MS-13 Story BURNS Democrats, Media PANICS Tries To Get Off Immigration Story w/ Tara Palmeri

Summary

Timcast IRL Podcast Summary: MS-13 Story Burns Democrats, Media Panics to Divert from Immigration Story with Tara Palmeri
Release Date: April 22, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guest: Tara Palmeri

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Introduction

The episode of Timcast IRL, hosted by Tim Pool, delves into the contentious immigration story involving an MS-13 gang member, Abrego Garcia, and explores the Democrats' response, media narratives, and internal conflicts within the Department of Defense (DoD). The discussion features Tara Palmeri, an independent journalist with extensive experience in both traditional and new media.

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Key Topics Discussed

1. Immigration and Deportation Controversy

• Tim Pool [00:38]: Opens the discussion by highlighting the recent actions of four Democratic senators traveling to El Salvador, signaling potential political repercussions. He emphasizes the declining public support for illegal immigration, citing a Pew poll where 83% of Americans favor deportations to some degree.

  “Most Americans don't want illegal immigrants here and they want them deported.” ([00:38])

• Senator Chris Van Hollen's Position: Tim notes that Senator Van Hollen is retracting his support for Abrego Garcia, framing it as a commitment to due process rather than outright condemnation, despite prior leniency.

  “He’s not vouching for the guy. He’s just concerned about due process.” ([04:28])

• Democrats’ Shifting Narrative: The discussion covers how Democrats are struggling to maintain their stance on immigration, with attempts to redirect media focus to other stories when public support wanes.

2. Pentagon Leak and Signal Gate Scandal

• Allegations of Leaks: The conversation shifts to allegations that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth faces rumors of being fired due to internal leaks within the DoD. These rumors stem from anonymous sources claiming second instances of Signal Gate, where classified information was allegedly shared via private chats.

  “This is a fake story. It’s not the second Signal Gate.” ([10:03])

• Tara Palmeri’s Insights [10:32]: Palmeri provides context, explaining that the leaked information was shared among high-ranking officials, including Hegseth’s wife and personal lawyer, raising concerns about national security.

  “He is a very powerful person. He had an ability to walk in the door and a side door into the Oval Office.” ([34:19])

• Impact on National Security: The podcast discusses the potential ramifications if classified information about military operations is leaked, referencing past incidents where journalists embedded with military units compromised sensitive information.

  “Information providing indication or advance warning that the US or its allies are preparing an attack is classified.” ([74:23])

3. Media’s Role and Bias

• Debate on Journalistic Integrity: A heated exchange unfolds between Tim Pool and Tara Palmeri regarding media bias. Pool accuses mainstream media of prioritizing partisan narratives over factual reporting, while Palmeri defends journalistic accountability and the importance of exposing wrongdoing.

  Tim Pool: “This is what separates me from them. And that’s what separates the new media sphere.”

  Tara Palmeri: “I do believe at the core of journalism, it’s to bring information to light that protects people.” ([66:49])

• Use of Anonymous Sources: Palmeri emphasizes the necessity of anonymous sources in investigative journalism, countering Pool’s skepticism about their credibility and intentions.

  “If it’s real, they should report it. They should still report Signal Gate 2 if it is real.” ([44:30])

4. Other Political Issues

• Andrew Cuomo’s DOJ Referral: The podcast briefly touches on the criminal referral of former Governor Andrew Cuomo to the Department of Justice over his handling of COVID-19 nursing homes, with Pool expressing skepticism about the likelihood of an indictment.

  “Most people actually don’t care. Trump has no reason to fire Hegseth over a few texts that we don’t even know if they actually exist.” ([41:26])

• Media Corporate Influence: The discussion critiques how corporate media influences political narratives, often exacerbating partisan divides and prioritizing sensationalism over nuanced reporting.

  “The issue with the corporate press today is that intelligence actors have been doing this for a long time...” ([105:25])

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Notable Quotes

• Tim Pool [00:38]:
  “Most Americans don't want illegal immigrants here and they want them deported.”

• Tara Palmeri [04:28]:
  “I just think you have to bet on yourself in life and let’s go.”

• Phil Labonte [05:52]:
  “The point of Supreme Court citizenship is falsely interpreted and does not exist.”

• Tim Pool [41:34]:
  “They have an ax to grind, and it’s a disgruntled employee.”

• Tara Palmeri [66:49]:
  “Populist journalism is about protecting the masses.”

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Conclusions and Insights

• Democratic Vulnerability: The episode underscores the precarious position Democrats find themselves in regarding immigration, as public opinion favors stricter deportations, forcing the party to navigate between maintaining principles and responding to voter sentiments.

• Media’s Partisan Shift: There is a clear critique of how mainstream media may sometimes prioritize partisan angles over objective reporting, potentially undermining public trust and exacerbating political tensions.

• Security and Transparency: The Pentagon leak scandal highlights the delicate balance between transparency and national security, raising questions about internal safeguards and the implications of leaking classified information.

• Journalistic Responsibility: The debate between Pool and Palmeri emphasizes the ongoing struggle within journalism to uphold integrity, manage biases, and responsibly handle sensitive information amidst a highly polarized political landscape.

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Final Thoughts

The episode of Timcast IRL presents a deep dive into the intersection of immigration policy, media narratives, and national security concerns, all while navigating the complexities of journalistic integrity and political partisanship. Through the discourse between Tim Pool and Tara Palmeri, listeners gain insight into the challenges faced by Democrats, the role of the media in shaping public opinion, and the critical importance of accountable journalism in today's politically charged environment.

Transcript

[Tara Palmeri]

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[Tim Pool]

So four more Democrats are flying down to El Salvador and it's not good news. Already Democrat Senator Chris Van Hollen is backing away from his support of Abrego Garcia, saying he's not vouching for the guy. He's just concerned about do, do, do due process, despite the fact that previously the dude almost referred to the guy as an American. That's how insane they've been getting. This story is eating Democrats up because most Americans don't want illegal immigrants here and they want them deported. Now, you can take a look at cnn, you can take a look at Echelon Insights, but we got a poll from Pew. 83% of Americans want deportations. Not all, but at least to a degree. Right. So you'd argue when you're talking about who you want deported. How about wife beating Ms. 13 gang members? That on your list? Probably most Americans are okay with this person being deported. So now we're seeing the Democrats try to shift away and the media trying to pick up another story. Pete Hegseth. He may be getting fired, they claim in rumors based on one anonymous person. Even though Trump said he's not going to fire the guy. And they're claiming that there's another signal gate happening with no evidence. They are so desperate to get off this story, it seems they're trying to go back to an old one. So we're gonna talk about that. Plus a bunch of other stories from the day Trump says he's gonna start collections on student loans. Again, sorry if you didn't get that Forgiveness. He's saying no to Biden's plan. Before we get started, my friends, we have an awesome sponsor. Yo, it's bear skin. Check it out, guys. You wanna go to B A E R? It's. It's B a e r bearskin60.com you'll get 60 off. Check it out. It's. I'm sorry, bearskin60.com right? So I'm sure you've heard of the bearskin hoodie. Guys are all over YouTube. They make really great outdoor hoodies, but they also make awesome outdoor gear in general. And they just released the bear skin heavy Storm rain jacket. I gotta say, the jacket looks pretty cool. It really does. I think I'm gonna get one. But let's be real. Either your rain jacket is good at being waterproof, but then it's a big and bulky and hard to pack or your rain jack is kind of small and dainty and easy to pack like a poncho. But then it really doesn't last in heavy rain. That's where bear skin heavy storm packable rain jacket comes in. This thing's got a 10k waterproof rating, fully taped seams. Ooh, and that's interesting. And it folds right into its own pocket to a 4x5 inch pouch, which is insane. It's got four waterproof pockets, adjustable hood, waist and wrist. So no rain sneaking in even when it's coming in sideways. Whether you're out hiking or just commuting and don't trust the forecast, this jacket's a no brainer. And right now if you go to bear skin, you're going to get hooked up with 60% off. Go to b skin60.com Again, that's beskin60.com 60% off. The last rain jacket you'll ever need. Very cool. And also, don't forget to pick up some cast brew coffee. I got to admit, it's the best coffee. I mean we made it. But you know, I went to a coffee shop earlier and I'm not going to rag on them, but it was bitter and gross. I will wreck on Starbucks. I go to the their coffee is always burned. And that's. I know that's not just me. So we sell Casper coffee. Pick it up. Ian's graphene dream is a big favorite. We've got the Appalachian nights rise with Alberto Jr. And don't forget the delicious Misty Mountains. Big news it looks like for the Culture War live events. We've got our lineup set. Will Chamberlain vs. Pisco Liddy debating the Abrego Garcia case with actual legal documents. And this culture War live will be May 3rd. So it's about two weeks from now and y'all will be able to join us on the debate stage. I believe we may have one or two tickets left. Probably sold out. But if you are a member of the timcast.com discord you can actually submit your view of the debate issue and we will invite you on stage to join the debate. Think kill Tony meets jubilee. That's the plan. So we're really excited to announce that. Don't forget to smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know joining Us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Tara Palmeri.

[Tara Palmeri]

Hey, Tim, thanks for having me.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. Who are you?

[Tara Palmeri]

Great to be here in West Virginia. I kept thinking of that, like, John Denver song, which I love. Who am I? I am a journalist that has gone independent. I've worked for 15 years everywhere from the Washington examiner and the New York Post to ABC News where I was White House correspondent. I've been in new media at Puck. I spent a year and a half just investigating the Jeffrey Epstein scene crime and doing podcasts on that. I just had a podcast, political one on the Ringer Network with Bill Simmons. So I've just decided I am going to try to follow your, your footsteps and try to create a media empire. I'd say I'm a little minnow next to you, but thanks that you quit. I already did it. You know what, like you just say, I quit. I'm doing it on my own. I think you have to bet on yourself in life and let's go. Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Very cool.

[Tara Palmeri]

So thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

[Tim Pool]

It's going to be fun. A lot is here.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Hey, everybody. Good evening. I am a lot Elahu. Tim Cass, White House correspondent. Tara, I'm really excited to hear from somebody with so much experience in the journalism space, both establishment and now in the new media space. And it's just funny seeing the old media people saying they look up to Tim now. Crazy how things work.

[Tim Pool]

But, but is this confirmed, the press pool for tomorrow?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

It is confirmed.

[Tim Pool]

You're. You're on it. We can announce that we will be.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I'll be in the pool with Donald Trump and I believe you'll be in the new media seat tomorrow.

[Tim Pool]

If there is one. Right?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

If there is.

[Tim Pool]

We're supposed to say that.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

A briefing if there is one.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know that we're supposed to say that, are we?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Well, we don't know if there would. Well, how's it going over there?

[Shane Cashman]

Is that suit mandatory? A lot. They're gonna take this. They're gonna take the suit back a lot. I am Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live. We go live on YouTube and rumble every Sunday at 6. 6 o'clock. What is up, Phil?

[Tim Pool]

Hello, everybody.

[Phil Labonte]

My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go. From media ites Democrat senator tells Fox News he's not vouching for the man in a Breco Garcia case and will support a court deporting him. Now, this is a huge turnaround from a guy who dang near nearly called him an American and then. And stopped himself and then called him a resident. And with the media screaming to the high heavens. Maryland father for a Democrat senator who is leading the charge to come out be like, I'm not vouching for the guy and I'm okay with him being deported now. Wow, Talk about a heavy 180. Now, the issue for Democrats, Democratic Senator Van Hollen, is simply the issue of due process, not the Ms. 13 gang member accused of mercilessly beating his wife on more than one occasion. I think it's fair to say that they walked face first into this one. And here's the best part. Four more Democrats are going down there. This is not, I don't, I don't know what they're thinking with this. You know, we are going to be having a debate in the culture war going over all the legal documents, which I believe shows he's gotten his due process. But the American people, like, of all of the things Trump has done, immigration is his most popular issue. Why are they, why are they setting themselves up like this for?

[Phil Labonte]

To make me laugh, because I needed a good chuckle.

[Tim Pool]

Democrats are sitting back and they're like, what can we do that'll make Phil laughter?

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely. I mean, it's hilarious. They're, they're, they're falling over themselves, siding with the worst people that are here that are. Their, their whole story is irredeemable. Like, he's here illegally, he's probably a member, or he's, he's alleged to be a member of a gang, but it's been multiple courts that have said it, I believe, and I believe. I don't remember what the other, the other person or the other organization that made allegations that he's in a gang, but they're reputable organizations. There's his, his, his ex girlfriend is, has filed charges or at least made claims of abuse.

[Tim Pool]

Ex girlfriend did.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't remember if it was his wife. Oh, it's his wife. Okay, my bad. All right, so fair enough, fair enough. But this only goes to my point.

[Tim Pool]

He.

[Phil Labonte]

There he is. Totally unlike.

[Shane Cashman]

You're not a Democrat's favorite voter.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right. Wait, wait, Shane, Shane, do you want to read that? The first sentence of that paragraph right there.

[Shane Cashman]

My old man glasses.

[Tim Pool]

Old man glasses. Just starting with at. Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

At a master calendar hearing, the respondent through council admitted the factual allegations contained in the NTA and conceded removability as charged Should I keep going?

[Tim Pool]

Based on the respondents admissions and concessions, the court found his removability to be established by clear and convincing evidence as required by INA 240C3. So this is the, the document from 2019, August 9th and 20th of September 27th where they again confirmed he was to be removed. However, not to El Salvador because a gang in Guatemala was threatening to kill him. This is the story. A Guatemalan gang was threatening his family and they didn't feel that they could be protected in El Salvador. Now the question, the only question that needs to be asked based on this is can he be deported somewhere else? The answer is yes, of course. And so then the error that the Trump administration made. They were supposed to have a USCIS interview with Abrago Garcia before sending him home and they didn't. But on the Alien Enemies act he was allowed to do it. So you know, we've, I feel like this horse, I would argue that we've beaten the dead horse on this story, but Democrats won't shut up about it. So let me just say we've ground the horse into glue at this point because I don't know how many times we need to point out that this guy was found deportable credibly an MS.13 gang member now accused of beating his wife. And I guess I'll put it this way, we could have opened this show with the Hegseth signal gate story, but.

[Tara Palmeri]

We'Ll get to that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but it's a fake story. It's not the second signal gate. No, the fake story.

[Tara Palmeri]

The story about how the Department of Defense is a total mess. I mean his former spokesperson is saying you, you know, on the record that. What exactly did he say? Month from hell inside of the Department of Defense. That's concerning. And this is a guy who worked for Trump in 2016 too. This is not just some like lefty spokesperson that he inherited from the civil service. This is a true MAGA believer who was like, oh come on, who else.

[Tim Pool]

Worked for Trump in 2016?

[Tara Palmeri]

And there are a number of other people have come out.

[Tim Pool]

20 in his 2016 term, 2017.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why would he have hired him to be his chief Pentagon spokesperson and lead the communications at the nsa? If he didn't believe that this guy.

[Tim Pool]

Was legit, why were there three people leaking information to the press?

[Tara Palmeri]

Listen, you got to take this.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Allegedly. And the three in the article that the. Was he a chief of staffer?

[Tara Palmeri]

He was the chief Pentagon spokesperson until two weeks ago.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah, he wrote an op ed in Politico where he Actually denied those. The three advisers that, that they ever leaked anything. So I want to add allegedly here because I do feel like lawsuits are coming. All of these guys were trying.

[Tim Pool]

Allegedly.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

All of this is very much allegedly. And all this is also allegedly because they allegedly leaked documents about attacking Iran to try to preempt and try to prevent the strike by leaking it out there early. And that. And that could be a part of the problem at the Pentagon. But it is unusual for this guy to be resigning or probably fired and told to resign and then have this happen. I don't think we'll see any shakeups there.

[Tim Pool]

What are your thoughts on the Grego Garcia story, then?

[Tara Palmeri]

On this story? I mean, it's, it is a hard one because I do think that politically. No, no, I think it's a. It's politically. You're right that the, the immigration story is on Trump's side. I mean, he was, he was elected to seal off the border deportations. I think that the due process is the part that the Democrats are arguing about. Like, they want to make sure that there is due process. And obviously the halting. This is the guy who was the hairdresser. Right. The makeup artist. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

The wife beating ms.13 gang member.

[Tara Palmeri]

Got it. All right, then I am not fully up to date on this one. I was.

[Tim Pool]

The hairdresser is a fake story, too.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why is that one fake?

[Tim Pool]

Because they're not asylum seekers. You don't travel from Venezuela through the entirety of Central America, come to the United States and say, now I need asylum. You go to Mexico, you go to any other country. It's typically expected of any asylum seeker to go to the first safe country they get to. So for Venezuela, that was the, that.

[Tara Palmeri]

Was supposed to be remain in Mexico under Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So this guy, he's like, venezuela is dangerous for me. I better travel through all these other countries.

[Tara Palmeri]

I have no doubt that he tried to get into the US Illegally and live here illegally. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then, and then when, when he, when he went through, it's. It's an, it's an executive hearing. We call them judges. They said his, his tattoos are MS.13. And he got deported to El Salvador to that portable for Ms. 13 gang members.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. And they confirmed that he is an MS.13 member.

[Tim Pool]

So he was found to be an MS.13 gang member in the standard procedure by his crown tattoos on his, on his, on his wrists, y, which the left is arguing are just crowns. And they're not Ms. 13. And so I would just.

[Tara Palmeri]

They want him to have due process, essentially. Right.

[Tim Pool]

What is the due process of an illegal immigrant?

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, I think that they have the right to immigration court. Right.

[Tim Pool]

And they did.

