NBA Games RIGGED, 34 Indictments, Democrat Calls It TRUMP'S REVENGE w/ George Santos

Summary

Timcast IRL Podcast Summary — October 24, 2025

Episode Theme:
Rigged NBA Games, the 34-Indictment Scandal, and Trump’s Political “Revenge” — with Dissident Former Congressman George Santos

This episode dives into a wild and trending convergence of politics, sports corruption, gambling, and American culture. Tim Pool leads his eclectic crew – Libby Emmons, Tate Brown, and special guest George Santos – in dissecting the recent NBA scandal involving rigged games and mafia-run poker, the narrative of "Trump's revenge," and broader questions about institutional corruption, tribalism in politics, the influence of gambling, and the collapse of shared American values.

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1. NBA Rigging Scandal and the 34 Indictments

[01:42] Tim Pool:
"The NBA is rigged. Is anybody surprised?... 34 indictments, professional players... not just rigging games and flubbing the ball, but also mafia-tied-in illegal poker games."

• Two major threads in the scandal:
  • NBA players, coaches, and figures indicted for participating in or facilitating rigged poker games (celebrity “face cards” used to attract marks)
  • Match-fixing: Players allegedly feeding confidential basketball info to bookies, manipulating outcomes for gambling purposes (esp. Terry Rozier, Chauncey Billups, Johnce Porter)

[08:50] Tate Brown:

• Explains the scam:
  • Chauncey Billups indicted for being the celebrity lure ("face card") at mafia-run poker games.
  • Terry Rozier accused of passing inside information despite already earning $160 million in his career: "That's what everyone's kind of looking at. These guys, they're not short on cash, so why would they need to go into business, presumably, with the mob?"

[13:13] Tim Pool:

• Viral tweets and speculation about widespread match fixing in pro sports: "They're making very sloppy mistakes... If you're going to like match fix, you need to make it a little less obvious."

[14:38] Tate Brown:

• Johnce Porter busted for tipping bookies he’d be out due to injury, leading to massive $800,000 bets: "I know NBA players aren't known for their financial wisdom... but what are we doing?"

[15:16] Tim Pool / Tate Brown:

• Past cases: Similar insider-tip scams in the NBA and MLB (e.g., “LeBron’s going to be out, go bet the other way”; Pete Rose’s betting legacy as contrast).

[16:05] George Santos:
Jokes about betting on his own political fate, and the difference in regulation/enforcement between athlete and political worlds.

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2. Media and Political Spin — Trump’s “Revenge” Narrative

[07:42] Tim Pool:

• Introduces the John "Stephen A. Smith says this is Trump’s revenge" media take, highlighting that the investigation started under Biden but is being used for partisan blame.

[21:14] Tim Pool:

• "Trump is coming. Stephen A. Smith suggests today's FBI press conference announcing widespread arrests amid their investigation into illegal gambling was politically motivated and timed to negatively impact the NBA... Democrats are always going to find some reason to make it about Trump."

[22:40] George Santos:

• Blasts Democrats for “blame Trump for everything” narrative, calling it “beyond rescue.”

MEMORABLE MOMENT [23:03] Libby Emmons:

• "He's literally the boogeyman to them."

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3. Sports as Theater and Broader Corruption

[17:13] Tim Pool:
Questions whether all major sports in America are rigged for profit, using NFL examples and debates about revenue maximization via controlled outcomes.

• Suggests that maximizing game excitement is financially beneficial ("sell more tickets, sell more hot dogs").

[19:09] Tate Brown:

• College sports seen as more genuine; pro sports rife with “shenanigans,” especially ref-driven match fixing.

[23:14] Libby Emmons:
Explains Trump's affinity for spectacle – “a bread and circuses guy” – tying sporting events into the wider discussion of American distraction and decadence.

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4. How the Mafia Rigged Poker Games

[44:30] Tim Pool / Tate Brown:

• Unpacks how mafia-run poker games were rigged using high-tech methods (marked cards visible only with special contacts or UV glasses, hidden cameras, hacked auto-shuffler machines).
• Cites pro poker player Matt Berkey: "people who clearly didn't even understand the rules of no limit hold'em are just like jamming hundreds of big blinds in with a gutty and then just drilling it" ([45:18]).

[47:11] Tim Pool:

• "We have those playing cards... they're marked. On the back of each card is a very big number that can only be seen with UV glasses or contact lenses."
• Discusses vulnerabilities in modern poker tech and rumors of cheating in prestigious “house games.”

[46:47] Libby Emmons:

• “I wouldn't love a deck like that at blackjack.”

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5. Gambling and “Degeneracy” in American Culture

[55:29] Tim Pool:

• Philosophical discussion: Is poker gambling if it’s skill-based? Comparison to other forms of chance and skill games.

[63:53] Tim Pool & George Santos:

• Warning against the dangers of gambling:
  • "Gambling acts as a regressive tax on the poorest in our societies. There's a saying that the casino always wins. And it's true."
  • "Abstain from sin when possible."

[66:24] Tim Pool:

• Criticizes rise of online casinos and sports betting: "It's become a pervasive, predatory industry people can't escape... Gambling is bad, it's a sin. I'm glad we can agree that it's degenerate."

[68:25] George Santos:

• Admits to gambling as entertainment, but not as an addiction: "I've never had this public discussion... I agree, it is still socially embarrassing to admit you gambled."

[69:13] Tim Pool:

• Criticizes proliferation of casinos: "Now we have it on our phones. Even worse than that."
• Links legal gambling’s expansion to increased addictions among vulnerable youth and the decay of American values.

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6. Political Tribalism and Double Standards

[36:51] Libby Emmons:

• Democrats protect their “tribe” at all cost, even backing candidates with offensive records; conservatives ostracize their own (like George Santos) for lesser offenses.

[37:59] George Santos:

• "We have a tribe. They have a cult."

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7. American Law, Morality, and Civilizational Crisis

[74:50] Libby Emmons, Tim Pool, Panel:

• Does law teach morality, or is mere codification insufficient if the culture doesn’t agree?
• Libby: "Morality is not something that just magically emerges within individuals and within societies. It needs to be organized and dictated to a certain extent."
• Tim: "[Civil] law is derivative of moral worldview [...] This is a Christian nation founded by people of a Christian moral tradition. ... If you didn’t have that worldview, you would not care for the laws that were written."

[88:21] Tim Pool:

• "What will your culture accept? That’s ultimately what it comes down to."

[91:27] George Santos:

• Critiques Congress for passing unenforced new laws when existing ones (especially immigration) are ignored: "...the reality is, I think culture and time also influence a lot how we interpreted these things."

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8. Prospects for Civil Conflict & Governance Breakdown

[92:26] Tim Pool:

• "Only solution is reconstruction. Sending the National Guard into these blue cities and removing people from power and having new elections, rewriting this stuff because you've got corruption."
• Argues the U.S. is on a slow drift toward civil war via institutional defiance (e.g., blue cities refusing to enforce laws they don’t like).

[97:11] Tim Pool & George Santos:

• Debates the precedent for suspending the rule of law (Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus) in times of internal conflict and whether Trump could do the same.

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9. George Santos’ Personal Story: Prison, Redemption, and Political Reflection

[05:35]-[32:27]:
Santos discusses his own story as the “biggest liar in Congress,” his 84 days in prison (41 in solitary), getting communications from Trump, regrets, and why he sought office ("stupidest thing I've ever done"):

"Fresh out of prison. 84 days in prison really humbles you. ... And if they can do it to somebody like me who's, like, quote, 'connected', imagine what they do to, like, random inmates." ([06:50])

"I caused a lot of pain, hurt and disappointment to a lot of good people... I regret it because I didn't need to do it. My ambition and my insecurities took over." ([32:37])

[28:25]
On being released thanks to Trump:

• "I was actually filling out my commissary sheet for the week. And then it came on the TV, and that's how I found out."
• [Crying] "My partner goes like, I'm on my way to pick you up. I just spoke to the President. ...I just lost. I started crying."

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10. Society’s Fragmentation – Cultural and Legal

[107:53] Tate Brown:

• "In order for the constitution to make any sense, you have to be participating in the culture in which the Constitution was written. That's where the breakdown comes."
• The panel explores how different subcultures ignore written law, from Islamic communities practicing female genital mutilation, to the political left flouting immigration law, to mafia sports gambling rings.

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11. Notable Quotes

• Tim Pool [01:42]:
  "The NBA is rigged. Is anybody surprised? ...That's how you know people have lost their minds."
• Tate Brown [08:50]:
  "He's made about $160 million over his career... so why would they need to go into business, presumably, with the mob?"
• Libby Emmons [23:03]:
  "Trump loves a bread and circus, right? I mean, he loves a big spectacle."
• George Santos [22:40]:
  "If you think this idiot's gonna rescue the Democrat Party, good. It's like, please put all your chips on this idiot who's a tool."
• Tim Pool [63:53]:
  "Gambling acts as a regressive tax on the poorest in our societies. The house always wins... you should abstain from sin when possible."
• Libby Emmons [74:50]:
  "Morality is not something that just magically emerges within individuals and within societies. It needs to be organized and dictated to a certain extent."
• Tate Brown [107:53]:
  "In order for the Constitution to make any sense, you have to be participating in the culture in which it was written. That's where the breakdown comes."

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12. Timestamps for Key Segments

• NBA Rigging and Explainer — [01:42]-[15:15]
• Media/Political Spin, “Trump’s Revenge” — [21:14]-[23:03]; [22:40]
• Sports as Corrupt Spectacle — [17:13]-[20:47]
• Details of Mafia Poker Rigging — [44:30]-[46:47]; [47:11]
• Gambling/“Sin” Discourse — [55:29]-[69:13]
• Political Tribalism & Double Standards — [36:51]-[38:02]
• Law, Morality, and Culture — [74:50]-[113:12]
• Civil War Precedent and Governance Breakdown — [92:26]-[100:41]
• George Santos’ Personal Story — [05:35]-[32:27]
• Cultural Fragmentation — [107:53]
• Notable Q&A and Closing Banter — [102:56] onward

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Summary Takeaway

This Timcast IRL episode is a fast-moving, unfiltered roundtable illuminating just how broadly the collapse of faith in American institutions is felt — from professional sports to federal law, from immigration policy to individual morality. The NBA scandal is not just about basketball, but about the ease with which criminals (and politicians) can corrupt systems designed around money, celebrity, and distraction. In the end, the crew sees American law itself as on increasingly shaky ground, held together only by fragile (and fraying) shared beliefs — and perhaps on the brink of even more serious conflict.

For listeners:
Expect animated debate, unsparing self-reflection (especially by Santos), and plenty of cultural asides about sports, politics, law, and America’s future.

Transcript

[George Santos]

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[Libby Emmons]

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[Libby Emmons]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tim Pool]

The NBA is rigged. Is anybody surprised? I don't know if the whole thing is rigged, but there's this massive scandal. 34 indictments, professional players getting wrapped up in not just rigging games and flubbing the ball, but also mafia tied in illegal poker games. And so, you know, we, we actually, before the show's getting started, I'm like, does anyone here actually know anything about sports? Fortunately, Tate does. So he's, he's sitting here and we're gonna have. But this is a crazy story. Stephen A. Smith says this is Trump's revenge. Despite the fact the investigation has been going on for several years and started during the Biden administration, Democrats are still trying to find a way to make this Trump's fault that professional coaches and NBA players were ripping people off with illegal rigged poker games and r rigging actual NBA basketball games. Okay? That's how you know people have lost their minds. So let's talk about something kind of normal for once. Like the NBA being rigged, which I think most people already assumed. So we're gonna talk about that and a lot more before we do. My friends, we got a great sponsor. It is Beam Dream. You know, I love my Beam Dream. I drink it every single night. My sleep has been absolutely fantastic. Well, we've actually got some new information. They're doing a big sale, 50% off right now. So guys, if you follow my work, you know that I don't really have an off switch. It's funny because they wrote that. It's true though. Between breaking news, non stop politics and prison content, my brain is on overdrive. 24, 7. Indeed. I do a morning show. I get up at around 7am, then we record from maybe around like 8:30 till 2. And then of course there's an hour live in there. So it's basically three or four podcasts per day. I don't know how I'm still breathing, but I started drinking Beam Dream. It's got L theanine, it's got melatonin magnesium in it. It is absolutely incredible. It tastes great. Cinnamon cocoa is my favorite. But I just ordered the pumpkin spice. Very excited. So what I love about it, it's not a gimmick. It's clean, it's science backed. It's got all that good stuff in it to help you sleep. Good, deep, consistent sleep. And if you're a guy, you gotta understand testosterone and human growth hormone that's produced by your body during deep sleep and REM sleep. So you need to get your sleep. This is no joke. If you've been running on fumes, now's your chance to fix that. Beam and has given me early access to their Black Friday sale. Oh boy. The biggest sale of the year. Beam dreams up to 50% off right now. The lowest price ever. Go to shop b a m.comtimcast use code TIM CAST and you will get up to 50% off. And no joke. I absolutely recommend this stuff. It is every night, right after the show, we wrap the uncensored portion, I go home, I make a glass, I drink it before I go to bed and I wake up feeling like a million bucks. Absolutely. We got another great sponsor. It's backyard butchers. Boy, do I love a good ribeye. My friends. Do you guys know that there's Big pharma, there's also Big Ag. 85% of American meat is controlled by just four major companies. Just because you buy America doesn't mean you're buying healthy. And buying organic only means they control what the cattle Eat not how they live. Backyard Butchers Texas steer steaks come directly from a real Texas ranch where cattle are raised, processed and shipped to from the same location, completely bypassing Big Ag. These Texas steers are 98% grass fed, 2% natural grain, finished with no growth hormones, no antibiotics, no preservatives. The quality and flavor are exceptional. Making America healthy again starts with going back to our roots and eating real meat from the hardworking ranchers who raise cattle right. Go to backyard butchers.com Tim. Use promo code Tim for up to 30% off. Two free 10 ounce ribeyes and free shipping when you subscribe. Fight back against Big Ag with your fork support. American ranchers and Texas backyard butchers.com Tim promo code Tim. But don't forget, also smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Oh, man, we got a lot more to talk about than just sports because we need to hear the story of this man, George Santos.

[George Santos]

Who? Me?

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[George Santos]

Yeah, who is Jordanos?

[Tim Pool]

I guess it's you.

[George Santos]

Can the real George Santo stand up?

[Tim Pool]

Well, you were in jail. You're not in jail anymore.

[George Santos]

Thanks. Thanks to President Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think everybody knows who you are, but do they though? Well, then introduce yourself.

[George Santos]

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[Tim Pool]

So I was like, you're ordering meat.

[George Santos]

No, it's just. It's good to be here. It really is. I'm speechless. Oh, my God. Who is a real Jordan Santos? I guess to some Americans, the biggest liar in Congress, which I think is hilarious because that's such a high bar and for me to reach that, I think that is absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

That's impressive. She get an award for it?

[George Santos]

Yeah, I should because it would be a fraud of an award because nobody really wants to take it. But hey, I'll take the award. I like shiny things on my wall. But know, look, I just, I think I embodied unfortunately the. The worst way of doing things, which is like fake it till you make it. And that's just not something I condone. But I, I did engage in it. A lad would like you would.

[Tim Pool]

You would agree with that, right? It's fascinating. You did it to the top.

[George Santos]

Yeah. Which is. You shouldn't because then I went to prison and you know, fresh out of prison. 84. 84 days in prison really humbles you.

[Tim Pool]

Like, especially solitary.

[George Santos]

41 of those in solitary confinement, which you would think in the United States of America, we would have already, you know, stopped doing that. And really, really, it's an abominable practice. And if they can do it to me, imagine what they can do to, like, Joe Schmo. Like, there's no. I'm a privileged person. Right. I know members of Congress. I. I know members of the Trump family. And. And if they can do it to somebody like me who's, like, quote, connected, imagine what they do to, like, random inmates.

[Tim Pool]

If this, if the. I. I don't know. I'm gonna call shenanigans. Anyway, Libby's here.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm Libby. And I'm here. I'm Libby Evans at the Post. Millennial. Glad to be here with everybody. And human events. Can't forget human events. Glad to be here with everybody.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. And Tate's here, too, because we don't know anything about sports.

[Tate Brown]

It's true. I'm a bread and circuses enjoyer. I would say Tate Brown here, holding it down. I am a George Santos nationalist. So these. Whatever stunt, whatever stunt Google's pulling right now, we're on them, we're on their case. We know what's going on.

[Tim Pool]

Restarting. It appeared to have worked. People are saying it's working again. So welcome to the show. Perfect. Let's. I guess we're jumping straight to the news, right? Here we go. From YouTube today. Oh, man.

[George Santos]

I.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, I love this story because it combines a ton of what I love. Cyber security, mafia, dark side politics, and poker. We got it all from YouTube today. NBA gambling scandal, live updates. Chauncey Billups, do you pronounce this Terry Rotier?

[Tate Brown]

Terry Rogier.

