Netflix Shares TANK, Elon Says BOYCOTT After Writer MOCKS Charlie Kirk Assassination w/ Jason Scoop & Jack Posobiec

Summary

Timcast IRL Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Netflix Shares TANK, Elon Says BOYCOTT After Writer MOCKS Charlie Kirk Assassination
Air Date: October 2, 2025
Guest Panel: Tim Pool (Host), Jason Scoop (Comedian/Trump impersonator), Jack Posobiec (TPUSA), Luke Rudkowski, Ian Crosland

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OVERVIEW

Main Theme:
The episode delivers a wide-ranging discussion on escalating “culture war” battles—a controversy over Netflix’s programming and its fallout after Elon Musk’s boycott call, the mocking of Charlie Kirk’s assassination by a left-leaning writer, intense polarization in U.S. politics, media bias, and breakdowns in the social and legal order. The panel critiques the cultural influence of media companies, the apparent double standard in societal reactions to political violence, and speculates on looming state vs. federal conflicts. They also discuss the upcoming Super Bowl halftime show controversy, political divides in swing states, ADL/FBI partnerships, and the need for greater toughness in response to rising lawlessness and political violence.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & TIMESTAMPS

1. Netflix Boycott, Culture War, and Elon Musk’s Influence

[00:22]–[08:45]

• Main Story: Netflix shares drop 2% following Elon Musk’s public call to “cancel Netflix” due to a children’s show featuring a transgender character and a Netflix writer mocking Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
• Panel Reaction: Critique Netflix for “gender ideology” targeting children. Tim Pool reiterates he canceled Netflix after the “Cuties” controversy, questioning why others haven’t.
• Notable Quote:
  • “I canceled [Netflix] after the Cuties thing. But now apparently they've dropped down a couple percentage points. It's even made it to CNBC.” — Tim Pool [00:22]

Critique of Liberal Media Normalization

• Jason Scoop and Jack Posobiec discuss how cultural content aimed at kids is less about discipline and more about “figure it out yourself,” leading to chaos.
• Elon Musk’s actions demonstrate the power of social media and celebrity influence to make an economic impact overnight.

2. The Mockery of Charlie Kirk's Assassination

[14:51]–[16:08]

• Context: Creator of “Dead End: Paranormal Park”—which features a trans character—allegedly celebrated Kirk’s death and labeled him a “Nazi.”
• The group highlights the contradiction between messages of "love and acceptance" and public celebration of political assassinations by leftist creators.
• Notable Quote:
  • “...look at these horrible people, these absolute scum, and the things that they'll say after a man is brutally murdered...turn around and say, oh, we need to be loving...” — Jack Posobiec [15:56]

3. Broader Battle for American Culture & Media Bias

[17:27]–[20:22]

• Luke Rudkowski claims Netflix is “a propaganda machine of the establishment,” tracing its history to Edward Bernays, founder of modern propaganda.
• Debate over why conservative, Christian-friendly pop culture is not uplifted by the right and how the left “took for granted” the overtly Christian themes.
• Divergence between Protestant and Catholic traditions in ritual/practice is discussed, touching on authenticity and American moral foundations.

4. Super Bowl Halftime Controversy – Bad Bunny, ICE, and Jay-Z’s Influence

[21:07]–[24:37]

• Conservatives upset about Bad Bunny (Puerto Rican artist known for drag performances and leftwing views) headlining the Super Bowl halftime show.
• Trump (via Scoop’s impersonation) jokes about deporting Bad Bunny; panel clarifies he is a U.S. citizen.
• Jay-Z’s Roc Nation controls Superbowl selections, suggesting broader left-wing cultural insertion.
• Notable Quote:
  • “Jay Z, of course, being best friends with Barack Obama...Netflix has signed huge deals with the Obama family...so Jay Z being good friends with him...it’s meant to be this sort of culture jamming and it’s very corporate.” — Jack Posobiec [23:19]

5. Wokeness and Culture War Victories, Counter-Programming Ideas

[25:35]–[29:17]

• Frustration that progressive “woke” agendas persist in media despite conservative backlash.
• Jack Posobiec suggests Turning Point USA should do a Super Bowl counter-program featuring Creed (the rock band) as “the only sincere, Christian-themed band” with broad appeal.
• Sharp digression into why Gen Z craves authenticity and sincerity—contrasting postmodern irony with “metamodernism.”
• Notable Quote:
  • “Gen Z...wants sincerity. They want genuine sincerity...even if you don’t agree with Scott Stapp, you know that guy is sincere.” — Jack Posobiec [29:58]

6. The Escalation of Political Violence and Lawlessness

[30:06]–[57:40]

• Deep concern over the normalization and even celebration of political violence (Kirk/assassination, Antifa, attacks on ICE, attacks on journalists like Andy Ngo and Katie Daviscourt).
• Critique of law enforcement for failing to protect against left-wing violence—police inaction, legal double standards, and calls for urgent federal action.
• Bold challenge to the “moderate right” (e.g., Dana White) for being too soft on leftist extremism.
• Notable Quote:
  • “A society that tolerates the veneration of assassination is a society that has opened the door to civil war. These people should not be welcome in polite society.” — Tim Pool paraphrasing Will Chamberlain [56:08]

7. State vs. Federal Power: Potential for Open Conflict

[85:32]–[89:27]

• Discussion of “geographic bifurcation”: Americans fleeing left-run cities for safer states, leading to legal and cultural schisms.
• Raises hypotheticals about California/Newsom refusing to cooperate with ICE/federal law enforcement, and whether blue state authorities would actively oppose federal agents.
• Parallels drawn to “civil war” undercurrents—standoffs, stoking of partisanship, and governor vs. president standoffs.

8. Antifa, Terrorism Designations, Civil Liberties

[61:18]–[66:33]

• Trump’s administration labeling Antifa as a terror group is debated—panelists argue there is actual leadership, funding, and cross-continental coordination.
• Defense of robust law enforcement, against “semantic games” of leftists who downplay the violence.
• Acknowledges constitutional and civil liberty concerns but insists severity of situation mandates federal action.

9. Loss of Confidence in Institutions, Rule of Law, and Social Order

[92:34]–[98:56]

• Analogies to collapse of confidence in government in the USSR and the rise of competing “gangs”; prediction that U.S. could see rampant lawlessness if order isn’t restored.
• Cautions regarding the brutality potentially required to restore order, and asks: “What are you willing to see to restore order?”

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• “Liberals like to put ‘anti-’ in front of the things they do. So, like, ‘anti-racist’—let’s segregate races. ‘Anti-fascist’—let’s brutally beat people who disagree with us. And then the ADL is like, ‘we’re anti-defamation—let’s smear and defame tons of people.’” — Tim Pool [51:54]
• "Lincolns’ not wrong to suspend habeas corpus if faced with insurrection; when the left commits 'thirty or forty terror attacks this year...' we're in Lincoln territory." — Tim Pool [62:15]
• "If you want to know how effective police can be at curbing crime, look at El Salvador: mass arrests, zero-tolerance, ended a century of crime—done." — Jack Posobiec [108:14]
• "The attitude of ‘we should not have a line’ will be our downfall. The left has been unrelenting in their censorship and their abuse of power." — Tim Pool [70:55]
• "What is ‘Odoo’? Well, it’s a bit of everything. It’s a fertilizer, magic beanstalk, building blocks for business…” — Jason Scoop, during an impromptu ad-read parody [72:25]
• "Government only exists through confidence. ...If a clown shows up, his warrant is as meaningful as a clown warrant. That’s what happens when there’s no confidence in government." — Tim Pool [93:17]

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PANELIST ATTRIBUTIONS & CHARACTER MOMENTS

• Jason Scoop performs several Donald Trump impersonations and provides comedic relief, while also sharing his real insights about protest violence and media culture.
• Jack Posobiec acts as the most analytical culture-war commentator—offering deep dives into the logic of “metamodernism,” explaining left-right differences in activism, and providing first-person accounts of Antifa violence and Capitol Hill confrontations.
• Luke Rudkowski frequently references establishment propaganda and pushes conspiratorial history regarding Netflix and political power.
• Ian Crosland challenges the panel on the moral consequences and the dangers of excessive force or brutality for restoring order, echoing libertarian concerns.
• Tim Pool drives discussion, repeatedly returning to the urgent need for clarity, sincerity, and action in the face of rising chaos and violence.

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TIMESTAMPS: IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• Netflix Boycott, Elon Musk Calls Out “Woke” Content: [00:22]–[08:45]
• Transgender Kids’ Shows & Writers Mocking Political Violence: [09:58]–[16:08]
• Why Conservatives Abandoned Mainstream Pop Culture: [17:27]–[20:22]
• Super Bowl, Bad Bunny, ICE & Culture Seepage: [21:07]–[24:37]
• Wokeness and Counter-Programming—“Creed” Super Bowl Show: [25:35]–[29:17]
• Escalation of Political Violence and Calls for Law Enforcement Action: [30:06]–[57:40]
• ADL-FBI Partnership, Internet Censorship & Law Enforcement: [46:57]–[54:18]
• Antifa as a Domestic Terrorist Organization: [61:18]–[66:33]
• Collapse of Urban Confidence, Need for Federal Action: [92:34]–[98:56]
• Panel Closing Remarks and Reflections on Political Violence: [122:07]–[128:18]

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FINAL TAKEAWAYS

• The discussion is a microcosm of U.S. culture war anxieties: anxiety over child-targeted “woke” media, celebration/normalization of political violence, and dissatisfaction with both state and federal law enforcement response.
• The episode is laced with dark humor, sharp skepticism of liberal political and media actors, and a pervasive sense that American civic and social order is under direct threat from within.
• Panelists repeatedly call for tougher, more sincere, and confrontational engagement from the political right—while wrestling with the immense challenges and moral ambiguities these confrontations entail.

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This summary is designed to help listeners and non-listeners alike understand the flow, tone, and takeaways of this hard-hitting episode of Timcast IRL, providing key context, direct quotes, panelist dynamics, and clear reference points for further exploration.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Netflix shares are tanking after Elon Musk called for a boycott of the platform. A writer for a show that was promoting transgender ideology to children has mocked Charlie Kirk and the assassination. This has resulted in many people spam blasting Twitter saying, cancel your Netflix. Showing all the programs that Netflix has that push gender ideology. And I'm just sitting here being like, y' all still have Netflix. I canceled that after the cuties thing. But now apparently they've dropped down a couple percentage points. It's even made it to cnbc. We have other news. It's kind of funny. It's not a serious. But Bad Bunny got, I guess, chosen for the super bowl halftime show. And conservatives are questioning this choice because the dude doesn't even sing in English. Well, he claimed he will not do shows in the USA because he's scared of ice showing up. And now we are learning the Trump admin plans to send ice to the super bowl halftime show. There's speculation that maybe he will cancel and not do it out of this fear, but we'll see. And then there is some serious news. France has boarded a Russian vessel believing that they were launching drones that was interfering with flights over Europe. We don't know necessarily if this is going to be an escalation, but with the Article 4, with Article 4 of NATO being called as often as it has in recent history or in the past few weeks, with Russia's movements in Europe and violation of airspace, there's a lot of concern that this could lead to an escalation. And then there's some good news, though. It looks like the Republicans have a shot at taking the governor's race in New Jersey. So we'll talk about that and so much more before we get started. We got great sponsors. We got Beam Dream, my friends. Head over to shop b e a m.com Tim Pool and pick up your Beam Dream. It helps you sleep. They got this delicious hot cocoa. 15 calories, no added sugar. Mix it with some hot water, drink it right before bed. You will sleep better. It's got melatonin, magnesium, L theanine. I did not even know that my sleep could have improved. So at my sleep score with my mattress, it tracks with 85 to 90 every day. And I, and I started drinking this every night. Starts hitting 95 to 100. No joke. I am a huge fan of this. I drink it every night before bed. So go to shopbeam.com Tim Pool check it out. But we got another great sponsor. A new sponsor. Yo, it's perplexity. AI's Comet browser. This is really interesting. Check this out. Let me ask you guys something. How much time do you spend every day on a web browser? How much time do you spend clicking around online, searching, scrolling, typing, endless tabs? Delahrit. Well, there's a new AI web browser from Perplexity called Comet that has completely changed in the way you're able to interact with your browser. Comet feels like having a personal assistant living in your web browser that can actually do things for you across the Internet. Literally do things, not just give answers. You can ask Comet to handle tasks for you, and it literally clicks, types, searches, and scrolls just like you would to get things done for you. That's crazy. In the background, while you go about your day, go to Perplexity. AI Comet. Comet can navigate around the web like a human would. Clicking, typing, searching, scrolling, getting what you need done so you can do more. Some of the things it can do, it can order food from, like, doordash or Domino's. It can book personalized restaurant reservations. It can buy stuff on Amazon. Wow. Movie tickets, book flights, prep you for your day, send messages and emails, schedule things, search, respond, and analyze. It can pull up videos, tabs, or other searches you're looking for. That's crazy. Download Perplexity's new AI web browser, comment by heading to PPLX AI Timcast, and let your browser do the work for you. Plus, right now, when you download Comet, you get a month of Rumble Premium for free. Yo, check this out. And we're gonna have that uncensored members only show [e-mail] Timcast IRL. Not tonight, but we do that Monday through Thursday every other week. Not here while we're in Phoenix because of logistical reasons, but it is a bit tough. Smash that, like, button, my friends. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is President Donald Trump.

[Jason Scoop]

Well, Tim, it's great to be with you. I've been a fan for a long time. I have been able to come on because I've been making America and really the world, if you look at it, great again, right? Saving us all from the N word. Right? Which, of course is nuclear. You know that better than anyone. But it's great to be with you. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you really?

[Jason Scoop]

Who am I really? Oh, you want me to break character already? The guy who booked me, I'm Jason Scoop. Follow me. Great to be here.

[Tim Pool]

I think everybody gets to who you are. You're a Donald Trump impersonator. That's right.

[Jason Scoop]

Comedian impersonator. I Do all the impressions.

[Jack Posobiec]

Keep my Tim. If people are listening, they may not realize who could have fooled them. Yeah, exactly. We could have done the whole episode that way. Cut this out. Cut it in post.

[Tim Pool]

People are going to be sending messages. You actually have Trump on this? Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[Jason Scoop]

I do a bunch of impersonations, but Trump has certainly been the most, I would say, lucrative, and the one that's really put me on the map the most.

[Ian Crosland]

What's the main tactic you do to get it?

[Jason Scoop]

Oh, boy. I would just say practice makes perfect. I do it so much, I'm on cameo. So I'll do how many ever cameos a day? And so really, I just get better by accident.

[Tim Pool]

I think you're starting to sound like Trump, naturally, because you're getting too into it and you're forgetting how to be yourself.

[Jack Posobiec]

Where are you from in the world, world?

[Jason Scoop]

I grew up in Long island in Levittown.

[Jack Posobiec]

See, there you go. It's. It's always people who are like, from the area. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They can do the best. This is gonna be fun. I'm. I'm sure it'll be funny, but we got Jack's back.

[Jack Posobiec]

Jack Sobic. I have not left. I'm still here. Just again, really appreciate everyone coming in. Ian, didn't even realize you were here. Did the show yesterday, but great pleasure. Great to. Great to have you here, brother.

[Ian Crosland]

You too, man. I've been thinking about you almost every day. Thank you literally a lot, man. I love you, man.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I appreciate it.

[Tim Pool]

Looking forward to working with you and.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do stuff back at you.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm Ian Crosland and Luke, of course, won't leave.

[Jack Posobiec]

We tried.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Even if I was, I'm not leaving. The Russian tanker news is pretty crazy. The US just announced that they're going to be providing Ukraine intel for long range missile strikes inside of Russia. So that's also happening, which is kind of troubling. But anyway. Lucratowski YouTube.com we are changed. Jason is a great follow. Awesome to have all you guys here. And Ian, good to see you too, man.

[Ian Crosland]

Too, Luke. I love you too, man.

[Jack Posobiec]

You're okay.

[Tim Pool]

We just met.

[Luke Rudkowski]

You're fine.

[Ian Crosland]

Tim, I love you the most. I'm just kidding, man.

[Tim Pool]

It's. You're just kidding.

[Ian Crosland]

No, it's.

