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MASS SHOOTING At California Mosque, Two Teenagers Dead In Suspected HATE CRIME w/Mary Flynn O'Neill
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cast IRL here on this what is it Monday? Who even knows anymore what what day it is? I am obviously not Tim Pool. I am Nick Sorter, who was asked a couple of hours ago whether or not I'd be able to fill in for Tim tonight. A lot of news happening over the past couple of. Couple of hours here, and we've been going through it here in the studio for. Since the minute I got here. But I want to take a moment. I want to welcome our guest here tonight, Mary. Introduce yourselves. What do you do?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Hey. Hey, hey. I'm Mary Flynn o'. Neill. I'm the executive director of America's Future. It is the nation's leader in preserving America and their principles and values. And we are 80 years old this year, and so we are the first nonprofit known in the job we do to protect American rights and faith, family and freedom.
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Nick Sorter
Awesome. We'll get on the line here.
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Ian Crossland
Hi, I'm Ian Crosland. That's about all I got. Follow me at Ian Crossland.
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Tate Brown
That was so solid. That was such a solid intro.
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Nick Sorter
Great intro.
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Tate Brown
I'm Tate. I'm happy to be here. Chris Holden.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah. Chris Carr. I am a writer, journalist, book editor, and the proud father of two boys.
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Ian Crossland
And I'm Carter Banks here as well, producing the show. So let's get into it.
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Nick Sorter
Awesome. And I, you know, some of you might know, I'm not gonna pretend that everybody's gonna know me in the audience. I'm Nick Sorter. I am an independent reporter, mostly based on X, because they'll pretty much just ban me on any other platform that I go to. So that's the best place to find me. Some of you may have seen me on there. Stories like East Palisade, Ohio, the Maui fires, things like that. But enough about me because I'm really not that interesting. But what is interesting is the amount of stories that has happened today here. We were just monitoring this press conference, guys. I think we're gonna get into this first. Three killed in a shooting at San Diego's largest mosque. According to the police, they actually just wrapped up a press conference where they didn't officially give us the names from the police. We think we have the names. I'm not sure if we're gonna mention them on air quite yet, but two teenage suspects found at the scene or found blocks away from the scene dead in their car. Apparently hate speech was scrawled on one of the weapons. Officials are telling not just CNN, but multiple other news networks. What are you guys thoughts on this? Because this is obviously a mosque. I've been yelled at in my comment section all day for not calling it a mosque for some reason. Even though it's called the Islamic center of San Diego. But this is a little bit different. I would say typically it's isn't a mosque. What are your thoughts, Ian?
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Ian Crossland
The whole hate speech thing is always concerning to me. I never wasn't a topic. 15 years ago, 20 years ago, when like the Columbine kids went and shot up that school in Colorado. I think it was Colorado.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah, it was.
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Ian Crossland
It didn't matter. Like obviously they hate somebody if they're killing somebody. Like what is it? If it says the word hate on the bullet, does that make it more egregious? Do we need more government funds to spy on people so that we can test them with pre crime? If they said the word hate yesterday, like, I don't know, man, it feels like propaganda. And secondly, they should be armed. These people should have gun rights in California. And bad parenting I think is leading. So I blame the parents.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah, I mean you look at this stuff and hate speech. The problem with calling things hate speech, Mary, it could be the definition of hate speech has, I don't know what's. It evolved years and years and years since the term first came up. And, and now especially in California, like what, what is hate speech defined as?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
I know it's very difficult because they take these words and they normalize them, they make them all normal. So everybody hates everybody. So I mean, I just hate speech is ridiculous to me. There is a lot of hate going on in this world today. So I mean, I come at it at a spiritual warfare kind of way because we got evil and good going on here. We got a lot of stuff going on. And these kids, you're right, these kids, these parents, these parents need to be paying attention to what their kids are doing because a lot of these kids are groomed on these online, you know, rooms going on and all this AI stuff and all this kind of stuff. I mean we train on this stuff in my group. So this. And gun rights is very important. Gun rights are very important in California.
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Tate Brown
Yeah. I mean this is, I mean, to your point, you know, the impulse is obviously to blame the parents because I mean, historically that would be a pretty good indicator that something went wrong in your upbringing for this to sort happened. But we are in a new paradigm in 2026. I mean the, the, the ways that children get effectively groomed now in situations like this. It's everywhere, it's preeminent and it happens right under the parents noses. And to be honest, they don't have that much recourse beyond just taking away Their devices. So parents in 2026 are in an entirely new paradigm. These two kids, they were kids. Well, one of them was a kid. They were. One was a teenager. I think one was 18 according to the police report. And so you're looking at this could be one of two things. One, this could be a like kind of Christchurch emulation. I think that would be fair to say. I think what's more likely is again, this was some sort of weird discord cult that they were involved in. We're seeing this happen quite a bit and just pushing these kids to the edge who end up quite atomized. And unfortunately there's a large chunk of Gen Z primarily is completely atomized and they end up finding community online. Sometimes it works out, sometimes you get married, other times this happens and you
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Nick Sorter
are talking about the parents and such and you know, holding them accountable. That's another story that we'll get to from Washington D.C. here in a bit. But we just heard from this press conference where one of the mothers actually alerted police that her son was suicidal, that he stole her guns and her vehicle and they were looking for him. And that's when they got the call that there was a shooting happening at this Islamic center there in San Diego. And I guess that brings us to at what point do you start putting some blame on the parents and be like, okay, well how long did you know that he was suicidal? Were you getting him any help? We don't know. We haven't independently confirmed this obviously, but it looks like NBC is reporting that Cain Clark, 17 and Caleb Vasquez, 18 are the suspects in the case. Both deceased. I believe three victims are also deceased. And then a landscaper who was shot out front. The bullet grazed off his helmet and he is, luckily he has survived. But you know, what do you guys think on that? Because we're go more onto this when we talk about that chaos that was happening at Chipotle in dc. But where does the accountability end up for parents?
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Tate Brown
Well, I mean in this instance they're 17 and 18. I mean, I think we have to draw a line somewhere if we are going to go down this route of holding parents accountable for the sins of their children. If these are 12 year olds, probably, yeah, you would want to pull these parents before a court and have a conversation. In this instance, 17, 18 year olds, they're completely autonomous, the parents. This is a broader conversation about how as technology advances, we used to have this understanding in society where the youth would learn from the old and the old would pass along their knowledge to the youth. But as technology develops, as technology evolves, we're in this weird inverse. For the last 60 years we've ended up in this inverse world where now the youth have to teach their parents things about their devices that they have. Like I had to teach my grandmother how to use her smartphone. We're in a really weird dynamic now. And so again, it's making it very difficult for parents because they're trying to keep the lid on a world that they have no idea how it works. I mean that's. We have an understanding. I mean, I'm 25 and I have an understanding. But even as a 25 year old I hear about some of these things that 16 year olds are involved in and I just have zero point of reference to understand it whatsoever. So I can't imagine, I imagine these parents are probably in their 40s, 50s, they're completely underwater here.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah, that dynamic compared with just the overall breakdown of the family structure. And you don't know these people. Every situation is different, but likely. There's probably some spiritual bankruptcy happening there that's going to lead to unsupervision and a lack of communication and understanding of their kids. You first want to maybe just accuse them of being chronically almost, you know, like they weren't around their kids enough. You know, they weren't there to supervise them and look after them. But every. It's probably more complicated than that, you know, But I. You said something earlier that I thought was really interesting. You said training. What kind of training were you talking about?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
So we. So we do a lot of training. I mean we've been going around this country for two years and there's getting the fights and I have put together. So, you know, Project Defend and Protect Our Children is one army. Okay. And I decided that. And I was highly involved in the CPS foster care. I saw a lot of corruption up in Rhode island, where we're from. And my own daughter had gone through a very serious situation with a divorce and kids and so forth and the kids were, you know, grabbed by CPS and so forth. So I have a. I have a life experience in this stuff. So it started to get me involved in, in the whole system and I started going deeper and finding that there's so much corruption in all these systems. So I decided to put together. So we're in a situation now where people have been saying that they have been training or rescuing children or doing things for some over 20 years. Some of these organizations, some of these nonprofits, they've been saying they've been rescuing kids for a long time, but here we are at the worst level we can imagine right now with children. And I'm not talking about just trafficking. I'm talking about crimes against children. All of the. I. So child trafficking is like getting normalized. You talk about the words, okay, hate crime. Well, child trafficking is getting normalized. People go, oh, it's like nothing. So I've. You have to try to change the whole kind of messaging to crimes against children, even grooming crimes, even parents who are not paying attention or no kids. You know, the biggest problem a parent has today is a child can go on a device and they can. They don't even have to leave their house. Years ago, you used to have to say to your mother and father, where are you going? Who are you with? What time you going to be home? All those kind of things, right? A kid can be in his bedroom, go into a room, into a. Into one of these rooms on the Internet, and literally it takes five minutes to suicide a child today when they get them into these rooms. So my training, what I decided to do was put a team together of real experts, vetted experts that go around the country. I want to go into churches, which is what I've been doing, because the role of the church needs to step up to the plate. That's a community that can save a lot of kids, a lot of families. If the pastors are true, okay, leaders, spiritual leaders, even the priests, the Catholic Church. I know all about this stuff, but I go in and I try to force, you know, the whole community in the churches to. To step up to the plate and do something to protect their people, their families from the government, from. From all the outsides, things going on, like training. So we train on how to identify predators. We train on citizenry, on what. What are your rights? Legisl. How to legislate. We train a whole series of tools that people can use to. To get their communities in order and go after criminals. I mean, right now, from the border, you guys, with the last. Last four years, we saw the open borders. So every single community is an ope, Is an open border. Every community in this country is an open border with illegals and criminals. So, you know, that's what we do. We train very hard on this. And one last thing I want to say is General Flynn wrote a book, three books, three manuals. He wrote 5G. 5G. We're now in like 8G. You really want to think about it? We could talk about that. Okay.
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Nick Sorter
So I mean, just to just remind the audience. I don't know if we actually said this or if you may have said in the beginning, but you. General Flynn is your brother.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
He's my brother. He's the chairman of America's Future, and he wrote 5G.AI Emmanuel on AI. And he wrote the best one, the Role of the Church. And that book is exactly what we take around this country. Because if we could change the way the role of the church. If the role of the church stepped up to the plate, we could save this country.
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Nick Sorter
So what is the problem there, then? I know you have places like California, for example, where they're trying to make it illegal for, say, school counselors to, you know, raise a flag about what people's children. What's going through their heads? You know, are they going through a really hard time? Are they becoming suicidal? Are they trying to. Or do they think that they're, you know, boys and girls. Bodies.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yeah. Transgender.
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Nick Sorter
How do you fix it?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
That's what you're talking about, the transgender.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah. I mean, but it's more than just that, but also, like, radicalization, like.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Oh, yeah.
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Nick Sorter
Suicidal tendencies.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yeah.
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Tate Brown
Well, I mean, what you're seeing here. I mean, and I'm saying this as a devout Christian, so I do agree that there is certainly a spiritual rotten that's occurring. And I think a primary, actually, like, factor here is that America's youth just don't see a future in the country. I think that's just the reality of the situation. You're seeing this all across the West.
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Nick Sorter
Why, though?
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Tate Brown
Because the situation's gotten so dire. I mean, like, they look around and they really just don't see. And I'm not just saying economic. I'm saying in every institution, every function that, like, their parents would have had, they're looking at their lives, and they're saying, I'm gonna have a worse trajectory. And that has a serious psychological effect. And my proof for this isn't shootings. I mean, that's certainly an outcome of that. But you're seeing increase in different political affiliations. Like, you're seeing, how did Mamdani win? Was it. Was he. Because he was an Islamic communist? Was it diversity? Those are all factors. But I think the primary factor is just, again, who turned out in the primary to get Mamdani across the finish line? It was like millennials, older zoomers.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
And those young girls between 25 and 35 were the ticket to his.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah.
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Tate Brown
And you're gonna see more and more of that a. As the country continues to diversify and become more multicultural. But Also as again, America's youth just really see no future in the country for them. And so it has a huge demoralizing effect because I mean to take it back to like Columbine for example, I mean they grew up in very normal, stable households. I believe one of the shooters actually was put in counseling because he like broke into a van or something. So these are parents that, okay, you know, like Monday morning quarterback, like, okay, they could have intervened more but no parent ever thinks their child's gonna like lash out like that. That's a very natural thing. You can't expect every parent in America to like helicopter parent their child and you know, just have immediate intervention as soon as something goes wrong. But unfortunately that's the world we live in. I mean, so yes, the parents do have an expectation to do that, but is that going to happen? Probably not. And it's just again, as the country continues to deteriorate, as western civilization continues to deteriorate, that comes in tandem with the spiritual rot because again, it's kind of a chicken before the eggs. Well, what came first? I don't, I don't know. But all this to be said, you're going to see more and more of this. You're going to see so many other social indicators like scream at us that we're heading the wrong direction and more people are going to die. I mean that's just the reality. Whether it's through this or through suicide, the suicide rate is skyrocketing.
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Ian Crossland
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
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Ian Crossland
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Nick Sorter
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
But now it's like 12 year olds can make more money than their parents online making with, with ad revenue and, and, and super chats and something like Mr.
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Nick Sorter
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Ian Crossland
I don't know how old he was when he made his first, his first meal ticket, but he paid his mom's house off pretty quick. So like the whole, like you said it earlier, Tate, to the inversion of the way children are growing up, they're actually becoming like the leaders of their household at some points because they know so much more about the way reality works.