[Tara Palmeri]

And he lost.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. He is deportable. And he had crowns.

[Tara Palmeri]

He lost during the Biden years. Right. Is that right?

[Tim Pool]

I'm not entirely sure.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, well, I think that'd be interesting to find out because, I mean, you might say, oh, the Trump's administration is. Has different criteria.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

It's.

[Tara Palmeri]

Listen, I can't really debate this one in the same way, because I knew, I thought it was the Maryland hairdresser that we were talking about, our makeup artist.

[Tim Pool]

It wasn't Maryland, was he?

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, California. Oh, the makeup artist was in California.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Tara Palmeri]

But the point is, you're right.

[Phil Labonte]

Any. There's so many illegals that have come over since, you know, since Joe Biden took office and stuff. So there's probably a Maryland hairdresser that's here illegally.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So you're probably close to Maryland.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think I'm conflating it. Yeah. You know, I'm conflating it because you, you know, this. They. Yes, some Democrats are doing this. And I do question. I mean, I think there's just a fear that it's happening so quickly and so recklessly and that people are not getting their due process in the, in the process of it, especially when they're saying, we are going to support homegrowns.

[Tim Pool]

They are getting their due process. Do you think? Every one of them.

[Tara Palmeri]

Then why would the judge halt the guy that was being deported to Venezuela?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Right. So why you roll your eyes? Okay, so here's a question for you.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why still a judge? Why has Trump, even if he's an activist judge, if you want to say that he's still a judge, but he.

[Tim Pool]

Still gave you a reason, it's that they're political activists who are trying to obstruct Trump. That's your answer. Why is Trump received 40% of all universal, let me, Let me phrase. Unconstitutional universal injunctions?

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, I think that 81 out of, like, definitely. He was definitely pushing the boundaries of the Constitution. He tried to get rid of. What was it? The birth.

[Tim Pool]

Birthright citizenship.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, he tried to get rid of that. He said he didn't try.

[Tim Pool]

He is actively doing so now and it's going to court.

[Phil Labonte]

But the point in the. And the point of Supreme Court citizenship.

[Tim Pool]

Is falsely interpreted and does not exist.

[Tara Palmeri]

He is pushing the limits of the Constitution every single day.

[Tim Pool]

In what way?

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, with that alone.

[Tim Pool]

But the Constitution says.

[Tara Palmeri]

And also by defying, by Defying a judge's order, whether you don't agree or not, like, you should have halted that plane and put the person down and then gone through the Supreme Court side.

[Tim Pool]

With him on that. And the appeal, the Supreme Court sided with him.

[Tara Palmeri]

They allowed him to be deported.

[Tim Pool]

Supreme Court said no one can direct the executive branch to commit to engage in foreign policy. And so the issue was he should. Should Abrego Garcia be returnable? They should facilitate his return. And the argument from the, from the conservatives is, or from Trump that if he were to try to come back to the U.S. trump must facilitate that return. Otherwise, we have nothing to do with it.

[Tara Palmeri]

But then there's just like these random guys, like these German tourists that didn't have a booking on, you know, in Hawaii, and they are suddenly getting deported. I just think there's a feeling like. And then you're seeing students on the street just being, like, muzzled, basically, and deported because of their political activity on universities. And that's a little scary. I'm sorry, though. I mean, it is, because, okay, first of all, you're a free speech guy. You are out there Occupy Wall Street. What if you were, like, misidentified and deported and you were an American the.

[Tim Pool]

Entire time and Americans been deported?

[Tara Palmeri]

It could happen, sure.

[Tim Pool]

And if it does, it'll be a problem. But for the time being, all the enforcement's been under the law.

[Tara Palmeri]

But even if you're not an American and you're. Don't you think that, like, part of the rights of being in this country are free speech?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Not if you're a leader, I don't think. I think it's scary that non Americans are in our country calling for violence on campuses, and the campuses aren't doing anything about it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. I mean, that's on the universities for sure. They should be dealing with that.

[Tim Pool]

So. So in the case of Mahmoud Khalil, this is a guy who was organizing what, what, Whether it was intentional or otherwise, violent protests where employees were attacked and threatened, buildings were taken over, Jewish students were attacked on campus, and even people presumed to be Jewish.

[Tara Palmeri]

He direct people to attack Jewish people.

[Tim Pool]

Doesn't matter. He organized the event. So if you organize a parade, if you organize a dance party, but then your dance party robs a bank, you're getting in trouble for it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, maybe you're not going to be.

[Tim Pool]

Charged with robbing the bank. They're going to say, like, whatever, you were involved at this.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. You're kind of a conspirator.

[Tim Pool]

I was going to RICO you and you're going to jail.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think it's rich how the Democrats have just been speed running through these different causes. First it was Mahmoud Khalil and then they means tested it quickly and realized, oh, wait, this guy isn't good for us. Then they moved on to this most recent gang member that they said wasn't. And have you seen his tattoos on his knuckles where they're trying to say like he is not. This isn't supposed to be a simple.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean this is standard operating procedure.

[Tara Palmeri]

Always happens on both sides of the aisle. They pick their like political person that they get behind, you know, and if it's like it's either like Lake and Riley now it's Mahout Khalil murder. I know, but this is cynical political shit that they do. It's on both sides.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't, I have a problem with both sides. Argument.

[Tim Pool]

What do you, what do you mean? Like, why is it cynical?

[Tara Palmeri]

It's cynical because this is what they're doing. Like they are taking one person's example and they're blowing it up.

[Phil Labonte]

But he's a legit criminal and we have 20 million.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to agree with you 100%. Agreed. The conservatives prop up a young woman who was murdered by a, by an illegal immigrant criminal gang member. And, and the Democrats prop up the criminal illegal immigrant gang member. I know which side I'm on.

[Tara Palmeri]

It's.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, cynical or otherwise, you're right. The Republicans are like, this poor woman was murdered by these evil, you know, criminal gang members. And the Democrats are like, please don't hurt our criminal illegal gang members. It's, it's.

[Tara Palmeri]

I can't, listen, I can't really argue on this topic to be completely fair with the, the topics. I haven't.

[Tim Pool]

Ok. So, so, so I'm not going to.

[Tara Palmeri]

Argue in favor of these people because I don't even know their full history.

[Phil Labonte]

Take the individual specific people out of it.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

You look at the, I know. Look people that the Democrats champion and what tends to happen after all of the information comes out.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, right.

[Phil Labonte]

The guy that, that they were championing that ended up getting all what's the town, Kenosha burnt down. The man was trying to kidnap kids. He had a knife. The police shot him. And then Kamala Harris goes and takes it.

[Tim Pool]

A woman.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean like he's trying to kidnap kids. He insulted them. He had a cop.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. They have to do.

[Phil Labonte]

It was a quote unquote good shoot. And Kamala Harris goes and takes pictures with him. Right.

[Tim Pool]

And NFL players Put his name on their helmet. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

George Floyd was, Was. Had committed a crime. Right. And he died in police custody.

[Tara Palmeri]

That was like a nothing.

[Tim Pool]

He was chewing a speedball behind the wheel of a vehicle. Yes. And when the police removed him, he. They brought him to. To. To the vehicle to be arrested. You could watch all the body camera footage. This is all in the, in the video. And he, he fought them.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And he said, put me on the ground. Put me on the ground. Put me on the ground. So they pulled him out of the vehicle and put him on the ground.

[Tara Palmeri]

They didn't kill him on the ground.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So.

[Tim Pool]

Let me finish. A few minutes later, Derek Chauvin shows up having no idea what's going on and performed what the Minnesota police trained him to do. Because even the defense showed this in the continuum of force argument in the criminal trial for Chauvin. He was told to do that. So he shows up, there's a guy on the ground, he has no idea what's happening. They say, do the restraint. Says okay. They put the. So you know how it's bunk. The cop who is simply standing in front of people, his hands up, not involved in the Chauvin incident at all, just off to the side. They put him in prison for life. Why?

[Phil Labonte]

And then the Ahmed care.

[Tim Pool]

What was true. They just want to lock them all up.

[Phil Labonte]

And the Ahmed Arbery case, that. That guy, Ahmed Arbery, he had been. He committed burglary. The guys that, that shot him, they were going to. It was a bad law, an old law that they were.

[Tara Palmeri]

What do you guys want me to say? The Democrats pick bad cynical political characters.

[Tim Pool]

That's the point. But the right.

[Shane Cashman]

But the right is. The right is maintain, sustain safety in order right now. And the left promotes.

[Tara Palmeri]

The question is like, when do they overstep the boundaries?

[Shane Cashman]

Well, right now, going back to what a lot of saying was speedrunning these different people is like what we were talking about before the show. Democrats are desperate.

[Tim Pool]

Let me have this.

[Tara Palmeri]

And things are just happening so fast and furiously. And that's why I think there's a lot of concern.

[Tim Pool]

So.

[Tara Palmeri]

And the way it's happening, it's like kind of.

[Tim Pool]

But we voted for. Indeed I did. When we were getting the show ready, I pointed out that we often without. For the past due process.

[Shane Cashman]

We just talked about illegals.

[Tim Pool]

I got the court document right here for a braggarcia that says he admitted to removability. So the question is, did he get. Was he warranted a USCIS interview before final deportation? The answer is yes. But their argument is, at first we made an error in doing so without checking for this. However, under the Alien Enemies act, we are allowed to get rid of them regardless. So, but the point I was going to make a moment ago, when we're setting up the show, I was pointing out that we often try to find a prominent individual that represents a core of the story or the parties involved. There are no Democrats. This is, this, is this what it took us. We were at. It was 7:52. We finally got the thumbnail up because I was like, I guess Trump, I guess Trump's the only political character who's involved in the news. There's Van Holland, but he's backing away. There's no Schumer anymore. There's no AOC anymore. There's no Kamalas, no Biden. There is no Central Democrat Party.

[Tara Palmeri]

Those. And arguably those members that you saw in that picture, even though I'm not fully aware of the story, like, they are more from the progressive wing. They are not really from the party.

[Tim Pool]

There's no leadership.

[Tara Palmeri]

They don't want to back these. They don't want to get involved in this fight because like you said, they don't know the.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

But even I think Cory Booker was even virtue signaling, at least saying that like these, these deportations were wrong. And specifically on the, the gang members too. I think. I don't, I'm not a usual believer of Trump's 5D chess, but it almost feels like he is baiting Democrats into defending these otherwise. These otherwise. I mean, yeah, because. And then it always comes out like, oh, they defended this guy. They said there was no way he was a gangster. Let me ask you, his wife covered up his knuckles in all of these pictures because it was like obvious that he had MS.13 written on his, on his knuckles. And the Democrats couldn't do their research to find that out. Like, before deciding to.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you a question.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think that Van Hollen and these other four Democrats that are going down to El Salvador are doing so with the intent to influence the foreign government of El Salvador into taking action on their behalf?

[Tara Palmeri]

Maybe. I don't know. I mean, so, you know, because I think the president of El Salvador is. So, you know, so what do you.

[Tim Pool]

Think the Democrats want? If they're not trying to, they're trying.

[Tara Palmeri]

To draw attention to it. But here's the thing.

[Tim Pool]

Are they said, have they stated anything about wanting the government to take action?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, of course they have.

[Tim Pool]

So wait, so the Democrats have publicly stated they want else.

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, I Haven't read it. Like you're asking me to talk about a story I really don't know that much about. I'm just speaking in general, but I know.

[Tim Pool]

Let's just. Let's hammer the quick details. This is not a gotcha. It's literally the Democrats, there's now five. Have they made requests of the El Salvador government to do something?

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Anybody?

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know. I haven't.

[Shane Cashman]

I just think they're going down for a photo shoot.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. I mean, that's what I was.

[Tim Pool]

What was the thing?

[Tara Palmeri]

They're trying to draw purpose, to draw attention to it.

[Tim Pool]

They've actually said what their intention was.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know, but I'm just saying.

[Tim Pool]

Does anybody want to. Want to get. Because I know everybody who listens, who's listening right now in the audience knows exactly what the Democrats said about this trip.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think Van Hollen said that he wanted to have him back. The Democrats wanted him to come back. All of that.

[Tim Pool]

Said that.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah, that's what they wanted.

[Tim Pool]

All of them said that their purpose to go down was to get him back.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

To get the foreign government to take an action pertaining to US Foreign policy. And then all of the violation of the Logan Act.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Which specifically states any US Citizen, wherever they he may be, who with, without the authority of the US Directly or indirectly, commences or carries on correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer, any agent thereof, with the intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the US or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years.

[Tara Palmeri]

Can I just.

[Tim Pool]

Donald Trump explicitly set forth a deal with El Salvador's government pertaining to US Foreign policy under the Alien Enemies Act. That is the direction and purview of the Executive branch, their entitlement, their right under the Constitution. These members of Congress are in direct and overt violation of the Logan Act. I believe that we need to see some action by the doj.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, they're trying to do a reverse alien. Gonzalez.

[Tim Pool]

Lock them up. Yeah, lock them up.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, here's the thing. So these four Democrats of members of Congress, some of them young, freshman, ish, progressives, they go down there and they stage their political, you know, photo op, whatever you want to call it. The rest of the party, you have like, someone like Gavin Newsom saying this is a distraction, and they kind of know they're being baited. Trump sets the story up every morning. He did this for the press. When I covered him for the first four years of his administration, he send out a tweet and he would literally say to his staff, watch the libs. I'm going to own the libs today. You know, overreact. So they're starting to think to themselves, maybe we are missing the boat by overreacting. This is a distraction. We cannot jump onto every single thing that gives to them there.

[Tim Pool]

I think this.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Because even. Do you think Cory Booker is one of these far left progressives? Yes, I think he's kind of.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No, no, as far as. As far as Democrats go.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yes, I think as far as Democrats go, Cory Booker is a moderator.

[Tim Pool]

Did you hear he came out recently as, like. I mean, everybody thought he was gay, but.

[Shane Cashman]

But Zaria was set up like that was a. A beard.

[Tim Pool]

Well, okay, everybody thought Cory Booker was gay, but apparently he was at like an event where he was asked by some gay people, like a trans person, and he said something about we, the LGBT community. Oh, yeah, it was something like that. And then it was glossed over, like nobody really paid attention that he was saying that he was lgbtq, just like.

[Shane Cashman]

Barack Obama, I think.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Wait, that one.

[Tara Palmeri]

Because I remember seeing that clip online. I don't think that he was coming out it.

[Tim Pool]

My point is he said we in the LGBT community. I'm paraphrasing ally.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, there's a letter in there. A for allies. So he may have been.

[Tim Pool]

There's no a in ally for lgbtq.

[Tara Palmeri]

Lgbtq. It's like a. There's, I think allies.

[Tim Pool]

Asexual.

[Tara Palmeri]

You guys are killing you for real. Wait, there's definitely an ally.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, there's not.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yes, there's something in the show today.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Wait, but all of that is to say. I don't think. I think you're mischaracterizing the Democrat Party. I don't think it's just the far leftists in the party. I think Cory Booker is a moderate Democrat, and I think it's. It's wide ranging throughout the party. And I think you might be missing the pulse of what's going on.

[Tim Pool]

Let's get to the story. You know, let's. Let's get to this.

[Tara Palmeri]

Let's.

[Tim Pool]

Let's talk. Let's talk exeth. Yeah, we've got this story from npr. The White House is looking to replace Pete Hegseth as Defense Secretary. Okay. That's the story. Rapid response as lies from npr, which we all know is a fake news propaganda machine. So the story they've been pushing is that there's a second signal gate. Leakers have been fired. And now you've got this op ed from. This is Politico, former top Pentagon spokesperson, details month from hell inside the agency. Now, there's a couple arguments here. Yeah, this is a fake news story. Hegseth is not going to get fired. Trump already spoke in his defense, but I'm not sure who was pointing. I don't know if it was you, Shane, earlier, about Matt Gaetz. Trump also pointed that out.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. That he. Trump kept backing Matt Gaetz until he could no longer.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. So maybe there is an argument that Trump is just trying his hardest not to see Hegseth out. The other argument from the right is that the deep state is trying to heavily influence the removal of Hegseth.

[Tara Palmeri]

That guy who wrote that op ed is not the deep state. He is a guy that Hegseth hired. He's a political staffer. That guy, John. He is a political staffer. He was a senior communicator, communications adviser on Trump's 2016 campaign. And the other people, they are all political. They are not deep state.

[Shane Cashman]

So does that mean he's good?

[Tim Pool]

How does that mean? What does it mean? They're not deep.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, then if he's such a good manager, why would you hire a guy?

[Tim Pool]

Question. Why did Trump hire people?

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, then why is Trump hiring Pete Hegseth? And it goes up the chain.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, Trump hired a lot of bad people in his first term, and many people were concerned about the hires that were going to come in in the second term. Yeah, he's done a pretty good job. But I'm not surprised to see that the firing margin is a bit lower than what we would have seen in 2016 had he learned his lesson.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So, yeah, I think what's actually going on here is that within the Trump administration, there are rumblings between the more isolationist and the more hawkish camps. And this is manifesting right now through the debate on whether or not we should strike Iran preemptively at their nuclear sites. So I think the some of Hexath's staffers allegedly leaked out the Iran plans early to the New York Times and and other outlets in hopes of trying to, like, help prevent the plan. So, like, it's really those two sides knifing each other within the administration. And then there's also, like, the Democrat and left media that's taking advantage of these internal conflicts that are going on to try to kind of capitalize it is how I see what's going on right now. So that doesn't mean the administration or the Department of Defense is in complete disarray or the Pentagon's in complete disarray. I think it's people trying to knife each other in, in the back more than anything and want to influence the way the administration goes. That doesn't mean Hexaf needs to be fired.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think be surprised though, if they are putting this out there themselves.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

But do you understand the context behind how it goes?

