MSNBC CONFIRMED CUT OFF After Ratings Collapse Amid Trump Victory w/Hotep Jesus

Summary

Timcast IRL: MSNBC Confirmed to Be Spun Off After Ratings Collapse Amid Trump Victory with Hotep Jesus Release Date: November 20, 2024

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Introduction

In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool delves into the recent seismic shifts within the media landscape following Donald Trump's electoral victory. Joined by guest Hotep Jesus and co-hosts Ian Crossland and Phil Labonte, the discussion navigates through the collapse of traditional liberal media ratings, the potential influence of the Deep State, and broader implications for political discourse in America.

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Comcast to Spin Off MSNBC and CNBC

Tim Pool kicks off the episode by addressing breaking news: Comcast is officially spinning off MSNBC and CNBC into separate entities due to plummeting ratings.

Tim Pool [00:00]: "It's reporting that MSNBC and CNBC are going to be cut off from Comcast... their ratings are in the gutter."

He highlights that despite CNN's claims of profitability, their weekend ratings have sunk to 28,000 viewers, raising questions about their financial sustainability.

Tim Pool [00:00]: "MSNBC's weekend ratings was... in the 20 thousands in the key demo. It's a worthless channel."

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Shifts in Liberal Media Personalities Post-Election

The conversation shifts to how prominent liberal media figures have altered their stance following Trump's victory, contributing to the decline in viewership for networks like MSNBC and CNN.

Tim Pool [02:50]: "Charlamagne, the God is now even supporting Donald Trump's actions to a certain degree."

He points out that personalities like Jon Stewart, Joe Scarborough, and Michael Brzezinski publicly defended Trump post-election, a stark contrast to their pre-election positions.

Tim Pool [08:35]: "Jon Stewart's ratings are in the gutter. He resurrected his Daily Show... I bet his ratings are gutter trash and he knows it."

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Deep State and Dead Internet Theory

Hotep Jesus introduces the Dead Internet Theory, suggesting that a significant portion of online activity is driven by bots controlled by corporations or government entities to manipulate public opinion.

Tim Pool [48:33]: "One of the reasons perhaps we are seeing the left lose so many viewers and subscribers... could it be that Dead Internet Theory was true?"

The hosts explore how the elimination of bots, especially on platforms like X (formerly Twitter), might explain the sudden shifts in follower counts and engagement metrics favoring conservative voices.

Tim Pool [53:59]: "Following Elon's takeover, users started complaining they weren't getting the same views and clicks anymore. Why is my engagement so down?... When you get rid of bots, your engagement will go down."

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Bill Maher's Shift and Liberal Media's Attitude

Bill Maher's recent derogatory comments towards Democrats are scrutinized as part of a broader trend where liberal commentators are reassessing their positions in the wake of Trump's resurgence.

Tim Pool [14:20]: "Bill Maher... he called the Democrats retarded. He said, 'Democrats were like a royal family that had become incestuous and had retarded children.'"

This shift is seen as reflective of a larger existential crisis within liberal media, struggling to reconcile with a Trump-supporting base that remains vocal and influential.

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Twitter/X Platform Changes and Bot Activity

The hosts discuss Elon Musk's acquisition of X and the subsequent removal of bots, which ostensibly were propping up liberal accounts. This led to a visible decline in engagement for left-leaning personalities and a corresponding boost for conservative voices.

Tim Pool [60:05]: "MSNBC's ratings have collapsed and now, Fox News ratings are jumping. I don't see that as bots because that's the ratings tracking agencies."

There's speculation that the previously inflated engagement metrics were largely artificial, and their removal exposes the genuine popularity disparities between media outlets.

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Jon Stewart and Other Liberal Figures Defending Trump

Jon Stewart and other traditionally liberal figures have made surprising endorsements of Trump, further alienating their former audiences and contributing to the decline in liberal media ratings.

Tim Pool [55:15]: "Here's a story from CNN... MSNBC is now saying we're fine with Trump."

The hosts consider this a "bait and switch," where media figures pivot their narratives to align with the victorious conservative wave, undermining their credibility.

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Conclusion and Broader Implications

As the episode draws to a close, the hosts reflect on the broader cultural and political shifts signified by the media's realignment. They suggest that the loss of trust in traditional media outlets paves the way for alternative and independent media platforms to gain prominence.

Tim Pool [60:56]: "MSNBC and CNN's ratings have continually been getting worse. So we'll dive into all of that."

The episode underscores the fragility of media credibility in the digital age and the enduring impact of political polarization on media consumption.

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Notable Quotes

• Tim Pool [08:14]: "I think that the channels themselves... no one watches CNN."
• Ian Crossland [11:33]: "Phil. Are we having fun watching these personalities grovel?"
• Phil Labonte [33:43]: "I'm playing devil's advocate to say that some quotes and shifts are natural responses to losing support."

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Final Thoughts

Timcast IRL presents a critical examination of the current state of liberal media, the potential manipulation of public opinion through digital bots, and the shifting allegiances of media personalities post-Trump victory. The discussions invite listeners to question the authenticity of media narratives and consider the evolving landscape of political discourse.

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Transcript

[Tim Pool]

It's reporting that MSNBC and CNBC are going to be cut off from Comcast, spun off into their own companies. And the rumors are, well, their ratings are in the gutter. CNN still claims. No, no, they're making a lot of money, don't worry. Yeah, despite the fact their Weekend ratings were 28,000. So I don't know how they're affording to pay these personalities, but carriage fees, I guess. Well, they're going to get spun off, separated from Comcast. And another rumor is that the politics of this channel are very unfavorable, my friends. Not only has Jon Stewart come out and defended Trump's victory, Joe Scarborough and Michael Brzezinski of MSNBC met with him despite. Despite Joe in a viral video before the election saying there's no middle ground with this man at all. To thunderous standing ovation. Charlemagne, the God is now even supporting Donald Trump's actions to a certain degree. All of these people, they couldn't say a single word before the election. Now coming out and saying we're totally on board. And that's why the popular vote mattered so much. But of course, MSNBC staffers are calling for a boycott. They're furious. They are outraged that Joe and Micah would meet with Orange Hitler. And this is why the company has to be spun off. MSNBC and CNN's ratings have been continually getting worse. So we'll dive into all of that. And then we got some other crazy stories. Oh, World War iii, I guess Russia is building nuclear bunkers, mass producing them. They've updated their nuclear doctrine. They've said that if a nuclear power assists a non nuclear power in launching missiles into their territor, consider that an act of war. And they could theoretically use nuclear weapons in that regard. They're basically saying they're getting ready to do so. So that's great, I guess. Hopefully Donald Trump can, can get in and put an end to all this. And then we got a crazy story. Nancy Mace has proposed a bathroom bill that would bar males from using female bathrooms in Congress because there is a member of Congress entering who's biologically male but identifies as a woman. This has caused a huge controversy where a transgender individual has threatened the life publicly and overtly on various social media platforms. Public threatened Nancy Mace's life and she's responded to this. This is a wild story. Don't forget. Also cast brew.com unfortunately, Ian's graphene dream has been sold out. We sold all of it. So we're going to be launching coffee pods, whole bean versions. It's a very popular blend. But in the meantime, pick up stand your grounds. Another big favorite, a medium roast. And we do have rise with Roberto Jr. The best part about that one, it has a picture of Roberto Jr. On it. Rest in peace. And of course, as always go to timcast.com, click join us to join the movement. Get in the discord, talk with like minded individuals and you'll get access to the uncensored members only show. Not so family friendly but always fun and you get to call in and talk to us. So become a member today if you want to support the work that we do. But don't forget to also smash that like button. Share the show right now with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is hotep Jesus.

[Hotep Jesus]

Hey, thank you for following me. If you aren't following me, then follow me. Hotepjesus.com I'm here representing electionday games.com we got the crowd crowd funding website up now. This is a amazing game that teaches people how politics works in America. But it's fun, educational and yeah, you guys should definitely check it out. Election.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we were looking at it.

[Ian Crossland]

You got it in front of you right now. Pull it up so people can see. I don't know if it's in the shot or not.

[Tim Pool]

It is a little bit, but you can see it better.

[Ian Crossland]

Check that out.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah, the box, everything. Got the board. Basically, you know, you got a house and senate. If you get the house majority or senate majority, you get perks. And obviously the objective of the game is to get your guy elected.

[Ian Crossland]

I might be able to put it behind you for the show back.

[Tim Pool]

You can see it.

[Ian Crossland]

You can see it. Great.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we can, we can make it more visible, but you can see it right now.

[Ian Crossland]

I browse collection. Before you, what do you do?

[Hotep Jesus]

Who am I and what do I do? Yeah, I don't know. I really don't know what I do.

[Tim Pool]

You talk.

[Hotep Jesus]

I help people.

[Tim Pool]

You talk and people like what you say.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah, but I think, you know, that's what I think it is. I think I help people because, you know, I do a show called the Grift Report on Kik and last week somebody said to me, you know, you changed my life. I hear that a lot. You've changed my life. You changed my life. So I think I just share my life experience with people and just help people get to the next stage of their career or life or whatever it is, relationship, business wise, et cetera, et cetera. The majority of my audience is around 30 to 35 years old sometimes. I got kids in college and stuff like that, so you know my life experience. I'm 44 years old, so I share my life experience and.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, right on. Should be fun. Thanks for hanging out. Ian's here.

[Ian Crossland]

I was dig hanging out with you, man. And the question of who are you? We were having that before the show. Like, what are we're talking about? Philosophy in general and God. And like, are you God? What are you? Are you. Your frontal lobe? Are you. Are you Brian Sharp, like? Or are you something much greater?

[Tim Pool]

Nerve system? Jellyfish.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I think you are. Well, hey, I'm Ian Crossland, at least so I've been told. And I'm just back from Dallas, man. I spent the week working with the Blaze. I did three episodes of Normal World with quarterback Garrett and Dave Landau. It was excellent. I did Sarah Gonzalez's show with Michael Marsden. That was really fun. And then I wrapped up the the weekend doing Inverted World with Shane Cashman. So if you didn't see that, it's on YouTube at Inverted World. That was really great. We talked about philosophy also. Good and evil. Like the subjective nature of these things. Like, if you destroy evil, are you doing good? Is destruction a good thing? Is creation a bad thing? Like, very. Just esoteric, deep stuff. And Shane's always the man to talk to. He's great. So I'm happy to be back, man. Good to see you guys.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Avanti. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Go.

[Tim Pool]

Here's a story from cnn. And you know, I chose CNN on purpose because they're also in the gutter. But this should be fun. Comcast to spin off its cable channels, including MSNBC and cnbc, into separate company. So it's now confirmed the rumors have been bubbling up. They trickled this one out. At first they were like, the ratings are really bad. Following the. What do we have here? Is this. Do we have that one over there? No, no. The ratings got really, really bad. And so MSNBC's weekend ratings was. Were like in the 20 thousands in the key demo. It's a worthless channel. This is likely why Joe and Micah went to go meet with Donald Trump and beg because they're talking to no one. But now CNN confirms it. Now cnn, of course, wants to play defensive for them. They say Comcast is planning to spin off most of its cable television networks, including MSNBC and cnbc, in a separate publicly traded company, according to executives with Knowledge of the Planet. The spinoff is expected to be formally announced Wednesday. The Wall Street Journal, which first reported the impending announcement on Tuesday evening, said this involved USA Auction, E Sci Fi and the Golf Channel. Comcast NBC Universal division is keeping Bravo, the NBC broadcast network. The separate cable channels will have the same sort of ownership structure, they say. While observers may view the spinoff as an attempt to shed cable channels that are losing value in the streaming age, the channel still contributes strong profits to Comcast's bottom line. I'm going to pause there. See, this is the game they play. That's why I wanted to use cnn. Strong profits because of carriage fees, meaning that if your channel is on a cable network, it's being carried. You get a piece of all of the subscriptions for everybody who has cable. So that's guaranteed revenue over a certain period of time. The reality is the channels themselves. Nobody watches cnn. Look at this from this is. I'm sorry, this is right here. New York Post leftist viewers deal MSNBC and CNN a Trump slump, ratings crash. And they try to go on to explain why. But regardless, they say at msnbc, the home of the most unhinged commentary and analysis we've ever seen in the history of television, and that's saying something. More than half its audience, 53%, is no longer tuning in compared to October. They're going to mention that Rachel Maddow dropped off a million viewers. They don't mention her key demo ratings. However, they say in the key demographic the advertisers most covet. Maddow's numbers marked the smallest audience her show has seen since April 2022. It's a new. It's a new era, huh? Wow. Yeah.

[Hotep Jesus]

What happened?

[Phil Labonte]

What?

[Tim Pool]

Well, this is. This is the question we've been asking since the election, is this that regular people have woken up to the extent they were being lied to?

[Ian Crossland]

I think so. I think that it was like they were part of what felt like a movement to get Kamala Harris or whoever the Democratic Party fed them elected. And then when that thing failed, they all were like, all right, the shakedown is the gig's up. We all knew it was fake anyway. We were just trying because we felt like we were supposed to. I'm out. I'm done with this crap. I think that's why a lot of those people were feeling.

[Tim Pool]

Let me add this for context. This from the post. Millennial Jon Stewart says presidential election was a repudiation of liberal government. He spent years propping up an overly regulated system that, no, that is no longer responsive or delivering for the needs of the people. So you got Charlamagne, the God coming out, changing his tune, saying, maybe the Democrats lied to me about Trump being a fascist. You got Joe and Micah trying to meet with Donald Trump. You got Bill Maher coming out and saying, oh, these Democrats, oh boy, I can't stand them. All of these liberal personalities begging to be let into the fold and the ratings of these channels collapsing. I'd be willing to bet Jon Stewart's ratings are in the gutter. You know, he resurrected his Daily show to come back for this election cycle. I bet his ratings are gutter trash and he knows it. CNNs are in the gutter. New York Post confirms. We've seen all that data. MSNBC is in the gutter. Meanwhile, Fox News is up, conservatives are up. And once again we'll shine a light over on our good friend David Pakman, who put out a video after the election saying he was losing subscribers like crazy, as were many of these other liberal personalities. This is the culture shift.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I think that the people that have been vehemently anti Donald Trump and anti right saying that the right is full of all these bad people and all of this just neg negative opinion about anyone on the right, I think that they realized because of the, not just because of the election of Donald Trump, but the fact that everything in the country had a right lean this election. So the House was taken, the Senate was taken. If you look at all of the districts and all of the people that all of the elections that went on, everything swung to the right. And I think that even if they're not like, oh, we're going to be right wing now, we're going to start, you know, just saying, you know, supply side economics are good and family values are important, even if they're not going to do that, they know, they realize that they can't just continue to call the right racist bigots. You're terrible people, you're all Trumpers, Trump's a Nazi, et cetera. I think that they see the writing on the wall. And if you want to survive, especially in legacy media, where the writing is on the wall, that podcasts are, where it's at today, that alternative media, that the Internet, that's where it's at. It's no longer on cable news. If you don't, if you don't adapt, then you're going to be left behind. And we're seeing it with what's going on at NBC, with MSNBC and even cnbc. Typically it's not really strongly left leaning because it's all business. Right. There are people that are going to have left leaning opinions, but you're not going to have people that are just like, oh, we got to get rid of private property and we have to tax, you know, it's a good thing to tax unrealized gains and stuff like that because that, that just isn't going to fly in, in a, on a, a business channel. Even they're seeing the effects from, from NBC. So I think that it's probably writing's probably on the wall.

