MN To LOSE Congressional Seat Over Deportations, Attacks Against ICE Getting WORSE w/ Sulaiman Ahmed

Summary

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Timcast IRL – Episode Summary

Episode Title: MN To LOSE Congressional Seat Over Deportations, Attacks Against ICE Getting WORSE w/ Sulaiman Ahmed
Date: January 17, 2026
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Sulaiman Ahmed (independent journalist), Phil Labonte, Ian Crossland, Tate Brown

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Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL dives into the contentious issues surrounding ICE enforcement, police shootings, immigration, and the broader implications for political division in the United States. Sulaiman Ahmed joins the panel to provide a critical left-leaning perspective, challenging the prevailing right-leaning views of the regular cast. The episode is marked by vigorous debate over law enforcement, state power, the ethics and practicalities of mass deportation, as well as broader geopolitical and cultural issues including war, corporatism, and religious influence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. ICE Shooting Incident & Use of Force

Segment: [05:10–31:00]

• Incident: Panel debates a recent ICE shooting of Minneapolis resident Renee Goode, focusing on whether the use of force was justified.
• Sulaiman Ahmed’s View: The operation was mishandled; the government is seen as covering for ICE, fueling distrust and claims of state-sanctioned violence.
• Phil Labonte’s View: Legally, the use of deadly force is justified if the officer perceives a threat, using the car as a weapon as justification.
  • Quote [07:17]: “The car is a deadly weapon. As soon as the car starts moving towards [the officer], he is authorized to use defensive force.”
• Tim Pool’s Concerns: Excessive use of force (multiple shots fired); worried about these police powers being used against other political groups in the future.
  • Quote [12:06]: “This could very easily be turned against us that are either anti-vax or anti-government.”
• Ian Crossland’s Hypotheticals: Raises concerns about escalation and loss of civil liberties if law enforcement is broadly empowered.
• On Reporting & Narrative: Sulaiman highlights selective media narratives and how state actions are perceived as politically motivated.

Memorable Exchange:
Tim Pool [23:28]: “Smart enough to realize that what's happening with ICE can be done to you. It can happen to you... the government can do something wrong to you.”

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2. Comparisons: Police Violence & Political Hypocrisy

Segment: [23:03–31:00]

• Ashley Babbitt Parallel: Comparison between the ICE shooting and the death of Ashley Babbitt on January 6th; consistency in applying legal standards to police use of deadly force.
  • Phil Labonte [24:10]: “By the legal standard, Ashley Babbitt, it was a justified shooting... just like Minneapolis.”
  • Tim Pool [24:53]: “You’re a piece of shit. I mean, there you go... But I’ll kill that, kill that. Just shoot another girl shooting white women.”
• Panel agrees: There is a risk in celebrating state violence when it aligns with one’s political preference; precedent can swing both ways.

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3. Political Escalation, Federal vs. Local Authority, and Mass Deportation

Segment: [31:45–43:43]

• State and Local Tensions: Discussion over sanctuary cities, federal overreach, and local resistance to immigration enforcement.
  • Phil Labonte: Argues cities/states have a legal duty to assist federal law enforcement.
  • Sulaiman Ahmed: Argues that political polarization and federal-local standoffs fuel escalation. Recommends either full-force or light-touch policy, not drawn-out confrontations.
• Deportations and Demographics: Tate Brown calls for extremely large-scale deportation—up to 100 million people—including “anchor babies,” post-1965 immigrants, etc.
  • Quote [58:12]: Tate Brown: "80 to 100 million need to go. I think that's achievable… I think white and black Americans are heritage Americans and should be prioritized."
  • Sulaiman Ahmed: Probes the morality and logistics of such policies.
  • Panel debates: Who is “American,” criteria for denaturalization, and the ethical disaster such a policy would entail.

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4. Corporate Power, Geopolitics & War

Segment: [50:49–77:53]

• Corporate Influence: Critical look at U.S. foreign policy serving multinational corporations’ interests rather than American citizens, using Venezuela, China, and oil politics as examples.
  • Tim Pool [53:32]: “These corporations don't care about us. They care about their bottom line more than killing their own employees.”
  • Ian Crossland: Warns of “corporatocracy” in the U.S. compared to China's top-down system.
• Middle East Policy/War with Iran:
  • Panel resists full-scale war with Iran; more caution than previous “forever wars.”
  • Tim Pool references the Project for a New American Century and the idea of U.S. interventions serving “Israel firsters.”
  • Sulaiman Ahmed analyzes geopolitics of the Middle East, Iran-Saudi rivalry, and the role of Israel in shaping policy.
• Empire Ethics: The group debates whether American global dominance is justifiable—Is it about preserving freedoms or subjugation for cheap goods?
  • Suleiman Ahmed [74:22]: “So your position is that America should subjugate the world so you can have cheaper goods?”
  • Phil Labonte: Argues U.S. hegemony is preferable to Chinese or Russian dominance.

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5. Violence, Morality, and Cultural Critique

Segment: [77:53–85:20]

• Societal Violence: Discussion of desensitization to violence, cultural moral decay, and the role of abortion, crime, and multiculturalism.
  • Tate Brown: “The West is still an exceptionally… we still accept an exceptional level of violence and propaganda.”
  • British “grooming gangs” crisis is discussed; Ahmed challenges the selective outrage and introduces data showing abuse is not limited to any one group.
• Immigration, Morality, and Cultural Integration: Is mass immigration compatible with diverse moral codes? U.S. vs. Swiss/Scandinavian models are debated.

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6. Conspiracies, Secrets, and Power Structures

Segment: [85:20–98:25]

• Epstein Scandal: Panel doubts credibility of the official Epstein story and government transparency.
  • Tim Pool: “It just sucks because it gives me the impression that they're protecting pedophiles.”
• State Secrets/Alliances: Every country spies; the myth of special relationships; U.S. “Five Eyes” alliance discussed.
  • Nuclear weapons: Tim Pool flirts with a nuclear denialist view, sparking scientific arguments from others.
• Religion: Abrahamic faiths’ influence on the West, divergence/convergence of Christianity and Islam.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (w/Timestamps)

• [07:17] Phil Labonte: “The car is a deadly weapon. As soon as the car starts moving towards [the officer], he is authorized to use defensive force.”
• [12:06] Tim Pool: “This could very easily be turned against us that are either anti-vax or anti-government.”
• [23:28] Tim Pool: “Smart enough to realize that what's happening with ICE can be done to you. The government can do something wrong to you.”
• [24:10] Phil Labonte: “By the legal standard, Ashley Babbitt, it was a justified shooting... just like Minneapolis.”
• [28:15] Phil Labonte: "They've got all the guns."
• [43:43] Tim Pool: On deep state incentives: “They love that this is happening. They love that we're fighting about it... done on purpose in order to divide us.”
• [55:04] Tim Pool: “I would argue that legal immigration is almost worse than illegal immigration... these companies put in legislation that lets them hire [cheap labor] and get tax breaks. That’s bullshit.”
• [58:12] Tate Brown: “80 to 100 million need to go [from the US]."
• [74:22] Suleiman Ahmed: “So your position is that America should subjugate the world so you can have cheaper goods?”
• [83:36] Tim Pool: “Our country protects pedophiles.”
• [93:07] Tim Pool: “It's just making me kind of lose faith in ever actually finding the truth. And that sucks.”

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Important Timestamps

• 05:10–31:00 – ICE/Police Shooting, Legal/Ethical Debate
• 31:45–43:43 – Escalation, Sanctuary Cities, Deportation Policy
• 47:00–77:53 – Geopolitics, War with Iran, U.S. Foreign Policy, Empire Ethics
• 77:53–85:20 – Cultural Violence, Morality, “Grooming Gangs,” Multiculturalism
• 85:20–98:25 – Epstein, Power/Secrets, Nuclear Debate, Religion
• 108:37–121:14 – Audience Q&A, Wrap-up

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Tone & Language

• Direct, confrontational, sarcastic, and provocative.
• Frequent use of slang and irreverent humor, especially from Tim Pool and Tate Brown.
• Suleiman Ahmed challenges the panel with a firm but measured liberal critique.
• Philosophical and polemical at turns; regular segues into larger cultural and existential debates.

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Conclusion

This episode showcases the extremes and nuances of America’s ongoing political and cultural battles, particularly over immigration, police violence, and federal authority. It reveals stark differences in policy proposals, worldviews, and moral philosophies between right-leaning hosts and guests and a more critical left-leaning voice. The discussion turns meta at times, as the group debates not only what is happening, but how and why political conflict is perpetuated—by the media, by government, or by human nature itself.

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Transcript

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[Tate Brown]

What is going on, patriots? Tate Brown here. Holding it down. Yeah. Just wrapped two episodes of across the Pond going up on this weekend with the great Conor Tomlinson. So be on lookout for that in the Culture War channel and on Connor's channel. It's going to be some good stuff and I am happy to be here.

[Tim Pool]

And everybody knows the guy to my left. Everybody give a round of applause for Phil Labonte. Hello, everybody.

[Phil Labonte]

My name is Phil Levante. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Hi, it's Solomon Ahmed. I'm an independent journalist on X. You can find me on x and on YouTube. On YouTube, I'm Solomon Ahmed X. Alex.

[Ian Crossland]

Stein is Marty McFly and I am Doc Brown. So when we get together, dude, the show goes off the rails. Are you ready to. I just want to talk about conspiracy theories. By the way, I'm at Ian Crosswood is where you can follow me. Do Alex.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we have to get a word from our other sponsor. I just want to say and address the Jewish elephant in the room. We love you, Israel. You are the promised land. You are the chosen people. You're better than everybody. Especially that Brown. Guy over there. So we love you. Down with the brown, up with the Jews. All right, with that being said, guys, we have Suleiman on here, and he said something very interesting before we started the show is that he's kind of lib tarted and that he disagrees with what ICE is doing currently in America. So I think this would be a great time and great place to start with. Personally, people are mad at Donald Trump because he's not doing enough when it comes to protecting ICE in Minneapolis. Me, I'm kind of the opinion. It's like, you know, I don't, I don't love people getting shot in the face, but I don't love women driving over people either. So I guess my point is, Suleiman, what do you think about Donald Trump and his support or not support of ice?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, I think the way the entire situation has been handled has been extremely incompetent and extremely bad. So there's two ways of dealing with this issue. Either you just leave it or you deal with it in a very systemized, harsh manner. And what harshness means is not shooting someone in the face.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So just think about it. When you deal with a kid, you can either. So my children, like, they, like I've never had to hit them because they know what the rules are, they understand what it is, and then they know they won't break the boundaries. But when you basically deal with the issue that you did, where you're basically sending ICE agents in and you're basically doing it based on some kind of propaganda that Nick Shirley's put out or whatever it may be, it's just going to ferment the situation and make it a lot worse. So therefore, you have to either go in harshly or. Or light. In addition to that, what happened was with the ICE situation of shooting Renee Goode, again, I think it was done intentionally in order to foment these riots and ferment hatred by both sides. Because a very easy way to de escalate the situation was you wouldn't have J.D. vance coming out and fighting with a lawyer on X. You would just be, look, we need to work out what's happened. We're going to investigate the situation. There'll be an independent inquiry, and I think everyone will be happy with it. What's happened? Is it. What it seems to suggest is that what's happening is the people in charge, whether it's the Vice President of the United States of America or dhs, whoever, are trying to hide or take cover for the ICE officer, and therefore People are like seeing this as a state sanctioned hit.

[Tate Brown]

What did the ICE agent do wrong?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Shoot her?

[Tim Pool]

Well, why did he shoot four times? I can't understand. No, it's actually, now it's came out. Look it up there. Now they said there's four shots. I only saw.

[Tate Brown]

Really.

[Tim Pool]

I only saw three, supposedly. I just read today that there was actually four shots, but I guess, you know, was one shot not enough?

[Phil Labonte]

No, it doesn't. Well, when you're dealing with the use of force issue, it doesn't matter. Like the number of times that he shoots is totally irrelevant. Like it's not a true shooter.

[Tim Pool]

When a cop shoots somebody, they actually have to put a specific report for actually each bullet. When it's shoot.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but when it's in the, when it's in that span of time, it's, it's this, it's considered the same use of force.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. All three shots were dispatched in like a single second.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But I'm saying typically in law enforcement they have to do reports for each separate shot, but from different.

[Phil Labonte]

It doesn't matter because is, it's, it's a use of defensive force. Right. The police officer is, is moving across the front of the car. There's a lot of people that make us think about him being in the car. He was walking around the car. He wasn't posted up in front of the car, he was moving across the car. As soon as she accelerated, whether, wherever the wheels were pointed, it doesn't matter. As soon as she accelerated, he's, he is in a position where he's like, I have to be. I'm in defense of my life. And he's has, he's authorized to use defensive force. That's the long and short.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I think one shot maybe was justified, but at the same exact time you saw Donald Trump say that the guy was in the hospital. Did you see that he got hit?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well, they, they bring him to the hospital because he was actually hit by the car. And allegedly he's alleged to have had. At least a government official said that he's had internal bleeding.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So according to that. So that's according to cbs.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, so if you don't want to believe the stuff that the government says, that's fine. Right. But we can only go by what the information.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

But we have to look at who the reporting is from. The reporting is from cbs. Barry Weiss. That's an important point to note. In addition to that, you've basically got another issue, which is when you look at what happen, look his life wasn't threatened. The car was at standstill.

[Phil Labonte]

No, it doesn't matter.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

But his life wasn't threatened. And the first shot.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, it was. The car was moving towards him. The car is zero car is a deadly weapon.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Two miles an hour. It's not deadly.

[Phil Labonte]

So, so the argument that you're making would be the same argument if you said, well, the gun he had, the perpetrator had a gun but he wasn't pointing it at the, at the officer. Police don't have to wait until they're. You're pointing at a gun at them or you're shooting at them. As soon as the person's in the car, refuses to get out and hits the accelerator, as soon as the car starts moving to him and towards him, he doesn't have to be like, oh, I know what the car is going to do to defend.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So there's two points. One thing is her wheel was completely turned up.

[Tim Pool]

Doesn't matter.

[Phil Labonte]

We already talked about that.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Doesn't matter. The second thing is he's going at two miles an hour. And why that doesn't matter. Why that's important is because, for example, I just saw a video yesterday like Neo Nick Sauter, me and him came up together on X. But that being said, so like I like him, but that being said, there's a video of him literally going faster than that. Does that mean all the allies are in danger? They could have just murdered him. There's craziness. It's two miles an hour. There was no police life in danger. Your argument is his life is in danger.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no. There is someone in front of the car. If Nick Shirley's driving down the street, he's not endangering people on the street. Nick sort.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

He's in front of him. No. So my question to you is this.

[Phil Labonte]

But that's, that's also not a police officer.

[Tate Brown]

I'm just pointing out it's a false equivalent. We're talking about two different.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Okay, let me ask. So if for, because you said the cop's life was in danger, if there's in a civilian and his. There's one question. If there's a civilian whose life's in danger, are you allowed to shoot the person?

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

In defense. Depending on your argument. So based on your argument, when Nick Salto was driving his car, any of those left wing people could have shot him?

[Tate Brown]

No. Because those people were not conducting law enforcement operations.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No. But your argument isn't whether it's law enforcement. Your argument is whether it's self defense, whether Your life's in danger.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry.

[Tate Brown]

No.

[Tim Pool]

And I want to make this point as a graduate of the Dallas Citizens Police Academy, and this is true. You can look it up. But in law enforcement training, one of the main things that they teach them is to use your strength. That is one of the most important things, that when you're in a high tense situation, you do not overreact. Literally. That is part of the training. If I'm just looking at it, I would. I would assess that he overreacted a little bit. I mean, that. I mean, I know he got hit by a car, but it looked like he was still on his feet. If he would have got knocked off his feet, then I could have been like, oh, man, he really was worried. But he was never off his two feet. And as a matter of fact, he shot. I'm saying he had. He had enough of a stable ground. He shot her right in the head. And then when she died, he's saying.

[Phil Labonte]

He didn't know that she was dead then, first of all. Second of all, he just got hit by a car.

[Tim Pool]

Why not let them get aid? I know, but when. When a doctor comes, he didn't prevent.

[Phil Labonte]

Her from getting aid. That was other police. Other police officers.

[Tim Pool]

I know. Well, if somebody gets shot and you prevent them from getting aid, your job is to protect.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Okay?

[Phil Labonte]

So, no, what they were doing is they were protecting the crime scene because the police and fire, fire, fire authorities were there. The police had their own EMTs, and they were on their way down there. The people that are on the side of the road that are saying, I'm a doctor, you don't know that person. You don't know what they are. You don't know what they're doing. So you're. What you're saying is they should have allowed a bystander to go and contaminate a crime scene. You're not going to do that.

[Tim Pool]

The police will never do that, contaminate a crime scene. I mean, somebody's dying in a car. I think that you would try to do anything to save their lives.