[Tara Palmeri]

And then. Because maybe something big is coming. Well, maybe there are text messages again, like signal gate and everybody.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Well, these were high ups.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me, let me give you the stupidest conspiracy that of all of it. If you don't want to go to war with Iran and the deep state's gonna try and force your hand, just throw the Pentagon into disarray and they can't false flag you into one.

[Shane Cashman]

I like that.

[Tim Pool]

And I did say that was the stupidest conspiracy theory, by the way. Yeah, because like, you know, right now the concern from the right is that we're gonna get forced into a war with Iran. We saw the story that Israel was trying to go the US to join them in a strike. The US backed off. Trump said, no. Tulsi Gabbard said, don't do it. Israel said, we're gonna maybe do it a little bit anyway. If there is some kind of attack or false flag or who knows what if the Pentagon is broken, we're not getting involved in that war anyway. So if you had a functional Pentagon. And again, I'm stressing this is a stupid conspiracy theory, it's probably not true at all. I'm just saying if a false flag were to happen, we would be publicly pressured into a conflict we don't want to be involved in. However, with the Pentagon broken, the response is going to be like, unfortunately, due to the disarray with leadership, we can't formulate a proper response to what happened in the Middle East.

[Tara Palmeri]

Can I just say what is probably really happening? This is like Veep, okay? Have you guys seen Veep show it's a fucking disaster in government knows what they're doing. More likely than not it is people who have no idea what they are doing.

[Phil Labonte]

This is the one thing libertarians get right, you know?

[Tara Palmeri]

Do you ever remember that crazy too, though?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, they are.

[Tara Palmeri]

Do you remember that line? I don't know if you remember that line when she's like, something happens in Yemen. They're like, when life gives you Yemen, you make Yemenade. And it's like, you can't even make that shit shit up. But this is just like.

[Phil Labonte]

That's only one step away from the reset, but the misspelled reset button that took over.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So, regarding Iran, the administration has repeatedly said that he cannot allow them to get nuclear weapons. So I think that's why a lot of this stuff is coming to a head now, as I think we're going to see this weekend as well. Negotiations continue. Whether we'll see them actually go anywhere has yet to be seen. I don't think the admin is also going to get rid of Hex Seth, because once you get rid of one of these top guys in the administration, one of these secretaries, that means everybody's kind of on ice, kind of opening the floodgates for other people to be fired.

[Tim Pool]

Now, hold on, hold on.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

He was so much political capital.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

But to just throw.

[Tim Pool]

What about a less stupid conspiracy theory that if Hegseth were to be fired, they would get an acting SecDef? And that could be anybody Trump wants.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I mean, I thought Pete Hegseth was.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, also. He's already outlasted Mike Flynn. Let's not forget that. The National Security Advisor who went out on February 14, 2017. I remember that was a horrible Valentine.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Nobody's been fired yet in the administration. None of the higher ups.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, is that true?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah. Think of one.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, my God.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Exactly.

[Tara Palmeri]

Wait a minute.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So that's why he's trying to keep everything together. Because if Pete Hegseth gets fired, other people could be, you know, on the.

[Tara Palmeri]

Chomping box, and they spent like $10 million to get him to confirmed he's.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Solid on everybody on his cabinet. Also, with the Walt story, you could have hypothetically kicked him out for that signal gauge story. I mean, if he wanted to get him. If he wanted to get rid of that story really quickly, he could have just booted him out, but he chose to stand by him. So I suspect Trump's going to stand by Hegseth throughout all of this.

[Tim Pool]

I do think it may largely be fake news, specifically because, as you were mentioning, I think it was you saying this, that the Democrats are just speed running through all these different. These narratives and these individuals trying to latch onto something, and they don't have any strong case against the Trump administration.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, come on. Signal Gate was a fucking disaster.

[Tim Pool]

It did not resonate with a single person.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, I know. Okay. I interviewed Laura Loomer for my podcast. Okay. And you.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Oh, the most.

[Phil Labonte]

You did.

[Tara Palmeri]

You might. Yes, I did. I just had her on Thursday. And you may say what you want to say about her, but she's very close to the President. She's a very powerful person.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think we have anything bad to say about Laura.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay. All right.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no, she was saying that she's powerful and close to the President.

[Tara Palmeri]

She is. She had an ability to walk in the door and a side door into the Oval Office, and she had the ability to essentially take out six very powerful people in the national security apparatus. Overruling. Overruling Mike Waltz. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

And actually when she showed up in Washington, she told me this has never been reported, but she had a video of Mike Waltz from 2016 speaking very poorly about Donald Trump. And we'll have it in the, in the podcast. You should check it out on my YouTube channel at Tara Palmieri. But yeah, she, she had, she came there to kill Waltz. Waltz walked in the door just in time because she knows like he's 78 years old, Trump, and she's got to show him the video. And so Waltz walks in the door. So I, she told me that Trump is not happy with Waltz and she told me there's a lot of inviting in the administration.

[Tim Pool]

You think he'll get fired?

[Tara Palmeri]

Listen, I don't think she would have gone on my show and talked like that if she didn't think he was already on ice.

[Tim Pool]

So this, this may be ultra incorrect. I don't, I don't disagree. I'm just saying that the American people don't care about the inner workings and the minutiae. Signal gate.

[Tara Palmeri]

He is a national security adviser.

[Tim Pool]

And I go to Times Square and ask someone about signal gate. What are they going to tell you?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, but that doesn't matter. You know how people are safe in Times Square. The way that people are safe in Times Square. A target, by the way, is because of the national security. Right, right, right, because of that.

[Tim Pool]

But again, someone that if you go to a member, if you go to a random tourist from anywhere in middle America, let's say you go to Times Square and you're looking for American citizens specifically.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, but God, but then you don't even know the like capital of Maine.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, that's the point. And they vote. So when you go to them and say, what are you really worried about? They're like these gang bangers all over the country. Anybody Trump supporting him. I like that.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, but would they be worried about going to Times Square if there were terror attacks there all the time?

[Tim Pool]

There were.

[Tara Palmeri]

We didn't have a national security apparatus.

[Tim Pool]

And there still are. And it's gang members.

[Tara Palmeri]

Like, it's a lot safer than it was.

[Tim Pool]

Trend Guy got arrested for shooting a gun in Times Square at people.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, I want. Fine.

[Tim Pool]

So, yes, they're going to be like.

[Tara Palmeri]

I want to tell you what it's like to live in a country where you do not feel like you are safe. You know, the national security apparatus does not work. I lived in Brussels. No Brussels. I lived there from 2014 to 2016. I was covering. I was covering the EU. Okay. And while I lived there, there were so many terror attacks between Paris and Brussels from the. The terrorists, the homegrown ISIS terrorists that were there. And the bomb went off in the airport. I was there at the airport. The bomb went off in the subway below my office. We were under lockdown for weeks. Sometimes we were told we couldn't leave our house. There was the Charlie Abdo shooting. There was just random plowing of people in. In resorts in France, in Nice. It was a terrifying place to be. And the reason that this was happening was because they had no real national security apparatus. They could not protect their country with its open borders where people were able to go in and out through the listen. And you know how they were and you know why you haven't heard of a mass terrorism account, Something that happened in Europe recently, like a mass terror attack in Europe. There was one in Germany recently. It's because they got the help of the FBI. It's because they got the help of the CIA. It's because like got. They got the help. Security apparatus.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So I mean, yeah, I think there are issues with some of the way the first signal gate stuff happened. But can you walk me down the logic of how Times Square is therefore not safe? You know, Mike Walsh mishandled in a part of a signal chat. Right.

[Tara Palmeri]

Person is in charge of security, then our nation's security is at risk.

[Tim Pool]

Security adviser.

[Tara Palmeri]

He runs like the cyber command. He runs everything. He runs.

[Tim Pool]

Your bigger concern is probably Kristi Noemi. But more importantly, the issue that I.

[Tara Palmeri]

Brought up, maybe cash battle issue that.

[Tim Pool]

I brought up specifically, I don't know, will Trump earn favor among voters which will benefit him in the long run?

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't care about that. I care about being safe. I care about government.

[Tim Pool]

And so. And so you agree with my point then? Yes, but regular people in this country, they will care about this.

[Tara Palmeri]

They will care when they are not safe. That's when they care. Are you kidding? You are absolutely care.

[Tim Pool]

You think that people are going to know what the NSC does?

[Tara Palmeri]

They may not know what the NSC does. But they may know that they don't feel safe under the Trump administration.

[Tim Pool]

So what do they.

[Tara Palmeri]

That means the buck stops there.

[Tim Pool]

What do they want?

[Tara Palmeri]

They want safety.

[Tim Pool]

And how do they get it?

[Tara Palmeri]

Through a team that works for the law enforcement. Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

But if you deportations of trend.

[Tara Palmeri]

That are going after people everywhere. We have threats from everywhere. We have threats from Iran, we have thoughts from Japan, not Japan. We have China, we have threats from Russia. We have threats from everywhere. Everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

Every single day that was brought up was this story matters little to the American people.

[Tara Palmeri]

I am not. I didn't forgot about this story. I care about the people that.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know what you're arguing.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm talking about. I'm more. I'm telling you that if you don't think it matters who has these jobs.

[Tim Pool]

I said the American people don't care about this story.

[Tara Palmeri]

Whether they don't care about the story. They should worry about who has the job.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. But they don't. So if you want to argue they're they're factually incorrect in their and their priorities. True.

[Tara Palmeri]

You only care about something until it doesn't work. And you know that you don't care about your car until you can't turn it on.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you care about your car. You need to use it every day.

[Tara Palmeri]

Exactly. And you need security every day.

[Tim Pool]

Is that of all of the of the principal issues polled, immigration is where Trump is winning this story. They shifted off of immigration and trying to go somewhere else.

[Tara Palmeri]

They're actually connecting immigration to the signal gate. I don't see how they're connected.

[Tim Pool]

Let me try and help you out.

[Tara Palmeri]

That's dhs.

[Tim Pool]

Uh huh.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay. And then that's.

[Tim Pool]

Slow down, slow down. Because if you're confused I'll need to speak.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, tell me.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. Regular people care about immigration. Democrats are trying to get off the immigration story because they lost. That's so they're so they've shifted into something that doesn't matter at all. Potentially a second signal gate. No one cared about signal gate except politicos.

[Tara Palmeri]

I can agree with you that there are people that exist that do not know who the national security adviser is. There are people that. And that is the luxury of being in a country that functions. And that's why I was bringing up Brussels. The luxury of working in a country that truly functions is that you don't have to go to sleep at night worrying about making sure that there is security, making sure that there is not a terror threat where you live, that you know that the subways are constantly being monitored by FBI that they are constantly, you know, tracking.

[Shane Cashman]

Just got raped in New York City.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Okay, Tara, can I follow up again, though? At the worst case, mishandling of some classified information to now Times Square is not safe.

[Tara Palmeri]

It reflects a lack of competence. Reflects a lack of competence.

[Tim Pool]

And regular people don't care about that.

[Tara Palmeri]

They don't care about competence until incompetence affects them.

[Tim Pool]

And I don't think the NSA will affect them.

[Tara Palmeri]

All right, we'll see. I hope. I hope that you said that I'm knocking on what? And I hope that. Because I hope that we never have to.

[Tim Pool]

And the only point I was making is that Democrats are attaching to a low value story because they're desperate for something to go against the administration on.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't think the point was they seemed like a bunch of kids.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, the point. The point.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm my age. I'm like, what are you saying? Okay, you have no experience. What are you doing?

[Tim Pool]

So anyway, will Pete Hagseth be fired? My point is probably not because this story is low value and not as. Not nearly as big as more comes out. How about I finish? Yeah, the story is not nearly as big as people think it is. Most people actually don't care. Trump has no reason to fire Hegseth over a few texts that we don't even know if they actually exist. So why are all these big outs running?

[Tara Palmeri]

They didn't deny it. They actually. They actually confirmed it.

[Tim Pool]

So why are all of these big outlets running a story of little interest? We've already had signal.

[Tara Palmeri]

Wait, I just want to correct. You said that it didn't. You said that they didn't exist. He already.

[Tim Pool]

I said don't know if they exist. They came from anonymous sources.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, Trump acknowledged it himself. And so did the nsc. He acknowledged it. He said it's going to happen, and the NSC acknowledged it.

[Tim Pool]

The second signal gate.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, the second signal gate.

[Tim Pool]

If you stop talking for two seconds. You've heard what I said.

[Tara Palmeri]

The second signal gate. As if it's not. As if the first one wasn't bad enough. We'll see what happens. I listen.

[Tim Pool]

I was the first one. Bad.

[Tara Palmeri]

I would not be a boy.

[Tim Pool]

I was the first one.

[Tara Palmeri]

Listen, Tim, be a boy scout for this administration because you don't know what's coming.

[Tim Pool]

So what? So you're arguing we should lie because we were worried Trump would do something bad?

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not saying you should lie. I'm just saying I don't think you should defend him. So Hard until you know it's coming.

[Tim Pool]

I don't. I think the funny thing is I.

[Tara Palmeri]

Might have egg on your face in literally three days.

[Tim Pool]

You are so emotionally attached to the liberal.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not. I'm not emotionally.

[Tim Pool]

Can't even stop talking for a second.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not emotionally attached.

[Tim Pool]

You are.

[Tara Palmeri]

I listen. You can't stop talking.

[Tim Pool]

So the point I was trying to make is that this story is an old story.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Signal Gate happened two weeks ago. Why are they back on an anonymous claim of Signal Gate 2 now in.

[Tara Palmeri]

Signal Gate 2, it is alleged that his wife and I think is alleged.

[Tim Pool]

By anonymous source until it's confirmed. So right now there's no story. Why are they running this front page?

[Tara Palmeri]

Because it's important and it matters. And I bet you I know those reporters and I bet you that it's true.

[Tim Pool]

And then why is Van Hollen now saying, I'm not vouching for this guy. I'm okay if he's.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't see how those.

[Tim Pool]

That immigration being the number one issue among Americans, they're winning on Democrats and the media are shifting off of a story and they're going backwards to a previous one.

[Tara Palmeri]

I am not a partizan. I will not defend the Democrats. Okay. If that's what you want me to do.

[Tim Pool]

You are doing it.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, I'm not. I will not defend the Democrats. I'm actually a reporter. I don't even vote when I cover elections. I didn't vote in this.

[Tim Pool]

Why? When I said.

[Tara Palmeri]

All I am telling you is that national security and competence matters. Because. Because the whole idea, you just keep like you keep pulling things from here and then you bring them there and you try to tie them together, but they're not related. The.

[Tim Pool]

All I am saying, I just think you actually.

[Tara Palmeri]

All I am saying is. No, I can understand. What you can't understand is what I'm trying to say, which is that competence matters in.

[Tim Pool]

I do, but you're off in some other world. Tim, let's go back in time. The issue we brought up at the start of this.

[Tara Palmeri]

I just don't. Yeah, sure, go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

The issue I brought up.

[Tara Palmeri]

Keep talking about the Democrats and media, but go ahead. Sure.

[Tim Pool]

The issue I brought up at the top of the show was that the immigration story has backfired on Democrats. Echelon, Pew and CNN all came out with polls showing the American people are happy with Trump's job.

[Tara Palmeri]

Correct.

[Tim Pool]

Signal Gate was two weeks ago.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't. Okay, go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

They've now shifted to an anonymous claim with no evidence of a second Signal Gate. The point I brought up was not to defend Signal Gate, was not to defend Donald Trump.

[Tara Palmeri]

So you think they shouldn't report on it?

[Tim Pool]

My point was that with Senator Van Hollen coming out and saying, I'm okay with Abrego Garcia being deported, now they're backing away from a story, and the corporate press is now shifting the news cycle back onto Signal Gate, which was two weeks ago.

[Tara Palmeri]

Fine, maybe they are. But if it's real, they should report it. They should still report signal gate 2 if it is real.

[Tim Pool]

And so they should wait until they have corroborating evidence.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think that what those reporters have. They probably have corroborating evidence, because I know those reporters. They are probably.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe one day they'll share it with us.

[Tara Palmeri]

And you know what?

[Tim Pool]

Actually, Otherwise, I'll just believe everything they say, no matter what.

[Tara Palmeri]

I would. I respect those reporters. I know them and I trust them. And I'm sure that they probably do have that. But in the meantime, why wouldn't they.

[Shane Cashman]

Share their corroborating evidence?

[Tara Palmeri]

Because it would probably expose their sources.

[Shane Cashman]

But if it's that important of a.

[Tara Palmeri]

Story, why are we. Here's the question, guys. I don't. This whole idea of, like, the mainstream media is, like, trying to draw the narratives one way or another. Fine, whatever. Maybe there are people who want you to look one way or another. But at the end of the day, why would you want to censor a real story?

[Shane Cashman]

Who said that only wants to censor the story?

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, you're. I think that we shouldn't cover Signal Gate. Like it doesn't matter. You're saying Signal Gate two doesn't matter. You're like, who said that? Who cares? Because Americans don't care about it.

[Tim Pool]

That's literally never been said once.

[Tara Palmeri]

You said that most people don't care about signal.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And so we shouldn't cover it. I never said that.

[Tara Palmeri]

Just because Americans don't care about it, we shouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

We should tell people that we were covering it. We're literally on a big show to millions of people covering the story explicitly.

[Tara Palmeri]

But you think there is a conspiracy in which the. The. The.

