Milo & Tim Pool GO DEEP On Inside Of TPUSA And Candace Owens With George Santos w/ Milo & George Santos, Naomi Seibt

Summary

Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL — "Milo & Tim Pool GO DEEP On Inside Of TPUSA And Candace Owens With George Santos w/ Milo & George Santos, Naomi Seibt"

Date: December 6, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Milo Yiannopoulos, George Santos, Naomi Seibt

Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL is a raw, candid, and, at times, fiery roundtable featuring Tim Pool, Milo Yiannopoulos, George Santos, and Naomi Seibt. The conversation dives deep into controversial territory: the power struggles and recent drama surrounding Turning Point USA (TPUSA) following the death of Charlie Kirk, the role of Candace Owens in upending the conservative media landscape, and sweeping questions about truth, manipulation, and integrity in both politics and media. Expect a blend of confessions, personal grievances, sharp analysis, and philosophical debate about "winning" at all costs versus moral standards in public life.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. Opening Banter and Cast Introductions ([04:05]–[10:00])

• Playful back-and-forths set the tone for a high-energy, irreverent discussion.
• Milo jokes about rumors and his own controversies; Santos and Naomi jump in with dry wit.
• Milo and Naomi discuss her seeking asylum due to threats in Germany ([05:25]–[06:22]).

2. The Media Gets it Wrong—J6 Pipe Bomb Story ([10:45]–[12:30])

• Tim and the group critique CNN for misreporting the identity (race) of the J6 pipe bomber.
• Highlights skepticism about mainstream media's credibility.

"CNN is getting roasted ... the man who looks very much like Steve Urkel ... they said, did I do that?" —Tim Pool ([10:45])

3. The TPUSA Power Struggle and Candace Owens Rift ([18:00]–[48:00])

A. Is George Santos Really a Centrist?

• Milo grills George about his ideological leanings, labeling him a "centrist" despite popular expectations ([18:07]).
• Santos insists he is “just practical,” not bound by right or left ([18:49]).
• Both discuss the insanity of political extremes and Candace Owens’ role.

“You can basically wear the same outfit and, like, one person's a 6 and one person's a 10 ... it's really rough.” —Milo ([04:25])

B. The Nature of Political Grievances

• Tim and Milo dig into how right-leaning outlets and personalities handle criticism and dissent.
• Discussion turns to manipulation in media, Candace's "soap opera" style, and the ways she appeals to emotions (especially women) ([21:25]–[24:00]).

“This is a show for women.” —Tim Pool ([24:13])

• Naomi brings up the true crime appeal of Candace's storytelling to her audience ([23:14]).

C. The Candace Owens–Turning Point Rift

• Detailed debate on Candace Owens allegedly causing division and demoralization within the conservative base.
• Tim accuses Candace of manipulative, social engineering tactics, while Milo defends her intention and faith ([24:41]–[43:00]):

“She has a great pattern matching brain.” —Milo ([24:08]) “I am not going to play this game where you're like, well, she's insinuated literally every fucking time some nefarious... but she didn't explicitly say it, so I'm too stupid.” —Tim Pool ([51:51])

• Discussion on whether prominent conservative influencers are paid to stay quiet about internal power struggles ([28:09]):

“Because if you know that some, a particular person is going to be counterproductive... you might pay them to shut up.” —Milo ([29:24])

D. Turning Point's Treatment of Outsiders & Power Dynamics

• Milo recounts the personal cost of TPUSA's tactics to marginalize him, and how Charlie Kirk’s ruthlessness shaped the organization ([59:34]):

“Charlie made up a rumor that I was having sex with children on campuses, underage boys on college campuses, and I was selling them drugs... so when we talk about this, when we lionize this figure, it's important to remember what we're doing.” —Milo ([60:10])

• Tim adds TPUSA has been shifting toward neoconservatism, pushing out coalition members ([64:03]):

“They are attempting to reorient around Bush era Republicanism... excise coalition members on the right.” —Tim Pool ([64:03])

4. Truth, Social Engineering, and Morality in Public Life ([75:37]–[98:31])

• Tim and Milo have a strikingly honest dialogue about manipulation, narrative, and integrity.
• Tim recaps his past as a top fundraiser, sharing a moving (and manipulative) sales pitch he used—then explains why he chose not to bring those tactics into his media work ([124:03]).

“My principal motivation... is not even political. It is: what is true and what is not.” —Tim Pool ([41:04])

• Debate over whether manipulation (e.g., urgency, omission) can be used morally for a "good" cause ([98:11]–[99:46]).

“If you decide, 'I'm going to make a better world by deceiving the people,' you're only creating a world of deceit. That's evil.” —Tim Pool ([96:15])

• Milo contends that sometimes “lies by omission” are permissible for moral outcomes, but Tim rejects this on principle.

5. Candace Owens, the Charlie Kirk Death Controversy, and the Future of the Right ([41:39]–[116:15])

• Milo and Naomi defend Candace’s quest for the truth about Kirk’s death; Tim asserts her storytelling is needlessly divisive and manipulative.
• Discussion of Candace’s influence and why the Turning Point PR response failed versus Candace’s media mastery.
• Broader question: Is airing dirty laundry and chasing truth at all costs healthy for the conservative movement, or fatally divisive?
• George Santos chimes in:

“Candace hurts everyone. Candace puts everyone... who are doing what Candace is doing on an election year ... is fracturing the base in a time where it's very sensitive.” —George Santos ([82:03])

6. Final Reflections and Emotional Closure ([130:06]–end)

• Genuine appreciation is shared as the hosts reflect on honesty in media and the hard choices behind the scenes.
• Santos thanks Tim for his candor and integrity.

“Thank you for your candor because what you just displayed is what you could be doing. And you choose every single day to come on really frightening, not do it right, which takes a lot more.” —George Santos ([130:43])

• Milo closes by flipping from adversary to ally:

“What has changed is that two people going at each other's throats on the Internet I now see as two well intentioned people talking past each other ... I think you are a profoundly good person, a man of good moral character.” —Milo ([132:34])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Candace Owens’ style:
  • "She’s the only one with a massive platform who has devoted (herself to questioning TPUSA)." — Milo ([48:55])
  • "What I think is evil is ... Candace Owens is doing the lowest grade but well done social assumptive reasoning manipulation." — Tim Pool ([50:38])
• On media and manipulation:
  • “If I want to go on my show and have an emotional meltdown, that's who I am.” —Tim Pool ([76:20])
  • “[Milo] knows all your secrets ... No one wants to be his enemy.” —George Santos ([90:14])
• On truth and principle:
  • “I do not believe the ends justify the means because we never meet the ends. If you decide 'Yes, I'll make a better world by deceiving the people,' you're only creating a world of deceit. That's evil.” —Tim Pool ([96:15])
• On Candace v. TPUSA:
  • “I'm glad, I'm glad she is [challenging TPUSA], because although that organization did a lot of good, it also did a lot of damage.” —Milo ([85:15])
  • “She is a once-in-a-generation media genius.” —Milo ([117:01])
• Reflections on the base fracturing:
  • “She fractured... the base because the conversation is no longer around the issues that Americans care about. Regular people are no longer talking about how we are going to win and make this country better. But they're talking about the dumbest shit in the world.” —Tim Pool, regarding Candace ([83:06])

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Key Takeaways

• TPUSA and Charlie Kirk's Legacy: The organization is described as both highly effective and ruthlessly exclusionary—instrumental in Trump’s victory but also responsible for pushing out independent voices.
• Candace Owens: Simultaneously lauded as a “media genius” and critiqued for paralyzing and demoralizing the right with divisive, emotionally manipulative storytelling and unvetted insinuations.
• Media & Manipulation: The panel lays bare the overlap between fundraising tactics, social engineering, and modern political communication—and where each personally draws the ethical line.
• The State of the Right: There's consensus that the right’s former “big tent” unity is dissolving; finger-pointing and narrative warfare are worsening the fracture ahead of crucial elections.
• Personal Integrity: The final consensus is a rare note in online punditry: honesty and aversion to empty manipulation have real value—even if that means a smaller audience and less “winning.”

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Final Thoughts

• Tim Pool: Stands firm on principle, defending his critical stance on Candace Owens as rooted in truth-seeking and opposition to manipulative tactics, even if it means personal or professional costs.
• Milo Yiannopoulos: While airing personal grievances with the conservative establishment, he ultimately seeks unity and recognizes genuine good faith—even when there’s difference in tactics or style.
• George Santos: Advocates for the strategic value of “rogue” actors but opposes Candace’s divisive approach, urging unity for electoral success.
• Naomi Seibt: Acknowledges the emotional fallout surrounding Kirk's death as under-processed within the movement.

This unscripted, cathartic debate is a piercing look inside the clashes, motivations, and looming identity crisis facing the American right—and a testament to the value of transparent, if combative, long-form conversation.

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For further discussion:

• Does truth-telling always mean "losing" in today's culture war?
• Are emotional appeals and manipulative storytelling a necessary evil in politics and media?

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Follow the Guests:

• Tim Pool: X/Twitter
• Milo Yiannopoulos: @nero (with the “g” silent)
• George Santos: @georgesantos
• Naomi Seibt: @naomiseibt

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Milo]

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[Milo]

I don't drink still water on the whole, but actually, as still waters go, it's pretty tasty, I'm not gonna lie.

[Tim Pool]

Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Milo.

[Milo]

I'm not very well. I was on. I was.

[George Santos]

Well, you're never very well, Milo.

[Tim Pool]

When have you.

[George Santos]

When was the last time you were well?

[Milo]

Well, people have been calling me sick in the head for a long time, but the joke's on you now. He's got brain cancer. So, no, I was. I I, I. You could try.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody can laugh.

[George Santos]

You could.

[Milo]

No, nobody can laugh. You could try, but you ain't gonna win today.

[George Santos]

I hate you.

[Milo]

Isn't it funny how, like, you can basically wear the same outfit and, like, one person's a 6 and one person's a 10? It's like. Like, it's really rough, but.

[George Santos]

Are you talking about me? I don't. We're not wearing the same outfit.

[Milo]

Well, it's just a vast expanse of blue, which is about as much as my eyes can manage.

[George Santos]

But, Milo, your mirror at home is playing tricks on you.

[Milo]

I thought adding some layers, maybe some, like, texture, giving a little color. And the black and white photos as well on Twitter.

[George Santos]

But they're inspired by you.

[Milo]

Well, quite clearly not.

[George Santos]

They're inspired by you. All my black and white pictures are all an homage to the great Milo. You're my elder. Seven years. I literally have to pay homage to you. All right.

[Milo]

Okay. The word. We use this icon, please. Okay.

[George Santos]

You're my elder icon. Without you, I could have never crawled.

[Naomi]

Mere mortals cannot comprehend the honor.

[Tim Pool]

No. You should be awesome.

[George Santos]

This is Milo.

[Milo]

Do you know. Do you know, until I got here tonight, I had never seen such a beautiful woman.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, my God.

[Milo]

I'd never seen. No, no, no.

[George Santos]

And she.

[Milo]

And she. And she. She came over here. I didn't even know she was in this country. I thought she was in Germany. And she. And she escaped.

[Naomi]

I applied for asylum.

[Milo]

Did you really?

[Naomi]

Yes, I actually did.

[Milo]

Are you here? Never mind. But they're gonna.

[George Santos]

Were you about to compare notes on your asylum claim?

[Milo]

No. If you come through the port of entry, you're fine until they make a decision. That's all. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Have you considered just coming through Mexico? Then you're here forever.

[George Santos]

You would have gotten ten grand.

[Naomi]

The funny thing is, I did come from Mexico. The last time I entered the United States was from Mexico because I. I was allowed to stay in America under my ester. Visa waiver program for three months at a time. And then I got so many death threats from Germany that I decided I couldn't spend Christmas with my family at home last year. So I went to Mexico for. For like, a week, two weeks. And then I was able to come back to America to extend my visa as a waiver, so it kind of resets so I can.

[George Santos]

Oh, so hold on. So you're just teaching us?

[Milo]

Yeah.

[Naomi]

But then eventually I decided, okay, I'm. I need to escape for good, because I found out that I'm under surveillance by.

[Milo]

You actually do need to. Because I have followed you for a long time, and I'm very fond of you, and we just met today. But.

[Tim Pool]

But.

[Milo]

But I've seen your Twitter, and there's absolutely no way that you will survive in Germany. Like, you know.

[George Santos]

Well, does anybody survive in Germany that has an independent mind? It's a hive mentality. It's a sh.

[Milo]

Country back in the good old.

[George Santos]

No offense.

[Milo]

No, it's. It's terrible. And. But I'm distressed to learn that you're here and have a boyfriend that's not me. And I didn't even get, like, the option. I'm sorry.

[George Santos]

You didn't give Milo first. Right.

[Milo]

Refusal. She does. No, no, it's Prima Noctis. This is the production of the show Prima Nocte. She says that she's. Oh, oh. Honor being the same room. Well, if I'm the king, I get first night with every in the kingdom. That's called Prima Nocte. Medieval Christianity, so.

[Tim Pool]

And just keep Christianity.

[George Santos]

He doesn't braid your hair during that period.

[Milo]

So then I will braid your hair before, during, and after in case the rest of it.

[Tim Pool]

This is the best introduction explaining who Milo is. George Santos is here. Hi.

[George Santos]

I'm the younger. Less.

[Tim Pool]

Less.

[Milo]

Could you lift up your sweater so we can see how many of you there are under there?

[George Santos]

There's like, five of us.

[Milo]

You're kind of like, you know, like one of those people on the stilts where you kind of like, oh, go. That's.

[Tim Pool]

That's.

[Milo]

That's four people. And I. I just. I want to know how many of you are. There are. And why with four of you in there, are you still not funny?

[George Santos]

I'm just.

[Milo]

I.

[George Santos]

To do this, you know, like the.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[George Santos]

The nail emoji, like, off. But no, no, I am literally, I mean this wholeheartedly because I love Milo. This. This is a.

Okay, we'll do that. I can do this. It's okay. He's, like, the gayest person I know, and he wants to talk about. Ah, he's gonna assault.

[Tim Pool]

So this. This also gladly, is an excellent introduction for George. We also have Naomi. She's back.

[Naomi]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Milo]

Again, quite a shorter and second introduction. Yes.

[Naomi]

Yesterday, while I was in the car with Chris, you were on the phone.

[Milo]

Oh, that's what I say.

[Naomi]

Oh, it's okay. You were just complaining. The usual. But this is when I. This is when I.

[Milo]

You have usual.

[George Santos]

She just met you, and she knows you're a complainer.

[Milo]

You know how hard I work to avoid Tim hearing about all the diva shit I ask your scarf to do.

Oh, sweetie.

[George Santos]

Shout out to Chris, amazing driver who.

[Milo]

Did not pick, even though he knows that he's my favorite. And I was very mad about it, but actually that I was picked up by something called Brian.

[George Santos]

Is Brian the one who does all the hotel bookings?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[George Santos]

Thank you for the suite, by the way. Very nice, very thoughtful.

[Milo]

Yeah, they didn't book me a suit, but I got upgraded on one anyway.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that was. That was on purpose.

[Milo]

Well, I always get upgraded because I'm.

[Tim Pool]

Ambassador Elite, so Phil's apparently here. Hello, everybody. My name is Phil.

[Milo]

You booked him a suite to piss me off.

[Tim Pool]

No, I have nothing to do with this.

[Milo]

Obviously it's not fucking working, but still should have. Obviously it's not.

[Tim Pool]

Lead singer. The head. All that's left.

[George Santos]

I'll send you a picture when I get.

[Milo]

I'm so done with this show.

[Tim Pool]

Excuse me, ma'. Am.

[Milo]

You know, I'm going to tell you how down I am with this show. I'm drinking my favorite beverage, which is. Ian's here.

[Tim Pool]

It's.

[Milo]

Honestly, it's.

[George Santos]

It's Jerry. Introducing themselves. Can you shut up? Milo does not care. I love you. But wait, wait your turn.

[Tim Pool]

Patience. Milo is virtue. You got to be Christlike.

[Milo]

I'm sorry, are you lecturing me on Christianity?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, sounds like it.

[Milo]

Crystal Kevin. Crystal, Crystal Kevin. Crystal Kevin has insights from the Krypton factor. Paranormal realm of fractals. Can we not.

[Tim Pool]

Your blood has crystals in it.

[Milo]

Yeah, because I've got gout.

[Tim Pool]

By the way, I'm happy to be here. Rich man Ian Cross.

[Milo]

I was happy. I was happy you were here until.

[George Santos]

That old senators disease.

[Tim Pool]

That's what it really is. So anyway, we have news. George, this is not.

[Milo]

This is not the fruit and cheese box.

[George Santos]

Yes, it is.

[Milo]

No, this is the cheese trio. It's different, buddy.

[George Santos]

That's all they have.

[Tim Pool]

You're the fruit.

[George Santos]

And you know what? I just didn't want to have witnessed cannibalism. I told you.

[Milo]

Oh, I didn't.

[George Santos]

I didn't want to witness cannibalism. He's like, I need fruit. I'm going to eat fruit. I'm like, dude, no, cannibalism is bad.

[Tim Pool]

I feel like this is the kind of show that appeals to the non news audience because it's more entertaining, dramatic. Still got daggers coming out of the eyes of me. We should talk.

[George Santos]

We should talk news, though. Milo's so serious and talking about real worldly news.

[Milo]

You should sit. Let's kick it off. Sorry, do you Want to go toe to toe on seriousness? No. Give me.

[George Santos]

I'm not serious.

[Milo]

George Santos is giving me lectures on being serious. Now I really have heard it all.

[Tim Pool]

So here's the first story. CNN falsely claims black J6 pipe bomb suspect is a white man. And we actually just thought this would be, like, the funniest story to lead with, because while he was claiming it, the man who looks very much like Steve Urkel was. I'm not making up a joke. I mean, that's literally what everyone's saying. There's memes popping out where they said, did I do that? And Jake Tapper apparently didn't bother to look or do any research before pulling an anchorman and just reading whatever they wrote in his teleprompter. So welcome to America. I hope you find it humorous. Is there any more actual development with the story about the. The.

[Milo]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

He's not white.

[George Santos]

Well, there we go.

[Milo]

Anybody. Can anybody remember which one has the MDMA in it?

[Tim Pool]

Which.

[George Santos]

Which bottle address the mdma?

[Tim Pool]

That's actually none of them because we have no such thing here.

[Milo]

You're right. No, none of them.

[Tim Pool]

I'm.

[Milo]

No, I'm just kidding.

[Tim Pool]

You want a little pick me? It's the. But I would just say.

[Milo]

I promise I'm joking.

[Tim Pool]

Don't drink the liquid death.

[Milo]

Well, that has probably something much worse in it.

[Tim Pool]

Plastic.

[Milo]

When you posted that thing about. I know. I picked up.

[Tim Pool]

I don't even know what we're talking about. What's going on?

[Milo]

No, I.

Was just kidding. Holding it up because I was cross with him about Candace, but. No, but I saw that thing of where you cut it round, and there's like, a plastic bag inside. And I know that obviously, from boxes of wine at home, but.

I know that bitch does. Actually, I've never seen him drink out of a bottle at home. It's always a box. And the wine that he drinks is just called wine.

[Tim Pool]

Who?

[Milo]

You?

[George Santos]

Me?

[Milo]

This doesn't just happen. You know, I'm just.

[George Santos]

You know what? I can't. But let's go back to Jake Tapper.

