyes and I went, oh my God. Literally. Lex Luthor has an army of interdimensional monkeys that are. That are insulting Superman on Twitter.

[Ian Crossland]

Interdimensional how?

[Tim Pool]

We'll get to that a little bit because I don't want to give spoilers, but they are interdimensional monkeys. They're. They're normal earth monkeys in an interdimensional plane. There you go.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, cool.

[Tim Pool]

Spoiler. So what I will say is, after this, I was flatlining. Like, if there's like a meter showing, like how much do I like the movie? In the beginning it was. It was the. The intro showing off Lex Luthor's abilities spiked way up to the top. I was like, yes. Because what I love in superhero movies is humans who are better than superheroes. That's why I like Batman. That's why I like Iron Man. That's why I like Doctor Strange human. Regular humans who acquire their ability through hard work, like Dr. Strange studies Iron Man. Invented things. Mr. Terrific invented things. I love that. So Beginning was like really good. And then it slowed down. I was getting bored and I was like, it's okay, I guess it's whatever. I'm not really. And then the monkeys thing happened and I was like, I will walk out, I swear to God. Stuck around a little bit. And it improved so dramatically, in my opinion, that I gave the film an 8 out of 10. And I probably would have given it a 10 out of 10 if they didn't do the Monkees thing. And the big. And the beginning was a little bit stronger.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, movies, music, they tend to take the.

[Tim Pool]

The shape of.

[Ian Crossland]

If the beginning and the end are awesome, it's really. The middle is not too important. It's how you feel when it starts and how you feel when it's over. The most important. Well, generally, if it starts strong and ends strong, you have a relative success.

[Tim Pool]

Let's get into some spoilers now. I will stress the whole movie's already been spoiled because a few days ago, before the movie came out, a review was leaked that basically laid out the entirety of the plot. Some people have tried making claims. There's an Israel Palestine references it. There is not. The. The two nations that Superman stops from going to war is a. Is a wealthier Eastern European nation and a poorer tribal South Asian nation like India or Pakistan. There's there. I think they intentionally avoided getting like. They were like let's not make it easy. I think they intentionally avoided. Avoided making it look like Ukraine and Russia or Israel Palestine. So it's random countries. The map where it shows the countries are is a nondescript close up. So you don't really know on the planet where it is. And they're made up. They're made up countries. The conflict is that Superman feels he has the authority to. To engage in global affairs. And the US government is like this is causing us problems. But we don't want to get. We don't. We don't want to intervene because Superman's largely good. And then basically the principal motivations of Lex Luthor is. Is actually. I would argue this. It actually kind of digs at communists and wokeness. If you really want to find a political message. Lex Luthor's motivation is that he is jealous. This is literally the plot. Superman has done nothing to earn his powers. He is naturally gifted. And that's an affront to what it means to be someone who works so hard. And so these leftists who are upset at people who are naturally beautiful or white Privilege. You were. You never earned that. You didn't make It. It was done for you. You is basically the motivations of the villain. I still wouldn't call it woke like. Like political in any way. But if you really wanted to squeeze it in there, it sounds like they.

[Ian Crossland]

Attempted to depoliticize it so extremely that they took truth justice in the American way out of it and they replaced it with the human way. Like they deep.

[Tim Pool]

They don't say that. I'm. I'm fairly certain never in the movie was that ever brought up.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, really? Okay.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, that was what Dean Cain tweeted about earlier. That's what he was complaining about.

[Tim Pool]

I don't remember anywhere in the movie that.

[Ian Crossland]

That being said, he was American propaganda. Superman was American propaganda beginning in the 30s and 40s. He would fight Red Skull, beat up Nazis, you know all about America. It was a big, big American.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The. If anything, you can argue there's. I like, I think they did a pretty good job avoiding the pitfalls. So. Okay, we'll get a little heavier into the spoilers just for you guys. So, you know, super. A war is about to break out. Superman stops the war from happening, causing an international incident. The Eastern European nation is. Is aligned with the US US Corporations sell weapons to them. They're pissed. And the poorer nation is actually kind of a backwards bad country. And there's anger at Superman because he didn't like why you don't have the authority to go around and just do whatever you want. Lois Lane criticizes him. This is actually in the trailer. She's like, did you consider what the. What the. What was going to happen if you did this? And Superman is being criticized because there's negative repercussions after the fact that, that there's a reason why the US doesn't just intervene wherever they want whenever they want, despite the fact they tend to. And Superman's unilateral actions can result in collateral damage after the fact and other conflicts.