[Phil Labonte]

But the point. The point is there were already EMTs on the way down the street, right? There were already EMTs on the scene. They would have the EMTs from the police department go down there and say, hey, look, we're going to take care of it. Because if you let someone else go down there, you actually contaminate crimes. And whether or not. Whether or not that is something that we like, that is policy with police, police departments nationwide.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

How far would the EMTs because none of us saw them.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know, I never saw them.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, doesn't change the fact that, doesn't change the fact that the police will have state officials go to a render aid as opposed to bystanders. Because you don't know if a violence bystander says oh I'm going to go down there and I'm going to help. You don't know that guy's an actual emt. You have no idea who this random person is.

[Tim Pool]

What about during the next pandemic? They say that you can't go to go play in your band because you're not vaccinated and then a ICE agent tries to prevent you from doing whatever you legally feel like you could do and then they shot you. Because this is the problem is that we say that in this instance because she's a libtard. Oh we can celebrate it, it's not a big deal. But very easily this could be turned against us that are either anti vax or anti government. So if you can't see, I'm not.

[Phil Labonte]

Coming, I'm not coming from John 6. I'm not coming from this from a political perspective because I'm a gun guy. I carry, I have a gun on me right now. Okay, I carry a gun. I've gone to multiple gun classes and the things that you go over in the classes generally are the legalities of what happens if you get into a self defense situation. And I'm telling you the policies of the police station or the police department or actually the feds in this case but because that is what they're going to go by, you can, we can we can pick it apart and say well he should of this or that person should have that or look at where her wheels were pointing, blah blah blah. None of that stuff actually matters when it comes to what the department, what the feds are going to say. That's why he hasn't been charged. He hasn't been charged. And this is one of the things that I said day one I was like he's not, he's not, no, but.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

He'S not going to. But when he's not charged that doesn't provide proof because the claim from the left is the reason he's not being charged because this was state supported a state.

[Phil Labonte]

So it doesn't matter what the claim from the left is because they're going to claim, they're going to claim that it was not. The government did everything wrong.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

But if it was the other way around, you guys, if lesser biden was in charge. You got to be like. Or Biden basically is allowing the murder of Republicans.

[Phil Labonte]

You can say you guys. But when Ashley Babbitt was killed, I wasn't one of the guys out there screaming about it.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

And the second point is, when you look at what he did, he shoots. Then allegedly the car hits him and then he shoots maybe two or three times more. So the three times total. Okay, so two times more. So it means like for example, his hit clearly wasn't bad enough that he still managed to shoot through the wind through the side mirror two more times.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I want to know about that. If he's got to explain every bullet I heard, pop, pop, pop, pop is what I heard. He shot her once, she drove and started to drive away and then he fired three more at her while she was driving away. Is that to protect? So she didn't pull out a gun and turn around and shoot at him? Is that why he finished?

[Tate Brown]

It was all within a sec. Like we're expecting superhuman level. Like the entire argument is like, look, we're not expecting perfection. Like of course every time there's gonna be a police involved shooting, it's not gonna be like this beautiful, perfect incident. Like these things are messy. The reality is when you accelerate towards a police officer, you need to like understand that they do have the right to return fire because you're using your, using your vehicle as a deadly weapon.

[Ian Crossland]

If a cop thinks you're coming at them and they shoot you and then you turn and run away and they shoot you three more times while you're running away, is that murder?

[Phil Labonte]

It all depends on what the situation.

[Tate Brown]

If it was like five seconds gone by, there could be a conversation. Again, we're talking about like in the space of a second.

[Phil Labonte]

This is all going to your exact point. If the police, if the police believe that you are going. If. So if you're running away with a gun, right, the police you off because.

[Ian Crossland]

They think you could turn. No, no, no, no.

[Phil Labonte]

Hold on, let me finish. If you're running away with a gun, the police can shoot you in the back because there is a reasonable fear that you are going to cause harm to someone else.

[Ian Crossland]

And that car is a 2,000 pound bullet.

[Phil Labonte]

Hold on, let me finish. If you don't have a gun, then the police cannot shoot you in the back. If you're running away, if you have a gun because the situation is will, is there a reasonable fear that you're going to harm someone else after the engagement?

[Ian Crossland]

So is someone driving a car away reasonable?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Is there A reasonable fee. It's going to even be. Come on.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think that's why the police.

[Phil Labonte]

The context I'm talking about with Ian is different from the one that we're talking about.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

With the gut, with the car. Wait, hold on, let me finish this. She didn't see the cop, didn't see a gun. He had no reason to think that a car driving away from him was going to cause immediate threat to anybody. So why did he fire those extra three shots like he already had decided he's going to kill her?

[Tate Brown]

A car that's being pursued by the police. That's why they have pit maneuvers. Because again, a car on the loose, you know, being pursued by police, that is going to be considered a threat against the public. And that's why the police have the authority to conduct pit maneuvers. So if you're going to say, well, he has zero right whatsoever, again, this is also in the space of a second. So this is a moot point anyway. But even in that instance, then you have to be against like pit maneuvers. I mean, these are.

[Ian Crossland]

These are things that police isn't shooting the driver in the head. That's different.

[Tate Brown]

It's still like, there's still a threat.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a non. It's a non lethal way to.

[Phil Labonte]

It's definitely.

[Ian Crossland]

Pit maneuver is absolutely intended to be non lethal. You're supposed to run their car off the road and arrest them with a pit maneuver. If you want to kill him, you could kill him.

[Tate Brown]

The pit maneuvers are done at like 60 miles per hour.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

The police are making the calculations will probably kill them or severely.

[Tim Pool]

The purpose, to your point, they actually make it in some states. It's not. You're actually not. Cops are not even legally allowed to chase people on motorcycles because they don't want the person to die on the motorcycle.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I know. I'm serious.

[Tim Pool]

Somebody. A serious felony crime. But they're on a motorcycle and they don't want to chase him. So that person dies. So why do they try to respect his life in that situation, but we don't respect Rene's good luck.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's more about. The point of these operations are about incapacitation. So you're trying to incapacitate the criminal in whatever manner that looks kill though.

[Tim Pool]

Right. You're supposed to do it in a non lethal way.

[Phil Labonte]

You need to do whatever you can.

[Tate Brown]

Do to incapacitate the criminal. Whether that's death, whether it's not. That's besides the point. The point is.

[Tim Pool]

Well, wouldn't you say that they should err on the side of non. Lethal.

[Phil Labonte]

No, because this is the shoot him in the leg argument that you're making. You can't. When. When you're using a gun in a defensive situation, you shoot to stop the threat. You don't shoot to.

[Tim Pool]

Well, then why didn't shoot your tire out?

[Ian Crossland]

That's.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, why didn't you shoot him in the leg?

[Tate Brown]

I mean, that would. Rambo level abilities of.

[Phil Labonte]

The point is, that is.

[Tim Pool]

Well, when you choose to be a cop, and I know no police officer trained to do that, but I don't think anybody's asking him to be superhuman. I just think that if you just look at it and I get it. There's. You know, you can. Everybody can watch the same clip and have a different interpretation of it. It's like if you're standing across the room from somebody and I draw a six, it's going to look like a nine to somebody else. So people can look at the same exact thing and have a totally different interpretation of it. But when it comes down to it, Tim Dillon did say it best. This is an ICE agent. This guy's like basically a fake cop. You know what I mean? He probably signed on for the $50,000 bonus. I don't know how much time he spent. How much time did he spend in the.

[Phil Labonte]

He deployed to Iraq. He was even worse.

[Tim Pool]

You got a guy with ptsd, okay.

[Phil Labonte]

Now you're just giving him ptsd.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's not true.

[Phil Labonte]

It is not true that every.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

As a military.

[Tim Pool]

Military vet on. What do they say?

[Phil Labonte]

I have.

[Tim Pool]

They're on disability. Again, every veteran is on disability. You can look it up. Over 90% of veterans, if you've been.

[Phil Labonte]

To Iraq, you have PTSD.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so he has PTSD.

[Phil Labonte]

No, I'm not saying that. I'm making a fun of you. No, I guarantee.

[Tim Pool]

Look it up. I'm just saying the majority of people that go serve in the military, they get disability for the rest of their life. Why do they say that? Because they say that they were near a bomb and they had ptsd. So that's even worse. So we're giving a guy a gun that probably was shot at that probably does have. And really it's something.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

He had additional PTSD because six months earlier, what he did was there was a criminal whose window he smashed. He was smashing the guy's window, and then the guy drove off and dragged him around the street. And he's got a lot of injuries, so he already added PTSD from that as well. And I think that's why he acted in a kind of insanity.

[Tate Brown]

So you're thinking this ICE agent is scared of a car driving at him? Because everybody's gonna get scared of a car driver.

[Phil Labonte]

Does he have PTSD and he was afraid, or was it not? So which one is it?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So he had ptsd. You shouldn't have been there. It was irrational to be fearful of a 2 mph car.

[Tate Brown]

Saying, this reminds me of that time I got hit by a car. I bet you're just admitting that he was.

[Tim Pool]

How about answer this question? If he was just totally justified, why didn't other ICE agents shoot at the car?

[Tate Brown]

Because he, he was the one that was there.

[Tim Pool]

So he's not allowed to mitigate the threat. So the other cop's not allowed to be.

[Tate Brown]

Because the whole argument.

[Tim Pool]

Another cop. Oh, so you're telling me another cop couldn't protect another cop. Is that what you're saying? That's illegal.

[Tate Brown]

I'm making the argument of.

[Tim Pool]

No, you're. No, what I'm saying is if you're a cop, you're supposed to enforce the law. So if you see another cop potentially getting hit by a car, you pull out your gun and you can shoot him. And he would be just as justified as the person that's getting hit by the car because he's a law enforcement agent. So if you're going to tell me that a cop can't prevent somebody, another.

[Phil Labonte]

Cop, from dying, that doesn't, that doesn't make sense. The guy that's in front of the car, that doesn't mean that he's not allowed to use force.

[Tim Pool]

I know, but I'm saying why didn't the other guy start shooting as well?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know, but. But just because the other guy didn't start shooting doesn't mean that the guy that's actually in front of the car doesn't have the right to use force.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, Suleiman, you said that the car is going to two miles an hour. I think it's important to realize the car was accelerating at the guy, so he didn't know how fast it was going to hit him at, and it was a couple of thousand pounds. And it's like if you flag a cop with your gun, you pull out a gun and you wave it past him, he's going to shoot and kill you. It's not. It doesn't matter. That's accelerating a car towards a cop is flagging them with a gun.

[Tim Pool]

But he wasn't.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

He wasn't accelerating towards the end.

[Tim Pool]

He fell down, though.

[Phil Labonte]

He was in front of the car.

[Tim Pool]

I know, but he. The car went so slow, it didn't even knock him off his feet.

[Phil Labonte]

I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to.

[Tim Pool]

He didn't even fall on the ground.

[Ian Crossland]

When you flag a cop, you didn't even shoot him with a bullet. You didn't intend to.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, but you got this one. She was just driving off and he actually came from the unsighted. Because he came from the right. It's highly likely she didn't even see him. That means she was.

[Tate Brown]

She was looking right at him in the video. If you look at the video. Oh, yeah, sorry.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

She was. Yeah, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And then when the first shot was fired, his tires were right.

[Tim Pool]

She didn't see her again.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

But she turned the. Sorry, I meant she turned the wheel.

[Tate Brown]

She was turning the wheel as the shot. But when the shot was fired.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, she turned it first.

[Tate Brown]

She turned it first when the first shot was fired. You can look in the video, the tires are pointed directly forward.

[Ian Crossland]

The cop, you see the wheels. The cop was looking at her.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What happens is skids. And then basically she turns it to the right. But the wheel, she's turn right from the beginning, top of the wheel. Not the. Getting the actual wheel, but the actual.

[Phil Labonte]

Getting into the granular. Things like where the wheels are pointed. Doesn't matter. He was in front of the car and he felt like she was going to hit him because the car was coming at him. That is what justifies a use of force. Like all of the other stuff, like all this, like, you know, why didn't this guy do this?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

And what happened for two miles an hour? Because then what you're saying is.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm going to. I'm going to say it again. He felt like he was in danger and so he used force. That's how the law is written.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

And then based on what you're saying. Right, because we have just already had this conversation. If one feel. If a normal civilian feels like they're in danger, he accepted you could also shoot. That means you're saying in Minnesota now, people like Nick Soto, when they're using their kind of same manner, they all could be shot, all the reports could be shot.

[Phil Labonte]

In a use of.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

In a use of.

[Phil Labonte]

Listen. No, in a use of force situation, the person that is defending themselves does make the decision as to if they believe they are in threat of death or serious bodily injured.

[Tate Brown]

Yes, because there's a difference between a mob surrounding a car and chucking stuff at it, trying to reach to the windows, break the windows. There's a difference between that and a actual law enforcement operation. Two completely different situations.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, but the situation is different. But the similarity of the same thing is where you believe that your life is in danger. That's the point. I'm honing, right.

[Tate Brown]

If you're standing in front of a car and Nick Sorter stomps on the accelerator, then yes, you should shoot him. But if you're with a mob attacking his car and then he accelerates, that's not a self defense situation.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

If there's more than two people engaged. So if there's more than one, but the police engage as well. But if there's more than one person in front of the car, then it's no longer your life's in threat.

[Tate Brown]

No. If you're in a mob attacking a guard.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you this question. Was Ashley Babbitt, was her death, was it justified?

[Tate Brown]

I don't, I. This is filled. I don't know. I don't know the intricacies of.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

It's a very good question, bro. Very good question.

[Tate Brown]

I was like a.

[Tim Pool]

This is my problem.

[Ian Crossland]

This is my problem.

[Tim Pool]

Smart enough to, to realize that what's happening with ICE can be done to you. It can happen to you. It doesn't matter if you're a libtard, doesn't matter if you're conservative. The government can do something wrong to you. So the government's not perfect. That ICE age is not perfect. And they can't when you don't drive your car. Standard as a law enforcement. Okay, but was Ashley Babbitt justified to be murdered?

[Phil Labonte]

So she was going into a place that she shouldn't be. The cop was actually justified in shooting.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, you're a piece of shit. I mean, there you go. I'm just saying.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

But listen, I'll give him credit. No, I give him credit. He's consistent.

[Tim Pool]

About. But I'll kill that, Kill that. Just shoot another girl shooting white women.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, do the dance and, and yell. And then. The point is, you asked me was the cop justified and by the standard of the law, yes. Do I think, do I think that she should have been? No, but yes, by the legal standard, Ashley Babbitt, it was a justified shooting. She didn't have a weapon. She wasn't doing something aggressively. So I don't think he should have. But it was justified. Just like in the situation with law enforcement in Minneapolis. Yeah, they were justified. I'm telling you, by the law. I think that the cop was right. So this is My opinion was right to shoot the woman in the car, but I don't think the cop was right to shoot Ashley Babbitt.

[Tim Pool]

Because you just said.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, let me finish. I said, by the. Not my opinion. I told you so.

[Tim Pool]

They're both legally justified.

[Ian Crossland]

Legally justified.

[Phil Labonte]

My opinion is different. I think that Ashley Babbitt was different because Ashley Babbitt, he couldn't see if she had any weapons in on her, and she did not. Okay, so the car is a weapon.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

People. There was in Jan.6, there was people who were aggressive to remember they were on walkie talkies. For example, one guy who I had a debate with, Jake Lang, literally had a baseball bat and he was smashing people. By that standard, that means. Would you think it. I would say he's probably got more of a chance of believing these guys.

[Phil Labonte]

By that standard.

[Ian Crossland]

By that.

[Phil Labonte]

No. By that standard, it would be justified if that was actually your standard. And I'm not saying that this is the standard that we should go by or. Let me finish.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Let me finish.

[Phil Labonte]

By that standard, it would be justified to mow all the people down with a machine gun that were in the hallway. And no, no, that's not because, again, Ashley Babbitt was trying to go through the window. She put her head through. Now, she may not have been trying to climb through or whatever, maybe she.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Was climbing through, but she put her.

[Phil Labonte]

Head through the window into a secured area. That's why legally. Not my opinion, how legally it was.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

How was the window smashed?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

The window smashed. Then you're thinking, window smashed up. Someone comes through. Like I'm saying, if you be consistent, which you are, you. You're basically legally, they were justified. But I don't send them the kind.

[Phil Labonte]

Of opinion, because my opinion is because you couldn't see if she had a weapon in her hand.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

And just for then that's according to your opinion of the first one, that would be good enough to be a threat that you don't know, like the mob's attacking you, the windows. She comes through, she might have a weapon on her.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, because she. If you can't has a weapon, the one in Minnesota, the car is the weapon. So she obviously has a weapon. She's behind the wheel of a car. She's in control of the weapon. The one with. When it comes to Ashley Babbitt, she's only putting her head through and he shoots her in the neck. So you can't see if she has anything in her hands or if she has a weapon. So that's the difference.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So your position is if, If. If a mob is attacking you or one person from a mob attacks you, then you can only shoot if you see a weapon.

[Phil Labonte]

If they're attacking you, you can shoot to defend yourself, but they're attacking you. That's the difference.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Well, that's what the police thought, didn't he. That's why he shot.

[Phil Labonte]

He was.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

He.