[Milo]

I'll never see him. It's the only explanation. No, no. So. So I was just kidding about the other thing. But this. This is when I saw you at. Let me just say something. Let me get it. Can I get it off my chest?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Milo]

Can I. Can we just address it? Can we deal with it?

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Milo]

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[Tim Pool]

You want some Jedi shit right now. You want some deep force from you?

[Milo]

I'll come up in about six weeks.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I'll see you then.

[Milo]

Have you seen. Have you seen with an Illinois. Say that again. Have you seen with Nail and I the movie? No, there's that guy that when I dose you, you'll know you've been spiked or something like that. I'm just. I would never accept drugs from you in the nicest possible way because I, I know that I can see like when you, you know when you look into someone's eyes and it's a bit glassy and then you just see like eternity. There's just nothing there. And then if you sort of get a microscope and like, oh, that's what a fractal is like. That's not the guy to take drugs from because you don't recover from. Right?

[Tim Pool]

You have to trust yourself.

[Milo]

Whatever you would give. Anyone would like one shot, any mortal, it's. Unless they're already like. Like the mushrooms are like there's probably four of these mushrooms in existence and they're all in his loft, you know, the turret. And you don't want to touch it. You don't even want to lick it. You don't want to be in the same room as it. You just be in the same room and think you're meeting Margaret Thatcher. You know, like. No, you're projecting.

[Tim Pool]

You wouldn't want to be, but that doesn't mean others wouldn't. There are lots of people that would want to be right up there next to me just staying warm. But my question to you, staying warm. The word drug comes from the term dried herb. It was a French word that means dried herb. Just a basic. Because there's so many plants that all. Yeah.

[Milo]

Are you trying to rehabilitate the reputation of all the things that you take that you should.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't need to know that drugs in general. Yeah. It's going to be there forever now.

[Milo]

Are you, are you familiar with the concept? Are you familiar? So you know, like, some things can be like, important but not urgent. Are you familiar with the concept of connected but not relevant?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, that pretty much describes Ian.

[Milo]

But that's what happens, you see, because the.

[Tim Pool]

So what do you want to talk about?

[Milo]

The problem is the connected bit of your brain still works. So you can still shoot off and make like links between things. But the critical thinking, the higher executive brain functions are just fucking gone.

[Tim Pool]

The problem, Milo, is if you become too relevant, you become a target.

[Milo]

I wasn't talking about influences, babe. I was talking about like your ability to think critically, to seem irrelevant is clearly destroyed.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the weed has lowered my intelligence, but raised my wisdom for sure. Also, I don't want to be too fantastic.

[Milo]

I know that you think that, but actually, in fact, it is the worst drug on the planet. It is the worst, worst, worst thing in the world because it saps people slowly and insidiously of their energy, their enthusiasm, their desire to achieve, their motivation, their, their, their.

[Tim Pool]

What are we talking?

[Milo]

General level?

[Tim Pool]

I think anything any different subjects on.

[Milo]

Weed, you have no perception of. Of what's happening. And in fact, most people think the opposite is happening and it's not.

[George Santos]

Okay, real quick, I. I take Vance. I am so add and I can't keep up right now. Understand, like, Vance is like unpaired.

[Tim Pool]

I was not.

[Milo]

This conversation, if no one shocked you.

[George Santos]

Can'T keep up are triggering the worst side of him.

[Milo]

Stop.

[Tim Pool]

I know it's the ultimate.

[Milo]

I'm used to you not being able to keep up.

[Tim Pool]

Let's put it. Milo, Milo, Tell me about your day. What do you want to talk about?

[Milo]

See, that was shady. That was shady. What do you Mean, that was shady. I love you, but that was shady.

[Tim Pool]

Why was that shady?

[Milo]

Because it was kind of like, okay, if you're going to do this again, then I'll just do the show, you know? You know it was shady. You know it was shady. Don't talk. That's an assumption to my intelligence. I'd like to talk about George. So.

You, of course, have seen. So cheese is really.

I don't know which one is.

[Tim Pool]

That's not water selection paralyzation.

[Milo]

No, but it's better than. Never mind.

George, we have a lot in common, at least at the surface, of course.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Milo]

And I. I do have a great affection for you. I think I love you. Wonderful.

And if I ever do need to, you know, block out the sun, you are the first person I would call.

[George Santos]

But just call me a walking eclipse. Fuck you.

[Milo]

Total eclipse. But.

There'S a lovely ad. I think it's for chocolate. And she goes, full moon, half moon, total eclipse. So we have some differences, though. And something that surprises me about us is you're quite a centrist in many ways, aren't you? So you're. I mean, I know that you're kind of moving away from politics anyway.

[George Santos]

Impractical.

[Milo]

Because it was bad for you.

[George Santos]

Put me in prison.

[Milo]

I think it's fair to say it was bad for you and bad to you. Yeah, I think it's reasonable to say that. But you're quite a centrist, which you would never expect. Do you often get people sort of thinking, oh, so you're not like a Fuentes guy? You're not like a dissident, whatever, because you have that kind of personality. Ordinarily, that would cleave to the. To the margins. Right. Because we're used to gays being, you know, the ages. But you're just, like, incredibly fucking boring. Why is that?

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[George Santos]

Incredibly fucking boring. It's not that I'm boring. I'm just practical. I mean, I don't. I don't subscribe to the. The left or the right all the way, you know, where they're meeting in the back with one another. So I'm just practical.

[Milo]

I think you've been a two years.

My.

[George Santos]

My point is, I think I can be Candace Owens and go batshit crazy. I can be.

[Milo]

No, I'm not.

[George Santos]

No, no, I'm not gonna. Can. Let me just. Let me finish my line of thought. I can be Candace Owens.

[Milo]

Troy. Think of Troy.

[George Santos]

I can be Candace Owens and go batshit crazy. I can be Nick Fuentes and be the most. This despicable human being on Earth.

[Milo]

Okay. We agree on that one.

[George Santos]

Okay. And then I can. There's so many other people. But I'd rather just not.

[Milo]

Your Twitter accounts have been quite. I mean, I did. I noticed on the way here, one of your Twitter accounts, not. Maybe not yours personally was like, according to Nick Fuentes or per Nick Fuentes commentary that was quite disturbing. Have you.

[Tim Pool]

From us.

[Milo]

Yeah. Have you changed your view on him? Because it's quite. I mean, you're. As a. As a show, you're getting a little. It's. That was surprising to me that you're kind of getting like anti cantus profuentis. That was unusual.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't. I don't think I tweeted anything like that.

[Milo]

Not you, but some. One of the.

[Tim Pool]

Like the news account or something. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm.

[George Santos]

It's a news account and it's per Nick Fuentes. I mean, that's a.

[Milo]

No, but it was like a. It was like a argumentative.

[George Santos]

I mean, look, a broken clocks right twice a day. I mean, even the most vile clock.

[Milo]

And clocks in his case the L is silent because he's got a Lilliputian fish hook, which I've never. If you.

[Tim Pool]

How many people get that reference? Well, so no one in Candace's audience, I'd imagine.

[Milo]

You know she has a book club. Do you.

No, I'm just saying I'm not trying to. Like, I really don't want to do this with you because I love you so much. But. But she. Wait, wait.

[George Santos]

What's the problem with not having a book club?

[Milo]

Because he's implying she's like, stupid ignorant. Her audience is stupid.

[George Santos]

No, no, no, no, no. That's not what he was implying. Was implying. It's their Gen Z.

[Milo]

No, but like, does her. Well, that's.

[George Santos]

I think you missed a mark.

[Milo]

Just wrong.

[Tim Pool]

To be fair, he's been extremely complimentary about her intelligence.

[Milo]

I was giving.

[George Santos]

She's very intelligent. She's just applying it.

[Milo]

And I was completely wrong that he would know what her audience demographics are, because they're not that.

[Tim Pool]

And no, I was saying her audience is stupid.

[Milo]

Yes, I know, but if their audience was stupid, why would she have like, a riotously successful book club about reading, where people pay to read books alongside her?

[Tim Pool]

What kind of people are in book club?

[Milo]

And it's. It's about. Well, I don't. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

It's a real question, by the way.

[George Santos]

That's a real question. I don't know what.

[Milo]

Well, the people who buy books are typically Women. Yes. But, but in her. About her audience.

[Tim Pool]

And I've never met a woman that was. Let me phrase that smarter than I.

[Milo]

You know, let me phrase it this way.

[Tim Pool]

All of them.

[Milo]

Let me phrase it this way.

Candice's audience. I don't think it would shock anybody to learn. And this is me speculation. It's not insider knowledge, but I know that I'm right. Is skewing more female over time because of the way she tells stories and the subjects that she's interested in are. No, no stuff.

[George Santos]

Okay. Sensational. She's extremely sensational. Without any backing, without any proof.

[Milo]

I don't think it's opinions.

[George Santos]

Me search. No real reason.

[Milo]

I don't think it's disrespectful to say.

[George Santos]

And I don't dislike Candace, by the way. And people are going to attack me for saying that, oh, George, shut the up. You went to prison. But that doesn't justify that. What she's doing is crazy.

I think she's very intelligent and she's using her intelligence.

[Milo]

I mean, of the view that somebody with your background is best place to talk about whether somebody is being dishonest in public, actually. So I, okay, great. I think she's being discounted for that.

[George Santos]

I think she's increasingly dishonest.

[Tim Pool]

But increasingly is an understatement.

[Milo]

I don't, I'm speculating here. I don't. Insider knowledge. But I know that I'm right about this. Her audience is beginning to skew.

[Tim Pool]

You don't know that you're right. I know her audience asks you female. It's very female code.

[George Santos]

So is mine.

[Milo]

But it's not.

[George Santos]

But it's, but it was my, my, my, like 63% of my audience on X alone is all women having done.

[Milo]

Two episodes with her and, and kind of, you know, he, he will know that you can, there are signs and signals that you can kind of intuit and be mostly on the money from outside. And you're not be too far off if you've done something like this before. So women typically buy books men don't really read. Men don't buy books. So I sold an enormous volume of books in 2017.

[George Santos]

Milo.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Milo]

And four fifths of them were to women. And many of those purchases were going to the sons or going to the sons afterwards. But four fifths of them were to women. And it wasn't to girls with Nazi boyfriends. It was to, let's say, maga moms or like older or, or midlife. So I don't think it's disrespectful to say about Candace Owens, that there's a true crime dimension to the flavor, the style, that she. That she does things right.

[Naomi]

Yes.

[Milo]

And women. And I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I love it.

[Milo]

I don't know if you know this because you're married.

[George Santos]

That doesn't make. What she's saying.

[Milo]

You don't know this. I don't know if you've ever met a woman.

[George Santos]

I was married to a woman. Before you even thought you were pretending to be straight.

[Milo]

Forgive me for having questions about what you claimed before you went away. So I. I just think that if you. I mean, if you know women, you understand that they are, like, obsessed with serial killers and true crime. Of course. Those are the big, you know, things.

[Tim Pool]

Soap opera drama where she talks about, like, how she colors.

[Milo]

Stop it.

[George Santos]

And that's exactly how she's building her podcast.

[Tim Pool]

Charlie said I'm a time traveler.

[George Santos]

Every. Every episode is so popular. But it's.

[Milo]

It is ludicrous in the extreme to say that when she. When she says, Charlie said I'm a time traveler, you know, and she knows and I know and you know that that's a metaphor.

[Tim Pool]

Of course. Right.

[Milo]

So what's weird about it?

[George Santos]

Nothing.

[Tim Pool]

Point that I made is he's saying.

[Milo]

She'S insightful and perceptive and she seems to tell what's coming.

[Tim Pool]

So let's caution.

[Milo]

Because.

[Tim Pool]

Because let me ask.

[Milo]

Especially for a woman, and I'll answer especially for a woman. She has a great pattern matching brain.

[Tim Pool]

So I'll answer this when I brought that up. My point is she is doing a soap opera where she is triggering the emotions of women. It's female coded. I didn't say it was wrong. I didn't say it was morally wrong. I said, this is a show for women.

[George Santos]

It's intentional.

[Milo]

You absolutely have said it's.

[Tim Pool]

But.

[Milo]

But. No, no, no, no.

[George Santos]

She.

[Milo]

Her behavior is morally wrong.

[Tim Pool]

What I have said is like.

[Milo]

That's obviously the impression you've left, but.

[Tim Pool]

You'Ve said what I said. Specific about how she is telling people to pull their funding from Turning Point.

[Milo]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And she's destroying the coalition. Democrats are going to win in the midterms because of what she cares.

[Milo]

Who said?

[George Santos]

No, I care.

[Milo]

Is anybody in this room still on Team Epstein? Because I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, I don't think there's.

[Milo]

I am terribly sorry. I am not on Team Epstein. I don't give it.

[Tim Pool]

But my, My, my Republican congressman isn't Trump. It's the midterms. It's not Trump, how does your local.

[Milo]

Republican congressman affect your life? He doesn't.

[George Santos]

He does.

[Tim Pool]

I actually would prefer it not if the Democrats win the midterms and then start committees and then start arresting media personalities and doing what they did.

[Milo]

We knew that when we elected the guy. We knew that was coming. It's either coming now or it's coming in two years or it's coming in four years. I mean, what's your point?

[George Santos]

It doesn't have to come.

[Milo]

Oh, just.

[George Santos]

No, it doesn't have to come. If we, if we stop this. Self inflicted.

[Milo]

Oh, yeah, sure. No, there's no.

[Tim Pool]

These are self inflicted.

[Milo]

You're absolutely right. There'll never be another Democrat president. So that's never.

[George Santos]

I'm not saying that.

[Tim Pool]

Milo.

[George Santos]

I'm not saying that.

[Milo]

That was baked in. When we, when we don't have.

[George Santos]

We don't have to forego the entirety of Congress to the Democrats only so that they can spend the next two years right after the midterms.

[Milo]

Because. Because they're so effective and useful and they're doing all these great things for America and then, I mean, really, really.

[George Santos]

If you look, I was one of them. They're not.

[Milo]

If you look at. Yeah, I mean, it's not your greatest. Because I like you personally, but you're the kind of person that gets elected to Congress. Like, stop it. Like, stop pretending these are people that we need.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I think, I think you.

[George Santos]

Managed, but I'm the first one to say that.

[Milo]

And that's why you're on a path to redemption that has saved you. And that. And that means that I'm the first.

[George Santos]

One to say that.

[Milo]

It means that I want to be a friend. And now Marjorie has joined you in that very bravely. I think, I think it's a great shame, but I get it.

[George Santos]

It's a great loss. In my opinion.

[Milo]

It's a loss and I get it. But prior to you two, I mean, you could get elected just inventing a story about yourself, a backstory about yourself that nobody even bothers checking. If they do, the voters don't care. That's what Congress is.

[Tim Pool]

But that, that, that's why it works.

[Naomi]

With Canada's own stories, because she's just fabricating stories. And it works.

[Milo]

Not yet. Not you as well.

[Naomi]

I'm sorry.

[Milo]

It's just that to Naomi.

[Naomi]

I'm sorry. In the beginning, I would have totally defended her and asked questions, but at this point, I feel like she's attacking the family.

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[Tim Pool]

Santa.

[Milo]

Santa, did you get my letter?

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He's talking to you, Bridges.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not.

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Of course he did.

[Tim Pool]

Right, Santa, you know my elf, Drew Ski here.

[Milo]

He handles the nice list.

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[Milo]

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[Tim Pool]

Kimber, the holidays are better.

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[Naomi]

Visit t mobile.com you have Charlie Kerr. It's like hacking his entire life.

[Milo]

I'm sorry. Like every.

[Tim Pool]

Every opportunity that comes up every year, I just desperately beg for a reason to go live in a van down by the river. I am getting inundated with messages from prominent conservative personalities thanking me for calling her out. But are too scared being paid? They're too. No, they're scared to.

[George Santos]

Scared to post.

[Milo]

They're not.

[George Santos]

No, no, they're privately.

[Milo]

They're being paid.

[Tim Pool]

People are privately messaging me here.

[Milo]

Sorry, are you saying that people are never paid to stay quiet?

[Tim Pool]

What? Do you think people are being paid to stay quiet?

[Milo]

Yes, because of course they are. Because. Because, I mean, there are all kinds of reasons why you want some might.

[Tim Pool]

Candace is paying them off. So they don't.

[Milo]

No, I don't mean Candace. I mean the other side. If you know somebody's going to be counterproductive to your mission, you'd pay them to shut up. Everybody. Everybody who has run a school board election knows that. Hold on, hold on. Because some people.

[Tim Pool]

Democrats are paying conservatives.

[Milo]

No, I'm talking about conservatives. Or people at Turning Point may. Well, look, look, anybody who's run a school board election knows that there are certain people whose endorsement is damaging.

[Tim Pool]

So. So. So explain what's going on. Like, so if you as conservatives who are thanking me for calling out candidates who won't do it themselves. Someone's paying them.

[Milo]

I'm not saying all of them, but in many, in many cases that may.

[Tim Pool]

In many cases, I mean sincerely, who do you think is. Who would be paying them?

[George Santos]

Okay, so who's paying them?

[Milo]

If you put it this way, I'm.

[George Santos]

Going to give you spinning. No, you're spinning. No, I'm going to give an.

[Milo]

I'm going to give answer. I'm going to, I think entities associated with, or possibly name names directly probably Turning Point because they are losing the war against Candace. They're losing.

[Tim Pool]

So why would. They're paying people to not.

[Milo]

That's what Turning Point does. That's what it is.

[George Santos]

Hold on, hold on.

[Milo]

That's what it is.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, okay, wait, hold on. Wouldn't Turning Point pay people to call out candidates?

[Milo]

That's what. No, no, because if you know that some, a particular person is going to be counterproductive. Listen, when Nick Fuentes wanted to damage Trump in the last election, I said there's only one way you can damage Trump. Endorse it him. It's the only way you can damage him. Right. When you know that somebody's endorsement is counterproductive to your cause, of course, you might pay them to shut up. And it happens all the time. I've done it. I've done it in congressional campaigns. I've done it in two national congressional.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait. So prominent conservative personalities are paid to shut up, but these are, these are mainstream, normal, prominent people.

[Milo]

Oh, come on, look around.

[Tim Pool]

I'll mention this. I'll give a shout out to house inhabit, who shouted me out too.

[George Santos]

But I don't want to call out.

[Tim Pool]

Anyone by name who's being, who's quietly saying, I'm not going to say anything, Hassan habit.

[Milo]

Who, by the way, I'm catching strays from this like, crazy old bitch now as well, who's like, you know, just very personal, very physical comments, like very I can look a bit crazy interviews right now because I have a lot of health problems, which causes various things. But, but like she's a nasty, vindictive, personal bitch. And, and, and, and she, or at least let me, let me rephrase that and say that her behavior has been that lately.

[George Santos]

Because who is this person that's, she's.

[Milo]

Kind of, she's kind of emerging. She's, I mean, she's like 60, 70, 000 follower. Kind of like on the, on the up and up. Right. But isn't that interesting in itself? What was her blog about. What was her blog about?

[Tim Pool]

It's like women's gossip drama stuff, isn't it? Yeah.

[Milo]

Yeah. So. So. So you just got to pay.

[George Santos]

You just proved our point about the kind.

[Milo]

Not the kind of person that you would expect to. Anyway, my point is this. I've done it into. Into congressional campaigns. There are people who. You just don't want to endorse your candidate.

[George Santos]

Look, there's.

[Milo]

Because it's counterpart.

[George Santos]

Because there's truth to that.

[Milo]

Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you for saying.