[Ian Crossland]

Did the military industrial complex complain about all their profit losses towards Superman and build a kryptonite weapon?

[Tim Pool]

Okay, ready for heavy. More spoilers.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, I guess.

[Tim Pool]

So Lex Luthor was selling weapons to the Eastern European nation. And when Superman stopped the conflict, that put at risk Lex Luthor's $80 billion contract.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, this plot line is completely good.

[Tim Pool]

There's more to the plot than that. But in the early on, when they're trying, when they're like, why is Lex Luthor doing what he's doing? Basically, Lex has an army of monkeys because he's antagonizing Superman. So he's Lex Luthor.

[Ian Crossland]

The army of monkeys thing. If it had been AI. If it had been an army of AI robots or just like a supercomputer doing it, would it have not been cheap? Was it just that they were monkeys?

[Tim Pool]

The reason why James Gunn had interdimensional monkeys typing on Twitter was because he was intentionally insulting the people who got him killed. Canceled. Which is Mike Cernovich. He's calling Mike a monkey.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that's awesome.

[Tim Pool]

In a movie. I know if I was Mike, I'd be laughing. So, so basically, Lex Luthor is talking to Superman. And then he's like. He's like. And. And here are my. Here's my network of monkeys. And then you see these computers hanging from racks with monkeys, and it actually shows the monkeys typing.

[Ian Crossland]

There's this.

[Tim Pool]

And they're. They're typing things like, who could. Who could support Superman at this point? He's bad. The only reason I was in the film, because it's unrelated to literally anything in the plot, was that James Gunn wanted to say, the people who are posting nonsense, hate on Twitter are monkeys.

[Ian Crossland]

And there's that old adage of if you put a million monkeys in a room for a million hours, they. They would write Shakespeare, sure.

[Tim Pool]

But he had hardwired the brains of the monkeys to be able to type smart things and insult.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, he smartened the monkeys.

[Tim Pool]

They were wearing, like, helmets or something.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, Lex Luthor.

[Tim Pool]

And I was gonna walk out. I was like, james. No, no, I like James Gunn's movies. Okay, okay. Guardians is awesome. Suicide Squad was good. And I had. I had. Look, I had read all the stuff saying it was going to be woken about immigration, and I was like, I don't know if I believe it. Then Shane Shaw, Shawn Gunn, was it. Sean Gunn said some stupid comments that were sounding political. James Gunn, what Brett was saying, and I could be wrong. I have to ask Brett later, but I'm pretty sure he was saying they were. The. The person who interviewed James Gunn took his comments out of context to try and make it political. And I think there's a lot of people trying to make the movie political because, I don't know. Online zeitgeist. Hate on the movie. And it was good. I thought it was. I thought it was great.

[Ian Crossland]

I guess Superman was political when they built him in the 30s, but it doesn't mean he always has to be political.

[Tim Pool]

Mr. Terrific saved the movie. Okay. I was so excited. I love the character Mr. Terrific. For those that aren't familiar, he's a child prodigy who becomes a billionaire There he becomes depressed after losing his family in an accident and then is convinced by some other superheroes to use his wealth and technology and resources to be a superhero himself. And he's got these things called T spheres. So he basically walks around and he has drones that he uses to, like, project energy force fields. He can, like, lift himself in the air. He flies with them.

[Ian Crossland]

Does it help him move faster, like manual dexterity and stuff?

[Phil Labonte]

No, that'd be cool.

[Tim Pool]

They hack stuff, and he can see what they see in the cameras. So technically, in the comics, like, the spheres can do whatever plot device.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I've been playing a lot of Rimworld, and there's this technomancer class where he's got this. This ball that follows him around.

[Tim Pool]

I think the act. I think that the acting may have been a little dry, but the character is fantastic. And after the Monkees thing happened, and I was so pissed off, they gave us a Mr. Terrific fight scene that was awesome.

[Ian Crossland]

Did he fight the monkeys?

[Tim Pool]

He did not. But it was so cool to see Mr. Terrific using his. His technology, taking on a bunch of bad guys. And then I was like, okay, I'm reinvested in this movie now. And then it gradually improved from there. Metamorpho was really cool. I thought the Metamorpho fight scene was. Was. Was really great. And the actor who played him nailed this. This character. I. I love it. Spoilers. Okay, we're in spoilers. There's bad guys. Not a heavy spoiler, but Metamorpho is surrounded by bad guys, and they're like, freeze. And then his skin, his. His body turns to green bubbles, and they go, what, are you gonna splash us? And he's like, yes, with sulfuric acid. And then sprays them on.