[Tim Pool]

Are we, are we having fun watching these personalities grovel? Basically?

[Phil Labonte]

Ev. Of course we are.

[Ian Crossland]

I kind of.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Ian's gonna say no.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I kind of, it's not really fun, but it's definitely feels good because it's like if you ever know a bully and what they do is a scare tactic, they'll, they'll, they'll flash something on the wall and everyone will freak out. And then they do it again and again and again because it, they feel powerful when they get that reaction. But then eventually people are like, they're doing that same thing now and it's annoying. Now it's not even scary, it's just bright and it's annoying. Stop doing what? A bully that's using a scare tactic to get everyone's a reaction and they're feeling good at controlling the people's reactions. Eventually that scare tactic becomes obvious. A scare tactic. You're like, I know he's just flashing a light on the wall. I'm ready for it now. And now it's just becoming annoying. You're saying the left is, they're screaming about doing. Yeah, and it is just nice to see fully exposed.

[Tim Pool]

It's, you know, it's, it's like the boy who cried wolf. I guess it's the, it's the Democrat who cried Hitler. Eventually you're just like, we get it. Geez, there's like seven Hitlers. Whatever.

[Hotep Jesus]

Well, let's, let's zoom out really fast. Let's, let's speak of the apparatus of the platform that is media. And when you launch a platform, you have to decide who you're going to speak to and what your goals are. Okay? So either it is to get viewership and get money, or it is to push an agenda, or maybe a combination of both. And it seemed like mainstream media, especially leftist mainstream media, didn't want viewers. They didn't, they weren't thinking about the dollars. They were trying to use their platform to push an Agenda. We saw that during the Trump years. We saw that before Trump got elected in 2016. And that, to me, let's, let's, let's. Let's go backwards really fast. What do people want from media? What people want from media is, number one, information without bias and the truth. And the media has failed at both of those because all we've gotten was bias. So let's say you're going to have a platform. You're going to talk to people like Temple. Temple. He talks to everybody. Talks to the left, he talks to the center. He talks to right. Mainstream media has done a good job of just platforming certain people on the left. We see with black media. Black media is out there, and they don't talk to hotep Jesus, Tim, pull. I have a hotep Jesus on. So what we're saying is a complete bias. And people are like, well, we're not getting the full picture here. Then you have the election and you see the popular vote and you go, the people have spoken with their votes, et cetera, et cetera. Right. But that's the issue. People have lost their trust in media. Media is not giving information, and it's been completely biased. But it comes back to the fact that media was not trying to make money. They were not trying to have viewers. They were specifically trying to push an agenda. You know, Orange man bad.

[Tim Pool]

And I must say this, but Bill Maher on his show, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, forgive me, he called the Democrats retarded. That hurt to say. I'm so sorry, Everybody. I'm sorry, YouTube viewers at home, but he said those words. He said those words.

[Ian Crossland]

Leave it to Bill.

[Tim Pool]

He said. He said Democrats were like a royal family that had become incestuous and had retarded children.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And he's like, that's for sure. And you know what the essence of what he's saying, that Democrat ideas have become a hodgepodge of insanity. We've been saying for years. So thanks, Bill, for coming out after the election when before he was like, trump can't win. Kamala is going to win the popular vote. And now all of these, all of a sudden, he's calling Democrats. Oh, come on, dude. Yeah, you could have said that before the election.

[Ian Crossland]

The culmination of believing their own refuse or whatever is when they said, Trump is a threat to democracy. Our candidate has been installed without a Democratic primary by our super delegate. Whatever imperial strategy is was like, okay, this is great, because I was actually talking with my mother who was Very much like, hey, Trump's. She was, she was of the ilk of like, Trump's a jerk. Mean tweets, don't want to vote for the jerk. But I was like, I'm not going to vote for. First of all, they're saying that he's a threat to democracy. While they install a candidate and are become a very big threat to democracy. Accuse your opponent of what you're doing, which was a Nazi tactic. Not only are they doing that, but not only are they blaming them, but they're doing it. And so, and she's now fully on board, fully understands the manipulation of that, that sect, that weird minority in the American population. Imperialist.

[Tim Pool]

Look at these moral cowards, ok? Because I'll give credit to every single Trump supporter and every single post liberal or disaffected liberal who had no problem saying after Joe Biden won the election, I'm not on board with the, oh, there were servers and dominion and all that conspiracy stuff. That felt like a big cope. I certainly don't think it was. Let's just say the bellwethers were off. There's a lot of questions about the 2020 election I'm fine with, but I do think Democrats largely just ballot harvested and changed the rules in order to win. After that happened, I didn't say I supported Joe Biden the whole time. I mean, Democratic Party is what it's always been. I was like, Trump is still right. Joe Biden is terrible. He's a warmonger. I have no problem saying that, even if it, even if we're losing. But look at these people. We come around and we win the popular vote. We advocate for Trump the entire time. We have a primary process with strong candidates. We're fans of Evake. Initially, we are fans of DeSantis, but he kind of, his campaign went weird and no one liked Nikki Haley. But it was a fierce primary. Trump ends up winning and we say, okay, we're going to get behind the candidate. Then after Donald Trump wins, the other liberals all of a sudden now have found Donald Trump. They have found the absurdity of Democrats. They are moral cowards. And I say this, we want their audiences and we want them giving us their whatever, whatever power or support they can. But we always must remember that these people are not to be trusted. Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, Micah and Joe, they'll sell you out in two seconds when the wind changes. But for the time being, if they're gonna sing the praises, it's a yes. You can go on one knee now. Like you had all these athletes do and accept that we were right the whole time, and we're gonna keep going, but regardless.

[Hotep Jesus]

And there's another segment, their viewership's gone. There's another segment that changed their mind before the results of the election. Like Michael Rapaport.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Hotep Jesus]

What happened there? Are we trusting him?

[Ian Crossland]

I do. I think he legitimately saw the light and was like, whoa.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The light of attacks on Israel from the left, in the streets. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, you think he turned against that?

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Towards you.

[Tim Pool]

Could you look for someone like Michael Rapoport? And there's a lot of people like him who are Democrats who hated Trump. You could literally have evidence of Trump being falsely framed and prosecuted, and they're going to be like, don't care. Donald Trump is bad. And then the moment some leftist comes out and burns an Israeli flag, they're like, I'm a Republican now.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, well, then I don't trust that.

[Tim Pool]

I don't trust them for two seconds.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't trust reactionaries in general. I don't like people that are, like, emotional. I'm. I'm now away from emotions. No, no. I like the people that are honest and look for truth and stick with that.

[Tim Pool]

If he was. If he. If like Rapaport, if he was sincere, you know, in. I did not realize how crazy the left was, and it took him. This was what woke him up. I'd say, okay, but he backtracked on Trump. He came out and said, trump is on the table. Look what's going on with these protests. Then backtracked on Trump, and now apparently, I think he's for Trump again. I don't trust that.

[Ian Crossland]

As opposed to someone like Anna Kasparian, who legitimately now sees the danger of what was happening. And I don't know what she feels. I agree, Trump, but she seems, like, full on, like she cares about truth. It always has.

[Phil Labonte]

Anna Kasparian's perspective was shaped by multiple actual events. So there was the fact that she was. Was. She was sexually assaulted by. By a homeless person outside of her house. She re. She was. She said, I'm not a birthing person. And she received all kinds of online hate from people on the left calling her all the terrible names that you get called. She looked into the. She for a long time believed the narrative about Kyle Rittenhouse. And then she finally went and looked into it and watched the videos, and she was like, oh, my God, I'm wrong. This is like, he was actually defending himself. And it's clear and she's taken Cenk to task on a lot of that.

[Tim Pool]

You know what a big component of Anna for Anna was? She said that after she got assaulted by this homeless guy, leftists started making fake videos of her statements out of context to accuse her of things she hadn't done or said. And she was like, this is. This is crazy. And I'm like, welcome to the club.

[Ian Crossland]

Anna Rogan also is another example. He said that the CNN saying that he took horse paste.

[Tim Pool]

Oh yeah. Ultimately they put a picture of a horse on the screen. So they showed Ivermectin and there's a little horse logo. And I'm like, that's crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

And it's. That was like that for me when they put Kamala in and they just tried to install a candidate. It was definitely like. I mean, I'm definitely for truth anyway. But seeing the decevious nature of that organism, that imperial tentacle within the United States is let's jump to this wisdom of Oz.

[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

Don't blame the voters. I think, look, we could get into this discussion. But Juan, I think you're blaming the voters. I think that's a terrible idea. And look, I debated Professor Lichtman before. I told him his theories about the keys were absurd. I was right, he was wrong. I said he'd lose his keys, couldn't find him before the election.

[Tim Pool]

Wrong. And that's a cheap shot and I.

[Ian Crossland]

Won'T stand for it. Who won? Brother should not be taking cheap shots at me. Who won? You live in a total world of denial. I read your own followers comments and they all trashed you, every one of them.

[Tim Pool]

And supported me.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, right. With my personal opinion. Come find out again, make whatever point you want.

[Tim Pool]

Don't make it.

[Ian Crossland]

You don't know anything. You don't know. You attacked me personally. So deluded.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Ian Crossland]

I've only been a professor for 51 years. I've never been able to finish. How many books have you published?

[Tim Pool]

Did you hear that?

[Ian Crossland]

You're personally attacking me again.

[Tim Pool]

Look what he just said.

[Ian Crossland]

I've only been a professor 51 years. I've never been able to finish.

[Tim Pool]

Professor for 51 years published 13 books. He's telling Cenk he's right about his predictions that Kamala Harris was supposed to win. And he's published all of these books and Cenk's just like, dude, you're wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

How many books have you published? No, because you're personally attacking me. Again, say whatever you want, but I'm not going to stand for you, brother. You got it wrong. You were preposterously and stupidly wrong.

[Tim Pool]

So.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, all right.

[Ian Crossland]

Can I just finish a goddamn point? I'm stupid. Ever on this show? No, not if you're personally. I admitted I was wrong. I don't need you to call me stupid. Okay, I'll just say it's great to.

[Tim Pool]

See you Democrats all getting along. This kind of goes on, but I'm really enjoying the Alan Lichtman arc because he's giving us this endless stream of very extreme Cope. And Seath, the dude stakes his career on being right about elections. After he was wrong, he makes this video where he's like, I was wrong. I own up to it. We'll take some time to assess how we got these wrong and we'll figure it out. Instead of coming back being like, here's what I misunderstood. He comes back like, actually, I wasn't wrong at all. Elon Musk interfered in the election with billions of fake news manipulations and that's actually why the keys didn't work. Right. But 160 years of history were changed.

[Ian Crossland]

By Elon Musk and the proof is I'm a professor.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. And I've written 13 books and been pressed for 51 years, so I know better than you. But this, this clip is excellent, Cope. And see, see Cenk Yuger and Anna Kasparian, they get it. I think they've been seeing the writing on the wall for some time. There are some liberal personalities, I think, like Free Press and Barry Weiss. They saw this a few years ago and they're like, guys, the left is going craz crazy. And then obviously there's people like Carl Benjamin, there's people like me or Joe Rogan, varying degrees of individuals who are on the left or liberal and then being like the left. The Democratic Party has gone nuts. Cenk Uygur is now sitting here being. He was saying this before the election. He, he didn't. He thought Trump was, was going to win. He was making these predictions. However, he, like many other liberals have only started becoming more aggressive in their description of things now realizing just how, how wrong they were and how badly they lost.

[Ian Crossland]

Biden's dementia. I don't know if he actually has dementia, but when he. It finally came out and all of the decline. Yeah, when they all acknowledged his decline, that was when everybody was like, the jig is totally up now. And I think Cenk has always been desired the truth, but being in an echo chamber. Sometimes your truth is distorted by your. By your chamber. So he's seen what he's seen. And for a lot of people, it was hard to accept that the avatar of truth in this system, the least worst situation was a, was an entertainer with a potty mouth. Because it's like, I want a good guy that makes me feel nice, not a guy that screams, she's a fat pig. And, like, gets all the attention and, like, he's gets to win. And he was the bully on the plate. I don't know if Trump was actually a bully or not. I don't think he was, but I don't know every like. Well, it was hard for some people to accept, but that's. I think that's why some people are slow to come around to it. And as a final thing I want to say about Piers Morgan's show, great people, great guests. I love peers. You need to fix your lag, buddy, because these guys are overlapping. Because there's a two second lag. They can't hear each other for two seconds. It makes this a clown show. So fix that. You get a million views, a video, I still love you. But fix that. Unless you want them to look ridiculous on purpose because the thumbnails have them all with their mouths open looking like idiots. I don't know. But please fix the lag.

[Tim Pool]

That's the pressing issue.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yes, the lag.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't want these guys to check, to be like, why can I never finish a statement on this show? Is because there's lag. It's two seconds go by.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's because Piers's show is designed around people screaming at each other.

[Ian Crossland]

I think it's. It happens because of the lag. Because they, because they, like, if I, if I had to wait two seconds to hear what you said, and you're like, he's not responding. I'm gonna keep going. And then I start to talk over you and we're like, what in the hell?

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's one of the reasons we don't do digital interviews like this. It really doesn't work. And I did this like two and a half years ago. I did a show with Ben Shapiro for his show, and we recorded it and then I had to mail a disc because it was a heavy, like 4K file or something and we didn't have the Internet. We only had 20 megabits up. And so when. Yeah, it was only 20 megabits. It's crazy. So when we were doing it, it's like you talk for a little While, and you wait and then you have to decide when to stop talking so they can then respond. But when you're in a room with someone, you can, you can see what they're going to do or whatever. Yeah, but enough about that. I'm just, I'm just here to bask in the. There, there are two sides to this post election cope and seethe. There's the Bill Maher, Jon Stewart's, Cenk Uygur's and Charlamagne. They're all being like, oh wow. Oh geez. You know, oh, Trump, we knew it. The Democrats are crazy. And then you have the inverse, which is the Kyle Kalinsky is the Alan Lichtmans, the screaming and refusing to back down, saying, we got to go harder on woke, we got to be more mean.

[Hotep Jesus]

Well, let's, let's assess what the left is. And I said this before you went to the video. The left is the wizard of Oz. And by that, what I mean is the image that they project is not who they really are, Right? And what they do is they rule with fear. And you know, they can ostracize you, they get you canceled, they can get you fired, etc, etc, but they actually don't exist. And this is something that I've noticed is that especially online, much of the support and much of the vitriol comes from bot farms. I don't know if you guys noticed that.