[Tim Pool]

I think the Democrat political party and their consultants are going over their polls and saying, van Holland, this is hurting you. You need to back off it. He goes on Fox News, of all places, and says, I'm okay with a Garcia being.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm sure they are indeed. Yeah, I'm absolutely sure.

[Tim Pool]

And we're in agreement then.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. But the fact that that has anything to do with signal gate is what I struggle to understand.

[Tim Pool]

So Democrats have started propping up this.

[Tara Palmeri]

Story, okay, which is a real story. It's not a prop up.

[Tim Pool]

It's a real story with a single anonymous source.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't think it's a single. I want to read the story actually really quickly so we can actually make this clear on air so that it's so that I hope you're not disparaging these people without actually looking at it.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, let me find out how many journalists will.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I was trying to talk about it earlier. There were a few advisors to Pete Hegseth who were, who were fired allegedly for leaking. That's what the administration and Secretary Pete Hegseth said of four.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry, four people with knowledge of the chat.

[Tara Palmeri]

That's four people, not one. Anonymous.

[Shane Cashman]

What is knowledge of it mean?

[Tara Palmeri]

You said it was one and now we know it's four. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Okay, well we don't know it's four because we don't know the four people are. They're anonymous.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, well listen, if you understand anything about journalism, sometimes you have to use anonymous sources. It's just a fact. Okay. And you first you said it was one anonymous source, now it's four. So let's get the story straight, okay? And it includes his wife. And I just want to see how the, I want to see how the White House responded to this. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

It's very easy to make you believe a thing, isn't it?

[Tara Palmeri]

No, it's not actually, because I know these journalists and I know that they would go with, they would only go with a story like this.

[Tim Pool]

Has the New York Times published falsehoods before?

[Tara Palmeri]

They may have. And I'm not going to say one.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Pulitzer, One Pulitzer's for it. Walter Duranty.

[Shane Cashman]

There's no famine.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not going to.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Not Sarah, I guess.

[Tara Palmeri]

Wait a second. Can I just say one thing? When the first signal gate came out, okay, can we just all acknowledge the fact that Hegseth denied that it was real and that it was anything and he said those chats weren't real and he just said blatant lies on tv and then Trump acknowledged it an hour later.

[Tim Pool]

What did he say?

[Tara Palmeri]

Hold on, I'll pull it up. Let's roll the tape, as they say. I just don't think you guys should be like defending these guys like this. It's just going to. You're going to.

[Tim Pool]

I think, I think the interesting thing is you conflate stating true thing with defense of Trump.

[Tara Palmeri]

Ok, deny signal. Here it is.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Is stating true thing, defending Trump.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, here we are.

[Shane Cashman]

No, I guess.

[Tim Pool]

I guess there's a lot of things.

[Shane Cashman]

I criticize the administration all the time, just not for this.

[Tim Pool]

Pieces come out.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

That's.

[Tim Pool]

That's from today, actually.

[Tara Palmeri]

That's from today. Okay, that's.

[Tim Pool]

That was denial.

[Tara Palmeri]

Let's see. Oh, he says one when he was in Hawaii. Yeah, this was a good one.

[Tim Pool]

And he was like, this is an old story. They're bringing it back up again. Talking about a deceitful and highly discredited so called journalist who's made a profession of peddling hoaxes time and time again to include the.

[Tara Palmeri]

They couldn't even get their denials of.

[Tim Pool]

Russia, Russia, Russia, or the fine people on both sides. Hoax or suckers and losers. Hope so. This is a guy that pedals in garbage. This is what he does. I would love to comment on the.

[Phil Labonte]

Houthi campaign because of the skill and.

[Tim Pool]

Courage of our troops. I've monitored it very closely from the beginning. And you see, we've been managing four years of deferred maintenance under the Trump administration. Oh, that's right.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Sounds like you're misquoting him, Tara.

[Tara Palmeri]

You have to wait for the whole thing.

[Tim Pool]

Our ships couldn't sail through.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

First.

[Tara Palmeri]

He disparages.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think it's the right video.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

There was no denial there.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he was just insulting the guy.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, so then he gets the one where he denies it, but just, just.

[Phil Labonte]

So like, I don't know, I want.

[Tara Palmeri]

To find it because he denied it and then.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but I'm still cool with him just sliming the guy. Totally fine with me.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why is it. Why is it cool just to slime somebody.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Constantly?

[Tara Palmeri]

You guys, Is he lied because Goldberg.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Was a purveyor of the Russia?

[Tara Palmeri]

Actually, can I ask you guys, you guys are like a bunch of badass journalists or media guys.

[Phil Labonte]

Not at all.

[Tara Palmeri]

You're not. Okay.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I am.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm okay.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Wait, I'll take that.

[Tara Palmeri]

You were on. If you were. If you were on this chat, would you actually. Would you actually report it?

[Shane Cashman]

If what?

[Tara Palmeri]

If you were on the chat, would you share it?

[Tim Pool]

What? I would have contacted.

[Phil Labonte]

Yo.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not supposed I was included in the single chat. I'd say, hey, guys, discontinue. Wrong person. I actually have the text. The text. I have the phone numbers of many of these people.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, me too.

[Tim Pool]

And if. Indeed. And if they texted me, I'd say, guys, wrong chat. Boot me out. And they'd say, whoops. And there'd be. There'd be no story. There's no issue.

[Tara Palmeri]

Your information about war plans against the Houthis in Yemen. Let me make sure it's the right.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Sarah, you better have this quote right if we're running through all these videos.

[Tara Palmeri]

Nobody was texting war plans. There we go.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Phil Labonte]

Who was that that said that, though?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No. Now, it depends on how you define.

[Tim Pool]

War plans, because the whole thing, semantics.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Now, it always is.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, was it war plans or was it war attack?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Tara, how would you respond to somebody who says, hey, these are just three. Wait, you didn't finish that. This. Like Pete Hegseth and others in the administration were saying that these are just a few disgruntled employees. John Juliet, he said he resigned, but, you know, he probably could have been asked for his resignation. These guys are probably because they probably got caught allegedly leaking, which is what Hegseth said. So if these guys were found to be the leakers, it would be worth firing them, correct?

[Tara Palmeri]

I think if they were leaking classified information, yeah.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Do you believe that these guys were involved. Do you know the story enough to comment on that part? Because these guys were, again, allegedly involved in the leaking of the war plans.

[Tara Palmeri]

The. Which. The Iran war with.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah, about Iran.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not going to comment on that. I don't know.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Okay, so I feel like, again, like we're leaving some parts of this story in the dark now, because is, again, is the department in disarray or is it in disarray because there are leakers? And Trump. And President Trump now is fixing it because there are leakers. And this is making it better. Not in disarray, if anything. Right. Like, I'm trying to flesh this through. There were leakers in the Department of Defense. Right. In the Pentagon.

[Tara Palmeri]

We're assuming these people are leakers.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Allegedly.

[Tara Palmeri]

Allegedly.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

You saw the reports from the New York Times. The New York Times. Somebody in the Department of Defense was leaking. Pete Hexseth said it was them and fired them as a result of it. Now they seem to be disgruntled.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. Now they're all of this now. Now they're disgruntled.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

And you got, like, people in the media are opportunistically using this story to try to veer narratives off of, you know, what they think might be dispopular elsewhere. But is this making sense to you as I'm running through this?

[Tara Palmeri]

Like, it makes sense.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So isn't it a good thing that they got fired, allegedly, if they were leakers? Like, isn't it not disarray, it's repairing.

[Tara Palmeri]

The only thing I think is good about it is if that they now feel like they can talk about what they saw. I do think that if you were. I'm. I'm still in shock that if you guys were on this chat, you wouldn't have shared it.

[Tim Pool]

Why would I.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Don't.

[Tim Pool]

Wait.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

For real.

[Tim Pool]

You have sources that you would. You would expose. You would expose private sources. Private information.

[Tara Palmeri]

That wasn't a source relationship thing. That was a. That was a. I am watching classified information. That is like. Almost like walking. Someone doing a crime.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you someone.

[Tara Palmeri]

You walked in on someone. How would you not cover that?

[Tim Pool]

Can I ask you a question?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Why. Why do you have the phone numbers of government officials?

[Tara Palmeri]

I have sources.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. If they accidentally texted you private information, you'd report that?

[Phil Labonte]

You want to say their source?

[Tim Pool]

Come on. Come on.

[Tara Palmeri]

I have to say if it was an accident, I might. I might reach out to them. But that was not what happened to them. That's not what happened.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean? They accidentally included Goldberg on this?

[Tara Palmeri]

The reason that he decided to go with this one is because of the way they were communicating classified information.

[Tim Pool]

What was classified?

[Tara Palmeri]

All of it.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, come on.

[Tim Pool]

They said it wasn't classified.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That's not an answer. Are you dealing in facts or opinions?

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, you should be the one who's talking.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. I'm asking the question. And we have an official statement from the executive branch and their plenary classification powers that it wasn't classified.

[Tara Palmeri]

They can declassify also.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed they can. So when they say it wasn't classified, it's not.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, if Trump decides it's not classified, then it's not classified.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. So my question.

[Tara Palmeri]

You have wanted those people in Yemen or our service members to be exposed by that information. And if, say, which information.

[Tim Pool]

Which information?

[Tara Palmeri]

The. The plans for.

[Tim Pool]

What was the plan?

[Tara Palmeri]

What was we talking about exactly? How they were going to attack these people in Yemen.

[Tim Pool]

What were the. What. What. What. What details are you referring to?

[Tara Palmeri]

All of the details in that plot. In that.

[Tim Pool]

You know the details.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, I'll read them, actually.

[Tim Pool]

You're going to look them up? Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know them.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think I do? Okay, then tell us what F18s and launch times. No targets, no personnel, no locations. So whether or not much more detailed.

[Tara Palmeri]

Than that, it had. It was date, it was the time. Listen, I'm going to pull this up.

[Tim Pool]

The reason why they argued it wasn't classified is because the launch of vehicles. I'm sorry, I think it was vehicles, not weapons. No, Specific targets and an unspecified locations. And so they argued this is not privy. This is not classified information. In fact, on top of this.

[Tara Palmeri]

And why did he share it with.

[Tim Pool]

Them anyway with other members of the Cabinet?

[Tara Palmeri]

The people that needed to know where were Mike Waltz and they were in.

[Tim Pool]

A conversation about whether they were going to carry it out.

[Tara Palmeri]

Very much even happened. But would you want. Would you want anyone to have that information before it happened?

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you a question.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Why. Why does. Why does the military let Richard Engel embed with him on military strikes?

[Tara Palmeri]

They. But they have agreements when you do that. I've been. I've been. I've done that kind of thing before. You can't report it before it happens.

[Tim Pool]

How come it wasn't a big story that Richard Engel brought his personal cell phone to Syria during the Assad missions?

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know about this story.

[Tim Pool]

And this is substantially worse than signal gate will ever be. It was never a story. Richard Engel, correspondent for NBC News, carried his personal cell phone into Assad territory, giving away all US intel to a foreign. To a foreign adversary. And not a single journalist cared at all. And now they're going signal gate. And I'm like, so someone accidentally got texted vehicles in an attack that everybody knew was going to be happening at some point because Trump said they were going to do it. And so it's not a pretty moment, I suppose, to accidentally loop the journalist in. But I will add, the government brings journalists in these conversations all the time and their security compromised unintentionally by these individuals. And not a single journalist will ever call out one of their own.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, here's one.

[Tim Pool]

Still waiting for any journalist to call it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Richard Engle, VP building collapsed. Had multiple positive.

[Tim Pool]

Which building where?

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm just reading the text. Where time now 11:40. I'm reading the texts that you say are just like nothing. 11:44, weather is favorable. Just confirmed with Centcom. We are a go for mission launch. JD Vance, the strongest reason this doesn't matter anyway what he says. All that matters what Pete Hegseth says, because that is obviously the here you can see. Blah, blah, blah. I mean, am I gonna have to sign up for the Atlantic to read this one? Establishing a principles group for coordinating on who these particularly. No, guys, don't. Don't laugh. I'm gonna read through it all.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody left.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, to be fair, we've gone over this probably 17 times.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, but I'm just saying you minimized it. And we're like, yeah, it's Just like a text message. It's no big deal. Just friends chatting. This was a smart attack.

[Tim Pool]

It's a question of is it classified or not. So the information given, which is surprising to me is at first I thought, did they include Goldberg on purpose? Because this is actually routine stuff. I've been given tons of privy information from government sources often. And they say just don't repeat. It's off the record.

[Tara Palmeri]

Every single person's number on there. And like the chief of staff and the vice president and the c. Like the entire national security apparatus essentially on there.

[Tim Pool]

I think you're a hypocrite.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, sure. Thank you for the name calling.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm describing a behavior you just engaged in.

[Tara Palmeri]

What is that?

[Tim Pool]

That you say, I can't reveal sources, that sometimes they have to be anonymous. I wouldn't expose my sources. That's why we don't reveal their information. Then Goldberg gets given privy to access to a communication and you're saying, I can't believe you guys wouldn't have shared this. Indeed. I know people who work.

[Tara Palmeri]

But it wasn't intentional and they were sharing. Okay, but I want to my question, would you.

[Tim Pool]

Would you expose your private sources if they accidentally sent you information and you didn't know you didn't have an answer?

[Tara Palmeri]

I. It depends on the situation. And I don't think I would expose my. My sources. But if it was this situation where he was mistakenly added to a chat that include. This is a rare situation.

[Tim Pool]

Why not just be like, guys, take me off.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, here's this. Weather is favorable. Just confirmed with centcom. We are go for a mission launch. That was at 12:15 F18 launch. First strike package. Trigger based F18 first strike window starts. Target terrorist is at his known location. So should be also Strikes drone launch. MQNs 14. 10 more F18s launch second second strike package. Okay, I could keep going because 15 Strike Jones drones on target. This is when the first bombs will definitively drop. Pending earlier triggered based targets. 15:36 F18 second strike starts. Also first. Like you want me to keep going? Like this is obvious because we know all of these are obviously detailed attacks. You made it seem like. Like it was two text messages.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't say that.

[Tara Palmeri]

You did.

[Tim Pool]

We've gone over the story.

[Tara Palmeri]

You also said there was one source and there's four sources. It's like.

[Tim Pool]

Is that the only argument you have?

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, yeah. Because you're not. You don't keep the facts straight.

[Tim Pool]

You are overly emotional on this story. You are overly defensive of Democrats and the Media apparatus.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not defensive of Democrats, and I'm not defensive. I am defensive journalists. I'm defensive journalists. And I was just as. And I am just as critical of Biden as I was of Trump. And I was one of the few journalists that said that he was too old and that he's running.

[Tim Pool]

So here's how journalism should approach Signal Gate.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Is it routine for journalists to be given access to this kind of information?

[Tara Palmeri]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, it is. It's that.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yes, if you got that, there would be an embargo on it. No, no, that kind of.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, sure.

[Tara Palmeri]

Would not get access.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, there could be an embargo. Indeed. Agree.

[Tara Palmeri]

And there would. And I don't think that we would get access to that. Honestly.

[Tim Pool]

Richard Engels was given direct access to go on US Missions when.

[Tara Palmeri]

What year?

[Tim Pool]

This is the. This is the beginning of the Arab Spring 10 years ago.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

So it is a fact that US journalists embed with the military on classified missions.

[Tara Palmeri]

Very, very, very. Like, it's very tight. It's. If it's a classified mission, indeed, it's so. So not. We agree. Signal.

[Tim Pool]

My point was the questions we need to ask on Signal Gate. If you're actually trying to understand what's going on in the truth is, is information like this routinely given to journalists? The answer is yes.

[Tara Palmeri]

Not routinely.

[Tim Pool]

The answer is yes. With a book.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, it's not routinely. This is a. That would be a very rare situation. You referenced something that happened 10 years ago. Give me another routine time when this happens.

[Tim Pool]

Should I pull up all of the war footage from every news outlet ever in every conflict?

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay. War footage is when you are literally in the war with them and you cannot report until the actual thing happens afterwards. Right.

[Tim Pool]

You're misunderstanding.

[Tara Palmeri]

They mistakenly misunderstand. This was a mistake. You are a mistake.

[Tim Pool]

You are being way too emotional and jumping the gun on the point.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm trying to make a mistake.

[Tim Pool]

And you're talking over. Okay, so the first thing I said was, is information like this routinely given to journalists? The answer is yes, that it is. In this regard, it may have accidentally been given to a journalist. So the question then we have is, was there damage done? The answer is no, there was no damage done. So the question then after that is.

[Tara Palmeri]

That we know of. Who cares that we know of? I mean, we might not have sources in Yemen anymore because of that. We might not.

[Tim Pool]

I can speculate 15 million things all the time, but a journalist isn't going to do that. They're going to say, I don't See any ramifications from this story? It's an interesting thing that happened.

[Tara Palmeri]

Maybe it's a good story's over. Maybe it was a good thing that it became public because they won't be using Signal again.

[Tim Pool]

They all use signal. Why wouldn't they?

[Tara Palmeri]

Classified information.

[Tim Pool]

And I agree they shouldn't if it's disappearing.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

They should if you know Signal is regularly used improperly.

[Tara Palmeri]

But this isn't the first time. But not for classified.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Past administrations and just started. Classified information is regularly put onto Signal. The issue was that it was leaked. That was accidentally from Goldberg. But no. You don't think past administrations have used this Signal is used regularly. Okay. So the real issue was Goldberg.

