Leftist Terror Attack On ICE In Dallas, Jimmy Kimmel Doubles Down Insulting MAGA w/ Marty O'Donnell

Summary

Timcast IRL – Episode Summary

Date: September 25, 2025
Title: Leftist Terror Attack On ICE In Dallas, Jimmy Kimmel Doubles Down Insulting MAGA w/ Marty O'Donnell
Host: Tim Pool & Timcast Media Panel
Guest: Marty O’Donnell (composer, US congressional candidate)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the recent wave of violent attacks on ICE facilities, framing them as ideologically motivated acts perpetrated by those on the left. The panel argues that increasingly radical rhetoric from mainstream Democratic politicians and media allies is fueling this violence. They also analyze Jimmy Kimmel’s return to air following suspension, critiquing his response to recent controversies and alleged ties between terror threats and his reinstatement. The episode closes with philosophical and spiritual reflections on division and virtue and some video game discussion, featuring insights from guest Marty O’Donnell.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Dallas ICE Attack and Left-Wing Political Violence

[01:28 – 12:29]

• Several panelists (Phil Labonte, Tim Pool, Brett Dasovic) highlight a pattern: four attacks on ICE facilities since August 1st, with the Dallas shooting “the most severe yet.”
• Shooter left explicit anti-ICE messages, confirming ideological motives.
• Tim argues Democrats have normalized demonizing ICE, using terms like “Gestapo” and “stormtroopers,” creating an environment where violence is rationalized.
• Phil Labonte: “Generally, they [Democrats] want to see this activity. They want to see people frustrated with ICE and… people taking matters into their own hands.” [04:55]
• Debate over whether centrists on the left are fueling the chaos for political strategy or simply sowing disruption to stymie the Trump administration.

2. Rhetoric and Responsibility in Political Discourse

[12:29 – 17:59]

• Conversation with Jesse Watters from Fox News is rebroadcast; discussion revolves around political violence, the need to condemn it, and claims that leftist rhetoric (including specific statements by AOC, Ilhan Omar, and more) directly motivates violent acts.
• Jesse Watters: “It kind of feels like they [Democrats] know what they're doing.” [14:34]
• Tim Pool and Marty O’Donnell contrast left and right responses to violence, suggesting the right denounces its extremists, while the left’s “moderates” adopt fringe rhetoric.

3. Political Violence and the Role of Government

[23:35 – 34:43]

• Debate over the nature of violence and whether the government should exercise force to maintain order.
• Marty O’Donnell argues government has the authority and duty to restore order: “The prime reason we have government is so that we normal people don't have to try to create order for ourselves.” [34:43]
• Discussion around the importance of not responding to chaos with hatred, but with measured, lawful force.
• Panel reflects on how manipulating media coverage and omitting context can sway public opinion, stifling the right's ability to defend itself and emboldening lawlessness.

4. “Our Democracy” vs. “The Republic”: Philosophical Differences

[35:10 – 42:16]

• Tim Pool outlines a functional schism in American society: a constitutional republic vs. a “multicultural democracy.”
• The concept of “our democracy” is dissected—suggesting some on the left don’t view conservative Americans as legitimate co-citizens, leading to parallel societies.
• Tim Pool: “They are a chaotic force that has grown within the United States that seeks to upend and defy the United States.” [39:40]

5. Media, Manipulation, and the Jimmy Kimmel Controversy

[43:08 – 56:55]

• Deep dive into Jimmy Kimmel’s indefinite suspension and quick return.
• Arguments that his show was only reinstated after actual terror attacks and threats targeted ABC affiliates—a sign of intimidation working.
• Tim Pool: “The only discernible thing [in bringing Kimmel back] is the terror threats against ABC stations... a guy shot up one of their stations.” [53:39]
• The panel criticizes Kimmel for not apologizing and for deflecting blame onto Trump, calling his approach weaselly and insincere.
• Examination of how media structures (network, affiliates, advertisers) interact with political and public pressure.

6. Truth, Deception, and Public Trust

[58:02 – 69:40]

• Lively semantics debate: is deception the same as lying?
• The panel references cases where government officials (e.g., James Comey, James Clapper) have lied or deceived for “national security” purposes, weighing the moral and practical dangers.
• Phil Labonte: “These semantic arguments don’t mean anything to normal people.” [58:30]

7. The “Spiritual War,” Gen Z, and Virtue

[80:01 – 97:18]

• Marty O’Donnell and others discuss America’s crisis as “spiritual.”
• O’Donnell: The younger generation’s nihilism is a result of lack of spiritual grounding and the erosion of traditional values.
• Panel links left-wing activism and violence to secular, collectivist trends and argues revival of individual virtue is the solution.
• Repeated emphasis on forgiveness, not acting out of hate, and striving for virtue: “If you embody the synopsis [sins], you become Antichrist.” —Ian Crossland [96:43]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Moment | |---------------|-----------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:55 | Phil Labonte | “Generally, they [Democrats] want to see this activity. They want to see people frustrated with ICE...” | | 05:00 | Marty O’Donnell | “They’re gonna accuse Trump of politicizing something because he said this is a kid who is leftist...?” | | 14:34 | Jesse Watters | “It kind of feels like they know what they’re doing.” | | 15:32 | Tim Pool | “I’ve never received more death threats… The threat level was so great… I was unable to go to the memorial for Charlie Kirk.” | | 34:43 | Marty O’Donnell | “The prime reason we have government is so that we normal people don’t have to try to create order ourselves.”| | 39:40 | Tim Pool | “They are a chaotic force that has grown within the United States that seeks to upend and defy the United States.” | | 53:39 | Tim Pool | “The only discernible thing [in bringing Kimmel back] is the terror threats against ABC stations... a guy shot up one of their stations.” | | 58:30 | Phil Labonte | “These semantic arguments don’t mean anything to normal people.” | | 80:28 | Marty O’Donnell | “What I’m actually seeing is a spiritual battle going on in this country.” | | 96:43 | Ian Crossland | “If you embody the synopsis [the seven deadly sins], you become Antichrist.” |

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Noteworthy Segments (Timestamps)

• 01:28–12:29: Dallas ICE attack, context and panel reactions
• 13:36–17:59: Jesse Watters segment—violence, media bias, and Republican response
• 23:35–34:43: The appropriate response to political violence, necessity of government action
• 35:10–42:16: Deeper dive into the philosophical split: “our democracy” vs. “the Republic”
• 43:08–56:55: Jimmy Kimmel’s controversy—media, apologies, and manipulation
• 58:02–69:40: Debate on lying vs. deception, government honesty, and the Comey indictment
• 80:01–97:18: Spirituality, nihilism, Gen Z, and the role of virtue
• 102:08–End: Video game industry stories and reflections with Marty O’Donnell

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Additional Highlights

• Video Game Tangents:

  • Marty O’Donnell talks about his history with Halo/Destiny, his run for Congress, and gaming’s role in culture and youth development.
  • Some lighter moments and banter around glitches, original Destiny story, and the philosophy of game design.

• Audience & Security Concerns:

  • After detailing the environment of political violence, several panelists discuss receiving threats, the cancellation of live events, and fears for staff safety.

• Spiritual & Philosophical Framing:

  • Regular returns to the idea that today’s culture war is fundamentally spiritual as much as political; the path forward is through virtue, forgiveness, and responsibility.

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Conclusion

This episode is a heated, highly opinionated examination of rising political violence—particularly left-wing attacks on law enforcement and conservative figures. The hosts argue that mainstream leftist rhetoric has crossed a threshold, creating a permissive environment for extremism and undermining social cohesion. They advocate a forceful but rational government response, coupled with individual virtue and spiritual revival as the way forward. The discussion of Jimmy Kimmel’s response to controversy and high-profile media manipulations serve as case studies for the episode’s broader arguments about truth and deception in modern America.

Guest Plug:
Marty O’Donnell’s run for Congress: [Marty4Congress.com]

Closing Thought:
Tim Pool: “We can see these terror attacks are the recoiling temper tantrum of violent psychopaths who can’t accept that they’ve lost. And we have the weight of government behind us to stop these criminals, as we should.” [122:55]

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This summary condenses and organizes the main ideas and exchanges of the episode, with timestamps and quote attributions for key moments. It is tailored for listeners seeking a comprehensive, faithful overview, and navigates easily between the core arguments and more tangential discussions.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

This morning, just before 7am local time, a shooter opened fire on a Dallas ice facility, killing one and leaving two others in critical condition. Now this is the fourth attack on an ICE facility since August 1st. So this summer has been a massively violent time and we're going to talk about that tonight and it's probably going to be the, the major topic of conversation. Tim is going to be doing a piece with Jesse Waters and we're going to cover that. But before we do, why don't we go ahead and go around the table and introduce everybody. Marty o' Donnell is our our guest today. So tell everyone about yourself, Marty.

[Marty O'Donnell]

We talk about violence all your while, but at some point we've got to talk about some video games which are not violence. This is why people aren't violent, because they're playing video games instead. Yeah, so I, I'm a composer and audio director and I did Halo and Destiny and Miss Myth, the Fallen Lords and Oni and whole bunch of games. Before that I did TV commercials. So.

[Phil Labonte]

And now you're running for Congress, right?

[Marty O'Donnell]

And now yes. Instead of retiring and playing with my grandsons, which I still am going to do, I'm still going to play with my three grandsons. I decided I, it's time for me to do my civic duty and, and payback because I'm going to run for Congress and unseat the Democrat congresswoman in my district in Nevada and swap it out with a Republican me.

[Phil Labonte]

Awesome. Well, thank you for joining us. Yeah, Brett is here.

[Brett Dasovic]

Guys, what's going on? It's Brett Normally we're doing Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday at 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time. You should join us there. But we got a bunch to get into tonight.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm also in the house. Hello, Phil. Hello, everyone. Good to meet you, Marty.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah, nice to meet you all.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm a video game aficionado. Been since 1983, I think, when I got my start playing Atari for the first time. So that's cool.

[Phil Labonte]

The Atari was your first one?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, we had a Commodore 64 and Atari 2600 in the house.

[Phil Labonte]

I had both of those myself. Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Mail order monsters. Shout out awesome.

[Phil Labonte]

All right, so we're going to jump right into this from Reuters. Gunman wrote anti ICE on unused bullet in fatal attack on Dallas Immigration Office McKinney, Texas September 24 A gunman wrote anti ICE on an unused bullet, killed one detainee and wounded two others on Wednesday when he fired on an Immigration and Customs Enforcement field office in Dallas from a nearby rooftop before taking his own life, officials said. FBI Director Cash Patel posted a photo on X of what he said was the suspects used AM ammunition showing the shell casing of one round inscribed with the phrase anti ICE along. What would it go along along the side? While the investigation is ongoing, an initial review of the evidence shows an ideological motive behind this attack, patel wrote. US President Donald Trump quickly politicized the incident on his Truth social platform, accusing the radical left Democrats of stoking anti ICE violence by constantly demonizing law enforcement, calling for ICE to be demolished, and comparing ICE to officers to Naz. If the Democrats are actually against these attacks, and like I said earlier, There have been four ICE. ICE facilities attacked just since August 1st. If Democrats are actually against these, it is incumbent on the Democrats to make a simple statement, allow ICE to do its job. Stop attacking ICE facilities. They don't. They have not. Because generally they want to see this activity. They want to see people frustrated with ICE and they want to see people taking matters into their own hands.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I mean, seriously, give me a break. They're gonna accuse Trump of politicizing something because he said this is a kid who is leftist and he writes anti ice. So he's anti ice. How is that politicizing? He's just, it's just the fact.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Like it's. The kid already said I'm a leftist and I'm anti ICE and his whole family and the whole background is that. That it's already been politicized. Donald Trump did.

[Brett Dasovic]

If I wanted to talk about the politicization of it, you talk about Gavin Newsom who went on with Jimmy Kimmel last night, just immediately, just literally just last night talking about anti mask Lowell ironic policies that they're implementing in the state of California to prevent ICE officers from wearing masks when they work. And then they're like, but why would they want to cover their face? Oh, I have no idea. And then of course, this happens the very next day. You could make the argument that what he said the night before played a larger role in what happened today than any so called politicization that Trump did, merely by pointing out what the obvious political affiliation of somebody who writes anti ICE on ammunition.

[Phil Labonte]

And whether it be, whether it be Gavin Newsom or whether it be Pritzker who's been saying, calling, you know, ICE Gestapo.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Calling Donald Trump a fascist, saying that, that the enforcement of, of immigration law is a terrible, terrible thing and it's, it's evil. And you're, you're the, the, the vernacular they use too. You're disappear.

[Marty O'Donnell]

The congresswoman have been calling them the Jack. AOC and Gestapo and stormtroopers.

[Phil Labonte]

J. Paul from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, from Washington, obviously aoc. The whole, you know, Omar has been saying it, the whole squad. I mean, this is not some kind of isolated, one particular congressperson or one representative that's actually speaking out of pocket. This is the constant ref from the Democrats for at least the past 10 years.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And this is, this is normal. And I think that this is what you see, you see people saying, look, it is incumbent on us to go and take matters into our own hand because again, the, the type of rhetoric that you get, it's not just that Donald Trump is, is a fascist or a Nazi. It's also there won't be elections again. How many times have you heard.

[Brett Dasovic]

Last night too.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

So Newsom is saying there won't be end of democracy.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah. It's a threat to democracy. It's a, you know, they've been saying this for so long. But here's the thing. It's the center of the left that's saying this. You have to compare center left and center right. And it's like what the right is saying at the center is just common sense, normal stuff. I wish it was just the far left, but the center of the left is saying this crazy, wacky, horrible stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

I get the feeling that they're justifying it by thinking, okay, you know what, a little bit of chaos can create good in society, so let's maybe allow that to happen. And that they think that what will happen is that the government will ease off and pull back on ice. But what you don't realize is when you stoke chaos, no one controls that.

[Phil Labonte]

I totally disagree with you. I don't think that it's about trying to produce a. What they. What anyone would consider good. It's literally just trying to produce chaos in order to stymie the administration from doing what they were voted into office to do.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, the people in some of these states, with the big cities, especially if you've ever lived in, like, a big city, there's a lot of illegal immigrants that end up becoming your friends in those cities. And if they're getting yanked out of their houses, they're probably like, this is the most evil thing I've ever experienced. We have to stop it. Like, that's.

[Brett Dasovic]

Are you talking about citizens or are you talking about politicians? Because we're. He's talking about the way that the politicians are framing, which is very different from the way your neighbors are going to frame.

[Ian Crossland]

The politicians may be more, or maybe have more of an agenda, but the people, the message is getting, like, it's stoking this feeling of like, what's happening is evil. People think it's evil, and they're supposed to break the law to stop the evil.

[Marty O'Donnell]

The left is saying it's evil, but, like, I don't believe my constituents in Las Vegas, most of these people who are, you know, they're legal immigrants, they went through the process, they feel like the illegals and the open borders is what's causing all the chaos. And they don't see ice as anything but something that is going to help fix the situation. So I just feel like the middle of the left, the center left people are what you said, which is like, we want to disrupt Donald Trump at all costs, no matter what happens. And that what that's going to do, it's going to cause the fringy, you know, nihilistic crazy kids to go out there and just start shooting and then committing suicide. This is another guy who commits suicide today. Right. So it's like this nihilism, this violent nihilism is going to, like, I have two choices because nothing has any meaning. I'm going to commit suicide and I'm going to commit murder. People in that and usually in the order of murdering first.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

I don't know how much time we have before they have to run. TIM SEGMENT but what do you. Do you think it has been a net benefit or a net positive? Because we're talking about how it's being framed from the left, but the video. Do you See the Theo Vaughn thing about being framed in the Ice video, Do you think that those videos from DHS are doing more harm than good?

