Leftist NO KINGS Protest Begins, Antifa EMBEDS, Riots & Violence FEARED Nationwide w/ Graham Linehan

Summary

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Episode: Leftist NO KINGS Protest Begins, Antifa EMBEDS, Riots & Violence FEARED Nationwide w/ Graham Linehan
Date: October 18, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Notable Guests: Graham Linehan (UK/Irish sitcom writer), Taylor Hansen (field reporter/documentarian), Libby Emmons (Post Millennial), Seamus Coughlin (FreedomToons), Ian Crossland

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Overview

This packed episode explores the imminent “No Kings” protest movement, fears over embedded Antifa violence, and wider issues of societal decay, cultural subversion, and tech-enabled chaos. The panel features British TV writer and activist Graham Linehan, who discusses his own arrest in the UK over ‘transphobic’ tweets, as well as field journalist Taylor Hansen and several regular Timcast IRL contributors.

Topics include the generational divide fueling protests, the contradictory nature of leftist activism, media manipulation, Antifa organization, attacks on meritocracy and tradition, and a deep-dive into marketing deception by the company Liquid Death. Throughout, the panel debates the causes and likely outcomes of rising political tensions in the US, UK, and Ireland.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. The ‘No Kings’ Protests and Threat of Violence

[12:19–19:22]

• Tim previews the nationwide “No Kings” protests aimed at Trump, expected to draw millions and potentially devolve into riots, due to protracted legal and law-enforcement constraints (e.g. National Guard not allowed, police barred from riot control).
• Chicago highlighted as a particular flashpoint with recent vehicle attacks on federal officers.
• Panel muses on the odd demographic makeup of daytime protestors (mainly elderly “boomer” leftists), and the likely escalation to Antifa violence after dark.
• The anti-Trump messaging is seen as a straw man: “This No Kings thing, the thing that I think is crazy about it is it’s such a strawman protest name. There are no kings. Trump is not a king.” (Libby Emmons, 14:59)
• Panel speculates on the psychology: boomers rebelling without a cause, devoid of substantive reasoning ("They just don't really like the guy, they don't like his tone of voice." Libby, 16:24).

2. Generational Divide & Media Manipulation

[18:09–21:59]

• Explores why boomer-generation protestors are so susceptible to corporate media narratives: “When you’re arguing with a lot of these people, you’re actually arguing with the television set.” (Seamus Coughlin, 19:22)
• Graham notes rapid social change in Ireland, with open borders policies outpacing public discussion.
• Media suppression of debate and book-banning in Ireland highlighted ("My memoir was hidden in bookshops…" Graham Linehan, 24:14).

3. Graham Linehan on Free Speech Suppression

[6:27–9:04]

• Graham recounts his recent arrest at a UK airport over tweets critical of trans activists, noting the increasing criminalization of speech and shifting police priorities (“Their role now is not to catch bad guys. They're working for bad guys.” Graham, 8:00).
• Cites lack of media coverage and suppressive climate: “It is like the whole place is just lying by omission.” (Graham, 27:06)

4. Antifa Embeddedness & Leftist Contradictions

[36:00–44:53]

• Discussion of how Antifa embeds with otherwise peaceful protest movements, and the ongoing media gaslighting about whether Antifa “exists” as an organized group ("It's terrifying how Jimmy Kimmel brazenly lies about Antifa not existing." Tim Pool, 36:53).
• Taylor Hansen, having documented Antifa, describes real-world training and organization.
• Panel highlights leftist contradictions (e.g. “Queers for Palestine”), and the incoherency of aligning with regimes or groups antagonistic to LGTBQ rights: “They wouldn’t survive a second in most, you know, Islamic countries.” (Graham, 20:38)

5. The Collapse of Liberalism & Rise of Technocracy

[41:28–45:23]

• Ian Crossland opines that WEF-style corporate governance (corporatocracy) is displacing classical liberalism, with both communist and corporate factions vying for control.
• Societal decay analyzed as “queering society” and subverting long-standing traditions.
• Discussion of liberal meritocracy being replaced by an emphasis on identity and activism.

6. Cultural Manipulation & Entertainment Industry Capture

[37:20–39:17]

• Libby Emmons recounts Kamala Harris instructing writers and creators to inject progressive values into media.
• Seamus and Libby discuss the left’s mastery of storytelling as propaganda, calling for counter-efforts like Seamus’s animated show “Twisted Plots.”
• Cultural phenomena (e.g. Grandpa Simpson “queer-washed” for diversity points) cited as evidence of declining, derivative creative output.

7. Trans Issue as the “Peak Dividing Line”

[54:58–56:33]

• Wide agreement that views on transgender ideology mark the primary line between left and right, eclipsing even tax, health care, and abortion debates ("If you say men can't be women, you're far right." Tim Pool, 55:17).
• Panel connects societal confusion around gender and sex to earlier sexual revolution and its academic architects (e.g. Kinsey, John Money).

8. Weakness of Modern Institutions & the Fourth Turning

[84:06–86:22]

• Tim describes the cyclical “Fourth Turning” theory (80-year crisis cycles) and current markers of cultural rot and weakness (“fat, lazy, and incompetent” generations).
• Graham draws parallel to the social chaos after the invention of the printing press, framing the internet as a destabilizing, civilization-altering force.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

On the ‘No Kings’ protest:

• “Chicago is the hotbed… and you can’t have barriers around the ICE facility… It’s a powder keg and they’ve lit a match.”
  — Tim Pool, [17:21]

On trans activism and speech:

• “Their role now is not to catch bad guys. They're working for bad guys. And they are basically keeping an increasingly angry and frightened population under control.”
  — Graham Linehan, [8:00]

On boomer protesters:

• “80 is the new 20, basically. And they are still rebelling against this generation that they feel has kept them down … even though this was the wealthiest generation.”
  — Libby Emmons, [13:27]

On Antifa:

• “Ask any journalist who's actually covered Portland, Chicago… They are organized cells, and they identify that way as well when it's convenient for them...”
  — Taylor Hansen, [39:17]
• “It’s actually scary that Jimmy Kimmel can brazenly lie about this stuff.”
  — Tim Pool, [36:53]

On leftist contradictions:

• “The famous one—the queers for Palestine thing—you know, like, they wouldn’t survive a second in most Islamic countries.”
  — Graham Linehan, [20:38]

On the collapse of liberalism:

• “Liberalism is getting obliterated ... so do you want a communist technocracy or a corporatocratic technocracy?”
  — Ian Crossland, [43:13]

On cultural war & story-based propaganda:

• “We can't win the culture war if we're not making culture.”
  — Seamus Coughlin, [38:24]

On the core dividing lines:

• “The trans issue is the peak of the mountain. You could be pro-progressive tax, pro-choice, universal health care… and if you say men can’t be women, you're far right.”
  — Tim Pool, [55:17]

On institutions and societal decline:

• “When a large enough group of people who are really stupid … become a large enough political faction, your society will break down.”
  — Tim Pool, [80:30]
• “The printing press, total mistake... after [it], I believe there was a hundred years of pure chaos…”
  — Graham Linehan, [85:17]

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Detailed Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |--------------|-------------------------------------------------------| | 12:18–14:59 | “No Kings” Protests: Demographic humor, strawman critique, boomer psychology | | 17:21–19:22 | Security concerns for October 19 protests, law enforcement limited | | 36:00–37:18 | Antifa calls for “embedded” members, organized violence, mainstream media denial | | 41:28–45:23 | Discussion on collapse of liberalism, technocracy, anti-nationalism, WEF/corporatocracy | | 54:58–56:33 | Defining the trans debate as the peak dividing issue of the day | | 84:06–86:22 | Historical cyclical theory, the “Fourth Turning”, internet’s transformative impact | | 86:22–90:00+ | Critique of environmental marketing and the Liquid Death controversy |

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Noteworthy Moments

• Graham Linehan’s Airport Arrest ([6:27–9:04]): Detailed retelling, reflects UK/Western suppression of dissent against trans activism.
• Antifa Embeddedness ([36:00–39:17]): Taylor Hansen exposes media denial vs. underground organizing “cells,” notes firearm training.
• Culture War via Storytelling ([38:24–39:15]): Seamus and Libby discuss the necessity of countering leftist narrative supremacy in media and animation.
• Liquid Death Showdown ([89:15–109:44]): Tim Pool confronts the CEO live about misleading marketing—“death to plastic”—and exposes the use and misrepresentation of plastic liners in cans, triggering a $1 million charity bet.

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Conclusion

The episode weaves the looming risk of real-world violence (via protests and Antifa infiltration) with philosophical and practical critiques of the left’s increasing dominance of culture, language, and institutions. The panel sees Western societies as gripped by manufactured crises—egged on by both aging radicals and cynical elites, abetted by captured media and tech-driven social chaos. Amid warnings of historic cycles of decline, there is a recurring call for independent culture-making and exposure of corporate and ideological deception.

Listen for: Humor in generational ribbing, hard-hitting analysis of speech suppression, cultural strategy, the nature and organization of Antifa, and a demonstration of media’s reality-warping power. For those interested in societal fractures at the intersection of culture, tech, and politics, it’s a thought-provoking, rapid-fire tour.

Transcript

[Graham Linehan]

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[Libby Emmons]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Libby Emmons]

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[Graham Linehan]

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[Libby Emmons]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Graham Linehan]

So what are we having for lunch?

[Libby Emmons]

Dude, my work here is done.

[Tim Pool]

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A federal judge says DHS in Chicago have to wear body cams, DHS can't have barriers around their facilities and Trump can't deploy National Guard, creating a pile of tinder for tomorrow's protests. Now, the protests have actually already started, so we don't know exactly what's going to happen, but people are already showing up, which is they actually kind of wild. Now aside from that, we got a few other stories. Supreme Court is actually there's an appeal from Trump, the Supreme Court over the use of the National Guard, which could change the game nationwide. Making a determination from the court as to whether or not Trump can federalize and deploy National Guard without invoking the Insurrection Act. I think if Trump loses that he will then invoke the Insurrection Act. And of course you've got the Wall Street Journal warning Trump allies, quote, you are not safe. Well, I figured that when they murdered Charlie Kirk, so sure. But the argument they're making is that you're not safe from Trump. Oh, please. We are not safe because far left extremists have been getting increasingly more and more violent and it's bifurcating. So it's going to get particularly weird tomorrow. Now, before we get into all that, we got a couple great sponsors for you got Beam Dream my friends. Head over to shop b e a m.com Tim Pool and pick up your Beam Dream. I am the biggest fan of Beam. They, they, they give me a script to read. I don't need it because I love this stuff so much. I drink it every single night. It's got L theanine, magnesium, melatonin in it. The magnesium is really what helped me. I zeroed in on that because I skate a lot. I would get really bad cramps. It would affect my sleep. Even when I wasn't exercising too heavily, I'd wake up tossing and turning. I started drinking Beam Dream every night and my sleep score for my sleep eight mattress skyrocketed. I'm now averaging like 90 to 95 or better. 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[Graham Linehan]

Hey, hello.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Graham Linehan]

I was a stand. I was a sitcom writer, pretty successful in the UK for a number of years. And then the left went insane and sort of achieved cultural dominance over there. And. Yeah, I, I just got into trouble for saying that men shouldn't be in women's rape crisis centers and sports.

[Tim Pool]

They arrested you?

[Graham Linehan]

They arrested me recently, yeah, at the airport. Five armed officers. The plane stopped. I, you know, you know, when a plane stops, usually everyone's just out of their seat. We were all told to stay in our seats, you know, and, and I was looking around with everyone else. Oh, this is interesting, what's going on here? And, and then they called my name, you know, so I thought I immediately knew what it was and I went out and there were five there. And I've been met at airports by police before. In New Zealand, they were just there just to make sure. Well, they're probably keeping an eye on me, but they're also trying to make sure that there was no trouble at any of the events we did. So we worked with them quite closely. But here they just brought me to a side area and just said, you're under arrest, you know, and you're not British. No, I'm Irish.

[Tim Pool]

People. A lot of, a lot of people assume that you are a British citizen being arrested. No, this is a foreign country arresting you. You're just a tourist then, in the uk?

[Graham Linehan]

Well, I don't know. I wouldn't, I wouldn't go that far. I lived in the UK for, for most of my life, you know, and I did make a career there. I paid taxes there. Still pay taxes there. I'm trying to get even worse for.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Them to arrest you. These people, they lock you up.

[Graham Linehan]

I paid for my own detainment. Yeah, yeah. And, but anyway, they got me to the, to the cell. They told me there were three tweets that had got me into trouble. One of which said something like, if, if a man is in a, is a, if a trans identified man is in a female only space, he's committing an Abus said call, make a scene, called cops, and if all else fails, punch him in the balls, you know, and that was a joke. That was a joke about the height differential. And, and it was like another joke about the fact that most of these guys are calling themselves trans, but they're not transsexuals, they're cross dressers. So, you know, when I wrote the joke, I thought that covers a few things. Good, good work for the day. But this guy complained, made it all about himself, and at the moment the police in the uk, they, they are just, they. They've changed their role. Their. Their role now is not to catch bad guys. They're working for bad guys. And they are basically keeping a increasingly angry and frightened population under control, you know?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll get into it in greater detail for sure as we, as we go through the show. So I appreciate you hanging out. It's gonna be a lot of fun. We've got another.

[Graham Linehan]

Thanks for the invite.

[Tim Pool]

We got someone who snuck here today. He somehow managed to. Yeah, how did you. What's going on?

[Taylor Hansen]

Oh, well, I'm Taylor Hansen and I am a field reporter and documentarian and we did a nice little show screening today. We'll keep it at that, but.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, happy to be here.

[Taylor Hansen]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You planning on sticking around for the riots tomorrow?

[Taylor Hansen]

I wish my flight out. I might have to extend my flight. I don't think anything will happen in D.C. if I do go. It's going to have to be Chicago.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Chicago is the hotbed. We'll talk about in a second.

[Seamus Coughlin]

SHEAMUS SINGING OUT My name is Seamus Coughlin. I have created over 600 animated cartoons with my team because you can't win the culture war if you're not making culture. And as I'm sure, sure you've all noticed, our media is dominated by far leftists who hate our country, who hate our way of life, who hate our faith, and who hate our families. And they've been slowly chipping away at that through propaganda for decades. So myself and my team have entered the fight. We're making a half hour long TV length show that we're just going to post online. Our pilot's already finished. It's 25 minutes long. If you guys go over to twisted plots.com and support the show, you'll get access to it.

[Tim Pool]

We'll.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We have many years of experience creating cartoons. We've got the experience, we've got the track record, we've got the team. If you give us your support, we will be unstoppable. Go over to twisted plots.com and support the mission.

[Tim Pool]

If 250 people give Seamus $1,000 each, he's done.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's true. We are. We're halfway there, or halfway there.

[Tim Pool]

25 people giving $10,000.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's true. That could also happen, or easily. You could go and give whatever amount you're able to give to help us reach this goal and join the fight.

[Tim Pool]

Libby's hanging out.

[Libby Emmons]

I am hanging out. I'm Libby Ammons. I'm glad to Be here. I'm the editor with the Post. Millennial. After Seamus's big pitch, I just want to say I threw in for Seamus's show.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you.

[Libby Emmons]

You should too.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you. And of course, there's one person who's sighting.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm gonna invest my time in Seamus.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Thank you, brother.

[Graham Linehan]

It was worth it.

[Ian Crossland]

I've been studying AI, you guys. Sora. Sora's new a. You can upload your face to Sora. I take like 30 seconds. And that.

[Tim Pool]

That. That pool water commercial you made was nuts.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, my gosh. Maybe we can play it crazy up in 15 seconds. So you go to Sora.com and your voice to make me do anything.