[Phil Labonte]

There was standoff distance. He didn't know that she was attacking anyway. I don't want to. I don't want to sit there and pick apart the Ashley Babbitt thing. That's pointless. That's like, this is justified in not.

[Tate Brown]

Having a position because it happened like four years ago, and then we're comparing it to something that happened last year.

[Tim Pool]

You have opinions on stuff that is much older than four years.

[Tate Brown]

I know, but this is a specific shooting from four years. I was like a freshman.

[Tim Pool]

Freshman.

[Tate Brown]

And I don't. I wasn't there. I'm sure if I was.

[Tim Pool]

None of us politically active. None of us.

[Tate Brown]

I'm sure if I was politically active at the time, I would have, like, a hot take on it.

[Tim Pool]

But you say you have an opinion on it because you're young when that happened.

[Tate Brown]

I just think, oh, let's. I mean, if he had leave.

[Tim Pool]

Do you have an opinion on the Holocaust? Yeah, I do.

[Tate Brown]

I have some very hot.

[Tim Pool]

You weren't alive there, and you got some hot takes on there. So, I mean, it's just like, let's not act naive tape because you want to try to. Oh, you have to pretend to be MAGA or else you're going to get in trouble. It's like you can actually just say how you feel. You don't have to worry about anything. You can try to be.

[Tate Brown]

I legitimately don't know anything about the Ashley Babbitt case.

[Tim Pool]

Is this no opinion whatsoever?

[Tate Brown]

I. I mean, I kind of take Phil's position. If it's like if he had a legal use of force and he had legal use of force, I mean, what are you gonna do about it?

[Tim Pool]

I guess what it comes down to is I'm just worried the government overstepping how much power they have.

[Tate Brown]

I get that.

[Phil Labonte]

That's your. What you're worried about. I have good news for you. They're gonna. They've got all the guns.

[Tim Pool]

I know that's why. That's why the Second Amendment is so important. But I just, you know, I guess when it comes to this incident, I do think that he Was probably justified in shooting one time. Then he shot four times and then after. And he calls her a fucking bitch. I thought that's a little unnecessary. It shows that he was actually very angry and that you guys say he got hit by this dangerous car. He never even fell on the ground. So people getting punched in the face get hit harder.

[Tate Brown]

You can see his feet skid back because it's on ice.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but he didn't even lose his balance. He never lost his balance. So he. So he got hit so hard that it didn't even knock.

[Tate Brown]

There's this like a very. Like almost the exact same situation happened in Baltimore like three months ago. And the lady got completely crushed by the wheel. Cuz there was.

[Tim Pool]

But I'm saying he didn't. I know, but he did not get.

[Tate Brown]

Because he didn't know if he was going to have.

[Tim Pool]

He barely got dinked and then was able to scoot around, get in a shooting stance and blow the girl's brains out between her eyes.

[Tate Brown]

He did with like one hand and his feet were.

[Tim Pool]

And he was holding a cell phone at the same time. So he was. Listen, he had a cell phone in one hand, a gun in the other. He's. He's getting hit by a car that's going so fast that he didn't get knocked.

[Tate Brown]

He supposed to hit a tire then?

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm saying he's probably shouldn't have shot.

[Tate Brown]

We're expecting like James. James Bond levels of maneuvering from this guy.

[Phil Labonte]

They're just running interference.

[Tim Pool]

Interference now for libtards. Because I don't think a guy that didn't get knocked on his feet shouldn't have blown some lesbian's head off. I mean, give me a freaking break.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Who's got three children.

[Tim Pool]

I'm anti violence. Like I'm not one of these people that ever gonna cheer for somebody dying. I think dying is bad. I think when people kill people. I agree.

[Tate Brown]

It's a tragedy.

[Tim Pool]

That's.

[Tate Brown]

I've never once. Like I've never really.

[Tim Pool]

A lot of people are A lot of people.

[Tate Brown]

I'm not here to defend those people. I'm just here to say like we shouldn't just throw this guy in jail for self defense.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't say this should be an independent.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Independent inquiry. That's the thing. There should be an independent FA inquiry.

[Tate Brown]

They'll. I mean they, they'll find the same thing. It's a. Like literally.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

But that's fine. But right now it looks like state sanctioned murder.

[Phil Labonte]

No, it's not.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I mean, you believe that, but that's what it looks like.

[Tim Pool]

I just, I'm just worried because there's going to be another pandemic. There's going to be another time that they lock us down where we disagree.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

This is definitely going to happen.

[Tim Pool]

And maybe it's not an ICE agent, but it could be a Department of Homeland Security, it could be a martial law in our own city. And I don't want to live in a city.

[Tate Brown]

Do you think the left, like they, the way that they use force is dependent on what the right used?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, but I'm saying, of course it's escalation. It's escalation.

[Phil Labonte]

It's not actually. I actually wrote this down to your point earlier, and I wanted to get back to this. You mentioned how they were, how they were carrying this out. Right. And it was, it was because of Donald Trump and, and J.D. vance were escalating that escalation. What brought, brought it back to my mind. So that was one of the first things you said. If that were the case, then why is the, like, cities like Memphis and New Orleans who have police forces that work with the administration have no riots like this. Right. So the police force doesn't inhibit the federal government from doing its job. They don't have the, the mayor and the governor getting out saying we need to be out there and resist and blah, blah, blah. It would be my opinion that the reason that this is happening is because the governments in the states and the cities are not helping the federal government because they're sanctuary cities. That, I mean, that's illegal in the first place. There is no right for a city to be a sanctuary city and to ignore federal law. They're supposed to help. So if your point actually held water, then Memphis and New Orleans and other cities that have had ICE go in and help and remove illegals, those places wouldn't have had smooth operations that you didn't hear about on the news.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So actually, what you said actually adds to the argument that this is a possibility. Because in reality, if you've got the mayor who's against you, you've got people in authority who's against you, you've got waltz against you, you've basically got a standoff between the two. And then it does become a politicized situation. Now it's just become left v Right. There's a battle. Everyone's going out on the left and protesting. Everyone's going on the right. No one sees anything.

[Phil Labonte]

No one's going out on the right and protesting.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

You've got reporters, you've got Nick Sarl and a few other.

[Phil Labonte]

So they're opinion journalists, but they're not out there protesting.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, but they're escal situation is what I'm trying to say. So in reality, when I say the other side, you've got ICE and these reporters in the situation. And so in reality. And the reason they want that is because of the separation. They want people.

[Phil Labonte]

This doesn't, this does not have to be political. There have been.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Phil Labonte]

This, listen, no, this is not political. This does not have. This does not have to be political because there was a time in the United States where the entire country agreed that we didn't allow illegal aliens to just come and stay in the country.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

And I'm not murdering people. Everyone agrees about the illegal.

[Phil Labonte]

No, everyone doesn't agree.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Everyone here agrees with about the point.

[Phil Labonte]

That are saying like no abolished ice.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, that's fine. There are people abolish ice. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying this issue isn't solely about immigration. The larger issue is that they believe on the left. I know you were on. You guys are on the right, but they believe that this is state sanctioned murder. So you need to get out your kind of MAGA box and see what the others.

[Phil Labonte]

But it doesn't matter why this is EAs. They're just going to say that no matter what. Look, they, they called Donald Trump. No, they were calling Donald Trump a Nazi before he did anything. George Bush was a Nazi. Mitt Romney. They called a Nazi. The most vanilla conservative you can ever.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Anyone who disagrees with you is a commie on the left. Like everyone does that. You're both.

[Phil Labonte]

Listen, deflecting from the point doesn't change.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Demonstrating that you do the same thing.

[Phil Labonte]

No, it's not. It's not the same thing at all. Because the left has been. Like I said, the left called Mitt Romney the most vanilla politician in America. The most inoffensive conservative there is. They called him a Nazi when he was running. They called John.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

You guys called him a leftist.

[Phil Labonte]

They called John McCain. They called John McCain a Nazi. And then when Donald Trump came on the scene, they were like, oh, we love John McCain. They don't believe the things that they said.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

You guys literally do the same thing. For example, you guys call mom Dani an Islamist when he believes in LGBTQ and all these kind of leftist liberal woke things.

[Tate Brown]

Correction. I called Mamdani Brown. That's much different.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, that's you.

[Ian Crossland]

But I heard people call Mamdani, a communist. It's pretty discouraging.

[Phil Labonte]

If someone is a member of the dsa. Is it? If someone is a member of the dsa, is it out of bounds to call them a communist? Democrat Socialists of America.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

They're not. They're not communists.

[Tate Brown]

No.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Socialism is different to communism.

[Phil Labonte]

Only because the goal of socialism is communist.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, it's not.

[Phil Labonte]

You couldn't even said that. What are you talking about? What Lenin said. Vladimir Lenin said the goal of socialism is communism.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, that's.

[Ian Crossland]

Lenin doesn't speak for socialism. That was his idea.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, that was his own position. And you've got different forms of communism as well. But the point being, socialism is a very different structure.

[Phil Labonte]

That's like saying that Hitler doesn't speak for Nazism. If Hitler said something, it's okay to say. No, it's not.

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No, it's not.

[Phil Labonte]

No, it's not. Because if Hitler said something, it is reasonable to say. Say the Nazis say. Right. And if someone says, I'm a National Socialist, it's reasonable to say, well, you're a Nazi. Right.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

That's reasonable. One of my friends, like Jackson Hinkle, are part of the act. The American Jackson Hinkle, that's communism. But socialism. Yeah, he's a legend.

[Ian Crossland]

He's great.

[Phil Labonte]

He's not a legend.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, he is.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I like him.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Future president. Future president.

[Tate Brown]

Jackson Hinkle.

[Ian Crossland]

Future. Future.

[Tate Brown]

He doesn't get bombed in Yemen.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

If the Z let him in. There'll be Fuentes in a future presidential. But anyway, that's a communist American Communist Party. Not like a dsm.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to talk about communism. What do you think is going to happen in the midterms, though? Do you think that it's going to go the Republicans way, or do you think it's going to go.

[Tate Brown]

I think the Democrats will probably get the edge.

[Tim Pool]

I think they'll get the House and the Senate.

[Tate Brown]

I think they'll get the House. I think the Republicans will hold the Senate.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Just based on. Because we. Like. Polling is actually pretty accurate, despite what the. A lot of people in the audience believe is like. No, actually, like, polling overcomes vibes.

[Tim Pool]

Like, we think it's just a guarantee that J.D. vance is going to be the next president. But what happens if we get a.

[Phil Labonte]

What happens in aoc?

[Tate Brown]

It'd be bad. It'd be bad either way. I don't think, like, I don't think they're going for retribution. I think they're going for total victory. And so I don't think it Matters what we do, they're going to enact the same policies no matter what.

[Tim Pool]

No, but I'm saying when the people that we don't like are in power, they can use the federal government to come after us like they did during the pandemic or like they did on January 6th. And that's I guess what I'm saying. It's not that I'm against Renee Goode or for Renee Goode or against the cop or for the cop. I can just see that this being used against us on the other side and I can see how they flip the script. So that's why when we cheer this on, we're cheering on our own demise.

[Tate Brown]

Well, no, they're going to use power anyway because they want to win and they want it more than we do.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, but they use escalation. They'll use escalation. So when you guys are insulating anyway, when you guys are supporting state sanctioned murder, they're going to be like, okay, we can do worse than that.

[Phil Labonte]

It doesn't matter what the left says because they're going to say the most extreme thing about the conservatives anyways. If your argument is we should not exercise power because the left is going to exercise power, you have to get past that because they're going to exercise power regardless. I'm not.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

My position is neither the left or the right should be exercising dystopian power because when that happens, you lose your right.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's not about dystopian power.

[Ian Crossland]

The first thing I thought was if a cop puts his hand on my. My hood of my car and I touch my gas pedal, he has a right to shoot me. And everyone's like, yep. I'm like, well, that's crazy.

[Tate Brown]

Why would you do that in five years?

[Ian Crossland]

I'm driving down the road and a guy walks out on the street and he puts hand on my car, he's like, this is an official zone. We're studying a crime. I'm like, who are you? He's like, don't move your car. And I'm like, show me a bag. He's like, don't move your car. Now I can't touch my context.

[Phil Labonte]

You're changing the context so much where it's not escalation.

[Ian Crossland]

This is a contingent possibility of escalation.

[Phil Labonte]

No random dudes walking out in the.

[Ian Crossland]

Middle of the road with their ar.

[Phil Labonte]

Ian, Ian. It's not random dudes. Those guys were clearly identified as ice.

[Ian Crossland]

As a new form of military branch or some heavily militarized form of branch.

[Phil Labonte]

You Keep changing the context. You're changing the context. They. They. She knew they were. First of all, she knew they were.

[Ian Crossland]

I.

[Phil Labonte]

Second of all, if they're. If. If there's a, A police officer that has says police or says ICE on and they all wear very clear identification that says they're ICE like this.

[Ian Crossland]

So if I do watch that with some very clear badge.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

She's an American citizen, so she's probably thinking ICE probably doesn't have any authority.

[Phil Labonte]

They said. Well, I don't know what she says.

[Tate Brown]

Like Gestapo.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Exactly.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

It doesn't matter what.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

She's American citizens. She's probably thinking as an American citizen, she can do that. But they're going after.

[Tate Brown]

No, no, no. She thinks ICE are literally like a gestapo going around. Like, like, like there's some sort of.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Like, Nazi death squad against illegal.

[Tate Brown]

No, against everyone. That's the messaging that they get.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Well, now it is because you murdered an American citizen.

[Tate Brown]

No, they trust me. They believe that ICE are these just like loose cannons and they're these crazy Trump death squad mega Megatrons or whatever. Should be kind of based against illegals.

[Phil Labonte]

But to your point, Ian, like, you can't change the context of what happened. If there's someone that doesn't have anything. Any identifying markers and they come out and put your. Their hand on your car and you speed away, no one is going to say you did anything wrong because they don't have any identify.

[Ian Crossland]

Shirt says police on it.

[Phil Labonte]

If the shirt says police. Like, if it just says. What do you mean? Is it like an official.

[Ian Crossland]

What do I mean? What if they have a badge and a shirt that says police on it or whatever? What if they identify. They look like a cop.

[Phil Labonte]

If they're dressed like a police officer, you should probably do what they're.

[Tim Pool]

What they're saying are cop impersonators at people. Like, just people over that have fake cop stuff.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

What if it's a local militia? Man, like, think five years in the future of what you know you get.

[Tate Brown]

Because we're not. We're not dealing with hypotheticals. We're dealing driving car. It's already like, okay, what if, you know, what if they, like, develop laser guns and then, like, start evaporating illegals? It's like, oh, I mean, bass one, but two.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, it wouldn't be base. Like, what, to evaporate illegals. This is what I mean. You right, Wings?

[Phil Labonte]

No, we're making a. We're making a joke. We're making fun of the. We're making fun of it.

[Ian Crossland]

So I Mean, you said that at the top of the show, you said that this operation, this whole removing the illegal. You agreed that. That illegal immigration wasn't good. I think you ask for the work, of course, we need to either stop trying to get rid of them or do it harshly.

[Phil Labonte]

What was the word you used?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Harshly? I used the tough measures. Cause what's happened at the moment is what they've done is they've fermented. They've allowed this incident to occur. Now, he may or not bring the National Guard in, then he'll bring it in, and then things will escalate. And what's happened is that you've allowed this major escalation to occur by doing it so slowly, in a very small escalation manner. Like a little bit and a little bit and a little bit. I think the way he should have dealt with it, saying, look, I'm targeting this city. I'm going in harsh. All these people are gonna go in. ICE and National Guard, whoever it is, will find all the illegal immigrants, will bring them in, and will be very tough. That people can't go there and protest. You can't have this escalation that occurs. And you just go into the city and you completely sort that issue out. You know, this escalation factor is that what happens is things ferment. And when things ferment, they become worse, worse, worse, worse. And now you lose control. And then it's like, for example, you know how a father ends up hitting the kid because the kid's not listening. But you already got in that situation. Cause you didn't put the rules and requirements in first. You weren't tough in the.

[Ian Crossland]

So when you say harsh, like, when I think harsh, I mean, are you talking about martial law?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

It's a very good question. Not martial law. No, but what I mean is you would basically. Let's just take one city example. You'd go to. Into, let's say, Florida. There'll be a specific area in Florida, wherever the area that there's a lot of illegal immigrants. I don't know what it is. And then you'd basically send in ICE and the National Guard immediately, go in, find everyone, do the operation in a very small period of time. You don't even have time to get the protests and the gatherings done. You completely sort the whole issue out.

[Tate Brown]

In a very, very systematic escalation. Much more than just expecting local authorities to collaborate with the federal government. I said that would contribute to, like, a much higher degree of escalation than if we just expect these Local authorities to collaborate with the federal government.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, I think I see what you're saying, but it's just that fermenting part, isn't it? Because, like, what's happened now is what I predicted. But what was this escalation that was going to occur now? The protest. Now what you'll see is even more protests are going to be coming, even more people, and now Trump's gonna send in the National Guard, then they'll send more protesters, then Trump might do the Insurrection Act. It's gonna be.

