MASS SHOOTING At Florida State, Anti Trump Rumors ERUPT, MANGIONE EFFECT w/ Maggie Moda

Summary

Timcast IRL Episode Summary: "MASS SHOOTING At Florida State, Anti Trump Rumors ERUPT, MANGIONE EFFECT w/ Maggie Moda"
Release Date: April 18, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guest: Maggie Moda

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1. Introduction to the Florida State University (FSU) Shooting

The episode opens with a grim report of a mass shooting that occurred at Florida State University in Tallahassee, Florida. Just before noon, a gunman, identified as Phoenix Ichner, a 20-year-old son of a sheriff's deputy, opened fire, resulting in two fatalities and six injuries (00:54).

2. Is the FSU Shooting Politically Motivated?

The primary discussion revolves around whether the FSU shooting is an isolated incident or part of a broader trend termed the "Mangione Effect." Libby Emmons raises questions about the shooter's motives, pondering if this act of violence is linked to political discontent or purely personal struggles (06:00).

Key Points:

• Shooter's Background: Phoenix Ichner, son of Jessica Ichner, a long-standing sheriff's deputy, had access to firearms due to his mother's position (07:02).
• Political Overtones: Initial assumptions suggested anti-Trump sentiments or affiliation with socialist groups, but Maggie Moda counters this, indicating a lack of clear political motivation (07:53).

Notable Quote:
Maggie Moda (07:53): "It doesn't really seem like he has an opinion on him [Trump] really."

3. Trends in Youth Violence

The panel delves into the alarming rise in youth violence in the United States, noting a significant uptick since 2020. Discussions highlight factors such as social media influence, lack of parental guidance, and the glorification of violence in certain online communities.

Key Points:

• Increase in Violent Crimes: Lisa emphasizes the surge in murders and violent incidents among teenagers, attributing it to a lack of moral guidance and exposure to violent content online (11:03).
• Influence of Social Media: The normalization of violence through platforms like Instagram and exposure to gore are cited as contributing factors (12:21).
• Parental Neglect: Absent or ineffective parenting is discussed as a root cause, leading youths to seek validation and identity through destructive means (16:45).

Notable Quotes:
Lisa (11:24): "It's almost like they have no morality... they're filling it with whatever attention they can."
Phil (08:31): "There was someone he was in touch with who had a Ukrainian phone number and he was talking to this person over text."

4. The Mangione Effect and Capital Punishment

The episode transitions to discussing the indictment of Luigi Mangione, who was charged with the premeditated murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. This segment explores the implications of federal capital punishment and the broader debate surrounding the death penalty.

Key Points:

• Federal Charges: Mangione faces both federal and state murder charges, with the federal prosecution seeking the death penalty as part of President Trump's campaign promise to enforce capital punishment more vigorously (24:18).
• Debate on the Death Penalty: Panelists express divided opinions on capital punishment. While Maggie Moda opposes it on principled grounds, she also expresses concern over turning Mangione into a martyr (25:57).
• Systemic Flaws: Concerns are raised about the reliability of the justice system and the potential for wrongful convictions, despite advancements like DNA evidence (28:32).

Notable Quotes:
Libby Emmons (26:07): "I'm against the death penalty because I don't trust the government."
Maggie Moda (26:07): "I'm against the death penalty, but it's horrible to turn him into a martyr."

5. Additional Stories and Political Commentary

Beyond the main topics, the episode touches upon various other news items and political issues, including:

• RFK Jr. on Autism: Criticism of media portrayal of RFK Jr.'s comments on autism, emphasizing the importance of addressing real issues without media bias (05:05).
• Trump and Iran Negotiations: Discussion on Donald Trump's decision to engage in diplomatic talks with Iran rather than supporting Israeli-led strikes, highlighting Trump's inclination towards peaceful negotiations (47:56).
• U.S. Troop Withdrawal from Syria: Analysis of the U.S.'s strategic drawdown of troops from Syria, reflecting on the shifting security dynamics and the potential resurgence of ISIS (77:30).

Notable Quotes:
Phil (47:56): "Trump is actually the guy that wants peace..."
Libby Emmons (77:30): "It's a good thing the US is getting out of war zones."

6. Immigration and Second Amendment Discussions

The panel engages in a heated debate on immigration policies and gun rights, reflecting deep partisan divides.

Key Points:

• Deportation and Political Power: Libby Emmons passionately argues for expedited deportations to restore political power among American citizens, criticizing the current administration's immigration policies (46:07).
• Second Amendment Rights: A controversial discussion ensues about the government's stance on gun ownership, with references to federal classifications and ongoing legislative efforts to restrict semi-automatic rifles (117:03).

Notable Quotes:
Maggie Moda (46:07): "These people deserve far worse than they're going to get."
Libby Emmons (117:03): "The government must fear armed recourse if we are to be a free people."

7. Conclusion and Community Engagement

The episode wraps up with the hosts addressing super chats from listeners, discussing community issues, and promoting upcoming shows. Emphasis is placed on fostering a strong, informed community to combat rising societal and political challenges.

Notable Interactions:

• Listener Feedback: Comments range from personal anecdotes about family and crime to critiques of panel member appearances and behavior (99:29, 117:03).
• Upcoming Segments: Teasers for future episodes, including topics like self-defense laws and ongoing political cases, are shared (121:00).

Timestamp References:

• 00:54 – Introduction to FSU Shooting
• 05:05 – RFK Jr. on Autism
• 07:02 – Shooter’s Background
• 07:53 – Maggie Moda on Political Motivation
• 08:31 – Phil on Political Violence Trends
• 11:03 – Youth Violence Discussion
• 12:21 – Social Media’s Role
• 16:45 – Parental Neglect
• 24:18 – Mangione Indictment
• 25:57 – Debate on Death Penalty
• 26:07 – Libby on Capital Punishment
• 28:32 – Systemic Flaws in Justice
• 46:07 – Immigration and Political Power
• 47:56 – Trump and Iran
• 77:30 – Troop Withdrawal from Syria
• 117:03 – Second Amendment Debate
• 117:30 – Listener Super Chats

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Conclusion:
This episode of Timcast IRL provides a deep dive into the Florida State University shooting, exploring potential political motivations and broader societal implications. Through engaging discussions with guest Maggie Moda and contributions from host Tim Pool and co-host Libby Emmons, the show navigates complex topics such as youth violence, capital punishment, immigration policies, and foreign diplomacy. The episode underscores the increasing political polarization and the urgent need for addressing underlying societal issues to mitigate rising acts of violence.

Transcript

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[Libby Emmons]

Today in Tallahassee, Florida, just before noon, a gunman opened fire, killing two and injuring six at Florida State University. And that is leaded has led us to the question is this the mangione effect? Is the impulse to violence something that is becoming predominant on the left? Is does this have anything to do with politics at all? Or is this just a young man that has decided that his life was not worth living? So we will discuss that today. There was a post on X by Nicholas Decker, and I'm not going to say the name of the post, but this is also related to the questions that we're asking. And his questions are about when is it time to take the law into your own hands? And I guess that's probably the best way to say it this early in the show. And so we'll talk about that from the post Millennial. We have some information about Caramello Anthony's press conference. I guess there was some drama because the father of Austin Metcalf showed up to the press conference and for some reason Carmel Anthony's parents didn't like that. So we'll discuss that. RFK Jr. Was in D.C. today and he was talking about autism and its effects on young people. And there are people in the media that have a problem with the way that he characterized the, the issue, because it's a real issue that is, is, you know, extremely important. So we'll discuss that. Donald Trump was, was talking with Israel about strikes on Iran and he's opted to continue negotiations with Iran as opposed to doing what it seems like Bibi Netanyahu wanted, which is to actually strike. So more of the Trump is actually the guy that wants peace no matter what people seem to think the U.S. is. Also, the New York Times says the U.S. is withdrawing hundreds of troops from Syria, which begs the question, why are there hundreds of troops in Syria? We're not at war with Syria. We, we know that Syria has got a massive or had a massive civil war. Now that there is a new government, I assume it's probably not friendly to the United States government, so that's probably why they're pulling him up. But we'll talk about that. And then if we get to it, Space X and a few of its partners emerge as front runners to build part of Trump's Golden Dome project. Talking about missiles from space. So before we get into that, want you to head on over to Cast Brew coffee. You can go ahead and buy some Alex Stein's prime time Grind, which is extra caffeine. But if you're a little more laid back, you can get Ian's Graphene Dream, which we have some in stock. That's the big seller. We have plenty in in stock. So go ahead and get yourself some of that. You know, they've got Appalachian Nights, which is actually what I tend to drink. I've become a coffee guy in the past few years, which is kind of weird. You know, most people kind of get into coffee when they're in their 20s and I waited until I was in my late 40s. But head on over to Casper to get yourself some coffee and then head on over to the boonies hq.com and you can pick up skateboard decks, which are super sweet. The 28th amendment chickens being necessary for the security of a free state. The right of the people to keep and bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed. An adorable square chicken on the board. Go on and pick yourself up one of those. So smash the like button. Share the show with your friends. We're here to talk about that and so much more. Maggie Modi, right?

[Maggie Mota]

Yes. I go by Maggie Mota on X and indoctrination on YouTube. But I work for the foundation for Economic Education. Opinions are my own. I am super happy to be here. Thank you guys.

[Libby Emmons]

Thank you very much for coming. Lisa, how are you?

[Lisa]

Hi. Thanks for having me. I'm here strictly to annoy you.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, that's, that's strictly what you do.

[Lisa]

But if you guys don't know who I am, I book for Tim Cast the Culture War and I'm just here to have fun, hang out.

[Libby Emmons]

Sick. And we also have Libby Emmons from the Post Millennial.

[Phil]

I'm here. I'm Libby Emmons from the Post Millennial. I'm glad to be here with you guys.

[Libby Emmons]

All right, so let's get into it. Fox News reports Florida State University shooting suspect who is Phoenix Ichner. The suspect who opened fire at Florida State University FSU in Tallahassee, Florida on Thursday, killing two and injuring six others was identified by law enforcement officials as the 20 year old son of a sheriff's deputy. Leon County Sheriff Walter McNeil identified Phoenix Ichner as the shooter, saying it's not a surprise to us that he had access to weapons. I mean, shouldn't a sheriff's deputy know how to secure their weapons? They continue. His mother, Jessica Ickner, is a sheriff's deputy with the Leon County Sheriff's Office. She's been with the office for over 18 years. And McNeil said she has done a tremendous job in her position during the course of her career. Authorities said she served as a school resource officer. McNeil said Phoenix Ickner used his mother's handgun in the shooting at fsu. So apparently this young man or he's, he's been, there's questions surrounding whether or not this is a politically motivated or whether there was any politics involved in this or whether this was just another young kid that was somehow struggling with modern society, which seems to be almost the norm nowadays. So what do you guys think? Do you guys believe that this has got something broader than just a kid that has decided that he's had enough of the day to day living in.

[Maggie Mota]

The U.S. yeah, I think everyone automatically jumped on this idea that he's an anti Trump protester, that he was part of this socialist student union club. I think the quote they're pulling from this article kind of proves that he's not part of them. If you read the line before it, it said once the protesters reach the integration statue, Florida State University Police Department officers stood on guard and groups of onlookers began to form. And then they bring in his quote. These people are usually pretty entertaining, usually not for good reasons. I think it's a little too late. He's already going to be inaugurated on January 20th and there's nothing and there's not really much you can do unless you outright revolt. And I don't think anyone wants that. It seems to me that he's not an anti Trumper. It doesn't really seem like he has an opinion on him really.

[Libby Emmons]

Libby, what do you got?

[Phil]

I, you know, I, I am not sure either. I don't know that we have necessarily a political motivation at this point. We have seen a lot of politically motivated violence of late. There was Luigi Mangione, obviously, but even since then there's been the Tesla violence. There was this kid in Wisconsin who killed his parents as part of a plot to overthrow Trump and the government and then secretly head off to Ukraine. And this is just some of it.

[Libby Emmons]

You know, was he in, actually in touch with anyone in, in Ukraine?

[Phil]

According to the FBI documents, it looks like he was. There was someone he was in touch with who had a Ukrainian phone number and he was talking to this person over text. What's going to happen when he moves to Ukraine and that's going to go down.

[Libby Emmons]

That's a similar situation to the attempted assassination attempt on Donald Trump earlier last year.

[Phil]

Right. Ryan Ruth in September at the golf course. Yeah. So he was in contact, also was in contact with Ukraine, but in Ruth's case that was a situation where he had been like doing fundraising and advocacy for Ukraine for a while at that point and I think had even been there. We also saw recently a poll that came out that was like, was it 55% of Americans think that it's reasonable to assassinate Donald Trump?

[Libby Emmons]

Americans?

[Phil]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was 55, wasn't it? Do I have this totally wrong?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think it was Democrats. I think it was Democrats.

[Maggie Mota]

That's unbelievable.

[Phil]

Was it Democrats?

[Libby Emmons]

I think so, yeah. I don't think Donald Trump's like Donald Trump's poll number, his, his, his likability has gone down a little bit.

[Phil]

55% of left leaning Americans say it's somewhat justified to kill Trump. Yeah, yeah. And so what we have is a situation where for years we've had people on the left saying words are violence, which makes them think that self defense is reasonable. And if words are violence, then violence is violence and they can just, you know, spout off and hurt people because of that.

[Libby Emmons]

So you think that the, the narrative being spun or the, the, the phrase, like such phrases, like the, like words are violence, you think that that's contributing or do you think that.

[Phil]

I just think it's part of the overall ethos. Right. If words are violence, then if you insult me, self defense. So I, I can, you know, take out. I forget who the tweet aggression against you because of that.

[Libby Emmons]

So I saw a tweet today and I forget who it was that, that actually said it and I apologize. But the, there it started off with the, with the idea that on the left they believe that violence can be used like a volume knob. You can turn it up and you can turn it down. So you can, you know, getting into fistfights and brawls, up to actually firebombing Tesla dealerships, to actually murdering people. Whereas with the right, they tend to look at violence as either totally off limits or that's all you're doing. It's a light switch. Do you guys have a sense that you see those kind of, those kind of, do you feel like people have that kind of understanding or.

[Lisa]

I think that just the left is increasingly more Violent than the right. Even though they try to play that it's the other way around. But even more than that, I think that there's a big problem lately with teens and violence. Like across America. Teen violence in general is skyrocketing and nobody really wants to talk about. I'm talking from like, you know, 12, 13, 14 up.