[Tim Pool]

Rogier. I don't even know how to say his name, bro.

[Tate Brown]

His nickname is Scary Terry, so you can just call him Scary Terry.

[Tim Pool]

I guarantee you that the amount of people who know how to say. How do you say his name?

[Tate Brown]

Roger.

[Tim Pool]

Roger. Dude.

[Tate Brown]

Even the prosecutor couldn't say it.

[Tim Pool]

But, but there's tons of people who do. But those people also are going to be like, who's Tim Burchette? You know what I mean?

[Tate Brown]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

And that we here are going to be like, well, of course we know Tim. Like, we are all in the political space. Can you summarize what happened? Because you know sports. Yeah. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Well, so there's, there's, there's two indictments, obviously. There's the poker side, the illegal poker games, and that's what Chauncey Billups was. Was indicted on. They're saying he was the Face card. That's what they called it in the indictment. So he was the celebrity presence at the poker table to draw people into these games. And then the other indictment was basically match fixing. They were saying with the sports betting that the players were feeding information to bookies or to anybody that would be wanting to place a bet, and they would use that information to their advantage. So Terry Rozier was the prominent player named here. They're calling him a superstar, which is really a bit of an overstatement. He was a backup at the Boston Celtics. Started playing really well. I think he held down the starting gig for like a year or two, and then he signed a huge contract with the Charlotte Hornets. So that's what everyone's kind of scratching their heads here is because he's made about $160 million over his career so far. He's only 31, so he's still got four or five years left in the league. And so, I mean, that's the big thing everyone's kind of looking at is, like, these guys, you know, they're not short on cash, so why would they need to go into business, presumably, with the mob? That's what's being, you know, obviously speculated here. But, yeah, so there's two. There's two prongs to this criminal enterprise that are currently being investigated by the FBI.

[Tim Pool]

There's. We have that video of Terry Rogier. Is that.

[Tate Brown]

His name is Terry Rogier?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Rogier. Oh, is this right here? No, wait, that's not it. And it's absolutely hilarious. I'm pulling it up right now, and.

[Tate Brown]

This is one game.

[Tim Pool]

Anybody who doesn't play basketball, let me start this over. Just watch.

[George Santos]

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[Tim Pool]

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[George Santos]

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[Tim Pool]

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[George Santos]

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[George Santos]

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[Tim Pool]

Rosier. Turn it up. But you don't want to play.

[George Santos]

I don't play basketball, but that's really bad.

[Tate Brown]

This is like.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but. But in your volleyball experience.

[George Santos]

Oh, yeah, no, like, yeah, that's really bad, but I can play volleyball better than they play.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so it's. It's the second one. This one right here. Yeah, this is the most obvious because he starts running the other way as soon as he throws the ball. Like, what was he doing? Well, what was he. What was he trying to fake?

[Tate Brown]

There's. There's nothing there. I mean, look, I held down the backup point guard position for. I don't want to say the team. And I never made mistakes like that. And this was, you know, varsity basketball. We're not talking a high level. This is what you see at a lifetime. Fitness at like 6pm Like a drunk. Like a drunk guy.

[George Santos]

No, no, no.

[Tate Brown]

He's going through a divorce.

[George Santos]

You know, it's not good for a lifetime. No, you know.

[Tate Brown]

You know, lifetime's a great institution. You know, lifetime's a great institution, but you're not going to get the most high quality basketball there. This guy, you know, he's going through like a divorce or something. That's the kind of throws you don't expect. That pass from the starting point guard of the Miami Heat three times in one game.

[George Santos]

I. What?

[Tate Brown]

Right, that's what I'm saying.

[George Santos]

What?

[Tim Pool]

I'm surprised this stuff isn't more common, frankly.

[Tate Brown]

Well, there's been other players that have been speculated because they just have abhorrent games out of nowhere. Like, they'll like. They're making very sloppy mistakes. Malik Beasley is this famous example that people look into and they say he was throwing matches. Terry. Roger, if you go back, there's people that were tweeting after this game specifically saying like, holy crap, dude. If you're going to like match fix, you need to make it a little less obvious.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. There are viral tweets where people are saying they need to also investigate a ton of other people who ended up getting indicted as well.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah.

[George Santos]

Well, they have that issue in soccer a lot, right? Soccer players throw games all the time.

[Libby Emmons]

Brazil, they throw themselves on the floor, on the ground.

[George Santos]

I mean, they're just like, they're great actors. The thing about the thing about soccer today, it's like you'll see like Neymar in Brazil, number one offender of like acting. You'll see like a kick go near him. He takes the advantage, throws himself on the floor. Then you'll have that slow motion zoom in every angle possible. And he's like a foot away from the kick, but he's still on the floor rolling, like, did a phantom kick. Like, dude, it's like they throw themselves, like they fake injured to get out of the game.

[Tim Pool]

And I don't understand how they let him get away with it.

[George Santos]

And he makes $400 million.

[Tate Brown]

And the thing.

[George Santos]

That's his contract.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

For how many years, though?

[George Santos]

I think it's like whenever they sign and buy these soccer players, they're traded for a lot more money than NBA players in America.

[Libby Emmons]

One year at 400 million.

[Tim Pool]

That's, that's, that's there'?

[Tate Brown]

No way. No, it's true.

[George Santos]

American leagues, are you kidding?

[Tim Pool]

One year, 400.

[George Santos]

I don't, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna put money on one year. But that's like, contracts are insane.

[Tim Pool]

That's more than the GDP of several small island nations.

[George Santos]

Very true. Well, Haiti, who.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I think I might be worth more.

[Tim Pool]

Like, yeah, me.

[George Santos]

You know, you could probably feed Haiti, you know, actually feed Haiti.

[Tate Brown]

True.

[George Santos]

You know, not like the Clinton's fed Haiti.

[Tate Brown]

No, I can throw some mud and some wheat together. You know, I can make it happen.

[George Santos]

I can make some cookies for you.

[Tate Brown]

But the most egregious, the most egregious indictment was Johnce Porter, who was actually banned from the NBA. He played for the Toronto Raptors. And they, they busted him because he, I guess, tipped off the bookies that he was going to be injured for the game. And someone put an $800,000 bet down for the game. And it's just one of those things. It's like, look, I know NBA players aren't known for, like, their financial wisdom. You know, they're not really tuning into Dave Ramsey, but like 800, like, what are we doing?

[Tim Pool]

Well, there was, wasn't it? They said one of the best players on for LA sent it, Sent a text to another person saying, hey, one of our players is injured. Go bet on the other team.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it was. Well, I think it was on the Cavs. There was a player who was saying, hey, LeBron's gonna be injured tonight.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, right? Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And then of course, LeBron is like, thanks a lot. Now I'm in. Now I'm My name's everywhere.

[George Santos]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, who knows?

[Tim Pool]

But imagine you're saying, hey, go bet on the other team because we're down. You know, LeBron.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, because Pete Rose went down because he was betting on himself. Last time I checked, every teacher told me to bet on myself.

[George Santos]

Yeah. But hey, I bet on myself. It's not a good idea. Don't do that.

[Libby Emmons]

Pete Rose never bet on himself to lose.

[Tate Brown]

Right?

[Libby Emmons]

These guys are betting on themselves to lose. And that's really unconscionable.

[Tate Brown]

I think it should be.

[Libby Emmons]

Pete Rose. Love the game.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Wait, you're not allowed to bet on yourself to win?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

No, you're not allowed to be on yourself to win at all. Weren't you saying, I rigged the game by winning it?

[George Santos]

Well, you know what?

[Tate Brown]

Right? You're right.

[Libby Emmons]

You're not supposed to be betting at all if you're a player.

[George Santos]

That's true, but, you know, I shouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

Be betting at all. Let's just stop there.

[George Santos]

I wish polymark would have had open Will Jordan get expelled market at the time, I would have bet on yes. Fuck yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. Is there any. Are there any rules against that for polymarket?

[George Santos]

I think this guy cares. Do you really think I cared at that point? I was getting fired? I did care once upon a time.

[Tate Brown]

It was.

[Libby Emmons]

Was crazy, though, because Mike Johnson told everyone to bet their conscience, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous, which I literally.

[Tim Pool]

Their conscience.

[Libby Emmons]

No, not bet.

[George Santos]

Which I really had issues with those words because I called him. I'm like, okay, I just voted my conscience in rallying, helping rally the caucus, make you speaker. And that's how you like. I talk about this a lot. I love Matt Gates. And he was so giddy about firing the speaker at the time. McCarthy, you could tell. And I looked at him that night we left. We left and went to my office and I said, you know, I'm glad you're happy you accomplished what you sought out to do, but you do know I'm getting fired next, right? So to me, I wish we would have been speaker less a little longer so I could make my one year mark. But, you know, it is what it is.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure, like every major sport is rigged. Isn't the NFL rigged? Remember, it was a couple of years ago. You guys know better than me because I'm not. I'm not a sportsball guy, but Ravens, it was the Ravens versus some other team and there are a bunch of videos going viral of like, the guys were intentionally not tackling the team's quarterback and stuff.

[George Santos]

Well, at the expense of getting canceled forever. I mean, that explains four Super Bowls for the Buffaloes, for the Bills. I mean, in a row and not winning.

[Tim Pool]

I'll just look at Tay, because I don't even know what those words mean.

[Tate Brown]

No, it's true. Like, you know, you know how the losing team, they have all their super bowl winner championship merch already printed so they can be ready to go?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Well, the bills lost, like, four Super Bowls in the 90s in a row. Right. So it's like, I think kids in Africa, I think the Bills are like a dynasty. These guys are good.

[George Santos]

Or Mexico, like, you know, campaign merch goes to Mexico.

[Tate Brown]

True.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, really?

[George Santos]

Like all these Obama T shirts. And we're coming up. Remember when Laura Loomer did it? Like, you're wearing Obama merch. I'm like, yeah, because that's where it's.

[Tate Brown]

Like, America loves female president.

[Tim Pool]

They did have shirts that Biden, please let us in, though. That was a viral thing they were doing.

[George Santos]

Well, that was just organized NGOs funding that just, you know, just to, I guess, troll us at that.

[Libby Emmons]

They also had thank you, Biden shirts.

[George Santos]

They did.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[George Santos]

Yeah, those were NGOs funding that with. With some of the USAID. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And, you know, it's almost feels like it's pro Trump. Like, let's get a bunch of people. People like photos of illegal immigrants saying, thank you, Biden.

[George Santos]

I mean, it worked.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't it really hurt his campaign.

[George Santos]

Hey, you know what?

[Libby Emmons]

2020.

[George Santos]

Like, this was 2020. Wow.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[George Santos]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I guess it worked for him. Yeah.

[George Santos]

I mean, it. It.

[Tim Pool]

Everything's fake. Can we just. Can we just all agree everything's fake and gay?

[Tate Brown]

It certainly feels. You know, there's been in America, there's been this sort of reorientation of the American sports fan towards college sports. And I think it's because they view it as like a more raw, purified version of sport. Because at the pro level, there's just so much shenanigans going. Even there's, like, been scandals with refs where, for example, in soccer, the refs are actually typically the ones getting busted for match fixing.

[George Santos]

Oh, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And even in American sports, there's been a few probes into various refs in.

[George Santos]

NBA specifically, where FIFA has a lot of issues with refs that get paid to call the worst the worst.

[Tate Brown]

Freaking FIFA wouldn't take a bribe.

[Tim Pool]

I think baseball's fixed.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Cause we were. We. We went and saw the. The Nats versus the Sox, and there were Several blatantly bad calls by the ump that everyone was confused by. And everyone's booing. And I'm just sitting there thinking, like, look, if you want to maximize the amount of games you play to sell more tickets, to sell more hot dogs, you need to control the outcome of the game. And there's a, there's tens of millions and hundreds of millions of dollars on the line for a lot of these games. Why wouldn't they just say, hey, just, just let them win this one, you know, however you can. And you can't absolutely control the outcome, but you can, you know, change the direction of your sales, as it were.

[George Santos]

I mean, umps are not the funnest people. And have you seen a Little League game? They make the worst calls.

[Tate Brown]

It's like that type of phenotype either becomes Little League ump or like hoa.

[George Santos]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Another thing.

[George Santos]

That's the male care inversion in suburban America. It's very true.

[Tate Brown]

Another thing you'll notice in the NBA specifically is the players are very well aware of the money line. So when they're coming down to the wire, typically if you're down like six or eight points, you're going to be shooting because you're like, I don't know, Maybe we hit two or three threes back to back with 10 seconds to go, like, Reggie Miller's done it before. But now if they're right at the money line, right under the money line, they will not take any shots in the last, like, 30 seconds because they don't want to tick over and ruin bets or presumably their friends, at best, to be the most. And this is like pretty wide, wide in the open.

[Tim Pool]

So let's jump to this story from Tim Cast News. Trump is coming. Stephen A. Smith suggests today's FBI press conference announcing widespread arrests amid their investigation into illegal gambling was politically motivated and timed to negatively impact the NBA. Because we all know Trump's biggest enemy and rival this whole time has been the NBA, I guess. But the Democrats are always going to find some reason, some reason to make it about Trump.

[Tate Brown]

How many times for one incident after.

[George Santos]

Another have I said, Trump is coming, he's coming. Say it on national television. Bad Bunny is performing at the super bowl.

[Tim Pool]

And all of a sudden you hear an ice is going to be there looking to engage in mass deportations, the.

[George Santos]

Super bowl disrupting things.

[Tate Brown]

Big night for the NBA when beyond.

[George Santos]

Put on a show that has now been smeared.

[Tim Pool]

Because we're talking about this story, okay?

[George Santos]

Remember, Trump has a long, long history connected to the world of Sports. Because he had those casinos.

[Tim Pool]

Where do you think folks will come.

[George Santos]

In half the time? I'm not talking about individuals. I'm talking about the culture. When people want to. Want to go to a casino, when.

[Tim Pool]

People want to gamble, when people want.

[George Santos]

To party or whatever the case may be. This was his kind of connection to that. Why am I glad you're here, Monica? Because don't be surprised that the WNBA is next on his list. Because when you've got all of these protests that have been going out.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, okay.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

20 bucks.

[Tim Pool]

This is. This is where Stephen A. Smith jumps the shark. He was viewed by many as a moderate Democrat personality. Maybe he could fix the orientation of the Democratic Party. But now he's doing exactly what everyone expects of Democrats. A bad thing happened. Trump did it. I guess the other thing.

[George Santos]

They're just beyond rescue at this point. I mean, the Democrats are beyond. If you think this idiot's gonna rescue the Democrat Party, good. It's like, please put all your chips on this idiot who's a tool. And Trump's coming. Like, I almost feel like, you better watch out. You better not shout, like, what the hell?

[Libby Emmons]

He's literally the boogeyman to them. But what they totally forget.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry, I stubbed my toe earlier, and it was Trump.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm sure it was Trump. It was Trump because it rhymes with bump. And you stubbed your tongue.

[Tim Pool]

I was watching. I wasn't paying attention to where I was going. Cause I was watching a video of Trump. Made me so angry, I stubbed my tongue.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, the thing is, though, Trump loves a bread and circus, right? I mean, he loves a big spectacle. He likes big sporting events because everyone goes and looks at them, and then they're happy. And that's what, you know, that's like a big part of. He's like. He's like a little bit Roman in that respect. He's gonna build a giant arch. He's building a ballroom. You know, he likes big, giant things.

[George Santos]

For him, he's destroying the White House, according to them.

[Libby Emmons]

But you know what's craz. I saw a tweet.

[Tim Pool]

The whole east wing's gone now.

[George Santos]

Right?

[Libby Emmons]

I didn't. Yeah, the East. The.

[Tim Pool]

That all gone.

[George Santos]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

Not the little section. That whole east wing.

[Libby Emmons]

I really hope it was something way better.

[George Santos]

I really hope he just names it the Trump Annex. I mean, I really do. Because I want it to live. Enshrined in the minds of every Democrat that will ever. Morning, Zoe.

[Tim Pool]

Got donuts.

[Libby Emmons]

Jeff Bridges. Why are you still living above our garage.

[George Santos]

Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you.

[Libby Emmons]

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[George Santos]

Wow, impressive. Let me try. T Mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network.

[Tim Pool]

Nice.

[Libby Emmons]

Jeffrey, you heard them.

[George Santos]

T Mobile is the best place to get the new iPhone 17 Pro on us with eligible traded in any condition. So what are we having for lunch?

[Libby Emmons]

Dude, my work here is done.

[Tim Pool]

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[George Santos]

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[Tim Pool]

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[George Santos]

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[Tim Pool]

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[George Santos]

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[Tim Pool]

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[George Santos]

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[Libby Emmons]

I saw a tweet and I did not look into it, but it said that Bernie Sanders and Nancy Pelosi are both older than the East Wing. That was just abolished.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

So I mean, come on, like it's really, it's not that historic. Plus every single president comes in and makes all kinds of changes. Obama made all kinds of changes. He put in like a basketball court and moved tennis courts to somewhere else. They all come in and changes.