[Tim Pool]

I love you all, bro. All right, let's get to the story. We have this from cnbc. Fast Money Traders Talk. Netflix shares dropping after Elon Musk tells people to cancel. Now, with all due respect, it wasn't Elon who started the Charge. I don't believe many people were calling for the boycott of Netflix because there's a writer on a show, a children's show, that's promoting trans ideology to kids. And this writer had disparaged Charlie Kirk. Let's play this from. From cnbc, if we can. Welcome back to Fast Money. Netflix shares falling over 2% today after Elon Musk urged his followers on X to cancel their subscriptions. Musk taking issue with the presence of a transgender character on one of the streaming platform shows he posted cancel Netflix for the health of your kids this morning. Morning. Our Steve Kobach has more on all of this drama. Steve.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, boy, here we go. Look at the power of an Elon Musk tweet. Mel. Because the targeted rage of that tweet and of his fans and followers, they sent Netflix shares down 2% today after Musk spent part of his day tweeting about that Netflix show called Dead End Paranormal park, which features a transgender character. It's an animated show, by the way. Now, I think you guys can see where this is going. Must call on his followers to cancel Netflix and said he already did so himself. He also criticized Netflix's DEI policies and pointed to it as another reason to cancel the service.

[Tim Pool]

There's also. Well, I just want to add, as, you know, Elon Musk tweets as I'm like, y' all still had Netflix, so I canceled it a long time ago. Remember the cuties? Things happened.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I was just like, wow, this is messed up.

[Ian Crosland]

I've actually never.

[Tim Pool]

And they called the advertisement, like, a mistake. They were like, oh, yeah, it was an error that this bill, like this banner went out. And then all these liberals were like, cuties was fine. It was the post that went out for. It was just a mistake. And everyone was like, bro, the whole movie was children in adult themed content. That's disgusting and wrong. It was very strange that, you know, liberals gargling Tylenol is one thing, but defending Netflix over this content was nuts. Yeah.

[Luke Rudkowski]

At minimum, it was Predator bait and it was extremely disturbing. I'm gonna take a bold move today and I'm gonna announce that I'm gonna cancel the Netflix account of my friend who I'm stealing right now that you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Were stealing Netflix from them.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Sorry.

[Tim Pool]

You know, well, we have a couple of clips I want to show you guys. This one clip from one of their shows to give you an example of what. What they're talking about. This is actually an old clip. This resulted in another canceling. But this is a children's show. I believe I could be wrong about an interracial gay couple who adopted a child, a little boy. They want to be trans.

[Jason Scoop]

How about you break out those moves.

[Jack Posobiec]

For your two biggest fans? If you're not sure what to choose, think about.

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[Tim Pool]

Just be you. Just be me. Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

When you're trying to decide, think about all the things you like to do. Just be you. Just be me.

[Tim Pool]

You see, I'm of the mind that we need to tell kids what to do. And it's a, it's a weird reality. This, this. I guess there's another divergence between left and right. I think you get your kid, hey, you're playing piano. You're going to piano tutor and they're gonna teach you how to play piano. And the kids are like, I don't wanna play. You're playing piano. Like, you need to give your children discipline and make them do things that will be good for them in the future. What the liberals have prescribed with these Netflix shows, what Elon Musk is pointing out is they're saying you're a blank slate. Figure it out yourself.

[Ian Crosland]

I think you need at least parameters. Cuz if you took a kid and put them in a, a muddy pit with a bunch of worms and you're like, you can do whatever you want, the kid's gonna start eating worms and that's gonna be his life. Cause that's all there is available.

[Jack Posobiec]

So have we. We haven't actually played the show that Elon's talking about though.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Jack Posobiec]

These are.

[Tim Pool]

Let me search for that one.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Cause I want to put that one up.

[Tim Pool]

But.

[Jack Posobiec]

But no, you're both right. I mean, Tim, you and I were saying earlier on my show, it's like, what if you're, you know, what if a kid came up and said, well, I like to eat pennies and I really want to eat pennies. Which by the way, kids will absolutely eat just anything that you leave out and play.

[Jason Scoop]

D'oh.

[Jack Posobiec]

You're Tim, by the way. You are getting to that point. You're not there yet.

[Tim Pool]

No, we're there.

[Jack Posobiec]

There you are there. It happens.

[Tim Pool]

Pacifier that we have has one of those clips fall on the ground and she flipped it around and started putting the clip.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay. So yeah, you can see what's coming.

[Ian Crosland]

You can learn so much from things by chewing on them.

[Jack Posobiec]

Which by the way, so. So you can tell by the way the age of someone's kids if they have in their house by like. So when you have. When your kids are little. Then like all the stuff goes on the counters, but then eventually as they get bigger, then stuff has to go into the cabinets. And then eventually you just have to stick stuff on your ceiling because, you know, when they're teenagers, because they can't reach it otherwise. No, it's, it's.

[Tim Pool]

What was the name of that show?

[Jack Posobiec]

Dead.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, here it is. Here's the clip. Here's the clip. Let's play the clip.

[Jack Posobiec]

Dead end.

[Tim Pool]

It's not the part. It's. It's me. I'm trans Norma. School knows and everyone at home knows. And being here, it's like a whole new place. I can just be b.

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[Tim Pool]

Arnie and I can choose if and when. I tell people I've never been happier. And that's saying something. When I spent a day chased by terrifying zombie mascots, Pugsley reminded me how important it is to live your life without apology. So I think I gotta give living here a shot, don't you? You don't need my permission. I just wouldn't want Courtney as a roommate. We'll be the best of friends. So here's. Here's this show and the other show. This one's targeting kids seven plus. The other show is targeting like four or five year olds. What? There's another show that's going viral for Netflix about dinosaurs. And there is. There's like a teenage lesbian romance in it. Abruptly and for no reason. What's creepy about this is that parents think they're turning on.

[Jack Posobiec]

That one is associated with an extremely famous franchise.

[Tim Pool]

Was Park. Well, so here it happens. Parents go on Netflix and they see a show and it's like for your kids, dinosaurs. And they go hey, dinosaurs. And then basically, of course, you know what they're doing. This is like a Family Guy joke where it's literally a Family Guy joke where Lois buy some, like, therapy video for Peter, and she's like, we're gonna teach you how to be a better husband. Is your wife gone? Okay, let's do this. And starts pulling her clothes off. This is what they're doing to kids. They're saying, let's learn about dinosaurs. Are your parents gone? Okay, let's show the lesbian sex scene. And it's like the parents leave their kids. Watching this and not realizing what Netflix is injecting into this.

[Jason Scoop]

And watching this made me think back about how susceptible I was as a kid. I mean, you remember being, like, five or six, you know what I mean? You have what your parents teach you, but then you go to school, some kid says something, the cool kid, and then you, like, adopt that ideology because he's the cool or she's the cool kid. So, yeah, I mean, I think this is. This actually has a real life impact on children.

[Ian Crosland]

And you're like, in your house. So there's that level of comfort where you're just writing all the data.

[Jason Scoop]

100%.

[Jack Posobiec]

I want to pull up because I believe there's another piece of this, and I want to get the actual quotes, because the creator of this show, in addition to this, also had been. And it. I. I can see people talking about. Hamish Steel was celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk on his Blue sky account and saying, you know, I. I want to get the actual. I don't know if we can say all of it, but, you know, something along the lines of, like, he was a Nazi, and he kind of. He did. That's it. You have it there, and it's disgusting and it's sick. And you look at these horrible people, these absolute scum, and the things that they'll say after a man is brutally murdered. And so they'll turn around and they'll say, oh, we need to be loving. And you listen to the. The words, the phraseology of the character in his show, the trans character. We have to be loving. We have to be accepting. We have to be caring. And it's like, even. What about Charlie Kirk? He called Charlie Kirk a random Nazi.

[Tim Pool]

And not just that, but why are they so vile? I mean, like, we understand the.

[Jack Posobiec]

So. So. But you know what I mean? The dichotomy of when you be loving, you need to be accepting. Except out those random Nazis like Charlie Kirk.

[Tim Pool]

But that's what I'm saying.

[Jack Posobiec]

Why would you even care?

[Tim Pool]

These people just go online and they just rage. They're just angry all the time, screaming at the top of their lungs. And it's like, bro, chill, chill.

[Jack Posobiec]

And this guy, by all extents, I mean, he's, he's got a show on Netflix. He's obviously quite successful. Be able to do that. You know, he's. I mean, it doesn't look like a particularly interesting show. The writing is pretty awful. The animation looked really cheesy.

[Tim Pool]

Netflix sucks.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like, right? So you. But you'd think, though, that if he's this full of rage and full of nihilism and full of resentment, that, you know, at least by being successful enough to have a show on Netflix, you perhaps think that the, that the world has turned out for you. No, I understand what's going on, but I'm saying that a normal person would respond like, wow, I've got a show on Netflix. That's awesome. This is so cool.

[Tim Pool]

Let's try and sell the show to everyone.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's, let's, let's talk about. Yeah, let's talk about how great the show is. And I want everyone to watch it.

[Jason Scoop]

And he's in the Hollywood bubble where everyone there thinks alike and he knows.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, he's not gonna face any repercussions for it.

[Jason Scoop]

100%.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think they think anything. I think they think I'll just say what everyone else says. It's very much like putting the blank black profile picture up when George Floyd died. They don't know what's going on. Someone just told them to do it, so they did.

[Jack Posobiec]

And they've got someone in their ear. They've got someone in their ear who's like, oh, this is a good thing. This is a good move. You should do this. Yeah.

[Luke Rudkowski]

People need to understand Netflix is far more of a nefarious organization than a lot of believe. It was co founded by the great nephew of Edward Bernays and Sigmund Freud.

[Tim Pool]

Really?

[Luke Rudkowski]

Yes. And it is the propaganda machine of the establishment. It uses subliminal messaging in order to propagandize people in such horrible, horrendous ways. Every time there's a, there's a bad black guy, they make him a white guy. Every time there's a white good guy, they make him a black guy.

[Tim Pool]

Well, every.

[Jack Posobiec]

Bernays himself is the founder of modern propaganda.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

But I'm going to push back a little bit. I blame conservatives a lot. And hear me out. We were just talking before the show. I love playing these songs like Chop Suey by System of down. Because Serge is literally singing the words of Jesus Christ.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's Christian.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then you also have, like, a stone.

[Jack Posobiec]

They're Armenian.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And. And my point is, there are a lot of songs that conservatives don't realize that in the mainstream were very much pro Christian. And they. They've not. They're not familiar with these songs or otherwise. There was a show on Netflix called the Order, and it was a werewolf vampire show or something. I haven't seen it a long time. They had two seasons, and it was about communist professors being evil villains and were the bad guys really? Yeah, Legit. Watch the show. And I was shocked. In season two, there is a communist professor, literally, with, like, a communist book, Communist books on his bookshelf. And he's. I forget what it was, but he's like. He's the villain who's trying to usurp the power of these, like, mystical, you know, college students or whatever. They canceled the show because nobody watched it. And I thought the show was fun. I was like, look at this. They finally have a villain who's a Marxist college professor. The problem is, like, with. I reference Captain America, the First Avenger movie, all the time. I'm like, guys, you had a movie that was about a scrawny young man who was so desperate to join the military, he lied seven times to get in, and he fights for America, and.

[Jack Posobiec]

His name is literally Captain America, Captain America.

[Tim Pool]

I'm like, shouldn't conservatives have been like, this is the greatest? And he's a Christian, too. In the mcu, he liter makes a reference to this. He says, there's only one God, ma', am, in the Avengers movie. Why weren't conservatives lifting that up? Instead, I think they took for granted what was. Because so much of our culture was just an overtly Christian theme that when it fell off, they got mad about it, complained about content they didn't like, but never propped up the content they did.

[Ian Crosland]

There was, like, a backlash in the 80s against Christianity because there was this overcompensation, from my perspective, being born in 79, where they were, like, trying to ban Dungeons and Dragons and get the F word taken out of music. So people kind of revolted against it. And I think that was lingering to the point where people were so distanced from it. But one of the things I love about Catholicism, and I'm not a Catholic personally, but you are practicing Catholic, Jack. And I want to ask you more about this, is, like, they would force people to repeat the seven virtues maybe daily, if not weekly. And so they're always remembering these seven important ways to be. And then now that we have a free speech society without compelled speech, we don't force anyone to say anything.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I wouldn't necessarily say forced, but, you know, it's more along the lines. So this is a big issue between, like, Protestants and Catholics, where, you know, so, you know, Catholics, famously, of course, we have our rosary right here it is. And they'll say, they'll say, oh, those are vain repetitions. So a Protestant will say, well, that's a vain repetition. And you should just pray from the heart, pray directly to Jesus. And what we would say is, well, wait a minute. You know, these are the words of the Bible. These are words directly from the Bible. And by saying them over and over, these, we believe the prayers are sacred as well. So that when you say them in, in tune, you're giving that to God. And so it's. It's more like it. But a Protestant would come in and say, oh, well, that's just a repetition. But it's not vain. And that's. That's the key difference. It's not vain at all. Do you ever.

[Tim Pool]

We're gonna, we're gonna jump to the story from Variety. Trump ICE agents will be at super bowl for Bad Bunnies halftime show. It's so shameful. They picked someone who seems to hate America. Now, this is why it's funny. Conservatives got really angry that Bad Bunny was going to be performing the halftime show. He didn't even speak in English. He's leftist. He's got videos of him in drag and other things like that. And he's even stated he won't do US Tours because he's fearful ICE will show up at his events. So now they've announced they will be at his event. The question is, is he gonna panic and cancel out of fear that they might actually do something?

[Jack Posobiec]

By the way, doesn't ICE always come to Super Bowls in general? Because there's always huge issues with, like human trafficking and prostitution and, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Law enforcement in general.

[Jack Posobiec]

All of this. And right as just. You are going to need extra law enforcement from. And Homeland Security, because Super bowl is, of course, a tier one event from a security perspective. We obviously just held a tier one event here. That's why I'm kind of. It's fresh on my mind up at Phoenix, which we were told had higher security than the super bowl because the president being there and all the Secret Service, even though the president. I know he attended last year at the super bowl, so he May have. He may attend again, hopefully, when my Eagles are there. And it's just very common to see extra agencies augment in cases like this. I hope they go. I mean, they should deport him, too.

[Tim Pool]

They're definitely going to be there because it's not hard to be there. Law enforcement is going to be there. They do security for these events, especially the Super Bowl. I'm assuming Trump will be there as well. And I don't know why he wouldn't go. I mean. Well, actually, he was like the first president a long time who went. Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

The first sitting. Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Scoop]

It was a great game. Great game.

[Jack Posobiec]

How was it, Mr. President? Did you like it?

[Jason Scoop]

It was fantastic, right?

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Are you gonna deport Bad Bunny, sir? Well, well.

[Jason Scoop]

Oh, now. I'm now going back to myself. Well, we're looking into him. We're looking into him very strongly. But I'll be Jason again. Didn't somebody say he doesn't even sing songs in English?

[Jack Posobiec]

He does not.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he doesn't. But he's Puerto Rican.

[Jason Scoop]

I'll take the wig off.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, hey, your hair is. Yeah.

[Jason Scoop]

Anyway, I dyed it blonde.

[Jack Posobiec]

Anyway, so it's Bad Bunny guy.

[Tim Pool]

Is he Puerto Rican?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, he is.

[Ian Crosland]

He's okay. He's a citizen.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but so if he's not doing shows in the US where is he doing shows?

[Jack Posobiec]

Latin America, mainly. So his. His fan base. So the whole goal here is a marketing strategy. And so Jay Z controls the super bowl selection. Halftime. Halftime show selection process through his company, Roc Nation. Jay Z, of course, being best friends with Barack Obama. We were just talking about Netflix and the propaganda there. And obviously Netflix has signed huge deals with the Obama family to be producers on all this. All this random stuff and predictive programming. So Jay Z being good friends with him. So you just saw Bad Bunny where he was inserted into the Netflix sequel of Happy Gilmore 2. And suddenly this guy that, you know, the English speaking world just is not familiar with is suddenly Adam Sandler's caddy. And the goal is, and it's meant to be this sort of culture jamming and it's very corporate and very obvious where they're saying, hey, white people like Adam Sandler and Hispanics love Bad Bunny. We're going to put them together and they're. They're doing the exact same thing with the Super Bowl. He was.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't even know or care.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm pretty sure he was the caddy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I didn't recognize. I don't even recognize the guy. I didn't realize he was in that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Movie I could double.

[Tim Pool]

I just thought that was an extra.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, because that's how I heard his name before. Because I remember watching it and look at like, who is this guy? Like he's this huge role and I'm like that bunny. Like what? What is that?

[Luke Rudkowski]

Yeah. I mean the guy earned his spot. I mean he. He did the humiliation rituals. He dressed up in the dresses.

[Jack Posobiec]

He deserves to be the satanic dresses.

[Luke Rudkowski]

We deserve a demonic Illuminati drag show. Okay, we need one. I mean, bring it back please. For the conspiracy theories. I'm going to make so many videos about this. Please make it as I know and bring out Baffamet. Like child sacrifices. Let's do it.