[Ian Crossland]

They're like.

[Tim Pool]

Or it was like hydrochloric acid or something. Like, it was. It was great how they did Metamorpho. I thought it was.

[Ian Crossland]

I thought it was kind of like a tepid nerd metamorphos personality.

[Tim Pool]

The character was pretty, like. Like shy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, like that. That's kind of Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow. It was. I love that. He's like one of my favorite actors.

[Tim Pool]

Timid. Timid.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Well, maybe they. Somebody fan fiction. Someone should AI create a scene where Superman goes into the monkey room and just heat raise all of them. Blast them there.

[Tim Pool]

Is there. There's one point someone brought up that I will address too. A. A major negative for the film that I knew the moment they did it, they couldn't correct it, and they damaged the Lore miserably. And I'm pissed about but it so we as slain Hope says they made Superman's real parents into space Nazis. What? So what happens is this is politically relevant. So I, I, I know it's a big spoiler, but it's politically relevant. Relevant. In the beginning, they don't give you an origin story for Superman. They give you a scene where he's recovering and there's a robot being trained via, like, programming. So they're explaining to the robot, which is basically you, the audience. So they're like, superman likes to hear the message from his parents. It soothes him. And it's his parents. I think it was Bradley Cooper, by the way, which is awesome.

[Ian Crossland]

Jor El.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, the problem is they ruin the character. But anyway, the message is, we love you so much more than anything. We found a planet Earth. We're sending you there. You can do the most good, be a strong man and bring the truth of Krypton. And then the message is damaged and he's like, I don't know what the rest of the message is, but I will try to live up to that, that message to be good and to bring the truth of Krypton. So he becomes a superhero. Lex Luthor breaks in and his, his cybernetic, you know, henchmen, she's got nanobots, breaks into the mainframe and it was able to download the message. And by downloading, it recovers the corrupted data in which they go on to say, take as many wives as you can. Have as many babies as possible. The humans are weak and, and, and stupid. And you can control them and enslave them and blah, blah, blah. And then, ha, you know, and then, and then the wives, like, the, the mom is like, take as many wives as you can and have many babies so that they will grow up with your DNA and bring the strength of Krypton, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, okay, that, that's ultra cringe. It wasn't overtly political, but it is not true to the characters. And it is, it is insulting to what they could have done with Jor El. So I was, I was not a fan of that Jor El.

[Ian Crossland]

He was like a capitalist. He was like a rich guy on Krypton. He had wealth because he could obviously send his son on a spaceship.

[Tim Pool]

They all kind of did. It was a highly advanced civilization because he was a scientist.

[Ian Crossland]

None of them had superpowers on. It was only Earth's yellow sun that gives those humans power, those people power.

[Tim Pool]

So they were under a Red sun. And he was a scientist.

[Ian Crossland]

Jor El is a scientist.

[Tim Pool]

And so then he knew the planet. He predicted the planet was going to be destroyed, but they didn't listen, so he sent his son off. And then they've evolved that story quite dramatically. They introduced Supergirl only briefly at the end. And it's that actress. I can't remember her name, but people will probably be excited to see her as Supergirl Girl. Okay, I, I'll just say this. That was really, really bad. It wasn't. I, I, it wasn't political. They're not space Nazis. They're just. The motivation of, of Superman's parents is to reap, to repopulate. Oh, Kryptonians, okay? And so they're like, take a hairman. As many wives as you can have, many children.

[Ian Crossland]

You gotta understand, that means he could have like 700, 000 women.

[Tim Pool]

It is. I, I gotta say, though, probably 100 million women. I, I, as much as this, that, that is cringe. The scene where Guy Gardner walks up to Superman and he's like, how many wives do you have, man? It's like, Nathan Filling was amazing, and it was really funny. He was like, hey, is that true? How many wives do you got? And Superman's like, I don't have a bunch of wives. Because Lex Luthor was trying to destroy his reputation.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh. But no one said deep fake. No one's like, nah, it's a deep fake. My parents never would have said that.