[Tim Pool]

I. Yes.

[Hotep Jesus]

Oh yeah, like the. We used to. I was calling them Kamala bots. Right? And so these aren't real people. And you saw that in the election. Where is that? Large left. But the main ways they control is through professors, right? So you have grade school, high school, and then of course you get to university. And a lot of that indoctrination of liberal politics happens obviously at the university level. And even, you know, for example, when Trump won the first time, my kids came from home, from school and they were all sad and they were like six at the time. Like, why are you guys sad? And they were like, something, something Trump. And I'm like, why do you guys even know about that? So even if you don't teach that the grade school level, the kids pick up the vibes, right? And they understand, well, Trump has to be bad. And this has to. If Trump's bad, then this must be good. But when we look at the aftermath, the bots, the media, it has created an illusion because people actually thought Kamala had a chance to win. They created an illusion to these people. And many of them are Boulay, intelligentsia, Aristocrats, you know, higher income individuals. These aren't your everyday people. So when we talk about Democrats and you talk about, you know, radical leftists, that's not your average Democrat. You ask an average Democrat about how they feel about sharing bathrooms with another set of group of people, they're like, nah, that's not cool. But another thing, the pronoun situation right now, you see, in corporate America, you gotta have your pronouns in your signature, et cetera, et cetera. People are fearful. They're like, I think I have to do this right?

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Hotep Jesus]

So it comes back to the Democrats rule with fear. And they're just a big wizard of Oz. And if we can pull back the veil and say, look, this is a little man and he's harmless, I think that's when we can start normalcy.

[Tim Pool]

That's the popular vote.

[Ian Crossland]

Did you see AOC took her pronouns out of her bio?

[Tim Pool]

She did, about a year ago. Oh, yeah. So people started showing her super old bio and then claiming she just took her pronouns out.

[Hotep Jesus]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And then I pulled up the archives and their pronouns were removed a year ago.

[Ian Crossland]

So sorry to interrupt. You're saying the popular vote is the incision.

[Tim Pool]

That's why it was so important. That's why I was stressing that, because this is the reason why. Look, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million. And that's why they went anti Trump. They said, that's the minority. We're the majority. They won by accident. 2020 comes around, Biden gets 81 million, popular vote wins. They say, we're the majority. 2024 comes around, Trump wins the popular vote, Republicans win everything. And now all of a sudden they're, I'm on that. I'm on, I'm on the winning side. They're always on the side that they think is the majority. That's why they go out in the streets and scream, you're on the wrong side of history. That's their greatest fear.

[Hotep Jesus]

And it's like supreme grifting.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, the power of, of echo of an echo chamber. If you don't get enough volume, the echo is not produced. And once you get enough volume, the more volume, the greater the echo. I mean, so if they fail to get the, whatever you want to call it, the status quo, then it just doesn't appear.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm going to play a little bit of devil's advocate and I'm sure that the chat is going to have a field day with this. But this is actually the goal, right? To change people's minds. Now, I'm sure that there are plenty of people that are changing and they're doing it for money, they're doing it for monetary reasons. They're doing it to save their jobs. They're doing it to save, you know, save face because they want to be on the, on the right side. I'm 100% aware of that. I totally agree. I'm not saying that that's not happening, but you don't change hearts and minds without that happening as well.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

When you actually are successful, when you have, when you have, when you put in the effort to say, no, our opponents are wrong and they're wrong here and they're wrong here and they're wrong here. And then you actually convince the voter and you see it play out in the actual election the way that we just did, that's a victory. And it's going to create downstream effects. And some of those downstream effects are going to be people that are grifters, people that are looking to save their butts, looking to just be on the, on the cool guy side. They're going to say, oh, we have to change. But this is a symptom of victory. This. And I'm not saying we're done. I don't want to. I don't. I'm not one of those guys that's like, the woke is destroyed. That is absolutely not true. They are, they. This is winning a battle. This is not defeating. This is not winning a war. But it is a, it is evidence that it can. That you, that we can win.

[Hotep Jesus]

We saw, we saw a huge culture shift directly after the results of the election. One of them was raging feminists practicing abstinence. And we're like, that's what we've been wanting. Right. And then what was the other example? Oh, another guy said, we have to arm ourselves. And then in the black community, we were saying this for a really long time. They kept grouping us with other groups of people and calling us poc. Poc. Poc. And you get Joy Ann Reid and others saying, it's no longer poc, it's just black people. And I'm like, thank you. So Trump's already made America great again, and he's already made feminists great again, and he's made black America great again. Just from those three examples, it's like they've turned into conservatives by losing.

[Ian Crossland]

I also think that kind of along what you were saying, Phil, with the way people are not maybe not shifting allegiance, but the way people are like, now I'm supporting whatever is happening. The new popular thing you got to be discerning about who you elevate to positions of power either in your own life, who you're going to pay attention to, who you're going to believe when they talk. Because the people that were saying one thing four months ago and they're saying a different thing now. You got a question? If they're worth listening to, I'll put myself in that camp. I was very blatantly on the fence and that was, you know, I knew immediately when they, I wasn't voting for Biden and when they selected Kamala, I wasn't voting for that. But I was always saying I was going to be on the fence. I do a lot of social subversion, but you don't have to believe me either, because I didn't, I wasn't in full support of. I mean, I'm always going to get behind what I believe, that's for sure. But I will, unfortunately, I will mess with you. I do that on purpose just because I feel like if you're too obvious, it's like charging a machine gun nest. But the point still stands. Be discerning about who you put your faith in.

[Tim Pool]

I want to jump to this next story. Before I do want to mention this one. Super chat Scott House said place time clocks behind guest and your head to prevent clips out of context. This is a fix from last night's conversation. I got a better idea. I'm going to make an analog random number generator. So it's a, it looks like a standard analog clock, but it will every minute just jump to random positions. So no matter what happens, anytime someone pulls up a clip of me, the clock will be changing into random ways. So it always looks like it's out of context. Anyway, let's jump to this story from the New York Times. So this is the headline they use Trump confirms plans to use the military to assist in mass deportations. They then go on to mention building detention centers. And this is where the story gets hot. In it, they actually write, let me read it for you. One major impediment to the vast deportation operation that the Trump team has promised in his second term is that the Immigration and Customs Enforcement lacks the space to hold a significantly larger number of detainees. That has sometimes led to allowing asylum seekers into the country while they await court dates with immigration judges, a practice critics deride as catch and release. The Trump team believes that such camps could enable the government to accelerate deportations of undocumented people who fight their expulsion from the country. The idea is that more people would voluntarily accept removal instead of pursuing a long shot effort terminating the country if they had to stay locked up in the interim. Asked by the proposal, Sabrina Singh, a spokesman for Pentagon, declined to comment, calling it a hypothetical. But this is where the story is now being seeded. The narrative created by the New York Times is to nudge in a detention facility, then camp. Next you will see activist outlets start reporting. New York Times says Donald Trump will build camps to round up asylum seekers. And this is the birth of their new narrative. You have seen it here first, ladies and gentlemen. So should this blossom into a big fake news hoax like they often do, you know where it came from?

[Ian Crossland]

You know, they use the word camp very readily. That word camp brings illusion of the Nazi concentration camps. Obviously, during COVID we talked a lot about in Australia, they had a facility that they were like, come stay at our facility. You can't leave, by the way. They would lock people in. And so I think Tim and I, we were both talking about calling them camps for fun because it's like, hey, let's, let's, let's just like go outside the box here. But good luck getting the New York Times to start calling it a camp. Only when the narrative suits them will they use that word.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. So during Obama, he built detention facilities. When they then talk to Trump's administration and say, yeah, we'll probably use these facilities, they then say camps. They're trying to set the stage for the. Donald Trump is going to use the military to travel around rounding up asylum seekers, to put them in camps. We predicted this. Ok? Trump deporting people here illegally is just following the law, but they want to turn it into Trump is Hitler.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

There's a clip of the new guy that's going to be in charge of the border talking with Alexandria.

[Tim Pool]

I'm home.

[Ian Crossland]

Tom Homan. Homan. And she was like, they're seeking asylum. He's like, then they should go through a legal port of entry. That's the, that's the method.

[Phil Labonte]

Otherwise there shouldn't be any kind of controversy.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

It's not.

[Ian Crossland]

But, but for some reason. So these people aren't technically. See if they're here and they say, I'm seeking asylum, they're not technically seeking asylum until they go through the legal port of entry to seek asylum. They're seeking, seeking asylum. That's different.

[Hotep Jesus]

They're invited, though. That's the sad part.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, Kamala did say, don't come.

[Hotep Jesus]

Well, before that, they were invited. And we created sanctuary cities. Right. And we created the program of asylum. So there was a big invitation and a big bow on our border that said, hey, come on in. And then when Trump came, a lot of people stopped coming almost immediately to just. Just his appearance, just knowing that he was going to be the guy in the White House. Right. So we're going to see the same thing. We'll see a decline in people crossing 0, Etc.

[Tim Pool]

So I, I think this might be the clip that's been going viral. Let me play it.

[Ian Crossland]

Zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that separated children from there.

[Tim Pool]

If I get arrested for DUI and.

[Ian Crossland]

I have a young child in a.

[Hotep Jesus]

Car, I'm gonna be separated. When I was a police officer in.

[Ian Crossland]

New York and I arrested the father for domestic violence, I separated that. Mr. Holman, with all due respect, legal asylees are not charged with any crime.

[Tim Pool]

When you're in the country illegally.

[Hotep Jesus]

Is Violation 8, United States Code 1325.

[Tim Pool]

Seeking asylum is legal. If you want to seek asylum and.

[Ian Crossland]

Go through the port of entry, do it the legal way.

[Hotep Jesus]

The Attorney General of the United States.

[Tim Pool]

Has made that clear. Okay, Mr.

[Ian Crossland]

Chair, the.

[Tim Pool]

The. The memo is.

[Ian Crossland]

Is submitted to.

[Tim Pool]

It is a violation of 8 USC. What do you say? 35. And isn't it great when she's like, legal asylum.

[Ian Crossland]

So you go through the port of entry crime, you do it the legal way. And she immediately retracted. She was like, oh, he's right. I was.

[Tim Pool]

It's their worldview is fake. Now AOC is playing this hole. Are there any podcasts you Trump voters listen to? I want some recommendations. Oh, here we go.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, well, that's promising. I don't necessarily trust her, but that's.

[Tim Pool]

Up for a grifty.

[Hotep Jesus]

She's definitely up grifty's.com vote for us. She's definitely.

[Phil Labonte]

With that move, we can get her on here. You want her to come on here?

[Tim Pool]

Our booking is talking to AOC's people.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, she's top, dude, because she is there to represent the people. And if the peoples have spoken, you know, it's.

[Tim Pool]

People in her district voted for Trump and her. And she was like, how is that possible? And then she says this thing about, like, we got to go knock on doors, because the Internet. If you think everybody just lives in this world, you're wrong. And I'm like, look, if you solicit a subset of people in your audience, you'll find it. If I said to the audience, if you guys out there are eating celery with peanut butter and raisins on it, I want to hear from you, because that's disgusting. I'm getting a bunch of messages from people who are going to say they love. What is it called? Ants on a log or something.

[Hotep Jesus]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it's disgusting. Raisins and celery. And people are going to say, I love it. It's great. Then I can show you 10 comments and be like, look at all these people who love this. Wow. Everyone loves this stuff. That's basically what she's doing. So if she wants to go and find Trump supporting podcast or whatever, good for her. She needs to expand her horizon and gets out of her fake news bubble.

[Hotep Jesus]

But that's, that's been the problem with the left is they weren't listening.

[Phil Labonte]

No, they, they were. They were determined to tell people how they were supposed to think.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah, we couldn't have discourse dialogue. I've been struggling to have any discourse with a leftist of any kind.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they won't do it.

[Hotep Jesus]

They won't. They just won't do it. And I think a lot of that is, you know, it's like, hey, Eric.

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[Hotep Jesus]

What do they. What do they. What do they tell their people? It's like, you know, if you talk to them, you're platforming.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Hotep Jesus]

Right. It's just like, you know, it's speaking to these people. They don't deserve a conversation. They're so evil that you can't have a conversation. If you have a conversation, then you're supporting evil. So again, it just comes back to that whole fear thing and saying, you know, if you talk to them, we'll cancel you.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Hotep Jesus]

Even talking to them.

[Ian Crossland]

So seems like that echo chamber has been shattered and that anyone of relevance from that community is now open to communicating across platforms. There are still segments of people that are just locked in their brains, but I don't know any of them that have any relevance socially beyond like their little Facebook group of getting 68 likes on their comment from their culted friends.

[Phil Labonte]

You say that would repeat what you times.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm sorry, that, that. That echo chamber of like they're evil. Don't. Platform that has been shattered now. And it's. It's kind of in hinge on us not to recreate the echo chamber subconsciously by being like, hey, wait, you're supposed to be in an echo chamber.

[Tim Pool]

What's that in hingent?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I like that word.

[Tim Pool]

Incumbent.

[Ian Crossland]

All of it. Yeah. It hinges on us to not recreate subvertedly the echo chamber because there's an opening now. And what I was saying is a lot of the people that are still stuck, I see, don't have any podcasts. They don't have any relevant following that I know of.

[Hotep Jesus]

The thing about the echo chamber.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, the ones that are still stuck in the echo chamber. I don't really see anybody with people like Hasan. I don't know, I have.

[Phil Labonte]

Sounds like one of the biggest streamers on Twitch. Like Destiny. Another massive, massive stream.

[Ian Crossland]

Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

He.

[Phil Labonte]

And he's. He's a. He's a. He's a. So there may be a car left guy.

[Ian Crossland]

So a couple of dudes. He's got a huge following.

[Hotep Jesus]

You know, the thing about the echo chamber is it was also designed digitally. You know, Uncle Hotep showed the other day that Gabrielle Union had him blocked. And I said, I know how she had you blocked. And what they do is they have, you know, the block list. You can upload the block list. They're doing it on that other app now.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Blue sky.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah. So they actually say, you're one of us here. If you're one of us, upload this list. So you never even hear these voices. And it creates a wall between you and them so their people can't even hear. You don't need. You don't get that type of tweets, you don't get that type of content. You get the retweets, et cetera, et cetera. So they've built a digital wall between their followers and us.

[Ian Crossland]

Powerful technology.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah, but it doesn't work when you're dealing with viral streamers like Aiden Ross, Kai Sanat and all those guys. Those guys break those barriers and Gen Z, you know, like I was talking to my son and he said, where are you going? I'm going Tim Cass. He's like, Oh, I know Tim Cass and I'm. He's 15 years old. I'm like, how the heck you do you know Tim Kaz? And he thought it was cool, but it shows you Gen Z is paying attention. They're not on Twitter. Gen Z is on the streaming sites. And those streaming sites are leaning way more conservative. And nobody liberal really has a.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they got that ad pocalypse now. We talked about this the other day. Twitch streamers are losing like 90% of their revenue. It's just evaporated.

[Ian Crossland]

And X just got new. All the ads start coming back in and this show's lit up like times two views. I'm checking in. It's like 78,000 live viewers as opposed to the 48,000 right now. Yeah. And there was like 80, 90,000 ever since the election. I don't know if the people, if alphabets like, it's time just lay off all this, this weird censorship stuff or more people are coming or if it's a combo.

[Tim Pool]

I think the popular vote victory terrifies them. Look, they're scared of the left canceling them, so they just say, do what the left wants. Once they realize they're on the wrong side of history, they panic and say, quick, quick, to the other side, to the other side. Now all of a sudden, our ratings are through the roof. Advertisers are knocking on the doors. All the big advertisers are like, we want in. There's a lot more going on behind the scenes.

[Ian Crossland]

But the Trump Rogan show had, I don't know, 200 million views across platforms in a week. I don't know what the numbers were. 80 million on YouTube. They shut it down for a day and then it was back up all over the place. It was on X, got 80 million views on X. God knows. It just.