[Tim Pool]

Since. Since Trump got back, Luke, you've been starving for content.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, I know.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Not really. The Epstein stuff has kept me pretty busy, so.

[Jason Scoop]

And did anyone like that movie? I thought it was horrible.

[Jack Posobiec]

Happy Gilmore to have some good moments. I'm not going to. I'm not going to crap on it. Had some moments, but it was in general pretty bad.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, it was. It was not good. It was. It was. Hey, look at me. Look at, you know, Happy Gilmore. Remember Happy Gilmore guys? And they kept doing flashbacks in the movie. I was just like, okay, we get it.

[Ian Crosland]

Did they just do clips from the first movie?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they did. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's what I haven't watched.

[Luke Rudkowski]

It was on Netflix. Steal my friends account.

[Tim Pool]

Here's. This is a big question though. I mean we've seen with. With Netflix, with Disney and Jimmy Kimmel with Bad Bunny. Look, we've got tremendous victories in the culture war, but they're still holding on. Woke is still has its presence in these industries. What do we have to do to route wokeness and get it to finally back off?

[Ian Crosland]

Make sure that we don't become a communist technocracy. Because if we. If our government falls into communism.

[Tim Pool]

Greater question. Yes, I understand.

[Ian Crosland]

Otherwise it's just going to happen. We're just going to resist.

[Tim Pool]

The question is how do we like doing.

[Jack Posobiec]

Just be yourself, Keep doing this.

[Tim Pool]

Just be you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Tim, it's very clear to me what must be done here. Is that Turning Point USA needs to host a counter programmed halftime show starring the only sincere band that has kept going with a fully Christian theme. As you say, Celine Dion from day one. No American band. American. Get that Canadian nonsense out of here, Luke. I'm talking about Creed. I'm talking about Scott Stapp. I'm talking about taking this entire country higher to a place with golden streets.

[Tim Pool]

Where blind men see you guys talk about that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Men.

[Ian Crosland]

See, I think on your show today, on Charlie's show, when you guys were so.

[Jack Posobiec]

So. Tim, in all seriousness, that clip has gone mega viral.

[Tim Pool]

Did you tweet it?

[Jack Posobiec]

I did. It's a good idea. Andrew tweeted it out as the, like, official spokesman of Turning Point. And now the media. There has been a frenzy of media requests as well as, like, sponsors and donors and all sorts of people and other artists. Christian artists.

[Tim Pool]

1.6 million.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, 1.6 million views. And no, I had no authorization whatsoever to start talking about.

[Tim Pool]

It's got to happen, man.

[Jack Posobiec]

And now it's like.

[Tim Pool]

Do you do it at the same time as the official halftime show?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, same time as the official show.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So, like, we could watch football and then change the channel. Watch Cree.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, we do, like, a live stream or, like, maybe do a partnership with, like, one of the channels that.

[Tim Pool]

Talk to Sinclair.

[Jack Posobiec]

I am not saying that there have been conversations about this earlier today in this building, but, you know, it's. It seems to have taken on a life of its own.

[Tim Pool]

I would. I would pay money to see that dude.

[Ian Crosland]

The last two years, we came to Turning Point for Amfest. I've wanted to play that stage.

[Tim Pool]

It's.

[Ian Crosland]

It's destined for music.

[Tim Pool]

And that's. That's all that anybody wanted, is to see Ian open for free.

[Ian Crosland]

We got songs that we, like, are partially rehearsed. Some of that. Like, the audience is hungry for that energy. It deserves it. You know, politics is a little dry sometimes.

[Tim Pool]

It's good to get.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do you know why Creed is the only band from that era that's. That has, like, resurged the way that they have and is. And it's because of sincerity, because. Because we've moved past postmodernism. So postmodern music was all this, like. It was, like, super ironic and just, like, very biting and very sarcastic. But I believe we've actually moved past postmodernism into metamodernism.

[Tim Pool]

I think Jack's friends with Scott Stabb, and.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so, no. No, I've never spoken with him.

[Ian Crosland]

How do you define metamodernism?

[Jack Posobiec]

Metamodernism is so modernity was this sort of, like, I'm genuine, like, Captain America, like, I love America. I love my country, blah, blah, blah. But then postmodernism comes in and was like, well, did you know about 16, 19? What about slavery? This. What about that? And then. And then metamodernism comes in and is like, you know what? I love my country, and I don't care what you say about that stuff. So it's like, it's like you're combining the sincerity with the irony. And sometimes you're even being ironically sincere. And you see this a lot with like JD Vance memes or like even like the modern crop of Trump memes where it's like, is this an anti meme or a pro meme? It's a pro meme. But aren't you kind of laughing? Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Sombrero.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. So we made a meme of like JD Vance and a sobrero and a mustache today. You're like, are you mocking him? No, we love him.

[Ian Crosland]

Or Gavin Newsom was getting him elected.

[Jack Posobiec]

But do you get what I'm saying? It's meta modernism.

[Ian Crosland]

Well, so what's happening is you got, you got modernism, then met, then postmodernism is like the good guy's actually the bad guy. And then post and then metam. Modernism is like. And I don't care.

[Jack Posobiec]

Exactly.

[Ian Crosland]

He's still the good guy.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

So you, you, you incorporate the irony into the genuine love for the thing you have. And so the core of this, the key of this, and this is what, what Gen Z has been searching for. And this is why Gen Z, I don't want to say they're like embracing creed, but like one thing in general I see with a lot of Gen Z left and right is they want sincerity.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

They want actual genuine sincerity. And it's like, even if you don't agree with Scott Sappy, if you're not Christian, you know that guy is sincere. Sincere. Well, that guy 100 believes what he.

[Tim Pool]

Says with, with AI video getting crazier and crazier every single day. The new Sora 2 stuff that's coming out is nuts. These. There are a lot of young people growing up online where everyone's faking everything all the time.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Right. And they just want something real.

[Jack Posobiec]

So this is why like, unfortunately this is. And I've talked about this before, but unfortunately. So like in like on the right, that's why you're seeing this huge revival. You're seeing this huge turn towards even like traditional orthodox versions of Christianity. So you know, if I'm going Catholic, I want Latin mass, I want the full thing, extraordinary form Christianity. We're going to Orthodox. You know, if I'm going evangelical, I want like the most Bible based church pastor that I can find. And unfortunately on the left, that pushes you towards violence and the most extreme types of violence. And so this is why you would then. So what's the most extreme type of violence? Is it Marching around and holding placards like millennials would. No, because that's like made for tv. So the technology is different now. So, like, they don't want to do that. Smashing up a Starbucks. Who cares? That's just a Starbucks. Unfortunately, this, these types of pressures and this type of social tendency and social condition will lead you towards murder and assassination.

[Ian Crosland]

Is that because metamodernism can go too far? Like, because like the Punisher, he is kind of a villain, but. Or like Dr. Doom's actually a lovable villain, but, like, isn't it hero? Yeah, it's important to know, like, they were still villainous.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, no, antihero is a different thing. Antihero is a different thing. It's like, it's like you'd like Superman, but then, okay, but Superman also destroys the city, right? That's the postmodernist take on Superman. He destroys the city. And it's like when this one comes in, like, I love Superman.

[Ian Crosland]

There's got to be a thread between the villain, the good guy's actually the bad guy, and then the next step of, I don't care, I'm still going to be him. Because if he's actually the bad guy, you don't want to like really become the bad guy, even if he's like a good guy bad guy.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, you don't. But it's also, it's, it's, it's seeing postmodernism face on and saying it's worth it.

[Ian Crosland]

And the people that are in the postmodernist brainwash don't realize that he was never actually.

[Tim Pool]

Postmodernism is so that midwits can be convinced to do evil.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes. That's, that's so just like pretty much it. And I hate, I hate having, you know, written about this and talked about this. And now, you know, it's like, now I find myself in this situation where like, I'm like living part of it in a sense. Like what happened to Charlie? Because you talk about online culture, you talk about all of these extreme Internet based identities and things and that's. And when you look at, I mean, this guy was, you know, this kid was on the roof, was into like furry porn and was like LARPing and just, just super extreme behavior, but in the opposite direction.

[Tim Pool]

We do have good news. I want to jump to this story from the ap. Democrats wary support may be sliding among typically loyal voters in New Jersey's governor's race. This is big. It appears that Republicans are becoming competitive in New Jersey. And check this out. We have this from Kalsheet, and it does look like bad news at first call. She tweets out breaking. There's a 72% chance Democrats sweep and win all four key elections in November. The first thing I say, shout out to Kalsheet for sponsoring this segment. But beyond that, the New York mayor election will, of course, a Democrat's gonna win that. I mean, it may be.

[Jack Posobiec]

The question is, which Democrat?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Now, where it gets interesting is Virginia governor, 94% chance. We get it. Virginia House of Delegates. We get it. New Jersey governor winner when they Posted this was 78%. Check this out. We pull it up right now, and it's now. Oh, it went back. Wait, it went back to 78. Okay. It popped back up, briefly dipped down. But the trend line is what we're looking at. Republicans are actually making gains in the prediction market, and there's. There's actually a big push now. I think Scott Pressler was talking about this, going to New Jersey and making a big push because it's actually possible the Republican can win the governor race.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. So, and if you pull up, I don't know if Kalshee has a way to incorporate the most recent polls that's, you know, Kalsha, if you're listening, that would be a great, A great data set for you. But there have been, I believe, three polls in a row now separately taken of New Jersey that have the Republican Jack Chiatorelli in with, with either tide or within the margin of error in New Jersey, which is typically considered a solid blue state. But I was doing a little digging on this, and, you know, I'm from the Philadelphia area, so I'm generally familiar with New Jersey. And I remember when Chris Christie won in 2009 as a Republican, that in the 2024 electoral race, New Jersey swung red and swung red in almost every single county of the state. So the movement is there, the candidates are there. Her candidacy is awful. She's the Kamala Harris of New Jersey.

[Tim Pool]

You said that stock video, the Stock Charlemagne.

[Jack Posobiec]

We got to play that video.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, let me pull that one up.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I'll just add this. That. So if you. If you look at the actual mechanics of this race and the conditions on the ground, Red Jersey is possible. Red Jersey is absolutely possible. And then you combine that with just this outpouring that's happened in the wake of Charlie's murder. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. Let's play this class. This is the Democrat.

[Luke Rudkowski]

So when Newsmax claims that you made.

[Jack Posobiec]

$7 million from stock trades.

[Tim Pool]

What are they talking about? Newsmax is, first of all, a very questionable organization that is paying multiple fines. I'm not sure what they're talking about. Did you make 7 million in stock trades at all? I. I haven't. I don't believe I did. But I'd have to go see what, what that was alluding to again, what kind of came from.

[Luke Rudkowski]

So when Newsmax claims that you made.

[Tim Pool]

You know, listen, there's two things I can say.

[Jack Posobiec]

The question, why can't she answer the.

[Tim Pool]

Question, by the way, this is. This.

[Jason Scoop]

Someone's lying. They don't answer the question.

[Tim Pool]

But also, listen, let's set politics aside. If you're not capable of handling the heat, get out of the kitchen. Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

At least. First thing is, like, I don't know, I gotta look. If she really didn't know, she just said that right off the bat.

[Tim Pool]

She knows.

[Jack Posobiec]

This has been all over the media. This is, this is like when you're going, okay, so as a guy who used to work on campaigns, right, you know, you know what your candidate is going to be asked before you go up on a show, especially, like the Breakfast Club, especially a show like that. So you would prep them. If you have a good team, like, this just shows how really bad of a candidate she is, that your team would be sitting around and saying, okay, we know this is out there. We know this is in the media. We know Charlemagne is probably going to bring this up, and here's what we're going to say.

[Tim Pool]

It's an Aleppo moment.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. No, it's Aleppo.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Listen, what is a lot. Whether, whether you're guilty or innocent, you need to be able to respond. And you know they're going to ask.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no, no, it's worse than an Aleppo. It's worse than Aleppo. Because it's, it's. No, because this is a personal thing. This is a personal issue that she was involved in. It has been a huge issue. And I call a celeb on the left, by the way, from aoc, talking about the personal stock trading of congressional insiders.

[Tim Pool]

I want to test Jason's mettle. Okay. I would like for you to impersonate Donald Trump being asked about Aleppo. But the context is you don't know what Aleppo is. How would Trump answer it?

[Jason Scoop]

Well, look, when you look at Aleppo and a lot of people are talking about Aleppo, a lot of very smart people with big, beautiful brains, very respectable people, right? And I can tell you that I've looked into Aleppo and it's a very interesting Thing. Okay, there you go.

[Tim Pool]

But, Mr. President, the question is, what would you do? Excuse me. You're being very rude.

[Jack Posobiec]

You're being very rude.

[Jason Scoop]

Nasty guy. Nasty guy. And.

[Tim Pool]

And then. And then what he would do is he'd say, we got to talk about jobs. We need.

[Jason Scoop]

You know what? Forget Aleppo. What about the Labubus? Have you heard about these dolls? Have you heard about these dolls? A lot more interesting than Aleppo. Aleppo is a little boring, if you want to know the truth. But, yeah, you pivot that.

[Jack Posobiec]

You got to pivot. But, Mr. President, there's so many people dying in Aleppo.

[Jason Scoop]

Yeah, look, look, Jack, this is a nasty world. People are dying all over the place. If you want to know the truth.

[Tim Pool]

This is the brilliance of Trump. He knows how to handle the media. If he's ever asked about something he doesn't know, he'll pivot to something he does. And that was really great. He said, you're being a nasty guy. Yeah.

[Jason Scoop]

He'd say, we'll just completely change, like when?

[Tim Pool]

And he'll go, why won't you talk about immigration? This is what Americans want to talk about. Not Aleppo.

[Jason Scoop]

Or at one of the debates, like, 10 years ago, the guy was like. It was sort of a gotcha question. And he goes, well, somebody came on my show and said this. And he goes, well, first off, nobody watches your show. And then everybody laughs, laughed at the joke and totally forgot about the gotcha question.

[Jack Posobiec]

When my. My. Scott Adams gave this analysis of his famous Rosie o' Donnell answer, which I think really something that, you know, just everybody remembers. You know, he gets this question, you've called women fat pigs, and you've called women this. And he goes, well, you know, only Rosie o'.

[Tim Pool]

Donnell.

[Jack Posobiec]

And the crowd goes nuts, because think of it, before she finishes the question, he has assessed where she's going with this. And he's singled out not just on a target that everyone's gonna think is funny, but think of this. He was supposed. Who was he trying to do at the time burnish his credentials among a Republican primary audience? Because people were saying, oh, is he a Clinton clan? He's not really a conservative. What's this? So he picked a target that he knew would ingratiate himself with his audience that they would love.

[Tim Pool]

And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And, I mean, he did all of that in a fraction of a second.

[Tim Pool]

What you need for this Mickey Cheryl thing is to play up these kinds of elitist gaffes.

[Jack Posobiec]

She sounds terrible, by the way. Where's the charisma?

[Tim Pool]

So there's the two issues here. Is. Is she another crony just using DC to make herself rich? And she really looks guilty when asked this because she didn't even have an excuse prepared. So, again, guilty on the stock thing and incapable of handling harsh political circumstances.

[Jason Scoop]

And her body language is terrible.

[Jack Posobiec]

The body language is awful.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Newsmax is.

[Jack Posobiec]

And by the way, I don't know if they asked her as well. So the other big. She has another big scandal as well. And this is the Navy cheating scandal. So in 1994 at the Navy Academy, there was this huge scandal of cheating, particular on this one engineering course, which. Which is known as. No, I was former Navy officer, but I wasn't academy. But this just. It's so big that everybody knows about it. It's like every time you take a course in the Navy, like, we don't need another 94. It's like that and tail hook are the two things. And she and her husband were all. Were both involved in this thing, and they weren't able to prove, like, that she directly cheated. So they couldn't get her out, but they didn't let her walk at graduation.

[Tim Pool]

Because she was involved. I forgot what it was. So I probably am getting this wrong. But it's something about she would not provide. Like she knew who did.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, see, here's the thing, though, is her records are sealed and she won't release them. So I think that's a talking point that she's like, oh, well, I just wouldn't let them, you know, just wouldn't dime out my. My buddies. And it's like, okay, well, then release the records, Mickey. Just release the records. If there's. If there's nothing to worry about, release the records.

[Tim Pool]

There's. There's one simple phenomenon that we can point to that just breaks down Democrats and Republicans. Bill Maher said he could not book prominent Democrats on his own show. And he votes and supports. Votes for these people and supports them. But conservatives want to come on even though they disagree. When we try booking liberals. Do you know what the first response we usually get is?

[Jack Posobiec]

What?