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
These checked out parents, that's that what,
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Tate Brown
that's what creates this interesting dynamic because you have that, but you also don't have them succeeding. And then again, if they don't, like, if they don't envision a future in the country, they're going to basically check out. And when they check out, how does that manifest? What does checking out look like? Well, most of them just give up and then just like, you know, start smoking a bunch of weed or whatever. I mean, the adolescent weed usage is through the roof and you'd likely SSRIs. Those are commitment. These are both functional antidepressants. But sometimes they lash out like this. We're gonna see it more and more
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Nick Sorter
and it seems like once you get to the point where you don't have anything to lose you on a lower end of things, you might vote for somebody like Mom Donnie. Right. Just because it's like anything could possibly be better than the way that it is right now in new in terms of affordability. So I can understand that argument. But then you also get the people that are like, okay, we can't vote our way out of it, so we're gonna do things like we're going to annihilate the UnitedHealthcare CEO out there on the streets of Manhattan.
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Ian Crossland
Did you guys ever go through a nihilistic phase? Anybody here? I did. I thought you have. And it was like very like, burn it all down nihilism. Like, I'm ready to just watch it all go to ash and then whatever comes after that, I don't care. I got nothing to lose. It was a phase. I still kind of feel myself dipping my toes in it from time to time. Unintentionally. But I got out of that phase with purpose. I developed some sort of purpose talking onto the Internet. So hopefully a lot of the kids, if they're feeling it, know that it's a phase. But I don't know how long that phase will last. It kind of depends on your circumstances.
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Tate Brown
And that's the tricky thing, because, like, okay, the nihilism, I think, is at the cultural level, but I don't think it goes much deeper than that. And my evidence for that is everyone for the last 10 years has been like, burn it down. I want to see this all, like, fall apart or whatever. And then gas at $4, and everyone freaked out and lost their mind. So it's like, people say they want one thing and they conduct their personal life in a nihilistic manner. But again, when it comes to the implications of it burning down, they freak out, they lose their minds. And so that just indicates to me that, like, people are not in control of their lives. They have no hand on the wheel whatsoever, and they think they want one thing, and then as soon as it manifests, like, I mean, to make it political like a Memdani, and then it doesn't work, they just double down on the nihilism. They're like, okay, well, we didn't try the socialism hard enough. Or in other instances, Madani is only relevant because socialism is the only manifestation that's like, political.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
He's more than a socialist. He's more than a socialist.
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
You understand that, right? So you have to look at the history. You guys study the history of this country and how it began, okay? And how they set. The founding fathers did what they did. They went out and looked at every single type of culture, religion in the whole world at that time to find the best government that they. I'm going to say government that they could find for this new world. That's what they did. They studied Buddhism, they studied every culture, and they came up with a constitutional republic. Not a democracy, a constitutional republic that was a Christian established on the Bible, biblical principles of this country. Now I'm going to talk about history. In history, Christian nations are the best nations for people to live in. Okay? There's. There's no supposed to be any suppression or oppression or anything that's. You're supposed to be able to believe in Jesus Christ and the whole, you know, idea of Christianity and forgiveness and all these great things that come with Christianity.
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Nick Sorter
So you're telling me diversity is not our strength?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
No, it's more about tolerance. It's More about tolerance, tolerating each other. So we long, we look, we learn to live with each other, to tolerate your belief, my beliefs, your beliefs, they, they dropped the word when I was. I'm 65 years old, you guys. So, I mean, I'm a grandmother of four 17 year olds and a 14 year old. They're all going to be three of my seniors in high school. And they're incredible kids. And the 14, I mean, I thank God they're incredible children because they're growing up in a time that I, that's why I fight for this country and I fight for this. The traditions and the values and the principles that the founding fathers stated. It's proven what they did. They didn't just throw it together, they put it together. Well processed, well done.
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Nick Sorter
Sure. And you have.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
But corruption seeps in.
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Nick Sorter
Corruption seeps in. And I think a lot of the corruption also has to do with who we have brought over here, who we have invited into this country. And that's what I would be most worried about is, okay, you know, all of these people that have come into our country that have no interest in the future of our country, it's about them. It's about, okay, let's come in here and how do we get rich? By scamming the American taxpayer. That's what they care about. And so you're a mother and a grandmother. Does that not bother you? Like all the stuff that you were fed for decades?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Absolutely. So my grandparents, my grandparents came from Ireland. Okay. I'm from Newport, Rhode Island, New England. The first slaves were Irish slaves. I can prove that. So when I hear people reparation black, I'm saying to you, my Irish ancestors were the, were stolen from Ireland and brought here by the Vanderbilts and the English, you know, the, the wealthy, wealthy blue blood. And they were enslaved by them. And they were. And that's what people. I'm talking about history, you guys. You've got to learn the history of where you came from, what your cultures, what your backgrounds, why your parents came here, why your grand, your grandparents, all these things. It's a beautiful thing.
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Tate Brown
And I think that's why we have to be particular too, when we're identifying what is the sort of core identity of the United States, what are people assimilating to. Because I mean, I totally agree. I mean, Christianity obviously underpins the United States. And the further you get away from, again, sort of the way that the founders conducted their form of Christianity, the more difficult it becomes to assimilate these people. I mean, for example, you mentioned they weren't perfect.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
It wasn't perfect when they came here, when they started to settle here. Because of course New England's very old. It's 1600s. And I know those history pieces.
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Tate Brown
And you mentioned the founders did explore other religions. It's true. Thomas Jefferson bought a copy of the Quran and then invaded Libya like three years later.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yeah, I mean they do.
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Tate Brown
He was like, enough of this. But, but it's true because, you know, when we're conducting our like, immigration policy, for example, we have to even go deeper than Christianity because I mean Christianity, while true, it does. You know, there is a level of binding. I mean, the Haitians haven't assimilated very well and they're primarily Christians and they have no interest.
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Nick Sorter
Do they have any interest in assimilating?
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Tate Brown
No, no, they don't.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
You're right. Because there's a, because there's a very evil side to that. I know the Haitians very well. I know that island very well. And I'm going to tell you something. There's a dark side. There's a dark side. Every, even A.I. you guys, it's good. We create. We were, we were born. God created. This is what I believe. Created. We create. All our gifts come from this creator. Okay? The dark side will take those people that create, that have these creative things in them, all these great music, all these great people, and he will use them for the bad. And that's what AI in the wrong hands, AI can, is going to devastate children. It's going to devastate a lot. It's not going to be good. So in the wrong hands. And we're seeing that through our history of our country 250 years right now. Do you know the Ottoman Empire, all the empires have only made it to 250. That's historical. Look that up. So we're at a point right now that 250 years right now. So are we going to survive the next 250 years?
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Nick Sorter
As if I needed to be black pilled. Mary. Thanks. That's.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yeah, sorry, but that's historical. Look it up.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, and so I mean, to your point about like, you know, something ending up in the wrong hands, I mean, because this is why, like when again you're, I mean, just because immigration came up, this is why, like, you know, I would say the primary reason why Haiti is so dysfunctional is just because the average IQ there is like 75. It's the same thing with Somalia. There is a spiritual emptiness and evilness, but I think that's prevalent. In Europe. But the European countries do function quite well. I think it's prevalent in South Korea. Again, South Korea does function quite well. You have to ask yourself, are the Haitians or the Somalians really more spiritually bankrupt than the Czechs? But the Czechs have the highest atheism rate in the world. So it's like when you are sort of evaluating what succeeds, what doesn't, there's a lot. I guess what I'm contesting is there's a lot of different factors.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
You have done violence too, though. Don't forget violence.
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Nick Sorter
There's no point in even talking about. We don't have to talk about it. We can talk about them while they're still over in their country. We don't have to bring them here and then decide, oh, whether or do they have any benefit to our country. No, we knew that from day one that they weren't going to. But you know, we've been talking about parents as well and obviously this has been a big story over the weekend. I live right down the street from this Chipotle here where the youths, I guess we'll call them, that's what the media likes to call them. In reality, this is YouTube, but I guess I'm going to say it anyway. It is exclusively black teenagers in Washington D.C. that every single weekend, they are the reason that the National Guard is out there. They are the reason that there is a federal influx of agents on the streets of Washington D.C. every single weekend. Because you either get hit by a stray bullet, they'll rob you, they'll take over restaurants that your family is in. Like, do we have this video where you can show what happened in Chipotle in case anybody hasn't seen it? I mean, literally, you had an innocent family sitting there, a dad trying to protect his young children while these youths go out there and terrorize the joint. We'll get that video so we can give you a little bit of context here. But again, it runs to, okay, how responsible should children or should parents be for their children? And the reason that I bring this up right now, even though this just happened over the weekend, is because there's been more news on this today where U.S. attorney Jeanine Pirro has said that she will begin charging the parents with neglect and delinquency related crimes for the parents that are allowing their children to go out and terrorize random families in Washington D.C. and that's why, you know, I say, like, Chris, just go to you on this one. Should you be responsible for your children? Are you gonna let them go out and terrorize Washington, D.C. well, no, I'm happy to let them terrorize my neighborhood right now because they're 4 and 6. But when they get to be teenagers. No, I mean, here's the thing. Okay, so she can charge them. But are those charges going to stick with judges in D.C. i don't know if this is necessarily. I mean, maybe it's moving in the right direction, but I don't see a solution here because were they talking about. Wasn't it in D.C. where they're talking about doing certain zones that you couldn't be in at certain times? Yeah. Aren't they just going to move to a different zone? Well, and they, but they don't care. This was, this was a curfew zone at the time. It was after curfew. They don't care. So whoever's running D.C. you know, and making these decisions, they're not coming up with any effective stopgap measures to prevent this chaos from happening. Sure.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
You know, but she's just looking to do something very drastic because something very drastic has to happen.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
So, you know, and they can do that.
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Nick Sorter
There are other ways to do it where if they, if the parent knew that the child was going out after curfew, if they have been truant from school, if they've been skipping school and the parents have not done anything about it, that is something that the U.S. attorney could go after in conjunction with the local attorney general as well, who is up for reelection. I get phone calls from this. I don't know if I can say this word on air. So I'm not going to. Real type of guy that likes to watch his wife bang other dudes. That is the Attorney General of Washington, D.C. and so they have to pretend like they're doing something right now. So it seems like maybe they can work together on this and start actually enforcing these laws. Because we actually talked about this probably, I think last time I was on the show or the time before, where these youths are sometimes paid to go out and steal vehicles by actual organized gangs and they're paid several hundred dollars to do so because they know that they're not going to be charged with anything that sticks. They're not going to get prison time, nothing for these violent felonies. And again, at some point, the parents have to know what's going on.
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Ian Crossland
Was that the video?
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Nick Sorter
What else do you do?
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, I'm trying to pull it up really quick. You know, if a guy, if a family has a dog like a Rottweiler and it gets out of the yard in D.C. and chases a kid down and bites, that family is liable the animal, their child is also an animal. If that animal gets out of the house and goes and does what that other animal, dog, I mean, humans are animals, straight up. If that animal causes harm, it's like you let your, your, your animal, your charge go. Like, you've got to, you've got to keep that thing on a leash. And I'm talking about your kid. If it's crazy, like you gotta, it's. You are responsible for that animal. I don't know how far you take that, because if the kid commits like a white collar crime, that I wouldn't play him.
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Tate Brown
Okay, let's just say 16. Let's say 16 will be the cutoff if you're under 16 and the child does this while there's a curfew in place, then the parents need to be charged. And if they're over 16, then you try them as adults. That would be like, the very simple solution here. And I imagine, you know, because it is a federal district, they could actually make that happen. But the question is, how do you do this in a city like Los Angeles or Miami where, you know, these things happen as well? It has to be a nationwide standard. Quite frankly, if there's a curfew in place and then you violate it. If you're under 16, we try the parents. I think that makes the most sense. And then again, if you're over 16, 16, you don't get the kid gloves. You're gonna get tried like an adult.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah. Well, the other issue is they have to actually want to do this. The Democrat politicians out there have to want to do. They have no incentive to, because then they basically. It's used as an attack ad against them. It's like, oh, well, they're just kids being kids. It's like kids that are terrorizing neighborhoods in major US Cities. You can't. You go into this. Do we have this video that I have on the right side?
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Ian Crossland
Yes.
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Nick Sorter
Okay, so you pull this up here. And look and see this. It'll come onto the right side here. I've watched the video. Infuriates because I go here every couple times a week. And. And you look at. Look at the. Look at the little kids grasping their father right here. There, like two or three kids there. And why should they have to live like this? Why should they? They're not going to forget this. If I was this age and I saw this stuff happening, this is going to stay in my mind all the time.
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Ian Crossland
Especially came down flat on his back with that thing.
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Tate Brown
Especially, like, when people lie to you. Like, it's obvious to everyone watching in the audience. People don't say, it's like, obviously, like almost a uniquely black issue. But then no one will actually say that. And that just infuriates you more because, like, I grew up in Memphis. This is very familiar to me. I understand how this works. But then everyone, even in conservative media will dance around it. They'll be like, oh, it's like socioeconomic factors or something. It's like, no, it's a black thing. It is a black, like, almost entirely a black issue. Every time you see a video of, like, a public, like, massive freakout like this and there's a brawl, like, 99 times out of 100, it's going to be black. Usually black youth Involved.
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Ian Crossland
But in the 80s, it was the Italians.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yeah. And the Irish too. The Irish did it.
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Tate Brown
Yeah. But it was, I don't think it ever got to like ransacking levels. Like.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
But, but, but it was also like, you know, like a guy, like if there was a fight, if he did something, it was, you know, there was a reason for it. Like.
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Tate Brown
Right.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
We used to call it like rugby. My husband played rugby for 25 years. It was a gentleman's sport. So you go, you know, you, you take it outside. I guess I'm trying to say with guys, you take it out, you somebody bothering their lady or whatever. It was a gentleman way to handle things, you know.