[Tim Pool]

I want to, I want to pull up this story just as a reference. This is from Fast Company from earlier in the year. Is the dead Internet theory suddenly coming true? Here's my proposal to you guys. One of the reasons perhaps we are seeing the left lose so many viewers and subscribers and why these channels are losing ratings. Could it be that dead Internet theory was true and that it was a mechanism by corporations and governance to prop up far left ideologies to create the perception that they were popular? Let me pause first and explain what this is. You guys familiar with that Internet theory?

[Ian Crossland]

Sounds something similar to what Brian was.

[Tim Pool]

Saying earlier around 2016. The, the, the idea is that the, the Internet has become more bots than people.

[Hotep Jesus]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

So when you make a post and you're like, I don't like waffles. All of the responses are automated bots who are trying to sell a product or convince you of something to control your opinion. Yeah, let's pause and go back to the late 2000s, early 2000s with the anonymous hacker collective and Lulzac and groups like this. We discovered through the work of Barrett Brown of Project PM and some hackers who exfiltrated data that the US Air Force was creating sock puppet social media accounts to be sold to. They create them. They have a Single individual operate 50 accounts to control public opinion. Yeah, assumptions were that in Libya, one of my favorite, one of the favorite points brought up by activists during the time of the Libyan revolution slash civil war was there sure are a lot of Libyans that speak English and around American social media, but you'd see these Libyans saying, we must stop Gaddafi freedom. And the Americans would be like retweeting it, like, wow, look at this. And it was generating public support in the United States for Naito to go in and do airstrikes. No fly zones, whatever. Hillary Clinton then says, we came, we saw, he died. If dead in it theory is true and corporations and governments are largely controlling bot accounts, what you'll end up seeing is a couple of things. The first, when Elon Musk bought X, what did we see when it was announced he was going to buy X, Leftists lost tons of followers, conservatives gained tons of followers. Not as that makes sense. Well, some speculated that is because there was a thumb on the button that Twitter at the time was propping up left wing channels and holding back right wing channels. Could it be that bots were largely being operated to prop up these left wing channels to make it look like they were more prominent than they really were? Well, following Elon's takeover, users started complaining they weren't getting the same views and clicks anymore. Why is my engagement so down? I mean, for me it was kind of like every tweet I put out have thousands. Now it's like sometimes they have a thousand, sometimes a few hundred. Well, when you get rid of bots, which is what Elon's whole plan was, your engagement will go down. Your engagement was fake the whole time. But people can't tell the difference. They see 10,000 likes, they feel good. They see 1,000 likes, they feel bad even if they aren't real. Following the election, David Pakman says Brian Tyler Cohen, he all these liberals are losing followers, they're losing subscribers. Now we're hearing that the left, these liberals, are bleeding followers on X like crazy. And perhaps because they're all fleeing to blue sky. That makes no sense.

[Hotep Jesus]

Rage.

[Tim Pool]

I don't believe it for a second. Because didn't they already flee to threads? What's wrong with that? They already fled to threads. How are they now fleeing again? Doesn't quite make sense. Unless dead Internet theory is correct. Following the election of Donald Trump, the machines that were propping up these bots turned off the accounts, deactivate, the money stops flowing. No one's paying these people to run sock puppets anymore. So they all just shut it down. And then we see the left burn a bunch of followers.

[Ian Crossland]

They would be shutting them down way before he gets into office and torching all evidence that they.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, they have to wait until the election, because what if he wins?

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, after inauguration is what I meant. They're doing it before inauguration.

[Tim Pool]

So the reason why it happens immediately after the election makes perfect sense. If they're running these bot accounts, one person running 50 followers to make it look like a liberal has got a big following and making lots of money. How is this one guy getting a million views per video? They're not going to shut it down before the election in case Kamala wins. If Trump wins, who's going to pay the bills? Hillary Clinton cut a bunch of deals. You know, what was it? The Clinton Global Initiative and Foundation shuttered as soon as she lost the election, and the donation stopped coming in because we know what the point of that was. So if you are being paid to run 500 sock puppet accounts, to comment, to post, to view videos, and they've got a team of 10 running, you know, 300,000 clicks for these videos once the election's done, you're like, okay, the contract is up. We're done paying this, all of a sudden, the views drop, the subscribers drop, cancellations hit, perhaps. I'm not saying I know for sure.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah. There's also a third option. Well, first of all, there's two types of these accounts. One is hired guns, right? And the other one is private. Like just some kid in Malaysia, you know, trying to do whatever he wants to do, right? So the private guy doesn't necessarily turn his bots off, he just changes course, right? So he goes, I was shilling for the left. That was the thing to do. Now it's like all these bots now shield for the right.

[Tim Pool]

Here's another component to that. A lot of bots that operate on X and other platforms do it to create the image of that they're real. So one of the first things bots will do is they'll follow prominent social media accounts so that if somebody investigates, they see what looks like a normal user following Brad Pitt and Rachel Maddow. Could it be perhaps then that a lot of the followers were passively following what was assumed to be prominent mainstream voices, CNN liberal commentators who get lots of views because it made the bots look legitimate and then once the popular vote swung, the bots just jumped over to right wing personalities because they are viewed as more legitimate.

[Hotep Jesus]

Correct? Correct. Yeah, you'd have.

[Ian Crossland]

You'd have.

[Tim Pool]

And that's all, it's all hypothetical.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm just saying you could get the analytics. If accounts unsubscribed and resubscribed en masse, for sure you could get those analytics. Elon would have access.

[Tim Pool]

MSNBC's writings have collapsed and now, right. Fox News ratings are jumping. I don't see that as bots because that's the ratings tracking agencies.

[Hotep Jesus]

Well, what.

[Tim Pool]

Our views are way up.

[Hotep Jesus]

I know why they lose lost ratings. So CNN had a change of CEOs last year, right. And they tried to come more center, right? Oh yeah, center right. MSNBC recently tried to go more center right. So what happened was everybody was accustomed to a certain product that was extremely left. I have family members that said I'm not. They're angry at cnn, they are angry at MSNBC because they've had a more balanced take and they are no longer watching these channels. So some of that drop off is attributed to the fact that people don't want to hear anything positive about Trump because they've been so programmed with Orange man bad that it like the thought inside of them enrages them.

[Tim Pool]

So let me, let me see if I can. I'll play this clip for you guys. This is from. This is Jon Stewart. Joe and I went to Mar A.

[Ian Crossland]

Lago to meet personally with President elect Trump. And for those asking why we would go speak to the President elect during.

[Tim Pool]

Such fraught times, especially between us, I guess I would ask back. Why wouldn't we?

[Ian Crossland]

Because you said he was Hitler.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna do a one act play.

[Ian Crossland]

Called Joe and Mika go to mar a lago.

[Tim Pool]

Mr. President, your rhetoric is outrageous. I cannot in good conscience.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, are those macaroons?

[Tim Pool]

The pink one is raspberry. The best part because you called him Hitler. But that's your point. MSNBC is now saying we're fine with Trump. Joe Scarborough. Let me see if I can find this video where he gets a standing ovation. Where he says, there's no middle ground with Trump.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah, but that's. It's like bait and switch, right? But, you know, it's like, you know, let's say you purchase Pepsi, right? Or some drink, right? And then they change the formula. Like when Wendy's changed their French fries.

[Phil Labonte]

What?

[Hotep Jesus]

Why would you change your French fries? You had the best French fries that could rival McDonald's french fries.

[Phil Labonte]

Hindus got mad because they were making them in beef tallow. And. And the Hindus are like, that's not.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay with us at all.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Hotep Jesus]

Is that why?

[Phil Labonte]

That's. Yeah, seriously.

[Hotep Jesus]

Okay, so see, like, so now I'm not happy anymore, and I don't like Wendy's French fries anymore. So now it's like, if I want drunk, I go to McDonald's. Right? But it's the same thing. You've changed your recipe so people are no longer purchasing.

[Ian Crossland]

That's it. It's like, if a Pepsi changes its recipe, is it still Pepsi? I mean, it's a different drink with the same brand name. It's the same thing with these guys when they change their perception or their tune. I mean, people can change, but the vast oscillation of Mika and Joe is like changing the recipe of a food and keeping the same brand name on it.

[Tim Pool]

Listen to this.

[Hotep Jesus]

This is abrupt, too.

[Tim Pool]

This is. This is interesting. This is from April.

[Phil Labonte]

Me trying to understand other people and.

[Tim Pool]

Being so pragmatic and trying to be like, I'm okay, you're okay. Now, where can we meet? In the middle on this question.

[Ian Crossland]

We're past that.

[Tim Pool]

You can't meet if they.

[Hotep Jesus]

Listen, if they voted for Trump in 16.

[Tim Pool]

Whatever. They voted for Trump in 20.

[Phil Labonte]

They knew exactly what they were doing.

[Tim Pool]

If they vote for Donald Trump in 2024 and have said it on my show, I'll say it here.

[Phil Labonte]

They're knowingly voting for a fascist. They're voting for a racist. They're voting for somebody that wants to.

[Tim Pool]

Put this country 200 years in the back. And so I'm not trying to figure them out. I'm trying to figure out how we get people out who love democracy, who love freedom, who love the rights of.

[Phil Labonte]

All Americans, how to get them to the voting booth.

[Tim Pool]

Because that's how we. And he couldn't. And Trump won. And now they're bending the knee and kissing his pinky ring.

[Phil Labonte]

I just want to point out that fascism is not 200 years old.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

I also want to.

[Phil Labonte]

It was a creation of the 24 in the 20th century.

[Ian Crossland]

Mussolini.

[Phil Labonte]

It was his style of government Yeah, I mean, fascism. Fascism started in the, like around the same time as communism.

[Ian Crossland]

Anytime someone throws out that word from now on, and these days I'm going to ask them to define what they mean by that. Because calling someone a fascist might have a different meaning to one guy as it does to another guy. Like corporate government collusion, like the Federal Reserve. Our whole system is built on that fascist thing right now. Unfortunately, it doesn't have right around the formation of Mussolini's. Fascism is when the Federal Reserve came around.

[Phil Labonte]

Any attachment to reality though, what all it means is bad thing.

[Tim Pool]

I don't like when I pointed out this was back during the election week that David Pakman was saying, like, I'm losing all these followers and subscribers. Please don't leave, please subscribe, we need you. We pointed out it could be bots. And I said, I don't know about paid subscribers, but Twitter followers and YouTube subscribers definitely. And he took issue with that, saying that I suggested that the platform was creating the bots. I was like, that's, that's not what I said. And I actually showed an article. This is from when Elon. When Elon said he wanted to buy Twitter before he did. There was this weird moment where liberals just lost tons of followers. And they tried making the excuse that, oh, it's because liberals are fleeing and we're like, fleeing from what? Elon's not even bought the platform. Then they said, haha, Elon, you have to buy the platform. They forced him to do it. Apparently he was trying to back out. And they're like, nope, you signed the contract, you gotta buy it. Then he did. We saw conservatives gaining tons of followers before Elon bought the platform. How does that make sense? Some said it's because conservatives are coming back. No, that, that, that. I don't think that makes sense.

[Hotep Jesus]

What I.

[Tim Pool]

No change had been made to the platform.

[Hotep Jesus]

I think certain people have access to the code and somebody had access to that algorithm because the same thing happened to me as soon as it announced. And I think they went in and they took out whatever was nefarious.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Hotep Jesus]

In that algorithm because they were afraid that when they purchased a platform, it would get exposed. And I don't know if has, you know, got in and looked at previous code, but I think they went in and changed the algorithm so they wouldn't get in trouble.

[Tim Pool]

That's what a lot of people thought, that they, they took a thumb off the scale because they knew they were going to get caught.

[Hotep Jesus]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And so what that means is they're suppressing Right wing accounts and propping up left wing accounts.

[Hotep Jesus]

Correct.

[Tim Pool]

And they're doing it because they want to push the liberal worldview, knowing it cannot compete in the marketplace of ideas.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's impossible to say for sure, but it is such an easy tactic for a government, a funded agency or corporate agency to do that. A fascist agency in that instance, if it was, if the government was outsourcing it to a corporation, that would be very fascist of them to do. It would be. It's such an easy battle tactic of the mind to create tons of fake, especially with artificial intelligence. Now the advanced AI that these, the Navy and the military is working with, that they have access to, I could imagine you'd have a variety of communication weapons. I call them weapons because they're, they're shaping people's minds without them knowing. You can consider that as sort of weaponization man. So, but, so it is like a very, very path of least resistance assumption. I don't want to publicly make the assumption and start claiming it. Obviously we can't do that without evidence. But yeah, it seems like a damn fine possibility. And I wouldn't surprise me in the least. And I would say we should be on guard for it regardless. I'd actually, I want a button on YouTube where I can delete all my subscribers that haven't logged in in two years or something, all my debt accounts, because they're making my algorithm look bad. I put up a video, I got 30,000 followers, and it gets 600 views. Like probably 10,000 of those people aren't even logging in. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story. President elect Trump's Approval rating hits 54% in Harvard Harris poll. Now, I know I don't typically use single polls. I like to use the aggregate polling. But he's not even elected yet. And so this is some of the first polling that we're getting Trump at 54%. This, this is, I got to tell you, it's hilarious. He wasn't seeing this before the election. Now he's hitting 54%. And I think it's because the media has largely backed off. They realize their narrative is broken, the machine doesn't work. Advertisers are fleeing. Twitch, adpocalypse, whatever you want to call it. So what do we get? We get Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, and the likes of these liberals who are now saying, oh, Trump's not so bad. And Trump's approval rating goes up. This is the reality of fair weather political individuals in this country.

[Ian Crossland]

You got to Use it to your advantage. Even this is being war. You conquer territory. You absorb all these generals from the enemy that you conquer and they join your army. You take the landowners, they join your nation. But you, you don't entrust power to these guys right away. You don't elevate the enemy generals that are now serving you to like, positions of authority right away because they might betray you. And it's the same way with these news anchors. But you do have to accept and utilize their power and their force just in the right way, at arm's length. Whatever the case, embrace it. This is the, this is the spoils of war. They join you, they empower your new creation, but you do not elevate it to authority.

[Phil Labonte]

Someone just tweeted at me and this might actually have some, might have some substance. He said the reason Joe and Mika went to Mar a Lago was to apologize because Trump's suing mainstream media and they're trying to cover their.

[Tim Pool]

CNN ran this. It was Brian Stelter who wrote they did it because they fear retribution from Trump.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, it's, it's, I mean, they've been calling. Look, man, there was when Donald Trump was still running in 2016, before he won the election, there was a time where someone called into or Joe Scarborough was talking to someone and I don't remember who it was, but they made the point that they were thinking that Joe Scarborough might be Donald Trump's vice president pick because he had been so complimentary on Morning Joe. Donald Trump was a staple on Morning Joe. They had been friends. Joe and Trump had been friends. They were, they constantly were talking. They constantly had Donald Trump on. After Donald Trump was elected, I heard a ton of people complaining about how the reason Donald Trump got elected was because of Morning Joe because they gave him so much free advertising and so much time on air. But the fact of the matter is Donald Trump will call anyone like, Donald Trump will call, like, no presidents do this, but Donald Trump will call into Fox and Friends and be like, yo, I want to talk. Put me on the air. You know, like, that's just how Donald Trump is now. You know, Joe didn't have to have him on, which is, that's fair enough. But it's probably a situation where, you know, he was he correct. He overcorrected because he was being accused of being, of helping Donald Trump to get elected. And so, you know, the powers that be didn't like that. The left leaning media didn't like that. And so they were like, you know, know, Joe you, you need to do something to help discredit Donald Trump. And then, you know, when he realized that, you know, obviously Donald Trump's, you know, approval rating, is that now 54 or whatever? And he, like I said earlier, there's. People are seeing the writing on the wall, and so he's just swung back. But I mean, the fact of the matter is, like, everyone kind of sees that Trump is, is popular, like, it's cool.