[Tim Pool]

How much?

[Jack Posobiec]

Seriously?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. And it's either they'll ignore us or they'll say, my fee is X. Do you know what conservatives say when we reach out to them? Doesn't matter. They reach out to us. They won't stop knocking on our door. They say, we want to come and we want to share these ideas because the right is saying, we want to debate this and make the country better.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sometimes we'll even host you in our. Sometimes we'll even host you in our buildings.

[Tim Pool]

They're like, tim, come to Arizona. Like, it's really hard now. We'll figure it out for you. We'll get you here.

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[Tim Pool]

And then Democrats are like, it's gonna cost you this much. I'll only do it for this amount of time. And that, I really think hits the nail on the head of the hammer with why people like this are running for office. It's a means to get rich and put a name in the history books. Whereas the Republicans are like, I wanna help my community. I'm not super classist, I'm not a.

[Ian Crosland]

Marxist, but there's something about this elitist class of people that are mooching off the monetary supply by printing fiat and it sucked into the system, the Democratic Party.

[Jack Posobiec]

If you're a parasitic elitist. Right. Then that's not being, you know, it's not communist to call that out and say, you are not producing anything.

[Ian Crosland]

Right. Like, I don't want to overthrow it. That's what Marx would have done.

[Jack Posobiec]

If you actually have elite, Elon Musk, he has elite talent. Like everyone, like by every definition of the word, he is an elite. Right? But he's not like this. Yeah.

[Jason Scoop]

Also, Maher gave Obama a million dollars. Obama never invited him to the White House.

[Jack Posobiec]

Amazing.

[Tim Pool]

Trump, wow.

[Jason Scoop]

He bashed Trump for years. Trump said, come on over, let's talk.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's right. They had dinner.

[Ian Crosland]

There's this idea that money is what's going to win you the game, the election, the everything.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because that's what it's all about for.

[Ian Crosland]

Them and that's what they have access to. And in the Republican Party, it's about charisma and about like, intelligence. Like, you have to actually do something valuable to get or at least get people's attention.

[Jack Posobiec]

Joe Biden once mentioned that when he first was installed as president in, I guess, 2021, then he was doing this tour of the residents. He mentioned something as one interview that. That has always struck me because. And stayed with me because he said, oh, this is the first time I've seen the residents. I was like, wait a minute. Weren't you the vice president for eight years? So for all of those eight years, Barack Obama never once invited him to, like, the private areas of the White House where the. Where the family lives for, like a cup of coffee or share a dinner or something. That's how bad it was inside the White House for those years. So remember the. Publicly it was the bromance and they're like, jogging together with their little friendship bracelets. It was all fake.

[Ian Crosland]

Dude, do you know that Obama quote, never underestimate Joe's ability to f. Shit up.

[Tim Pool]

Whatever.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. No, it's an actual 100% true. 100 true.

[Jason Scoop]

For a couple of months, he thought the lawn was the private residence.

[Jack Posobiec]

Bedroom.

[Jason Scoop]

Come on, man. He's like peeing on the bush.

[Ian Crosland]

How did that guy. This is a whole other. How did Biden even get selected?

[Tim Pool]

The auto pen. How did the auto pen get selected? No, the auto. Because anyone can press go.

[Ian Crosland]

So, because they wanted someone to go button.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because they wanted someone they could control.

[Ian Crosland]

That was it.

[Jack Posobiec]

They wanted someone they.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Joe always wanted to be president. And they were like, you'll get your chance.

[Ian Crosland]

So Obama was a little too unknown. They didn't know if they could quite control Obama. So they plugged Joe in to make.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sure that I. I really. I mean, for a lot of reasons, I think 2020 was a fluke. I don't think they ever actually expected Joe to be president. I don't think that was ever part of the plan. I think that I. I think it became the universal mail.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, okay.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know what I'm saying? I'm saying, like, in 2019, right? Nobody, you know, prior to judge would stand out. The COVID thing, prior to that operation getting launched, that, you know, everybody thought that, like, because Trump was. If you go back to 2019, Trump was a shoo in for reelection. He was extremely popular. The economy is going really well. And no real big like Gavin Newsom didn't try to challenge him. By the way, unseating a sitting president is almost impossible in American politics. And Trump not only unseat. By the way, when he came back, he not only unseated A sitting president, but he also defeated the vice president, too. So he won twice in the same year, which no one has ever done before. And remember, it was Barack Obama who pulled the plug on Joe Biden after the debate, saying, you know, went around, called the donors and said, joe, you're done.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from the post. Millennial FBI drops ADL partnership in split from Comey's playbook. That era is finished. This FBI formally rejects Comey's policies and any paid partnership with the adl. Okay, first and foremost, Cash didn't know about this until Twitter. Okay, I don't know that for sure, but people started tweeting, hey, look at this old tweet where the FBI has a partnership with the adl. All of a sudden, Cash is like, no way. Shut it down. I don't think Cash actually knew they were doing this.

[Jack Posobiec]

This all started with Paria Abbasi. Got shout out to Paria Abbasi on Twitter, the Great Pericles of Chicago, where he pulled up the fact that Turning Point usa, even in the wake of the insane political murder of Charlie Kirk, was still listed by the ADL as an extremist hate group.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then real quick, did you know.

[Tim Pool]

That almost every single number was considered racist? I am not exaggerating.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It was a meme in the old glossary. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You'd go to the ADL glossary and you type in one. It'd be like, the number one is racist.

[Jack Posobiec]

The number one is racist conversations. The.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, no, no, but I. I understand that they try to shoehorn in weird symbols, but literally saying the numbers 1 through 90 are racist.

[Jack Posobiec]

You're just like, wait, wasn't 311 like. Oh, like. Like 311 was the thing that was. That always made me laugh because it's like, yeah, you're like, like, So I like 311. Whoa.

[Tim Pool]

And you're like, I just. I just like listening to this music, man. Why are you.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so that. That started. But Perry Abbasi, what he did, looking that up, just started this ball rolling. Because he's just posting, right? Literally just posting. And then Elon hits it, and then it starts getting bigger. And then the ADL has to take down their glossary, which happened. We. We broke the news yesterday here on the show, and. And then today, boom. Cashio's. Wait, there's a partnership with. Those numbskulls was training agents.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Luke Rudkowski]

They also have a partnership with YouTube and PayPal. PayPal was deciding it's way more going to be debanked and who was going to have an account based on what the ADL was telling them to do, as they were literally just celebrating the deep platforming of Alex Jones. So this is a censorship type of organization that has bullied organizations and institutions and has clearly violated the First Amendment. There should be federal charges by the federal government against the adl.

[Jason Scoop]

Now, if Cash is the head of the FBI and he just found out about this much, how much is going on behind his back, you know, on a regular basis, deep state type stuff that. That the head.

[Ian Crosland]

98% more probably.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would.

[Ian Crosland]

I would imagine, like, they probably keep the FBI head on a leash. I mean, J. Edgar Hoover was like the guy that had compromat on everybody. And this current administration does not seem to be interested in gaining compromise on people. Or if they do, they don't want.

[Tim Pool]

To talk about it.

[Jason Scoop]

We need another J. Edgar Hoover.

[Ian Crosland]

That was like the Epstein thing. They were like hoovering people with. Ghislaine Maxwell was playing Hoover for her daddy.

[Tim Pool]

I'm getting real close to just re uploading our episode with Joe Rogan and Alex Jones because they claimed that, oh, yeah, we're gonna review these. They're paying Trump 25 million YouTube and they're claiming that they're gonna uncensor all these things. And three years after we did the episode with Rogan, Luke, Alex Jones, Blaire White, Drew Hernandez, Ian. I mean, it was a massive show. They took it down, citing some nebulous medical misinformation. It's still down today, even though they've already announced they'd be reversing this. And I've appealed it over and over and over again, getting real close to being like, I'm just gonna re upload the whole thing. Just re upload straight up. There you go.

[Ian Crosland]

Is it on Rumble already?

[Luke Rudkowski]

It was our biggest show.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Actually, it was the time. Now the episode we did with Darren Beatty is the biggest show we've ever done. I don't know why, Darren. I don't. I don't know why, but we did a show with him. It has like 10 or 11 million views.

[Ian Crosland]

He's got that Midas touch.

[Tim Pool]

He does. Well, you know what I think it was is it was something contextual at the time that we were talking about that was big. And he shared it with his network and then it ended up taking off on Rumble.

[Ian Crosland]

What's the history of the adl, like, who funds it, who started it, and why?

[Luke Rudkowski]

Do you guys know that's anti Semitic, Ian?

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, it is a question Is it off the top of your head, was it an actual Israeli company or was it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't, I don't know about that.

[Ian Crosland]

Is it like secret?

[Jack Posobiec]

It was American. It was, it was, it was started in the south over, over a disputed case involving an individual named Leo Frank who you know, they claim was lynched for anti Semitic purposes.

[Luke Rudkowski]

But he was accused of hurting a 13 year old child.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, that's right. And so the ADL was sort of born in a very similar vein to the SPLC based in the south at that time. It was ADL's earlier and as a way for purportedly for Jews and Jewish groups to be able to defend themselves both legally and in the public sphere. Yeah, he was evicted by a jury of Leo Frank.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Yeah, he was convicted by a jury of forcing himself and taking the life of a 13 year old girl.

[Tim Pool]

Oh my. Yeah, yikes.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Leo Frank.

[Tim Pool]

It's called the Anti Defamation League. But it's funny because liberals like to put anti in front of the things they do. So like I'm anti racist. Let's segregate races. You're like, what? I'm anti fascist. Let's brutally beat people who disagree with us. And then the ADL is like, we're anti defamation. Let's smear and defame tons of people.

[Ian Crosland]

I'm just thinking about that anti communist. Where is he right now? Are you not a communist?

[Tim Pool]

I mean by this logic he's basically saying he's a communist now.

[Jack Posobiec]

I hope you're not.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's the funny thing. It's like let's call ourselves anti. Whatever it is we do. And then people will be like, we're anti fascist.

[Jack Posobiec]

Defamation.

[Ian Crosland]

It's like a lazy sledgehammer, man. It does nothing.

[Jason Scoop]

Now is it like a, like an Al Sharpton type of operation where it's like we'll go after Pepsi and call Pepsi racist unless you donate, you know, 500K Pepsi.

[Jack Posobiec]

It very much became that, yes, Pepsi.

[Tim Pool]

Is very racist unless they give turning point $1 million.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Didn't we are changed $5,000.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I'm sorry, I was trying to pull up my old tweets about this, but the ADL at one point, and this, this is recently that this came up within the last couple of years they had a definition of racism that was ripped straight from critical race theory where they were basically saying that that race the definition. He looked at the definition of racism on the ADL's website. It said a system of privileges that benefit white people.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think so.

[Jack Posobiec]

Basically only white people could be racist.

[Tim Pool]

There was some controversy because it. They had some definition of racism that was woke. That also insulted Jews in some way or something. And.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to pull up, because I remember that too. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Where people are like, hey, doesn't this apply to Israel and Jews? And they.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then, and then they had to do an interim definition of racism, which I just thought was so funny. It's an interim definition. It's like, like, you guys are supposed to be the experts on this. You're training the FBI, you're working with local law enforcement, you've been working with Homeland Security. So what they need to do is all of these groups, the adl, the splc, whatever, you know, little acronym organization they come up with, they need to be shunned, they need to be ostracized, they need to be kicked out of society. It is groups like this that turned that again, put Turning Point USA on their hate maps, put them on the list. This led to the smearing, censorship, canceling ostracization. And by the way, they tried to use state power to take down this organization. The FBI placed this under. Under investigation last year. We're still getting the receipts on that. And then ultimately what. And then ultimately, when all of that failed, somebody took a shot at Charlie Kirk and killed him. And it all has to go. It all has to go away. We have to stop. We have to stop it now.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's going to get worse. I. I'm kind of at my wits and I'm trying to be. Everyone's being very diplomatic. They are trying not to shock or offend. And I'm kind of like, let's remove that veil. I think it's fine to be professional and not antagonistic, but I'm done being overly diplomatic to protect the feelings of other people. I think it's important that we just say what we think about what people are doing. That being said, there are a lot of people that I think are ignoring the scope of this problem. There are a lot of prominent individuals that, you know, to get specific. Dana White, we talked about this this morning.

[Jack Posobiec]

I went. Actually, when you got off the show, I kind of went off in my last segment.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't want to. I don't want to get into it, but it's like people seem to wake up, people seem to wait. And Joe Rogan saying he was, he was shocked, you know, and it's. Guys, it's very urgent, actually. It's urgent.

[Tim Pool]

Luke points.

[Jack Posobiec]

An urgent situation.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Yeah, well, he. During the moment that it happened, he was interviewing Charlie Sheen. And during that moment, he even said himself, like, people are probably going to celebrate this.

[Tim Pool]

So then what is the now saying? I'm shocked that this is happening and.

[Jack Posobiec]

He'S bigger than he thought, I guess. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I will cut him some slack in that I think it's fair. I said I was surprised to see people I knew for decades. I'm not surprised by nurses and teachers doing these things because they've been. These teachers have been giving kids smut and defending it like weird books. I can't even say on the show because try to be family friendly. That's how disgusting it is.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, the teachers are. And teachers colleges are particularly Marxist. All colleges at this point are Marxist, unless one, except for the ones that are explicitly anti Marxist. But the teachers colleges are explicitly Marx. They are basically like Marxist madrasas. And they're creating these domestic terrorist instructors and then sending them out to into the world.

[Tim Pool]

We talked a little bit about this on Charlie's show earlier. I think it's gonna get worse because throwing it at the credit to Wilt Chamberlain, this point is very important. I told him, I won't call for these people to be fired, but I won't defend them. And he said, you're nicer than me. I think they should be fired. A society that tolerates the veneration of assassination is a society that has opened the door to civil war. These people should not be welcome in polite society. I'm paraphrasing for the most part. But I said, you know what? You're right. If we continue to allow people on social media and in the workplace or wherever they are to celebrate assassinations, justify the assassinations, we are going to get more. And I will stress this as much as we have condemned it when. And I don't. Again, I'm not saying this to be disrespectful to Dana White. I'm saying I'm not gonna be super diplomatic, okay? I'm gonna call it like it is and say, dana, you need to pay attention to what's going on. These people have celebrated Luigi Magione, and then Charlie Kirk is killed less than a year later. I don't want any more people to die. And it's particularly terrifying when it comes home. And that's why when I see Dana White say, look, people shouldn't lose their jobs, okay? When these people start celebrating assassins and then they start calling you out because you have defended Trump and helped Trump win, what are we gonna Say, I don't want that to happen to Dana White. I love usc. I think he's a business masterman. I love the work that he's done. I'm a huge fan. We should say to anybody who wants to go online and celebrate murders, political murders for political ends, you're gone. Because we are not gonna create a path towards monetization. Followers, you will not be venerated. You'll be excised.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's fine.

[Tim Pool]

Polite.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, Tim, you know, after we finish, we talked about this last night, and as soon as I got back to my hotel, I. If we finish up the show and I get a. I get a call that said, so over on the post, millennial side, we had Katie Davis. Court was out in the field in Portland, and they say, hey, Katie just got assaulted.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

And at first, it's okay. How is she? Is she all right? Are we in comms with her? And this antifa female had basically taken a flagpole and swung it like a baseball bat and cracked her and almost, literally, almost blew her eye out. And thank God she's gonna get medical and checked out. I haven't seen the actual reports, but it seems like she just got a black eye a couple inches to the left, couple inches north. Could have been a lot worse. And then she was calling and posting videos saying the local police here in Portland won't even arrest her. I chased her down the street. I have all of this on film. They say it's too dangerous for us to go into this antifa safe house that she located. So now then, I'm calling up, like, members of DHS that I know, some of the higher ups. They are members of the administration sending this out, say, guys, we got to do something, so we're using geolocation. Okay. She's, you know, she posted this on this corner. So she's in this vicinity. If it's been this many minutes, she's gone this far. And fortunately, we were able to locate her. She kept working. She kept going. Tim, there's been complete silent. You've talked about. A lot of people talk about, but almost complete silence from conservative media, complete silence from mainstream media. No journalist associations have reached out. Nothing.