[Tate Brown]

That's just essentially what's the impetus on the federal government to disengage when it's the local authorities that are not collaborating with the federal government, not collaborating with the law. That, again, the president is sort of trying to enact here.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Do you mean engage or disengage?

[Tate Brown]

Well, I'm saying why is the impetus on the right and the President, Trump and the executive.

[Tim Pool]

Some states believe they have state rights, the same reason why the federal government has marijuana as illegal, but in some places illegal. So sometimes the state.

[Phil Labonte]

There's nowhere where it's legal for illegals to come in.

[Tate Brown]

We're trying to conduct a federal operation. So why is the impetus on us to disengage?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Oh, no, I didn't say disengage. I said the opposite.

[Tate Brown]

I know, I agree with you. I think Trump should go way harder. I'm just saying if the goal is to mitigate escalation. No, no, I fear that situation.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I get you said so. If you're talking about this specific shooting of Renee Goode, I'm saying that was handled really badly because you had the Vice president, the President, United States come in and basically in support of the guy, without investigation, what would have been sm, basically management, which is what the president is, is basically to say, look, we're going to look into it. This is the information we've got. There's going to be an independent inquiry. Then the left acting mental would have actually made them look mental right now, no matter what you say, because you guys are in your kind of like right wing echo chamber. Both sides, the left do think this is state sanctioned murder. And you guys are like, yeah, she got murdered because she was going to murder him with a weapon. So whatever it may be, this is major escalation.

[Tim Pool]

I want to make point there real quick. I just want to make this point. So. So when it came down to this specific thing, I don't think this, you know, Renee Good's death was planned, but the people that are really in power, whether you want to call it the deep State. They knew there's been, there's been multiple deaths now in Portland, two people died. I think there was another person that got choked to death. They knew when they put the federal government, they put ICE in these cities that there was going to be something that happens like a George Floyd esque situation. They love that this is happening. They love that we're fighting about it. It especially after Charlie's death where all the left cheer that on and now you have all these right leaning people cheering on her. Renee Goode's death, it just shows a hypocrisy in the situation. And this is all done on purpose in order to divide us. And if we can't see that and I would say have just kind of a. I mean you don't want to admit it, but I'm saying I guess have a neutral take on this, then you're just kind of feeding into the propaganda that.

[Tate Brown]

My question would be, why would the deep state be in favor of immigration?

[Tim Pool]

Because they want more federal government to control. They want more isa.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

They want to put Palantir in place.

[Tim Pool]

They want to control you.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

They want to put a social credit system.

[Tate Brown]

For the last 60 years, every deep state sort of incentive structure has been put behind mass migration.

[Tim Pool]

Well, of course, exactly. In order to. In order to divide us and to make our country have, you know, I guess agreed. No, you know, whatever you want to.

[Tate Brown]

Call it, like the more diverse society gets, it's actually easier for ruling powers. It's like a homogenous society is actually.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Well, it's about anarchy. It's causing anarchy in the country. It's causing chaos. And therefore what this does is ferments that then you have basically the these. I know, you know, you think it's whatever but then you have these extra like Palantir. You have these other situation things where people are being tracked, people are being checked. Then you have social credit score for your safety. When things get worse, what happens is you manufacture. You know how corvid everyone it got manufactured consent. People. When someone tells you, someone on the left and someone on the right, guess what, you're going to be murdered. Like the best way to feed people not to die on the streets is to allow them to do this. Hold on a second.

[Phil Labonte]

You guys remember Jordan Peterson, right? Everybody knows Jordan Peterson. Yes.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

One of the things that he. One of the points that he made. Enough. One of the things that he said was like, hey, you know, people have inherent opinions, right? Like they're really based on their Their personality. I, I definitely do. I like, I'm, I've always been, I've always been pretty right wing. Even when I was a libertarian, I was a right wing libertarian.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

And so the idea that there needs to be this, this top down division, I think that's totally wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

Wrong.

[Phil Labonte]

Even in the French Revolution.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, because.

[Phil Labonte]

No, because. No.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me, let me, let.

[Phil Labonte]

Me, let me finish, let me finish. You guys. Major point. Let me finish. The point that I'm making is people are inherently right wing or left wing generally. Like people do have a certain. You don't think that people disagree?

[Tim Pool]

I would say that we're more absolutely populous country. Yeah, I don't think so. People are in the middle. The average person would probably be so in the middle.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So person, if they weren't manipulated by group would have a mixed.

[Tate Brown]

Me?

[Phil Labonte]

No, I don't, I don't think so at all. I think that there are people because you look, you go and look back at the French Revolution, right? The people very easily split between the people that wanted revolutionary change, which are like the Jacobins and the people on the left and the people that said no, we need to stick with tradition. There are people that just have these kind of opinions and, and.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, hold on. Like, what's this doing? I'm starving. Let's.

[Phil Labonte]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's totally different.

[Phil Labonte]

Hold on.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Were pe.

[Phil Labonte]

There were peasants that did side with the left and there were peasants that sided with the right.

[Tim Pool]

Peasants.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean it was just, it was a long time ago. Listen, listen, I'm not saying that there aren't people that benefit from the, the division in the US and there are people that will foment it because they want to see certain ends.

[Tim Pool]

But I'm.

[Phil Labonte]

But the idea that it's. If, if it wasn't for like the people above kind of pulling the strings that we wouldn't have division. I totally disagree. Particularly when you have a country like ours that is so. That is basically multicultural nowadays.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no, you work at division for sure. But I would say that our tribes do get along. That it's not.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't. I disagree, I disagree.

[Tate Brown]

Definitely not true.

[Phil Labonte]

I disagree.

[Tim Pool]

You can't even be friends with like a leftist.

[Phil Labonte]

It's not about being friends.

[Tate Brown]

It's not friends. But we're talking about like national level cultural cohesion is just not possible everywhere you look on planet Earth. Like multicultural, diverse societies are dysfunctional. Singapore is like maybe the only exception.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So it's not impossible to have a Cohesion.

[Tate Brown]

Well, Singapore requires like extreme authoritarianism which you've said you're against.

[Tim Pool]

I am against it, but I'm just saying I just think that what is being done is a coordinated attack on us so that we're fighting each other so that we don't actually solve our problems. When you see our government, we have a unit party, what was it, 45 senators just voted to give 300 million to planned Parenthood. But they call themselves, themselves conservative and they want to, you know, go kill babies and give you these left wing organizations. It's all a lie on that. Well, I'm saying these politicians, it's all fake. I know. I'm just telling you it's a uni party and we get the impression that it's right wing versus left wing macho man Randy Savage versus Hulk Hogan and it's all that's on the same team because they're going to the locker room at the end of the day and they're having a beer together and they're laughing because they get all the money. And that's why Elaine Omar goes into office, has a hundred thousand dollars in her bank account and now she's got $30 million. I think why Dan Crenshaw has become rich being a politician. These people do not what a right.

[Tate Brown]

Wing populist and a left wing populist. What overlapping goals would they even have?

[Tim Pool]

I think a lot of goals other than I think most of goals they would be.

[Tate Brown]

They would besides like vague like eat the rich or get a job that's.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Not big, that's huge.

[Tim Pool]

So you don't think we have an affordability crisis that that affects those huge.

[Tate Brown]

Right, yes.

[Phil Labonte]

That he was talking about earlier in the French Revolution. Those were the ones that were saying eat the rich. The idea of eat the rich will destroy would destroy the country.

[Tate Brown]

Well, and what I'm saying is okay.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

That'S what the rich want you to say.

[Tate Brown]

But the reason I say they're vague is because the times that vague goals overlap. They have two completely different ideas policies that they're proposing to achieve that really.

[Tim Pool]

Other than trans and abortion. A lot of leftists and you know, right leaning people actually agree on a lot of stuff.

[Tate Brown]

These are not the only two divisions. They have fundamentally different world worldviews.

[Tim Pool]

Also anti war gay stuff.

[Tate Brown]

People on the left wing view people as blank slates and then people on the right view people as part of larger hierarchy. This is like the foundations of political.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if I agree with that.

[Tate Brown]

People on the left are typically not Religious. People on the right are typically religious.

[Tim Pool]

Well there are people on the right that aren't religious but I know there's.

[Tate Brown]

Exceptions but they don't disprove the norm.

[Ian Crossland]

I think.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't even know if the majority are. I don't even know what the majority breakdown is. But if you do look at like you know we talk about Israel a lot. You know, know they were all left leaning and then now that the conservatives support Israel and now they've all become conservative. Can't you. Didn't that seem kind of weird like they obviously didn't have a political party if they donated to all these left leaning places. And then now Donald Trump is you know, sympathetic to their support of Israel. Now they're all becoming conservatives.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

You don't think that people like people from Silicon Valley. Bill Ackman, Elon Musk, he's talking about those.

[Tim Pool]

Did you see how they can flip flop? So it's all right. I mean you can be a leftist one day and the next day you can donate $20 million to Trump's.

[Tate Brown]

Because they have one issue.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Tate Brown]

But that's separate from like.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Well they don't have one issue like Elon Musk. It's not just the Israel issue. He's got the like H1B.

[Tate Brown]

Elon Musk and Bill Ackman have two completely different like end goals.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

True. So I'm talking about Elon Musk and Silicon Valley. Their issues are basically cheap labor even within.

[Tate Brown]

Well to a degree. Yeah.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Israel basically Zionist control of the United States of America. Implanting, implanting like this tech into. Into the country making sure AI and they have the basically control over what happens with AI. AI is the future. That's very important. And having control of the data centers. Hence why Greenland all these things can be issued. So they're moving.

[Phil Labonte]

Greenland's geopolitical not about. Not about AI.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

It is about AI.

[Phil Labonte]

It's about, it's about the trade routes that are opening up.

[Tate Brown]

So do you think Venezuela is a part of the Silicon Valley cabal that's running?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So Venezuela I think is first of.

[Phil Labonte]

All, I think is Sorry, Zionists is.

[Tim Pool]

Zionist even all the people went on there and said oh this is so good because Iran won't have oil, Russia won't have oil. I mean, I mean you can't see that China won't have oil. That's why we went there so that we can our adversaries political move. Yeah, I know. To punish our adversaries. That's how we're going inside.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I don't think it is. China's still going to get this. China's still getting the same amount oil. They're getting the same amount of deal. What the reason for that was Iran might not.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry, Iran might be getting less.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, those deals are still in place. Iran exports oil. But the point is.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry, go ahead. Well, I'm just saying it does. What happens in Venezuela does affect Iran because they have oil prices, I'm saying, and they have Hezbollah there.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So, you know, it won't even drop.

[Tate Brown]

Oil because we just, we're dumping oil on the market now. Very cheap oil.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, but the point is they can't dump it because what's going to happen is they've got a large reserve of oil. But to be able to penetrate into that oil and use it is going to take a long time. That's why a lot like now it's.

[Tim Pool]

Funny you said it because in California oil and gas is still expensive as that's California. Why is it cheaper in Texas?

[Phil Labonte]

And because California has their own regulations.

[Tim Pool]

A bunch of bullshit regulations that make it more expensive. Like, you know, that's a whole different thing.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

But let's put aside Paul Singer. Probably he's going to get quite a lot of the Venezuelan. But yeah, I think there's a. Multiple factors when it comes to Venezuela.

[Tate Brown]

I think it's primarily a geopolitical play. I mean.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What is that?

[Tate Brown]

I said it's primarily a geopolitical.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean that's, that's. But I mean that's the long and short of it, right? It's good, it's good in multiple ways.

[Tate Brown]

For the United States it's like. Yeah, that's.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Well, I don't think, I don't think it's good to steal someone's oil personally.

[Ian Crossland]

You get the Panama Canal too. I mean they sort of started it.

[Tate Brown]

When they again nationalized all of the oil that they nationalized deals with these. Again, private American enterprise had cut deals with these different Venezuelan organizations to.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So the US goes to war with countries for private companies. Sounds a bit commie to me.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah, Of course we're going to protect American property.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Sound like pirates, man.

[Tate Brown]

We're going to protect American property.

[Tim Pool]

Real quick. To your point though, these multinational corporations, Exxon doesn't just operate. So you call it an American company. Yeah, a lot of that money goes to Americans, but it doesn't just go to Americans. It actually goes to other countries benefit.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

From the way it doesn't go to no American working class people.

[Tim Pool]

Let's be honest with the Apple iPhone. The Apple iPhone is made in Shandong, China, where the conditions are so bad for the workers, they have suicide nets. And the reason they do that is to save money. So these corporations don't care about us. They actually care about their bottom line more than killing their own employees. So I do think it's a problem when we have a country that's being run by multinational corporations. And I think it is obvious that that happens when these politicians are all getting. Getting funded by, whether it be aipac or even these oil and gas industries, or the farming industry, whatever industry it is, they can buy these politicians for pennies on the dollar. So I just don't like multinational corporations encouraging us to go start wars on their behalf. And if you say that doesn't happen, I just think you're being.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Well, that's the difference between America and China. In America, multinational corporations and companies run the country. With China is the other way around. It's the country that runs the corporations. But they're very similar models.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's corporatocracy is what we're in right now. And then the Chinese have a communist state where the corporation owns 51. They're both dangerous because the corporations can become governments of their own.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

They basically are now.

[Ian Crossland]

It's very dangerous. They can hire standing armies.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

They literally went to Venezuela. That's just probably.

[Tate Brown]

So that's why it's vital to identify, okay, what policies specifically would undercut, you know, this MNE network, so to speak. That's obviously. Yeah, that is true. That they do have a lot of influence in Washington and probably a plurality of influence control. So. So the question is, okay, what policies that the Trump administration is pursuing that would undercut the goals, again, of multinational corporations, et cetera, these varied interests. And again, mass deportations is something that is absolutely petrifying to multinational.

[Tim Pool]

I would argue that legal immigration is almost worse than the illegal immigration. The fact that you have H1B visas, these people, and they look this up, Indians and people are gonna fact check me. Are more likely to lie on a college acceptance application or a work application you even had. Mindy Kaling's brother is famous for saying that on a medical school application, he put that he was black. So we actually have a system that all these college kids, you're a young college age guy, you go and you spend $100,000 on a college degree, and you get your job stolen by an Indian guy that lied on his resume. Because these companies put in legislation that benefits them, that lets them hire them to get tax breaks. So that's bullshit. And that is being done by multinational corporations. And you know what? Trump's not. I don't know if he stopped that. I think he gave 300,000 visas to more Chinese people. So I would just like it if we actually had a government that cared about American citizens. Or maybe the affordability crisis that you say is, oh, right, right leaning people and left leaning people have, you know, not the same problems. I would argue that most of our problems are very similar.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yes, true.

[Tate Brown]

Again, if that were the case, people that are on the left that again, if they are truly prioritizing kitchen table issues, they would be all in favor of mass deportations. But the problem is they have another, they have another guiding North Star, which is ultimately they have self hatred and they're totally okay with like again, eradicating the cultural foundation of the United States.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

That's not what it is. So what it is is the people on the left have been. People have taken control of them and what's happened is they care more about liberal woke issues rather than real left wing issues. So you're right. If you were a real left wing person, you would support deportations. You would also support the tariffs. Not the way Trump did it, because he did it in a full on mental, made no sense way which destroyed small businesses. But if he did proper tariffs, they should be supporting it. The reason they don't support it is A, because they're anti Trump and B, because they don't know what left wing is. They think left wing is actually being liberal and woke. But that being said, you have the same thing on the right. Like on the right, they'll only support policies if Trump tells them so. A lot of people on the right were like, oh, why are you somewhat. I know it was 50 50, but even on the H1B visa, a lot of them were supporting Trump when in reality that was harming working class Americans. So this is the problem you have. When people fall as part of a group, they'll just follow the group irrespective of what the actual political ideology of that group is.

[Tate Brown]

I would think. Yeah, expanding H1B is like that entire system should just be completely gutted. But the Trump administration has, in the year of 2025, like the data has come out, we are at net negative migrations. So again, more foreigners have left the country than I have arrived. That has never, hasn't happened in 60 years. So really since the Hart Cellar act passed, which was really a nuclear bomb in the United States in many ways, we have not been able to achieve net negative migration. So it's like, no, I'm going to give their flowers.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

How many deportations has he done?

[Tate Brown]

I think right now it's around like 600 to 700,000. And then like acceptable one and a half million. One and a half million self deportations.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Allegedly.

[Tate Brown]

Well, again, if we're at net negative migration, I'm going to. To look, this is. The problem is.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, I'm genuinely asking you as someone who slow. Because I know you're like. But I think like, you're like very much a MAGA guy. And also what it is, I think is a fact because you've been very strong about in this. In this conversation about how much you don't like illegal immigration.

[Tate Brown]

All immigration.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Well, okay, all. Even better. All immigration, if that do you. So in terms of the number of 600,000 when you've got what, 20 million, 11 million.

[Tate Brown]

I think 80 to 100 million need to go.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What?

[Tate Brown]

80 to 100 million people need to like, be out of the country.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

100 million people need to leave the United States.