[Tim Pool]

Your voice? Yeah. How did you. That's crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

30 seconds of you saying numbers and then turning your head.

[Tim Pool]

And you have an account on Sora.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You need a code for that though. Don't you know?

[Ian Crossland]

I signed up a Sora. Then I got chat pro because you can make higher definition 15 second videos. But man, put your face in because.

[Tim Pool]

So when I've tried signing up for Sora too, and it was like, you need a code to upgrade.

[Ian Crossland]

I can send you one then.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. My. Okay, good. Let me get it.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, my gosh. Sam Altman, who runs chap like OpenAI says in two years, anyone's going to be able make video of anyone doing anything.

[Tim Pool]

Movies, bro.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I don't like it. Well, and I'm going to be like, I want. I want.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't like it either. Definitely don't like it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm going to make it.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to make a Spider man movie. Where Spider man is Seamus, dude, put.

[Ian Crossland]

Your face in soil basically.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Already is.

[Ian Crossland]

It's.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Ian Crossland]

Jake Paul's in it, so get your face in now. I mean, I think the ethos is true. We are all going to be able to make videos of everyone doing anything with open source AI. So get ahead of the curve and.

[Tim Pool]

You send me a code right now.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

On. On Slack.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right. We're going to. We're going to get. Let's do the show. We have a show to do, right?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Beautiful.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the story from Fox News. Millions expected to flood the streets at no Kings protest targeting Trump across all 50 states. More than 2,500 no Kings events are planned across all 50 states. And they've actually already begun. Take a look at this video, which I hope doesn't get us in trouble. We don't need that. This guy's wearing a maid. French maid outfit, says Tylenol on It.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And this is who I expected to be there, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

And does he have furry ears?

[Seamus Coughlin]

If I was doing a cast, he's.

[Tim Pool]

Got furry ears, too.

[Taylor Hansen]

Lip piercings as well.

[Tim Pool]

I am a paid antifa terrorist, described as a. As a grandma.

[Graham Linehan]

She admits it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. Paid by Social Security. What's my money going towards? This is crazy, man. When I hosted the show and you were gone last Thursday, we were talking about the no Kings protests and where they were going to be. And I called it out. I said, so all these little dots. This is a map of every nursing home in the United States. And you look at the video. Turns out I was completely correct.

[Taylor Hansen]

During the daytime, it's like 80%. Like, there's insufferable boomers that hate their children. It's nighttime comes out. And then antifa.

[Libby Emmons]

But also, they think they're still rebelling against their parents.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes.

[Taylor Hansen]

You know that your parents are dead.

[Libby Emmons]

Their parents are dead. But they still think that, first of all, they have not accepted that they have aged substantially. So they think that, you know, 80 is the new 20, basically. And they are still rebelling against this generation that they feel has kept them down. Even though this was the. The boomers were the wealthiest generation who tucked aside the most wealth, who are not going to have to trouble their kids for the most part to pay for their old age and don't even want to see us on top of everything else. Like, they don't even want to be part of what we've got going on.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, it's very sad to see, man. Because, listen, there are obviously some super cool boomers. My parents are from the boomer generation. Right. I got. I got no hate to anyone based on when they were born. Lots of cool boomers. But it drives me crazy when you have these old hippie boomers who are like, I did everything I could to fight for birth control. Where are my grandkids? Like, do you not understand what you spent your life doing? Like, do you know how you changed the country that you live in?

[Libby Emmons]

No. But then there's. I don't think you're aware of this. There's all these boomer grandparents who are too busy traveling the world to spend any time with their grandparents at all. And they're just not that interested in their. In their grandkids. Rather, they just don't want to go visit them. I've talked to other friends of mine who are my age. We all have kids, and it's like, where's your mom? I have no idea. Japan, maybe. I don't know.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, and it's this funny thing too, because, like, when boomers complain about millennials and zoomers, I'll also be like, I totally hear you. I totally hear you guys. You did raise them. But I hit. Like. I agree with the criticisms on both sides. Unfortunately, man, you got bad people in every gener.

[Libby Emmons]

This no Kings thing, the thing that I think is crazy about it is it's such a strawman protest name. There are no kings. Trump is not a king. He knows he's not a king. None of us who voted for Trump thought he was gonna be a king. We know that he's not a king. We don't know.

[Taylor Hansen]

I wish he was a king.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, Libby, you gotta remember, that's why.

[Graham Linehan]

I found the name confusing. I always thought, oh, this must be. Yeah, I didn't know which side it was coming from.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I can actually clarify.

[Libby Emmons]

They have to call it the no Tyrants protest because they have a king.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, exactly. And I can kind of clarify why it's called no kings. Like, the average age here was around when we rebelled against King George. So to them, it's really important that there isn't another monarchy in the US.

[Graham Linehan]

But isn't it strange? I mean, even with all the, all the explanations about the way boomers have gone a bit crazy, I mean, they, they, they really. There's a kind of a viciousness and an aggressiveness that I guess you see slightly mirrored in the antifa side. But it's. I think it comes from what you' the straw man aspect, because they're not really fighting against anything substantial. There's not been, maybe ice, maybe the ICE deportations, maybe they could have an argument about it. But, but, you know, he didn't even. We were saying earlier, he caught all the top 10 most wanted in this first few hundred days, I think, I believe, you know, he seems to have sorted out Israel and the Palestinians, at least temporarily. What are you, you know, what's. What, what, what are they arguing? What are they worried about?

[Libby Emmons]

They don't know. I mean, that's the thing is, if you actually go through and start trying to former hippies on what it is that they hate about Trump, you'll say, are you for open borders? No. Do you think men should be playing women's sports? Well, for the most part, they say no. You ask them these questions, do you think that our culture should be destroyed by immigration? Do you think there should be no assimilation? What do you think? And eventually it all comes down to they just don't really like the guy, they don't like his tone of voice. They don't like the way he says things. And when they say things, like, they'll say, well, he's deporting American citizens. And you'll be like, oh, the Louisiana man who was actually an immigrant who, it turns out, fought for the side of Gaza on October 7th. That guy who they arrested yesterday, this Maryland guy who's actually a gang member. No, they don't have any information. They're very low information, and they just don't like them.

[Tim Pool]

The risk for tomorrow is that all of these factors, it's like a recipe in a cauldron. You can't have the National Guard, they said Chicago police will not respond to assist federal law enforcement. They cannot have riot control munitions. They can't use those without certain. Under certain. Under certain circumstances. And they can't have barriers around the ICE facility. It's all of these rules have put in place in the past couple of weeks, which basically are saying. And on top of this about them.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, well.

[Tim Pool]

And you have the cartels offering bounties on these guys.

[Libby Emmons]

And you saw they took the fence down in Broadview.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly, that's what I'm saying. They can't have the barriers. So right now the cartels are like 50 GS ahead, and police won't respond. They can't do anything about it tomorrow. Is all of these things throwing the cauldron. It's a powder keg and they've. And they've lit a match.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. Well, I think going back to the fact that a lot of these people, unfortunately, uncritically trust the media, one thing we take for granted is as younger people is that amongst our generation, trusting what you hear on TV is very stupid coded. Like if somebody tells you they get their information from the corporate price, you go like, okay, this guy's kind of dumb. But for older generations, that wasn't necessarily the case because we were in a high trust society where, like, of course, you wouldn't expect that people who had the social infrastructure to communicate the best would be lying to you. My grandfather, God rest his soul, very good man, good Catholic man, very conservative, fought in the Second World War, liberated a concentration camp. Even he, my dad would talk about how he just had a generally negative view of protesters, including protesters who were protesting for good causes, because that was something he got from the media. And his generation just kind of had those blinders. It's less bad for the boomers than it was for the generation above them in many ways, but it's still very much present. They really do believe what they hear on tv. And I'm not the one who coined this term. Someone tweeted this, but they said, you got to remember, when you're arguing with a lot of these people, you're actually arguing with the television set. It's. They are literally just stuck on a loop.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

My hope is that in the future, I'm arguing with the YouTube player. And all they watch is Freedom tunes.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly. They only see freedom Tunes and twisted plots go to twistedplots.com.

[Ian Crossland]

Liberalism used to be pretty awesome until the Internet. Like, these people that actually will call themselves a liberal, I feel like are living in a sort of ignorance about what has happened to liberalism. Liberalism, as far as I see it, is like, you're having a party, your buddy comes over and he's like, hey.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You're like, hey.

[Ian Crossland]

And he's like, hey, I brought a friend of mine from out of town. You're like, hey. And his buddy's like, hey, good to meet you. I have an accent, you know, come on in, meet everybody. He integrates, everybody meets. But when your buddy comes to the party, he's like, I brought some friends. And there's like seven dudes. And one of them's looking at the ground, not making eye contact, not speaking. You're like, come into my party, I guess.

[Tim Pool]

And then that's where we're at now. Hold on, Ian.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You're right.

[Tim Pool]

And then you go, sure, I guess you can come in. We're gonna order pizza. No pizza. Crab juice. We don't have crab juice. I say crab juice.

[Ian Crossland]

And then the cops come running by, and they're like, we saw four guys that wouldn't make eye contact.

[Graham Linehan]

Where did they go?

[Ian Crossland]

And you're like, ah, what does liberalism become?

[Graham Linehan]

So.

[Ian Crossland]

And a lot of people have seen that and just moved away from that ideology. But the Internet is bombarding liberalism. The ideas of liberalism, which are supposed to be acceptant of new concepts, just getting hit from every angle with the global culture war. And then obviously the mass immigration obliterates a liberal society.

[Graham Linehan]

The thing that always confuses me about it is that they can't see the contradictions. Like, you have the famous one. The most, the one that just kind of encapsulates all of it is the queers for Palestine thing, you know, like, they wouldn't survive a second in most, you know, Islamic countries, you know.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, and it's not just that. I mean, the queers for Palestine are also super pro abortion, and abortion is illegal in Gaza. Yeah, you know, you're not allowed to do that. And in most of the Middle Eastern countries, that's not something that you're permitted to do.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But I think servant is religious. No. Well, I think these things actually go hand in hand. I mentioned this before. What a lot of people don't realize about the left is the unfortunate reality is many of these people are just very angry, bloodthirsty people. They hate Christians, they hate innocent life. And so they're going to side with people who they understand to be enemies of Christianity and of the West. Like, it's not a coincidence. It's because. And by the way, I'm not saying that having, like any concern about Palestine automatically makes you one of these people, but I am saying, like, when they say we need to import a bunch of Muslims into first world countries, and it's not because they don't realize that it's going to destroy that country. It's because they want it to happen.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, they actually. They actually seek the destruction of this. We were talking about this last week on Culture War with Andy ngo, and I was just like, why is this, you know, why is it that they want to destroy the West? And that's something that I can't quite figure out.

[Tim Pool]

Demons.

[Libby Emmons]

I mean, you had a great show about demons. That was fascinating.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we're doing another one. We're getting a real exorcist this time.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I was. Oh, really? Yeah, terrifying.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's actually on the screen.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You guys have an exorcist on before? I can't remember.

[Tim Pool]

No, he was just. He was just a priest.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Okay. He was a priest. I knew about demons.

[Tim Pool]

He consulted on demons and exorcisms. But I think that'd be. Let me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. November. November 7th. We're getting an actual exorcist.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Wow, that's.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if you want to be there for that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think I might.

[Tim Pool]

That's the week you're going to be here, isn't it?

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think it's. It's that week or the week after. I need to double check if there's room.

[Ian Crossland]

We should both do that. Yeah, do exercise. Hey, who are you saying about who. Who's destroying the west and doesn't know why?

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, the left seeks to destroy the west and they keep opening all of the doors to do it. And, like, if you look at, you know, if you look at, like the history of Europe and the Crusades and everything that was after, you know, like a century or something of Islamic invasion into Europe. And now we have like Islamic invasion into Europe and into the United States. And it's part of the Quran, I think that says the first thing you do is you go there and then play a victim.

[Tim Pool]

So let's start this conversation off by asking you, Graham Irish, and you were mentioning before the show that it's getting pretty serious in Ireland. We were talking about. You said it was in the city of Cork.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Common name is now Muhammad.

[Graham Linehan]

I'm pretty sure it was Cork. That the most common name is Muhammad. Yeah, yeah. And it just seems to be. There doesn't seem to be any planning behind what's going on. It just seems to be get them in, you know, whatever, whatever you can do, get them in. It's like an emergency.

[Tim Pool]

So the funny. So the funny thing is because you're saying like the left seems to just want to do this. One of the talking points that has been prevalent for the past several years is that Sinn Fein, pronouncing it correctly. They were the party of Ireland for the Irish, weren't they?

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Now, now they're the party of open the gates and let every non Irish person come in.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah. And they're also. They're the party of any, any left wing view that gets them, that they think gets them on the front foot.

[Tim Pool]

That's one way to destroy Irish nationalism, I guess.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, the things they support are just like, like antithetical to. Antithetical to everything they've been fighting for. It's so strange. But they're also, you know, they're also big into the trans thing as well.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And it's like how Irish, like what an Irish tradition.

[Graham Linehan]

Exactly, exactly. But like the biggest problem is not so much like the activists themselves. The problem is the, the media landscape which just has it all locked down so you cannot talk about these things. There's a guy who just brought out a book, I think it's called Vandalizing Ireland, I think is the name of it. And he writes about all this and it's just not being stocked in bookshops. Like my memoir wasn't. My memoir was hidden in bookshops and stuff like this. And when I was arrested the other day, or, sorry, a few weeks ago, there wasn't a report on rte, you know, and I'm the writer of a sitcom that's really beloved by Irish people.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I think well known by even people in the United States.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah. Especially if they're into UK comedy. And Morning Zoe Got Donuts.

[Libby Emmons]

Jeff Bridges. Why are you still living above our garage.

[Graham Linehan]

Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you. Teach me.

[Tim Pool]

So Dana.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh no, I'm not really prepared. I couldn't possibly at t mobile get the new iPhone 17 Pro on them. It's designed to be the most powerful iPhone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system.

[Graham Linehan]

Impressive. Let me try. T mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network. Nice.

[Libby Emmons]

Jeffrey.

[Ian Crossland]

You heard them. T mobile is the best place to get the new iPhone 17 Pro on.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Us with eligible traded in any condition.

[Graham Linehan]

So what are we having for lunch?

[Libby Emmons]

Dude, my work here is done.

[Tim Pool]

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[Graham Linehan]

Data 1x2025 visit t mobile.com but it's, it's crazy. It's just so locked down, you cannot really find out what's going on. And it's not a country that's like the most. Even though we, we, we host a lot of people like Apple and stuff like that. That's another reason why the place has gone very woke, because all their engineers are woke, you know, and it's, it's, it's. They're not the type Irish people, I think now they're kind of turning and they're going to different sources for information. And some of them are good and some of them aren't, you know, so. But unfortunately they have no guidance. They've no, they've no way of knowing what's up and what's down because the Irish media is just not doing their job.

[Tim Pool]

It's.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What is Irish media like, if you don't mind me asking?

[Graham Linehan]

Very woke at the moment. Insanely woke. There was a funny thing where Jimmy Kimmel, when Jimmy Kimmel got his. Got thrown off the show for three days.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Poor guy.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah. This guy who hosts a show over there said, come over here, Jimmy. We'll, we'll let you say anything you want. Anything the. You want, you know.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, edgy.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Graham Linehan]

And, and of course they've, they, they've never invited me on. They've never, never invited Ellen Joyce on, you know, who's a, who's a genius on all this stuff. And, yeah, they. They. They're. I've never seen anything like it. It is like the whole place is just lying by omission.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly. Well, this is funny because one thing you'll hear from people in the UK and these lefties in the UK is they'll go, you know, by European standards, the United States is a far right country. I'm like, yeah, by European standards, not going to jail for Facebook posts is far right. So I'm kind of comfortable with being considered far right by all standards.