[Tim Pool]

I think we need federal law enforcement to stop playing games.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And I mean political games. Why is it the line has been crossed with these terror attacks on ICE facilities? The first one, they had antifa people outside throwing fireworks. When ICE walked outside to say, okay, they're throwing fireworks, someone in the woods unloaded with a rifle. It was a diversion tactic. It Was a plan. And then we get three terror attacks. You are allowed to peaceably assemble in this country. We respect that. That means you can stand outside, hold up your signs, scream all you want, but you can't throw stuff. You can't blow stuff up. You can't physically attack ICE officers or smash windows and attack vehicles. I'm even willing to accept nonviolent civil disobedience, meaning if they sit down and link arms in front of the chain link fence, then they'll come up, they'll get arrested for a disorderly or something, slap on the wrist. All of that's acceptable. But why are we allowing them to physically attack people? And police and the feds are still holding back. Now, with all due respect, I understand they've stepped things up quite a bit, but I'm just saying, the moment you get obstruction, you say you are all going to be arrested. We are not going to create a circumstance where terrorists can continue these attacks. The line has been crossed. I'm not going to play these games where it's like, well, we know there are terror attacks that have happened, but our concern is, no, no, no, no. The left crossed the line three, three times with these terror attacks on ice, let alone the other attacks we've seen and the murder of Charlie Kirk. Circumstance and context matters. When someone comes out and says, but you can't have a protest disrupted by. No, no, no, no, you can. When we have been dealing with where we had 30 to 40 terror attacks this year already, and I mean literal overt shootings, firebombings, some of them murders, we say extenuating circumstances have been created by the left. We don't want to live this way. But there's a reason why we're deploying ice, cbp, and National Guard. If you come out to an ICE facility and you are causing these problems, you will be arrested.

[Jack Posobiec]

I would even go a step further. I would say, you take a look at these networks. They have a safe house in Portland. There's an address. And by the way, to the people say, oh, they don't exist. Well, they have an address. They're not even a group. They have merch. Yeah, exactly.

[Jason Scoop]

Did Trump just sign an executive order about labeling them a terrorist group?

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And he then followed up a few days later, instructing all branches of government under the executive to go after their funding sources and their organization structure, which they have. There are leaders. There's a hierarchy. And I point out even lobsters have hierarchy. The ADL ran cover for them, saying they're a leaderless. Decentralized network. That is not correct. It's fair to say that there are organized factions. They fly the same flag, and they coordinate with each other, but that does not mean leaderless. That's a lie to defend them.

[Ian Crosland]

It seems like the President just one day going, and they're a terrorist organization now. Everyone go get them. That's a little.

[Tim Pool]

That's not what's happening, though.

[Ian Crosland]

Hit the brakes, boy.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, Ian, let me ask you some questions. But I'm glad you asked this, because it is a challenge of our morals and our views that the people need to hear. Was Abraham Lincoln wrong to suspend habeas corpus? No.

[Ian Crosland]

He was also at war because he was at war with another country.

[Tim Pool]

And what do you mean he was at war?

[Ian Crosland]

The south broke into a second country, and they were fighting a conventional war. War. He had to break off.

[Tim Pool]

Who started that war?

[Ian Crosland]

The people that broke up? Well, it depends on who you ask. They think that Abraham Lincoln started it. They call it the War of Northern Aggression.

[Tim Pool]

Who invaded whom?

[Ian Crosland]

The north invaded the South.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, it just depends on how.

[Ian Crosland]

You look at it, but yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And indeed. So the point I'm bringing up is there's arguments over who started the war because the south engaged Fort Sumter even though it was a federal. It was a Union base. So there's a debate over there. There's a question of moral clarity, and that slavery was wrong. So we're happy that it got defeated and slavery was ended. But Abraham Lincoln, at the start of the war, he has. Or actually, to be fair, I'm not gonna say the start of the war, but was it wrong of him to arrest one third of the Maryland legislature, including the governor?

[Ian Crosland]

I believe this is after the Philadelphia riots. Is this why he suspended habeas crimes?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if. It was a Philadelphia riot.

[Ian Crosland]

There was a riot real close to the Capitol. He's like, we need to lock down the area around the Capitol, is what happened.

[Tim Pool]

The point I'm bringing up is you say something very simple, and this is the point I'm making about extenuating circumstances. The president pointed to a group, said their terrorists, go get him. We can't have that. No, no, no. That's not what happened. We are dealing with a decade of precedent where Andy Ngo was nearly murdered in the street. His ears had blood pouring from them. Aaron Danielson was shot and killed by a guy with a BLM tattoo on his neck, two bullets in the chest. Charlie Kirk was just killed by a guy. Allegedly. I should say the assassin. The alleged Assassin espoused ideology in line with these liberal groups. When this is the circumstance within our culture, this is when we say, okay, are we in Lincoln territory now? I'm not saying that Trump should suspend habeas corpus. I'm saying Trump pointing to Antifa. With organized factions, merch leaders engaging in terror, safe houses, illegal apparatus, and three terror attacks on ICE facilities. And we're still holding back. I don't think it is fair to say Trump going, here's a terrorist organization. Get him. Is a correct characterization of what we've witnessed. Because again, I'll stress, it's more like for 10 years, the far left has brutally battered people in the streets, shut down, considered events, killed people, firebombed vehicles, gotten away with it, and only after 10 years, Trump said, I think they're terrorists. I don't think Trump is going hard enough.

[Jack Posobiec]

The. The. The Bella Chow. So, of course, one of the bullets that was used on. On Charlie said Bella Chow. One of the other ones said, hey, fascist catch. Bella Chow, even in addition to being a popular song in his own right, is also the sort of de facto national, international anthem of Antifa.

[Tim Pool]

And let's add that there have been flyers popping up at various universities that said that say, hey, fascist catch. And they are recruiting people to kill conservatives. It is not an exaggeration. I'm not going to play these stupid semantic games that liberals play.

[Ian Crosland]

Well, they're not really doing.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. The bullets that they recovered after Charlie was murdered, one of them said, hey, fascist catch. So what? And they use flyers saying, join our gun club. What they are saying is, do you agree with the message sent when they murdered this man in cold blood?

[Ian Crosland]

My question is, is it the organization that's called antifa, or is it dudes in black bloc? Like, what's the real terrorist?

[Jack Posobiec]

I would actually. So the way that I've kind of broken this down is I've said that antifa itself is an ideology in the way that you would say radical Islam is an ideology. But within that ideology, there are many groups, some of which call themselves Rose City Antifa. Some of them call it use, like the John Brown Gun Club.

[Tim Pool]

I got to push back a little bit. ISIS and Antifa are the same thing. Like, obviously, ISIS is substantially more dangerous, more violent. But within extremist Islam, you have isis. Within extremist leftism, you have antifa. So people fly the flag of Antifa. They organize around its banner. It means something to them. There are organizing principles and there are leaders, much like ISIS, 100%. It's not just an ideology.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm not saying. It's just, I'm like, if you really want to have the discussion, you know, you could say antifa is like the umbrella term. And there are also multiple organizations, Anti racist action, the torch network, rosity, antifa indeed, etc.

[Tim Pool]

But there are principal leaders that control all of it 100%. And this is the lie.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I don't like dig into this, but if you want to ask, like, okay, there's a bunch more you can talk about. But at the end of the day, it's very simple to say Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization. They are a network. They are. They do have centralization. They do. And by the way, the money is how you can find them. The money is how you can track this. When those people know when the National Lawyers Guild, the nlg, goes out and say, oh, well, we know there's gonna be antifa action, so we're gonna be there. How do you know be there? Who told you to be there?

[Tim Pool]

You know, you know who's really great on this one we're booking him to come on Nate Friedman. So guys, follow him on social media, on Instagram, natefreedman. He's been exposing the paid protesters. And this just scratches the surface. I've mentioned this time and time again when. And Luke, you know this. When we were on the ground covering these protests and Luke and I as journalists and people, we would travel the world. We'd go to various countries. We'd be in Germany, we'd be in France, we'd be in Singapore. They were somehow in Turkey. They're somehow. The same protesters we saw in New York were in Germany, in Turkey, we called them the tourists because we're like, it's very strange. This guy, reported to be some local New York guy to protest, is here on the ground in Turkey at the exact same time. Who's paying for this? How are they involved in these protests? And I've seen some of these people in France at direct action meetings, organizing, helping people craft shields by sawing garbage bins in half, watching them spray paint the antifa shield, and they were protesting outside the Bastille. And I'm like, that's pretty crazy that that guy was in Turkey and New York and la and now he's in France.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Yeah, they're far more organized than a lot of people understand them to be organized. And then there's, you know, bigger kind of figureheads like George Soros that of course pour in a lot of the money and that money just Accidentally goes to a lot of these left wing type of organizations that have all this chaos in our society. How coincidental.

[Ian Crosland]

What really concerns me hearing about Katie getting attacked is think I was actually thinking about Andy.

[Jack Posobiec]

No.

[Ian Crosland]

Who was also attacked. And that like Nick Shirley, he showed me a picture of Katie right now.

[Luke Rudkowski]

I mean, I was attacked.

[Ian Crosland]

So what's happening is we have to start treating this like pretty legitimate.

[Tim Pool]

Not a. It's not.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm not saying you've been attacked too.

[Ian Crosland]

I'm not saying.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, literally, it's not a.

[Ian Crosland]

Because I haven't dangled my junk into the combat zone on purpose to get some camera footage. But that's the big part of what's the problem.

[Luke Rudkowski]

You call reporters, go under.

[Ian Crosland]

If you're going to do it, go undercover. Otherwise you're wearing a hunk of meat and a lions. Then Nick Shirley, I love you. Take care of yourself, man. Carlin Borisenko went undercover, do stuff like that. Like, if you, if you want to expose this thing, don't, don't. Pariah, please.

[Jack Posobiec]

But Ian, here's. And I agree with you to an extent because you're right. Like, I don't want something bad to happen to Nick. I don't want something bad happen to Katie. Andy saw what happened to Charlie. And at the same time, we shouldn't have to be in a situation where citizen journalists are going out doing their jobs and unable to do so or independent journalists going out and unable to do their jobs because the streets have been taken over by left wing, extreme, violent forces. Look at the video Nick Shirley from that we played the other night where he's running around and the guy's in his face and okay, they're painting a laser on him with this, with this green dot. All right, fine. But guess what? He could have had a weapon. He could have killed Nick. Yeah, he could have killed him. And now, by the way, the Portland police last night said, oh, well, we can't do anything about this because it's too dangerous. Now they've posted a picture of the girl who assaulted Katie and they're saying, we'd like help from the public to identify this person, arrest him. The public was being assaulted by this person and you stood there and did nothing while the victim was begging for you to arrest her assaulter and that she comes on my show with a giant black eye earlier today. And I'm sitting there and we got to worry about, you know, these men. And I'm sorry, it is the men, you know, who should know better, who should be taking this more urgently that are talking about it. Oh, well, it's a. Both sides thing. We shouldn't have cancel culture. Guys, shut up. Right? We need to step up and get control of this before more people get hurt and die.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the problem. I see. And this is why I was making reference to. Not to single out Dana White, but he did give this interview. There are many people in this space. They are the Trump supporting moderates, I suppose, that are saying, we don't want to do that. We don't want to be like that. You've got these. You've got certain individuals. Like, I think Seth Dillon was on this, this, this, this bent where he was like, we don't engage in cancel culture and all that. And this attitude of we should not have a line will be our downfall. The left has been unrelenting in their censorship and their abuse of power. Let me add this. I just bumped into a CBP agent earlier today, and he showed us photos. And I told him, you should probably go public with this. And he was concerned about getting in trouble. I said, I don't know that the Trump administration is gonna be mad at you if you expose what's going on. The pictures that I saw, I wish I could get for you. Maybe we'll press a little bit further and maybe we can work with him on this one or work with the department with DHS to make sure that these can be done in a proper manner. Photos of storerooms full of resources for illegal immigrants. There's some of the stories that I was told as hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent on their health care. As soon as they walk in, they're like, I'm sick. I need health care. And then we pay for it. We, for too long have. So when I ask, what is Odoo, what comes to mind?

[Jason Scoop]

Well, Odoo is a bit of everything.

[Tim Pool]

Odoo is a suite of business management software that some people say is like fertilizer because of the way it promotes growth. But, you know, some people also say Odoo is like a magic beanstalk because it grows with your company and is also magically affordable. But then again, you could look at Odoo in terms of how its individual software programs are a lot like building blocks. I mean, whatever your business needs, manufacturing, accounting, HR programs, you can build a custom software suite that's perfect for your company. So what is Odoo? Well, I guess Odoo is a bit of everything. Odoo is a fertilizer, magic beanstalk, building blocks for business. Yeah, that's it. Which means that Odoo is exactly what every business needs. Learn more and sign up [e-mail]. that's O-O-O.com. we have. The left has run roughshod. Liberals have just done whatever they've wanted. They opened the border and let in 10 to 20 million people. While we foot the bill for all of those costs, we elected Donald Trump and said we are concerned about immigration. Please, Trump, we want to do this legally and lawfully, which I still believe is the appropriate way to do it. Yet still, even after Charlie Kirk was brutally murdered, there are people who are like, now, now, slow down there, guys. We need to take this one easy. And I'm like, bro, there were four terror attacks in four weeks. I think right now we should be talking about how seriously we need to take this and stop sitting here saying, nah, nah, everything's fine.

[Ian Crosland]

I've been thinking about brutality in general, how the United States really hasn't seen it. We saw in May 7. What is it? May 4, 1970, the National Guard killed four college students. I think about China, Tiananmen Square.

[Jack Posobiec]

Who were attacking them?

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, they were throwing rocks. The kids were throwing rocks at the National Guard, and they opened fire.

[Jack Posobiec]

Four guys.

[Ian Crosland]

Okay, so they were really attacking them.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Ian Crosland]

So in China, Tiananmen Square in 1992. I think it was brutal crackdown. You don't see street violence in China anymore.

[Jack Posobiec]

6-4-89.

[Ian Crosland]

89. So what level of brutality are you guys willing to witness?

[Tim Pool]

Ian, I'm gonna ask you this again because I think it's a good point you're making in that people need to hear this from our moral worldview. Charlie Kirk was murdered in cold blood in front of his family.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, the video was. But his family is not present.

[Tim Pool]

His family was not there.

[Jack Posobiec]

They were not present. Oh, okay.

[Tim Pool]

I. I was. I. I was.

[Jack Posobiec]

I know that that's kind of been out there, but they were not everyone.

[Ian Crosland]

They were conflicting reports also.

[Jack Posobiec]

Therefore, just here to tell you they were. They were not present.

[Tim Pool]

Let's just.

[Jack Posobiec]

Erica came. I think what happened was that. Because, you know, it. Phoenix and Salt Lake City are fairly close in proximity flight time. So Erica got to Salt Lake City very quick, quickly. And I think a lot of people kind of conflated that, but she had actually not been attending an event. And. And the kids in general don't.

[Tim Pool]

Then let me. Then let me walk that back, as it is unnecessary to the greater point when, Ian, you ask, what brutality are we willing to witness? And I'm like none. But the left has not stopped in a decade. So if your attitude is they've killed, they'll kill again. But we don't want brutality, so we're gonna sit back and take it. You are wrong.

[Ian Crosland]

No, I want to know how much brutality you're willing to sit by and watch happen because there's some coming first.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Step to unwind to this. And Jack made this point, and I think Jack made a very good point by saying a lot of the times police officers are complicit in many of these instances for allowing it to happen, but not allowing you to defend yourself. And there are a number of documented cases that I went through personally where people attack me, people steal my stuff, people, you know, assault me. And the police officers, like, good luck, kid. But, but, you know, a right winger does something automatically. They're, they're all on top of them. So at least allow people one, to defend themselves two. And if you're going to enforce the laws, enforce them actually equally, which I think is important. Jason, you were talking about, you know, stuff that happened to you. I don't know if you want to share or open up about what happened to you. I mean, you're a comedian. You make, you make people laugh.

[Jason Scoop]

Exactly what you just said. I was at a anti Trump protest and I come in doing my thing. I have a little bullhorn. I hired a guy to play Elon. This is right after the, the chainsaw thing.

[Jack Posobiec]

Would you think they would like that at an anti.

[Luke Rudkowski]

It would be funny.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jason Scoop]

But well, well, well, it's, it's either or. Because some people think I'm making fun of him. Yeah, but so, but they viciously. They just saw somebody dressed as Trump and they all literally ran after me and the cops were there and then we got kicked out. I mean, my microphone, I got thrown off, you know. Yeah, I had to replace it, but yeah, no, I was hit. I was all sorts of stuff. It was all so fast. But it's. I got it all on camera too.

[Jack Posobiec]

You okay?

[Jason Scoop]

But, yeah, but I was fine. But, but then we got escorted out and zero repercussions for those who attacked Jamie Raskin.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me, let me pull up this video. Sorry. This is in line with what we're talking about. Luke just sent me this. This is a video from Cam Higby. A leftist decided to physically attack me at Union Station tonight. I deployed Mason self defense. It's an important video.

[Ian Crosland]

I want, I want to hear the lights.