[Phil Labonte]

I think that those are probably throwing red meat to the base.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I, I, There probably are people that see them and, and say, oh, this is so terrible that they're doing this. It's so awful that they're saying these things. And obviously Theo Vaughn is, is like, look man, don't paint a target on me. And yeah, that's a legitimate concern.

[Brett Dasovic]

I, because he said that yesterday and then this happens today.

[Tim Pool]

He's like, I don't want to get caught up.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And I totally respect his perspective, but I do think that the people that are, are that are apoplectic about them. If it wasn't a, a video that ICE put out, it would be something else that they would be apoplectic about. They would be the, the, the reaction that they have is going to be the same whether it be something that the right thinks is funny or whether it be something totally mundane and anodyne. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

I saw that. Did you guys see the Ice video of Pokemon?

[Tim Pool]

Pokemon?

[Ian Crossland]

They started we're about to go that they use the song, the theme song from Pokemon. My friend Jason Page is the singer. So I turn it on. I hear my friend's voice singing Gotta catch him and they're grabbing illegal immigrants. And it's like.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's what I was talking about. That's what I was asking Phil about. I said, do you think that video is a benefit for the bass or not?

[Ian Crossland]

I want to ask Marty. I know we're about to go to a clip but like, how would you feel if one of your musics or your own vocals were just taken and used by a girl?

[Marty O'Donnell]

Trust me, my Halo Monk Chat has been used in a lot of places I never approved. So yeah, I wouldn't be about it.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm guilty of that. My band. I told Marty we.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I didn't say I was upset about.

[Phil Labonte]

All of of them, but I, I just want to you make sure I'm coming clean. All that remains. We, we use that for a long, long time.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Write me a check after the show.

[Dan Harris]

Absolutely.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely. There won't be a lot of zeros. So, so yeah, I guess Tim is going to be on. On what is it Waters in in just a minute or so. Shout out to Jesse starting. So if you want to bring it up and actually bring up the, the volume, we can, we can jump in here. So that way we get a little bit of the, the pre, pre hit context the topic topic is obviously going to be the violence that the left is engaging in lately.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah, still getting harassed, seeing Gavin Newsom. I got a Gavin Newsom story to tell you guys, so remind me after this.

[Ian Crossland]

I thought that was so irresponsible, him.

[Jesse Watters]

Last night, that conservative needed a police escort to leave campus. Kimmel lost his job for four days and they said free speech was under attack. Charlie Kirk was killed for exercising free speech. And they said he had it coming. They say we need more civil debate and we need to be more civil. So when we try to engage in civilized debate, they chase us off campus. Now the freedom of the press is under attack, but when it's conservative press, the media is silent. Here's a reporter getting swarmed outside the U.N. watched like that.

[Brett Dasovic]

Charlie Burke.

[Tim Pool]

Why would I say that? Why would I say that?

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, he's not.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, he is. Well, look at you. He's that black woman. Hey.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Hey.

[Tim Pool]

Stop it.

[Brett Dasovic]

Stop it.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Get off.

[Tim Pool]

Get off.

[Jesse Watters]

That looks civil. Hillary says the rhetoric has to stop. And we agree. But she says not from her, from you.

[Marty O'Donnell]

We have got to stop demonizing each other.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Now I think most of that right.

[Tim Pool]

Now in our country's history from the right.

[Marty O'Donnell]

You know, we have got to stop with the finger pointing and the scapegoating.

[Jesse Watters]

Hillary called half the country deplorables and irredeemable, despicable Neanderthals. He needed to be deprogrammed and have their first and Second Amendment stripped. What is the right said about Hillary that bill hasn't already said? And it's not like men in MAGA hats are shooting up planned parent and Hollywood celebrities or journalists or politicians. No one on the right is acting on the language we're using. On the left they are. And it's starting to feel like that's the Democrats strategy. Intimidate us into shutting our mouths. They're using bullets to bully us into political submission. It kind of feels like they know what they're doing.

[Phil Labonte]

Political violence has gotten out of control in this country.

[Tim Pool]

We got to stop it.

[Phil Labonte]

We got to condemn it.

[Tim Pool]

And that starts, unfortunately, at the very.

[Phil Labonte]

Top of the Democratic Party. If you want to stop political violence, stop attacking our law enforcement as the Gestapo. If you want to stop political violence, stop telling your supporters that everybody who disagrees with you is a Nazi.

[Tim Pool]

If you want to stop political violence.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Look in the mirror.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely.

[Jesse Watters]

And if they're not going to look in the mirror and stop triggering their crazies, stop to shoot us, stab us and blow up our cars, then we're going to have to crack down. We can't sit back and not defend ourselves. It's open season on us. And if we're not going to save ourselves, who else are we going to save? Host to Tim Kass. Tim Pool joins me now. How hot is it right out there now? These days?

[Tim Pool]

I've never received more death threats. I've also got very serious security where we do our show. The threat level was so great, my, my team instructed me not to travel. I was unable to go to the memorial for Charlie Kirk. But, you know, Jesse, earlier, just now, you were mentioning the attacks that we've seen throughout the past weeks and months. But I want to make. Make sure this is clear as it pertains to Jimmy Kimmel. The initial reporting was that advertisers and affiliates were upset. Sinclair said they wanted to bring the temperature down. None of that has changed. Sinclair and nexstar are still saying they will preempt his show. As far as we know, advertisers are still upset. So what made the difference that brought his show back? Well, this is a little bit of speculation, but there was a terror attack on an ABC affiliate in Sacramento by what is reported to be a Democrat who opened fire on the building. And it's been reported by the New York Post that Sinclair pulled their Charlie Kirk memorial because of terroristic threats against ABC affiliates. So I agree with you. It's open season on people who are standing up, speaking out or supporting Trump. But the left is also attacking regular people to force their will. And I think it's because they recognized Donald Trump won the popular vote. Normal people have spoken and they're not tolerating their strange policies that are destroying this country anymore.

[Jesse Watters]

I'm afraid an ICE agent's gonna get shot. I'm afraid they're gonna shoot him in cold blood. They're gonna put a gun right to his head, and that's what's next. They're not gonna just sit on rooftops and fire rifles. I feel like we're gonna see blood in the streets if this continues to go the way it's going.

[Tim Pool]

For sure. I think we have, especially with Charlie Kirk. It was horrifying. And, you know, I wanna make a point because, Jesse, I was watching the Five earlier and we hear this a lot from liberals that these studies show the right is more responsible. But see, this is a trick. I don't think you and I have any problem condemning some fringe white supremacist. That has nothing to do with what we believe or what we support. No one in the mainstream Republican Party is gonna defend those guys. But the person who shot Charlie Kirk, his ideology was so in line with the Democratic Party that AOC went on the floor of the House and denounced Charlie Kirk in much the same language. This is what we are seeing from run of the mill moderate Democrats. That's actually what has me more concerned. Yeah.

[Jesse Watters]

And the leadership says nothing. Hakeem's out to lunch. Pelosi's out to lunch. Schumer doesn't even know what's going on. And that's the real problem because the crazies have now taken over. All right, Tim, stay safe. Good to talk to you. You know, to just bring in Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.

[Phil Labonte]

Governor, you see, Gavin Newsom, that the. The leaders are out to lunch. I think the leadership has changed. The people that are actually setting the tone for the left. For the left or for the Democrats now, they are people like Ilhan Omar. They are people like.

[Marty O'Donnell]

And the old leaders are afraid of those people. Absolutely. They're. They're deathly afraid of the followers of those people. And so they. They've been usurped. I agree with you totally.

[Tim Pool]

All right.

[Ian Crossland]

Tim Pool in the house.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Him on tv.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's magic as a time warp.

[Tim Pool]

What are you guys talking about? Shout out to Jesse Watters.

[Ian Crossland]

Talking about video games. We're just talking about you, actually. And kind of following up with the conversation.

[Tim Pool]

It's getting warm in here. I'm going to turn it on.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah, that's fine. I was. My neck was cold.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you unmuted. Where were we at at this point? Oh, talking about the leadership in the Democratic Party. And actually maybe the real leadership youth.

[Phil Labonte]

Of the Democratic Party, AOC and Ilhan Omar with.

[Tim Pool]

With AOC reported to want to run for president in 2028. Because the point I was just making to Jesse Waters that I've made on the show before, I don't. I don't care to denounce. You see, I'm running some fringe white supremacist guy. Like, we all will denounce that. Nobody wants to support that. But AOC goes on the House floor and condemns Charlie Kirk and spreads those lies. The same lies that motivated the shooter, as far as we know.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah, she absolutely did. Or even the common sense center of the right is not labeling. Even the common. The left, the far left, or the. Or the. Even the middle left. With the same kind of vitriol that we're hearing coming back at us. We're not. We're like, hey, do you have different ideas? Do you have different goals? Let's talk. Are you socialist? Let's talk about your socialism and why we think it doesn't work. We're not calling you an existential threat and we're not calling you, you know, killers or something unless you start continuing to call us Gestapo and Nazis, which is encouraging the fringe nihilists to start shooting at us.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, one thing. During Biden's reign, no one on this show referred to him as Hitler. What they were doing with Twitter, especially the fascist regime affecting and controlling the corporate media. We still didn't fall back on ad hominem attacks and likening him to a terrorist threat. It was like, look, we're going to create better leadership and we're going to change this.

[Brett Dasovic]

The closest I can think of that is when he gave that speech with the all red background.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, even then it was authoritarianism. There were comments of authoritarianism, of militancy, but they, they. The right stopped short of actually calling him a fascist or at least of Nazi or something like that. Maybe there were people that said fascist, but that, that was a little. And that was a little hyperbolic, but.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Weird imagery that didn't make sense. But like, we don't even know what to call somebody when we're being called fascist. What's the opposite?

[Brett Dasovic]

I think there is a segment of the right, especially after what happened to Charlie Kirk, where they're, they're using the term demonic and they're referring to that. You know, there is that labeling of their views as demonic. And that was all in the wake of what happened to Charlie Kirk. And that would be the closest I can think of on the right is their label for those on the other side, differences.

[Marty O'Donnell]

You know, my father and my father in law F in World War II, fought against Nazis, fought against. You know, I knew somebody who was one of the first guys into Auschwitz. So that's real evil. And yeah, we have to have organized ways of fighting real evil, but when it comes to spiritual evil, we're talking about a spiritual battle. So we're not using guns to fight a spiritual battle. But coming back at us now is actual kinetic weaponry.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's our culture. It's what we believe. It's how we see the world. You know, there was one interesting thing. You know, when you go on these shows, shout out to Jesse and Fox, you only get a couple minutes, right? It's like one or two questions. I think the last time I went on, I just talked for like four minutes and then he jumps In. But he made this point earlier in his opening that on the left they're saying we're at war. We're at war. And you know, we have to fight and do whatever we have to do to win that war. The right thing. That too. I think it's absolutely fine. There's gonna be a lot of liberals and they're gonna say, oh yeah, well Alex Jones was saying that shit. Just that. And I'll say, indeed he was. But I want to make this clear. We didn't start a war. I didn't when they censored me and silenced me. When they accused me of lies and tried to smear me to my own friends and family. And then when they showed up to events that I was putting on and threatened to burn down theaters. I never went anywhere near these people. We tried having an event in, I think it's Pittman, New Jersey and far leftists antifa line threatened to burn the theater down. And so we had planned it for nine months, two weeks out, they cancel on us. And he tells us to screw ourselves. We'll see us, we'll see him. He's like, I don't care. Nothing you say will change the fact they're gonna burn my theater down. He's like, you can sue me for everything, but I'd lose my theater either way. I did not go to an antifa club and threatened them. They attacked me. And so it's fascinating to see that we vote, we win, they attack, we vote, we lose, they attack, we vote, we win, they attack again. All the while saying they are at war with us. And now you are getting people on the right saying it's time to wake up. They are trying to destroy us. And that was a huge wake up call with Charlie Kirk. But I, but I do think Jimmy Kimmel should be a very serious wake up call for everybody in that according to the reporting, there's a Democrat aligned individual, a liberal who shot up an ABC station and several other affiliates received terroristic threats over the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel and they gave him his showback. Yeah, ABC said we're more, we're more scared of the terror from the left than the concerns from the right.

[Ian Crossland]

They also lost 2% of their, their value. Disney lost 2% stock value.

[Tim Pool]

That's 4 billion.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it really 3.8 billion?

[Tim Pool]

Amazon lost more.

[Ian Crossland]

The stock market basically.

[Tim Pool]

So again we are dealing with an unrepentant force. Okay? They are going on ax and saying, ha ha, we did it boys. Disney just lost $3 billion. They did not lose $3 billion. There's an estimated loss of around 2 to 3 billion market share from the dip of 2%. But if you track the stock market like any sane person, you'll see Amazon dipped more. There's no indication that Jimmy Kimmel, a single show on Disney, caused the entirety of the Disney Corporation, which owns Marvel and Star wars, to decline. It's the lie they use to justify. When the show comes back on the air after a literal terror attack, they then go, it's because we cost them money.

[Ian Crossland]

I've been thinking about, because you're saying kinetic warfare of guns and spiritual warfare. And like, how do you. How do you do this? So I'm thinking you need to forgive your enemies. I know this sounds very weird, but in the metaphor of if you're being attacked over and over and you're like, stop, please stop. And they don't. You're like, listen, my military is so much. You have no idea the hell that will be rained upon you if you keep doing this. Please stop. And they don't. I forgive you for not knowing what you're doing, but I will still issue whatever it takes to stop that threat.

[Tim Pool]

Divine retribution. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And I don't hold any hatred for those people because they didn't know anything.

[Tim Pool]

But he's correct.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. To your point, that's exactly what we're calling for. We want the power. We want the government to use its authority to stop this behavior.

[Marty O'Donnell]

By the way, the government is the place that has the authority to do it, and that is something we're depending upon. So that's not the spiritual warfare. The government is not spiritual. It doesn't have to do a spiritual thing. That's where the Bible has set up the government as the authority that can do this.