[Tim Pool]

The issue is the extent of this story from a. From a. From a bland assessment is wow, who did that? I guess don't do it again. Instead we've gotten a two month ongoing. It's the apocalypse.

[Tara Palmeri]

But if they're.

[Tim Pool]

But text message.

[Tara Palmeri]

If there is another chat. Okay. There are multiples. It wasn't just that. There was the Houthi. There was a Houthi one and then there was another one.

[Tim Pool]

Which other one?

[Tara Palmeri]

Mike Waltz set up a second chat chain.

[Tim Pool]

Are you saying Signals in general?

[Tara Palmeri]

I just. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Tara Palmeri]

Supposed to use Signal for this kind of information.

[Tim Pool]

I agree.

[Tara Palmeri]

Signal for like, you know.

[Tim Pool]

And it shouldn't disappear.

[Tara Palmeri]

Meeting. Let's do this.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. That. None of that can disappear.

[Tara Palmeri]

It's also corporate like. It's.

[Tim Pool]

It's a signal. They should. They should be used for encryption. But all of that needs to be left for the public to have after the fact. The problem with Signal is that they're disappearing public records. They should be doing.

[Tara Palmeri]

Exactly. It's a natural.

[Tim Pool]

Administrations had done it as well. And no one should be doing it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

You said SIGNAL is fine so long as they don't delete the messages.

[Tara Palmeri]

I can. I agree with you. I believe in holding on to records and that is a violation of the national records.

[Tim Pool]

We'll. We'll jump to the next story here. Otherwise we're talking in circles. Let's just go to the post. Millennial Andrew Cuomo has been criminally referred to the DOJ over Covid nursing home disaster. Now, while the story does sound fun, it actually is just James Comer saying that Cuomo made false statements to Congress and he's referring him to Pam Bondi. The rumor is I believe it was Steve Ben who said we should expect to see some arrests by summer. But I won't hold my breath. So seeing this story does make me feel I would say the dried withered husk of hope that's just disheveled and lying within my core maybe pulsed once as soon as this story popped up. But again, does anybody really think they're going to indict Cuomo?

[Tara Palmeri]

No, because he's going to. He's going to be mayor. Exactly.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I was going to say. I'm truly conflicted because if they did indict Cuomo, the. The runner up in the New York City Democratic mayoral primary is this socialist named Zorhan, Mom, Donnie, this AOC wannabe. So that would be a huge disaster. It's crazy how I'm actually rooting for Cuomo in the New York genocidal maniac.

[Phil Labonte]

Why would you be rooting for Cuomo against. Against the communists in New York?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Because I don't. Wait, is that a serious question? Because I don't want the communists to. I'm an anti communist.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, buddy, I'm not so sure about that. There we have that all fight about.

[Tim Pool]

No, he changed his mind. Remember?

[Phil Labonte]

You changed your mind about.

[Tim Pool]

He said Bezos shouldn't be taxed.

[Tara Palmeri]

Do you think that Eric Adams should have a shot?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Because, I mean, he doesn't have a shot in the, in the race.

[Tim Pool]

I just think should be in prison.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

For this.

[Tim Pool]

For, for killing all those people. For sure.

[Shane Cashman]

Nuremberg trials for Cuomo for sure.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Were the sexual assault allegations kosher and not kosher?

[Phil Labonte]

They were kosher with all the women that heard about them.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Tara, at your time at abc, I don't know what's going on with Cuomo because I know he, A lot of the news networks had a really good relationship with him, especially during the pandemic. He was supposed to be like, I.

[Tara Palmeri]

Wasn'T at ABC during the pandemic. I left. I wasn't into the corporate media.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Oh, never.

[Tara Palmeri]

I went to go do an Epstein podcast. So as much as you think I protect the corporate media, I wasn't, I.

[Tim Pool]

Think just one of them.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, yeah. I respect reporters and journalists. Like, I actually, when I was a child, I really wanted to be a muckraker. I don't know if you know much about them, but they were Nelly Bly, you know, these type of investigative journalists that could get their hands dirty and they could expose the powerful and hold them to account by getting real facts and information. So to me, accountability journalists, journalism is super important. And I side with people when they find information. Of course it has to be accurate and it has to be correct. But I, I do believe at the core of journalism, it's to bring information to light that protects people.

[Tim Pool]

I call that activism.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't call that activism, because I don't.

[Tim Pool]

Which people do you.

[Tara Palmeri]

Because I don't. I go after both sides.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I didn't say political. I said, which people do you protect?

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't protect people.

[Tim Pool]

In fact, you know, you just said to protect people.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, to protect human beings. Like, in general. Like, as, like from, from. From people who have power when. From people with power.

[Tim Pool]

And what, what do people with power do?

[Tara Palmeri]

They abuse it. Like you talk about. I mean, at that time, it was the robber barons and the way they were treating people in the meatpacking industries, but now it's people in power. They, like, look at what happened with the Biden administration. What was that?

[Phil Labonte]

Would you say, like, people like, like Bezos and.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Bill Gates.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. Everyone with power needs to have. Needs to be held in.

[Tim Pool]

No, no.

[Phil Labonte]

What, what I'm saying. Are you implying this, that they are abusing people? Because it's one thing to say you're. You're in a position of authority and you're in a position of power, so you should have. You should be scrutinized. But it's another thing to be like, I think you're actually doing.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, I would never accuse anybody of anything until I had actual information to be able to do that.

[Tim Pool]

And, like, what, what degree of power do you think warrants this kind of spotlight?

[Tara Palmeri]

I think that if you are an elected official, for example, I think if you, you oversee, like, perhaps you're like a major CEO of a company that sells products to people and maybe there's some sort of, like, poison in the products. You know, it's about, like, it's really.

[Tim Pool]

So, so like, what if it's a big corporation that has a customer base.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. Mass customer.

[Tim Pool]

Mass deceiving their customer base.

[Tara Palmeri]

Exactly. It's like. I think it's about protecting, like, the masses. I think it's. It is. It's populism driven. It's a populist journalism.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you. There's like a big company with a. With a million customers.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they have deceived all of their customers.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If you found there was an employee of that company who knew what was going on and was deceiving these people, that person is. Is to be targeted as well. Yes.

[Tara Palmeri]

The employee would be a part of the story for sure. I think.

[Tim Pool]

What if the employee is the one doing it?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. That's the story for sure.

[Tim Pool]

Be exposed.

[Tara Palmeri]

Of course, if the employee was doing it and if they were doing it like independently or were they being told by higher ups to do it? I think in general, like this is, this is just a populist form of journalism. I started my career at the New York Post. Like I've always believed that like the. To me the best thing was when we got, you know, a dinkus. I said post got action. And that meant that whatever we reported resulted in some sort of change.

[Tim Pool]

Like what, what degree of proof do you need? Like if there's, let's say that this employee then breaks off and starts his own company.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And is like I'm going to do this thing. What degree of proof of intent, like mens rea would you need to actually publish something that damages their business?

[Tara Palmeri]

Here's where I, this is what I look at. I think, does this story matter? Does it like have impact on human beings lives? I think about the sources, I consider my sources. And also I have a reputation. Like I've been doing this for 15 years and I want to make sure that people, when they read my stuff, they're like, oh yeah, that shit's legit. In the same way that when I saw that New York Times article, I saw the bylines and I was like, oh, I've worked with those people before. They're legit and others aren't, you know.

[Tim Pool]

So let me ask you of this company with a guy, he comes out.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

What do you think they should do? Like let's say a news story brags and says this person, they left this big corporation, they're still doing this evil thing. When that story breaks, what should the individual who is accused of evil do?

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, they should defend themselves if they think that they are defensible or they should admit guilt if they did something wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Well, who's going to admit. Think they're guilty? I mean everyone thinks they're doing something justifiable.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know. Some people have to admit guilt. I mean it's. Some people, they don't admit guilt or they just say no comment or they hide. What, what if they. Sometimes you have something on tape and it's almost undeniable. I mean, what if they times it's.

[Tim Pool]

What if they weren't intentionally deceiving the customers, but they were just wrong the whole time?

[Tara Palmeri]

And it's something that, it'd be a nuance in the story.

[Tim Pool]

Should they, should they shut their company down and say wow, I can't believe I did that.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think that it depends on the story. Like I think it really depends on. I think there Are shades of gray in everything in life. Like, I know it's easy. We want to live in this world where there's an answer for everything, but there isn't an answer for everything. Sometimes you have to make calls. You have to make decisions based on what the evidence shows you.

[Tim Pool]

What if the reporting destroys this person's life? They lose. They lose their job. They get canceled, all that stuff. And they never intentionally did something wrong. They just didn't realize what they were doing was wrong and hurting people.

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, how much power does this person have that they don't know what they're doing is wrong? And it's like, again, it's got to be a story.

[Tim Pool]

A million customers, they think that they're doing something good, but the product is actually bad and the people are being lied to.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, they have to take accountability for what happened. So whether it's an apology and they say, I am so sorry that this happened, I didn't know that what I was. The chicken I was selling you had whatever chlorine. I know they use chlorine. Chicken actually now, but whatever. You want to use some sort of product.

[Tim Pool]

But should they quit? They shut down.

[Tara Palmeri]

Down. If they're. If. If it. If it depends on the situation. If the. If it wasn't like, it depends. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I guess what I'm saying is, like.

[Tara Palmeri]

If they may not even have to shut down, they could try to keep going and they just might.

[Tim Pool]

My argument is if a story breaks, accusing this person of wrongdoing.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

No, no one's going to accept that.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So it's. It's like what is actually accomplished.

[Tara Palmeri]

What do you mean? It's exposing something that's happening in the world. Like, we can't live in a place where information is like, you need information to make decisions. We need truth. We need. That's power.

[Tim Pool]

So if you. So let me ask. Let me ask you.

[Tara Palmeri]

Truth is how we protect ourselves.

[Tim Pool]

If you got.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't want to live in La La land.

[Tim Pool]

If you got a leaked message.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

From this. From this company. And like, maybe some people who worked with this person and it. Releasing it would destroy their business. It didn't necessarily show that they were evil, but that what they were doing was probably hurting people, you'd release it for sure.

[Tara Palmeri]

If I had the sourcing, if I had done the reporting, if I had gotten down to the story and had as complete a story as possible, including the fact that this person may be unaware of what they're doing, which I would include in the story allowing the readers to decide, you know, I would. If I thought it was harming the public, I would release it. Yeah, I would. Because I think it's important for people to know. And I. I do think that, like, we don't live in this world that we live in right now. If it wasn't for those people who have. Who have risked, you know, they risked their own lives to try to report.

[Tim Pool]

I hope and I pray that that journalist exists and they get you.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why? For what?

[Tim Pool]

Well, you worked for the big corporation that was lying to the American people. You started your own company. You still lie to the American people.

[Tara Palmeri]

How do I lie to the American people?

[Tim Pool]

Your defense of the corporate news industry.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not defending the corporate industry, but.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just making a point. I'm not.

[Tara Palmeri]

I haven't done anything.

[Tim Pool]

Is largely righteous.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not righteous. I'm doing this. I have a goal. What's wrong with having a mission and having a goal in life? What's wrong with wanting to do the right thing?

[Tim Pool]

Said that. The point is, you think you are morally justified in going after these people. And I'm not saying you aren't, but going after who? People that you'd view as having power.

[Tara Palmeri]

Power is like power.

[Tim Pool]

You have lots of power. You have substantially more power than 99% of people in this country.

[Tara Palmeri]

And you know, what if people. If I do something wrong and someone finds out about it and they have correct reporting, Fine, I will.

[Tim Pool]

What if you were. What if you report on a manufacturing business because some guy at the top took a kickback of 10 grand and it results in the company going out of business and 100 employees lose their job? And now a middle class working guy in the middle of the country says, I'm homeless and destitute because of you.

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, these are complex questions, but this.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed it is. Which is my point is when you say that, your intention is saying that.

[Tara Palmeri]

We shouldn't just not cover powerful people, we should just let everybody run them up.

[Tim Pool]

Certainly not. I'm saying, want to be Russia?

[Tara Palmeri]

Like, what do you want?

[Tim Pool]

You have a myopic, morally righteous worldview where you think you are, you are true and correct, and other people are not.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't think I'm. I don't think I'm perfect.

[Tim Pool]

No, the point I'm making is. But I have the appropriate response in the Signal Gate story would have been to just, for. For Goldberg to just say, oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, right. You can calm down. It would have been for him to just say, Guys, take me off this chat. Instead of destroying the lives over a stupid texting error, say guys, never let this happen again. It could get people hurt. You shouldn't have put me on it. We'll, we'll keep it private. That employee who loses his job because you blow the whistle on one at one guy at a mid level who took a kickback would say, why didn't you just keep this under wraps? We would have all kept our jobs. Why did you have to destroy our lives? Because he did something wrong.

[Tara Palmeri]

But here's the thing. How do we know that because one guy gets fired that the whole company goes under? How do we know that somebody else doesn't just get promoted and take that job?

[Tim Pool]

Looks like three people got fired from the DOD because of the signal gate reporting.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, they'll get another job, I'm sure.

[Tim Pool]

And by the way, they can learn to code. They'll be fine.

[Tara Palmeri]

By the way, you said Americans don't care about signal leak, but apparently 74% of U.S. adults do. And that includes Republicans. That's according to YouGov. And you've also.

[Tim Pool]

What was the question?

[Tara Palmeri]

The question was. Yeah, I tend not to reference of Americans who. You did though, many times. You said Echelon, you said Pew.

[Tim Pool]

That three polls at once.

[Tara Palmeri]

You definitely mentioned at least three in this.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. I like to use polls that are. Have multi. Multivariate results.

[Tara Palmeri]

If I'm not allowed to use polls, but you are, let me know.

[Tim Pool]

I'm allowed to use three polls. I'm asking you if you're citing another one.

[Tara Palmeri]

You also said Rasmussen earlier and 48%.

[Tim Pool]

I say Rasmussen. You did Rasmussen.

[Tara Palmeri]

Sorry, you did say it at Rasmussen. Whatever. You said it earlier.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, I'm pretty sure I recall you saying that.

[Tim Pool]

But 40 didn't because we learned recently that's pronounced Rasmussen by the guy from Rasmussen who came here.

[Tara Palmeri]

And also I just want to say the definition of classified information includes, quote, information providing indication or advance warning that the US or its allies are preparing an attack.

[Tim Pool]

Does Pete Hegseth have the authority over the DoD's information whether it's classified or not?

[Tara Palmeri]

I think Trump is the one who decides. Right. About classification. I don't know that universally.

[Tim Pool]

But what about specifically DoD information?

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know that answer.

[Tim Pool]

It is Hexif. Okay, so if he says it's not classified, it's not. The ultimate issue that I bring up with with all these questions is well.

[Tara Palmeri]

He better hope he's right.

[Tim Pool]

The appropriate way, the appropriate way that you handle a thing like this is to say, guys, take me off this text chat and there's no story.

[Tara Palmeri]

But what if they take you off the text text chat and carry on committing a crime like you said, the National Records act violating that?

[Tim Pool]

Well, the Biden administration did that too. So perhaps the response should be, hey guys, you know, the Biden administration and probably Obama and now the Trump administration all doing this thing. Yeah, it seems like.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't think all the signal during Obama years there was, it was, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But I doubt they use it because it was new. I think it was like 2014, I don't remember. Actually, I'm pretty sure we use Signal back in 2011.

[Tara Palmeri]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but I don't think they used it. The point is the issue, the use of this is more an administrative issue between. It's like, look, we're not going to go and arrest Obama, Biden and Trump because of a National Records act violation. We're going to say this should not be allowed. Congress needs to quash this immediately. My point is there is this, this argument about journalism is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. But what we often end up with, especially in this, I don't know that.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't think that that's absolutely what journalism is.

[Tim Pool]

That's the famous quote.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay. Some people say that it's. Some A one person said that, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

And journalists and go to J school and they, they preach it and they love it. So my concern is when you see instances like this, there's appropriate ways to handle things for the betterment of humanity. Yeah, but the, but Goldberg did not do that.

[Tara Palmeri]

But actually in some ways I think.

[Tim Pool]

If he caused division chaos and fighting.

[Tara Palmeri]

Or he showed the American people how.

[Tim Pool]

That, what a text error happened, how.

[Tara Palmeri]

How the White House conducts itself, how it's. The national security apparatus conducts itself.

[Tim Pool]

Errors happen all the time. Trump tweeted covfefe.

[Tara Palmeri]

I. That's not a, that wasn't a. That wasn't pre planned information about an attack.

[Tim Pool]

Joe Biden stole classified documents for the purpose of selling a book and making money. Right. These. Trump, Trump didn't do it to make money. Trump had knickknacks from, from various boxes.

[Tara Palmeri]

Whatever, briefings, whatever they wanted to use it for. Both of them did. So did Pence. So did Pompeo. All these guys take their class.

[Tim Pool]

Only Trump got prosecuted for it.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, I think they tried to. And I agree with you that the Biden thing was pretty weak. Just saying he was an Old man, and that was the reason they were prosecuting him was pretty pathetic.

[Tim Pool]

So it is clear that there are appropriate ways to handle things that minimize damage, solve the problem without causing disarray for the United States. What Goldberg and the media apparatus did with Signal Gate and what they're continue doing now isn't actually solving the problem of Signal being used or of accidentally texting people. It's just a part. It's partisan hackery.

[Tara Palmeri]

How do we know that? That hasn't stopped the use of Signal?

[Tim Pool]

It hasn't stopped the user signal.

[Tara Palmeri]

By elected officials. I mean, by appointed officials, according to.

