NEW Epstein Photos Drop, Dems Cherry Pick Photos To Smear Trump | Timcast IRL

Summary

Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL — NEW Epstein Photos Drop, Dems Cherry Pick Photos To Smear Trump (Dec 13, 2025)

Main Theme & Overview

This episode, hosted by Phil Labonte (sitting in for Tim Pool), delves into the political use of newly released Jeffrey Epstein photos, the ongoing efforts to smear Donald Trump, the politicization of pedophilia accusations, current cultural flashpoints around identity and language, and coverage of recent violent incidents involving public figures. The team — including John Doyle, Jack Posobiec, Tate Brown, and the Timcast News Producer — offers hard-hitting, often irreverent analysis on the intersection of media, politics, and culture, with a signature independent, uncensored approach.

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Key Topics and Segment Highlights

1. Panel Introductions & Show Kick-Off [04:13–05:41]

• Phil Labonte hosts, introducing guests: John Doyle, Jack Posobiec, Tate Brown, and the Timcast News Producer.
• Tim Pool is noted as absent due to dental work, setting a casual, banter-heavy tone.

2. New Epstein Photos & Democrats Smearing Trump [05:51–18:41]

Discussion:

• Newly released photos from Jeffrey Epstein's estate, disseminated by Democrats on the House Oversight Committee, include previously seen images as well as cropped versions that remove certain figures (King Charles), while focusing attention on Trump.
• The panel argues the release is a calculated smear against Trump rather than new evidence.

Notable Quotes:

• Phil Labonte [07:00]: "It seems to me that this is just more effort to smear Donald Trump."
• Jack Posobiec [07:04]: "They cropped King Charles out. Once again, the Royal family gets protection... but we get another photo of Trump from two decades ago, before any of this came out."
• John Doyle [08:57]: "These people... are not accidentally moral. The same party infrastructure that wants to groom children, we're to believe now is getting it right because they're attacking Trump in a language his base is sympathetic to."
• Tate Brown [10:03]: "Democrat base watches Stranger Things and says, 'Trump's a pedophile.'"

Insights:

• The panel criticizes the “low IQ” media play of associative guilt by photos.
• Democrats are accused of weaponizing legitimate outrage over child abuse to manipulate more populist right-wing constituencies.
• The BBC and other media cropping of photos to create ambiguous narratives (such as obscuring women's faces) is highlighted as intentionally suggestive.

3. Media Manipulation & Cultural Double Standards [18:41–26:30]

Discussion:

• The hypocrisy and performativity of left-leaning institutions (e.g., BBC, Netflix) are dissected. A parallel is drawn between their approach to controversial subjects (Christopher Columbus, "banned books") and the handling of Epstein/Trump material.
• The show references older pop culture (pro wrestling, sitcoms) as evidence of shifting social norms, where previously edgy or “raunchy” humor is now canceled or censored.

Notable Quote:

• Jack Posobiec [18:41]: "No matter how much control the left has, they will always act as victims, even when they're the ones in power."

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4. "Smear the Queer" Controversy & Language Policing [21:23–25:47]

Discussion:

• NFL player Bijan Robinson apologizes after referencing the childhood game "smear the queer" in an interview.
• The panel notes how the term "queer" is now embraced by LGBTQ+ activists yet is still policed when used in jokes or offhand comments, representing selective outrage.

Notable Quotes:

• John Doyle [22:24]: "Whoever got mad at that is making a very betraying confession that they themselves were... the queer."
• Tate Brown [23:04]: "In our game... the queer was actually the top dog. The longer you held the ball, the better you were. You wanted to be the queer."

Insights:

• The conversation becomes a springboard to broader points about the persistence of woke policing, the cyclical nature of culture war controversies, and the need for the right to stay vigilant and push back.

5. Culture, Comedy, and Identity Groups [27:27–38:14]

Discussion:

• The panel reminisces about shows like Reno 911 and 90s/2000s comedy that traded on irreverence to social taboos, comparing that to current cancel culture.
• Jokes about casual racism, group banter, and the shifting boundaries of acceptable humor are explored, with the point that such banter used to unite rather than divide.
• Reference to WWE as a microcosm for American attitudes toward national and ethnic stereotypes — then and now.

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6. Australia’s Social Media Age Ban & Reddit’s Lawsuit [38:49–44:41]

Discussion:

• Australia’s law banning social media for kids under 16 and Reddit’s legal challenge against it, claiming violation of free discourse.
• Skepticism about the motives when the left supports similar restrictions ("when the left throws you a bone, be suspicious").
• Reference to leftist groups arming up and the differing cultural responses to rights, gun laws, and social media restrictions.