[Jack Posobiec]

Stupid.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Back the up.

[Tim Pool]

So this is Cam Higby. He's been going to universities, he's been offering up debates, sitting down in chairs. And this is what they, they, they try to do. It's antagonistic, low grade attacks. Well, he's defending himself.

[Jack Posobiec]

She like on her knees right there.

[Tim Pool]

I'm trying to, pushing into him and trying to grab his hat or the microphone and then he deploys mace. I don't want to see any of this happen. I, I, I don't.

[Jack Posobiec]

Horrible.

[Tim Pool]

But, but the problem is if you, if you watch every time someone like Andy Ngo or Nick Shirley or, you know, literally anybody goes on the ground, they play this game where they know that they're, they're doing enough to disrupt, to lightly damage, but it's hard to get police to do anything about it.

[Luke Rudkowski]

He might get in trouble. Now if the district attorney sees this click. And they're financed by George Soros, they're like, oh no, he used Mace. Why did he use Mace? And there's a big chance and it has happened in places like New York City where people defend themselves. You go to jail, which is insane.

[Jack Posobiec]

So just going to say Jamie Raskin ordered a hit on me at Union Station a couple of weeks ago and I, so I'm going to this pro life gala and I get off the train at Union Station and actually my wife had been there to pick me up and I happen to see that Jamie Raskin is there with like a bunch of union workers. And this is when they were doing the anti doge stuff and I said, oh wow, Jamie Raskin. And it's got a bullhorn. So I walk over and you know, it's Jamie Raskin. So I start, you know, filming and he's going and surrounded by all these union workers and, and Jamie Raskin is going and he's doing his thing and he's, and then he starts saying, and you know something, the people are with us, the American people are with us. They support us, they support, we're doing. And I, and I just sit there and I'm like, well Jamie, if the American people support you, why'd they vote for Donald Trump, you know, if they support you so much? And he's like, what?

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Jack Posobiec]

And then he just like gestures at me. The entire crowd of union workers comes in and just starts beating me. They grab my bag, which, right here, which had my tablet in it, they attack my phone, they do all of this, I've got all this on video. They push me, they're shoving me up the six days from Sunday. And I go over now they get across Capitol Police start screaming at me. Capitol Police start saying, why did you. Why did you start a fight over there? And they said that. And then the union guys went over to Capitol Police and said, hey, can you arrest that guy? He's threatening the congressman.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I said, I have the entire thing on video. I'm more than happy to show this to you. I never made a single threat. I never made a threatening gesture. And then the Capitol Police officer told me that, oh, well, I can see you moving towards him. I said, I'm moving towards him because the crowd is shoving me towards him. After they. After he pointed at me to be assaulted, I made a report about this. Capitol Police has never done anything. And I pointed out exactly who it was. They just let him all walk away.

[Tim Pool]

I just. You know, look, I can respect and appreciate a lot of the moves that the executive branch is making, but that's actually legislative. As an aside, too, I'm wondering, like, with this Alex Jones thing, like, why isn't there any kind of intervention at the federal level of what, a clear. A clear violation of his rights, I guess.

[Jack Posobiec]

You at the company?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Like, come on. I mean, it's a bit egregious and insane over defamation to completely destroy a company 10 years later. Not gonna defend what he said, but it's. It's. It's ridiculous the lengths they went to destroy infowars. And I'm saying. Okay, look, is perhaps like a Harmeet Dhillon angle on civil rights being violated here or something with the courts in the state that they could stop this?

[Ian Crosland]

We should pull up the story. If we haven't yet. I don't think we pulled it up on the show yet.

[Tim Pool]

But Alex Jones is shutting down.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, he just mentioned that. The court said today they're taking him down.

[Jack Posobiec]

I haven't seen the latest.

[Tim Pool]

To be fair, the challenge on this one is, and with all due respect to Alex, is we've heard this quite a bit, at least three times. Yeah, yeah. So we've heard quite a bit. The judge has ordered the shutdown, and we've covered it. And then there's a stay of some sort of. So we have another one of these stories where he's saying, federal judge greenlights the shutdown, something, may intervene. But isn't there something to be done now with winning the election where we have the doj, the Civil Rights division, that we can start countering these things? Yes, I do get that there's finite bandwidth, but we need now more than ever to see, like, Jack, why. Why did they let those Guys attack you. I mean, we know what these people are doing, right?

[Jack Posobiec]

And someone, someone who's got a spoiler. And I posted the video and, and again, you know, Capitol Police never even reach out to me afterwards. I did have some, Some good communication with the speaker's office afterwards where, where I discussed it and they, they looked into it, but couldn't even get a sit down.

[Tim Pool]

They couldn't even get rid of. Pull Ilhan Omar off of her. Her committee.

[Ian Crosland]

It feels like I've been reading about the, like the fascists of the 1920s.

[Jack Posobiec]

People don't get what time we're in.

[Ian Crosland]

And the craziness of mobs. Like how a mob can just do some horrible thing to another human and then it's over. And then like, what? Then there's the mob standing around and did the mob disperses and like, just don't be that guy that enraged the mob.

[Tim Pool]

I want you to imagine that you're standing on the gallows in front of a sea of 1000 liberals and the executioner is walking up to the noose and they say, plead your case to the people. Do you believe that there is anything you could say in any infinite amount of time that would make them say this man should be allowed to live and be free to go?

[Jason Scoop]

Nope.

[Ian Crosland]

Technically. But I doubt I'd come up with it.

[Tim Pool]

That's actually a decent answer. I mean, in the grand scheme of the universe, you could probably figure out something, but in all reality, it's 99.99%. They don't know. They don't care. They're gonna scream, burn the witch. They're gonna scream, boo.

[Ian Crosland]

Don't be the rich the witch.

[Tim Pool]

Don't be the rich. Robespierre. It's France. They did not know or care. They set off with their heads.

[Ian Crosland]

And I sense bloodthirst in these mobs sometimes. I don't know when you tell me that you were yelling. Well, you didn't yell when you yell at Raskin with a big crowd. Or do you. Would you do it again?

[Jack Posobiec]

Of course I do it again.

[Tim Pool]

In a heartbeat.

[Ian Crosland]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

Why?

[Jack Posobiec]

Because. Because this is the United States of America and I'm allowed to have freedom of speech. And if this guy is going to be some leader who, by the way, threw Steve Bannon in jail, threw Jamie, or through Jamie Raskin, threw Peter Navarro in jail over a complete lie, over January 6th, and I can't even go up and confront him in public without having a union mob of his thugs attack me. Then. Then you know what? Then I am going to do that. And we're going to continue to do that because if we cower, then they win.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, well, you don't have to be cowardly.

[Jack Posobiec]

By the way. And turning and turning Point usa, by the way, is going to continue doing events. And yes, to your point, we are going to continue being tactical. And look, sometimes it takes those tactics to be able to force a conversation. And look, I did not expect a sitting member of Congress to do that, but that is how blatantly untouchable these people feel they are. And you know what? We're letting them, we are the ones letting them be untouchable.

[Tim Pool]

It's like that video with Cam where these, these liberals assault people and get away with it all the time. This only stops when police start just arresting them, when feds go arresting them. So long as these cities keep saying liberals are allowed to do it. There's only, there's, you know. You know what I heard, Jack? I heard that there's a lot of people from Washington moving to Arizona.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean there's a lot. The left coast coming in.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Why are they leaving? Could it be that Portland is a, is a war zone? The businesses are shut down.

[Jack Posobiec]

Was it you said Washington?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right. Well, I just mean Pacific Northwest. Yeah. On the left coast. And so you've got. Seattle is a disaster. Portland is a disaster. So people are fleeing. The end result of this is obvious. The politically appointed police and politicians that get elected in these places are not going to change the way they handle things. More and more regular people will flee the anarcho tyranny and you will get geographic bifurcation. What does that result in?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I mean, it depends. You know, you've got. I get what you're going for, but it results in, results in massive schisms in the United States, particular on flash button issues. One of which would be because it's because of the Dobbs decision is now a states rights issue is abortion. So you know, you're going to get a situation where, where certain states are going to have wildly different laws from other states. But you're also going to, but here's the key difference. You're going to have a group of people who says those states aren't allowed to have those law.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's, let's, let's do some math real quick. Some political math. California has banned federal agents from any law enforcement from wearing masks, which is targeting ice. The DHS has instructed their agents to continue wearing their masks.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. They have no ability to instruct.

[Tim Pool]

So will Gavin Newsom enforce his own laws.

[Jack Posobiec]

So have his police go up against or like state troopers, I suppose state troopers.

[Tim Pool]

Are they going to enforce the mask law against federal law? He's not going to do it.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I don't think he's gonna do it.

[Tim Pool]

What if he does?

[Jack Posobiec]

What if he did? Then, yes, you would absolutely get into a standoff of state and federal authority where you could have a clash.

[Tim Pool]

So we. So the question right now is hypothetically.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't think it would.

[Tim Pool]

But hypothetically, the question is, will Gavin Newsom seek to enforce this law? Because. And everyone wants to say no, I'm fine with the assumption that it won't, but I'm also concerned about normalcy bias and optimism bias. Gavin Newsom wants to win the presidency, has already stated he fears there won't be an election, and he's gonna do what the people in California tell him to do. And they are going to say, ICE is kidnapping people. They are black bagging my neighbors. Newsom do something and he's gonna be like, this is my path to victory. That's why they have the law in the first place. I believe there's actually a decent probability he does try to enforce this. Now, the real risk is, I think the likely path of enforcement if he does this takes effect 1-1-26 is through. I believe they say that it's a civil fine, it's a misdemeanor that results in a civil penalty for these law enforcement officers. These ICE officers live in California and they work for the federalized facilities in that state. I think the state's going to go after their homes, their resources, their assets, and they're going to put the pressure on the ICE agents of if you obey Trump, we will take your life from you. We'll put your family at risk financially and through resource. It's not going to be so obvious and easy as they're gonna try and have you arrested, which creates bad optics. It's literally gonna be a sheriff comes to the guy's house and says, look, we've got an order for, you know, we're taking your house. You owe the state $37,000 that you haven't paid, so we're seizing your assets. It's not going to be an overtly political issue. It's gonna be the story of a guy who owes money to the state for some reason. This is the conflict that results in federal agents saying, we can't do this job anymore. There is going to be a muddy conflict between the state and the federal government. We've Already seen one of the more terrifying things of Gavin Newsom asserting authority over the National Guard, Trump asserting his authority, it going to the courts. It's bouncing back and forth. Now Oregon is doing the same thing, suing the federal government over whether or not Trump has the actual authority to command the National Guard. What happens when the constituents of California or Oregon demand of their governors stop listening to Trump? What he's doing is illegal. They've already asserted it's illegal. They believe it's illegal. They're going to say Trump packed the courts. You know what, let's go to why I think the Jedi are the bad guys. And I mean somewhat jokingly, but the line in Revenge of the Sith when Anakin says we can't kill the emperor, which put him on trial, and he says he controls the courts, he controls the sun, he must be stopped. Now, that line of thinking, these people think that they are the fictional heroes who are saying Trump controls the courts, he controls the Supreme Court. He's it's corrupt and illegal what they're doing. They must be stopped.

[Jack Posobiec]

I the only, I just want to preface my response to this by saying the prequels are not canon. There are three Star wars movies and there's a whole bunch of fan fiction. So beyond that, except for the EU, which is canon, shout out to all my base Star Wars EU enjoyers. But that's exactly right. So what you're saying is, is and, but take it back a second because, Tim, you and I were talking earlier. Why do they have this fervor? It's theological. It is a sort of anti religion, if you will, where they have the theological fervor that they where conservatives typically do not. A conservative will say, I don't want to be too conservative. Leftists will never say that. Leftists will say, guys, whoa, we don't want to go too far here, getting too many people fired. We're canceling too many celebrities. They never say that. They never say that at all. They only get stopped by the ballot box or by market share or something like that. They never, ever stop because they have the courage of their convictions. They actually do, by the way. And that's something that a lot of conservatives lack. And you know why? And Charlie Kerr will tell you why? Because he did a video before he died where he said the reason that so many Republicans and conservatives are terrified of going on offense is because they see what happens because of people like Jamie Raskin and they see what happens to a Steve Bannon or a Jack Posobic who gets this you know, union thug after him in the same spot where Cam Higby's at right now. Or a Peter Navarro gets sent to jail or Donald Trump getting almost shot at or now. And you could, you could even add a piece in you know where. And I'm not going to edit Charlie's video, but I was like, wow, you could even edit that video and have someone just maybe like, like a scrolling text, right? And have it say, you know, three weeks after this video was taken, Charlie Kirk was shot dead on campus.

[Ian Crosland]

I think you are right about people. There's a chilling effect about the individuals standing up to power and getting arrested or their lawyers getting arrested. And people are like a lot of people are very happy that the government seems to be doing it in the harshest way possible, as fast as possible because they feel powerless. They feel like if they did try it they would just get arrested or in four years they'd get arrested. And I don't know that relying on the government to solve the problem is the answer.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, Ian, here's the thing, right? You just mentioned Mussolini. So when the government doesn't step up and protect your people, when the government collapses, when the government shows itself to be ineffective, people start seeking other means.

[Ian Crosland]

With Mussolini, they basically Italy destroyed itself in World War I. They killed all their men trying to kill take the Isonzo river to the east. So they were erect monarchy and they, they, the fascists marched on the capitol. They took like 500,000 men.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's what I mean, that, that monarchy, right, that monarchy was a gov was seen as a government in collapse and it was seen as an illegitimate government.

[Ian Crosland]

And the government didn't want to any bloodshed. They were like just let him have the country. The king was like just, just to have. I'm going to advocate if you don't give him the country that when people.

[Jack Posobiec]

Don'T get relief from the violence from government not failing to do its job, then they will start seeking other means.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. The question is confidence. Why. Why is someone willing to accept a dollar bill for a good or service is because there's confidence that they will be able to exchange that later for something they needed. I see a dollar and I say I want that. Why I can go buy a candy bar with it. Luke says okay, well I want you to, you know, clean the floors. And I say, oh great, I'll get a dollar for this. Same thing is true for government. Government only exists through confidence. And it's the fear of the monopoly on violence that largely keeps people in line. It Wasn't always that way. It wasn't supposed to be that way. But the point that I've made over the past several years is the thought experiment is to imagine you're at home, Jack, and you hear your doorbell ring. Maybe you got a ring, doorbell, whatever. And you walk up and you look outside and there's a clown, a literal clown in a full clown outfit.

[Jack Posobiec]

And you go, I didn't order the clown today. He was supposed to come tomorrow.

[Tim Pool]

You go, can I help you? And he goes, clown police, open up, I have a warrant. And you go, huh? I'm not opening my door for you. I have a warrant. And he holds it up. Then three clowns come up behind him with vests on and they're like, open your door, clown police. What would you'd be like, what is going on? Clowns are not coming in my house. The reason I say something so ridiculous is that when we get to the point where a police officer of any law enforcement, of any faction is not recognized by the individual in their home, they will behave as though a clown showed up on their doorstep and their warrant is as meaningful as a clown warrant. That's what happens when there's no confidence in government, meaning if a clown shows up, I have no confidence they can enforce anything, nor do they have any authority. I have no fear of any retribution or reprisal if I defend myself from clowns trying to break into my house. But if a cop says, got a warrant is coming in your house, you know, and all you can do is comply. So we had like, the force is.

[Ian Crosland]

The government, and then we just have different people in charge. When Biden was in charge, they arrested all those people for Jan6. It felt like people were getting the raw end of the deal that they weren't being protected for these four years. Before that, it never really happened. And after that, well, I mean, whatever you want to think about today, different people tell you different things. But that lack of confidence only seemed to have built over that four year period. So I don't think it's so lost that it's been like 20 years of hopelessness that the government.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I think there's a chance right now, right now, and that chance really cannot be squandered because if they don't get it right, they will. And so, you know, you mentioned talking about clown police. So, you know, and Luke, you know this as well, you know, having grown up in Eastern Europe, Tanya, my wife, growing up in the collapse of the Soviet Union and would tell you that, you know, and We've talked about it. There's a whole TV show about it that just came out and we were, we were talking and it's like the police. So what ends up happening is that you get gangs and gangs and criminals really rise up and some gangs might control a whole city, but other gangs, it's typically like a street or a neighborhood or a couple of streets or something. They're always beefing and then the police just become. They're sort of like another gang. And so because there's so much violence and so many reprisals and no authority to stop any of it, that if you don't join the gang, I mean, you're fair game basically. And so everyone is forced into these situations because your entire government, your entire society is collapsing all around you.

