Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL — "Milo & Tim Pool GO DEEP On Inside Of TPUSA And Candace Owens With George Santos w/ Milo & George Santos, Naomi Seibt"

Date: December 6, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Milo Yiannopoulos, George Santos, Naomi Seibt

Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL is a raw, candid, and, at times, fiery roundtable featuring Tim Pool, Milo Yiannopoulos, George Santos, and Naomi Seibt. The conversation dives deep into controversial territory: the power struggles and recent drama surrounding Turning Point USA (TPUSA) following the death of Charlie Kirk, the role of Candace Owens in upending the conservative media landscape, and sweeping questions about truth, manipulation, and integrity in both politics and media. Expect a blend of confessions, personal grievances, sharp analysis, and philosophical debate about "winning" at all costs versus moral standards in public life.

Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. Opening Banter and Cast Introductions ([04:05]–[10:00])

• Playful back-and-forths set the tone for a high-energy, irreverent discussion.
• Milo jokes about rumors and his own controversies; Santos and Naomi jump in with dry wit.
• Milo and Naomi discuss her seeking asylum due to threats in Germany ([05:25]–[06:22]).

2. The Media Gets it Wrong—J6 Pipe Bomb Story ([10:45]–[12:30])

• Tim and the group critique CNN for misreporting the identity (race) of the J6 pipe bomber.
• Highlights skepticism about mainstream media's credibility.

"CNN is getting roasted ... the man who looks very much like Steve Urkel ... they said, did I do that?" —Tim Pool ([10:45])

3. The TPUSA Power Struggle and Candace Owens Rift ([18:00]–[48:00])

A. Is George Santos Really a Centrist?

• Milo grills George about his ideological leanings, labeling him a "centrist" despite popular expectations ([18:07]).
• Santos insists he is “just practical,” not bound by right or left ([18:49]).
• Both discuss the insanity of political extremes and Candace Owens’ role.

“You can basically wear the same outfit and, like, one person's a 6 and one person's a 10 ... it's really rough.” —Milo ([04:25])

B. The Nature of Political Grievances

• Tim and Milo dig into how right-leaning outlets and personalities handle criticism and dissent.
• Discussion turns to manipulation in media, Candace's "soap opera" style, and the ways she appeals to emotions (especially women) ([21:25]–[24:00]).

“This is a show for women.” —Tim Pool ([24:13])

• Naomi brings up the true crime appeal of Candace's storytelling to her audience ([23:14]).

C. The Candace Owens–Turning Point Rift

• Detailed debate on Candace Owens allegedly causing division and demoralization within the conservative base.
• Tim accuses Candace of manipulative, social engineering tactics, while Milo defends her intention and faith ([24:41]–[43:00]):

“She has a great pattern matching brain.” —Milo ([24:08]) “I am not going to play this game where you're like, well, she's insinuated literally every fucking time some nefarious... but she didn't explicitly say it, so I'm too stupid.” —Tim Pool ([51:51])

• Discussion on whether prominent conservative influencers are paid to stay quiet about internal power struggles ([28:09]):

“Because if you know that some, a particular person is going to be counterproductive... you might pay them to shut up.” —Milo ([29:24])

D. Turning Point's Treatment of Outsiders & Power Dynamics

• Milo recounts the personal cost of TPUSA's tactics to marginalize him, and how Charlie Kirk’s ruthlessness shaped the organization ([59:34]):

“Charlie made up a rumor that I was having sex with children on campuses, underage boys on college campuses, and I was selling them drugs... so when we talk about this, when we lionize this figure, it's important to remember what we're doing.” —Milo ([60:10])

• Tim adds TPUSA has been shifting toward neoconservatism, pushing out coalition members ([64:03]):

“They are attempting to reorient around Bush era Republicanism... excise coalition members on the right.” —Tim Pool ([64:03])

4. Truth, Social Engineering, and Morality in Public Life ([75:37]–[98:31])

• Tim and Milo have a strikingly honest dialogue about manipulation, narrative, and integrity.
• Tim recaps his past as a top fundraiser, sharing a moving (and manipulative) sales pitch he used—then explains why he chose not to bring those tactics into his media work ([124:03]).

“My principal motivation... is not even political. It is: what is true and what is not.” —Tim Pool ([41:04])

• Debate over whether manipulation (e.g., urgency, omission) can be used morally for a "good" cause ([98:11]–[99:46]).

“If you decide, 'I'm going to make a better world by deceiving the people,' you're only creating a world of deceit. That's evil.” —Tim Pool ([96:15])

• Milo contends that sometimes “lies by omission” are permissible for moral outcomes, but Tim rejects this on principle.

