Noah Wall (3:38)

It's great to be on the president, founder of State Leadership Initiative. And I'm just a guy on a mission trying to make Republican state governance match what the citizens actually vote for every single opportunity.

Ian Crossland (3:51)

Oh, yeah, you mentioned the NGOs that are behind the scenes. You call it like a shadow government, just twisting these Republican states as if they're any other state. Like, it's almost irrelevant.

Noah Wall (4:00)

It is. It is an incredible thing and hopefully we get to talk about that tonight.

Ian Crossland (4:03)

I'm Ian Crossland here. I'm back from Rice University where I went down there to do a documentary on graphene. It ended up being a wild nanotechnology documentary. I tell you, man, you spend time around scientists at the pioneering edge of reality and you will be white pilled over and over and over. And if you spend time with politicians, I feel like you tend to get black pilled, so it's important to do both. And take the gray one. Take the gray. I'm happy to be back. It is a blessing and an honor to be here with you guys. Thank you so much for having me.

Seamus Coughlin (4:31)

Dude, I'm so glad to have you back. It's crazy because we used to do the show together like every single night when I was out here. And I know you don't do the show as often, so it's always good when you're here and rebel to chat.

Ian Crossland (4:41)

Yeah, dude, I feel like you're in my pocket. I feel like I reach in my pocket and I'm like, oh, it's Seamus. Yeah, yeah, I forgot I was in my pocket. It feels normal. Thanks for having me.

Seamus Coughlin (4:49)

Me.

Ian Crossland (4:49)

Shame.

Seamus Coughlin (4:49)

So glad. Listen, I didn't make the casting decision, but if I did, you would still be here because I, I would have wanted to see you. You're so nice.

Brett Dasovic (4:56)

Guys, what is going on? It is, Brett. Normally I'm doing Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday at 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time. How you doing, Phil?

Phil Labonte (5:03)

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

Seamus Coughlin (5:09)

All right, let's get into it. Our first story tonight, the Trump administration is from CNN Politics. I've been forgetting to now to announce the names of the articles. So we're going to make sure that I do that. All right? Yeah, the. But you guys can all see him if you're watching. I'm not, I'm not plagiarizing. I'm not pretending I made this story up. Trump administration holds situation Room meeting over a House effort to force release of all of DOJ's Epstein files. The top Trump.

Brett Dasovic (5:35)

Excuse me.

Seamus Coughlin (5:35)

Top Trump administration officials met Wednesday with a key GOP lawmaker about an effort in the U.S. house to force a vote on releasing Justice Department case files related to to Jeffrey Epstein, according to multiple sources familiar with the meeting. White House Press secretary Karen Leavitt acknowledged that meeting later Wednesday when asked about reporting that administration officials were huddling up with GOP Rep. Lord Boebert. Doesn't that show the level of transparency when we are willing to sit down with members of Congress and address their concerns? She told reporters at press briefings. Maybe not enough transparency. Maybe not the exact kind of transparency we've all been looking for. I'm going to turn it over to the rest of the panel. How do you guys feel about this? Is this what we voted for?

Noah Wall (6:20)

Well, I'll start off and tell you that that headline is the type of thing that we always find out three months later never actually happened.

Seamus Coughlin (6:27)

Fair enough.

Noah Wall (6:29)

So I'll just throw that bone Trump's way in.

Ian Crossland (6:32)

What reference?

Noah Wall (6:32)

Like, oh, just, you know, situation room meeting on Epstein. I mean, sounds like maybe there's a situation room meeting where Epstein's name got mentioned, but that's usually the type of thing, you know, did they actually. Okay, guys, let's go talk about this right now in the Situation Room.

Phil Labonte (6:50)

Steel man. The situation. Right. For a steel man. I would hope that the meeting that was where Epstein was discussed was the administration saying, okay, we need to get all of the information we have out there get in front of this, because that's what a, an adult and responsible administration would do. Because as long as there are questions, and there have been questions since before he, he took the oath of office in his second term, as long as there are questions, there are going to be people that are going to say this is, this is, you know, bad. Blah, blah, blah. This is going on and Trump's. There's all sorts of accusations being thrown around. The only option the administration has is getting as much information out as exists. There can be no more redactions. There can be no more, no more trying to tell people that the topic doesn't matter. There can be no more of that. He has to release all, all of the information. And again, this is just a Stealian. Hopefully that's what they were talking about. If not, this is going to continue to haunt him and people are going to continue to make accusations. And at this point, honestly, it is kind of a situation where, because they've taken so long and because they've tried to try to deflect and stuff, there are people out there that are never gonna believe whatever comes out when they say, okay, all of the information. So say all of the information, just for sake of argument, say all the information is put out. There will be a group of people that are gon to say there's more because, because there's no. If they don't hear what they want to hear, they're going to say he didn't release it all. There's blah, blah. This is blah, blah. And it's going to haunt him the rest of his presidency.

Brett Dasovic (8:24)

That's the nature of these types of political attacks now. In a lot of ways, not attack on him, but in general when it comes to information needing to be released, and there's a hesitant. Has a hesitancy to do so. What you'll find is that most people in these spaces, they're waiting until they hear the exact thing that they want to hear about that topic. And if they don't do it, they're just going to keep saying that you're putting it off. We've had so much corruption in government for so long. It's like when people talk about not trusting the media anymore, there are times that the media actually tells you the truth, but nobody wants to believe it anymore because they've lied so many times. It's like you could have gone six months without hearing a lie. And then you see that thing on the BBC about lying about Trump in a documentary. You're like, you're just doing it all over again. You can't stop yourselves. You can't help yourselves. And there's no way for the media to regain their credibility. And it's fast becoming true that Trump is losing any chance he has of, you know, returning his credibility with issues like this. And that's not even to say, like they were saying, they leaked, like Democrats leaked, like, what, three pages. Right. And they, they crossed out Virginia Guthrey's name or whatever. And, and so the whole point was to tie him to it without actually, you know, putting the name out there. If they actually wanted transparency, they wouldn't have blacked out the name at all, but they knew it didn't fit their narrative. It's just lying all around because that's what politicians do. And by lying, I mean half truths, which is the worst type of.

Seamus Coughlin (9:42)

Yeah. So was I hallucinating earlier, or was there a story circulating about Trump calling the Epstein files a hoax, or was he saying that what is being claimed about his involvement is a hoax?

Phil Labonte (9:53)

Well, it depends on who you ask.

Seamus Coughlin (9:54)

Yeah.

Brett Dasovic (9:55)

Yeah, it depends on what their opinion is on him.

Seamus Coughlin (9:57)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (9:58)

If you, if you ask, if you ask people that are aligned with Trump, they're going to say that it wasn't. The. Trump wasn't saying the Epstein files themselves are a hoax. It's the way that the Democrats are framing it that's a hoax. If you are hoax. If you ask Democrats, they're going to say that, that Trump is saying that the whole thing is a hoax and he's trying to lie to you. So it all depends on who you ask and what's convenient for the argument they're trying to make.

Seamus Coughlin (10:18)

Yeah, well, and so this is just me musing, as they say. But why wouldn't Trump just say that these files were destroyed by the last administration and there's no way we can release. Because this is one argument you're hearing from a lot of people. Well, the reason Trump doesn't have the files is because they're destroyed. I'm sympathetic to that. I think that's probably true. But then why wouldn't he just say that? Yeah, this confuses me.

Brett Dasovic (10:43)

Meaning that you think that it would just come across as a. Like I said earlier, if people don't hear what they want to hear, they're going to assume that he's lying. So if he says they don't exist anymore, people are like the government redundancy. That doesn't sound plausible to me.

Ian Crossland (10:55)

And if it's, if they're not destroyed, that's an easy one to disprove. And if he gets caught with his pants down.

Seamus Coughlin (11:00)

Oh, so you think it's possible that they actually weren't destroyed? Okay, that's.

Ian Crossland (11:03)

I think they were backed up and given to people and are being used as blackmail right now by Trump's administration and others to go after the state and prevent them from killing him.

Phil Labonte (11:11)

Basically. It's not the 60s, really. Yeah, it's not the 60s anymore. Like, destroying is not destroying something is not putting the files themselves through a shredder, if they existed.

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Phil Labonte (11:50)

Beautiful Anonymous. Then there are still files on computers somewhere. The idea that they can destroy them totally nowadays, I really.

Seamus Coughlin (11:59)

No, for sure. But they can make them inaccessible.

Phil Labonte (12:01)

I don't think that it's. I don't think that's realistic.

Seamus Coughlin (12:04)

I think you're right that it would be nearly impossible to completely get rid of the fil, especially with the interest that people have in them. But I do think it would be possible for them to make the files inaccessible to the administration. That I could believe.

Ian Crossland (12:15)

Well, he had that meeting with Ghislaine. Sorry about it.

Brett Dasovic (12:17)

Yeah, go ahead.

Ian Crossland (12:18)

Well, they. He met up with Ghislaine, Trump or somebody did about six months ago at this point. And they, after a conversation, they moved Ghislaine to a minimum security prison. And she was like the ringleader of this Epstein operation. They moved her to a minimum security and then a couple weeks later, they let some time go by. And then she said Trump did nothing untoward. So. Well, and maybe in that meeting we say this last thing. Maybe in that meeting they got the keys from Ghislaine, the final piece to unlock the file so that they have them and that's her reward as they put her in minimum security.

Phil Labonte (12:43)

Virginia Guthrie said the same thing that Ghislaine said. Virginia Guthrie said that Trump had never done anything untoward. And there's also why they blacked out.

Brett Dasovic (12:50)

Her name in the file.

Phil Labonte (12:51)

Exactly. And also there was, I forget I heard it today, someone talking about the, I think it was on the morning meeting. Mark Halperin was talking about it. That the argument that, that Trump made or Epstein said that he spoke to Ghislaine. Trump spoke to Ghislaine and knew about the young girls. And Trump told Ghislaine, you guys have to stop this.

Noah Wall (13:12)

Yes, that did come out in the files today. And it's one of those things. The interesting part about this is we hear, whenever we hear something new, it usually does not transpire that it was Trump actually doing anything untoward. Which is what makes the whole, like, why not release such a puzzle? I think because, like, again, like, these files today were clearly timed by the Democrats. The release was set up to, you know, to impact this vote that the House is going to take. Put, you know, how they're going to handle the release of the files. And in these files, Trump is like telling Ghislaine like, hey, you need to not do this.

Ian Crossland (13:47)

Yeah. One thing, he might have been working with the FBI. This has come up before in thought experiments is that he was actually turning these dudes into the FBI and like sided with her.

Seamus Coughlin (13:56)

Yeah. That he was like a secret agent man.

Ian Crossland (13:58)

Yeah. And if he publicly came out with that now, how would that look?

Brett Dasovic (14:02)

And just as a matter of framing, all it takes is a headline that says Trump is in the files. It doesn't matter what is actually, you know, in the actual documents themselves because it ties it to him as guilt by association for people that don't want to look deeper into whatever they're doing. And again, he's already at a disadvantage right now because he's pissed off his base to cuss right there. But he's like with the H1B stuff in the, in the students from China, he's angering a lot of the people that would at least usually go to bat with a reasonable argument to the contrary for whatever people are coming at him with.

Phil Labonte (14:31)

Yeah. So, and, and the idea that he is in the files, again, this is something that what that means is going to depend on who you're talking to. If you're talking to someone in Trump world, in the files means that he's referenced, he's talked about in the files, et cetera. If you're talking to someone that doesn't like Donald Trump in the files means he was videotaped having sex with a six year old is what they're gonna.

Ian Crossland (14:55)

Say if he was Secret Agent man and he worked with the FBI and started turning in these dudes that were trafficking 13, 14 year old girls and he came out and told everyone that. I feel like that would make him a superhero in the minds of most humans. Maybe the people that he turned into, most normal people.

Seamus Coughlin (15:10)

Yeah, if that were true.

Ian Crossland (15:11)

But then maybe the businessmen that he had turned in or gave information on would turn on him. Maybe they're some of his supporters. I don't know.

Seamus Coughlin (15:17)

The media would still find a bad way to spin that.

Noah Wall (15:19)

Yep.

Seamus Coughlin (15:20)

If that were to have happened, which I'm not saying to me that. Listen, I would love if that were true. I would love if that was the case that he was Secret Agent man and he was turning these people. That would be one of the most incredible stories ever. I would absolutely love it. I'm saying I'd have to see some evidence for that. I would need to see some evidence. It would. That is something I want to have happened. That's something that I want to be the case genuinely. But that's also why I got to say, show me some evidence. I just can't buy into it because it would be convenient based on my worldview. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (15:49)

I hope he sees this show and he's like, I was Secret Agent Man.

Seamus Coughlin (15:53)

I did it. I had a little. My watch fired a laser.

Brett Dasovic (15:56)

It was W8, not W7.

Ian Crossland (15:58)

What else could it be that they're not.

Brett Dasovic (15:59)

That they're.

Ian Crossland (16:00)

I mean, it sounds like he's lying, that he's just blatantly. Or he's like trying to evaporate this thing. That's obviously there.

Phil Labonte (16:06)

My gut instinct from all of the information that I have is that Trump is in the files, as in like he's talked about because he was friends with Epstein and Trump is running from Epstein and has been. And that's why he's saying, no, we're not friends. Who is he? Blah, blah, blah. We had a falling out. I used to be friends with him. He's made all of these, all of these statements to distance himself because he's right referenced in the files and he knows that it looks bad. It doesn't matter that he, he's. Or it would not matter that he didn't do anything. The point that he has is I don't want to be associated with it because I know this is bad. But he's. But because he's done all this denial, it's only made it worse.

Seamus Coughlin (16:45)

Yeah, I get what you're saying. There's also part of me that thinks that if he was in the files, we would have known by now. We, I mean, they, they looked into him so deeply, they investigated so thoroughly.

Brett Dasovic (16:54)

He's the most investigated.

Seamus Coughlin (16:56)

Exactly. I mean, if they could have got him on that, they would have got him on that.

Noah Wall (16:59)

I.

Seamus Coughlin (17:00)

Instead of some, instead of some trumped up real estate nonsense.

Noah Wall (17:02)

Well, no, that's exactly right. I mean, they spent, I mean, you know, we may talk about Arctic Frost later, but they spent like thousands of agent man hours finding, unturning every single rock, you know, in every possible jurisdiction to get this guy on something. The idea that they would have this information and not use it is insane.

Brett Dasovic (17:23)

The craziest version of the story is they get into the files and somehow they find out that he actually did lie in his taxes.

Phil Labonte (17:30)

He didn't admit to lying to.

Brett Dasovic (17:32)

Right.

Phil Labonte (17:32)

You know, he told, he direct came right out and said that he told. They say he told Hillary.

Seamus Coughlin (17:36)

Don't they say he kicked Epstein, he banned him from Mar a Lago?

Ian Crossland (17:38)

Yeah, that's what I know is, from what I've heard is that Epstein like Trump has these like young, you know, 16, 17, 18 year old women working at Mar a Lago, you know, hot waitresses or whatever. And then Epstein comes down there and, and Mooch takes a bunch of them to go be his models. And then Trump was pissed and then that was one of their falling out happened. Wouldn't surprise me then if he was like, I'm turn, I'm going all out on this guy. I'm getting him busted, I'm going to take him to court or take him to the FBI.