[Tim Pool]

The four anonymous sources. I'm saying, in their view, it's still happening.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know if that. They said it was still happening. I thought that they said it was or it was happening concurrently. I haven't read that.

[Tim Pool]

The other issue on top of this is the second Signal Gate story, which again, is largely a liberal Democrat phenomenon. Because the right doesn't care about it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, I mean, you can say what people.

[Tim Pool]

There's no information as to what was in these chats. It's just vagaries. So why is this the news? This is not speaking truth to power. This is not holding anyone to account. This is not a mission. This is partisan nonsense.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't think it's partisan nonsense. I don't know why you're defending them. They look like fools.

[Tim Pool]

I think this is the issue. You believe truth is the defense of Trump. I believe truth is truth.

[Tara Palmeri]

Truth is the defense of Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Me saying a flat statement. We don't know what's in these texts. You said, why are you defending them? I'm not. I'm saying we don't know what's in the texts.

[Tara Palmeri]

We saw the text they printed.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Second Signal Gate.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, that's still to come. I mean, I have to look at the.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. When they want. When the anonymous people want to publish information, maybe they will. We can have a conversation about whether it was good or bad.

[Tara Palmeri]

I just. Okay, let me see if they've actually published this is.

[Tim Pool]

This is. This is. The issue with modern journalism today is that dispassion is viewed as defense of Trump.

[Tara Palmeri]

Dispassion. You're fighting me. This is passion on truth, not Trump.

[Tim Pool]

I'm fighting you against the media.

[Tara Palmeri]

You're telling me that this journalist should not have actually published these. I don't agree with you on that. I don't agree with you. I'm not talking about the corporate media. Don't try to conflate it. That's what you're trying to do. I think that in this situation that if I had those messages, I would have done what. What Jeffrey Goldberg did.

[Tim Pool]

Why are you defending Jeffrey Goldberg?

[Tara Palmeri]

Because like, you're attacking him. And I think that I would have done what he did. I really do.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, well, I'm not defending the Trump administration's use of signal gate.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Or use of signal.

[Tara Palmeri]

That's cool. I'm happy to hear it.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So my point is, when you say why are you defending them? This has been the trope in the.

[Tara Palmeri]

Thing that you keep saying over and over again is that Americans don't care. So this is just a made up, manufactured story. It's political and people don't care. People don't care. People don't care. People don't care. Okay. A lot of people don't care about a lot of things that matter.

[Tim Pool]

And we just acknowledge that we don't know what's in second signal gate.

[Tara Palmeri]

We'll find out soon.

[Tim Pool]

For what is the purpose of running the story front page in New York Times?

[Tara Palmeri]

Because his wife is on it. How do you know that's what they're reporting? Four sources, not one.

[Tim Pool]

Like you said, Four anonymous sources. We don't know. We've seen no evidence. So why are you defending this admin? This, this attack against Trump? Why are you anti Trump?

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not anti Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Why would you say I'm defending Trump? If I said we don't know what's in them and you, you call that a defense? Then I call you anti Trump.

[Tara Palmeri]

How about this? Why? If it's not true, then why did.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if it's true. I don't care.

[Tara Palmeri]

What now we don't care if it's real or not.

[Tim Pool]

That's my point the whole time.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, no, no. If the second chat isn't real, like you said that, and you're questioning why it's on the COVID of the New York Times. Why did Sean Parnell, the chief Pentagon spokesperson, not deny it? Why did he not respond to the New York Times?

[Tim Pool]

Can't read his mind.

[Tara Palmeri]

Fake news. This is because they still haven't denied it.

[Tim Pool]

Don't know.

[Tara Palmeri]

Can't read his mind. Yet they have. Not even Hegseth. We should. If you have.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. I can't read his mind.

[Tara Palmeri]

You should probably play the actual video of. I could probably find it because I think I played it by accident. But we should play what Hegseth says. Cuz I don't think he's denying it again.

[Tim Pool]

So my view.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Is that we have an accusation with no evidence, and there is some politicking going on.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, the first of all, the. The Pentagon hasn't denied it yet.

[Tim Pool]

So what?

[Tara Palmeri]

So you're saying it's fake, but no one else has.

[Tim Pool]

No, I did not. I don't think you can understand what I'm saying.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, I do understand what you're saying. You don't. You said it's based on one source. There are four people that said it was not. It's based on.

[Tim Pool]

I genuinely think you can't understand the words that I'm saying.

[Tara Palmeri]

I can understand the words that you're saying. You don't understand what you're saying.

[Tim Pool]

I do.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

We have a political story with no evidence. For what reason is this front page news?

[Tara Palmeri]

Because this. If the. I bet you that this wouldn't be front page news, by the way, if the Pentagon just denied it. I bet you.

[Tim Pool]

Can you answer the question? I.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, no. It matters. It matters if he's doing it again, because as we said, it was a mistake. If you commit a mistake twice. Signal gate. In your words, an accident. A mistake. If you commit.

[Tim Pool]

He didn't accidentally text anybody. Wrong. In this. In this story, you. Okay, this story says that he's on a text chat with his wife about.

[Tara Palmeri]

With. With more classified.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he didn't accidentally text a journalist. Again.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, let's just listen to what he said, because I don't think he's. Let's see what happened. It's not about texting the journalists. It's about sharing classified information.

[Tim Pool]

Again, we know he shared classified information.

[Tara Palmeri]

Because that's what the story says. That the Pentagon is not denied.

[Tim Pool]

Explicitly classified.

[Tara Palmeri]

Explicitly said that forthcoming strikes. That's. Again, future strikes. And like I said, when I. When I actually gave you the definition of classified, which we can go over again. Classification information. Classified according to definition of classified information. Information providing indication or advance warning that the US or allies are preparing an attack. Okay, you don't want to hear what I have to say, but here's what the lead story is of the New York. Here's what the lead story is of the New York Times. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shared detailed information about forthcoming strikes in Yemen on March 15 in a private signal group chat that included his wife, brother, and personal lawyer, according to four people with knowledge of the chat. Okay. And if that.

[Tim Pool]

He can.

[Tara Palmeri]

Sure. Listen, he could declassify it after. You could. No, you could say that.

[Tim Pool]

Never be classified.

[Tara Palmeri]

But then here's the question. If it's not real. Why not?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think. I think.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why not deny it?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think we're missing the forest for the trees.

[Tara Palmeri]

I agree.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

And why I'm saying that is because in the second Signal chat, there wasn't a journalist added. So one might ask, oh, how did these leaks get out? It was most likely that one of the people that was fired for allegedly leaking is now continuing to leak against Hegseth because he has an ax to grind. One of the people who was fired for allegedly leaking was the same guy who was Pete Hexseth's contact man in the first Signal Gate chat. So it makes sense that this guy, the same. One of the same guys who was his contact man in the first Signal Gate chat, continued leaking, got fired, and now he's continuing to leak because he has personal animus and has an axe to grind with Hexeth and the prior with the department.

[Tim Pool]

That's interesting.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

That makes sense to you because I think when we're doing journalism, we also need to understand when. Why do sources come forth? Why did any of these guys come forth? Because again, they have their disgruntled employees with an axe to grow.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't think they also are concerned about the way that the Department of Defense is being run.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No, not one. I don't think they give a shit at all. I think these are great. I think these are guys who. Who didn't want us to attack Iran and wanted us to. And leaked our attack plans to the New York.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. You think that?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Well, what do you mean? I think that the New York Times did. The New York.

[Tim Pool]

The New York Times and rumor of Tucker.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Did the New York Times have the reporting?

[Tara Palmeri]

You said you have a hunch.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No, I'm asking you a question. Did the New York Times have the reporting that said that we were going to attack Iran and about our attack plans for Iran? Correct.

[Tara Palmeri]

But you're saying who you think the.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Sources and why the Department of Defense. Pete Hegseth, said these guys were the leakers. Were leakers.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. Yeah, he could say that.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Okay, so according to Pete Hegseth, the leader of the Pentagon. Right.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. But he also says a lot of things. Like he denied the last thing. I mean, so.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No, I think it's pretty obviously obvious, too, because again, these guys were fired. And again, if you looked at the Signal chat, which you were reading to us earlier, you'd see the name of one of the people who was fired was his contact man there. Obviously, there's an ax to grind, and it's a disgruntled employee. And if you were a good journalist, you'd know that this actually comes up all the time. Half of the, the sources for people are just people who are pissed off at others and people in their company. All of these sources are former.

[Tara Palmeri]

I. Listen, I agree with you that there are a lot of people, but that's.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

What we're missing here, that this is really about Iran and whether in the Iran nuclear deal and the JCPOA part two, potentially. And I think we're missing that. The story here is about those two camps fighting within the Department of Defense. The establishment media would rather run with this and say the whole department is disarrayed because they want to just slander Trump. And, and, and here's the real issue here. Tomorrow, potentially when Press Secretary Caroline Levitt has press briefing, the first, you know, 80% of the questions are going to be on this essential non story that again, I don't think matters to most Americans. I think most Americans are worried about the economy. I think most Americans are worried about safety.

[Tim Pool]

And then the question is, in any investigation is, cui bono?

[Tara Palmeri]

What's that? Cui bono?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Tara Palmeri]

What is, what is that Latin for?

[Tim Pool]

For who is to gain? Okay, so when a source comes forth a story, the question is for who is to gain? If there was a story about toxic sludge being put in our milk and kids were going to drink it, the person who is to gain largely is the people who are saved from drinking it, right?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But the source who comes forward, what is their motivation? What do they gain by bringing the story forward?

[Tara Palmeri]

Maybe they are actually whistleblowers. Do you.

[Tim Pool]

For most people. For most people, it's because, holy crap, kids are going to die from this. Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

Some people are good.

[Tim Pool]

In a story like this with, with four anonymous sources about a signal chat with, with information that Hegseth is allowed to disclose, who gains. What is gained from this?

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, it's unclear if he's really allowed to disclose it, though.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's not. He's the head of the dod. He decides what, what operations are going to be classified.

[Tara Palmeri]

So aren't you concerned about him disclosing.

[Tim Pool]

That kind of stuff to his wife?

[Tara Palmeri]

No, and not just his wife. His brother and his lawyer.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, no, his, his brother. Isn't his brother also listed as like one of his advisors or legal counsel.

[Tara Palmeri]

Which is also weird. Nepotism should make sense.

[Tim Pool]

That's, that's heavily biased.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why is that heavily biased? If that happened to the Biden administration, you'd be like, what the fuck is Happening.

[Tim Pool]

Two of my brothers work for my company.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay?

[Tim Pool]

Why wouldn't I hire people?

[Tara Palmeri]

I know you are in a private company. This is public.

[Tim Pool]

So what?

[Tara Palmeri]

This is the government. This is American taxpayers, their salaries. There are anti nepotism laws out there. You know that.

[Tim Pool]

You hate this administration.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, I don't. Why do you keep saying that?

[Tim Pool]

Because no matter what comes up, you don't ask basic questions. No. Why? You just keep attacking the administration.

[Tara Palmeri]

Not a Girl Scout, okay? I don't like any administrations for any reasons. I am here to get down to the bottom of it. Not the Trump administration or the Biden administration or any administration. I've never been a cheerleader. Okay?

[Tim Pool]

This is the cnn.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, it's not.

[Tim Pool]

I don't act is.

[Tara Palmeri]

I am.

[Tim Pool]

Christian Amanpour at News Exchange in Morocco said that this, this is the idea that the people in power are always bad. And she. She went on to add, that can't always be the case, can it? This mentality that Trump is always evil is insane.

[Tara Palmeri]

Listen, I'm not saying Hegseth is wrong.

[Tim Pool]

No matter what he does.

[Tara Palmeri]

I am not saying that everyone is always wrong. But I think that you need to hold power to account. That is our right as you define it. Sure, if you think that they're not powerful people, fine.

[Tim Pool]

They certainly are. But I think the corporate media is substantially worse.

[Tara Palmeri]

I am not a part of the corporate media. Stop like telling you I haven't worked in the corporate.

[Tim Pool]

When did I.

[Tara Palmeri]

Two or three years from now?

[Tim Pool]

When in that statement did I say you as part of the corporate media are worse?

[Tara Palmeri]

Because you keep being like, I'm a defender of the corporate media. I'm a defender of journalism, okay? And sometimes good. And sometimes good journalism is committed.

[Tim Pool]

At corporate media, we define this as factual but not truthful.

[Tara Palmeri]

What do you mean?

[Tim Pool]

It means that you will say things that are only technically correct to mislead the audience.

[Tara Palmeri]

I feel like you're doing that all the time.

[Tim Pool]

How?

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, you are actually saying unfactual things too.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Tara Palmeri]

Like when you said that there was.

[Tim Pool]

Only one anonymous, the only thing you got.

[Tara Palmeri]

And there were other things as well. But I can remember that you're really.

[Tim Pool]

Latching onto me, misstating one detail of a story that just came out today.

[Tara Palmeri]

You want to know, do you know, you know what? The things that are unfactual that you say, the attacks on me, those are unfactual.

[Tim Pool]

Those are opinions.

[Tara Palmeri]

I still think that they're unfactual opinions.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, well, opinions aren't facts. And my Opinion based on the way you behave is an opinion based on the way you behave.

[Tara Palmeri]

My opinion based on the way you behave is very unfair.

[Tim Pool]

I think you're heavily biased and instead of assessing the facts of a case, really biased.

[Tara Palmeri]

Your bias though is towards defending the administration.

[Tim Pool]

It's so once again like you're acting.

[Tara Palmeri]

Like you work for them. You might as well be Caroline Levitt and I would not want to be that. I just think that's lame.

[Tim Pool]

I think that it's so lame is an ad hominem.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Instead of saying that's an ad hominem.

[Tara Palmeri]

Attacks from the emotional versus lame. I would rather be emotional is a fact statement.

[Tim Pool]

Lame is an ad hominem.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, sure.

[Tim Pool]

Who benefits from leaking the story about Hexathon? The second Signal chat. What is the purpose of this story?

[Tara Palmeri]

It shows the American people that they are continuing to do the mistake that they did the first time.

[Tim Pool]

There's no journalists on this. And also there's no journalists on this.

[Tara Palmeri]

Is his family on the chat?

[Tim Pool]

Because he talks to his family and.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why does his family need to know in advance about an attack on a country?

[Tim Pool]

Maybe he's saying, I'm going to work and I've got a meeting because there's going to be something happening in Yemen.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't understand why they would need to have the.

[Tim Pool]

You don't know what's in those chats. You are assuming something bad happened without.

[Tara Palmeri]

Evidence, basing it on the reporting from the New York Times that the chief spokesperson to the Pentagon has not denied yet.

[Tim Pool]

And you are assuming.

[Tara Palmeri]

And until he denies. Denies it, I will assume it is true.

[Tim Pool]

Why are you assuming it's bad? Why are you assuming it's bad?

[Tara Palmeri]

It sounds great.

[Tim Pool]

Why are you assuming it's a bad.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think it's a great thing. No, it's not a great thing for. For to share details of an attack with your family.

[Tim Pool]

You don't know what's in the texts.

[Tara Palmeri]

We know.

[Tim Pool]

This is why.

[Tara Palmeri]

We know these outlets obliterated on the Covenant. We do know when these kids were.

[Tim Pool]

At the Lincoln Memorial. All of the corporate press rushed to do exactly what you're doing instead of actually waiting till we know what's going on. We're going to assume every degree of this, that it was wrong and bad. And that's what separates me from them. And that's what separates the new media sphere. People who are actually saying, well, what happened? What are the facts of the case? And the people saying, I don't care, I just know it's bad. Okay, well, I don't know. It's bad. I don't know what happened. Which is the same deal with the Carmelo Anthony story, which many on the right jumped on. We have a police report with 33 witnesses and two statements. It sounds bad, but we don't have all the details. Why has the corporate press for 20 some odd years assume. All right, let's just do this. During the Trump administration years, the corporate press has assumed every single instance of. Has been framed negatively against Trump. We now have the Maryland man hoax. We had, obviously, the Very Fine People hoax. We had the injecting bleach hoax. It's always the worst possible interpretation, no matter what. Why couldn't Jeffrey Goldberg say, guys, don't put me on this chat? And there's not a story that doesn't. It doesn't need to be brought up, okay?

[Tara Palmeri]

I just. I just found something that I remembered. So that. The whole thing with Goldberg, right, he didn't want to have to reveal the texts is what he said. He said if he had any regrets about how the story played out, he said that he wished the Trump administration hadn't challenged his first story, forcing him to write a second one with the compromising details.

[Tim Pool]

So what?

[Tara Palmeri]

Why did they have to deny it if it was real?

[Tim Pool]

Deny what? That it was war plans?

[Tara Palmeri]

Deny all of it.

[Tim Pool]

They denied that there were war plans?

[Tara Palmeri]

No, they denied that day three after the plans came out.

[Tim Pool]

What was the. You never played for us, the tech, the audio of him actually saying it never happened.

[Tara Palmeri]

By the way, cui bono means who benefits, Right?

[Tim Pool]

To whom? To whom benefits. Okay, It's Latin. If you want to phrase it one way or the other, fine.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, but here, you. I. They denied it all. They called him a slime ball. They denied it. And then. So then because of that, because he said he denied it, because they all denied it, he. The next day, just publish the text.

[Tim Pool]

What was. What was his. His direct verbatim statement about what was included in the texts.

[Tara Palmeri]

That was semantics. Like everyone who is watching this is smart.

[Tim Pool]

I asked you a fact question.

[Tara Palmeri]

Plans versus attacks.

[Tim Pool]

That's not what I.

[Tara Palmeri]

Versus attacks.