[Graham Linehan]

I mean, to be fair, even in the uk, my arrest provoked, like, complete disbelief and disgust.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm glad.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It was actually surprising to me that there was a reaction even among corporate media in the United States, that your arrest was shocking.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There were outlets that. I'm like, these are. These are libs who cheer for this stuff. Are shocked now that you got arrested for your. For your naughty words.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, yeah. No, it's crazy. And, you know, I'm just the most visible. I've. I know so many women who've been thrown in a cell who've had, like. There's one woman, her name is Caroline Farrow. She lives in Sussex, and she's been harassed by the same small group of men for about 10 years.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it's actually interesting. Just before we started the show, I pulled up a clip from Father Ted where there's a sticker on the window. The Chinese guys are walking up, and he's waving to them. But then from their point of view, they see the small mustache, and they call, and he's in the Roman salute. And then they turn around and walk away, and he's like, why are they leaving? Why? Why? And then it turns around and you see him going. The funny thing is, it's a very similar joke to what Count Dankula did. Are you familiar with what?

[Graham Linehan]

Oh, not only am I familiar, I joined in. In his cancellation. When I was in my lefty NPC days.

[Tim Pool]

You saw. You joined in.

[Graham Linehan]

I did. In fact, I did a. I did a. I recorded an apology for his. His roast, and they played it at his roast. And basically, I just believed the narrative, which is that. But at the time, you know, you see, the thing I didn't understand was that every single journalist was lying to me.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Graham Linehan]

And. And there was this thing.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Rookie mistake.

[Graham Linehan]

There was this thing of. Of. Oh, they're using comedy to disguise, but they're actually really Nazis. And I bought it. I just swallowed it because I. Because it was the. It was the media I was, I was consuming, you know.

[Tim Pool]

You know what's crazy is that he was probably inspired by you.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, exactly. And, you know, he was nice and he tried to make approaches and other, other fans of his were nice and, and I just couldn't see it. I couldn't accept it. And I was, I was, I, I think one thing I'm useful for now is that I can see when other people are in that zone where they're just not allowing anything in that will, that will change their mind because they're worried they'll end up on a podcast with Tim Pool.

[Tim Pool]

What, what changed it for you to where you realized they were lying to you?

[Graham Linehan]

I, I'm not. I think it was just seeing how the trans thing was being misreported. It was, it was always, they're taking, they're not letting trans girls play sports. And most people, if you ask them what trans girls means, they think they mean, people mean trans identified women. Right. And they don't.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, because they have these mental acrobats of vocabulary that you have to, you know, jump through all of these hoops to try and understand what's going on.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah. I always say it's a very simple thing, just opposite. Trans means opposite.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly. That's why I always say trans means. It's a prefix indicating is not a.

[Graham Linehan]

Yes. So trans healthcare is, is mutilation.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes.

[Graham Linehan]

Is sterilization. It's the opposite.

[Libby Emmons]

It's not life saving.

[Graham Linehan]

No. Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I was told repeat life shortening.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it is.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah. Like, did, you know, like, for instance, this is one of the things I've learned in the last few years. And again, this, these are type, the type of thing that I thought, I'll tell people this and, and someone will rush in to stop it, you know, and it was that all these young girls who you see on testosterone, right. And the, you know, the young women with mustaches who look like, you know, when they, there's a, there's an effect when they stand next to trans women. It looks like Lord of the Rings because the size difference is so crazy. But, but, but, but, but the serious thing about it is that all these young women have been told they're turning into gay, young gay men. A lot of them are like, like have romanticized gay relationships beyond all, you know, recognition. And so they've been told they'll turn into young gay men. The truth is they're all going to go into menopause too early.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Graham Linehan]

And menopause is no joke, you know, and so all these young Girls have been told, oh, you. You know, you'll be accepted in gay spaces. And, you know, and they're not being accepted either. That's another thing.

[Libby Emmons]

For some reason, no one. No one holds the gay men to account and says, hey, if you don't. Yeah, if you. If you're not attracted to these mutilated women, then, you know, you're transphobic. No one tells the gay men.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's always the trans women. Right. It's always like, if you're not attract to trans women, you're a transphobe. It's like, well, guess which side I'm gonna pick in that.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, no, you're gonna call me a mean name if I'm not attracted to a trans woman? The horror.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes. And so the straight men don't care.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

And really what ends up happening is lesbians end up being told that they have to be interested in. In these fake women and young women who are. Who have transitioned, go into early menopause, and can't get a date.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Anyway, there's a great comic somebody made, and apparently this is based on real situations that have actually occurred. But somebody had a really funn where there's a woman with her trans woman friend, and she's like, oh, like, don't worry, I set you up with another woman. And the trans woman's all excited and then gets there and sees that it's another trans woman. Like, you should have set me up with an actual woman. How could you do this to me and start screaming?

[Tim Pool]

One thing that's crazy is modern dating apps as well. Yes, I was. I think I was reading, like, a red thread. I. You know, I guess I'm lucky I got the last trap out of Nam. I'm, you know, I'm married. I have a kid.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The younger generation, though, I was reading something on Reddit where they were saying that they were getting sick of using Tinder because it was like every other woman. It was a man saying they were a woman.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they were like, I don't even want any. Not even 1%. But because they say I'm legally a woman, they go on dating apps and put themselves down as women.

[Graham Linehan]

Oh, I've got an. I've got an incredible story about that. You know, Grindr, the gay app? So young girls are now going on Grindr saying they're gay men. Men, because they've been told that they will be accepted as gay men. And they. And they're not being accepted as gay men. But what is happening is there's been this huge kind of in influx of. Of straight men pretending to be gay and predating on these young women.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What?

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So. But that.

[Libby Emmons]

Are those relationships working out? I feel like there's just a straight.

[Tim Pool]

Relationship with extra steps.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, exactly. But, but, but the women think the guys are gay and think, oh, he's accepting me me for. For being.

[Tim Pool]

But it's just like a guy who likes butch women with like beards.

[Graham Linehan]

Exactly. Although you. There was one discussion. This is how. This is how horrific it is. There was one discussion, this guy was saying to another guy, I swear to God, they're all so desperate. And if you get in early, you can get there before any of the testosterone takes effect.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, that's so sad.

[Graham Linehan]

You know, so these are, this is. And then if a gay man goes. Goes up to. Goes up and complains about it, they get thrown off. You know, let's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let's get back to the news.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I just, I just want to make this one point. This is what, this is my. Of course James is going to come in and say, this is a Catholic. But like, as soon as we abandon these traditions, the new thing always falls apart immediately. Immediately.

[Ian Crossland]

How do you think is from the Catholic perspective? Because the Catholic Church used to tell people, repeat the virtues. Repeat the virtues. The seven virtues.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Like, you mean like in Catholic schools?

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe, or in. Maybe.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I guess I hadn't heard of.

[Ian Crossland]

I hadn't reinforced the virtuous part.

[Taylor Hansen]

And then.

[Ian Crossland]

And we don't force speech now in the United States. We have free speech. So how do you reinforce it without being. Coming across preachy, without being forceful? What do you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I mean, no, it's a good question. I think that like a lot of it is, parents just have to live the values out and they have to understand them well enough to explain them to their children. And I like. I think it's difficult to say there's any kind of school system you can trust to teach them that. But virtue is so important because it doesn't. You are just much easier to control if you're living in vice. There's so many things the system can dangle in front of you and say will remove your access to this, that, or the other, because you value that thing more than your own dignity.

[Tim Pool]

Did you see, Ian, you've heard of us, right? Where they hooked the electrode up to the rat's brain and it would press the button, it would stimulate the dopamine, and then all it would do is just keep hitting the button. It wouldn't eat.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's Us. That's what this is. That's what this thing is that I keep pressing. It gives me, like a dopamine hit.

[Tim Pool]

Right now, there are people watching on their phone just staring at it.

[Ian Crossland]

If you're in the machine and the machine is telling you about the seven virtues, and it's just telling you all day, that's different than actually embodying the virtues or seeing your father embody the virtue. Because, like, the dad can tell you one thing and then do another thing, and you're gonna mimic his behavior, not his words.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Amen.

[Tim Pool]

We're shifted way back to the news with this from the Post. Millennial Antifa calls for members to embed with no Kings protesters to, quote, show them what anti fascism really looks like. The no Kings march is meant to pacify the people, is organized by feds with an interest in quelling meaningful and effective social uprising. Well, I don't. I don't agree with that second part. I think it's organized by far leftists to create cover for antifa to get violent.

[Libby Emmons]

I think that's right.

[Tim Pool]

And attack cops. Because this is their M.O. they've done it for a very, very long time. But fascinatingly, Jimmy Kimmel said earlier or said the other day, there is no antifa. Oh, yeah, they don't exist. And it's funny because I then just pulled up the International Antifa Defense Fund, where they talk about giving member groups resources that they've raised internationally. And the first question is, like, how do you determine who is not antifa and who is to receive the funds you've described?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Look, if we don't have to be.

[Tim Pool]

Members of a group.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly right.

[Tim Pool]

There's Roast City Antifa, Atlanta Anti Fascists. There's New York Antifa. There are various chapters. And he goes, there's no membership, dude. There's no memberships. It is terrifying how Jimmy Kimmel brazenly lies about this stuff. It's actually. It's actually scary that he can do it.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, that's. That's. I find that the most fascinating thing about all of this, and it's been so hard to try and get an alternative approach to all this stuff out there. You know, it's.

[Tim Pool]

It's.

[Graham Linehan]

It's crazy.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, part of it is that, I mean, there's a lot. There's a huge pipeline that is feeding progressive ideology to creators. Kamala Harris was just at the Getty center, like, what, a week and a half ago or something, as part of this talk. And this. What was it called? I forget what it's called. But anyway, it was an invite only talk for Hollywood creators and writers. And she said as part of her talk, take everything you've learned here, take all of these ideas and give them to your characters, put them into your storylines. So we're getting all of this stuff is coming straight from the progressive ideologue, straight from the far left. It's being, you know, it's being piped into all of our creative people, all of our writers, all of our directors, all of our, you know, streamers on the left. And then it's just being spoon fed to us and we don't even notice that our entire entertainment culture is steeped in leftist ideology and we just don't even see it. And that's how you end up with everyone in America thinking that the left has a moral authority which they don't have.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, this is exactly why we are making twisted plots. Because the way the left has gotten their ideas across isn't by having a character in the middle of the film read the Democratic Party platform to you. They tell stories where the characters are built in a specific way and the story is told in a specific way so that the lesson you come away from the story is a left wing one. And what we're trying to do with twisted plots is do that but with like good, true right wing messaging or.

[Libby Emmons]

What they do is they completely subvert the entire concept of the hero's story and gender, impose like different people on top of that hero's story and then make it seem like what is actually real and good and lasting and thousands of years old is garbage. And try and give you this new way that you should live your life and the next thing you know, your daughters have beards and are being.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right.

[Libby Emmons]

You know, predated on by straight men on Grindr.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Help us make better culture Twisted plots dot com.

[Taylor Hansen]

The entire idea that antifa doesn't exist, that's due to media capture in the long run of it is ask any journalist who's actually covered, you know, Portland, Chicago, any of these cities that have a large antifa presence as they are organized cells and they identify that way as well when it's convenient for them when it comes to organizing, training, firearms training. I mean, down the street from me in Utah is where a lot of the SLC armed queer groups literally train with firearms every single day. And they do it as an organization. They have from, from the downwards all the way to the up is they're fully organized, but they always say when it's convenient to them they say, oh, we're citing this journalist who says antifa is actually just an idea. And what is show them what anti fascism really looks like. That ultimately is them saying, hey, we're going to show you what anti fascism looks like. Who did they just murder that they proclaimed was a fascist? That was a borderline moderate liberal in.

[Tim Pool]

A lot of people's eyes.

[Taylor Hansen]

Like they want you dead. And that's just the reality. They are organized and they're willing to act on the violence.

[Tim Pool]

Violence.

[Graham Linehan]

Maybe they're just persuading them to join Polycules.

[Ian Crossland]

To be anti fascist as a philosophy can exist in different movements. Like liberalism is anti fascist inherently. Communism is anti fascist. It wants no state. These guys, their anti fascist movement is a communist anti fascist.

[Graham Linehan]

It's more anarchy, isn't it? It's more like anarchism.

[Ian Crossland]

I think for sure it's anti statehood. No walls, no cannon. But the thing is it's more vanguardist. They don't want a real communism. They want a political. Put a small group of people in power and you know, real communism doesn't. You can't. As soon as the vanguard gets in, they take over the government. That's what these same groups so call them. They're masking behind the whole we don't like fascism bullshit.

[Tim Pool]

They're authoritarian.

[Ian Crossland]

Authoritarian. And they're vanguardist.

[Taylor Hansen]

Well, they're Marxist authoritarians. That's the best way to put it is they just don't want the people that have power to have power and the institutions that do. Like prisons. You hear that rhetoric a lot, is they're anti prison. Abolish prisons, abolish ice. But what are they gonna do when they get in power? They're then going to establish their own systems that discriminate against the people that they think are quote unquote fascist.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I actually said a prison abolitionist is someone who doesn't think rapists and murderers should go to jail and will throw you in a gulag if you disagree.

[Taylor Hansen]

Yeah, you're going to prison, but you're going to a work camp this time.

[Ian Crossland]

I truly think that this movement, this communist antifa movement wants to evoke a fascist crackdown from the government so that they can rally support to their communist movement from the community and be like, like, look, we told you the whole time they really are bad guys and then try and establish a communist overthrow of the government.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, to do something like that, to have a communist overthrow, they would need support of a majority of the people.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, you would need. And they get that through their vicious imagery of a woman being taken from her child drop by drop. It's really about enlightening the masses to the liberal economic order's failing. I mean, if you really want to look at it, what it looks like is happening is the liberal economic order is ushering in because liberalism's getting obliterated by what's collapsing. Yeah. So it looks like corporatocracy. Maybe that's where the World Economic Forum wants a government of corporations, corporate governance. They're ushering in chaos to break up the liberalism so that they can have corporatocracy.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe there's a faction. I think the liberal economic order is failing and collapsing because it's on its third human generation and they're struggling to maintain the system.

[Ian Crossland]

And you look at the communist system, which is a communist technocracy, and then the World Economic Forum, which is like a corporatocratic, and there's a bit of a struggle. I don't think that they want communism. You know, the World Economic Forum loves its corporate governance. Apple, you know, isn't going to be owned by the CCP. It's probably more powerful than the CCP.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, they're the ones who want those 15 minute cities and they want everybody's home to be smart homes and they want everyone driving electric cars so they can turn off your power if you misbehave and just keep you locked in. They're the social credit system people.

[Ian Crossland]

That's the technocracy aspect. That is not capitalism. They want to get rid of capitalism and liberalism and then. And so it's like, do you want a communist technocracy or do you want a corporatocratic technocracy? Because the United States right now is corporatocratic. But we're still like capitalist, Right?

[Libby Emmons]

Capitalism works.