[Tate Brown]

We need a lot of denaturalization.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Okay, please explain to me how you're gonna go about. So, okay, let's, let's.

[Tate Brown]

I said that's my goal.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, I always hear some of these far right guys. Sentence. I wanna hear it. So explain to me how you're gonna. What's gonna be your criteria of deporting? What is it, 30% of the population?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. I think achievable is probably like 30 to 40 million. I think that's achievable.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, you said 100 million.

[Phil Labonte]

That's what he said.

[Tate Brown]

What he wanted my pie in the sky. In the sky.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

That's what I wanna know.

[Phil Labonte]

That's.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I what. What I want to know.

[Phil Labonte]

I think you would.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So illegal is about 11 million. What else?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Then you would take anchor babies. Pretty much. Pretty much anyone that's anchor babies.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So Vivek Ramaswamy is gone.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Okay. Laura Looma.

[Tim Pool]

Her mom's birdie.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. I think. I think generally anybody that came. I think the Hart Cellar act was just a massive mistake. And so anybody that came in because of the Hart Cellar act, again, we should probably pursue denaturalization. Could there be exceptions? Sure. I don't know what that would look like.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No. What would it not? Because we need to like. Unless you're like, okay, if someone's white enough, I want to. It depends on if that's your position, I want to know it.

[Tate Brown]

I think white and black Americans are heritage Americans. And so they should be prioritized.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So FBA definitely stay foundational.

[Tate Brown]

Black Americans. Yeah, I agree with the Ann Coulter analysis that like this is fundamentally a white and black country. Like the first man killed in the American Revolution was a black man. There's no question that.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Okay, so like someone like distinctly American. So basically. And when you say white like Tejanos.

[Tate Brown]

Like they were here for a while.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

And I'm only giving this example because I know them. So like Jackson, his parents came on the Mayflower.

[Tate Brown]

Jackson.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Jackson Hinkle and then Nick Fuentes, they came through Ellis Island. Would they, would they get to stay?

[Tate Brown]

Well, yeah, again it's pre Hart Cellar act. It's like 1965.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Okay. And what about.

[Tate Brown]

And even Ellis island had a lot of problems too, but like working out in the end.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So how would you get your 100 million? This is the thing I'm not getting.

[Tate Brown]

Because we were at like 200 and I don't think, I think we're at 180 million during the time of the Hart Cellar act, so.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

But then there'll have been births as well, isn't there?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, again, births to a lot of people from the Heart Cellar Act. I mean if you look at the.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Proportion, anyone who came after 1965, you would deport them.

[Tate Brown]

So they could have been in this guy scenario.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Whoa. So they could have been in this country for three generations and. But they're gone two to three Elon Musk out.

[Tate Brown]

Maybe. Yeah.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No maybe Pine the sky.

[Tate Brown]

I'm just saying. Yes, Pie in the sky.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Okay, what about your non. Pie in the sky?

[Tate Brown]

Well, I think what's like probably 30 to 40 million.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What would be, what would be in that?

[Tate Brown]

What would be in that?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Who would be departed?

[Tate Brown]

Well, I mean alone 30 million illegals, that's easy. And then a lot of people that have like fudged paperwork to get here, people that have immigrated here but they're on welfare, people that are like net negative.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What about people who've not been born here but I've been, you know, got citizenship.

[Tate Brown]

Again, we're looking at like what a feasible immigration policies. And yeah, they would, they would stay if their paperworks here and they're net contributors to the American tax base.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, so long as you include Hassan Piker, I'm fine with it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, whatever we need to do to get Hasan Biker out as well.

[Tim Pool]

Let's touch a topic that is not controversial at all. Donald Trump not bombing Iran. Now a lot of people expected it was going to happen on the 16th because I guess the first ayatollah stepped down on January 16th, like 30 years ago, I guess. So this date is very important to these people. And it looks like I'm seeing on the Israel firsters on Twitter getting mad that Trump hasn't done anything yet. So I guess, you know, we can just go around the room. I think that if we start a war with Iran, it's probably going to be a big clusterfuck and it's going to cause us a bunch of problems. So I'm obviously, you know, I'm a conflict interventionist. I don't want to go and fight these wars for other countries. But, you know, I'd like to see. Maybe Maga Tate wants to freaking blow up the Ayatollah.

[Tate Brown]

No, I do not want war with Iran. I think it would be a quagmire. Again, Venezuela, the goals were clear. Again, the outcomes were clear even before.

[Tim Pool]

The operation happened to actually surrendered. Have you heard that conspiracy is that Maduro had surrendered and was going to turn himself in?

[Tate Brown]

Well, I mean, probably because he knew that, like, he knew what we were capable of. And he looked around and he saw that, like, the people guarding him are like, fat, like retards. Probably the best decision possible is to give himself up.

[Ian Crossland]

Saddam had given himself up, too, but they were like, we don't want you, we want the country.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I'm just very allergic to intervention in the Middle East.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What about bomb bombing? What about if he bumped?

[Tate Brown]

I don't even.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I just don't want to get boots on the ground. But bumped, okay.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I don't want to get involved in Iran. It's just a mess.

[Phil Labonte]

Again, I didn't say I want to. I said I'm fine. There's a difference between, There's. I'm not pro intervention in Iran, but if the, if, if they did, I wouldn't lose any sleep.

[Tim Pool]

I get frustrated. It takes too young for this. But there's a thing called the PNAC Project for a New American Century where they actually wrote a whole doctrine about how they're going to take the seven biggest threats to Israel and the Middle east, and Iran is the last country on that list. And we went there and we destabilized all these countries. We basically went to Afghanistan. And not only did you say, Donald Trump is killing all these people because they have drugs, but in Afghanistan, we actually protected the poppy fields so that we didn't mess up their economy of selling heroin. So obviously that's a lie. Obviously, the government does, you know, want to sell drugs. I think the Iran contrary. The government got caught shipping in cocaine trading them.

[Phil Labonte]

But it wasn't about cocaine.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they were giving Nicaraguans guns and then we were taking the cocaine.

[Phil Labonte]

It was about fighting the communists, whatever.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying, we were flying into men, Arkansas. And then Hillary Clinton, two boys died on a train charge and they said they smoked weed and fell asleep on it. And she covered all that up. My point is, if you look at drugs, they don't care about drugs. That's, that's all a lie. So, you know, you know, just. America is not. We say we're so perfect. I don't know. I think we got a lot of skeletons in our.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

On your question, you said you're fine with bombing Iran. So are you fine with Iran bombing US military sites in the GCC countries?

[Phil Labonte]

Why would I be fine with that? That's a ridiculous.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Why are you fine with the first question?

[Phil Labonte]

I'm an American.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And I like America.

[Tim Pool]

So I'm on America.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm on America. I'm, I'm. Okay, you can stop putting words in my mouth. I'm on America's side.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

How is that on America's side to bomb?

[Phil Labonte]

Because if the, I said if the United States does it, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Like, because it's, it's. The government does a lot of things that I wouldn't be out there saying, we should go do this. There are a lot of things that don't have significant impact on my life. And if it doesn't have a significant impact on my life, I'm actually not going to go out and protest. I'm not the kind of guy that's going to go out and protest.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, I'm not asking protest. I'm asking because you could be like, look, I don't really agree with it, but it's fine. Or you could be like, look, I'm neutral about it. But when you say you're fine, I.

[Phil Labonte]

Said I'm fine with that. So that's a neutral. I'm like, okay, fine, whatever. Like, fine would be neutral. I'm not like, we should go do it. In fact, I specifically said that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I think the problem with being neutral on the issue is that what is the consequences? So there's only a couple of possibilities. One possibility is you're okay with America bombing another country. Country, which I'm just like a Muslim and I think ethically just harming anyone is not a good thing. But okay, I know we've got different morals and ethics. But that being said, Separate to that, there's always consequences for your action. So when you bomb Iran, inevitably there's going to be a reaction. Hence why Israel, who knows that if they bomb Iran and the GCC countries pleaded with Trump to say, look, don't do it. And that's the reason he didn't do it, because they knew that they would be targets, the US Military bases would be targeted, target, Israel will be target. And the issue you've got is that basically what it does is cause escalation. Iran isn't a weak country.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not so sure, I'm not so sure that it actually would have significant consequences. And the reason I say that is because there was everybody, so many people were saying, look, if we strike Iran, if we strike the nuclear sites in Iran, there's going to be all these consequences. There's going to be a, there's going to be a ground invasion, there's gonna be this, there's gonna be that. And so far we've not seen any of the consequences that people were predicting right now. I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that there aren't going to, there couldn't be things in the future. I'm saying up to this point, point, we have not seen any of the stuff that the doomsayers were saying.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, because that's, that's because it seems like that was kind of like an agreed upon situation where America, but.

[Phil Labonte]

Before they were saying that all this stuff is definitely because it was agreed.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Upon because what actually happened in that war was, which has kind of been proven now because based on the fact that Israel said then already is, it was a 12 day war. Iran dominated Israel the very first day Israel hit Iran really well, Iran didn't expect it because they manipulated Trump told Iran, we're not gonna, we're not gonna, we're not, we're not gonna, Israel's not gonna hit you. So he believed him and thought there's going to be negotiations on the Sunday, on the Friday, Iran was doing military exercises. So on the first day they succeeded within Iran and after that Iran dominated Israel. Israel didn't have no defense missiles. And this is the reason they weren't doing that. They haven't got enough defense missiles to stop their attacks. And so that's why they went to Trump and made sure that they stopped the war. Trump's way of stopping the war was he had an agreed thing with Iran. In my view, this is our last bit of speculation, agreed in thing with Iran to say, look, you take your, whatever nuclear bits you've got in Iran, we're going to bomb and then you can do the thing in Qatar and they both bombed each other and that's the end of it. But now Israel's not ready for the, basically the war. So I don't think that that was escalation. Now Iran doesn't want it because it would be significant escalation. Then it would be GCC attacked Israel attacked Israel and GCC and already attacked.

[Tim Pool]

And I want to make this point because the first, during the 12 Day War, why did we bomb Iran? Because they had nuclear capabilities, allegedly. But now you see Donald Trump tweeting that we're going to bomb them to help the protesters. So that's what we're going to do. We're going to go destabilize countries because people are protesting. Because there's so many countries where that's happening.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I mean, United States of America just someone got killed.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we just protested against him. Should another country bomb us for protesting our president?

[Phil Labonte]

No, countries are not the same.

[Tate Brown]

I don't think we should bomb.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just saying, I mean, you know, I guess it's just where it's like, what is the objective? It's kind of like the war in the Middle East. The objective is not clear.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So that's why the objective is solely for Israel. If you're America first, you listen, let's be clear on this. It's quite evident from the Middle east east that these countries actually want deals with America. As soon as Qatar, UAE got opportunities, they've got deals with the United States of America. Worse than that, they've given United States, America $5 trillion. That's the level of love they actually have for America. And that's actually how they do. Let's be clear on this. Arabs, psychologically, and Asians as well, they look up to the United States of America. They look up to the white man. And so that's why they'll give $5 trillion to America. And so my point about that is these countries want to make deals. The issue you have is the only reason they're not making deals with America, for example, the only reason Iran has issues with America is because of Israel.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't, I'm not so sure I agree about Iran. I understand what you're saying about the rest of the Middle east, though, because for the most part, most of the, most of the, the countries in the Middle east do have fairly good relations with the US And I think that a big part of the reason why the US is and Iran are hostile is because the US Is basically meddling in the Middle east, according to Iran and Iran. Iran would have far greater influence over the other countries in the Middle east if it wasn't for the United States. Saudi Arabia and Iran don't particularly get along. And there's, there's. The Saudis have a significant interest in Iran not getting nuclear weapons. I think that as much as it is true that, you know, Israel doesn't want Iran to get nuclear weapons, I also think that there are a lot.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Of the countries around nuclear weapons in the first place. If they wanted, they would have got it a very long time ago. Right.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

And they've got basically. Well, you can not believe it, but we've seen the actions. I think that's one of the failures Iran's done that they should have got nuclear weapons, but they've not got it because a fatwa made by Aya Dullahene who basically said that you're not allowed to have nuclear weapons according to their religious law. This Shia. I'm Sunni, so like, I have different religious belief to them. That being said, they're quite clearly saying that they don't believe in nuclear proliferation. In terms of Iran, I do actually think that if Iran didn't have an issue with Israel because Saudi, Israel and the United States have always kind of been aligned, they would have good relations that, with, with, with all those countries. And you see that by the fact that, for example, Hamas is Sunni, Iraq is a Shi. Sorry, Iran is Shia. So in reality these people will get along when it comes to bigger geopolitical situations. They'll get along. I believe there's only one impeding issue and that is Israel.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, what, what's the issue exactly?

[Phil Labonte]

Israel.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Well, Israel. Israel wants control of the area. They want to do expansion within the region and they are themselves, themselves want to make sure that they don't have existential threats. So they believe that in the future there could be a scenario where maybe these countries could be a threat. And so what they want to do is basically weaken all these countries so they're no longer a threat. It's kind of like psychological damage after what happened, according to them for a thousand years up until the Holocaust, where they think you can't trust the whites and you can't trust the whites.

[Phil Labonte]

It happened after the, after the Holocaust as well, though, because there was, you know, the Seven Day War and stuff like that.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Which. What do you mean?

[Phil Labonte]

Or the. In when a bunch of countries, the Six day war, a bunch of countries.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, that was Israel. That was again, America lying to lbj, got on the phone with Nasser. So what happened? The Egyptians didn't want to go to war with Israel. What happened was Nasser, the leader of Egypt, was actually fighting a war in Yemen. He gets on a call with LBJ and he says, the Israelis are not going to attack us, are they? Once again, he lies and says, no, they're not. And then they do a blitzkrieg and attack them. So that was Israel.

[Ian Crossland]

Again, people, real quick, I just want.

[Tim Pool]

To bring this up. It's so crazy, these letters from JFK where he was talking. You can look this up where he was saying that he couldn't believe every single night that Israel was bombing themselves.

[Phil Labonte]

And then calling, thank God we're talking about jfk.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm saying it's just kind of weird that they were doing that. You can find the article somewhere else. But in his own notes, he was saying that.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What happened to Jeff K. Well, he.

[Tim Pool]

Was shot in the head.

[Phil Labonte]

The Jews killed him.

[Ian Crossland]

You said the Israelis were bombing themselves.

[Tim Pool]

JFK wrote a note and he said it. We can find it. And maybe this isn't a good one. Hold on.

[Ian Crossland]

They're kind of the masters of subterfuge, you know, the Israeli Mossad. But when I look at the Balfour Declaration, the way Israel is set up after World War I and the betrayal of the Arabs, it seems like the liberal economic order's attempt at bulwarking the Suez Canal and controlling trade hegemony in the region. They split up the Soviet Union and took Sevastopol and Black Sea port access away from the Russians on purpose after the fall of the Soviet Union. That's all Israel. It seems like it's just a militarized outpost of the liberal economic order.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Even if it was, which I can see slightly where you're coming from, especially when you look at 67. But then when you look at, for example, what happened to jfk, and then you look at the fact that after that, that you basically had a scenario where when the Soviet Union Union weakened, remember, Israel also was working on both sides. They were given military, U.S. military secrets. The Soviet Union, they were given Soviet Union's secrets to the United States of America. So even in that situation, they weren't an ally, they were actually an impediment. They were going to just go with whichever side did well. But in terms of Suez Canal, in terms of what you're talking about, I guess that is a good, decent point. But it became less of an issue over time which you see when you. Egypt just fully just basically became part of like the American hemogeny.

[Tim Pool]

Well, and this is the quote right here. There were 13 bombs set off my last evening there, all in the Jewish quarter and all set off by Jews. The ironical part is that the Jewish terrorists bombed their own telephone lines and electric connections the next day frantically phone up the British to come and fix them up. So that's what we call a false flag attack.

[Ian Crossland]

Jesse, wouldn't it be?

[Phil Labonte]

He said Jewish terrorists. Is that what it says in there?

[Tim Pool]

No, it says the set off by Jews. Nothing about terrorists.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Jewish.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, Jewish terrorists bomb their own telephone. Oh, well, I mean, so, so, so that, I mean typically, and this might be splitting hairs, but typically terrorists are people that are not part of the government and false flags are set up by the government.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, he's just saying again, like.

[Phil Labonte]

I said, I'm only splitting hairs.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, because. No, because the problem is that what you've got is. You're right, like Israel has always been United States of America has always been kind of linked and are subservient to Israel.

[Tim Pool]

Now.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

There's been always no, that's what I said. And. Or. But always no, that's why I said and.

[Phil Labonte]

Or well, and.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Or as in, as in because the.

[Phil Labonte]

US was a country for what, 150.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Years before I said the US and Israel have always been linked and all. So all been. So it's either linked or subservient.

