Leftist Journo THREATS Spark PANIC After UnitedHealth ASSASSINATION w/Amber Duke

Summary

Timcast IRL: Leftist Journo THREATS Spark PANIC After UnitedHealth ASSASSINATION w/ Amber Duke

Release Date: December 6, 2024

Overview

In this intense episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool delves into the alarming aftermath of the assassination of Brian Thompson, CEO of UnitedHealth, exploring the potential ideological motivations behind the act. Joined by guest Amber Duke, Washington Editor for The Spectator, and regular contributors Shane Cashman and Phil Labonte, the discussion navigates through the dangerous rhetoric from leftist journalists, the implications for corporate policies, and broader societal concerns including securities fraud and the state of political parties.

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1. Assassination of UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson

[00:04] Tim Pool Tim opens the discussion by reporting the assassination of Brian Thompson, CEO of UnitedHealth, suggesting it may be ideologically driven. He highlights a cryptic message found on one of the bullets: "Depose, Deny, Defend," referencing a book critical of insurance companies. Tim connects this to Taylor Lorenz, a former corporate journalist, whose social media posts seemingly advocated for such outcomes against health industry executives.

Notable Quote:

"Leftists are engaging in what I would describe as terrorism on the Internet after a guy was murdered. And they're celebrating it." — Tim Pool [00:04]

[03:52] Amber Duke Amber introduces herself and her credentials, setting the stage for a robust discussion on the intersection of journalism and activism.

2. Taylor Lorenz's Role and Responsibility

[04:04] Tim Pool Tim critiques Taylor Lorenz for her seemingly inciting remarks following Thompson's assassination. He argues that her backtracking coinciding with the CEO's death reveals a troubling pattern of leftist journalism where threats may translate into real-world violence.

Notable Quotes:

"It's kind of a shocking revelation to say the least. Leftists are engaging in what I would describe as terrorism on the Internet after a guy was murdered." — Tim Pool [00:04]

"I think Taylor Lorenz should face some kind of criminal or civil penalty for doing this." — Amber Duke [09:17]

[16:00] Amber Duke Amber vehemently supports legal consequences for Lorenz, condemning her actions as incitement to violence and drawing parallels to other instances where rhetoric has led to tangible harm.

[16:07] Amber Duke Amber details Lorenz's defense, highlighting her claims that her statements represented collective public sentiment rather than personal intent, which she finds unacceptable.

3. Security Threats and Corporate Repercussions

[07:37] Phil Labonte Phil labels the situation as outright terrorism, emphasizing the broader security risks posed by such threats to corporate executives and the general public.

[07:57] Tim Pool Tim shares a personal anecdote about a security incident in Nashville, illustrating the pervasive fear and real impact these threats have on individuals' ability to function normally.

Notable Quote:

"The threats from these far leftists cannot be tolerated." — Tim Pool [07:57]

4. UnitedHealth's Policy Reversal and Its Implications

[04:52] Tim Pool Tim discusses Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield's reversal of a controversial anesthesia payment policy following widespread backlash, potentially influenced by the assassination and related threats.

[09:18] Tim Pool He questions the validity of attributing the policy reversal solely to Lorenz's influence without acknowledging legitimate concerns about insurance practices.

[10:49] Shane Cashman Shane highlights the complexity of the situation, noting Brian Thompson's personal and professional issues, which complicate the narrative of ideological motivation.

5. Additional Stories and Broader Discussions

Hawk TUA Securities Fraud

[03:52] Tim Pool Tim briefly mentions Hawk TUA being accused of a pump-and-dump securities fraud scheme, noting the increasing mainstream coverage and legal actions.

David Hogg and the DNC

[35:28] Phil Labonte The conversation shifts to David Hogg's consideration of running for DNC Vice Chair, sparking debate about the current state and future direction of the Democratic Party.

Notable Quotes:

"I would like to see the Democrat Party move away from the progressive end." — Phil Labonte [50:26]

6. AI's Impact on Media and Music Industry

[85:27] Tim Pool Tim explores the transformative role of Artificial Intelligence in the music and media industries, discussing both its potential and pitfalls.

[98:05] Phil Labonte Phil emphasizes the importance of storytelling in music, arguing that AI cannot replicate the authentic human experiences that resonate with audiences.

Notable Quotes:

"AI is going to take them all. Analyze how long someone listens to one part of the song. It doesn't just know what song you like." — Tim Pool [96:00]

"If you're going to be a musician or if you want to be a musician, like you need to tell stories, you need to have more than just the music." — Phil Labonte [98:02]

7. Media Integrity and Misinformation

BuzzFeed's Reporting Issues

[82:45] Tim Pool Tim criticizes BuzzFeed for inaccurate reporting, recounting a personal encounter where he challenged a fabricated story about a man killed over a chicken sandwich.

Notable Quote:

"They just wanted the story. It was shocking, it was funny to them, and they did not care." — Tim Pool [82:56]

[89:33] Phil Labonte Phil concurs, highlighting the problematic nature of sensationalist journalism that prioritizes clicks over truth.

8. Listener Interaction and Super Chats

Throughout the episode, listeners contribute via super chats, providing additional perspectives and questions. Tim addresses several in real-time, further enriching the conversation with community insights.

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Conclusions and Takeaways

• Dangerous Rhetoric: The episode underscores the perilous impact of inflammatory language from influential leftist journalists, potentially inciting real-world violence and corporate instability.

• Corporate and Security Implications: Tim and his guests emphasize the need for robust security measures and legal accountability to prevent such threats from undermining corporate operations and public safety.

• Political Party Dynamics: Discussions highlight the fractures within the Democratic Party, questioning its ability to adapt and appeal to a broader electorate amidst internal strife and external pressures.

• AI's Dual-Edged Sword: While recognizing AI's advancements, the conversation warns of its potential to disrupt creative industries and amplify misinformation if left unchecked.

• Media Responsibility: The critique of media outlets like BuzzFeed calls for greater journalistic integrity and accountability to restore public trust.

Final Thoughts

Tim Pool and his panel present a critical examination of the intersection between leftist activism, corporate policy, and media influence, advocating for responsible discourse and strategic reforms to navigate the complexities of modern socio-political landscapes.

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This summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for listeners and those unable to attend the live broadcast.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Following the threats from many leftists, and most prominently a former corporate journalist and just all around strange person, Taylor Lorenz. Interestingly, the exact criticism that she posted of the exact company she was targeting has now backtracked following the assassination of the CEO of UnitedHealth. So to put it simply, the CEO of UnitedHealth has been assassinated. New information suggests this may be ideologically motivated. One of the bullets they found had a cryptic message written on it that hearkens to a book about how insurance companies are screwing people over. Taylor Lorenz then posted on social media how she and many others want more of this, then posted an explanation for why they did, and then posted an image and the name of the CEO of Blue Cross. And not, surprise, surprise, the very policy that was being critiqued has been reversed. It's kind of a shocking revelation to say the least. Leftists are engaging in what I would describe as terrorism on the Internet after a guy was murdered. And they're celebrating it. And it seems like these companies are very, very terrified. So we'll talk about that. Plus there's just a lot of stuff going on. We got a lot of stories. I know, guys, you're gonna, you're gonna cringe, but Hawk TUA is being accused of a pump and dump securities fraud scheme. TYP deal. We briefly talked about it yesterday, but it's erupting now with mainstream coverage and law firms advertising to people who have lost their money in this scheme. So we'll talk about that. And generally this, this assassination story is getting crazy because it does look like it might, might be ideologically motivated. And the police have released an image of someone they see is a person of interest, not the suspect. And everybody just immediately assumed that person of interest meant suspect. I imagine there's gonna be a lot of lawsuits and people are gonna get sued by this person for a lot of money. But we'll talk about all that before we get started, my friends. Head over to boonieshq.com and if you go to the boonies store, you can pick up a skateboard. Why would you? Well, we have a variety of amazing little images. And we have. This is Johnny Haynes, Pro Model Gay Frogs. It's a beautiful picture of two frogs that are deeply in love and both happen to be male drinking what looks like some kind of pesticide. Perhaps it's atrazine, I don't know. And there's a rainbow above them. And if you believe in love and would like to celebrate the love of these frogs, you can purchase Johnny Haynes Pro [e-mail] but also check out for those that are skateboarders or interested. Richie Jackson is now pro for Boonies hq and his new video part has been released on his website, richiejackson.com you can pick up his board. My friends, let me just say this is a man born of the Commonwealth and he has. He is so turned by the events of the culture war in this country, he had someone commission a painting of him as an American revolutionary soldier. So we got him. We got you, Richie. You're America MAGA now. So you can check that out. But also, of course, go to timcast.com, click join us. Become a member. We're going to have that beautiful Members Only segment for you tonight at 10pm where you as members get to call in. And this is the big deal right now, guys. If you become a member of Timcast.com for at least $25, you will receive an honorary verbal doctorate right now from me. The moment you do, you're accredited. Not literally, academically or any kind of legal way. I'm just saying I give you credit. Thank you. And you could put Dr. In front of your name because if you've got these people claiming that fictional smells are racist and that warrants them being called doctor, certainly being a member of timcast.com warrants much, much more. In fact, I gotta be honest, if you're a member of Timcast.com I think that's more evidence you are well educated compared to this person who claimed fictional smells are racist. But I appreciate her giving me the opportunity to do a sales pitch for my website. So smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Become a member. Like I said. Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Amber Duke.

[Amber Duke]

Hi. Thanks for having me back. I'm Amber Duke. I'm the Washington editor for the Spectator and the author of the Snowflakes Revolt. How Woke Millennials Hijacked American Media. I'm also a co host of the Hills Rising as well as Free Media at Reason tv.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Thanks for hanging out. Shane's here.

[Shane Cashman]

What's up? I love the Spectator. I am Shane Cashman. I'm the host of Inverted World Live every Sunday at 6:00. This Sunday, I have Joe Allen from the War Room to come on to talk about the incoming cyborg apocalypse and also have a rancher who has experienced cow mutilations calling in. So find us there. Sunday, 6:00. What's up, Phil?

[Phil Labonte]

How you doing? Cyborgs, huh?

[Shane Cashman]

They're coming. They're here already, but more of them are on the way.

[Phil Labonte]

Like robots and stuff like that.

[Tim Pool]

Cyborgs are different, making androids.

[Shane Cashman]

Elon is one, but yeah, cyborgs are.

[Phil Labonte]

A mix of people and a humanoid. Yeah, okay.

[Tim Pool]

Cybernetic organism.

[Shane Cashman]

Elon would say we actually are already cyborgs because of our technology.

[Phil Labonte]

It's possible. It's possible. I am Phil Labonte, the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. So let's talk about new stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the big story from the Daily Mail anthem. Blue Cross Blue Shield makes major U turn following the killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. All right, let's. There's a lot to break down to understand the severity of this story. So as you all know, the other day, early in the morning, we saw the CEO of the largest health insurer in the country get gunned down. 6:35, I think it was. And many people are saying it looks like it might have been a pro. New information has come out that a cryptic message was scrolled onto the casings of one of the rounds. In the video, you can see the guy is firing and then cycling the weapon and ejecting live rounds. And it does appear now I've watched a couple more of these expert gun guy videos. They said, no, it looks like it's malfunctioning. One of the, I believe it was one of the live rounds had a phrase scrawled on it and it said, depose, deny, defend, which is similar to delay, deny, defend, the name of a book about screwing, about how insurance companies are screwing people over. So it certainly seems like this is leaning more towards the ideological motivation. That being said, if this was just a hit, they'd want it to look like it was politically motivated to throw the scent off their trail. Now, what does that have to do with Blue Cross backtracking? This goes to Taylor Lorenz, a former Washington Post reporter. I mean, this is the corporate press here, which I don't work there anymore. And she made a series of posts on social media, one in which she, she referenced Blue Blue Cross. Specifically, this post said, blue Cross Blue Shield in Connecticut, New York and Missouri has declared it will no longer pay for anesthesia for the full length of some surgeries. If the procedure goes over a certain time, anesthesia will not be covered. And she responded that, I'm not going to read her quote. But she said that's why, that's why she and everyone else, she has said, we want these executives. If you know What? I mean, so she, she literally stated it. She then went on, I don't know if they actually have the full post. She then went on to actually post the image of the CEO of Blue Cross over another story asserting the same thing. That is to say, it looks like what. What could only look, these are veiled terroristic threats, to put it simply. And it worked. So I guess. Wow, that's shocking and terrifying. The Daily Mail says Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield has reversed a policy change that would have seen them tie payments in some states the length of a time a patient went under anesthesia. The insurance company was one of the largest health insurance companies in the country, backtracked on the move following widespread outcry. Or perhaps it was Taylor Lorenz saying that she wanted these people to die, making a long post about how many people want them to die, and then posting the image of the woman for everyone to see, while scores of leftists across social media are saying, more, more, more. Maybe it's just terrorism.

[Phil Labonte]

It's definitely terrorism. It sets a horrible, horrible precedent. Obviously, I get it. If, if, you know, people are concerned for their safety, that makes perfect sense. But there are a lot of security companies out there. There's a lot of people that are in the business of protecting people.

[Tim Pool]

But I was talking about this earlier. It doesn't matter. Security companies don't matter, right? So the issue with what they're doing with these threats, I'll explain it very simply. There was a security incident with me in Nashville. We were hanging out with John Rich on the show. I said, hey, let's go to your honky tonk and let's. Let's play a show. And he said, let's do it. And then we announced, like, it's going to be a big show. John Rich COUNTRY MUSIC STAR I'll be there. I play music, too. And someone showed up pretending to be security, asking about weird information. Whole thing got shut down. I said, screw these people. They're not gonna scare me. I'm not gonna be threatened out of doing a show. And I was told, tim, there are children walking down the street. If a crazy person shows up with a weapon and there's a crossfire, these kids could get hurt. We can't do it. You cannot do this. So when these people put out these threats to these CEOs, it's not so simple to just say the CEOs can get security, because that CEO means they can't go out to a picnic with their kids at the park. They can't. They can't go on a boat ride. They can't go on a cruise because one crazy person like this guy targeting the CEO. It was early in the morning, but what this is New York. What if there are crowds so they can have all security in the world and someone can show up and just unload into a crowd and then innocent people get hurt. The threats from these far leftists cannot be tolerated. I think, I think Taylor Lorenzo.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you guys, I mean, do you think Taylor Lorenz should, should face some kind of criminal or civil penalty for doing this?

[Amber Duke]

I think so. And I think it's insane that she worked at both the Washington Post and the New York Times before that and was heralded as basically the go to reporter for Internet Trends for at least five or six years. She was, remember, was the person who put Kellyanne Conway's daughter into the spotlight and used a child to advance her liberal activism. And now she has tucked tail away from the corporate media and blame them even though they're the ones who gave her a platform for, I guess, everything that's going wrong in politics. But it's absolutely disgusting. And we have seen the consequences of this type of rhetoric with what happened to Trump. Right. I mean it's a perfect analogy with the Butler rally which you're talking about, Tim, because there was someone who died in the crowd because of that shooter in Butler, Pennsylvania and there were other people there who were completely innocent, who had nothing to do with the president, who were injured. So these, these types of threats, this type of behavior is not just relegated to the person that they want to target in their crosshairs. And it's the exact same type of connection that they make too. Right. It's. Well, this person is somehow directly responsible for my life being crap and so I have to kill them in order to affect change rather than going through the normal democratic process. Or in this case, if you're talking about corporations boycotting or picketing or protesting or literally anything short of being physically violent.