[George Santos]

He removed the tennis court.

[Libby Emmons]

That's part of it, right? But that's part of it is like you're a steward of the White House. You make it better for the time that you're there. You know, like make it better for history. And I hope that Donald Trump does put up that giant arch in Washington D.C. and I hope that it's gold.

[George Santos]

I just, I hope that the White House extension is gold.

[Libby Emmons]

Make it all gold.

[George Santos]

Gold and pink marble.

[Tate Brown]

Trump Tower kind of like what Stephen A's talking. I mean, Trump loves, like, a spectacle because he goes big. That's why he embodies America so well, because Americans. I love. This description of Americans is that we're all just temporarily embarrassed millionaires. And he exemplifies. That's why he's relatable. Like, people relate more with Donald Trump than, like, you know, like, when DeSantis puts on Cowboy boots or whatever, it's like, no, I like that guy because he's rich and famous and those, like, famous people and is awesome. It's like, yeah, that's why we like him. And, like, for the record, the World Cup's coming to the United States. That's because of Donald Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Because he wants everything here. He wants America to be number one. And it's like, yeah, make the world come here and watch.

[George Santos]

He's an entertainer. That's why he became president, and that's why people love him. And I know at the risk of getting in trouble, and that's why he's won three presidential elections.

[Tim Pool]

George, did you have any correspondence with him while you were locked up?

[George Santos]

Oh, sure. You know, I called him on his cell. It was really, I don't know, letters.

[Tim Pool]

Because I know there are people lobbying on your behalf, like, president getting like.

[George Santos]

Yeah. I mean, like, can you imagine this call is from a federal correction facility to accept this call for us five.

[Libby Emmons]

And it's a White House talking about pardoning D.I.D.D.

[Tim Pool]

So, I mean, why would that be? Did you know he was going to commit your sentence?

[George Santos]

I did not. So it's wild. I mean, look, you're right. A lot of people did advocate. I have a lot of friends who went to bat.

[Tim Pool]

It didn't feel like that many, like Marjorie Taylor Greene. It was a lot of elected officials.

[George Santos]

I mean, of elected officials. There was a lot of them behind the scenes because it's. It's politics. So people do, you know, take precautions. But of the ones who are very public about it, I mean, you have Margaret Taylor Greene, you have Tim Burchett, you have Lauren Boebert and Paulina Luna. And then you also have people like Rick Cornell and. And Alice Johnson, and then you have Matt Gaetz, who's a former congressman. So, like, there was a lot of people in the front line, but way more and the. In the, you know, back end. But it was like, an effort. But really, my family, my. My spouse, my sister, my attorney was absolutely, like, relentless. I mean, if you all need an attorney, get my attorney. He, he, he goes to bat for you. But most importantly is like, I didn't know. I was actually filling out my commissary sheet for the week. And then it came on the tv, and that's how I found out.

[Tim Pool]

You found out on tv?

[George Santos]

Oh, yeah, on msnbc.

[Tim Pool]

Were you in solitary or were you with other people?

[George Santos]

Oh, no, no. I had just been released from solitary a couple of days before and reintegrated into the camera.

[Tim Pool]

Did everybody just like, look at you?

[George Santos]

No. They started screaming like, Bring him here. SOB's been holding out on us. Come over here. I'm like, my God, what's going on? I'm like. And I look at msnbc. Chiron said something along like, disgraced New York Republican Jorge Santos coming out of jail. Trump commuted his sentence. I'm like, like, MSNBC's clearly lost their proverbial shit.

[Libby Emmons]

Sure.

[George Santos]

Because I pick up the phone, I go to the phones, I call them, call home. I'm like, what's going on? And they're like, my partner goes like, I'm on my way to pick you up. I just spoke to the President. Like, wait, you spoke to the president? I've never spoken to the president on the phone. I was, like, angry at that at first, and I just lost. I started crying.

[Tim Pool]

I think this is a really good sign that Trump is done playing stupid games. Oh, yeah. Because he tried to be very diplomatic in his first term. The fact that he did not wait until the end of his second term, he was literally like, I don't care. Just get him out of jail. He's just like, we're going. We're doing this. You know what?

[George Santos]

Here's what I look at it. After what Biden did, I think he. He. Oh, yeah, it's.

[Tim Pool]

You know what?

[George Santos]

Quite frankly, fuck you. Like anybody who's, like, clutching pearls, I've gone every cable news network from Chris. Com. I mean, barely cable for News Nation, but I did Chris Cuomo to everyone else, and they're all going nuts. Like, you should be ashamed. I'm like, wait, I should. Ashamed for receiving clemency. I thought, the United States is all about second chances, but only for Hunter Biden, you know, second, seventh, third, I don't know, Whatever. I mean, look, I'm thankful, obviously. And to say it's humbling, it's crazy, but it was definitely a surprise. I did not know. If I knew, trust me, I would.

[Tim Pool]

Of course. Real quick, do you think you deserved seven and a half years?

[George Santos]

Seven. Seven. Years and three months. Three months or essentially a campaign finance indictment, if you look at all the elements of it, is all campaign related from 2022 for my run, my successful run for Congress, not my first one. And no, I mean, Jesse Jackson Jr. Went to prison for 30 months and he took three or four times, but he stole outright from the taxpayer.

[Tim Pool]

You, you put money, you, I put money towards.

[George Santos]

And then obviously there was misappropriation. But, but the crazy part is I was the largest benefactor of my campaign because I put $700,000 of my own money in there.

[Tim Pool]

And then, so, so just real quick, what's your backstory as to how you were able to do you have to run a business or, I mean, look.

[George Santos]

It'S out in the public. I mean, I, I've always been in the high assets market with private equity, so working with a lot of high net worth individuals and family offices. So I had a career in private equity for 10 years right before the campaign. I mean, I sold a $22 million yacht with a waterfall. One of two. A Mangosta, beautiful Italian.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not trying to sound like an asshole. I know there were like allegations of you working at like Goldman Sachs and Citibank. Did you work at these places? I didn't work.

[George Santos]

So that's, that's a bigger part. I didn't work for them, but I did do work with them. And that was just more, that was literally more of an embellishing a resume for, for the sake of making it look better. But I never worked at the institutions. That, that was definitely not true. But I have worked in the private equity space since 2014, so it's, it 11 years in, in the space. So like, the reality is I made money. That, that, that's clear. I mean, you don't just, people like to say, oh, those are probably stolen from campaign donors. I'm like, dude, you guys must really think my entire life was a grift.

[Tim Pool]

But why would you want to be in office?

[George Santos]

I, I, it was the stupidest thing I've ever done. I mean, I did it because I really thought you can change things from the inside. When I got there, I'm like, oh.

[Tim Pool]

This is a zoo.

[George Santos]

Yeah, this is theater. Like literally theater. I mean, I took the MA the three months before going to Congress. I made $800,000 and then I subjected myself to $174,000 a year.

[Tim Pool]

Do you have any remorse for your crimes?

[George Santos]

Of course I do. Are you kidding? Like, stupidest thing a human being can do is, first of all, I didn't need to do any of it. I didn't. I genuinely didn't need to.

[Tim Pool]

Zimmerman.

[George Santos]

Otherwise Zimmerman. I would have. I was gonna say something so bad anyway.

[Tim Pool]

I could have curbs for 10 o'. Clock.

[George Santos]

Yeah, I would have curb stomped Zimmerman 10 ways from Tuesdays with my freaking eyes closed. Because I was running against a senile candidate who's like 68 years old. Fourth run, I think, fourth run for Congress, if I'm not mistaken. I was 34 years old. I was running circles around him like he was frail and old and just, you know, But I regret it because I didn't need to do it. But my ambition and my insecurities took over. I was also fending off of a primary opponent or a potential primary. Everything just was like dumb and self, self inflicted. And if I could go backwards and do it again, I would do it so differently because a people like to say, oh, he's only sorry because he got caught. That's not true. I'm sorry because it was a stupid. I caused a lot of, of pain, hurt and disappointment to a lot of good people that I genuinely like that I'm probably never going to be able to square away that those relationships and, and you know, I had a potential at a really good career ahead of me and I blew it up and it was dumb. And you know, I have to live with it.

[Tim Pool]

And not to mention the district that you were representing, New York's third, it's.

[Tate Brown]

Like a flip district, you know, purple.

[Tim Pool]

District that you're read.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Long island, one of these important districts on a super slim majority that the House had.

[Tate Brown]

No.

[George Santos]

I get. I was part of giving the House a majority because they messed up all over the country. But then New York saved the majority.

[Tim Pool]

Crucial. And you know, you were the one of the supporting votes for Johnson, who I think was struggling to get the.

[Tate Brown]

Speakership at the time.

[George Santos]

I was one of the ringleaders to create the. The consensus was created. Nobody likes to talk about the facts here. The consensus for Mike Johnson, for Speaker Johnson was created by me, Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz. I don't care what anybody says. Speaker Johnson was just Congressman Johnson. We were going through Jim Jordan, Steve Scalise, Tom Emmer, and nobody would get a consensus, oh, you did this or you did that. And there was like the tribes, right, the families as we call them in the conference. I went up to Johnson right off the bat and I said, you need to jump in. He's like, oh, I can't do this. I said, dude, you're the only person in the conference everybody likes. Like, nobody has quarrels with you. And he's like, I can't do this. You know, I look up to Jim and to Steve. They're like big brothers to me. I'm like, sure, Mike, but you need to do it. So I insist that I insisted after it all went to crap with Mike Johnson, with what's his name, Jim Jordan's three votes on the floor. He texts me, I guess like two or three days later in the morning after we recess and go home. He's like, George, you know, I appreciate all the encouragement or something along those line. I appreciate all the encouragement. I've decided through my hat in the ring, do I still have your support? I literally goes like, let's effing go. I call Lauren Boebert. I think it was like 6 o' clock in the morning because I'm that guy. Like I, I have the energy. I'm up. So I'm like. She's like, what happened? Who died? I'm like, nobody died. Mike said she starts screaming on the other line and that was, was off to the races.

[Tim Pool]

Do you reset Johnson, the speaker Johnson after everything that passed?

[George Santos]

No, not at all. No. You know what I did for a while because I was, I was feeding into the hatred inside of me that was really poisonous. And I did say some things that I, I completely regret and, and take back. And I've told him that very much, personally and publicly, I've spoken about it. I think Mike Johnson did what he thought was the right thing to do, is to let people vote their conscience. And people thought in their conscience that. But they were so self important that they were perfect and I had to go and here I am.

[Tim Pool]

I can respect it, but I'm a little disappointed we're talking about this the moment ago. The lack of unity. Matt Walsh has been on the receiving end of heavy criticism for the past several weeks because he said he's willing to unite with anyone on the right to defeat the evil on the left. And he said this after Charlie was killed and everyone praised him. He said it again after these group chats got leaked and now he's getting flack. And I'm just sitting here being like, okay, I hear you moderate conservative Republicans that you don't want to unite with say Nick Fundes or whoever, but when George Santos was in Congress, all of these same people, not literally all of them, but a bunch of conservatives are like, nah, fire him. And I'm like, they have Ilhan Omar and Rashida TLAIB. And these other people who say awful things and are very, very bad and they unify no matter what.

[Libby Emmons]

No, it's true. It's no matter what. I mean, look, they're backing Jay Jones in Virginia. They're backing that guy with the Nazi tattoo in Maine.

[George Santos]

J. Oh, the accidental Nazi tattoo. That's covered up with dogs now. Like, dude, you put dogs over the Nazi tattoo. Like, you're a really bad.

[Tim Pool]

Let's just lay that out. Jay Jones said he wanted his. His rival's children to be murdered.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And if he had the option, it was. It was that famous. It's what he say. Hitler, Pol Pot, and the Republican speaker. And I had two bullets. He said that he would shoot the Republican twice.

[Libby Emmons]

Twice.

[Tim Pool]

And he lost only three points in the polls.

[Libby Emmons]

Banberger still backs him. The ACLU sent out paid for mailers that went out, you know, and the ACLU doesn't come on endorse.

[Tim Pool]

And what. And you pointed out Johnson said, vote your conscience when it came to you. And I'm like, listen, if I have to sit here and compare what you're accused of doing to the guy who called for the murder of his rival's children, I'll take the campaign finance violation guy.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, and the other thing, too, is the Democrats, like you were saying, they always unify. They don't care who they're unifying around. They will back anybody so long as they're part of their tribe. And then all of a sudden, cult. Yes.

[George Santos]

Tribe. We have a tribe. They have a cult.

[Libby Emmons]

Right? They have a cult.

[George Santos]

But they're. But they're like looking at a mirror. So they're like, oh, Colt, it's cold. It's like, I know. I know you're looking at your reflection, but the thing.

[Libby Emmons]

But it's crazy. And now we have people doing all this infighting among the conservative side, and it's like, guys, they have guns. Like, they're killing our guys. They killed Charlie, you know, children. They killed children. They're doing all of this stuff, and we're just like, yeah, but, you know, a bunch of kids said some goofy stuff on a text.

[Tim Pool]

I'll say this about the kids in the schools. I'm gonna try to steal a man as much as I can. Because when you go that direction, they'll then try and claim that white supremacists are right wing. So I say, okay, hold on. The alleged assassin and the killing of Charlie Kirk. The ideology is identical to Ocasio Cortez, who went on the House floor and smeared Charlie Kirk's good name, not what, like a week after he was murdered. The concern that I have is that the no Kings protesters on the street saying, kill ICE agents, the far left. And liberals. And liberals who are shooting up Tesla. It is the exact same ideology as the mainstream Democratic Party. Now, when they say the right has their extremists. No, no, no, hold on there. Gosh darn a minute. There is no moderate conservative with an extremist ideology. It doesn't exist. If you come to me and you say, why don't you condemn the evil white supremacists? Done. Literally everybody does. Charlie does, Trump does. But when it comes to the far left extremists, they say, sure, it was bad, but he was right ideologically.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, they also, in their studies, they say that jihad is right wing, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Anti government is right wing.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, anti government is right wing. And they don't include Tesla dealerships. They say that's economic crime.

[Tim Pool]

They say that the riots, BLM riots, wasn't left wing. Right. Oh, left is only when they're nationalist or something.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, Right. So they're very specific about what they classify as violence. Because they don't want to. Yes, exactly.

[George Santos]

It gets a cherry pick. We don't. Like, they. They pigeonholed us to their narrative, but when we try to do the same back. No, no, no, that's not. It's like. Like when the transgender dude in. What was that Ohio or. No, no, the one from 2023 that went into the Christian school Nashville. The COVID is that National Presbyterian. There you go.

[Libby Emmons]

So that was a girl, Audrey Hale, was it?

[George Santos]

It was a trans person.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes.

[George Santos]

Who was completely out of their rocker. Like, 99 of trans people who are like, oh, my God, please accept me. Me, who I couldn't accept a genitalia I was freaking born with, goes in there, kills kids and they actually mum. Not a word comes out of their mouths. That drives me. Absolutely.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, it's not just that. Not a word came out of their mouths. They were defending her. They were saying, oh, it's so hard to be trans.

[George Santos]

Yeah, so. So you're going to justify murder. It's like, look, as a gay man, it stresses me out because I am being put with these people who clearly have a mental health disorder that I do not do. I might be crazy in my own terms, but it has nothing to do with my sexual orientation. Right. These people literally fight their own body because they're so sick and we're not treating them.

[Libby Emmons]

Also, if you look at, like, statistics of you know, homosexuality, that pretty much stays static throughout the years, throughout the decades. Trans goes up and down, goes up and down.

[George Santos]

Because it's a fad.

[Libby Emmons]

Because it's a fad.

[George Santos]

It's like I remember when I was.

[Libby Emmons]

In high school, social contagion when I.

[George Santos]

Was in high school. I remember this year all the girls went lesbian. Every single girl. I'm, I'm older than you.

[Tate Brown]

Maybe the guys were just chopped that year.

[George Santos]

No, it was just really bad fad. All the girls are like dating each other. All of them are now married with kids and children. I'm like, I'm like, okay. So I guess it was a fad.

[Libby Emmons]

It was a four year lesbian thing when I was in college.

[George Santos]

It was like my point, you know, like. So it's just like I think this is it. But the problem with this, it's so demonic and dangerous. Like I literally see these videos of little boys with their mothers and like getting injections, hormone blockers. I'm like, it is demonic. Tim Burcher shared one the other day and he literally really quipped it demonic. I was like, yeah, I had goosebumps.

[Libby Emmons]

And the Charlie Kirk assassination happened so quickly after the shooting of the Catholic children in Minneapolis, in Minneapolis that people almost memory hold it. But if you take a look at the illustrations in that man's journal, you will see that his self portrait is that of Baphomet. It's. He sees himself as a demon and he was clearly possessed. I will say the last shooting victim came home from the hospital today. The 12 year old girl who was shot in the head and they had to remove part of her skull. She came home. It's a long road to recovery, but seems like a little bit of a miracle going actually.

[George Santos]

Good news.