[Milo]

Look, I'm not saying, you know that.

[George Santos]

I know because I've been asked to stay out.

[Milo]

You guys been asked not to talk.

[George Santos]

Yes, and that's very true. There is, and I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

I have a question. I have a question I'm not accusing you of. I have to talk mile.

[George Santos]

I've never been paid. I wish I was.

[Tim Pool]

And I won't have a question. I have a question.

[Milo]

It's mink.

[Tim Pool]

What? Is that what you're wearing? It's me. Oh, the hat. Yeah. Right. So right now I'm looking at two things. All right, whatever. Let's. Let's step outside of the Candace thing a little bit and be a little bit more broad. But I have an opinion that the political fight we are in, we are facing defeat. And we won everything in the midterms we want.

[Milo]

No, we won everything.

[George Santos]

Yes. And we're about to lose everything.

[Tim Pool]

And we've got. Okay, hold on. Let me just get through this. Right, because we're looking at retirements.

[Milo]

It's been a decade of winning.

[Tim Pool]

So. So the midterms are coming up, and Trump is. Has got several marginal victories. Some of these things are not getting through. But let me. Let me just. I see prominent, prominent conservative personalities are refusing to speak out for what they claim they believe. They're thanking me for speaking out.

[Milo]

You're speaking. You're sticking up for these guys. When I'm saying is that they're normal political operatives, you're saying that they're spineless cowards.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Right. Well, then, okay, I'll take.

[Milo]

They're even worse people.

[Tim Pool]

So the question for me, getting paid. The question for me is the Brandon.

[Milo]

Tatum who keeps saying I'm not getting paid by Israel. Well, then you're an idiot.

[George Santos]

I never got paid by Israel either.

[Tim Pool]

My question is, Milo, what is my reason for being involved in any of this at all? Honest question.

[Milo]

Because this is what you do for a living. And because where the center of gravity is ideologically and, you know, commercially, too, it affects your business, affects your Life affects your children, affects your wife, affects everything about you. Why wouldn't you be interested to be weird if you weren't?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Why, why, why would I, Silly question. Why should I be this person?

[George Santos]

Why don't I.

[Milo]

Why do you have the opinions you have? Why do you have the position you have? No, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

How about I just go work behind the scenes at a PAC or a media company and just.

[Milo]

Because, because the function you're performing is valuable and in fact, in my view, essential. Because this is one of the shows that has such a broad guest base, almost, almost utterly unique in media. The only thing that really comes close is real time. And they have that because of the HBO prestige, glitz, glam and everything. And they can, you know, they can, they can get, get. Although a lot of conservatives won't go on it. They do come here though, and you have, you have, you have maybe the widest, most varied and most interesting and distinctive guest base in all of politics. Of course it's in your interest to, to. I'm not saying you're doing this, by the way, because I wouldn't accuse you of that because I don't believe that about you. I don't think you're that kind of person. But it would be in your interest to be anti Candace.

[George Santos]

I don't think so, actually.

[Milo]

I think it's in everyone's commercial it's in everyone's commercial interest to be anti Candace because everybody else is looking down and hers are going up. It's that simple.

[George Santos]

I don't think so. I think it's, you're wrong because the base seems to be siding with Candace. So counterpart.

[Tim Pool]

Actually, I actually think criticizing Candace has hurt our viewership. That's my point, actually. Got got cancellations on orders. My, my morning show subscribers have, have gone down. I've lost 3, 000 followers on X. I, I, I, I, I hate.

[Milo]

Should you join the winning side?

[Tim Pool]

No, I, I'd rather just go live in a van down by the river.

[Milo]

Isn't that bad? That's like, if I don't win, I'm out of here. I'm out of this.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, it's more like, Come on, it's, it's.

[George Santos]

I, I think he's, what he's trying to tell you he's not willing to sacrifice his principle because it doesn't sound like he's winning. No, seriously, just listen to what he's saying.

[Milo]

I'm listening to what he's saying and it sounds like he, it sounds like he's being affected by these guys, by these cowards he's talking to.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's.

[George Santos]

You're not that.

[Milo]

But, but it's a big.

[Tim Pool]

There's a big picture. And the big picture is this. There, there is a loose coalition on the right of various ideologies that came together because there was a unif. A unified. There was an enemy in wokeness, in insanity that was destructive. It's largely been routed. The right's not ripping each other apart. And don't you think it's necessary of.

[Milo]

What Trump has been doing in the White House, the fact that he is.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, indeed, he is once again the.

[Milo]

President of Jerusalem and not the president United States.

[George Santos]

Oh, come on.

[Milo]

He is once again. I don't want to hear this from you like that. He is once again releasing Jewish fraudsters who ripped off poor people and specifically in the executive orders saying they don't have to pay the fines back. Back. So they don't have to pay back their victims. And they don't.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not a fan of that, but.

[Milo]

I'm saying, like, isn't it, isn't it maybe a good thing that when it doesn't matter so much in a midterm versus when it matters a lot in a presidential election, that the right gets its, you know, what. Together and that we. And that. And that when. And that people have the opportunity to say, maybe some of it was Candace, but maybe most of it was Trump. The fact that the midterms were an underperformance and have. Have the opportunity to say some of it, because some of it is. Is what Donald Trump is doing.

[Tim Pool]

I completely agree.

[Milo]

When Donald Trump.

[George Santos]

I disagree.

[Tim Pool]

I agree that Donald Trump is dropping the ball.

[Milo]

Yes. When Donald Trump said, if you are. And I think I know why this is because I think that Trump was probably a confidential informant against Jeffrey Epstein back in the day.

[Tim Pool]

I agree with that.

[Milo]

I think he probably helped the FBI take Epstein down the first time. That's the only explanation I can see.

[Tim Pool]

Based on what Mike Johnson said.

[Milo]

It's the only.

[Tim Pool]

Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson.

[George Santos]

What did Mike Johnson say? I missed.

[Tim Pool]

And then he, and then he walked it back the next day saying, oh, I misspoke.

[George Santos]

I, I couldn't hear what.

[Tim Pool]

Mike Johnson was asked a question at a press gaggle, and he said something to the effect of, you know, that's why Donald Trump kicked Epstein out of his club. That's why he was an informant to the FBI.

[Milo]

No, no, he's explicit. He said Trump was an informant.

[Tim Pool]

I know that's Why? I said he was an informant to the FBI.

[Milo]

Forgive me. Sorry. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He was saying this chain of thought.

[George Santos]

I missed that.

[Tim Pool]

And everyone went, holy sh.

[Milo]

And then he rolled it back.

[Tim Pool]

And the next day he said, no, no, I didn't mean it.

[Milo]

I misspoke. But. But in addition to that, and I think more importantly, more persuasively, because people do misspeak all the time. Some of the awkwardness.

[George Santos]

Not Mike Johnson. Sorry, Not Mike Johnson. Well, I mean, very intentional. I know the man fairly well, so maybe it is.

[Milo]

Maybe it is a powerful. More powerful than I think. But when.

Trump seized up in panic, because that's what happened over the subject of Epstein.

[George Santos]

No, he didn't.

[Milo]

It's a limited number of explanations for that, where he kept making. He kept making very, very obvious missteps designed to piss off everyone who loves him most. Like Marjorie, like me, everybody. Who loves the most people who. And I'm not saying that I put him in office twice, but I did want. I've did. The first time. I did help. I was a big component the first time. But a lot of people who put him in office were like, what? Because Jeffrey Epstein, as Bannon has said, and who would know better than him? It turns out.

[George Santos]

Oh, you're gonna quote Bannon, who consulted.

[Milo]

I just. I just said, who would know better than him? As it turns out.

[George Santos]

I just want to make that very clear for everybody listening.

[Milo]

I just said, who would know better, as it turns out, he said that Epstein was the key that picks the lock. Right. Of all of the kinds of things that people are asking, like, what is going on here? Why is this. Like this? And why is it. Jeff Epstein was one of the central ideological planks of MAGA teleology. Like, why does the world work like it does? Why do things look weird? Why do those people keep getting away with it and those people keep not getting away with it? Jeffrey Epstein was considered by everybody who voted for Donald Trump as a central pillar of understanding that we would unlock, and it would be like a code where bits of the universe would get, like, decoded for us. Like, oh, my goodness.

[Tim Pool]

It's because of that judge.

[Milo]

It's because of that. Everybody had that expectation. And there isn't one person who voted for Donald Trump who did not want and did not expect the Epstein files to be released immediately.

[George Santos]

I did not have that expectation. I did not vote for Trump.

[Milo]

Okay, fine. Everybody except George, of course.

[George Santos]

No, that's not true.

[Tim Pool]

There's so many people.

[Milo]

I voted for many other reasons and went, stop it. Stop it. Grow up.

[George Santos]

You think that puts food on the table?

[Milo]

Grow up.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, come on.

[Milo]

Oh, this. Oh, it's about egg prices. Stop it.

[George Santos]

Come on.

[Milo]

Part of the reason that Trump was elected in 2016 was that Hillary Clinton was emblematic of the way that the world was going wrong. This secret elite collusion, Epstein, it was all linked and people who voted for him the first time and people who voted for him every time since. You can't find me someone apart from George apparently, who did not want to see the Epstein files. Let me ask you, and I promise I'll wrap up and let someone else go. But when he said.

There'S no Epstein files and then the Democrats made it up and then stop asking. And then if you're asking, you're not a fan of mine, and then if you're asking, I don't want you.

[Tim Pool]

I agree with all of this.

[Milo]

That is the moment Trumpism died.

[Tim Pool]

I agree.

[Milo]

And don't we need a reckoning? And if that reckoning comes through, the obviously prompts. I'm nearly done. The obviously inadequate account from the feds and Turning Point about what happened around before and after Charlie Kirk's death, where his ride or die homegirl is asking questions that have. Have exposed some inconsistencies and some questions and which seem to point to a different etiology for the crime than the one that we're being told. I mean, everybody from Turning Point looks so sinister, suspicious and guilty all the time. And they're losing to her. Respect the public on that. At least they're losing to her. And they have every reason to be winning.

[Tim Pool]

So she has every reason.

[Milo]

Isn't it smart for us to have that reckoning at the Republican Party right now?

[Tim Pool]

So. So right. So let me, let me ask you. You praised me for the Jack Dorsey thing that I did when I sat down with Jack Dorsey on Rogan. What do you view my motivation as for sitting down and ask and challenging them on these things?

[Milo]

I think that you are a man of good character and I think that you are compelled. I see in your journalism. I've seen it when you were out and about more when we first met, like back in the day. And I see it now in here. I see I'm blow smoke up. There's a reason I like you. I mean, you've been very good to me. But there's also other reasons I like you.

I think that you are seized by injustice sometimes and you just like get. And you get visibly angry about people who tell lies or who are hypocritical. Or withhold information from the public. That's critical. I don't believe you got it right. In the case of Candace, my friend. I don't. But that clear and ferocious motivation you have. You may have others. Maybe that wasn't the right answer, but it's definitely.

[Tim Pool]

It is the right answer. I respect that answer.

[Milo]

I think it's your primary motivation. And that primary motivation marks you out as a man of good character. I just think you got it wrong on this one thing. Is that okay?

[Tim Pool]

Sure. And so I'll give you my thoughts. I feel like my principal motivation for everything is not even political. It is.

[Milo]

I agree with you.

[Tim Pool]

What is true and what is not.

[Milo]

Yeah. I believe you. I absolutely believe that.

[Tim Pool]

That. Yeah. The liquid death thing was he lied about plastic. He did.

[Milo]

And when you cut this thing open. Because I didn't get to say it earlier because I was talking too much, which I still am.

[Tim Pool]

When plastic.

[Milo]

When you cut this thing open, It's.

[Tim Pool]

A plastic bag and it says death of plastic on it.

[Milo]

And they. And not just that, but they said that profits go to help kill plastic pollution. That's interesting. Lawyered wording. That wasn't on the cans originally. Isn't it like, stop, stop.

[Tim Pool]

So. So the issue that I see.

[Milo]

That's why you should drink pool water. Pool water is 100% artesian water. I don't know what artesian is, but it's. It's on a lot of expensive stuff, so you should buy this.

[Tim Pool]

So Candace tweeted out that you should not donate to this godforsaken organization.

[Milo]

They've got 500 million.

[George Santos]

They've got 500 million in the bank.

[Milo]

They don't need any more money, especially not to lie to Americans.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, sorry, I should run.

[Naomi]

But they offered to speak with her, and she said that she didn't.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but listen.

[Milo]

But they lost that, too. They lost that.

[Tim Pool]

And we know they called her bluff and cheeks.

[Milo]

No, we've got mutual friends. And I'll tell you who they are after the show. And I'm sincerely sorry. I can't do it. I know that I have to do this sometimes because you, like me, know a lot of people, and you just can't say everything. You know, you can't. You can't, because it blows up friendships and things that really matter later.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I end up saying everything anyway, and.

[Milo]

Yeah, me too, but I'm not doing it now. But we have friends in common. And I'll tell you who they are. Two of them who told. Who are turning point people who are tights with Turning Point who told them they're losing and they're getting it wrong. And. And that's what I think, too. She's winning. She's obviously winning.

[Naomi]

Yes, and you're totally correct on the political dimension. But the question at the end is why did somebody or whoever is behind it murder Charlie Kirk? And that's why we should actually get to the point. I'm totally fine with asking questions.

[Milo]

I do not.

[Naomi]

At this point, I feel like Candace is just making up stories out of the truth.

[Milo]

And he is. I'm not saying.

[George Santos]

I think it's. I'm not going to say, Milo.

[Milo]

I'm not going to say. Because I don't know that Candace has arrived at the right answer today or that she will do in a month. But I can tell you this.

[Naomi]

She's not even trying. That's the issue that I have that.

[Milo]

I don't agree with.

[Tim Pool]

With.

[Milo]

Look, Candace is the one person in public life, the one, because it was not Erica who has exhibited genuine heartbreak and grief over.

[George Santos]

Okay, hold on, hold on.

[Milo]

I can't tell another person, not be.

[Tim Pool]

The judge of that.

[George Santos]

That is not fair to Eric.

[Milo]

She lost and everybody agrees.

[George Santos]

But you can't be the judge of that. You can't. You can't talk about grieving. No, Milo, you're wrong. I love you.

[Tim Pool]

No, but you're the judge.

[Milo]

And they have judging a widow.

[Tim Pool]

I have a question. No, it's an honest question. Has Candace cried on camera at any of these shows? It's an honest question. I mean, I don't watch her.

[Milo]

It's a flippant and silly answer. But she's. I know that she has cried a lot.

[George Santos]

I know that because I'm not denying they were great friends.

[Tim Pool]

I'll tell you what I think.

[Milo]

She's. She. She is. It is. It is certainly true that in recent years there was a drifting of a turning point in Candace and perhaps something of a drifting between turning point. Excuse me, between Charlie and Candace. Maybe it was the pressure from his donors that we now know he was speaking about late, just before his death, saying it was a reason it was pushing him anti Israel. Maybe he was initially convinced to distance himself from Candace as a result of the pressure. We know for a fact because they confirmed it.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to give you. But I'm going to give you a hard example.

[Milo]

The only ride or die homegirl for that man and she is the only person who ever has.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to give you a specific example from her show. Yeah, she Highlighted claims that Turning Point was committing fraud. And these claims were. There were a few.

[Milo]

This is about the. The tax. Something. Right?

[Tim Pool]

Right. And it's all lies. The tax form thing is all lies and manipulations.

[Milo]

When you say.

[Tim Pool]

And Let me, let me, let me, let me. Yes, absolute lies. The man behind these videos claims to be an accountant. Okay. So either he's lying about being an accountant or he's lying to you. He said the tax forms were missing, as if to imply they did not file, or they should have.

[Milo]

They had not filed yet.

[Tim Pool]

In fact, they filed. He even mentions, I'm pretty sure in his video, the October deadline.

[Milo]

Isn't it true that they filed on the day.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. Exactly.

[Milo]

And isn't it true that when he said that they hadn't filed yet.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Milo]

Was there a way for him to know they had filed? Because there is an enormous gap between when you file your taxes and when it shows up on the IRS website.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Which means they could have filed it in May.

[Milo]

So. So in order.

[Tim Pool]

So that means it would.

[Milo]

So in order to say that it is a lie, what you have to do is.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. I'm not done. How about you let me finish?

[Milo]

Sorry. Yes, you're right.

[Tim Pool]

You're right. Right. So. So in his latest video, he claims that the new filings, which, quote, mysteriously appeared, which they literally didn't. I mean, it's framing. He says that.

$1.4 million was paid by Turning Point over three years to a parking lot. In fact. That's just false. He's just making things up. It was 110 LLC registered to a UPS store where there are mailbox. A single member LLC is likely a contractor who uses an LLC for business purposes.

[Milo]

For sure. For sure.

[Tim Pool]

And this. These are. These are the stories.

[Milo]

Okay. I'm not going to tell you, because I haven't looked into this, that he's not wrong.

[Tim Pool]

But he's completely wrong.

[Milo]

And so I accept what you say.

[Tim Pool]

But when Candace call him a liar.

[Milo]

Without vetting to call him a liar.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, I'll call him.

[George Santos]

It's not about calling him a liar. He's intentionally manipulating information.

[Milo]

Most importantly, to call Candace a liar, you have to reach. You have to do two things that you cannot do. The first is you have to travel in time. And the second is you have to reach inside her head and see what her thought process was. Was.

[Tim Pool]

You kiss Candace Smart. You.

[Milo]

Can she. Are you. Can you seriously doubt it?

[Tim Pool]

I agree that.

[Milo]

Can you seriously doubt.

[Tim Pool]

Let me tell you why I default to Liar.

[Milo]

Really? Honest with you, I didn't used to think she was brilliant.

[Tim Pool]

I'll tell you why I default to liar. I've met her, I've been on her show, she's been on my show. She's a genius. Yeah, she is quick witted and well read.

[Milo]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So when she sees someone make a stupid statement like tax forms mysteriously disappeared, there's no way I believe you seen.

[Milo]

Genius posted about the atom bomb. I mean like people geniuses can make moral mistakes. Geniuses can make research mistakes. In fact.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, let's try this. Most of the UTC meant Utah time. Most of she posted her own lawyer's address. In fact, how about this? The feds work at her lawyer's office.

[Milo]

It is perfectly normal for her feds to be working for a big office building to contain multiple companies and when they do so lawyers didn't VAT that.

[Tim Pool]

The cars actually went to the airport.

[Milo]

When they do so. It is extremely normal for lawyers to share offices with government department.

[Tim Pool]

She did not vet for the security at the planes at the airport actually loaded up cars and went to that building. She made that up.

[Milo]

You're not going to hear from me that she's got everything right. I'm not here to say that endless. Clearly, clearly that's not the case. But first of all, I believe that she is motivated by a sincere desire to find out what happened to Charlie Kirk. Second, we don't know. We still don't know because they are telling untruths about it. I know for. I know for a fact, for an absolute fact that Charlie has not been buried yet. I know for an absolute incontrovertible fact, he's not buried yet. Why? Why? When? When there's no good reason for it. I know for a fact, I'm telling you, you know that my faith is sincere. I hope. Right. You know that I, I. Thanks for leaving that dog. Thanks for leaving the silence there. No, you, you. I hope that. I hope that you understand that I'm a sincere person. I swear on my little boy I lost. I swear, cat not person. But you know, I swear on, on God, on the blessed Mother, I swear on Jesus Christ, I know for a incontrovertible fact that Charlie has not been buried yet. There's no good reason for that. None whatsoever. Unless some trickery is afoot because. And they're telling people, oh, it's because we're planning to build a giant mausoleum. Well, you put together the biggest political event in the last hundred years in three days. Where's the mausoleum Girl. Sorry. No, I know for a fact he has not been buried. He has not been buried. Why? Because people are asking them, they're saying, I want to go pay my respects to Charlie Kirk. I can go visit Nietzsche. I can visit Karl Marx. Why can't I visit Charlie Kirk? Where is he buried? Where is his gravestone? And you better have a damn good reason why he's not buried yet.