[Shane Cashman]

I like that she exposes herself as being this bloodthirsty. I like seeing, I like seeing exactly how she feels because this is to me an extension of the summer of violence where they, their preferred language is violence and that's how they want to affect policy. I think it's horrible, despicable. I think she's a gross human being.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it's funny. I bet. Washington Post. And where did you work? Did you work at the Atlantic?

[Amber Duke]

I think that's right.

[Tim Pool]

Did you work at New York Times?

[Amber Duke]

It was Atlantic then New York Times, then Washington Post, I believe.

[Shane Cashman]

All the greatest.

[Amber Duke]

She's been everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I bet they regret hiring her.

[Shane Cashman]

Do you? I don't know. I think they like these people.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. Like the story at Washington Post was that the veteran journalists were freaking out that they hired some millennial. E. Writer.

[Shane Cashman]

Activist.

[Tim Pool]

Activist.

[Amber Duke]

She's even a millennial.

[Tim Pool]

That's true.

[Amber Duke]

We don't know her age.

[Shane Cashman]

True. That's why she wears.

[Tim Pool]

So we have this tweet.

[Phil Labonte]

Years old.

[Tim Pool]

Here's a tweet from Jarvis Best on X, who said, I love Taylor Lorenz so much because she spread. She spends half her time wishing death on her enemies and the other half complaining about online bullying.

[Amber Duke]

So true. Wow.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, it's, it's true. It's, it's typical of the left, though. I mean, you, you hear like, like you referenced the Summer of Love. The, the idea that by any means necessary, which Tim's talked about, that's an actual organization, you know, by any means necessary. The idea that you have a variety of tactics, I think is what they say, diversity of tactics, diversity of tactics. These are all things that are typical of the left. Violence is not actually something that comes from the right. Frequently, though it does happen. It's usually leftist violence. It's usually lower grade violence than right leaning violence. Right leaning violence is more about trying to actually cause damage, whereas leftist violence is frequently just trying to scare people and intimidate people, which they've effectively done.

[Shane Cashman]

To corporations, to politicians through the Summer of Love. And then to connect that to what Tim's saying about collateral damage, look at the no go zones that they were taking over. You know, kids were losing their lives. They were getting gunned down in these spots. Random people drove through and they were getting shot at.

[Tim Pool]

This is, this is tough for me because Taylor Lorenz didn't explicitly state on her page, hey, I want something to happen to this person.

[Shane Cashman]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

And so I think the interpretation is clear. And the question is, do we tolerate Taylor Lorenz saying, hey, she has like this, this long explanation about why these executives are bad and everyone agrees. She then says she wants them dead. And then she posts the picture of another CEO. I'm like, I don't know. I feel like she didn't explicitly state something that should happen and she's dancing on the line.

[Shane Cashman]

We can't set the precedent, I think, of arresting her or arresting her. You know, I think that's tough. It is tough. It's because it's gruesome, it's ghoulish.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe Maybe we have to consider the context around a CEO just got assassinated and then she did this. And that is where we say, hey, yeah, she is advocating for this. She wants it to happen.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, look, when you literally say, we want more of this and then post a photo, I think that's fair to argue. That's.

[Amber Duke]

That's a threat to me.

[Tim Pool]

Straight up. Yeah, that's a threat.

[Phil Labonte]

When you say we want more of this. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Then. Then I have to say, like, if.

[Shane Cashman]

Man, I guess Blue Cross feels the same way.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely.

[Shane Cashman]

They were like, this is a threat. We're going to reverse our policy.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, they're saying because of an outcry. But imagine you're the CEO and you're like, I mean, it was what just happened.

[Phil Labonte]

It was a crap policy to start, to be fair.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, these places need some major.

[Tim Pool]

But hold on. I mean, this is the challenge I have with it. We don't even know what the policy is other than some leftist said, here's my thoughts on it, and then advocated for murder.

[Amber Duke]

I wanted to bring this up because I'm sort of reaction. So when I hear everyone saying the same thing directionally about a policy, I'm like, okay, well, let's find out what the policy actually is. And I was looking at some community notes on X related to this. Shout out to community notes, by the way, amazing feature. But people were explaining that they were actually updating their standards for anesthesiology claims to the same standards that are employed by the CMS through Medicare and Medicaid. So they were actually going by the government's timelines for how long surgeries are supposed to last. And there's a cap on it for what Medicare and Medicaid will pay out based on those time limits and because of the level of insurance fraud that apparently they were facing from anesthesiologists, which is apparently pretty common. That's why they changed the policy. So, I mean, far be it from me to defend a giant insurance company, but it seems like we weren't really being told all of the details about what exactly they were doing and why.

[Shane Cashman]

And Taylor's just celebrating the death.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

We don't. There's so many reasons that UnitedHealth has issues. And we don't even know why he was killed. Right. Because there's a lot. He's got personal things going on. Estranged from the wife. The investigation for his wife. Yeah. Insider trading.

[Tim Pool]

He.

[Shane Cashman]

He sold off, what was it, like 31 of his shares 11 days before the investigation went public. Made $15 million on it. So that's all weird and then. But they're also in trouble a year or two ago for using AI that had a 90 error rate.

[Tim Pool]

Determiner reported that there's a million different things. 90% error rate and it delayed. Denied. Right. You know, Right, right. Well, let's, let's, let's, let's jump to this next story. Well, I will briefly mention before we move on, Taylor Lorenz defended herself. Okay, let's just, let's just, we'll talk about this because we have to.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

This is from Mediate. Taylor Lorenz defends her celebration of Brian Thompson's murder, saying, it's natural.

[Shane Cashman]

It's natural if you're a demon.

[Tim Pool]

Let me read this. Is, this is. These people are mind blowingly evil and stupid. Former New York Times and Washington Post journalist Taylor Lorenz defended her celebration of the assassination of Brian Thompson on Wednesday. In the hours immediately following Thompson being shot, Lorenz expressed her dismay with health industry saying, and people wonder why we want these executives, if you know what I mean. I'm not going to read her full statement. She wanted to share celebratory graphics that she said were being spammed in her group chats. It's a picture of a star smiling and it says CEO down. And she's like, that's just what my group chat's sharing. What group chat are you in, dude? Anyway, unsurprisingly, her joy over the extinguishment of Thompson's life drew criticism. After providing some examples of others dancing on Thompson's grave while only mentioning one of her many enthusiastic votes, she addressed the backlash saying, quote, naturally the mainstream media began Pearl clutching it in outrage after I posted a, quote, tweet about insurance companies no longer paying for certain anesthesia with the phrase and people wonder why we want these executives, you know? And then she goes in a mention not being alive anymore, legacy media outlets, including Fox News pounced and wrote a slew of articles about my calls for violence. Let me be super clear. My post uses a collective we and is saying the public's explaining the public sentiment. It is not me personally saying I want these executives dead. And I'm not going to read her quote. I am explaining that thousands of Americans, myself included, are fed up with our barbaric healthcare system and the people at the top who rake in millions while inflicting pain, suffering and the death on millions of innocent people. So basically she said, oh, I can't believe they're mad at me. I wasn't saying I wanted it to happen. I'm saying I as well as other people want it to happen.

[Shane Cashman]

Speaking for all of us. Yeah, it's not for me Taylor, definitely not for me.

[Phil Labonte]

Before, like before we move on. There's one thing that I want to point out though. The problems that people face with our health care system go way beyond insurance. There's no reason for you to need to have insurance just to go see your regular doctor for a checkup most of the time most people should be able to afford that. Like it's not necessary. It's not necessary for things to cost as much as it as they do. And if it wasn't for the fact that insurance and health care is tied to employment insurance, you need insurance for literally anything that you do. If all these barriers to entry were not didn't exist, health health care in the US would be significantly cheaper. So it's easy to point at the big company and say it's their fault. But it's not actually, it's not exclusively the big companies. The big government is in of itself is directly responsible for a lot of the policies that these that doctors have to follow that make it necessary to have the big companies and stuff involved in everyday health care.

[Tim Pool]

One of the problems I take with the far left is that they implement the government regulations that create the insurance companies mechanisms.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

The insurance companies of course have revolving door lobbyists who want to get jobs in the government and then get jobs these companies. But it is the angry left saying more government regulations creating the system that they then complain about and then use to justify death.

[Phil Labonte]

To that point back in the 90s IBM had zero lobbyists and they were proud of that. They talked about it all the time. We don't have anyone in D.C. because they did have the opinion that we don't need to go to the government until the government came after them and said we're going to sue you as a monopoly. And then they're like well what are we going to do if we're, we're a successful business, we're just doing business. We make computers. It's not like people don't have the option to go somewhere else because IBM in the 90s isn't IBM today. Bill Gates was rich, but he wasn't as powerful and rich as he is today. And so the only option they had was to get lobbyists to hire lobbyists so that way the government wouldn't come after them.

[Shane Cashman]

So I was looking at old videos from a few years ago about UnitedHealth and their issues and people were referring to them as like an alternate government because of how big they've become. I think that's really interesting. They have more money than the October.

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[Shane Cashman]

Restrictions may apply like it's a huge thing.

[Phil Labonte]

That's true. But at the same time I heard today that their margin is something like 2%. So granted the dude made is why.

[Shane Cashman]

They have AI cutting people so they can make money.

[Phil Labonte]

You know the dude, the dude, the guy that I guess that got killed made like $10 million a year and it's an exorbitant amount of money. But because of the margin they work on, again, 2%, like that's spending a lot of money to make the money big.

[Amber Duke]

And for most for CEOs of a company that big with that much of revenue, that's actually not a $10 million is not that exorbitant. Actually.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

I mean if you compare it to other companies of similar size, I mean.

[Phil Labonte]

You'Re never going to tell a leftist that that's broke. You're not going to tell them that. And they're going to say they blame.

[Amber Duke]

Everybody else for their problems. And this is completely unsurprising. I mean, Taylor Lawrence and her ilk are the same kind of people who basically wish death on people who didn't get vaccinated during COVID and said that it's their fault that she's getting sick and she has to raw dog the air to this day. Embarrassing. It is embarrassing.

[Tim Pool]

You know, and it's funny that she's kind of getting the brunt of this story, but she is. She is one of the most prominent individuals who has directly engaged in what I would call veiled terrorism. Yes, they failed because she didn't literally say, go do it. But we all kind of got the gist of what she was saying, right?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, you're dealing with, like, if. Or if you're dealing with people that are, you know, on the. On the edge of society, maybe they have borderline mental illness or something like that. And you're like, oh, saying these things, like, they're. They're gonna pick up what you're putting.

[Amber Duke]

Down, and that's who their base is. Their base. If you look at studies of white liberals, it's something like 2/3 of them have been diagnosed with a mental illness. Compared. That's white liberals. Compared to white conservatives, it's something like 20 to 25%. So they literally are speaking to a collective group of mentally ill people who would be more predisposed to engaging in this kind of behavior.

[Shane Cashman]

They're hopped up on SSRIs, all types of good stuff.

[Tim Pool]

So, yeah, one of the things that really irks me about a lot of these people, well, the left in general, the organizers, the activists, people I've met, they are not stupid people. No, they know how finance works. They know how much money it takes to run a business. They're intelligent. They just. They're nihilistic. During Occupy Wall street, they explained it outright to me. They understand everything that's going on. They just don't think anything matters. So why should they care about you or your life? This is like the Hillary Clinton mentality. I'm smart, you're dumb. I should just make you do things for me. And so it results in really stupid people not knowing how money works. And they say things like, the CEO of this major. This Fortune 500 company got paid $12 million last year, and the workers are only getting 20, 15 bucks an hour. And then I'm like, all right, let's stop. How many employees does that company have? And they'll be like, I don't know, 40,000. All right, let's divide 12 million by 40,000. How much money you want to give to the employees. Now, I'm not saying it's good if CEOs are ripping off the company and, like, doing bad things, selling stocks before investigations or whatever may be happening. But it's like, you're not talking about solutions. You're just saying, I'm mad. And then when we say, here's a solution, you burn the solution and say, I don't want a solution, I want to be mad.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, because the solution that they actually want is, I want the world. I want a communist utopia.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but think about what that is, right? The people who want communist utopia are not saying they want a communist utopia. They're saying, I don't want to do any work and I want to be able to live and just chill. Yeah, that's really what they're saying. So we had, you know, we had a meeting today with Ian and a couple of video producers, and we're talking about, like, how do we make movies and shows? And, like, what are the cultural moves you need to make? And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, like, these guys are motivated and want to get stuff done. You don't need communism if you are a person who just wants to do work. If you have drive and ambition, because the money comes with the, with the ambition that you have. And it may be, maybe you're a working class guy and you're. And you're. You're struggling to get by, and it's tough, but your motivation is, I got a family and I'm gonna. I'm gonna feed my family. I'm gonna work as hard as I have to do it. You don't need communism. You are gonna do what you have to do. The communists are the people who are like, but I don't want to wake up.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. I mean, like, not for nothing, but like, the. I was doing exactly what I do here on Twitter for, like, 12 years, 13 years before I came and joined the crew here, doing exactly the same thing. And even if I wasn't here, you know, every night, every night of the week, I would still be doing this on Twitter because that's what I did before. You know, it's just this is. This is recreation to me.

[Amber Duke]

And their idea of getting paid not to work would actually make their mental health issues worse. I mean, I think there's inherent value in work and toil and in being productive. And the idea that you would sit around all day doing literally nothing, like, the idea that that would give more Purpose to your life or make you better off is so backwards.

[Shane Cashman]

That's why isolation was so destructive during lockdowns.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. But this is the crazy thing that for whatever reason the liberal worldview is work equals bad, right? And I'm like, work is life. And there. And it's weird that we develop this culture where they're like, whoa, man, your work is your life. What's wrong with you, dude? And I'm like, a guy 300 years ago who grew up with his dad, who was a blacksmith, was not upset that someone came to him and said, I need a new sword. And he was like, I know how to make them check it out and then makes it. And they're like, this is the finest sword I've ever seen. It's like, thank you, sir. It made you feel good, made you feel a part of society. You were useful. And for some reason, over the past several decades, we've developed this, like, drugged out hippie mentality of like, life should be just like, laying around and looking at the sky. What?

[Shane Cashman]

They'll be in the fields when they get their utopia of communism.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, they don't get it.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Three Body problem. Have you guys seen it? It went viral a while ago because it's a Netflix show and it opened with the culture revolution in China and it's epic. And because it's so old, I'm going to spoil a bit of it, but you've got this Red Guard woman beating a guy, a professor, for refusing to give him the answers they want on stage. He's got a dunce camp on later on. This woman has. She has her hand. Her. She's. Her hand has been amputated and she's breaking rocks in a field. These lefty communists don't realize. Let me ask you, you don't want to work? What skills do you have? What passions drive you? Nothing. Okay, Break rocks. Because the dude who knows how to program computers, the communists are going to be like, okay, program computers. And then you say, but I just want to read and do poetry. Break rocks. And they're going to put you in a quarry. They're going to say, do the labor you can do, because to each according to their needs. From each, according. To. What is it? From each corner ability.