[Libby Emmons]

It's really good news.

[George Santos]

Amen.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from the Daily Mail. Chilling messages reveal how mafia henchmen allegedly threatened and attacked victims of their rigged NBA poker games. This is the cr. It's a crazy story. It's like out of an action movie. It's just nuts. The FBI claims that uncovered a decades long mafia led poker ring. The alleged scheme involved professional athletes including Portland Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups being used as quote face cards to attract victims to the table where high tech methods were used by the mafia to rig the games, says the indictment. And I am proud to say for the loyal viewers of Tim Castle, you would not have been fleeced by this because we talked about this two years ago. Two years ago. In one instance, Zhen Hu 37 from Brooklyn sent chilling messages to an alleged victim of the ring, identified as John Doe 5 for not paying up. Yeah, you not gonna pay me? Who asked in a message on November 5, which he swiftly followed by saying another message. Message. All right, bet. Is that him right there?

[George Santos]

So I guess do mob enforcers are Asian now that's actually interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Is it Asian mafia? He watch what's good now you've been running your mouth unchecked. He warned in the days that followed the diamond claims, who is said to have made good on his threat when he allegedly assaulted Doe 5. Quote, I punched somebody in the face the other day. Ish. Unraveling quick, he told the unnamed recipient. Now we've got this. This video right here from Tim Cast News. This is solve for why this is. I believe this is Matt, Matt Berkey on his podcast talking about. He's a pro poker player talking about how these games were running and what they found. Listen to this. There are a lot of, A lot of stories about it. There's. There's one that cropped up.

[Tate Brown]

This must have been like five years ago, 20, 19ish, I think four years.

[George Santos]

Ago, where there was this game.

[Tate Brown]

It started in LA and then it.

[George Santos]

Came to Vegas for a few days.

[Tate Brown]

And it was all built around Chauncey Billups. And I heard her, I had heard about the game and the person who.

[Tim Pool]

Told me about it was like, look.

[Tate Brown]

I know the game runners. I'm telling you 100% this game is on the up and up. And I was like, well, I know.

[Tim Pool]

A lot of the people that are involved and I'm telling you 100% that.

[George Santos]

It is not on the up and up.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And you know, we kind of went back and forth and I agreed that.

[Tate Brown]

Like I just wasn't gonna go play.

[Tim Pool]

It, but I had some friends who.

[Tate Brown]

Went and played it both in LA and in Vegas. And. And it obviously like was for sure.

[Tim Pool]

Confirmed to be cheated.

[Tate Brown]

Like, people who clearly didn't even understand the rules of no Limit hold' Em are just like jamming hundreds of big blinds in with like a gutty and.

[Tim Pool]

Then just drilling it.

[George Santos]

Only the pros are losing.

[Tim Pool]

Like, how is it figured out? Like you just. So that's the gist of it. Where were getting this story, they'd invite people in and I'll translate a little bit what he said when he said hundreds of big blinds. Just, he's saying lots of money and a gutty is a very unlikely probability to win. He was saying people who didn't know what they were doing were playing ridiculous bets and they were defeating all the pros. The New York Times says that what they would do. This is, this is wild. What is it? High tech, sophisticated technology, like from the movie Oceans 13. The machine that shuffled the cards was not just randomly mixing them up. It had technology hidden inside that could read the cards in the deck, predict which player had the best hand, and relay that information to somebody off site. That person would then use a cell phone to communicate the intel to someone at the table who would steer the other cheating players with secret signals, like tapping certain chips or body parts. In some of the rigged games, the poker chip trays had hidden cameras that could read the cards on the table. That one doesn't seem to make sense to me, but I, I, we'd speculate, I guess. The cards also sometimes had markings that were visible only to people wearing specially designed contact lenses or sunglasses. I will stress, we have those playing cards.

[Libby Emmons]

Really?

[George Santos]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They're marked with. On the back of each card is a very big number that can only be seen if you're wearing UV glasses or contact lenses. We have them as a, as a gag because we are filming a comedy bit or something, but legit. The sunglasses are purple. You put them on, everything looks purple. And the back of every playing card looks just like this. You'll see a big purple number.

[Libby Emmons]

So, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So you'll know exactly what, what they have.

[George Santos]

I wouldn't love a deck like that at blackjack.

[Libby Emmons]

People be tipped off, though, if people are wearing the glasses, not if they're the contact.

[Tim Pool]

But they're purple. Yeah, they're purple.

[Libby Emmons]

How do you not tell?

[Tim Pool]

Because people don't know to look for these things.

[George Santos]

And a lot of poker players wear sunglasses when they're playing. It's very common.

[Libby Emmons]

You wear the sunglasses.

[George Santos]

Yeah. Purple ones. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Today on the culture, we had Doug Polk, obviously legendary poker player, and he said, he's like, in my entire career, I've never played a house game because he's like, there's just too many, too many, like, spots to look out for.

[Tim Pool]

I got to challenge him, though, because I watched the interview you did with Doug Polk. Shout out to Doug Polk. He's, he's probably one of the most famous, if not the most famous players right now because he's got, he's got a big YouTube presence and. But he said if you're playing a game, if you're playing a home game, which is like a private game, which is very, very common, and you see a shuffle machine.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You should be worried it's incorrect if you see a Deckmate 2 shuffle machine because those have cameras inside of them. This is a security feature actually to, so you can tell if someone's adding cards or changing the structure of the deck, it'll warn you and it'll spit the deck back out. But hackers figured out two years ago how to plug something into the USB or ethernet port and that camera will. It tracks the position of every card and then it sends the. Once the deck is shuffled, it sends it out to a random person to, it can send it out to any person they want through Bluetooth. And then I've, we talked about this a couple years ago when it happened on Tim Cast irl Researchers in Vegas at defcon, the hacker convention said they figured this out and a bunch of commenters and people were saying, but they still cut the deck. That doesn't change the order of the cards. It changes the order of two cards. So so long as any. So anybody who has access to the, to the deck information from the hacked machine, when they see the first visible cards that come out on the board, it's called the flop. They know what card everyone has. And if you're in hand, meaning like you've got cards, you're playing the game and you're wearing headphones, you can look down at your cards, you can easily relay that information in a million different ways. And then your person who's sitting a table over can tell you if you're going to win or not. Here's what, what gets crazy about this is they didn't need to do it. This is what I don't understand about the story. It sounds like, I'll put it like this. I bet if you went to, you know, Matt Berkey or Doug Polk and said you want to rip off a bunch of morons at a high stakes game with Chauncey Billups and other pro athletes, how would you do it? They'd be like, we, we'd invite fish to come play poker. Like we're going to crush them. There's nothing they can do. It sounds like the mob was like, let's, let's, let's cheat them because they didn't know how to play poker. I feel like you go to anybody know how to play poker and they're going to be like, oh, we'll run a game at the table. You get two players, plan a team and you basically just, you can play. I'll try to keep the example really simple, but two players at one table can do a handful of things from very, very technically above board to super illicit. There was a cheating ring at MGM National Harbor. This is what I was told by the, the people who work there. It was three guys, they play at one table and they had a way to tap information about the cards they had to each other. So a guy looks down at his hand and he sees a hand that's very bad. Let's say Ace 7 off suit. Like, yeah, you got an ace that's pretty good, but you're not suited. You can't do any of the seven and you're facing a race. You don't want to play it. However, he wants to let his buddy know he's folding an ace so he would tap a chance. There's a lot easier ways to cheat than using high tech RFID scanner tables and hidden cameras and all sorts of nonsense. And additionally, the crazy thing is you don't need to cheat you in like, it's very common in Vegas. They'll invite Chinese millionaires and billionaires to play these games where they know they're going to win. And the Chinese millionaires and billionaires are going to lose. But these Chinese, like these guys from Macau, they're like, I literally don't care If I lose $5 million.

[George Santos]

Well, Macau is.

[Libby Emmons]

Why don't they care? How did they get so they just.

[George Santos]

Have so much money? I mean, Macau is just nuts. I played blackjack in Macau on a trip to Asia, a business trip. And it's scary. It's like, it's very intimidating. I only play blackjack. For instance, in morning, Zoe got donuts.

[Libby Emmons]

Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage?

[George Santos]

Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you. Teach me, Saldana.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, no, I'm not really prepared. I couldn't possibly at t mobile get the new iPhone 17 Pro on them. It's designed to be the most powerful iPhone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system.

[George Santos]

Wow, impressive. Let me try. T mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network. Nice.

[Libby Emmons]

Jeffrey, you heard them.

[George Santos]

T mobile is the best place to get the new iPhone 17 Pro on us with eligible traded in any condition. So what are we having for launch?

[Libby Emmons]

Dude, my work here is done.

[Tim Pool]

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[George Santos]

High limit rooms because it's hand shuffled fault. I will not play. You're talking about machines. I just don't feel comfortable because the machines can line up the cards. Like you just said, I just don't feel comfortable playing.

[Tim Pool]

Only there's, there are specific machines that can. I don't, I don't know if the Deckmate one can.

[George Santos]

I. I just, I'm not interested in a machine shuffle at all. I will not play.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, bro, don't play. Don't play hand shuffle.

[George Santos]

I only play hand shuffle and it works.

[Tim Pool]

That's the easiest to rig, bro. Even I can card track so well for me. I mean, if, if, if you're, if you're at a casino, you got nothing to worry about, hand shuffle or otherwise. Yeah, but if you're playing anything private.

[George Santos]

Oh, yeah, no, that's, that's just anything private. Not my cup of tea.

[Tim Pool]

This is what I was saying about what Doug, I, I would suggest if you're playing private, you want to see a Deckmate one. It just literally says deck mate on it because those, as far as we know, can't really be manipulated. There's no internal camera to track which card's going where. Deckmate 2 is a. Excuse me, as a camera. And bro, card tracking, like when you watch Penn and Tellers fool me or whatever and you've got people pulling card tricks. It's not magic. They're not doing illusions, they're tracking cards.

[George Santos]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's literally. There's 52 cards. It's extremely easy to memorize where one card is going to end up when you cut the deck perfectly in the middle and then count to where it was. And there's a guy that I follow on Instagram. He's one of the best, if not the best, in the world. I think you pronounce the name Jason Ladany. I recommend you guys check out his videos. This Guy is a MasterCard tracker and people think it's an illusion, a sleight of hand or a magic trick. I'm not going to try and speak for him because I know exactly how he does all of the tricks, some of it is. But I'm fairly certain this guy literally just knows the position of every card he's doing. He's been doing it for decades. You, you hire this guy to deal for you, not, not him, because he's a Performer. But there are people who can do this. You sit down at one of these games, I'm like, they don't need machines to do this. They could have literally got a magician to deal out hands. They don't need a machine and you can never trace it. You can't prove somebody was a magician.

[Libby Emmons]

So why do you think they, they did all this?

[Tim Pool]

Because the Mafia didn't understand poker, right?

[Libby Emmons]

So, like, it's wild that the mafia is still there, you know, I'm actually.

[George Santos]

Shocked to see, like, Gambino.

[Tate Brown]

Classics.

[Libby Emmons]

These are old names.

[Tim Pool]

Who did we have on the show? Francese. Is that his name? Him probably pronouncing his name wrong.

[Libby Emmons]

Sounds like a decent pronunciation.

[Tim Pool]

But he was saying, he was saying, mom never went anywhere. They're just lying low. They don't. They don't want to get. They don't want. They want to do business.

[Libby Emmons]

It was a mistake when they were all high profile. John Gotti, a high profile. All that stuff.

[George Santos]

I mean, and the Persicos and all of them.

[Tim Pool]

Sure.

[George Santos]

But it's crazy.

[Libby Emmons]

Like, well, Godfather made it all so.

[George Santos]

Cool, you know, and too much exposure. But reading that and seeing your names was nuts to me.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me, let me, let me throw this in there. There's actually two regular chats that I think are really, really good. One is about gambling, one's about J.B. pritzker, which I definitely want to talk about in this context. But someone said, Tim, explain how playing poker for money isn't gambling. Depends on your definition of gambling. Is a stock market gambling? We hear that all the time. But the issue is this. If you enter a fishing tournament, are you gambling? Technically, in some instances, according to the irs, it is gambling. But you might be saying, like, whoa, hold on. What do you mean?

[George Santos]

It.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean?

[George Santos]

Mean?

[Tim Pool]

I'm good at fishing. I paid 100 bucks to enter the tournament. All I gotta do now is catch a bigger and more fish than the other guy and I win. And then the IRS says, can you control how many fish are in the water? No. Can you control the size of the fish you catch? No. Can you control the. How much money will be put in the pot that will be paid out for the tournament?

[George Santos]

No.

[Tim Pool]

So you actually can't control all these circumstances. That's actually legally gambling. In a lot of circumstances, gambling winnings, whether it be blackjack or tournaments, falls into the same category, which is. I think it's called W2G or something like this. So the question around poker has longly been debated because poker is Considered social poker. Like Texas hold', EM, PLO, high, low, pineapple, etc. Etc. Etc. They're considered to be skill games. I'll put it this way. If you want to play a game of war with somebody, everyone gets one card, and whoever's the high card wins. Okay? That's gambling. Yep. If you want to play blackjack, you don't know what you're gonna get. Bet you're gambling, you want to play. You want to play a game of PLO against me? I guarantee you, most people listening are like, I don't know what PLO is. How can you win a game you don't know how to play against another person? It's a. It's a completely a skill game. Then the question is, okay, it's called Pot Limit Omaha. You want to play a game of Pot Limit Omaha against me? Heads up. What's the best hand? What cards are you looking for that you're going to wager money on, you don't actually know? Okay, It's a skill game. And so professionals in Texas hold', Em, which is substantially more popular, they know almost all of the math for the cards that you get and the position you're in and the likelihood you're going to win. And that's the game they're playing. Several studies have been done that found around 80% of all winning hands are not the game winning hand. It was the play of the player. That being said, because I definitely want to answer that. Someone brought up JB Pritzker. So I definitely want to talk about JB Pritzker.

[Libby Emmons]

You guys heard, was this 1.4 million on blackjack?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Not on blackjack. He never said. He didn't say. No, he didn't. He said cards.

[Libby Emmons]

Just cards.

[Tim Pool]

He's had cards because he's clever.

[Libby Emmons]

But it was one trip, right?

[Tim Pool]

One trip and he won 1.4 million. Okay, so let's talk about how J.B. pritzker, governor of Illinois, somehow made 14% of his yearly income in one weekend in Vegas. I'm sorry, man. I am a card player, okay? I play blackjack.

[George Santos]

Check.

[Tim Pool]

I play. I don't play three card poker. It's a terrible game with miserable odds. I like Mississippi Cajun for those that don't know. I like Texas hold them. I like playing some plo. Sometimes I play cards. And I'm going to tell you right now, I call shenanigans on this. Pritzker making $1.4 million when his income was reported at $10 million. Okay?

[Libby Emmons]

The time said it was blackjack.

[Tim Pool]

So re. Let's look. Look at his actual video.

[Libby Emmons]

Actually say it.

[Tim Pool]

I'm pretty sure his quote was, I went. I went to Vegas and got lucky on cards.

[George Santos]

I've gotten lucky on cards. Not 1.4 million. And I played pretty aggressively in the past.

[Tim Pool]

So we can say a few things.

[George Santos]

I gotta take JB to play blackjacker and a whole other one.

[Tim Pool]

So my understanding is homie's a billionaire, right?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, he's a rich man.

[Tim Pool]

It's entirely possible. It's entirely possible that he went to Vegas, he's worth a ridiculous amount of money, and he said, I'm gonna take out $10 million to play with. Entirely possible. Right. You see reported winnings of 1.4 million.

[George Santos]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

Maybe he lost $3 million 1 1.4 back, and he doesn't want to tell people. I gotta be honest. If you're running for office, this is. There's a lot of members of Congress who play poker. And whenever I ask him if, like, would you. Would you want to play a game? Maybe go on stream like, no. No, I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that. Because it makes you look bad for reelection. Oh.

[George Santos]

The number one cardinal rule of office is do not show people your means and the. Your ability to go play a game and lose tens of thousands of dollars when people can't even equate sometimes the summation of $100,000 to make their bills.

[Tim Pool]

You're asking and you're saying, I need you to donate to me and I.

[George Santos]

Need your vote, and can you send me five bucks? So it's not a good look.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, the asking for money when you can afford to lose thousands.

[George Santos]

You know, I got that thrown at me a lot when I was running because I did give my campaign $700,000. And a lot of people, like, you know, the grassroot people, they'd be like. Like, well, if you gave yourself that much money, why do you need my $5? It's. It's a very. You know, it's a tight rope. You're like, because it's not enough and I don't have any more. Or, well, if you gave 700, that means you can put more. Like, there's this dichotomy to it. So the last thing you want, and you're right on the money, the last thing J.B. pritzker wants is to go and say, well, this wasn't actually a winning. I actually lost $1.6 million.