[Tim Pool]

I asked you what he said was included in it. The specific details.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm sorry, what are you asking about? The first, the first story or the second story?

[Tim Pool]

First story. Jeffrey Goldberg says. Yeah, it includes this specific information.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. He didn't give the information, though. He. He did generalized it. He generalized it.

[Tim Pool]

Was he wrong?

[Tara Palmeri]

No, he wasn't. No.

[Tim Pool]

He said it included locations.

[Tara Palmeri]

It did.

[Tim Pool]

It did not.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yes, it did. It Said the apartment of the guy and his girlfriend were apartments.

[Tim Pool]

Which one do you want me to.

[Tara Palmeri]

Go over and read this over again? Because I feel like your listeners are gonna be bored.

[Tim Pool]

Does the word apartment identify which apartment and where?

[Tara Palmeri]

Dude, I'm gonna play it. I'm gonna read it again. If you. If you're gonna make me do this.

[Tim Pool]

Because you can't understand that House. I'm going to go to a house. Does that tell you where and when I'll be somewhere, what city I'll be in, what state I'll be in, what country?

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, so to say that we have.

[Tim Pool]

The locations of strikes and then you.

[Tara Palmeri]

Don'T have Jones on on strike drones on target this when the first bombs will definitely drop earlier triggered base where targets second strike starts. Also first sea based Tomahawks launched. More to follow per timeline. Okay, where. Let's keep going.

[Tim Pool]

I know I asked you where. Why are you reading random things?

[Tara Palmeri]

Building collapsed.

[Tim Pool]

Why are you reading random things?

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not reading random. Asking you for a location. I'm reading through it. Do you think I have this on the back of my head? I don't just spew things out of my head. I actually like to have facts.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, apparently you don't because you had no.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm actually.

[Tim Pool]

What he said.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, because I actually want to make sure that what I say is accurate. I don't just say it just for the. Just to sound excited and enthused and just say it.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I suppose you could actually read the story before making an assertion.

[Tara Palmeri]

I am reading the text afterwards.

[Tim Pool]

You've already made the claims for several hours. For an hour.

[Tara Palmeri]

I have read it. I just don't remember the actual quotes. You're. You're just. Just. Now you just seem like a jerk. Just so you know this, you are actually just bullying me. I am reading Centcom.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know the story. So you're being a bully.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not saying. I don't know if I don't gotta look it up. I'm look. Okay, so where is. I'm reading it. Centcom was slash is on point. Great job all. More strikes tonight.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, there's no location. He was wrong. That's the point. You didn't even remember what was said, but you were starting a fact without checking.

[Tara Palmeri]

Hold on a second. I.

[Tim Pool]

Location is not included. Location and weapons were not included in the story. I know this because I've read it and we've covered it like 17 times.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, why are you covering it so much if you don't think anyone because.

[Tim Pool]

It was the top trending news story. And the argument we made was that it was a non issue being brought up by for political reasons. Because the appropriate response from Goldberg is, guys, just take me off the chat. Not sit on it for several days, accuse them of wrongdoing, refuse to publish only after getting called out. Turns out you didn't actually have the information you claimed you did.

[Tara Palmeri]

A second. I'm going to find it because it does say the apartment building. How would I. How would we know about this apartment building in Yemen if it wasn't for this?

[Tim Pool]

Which apartment building?

[Tara Palmeri]

Where in Yemen?

[Tim Pool]

I know, but what's the target?

[Tara Palmeri]

Hold on.

[Tim Pool]

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[Shane Cashman]

This is terrible news.

[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

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[A Lot Eliyahu]

It's a really exciting day tomorrow. Hopefully we're still invited. No, no, no. They sent out another email saying that Tim cast is going to be in rotation at the White House press pool, which is a great privilege and we're excited to be there.

[Tim Pool]

So indeed will be fun. But we will go to your super chats. Unless you wanted to make a point before we do.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. One last thing. There was enough information in that text that the Israelis complained that their sources were compromised and they were upset about their sources via the apartment leak. So.

[Tim Pool]

Interesting.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. It was enough information to upset our allies, Israel.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Now I'm mad about it. Just kidding. We like to have a good time. We like to have a good time.

[Tara Palmeri]

Good luck tomorrow at the White House. That'll be fun. Thanks.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, interesting. We got so many super chats. Guys, I hate to say this to you, but when we get too many YouTube deletes some, which is really annoying because it. It shouldn't do that. But we do have your rumble rants and the chat is on fire tonight. Picora Rod. Is that how you say that with current events? I'm reminded of the book and movie Angels and Demons. I quite enjoyed them. But what do you guys think of the story? I don't know that one.

[Shane Cashman]

Angels and Demons. The.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's like War book. No, no, it's the pre. It's A prequel to DaVinci Code, I think.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, that one? Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Is that the one that has cern? Is CERN in that one?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I prefer a National Treasure with Nicolas Cage.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm gonna say Cage is one of our greatest actors.

[Phil Labonte]

Independence.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

Is it the Dan diamond book? Diamond, who wrote it?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Tara Palmeri]

Dan diamond, who wrote the Angels and Demons. Hold on a second. I feel like I read it at.

[Shane Cashman]

Some point in the outfield.

[Tim Pool]

I have to warn you, the chat is.

[Phil Labonte]

Is spicy.

[Tim Pool]

Spicy. Saint Miles says. Thanks, Tim, for bringing a Krasnstein clone on the show.

[Phil Labonte]

Dan Brown wrote it.

[Shane Cashman]

Dan Brown.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, well, thank you. I can't imagine that your fans would be fans of me. But you know what? I like to go into the fire. I'm not afraid.

[Tim Pool]

It's respected. Is respected.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. I'm not afraid of the storm.

[Tim Pool]

We appreciate you coming. We did.

[Shane Cashman]

That was good.

[Tara Palmeri]

In fact, I actually would like to engage more with people like you because I think it's important to have that kind of dialogue. It's not like I thought came here thinking that you were going to be like a softball.

[Tim Pool]

I actually think most people were enjoying it.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I hope you come back. Back. I will definitely, hopefully do it.

[Shane Cashman]

It's the most engaging conversation.

[Tim Pool]

However, I'm gonna. I. I'm. I am gonna try to find chats from people that are good, but this is. These are the first few. Okay. So just warning you. Salsa says, look, another reason women should never be in positions of power. All emotion, no actual argument, and plays. The I'm not able to speak on.

[Tara Palmeri]

This BS or I don't just shoot out bullshit out of my mouth. I like to be backed up. Or maybe women want to be substantial and have substantial arguments. I don't just say things with confidence. And then everyone's like, yeah, she's right. It's just that that's not how we work. We're actually trying to be, you know, have some evidence.

[Tim Pool]

Three star perfect deer says we finally get a guest woman who can talk against Tim's bulldozing off subjects. Dumb. I bought a cheeseburger story, and y'all hate her. She's awesome, and y'all are dudes with insecurities.

[Tara Palmeri]

Thanks, guys.

[Phil Labonte]

There you go.

[Tara Palmeri]

You can find me at Tara Palmeri. And I do interview people on both sides of the aisle. And actually last week, I interviewed Rahm Emanuel, and I gave it to him. I asked him, you're gonna appreciate this. When did you know about Biden's conditions and who did you tell? And he was very flustered. It made news. It was everywhere. Probably on some of the websites you read, because he had a hard time. I was like, you were in a very top position in a strategic place in the world. So why didn't you. Yeah. And then he said to me, I was like, are you going to run in 2020? Because that's obviously why he's on podcasts. And he was obviously very squirmy about that. And I was just like, stop being a politician.

[Phil Labonte]

How long ago was that?

[Tara Palmeri]

It was last week.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, really? Because I was under the impression that he was going to get a job in, like, the financial.

[Tara Palmeri]

He already has a job there, but he's running in 2028.

[Phil Labonte]

Really?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. He's got a substack. This is, like, a thing right now. So all these Democrats are now out there, like, doing podcasts? They're trying to catch up.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Got a podcast.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, exactly.

[Shane Cashman]

They're trying, demons trying to infiltrate.

[Phil Labonte]

It was my sense that because that, because he was, he had kind of decided to go into the financial world that he, that was kind of being like, okay, I'm. The Democrat Party is not really for me this round. I feel like that's bad, that's a bad vibe if you're in the financial world especially, oh yeah, Democrats.

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, okay, he not only is working in the financial world, he's got, he works for the Washington Post and cnn. I mean they're, it's just such a weird. I think they're trying to, they're like 15 years behind the Republicans right now when it comes to media and they're catching up and it's really awkward and kind of like, listen, I'm happy to have guests on my show, but I do look at it and I'm just like that you can't come on here and think I'm just going to like nod. I think every single person who worked for Biden needs to answer in their first question. What did you know? When did you know it and why didn't you say anything?

[Tim Pool]

The crazy thing, crazy thing to me about liberal.

[Tara Palmeri]

And that's accountability. That's accountability.

[Tim Pool]

The crazy thing about liberal personalities and podcasters to me is that, that they have arguments they can make that they never do. Like, the arguments they present are usually like half brained and easily dismantled. And I'm just like, who's like one.

[Tara Palmeri]

Of the liberal podcasters that you pay attention to and watch?

[Tim Pool]

Pacman?

[Shane Cashman]

Would you call him a podcaster, though?

[Tim Pool]

He's more of a Bill Maher I wouldn't call. He's a podcaster now. But Bill Maher's issue is not so much that he's got bad, like his arguments are easily debunked, it's that he's missing a lot of the facts.

[Shane Cashman]

He's trying though.

[Tim Pool]

So I do think for him he's also a comedian. Well, he hosts one of the premier political talk shows in the country.

[Shane Cashman]

For the past, comedians not talk about war.

[Tara Palmeri]

What was that?

[Shane Cashman]

I was just gonna say no.

[Tim Pool]

Like Bill Maher. Bill Maher is not, I don't think it's fair to call him a comedian. And what I mean by that is he is a political commentator and comedian. And I believe comedian is the subset because his principal shtick for his whole life as far as, as long as I've known him, I should say since I was a kid with politically incorrect has always been talking about politics and then being kind of funny about it.

[Shane Cashman]

He's a comedian. Like, Colbert is a comedian. Like they're late night guys.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Like Colbert is literally just a comedian.

[Shane Cashman]

Colbert's a propagandist.

[Tim Pool]

But sure, sure. My point is Colbert, John Oliver, they're making, they're writing jokes and trying to jam politics into it. Bill Maher is talking politics and then trying to sometimes make a joke. So I view Bill Maher first as a political. A pundit, political commentary guy.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, he has monologues though. Show on a show. Like, they try to be funny and he does stand up, but it's like you never think of his stand up.

[Tara Palmeri]

He actually trained in comedy though, most of his life.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but my point is, what is your. What is, what is your principal role and for Colbert's. Colbert is a talk show. It's. It's entertainment. It's whatever. So he's a comedian and they do some politics. John Oliver. It's make jokes, but make it political. Bill Maher is talk politics on Friday night with a variety of high profile political guests and then do a monologue or something after, like before, after the fact. So the show is largely political. All right, let's grab. Let's case. Shiloh Williams says, quote, I respect those reporters. First mistake. Journalists are worthy of nothing but contempt. A den of snakes to the last.

[Tara Palmeri]

They are den of snakes. I will agree that some of the worst infighting is in a newsroom. Like, it is so hard to work together and just getting through the bureaucracy and the bullshit and the competitiveness. Like that is why I'm so pro independent media. Because like, just dealing with everybody's even different agenda happens everywhere though. It's human nature, it's new, it's human nature. So, like, the sooner you can get away from that, I think that's when you can do the best journalism problem. It's like there's some people need to have some experience though, just like learning how to be investigative and investigators and make choices like the kind that Tim brought up. Like, when do you go to print? Like, do you go. Like. I wouldn't go on one source, you know what I mean? But someone who maybe doesn't know it, they do. And then there goes their whole career. Nobody's ever gonna listen to. They're like the boy who cried.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so the, the issue with the corporate press today is that intelligence. Actors have been doing this for a long time, but largely in the past 20 years. There is a particular individual who I will Leave unnamed for to avoid litigation. But what the intelligence agencies did was they contacted her when she was very young and entry level position at a publication and said, hey, I work for this organization. I've got a story for you. She was making a low salary. She then goes to her boss and says, I was contacted by this person. I have a source now in insert intelligence agency. And they say, wow, can you vet this person? Indeed, vetted. We have an official source in intelligence in the United States telling us Trump did bad thing. Yep. Run it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, I know. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Story gets a million views. Source high fives. His buddy saying, operation success. We fed bullshit to the media. And she ran it. Let's keep doing it. The editor of the news organization knows a single source with a partisan bent is a bad source. But they're saying, I don't care. We're a blog and we're getting a million views an article and we're making 20 grand. Every time she does this, she gets promoted, she transfers. Promotion, promotion, promotion. Premiere on all the talk shows, late night hosts, all of that stuff. And it was propped up by intelligence officers trying to push a narrative that was anti Trump. Trump. I've got another story that I can't show on YouTube. So we will show in the uncensored portion. I'll have Phil take it. But he knows exactly. He'll understand when he sees the link that I pulled up. Actually, I'll just describe it and then he can show the photo. It's a photo of a dead girl. And an award winning, I believe was an award winning photo. Except the real photo, in my opinion, that everybody recognizes as the real photo is one of the photographers walked away from the gaggle and took a picture of all of the journalists huddling around a dead girl to get a photo. And I believe the real photo that may have won the award was a spattering of journalists all getting the perfect angle of a corpse. And that's what journalists are, vultures. And that's why they call themselves vultures, because they know it.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know about that.

[Tim Pool]

They do call themselves vultures.

[Tara Palmeri]

What was this? I've never heard journalists revolt, refer to themselves as vultures.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Tara Palmeri]

What's the context of this? This, what's the context of it?

[Tim Pool]

Let me, I have the story pulled up, but I can't.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why? Where is it?

[Tim Pool]

A 15 year old died from a stray bullet in Haiti.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, so war zone. It's a, it's a Haiti.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it's a, it's a conflict zone. It's not It's a conflict zone.

[Tara Palmeri]

I would call it a war zone in Haiti.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there's. There is a difference.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay? I mean, the distinction allows, right?

[Tim Pool]

Because I've. I've been in conflict. I've been in active conflict, but I've never been in war, okay? So.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay, fine, maybe you don't want to use the word.

[Tim Pool]

3, 4, 5, 6, 7 journalists are all crowding around with photographs of her dead bodies.

[Tara Palmeri]

But does it. But here's the question, though. Does the picture of that woman who is already dead. It's not like they were crowding around a girl who was gasping for her last breath. Okay? And again, this is actually a really interesting, like, question, you know, like, what do you do as a journalist when you're around people who are suffering? Like, this is. This is so crazy. I'm not even making this up. But I have. I put the video on my phone. But last week, I was walking down the street, and I saw one man being attacked by seven people, okay? And he was just a security guard outside of a Lululemon. And these guys were just, like, pummeling him, punching him. Six guys. And so I was, like, going up to him, like, stop it, stop it. And I'm like, what do I do? Right? And then this girl comes out of nowhere and, like, punches me in the face. Okay, this is happening on 14th street in New York City. Yeah. Crazy. And then I called 91 1, and then I stepped away and I started recording it because obviously, like, they saw me and they punched me. Although it wasn't a hard punch. It was like she couldn't hit him. That. You know, you would appreciate this. Women aren't the best at throwing punches. Right? So I was lucky in that case, But I was recording it, and I. I got the. You know, I got the. Luckily, the police came, they arrested two of the kids. I gave them the. The footage. But, like, there is sort of a moment. You're like. You have to decide, like, are you supposed to get involved in the story? Are you supposed to document the story? You know what I mean? In that case, I was like. I was like, this guy's going to die on the street if I don't do something.

[Tim Pool]

And then I have a question for you.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. And no. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Let's say you're in an active conflict zone and a woman carrying a bag of groceries gets shot in the leg and falls down and she's bleeding.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Do you film that?

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know. I honestly have not been in that situation before. And, like, it's really hard. Like that was the closest I had really gotten to. And that was just last week. And it was like. And my instinct was to jump in and try to save them.

[Tim Pool]

The reason I ask is journalists are conflicted on this point.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, it's a hard one there.

[Tim Pool]

I've been in numerous circumstances, maybe you have a lot where say a copy cop clubbed some activist over the head and left them bleeding. And they've got medics tending to their wounds and they scream, stop filming me. And the journalists on. On scene. So this, this actually happened in Chicago during NATO protests 10 years ago. There was a group of protesters. The cops were pushing the group out. Don't know how it started. I'll blame the protesters when they actually start the violence, but I don't know who did at this point. One of the guys got hit in the head by a cop with a billy club club. They were bleeding, brought to the side. And then journalists started crowding around, filming and the person started screaming, get away from me. Stop filming me. The medic said, stop filming him. And the journalists said, we have to film this. We have to show the world what they're doing. So then the activists physically attacked the group of protesters, formed a line and then screamed, charged the journalists and started attacking the journalists.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, I mean, listen, it's not. I don't. It's a hard situation to be in. I don't know. Yeah, it's a really. But I think you can't like paint that entire profession. Listen, journalists have the very low approval rating. They already have about like, what is it, like 23%. They're basically at congress level of things on this.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

As somebody who's been field reporting for over five years and my experience with other journalists in the field makes me totally self loathing. A lot of these reporters and camera people are absolutely some of the worst people you could imagine. Tim spot on when he was describing them as vultures. I do come across some moral quandaries though in my reporting. So for example, protesters do get mad at me when I film them doing illegal stuff. And do they have the right to be? Probably not. Is it understandable though?