[Ian Crosland]

This is why I ask what level of brutality you're willing to allow to create order. I mean, there's going to be some evil done to create some order because our country's been floundering in this state of chaos. It can't happen. If China has a more ordered country than we do, then it's going to show the world that they have a better system than we do and we're all going communist if that happens.

[Tim Pool]

Define better.

[Ian Crosland]

Less violence on the street, a more ordered system.

[Tim Pool]

At what cost?

[Ian Crosland]

Of course, at what cost? But if you look on the street, people aren't scream. We don't see antifa rioting on the.

[Tim Pool]

Streets of China right now and always has been.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, because the antifa took over China.

[Tim Pool]

As I stated earlier, if everybody in this country had the same moral worldview as Charlie Kirk, you'd need no police, not a single law enforcement officer.

[Ian Crosland]

That is true, obviously, but it's impossible. We always be an impossibility to have that kind of uniformity.

[Tim Pool]

Except in the early days of this country, we didn't have police forces, just militias. Well, it was just the local guys and the militia was just the local guys who had weapons. And the police, I think police came into being in the 18th century.

[Ian Crosland]

They started to emerge and now we've got Internet videos. So when there's a riot in Portland, the the federal government knows within three minutes and they can get federal troops there within an hour. But 10, 30 years ago, they wouldn't even hear about the riot until the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Next day or so.

[Tim Pool]

Today is requiring rapid written laws is a horrible sign for your civilization. The fact that we have to write down what people should not do. Like you ever see a sign and you're like that sign is there because someone did it like imagine a sign on the wall here and it said don't take a dump on the floor.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I got a couple of those in the Navy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you'd be like, that means someone did it and had to remind everybody. It's becoming a problem. We have to write this down.

[Ian Crosland]

Another thing was they use the word permitted. I'm like, well, why would you have to tell me I'm allowed to do everything? Why would you have to make a sign that says I'm permitted to do everything? Basically, I'm a sovereign animal, human that can do anything I want. I was like six, looking at a sign that said smoking permitted. And I'm like, why would you even obviously, you know, tell me when it's not allowed, don't tell me when I'm allowed to do and assume that I can.

[Tim Pool]

When you're infringing upon someone else, it's.

[Ian Crosland]

Just a weird way to put a sign. And here you can do it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, like, duh, I look at it, I look at, I look at it like, you know, like the like three states of matter in terms of population density. You have a sphere around you that grants, that affords you certain abilities. And that is. If you're in the middle of nowhere, your freedom range is massive. You can shoot a gun, you can shoot a gun on a 2000 meter range if you have this space around you where you're not going to cause problems, infringe upon people. Then you move into the suburbs and now your range has dropped substantially down to maybe only like 30 or 40ft. You can't shoot a gun in suburbs unless there's a dedicated range area. Then in cities you have no freedom range. You are all tightly packed in concrete boxes in a big block that smells like sour milk. And you can't even play the drums. You can't play your guitar too loud because you'd start offending. Like you start encroaching on other people and their levels of comfort. And so we, the rules get tighter and tighter and tighter the closer we live together. What we have in cities is you basically have limited freedom, if any. They don't let you do anything. Live in the country, you can do whatever you want.

[Jack Posobiec]

But, but however, and I would just add to that, that cities also afford you the ability, they afford you a lot of benefits from living, living in a city as well. So there's the communities of living in the city, there's the communicative ability of living in the city. There's the ability to, you have culture, you have economy, you have society.

[Tim Pool]

This becomes storm right at the bottom of your building.

[Jack Posobiec]

The city. Right. So it is the convenience, the accessibility, the speed of our society. Civilization itself comes from the cities. This is my urban right thing that I've been working on where that we wouldn't have any of the things that we have today if we. And there are trade offs, to be sure. And what you're describing is these trade offs and are these trade offs. But without those, you don't get the advances and you don't get the social society and civic society that we have today. And early on in America, I mean, it was, it was like frontier.

[Tim Pool]

My point is, Ian, if you want to smoke wherever you want, get a boat, go out to the middle of the ocean where you'll bother nobody.

[Ian Crosland]

So it was a tangent. The reason I'm bringing up like laws and just brutality in general and order and how to produce order through making evil. You don't always have to do evil to make order, but sometimes it works is that Trump just called all the generals, Pete Hegseth, and he were talking to all the generals and Trump said, hey, maybe we're gonna. He didn't say maybe. He said, we're gonna practice. You guys can practice in Chicago. Like telling the military, you're gonna go into Chicago and practice and get ready. I believe it's Chicago, Chicago or Portland and Chicago. Chicago. So he told the troops, you're gonna practice your job, which is killing people.

[Tim Pool]

That's not correct.

[Ian Crosland]

Well, the military's main job is destroying the enemy in Chicago. You're gonna practice that.

[Tim Pool]

I challenge that notion quite a bit.

[Ian Crosland]

Destroying people, infrastructure.

[Tim Pool]

Infrastructure does a lot more than destruction. But it is fair to say that they should be effective killing machines. I think they use force. They use force, but. And I would argue that it's fair. The military does a lot in terms of domestic support, border support, security. It's not about detecting, destroying the enemy. Yes, but I don't like that neoliberal, like that liberal economic order worldview of sending our troops overseas to destroy enemies unseen to the American people. And I don't think it's fair to characterize the military as killing machines or destructive forces when they're trying to protect their home.

[Ian Crosland]

The best thing you could do is turn your enemy into your friend. The military's job really isn't that, though. That's like the President and the diplomacy aspect of the governments. The military's job is if diplomacy breaks down, they do what they do. And to send to say, go into Chicago and train that Is like, what kind of brutality is he anticipating?

[Jack Posobiec]

Sorry, no, I was going to say, I do, I get what you're saying. I get what he's saying. And I could sit here and talk about, yes, the military has humanitarian assistance and disaster relief authorities, infrastructure, National Guard, but I get what you're saying. You're saying that the point of a standing, the main and primary point of having a standing army is their ability to wage war, right? Is the War Department, right? And my God, I would, I don't want to live in a society where we have to talk about sending the military into Chicago. I don't want to live in a society or, or Philly or Baltimore or New York or all of these. I don't want any of this. Right. And, but, but we are forced to because the situation has gotten so bad and we can talk about the great migration and we could talk about all these things that have happened that have gotten us to this point, but we are facing them and we are facing them right now. And I've always said this is, it's funny to me mention that because I always say, like, this is kind of the difference between, you know, your rural conservative and your urban right. Whereas, like the rural conservative, and we know that guy, like, we love that guy, right? He's, he's the, you know, he has a pickup truck, he's got a bunch of long guns in there, he's got all that freedom and he's fighting to conserve that. Whereas the urban right, you know, has already sort of lived with all of these trade offs their whole life. And so they are fighting for their home that was stolen from them in so many of these cases. And you've seen it in all the great cities of America. And they're in some cases actually quite more reactionary and more radicalized because they've seen it happen before their eyes.

[Tim Pool]

So the issue is, Ian. Well, to finalize that point I was making about the military, when we send National Guard to places, they're not just killing people. The military does a lot in support of the interest of the United States beyond just combat is my principal point. If we were to deploy military to the streets of Chicago or like we did in la, they're not shooting and killing anybody. That's not at all what they were doing. So I guess, ultimately, however, the question is for you, Ian, would you rather get shot by a gang banger for literally no reason, just because you're a white guy in the wrong neighborhood or have some National Guards with on the corner wave at you as you walk past National Guard, the reality, you know, for me, I know what it's like to walk past National Guard. I was in Ferguson during the riots. They had National Guard stationed like, like two blocks down. We walked over, let's go check out the National Guard walked up, hey guys, how's it going? They were like, it's going pretty good. How about yourselves? And we were like, what are you guys doing here? And they're like, we're here in case things get God, you know, we've been asked to do this.

[Jack Posobiec]

You've seen him in D.C. now.

[Tim Pool]

Super chill. I haven't, I haven't actually interacted or.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh no, it's the same thing. I've seen him, but same exact thing.

[Tim Pool]

So I grew up in Chicago. I walk down the street, my buddy, I get mugged, I get a guy threatens to stab me. These are common occurrence. I got shot at for no reason. And so you ask someone like me, like, hey, the Democrats have controlled Chicago for 100 years. They've never dealt with this problem. If you were to ask me, I'd say, why don't they request help from federal law enforcement to just end all of the gangsters? You know, Chicago could write a single letter to Trump, Trump and gangs in Chicago, and he'd say, done. And I'm willing to bet in a couple of months there'd be no more gangs in Chicago.

[Ian Crosland]

But is that cuz they would lay waste to like 30,000 people?

[Tim Pool]

No, because they'd literally stand in street.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Corners and go, hey, they lay waste to themselves.

[Jason Scoop]

They're playing politics.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Yeah. Jason, how would Trump respond to Ian?

[Jason Scoop]

Well, Ian, a little hippie, like, right, A little hippie. Okay, I have hippie friends, right? Baron hung out with one once and that was just one time. Okay, but look, we need toughness and we need strength, okay?

[Tim Pool]

You know it.

[Ian Crosland]

I do know it. I believe that it's true, actually. I think that if we don't make a show of force, that it.

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[Ian Crosland]

The creep will continue.

[Tim Pool]

Why? Yes, why won't Chicago in over 100 years request federal assistance to end gang violence?

[Ian Crosland]

They probably think that the Marines would come in and kill a thousand people or something.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, because they're in on it.

[Tim Pool]

That's ridiculous.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because they're in on it.

[Ian Crosland]

Maybe they're.

[Tim Pool]

It's because they're in on it. It's because they use these issues to get elected. They create uniparty control of the city for 100 years and they don't want to clean it up because it's useful to them.

[Ian Crosland]

And also if Trump, Trump could go.

[Tim Pool]

In and it's very, very simple. How do you stop gang violence in Chicago? National Guard stands on a street corner.

[Ian Crosland]

But then they'd have to leave eventually.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then the gangs would just come back.

[Tim Pool]

No they wouldn't. You know what Chicago did? Chicago bulldozed the homes in the black neighborhoods and just scattered the gangs into different suburbs and said no more gangs in Chicago cuz they're in Jolietta.

[Ian Crosland]

Don't you think gangs is just a.

[Tim Pool]

Phenomenon of big cities gangs, a phenomenon of no law enforcement. So a good example is the favelas in Brazil. When the World cup was coming to Brazil, the government decided to do what they called pacification of the favelas because there was no law enforcement. The de facto government was the gangs in these areas. In Chicago, police will not go because they're like eh, gangs run that. So they don't go there, they don't deal with it. And if they do, they're like, you got to be real careful when you go in these neighborhoods. Chicago cops themselves are deeply corrupt and have been for a very long time operating allegedly black side. So we had that one cop, I always forget his name, who was electrocuting people into false confessions. The city has been mafia Democrat gang control for 100 years. There's another reason why I'm not a default. Cops are always good no matter what. Cause I grew up in Chicago. If Trump, Trump wanted to, and there's political challenges to this, he could end all the gangs in Chicago. It would not be violence, it would not be shootouts. There's actually some gangs that'll be very grateful that he does it. The government of Illinois Pritzker could say, why do we have 800 deaths per year in Chicago from gun violence? Well, clearly our law enforcement can't handle it. Mr. President, can you assist us? Trump would say, we'll have this taken care of in a few months. Gun violence will be over. In fact, like you mentioned, with DC Crime dropped immediately just because they're walking around.

[Jack Posobiec]

Bukele proved the answer. Bukele ended the argument. Bukele ended the argument completely. He completely debunked 50 or 100 years of Democrat liberal professors and academics and academia and all the rest of it. Who said, oh, well, the socioeconomic factors that. No, no, no, the worst of the worst. You put them behind bars.

[Ian Crosland]

How brutal was that? Because it wasn't televised. Really.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do you know much about. It was mainly mass arrests. The main, the vast bulk of it was mass arrests of people with like.

[Tim Pool]

Gang tattoos, known gang affiliations.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, and cartel, too. Like worse than just gang.

[Tim Pool]

There are legitimate and absolute concern about innocent people getting, getting wrapped up in these things or former gang members who have abandoned that lifestyle, but they still have the tattoos and things like that. I respect those concerns. The challenge always is we are not looking at a one for one. It is not so simple to say today's circumstance are the same as 30 years ago. 30 years ago, maybe. Well, actually, Chicago's had the problem for 100 years, so it need to be cleaned up. But it's one thing 10 years ago to be like, well, we don't want cops going around and arrest everybody. We need to make sure forces. Okay, well, they, they shot and killed Charlie Kirk. They killed Aaron Danielson. There have been numerous terror attacks on ice. We've had 30 plus this year. There is a time when you're going, here's the example I give. Don't take your garden hose and spray down your, your, your living room floor. Right. Why would you ever do that, Ian? Is there any reason crazy to do something? Is there any reason you'd ever grab your garden hose?

[Jack Posobiec]

What if your floor is on fire?

[Tim Pool]

If your floor's on fire.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

Or you want like wash the pee off or something.

[Tim Pool]

The water damage will be pretty bad, but the fire damage is worse. And I don't want to live in a burning home, but sometimes you spray your house down with water.

[Jack Posobiec]

Hey, man.

[Ian Crosland]

And I'll up your ante here. I'm going to raise your bet because also there's a global insurgency inside the United States right now. The world does not like free speech. It's an aberration to the Function of the planet. Property rights don't make a lot of sense to most of the planet. So they would love to see this country fall over and adopt communist technocracy. And we have to stop that and then redirect the course.

[Tim Pool]

We have to protect what this country is and meant to be and go to super chats. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone. You know we are, we are doing the uncensored shows this week just because logistics is very difficult to pull off. But we are going to read your super chats now. So again, smash the like button, share everything always. Let's see what we got. Elite 02k says best case scenario, Netflix complete degaze the service. Worst case scenario, they half the price of the service and somewhat degay the service. Win win situation to be honest. Well if they lose all their conservative customers, they're going to double up the game. That's why it's a Chinese finger trap problem as conservatives boycott Netflix goes. Okay, well look, we've invested heavily in these programs. Conservatives are leaving to win them back we have to lose X amount of dollars. Why don't we just try and increase the price on the liberals and go activists around out so you never know which way it's going to go.

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Tim Pool]

All right, we got Dank. Prometheus as pope came out as pro choice. Is that, is that true?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no, that's not true. But he there the Pope was embroiled in this controversy regarding Senator Dick Durbin who funny enough actually would have been his senator if he still lived in Chicago because he's senator for Illinois, where Dick Durbin was going to receive an acknowledgment, the sort of like you know, proclamation from a local, local diocese, the Archdiocese of Chicago. And they asked the Pope about it and he basically said well, even though he's a huge abortion supporter, should we do this? And he said well I think we have to look at the totality of what he stands for and I wouldn't necessarily be against it and have to look at all that. And so even though the Pope basically kind of absolved him of his pro abortion stance. Durbin actually did step down and, you know, is not going to be going forward with this celebration.

[Tim Pool]

Interesting. All right, we got Scribbly Berry says Luke again. Is it that guy in a list for going to a certain island?

[Jack Posobiec]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

I love when I introduce Luke to people and they're like, oh, nice to meet you all back. He's been Epstein Island.

[Luke Rudkowski]

And I'm like, I wasn't invited. Like, they didn't ask me to go.

[Jack Posobiec]

So we have to, we have to find out where the new island is to figure out where Bad Bunny went to. So I have to check the travel.

[Ian Crosland]

Do you think that Trump was an informant for the FBI and that's why they won't release it?

[Luke Rudkowski]

No, but Trump did help out some of the victims.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I think that was a mistake.

[Luke Rudkowski]

And nine. But the whole situation now him calling it a hoax is super weird.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's see. We got Leo Wolf, the Red. He says we need the GOP to win in New Mexico too. Dems have ruined my state and preventing oil and gas development. Not to mention MLG banning 2A in Bernalillo County. New Mexico is Concord, New Mexico.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, there's like. I love Santa Fe. I think Santa Fe is gorgeous. I think it's beautiful. It's actually America's either oldest or one of its oldest cities. I think it's a great town. I've been there a bunch of times and I'm just huge, huge fan. My old blog used to have a connection to Santa Fe before I was in politics. And I love Meow Wolf. I love going to the Jacques Cousteau Theater.

[Tim Pool]

There's.

[Jack Posobiec]

And it's just really sad. Really, really sad.

[Ian Crosland]

Let's say New Mexico is being held. It's only conquered if the war ends and it's ceded.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's occupied. Yeah, but we can, we can, we can win it back. We can. By the way, all of these things can be done with willpower. We can, we can. We could flip California red. We could fix. We could fix New Mexico. We could flip New Jersey red. And by the way, we're going to. In four weeks, we are going to flip New Jersey red. All it takes is willpower.