[Tim Pool]

Do you have a.

[Naomi]

And I genuinely mean it, and I say that I would appreciate it and I would prefer it if you are the face of skepticism towards Turning Point usa.

[Milo]

Yeah, but nobody else is doing it. She's the only one, so how dare anybody give her a shit for this?

[Tim Pool]

Like, how do you give a shit for this? She's the only one. She's the only endless.

[Milo]

She is the only one with a massive platform who has devoted.

[Tim Pool]

I miss Bridget Macron being a man. And Blake Lively drama.

[Milo]

Absolutely agree with Bridget Macron. 100. No, no.

[George Santos]

You're saying Bridge Macron's a man?

[Milo]

100%.

[Tim Pool]

They cannot be.

[Milo]

They cannot be.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not interested in this. I'm not interested in any of where this is going.

[Milo]

Let's change this.

[Tim Pool]

I am not interested in an active lawsuit. I'm not interested in this industry. I am not interested. I am not interested. And. And the issue is this. You said before, if I'm not winning, why am I here? That's not. That's my point. My point is, if I am not wanted, I don't want to be here.

[Milo]

But you are wanted, and you're more than wanted. You're necessary. But you're getting pissed off because people don't agree with you, and that's not okay.

[Tim Pool]

That's not why I'm pissed off.

[Milo]

Yeah, it is.

[George Santos]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

My motivation for going against Jack Dorsey was not that people didn't agree with.

[Milo]

I didn't say that.

[Tim Pool]

I said.

[Milo]

No, no.

[Tim Pool]

In fact, everybody agreed with me. I said.

[Milo]

I said that I admired what you did with him and I admired what you did with Liquid Death.

[Tim Pool]

This is my point.

[Milo]

I don't love what happened here. So. And now I think there's a mistake here.

[Tim Pool]

As. As there's been an increase in the questions around what Candace is doing, and I have increasingly been critical of what she's doing over the past few months. And she crossed the line with these vague. Listen. I'll put it like this. In. In the most of my life, I grew up around the hacking community and computer nerds and my. The thing that I. That I focus on Was called social engineering. Are you familiar with hackers? So I was staying at a hacker.

[Milo]

Space I run security for. Yeah. So I. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And so I ended up working for nonprofits doing fundraising, communications. Manipulation is the principal function of social. Of hacking in general. Most times someone's breaking into a computer, they're not actually doing code.

[Milo]

No. They get somebody. Somebody. They persuaded somebody to give them.

[Tim Pool]

Right. I'm watching Candace do all of the components of social engineering.

[Milo]

This is tech support. Would you mind click on this link so I can share screen and fix your problem?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And Candace Owens is doing the lowest grade, but well done. Social assumptive reasoning manipulation. And it's. And it is evil.

[Milo]

It's evil. Okay, so I think it's ridiculous for you earlier on to claim that you're not saying what she's doing is morally wrong and then to call what she's doing evil. I think it's.

[Tim Pool]

I think it is more like. What do you mean?

[Milo]

So you said earlier that. You said, no, no, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

When I said, she talks about her texts with Charlie, I didn't call that evil. I said, she's allowed to share text with Charlie. And I said, this is an example of a show that's female coded and a lot of women want to watch.

[Milo]

People will rewind and make their own judgments about that.

[Tim Pool]

And that's what I've consistently said. But I'll tell you what, when I bump into some young men who are Gen Z. And the first thing. So here's what happens. These three young guys. One guy says to me, oh, hey, you're. You're the podcast. You're Tim Pool. And then his buddy goes, who's he? And he's like, he's in a big podcast. He's like, like, you know, Trump interviewed Trump. The guy then says, do you know, oh, what do you think about Candace? And I said, what about her? And he goes, she went into hiding because they're trying to kill her. And I said, you mean she took Thanksgiving off, but she makes these tweets that resulted in viral posts. She knows she's doing it it. When she says, our show is off the air as an update, the White House has confirmed receipt of the plot against me.

[Milo]

You keep claiming interior knowledge of her mental state which you do not possess and cannot possess.

[Tim Pool]

I am not going to play this game. I've seen a. I am not going to play this game where you're like, well, she's insinuated literally every fucking time some nefarious. But she didn't explicitly Say it. So I'm too stupid. I'm not going to believe it.

[Milo]

I'm not playing. I'm not playing a game with you. I'm really not. But I am saying I have heard you tell people on this show that they cannot have knowledge of somebody else's interior mental state. I've heard you say it. Why do you claim you have it?

[Tim Pool]

That point is specifically about Donald Trump. And my point was in certain areas, Trump lies about really stupid things.

[Milo]

He does. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then when it comes to, you know, high level foreign policy stuff, he'll get something wrong, but they'll always default to a lie. It might be a lie.

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[Milo]

Santa, did you get my letter?

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tim Pool]

Visit t mobile.com it might not be but the media defaulting to it. Now the issue is you are making.

[Milo]

My point for me.

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm making the point that when default Candace. Now when Candace makes a tweet that intentionally, you can't say that, right? Because if it's if she referenced a tweet that was a lie but she thinks it's true, she's not lying. I'm going to. I'm going to go ahead and say.

[Milo]

I do respect your judgment actually to a point on this. If but you as a literal Matter of objective reality.

[Tim Pool]

You cannot know that if Donald Trump sometimes lies and sometimes doesn't. My point is we try to parse out when we think he's lying and when we think he's not. And if Candace is doing what is considered to be a basic social.

[Milo]

You're going a bit further than that, though, with Candace, though, aren't you?

[Tim Pool]

No, you are.

[Milo]

You're saying what she's doing is evil.

[Tim Pool]

What I think is evil is the.

[Milo]

Big picture that somebody.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not talking about a single action.

[Milo]

Somebody heard that. Somebody heard a man who. Look, when she put Charlie Cook's Spotify playlist up, my first thought was, that is not the Spotify playlist of a heterosexual man. My second thought was, why would. It's just not. It's not. It's Nicki Minaj and Lord. It's just not. Straight men don't listen.

[Tim Pool]

That.

[Milo]

They just don't. Let me put.

[Tim Pool]

Let me put a. Waiting to see if anyone's like, hey.

[Milo]

I like straight men are not bopping along to monster.

[Tim Pool]

I bought to monster. So. So. Right. So let me say this.

[Milo]

The second thing that occurred to me was Candace having the intimate purchase on him that she obviously feels and feels at a threat and at risk. Like it's. I know I've. I've stayed with her down in. I've been there. Down with. In Tennessee. We didn't get on. I have no reason to be nice about Candace.

[Tim Pool]

None.

[Milo]

She tried to get me fired from Easy when she didn't know that I was doing. I was. I was working in the bus's best interest. Okay. She went in hard trying to get. Yeah. Kanye west to fire me. And it was over the course of months.

[Tim Pool]

Months.

[Milo]

I have no reason to be nice about her. Zero.

[Tim Pool]

None. Let me ask you a question.

[Milo]

But on this issue, I have more sympathy with her than I do with the other side. Because I see someone. Since, in my view, sincerely searching for the truth. Is everything she says correct? No. Is.

[Tim Pool]

Is she.

[Milo]

Is she carpet bombing the world with lies? Absolutely not.

[Tim Pool]

When she said this feels like an inside job.

[Milo]

It does.

[Tim Pool]

What does.

[Milo]

It does? The conspiracy of silence around.

[Tim Pool]

But no, no, no.

[Milo]

That's my trick on this show.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Milo]

That's my thing. What's conspiracy? Someone else is like getting to a good point. That's my thing.

[Tim Pool]

Again, let me point this out.

[Milo]

The astronomically in adequate explanations given, in my view, for the actions before, at and after Charlie's death and the behavior afterwards from both the federal government and Turning Point executives. You think, say Nothing of his deeply, deeply sinister wife.

[George Santos]

What?

[Tim Pool]

Erica? No, he's.

[George Santos]

How is she sinister? No, Milo, Milo, please, please. Genuine question.

[Naomi]

Do you know.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, hold on.

[George Santos]

No, no, hold on. Please, Please explain to me. How is Erica Kirk sinister?

[Milo]

Have you seen the difference in the size of her hands with Charlie's in their wedding pictures, and then compared it to him in. In his casket?

[Tim Pool]

Are you saying she's a man?

[Milo]

No, no, I'm saying that that wasn't Charlie in there.

[Tim Pool]

What are you talking.

[Milo]

I'm saying there's something. There's something up. There's something.

[George Santos]

So you're saying he's hidden?

[Milo]

I'm not saying he's hidden. I don't say alive somewhere, I don't know. But. But his body hasn't been buried. Did they lose it? It happens.

[George Santos]

It happens.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think there's a possibility that Charlie is alive?

[Milo]

I think it's vanishingly slight. I think it's the. Probably the most.

[George Santos]

Oh, you even give it a slight.

[Milo]

Of course it's possible. And. And the behavior of some of the turning point people makes me wonder. I tweeted today for the first time ever, I. I didn't name him, but just thinking aloud. Do you think he's still alive, but.

[Tim Pool]

You think there's a possibility that faked his death?

[Milo]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

But then why wouldn't Candace say something more to that degree?

[Milo]

It's probably the most difficult thing to prove.

[Tim Pool]

And so why won't Candace call out Erica?

[Milo]

She has. She has. She's got. She's. Not only does she, as she mentioned, I mean, she's done it. Candace is the ultimate master of the tease.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Now you will say, oh, so you're agreeing with me now?

[Milo]

You will say, no, no, no, no. You will say that that tease is entirely dishonest, fraudulent, and manipulative and. And wicked. I think she just is the master storyteller. The truth perhaps is in the middle.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed.

[Milo]

Maybe the truth is in the middle.

[Tim Pool]

We agree. But she's telling stories.

[Milo]

Stories is a news term, and I know about stories, and stories is a news term, and that's the manner in which I meant it.

[Tim Pool]

So when Ben Shapiro said that she implied Erica killed Charlie, was he wrong?

[Milo]

I. I think at that time, she had not done so. I think later there were comments that I. I would have to check the chronology, but I think that later there were comments where I'm like. And. And I. I read today, and I did not check it out because I'm always up two or three days late catching up her show. Although I do watch her religiously. That's the queen. I'm always a couple of days behind watching on the show because I've got, you know, I've got stuff going on. But, but, but somebody tweeted today that Candace said that, that, that she believed that they were about to get a divorce. I think he was gay. And I, and I, and I, I think he was gay.

[George Santos]

And come on, you know that I've.

[Tim Pool]

You do know that I've criticized what.

[George Santos]

Like, I, this is, I'm sorry, Tim, but like, why would you even go there? Like to say something like that. No, no, no, the man's dead. You're calling now.

[Milo]

You.

That'S when people can tell the truth.

[George Santos]

I, I know, I, I disagree.

[Milo]

That's what I, because let me tell you, let me tell you why. Okay? And, and, and if you want to, if you want to read in a vindictive crusade on my part for everything I've just said, you are entitled to do so, and so the viewers. But I'll tell you what happened. I'll tell what Charlie Cook did to me. Charlie was a very brilliant, very, very brilliant organizer, fundraiser, networker. Those three things, phenomenal, probably the best in the business, maybe, certainly one of the top two, three, amazing at those things. But he was also very ruthless, who's a very ruthless person who spent a long time excising and excommunicating all of the most interesting people in politics from the right wing. He did it for a decade. Everybody knows it. Nobody said it, because it's not polite. In the aftermath of his death, Charlie.

[Tim Pool]

Gave a platform.

He gave a platform.

[Milo]

To lily livered centrist, weak frauds, faggots and prostitutes and drag queens. What he also did at that same time, what he also did at that same time, and anybody in power, anybody in power. What he also did at that same time was systematically extinguish the light of anybody who could not be controlled. And I'm one of them. And I'm going to tell you what happened.

When you hear rumors about sexual impropriety about me now, most people like, yeah, probably true. There's a reason for that, Charlie. When I was at my, the height of my fame, the height of my popularity.

Charlie made up a rumor that I was having sex with children on campuses, underage boys on college campuses, and I was selling them drugs. And he did that because there was no other way they could seize a monopoly on college campuses because I was just so totally dominant and they didn't have anybody in the influence alone. Because at that time, Charlie was this really shitty speaker. He got a lot better towards the end, I think. He got a lot better, man, towards the end, honestly. I think having kids really changed him, if I'm honest. But at that time, very ruthless person. And. And they had nobody that could go up against me. He made up that lie. He forced every Turning Point chapter. And everybody, Everybody has heard 20 instances where Turning Point has canceled somebody everybody knows 20 times. It's happened, all right? Happened to Ashley Sinclair, for God's sake. Happened to everybody, okay? Most of us. Most of us.

You have walked a very fine line. And because of the broadness and because of the mission that you're on, you've escaped the wrath of Turning Point Point.

[Tim Pool]

But if I haven't.

[Milo]

Oh, you haven't? Oh, no.

[Tim Pool]

They disinvited us a little recently.

[Milo]

Ah, well, yeah. That's the DNA of the organization. That's what it is. That's what it does. It. It is a thermostat. A thermostat is a control device. A thermostat's job is to monitor the temperature and if it gets too hot or too cold, to make an adjustment to do something to force the temperature.

[Tim Pool]

And why are they losing back where it should be?

[Milo]

Because it worked for a very long time, but it did not work in the wake of their most audacious misstep, which is what we don't know about Charlie Crook's death. There's something. I don't know what it is. I don't know if Candice is right.

[George Santos]

Why can't we just accept?

[Milo]

But there's something. Now, let me just fit. Let me say I have Charlie on tape.

Telling chapter presidents that if they book me, this is 2016, 2017, okay? If they book me, he will dissolve their chapters. And he did it on the basis of an outrageous, utterly untrue. I was married by then. I was, like, so stupid. I was completely in love with that guy. I was, you know, I have a completely faithful marriage. It was utterly untrue. And he used it to extinguish me on campuses. I was canceled immediately after Berkeley, so it looks like I went out at the height of my fame. But as you know, there's a lag, right? And I had a tour booked up to Berkeley, but for nine months prior to that, I couldn't get booked anywhere. I was. Because as the smart thing to do when you're like that is to book next year now, right? I couldn't book anywhere. And I found out, and I have evidence I have the tapes. More than one that he made up that lie to seize a monopoly on college campuses. And it worked. And he told people that I was having sex with underage students and that I was selling them drugs. Now I can understand why I might buy drugs from a student. So it was a particularly stupid lie, although I didn't. I can understand why, you know, I, I'm not going to tell you I didn't have a line of Adderall at a frat party. I'm not going to tell you that. I'm sure I did. I know I did. I remember I did. I remember doing it. But never in a million years did any money change hands for anything like that. And never in a million years did I have any sexual contact with any student at any university on my tour. You can't produce one. Nobody's ever been able to. But Charlie told everybody that's what I was doing on my bus tour. And so when we talk about this, when we lionize this figure, it's important to remember what we're doing. Charlie Cook was very effective for Trump, no question. And the reason I didn't go after Charlie, and you know what I'm like, the reason I didn't go after Charlie, to tell you the truth, is that I thought he was a net positive for the country and I thought he was valuable to Trump. I didn't think it was in anybody's interest to do so. And I was like, I guess you would say I was biting my time, right? And I said, and I tweeted once, don't ever stop being useful, Charlie. But that lie fed into the lie they told later or the, you know, mischievous or malicious, like, edit of whatever and started what became my excision from public life. It cost me hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Tim Pool]

Have you heard what I've said?

[Milo]

Hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Tim Pool]

Have you heard what I've said about Turning Point?

[Milo]

Yes, they've come for you now, too.

[Tim Pool]

Not. No, hold on, hold on.

[Milo]

Well, just a moment ago. But specifically, I don't recall your whole.

[Tim Pool]

And I've done this in. It's probably appeared in Axios and the, the Washington Post and maybe the Daily Mail at this point. They are attempting to reorient around Bush era Republicanism.

[Milo]

True.

[Tim Pool]

Neoconservative.

[Milo]

True.

[Tim Pool]

And this means they have to excise coalition members on the right. True. And so, and let me just.

[Milo]

Now you get. Now you're getting to the good stuff, because now you're, now you're seeing that.

[Tim Pool]

And let me, let me, let me Let me go on. I went to. I got a call from Andrew Colvitt and he asked me if I could come out and co host Charlie's show. And I said it's really hard to do. The only one really we can do it is if we do Tim cast from, from Turning Point like we've done before.

[Milo]

You know, they had to zip and his chair to the desk so none of the people left would sit in his chair. Did you know that?

[Tim Pool]

Wow. Let me, let me, Let me, let.

[Milo]

Me tell you this because every single bitch there was trying to desperate to leap into his chair, they zip tied his chair to people.

[Tim Pool]

Let me tell you what happened because.

[Milo]

Andrew Colvette would have been in that chair faster than you can say let.

[Tim Pool]

Me, Let me tell you what happened.

[Milo]

All right, so ask him right now. So let me go ask everybody at Turning Point. Go to that desk and take a photo of it right now.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe they zip it in the last month or so.

[Milo]

Maybe the zip tie is going to come off any second. But they zip tied it the week he died. Within 40 hours of his death.

[Tim Pool]

I have also heard the same thing. I was standing there watching the chair.

[Milo]

I don't remember.

[Tim Pool]

So let me, Let me tell you. Milo. Let me, let me finish.

[Milo]

You've heard it too.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, from several people.

[Milo]

Right? Me too.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, Let me tell you what happened. So we went down and I did my morning show in Arizona. We did Tim cast IRL from Turning Point and we did. We. I did Charlie's show and then we combined Thought Crime with Tim Cast. And when we were there, I asked Colvette and another guy what's the plan for Amfest. Right. We've. We've done the same slot for three years in a row. They. They bring us out. I assume that you and paid them.

[Milo]

Quite a lot of money.

[Tim Pool]

No, it was they about you. Yeah, yeah. I've never paid to be there.

[Milo]

I don't mean to say that to cost aspersions.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Milo]

With Turning Point usually money is changing.

[Tim Pool]

Hands one way you pay to be on stage for a lot of people. Right?

[Milo]

Right. But we were need to do that.

[Tim Pool]

But we were considered, we were considered to be one of their core media partner or something. Right? No, a big get. Right. For. For Charlie. The idea was we have a more moderate, urban liberal audience that shifted rightward and he wanted coalition. Right.

[Milo]

I would imagine. Well, I know that you, a large slice of your audience comes from the Gamergate metal hinterland with the music that you know that you both like and with the kind of Online nerd culture and certain pockets that it's, it's that. That maybe drifted right over the last 15 years.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, you got a lot of you. So my understanding from what Charlie said, from what Andrew said is that Charlie valued the audience we have because it was an audience they couldn't reach.

[Milo]

Correct.

[Tim Pool]

So us being on stage was valuable to them.

[Milo]

Absolutely correct.

[Tim Pool]

So when I asked them how would.

[Milo]

Turning Point ever reaching exactly, they'd thrive every time.