[Phil Labonte]

To each according.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, there you go. And that means, what are you good at and what can you do? Okay, well, we'll give you a little bit of food, and the only thing you're capable of doing for the system is going to be menial labor. Congratulations. You've Got everything you've ever wanted.

[Shane Cashman]

It's interesting that they don't teach the culture revolution in a lot of colleges or schools like you grow up. A lot of people don't just know about what happened with Mao. They don't know what happened with Stalin. Oh, for sure it's intentional because they want to implement it. If you know the consequences, you might be afraid to go down that utopian route, you know?

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story from the New York Post. Oh, they say grinning suspect and United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson's murder seen in newly released pics. The police did not say this was a suspect. So I'm going to hit refresh on this and see if they've changed the headline. Indeed they did not. The. The NYPD crime stopper said this is a person of interest who was seen staying at a. At a hostel on the Upper west side. It is not the same jacket. It is not the same backpack. Many people are saying. But wait, wait, let me. I'll just actually show you the photo. Here's the photo of the assassin from Crime Stoppers with the gray backpack, the black hoodie with the mask on. I would say based on this grainy photo, I can't really tell, but let me know if you guys agree. This person looks to be middle aged. Do you think so?

[Amber Duke]

No, I think they look younger than that.

[Tim Pool]

You think that person looks younger?

[Shane Cashman]

Could be younger too.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I don't. I look at the hands and I see the white, the discoloration, and I say, I think that person's probably early for like maybe mid-40s or older. Could be 50.

[Amber Duke]

It is cold outside, though.

[Tim Pool]

That's true. But younger people don't have. So that white on the hands is much more common in older people. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. But I look at this and they're clearly not the same person. Either way. Literally just not the same person. And everybody saw this and just immediately assumed it was the suspect when the police said it was a person of interest. And this person looks very different. I gotta be completely honest.

[Shane Cashman]

Looks like a mask to me.

[Tim Pool]

A mask?

[Shane Cashman]

Like a CIA mask. Ever seen those crazy latex masks? Yeah, latex masks, actually, that looks like. That face looks weird.

[Tim Pool]

And that nose is massive. No disrespect. I don't know who this person is. If it's just like some random guy staying at a hostel and he's like, dude, stop ragging on my nose. But that, that, that could make sense if.

[Shane Cashman]

Seriously, if he's professional. Yeah, he's not been found yet. We know these things have existed for.

[Tim Pool]

Decades, but you can buy these masks on the Internet for dirt cheap.

[Shane Cashman]

Instagram wants me to buy one all the time. Like, I'm like, I'm not getting one. I'm not doing anything crazy. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if it was Luke who bought it. I think Luke. Luke bought a muscle suit. A silicon muscles. Was that Luke who bought that? It was like a joke and a big fake. Boo.

[Shane Cashman]

There was that one. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

How could you forget, dude?

[Tim Pool]

And the weirdest thing is someone also bought a pregnancy belly.

[Shane Cashman]

That's weird.

[Tim Pool]

That is very weird. I'm like, maybe that's what he wore to get away. But hold on.

[Shane Cashman]

This stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. I mean, think about it. If you're an assassin and you. And you got a backpack on, you just pulled this off. People are saying, I bet he changed his clothes. I'm like, imagine if he was wearing like a muscle suit to make him look bigger. So in the photos, they're looking for a guy. We're looking for a guy who's about 6ft tall with a muscular build. And then he goes into an alley and he pulls this silicon suit off, shoves it into a backpack and puts on a button up and then like ditches the backpack in a garbage or something.

[Shane Cashman]

I. That's. I really believe that you can go on YouTube and see a ton of videos of former. I know I don't believe in former CIA agents, but former CIA agents doing the mask thing and they show you how it's effective. There's a lady doing one. There's that guy who's on. On Lex Freeman's podcast talking about it a while back. I mean, and UnitedHealth is a giant thing. That's what I'm saying. Like if they were considered like an alt government type giant thing. This is a huge job, whoever it is. And you got to get away. And it's. You're in the New York City, a surveillance state.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Look at this.

[Phil Labonte]

Everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

I just, I just searched for real face masks.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, dude, they're crazy.

[Amber Duke]

That is crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Dude, I don't know that I have an opinion on whether or not that guy was wearing a mask. But like in New York or in New York City, especially at the time of day, like 6:45 in the morning.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Like you, you can, you know, get on the subway and very quickly. Yeah, well, that's what he did. He went to Central park and you can get on the subway or whatever and get to an airport real quick. And Disappear.

[Shane Cashman]

It wasn't marked like a marked, I guess, city bike. Like I thought it was a city bike at first. And he. It was another bike.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, it wasn't. Okay, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Like this is pretty planned out, I think. And I see these people on like Fox talking about, well, he was not a professional because he went to Starbucks. But what if he had a mask on to throw it off?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean it's part of this is.

[Shane Cashman]

It could be crazy plan.

[Amber Duke]

There was a report today too that he gave a fake ID when he was checking in at the hostel. So it means he stayed at hospital. Obviously pre planned.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, they're probably not gonna get this guy.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, it was clearly plea.

[Tim Pool]

I mean there's a bike waiting for him.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Not even locked up. He walked over, jumped on it, rode away. That's crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So here's, here's where it gets crazy. Part of this story that broke last night was that a message was found inscribed on one of the bullet casings. Listen to this five Good day New York. First on the scene we saw as officers attempted to give this man cpr those desperate moments. But again, this victim, the man who was shot in the chest has died. This all happened about 6:45 in the morning outside of the Hilton hotel right off 6th Avenue. This suspect, described as a 6 foot tall man with a slim build, possibly wearing a cream colored jacket, black gloves. He took off northbound on 6th Avenue. People who witnessed this situation, there were actually two or three people who saw it. They said that it appeared that. Oh, I'm sorry, I pull up the old one. My bad. This is from yesterday. The message actually ended up getting released. And that was the. Let me, let me pull up the story here. That's my bad. Let's see. Here we go. I thought I had the right tweet pulled up. That's my bad. Here we go. The message that was scrawled on it was deny, depose and defend engraved on lived rounds and shell casings. And this is appears to be an allusion to the book Delay, deny defend. Subtitled why insurance companies don't pay claims and what you can do about it. Police are looking at possible ties to the book as well as more general references to the health industry as a potential motive. I got to be honest. Could it be? There's two ways to look at it. Depose, deny, defend. Could be after litigation deposition, this person was basically advancing Delay, deny defend because he went through something personally or a loved one did. Or is this intentionally trying to mislead people and he Actually got the name of the book wrong when he scrawled the message on the bullets, because he doesn't actually.

[Shane Cashman]

I think it's just so on the nose. I don't know, but it's too. It's too early to tell, you know, but he was, you know, under investigation. And so when people find out about that and they see the shell casings with the words, everyone's gonna be like, well, that. That makes sense. But there was so much going on in his personal life and in his business life, it's impossible to know, you know, what's going on.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I suppose it's possible that it was, you know, to, you know, to dis. What's it called, but to, you know, get the attention off of what the actual motive was. Deflect. There you go. But I mean, usually I would still consider, like, the fact that it was written on the casings as a lead to follow.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, you still got to follow it. I just. My gut is saying it's not real, you know, I. But I. I don't know. Anything is possible. And I also want to say I don't think he's the assassin. CIA. I'm just saying that he was using possible CIA tactics, you know, as a professional hitman. Yeah. Allegedly. To. To go about escaping.

[Phil Labonte]

He didn't look like. When you look. Watch the video of him doing the actual shoot, he didn't look like he was scared. And if it was like a first time kind of thing, or if it was like his kid was the reason that he was doing it, like, kid got denied or his wife got denied, you'd think that there would be emotion in what he's doing. Maybe he'd shoot him and yell at him or say something, and it was very much like, pop, pop.

[Shane Cashman]

Where's that old.

[Amber Duke]

Like there was any overkill or anything like that. He did what he needed to do and left.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Cole calculated and he bounced.

[Phil Labonte]

Not that I know if it was, you know, not like I'm saying, I.

[Amber Duke]

Just watched a lot of Criminal Minds.

[Shane Cashman]

So you're an expert.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah. I mean, that's all it takes these days. Right, sure.

[Phil Labonte]

That does make sense. Like, if you. If he. If he's not, like, super nervous and you. And he's not, like, fumbling with stuff. He. He shot the guy. He knew that the gun wasn't going to cycle because as soon as he shot, he didn't do, like. Like, when I'm shooting, if I shoot and something goes wrong, the first thing I do is tap, rack. Right. But he knew that it wasn't going to be tap. He knew just to go to right to racket. Right. Like so.

[Amber Duke]

And having it written on that live casing, knowing that he was going to eject it.

[Tim Pool]

It looks like the there steel casings. I don't know if any.

[Phil Labonte]

It could be.

[Tim Pool]

It kind of looks like it, right?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean that looks like it. They do look like they're like chrome color or whatever as opposed to like a brass color. But I mean you know, I, again I don't know because I, you know I'm. I'm not an expert and I wasn't there obviously. But like it doesn't seem like he was nervy.

[Shane Cashman]

The fact that the hay hasn't been caught yet either means he took his own life or he's completely vanished. You know, like there was instances from back, back home up in New York where similar things happen. Not as to this degree, but a shooting, someone left, they weren't found for a few days and they found the body, you know, floating down the Hudson river or something. So that could be that or, or people would be like well this could end with the death by cop situation. If it was maybe a less of a professional. Right. Who got caught quickly. But I don't know, it doesn't seem that way, you know, to do it at that early morning in New York City outside the Hilton, which I know that area. That's brazen.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. I mean they play. It was, and it was well planned too. It wasn't just.

[Shane Cashman]

I will say, but his stuff, his schedule was very open. Everyone knew where this guy would be for a conference. So like anyone could have access to it.

[Tim Pool]

Sure.

[Shane Cashman]

Lean to anyone knowing where he was.

[Tim Pool]

We do have some other updates as well. The police stormed a train the Long Island Rail 5:30. An exercise said they were on the 5:30pm Ally RR train to Seaford when the train was swarmed by cops. Officials maintain that although the train tip failed to find the killer, the NYPD welcomed the wave of tips it's receiving, received an offer and is offering a ten thousand dollar reward. It's helping they added. We are following up on every single tip that's come in. Any tip could be the missing piece of the puzzle that ties everything together. I don't think, I don't think they'll find the guy. I. I don't think so. Whoa, look at this. Believe phone left at the scene. May not be a burner.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh really?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, they're saying might be his real phone.

[Phil Labonte]

Wow.

[Amber Duke]

Well that would be a Huge mistake.

[Shane Cashman]

Now it just doesn't add up.

[Amber Duke]

It doesn't track with everything else.

[Tim Pool]

If you're a pro. I mean, come on, dude. The pro ID somebody who looks like him at a bar, snatches it, leaves it at the scene, scribble something on the bullets, and it keeps the scent off of you.

[Amber Duke]

Just based on how well everything else was organized. To leave behind a phone seems very out of character for this guy.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it does seem very well planned. And not just very well planned, but we're very well executed.

[Tim Pool]

I will mention this, too, because a lot of people have pointed out that the weapon was malfunctioning. Some said, no, he's manually cycling the weapon because he's. He's using subsonic rounds so that it's quieter than. Others said, no, you can look, it looks like it's malfunctioning. I want to stress, and I think most gun people know this. The average person experiencing a malfunction doesn't know what's happening. For him to fire and then quickly cycle the weapon means he understands what a malfunction is.

[Shane Cashman]

Was it a World War II type, like, remake or something? No, I saw that article.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. People were claiming that, but there's. There's a bunch of gun tubers who are like, no, no, no.

[Shane Cashman]

Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Some of these guns where you have to manually cycle.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, they're sharing all these. Like, they wrote entire articles on how it was a World War II gun. Like, that was a clue.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not. I'm. Look, I own guns, but I'm not a gun expert by any means. And I've been to the range, a lot of people, and when there's a jam, they're clueless, and they're like, I don't understand what's happening. What do I do?

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Amber Duke]

Or there's like four or five different things that it could be. And you go through a variety of steps before you finally get to the point where you cycle dry fire and make sure it's safe. That's like the last thing that you do when you're dealing with a malfunction.

[Shane Cashman]

Did he only shoot three times?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't.

[Shane Cashman]

Then were there only three?

[Phil Labonte]

Do we know that he was shot three times?

[Shane Cashman]

I wonder if.

[Phil Labonte]

How many times he.

[Shane Cashman]

Actually, I would also say something, I think, to his expertise.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Because there was. There are. There are rounds on the ground. There were rounds on the ground that were. That were not spent. So there were actual bullets, and then there were some just casings.

[Shane Cashman]

Because NYPD can't shoot in public, they.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, remember that story where the.

[Tim Pool]

Guy came out, it was at his office building, and he was like. It was like he went postal. He came out and the cops ran up and just fired wildly. Didn't hit him, but hit seven random people.

[Phil Labonte]

Seven people? Yeah. That was outside. I think that was outside of the Empire State Building.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they. You know. And you know what? I was told the cost of lawsuits the NYPD has to pay out for negligent discharge is less than the cost of training NYPD how to use their guns.

[Phil Labonte]

Unbelievable.

[Tim Pool]

But, I mean, think about it. You got 30,000 or whatever, cops who need to be trained times whatever the training is, and they're like, nah, we don't have that many shootings and the lawsuits don't cost that much. So just whatever. That's cost benefit analysis. It's like that scene from Fight Club where he's like, on the plane and Edward Norton's character, Jack, he's like, if the cost of the lawsuits is less than the cost of the recall, we don't recall. And so they know the cars will blow up and do whatever. Wild.

[Shane Cashman]

Meanwhile, New York City released their prisons at the beginning. It's Gotham. This is straight up Gotham. And Taylor Lorenz is like a villain from Gotham.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Which one? Which. Which Bath? Which Batman? Rogues.

[Shane Cashman]

Joker. I don't know. It's hard to know Lady Joker. Yeah, she says she's not Harley Quinn. She's cooler. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. I don't know. I mean, she might be. I understand people might get mad because they like the character of Harley Quinn, but she. That's probably the better, best analog. She's just mentally unstable and dangerous.

[Shane Cashman]

Right. She gets afraid if someone approaches her. But by all means, post pictures of people that you don't want.

[Tim Pool]

You know? No, that's not fair. She's too old to be Harley Quinn. Anyway, let's. Let's jump to this story from the Daily Wireless. David Hogg seriously considering running for top DNC job to fix parties. Condescending tone. Many Republicans and conservatives laughed online at the prospect of seeing Hogg try to run the Democratic Party. This is offensive, okay? How dare you mock this intelligent and passionate young man who is trying to do what he must do to save the Democratic Party. I for one second, his nomination or I nominate him. I would love to see the DNC run by David Hogg. Okay, well, I guess he wants to be vice chair. So. Politico reported that Hogg has told reporters he is seriously considering running for DNC Vice chair. The failed pillow salesman who has made the name for himself by aggressively calling. Isn't that crazy, though? He tried to sell pillows. You remember that?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He was like, the. My pillow guy is doing such a good job that he tried to create a progressive pillow launch, and it didn't work.