[Phil Labonte]

So you said. But you're not. You're the point that I'm making. Since the US existed a long time before, since 49.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, I know that since Israel got created. That's why I said andor. But there were two key incidences I can just think about, which is, for example, the Brits remember when they bombed the King David Hotel, they called them terrorists then as well. And then obviously JFK always, never had a good relationship with them and always seen them as extremists, as did the Queen of England.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, I have kind of this utilitarian take on is supporting Israel and supporting military in the Middle east. Because I was really anti war in Iraq. It was just seemed like nonsense. But now I think, think like if we just pulled out of the Middle east and just said you're on your own. Iran take nuclear weapons. I feel like Russia and China would take over the world, take over the Suez Canal, America would become third bitch and that then we would be spending $700 on coffees and speaking Mandarin. So it's like I'm a little more bullish on military authority and control now to protect American religious, you know, Republicanism essentially. Do you.

[Phil Labonte]

Where does your world stand? A power position.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So I'll just state your position back and tell me if I said it wrong. So your position is that America should subjugate the world so you can have cheaper goods.

[Ian Crossland]

And it's beyond me. It's because freedom of speech, because of gun rights, property rights, these ethics that are inherent in our country, I think is the best on earth or the least worse.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

You think that's a good ethic to subjugate the earth to murder, kill and may and cause mayhem.

[Ian Crossland]

Hem.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So that you can have cheaper coffee. I know I'm kind of being reductive in what I'm saying.

[Phil Labonte]

Extremely.

[Tate Brown]

I do think America like an empire.

[Ian Crossland]

Let me answer.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

But there's different ways an empire.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

You don't have to now because initially you were like for they should kill and bomb and do all these terrible things. Then he says, well, you know, like they should behave like an empire. And then you're like, okay, well there's different ways to do it. So just. So. So the way that you set up the question is should they be the worst. Worst empire imaginable?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

But that's what.

[Phil Labonte]

So that way you can do this. No, absolutely not. No, absolutely not. The United States is not the worst ever. The worst ever empire imaginable. If the, if China or Russia were in. In actual like where they're the global power. I'm not saying they are. I said if they were, it would be totally different.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, China is expanding. So China is expanding like what China now, when you look at it from a military perspective, when you look at it from a technological perspective, they're massively advanced and they're advancing so much. And I don't want China to take past it, but this kind of understanding that you believe that China is not advancing in the way they are and that they're not building an empire.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no.

[Tate Brown]

It's just not based on the certainly trapping like third World with like horrible trade deals. That's so that's different than like exercising military power.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Exactly. So you prefer the military where they build.

[Tate Brown]

That's how empires should operate.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

They're actually building an empire as well. But they're just doing it economically.

[Tate Brown]

They're doing it in like the United States fairly inconsequential places and very sloppily.

[Phil Labonte]

Like Sri Lanka and the United States. The United States absolutely is. Look, all you have to do is look at how many countries have McDonald's to know that the United States did it economically.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Like the, the, the, the United States has built how many years of the US not liberal economic order since World War II.

[Tim Pool]

Venezuela is one of the few countries that doesn't have a Rothschilds bank. Iran, another country that doesn't have a Rothschild bank. And it's very important to these people that all these countries do have Rothschild banks. I mean, that's just a fact.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So I, so my thing is this. And you're right, by the way, but my thing is this. I want, want America to be in charge. I just want it to be done peacefully.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I don't think it can.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And I mean, I understand peace through strength.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

And China showed you a mode where it can be.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, the problem is like Trump is.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Kind of showing you a mode where it can be because if Syria, he's kind of created an agreement now where he looks like he's bringing them into the empire. He's not to kill anyone. Trump is starting to show in certain aspects you can't.

[Tate Brown]

And the way Trump negotiates these things is he sets up these convoluted.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I knew when I first Trump, he's going to be on board.

[Tate Brown]

Well, no, I'm saying, well, I'm saying the way that, the way that Trump sets up these things is he sets up these trade deals. So then it makes it much more difficult for these countries to again, like dissolve their relationships with each other because they're economically. Yeah, he's trying to develop economic cooperation.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I think that's better.

[Tate Brown]

I think it's way better than George Bush. George Bush's solution is just like bomb and then hope for the best.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Exactly. Because George Bush's situation, what does it do? It creates the military industrial complex to be wealthy, the billionaire class, you become richer. And my poor old Uber drivers having to work 60, 70 hours.

[Ian Crossland]

I would love for it to be peaceful and for it to be emergent where everybody's like, you know what? Republicanism is the best. I like free speech. We're gonna overthrow our governments and do it. I just don't. You know, when you have a totalitarian system preventing that, like the CCP that wants total authority or whatever, how's that gonna happen peacefully? And also when you go in and you.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What do you mean?

[Ian Crossland]

How would the Chinese people overthrow the Communist Party and take their country back peacefully?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, they wouldn't. I don't get it.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think they would either. I don't think it can happen. Peace Peacefully.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, but why would they want to? The country's doing so well.

[Ian Crossland]

So that they can say the government and not get that bullet in their head.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh yeah, that's a, that's an overstatement.

[Ian Crossland]

Normal.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, they couldn't.

[Ian Crossland]

Free speech.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I'm not pro China, I think that it's a significant issue. But they are doing well.

[Tate Brown]

Like they have the LEDs on the side of the buildings.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, pretty cool.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

If you look at the military advancement, American military is still the best, like by far. But if you look at their technological advancement now, because basically they came to the U.S. they stole a lot of us U.S. technological secrets, they took them back. But now what's happening?

[Phil Labonte]

Now you're making arguments for deportations. Sorry, now you're making arguments for deportations.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there was actually a guy that just got sentenced to 20 years.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I was, I've been against CCP infiltration. I've been talking about for 10 years.

[Phil Labonte]

Awesome.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I just went to jail for 20 years for giving secrets to China.

[Ian Crossland]

So let me finish the question soon enough. Doing it peacefully. So if you take someone's food supply away, technically that's peaceful, according to the CIA, because there's no kinetic violence. Of course then they start to starve and die. You've economically strangled and, and killed them.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

True.

[Ian Crossland]

That could be a peaceful way that we take over the world. Technically, but.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Or I wouldn't agree with that because that's oppressive.

[Ian Crossland]

It is oppressive, but it's peaceful.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Oh yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So it's nonviolent.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, I appreciate you saying that. So it has to be peaceful and non. Oppressive.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, see, that's a big open to talking about that and because I feel.

[Tim Pool]

Like you are changing, you know, your stance a little bit because I think in your heart, you know that as human beings, like we are evolved, like we should be able to solve our problems. Well, just let me know. This is why the fact is we've been desensitized to violence. We've seen 9, 11, we've seen Charlie's death. So now we think it's okay because we've seen other people die, but in a real, you know, utopia society. And I know we're never going to have a utopia. We wouldn't be killing each other over lines in the sand.

[Ian Crossland]

Humans, like we have two parts of us. We have this is the person, the name, that's one. Then we have the animal that needs to eat. And when that thing gets, gets starts to suffer, it goes haywire. And we have to plan for that. And that's where military force comes in.

[Tate Brown]

Well, people also just have like people depending on where you are from in the world. You just have completely different perspectives on morality too. Like morality is universal, but people have differentiating views on generation is like so flawed because you're like, you're just bringing people into a country that just have a different conception of morality and different conception of ethics and then it breaks apart.

[Tim Pool]

Would you say Switzerland is a country that's ran well?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, Switzerland.

[Phil Labonte]

The United States can't be Switzerland.

[Tim Pool]

Why not though?

[Phil Labonte]

Because it's a total.

[Tate Brown]

Switzerland is like three European people groups that are neighbors and it's.

[Tim Pool]

America cannot copy Switzerland.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, not at all.

[Tim Pool]

That's because you guys are. And that's propaganda. You guys have fallen for war propaganda.

[Tate Brown]

Switzerland is only Switzerland. The world is a violent place.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Like if everyone were Switzerland, then no world.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it would be great if everything.

[Phil Labonte]

The idea that.

[Tate Brown]

The idea is self interested.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's true. The, the idea that we're desensitized to violence. This is a totally novel period in human. Human society.

[Tim Pool]

What are you talking about? There's people that were drafted. Vietnam was incredibly violent. Every era of the American history has been violence. The Civil War is violent. American history was not violent.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the point that I'm making. Like we are less violent now in this point in human history than human beings have ever been in all of human history. In the last hundred. Well, in the last. In the last 100 years because of governments probably 200 million. But the point that, but the point that I'm making is the average.

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Average per. The average person.

[Phil Labonte]

Person in the United in the Western world is, is far less likely to engage with violence than they have ever been Other people in other points in history ever. Like people.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Have died in the last one.

[Phil Labonte]

We're definitely like because of, because of industrialized war. Not because, not because. Not because there's more war. Like war was a constant prior to World War. It's been a constant throughout all of human history. War existed before human human beings.

[Tate Brown]

We're conditioned to less like battlefield deaths. But as far as like the culture of violence, I would agree that we are desensitized. I mean because you look across the west like what we tolerate like abortion is just murder at the highest degree. That's just occurring like. And like we're just battery farming it. You have like just. The cities are just. We just accept like insane levels of violent crime. I mean like in the UK you have like these grooming games going everywhere. So it's like no matter where you look, we are just conditioned to accept just like carnage just right below our very noses. So it's like, okay, it doesn't manifest in the battlefield, but the west is still an exceptionally. We still accept an exceptional level of violence and propaganda.

[Phil Labonte]

I think. I think that we. I think that we.

[Tate Brown]

I think, you know, hold on.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What it is, is there is grooming gangs in the uk.

[Tate Brown]

Yes.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Right. And there is grooming gangs in specific areas which were largely Muslim and Pakistani. Rotherham being one, Rochdale being one, Telford being another one, and maybe one or two others. But if you look at it holistically, in the entirety of the uk, when it came to, I don't know if you like to say the P word. The P word. If you look at the. Peter. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

PDF.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

PDF. And, you know, abusing women. Well, you know what I mean by that. Then if you look at the entirety of the uk, it's actually proportionate.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I want to say this point, it's actually. This is why America. This is why I have problems and I love this country, but this is why I do have problems with the country. And, you know, you might get offended at this, but during, you know, the war in the Middle east, there's a thing called the Baka Bozzi boys, where there's men in Afghanistan and where they still have it, where they have sex with little boys, they'll be like, be their little servant. They have sex with children. And the United States military walked in on this and instead of hurting the PDF file, what they did was they protected them because they were our allies. So we have instances where our government is not only protecting Jeffrey Epstein right now, but we've actually protected pedophiles in the Middle East.

[Tate Brown]

It's. What's happened in the UK with the grooming aids is that the Civil Service just completely justified.

[Tim Pool]

I'm anti violence, but if somebody does deserve that violence done to them, I would say it'd be somebody that harms children. Our country protects pedophiles.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, but they didn't justify what was. There was serious failures amongst the government and this happened throughout the board. So, for example, now, like Tommy Robinson, if you look, I added a thread of like 100 people that were either his friends, connected to him, had the same position as him, or was part of his group that all partook in this PDF and all that kind of stuff. So what I'm trying to say, when you look at it, of course there was massive failures within the institutional level in terms of protecting any of those children or women.

[Tate Brown]

Well, yeah, but like, I mean, even in the, like, it was the J. Roberts report, where it's like, even in that, the, the J. Robert report, that was the, that was the report that exposed in Rotherham like the mass of grooming, levels of grooming that was going on. It was like 1400 kids that were, that were taken advantage of and the police and other civil servants were like literally afraid to report it because they want to be pursued, perceived as like Islamophobic.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, but that's my point. I'm trying to say that you're right about Rotherham, but I'm saying if you look at the UK as a whole, if this issue in this. Because what you're basically saying is I have an issue with Rotherham because it was Muslims, which is. But I'm saying I have a problem with every single town, irrespective. It was Muslim, Christian, Jew, white. So I think where we differ is I'm saying I have a problem with all of them doing your focus.

[Tate Brown]

I totally agree.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I'm just saying, I'm saying failures happen across the board. But you're saying I only care about Robin.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's like saying, okay, instead of just addressing like aggravated assault, theft, these sorts of things, we should just focus on.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I'm talking about PDF. I'm talking about PDF.

[Tate Brown]

I agree, but I'm just saying there's a difference between like an institutionalized, like system of grooming gangs that needs to be broken up. And that is a separate issue from like, yeah, like pedophilia writ large. No, no.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So it was institutionalized. It was happening across the board. Now, in terms of those specific grooming gangs, what Tommy Robinson did was he created a new category where he said, if it's three people or higher doing the beating, then we'll create a new category and it'll be for only over 14 year olds and it'll only be because they want to take the children out because that becomes disproportionately not them. And we want to take the children out because we don't care about paedophilia. And we want to do it where it's three or more because we don't want to care about two or one or we just create. So what he did was create this fake category to babies, say, look, everybody falls into that category. And I'm saying that's just ridiculous. You abuse someone, you do it, you know, whether it's a PDF and it's someone. And I think doing it to children's worst. But obviously men may disagree, but the. Is Thing is, all of that is bad. All of that was covered up in an industry level and all of it should be called out irrespective of who it is. And I think this has been done intentionally in order to cause like wars between people.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I think it's just like there's a difference between again like just your, it sounds weird but like your everyday sort of grooming situation which happens all the time, there's no question about that. And actual groups, actual roving bands that operated for dozens of years.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So you think like for example, let's say, say one, one guy abused a five year old.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

That's less worse than let's say three guys who abused a 16 year old.

[Tate Brown]

No, I'm saying those are two separate things. I mean that that warrants execution, there's no question about that.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Which one?

[Tate Brown]

Well, both, but I'm saying you said.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

They'Re both the same.

[Tate Brown]

Well the actual individual instance. But I'm saying when you have gangs.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Like that's a gang. So his category of gang is three or higher. So I'm giving again three guys and.

[Tate Brown]

Within a specific community as well.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so three. Okay, let's do your community. Three Pakistani guys who abuse a 16 year old and two white guys who abuse a five year old. Which one's worse?

[Tim Pool]

They're both equally bad. Exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

That's my point.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

But he doesn't believe that, right?

[Tate Brown]

No, we're saying, I'm talking about specific grooming gangs and it's like because we've brought like massive amounts of Pakistanis into the uk which we wouldn't have these if it weren't for the mass migration to the uk.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So what you're saying is there's not.

[Tate Brown]

Grooming gangs of like Scousers running around?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I just explained to you, proportionally it's all the same.

[Tim Pool]

Why do Muslim women real problem.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yes it is.

[Tate Brown]

No Pakistan are outsized in sexual crimes in the United States.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No it's not. No they're not. No they're not. Well they actually don't the evidence to prove it. Because I'm saying if you say in, in Rotherham then it's the case but for the entirety of the United Kingdom it's not.

[Ian Crossland]

We just need to pull up the data. Cuz you, you just said. Yes. No, pull up my thread.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I didn't thread on it.

[Tim Pool]

And this is, this is kind of, this is going after Islam. Why do women have to cover their face? Why do they have to cover their face? Why do they have to cover their face?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Suleiman well, let's do with this as well.

[Phil Labonte]

So no one can see it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, because it's a sexual thing.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no. So the reason women. First of all, I don't agree with covering the first I, I but so I think it's not within Islam but those who believe it. So I don't believe in it, by the way, but those Muslims who do believe in it, like, why don't they women have the freedom of choice to wear it?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I guess if a woman wants to wear it, I think they can. I mean, if they want to choose to wear it. But my point, point is there's a reason why, because in some cultures if.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

A woman does the top line say.

[Tim Pool]

That the woman is asking for it by even showing her face. So I think culturally that is not.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What does the topic say. I'm trying to get data though.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you, Suleiman, do you think that Islam.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, I think you just ignore it.

[Ian Crossland]

Is due for a reformation.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Oh, that's America though.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah, this is the U.S. i mean, and also like the thing with Rotherham specifically, it was like, remember he's.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Saying one specific town, but.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, I mean that's just the biggest, most high profile case and this was the case with some of the other like Rochdale and the other gangs is the Pakistani grooming gangs were targeting white children. And then there's no like instances of white grooming gangs to begin with, but then let alone white grooming games targeting like Pakistani girls.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Okay, so first of all, there was white grooming gangs. That's what I'm trying to tell you. And the second thing is they target.

[Tate Brown]

Even if there was, which I.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So the reason we would have found out.

[Tate Brown]

But were they targeting Pakistani girls? Like, no, these Pakistanis came here and then they had like this weird sexual fixation where they.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, that wasn't it. What actually happened? I don't think you read the report. So what actually happened was unfortunately what these evil people were doing, these Pakistanis, was they were going to, you know, people who were in social services and people whose who'd lost their. People who went with their parents maybe because of drugs or whatever it may be. So they were going for these vulnerable 14, 15, 16, 17 year olds. Yeah, like people who were in social services. Like, I don't know if you have the same thing in the us but in the UK where the kids are.

[Ian Crossland]

Taken away and they live in a child protective service.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, that's it. So they were basically there and they, and then what, and what that is is those social Services, largely speaking, it is white, white, white girls. And that's why they were targeting them.

[Tate Brown]

Yes. So the Pakistanis were again targeted. The results was. It was primarily white girls.

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[Tate Brown]

So both victimized by Pakistani.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

And the other one was white guys victimizing white girls because again, they were easy access.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, again, I, I mean, I, I, I don't know of any instances of, of this occurring. I mean, if you have a, I'm happy to look it up.