[Tim Pool]

And so, so let me, let me finish, let me finish. I'm curious your thoughts on all this. I'll tell you where we are at. I'm interrupting and I'll give, I'll give a look, I'll give a little bit of the more nitty gritty details on everything that's going on because I'm kind of just a little jaded. But. So while we were there, this is the beginning of October. I asked them what the plan was for Amfest and they said, nothing's changed, the plan is the same. And I said, okay, fantastic. Andrew said, it is rough, you know, because you guys are on stage for a long time. I said, anything you need from us to accommodate, we can shorten the show. I understand it's rough now with Charlie. It's a bit chaotic.

[Milo]

Who would say anything else?

[Tim Pool]

So two weeks go by. My booker, you know, Lisa's reaching out to them and I'm texting shout out bra Boonis. And we're told we'll get back to you. I texted Jack, Posobic and Colvitt and Colvitt doesn't respond. And Jack texts back saying, I talked with Andrew. He says, give him a bit, he's working on it. And then finally it was three. I think it was three. What was it? On Tuesday I put the video saying we're not going. So it was the Friday before then when I had made a video saying what Candace is doing is. I had said on irl, it's okay, but this part of the story, I said, what she is doing has been doing is demoralizing because right now the focus is.

[Milo]

I don't completely disagree with that.

[Tim Pool]

The focus that I'm looking at for news is there's this coalition. I don't consider myself to be anyone's leader or anything. I'm a guy who complains on the Internet. But how are we going to win these midterms and the Virginia defeat, all of these stuff. People are getting black pilled, people are turning out of politics. And then she starts doing this mystery style, you know, true crime ish show. I Called it demoralizing that she's making insinuations of Turning Points.

[Milo]

Point.

[Tim Pool]

Because Turning Point united these coalitions. I get. I get a message from Colvett and.

I. I guess I'll just. We'll go full bore and I'll just spill all. All of the beans.

[Milo]

I probably shouldn't say the zip tie thing, so let's do it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. He basically said. He. He hits me up saying, it's a rock and a hard place. I'm paraphrasing. If they could.

[Milo]

To book one of their longest terms.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's not what he's talking about. I got a text about if Turning Point decides to actually engage Candace, because they did, it blows up in their face. And so I called him and I. I talked to him and said, listen, right? I'm not doing this for anybody. My opinions are my opinions.

I was like, I don't know what you guys have going on or what you should or shouldn't do, blah, blah, blah. And the general. The general idea was in the conversation is like. Like when Candace came out and said, here are text messages from Charlie. And he came out the next day immediately and said, yes, those were. We gave them to law enforcement. It blew up in their face. Yes, the story got 100 times worse. And so they immediately recalled and said, okay, there's nothing we can say to convince anybody of anything, so let's just not say anything. That was the general concept at the end of that conversation. I said, look, I got to get back to recording it is what it is. And he goes, listen, you know, because of the hurtful things you said, we weren't planning on having you here this year, but if you still wanted to come, would you be open to doing it? I said, of course. He's like, okay, let me. It's a heavy lift. Let me see if I can make it happen.

[Milo]

Big undertaking for you.

[Tim Pool]

So. So let me tell you where we go from here. So I get off the phone with him and I said, so he explicitly just told me that the past months of hold on, we're working on it was literally. Actually, we already filled your slot and we weren't going to invite you and we didn't tell you.

[Milo]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

So I was.

[Milo]

That's how they work.

[Tim Pool]

I was a bit pissed.

[Milo]

They do that. So suspend criticism.

[Tim Pool]

So what happens is, like, Fox hires.

[Milo]

People come Monday who might otherwise be a threat to marquee talent.

[Tim Pool]

So look, so come Monday.

I have also, at the same time, got a request from the World Poker Tour, and they asked If I would like to be involved in one of their promotional influencer streams with a bunch of high profile personalities. I said, we are gonna be at amfest on the 18th and 19th, so that means I can only be there. And said, it's on the 17th. I said, okay, that works. We'll drive from there. But we have to do Timcast IRL from this place. Do you have a studio? They said, yes, we do. When do you need it? I said, well, we're not confirmed for Amfest yet. Colvett says he's working on it. Let me see if I can get a confirmation from them so I can tell you when we need the studio. Colvitt responds to Lisa saying, we are full. That's the issue. We are working on it, though. And he said, that's the answer you get at any point at this time. So here's what I said. So immediately when I get this message midday, I get pissed because I'm saying you're full. Okay, It's Monday. I gotta give these guys in Vegas an answer. If they didn't want to have me there, that's fine.

[Milo]

I don't need to lead people on like this. It's a. It's indeed enormously shitty behavior.

[Tim Pool]

And we Then. And. And now we're booking late. So at this point, I'm like, I can't even get hotels for my staff. The prices are going to be really high. It's a. So at this point, I said, lisa, like, what's going on? She's like, here's. Here's what? He said. They're working on it. And I said, no, we're out.

[Milo]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So I'm a nice guy. So I hit up Jack Posobic. I had a Benny Johnson, I had up a couple other people. And I said, guys, I'm not coming. Okay? I don't want to be a dick to any of you, whatever. You don't need me there. And the general response was, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. We're gonna figure something out. No, no, no. At this point, if this is the managerial decisions that Turning Point had made up to this point, I have no problem not being invited. It's not my party. But understand, for months we've been asking, I've been texting you.

[Milo]

Let them.

[Tim Pool]

So I immediately reached out to WPT and said, guys, we are on for the full week and we've booked some very high profile guests that are gonna be on the show and we won't be going to Amfest. And then I made a Video. And after I do, my phone blows up from Turning Point. People being like, no, no, why would you do that? And here's what I'll say.

[Milo]

This is what they do.

[Tim Pool]

The only reason they led me on was because they didn't want me to make a video saying we weren't going to be going there.

[Milo]

What I just said. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So they waited until it was the very last minute.

[Milo]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Then when they come back and say, you know what, Tim, we've changed our mind, you can come. It's putting me in a position where it's too difficult to do and I have prior commitments and why should you. So why should you do that if.

[Milo]

You spent a dollar based on their deliberate, admitted lies?

[Tim Pool]

So there's a few things people that.

[Milo]

I have to never lie about. There's a few things to Charlie, for instance.

[Tim Pool]

There's a few things I have to consider and that's. I am not going to be honest people.

[Milo]

You should trust them over Candace for sure.

[Tim Pool]

I don't trust her either, but I'm not.

[Milo]

Clearly. Clearly, you should trust them.

[Tim Pool]

Ok. And the funny thing is, I was saying this before or at the same time I'm criticizing Candace. My point is that now what am I going to do? Am I going to take them up on their invite, spend extra money, show up? Of course not. Now I have friends. I think Jack Brasso is a really good guy. He's a good friend. He's a friend of the show.

[Milo]

It's worth saying about Jack also that he is on the periphery of Turning Point.

[Tim Pool]

Hi, I'm Chris Gethard and I'm very excited to tell you about Beautiful Anonymous, a podcast where I talk to random people on the phone. I tweet out a phone number. Thousands of people try to call you talk to one of them. They stay anonymous. I can't hang up. That's all the rules. I never know what's going to happen. We get serious ones. I've talked with meth dealers on their way to prison. I've talked to people who survived mass shootings, crazy funny ones. I talked to a guy with a goose laugh, somebody who dresses up as a pirate on the weekends. I never know what's going to happen. It's a great show. Subscribe today. Beautiful Anonymous.

[Milo]

They've never offered him an official position. He doesn't work for them. He's not paid by them. He's one of their. He's close. He's close with them. But he's still classified because. Because I do know Jack as well. A Little bit. And. And he's still classified merely as an influencer of theirs. Merely as a. As an ambassador or something. Right.

[Tim Pool]

They have. They have since come out and he doesn't. They don't continually.

[Milo]

They don't pay.

[Tim Pool]

Offered to bring us out, make something work. And I've said no.

[Milo]

Absolutely right.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not interested.

[Milo]

Absolutely right.

[Tim Pool]

I.

[Milo]

You have some dignity. Like.

[George Santos]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'll tell you my emotional state right now.

I think that I've had a lot of conversation with high profile business people in the podcasting space, big CEOs, and you know what they all say? They say, tim, if you say what we want you to say, you'll be the biggest show in the country.

[Milo]

I've had those conversations.

[Tim Pool]

You have the work ethic.

[Milo]

Long time ago, but yes.

[Tim Pool]

Your ability to talk off script and just nail these points. Yep. Let us guide you with guardrails.

[Milo]

I know. I know that what you're saying is absolutely, factually true, because 10 years ago, I had the same conversations with some of the same people.

[Tim Pool]

And my response is, I'm not interested in that.

[Milo]

Good for you, man.

[Tim Pool]

And so it's no surprise my faith.

[Milo]

In you was not misplaced.

[Tim Pool]

It's no surprise that we get.

[George Santos]

Didn't phone it in.

[Milo]

What are you saying?

[George Santos]

You love saying that people phoned it in. He's. He didn't phone it in.

[Milo]

I forgot. Sorry. I forgot you were here. What are you saying?

[Naomi]

You.

[Tim Pool]

So. So let me. Let me. Let's. Let's. This is. I'm actually. I'm actually.

[Milo]

I'm really happy to hear that, bro.

[Tim Pool]

I don't care about the cameras right now. I'm actually really enjoying this conversation with you.

[Milo]

Me too.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, this is. This. This feels cathartic.

[Milo]

Me, too. Yeah, I could. I could tell this is a different tone from some of the frustration I've heard you express in the rest of the week. And me too, by the way, because nobody really knows what I think about anything.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, Let me. Let me. Let me burn every bridge I can. And Elmo in the fire. How about it?

[Milo]

Well, don't do it just because I'm here.

[Tim Pool]

But no, it's because this is my current emotional state. The first thing I'll say about what. These producers and these CEOs come to me and they say, tim, you say too much. Right. A year ago, I went on my show and said, I want to quit. I don't. I'm. I'm sick of this. Blah, blah, blah. And they said, are you an idiot? They said, you're sitting on a company that, that brings in over 10 million every year.

[Milo]

And we, if you only just did this, we could make it 100 and.

[Tim Pool]

Then let us take it over. Give us the button. So when you start, start farting on stream like a moron. We kill the show, bring you back. And so I said, you know, if I want to go on my show and have an emotional meltdown, that's who I am. And you know what? Maybe my show would be bigger if I went more mainline and didn't call people out. Burn bridges.

[Milo]

I know that's true. I know that your show would be bigger because I've spoken to some of the people that spoke to you.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Milo]

Now, with my job in entertainment, I have a bit more clout than I used to, and I know who some of them are, and I'm not going to name their names. So it's up to you to do what you want to do. But I have spoken to people who spoke to you, and, and, and I'll be honest with you, I heard the same thing from them, and I thought, that's my guy.

[Tim Pool]

Right? So, so I, I, I'll tell you exactly what they would have told me. Tim, don't say anything about Candace. They would have said, I don't, I don't care how you feel. What is the upside for your business? And my response is, I didn't start doing this to make a business. I kind of just complain about things.

[Milo]

You'Re not, but you're not, you're not malleable, so you're not of value to them after you tell them that.

[Tim Pool]

That indeed. Absolutely right. So there are personalities out there that, you know, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to throw some. How we do that?

[Milo]

Brandon Tatum, don't do it, please, please. Feed it directly into my brain.

[Tim Pool]

He canceled on us. He, he, he wants canceled on us because we're actually at Turning Point, and.

[Milo]

I bumped names I can't even say on this show. I bumped him, and I love all of them. So I know his truck's not paid off, okay? So all that money from Israel, and he still hasn't paid his truck off.

[Tim Pool]

So let me tell you the story, and these are the things they say, don't say because there's no reason to say it. You're gonna burn bridges and people are fans. So I bumped into him backstage at Turning Point, and he said something like, hey, man, I'll see you tomorrow. And I was like, oh, you're coming on the show. And he was like, yeah. And I was like, awesome, dude. It'll be great to have you. So he canceled right away. And apparently I was told that he was offended that I didn't know he was booked. And I said, I have a booker who does this. I don't know who's booked.

[Milo]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

That.

[Milo]

That is a black thing.

[Tim Pool]

But okay, well, the reason I bring this up is not. I'm now just kind of throwing shade, because I am. And I don't really have that much to say about him other than like, that was a bad experience. But the overt pro Israel stuff that.

[Milo]

He posts, it's so crazy. It's so counterproductive.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. And there's a lot of people doing this.

[Milo]

It reminds me. Doesn't it remind you of the DeSantis supporters who lost the nomination?

[Tim Pool]

So, Milo, let me, Let me. Let me have. Let's have a therapy session and I'll tell you what I'm thinking. Thinking we've got a handful of right wing influencers who are caught getting paid to promote India, sugary drinks and gambling websites.

[George Santos]

Elijah.

[Milo]

India.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And there are people like Brandon Tatum who make the most. When people say 7K, I'm just like, bro, with all due respect, his posts are so over the top. Pro Israel and ineffective. Yeah, well, no, he should be like, less. They're terrible.

[Milo]

He. He. It's kind of. It's funny. He came out to support Candace. I didn't see that coming, actually.

But I thought it was interesting. An interesting alliance or temporary alliance. Because he's like inverse Candace, like, where she is a genius. Like media, like Mastermind. He had the dumbest. I'm not gonna say the word they.

I've never seen anybody, like, get.

[Tim Pool]

I don't want to get too specific on a person, on an individual.

[Milo]

Excuse me. Some of the behavior that I have.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no. I just, I'm not trying. I'm saying I want to have a broader idea conversation. And not just we can move on, we can complain about people. But basically what I'm seeing is tons of people that are clearly getting paid to promote Israel.

[Milo]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's. It's vomitus.

[Milo]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Tons of people who are getting busted doing these cringe campaigns. They're not disclosing vomitus. People who are chasing the dragon on the anti Israel stuff. Largely irrational. And Candace is a component of this. The vagaries of her show is demoralizing. And when I look at the field of conservatives and I say.

I am putting myself at risk with death Threats with having to hire security for everything I do. My wife can't go to the grocery store with having a security guard with her for these people. Now, for the regular people, I'd crawl over broken glass. But this space is dominated by wealthy individuals who don't pay their trucks off. Indeed. But who they. They have disdain for the regular person.

[Milo]

And they're pushing things that people don't believe in. George, you actually were a politician. I know that you don't agree with what Candace says. I know that you don't like a lot of her opinions. What's the real, like, what's the actual cephalogical electoral consequence of.

This universe we have with people who are maybe untouchable and ungovernable? You would say, like going wild.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Milo]

Over here. And then a highly tightly, sinisterly. That's not a word like controlled cabal. Moving like a shoal of fish over here. What's it going to do if it's not checked? Because my argument is we should have that. We should have that meltdown. Now, what happens if we do and what happens if we don't?

[George Santos]

So I disagree with you. Oh, I'm back in the conversation now.

[Milo]

Well, it's because I thought you left. No, I was so glad when he came out the bathroom because I was like, that's another friendship gone. At least I'll get to eat. I'll tweet all these tweets I've got.

[George Santos]

No, no, no. So to answer your question, look, you guys are having a great conversation. I want to first clear this out. I don't hate Candace. I disagree with what she's doing.

[Milo]

And.

[George Santos]

And it's important to distinguish that. I think she's, as Tim said, very highly intelligent. She's genius status. But on your question is very simple. I mean, we need the rogues of the world in politics. They are a strategy. There is a strategicness to having people outliers like Lauren Bober, Marjorie Taylor.

[Milo]

We're both in that category.

[George Santos]

Like myself, Matt Gaethy states when he was there, there is a benefit to them because they disrupt the school of fish that you. The analogy you use. Right. So I look at it in a two pronged situation. I think Candace hurts everyone. Candace puts everyone. Hear me out. People, people like candidate, people like Candace, who are doing what Candace is doing on an election year that is absolutely vital to, you know, the control of government.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on.

[Milo]

We heard that every year.

[George Santos]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying this is the most important campaign election because it's Bullshit.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[George Santos]

I'm not going to hear.

[Milo]

I say it because to respect to.

[George Santos]

You, we hear that every few years.

[Milo]

Doesn't matter that much.

[George Santos]

My point is what she's doing is fracturing the base in a time where it's very sensitive because.

Is she fracturing it or fractures taking it?

[Tim Pool]

No, she fractured.

[George Santos]

She's fracturing the base because we're having an example here. I consider myself to be part of the base. I know you do too. You're on her side. I'm not this and Tim too. And like you're in a room. I don't know where everybody stands.

[Milo]

But Congressman, you can't call yourself part of the votes.

[Tim Pool]

She's absolutely fracturing the base. She is. This is definitely not helping my issue with it. Yeah. When I'm bumping into people like you, the conversation is no longer around the issues that Americans care about. Regular people are no longer talking about how we are going to win and make this country better. But they're talking about the dumbest shit in the world. Like I get some guy being like it is what about the Bush in front of Charlie and not dumb.

[Milo]

And the reason it's not dumb is that this is now occupying the place that Trump made with the Epstein bull bs. Right. Trump made this void with Epstein. This void. The need for a grand unifying theory that explains all the mysteries of the political universe, that explains the sinister nature of our. Of our.

[Tim Pool]

Of our.

[Milo]

Of our lived reality. They say a theory that explains that Trump trashed it instead.

[George Santos]

Disagree.

[Milo]

Instead.

[Tim Pool]

No, I agree with that.

[George Santos]

You agree with that? I disagree.

[Tim Pool]

But the Epstein thing was a massive blunder.

[Milo]

By shoving Epstein out the way, he created a space for the kind of voters who need something like that in their life.

[George Santos]

So you're saying there's a segment Americans that want women.

[Milo]

Women.

[George Santos]

He.

[Milo]

By getting rid of Trump. People don't understand this.

[George Santos]

That's the only woman in the room. If she agrees with that.

[Tim Pool]

Come on.

[Naomi]

You're absolutely making the correct point in what is happening.

[Tim Pool]

I can't.

[Naomi]

But not in what is morally correct. In the end. I think.

[Milo]

But do you understand.

[Naomi]

Get back to the Epstein point. To get back to the Epstein point. One major reason a few years ago, 2019, 2020, why the Epstein files and this whole controversy around pedophilia and Epstein was happening was because of Kiana. I would not say that QAnon was a net positive for the movement, even though a lot of people, they were motivated.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Milo]

But if they're not on QAnon, they're on something worse. And QAnon worse.

[Tim Pool]

Well, what is worse?

[Milo]

Yeah, I don't think you had any negative consequences. So, look, but nobody, nobody died. Nobody died.

[Tim Pool]

But Turning Point USA helped get Trump elected and is doing massive voter drive initiatives and she is trying to burn it down.

[Milo]

I'm glad, I'm glad that she is because although that organization did a lot of good, it also did a lot of damage.

[Tim Pool]

While.

[George Santos]

Are you just trying to square out your petty grievance? And by the way, I'm sorry, I take that back.

[Milo]

Hold on.

[George Santos]

They're not petty because they did fundamentally affect you as a person. But are you allowing.

[Milo]

They didn't just affect me.

[George Santos]

Let me, let me ask this. Are you allowing your own personal experience based on what you just. But that's not fair. That's selfish.

[Milo]

Because it's not just about me. It's about the hundreds of influences that they threw off. Okay, A boat.

[George Santos]

At what they did. At what cost?

[Tim Pool]

At what expense?

[George Santos]

At what cost?

[Milo]

I'm telling you, right.

[George Santos]

To get President Trump alive.