[Tim Pool]

To Ian's point, there's a lot of people in the chat saying he's wrong, but he is completely correct. And I believe that there was someone actually made a great quote that Jesus forgave the thief on the cross, but he did not save his life. The point is, Ian is making a great point. We are not the ones who hold hatred in our hearts and look at them and just say, you know what? I don't care anymore. I just hate you. We are the ones who say, forgive them, for they know not what they do. And now round them up, arrest them. These are criminals. Forgive does not mean to just let them run roughshod over the country and destroy everything we love. It means that we don't. We won't let ourselves be blinded by hatred. We will think logically and clearly and we will build a better union in society. I agree with Ian on this one. Yeah. It absolutely means use all available legal and lawful authority to stop these violent terrorists and their threats. Just don't hold hate. That's gonna blind you, it's gonna confuse you, it's gonna disrupt your logic. It's bad for strategy. And that's the funny thing too about the forgive. Then they know for they don't know. What they do is there's more than just the noble of I am gonna be a better person and I'm gonna remove that hatred from myself, but I'm not gonna spare you. There's also the functional, the scientific that when you are enraged, you don't think clearly. So we need to approach this problem logically. That's why after Charlie Kirk was killed and I tear stricken from seeing this, still said cooler heads must prevail. We need to stop, pause, make sure there's no immediate reaction, keep calm, and then assess what the problem is and how to solve it. And I think that is now, especially with this morning, the terror attack this morning. I don't believe that we are looking at a simple solution. The Trump administration declaring antifa terrorist organization is good. He's apparently gonna have another executive order targeting leftist organizations that are funding these things. I believe they should do all of that. However, I also believe that will escalate the left. That will push them, they will get angrier, but that is no excuse because the alternative is to let them burn everything down. After we decide we will use the legal means to stop terrorism. I mean, a man opened fire indiscriminately on a vehicle and that's how two detainees ended up dying. And the liberals are using that as though he must be right wing. No, no, he was insane. He hated the right. He heard all of the rhetoric from the left. We need to stop these people with every legal tool we have and we will be calm and collected about it and stern. And as they kick and scream like demons and banshees, we will not be moved. We will say the job must be done. Off to jail you go.

[Ian Crossland]

And regarding this, using every legal means, this is. I kind of brought this up before the show. I think about evil to create order. And sometimes you have your alignment. Maybe you're 70 out of 100.

[Tim Pool]

Good.

[Ian Crossland]

If you do some evil, it's gonna drop your alignment by 10 points, but it may raise your order by 20 points. And we have to discuss openly about what Evil we're willing to see and allow to happen.

[Tim Pool]

None.

[Ian Crossland]

Because, well, many people will say, I'm only good, I'm only orderly nothing. And then they turn a blind eye to the real evil. Because war itself is killing humans to create order. There is an evil act to create order, and there's a net benefit.

[Phil Labonte]

Ideally, killing humans is not always evil.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Well, I think your definition of evil is problematic. So even the Bible says, thou shalt not kill. And kill implies the term murder. If you're killing. If you have to kill to prevent a death of an innocent or self defense, the Bible says that's fine and it's not an evil. Now, in the big picture. Let me just complete this. In the big picture, evil is in the world because man defied God. And so we have to turn back to God. But we're in the kingdom of Cain. This is where brother kills brother. This is the result of the fall. So if in that big picture, any sort of death is the result of evil, but it's not an evil act to defend the end.

[Ian Crossland]

The way I see is like murder is will. Drop your alignment to zero. That is do not ever. If we become permanent evil or permanent chaos, we lose. Do not murder. But killing in combat, it aligns with society. It's called alignment, because we know that's their job. So it is evil, but it's not that evil. Killing is literally.

[Tim Pool]

It's not.

[Phil Labonte]

Murder is. No, murder is evil. No, listen, there's a different word in the Bible for murder and kill. Yeah, murder is evil. Killing is not evil.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna, I'm gonna speak. Guys, guys, I gotta speak video game to Ian. Gotta speak video game, please. When the guys are red, when they're. When their names are in red, your alignment.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, you don't. Because the rest of the human condition knows that what you're doing is righteous.

[Tim Pool]

Let me explain. Right. I. You guys are speaking in biblical terms. Ian speaking. Speaking Dungeons and Dragons. And I understand the point he's trying to make, but it doesn't apply to real life life. And the analogy that I'll use is, we'll use Skyrim, for example. If the person's name is green and you attack them, your alignment goes down. If the person's name is red, nothing. There's no change to bring it to reality. For the sake of what your argument is, if someone is evil, they are acting to destroy, to harm others. For there's a variety of reasons that they do this. Stopping them is good. Well, look at what's lamentable we don't want people to die. But it's not evil to stop an evil person. It is just something we genuinely try to avoid. Do let me just say this about the modern culture war and where we are what we would describe as the right. The whole time has been making the argument we can never be evil. And what do you see? Viral videos that are going viral right now, especially in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder of people on the right at various rallies, being mercilessly beaten and not fighting back. There's Andy Ngo is a really great example when he was in Portland and he's drenched in milkshake and bleeding from the ears, disoriented. He is not fighting anyone. He is simply trying to walk away. And that is a problem because evil triumphs when good men do nothing. And now the attitude has changed and it's changed for one big reason. This right that we call it it, which I don't even know if it makes sense. Yeah, call it America, whatever said we still will not go and attack leftists. Go to their place of worship or business, whatever it may be, their DEI offices. They said we're going to vote. We vote for you, Donald Trump. Please use the legal lawful authority for which all of the people of our country have agreed upon to exercise that authority against those who would transgress upon us. And he is now. And, and now we are saying bring it on.

[Ian Crossland]

But the thing about evil is it's how. How it aligns with the rest of people seeing the action. If people feel and think that it's evil, evil and 99 of the world thinks it's evil than it is according to alignment. That's why they call it alignment. It's how aligned are you with the.

[Brett Dasovic]

Rest of us talking about the perspective of people like you're not addressing whether the fact, whether it is or it isn't, you're talking about whether how it's perceived by other people. They have been been manipulating your ability to act based on how they will portray it to the rest of the world. Like he said with Andy no. If Andy no doesn't attack back, they can't label him as an. As somebody attacking other people. So he. For a long time the right has had to tie their hands behind their back and not let themselves let themselves act. Excuse me. Because of the fact that the media would paint them in a certain way. Now we live in the age of the Internet and social media and the information makes it to people much quicker without the bend from the media telling you what this act was from another person.

[Tim Pool]

This is a great point, because what would happen is if Andy Ngo did swing back, they would edit the video to remove the attack on him and say, andy, no attacks. People, people. The difference is now Trump won the popular vote, and regular people have the confidence to say, enough. We are not the minority anymore. And so what's happening now is in the wake of Charlie Kirk's killing, in the wake of the terror attack on ABC and now this morning's terror attack, I mean, the dam is breaking. The right is saying, trump, get the. Get the feds, get law enforcement. If this doesn't stop here, it will only get worse.

[Brett Dasovic]

They were doing it the other day with the lady who got in the face of the ICE officer, right? And they were like, look at what this guy did to this poor woman. Except for the fact was, when you look at the whole video, she got in his face, they removed her, she came back, got into his face again, and went back again. They understand that they will be able to clip that video, portray that guy who works for ICE a specific way. And it doesn't matter if what their followers believe is true, if it is not actually true. If you're acting in good faith, if you are doing the right thing, it doesn't matter if what they are showing you is bent and wrong and manipulated. What matters is that you acted in good faith, you did the right thing. And the whole video is there for people to find. But they have to be willing to go out and find that video. They have to be willing to seek the truth of the matter. If you're talking about people who aren't looking to seek the truth of the matter, especially in politics, it's a lost cause, because most people aren't. Most people are going out there, they're looking for videos and narratives that reinforce their view of the world. You cannot act as if everything you're doing is to try and change their mind. You can't change their mind. You simply have to act properly.

[Marty O'Donnell]

There's something you said. This is the function of government. The prime reason that we have government is so that we normal people don't have to try to create order for ourselves. We give that right to the government, and it needs to create order and it needs to create safety, real order and real safety. And then laws can follow from that. But we have nothing, Laws mean nothing without actual order and safety.

[Tim Pool]

His orders for order for ourselves.

[Marty O'Donnell]

That's what I mean. I mean, that's. We're using the government. We're not doing it. We're not taking our own guns and going out and starting this.

[Tim Pool]

Here's, here's the, here's the principal philosophical challenge that we face as a nation is that we are good people. And that's a fact. You look around the world. What we as a nation have said, going back to our founding fathers and even before then, is to be fair to everyone. We will write down what we expect of you and give you a chance to review this. And even in the instance you infringe upon the rules we have agreed to create, we will still give you a chance. We have given every opportunity to the antagonists of our way of life. And so the issue now is laws don't matter. We talked about this last night on the members only portion of the show. So join our discord [e-mail], where someone said they were libertarian and they think we should get rid of the Civil Rights Act. And I said, said it literally doesn't matter if we do or do not have the Civil Rights Act. The Civil Rights act was created because our country was bifurcated. And so they said, we're voting. They voted, okay, here are the rules. Many in the, in, in southern states still didn't want to comply with it. National Guard got called in and said, you will comply. And they used force. In a society where everyone agrees you, you need not any laws. You don't need any. Imagine if every single person was, was identical in their worldview and belief. Belief. There'd be no theft, there'd be no murder, and there would be no need for police because nobody would aggrieve upon somebody else. Maybe courts, because sometimes people disagree and they have arguments. And so you need civil matters, but we don't live in that society. And so the problem right now is, as we talk about the laws we want enforced, the people of the United States need to recognize we are not in this, as the Democrats called it, war with Americans. We are a constitutional republic of the United States in a conflict with a multicultural democracy of the United States. And that's a quote. I'm paraphrasing Stephen Marsh, who is a more liberal person from Canada. He said, there are two nations occupying the borders of the U.S. constitutional Republic and multicultural democracy. And he said he was for the multicultural democracy. And I said, fair point. I'm for the constitutional republic. In which case you can now recognize the distinction in this conflict, conflict. The multicultural democracy doesn't care what our laws are. We are, we are a separate entity. That's why they simultaneously argued that Charlie Kirk should have been jailed for his speech, and Jimmy Kimmel is a martyr for free speech. What they're really saying is, you are not us. So I just went on Jesse Waters show, and he played all of these clips about ICE agents, mask thugs kidnapping people. Gavin Newsom going on was on Colbert the other day saying, masked men jumping out, disappearing people, people, members of our community. And I said, illegal immigrants aren't members of our community. But you see the distinction when we vote in this country. Our Congress, our courts, our laws, our representatives, they all agree to the terms that we have drafted, and that is illegal immigration is a crime for which you can be deported. The multicultural democracy of this country. Zoran Mamdani, a good example, running for office, says we must protect our people from ice, Right? What does that mean? I beg of people to understand this philosophical and functional distinction. When I say something like, I'm a. I'm a guitar player. You're a piano player. When I say, we must, guitar players come together and destroy the piano players. Why would you ever think I was including you as a guitar player? There's a clear distinction as to who we each are, and we are different. So when Zoran Mandani said says our people must be protected, he is telling you, the American voter, you are outside of his community. Your votes are meaningless to him. Your whims, your wills, your laws, meaningless to him. When you elect Donald Trump and he wins the popular vote and you say, please, Mr. President, illegal immigration is a very large concern for the American people. Zoran Mamdani looks your way and says to you, you are not one of us, and we will do everything we can to stay stop you. And this is the distinction.

[Phil Labonte]

To your point, that's. That's the distinction they're making when they say our democracy. I'm not talking about the United States. They're talking about the Democrats and people that align with them because they've already made the distinction by saying they are fascists. They are trying to destroy our democracy. The people that they. That they point at and claim are fascists, those people are not part of their democracy.

[Tim Pool]

I want to say one quick thing before we jump to the next story. I just want to. I just want to help people as best I can. Give you the context clues. They burn the American flag, right? They fly a unique flag called the Progress Pride flag. They say our democracy. They say, you are a threat to our democracy. They say, we are at war with you. I did not ask for this. I begged for it to stop. Every step of the way they lie. They say that I'm far right. They say, Ian is far right. He's Moonlord. We exist outside of their community. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't blame them. But they are a chaotic force that has grown within the United States that seeks to upend and defy the United States. They mock our history. They destroy our statues. They rename our military bases and our streets. They have tried to kill the President. They have killed our most prominent political leader, young leader in Charlie Kirk. They shot up a news station because. Because they took their high priest off the air. I don't understand what else people need to hear to understand. We are not talking about roommates in a single house. You are not having a disagreement with your brother anymore. And I hate to say this because people are going to say it's accelerations, whatever, but there is a reality here. There is someone outside of your home banging on the door. They are saying, I can do what I want to you. And the question is, are you going to open the door and let them or are you going to ask the police through lawful means, please make this person stop? That's where we are at right now. This multicultural democracy seeks to upend and destroy. We have called the police, Donald Trump, and said, please start arresting these people. And guess what? Surprise, surprise. The criminals often shoot back.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah, One of the. I just want to. For you young guys, who here remembers when Clinton was inaugurated?

[Phil Labonte]

I do.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

I feel like vaguely, I'm 50.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I remember watching this in horror, not because he was inaugurated. It was like, okay, here's our new president. There was an actor who. I forget his name, but he was watching the celebration. And the jets flew over, Blue angels flew over. And this guy was interviewed and he goes, you know, I looked up in the sky and I saw those military planes and I thought, those are our planes now. Yep, there it is. It's like, no, dude, these were always our planes, our military, our police. This is what we're together tree. When her husband was nominated or elected, I forget which one it was, but it's like this use of our country is excluding half of the basis of.

[Ian Crossland]

Communism is we are all in this together until you get it. And then one guy's on the top. Same age old crap.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you guys also remembering the Iraq war, for instance, or even the more modern conflicts we've seen against isis. How often do we in this country, publicly high profile among all of our political pundits and politicians, lament the extrajudicial killings of People in a foreign land. Abdul Rahman Al Awlaki, who I love to bring up, was murdered by Barack Obama with drones. His administration claimed they were targeting someone else. It was an accident that they blew up a civilian restaurant in a country we are not at war with killing a 16 year old American citizen. No one at the highest level of government, politics, media at the time cared at all that a child was murdered by our president. Why is that?

[Ian Crossland]

Because it was legal.

[Tim Pool]

Because it was our president. Because it was us who did it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep, it was legal.

[Tim Pool]

And, and, and that's, that's not the issue.

[Brett Dasovic]

They care that it was legal. They care that it wasn't.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no. Guys, guys.

[Ian Crossland]

Legal, man.

[Tim Pool]

The reason why in this example. Example and why in so many others, those are factors for sure. The reason is the United States was not aggrieved by this. We, the United States can bomb and blow up whoever we want and these and the bulk of our country will not flinch about it.

[Ian Crossland]

Those Venezuelan boats, three of them.

[Tim Pool]

Now the Democrats are complaining about that because Trump is doing it. And that explains the difference that we're facing. It is not us anymore. And that's exactly the point. So I appreciate you bringing, you bring that up. When Barack Obama, Obama blows up somebody, this country largely just went, yeah, I mean, the debate was over the legality of the killing of Soleimani in terms of will it start a war? Not with someone murdered without due process. No one in this country, and I don't mean literally no one, obviously libertarians, anti war groups, they care about this. At the highest levels of politics, personality, TV and government, they don't say, what about a criminal trial for that ISIS terrorist we just bombed? Because they are not us. Understand that perspective. Now imagine you are an external force trying to destroy America. Apply that to how Democrats have been behaving with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, cheering it on, and you will understand that same feeling. It's either indifference or celebration. And you take a look at how the United States dealt with war over the past 20 years. And for most people, the bombings in Afghanistan, Iraq or otherwise were indifference or celebration. The killing of Saddam Hussein among Americans, largely indifference. Then after that celebration, take a look at what Democrats did with Charlie Kirk. At first, celebration, largely indifference. After that saying, well, look, I know it's wrong, but you know, he deserved it. For this reason, only when pressed and facing a real threat are they trying to put on a PR face. But with that being said, I do want to pull up this story from media. I, Charlie Kirk's producer torches unrepentant liar Jimmy Kimmel over his comeback monologue. My friends, this is actually astounding. Jimmy Kimmel did not apologize. In fact, I would describe it as tripling or quadrupling down. And the reason why is it's a 28 minute monologue where he doesn't apologize. He attacks Trump. He insults me. He insults you. He claims that the only issue, or I should say that he accentuates a particular issue as if to imply once again that the reason he was taken down was because Trump can't take a joke.