[Hotep Jesus]

Did you expect this? Did you expect Donald Trump to win the election?

[Phil Labonte]

I honestly, I thought that the, the establishment had more control than it seems to. I thought that the establishment was going to, was going to fortify the election to the point where, where Donald Trump couldn't win.

[Tim Pool]

I had largely said I don't know. And, and it's because of the, the fortification, or the shadow campaign, as they call it. Yeah, I'm like, based on the numbers, based on the polling, Trump should win, but based on the deep state shadow campaign, Trump should lose. So I really can't tell you. What I will say is several months before the election, a year before the election, we have discussed on the show the prospect that the Deep State has lost control. As the grandchildren of those who created the liberal economic order, they don't know how to operate this machine they've inherited, and so they've lost this control, and it was only a matter of time. It looked like about a month out. One thing we talked about was that the rats may be jumping ship. And so let's say you have 100 deep state, 51 deep state spies who want to push a narrative. As long as they all believe they're going to win, they have that combined force to screw up an election in their favor. But if at any point they start to feel pressured, like maybe Trump is going to win, then they falter, they jump ship, and then without any combined strength, the Deep state Trump ends up getting through, and now they're scattering panic.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. You know, if there was malfeasance in 2020, which has always been a hotly debated topic, and Trump had won, he would have had access to investigate that.

[Tim Pool]

He has that access now.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I was the same way. I thought. I actually said on the show, if everything was on the table and was legit, Trump would win. And I use the word landslide, 74%. I thought he was going to just, just take everything. But I thought in my soul, in my heart, that the deep state or whatever would manipulate the digital voting, would flip the votes 5149. It would be very close. Kamala would come ahead. And I thought the same thing in 2016. And it was like a gut punch when I woke up to Trump winning. This is the second time that my, my black pilled cynicism has, has not won. And there's, that's a, that's a reason to, to take the momentum and go forward. It is a. I mean, it is. I don't. Words cannot even describe the opportunity as sovereign citizens that we have to create something beautiful, something real for this planet. Like all of us on the United States is the best country on earth, the best government ever created known to man, where the citizens govern themselves. It's. And I think, I think this is an opportunity to spread that, not through war, but through culture, through, like, love of country, love of what we've done and what we can do.

[Tim Pool]

Man. Man, I was shocked.

[Ian Crossland]

I wasn't shocked. I was, I just was just, I guess surprised. I don't know, it was almost. What about you? What did you think?

[Hotep Jesus]

I thought the right was on the wall. I said it on my show. I said, trump gonna win this, it's gonna be a landslide. And intuitively, I was looking at social media and I saw a huge shift to the right, and to me, it looked like the establishment wanted Trump from what I saw. And I think it was because they turned the ship so far left that it got out of control. And we saw that after October 7th, and they said, yeah, holy crap, these radical leftists that we created are no longer doing what we want them to do. They're turning against us. Let's turn this shit back. Right?

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Hotep Jesus]

And get a little bit back center. So that's why I said, okay, Trump's gonna win because they have to turn the ship back. Right? Because, and this is, this is a common theme among socialists. You know, they start to, when they start to get too powerful, they fragment them. So they go from socialist to democratic socialists. And you see this all throughout the history of socialism and communists. But when they get too powerful, they'll fragment them or they'll just shift to another direction. And it looked to me like a balance of power.

[Tim Pool]

This is, this is something we had talked about with the October 7 thing, is that they may have tried to cut a deal with Trump. Like, we surrender, don't destroy us. You know what I mean? You think it's something like that?

[Hotep Jesus]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

They go to Trump and they say, look, the left has gone nuts. We're in for Israel, we can't have them. What do we do? I wonder then if they were like, we'll wind everything down. Because, I mean, I gotta say, it does kind of make sense the way the corporate press is now acting towards Trump. Their handlers are all of a sudden like, nah, say Trump's a politico's reporting.

[Phil Labonte]

That Linda McMahon was tapped for education secretary.

[Tim Pool]

Ah, that sucks.

[Ian Crossland]

Linda McMahon.

[Tim Pool]

It sucks because we want to get rid of the Department of Education.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, yeah, Linda McMahon. She was actually in Trump's first administration.

[Tim Pool]

But in all seriousness, that's great.

[Ian Crossland]

I thought the same thing here with the Israeli, the support for Israel. And I think we talked about it in August even or before, but, like, he's the guy, he was the president that was like, would support Israel and that that might be what would get him in, is that if anything, that this. And there's lots of aspects of a deep state. Some of them are the Israel lobby. There's a lot of. According to Mike Benz, the Israeli lobby is very powerful within that deep state apparatus. And that. That might be. That influence obviously shifted towards Trump behind the scenes because of his vocal support of Israel.

[Hotep Jesus]

But, yeah, to me, the shift to the right, everybody's like, oh, it's organic. We're winning, we're winning. And I'm over here biting my nails like, oh, you know, this is part of the plan. Right. And so I'm trying to see how far right we go.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why I want Dave Smith to get in Trump's Cabinet. I want. He said he's putting a libertarian in the Cabinet.

[Hotep Jesus]

I want.

[Ian Crossland]

Dave Rogan was talking about getting Dave Smith and Trump on the show together. The three of them.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

And I think Trump can help guide his Middle east policy or Dave Smith can help him.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the, here's the conspiracy that I've talked about quite a bit that I'm not saying is true. It's a conspiracy theory. Donald Trump has always been the choice of the deep state. In the late 2000s, I remember this, Alex Jones was becoming more and more prominent and popular. Libertarians were rising up around Ron Paul. They opposed war, they opposed the imf, the swift payments into all of these things. Alex Jones had been talking about the Amaro, a North American currency rejected because people were in revolt against it. Real id, all these things. There was the guy where the Liberty Dollar gets raided. And so the conspiracy theory goes, the deep state says, guys, people hate Romney. Like, you know, Obama was not enough. We've got Occupy still Tea Party and Occupy. We have the makings of a populist uprising. How do we capture this? Well, these guys Assuming they're not stupid. Say, okay, look, we tried the Obama route. He's not an old white man. He's hoping he's changed. He came out of nowhere. He challenged the machine. It didn't stop the Tea Party and it didn't stop Occupy Wall Street. So that doesn't work. What we need to do is have our a champion defeat the evil that the populist movement fears. How do we do that? So they say, Donald Trump's a billionaire. He's a friend of ours. Let's get him. We will prop him up as this upstart outsider. He's a billionaire, by the way, who challenges the machine. We'll try to destroy him, but never really. We'll put him, you know, he'll be in on it with us. And then we'll. We'll set him up to be the champion who defeats the evil machine empire and what ends up happening. You'll get the likes of Alex Jones cheering on the executive branch. You get the likes of Lucret, Luke Rudkowski, and you will get those Ron Paul Libertarians voting Republican. They will line up next to the American flag to strengthen this country, strengthen its ties to government, and champion its president in his authority to helps, you know, control everything. So that's the conspiracy theory. I'm not saying it's true. Well, but people believe that Donald Trump, who was friends with the Clintons and friends of these people, they chose him to be this. I'm going to challenge the machine. They play the heel. Trump defeats the bad guy. And Dave Smith votes Republican now, right? It seems like, how do you get plausible to me. It's like imagine the CIA saying, how do we get Dave Smith a vote Republican? And they're like, here's the plan. And I'm not a fan of conspiracies, though, because a simple solution tends to be the correct one. The people who created the liberal economic order have long since passed. The grandchildren who have inherited this thing to the CIA have no idea what they're doing. The BRICS nations are growing out of control. The deep state has no idea how to maintain the narrative machine. The ratings are collapsing, and Donald Trump rises up in the wake along with other populist movements. Makes substantially more sense.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, there's room for another world order, for sure. Like the evolution of the world order is happening in front of us with brics and with the liberal economic just failing to manipulate. Yeah, Bricks is Brazil, Russia, India, China.

[Hotep Jesus]

I know what BRICS is, but bricks is not a threat.

[Ian Crossland]

Not a threat. I wouldn't call it threat, but it's another type of world order, economic world order. And so it's, it's, and it's, it's been growing in the last few years and the liberal economic order is floundering. Trump, there's bitcoin, there's this digital world, potential world, but if the power goes off, you know, you don't have access to your bitcoin.

[Hotep Jesus]

I mean, you don't have access to anything without the power, you don't have access to your checking account.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, unless you have cash, man. Unless you actually have cash.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Without power.

[Ian Crossland]

Gold medals.

[Tim Pool]

Imagine carrying around gold coins everywhere with.

[Ian Crossland]

Your little dagger in your pouch. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You'd probably actually have copper, silver.

[Phil Labonte]

Silver dimes are still.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you can use those.

[Hotep Jesus]

One of those things would be money.

[Ian Crossland]

So heavy.

[Tim Pool]

Silver and silver, copper and gold.

[Hotep Jesus]

No. Bullets would be gold, maybe.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's. Hold on. Not if the power goes out. You're talking about if there's total economic collapse.

[Hotep Jesus]

If the power goes out. What do we. Yeah, if the power goes out. You can still have digital currency. It's called offline currency. That'll be part of the cbdc.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So the first thing we're talking about is what if the power goes out? You have no access to bitcoin, you have no access to your checking account, but you can still trade with cash and precious metals or whatever.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If society crumbles. Yeah. Bullets are everything.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But I gotta be honest, we've made this joke where it's like you go to the grocery store and you're like, I'll take a gallon of milk and I'll take those cans of beans. Do you have change for 50 BMG? And they'll be like, yeah. And they'll give you like a handful of nine millimeter or something. Yeah, like that's the joke. But bullets are going to be more than currency because like a single.22 long rifle is going to be worth a lot. You're. You're talking about a tiny bullet would be impossible for the average person to make. It'd be very, very difficult if society was totally.

[Ian Crossland]

I hope Fallout makes bullets the currency instead of caps. Because bottle caps, that's not bullets.

[Tim Pool]

You.

[Ian Crossland]

So many anyway in the game, it'd be a great currency to use.

[Tim Pool]

Funny thing about fall is that bullets are still around after hundreds.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

You find bullets. No, no, no. They'd be so rare. Like a bullet.

[Tim Pool]

Book of Eli. You've seen Book of Eli?

[Ian Crossland]

No.

[Tim Pool]

So it's post apocalyptic and he's got A shotgun. And the guy's like, what's that? They're never loaded anyway because there's no boat. But he does have shotguns would probably.

[Ian Crossland]

Be the most popular weapon. Blunderbusses, things you can just explosive rocks. No, no, it's short range.

[Tim Pool]

If we're talking about a post society collapse. Ian's right.

[Ian Crossland]

Blunderbuss.

[Tim Pool]

Because they'll. They'll just pack it and they'll jam rocks and garbage in it and then blast you with whatever's lying on the ground.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

If you can get close enough to the.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's going to be.

[Ian Crossland]

Look a water too.

[Tim Pool]

Making. Making black powder with like bat crap and other things like this. Your average person can find a book in an old library and that knowledge will persist. It'll probably become fairly common and there will be small groups that try to make black powder. In that case, it's going to be makeshift blunderbuss.

[Phil Labonte]

If you're talking. Yeah. If you're talking about like blunderbuss or makeshift stuff. Yeah, that's. That's fine. But there are to go through the amount of ammo that is currently saved up in random dudes basements. I mean there's a lot of ammo out there. Like, I mean I ha. I have a lot of ammo here in West Virginia. That's not talking about how much ammo I have in New Hampshire. Okay. Like. And there's a lot of dudes like me. So ammo. Maybe. Maybe ammo will have value and maybe people will use it for currency. That's completely realistic. But you're. I think that you would see the lights come back on unless there's a. Unless there's a massive, you know, massive die off like of people that are competent. I think that's.

[Tim Pool]

We're not. So that's why I said if the power goes out, gold is fine. Because so long as the standard culture exists, people will feel there's value between these things. We're talking about total social collapse. Then people are going to be making makeshift things with, you know, rocks, dirt.

[Phil Labonte]

Some, like I said, some. I do think there will be people that are going to do what they can if they don't have anything. But there's. There's a lot.

[Hotep Jesus]

But how long is the power out?

[Tim Pool]

What I'm saying is if right now the power. Not for several months.

[Hotep Jesus]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

People are trading gold. If the power. If the power goes off and we're in an economic crisis in World War 3 and it's a year, people are trading Gold, cash and things of value.

[Hotep Jesus]

What if you don't have gold?

[Tim Pool]

You're trading something of value or bartering, doing labor, silver, whatever it might be, but probably not silver. The average person doesn't have these things, right? What I'm saying, Phil, about people making blunderbusses, we're not talking about modern power goes out and there's disorder and everyone's walking around. Total social collapse is like a catastrophic nuclear bombs wipe off, like fallout goes.

[Ian Crossland]

Down and like breaks off PVC pipe out of his basement and like sticks in some whatever explosive PVC wouldn't work.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But one thing Fallout does get right is the enough duct tape it might in later. In the newer Fallout games, you get the. What are they called? They're the makeshift. Like.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh yeah, pipe pipe rifles.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, pipe rifles.

[Ian Crossland]

Metal pipes.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they're really crappy, but people just understand the general concept.

[Ian Crossland]

Nails.

[Tim Pool]

Total social collapse. Like we're talking about fallout. 200 years from now. There's not. Everything's going to be wiped out. You're not going to find ammo lying around. There may be caches underground that people have lost. And maybe you'll find powerful wealthy people at that time, if you can define it as wealthy, will probably be wealthy because they have found access to these things. The average person is probably going to have blunderbusses and they jam garbage in it with.

[Ian Crossland]

With Trump talking about whether or not he's. I don't. I'm kind of with you. I don't think he was like subvertedly put into power to like empower the deep state. I think it was just kind of like things are a mess and he's the most popular guy. But like, I am concerned that he, He. I not too concerned that he could be twisted into doing horrible evil. I don't think so. I think he's kind of shown us that he's not doing that. Some of the things that concern me though, like the photo op with the McDonald's on the airplane. Did you guys see that? Maybe. Maybe brought it up and it's RFK. He's got RFK. He's forcing him to hold McDonald's.

[Tim Pool]

No, he's not. He's not having a burger.

[Ian Crossland]

McDonald's burger.

[Tim Pool]

RFK Jr tweeted about how he can't wait to eat McDonald's and they bring back tallow.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He's never been like, McDonald's should be banned and no one should ever eat it.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

But these are all hoaxes.

[Ian Crossland]

What do you. No, no, I don't think.

[Hotep Jesus]

Aren't those.