[Phil Labonte]

Was it our pillow, is what he called it?

[Shane Cashman]

No, just stones.

[Tim Pool]

What it was called Good pillow. Because our pillow.

[Amber Duke]

My pillow's evil pillow, I guess. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Our pillow was the pillow that we made, which was a burlap sack full of packing peanuts.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And the idea was that the communist version of it sucked.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, anyway, they say the failed pillow salesman who has made a name for himself by. We get it. We get it. Well, honestly, I'm considering it because I think that one. Obviously, I think we need a new generation in the dnc. He's not wrong about that. If this election has taught us nothing else, I think we need an intergenerational coalition as a party. It's. Look, let's be real. It's. They're not going to. Bro. You're not going anywhere near the dnc. They're going to. You're going to be like, yes, right this way, Mr. Hogg. And they're going to walk you down a dark corridor inside the building. Then they're going to open a door with a bright light. They're going to push you through, and it's a fire exit.

[Shane Cashman]

I think he should run for president.

[Phil Labonte]

I agree.

[Tim Pool]

Well, AOC might.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, true.

[Shane Cashman]

That's true. Yeah, he should run with her. That's great.

[Tim Pool]

I would like AOC Hog 2028.

[Shane Cashman]

That's a horrible videotape that no one should watch.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't even want to touch that one. I mean, look, I would like to see the Democrat Party move away from the progressive end. Right. The Democrat Party move away from the far left. There was strong signals in this past election that the country wants to move back to the right a little bit. Move away from things like defund the police, move away things from. From things like open borders, move away from things like restorative justice. These policies have negative consequences for Americans. And that was kind of clear and made kind of clear in the election. It would be cool if we didn't have the same crop of people with progressive ideas saying, hey, let's just do more of the same stuff that we've been rejected about.

[Amber Duke]

Well, what's so wild about him saying that he wants to fix the DNC's condescension problem is anyone who's seen David Hogg's social media account, know that he's one of the most condescending people on the Internet.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, it's always projection. Always.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's. It's always projection and it's bad for the country. Again, the policies that the left prefers have been tested for at least the past five years, and they're producing results that Americans aren't happy with. You look at what happened in California, and there were a bunch of recalls. There were people, There was multiple recalls. Chesapean was recalled. There was another person that was recalled, another da.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah, it wasn't San Francisco maybe it was San Francisco where there was a DA and then there was another, maybe Oakland County. The DA also lost reelection.

[Phil Labonte]

And then there was a couple people that lost reelection and there were like 11 counties shifted red from that were blue counties.

[Amber Duke]

London Breed is who I was thinking of. The mayor.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes. She lost. And like, that's a big deal. And that speaks to the tone of the country you had. Even though the left would love to say, oh, there was no red wave, and that Donald Trump didn't because he didn't get 50% of the vote, it wasn't a landslide, blah, blah, blah. That's just semantic Cope.

[Amber Duke]

And also on the House numbers, if you look at the redistricting that happened, Republicans are basically capped at the amount of seats that they can win just based on the way the districts are drawn. But if you look at the counties that flipped, the seats that they did win, they basically did max out, which, I mean, they hit the ceiling of the potential support that they can get in the House based on the way that the districts are drawn.

[Shane Cashman]

Right now is the Democratic Party. Can they not reject the tone of the American people?

[Phil Labonte]

Like, well, Cenk was here just a couple days ago and he was actually calling for moderation.

[Shane Cashman]

That's true. Yeah, there's definitely pockets of it. But when I watch, like the corporate press, they seem to not learn their lesson.

[Tim Pool]

They look, Cenk got the memo. But to be fair, while I'm not going to pretend like he's been a saint the whole time or he's come around like, look, Dave Rubin was on this train a long time ago, recognizing the left was losing their minds and they ragged on him for it. But over the past year, it is true that Cenk was screaming, biden can't win. They're lying. This is nuts. He was admitting Biden is crazy and old, but he got the memo. That's called the popular mandate. And he's probably sitting Here being like, we're on the wrong side of this one. The people are fed up. Even Bill Maher just recently came out saying, we need the disruptors. They're getting the memo. The corporate press, they don't read the news Like, Bill Maher's on the line. My issue with Bill Maher is that he doesn't read. Whoopi Goldberg doesn't read. So on the View, you have this great bit. Actually, we could pull this up in a second where Charlamagne, the God, is like. Like, Joe Biden lied about pardoning his son. And Whoopi's like, no, maybe he just changed his mind. And it's like, did you guys read the initial reporting on this from NBC that said Biden had been planning this the whole time? They don't read the news, But Cenk sees the writing on the wall, and he's thinking, we need to figure out where our victories are going to be, because we lost the popular vote on this one. This ain't it. And so he recently tweeted that he's actually backing a Republican, that he's throwing his support behind a Republican who's got some populist plans that he agrees with and says, let's go for it. Because if the left populist and the right populist can get victories where they agree, just take them right. There you go.

[Shane Cashman]

So do the Democrats fracture now?

[Amber Duke]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

I can't see the party coalescing around.

[Tim Pool]

That's why David Hogg wants to run for the dnc. He's like, it's weak. Now's my chance. Because in no sane reality could this kid. I know he's an adult man, but let's be real. This. This. There's no. There's no reality where this person is going to get a top position at the. In the. In the Democratic Party.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Unless the Democratic Democratic Party is done. It is. It is a withered husk. The donors have fled. They're pissed.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Now's his chance.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, he'll start one. Beto O'Rourke would probably be on board with them, you know, like, because they seem similar to me.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Ultra feminine, lanky, low T. Guys, losers. Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

Eight guns. I mean, one of the problems, though, with the Democrats potentially fracturing is that, I mean, this did happen to the Republican Party in a lot of ways when Trump became the nominee in 2015, where they were forced, really, to listen to their grassroots activists for the first time in a long time. But that was a very organic movement. I don't see the Same kind of groundswell on the left to be more normal. Instead you actually have the vocal minority of the progressives getting increasingly angry at a party that they feel isn't crazy enough. And the Democrats who have all of the money and political power, try to placate them by running candidates or adopting policies that are in line with that as opposed to moving towards the more moderate sort of Blue dog Democrat position.

[Phil Labonte]

I would love to see more Blue Dog Democrats being, you know, held up as.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah, they're basically extinct at this point. Yeah, man should not even be a pro life Democrat anymore.

[Tim Pool]

Who was it in Montana? Was it Tester? Was he the, Was he like basically the last one, man?

[Amber Duke]

More or less. But I mean, but he's not exactly moderate either.

[Tim Pool]

Right. And Manchin was considered. But these were considered to be 10, 15 years ago.

[Amber Duke]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And now it's just like, dude, you guys are Democrats. Get out of here.

[Shane Cashman]

The Republican Party absorbed a lot of their liberals.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well, I mean, effectively they got Tulsi now.

[Shane Cashman]

They got RFK Jr. That's why I've.

[Tim Pool]

Been saying, like, I don't see how the Democratic Party can recover because they kicked the moderates out. They kicked us out, dude. Joe Rogan, okay, was a Bernie bro who ragged on Trump incessantly. They kicked him out, they screamed in his face, they made his picture look green on cnn. And he's gone. He's not coming back. Why would he go back?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, look, the Republicans had a similar thing happen after, after it came, became clear that there was no yellow cake uranium in Iraq and that the pretenses for the war in Iraq were bs and the Republicans were like, wait a minute, this is not what the Republican Party is supposed to be. And they lost a lot of people. The Ron Paul revolution was mostly Republicans that said, I don't want to be involved with the warmonger party. And you know, there's a lot of, a lot of people left and a lot of reshaping and it ended up with Donald Trump coming and kind of taking the reins of that. And whereas he's probably more establishment than a lot of the libertarians would like, he's still, you know, a far cry from Mitt Romney and Dick Cheney. So now it's time for Graham. Yeah. You know, and now it's time for the Democrats to kind of be lost in the wilderness for a bit. And hopefully they'll, they'll, the reasonable moderate Democrats will, will find their way back.

[Tim Pool]

I should, I should run for DNC chair. I mean, you can, I'm not going anywhere near any of that stuff ever.

[Amber Duke]

I mean, when we're. We're talking about this difference, though, between Trump's takeover of the GOP and then the Democrats, Trump has made very clear that he is interested in having people around him who don't agree with him on every single thing. Right. That's. That's why he's willing to partner with people like Tulsi Gabbard and rfk. But on the Democratic side, you have complete and total ideological purity that is required of everyone who gets elevated to one of these leadership positions. So they're not really able to have the necessary debates that they need to have in order to create a healthier party that actually represents the people.

[Shane Cashman]

They don't even like debates.

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Amber Duke]

Right. They shut them down.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, did you guys see what. What's her face from Call her Daddy? She was. She was speaking at an event, the New York Times or whatever, and was just ragging on Kamala.

[Shane Cashman]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Saying they spent 100 grand to build this weird set that looks nothing like her set. Far away. She's like, how do you even spend that kind of money on this? It's just all fake, pre planned, organized, with staffers standing by.

[Shane Cashman]

And no one cared.

[Phil Labonte]

No one cared.

[Shane Cashman]

The country rejected it all. Oprah, all of it. It's amazing.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Well, let's, let's, let's do this. Let's. Let's jump to what do we have here?

[Phil Labonte]

A hock to a hock tour.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go. I mean, we could talk about. We'll save the Whoopi Goldberg thing for a second, but I want to talk about Hock to us. So we have this story from Vulture, Hawk to a insider trade on that thing. Andy Warhol once said, in the future, everybody will be famous for a few months, and in that time, they will be accused of insider trading when their meme coin flops. I can respect the attempt. Jason Frank for Vulture, but I think mine was better. This morning I said the making a random comment about sucking dick to committing security, securities fraud, prison, pipeline. That was my take on this thing. So, for those that don't know, she launched a cryptocurrency, and within a few minutes, tons of people who had access to the coin, who never bought it, dumped it, and ripped off all the fans that bought in. And so it's looking now like Hock Tua is facing some. This looks like it's criminal. I mean, I don't know. I'm not an expert. I'm not accusing everybody of doing Anything wrong? I don't know, but there is. Now here's the, here's the story. Basically. Let me see if I can get the update. A law firm is now advertising over the Hawk to a pump and dump. This is Berwick Law. They said if you lost money on Hawk, contact our firm to learn about your legal rights. Our firm represents thousands of NFT and token investors and securities matters. This is attorney advertising. They even have the legal disclaimer. So we have this post that this is Voidzilla, aka Coffeezilla, and he's got this great video up on YouTube put up two hours ago where he's talking about what happened with Hawk to his coin. Basically ripping people off. They said this 285 investors joined her pre sale. So actually, let me, let me jump back and I'll play a sampling of his video. You can hear it straight from him and then I recommend you watch his full video. Into this pre sale. They say they got in at $16.69 million total valuation, which means that if they sold out the whole 17%, you're looking at about $2.8 million raised by pre selling these tokens. So it is essentially a lie to say her team didn't sell tokens. Well, they pre sold them and then those investors dumped on your fans. That's the problem because Bubble Map says we found 285 investors join the Hawk presale. That's about what I saw as well. 89 wallets sold 100% on launch, 47 sold over 50%. Anyway, you can see in total $3.3 million were sold. So basically Hock Tua says we didn't sell any of these coins but had. Had pre sold them. That's what they're claiming to investors, quote, unquote, investors. And then 89 of them dumped everything they got. And there's this huge transaction record of people getting four, like three. One's got 300 grand, one's got like a million, and then a bunch of them have like $40,000. And now people are saying she's going to talk to a judge.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean it's, it's probably smart for her to go talk to a judge because she's going to have to.

[Tim Pool]

No talk to a lawyer.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, I mean she probably should talk to a lawyer, but I mean if she goes to. I mean, I, yeah, I would, I guess, I imagine if she probably should talk to a lawyer first because anything that she says is going to just tweeting about it.

[Shane Cashman]

Right? She's just tweeting about it. I don't think she's even taking this too seriously.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I. Look, I was talking about this earlier, and I think she must be hurting. I. I think she's probably not making a lot of money.

[Shane Cashman]

They gave her a podcast recently, but.

[Tim Pool]

How much money is she really making off of it?

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And how many views is she probably getting? Yeah, you know, people, look, podcasting is one of the only, if not the only, media medium that does not disclose its ratings. That is the weirdest thing to me, why they don't do that. YouTube puts it front and center on the video, and people can see if the video did well or not. Cable TV ratings are published weekly. You can look up and see that MSNBC is failing. Podcasts don't do this. I'd be willing to bet nobody listens to her, because what would they listen.

[Shane Cashman]

To her for, right?

[Tim Pool]

Like, come on, man. Look, with all due respect, it's great that she made a million dollars or whatever because she made a comment about blowing dudes or whatever and. But that's it. She's got nothing left. So my view is. And I could be wrong. I don't know. She's probably hurting. And if she was, if she was dealing with mainstream typical success, she wouldn't resort to this weird crypto scheme, whatever you want to call it, to make money. And reportedly, according to the people online, they're saying that she got over a million bucks right off the bat.

[Phil Labonte]

We were talking about this the other night, though. Like, you. You get that thing that goes viral, but you have to have something of value that people actually are interested in if you expect to actually capitalize on. On the viral post or whatever.

[Shane Cashman]

Otherwise, it's like Tiffany Gomez just posted feet pics after she went viral.

[Phil Labonte]

Did she actually.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, yeah, she was posting those weird pics of her in kitchen, but, like, her fake.

[Tim Pool]

But this is gone.

[Shane Cashman]

Who knows?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I'd imagine Hock2 is making more money than she made before, for sure. Yeah, but it's. It's. It's. It's. It's going to be painful for a lot of these people, and not just her, but anybody. When, look, you're a regular person, next thing you know, you're on the news everywhere, everybody knows your name, and you've got to figure out what you're going to do to maintain that. So she didn't. So it's only been a few months, and now Vulture is writing that she may be involved in insider trading fraud. She says that she not Any insiders were given access to her coin. A team hasn't sold one token, and that not one. What is. What is Kol? It's a opinion leader or something, was given one free token. She posted an X. But as people are pointing out, yeah, it's because she pre sold them before the launch. So they didn't sell them. They pre sold them. This is just. Look, your life is normal. You're making. You have little money overnight. You have. You have a million bucks. You spend it on stupid things. This is what people tend to do. Then you're looking at your account. You're like, I need more of this. I need more of this. But you're not going to get it. You had your moment talking about blown dudes or whatever.

[Shane Cashman]

The thing that's weird also is that she's claimed to be upset with the guy who posted the video that got her famous. And then she's on podcasts complaining about being famous, but she's doing the show still, right? She's like, I don't really. I didn't want this. But here I am traveling all these podcasts. That's all weird to me.