[Tim Pool]

So. So actually, you can look at it this way, too if he. Here's what I think. The, the, the, the most ideal situation for J.B. pritzker would, would be to say those are recorded winnings. My recorded losses were also around 1.4 million. I actually only ended up with an extra hundred dollars. So what happens in any kind of gaming is if I bet $100 on blackjack and then I win $100, I now have two, then I make another bet and lose. My winnings are 100, my losings are 100, and I've made $0. The ideal circumstance for Pritzker would be to come out and say it's actually a break even game. Winnings are reported, but losses were also reported. The only thing is, that wasn't what it was. He came out on top. He doesn't want to come out and say, I pulled $10 million out of the bank, screwed around, willing to risk $10 million, and then ended up just coming out with another million bucks.

[George Santos]

While Chicago burns. Burns.

[Tim Pool]

While Chicago burns.

[Libby Emmons]

You were just saying, you know, most people cannot fathom $10 million.

[Tim Pool]

But I want to, I want to say something else because I'm pretty sure he wasn't playing blackjack, but I could be wrong. Do you want to try and look up what he actually said in the interview? The full quote?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, because I'm just seeing where the time said blackjack, but they don't have.

[Tim Pool]

It in quotes because he said he's a card player and that's why he does poker games. So when someone says, I got lucky in cards, I think poker, not blackjack. Although some people were saying blackjack. Maybe that's. I, because I, I. Okay, I gotta, we gotta pull up his quote. Let me, let me get this. What was.

[Libby Emmons]

See, anybody who played, who's played cards in a casino knows that you often play for too long and lose whatever it is that you won. I was fortunate enough to, to have to leave before that happened.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, okay, wait, hold on, hold on, hold.

[George Santos]

Man of the people.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. Quote. He said, I went on vacation with my wife, with some friends. I was incredibly lucky. You have to be. To end up ahead, frankly, going to a casino anywhere. It was in Las Vegas. And I like to play cards. I've made this point a million and one times. So for all the people out there who are like, Tim, we don't care about poker, you're now all of a sudden going, hey, wait a minute. Hold on there a minute. Wasn't Tim talking about this, like six months ago? Somebody wants to bribe a politician, right? So the lobbyist Goes to a poker game at a casino with a no max, means there's no maximum buy in. And he says, I want to. I want to play $100,000. The recipient say they're running a super pac or a member of Congress or something like that. Says, I too will play a high stakes game with tens of thousands of dollars. Bribe er, says, I'm going to bet $15,000 on these two really good cards. Recipient then says, oh, yeah, I'm all in. The guy with the bribe now has a choice. He can match the amount of money this guy raised or fold or fold. And so he's trying to bribe him. So he goes, rats, I was bluffing. You win. Throws his cards into the muck. Nobody can see what he had. And the dealer will shuffle the $15,000 over to the person receiving the bribe.

[Libby Emmons]

Bribe.

[Tim Pool]

And then when the person who got the bribe is asked, where'd you get it? Says, got lucky playing cards in Vegas one weekend.

[George Santos]

Thank you for teaching people how to take bribes now.

[Libby Emmons]

Great.

[Tim Pool]

Now wins millions of dollars in a weekend. So Pritzker may just be a billionaire who pulled out 20 million bucks.

[George Santos]

Has an infinite amount of money, like, compared to most people. The struggle here for me is I've played blackjack pretty aggressively in my life. I mean, to a detriment even of. And I agree with him. If you don't know when to stop, you will give everything back. You're gonna have the luckiest night ever. You will give every penny back. It's happened. I mean, I've been. I've been up hundreds of thousands of dollars only to turn around and leave at a loss. And again, starting with like 10 grand and just getting really lucky, playing for hours. I've sat. The longest I've sat at a Blackjack table was 16 hours, which is psychotic.

[Tim Pool]

Gambling is degenerate. It is a sin.

[George Santos]

Oh, God.

[Tim Pool]

All of these stories should exemplify why. Wait, please. Is should exemplify why you shouldn't gamble. Gambling in these casinos and sports betting, it acts as a regressive tax on the poorest in our societies. There's a saying that the casino always wins. And it's true. Because the house always wins. Yeah, the house always wins. And it's because they have an edge over you and you should abstain from sin when possible. I agree. Now, define gambling. So there's a spectrum to it, right? If you're gambling with, like, say, fishing is your example, or like Pokemon cards, and buying Pokemon cards is gambling. It's actually easily definable. I Think if you're not asking to play trick questions. Gambling is when you enter in a game of chance for which you can't control the outcome. Yeah.

[George Santos]

So if you're betting, do you ever have fun, though? That's the question. Like, I don't think you have a lot of fun. You got to have fun.

[Tim Pool]

I think poor people struggle and then they go to casinos because they think it's easy, but that's what they end up more often than not. I understand, but incorrect in what part? The. The majority of people are going to casinos aren't thinking they're going to hit it rich. Some people do, and they've got an addiction. Most people will sit down, have no idea what's going on. Play, chuckle, and then leave.

[Tate Brown]

Leave.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Okay. I think it's a regressive tax on the poorest people.

[George Santos]

I'm going to push back.

[Tim Pool]

That's regressive. I think. I think it's bad we have this many casinos. I think we need substantially less. We were better off when it was just Vegas and Atlantic City. Completely agree. I mean, now we have it on our phones. Even worse than that. That's just on anything at any time. Worst. That's the absolute.

[George Santos]

Do not gamble on your phones.

[Tim Pool]

Gambling is bad. It's a sin. I'm glad we could agree that it's degenerate. Mary, do you have any take on that?

[Libby Emmons]

Well, I mean, like, it is a growing problem, especially with. With even teenagers that are gambling on.

[Tim Pool]

Their smartphones and they're gambling in Fortnite.

[Libby Emmons]

They've noted that obviously tourism in Vegas is way down because nobody needs to go to Vegas or any.

[George Santos]

I like. I go to Vegas once a year.

[Libby Emmons]

In order to gamble. They just do it in their bedrooms. And I. I don't think it should.

[Tim Pool]

Be legal to me. Hold on, hold on. There's only a handful of states that have actually legalized, like, online casinos.

[George Santos]

Pennsylvania.

[Tim Pool]

Or at least it's like five states. Sports betting. Sports betting. Still gambling. And. No, no, I agree. I'm saying online casinos. We should not allow these online casinos. Not to mention that we've not decriminalized. We've legalized sports betting. And what does that mean? It means that there's the power of capitalism behind it. And I don't mean to sound like a socialist. No, but. Santos, let me finish. The issue here is that we could advertise to impressionable young kids who are watching ESPN and just like sports, but then we're, you know, we're telling them on ESPN and SportsCenter that, oh, the odds, like, I don't care about the sports. Odd for my sports. Sports has become tainted so much by this BS Gambling. You are correct. It's.

[George Santos]

That is true.

[Tim Pool]

I give you that you should abstain from this sin, Mr. Santos.

[George Santos]

3%. 3% of government's collective taxes come from gambling. And that's. That's a big deal. Right? The reason we legalize gambling in this country is to tax it. Or else you were just going to let, I guess, the Gambino crime family keep all the proceeds.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I'm.

[George Santos]

I'm being very.

[Tim Pool]

That's the difference between promoting. Okay.

[George Santos]

I go back to like prohibition era and go back, we banned alcohol and then the entire underground movement of alcohol took all the tax revenue.

[Libby Emmons]

Drinking actually did go down significantly.

[Tim Pool]

Sure.

[George Santos]

But so did. And crime went up and smuggling booze went up and speakeasies were going all over the place, not paying taxes.

[Libby Emmons]

Illegal drinking went up during the prohibition because drinking became illegal. But then drinking overall did become less common.

[Tim Pool]

Violent crime in general increased with the trade. So, look, I'm fairly libertarian. My attitude is society should.

[Tate Brown]

Should.

[Tim Pool]

It should be socially unacceptable to a great degree.

[George Santos]

Where I would disagree is you wouldn't you say that gambling is. Oh, no, no. I mean, I'm embarrassed. I'm like, I sit here, I. I don't think I've ever publicly said on a. On anywhere that I've. That I like gambling. I don't have a gambling issue. I mean, I don't gamble every day. I don't have an issue with gambling.

[Tim Pool]

It's okay. You've done worse. No.

[Libby Emmons]

Do you think that you used to have an issue, what you would call.

[George Santos]

An issue with gambling? I never had a. I'm very sober when it comes to gambling. Like. Like, I have a limit. I go. If I go to a casino, let's say I pull out $1,000. I'm like, it's make or break. You're not going to see me run to the ATM and like, rape my account of every penny I have, like some people do. So I do it for the entertainment. It's very entertaining. But it's funny because I don't think until this very moment I've ever had this public discussion. And, And I agree, it is still very socially embarrassing to admit you gambled him.

[Libby Emmons]

Not amongst teenagers who are sports betting. They talk about it openly. It's a hobby for them.

[George Santos]

I'm not a teenager. Right.

[Tim Pool]

They're. There are prominent twitch streamers and influencers who have started gamble streaming where they play these ridiculous games online and they get millions of views from. From gambling. Money isn't like.

[George Santos]

Isn't that like, influencer. What's his name? Steve something? Yeah, Steve will do it. Didn't he get, like, banned from. For streaming? Like, and I guess it's not socially acceptable if we're banning people.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, so a lot. A lot is. Is. Is too moralistic.

[Tate Brown]

Sick.

[Tim Pool]

Your point? Here's my argument. Gambling is bad. Most people, I see, the overwhelming majority, will sit down, have a free drink, play 100 bucks or whatever, and go, that's enough for me. That was fun. You're talking about people who have addictions. If the problem is people drink too much, smoke too much, eat too much cake, too much of everything is bad. The question is, when do we, society, decide to start banning? You can't buy more cake because you're morbidly obese. You know what I mean?

[George Santos]

Well, Bloomberg, try that with soda.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. So the issue is because some people have gambling problems, no one else can play a game of blackjack. That seems silly. So the problem is our culture, our society, and the fact that we are becoming increasingly degenerate. Which is why I said we should not have casinos being opened everywhere. We should allow for, say, Vegas or Atlantic City and maybe some reservation. Casinos are fine, but the fact that Maryland now has. I shouldn't say just Maryland, but within two hours, driving distance of us right now is like 12 casinos. I think that is wrong. I think this is part of a bigger thing, though. Young men are struggling. They're struggling with a lot of things. They're struggling with alcohol. They're struggling with porn addiction. And now what do we do to add to the struggles of young men? We're adding legalizing sports betting and sports gambling. I have so many young male friends who are struggling with sports gambling. Thousands, tens of thousands in debt. It's extremely common. And what do we have? We have these pervasive ads on things that used to be, you know, used to just hang out with the boys, drink a couple of beers, watch a couple of football games, but now they're throwing this gambling stuff in your face. Moreover, you're not allowed to be an advantage player on these. If you come out a winning player, they will ban you from the app. If you think people weren't gambling on sports until now, I gotta bridge this. No, Tim. But I'll tell you, the market exploded. I think the market exploded. I think you guys would be naive to think that the market has and exploded with legalization. With how easy of how ease of access you have to this. I think this, I think you can't compare the black market sports betting to what people have access to nowadays. It just doesn't compare. I think we could look up what the numbers are. I think this is like a hundred billion dollar. This is a mathematical argument in government that I don't agree with because it. And while obviously guns and gambling are very different things, the argument that because we have a broken culture of mentally ill people who murder does not mean I shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. And because there is a society that is encouraging people to be degenerates doesn't mean you should be allowed to place a bet on a sports team. If everyone in this country was of sound moral and principle mind and said look, I make like a $25 bet once a month for fun with my buddies just because we want to add a little excitement. There's nothing wrong with that. What you're describing as the problem is a culture that has become excessively degenerate. I'm not for banning something because some people have problems. Sure. Well, I guess the state with that we went from was it already being banned to it being unbanned. I preferred the way it was before. It's not. It was always allowed.

[George Santos]

It was always allowed.

[Tim Pool]

It's just they expand. No, no, they created digital apps for you.

[George Santos]

They expanded the scope.

[Tim Pool]

Sports betting has been illegal. Like oh, you're talking about sports betting in particular. And there's also a lot of limits on these casinos. But again, the ease of access for sports betting in particular, they completely changed the laws around this.

[George Santos]

Are you guys to punish. Are you going to punish the great majority because a few people have a problem? It's like, are you going to punish people from drinking soda? Because some people.

[Tim Pool]

Am I punishing people by not letting them have unlimited access to bed? No, it is unlimited.

[Libby Emmons]

I mean it's.

[Tim Pool]

I think you're being argument.

[George Santos]

That's a very socialist take. Like we control what you get to do.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Bloomberg said we're going to tax the poor because they don't know what's good for them and they're not smart enough. So you can't buy a large sodas anymore. And I'm like, oh, hold on, on sometimes, rarely. I'm very thirsty. I want to have one big meal and I want a liter of cola. And now because that's a lot of cola. It certainly is. And because there's just massively morbid obese people, I'm not allowed to buy A liter of cola.

[George Santos]

That's nuts. Socialist.

[Tim Pool]

The problem. The problem is a degenerate society, not what our accents are. Okay, but we could take this argument to the nth degree. Do you believe that about heroin and fentanyl? I can make these same arguments about heroin and fentanyl. Right.

[George Santos]

Gambling won't kill you.

[Tim Pool]

Stop saying. You're asking me. Just to be clear. Yes. If I believe that we should have legal access to hard drugs. Yes. So there's a great difference between a hard drug which literally kills you in small doses, like fentanyl will kill you. Don't trust people to make their own decisions. They're being retarded. Fentanyl, a single dose of a person's ever had before can die instantly from. People can responsibly take fentanyl in their own homes. They just need to responsibly dose themselves. That's their issue. That was a New York City subway.

[George Santos]

Ad, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

And if they can't. If they can't responsibly during those, it should be illegal. Maybe you should stop getting ahead of yourself because I haven't finished my point. You slow down. You're so arrogant. Thank you. I'm actually largely for the legalization of drugs. Okay. Yeah. I think the issue is, as I've said with abortion, it should not be illegal. It should be unthinkable. If you have. If everybody in this country had the same moral structure, moral worldview of Charlie Kirk, we wouldn't make drugs illegal. Nobody will be buying or doing them. It's like simply, we're not in that. This is the problem I have with this argument is what you're telling me is people are so stupid, we have to make sure they can't get access to things that can hurt them.

[George Santos]

And that is socialism.

[Tim Pool]

I'm talking about gambling, online sports betting.

[George Santos]

But it's a choice that people can.

[Tim Pool]

Make, and they should be able to have the choice to get heroin and fentanyl and prostitutes, and you should be able to kill yourself.

[Libby Emmons]

I think hard drugs give credit to the idea also that the law teaches morality. Oftentimes it doesn't always have to reflect the cultural sentiment around a certain action.

[Tim Pool]

I.

[Libby Emmons]

Is a moral teacher.

[Tim Pool]

It has to a certain degree, but.

[Libby Emmons]

It has to be maced.

[Tim Pool]

It is a law conscious. It is a fact that when you have to write down your laws, your society is breaking apart.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think that's true.

[Tim Pool]

This is absolutely.

[George Santos]

Writing laws since the dawn of time.

[Libby Emmons]

I mean.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no. Most countries have what's called an unwritten constitution. The Constitution. Wade Stott's shout out. This is his. His thesis or he wrote an essay about this. He made a video about it. The UK has an unwritten constitution. What does that mean? Well, there's a thing the body politic largely agree on is acceptable and normal. However, the problem is it's now being violated and they haven't written it down. So in the American colonies, when they said we'll just have an unwritten constitution, you had the anti. I believe it was the anti federalist saying, no, no, no, no, hold on. We want guarantees from you. You better write it down. Why? Because different colonies had different rules and if there was going to be a federal authority above them connected to another, they wanted guarantees. Certain things could never be done. Now we have this issue between the left and the right where the left says the second Amendment clearly says a regulated militia, which means government control and national Guard. And the right says regulated meant well serviced and militia was of the people. Which body is correct in their interpretation of the second Amendment? I would argue ours is. They would argue theirs is. And I would again argue they're wrong. When you get to the point where you have to write down you can't murder people, it's because people are being murdered. Like we. We have to put a sign in the fridge in the kitchen down here that says, do not take an item if it's not yours. Why did we have to do that? I was shocked to find people were stealing food.

[George Santos]

Who steals lunch?

[Tim Pool]

Thief. It would open the door and what would happen is. No, no, no. I'm going to tell you what happened. We bought protein shakes. We brought specific protein shakes for athletes that were coming and we had like three of them and people shut up and said, these must be for everybody, and drank them. And then we did not have protein shakes for the athletes who requested them. So then we said we have to put a sign on the door that says do not take the last item and do not take things if you've. Not. If you don't know who's in it.

[George Santos]

Tim, can I ask you a question on that?

[Libby Emmons]

Like, go ahead.

[George Santos]

Working in corporate America, this was always an issue. And I was sort of funny. I guess some people aren't married or don't have. Have spouses who cook well and then they see a more appetizing lunch. Could it be like a lunch swap program at least?