[Tim Pool]

No one forced RFK Jr to eat a cheeseburger.

[Ian Crossland]

I think Trump was like, here, hold this. And he's like, no, I doubt it.

[Tim Pool]

They probably said, hey, we got McDonald's for the plane. He was like, okay, great.

[Hotep Jesus]

But can you say, make America healthy again and have McDonald's?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, absolutely. You're allowed to have a cheeseburger now and then. That's.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the thing. Like, are you a hypothetical. He's not saying to eat it every day, and I'm sure he doesn't eat it every day, but, like, in. In all things moderation. Right? Like, it's okay.

[Ian Crossland]

Not all things. Some things don't ever do what? Okay, there's something.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Don't drink. Yes. Don't drink poison.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, fine.

[Phil Labonte]

Don't. Don't eat uranium.

[Hotep Jesus]

Fine.

[Ian Crossland]

I would say black tar heroin.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Stay away.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, fine, Fine. Okay. Let's just focus on, like, you got.

[Tim Pool]

To give in that one.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's true.

[Tim Pool]

Don't.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, don't. Don't shoot yourself in the face. Yeah, but the point. The point is like, like, it's okay if you have, you know, a cheeseburger or if you have McDonald's once in a while. If you have it like, once a month, you know, it's fine if you have. Have, like, you know, people that like to. I don't drink really, but even though I don't drink, I had a champagne on election night, and I. I had a cigar the night after, and I haven't smoked cigarettes. You know, I don't smoke cigarettes anymore, and I quit smoking cigarettes in 2019. You can. You can do things that are not particularly great if you're doing them in moderation.

[Ian Crossland]

I'll say. Rfk his face. He didn't look happy. He wasn't taking a bite.

[Tim Pool]

I.

[Ian Crossland]

It was after. After coming out and saying, we're going to make everybody healthy. And then the next, a week later, it's a picture of him with McDonald's. It's like, kind of feels like Trump was flexing on him. He's like, I'm your boss, so let's.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's not. Mitt Romney picture you. The Mitt Romney picture. That, that. That you may be thinking of. You know, do you know, remember the Mitt. So after. After the election, Donald Trump had dinner with Mitt Romney. And after, after they. Donald Trump said some terrible things about Mitt Romney. And Mitt Romney was looking back at the camera like, okay, like, very sheepish.

[Tim Pool]

But here. Here's here's an article from Buzzfeed. The reactions to this picture of RFK Jr eating McDonald's on a plane are hilarious. Let me, let me pull up the image first. And everyone's claiming that this is hypocrisy. He wants to make America healthy, but he's eating McDonald's. He's opening up a burger. It looks like he might have some chicken nuggets or something right there. Look at that. He has a Coca Cola with high fructose corn syrup. Look, look what people are saying. Help. A lot of people made the joke where they were like, rfk, no. So I say this, okay? There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about RFK Jr. Having McDonald's. And I also don't think his face is being like, help. He's sitting. I'll tell you this. They sat down there on the plane, they said, guys, we got McDonald's. And he went, oh, great. Well, I'll take a Big Mac. And then they put the Big Mac down and they go, hey, everybody look. And then he takes the burger and he looks up, up. Take a picture of his face. And now everyone's claiming they know exactly what he's thinking. He's a hypocrite. The dude probably ate the cheeseburger and said it's great.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't even think he ate it. I bet he just posed with it because it. Trump asked the burger. Well, he said that flying on Air Force. I was just reading this earlier that flying with Trump is like, you're only able to eat poison. There's just crap, terrible food on the airplane. He's made that statement publicly.

[Tim Pool]

He said that.

[Ian Crossland]

He doesn't. Yeah, I was just reading that earlier today. You can pull up the word flying with Trump. Toxic, poison, stuff like that. You find out. I wonder where I was reading that and maybe could have posted that.

[Tim Pool]

Economic Times perhaps. Let me pull this up. I don't know what this is. After saying Donald Trump eats food that is practically poison. RFK Jr. Photographed on President elect plane. Enjoy McDonald's and Coca Cola. See, I still reject that hypocrisy. Like you're allowed to say, guys, exercise, eat, right? And if I catch you eating a bowl of ice cream, I'm not going.

[Ian Crossland]

To be like, but it. No, no, I don't focus.

[Tim Pool]

Beans, hydrogenated, whatever.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that stuff is like a five year half life. It takes forever to get out of your half life. It just to get, get half of it out of your body is like two and a half years.

[Phil Labonte]

No, it's that's not what a half life. First of all, that's not what a half life is.

[Ian Crossland]

Half life's a nuclear term of radioactive decay. But it takes about five years for that stuff to get out of your system.

[Phil Labonte]

Don't think that that's what I've been.

[Ian Crossland]

Told by Kate Shanahan, the doctor, and she's written a book called Dark, Dark Calories. I interviewed her on YouTube. Kate Shanahan. She's like a leading pioneer on the science of.

[Tim Pool]

No, dude, I think you're confusing. The story was that McDonald's doesn't rot for five or six years.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, it's a. Shanahan's evidence on vegetable oils in general that they take about 5 years to get out of your system.

[Tim Pool]

I agree. McDonald's is bad. The point is, RFK Jr having a burger one time is not a big deal. I avoid tons of garbage. Guess what, guys? I have a confession to make. Ian, I'm sorry. I had chocolate fondue on Sunday.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, what kind of.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, no. We went to melting Pot, and so we did the cheese. You do the cheese fondue and then you do. So they give you. They. We had two things full of different cheese. We had a Swiss cheese, and then we had a cheddar cheese with garlic. It was amazing. Then they bring out vegetables and meats, and I was dipping pudo in cheddar. It was amazing. And then for dessert, I had chocolate sauce on strawberries.

[Ian Crossland]

You can handle a bit of sugar, right? It's just addictive. That's the thing.

[Tim Pool]

Someone saw me eating chocolate dipped strawberries. They'd be like, I thought he was doing keto. And I'm like, dude, I had. I had a handful of strawberries one day.

[Ian Crossland]

If you allow the addiction to take over, and now the next day you're craving it, the next day you're eating it. That's a big problem, right?

[Tim Pool]

Having a burger is no big deal.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, first, he's not actually eating it, so I don't know if he ate it or not. But secondly, I think what's happening. This is. My theory is that Trump wants to literally make McDonald's healthier. He wants to make McDonald's more popular and then get them profitable so that they can start using beef tallow and healthier ingredients.

[Phil Labonte]

The beef tallow isn't coming. I don't think the beef tallow is coming back. And the reason I don't think it's coming back is because of Hindus.

[Ian Crossland]

That's such a small segment of reality, though.

[Phil Labonte]

It's not like A billion and a half Indians in India, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but it doesn't matter because the issue right now for the market, there is a much bigger vegan market than there is a anti seed oil market. So McDonald's is thinking if we use vegetable oils for our fries. We don't. We're not going to bother the vegans, the vegetarians or the Hindus. So we're better off doing that because no one else complains about vegetable.

[Ian Crossland]

You could use olive oil. It's expensive. Olive oil, coconut oil.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, there's no way they're boiling fries in olive oil.

[Ian Crossland]

I wish you would. But like beef tallow, like lard. That's like the next avocado oil company. Yeah, they do beef tallow.

[Tim Pool]

Beef tallow.

[Ian Crossland]

So they could do beef tallow. They could do at least an option.

[Hotep Jesus]

What are the ramifications of mixing starch with beef?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

What, like, what's it.

[Tim Pool]

That's what they do.

[Hotep Jesus]

Is that like when you digest it together?

[Tim Pool]

Ah.

[Hotep Jesus]

Do you know if that's a positive or negative net? Negative to your health?

[Ian Crossland]

My personal experience is sugar and meat is a bad combo.

[Hotep Jesus]

I so the concept of a burger.

[Ian Crossland]

Itself, like bread which breaks down into sugar and and then mixes. I might be a problem, but that's.

[Hotep Jesus]

What burger you get.

[Tim Pool]

I just stay away from the carbs.

[Ian Crossland]

I do like meat by itself.

[Tim Pool]

Lettuce wrap.

[Ian Crossland]

That's how you're vegetable with it.

[Hotep Jesus]

That's how you're technically supposed to have your beef. So you know, you can argue of whether it's a McDonald's burger or another type of burger, but technically you're not supposed to mix carbs with beef.

[Tim Pool]

Is that like a dietitian thing or what?

[Hotep Jesus]

It's a, a biological thing.

[Tim Pool]

I don't need sugar. I just generally stay away from it. And I feel substantially better every time. So, you know, I did keto for a couple years. I felt great, got a personal trainer and said, just tell me what to eat and I'll eat it. Let's see how it goes. Did not enjoy it. It was, it was ups and downs. It's like I come in the morning, I record two segments and I'm about to pass out and I'm like, gotta go eat lunch. So I asked Chat GPT. I'm like, make me a diet plan. And it told me to eat like every hour and a half or two hours. So then I'd make like a peanut butter banana thing for a snack. Then I'd be like, okay, let's go record. Then after a couple segments, I'm like, I'm so tired, man. Oh, I'm drained. Gotta go eat more food. And I'm like, this is awful. Now I have two eggs, goat cheese, cheddar, avocado. That's it. With a protein shake, no sugar. It's probably like five carbs maybe for breakfast. And I have energy until 5pm what.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you do with your protein shake? What's the liquid you use?

[Tim Pool]

Coconut milk.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, awesome. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it's got like six. Six carbs in it. That's where the carbs.

[Ian Crossland]

A little bit of sugar.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's. It's because coconuts have it.

[Ian Crossland]

I do. Coconut water.

[Tim Pool]

Right. The cocoa.

[Ian Crossland]

There's sugar in that. There's like seven grams of sugar.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The coconut milk is much less. For whatever reason, whatever I get is much less. And. And then I do half and half.

[Ian Crossland]

You do need a little bit in your diet.

[Tim Pool]

Got a little. A little. Half and half is what makes it half and half. Yeah. You need the fat. Because protein shake without fat is just. It's kind of.

[Ian Crossland]

Isn't that half and half weird additives, though?

[Tim Pool]

No, I get the good stuff. We get so. But I know, but I'm RFK Jr. Maha all the way, dude. Because I was saying this. I go to the grocery store and Allison's like, I want to get some cottage cheese. And she grabs one, puts in the cart. I look at it and I'm like, look at the ingredients. It's got like carragean gum or like whatever that stuff is. I'm like, why is this in the cottage cheese? We put it back, we grab daisy ingredients. It's like cultured cream, skim milk, salt, and I'm like, done. There you go. Food.

[Ian Crossland]

I heard you talking about elimination diets with last night. I think it was. You were spot on, in my opinion. It's not about what you're adding, what you're putting in. It's really. It's not about the meat. Like the carnivore diet. They say, I'm only doing meat. I'm only doing meat. It's so great. It's about all that other stuff that's not in your diet anymore that you've eradicated the yellow five or whatever the hell.

[Hotep Jesus]

If you're rfk, how do you make America healthy again?

[Tim Pool]

What do you do? I'm so excited.

[Hotep Jesus]

What do you do? Like, what's the first thing you do? Do you eliminate things?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Hotep Jesus]

Adding.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes. Yes. Things.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So first of all, all dyes I think the first thing you can do is he can probably just ban the dyes and be like artificial dyes and coal tar derivatives we don't put in our food. If he doesn't want to go that hard, that fast, he can say it is required. He can, he can require, I guess through the fda, he can require food labeling to be the name of the product, not some marketing brand. Red 40. No, no, no. Call it what it is. Yellow. Yellow five. Tartrazine. Put that on that and tell your kids you're feeding that to them.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know if he actually, I don't know how. I don't know how this would go, because this would be something that the Department of Agriculture has something to do with as well. But I imagine if you could get rid of corn subsidies so that would. So that way it was actually more beneficial to put in real cane sugar as a porn as opposed to high fructose corn syrup. The reason that everything is made with high fructose corn syrup is because corn subsidies, the government pays farmers to grow corn. I'm not sure why. I don't know the whole reason, but I know that it makes it cheaper to use corn. High fructose corn syrup than to use regular cane sugar. So if you get rid of those.

[Tim Pool]

You don't even need cane sugar. And that's the crazy thing. Yeah. Nowadays, you know, we've got cultural problems. I drink here a delicious spindrift. This is raspberry lime. In the ingredients, carbonated water. Raspberry, raspberry puree. Lime juice as one carbonate.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

From.

[Tim Pool]

And everybody loves these. We drink them all the time. Why drink 45 carbohydrate Coca Cola with weird acid chemical garbage in it? I just don't understand. You know, it is true that millennials have been leading the charge and not drinking soda.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So soda companies have been collapsing and now that they ran these commercials a few months ago where it was like a guy wearing like a Dr. Pepper thing and he's like, did you know that we offer sugar free options? And then it was like a Soda Coalition advertisement being like, please drink our disgusting chemical juice. And I was like, nah, I will drink water.

[Phil Labonte]

Nowadays there's, there's options. There's like, there's a stevia leaf extract and there's like, this is this stuff, this core power. This has got only 5 grams of sugar.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we, we get these and.

[Phil Labonte]

Delicious. They're delicious. Five grams of sugar. And it's. It's what?

[Tim Pool]

But, but let me read the ingredients. Filtered low grade A milk, alkalized cocoa powder. So far so good. Natural flavors. Okay, whatever. Monk fruit juice concentrate. Totally fine with monk fruit stevia leaf extract. Eh, but it's okay. Carrot carrageenan.

[Ian Crossland]

Is that you pronounce it a thickening agent.

[Tim Pool]

Cellulose gel Cellulose Gum Maltodextrin, acetyl potassium, sucralose, lactase enzyme, Vitamin a, palminate, vitamin D3. Okay, so let's talk about acetone, potassium. Fake sweetener. Not interested. Sucralose, that's Splenda. That's a sugar molecule bonded to chlorine. Not interested. So there was a study that came out recently that said colon cancer. The reason why tons of young healthy athletes are getting colon cancer is because of emulsifiers which is the cellulose garbage and the gum that they put in our drinks. The reason they put the gum in it is because people like things to feel thick and creamy cuz they like cream. So instead of putting fat in your food, they put gum in your food to make it thick. And I find that disgusting and I don't want to eat it.

[Ian Crossland]

I do a peanut butter powder. Man that thickens up my coffee.

[Tim Pool]

There you go.

[Ian Crossland]

Like a milkshake. Shout out to Jack Posobic for turning me on a peanut butter powder.

[Tim Pool]

It's a good idea.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh it's so good dude.

[Phil Labonte]

Peanut butter powder.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, just powdered peanut butter and a big canister. PB I think is the company that I use. And coconut water makes it sweet.

[Tim Pool]

It's a good idea.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh it's delicious.

[Tim Pool]

I can't stand when no matter where we end up going, we go to any convenience store, any gas station, whatever we want to get something to drink. It's all garbage.

[Ian Crossland]

I guess the ban hammer if RFK is really going to make things it's like you can't have that thing anymore because that's the elimination diet at the global scale. But it's going to affect the petroleum industry. For instance, like Red Five Lake or whatever. Red Red 40 Lake and Yellow Five Lake. There's these new. They used to be Yellow Five, now it's Yellow Five Lake. I think they used to be derived from coal tar, now they're derived from petroleum. Could be wrong about that. So that would technically affect the bottom line of the petroleum industry which you know is a challenge. The oil industry is very influential and powerful.