[Libby Emmons]

You're talking about fighting or, or murders.

[Lisa]

Murders. Violence in general. Like, like, you look at this, this other kid that was doing the Trump thing, this school shooter, like it's just over and over again we see that. It, it's almost like they have no morality. There was a clip of, of, of somebody like filming this mass shooting and they, they filmed the body. Like, do you have no sanctity for life? It's almost like that's, that's even more of a problem.

[Libby Emmons]

So I saw the video.

[Phil]

I think that. Oh, go ahead.

[Libby Emmons]

I saw the video that you're talking about. I didn't have, I didn't have a chance to listen to it. Was there any audio?

[Lisa]

Were they saying she was just taking.

[Maggie Mota]

A sip of her Starbucks, walking casually?

[Libby Emmons]

Was she actually taking a sip?

[Lisa]

Yes.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Maggie Mota]

Because it looked to me like was in the shot. Yes, I saw the Starbucks passed this woman who is either, you know, dying or is like very injured, and she just walks past. And what's interesting is that she filmed it. Right. Most of this generation is being exposed to brutal violence daily online. And, you know, not all of this violence that's been happening, the school shootings have been political. Some of it has come through the true crime community. And what's really interesting about that community is that they really venerate these school shooters and really like sanctify them.

[Phil]

So did Audrey Hale.

[Maggie Mota]

Really creepy.

[Lisa]

Like, Audrey.

[Libby Emmons]

Audrey was 10. Was Tennessee.

[Phil]

Audrey was Tennessee. The Covenant School shooting killed three. Three children and three staff members at a school. And when they finally released all of these, you know, notebooks that she had in it, she was really venerating the Columbine shooters. She really thought that they were just the bees knees.

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah. And so women, apparently women and men are coming to this through two different paths. So girls are coming to it through, you know, like eating disorder communities. Really? Yeah. And then men or young boys are coming to these communities through gore.

[Libby Emmons]

So see now, so like, I'm of the.

[Lisa]

You're talking about white kids, but black kids are coming through drill rap and Instagram beats.

[Libby Emmons]

So what's interesting, your point. Hold on to your point about, about like coming to it through. Through gore. Like, I'm of The generation when, like, rotten.com was still a thing, when, like, you could go to live, leak, and there were graphic things like. And I've seen. I mean, I've seen all the, you know, as a young guy, not as a teenager. Right. Because it was a. I was a teenager in the early 90s, but like, when rotten.com was a thing in the early aughts and stuff. I've seen all the, you know, the chainsaws and. And the Mexican cartel violence and stuff like that. I don't get the sense that my generation had more violence because of that stuff.

[Maggie Mota]

So do you think that have been old enough to be able to process that and, and recognize it as wrong? But think about these kids that are getting, you know, computers at 10 or 11, and that's what they're seeing, and they're exposing themselves to that constantly on a day and day.

[Libby Emmons]

But my point is, like, you can't. That's the Internet's way less of the Wild west than it was back 20 years ago.

[Lisa]

It was harder to access to.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Now my point is, nowadays, is there. Is there. I. It's my. My understanding or my impression that the Internet is actually more sanitized than it used to be. You. There are. There are. So that we talk about. There's a lot of murders that have happened that you can't actually find the original videos of anymore.

[Phil]

Yeah. I mean, it's interesting you mentioned the Gore thing.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Phil]

And in the FBI documents with the Wisconsin teen, this guy Nikolai Kassip, a classmate, told the FBI that Kassap would send Gore edit videos that included flashing gory and war images put to Russian music via Snapchat. And then he said, you know, that he intended to kill his parents, but he was involved in this Gore stuff. But I think that certainly people can be conditioned to accept measures of violence, and that can happen through, you know, a number of different ways. Like, this is something that we've seen in war. Like, soldiers will be intentionally conditioned to accept violence and extreme horror and things like that. That's definitely true, but for decades and decades now, we've been told that it's either, you know, heavy metal music that's causing our kids to go nuts, or it's rap music, or it's all of these different things. And I think that there's something different going on than just, you know, this experience of seeing horrifying things or, you know, I mean, listen, it's definitely.

[Libby Emmons]

It's definitely.

[Phil]

And there's a. There's just a. There's A lack of respect for life. There's a lack of belief in an everlasting soul. There's a lack of a belief that you have an innate part of yourself that cannot be that. That, you know, you can protect, that can't be broken. You know, I think that kind of concept is missing. And whether it's the decline of religion or the decline of any care for our neighbors. And then just to what you were saying about the cell phones. I think people use cell phones as a shield and they think they're protected from it. Like, I remember riding the subway when I lived in New York, and I would think, like, if I look at my phone, no one's gonna bother me. Well, that's stupid. That doesn't.

[Lisa]

I think it's absent parenting.

[Phil]

Yeah, I think, well, there's that too, but that's not the only thing.

[Lisa]

Yeah, but I think it's. It's a bigger concept. Like, a lot of these kids are killing each other over, like, disses or like, you know, being made fun of or being insulted or are those type.

[Libby Emmons]

Of things like honor culture kind of thing?

[Lisa]

It's not, it's not honor culture.

[Libby Emmons]

That's the kind of thing that you're. Yeah, but it's.

[Lisa]

It's kind of.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm asking a question. You don't.

[Lisa]

Makes it honor culture. Makes it seem like it's. There's something noble about it. There's something noble about this. These people don't earn respect. What happens is they don't have any self esteem. They. They don't have any self respect and they don't have anybody to guide them. And so instead of doing something productive with their lives, they take this short way to get this instant gratification. They put it on Instagram for clicks. And that's why I don't think it's about, like, drill the music. It's just that they dis them in the music. It's about the attention and the need to fill a void and feel special, feel connected to something, because they. They're not connected to their parents. They're not connected to their neighborhoods. They're not connected to their school. They're. They're totally empty, miserable vessels. And so they're filling it with whatever attention they can and ratchet it up. Like, so it would be street fighting or it would be carjacking, and now it's shooting people who dish you on a song on Instagram. Like, it is a literal emptiness that they're feeling because they have no self esteem.

[Maggie Mota]

Nihilism, ultimately I mean it's, it's very empty, but ultimately people just don't end up valuing human life. And Taylor Lorenz was recently on Hannity, I think it was saying that she doesn't believe in souls. I mean, it's no wonder that she's endorsing Luigi Mangioni.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, so Taylor Lorenz not just, you know, not believing in souls is, is typical of either an agnostic or, or an atheist. And Taylor Lorenz is, you know, I mean, fine, she can believe what she wants, but everyone knows she's kind of a. Anyway, so I don't know that I'm convinced that it is either music. And the reason I say that is.

[Lisa]

I don't think it is either because.

[Libby Emmons]

Like the things that you're describing in, in Drill Rap, where they'll diss each other on Instagram and stuff, look, you.

[Lisa]

Saw that's a byproduct of what's happening.

[Libby Emmons]

You saw that stuff in the early 90s.

[Lisa]

No, it's not like this. This is not the same, I swear to God.

[Libby Emmons]

So how is it not the same when you had, you know, you had Dr. Dre and Easy E and all those guys, it wasn't cool for literally.

[Lisa]

12 year olds to go to try to kill their quote ops just because they got dislike. It is, it is slaughter. So I'm talking every other week we have a 13 year old dying, a 16 year old dying, a 14 year old dying in Philly, like, and no one is talking about it. And then it's spreading.

[Libby Emmons]

What was the, wasn't the murder rate high in Southern California back in the.

[Lisa]

90S during, during like the COVID epidemic in 2022? Like they got stimulus checks and they admitted in tons of these videos, like Brandon Buckingham and all these other people did like videos about what it was like in that culture. And they, with their stimulus checks, they bought guns. They literally bought guns. And the killings ratcheted up by like 50% and it's still happening. Even I'm going to give Larry Krasner credit here is that he's really like buckling down on. We just arrested like, I think it was like nine and they were involved in at least 16 violent homicides. One kid had five bodies that just got shot. I'm talking like these are kids slaughtering each other and, and it's spreading. It's kind of like this Carmelo Anthony kid, he felt like he got dissed and the answer was to kill somebody. It's, it is definitely spreading. It's not just in the inner city. And it. And it's spreading from like, Instagram and the music, but it's not the music that's driving it. It's the. The culture that's driving. Music is like a side product of it, like an externality. It's bad, though. And nobody. Nobody even know. Like, I talk to people all the time, like, how many teenagers died in the last three months in Philly? They have no idea.

[Maggie Mota]

It's the underlying beliefs about human life.

[Lisa]

Right?

[Maggie Mota]

And those beliefs come with those communities or certain parts of those communities. Now, it's not that, like, the entire community believes that. It's that this is how radicalization works all over the Internet. You. You have a funnel, you know, that gets more and more extreme towards the bottom.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay, but the reason I asked. So you're talking about the. You're talking about predominantly black kids.

[Lisa]

Well, in that situation.

[Libby Emmons]

That situation. But isn't. Isn't the black community one of the most religious communities?

[Lisa]

Now, granted, they're turning Muslim and it's. Especially in the inner cities, like, our Muslim population is growing exponentially through converts, big time. We have one of the biggest black convert to Muslim population in all of the America that they had a couple years ago, I think it was five years ago or something. They had kids from Philly singing things about, like, killing infidels and stuff. That was like a teen thing. And they're like, sorry, we put it up. It was an accident. We didn't mean to. But like, there's sorry we put it.

[Libby Emmons]

Up, not sorry we were doing it, sorry.

[Lisa]

Yeah, yeah. Like, they were like, that was an oversight. Like, no, it's an oversight that you got caught. And they're over there like, literally singing about killing people and beheading infidels. Like, I'm not kidding. And. And it's. It. It is. Yeah, they're religious in that way, but these kids, they like, quote, jump off the porch and. And there's no parent structure. And some of the moms are involved. There was this one mom, she's on Instagram bopping her head like. Like after the. Her. The kid who shot her son got shot, she was like all bragging. She's like, I'm a smoke a dupe. I'm do a shot, like, to like, praise his death. Like, the parents, because they're so young and they're also no structure in their life. Like, they're in on it. It's crazy. And it's spreading, but it, like, it is spreading.

[Libby Emmons]

Libby, what do you. What do you know of this, this murderous culture that, that Lisa's describing.

[Lisa]

You have to look at that.

[Phil]

I don't know much about the murderous culture that Lisa.

[Lisa]

Watch American Confidential.

[Phil]

You know, I got out of cities a couple.

[Lisa]

Yeah, you were smart. You were smart.

[Libby Emmons]

Listen to Tim Pool.

[Phil]

I know. And Jack and everybody.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, but.

[Phil]

Yeah, I can't. Yeah, no, it's, it's weird. But there I lived in a very Muslim neighborhood in Brooklyn in Bay Ridge, and there were protests almost every weekend right on my block against Israel and, you know, pro Palestinian and all that stuff. And that was way before October 2023. And there was a very large Muslim population there. In fact, that is where Linda Sarsour is from, you know, who led the women's march until she was kicked out for being anti Semitic. And it's also where the bin Laden family used to hang out before. Yeah, before 9 11. So it's a long standing Islamic neighborhood. But I haven't looked too much into.

[Lisa]

Oh, the contemporary stuff.

[Phil]

One of my high school classmates, though, did convert to Islam, which I discovered at a class reunion years later.

[Lisa]

They have this thing like where you'll see them, like they come out of prison and whoever has the darkest mark on their head shows their most loyalty to Islam. Like they had, like it's a thing.

[Maggie Mota]

Wow.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. All right, well, we're gonna, on, on that note, so we're gonna go to something that we were talking about, you know, whether or not this is the, the Mangioni effect. And so we're going to jump to this story from Fox News. Accused CEO assassin Luigi Mangioni indicted on federal charges. So this, I'm not sure what the, the charges would be in New York State, but I don't think New York State has the death penalty. But this, I believe it's on hold. Oh, what New York State is on hold?

[Phil]

Yeah, I believe that it's been on hold for a long time, but they used to have it. I'm pretty sure, I don't know that it's been totally outlawed.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay, so we have. Oh, this has got, this is actually. You got to join Fox News. Do you have a key to get in here? Let's see.

[Lisa]

Who subscribes to Fox News.

[Libby Emmons]

I thought that we did.

[Lisa]

No. Yuck.

[Maggie Mota]

Wait, so why are they charging him with federal charges?

[Libby Emmons]

I think it's so that way they can give him the death penalty, hopefully. So let's see from the AP. Federal prosecutors seek death penalty for Luigi Mangioni and UnitedHealthcare CEO killing New York US Attorney General Pam Bondi said Tuesday that she has directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty against Luigi Mangione in the killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, following through on the president's campaign promise to vigorously pursue capital punishment. It is the first time the Justice Department has sought to bring the death penalty since President Donald Trump returned to office in January with a vow to resume federal executions after they were halted under the previous administration. Luigi Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson, an innocent man and father of two young children, was a premeditated, cold blooded assassination that shocked America, Bondi said in a statement. She described Thompson's killing as an act of political violence. Mangione, a 26 year old Ivy League graduate from a prominent Maryland real estate family, faces separate federal and state murder charges after authorities say he gunned down Thompson, 50, outside a Manhattan hotel on Dec. 4 as the executive arrived for United Healthcare's annual investor conference. So generally I am against the death penalty because I think of how well the DMV performs and that's kind of what I expect from the government all the time.

[Lisa]

I used to feel, but now, and.

[Libby Emmons]

I know Maggie is, is against the death penalty as a L word. I'm not going to say it, but. But what? Do you have thoughts on, on this, on this development here?

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah, I mean, from a principled position, I'm against the death penalty, but also for Luigi Mangioni. I think it's a horrible idea to turn him into a martyr. His approval, by the time he gets.

[Lisa]

Killed though, it won't, he won't, he won't be martyr status by that. I don't know. After all the appeals process and stuff.

[Maggie Mota]

I think, I think it's going to keep ratcheting up, especially if they actually go through with it. It's shocking and disturbing how many people my age are all in on Luigi, but they are.