[Taylor Hansen]

They think they're the good guys and that's what makes them so dangerous in a lot of instances, when in reality they're actually just the useful idiots that are being controlled by powers that be. But they think that this is all their own ideas, but it's not. None of it is their ideas. Like, they think they're the good people, but they're the ones posting up flyers of Charlie Kirk getting shot in the neck on college campuses and saying kill your local fascists when your local fascist is actually just a conservative guy with family values that has, you know, a few children. But they don't like that. They want to break down every single system that's been established and has continuously worked all throughout our history. They are just anti anything that they don't believe in. And that's what makes them so dangerous is they're willing to act violently and to infiltrate. Like what you're seeing with the no Kings protest is it's the boomers that come out at first. The ones that really believe that they're making a change by, by holding up their signs in the streets. But in an antifa, they infiltrate and attach themselves to any organization or any movement. You saw it with BLM in 2020. You see it with the pro Palestinian encampments. They attach themselves, quote unquote revolutionary. I mean like you said, they're literally backing the cartels right now.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So wild or a really great example is when you had these, these protesters against vax mandates and mask mandates outside of hospitals and antifa showed up and attacked them and it's like, what. Why did antifa become the enforcers of corporate pharmaceuticals?

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, that's the crazy thing.

[Tim Pool]

It's weird.

[Ian Crossland]

Arms of the media. The media is manipulating them. The state media. And it's obviously not technically state media, it's corporate, a cratic. It's owned by the corporations, but it's manipulated by the, by the liberal economic order to tell certain stories in Ireland. And then these people are getting manipulated to do street crap for their agenda.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Graham Linehan]

And all the stuff that's like, like that's, that's, you know, that the corp. The corporations don't necessarily go along with. It's not harmful to corporations. You know, like that's what I mean. I do think there's a trace of, of anarchism in, in this movement, in, in the idea of queering society. You know, queering society is a big, is a big thing for.

[Libby Emmons]

And it's a terrible thing. Here's the end of society.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I always got to defend my anarchist friends because. True.

[Graham Linehan]

Oh, I don't mean to cast aspersions on them. They're lovely anarchists.

[Tim Pool]

True anarchist philosophy has something called the non aggression principle.

[Taylor Hansen]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And so actual philosophical anarchists are not going to try and force anyone to do anything. They're going to try and persuade you to do it. Because when we see these antifa types, a lot of conservatives say they're violent anarchists. And I'm like, like that's oxymoronic. A philosophy that eschews authority than using violence to enforce authority is paradoxical. These people are not anarchists. Yeah, they purport to be, but they are not. And I would actually argue that throughout history the anarchists who were violent and terroristic were not anarchists.

[Graham Linehan]

Right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, and so this is the thing, I've mentioned this before when we talk about increasing or. What was the term you used? Queerifying or queering. Queering, yeah, these things. So the argument I've made is that leftism is essentially the intellectual rationalization for social decay. So as your society starts to break down, people begin to find excuses to allow that breakdown to occur. You know, why should I have to get married? Why should I have to work? Why should I have to basically engage in any of the customs people have always engaged in to keep society healthy? And if you look, you really scratch into the surface, every left wing argument is some version of like, I should get to stay up all night eating fruit snacks instead of going to bed. It's like a child going, I don't like rules.

[Libby Emmons]

My argument is the boomers are super childlike in their view.

[Tim Pool]

The Libertarian Party.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The reason why it's never able to actually win is because it's a coalition of people who want something illegal to be legal. And that's the only thing they really agree on. So when you go there, you'll find a bunch of weird woke lefties and basically they want some like weird porn or drugs to be illegal.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then you'll find the anti war libertarians who are like, we want to minimize the state, state. So the legitimate libertarians are surrounded by people who are like, I will join your coalition because you'll get rid of the laws that, that, you know, hold me back as a matter of speaking.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, but there's, but, and, and also it's, it's very, it's very, it's very much aimed at kids.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes.

[Graham Linehan]

Like, I even saw a, a panel at some event called Queering Children's Literature. You know, and there was like this thing that came out a few, a few years ago called Granddad's First Pride. And if you. Yeah, and it was like a little children's book for, for toddlers, you know, and, but if you looked at the drawings, you could see that there was one man with his shirt off and he has a, he has like wounds across his chest.

[Tim Pool]

So it's a, you know that Grandpa Simpson's gay now.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They did, they did that.

[Taylor Hansen]

Grandpa Simpson.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, they queer washed him, as I like, like to say.

[Ian Crossland]

That's really rubbed him with like, I.

[Libby Emmons]

Don'T know, I thought he had dementia. Remember, he was just a minute ago screaming at clouds.

[Graham Linehan]

I know, I know, it's crazy. Are they, are you, is he sure he's gay?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, Maybe he'll revert. Maybe the next episode they send him to conversion therapy.

[Graham Linehan]

Oh my God.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's gay. Just wait for it.

[Graham Linehan]

There's.

[Tim Pool]

There you go.

[Taylor Hansen]

Oh my.

[Tim Pool]

They. They. And. And. But they made Grandpa Simpson gay. And then like he goes to bed and has a picture of his former gay lover or whatever. I think the show's argument was that he's actually not gay, but that he knew a gay guy when he was young and was weirded out by it.

[Graham Linehan]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Met back up with him later and decided to give it a try.

[Graham Linehan]

Oh, okay.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Graham Linehan]

I think that was what it takes.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. It's like. It's not the Grimson I knew. This is not.

[Graham Linehan]

But you know, that's just that. That's. That's another thing though as well. I see the same thing with the. With superhero movies is that if you're just constantly regurgitating the same product over and over again, there comes a point where the only innovation you can come up with is, let's make Grandpa Simpson gay.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes, exactly. And then they go in a historic moment. This is the first time that the Flash has ever been in a throuple. They do a whole news cycle about it.

[Graham Linehan]

That's it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And then they do a whole other news cycle separately about how brave the actor is because they've gotten backlash from the far.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they can also, like the gay guy is shocked that Abe is kissing him.

[Libby Emmons]

Like, you know, and also maybe not into it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, right. Yeah. This is.

[Graham Linehan]

We.

[Tim Pool]

That looks like sa.

[Graham Linehan]

We should get him canceled.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly. Me too. Abe Simpson.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Libby Emmons]

He's faking it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's so also like to be forced into everything.

[Tim Pool]

The other thing too is, considering how old Simpson is, does it make sense that Abe Simpson's a World War II veteran anymore?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, it's changed so much. So actually in the original Tracy Ullman shorts from like mid to late 80s, I think he was actually World War I vet. And then. Yes. And. And then. Cuz that was in the late 80s. Yeah. That's serious Tracy Ulman shorts there. I'm almost certain we can double check on this.

[Tim Pool]

But then if he was 89 years old in the Tracy Omen short, that could make sense.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly. But then in the Simpsons, when it actually became a series in the 90s. Yeah. You have that great episode with the Flying Hellfish. Yeah, I. Dude, that is a phenomenal episode. Get your own fun, boys. Yeah, but the. Yeah, he was a World War II veteran. And the timeline for that show floats so much. I bet Skinner Isn't a Vietnam vet anymore either.

[Tim Pool]

You mean Arman Tanzarian?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, Arman Tan. That was a big shark jump, too.

[Taylor Hansen]

They're portraying him in his military uniform trying out being gay for the first time. Yeah, like, how more disrespectful can. That's. That reminds me of, like, don't we.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Ever having a don't ask, don't tell?

[Taylor Hansen]

It reminds me of, like, when antifa posts all the, you know, the quote unquote memes of, like, all the World War II veterans, and it's like, they were anti fascist. So we're anti fascist fascists, too. It's like, do you know what these guys believed in?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, no, I know.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this is the, like, Seamus colored.

[Taylor Hansen]

Guy, moved into the neighborhood, and they'd be like, oh, well, there goes the name.

[Tim Pool]

Should we play that?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah, this is. I did this ages ago, but. But before we watched part of that cartoon. What I want to point out is these people will go, the men who stormed the beaches at Normandy were anti fascist. And then they'll see the same guy 10 years later in the suburbs and go, a 1950s dad, that's a fascist.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Is this the video Seamus?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, yeah. This is fighting Nazis then versus now. This is. I did this, like, six years ago. Okay. So, as you know, Nazism is on the rise, and we need to stop them. Which is why I've invented a time machine to bring back the people who defeated Nazism in the first place.

[Libby Emmons]

Perfect.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Hey, this ain't Normandy.

[Graham Linehan]

What gives?

[Tim Pool]

What year is it?

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's 2018. Why did you say that? So weird. Sorry, force of habit. We brought you to the future because Nazism is on the rise in the US and our president is sympathetic to them. What?

[Libby Emmons]

Here's a pamphlet with all his positions.

[Tim Pool]

Ah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

This fella's disgusting, Right? This boyfriend thinks two men can get married.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Ian Crossland]

And that a man who cuts his.

[Graham Linehan]

Dongle off is a woman.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Um, sounds more like a commie to me. But, hey, same difference. I'll kill either one. Uh, that's not what's bad about him. Hit gets Weiss. What else are these Nazis doing?

[Libby Emmons]

They believe there are only two genders.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, of course, there's more than two genders. Thank goodness. Yeah, the Russians have their gender, the Germans have their gender, the Japanese have their gender. Everybody's got an agender.

[Libby Emmons]

No, not agenda. Gender.

[Ian Crossland]

What the hell is gender?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Sounds like some kind of phony word. Popularized in the 50s to create a false distinction between one identity and their biological sex. Am I in the ballpark here. You're sex is whether you're male or female, but your gender is how you identify. So if you were born a man but want to become a woman, your gender identity is as a woman, and you therefore are a woman. Know it.

[Tim Pool]

So you guys think men can be women?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, that's the biggest crock of nonsense I ever heard.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, none of this sounds like Nazism to me.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, how about this? He wants people to pay for their own birth control.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, no. Yeah, boyth control is legal.

[Libby Emmons]

The guys who defeated Nazism are such Nazis.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You know, I don't like you pinkos going around telling people you're fighting Nazis just because you berate everyone you disagree with. You've never fought a Nazi in your life, and to claim otherwise is stolen valor. Yeah, and you know what? When actual Nazis come around, no one's gonna want to fight them anymore. Cause youse guys keep crying wolf.

[Tim Pool]

Now let's go back and win ourselves a war.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You know, I almost don't want to anymore. Wait. Don't go. We need you.

[Libby Emmons]

We need to say you're on our side so we can convince the greater whole of society to accept violence against dissidents who stand in the way of the social order we seek to establish.

[Tim Pool]

Ah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And how exactly are they the Nazis? Because I call them Nazis. Well, you call men women, so that's a classic. Thank you, Jamus. Yeah, it's weird to watch your own stuff because I'm like, the animation is.

[Tim Pool]

Not where it needs to be.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And that was too wordy. And that was it. But I'm glad you guys enjoyed it.

[Graham Linehan]

That was 2018.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, I made that in 20. And it's funny because I actually. I think I wrote it in like 2016 or 2017. And then I. I had. So we finished it in 2017, I think, and then we released it in 2018. So I had to update the line.

[Graham Linehan]

See, I think. I think you guys got there fast. Faster than we did on all this stuff. But. But then I don't know. I don't know what happened. It just doesn't seem like it's as in the uk. It is, as you were saying, Tim, the big. The big thing that. That differentiates the left from the right now is this complete belief in three genders or multiple.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, so let's clarify that, because I was saying it before, and we were looking at all this news about antifa, and then I was like, there seems to be one particulate issue that separates left and right. Yeah, you can be. You can Be pro progressive tax, you can be pro choice, you could universal health care. And then if you say men can't be women, you're far right.

[Graham Linehan]

Only thing. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I would say also the race issue is another. Other. I think so if you don't agree with them on the race issue, I, I certainly.

[Tim Pool]

It's like a bell curve. But the trans issue is the peak of the mountain.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, there's. There was such a crazy thing too. I mean, so you did this cartoon. You said you wrote it in 2016, 2017, and then it came out 2018. That was really the beginning of when everything started to go absolutely insane. Like it had already been building. Yeah, me too. 2018. And like, that's sort of when that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Sort of didn't need to be canceled. It was over before it started for me.

[Libby Emmons]

But like, I remember the trans stuff. I started writing about the trans stuff also pretty early. And that was the thing where I was like, wait a second. If these guys are saying. I think it was like 2013 or something. And I was like, these guys are saying that men are. Men can be women. Like, what else is a big lie.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You know, that unborn babies aren't people?

[Libby Emmons]

Well, I already was. I was a big one. I was already Catholic. So like, I was one of these, you know, pro life Democrats, which you.

[Tim Pool]

Used to be able to.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That was. I didn't even know that existed then.

[Libby Emmons]

That was a thing. Because you could be like, pro union. Pro life.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, you're right.

[Libby Emmons]

That person.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It was rare at the time, but that did still exist.

[Libby Emmons]

That was a person in the 80s and 90s. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The blue. Was it the blue Dog Democrats.

[Libby Emmons]

Dog Democrats. You're like pro union, you're pro life. And you're still. You're a Democrat because they were Christians. Democrats were. Yeah. And the Democrats were like pro working class. And then the Democrats totally abandoned the working class. But I think you're right also about the race thing, because that was another piece where I was like, wait a second, you had. BLM was starting, you know, as well with like Eric Garner and all of that kind of stuff in Staten island. And. And I remember very distinctly meeting a college friend of mine at a bar in Brooklyn, and she's black. And we met up for drinks and she was telling me and we hadn't seen each other in years, you know, and I was like, oh, let's hang out. And we were just chatting and she was saying to me, and we went to college in the 90s, you know, and she was like, I want people to see my blackness first. And I was like, that's new.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Why do you want.

[Libby Emmons]

Why do you want people to see that you're black first? What do you think that that should indicate to people about who you are? What stereotypes perhaps should they take away because you are black, and that has some universal categorizations that people should understand, represent you?

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

You know, and she started telling me about it, and I was like, you realize this is totally different from what you thought, like, 15 years ago. This is totally, like the opposite. And she was like, no, it isn't.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, oh.

[Libby Emmons]

So we're in different realities entirely now.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, cool.

[Taylor Hansen]

That's the biggest thing, is you have two sides. That one's living in reality and then one's just living in complete fantasy at this point.

[Libby Emmons]

It was totally crazy.

[Taylor Hansen]

The race thing, I feel like, is. It is getting less of a division between the left and the right. Like, you got left wingers that are like, anti Indian posting that I've been seeing a lot of, like, it's crazy how much of it is on X now. But the trans thing is always at the peak. But have you guys seen.

[Graham Linehan]

Also there's a lot of black conservatives who've been very influential over the last few years and have moved the conversation.

[Taylor Hansen]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Have you. Have you guys seen the video, not to bring it too far back, of the World War II veteran walking down the street and there's a big pride parade happening, and he's like, you know, getting all fussed, and they're asking him what he likes about it, and he's like, where's my gun? You know, and he, like, wants to essentially kill these people because it's not what he actually went overseas and fought for. But that just shows you and indicates how far the culture actually has changed. I mean, in a very small time as well. And then these people say, you know, they're anti fascist, when in reality they're using nothing but authority authoritarian techniques against people that are quite literally anti fascist. I mean, Charlie Kirk did not believe in fascism, right?

[Graham Linehan]

No, no, that was. That was extraordinary. And the way they just continued to smear him after he died. And I still. I know. Yeah. And I still can't find a. A video or a thing he said that bears up anything that's anyone's saying doesn't exist.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I mean, just lie about him.

[Tim Pool]

You don't have to agree with Charlie Kirk. He was a. He was a fairly moderate conservative.

[Graham Linehan]

Conservative.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Very moderate. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

His views very much aligned with traditional Christianity Extremely moderate, fairly predictable views on a lot of these issues. He's the run of the mill suburban Christian I knew growing up, because he's literally a Christian from the suburb of Chicago is where I grew up. I knew tons of people who held his views and it was, it's the middle of the road position for the suburbs and to them he was a far right fascist.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, it's crazy. And the thing, what he did was, was, was unforgivable to the left, which is that he, he allowed people to say their crazy opinions out loud, you know, like, like on, on trans. On various different things. I mean, you know, I, I'm, I'm alone here and being pro choice and kind of campaigned in Ireland for it because my wife and I went through something that, that, that meant it, you know, it felt right to us. But, but the, but the. Sorry, what was I going to say? I've thrown myself.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, you remember, remember.