[Ian Crossland]

President of the United States made it very clear he wants to see me and the hundreds of people who work here fired from our jobs. Our leader celebrates Americans losing their livelihoods.

[Tim Pool]

Because he can't take a joke.

[Brett Dasovic]

He was.

[Tim Pool]

Somehow able to squeeze Colbert out of cbs, then he turned his.

[Ian Crossland]

Sights on me, and now he's openly rooting for NBC to fire Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyers and the hundreds of Americans who work for their shows who don't make millions of dollars. And I hope that if that happens or if there's even any hint of that happening, you will be 10 times as loud as you were this week. We have to speak out.

[Tim Pool]

He did not apologize. He could have and it would have been very easy, but he won't. And the, the point that I brought up, I brought this up when I was on Jesse just a moment ago. The only thing that we can discern as to why Disney brought him back, the affiliates, even just before we went live, nextar said, now we ain't bringing him back. I couldn't even watch it last night. I was, I was in bed. I pulled up first. I tried YouTube TV. Nope, because Sinclair owns the streaming rights. Just all broadcast and streaming rights are combined. And so I tried all the streaming services. I even tried going to ABC's website and it's got a lock symbol on it. It wouldn't let me do it. I had to wait until someone else watched it and re uploaded it because it's shut down. Advertisers are still upset. Sinclair says the temperature's not brought down and now the tensions are inflamed. So why did ABC bring him back? Well, I said it the other day. I'll say it again. Again, A guy shot up one of their stations. And so like terrified individuals in the crossfire, they said, jimmy, we'll do anything you say. How did Jimmy respond? It's Trump who was coming after me. Trump did this without an apology. He did, you know, you know what he could have said, and this is what's really terrifying, he could have simply said to those who felt I was implying the shooter was a Trump supporter, I did not mean to do that, and for that I apologize. He kind of did.

[Ian Crossland]

He didn't say the word I'm sorry. But people, false prophets, they'll use words that without the emotion, without the meaning behind it, you can say I'm sorry and not mean it. He cried on camera for like, he.

[Brett Dasovic]

Does that all the time.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it was pretty.

[Ian Crossland]

We could play it and let people decide for themselves.

[Tim Pool]

Ian, with all due respect, I hear what you're saying. Marty, are you married? Yeah. Have you ever gotten into an argument with your wife?

[Marty O'Donnell]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Never.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Remember, never. No.

[Tim Pool]

When you're in an argument with her and she's mad at you for something you did and you know you did something wrong, what do you think would happen if you looked at her and said, I understand. It depends on everybody listening right now is looking at their wives going like, right. When you do wrong, and it's not about just your wife, but your husband or you're in an argument with someone and you know you did wrong and they're upset at you for it. And instead of saying, look, I'm sorry, you just go, I understand why you're mad.

[Marty O'Donnell]

That's similar to saying, I'm sorry you feel that way.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Which has got to be the worst thing you could. Look, I get ever do in an argument, you know, that's what, that's essentially what I think Jimmy Kimmel did last night is he's like, I'm sorry that people feel this way.

[Tim Pool]

But he lied again. No, he lied because the issue was not Trump being mad. It was that the broad, the affiliates and the advertiser felt the heat from everyone in this country who said, a man just died. Can you please not. And Jimmy said, I'm gonna use this to go after Trump and get millions of views.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, I think a real apology, you said words can, can be facetious, but is just to be a better person is to not make the mistake again. That's a real apology.

[Brett Dasovic]

They're not capable of that with what they do. They're not. He's not capable. There's too much money to be made in the monologues that cover this. The ratings that have, have plummeted on these shows, which of course are now up again because of all of this controversy. They have made their entire market share for these late night shows about Trump. We were talking last week, like, what would it be if these guys just came out and did monologues, look, there's news every day that you can make stuff about. There's actual content creators who are covering this stuff. Did you see the horrible joke that Robert De Niro made about the Tylenol and the autism that was not. It was just really bad in this monologue. Well, he does the thing where Robert De Niro plays the FCC chair, right? And the problem is, is when you're politically brained and you, and you have a side that you've picked and you don't have any understanding of how people perceive current events, you can't be funny, especially when you're running it through 100 writers and has to go through legal and all these things. It's the other reason he lied and that, you know, that it was a lie because it was weasel words. Because that what he said last week when he says that they were trying to paint the shooter as anything other than maga. That passed through a hundred writers in a legal department before it came out. And it was phrased in a way to give them some sort of plausible deniability.

[Marty O'Donnell]

He didn't retract that statement, which is the only statement that we were complaining about. Plus, but here's my other thing is if Trump is such an authoritarian and he doubled, triple, quadrupled down on being an authoritarian dictator, Jimmy would not be back. Yeah, like this. Where's the power? Where's the authoritarian power? Where's the rioting on the right when something bad happens? Where are the people boarding up their windows of their stores? It's because we don't do that. And Trump is not an authoritarian. If they knew, knew if it was Xi Jinping in China, there'd be a whole different thing happening with Jimmy Kimmel right now. He would actually understand what he's accusing Trump of being.

[Ian Crossland]

My take on this, what happened with Brendan Carr, who's the FCC chair, went on Benny Johnson's show and mentioned Jimmy by name and then said, we can either do this the easy way or the hard way. And then the next day the affiliates pulled that felt like a fascist evil act that produced order.

[Tim Pool]

See, this is what the left preys upon on because the actual reporting said advertisers and affiliates. So the question is, for what pressure did advertisers feel? The FCC is not going to go to the advertisers. It was actually backlash from regular people. It's unfortunate because the FCC became the excuse for the left to turn it into Orange Man Bad once again. I don't Know the guy, the FCC.

[Ian Crossland]

Head mentioned Jimmy by name, said easy way or hard way and then the next day he's off the air.

[Tim Pool]

Do you know how many? Do you know what percentage. Do you know what percentage of stations are owned by Nexstar and Sinclair? Claire?

[Ian Crossland]

No.

[Tim Pool]

23%. Yep. So how come the rest of the affiliates didn't budge? Also, Nexar and Sinclair haven't, haven't backtracked. Why did they bring Jimmy back?

[Ian Crossland]

It sounds like Nexar is a minority and that they were the ones that budged.

[Tim Pool]

Let me just ask you again.

[Marty O'Donnell]

You realize these are public airways. It's like a public park.

[Tim Pool]

If the FCC was the reason why Jimmy was pulled by abc, see, why did they bring him back with the advertisers on their position being unchanged?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, there's a huge backlash from the populace.

[Tim Pool]

So which.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Which populace?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, people screaming about Jim Kimmel free speech.

[Tim Pool]

So there's so the popular vote winner, Donald Trump, who has more than half of the support of this country, or let's just call it 50. 50. So why would Disney put themselves in a position where they are not only on the opposite side of one of half the country, but also advertisers? Leave the affiliates aside. My point is this. Everyone wants to make it about the fcc. Conservatives are so easy to trick, it's laughable. Okay, the fcc, I do think it's fair to say, played some form of a role here because that pressure is visible. But the reporting doesn't show that and we'd be speculating to make that assumption. I do think it's fair to make the assumption, however. It's logical. Right, but at the end they brought Jimmy back. Okay, well, the affiliates haven't changed their positions, so why bring him back? Your argument is. Well, because there was a backlash. The backlash got him taken off the air in the first place. So again, what is the unique identifier? I'm going to go ahead and say the only discernible thing is the terror threats against ABC stations.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Tim Pool]

And a guy who opened fire on an ABC station. Yeah, probably part of specifically citing Bob Iger and Dana Walden, who said, according to the Wall Street Journal, they feared for the safety of their staff. So if the affiliates haven't changed their position, how is this an FCC related issue? ABC was looking at 23% of their stations, not even the major markets. New York, Louisiana, Chicago unaffected. So ABC said a minority of our markets are upset. Let's cancel Jimmy Kimmel altogether. I don't think the issue they didn't.

[Ian Crossland]

They just indefinitely suspended his, his tenure? Which means it could indefinitely means there's no defined date. It could be one day or it could be one year.

[Tim Pool]

What is the motivating factor? And I think it was they said, said you are going to make things worse. Right now we are looking at a certain amount of affiliates and advertisers who are angry you're going to make it worse. He just did. He just made it worse. I don't think this has anything to do with the fcc. I take that back a little bit. A little bit. But with all of the outcry and even Brendan Carr walking his statements back, what did he say? Something like I shouldn't have made it seem that way or something like that.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. And the other thing that Brennan Carr brought up is that one of the things that they've been working on is the idea that for a long time now affiliate stations have fel like they're being like stepped on by these national stations that have all this control over what gets aired. And preempting shows, which used to be something that they could do all the time, was something that has become less and less common. So what you're seeing right now is actually rare in current year because for a long time the as the national stations like Disney have gotten bigger and bigger, they exert more control over these stations. So what Brendan Carr said, he said we're giving the power back to these affiliates to be able to act as they see fit. Act in the service of the people who watch their stations at the local level, not at the national level.

[Ian Crossland]

So one of the things you said is that Disney now can decide their network like what, what time slot, what show goes on before your show basically. And the affiliates have no say over that?

[Brett Dasovic]

No, the affiliates do have a say over that. The affiliates have the ability to decide to preempt a show if they want to take something off air because they feel that they can put like syndicated programming in there that will get them better views. Right, they can do that. But for a long time Disney has been not just Disney but any of these national level network use the size of their platform to exert power over them, to set to get them to not do that because they want to be able to keep their ratings clean across the board. They want to be able to show their ratings for a show like Jimmy Kimmel in all markets, not just in one that's missing 23% of its audience. And that's not for things that have large scale controversies like this, but rather Removing it for local events or local news.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. You mentioned, Mark, that this is like, it's supposed to be national airwaves. It's not supposed to be biased. It's not supposed to be having things that can.

[Phil Labonte]

It's supposed to equal time, the fairness.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Factor, especially when it comes to anything political. And it's like that hasn't been, you know, in play for a long time. It was just sort of an understood thing. But for him to actually outright lie and paint half the country with this murderous brush. And then he was offered, you know, you can make it right, you can come back and make a correction and an apology. And he could have, and it could have been sincere, but he didn't. He could have done that before he was canceled. Canceled. Or before he was indefinitely suspended. And he's.

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[Tim Pool]

Said.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Absolutely not. I'm not doing it.

[Tim Pool]

I will.

[Marty O'Donnell]

It was not about a joke about Trump. It had nothing to do with Trump. It had to do with him telling a lie about half of the country.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think it was a lot. He didn't lie. Technically, he said.

[Tim Pool]

Said.

[Ian Crossland]

They're trying to say that he wasn't maga, which technically that's true.

[Brett Dasovic]

Dad is.

[Ian Crossland]

We're saying he's not MAGA because he wasn't. So they were saying that.

[Tim Pool]

Ian, have you ever bought a power balance?

[Marty O'Donnell]

He knew he wasn't maga.

[Tim Pool]

He knew it. Have you ever bought a balance bracelet?

[Ian Crossland]

Negative.

[Tim Pool]

No. I, I, I bet I could sell you all sorts of crystals, rocks.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, man, deception's not the same as lying.

[Tim Pool]

He deceived people.

[Ian Crossland]

He didn't lie.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, he is.

[Ian Crossland]

He didn't lie. Come on, know the definition. I'm trying to win the culture war. You're supposed to use semantics.

[Marty O'Donnell]

That was a lie.

[Phil Labonte]

It was a lie.

[Tim Pool]

It was a deception.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, or, or he was insinuating that maybe he was maga.

[Phil Labonte]

If it doesn't fly with your girlfriend, it doesn't fly with the public. If you're going to tell, if you're going to tell your girlfriend, right? I didn't lie to you. I deceived you. She's going to be like, B.S. you lied. You can't like these semantic.

[Ian Crossland]

You can dismantle people all sorts of ways.

[Phil Labonte]

These semantic arguments don't mean anything to normal people.

[Ian Crossland]

Mean something to smart people.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Wait, didn't we just hear some Jasmine Crockett say you can commit a crime? That doesn't make you a criminal?

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Okay, that's insanely stupid. I agree. Okay, so if you deceive someone, it's, it's in the category of lying.

[Ian Crossland]

Other way around, it is a sin. No, lying is in the category of deception.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Deception and lying are, they're in the, you know, whatever you want to call it. They're the same thing. If you lie, you're deceiving. If you're deceiving, you're lying.

[Ian Crossland]

There's a thing called lying by omission. And it's just. Yeah, that's not, it's not lying. That's why it's a type of deception.

[Marty O'Donnell]

And by you mission. Trust me.

[Tim Pool]

I don't understand why we're arguing this. You're not, you're not helping anyone understand.

[Ian Crossland]

I just don't want to hear my friends say, he lied when he didn't. I don't want to use wrong words right now. It's super important that we're accurate.

[Tim Pool]

He did.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I, I, I don't know. There's no point in, like, yelling, yes, no. Yes, no.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Shall I stay or shall I go?

[Brett Dasovic]

When people talk about, like, the evils of the media now, they talk about the tactics they use to deceive your, as you say, the American people. Which is the idea of, like, if we're talking about a news article, l. Omission. Lie by structure. So if you want to hide the important information from somebody in an article, you put it in the last paragraph because you understand the average.

[Tim Pool]

How about I just read the definition?

[Marty O'Donnell]

There you go.

[Tim Pool]

A statement made with the intent to deceive.

[Ian Crossland]

So it's within the realm of that. You can do other things that conceive too.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Let me give you an example. And you'll understand this and everybody will understand this. My business partner, Mike. Great guy. There was a point where we both, we both would drive to the studio in Chicago every day, and then we would drive home to the suburbs. We lived, and for some reason, we got into this contest of, like, seeing who could get home first. So at one time I got home, I called him, and he wasn't home yet, and he was still in the car. And he. And I said, I beat you home. And he goes, yeah, but did you have to stop and get gas first? And I'm like, oh, gosh, he's right. I didn't.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not saying pull it up.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I'm just pointing. That was an honest. That was him deceiving me into thinking that he had stopped to get gas, but he was able to. To say, you know, I never said I stopped to get gas. It's still a lie. Everyone knows at the playground that's a lie.

[Ian Crossland]

It was deception. He deceived you without telling a lie.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, this is a pointless conversation, so let's.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I agree.

[Tim Pool]

Why don't we. Let me see. Let's jump to this next story. We got big news from cnbc. Former FBI Director Comey expected to be indicted soon in Virginia federal court from msnbc. Now, there are some qualifications to this trip story. They are trying to bring the indictment now because they have six days until the statute of limitations is up. Therefore, homies getting indicted. Right. I mean, I don't see a reality in which they don't pull this off unless somehow a grand jury doesn't return an indictment, which, like, literally never happens for the federal government. And this is for lying to. Lying to Congress, I believe.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Deceiving, indeed.