Brett Dasovic (17:59)

And it's kind of a master class in not handling a story about your, about your political career. Well, given the fact that he was able to avoid this in 2016 and 2020. And it just doesn't, it seems like he's taken every wrong step when it comes to handling the situation and it's, it's confirmation bias for the people that don't like him. If anybody's seen the tweet from. Somebody will quote tweet Stephen King when he said the Epstein files are fake. And now he's saying release the Epstein files. Like that's what you're dealing with. You're never gonna, you're never gonna convince those people anyway.

Seamus Coughlin (18:28)

I think he described the Epstein files in his book. It. Yeah, Stephen King's a freaky guy.

Noah Wall (18:33)

Yeah.

Seamus Coughlin (18:33)

Like for, for him to, to sit there and. Yeah, anyway, I, My point is, I don't want to hear Stephen King moralize about anything. Yeah, but, yeah, I, I agree with you. I have no idea why he's saying the things he's saying or taking the tone that he's taking. Again, I don't think he's in the files, but that's also why this is so perplexing. And it's not like I just don't think he's in the files because I love him so much and I couldn't believe it. And it's because we would have known by now. They would have told us. It doesn't make sense. None of this makes sense.

Brett Dasovic (18:59)

That was like my point. We were, it came up earlier because we were talking about Jimmy Kimmel, talking about Trump and all of these things said the reason why nobody takes you seriously is because you've never had a nuanced opinion on the man in any way, shape or form. And I pulled up Clint Russell's tweet about the stuff that Trump has failed with recently. I said, if you're trying to tell me that I should take my opinions on Trump from, you know, empty suit liberals in Hollywood or somebody who is at least willing to hear him out in the past, had good things to say about him at one time and now is saying you're chalking up loss after loss after loss, I'm going to take that guy's opinion with a lot more certainty than I am anybody from Hollywood. But the people Trump is playing to is that he's still expecting to win over people that he used to run with.

Seamus Coughlin (19:42)

Well, I also heard the argument made when this initially reared its ugly head when Trump got elected and first really disappointed us on this issue. I heard people saying, well, maybe it's the case that too many powerful people were involved in society would collapse. Now, in my mind, if your society is going to collapse when pedophiles go to jail, your society should probably collapse. Right.

Brett Dasovic (20:05)

What is the argument? Is the argument that, like, what, they're the heads of every company? Like there isn't some second in command that's going to just take over the company when that guy eventually goes down?

Seamus Coughlin (20:13)

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why we need all the H1Bs, Brett.

Noah Wall (20:16)

Yes, exactly.

Seamus Coughlin (20:17)

Just are no competent Americans who aren't on the Epstein list and they're actually bring all the H1Bs in.

Brett Dasovic (20:22)

We're actually bringing them in to be CEOs. We're actually bringing them in to be CEOs, not programmers.

Ian Crossland (20:27)

Tabula rasa.

Seamus Coughlin (20:28)

Well, we have this article here from KCRA3. Speaker Johnson says House will vote next week on whether to release the Epstein files. Speaker Mike Johnson announced to reporters on Wednesday that he will put a bill compelling the Department of Justice to release all of its Jeffrey Epstein case files in the House floor next week earlier than expected. We're going to put that on the floor for a full vote when we get back next week, johnson said. In the meantime, I'll remind everyone that the House Oversight Committee has been working around the clock on its own investigation. The speaker said Johnson is required to put the bill from Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna and GOP Representative Thomas Massie on the floor soon, now that their discharge petition has reached 218 signatures. But he has some leeway to do so, and Johnson suggested Wednesday he would not use that extra time. The story is breaking and will be updated. What do you all think?

Phil Labonte (21:21)

The idea that there would be anyone that at all that would vote no is just, it's gut wrenching to me. There, there is no justification for voting no to not really, because very least because this does nothing good for Donald Trump. And it does. It does nothing good for conservatives and Republicans. If Donald Trump has done something illegal or has done something wrong, better for the Republicans to put that out.

Seamus Coughlin (21:47)

Agreed. A completely Trump out of office.

Phil Labonte (21:49)

Have JD Vance finish out the term and put this behind us. Because I don't care how many people like Donald Trump, I don't care how many people hate Donald Trump. The fact of the matter is the Republicans overall are going to be better than the Democrats. And so if Donald Trump is causing problems, get him out, get him out of the way.

Noah Wall (22:13)

Put J.D.

Phil Labonte (22:14)

Vance in. J.D. vance will be a perfectly fine president. I know that he would. He wouldn't be able to run for two more terms. He'd only be able to run for another one. That's fine. But if Donald Trump has done something illegal, then get him out because it's only causing problems for the United States.

Seamus Coughlin (22:28)

And again, like I said, I don't think he's in the files based on the reasons we discussed earlier. But it wouldn't even matter if he is or if there's something that's tried to trying to be covered up. The whole Republican Party should not let itself go down over this. That's insane. It's absolutely strategy. And obviously if the Democrats were voting for it and they voted against it, which again, I think you're going to have people from both parties who will vote against releasing the files because of how ugly the unit party is. But it's horrifying. And what's so horrifying about it Is not just the reasons you mentioned, Phil, but also the fact that they know on some level that they could do that and still get reelected. That's the really scary part.

Noah Wall (23:04)

So the insane thing is the house has been basically out of session since the shutdown started. Why this bill? They have been out of session because they have not. They didn't want to swear in the new guy because once they start back up. That's why they had to force the vote on this. It's an absolutely insane situation.

Ian Crossland (23:24)

The Epstein stuff.

Noah Wall (23:25)

Yes.

Ian Crossland (23:27)

They're gridlocked over the Epstein stuff, and that's what stopped them from.

Noah Wall (23:30)

No, no, that's not. That's not. That's not why the government shut down. They have used the government shutdown as an excuse.

Seamus Coughlin (23:36)

You think it's a convenient excuse?

Noah Wall (23:37)

Yeah, because when they reconvene, they have to take this up because it's a privileged motion.

Ian Crossland (23:42)

You know, I guess I'll take devil's advocate here. I'm not a Satanist, I promise you that. But thinking about using evil to. To establish order and power to make a better world. Like, if this is the one ring, this information, it's so powerful, they're like, we need to release the files, which is like, destroy the one Ring. It must be cast into Mount Doom. It's a lord of the rings reference.

Seamus Coughlin (24:05)

We know it's a lord of the rings reference.

Ian Crossland (24:07)

You might know. But then the guy's like, no, I'm gonna use the ring to destroy Sauron. And they've got this powerful blackmail. If they're blackmailing, like, the Saudi princes and the royal family of England and the Israeli government, if they have this control over foreign people diplomatically because of this technology or this info. And they were just to give that all up so.

Phil Labonte (24:26)

Just to push back on that. I don't think Saudi princes would care, Right. That they're. They're royalty in Saudi Arabia.

Brett Dasovic (24:32)

They're buying up half of America anyways.

Phil Labonte (24:34)

Their culture is totally different. So they don't. They wouldn't have the same repercussions as the United States. And then as for the royal family in England, was it. Philip is the guy that got his.

Ian Crossland (24:47)

All. Andrew.

Phil Labonte (24:48)

Andrew got all of his. His title stripped and everything. And he's. He's still feeling the heat currently. So I imagine this is something that. That he's the. The royal. That that was involved. This. If I understand correctly, there are no other royals that are.

Ian Crossland (25:02)

That we know of that were.

Phil Labonte (25:03)

Well, that were. If there. If there were in the files, I imagine they would have come out, but again, I'm not saying for sure, but I just don't think that. I don't think that the idea that it's to protect powerful people is compelling.

Ian Crossland (25:17)

No, it's to have power over the powerful people.

Seamus Coughlin (25:21)

Yeah. He's saying it's a blackmail operation, basically. Yeah.

Phil Labonte (25:23)

Yeah.

Brett Dasovic (25:24)

So.

Phil Labonte (25:24)

But I don't. I don't think that. I don't. I don't think that it's a blackmail operation, personally.

Ian Crossland (25:28)

It's impossible to know. I don't think it is. I'm just wondering if that's why they're. They're. It seems like they're holding data and they're. They're pretending like it doesn't exist.

Phil Labonte (25:35)

I think it's all about. I think it's all about. Donald Trump doesn't want it to come out because he doesn't want. He doesn't want his name associated with. With it.

Ian Crossland (25:40)

Purely Trump's ego in this one.

Phil Labonte (25:42)

I. Yeah, I think so. Trump has got a big ego.

Seamus Coughlin (25:44)

Well, Democrats are doing everything to associate his name with it. From Newsweek, we have Jeff Jeffrey Epstein emails. Trump named in new emails released by House Democrats. Live updates. Democrats on the House Oversight Committee have released a second tranche of emails on Wednesday, including communications between Jeffrey Epstein, Steve Bannon, and former Treasury. Excuse me, Secretary Larry Summers. The explosive emails raise a fresh question over what US President Trump knew about Epstein's sexual misconduct. The first series of emails released earlier this morning included communications showing Epstein calling Trump the, quote, dog that hasn't barked, unquote, very rude. And that the President has asked Epstein to resign his membership at the Mar A Lago Club. One email sent by Epstein said, of course Trump knew about the girls because he asked Elaine Maxwell to stop. I don't like how much of this is broken up by the quotes. And I'm also a little confused about the narrative here. They're saying that Trump, Trump. They're saying that Trump knew and wanted them to stop and kicked Epstein out of his club.

Brett Dasovic (26:41)

So the whole point is it's media framing. You use the most. You. You use the most innocuous headline that uses Epstein, Trump and files in one article title, and you have convinced a bunch of midwits. You know, I'm a midwit, but different midwits. What to believe by. Because they're not going to get past the headline. This is why people hate the media now.

Seamus Coughlin (27:01)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (27:01)

Among other reasons.

Ian Crossland (27:02)

Yeah.

Brett Dasovic (27:02)

One of the many reasons.

Noah Wall (27:03)

Thank you.

Ian Crossland (27:04)

Better than your average midwip.

Brett Dasovic (27:05)

Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm like, I'm like Tate, 85 IQ.

Ian Crossland (27:08)

Like mid whip plus plus plus well.

Seamus Coughlin (27:10)

This is part of what's confusing about this. Like I've said, he's been extremely investigated. We've also, there have been so many phony scandals surrounding him. They've tried everything that they can to incriminate him or smear his name. So I'm very hesitant.

Ian Crossland (27:21)

He just believes him talking. That's the problem. He could have said nothing. The salt.

Seamus Coughlin (27:25)

No, I agree. It's the thing, the things that bother me are the things that he, he says it's not. But whenever these accusations are made by the media, I'm like, I don't know what that means.

Brett Dasovic (27:36)

And the, the response, the, the absolute like weariness that everybody has to this type of stuff is kind of an indictment of just how much stuff has been said about him over the last 12 to 10 to 12 years. And people just, they don't have the bandwidth to take you at your word anymore. If, if maybe you would, you know, the first time it was that, what was it? The Russian hookers. That's right, right. Like if maybe you gotten it right the first time or before the Steele dossier or any of this Stu, more people would be willing to take you seriously. But now you have to just beat everybody over the head with it. And all you had to do was do a more honest title to this article, but it wouldn't sell copy.

Seamus Coughlin (28:12)

Well, that's exactly right. And so ultimately they've cried wolf many, many times. And if this time it turns out there was a wolf, no one's going to believe him and it's going to be their fault.

Brett Dasovic (28:22)

People have picked their sides anyways. So, I mean, that's what I like about people on the right who are calling this stuff out now who may have voted for him in 2024 and saying, look, he's screwing up on a lot of things. If he's bad, get of office. And I appreciate, you know, don't subscribe to a party and don't subscribe to, especially to any one person, be it a politician or anybody else, because you should not hold anybody in that level of esteem, especially if they have power over you. Just hold him, hold his feet to the fire and if he's in the files, then get him out of there.

Seamus Coughlin (28:51)

Any other thoughts from anyone here?

Ian Crossland (28:54)

No, not really on that story.

Seamus Coughlin (28:56)

Well, let's talk about our next story. Trump says H1B visas are needed because of the lack of US talent. I was told America's Got Talent, but I Guess that's not the case. President Donald Trump ignited a wave of MAGA criticism in defending the use of the H1B visa program, telling a reviewer in the United States, by the way, I disagree with him with the clips. Hilarious. Telling an interview with the United States needs to bring in talent and pushing back on the idea that the country already has enough talented workers. Fox News host Laura Laura Ingram questioned Trump on H1B visas this week, saying they hurt wages for American workers. I agree with you, but. I agree. But you do also have to bring in talent, Trump said. When Ingram countered that we have plenty of talent, Trump responded, no, you don't. That's brutal. But then he followed up and he said, you don't have certain talents. So I think this is Trump being blunt, but, you know, ultimately, I don't think that that was a great thing for him to say. Look, we're going to, we're going to.

Brett Dasovic (29:57)

Make America great again, but we're just going to have to start elsewhere.

Seamus Coughlin (30:00)

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Phil Labonte (30:01)

Literally the worst thing he could have.

Seamus Coughlin (30:02)

Said, well, let me, let me play this clip of him real quick. Publicans have to talk about it. And does that mean the H1B visa thing will not be a big priority for your administration? Because if you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country with, with tens of thousands or.

Brett Dasovic (30:18)

Hundreds of thousands of foreign workers.

Seamus Coughlin (30:19)

Also do have to bring in talent.

Noah Wall (30:21)

When we have plenty of talented people.

Phil Labonte (30:23)

No, you don't. No, you don't.

Seamus Coughlin (30:24)

We don't have talented people. No, you don't have, have, you don't have certain talents.

Phil Labonte (30:28)

And you have to, people have to learn.

Seamus Coughlin (30:30)

You can't take people off an unemployment.

Phil Labonte (30:32)

Like an unemployment line and say, I'm.

Seamus Coughlin (30:34)

Going to put you into a factory, we're going to make missiles.

Ian Crossland (30:36)

Or I'm going to put.

Seamus Coughlin (30:37)

How did we ever do it before? Well, let me, I'll give you an example.

Phil Labonte (30:40)

I'm breaking paperclip.

Brett Dasovic (30:41)

Yeah. We brought in Nazi scientists because they.

Seamus Coughlin (30:44)

Wanted illegal immigrants out.

Phil Labonte (30:46)

They had people from South Korea that.

Seamus Coughlin (30:49)

Made batteries all their lives. You know, making batteries are very complicated.

Phil Labonte (30:53)

It's not a, an easy thing and very dangerous.

Seamus Coughlin (30:55)

A lot of explosions, a lot of problems. They had like five or six hundred.

Phil Labonte (30:59)

People, early stages to make batteries and.

Seamus Coughlin (31:02)

To teach people how to do it. Well, they wanted them to get out of the country. You're going to need that, Laura.

Phil Labonte (31:07)

I mean, I know you and I disagree on this. You can't just say, a country's coming.

Seamus Coughlin (31:12)

In, going to invest $10 billion to build a plant and get a. Take people off an unemployment line who.