[Milo]

I'm about to tell you, for short term, electoral gain, the IQ level.

[Tim Pool]

Short term.

[Milo]

The IQ level of the debate on the, on the right wing side in this country has dropped 20 points in 15 years.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, wow. And I agree with you currently, yes.

[Milo]

Thanks to Candace. So dumb when it became. And it is not thanks to Candace, it precedes Candace by a decade.

[Tim Pool]

I agree with that.

[Milo]

But Charlie did it. Charlie did it. Charlie did it. It. He got me out. And whatever you think about me, I talk at a certain level because I'm really smart. And, and he got everybody like me out, too. Everybody.

[George Santos]

And who else did he get out?

[Milo]

Everybody. Literally everyone you like on the Internet was banned by Turning Point at some point.

[George Santos]

Okay, no, hold on. Time out. You're saying you're, you're, you're, I do believe you are very intelligent. Don't, don't get. I'm not knocking you because I do find you to be one of the most intelligent people out there. But at the same time you're saying. So I take that as a slide. And I'm going to stand here because I find Jack to be brilliant. Brilliant. And I find him brilliant. I find him to be brilliant.

[Milo]

Jack has taken a very, Jack is very tight.

[George Santos]

And then actually Sinclair's another one. You mentioned her earlier. I find her to be brilliant with her ups and downs or whatever you want to bring out there. She's also brilliant, too.

[Tim Pool]

She was never really in the political.

[George Santos]

She was. I've known Ashley for years.

[Milo]

The two Smart people.

[Tim Pool]

She produced my political act.

[Milo]

The two smart people who are turning point adjacent and not turning point people. Him and Persobic both have something in common.

[George Santos]

Common what?

[Milo]

They have proceeded in their careers extremely delicately so as to build a tent.

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[Milo]

Drew Ski, lift with your legs, man.

[Tim Pool]

Santa.

[Milo]

Santa, did you get my letter?

[Elf Drew Ski]

He's talking to you British.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not.

[Mrs. Claus's Younger Sister]

Of course he did.

[Tim Pool]

Right, Santa, you know my elf, Drew Ski here.

[Elf Drew Ski]

He handles the nice list and elf. I'm six three.

[George Santos]

What else?

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[Milo]

Or give it as a gift.

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[Milo]

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[Milo]

Visit t mobile.com rather than to pick a side over and over and over again. Jack does it. Jack does it behind closed doors and is a very effective operator, networker and a journalist as a result of it.

[George Santos]

What about Alex and he.

[Milo]

I just wish Alex would tell the truth about his sexuality. But you. No, there's. There's something about.

[George Santos]

Gotta stop saying that like not like everybody is not gay just because you conservative media. Yes, they are.

[Milo]

Yes, they are.

[Tim Pool]

Strangely, a lot of them are though.

[Milo]

No, no, no.

[George Santos]

They don't know. But. But the ones who are. Are out.

[Milo]

Look who's talking.

[George Santos]

I'm gay. I never said I'm not gay.

[Milo]

He's talking. Listen.

One of the. The most distinctive characteristics.

[George Santos]

I have a gift for you here. I'm not this back. You need this. You need this.

[Milo]

And I'm giving you this.

[George Santos]

You need this back here.

[Milo]

No, I'm not.

[George Santos]

Look, Milo needs this back because it's his reality. He just.

[Tim Pool]

Milo, Milo, Milo.

[George Santos]

I love you.

[Tim Pool]

I want to get back to you.

[Milo]

I love you, but we're going to fall out for you.

[George Santos]

I'm still a queen. I don't care how much.

[Tim Pool]

Milo, you're straight.

[Milo]

There is one of the most distinctive things about the right wing in this country is its homosexual overtones. Benny Johnson posts pictures of his children every two days. It's not. It's weird. And everybody knows what went on with Benny Johnson in those lobbies and in those hotel rooms at Sass. Everybody knows.

[Tim Pool]

I don't.

[George Santos]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[Milo]

Men. Younger men. Not underage. At least I don't know that his wife. His wife was crying drunk in the lobby. Three sasses in a row about how her husband was upstairs with boys.

[George Santos]

Come on.

[Milo]

But. Go ask her.

[George Santos]

Her.

[Milo]

Come on, go ask her.

[George Santos]

Come on, Milo.

[Milo]

Go ask her.

[George Santos]

Aren't you ever scared of getting sued? You say so. I'm sitting here like I am humbled by the lore and your ability, audacity, just, I mean, like, there's no teapots in this room right now to express how I feel.

[Milo]

George, I have said these things about people for 20 years and never once in my career been sued. I've issued three corrections in my entire journalistic correct career because I get my facts right and people know that they do not want to go through discovery.

[Tim Pool]

Actually, I want to say this.

[Milo]

I've never been sued for anything I've ever said about anyone.

[Tim Pool]

The one thing I could.

[Milo]

I need to say this because I'm right.

[Tim Pool]

The, the most terrifying thing about Milo is that he knows all your secrets.

[George Santos]

I know he knows everybody. Trust me. I am terrified of Milo. I will never cross Milo. Milo is the one person that people.

[Tim Pool]

Say, like, why are you friends with him?

[George Santos]

Knows too much.

He knows too much.

[Milo]

Nobody wants to be his enemy.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[George Santos]

Do not cross this dude. It's not worth it.

[Milo]

I was gonna say I like Benny told you. What, did he get the dick out his mouth long enough?

[George Santos]

Oh, my God. Milo, you can't say these.

[Milo]

Yes, I can, because it's real and it's true.

[George Santos]

Milo, stop.

[Tim Pool]

You can't say it because you want.

[Milo]

To maintain your friendships.

[George Santos]

I can say it because I can't.

I don't. I, I, I'm trying to help him.

[Milo]

Not help.

[Tim Pool]

I think you'll be fine.

[Milo]

You can't even help you. You just came out of jail. I don't, I don't need tips from you about life.

[Tim Pool]

Let's turn the volume from 11 to at least 10. Yes, but I Want to say this?

[Milo]

I will just say when.

[Tim Pool]

When. When we were talking about how there's people that come to me and they say, tim, we'll be the guardrails for you, and you'll be the biggest fags. They're. They're. What they're really saying is, Tim, when you catch someone at a convention doing.

[Milo]

Blow, don't say the drugs. Don't say the gay sex. Don't say the bad stuff, because we've made an investment in that. That's an asset of ours.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed.

[Milo]

And we want to protect it. Any jump.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm not saying anything about that. I'm just back on queen.

[Milo]

It's a king crown. Actually, a queen crown has a completely different shape. If you look at a queen crown, it more. It has more of a. Of a gentle slope that goes over and overlapped. This is a king crown, and I'll take it. And I will say the word on an airplane, but not hear it.

[Tim Pool]

I think. I think if. If everybody just literally said the truth.

[Milo]

And the fact they don't is the reason we have Candace Owens. And what I hear from you, you, is a per. Is. I hear. I hear a nascent Club Candice subscriber. You're not there yet. You're not there. You're not there yet. But your grievances are. Her grievances. Your grievances. Yes, these are my grievances.

[George Santos]

Oh, you know what?

[Milo]

And I believe. I believe the problem for you. With. You, With. Excuse me. The problem for you is that you believe she's going about it the wrong way and with the wrong tactics and whatever and so on and so forth. And. And you also believe that she's deliberately speaking on truth, which I don't agree with, but. Because I think her faith is real. I think her faith is. But, Milo, I gotta tell you, if, you know, if you.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[George Santos]

There goes the crown. Well, Tim, I'll say this in a vein.

[Milo]

Listen, I believe that her faith is real. And I believe that she takes seriously the consequences of knowingly lying. I believe that. I mean, does she have the.

The. The fake New York Times meticulously dishonest habit of. Of. Of. Of, you know, elaborate corrections that don't actually explain why the story was a lie in the first place. No, she doesn't do all that nonsense. Nonsense. And sometimes it would be nice if she said, I'm not sure if that panned out or not.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe.

[Milo]

Maybe it would. But she knows what she's doing, and I don't. I'm gonna let her Cook, because I'm gonna let her cook. Because it sounds to me like you have all the same grievances as us. You have all the same priorities as us. You have all of the same, I don't say enemies, but like a lot of the same kind of like antagonists in your head as us. You agree on who the bad guys are. Turning Point has treated you as bad as it's turned to treat everybody else. But there's something about Candace you just, just can't stomach. And I don't believe it's her. Well, I don't know what it is.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, Let me. You know my, you know my origin story, Milo.

[Milo]

I don't know what it is.

[Tim Pool]

When I worked for these nonprofits. I got a job doing fundraising when I was in my early 20s working for Greenpeace, the perk groups, ACLU, etc, and I ended up moving to California and I worked for a group called Environments California. It is. You know, you're on the street, you're waving, you're saying, hey, come talk to me about the environment. We're going to sign. Yep. And what had happened was I was a nation's best fundraiser for Greenpeace. The per groups, a bunch of these nonprofits.

[Milo]

Believe it.

[Tim Pool]

And so my job was, I'm going to go out and I'm going to say words to you that convince you to give me your credit card in exchange for nothing. And so, so you believe that you.

[Milo]

See the same strategies, the same tactics.

[Tim Pool]

The same identical 100%. It's a lie. It's the. It's. So here's why I quit. Because one day I was on a street corner when the Deepwater Horizon accident happened.

[Milo]

Happened.

[Tim Pool]

They printed out these papers and said, this is your pitch. Use this to sign people up. And so I. Let me finish. Sorry, sorry. So I said, awesome, let's go do it. And here I am thinking I am actually convincing people to do right. And I went on the street, 23 year old me, and I signed some people up and I was at nation's best. You know, my buddy Mark, who works here also, he was better than me. And so I'm in California and one.

[Milo]

Guy goes, what was the nation's best bet? Fast.

[Tim Pool]

I was number five, he was number three. Okay, yeah, pretty crazy. And so there's a lot of, there's.

[Milo]

A lot of those guys out on the street.

[Tim Pool]

You know, to be fair, it, it fluctuates. Like one week, you're just teasing.

[Milo]

I was just teasing.

[Tim Pool]

But so this guy comes up to me And I said, hey, come over here, let's talk about the environment, blah, blah, blah. I gave him the pitch and he goes, you're full of shit. And then I was like, I'm sorry. And he goes, that's not how much oil is being spilled. Substantially less than that. And then I was like, this is, this is the reporting that they give us.

[Milo]

Did you believe that you were being told things that were directionally correct for a greater moral power purpose?

[Tim Pool]

So here's what happened. He said, you're trying to lie to me. That's fraud. Screw off. And I said, okay, sorry. I immediately took my old candy bar Nokia because I'm 23. And I called the office and said, good phones. I said, hey, we got a problem. Some guy just told me that this, our pitch is wrong and that this is not correct.

[Milo]

Were they heartbroken and devastated and quick to rush out corrections?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, quite the inverse, which is what you can expect. They said, don't worry, Tim, just keep using it, it's fine. And I said, are you telling me to lie to people to convince them to give me money? And they said, no, of course not. Of course not. And so that was the end of me working in non profits. Well, so actually, to be fair, I do like you.

[Milo]

My question is, I believe all of that 100. Do you discount the possibility that those same tactics could be used for good? I do not believe deliberate line.

[Tim Pool]

But I mean, I do not believe the ends justify the means because we never meet the ends. If you decide yes, if you think I'm going to make a better world by deceiving the people, you're only creating a world of deceit. That's evil.

[Milo]

No, it's fair.

[Tim Pool]

And so when I look at these scumbags in the corporate press and the unit party and all they do is lie to people to trick them into doing, you know, it's tricking them into giving up their labor to them the.

[Milo]

Value they produce, the proper source of value in the economy. Yes. Every single one of them vastly more dishonest than anything George has ever done.

[Tim Pool]

And so someone comes to me and says, we're going to topple those evil people. How we're going to be them. I say, not interested. No, no.

[George Santos]

Well, let me ask you this and you probably valid point. Hold on. Seriously.

[Milo]

We found out later those evil people weren't doing it.

[Tim Pool]

But. But here they. They were. They're all doing it. And Candace is doing the same thing.

[George Santos]

But I think that's exactly so she's a symptom of the same problem that you experienced when you were 23. I don't know how many years ago that is. I don't know how old you are.

[Tim Pool]

39.

[Milo]

So. So there you go.

[George Santos]

So when we look at it 16 years ago, people were implying the same exact tactics.

[Milo]

I mean, well, I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

Let me tell you a little bit.

[Milo]

I'm not granting you that. What I'm asking is not the deliberate line because I don't believe she does that. But I think that intentional.

[George Santos]

It's not deliberate. It's intentional.

[Milo]

Okay, so you have a bit of a difference on that. I'm. I would be. I think she's more intentional to your position. I am persuadable to yours. Unless like I witness her line. I just, I find it very difficult to believe. I've.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me put it.

[Milo]

But your. When you describe like the.

[George Santos]

Wow, I actually just got him to concede he's persuadable to my. I'm, I'm actually.

[Milo]

Do you need a hug? You'll be okay. Do you need a hug?

[Tim Pool]

Let me, Let me down eventually. Let me, let me.

[Milo]

What I'm saying is it sounds like it's a more complex system of persuasion, deception, manipulation that you're describing. Not just tell people lies, give money. It sounds like you're seeing, you're getting spooked by an intricate pattern that you've seen that gets people to a particular place that requires dishonesty or lies or whatever on the way. And you see the same thing with Candace. Is that. Is that accurate?

[Tim Pool]

Say that again.

[Milo]

So it's more complicated than just we're going to lie to people to get their credit cards. It seems to me that you're saying there's a schema, there are psychological tricks. There's like a whole system that I saw there that I believe Candace is using too.

[Tim Pool]

Not that I believe she's using basic techniques like assumptive reasoning. It's in the book, it's 101.

[Milo]

Is it impossible to use those tactics for good? You say? Yes, because the use of them is self disqualifying because of the kind of world it creates. Yes, that is the Catholic position you are.

[Tim Pool]

If you are.

[Milo]

If you're right about that, and I'm not granting you that because I don't believe it. But if you are right about the dishonest elements of that, then you're right.

[Tim Pool]

So let me, let me, let me. Hold on, hold on. I want to explain something. Right?

[George Santos]

I think so.

[Tim Pool]

I'll give you, I'll give You. Some examples.

[Milo]

Not lies, but like lies by omission.

[George Santos]

I think.

[Milo]

I mean, I think sometimes lies by omission are permissible, which you can't do is knowingly say something that you know is not true or.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, hold on. The evil authorities come to take your stuff and you say it's not there. That's the point is this. That if you are lying by omission with the intent to make someone draw the false concl. False conclusion.

[Milo]

No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying for good reasons.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no.

[Milo]

Lying by omission for correct conclusion.

[Tim Pool]

Lying by omission for correct conclusion.

[Milo]

Yeah. So. Like, like, like. So. So if you. If. If you have failed in all of your attempts to persuade somebody that they should not cut their child's penis off.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Milo]

And it gets to the stage where you think you might be able to persuade them to. To. To. To. To. If you give them a correct but incomplete picture of the facts. Is that wrong?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Milo]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And. And so that's.

[Milo]

That's. So that's. That's.

[Tim Pool]

We differ on that because there's other techniques in persuasion, and I don't think.

[Milo]

That'S what Candace is doing, but.

[Tim Pool]

And rapport being one of them is you meet your enemies as allies.

[Milo]

But I said if you. I said you've extinguished all other options.

I said that at the beginning.

[Tim Pool]

I think using. I think the problem is you're talking about. About. So I'll put it like this. It is wrong that people are giving their kids sex changes. And it is wrong in positions of authority to manipulate people to your whims.

[Milo]

Is it? Is it? Is it? Yeah, sure, sure.

[Tim Pool]

So here's.

[Milo]

Is it always wrong to achieve a goal by any means necessary? Maybe it is.

[Tim Pool]

No. No, I don't think so.

[Milo]

Okay, well, then. Now you. Now you seem to be saying the opposite because.

[Tim Pool]

No, I said the opposite goal, because that's a.

[Milo]

Her goal is to find out the truth about how, why, how and why Charlie Kirk was killed. And I don't believe we know that.

[Naomi]

Then she wouldn't go about it this way, because I feel like she's.

[Milo]

How do you know that? Because you can't know what's in her mind. You don't know that. And let me tell you, you're speaking.

[George Santos]

As if you do.

[Naomi]

I will, happily.

[Milo]

No, I'm not.

[George Santos]

Yes, you are. You've said that many times.

[Tim Pool]

Milo, you know more about Charlie than she does.

[Milo]

Oh, that's ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

You ridiculous. More than you.

[Milo]

That's right. Do you Understand? Don't you remember how close they were? They used to. They used to go everywhere together for years. I haven't. I met Charlie three times.

[Tim Pool]

I'm talking about right now with the murder. I'm saying in this.

[Milo]

I met Charlie three times.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not talking. Hold on, hold on. I'm not talking about.

[Milo]

He drifted from life, under pressure from.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

[Milo]

He died. He was.

[Tim Pool]

I am not talking about his life. I'm saying in the context of his murder, you know more than Candace does.

[Milo]

Ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

You think she knows more than you? Of course he thought UTC meant Utah time.

[Milo]

All right, that is funny. It's funny, but it's.

[George Santos]

It's.

[Milo]

It is funny. I'm not going to lie. It is funny. And it does appear to be the case that maybe she had, like, a brain. Have you never had a brain fraud in your life? I mean, come on.

[Tim Pool]

No, I think she just didn't know what UTC was.

[Naomi]

She also made the claim.

[Milo]

I don't know what Mountain time is. I don't know is You. I don't know even. I'm not even exactly sure that I know what UTC is. I'm a very small. I don't know. I would want to check. Is utc.

[Tim Pool]

UTC is universal. Universal.

[Milo]

I didn't know that.

[Tim Pool]

Now.

[Milo]

I wouldn't have said. It's Utah time.

[Tim Pool]

Greenwich Meantime, same thing. Well, I know, but the WOKE people changed it.

[Milo]

Oh, I forgot. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

They stole it from the British. Let me. Let me. I want to. I want to.

[Milo]

I know what Greenwich Meantime is. Fine. But I, I, I. I didn't know that name. I didn't know. Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim. I, me did not know.

[George Santos]

You didn't know what UTC was.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, that's fine. So let me. Let me.

[Milo]

Okay, don't.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Milo]

Don't think I. Saying Utah.

[Tim Pool]

Here's what I want to say, but.

[Milo]

It'S an understandable mistake.

[Tim Pool]

Here's. Here's what I want to say. Right. One of the components. One of the functions of our business is our memberships of our Discord Server. Without it, we can't exist. And that's usually how I pitch it. Because it's true.

[Milo]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

One of the things they teach you when you work for these nonprofits is that urgency is key. After I left this environmental group jaded, I went to work for a smaller homeless shelter. Mm. And I was told, as a fundraiser, that their homeless shelters are at capacity, and if they can't get more money, they will have to turn people away. You wonder the truth was, yeah, they're empty, completely empty. Cause homeless people don't want to be in shelters.

[Milo]

No, they don't. They don't. They don't. They're there cause they're crazy. They want to be on the streets.

[Tim Pool]

It's not even, it's a variety of issues. Drug addict crazy.

[Milo]

But if they wanted to live indoors, in comfort with food, many of, many of them could have a different situation.

[Tim Pool]

Than the one they have. This was the final straw for me in the nonprofit sector when I realized even the small ones are lying.

[Milo]

So you went from a big bad guy to a little guy thinking that maybe that plucky honesty. And it turned out they were telling.