5. Candace Owens, the Charlie Kirk Death Controversy, and the Future of the Right ([41:39]–[116:15])

• Milo and Naomi defend Candace’s quest for the truth about Kirk’s death; Tim asserts her storytelling is needlessly divisive and manipulative.
• Discussion of Candace’s influence and why the Turning Point PR response failed versus Candace’s media mastery.
• Broader question: Is airing dirty laundry and chasing truth at all costs healthy for the conservative movement, or fatally divisive?
• George Santos chimes in:

“Candace hurts everyone. Candace puts everyone... who are doing what Candace is doing on an election year ... is fracturing the base in a time where it's very sensitive.” —George Santos ([82:03])

6. Final Reflections and Emotional Closure ([130:06]–end)

• Genuine appreciation is shared as the hosts reflect on honesty in media and the hard choices behind the scenes.
• Santos thanks Tim for his candor and integrity.

“Thank you for your candor because what you just displayed is what you could be doing. And you choose every single day to come on really frightening, not do it right, which takes a lot more.” —George Santos ([130:43])

• Milo closes by flipping from adversary to ally:

“What has changed is that two people going at each other's throats on the Internet I now see as two well intentioned people talking past each other ... I think you are a profoundly good person, a man of good moral character.” —Milo ([132:34])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Candace Owens’ style:
  • "She’s the only one with a massive platform who has devoted (herself to questioning TPUSA)." — Milo ([48:55])
  • "What I think is evil is ... Candace Owens is doing the lowest grade but well done social assumptive reasoning manipulation." — Tim Pool ([50:38])
• On media and manipulation:
  • “If I want to go on my show and have an emotional meltdown, that's who I am.” —Tim Pool ([76:20])
  • “[Milo] knows all your secrets ... No one wants to be his enemy.” —George Santos ([90:14])
• On truth and principle:
  • “I do not believe the ends justify the means because we never meet the ends. If you decide 'Yes, I'll make a better world by deceiving the people,' you're only creating a world of deceit. That's evil.” —Tim Pool ([96:15])
• On Candace v. TPUSA:
  • “I'm glad, I'm glad she is [challenging TPUSA], because although that organization did a lot of good, it also did a lot of damage.” —Milo ([85:15])
  • “She is a once-in-a-generation media genius.” —Milo ([117:01])
• Reflections on the base fracturing:
  • “She fractured... the base because the conversation is no longer around the issues that Americans care about. Regular people are no longer talking about how we are going to win and make this country better. But they're talking about the dumbest shit in the world.” —Tim Pool, regarding Candace ([83:06])

Key Takeaways

• TPUSA and Charlie Kirk's Legacy: The organization is described as both highly effective and ruthlessly exclusionary—instrumental in Trump’s victory but also responsible for pushing out independent voices.
• Candace Owens: Simultaneously lauded as a “media genius” and critiqued for paralyzing and demoralizing the right with divisive, emotionally manipulative storytelling and unvetted insinuations.
• Media & Manipulation: The panel lays bare the overlap between fundraising tactics, social engineering, and modern political communication—and where each personally draws the ethical line.
• The State of the Right: There's consensus that the right’s former “big tent” unity is dissolving; finger-pointing and narrative warfare are worsening the fracture ahead of crucial elections.
• Personal Integrity: The final consensus is a rare note in online punditry: honesty and aversion to empty manipulation have real value—even if that means a smaller audience and less “winning.”

Final Thoughts

• Tim Pool: Stands firm on principle, defending his critical stance on Candace Owens as rooted in truth-seeking and opposition to manipulative tactics, even if it means personal or professional costs.
• Milo Yiannopoulos: While airing personal grievances with the conservative establishment, he ultimately seeks unity and recognizes genuine good faith—even when there’s difference in tactics or style.
• George Santos: Advocates for the strategic value of “rogue” actors but opposes Candace’s divisive approach, urging unity for electoral success.
• Naomi Seibt: Acknowledges the emotional fallout surrounding Kirk's death as under-processed within the movement.

This unscripted, cathartic debate is a piercing look inside the clashes, motivations, and looming identity crisis facing the American right—and a testament to the value of transparent, if combative, long-form conversation.

For further discussion:

• Does truth-telling always mean "losing" in today's culture war?
• Are emotional appeals and manipulative storytelling a necessary evil in politics and media?

Follow the Guests:

• Tim Pool: X/Twitter
• Milo Yiannopoulos: @nero (with the “g” silent)
• George Santos: @georgesantos
• Naomi Seibt: @naomiseibt

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