[Phil Labonte]

If I was has over 100 studies, safety studies representing over 20 years. And it says that it's safe and it says that the body doesn't. It Says what happens to sucralose after consumption? About 85% is absorbed. Yeah, I know. It's, it's, you know, it was invented. I don't know how it was invented.

[Tim Pool]

But, but, but they were trying to create a pesticide.

[Phil Labonte]

But the point, the point is it's saying that it doesn't if your body doesn't absorb it. And it's saying that.

[Tim Pool]

So I drink monk fruit.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, this has monk fruit juice in it.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. So why. So what I can't stand is they're putting this lab made fake sugar in the drink and then telling it, telling you it's safe. And I'm just like, I'd rather just not have that.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, if you don't, that's fine. You, I'm not telling you that you should. But the point that I'm saying is like, just be like, I don't, I don't think that just because something was, was manufactured doesn't mean that it was. That it's automatically bad for you.

[Ian Crossland]

That's right.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, so it's like, I, I understand that you want to be, you want to be concerned about what you're taking in about sucralose.

[Tim Pool]

They were trying to make a pesticide when Fondas, the discoverer, a researcher at Queen Elizabeth College.

[Ian Crossland]

Pull this up on the screen while you're talking.

[Tim Pool]

It's just text. He was told to test the chlorinated sugar compound, but he, Mr. Misheard the advisor's instruction as taste it.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh my God.

[Tim Pool]

So he took the pesticide he had made and tasted it and said, tastes good. And the original idea was, hey, if we bond chlorine to glucose, the insects will go and eat it and then die. And then they were like, hey, this is kind of sweet. And they started running tests on it and they were like, the body doesn't absorb it, so let's market it and sell it to people and put it in all our food because it's safe. Look, they also look, look up gallon gum. They'll tell you that's fine too. I don't want lab made chemicals in my food. I'm just done with this. There's something weird about America.

[Phil Labonte]

No one's saying that you have to have it.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I don't Dr. Drink that stuff anymore.

[Phil Labonte]

That's fine.

[Tim Pool]

And this is the point of what RFK Jr is saying. What is it that butylated. What is it? Butylated hydroxy toluene in our, in our breakfast cereals. Why we don't need that garbage because they're trying to maximize profits.

[Ian Crossland]

About sucralose, it doesn't get absorbed, but it may cause free radical damage. So as it passes through your system, it takes electrons away from things or gives them to things.

[Phil Labonte]

You're saying, yeah, but like I said, you're saying it may, but like I.

[Ian Crossland]

Said, hydroxyl radicals, like I said, right.

[Phil Labonte]

Now there's, there's a hundred, there's 100 studies that say that it's safe. Again, don't get, don't get. I just don't think that it's a good idea to get wrapped up in the. And it's something that I'm unfamiliar with or it was, it was made in the lab. So we have to reject it out of.

[Tim Pool]

Very familiar with sucralose and have been for decades. And that's why I have always avoided it. So the issue I take is that. Well, I'll put it like this. I hear this from everyone who travels the world. When I'm in Europe and I eat food, I lose weight. When I come to America, I eat the same food, I gain crazy amounts of weight. I've heard that from everybody. People are from Mexico, Puerto Rico, France, whatever. They're like, man, I was in, I was in Korea for a few months and I just lost tons of weight. And then I came back to America, I'm eating the same things and I'm just gaining weight like crazy. And I'm like, yeah, how about this? It's actually simple. Instead of trying to figure out how safe sucralose or butylated hydroxy toluene is, we just don't eat lab made chemicals that don't need to be in food. And look, I get it. Maybe some people can't afford to not eat these things. But I go to the grocery store when I if I'm broke by tortillas, ingredients, corn, salt, whatever, and vegetables. And I'll eat that if I have to.

[Phil Labonte]

I get what you're saying, but my point is, is that we people get wrapped up, up in, in names or titles and stuff. Everyone loves to say, oh well, this is all natural. Well, lead's all natural and I'm not eating lead. And just because lead is natural doesn't mean it's good for you.

[Hotep Jesus]

It's a marketing term.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's like, so the, the idea that just because it's made or it's all natural or something like, or it's found in nature or whatever, these kind of ideas actually mislead people.

[Ian Crossland]

Genetically modified as well.

[Phil Labonte]

Because oranges, everything's genetically.

[Ian Crossland]

Oranges are genetically modified, crossbreed from lemons.

[Phil Labonte]

If you look at modern bananas, compared to like a banana, what bananas were like 500 or a thousand years ago, there's. They're a totally different thing. There's selection for the most abundant producing vegetables or whatever that's genetically modified as well.

[Tim Pool]

Here's Google search. When digested, sucralose produces a byproduct that can damage DNA, which may lead to cancer or other health problems. Consuming sucralose may disrupt the gut micro microbiome, which can increase the risk of developing tissue inflammation. High doses of sucralose can limit T cell proliferation and differentiation, which may dampen T cell mediated responses. Sucralose can trigger insulin resistance, which can also lead to follicular dysplasia in mice. Sucralose in one of its hydrolysis products can be mutagenic at high concentrations. Cooking with sucralose at high temperatures can produce chloropropanols, which are a potentially toxic class of compounds.

[Hotep Jesus]

Rfk. I'm gonna help you out. Rfk. I'm gonna help you out. I'm gonna tell you how to make America healthy again. Are you ready? Sit down. Rfk. I'm gonna teach you right now. Do you remember the Got Milk campaign? Yeah. And that went all across America. Okay, so let's put that aside. We're gonna come back to that point. What you gotta do is you gotta make America sexy again. I'm gonna say it one more time.

[Tim Pool]

Bring sexy back, huh?

[Hotep Jesus]

You gotta bring sexy back if you show healthy individuals. I wouldn't eliminate anything from the diet because there could be economic ramifications of all of that. Let's not mess up the economy any more than we already have. Let's let whatever's going to happen in the economy happen gradually because you don't want any abrupt changes. What you want to do is you want to go to Netflix and be like, yo, you put a fat person in this movie, we're locking you up. No more fat people.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that's something that we talk about on PC. See, on pop culture crisis, a lot is advertisements. People should. We should. They should be aspirational. Like to put fat people in, you know, as models and stuff like that. That's not. That's not a good thing. You should be putting people. You should put people in positions, people that you want to look like in positions of, you know, for models and stuff like that.

[Tim Pool]

We got to go to Super Chat. So if you haven't already. Would you kindly smash that like button? Share the show if you like it. And if you are watching, become a member [e-mail] so go to timcast.com right now. Click Join us. Get involved in the Discord server. There's a lot of people that hang out. We got meetups, pre shows after shows, but you get access to the uncensored members only show. And it's going to be pretty brutal tonight because Nancy Mace's life was threatened. And I think, you know, we want to talk about it, but considering it is so, so serious, I think this one's gonna have to be uncensored so we can get to the nitty gritty of. You'll hear like, so we can talk about like the threats are public and online. It's crazy stuff. She's apparently reported to the sergeant at arms. Hopefully there's some action taken against this person threatening to assassinate a sitting member of Congress. But we'll talk about that in the members show. For now, we'll grab your super chats. All right. Hal Gailey says first. Indeed. You win. Scooby Dragon says second. Yes. And Polly Puree with third while you guys coordinate this. All right. Jacob Parody says, hey guys, please consider supporting my niece's business on Public Square. It's called Narbar's candles. She uses a coconut based wax instead of paraffin or soy. Remember, Christmas is coming up. That's a good point. Christmas is coming up. We got to get gifts. James Thompson says, tim, please tell me you saw Jenks takedown of Alan Lickman on Piers Morgan. Even Harry Sisson was laughing at him. I know, it was so good, dude. If Lichtman owned up to it and was just like, I think I was fed incorrect information and I think I was wrong about this, we'd all be saying like, yeah, man, the fake news is terrible, isn't it? Instead he keeps doubling down. No, I wasn't wrong. It's. It's everyone else who's wrong that's cringe. The deplorable Mrs. Ms. Drake says, if Matt Walsh joined the View like he offered, I'd watch it every day. Just saying there are ways they can save themselves. Good the View, but it would be hilarious if Matt was there. Oh, what do we got here? The deplorable mistake also says Trump had has had 999 days to think about Russia and Ukraine. I feel confident in a plan A, B and C. Putin is probably also impatiently waiting for Trump. Here, here. Jason Dixon says, tim, without your leadership, I have no interest in InfoWars or TMG never was part of my interest. I make companies profitable. It's my genius. Did you. Did you guys see that? Infowars, the bid from Onion was 1.75 million. Yeah. Infowars.

[Hotep Jesus]

Oh, that was a real bid.

[Tim Pool]

So the. According to NBC News, the. There's a company that put in a bid for 3.5 million, and they're contesting it because they claim Onion only offered 1.75, but colluded with the families. That's what their. Their claim is. When I found out it was that low, I thought. I thought the bids were going to be way higher than that.

[Hotep Jesus]

That's mad low.

[Tim Pool]

That's mad love.

[Phil Labonte]

They should be way higher than that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Hotep Jesus]

You know why they're that low?

[Phil Labonte]

Because they think they can get away with it.

[Hotep Jesus]

No, because that's what it's going to be worth after they buy.

[Tim Pool]

After. No, it's gonna. It'll be worth it after Alex Jones is gone.

[Hotep Jesus]

It'll be worth $30,000 after Alex Jones is gone.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. They're estimating the hard assets are like 2.6 million. And so basically, according to the story, the Onion said, We'll pay 1.75 million. Went to the family and said, give us a waiver. So that. And then we'll sell off all the hard assets and give you the money. And they said, okay. And apparently the judge is like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. What do you mean? Like, how are you getting a waiver for cash? If there's a higher bid, there's a higher bid.

[Hotep Jesus]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it doesn't make sense.

[Ian Crossland]

Has a higher bid come out?

[Tim Pool]

According to this company, It's. It's fuac, whatever it stands for. They put in a bit of 3.5 million to buy Infowars. And then the Onion said 1.75. But we'll give you this. We'll give you some of the stuff.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Not the highest bid, but the best bid was the quote from the judge.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

Or the guy.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy.

[Hotep Jesus]

What's the name of the company? F U C K. What do you say?

[Tim Pool]

F U A C. Yeah, let's go. RWBY says YouTubers Amala Ekpinobi and Candace Owens have had PIs for Diddy show up at their homes asking about possible payouts. To be safe, everyone. I saw those videos. I saw Amala talking about it. Did you hear this?

[Hotep Jesus]

No. What happened?

[Tim Pool]

Private investigators came to her house and was asking her. They were asking her if she was getting paid to say Bad things about Diddy. And then, I don't know. I don't know. I heard that they were offering to pay a counter for the opposite. Like, they're trying to pay people to say Diddy's okay or whatever. Do you think Diddy went to a company and said, get people. Get influencers to say good things about me. Give them.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe somebody did.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Hotep Jesus]

I mean, all he's got to do is tell his people, look, do everything within your power to get me out of here. And then, you know, people start to get creative. You know, maybe it's attorney team connections, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. It might not be direct from Diddy. I don't know if he can get that creative.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. All right. Death from afar, says Tim. What would happen to the legal migrants that are actually in the state legally? And yet the Democrats literally made a bad name to the people reside before the border existed. What do you mean? Like, if someone's here legally, we got no. We got no beef. And I'm pro asylum. I'm pro immigration. I'm just pro legal asylum and immigration. Yeah. So, like, if an immigrant comes to this country and they knock on the door and say, I'd like to come here because, you know, life is better, and they say, hip filed this form, and we'll let you know. I'm like, that's. That's wonderful. You know, we like that. We do it legally to make sure that everything is running smoothly and we don't disrupt the lives of the American people and the economy can expand. But the Democrats are like, open up the border and decriminalize it. They literally raised their hand saying they would open the border and decriminalize it in 2019.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. They were chanting, you know, the. The chants, like, no border, no wall, no USA at all. Because believe that there should be countries.

[Tim Pool]

They had. When I was in San Jose and I think it was 2015 or 16, the protesters had a sign saying, make California Mexico again. Yeah, I mean, like, that's a common leftist thing. And they were beating people. And I. And I go to work, and I'm like, a bunch of Bernie supporters were beating people. And they were like, how do you know they were Bernie supporters? And I was like, because they were wearing shirts that Bernie Sanders on, like, what do you think's happening? They're running around beating people. They went to Trump rallies. I filmed a video. Some guy smacked a Trump supporter in the back of the head with a bag of rocks, and he's bleeding. And I was like, holy Crap, dude. These people are nuts. All right, let's grab some more. What have we here? Mike Smith says, I can't tell if Tim is making fun of Micah or not. Either way, it's funny. I don't know what I said about her. What did I say?

[Phil Labonte]

You're probably making one of her.

[Tim Pool]

Probably.

[Ian Crossland]

My take on those guys is, does she just. She just does whatever Joe says, basically. And that's just their relationship. She's his wife and his co host and, like, just does whatever he wants.

[Phil Labonte]

I kind of feel like Joe did whatever Mika said.

[Ian Crossland]

That'd be funny if it was that.

[Tim Pool]

She goes grocery shopping for him.

[Ian Crossland]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Because he was like, Butter's $3. And she's like, It's 7.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, that's funny.

[Tim Pool]

That was a funny story.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, we're going to Trump's house. She's like, okay, we support Trump now.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. Yep. I don't know. I think he was probably more terrified than that. He was probably like. Like a. Do you think Trump's gonna come and get us? She's like, I don't know. Let's go apologize to him now before it's too late. He's not president yet. Anyway. Mizzumori says, hey, Tim, you should call out the cast brew pods. There are still about 1200 Mr. Bocus pumpkin spice experience left. Interesting. Mr. Bocus was retired. There now exist only bags for those who had already subscribed and are members of the Caspru Coffee Club. So you can't directly buy him because we were timing as Mr. Bogus died. And we're going to create Espresso Blend in honor of Mr. Bocus. And then we have. We have a cool idea for Seamus the cat, not the cartoonist. And we're gonna create like a four part arc. And I want the. The bags to be like the. You know, at first, Seamus, he's a cat, by the way. It's like he's a knight fighting against a horde of, you know, zombies or whatever. Then the next one is him compiling a group of a ragtag band to take back the lost city from the zombies. The next one is him fortifying the city. And then the very last one is the new king, and it's Seamus.

[Ian Crossland]

You should make the first one him a prisoner because that's. You guys imprison him for a week in the garage. And he's like.

[Tim Pool]

The next one is Seamus.

[Ian Crossland]

Is him, like, in the store.

[Tim Pool]

He breaks free from prison and becomes a rogue bandit hero. Yeah, hero.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Then he rises up to free the townspeople With a ragtag bunch. And then finally he becomes the new king. Yes, Seamus the cat.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, and Casper. So can people preorder? I know it's on backlog. The graphene dream is that we should set up a pre order thing. I know it's still a couple months out, but.

[Tim Pool]

So we sold it. We sold out. It sold out too quick.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, people love that stuff, man. Low acidity.

[Hotep Jesus]

Get it in you.