[Tim Pool]

Maybe because you want to just read.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

That for me, it's too small.

[Phil Labonte]

A secret Facebook.

[Tim Pool]

Start from the beginning.

[Phil Labonte]

The Vulture club refers to a secret Facebook group for freelance journalists to share information and resources related to news production, particularly concerning fixers safety and other aspects of international news gathering. It is a platform where journalists can ask for advice and connect with other freelancers who have experience in specific regions or Situations.

[Tara Palmeri]

Is it tongue in cheek, or is this really, like, why pick with a grain of truth?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I, I, so I, I. For. For eight or so years, I covered Confident Crisis explicitly. And these people are vultures.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Look.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, no, you were there. I'm not taking.

[Tim Pool]

These are people who are like, guys, guys, guys, we got a dead body. Let's roll.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm like, look, I mean, you.

[Tara Palmeri]

Were also working at Vice, too, which wanted provocative content.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, bro, Vice. You know what Vice would do?

[Tara Palmeri]

What would they do?

[Tim Pool]

So during Ferguson, we. I was doing the actual news coverage of the Ferguson riots.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And we were told that the. The documentary crew was coming out with, you know, I'll just leave them unnamed because it's bad enough I'm telling the story. And so I'm like, awesome. These guys are great. I love the documentaries. Let's meet up with them. They showed up, the host walked up on West Florissant, turned around, looked at the camera, lit a cigarette. The riots are getting pretty intense, but we're gonna stick with it and, you know, we'll see how these things play out. Put cigarette out. All right, we'll see you guys. We got a flight. That was it. The rest was B roll, something like that.

[Tara Palmeri]

But here's the question.

[Tim Pool]

I love it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Do you think that. Here's the question, Tim. Do you think there should be no journalists?

[Tim Pool]

There should be journalists, okay. But there should be real journalism.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay. And what's real journalism to you?

[Tim Pool]

Truth, facts, data.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay. And that's what we're all trying to do, right?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No, not even close. I think 90% of journalists. I mean, you should know, even in the spaces that I occupy, it seems like everybody has an ax grind. Everybody's politically motivated. Nobody just seeks.

[Tara Palmeri]

You know what actually bothers me more than having an axe to grind, to be honest, is not actually being pushing hard enough enough like people who are going for agenda journalism. That, to me, is the agenda. Access journalism, to me, is the worst type of.

[Tim Pool]

I agree.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

That is when you are trying to get interviews and you are willing to look past things and you're just trying to cozy up to people.

[Phil Labonte]

That's literally the whole media, entire Biden administration.

[Tim Pool]

We all agree. We all agree. Let me. Let me ask you a question. Why do these journalists. Why are they attacking us so mercilessly for simply being at the White House?

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't think you should be attacked. In fact, I've said this. I said on tm.

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm not saying you do. I'm asking why they're doing. Doing it. I think that's not journalism. Right?

[Tara Palmeri]

No, I. Here's the thing.

[Tim Pool]

The New York Times did it.

[Tara Palmeri]

I think that here. I think this is the. Here's the facts. The media has changed so much, and that the room does not reflect that change. The room does not reflect the fact that you have a million or so, maybe more, you know, people watching you on YouTube, that you have a huge reach that is probably bigger than a lot of the people in that room, especially at the state of the media that it is right now. So it needs a revamp. Absolutely. There's no doubt about that. And there's not a lot of space. They need to blow up that whole, like, newsroom completely and create a bigger newsroom. I think there's a. It's not about you guys. It's not about you, and it's not about you being in there. It's about the idea, I think, that the administration gets to pick the pool. And when you hand over the keys to the administration, like, that's about.

[Tim Pool]

But. So the issue we have is. Let's go. Let's start with the. The Very Fine People hoax. Are you familiar with that?

[Tara Palmeri]

What do you mean?

[Tim Pool]

Every major news outlet reported that Trump called neo Nazis very fine people, which he did not.

[Tara Palmeri]

He said there were good people on both sides.

[Tim Pool]

He said, and I'm not talking about the Nazis of the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.

[Tara Palmeri]

I. Is that the full quote?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, my goodness.

[Tim Pool]

You didn't know that?

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, I have to look back on it now.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Can you pull up the video of it? Just so you know, because we're wrong about the Hexaf stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

But kind of what I was getting back. No journalists. I mean, you tried to pull up many earlier, but I guess the point. The point again, is, as you were saying.

[Tim Pool]

Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. I just got snopes for you. There you go. Tara, just take a look. No, Trump did not call neo Nazis and white supremacists very fine people. I mean, this was. This. This is how Biden launched his campaign. And so my point is, these people in. In the White House, in this press pool are not journalists. Right now, they're pushing the Maryland man hoax, where they say Abrego Garcia is a Maryland father. Well, he's not. He's an El Salvador citizen. He's not a Maryland man. But they're doing. There's a framing narrative. We call it factful, factual, but not truthful. All right. I got to ask you the. The rudest question.

[Tara Palmeri]

Ready? I thought.

[Tim Pool]

No, no.

[Tara Palmeri]

Let me. Let me really buckle up.

[Tim Pool]

Jonathan Foreman says, tim, ask her, how would she have felt if she didn't have breakfast yesterday?

[Tara Palmeri]

Let me think about that. I had breakfast yesterday. Probably not great today. What is that supposed to mean? Is that some sort of, like, pun or something? Or something dirty that I don't understand?

[Phil Labonte]

Nope.

[Tim Pool]

No, this is factual.

[Tara Palmeri]

Is there?

[Tim Pool]

I give you a C plus. I think you answered it correctly.

[Tara Palmeri]

What do you mean?

[Tim Pool]

You said, I probably wouldn't feel that good. The. The question is to. It's. It's. It's part of a meme related to an individual claimed to be a. Like a prison psychotherapist psychologist who said that people with IQs under 80 can't understand conditional hypotheticals. And so they would go to prisons and ask a prisoner, an inmate, if you did not have breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt? And they say things like, but I did have breakfast. And they would say, yes, but if you did not, how would you have felt? They go, what do you mean, I had breakfast? Failing to understand the conditional hypothetical signifies a lower perspicacity, as it were.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, well, thank you. I appreciate that. As I'm sure they're also like, she's a fucking idiot.

[Tim Pool]

She passed boys. She said, I probably wouldn't have felt great.

[Tara Palmeri]

But also.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah, I'm sure there are just as many people saying nice things about you.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I. Yeah, I try to rate them when they're saying, you know, you guys.

[Tara Palmeri]

You guys are. You're not getting a fair representation in me. But that's okay. That's okay. I'm. I came into the lion's den, but I'm a lioness. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

What is going on?

[Tara Palmeri]

Keep going. I want. I want more. More questions. Go for it.

[Tim Pool]

All right. L33B says, have you heard of Palmer Lucky? He created the Oculus Rift and got fired by Facebook for supporting Trump in 2016. He would be a great guest. Indeed he would. And I've actually talked to him before.

[Tara Palmeri]

He is Matt Gates's brother in law, too, right?

[Tim Pool]

Really? Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

His brother in law.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, what?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, go to. You can see it in his Wikipedia page.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not making it up.

[Phil Labonte]

And Palmer Lucky. Palmer Lucky is. Is. It's. There's a story that said that Palmer Lucky, Elon Musk, and the guys from Palantir are going to be the ones that are doing the Ohio. The Golden Dome.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But Elon denied that.

[Tara Palmeri]

Can I ask you A question, Andrew.

[Phil Labonte]

I think is the name of his company.

[Tara Palmeri]

When was the last time that you criticized Elon Musk?

[Tim Pool]

Probably recently. I don't know.

[Tara Palmeri]

What did you say?

[Tim Pool]

There are people that he's a, he's an evil trans.

[Tara Palmeri]

What do you think about it?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

He's.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think we've talked about how AI is going to destroy the world and he only bought X so we can get access to the fire hose that he can create an AI system which is going to destroy the Earth.

[Shane Cashman]

He's a degenerate anti human transhumanist.

[Tim Pool]

He's got, he's got 14 kids and he's probably should be a dad to one of them.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Him, he's way too open to.

[Tara Palmeri]

He's all right with saying that we should repopulate the Earth. Right?

[Tim Pool]

I do not believe that I am wearing a ring and I believe in death before dishonor. Elon Musk, wow, that's righteous. I have tremendous respect for his. I'm a big fan of him scientifically, but morally he is far from virtue. And that's, that's, that's, that's me being very nice.

[Phil Labonte]

That's very nice.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

His business dealings in China have him.

[Tim Pool]

Compromised, I believe we've criticized. But yeah, he's, he censored people when he claims he. How about this? I pulled my ad campaign promise of $250,000 from X because he reinstated the misgendering policy. I said that much. And, and, and with, with all due respect to Elon, as much as we've routinely brought these things up, he follows me on X like he's, he doesn't seem to be a baby about being.

[Shane Cashman]

Criticized to feed your ideas into gro.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, he doesn't need to follow me to do that.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, he wants it though.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but, you know, he, But I can respect that. We have criticized him over his misgendering policy, his censorship in Brazil. We've criticized him over being a dad to probably. They say 14, but it may be more. Yeah, it's conservative and, but I also deeply respect his mission to Mars. I think Tesla is a great company and I can respect that as long as you're actually reporting accurately, even if you're critical. He seems to be fine with it.

[Shane Cashman]

And the left hates him for all the wrong reasons.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Tara Palmeri]

Why is that?

[Shane Cashman]

Because they think he's a Nazi who's going to take over. I, I think he's going to take over, but he's not a Nazi. I think he's trying to install an AI government Because I even stated when.

[Tim Pool]

He, when he, when he threw his heart out. How does one accidentally do that?

[Phil Labonte]

They hate him only because he's associated with Trump. They don't. If it wasn't for the fact that.

[Tara Palmeri]

I mean, he says some crazy shit too.

[Phil Labonte]

They would, they would give him the pass if it wasn't for him being involved in politics.

[Tim Pool]

They made Tesla the biggest electric car manufacturer in the world.

[Tara Palmeri]

Listen, I don't disagree. If he can gave $250 million to the Democrats, we wouldn't be talking about.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

He could do whatever he wants.

[Tara Palmeri]

He should be.

[Shane Cashman]

If he's. Because he's creating the apparatus for AI to funnel into the military.

[Tim Pool]

Oh. Ask me when the last time I criticized Trump was. Yeah, when was when he bombed Yemen recently. And I have an interview with him where I asked him about Yemen and how Obama killed an American citizen. And Trump said, you don't have to do that. We can negotiate this. And I said, we don't want war with Yemen. No one's declared it. And he agreed. And then he does it. And we're not happy about that.

[Tara Palmeri]

It.

[Tim Pool]

But the issue is with Trump, the Trump administration and the people in his sphere. Charlie Kirk, for instance, they, they don't get mad if you criticize them, they get mad if you lie about them.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If I say Charlie Kirk is wrong on TikTok and his flip flop, I don't why did he flip up on TikTok? Charlie doesn't say, screw you, Tim, you're never welcome. He invited us on stage at TP usa.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And he's. And he's invited. There are a lot of people at TP USA who are, this is the. Who are critical of Charlie or critical of people on the right.

[Tara Palmeri]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

This is the thing about the, the anti establishment now that I guess technically the establishment, although technically the institutions aren't completely converted. But I can, I can say Trump was wrong to launch a commando raid in Yemen in his first term and he should be criminally investigated for the. And investigated, not saying charged, but there's an allegation that the raid resulted in the death of an American girl, a seven year old. The, the little sister of Abdul Raman Al Awlaki. Now the Obama administration admitted to killing Abdul Rahman. They should be criminally charged over this admission. The evidence should be compiled. As for Trump, I would welcome an investigation into that. I think the DOJ should investigate it. They're not going to because no one's going to investigate and arrest Obama. Trump would never do it either. But this is why I like Dave Smith, because Dave Smith's a guy. He goes on. He goes on Fox or whatever, and then he starts arguing about the things that the Democrats are doing wrong. And they go, yeah, well, Trump did a bad thing. And he goes, you're right, he did. I don't like him either. It's like the left thinks everyone who will defend Trump on one issue literally believe everything he does is good. Yeah.

[Tara Palmeri]

Well, I'm, I'm actually surprised to, like, hear this, that you have.

[Tim Pool]

People who watch this show aren't.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, that's.

[Tim Pool]

That, that's the funny thing about when people on the left say. So we had Ro Khanna on.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And he said, people warned me not to go on your show. They said it was far right or whatever, but you're actually kind of reasonable, moderate.

[Phil Labonte]

And I said, really nice.

[Tim Pool]

I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm like, moderate. Some liberal.

[Tara Palmeri]

Like, did you, like, try to fact check him on everything and treat him like you treated me?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yes.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But it doesn't matter if you're a liberal conservative. Otherwise, if you come here and say something, we'll pull it up.

[Tara Palmeri]

Did you just keep saying, like, you're a liberal, you're a liberal, you're a liberal. You're defending the liberals. I said, you said that I'm defending the corporate media over and over again.

[Tim Pool]

But I think you missed the point.

[Tara Palmeri]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

You told me I was offending Trump by asking a question about motive. So I said, you are attacking Trump making the point that you are making towards me.

[Tara Palmeri]

What do you mean? I'm not attacking Trump?

[Tim Pool]

You, you said, why are you defending this administration?

[Tara Palmeri]

You are defending the. And I said, the signal gate was no big deal.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not defending the administration. I'm asking the question of what is the purpose of the story and why does it matter?

[Tara Palmeri]

I think that it matters when, when you countered.

[Tim Pool]

I said, if you're making that point at me, that I'm defending Trump by saying this, you claiming it matters is you attacking Trump.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

I wasn't attacking Trump and I'm not defending him either. You get my point?

[Tara Palmeri]

We're clear.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. That's why I said that.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yet. But you. But I think.

[Tim Pool]

Now you understand.

[Tara Palmeri]

But I think the thing that we disagree on is why that story matters.

[Tim Pool]

Right. My point is neither of us are defending or attacking the administration for arguing over the merits of a story. But you said I was defending it because I did so. I said you were attacking Trump because you did which is not to say you're literally. I was making the point.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But anyway, I digress. We're going to go to that uncensored show and I'm going to go to bed because I got to wake up at 5:30, I got to leave at 5:30 in the morning. So I got to wake up seven hours from now, get in a car, drive to D.C. and we're doing. I don't know, I'll just leave it at that. I'll leave it at that. Because I don't know what we were supposed to say or not supposed to say, but Tim cast is on the official press announcement, so we're good.

[Phil Labonte]

Are you doing the. Should we expect the. The regular show tomorrow as well or you don't know.

[Tim Pool]

So Libby will be hosting the morning show on the noon live and we. I believe that I will be able to record my morning segments as normal, but I'll be doing it from the White House.

[Tara Palmeri]

All right, can I ask you what's the first question or for who? For Trump.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not talking to Trump.

[Tara Palmeri]

Oh, I thought you were talking to Trump.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

If I'd be lucky enough for him to have to take questions, I'll make you wait and see.

[Tara Palmeri]

But honestly though, you probably will. I've like, probably will get an audience with him.

[Tim Pool]

I have three or four questions, a.

[Phil Labonte]

Lot asked Donald Trump, if you know who a woman is.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah. My first question to Caroline Levitt was what do they think about pardoning Derek Chauvin? The second one was what is a woman to Trump?

[Tara Palmeri]

But you have to always be ready for him to let you into the Oval Office, ask a question. So what if you had a chance, would be your first.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So like right now, boom, I'm bringing lead into the office. It's President Trump. Will you allow Hamas to stay in power in a post war scenario? Question 2 would be President Trump, do you believe there's any national security concern when it comes to the quarter million?

[Tara Palmeri]

You would not let a Hamas.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I know, but.

[Tim Pool]

Well, don't you think it's huge if he says that?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

If he says it, yeah. The significance.

[Tim Pool]

No, of course that means the war doesn't stop. Top.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah, that's gigantic.

[Tim Pool]

Actually, that means we don't have to wipe out Hamas.

[Tara Palmeri]

He literally calls them terrorists.

[Tim Pool]

We're over. We got to go to the uncensored show. Smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know, go to rumble.com timcast IRL for the uncensored show and the member call in and I'm gonna Go to sleep. But Phil will be here to. To man the man the ship in my absence. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast Tar. Do you want to shout anything out?

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah. Follow me at Tara Palmeri on all of my accounts. My YouTube channel I just started up, it's at T A R A P A L M E R I. That's just one. You can follow me on Instagram and of course, X. It's all the same. Tara Palmeri. And sign up for my newsletter, the Red Letter, where you can get investigative journalism, because I know some of you care about it.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Tara, that was a really pleasant podcast and I hope you come back and do it again. I mean that seriously. I had a lot of fun. I like it when people have different ideas and we kind of get into it on here.

[Tim Pool]

Waffle says can we do two more hours, please?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Hopefully soon.

[Tara Palmeri]

Waffle. Can I eat you for breakfast tomorrow? I'm joking.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, my goodness.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

My name is A Lot Eliyahu. You can find me and Tim tomorrow at the White House. It's going to be very exciting. We'll leave it at that for now. Shane.

[Tim Pool]

All right.

[Shane Cashman]

It was a fun one. You can find me online at Shane Cashman. And the show is Inverted world live on YouTube and rumble every Sunday at 6.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. I'm Phil that remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. New record dropped on January 31st. You can check it out all over the Internet on the streaming platforms of the Left Lane. It's for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out.