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Tate Brown
So it was almost a carryover. Like when you saw again like, we'll use the term here, like the ethnic whites again, like Irish, the Italians, you would almost see like a carryover, like dueling culture into the. Even into the 80s, like you're talking about. But where it is now, it's indiscriminate. Typically any bystander will get caught up in it, especially if they look at them the wrong way or something. And it's just a complete depart from again, like some of the. Okay, yeah, we did see like maybe you would even attribute it to the mob or something beyond like weird cases like the Westies. You never really saw like indiscriminate violence,
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Ian Crossland
you know, on the masses regarding this kind of chaos. Like that sounds more like ordered combat. Let's take it outside. But like these guys is it. Would you advocate for like using deep Palantir spy tech to identify all these people and go and arrest them and charge them and then have them go to trial?
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Tate Brown
Well, I mean, I think the police already do use quite a bit of data collection and I think you have to.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
They have to.
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Tate Brown
And this goes back to the conversation we actually had on Friday, which is again, if you're going to, if you're going to have like mass tolerance, a multicultural society and whatnot, then you're going to have to have authoritarianism because it's just. There's no other way for it to function. Look at El Salvador, look at Singapore. I mean, this is just. The reality of the situation is like you can't have both. You can't have a high trust society and a super diverse society. I mean, there's thousands of books of literature on this, like trying to get around this and you just can't get around it. You either pick one or the other. And that is what. Honestly, that's what like undergirded the Trump 2024. Victory was. People were kind of thinking about that, even if they couldn't articulate that distinction. They were in the back of their head, were like, okay, I see the direction America's going, and I have a lever to pull here to stop it.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Well, they were defunding police.
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Oh, that's a big problem. You can't do that. I mean, I come from that up in New England. It's like. It's like living in communism up there. It's crazy, honestly. It really is, you guys. And I saw. I saw that growing up. And it. And growing up, it was the best place in the world to be. But, you know, as a family, and my mother was. Our family was Democrats, and they were the, you know, JFK Democrats. And then all of a sudden, my mother ran for office, too. So, I mean, I saw this switch in the party really go into some serious infiltration of communism and Marxism. So, you know, the other thing we got to talk about about, too, is the education system, the public education system. I've seen a huge change in that. And that has a lot to do with. It has a lot to do with the way. What's going on with kids.
- [39:27]
Nick Sorter
Well, the amount of them that don't even show up to school. I mean, you got. At least we get to start there. And that goes back to holding the parents accountable for truancy, that back years and years ago, they were held accountable for their kids being truant, which just for anybody that doesn't know, which it's not. Not showing up to school for especially extended amounts of time. And then. But I think another argument that needs to be had here, and I'd love to hear Chris chime in on this one as well. Masking. Right. You look at this photo here that we've got up. This is just a screenshot from that brawl.
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Tate Brown
He's worried about hantavirus.
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Nick Sorter
Oh, yeah. I'm sure he's worried about Ebola and hantavirus. I have no doubt that he's just protecting his own health and the health of those around him. Yeah. And so at what point do you say, I'm sorry, you can't wear a mask in public anymore? Like, is there. Is there at some point where you would support something like that? And, you know, Mary, what's your answer on that? Oh, yeah, I'm six years late to that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. No more masks.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Listen, OSHA never allowed it. I mean, we won an OSHA case on that when Covid did. Really? I mean, you couldn't do that osha. And we did. We won that case in the Supreme Court.
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Ian Crossland
So is it legal to wear a mask in public right now?
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Nick Sorter
I believe they tried to, like Trump tried to sign an executive order saying that it was illegal to wear a mask at riots or. Yeah, protest riots, whatever. But it's not really enforceable at the moment. It might be in Washington, D.C. i don't really know. Cause Washington, D.C. is obviously a very. It's a federal district, which is very different than anywhere else in the country. But what you pretty much know, if you see somebody, they've got their hood. It was like 85 degrees that night. Outside, you're wearing your hood up, you've got your mask on. You've probably got a warrant. Okay. You're trying to hide your identity for some reason. Either you've got a warrant or you're afraid that you're. Gonna. Or know that you're gonna commit some sort of crime and you want your face to be concealed. Good luck finding this guy. Right now, this one that threw a highchair at somebody else in a Chipotle with the hood up. You can't identify him in any way besides maybe fingerprints on the highchair because he's got a mask on.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Unless intel comes in, somebody gives it up.
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Nick Sorter
Will they?
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Ian Crossland
Maybe if they catch a few of these guys.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Depends on how much background, you know, how many charges some of these kids have on them. I mean, that could be another problem is some of these kids probably have, I mean, some charges on them. Who knows? They've got. Maybe they've got warrants. I don't know. Those kids know what they're doing.
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Ian Crossland
Any public, private establishment should have the right to ban masks. I think they already do that. And if you get caught committing a crime with the mask on, it could be. Should be an aggravated charge to hide your identity.
- [42:02]
Tate Brown
I think it's fair. Yeah. I mean, to your point, I mean, the private sector's already implemented solutions for this in places.
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Nick Sorter
How long has it been since you couldn't wear a mask into a bank?
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Tate Brown
Right, right. And like, even in places where you see a bit of these, you know, magical situations like nightclubs. Nightclubs banned shiesties a long time ago. Like, they understood that. Like, again, even in the. If you go to the uk, I mean, they realize in the UK that if people dress a certain way, they're probably gonna be up to no good. So they banned what they call tracksuit wear or athletic wear, which means you can't wear sweatpants or joggers into a Nightclub. Now, that's almost horrific for Americans here because we typically wear sweatpants in places we shouldn't. But again, they just realized, the private sector realized there's a pretty good chance. This guy, if he's wearing sweatpants to a nightclub, he's probably gonna start a fight. And this is the problem is, like, people hate the. Because that's a form of discrimination, and people hate it. People have, like, no tolerance for it. And, like, we used to have the police truancy, for example. Even up until recently, the NYPD was allowed to go up to kids, people that looked like they were under 18, and ask them, why are you not in school? That was, like, perfectly legal. And even if it's on the books, they just can't do it anymore. They'll get written up. It's a whole thing. But we have so many mechanisms that we can use to stop these sorts of things. You just have to be kind of mean, and people don't have a stomach for that.
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Ian Crossland
The inverse is that in the Chinese system, if you're walking down the street and you jaywalk, a camera is gonna be able to see your face, and you get a ticket within two minutes and you lose access to your phone, whatever. So it is a slippery slope. Like, you want people to remain anonymous. Anonymity is a huge part of the ethos of the United States, but at what cost? And any private establishment should be able to make you take your mask off or call the cops immediately.
- [43:35]
Tate Brown
Yeah, well, any erosion of law enforcement will lead to erosion of liberty. And law enforcement applies to border controls. I mean, at every level. Basically, if you are king for the day, your job to make your citizens happy is, again, reward the good people as much as possible and punish the bad people as much as possible. That's like, effectively what this comes down to. The problem is, just because of a variety of liberal dynamics, we're not allowed to do that anymore. If anything, in the United States, we reward horrible people and we punish really good people. I think the tax system, wealth transfer systems indicate that that's certainly the case.
- [44:09]
Nick Sorter
Well, so I want to make a point just for people to understand how close this is to and how much these kids don't care. This is a map of Navy yard in Washington, D.C. this is the park where they like to sh each other in the middle of the night. There was a business over here where the windows were shot through last weekend as well. This is the U.S. department of Transportation. Okay. And then this is the U.S. capitol down here. Capitol Police. You have a bunch of congresspeople that live right in this area. You have congresspeople that live in this building here, in this building here. It's all very, very close. And if this can all sit here and happen routinely right next to the US Capitol and they are this comfortable with doing it with no repercussions, like that's a joke. That's an absolute joke. The DOT is covered with Federal Protective Service all the time. You have the Navy Yard ballpark Metro station here where there's National Guard outside. Then you've got another metro station that's right here. And you see the National Guard there, but they're not allowed to do much. The kids have now figured out that you're not allowed to be arrested by National Guard. The National Guard cannot take you into custody by themselves unless they witness like a violent felony. In their view, it's bad.
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Tate Brown
The idea that we even expect the National Guard to do this. I mean, guardsmen, guardswomen, they saw what happened a few months ago.
- [45:31]
Nick Sorter
Two of their colleagues got shot.
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Tate Brown
Exactly. So they understand I just need to be here because it's my job. And then in addition to this, this entire thing proves that deterrence isn't enough. You just straight up have to punish these people. That's the reality of the situation. El Salvador realized this is they're like, okay, deterrence for people that have astronomically low or astronomically low iq, I guess, for lack of a better word, people that can't think in order, right? They can't even comprehend long term consequences. The idea of consequences. They can't flush it out. They can't think in hypotheticals. They don't care if the police are gonna arrest them if they commit a crime. So deterrence is just not useful in this situation. Deterrence is useful for all of us, but deterrence for a large and growing chunk of America is insufficient. You just eventually have to incapacitate. And incapacitation through the legal system means jail. Put these people in jail because again, if they cannot respond to a police presence, to the National Guard walking down their street and they still act this way, then you just need to remove them from society and put them in jail.
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Nick Sorter
And this is not a hit on the National Guard, by the way. It's like they are doing the extent that they are allowed to do, but
- [46:37]
Tate Brown
we're already asking so much of them already, is my point. And it's like, this is not what they signed up for. The fact that we're having to use them in this capacity, and I thank them for their service, I'M very happy and I know I've guardsmen in my family. They're great folks. But again, I just feel bad for them that they're even put in this situation because again, they signed up to defend West Virginia. They didn't sign up to deploy and deal with these Chipotle riots because the DA won't do their job because the Metro police are handcuffed effectively and now they have to come in and clean up the mess. And a lot of them are just saying, like, I'm not going to to die for a $12 burrito bowl. It's not going to happen.
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Nick Sorter
Is there a realistic alternative here that doesn't just head us into the trajectory of. It has to be as bad as El Salvador was before. We have to take some drastic corrective measures under the guise of one leader with one unified vision. That is just like my policy is no more violence, no more murder at all cost.
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Tate Brown
Well, there is, there's one way is mass deportations and mass incarceration.
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Nick Sorter
So again, we're not getting them. We're not. Wish we did.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, I know. So it's like, you know, until we remedy that, you know, and I think, I think the Trump admin is making progress on this. But again, we're all sitting here, I would assume that all of us are borderhawks for the most part. A lot of us are saying those numbers, we need to be like way higher. The whole rent is massive, but that's the only way out is again, this is a population problem. This isn't like a socioeconomic problem. This isn't even necessarily even a cultural problem because the majority of Americans aren't behaving this way. This is specifically ingrained in parts of our population. They just have antisocial behaviors and antisocial behaviors in a large, in many ways, or even genetic in some cases.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
So a lot of other oppressed communities have been very groomed. I mean, up in the projects where I come from, that's where the violence comes from. The kids are, they're all color, black, white, Latino, whatever. I mean, that's how the system, the welfare system has really destroyed kids.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, I mean the families. The welfare system has basically institutionalized all of those negative trends. But even in addition to that, I mean, you don't see this happening at Chipotle's in Appalachia. And Appalachia has the same poverty rates, the same single parenthood rates to some degree. You have a lot of the same systemic issues, but you don't see this just mass disorder in Appalachia you don't see it on Native American reservations, which are like the poorest in the country in the first world, by and large. But we do see it in the black community all the time. And at a certain point, Americans need to thaw out this liberal consensus that came out of the 1960s, the civil rights consensus, and just say we have a problem and it's not based out of hatred. No one here hates black people for being. That's ridiculous. We're just saying, again, we're noticing a pattern here. There's nothing wrong with, like, noticing a pattern.
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Nick Sorter
Yep. And I think that is the biggest issue that I believe. Like my parents generation, for example. Like, my dad was born in the 60s. Right. And my. He's not exactly a politically correct person. But, you know, the way that he was raised and the way that the generation after that was raised, like Gen X or whatever it is, at that point, they're all told that, you know, you can't talk about race anymore. You're not allowed to talk about where the. You can't focus in on where the actual problem is. And if we can do my map again here, I'll just show you. They're all coming from the same spot. So into this. Here's your Chipotle. Here's the metro station. Here again is the capital. They come from over here. All they do, they just ride this line straight down here from this much this area that. That needs some community leader to come up and be like, look, guys, we are the problem in this city. I'm Kiana, and I leveled up my business with Shopify.
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Nick Sorter
on ourselves and Stop. Stop sending them over into the areas that would otherwise be. Yeah, I'm just being honest.
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Tate Brown
No, it's true. And it's like, this is. My point is like the post racialism has just failed. Because again, this isn't to say that we should have racial. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the idea of like, like colorblind, everyone needs to be colorblind or whatever, it just isn't sufficient. Because what ends up happening is what we see in the UK where they put out these PSAs, these anti, like, rape PSAs, and they say, like, there's this huge problem. All the people in those ads are white. And it's like, ask any British woman under 35 who's giving them problems on a daily basis. It's like Pakistanis, et cetera, et cetera. So it's like that is the natural conclusion of this. Like just pretending that this is not a factor whatsoever. And anyone at any moment could like, spurg out and destroy Chipotle. It's like, no, you're wrong. You're gonna get us killed.
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Ian Crossland
I got the question then because you asked earlier, Chris, like, what's the. How do we get out of this without reverting to like El Salvador level troubles and hardcore crackdown? And Tate said deportations. I thought pre crime. If we step up our digital pre crime software and we start spying on people so that we will just. We'll know ahead of time if they're likely to commit it, we'll have eyes on them and then we'll bust them before they commit the crime. Would it be then reasonable to say, okay, black people are committing the crime in that area. I'm gonna now track all the black people in that area?
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Tate Brown
No, but that's what predictive policing is.
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Nick Sorter
But how many black people are looking for in that area?