[Tim Pool]

There were a few poorly written lines, which is Mr. Terrific goes, I know these guys. Guys, I know. He's like, I know these, these digital friends that guys, it's a real message. And I'm like, no, no, come on. You could have read that better. You could have had them say maybe it was fake. And they should have said it was fake. And then they could have recovered the character arc of, of Superman's parents.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There's another scene where Trump is covered. I'm Trump. Look at my brain. Superman. Well, you know, it's a Freudian slip. I envision the man, Superman, is encased in nanites, and he's about to crash into the Earth. And Lex Luthor goes, unsheathe. He's the only one armored. And I'm like, are you the only one being protected? Or something like that? And I'm like, yo, that, that line was a little heavy.

[Ian Crossland]

What is he talking unsheathed? What does he mean?

[Tim Pool]

The lady covers him in nanites. So then Superman flies towards the Earth to crash, and then Lex Luthor YELLS unsheathe. He's the only one being protected. Like he needed to tell the audience what it meant and why this matters. A little overt the point. The point was that because he was covered as he crashes into Earth, he was being shielded by her attack on him.

[Ian Crossland]

He had to tell the world.

[Tim Pool]

Explained to the woman, but really to the audience, he didn't need to do that. It could have been written much, much better. But anyway, we, we do, we got to go to your, your chats and all that. But I will just say I think James Gunn might actually save the DC Cinematic Universe. It was, it was great. It was really well done. And I'm mostly excited that they did not pander any stupid political ways. Superman is a white guy who, the arguments were, were like higher level politics on when you can invade and when you can't invade. Nothing about being a white man, nothing about money, nothing about being a billionaire. None of that weird, stupid garbage the left is trying to inject in it. Literally. Not a thing about immigration. Never. The closest thing they got to immigration was Lex Luthor being like, you're just an alien. And then Superman says, no, I'm just a person. I wake up the same as you. That's what you don't understand. And I'm like, that's fine. He didn't say, you're an immigrant to my country and my planet and you're ruining us. He like, the immigration was never an issue.

[Nick Sorter]

So, so do you think that, do you think that came about because of the backlash and the, well, not, not even just backlash, but the financial, just catastrophe that Snow White was for, for Disney? Yeah, I mean, okay, you know, because, because that was, that was fairly recent. So I'm not sure how long this movie took to produce and make and, and come out, but okay, we got.

[Tim Pool]

To grab some rem. So I'm trying to go quick. I, I, I, we had to put that in there. But anyway, smash the like button. Share the show. Head over to rumble.com timcast irl for the uncensored portion of the show. Coming up at 10. Let me try and grab as much as I can because I got it. We got a good one here. Seven Legion Studio says hold on. The message from Jor El makes the immigration message really based. The immigrant was sent to overthrow the local government and outbreed the local population. Yes, I was thinking exactly that, that I, that that this is why I didn't like how they, they basically muddied Jor El. But I was thinking this when I, when We were leaving. Lex Luthor's motivation is you never. He's like Galileo and Einstein and these individuals and they actually. He was like as. I think he said something like as. As. As dim as they actually were. They actually did something. They contributed something and they earned it to have their names remembered. Remembered. You did nothing just by being an alien and being here. Everyone says your name and I'm like, that is communist right there. The ethos of these Marxists is you were born to wealth and privilege. You don't deserve it, you shouldn't have it. And I will take it from you. But not really in that Lex Luthor like is a billionaire who built up. So it's not. It doesn't really play that. That way. But then I'm like Jor El telling his child the people of the country are of the planet are dumb and to outbreed them, to rule over them and take as many wives as you can. I'm like, if that's the message of immigration James Gunn was sending to people. Yikes.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's a little.

[Tim Pool]

Immigrants are coming to take over your country by outbreeding.

[Phil Labonte]

You didn't realize he was so right wing.

[Tim Pool]

I. I gotta be honest though. Nathan Fillion was amazing. And the. The. The interaction about Superman having harems was. Was really funny. Having harem. Lois Lane's like. I never believed it. It was good. Anyway, here we go. AEI owned you, says Tim. One theory I have not seen. Bongino may be serious death threat pliable Thinking ahead. Lull these Fs into a false sense of security. Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed. I don't. I don't think so. The. The false sense of security stuff. I don't. When Prince Andrew had his chart, the investigation dropped sound slide like someone with weight told them what to do. And apparently it was a leaked memo. Another leaked memo. The Prince thing. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I. The more information comes out, the better. The happier I am. More that happier the more information that comes out because then they can actually do something. Like the more information that comes out about like Epstein. Yeah, about Epstein.

[Tim Pool]

Like the more you. The more we learn about how. Letting them go. How me?

[Phil Labonte]

No, not at all.