[Tim Pool]

If you have a name in.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Put my name in on X. Go put Otto Robinson. You'll get.

[Tim Pool]

Was it. Do you agree with Donald Trump that the Epstein files are a total hoax?

[Tate Brown]

The Epstein files are real, but I just don't, I think all the.

[Tim Pool]

Why would he say it was a hoax?

[Tate Brown]

Because it's, it's just politics. I think, I think the reality is any incriminating information on the Epstein files, there's none. Because any powerful, like do you think Bill Clinton like did this or whoever did this and then they don't. You'd have to call the information.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Just leave it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think there's evidence. I think with any crime, crime in this modern era, like there's always going to be residue of a crime.

[Tate Brown]

Well, the problem is that you can kill the, the people that would testify.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they couldn't. You know, Hillary Clinton has a lot of people that are associated with her that have died under mysterious circumstances. So I'm just saying.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Well, you think the Epstein files are fake?

[Tate Brown]

No.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Oh, well, what's your position on it?

[Tate Brown]

My position is that any incrementing information is probably gone by now.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think it's just destroyed by the FBI? See, that's where I disagree because I get frustrated and people tell me that, you know, Jeffrey Epstein, you know, killed himself even though he was like at the vending machine, you know, buying M M's right before. I think that, you know, he just met with his attorney. His attorney said he was in great spirits. So I just think it's odd that a billionaire that probably did have inside information and probably could have been a witness to these people dies, you know, by killing himself. I think that like you said, they would cover their tracks and they would kill him. But yet we have people that lead the FBI or leaving the FBI telling us, oh, no, the official story is. Right. Like do you believe the official story? Do you think he hung himself by jumping off the second story of a.

[Tate Brown]

No, no, I'm the first person. I think that especially the Trump led DOJ fumbled the episode.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, they could have fumbled it any worse. They gave those fake binders. So it just sucks because it gives me the impression that they're protecting pedophiles and people think like, oh, pizzagate is some QANON thing. No, it wasn't. These were the WikiLeaks when we got Hillary Clinton's emails and we see all these weird emails about pizza and maps and just a lot of weird stuff. James Elephantis, maybe he wasn't doing a child sex ring out of a pizza shop, but they were doing weird stuff on islands with children. And I just get a little frustrated that they're not going to give us transparency because it feels like they're protecting pedophiles.

[Ian Crossland]

You know how young the youngest victim was by any chance?

[Tim Pool]

Well, if you can do the Nick Fuentes argument that they're like preteens.

[Ian Crossland]

I heard pubescent is pedo, otherwise it's hebephilia.

[Phil Labonte]

I believe, like teenage girl.

[Tim Pool]

I heard this rumor and you know, is this true or not? That people would ask Jeffrey Epstein, that was in his circles, his favorite sexual conquest and supposedly Jean Luc Brunel, who was a model telling a talent agent that had, you know, a bunch of models, is that Jeffrey Epstein would tell people that his favorite sexual conquest was how he slept with three 11 year old triplets and then flew him back. And that's that. You can look that up.

[Phil Labonte]

That's not slept with.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if it's whatever he had said, you know what I mean? He just did the deed with three 11 year olds, he abused them. And yeah, I just get frustrated because it's so obvious that there are important people that are doing stuff and maybe they have to do it. Maybe, you know, it's part to get in the club. You have to do, you know, you to have, have to touch a kid or whatever it is, but we're not gonna get transparency. And I love Donald Trump, but he campaigned on transparency. I'm gonna give you transparency. And then they totally flipped the script. It's just making me kind of lose faith in ever actually finding the truth. And that sucks.

[Ian Crossland]

It's the one ring they can't. I mean they can get rid of it, but it's. The data's so valuable, all that blackmail data, they're using it right now. I think that's part of it.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Probably Wanda, who is fall.

[Ian Crossland]

It's probably keeping Trump alive.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I would say, I would say that, you know how we do want to blame everything on Israel, but if you look at Mossad and you look at our CIA and you're going to say Mossad controls the CIA, but they work in concert together. They share all information. As a matter of fact, they fought because supposedly Israel held information from America and vice versa. So when, when both agencies are basically, you know, tied together like that.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Same with how do they work together. So give me.

[Tim Pool]

So I'm saying so they protect their own agency as well because there's probably no, but look, we can involved in Jeffrey Epstein as well.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So we've got instances of Israeli spies stealing American secrets and either giving it to Israel or taking it to Russia.

[Tim Pool]

But there's a.

[Phil Labonte]

Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. There's one thing that I want to put in there. The idea that it's only Israel stealing from the United States. That is a naive perspective. Every country does everything they can to spy on every other country.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I thought they're the greatest ally, a special relationship.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't care. Every country does everything they can to spy on every other country.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

And so, so that's why it's pertinent that you don't make claims that a specific country has a special relationship or they are given special access because when you do, then you're right.

[Phil Labonte]

I disagree with that. I think that. And not that I think that Israel should be a special country. I do think the United States, the uk, Canada, New Zealand and Australia have a unique relationship because we all spawn from the UK So I think that the, the United, the five eyes is what they call it English speaking. Yeah, I think not just, not just English speaking but, but yeah.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Is not part of the five eyes.

[Phil Labonte]

I, that's exactly what I said. But the point that I'm making. Oh, you said not Israel, not Israel. The five countries that basically respond from.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

The United, from the United States even.

[Phil Labonte]

With the UK because the United. In my opinion the United States is actually the fruition of what, of what was started with the Magna Card in the UK I mean that's so, so I think that, I think that the.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

United States have changed so much now.

[Phil Labonte]

I still think. Yeah, definitely. But I still think that the, the, the United States and the, the countries that, you know, basically our sister countries or other countries, whatever you want to call them, I think that we do have a special relationship that should be held above all other countries the world. So anyhow.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we do let them have nuclear weapons. And I think that's kind of the UK they, you know, if I'm really going to go crazy, people are going to call me Candace Owenso. I think nuclear weapons are totally fake. The idea that, like, they split the atom and this big bomb goes off. And if you look up Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you can basically tell that those were firebombs. And you can look at it, and there's.

[Phil Labonte]

What do you think the Castle Bravo test was?

[Tim Pool]

It was fake. Why did the. Why did a house fall down with the car sitting there?

[Phil Labonte]

Perfectly. That wasn't the cat. That wasn't Castle Bravo.

[Tim Pool]

You're saying the footage they gave us.

[Phil Labonte]

I understand what you're talking about. That was edited.

[Ian Crossland]

I understand.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not making the argument that it wasn't.

[Tim Pool]

All of a sudden, everything's different.

[Phil Labonte]

The Castle brought. There are multiple tests where there's footage.

[Tim Pool]

You think I'm saying we have big bombs. But it's funny, because Donald Trump, he's dropped the moab, the mother of all bombs, which is arguably the second biggest bomb besides a nuclear weapon. It just seems like in order to scare the civilians. And this is what they tell us in school. And they told me this. I don't know if you guys agreed, but maybe Tate was in school sooner than all of us. But they told me in history class that we have enough nuclear weapons to blow up the Earth ten times over. That's just provably false. It doesn't matter. If you set up every bomb that we had, the Earth is going to outlive humanity, and we can't just blow up the world like that. That's just fake news. So they use the threat of nuclear weapons to scare us. And the idea that you split the atom and everything blows up, I actually think he goes, it's such a lie. It goes back to, like, the Bible. It's kind of like how they're trying to, you know, play like they're.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you believe in atoms?

[Tim Pool]

I believe in atoms, but I don't believe if you split an atom, it causes this mushroom cloud.

[Phil Labonte]

So you think that Einstein is wrong?

[Tim Pool]

I think Einstein had some crazy theories. I think some was right. He talked about the ether. Now that, you know, you probably don't believe in the ether. He talks about the ether. And now that's been totally taken out of science. So I think there is energy that we cannot see around us. And, yeah, so I think Einstein was right about some stuff, probably wrong about other stuff. But the idea that the Manhattan Project, they just built this bomb.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you think that. Do you think that basically all matter and energy are the same things? They're just different manifestations of the same thing?

[Tim Pool]

As a question, do I think matter.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you think matter and energy are the same thing, because the, the essential. The essential argum in E equals MC squared is that matter and energy are actually the same thing. It's just they're different manifestations.

[Tim Pool]

I think matter has energy, but I don't know if. Yeah, I mean, I guess I could say that energy has matter because if there is an ether, like we can't see it, but there's oxygen in the air. There's stuff that is, you know, the ether, he believed in it. Now natural science has taken it away. It's like, what is it they say, what are the fire, rain, what are the elements?

[Ian Crossland]

Five watermelon.

[Tim Pool]

But there's really six ether. And they took that off. According to Einstein, you can look this up. He thought ether was the six element.

[Ian Crossland]

NASA Herriman seems to believe it's the vacuum. He calls it the vacuum of spacetime itself. It is equally dense. So there. I think Einstein was right, that there is what we think is nothing, is actually something, even though we don't necessarily classically determine it with our tools yet.

[Phil Labonte]

So in 1905, the special theory of relativity, Einstein rejected the classical ether as unnecessary and undetectable.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he changed his opinion on it when it became. That's not scientifically, you know, accepted.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why I just want to figure out how.

[Phil Labonte]

Basically. Basically. So what happened is, essentially when he says, when Einstein said ether, what he's talking about is, is space time. So the ether was thought of as. As, but now we just call it feel the field. Right, so that's what I'm saying.

[Tim Pool]

So that we agree that there is an electromagnetic field.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, no, it's not electromagnetic. It's basically like. So you can go forward, backward, up or down, left, Right. That's a field. Right, that's, that's the field talking about.

[Tim Pool]

An energy that we can not see.

[Phil Labonte]

No, he said, he says, he says, however, at least this is what the, the AI says. However, in his general theory of relativity, Einstein reintroduced the concept of an ether, not as a material medium, but as space time itself, endowed with physical properties. So basically space, you know how, you.

[Tim Pool]

Know, like saying space time. I understand that, but. Well, I would just argue that we're all in the ether.

[Ian Crossland]

I just, I had a fact check on nuclear bombs. This Internet says nuclear bombs work by releasing massive amounts of energy through nuclear reactions, either fission or, or fusion. Yeah, so I guess that's what.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, the evidence that, that nuclear bombs are. Listen, the evidence that nuclear bombs are real is stars.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, the Internet said it.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, because stars, stars are. Well, that it's possible at the very least because stars fuse together atoms into heavier elements. They fuse hydrogen.

[Tim Pool]

Nuclear bombs are real. Israel would already drop when a neutron hits the nucleus.

[Phil Labonte]

If that's your evidence, then we can move on. Are we, Are we, Do we have callers today?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we do. Let's do it. We got the discord. We got some great chats from you guys in the discord watching live right now. Okay, I like this question for you, Sulaiman. What is your perspective on abortion? If you are pro choice, do you believe it's a bad thing but women need the option because of their situation?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, I'm anti abortion, so I've got the Jewish position on it. I'm like full on against it.

[Tim Pool]

I think Margaret Sanger created Planned Parenthood and she was.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Oh damn. I guess they do both sides. But anyway, but I'm talking about in terms of like the theological, the actual legal position. So I, yeah, I believe it's like life from, from, from conception based.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I agree too. I think abortion is murder and what is it? I saw this viral tick tock where they were talking about, you know, how many people in Gen Z had died and they asked everybody and they're like 30. Yeah, it was 30%.

[Tate Brown]

The Christian Muslim alliance is back. Yeah, it's back on, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Believe it or not, there's a lot of similarities with Christianity and Islam, the West.

[Tate Brown]

All right, let's not get creative real quick.

[Tim Pool]

Islam speaks of Jesus very highly. They don't consider him just a, you know, a magician like some other, you know, religions do. And so the fact that they respect Jesus, I think that.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Which, which, which Christian, like which are you Orthodox? Protestant, Evangelical?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, kitschy evangelical.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, the. Listen, the amount of, the amount of the LARPers.

[Tate Brown]

I'm an OG American.

[Phil Labonte]

The amount of abortions that we that been performed in the United States dwarfs the amount of children sacrificed by the Aztecs.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, that's what I pointed out is so the Spanish literally exterminated the Aztecs from the face of the globe for a child sacrifice level of about 2%. Meanwhile like in Britain, not to pick on Britain here, but in Britain a third of all children conceived in Britain are aborted. So magnitude higher degree. The Spanish literally exterminated the civilization.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What's the percentage in each US?

[Tate Brown]

I think it's about 25% as well.

[Ian Crossland]

You say one out of every four conceptions is terminated?

[Tate Brown]

One out every three.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's even.

[Ian Crossland]

This is last year's number.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

UK is one third then America's one quarter.

[Tate Brown]

And then it's projected to hit half in Britain at this rate in the next like 20 years.

[Ian Crossland]

Are those like, including miscarriage abortions?

[Tim Pool]

No, these are just abortions.

[Tate Brown]

Terminations of pregnancy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, those are considered involuntary terminations. Involuntary abortions.

[Tate Brown]

I don't know what the number is on that. This is just talking about like gone into a abortion clinic and aborted the child.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Remember, UK has almost become like an atheistic country.

[Tate Brown]

It's grim.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

It used to be 75% Christian and the last census, which was five years ago, went down to 45%.

[Tate Brown]

Church of England's asleep at the wheel too.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

They basically all turned atheist.

[Tim Pool]

There has been a little resurgence of Christianity in America.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

In America for sure. But Europe is not Europe's complexity.

[Ian Crossland]

It's just got to be real Christianity. I believe in it you abide by the tenets of the faith, the virtues you actually embody. The seven virtues of Catholicism.

[Tate Brown]

Humility.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Ian, this is the problem is I think that modern Christianity actually been hijacked because if you look at. Even though that's not in, you know, they don't consider it a book of the Bible but the book of Thomas. And even though it says in the Bible in order to follow Jesus, you how to get into heaven, you would give every. Basically, Jesus had a lot of socialism views because you would have to give up everything to follow him. He even said it's easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven. So what we've done now is we have a lot of these prosperity gospels. Drewski had a great sketch. You should pull up the Drewski sketch. We should watch that. And modern day Christianity has been hijacked. It is not what Jesus taught. It's an. It's exact. I would say that it's the opposite of what Jesus taught.

[Ian Crossland]

I thought Islam also, and this would be interesting to get your take had been hijacked at some point in the history of the faith by government and it got twisted.

[Tim Pool]

Let's watch this video. This is why Christianity and this is why it has become. And sadly, this is not what Jesus taught. This is the opposite of Jesus. But there is a church like this, multiple churches in every city in America. So let's watch. Do you want a revolution?

[Tate Brown]

I'm going to have Wanda stand up here, Wanda, please. Wanda told us earlier, earlier this month.

[Tim Pool]

That she could not have a baby anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

So I impregnated her with the word of God.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm going to impregnate everyone with the Word of God.

[Tate Brown]

You gonna get pregnant with the word of God. You gonna get pregnant with the word of God. You gonna get pregnant with the word of God.

[Ian Crossland]

Somebody in the congregation ism. That can be very dangerous where a.

[Phil Labonte]

Bunch of people because they're together and.

[Ian Crossland]

I walk in the blood religion that's doing it.

[Tim Pool]

But it's like, give him some praise.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm a Christian and I walk in the blood of Jesus.

[Tim Pool]

Give him some praise.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know, but it got taken, used it for. By a government for purposes just like the Holy Roman Emperor. And then they got militarized almost.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So I don't think Islam militarized. But the thing is, I mean my opinion is too controversial on this. Muslims are not going to like it. But I do think that Islam was. You.

[Tim Pool]

You're going to get.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Probably get me canceled. But I do think Islam was judified a while ago.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, judified. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

I've been saying.

[Tim Pool]

Like Judaism it is. I mean, if you really look into it, there's are a lot of connections.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So I believe that when it comes to original Islam, whether it's the Quran, it's not. But I think over time. Because Islam isn't just the Quran, obviously.

[Tim Pool]

Because Muhammad didn't write the Quran, it was written after.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, no, in my view, he wrote it. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, well, whatever. He wrote part of it. But I'm just. Okay, let's just say. Okay, let's just say he wrote it all. There were a lot of connections and everybody needs to go watch these videos. There's some great videos on it. If you look at the origins of Islam, it has a lot of Jewish connections.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's get some more discord class.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, we'll get like what we got. Let's get some more. Let's get some more discord callers.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I don't think so.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, afterwards, but not so you don't think before. I think no, I would say Christianity. If you look at Paul, he was Jewish and I would say Christianity is kind of a hijacked version of.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I think Christianity is so different to Judaism as well.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think there's a lot of.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

The way I see it is like the Jesus in the New Testament is very different to like Jesus God in the Old Testament.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Jesus, I mean, I guess we can argue about it, but Paul, you know, is basically the author of Christianity. And Paul never even met Jesus. Okay. All keeping his own description. If Alex is in a plane crash like the movie alive, would he eat a paralyzed person in order to Survive, since they are both a vegetable and meat. I want to know where he stands. Also, would his answer change if the person was also gay, since they would be a vegetable, fruit, and a meat. Ooh, bam.