Phil Labonte (31:18)

Haven'T worked in five years and they're.

Seamus Coughlin (31:20)

Going to start making missiles. It doesn't work that way. All right, so there's a couple issues here. Firstly, the way the H1B issue is always framed is that we just don't have the proper talent in the United States and American workers aren't competent enough to fulfill certain duties and fill certain positions. Here's the problem with that. You could potentially make the argument that when you are dealing with once in a generation brilliance, which yes, certain very exclusive high level jobs do require, that maybe in some circumstances you might have to start hunting in other countries because the United States just doesn't have anyone who fits the requirements of this very important position. There's a conversation there that is not how H1B visas are used. The vast majority of the time you look at these H1B listings and they're, they've got people driving trucks on H1Bs who don't even speak English and they're like running their bot farm and cooking at the same time as they're behind the wheel like running over families in the are minivans. The whole argument is ridiculous. We can't allow them to frame it this way. It is obvious that the purpose of H1B visas is a handout to companies that make billions of dollars annually off of high skilled workers but don't want to pay them high skilled wages.

Brett Dasovic (32:36)

He's a, he's a CEO at heart, like he really is. And we kind of get into this a lot of times. You think about it, they're all, it's like what's going on in Hollywood right now? Not to derail, but you know, people are losing their jobs because AI is streamlining the creative process for a lot of them there. And you're just. I don't, personally, I don't expect a CEO to look at the creatives and value them the ways perhaps a manager was or somebody who worked in the creative fields before them. The guy who went to business school isn't going to see them with the same value. And Trump at his heart is a businessman and he's not going to look at the American jobs as the value that he claims to because this clearly proves that that's not true.

Noah Wall (33:12)

So first of all, so H1B is. So there's actually a separate category of visa for exceptional talents. Oh, one visa.

Seamus Coughlin (33:21)

Yes.

Noah Wall (33:21)

Yeah, that's not what H1B is. The second problem that I have with this Is all summer we were inundated with case after case of H1B violations getting exposed. To be able to qualify for an H1B, you cannot have an American qualified candidate apply for the job. We're finding out that they've been listing these H1B positions in the back of newspapers that no one reads to technically legally qualify for having advertised a job and then just shipping it out to an H1B. The problem that I have with this as well is that we have public universities around the country that are hiring H1BS by the tens of thousands. These are state universities that are required, they're set up to educate the people of that state in a, you know, fiscally response, like make it like a cheap university for the residents, residents of that state. And what are they doing? They're going out and hiring H1BS with state government, you know, taxpayer dollars. I mean this is, it's an absolutely insane problem all the way around. But you know, quite frankly, I think there's a lot of confusion going on.

Ian Crossland (34:38)

Universities are hiring foreign workers to like work as staff and administrators. Is that where they're coming?

Noah Wall (34:43)

Teachers, Staff, administrators? Yes, like so in fiscal year 2025, 17,000 H1. This year, 17,000 H1B visas were granted for, for universities around the country.

Ian Crossland (35:01)

Man, it's an interesting combo because if they're not exceptional talent, but they're better than average and they're not the teachers like a foreign teacher, they're getting like a Chinese teacher to come in and teach mathematics at like some.

Noah Wall (35:13)

So over the summer when President Trump, he came out with this announcement with Lutnick that they were going to be placing a hundred thousand dollar price tag associated to H1BS. There's an article in Houston Chronicle talking about hundreds of Houston teachers are going to be not able to qualify anymore because they have K through 12 teachers in Texas on H1BS. We can't even hire teachers.

Phil Labonte (35:41)

They need to end the H1B visa program entirely. I don't see the point. Like for H1BS, if you want to talk about the O1s, that's a totally different topic. But this has been my position for a long time and the H1B visa program entirely. We don't need to keep importing people. We need to focus on the Americans that are here, the people that are here. We need to encourage them to have children. We need to have policies that encourage people to have families and encourage people to stay together when they get married. That should be a focus by the government.

Noah Wall (36:13)

Government, yeah. My problem with the H1B program. And if you asked four years ago, it would like, I would not have told you this, but this year I've been absolutely blackpilled on the program understanding. So you can go through the list of jobs that people have for the H1. I mentioned the, you know, the universities, state governments around the country are hiring H1BS. What we are seeing as well, like, you can go through the list of, you know, applicants in your like area, you'll see 711 managers. Like, we don't have people can manage 7 11. And at the same time, what we're seeing as well, in addition to the fraud I mentioned earlier, what we're seeing is like, we're seeing college graduates, American students graduating universities with technical STEM degrees unable to get jobs.

Seamus Coughlin (37:03)

Yeah, exactly. That's a very serious problem because we will never be able to solve the problem of Americans not being quote, unquote, talented enough to fill these roles. We'll never be able to solve that problem if we're just giving those jobs away because people will stop pursuing those degrees. And we're essentially going to import an upper class. Now, another huge part of this is you mentioned that there were a lot of companies that were putting ads for jobs in the backs of obscure papers and magazines that no one was reading. And I remember reading about this and I can't remember the name of it. Someone either made an app or a website that was exposing this. Do you remember the name of that?

Noah Wall (37:37)

I forget it. I'll have to look it up. But there's an X account where they're exposing this and they've done an amazing job. And the backlash was hilarious because they got angry that Americans were calling and applying for it. And so Americans like, so you see, the job will come up on the X account and you'd like, just go apply. The second you apply, that job can no longer be filled by an H1B person.

Seamus Coughlin (38:01)

That's. Yeah, exactly. You know what?

Noah Wall (38:03)

That's. So just the act of applying caused them to no longer be able to fill that position with H1B because of.

Seamus Coughlin (38:08)

The regulations, you had to call in. The thing is, if you really wanted to get seen for an interview, you needed to call in and talk with an accident like, yes, I would. The software job. And. And they bring you, and you're like, hey, guys, how are you? No, I am the guy who talked to you on the phone.

Brett Dasovic (38:19)

This is how I sound on the phone.

Seamus Coughlin (38:20)

Cold. I don't know what you're talking about. I thought I.

Ian Crossland (38:23)

In regards to this Interview with Laura Ingraham and Donald Trump. I think that Trump generally is a disagreeable personality type. There's agreeability on a scale and he's just made a living being disagreeable. If you come at him especially emotionally charged, he'll say, no, you're wrong. No, stop, no. And then when she said we don't, we have town here, he's like, no, we don't. That's, he's probably sitting there thinking, oh my God, of course we, we do and we can. But it's not that I don't think that he's intending to stunt the growth of the town of the American people or he's not saying that it. Just because he hasn't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Brett Dasovic (38:53)

The problem is to his base right now, it feels like he's chosen the donor class over actual American citizens.

Ian Crossland (38:59)

I think he needs a longer platform to talk about this because that was a one minute high powered emotional charge that he barely got any coherent message out about. Talking about, like why what's so important about the H1BS? I really want to hear him go.

Phil Labonte (39:12)

On that he needs to let Stephen Miller write the press relief and then sign it. Donald Trump is what he needs to do. That's. Yeah, that's what he should do, should have, he should say, Stephen, what am I going to say to the American people about this topic? And then Stephen's going to tell him and then he should do exactly what Stephen says.

Ian Crossland (39:30)

Then he could, he and Stephen could do a press like a conference where they sit together and talk about if Miller's the guy, guy that has the.

Phil Labonte (39:35)

Info and like Miller's the guy that he has the best idea when the best ideas in my opinion when it comes to immigration and stuff like that. Is he basically no immigration.

Ian Crossland (39:43)

Is he not pro H1B? Is Miller not pro H1B?

Phil Labonte (39:46)

I know that he's, he's not pro immigration. I don't know his specific take on H1BS because there's not just H1B. It's like there's all kinds of subcategories as well. So I don't know he would know the specifics obviously better than I would, but I know that he's very pro American worker and he's very anti immigrant.

Ian Crossland (40:02)

The other flip side I'm trying to steel man Trump's perspective is that if you bring like a Chinese teacher to a college and they're really good teacher, they're not like exceptional 01, then they can teach the kids and make the American students better than if we didn't have a great teacher.

Phil Labonte (40:17)

We shouldn't take any Chinese at all.

Ian Crossland (40:19)

Or then India, whatever country, foreign country, you know.

Phil Labonte (40:21)

Well, okay, fair enough. But at least, because we've talked like there's talk about. Trump was mentioning taking 600,000 Chinese students. Every single Chinese person that comes to the United States is a possible spy, Is a likely spy. Because if a Chinese student comes here, the Chinese government will then apply pressure to that, that student's family and say, you need to do this for us. You need to do that for us. So every single Chinese student, every single Chinese person that comes here is a liability. There should be zero Chinese students led into the liability.

Ian Crossland (40:52)

Doesn't mean you have to get rid of the thing. If some things can have liabilities that are worth. They're still worth having.

Seamus Coughlin (40:58)

It depends on the liability, though. If you're dealing with a foreign spy, try to sell your potential.

Phil Labonte (41:03)

And you look at the industries that China, that China, China has their students focus on. Right. And you look at the way that China produces or the way that China treats. Treats intellectual property and stuff like that.

Noah Wall (41:16)

They.

Phil Labonte (41:16)

They're. They just steal everything. Yeah, they don't. Everything. So there is no benefit to having Chinese people come to the United States, help develop things in the United States and then send it back to China.

Ian Crossland (41:26)

That's a different. It's a different conversation than H1B talking about students.

Seamus Coughlin (41:29)

No, it's. But it's.

Ian Crossland (41:30)

That's my experience with Chinese students. I was just at Rice at the nanotechnology lab. There's Chinese students developing material science. Like, that's called new batteries.

Phil Labonte (41:37)

It's going back to China.

Ian Crossland (41:38)

No, no. They're starting corporations in the United states and made CEOs of these corporations hire American workers.

Phil Labonte (41:43)

Maybe they're doing that, but the information is still going back to China.

Ian Crossland (41:45)

It's also going to the United States. If they go to China, it's just going to go to China.

Seamus Coughlin (41:50)

But that's why we don't bring them in.

Brett Dasovic (41:51)

And they're using our resources to develop it.

Ian Crossland (41:53)

I mean, these, not these. They're not like, pro. A lot of these people are not like, pro communist dictatorships. Like, they're not.

Phil Labonte (42:00)

But that. Ian, the point isn't whether or not they're pro. The point is they have family in. And China will put their family in a hole. That is, they'll put them in jail and say they get out. When you start doing what we say, like China, China has. Has. Has. Like there are actual, like, police departments in America that, that police the Chinese population in the United States, the FBI has actually found, found them and broken up some of them. But the point is, China, if you're a Chinese student, if you're a Chinese person from China, China, you and you have family in China, they're going to use you against whatever your host country is. And the United States has a responsibility to prevent that.

Brett Dasovic (42:40)

Does it also say something about what Trump thinks about the American people's station in life? Because I did a video this week about Trump. The Trump administration, like Customs and Border Protection, were like using shots of the Batman advertising deportations and stuff like that. So is the idea supposed to be that we free up lower wage jobs by deporting illegal immigrants? Americans can have those jobs, but anything higher than that, no. We're going to import H1B visas so there's no upward mobility. You can get those jobs because we're going to deport illegal aliens. Fine. But you're not going to have any upward mobility because we legally bring in people, which will benefit the corporations because they can give them those jobs at a lower cost.

Seamus Coughlin (43:23)

Exactly. Well, and also, it's just disheartening and confusing that Trump has gone back and forth on this so much. We were all white pilling because he said, oh, actually, we're going to make them pay $100,000 for each H1B. And then some were saying it was going to be annually reoccurring. Which, you know, if you really need to import this talent from other places in the world and you're not just doing it because you want to cut down wages, then surely you should be willing to pay a premium for that. This is, this is somebody who is the top 1% of the top 1%, talent wise. Oh. But as it turns out, they're not willing to do that because we all know that that's not what they're looking for. So I'm curious, why do you guys think Trump keeps going back and forth on this? Is it just a question of him being caught between trying to please his base and trying please some of the business people around him, or what his. His advisors? Is he getting bad information and input from the people who surround him?

Ian Crossland (44:14)

I think he at first was idealistic and like, we're just going to go with what feels right, and now he's being utilitarian and realizing, I don't want to gut, you know, 6% of our economy by stripping out the H1BS.

Brett Dasovic (44:25)

I saw a tweet with somebody saying that Charlie Kirk was somebody who would have been able to tell him that ideas like this are bad and that your base isn't going to, isn't going to support it without Charlie there to kind of give him that information that, you know, his, you know, his administration is suffering right now.

Noah Wall (44:40)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (44:40)

And, and one of the, one of the good things about Donald Trump is Donald Trump is very pragmatic. Like, if there is a policy that he presents and it gets a lot of pushback, he will change. He. He's not always. What was that?

Noah Wall (44:52)

I said always.

Seamus Coughlin (44:54)

Exactly.

Noah Wall (44:54)

That's what you freak out.

Seamus Coughlin (44:55)

That's why we.

Phil Labonte (44:56)

Donald Trump will respond. And that's a, That's a. That is something that honestly, in my opinion, is good. So, like, if, if I think that.

Noah Wall (45:04)

Trump has been on the road for the last six weeks in foreign countries, I think he's been hearing from a lot of CEOs. I think he's back. I think we need to tell him what the American people think very clearly on this.

Seamus Coughlin (45:16)

Totally agreed. And one thing we got to remember about Trump, we admire him because he realizes you can just do things. We get upset with him because he also realizes you can just say things. And Trump will just say things sometimes times. And we gotta call him out and say, not what we voted for, not what we're looking for, not what we're interested in.

Phil Labonte (45:37)

He's not an ideologue. He doesn't have some kind of. He doesn't have an ideological plan for what's going on. He wants to do things that are going to make him look good. And the things that will make him look good as a president is having a successful country.

Seamus Coughlin (45:51)

Well, yeah. And I'll say this. If there's any shot of Donald Trump ever hearing this or anyone hearing this, who's near him or who speaks to him. The people who are telling you that we need more H1BS. The people who are telling you we need more IVF. The people who are telling you that we need more immigrants. The people who are telling you to abandon your base. Just remember this, Your base loves you. Even when they're disappointed in you and unhappy about these things. These people telling you to do this stuff, they hate you. Even when you do what they want, you can't go along with them. You got to give the voters what they voted for.

Ian Crossland (46:23)

I don't think. Think that American equals better. That's not the way it works. If you.

Seamus Coughlin (46:27)

That's not the argument.

Phil Labonte (46:28)

America was foreign workers.

Seamus Coughlin (46:30)

It's. But it's. It's. No, no, no, it's not a question of does American equal better? Like, as in, are Americans intrinsically more valuable as human beings? It's who are you rooting for? Are you reading Rooting for the people who elected you and the people you were elected to govern, or are you rooting for foreigners?

Ian Crossland (46:46)

Well, if I could get you a tutor, and it was the best tutor, was like an Indian guy guy. Why would I. Why wouldn't I get you the Indian guy? And we have legal precedent for it.

Seamus Coughlin (46:55)

If you could give me the best. Well, this is an argument for meritocracy, but the reality is it's just not the case that you're automatically going to find a better person who's not American to do the job automatically.