[Graham Linehan]

Sorry, you'll remember. Yeah, it'll come back to me in a sec. But like the, the only way that, that some of these ideas can survive is if they're not prodded at all. You know, like, like it falls apart on. As soon as you see Leah Thomas towering over her, his competitors. Excuse me. As soon as you see that, it's like, well, it's over, surely. But first time Bill, huh?

[Tim Pool]

We just call him Bill.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. William Thomas.

[Graham Linehan]

But they, but they, they, they, they, they, they got away with it for so long because they simply don't talk about it. They don't get into it. There's a, There's a famous document called the Dentons Document, and it was written by a trans activist, I think in Sweden who congratulated Irish trans activists for successfully pulling the wall over the eyes of the public. And as a result, Ireland has self ID and crazy. It's crazy. And no one discussed it. There was a guy just released from prison. Lunatic. Have you seen this guy? Barbie Kardashian.

[Libby Emmons]

Barbie Kardashian.

[Graham Linehan]

And he's just.

[Libby Emmons]

And he killed his mom.

[Graham Linehan]

No, he wants to kill us.

[Libby Emmons]

He wants to kill us. Of course he wants to kill his mother.

[Graham Linehan]

He wants to kill his mother. He wants to kill his father. And he wants to kill the governor of the prison. He's just left, right?

[Seamus Coughlin]

And he, and they let him out.

[Graham Linehan]

Let him out. Not only did they let him out, he tore the scope off social.

[Tim Pool]

He's got the.

[Libby Emmons]

He's sounds like a great lad, that Canadian teacher, remember?

[Graham Linehan]

But now he can walk into any. That's this Irish women only space In.

[Tim Pool]

Ireland, there's the women spa thing. That happened in California.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, but this was.

[Tim Pool]

This is a really great example because apparently the story is there's some black woman going, hey, there's a man in the women's locker room exposing himself. And they're like, sorry, we can't do anything about trans people. And it turns out it was not a trans person. It was literally a guy exposing himself.

[Graham Linehan]

It was literally a wanted sex offender.

[Tim Pool]

Who had done it before. And because of the presumption that because there are trans people, that means any time someone complains about a man exposing himself to children, you're like, must be a trans woman.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What does it say about the societal assumptions about trans people?

[Graham Linehan]

And. And Right, Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

And also, like, Very good point.

[Graham Linehan]

When you're. When you're. When you're a young woman and some bloke is following you through a shopping center or something, the only place you have to escape is the women's toilets. You pop in there, you wait, you know, hopefully he gets bored and goes away. Now the guy can walk in right after him and. And women are not entirely sure that if they make a fuss, they won't get arrested.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, the other thing is, there's. There's this thing you were talking about, queering education, queering society, and trying to hide out in the bathroom or whatever. There's this whole push to separate children from their natural impulses. So when you have Drag Queen story Hour and you have these progressive moms being like, go ahead, Henry, talk to Booby Delicious or whatever, and you're telling them that, and you're encouraging your child is revolted by the person. Cause there's something wrong with, like the fake breasted giant lip. It's grotesque, wigged person in the weird heels. And so your child doesn't wanna go with that person. You're telling your child, hey, your natural impulses of disgust, which are actually natural impulses that will protect you from predators and other things, ignore those and just go with the weirdo.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And why does the left love that so much?

[Libby Emmons]

And we used to tell our kids to avoid the weirdo. You know, like, that used to be a very big thing.

[Graham Linehan]

There was a famous, famous poster that was put up in. In, I think, Brighton in a college. And it was in the women's toilets. And it said, if you see anyone in here who doesn't look like they belong, don't make a fuss, don't make a scene, don't make them uncomfortable. And essentially telling women to ignore everything they can do and they can't do much because the physical differences but the thing they can do, they've, they've historically been able to do is make a scene, make a fuss, you know, get people to, to say, hey, what's going on? And even that, even that little weapon's been taken away from them. You know, it's insane. I don't understand. I still feel sometimes I say, I joke. I have a therapist friend and I joke to her that, you know, did we die at some point? Is this hell? How is this, how is this possible that it's still going on?

[Ian Crossland]

It's a social influence through the Internet. It's like 2007 is when I got a taste to cancel, when I got canceled from Hollywood and I kind of have distilled it down to is the left. If you go anti feminine, not anti woman, but if you're just angry with some feminine energy and you dog on feminine energy, the left will reject you and push you away. So like not just women, like you can be cruel to women, but in the left will reject you, but also the feminine energy within the man. And that's like it's okay for a man to explore his emotions and things. If you're like, like down on that energy, you get pushed away from that.

[Taylor Hansen]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

Not all men must bottle up all their emotions and shove it down until you develop a thick, benign tumor can be removed.

[Ian Crossland]

And that's like the other extreme that you want to avoid as guys and you know how, how wonderful for, you know, soldiers of the left to watch men die from their own stress on the right. So. But honestly, I think it's a, it's a top down effect at exploding liberalism in general and blowing up our traditions and nationalism. They want to get rid of nationalism to create corporatocracy where the corporations are the governments. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

They want no borders for any country. They want international adjudication without any kind of, you know, the way we approach the law is that it's supposed to be reasonable in civil and criminal cases. They want. You know, I actually liken it to the. Have you guys seen Andor?

[Seamus Coughlin]

No.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Basically he's walking on the beach, some guys run from troopers. A guy looks at him and says, you're suspicious. Were you with him? He's like, I'm not. Well, you're under us. Anyway, he goes for a judge and they go guilty. And he's like, I'm just a tourist. And like, wow, sucks for you. Off to prison. That's basically the mechanized state of the international system that they're seeking to create. And the corporations will effectively be the governments. So I think when you look at the advocacy of, like, the World Economic Forum, the Davos Group, these international organizations, and what they've done to the United States and to Ireland and the rest of Europe, they are trying to make these countries borderless, effectively, so that there's no state anymore.

[Graham Linehan]

I mean, what's the end game there? What's. Why would they. That's what I kind of understand about a lot of this stuff. Like who. Who does it benefit? Who is the. You know, the.

[Seamus Coughlin]

There's a world order they want to.

[Ian Crossland]

Create a new world order that's basically technocratic, where if you deviate from the order, your bank account gets penalized or you can't take the train.

[Graham Linehan]

It's been a bit of that already in England. Someone got debanked the other day, a Palestinian activist.

[Taylor Hansen]

You see that here, too.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

The problem is you need to be able to deviate from. Sorry, shame.

[Tim Pool]

I'll get this out.

[Ian Crossland]

You have to be able to deviate from the order. This is what those technocratic totalitarian states have wrong, is that sometimes you have to break the law to do what's good and right in the immediate. Maybe you got a jaywalk, maybe you gotta run the red light because there's an emergency. And if you get penalized every time you try and break the law, even if it's just, that's a big problem. So these. These systems are going to end up stepping on their own toes. But, Seamus.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, no, I was just going to say sometimes I don't even think they understand the end game that they have in mind. So when I look at what they're trying to do to nation states, it's just a total inversion of subsidiary. Like, the idea is you're supposed to tend first and foremost to the things most local to you, right? Like as a father, you're supposed to look after your wife and children. Then that extends out to your extended family, then your community, whatever, whatever individual responsibilities or familial responsibilities you have in your life, then you can start to look at these other systems and see what you're able to do as your sphere of influence diminishes. What the left has always pushed for is the exact opposite. What's happening on the other side of the world, what can you do about it? How can you be an activist? And they get people to stop focusing on the things that are actually around them, and then it all falls apart. And I don't know if it's directly intended. I think for most of them it isn't. It's just because they've allowed their emotions to run away so they're not thinking logically because, like, it feels really good. And you get all those warm fuzzies when you, like, think about helping someone in another part of the world. But like, the people around you, as it turns out, they're like kind of a pain in the ass sometimes and you don't always want to help them. But like, that's where love really actually exists in an incarnate way, where you're acting in the real world in the service of those around you. But that's difficult. So if I instead neglect my responsibilities, don't do the right things by the people I love, and make myself feel like a good person by purporting to care for people all the way across the world, now I can feel like a great person when I've completely failed to fulfill my moral duties.

[Taylor Hansen]

That's one of the reasons you're seeing such a heavy attack on nationalism, especially right now, because liberalism has fallen apart utterly and completely, especially here in the United States. And people are seeing it, identifying it, especially the younger generations who they can't afford a house. They've been, you know, been told to apologize for their whiteness their entire lives. They're the, they're the. Essentially the issue with the country and that they are fascists. And you're quite literally seeing it, I mean, radicalize, straight up radicalize younger generations like Generation Z and myself. And now you're actually having people explore fascism and the realities of fascism and extreme nationalism because they think, hey, hey, this didn't work. Liberalism didn't work. This is where it got us. And that's kind of the experiment that you're going through right now, at least in my generation is, you know, Antifa says they're anti fascist, but they're quite literally their tactics and the things that they pushed on society is creating actual fascists that do truly believe in fascism.

[Graham Linehan]

And then you look back at the old fascists and, and, and the people who are looking at Antifa would say, well, as you say, maybe they look at it under a new light, you know, because they're lying about their own nature, future. And so you apply the lie to other things in the past. You know, like if Antifa are going to go out and attack, you know, people protesting against Drag Queen Story Hour and stuff like that, then they're going to, they're going to just continue to have this reputation of of, of weirdness. And, and that's, I mean, you know, whatever you think about anti fascism, it's a good thing. It should be a good thing. It should be a kind of a standard, but it's being corrupted like everything else, because words don't mean anything.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right.

[Ian Crossland]

They also have the rules for radicals, which is Saul Alinsky's book about how to be a radical revolutionary force. And your action is your opponent's reaction. So you're saying, Taylor, how they are inadvertently the response to them trying to break down all the nations in the borders. Is that a harsh. It doesn't have to be harsh, but a fascist collective will form to preserve the nation. And that's exactly what they want. Cuz then they can be like, look, look, I told you it was fascist all along. Join our communist movement.

[Taylor Hansen]

Exactly what's happening.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, and communists have understood since the 1950s that calling anyone who is capitalist, or even just a non communist a fascist was extremely rhetorically effective. But if you actually look at the definition of fascism, which I understand is nebulous in today's politics, because that's just become a mean word we throw around in politics and not an actual system of thought. You read Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini, and at the core of it is a belief that the state supersedes everything else in authority. That's the central claim of fascism, which to me sounds a whole lot more like what they believe than what I believe.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

And they've been perpetrating that for a while. I mean, you can even look back at the Obama administration when he was trying to put together Obamacare and push that onto everybody. And some of the advertisements for it would show a woman essentially in partnership with the government her entire life.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, and so you had Tim Kaine, and I can't remember what committee he was speaking on, but he was saying this belief that rights come from God, this is a dangerous idea.

[Libby Emmons]

Saying it was oppressive, offensive.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly. And he says that's what they believe in Iran. Great guilt by association there, pal. But the thing about it is, his argument was no, the state defines your rights. That's right. That, that's fascist fascism. That is the actual text, textbook definition of fascism. Any other worldview that doesn't have fascist equalities to it says you have certain rights. That's an objective moral fact. The state can choose to honor those or they can violate your rights. Fascism is. No, no, no, no, no, no. Your rights are what the state says your rights are.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, and you see that too, when people like I was just recently saying, you'll see these people, like they go up to somebody in the street and ask them questions. And there was one recently because I was like doom scrolling Instagram and somebody was like, where do our rights come from? And the girl was like, the government. And he was like, no, no, they don't come from the government, they come from God. And it says that in our founding documents. And that's for real. And if you don't think that your rights come from God, then you don't think very much of yourself. You don't think that you have free will. You don't think that you can stand up, you don't think that you can think for yourself. If you don't believe that your creator endowed you with these things, then you only believe that you are a little slip of nothing meant to be controlled by a giant machine.

[Ian Crossland]

That was Thomas Jefferson. I think his greatest psyop that he pulled on humanity was making them believe that God gave them their rights. Because before that everyone was like, no, your rights are given to you by your Lord, like whoever lords over you.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, they would just say you don't even have anything.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But even a lot of that came from the divine right of kings. And even that came from like a belief that this authority ultimately comes from God. The word authority actually comes from the word author, like who created.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, who's telling the story of your life basically. Who dictates your rules.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And like, dude, Thomas Jefferson is so amazing. The guy was an artist and a scientist. He's like, I just got sucked into government because that was what the world needed at that moment. But he's like this 22 year old writer that writes the most creative, prolific, forward thinking, potential outlook of what the world could be. And just with threat of the French military behind it, they forced it on the wall.

[Libby Emmons]

It wasn't just him. I mean, if you look at the guys who founded our country, it was such a rabble rousing group of young men who all managed to land in the same place at the same time. And it's just absolutely outrageously amazing.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Sad to see so many bright young men in the public sector like that.

[Tim Pool]

You guys do know that there was a Declaration of Dependence? That's not a joke. There were loyalists who drafted a. It wasn't literally called the Declaration of Dependence. It was a pledge of loyalty to the crown that was derisively called the Declaration of Dependence. There were, I think the argument is around a third of the colonies did not want to be independent from the Crown down.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Can I ask you as, as managed, I suppose, as an Irishman, do you see the story of the United States being able to push British tyranny off and go man, that sounds nice.

[Graham Linehan]

No, I grew up when all that stuff wasn't really an issue anymore. We weren't really, we were, I was like living in Ireland, I was really loving English comedy and, and American comedy, you know what I mean? That was, that's all the stuff I was interested in. I was more interested in bands and so on.

[Ian Crossland]

So what's the difference of British and American? Because we're both stuck in this liberal economic order. Is, is it, I don't want to distill it down to the King. Is it the King? Is it that there's a monarchy so that people are getting arrested for.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean?

[Ian Crossland]

Like why are people in England getting arrested for social media speech? Or in Ireland or in Scotland because they're weak people or in Australia even?

[Graham Linehan]

Well, at the moment, I mean there's.

[Tim Pool]

An interesting, I, I, I disagree.

[Graham Linehan]

I love blood pudding here. Starmer said when he came into power, he said, I will stop the culture wars, you know, and he's done no such thing. He hides from them all. So all the arguments that people have, the stuff that got me arrested at the airport, all this sort of stuff, it's all happening to ordinary people every day because he won't make decisions, he won't say, for instance, yeah, of course women, men should be in women's sports. He won't say these things. And so as a result it's just left to the police to sort it out. The nhs, the ordinary people, everyone's just having this big fight. Right. Because there's no real agreement on what the new rules are.

[Ian Crossland]

Does the King get involved?

[Graham Linehan]

No, I haven't seen him make, make a comment. Although I have seen honors given to gender critical people. So I think maybe that's, I've got.

[Ian Crossland]

This feeling that the World Economic Forum is just trying to create a corporatocratic governance, global governance systems that they're going to get the, the British Royal family to become a corporation and just be like, okay, England's no longer, England's a corporation now.

[Graham Linehan]

I don't know. I, yeah, I mean I don't look at it in that kind of top down way. I'm more interested in what's happening to people.

[Libby Emmons]

So are there any, have there any been any women who identify as trans knighted?

[Graham Linehan]

No, not yet.

[Libby Emmons]

Not yet. Do you think it will happen?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Is I like how. Yeah, you said it like an inevitability. You're like. But it's probably.

[Graham Linehan]

No, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what has happened though. Like, you know, all male, all male clubs, which used to be this big feminist bug bear of men meeting in private, you know, without women being there. They changed their rules, so they allowed women in, but it was trans women.