[Amber Duke]

I listened to a little bit of one of her first podcasts that she posted, which was just the aftermath of finding out that she had gone viral. And it was actually really sad in a way, and kind of tragic because she had to explain to her parents.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

Why she went viral. And when I saw this video and everyone was so excited about. They thought it was so funny. I just thought, this girl's parents must be so horrified that this is the daughter that they raised, and this is what she's out doing on the town with her friends. I don't know. I find the whole thing to be.

[Shane Cashman]

It's really depressing.

[Tim Pool]

I knew a guy, and he had a viral moment where overnight he was on the news everywhere. And this was a while ago. It was like 10 years or longer. And I said to him, he was. He was getting requests. His email was blowing up. It had been like two or three weeks where he was on all of these programs, and he was. He went from being some dude working in a small, you know, Brooklyn restaurant or something, washing dishes, to all of a sudden, people are paying him speaking fees. He's got money, his clothes were clean, and he was looking great. And I asked him, what's your plan, dude? What are you. What are you gonna do? Like, what represents what and who you are? And where do you go from here? I'm not worried about it. I'm fine. And then I was like, listen, this month you have this viral moment and they're hitting you up. What are you gonna do to make sure their interest comes back next month when the news cycle changes? He's like, nah, you don't get it, man. Like, we're working on these things, and we. We figured it out. Guess what he was doing a month later? Back to zero.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

No one's heard from him since.

[Shane Cashman]

Going viral is like the new winning the lottery. You know how, like they said, when you win the lottery, it just comes with a lot of horrible consequences? Now it's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, winning the lottery always did, too. People don't. People don't get it.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, right.

[Tim Pool]

There's like those documentaries about how winning the lottery ruined people's lives, right? And everyone goes like, how is that possible? That it ruined your life? That makes no sense. And it's like, people don't, like. Let me. Let me just say one thing. You can't just give someone money. The IRS doesn't allow it. That's the craziest thing. Like, obviously, you can hand someone a hundred dollar bill, but there's. There's limits on how much you can give people before you get taxed on those things and then dramatically reduces the amount you can give to people. So it's not as simple to say, like, I'd like to buy my friend a car. Nope. When Oprah gave everybody cars, they got massive tax burdens from it. That was a huge, huge fiasco back in the day. And everyone just sold the cars and then it'd pay taxes on it. So winning the lottery would be great. Don't get me wrong. But the average person all of a sudden wakes up one day with 10,000 new problems they didn't know existed, and they're just like, I don't even know what to do with the money because there's. There's a. Like, you. You. You can't just spend. Like, if you want $100 million, you can't just spend a hundred million dollars. When you have a thousand bucks, you get your paycheck. You can go to the grocery store. Money's gone. You have food, you can fix your light, you can fix your window, Money's gone. You can get a car repaired, Money's gone. You can hire someone to come and clean your house. Finally, money's gone. But when you have a hundred million dollars, okay, so you spent ten grand in one week doing all of these things. Your fridge is stocked, you got brand new clothing, your car's fixed, everything's up to order now. What do you do with the other? You could invest 99,999,000.

[Shane Cashman]

Invest in meme coin from the Hawk, too.

[Tim Pool]

We gotta put the money somewhere.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amber Duke]

There's also the problem with what it does to your relationships and your family. I mean, if you've ever had someone in your family pass away and they had, you know, a significant chunk of change that they had after they died, like, families get absolutely insane in that process of diving up the assets and the reading of the will and all of that. I mean, if you throw in $100 million lottery win, that's only magnified to the nth degree, right? I mean, your life is literally never the same. And like you said, it's not all positive. There's a lot of drawbacks.

[Shane Cashman]

You hear a lot about the families turning on the people. It's publicized. People know, right? The gas station promotes it. Everyone knows. And then you wake up. All these issues still sound.

[Tim Pool]

What's. What. What's Poly Market giving us? That she goes to prison. Do they have it?

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, geez.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think.

[Amber Duke]

None of us really think that she had any idea what was going on. Right?

[Tim Pool]

Like, no, rent is not an excuse.

[Amber Duke]

No, I'm not. I'm. I'm not. I'm not saying that she's an evil.

[Shane Cashman]

Genius and we don't know.

[Amber Duke]

I'm definitely not saying that she deserves a free pass because she didn't know. I'm just throwing out there that she doesn't seem right enough to really understand.

[Shane Cashman]

Are you serious?

[Amber Duke]

That she was committing fraud?

[Tim Pool]

They actually have it?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Haley Welch in jail in 2024. Yeah. Want me to put. Send the link in?

[Tim Pool]

Is there one?

[Shane Cashman]

For how long? Till we find out it's a money laundering scheme for the dnc.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

What? I was joking.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Three percent.

[Phil Labonte]

That's this year.

[Amber Duke]

That I would have thought.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that's 2024, maybe.

[Tim Pool]

20. Look, look, look. It was. It was at 5. Okay. Is it.

[Phil Labonte]

Is.

[Tim Pool]

Is that what you found, too? It's only 3%.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's what I got.

[Tim Pool]

That's a value bet.

[Phil Labonte]

I might buy it, but it might be.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah, we've only got. We got less than a month.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Tim Pool]

It says jail. Wow. Yo, this. Are you nuts? That's a great wager. Dude. She could jaywalk and go to jail. Are you kidding me? The. The average person has been to jail. Jail is not prison.

[Amber Duke]

That's true.

[Tim Pool]

So they're basically saying that maybe she gets. Maybe she's speeding, 30 miles off the limit. So they arrest her. Yo, that resolves.

[Phil Labonte]

There's nothing. There's nothing.

[Amber Duke]

Intoxication.

[Phil Labonte]

There's nothing for 20, 25 to the drunk tank.

[Amber Duke]

Haley.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Serious for her Britney Spears moment. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it's only in 2024.

[Phil Labonte]

Haley, if you want to get out of your debt here, you could take a big. Take a big. A big bet that you're going to go to jail. And then just so you know, just so happens that you get into a bar fight or something.

[Tim Pool]

Wait a minute. Is she allowed to wager on this?

[Phil Labonte]

I'm sure she knows someone. Well, look, the cap.

[Tim Pool]

The cap is only $30,000, though, so $33,000 volume. It's funny that Poly market actually has it, though. That's crazy. And it launched because of this thing. It just launched.

[Phil Labonte]

How much money do you owe, Haley?

[Tim Pool]

Nah, but I don't. Here's the issue. If she gets arrested over this and she spends seven hours in jail, it resolves. It's not a crazy ask. No, I'm not saying she's going to get convicted and go to prison. I think if she. If it does turn out to be. I mean, this really does look like fraud. I don't know. I'm not an expert. Again, I'm not accusing her of having done anything wrong. But if she does go to court over this and it does turn out to be a criminal wrongdoing, they're not going to put her in prison. They're going to give her a slap on the wrist, tell her to pay back, pay restitution and things like that.

[Shane Cashman]

All the corporate press having to define what hock to you means Primetime news. I hate this world. Hate it.

[Tim Pool]

This is why we've never talked about it before, because it's just like, I don't care about this degree of stuff, but I suppose when we have this story where it's like an Internet personality of little and ill repute is now being accused of major securities fraud. I'm like, now there's an interesting story, because I really do. I was talking about this morning with. Do you guys remember overly attached girlfriend? You know, props to her. She was, I think, the first person who took being a meme and turned it into something to make money off of. Because you had that stoned guy meme and you had the thumbs up guy meme. And. And they were just memes and they had no idea what happened. When she did the overly attached girlfriend thing, she leaned into it, made accounts, and then started using it to make money. After slowly, she started getting less and less traction and people paid attention less and less because she really didn't have a lot to offer other than she made a funny video this one time. Well, she made a couple of them, but she just drifted away. And now she's got a ton of followers and she posts online when she does, and she mostly just does it as a side thing. And that's what happens. I think we're gonna see a lot of people who, they're not gonna wanna let go of the golden goose. They're gonna, they're gonna fly too close to the sun. They're gonna reach up and they're gonna say, I cannot lose this. And they're going to commit crimes to make money.

[Shane Cashman]

So I saw bumper stickers for this girl in Nashville. I was shocked that they even sold them and that people bought them. Could not believe it. Wow, there they were.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let's stop talking about her and talk about this story from the Post. Millennial Missouri could consider a plan to offer bounty for reporting illegal immigrants. The legislation would create the Missouri Illegal Alien Certified Bounty Hunter Program, which would certify anyone licensed as a bail bond agent to be a bounty hun to search for and detain illegal immigrants. Yo, they're gonna make a new dog. The Illegal Immigrant Bounty Hunter Show.

[Phil Labonte]

Thankfully, they say only for reporting. I don't, I don't like the idea what.

[Tim Pool]

It says detain.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, man. Well, that's a terrible idea.

[Tim Pool]

It's. Yeah, it says detain.

[Amber Duke]

There's a lot of illegal immigrant gang members in the country right now where I don't want lay people running around trying to.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. These are licensed bond agents. So these are, these are like your bounty hunters who are armed and have teams and go out. They would have the ability to. I mean, this is kind of wild.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, if it is. If they are like teams that go out and they try to detain the wrong illegal immigrants, it's going to turn into a big old gunfight.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But you know what? These guys are going to do their research, hopefully. So bounty hunters know who they're going after and they know it can be dangerous. So they're looking up a guy's name and this guy skipped his bail. We're going to go find him and bring him back in and we're going to, we're going to get his bond or get a piece of it or whatever. If they're going after an illegal immigrant or something, it's going to be a lot easier than that. They're going to walk into an IHOP or something. And I bring up IHOP. Don't get mad at me, IHOP, because a couple of IHOPs out here by us recently got raided by immigration. You saw that?

[Shane Cashman]

I saw the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because the owner was hiring illegal immigrant laborers and they got raided.

[Amber Duke]

So they're just gonna cook your pancakes now. Oh, I got a liberal.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta pull up this tweet while we're on the story. But it's even better than that. I think Bethany Mandel had a really, really good tweet because she was mocking Matthew Iglesias because liberals are racist. Let me see if I can. I got it. Here it is. So Matthew Iglesias tweets, trump flation killing me at Shake Shack. And I don't think deporting the delivery guy is going to help. And then he posted his receipt. And Bethany Mandel said, peak progressive virtue signaling is tipping your delivery driver 10% while assuming your driver is illegal and complaining that if he's deported, you can't keep paying him below a living wage.

[Shane Cashman]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Anyway, these bounty hunters are going to have. It's going to be easier than ever. There's not. They're not going to go to cartels. They're going to walk into an IHOP and they're going to be like, licensed and bonded bounty hunters.

[Amber Duke]

If that's. We're taking those guys in, I'm all in. This sounds great. Let's do it. Yeah, let's take some of the burden off of ice, off of the National Guard, off of. And then this would also help. If you do this in states where they're not allowing local and state police to cooperate with ice, that'd be a nice little private.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this is the market. It's just Missouri.

[Amber Duke]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

But you know, you know, the left is going to say. They're going to say that the right has created immigrant patrols to hunt down refugees and asylum seekers and put them in camps.

[Amber Duke]

They're going to say that anyway.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

Well, who does it?

[Tim Pool]

Right? Right. But. But they're going to hearken this to slave patrols. They're going to say, this is how it starts. Oh, geez. Oh, no. Then considering what we saw with that CEO.

[Amber Duke]

Well, one of my favorite pieces of rhetoric post election was the Democrats saying that their Hispanic friends who voted for Donald Trump are not going to be laughing anymore when they get deported. It's like, do you think all Hispanics are illegal?

[Phil Labonte]

That's the way they talk.

[Amber Duke]

And also, did you just admit that illegal aliens voted in the election. It's like a nice twofer there.

[Phil Labonte]

So dumb.

[Tim Pool]

Just.

[Phil Labonte]

It's such a. I mean, you can't expect, like, coherent ideas out of people that engage in this kind of, you know, rhetoric and stuff. But it's real dumb, man. It's real dumb.

[Shane Cashman]

That's why I don't see them changing anytime soon. They're incapable of. See of any, like, reflection. They're always right. Everyone, even if everyone voted the wrong way against them, everyone else is wrong. The media hasn't learned their lesson. All their institutions are failing. They'll continue to fail. I don't see them. I don't know when it's going to happen, when they actually learn.

[Phil Labonte]

That's why I think there needs to be a change in the, the actual people that are, you know, in positions of authority on the, on the. At least the Democrats, you know, in the Democrat Party, whether you call them on the left or not.

[Shane Cashman]

You don't think Pelosi's good or.

[Phil Labonte]

Pelosi, she's really good at stock trading.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

And her husband. Great.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that Cenk was right that it really is the donate the donors that kind of call the shots. And I feel like the donors are the ones that kind of need to wake up and be like, all right, the progressives are hurting the Democrats, but to the donors, they don't really care if it's Democrats or Republicans. Right. For so long, the Republicans were thought of as the. The party of big business, of the rich and stuff like that. And in the past 15 years, that is entirely. 15, 20 years, that has entirely changed that kind of the meme of Democrats being the party of big money and big donors hasn't caught up yet. But that's where it is right now. So, like, that's the truth right now. And so it's not like. It's not like it matters to the donors.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

They'll just pay. They'll donate to whoever's going to be the ones that are going to, you know, protect their interests.

[Amber Duke]

Well, and it's cyclical because the ones who are in power are going to be the ones who bring in the most donations.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that makes, that makes perfect sense. So, I mean, I don't know if it's going to be immediate or in the next, you know, cycle or whatever, but I mean, I understand the people that are like, oh, you know, we want to get money out of politics. I don't know that you do that without the kind of changes that Donald Trump has brought up and is trying to do. But at the same time, there's a lot of money stacked against him doing it.

[Shane Cashman]

And the left would scream about being like, you're saying anti corporate stuff. Even in the past few years with Hillary or Biden. Meanwhile, Wall street was completely backing both those people.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep. I mean, to the tune of a billion dollars. Remember, Barack Obama spent a billion dollars. He didn't get that just from grassroots funding. You know, he got that for big, you know, big dinners that cost $50,000 a plate. You know, he got that from, from Pax donating. Same thing with Hillary Clinton, $1 billion. Kamala Harris, $1 billion. I don't know what, what Joe Biden spent, but I'm sure that it was a lot of Money. So in 2016, 2020 and 2024, Donald Trump was outspent all three times. He was the underdog when it came to the fiscal side of it.

[Amber Duke]

And one of the big reasons why that money doesn't translate to votes for the Democrats, besides the obvious policy issues, is that Obama moved a lot of the party infrastructure and took it with him in regards to the data operation after he left office in 2016. And the DNC was left basically having to rebuild their entire operation without Obama's help. And so like the dnc, for example, does not really even do micro targeting at this point. They don't even really believe in it as a science. The Republican Party micro targeted the hell out of this election. So they get voters based on demographics. Republicans get voters based on individuals and policies.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, I want you to be right. I want to believe that. And I want to see, you know, conservatives have continued positive results at the ballot box. Because I do believe that the, I mean, just look at the way that markets have reacted, you know, since Donald Trump has been elected and the foreign leaders. Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

And just anecdotally, during the last election, I was getting text messages every three or four days from the Kamala campaign from progressive activist groups asking me to go out and door knock for Kamala Harris. Why? Because I'm a 30 year old white woman living in Northern Virginia. Okay. Pull up my voting history or like anything about me. The fact that I'm a faithful Catholic who attends mass weekly. You would figure out pretty quick that I'm not going to knock doors for you.