[Tim Pool]

I think the polls don't matter as much what the bigger question I have is how much work has ice done in the district.

[Jack Posobiec]

Maybe ice should go out there on, what is it, November 5th? Maybe we should make sure that ice is out there. I'm saying I'm sure the voters and.

[Tim Pool]

The criminals Let that happen. All right, here's a good one.

[Jack Posobiec]

To make sure that no illegals are voting because obviously that's illegal. Right? So indeed, we're just going to make sure we're forcing the law in New Jersey on election day.

[Tim Pool]

All right, here's a good one. Mike Ross says, I just came up with a theory. Does changing the name of the Department of Defense to Department of War potentially cancel contract with NGOs or other third party activist agencies? I tell you, the answer is no. But could you imagine, like Hagseth and Trump, they're like, we got all this debt. How do we get out of it? I know. Just change your name.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's try it anyway.

[Tim Pool]

Let's try it. That's not me. That's not me. All right, Atlantis. Lyons says the fact that Jimmy Kimmel got his show back is the definition of nothing ever happens. I'm with Mary Morgan on that. We are all Charlie.

[Jack Posobiec]

Amen.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I think the last part proves that things happen and sometimes it's terrifying and not good. All right, unisoul says Captain America. Is the story based off Audie Murphy. Well, I mean, maybe there's inspiration there. Obviously you know the story of Audie Murphy.

[Jack Posobiec]

I do. And single handedly young man from Tennessee. There's a great Sabaton song about him.

[Tim Pool]

Oh yeah, let's see. Text ray says Tom McDonald halftime show. Okay. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

I gotta tell you, I've gotten a lot and you know, I can't get into like any of the conversations, but there's been a lot of interest in this Creed show.

[Tim Pool]

Bro, I'd be so down.

[Jack Posobiec]

There's been a lot of interest.

[Tim Pool]

Everybody loves sell out a stadium. Hundred thousand people watching forever.

[Jack Posobiec]

Actually, one thing that came came up is that, you know, we might not be able to get a stadium because the NFL, right. Would not want another stadium to be used to like counter program. And the stadium owners might be in a bad position.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Jack Posobiec]

So we'd have to do an arena more underground. So if you can't, we have a key to arena. We get an arena.

[Tim Pool]

But arena, what, like 12,000 seats?

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, it's a range. Yeah, something like that. It's gonna be so hot.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, bro. Scott style. Good.

[Jack Posobiec]

And by the way, I would want to set it up so that it's, you know, if we're putting on a totally separate event, my thinking would be that we don't. Because typical halftime shows, what, like a half hour? Like max? Like I would want to do more than 30 minutes of content. So maybe you have Like a lineup and then the show and then like a finale. And maybe the finale is the halftime.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe. Maybe we. We have a Magic the Gathering tournament with a halftime show. That is Creed, right, Ian?

[Ian Crosland]

That sounds like actually a very good idea.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we're just.

[Jack Posobiec]

We're just there for the great Magic the Gathering halftime show.

[Ian Crosland]

If we get JD to play black.

[Jack Posobiec]

JD Vance would come and JD Vance would roll everybody in there. The people, people. People were asking me. It was in the binder. Yes, it was J.D. vance's gathering binder.

[Tim Pool]

He's got. He's got a.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because it sure wasn't the Epstein files. It sure wasn't that.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Still don't have those?

[Tim Pool]

Nope.

[Jack Posobiec]

His empty. That's good.

[Tim Pool]

All right, what do we got here? Ligma says Poso is correct. The only band that should play halftime shows from this point out is Creed. It's the American thing to do. Just forever.

[Jack Posobiec]

Amen.

[Tim Pool]

That's it. Every super bowl is just going to be Creed.

[Jack Posobiec]

Amen.

[Tim Pool]

All right, what do you got here? When we win, the Hat and beard show says metamodern is just the core millennial value being forefront in the zeitgeist. We have and always hate posers. Most leftists are clearly play acting. Well, I think liberals, I don't think they have ideology. I think they say what they have to say to make money. That's why they don't come on shows and debate, because it doesn't make them money unless they get paid. And they get paid. Have you noticed when certain conservative or right leaning podcasts pay people to come on, they just kind of agree with everything. There's certain liberal personalities who've been hired or paid to go on shows and they just go, oh, you know. Yeah, I didn't think about it. Like, you're right.

[Ian Crosland]

A lot of the liberal people I know, they're ignorant. And to get humiliated, to like learn to get and to show your ignorance on TV is a rough ask. But if you tell them in private, they're always.

[Luke Rudkowski]

They'll do it for money.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's one of their killies. It's a. It's a shame fetish. Yes. Yeah. Public shame fetish.

[Tim Pool]

Brushy honey says Snoop Dogg Creed duo.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wow. Snoop Dogg did play Trump's inauguration. He played the crypto ball. I was there.

[Luke Rudkowski]

And then he apologized for it, didn't he? Or he. I don't backtrack it.

[Tim Pool]

I don't recall.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, I was there that night. It was a. A pretty wild performance. He was extremely high when he came out. That's all say, all right.

[Tim Pool]

Chronic Seed. Chronic Seeds, Inc. I wonder what he's up to. Says, what's this? Doorbell footage of Tyler with a female right after the shooting in the neighborhood. And why did FBI withhold this information? I'd like to take this opportunity to just make a few points. We did a culture war debate on this one. First thing I'll say is I want any and all answers. Who knows?

[Jack Posobiec]

But for the record, same, obviously. Like I said last night, absence of.

[Tim Pool]

Evidence is not evidence of absence. And it is obvious the FBI is not going to release every bit of information they have if. Especially if it could compromise their investigation. So people are asking questions like, why didn't the FBI do this? Why didn't they do that? Honestly, you'd have to ask Cash. But one simple example is, when it comes to investigations, confessions. Or if they're trying to. I'll put it like this. Let's say they're looking for something very specific that they saw in footage. Let's say it is a bag of in n out with, you know, like, a happy face drawn on it. Why won't they put out the footage? Because they don't want people to go out and just start buying a bunch of bags in out, drawing happy faces on them and then littering the country and taking pictures of them and giving them noise and static. Certain information you want to keep close to the chest so that when you're looking for it, no one can fabricate or manipulate. So we deal with this in security, where we once had a credible threat. I'll just tell you guys, I probably should, but I'm saying anyway, we had a credible threat, and we were forced to evacuate. Now, often when we get swatted, we didn't have to evacuate. Why? In this instance, someone knew something specific they should not have known. So when we got swatted, security said, I need to ask you if X is true. Is X true? I said, x is true. Okay, we're evacuating the building. Everyone out. How would someone have sent in a threat, known a specific detail? Well, it compromised our security. So there are reasons why the FBI will collect information and not literally release everything to the public because it could compromise the investigation. I am not defending anything the FBI has done. I'm giving you a rational explanation. And there are people saying, like, they should give us this piece of information. I say, well, for all you know, that piece of information could actually help the shooter escape. And I will stress the one thing that's really disconcerting with these conspiracy theories is by all means I'm not gonna tell people not to speculate, ask questions, do that. But I will also stress, boy, are people drumming up a lot of reasonable doubt for the defense.

[Ian Crosland]

I have to bring this up. This has been on my mind a lot. When a tragedy happens, part of the human brain wants to know what caused that, why did that happen? And understand it so that it doesn't happen again. We're better defended against it. But, but you have to keep moving. If you get distracted by what happened in the past, new avenues of attack open up in front of you in all sorts of ways you don't see coming. But when, when, when people are hurting and they don't know why, they develop what's called madness. And it is either going to take you to sadness or anger. So if you don't feel the sadness and you don't let yourself, it's, it's the, this hatred to figure out and to take control of the situation makes people come up with this. So lay off, off, let them do their jobs. I appreciate it. Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, today's the eight year anniversary of the Las Vegas shooting.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

We still have no idea what happened and they never told us. And I'm upset about that.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I want to make sure this is clear. Like, I think journalism is important. I think the. I'll say this with respect to conspiracy theorists. There's always a smear against people who are actually trying to figure out what's going on. And any good journalist is a conspiracy theorist. That being said, I think a lot of people are milking this for clicks and they're putting out exaggerated claims, palm gun stuff, and that's just silly and all. And it's like it falls apart really quick. But I see people with, there are people who have channels like 10,000 subs, and they got like a million views. And so they're gonna keep pushing these things and they're just muddying it, making it difficult for those of us that are trying to figure out what actually happened.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look, I don't have an issue with anyone who, trying to figure out what happened to Charlie, you know, in the sense that if that's really where they're coming from.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, agreed. And that's, and that's, and that's the way I look at it. If you're really coming from a place where you've got questions. And who wouldn't, right? I've got questions. I have so many questions, I sit up at night asking questions. And at the end of the day, though, if you are Doing that in good faith, then good on you. Like, that's what America's all about.

[Tim Pool]

I can't tell you how many people I've met who go, you knew Charlie, right? I'm like, yeah. I'm like, did it really happen?

[Jack Posobiec]

And I'm like, brother, I get that, too.

[Tim Pool]

I. I was on the. I was like. The amount of phone calls I got of people screaming and crying when this. When this was going down, I'm just.

[Ian Crosland]

Like, dude, when Ian Carroll, the day after it happened, said that Israel did it, or the day, two days after, I'm like, it was literally day after. This is a form of real deep psychosis that needs to be addressed, because you become so vulnerable when you forget what's in front of you. And also, it can be used against people. They don't let tragedies go to waste. If you don't let it go, it will get used against you.

[Jason Scoop]

I kind of completely stopped talking to a guy because he's like, he didn't actually die. And I'm like, I can't.

[Jack Posobiec]

I just can't.

[Tim Pool]

It's like, where do you think he's at? Honest question, like, we're here in the. You know, I will say is the weirdest thing. Luke, did you ever think that you'd be in the conspiracy theory? It's just. It's wild to have. I have bumped into people. I have people ask me, legitimately, there are people who think Charlie's still alive. And I'm like, bro, I will say this. I walk into this building, I look at these pictures. I look at the people working here. I have all the memories. Some days I wake up and my brain is telling me this can't have happened. But my view of it is not that there's a deep conspiracy. My view is because we have warned about the assassination culture, the violent left. This has been something. It's been on radar. I've personally dealt with attacks, death threats, security issues. I don't even know if I can bring. I can't bring up some of these things, but we've had security threats at our studio. I feel like fate broke, like, the path we were supposed to be on, and the future we were heading towards was shattered. So I understand that feeling. Like, you can't believe it. But to bring it to a place where you then push theories or. I call it denial. The idea that Charlie escaped on a trapdoor is one of these things. I'm like, guys, I give everything.

[Jack Posobiec]

If that were true, you could take all my followers. Every dollar in My bank account. Take it all. I had one moment. And for it to be true. Please do.

[Luke Rudkowski]

But, I mean, I think there always is going to be conspiracies. I mean, there's always people saying I was a part of some kind of other conspiracy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

That.

[Luke Rudkowski]

We did a whole bit about this back when we were still in my basement. We were, like, doing a conspiracy video about me and Ben Bernanke being in on it and. And all that. So there's always going to be conspiracies, but I think there are deranged people that have lost their minds. Right. And I think we should not give those people any attention. But I do believe that there are also some very serious, legitimate questions. And the way to beat out those questions is just. Just by asking serious questions and demanding transparency and accountability. I do believe the FBI could have done a way better job. I think there are still some things that they could do better. And I think we need to focus on making sure that this never, ever happens again. I think a lot of people genuinely are coming from a good place in their heart who care about Charlie, who love Charlie, who don't. Who didn't want to see this to happen. There are crazy people. Don't give them any attention. Don't give the fire any fuel.

[Tim Pool]

I agree. I think it's fair to say that there were individuals posting on social media that indicated a foreknowledge in a larger group of people.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

The FBI is investigating those, and Cash has even tweeted about this. I think it's absolutely fine to ask these questions. And I think it's obvious the FBI has not given us all the information they have, so we don't know just yet. So I'll wrap that up.

[Ian Crosland]

And also, the community that I run in is a bunch of investigative journalists. So I understand that if you're listening, you have espoused conspiracy theories. I understand that's your programming. That's the way you've worked.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not condemning conspiracy theorists or conspiracy theories because every good journalist is conspiracy theory. I'm saying the people out there, like. Like you were saying, Jack, who genuinely are trying to figure out what happened and legitimately mean it, whatever ideas they may have, I'm totally okay with, and I encourage.

[Jack Posobiec]

And by the way, it's like people.

[Tim Pool]

Who are exploiting it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like, if people uncover something, a video, a picture. You know, Candace came up with some. Some actual pictures that she got a lot of information and information that we. That hadn't been out before and. And, like, shout out for that, obviously. Yeah. And. And we want as much of that as possible. As much as possible of more direct information on what happened to Charlie.

[Tim Pool]

As much. As much flack as she's gotten because people have been saying that she's insinuating Israel did it or whatever. In terms of the actual reporting she's done one of the best jobs. But there are people who are putting out these wacky. There was one video that's got millions of views and they were like, Charlie was shot from behind. Here's proof. And they show a picture of. In front of Charlie and I'm like, guys, it's like, come on, man. But we are, we are going.

[Jack Posobiec]

We are going over secretly.

[Ian Crosland]

It's also a form of delusion to try and just put it to bed. No, that's also another weird thing for me to have done. So I'm sorry to tell people to stop thinking about it and just to let it go. Let's do both.

[Tim Pool]

We're over time. Let's wrap it up there. So, you know, it is what it is. We try to have this conversation. But. But smash the like button. Share the show. Thank you all so much for watching. You can follow me on X and Instagram Timcast. We're back of course, tomorrow morning. Mr. President, would you like to shout anything out?

[Jason Scoop]

Sure. You guys could follow me at Jason Scoop comedy on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram and also Donald Trump impersonator on Instagram and Jason Scoop on X as well.

[Ian Crosland]

I'm at Ian Cross and you will find me playing the halftime super bowl show.

[Luke Rudkowski]

This Scott Stapped Manifest it, bruh.

[Ian Crosland]

You hear the new one I wrote?

[Jack Posobiec]

There you go. There you go. Well, Jack Ackpasobic and make. If you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, you check out tpusa.com if you want to. If you want to find a chapter, you can find a chapter. If you want to start a chapter, you can start a [e-mail] also check out TP Action. And we've got a. And by the way, America Fest, AM Fest is going on that will be in December. So lock your tickets in now if you. You can. It's going to sell out like it's going to sell it beyond sellout and the. The interest is through the beyond beyond the roof. In fact, we, we may have to be expanding into like other. We're going to take over all of downtown Phoenix basically that weekend.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know what I'm supposed to say or whatever, but just the scuttlebutt is buy your ticket literally right now. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Buy it right now.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. No joke. No joke. The. The past fears have been amazing. James o' Keefe's parties are nuts. And there were already conversations of this being the biggest ever. Now, I'm just gonna. I'll just scuttle. But you're gonna.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Word of the wise.

[Tim Pool]

It's gonna sell it.

[Jack Posobiec]

I. I'd love for you to be there and. You know, is what it is. Don't. Don't come crying to me if. You know, dude, there's.

[Tim Pool]

I. I'm not.

[Jack Posobiec]

You were warned.

[Tim Pool]

He. Jack's right about taking over of downtown. It's gonna be the biggest ever, and the tickets are gonna sell it. Really quick. Quick. So anyway, Luke, awesome.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Ian, this was great. You haven't been back in a while. I haven't been back. This is like old school days. This is like we were doing this how many years ago? Back in five years.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's keep doing back when Trump wouldn't even come by.

[Luke Rudkowski]

Yeah, it's been fun. YouTube.com forward/we are changed. Some people are confused by my T shirt. It's not actually didi.

[Tim Pool]

It.

[Luke Rudkowski]

It says America run on blackmail. You could get it on the Best Politicalshirts.com when you do, you support me. I really appreciate that, and it was great to have this kind of reunion with you guys. Guys, I got a lot of kind of old school moments of us back in the day in that little attic that we were in that was tightly knit. So it's good thing with all you.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, the attic was fun. Charlie debated vosh in our attic.

[Jack Posobiec]

I remember that.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, what a night it was. Our studio table was actually four desks. Four, like, Amazon desks.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, like the square.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah, I think. I think pop culture crisis still uses it.

[Jack Posobiec]

It was, like, insanely hot up there.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, it's been vacant.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. They moved it, I'm pretty sure.

[Ian Crosland]

Oh, they did?

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. All right, guys, Smash the, like button. Share the show. Thanks for hanging out. We're back tomorrow morning with clips at Tim cast news on YouTube and rumble and Tim Poole on Rumble. And we'll see you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sam.