Noah Wall (47:05)

When we found all, like the last six months, the amount of H1B fraud is showing that the companies that are using this program are cheating the system that was set up up to allow for H1BS to fill jobs that there were not Americans to do. The fact that they have to cheat shows that there are Americans to do it. So, to be quite frank, I think that is an argument for, you know, if you want to change, like, if you want to change the immigration system and set up, you know, there's a lot of other immigration programs other than H1B. But quite frankly, like, the fact that they're cheating on this is showing, you know, I mean, Palmer Lucky talks about the amount of fraud that he's seen in San Francisco and in Silicon Valley on this. The fact that they're cheating on it shows that it is not as being presented.

Phil Labonte (47:53)

And one thing we have to keep in mind about H1BS, the H1B visa is tied to a job. So if a person gets brought in on an H1B visa, the employer has a lot of power over the person. So if you're on an H1B visa and you're like, I don't. And your boss comes and says, we need you to work this way weekend, you're not going to say no. You say, okay, and that even if you're on salary, right, you're going to do what they say. Because if your boss gets bummed out with you, he's going be like, all right, well, you're fired. And then you'll have to go back to wherever you're from.

Ian Crossland (48:23)

Unless you're an intrinsic part of the company.

Phil Labonte (48:24)

Pardon me.

Ian Crossland (48:25)

Unless you're an intrinsic part of the company, like a software developer.

Phil Labonte (48:29)

A second. Again, you're talking about H1Bs as if they're O1s.

Ian Crossland (48:33)

No, no. Software developers, for instance. You can't just fire your developers.

Seamus Coughlin (48:36)

Oh, yeah, you can.

Ian Crossland (48:36)

I mean, good luck. If you want to take six months.

Phil Labonte (48:38)

Months off, you can afford it. You can. And replace them with someone else if they're not skilled. It's that easy, though.

Ian Crossland (48:44)

Have you run a company, A software company?

Phil Labonte (48:45)

That's not a software company, but I've run companies. And yes, you can. You absolutely can. If you're a big. If you're a big company.

Ian Crossland (48:52)

I ran a software company, brother.

Phil Labonte (48:54)

It's not that easy, Ian. The point is, it's the leverage. It's the threat. You're going to have this person that's like, oh, man, if I don't do what he says, I could lose my job. And if I lose my job, I'll get sent home. It's more than just losing the job to the person that you're talking about. You're talking about they're losing their income and being sent out of the US and so it doesn't matter if they actually do get fired and if they have to replace them. The point is he has far more leverage than. Than a boss does over an employee that's already an American citizen. And that leverage is what. Is what will make the person say, well, I got to do what they say, even whether they want to or not.

Brett Dasovic (49:30)

It's the same leverage they're talking about when they were talking about illegal aliens getting deported. Because they work for these companies under the table and they have no rights because they don't have the same protections that you work. I do. It's just giving the. It's just another layer of giving the companies power over their employees.

Ian Crossland (49:45)

You're making a good point, Phil, that it does kind of put the worker at a disadvantage. Even more so. And you're also making an extremely good point, Noah, that it's being defrauded. The system's being defrauded. That's like, what? Yeah, not just shut. I'm not just saying just shut it down. But what I am.

Noah Wall (49:59)

Yeah. My problem with all of. My problem with the immigration and, like, the reason that I side with, frankly, the American people who keep.

Brett Dasovic (50:07)

Keep.

Noah Wall (50:07)

Every time they have an opportunity, they vote for the guy who wants to restrict immigration. And I don't. I don't think that it's. The American people are xenophobic. I don't think it's that the American people have a problem with immigrants. I think it's the fact that they've been lied to by every person on the immigration debate. For the last 40 years, they keep getting promised, okay, we'll do this amnesty and then we'll build the wall. We will do, you know, you know, we'll do amnesty first and then we'll do border security second. Second. And they have been lied to over and over and over again. And I think the dishonesty has led to what we have now, which is like, hey, guys, like, come on, like finally, like, we've got to stop. And I, it's, it's because of the dishonesty. And so, like, because the American people are like God, like God loving, amazing people. And the fact that like, what we're going through right now is a result of blatant dishonesty through the entire system. And I think that's what the people want fixed more than anything else.

Brett Dasovic (51:05)

Not just dishonesty, but they've actually been made to be seen as bad people. If they don't, that's the worst way. Not only are they, not only have they been lied to for the last 40 years now the argument has gotten so bad that if you believe in borders at all, you're a bad person.

Seamus Coughlin (51:17)

Racist.

Phil Labonte (51:19)

That's the argument the left has done, you know. Yeah, consistently.

Noah Wall (51:22)

Every policy and Republicans before Trump.

Phil Labonte (51:25)

Yeah, fair enough. Okay. But that's because the Republicans are afraid of, of. Yes, you don't want to, they don't want to step out of line because the Democrats are going to call them racist. The, the fact that the American people cannot engage in argument because the Democrats are just going to say, well, you're a bad person, this is a moral argument, et cetera. That's a terrible thing for the country because then you can't actually get people that will debate ideas. It's all about just ad hominem attacks. You don't like this policy, you want to kill children. You don't like this policy, it's because you're a racist. You don't like this policy, it's because you're an Islamophobe. You don't like this policy. It's because you're. Because it's always these attacks against these ad hominem attacks as opposed to saying, well, what are the actual arguments here? Nobody steel mans anyone's arguments when it comes to policymaking and that is bad for America.

Ian Crossland (52:14)

You know, I think Trump went in America first, the second term particularly, and the first term, but then now he's more liberal. Economic order first. Like, he's really trying to preserve Israel, our hegemony over the Suez, that whole Middle east thing, not that he wants war but that he's more global mind right now. And this H1B thing has been used for 40 years for the world to disrupt and destroy liberalism in the United States to. It sounds like they've really corrupted this and they want to use people's compassion to be like, what do you, you can't just get rid of visas. That would destroy our heritage, what we've built our ethos upon. But he's more like, bro, we're a world government. Like this is a world. The economics is everywhere. You can't just like borders, yeah, we, you can set up machine gun nests but like you can't, you know, it's like you can call him on the phone across the, you can video chat, you can, you can, you know, video conference. That's what it seems like is that he's more globally mindsetted right now.

Seamus Coughlin (53:10)

Do you think, here's a question. Do you think when some of these things come out, it's because Trump is trying to pick his battles and he doesn't think he's going to be able to achieve something or wants to focus on something else, but he needs to brand everything as a victory. So he just says, I wanted this the whole time. Time.

Brett Dasovic (53:25)

I mean, that speaks to his ego if that's true.

Seamus Coughlin (53:27)

Yeah, no, I'm just curious. I'm spitballing here. I'm just musing as they say.

Ian Crossland (53:30)

He does like saying that he's always, he does like promoting himself as not making mistakes and getting it right. Like the, the COVID stuff. He did a lot of that with COVID The way that was handled. I mean they printed what, 7 trillion. Maybe it wasn't his administration, but the stuff he had set up and kind of greenlighted and he, he, yeah, he, he. But I don't know, I don't know. To answer your question, I can't really think him.

Seamus Coughlin (53:52)

Yeah. Well, speaking of COVID and a lot of extra cash being injected to the economy and some of the fallout from that, Trump, according to Yahoo News, is downplaying economic woes as partisans spin, saying costs are way down. President President Donald Trump said the US Economy is strong and insisted polls showing Americans are feeling economic pain are fake. During an interview on Fox News that aired on Monday night, Trump said bad news about the economy amounted to a con job by the Democrats. Adding Democrats feed major news network and anchors with the message the economy is bad. And then every anchor does exactly what.

Brett Dasovic (54:27)

They say, that is cope, that is 110%. So there's.

Phil Labonte (54:31)

Yeah, there's well, there's two things here, because he is right about the way that news is presented regarding his administration and the way news is presented regarding anything, basically anything Donald Trump, Donald Trump touches. But at the same time, the idea that you can argue with people, people that are, that are suffering, that are struggling, people that can't pay their bills, people that can't afford groceries, if I understand correctly, defaults are going up on credit card bills. There's record highs on defaults on car loans. People are starting to default on their, on their rent and their mortgages and stuff like that. That kind of stuff you can't argue with. You can't say the economy's great and then look at the numbers and say, look, defaults are going up. People aren't, aren't able to pay their bills. They, these are, these are, these statistics do not lie. And so Donald Trump is just gonna say, hey, they're wrong. The American people are gonna say, he doesn't give a crap about us. Well, also know what's actually going on. He doesn't care about us.

Seamus Coughlin (55:29)

Well, and you also can't say the economy is great after you've been talking about the need for 50 year mortgages and 15 year auto loans and everyone receiving a $2,000 stimulus check. Listen, the stimulus check thing, at the very least, maybe you can make the argument, well, well, we've been robbed by these other countries and the tariffs have delivered some of the money back to us. I'll give it back to the people. Sure, maybe that's a separate conversation, but when you're talking about needing to make people debt slaves to banks for far longer periods of time than they've ever had to be to purchase things that people were able to purchase without having to give that kind of interest money to banks and burn that kind of capital, no, you can't turn around and say the economy is actually great.

Ian Crossland (56:04)

Speaking of him giving $2,000 checks, stimulus checks with tariff money, that's wealth distribution. That's him taking my money because prices have been jacked up due to tariffs, tariffs and giving it to somebody else. That's communist socialist behavior. It's disgusting. It's shocking that he even thought of it.

Phil Labonte (56:20)

It's crazy. That's been the standard for ever and ever, to be honest with you.

Ian Crossland (56:26)

I mean, like the unemployment tax.

Phil Labonte (56:27)

Exactly what, that's, that's what they did when they started printing, printing all the money that, that has created the income inequality that everyone's experiencing.

Seamus Coughlin (56:34)

Well, you know, Ian wants to end what. Well, you know, Ian wants to end the Fed gradually.

Ian Crossland (56:37)

He's going to agree with you and then some suddenly.

Phil Labonte (56:39)

But I mean, I, I, I am actually fond of the idea of ending the Federal Reserve as well. But you know, when they start printing money and people that have things, you know, they, they can take out, they have good credit, they have assets, they can take out loans at.012% and then they put it into the stock market and the stock market returns are 10, 15% per year. They're making, you know, 12, 13 on this money that they, that they borrowed. And all it's doing is Siddharth sitting in the stock market because they bought stock with it and they just make a bunch of money off of this loan because the government kept interest rates so cheap.

Seamus Coughlin (57:13)

I want Noah to have a chance because he's been trying to get in here.

Noah Wall (57:15)

Yeah, well, so this takes me, you know, we talked, we mentioned earlier the loss of Charlie Kirk. Charlie's last interview that he did with Tucker Carlson, he went on there with a single message. That message was, the American youth are suffering. They are facing challenges that no other generation has faced. And this is a crisis and we need to make this our top priority as a nation. And he didn't bring that because everything was going well. He brought that because he, you know, he actually, he talked about, and he was visibly frustrated on that in that conversation with Tucker where he's like, I try to tell boomers that this and they will not listen.

Seamus Coughlin (58:02)

Yeah.

Noah Wall (58:02)

And he broke down, you know, the fact that the, you know, this was just out the other day. We had a, you know, new story. The median age of first time, I mean, so first time home buyers are now 40 years old. The median age of all home buyers is 60. And I mean, so like we're talking like that is an insane statistic. The amount of debt that kids are getting into when they get out of college is, I mean, it's absolutely astonishing. But then you go down the fact that, I mean, you know, they're doing buy now, pay later, I'm buying, you know, Chipotle. I mean that, I mean, it's absolutely. So he brought this, he felt that it was a critical issue. I think that we owe it to Charlie to keep talking about that because, I mean, that crisis is not going away until we solve it. And government caused basically every single problem that Charlie listed.

Brett Dasovic (58:57)

And yeah, this is one of those things that I've brought up a bunch of times being that like, first of all, they have a problem because they don't really have somebody to take over after Trump leaves office. There isn't a guaranteed candidate that really feels like he's waiting in the wings and the youth are upset, and it feels like a race against. So right now, men and women are voting on party lines in a lot of ways. Men have been voting conservative because they feel like or are voting Republican because they feel like the Democrats have absolutely nothing for them. But that only lasts so long if the economy gets so bad. All it takes is one very charismatic Democrat to pull men who are desperate back to that side of the aisle if all they do is gather enough power and enough influence within the party to be able to stave off the anti men, anti white part of the, of the coalition there. And that could happen. Now, maybe we're talking about Mamdani in New York City. And if you don't think that it's possible that you get another charismatic Mamdani type that can run for governor, you know, can run for president because he can't, it's very much possible. And that could happen. And they don't have an argument against that. I made a joke last. I. I'm like half joking when I said like this. You just run Fetterman, because everybody, like, he, you know, like, I saw something today saying like, he's considering switching parties. And people are like, you know, he should. And even if he doesn't, he, we need at least one sane Democrat. Like, literally all they need is, like, one sane Democrat, and there is a whole bunch of people in the middle who are, would be very willing to vote the other because they're not getting what they want right now from the Republicans.

Seamus Coughlin (60:27)

Well, here's the problem. And this is something the Democrats have been wrestling with to an extent since Trump's first election, but especially since his last election. They keep saying, how do we reach young men? How do we reach young men? How do we reach young men? And of course, what they're saying is, how do we continue to treat young men this way and still get them to vote for us? And now the right is actually starting to ask that exact same question. This occurred to me just the other day. Day that basically, anytime you hear the question, how do we reach young men? What you're really being asked is, how do I get young men to obey? Not how do I give them a message that works? Not how do I change circumstances to make the world friendlier to them so they can start families? And not how do we genuinely change our policies in such a way that appeals to them? But what kind of language should we use to get them over. Like how do we get around Joe Rogan? How do we get someone who appeals to them? Young men know that they're going to have more trouble starting families than their, their parents said they're going to have more trouble getting homes. As you mentioned, the Median home buyer 40 years old, that, that age has only gone up and up over the years. So the Democrats are fundamentally incapable of offering up any solutions that are going to appeal to young men because they all hate their dad a lot. And that's, that's actually what they see in the young men that they talk to. I'm serious. Any young man who wants to start a family, family, they see their father in him and they hate him. And so even on an abstract political level, they have to do things that are fundamentally anti man. The Republicans are like 5050 there. We've widened the tent so there's like a lot of dad haters in the party now too, to be totally blunt. And so I think we need to try to rescue the Republican Party from that mentality and from that. How do we make the Green line go up even at the expense of human well being and new families getting started?

Brett Dasovic (62:12)

I think the problem is that the economy can get bad enough where it doesn't matter anymore, where they'll vote for their financial well being in the future rather than on gendered lines if things get bad enough the way things they are. And what is the Republican solution to that right now? 50 year mortgages.

Seamus Coughlin (62:26)

Yeah.

Brett Dasovic (62:27)

Lying about grocery prices going down when everybody knows that that's not true and pretending like everything's hunky dory when it's definitely not. Like there aren't solutions there from either side. They're basically surviving on the fact that the left is freaking awful at speaking to men. But that eventually won't keep if things.