[Libby Emmons]

That was it.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, so. So like now they, they got this kind of fresh paint coat of paint. It's completely meaningless. You know, they're still just allowing men in there. Can I ask, just as people are talking about this type of thing, has any, has everyone read Eric Hoffer?

[Ian Crossland]

Negative.

[Graham Linehan]

No, I, I did. Everybody who's followed me on podcast gonna be so bored of me bringing them up. He wrote a book called A True Believer. He was like a longshoreman who, who taught himself how to think. He went into, I think, New York libraries and, and just kind of developed certain theories. And he wrote a book called the True Believer and it's about how revolutionary movements, including, you know, Hitler, Christianity, communism, French Revolution, what they all have in common. And, and he looks at it from the point of view of people on the ground. It could have been written yesterday. It could have been written yesterday about the truck.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I want to check that out.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, it's a really small pamphlet. It's written in short little bits. But, but there's all these things, you know, recognize them all. You know, it's stuff like revolution will not come from poor people because poor people are trying to get, get, get their, you know, get dinner together. You know, it, it comes usually from the middle classes, from the slightly better off bourgeois. Yeah, sorry. It comes. Yeah, it's, it's people who are bored. It's people who are well off stuff. It's people who hate the current reality and see some future reality as the thing they have to aim for.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What's this called?

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Graham Linehan]

The True Believer by Eric Hoffer. I think I, it's, it's such a fantastic book.

[Seamus Coughlin]

All right, I'm gonna look it up.

[Graham Linehan]

And it's got so many incredible details about Hitler's rise, even Jesus's rise. You know, he makes this brilliant point at one point that if Jesus had been made a rabbi, then he might not have, you know, started the revolution.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, I wonder because, I mean, he did end up in the temple questioning all those.

[Graham Linehan]

Sure.

[Libby Emmons]

But, but there's Pharisees, so he's just.

[Graham Linehan]

He'S such a well read guy that I'm sure it comes from something or other, but I Believe there was a certain time where he could have been offered that and it didn't happen, you know, and he just says, what if. You know, same with. I hate to put them in the same. Same category, but same with Hitler. If Hitler had been given a position, you know, with the old order, he may not have decided to go to art school.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, people. People bought his paintings.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, no, I know because people will say, like, well, if Hitler got into art school, it wouldn't have all happened. I'm like, I don't know anyone who got better from going to art school. I don't know that he was fed.

[Taylor Hansen]

Up with a degeneracy and then he's gonna get accepted into our school. I think it probably. He probably would have been.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Hansen]

Hitler times two.

[Graham Linehan]

But it's not accepted. It wasn't that he was talking. It wasn't art school. He was talking about when, you know, they. The Nazis first started making inroads, first started being taken seriously. He said if he'd been given a position.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Interesting.

[Graham Linehan]

Then things might have turned out different. But generally this stuff is all about the boots on the ground, you know, like he was talking about Germany after the war. He said, there's all these people, they've been completely humiliated in World War I, but they are actually a fairly, you know, resilient, resourceful people. They began to feel a huge sense. Sense of resentment because they knew they were more than what they were confined to, which was. Which was basically losers, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And the Treaty of Versailles threw everything at them and made them this.

[Taylor Hansen]

Weimar didn't help very much. Yeah, generously. You were seeing.

[Graham Linehan]

And I think a similar thing is happening at the moment with, with, with, you know, liberals and boomers and stuff. They just feel they should be boss, you know, they feel they should be. Sorry I keep doing that. They feel they should be in charge. They feel that because Hollywood movies has always told them that they're the most wonderful people in the world, are very liberal. They've always got a black friend, you.

[Tim Pool]

Know, I think this is true for any civilization, any society. When a large enough group of people who are really stupid. When stupid people of a nation become a large enough political faction, your society will break down. It seems like simple logic. These are anti meritocratic people. They believe that ideology is more important than meritocracy, which means they're companies. There's. I'm not surprised. Disney had a. The worst flops ever. Marvin movies are failing. I'm sorry. Marvel movies have been failing. They had their Worst flops. I don't even know. I don't even remember the name of.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Those stupid movies they were just really happened with. Aside from everything having like explicitly gay stuff in it, which again, this is part of why I'm doing what I'm doing here. But the films, what they've actually been doing is it's not, it's the degeneracy, but there's also this element of like they're trying to throw multimillion dollar budgets, like hundred million dollar budgets at films that maybe make sense as like a $50,000 low budget indie film that would be popular in select coffee shops or something. Like, I think the new Pixar film was like a kid who gets abducted by aliens and it's sort of his journey exploring being gay. If I'm not mistaken. There was a lot of very niche. It's like an external niche thing which obviously my primary issue with that is like, like the grooming aspect don't go after kids. And I think they had to remove some of the gay elements from it. Or did you.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Did you see the meme where it's the. It's the train coming and it says the cool new game that just came out and then it gets slammed. The bus gets slammed into by the train and it says the interracial lesbian couple that appears halfway through.

[Taylor Hansen]

Yeah, Concord. Remember that?

[Tim Pool]

Was that all like interracial?

[Taylor Hansen]

It launched. It launched for like a day and then Concord, Sony. I think they spent like 100 million plus dollars on it.

[Tim Pool]

I know it flopped, but it was gay.

[Taylor Hansen]

Yeah, everything was gay. All the characters were gay. It was just as gay as it can get.

[Graham Linehan]

I was playing Dragons.

[Taylor Hansen]

It died because of it and because the mechanics were just terrible.

[Tim Pool]

I played like one thing that a lot of people complained about is the new Horizon zero Dawn game where they made the main character gay. And it's just like, guys, we get it. Just stop. Just don't put any romance in it, okay? We don't care.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Because the most important thing is they want kids to play it. They're trying to groom kids.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, absolutely.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, well.

[Taylor Hansen]

And that leads to other issues. That, that leads to nationalism. That gets to a dangerous level of.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Nationalism, makes people very angry.

[Taylor Hansen]

Like in Weimar when you start pushing. And you can use way more examples in Weimar, but that's one that comes to the top of my head. Women are having to prostitute themselves. Right. They don't want to, but they're having to prostitute themselves. There's porn and degeneracy everywhere. These people have been Put down because.

[Libby Emmons]

Of, there's cabaret, there's Liza Minelli, there's.

[Tim Pool]

Gray Bro, only fans whenever.

[Taylor Hansen]

And we're there.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Only fans even whenever there's, whenever there's any kind of revolution. Right. Even a revolution against like a traditional or right wing government or a monarchy. What the revolutionaries always do is they will point to some form of sexual degeneracy that's happening among the upper class because they know your average person doesn't tolerate that stuff.

[Graham Linehan]

And didn't Douglas Murray. Was it Douglas Murray or. No, Peterson. Jordan Peterson pointed out that societies that are going into decline, like Aztecs and so on, they go through a, just before they go into decline, they go through a stage like that, this obsessed with gender. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Or.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So we, we just, we discussed Strasshau. Generational theory, the Fourth Turning. Are you familiar?

[Graham Linehan]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Every 80 years, civilization goes through a crisis, a catastrophe.

[Graham Linehan]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

So 80 years ago we had the World Wars. 80 years before that we had the Civil War. Eight years before that the American Revolution. And 80 years before that there was a conflict. I, I, I don't track before that because Americans think the world doesn't exist before 1776.

[Libby Emmons]

It doesn't really.

[Tim Pool]

But this is where the culture becomes shared with, with Britain. And there was a crisis. I forgot what it was. And the argument is that strong men make good times, good times make weak men. So you have a generation that goes through hardship and they're hardened and hardworking. The weak are culled through conflict and the strong survive. They have kids who don't know this conflict and so they enjoy prosperity. Good times. They're fairly weak. They have weaker kids. By the fourth generation, you have a society that has largely grown fat, lazy and incompetent. And then this leads to a crisis where the weak will die off, the strong will survive. You'll get very hard times. The prediction is 2028 is supposed to be the peak period for the fourth turning, which it's arguably between 26 and 28.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah. But also people, people, I don't think I've been arguing for this for years, but you guys are much younger than me. So you've grown up during the Internet age. You sometimes don't even know what it was like before it. You know, whereas I was like half my life was with the Internet, half was, was not. And like, I think that people, the, the big historical precedent that we all have to think about is the printing press.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh yeah, because the printing press, total mistake.

[Graham Linehan]

And then there was some of you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Seen some of the Books that they.

[Graham Linehan]

But, but after the printing press, I believe there was a hundred years of pure chaos because everybody who had a Bible and a theory like on the seventh page, if you read the seventh line, was able to turn that into a religion. So there were pogroms, there were, there were massacres, there were all sorts. I went hundred years, we've just had the Internet, which is like the printing.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Press certainly is times a billion.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, times a billion. What's it going to do? It's already doing something. This trans came from nowhere.

[Libby Emmons]

How many is an Internet civil rights.

[Tim Pool]

Movement like starting Tumbling Trans is part of the transhumanist phenomenon. And so I think the big tech people pursued and defended this because they want one of the arguments accelerated. One of the arguments in like the 2000s, 2010s was that the way we stop the Terminator scenario was by integrating ourselves with the machine.

[Graham Linehan]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

So these, these powerful big tech guys were like, we're going to plug the machine into our brains. So when the trans argument came up about how there is an identity within you, they said, let's roll with it.

[Graham Linehan]

Right?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. That was like my downfall was writing about transhumanism for Colette.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I also just think that transgenderism is kind of this almost like biblical poetic punishment for the sexual revolution because people stopped using sex for its proper end. And then they also got very confused about what sex they were. It just goes to show you, when you stop living in accordance with God's plan, everything falls apart. Like these aren't just rules, they're invitations to happiness. And you go, you go back to Alfred Kinsey. I've talked about this on the show before. He wrote this work, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male. And this was in the 1940s in the US and this is what many leftist scholars have said laid the groundwork scientifically for the sexual revolution. And in order to justify it, because his work supposedly found that everyone in society was secretly engaged in all sorts of perverse and degenerate behaviors and they just weren't talking about it. This is his famous contribution. Well, as it turns out, he was oversampling prisoners, people who are in jail for sex offenses, prostitutes also back in the 1940s, what kind of person is going to answer a survey asking them about their sex lives? Probably people who are a bit more off the beaten path, to use a nice euphemism there. And then the most incriminating and dire thing. Thing is, I won't be explicit about this cuz it's too horrible to even say out loud. But he had an entire table in his book that could only have been described and obtained through the repeated sexual abuse of many, many, many young boys. So essentially what happened was a bunch of little boys were abused. And the Kinsey foundation denies that he abused them. It simply says he interviewed a person who was abusing them. I believe that's their current line. And collected a bunch of data on little boys that you would only have if you were abusing them. And published it in this book. And we celebrate him to this day in our institutions. The Kinsey Institute still exists and they made a movie about him where Liam Neeson played him. And my point is like this guy named. Laid out the framework for the sexual landscape that we live in. Remember that money guy?

[Libby Emmons]

John Money?

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

John Money as well. John Money was also.

[Taylor Hansen]

Yeah, he mutilated children's narrative. One more thing, the whole thing with Kinsey that actually his research was picked up, picked up from people that fled World War II Germany and essentially use that said research to create and help push forward the Kinsey Institute and all that research that he did.

[Tim Pool]

We've got a couple of minutes before we go to the Super Chat and Rumble rant portion of the show, but I want to play this clip from my earlier debate with the CEO of the of Liquid Death. And let me just start by prefacing with I won a million dollars. He. He's the one who threw that number out there. Let me play the clip for you and then we'll discuss what happened earlier and what I would like to see see happen. One other question I have, it says on this can we donate a portion of the profits from every can sold to help kill plastic pollution. I checked your site. Do you want to explain? I don't know if you're allowed to tell us what portion of the profits actually goes towards fighting plastic pollution.

[Graham Linehan]

Well, in the early days of Liquid death it was. We had a specific number. We had. It was like 5 cents a can was what we. What we donated in the very early days. Days as the business. Well, actually it was the original thing was 5% of the profits we were donating. Your.

[Tim Pool]

Your site in 2021 says 10%.

[Graham Linehan]

No, no, no, not 10%.

[Tim Pool]

The website Liquid Death archived 2021 says 10% of all sales per can goes to fighting plastic pollution.

[Graham Linehan]

That was never on our site.

[Tim Pool]

It's how much you Want to bet?

[Graham Linehan]

Percent.

[Tim Pool]

He want.

[Graham Linehan]

Doesn't say 10%.

[Tim Pool]

How much you want to bet? Gentleman's bet, because I have the archive pulled up.

[Graham Linehan]

Million dollars are you sure I'm ready? I know we never put that on there.

[Tim Pool]

Everyone watching right now can see archive.org 10% of the profits from every can is donated to help kill plastic pollution. I don't know if you're able to see. Actually, you know what? Yeah, I can't. I can't put it on my screen. If you. If you. Everybody watching can see that it says 10%. Buddy, you owe me a million bucks. Bucks. Hey, hey, hey, hey. You said it.

[Graham Linehan]

Tell me where to make the check out.

[Tim Pool]

To a plastic fighting charity. Yeah, I'm not mad that you're saying 10. I think it's good that.

[Graham Linehan]

That I could. I could show you detailed legal stuff within there. That is someone who needs to be fired. That running our website, because that is never. It's never been on a can. It's never been anywhere else like that is.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just gonna go and say I don't believe him. Here's the actual archive from Liquid Death's page. You can see the URL right up here. I'm going to copy it and I'm going to open it and paste it in. And here you can see it links straight to their website where they did. I will give them this ad that their cans do contain a plastic liner inside of them. This is their website. It literally says 10% of the profits from every can is donated to help kill plastic pollution. I think he's lying. You know, look, I respect the guy for having this. This conversation and exposing himself in this way, but I think it's lying. I think they intended to do that. I think as the company expanded, they realized 10% is too much to give away. That's my opinion of it. He's saying, no, I can show you all these. Well, I say this. Liquid Death. Hear me. You already work with 5 gyres. On their website. At the bottom it says they work with 5 gyres. Science to Solutions to nonprofits. Profit they brought in in their last nine, nine nine zero. That's available for I think 20, 24, $1.2 million total. Certainly seems like, in my opinion, that Liquid Death actually doesn't give them that much money. But, you know, okay, fine, whatever. I mean, I don't know how much money they're actually generating in profit because he doesn't disclose that. So I say this. Write a check for $1 million. Liquid death to 5 gyres. Settle the bet. You said it over and over again, my mike. A million dollars. You've never put that on your website. You did. You Lost the bet. I think it'd be very cool. I think it's a great opportunity for you guys to publicly make a statement that you lost the bet. But you're putting your money where your mouth is to fight plastic pollution with a million dollar check. Hey guys, you can write it off. And I'm gonna say this. The beef that I had in this debate was that Liquid Death says death to plastic on it. But every can has. Now when I search this, it's 0.5 to 1 gram of plastic lining the can, which there are concerns it's leaching into your drink. That's my concern. It's just non recyclable plastic. Not to mention, he says the cans are infinitely recyclable. But the can literally says on it it contains 70% average aluminum. Can contain 70% recycled material. So that's not infinitely recyclable. That's 70% recyclable. I think they're. I think Liquid Death plays this game of we're anti plastic while actually just adding to single use plastic consumption. They, he says they got rid of the Death Dust packets. These were drink mixes. They had lined plastic as they got rid of them. But they produce soft drink cans. That can for can for any other company produces the same amount of plastic. He then says when we recycle it, we burn it off. Yes, plastic in the can is burned off in the recycling process which converts it to carbon dioxide, water vapor and small amounts of plastic particulates which are absorbed into a filter. That filter has to be then disposed of in a similar way. It's still creating pollution. Granted, I'll give it to them. They're much better than pet plastic bottles. However, if they really wanted to play the game of fighting plastic, they could be like Topo Chico or Minaragua who do not actually claim Death the plastic, but the caps. Single use metal pop caps contain.05 grams of plastic in the liner to keep it sealed. Substantially less plastic than Liquid Death. I don't. I think they're dishonest. I think that they're doing an environmental play because it works among lefties. That's why they do the witches cursing the drink. They're targeting the left and these libs and they're claiming death to plastic while in fact they're just producing more plastic. There's no evidence to suggest that Liquid Death has displaced any amount of plastic bottles in the market. And if they really wanted to, like I said, Topo Chico is cheaper at Walmart than Liquid Death. Tell me how that is. I Honestly have no idea. But he put this big thing on Twitter saying if I wanted to sell pool water, water, which we are actually working on right now. And I have some updates for you for all those that are curious about our caspru.com pool water. So it looks like we probably are going to increase the price from 20 bucks up for a few reasons. We want to put them in cardboard boxes and we want to use paper stickers and those are more expensive. The initial cost that we were looking at to get $0.08 profit per bottle would have been shrink wrapped in plastic. Plastic. And we thought about it, we were like, I'm not, I'm not playing this anti plastic game like there. So I didn't care. But then we went to the price. We're like, we could do cardboard boxes, make it look a lot cooler. That means it's going to be more, it's going to be closer to like 30 bucks a pack. Which is just a reality. I will give him that. When he said, you know, Mike argued on X we have to sell these 24 packs for $83, which is just another insane lot. And there are people tweeting at me being like, take advice from the CEO of a drink company. Tim. I went to Walmart and Topo Chico is 12 bucks for a 12 pack. It's a dollar a bottle. What are you talking about? I can buy glass bottles with no plastic in the cap for a buck a piece.