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Tate Brown
And it's like, we're not arbitrarily saying only police black neighborhoods. Cause there's exceptions. And it's like when you're talking about civil liberties, you do have to take exceptions into account here. What we're simply saying is that when you use predictive policing, you can dispatch police, have heavier police presences and zip codes that have a lot of crime. So again, you cover all. Any outliers. This isn't like a racial categorization we're talking about. You're like, you know, Brentwood, Los Angeles has a lot of black people about talk. It's quite a nice place. So again, it isn't to say like every black neighbor, like, that's just crazy. And it's like, that would be racist. But what we're saying is utilizing predictive policing, like you're talking about pre crime. These are areas that we know reliably have a lot of crime. You can send the police in there.
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Ian Crossland
Would it be ethical to track Everybody in an 8 block radius no matter who you are, if it was you just happened to live there? Government's got eyes on you now too. Cause you live in proximity to the gangs or whatever.
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Tate Brown
Well, I mean, they effectively do that. I mean, that's already what they do. Cause there are some cities and some jurisdictions that do utilize predictive policing. And it's like, okay, if you choose to live in neighborhood with a lot of crime, you should expect a higher police presence. And like if that negatively impacts you, Sorry, that's just the reality of your neighborhood. And I mean, it is what it is.
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Nick Sorter
But in Washington in particular, when they have some like there's a carjacking or something and I get alert saying that there's a carjacking, they don't tell you that, oh, it's a black male teenager. They don't say that. It's just, it's a male teenager. It's like, okay, well, narrows it down to give me some sort of. Give me more detail. You have more details and you're withholding it from me because you don't want me to racially profile other black teenagers in the city. So we gotta get real on this stuff and not be like, oh, we're gonna hurt everybody's feelings.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Oh, that's gonna suck. This is serious, that's for sure.
- [53:58]
Nick Sorter
Innocent lives are being lost over it.
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Tate Brown
That's what we saw. I mean, we had Stephen Edgerton on the show Friday and he was going through all these different stories about how anti racism has like failed. I mean, anti racism because they refuse to behave in a racist manner. Led to again, guys that were obviously planning to commit some sort of attack, they were able to like act upon that because the police were just terrified of being racist. And like he used the Manchester bombing for example, as I believe it was one of the security guards, he sensed something was off. But if I identify a Arab man as potentially being a terrorist, I might get hit with like an anti racism charge. Right. So the UK obviously has more systemic issues because they have hate speech laws and that sort of thing. But the US has the same problem. We just, luckily they have a few stopgaps in the way. But again, a lot of these police officers, I mean, we saw when People combed through the data after George Floyd that they actually, when you take in per capita into account, they actually shoot white offenders at a higher rate because they're so afraid of getting turned into the next high profile racial incident that they just will give these people a little bit more grace.
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Ian Crossland
For the record, I don't want a pre crime network built out like Minority Report. People are getting arrested for thinking about committing a crime. And I would rather see the civilianry armed to the teeth in Washington D.C. and, and God forbid opening fire in self defense if a gang member attacks one of them or if a group of dudes comes up and starts threatening them. I would like to see that angle taken more in these cities. I don't know, what are we waiting for? How bad does it have to get before people take it into their own hands?
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Tate Brown
It's just the unfortunate thing because it's like if that's the solution that we literally have to arm everyone to the teeth, that indicates something's really wrong. Because that's what you would see in a war. A war like civilization, which is what we don't want. You can just use the police. Because Washington D.C. didn't have this problem 60, 70 years ago. New York didn't have this problem. Boston, you name any major city in the US didn't have this problem 60, 70, 80 years ago. And I doubt that it was because everyone knew everyone was armed. It was just we had a high trust society. Like it wouldn't occur to people to destroy a private business.
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Ian Crossland
Well, you couldn't, they couldn't coordinate. Fifty years ago, they didn't have Facebook groups together without phone.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
They loved America, what America stood for. I mean, I'm 65. I mean, I'm telling you guys, we loved America. We were. The other thing that they have stopped teaching is, is what civics is. They've taken civics out of education. They're teaching social, these social kind of pieces in and, and they've cut back on, you know, math and English and all these kind of, you know, that's what kids need. You need to learn how to write, read and do arithmetic and those basics. And sorry, you know, cursive is really a good thing for kids to learn. So sorry. I mean those kinds of things taken out of a kid's life and really civics, I mean, knowing the real history, they started teaching kids like, and I know this because of my own kids, they're. The baby is 40, my baby's 40, the oldest is 48. So my grandkids, right. 17. These kids don't learn the civic. They've been learning. Like, they started learning, like, all these weird kind of not history. They weren't true history things, you know, like, they started putting in all these kinds of. Of ideology and pieces. Active, you know, activists, teachers. Teachers are being trained to not do those arithmetic, English, you know, studies. They're being taught to teach them other things. You know, we lost. I remember consumer's ed was a great thing growing up. You. You taught a kid how to balance a checkbook. Yeah, okay. Like, those are consumer ed. Like, those kinds of things that's out the door. Trade schools. We. We. They stopped trade schools. I had a fence, but my husband and I had a fence business for 50 years. We couldn't find a kid to learn a fence. You could make a good living at. At trades. And those are things that these. These kids you're seeing doing this kind of stuff. I bet they got. I got. I bet they got talent.
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Nick Sorter
You know, it sounds like you can blame the teachers unions for a lot of that stuff.
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Tate Brown
You hit on one of them.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yeah, that's true.
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Tate Brown
But did hit on one of my pet issues, which is cursive. I mean, the fact that, like, no one can redirect cursive anymore is a huge problem for a variety of reasons. My mom drilled. And I was in the era that, like, they stopped teaching cursive to. But my mom drilled it into me. She's like, you need to be able to read your grandmother's letters. And then, in addition to this, this is a fascinating anecdote is I was at the. I was at the National Archives, and I was looking. They have the whole, you know, rotunda with their founding documents. And I was overhearing within earshot, a school group. None of them could read the document. And I was like, that is really tragic, actually, because I can. I mean, I'm not gonna pretend that it's like, the most clear cursive in the world, but, like, I can, like, read and make out what they're saying. There's a few words. I'm like, ooh, I don't know. But. But the fact that, like, cursive. That's one of my pet issues, is that cursive is not taught anymore. It's really sad.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Well, you just brought up the fact the unions. But all of this was this change of society, the infiltration back to what I do in this organization. In 1946, there were a group of people, entrepreneurs, Sears and Roebuck. You guys don't remember Sears and Roebuck, but Sears And Roebuck was the first catalog department store that ever started in this country. These were entrepreneurs, these were guys, guys, these were military guys, writers, I mean very, very, very talented Americans, soldiers, whatever. And all they were trying to do was tell the American people. Because there was over a thousand card carrying groups in this country before the Cold War. Communists. And that's another thing you guys got to understand in history. This, this has been an infiltration since probably the 30s actually, because we had a publishing company in 1938 and we were trying to write books like, you know, Thomas Jefferson, the Forgotten man and all these kinds of, just to keep this Americanism, it's called American exceptionalism. And that's what we're missing today, American exceptionalism. Just think about that. We are an exceptionalism people. We really are American. American spirit. And all these enemies, all these things that have you seen? You guys, I've seen this. I know the infiltration, I know the change. I've seen the changes over my years growing up. And I see, and I see that it's all they've been doing. All our enemies, Communism, Islamism, radical cartels, you know, Mafia. I, I knew, I went to school with girls that were mafia. They were a Catholic school. I went to all girl Catholic high school. I went to all girl Catholic school all my life and all girl. And the girls that were there in my Catholic high school, they were mafia. Their fathers were a mob. So I, I know that whole generation of, of what? And they were Americans. They loved this country, okay. And they loved God. But they were mafia. They had.
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Nick Sorter
Well, I bet they were rioting at.
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Ian Crossland
Right, exactly.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
They weren't taking over the cult way. And they never hurt women and they never hurt children. And until the next generations came along in their, in their crime entity, whatever, it changed. Yeah, well, cocaine, prostitute, all these, you know, human trafficking, all these things started to change and society changed. And so it's all a part of the. So from 1946, why I'm telling you this, it's all become to this point right now.
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Ian Crossland
So was it.
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
Is it in the 70s, post Vietnam, Nixon put. Taking us off the gold standard.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Cause American exception was another thing that happened with us. So 1913, okay, we got a new brochure we had in America's future. They put out a brochure in the 90s called New World Order. In the 90s, okay. And it had a time frame on of all of how new. That's. People used to say New World Order, that's a conspiracy. Well, these guys were writing about New World Order. They already knew about it. And that's exactly right about the 70s, like these. And the 70s was great music by the way. Had the best music, I think.
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Nick Sorter
Oh certainly, yeah.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Clean fun, just really good music. And then that changed.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, well, but and the thing is too, I mean we're talking about like the erosion of American values, Americanism broadly declining. And I think the primary attributing factor for that is the just massive demographic overhaul of the United States. Where you look at New York City and it's like what would be the most obvious change in New York city from today versus the 1960s? Well, the people are different. The people were swapped out. This is why the White House was talking about replacement migration. They were specifically addressing replacement migration. They were saying this is what's ultimately harming the fabrics of our society, therefore we should pursue re migration. So this is like not some kook, this is like White House State Department policy. And it's true because it's like what is the number one thing that's changed over the last couple decades? The people. The people will change. There's been a massive demographic overhaul and this is still true to this day where if you look for indicators of American values, so to speak, you will see that again if they have cross tabs, you can look into this. You'll see in white populations with white children, white gen zers, you will see they'll ask you what percentage or do you support George Washington? And then within white Zoomers that's like 70, 80%. Even among like liberal ones they're still like, yeah, well I like George Washington. And then that completely falls apart when you look at the other groups. Same thing with, you know, do you stand for the national anthem? Like very simple, like indicators of American values. So you have to ask yourself when we're talking about all these changes, what is the primary thing that changed? There was a replacement migration.
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Ian Crossland
Also the national debt, if you look at the scale, it's like 10x in the last 20 years it went from 7 trillion to 40 trillion. So like the people's have like the American dream. We were living off the back of extraction of.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
We just started.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, no gold backing. Like I gave up on Americanism in the war in Iraq. When we went 2007 I lost my George.
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Nick Sorter
Well that's where you lost it.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah. 2006 is when I started making YouTube videos specifically to tell George Bush a lot of things. And you can watch them all on YouTube under my Crossmack channel. But that was when I just was like this Whole fake. They told me about fiat currency. I learned about. Oh, we've been extracting wealth through corporatism from corporate. That's where I lost the love for America. I still love the ethos of the founding Fathers, but, dear God, we've been hijacked by corporations, Swiss banks, basically, since the early 1900s.
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Tate Brown
I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I definitely believe that's in your instance. But like, national debt. Like, for example, Japan's national debt is like 250% of their GDP. So, I mean, Japan doesn't have any problems with, like, civic understandings. Like, this is a very civil country. They don't have Chipotle freakouts. And. And by and large, the population still maintains a lot of those Japanese values. So even if they have concerns over the debt, which they do, certainly because their bond market's melting down right now, I don't think that's led to an erosion of Japanese values. But what would be the one thing that would erode Japanese values right away? If you started importing people, even if they were American, even if you imported Americans, like, it would change, fundamentally change Japan, you would see an erosion of Japanese values because, again, you're just talking about demographic change. This isn't like an attack on people. That's why I say, even if you brought in, like, in America, even if you brought in a ton of Germans, you know, everyone would be like, oh, I got a German next door. No one's ever like, oh, no, some Germans would be next door. But if you brought in a lot of Germans at high volume, that would. They probably wouldn't have American values. It would change. It would change the nature.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
I don't know. Well, the Germans, I disagree with that because I grew up with the Irish, the Italians, the Portuguese. I mean, we all loved our culture. We loved who we were, who we came from. We had our own communities, we had our own churches, Catholic churches. We had our own ways of doing our. Raising our children, everything. And so I don't, you know, it worked then. Well, I mean, Ellis island outside influences began to change people and generational, you know, changes, meaning the education system, the public school education system. Okay, that's another thing that we used to do. They had committees. This organization had committees in every university, every school that would evaluate school books.
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Tate Brown
But even with like the Ellis island wave of migration, like we still had a fundamental change to like the way American was. I mean, that's why you saw like a massive rise in American nativism, so to speak, was because even with groups that were pretty approximate to America, like Germans, like Irish, like Italians, it was still different and it still changed the country forever. I mean, this is why people point to like the decline of the WASP core was like it started then and it worked like they assimilated very well. I mean, obviously at this point, I mean there's really no distinction between like an Italian and an English descended person. But I'm just simply making the point that like any group coming into the United States at high volume will change the country. But if they're from like Somalia, then it's going to change. Change it for the worse. Much worse.
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Ian Crossland
The difference now between when you were, what you were talking about when you were growing up is that you get Italians, Jews, whoever, all these different enclaves. But with the Internet, it's kind of like a culture preserver. You can, if we went to Japan and we wanted to start America town, we have the Internet, we could build it and it would never become Japanimized. We, like, we would be ultimate we can create America from within with the Internet. So you're seeing that here.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, immigrants now, they'll. They'll keep up with, like, their native country's news publications. They speak with family all the time. They're repatriating money. They send money back home all the time. So, yeah, I mean, the Internet has effectively made assimilation almost impossible unless the key here. So if it's at very low volume. We had Jeremy Carl on the show, and he made this point. He's like, I know Indian guys that are just like, very obviously American, but what's the commonality? Well, they grew up in eastern Oregon, or they grew up in rural Texas, or they grew up in rural Kentucky, places where they would be surrounded by Americans. And so they couldn't form that ethnic enclave. The problem comes when they come en masse and volume and then set up ethnic enclaves to your point, then you can develop community around that.