[Tim Pool]

Almost all of it. And so here's, here's, here's, here's example. We have security threats. What if I said, I did this whole bit on the show the other day. I said, what if I said, milo, we're going to be off the air this weekend. We're going to, I'm going to be off the air this weekend. I've got a credible assassination threat against me from someone that may be involved with the government.

[Milo]

If they tell you they're coming, they don't come in.

[Tim Pool]

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[Milo]

You know, you know if they tell you they're coming, they're not coming. You've said as many comments.

[Tim Pool]

FBI confirmed that this is a credible threat against my life.

[Milo]

They're drama queens, Milo.

[Tim Pool]

My wife is terrified.

[Milo]

That's a different issue.

[Tim Pool]

Only thing that I can do.

[Milo]

That's a different issue.

[Tim Pool]

The only thing that I can do, do that to make it through. It's a different issue is if people sign [e-mail] and become members to say we will not let you down, Tim. We stand with you.

[Milo]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And guys, if you don't do this, we might have to go into hiding. If you believe in the work that I do and you care about my family, then you need to go to timcast.com and click join us.

[Milo]

I mean every, every I don't do that.

[Tim Pool]

You.

[Milo]

You don't? No, you do not.

[George Santos]

Neither do you or anyone else.

[Milo]

Neither.

[Tim Pool]

You do.

[Milo]

Sorry, Sorry. You don't do that, and neither do I. But every political podcast in the country does.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed they do.

[Milo]

And I'm not saying that it's a. A. I call everybody out.

[Tim Pool]

This is the ridiculous thing.

[Milo]

I mean, I'm. I'm British, so.

[Tim Pool]

We don't even like. Uger Sam Cedar.

[Milo]

We don't even like doing ad reads because we think it's like there should be a Chinese wall between ads. Grubby. I can't believe you read your own ads and the editorial content. Right. So when I do ads, you will always see me. You can see me for 10 years getting a little bit. Or trying to make the ads more fun. Fun or.

[Tim Pool]

Or.

[Milo]

Or making a joke out of it, which I actually. I just did it on the show. Right. You know, because for me, it's like, it's completely against my nature to do it because we're taught, like, Chinese wall between commercial and editorial.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Milo]

So when I do it in America, I'm kind of like, not sure what to do with my hands, you know, so. So that. That for me, has always been horrifying about every political show in America. Does Candace Owens do something like that? Sure. Does that. Something like that. That put her in the minority or the majority makes her. I mean, it's standard operating procedure. I don't like it, but it's standard operating.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. And so this is the important thing. When people are like Tim White rag on Candace. I had messages from people being like, you sure are attacking a lot.

[Milo]

Although I will say this.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, the point is, when I rag on the left all day, every day, nonstop, nobody says, oh, Tim, why are you criticizing these people?

[Milo]

No, I get it. I will just say you made a very specific chain kind of allegation about what she has said in relation to her subscribers that I don't personally know to be true.

[George Santos]

Like what they.

[Tim Pool]

What. That's what everybody does. No, Megan Kelly did the same thing, and it's just like.

[Milo]

No, but I didn't see that. And I watch her show, and I didn't see.

[Tim Pool]

I don't see which one.

[Milo]

Well, you said that she said, if you don't give me money.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I never said she said that.

[Milo]

Oh, you said. What are you saying? That's the implication behind the.

[Tim Pool]

What I'm saying is the. The delivery I gave you.

[Milo]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Would be substantially more effective in raising money, and it's dishonest.

[Milo]

Yeah. But most of them say, if you don't give me money, bad things will happen to me. She doesn't do that.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not saying she says that.

[Milo]

Okay, okay.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying, fine, fine, fine. The example I'm giving is a sense of urgency and why people need to support me. So when the delivery methods she uses.

[Milo]

I mean, come on. I mean, you start, you start getting rid of that. It's like, can we even advertise?

[Tim Pool]

I want to.

[Milo]

I mean, urgent urgency. You want to get rid of urgency? Advertising.

[Tim Pool]

I'm talking about.

[Milo]

Come on.

[Tim Pool]

I'm talking about the basics of lying through assumptions, assumption assumptive manipulation, where you're saying you.

[Milo]

You leave people with the impression that if they don't sign up, that something.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking about her specifically.

[Milo]

No, no. I'm just trying to understand what you're trying to say.

[Tim Pool]

So I'll give you an example. If I said to you, milo, if you come on my show, I'm going to take you to the finest steakhouse for the most delicious ribeye you've ever had.

[Milo]

Well, that's never happened.

[Tim Pool]

And all of the acoustical.

[Milo]

All. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And then if you do, would you come on my show? And then. Hold on, hold on. So I make you this promise, right? Right. Then you say.

Okay, I'll come when you show up. I say, here's what I'm gonna do for you, Milo. I'm gonna get you dinner. Remember I talked about dinner? I'm gonna get you dinner. And then after the show, I got you a hot dog. And you say, hold on. You said a great. No, no, no, no, no. I never said that. You assumed that I told you I could get it for you, and when you came, I. I didn't say I was taking to the steakhouse. You assume that's your fault.

[Milo]

I see what you mean. And let me just clarify that you've been enormously generous and accommodating of some last minute snafus with me. So I don't want to imply you haven't been good to me.

[Tim Pool]

Not steak.

[Milo]

I was not steak. But plenty of other stuff. So I don't apply otherwise. I don't leave people the impression otherwise. I try to be like boringly scrupulously honest with you because you're like one of one of four friends I have left in media, but I. So I don't leave anyone with that impression.

I understand that that would feel like a letdown and probably dishonest.

[George Santos]

The point I'm making is what is it?

[Tim Pool]

I have a viral post.

[Milo]

Plug it into Candace.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, it says Candace Owens. Let me just pull it up for you. I'll pull it on the show.

[Milo]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

Because I tweeted about this when I bump into Youngman and they say Candace Owens is in hiding because there's an assassination plot against her. And I'm like, that's just. That's not true. Okay. Developing story. Candace Owens polls her show after claiming the White House acknowledged her assassination.

[George Santos]

Warning.

[Tim Pool]

She didn't poll her show. She was off for Thanksgiving.

[Milo]

Thanksgiving is a lot longer than a week. Excuse me. A lot shorter than a week. And most people don't take a whole week off for Thanksgiving. It may have.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, come on.

[Milo]

It.

All right.

[George Santos]

Come on, Milo.

[Milo]

All right, Milo.

[George Santos]

Thanksgiving. Maybe Thursday, Friday, we can see that. Explain the whole week.

[Milo]

I'm. Am I allowed to think on the spot about something and give an honest answer, a considered answer? I know I'm normally quick, but let.

[George Santos]

Me just say it's. No, no, it's okay to just say. Okay.

[Milo]

So she.

[Tim Pool]

She. She.

[George Santos]

She embellished it and she was full of shit.

[Milo]

Okay, what if what she said about the White House was true?

[Tim Pool]

That they confirmed receipt. So. So what? They. She got a read on her.

[George Santos]

On her.

[Tim Pool]

On her Apple message. No, she said message.

[Milo]

That would be enough.

[George Santos]

What?

[Tim Pool]

So why say they've confirmed receipt of the plot against me instead of being like, I've. I've. I've reached out to. To them.

[Milo]

Because.

[Tim Pool]

Because one is manipulative language.

[Milo]

She got calls from the president saying, stop doing this in the crime. And she probably can't call him up like that anymore like she used to, so she's going through third parties.

[Tim Pool]

I bet she didn't get a call from the president.

You know what I think happened? I think she got a spoof call.

[Milo]

No, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

I think she got a spoof call.

[Milo]

No, I think she. I think. I think. Look, because of the people who called her prior to that, who have confirmed they did. I don't believe you. I mean, so. Excuse me. I don't agree with you. Because. Because people have confirmed that there were three courts calls in escalating seniority, and the first two people have confirmed that those calls existed. And.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I'll take it. That's fine.

[Milo]

So I can't buy that. I can't buy that. So I just, like, you know.

[George Santos]

You confirm what two senior White House officials.

[Milo]

No, that's not what I said.

[George Santos]

Okay, so please clarify that, because that's what I understand.

[Milo]

So there's an escalating seniority. One person was not White House staff.

[George Santos]

Okay?

[Milo]

Then White House staff, then the president. That person and that person were saying that one non.

[George Santos]

One non White House person escalated White House.

[Milo]

We know that those calls. We know those calls are.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, fine.

[George Santos]

So that's a little different. Hold on, hold on.

[Tim Pool]

I can see that. This right here. See this story? It's got 192,000 likes, and this is what she's intentionally doing.

[Milo]

If.

[Tim Pool]

If.

[Milo]

Isn't she entitled to lie to people? No, no, no. If she believes there's a threat against her life, she's informed the White House. If she's. She's surrounded by sinister liars and she sincerely believes, whether or not, you know, you think that that's correct, is she not entitled to say, these are my fear?

[Tim Pool]

Well, if it's a paranoid delusion. What she said, Milo, she said, we are off the air. I'm happy to accept you as an update. The White House has confirmed receipt of the assassination plot against me. And this resulted in, as predicted for anyone who knows Social Engineering 101 viral stories like this, and then me bumping into three young men who say Candace Owens is in hiding because Israel's trying to kill her.

[Milo]

Yeah, but. But, but, Milo, let me just put it.

[George Santos]

But, people, people, you've been under death threat before. I was in Congress.

[Milo]

Never take him on seriously, and nothing's ever happened.

[George Santos]

There's actually a man.

[Milo]

And I do understand if your wife is different. Just under stalkers, which are different. Sure, I understand, but just listen to this specific intentional.

[George Santos]

I have a man in Florida in prison for threatening and plotting to kill me and my husband. He's actually currently serving time. Right. If I was in Congress for 11 months and then.

[Milo]

Did he threaten you before he came, or was he just plunging?

[Tim Pool]

You just.

[George Santos]

Just. Please.

[Milo]

There we go.

[Tim Pool]

Stop.

[Milo]

There we go. So there we go. If they tell you they're coming, they're not coming. My point.

[George Santos]

No, no. He was planning and had an active plan.

[Milo]

But he didn't tell you he was.

[George Santos]

Coming because, yes, he. He notified us. He notified us and left a voicemail with detail of how he would kill me and my husband.

[Tim Pool]

So here.

[George Santos]

Here. Here me out on this so you understand. I was in Congress for 11 months and. 11 months. Short months, okay? And I was royally kicked out. But in that short period, I had over 200 death threats that were considered serious by Capitol Police. I never once went to social media and posted this.

[Milo]

They advise you not to do.

[George Santos]

No, no, they did not. They did not.

[Tim Pool]

They did not.

[George Santos]

I never once explained it. I know. Matt me gave gates Marjorie Taylor Greene. Marjorie just recently did it.

[Milo]

Law enforcement, typically.

[George Santos]

What I'm trying to tell you is the point. The point that I'm trying to make is when you're under death threat, you don't have time for this meandering bullshit.

[Tim Pool]

But that's not even the point.

[Milo]

Don't you think you're a somewhat distinctive case that might well have produced angry reactions in people who believe that you received your way in?

[George Santos]

I understanding body.

[Tim Pool]

Let me be.

[Milo]

Wasn't he.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, guys, guys.

[George Santos]

So you think it's okay to threaten people to kill them?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Milo]

No. Wasn't he sort of right that you shouldn't be in Congress?

[Tim Pool]

No, guys, this is not the point. I got elected. The point is this.

[Milo]

On the basis of lying.

[George Santos]

That's not.

[Tim Pool]

How about this, guys? Instead of us taking off Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or, I'm sorry, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday for Thanksgiving, I announced that the threat against us has escalated, and I have no choice but to go dark for the time being. I'm in contact with the FBI. Pray for us. And then go off. Go offline. Leave for a week to go on vacation and go skiing and get 50 million views. My phone's blowing up with pray for us.

[Milo]

Pissed you off, didn't it? Why? Because why?

[Tim Pool]

Because why? Because no one said pray for us.

[Milo]

Who said pray for us? Well, Candace says it a lot.

[Tim Pool]

She didn't say it on her tweet, I'm saying on that tweet. But why don't I just do that?

[Milo]

If you didn't say the tweet, then why did you say so? I. I believe that in order to see.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying it because I know.

[Milo]

I'm just. My point being difficult, but I'm. Look, I think that in order to see. See what is substantially sick and wrong about Erica and Turning Point and to.

Give Candace the benefit of the doubt and to support her, I think it requires religious discernment. I think it.

[Tim Pool]

Sure, if Candace was serious, she'd come out and call it Erica. Personally, I think.

[Milo]

I think it requires.

[Tim Pool]

Do it.

[Milo]

Who knows what that. Who knows what that Scottsdale gold digger would say or has done? Nobody.

[Tim Pool]

So can't. You're saying Candace is scared to call out Erica?

[Milo]

I didn't say she was scared.

[Tim Pool]

I said, why won't you do it?

[Milo]

What she might have. We don't know. We don't know what the results were. We don't know what's going on.

[Tim Pool]

What do you Mean on her show, she has never explicitly insinuated Erica like she has never explicitly stated she said yes.

[Milo]

Well, isn't a bigger question why Erica hasn't called her? Because she said if Erica asked me to stop, I will. Erica hasn't. That's a bigger question for me.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's not.

[Milo]

Yes, it is. Of course it is. Because. Of course it is. Because everything, if everything she's saying is wrong and Erica, the CEO of Turning Point can stop it with a phone call. Why didn't she.

[Tim Pool]

Because she can't.

[Milo]

Why didn't she say because Erica can't.

[Tim Pool]

Stop over the phone.

[Milo]

Think about. But think about the fallout out. Okay. Pitter patcher off to a state single party consent law.

[Tim Pool]

What is.

[Milo]

Call Candace. Tape it.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Milo]

Say I'm calling you.

[Tim Pool]

Uhhuh.

[Milo]

Because you told me with witnesses around, including. Including people who don't like you.

[Tim Pool]

Uhhuh.

[Milo]

Candace, you said that if I call you and ask you to stop talking about my husband's death and the theories around it that you would. I'm calling to ask you to stop.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed.

[Milo]

Why did you do that?

[Naomi]

Because Candace would win, as you have stated correctly. But not because she's right, but because that's the public perception option.

[Tim Pool]

What is PR 101, Milo? What is the first thing every PR professional person like in PR 101? What is the first thing to tell you?

[Milo]

Yeah, don't read the level, obviously. But. But okay, so what if. What if it was done privately with. Because what I'm saying is when I.

[Tim Pool]

Say you would then go on her show.

[Milo]

When I say tape it. Right. When I say tape it, I don't mean tape and release it.

[Tim Pool]

I know I'm saying, I just mean tape it. So the thought process literally from Turning Point, and I'm telling you this as I literally know you've heard from directly.

[Milo]

I know, I know you have.

[Tim Pool]

Directly. They said when we tried addressing it, it got worse. We don't we. And er101 is say nothing.

[Milo]

It got worse because they bungled it in addition to the fact that there's.

[Tim Pool]

No not bungling it.

[Milo]

So you're saying she wins regardless when you are.

[Tim Pool]

Let me put it like this.

[Milo]

I'd like to point out why aren't Turning Point better. I'd like to.

Sweetie. Pumpkin. Ms. Owens. Candace Owens is inevitable. Tim Pool.

[George Santos]

Like that's what you perhaps said.

[Milo]

That's what you just said.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. And so get on board, boy. Milo, let me ask you a question. Do you think that if you were in charge, let Me ask you a question. If you were in charge of all communications at Turning Point. Yeah. From the moment Charlie died, do you think you would have beaten Candace in the communication sphere?

[Milo]

No, I don't.

[Tim Pool]

You think that she would have maligned you and you would have.

[Milo]

I, I, I don't, I don't know if she would have maligned me. Although we were not friends for a very long time and maybe, maybe she, like.

[Tim Pool]

You don't think you could do better than Turning Point did?

[Milo]

No. Well, no, that's not, That's a different question. Different question.

[George Santos]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

It is.

[Milo]

I could do far better than Turning Point knowing that the. I do far better Turning Point. But I think she's still one.

[Tim Pool]

You know what I think about Turning Point? I think there's two big things happening.

[Milo]

I don't think anybody can beat her. I think she's a, I think she is a once in a generation media genius. Like what?

[Tim Pool]

The winning. So can I, Can I finish the point? I was, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know we're talking a lot, but I was saying or. This is horrible for literally saying something.

[Milo]

Sorry, go on.

[Tim Pool]

There's two things happening with Turning Point. Charlie's death meant a gigantic vacuum appeared in management and they immediately have to figure out who's doing what.

[Milo]

So they came up with a lie that he told his wife.

That she was going to have CEO.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean? She is the CEO.

[Milo]

Well, they came up with a lie that it was his intention she would be the CEO and then she ascended to CEO.

[Tim Pool]

How's that a lie? No matter.

[Milo]

How's what Candy Simmons is saying a lie? We don't know, do we?

[Tim Pool]

Candace said that that was a lie.

[Milo]

No, I'm saying, I'm asserting that that is a lie in the same way that you assert that things that Candace is saying is a lie. We can't know who said we can't know, can we?

[Tim Pool]

We can't know what Erica, is the.

[Milo]

That was Charlie's intention.

[Tim Pool]

Why would. Why would Charlie want to give his company to somebody else?

[Milo]

Why would he want to give it to his wife?

[Tim Pool]

Because she's the next of kin and the company reverts the next.

[Milo]

I'm sorry.

[Tim Pool]

Whether he wanted to happen or not, she gets it.

[Milo]

How many times has Charlie talked about women in leadership up.

[Tim Pool]

Why would husband is going to be like, my wife can't have my money.

[Milo]

He would give it to the wife.

[Tim Pool]

Who you know, because it's next to is his wife. Whether he wants to have.

[Milo]

He clearly saw his Children.

[Tim Pool]

Whether he wanted to or not.

[Milo]

He saw his children. He clearly did not enjoy his wife's company when they are on stage together. I mean, don't you remember.

[Tim Pool]

Come on, Milo.

[George Santos]

Don't you remember making these assertions of a dead man?

[Milo]

Don't you.

[George Santos]

You cannot prove.

[Milo]

Don't you remember her face that just telegraphed I'm bored as hell every time he was talking on stage with her.

[George Santos]

Come on.

[Milo]

You're sorry.

[George Santos]

It's true.

[Tim Pool]

We're making assertions about.

[Milo]

Based on my read of what happened 100.

[Tim Pool]

You're saying that Tim can't make assertions about what he.

[George Santos]

About Candace.

[Milo]

No, I'm saying. I'm saying that Tim does not make. Does not present the caveat that this is his.

[George Santos]

But you're not presenting the caveat on Erica. Come on.

[Milo]

Because I'm not stating it as a fact.

[George Santos]

You literally just did. You said she hated.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. Okay, guys. I'm gonna do some logic.

[Milo]

I mean I'm in.

[Tim Pool]

I'm. I'm just some math.

[Milo]

Inferential reasoning.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Milo]

Is leading me to conclude. Which is my conclusion based on inferential.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm okay with that. And now let me do some math.

[Milo]

But. But I believe that you are making more. I believe statements you make have a higher truth standard. I think you're making absolute factual claims about. About Candace Owens interior state. Which you can know.

[Tim Pool]

So that's. I'm going to do this. What it sounds like when Candace tweeted. We are. We're going off the air as an update. The White House has confirmed receipt. Right. I recognize that instantly. It's not an accident. It's called a subtitle of reasoning. It's a basic social engineering trick that people are taught to do now. I mean, what do we do? I will accept.