Noah Wall (62:44)

Won'T keep next year. I mean we have midterm elections coming. We all know that Trump voters don't come out to vote in midterm elections. We already know that they're especially not going to come out if Republicans are putting off, you know, I mean the problem and the reason that we have not seen Republicans take action, you know, and I'm not going to be fair to them, but I will for a second. These, the solutions are hard, right? So like why are home prices up so much? Because you know, New York City, where Mondami just got elected, collected one third of rented apartments in that city are, are price controlled. I mean, so we are talking about either people who are Part of like Section 8 housing, whatever the state and local version is of section 8 plus rent controlled apartments, those are one third of all units. You want to lower prices, you got to get rid of that welfare. I mean like so you know, because the people that are suffering are the people who like are just above of, you know, that, you know, being qualified for those programs. We have got to tackle the hard problems that, that frankly are causing the unaffordability. Republicans, I don't think have the guts and that's what's really concerning.

Seamus Coughlin (63:55)

Well, I think you're right. Any problem that is going to require short term pain to solve and will take more than four years to sort itself out is something no politician is going to actually touch and they'll just throw band aids over it. And that's the exact case with the housing market. Market. Look man, this is going to be dark and I hate saying this, not trying to, not trying to upset or offend anyone, you know, and I, I know I never do that. But there is basically no way to ensure that young men can buy houses and start families other than allowing for an actual market correction to happen, which on paper is going to look awful for the economy in which everyone is going to say is a bad thing. But it's is probably an important step in promoting the growth of new American families the other way. And I'm not saying I'm not. And by the way, I'm not saying we go out of a way to engineer that or do anything that would negatively affect the prices of housing. I think we just have to let the market sort itself out. And if the prices come down, you let them come down. Instead of saying, oh my gosh, we need to love for there to be these 50 year mortgages so that we can extend buying power so that people can purchase more house than they're able to afford. Afford traditionally based on their income level. Well then what's the result of that? Prices don't come down.

Ian Crossland (65:05)

The other thing other than a market correction that would solve the problem is a reduction in cost.

Seamus Coughlin (65:09)

Well, that's what, that's what a market correction is.

Ian Crossland (65:11)

No, just buy cheaper fuel, like going to a hydrogen fuel system, something.

Seamus Coughlin (65:14)

Oh yeah, yeah, that's fair.

Ian Crossland (65:17)

A correction would be like a market crash and then the dollar, it requires a million dollars to buy a hamburger and everyone with bitcoin now becomes the norm. And all these other. It'd be like 120 million people on the street begging for food. And then the Bitcoin would be the one world currency where they track you, the tracking. So the market correction would be a very bad thing for society right now, I think reducing cost with technology and another industrial revolution. But you don't see a lot of that talk in politics because a lot of times maybe they're just not at the intellectual level or they're just too focused on getting votes. Like you were saying.

Seamus Coughlin (65:54)

Well, that's what I'm saying. The system doesn't.

Ian Crossland (65:56)

How do we get young men to, to vote for me? It's rather how do I actually inspire young men? We'll show them the solution.

Seamus Coughlin (66:01)

Well, that's exactly right. And, and like I mentioned, we just don't have a system that's conducive to solving problems that take more than four years to solve and that require short term pain and just a slight disagreement. Slash correction. A market correction wouldn't necessarily mean a crash, just a reduction. But I think you're right that there's other. What do you mean, what wouldn't have to be a total crash of the prices in the housing market. It would just be a decrease and it could even be a gradual decrease. But it probably needs to happen. I'm not saying it will.

Phil Labonte (66:27)

I'm skeptical that, that a correction would not lead to a crash.

Seamus Coughlin (66:31)

Because, because I'm not, I, I agree with you. I'm just saying it's not impossible. I'm saying they're not the same thing.

Phil Labonte (66:36)

That's not, I'm not talking about a crash of just the housing market. Right, right now we've got a dollar bubble. Like it's an everything bubble. The stock market is in a bubble because of the, the, all of the money that was, that's been printed. All the people are just buying stock with free money. Like there's a, there's an everything bubble right now. So a correction in the housing market could turn into an economy wide crash. And it's very, very dangerous.

Ian Crossland (66:57)

And just for, for semantic. A crash would be a. Not all corrections.

Seamus Coughlin (67:02)

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. Well, speaking of which, speaking of economic crashes from the post, Millennial socialist Katie Wilson wins election for Seattle mayor, defeating Democratic incumbent Bruce Harrell after a late vote count. Hilson describes herself as a socialist and her win is a rejection of the moderate leadership that the city once saw. Socialist Katie Wilson has defeated Democratic incumbent Bruce Harrell to become Seattle's next mayor. The election, which occurred on November 4, saw Harrel by seven points, but Wilson redistributed his vote. Now Wilson gained ground over a week later as mail in ballots continued. Okay, so maybe she did redistribute. No, I don't know. You know, that's a joke. YouTube. We're just joshing around here. Just a bunch of fellas making jokes. The latest ballot count on Nov. 12 showed Wilson leading by nearly 2,000 votes. Enough for the race to be called for the socialist barista with 50.08% to Harold's 49.59%. So what do you guys think of this, you big fans?

Phil Labonte (68:02)

This just speaks to the, to the argument that we've been making, like, if you don't have an economy that works for people, specifically for young people, then they're not going to think, oh, I can buy into a capitalist society. The reason this is the second major city in this particular election season that has elected a socialist who said. At least has said, I am going to institute policies that are supposed to help you. And it's not like they defeated a republic Republican, you know, both of them defeated Democrats. Cuomo, even though he was running as an independent, he was a Democrat and he'd been a Democrat, I believe, all of his life. And this, the socialist defeated the Democrat in Seattle. These, these elections bode very, very badly for the United States. Young people do not buy into our system, and we need to fix that. We need to do something. The united. The federal government needs to do something to make sure that young people, people feel like they can actually engage in our system and will come out better for it.

Ian Crossland (69:06)

Yeah, this is like a pendulum swing from corporatocracy, where I don't know how much richer Amazon, Google got during the pandemic, how much richer Alphabet these come, you know, what is it? Nvidia and BlackRock buying housing now? These mega, you know, global megacorps own houses that should probably be owned by American citizens. So the people are like, just give me some socialism to fix this. I mean, if you can't stop corporations, what do you do? You have to band together as a society. And, and that's kind of communistic, you know, so.

Brett Dasovic (69:37)

Well, the problem is like, so for somebody like me, like, I get grossed out when people talk about wealth redistribution. I hate the idea that you think you should have any say over what somebody else does with their money or. And even worse, the idea that you can take money from them and imagine yourself the good guy. But for a lot of these people, they don't see a way out. And I understand, like, I'm in a lot of ways, I'm in the same boat. I'm. It's not like I live in a world now where the idea of owning a house is almost ridiculous. And you're like, look, I don't believe in it because at my core value I don't believe in taking from somebody else and then imagining that I'm the good guy. But for a lot of these people, they don't see any other path forward and you're going to get more elections like this in the future because they don't see a world where capitalism actually works.

Noah Wall (70:20)

Well, I guess I have a, I don't know, you know, devil's advocate question here. What does a socialist mean in Seattle? I mean, the city that she's a moderate. Yeah, like. Like what? You know, Mondami was like, so we knew with him it was the. He's going to have the government grocery stores. I think people understand, like that's, that seems like a pretty dumb idea. But like, like Seattle, like I visited in the last five years, like it seemed to me pretty socialist already. So I'm actually curious what that means.

Seamus Coughlin (70:53)

Yeah, it just means they're going to accelerate the collapse.

Noah Wall (70:55)

Sure.

Ian Crossland (70:56)

Same thing.

Brett Dasovic (70:56)

When I, when I say capitalism, I'm not even necessarily referencing that specifically because we just had a whole discussion about how government and big business get together and do things like H1B visas. Right. That's not capitalism. That's cronyism at best. But they don't understand that. They don't understand there's a difference between those ideals. All they see is a media where a bunch of millionaires have othered the idea of the billionaire and turned them into a class of person that's worthy of disdain because they're, that's the haves and the have nots and they're going.

Ian Crossland (71:26)

To keep fighting about the idea that.

Phil Labonte (71:29)

Property is something that is attainable. Has to be an idea that's tangible and real to you.

Seamus Coughlin (71:35)

Yes.

Phil Labonte (71:35)

And that's the one that, that's the point. Right. Young people nowadays don't ever expect to own their own home. If you live in a city, you don't own a car, you probably have some kind of public rely on public transit or whatever. So the idea of property has to be something that young people can actually.

Noah Wall (71:51)

And like and yes, ownership. I mean, because if you're financing a burrito, it means, means that you like legit. You must not really think money's real at that.

Phil Labonte (72:02)

Yeah.

Noah Wall (72:03)

This must all be like a game. You have no investment in accumulation in long term. At that point you're dealing with, I think a really sad state of affairs that we morally, if we have the power to do it, we have got to change course, even if it's painful.

Ian Crossland (72:24)

Phil, when you're talking about, about property ownership and how important that is to give young people hope to own property, I agree. But the problem I'm seeing is if BlackRock owns 10 million houses, like I'm kind of open to the idea of seizing the property from blackrock and giving it back to the American people.

Phil Labonte (72:39)

I'm not, I'm not. And the reason I'm not is because if you seize property you destroy investment. Okay? But the problem if you're going to seize property from either companies or from, from people, then people that have capital capital are not going to invest their capital. And this is what happens in socialist societies when you nationalize things. When the government takes property from private ownership, then people that have capital are like I'm not going to invest my money because the government will take it. So that was the argument that was made in New York. Kevin Leary made the argument why am I gonna try to build something when I know that the government is likely.

Ian Crossland (73:18)

To just take it? I guess it's just a difference between I wouldn't advocate taking it from a person or a small business or something but a mega these corporatocracy is like, it's a new function that is like how do you Prevent. Because if BlackRock owned every house in the United States, what I would say.

Noah Wall (73:32)

About BlackRock what I'd say about BlackRock I know a thing or two about the company. I bet you know my job. I've been going after them for years. There are multiple federal court cases at this point that have labeled BlackRock a monopoly. So I think that there is a strong case to be made to break blackrock up. Blackrock, Vanguard, State street. Those three have an absurd percentage of all of the investment like pension fund and other investment, you know, money in this country. We do have antitrust laws on the books. Those are long standing, you know and if we feel that they have exceeded, you know, the scale and they are a monopolistic actor that there are laws on the books to deal with that. So that's like one way that you can do it legally with like within the current framework of law an American.

Ian Crossland (74:23)

Antitrust suit be brought against a global corporation. Was headquarters in like Mumbai or something.

Noah Wall (74:28)

I mean it's a US Corporation. Like at the end of the day I think it's a headquartered in Delaware. Like we, they have, they have branches over.

Seamus Coughlin (74:34)

I got a.

Ian Crossland (74:36)

Corporation that got bought, it got Bought by Bayer, which is a British company because they had such bad press in the US to your.

Phil Labonte (74:42)

Point Ian, I would be far more. I would. I like the idea of antitrust laws and breaking a company up far more than I like the idea of seizing property.

Ian Crossland (74:53)

The problem with breaking up a company is what they did with Standard Oil, Rockefeller Standard Oil, they broke it up into like six or eight other oil companies. But Rockefeller still owned all those other companies. It just made them richer. So if you did that to BlackRock and now there's eight companies that own 30% of the housing, what's the difference?

Seamus Coughlin (75:07)

Well, here's the question. But Ian, I. Hold on, I got a spicy question.

Ian Crossland (75:10)

It's owned by itself. It's owned by its own investors, which it's crazy.

Seamus Coughlin (75:14)

I've got a very spicy question about this. So let's say that BlackRock only has a small percentage of real estate and a huge reason the price was driven up was because there were foreigners who were given handouts from taxpayers to be able to purchase houses. Would you be okay with seizing those houses to bring prices down and give.

Ian Crossland (75:34)

Them to say that again. Foreigners do.

Seamus Coughlin (75:36)

If it were the case that there were many people in our country who were noncitizens who are receiving specific benefits or were migrants who were natural centralized by activist judges or whatever who received houses or benefits at the expense of taxpayers and that drove the price of housing up, would you be okay with seizing their houses?

Ian Crossland (75:53)

No, I'm talking about mega corporations.

Seamus Coughlin (75:54)

So where. So only mega corporations at this moment.

Ian Crossland (75:57)

BlackRock buying the housing in the United States.

Brett Dasovic (75:58)

I think like 3 to 8% of homes are owned by corporations in this country.

Noah Wall (76:03)

I see, I see no reason why a city can't and I think they should put a you know, ordinance in. You know like there's no, in my understanding there's no constitutional barrier reason why a city, county or even state government couldn't say that. You know, because a residential home is a particular like designation that you know, residential homes could not be purchased by, you know, you could say an out of state corporation. I mean you could place some sort of cat. There's no reason why you couldn't pass a law to say that. And when you that to. To ban BlackRock from doing. Doing that or like to ban them from doing it in the future so they can't gain more. Like those are the types of things that are completely legal and constitutional that we could do.

Ian Crossland (76:47)

Would you put. Liquidate their assets, I. E. Take their corporations, put them on like a public market for Sale already publicly owned. No, no, take the, Take the apartment, take the houses from black.

Noah Wall (76:56)

You could prevent them from buying any more, which would, like. If you prevented them from buying any more, that would negate their entire business strategy and they'd probably end up selling and their strategies to get like, you know, to get a massive supply.

Brett Dasovic (77:10)

You brought up the idea of monopoly and breaking these companies up. Well, one of the things that David Zaslav said when the 2024 election was going on was that he, you know, he wasn't talking about who he was going to vote for, but he did say that Trump is pro business and pro acquisition for companies. One of the reasons why David Ellison was able to make Skydance and Paramount a reality, and one of the reasons they're considered a front runner for buying Warner Brothers is because that family has a strong relationship with Don Donald Trump, who is going to be pro business and allowing them to merge their companies, even if there are actual monopolistic concerns there. So again, that's more him playing to his donor class than his base.

Ian Crossland (77:47)

And like, would you become one with the Borg? Would you become one with the demon to. To preserve yourself? Oracle life?

Brett Dasovic (77:55)

The Oracle demon. Larry. Larry Ellison.

Phil Labonte (77:57)

I mean, you know, just the mass.

Ian Crossland (77:58)

Conglomeration as like the demon.

Phil Labonte (78:00)

You know, when you talk about just, you know, just blackrock or just the big companies, I can't help but think of the fact that, like, when the income tax was instituted, it was only 1%. You were like, no, no, we're not going to worry about small businesses and stuff and we wouldn't take the property from them. But when the income tax was, it was created, it was 1 or 2%. Only on the top, top, top earners. Now everybody pays 40%.

Seamus Coughlin (78:23)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (78:23)

So it's not, it's not a situation where you can just say, oh, this will actually be limited. You're saying the government is. If you allow the government to seize property just because you're going to see the government trying to seize more property.

Ian Crossland (78:37)

The intel buying into 10% of intel, like the government just bought 10% of Intel. That's like pure communism right there.

Phil Labonte (78:42)

That's. No, that's not pure communism. Pure communism would be the all of intel and then all of the other.

Ian Crossland (78:47)

It's a step towards pure communism. You're saying the slippery slope.