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Nick Sorter
And then they have no incentive to assimilate at that point. What would be your incentive? And you're talking about bringing in Germans and such. The Germans have been successfully psyoped into hating themselves and hating their culture and hating anything that they've ever been as Germans because they just call it Nazism. Right. And so those people, fundamentally, you bring them into our country, bring in probably the majority of them over there in Germany right now, and they're not going to assimilate with traditional American values. They're going to push straight left because that's what they're taught. That is their way of, I guess, what's it paying back for the sins of their grandparents back in World War II. And I think I've said this. I think I probably even said this on the last show that we had. I think that has been the most successful psyop of all time, is what they did in Germany. And they want the rest of us to feel guilty about being American and in our past as well.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
They want to dilute the American exceptionalism. That's why they opened the borders during the last four minutes, the last president they opened the borders to. They have to dilute this American spirit. So there's not a lot of us left. My opinion, it took 3% for Washington's. The when George Washington fought for this country, it was only 3% that came and fought by his side. And by the way, is only going to be my. My opinion, it's only going to be 3% that will do. It's a bigger one because we have more people. Yeah, there's only going to be 3% that are going to fight for this country. And German Americans, Italian Americans, Irish Americans, French Americans, they will fight for this country if they. And they love this country. And I know them. You know, there's. They. They. When. Because they came from areas that were not good. They wanted this dream and they want their children to have this dream. That's what I want. That's why I fight. Because I want my grandchildren. I want to die handing over the torch of America, freedom to my grandchildren. I want them to have what I had. What you had. What you have. What country can you go protest like they're protesting out on the streets today? You can't go to a country. You can't antifa. Black Lives Matter. You can't go to any other country and do that. You can do it here.
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Nick Sorter
Well, they arrested a bunch of people at the Unite the Kingdom party.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
You have to. But you can't do that in other countries. You can't do that.
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Ian Crossland
Along with what you're saying about the 3% of Americans that fought alongside George Washington, they also had the French, which I think. I think kind of get thrown under the rug a little bit. But the French probably covered 90% of the cost of the revolution. Like they bankrupted their kingdom to win, to disempower the English. So if we had to establish another worldwide revolution and only 3% of us were willing, like a digital revolution or something, we would need help from outside. We couldn't do it. We need people around the world that believe in the American values, that want to instantiate that on the Internet, that are willing to throw down their arms
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
and, well, look what's happening around the world. Look at Tommy Robinson over there. There. Look at what's happening. I know this. I talk to people all over the world. The nations are looking to America right now to see what we're going to do. They are. Every single nation has had a corrupt leader, okay? Dictator or prime minister or king or whatever. They're. They're all sick of it. That's why you see, you know, El Sorrow, you see certain things changing. But they're all looking to America because they. And we should have been spreading our beautiful country values, our principles, what they founded this with. We should have been spreading that to the world. Instead of wars that we've had all these stupid wars we've been involved with and we didn't do the right thing. That's what I believe God wanted us to do when he gave us this country. He wanted us to share it with the rest of the world.
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Nick Sorter
I Don't know about sharing in terms of like making Venezuela the 51st state though. I'm not going to be totally. I'm totally kidding.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
You know, everybody be free. Everybody, everybody have freedom. Real freedom.
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Ian Crossland
Self governance. It's a tough sell for like the King of England. He doesn't want it because he'll lose his job.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Exactly. They'll lose their wealth too.
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Ian Crossland
But self governance, I thought so too. In 2000, 2001, I was like, oh, we won America. Now everyone's going to want to be America. United States is at the top of every drop down list. Even though it's alphabetical.
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Nick Sorter
We did it.
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Ian Crossland
Everyone speaks English, you know, that's the language of commerce, they call it. And then the stupid war in Iraq pissed everybody off.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Oh, it was awful. It was awful. It was an absolute awful.
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Ian Crossland
They did it to control the Suez. I understand. They want control of the region so that they can dominate trade, but like at what cost? Pissing people off.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Since Bush won and he was the CIA director, you could look at this, look this stuff up. This guy changed the CIA. I mean this thing's changed. These guys have been working together towards a whole. Even the Vatican and I know that have been working together for a global kind of. Everybody's the same global world.
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Nick Sorter
It gives them more control that way.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
I mean, of course.
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Nick Sorter
And it's working. Look at these things. Like the, and I know the people in the chat, you know, the select few that are calling me racist, saying that I just don't like brown people. I want to deport, you know, like a healthy portion of white women as well. So this is not a race thing. I'm just being totally honest with you.
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Tate Brown
You.
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Nick Sorter
But, but that there is a cancer, A, A mental cancer that is spreading. Where you look up in New York City right now. Who is the biggest hero in New York City?
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Ian Crossland
Kevin o'. Leary.
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Nick Sorter
Kevin o'. Leary. He's up there at the top. He's up there at the top. Oh, hell. That's a hell of a topic right there with the most controversial thing about him with me right now is the fact he wears a suit with flip flops. Like that is a no go but ago. But look at.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
We used to do that growing up.
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Nick Sorter
Oh, geez.
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Ian Crossland
I was doing this.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
All the surfers did that.
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Nick Sorter
A suit.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Oh yeah. With flip flops. Oh yeah.
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Nick Sorter
Hell of a time to.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Some didn't even wear shoes.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, I did this show barefoot about 400 times. Tim's mom was like, tell him to put some shoes on, bro.
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Nick Sorter
Luigi Manion apparently we still got to talk about this, this stuff, apparently. And I, I am genuinely afraid at this point that this guy is going to actually be acquitted because they've made him into a, a folk hero. And I think that that is going to unleash an avalanche of really, really negative effects. There are a lot of us that can't even, you know, really can't just walk around in public anymore because you're worried about, okay, if there's no repercussions for people that are assassinating you in the street, they're going to try to get the Tyler Robinson guy off in Utah out there. They're working really hard at that. And now you've got these people right here. This is incredible to me. These have been credentialed by the city of New York. These reporters, quote, unquote, use that word very lightly where they are celebrating the assassination. They're wearing their press badges out here celebrating the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO. And you don't have to lie like the United Healthcare CEO, but you also don't have to go out there and cheer on extra judicial killings in the middle of the road wearing your press badges that I guess were erroneously given to you. I don't see you as a member of the press if you are cheering this stuff on. And they're clearly not worried about their press credentials being revoked. And some of the stuff that they were saying when they were interviewed about it is wild. F. Brian Thompson, who was a CEO. So that's all I want to say. F. Brian Thompson, F his mom. His children are better off without him. They need to learn not to be like their dad and enjoy the blood money. Kids. He's responsible for more deaths than Osama bin Laden. I mean, you've got to be joking. These people are openly members of the quote, unquote press are now celebrating cold blooded murder in the middle of the street. Street.
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Ian Crossland
You said quote, unquote press. Why? Who are these people?
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Nick Sorter
Well, they have press badges, they have city issued press. These are issued by the issue.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Doesn't make them.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah, like where do they come from? I don't recognize them.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
You know, so I mean anybody that celebrates somebody killing somebody is absolutely insane. And it's like, should be looked into. Like they did it to the President, United States. Now, mind you, I don't care how you feel about Trump, but still you, it's the President, it's the office, it's like the President, it's a president of our country. Like, you don't wish people dead. You just don't do that. It's just like in war. It's just awful.
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Ian Crossland
In war, you would celebrate your soldiers killing the enemy. You know, that's real. But this isn't war. This is civilian life.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
This is just nasty.
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Ian Crossland
And these girls, a little anecdote. They're wearing makeup and celebrating. Like, they had to put on their makeup to celebrate a guy.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
A lot of mental illness.
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Nick Sorter
You got to wear this costume.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
A lot of mental illness.
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Tate Brown
That's why, I mean, this is like. Well, one. I mean, to get a press badge in New York City, I know anecdotally, you only need to cover five events and then give you a badge. So it's like you can literally just film with your phone. As long as you film five incidents, get a press badge. So, but in addition to this, actually, I'm not really surprised that they celebrated Trump, Kirk, et cetera, because to your point, think about when Osama bin Laden was killed. The entire country celebrated. No one. Well, some people, but the majority of people didn't have this. Like, should we be celebrating this? No. He terrorized us. He was our enemy. Me and he was dead. And we celebrated it. And I don't feel bad about it. I don't know if anyone. This table feels bad. I saw the video at the Red Sox game, and they all got up and clapped. I was like, let's go. Granted, I was like nine. But anyway, these people view themselves in an existential war against the right. Against. Yeah, that's true classical America. So again, when our guys die, they view that the same way that when we killed Osama bin Laden, we celebrated. That's how they felt when Charlie Kirk died. Because they hate us so much. They view us as. As belligerence and a war. Again, these people aren't equipped for war. Obviously, you can just look at them. But they know that they have mechanisms, institutions that are fighting this war for them. So when Charlie Kirk died, when Donald Trump got shot at, they celebrated like, Osama bin Laden was killed. And it makes total sense. So it's like, I'm not even surprised whatsoever, because that's just the situation that we're in.
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Nick Sorter
Well, look at out in Minneapolis, where a lot of us have been on the ground, reporters have been attacked. Conservative on the ground reporters have been routinely attacked in places like Portland, Minneapolis, hell, even New York. And the DA's out there will openly tell us that they will just not. It's pointless for them to charge our attacker. Savannah Hernandez was pretty brutally attacked. The Turning Point USA reporter out there, what, four or five weeks ago, specifically because she was a reporter for Turning Point usa. It was on camera. They were bragging about it. They were celebrating the fact that they had just physically attacked her in the street. And it took the feds to get involved because the local DA was like, no, there's no point in us charging them because the jury is just going to nullify. And that is what's being instilled in the modern left is they are being coached into not having to convince even if somebody is genuinely obviously guilty. They are being taught by these Soros funded. It's not even just Soros. It's like, you name it, there's so many of them left.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
It's a machine, by the way.
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Nick Sorter
Exactly. It is a machine. And unfortunately, it's effective.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
It's working, of course. Well, that's why the conservative, like an organization like mine, we don't have any funds to do the work we do. They have a ton of money, okay? They have a ton of money. And the conservative groups. I've been at this for five years now. I took this over five years ago and my brother went around this country and thanked the American. But I watched conservative groups and I watched people that are American groups, America big. They, they, they don't have the strategy the left has. They, they, they, they give out a message and every soldier follows every single. That's every talking point they follow, they're gone. You know, they do it. Conservatives, they're fighting over resources. They're fighting over, don't look at my stuff. I don't want you to have this donor. It's unbelievably ridiculous.
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Nick Sorter
We're spending our time arguing over Thomas Massie versus some warm body there in Kenya. We're spending tens of millions of dollars doing it. And you know, you may not like to hear this, but they're effective at it. They are very good. These people are amazing at organizing. They go out in the street and they knew that they were using Renee Good out there in Minneapolis as a sacrificial lamb. They knew exactly what was going to happen. When you, you know, try to force yourself into the middle of an active.
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Tate Brown
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Ian Crossland
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Tate Brown
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Nick Sorter
Sprite topped with cold foam. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire six, all new drinks are here.
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Ian Crossland
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Tate Brown
Refreshers contain caffeine.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Wave to Earth the Pieces. Tour live across North America. Get tickets Thursday@live nation.com raid what happens
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Nick Sorter
when you try to run over a federal agent?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Oh, look at what's gonna happen.
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Nick Sorter
You're gonna get shot. And then they had to sacrifice somebody because that changed the entire game. That's why I'm saying that they won out there. Because what happened now, now we are too afraid to make headlines every once in a while with, with Ice Ra. What happens when you're too afraid to go out there and make headlines? People are less afraid. Illegals are less afraid to leave the country. What is the incentive to self deport at this point? Is there any? Because if you're only sweeping up the worst of the worst, and keep in mind you're not really the worst of the worst until you murder or rape somebody, then why would you leave? You're being told that you're allowed to stay.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yeah, you just go hide and go get some more money. And they're funding these people, they're giving them money, money, you know, I mean look at all the taxpayer money that's been given to these people.
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Ian Crossland
Like we talked about re migration on the Friday episode that Tate was hosting. And generally that's a tactic that an aggressive, like if you conquer land, you'll take the population and you'll send them off on trains out of your country. You get them out of there. Deport, forcefully deport, remigrate these people. It's been happening for tens of thousands of years. It's a way to, you know, punishment or what you do with those that have, have not been enslaved. But how aggressive. Would you guys like to see the remigration efforts right now? How forceful?
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Nick Sorter
I want the military out there in the States.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Oh, I do too. I want the military out there. Let me tell you something. I know this campaign. Donald Trump got elected. You know what he got elected for? He got elected for accountability. Americans want accountability. They want arrests. Listen, my brother was persecuted. He was persecuted by the government. A third a three star general that what they put my family through. You don't think we want accountability to these people? We want this Russia gate, all this stuff. They targeted my family, targeted my brother. This is disgusting what they've done and we cannot. Americans want accountability. They demand it. And that's why Bondi was having such a hard time, because things weren't, you know, when he got in and the American people, they went and voted, they got him in. To me, it's the American people that did that for Donald Trump, for President Trump. It wasn't. I know, donors and all that, but it's really, really. The President needs to understand that he owes the American people the total focus. Of what? Of what. Because his job, you know what his job is? His job is to protect the American people at all costs. Costs Americans. So we don't have a lot of Americans in this country that are Americans, right? We have all these illegals, they. Thousands and thousands, by the way, they lost 500,000 children, by the way, from the border that we still don't deal with.
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Nick Sorter
And they've been telling us for. Hell, I haven't even been alive for as long as they've been telling us that there are 20 million illegals in the country. So you're going to tell me now the number is still 20 million for over the past, past 30 years.
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Tate Brown
It's death, taxes. Iran's a year away from a nuclear bomb, and there's 20 million illegals in the country.