[Phil]

He's like the new Mumia Abu Jamal or Leonardo, you know, but like there are these guys who end up committing federal crimes, who commit federal crimes and then are just lionized by the left, like Mumia or, you know, Peltier, who was a killer also. But I think also Biden put a freeze on the death penalty and Trump said, nah, we're done with that freeze. I'm entirely 100 thoroughly opposed to capital punishment because I'm the only one that's not. I used to love you, Christian. And so I just, like, I used.

[Lisa]

To think that, like, okay, fine, we, we can't, like, we got to be consistent. No abortions. We have to care about Life. But no, now I'm like, I don't care if we get occasionally one wrong. These people have to go. And I'm tired of absolute derelicts being in our society. Not only am I tired of them being there, I'm tired of paying for them to like go to the gym and work out and have Internet access. No, no, you have to go.

[Libby Emmons]

I mean, if you look, if you look into it, the, all of the appeals and all of the cost that goes into actually killing someone, that's why.

[Lisa]

We should do it right away.

[Phil]

Well, I think that's a terrible idea. I think absolutely. We should not be taking people's lives. The government should not be taking people.

[Lisa]

I used to feel that way because I like wanted to be like consistent. But no.

[Phil]

Oh, it's not about consistent.

[Lisa]

If somebody like did something heinous to my child and they didn't.

[Phil]

But that's. The victims aren't in charge of, of.

[Lisa]

Penalties and put yourself in every parent.

[Phil]

That's why we need law. It's not about being in parents shoes. That's why we need law.

[Lisa]

Those people, that's, that's, that's justice. That is justice. Get rid of them. With these pedophiles.

[Phil]

I don't think vengeance.

[Lisa]

I can't say it on here, but yeah, yeah, I wish I, I just don't say it on here, you know.

[Libby Emmons]

So I, I actually, I mean, generally I'm against the death penalty. Not because there are not people that deserve it, but because I don't trust the government.

[Phil]

That's a. Yeah.

[Maggie Mota]

And they get things wrong.

[Phil]

I don't trust them to do my taxes. Yeah, I hate that. Like, I'll do my taxes. And then they'll be like, you screwed up. And it's like, no, you screwed up.

[Maggie Mota]

Shocking percentage of people on death row that end up getting exonerated.

[Lisa]

But that was because they've been sitting there for 30 years before they had like DNA evidence and things like that.

[Libby Emmons]

It is more likely that nowadays they're going to get it right.

[Lisa]

Correct.

[Libby Emmons]

Because of the, because of things like DNA evidence and because of cameras everywhere and stuff. So again, I'm not, I'm not against it in principle. As in like, oh, like Libby, you mentioned your religious faith is why. And I don't have any problem like that. It's just that I don't think the government is good at things and stuff. So generally I kind of think that it's, it might be a bad idea. But you know, I do understand what you're saying about making a Martyr out of him. Is that a good reason to not do things, though? Like, so. So you put him in jail forever. Does that. Is he less of a martyr because of that? They already lionize him. They're already. They already have the, the candles, the Luigi Mangioni candles. Because they're absolute psychopaths. Yeah, yeah. Which is. I mean, it's vile.

[Maggie Mota]

Disrespectful.

[Libby Emmons]

First of all, the finger goes up and everything.

[Maggie Mota]

So disrespectful. Put the candles away. I hate when they do that. They do that for every liberal politician, too. Have you ever been to one of those bookst, like the Wall, you know.

[Libby Emmons]

Because they're mocking God.

[Maggie Mota]

Disgusting.

[Lisa]

Anyways, yeah, go to.

[Maggie Mota]

I think it's fair to say that.

[Lisa]

You know, they're already saying I'm crazy in the chat and I'm drunk. I'm like, no, this is just me.

[Libby Emmons]

No, she's not had a drop.

[Lisa]

Yeah, like, that's just.

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah. For, for principled reasons, I'm against the death penalty. But also, even in this case, even though we know that he's probably allegedly guilty, I think it's a horrible idea.

[Lisa]

You're just gonna go and shoot somebody in the back and then you just get to kind of, like, chill in prison.

[Maggie Mota]

He's gonna collect those love letters for the rest of his life.

[Lisa]

But I feel great about himself.

[Maggie Mota]

Hopefully God sorts him out.

[Lisa]

You know, God can sort him out at judgment time at the pearly gates.

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah.

[Lisa]

Phil, why are you laughing at me?

[Libby Emmons]

Why do you think I'm laughing?

[Lisa]

I don't know why that's such a hilarious, crazy position. Like, I, I think that these people deserve, like, that you have to be removed from society.

[Libby Emmons]

No, no, I totally understand, and I agree with you. I think they should be put in jail. I definitely think they should be put in jail forever. And that's, that's, that's what we do with, with people generally putting people in jail. We, we take young, violent men, young men that tend to be too violent to be in society, and we put them in jail until they're not young and violent.

[Maggie Mota]

And jail is pretty bad.

[Phil]

What do you guys think of this proposition of sending American citizen criminals to El Salvador in prisons?

[Libby Emmons]

I'm not into that.

[Phil]

I'm totally opposed.

[Lisa]

I also don't think. I also don't think that that's what his plan is. Like, it's, it's part of, like, a scaring deterrent factor. And everybody keeps saying things like when it comes to Trump about, like, oh, is he really going to do this or that, or I forget what it was the other day. I think it was poso put up a thing like, should we go to a war with Iran? Like, no, clearly we shouldn't. But we shouldn't tell the whole world. We warned. We don't support him in doing that. He has to have it as leverage, right? And so if he's going to scare the crap out of everybody and say, get your act together and if you hit somebody over the head with a baseball bat, we might send you to the Gulag, then let them think that and let's like, have some deterrent mechanism there so I don't have to actually send them.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't have a problem. I don't threaten to say I don't like the idea of sending them to. To El Salvador. I don't have a problem with Gitmo, genuinely. I don't have a problem with Guantanamo Bay. And I also don't have a problem with. With building another supermax. Like, they want, like the one they got in Colorado, you know, turn a mountain into a. Into a prison, you know, dig a hole in it and stuff them under the mountain. I'm fine with that, you know, because there are people that. That can't be in society the way that the rest of us can. They're just too violent or they're not able, you know, they can't function in society. And they decide, you know, of their own volition to behave in ways that are just unacceptable. And so you can't be in society. You can't be in society. It's not a problem for me.

[Phil]

Did you read the Penal Colony? You know, that Kafka story?

[Libby Emmons]

No.

[Phil]

So the penal Colony, the idea is that everybody gets. Every. Every bad guy gets sent to the penal colony and then they're put basically on a spit, right? They're like suspended and their crime is tattooed on their body as they are slowly turned and the spit.

[Maggie Mota]

Fascinating.

[Phil]

Yeah, it's disgusting. It's an execution device really. But, like, you're tattooed to death with your crime. To death.

[Maggie Mota]

Death by tattoo.

[Phil]

Death by. Yeah, tattoo in the penal colony.

[Lisa]

I think if we brought back a little more drastic punishments with a little more with.

[Libby Emmons]

I see. I. When you came in today, you're like, I don't have anything to say. I don't really have fits. I'm like, B.S. you're going to be all over the night tonight.

[Lisa]

I just think that, like, if. If you have, like, if you have a little more drastic punishments and a little bit more like, like, it's done expediently. I think that they're the reason that it's not like the capital punishment isn't deterrent, is because, like, there's. You don't see the. The result of it soon with all the appeals and things like that. I think it would be more of a deterrent. Like, look at Singapore. We're trapping off hands, right?

[Phil]

Like for chewing gum.

[Lisa]

Right. Okay, cool. But their place is clean. There's not as many. And there's not as know, mass murders and kids shooting each other all the time. I mean, they're afraid of freedom of speech.

[Phil]

I mean, the. The risk of freedom is that you give up your safety.

[Lisa]

And I think that speech is different than.

[Phil]

But it's all of it.

[Lisa]

Committing crime.

[Phil]

But it's all of it. Like, I remember this talk I heard with Camille Paglia, and she was talking about how when she was in college, she was at a women's college. I think she was at Ratcliffe. Right. Cause she's a super genius. So she was at Radcliffe. And the women's dorms had curfews, and they had to be back in the dorm by some early time, and the boys could stay out all. So the women were pissed. And they were like, hey, that's not fair. And the school was like, well, we're just doing this for your protection. And she said, I have the right to go out and have something terrible happen to me because I would rather have my freedom than your protection and limits on my freedom. And that's what America is, right? We have our freedoms.

[Lisa]

I don't feel that way. I think that men and women are wildly different and that women should be treated differently and women should have more restrictions on them than men.

[Phil]

Oh, I totally.

[Lisa]

My daughter's not allowed to go to college.

[Phil]

Your daughter's.

[Lisa]

I don't. I'm not encouraging her to go to college now. Why? So I can spend $200,000 to let her go get drunk and get, like, be a pegboard? No, she's not going.

[Phil]

That's.

[Maggie Mota]

I think anyone raised will know better. You know, she better.

[Lisa]

But, like, I definitely think that women should be a little, like, here I am talking. Right. But whatever. That's kind of how my life fell into things. But I really do think that, like, women do need a little protection and we should kind of, you know, we should put those boundaries in place a little bit more than we have now because look. Look at what it's gotten us. Well, women are. Women are discussing.

[Phil]

There's parents being strict, and then there's women not having equality under the law. And those are two very different things.

[Lisa]

I don't know if I like total equality under law.

[Maggie Mota]

And I think women should have freedom, but we should also understand what the risks are and be really realistic.

[Phil]

Our boys have freedom, they know what the risks are and some of them go out.

[Libby Emmons]

But society doesn't want that. People, Society doesn't want that. And it's not. You can't deny the fact that like, like society has said that women want, Are going to be enfranchised, they're going to have the ultimate liberty that men have, but at the same time they want special treatment. And that's something.

[Phil]

See a lot of what special treatment.

[Lisa]

He's right.

[Phil]

There's like, there's.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, first of all things, first thing things like the draft and stuff like that. So there's. They're. They don't get, they're not, they're not capable of serving in the military the way that men are. Right. So they can't.

[Lisa]

And they're a distraction.

[Phil]

My son's friend, my son's friend who's a girl, they, you know, they have like a whole group chat and she was pissed today when she found out that she would not be permitted to register for the draft. She was very angry about it, really. Feminism, power to this girl.

[Lisa]

Pouring into people's brains. There's so many covert, my mom's, I love you, mom. But like even, like there's certain things like, you know, have your own bank account, do this. You can, you can be in the drift. You can like, no, no, you're women. Go have babies. Go do what God wanted you to do. Go take care of it, nurture people.

[Phil]

It's not for everybody. I mean, it doesn't have.

[Lisa]

Not for everybody. It used to be for the majority of women until feminism poisoned everybody's brains. And then everybody feels like they have to work, they have to achieve something, that they have to show whatever. I, I was felt into that.

[Libby Emmons]

So feminism has sold society a lie that you can be a CEO and you can be a mom of four and you can do them both equally and you can do them both at the same time.

[Maggie Mota]

You can work and have K. I. Just one thing I wish we would do is teach women how to find careers where you can do both. Like what I do for work, I can totally do.

[Libby Emmons]

No, they all want, they, they want to be Iron Man. I don't want to be as well.

[Maggie Mota]

I don't want to be Iron Man. You know, like, I, I chose My path, I chose not to be the CEO, girl, boss. And a lot of women are finding out that's not for them. Yeah, that's so. I think a lot of women underestimate, like, you know, how much, how fulfilling work can be when you're choosing your path and it fits into your life.

[Lisa]

But look at this. We're just talking about teens and kids and everybody's a little more violent. People are detached, they're on their cell phones. Like all these things. What is the result of that? Right? Like, what does that come from? That comes from people thinking that they can do it all and not focusing on their children and the things that are important.

[Libby Emmons]

All right, so listen, we're gonna. Anyways, we're at this. And we're jump to this story here. Nicholas Decker is a student. I'm not sure where he's a student, but he posted this on Twitter earlier today and it's got a boatload of views. It's at 5.1 million views. And all of my friends were sharing this and basically dunking on the guy because, well, I mean, look at him. But his tweet says the ultimate source of political power is and always will be violence. If the present administration should continue on its course, there is no choice but war. I say this out of sorrow. When must we kill them? And he wrote a whole big old piece on Substack about when, apparently when he believes violence is acceptable. And of course it's. It's from a left leaning perspective. It is the Donald Trump is the big boogeyman. And again, this, this speaks to the, the point that Libby brought up earlier, that 55% of Democrats believe that violence is acceptable to some degree. And I think that they probably only say to some degree because most people are a little apprehensive about saying, yeah, let's go cut their heads off. You know, like, nobody wants to come out and say that.

[Lisa]

They do say it, though. I was just filming on the street in Philly with James. Real quick. This is.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, nothing to say, right?

[Lisa]

I know.

[Maggie Mota]

I was right.

[Lisa]

We were filming. We were literally filming on the street. And we were asking people if they're okay with the Tesla violence and everything like that. And the man goes, he goes, you know, sometimes that's what you have to do. Look at the French Revolution. He was like, they were using the guillotine, right? And so James asks him, he goes, so do you think it's. We should, you know, is it okay if, like, if we do the guillotine to Elon Musk? And the guy was like, yeah. And then a sentence later, and he's like, I have, like, totally centrist, moderate views. Like, he literally said that. Like, they don't even realize how insane they are. Like, none of them realize that.

[Libby Emmons]

See, this is why, this is why people really should actually watch the videos from the mechanics. Mexican cartels, because that's what they're talking about. That's what you get, right? Like, you don't. You. There is, like I said earlier, the. The left seems to think that there is a volume knob on violence. And that's not how it works. You don't get to say, oh, okay, it's a little too rich for me now, so I'm going to turn it down. And there's a phrase when it comes to the military and in war that, that you hear all the time. The bad guy gets a vote too. Once you open that box, right, once both sides have said, okay, this is the course of action that we're taking, you don't get to say, oh, wait a minute, that's too much. And, and for too many, like, too many people don't understand that. It's not Lexington and Concord. It's not gonna be, you know, red coats versus the blue coats. It's not gonna be like that. What it'll end up being is cartel violence. It'll be like the mob violence, violence. It won't be anything pretty. So these kind of things, in my opinion, they're just totally, totally ridiculous to even entertain. Like, you should not be talking about this stuff. But again, we live in a world where there were two. Two, you know, attempts on the, on the President's life during the. What's it called? And the Democrats have changed zero. There are, there are multiple very big accounts on X that I, that I can think of that are constantly saying Trump's a Nazi, constantly making the, the comparisons to the, to Germany in the, in the 30s. And it, it does not stop. Keith Olbermann, Rachel Bytecofer, there's a bunch of people that are consistently making the same kind of allegations. And when you hear that over and over, you get ridiculous stuff like this. I'm going to read the first paragraph here. Evil has come to America. The present administration is engaged in barbarism. It has arbitrarily imprisoned its opponents. That's just not true. There are no political opponents that are imprisoned. Revoke the visas of thousands of students. Well, their visas, I mean, that's not all that big of a deal. Impose taxes upon us without our consent.