[Tim Pool]

You're both correct. Right. Trump, in a social media post on Saturday, called Comey guilty as hell. MSNBC reporter Ken Delaney, in a post on X, wrote Wednesday, the full extent of the charges being prepared against Comey is unclear, but the sources believe that if. That at least one element of the indictment, if it goes forward, will accuse him of lying to Congress. During his testimony on September 30, 2020, about whether he authorized a leak of information. Comey that day, under questioning from Senator Ted Cruz, stood by his prior testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee that he did not. I remember this. In fact, I'm pretty sure there's a video on my channel, YouTube.comtimcast did comeylie where I concluded back then, probably not, actually. No, wait, this wasn't 2020. He lied a lot. Holy crap. That video I was talking about, I think was from 2018. Dang. Okay, well, you know, last week I tweeted, at this pace, I expect to see arrests by. I predict we'll see arrests by next next week. And then this story broke. And there's a couple other stories about pending indictments as well. To be fair, my prediction is not correct just yet. But what do you guys think?

[Marty O'Donnell]

Can I just ask who comes up with the statute of limitations? I kind of feel like some of these things. Well, when I get to Congress, I'm going to say I think we should extend all the statute of limitations. We don't have enough time to actually figure some of this stuff out. And then like, oh, no, you know, Biden's son, Hunter, he's, you know, it doesn't matter what he did because we're past the statute of limitations. I just think it's, I think it's kind of ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I agree with the statute of limitations. The.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I'm not saying there shouldn't be. I just think I'd like to like extend them.

[Tim Pool]

It's hard to know. The limits are. The general idea is if the government knows a crime is committed but refuses to prosecute for a certain amount of time, then they can't come back later and do it. The reason for that is you might be accused of a crime. And again, accused is not proven.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And the government then says, we can charge you whenever we want, so you better do what we say. Statute of limitations stops that. But, but, but here's the issue. The issue is we didn't go after Comey because Biden was in office and you couldn't.

[Marty O'Donnell]

And not only that, I don't think we had the. We couldn't even get the evidence. It's like sometimes. Well, and this is why I think it's interesting that murder has no statute of limitations and that's why you murder somebody and it could come back and get you at any point in your life. So I'm not saying what Comey did is tantamount to murder, but I think it's. If he got a four year head start because he got Biden into office.

[Ian Crossland]

Office, what is the actual charge that they're looking at giving this guy lying to Congress?

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's the one we know of so far. But there may be more. He did.

[Ian Crossland]

He seemed like the dirty, I mean, during the Hillary Email Clinton or Hillary Email Clinton scandal, when Hillary Clinton's emails were getting 30,000 emails getting destroyed, you know, which was illegal. Comey was kind of, I believe, covering that, covering for her in a way. He's been, he was like the hard arm of the, the, The f. Was the FBI Director.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Under the FBI.

[Tim Pool]

And like their job is to lie.

[Ian Crossland]

To the American people a Lot of times.

[Marty O'Donnell]

And deceive.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. And. And like, sorry, it's for national security. Well, you're right.

[Tim Pool]

It's both.

[Ian Crossland]

It's for national security. And. And then I don't. What I really can. A little bit concerns me is like, when the next administration comes in, they're like, we got to clean up the mess the last guys made. You're like, not every time. Like, sometimes just.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, you do. Like, Ian, if you, if you rented a house. House and the last guy made a mess on the floor with his butt.

[Ian Crossland]

What if it was a party and it was a really fun party, you'd.

[Tim Pool]

Still want to clean it up. And maybe you want to hire someone to do it, but you got to clean.

[Ian Crossland]

So what if you had an administration and there was some national security. You have to lie to the people or you feel like you do you issue your FBI director lie to the people, would you then expect he's going to go to prison in four years when you're out of office?

[Tim Pool]

Depends on the lie.

[Ian Crossland]

Would you put him in that position knowing that he's going to really?

[Tim Pool]

So when you, when you're talking about these lies, it's really easy. I don't play these stupid games where it's like, you know, you can't answer the question. People are like, well, listen, I don't want you. I don't understand. No, no, no. The answer is, should the government lie? Yeah, sometimes for some reasons. There are reasons why the government lies. That's why we have national security, a security apparatus. That's why we have confidentiality. That's why we have class. We have security clearances. Sometimes the government has to be like, I'm not going to tell you now the lie part of that. It depends on what your limit is, but let's say that like, someone accidentally sees a piece of. Of military tech that we need for a national security purpose, maybe a cybersecurity thing, and then this person runs out, goes to the press and says, I saw this guy doing this thing. Well, if you came out and said, it is true, he did see me doing this thing. Well, you've exposed whatever that is. At that point, you're probably going to want your government to lie about it and say, this is incorrect, he was never there, and it's silly to think that in fact what he actually saw was a weather balloon.

[Ian Crossland]

And if cops, Congress calls you to testify under oath, you're still technically supposed.

[Tim Pool]

To lie in certain circumstances. I. The reality of life is it's. We do not live in the invention of Lying with Ricky Gervais. Okay, when. When your. Your significant other, your wife, your girlfriend says, does this make me look fat? Well, it depends on the kind of person you are. But most people are going to lie. And even if they're like, I can't lie. You do look a little fat, you can still do it in a nice way. But some people might just be like, you look great, because they want that person to feel good. We call those little white lies in government's more challenging because, well, the people have a right to know. Right. Within certain confines. I believe it's extremely important that information be available to the public. I also recognize you need national security because we go to war sometimes, and could you imagine if the US Was like, no matter what we do, whenever we do it, we're going to tell the whole world. World? Yeah. We'd. We'd be conquered in two seconds.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. What? George Washington was a master of deception.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, bro. Could you imagine if like, the founding Fathers were like, now, before we make any moves, let's hold up gigantic flags and blow our horns and then send letters to all the enemies and make sure they all know exactly what our plan is.

[Phil Labonte]

They cross the Delaware and make sure they wake everybody up before they start slitting throats.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's only fair.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I think with our. Our constitutional right to protection against search and seizure has been violated. With the PRISM network where you. They can. All of our texts and videos and emails are prison.

[Phil Labonte]

What about.

[Tim Pool]

No such network exists.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, exactly. What about the network that Edward Snowden did not.

[Phil Labonte]

What about. What about the seizing of property?

[Ian Crossland]

That's another. Well, that's technically what's happening when they take your text.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I was warned about this. There's a certain level of conspiracy theory stuff that you. Some. You guys apparently get into, so.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, no, the government.

[Tim Pool]

What conspiracy theories?

[Ian Crossland]

The government people are able to take your texts and your voicemails. They used to have to get a warrant for that stuff. Now they just record it instead of.

[Phil Labonte]

Civil asset forfeiture is not like civil assets forfeiture is not a conspiracy.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I'm just making a joke.

[Ian Crossland]

So Jim Comey testify. Not Jim Comey, but James Clapper to Congress. And he's like, we did not wittingly spy on the American people blatantly lied because they felt like they were supposed to. But this PRISM network that they were spying on people with violated our fourth Amendment. So, like, at what point are these lies actually upholding the righteousness of the U.S. constitution?

[Marty O'Donnell]

No, that's for us to decide as the people. We can vote on this. We can get the people in. We want. Certainly what Comey is probably gonna be accused of doing is lying for political reasons, for self serving political reasons, reasons not for the good of the country. So I mean that if that's proven, I think he's, he's, he's in trouble.

[Phil Labonte]

Which is, I mean that's, I think that, that it's likely that there's, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, I think there's probably going to be indictments for, for more stuff.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I mean the insanity of Russia, Russia, Russia, the Russiagate thing, the insanity of that and the blatant lying that went around that and it was not in any way, you cannot talk about that being to stop, save, you know, to, to protect the American people. It was a pure horrible way of, of disabling the, the Trump administration and, and the lies that went around that to try to, to make the Trump administration have no power. And it was self serving, it was self serving for the Democrats and all the people who encouraged that and lied about it, including pencil neck, what's his name.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, Shifty Schiff.

[Ian Crossland]

You said it so I don't have to.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Well, I'm only saying what Donald Trump said because he is a pencil neck. His head is too big for his body.

[Ian Crossland]

Here's my metaphor about what's happening on earth right now.

[Marty O'Donnell]

It doesn't make him a liar, but kind of makes me wonder if he's a liar.

[Ian Crossland]

You guys are into video games? So I look at the liberal economic order got built basically to destroy communism and protect the world. They were going for a domination victory, try to take over the planet. Then the Soviet Union ended in 89, but the liberal economic order is still in control. So it's like looking for a nail. It's a hammer, like, where's my communism? Where's my communism? And so it's, well, Russia, bad guy Russia. So this machine is built to fight Russia. It's been around, but we don't need it anymore. Now we've made pretty clear like it's a diplomatic victory.

[Phil Labonte]

When you say the liberal economic order, that's about more like economics than actually like trying to keep Russia in check. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

It was basically to keep the Soviet Union in check.

[Phil Labonte]

And that's what NATO and the un. The UN was kind of designed to do that not as much as NATO was. NATO was intentionally designed to keep the Warsaw Pact in check. But the liberal economic order, that genuinely is a net benefit for the world bringing countries that had basically had basket case governments and had zero economic activity, had massive, massive amounts of absolute poverty. The liberal economic order, the proliferation of capitalist ideas and free market ideas brought, you know, it, it essentially has gotten rid of abject poverty almost entirely. And there won't be there, There will be, there will be only a handful of, of on a global scale, a handful of people that are in, in abject poverty by I think 2030, the, the UN and stuff we're saying. So overall that has been a massive benefit for the human race.

[Ian Crossland]

What's, I think what's happening is the, the holdovers of that thing are these people, these comey. And the Obama administration, it's like they're still in that state of like we must destroy, stop, control the planet by domination. Military victory. And after the Middle east wars, it became apparent to me that we can't. Nuclear threats, we don't have the manpower and we have to find another path which is like the cultural victory or the scientific victory. But that machine is still in place and that's what they were doing. They thought Trump was gonna derail it.

[Phil Labonte]

Are you talking about NATO?

[Tim Pool]

And he largely is. I mean this was really funny. Is that up until Trump won in 2016, the system was the US UniParty. It was one global order. It was the, it was the liberal economic order machine. And be it McCain or Obama, you got the same system. Be it Romney or Obama, you got the same system. Trump was not supposed to win and did. And the liberal economic order fell into chaos and panic. And now the craziest thing is from that point on, conspiracies began to unravel. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was a conspiracy theory my whole life, and now it's just historical, historical fact. All of this insanity is buckling under the. The failures of the children of the liberal economic order. These people, I, I have to imagine the people who started the liberal economic order after World War II, if they could see how their grandchildren are handling this, they would spit on the floor and say what? But hey, wealth only lasts three generations. But you know what? I, I'm, I'm sitting here thinking like, man, I don't think we've won just yet. Especially with the terror attacks that we've seen seen. The left is rearing its ugly head, unwilling to accept defeat. But breaking news, ladies and gentlemen, Alex Jones is back. He tweeted his new YouTube channel and I recommend all of you go to YouTube.com Alex Jones live and subscribe. He's only got 797 subscribers.

[Brett Dasovic]

You're. You're in the early camp.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, look at me. I was you.

[Brett Dasovic]

Now you can start messaging him. Been a subscriber since $0.09 907.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, look, you know this guy, he's got a small channel, but I think he's pretty good.

[Brett Dasovic]

He's on the way up.

[Tim Pool]

He's on the way up. Maybe, maybe we could bring him on and do a collab and he'll help boost his subs. This is why I'm here.

[Ian Crossland]

And the 1000th subscriber. I'll remember this day for a long time.

[Tim Pool]

So now, now Alex Jones tweeted out his new channel. I'll say say this. I think the reason he's not using his older channels is that they. Because of the lawsuit against him. So he makes a new channel which is outside of whatever that suit is, perhaps. I also don't know if YouTube actually unlocked his accounts. I'm wondering if Alex Jones is basically poking the bear. Google announced they will no longer take political censorship. The only reason Alex Jones ever got censored was purely political. He like it's purely political. Now that he's back, the question is, is YouTube going to pull him off or not? I will also add I submitted our Alex Jones Joe Rogan, Tim cast IRO episode for review and they rejected the appeal. It appears I've submitted again. I will not stop. And my contact at Google, it's been a couple days, hasn't responded yet. So that after everything we've seen, I'm not going to. I'm not going to, I'm not going to stop. I'm going to keep pressing this, but this looks like a massive victory.

[Brett Dasovic]

So do you. So were his old channels unbanned or are they still gone?

[Tim Pool]

I don't think so. I can't find them because even if.

[Brett Dasovic]

They were, it might be beneficial for him to start a new one because like you said, you started a new channel recently and you found a reach again algorithmically. They it like still would have been throttled.

[Tim Pool]

I think, I think the big issue is what the reason I don't think they unbanned him and I think that there's Infowars is part of that lawsuit, all of those companies. So Alex Jones allowed to have human personal social media media and that's what he's got right now. He's going to have a million subs overnight, I swear.

[Brett Dasovic]

How did your videos do covering the YouTube censorship like on YouTube, how do.

[Tim Pool]

Moderate middle of the road, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

Jim Jordan's a hero. I know it wasn't just him uncovering this stuff and forcing it, but this, this thing, this decision by YouTube or whoever owns. I mean, Google, which is owned by Alphabet, that they're like, yeah, okay, gates are open again.

[Brett Dasovic]

You should, like, everybody should ask their, like, liberal ant be like, so about that free speech discussion. Do you see what was going on over there at Google? They won't know anything about it because Jimmy Kimmel didn't talk about it.

[Ian Crossland]

That would be a good, like, reelection campaign. 2028 for the Republican Party is like, really explain to people how it worked from 2016, 2020 to 2024.

[Brett Dasovic]

Even that for, like, think about if Jimmy Kimmel just, like, paid lip service and brought this up, like, how much, like, goodwill he could have won if he didn't want to apologize. Made the most, like, tacit apology to what he did, but also brought up the Google censorship of conservatives. He could have actually made a lot of inroads with people who weren't a fan of what he said, but also are staunchly free speech. Speech.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he still could, bro.

[Tim Pool]

And Gavin McAnis was. Gavin McInnis was brought back to X last week. This is.

[Brett Dasovic]

I saw that Elon Musk is, like, never heard of him.

[Tim Pool]

Like, did that.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like, like, he's like, didn't know.

[Tim Pool]

Like, bro, this is wild. I can't say much right now, and if anybody knows, don't say anything. But Friday's culture war is going to be the most insane thing we ever do ever. It's going to be the craziest thing we. We've. We've ever done, probably. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

The future is like, the potential. Potential of crazy for the future is unperceivable. Like, I don't even know if you realize how it gets, like, bigger, beyond sight.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah, it's.