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Nick Sorter
And I mean, I'm sure you're going to get myself in trouble talking about this, but, I mean, you, you're, you're very intelligent.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
The American people that need to be. The American people need some tender love, okay, by this administration, by, by any administrator, by any politician that's elected, okay? They all need. They don't even take their oath seriously anymore, okay? These guys don't even take their oaths. I don't care if he's a good guy or a bad guy or whatever. Take those oaths seriously. We don't even have that anymore in this country. And it's a career to be a politician. Like, who wants to be a politician for 30 years, 40 years? Look at these. Look at the guy. He's like half dead.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah. McConnell.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
McConnell.
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Tate Brown
I mean, I was thinking of half, like half.
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Nick Sorter
Me, too. I know. Who could we be talking about? A lot of people.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
I mean, I just see him and I'm like, how does that happen?
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Tate Brown
You know, it's a point of like, you know, we're talking about political capital. Where do you allocate it? And it was just completely misallocated with Iran. Again, if you're gonna expend political capital, because whether we like it or not, this is like a hard pill to swallow for conservatives. The majority of our positions are deeply unpopular with the American people. We found that out for Dobbs. I'm very pro life. I don't think people are radical enough on abortion.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Nope, they're not.
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Tate Brown
I can't acknowledge that after Dobbs that harmed us. Yeah, we had to expend political capital there and then make it up elsewhere.
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Nick Sorter
But would you rather do it on mass deportations, or would you rather do it on bombing a sand country thousands of miles away?
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Tate Brown
And that's what makes it so bizarre, because it's like, okay, I understand there's a lot of. There's a lot of problems getting these people out of the country. I mean, we saw that the Democrats turned one guy into a wedge issue. So I understand that. What I'm saying is, even if you're gonna allocate political capital elsewhere, even if you're gonna do a mass deportation, do it somewhere. That's not like spitting in the face of your base where it's like, that was the One thing in 2016, you know, beyond, like, a lot of his main things he ran on. One of the main things he ran on was, like, not just no new wars, because there's some wars that not do we have the stomach for, but we actually quite like. Like, Venezuela was like, yeah, let's go. But Middle Eastern quagmires. That is what we're getting tired of.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Absolutely.
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Tate Brown
And so this is why it's just
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
nobody wants ground troops.
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Tate Brown
That's why it's just so frustrating to see because I. And I am in this boat. There's a guy prowler on Twitter, and he's a mass deportations enthusiast, and he's done a lot of great work, like documenting how difficult ICE's job is, how difficult DHS's job is. So I fully understand that the temperament and a lot large chunks of the Trump administration right now is still on mass deportation. So I'm giving them grace. I'm just making the point that, again, if we're talking about where we're allocating political capital, if you can't get the mass deportations done, then allocate it elsewhere. Don't allocate it to another reward for the base. Spend it somewhere else. That's gonna be a reward for the base. I understand. I can have grace for that. I understand how government works. Like, it's a very complicated process, especially liberal democracies. Iran, I mean, I hate to like.
- [88:46]
Nick Sorter
I agree.
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Tate Brown
Talking about it for months.
- [88:47]
Nick Sorter
You have to have a leader that actually has will.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
That's right.
- [88:50]
Nick Sorter
You have to have the will to do it. Bukele, he had the will to do it, of a unified vision of how to reform his country. We don't have to go that extreme, obviously, but there isn't a Will, you could clean up Chicago on a Sunday if you had a leader that had the will to actually have San Francisco. If you remember when, when Xi Jinping came over, well, that was an exception. We really wanted to make it nice.
- [89:08]
Tate Brown
This is the problem is like, he
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Nick Sorter
had the will for that. That's what I'm saying. They can do that.
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Tate Brown
But this is the problem with the United States, specifically in Western democracies, by and large, is Bukele can do that because he has a 92% approval rating because 92% of El Salvador said crime is ruining my life. Now in the United States, people can identify that America's not functioning properly, but they can't actually articulate why that is what's frustrating. So even if Trump were to carry out mass deportations, it probably is like 30% approval in the country. I know we, like, cite, you know, deportations of illegals as a majority opinion. That is true. But like, conducting what is needed is going to be very unpopular, but you have to do it. And so again, it's like, I agree it's a will thing, but also, you know, we're still in a democracy. Like, it's tough to just like, go mask off. I think probably at some point he should. If we're really back to a corner,
- [89:54]
Nick Sorter
all you got to do, just if
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Tate Brown
we can get it done legally and like, when still win elections, that's way better. That's a way better situation.
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Ian Crossland
It feels like, you know, if sometimes someone, a stabbing victim will have like a metal rod stuck through their arm. You don't. If you pull the rod out, they'll bleed out and die. And that's the immigration issue right now. If we yank it out, we're gonna die. We're all gonna. It's gonna. People will use the Internet. Cause it's the Internet. Back in the 50s, you could do it. No one would know you're even doing it. Beat em up, take them out. It was horrible, but brutal and effective. But now we need to be super surgical about how we do this, if we even can do it.
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Nick Sorter
Do we have the time? I don't think we don't have the time to be surgical. That's why I'm saying, like, you know, what if you get rid of all of them and you're saying, oh, well, we got rid of some good ones. Okay. Then we can bring the good ones back.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Back.
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Nick Sorter
Okay.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
That's the way we hold them. That.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah.
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Tate Brown
And there will be, like, downstream economic benefits.
- [90:41]
Mary Flynn O'Neill
Told them that. They said that.
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Tate Brown
Well, and seeing this point I mean, yes, there will be like some labor shortages, but beyond that, there's me so many benefits for the American people if you carry this out. Like housing, like the housing stock's gonna get freed up, jobs will get freed up. Like a lot of resources that are not being allocated towards Americans will get freed up for Americans, especially young Americans. So it's just, the problem is some people are just ideologically leftist and they're gonna be.
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Nick Sorter
Explain this part to, to them.
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Tate Brown
Well, but the thing is like, some
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
people that are changed, though, some will never count on it. They're never gonna change. Yeah, what you just said is very important.
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Tate Brown
Right?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
You, they, they, they, you can tell them the whole true facts right to their face. Some people, and they have derangement syndrome, whatever, that they will not believe it, but it's not and it will never change. It's almost mind control. Honestly. These people are, I've seen it. The, it's crazy how some of these, these people are, they are the uk. You can't get them to see the truth.
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Nick Sorter
And that's when they jump to like the whole, the racist.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yes, they jump to all this other stuff and all this other crazy.
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Tate Brown
That's my point. That's, that's my point is that's why we can't actually have like a Bukele in the United States is because they're going to make it a wedge issue and then as soon as it happens, it doesn't matter how successful you are, 40% of the country, ballpark, will just hate you instinctively.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Well, there's lawsuits. They're filing lawsuits, you guys. This is what the left is doing. That's what they did. That's what they did to Trump. That's what they did to my brother. That's what they did. They filed lawsuits on you. They used the court system to file lawsuits under. And it just ties things up.
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Nick Sorter
So think about this.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
This is weaponized. It's weaponized.
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Nick Sorter
The messaging part that I'm talking about here. If we could somehow explain to young people in particular, you go to New York City now, if you went there, say six, seven years ago, look at the hotel prices back then versus what they are now. That's hotels. That's not even counting, you know, actual primary residences or any residences for that matter. You are competing, if you are trying to live in New York, you are directly competing with billions and billions of dollars of taxpayer funding subsidizing illegal housing. You are directly competing with the government and illegals on housing. So of course you're never gonna Be able to afford a house out there or a, you know, any sort of residence out there.
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Tate Brown
But the problem is you can't actually explain it to the youth because. Because the driving, the engine room of leftism is they just fundamentally hate white people. That's what it comes down to. So again, when you're trying to explain to them the benefits of mass deportion, you could put it all on a spreadsheet and show them how your life specifically will improve if we carry this out. They'll also say, I don't care. I want white people to be disenfranchised in this country full stop.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
And then they've gone that far. It's gone that far.
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Tate Brown
Yeah. So I mean, it's like you could lay it out, but this is the problem. At a certain point, you know, there's only so much bargaining you can do. At some point you just have to grasp power. You have to grasp the sort of. And be confident wielding the sword.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
I think there's a lot of people that are just. They just hate America too, and they should leave. They should go find another country and see what that's like.
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Nick Sorter
But why? I mean, they, they.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Right, because they can do it here
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Nick Sorter
and they steal our money.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Havoc here and left.
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Tate Brown
And leftists never retreat. That's the thing is leftists never retreat. They just change institutions. We've seen it in virtually every instance where it never occurred to them. When they were in the Episcopal church in the 1940s and it was quite conservative, it didn't occur to them that say, maybe I should just find different churches, said, no, I'm gonna change this. Conservatives have the opposite approach to say, wow, this is getting bad. I gotta get out of here. This is why you're seeing again, you
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
know, people they ran.
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Tate Brown
Yeah. And I'll get granular here, like for example, because this is the way conservatives think. They think like this. So when a lot of people started moving into Texas and then Texas started to get blue, they were saying it must be these people moving from out of state because in their head, bad means they flee. Most of those people moving to Texas were Republicans. My point is, again, liberals will just stay and change the state where conservatives will leave. So that's why the conservatives. There was like a misunderstanding with what was happening when are moving out of state into Texas, because that is just the temperament where conservatives will just flee. And I can understand in certain circumstances, I know California's getting quite bad, but my point is a leftist living in Mississippi will never leave. They will just. They just Want Mississippi to change. And they will stay there and fight and they will issue lawsuits. They'll do whatever it takes. They'll fight tooth and nail to change their environment.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
They vote people in, they'll vote their guys in. That's what they do. They turn out for vote voting. Republicans do not turn out well.
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Ian Crossland
They did in 2024. That was impressive.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Well, but overall, really it was like 35% which won it. But I mean, for Trump. But it really wasn't a big turnout. But it was. It won it. I'm just saying, like it was a real, like the percentages are like small.
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Ian Crossland
I think the hive mind of leftism is because without a God to believe in you.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yeah. They don't have political process.
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Ian Crossland
They don't believe in your political. But I will, I do believe. Do you disagree with what you said that the engine room of leftism is the hatred of whites? I think that's the critical race theory aspect. It's like on top of just that the leftist mentality is to hate the classes above you, whatever that might be at the time, Whether it's the bankers or the geriatric old people with all the money or the white people or the black people, whoever has control of the society. It's the class warfare that's really, really the heart of leftism.
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Tate Brown
But I don't know if that's true because, I mean, like a good case study would be South Africa, for example, is their main gripe in South Africa. Like the black nationalists, which are like increasingly large share of their country. Their main problem isn't billionaires. Their main problem is white billionaires. They believe that white billionaires are the ones extracting prosperity from South Africa, et cetera, et cetera. You can move that to the United States. If you're a black billionaire, you're celebrating your parade around. It's like, fair enough. I mean, we probably should be celebrating successful people. So I'm not like, that's not a knock on them. But again, white billionaires, this guy, Brian Thompson, he deserves to die. Why, if it was a black CEO, would they do that?
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Ian Crossland
The reason why leftism fails, because if the white people were removed from power in society, the leftism would rear its ugly head and aim it at another class of person.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
It doesn't always find a. It would always find something to go at. They are told to do that too, by the way. The next thing, look at the transit. Look at where it came with kids, all the way to changing children's gender.
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Tate Brown
But ultimately they'll still shadow box against white people. Like you saw it in Zimbabwe, for example. So it used to be Rhodesia became Zimbabwe. They kicked all the whites out. There's like no whites left in Zimbabwe. Robert Mugabe, until his last breath was still saying there's some shadowy cabal of white people still like ruining Zimbabwe. And that was the problem. And we haven't fully decolonized. That's what the term decolonization comes from. That's an anti white slur that they use. Because again, Robert Mugabe's contention in Zimbabwe when the was like, like a thousand whites left, was that they were still the problem. So it didn't matter, like how bad things got around them. The majority of Zimbabweans eventually got rid of them. But it's still the same like driving force, which is. No, the problem isn't the elite. The problem is the composition of the elite. And they want to change the composition of.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yeah, but it's also black on black wars going on there. I mean, I just came back from South Africa and I witnessed it and Johannesburg was a beautiful, beautiful place at one time.
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Tate Brown
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Ian Crossland
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
for healing, learn more and sign the pledge@workingwithcancerpledge.com and it's all Somalian and it's absolutely destroyed and there's children. It's just. It's horrible to watch this, but it is a lot. Black on black.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, but like all over Africa. Yeah, no, it's true. I mean, I was there fairly recently. And one thing you'll notice is that, man, they go out of their way, out of all the problems going on. Like Pretoria, for example. I was in Pretoria. Fantastic city.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yeah. But gated.
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Tate Brown
Yeah. You can tell it has the bones of a beautiful city.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
They're not safe.
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Tate Brown
But what's interesting is like, what you'll see when it comes to decolonization is what do they expend all their time on renaming streets from Afrikaans, Dutch to some African name. Rename the city of Pretoria to Shashuan.
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Nick Sorter
Well, because I don't.
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Tate Brown
They're shadow boxing against people that aren't the problem.
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Nick Sorter
I mean, I know that If I'm on Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard, I'm in the wrong part of town and I need to turn around. So, I mean, I. I at least appreciate that part of it, but, you know, it's just, again, just tired of pretending that we can't be talking about the racial differences, the cultural differences, all of this stuff here. And I'm glad it's being renormalized and even the older generation is starting to grasp it. You've still got a lot of, we'll say, boomers and the silent generation and maybe boomers, the older folks, they're refusing to. To open their eyes to a lot of different things. And another thing that they are having trouble opening their eyes for is what is going on in the state of Kentucky right now with this. In Kentucky's 4th congressional district is now the most expensive congressional race in American history. The most expensive primary. Congressional primary in history. Yeah, in United States history.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
United States history.