[Ian Crossland]

I think the Topo Chico's, they have rubber, they have like plastic underneath the pop caps. And it's about the scratch. It's not about the amount of plastic touching the liquid. It's about the scratches that the plastic takes.

[Tim Pool]

No, the issue is they're producing plastic pollution that they burn and say it's better than plastic bottles.

[Ian Crossland]

There's the argument of who's making more plastic waste and there's the argument of who's getting more microplastic into their stomach when they drink the liquid.

[Tim Pool]

And there's one French study suggesting that twist caps can put more microplastics in your drinking water. Pop caps we don't have a study on. And I'd argue at 0.05 grams of plastic, the likelihood you're getting more microplastics in your glass bottled water compared to a literal plastic lined can with plastic. Plastic, every dimension is laughably absurd.

[Ian Crossland]

The upside of those is they don't get the sunlight because sunlight will, will leach your plastic into your liquid. So you want to be careful. But the metal can will block the radiation from the sun or something.

[Tim Pool]

I get it. Plastic water bottles suck. It is 0.8 cents per fluid ounce for a plastic water bottle. When you bought that trash, it's insanely cheap.

[Libby Emmons]

Where's the water coming from?

[Tim Pool]

A variety of sources. So spring water imported from like the Swiss Alps or Iceland is going to be very expensive. It's going to be I think upwards of like $0.20 per ounce. Even as high as $0.50 depending on the source of water. If you're doing American sourced artesian water or reverse osmosis like Dasani for instance. Dasani is municipal tap water, not a joke. And they make a ton of money. So I'll give it to him. Plastic water bottles are bad. The issue is that Liquid Death is not a water company. Even Mike said it's 15% of their business at this point. They are a soft drink company company, no different from Coke or any other drink producer. In a can and can for can, they produce the exact same amount of plastic. He said he committed to changing the bot the cans because it says death to plastic on every can. He's going to put death to plastic bottles. Okay, sure, fine.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a real misleading marketing ploy for Liquid Death to talk bad about plastic and have your.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me, let me tell you this. The hammer drop from the interview that I did. Did I feel a little bad about this because Liquid Death is growing, they're getting big. And I'm not trying to rag on these guys who are trying to push back against the monopolies of Coke and Pepsi. I feel kind of bad about Coke and Pepsi. Own everything and they lock it up.

[Libby Emmons]

They lack plastic in their cans too.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely. Every can does. Now here's the issue with Liquid Death, homie straight up admitted to an FTC violation on a live stream on my channel with 1.5 million people. And I started laughing and I said, bro, did you talk to your lawyer before planning this? Cuz that's a pretty wild thing. Here's what happened. He said death to Plastic is just a slogan. It's not a claim. There are a bunch of companies that have slogans. And then he said, like Red Bull gives you wings. I then laughed and said, it's funny you bring that up because as you know, the ftc, I believe it was the FTC fined Red Bull for the claim Red Bull gives you wings. I think it was a 13 or 14 million dollars to which he incorrectly responded, yeah, but who, that's ridiculous. Who actually believed that Red Bull was going to make you grow wings? Which was Never. Why they got fined. They were fine under the FTC because the argument was red Bull gives you wings implies that Red Bull will enhance your physical or mental performance more than a caffeinated soda, which it will not, because Red Bull is effectively just the same as any other caffeinated soda. Soda. So many people think Red Bull's an energy drink. It's just caffeinated soda. Coca Cola has caffeine in it as well. Red Bull, I believe, has more. But if you look at, like, Monster and other energy drinks that have, you know, ginseng, guarana, B vitamins and other things, those are energy drinks. He then said several times that he surveyed his customers and found the overwhelming majority were not buying them because it was plastic free. They were doing it. I think he said it was because it was an alternative to plastic bottles. He then admitted, some of our customers we found were buying this because they thought it was free from plastic, but it was a minority to. Which is shocking to me because he outright said the slogan we use death to plastic misled a portion of our customer base into buying our product. We've known this for years and we've never changed it. That's what he said publicly and live. I addressed this and additionally said the controversy surrounding plastic bags inside of this, because you can look it up, has been around for years, and they never changed their marketing. They knew that it misled a certain portion of their customer base. They knew there was a controversy surrounding this. They didn't change it until I, with millions of followers, called them out and there was a backlash on social media.

[Graham Linehan]

Oh, is that how you got the entry? Is that why you got the. I was wondering how the interview came about.

[Tim Pool]

So the other. The other thing, the reason this came out is because long time ago, I bought liquid Death. I didn't know aluminum cans had plastic in them. I thought it was just straight up metal. And I bought it because I didn't. We wanted to create a. We wanted to have here for our guests a plastic free. A plastic alternative to our drinking water. We have plastic water bottles. I don't care. And we also had Saratoga Springs at the time. We now have reusable glass water bottles that are downstairs and they have silicone seals on them. When I found out they said plastic, my brother told me I spent thousands of dollars. I was kind of peeved because I'm like, it says death to plastic on it. I didn't know. My brother actually used caustic soda to melt the metal off. And you can see the bag dangling and you can look this up on YouTube. Everybody does it. So I got pissed. And the thing is, Richie Jackson, who is a friend of ours and is sponsored by the boonies, rode for them. He was sponsored by them. And so I said, said one thing. There's a conflict of interest between us because of our mutual colleague. I'm not going to say anything. I did, however, call out the general concept without naming Liquid Death, which I didn't want to cause problems for. You know, we have a mutual colleague. So I decided, you know, however, he, he recently, Liquid Death fired all of their skateboarders who by the way, were getting paid like 500 bucks a month, not even that much money, and had been with them since the beginning, since the inception of this company, company. He fired them all. And Richie put out a video saying, I'm no longer associated with Liquid Death. They lost a customer. And so I said, hey, I don't gotta be polite to these people anymore. Made a post about it, said it's misleading, it's deceptive marketing practices. I think I respect him for coming on because, and I do mean this, very few big company CEOs would dare address the public like this. He was decently honest in a lot of regards where he said, we've updated our website. We're going to update, update the marketing. But I think he's just now caught. They're not a water company anymore. They do soft drinks, they do sodas. I respect the drink. It's a low sugar drink. That's what I'm all about. But the marketing was a trick. And so the final thing I'll say on this before we go to your rumble rants, the last bit of the, of the conversation we had was around the termination of his skateboard team. And he said they spent around $40,000 per year sponsoring a handful of skateboarders who get a couple hundred bucks a month. Month. So I would argue logically he is correct. As a business, you can't just sponsor people without seeing a return. Businesses don't just give money away. Fair point. Spiritually, he's wrong. What I want to add to this, that I didn't say at the time, but I'll say now. This is a company valued at $1.4 billion. Brought in a ton of investment. He says they're not yet profitable. And that means they're putting the money back into expansion of the business. So they could be profitable if they want to grow and they want to distribute more. That's my assumption. Consumption. $330 million in sales they don't get all of that because that's retail sales. So based on what he said, he said they have 40% margins. Retail is about a buck per can. And he said that retailers want 50% margins, distributors want around a 30% margin. So we can actually do simple math in that regard. And then he says we have a 40% margin. So this means the wholesalers, or I'm sorry, the retailers are getting these for about 50 cents a can because they want to pay 50% margin, which means by the time the distributor is giving it out, they're selling it to Walmart for 50 cents. So if they want 30% of 50, that's 15 cents, which means he's likely selling them for 35 cents to the distributors, which means if he has a 40% margin, it's around 20 or so cents that he's his cost per can. So we can, we can do all that math. Then you can take a look at, I think he said it's 175 million cans. You can do the math on how much money they're making every year as a company. So it's in the tens of millions of dollars. Spiritually, you have a handful of pro skateboarders. It is the lowest point in skateboarding ever. Skateboarders are struggling to get by. They're working at Amazon and it's 500amonth. And these guys were with the company since the company started, and he said, well, companies don't have an obligation to just pay these people forever, so you're all fired. What was. And I'll give them this, logically, fine, by all means. But there's something just genuinely, spiritually awful about saying the skate industry could not be in a worse position. All pro skateboarders are hurting. We're going to throw another log on this fire that is the skateboard industry and pull a couple hundred bucks from you per month. But what I'm going to add to this is that what he said, and I'm paraphrasing, but he effectively said most of this. Most I'm paraphrasing. He said the skateboarders all basically said nice things. Richie was the only one who said something disparaging on the way out. And he said something like, I understand this hurt. This, this, this hurt him pretty bad because losing a couple, because he lost a couple hundred bucks per month when he doesn't have that many sponsors left as it is, or something like this. And when he said that, it was really funny to me because I was like, wow. Like, he literally spat in Richie's face to say, hey to Richie, pro skateboarder. He has the video. He has a skate video with more views than any other skate skate video in history. Well, to be fair, Nigel Houston may have just surpassed him, but it's comparable. So he has rivaling at. For. For like 10 years, the most viewed skateboard in history. And he said, I know it was particularly hard for him to lose a couple hundred bucks a month because he doesn't have that many sponsors.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Is that what he said?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm like, absolutely classless because I can tell you this, Richie Jackson is not hurting for the $500 in any way. I. I'm not pretending like Richie's a wealthy man, but he is. He is certainly a stable. He has. He's of stable income, and he's doing fine. So to imply that taking the 500 bucks away from him is what pissed him off. It was just insult to injury. The reality is Richie was upset because he was with Liquid Death from. From the start. Every time we do videos, Richie always tries to make sure Liquid Death is seen on camera in some way because they sponsor him. That's his job. And it's. And I respect it because they only gave him a couple hundred bucks a month. But Richie loved the brand. He made a Simpsons video on his Instagram, like, where he did the voices about buying Liquid Death. It was the. It was the cracker factory joke. And then he just revoiced it. Do Shingle people drink Liquid Death? We don't know. Quite frankly, we don't want to know. And then what happens is abruptly, without warning, a new guy at the company he's never heard of sends him a message saying, you're off the team. The team's disbanded. And so Richie felt like he was betrayed by a company he'd been with from the beginning. For $500. That's it. So this company was spending like 3,600, 3,700 bucks a month to keep the OGs receiving some cash to sponsor the brand, and homie didn't care.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So I think that is. I think it's nasty. I can respect Liquid Death is better than plastic bottles, but let's just point this out. There are many companies that only sell in cans. They don't sell plastic bottles. They don't claim they're trying to destroy plastic bottles either. And don't market it like there's some environmentally sound company. They just say, it's a drink in a can can. Liquid Death is literally no different from Celsius. Or Mountain Dew or whatever. Granted, to be fair, I find Mountain Dew is going to be in a plastic bottle as well. They are producing cans lined in plastic while pretending they're anti plastic. I think it's despicable.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, listen, I mean it's, it pisses me off because. And I've always had issues with the brand. My understanding is there's rumors that they were saying they were having it cursed or something like that. I think you mentioned that earlier.

[Tim Pool]

They have a commercial, I guess, where they curse the water.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's horrifying. I, I very much dislike that. I think that's horrible. And with the comment about Richie, I mean, if this guy truly believed that Richie had nothing left and needed this money, the idea that you would kick him while he was down by making a shitty comment like that is. It's just totally classless. Totally classless.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me stress one of, one of, one of the complaints that people have about Richie is the, that for what he does as a pro skateboarder. I shouldn't say complaints. It's just that he's living all right. Like he's, he's, with all due respect to Richie, he is an aging professional skateboarder who is living a, he's got a middle class life and a lot of these pro skateboarders don't. Some of these guys are working at Home Depot. They're doing Uber deliveries. And Richie doesn't have to do that because he's, he's had success in his career. So if it were correct that Richie was destitute and desperately needed 500 bucks a month from Liquid Dao death, how crappy would it be to spit on him in a live show saying that?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, I don't like that at all. I don't like that at all.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, well, my personal issues, I've always despised this brand. Says death on the can. They talk shit about plastic on the plastic product that they're selling. And then the CEO in your interview, hardcore says, I guarantee it did not say 10%. I know it. A million. I will give you a million dollars. Like what kind of dope talks like that? That absolute guarantee it when it's in then turns out not to be true. I just good for him that he's worth 1.4 billion. But it's a garbage product.

[Tim Pool]

No, I disagree. I think Liquid Death is a great drink.

[Ian Crossland]

Garbage. It lies about plastic, dude. It doesn't lie.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't like death.

[Ian Crossland]

Sorry to interrupt you, but yeah, I.

[Tim Pool]

Think it's fair to say that a Reasonable person would conclude that death to plastic means they don't have plastic in their products. And I will stress this again. He tried arguing to me that glass bottles have more plastic because there's 2 grams in the twist off cap. And then when I fact checked it for one for pop tops on like a topo chico, it's 05.

[Graham Linehan]

What was that you were saying about the bag? There's a bag of this? What do you mean?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Let me show you the lining.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I didn't know about this either. I had no idea that that's how these things were made.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody. And this is fascinating, here is Graham telling me. It's funny when people are like, everybody knows there's plastic in cans. No, they don't.

[Graham Linehan]

No, I had no idea.

[Tim Pool]

Take a look at that. So if you take a can of liquid death, or any can for that matter, and you submerge it partially in caustic soda, lye mixture, it will eat them. Don't do this at home. Seriously guys, it's very dangerous. Don't do it. So in lab conditions where they do this, you can melt the plastic, I'm sorry, melt the metal away, exposing only the plastic. So. So the caustic soda will bond with the metal, releasing hydrogen gas. And I think it's like hydrogen oxide or something like that. And then the plastic is left untouched and you can literally pick up the can and shake the plastic bag full of liquid.

[Graham Linehan]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

This is a great opportunity for this company to go hard on plastic remediation though, because there's fungus that will eat biodegrade. It'll eat plastic and turn it into sugar. There's bacteria that will eat plastic. You can electrocute the stuff and turn it into graphene.

[Tim Pool]

He said he was committed to changing the hashtag to death to plastic bottles. And I said, fair. I don't know how you rectify the entire history of the company misleading people in this way. That's a question for him and the ftc.