[Ian Crossland]

It's pretty. It scales exponentially, which is what makes it interesting.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it's. It's. It's crazy that the. The polarization that we're experiencing, not politically but emotionally, that, yeah, Alex Jones is back. He's at 3,000 subscribers already. I don't know how long this will last. Maybe they will take a move against them, but if they do, it's gonna fly in the face of the statement they gave to the Judiciary Committee and Jim Jordan, Gavin McInnes being unbanned is massive. The uncovering of the censorship is absolutely massive. And while we celebrate this, we also have to contend with the leftist terror attacks against us. But it's an equal and opposite reaction. All of these tremendous Cultural victories are resulting in a massive backlash clash in some kind of. I don't know how to describe it, but in terms of the scale of victory we have, they are recoiling in a comparable violent fashion.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah, but that's, that makes it unequal. They're, they're doing kinetic to us doing ideas.

[Tim Pool]

What I mean is like the numerical value of quantifying our victories. They are reacting in a, in a negative to the, to the, in an inverse. Inverse reaction. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

Also looking forward at what's coming. We got to remember, remember a corporation has control of this show. Has like a singular corporation called Alphabet Can. Not all we're on different networks, but Alphabet's power. Right now we actually get more views on Rumble. That's awesome. Harrison Sewer, who did a documentary called Game of Money focusing on the Federal Reserve, said that once the culture war sort of simmers and slows, people will remember that central banking is the issue right now. Our country becoming bankrupt is what will cause people to become radical.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think that it'll cause people to become rad. Radicalized. I think that people will be radicalized by societal factors and then they will become violent because of a collapse of the monetary.

[Brett Dasovic]

I think like, like the, the wealth gap right now would be a bigger. Like they're not going to like I'm guessing the average person who's looking at like all the average person who's angry at the billionaires who the have nots who are angry at the haves, they're not really thinking necessarily about central banking, just what the el have that they don't.

[Phil Labonte]

The people that act out, they, they don't often have a deep understanding of like Austrian economics. They don't have a deep understanding of why they're actually angry. Because if you do have a, if you have a real good understanding of the, the system and the way that it works, most of the time people say, oh well I understand this. I can use this to my advantage. It's the people that don't understand it, that don't have the ability to take advantage of the system that we, we exist in to that, that get angry and say the system's unfair. I'm locked out. So I think it'd be better if we just destroy it and tear it all down.

[Ian Crossland]

And those were the Bolsheviks in at the end of the Soviet or at the end of the Russian Empire. They were in a terrible economic situation. Weimar Germany. They were completely. And they didn't understand. They just followed along with their socialist government like the Nazi. You got The Nazi Party, because the economic.

[Phil Labonte]

The Nazis were a reaction to the communists. And the Nazis weren't extremely far away economically from the Communists. Right. They were. They were kind of fighting over the same socialists.

[Marty O'Donnell]

It was still authoritarian. You know, the thing, I'm looking at this and I, you know, it's. I read, you know, FA Hayek and the Road to Serfdom, and I understand a lot about economics and conservative ideology. What's slapping me in the face right now is the difference right now between the two sides is a spiritual difference. And that's what I saw Charlie Kirk actually emphasize. And turning point literally means. I know I'm changing the subject, but I'm not.

[Phil Labonte]

No, it's fine.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Because what I'm saying is that we can get away from ideas and rational and logic and we can argue all sorts of things, but what I'm actually seeing is a spiritual battle going on in this country, in the world world. And repentance means to turn from the direction you're going in. You're going in this direction. Repent means turn around. We as humanity have been traveling away from God and it's time to turn around and come back to God. And that's how simple that is. And what I'm seeing is Gen Z men, especially Gen Z males, actually realizing that they have one choice. We talked about this before the show, show. But they're either going to be nihilistic, suicidal murderers, murdering suicidal people, or they're going to find something that's actually, actually real, that is. And the generations ahead of Gen Z, Gen Z's have not been providing these kids anything tangible. And Charlie was saying, there is a tangible thing. There is something there for you. And it's called loving God. And you start with loving God and everything else will come back to you. And I'm seeing these kids going, thank you. That's what I need. I don't need to read a bunch of more philosophy books. I need some. I need something that's spiritual, that's actually solid. And to me, it's amazing to see that this could happen. I just want revival.

[Tim Pool]

I need to add this in the context of Alex Jones from the Hollywood Reporter. Jessica Chastain says she does not agree with Apple's decision to postpone the Spoiler savant. So for those unfamiliar, one of the stupidest things I've ever seen, they did this show. I mean, this just shows you how much they're losing. In the same segment where we say Alex Jones is back, we can also mention this show, the Savant, where You want to describe it? Brett, you're the master of this stuff.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, there's, there's a, a Karen, you know, it's a, it's a female leftist power fantasy where a woman gets on the Internet.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Okay.

[Brett Dasovic]

Girl boss, and she infiltrates, creates far right extremist chat rooms to expose domestic terrorism. It's based like a 2019 article from Cosmopolitan. Is based on a real thing?

[Tim Pool]

I doubt it.

[Brett Dasovic]

No, it is based on a real thing. What they don't point out is that like we talked about it today is like the first group infiltrated and exposed was actually like a Muslim terrorist organization. But that's not what this will be. This will end up being, you know, right wing.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they're, they're, they're, they're semi camp canceling it.

[Brett Dasovic]

And she listed a bunch of, in, in her very long, you know, letter, she listed a bunch of different, you know, recent terror attacks to her credit. She didn't just list stuff that happened to left wing people, but she did also mention Charlie Kirk and others. But what she doesn't, she's not willing to admit because she says, we need this event, we need this show right now in this country so we can talk about domestic terrorism. She doesn't point out that this will. The show most likely would not have shown any left wing domestic terrorism at all.

[Tim Pool]

I want to give this his own segment, so I'm going to start from the top. For those that are watching, just the segment is a story from the Hollywood Reporter. Jessica Chastain says she does not agree with Apple's decision to postpone the savant. The gist of the show is that as Brett Desvik of Pop Culture Crisis just described, it is a lib femme power fantasy where a suburban mom goes on the Internet and infiltrates far right chat rooms and then stops their terror attacks. And as Brett mentioned in her post, disagreeing with the fact that she's. Her show's basically being Paul, maybe I'll bring it back Jimmy Kimmel style. She listed a bunch of attacks. And as I started reading these, I was like, oh boy, let's debunk this in the best way we can. She writes, in the last five years since we've been making the show, we've seen an unfortunate amount of violence in the United States. The kidnapping attempt on Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. Let's pause there now, as most people know, I think was it 80% of the men involved were informants. And it was a couple of guys, guys who were. I don't want to say necessarily entrapped, but basically entrapped.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

There was one instance where the informants drove a guy around her house and he was like, what are we doing? And then they arrested him for it. So let's continue on.

[Brett Dasovic]

They're like, do it. Do this.

[Tim Pool]

She then mentions the thing, the January 6th attack on the Capitol. And I will give her that one. 100. Not good. And she just described it as an attack. And I think that's fair. She didn't say insurrection or anything. People did storm into the building and Smith smash windows.

[Brett Dasovic]

Notice you didn't mention, like, all the stuff that when Brett Kavanaugh was being.

[Tim Pool]

I got to. I got to read the assassination attempts on President Trump. Agreed. The political assassinations of Democratic reps in Minnesota. Now, this one really gets me. You know why? It was Greg Gutfeld who made a really great point. The guy who killed these. These people in Minnesota, he didn't do it for overt political reasons.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

He may have been a Trump supporter. He may have not been. He may have been an appointee of Waltz. I will stop Kings. I will just indeed. In his car now. I will just stop and say this for the sake of argument. I will give the left that this guy was a Trump support. Don't care. He was a Trump supporter. Okay. Thank you. He didn't kill these people because of political reasons. He knew them. So this appears to be not motivated by the rhetoric of Republicans. Still bad must be condemned, but a distinction that I think is warranted. The attack on Speaker Pelosi's husband was a crazy guy. Literally. There was no. There was nothing political there.

[Marty O'Donnell]

No politics.

[Tim Pool]

No politics at all. The assassination of Charlie Kirk. Okay, agreed. The recent shooting at an ABC affiliate station in California. Yeah. Over 300 school shootings across this country. I agree with that one. These innocence incidents, though far from encompassing the full range of violence witnessed in the United States, illustrate a broader mindset that crosses the political spectrum and must be confronted. I've never shied away from difficult subjects. And while I wish the show wasn't so relevant, unfortunately, it is. Unfortunately, the show, as depicted in the trailer, was literally just showing white supremacists.

[Brett Dasovic]

Please pull if you can find the article from Variety asking. It says, like you should not. Why Pulling the savant is like the worst thing you could do right now. I don't know if that's enough to define it.

[Tim Pool]

Apple postponing is a huge.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yes. Pull that up and read.

[Tim Pool]

It is a huge mistake.

[Brett Dasovic]

Pull it up and read the opinion.

[Tim Pool]

In a shocking decision Apple TV is postponed the premiere of Jessica Chastain drama series the Savant, offering another chilling example of how business giants are running scared of the Trump administration and bowing to pressure before it even exists. The series had been scheduled to premiere September 26th. If a careful consideration, we have made the decision to postpone the Savant, an Apple TV plus spokesperson said in a statement of Variety. We appreciate your understanding and look forward to releasing the series in a future date.

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, is it okay? It's. I'm looking for a different one. It's. Let me see if I can find it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it does say it was a Apple's making a huge mistake.

[Brett Dasovic]

Okay, scroll down.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that was just the intro to the article.

[Brett Dasovic]

Okay. Yeah, you have to read the actual.

[Tim Pool]

Having watched the eight episode series for review, it's clear the Savant is precisely the type of show America needs right now. It looks at a sector of mostly white male individuals who believe that America belongs to them. Fueled by hate, bigotries and a phobia and misunderstood misogyny, they talk cruelly and candidly online about enacting harm and violence towards individuals or others who they feel are unworthy of being in their country.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Wow. It's about projection.

[Tim Pool]

So I I have a video. I recommend everyone subscribe to YouTube.com Tim Pool the Tim Pool Show YouTube channel. It's a new channel. I did the math live recorded live went on Chachi BT said conservative political violence. It said there's around three it said there's around 320 if you include January six I said leftist 13,709 if you include the George Floyd riots. If you remove January 6th and the George Floyd riots. Let's just say they cancel each other. They don't, but let's just say they do. There's around 100 leftist, not even far left, just liberal Democrat aligned violence in the past five years years and two from the right. And I will say this too with with with respect for the intelligence of the audience. There was a right wing individual who sent a threat over the Jimmy Kimmel thing initially. So this, this person I guess threatened violence against ABC because of what Jimmy Kimmel said. And Bob Iger and Anna Waldron apparently were concerned about threats stations had received from the right. And I think that's fair to point point out there was also an individual who tried burning down some some church and was was motivated by something some. I don't know exactly the details. I got no problem pointing that out. The bigger question as it pertains to all this violence Is should I be. If, if I was to walk, I'm walking down the street, right, and I see a pink haired, black clad individual and I look to my right and I see a chubby white guy in a MAGA hat. Which side of the street should I stand on this? It's obvious to literally everybody the likelihood that, that, you know, middle class white Trump guy is going to do anything to you is slim to none. And while I think it's fair to point out that the pink haired weird on the left probably won't do anything either, if we're talking strictly about which is more likely, we all know it's the left.

[Marty O'Donnell]

So one of the things I noticed after Charlie Kirk's shooting and I knew I saw people arguing right away about the motives of this person and you know, his belief system and all of this different stuff. And I was like, no, we're going to find all that out. It's all going to come out eventually and it's going to be fascinating. We're going to try to figure out about siloing inside this virtual reality and the world of social media that is consuming a generation of people. What's more important to me is I'm looking at the people who celebrated Charlie Crick's death. And I was seeing people who you'd have thought were normal, quote, unquote, middle of the road leftists who happened to be doctors and teachers and lawyers and business people. And they were literally celebrating this horrible act of political violence. I've never seen anything on the right to compare to that. I've never seen normal people on the right celebrating something as heinous as what happened to Charlie Kirk. So I'm more concerned about like, where is society now that we, it's okay for people to celebrate. And we're talking about people in Congress, people on the floor of Congress actually saying that Charlie Crook deserved this because of his evil thoughts. That's the part that scares me the most, is not that there's some wackos that are feeding off each other in their silos on social media and they do horrible things and they're probably encouraged by the leftist rhetoric. It's that there's such a huge portion of our society that can actually celebrate this event. And that's what, that freaks me out more than anything.

[Ian Crossland]

I think that psychosis comes from people talking at each other on the Internet and there's no, there's no immediate response.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Like you say, it's not an either or thing. There's nothing, there's nothing commensurate on the right.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Like.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, let's be real. You know, that when. When I saw the George Floyd riots, I thought, this is how we're supposed to live. And then when I saw that big prayer vigil, I was terrified, because like most Americans, prayer is the most threatening thing to them.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that, to Marty's point going on here. Hold on to Marty's point, though. Like, when you hear the things that the left brings up that they're complaining about things like Pelosi or the. The Minnesota lawmakers that were killed, they were not specifically, like, they were not right wingers going after people. And the Pelosi incident is one that I've made this remark about multiple times. Like, it's ridiculous for them to say, oh, this was a political attack. Like the. And. And the. The right was celebrating it. No, no one on the right celebrated.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Nobody.

[Phil Labonte]

Right. Laughed about the circumstances. Yes, because it was ridiculous. They're both in their underwear. Right. And one guy attacked Speaker Pelosi's husband. And that's bad. But nobody was. Nobody was saying, this is good. I'm glad that they did. And he deserved it. He was a bad person.

[Tim Pool]

Person.

[Phil Labonte]

And we need to see more of that or there's more people that should be on the list. And that is what the biggest problem was. Like, it's horrifying that Charlie got murdered, but the.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[Phil Labonte]

The context is greater than just Charlie's murder because the left celebrated in a. In a. A gleeful and joyous way. And then they called for more and listed off the people that they thought needed to be.

[Tim Pool]

To be.

[Phil Labonte]

To be killed.

[Ian Crossland]

Here's.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Here's the thing. I'm. I'm small.

[Phil Labonte]

The right never did.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I'm out in. Yeah, and I'm out in Nevada. And I had just talked to TP us and passed their test. And then TPUSA at University of Nevada Las Vegas was part of a group of young people who wanted me to come and speak to them. Charlie Crook gets assassinated. And then the next Monday, I'm supposed to go to UNLV and speak to this group. And I had a fleeting thought, like, I wonder if I should do this. Is this a safe thing to do? And of course, the very next thought is, I can't possibly let these people win. I can't live in fear. None of us should live in fear. But it's just insane to me that, like, that's the kind of thing that these people want us to do by celebrating. It makes all of us think twice. You Know, Tim, I'm sure you're. You get all sorts of horrible threats all the time.

[Tim Pool]

You look them up on blue sky and.

[Marty O'Donnell]

So, like, you're not gonna go? Probably. I'm gonna go do an outdoor convention on Saturday for Friday. Fun.

[Tim Pool]

We. We canceled our. Al. Alex Stein and I had a college event scheduled for two weeks. It's canceled. We can't, we can't. We. We can't get the security for it.

[Marty O'Donnell]

It's just that's. That is such a sad, sad thing.

[Brett Dasovic]

For as long as I've worked at this company, there have been swattings and incidents. And after what happened to Charlie Kirk, I was on my honeymoon and my wife literally said, this is the first time that I've thought maybe I don't want you working in this industry.