[Tim Pool]

St. Miles says FYI the ride at Kent. The riders were also using slingshots to throw those rocks at the National Guard.

[Ian Crossland]

Just thinking about that. I was thinking about at what point because they were like throwing rocks is a rough but it's not horror. But then like what about slings? You know, you can kill someone with a sling well, they were throwing rocks.

[Nick Sorter]

Through the windshield of. Of. Of. Of ice Suburbans at one point. I mean, if that rock would have gone through the windshield and actually hit one of the ice agents in the head, I mean, that. That's the definition of deadly force. I mean, at that speed, throwing a.

[Tim Pool]

Huge boulder through the window, Melendez is. Are you kidding me? 90s, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, Fair Point. But I would say you also the LA riots. So there was tumult. There was tumult, but I think it was the control of information as to why we feel this way, in that every time you turn on the tv, the narrative was. Was. Was controlled and you felt stable. It just felt more stable. I will say that even with those things today, every day it's something new. It's like there's no escape from it. That's why Rudyard was saying, get off the Internet and go hide.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

Oh.

[Ian Crossland]

What you were saying is like, I can't. I don't want to not pay it. You have to pay attention. I think what it is that you need to feed back into the system, it is good to get away from the input and like, just blockade the negativity so that you can grow and become healthy and then put into the data like you want to give. And I think video is the best way to do that. Text, just as a wall of scratching, but video, you hear the tone, you see the eyeballs. So feedback.

[Tim Pool]

There was yourself. There was a super chat on. On YouTube that said it like, they liked Ian. And it just disappeared, literally, as I was about to read it.

[Ian Crossland]

It must have been a lie.

[Tim Pool]

They said every so often, Ian says something I wholeheartedly agree with, and then it just vanished.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, YouTube was like, too much too soon.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, delete that. But I appreciate it.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Quantum strange cork says, please get Doug Tenapault 10 naple on the show. Show. He's an animator, video game designer, and Christian conservative. YouTube deleted his channels a few years ago after Media matters attacked and. And they recently restored them and apologized. Whoa. Amazing.

[Ian Crossland]

What is his name? Doug what? Tanner.

[Tim Pool]

10Naple. So it's T, N and then capital N, A, P, E, L. Big cheese has watching Superman. And I feel like I am watching the cartoon from when I was a kid in the 90s. It's awesome watching it now with my son. Guys, I'm telling you, it's the. Like, to be fair, the script is a little cluttered. You know, I don't know that I. I think someone's telling me, like, Nerd Roddick said, one thing happens, then one thing happens. And then one thing happens. And I'm like, well, I wouldn't say it like that. Like, you can follow along why the things are happening. I did not like the intro at all. Well, I should say this. The very, very beginning, I was. So I'm in the theater and I'm like, I just finished dinner. I better run to the bathroom right now. It's going to start any minute. And so I run to the bathroom and I'm thinking, I gotta be there for the opening scene. The opening scene is going to be everything. And I was very disappointed. The opening scene was just landscape with text. And I went, oh, come on. The opening scene should have been of Superman. It wasn't.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, like him.

[Tim Pool]

It was. It was. It was text backstory for the recent plot. So it was like Superman stopped a war. This has led to some, you know, tumult. And then Superman. It's from the trailer. He slams into the ground.

[Ian Crossland]

I wonder if they talked about that. And they're like, we should do. Because they could have. They would have had to hire a young actor to play young Superman if they wanted to show him doing that stuff growing up. Maybe that's a big.

[Tim Pool]

I think they shouldn't do that because everyone tries to do some kind of origin. We don't. We don't need that. What I will say is Lex Luthor was what. I wish Lex Luthor had a little bit more testosterone. Nicholas Holt is a great actor. He's not as weaselly as Jesse Eisenberg's Luther, but he is still kind of a. He had more anger and more force within him, but he still isn't enough tea. Like, I like the Superman cartoon Lex Luthor, where he's tall, fit, and has a deep voice. Like, he's an imposing figure.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he's the president. He's got to be.

[Tim Pool]

He becomes. But I also really love that Justice League line when he was running for president. And the question confronts him and he's like, what's your plan, Luthor? And he's. And he's like, why do you want to be president? And he goes, do you have any idea how much power I would have to give up to be the president? And it was a great. His plights, like, I don't want to be the president. He was doing something else.

[Ian Crossland]

Dan Bongino, man. How much he gave up to be that.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

Love you, Dan, but the Lex Luthor. That's not what I'm saying, by the way. I Love you.