[Tim Pool]

People like it. All right, Jacob Holley says, where do Dems go from here? Left shift, right shift, break apart, merge into the GOP also. Welcome back, Ian. Love you, man. And since Phil is here also, they are forcing me to ask you to run for office again.

[Phil Labonte]

I am not running for anything ever.

[Tim Pool]

I'm running from office.

[Ian Crossland]

You might just have to be appointed.

[Phil Labonte]

I will say the N word on main. That's exactly right. You are prohibited from holding office if you do that.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's grab some more super chats. Thomas, TJG says do you think the Deep state can be declared a crime organization and catch anyone on RICO charges? I hope so.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know if it's an organized enough. Personally, I don't know. Individually, people, no.

[Tim Pool]

Like their. Their communications exist. They can't get rid of it. They can try. Let's grab some more super chat. Cristiano says Alan Lichtman accused Cenk of blaspheming his name on Pierce show today. Very humble, this fella. Yes. He said, you've blasphemed me. And Jenk was like, what are you, Jesus Christ? What do you mean I blasphemed you? That's funny because it's one of the first times in a long time I've seen a video of Jenk where I'm cheering him on. Like, it was funny. That was good. All right, what do we got in here? Katrina Miles says, please do not forget The Democrats threw RFK Jr out of the primary and would not even debate him. Ben tried getting him kicked off ballots. Yup.

[Ian Crossland]

That's wild.

[Tim Pool]

I hope you enjoyed that Big Mac. The last time I had McDonald's, I think was a year ago.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, me, I was a couple years. I just ate the patty.

[Tim Pool]

I ordered it when I was cheeseburger.

[Ian Crossland]

And it was so salty. The patty was so salty.

[Tim Pool]

I know, it was nasty. So when I was. When I got off keto and I was having carbs, I did not enjoy it, but so I was like, I haven't. Hadn't had McDonald's in like six, seven years. Just don't eat It. And so, you know, Allison likes getting McDonald's sometimes for the fries. And I was like, let's get a burger. I haven't had one in a long time. And I was like, this is unenjoyable. And it made it. So here's what happened. I ate it, and I was still hungry, but there was something in my stomach, so I felt bad.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, it takes days to get rid of it. No, like, two days. I'll be like, God.

[Hotep Jesus]

Still I. Life is five and a half lifetimes.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's the other thing, too.

[Hotep Jesus]

It's like, I remember back in the day, my favorite snack was Cheez its. I remember back in the day, you could take a cheese and put it outside, and the ants would be there in 10 seconds. If you take a cheese it and put it outside right now, it'll sit there all day. The ants don't even eat it.

[Tim Pool]

Yikes.

[Hotep Jesus]

That scared me, man.

[Tim Pool]

I'll tell you what I eat now. We got eggs straight from the chicken's butt. That's what I. Yeah, it's great.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Chicken city Eggs, man.

[Hotep Jesus]

You know, chickens are gonna be a. A form of money, too, in apocalypse. Chickens are livestock.

[Ian Crossland]

Always was, man.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

As long as you can keep the chickens fed, you got eggs every day. And so I tell you this. I will not eat the bugs. I will not live in the pod, but the chicken. The chickens will eat the bugs, and the chickens will live in the pods, and I will take the ads on the chicken.

[Hotep Jesus]

I think that's the psy up, man, to make y'all not want to eat the bugs. The bugs are nutritious.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But I got no problem with eating bugs. I have a problem with being forced to eat bugs.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah, that's. That's definitely an issue.

[Tim Pool]

There's a lot of people, like, I won't eat bugs. You. You know, I'll never do it. I'm like, ian and I made a cricket bread. It was gross.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. It didn't really leave in properly. It didn't rise.

[Tim Pool]

It was dense. But it's bitter. Yeah, right? It was okay, but it's like a bitter bread. And you're like, I'm not gonna eat if I don't have to.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But look, I think any real man who wants to, like, go out in the woods and survive, and I'm not saying I'm a survivalist. I'm saying you got to recognize that if you're going to survive and you got to do what it takes, you're going to eat bugs. That being said, for the time being, I got chickens, and I'll do. The chickens will eat the bugs. We have probably 800, 000 crickets in this building. It's insane. So we just bring the chicken in. The chicken will eat them all, lay an egg. I eat the egg.

[Hotep Jesus]

Eggs taste good, but bugs are easy to cultivate.

[Tim Pool]

I know. Then you have chickens eat them and.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I guess technically, like, crustaceans, like lobster are bugs. They're just big, tasty, salty bugs.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. They're delicious too.

[Ian Crossland]

You soak your bugs in salt water, now you got a delicious brine.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. One of the shirts we wanted to make, we never did, and we should, is a chicken saying, I will. I will eat the bugs, I will live in the pot, and I will give you eggs.

[Ian Crossland]

I think that's heroic chicken.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

For the team.

[Tim Pool]

That'll probably sell real well. All right, let's grab some more super chats. What have we here? True Business says Ian is rolling ones tonight.

[Ian Crossland]

That may be true. I've rolled a lot, though.

[Tim Pool]

No, he says 12.

[Hotep Jesus]

Oh, I loved your tweet the other night, the other day where you said, you know something about rolling a six, but you said, no, I rolled a 20. I'm like, I get that.

[Ian Crossland]

I got a Chinese fortune out of a fortune cookie. And it said, oh, yeah, you never throw the dice. You'll never roll a six. And I just crossed it off and put 20. I make my own fortune.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I do think it's funny that at one point a couple years ago, Ian says on the show, you know what I say is either completely wrong or really right. So it's either like rolling a one or a 20. And then everybody agreed.

[Ian Crossland]

They're like, that explains, like, a perk and fallout. I have a higher chance of criticals, but critical failure or critical, because I'm so intense when I make points, it's.

[Tim Pool]

Either just totally wrong or just like an epiphany like, oh, wow, I got.

[Ian Crossland]

To be careful that I don't overdo it, because doing the wrong, critically wrong thing in the. In a really high important situation is very bad.

[Hotep Jesus]

So I thought you rolled to 20 tonight, but that's just me cry.

[Ian Crossland]

I probably got at least one. I felt like I got three. At least.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah, at least. Least. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Ryan Sargent says McDonald's existed long before obesity was a problem. Yeah. The current iteration of McDonald's ain't the same thing.

[Hotep Jesus]

It's not the same thing. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Back in the day, it was like bread and meat. Now, who knows what it is that.

[Hotep Jesus]

You Guys are talking about, like, this whole beef tallow thing, and I'm like, well, have you looked into the ingredients in the bread?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, dude.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Potassium bromate. That's the thing that's banned in Europe. That's that leavening agent. That's, like, in yoga mats, I think.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. You know, a lot of people say that the problem is not bread, it's the stuff in the bread. Well, we ordered organic import flour from Europe, and I still got sick from eating it, so I don't eat bread.

[Ian Crossland]

Might be more. They spray on it, too. I don't know if they spray a glyphosate to desiccate the wheat.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe Europe, maybe.

[Hotep Jesus]

Was it leavened or unleavened bread?

[Tim Pool]

The bread?

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, we just got organic flour, and then we made it ourselves.

[Hotep Jesus]

Because you're not supposed to have leave in bread.

[Tim Pool]

We didn't put anything in. We got organic imported French flour. It was, like, ultra high grade, had some number on it. And then we made it ourselves with only, like, fresh farm ingredients.

[Hotep Jesus]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Allison made a really great, like, Italian bread. It tastes amazing. And then I. Everything feels inflamed. I feel sick. I get tired, cloudy. I can't do it.

[Hotep Jesus]

No bleach in the flour?

[Tim Pool]

No. No.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to get into sourdough at some point. You guys ever do that?

[Phil Labonte]

Sourdough is delicious.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Ian used to make a bread every day, and everyone loved it.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But then I got away from the bread, man.

[Ian Crossland]

It's very fun to make. It's easy, especially with a bread maker. You can whip it up in about eight minutes, and a couple hours later, you got this delicious, fluffy, white, healthy, organic loaf that is like water, passes through you like water.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Elgar Silver Star says, I stated in the Bible, because they believe not in the truth, I shall send them a strong delusion to believe in. To believe it. To believe it or lie. They've rejected the truth, so they have to make up a fiction to accept what they think is reality. Hmm, Interesting. All right, what do we got here? Grant E. Says make the chemical warnings on our food look like the Surgeon General warnings on tobacco. Ted Thorne says Monk fruit extract has erythritol in it as a filler for some from some manufacturers. Has been linked to serious health problems. Look it up. I despise erythritol. I don't eat it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I used to.

[Tim Pool]

Sugar, alcohol. And it makes you sick. Yeah, you know, a little.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe. Tmi, but dude, yeah, all of it for the after show.

[Tim Pool]

It's so disgusting. So we. What we did was we have an ice cream maker. It's. You freeze this little, like cylinder bowl, little bowl you put in the machine. The machine spins and then there's like, plastic that scrapes along the edge. So we've got wine berries at. In the Maryland property. They're not here at Freedomistan. And this is an invasive Chinese raspberry, so you can't transport anything, but they grow all over Maryland and parts of West Virginia. They're delicious. So in the summer, we took a bunch, we threw them into. We. We took milk and cream, because you take milk, cream and sugar to make ice cream. And I was like, I'm not going to put sugar in it. Who cares? I'll put the berries in it. Poured it in, it turned into ice cream, and it was delicious and did not need me to dump sugar in it. And I'm just like, I wish I could go to the grocery store. And they had. And they have zero sugar ice cream. Just don't eat it. Sweetened with natural fruit, just like cherries or something, if they can do that.

[Hotep Jesus]

What'd you put in it?

[Tim Pool]

Wine berry.

[Hotep Jesus]

No. What else? Other ingredients?

[Tim Pool]

Milk, cream and wineberry.

[Hotep Jesus]

Oh, milk's got sugar in it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but it's not exactly.

[Hotep Jesus]

So it's like you got enough sugar right there. You don't need extra sugar.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly.

[Hotep Jesus]

Sweetener comes with the berries.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly. And so it tasted great. And I'm like, I don't need to dump extra sugar in it. It's not a lot of milk, but there's. There's lactose in it.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, it's kind of the value of fixing your diet in general. Once you get over the hump of getting sugar out of your diet, almost 80, 80, 90 other things start to get sweet. Like carrots will be sweet.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And then a raspberry, a blueberry. You're like, oh, yeah, this is what I need.

[Tim Pool]

Magnus Rex says, I saw a doctor speaking on, I think, Rogan, that Splenda, that's sucralose and such changes your gut biome and actually makes you more likely to store fat. I wonder if this is it. The reason why people get fat eating American food, not other foods, is the chemicals kill your gut biome and so then your body is not absorbing nutrients properly.

[Ian Crossland]

It might be the.

[Hotep Jesus]

Exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

The free radical damage. This could be. This is what vegetable oils do. The free radical damage on the mitochondria causes the mitochondria to stop digesting fat for energy and start digesting Sugar for energy out of your bloodstream. And so not only are you not digesting your fat properly, you start to crave more sugar because you're losing sugar. And that might be what's happening with sucralose.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to make my own protein powder. We've been working on this for a long time. It's really hard to do because most distributors who make it, it's all Splenda. It's all, it's, it's. We've hit a bunch of companies and we're like, we want to make, we want to formulate our own protein powder. And like, here you go. And we're like, okay, well, we don't want that in it. And they were like, it's Splenda or sugar. And we're like, nothing.

[Ian Crossland]

What about naked whey? You look into them at all.

[Tim Pool]

That's great. Yeah. Straight up way. And then you make your own.

[Hotep Jesus]

Yeah, right.

[Tim Pool]

You just make your own. And what do I need? Some, some. Some half and half, some coconut milk and some naked whey and it's fine. It just tastes like you're drinking milk. But I like Jocko milk. It uses Reb M, which is like a. What is it? A. It's fermented sugar and so I'm accepting of that for now. Monk fruit extract, I think is in it. And it's the best protein powder. It's so good.

[Ian Crossland]

It's. Oh, shout out to Jocko Willink for making that.

[Tim Pool]

It's crazy how good it is.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know how good it is for you. I don't know. I haven't looked in all the ingredients.

[Tim Pool]

But it's better than everything else I've ever bought. Man.

[Hotep Jesus]

It's good.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, like four different kinds of it too.

[Tim Pool]

I know, it's great. You, you. It's. It is. I, I can't even describe. It's like drinking a milkshake.

[Ian Crossland]

But because it's the. All the ingredients, I just go naked way for the most part and just. I, I should look into the Tijaco stuff because I have bags of it at the house.

[Hotep Jesus]

But now you were right. You were spot on with the, with the microbiome. A lot to do with it. You know, like we have our own nootropics company, menavorta.com and in Flow, that's what we're dealing with is the microbiome in your gut. And having good gut health is part of having. Helping you create focus in your mind and brain health. Because, you know, the gut is the Second brain. So once you have like poor gut health, everything starts going.

[Ian Crossland]

What's the company called?

[Hotep Jesus]

Men of Order. Men of Order dot com. Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we'll grab one more here. Kieran in the meat man says, Tim, you champion exercise that you are not deadlifting on the show. Hypocrite much? Yes, on the show indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

It'd be funny if it just came to you. And you were.

[Phil Labonte]

I did deadlifts today.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, what are you deadlifting now?

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, I don't go for, for big weights. I did like £200, something like that.

[Hotep Jesus]

Oh, just not like, you know, just 200 pounds.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like, button and share the show. Also, head over to timcast.com and click. Join us to become a member and support our work directly. And as a member, you can watch the uncensored show Monday through Thursday, 10pm you as members can submit questions, call in and you know, most shows, most podcasts, they do, you know, one bonus a week or a month. We do four just for you. So become a member today to support us and keep keep the lights on for us. You can follow me on Instagram and X at Timcast Hotep. Jesus. Do you want to shout anything out?

[Hotep Jesus]

Yes, please. Politics is a dirty game, but now you can play it. Electionday games.com electiondaygames.com thank you very much for having me, Tim. I just need one favor from you, Tim. I need you to stop broadcasting on Thursday so I can get some more viewers.

[Ian Crossland]

At 8pm what's your show Thursday at 8pm? What is it?

[Hotep Jesus]

8Pm? Hotep been told you, me and Uncle Hotep, man. Nice fun time.

[Ian Crossland]

Always a pleasure, my man. Always. And I'm Ian Cross and follow me. Check out my stuff I did with the Blaze last week at Normal World on normal world on YouTube. I did Sarah Gonzalez's show on Friday. That was Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. I think it was normal. Or Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Also. Shane Cashman, Inverted World last Sunday. Great episode with Shane. He's the man. Shout out and follow me at Ian Crossland. Yeah, Shane Cash, man. Dude, money maker. What's up, Philly?

[Phil Labonte]

I am on Twix. I am Phil that Remains. You can subscribe to me there. You can follow me on Instagram Il. That remains official. The band is all that remains. You can check out our new videos. We have four new videos that we released this year. One for Forever Cold, a song called Let yout Go, no Tomorrow and Divine. You can find all of our stuff on YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and Deezer. And do not forget the left lane is for crime. Do not go 55 in the left lane that is for speeding.

[Tim Pool]

All right everybody, we will see you all [e-mail] in about a minute. Thanks for hanging out.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Hotep Jesus]

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[Hotep Jesus]

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