[Tim Pool]

Was it, Was it, Were you outside? Yeah. The first time when they point the guns at you?

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, me and Andy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Was that a swatting?

[Brett Dasovic]

So, yeah, the, the very first time that there was a swatting, me and Andy were walking in from one of the other buildings and we're like skating, right? Yeah, we were, we were out skating and they, we were coming back and the cops literally were like, hands up, walk backwards towards us.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah, well, you had skateboards. I mean, that makes sense.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. Rollerblades. Even worse.

[Ian Crossland]

Roller point blades on your feet.

[Brett Dasovic]

The point being that roll backwards. We work at like a media company and we have to worry about these types of things. Like, and, and I, I don't even want to talk about this with my family. Like, I, I don't want to. I don't want to scare my, my family or my parents or anything like that.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, I think this, why we see what you think on the left is where this kind of psychosis of, of like violence when on the. People on the right aren't. I think that people that have sort of been broken or that are at a level of intellect where they're easily manipulated by media are drawn to groupthink. And that is like communism, collectivism. And so they find themselves identifying with, like, what do we think everyone on the Internet, they'll type stuff like that. And people that are resistant to it are more drawn to, you know, individualism and owning your property and protecting yourself. And so they gravitate in another direction.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I'm telling you guys, let's, let's open our, our eyes. Godless communism. That is like a funny thing to say. It's like an old, it's an old fashioned conservative boomer thing to say, but it's actually true. You know, Marx and Lenin and the progressives all the way through, you know, all the way up to Derrida and the philosophers of the French and the deconstructionists, they want God gone. And it goes all the way back to, you know, you know, Romantic poets and philosophy and. And it's a rebellion against God. And when you eliminate God, you're open to this. And that's where the psychosis and the evil comes from.

[Ian Crossland]

I think the antidote is virtue. I've been to. Charlie was, like. Talked about Erica when he met Erica, and he said, she's Christlike. And I'm like, okay, that's our job as Christians or just to live in a good way. You want to be Christ. Like, you don't want to be Christ, because that adjective is to explain the anointed one by God, Jesus of Nazareth. But you can be like Christ. And if you embody the sin opposite the virtue of the seven virtues of Catholicism. Chastity, diligence. You have temperance, charity, patience, humility, and kindness. Kindness. And those seven things are so important to embody. If you embody the synopsis, you become Antichrist. And that's. What if someone super famous and well loved starts to embody sin? People might erroneously say, he is the ant, the Antichrist, he's just Antichrist. In that moment, they can still redeem themselves.

[Tim Pool]

That sounds like all of the left. Like when you described those things, those seven things. The inverse of that. It's like the left is what? They're arrogant. Arrogant, Prideful, Wrathful, lazy, Envious. Yes.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Seven deadly sins. I mean, that's. It's always cracked me up that there's Pride Week or now Pride Month, and it's like Sloth Month one. Yeah, it's one of the seven deadly sins. Like you could have come up with better. This reminds me of when the company that took Halo over decided to name their company after one of our main villains. 343 guilty spark was a villain. And then 343 guilty industries made Halo.

[Tim Pool]

They love the. The left loves the villains.

[Ian Crossland]

It's important we can all become. We can all become Antichrist. So it's important to stay virtuous because, like, when Trump said, I hate my opponent, he was embodying wrath, which is Antichrist. And if. If you don't check him on that and let him go down that road, it can become.

[Marty O'Donnell]

He has to be checked. That's what I loved about it. He was asking, you can please try to redeem me. I think I'm making a mistake here and he had a somewhat smile on his face. Trump's being Trump and he wants to be redeemed. He's, he's asking for help.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I said we got to go to your rumble rants and super chats. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know right now that uncensored portion of the show is coming up at 10pm you don't want to miss it. It's, it's going to get fun. Not so family friendly of course, but join our discord [e-mail] click join us and it's a party. There's tens of thousands of people there and they're wondering why you aren't hanging out. Before we go to your chats, we got a great sponsor my friends. It is block trust ira. Check out block trust ira.com Tim Cryptocurrency is here to stay. Block trust ira is making crypto accessible to everyday Americans looking to build retirement retirement wealth. Their White Glove concierge service walks you through the entire process. No overseas call centers, just real American crypto specialists helping you invest safely. What truly sets them apart? Black Trust IRA believes Bitcoin changed the game. Now AI changes the strategy. Their exclusive access to the award winning Animus AI technology recognized by Bitcoin magazine as the number one crypto platform among 1500 plus global competitors. The system works 24 executing sophisticated strategies that outperform traditional buy and hold approaches by a significant, significant margin, minimizing risk and maximizing opportunity. With over 60 cryptocurrencies to choose from and military grade security protecting your investments. With $200 million in insurance, you can diversify with complete peace of mind. Whether you're rolling over an IRA 401k or just starting in crypto, Block Trust IRA has you covered for a limited time. You can get up to $2,500 in free bonus crypto when you open an account. So check out block trust ira.com Tim don't forget all investing has has risks. You guys need to make sure you are making these decisions for yourself and based on the advice from these individuals, what you think works. I will also just add on top of this, I am very very happy personally that I bought Bitcoin 10 years ago.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm happy I bought it like six months ago.

[Tim Pool]

That's true, that's true. But in all, in all seriousness, you know we like the Block Trust guys and everything. Just make sure you're doing your due diligence. It's your money. Make sure you're taking care of yourself, by the way. It's going to come down to what, you know, your responsibility.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I bought Apple in 1998. That's all I'm saying.

[Tim Pool]

You know, my first. My first. My first bitcoin was at 70 cents. And then I sold it at 5 bucks, dancing like, let's go. And then I had 20 bitcoin when it was at 20 bucks and I sold it and I was like, like, let's go. It spiked to 20 bucks. And I was like, guys, I got 400 bucks. Let's go. I'm taking out to dinner. Yeah, there's no way anyone would have expected 100 grand per bitcoin. I listen, I was on these forums, I was hanging out with these people back in 2011 when Bitcoin hit like 70 cents. It went to a dollar or whatever. I had been. I've been using this. No one thought. We were all like, wow, it's at 20 bucks. What do you think? So when it went up to when it crashed it down to a thousand, I was like, I'm done. And I bought a bunch. When it was anyway 80,000.

[Ian Crossland]

I was like, it's so much.

[Tim Pool]

What's the. I'll buy.

[Ian Crossland]

And then it double went up by 50% to 120,000.

[Tim Pool]

I bought in at 30,000. It was like 27. And I was like, I'm just going to buy some more.

[Ian Crossland]

And remember Max Kaiser being like, bitcoin's.

[Tim Pool]

Going to go to a million.

[Ian Crossland]

And everyone's like, oh, that's.

[Tim Pool]

That's. So Alex Jones has the story where Max offered him 10,000 Bitcoin. And Alex was like, I don't know, Whatever.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I don't care.

[Tim Pool]

And then my story is comparable because, you know, back to the day, like, Max is in El Salvador now, but shout out to Max Kaiser and Stacy Herbert. I see them much more periodically. And Max was like, tim, I'm telling you, just buy a bunch of bitcoin right now and you hang out with us and you're going to be rich. And I was like, okay, Max, I get it. And then I didn't.

[Ian Crossland]

Some people, crypto people will be like, talk about other cryptos. There's other cryptos that are better. But bitcoin's like the vhs. You know, there might be a Betamax, that's a better piece attack out there. But everyone knows bitcoin.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. Let's read some chats. We got Liberty Denny says, in California, the first ice agent is. Is doxed and them or their family is harmed. Everyone who signed SB 627 should be charged and accessory and imprisoned for enabling it. Laws have consequences, Jolly. 1976 says, I'm a Flintstones kid and growing. Yeah.

[Marty O'Donnell]

That was my daughter singing that. I wrote it, as you know.

[Tim Pool]

You wrote that? Oh, well.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Come on, Tim. Hey, do some research, buddy.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't know about the Flintstones thing. Wow.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah. We are Flintstones kids. 1925. I wrote that in the car.

[Tim Pool]

Well, wasn't alive.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I know. You have grown. So you're you. Did you ever take a Flintstones vitamin?

[Tim Pool]

Of course.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

We always love them. And. And the kids wanted to eat more than you're allowed to eat. They were yummy.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's why all the memes were like, why I haven't gotten COVID 19 yet. And it was.

[Ian Crossland]

Is your daughter still a musician? Because she's a great singer.

[Marty O'Donnell]

She is a good singer. But no, she's. She's. She's a wonderful. She's got a 501c3 nonprofit that helps foster kinship care. It's called. It's foster kids. And she serviced over 30,000 kids in Nevada alone. But she was five when she sang and growing. Wow. And she's saying we use that clip of her singing and growing on many, many commercials. And it put her through college. By the way.

[Tim Pool]

Would you. Would. I don't know if this is. If this is rude or anything, but would you be able to play something on our electric.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Possibly. Yeah, I could probably try.

[Tim Pool]

We'll have that for the uncensored portion of the show.

[Marty O'Donnell]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if it's hooked up or what we need to do to make it work or whatever, but we'll find figured out. All right. Skyline says youth not taught values by parents are like empty, clear glass, easy for communists to fill with any colored propaganda and turn into killers. Parents must pass on values into kids. Government won't.

[Ian Crossland]

This is the thing about Catholicism that I love. I've spoken a lot of crap about Catholicism. I have issues with authority controlling religion. But that they forced people to repeat the virtues. This was a huge part of Catholicism. You remember. What are the seven virtues? It's integral. And now we have a free speech society. We don't compel something speech. And because of that, you see as kind of drifted from remembering what these virtues are. So it's important that we do it of our own free will so that we don't have some authority come in and try and force it.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Let's see what else we got. Let's See, what is it? Unit. Unit glue says, I'm wondering how much holy water can fix right now. Watch the interviews with the exorcist that assisted with the movie Nefarious. They speak very openly about how much the demonic loves technology. Technology. So we did a whole episode on the Culture War podcast Friday morning, last Friday about exorcisms. And I asked Father Aaron, what do you think a leftist would do if he tried to forcefully exercise them? Can you imagine how they'd act? It would look like the Exorcist. Now, here's the funny thing about it.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Lots of squirming and screaming, right?

[Tim Pool]

Like, imagine if there was some leftists outside and a priest walked up and started saying, you know, the power of Christ compels you, or whatever they say. They'd be going, you. Now, hold on. Imagine what would happen if a Christian conservative was walking down the street and a priest tried to forcefully exercise him. Yeah. They'd be like, thank. Thank you, Father. Yeah, it's kind of crazy, isn't? It's funny, right?

[Marty O'Donnell]

Sin.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. He'd say, like, I. I thank you, Father. Like, it would just be a calm and. Okay. I got to be honest, man. I think some people are possessed. Because think about a number, Normie, and I'd be like, what are you doing? They wouldn't freak out. Like, leftists would, like, these people at these rallies who, like, I don't even want to begin to describe what some of these people are like. Yeah, you've seen the videos.

[Ian Crossland]

Makes you more like them when you get in their headspace like that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Donnell]

That's why empathy is bad. Sympathy is better. I agree with Charlie. When you hear the full explanation of that, empathy is actually feeling the feeling somebody else has, and it's not necessarily a healthy place to be. You don't want to actually feel those feelings. You want to have sympathy for someone who's going through pain. You don't want to necessarily feel exactly what they're feeling because it could be pretty bad and demonic.

[Tim Pool]

Shane H. Wilder says Ian is right. Forgiveness does not equate justice being served, nor does it equate reconciliation. The original Hebrew is not thou shalt not kill. It is thou shalt not murder.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. This is a really important distinction because Erica Kirk says she's. She forgives the killer. And there are a bunch of. Of, like, I don't know, moderate lib types that were saying, like, what does it even mean? Like, you don't want to go to jail or something like that. And it's just like, no, she's saying she won't hold the hate in her heart. She won't let it weigh her down. I think she certainly expects the death penalty. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Someone had mentioned in a chat that maybe Charlie would have wanted this, this guy that's killed him to, if he could be involved, to have multiple life sentences so that he could actually repent.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I, I think the general view among most of the Christians is you there, there must be some sort of penance, and we must protect society. But it is preferable if you seek. What's the right way to describe this? I guess absolution. You know, like, come to terms with what you've done, ask for forgiveness. And forgiveness doesn't mean you get to walk free and not perfect the penalty, face the penalty for what you've done. Maybe. I think the general idea is that it's, it's when you ask for forgiveness, it is just about releasing that, that pain from within for both parties if you truly mean it. But you're gonna, you're gonna go to jail in this instance. I think Utah wants the death penalty. So. All right, what do we got? Kisham says Kimmel saying if Trump shuts down other shows, he hopes his view viewers to respond tenfold. Does that include terror threats? That's literally what happened. I, I, I don't know how you take it any other way, guys. Yeah, when Jimmy Kimmel when, when a viewer shoots up an ABC station and he says, thank you, maybe Jimmy Kimmel should have come on the air and says, did you hear this guy? Shut up a station. I mean, this is insane. Guys, stop. What are you doing? No, he said do more. I don't think people recognize where we are. No, no, I take that back. I think they get it. I think at this point people are really stopping, starting to get it, and it's terrifying. All right, Pinochet says Ian doesn't acknowledge the communist hunters have turned into globo homo communist demanders. Who, what do you mean? Who's that?

[Brett Dasovic]

Like the US Government about the liberal economic order.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Phil Labonte]

Social technocrats, they're demanding everyone. Yeah, there's a lot of that kind of stuff around here. Be saying, saying that the, the global economic order used to be about vaguely right leaning things, and now it's very much about global homogenation and stamping out populism and. Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's see what else we got. I think we got one more ran here. Bry Flex says Sinclair and Sinclair. And next, our percentage of majority Trump versus Kamala in 2024 using the location of ABC affiliates, Trump county cities, 24 Hera 16. Not that lopsided. What else have we. All right, let's see, we got here. Secession now says another show, Tim bitching about civil war. I think I will skip it tonight. I guess you don't want to pay attention to the news because we had a terror attack this morning on an ice facility, and there have been four. I don't think I said civil war tonight.

[Phil Labonte]

There's been four ice attacks now in the past. There's been four ice attacks on ice facilities in the past two weeks. The idea that we shouldn't cover this or discuss this is just ridiculous. He can go and watch, you know, something on video games or other topics, but to. To. If you are covering the news, you are covering these things, period.

[Brett Dasovic]

Why should you just come watch Pop Culture Crisis where we'll make fun of the savant and talk about the deranged leftist female power fantasies instead?

[Ian Crossland]

And if you're playing Halo while Marty's talking, you're listening to the guy that made the music.

[Marty O'Donnell]

That's right.

[Ian Crossland]

The game you're playing as you're playing it.

[Tim Pool]

Kai says Marty, thank you for making the music for my favorite game. Also, damn you for taking part in making the horror. Who at Bungie thought it was a good idea to add zombies to a space game with RPGs?

[Phil Labonte]

With RPGs.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Well, yeah, that was. I have to. The. The. When rocket launchers were in the hands of. They were. They weren't zombies. They were too fast for zombies. They were the Flood. And that was me. So, yeah, that was a little bit scary when. When all of a sudden you ran into. In the library and the flood had rocket launchers.