[Phil]

What?

[Libby Emmons]

That's this they do. It's totally detached from reality and seeks to destroy the institutions which oppose it. Its leader has threatened those who produce unfavorable coverage and suggested that their licenses be revoked. It has deprived us in many cases of trial by jury. That's just not true. It has subject. Subjected us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution and has transported us beyond seas to be imprisoned for pretended offenses. That's not true either. He's talking about the. The Maryland man. We have a media that encourages this, that continues to feed this narrative.

[Phil]

Media Research center did a study of the coverage of Garcia versus the coverage of Rachel Morin, and there was like 100% more coverage of Garcia than Rachel Morin. Because what the media enterprises want to do is set this up as a example as to why there should be no deportations. And what I think is really important to realize is that the administration that came before Trump encouraged all of this illegal immigration with absolutely no intention of sending anybody home ever, at any time, for any reason. You know, so now it's like surge the border. Yeah. So now that was the whole point. And so now when you have people like this doofus who are saying, you know, political opponents are being imprisoned, and what he's talking about are criminals who are being told finally to leave, you know, and judges who are coming out and saying, oh, you can't just terminate temporary protective status for half a million people. You can't just deport people without due process. We have 10 million extra people in this country. Right. That came in under Biden.

[Libby Emmons]

More than that, but go ahead.

[Phil]

But let's just go with 10 million. Right? Because.

[Lisa]

Still wild.

[Phil]

It's still wild, but just under Biden who came in. Cause it was like over 2 million a year by the official count, by the Biden administration's own count. So, you know already that's. It's going to be way more, but you have all of these people come in. How long would it take to give due process to 10 million people? It would take centuries, like, literal centuries. And so when you had the Biden administration trying to push that bill through Congress, what was it last June, saying that we needed more judges, more immigration judges. They wanted more judges so they could get more people in. And at the same time as they were doing that, they were cutting off cases, they were saying, okay, don't even bother contacting these people about their court date. Just get rid of these court dates. They were implementing a semi gray, a semi legal status system for people that they wanted in the country to do the labor to support the laptop class.

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah, I have some concerns about due process, specifically as it pertains to sending people to sea code.

[Libby Emmons]

This is where I turn into Darth Vader. I don't have any concerns if you're not a citizen.

[Maggie Mota]

I do, I, I do think that I, I also have concerns with the fact that we have a ton of people that are here illegally and our immigration courts are totally backed up. My genuine wish, sincerest wish, is that there is a way to speed up that process for deportations. However, sending people to El Salvador to the, this prison, that's not really, I love it run by us.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm completely fine with sending people from El Salvador back to El Salvador and what happens to them when they're in El Salvador is not my problem.

[Maggie Mota]

But if we're funding it, does it become our problem?

[Libby Emmons]

No, because we're getting them out of here. This is a, this is, and I've said this multiple times on the show, this is a creation of the Democrats and Joe Biden. It was intentional on their part. They used the Health and Human Services Department to move these people around the country in an effort to affect the census and affect congressional representation. They wanted, they had people come in and they wanted to use these asylum seekers which were illegal asylum seekers because they didn't go to port of entrance. They were coming over wherever they could get over. And as soon as they ran into a border patrol agent, they said they were seeking asylum. That's illegal. That means they go right back. This was a plan by the Democrat Party in an effort to install the Democrat Party as a permanent one party system in the United States that disenfranchises millions of Americans, takes away all of their political power. These people deserve far worse than they're going to get. But the people that are here, and I'm talking about the politicians and the, and the, and the, the NGOs and the people in the administration the, that facilitated this. But the people that have been brought here, that have been helped by NOS to come up over dairy, the Darien Gap, through Mexico, all of those people need to go. Every, every single one, every single one that we can get rid of. And if there are mistakes made, those people that were in error can petition the government from somewhere else. This is not something that the American people should be punished with because again, this is taking away political power from Americans. Bor in America. It's taking that power away, using their own money to do it by the elected officials that they elected. This is a, not just a dereliction of duty. It is absolutely counter to the best interests of the American people. And I don't think that it counts as treason. I'm not sure what the. What. What the exact term would be, but using the. The money of the American people in an effort to dilute the political power of the American people is. Is abhorrent to anything that any American would agree with. The people that are here illegally need to go, and I don't care about due process. Send them home.

[Phil]

It's not just that either. I mean, it's not just the political power, which. I assume you're talking about congressional districts, right?

[Libby Emmons]

Yes. They're looking to redistrict, and they're also looking to turn purple states blue.

[Maggie Mota]

Problematic.

[Phil]

And that's. Yeah, I mean, that's a big problem, too. But there's a lot of other issues as well, because Chuck Schumer said outright that America needs illegal immigrants in order to replace Americans because we have low birth rate. He said that in September of 2024. He said that in a press conference. It's not a conspiracy theory. This is what Chuck Schumer said. Senator, Democrat, senator from New York.

[Libby Emmons]

You had aoc, the Browning of America. The phrases, the thing. And then when. When. If you are. And if you were a white person that said, oh, they're trying to replace us, you're a racist. They hit you with all of this.

[Phil]

You're, like, demonetized on YouTube.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, exactly. When they would say the ex. Exact same thing. There was times where Rachel Maddow like.

[Phil]

It and they say it, it's okay. And if you don't like it and you say it, then you're the problem. You also had Jasmine Crockett out there saying that we need illegal immigrants to do all of these menial jobs. She said, and I quote, we done picking cotton.

[Lisa]

I was just like, yeah, we want.

[Maggie Mota]

To create a second class.

[Phil]

We want to create a second class of.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't know whether to love or.

[Phil]

Hate that woman with dodgy legal status who have to do these jobs. And you also had, lest anyone forget, you had Barack Obama out there when he was doing his campaign for president and he was quoting Cesar Chavez. Does everyone remember this? Sisay Puede remember Cesar Chavez. Cesar Chavez is a California labor organizer. He went out there into the strawberry fields, a lot of Mexicans picking strawberries. And what would happen is they were picking strawberries in the valleys, and the. The farmers would put pesticides out and herbicides out to, like, you know, protect the strawberries. All of those pesticides would Roll down into the val. Mexicans would be picking it. They'd get sick. Not great. Like, that's not good. Right? So Cesar Chavez goes out there and he says, you know, we need union. We need to organize. We need to become a union. We need to fight for the rights of workers so that they can go out and pick strawberries without getting sick. Okay, cool. Totally on board, pro union, whatever. Chavez was entirely 100% opposed to illegal immigration. Why? Because it undercut American wages. It undercut the wages of the people that he was organizing. And these people came in and were used as strike busters, you know, and then they would come in and take the work.

[Maggie Mota]

So the get thrown to the wolves for sure. Because they can't advocate for themselves.

[Phil]

Right. And they have no legal standing. So you have Democrats simultaneously sucking the teat of labor and gobbling up all of their money and undercutting labor and going against labor. It's no, it's no surprise that when we had the April 5th hands off rally and we had all the labor leaders out there talking, it's no surprise that every sing one of those labor leaders were leaders of government unions. These were government workers that they are representing. They're not representing actual labor. The UAW wasn't out there. The Teamsters, who also represent, like, what a huge swath of hospitality. I think they weren't out there. You know, that's not like the Democrats are feeding us lines about Sisay puede and about labor and about workers, but they don't actually care. They just want someone to deliver their crap to their house so they can sit on their couch and look at their laptop and tap their fingernails or whatever else the hell it is they do.

[Libby Emmons]

I think a big portion of it is they believe that they're doing the right thing by.

[Phil]

It's a moral thing because they have no God other than themselves. And so if they think they're doing good, then they believe they're good people and that's enough. I mean, these are people who do yoga and think that makes you a good person. Like, that is ludicrous. That's just out of control.

[Lisa]

Makes you flexible, actually, just demonic in general. It's not even good.

[Phil]

Like, it doesn't make you a good person. Like, be being vegan doesn't make you a good person. Neither does, like, doing a nice bike ride. That doesn't make you good. It just, you know, it makes you, like, I don't know, going back to.

[Lisa]

Due process for a second. He's an. He's from El Salvador.

[Maggie Mota]

Yes.

[Lisa]

He comes here illegally. Forget whatever he did, Right. If they. If El Salvador wanted to extradite him back, right. And we had an extradite thing, we could do that. He doesn't need to hear a court. They clearly want to keep him. They clearly want to keep him. So. So why, if it's their citizen and they want him there, why do we need to go through this whole rigmarole to send him back when he doesn't belong here and his government wants him there?

[Phil]

What's interesting, too, is when they talk about the administrative error. Right. They were talking about, oh, he was sent back by mistake. What they mean by sent back by mistake is that he was sent to El Salvador because in the original, I think it was the 2019 protective order, it said that he could get sent somewhere, but he shouldn't go to El Salvador because his mother was being extradited at her, you know, ex. Not extradited.

[Lisa]

But those gangs are gone, right?

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah. They're in the prison.

[Libby Emmons]

They sent. They sent him extorted. That. The gangs are.

[Lisa]

But they're. You've seen that prison. You've seen inside of there. Nick Shirley did a great expose on it. Nobody's fighting in there. Nobody's gonna kill him in there.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Lisa]

It is. It is so regimented in there, and they're. Are. There are no gangs to hurt him. They are all under so much control there. Have you seen the video?

[Libby Emmons]

Seen pictures I haven't seen?

[Lisa]

Oh, no, go watch Nick Shirley's YouTube on it. Like, okay, nothing's going to happen.

[Libby Emmons]

So there's. I want to get back to the. The violence here in the US and there's one thing that I. I saw in this. This kid's essay. It says if these actions become normal, the government could arrest anyone and deport them to a prison in a foreign land without hope of redress for no reason.

[Maggie Mota]

True.

[Libby Emmons]

So first of all. Okay, so first of all, legally, that's. You're correct, it's not true. Legally. But honestly, everyone knows that if the government wants to do those things, they're gonna do them. Right.

[Lisa]

So they have a monopoly on force.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. They have the monopoly on violence. We hope that we have the ability to use lawyers and the law and courts to. To prevent. Not to prevent that, but to get us back, get us out of that situation. But if they want you, you. The government is just going to come take you, and you. You can. The evidence of that is the. The raids of people's homes over all kinds of different things. The fact that the government constantly violates the Fourth Amendment when it comes to civil asset forfeiture. I know you love that one. Absolutely. You know, the, the violations of the Second Amendment. The, the, the, the, the attempts to have, what was, they called them free speech zones on campuses where you, you weren't allowed to say whatever you wanted area. The government will do any number of things to violate your rights. And only, well, we only have that government.

[Phil]

Was that government or was that universities?

[Maggie Mota]

Those are mostly universities.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Maggie Mota]

Was it fight fair enough codes on campuses? 10 times out of 10, it was the university saying we have free speech. And then it's like, but only in this hour.

[Phil]

And unless they're Jews.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, yeah, well, fair, fair enough on, on that particular point. But it's not like the government has any compunction about going to your house, kicking in your door, and pulling you out or just killing you. There was a guy that the ATF killed over Montana. Pardon me?

[Phil]

Montana.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think. I thought he was in Florida.

[Phil]

Oh, well, there's been a bunch.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. But, yeah, to my point, you know, Utah. Okay. You know, but the point being the government has no compunction with, with going and ripping you out of your home for whatever reason. They, they feel. So the, the idea that, oh, you know, we're protected now, and then Donald Trump is going to make things dangerous.

[Maggie Mota]

It's such a ridiculous fact that there's a bigger microscope on what the Trump administration is doing. So I highly doubt that an American citizen is going to get ripped out of the country, deported to El Salvador, and then not be brought back. It did happen once to an American man, I think, in 2012, who was mentally disabled, and he was, like, wandering around Mexico for a while, but they got him back.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Maggie Mota]

You know, and it has happened before, but not under Donald Trump.

[Libby Emmons]

And fair enough. It sucks if it does. Right? Fine, fine. I agree. And I don't want to see that happen to innocent people. But more than that, I don't want to see, you know, an endless train of illegals coming into the country, staying in the country. I don't want to see a government that is completely lawless. So this kid talking about, oh, all of these things that the Trump administration has done and is going to do and, and questioning when is it acceptable for violence. I mean, this is something that we, me and Tim talk about. And I came up with an a phrase that's, where's the off ramp? If kids are writing stuff like that and people believe these things, they really do believe it. And that's really do.

[Maggie Mota]

And it's like normal people. You know, you said the centrist, the self proclaimed centrist was saying it's fine to, to do that to Elon Musk Wild.

[Phil]

We have real, that's, we've breaking news.

[Libby Emmons]

What's happening.

[Phil]

We have breaking news. Yeah. Garcia, who we were just talking about has a tweet from the President of El Salvador.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Phil]

President Bukele Kilmar Abrego Garcia miraculously risen from the death camps and torture, now sipping margaritas with Senator Van Holland in the tropical paradise of El Salvador. Here's some photographs of this guy.

[Maggie Mota]

Literal photo shoot.

[Lisa]

First of all, with the, he needs to get done for the Logan Act.

[Libby Emmons]

So with, yeah, so with the Maryland senator. Right, right. Yes, that's who he's, who he's with this guy. If I understand correctly, this guy has done absolutely nothing for any of the people in Baltimore that are victims of tons of violence, tons of violence. And he then can go to El Salvador for a guy that's not even an American. So I, I agree with you, Lisa. He should definitely, definitely should go undermining.

[Lisa]

The foreign policy interests of the United States and he should be arrested immediately. You know what? That's what I want to see. I don't want to see people at ufc. I don't want to see Pam Bondi on Fox News every night. I want to see people arrested for things like this. I want to see as many lawsuits as many, anything that you can do. I want to see more.