[Milo]

What should she have done? What should you have done in that circumstance?

[Tim Pool]

We're off for Thanksgiving. I've. Hey guys. We're taking the week off for Thanksgiving.

[Milo]

The apex of a story about how her best friend was murdered. When her whole life. When her whole life is consumed by this in a way that could very well have it did. She didn't. But the massively high risk decision that she made to turn her entire media career into a crusade to discover. Charlie.

[Tim Pool]

You're right. This. From this point forward, I am going to be a thespian.

[Milo]

Okay?

[Tim Pool]

All of my stories will be conveyed through the dramatic and insincere.

[George Santos]

Can I write for you? Can I just write the episodes for you?

[Tim Pool]

I can't believe you have no idea. Yeah.

[Milo]

I can't believe. First of all, I cannot believe that Tim Paul just alluded to me as theatrical and insincere, and I would like.

[Tim Pool]

I'm talking about Candace.

[Milo]

Oh, okay.

[Tim Pool]

And. And to be fair, Milo, you're definitely sincere, but you're also theatrical. Come on. My point is. Come on. Good. You know what?

[Elf Drew Ski]

I'll stop.

[Milo]

I heard your new album's good.

[Naomi]

That is.

[Tim Pool]

You know what? I will accept.

[Milo]

No one's going to hear it.

[Tim Pool]

I will accept this. The world that I. That I want to live in doesn't exist. Exist. Every major corporation, every major personality, and anyone who wishes they had the talent would do it in two seconds. And I have the talent, and I refuse to do it because I'm a idiot. So I. I say, let's go, baby. I will lie, cheat, and steal all the way to the top.

[Milo]

Stop it.

[Tim Pool]

Two things. There's.

[George Santos]

Oh, it doesn't work. It doesn't pay off. I've tried it.

[Tim Pool]

There's a difference.

[George Santos]

I tried it. Listen, don't do it.

[Milo]

Let me tell you, from George Santos, the Milianopolis. This ain't your thing. No, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

You. You are. You are wrong. As I already pointed out, I was a nation's best fundraiser for one of the top.

[Milo]

Could have done it. You could do it now.

[Tim Pool]

So just.

[Milo]

Okay, I want.

[Tim Pool]

The point is.

[Milo]

No, no, hang on, hang on. I want to know from Phil that that was a bit of an escalation. That joke. I apologize for. That was a bit too much.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I don't. I don't take any.

[George Santos]

Oh, no, we love it. We're clipping it and I'm promoting it that way.

[Tim Pool]

That's going to go. That's going to go at the very beginning of the next. All that Remains record.

[Milo]

No, cuz I already.

[George Santos]

It's hot.

[Milo]

All right. Boom, boom, boom. I'm sorry. When you said just a hard act to follow, I thought to myself, wonder, don't you only warm up for people?

[Tim Pool]

I have a question.

[Milo]

Surely. Surely you've never had that experience. I want you guys. So. No, no, but. But. But. That was a bit much. But.

[George Santos]

Are you gonna say I'm sorry? Can I hear you say I'm sorry? Hell no.

[Milo]

But. But tell me, what does Dark Tim look like?

[George Santos]

Dark Tim.

[Milo]

Tim. What is. What is. What does Dark Tim Paul look like? Is he just kind of like, painted a little picture of himself?

[Tim Pool]

I've done another show before. I did it. I did it yesterday morning.

[Milo]

Did you?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, basically. I mean, it's. It's. Oh, bro. You. You want to see me cry in command? Yes, I think I absolutely can. Just. I'd win an Oscar.

[Milo]

What do you do? You're conjure a sad.

[Tim Pool]

I've never seen a cry.

[Milo]

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, I don't cry, right? And so I told this story. I think it was yesterday morning or the day before.

[Milo]

Is there something you can predict? Does it.

[Tim Pool]

I. I wouldn't say. It's right here. I can literally just.

[Milo]

I can't do that.

[George Santos]

But I will tell you, you can't cry on command. That's why you never. You were never apologized.

[Tim Pool]

Let me tell you a story. Can I tell you a story?

[Milo]

I will tell you. I get my book of picture. I get my book of pictures of Troy out. And I am in. I'm in floods of tears. Weeping. So I can fake it, but I can't do what you scary sinister can do.

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[Elf Drew Ski]

Zoe, this thing weighs a tony.

[Milo]

Live with your legs, man.

[Tim Pool]

Santa.

[Milo]

Santa, did you get my letter?

[Elf Drew Ski]

He's talking to you britches.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not that.

[Mrs. Claus's Younger Sister]

Of course he did. Right, Santa?

[Tim Pool]

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[Milo]

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[Elf Drew Ski]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tim Pool]

Tom, let me do this to you.

[Milo]

George, please, something really hurtful.

[Tim Pool]

You know, my most proud sales that I've ever done for a homeless shelter resulted in a woman crying in front of me on the street. And she gave 700 per month because.

[Milo]

She wanted to help homeless people. Would not.

[George Santos]

So I did So I did the same kind, not at the same level.

[Tim Pool]

So here was my pitch.

[Milo]

But yeah, George. George was in Hermes.

[Tim Pool]

My pitch was this. My pitch. George. I'm going to. I'm going to. I'm going to convince you. I'm going to turn the theatrical matrix. So they give us a script and everybody knows it. You stand on the balls of your feet, you keep your arms wide, and you say, hey, you want to talk about the homeless problem in this. In this. In this city, we need your help. Something like that, right? Well, that doesn't work, does it? So what I did because I was one of the best. And anybody who's good at this and good at sales knows these stupid scripts don't work. So what I did was I was.

[Milo]

Idiots and not people like you.

[Tim Pool]

So they have in. Indeed. So what they tell the entry level people who don't have the talent, Ask everyone and read this verbatim and you will get two people to sign up. Well, I was doing like 10 people, you know, every couple of hours. So I see a woman walking towards me. She's older, and I'm on the balls of my feet. I'm holding my clipboard and I wave to her. And as she gets close, I say, hey, would you like to talk to me about the homeless crisis and how you can help? And she goes, sure. What's going on? I said, well, first of all, my name is Tim and I work with insert shelter. Now, every. Every.

I'm sorry, I. I can't do this that fast. Right into it. I can't do it. They give us this script we're supposed to read, and I'm trying really, really hard.

[Milo]

You're fright. You're frightening.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, ma', am, you know there's a homeless problem in this city. I mean, Los Angeles is the homeless capital of the developed world. And you've seen it, right? And she goes, yes. And I say, okay. I am out here because every day when I walk to work, I see people sleeping under bridges. I see people sleeping on the sidewalk, and I see politicians who don't care.

But you stop to talk to me because I think you do care. I want you to do something for me. I want you to close your eyes.

Close your eyes. I want you to imagine what it's like to sleep under a bridge. I want you to imagine what it's like. You're cold. And the worst thing is, you know, nobody cares. They walk by you.

They have disdain for you, they insult you. It's not your fault. It's not Your fault. But they don't listen. No one loves you. Open your eyes. You look up, and in the sunlight, you see a hand reach out and you hear a voice say, I care. I love you. For the first time in a long time, someone actually tells you that they care about you.

And you take their hand and they lift you up. And this is where it gets better. I want you to be that hand right now. Will you do that? Will you be the person who finally says, I care? And she started crying. I mean, you're frightening me.

[George Santos]

I'm the one.

[Milo]

I'm like, you're the most frightening person I've ever heard because I just saw you.

[Naomi]

You would get an Oscar, but in Germany, this wouldn't work because we're all very.

[George Santos]

Because you're cold, but you're very cold blooded. In Germany, it's different.

[Milo]

No, no, that was frightening because. And you know why it was frightening? I've heard that from so many pulpits by, by so many preachers. Because that's the, that's the, that's the.

[Tim Pool]

And the, and the funniest thing is I can actually.

[Milo]

And these people, these people built. These people build churches of tens of thousands of people.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I don't do it. I don't come on the show and.

[Milo]

I don't part of the camera and.

[Tim Pool]

Tell people to give me money.

[George Santos]

That was really good, by the way.

[Milo]

Timothy, you are frightening.

[George Santos]

I was very, very good.

[Tim Pool]

And this is why I would, you know, you want to hear what me and my buddy. It's funny because Mark is probably here somewhere too. And we would go out with these nonprofits and they would expect within eight hours, you could sign up two people, me, Mark, and another one of our friends would go out for 15 minutes, sign up the people at the quota, and then go. Go home. Then we'd be like, what time do we got to be back at work to check in? And then we'd be playing GTA and we'd take the train back to work, be like, yeah, you know, we got two today. That's quota. And we took us 15 minutes to do.

[Milo]

And you know, the frightening thing about it is it hits people with the best hearts the hardest.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Milo]

And this is why, let me tell you one thing.

I would have laughed that off when I was gay.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Milo]

Because I, I. Because, I mean, maybe I think I.

[Tim Pool]

Would pitch you to that if, If I saw you in West Hollywood.

[Milo]

No, no, But I'm saying, I'm saying cinema, since I have. Since I care what happens to Me now, spiritually, I've started to care what happens to other people in a way that opens me up to that kind of manipulation. I feel it. I feel it now. I wouldn't have felt that five years ago.

[Tim Pool]

So the, the first, the first thing you understand in, in psychological manipulation, social engineering, is rapport. The most important thing.

[Milo]

I get that you wouldn't do that with me because I'm ridiculous looking.

[Tim Pool]

But, but, but, and, and so I would approach you and I would try to. As soon as I see you walking, I would start to imitate your mannerisms.

[Milo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I would hear how you talk, and I would start to talk like you.

[Milo]

Fucking terrifying to me.

[Tim Pool]

And, and I. And you know, for a while I.

[Milo]

Thought, wasn't that a lot? I was a very. Was. I mean, I didn't. I must say, I didn't get there, but if he kept going, I would have got there.

[Naomi]

And I got to say, it reminds me of Candace.

[Milo]

It does.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's. That's.

[George Santos]

It's Candace's playbook. You're not wrong.

[Tim Pool]

And the thing is, right, what the.

[Naomi]

Correlation is, would be losing if she did not have a predominantly female and extremely feminized audience. Audience. It's true. Somebody that I respect, Candace, besides both of you here, especially because you just shot what you're capable of, which apparently he's not using for a good reason, is Tucker Carlson. I appreciate a lot.

[Milo]

Did you imagine he's friends with. I would like to retract. I would like to retract my earlier statements that I was mad that you did not give me the chance to date you, but.

[George Santos]

Are you saying Tucker's bad?

[Milo]

I still love you.

[George Santos]

Wait, wait, are you saying Tucker's bad?

[Tim Pool]

Is that.

[George Santos]

Is that your opinion?

[Milo]

She is.

[Tim Pool]

So I'm just going to do this from now on.

[Milo]

I'm going to. I'm going to.

[Tim Pool]

Actually, we're wrapping.

[Milo]

I'm going to the restroom.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to wrap up now.

[Milo]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Tim Pool]

I know we didn't get to super chats, guys, but this was kind of a. A therapy session, and this was a.

[Milo]

Very important show for me and for you and, and you're frightening. But.

You know, people talk so much about this guy, but the fact that you're not doing that when you could is. Is. Is people will have noticed that.

[George Santos]

I will say this, and I do. I did start watching your podcast over the last year. I was not a listener, and, And I've come to like a lot of your platform and the guests and What? The conversations you have. I love that. I was so excited to talk about airplanes today.

And I was so excited to talk about the Supreme Court. Hold on, Milo. You hogged up all the fucking air. Relax.

[Milo]

I guess that answers the question in the pre show about who's gonna dominate the show now.

[George Santos]

So that's fine. So at least I got the green room bit because. Jesus. But my point is, I have never.

[Milo]

Duplicated, over duplicated the OG Daquin Queen that won't shut up. Thank you for giving me the crown because this ain't never coming on.

[George Santos]

Okay, great. Your paper crown's very deserved. So my point is, I just want to say thank you for your candor because what you just displayed is what you could be doing. And you choose every single day to come on really frightening, not do it right, which takes a lot more. And trust me, as somebody who's been the king of at one point, myself, and I have the wherewithal to say. I have the wherewithal to sit here and tell you that. That I appreciate you for being an honest broker when so many people are choosing dishonesty, so many people are choosing sensationalism, and so many people are fracturing the base that we need to keep unified more so now than ever before. I'm not saying it's the most consequential election. I just want to say, Tim, thank you. Literally, thank you. And I know I say that on behalf of.

[Milo]

I've always seen in him. People said, tim, Paul, really? I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm telling you.

[George Santos]

I'm telling you that you could be Candace Owens.

[Milo]

People talk mad about you.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I could.

[Milo]

Easy. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's my. That's my go. Thank you for that. I could have the same way. I feel the same way. But you know what?

[George Santos]

He endorsed every word I just said. You heard that, right?

[Milo]

Well, my own original idea that you must have seen on my phone and repeated then was, yeah, yeah, sure, okay. I. I kind of heard it. You said. But anyway, no, thank you for that. It was well expressed and correct. There you go. You can have that.

[Tim Pool]

Ladies and gentlemen, let's, let's. Let's do final thoughts. Wrap up. And.

[Milo]

And you are uncomfortable with compliments, aren't you?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. I want to make sure everybody can shut everything out because.

[Milo]

Are you really not?

[Tim Pool]

I think you are uncomfortable. Compliments, Compliments.

[Milo]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's the moment after. If you keep looking at him, he's like, do you want something from me? Like what? Walk away, dude. Give me the compliment. Everybody, I apologize that we didn't get to chats and rants and all that stuff. But the point is, when it got into the. When Milo and I started having this conversation, it actually. The cameras melted away. We changed and, and I, and I. And I hope people listened to what we said. Said. I think it was a very important conversation.

[Milo]

What has changed is that two people going at each other's throats on the Internet I now see as two well intentioned people talking past each other, maybe with different visions of how to go, maybe with incorrect ideas about one another. But I think you are a profoundly good person, a man of good moral character.

[Tim Pool]

I. I believe.

[Milo]

I believe that she is a woman of good moral character. So that's what we've got. We've turned in a way. It's an evolution from a conflict to a tragedy. In a way.

[Tim Pool]

When they came for you and they canceled you.

The words of these people mean nothing to me. I knew who you are. I knew what you represented. Sometimes I've had some criticisms. Sometimes I think you've done great. I think you've largely done great. And we brought you on the show because I don't care what anyone else thinks. We bring on the people that we think have something easy in our heart.

[Milo]

He did it when it wasn't easy. Not. Not. I don't want to. Okay? I don't want to shit on anybody who's done it recently. But he did it when it wasn't easy.

[Tim Pool]

So, my friend, smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim.

[Milo]

Nice guy.

[Tim Pool]

How about that? Where can people find you or follow you?

[Milo]

You can find me on Twitter. It's at Negro, but the G is silent. And so.

[Tim Pool]

Oh my God.

[George Santos]

You act like you're surprised when you. I'm sitting here thinking I'm going to get fucking canceled with this lunatic and I love him. You're.

[Milo]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Tim Pool]

I am sorry.

[Milo]

I am terribly sorry.

[George Santos]

What?

[Milo]

What the fuck?

[George Santos]

I've never been cancelled.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, you went to prison. You went to jail.

[George Santos]

I know, but I wasn't socially cancelled. Society. I went to presidential Jury came out uncanceled by lawyers. There was no jury. Jurist produced. There was no jury.

[Milo]

Fine by a slumbering octogenarian who claimed never to heard of the Beatles.

[George Santos]

You were cancelled from human civilization. Milo.

[Tim Pool]

Do you. Do you do? Or anywhere else aside from Twitter. Whether you are at Nero No, I'm.

[Milo]

Bad for everything else.

[George Santos]

Okay, George Santos on Twitter. I'm just going to keep this very simple.

[Milo]

He's got his handle. If you.

[George Santos]

I just got my handle.

[Milo]

Because if you see it, they.

[George Santos]

They did the whole handle thing and it worked. I got Jordan, so it's pretty cool. I do want to say, Milo, I love you.

[Milo]

I love you.

[George Santos]

I disagree with fundamentally, most of what you said today. And that's okay, Tim. Thank you for having me. And I'm going to invite you to. A lot of people aren't shameless plug, by the way. I expect to see Tim there. But you were invited.

[Milo]

You just missed it. Um, a lot of people are not invited to join.

[George Santos]

Anyway, real quick, December 9th, I'll be hosting the first of what will be a tradition of Santos Claus in dc. And lastly, I do want to say, don't forget to go on cameo.com and book your Christmas cameo, because they are going fast.

[Milo]

I will say this. I can't imagine anybody that would be more of a delight for literally anyone, literally anyone than cameo from George Santos. Like, you're such. You're exactly that.

[George Santos]

So. Hey, Tim just started cameo. I mean, like, I'm even.

[Milo]

I'm even.

[Tim Pool]

I got one. That's good.

[George Santos]

We should book Tim Pool on cameo.

[Milo]

I'm even tempted, I mean, to book you for a few friends of mine, but just, you know, because I don't like getting freebies from friends, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Fine, please do.

[George Santos]

But I will take your money.

[Tim Pool]

All right.

[Milo]

Oh, I know you.

[Tim Pool]

We got to get the shout outs through Naomi.

[Milo]

Naomi. Allow me. She's at Naomi siped on Twitter. Which will need to be correct.

[Naomi]

Sorry, this is absolutely correct.

[Milo]

Yes. Which will need to be on the screen in order for you to be able to spell it. So there's no point me telling you.

[Naomi]

Because you won't remember ibt, so you.

[Milo]

Won'T remember that it's Naomi that problems. She is, despite her terrible opinions, still one of the prettiest girls in politics.

[Naomi]

Thank you so much. I think I have a lot of great opinions that you actually agree with. And I have been involved.

[Milo]

I'm sorry, we didn't hear any of those.

[Naomi]

Nothing can damage my self esteem in the foreseeable future.

[Milo]

I'm gonna be honest with you. Like, you were one of those, like three or four women where I was like, if only this was going a bit, bit faster. Like, you know, like, if only. If only this next gay thing was happening a bit faster, I'd be like, I would totally scoop that up. So you know, you can. You can take that with you to the bank.

[Tim Pool]

Hey guys. Good combo and I the semantic misinterpretations. I thought where it was like the difference between spreading misinformation and actively lying, when you know it's misinformation is very different. And once you get become a tool for that machine and spread false information and you realize it's happening to you. I understand why you're sensitive to seeing other people, people potentially spreading false information. Whether they're lying or not. I don't know. But I really appreciate you guys all coming in here and talking about this. Where can they find you at Ian Crossland. And. And I. I think a lot of people are an emotional static shock from Charlie's death. It is. It's not gonna. It didn't resolve itself in six months. So keep that in mind with this. I am Phil that Remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. This weekend you can check out all that Remains on Rock Smith lead you into this.

[Milo]

It's gonna be from the band everything.

[Tim Pool]

It's gonna be. It's gonna be two. So our most recent record called Antifragile. The songs are Let you go and.

[George Santos]

And Divine Syndrome.

[Tim Pool]

December.

[Milo]

I can't believe you abusers.

[Tim Pool]

You can. You can check out all the Remain.

[George Santos]

Stuff on Rocksman on PC Mobile or Basement in Germany.

[Tim Pool]

Check out the band all that Remains.

[George Santos]

On Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Diesel.

[Tim Pool]

We'll see you all next time. Thanks for hanging.