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Nick Sorter
We are now at $33 million spent just in the Republican primary. And that doesn't count what's being spent over the next, you know, 12 hours or so. These are numbers from a few days ago. You've got about 50% more being spent, either pro Golrain or anti Massey, about $16 million. And then Massey. About $10 million been spent pro Massey, anti Gahlran. I mean, just, just wild numbers. And for what?
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Ian Crossland
To try and oust the guy that Donald Trump's trying to oust, the guy that's been trying to stop him. Actually, Massie's going hard on Epstein. I think that's the big problem, because I think Trump has the Epstein. A lot of Epstein files, and he's using them to blackmail the Deep State right now. And he's like, I can't say it out loud.
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Nick Sorter
Stop this guy. Make him stop.
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Ian Crossland
We have the files now.
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Tate Brown
Stop.
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Ian Crossland
And I wish, Tom, you would kind of ease off the gas on the Epstein stuff because you're the best congressman we got. And vote Massey tomorrow.
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Nick Sorter
Vote.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Vote.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah. Well, I mean, let's, let's, let's look at this. Let's look. Who is funding this stuff. I've got the numbers right here in front of me. There's a. There's a lot of. You have the AIPAC plus the Republican Jewish Coalition Victory Fund. You combine the two of them and you're pushing $10 million just between them. Anti Massey ads.
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Ian Crossland
He's getting. Who is it? The Jewish.
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Nick Sorter
Republican. Jewish Coalition.
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Ian Crossland
Jewish Coalition, yeah. I think they've got the Epstein stuff, these guys. This is like a Mossad thing, that Epstein stuff. Stuff.
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Nick Sorter
And that should be concern Whatever you think about Massie, like, is it not concerning to think that. Okay, well, we're basically allowing people that have interests that aren't, you know, America first to buy a seat in Kentucky. Is that not concerning?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Very sad. I mean, it's unbelievable. It's just. I mean, you. I just came back from Dallas, and Dallas, all my. You should see Dallas Republicans, they are so divided. It's unbelievable. I mean, we lose Dallas, we lose the country, but we lose Texas. Excuse me. We lose Texas, we lose the country.
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Nick Sorter
I think we surrendered Dallas to what, Mumbai?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Well, everybody goes down there. Yeah. To raise. You want to raise money, you go to Dallas. It doesn't matter. Kentucky, where you come from, you go to Dallas. You raise money from anywhere, go to Dallas.
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Ian Crossland
I got mixed feelings on taking foreign money for campaigning, or at least foreign out of your state. I'll even call that foreign money because it's not your. I'm not in Kentucky right now, and Massie's not my congressman, but I'm campaigning for him, literally right now. When I tell you, go vote for Thomas Massie, that's a campaign thing. I didn't get paid for it, but if it would cost a lot of money for someone to buy this seat right now to be able to say to you what they want to say. People could offer Tim $50,000. He might still say no. This is a. So money. It's like, what does money buy? It buys you publicity.
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Nick Sorter
This.
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Ian Crossland
I already have the publicity. I don't need the money now, but I'm getting the same value. So that's where my mixed feelings are. And people throwing money at campaigns.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
And it's crazy. I ran a campaign down in Florida, and I. I ran in a simple little. This is Sarasota. Florida's got a lot of money, too, guys. I mean, I saw corruption. I was glad I ran because I saw the corruption. It opened my eyes. But I'm going to tell you something. I ran. I had 215 in my. In my election bank account. That's all I had because I was running for a school board, which is a national public health hospital down there, which is one of the biggest national public hospitals in the country, Sarasota Memorial. And they. They spent. The Democrats spent $300,000 and three packs on me. Seven thousand Democrats switched parties in the primary to vote against me. Just a little hospital board, just so I wouldn't go in there and audit.
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Nick Sorter
You want to guess?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
I was going in there to go audit.
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Nick Sorter
I'll open the table up for. Do that I'll open the table up for guesses here. What, what do you think the percentages of donors for G. Rhine in the state of Kentucky? You Want to guess? 98% in the state of Kentucky.
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Ian Crossland
I don't know. What was the exact question?
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Nick Sorter
How much money versus how much percentage of like pro Gael Rhine donations have originated in the state of Kentucky? Yeah, less than 10 for sure.
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Ian Crossland
Tate, what do you think? I said 1%.
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Tate Brown
I probably like 5, 10%.
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Nick Sorter
It's less than 1%. It's less than 1%.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Less than 1 because he's got pro Israel organizations, he's got Trump aligned PACs and major GOP mega donors.
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Nick Sorter
So 16.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
That's him.
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Nick Sorter
16 million. Yeah, you're right on the money Mary there. So about 16 million in total spending, pro gowering, anti Massey spending. 32,000 of that is from contest Kentucky.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, I don't know how.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
So one of the, one of the issues that you guys and I get this from, from the child project that I have and I know a lot of people on the ground rescuing children all over the world. I mean I've, I've, I got the best of the best to these teams and I'm going to tell you something that you got to understand the whole global picture. So, so Israel is a safe haven for pedophile. Oh many of our Congress, members of our Congress, many of them are dual citizenship and their dual citizenship is Israel. You look it up, there's a list of them. Why do people do that? First of all, when you're in Congress you should never be a dual citizenship, you should be an American. That's, that's my opinion. I, I think there's a law about that. But they got away with that. Secondly there Israel is also so being, being and I worked in the Catholic Church, I, I was a whistleblower for the Catholic Church. Understand that every single religion institute religion, not the faith. Faith, okay, is corrupt. There's two sides to Israel. In fact Israel has the Zionist, the, the dark side and the good side. The Hebrew, you know, kind of, you know, you know, practicing faith Jewish just like Catholics, just like Methodists, just like Protestants. All these systems are corrupt. There's all dark sides to them. So you're going to understand like all this stuff you're talking about. Trump's son in law is in, in, in every single one of those negotiations. You see hit, you see Jared in all those. So he is a guy that, I mean Gaza, listen, they're killing Christians over there you guys. They're kill Christians are The, this is the most persecuted time of our lives right now. In persecution of Christians. Nigeria, all these places all over the world. And by the way, Israel, I know people that are Hebrew Christians and the. The Jews that don't believe in Christ, they spit on Christians. They were brought up like that. So there's always this divide in, in culture, in religion. Okay, so I'm just saying like this Epstein stuff. You're talking about Diddy stuff. There's more, there's more Epstein's than you can imagine. Because the CIA used a lot of these guys to do a lot of they espionage. They brought blackmail, politicians. My brother used to say, 15 years ago you could go outside the country to rape a child. You don't have to do that. Fifteen years ago you could do it right here in this country. It's the biggest money maker of all criminal elements. Drugs, guns, is human trafficking. Children are the most money part of it, of the human trafficking. So they don't want to, you know, break into that. We got to cut the money off of that stuff. Epstein, Massie, those guys, the two girls, the two congressmen, was it Nancy Mace and the other one that's on that committee. They saw what's on those Epstein files. They're traumatized by that stuff. Just like the guys who saw Wieners laptop, They're traumatized. New York cops committed suicide because of that laptop. I mean these things are like the dirtiest of dirty. And like why, why the American people cannot have justice over. There's. So listen, I know victims, I know survivors. I have whistleblowers now coming out. They gotta deal with this Epstein stuff, they gotta deal with this Diddy stuff. They gotta deal with the music industry, the Hollywood stuff that's going on, you're seeing. And all of them turn skinny now. Okay, there's something you guys gotta understand. That is a club. This is an Overall. There's 13 families in charge. And I'm telling you right now, this, this Epstein stuff is not going away. It's not. Massey is right. He's right. He just wants accountability because his people in his area are down his back. And I don't blame them.
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Ian Crossland
In an ethical, sane society, we would root those people out, put them on trial.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Absolutely.
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Ian Crossland
And let the courts have their way with them. But in a world that we live in, of gruesomeness and it's like geopolitical subterfuge and war, we use evil vile things to our advantage when we can. And you'll keep it in your pocket as long as you can until you win. That's the horror of.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
You blackmail them, you get them in a position where they're with a child, whatever they're doing. I mean, this happens. This has been going on for a long time. The CIA uses this tool to do that. And that's, you know, that's what, that's what they did in Hollywood back in the day, because they had their own group going. I mean, these are psychops. These are all kinds of operations they ran. And this is what's going on with kids, is they were using children. And that's a dirty thing to do sometimes.
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Ian Crossland
Like true. Like when you read about historical warfare, sometimes you would sack the city. You let your troops rape and pillage women on purpose to instill horror and terror in. Like Genghis Khan would do it. If the people. People messed with him and they screwed him over.
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Nick Sorter
He would.
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Ian Crossland
And that was like a good tactic. So, like having this data, this Epstein stuff, it's kind of like having all that, like a fireball in your hand. I. I see why they're trying to stop Massey. I see why they don't want that out. But then there's the goodness of humanity where it's like, just do the right thing.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Well, that's right. I mean, by kids. Do the right thing with kids. I mean, I always say, you know, know if you're going to vote for. See, we got to get people out to vote. We can't give up. Look, we're in an endurance race. I'm an athlete, okay? And always, everybody always says, how do the Flynns do this? How do you guys do this? Well, we do it because we're. We're endurance athletes. That's what we were taught as kids, to endure. Because they're trying to exhaust people. So you back off and you just give up. That's their tactic, is to exhaust. Trust people to back out and say, I give up.
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Ian Crossland
My question is, if, if the Epstein files came out, Trump was like, fine, fine, just let them all out. And then Lex Wessner, for instance, well,
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
he already wrote an executive order to do it. He's got an executive order to release the files.
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Nick Sorter
There was been a law passed.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
No, that's right.
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Ian Crossland
I mean, and it's still not out. Which is like, whoa, there's a reason. But if it came out and all these billionaire foreign princes and things saw it and they're like, what did you. You just betrayed me, Trump. Fine, you're out. The Republican Party, you're out. We're going with the Democrats. We're going back to the status quo. Like that's my concern. If it comes out the big global cabal that's now working alongside Trump, it would, would just toss him out. And they got him, they got him as a shield right now because his base believes him.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
I think he's a good guy. I think he, I mean, I, I've met him, I've been around him. I, I just think that he, he's got to be tougher with this. And by the way, he's got some people around him that are not giving him the right advice or giving him the right information. Cuz that happened in 2016. That's why they, that's why they did what they did to him, because they were bad people around. Even Republicans. Look, both sides have gotten us to the point we are at right now in this country. I blame Republicans and Democrats. I actually blame Republicans more because they're supposed to be Christian values and they're the worst ones. The Christians can be the worst of the worst because the hypocrisy is gross. So I mean, the other ones, they don't believe in God. So like, you know, but we have a conscience. Christians believe in a set of values and we believe that certain things are going to happen if we, if we hurt people or murder people. Ten Commandments. So I think Trump does, but I just don't think I'm dealing with the hhs. I have whistleblowers that know where these kids are. I gave them a plan before Trump. I gave Homan a plan. I gave them a plan to expedite to find the kids. I have all the guys that know where they are. They blocked us, completely blocked us. Nobody wanted us to give that plan. Nobody wanted us to give them the way to do this. It was really. And it's still being blocked. I mean, hhs, Bobby Kennedy, I feel bad for him because he's doing, you know, what he's doing with the, with the health stuff, which is great. But that HHS has like the third biggest budget in the country. They have welfare system, they have CPS system, they got foster, they got the family court system. You're dealing with kids in hhs. What are we doing with these kids? And it does go back. It has a lot to do with this stuff, with all this abuse on children. Ebstein seen all this espionage, all this blackmail. It's ridiculous. These people need to go to jail. I mean, look at the hush fund. They wouldn't even name the hush fund in Congress. How does that work?
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Ian Crossland
What's that? What's the hush fund.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
The hush fund, the sexual harassment fund that they had anybody that got hurt. Congress that, you know, sexually harassed or hurt, you know, a person with sex or whatever. There was a fund that they would pay them off in Congress.
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Nick Sorter
Who's funding it? I think we can.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Congress.
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Nick Sorter
I would recommend we save that for the live or the after hours show, because that's a lot of opinion.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
I'm just saying Epstein is like, it is. Massey is a good guy with this stuff. I really appreciate him.
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Nick Sorter
I want to be able to bring up things that might get me sued if we do it live on air. That's what I want to use the after hours show for. Because we've been talking about actually, actually a lot about this slush fund recently because I believe Nancy Mace got a copy of, like, part of it or whatever. But I do want to. I do want to say, Mary, you have had the hottest takes of the night to say pretty, pretty easily so far. So we definitely appreciate that. And we've got a ton of people lighting us up in the comment section as well. Super chats, whatever you call the rumble rants. Rumble rants. Those. Yep. Got those as well. And I do want to say we're going to get to those here in just a second. But I do want to say people are like, oh, well, Massey's a Democrat. Massey's whatever. It's like this is less about Massie and more about the fact that we are spending tens of millions of dollars on people like opponents for him and then trying to save John Cornyn in Texas, which clearly nobody wants. And why don't we put this effort into, like, holding Thune's ass to the fire and getting the Save America act passed through. If we put that. Tim said this actually the other day saying that why, why doesn't the administration. Why doesn't his funding apparatus. Why don't they put that same effort toward, you know.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yeah.
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Nick Sorter
Going after John Thune and the other rhinos that are in the Senate.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Absolutely, Absolutely.
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Nick Sorter
I feel like that would be a lot more useful. The priorities in the wrong spot. Priorities are in the wrong spot.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Yep.
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Nick Sorter
But, yeah, I guess we'll move on to. Do we. Do we have that? Are we able to do that? We do.
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Ian Crossland
We can, yes.
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Nick Sorter
Super chats. Rumble rants. It's a new term for me today. I hadn't heard that before, so. But anyway, so here's one right here,
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Tate Brown
which is another patriot.