[Libby Emmons]

We've talked about this, actually.

[Lisa]

More, way more.

[Libby Emmons]

There, there are, it is, it is, there are a lot of people that are, that are saying, oh, you know, there's a lot of people that are saying that, oh, the, the administration is not doing enough, they haven't done anything, et cetera, et cetera. And I am of the opinion that the administration is aware of the desires of their base and I believe that they're also working to do the things that the base wants. And the reason, and the reason you haven't heard anything is because if they talk about it on the Internet, Internet, it blows the investigation.

[Lisa]

You can at least say there's stuff coming.

[Libby Emmons]

Literally. Dan Bongino did okay. There's a tweet that he said, look, just because you're not seeing it doesn't mean that it's not happening. And you're the person I'm talking about, Lisa.

[Lisa]

It's not, I, I, I, I just think we only have about a year, year and a half to get 100% things seriously done before midterms come and.

[Libby Emmons]

We have less than a year and a half.

[Lisa]

It is not like, like it is not like they didn't have all the evidence for all these years for a lot of things. We've had numerous investigations, we've had numerous congressional hearings on these things. It's not like they didn't have it. Well, it's not hard to.

[Libby Emmons]

This is something that we also talked about, the fact that, that Trump has removed people's clearances. Those are, those are moves that, that indicate something is happening.

[Lisa]

So again, a little impatient because I've seen, I've been let down so many times and seen nothing happen and then be completely feckless and I'm just hoping that that's not the case.

[Maggie Mota]

The Epstein files I think definitely caused. That was a terrible, that was a bad move.

[Phil]

Really bad rollout.

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Phil]

I think there's a good chance the Epstein files don't exist.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Lisa]

Fair anymore.

[Phil]

Yeah. Well also it was analog. These were all analog files. So to the extent that they do exist, they were probably drowned in some subway flood in Brooklyn years ago. Go.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. All right, we're going to go on to this story from the Post. Millennial breaking Carmela Anthony's reps call police on Austin Metcalf's father for attending press conference after his boy was stabbed to death. From the Post. Millennial representatives for Caramel Anthony in his murder case in the killing of 17 year old Austin Metcalf called the police on Metcalf's father for showing up to a Thursday press conference that they were holding. According to ABC8 the next generation action Network, which is a Dallas based activist group that has taken on the role of publicly defending Anthony, called the police and asked Jeff Metcalf to be removed from the scene. Anthony was released from jail and placed under house arrest after being charged with the murder of Austin Metcalf. Anthony admitted to stabbing Metcalf had a track meet. According to police, he has claimed self defense in the case and has garnered national media attention. I don't think you could possibly do make a worse move this man whose son is dead at the hands of the defendant here who also said look, I don't want to see this turned into a racial thing. I want you know, he was looking for a, the best way to handle it that he could the least with the least malice and the most cherished. And then he shows up here and they decide they're gonna kick him out. What's let's he was probably going to be nice.

[Lisa]

What's this video probably going to, like, make amends like that. Seems like what his whole MO has been. Anyway. This was just totally disgusting.

[Libby Emmons]

Libby, what's this video here? It's just him being walked out.

[Phil]

Yeah. We should watch.

[Maggie Mota]

Dude, this was why you can't be charitable. I'm sorry.

[Phil]

Yeah. The police took.

[Maggie Mota]

Disgusting how they're treating this guy's dad. He said it was disrespectful for him to show up.

[Lisa]

How about it's disrespectful that his son stabbed somebody?

[Maggie Mota]

It's disrespectful that they're bringing out this Dominique Alexander guy who's trying to cosplay as a civil rights leader over a murder case.

[Phil]

Some old weird stuff with this guy.

[Maggie Mota]

Yes. So I was looking into him. He, you know, like there was some case where he was babysitting his girlfriend's toddler, and the kid ended up sustaining a bunch of injuries and he admitted to shaking the baby.

[Phil]

That's not good.

[Maggie Mota]

He also was. His girlfriend reported him for domestic assault. Waltz.

[Lisa]

He's been always the bottom of the.

[Maggie Mota]

Bag, thrown in jail.

[Phil]

And this is the representative.

[Maggie Mota]

Forgery.

[Phil]

Carmelo Anthony's family.

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah. So this guy is the last person I would bring in if I'm trying to prove to everyone that my son is nonviolent and also credible. Like, you bring in a guy with a history of violence who's, you know, gone to jail over forgery. I'm sorry.

[Libby Emmons]

And to that. To that point, the Post Millennial reports Carmel Anthony's rep blames Frisco School District weather for fatal stabbing death of Austin Metcalfe. This guy is gonna botch this so bad that even though I didn't think that Carmelo Anthony was going to get the death penalty, I think that he might end up getting the death penalty because of his poor representation. Like, I. I assume he's probably would get 25 years.

[Phil]

No, the death penalty was taken off the table.

[Lisa]

He can't. He can't have it. He can.

[Libby Emmons]

So he's going to end up in jail for life then because.

[Lisa]

Well, life with the possibility.

[Phil]

Also taken off the table.

[Lisa]

Yeah, you.

[Libby Emmons]

He can.

[Lisa]

Well, he can have life with the possibility of parole. They can give him that, but they can't give him life without the possibility of parole.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, well, with this kind of representation.

[Maggie Mota]

Totally the wrong way.

[Libby Emmons]

I mean.

[Phil]

Yeah, they kicked him out. And then the. This guy was also. The representative was also talking about how the weather was to blame.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Phil]

For the. For the attack.

[Libby Emmons]

Did you write this piece?

[Phil]

No.

[Libby Emmons]

No. All right. So the Post. From the Post Millennial. A representative for Carmelo Anthony placed blame on the Frisco Independent School District as well as the weather for the murder suspect stabbing Austin Metcalf to death at a district track meet earlier this month. While Dominique Alexander was speaking to reporters on Thursday, he said that Frisco ISD is trying to push off the blame because the school district isn't taking steps to expel Anthony, insinuating that the school district was to blame for the stabbing. He then added, what I have not heard the media say, as many media outlets asked us what went on. I'm trying to find how many of y'all have asked the superintendent on one of these board of trustees, why didn't you cancel or postpone? With weather in that magnitude, you couldn't have attract me in the rain or thunderstorms or cloud.

[Lisa]

Let me tell you.

[Maggie Mota]

Rain.

[Libby Emmons]

Hold on, hold on. It gets a little better. Y'all are the media. Ask your journalist, your weather journalist how the weather was that day and that time. Y'all do that research because a person who is the administrator of your children, you are responsible for the safety of the children. And so it seems that Frisco ISD is trying to push this off by making this decision that they do not have to make. He said in reference to Anthony getting expelled. This is insane, Insane, okay? To, to, to blame the weather for behavior.

[Lisa]

And this video comes out, and this.

[Libby Emmons]

Is something that I have a real bad problem with people, especially people on the left in the United States, when it comes to actions, they tend to look for any other reason aside from the individual that acted. Right. And I, I actually went, went through this last night. You see it with, with some international issues as well, with the Ukraine war. It's not Putin' fault. It's because of the US or because of the Ukraine. In Israel, it's, it's, it's not the, the Hamas's fault, it's Israel's fault. The idea that the people that actually carry out the violence aren't to blame, that they're, they're victims somehow. That's something the left does all the time. And you heard about it. I mean, soldier Nissan wrote about it in, in the Glug Archipelago. It would. If you're a normal person and you have a knife, well, you're the bad guy. But if there's a criminal, criminal that has a knife and uses it, well, he's a criminal. He didn't. And he ended up there, you know, because of circumstance, etc. So the left is constantly making excuses for people that have the ability to make decisions on their own, that have agency. And in this case, it's no different.

[Lisa]

I want. Go back to that, but in a minute. But I just want to talk about the ring because I talked to somebody. A whistleblower called me about this when they said there was no video. And somebody told me about the video that they watched. And this is verified. So, like, I verified my source. Anyway, he wasn't just running to get out of the rain. He didn't just jump into a tent to get out of the rain. He walked past one tent, he walked past another tent. He walked up the bleachers, back down the bleachers, around Metclef's tent, and then sat in his tent. And so it's not like this. You'll see when the video comes out, but it is not like he was just dodging in a tent to get out of the rain. Like they're trying to make it seem that's. That's just not true. So wait to. Wait to see that. But then in the meantime, you finish.

[Maggie Mota]

I still don't understand how this escalated to a knife getting pulled and someone.

[Lisa]

This culture, like, it's respectable.

[Phil]

The knife on purpose. He brought the knife, clearly on purpose, with the intent to use it. And as soon as he was picked up afterwards, he said, no, I did this.

[Libby Emmons]

I am interested in seeing, like, what kind of.

[Phil]

I wonder if he was intending to kill him or if he was just intending to stab him, but he stabbed him right in the heart, stabbed him in the chest.

[Lisa]

Yeah, it is. It is just the culture that says, you dissed me, you disrespected me, you told me to leave, you embarrassed me, you pushed me, you deserve to die. That is becoming more and more prevalent, like I've said a million times, and nobody seems to care or notice or want to talk about it.

[Libby Emmons]

See, I don't. I don't think that it's. I mean, maybe it is becoming more and more prevalent, but I don't feel like. Like it's. It's new. I remember back. You know, I remember. I remember back when I was a kid, you could. You would hear stories about people getting killed for their Jordans, you know? Yeah, of course it's not. So I don't think that it doesn't happen. No, it hasn't happened.

[Lisa]

It is just. I promise I'm going to send you a whole thing when we get done. I'm going to send you tons of stories and in order. But it is. It is To a different level. If you look at right now, I just Google, like, teens. Teen.

[Libby Emmons]

Like, how busy right now?

[Lisa]

Oh, well, I forgot. You can't multitask. But, like, if you really look up, like, how many teens are. Are dying from shooting and violent deaths like that, it. They. The numbers are skyrocketing, like, at an abnormal level.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay, well, I. I don't. I don't think you're wrong. I just.

[Lisa]

We think it is. There's just more people.

[Libby Emmons]

No, I know. I. I think that. I think that it's. I think that it's godless. It's probably more. It's probably. Is more intense now than it. Than it's probably been. Go ahead.

[Maggie Mota]

Youth gun Deaths in the US have surged 50% since 2019.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Is that.

[Maggie Mota]

This is 2023.

[Lisa]

Yeah, it's. It's been brutal.

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah. It's on the rise.

[Libby Emmons]

So is that because of. Is that. I was under the impression that there was a lot of that because of COVID And then the. The.

[Maggie Mota]

It definitely jumped in 2020 because they.

[Lisa]

Were buying guns with their stimulus check.

[Maggie Mota]

But, like, it's remained consistent extent.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Maggie Mota]

Since. So.

[Libby Emmons]

All right, so Serge just brought this up for me. In 2020, the homicide rate for youth under 18 in the US was 37 below the peak in 1993. 1993 is when I was talking about. Because that's when I was 18. That's when all of gangster rap really kind of exploded onto the scene. So it, like this kind of does kind of give a. Give a point to my point of. Of back in the 90s, there was considerable violence, and we really have gone through a significant decline in violence in the past 30 years up until 2020. But it goes on. But still, in 2020, the homicide rate for youth under 18 in the US was 37% lower than the peak in 1993, but still saw 1,777 victims. This age group represents about 8% of all murder victims that year. Globally, approximately 193,000 homicides occur among those aged 15 to 29 each year. Year, making it the leading cause of death for this age group according to the who. So. Yeah, but I don't disagree with you. I don't think that you're wrong about the increase since. Since 2020. That's something that we've actually heard multiple times. Those. Those stats. Because Covid and because of the. I apparently maybe this. The stimulus checks. I'm not. Go ahead.

[Lisa]

Here we go. Here's another one. Trends in juvenile offending. What you need to Know, homicides perpetrated by juveniles jump 65%. Like, here, I'll send it to, I'll send it to search. But like, it's, it's literally out of control. You don't have to, you could look it up later, but like, I'm gonna send it to you.

[Libby Emmons]

Like I said, I don't, I don't dis disbelieve you. But like the, it's my sense that.

[Lisa]

My kids hang around with those kids, you know what I mean? Or be at the park when they go shoot seven of them.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, again, you live in the city too.

[Maggie Mota]

Atlanta. So I see a lot.

[Libby Emmons]

You live in Atlanta?

[Maggie Mota]

I live in Atlanta and I'm from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Shout out to Louisiana. Yeah, it's bad. It's really, really bad. And I think this goes back to the conversation we were having earlier about how young people don't value human life anymore. But in general, I think the rules of engagement have deteriorated across society. Like, people think that violence, theft, murder, any, any problem of violence, everything. Yeah, they believe that it's an acceptable form of engaging with others society. Now that, now that we've passed that point. See now.

[Libby Emmons]

So.

[Maggie Mota]

But how do you put the cat back in the bag?

[Libby Emmons]

Okay, like, you're all kids and so I know that I, I am, I am age, like dating myself here. But you know, crime did peak in the 90s and for definitely all of your life and most of your life. And Libby's a little younger than me.

[Lisa]

I was kind of young in 93, but.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, you were definitely kind of young. But the point that I'm making is crime has been going down. Right? So there's, and, and granted there has been like, there was definitely a decrease in the death rate partially because of, you know, the ability of people to call from cell phones and stuff like that that you can call for help and, and things like that that affected how many people actually got, you know, how many assaults turned into murders. Because, you know, if you can, if you get shot and you can call, call the, the cops, they come and help you out, you know, most of the time.

[Phil]

And so that have really gone down in the past. Response times have really gone down, have.

[Libby Emmons]

Gone down, you know, and also, to be honest with you, the, the ability to deal with traumatic industry in, in injury is much greater now specifically because of the war on terror. They learned a lot from, from all the dudes getting shot and stuff in the war on terror in, in the early aughts. But until the, until 2020, it had been going Down. So this is, is not something that we've experienced a lot, you know, or, or has you got, you guys haven't.

[Maggie Mota]

First time in my life.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Like, I remember when I was young, you know, there was, it was even.

[Lisa]

Like 12 and 13 year olds.

[Phil]

What?

[Lisa]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, 13 year olds shooting each other.

[Libby Emmons]

Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, look, look, drugs, gangs and have always used young about drugs. It doesn't matter.

[Phil]

Well, it could be about whatever.