[Tim Pool]

Look, my point is this.

[Libby Emmons]

When the Ten Commandments were written down, that was literally like a.

[Tim Pool]

You're reminiscing on Those Citibank days, too.

[Libby Emmons]

Much, you know, that was better. It was better for society that the Ten Commandments got written down, because it gives you a guideline. You don't have to guess. And morality is not something that just magically emerges within individuals and within societies. It needs to be organized and dictated to a certain extent.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think that people can't know what God requests of them without someone having written it down and then told them?

[Libby Emmons]

No, but I think that. I mean, first of all, if you want to know what God wants you to do, and you ask God, like, some people are gonna think they get an answer, and some people are gonna think they don't get an answer, right? I mean, that's a pretty amorphous way to go, and it's not really a way to organize a society. But if you put down all of these things on some stone tablets, for example, and you have a couple of different categories of. Of how these laws work, then I think it makes a lot more sense.

[Tim Pool]

Perhaps.

[Libby Emmons]

But we can say, okay, let's look at this. Don't do that. Don't do.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. Look at the First Amendment. Blasphemy was illegal in 1789.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

We didn't have free speech back then, but we wrote it down. Right. It doesn't mean anything.

[Libby Emmons]

What matters is it is still a social advancement to have these things written down and codified and to have codified laws.

[Tim Pool]

So if the First Amendment did not protect people from arrest over blasphemy, then what was the function of the First Amendment in 1789?

[Libby Emmons]

I'm not. I'm not arguing about what was the First Amendment in 1780.

[Tim Pool]

We wrote down in our.

[Libby Emmons]

It certainly became an advancement over time. Why in 1789, why is it an.

[Tim Pool]

Advancement to have written down you have free speech when you get arrested for your speech?

[Libby Emmons]

Well, I think things have changed over time, for sure.

[Tim Pool]

You know, what was the advancement about it?

[Libby Emmons]

People are. People are released after having murdered.

[Tim Pool]

What was the advancement of writing down free speech when people could still be arrested for their speech because people knew.

[Libby Emmons]

What their rights were and they knew what to scream about when they were violated?

[Tim Pool]

They did not, because the First Amendment is unchanged, but the interpretation has changed dramatically back and forth.

[Libby Emmons]

And John Adams was really slammed pretty hard when he started putting into place.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. So writing it down didn't do anything.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes, it did, because people were able to say, you can't do that. We have the First Amendment.

[Tim Pool]

And they still arrested people for blasphemy and obscenity.

[Libby Emmons]

Sure. And things change. Over time. And people can fight it. If it's ever intended as a total free for all that, you can just say anything.

[Tim Pool]

The point is, the founding fathers said we must have the right to freedom of speech. And then everyone went, of course, the ability to express your opinion on matters political is an absolute if we are going to have a new nation, hence we wouldn't have had this country because the King was shutting us down. Agreed. And then someone went, I don't like Jesus. And they were like, arrest him. Arrest him. And they did. So it was not, it was not free speech. It was what they were arguing, arrest people. Now what they had argued was the first amendment only lied insofar as your opinion was well within the Overton window of the colonies at the time.

[George Santos]

Well, I get what they are. I agree with that. But if you look back, I think the way that We've interpreted the first, the second, whatever amendment you want to bring into the 10th Amendment recently with states. Right, right. I mean you can go on and on on all of these, but the reality is, I think culture and time also influence a lot of how we interpreted a lot of these things. Let's just remember that these documents and these, these, these laws were written approximately 250 years ago and established to start the great idea that is the constitutional Republic of the United States. So the problem with it is, I mean, I'm a free speech absolutist, but I do believe we have to have guardrails and moral conscience guardrails on what we say. For instance, the lovely morbidly obese teacher who was doing, you know, I think that should be reprimanded. There should be social consequences to that.

[Tim Pool]

Let me take guys, a funny story about West Virginia. Do you know that alcohol is illegal in West Virginia? Completely.

[George Santos]

Oh, it's a dry state.

[Tim Pool]

It's a, it's, it's, it is prohibited under the constitution. You cannot drink alcohol. You cannot manufacture or. I'm sorry, you can't manufacture or sell alcoholic beverages in the state of West Virginia.

[George Santos]

Is there no alcohol here at all?

[Tim Pool]

There's tons.

[George Santos]

I'm saying legally. Can you buy it in stores?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, it's at 7:11.

[Tim Pool]

Now, now how does this make sense?

[George Santos]

Explain that.

[Tim Pool]

Because what happened was in 1914, they said, we are going to ban alcohol. We're gonna prohibit it, codified it in the constitution of the state. And then later on when prohibition gets lifted, you get a bunch of politicians in West Virginia being like, but we banned it in the Constitution. So what do we do? We have to ratify our Constitution again. And one member of Congress goes, actually, the Constitution says you cannot manufacture or sell intoxicating liquors. Clearly, that doesn't mean ethyl alcohol, because it's not toxic. It's just makes you bubbly. Clearly, the intent of the Constitution was to ban wood alcohol or isopropyl alcohol. Right. Those are the intoxicating liquors. And they went, oh, we can drink beer again. Writing it down to the Constitution literally did nothing because the body politic of West Virginia said, now we haven't beer. And I'll get. I'll tell you this. West Virginia explicitly bans gambling. There's a casino 15 minutes away.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, there's five.

[George Santos]

Briar Greenbrier has one as well.

[Tim Pool]

That's not 15 minutes away. That's. That's a few hours. West Virginia has five locations that were granted exempt status by the state in violation of its constitution to allow gambling.

[George Santos]

Well, just like New York, New York now has this huge concession. We.

[Tim Pool]

We.

[George Santos]

We have three, I think, casinos. Yonkers, Catskills, and Queens. But they're just slots, right? Oh, no. I'm sorry. And then Jake's 58 out on Suffolk county, four down.

[Tim Pool]

What's the. What's the Empire? Empire.

[George Santos]

That's Yonkers.

[Tim Pool]

And they're opening Caesar's Times Square.

[George Santos]

Well, that's the thing. Now that the state got three full casino licenses, and it was just like a night, a nightmare, a knife race.

[Libby Emmons]

I think Caesar's Times Square is the worst idea.

[George Santos]

I think it is a. Do you know what the level of loitering that is going to take place.

[Libby Emmons]

In the Caesar's Time Square reverse all of Giuliani's.

[Tim Pool]

Good.

[George Santos]

Let me just.

[Tim Pool]

When they're doing B's Chicago on the river.

[George Santos]

I'll put it this way. It is going to literally be the epicenter of homeless drug addicts that are going to go nuts.

[Tim Pool]

I disagree.

[George Santos]

They're going to Times Square. Caesars, dude. Times Square, Crown Plaza. I was at the. I was at a cocktail party once. Like, the homeless people were just loitering.

[Tim Pool]

When they. When they bring in Caesar, they're going to be cops surrounding Times Square. And they're already are. Yes, but. But, like, shot. Yeah, but it's going to get. There's going to be a heavy hammer when Caesars is put in.

[George Santos]

Well, not if we have Chamo Viral.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no, wait. The amount of money that Caesar's is going to make for the state or for the city in general, in taxes, it's going to be absolutely insane.

[George Santos]

But the Zora Mandami comprehend that. That's a bigger question. He wants to slash the NYPD, which by the way, is down 14,000 officers since 2020.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, let me 40.

[George Santos]

From 47,000 to 30.

[Tim Pool]

What do you. Let me ask you, what do you think Zaramnani wants?

[George Santos]

What? He wants his own personal Ivana utopia in the middle of New York City. Okay, but with 9, 10 million people and work.

[Tim Pool]

What? I see these communists, people like Zoran. You see all these videos where he does these fake accents. He's always talking different, he's always saying different things. He wants power. So if someone says this casino is going to generate $1 billion a year, put money in your pocket, he's going to be like, how many cops do you need? These are the people that said defund the police. And then when the police arrested Trump supporters, they clapped and cheered.

[George Santos]

Well, I guess you're right, because at the end of the day then he'll have a slush fund to fund his free buses and his supermarkets in the city. Or that the government.

[Tim Pool]

But I don't think he actually cares about those things. He's lying for power. And just like Brandon Johnson, those things are never going to happen.

[George Santos]

He lives in a rent stabilized apartment and goes to $500 dinners. So I get it.

[Libby Emmons]

I saw pictures of him.

[George Santos]

I get it.

[Libby Emmons]

The other night on Instagram, I saw pictures of him.

[George Santos]

$500. Morning, Zoe.

[Tim Pool]

Got donuts.

[Libby Emmons]

Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage?

[George Santos]

Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you teach me. So. Dana.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh no, I'm not really prepared. I couldn't possibly at T Mobile get the new iPhone 17 Pro on them. It's designed to be the most powerful iPhone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system.

[George Santos]

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[Tim Pool]

Nice.

[Libby Emmons]

Jeffrey, you heard them.

[George Santos]

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[Libby Emmons]

Dude, my work here is done.

[Tim Pool]

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[Tate Brown]

He perfectly embodies, I mean, because he's from Uganda, he perfectly embodies the way that the third world conducts their societies. And that's just like the truth of the matter. He will do anything. Like, you read through his policy and everyone's scratching their heads like, these policies don't make any sense. I'm like, that's the point. It's not supposed. There's nothing cohesive. He just cares about power. And this is the way that, that third world societies are structured from, From.

[George Santos]

Africa with love, my friend. Quite literally. It's insane.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, so it's like, oh, great job. Our immigration policy. Now we've imported dick. Like.

[Tim Pool]

So let's, let's, let's zoom out. Let's zoom out. The problem we have right now in the United States in the culture war is that there are two distinct moral worldviews. The two parent factions I describe, actually I should say quote to Stephen Marsh who said this. The multicultural democracy and the constitutional republic. We here all represent the constitutional republic. And the left we would describe as the multicultural democracy. They have an entirely different moral worldview. I believe it's a cult. And their moral worldview is literally just marching lockstep with Dear Leader. But that's the issue. What we write down in our laws doesn't matter. Why. Well, immigration, for instance, is heavily regulated and codified by Congress. ICE goes to enforce the law, and Democrats do everything they can to obstruct that. So Democrats are acting in it's. I would describe it as an insurrection. Well, or seditious conspiracy.

[George Santos]

They're perversely interpreting the 10th Amendment to fit their agenda. Right. When they do all these state different policies of, oh no, ice. ICE Free city, sanctuary cities are technically illegal in the Constitution of the United States, the overarching document that the, I guess the supreme law of the land. However, because of the 10th amendment, they've been able to override that at state levels, like New York State, Sanctuary state.

[Libby Emmons]

Make any sense though? Because it also says federal law supersedes state law.

[George Santos]

Exactly. Which really tosses away. What does it matter?

[Tim Pool]

What does it matter that we wrote down these laws and codified them as our formal system? If Democrats are doing everything to stop it from happening, they are aiding and abetting criminals, they're creating ICE trackers, they are telling their police to arrest conservatives who oppose them, and they're threatening to arrest police who are trying to enforce the laws we codified.

[George Santos]

Shout out to Nick Sorter for that. By the way, if it wasn't for Nick Sorter Portland, we wouldn't know what was going on there.

[Tim Pool]

So this is the issue.

[Libby Emmons]

Credit to Katie Davis Court from the Post Millennial, who was covering it since June.

[Tim Pool]

We are acting that too. We are acting like we need to write down to make sure these laws are upheld. But we all know why immigration must be enforced properly. And even though we all wrote it down, the Democrats are saying, we don't care that you wrote it down. We're going to do whatever we want. Want. Because the issue is, what will your culture accept? That's ultimately what it comes down to.

[George Santos]

And then when we get into the argument about. I make this question very simple. If I go to your house and jump in through the window, would you find that to be acceptable, or do you want me to go through the front door? So when I was a congressman, I went to tour the border and I asked that to actually detainees at. In El Paso and San Diego. Of course, you come in through the door and, like, then why did you come through the back window of our country? And, like, these guys looked at me like, oh, but you have to. I'm like, no, dude, this is my home. What are you doing here? Like, this is not how you come in. And, well, you got to understand. And I, I was running away from tigers in the Amazon. I'm like, oh, there's tigers in the Amazon now? It was just, like, wild. The most wildest thing. Like, you. You can't. You can't equate this. And they. They tell you, and they try to tell you all these sob stories. I walked from Columbia to the United States. I'm like, oh, you're one. How long did it take? Three months.

[Libby Emmons]

Like, nobody told you to do that.

[George Santos]

Who invited you?

[Libby Emmons]

They're given scripts from NGOs.

[George Santos]

I mean, of course they are. Like, we saw. I saw it firsthand. I was shout out to Vishbura, who was my operations director, who literally, literally, we were there. He's like, look, look, boss, those guys are instructing the immigrants. On the other side of the fence. Americans in Mexico, funded by usaid, say danger and don't say anything else. And we saw it with our own eyes. It's just like, nuts.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, there's. There's this Eritrean migrant who went to Sweden. I think it was Sweden. He raped a girl. He spent three years in prison for having raped her. And he wasn't deported because the court of appeals said that the rape didn't last, the duration of the event was not long enough in the uk and so he's not being deported because he didn't rape her for long enough for it to be considered a serious crime under apparently a UN agreement from 1951.

[Tim Pool]

There is more of the story because I was trying to find the details of the case that the way Sweden defines rape is not the way. And the way we do, apparently. You got to correct me on this one, because all I read was a cursory summary of it. It said that there was no penetration.

[Libby Emmons]

So the rape, like the EG Carol version.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Like I want to be clear here. Apparently she was sexually assaulted in some way that wasn't what we would describe as rape. We just. But, you know, describe it some other way. Again, he should have never been allowed in the country in the first place. I'm not trying to defend. I'm trying to say a lot of people think it's like he pinned her down and, you know, well, there's the.

[George Santos]

Case in the uk, I think it's. I'm not sure if it's Pakistani or Bangladeshi, where he actually raped a young girl and the courts literally slapped him on the wrist and said, well, you know, culturally taking women by force is okay. Where they come from. Like, this literally is happening.

[Libby Emmons]

It is insanity.

[George Santos]

So I wanted to say to you earlier what you said. Well, the UK doesn't have an actual constitution. Well, we can tell. That's why we can't even have steak knives in London. So it's like, it's chaotic. Like, we ought to put the laws. What bothers me the most is when I was in Congress, I would hear people like Tony Gonzalez, Mr. Amnesty, say, oh, I. I want to pass more laws. I'm like, dude, we already have immigration laws that are not enforced. Like, we have all these laws on the books that are not enforced, but we continuously.

[Tim Pool]

This is my point.

[George Santos]

More. I know it's your point. It's just infuriating because. Because every single thing that you hear these people pander to create profiles for themselves really stems from ignorance. We have so many members of Congress that don't even know the laws on the book.

[Tim Pool]

So here's where we are right now.

[George Santos]

Insane.

[Tim Pool]

We as a body politic recognize there are bad things happening in our country and the law is not being enforced. We tried saying, we're going to write these things down and post the sign, so you all know we're going to do it. Democrats responded with, we literally don't. We don't care. What you think is illegal, we're gonna allow drugs, we're gonna create injection sites. We're gonna allow illegal immigrants. We're going to arrest anyone who opposes us. And if your law enforcement comes in, we'll arrest them, too. And that's where we're currently at right now, threatening to arrest our law enforcement. Foreign forcing the law, writing it down did not change the culture of the multicultural democracy. The only thing that's gonna change it is if Donald Trump. I gotta ban us. Guys. Looking at everything thing, I think the only solution is reconstruction.

[George Santos]

Oh, I agree.

[Tim Pool]

Sending the National Guard into these blue cities and removing people from power and having new elections, rewriting this stuff because you've got corruption. People are fleeing these places, and all that's left are the ignorant communists who keep empowering communists, and we are going to have a civil war. Let me simplify it. California goes insane. Conservatives leave and go to Arizona. This creates a. It skews things more and more in the direction of the left because Democrats don't leave. This guarantees the entrenchment will be further and further left, and you will get a government that is absolutely far left. That far left government will eventually oppose your moderate American state or federal government. Eventually, they'll threaten to arrest or harm your law enforcement or your troops are coming in. So what did Abraham Lincoln do? He suspended habeas corpus. This I want to make sure everyone understand. I got into an argument with Grok, so we got to understand this. Okay. And I got an argument with Grok intentionally because these large language models are built on the corporate press narrative machine, which are intent on lying to you. The Civil War started at Fort Sumter in, I believe it was like March of. What was it? Was it. Was it March of. Might have been April. I don't know. Maybe it was April. April of 1861. A couple weeks after that, Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. We were still not in the actual Civil War. Historically, we say Fort Sumter started it, but it was actually two months later at the first Battle of Bull Run, where people were picnicking on the hillside as Confederate and Union forces were about to fight. Because they were like, there's no civil war. It's just not a real thing. So the question then is, under what authority did Abraham Lincoln suspend habeas corpus? He didn't. He didn't have it. Congress retroactively voted to approve his suspension of habeas corpus two years later. Two years, yeah.