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Nick Sorter
Got a patriot. Another Patriot chat. Let me zoom in on this. I think I messed up Tim's little Computer here. Another patriot's into the chat. Currently in the hospital welcoming my third son. Thank God. All right, fantastic.
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Tate Brown
We love babies.
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Nick Sorter
Absolutely.
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Tate Brown
We love babies.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah. I think Laura Loomer, I love her. Hater on X. Not too long ago, I think she was complaining about babies crying on airplanes. And I was like, you know, I stopped caring about babies crying on airplanes if they are American babies. I'm like, you know what? I'll stay up for the entire flight. That's fine. I'm just glad there's an American baby sitting there crying.
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Tate Brown
Spanish, I could say.
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Nick Sorter
I know.
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Tate Brown
Welcome to the world, little patriot. Get to work. There's a lot of primaries coming up, so go and file.
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Nick Sorter
Absolutely. Just raise them.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Well, I just want all babies. I want people to have babies because we need more babies. We really do.
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Nick Sorter
Have you been.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
We don't have enough babies.
- [116:48]
Nick Sorter
All right, yeah, I was thinking we
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Ian Crossland
read that one first and then we just go from the top down.
- [116:52]
Nick Sorter
Top down.
- [116:53]
Ian Crossland
So we got.
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Nick Sorter
Hate speech is a made up term developed by Libs. Yeah, I don't think you're going to get. Oh, I know this guy. Hi, Ryan. How's it going, man? Hope you're safe out there in Portland. That freaking hell hole of a banana republic. See, I don't believe hot Mrs. Robinson. Teachers are actual crimes. Ugly ones. Yes. Yeah, we're just not sure what he's getting at there down the line. I don't know. Maybe we can try again. Maybe I'm missing something. Sometimes I'm uncultured. If you want to blame the parents, you have to give them back their rights to discipline the kids first. Because this is a huge problem to parents. Actually, there is a lot of truth in that. And I also think that you should give power to teachers again. The good ones, anyway. I mean, the bad ones probably aren't gonna bother disappointing the children to begin with, but I went to a Catholic school growing up. Catholic high school, and they just weren't allowed to discipline us. I was a horrible child.
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Ian Crossland
My mom went to Catholic school. She would go to school with dirty fingernails and the nun would come by and smack her finger with a ruler. She was like, I'll never smack her.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Nuns were tough. I have some stories. Stories. I have some stories.
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Ian Crossland
Did you do Catholic school?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
All my life.
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Ian Crossland
I don't know what.
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Nick Sorter
So my whole family did discipline.
- [118:07]
Ian Crossland
Like my. My principal in elementary school, there was some tough nuns.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Let me tell you. The Sisters of Mercy were tough. One of my brothers got jacked up against the door one time. One of the school Doors and she broke the window. Now, you know, the school, you know, classrooms have the window on top. She jacked him right up, Broke the window right on top of his head. I probably say she was.
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Nick Sorter
I probably say that we were like bad kids, but honestly, we were like in a cast Catholic, all boys high school. Like, there really wasn't that much bad going. If somebody was drinking, it was like the scandal of the year. Right. So, I mean, I guess we didn't really need to be beat, but we
- [118:42]
Mary Flynn O'Neill
got caught drinking the wine. We did. We got. We good.
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Ian Crossland
I think pain isn't a really good teaching tool, I think, because, like, if someone's gonna hurt themselves, you want to get. You want to stop them, but you don't want to hurt them and to make them stop, stop, you know, So I don't know about. When you say discipline, I don't know how far to take it or what.
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
With the legal.
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Nick Sorter
But going back to the comment that was here about we need to allow parents to discipline more, but the. The parents in D.C. i'm sorry, just don't care at all about discipline. It's not that they don't care whether or not they're allowed to discipline. They're just. They have no interest in doing so.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
I remember, I remember when my kids were growing up, we had a problem. They were. The. This. The teachers were starting to like, call CPS and stuff on parents because of certain things. Right. And parent, parental. It's your right. It's your right to discipline a child. I mean, abuse is, you know, not good. But I'm just saying that they, they started to, you know, inform, you know, and kind of like abuse their power over parents. And parents have the right to do what they need to do with their children. I mean, I mean, as long as it's not, you know, I can see whatever. I'm just saying that started to go away when my kids were growing up.
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Nick Sorter
I can see some public school teachers trying to make the argument, okay, yeah, you took your kid's phone and Xbox away for the month and now he can't communicate outside of school with his kids. Like, that seems abusive. I feel like there would be some teachers that would try to make that argument.
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Ian Crossland
Psychological abuse.
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
I haven't personally experienced overreach of psychological abuse, policing through authorities, but that'd be crazy.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
But they are taking parents rights away. We fight it all the time. We have plenty of cases about that. I mean, down in Florida, we've been fighting, you know, parental rights, and it is a very difficult Thing because remember, a part of the agenda of the left is to have the government run, raise your children. So you. That's what they're doing.
- [120:41]
Nick Sorter
Tailored exactly the way that they want you to. The most convenient way for the globalist cabal and stuff.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
And they're just developing little minions.
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Nick Sorter
I do particularly like this comment here. Nobody loves. Can I say that word on it? I don't know. It's on YouTube. I don't want to demonetize Tim here. Nobody loves crap hole countries more than people who refuse to live there. Truest statement I think I've ever heard. The same people that are going out in the streets rioting and waving Somali flags like, try to send them back to Somalia and see how. How much they're going to want to do that.
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Tate Brown
Classic catch 2020. Classic catch 22. Almost a 2022. Why do they. Why do they strengthen our nation about. Strengthen their own? That's a very salient question.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Exactly.
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Ian Crossland
Biden let all those illegals in. Catch 2022.
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Tate Brown
Catch 22. That's how many we need to see every hour to get the deportation numbers up.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
That's right.
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Nick Sorter
All right, so we got another one here Is. Is. I'll try to say some names here. Hitman Zarelli. I feel like the question from Hitman Zarelli really, I guess goes with the name here. Is it at the point where a civil war is necessary for a future America? Was Kirk the last nail for civil debate? I personally don't see an off ramp and I think a lot of no.
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Ian Crossland
The United States has never seen a civil war. What we call a civil war was a conventional war fought by two sides fighting against each other in a conventional one side split off, formed in a new country. Two countries went to it. Civil war is like, whereas there's sniper rifles from windows, complete total breakdown of. Of police, your car bombs. No, we don't want that. That wouldn't make the situation better even remotely. The rest of the world would take the country over.
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Tate Brown
It would.
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Ian Crossland
So no.
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Tate Brown
Yeah. And like, I mean insofar as we might see some more political assassination, certainly. But I always push back on the idea that we've a civil war because what I led the show with, the point I made is as soon as gas at $4, everyone came unglued. So like Americans do not. Are not prepared to like fight in any real conflict. There's much appetite for what that actually looks like. Again, people say they want that and people like, well, chest beat. But again, again, when things get uncomfortable, everyone just kind of Freaks out.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Look at tragedy though. Look at like 9, 11, what people came together.
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
So now living in Florida, I've been through, and I've been through hurricanes before but Florida gets, you know we got hit three times this past. Not last year, we didn't have anything. But I've seen people like really, I mean some of these areas were third world and people come together. So Americans have the, that great part of their, you know, that, that heart for each other that they do come together and take care of each other and you know, try to help. And it does happen. I mean there's, there's more, there's criminal elements. I also saw people fighting over gas and, and shooting each other because they were doing that during Ian and you know, so it, there's that element. But what really is local, local action like people stick together when there's tragedy. And Americans are very good hearted people. They really are. I mean I believe that they, that they really are. That's why they've given so much money to other world nations. You know we've, we've given up, we've been, we've tried to be you know, good steward people, you know, but, but, but it got out of control. It's out of control. I mean the corruption's out of control. People started saying, you know, taking their piece of the pie.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
You know, taking the money, taking the money and it's all. And money is the root of evil. It's a tool we need. We have to have money to live and we have the right to make as much money as we want in this country. That's the beauty of entrepreneurship in this country. But you know it can really twist people too. Greed is, is we're seeing that, seeing
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Nick Sorter
a lot of it especially with these people that are stealing our money and sending it back to Jack Frikistan I guess we'll call it at this point. You know it's just that is my biggest issue and it will continue to be my biggest issue. And you know we can talk about that more in the after show here but I want to read a couple of more here. Not this is from darkpine76 here. Not the best title for this but shout out to my wife of seven years today more blessed than I deserve for the two patriots she has given me in our plans for more Christ is Lord. More Patriots get to work right after the show here. Anniversary guys.
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Tate Brown
We want to see like massive population occurring. We want to see a lot of bellies bumping and get some more patriots out in this world. Yeah, I do, exactly.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
I believe this, this is what I believe. I believe the little babies that are being born today day and the little children that have come out of the trafficking and I've seen a lot of them, you guys, I believe that they are anointed and I believe that they're going to be the next great leaders of this country. And I, of the world, of the, of the, of the world in a global way. And I do believe that God will take care of them. I believe he's going to anoint them. He. He does take care of the meek. He does take care of the poor. He does, you know, the Beatitudes tells about that. And, you know, the, you know, it's going to happen. I believe that these are special babies. So women have babies because they're going to be special. Special double obsession.
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Tate Brown
I think the American Caesar will be born on July 4th. Well, if you recall, I mean, Trump was very adamant last fall that he wanted to see a baby boomer on America 250. So if all patriots were listening and doing their jobs, then we should see the nurseries overflowing.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Overflowing.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, that's a good point about the youth today. I think there was like a, a generation lost. No, if you're part of this generation, you, you can still make or break your life for the best. But there's like a 15 year swath of people that were growing up from 2008 to 2020 that are just like ambivalently stuck and like, twisted. It's not your fault. Society was crazy during those, those censorship years, but the people now are like open books. The kids that are listening now, kids grew up watching the show for seven years. They're seven years old. Like, those guys are going to be keyed in. You are right.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Thank you. I do. I think he is going to raise up these babies to be the greatest leaders we have.
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Nick Sorter
And I will say, just before we wrap up here, I do want to mention that, you know, people are like, I've heard people that have come up to me and B, they'd say things like, oh, well, is it worth, you know, having. I don't want to bring my kids into like, a hellhole of a world. Why would we want to do that? That is a horrible way to look at it because I'm telling you, you, the younger generations, a huge, massive portion of them are on the right side of a lot of issues. They understand that a lot of these leftist policies don't work, that they're not the ones that live in New York City, for example.
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Ian Crossland
Right.
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Nick Sorter
There are some real patriots out there. And the younger generations actually vote in a more traditionally conservative way than older folks do. And that is statistic, that is sunk science. Bring your kids into this world, especially if you were a patriot.
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
And then raise your kids like, don't, don't be afraid. I'm a mother, you know, and I, I remember and I had a baby at 21 years old, and I, I, I was afraid. You're afraid, but don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to have children. Because you know what? That child could be the President of the United States, could be the. You don't know. That's, that's why every child is so precious. They're so worth.
- [128:12]
Nick Sorter
So, guys, we definitely appreciate you joining us tonight. I appreciate the support for guest hosting here on a whim. I enjoyed every part of this. We could go on for several more hours and actually, I think we will go on for some more time right after this. Mary, it's been an honor. I'm very.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
Oh, I'm honored.
- [128:28]
Nick Sorter
I'm telling you, some of your takes have been very base. So we appreciate that. Where do people find you?
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
You can find me at America's Future right now. I'm leading a great organization and AmericasFuture. We got, well, you can find me right there.
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Nick Sorter
You got a Twitter.
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Mary Flynn O'Neill
I'm on Twitter. Yeah, I am on Twitter. People know me on Twitter. I think I'm Mary Flynn o'. Neill. One. The L is A one. I'm on that. I do X. I do X. I was doing truth. I'm not, you know, I'm not. I'm the kind of a person that puts this thing, this phone, this thing, this phone down. I'm not, I don't blame you. I'm not a person that, you know, I gotta, you gotta take a break from this stuff because, you know, you
- [129:08]
Nick Sorter
need your sanity and it helps and,
- [129:10]
Mary Flynn O'Neill
you know, know, take a breather.
- [129:11]
Nick Sorter
So, Ian, I don't know if anybody's ever heard of you before, but.
- [129:14]
Ian Crossland
Oh, but if you haven't, it's Ian Crossland. That's my name. I've been doing this for a long time. YouTube in 2006. Because I cared so deeply for what the United States was going through then. I still care just as much now, probably more. Follow me at Ian Crossland on the Internet on every platform you can find me on. Happy to be here. Tate Brown.
- [129:32]
Tate Brown
Yeah, you can follow me on X Instagram at real Tate Brown. If you haven't heard of Me either. I'm a lover of the fighter. A patriot.
- [129:39]
Nick Sorter
Loves to use big words. Yeah, things like that.
- [129:42]
Tate Brown
I really love Carter on my camera. It's so hot.
- [129:46]
Nick Sorter
Yeah, it is hot.
- [129:46]
Tate Brown
Well, people don't need to see me. I have more of a face for podcasts.
- [129:52]
Nick Sorter
Don't be modest. Chris Carr, 17 on X. Check out my substack. Kriscarr.substack.com that's car with a K K A R R over there. You're going to find me writing about movies and interesting people and Carter, does your camera work?
- [130:04]
Ian Crossland
Find me. My camera is on right now and I don't know how. I guess taste just went out for the first time tonight because it is very hot in here. You can find me at Carter Banks. But actually just hang around for the after show on Rumble. It's going to be pretty cool. We got a lot of stuff to talk about.
- [130:15]
Tate Brown
Let's do it. All right. Yep.
- [130:18]
Nick Sorter
Appreciate you guys. I'm Nick Sorter. You can find me on X. That's the main platform. X at Nick Sorter. N I C K S O r T o r again. I'll just get banned on every other platform. Thank you, guys. We'll see you in the after show.