[Tim Pool]

So I. I guess we're in spoiler territory. I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

Some Superman spoiler.

[Tim Pool]

Lex. Lex Luther is able to. Superman gets defeated. That's that scene in the trailer because Lex Luther is coordinating the attacks against him. And it's. I thought it was amazing. I love the writing. Lex doesn't have the strength to beat Superman but utilizing tools that he has to fight Superman with strength but his mind behind it to control the fight. Fight. He beat Superman because he's smarter. So it's like that was a great contrast to what Superman was versus Lex Luthor and why Lex Luthor is such a great villain. He's an industrialist, super intelligent man. And Superman is this physically strong demigod. And Lex Luthor is able to feed him by his intelligence and like the legal system manipulating him.

[Ian Crossland]

The power of capitalism just.

[Tim Pool]

But just the psych. This psychology. Lex is so smart part. He's. He can. He stands right up in front of Superman's face when Superman's super angry and he has no fear because he knows what makes. What motivates Superman and Superman's limitations. He knows man won't hurt him and can't. So he. So Lex can do whatever he wants.

[Ian Crossland]

Does he want to kill Superman in the comic books?

[Tim Pool]

That is the. That is the principal goal of Lex Luthor. So you know.

[Ian Crossland]

But in the movie, in the movie. I mean, I don't. It's not even that important.

[Tim Pool]

I guess it's not really a spoiler. Like the movie is literally. That's why I'm saying it's not political. The movie is literally. Lex Luthor's like I must kill super. He doesn't say it like that. There's. There, there It's. It's well written. His motivations and his anger. And there's a scene where Superman says he. He literally says. He's. He's like everything about you, Lex, it's envy. And then Lex yells. He's like, do you think I'm dim? I know I'm driven by envy. That's exactly what this is about. I thought that was amazing. He's self aware, heavily highly emotional and will tell you to your face like Lex is introspective and angry. I thought it was fantastic.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, there's a type of evil, the ignorant evil where they think they're doing good. Then there's the malicious evil where they know they're doing evil.

[Tim Pool]

Let's read one more super chat from Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Says I'm a bad person. I lulled when the when Lex's interview of the street vendor ended sooner than expected. So unexpected. I like the movie, but the message from his parents really hurts the movie, like a lot. Yeah, but let's just say there's a scene where, where a street vendor is being, let's just say, interviewed by Lex Luthor while Superman is incapacitated. And it ends rather abruptly because Lexus, Lex Luthor is a villain and you should not be laughing. But Raymond was laughing. Anybody who seems the movie, they're going, oh, geez. It's still kind of funny. All right, my friends, we're gonna go to the uncensored portion of the show. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. It's gonna [e-mail] timcastirl. Don't miss it. You can follow me on X and Instagram Timcast. Nick, do you want to shout anything out?

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, absolutely. Just everybody. Just don't forget about the people down there. In Texas, this happens every single time there's a natural disaster. These people end up being abandoned. And once they're abandoned, the government has no incentive to actually get these people back up on their feet or at least help to do so. So, you know, if you're praying person, person, say a prayer for them tonight and that, you know, everybody down there definitely appreciates their support.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not gonna ride your jock too much, bro, but you went down to Texas like day one and, and I mean you were like a hero with the, with the getting the starlink for the peep the people in rescue your work. I mean if you haven't followed Nick Sorter yet, the last. Watching you bloom over the last couple years has been really. Thanks.

[Nick Sorter]

I appreciate that man, a lot. It really does.

[Ian Crossland]

It's non stop, bro. It's. It's really, really great. Anyway, anyway, thanks a lot Nick for coming and check Nick out on Twitter for sure. I'm Ian Crossland, so follow me out wherever you want and that's. I'll see you later.

[Phil Labonte]

I am on Twix at Phil that remains. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify and Deezer. And don't forget the left lane is for cry.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out. Hi, I'm Chris Gethard and I'm very excited to tell you about Beautiful Anonymous, a podcast where I talk to random people on the phone. I tweet out a phone number. Thousands of people try to call, talk to one of them. They stay anonymous. I can't hang up. That's all the rules. I never know what's gonna happen. We get serious ones. I've talked with meth dealers on their way to prison. I've talked to people who survived mass shootings. Crazy, funny ones. I talked to a guy with a goose laugh. Somebody who dresses up as a pirate on the weekends. I never know what's gonna happen. It's a great show. Subscribe today.

[Phil Labonte]

Beautiful.

[Tim Pool]

Anonymous.