[Shane Cashman]

Joe Biden is a Catholic.

[Tim Pool]

You know, you do. When they're, when they, when I get text messages from Democrats, I just, just want to talk for as long as possible about everything. You know, I'm a very interested voter. Just wants to hear Everything they have to say, I'll take a long time, and in that time, you're probably not gonna be able to talk to anybody else. But I'm listening. I'm listening.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Don't they have. What companies are now putting up AI to intercept spam calls and people are now. Oh, yeah, I've realized they're talking to AI.

[Tim Pool]

It's so obvious we're not there yet, though.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. I think for some people. Like, elderly people.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. They probably don't know yet, unfortunately, man. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Dude, it's gonna get so bad. Like, the AI videos that are already coming out are already getting crazy.

[Shane Cashman]

It's not good.

[Tim Pool]

Like, Danny Palace. Chuck's AI videos are, I think, intentionally not that lifelike. Like, you can tell Trump's mouth's moving in the wrong way or whatever. Right. They're hilarious. But these videos popping up where, like, Joe Biden was holding up a liquor store, they look like AI for now, but in a year you're not going to know the difference.

[Shane Cashman]

Look, how much has changed in two years?

[Amber Duke]

And haven't there been reports of elderly people getting phone calls with AI voices that sound like their family members?

[Shane Cashman]

I will be surprised.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. No, no, no. And then they say, like, help, I'm trapped.

[Amber Duke]

I need money. Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

I'm really excited because I was talking to this one dude who works in tech, and he was saying that within a year, we can fully automate Tim Kast.

[Shane Cashman]

That's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. You literally just type in. You'll grab 10 different news stories that you want for the show, and you'll just drop them into a box and click, generate, and then it'll render the video, and then you're done.

[Shane Cashman]

Reject it, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

And it's gonna be funny because people will be watching and it'll be seemingly normal until all of a sudden, like, Shane's on the ceiling and then he's back in the chair again and. Yeah, how did we not catch that? His hand has fought. His has five fingers and a thumb.

[Shane Cashman]

By that point, though, it'll be perfect. You know, like, the hands that. That seems to be a thing of the past.

[Tim Pool]

Like, he'll turn into a lizard mid show and then turn right back. Have you knew it? Have you seen those fake videos people make where it's like Skin Walkers uncovered? And it's like it's an AI video, but it looks real. And it'll be like a woman standing there and then she'll turn and turn. As she turns, she becomes a dog or whatever. Yeah, there's so many of those videos on Instagram.

[Shane Cashman]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And they're creepy and weird. It's a fun horror short. But they're going to be old people who believe this.

[Shane Cashman]

There will be young people eventually too.

[Tim Pool]

That's true. I was talking to some dude who said that he has family members that are gone. Yeah, gone. Like they watch these videos and they think they're genuinely are lizard people who have taken over.

[Shane Cashman]

Well no, that's true. It's just don't believe the AI ones.

[Amber Duke]

I do think that young people though are have a harder time with Internet reality versus fiction because like when I was growing up we had these, these classes at our library where we had to learn how to determine like what was real on the Internet and like proper sources to use. And apparently they just don't do any of that anymore. They don't have computer labs anymore. So if you talk to people who are employing Gen Z people and even like older gen Alpha people at this point, they literally do not know how to use computers. They only know how to use phones. Like they don't even know. I had to teach my intern this summer like Control C, Control V, shortcuts for copy paste. It's actually quite scary. They, they like genuinely do not know anything beyond like typing on their phone and watching TikTok.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Shane Cashman]

What's it like with grammar and stuff?

[Amber Duke]

Not good. Really not good.

[Shane Cashman]

But do they just don't teach. You don't think they teach it anymore?

[Amber Duke]

I don't think they do teach fundamental grammar. No. I mean just based on the resumes that I get and the writing samples when I'm hiring people and I think.

[Shane Cashman]

That'S important and I know you do.

[Amber Duke]

Too because it makes my job harder. People don't know how to write.

[Shane Cashman]

I think a lot of people don't care anymore about those basics which is, you know, that's just an indictment of where society is. Right.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah. Well. And certainly when we continually move towards more short form content, it doesn't seem as important.

[Shane Cashman]

Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you think that the. That writing, you know, writing long form stuff is going to be a skill that that is going to be common in the future or do you think.

[Tim Pool]

It'S not common now?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well, I mean, fair enough.

[Amber Duke]

The popularity could come back though. I mean going back to the AI hook it that is possible. And there are some websites that already do this where they give you the option to read the article out loud.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

And that's the way a lot of people do consume long form content. If they, if AI gets Better at reading long form articles to people and they can listen to it like a podcast, then maybe, you know.

[Tim Pool]

But the problem with long form is the culture in media where they'll go to a journalist and say, we want. Can you write us 10,000 words about the current war in Ukraine? And they'll be like, yes. And so the title will be like, the Darkest Hours of Ukraine, the Forefront of the War and its Current Developments. And I'll see a headline like that and I'll be like, oh, wow, what's going on? And I'll click it and the first paragraph will be like. It was a dark night. Grass was blowing at my feet, and I looked up to the sky. Wind. A man approached me slowly and I looked him in the eyes and he said, ukraine. And that's what I knew. And I'm like, what is this? Where's the news? I can't stand these news outlets that are like, the writers clearly didn't want to work in news but couldn't find a job anywhere else. So instead of being like, in Ukraine right now, for the past several years, there's been an ongoing war in this region, in that region. And I'm like, tell me more. It's like some dude writing a novel about his experience, I think.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, I'm biased because I'm the one who writes the novel articles that are a million words long. But I think people should have an appetite for the articles you want the objective to straight up news, but also long form essays, which is why Substack is doing so well.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah, I mean, if Tucker Carlson's old articles, before he really became a television broadcaster, he is an incredible writer. Highly recommend. Like, we don't really have anybody that writes like that anymore. And I would say the other problem with the long form content is that you have people assigned to these type of essays, but they don't even actually go to the place that they're writing about.

[Phil Labonte]

Where should people, where should people go if they're like actually interested in learning how to write like that?

[Shane Cashman]

Ah, not school, but Shane.

[Tim Pool]

Shane.

[Amber Duke]

Reading the journalism school applications I get are the worst.

[Shane Cashman]

Don't go to journalism school. Yes.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You're saying you want to write like that, but when you write like a gonzo piece about how you went to go meet with Civil War historians who are telling the story and you say, like, you know, I'm driving down this road and there's a man, that's a story. I totally understand.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

But when the New York Times is supposed to be writing about like, the current developments of the Biden pardon. And it starts with being like. The headline will be like, joe Biden issues pardon for son outrage in the Beltway. And it starts with like two paragraphs telling me a story about the current weather and Mike's. And I was standing there before the Supreme Court and realized this country was in trouble. And I'm like, shut up. Just.

[Amber Duke]

Australia is famous for bearing the lead.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

And activists hijacked long form journalism. BuzzFeed.

[Tim Pool]

I made a lot of money on my BuzzFeed stock. So you don't dispatch.

[Shane Cashman]

Sorry, sorry. But Vice did it. And I wrote for Vice too, very long articles. But they got hijacked by activists who will try to write, you want to get that information. But then they'll spend three paragraphs telling you on their identity and all this other stuff that they learned in their horrible journalism school, which I taught at for a while. So I get that it's rotting from the inside.

[Tim Pool]

Am I, Am I. Is there any regulation about me stating my current gains from buzzfeed? I don't know how, like, person. I don't. Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

[Shane Cashman]

Hayley Welch.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, she seems to know because I bought a bunch of BuzzFeed stock when Vivek, like, so here's the story I bring up quite a bit. We watch the news all the time. We read the news nonstop. And so it's kind of wild that a story. I learn about the moment the story breaks, the minute it's published. Then of course I'm going to try and fact check to the best of my ability. But usually we kind of just trust the media, and that's a fact. I mean, whether for better or for worse. And then it's like, people I know will hear about it a month later. So I started saying, like, why aren't I buying stocks? Because, you know, we saw the Nancy Pelosi Nvidia purchase. Nancy Pelosi just bought a ton of Nvidia. And I was like, that's funny. That's going to skyrocket. And then didn't buy any. And then it skyrocketed and people are gonna say it's gonna collapse. And it did drop a bit, but still. So when, when Tesla tanked, it dropped down from like 300, like 113 or whatever. Because Elon was talking about buying Twitter. I was like, okay, that's not real. The stock is not going down because anything having to do with the company, it's going down because of the PR around Elon and fears of what the CEO might do. So I bought a bunch of Tesla. Boy, am I happy. So when Vivek announced he was buying BuzzFeed and having these meetings, I was like, okay. And then I just bought a bunch. I haven't. I don't talk to any of these people about or anything like that. I just. I was like, I'll buy some. And I don't know, conflict of interest, I guess. Just so everybody knows, I have buzzfeed stock. But it's. It's been going pretty well since. Since Vivek got involved. Buzzfeed stocks way up. Let me see. What the.

[Shane Cashman]

What is buzzfeed doing right now?

[Tim Pool]

I have no idea. They put out 125% return.

[Shane Cashman]

Wow. On Listicles, I guess. What are they doing?

[Amber Duke]

They did kill their news division a couple of years ago.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that was hilarious.

[Shane Cashman]

But they.

[Tim Pool]

What? What?

[Shane Cashman]

Big break.

[Tim Pool]

They. They publish Steel Dossier.

[Shane Cashman]

Steel Dossier.

[Tim Pool]

SC and, oh, I got to.

[Amber Duke]

Smith got rewarded with a cushy job at the New York Times for it.

[Tim Pool]

I want to. I want to give a shout out to a good friend, Ben Smith. You know, he. When he apologizes for this, then maybe I'll stop saying it. But there was a story a few years ago where, remember the Popeyes chicken sandwich came out and everybody wanted to get one. So good BuzzFeed News ran a story or BuzzFeed, whatever, I don't know which which outlet it was, that a man was stabbed to death over a Popeye's chicken sandwich. They wrote this story claiming that a guy went to Popeyes and was in line for chicken sandwich, and a fight broke out and he got stabbed, death and died. And that's not the story at all. The story was a guy at a Popeyes got stabbed to death, but it had nothing to do with the pop chicken sandwich. This guy had gone to Popeyes and I guess someone had cut him in line, and so he told the guy, like, what are you doing, man? You can't cut me in line. Had nothing to do with chicken sandwich. And the guy said something like, let's take it outside. And as soon as he went outside, the guy killed him. His family was pissed. They were like, this is a black man that buzzfeed has that the media is claiming died over a chicken sandwich. It's not true. It was. It was an issue of the violence we see in these communities where people feel disrespected. And instead of dealing with being, you know, cut in line or having someone be mad about it and just talking it out and letting someone order their food. This guy decided to murder our family member. So I. I hit a buzzfeed rather calmly, like, hey, Ben, you guys ran the story claiming a black man was killed over a chicken sandwich. I just wanted to know that's not true. And he refused to correct it. He didn't. He. He. Because he didn't care. It was. It was. I can't remember exactly what he said, but he said something like, it's true enough, or something to that effect. And I'm like, this is the problem with these companies. They don't give a crap if they're telling you the truth in context. There's no problem for them to have written that story. And then said, upon further review, family members came out and said this was nothing to do with the chicken sandwich. They could have even made a headline being like, racist outlets accuse black men of dying over chicken sandwich. They just wanted the story. It was shocking, it was funny to them, and they did not care. That's what's wrong with those organizations.

[Shane Cashman]

Yep. And that's why they're failing.

[Tim Pool]

Another example is when I worked at Fusion, and Ghost in the Shell came out, and they wanted to be angry that Scarlett Johansson was playing the Major who's supposed to be a Japanese woman. And the fan base actually said a premise of the show is that you can have a prosthetic body. So in this movie, Ghost in the Shell, this. Your person dies, and then her consciousness is transported into a prosthetic body because it's the future and your brain is cybernetic. And they were like, well, but it's a white woman. And I was like, yeah, but, like, part of the idea of the show is transcending identity. Like, there's literally a line in Ghost in the Shell where one of the guys asks the Major why she prefers female bodies when you can choose any prosthetic body. And I'm like, so this actually, it really does fit. And they were like, yeah, but we're gonna go ahead and write it anyway. And I was like, I'm a fan of Ghost in the show, and they don't care. They just want to write the garbage and make the money. Then when they show a retraction, when they get things wrong, they make money off that too. That's the secret. If the New York Times writes fake news and gets a million views and then they get threatened with a lawsuit, they retract it. The retraction is an article as well. That makes money, too. Maybe not so much for the New York Times. Because they're mostly subscriber driven. But for some of these outlets that run ads, they love it. I'll be like, we'll get a million on the article that's fake, and then we'll get 50,000 on the retraction. All of its views.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Shane Cashman]

They don't care.

[Phil Labonte]

It doesn't matter. Just so long as people look at it. You know that.

[Shane Cashman]

Because I don't think people even read it, though. You know, it's like headlines.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

They'll really.

[Shane Cashman]

The caricature of the headline.

[Phil Labonte]

But if they get the click, that's all that they care about because. Oh, you know, the secret.

[Tim Pool]

The secret of the Huffington Post was that people just argued in the comments. That's the secret.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So they. And then when having to post, announce at one point they were going to get rid of their comment section, people were like, wow. Because the sort of like the insider journalism organization secret was everybody knew that was really driving page views was that people wanted to argue with, you know, conservatives and liberals were fighting with each other.

[Shane Cashman]

Was that something you think Breitbart was a part of with the comment stuff, or is that.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. But this is. This is before Twitter.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So you're on the Internet. Huffington Post emerges. Yeah, it sounds official. They post an article and there's comments where you can say, this is dumb. This politician should do this. And then you can respond and say you're dumb. Then we have Twitter.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Once Twitter came up, came about, that became the Internet's comment sections.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

So true. That is what the. That is what Twitter really is. It's like, it's the comment section for like the whole Internet.

[Shane Cashman]

For the collective consciousness.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Really.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, it used to be, you know, people would say, oh, don't go read. Don't read the comments. Because they're always full of vitriol. Because angry people are the ones that generally comment. And as soon as Twitter was created, it's like, okay, this is.

[Shane Cashman]

I love the comments.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[Shane Cashman]

Especially the angry ones.

[Phil Labonte]

I think they're hilarious.

[Amber Duke]

I always read them.

[Shane Cashman]

I love them. They make me happy.

[Amber Duke]

I feel like you get a little out of touch if you're not regular regularly reading the comments.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. And sometimes I was through Timcast, the second book I did, we were serializing it. It. And it would be narrated on YouTube as well, piece by piece. And sometimes I got some, like, I got something wrong about, like, I think it was a amount of miles between one place and another, and I was like, oh, thanks. And it was almost like a fact check. And I fixed it for the book. So. I appreciate comments. Yeah, all of them. Good, bad, ugly, I mean, send them my way.