[Ian Crossland]

This guy's a Russian.

[Tim Pool]

I need to steal this one.

[Ian Crossland]

Who was that by from?

[Tim Pool]

That was avid. That was very good. You know, actually, well, I think about this all the time, like. Because I don't eat people. No, I get no, not eating people, but I'm talking about eating meat. And I always think, like, you know, if we do have another pandemic and they turn off the Internet and they turned off our power and my cats died, maybe I would eat my cat if it was already dead, but I wouldn't kill my cat to eat it. So if I was in the movie alive, I saw that when I was a young kid. Have you guys seen that movie? Tate, you're too young. So it's about the soccer team. I think they're in Buenos Aires or wherever they were. They crashed all in the mountain, and they were stuck in a mountain. And what was is people started to die, and they were all starving, so. So they had this moral conundrum. They had no food. They could start a fight.

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Fire.

[Tim Pool]

And there was a couple dead bodies. So what they did to survive, they ended up eating the bodies. None of them want to do it. They're, like, eating in the movie, crying while they're eating their friend. So, like, two.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Two survived, right, or something?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, no, I think it was maybe more than two people survived, but, yeah, I think it was only two. Yeah, it was more than two. I think it was like five or six. Whatever.

[Tate Brown]

They ate each other, and it was like a day, and then they give up. What'd you guys do?

[Tim Pool]

So my point is, if I was on a mountain, and that's the only way I could survive, live, and I had to do it. I watched that movie. Yes, but I mean, not unless that was in that situation where it was life or death. I mean, I'm not a cannibal. I'm not. What's that? Chrissy Teigen said, oh, I'd like to try human meat now. I'm not like that crazy. But as a vegetarian, if the person is paralyzed already and they're brain dead, that's technically vegetable. So in that weird circumstance, stuck in a mountain, trying to survive, I would eat the person.

[Ian Crossland]

Would you still tell people you're a vegetarian?

[Phil Labonte]

Because they were like, yeah, I wouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

Count as a violation. All right, next question. Prior Lizer da Baby daddy. Okay, well, that's great. This is for you, Suleiman. Should law enforcement enforce laws? If so, what difference does it make if they do it in one city or all?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No. So law enforcement should definitely enforce laws. I think they're referring to the point I made earlier about being a bit more harsher. I just. I don't think that the US has the capability to go into every single city at the same time and basically round up all the illegal immigrants without causing the issues that happen in Minneapolis. That's why I'd make it targeted, where I'd target a specific area first and then build from there.

[Tim Pool]

What do you say to that, Tate? What do you think that law enforcement should enforce the law in terms of ice? I agree. I agree.

[Tate Brown]

It's just a name. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

If it's an evil law, law enforcement has a duty to defy the order.

[Tim Pool]

You know, but see, they won't. During the pandemic, we learned that they won't. They'll arrest you for not wearing a mask. They'll literally not arrest you.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

The people will just join them.

[Tim Pool]

And people will join and people will.

[Ian Crossland]

Be like, well, I now my opinion is that's an evil law, so I'm going to ignore that. And it's like, that's a slippery slope. But Thomas Jefferson was very clear about it. The founding fathers were very clear about tyrannical law and evil law. But it's like, who decides? You know, the masses of the community, essentially.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we're looking up some more questions. Thank you guys in the discord. Please give us some questions right now. You know, this has been an interesting Tim Cast irl. We just want to say that we love Israel so much. Thank you for all the support you have given us. Bibi Netanyahu. You are justified in everything that you do, and I hope that you get pardoned very soon by President.

[Ian Crossland]

We've talked about the Abrahamification of society. I think it's. It's society's got pretty Abrahamified over the last four or five thousand years. All of it Christian, got Jude, got. Got Islam to get. Just got.

[Tate Brown]

So we got the secret sauce Abraham, man.

[Ian Crossland]

What about Taoism? I mean, ain't that the one?

[Tate Brown]

Oh, there's a lot of Hindus now. Kind of part of the problem in America. Big monkey statues. They got their action figures that they play with. It's getting crazy. I don't know what's going on.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Hinduism aside, I think what is it about Daoism?

[Ian Crossland]

You like the flow of nature? I think they figured out what magnet they were Talking about the flow of magnetism in the universe. But they didn't have the tools to measure that magnetism was actually a thing. So they just talked about it. But it's flowing through you. You can feel it even literally.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So we have that in Islam. So we have like there's three components of Islam and it might be, I don't know about semi Christian. It definitely in Judaism, but basically it's what you call it. Again you've got the, the theology. So like believing in God, you know, how is God or theology? Then you got the law, which is the legal aspect and then you got the spiritual aspect. And the spiritual aspect of Islam is that type of stuff like meditation and doing these type of like meditated acts and you know, trying to become spiritually elevated and becoming one with the world and one with God.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, is that, I got more questions. Is that. So there's three like, like just, just vector or three like areas of Islam. There's law, the, the, the theology and then the actual spirit, the spiritual practice itself. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, I like the spiritual practice.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, let's go with more.

[Tim Pool]

We got another one. We need to have a Supreme Court case on gun free zones. It's a Supreme Court ruled twice. The police have no duty to protect. How can they also make it illegal for you to protect yourself and others?

[Ian Crossland]

Who, who is that? It's good to shout out their names.

[Tim Pool]

They're E Gregor. E Gregor. Thank you.

[Ian Crossland]

Sorry Alex, can you say that one more time?

[Tim Pool]

One more time to shout out their name? Igregor E Greger. I don't know. E I G R E G O R. Yeah. I mean obviously Phil believes that we should have a right to carry guns. I mean gun free zones I think are just dangerous for people that are law abiding citizens because there's always going to be people breaking the law that have a gun in a gun free zone.

[Ian Crossland]

My experience in Florida, I've spent months here is I feel so much better walking around outside, looking around, thinking all these people could have guns on them. And they all think I could have a gun on me. And it's really peaceful. So obviously random bursts of crime are always possible. It feels very secure knowing, believing everyone's armed walking down the street.

[Phil Labonte]

New Hampshire has one of the highest per capita gun ownership and they've got a murder rate that's lower than Canada. Same thing with Maine in fact. Not only that, there are more machine guns in the civilian population in New Hampshire than any other state and the murder rates lower than Canada.

[Tim Pool]

SU probably disagrees but I would argue the more guns you have have, the safer you are because people are more afraid of actually using their gun because.

[Tate Brown]

Somebody, you know, let's not beater on the bush too. I mean the demographics of New Hampshire certainly help with the murder.

[Tim Pool]

That definitely helps.

[Tate Brown]

Like let's not you know, let's, let's be honest here.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Okay, let me answer that one because that one I disagree with. But in terms of the first one, the guns. Yeah, I think irrespective. Yeah, I'm gonna answer that one second. But irrespective of what the mode is, people are violent. So I don't think there's any issue with gun. If in the UK like we don't have guns but we've got a knife crime instead so it just ends up being a substitute. And I do agree actually I think guns well as being a smaller guy. I mean I'd much prefer having a gun if someone's going to come at me right now in terms of same brother. That's why in terms of what you said, look, I obviously don't agree. I don't think it's just because of race. I think there's a multitude of factors.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. It's a factor.

[Tate Brown]

It's not everything, but it's not nothing.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know they always say say like Betty White, you know when there's like a mass shooting and I'm sure you know, maybe there are you know, white people that do shootings but I would argue that then lately it's been.

[Tate Brown]

More trans same in the UK it's like knife crime. By whom?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly.

[Phil Labonte]

The term mass shooting though is, has been twisted out, has been twisted outside of what it really means there it used to BE in the 90s there was the, this phrase that you might notal because it was people that, that would take a gun to work and kill multiple people then the left has taken the idea of a mass shooting and say well anytime there's a shooting and more than two people are shot, it's a mass shooting.

[Tate Brown]

But they don't do. That's the problem. If they did do that then we would have like.

[Phil Labonte]

Well that's where it would be like.

[Tate Brown]

A distinctly because they say it's like oh, only white people get mass shootings. But it's like so they. Because theirs is like it has to be like ideologically but they flip flop.

[Phil Labonte]

On it because they'll. When they're, when they're arguing against guns.

[Tate Brown]

Well because like, like, like in Chicago there's mass Shootings all the time. But it doesn't make the news headlines the same way as if it was like, at a work.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So who does Moscow shootings?

[Tate Brown]

Well, if you can.

[Phil Labonte]

If you Factory trans people.

[Tate Brown]

Now, a lot of it's black. Like, a lot of it.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

No, I mean actual school shooting, not mass shootings. Because you said mass shootings are just at 2 or higher. And you.

[Tate Brown]

That's what I mean. So I'm saying. But the left, when they're trying to say, like, it's only white people that commit mass shootings, it's because they have a very narrow definition where it's like.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they don't count.

[Tate Brown]

That shooting is just multiple people shot.

[Phil Labonte]

No, but that's. That's the point. So if they'll use the term. They'll use the phrase mass shooting when they're talking about gun violence or when they were actually talking about we want to. To strengthen gun laws. Because they'll say anytime it's more than two people. But there's this distinct difference between a mass shooting at a school and the term mass shooting brings to mind Columbine, parkland, people, you know, a bunch of kids getting shot. That's what people think of when you hear mass shooting. But what they're talking about is people at a party at night, someone. Someone shoots up, shoots at someone at a party, and two people get hit because there's a dude behind him. And they say, well, that was a mass shooting because multiple people got hit. There was one intended to target. Right. Or maybe it was gang violence. But they say that's a mass shooting when it's convenient. But then when they're. When it's not convenient in your context, they'll switch the meaning to be two groups.

[Ian Crossland]

Sorry, two groups, and they shoot at each other, and three people get hit is mass.

[Phil Labonte]

They would call that a mass shooting because again, the. It. But it depends on the context. If it's in the context of we want to pass laws, we want to pass gun control laws, then they'll use that as a mass shooting.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

And just to answer your point, I think it's because of social. I think it's based on poverty and a few other reasons. Everybody exhibits violence, but in different ways.

[Tim Pool]

We have a question for you. Somebody said, if you're not American, why do you feel like you have the right to tell us how to run our country?

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I'm gonna tell you because I teach you a better. But not. Jokes aside, I think it's what I.

[Tim Pool]

Said in the last thing is why won't he focus on the uk.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, so I do focus on the uk, but I think what it is with the United States of America, it is just so important. Important from a number of perspectives. Whatever America decides impacts the whole world. America has decided to value Christianity a lot more. UK start following suit, America starts speaking about illegal immigration. UK is copying them. Anything America does, the world follows in addition to that. So that. That's from a cultural perspective. Then from a political perspective, anything that America decides, whether it goes to war, whether it doesn't, UK follows suit. UK is basically America's puppy dog. And then the third thing is, whatever decisions America makes impacts the global market, and we're all part of the global market.

[Tim Pool]

All right, good answer. All right, last question is, somebody said Alex can get more videos of you at city councils and what is it? School board meetings? Yes, I'm the pimp on a blimp. I got a new show on Real America's Voice where I'll be going all over the country. City councils, school boards, you name it. I'll be there in my tuck friendly bathing suit, going insane for the Ukraine. All right, guys, this has been the episode so far. You know, I think we've had some spirited debates, you know, but I would like to, I guess, give all of us a chance to kind of wrap things up. So with that being said, Suleiman, you have the floor.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, thanks for having me. Really appreciate it. It's been fun. It's been enjoyable. Really good conversation. You can find me on YouTube. Sol. I. I started, like, a new YouTube channel, quite new. Anyway, I've only been doing it for a few, like, a month, I think, or two months. Suleiman Ahmed X. Where I give the latest geopolitical news and obviously I run my spaces on there as well.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So find me on there. That'd be brilliant.

[Tim Pool]

Well, thank you. Sh. Man. What do you got, Ian?

[Ian Crossland]

I got Graphene Movie. If you haven't been there yet, go to Graphene Movie and check out the trailer for the upcoming nanotechnology documentary I'm working on. Graphene Movie. That's Graphene Movie. Also, sign up for the mailing list. If you haven't yet, put your email address in there and follow me at. Ian Crossland. It has indeed been a spirited debate. Here's to many more to come.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, why is graphene bad again?

[Phil Labonte]

It's gonna jump over the table.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

What?

[Ian Crossland]

It's dark.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

You've been hanging around with this guy too long.

[Ian Crossland]

Graphene. It's really graphite. Graphene is the red Herring and graphite is really where it's at right now. Well, you know, it's all hot, though.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't. Didn't Tim have on that Augustus Derico guy that, you know, they're just spraying in a sodium. You know, people thought you like that guy.

[Tate Brown]

He's a buddy of mine.

[Tim Pool]

You see that? See, I can already tell. Why, T. Because he's so young. Because, first of all, he's ginger. Well, well, that's part of. He's kind of a globalist, which.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Have you heard about that? Where anesthesia doesn't work on you guys.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Also, our.

[Tate Brown]

Our temperature sensitivity is much higher, so, like, I can't handle. Handle hot plates or cold.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I mean, I've been. Well, you might not know this about me, but I'm the biggest advocate of gingers because they get a lot of abuse and a lot of hate. They say they're soulless.

[Tim Pool]

Some chicks are kind of hot.

[Tate Brown]

Sorry. Thank you for going to bed. I'll lighten up my Pakistan.

[Tim Pool]

Real quick because the show's almost over. Well, how do you like a guy spraying stuff into the sky? You don't know about chemtrails. You don't. You think that's cool? And then he's classic.

[Tate Brown]

This would be a whole different debate.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm just saying he was cloud seeding less than 24 hours after horrible flood that killed a bunch of children. And he went on a podcast tour saying, oh, we had nothing to do with. We were just cloud seating right before it. It's like, dude, I don't want anybody manipulating the weather. I don't want Israel doing it. I don't want Augustus Deo. I don't want anybody doing it. So, yeah, I mean, he's not based at all. He's a fad.

[Tate Brown]

Augustus is doing it. So then Israel doesn't have it where he. He's supplanting Israeli clouds. I think he's very base.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, he's attacking Israeli dominance.

[Tate Brown]

You know, it's funny because if you're anti Israel. You kidding? That's probably better.

[Tim Pool]

I'm a lot older than you, but I remember in the summers in Texas when I played high school football, it didn't rain for like 70 days. And then now the summers in Texas is raining like crazy.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

So I huge concerns about people messing around.

[Tim Pool]

They're definitely manipulating the weather, and I think that that's very dangerous for human beings to play God.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Yeah, true. Agree.

[Tim Pool]

Phil.

[Tate Brown]

Tape X and Instagram at Realtape Brown, we got two installations of across the Pond Coming up for the weekend with Connor Tomlinson. And on Sunday, we had Nathan Halberstad joining and we discussed sort of general Zoomer nihilism, especially with the discussion of Trump, obviously, you know, barring institutional buyers from the housing market potentially. So we broke that down and sort of the fact that zoomers can't actually feel like they can own homes, the implication that has on Zoomers and contributes to nihilism that's just plaguing our generation. So be on the lookout for those two episodes again. They're going up on the Culture War Channel tomorrow. The episode goes up on Connors and then Sunday goes up on the Culture War Channel. So do not miss it. It's gonna be great.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. We are going on tour this spring, in May or in April. We start April 29th. We'll be in Albany. We're gonna go out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes. The band is all that remains. Check us out on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

And we want to thank our sponsors, Bear Skin. Is that correct?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, bearskin.

[Tim Pool]

And I said bearskin. Everybody go buy bearskin. And I just want to say thank you to BV Netanyahu one last time for everything you do for our country. Sorry we haven't started that war with Iran. I hope we turn into a parking lot very soon for you. And, you know, maybe you guys do run the world, but, hey, you guys are the ones that deserve to do it because you're the smartest, most beautiful, and the most talented. So we love you, Israel. Say you love Israel, Suleiman, one time.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

Never ever say it.

[Phil Labonte]

Why not?

[Tim Pool]

You can't say you love Israel, Brav. Dude, we're going to get canceled. Just say it or they're going to.

[Phil Labonte]

We're going to get canceled.

[Tim Pool]

Israel.

[Phil Labonte]

Is very hot.

[Tate Brown]

Go to Hadrian's Wall and pray on that. That's the middle ground. It's a great wall.

[Tim Pool]

Go to the one in Jerusalem. I don't even know where the hell go to it. No, your soul gets into heaven by kissing it. Or do they believe in heaven? I don't know.

[Suleiman Ahmed]

I forget you don't have a soul.

[Tim Pool]

But I'll tell you what I do have is I have love for you. The viewer at home. Make sure to hit that, like, button. Hit that subscribe button. And Tim is in jail. When he gets bonded out, he's going to be back on this show. He's in jail for murder. Somebody was in front of his car and he actually ran him over. Unlike that Renee Good, Tim doesn't mess around. He hits the gas hard and he does not stop to the person is smashed like a bug. So with all that being said, thank you for watching Tim cast irl.

[Tate Brown]

We love you.

[Tim Pool]

Peace and good night.