Phil Labonte (78:49)

But the government's already. The government has already done that. And the government has done that historically as well. Taking an interest in a particular industry because of national security. Security is different than saying, we're going to expropriate. All of your property because you own too much.

Ian Crossland (79:04)

I think that blackrock, State street and Vanguard are a unique formation on the planet that needs to be dealt with. It's not just a corporation. You could call it something other than corporation. You know, they're hiding behind that term and legal function right now. But how can three companies own 22% of the stock market? Who owns those companies? Who are those people? Their names aren't even public.

Noah Wall (79:25)

So, yeah, I mean, mean, so the people who, yeah, who owns them? I mean, so if you actually look at, you know, where, like, where's, you know, they're like, they manage something like BlackRock's like 11 trillion. Now it is pension funds globally. Like they have a massive. And pension funds are where all the biggest pools of capital on the planet are. You know, like Republican states have like a couple trillion dollars of investment fund. You know, you have California, New York and other blue states are another 2 or 3 trillion dollars. European governments, their pension funds are another 5 or 6 trillion dollars. So I mean, where the biggest pools of capital are literally public pension funds. And the funny thing about it is because none of the individuals who have their pensions really have any idea where the money's invested. It's just in a pension. So it creates this thing where, yes, it's all invested in the stock market, but none of the individuals who own that understand it. Which is why you end up with the situation that you described with Black. Well, who owns BlackRock? The pensioners who have no idea what they own. It's a very weird situation. I do think, you know, getting back to the point I made before, I think that there, you know, there was a Houston judge earlier this year called BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, I mean, essentially monopolistic actors. And I think we're in a situation where like, you know, it's pretty clear, like, you know, I think we do need to be calling for something like that.

Ian Crossland (80:54)

We have to, because otherwise we're going to see communism and socialism in an actual, actual seizure of properties eventually. Like if people are homeless on the street and some corporation owns 90% of the houses on a block, those people are just going to go break into the houses and squat and take them. So, like we could do it if we can do it legally and peacefully, I think that's important.

Phil Labonte (81:11)

I mean, if your argument is use a little socialism to prevent a lot of socialism, I do think that the. I do think that the situation will eventually devolve into socialism either way, like.

Seamus Coughlin (81:23)

Anti social, anti choice level of regulation that Makes sense. Sense. But don't you think there's some level of regulation that makes sense?

Phil Labonte (81:30)

Like you were saying? Like we were saying the idea of using existing antitrust laws, I'm comfortable with that. Breaking up a company that, I think.

Ian Crossland (81:40)

That that's something that's really the multinational aspect that's new, that makes antitrust laws almost malfunct.

Phil Labonte (81:46)

I don't agree with you.

Noah Wall (81:47)

But domestically they are effectively, I mean they, there's like three actors that control, you know, a massive percentage of the market domestic. I think you can make an antitrust case for it. I'm not, I'm not like an antitrust attorney. Like, you know, like that's not, that's not my specialty. But you know, my point is there have been judges who've referred to them that way. I think that they, you know, I think that we need to, I think the American people need to start raising the alarm on that which would require.

Brett Dasovic (82:16)

And the thing is, I think what the point is, like you're, you're talking about a fast solution that's a little bit of socialism. But the problem is, is the slow solution, like antitrust takes forever and these companies have unlimited money to bury it in lawsuits. They're the only ones that have the possibility of taking on the US Government possibly winning recently.

Noah Wall (82:34)

I mean, you know, so the ESG pension fund issue, like there have been lawsuits that have gone against, you know, corporations on that. So I, you know, I'm not, I'm not a black pillar on this. I think we can solve it. I think, I bet we need to actually like, we need to collectively like start saying this, you know, consistently. We need to raise that alarm.

Brett Dasovic (82:54)

There's a cultural issue around this here where, you know, the, the young people who are upset about all these things, they, they go back and forth, especially on social media with people from older generations who tell them to drink, you know, make your coffee at home and you'll be able to buy a house one day completely divorced from the reality of the world we live in now. Even if you're going the college route, you know what it costs to send somebody to college for debt that they're never going to be able to rep. They get their 50 year mortgage. Like I said before, there's just, there is so much black pilling amongst the youth because they're get like every generation before them said we need to make the world better for our children. And the kids growing up now are being told by those that came before them, deal with it and you know, pick yourself up by the bootstraps.

Seamus Coughlin (83:36)

And the reality is, there was a time when that was good advice. They're operating in a completely different world like that. That generation is used to a completely different world where that advice made real, really good sense. It's like that meme, the world you were raised to grow up and no longer exists or whatever. I mean, that's true. There was a time when, yes, just setting aside some extra money from, you know, luxuries you might have purchased instead could probably save you enough for a down payment for a house or whatever. We're. It's just. That's not the case anymore. But we do get. We really got to go to the next story.

Ian Crossland (84:06)

Okay, cool.

Seamus Coughlin (84:06)

Sorry. We really got to go to the next story here. This is a fun one. A judge orders the release of 600 migrants swept up in ICE's Midway Blitz operating in Chicago. So we just saw yesterday that Trump was informing us that crime had dropped, because, believe it or not, putting the people who commit crimes in cages stops them from being able to commit crimes outside those cages. And the socioeconomic factors didn't grab other people and force them to commit the crimes. But some judge decided that they were going to release a bunch of the people who were swept up in that blitz. And by the way, you might claim these things are unrelated.

Brett Dasovic (84:44)

And.

Seamus Coughlin (84:44)

And, you know, yes, this is Midway Blitz, but these are migrants and not necessarily people who are out breaking the law. No, come on. These are, in many cases, the same people. People who come out of the country illegally, don't respect our nation's laws. We also know that most crimes are committed by repeat offenders, or at the very least, that a huge percentage of crime is committed by repeat offenders. And if you lock those people up, they stop. Or if you send them out of your country, they stop. But we're gonna read the opening of this article. More than 600 people who are arrested by ICE as part of its Operation Midway Blitz in Chicago are to be released. A federal judge has ordered. District Judge Jeff Cummings issued the release order on Wednesday morning, following a lawsuit brought by civil rights groups against ice and a U.S. customs and Border Patrol. I mean, in the civil rights regime is just insane. Literally, anything anyone does to try to protect the country can somehow be called racism by someone, and they're going to claim it's a civil rights violation. This idea of the left calling everything racist when they don't like it, it has broader implications than rhetorical effectiveness or ineffectiveness. Once the words lose their power. Power. This is actually something that's brought to a matter of law. At least 615 people are to be released by Friday, Nov. 15, and must make bond by Nov. 21. The order stated the lawsuit brought by the National Immigrant Justice Center. They're not immigrants. They're illegal alien invaders. But I digress. And the ACLU alleged that federal agents violated a 2022 settlement agreement over warrantless arrests in Chicago and the surrounding area. What do you guys think of this story? What do you think is going to happen to Chicago as a result of these migrants being released or these illegal aliens that. That ICE arrested being. I mean, alleged illegal aliens? I suppose, to be clear, allegedly, maybe there's someone who was or some of them were. I don't know the legal status of the people arrested is what I'm saying. I assume that ICE goes out and arrests people who aren't here legally. I don't know the basis for the lawsuit.

Brett Dasovic (86:30)

Trump has, like a fantastic argument to the people calling him racist. Now. He's. They're like, you know, you're a racist. You're having all these people arrested. Have you seen how many H1B visas I'm bringing in? Like, how can you like that blow their minds, right? The average Democrats is like, oh, my gosh, he's actually bringing people in from other countries. They must all be from Eastern Europe, because he would only bring white people in.

Seamus Coughlin (86:50)

This is the real great replacement, is just replacing the people they deport with H1BS. Like, you go, you come in, you.

Brett Dasovic (86:56)

Were wrong the whole time.

Seamus Coughlin (86:57)

That's right.

Noah Wall (86:57)

Yeah. Well, what I will say about, you know, I think there's two major points. The, the people who file these lawsuits to the National Immigration justice center and the aclu. These people do not care one lick, you know, the status of the people. Their point, their strategy is coordinated. We knew what the strategy was going to be. It's the same strategy they always have to slow Trump down to Nick Adam with a thousand lawsuits in every single jurisdiction he's doing this in. Their goal is to do this day in and day out to break down their resolve. And I hope Tom Homan and Stephen Miller and the good people in the Trump administration immigration, wake up tomorrow more, you know, more fired up than ever to keep this going because their strategy is to use the NGO swarm on the left that I bet we could look up and see a ton of ton of government money going to the National Immigration Justice Center. We are funding our own demise here. And I think that we need to do a better job of keeping up the Keeping up the pressure.

Seamus Coughlin (87:57)

Well, one question I have is, like, when we're talking about the immigration issue and people who didn't come here, like, legally, like, are they illegal aliens or are they just friends we haven't made yet?

Phil Labonte (88:06)

They're illegal aliens?

Ian Crossland (88:08)

Depends on what reality you step into.

Seamus Coughlin (88:10)

That's right.

Ian Crossland (88:11)

Different dimensions. There's different answers.

Seamus Coughlin (88:12)

Yeah, that's a fair point. Well, yeah. Federal judge from alternate dimension rules that Trump must halt arrest of illegal allies. Yeah. Like you said, they're just going to do death by a thousand paper cuts. They're going to try to prevent the administration from operating or governing with any level of effectiveness. Very frustrating. Talos. All this time, I think I couldn't have said it better than you did. We just hope that some of the people in his administration who are known for being bulldogs actually stand up against this and get something done, because this is getting really ridiculous.

Ian Crossland (88:36)

Do you think there's justification for martial law in situations like this?

Seamus Coughlin (88:41)

I guess it depends on what you mean. Like, do I like the idea of martial law? No. But also, does the federal government have a right or role or responsibility to prevent states that are literally usurping the role of the federal government by disobeying its laws?

Noah Wall (88:56)

We've literally done this before.

Seamus Coughlin (88:58)

Yeah.

Noah Wall (88:58)

I mean, you know, so we had some states in the. The south, not West Virginia, but other states that decided that they didn't want to listen to the President of the United States. And there were some pretty big repercussions for that. You know, one of them being, you know, actually, you know, actually going in. You know, I mean, that the entire 20, 30 year period of Reconstruction was an effort to resolve a lot of these problems. More recently, the 1950s and 1960s during the Civil rights rights era, you know, we had Eisenhower, we had JFK sent ton. I mean, he sent. He mobilized the National Guard, sent them in when they had cities that were doing things far less subversive than what Chicago and a bunch of these other cities have done. There's a ton of legal precedent for the President to do exactly what he's doing, in fact, to escalate it.

Ian Crossland (89:49)

And I guess that wasn't really martial law when they were sending the.

Noah Wall (89:53)

Not martial law law, but I mean, but using federal authority when cities were, you know, just straight up, you know, disobeying, you know, federal law.

Ian Crossland (90:02)

Martial law, I guess I shouldn't soften that term because that would be like curfew at 6pm if you're out, you might get shot. If you're out after Six, that kind of energy. I don't want that world to be like that. I don't feel.

Noah Wall (90:10)

It hasn't been that way since COVID when the demo. When Tim Walls put in a curfew in Minneapolis. There's those videos. Do you remember these?

Seamus Coughlin (90:19)

No.

Noah Wall (90:20)

Like, of the cops walking down the street during COVID telling people to get back inside.

Ian Crossland (90:25)

In China, they had.

Noah Wall (90:26)

I think they had China and Minneapolis. Oh, yeah.

Brett Dasovic (90:29)

In the hotline, you could call to rat out your neighbors.

Ian Crossland (90:31)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, that was only.

Noah Wall (90:34)

A few years ago.

Seamus Coughlin (90:35)

Yeah, exactly. I mean, nothing that Trump could do. I mean, I won't say nothing. All right, then I'll end up being surprised. But there isn't that much that Trump could conceivably do that would be more draconian than the COVID lockdown. Lockdowns, Yeah.

Ian Crossland (90:48)

I used to call them shutdowns because we never were forced to stay inside. They just told us to stay inside.

Seamus Coughlin (90:52)

Kind of stayed. Forced to stay in certain areas. They had curfews.

Noah Wall (90:55)

I mean, the Democrats. I mean, the Democrats, they were. I mean, Newsom was arresting people, going to the beach. They were actually doing it in the blue states. I mean, I think. I think lockdown was appropriate there.

Ian Crossland (91:07)

Like, in the.

Brett Dasovic (91:08)

In.

Ian Crossland (91:08)

In China, from what I heard, they would weld people into their houses, like, literally lock. Lock them inside.

Noah Wall (91:14)

So Britain was. I think, like, I. It's. You know, I mean, there's been a lot that's been said about that, but in. In the uk, I mean, they had people. They had to download an app, and if they went more than three blocks from their house, like, for. For, like, they were only allowed outside their house for, like, 90 minutes a day.

Ian Crossland (91:33)

So would you be comfortable with that? For a situation of, like, getting illegal immigrants out of.

Seamus Coughlin (91:37)

We wouldn't need a lot.

Noah Wall (91:38)

I don't think we need to do that. No, I don't think. I don't think. No, I don't. I mean, I don't think that's appropriate. I don't think you need to. I think that. I think that when you do have blue states, Blue City specifically, I mean, Mandami is already talking about, like, refusing to comply in New York. I think that the President has an absolute right to. I mean, to go in and enforce, I mean, federal immigration laws. I mean, he was elected with a mandate to do this. He. I think he's being overly cautious in his implementation of it. I don't think that Marshall law is necessary. I do think that stronger use of force is absolutely appropriate.

Seamus Coughlin (92:15)

Yeah. And of course, any attempt Trump makes it enforcing any federal law is going to be called martial law by the left.

Brett Dasovic (92:20)

That's what's the point, right? Like the, the question they keep asking is like, why does he keep half stepping it when they're going to call him names and tell him that he's a fascist anyways?

Ian Crossland (92:29)

He's got to resist it. That's the, it's a rules for radicals Saul Alinsky make. They call you fascist until you actually become one. They, you know, it's a goal of theirs is to keep saying you're the demon. And then finally when you're like, okay, you want to play the game? Fine, I'll be the demon.

Noah Wall (92:43)

Yeah. And the other aspect of this I think is really interesting and I actually wouldn't be surprised if this is going on in Memphis and some of the, you know, so like, there's like, Memphis is an interesting case where it's clearly a Republican state, but a blue city where, you know, the President has gone in and has been very aggressive. I think that there, I think that what we're seeing. So, you know, we mentioned the NGOs there. There's very clearly, you know, super strong coordination amongst these and these NGOs which we saw during the Biden era and that we're seeing in tons of other areas of state governance. You know, it's the area I like to call the shadow government of NGO networks that effectively run these state government governments, whether they're red states, blue states, these are government entities, you know, that are funded by the government, but are separate private organizations that effectively will come in and run government departments. Whether you're talking about, you know, the civil rights era or whether you're talking about transportation, education, the, the shadow government of the states is a real thing and they coordinate very effectively.

Ian Crossland (93:54)

I, you, this is like your, your specialty line of work. Actually, it is covered a bunch of NGOs that are funding states to do what? Get on board with like, uniform thought.