[Phil Labonte]

Any comments on, you know, on X I appreciate. Especially if you're verified and mad. Those are always good.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Did you see that? You can, you can see how many followers you have that are verified now.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, it is. Looked at it yet?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you got to go to your analytics and you can look. And then this explains why all these liberals are getting angry because they're not making any money. And then their engagement farmers are making tons of money.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I thought they were taking care of that. To some engagement farming was a negative thing now, but.

[Tim Pool]

But you know, I'll clarify. There are people who do dumb things where it's like, waffles are better than pancakes. Discuss. And people get really annoyed by this stuff. Or they'll like talk about news, but frame it in a question to generate what do you say?

[Amber Duke]

Or they post photos and they're like, what do you notice about this photo?

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Amber Duke]

And there's literally nothing in the photo and people just start speculating in the comments. Yeah, those drive me nuts.

[Tim Pool]

Well, one thing that's gonna make you a lot of money on X is posting the blue and gold dress and saying what color is it? Then you're gonna get 800, 000 comments. And that's the thing getting ratioed is money. Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

That guy murdered his wife, I believe, from the blue and white dress.

[Tim Pool]

What? Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Ended in a murder eventually.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

What?

[Shane Cashman]

No, I couldn't be from another dimension right now with a different set of timeline, but I'm pretty sure in this timeline that guy ended up.

[Tim Pool]

Elaborate.

[Shane Cashman]

That's all I know. What guy from that picture who posted the picture I think murdered his wife. I hope I'm right right now. I didn't slip through some portal on the way here.

[Phil Labonte]

It's a terrible story.

[Shane Cashman]

I know it is, but he brings it up. You can't not.

[Tim Pool]

Oh my gosh, he tried.

[Shane Cashman]

Okay, okay, so in my timeline he killed her, but this one, he tried.

[Tim Pool]

Man whose mother in law's blue and black dress went viral. Charged with trying to kill wife. Wow.

[Shane Cashman]

Speak about speaking of viral moments that lead to insanity.

[Tim Pool]

You know, after Joe pardoned his son Hunter, I was just thinking like, how many more historically unprecedented things can we handle in one year?

[Shane Cashman]

Better knock on wood.

[Tim Pool]

No, don't knock on wood. I want more. It's fun. Aliens were supposed to invade the other day. That didn't happen. They did. We just.

[Shane Cashman]

Just haven't noticed yet.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there was that video of that woman where she saw, like, a meteor break through the atmosphere. But those happen all the time. Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

And people are seeing all those weird drones.

[Tim Pool]

Drones.

[Shane Cashman]

Jersey or Virginia or both.

[Tim Pool]

Jersey. The weird drones flying every. That stuff.

[Shane Cashman]

But then there's that stuff in D.C. that was happening. Clearly just planes.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it was a bunch of planes.

[Shane Cashman]

Over D.C. just planes and lens flares. You know, like J.J. abrams lens flare. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, hey, if I have not identified the plane, it is unidentified and flying.

[Shane Cashman]

That's fair.

[Tim Pool]

Is an object.

[Shane Cashman]

That is fair. That is fair. But there are. There's weird things going on, for sure.

[Tim Pool]

Like what?

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, where do you want to start? We have a cyborg king who's in our administration right now.

[Phil Labonte]

What are you talking about?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, He's a cyborg.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, Cyborg king. I love what he says, but I'm worried about our government absorbing AI I'm worried about. I want to strip away the government to nothing. But I'm worried about implementing an AI Government, because it's like a bigger version of what we're talking about. With the 90% error rate for UnitedHealth.

[Tim Pool]

We'Re not ready for AI. Like, our AI is too stupid that we know about. I think even the AI that they have at higher levels is still too stupid.

[Shane Cashman]

But they're using AI at war right now. You know, like the lavender stuff is predicted. Or programmatic policing, where they're letting the AI determine who they should take out.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's like Captain America, Winter Soldier.

[Shane Cashman]

Right, right.

[Tim Pool]

Literally, the bad guys were trying to implement an AI that would target people they thought were right. Deviant.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, it was like the movie yesterday. But it's. That's reality.

[Tim Pool]

Right, but what I'm saying is, if you want to implement an AI Government, we don't have that AI level yet. And we might get there soon with AGI, Artificial General Intelligence. But right now, you don't have it. What's going to happen is you're going to make an AI that says, hey, we want it. We want to make government more efficient. What will it do? It'll create a bunch of bloated bills, overspend, and then bankrupt the country and open our borders. All it's going to do is look at what humans have done and then say, this is the way government should work. And we're all sitting here being like, no, it should not work.

[Shane Cashman]

Don't put Gemini in charge. The wrong one.

[Phil Labonte]

The fact that AI is progressing in. There are so many companies working on it is why I bought a lot of Nvidia stock.

[Shane Cashman]

Do you worry about it ruining the music industry?

[Phil Labonte]

AI? Yeah, well, I think the music industry is already ruined.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And besides streaming and stuff, AI AI is destroying what's left.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. True, true. There's a vulture.

[Phil Labonte]

But there's still creative stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Phil Labonte]

Like so Sleep Token is a love sleep. They're a great band, very creative. They really do cross a lot of genres. I think that it's really cool that a lot of modern actors are, are not limited to genre the way that they used to be. There's a lot more crossover in different styles of music that's coming together. But the music industry itself is just. It's a. It's a flaming pile.

[Tim Pool]

I think trash. I think music's music's been largely solved as a problem for a long time mathematically. And there were a few viral videos. There was one famous viral video like 10 years ago where a guy who was a big music producer explained how they make pop stars and how they make the songs and then the trends in music. There was one video I watched where music producer explained. I forgot what it's called, but it was the OEO trend that we saw in music for a while where all of these big songs and it's like basically what happens is there's a. A certain song that will get a lot of attention and they'll remake it 800 times in ways that's hard for you to recognize. But we can see it when we're doing the mix and in the background beats per minute, the key of the song, the, the pacing, the time, all of that stuff. And it's all the same. There was one viral video like I think this was like 15 years ago where a guy took some random woman who could not sing and then made a pop video explaining how fake and manufactured everything is. So this was a. When I was a kid, remember when like lip syncing was just hell worthy trespass or whatever?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Now it's expected now another backing tracks and you'll see a singer on stage not singing and then just do a few lines and then. And it's normal and it's allowed.

[Shane Cashman]

Milli Vanilli need a redemption arc now. Girl, you know those guys. I'm sorry, it's ridiculous, but that is the norm now.

[Tim Pool]

It's ridiculous, but I think mathematically music solved and they figured out how to make the most mentally appealing array of sound mathematically.

[Phil Labonte]

That's, that's Part of good.

[Tim Pool]

But, but AI has just cranked it up to the millionth degree.

[Phil Labonte]

That's part of why I think theatrics have become such a big factor in live music today. Whether you're dealing with bands like in this moment or a band at least in the, in the. In hard rock and stuff like that. In this moment. Bands like Sleep Token Lock Loose On Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Pyrotechnics.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. There's that kind of stuff. The whole like the way that Rammstein puts on their, their shows and stuff. Marilyn Manson there. These are all acts that they're not just music. You know. In the 90s there was such a backlash against the theatrics of the 80s. Everybody wanted to come out wearing their dad's sweater and baggy dripped jeans and just play their instrument. And that was the focus. Nowadays it's totally different. And if you don't have something that sets you apart from the other, from other bands, something that's memorable, even if you have good songs and good music, it's tough to get some kind of traction.

[Shane Cashman]

Thinking of Phil and Salmo saying we don't have dragons coming out of this. Were you thinking, I saw it in your.

[Phil Labonte]

I love that, I love that that quote. And, and I'm, you know, I'm a huge fan of Pantera and that's, you know, that would. They were a big influence on like the way that all that remains presented ourselves for a long, long time. You know, we were just like, we're not gonna get dressed up. You know, it's like I would go on stage wearing shorts and just a cut off sleeve T shirt, you know, and, and there are bands like Kill Switch Engage. Adam would wear ridiculous things because he was making fun of bands that would get dressed up in theatrical stuff. And he, you know, he would literally wear a tutu. Like there were times where he'd. He'd wear a cape.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, just to look silly and, and. But nowadays new bands, you really need some kind of. Something to stand out. Yeah. To set. Set you apart.

[Shane Cashman]

I saw Black Dia Murder in Fat suits.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Now rest in peace Trevor with like I. I use SUNO a lot, the AI Music generator. And if you have it, make a song with lyrics and words. It'll kind of be really, you know, not very good. The minus, like it's a song but the lyrics are usually the cheesiest of dirt rhyming and you know, rhyming you with you and things like that. But if you don't put in any lyrics and ask it to make an instrumental song. It will make an amazing instrumental song. Yeah, that in my view, like the. One of the key components of the music industry is making music for video, for intros, for outros, skate videos. For instance, I'm talking to the crew here and I'm like, we don't need to license music anymore. If we're looking for backtrack backing tracks, just go on Suno, type in the kind of song you want, hit, render, and it'll give you a minute to two minutes of a song you can use for the background of anything you need. It's crazy done and it costs like a dollar, right? So now the musician used to sit in his room and make these songs and was making, you know, a living done.

[Phil Labonte]

This is something that, that I have harped on forever. If you're going to be a musician or if you want to be a musician, like you need to tell stories, you need to. There. There has to be more than just the music because, you know, I mean, you want to have a cool beat, you want to have a melody that people remember. But when you write lyrics that speak to people that people can relate to, like, that's what people will keep coming back to listen to. Our biggest song is a love song. And we're not thought of as like that kind of band. We're thought of as a heavy metal band and I'm a screamer and blah blah, blah. But our biggest song is still what if I Was Nothing? And that's, you know, that song was literally about an argument me and my ex wife had at the time. Yeah. Because people can. People can. People can relate. And that's really what you're trying to do. You're trying to relate to people. So. So if you're. If you're an aspiring artist, go out and live life. There was this other. There's an artist that I was. That I was friends with that I was also friends with her producer. And we were talking about some of the stuff that they were doing and they had some really cool stuff. And there was this great line and it was. She was a female artist. And one of the lines they had was F. F my safe word. Don't you stop. Because she wanted to be like an LA grungy dirty kind of thing, but she wasn't genuinely that person. They were like, what do you. What does she need to do? They asked me like, what do you think she needs to do? And I was like, she needs to go get on heroin for a year. And Then get off of it. Because she was young and she didn't have a lot of experiences, she knew, go and live life and have something to actually write about that people could relate with.

[Amber Duke]

I saw a really interesting video of from Ben Affleck, of all people, recently talking about AI in movies. And he said something about how AI can't account for taste. And that's the one area where humans will always have the competitive advantage is knowing when to stop. You don't agree?

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely not.

[Amber Duke]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

He's looking at AI as it is now. So you can't do that. I make this point quite a bit. If you go on my Instagram and scroll way back to two years ago and look at the early AI generated image of Nancy Pelosi, it looks like a caricature grotesque image. If right now, and it was a year later I brought this up, you could render a full, normal looking picture of her today. It's. You can make a full video of her purchasing $15 ice cream. And it looks real. So Ben Affleck's looking at the modern iteration of AI video and being like, ah, but it doesn't understand taste. Humans are gonna. Nope.

[Amber Duke]

I don't know. I just don't think you can replicate art with a machine.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

What I'm seeing, when I ever have these conversations with pro AI people. Cause I don't participate in AI, but look at music.

[Amber Duke]

Music, music.

[Tim Pool]

Music's done.

[Shane Cashman]

But there's people who don't care.

[Amber Duke]

I don't agree with that, actually. I mean, so I'm a huge country music fan. And one of the biggest things that's happened in the country music industry recently is that there are a huge. There's a huge growth of independent artists outside of the national Nashville machine that have gained amazing traction for exactly doing exactly what Phil's talking about. Telling stories. Like you look at people like Charles Wesley Godwin, Wyatt Flores, Colter Wall. Exactly. And they're incredible.

[Tim Pool]

And the AI is going to take them all. Analyze how long someone listens to one part of the song. It doesn't just know what song you like. It knows when you're like. If you're playing the song on your phone, it's got the camera looking into your eyes and it knows what part of the song triggered an emotional response.

[Amber Duke]

How do you replicate Charles Wesley Godwin walking through the streets of West Virginia and seeing street graffiti on a bridge and making a story out of it? It.

[Tim Pool]

The AI literally will just do that. What do you mean?

[Amber Duke]

Because that's. That's a unique Concept.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

And you come from real lived experience.

[Tim Pool]

But you don't know that. Use a leftist term, but you don't know that's real. So if I told a story, if I wrote a song where I said how I was, you know, driving in the. In the back country in West Virginia, and I saw an injured dog, and I. I got out and he came up to me and he was scared, and I brought him in my car, and then we drove down and I looked for a vet, but he didn't have an owner, so I decided to adopt him. People. But, wow, I made all that up. It's not real. You know, this really, really bummed me out. The song the Freshman by the Verve. By the Verve Pipe. It's totally fake. And that's why a lot of artists always said, never tell people what the song's about, because they'll get bummed. Because when you listen to that song, it's about dudes. And, like, these people who are early in college and this guy's girlfriend commits suicide, and now they don't know how to react to it. And he's like, he never really wept. And it's not our fault. We're not responsible for this. And then when you ask him about it, he's like, I was just writing a story. And it's like, well, it was a really great song. It's kind of a bummer because you thought it was real, but it wasn't. AI is going to analyze that to the T and it's going to replicate it.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely.

[Shane Cashman]

What's going to happen is when it becomes indistinguishable, like what you're saying, people are going to start debating with themselves and others, does it matter? To me? Like, it matters. But then they'll say, if you can't tell.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

Why does it matter?

[Tim Pool]

Look at. Look at Nirvana. Yeah, it. When it Smells like Teen Spirit, those lyrics are gibberish.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And I met a producer when I lived in Seattle who had worked with early Nirvana, and he said that Kurt would often just groan melodies and then scribble random words to fit the melody structure because he liked the way the song was. That's it. And I was like, sounds about right. Some of the songs are legit. Like, early Nirvana did have songs that were about things. Some of them were obviously just gibberish, you know, like.

[Phil Labonte]

But that isn't. That is an anomaly, you know, like, it is. You're right. About. About, like, a lot of their stuff was. Was just gobbledygook. But at the same Time like that. That isn't something that happens all the time. Just like the song Hook by.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, dude.

[Phil Labonte]

It's a great song, but literally he's saying, it doesn't matter what I say. So you can, like, there. There is, you know, substance to the argument that it can be faked. But if you're telling a story that people can relate to you do you know, people do care. Because, I mean, I've. I've had thousands and thousands of people come up to me and say, this song really helped me through a hard time in my life.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

And I guess my point about country music and the way that that industry is changing is that there was a genuine appetite for something that wasn't overly produced. Radio BS about trucks and guns and pushing. Right. Like, people wanted a real human emotion expressed in their songs. And luckily you had all these amazing artists out there who were doing that and got famous because of it.