[Lisa]

This is what I'm saying there. This, it's across the board, especially on the left. It's especially with young people, especially with young black people too. But it is, it is something in our society that says there's human life, doesn't matter if we don't like you.

[Libby Emmons]

That was something, that was something that was, that was a phenomenon. That this is not new. So I'm not saying that it might, it seems more intense now, but again, in the 90s, the, the, the gang wars and all of the stuff that you heard when it came to, you know, Southern California rap. Right. Like all the rap that I grew up listening, all the stuff like Dr. Dre, like they were talking about, I'll kill you just for looking at me the wrong way. That kind of attitude is some resurgence.

[Maggie Mota]

Then MS.13 form in that environment.

[Lisa]

Yes.

[Maggie Mota]

Like within that context, probably, I think.

[Libby Emmons]

But I mean, look there.

[Phil]

Yeah. Ms. 13 was formed in, I believe, a California prison.

[Libby Emmons]

You can get shot for wearing Crips and Bloods were killing each other in the 90s, and you could get shot for wearing the wrong color in the wrong part of town. Like that was a real thing in the 90s. So I, I, not that I want to say you're wrong, but I don't think that it's a, it's such a new phenomena. I think that it's an upsurge since 2020.

[Maggie Mota]

What about political violence?

[Libby Emmons]

Well, the political violence. Different political. I don't think it's not different either because there were like Congress got bombed in the 80s.

[Phil]

There were.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. In the 70s. We, we looked into it and there was 2500 bombers Cummings in the, in 1971-72, Oklahoma City. Yeah, that was in the 90s.

[Lisa]

I think it's an overall decline in like morality across the board, like that. They both don't have the same underlying.

[Phil]

I think that's been going on for a long time.

[Lisa]

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I think, I think that. But I think it's getting worse over time. And I think, I don't remember politics. I don't know, 10, 15 years ago, being this heated, this violent, politics has gotten pretty extreme.

[Phil]

Politics, that level of divisiveness.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I agree about the politics has, has re. The, the level of divisiveness has increased significantly. There was a time where in the US you could say I don't really pay attention to politics and there wasn't the stigma of you being a bad person for it. Right. Because nowadays if you say I don't really pay attention to politics, people are like, how can you not pay attention when there is a femicide going on in the Gongo?

[Maggie Mota]

Oh, even where they, they know you voted for Trump.

[Libby Emmons]

If, oh, yeah, that's another one. Exactly. If it, it's, it's like a Kafka trap, you know, if you, if you say, oh, I don't pay attention, well, then that's confirmation that you're a Trumper or whatever. So I do think that that's a new thing, but I don't think that it's, it's, it's that that politics is, is what, what is that?

[Lisa]

What now?

[Libby Emmons]

Anyways.

[Lisa]

All right, so notes earlier.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. We're going to go to this story, which is actually some Good news. The U.S. is withdrawing hundreds of troops from Syria. From the New York Times. The end of the Assad era has reduced some threats, but the Islamic State has shown renewed strength in the country. Well, that's because the Islamic State is now the people in charge. They won.

[Phil]

I think it's a good idea to get Americans out of harm's way over there.

[Libby Emmons]

Sure. Yeah. The United States has started drawing down hundreds of troops from northern Syria in a reflection of the shifting security environment in the country since the present, since the fall of President Bashar al Assad in December. But also a move that carries risk. The military is shuttering three of its eight small operating bases in the country's northeast, reducing troop, troop levels to about 1400 from 2000. The senior two senior US officials said the bases are mission support site, Green Village, MSS, Euphrates, and a third much smaller facility. After 60 days, the officials said, American commanders will assess whether to make additional cuts. Commanders have recommended keeping at least 500 U.S. troops in Syria. Syria. One official has said. Now these guys that are in Syria. First of all, right, this is, is an. A direct contradiction to what Kamala Harris said on the campaign trail, that there was no U. S. Forces in other countries. She completely. Oh, yeah, not only did she say that, but there was, There were guys. Yeah, I mean, it was completely BS but there were no U. S. Forces in War zones, I think, was the actual.

[Lisa]

That was a funny video. And they're like, where are we right now?

[Libby Emmons]

And there, there was a video made by some service servicemen. They're just sitting there watching, and they're like, well, where the hell are we? Because they were overseas. So. But anyways, the. This kind of, you know, pull out by the United States. These guys that are getting, that are getting pulled out, like, these were not, you know, regular Army. These guys were combat. They were combat guys. They were probably most likely Green Berets working with local forces, or maybe they were Delta guys, guys doing direct action. And now that they're not, you know, now that Assad's not in charge, I don't know what they would be doing because the, the current government there is terrorists. They're, they're, they were formerly isis. The guy. These guys are as bad as they come come. This is not an upgrade. Bashar al Assad, I know there are people that say, oh, well, you know, Bashar al Assad, he, he was actually much, much better. He protected Christians and blah, blah, blah. And two, there is some truth to that, but he wasn't better because he was brutal and stuff. So is just different, you know, saying.

[Lisa]

He at least protected the Christians.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, but new boss, same as the old boss. Like that. So now. Now they're going after Christians, but they were going after everybody before too, you know. But it is good to see that the Trump administration still wants to do more to pull back the US US Forces from war zones. What's this? President Trump, however, has expressed deep skepticism about keeping any U.S. troops in the country, at least for now. The reductions that started on Thursday are based on ground commanders recommendations to close and consolidate bases and were approved by the Pentagon and its Central command, the official said, speaking on the condition of an anonymity to discuss operational matters. So, again, it's a good thing that the US Is getting out of, you know, war zones. But these, like, the guys that are over there, they're not dudes that are there because they don't want to be right. Again, when I say that they're Green Berets, they're the kind of, like, tier one kind of dudes. Dudes. They're tier one guys and probably support and, like, those guys are the kind of guys that are like, yo, put me in, coach. I joined the army because I want to fight bad guys. Point me at the bad guys.

[Maggie Mota]

Well, what are they doing there right now? Do we have any idea?

[Libby Emmons]

No. And that's. I think that's Part of their job.

[Lisa]

Intelligence gathering going on and whatever. But that's.

[Maggie Mota]

Bring them home.

[Phil]

We've had people in Syria for a long time.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, so do you guys have a sense that it's. It's a good thing or a bad thing thing? What's your opinion?

[Phil]

I mean, it really depends on what your perspective is. Right. What's your worldview? So it's a. It's a good thing if you think that the United States should withdraw its tendrils from all over the world and come back home and bring our troops back home and be a little bit more America focused and a little more isolationist. And it's a bad thing if you are a globalist who really wants to have America's reach in every corner of the world. World.

[Libby Emmons]

Do you think that that is the sense of a globalist or do you think that that's the sense of someone that believes that the United States have an expansive military footprint? Because I think that there is a difference between.

[Phil]

I think that. I think that the globalists and the warmongers have a lot of similarities. They want that reach. They want that. They want that. They want the hard power and they want the soft power to go along with it.

[Libby Emmons]

So.

[Phil]

So, like, for example, if you're going to do soft power operations in Syria or in the Middle east, you need a place to do them from. Right. And you need to have a little hard power there to back it up. So I think. I think those two things go hand in hand.

[Libby Emmons]

What do you think, Lisa?

[Lisa]

I think if I say what I really think, that we'll get a show taken down. But. But I'm definitely not in favor of sending any money over there or putting troops on the ground in excess or anything like that. I wouldn't spend a single dime over there anymore. However, I can't say stuff like that.

[Libby Emmons]

The chat goes wild.

[Lisa]

However, I think, well, I really don't want any money over there at all. Like, and I don't care where. Even Israel. I don't want to give my money over there either. But I really think people wildly underestimate the threat of Islam. And they do it because of whatever reason that they wildly underestimate it. They definitely. I've been doing that kind of stuff in England and in Brussels and all over the place. Widely underestimate how that can totally ruin your entire country. If I want them all over there, let them all fight each other, let them all kill each other. I don't care. Right. But I definitely think we should at least have some ears on the ground so that if they're coming over here or they're planning an attack, that we can. What I would do is just like, boop. On the whole region. But. But that's me.

[Libby Emmons]

So what. What do you.

[Maggie Mota]

What is.

[Lisa]

What is the whole reason?

[Phil]

I think we can take from context.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Boop.

[Maggie Mota]

Would you support giving asylum to Christians?

[Lisa]

Yeah. No. No, I probably wouldn't. No, actually. No.

[Maggie Mota]

So it seems to be the only reason why they could go there.

[Lisa]

They can go to Christian. They can go to. Now they have Christian countries near them. I don't want anybody else in here.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Lisa]

I want no one else in here.

[Libby Emmons]

Here.

[Lisa]

I think that we should stop immigration for the next 10 years. No. No more people in here. We're done. We're full. We're full.

[Maggie Mota]

I actually, at the end, we're done.

[Libby Emmons]

I just think there are no neighboring Christian countries.

[Phil]

And that's the problem.

[Libby Emmons]

There's not really any neighboring.

[Phil]

I mean, I mean, Israel would really be the best.

[Lisa]

Okay, keep going, though. Keep going. Is there anywhere closer than us? Yes.

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah. They also.

[Libby Emmons]

Europe's not crushing countries anymore.

[Lisa]

Yeah, true.

[Phil]

It used to be.

[Libby Emmons]

They're Poland. The only place they can go is good for Poland.

[Lisa]

Poland has the right idea. Yeah. They can go somewhere else. Don't come here.

[Libby Emmons]

So. Okay, so you made a remark about, you know, about intel, right. A lot of times. It's my understanding that if you don't have people, human intelligence, then you really don't have much. Now you can, you can do, if I understand correctly, you can do a lot with signal intelligence that's monitoring phone calls, monitoring the Internet. But the real, real payoff comes from. From human intelligence that people that know people on the ground. If you don't have people on the ground. And this was what we ran into after 9, 11. We didn't have intelligence in, you know, in Afghanistan. We didn't have a lot of intelligence. Intelligent, a lot of that, you know, in all kinds of places. Do youth. And because you specifically mentioned the threat of Islam, do you think or. Or like global jihad kind of Islam.

[Lisa]

It's common.

[Libby Emmons]

Do you think that it is the US Is better served by having those kind of assets? Or do you think that it should be a full pullback? And I think that I want to go to everybody with that.

[Lisa]

I definitely don't. I don't necessarily think boots on the ground, but I definitely think you should have people there.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, they're going to be sandals on the ground.

[Lisa]

Yeah, I think that there should be sandals on the ground, some sandals.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, the point that I'm making is.

[Lisa]

Going to be prevent threats that would be on the homeland. Like, like we don't need to manipulate their governments or deal with that. They want to. If they want to, you know, hurt each other, fine. Right. Like, you go do your thing, fight each other, who cares? But don't. But the minute that it comes here, then that's where I have an issue. And so we should have some intelligence on the ground to get some intel for that.

[Libby Emmons]

Libby, what do you think?

[Phil]

You know, I'm not sure. I think, I think it makes sense to have intelligence operations, but I really don't know what that looks like.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, as. Because as soon as.

[Phil]

And we were operating at a base in Syria that was controlled by, I think, the Assad regime previously. So once, Once Assad fell, we no longer have any protection in that area. And we certainly don't have.

[Libby Emmons]

We have an aircraft carrier.

[Phil]

I mean, we have that, but we don't have. We are certainly not in the good graces of the government there.

[Libby Emmons]

No, no, but they don't have an air force. And again, like, sure, but like, now.

[Phil]

You'Re talking about escalation.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, only if they decide they're going.

[Phil]

To attack the Americans, then. So then what? I mean, we lost people in Jordan last year at a base there, and that was a, that was a pretty weird operation where we had put out drones. And when we brought the drones back.

[Libby Emmons]

They followed the drones.

[Phil]

They followed the drones back so that our guys couldn't detect them. And then they killed some people. Like, I think it was mostly, I think it was three engineers from Georgia who got killed in that attack. But foreign policy is definitely not my strong suit.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

What do you think?

[Maggie Mota]

Same here. That foreign policy is not really my thing. I like to say that my, my brain just kind of when we're talking about geopolitics, But I will say I think it's fair that we should have intelligence operations over there. It's just so that let's pull our troops out of the region.

[Libby Emmons]

But you know, that impulse or that idea actually flies in the face of what most libertarians think, because everyone know when it's. It's one thing to say intelligence. Right. But then once you say the CIA, then libertarians, like, whoa, that's what intelligence is. It is CIA. It is.

[Maggie Mota]

Well, I don't want to be over there doing regime change and, you know, using usaid.

[Lisa]

Have you ever heard.

[Libby Emmons]

You've heard Mike Ben's talk, right?

[Maggie Mota]

Yes.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay. The way that he describes it, I think is extremely useful. Regime change happens by the military. CIA doesn't do regime change as much as people want to think they do. They'll influence, they'll do influence operations. The, they will do things like trying to help, you know, help people that are friendly to the United States gain influence and stuff. But if they want to do regime change, it takes the US Military because the US Military has to actually usually destroy the military of the existing the or unless you can get.

[Lisa]

I'm sure CIA has some operations.

[Libby Emmons]

So you're talking about, you're talking about CIA ground branch. But they, they work in conjunction with Green Berets and they would work in conjunction with, possibly with Delta, but definitely with Green Berets. Green Berets go in and they teach local assets how to, how to fight. CIA ground branch would be the guys.

[Lisa]

That are working had like secret operations in the CIA. So like they were like physically harming people.

[Libby Emmons]

So that, that. But that's not, that's not, that's not large scale kind of stuff. Like if, like when you talk about Max somebody. But if you're talking about like Max OG V. Right. The guys that were in Cambodia, in, in Vietnam, they were, they were in the army. They weren't CIA guys. They were working in conjunction with CIA, but they were the Army. They were, they had some like cie did like the, the plane flights and stuff, but they were military trained and stuff like that. But, but that's the thing you run into, you know, whether it be just human intelligence and stuff like that, but you run into the people that are like, whoa, CIA shouldn't be in there. Well, that's what CIA does. Yeah, intelligence, you know.

[Maggie Mota]

So I don't think we should be, you know, know, trying to whip up support for or against certain people in power over there. I just think we should monitor for threats against the United States.

[Libby Emmons]

I think that's kind of bug.

[Maggie Mota]

Fairly. Yeah, fairly consistent. We should defend ourselves.