Noah Wall (94:04)

Yeah. So, you know, it's really interesting. So, you know, we're here in West Virginia, you have, you know, everyone knows California, New York are super liberal. People think that, you know, Texas, Florida, super conservative. When you actually get into it. These NGOs that I'm talking about, the shadow government, which you can find on our website, stateleadership.org these organizations that we itemize in here represent every single function of state government, local government as well. We're focusing on the state level. Every single department of every single state government has an organization that represents that function that is national and operates as a coordinating mechanism, mechanism between all the states that ends up creating, you know. So why you have DEI in Texas the same way you have dei, you know, in, in Illinois? It's because of these national coordinating organizations.

Ian Crossland (95:01)

Is it federally funding NGOs to, to create a problem that they can solve? Like sometimes they say the homeless epidemic if they, you don't really want to solve it because you're making so much money. Is it the same thing with immigration?

Noah Wall (95:11)

Yeah. So you know, it's really interesting. It's actually all, I mean most of these are state funded organizations. So the state is paying membership due organizations and they end up, they end up causing this, you know, they end up coordinating and they end up furthering their radical left agenda and they end up actually like increasing, you know, funding for themselves. I mean it's like this self licking ice cream cone problem. But that's what these organizations do. What you know, and when we're clear, to be clear about this, you know, we have the organizations focused on civil rights, they have these organizations focused on, on, on state parks, you know, making sure that state parks are welcoming to immigrants. Like that's like an actual program that they have like an NGO focused on.

Seamus Coughlin (95:59)

That literally that sounds like one of those USAID programs that we were hearing about. It's that level of silliest, most like NPR sounding thing you've ever heard in your life.

Ian Crossland (96:08)

Oh, but it's state, but they've broken it apart into smaller things. So people are like, there are literally.

Noah Wall (96:13)

Hundreds of separate orgs that do all of this stuff really super niche so that you would never have any reason to ever remember it.

Ian Crossland (96:18)

Oh, it's so tempting to think this stuff's boring and irrelevant. It's actually the hydra.

Noah Wall (96:23)

Yeah, it's literally there are, there's probably.

Brett Dasovic (96:26)

A thousand of them.

Noah Wall (96:27)

Like if you were to add them all up, you know, our website, we have 25, the biggest offenders, you know, Transportation Department, Medicaid. No one ever thinks of like the Medicaid department, the Medicaid director literally, you know, have an organization of every single Medicaid director. Director. You know, this is a bureaucrat. He's not even a political appointee in most states. Medicaid director in every single state in America. They all meet up, they all talk about and strategize how to insert DEI racial quotas into like they actually coordinate, you know, put this stuff out. It's all public, but it's so boring no one ever pays attention to it.

Ian Crossland (97:00)

Do they do it Slow. Like we're going to do it in Texas this month, next month. Let's wait two weeks and then we'll implement it over here. It'll make it look like these have.

Noah Wall (97:06)

Been going on for hundred years. So most of these organizations have literally been around since like Woodrow Wilson.

Ian Crossland (97:14)

So this is Federal Reserve like fa. This is how the fascists were trying to control.

Noah Wall (97:17)

This is like, this is, this is a, this is all progressive era organizations that were created by like Woodrow Wilson. It's like a super wacky history.

Ian Crossland (97:26)

What's the website?

Noah Wall (97:27)

People are like stateleadership.org you can download the reports right on the banner, you know, and if you follow us at it at Red States lead, like we talk about this every day. So like this, I, I nerd out on this subject all the time. So.

Seamus Coughlin (97:40)

Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, definitely. Check that out. And wow. Did you hear my. You hear that voice crack? Most hosts would have just glazed over that. But I, I'm honest. I was like, hey guys, go to the website, all right? Check out I own it whenever that happens and look into it. Now we've got to go over to Super Chats and Ian, you need to get out of here. Oh, you need to. Screw you to leave out that door.

Ian Crossland (98:02)

I've had enough of you, Seamus.

Seamus Coughlin (98:05)

Yeah, bro.

Ian Crossland (98:07)

I'm going to do Inverted World. Shane Cashman, we taking the night off. I'm going to be going live with Brandon Minor at 10:00pm it's been 30 minutes, so check us out. If you stick around, if you're on YouTube, it's going to kick you over to that show. Of course, you got the after show with these fine gentlemen. But I think I'm, I think, I think my charisma speaks for itself, sir. Oh, plus one, minus. Hey guys, catch me on Inverter World live. I'll see you later. Thanks, Seamus.

Seamus Coughlin (98:26)

Love you. Big dog. Good seeing you. Always love having you on, man.

Ian Crossland (98:29)

Really good to see you too.

Seamus Coughlin (98:30)

Noah.

Ian Crossland (98:30)

That was awesome.

Noah Wall (98:30)

Great to meet you. Thanks.

Seamus Coughlin (98:32)

The John Falcone channel said. Yeah, we did it. Seamus. Congrats from the Madcap Falcone parody band. Glad to help. God bless you. Thank you. It, this is, it's incredible. I'm again, I'm very humbled and God bless you guys and thank you so much for getting us there. I've. I mean this is the best audience. I, I have the best audience on YouTube and there's a lot of overlap with the Tim cast audience here. You guys are awesome. You guys are awesome. Thank you you for this Lurch 687 says Trump has been such a disappointment in 2.0 that I don't think Republicans deserve to maintain the majority. At least the left shows us who they are. So here's the thing. Even if you feel that way right now, and I get, I get you, I get where you're coming from, the Republicans kind of have us in a bind because we know that the Democrats are so much worse. And so it's like, all right, do you want to deal with a lighter version of what they're doing, or do you want to have to deal with us being feckless weaklings, basically, or not doing enough? But I hear you. I'm certainly sympathetic. Hold on a second.

Phil Labonte (99:33)

Read.

Seamus Coughlin (99:34)

All right. Love you, bro.

Ian Crossland (99:36)

Massage shame.

Phil Labonte (99:39)

Hands.

Seamus Coughlin (99:40)

All right.

Phil Labonte (99:40)

I save handsy on the way out.

Brett Dasovic (99:42)

File the report. She.

Seamus Coughlin (99:46)

See you in SA Federale says, of course an archcon silverware thief. Let me read this. Did I. Am I seeing this right? Of course. An archcon silverware thief thinks it's possible to make files inaccessible to the executive administration of those powerful country in history. This isn't Shimcast. It's Shame Cast. Firstly, firstly, I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here. And I'm saying maybe something happened. Listen, we know that generals were lying to Trump about stuff. We know that a lot was kept from him in his last administration. It was almost as if there wasn't a true transfer of power. So it's not so much the executive administration, it's the executive himself and whether or not he's being told when he needs to be told. But that's just one side of it. That's just one potential explanation split, says Seamus. It's the Shim Cool show that is. Is that better than Shim Cast? That might be what we have to go with.

Phil Labonte (100:34)

Cool is actually better. Yes.

Seamus Coughlin (100:36)

I like. I like Shim Cool a lot.

Phil Labonte (100:37)

I do.

Seamus Coughlin (100:38)

David Toronto says if it wasn't for Trump, nothing would get done. How do you guys feel feel about that?

Phil Labonte (100:43)

Look, I mean, whether or not Trump is delivering presently doesn't change the fact that the reason that Roe vs. Wade got overturned is because Donald Trump's appointments. If the reason that the. The Voting Rights act is in front of the Supreme Court is because of Donald Trump. The reason that the, the affirmative action stuff got overturned is because of Donald Trump. The reason that the border is closed is because of Donald Trump. Every single criticism that people have about Donald Trump not doing enough. I understand and I hear you, but the idea that things would have, would be better without Donald Trump. That is completely wrong.

Noah Wall (101:23)

So I'll take it a step further than that. We would all be in jail if President Trump did not win.

Phil Labonte (101:29)

Don't worry, we will soon.

Noah Wall (101:31)

Yeah, well, maybe we will, but we would definitely be in jail right now if President Trump was not saved by God in Butler, Pennsylvania, last summer. And like, or I guess summer before last at this point. But, you know, God bless Donald Trump. We had, like, we before Donald Trump, we went through the doldrums, man. I mean, you remember the time of Romney, McCain. Like, like, that is not like, that was. That was a miserable time to be a young Republican. And God bless Trump for, for doing everything that he can. I believe he's trying.

Seamus Coughlin (102:07)

Damon Walker says, I want Tim back. He's not coming back. He left. You think this is a fairy tale world? Tim's gone.

Brett Dasovic (102:14)

You just get.

Seamus Coughlin (102:15)

Stop thinking about him. This is Shim Cast now. This is. You're watching Shim. Cool. Don't worry about it. Okay? Grow up. Get over. He's gone.

Phil Labonte (102:23)

He's not gone.

Seamus Coughlin (102:24)

The truth A. You don't think he's gone.

Phil Labonte (102:28)

Not gone.

Seamus Coughlin (102:30)

We'll just see about that. The truth a says the 400 Koreans. 400 plus Koreans, I'm sorry, weren't building batteries. They're building the Hyundai battery factory. Huge difference. Americans can build a factory. I agree with you. And also I know when you say Americans can build a factory, you mean Americans because you'll see these videos home inspectors will do of new builds where they show you what these alien laborers have made and you go, oh, ooh, that place is going to fall apart and come couple years.

Brett Dasovic (102:59)

Guy who is nailing in the screws.

Seamus Coughlin (103:04)

C Says Kof. Fair. Fair point. I agree with that.

Noah Wall (103:12)

That was my favorite. That was my favorite response to the 50 year mortgage. People just started hearing that video being like thousands aren't going to last 50 years. They don't want to own a home.

Seamus Coughlin (103:25)

Sorry, I'm going through a couple more of these. Ooh, everything. So kick the ball says everything we bring up or every everything we bring up the horrors of Epstein. We need to bring up the 320,000 children trafficked by our tax dollars under Biden. So fair. And here's the thing. We don't want to engage in what about ism, so we can just talk about Epstein with talking about Epstein. And we don't want to see the territory. That this is like a right verse, left issue. Like the left is one. We know how things were under Biden. Don't let them turn this into Epstein is Trump's dirty laundry. Now we have to talk about Biden's dirty laundry. It's all of their dirty laundry. It's all of their dirty laundry. But you're right. We should talk about what happened with the. The children moved around under Biden. I think we should get to the bottom of that. K to the Swiss says Seamus. Why didn't you talk with Andrew Wilson about the crystal prisons? It's a thing on the Crucible. Directly reference referencing your 2024 election outcome video. And then he has a thinking emoji. What is there to wonder about? Maybe I just didn't know that you haven't caught me in some grand conspiracy. I wasn't aware of that, but thank you for watching. Thank you for being a fan. I'm giving you a hard time. I. Yeah, I didn't know that he talked about that. That's funny. It's unfortunate it didn't come up. What's that? I got something to say for this one right here. Right here.

Phil Labonte (104:47)

Oh.

Seamus Coughlin (104:47)

Oh, sorry. We got to refresh. We got to refresh.

Noah Wall (104:49)

We're going to read some more.

Seamus Coughlin (104:50)

That's why I was. That's why I stopped working. I couldn't figure out why I was doing that. Okay. Yeah, don't worry. Like this right here. So should I read this? Eric Shaver. I'm not sure what he's saying. He says all these fake content creators love to hate on crime, yet they all skew their views for sponsorship, which is advertisement revenue, flawed fraud. Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. Listen, you've made a pretty significant accusation against us with absolutely zero evidence. Secondly, even if that was the case, which it's not, this is ridiculous. But even if that was the case, when you're alone in the middle of the night at an atm, you're not checking over your shoulder to see if someone is, like, violating an advertisement law. Okay, this is an annoying thing. When people bring Trump. When people go, you say you believe in law and order. Well, Trump's a felon, bro. When I'm talking about law and order, I'm talking about violent crime. I'm talking about the fact that people don't feel safe walking around at night in this country. And it's not because they are afraid that there's someone nearby potentially committing a campaign finance violation because they don't want someone to stab them.

Brett Dasovic (105:55)

You're. You're at the ATM and Tim is behind you, like, talking about Beam Dream, and you're like.

Seamus Coughlin (106:02)

Tim is pretending to like Beam Dream more than he actually does. What's going on with this city?

Brett Dasovic (106:07)

He's going to bed, he's drinking something else. I don't think he's drinking the Beam Dream. And that's not good.

Seamus Coughlin (106:15)

James Johnson says we need a federal law requiring proof of citizenship to rent our own property. I like that. Yeah, I like donut. I think that's pretty good.

Phil Labonte (106:21)

Yeah. And there should also be a situation where if you don't have some kind of proof that you're a citizen and, and you are renting property, the owner of that property loses said property. Y. I'm. I'm a big fan of like the people that hire illegal immigrants, people that, that rent illegal immigrants. They should pay a penalty as well, because that is an extreme. That would be an extremely effective means of keeping illegal immigrants out of the United States.

Noah Wall (106:51)

I think that's, I think it's an underrated point, particularly in, I think that when you look at where a lot of these, you know, these ICE raids have happened, I think that like, you need to make sure that it's not like small businesses paying the price and you're just letting the, the, you know, the Home Depots of the world go or wherever. I mean, like, you know, not that, you know, not making any accusations, any particular company. My point being like, you need to make sure that large corporations are not like being giving protection. You're screwing over small businesses. That's like, that's a major problem there.

Seamus Coughlin (107:28)

Yeah, that was the first thing I was going to say actually when he said that. I like a law like that. But you know, certain companies are going to be able to, to exempt themselves from that essentially by just having better lawyers and knowing how to find the loopholes, etc. Jordan Buford is very, very nice chap. They said, seamus, I believe you with the spoons, man. Thank you. I wouldn't do that. He says, he said, seamus, I believe you with the spoons, man. You wouldn't do that. We know you. Thank you. I was an atheist for over 10 years and you helped steer me to OCIA and I'm currently seeking baptism. God bless you. God bless you. Thank you much. So, so much. Thank you so much for that comment. God bless you. That's huge. This one. Are we allowed to read this? Is this like YouTube tos? I don't know. I don't see why it wouldn't. I don't know.

Noah Wall (108:15)

I.

Seamus Coughlin (108:15)

Listen, I'm fine. I, I just want to make sure. Because I don't want Tim to Come back and be upset.

Brett Dasovic (108:18)

Freedom Tunes.

Seamus Coughlin (108:19)

I know, I know, but the thing is, I would make a joke like this on my channel. I just. I'm being a good steward over Tim's channel, and I don't want him to get in trouble. But if you. If that's not a TOS violation, I'm fine. Okay. Kudagan says Haitians won't feel welcome in your parks unless you keep them stocked with geese, which is. Listen, that's what they. That's their personal opinion. Tim didn't say that. Forced name change. Oh, no, that's not really. Hold on a second. Yeah. Do we have Rumble? Yes. Sorry. There's a little. There's a couple issues with the interface here as we're trying to read some of these chats. We apologize.

Brett Dasovic (108:52)

What's the.