[George Santos]

Pronunc Tunk was what they had to do, which is in lieu. This in lieu of that. That in Latin would be called after they.

[Libby Emmons]

George Bush, a whole bunch of extra powers, too.

[Tim Pool]

My point is this. Right now, Donald Trump could suspend habeas corpus, and the precedent would be the exact same as Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln, I am sending troops into states that are in rebellion against federal law, and these troops are going to make sure the law is being upheld and enforced. And we're suspending habeas corpus to protect them from saboteurs because ICE has been. Has been shot, shot at, they've been rammed, they've been attacked. The pretext for Abraham Lincoln suspension of habeas corpus was the potential for sabotage from Confederate sympathizers. Lincoln then arrested members of the Maryland legislature. All of this before it was called the Civil War. It wasn't until around 1863 people in this country said, we are in a Civil war. So understand where we're at right now, where no one's calling it a Civil war. What it would look like is Trump goes on TV today and says, we have made several attempts to send in National Guard into these jurisdictions to aid our ICE law enforcement. Here is here. 8 USC 1324 clearly makes this illegal. The American people voted for it. We are sending in these troops, however far left. Terrorists have been attacking our personnel, sabotaging vehicles, railroad tracks and shooting at our law enforcement officers, ramming them in vehicles. So we are going to suspend habeas corpus on the highways when these vehicles are in transport, meaning we can arrest you for any reason. If he did that, it would be identical precedent to what Abraham Lincoln did when he suspended habeas corpus along the railways from Pennsylvania through Maryland into D.C. two years after, two years later, when Trump wins, Congress will then say, we hereby vote that Trump was right to do it the whole time.

[George Santos]

So I'll say this. Look, I'm all for it. I don't disagree. I just feel like we're in a crossroads in this country where we can sit here and talk and ponder and demagogue all we want about it. The reality is, when are we actually going to do all of these things?

[Tim Pool]

Because Trump, Trump.

[George Santos]

Well, it's not even just Trump. It's like, will President Trump have the backing of a spineless Congress who are more.

[Libby Emmons]

And the Congress isn't doing anything. It's really been horrifying to watch.

[George Santos]

It's absolutely atrocious. Because unfortunately, and I'm not. I'm saying this to the detriment some.

[Libby Emmons]

I mean, there's good members, but there's great members.

[Tim Pool]

Look, Congress feels like A rubber stamp to the president's agenda.

[George Santos]

That is absolutely insane to even say that.

[Tim Pool]

Why? The one big beautiful bill just was totally. The one bill. Bill. One big beautiful bill.

[George Santos]

That's fine. But every, every single president gets their marquee bill passed. I mean, Biden did, Obama did, Trump did.

[Libby Emmons]

So I didn't add his inflation climate.

[George Santos]

Yeah, there's, there's nothing. And they're all BBBs at this point. Right. But my point is it has nothing to do with that. That's not a rubber stamp. A rubber stamp would be Trump calling them and saying, we're going to do martial law. We need congressional support.

[Tim Pool]

Rubbers, rubber.

[George Santos]

It's not going to happen.

[Tim Pool]

He doesn't need it.

[George Santos]

Well, he doesn't need it, but it would be again, because then they call him a king. Right. Because he skipped the legislator.

[Tim Pool]

And what did they say to Lincoln?

[Libby Emmons]

They're going to call him six separate.

[Tim Pool]

Tyrannos and shot him in the back.

[George Santos]

I understand. Well, I don't, I don't want that happening to Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Right, agree. My point is they're going to call him. Abraham Lincoln was called a dictator, a tyrant. He was evil. I mean, look, seven states seceded from the Union, and there were four other states that were 2 to 1 in favor of the Union until Lincoln sent troops into the South. They said, holy crap, Lincoln is a tyrant. We are seceding to. It's out of hand. And then Lincoln won and he sent in the troops. Reconstruction. So the, the precedent of what happened in the Civil War with all of these liberals who would also agree. Abraham Lincoln, the greatest president we've ever had. It's like, okay, wait till you see what that looks like. Because I, I, we can talk about this. What I. Here's a question for you, George. It's not a trick question.

[George Santos]

No, go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

Who, who are the good guys in the Civil War?

[George Santos]

To me, the Union.

[Tim Pool]

Most, most people are going to say the. Almost all people are gonna say the Union. Yeah. So when Sherman. So Abraham Lincoln, Suspension of habeas corpus. He threatened journalists with arrest. He threatened Supreme Court justices with arrest. He arrested members of the Maryland legislature. He arrested Northern sympathizers with the Confederacy. He sent troops, and obviously we know he did.

[George Santos]

He jailed members of Congress. He expelled members of Congress. Were expelled. Right. And he jailed members of Congress. I agree with everything you're saying. Right.

[Tim Pool]

And then we had Sherman, who marched to the sea, raising farmlands, massacring civilians, destroying railroads, roads, making sure they couldn't eat. And boy, if you go down south, nobody Forgot Sherman and they're the good guys. Slavery was bad and the south was trying to secede. So the scorched earth war tactics of Sherman, massacring civilians, burning down farms, raising, just destroying generations of homes, even among people who were not involved, was a necessary. They said, you know what, What? Punish them. Make sure they feel the pain.

[George Santos]

Well, they were setting examples, right, which, which I agree. And again, these are barbaric tactics of war. But then I always remind people when we talk about war in war times, what's the number one currency of war? And everybody looks at me like, what do you mean, currency? Weapons. I'm like, no, death. Like, that's the number one currency that's a toll of war. Right. People are going to die. So again, and tactics are, in some case, some cases, we've, we've heard a lot of testimony in Congress about Afghanistan and Iraq and some things that are reprehensible, that were done by our troops, that we have to sit here and be like, well, that's not good. You know, and I love our veterans and I love, I love the fact that we're out there for a war for, for, for freedom and whatnot. But I agree it's always going to be tough in war. We're always going to have people who, I mean, go back to World War II, there's people who think that, you know, Hitler was right. And I think it's nuts when I hear that, I'm like, who, who thinks this was good? And I have to debate this. I defeated this in prison, actually, where somebody came and said Hitler wasn't too wrong. I'm like, you're certifiable. Stay away from me. And the person continued to antagonize me. And it was like this whole blown out debate. So you're gonna find crazier people who sympathize with wrong. Regardless.

[Tim Pool]

My point is simply the only thing that needs to happen for Trump to win is Trump decides to escalate his tactics and then he has to succeed in his strategy. After that, history is written by the victors. Trump can write whatever he wants. In the event Democrats decide to go full bore against Trump, which I believe they already did, and I believe they're losing. But if they do succeed, they will just simply write that they were the good guys and they won. The rest of us go to prison.

[George Santos]

The Democrats will never be the good guys.

[Libby Emmons]

Lori Lightfoot, you know, Chicago's former Democrat mayor, she launched.

[George Santos]

Oh, Beetlejuice. Yeah, she launched the, I forgot about her.

[Libby Emmons]

She just launched, launched the ICE Accountability Project, where she's calling basically to dox all ICE agents. She's like, we're gonna put up pictures of what they look like and what they're wearing and their shoes and their cars and where they live. And then she had the nerve to say it wasn't doxxing. But this is what she's. She's doing. And you also have. What was it like? Some people in the House are putting together a website to track all ICE Enforcement accomplices.

[George Santos]

Criminal.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, it is criminal. And you also had the ICE Tracker app, which was removed from Google and Apple stores on the, you know, their app stores. But now we have lawmakers actually doing this stuff. And to your point, Tim, I don't, I don't think that the president has the stomach to do any of that stuff. And I don't think the Republicans have the stomach for any of it either. They certainly don't when it comes to the House. They can't even, like, get the government back open to.

[George Santos]

Well, that's not the House. That's the Senate. That's a Democrat. That's all on Schumer. We do need accountability. Who's going to hold Lori Lightfoot accountable for looking like an absolute mess, destroying Chicago? And what is that on her head? Is that hair? Where's the accountability there? There's no accountability.

[Tim Pool]

We got to go to you your super chats and Rumble rants. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. The uncensored portion of the show is coming up at [e-mail] timcast IRL. You don't want to miss it. Don't forget we've got an event coming up. DCC comedy loft.com click events rants. Look for us November 8th. Alex Stein, Emily Saves America, Myron Gaines and Brian Shapiro. Dating in the modern era. That's the debate. But for now, we'll grab your rants and chats from everybody else. CB says the left worships kindness. If you disagree with their definition of that or think we should prioritize something else, you're a Nazi. I don't. I don't know that the kindness is the right word. It's likeness. Do what they say or else. Ray J says if your fantasy league team isn't pulling through for you, you can just claim that the mob bribed them to throw the game. How do we think this will affect sports betting moving forward? It'll clean it up, I think.

[Tate Brown]

Did you see where on ESPN today they were breaking the story and on their Chiron on the bottom they have their ESPN bet, like Chiron. Advertisement. They just took it off like in the middle of the segment and it's just like a gray box there. Like some PA got chewed up out.

[George Santos]

Like, dude, no, no, get it off. Nothing there.

[Tate Brown]

It's like, all right, guys.

[Tim Pool]

Sh. Walters says as a sports fan, we've talked about games being rigged for ages. The NBA is not surprising. We see how many easy baskets are missed. Don't even get me started on, on the flopping. Like you got fouled. Oh, everyone's talked about football for ages too. I watched so many conspiracy theory videos and they say that the NFL is sports entertainment. That's how it's actually registered, which means they're legally allowed to rig the games.

[George Santos]

So that explains Aaron Rodgers and the jets first, like what, 30 seconds. I was there for that. That was really painful thing.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Tim Pool]

Shane Hwather says, even I will admit my beloved Astros cheated to win the World Series with the middle name of Houston. I can't just switch teams.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Is that, is that what happened with the Astros?

[Tate Brown]

The Astros. So typically when you're stealing signs, it just means you have someone on second base. Well, they had a TV in the dugout and they had a trash can and they would bang on the trash can to signal signs to the batter. So he would know they're watching on tv. Yes, they're watching on tv. So the batter would know if it's a pitch worst.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think that's the first time that happened either.

[Tate Brown]

Well, sir, I mean, yeah, I mean it's been. There's ways of stealing signs.

[Tim Pool]

So did they get in trouble for that?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Oh, they did. As far as they did. They didn't vacate the World Series.

[Libby Emmons]

There was, there was another, there was another situation where you know how they started miking everybody who's on the field, right? And so people were watching the game and they could hear the coaches talking.

[Tate Brown]

About, yeah, yeah, yeah. But stealing signs always been a thing. That just means you have someone on second base and he's just sitting there. Cuz the catchers signing pitches.

[Libby Emmons]

You watch it.

[Tate Brown]

But this was like egregious cuz you could listen back through all the broadcasts and you're boom, boom, boom. And then Altuve would just knock a home run. So wild stuff.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Chad's UPNET says we're a few days late, but baby girl number three was born last Saturday. Moved to Texas from California last year. Bought more guns. Keep it up, Tim. Cast and crew. We Appreciate everything you do.

[George Santos]

Congrats.

[Tate Brown]

Welcome to the world.

[Tim Pool]

Patri Madcap Falcon says. Awesome to see one of the greatest congressmen of all time. Question for Santos. How many chi chis you ate in prison? You look chunky.

[George Santos]

Chi cheese. What's what?

[Tim Pool]

Chimichanga. I don't know what that is.

[George Santos]

The hell's a chichi? Look. No, actually I lost weight, so I do I f you.

[Libby Emmons]

How is the food?

[George Santos]

The food was really bad. I mean, you know what? There were days that it was not descriptive, non descriptive. It felt like they just opened like cans of Friskies and dumped it. I'm just like. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Did you get in any fights? No.

[George Santos]

Oh, yeah. Like a me. Oh, no. I mean, sharp tongued. Like, I. I could get into verbal arguments.

[Tim Pool]

Were there a lot of fights?

[George Santos]

No, not really. I was in a. I. I went to a camp, right. So it's like Camp Cupcake. Like, I'm not even kidding. It's like a bunch of like white collar, whiny guys and then a bunch of like old drug dealers who've been doing so much long time that they're like at the tail end of their sentences and they're not going to mess up. It's like literally Camp Buttercup. And then there was this one really eccentric Jewish guy there which was very fun.

[Tim Pool]

It wasn't you?

[George Santos]

No, it wasn't me.

[Tim Pool]

I'm.

[Tate Brown]

Is.

[George Santos]

So there's this actually really conservative Jewish guy there who really managed to get some guys to completely convert only to the kosher meal.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. And you didn't. You didn't get the kosher meal?

[George Santos]

I did not get it.

[Tim Pool]

Believe you. In the jail.

[George Santos]

I know. I just didn't want to do it. I said, I think this is going to help with my rehabilitation going on kosher. So I said, let's just not do that. But it was really bad food.

[Tim Pool]

Did you have to run? You didn't have to run with a gang. Nobody effed with you.

[George Santos]

Oh, yeah, sure. I joined the gang.

[Tim Pool]

I thought that's what you.

[George Santos]

I have like this tattoo do.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's what they do in the top gangs.

[Libby Emmons]

Chocolate mousse. Right. That's what they have at Camp Cupcake.

[Tim Pool]

Lucasor says Mary is correct. Laws help inform morality and morality influences laws. Giving people a structure to base their life on is actually good. Let me, let me, let me phrase it like this. I don't care for laws. I care for God's laws. I think that a religious moral structure is a legitimate means of writing something down. I believe that humans Getting into a room, room and then writing down what they think is important and matters for other people won't make the other people do what they want them to do unless they already shared the intrinsic moral worldview.

[Libby Emmons]

But I'm also saying that the law can influence whether or not society has those common principles.

[Tim Pool]

The law teaches morality. I think the Bible teaches, I think Christian world tradition teaches. And I think the laws.

[Libby Emmons]

Civil law also does.

[Tim Pool]

I don't agree. I think civil law is derivative of moral worldview. And this is a Christian nation founded by people of a Christian moral tradition. And if you did not have that worldview, you would not care for the laws that were written because you'd view them as others, which is what we're experiencing now.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, like in order for the Constitution to make any sense, you have to be participating in the culture in which the Constitution was written. That's where the breakdown comes. Like with like the Second Amendment, you need to be participating in the culture around the second Amendment with the First Amendment. Like that's just how this works. And it's all derivative of natural.

[Tim Pool]

We gave Liberia the American Constitution.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

It didn't work.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, you have to be a participant in that original like or on. McIntyre and Tucker talked about this recently and Oran pointed to that sort of original sort of Anglo Protestant culture as something that you kind of have to sort of.

[Tim Pool]

We tried bringing it to Afghanistan as well. It didn't work. Vietnam didn't work to the extent that.

[Libby Emmons]

We can still dismiss. Describe this country as having a Christian culture. It's one that's inherited, not earned by the people who enjoy it. And we inherited laws that of course were written originally and codified by Christians. Agreed, devout Christians.

[Tim Pool]

And that's why I'm saying enjoy the benefits of that.

[Libby Emmons]

And it informs what little we have left of Christian morality in this country, even among people who don't identify.

[Tim Pool]

I think that you could get rid of 99% of laws if everyone was actually a devout Christian because the laws are already in the Bible. There's already the teachings, there's already what people know to follow. I mean historically we wrote down these laws and in Dearborn, Michigan, the Muslims are still chopping off lady parts.

[Tate Brown]

I mean the Constitution was designed mostly lecturing the government rather than the people. I mean this is obviously because it stems from like the Magna Carta. And like when the Magna Carta established that was more putting restrictions on the king because like in pre Norman English society it was very like free for all.

[Tim Pool]

The point being that when the founding Fathers were like, we all agree we have a right to free speech. You government, you can't infringe upon it. Clearly we don't mean blasphemy, though. They didn't write down, they didn't mean blasphemy. So the point is we wrote these laws derivative of the Christian moral tradition. And that's why these laws don't matter to people in Dearborn, Michigan, because they're Islamic. Islamic. They follow Sharia. So you've got all these stories of young girls getting their, their, their, you know, female circumcision is a problem in these areas. You've got Sharia patrols. They don't care what our laws say. And, and Democrats don't either. If they don't share the moral tradition of Christianity, they're literally going to be like, you can write down whatever you want. And here's another. Here's a better way to put your.

[George Santos]

Patrols in New York City, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

Sure, but here's a better way to put it.

[Libby Emmons]

There's also jiff.

[Tim Pool]

If, Let me ask you guys a question.

[Libby Emmons]

Neighborhoods.

[Tim Pool]

If, if, if the town you live in, Mary, Sharia, it's like past a law. Okay, Mary, if the town, if the town you live in passed a law saying women weren't allowed to go outside without being accompanied by a man anymore, you'd wear a burqa, would you agree with that law and say, okay, or would you be like, no?

[Libby Emmons]

What would it mean for me to say no?

[Tim Pool]

Go outside and walk around and do.