[Tim Pool]

So we're gonna go to super chats. Before we do, I have a prepared statement. We have to be very careful. Uh, many are wondering what's going on pertaining to the lawsuit that I filed in defamation over the Harris campaign, which is ongoing. And I have this to say, quote, we have some positive updates coming in the lawsuit. I can't speak on it just yet, but more info is coming. So that's all I can say for now. But I will stress again, we have some positive updates coming. I can't say much on that, but stay tuned and you will hear something soon. All right, let's grab super chats. Make sure you smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Head over to timcast.com because we're going to hang out in that members only uncensored show. Kyle N Says, love the show. Keep it the good work, everybody. Really do appreciate it. Death from afar and fishing says two more days, Tim. And December 7, 1941, when all the people came together in the attacks of Pearl Harbor. What a brutal, brutal and awful day. Oh, Japan. They made a mistake. They made a big mistake. Jason Dixon says if she don't hawk to her, I don't talk to her. You're supposed to put talk to her, talk to her.

[Phil Labonte]

Missed the opportunity.

[Tim Pool]

El Rojo says Tim, the reason the gun malfunctioned is because tilt barrel pistols like the Glock require a booster when suppressed to cycle properly. Subsonic rounds don't have enough energy to cycle the slide. Indeed. We were talking about this the other day and if I rewatched it again and it does look like he tries to fire and then cycles it and then fires, which is indicative of him not just shooting, cycling, shooting, cycling. He does try and it doesn't work. So interesting. Samurai says, tim, did you ever think Cenk came on your show to see how Tim cast works on the inside and steel production ideas? No. And I also don't care if he did. If Cenk came on the show and came here and said, tim, explain to me how everything works and how your production is, I'd be like, here we go, here's how we do it. This is the way we operate. You know, I like Elon Musk. He says they don't have patents. Have you seen him talk about this?

[Shane Cashman]

Because no one can steal it. Yeah, that's what he says.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's like, good luck.

[Shane Cashman]

Is this from a breakaway civilization?

[Tim Pool]

I was on a bus, man, how long was 13 years ago, and I was working on an app with a small startup group. And so I'm hanging out with a friend on a bus in LA and I'm explaining what our company does and it's like, here's the plan, here's what we're going to do. And basically, it was actable before ActBlue existed. And I really wish we actually got it off the ground, but as it goes with young upstarts, it usually just doesn't. But the idea was like, how can we facilitate digital donations to politicians and create this network? And so we started building and things like that. And so I'm sitting on a bus and I'm talking to my friend and she goes, stop, stop, stop, stop. Someone's going to hear you. And I look around at everyone on the bus and I'm like, you think these people are going to steal my idea? Like, this is the wrong attitude to have. And so many people who are entrepreneurs are terrified to say what their ideas because, like, someone's going to steal it. I'll tell you exactly what happens. If you go meet with an investor, they're going to say, what's your idea? And if you can act, if you can articulate your idea effectively, they're going to say, okay, what do you need to make it work? They're not going to go, that's a great idea. I'm going to write it down and have someone else do it. Because then they're going to be saying, I'm going to invest more money in trying to figure out your vision that I don't have because the idea makes sense. No, they're going to be like, I'll just hire you. What do you want? How much should I give you? People don't understand that these incubators, they'll give you 50 grand for 30% of your company and then say, here's 50 grand. Make your vision happen. Come back to me when the money runs out. Make it work. That's a huge chunk of your company. For not that much money for a startup. They're not going to steal your idea. They're going to hire you to make it right. But people get scared. You know, if Jake Cooper came here and was like, you know, I. It's funny because, you know what's really funny about Jenkins 2014, I. Yeah, I think it's like 2014, I meet up with him in Los Angeles. Like, I saw him at VidCon shake his hand. And we're talking and I'm talking about doing YouTube stuff and what I'm seeing. And I was talking about how I tried running ads on Young Turks because we were promoing a documentary and it wouldn't work. And he's like, really? And he was like, what happened? Like, And I'm explaining, like, how much we bid, why we. Like, I was like, here's our total budget amount. Here's what we bid. And we want it to run on Young Turks because it was politically minded individuals in the space. This is well before the Trump era, so things weren't that crazy. He was totally cool. Two, three years later, he's screaming in my face at Politicon about being a maga. Trump guy just blew up in my face, screaming. And now we're seven years later and he's coming on the show and he's saying, oh, it's. Everything's back to normal. I'm just like, okay, dude, well, you know, whatever, man. All right, let's see. Must mustak. Rakish says, how do you think Taylor would feel if someone posted a picture of Daniel Pearl and said, we want more of this? Followed by her own photo? Who's that?

[Shane Cashman]

That's the guy who got his head taken off.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the journalist.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, oh, yeah, dude. She'd be screaming the far right. And then. And they said, look, I'm not saying I want it, but it's the public sentiment. They don't like the press. That's true. All right. Jacob Ali says Georgian prime minister has started his brutal crackdown on the pro EU protesters. He called in the military to start wiping out protesters. He just stated he would gladly use torture to do so. Evil.

[Phil Labonte]

Yikes.

[Tim Pool]

Wow, that's crazy. Saravia says manga, anime, live movie, parasite The Maxim featured mothers protecting their child, including human eating parasite that gave birth to a human baby. Is that the one where like the aliens. Have you seen this one? So it's like, like the aliens will come and infect your head and then they look normal, but their head can mutate into a gigantic alien weird thing and it takes over your body. But then in the anime, in the manga, I think it is the alien that infects this one guy accidentally gets his hand. So his hand is like a weird alien thing but he has full control of his body. Something like that. I. I think seven years ago aliens came to this planet and infected the minds of a large portion of this population. And that's why their IQs have dropped so precipitously. I'm kidding by the way. But it's very much like. What is it called? Invasion.

[Amber Duke]

Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. Invasion by Nicole Kidman with Nicole Kidman from 2007 where an astronaut comes back with a fungal parasite that infects at you. If it affects you and you go to sleep, your the hormones you release in REM sleep activate the fungus which then turns you into a hive alien controlled and they vomit on people to spread the disease. Pretty sure Rick and Morty made fun of the film, did a parody of it. And then in the movie they find a. They develop a vaccine and cure everybody. But it really does feel like that happened, doesn't it?

[Shane Cashman]

Oh yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Around the COVID lockdowns.

[Shane Cashman]

Vision of the Body Snatchers for sure. If you watch that, I know that one quite well. That's where we're living.

[Tim Pool]

That's when what's his face goes.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah, he just passed away. Southerland.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He points and screams famously. Let's go. Poly Per says you feel better about yourself when you have a job. My father worked until 80 and my grandfather worked until 94. Even though both didn't have to. Yeah, the. So there's that documentary HBO did like 20 years ago about blue zones. I think it was HBO. These are areas where people live to be over 100. They said there are seven things they identified that they believe leads to longevity. One of which is they only eat till they're 80% full. They never eat till they're full and. But the most important thing was they have purpose. And so there's this one scene where there's like this old 90 year old Japanese guy chopping wood and they ask him, why are you doing this? Shouldn't someone younger be doing this? He's like What? No one will do this if I don't do it. No one will do it. I have to do it it. And so that's why he's alive, because he has to do it. I think that's a component of. Correct me if I'm wrong too. Isn't it true that if babies aren't touched, they die?

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Amber Duke]

Skin to skin contact is hugely important in the early hours of a child's.

[Tim Pool]

Life, but not just in the early hours. I heard that I could be wrong, but I've heard that if, like you leave a baby unattended for a short, for like a moderately short period of time, and I'm not saying like for a few minutes and I'm. But I'm not. It's. It's like the baby won't starve to death if it's deprived of human contact. It just dies. You've heard that?

[Shane Cashman]

I, I've. I haven't heard that, but I've. I know of stories from back home of babies. The infants being abandoned in hotels for like days and still making it.

[Phil Labonte]

Really.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

How old are how old infants?

[Shane Cashman]

Like just born. Just born and left in a toilet. Yeah, it was a horrible story.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

The cop, actually.

[Tim Pool]

So I just Google, Google it. Physical touch, emotional connection and social interaction. Without this, the babies can suffer severe consequences, including death.

[Shane Cashman]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

If deprived of human conduct. I always thought that was really interesting, because an otherwise healthy baby that has enough energy within it to survive would just die if deprived of contact. And these are probably very specific circumstances if they do tend to happen at whatever rate. But then hearing about how people who don't have jobs, people who retire, have the highest rate of mortality, it feels like an evolutionary component within humans to basically. What did, what did Ian call it? Apoptosis. What it's called when cells self destruct if they've become damaged or useless. So it would make sense from an evolutionary standpoint, if you're an old person, if you're an older person and you're in a tribe of people and you're not doing any work or contributing, you are, you are a drag on the energy requirements of that tribe. So it makes sense that your body would be like shutting down. That tribes where the people who are no longer contributing pass on quickly are more successful than tribes of people where they have to maintain a large elderly population. So maybe that's why people who work and that's also why babies who are deprived of human contact just cease being alive. Yeah, because they're not part of the Tribe. They're not growing. It's not an efficient use of energy resources.

[Shane Cashman]

It's why lockdowns were so destructive.

[Tim Pool]

The world. All right, Jen Desai says the ACA mandates health insurance companies can only use 20% of premiums to pay for their operations. 80% has to go to health care. Look up ACA 8020 rule. ACA wrecked health insurance. Interesting.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Harry Lawrence says UHD is part of Optum. Optum made mucho money by implementing the Obama portal for the aca. Then each state also hired them to create their portals as well. The ACA made all of this get worse for everybody. Yo, I was pissed when they. When they introduced the individual mandates. You remember that?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I was like, dude, I don't make enough money to be forced to pay for this. And so now they're basically like, well, you have to sign up and pay this per month. Like, can't. And they're like, don't worry. We'll tax you at the end of the year. And I'm like, so I don't get health care and I lose money. That's awesome. Thanks, scumbags.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

I had to go on the healthcare exchange when I first started working at the Spectator because they weren't incorporated in the US yet, so they could only offer healthcare to their UK employees. And it was $1,200 in a monthly premium for, like, a normal PPO plan.

[Phil Labonte]

I had health insurance.

[Amber Duke]

I was 27 and healthy. Like, not on any medication. Nothing.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep. I had health insurance through my ex wife's company, and they stopped providing for families. And. And it was. It was extremely expensive to. To buy it. I don't remember exactly what it was back then, but it was. It was ridiculous. And, you know, it was. It was a mess of a policy.

[Shane Cashman]

So by our third kid, we were like, we're not going to the hospital this time. We're doing this at home. Screw it all. And it was way better. Much better experience.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, that's good.

[Shane Cashman]

Not everyone can do it, you know.

[Phil Labonte]

No, like, we.

[Shane Cashman]

When we were with our first, we didn't know anything better. We didn't know about home births like that. But now, you know, on our third, it was. It was great and a little cheaper.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know that I would want the first to be a home birth, but if you're talking about second and third, I. I think that it's probably more likely because I just feel like there's more things that can go wrong. And also the lack of experience, the first one, it's like you just need.

[Shane Cashman]

Someone in the hospital to advocate for you to not go through all the stuff that they force you that they, they think they can force you to do.

[Phil Labonte]

So.

[Amber Duke]

True.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Because they try to do everything.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, sure, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

You got to just go in there being like, nope. And you could do that. It's your baby.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Illuminati says UnitedHealth is facing lawsuits alleging patients died as a result of medical malpractice, denying them life saving care they were entitled to. The industry has been getting away with murder for far too long. I do not disagree. Yeah, insurance companies, the big pharma companies, the whole healthcare industry is a mess. It's a disaster. But the problems are not solved by these vigilante people in the streets doing messed up ish, if you know what I mean.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We need, there's, there is a solution to what ails us and it is getting in a Cash Patel, getting in a Donald Trump. We are so close to at least the opening of the gates of a populist victory. With Donald Trump's second term and the people he's already chosen. Heg Seth is sounding pretty good. We'll see. A lot of these people seem fairly moderate. They're not the heart. Like Matt Gaetz was the nuclear bomb. Cash Patel is not some crazy, unhinged, burn the FBI down kind of guy. He's fairly moderate. He didn't say he's going to fire the FBI. He didn't say he's going to abolish it. He said he's going to go have him solve crimes. So they should be happy with that. And Hegseth is not some hippie libertarian anti war guy either. But he's going to listen to our soldiers. He's going to do a better job of it with what's going in the healthcare industry. You look at the power that the people on X have when they express their opinions and Trump listens like when he got rid of Chronister. I'm saying we are so close to seeing major victories and reformation and accountability. The stupidest thing anybody could do is engage in violence like this if it is ideologically driven. These leftists are nuts. They're just going to ruin everything.

[Shane Cashman]

That's what they're good at.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Maybe that's the point. People are crazy. All right. Shooter McKevin says let's not forget that Taylor Lorenz's uncle Runs is involved with the Internet archive and allegedly wiped her upper class history. Ironic on the celebration, but you don't need to be related to someone for that. There's. You could hire a service. And they're not expensive. I mean, they're more expensive. Like the average person's not going to pay for it. But for the average public figure, you pay a couple grand and a company will go and just wipe the Internet of your existence.

[Shane Cashman]

Still interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. All right, everybody. Smash that, like, button. Share the show with everyone you know. Become a member [e-mail] do it. We're gonna have that members only uncensored show. We're gonna hang out, we're gonna talk to you guys as members. And of course, if you become a member of Tim Cass, at least $25, not only do you jump the line and get to submit questions immediately, but I hereby decree you're a doctor. For whatever that's worth. You can put doctor in your name because I said so. All right, everybody, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Check out the members only on Century show coming up. Amber, do you want to shout anything out?

[Amber Duke]

Absolutely. You can follow me on X at AmberMarieDuke and also check out my book, the Snowflakes Revolt that's available on Amazon Bookshop or wherever you buy your books.

[Tim Pool]

Awesome.

[Shane Cashman]

Awesome. You can find me everywhere at Shane Cashman. And the show is on Sundays at 6pm Eastern, Inverter World Live. We'll see you there.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. You can subscribe to me there. I'm Phil that remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on Apple Music, Pandora, Spotify, Amazon Music, YouTube and Deezer. We have four new videos out. Forever cold let you go. No tomorrow on Divine. And don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see all of [e-mail] in about a minute. Thanks for hanging out.

[Amber Duke]

All right, we're all set for the party. I've trimmed the tree, hung the mistletoe, and paired all those weird shaped knives and forks with the appropriate cheeses. And I plugged in the Bartesian.

[Phil Labonte]

Bartesian.

[Amber Duke]

It's a home cocktail maker that makes over 60 premium cocktails, plus a whole lot of seasonal favorites too. I just got it for 50 off, so how about a Cosmopolitan or a mistletoe margarita?

[Tim Pool]

I'm thirsty.

[Phil Labonte]

Watch.

[Amber Duke]

I just pop in a capsule, choose my strength and wow, it's beginning to.

[Phil Labonte]

Feel more seasonal in here already.

[Amber Duke]

If your holiday party doesn't have a bartender, then you become the bartender.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm.

[Amber Duke]

Unless you've got a Bartesian because Bartesian crafts every cocktail perfectly in as little as 30 seconds. And I just got it for $50 off.

[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

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