Seamus Coughlin (108:53)

This one. This one came up. Roflo 1804 said, RIP Beanie Man. Long live shim cast. Long live spoon man. Well, I'm not a spoon man. You know me. You know I wouldn't do that. But thank you so much for the long live stream. Shimcast. This is not the quiet part. How can I read this libels me. This libel Expect me to read this out loud when it's accusing me of a crime. How many times am I going to be accused of a crime by a. Super chatter tonight, bro? Is. Hold on. No, no, no, no. I'll read it. I'll read it. Just so you guys know what I'm subjected to when I host a show. The quiet part. Pod said it's okay. By the way, great aim. I love it. It's okay to tell the truth. Jamus. Tim is in the same place you hid the same spoons. Yeah, Tim. Tim is with his spoons in his own house there of his own volition. Okay, you know me. You know I wouldn't do that. This is. This is crazy. The way that I'm. The way that I'm smeared. I just come here to bring you guys joy. I come here to bring you guys joy, and I just get insulted and made fun of.

Phil Labonte (109:49)

It's because you're a guy, Sheamus.

Seamus Coughlin (109:51)

That's true. That's a fair point. Women have it so easy. That's what I always say.

Phil Labonte (109:55)

That's right.

Seamus Coughlin (109:56)

Let me drive. Let me drive for a second. Can I. Yeah, yeah. I just want to read this chat here. AJ Said, I say, federally, anyone who gets a driver's license must be able to speak English and also demonstrate that they have a Y chromosome. Well, that's really sexist. No, they didn't say that. They just said the English thing. They said, I say, federally, everyone who gets driver gets a driver's license must be able to speak English. And like maybe, maybe even not depending on the accent they speak English with.

Brett Dasovic (110:22)

There's like 50 years of propaganda from Hollywood that says that if you, if you call into question the idea that somebody would speak English in America and that you would be upset by the fact that you couldn't understand them, that you're a bad person. When in reality, the real example of that in public is like, somebody doesn't speak English and you feel bad, but you're like, look, I don't know what you're saying, but if you were to be at a store and somebody's speaking to you and you don't know what they're saying, that guy in the movie is always portrayed as like, speak English, dude, dude, He's a bad guy. Douchebag.

Seamus Coughlin (110:55)

Well, this is, but this is, again, this is why we're making twisted plots. Because you have to have stories that reinforce positive values instead of trying to destroy your society's values. And thank you guys so much for getting us funded. God bless you.

Brett Dasovic (111:06)

This is going to make sure the guy telling you to speak cool speak English.

Seamus Coughlin (111:12)

So this is the thing. Yeah, no, I agree. And that is a huge, huge part of the problem. It's the way that the media portrays the, these things. We all know, we're all aware the real ones know if you want a functioning country, the people there need to be able to speak the language. Stevie Smooth says the stock market don't represent our pockets. Again, I agree with you. I agree with you to an extent. Obviously it's like, I don't like this idea that GDP and stock market prices have zero correlation to well being. But I think you're right that it's getting increasingly out of step and especially for young people who don't have these assets. So I totally hear you and I agree with you. A lot of young people aren't able to buy in. They're not able to get a house. They're not. It's true. With all the things we've been talking about tonight. Okay. James Johnson says the economy is in a neutral state. The bleeding is being stopped, but the blood loss from the past is still there. People are belly up from four plus years of paying their bills on credit and can't spare more. Well, those were very violent analogies and I feel found that a little upsetting. But I'm curious what you guys think of this Idea that they ultimately. James Johnson, thank you for chat. And I, I do. I think that's an interesting thought. I haven't really heard it expressed that way, that we're in a neutral state. What do you guys think of that?

Phil Labonte (112:32)

I mean, maybe you could, you could look at it like that because like I've, I've said before, the inflation is a leader and then wages have to catch up to inflation. And that's why inflation is such a bad, such a, you know, excessive inflation. And I use the term excessive in the context of it's. The Federal Reserve looks at some inflation as normal. Whether or not it should be is up for debate. But for the purposes of this conversation, excessive inflation is very bad because it takes so long for wages to raise to the point where people feel like they can afford things again. Yeah, right. If you get 10% inflation for a couple years, you know, that's a massive increase in your spending. And it takes time for the, the people that are working normal jobs to get the pay raises that they need. So that way they can feel the way they felt before the inflation.

Seamus Coughlin (113:24)

Kevin in parentheses Syndrome 6 says Ian is partially right. Reducing costs would help. It's simpler than fuel reduce regulation. Simple as that. Yeah, I think that's true. There's, there's some truth to it. Obviously it doesn't tell the full story, but I would agree. We have chat from Ms. K saying, Congrats, Seamus, on getting twisted plots funded. Thank you so much, so much. Thank you guys so much. God bless you all. And this was, this was the accomplishment of, of a lot of different people. So thank all of you. Patrick Bendig says not all corrections are crashes, but many corrections can lead to crashes. What looks good on paper can fail in practice. Idealism versus realism, 100%. Interesting. Interesting. Over here. Yeah, on Rumble. Yeah, sorry, see, can you try to find a chat that doesn't accuse me of some kind of crime?

Brett Dasovic (114:19)

Change it to just fan funding on YouTube if you're still looking for super.

Seamus Coughlin (114:23)

Hold on the quiet part. Pod says it's not my fault. You took it the wrong way, Seamus. If you stole no spoons, then you clearly aren't responsible for Tim being gone either. So this is what narcissists do when they insult you or accuse you. You. They try to gaslight you into thinking that you were the problem the entire time. Okay, follow me for more healthy relationship tips. You cannot let an audience bully you like that. It's not good for you. It's not good for your mental health. You got to maintain Frame and stand your ground. AJ says during a government shutdown, people about to lose their food stamps. NYC literally voted who they voted for. This is literally socialism failing before them. Horrible. Anyone have any thoughts on that?

Phil Labonte (115:07)

It's true. I mean if you. If you give the government the power to provide you with all of the things that you need to survive, you're giving the government the power to take away all of the things that you need to survive.

Seamus Coughlin (115:21)

Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly right. Trust me. Let me see. Yeah, yeah. I'm curious the truth A says I'm a co owner in a small construction company. Trust me, I know what these are failures do on. They also drive down the cost of labor. But we double it when we're called to fix things. That's right, man. Buy once, cry once. If you try to go for the cheapest version of something and it falls apart, you end up spending way more money in the long run.

Phil Labonte (115:55)

Yep.

Seamus Coughlin (115:55)

And we're just. We're just doing that on an entire economic scale. Rascal1223 says Hood County Texas veteran arrested by sheriff for posting a political meme. Okay, I heard from about this a day or two ago on Inverted World. That's right. I. I don't remember the details of the story. I wish I had. I wish it had come to mind earlier so we could have brought it up on air and talked about it a little bit more. But pull it up right here. Yeah. This is from the Texas Scorecard. After meme arrest, Hood County Sheriff solicits more social media complaints. Sheriff Deed's announcement comes days after a citizen was arrested for a social media por host. Not good. Crazy dude.

Noah Wall (116:33)

It's here now.

Ian Crossland (116:34)

What was.

Seamus Coughlin (116:35)

Read this in what the crime that he was for. From what I heard last night, it's actually ridiculous that this person's arrested. But let's read this just to see if there's context missing. Context. Hood County Sheriff Roger Deeds encouraged citizens to come forward if they felt they had been victimized by social media posts. This followed the sheriff's arrest of a citizen for posting a meme. In his November 10th announcement announcement, Sheriff Deeds wrote that much of what is posted online is protected by the first Amendment. But gotta have that.

Brett Dasovic (117:04)

But took a trip to the UK and was just like, let's go.

Seamus Coughlin (117:07)

Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. These acts may sometimes constitute a criminal offense, such as the example below from a recent notable case. All right, I hope you guys are ready for this because this was explained to me by a wonderful caller on Shane Cashman's show the other day and it's wild Deed cited Texas Penal Code 33.07, which criminalizes impersonating someone online without obtaining the person, person's consent and with the intent to harm, defraud, intimidate or threaten any person. Last week, his office charged local activist Colton Crottinger with felonious online impersonation. So this is a felony. One of his bond conditions banned him from using social media. And from what the caller said, that's how he makes his living is on social media. Cringer's attorney, Robert Christian, said his client was arrested for posting a meme that he'd never seen anyone get arrested for engaging in political speech in this 25 years serving as both a prosecutor and defense. Defense attorney Nate Criswell, former Hood County Chair, said that Croedinger's post was a satirical. Was satirical and the arrest was politically motivated. In his November 10 announcement, Sheriff Deeds encourage any pain. Blah, blah. All right, so this we keep hearing about, the sheriff said, I want to find the actual crime because I remember what this was, but I want to read it from the article so I can be sure what I was. What I was told. Again, what I was told by the caller was as a joke, this guy photoshopped some politician endorsing someone they didn't actually like, and they're calling it felony impersonation. That's. Let me double check. Let me see if. If this article actually mentions basically what.

Brett Dasovic (118:33)

Happens to anybody when they get caught. Holding up a sign. And then people just write different things.

Seamus Coughlin (118:38)

Yeah, exactly. They just write. Yeah, it's a meme.

Phil Labonte (118:40)

If that's the case, then the precedent was when what's his name was arrested for the Hillary Clinton. Yeah, you know, the, the Hillary Clinton meme. And that. That is terrible. And we're going to see more of this as time progresses because of that precedent.

Seamus Coughlin (118:56)

That's insane. That's like. That's actually completely insane. Mulgara85, says, what do you think about Trump going after Massey in particular for trying to release the Epstein files? Don't love that. Yeah, I don't. Don't love that at all.

Noah Wall (119:11)

Yeah, I've got this right here.

Seamus Coughlin (119:14)

Hans1pk says a lot of young people would rather get a $5 Starbuck each day than in invest or get a house. I disagree. I think that that was good advice in the past. I think with where the housing market is at now. Listen, by the way, I encourage people to save. I encourage people to put that money in your pocket or invest it instead of Going to Starbucks because that it's overpriced and it's, it's crazy. But where the housing market is relative to inflation and where it was 40, 50 years ago, it's just ridiculous. It's, it's very, it's much more difficult. The level of income you have to have and where that income puts you percentage wise with respect to the rest of the population to buy a house today is much higher. And it's not. So it's not just young people who are like getting $5 Starbucks. I don't think that that's the case. But by the way you, I mean it's hard again, I can understand that advice even, like 20, even just 10 years ago actually before the COVID bailouts inflated all the housing costs and interest rates went down to zero and the prices shot up. But I'm curious how you could hold to that opinion after seeing what happened to housing prices and interest rates in just the past five years. Because now the interest payments on, just the interest payments on your loan are significantly higher for the same house. But the house is also twice as much money. So do I have to like not buy twice as much? Star, I just, I don't get it. I don't get it.

Noah Wall (120:35)

Yeah, well I think, I think like the real metric that you have to look at which really shows just the insane level of house housing market, it's income. So median income to median house price. So you go back to like 1980 and it was like you know, three to four times your house costs like you know, four years worth of salary. Now it's like nine to 11 years salary in some parts of the country is what, you know, the median home costs. That's absolutely crazy.

Seamus Coughlin (121:04)

You can't not Starbucks your way out of that.

Noah Wall (121:07)

Right? That's exactly, that's, that's, that's the, I think that is the technical term.

Brett Dasovic (121:11)

So what it did, what, what it's done to the next generation is like the, you can't even visualize a world where you can afford it. And that's what you get with Gen Z. We've covered this on the channel like it's literally called treat culture. They're like look, I'm never going to own a home. My life is miserable so I'm going to buy a sweet treat because I have, I have to have something to look forward to so that I don't come home and just die of depression.

Seamus Coughlin (121:34)

Well, I think that's when people don't have meaning, they seek out these short term pleasures. So I don't think it's the case that these young people. Young people are spending their money in stupid ways, and that's why they don't have houses. I think they're spending money in stupid ways because they don't have houses, because they know that that market is closer than it was.

Brett Dasovic (121:49)

And it doesn't make the advice you gave bad. Like, it doesn't make the advice to make your coffee at home and be frugal bad. It's not. It's absolutely good advice.

Noah Wall (121:58)

And these young adults just got done spending $50,000 a year going to college.

Seamus Coughlin (122:03)

That's right.

Noah Wall (122:04)

Graduating with $200,000 dollars in debt, that they have no prospect, and then they're not getting a job, you know, even though they did what every boomer in the world told them to do, which is go get a STEM degree. I mean, somebody with an H1B visa.

Brett Dasovic (122:16)

Is going to get.

Seamus Coughlin (122:17)

And to be clear, it's a like, I know we. We dump on boomers sometimes. My parents are super awesome boomers. The reality is the advice that boomers are giving, it was good advice when they were growing up. That's the only advice you can give. You can give people advice for the world that they grew up. And the reality is that advice doesn't work anymore. Some of it does, but a lot of it doesn't.

Brett Dasovic (122:38)

Little do you guys know, I just showed up here one day with my resume, and I gave Tim a firm handshake, and I was right.

Seamus Coughlin (122:44)

That's exactly right.

Brett Dasovic (122:45)

He's like, I like the cut of this guy's jib. I'm gonna hire him.

Seamus Coughlin (122:48)

Yeah. That, my friends, is what you do in a healthy economy. All right, guys, it was great having you all here. We're gonna head on over to the members only section in a moment. He here where we use bad words. And I know Noah is just waiting to rattle off a list of awful, awful words and swears and bad language, but I'll let you speak for yourself first and sign out with whatever it is you want to sign out with and plug whatever it is you want people to see.

Noah Wall (123:14)

Thanks, guys, so much. Thank you for having me. Noah Wall, State Leadership Initiative. StateLeadership.org is our website site at Noah W. Wall. That's Noah W. Wall on X and at Red States Lead is our organization handle. Would love to follow you guys. Reach out if, you know, if we can help you make your state based.

Brett Dasovic (123:39)

Guys, if you want to follow me, I'm on Instagram and X. Brett Dasovic on both of those platforms. Also, Pop Culture Crisis is live Monday through Friday, 3pm Eastern Standard Time, which is of course noon Pacific. Also, I do an additional audio only episode every Saturday at 5pm The PCC. I collect a lot of stories throughout Hollywood and culture. Break those all down and put them together as a special segment. It's usually about an hour and a half long, so on Saturday as well as all the episodes, you should go check that out. Thank you guys for having me.

Phil Labonte (124:08)

I am Phil that Remains on Twix. If you want to check out the band. The band is all that remains. You can find us@allthatremainsonline.com we just had a bunch of new merch drop. You can check out our music on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

Seamus Coughlin (124:24)

My name is Seamus Coughlin. I'm the creator of Freedom Tunes. I don't believe a civilization is going to continue to exist for very long if all of its stories are told by people who hate it. Because story is the number one way that people learn about the world. And for decades our culture has been chipped away with by leftist propaganda. And that's why myself and my team decided that we were going to step out and create something new and create something larger than we'd ever made before with Twisted Plots, a new animated anthology series which communicates a right way message not through ham fisted monologues or preaching, but good stories and funny jokes. I want to thank all of you for getting us fully funded. Because as of today, thanks to your incredible generosity and the outpouring of support we've received, we are fully funded. We have passed that finish line. I believe we're at over 101% now. So if you still want to claim perks, you can go over and watch the pilot, those kinds of things, because it's still open for another day. But ultimately I want to thank you guys. God bless you. This is, this is huge. And I will see you on the after show.