[Lisa]

I have nothing else to say. I'm fine. Yeah, I said a lot.

[Libby Emmons]

I said okay, there's one more thing that I want to talk about real quick. Where is it? So we didn't really talk about this one here. From, again, from the post Millennial Trump opted for talks with Iran on nuclear deal rather than Israeli led strikes. Which again, you know, points to the idea that Donald Trump is actually pro peace. And I think that's something that we all kind of agree on is good. From the post Millennial President Donald Trump opted to engage in diplomatic talks with Iran on nuke on a nuclear deal rather than go ahead with Israeli proposed strikes on the nation. Officials with the Trump administration who spoke with the New York Times indicated that while Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu was interested in attacking Iran, Trump told him during their White House meeting that he would instead begin talks. Netanyahu had other ideas on how to deal with Iran, namely engaging US Military support to attack Iran. And his timeline was to start the whole thing as soon as May. Trump, the Times reported, made his decision after months of internal debate over whether to pursue diplomacy or support Israel in seeking to set back Iran's ability to build a bomb at a time when Iran has been weakened militarily and economically. So are we kind of all in agreement that that's the proper course of action, or.

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah, I mean, when he, when he makes decisions like this, I feel vindicated and I vote for him. You know, and I'm sure a lot of other, Other libertarians. That's the scary word. I'm sure a lot of other libertarians feel the same way. You know, I agree.

[Lisa]

I like this. I like that I don't want to be, like, striking Iran. I do think, though, that we should have it like, before, like I said, with the POSO thing, like, it should be. They should think in their mind that it's certainly an option. Like, I think part of the reason that there were no new wars and things like that under Trump is because everybody was scared of him thinking, thinking that he's so unhinged that he may push that button at any time. And that really protected us. So if, if, if they're looking at us and saying, well, the, the American people will never support them bombing Iran. Right. Okay, well, then that doesn't give him as much leverage as he needs. I don't want him to do it. Right. But I also want it to be at least a negotiating tool in his belt to use. But, no, I don't, I don't think it would be. I don't think it would be fruitful in the end. And I, I think it's. It's not our issue.

[Libby Emmons]

So you would. When you say you don't think it'd be fruitful, do you think that it. Are you saying that the United States wouldn't be able to stop Iran's nuclear program?

[Lisa]

No, I just think that, like, nobody wants, like, mass destruction here. Like, and, and, and it's Israel's problem more than it's our problem, not just Israel's problem.

[Libby Emmons]

I think it's probably Saudi Arabia's problem, too.

[Lisa]

Remember, Saudi Arabia, but it's not our problem.

[Libby Emmons]

Saudi Arabia doesn't have to be. Our. Saudi Arabia is a Sunni. Sunni Muslims and. And Iran, Shia Muslims, they don't like each other at all. And as much as as Israel gets the focus, there are a lot of people in Saudi Arabia that are like, yo, if you go and strike Iran, we will be pumped.

[Phil]

Yeah, but Iran backs. Which one is Iran, Sunni or Shia? You just said it. Right. So. So Iran also backs the Sunnis when it's the Houthis or the Hezbollah or whatever. Right. But they also back Hamas, and Hamas is not sh. Or whichever one Iran isn't. Hamas doesn't. Iran doesn't care who they're backing so long as they're Muslim. Going after Israel when it comes.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, when it comes to going after Israel.

[Phil]

Going after Israel. So. And when it comes to this, I think that it makes a lot of sense for the president to be engaging in talks with Iran to try and limit their nuclear program. This has been a problem for America for years and years. And it's a problem because if Iran has a nuclear weapon, then suddenly they're attacking our only ally in the region, and then suddenly America's on the hook.

[Libby Emmons]

And also, again, I think. I really do think the Saudis are an ally, are they not?

[Lisa]

Well, they are because they can.

[Phil]

But they're also, you know, not a democracy. Israel's the only democracy in the Middle East.

[Lisa]

If they could get rid of, like, muscle, like, if they could get rid of infidels all across the board, most times, most of them would. So they're not really our friends. They're kind of our friends when they need us. Until it gets to the point. Until it gets to the point where they've taken over so much control of, I don't say all of Europe because we got every mayor in freaking England, you know, and they finally take over it all that. That they're in control of these nuclear arsenals and everywhere else, and then they will not be our friend anymore.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay, you were going to say Libby.

[Phil]

Yeah. I think that the issue of nuclear. Iran's nuclear situation has been a problem for a really long time. I think it really behooves us and it really behooves us to try and keep that whole situation in line. So to the extent that Trump can do that, I think that's great. And I don't think backing Israel in attacks on Iran would attain the goal that he's looking for.

[Lisa]

Agreed.

[Libby Emmons]

It's my sense that Israel wants the US to do it.

[Phil]

Well, that's what Netanyahu was saying. They were not going to go ahead and do this without the backing of the US because, because they would not only need the US's, they said that they would need the US's help because they would need Iran to know that the US had their back. And so without the US having Israel's back, they're not going to do something like this.

[Libby Emmons]

It's my sense that Israel wants the US to back them and say, hey, you know, we'll make sure that should they strike back or something, we're going to do something. But at the same time, I also think that Israel has made it very clear that they will go move on their own if they believe that Iran gets a nuclear weapon. Well, I mean, look, I'm not sure as to what Iran will do with a nuclear weapon, but they allude to the idea that they would nuke Israel if they, if they had one. And Israel is a hundred percent percent have, has made it completely clear. Well, they have made it completely clear that they will use the nuclear weapon that they may or may not have because they've never come out and said they have nuclear weapons. But they've made it clear that they will, that they will strike Iran before they will allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. Now, the question that I'm asking is do you guys think that Israel is bluffing or do you think that Israel will act independently of the United States with should they, they believe that Iran is on the cusp of getting a nuclear weapon.

[Lisa]

A lot of people are turning on Israel and if they do not have the US support, they will not do it.

[Libby Emmons]

You think that, that they wouldn't. Libby, what do you think?

[Phil]

Yeah, I don't think they're going to go ahead without.

[Libby Emmons]

Even if, even if that means Iran gets a nuclear weapon?

[Phil]

I don't think that America will let Iran get a nuclear weapon. So does you know the US has Israel's back all the way up to that point.

[Libby Emmons]

So it's, it's, so it's the consensus here that the United States will act to your women? Well, I'm asking a question.

[Phil]

Oh my goodness.

[Maggie Mota]

Foreign policy.

[Libby Emmons]

So I just, I just want to make sure I understand you. You're. It's your consensus that the United States is likely to act before Israel needs to, right? Because, because I think, I think everyone here kind of says, yes, is Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, right?

[Lisa]

No, I don't want anybody else to have nuclear weapons.

[Libby Emmons]

No.

[Lisa]

Like, no, we're dumb, we should be done with that.

[Phil]

Well, that's why we had the Budapest memo in 1992 to get rid of the nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

[Lisa]

Yeah.

[Phil]

That didn't actually go so great for us, as it turns out.

[Libby Emmons]

No, clearly so. But yeah. All right, I think we're gonna go to super chats, right? Yeah, it's about that time.

[Lisa]

They're gonna horrify me.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think they will. I think they'll be fine. All right, so smash the like button.

[Lisa]

A little behaved today, right?

[Libby Emmons]

You were, you were just the right amount of misbehavior.

[Lisa]

I was, I was, I was a little more behaved than usual.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Smash the like button. Share the show with your friends. Go to rumble.com and become a member member and you can join us in the after show. But right now we're going to go ahead and read your super chats and we're going to start with. Let's see, Konashi says first. Yes you are. Shane H. Wilder says our dear Jessica Tim cast graphical extraordinaire's dog Tank is undergoing intestinal surgery. There is a give send go at Save Tank the dog dog. So if you have some money and you could give a little bit to the Gibson, go to Save Tank.

[Lisa]

And he had some complications too overnight. So it's pretty touch and go. So yeah, it's not just like surgery, it's like that he's pretty touch and go.

[Libby Emmons]

So yeah. So if you can, if you can help, we would appreciate it. Let's see. Dave Bricken says happy belated born on Phil. Congratulations on your noon soon to be child. May he she grow strong and intelligent. He, he will be a, a, an asset to society, I'm sure and I thank you very much for the, the kudos.

[Phil]

You're going to be an old man dad.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm comfortable with that.

[Lisa]

Let me tell you. Exhausting it is. The older you get, the more tired you get.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, you know, look I'm, I'm the age that I am. That I am and I can't do anything about it.

[Lisa]

You're active.

[Phil]

I had my son when I was old and you know, I mean I'm way older.

[Libby Emmons]

I was, I was married once. I was married once and my ex wife couldn't have kids. So is the, this is, this is what I got.

[Lisa]

Just have tons of babies. Who cares. As many as possible. That's what Another one next year.

[Libby Emmons]

All right, so Hitchhiker of Texas says way to go on the Phil. Way to go. Way to go Phil on the panel. Thank you very much. Angry marsupial says, phil, no offense, you are objectively the least attractive person on the panel tonight. I'd say you're the most aggressive, but, you know, Philly and all. See? And yes, you're right. I am the least.

[Lisa]

I'm working on it. I. I keep saying that. I'm trying to, like, work on being less masculine, more feminine. It just. It just comes out.

[Maggie Mota]

I completely understand.

[Lisa]

Comes out.

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah, it's very.

[Phil]

I just really figure if I do enough yoga, then we'll be so Zen.

[Maggie Mota]

And we'll be such good people.

[Libby Emmons]

The effing. The effing saddle Trip says, I hope Phil is having fun on ovary cast. Oh, let's see here. Bike Curious George. My wife and I are having our first child, a girl on the way, and we haven't been able to agree on any names. Seeing Libby cast earlier, I proposed the name Libby to my wife, and she loves it. I hope Libby doesn't mind.

[Phil]

That's so sweet. You know, my mom wanted to name me Libby, and my dad was against it, and he said she needs a real name. So my actual name is Libby. Elizabeth.

[Lisa]

I love the name Elizabeth, but it's part of my.

[Phil]

Everyone calls me Elizabeth. Yeah, everyone calls me Libby and has for my whole life.

[Libby Emmons]

But Libby's.

[Phil]

I can always have an official name if I need to.

[Libby Emmons]

Mini Matt 400 says, hey, Phil, welcome to the View cast tonight. Loving this discourse in action.

[Lisa]

I knew they were gonna say, which.

[Phil]

One of us is Whoopi Goldberg?

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, none of you. None of you. None of you are. Will be.

[Phil]

Oh, it's Phil.

[Libby Emmons]

Wait a minute. What? Here I am being nice. Libby just tosses me right under the bus. Let's see here. Big hookah. PGH says don't make the black kids angry by Colin Flaherty. Explains why this is happening. Also, Scott Adams is right. That's a little spicy, huh?

[Lisa]

You know, that's probably when I thought fault.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, you know, you draw in the undesirables, apparently, but I like just talk truth stuff. Hitchhiker. Fox says there is no intelligence in the intelligence community. Ah, I don't know if I'd agree with that.

[Maggie Mota]

There's some pretty smart people in the intelligence.

[Libby Emmons]

They get some big brains. Let's see here. Not a bot says, we already know about the. We already know more about this shooter than the Elephant man shooter. Shooter who almost got Trump in Pennsylvania. That is. That is true. It's kind of funny he calls him the Elephant man shooter because he kind of did look like the elephant. Do you Guys have any sense that the. The.

[Lisa]

That was a really weird op and it was a definite inside job. I don't care.

[Phil]

Something was weird about that. Yeah. Or else we'd know more about it.

[Lisa]

It wiped his whole house. Like it was all clean and sterilized and there's missing silverware. It's very bizarre.

[Maggie Mota]

It's giving the Vegas shooter from years ago where they just. It's like no follow up. Are you kidding?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Maggie Mota]

I don't know.

[Libby Emmons]

It is weird.

[Phil]

Is that like the deadliest mass shooting in American history? The Vegas one?

[Lisa]

Yeah, we had nothing about that either.

[Libby Emmons]

No, I, I Especially CIA. I don't.

[Lisa]

This is what the CI should not be doing.

[Libby Emmons]

Definitely not. I don't think that's. I don't think CIA did that, but.

[Lisa]

I think they have a hand in everything.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, I don't.

[Lisa]

I think they have a hand in a way more than you think we do.

[Libby Emmons]

Clowns in action. No, no. They. They. They're. They're. They're far more the. It's my opinion that they are far more the Bay of Pigs CIA.

[Lisa]

True.

[Libby Emmons]

Than the CIA that people imagine does amazing things. Right. Like it takes a lot to be. Be. To have successful operations that people think they do. They're definitely the. Look at how many times they tried to kill Castro and blew it.

[Lisa]

Over and over and over.

[Libby Emmons]

Over and over and over and over.

[Lisa]

They also tried to shoot JFK a number of times too, and they finally got it right.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't know that that's true either.

[Lisa]

There was. There was reports of other attempts prior to that in multiple locations in Florida, in Chicago and other places.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, maybe, but. So I don't have any. I have no sense of that because I haven't heard. That's the first LBJ I've ever heard it.

[Lisa]

I went on a rabbit hole down that too, recently.

[Libby Emmons]

So now, like I said, clowns in it.

[Lisa]

I've been. I've been down rabbit holes. I'm being the stay at home mom thing.

[Libby Emmons]

It's like, think about how they behaved regarding Castro, who is only 90 miles off. It's communists in our backyard. They had nuclear weapons aimed at D.C. like there was as much motivation as you could possibly get for the CIA to take Castro out, and he just lived forever and there's still communists down there. So I, I do think that they have been successful in the past, but I think largely they are the clowns in action. CIA as opposed to the Big Bad.

[Lisa]

It's comforting.

[Libby Emmons]

Pardon me?

[Lisa]

Comforting, maybe.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Let's see. Kane, Abel, Says, I saw horror movies as a little kid and up to my old age. I don't think is what he's probably said. I don't think Gore is the problem. I think they are not raised by parents mostly don't have a father figure in their lives. I mean, that's the, that's the, the, the continued given narrative. Is that the sense that you guys have that it's, that it's all family?

[Maggie Mota]

No, it can't be.

[Lisa]

Well, here's no, it's like people have.