[Libby Emmons]

Whatever you want by the law and then get arrested?

[Tim Pool]

Maybe you get arrested or maybe they'd ticket you, but you'd be, Would you defy the law in any way, regardless of the consequences? Probably, but, but they wrote it down. Why isn't that informing you? Like why, why wouldn't you.

[Libby Emmons]

What I mean is, you know, historically in. And you're right that when people share the same religious foundation that informs their morality, they don't need to be policed. And it's mostly self enforced. But historically, in societies mostly comprised of devout, believing Christians, they still did codify Christian morality into law, and it still mattered that they codified it.

[Tim Pool]

So the issue that the way I see it is largely, it was not in smaller communities, as their morality was already informed by the Bible and the community was small enough to where they basically knew what you could and couldn't get away with. As society started growing and becoming more. When society got big, they said, we're gonna start writing things, things down, Congress, things like that. But everyone still largely agreed with the gist of it. That's why I say 95% of laws. Cause there's certainly, there's like property rights and how tall can your sign be? These are very. These are getting in the weeds. But when you started going multicultural, writing things down did not matter. Writing the law down to inform morality. The point where I disagree with this is the ideas of what is the true moral worldview. We have come from the Christian world tradition. Whether any atheist wants to agree or not doesn't matter because it's a fact. We have. We have a Christian world tradition. Our amendments are rooted in things like Blackstone's formulation, the precedent set by Christians and the teachings of the Bible. And you don't have to be a Christian to follow those things. However, we then start getting multicultural society. When we wrote these laws down, like your flag can only be 20ft high, it was because people of the shared moral worldview were like, okay, I get it. If I want to challenge this. Here's the process by which we have. We. We settle our disagreements and what we can or can't do pertaining to certain laws. So we ban some things, we ban some other things. We say, okay, right. That's minutia of morality. That is not the overarching moral worldview. Now you're bringing in Asian cultures, Middle Eastern cultures, Islam is a great example. And their moral worldview is so far at odds with the Christian world tradition. They're like, we literally don't care what you write down. We will not follow that. They understand. We are telling these people, we, as the Constitutional Republic of America, will lock you up and throw away the key if you violate what we've written down. So their response is, make sure they don't catch you.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, I mean, even beyond just the Christian, because we're introducing two pieces to the recipe, here is the Christian component and whatnot. But even like you cited Liberia as an example. I mean, Liberia is a predominantly Christian country. So there has to be that cultural element as well, is, like, absolutely necessary in combination with the Christian combination. Right, exactly. So it's like America fundamentally is like a Western country. So it's like the Christian. It is true, that is part of the recipe, but it has to be in combination with the cultural background of the people as well, or it won't work. I mean, Liberia, exhibit A and same like Kenya. I mean, Kenya inherited pretty much all of theirs from Britain. And they're fundamentally different from Britain. Not anymore, but they used to be fundamentally different from Britain.

[Tim Pool]

Let's grab some more of your chats and carrying the conversation. Melania, Mama says heard a theory that the droning of these boats is not about narco terrorism or regime change. Iran and China are running operatives out of Venezuela. They plan to activate cells in the US when they're ready to take Taiwan in 2027. I wouldn't be surprised.

[George Santos]

Oh that's a theory I. I actually espoused when I was still in the house because of the immigration. So many Chinese nationals at the border. It strikes me odd because they don't have a hard time getting visas to come here in China. They don't actually need to come here illegally. The fact that they're coming in here illegally, they were trying to be undetected. Just like we've learned throughout the years that they like to be undetected in here to activate. And I, I concur with that. I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think that's a fact and I just think it's a matter of time that we're going to learn the fact and it's going to be very uncomfortable. And I love the fact that it's going to be Joe Biden's legacy that we have to fix.

[Tim Pool]

You support the president drone striking these.

[Tate Brown]

Narco terrorist boats off of the coast of.

[George Santos]

I wish he would hire me to do the operation. I sit in a control room playing like what's the name of that game back like that very old game that like you would Gallagher.

[Libby Emmons]

Battleship.

[Tim Pool]

Not Battleship.

[George Santos]

I'm saying the little shooter that you shoot aliens Gallagher. There you go. I would, I would sit there in a control room literally playing alien invader shooting every.

[Tim Pool]

Well I made. I made this game.

[George Santos]

There you go.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna. Wait, wait. I'm gonna.

[Libby Emmons]

1% of Americans support this cartel action.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna.

[George Santos]

Are you kidding? I'm shocked it's not 100.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta, I gotta. I have to wait to the uncensored portion of the show to explain my video game to former representative San Jose. You'll enjoy it. So give us, give us eight minutes. Let's read some more. Dr. Rick says $5,000 head to head Texas hold' Em between you and me with a one time $5,000 reload here in Yonkers on a Friday night night live. Broadcast it on your podcast. It'll be an education on how to play poker. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say no.

[George Santos]

Don't go to Yonkers.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna say no.

[Libby Emmons]

Already a good plan.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna say no for a Couple reasons. It's not called head to head. It's called heads up. And it, I guess reload is technically correct, but you could say rebuy, so I'll let that one slide, I suppose. But when you didn't say heads up match, I fear that you may only think you're good at poker.

[George Santos]

Joker, don't go to Yonkers.

[Tim Pool]

Feels like a different game than heads up is what it is what it's called when it's only two players. Yeah, it feels different than like. Oh, it's very different. I actually, I love playing heads up. Oh, I don't. It's a much more. Much more difficult. I'm not used to the ranges. Heads up. You.

[George Santos]

You play cards.

[Tim Pool]

I fall short of the glory of God. So yes, I.

[George Santos]

You literally patronized us for an entire moment of this. You play cards.

[Tim Pool]

You should do better. Shut up.

[George Santos]

Be better than actually shut up. This dude literally busted our chops for like a solid 20 minutes of this show to only turn around and say he plays cards. You are so full of.

[Tim Pool]

As I say. Oh, I didn't say I don't play poker. Wait, it's a skill game.

[George Santos]

Walk away.

[Tim Pool]

It's not a rule for D, but it's a game of skill. Actually.

[Tate Brown]

Santos, you build us a parlay for tonight. I don't know. Maybe I don't do just. I only do skill based games.

[Tim Pool]

No blackjack.

[George Santos]

I am so mad at you right now.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just kidding there, Dr. Rick. I don't think I want to play. So I played the world poker Tour stream. I'm getting invited. I'm a pro poker player now. I get invited to these. These games, but I don't like playing high stakes poker. So they reached out and they said they want to play a 510 game. That's $5, $10, big blinds. And then I said, what's the max buy? And said there isn't one. And I'm like, dude, I'm not going to sit down at the table where a guy puts 20 grand in front of me like, I'm not playing. And so we, they said, okay, we'll do five. How's five grand sound? And even then I'm like, I guess I ended up losing $7,000. I just ran as miserably as possible and I called shenanigans that they put Doug Polk to my left, but that I'm just kidding about. But now I got invited to a 2550 game. Do you know what, what that is? They think you're there. You're their whale.

[Tate Brown]

That's what's going on.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, bro, I'm tiny compared to these players. Okay? I got invited to a game in Vegas, a show with. With pros. And they're. And their buy ins are going to be like 25, 000. And they're like, you could buy in for five or ten. I'm like, I'm. I. I'm not playing a game that big, dude. I usually play 2:5. 2:5 is my game. It's not the lowest stakes, but it's like basically second lowest at any, any poker room. And usually you buy in for like one or $2,000. So it can, it can be big bets, but it's a stable game. Low stakes is. It's. It's insanity.

[George Santos]

You know, the thing about poker that frustrates me is it's so easy to intimidate. Morning, Zoe.

[Tim Pool]

Got donuts.

[Libby Emmons]

Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage?

[George Santos]

Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you. You teach me, Saldana.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, no, I'm not really prepared. I couldn't possibly. At T Mob, we'll get the new iPhone 17 Pro on them. It's designed to be the most powerful iPhone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system.

[George Santos]

Wow, impressive. Let me try. T mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network.

[Libby Emmons]

Nice. Jeffrey, you heard them.

[George Santos]

T mobile is the best place to get the new iPhone iPhone 17 Pro on us with eligible traded in any condition. So what are we having for launch?

[Libby Emmons]

Dude, my work here is done with.

[Tim Pool]

24 month bill credits on experience beyond for well qualified customers, plus tax and 35 device connection charge credit sending balance due to payoff earlier. Cancel Finance Agreement. IPhone 17 Pro 256 gigs 1099.99 A new line minimum 100 plus a month plan with auto pay plus taxes and fees required. Best mobile network in the US based on analysis by Oakland Speed Test Intelligence Data 1H 2025 Visit t mobile.com Somebody.

[George Santos]

On a bluff or like you described it perfectly earlier, the thing I like about blackjack is I sit at the bare minimum stakes table. $50 minimum hands. But I play like an absolute 50.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we got 15 out here, bro.

[George Santos]

Well, well, I'm saying I play high limits because of the hand shuffle less decks. You only get six decks instead of eight decks.

[Tim Pool]

Right? Right.

[George Santos]

So. So it's your odds are you're. You're what, 104 cards less edges lower for the house. Exactly. But I'm not. I'm. I'm betting like an absolute animal. And for me I just find like the risk reward is better and you get a better bang for your buck when you're playing.

[Tim Pool]

So I, I will say if you're going to play like roulette's a really great example.

[George Santos]

I love roulette. It's so toxic.

[Tim Pool]

MGM has, if you go to MGM national harbor, they have triple zero.

[George Santos]

It's awful.

[Tim Pool]

Do not play that game. It's a waste of money because your minimum bet is going to be, I think probably $100 inside or outside. But if you go to the high limit room, your minimum bet is 200 singles. You zero? Yep. Meaning you've got like European roulette. Yeah. I mean it used to be American until they were like, hey, we can put extra numbers in here and rip people off and they will just keep playing. Yeah. So triple zero is nuts.

[George Santos]

Yeah. That MGM sign on the wheel like throws me off because then it changes the orders of how you play your numbers and the neighbors. So again, relax. And if left a great drunk game.

[Tim Pool]

If you're not familiar with triple zero and you go to MGM, they've got 000 MGM and you might think it's an empire and then it lands on the mgm. You're like, wait, what happened? And they're like, you lose and you're like that.

[George Santos]

That's a bet. That happened to me, my birth year in 2023. We celebrated and everybody decides, well, we haven't partied enough. It's 11 o' clock at night, let's just go to MGM. And I fell exactly for that. Me and a bunch of people fell for. We didn't realize it.

[Tim Pool]

I see a ton of people go like, oh wait, that was. I thought it was an emblem.

[George Santos]

And not to mention you're betting completely off. Right. Because I think you're betting your numbers and your neighbors and your just not.

[Tim Pool]

They change the order of the wheel.

[George Santos]

It's awful.

[Tim Pool]

All right, what do we got here? Pumpkin spice says. Tim, what would your advice be for someone looking to get into poker? I know the basics of the game and could afford to play with $100 of your thoughts. The first thing I would say is.

[George Santos]

Don'T make fun of people like that. Awful.

[Tim Pool]

Here, Tim will explain why that's dumb. No, what the first thing I'd say is download the World Series of Poker app. It's free. It's a no stakes game. So they give you fake chips to play with and then you can play I then recommend you watch Lodge Live Stream Poker and Hustler Casino Live Poker. However, they play a little wild on those shows intentionally to make them entertaining. I would recommend watching Triton Series or like WPT tournament events and the World Series tournament events so you can see how people are playing the things they're doing. You need to watch a lot. I wouldn't recommend sitting down with $100 having not done any of those things. If you, if you have a ton of money, the fast and easiest way to learn is sit at a table. Because theoretically if you go to a casino it's a one, two game or one, three every, every orbit maybe, I don't know, that could take 20 minutes. You're gonna have to put in $1 or you know, put in $2, then $1. But you don't have to put any other money in if you don't want to. Theoretically you could be on the big blind and just accidentally win and take it down. Sometimes the blinds will chop because nobody chooses to play and you can get a feel for the terminology, the rules, what people are saying. And to a certain degree people will try to help you because more players is always better for the game and they won't rip you off so long as you choose not to put money in the middle. I would just say play free online versions first, which is not really going to teach you a lot about how advanced strategy is, but you will at least understand the basics of like oh, I got an ace and a three and you'll start to learn. If you do want to play with a hundred dollars, you're in a very weak position. Typically a hundred dollars is the lowest buy in for any card room. And when you are low, you're base, it's called short stacked and you're basically going all in. Whenever you decide to make a bet, which it's, it's not very fun, I don't like. Then there's also deep stack where you have a massive amount of money relative to the blinds. And I'm not a big, big fan of that. But there is a lot more room for strategy. Here's basically what's going to happen. You're going to look down at a good hand. Maybe you have ace queen suited and so you're playing a one, two game. You say I'll bet $10. Someone then goes, I'm going to raise to 50. Well your only option then is to call or go all in. You don't have a lot of options at that point. So you're basically playing for 100 bucks, you're like, I got ace, queen. I'm all in. Who wants to flip for it? And then there's no real strategy involved. You're just. It's called flipping. So study. Always important. Important. All right, let's see. Scott House says George would be a fun regular on the cast. More Santos, please. George is always welcome to come back. Where are you based out of?

[George Santos]

For now, New York, but.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, well, whenever you want.

[George Santos]

Probably not staying there. Not. Are you on?

[Tim Pool]

Do you know my.

[George Santos]

Are you friends with Milo Yiannopoulos? Yeah. I plead the fifth. No, I love Milo. I love Milo.

[Tim Pool]

I was just saying, like, an episode.

[George Santos]

With me and him would be chaotic, though.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[George Santos]

Very chaotic.

[Tim Pool]

I was like, we should have you and Milo on because. Because it would just be a cacophony of.

[George Santos]

Do you know who would be fun, too? Well, if we're doing that, then that would be fun. But another person that I think who. Who literally texted me said he was here, but it was a day your daughter was born, so he didn't get to meet you. It's Kevin Smith, a buddy of mine from Long Island. Loves you. Very good friend of mine. Shout out to Kevin, who's watching. But yeah, I'd love to come back.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely. Everybody, everybody smash the like button. Share the show. We're going to the Rumble Rumble uncensored show [e-mail] Timcast IRL. But before you do that, go to Timcast.com Join our Discord community. You will be able to call into our members only uncensored show. And ladies and gentlemen, tomorrow we are trying a experiment. We're going to pre record the show because it's Friday night. Here's why. Friday nights usually have slightly lower viewership. Because it's Friday night, people are going out and doing stuff. And then people will watch Saturday morning, Sunday morning and Monday morning. And we can see it actually breaks up over the weekend. Additionally, there's no news breaking late on Fridays for the most part. When people bury stories, it'll be sometime in the afternoon. So we thought, okay, how do we. What can we do to maximize efficiency? Prerecord. Premiere it at the normal time for everybody else. But for our Discord members, backstage pass. What we're going to do is basically, as we're doing pre production, setting up. Everything we're saying as we're gearing up for the show will be audible to our. To the Discord members who will be able to then ask questions. Because as a pre record, we won't be taking super chats. We'll be taking Discord member commentary and questions. And I assure you the hour of pre production is a show unto itself. And sometimes I'm like, we should have recorded all that. So now we're doing the Friday backstage pass for our Discord members. It's gonna be a lot of fun. And then that means you get to watch the show early if you so choose. But it will air premiered at the normal time as the show normally does. So follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Join [e-mail] George. Do you want to shout anything out, George?

[George Santos]

Mr. Stantos NY on X. And make sure you go on Cameo. I just got Tim to join Cameo, so make sure you get your cameos.

[Tim Pool]

And I said, I'm charged. I. I said I'll join, but I'm just going to charge a lot of money because.

[George Santos]

No, he's not. He's gonna lure it, I promise you.

[Tim Pool]

I'm. I'm at Tim Cast on Cameo. Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

How did no one take that?

[Tim Pool]

I think it's because you can't. Oh, okay. I can't.

[George Santos]

You have to be the talent.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Santos]

Unless you're like, impersonator, and then it's like Tim Cass, impersonator. There is one charging $10. Doesn't look like him. It's not him.

[Tim Pool]

Can people impersonate me? I'm a hard guy to impersonate.

[George Santos]

I mean, this dude put a beanie on and thinks he looks like you. So maybe it works. I might try it out.

[Tim Pool]

I got to. I got to. I got, got to. I got to tell George about the video game that I made. But we'll do that after we finish here. Absolutely. Guys, thanks for tuning in. I'm a lot. Eliyahu White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. Mr. Santos, thank you so much for dropping in.

[George Santos]

Great to see you again. It's been a minute.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, we'll get into it on the after show. We have a little bit of history, guys.

[Libby Emmons]

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[Tate Brown]

I got a plug Today's interview on the culture war with Doug Polk. Fantastic. Fantastic stuff. Go check that out and otherwise you can follow me on X and Instagram @realtate Brown we'll see you guys later.

[Tim Pool]

We'll see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out.