[Ian Crossland]

A plastic bottle in the can, It's a.

[Tim Pool]

It is substantially. It's about 10% of the plastic of a pet bottle.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What's that?

[Graham Linehan]

The slogan doesn't work in the same way. Death to plastic bottles is a little bit on the nose. Death to plastic is an actual slogan.

[Tim Pool]

But you can't do it because it's misleading. And he admitted. I'm going to say we're going to go to rants right now, but I want to stress, he admitted on a public stream. So, you know, I'm a bit torn on this one. But I'll say it. There are many people out there that have been tweeting angry, saying they didn't know this. He admitted on the show they were aware that a portion of their customer base thought the slogan meant plastic free and they did not change it. That is an outright FTC violation. Red Bull got fined for less. Red Bull got fined because they implied that the drink enhanced your performance. And the argument was caffeinated sodas are no more. You know, Red Bull's no more than any other caffeinated soda.

[Ian Crossland]

I think it's really cool that he came on the show, talked to you and that it's an alternate company to big mega corps like Coke and Pepsi. So, like, if the options are we're gonna sue this, use the government to sue this dude's company and break it, or watch the company transform into something that's actually remediating plastic, I'll take the second choice.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't like the idea that Liquid Death would become a successful billion dollar company off the back of a lie like this. And I also think, again, like I said, I didn't want to say it, but I'll say it. I think any law, like there's probably a bunch of law firms that watch this show that are outright being like, I'm going to make the fastest $10 million I've ever made. They're going to settle with the FTC in two seconds and the law firm is going to get. It's going to. I imagine there could be a class action, deceptive practices, sustainable suit, potential FTC fine. And they're going to have to pay out a lot of money. And the law firm that does this is going to make a cool, you know, 10 million bucks like that. The individual who bought the product will see a check in the mail in, in two years for 75 cents.

[Taylor Hansen]

But it's.

[Tim Pool]

So we're going to. We got to, we got to go to. Rumble rants, smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. No, no uncensored show tonight, but we'll read what you guys have to say. Jacob Paul, he says breaking him in Port Washington, Wisconsin. No Kings Protesters have surrounded city hall and loud bangs have been heard. Sounds like sh. Or fireworks. Police sirens going off and people are running. Whoa. Really? I thought it was going to be tomorrow.

[Taylor Hansen]

Sounds like Salt Lake last. No, King's protest.

[Tim Pool]

O man. Yeah. Where that dude got shot.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, well.

[Taylor Hansen]

And they didn't even kill him, right? Yeah, he killed him. He killed a random bystander and they Never charged him.

[Tim Pool]

They arrested the wrong guy, arrested the.

[Taylor Hansen]

Wrong guy, charged the wrong guy. And then the guy that actually murdered somebody, he's just still walking the street.

[Tim Pool]

And here I am defending antifa. Yep. There was an antifa guy, open caring as he's legally allowed to do. And these two, no Kings organizer, like they're no king Security guys involved with the organization 501 just pulled their guns out and started shooting at them. 500.

[Taylor Hansen]

501.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. 50. There you go. Security for them opened fire in this guy who was open carrying legally and shot some dude. I believe he killed him right down the street.

[Taylor Hansen]

Yeah, Missed. Missed the rounds. He tried to actually kill the guy that was open carrying who had actually had a long history of attending those protests and open carrying. He wasn't raising his gun like the. The guy that actually fired the shot said that he was a threat because he saw him raise it towards the crowd. New video that came out.

[Tim Pool]

The cops arrested the innocent guy who was attacked. And actually I. I think someone mentioned that his family had thanked us on the show for talking about it and saying he was innocent. Look, the guy carrying the gun, he's a lefty antifa guy, but you got a right to open carry. You know what I mean? I think it's a bad.

[Taylor Hansen]

His parents are conservative.

[Tim Pool]

Conservative. Oh, are they?

[Taylor Hansen]

Yes. Parents are very conservative.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I. I hope they. I believe, actually, I hope they can help this kid, you know, better understand. Yeah, no, I think he got released. I think he got lucky.

[Taylor Hansen]

Yeah, I think he ended up getting released. But just the idea that this guy that actually murdered an innocent man is still walking the streets with no repercussions, no charges.

[Libby Emmons]

That's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Vic Sam says we should send Seamus a giant spoon as a prop for him to have on the show.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I don't get it.

[Tim Pool]

Look up beyond the Veil trailer by Mythic Talent Talent. Case O's fork as an example and a potato skin shield.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You know me.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I think Seamus should. Should offer white labeled cutlery, bro. I'm not joking. If you. If you. If you did, like.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, we've talked about that. I want to.

[Graham Linehan]

Maybe we.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Maybe we plot some of this.

[Tim Pool]

Or your fundraiser for Twisted. Let me.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Let's talk about some of this behind the scenes.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, it's going to some of this.

[Tim Pool]

Behind the scenes, bro. Like an engraved spoon set that you could buy. And. And the proceeds go towards funding twisted plastic.

[Ian Crossland]

Your head kind of looks like a fork. Like your hair sticking up like the four things. That's awesome, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he's not stealing forks.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He said, well, I don't steal spoons either, Tim. You know me. You know I would never do that.

[Tim Pool]

I want to stress everyone. Seamus made this whole thing up himself.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, Tim did. He accused me, smeared me on air.

[Graham Linehan]

You know.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You know I would never do that.

[Ian Crossland]

So if you took one of Tim spoons, and then he was like. And you're like, I stole your spoon. He's like, actually, you can just hit have it. So you're not stealing? No, I refuse.

[Tim Pool]

I'll tell you the story. Your offer. We have at one of our houses. We have an apartment in the basement that Seamus had been staying in. And Allison was doing the dishes. And she goes, there's a few spoons missing. I was like, oh, I don't know. And then she's like, oh, maybe Sheamus was using them downstairs. Sheamus comes upstairs, and my wife is like, oh, Seamus, did you bring it? Did you have any spoons downstairs? And he goes, oh, yeah, I got a couple here. And he's like, I'll go grab them. It's not even a big deal at all. And then Seamus abruptly goes, there's an Irishman under my house stealing my spoons. And then I ran with it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I don't. You know me. You know I would never do that. That never happened. That never happened.

[Tim Pool]

The story is just very mundane and boring.

[Seamus Coughlin]

There's this thing. I like to joke, but I know, like, they say people in Ireland don't like when people in America call themselves Irish. But I just want you all to know, like, we're not bragging. It's really. It's an admission. It really is like, I gotta come clean.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Freedom spoons, dude. It writes itself. The chat saying freedom.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Let's talk about it. Yeah, let's talk about it after the show.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's grab some more of this. We got the Irish says, finally got to listen live. Usually at work the next day. Full day of Pool Corp shows. Just want to say thank you for everything and God bless you all. Thank you so much for the super chat. We really appreciate it. Oh, yeah, I forgot to give you the updates on the. On the pool water. So locally, for people on the east coast in the D.C. area, you should be able to find these. Once we start sending them out for the allotted price, it's going to be like, probably a $150 to 2 bucks per bottle because we want to put them in. In cardboard boxes with paper stickers. So we. We. We do want to Reduce the plastic. So it will be.

[Libby Emmons]

Are these going to be like in bodegas and stuff?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So we're, we're talking with distributors about having them in like you, you'll go.

[Libby Emmons]

To a, like a local pizza 11 or whatever.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Or you'll go to a pizza place and they'll have like pool water. We are looking at doing cans as well because I again I got no problem. They have a can with plastic lined in it. It's a choice you can make. Do you want the glass, you want the plastic? And we're going to look for single use pop cap plastic as well. So if you want to order these from the site and you're in the west coast, it's going to be expensive. Right? That's a fact. You're. These are going to be like 30 to 35 pounds and so you're. Or I think it's for like a case and then you got to pay the shipping on that stuff. So hopefully we can, we can get it regionally produced when we do expand. But I will stress for a gag product we launched locally the, the, the producer is seriously like within 10 minutes driving of us. It's something we can easily pick up in our, in our F150 van. We can carry I think something like. I don't know what like a thousand bottles? No, I think like 1500 bottles is a total weight capacity. So our, our delivery cost is going to be really, really, really low. So that means all the local business would be really easy. We have it, we have a handful of stores in mind that we think will carry lot of a them. You could order them direct from the site once they're up which should be very soon. Because we wanted to. Oh because we wanted to change it from shrink wrap plastic cases. You know, kind of defeats the purpose. We're going to put it, we're going to, we're going to wait to get the cardboard boxes made. But it was already going to be a four week stock period where they have to make everything. So it'll be coming soon. All right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh by the way, I just want like this has been, it's been very impressive and very surreal to see Tim build this brand in like two and a half days. I woke up the other day and there was no understanding that this going to happen. And then like halfway through the day he comes up with this idea and then he's on the phone with people. It wasn't me label made.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't come up with it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Who came up with it initially?

[Tim Pool]

It Was my brother or Mark said something about you, you should just sell your own water. And then Andy goes, pool water. And we all laughed. My brother said, that's disgusting. No one will buy that. But we all thought it was hilarious.

[Ian Crossland]

I say chlorine free on the bottle.

[Tim Pool]

Then we're going to do green tea pond water water. We're gonna do carbonated spa water. And I don't. Someone suggested sea water, but I'm like, what, like a salt drink?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Andy came up with the name. I'm surprised it wasn't. I feel like whenever Chris names something, he tries to find, like, the funniest name he can while still having some plausible deniability, that that's what he's actually saying.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's a very crisp thing to do.

[Graham Linehan]

I like the way you're leaning into the name by having it buy a pool.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was Jessica who did the. Because the. The. This is the actual. This is the actual bottle from our distributor.

[Graham Linehan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And. But it wasn't always by a pool. It was on a white background. Right. And so don't drink out of. I was like, the white background makes it look fake, like it's not real. And she was like, oh, I got this. And then she. She put it at a pool. So we actually talked about today, and we were like, why don't we do cans too?

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, then they can actually drink them by the pool.

[Tim Pool]

But for that matter, we could also do plastic. Plastic. I don't think we'll do plastic bottles. I think we'll just do cans and glass bottles. And there. Is there. I gotta be honest, like, liquid, I think. Wrong. The glass bottle top is gonna have more plastic in it than the. Than the cans will. That's the problem.

[Ian Crossland]

It scrapes off and in transit before they get screwed onto the top. They're all these caps in a bag scraping against each other, cutting. But you can do, like, bamboo and silicone, and you can also do stainless steel caps.

[Tim Pool]

We are looking for silicone or. Or cork. I want to read this. Mark. Mark G. Says shut up about water bottles. No one cares. You are wrong, bro. Dude, we have never had. No, no, it's not a joke. The reason why I'm talking about it so much. We have never had this reaction for. For one of our products we launched through Casper. We've got, like, the website traffic exploded yesterday and we've been inundated with emails asking how to get pool water bottles. And we've had distributors reaching out to us saying, we want to put this in Our warehouse, we serve these states in this region, and we're like, holy crap. Like, the amount of people reaching out to us about wanting to buy pool water is crazy. And so we were like, okay, let's figure it out. Make pool water. So, yeah, a lot of people. Martin Edgar says Red Bull settled a lawsuit for $13 million in 2014. I remember John Tamsula says, tim, pool water is a funny idea. I love it. Have you guys heard about the PA systems getting hacked in North American airports? Four, I believe, one in Harrisburg. Did you guys hear about that? Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. So these airports got hacked, and over the PA system, people started yelling pro Palestinian messages.

[Tim Pool]

Whoa, that's creepy.

[Libby Emmons]

It was like, I think that's what.

[Graham Linehan]

You want to hear just before you get on.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I was gonna say, like, I'm all for free speech, but the airport's not. Not the place.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I think there was, like, one or like one was in Canada. There were a couple.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. Well, ladies and gentlemen, that about does it for tonight. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone. You know, I do have some segments coming up through the weekend. I have. I got some pre records for you guys, and we do have segments from the show. And then tomorrow's no Kings protest probably gonna get rowdy. So stay tuned because should there be any very serious breaking news, of course we. I will personally. I'll hop on and we'll see what happens. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Graham, do you want to shout anything out?

[Graham Linehan]

Oh, not. Not just what. I have a substack the Glenn or update. I got a memoir that's very hard to find, so you can buy it on Amazon, I think, called Tough Crowd. And yeah, that's about it.

[Tim Pool]

Right on, Taylor.

[Taylor Hansen]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Taylor.

[Taylor Hansen]

Usa T, A, Y, L, E, R USA on X. And that's it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm launching a new show called Twisted Plot. We cannot win the culture war if we're not making culture. I have experience doing this. I know it's something that you guys want and that you're really going to enjoy. We cannot let these lunatics dominate the entertainment space. Help me out. Go over to Twisted plots dot com. Contribute. I'm gonna make a great show for you guys. I've got the experience. I've got the team. If you give me your support, I will be completely unstoppable.

[Tim Pool]

And he's got the chutzpah.

[Graham Linehan]

Oh, can I say. I just. I. I never mentioned friendly fire. And Rob goes. Notes. Rob Schneider is. Is the guy who's who's kind of employing me to write some TV and films over here.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Graham Linehan]

So he's got a new company called Friendly Friendly Fire, so keep an eye out for it, I guess.

[Tim Pool]

Right on.

[Ian Crossland]

Follow me at Ian, Crossland and Graham, your Glennar is your X account. GLI N N E R. And also wanted to remind you guys about Sora. I have updated my likeness into the. I'm now a hologram. So you go to sora.com iancrosslin and command it to make videos of me doing all sorts of wild and crazy things. And you can also upload your own likeness. Get ahead of the curve and join the machine. Do it willingly before it's taken from you.

[Libby Emmons]

No, definitely not.

[Graham Linehan]

We can't really do that, you and me. Who would be misused so badly.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm Libby Emmons. You can find me on Twitter Ibie Emmons. And also, it would be great if you subscribe to my newsletter. I write it up every day about the news and whatever random thing I'm thinking about. Today was about Zoran Mamdani. Threatening, not threatening, complaining that Andrew Cuomo had never entered a mosque. And somehow this is a qualification. This is like a necessary qualification to be the mayor of New York City. You must have gone to a mosque, even if you're, you know, an old Italian Christian guy.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What if Cuomo was like, and I never will.

[Libby Emmons]

But he didn't. Here's the thing. He bent the knee. Seamus. No, he bent the D. And he started saying, oh, my, Louis, I've been to ma. You know, my constituents. And he basically, yeah, he capitulated that this was a standard. So if Cuomo wins, he's going to be beholden to the DSA anyway, your only chance is to vote for. For Curtis Lewa.

[Taylor Hansen]

I think disavow.

[Tim Pool]

Shocker, he's winning the meme vote. I was actually surprised to see, Really. I mean, I'm not. It's not a joke.

[Libby Emmons]

He's the only one who actually, I think, cares about quality of life in New York City.

[Tim Pool]

The comments that I'm seeing from leftists, from, like, lib Twitter, is that Zoran says something like, I want to figure out how to make health care affordable for New Yorkers. Cuomo then says something like, I'm Italian. It's just the way I act. And then Sliwa says, four years ago, I was shot in the ass. I was going down the street stairs. And people are like, I got to vote for this guy. So any. Anyway, anyway, he was.

[Libby Emmons]

Let's let's shot in the back of a cab in 1992 by the mob by, like, John Gotti.

[Seamus Coughlin]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

On.

[Libby Emmons]

So anyways, the newsletter, you can sign up for it atthe post millennial.com Libby Thanks.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody, we will be back throughout the weekend and then of course, on Monday. Thank you so much for hanging out. We'll see. Yeah. Sam.