[Maggie Mota]

To come from two parent households. Right. It's just being a teenager sucks. Like, it just sucks. You, you ask a lot of questions about the world. You feel awkward in your body, you go online, you stumble down a rabbit hole through gore. I'm not saying that's like the only anything that does it, but.

[Lisa]

Yes, but that's like the secondary thing because they're not getting the proper attention stimulus and things like that from their parents at home or if it's one parent, if it's parents that are absent, if it's parents giving them iPads instead of books to read, or taking them out to the playground or hiking or whatever. And so then, so that is the foundation that they don't have this family, they don't have God, they don't have the structure or this morality. And then they fall into those things and then comes the rap or then comes the Gore. And. But it is not the original problem. It's like it's.

[Maggie Mota]

They go asking questions.

[Lisa]

It's the icing on the cake.

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah.

[Lisa]

Type of thing. That's what I think.

[Libby Emmons]

Soapy, soapy Animus says, check out the boonies HQ discord. We're trying to grow the community. And then as a actual follow up to the, to this one, Hal Gailey says Gore is one thing, malice and sadism another. Exposure is secondary to identifying with it. There are signs of such tendencies long before it erupts. So it sounds like he's saying that the, the behaviors are, are kind of built in and that there are things that may help bring it out, but people, there are people that are predisposed to it.

[Lisa]

This has been around forever. Did you guys read Marquis de Sade? Julia, like, you know, stuff has been around for a while, right?

[Phil]

But not to mention all the rest of French literature.

[Lisa]

But in like, I remember reading that, I was like, this is a lot. Okay. But it like you have to have that, that emptiness that you're kind of filling with some radical stuff to like. Because I read it, I'm not out there doing any of that. Right. But, but other kids who, or other people who may not have some stronger foundation. I don't even say it. I'm perfect. I could have easily fell into any stuff. But like it's, it's, it's really that lack of moral foundation. I think that is the root cause and that is just an add on. Or they may have some tendencies and without proper guidance and, and access to these things, it, it metastasizes also.

[Phil]

I mean, also like.

[Lisa]

And there's just bad people.

[Phil]

People talk about nature versus nurture and obviously it's both.

[Lisa]

Right.

[Phil]

You know, obviously it's both. So.

[Lisa]

But the uptick has to be expl. Explained. Like, I think there's.

[Phil]

I don't even know if it's an uptick. I think it's just that we are existing now. And so we look at everything that is happening now as the ultimate, you know, crux of history. And it just isn't any.

[Lisa]

It's also the availability heuristic.

[Phil]

Right. There was way more violence in the Middle Ages than there is now. There was way more violence in the early Americas than there is now. There was child sacrifice. Sure. And maybe we are, and maybe we're exactly the same as the crucial crusaders. You know, when you look at letters home from war from the Crusades and you look at letters home from civil war, like they're the same letters. It's the same. You know what I mean? Like human beings haven't changed very much. We just have more stuff and we have, you know, and in a lot of ways we are extremely less violent than we used to be. And that's why every incidence of violence strikes us so profoundly. These things didn't used to be profound. Like your sister would get raped and your cousin would get murdered and there'd be duels. People used to, I mean, we had.

[Lisa]

Boys thinking they were girls and we didn't have like any of this.

[Phil]

Sure. So now we have this weird social stuff as well. But Alexander Hamilton's son literally died in a duel over dishonor.

[Lisa]

I like that.

[Phil]

You know, Alexander Hamilton fought in a duel over dishonor and with Aaron Burr and he was killed as well. So we've had this kind of violence and it's been much more severe year for most of human history. This. We're in a shockingly peaceful era, but we see every incidence of violence as like, you know, some horror because it interrupts our peaceful existence. But we have a peaceful existence. Right. I mean, we don't have turrets on Our homes. We're not like.

[Lisa]

I mean, I heard neighbors, even the.

[Phil]

Hatfields and the McCoys, like, that was a long time ago. Here we are in West Virginia. So, you know, you talk about the feud, but anyway, I don't know.

[Lisa]

I mean, I, I've had. I just listed a ton of them the other day, like on my Twitter. Like all the crimes me and my family have been like a victim of. Right. Like it's multiples, right. Like it's not tens. It's like 20s. Right. And that may not be everybody in the United States existence. And I understand that crime happens more, but I don't think like one family should have over their lifetime, 50 incidents of actual crime and, and, and, and some violent crime on their family. I just.

[Libby Emmons]

Urban. Urban and, and I, I think 50. I, I think you're. I think you're right, but urban areas have literally always been more violent. I mean, mid the middle Ages, like everybody we know Middle ages in Europe, if there have always been more violent crimes with, with more population, of course.

[Lisa]

But it's not like.

[Phil]

And that's back when you would die from an ingrown toenail.

[Lisa]

Yeah, it's not like, it's. I just, I know so many people that have been victims of crimes and like, and, and some don't even get reported. Right. Like, some things just whatever. But I, I just feel like I remember my grandparents living in, in Philadelphia, my parents living in Philadelphia, and it definitely. There is definitely a, A different feeling. There's definitely a different, an uptick in these things. Like these things didn't happen to my grandma, mother, and, and, and she lived in Port Richmond. Like, it didn't happen to them, you know, 60 years ago. It didn't. It didn't. And, and so for. Yes, I can understand that, like, okay, in the grand scheme of things in this time period, that it's less than, you know, when there were barbarians and whatever. But there is something going on. There's a spiritual warfare going on. There is some humanity loss, some. No, no respect for life or, or, or respect or morals or any of that. There is that uptick. And I, I just feel like if you're denying that, like, not that you're excusing it away, but like, you have to really see that there is a problem here. That's all.

[Libby Emmons]

All right, well, call sign Ewok says, sorry, Libby, you're wrong about ms.13. It was started by El Salvadorian refugee teenagers who are getting it beef beat up by others, local gangs, Black Sabbath and made the devil Horns. Part of their thought it was.

[Phil]

I thought it was in. I thought it came to be in a prison.

[Maggie Mota]

Well, I don't think they were. Maybe they don't think they were violent at first because when I was reading up on this earlier in the 80s, some El Salvadorian teens who had escaped the civil war back home were just like hanging out, drinking, smoking, listening to heavy metal, and then eventually needed to start defending themselves. And then in the 90s, this guy who had been trained by Green Berets came over and milit. Militarized everybody, you know.

[Phil]

Well, I was right because it did, it did. Of origin in Los Angeles.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Maggie Mota]

Yep.

[Libby Emmons]

New guys don't. New guys don't haze me. Where'd it go? New guys don't haze me says Rip Phil, if he says calm down at all during this episode, I'll tell Lisa to calm down.

[Lisa]

Yeah, he can tell me that.

[Libby Emmons]

Any fear? Yeah, no, I don't know about these two, but Lisa.

[Lisa]

Yeah, we're good.

[Libby Emmons]

Let's see here.

[Lisa]

Relax, Lisa, relax. Settle down. I think that's funny actually.

[Libby Emmons]

Cat 318 says, what is happening to these kids in Texas, the family of Carmelo Anthony has taken the money raised for his kids defense and bought cars and 800k houses.

[Maggie Mota]

Okay, so that didn't happen.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, they didn't, they didn't actually buy an 800,000 thousand dollar house. The house they, they're renting and it, it is a nice house, but they're renting the house. So that way they have a place that is not where they used to live because of, you know, because of all the, the publicity surrounding the, the trial and stuff.

[Lisa]

And they were already in a nice house from what I understand. Like he already owned a nice house. They're renting this house.

[Libby Emmons]

They, they're not, they're, they're not from the hood. Right. These are, these are suburban kids. These kids, the school just finance for.

[Lisa]

A car dealership or something. But the mom's unemployed. But a parent apparently they, they still had like a $900,000 house, I think was originally what they had.

[Maggie Mota]

Yes. And also they haven't been able to touch their donations. So I think it's just the donation Internet telephone game. Everyone was speculating and so then it became fact.

[Lisa]

But like when, when the donations go in, they should be set up for legal defense to where they're only allowed to be paid out to the legal funds and not to. So it doesn't look like, you know, people are getting rich on these donations. It should only be able to Go to the legal defense and then any portion that is unused returned.

[Libby Emmons]

I, I don't whether or not, I mean, I mean you can have, have that opinion, but I don't think that the people that are donating care.

[Lisa]

No, they don't.

[Libby Emmons]

They don't care at all.

[Lisa]

No, they don't. But I'm talking about like in, in the grand scheme of like what would be morally ethical? You shouldn't, like if, if you're raising funds after you killed somebody, you shouldn't be able to use it on anything. But whatever. What are you saying? No, nothing.

[Maggie Mota]

Comment.

[Libby Emmons]

Comment after Eric Blood ax says. So did anyone notice the classified doc released by the DNI that shows federal classification of gun owners as terrorists? Check out the S2's wire report. Yes, I did. I actually retweeted multiple tweeted it and retweeted a, a bunch of tweets about it. Essentially. Essentially the, the. This isn't really news though. Like if you paid attention to these kind of things, you knew during the Biden administration, the Biden administration looked at gun owners as potential threats. The Democrats more broadly want to abolish the second amendment and take everyone's guns. I don't care how many times they say we respect the second amendment, but they don't at all. They want to take all. They want to get rid of private gun owners ownership. Right now they're going after semi automatic get in. In Colorado there's a bill that's going to get rid of semi automatic gas operated rifles which is almost every semi automatic rifle. They want to get rid of semi autos because. Well look at what happened in Afghanistan. You know like the reason that the United States was never able to really subdue Afghanistan is because of rifles. The reason, the reason that the, that the US was never able to subdue Vietnam is because of rifles. Valkyrie0010 says the 2A is meant to prevent the government from having a monopoly on violence. For this reason. Your idea that we only have the hope of legal recourse? Oh, you know, the, the YouTube app just crashed so I couldn't finish that. So let's see.

[Lisa]

We got a private text message from James Klug that said for f sake, move on from foreign policy.

[Libby Emmons]

James, hush. Calm down, James. Let's see where to go. Where'd it go? The 2A is meant to prevent the government from having a monopoly on violence. For this reason. Your idea that we only have the hope of legal recourse is the problem. The government must fear armed recourse. If we are to be a free people. Look, man, there are some things you can't say on YouTube and show signs. So with, with that we go to Raven Gray. The largest extortion racket is the pre industrial. Is pre industrial Japan was conducted Buddhist monks. Most people presuppose Buddhism equals pacifism. I have absolutely no idea about that.

[Lisa]

Did anybody bring up Buddhism?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think so.

[Lisa]

I didn't think we brought up yoga, which I said was satanic, kind of.

[Libby Emmons]

So Kane Abel says you don't need courts to tell if illegals should be deported. You just need to check if they're citizens or not. If not, deport. That's where I'm at, man. Look, there are at least 10 million illegals, probably 15 or 20 million illegals that came in, in the Biden administration because Joe Biden specifically said he told them to break the law. Right. So this administration trying to fix the lawlessness of previous administrations means that we're going to have to do some things that the left isn't going to like. But guess what? The good news is the left isn't going to like anything that Trump does. So it doesn't matter. They're going to act like this. They're going to act like it's the end of the world no matter what he does. It's, it's better for America if they just start rounding up the illegals and sending them home. Let's see, you use the federal document cave for prisons. I mean, just file them, put them in the filing cabinets. You know, the, you know, you know, the, the caves that they had, the, the documents that, that Doge found. They, they, you had to, if you had to want people to retire, there were only so many people that could retire because they had to use the cave to file the, the stuff. So I guess we're just going to start filing criminals now. Oh, my gosh, let's see. Last one here. War pig snore. No man wants to hear a bunch of women yapping about politics when they can't get drafted. There you go.

[Lisa]

Kind of agree.

[Libby Emmons]

Calm down.

[Lisa]

Fine. It's funny because somebody was like, lisa wants everybody to stay home, make babies, and here she is yapping and talking all over everybody. Yeah, true. Like, I know, I'm very aware of my hypocrisy here, but.

[Libby Emmons]

All right, well, I told you you were gonna have plenty to say.

[Lisa]

I did. I was really think I was gonna have anything to say.

[Libby Emmons]

Of course you didn't think that, but you don't think that. You have much to say anytime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, smash the like button. Share the show with your friends, head on over to rumble.com and become a member and you can join us in that after show. You can also go to timcast.com and become a member there. Join the Discord and then you can call in in the after show, which we're going to go to in just a few minutes. Actually, we're going to go now in just a few minutes and then we'll have a little preview, I believe, and then we'll go on over to the callers from the Discord. So Maggie, you want to shout anything out?

[Maggie Mota]

Yeah. Go. Follow me on X at Maggie mota and on YouTube at indoctrination. Thank you guys so much for having me today.

[Libby Emmons]

Come on, come on, come on.

[Lisa]

Tomorrow, watch the culture war removing the time again. It's will be going forward 12 to to 12pm to 2pm tomorrow. We have on is Angry Cops coming. Angry Cops.

[Libby Emmons]

Angry Cops.

[Lisa]

Angry Cops.

[Libby Emmons]

Richard, I love you, Andrew Branca. Uhhuh.

[Lisa]

Awesome.

[Libby Emmons]

And that's the law of self defense on Twitter.

[Lisa]

Correct. And the guy from the gifts and go Jacob Wells.

[Libby Emmons]

Awesome.

[Lisa]

So we're going to be talking all about this, this case and Tim will be talking about if it's self defense or not.

[Libby Emmons]

I wish that I was going to be here. I would, I would definitely come if I wasn't.

[Lisa]

It's gonna, it's gonna be very interesting for sure. So tune into that if you care what I have to say. I don't really tweet all the time, but if you want to follow me, it's Lisa Elizabeth on Twitter.

[Libby Emmons]

They're spicy. You should follow her, Libby.

[Lisa]

They're rare.

[Phil]

I'm Libby Emmons with the Post Millennial. You can check out my work at Libby Emmons on Twitter or see what we're doing atthepost millennial.com or humanevents.com and if you want to subscribe to my newsletter letter, I would love it. And it's brand new every day. You can subscribe atthepost millennial.com Libby Libby's.

[Lisa]

Putting in the work.

[Libby Emmons]

She is.

[Lisa]

Let's go.

[Libby Emmons]

She's awesome. I am Phil that remains on Twix and I'm fill it remains official on Instagram. You can follow me there. And so check out the culture war tomorrow and check out IRL tomorrow night. We will see you then. Sa.