[Phil Labonte]

And the. The first time you.

[Marty O'Donnell]

It was unfair.

[Phil Labonte]

The first time that you run into the Flood, like the first encounter. It actually was pretty scary as far as, like, video games go. Yeah, you know, it was really cool.

[Marty O'Donnell]

It was scare the kids, give them.

[Ian Crossland]

More weapons and bigger.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Well, yeah. As you went further, suddenly they had the ultimate weapon. And you're like, you came around a corner and got a face full of rocket. And you're like, who shot that? The Flood is shooting rockets now? It was. It was a little.

[Tim Pool]

Did you also do all the Destiny? Original Destiny stuff.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I did music for Destiny and what all the actors, including Peter Dinklage.

[Tim Pool]

But I don't understand how they. Like. The original Destiny story was just hodgepodge nonsense and everybody knew we loved the game anyway.

[Marty O'Donnell]

You realize I got fired just before it came out. Well, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Is it because you wanted to fix it?

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yes, it actually was. I, I, There's a, there's, I'm working on a book, believe it or not, and it will tell my story of my time at Bungie and in video games. But yeah, there was a, there was some discussions and disagreements about how that whole thing was handled and that story was trashed. The original story that we had been working on got trashed and then they were going to try to fix it at the last minute and it was like, that was impossible. It's going to be junk. It's going to be garbage.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it largely was with the gameplay. Gameplay was good. Yeah. But man, it's, this is, this is why 2014.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Exactly, 2014.

[Tim Pool]

Because I, me and my buddies have played the place non stop. Yeah. Back when you could actually farm the.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Glitch when you shot into the cave and.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. Yeah. They took it away from us. And it's like, why? And they're like, because you're not playing the game we want. And. Well, I guess the general idea is you level up too quickly. It ruins the gameplay and things like that.

[Marty O'Donnell]

It shouldn't have been. It was a. The way the game that I was going to work on was going to be Halo meets World of Warcraft and I thought that would be pretty cool.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Marty O'Donnell]

But I don't think that's what we ended up doing. And I wasn't happy and the story got junked.

[Tim Pool]

Did you play it? Pretty extensively. I'd imagine you did.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Only when I was working on it, I didn't play what was shipped because.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it was one of the things I really loved about the original World of Warcraft. And the original Destiny was in World of Warcraft we called it glitch hopping.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You could exploit map terrain and go into unexplored areas and then you could learn about upcoming expansions. And in Destiny you could do that with a sparrow. You could go up to a wall and then you could click. Yeah, click through. No, through the wall or whatever. And then we found areas that weren't previously released and they took it all away from us. And it's like, then the game becomes really boring. The one thing I will say about Destiny is it probably has one of the worst stories I've ever seen for any game ever. From start to finish, every expansion has just been the most absurd, stupid, poorly written garbage. I'm sorry if that's offensive to you. I don't know, maybe it's not to me.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I, I was, I wasn't there. So I, I was not happy with it.

[Tim Pool]

I can't remember the last one I played. Played. I think it was when you, when you unlocked the darkness or whatever. And I was just like, they have no idea what they're doing. The story is just such cockamamie BS and it really ruined it for me.

[Ian Crossland]

What was the destiny of. In of the story?

[Marty O'Donnell]

There was none.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Donnell]

And it's like the original Traveler was completely different. The original Ghost was completely different. The, the, even the gameplay was going to be different than what ended up happening. And like for example, all the, all the AI companions were going to go on missions with you and you wouldn't have just one ghost that was just spewing mindless.

[Tim Pool]

Are you allowed to give us the story?

[Marty O'Donnell]

I've already been sued and countersued and been countersued and found in contempt. That's all behind me now. I'm past all of it.

[Tim Pool]

So you can't.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I can.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, okay. So can you. Elevator pitch. What the original story was supposed to be.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Wow, that would be a hard elevator pitch. But it was like I said it was gonna be. Destiny was gonna be World of War Cry. Craft and Halo come together so the story would evolve as you're playing with your friends. So for example, the crow was a character who ended up being someone who was like going to be this cool mercenary kind of outlaw. You didn't know if you could trust him and he was going to go on missions with you and you'd find loot and you'd find stuff and you'd uncover the. The outer belt that had his sister was. Was ruling it and it was just.

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[Marty O'Donnell]

There's going to be all sorts of cool things like that, you know the, you know, you know the story changed so drastically, we got rid of entire characters like Rasputin and some other things.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he's still in it, sort of.

[Marty O'Donnell]

No, but I mean the names are there, but it's, it's not the story we have.

[Tim Pool]

I think one of the worst things about it was they, I don't think the people at Bungie understood that. I wanted to see humanity. I wanted to see victory. Yeah. And so all they kept giving us was defeat.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so every time, this is why I basically stopped playing. Because every expansion was basically like, humans lose again. And I'm like, stop, stop losing. I wanted to come back to the game. I wanted the expansion to be like, there's a new city. And then it's like humanity is reviving and you're reclaiming planets. Instead it's just like, nah, you're losing. Yeah, you're losers.

[Ian Crossland]

I think Battlestar Galactica pulls, pulled that off in the storyline. I don't know if you're familiar with the Brett. Fascinating storyline because they're running from these robot AI creatures that are destroyed.

[Marty O'Donnell]

The problem with that is everybody turned out to be a robot. I mean, is she a robot? No, wait, they're all robots. By the end it was like, I.

[Ian Crossland]

Swear, everybody started strong and there was just them losing over and over again.

[Marty O'Donnell]

But yeah, Destiny had a very complex story and by the time I saw the rewritten script and I had to work on some of that script because I was sort of biding my time before I got fired. I had put in my, you know, I, I object and nobody cared. What was the line? I don't have time to explain why. I don't have time.

[Tim Pool]

I was going to ask why I.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Recorded that line and I was like, I remember sitting at a table read, actually being the guy reading that line and I just looked around, I was.

[Tim Pool]

Going to ask you what was the reason the stranger didn't have time to explain why she didn't have time.

[Marty O'Donnell]

There was no reason. It was because the writer didn't know what to say, that we had no answer to anything.

[Tim Pool]

Couldn't you get a 15 year old kid and be like, draw a picture and we'll make that the reason?

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yes, that could have happened. That's sort of what I was suggesting at least.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, look, I think, I think they made money off the game. So, you know.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah, and I made money when Sony bought Bungie because I, I sued for my founder stock and they had to give me my founder stock. And then I waited until Sony bought them and then I was like, all.

[Tim Pool]

Right, you know, I do, I, I, I, I think the gameplay is, was largely good. I think it's, it's, it's, it's broken at a certain point. But Destiny and Destiny 2, me and my friends played non stop. I, I think my, my buddies still play it all the time. Actually, I don't even.

[Marty O'Donnell]

The Raids. Did you play like the, like any of the Raids?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, all of them, dude.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Oh man, the from. I remember the guy who designed the Raids, he said, marty, the thing you want to have Destiny be, it's not the game, but it is in the Raids. And I'm like, sorry, Luke. That was Luke Smith.

[Tim Pool]

The glass. What was it called?

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah, the first one was Glass.

[Ian Crossland]

Vault of glass.

[Tim Pool]

Vault of glass, dude. And then we would push, what's the, what's the, we push him off the edge. We would, we would.

[Marty O'Donnell]

The big round thing.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, the, the giant Vex. Oh oh, oh. The original, the original cheese was that you'd force him to walk off the edge and kill himself and instantly win. Man, that was so much fun. Yeah. Vault of Glass, the Vex. I forgot the guy's name. I'm sure people in the chat are going to remember. And then. Oh, dude, who was the, the son of man, it's been so long. When you, the, the, the other raid, the expansion into the Dark or whatever, it was Oryx by that. Oryx was it? No, no, no, no, no. Oryx was the big guy.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, right.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Who was, who was the, a chained up guy? Is that what you're talking about? The one who was. No, see, I, I, I never played the final shipping versions of, of the game, so I don't know.

[Phil Labonte]

I still play a little bit of Destiny 2. Yeah, I like it, saw it. It's not so great. Now the mo, the most recent expansion is Crota.

[Marty O'Donnell]

That's what I heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Crota Ra. Yeah, I remember.

[Tim Pool]

Oh man.

[Phil Labonte]

Crota, the son of Oryx.

[Ian Crossland]

Have they successfully made a game that would be a cross between Halo and.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I don't think anybody has.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Marty O'Donnell]

And it might be. The problem is that might be a.

[Phil Labonte]

Hard part of the reason why I started playing Destiny was because the actual gunplay was so similar to Halo.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Well, the gunplay was, but the, the, the what we could do with scripting events inside the game game so you could have a sense of flow and progression and victory and even I, I, I can tell you one of the things I remember when this decision was made, it was like, well, you know, not everybody can be a Hero. And I'm like, but if you're playing a game, you want to be a hero.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the point of playing video games.

[Marty O'Donnell]

A problem.

[Tim Pool]

Was it to make people be bad or something?

[Marty O'Donnell]

No, it was just like, this is what's going to want you to cause you to want to play with your friends and have, and, and join up with other people in the, in the UN Universe, we had no control over the, what we, what we used to call the AI. So the, the, the characters that are AI, characters that play along with you, we had no way to control them inside the game. Yeah, we couldn't script things. And so I said, where are the friendly marines? Where's the friendly AI? Where's the people who are going along with you? That's, that's part of what Halo is. You can't get rid of that. And they're like, well, we have to for these technical reasons. And I'm like, okay, well we need technical reasons. That brings them that back because we're going to lose something really important to the way the gamers feel about who they are in the game and how they're respected. And it's like, oh yeah, other players that you meet along the way are going to give you that. I'm like, no, they're not. Just there are other schlubs out in the world.

[Tim Pool]

All 76 tried that and went, whoops, doesn't work. I will say this. Vaults of glass, they've never lived up to it. And, and I, presumably because it was the first raid, it was the in game game. And so the complexity, the puzzles, the gameplay, See, they were able to do it.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Only in the raids could they do the scripting. That was similar to Halo. And that's what Luke told me. He says, well, don't worry Marty, we're doing it in the raid. And I'm like, Luke, that's not the game. That's a little bonus extra part of.

[Phil Labonte]

The game because the raids take six people. And not everybody, not everybody's really that social. Some people just want to do stuff like the dungeons. You can get away with doing solo.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Phil Labonte]

But the raids and stuff like that, which is, you know, you play well of Warcraft.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I played a little bit, but not much.

[Tim Pool]

I, I used, I played it when it, when it first came out back in vanilla, level 60, tier 2 PvP, rogue, all that good stuff. That was a destroyer, Field Marshall gear, all that good stuff. That means I'm obviously not the best I have Grand Marshal, anything like that.

[Marty O'Donnell]

But you still felt like A hero. I get it.

[Tim Pool]

No, I just. It was. It was really difficult to get that gear at the time. Alter Valley was the best.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it is.

[Tim Pool]

And. But you. I can tell you where they broke the game and it started to come around. Around. In the. In the vanilla game. You had to make friends. You had no choice. And those friends attached you to the game. So we had. I think we had team speak at the time. That's what we used, man. This is. What is this? 20 years ago? And so I'm running around and I'm like, level 30 something rogue. I got no idea what's going on. And then someone comes up and they're like, are you in a guild yet? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm trying to do. What's that?

[Ian Crossland]

Play Hogger.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's like level 10, bro. Level 30. It was. What? What? What was it? It's the. The.

[Ian Crossland]

No, you're talking about, like, Dark Mall. What is it?

[Tim Pool]

No, it's the. It's the red area. And the. It's been so long since I played Van Badlands. It's. You go into the cave. I don't know. It's a level 30 dungeon instance. And so anyway, with all those ogres, those big ogres.

[Ian Crossland]

The.

[Tim Pool]

The. No, the trogs. Okay. Or whatever. But anyway, so I. I end up joining a guild and then they're like, here's our. Our server for. For team speak. Or whatever. Then I joined and they're like, hey, what's up, man? Welcome to the guild. And I was like, hey, how's it going? And they're like, hey, you know, I am so and so, like, here's what we're doing. Let us know if you ever need any help or any materials or whatever. Like, let us know. And then I'm like, cool. And then all of a sudden I was turn going online and it was like a friends list again. Like when I was a kid on aim.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

They got rid of that for the auto raid function now. I mean, the last time I played, I think was Legion or something. No, no, it was. It was. It was Shadow. Shadowlands? Is that what it's called? It's been so long. But you go in, you click. I want to go on a raid. And you click it and then it just randomly pairs you with 40 people that you don't know. They're stupid, easy, and boring. And I was like, this game sucks.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, man. You used to have to find a warlock and befriend him so that he could Teleport you to the dungeon to go play with friends. And now you just click a button. I don't know. It's like this age of alderman. Alderman. That's what I was trying to think of.

[Tim Pool]

Alderman. All right, let's grab. We'll grab. I'll grab one more here. Cuz everyone's like, read more super chats and I'm like, bro, I'm getting lost in old video games, man. Sorry. Simon KE says many of us said this is going to take a war to stop the existential threat to the people of our once free republic. Tim and friends. Now we get to see if we can navigate and survive a fully mature communist rebellion. I think we're winning. I think we will win. But the night is always darkest before the dawn. And so we can see these terror attacks are the recoiling temper tantrum of violent psychopaths who can't accept that they've lost. And we have the weight of government behind us to stop these criminals, as we should. And these terrorists. Terrorists. And we are going to restore peace to the Republic. That being said, smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. The uncensored portion of the show is coming [e-mail] Timcast IRL. You don't want to miss it. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Marty, do you want to shout anything out?

[Marty O'Donnell]

Yeah. Everybody go to Marty4Congress.com and by the way, you can find out everything I believe in and you can also contribute to me there. Now the reason is contributing is good, is good for your. Your soul. But it also shows the Republican Party that I have people out there in the real world who support me. So Marty for Congress.com and I want to get to Congress and start doing the right thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it the word Marty for fo R for yes. Thank you for Congress.

[Marty O'Donnell]

I should have bought both URLs. It's not too late domains. I should have done it. Yes, you're right.

[Ian Crossland]

Get it.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Okay, we're going to. Somebody probably just bought it.

[Tim Pool]

Let me see.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Doggone it.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to go put on Destiny 1 after this.

[Marty O'Donnell]

The music's good, I can tell you that.

[Tim Pool]

No more Peter Dinklage, though. It's Nolan north, right?

[Marty O'Donnell]

I got all the Peter Dinklage.

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on X at Brett Dasovic on both of those platforms. And what you should do is check out Pop Culture Crisis. We are live Monday through Friday at 3pm you should check us out on YouTube and rumble. See you there guys.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm Ian Crossland and thank you guys for coming. Thanks for having me. It was very, very good to be here. Be virtuous. Remember, check out the Catholic virtues. Get familiar, familiarize yourself with them and memorize what they mean and what they used to mean because the definitions can but it it all and then see the sins and just focus on a virtuous life. It'll help a lot in in your moment to moment and for the future, all of it. Just be virtuous. Thank you.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify or Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is free crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about a minute. Thanks for hanging out.

[Marty O'Donnell]

Cool.

[Tim Pool]

Sa.