7. Tyler Robinson and the Charlie Kirk Shooting Case [48:04–66:27]

Discussion:

• The panel covers the Tyler Robinson trial (suspected in the murder of conservative Charlie Kirk), his bizarre courtroom behavior, and left/right reactions.
• Doubt is cast on conspiracy theories claiming Robinson is a patsy; the evidence points to political motivation.

Notable Quotes:

• Jack Posobiec [53:02]: "Just smirking, grinning, looking really, really smug. No wonder they want the cameras off... they can't stop their defendant from cracking jokes while a man's family mourns."
• John Doyle [66:23]: "You're not being edgy by pretending it's just mental health and not political. It's more honest to admit, yes, it's a left-right thing."

Insights:

• The “mental gymnastics” of denying politicized violence is condemned.
• Critique of the right's tendency to indulge in conspiracy thinking as a way to displace honest political confrontation.

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8. Transgender Child Policy & Gavin Newsom [75:27–89:45]

Discussion:

• Clip and critique of Gavin Newsom’s statements supporting "trans kids"; panel rejects that concept as child abuse and fabrication.
• Discussion of the proliferation of extreme gender ideology, the GOP’s response, and the persistent cultural divide.
• The question of intrinsic identities, genetics vs. social constructs, and purpose in life.

Notable Quotes:

• Phil Labonte [75:51]: "There is no such thing as a trans kid. That's just child abuse."
• Jack Posobiec [77:09]: "It's biologically impossible to turn yourself into another gender... our genetic code is male, and it will always be male."
• John Doyle [92:05]: "Even the word gender, etymologically — it is linked to the act which creates, you know, beings: sex between man and woman."

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9. Discord Q&A Highlights [100:50–132:45]

Selected Questions:

• Christmas in a hostile culture? Panel: Celebrate anyway; faith transcends antagonism. [101:10–102:26]
  • Jack Posobiec [101:40]: "Think about how much it angers them to celebrate Christmas. Do it anyway. Christ is Lord."
• On abortion:
  • The panel frames abortion as murder, referencing Soviet Union's early legalization and cultural rot in the West. [112:48–115:29]
  • Jack Posobiec [113:09]: "The first country to legalize abortion was the Soviet Union… it stems from devaluing your own people."
• Immigrant violence: The group notes cultural differences and alludes to Somali and Afghan populations in the U.S. comporting to higher violence norms from their home countries (PVP servers, etc.). [115:41–117:02]
• On Trump’s handling of the "swamp" and criticism from former fans:
  • Extensive segment defending Trump as doing the best possible within deep state/Leviathan constraints, counter-punching to opposition; criticism of figures like Thomas Massie and MTG for ankle-biting and undermining the agenda. [119:37–128:43]
  • John Doyle [121:14]: "You have to decide, has this guy earned your loyalty? He took a bullet for you…"
  • Tate Brown [126:15]: "If you told me in January we'd have net negative migration by year’s end, I wouldn’t have believed it. That’s a complete reorientation in just a year."

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• "They cropped King Charles out... but we get another photo of Trump from two decades ago." — Jack Posobiec [07:04]
• "You are not being edgy... by pretending it's just mental health and not political." — John Doyle [66:23]
• "There is no such thing as a trans kid. That's just child abuse." — Phil Labonte [75:51]
• "If you want to be fulfilled, accept who you are and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, because Christ is king." — Jack Posobiec [95:23]
• “[Abortion]...was first legalized in the Soviet Union.” — Jack Posobiec [113:09]
• “Trump is doing the best he can... You have to decide, has this guy earned your loyalty?” — John Doyle [121:14]

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Tone, Language, and Style

• Unfiltered, sarcastic, and irreverent; the discussion is rapid-fire and packed with political jargon, in-jokes, and references to right-populist internet discourse.
• The hosts alternate between serious analytical points, pop culture riffs, and intentionally provocative humor.
• The show stays consistent with Timcast IRL's signature blend of world-weary skepticism toward mainstream institutions and establishment figures, with frequent detours into meme-infused banter.

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• The episode frames the current media environment and legal climate as deeply manipulative and anti-conservative, with Democrats using every available tool to damage Trump.
• There is strong advocacy for vigilant, continuing cultural engagement and activism — pushing back against both legacy “woke” ideology and the right’s own lazy or conspiratorial tendencies.
• The show champions Trump as a hard-done-by but irreplaceable figure, and urges listeners not to fall for divisionary or nihilistic narratives — "look at the bigger picture."
• The cultural stakes, especially around gender and family, are cast as existential; leftist overreach is criticized, but so is the right’s tendency to settle for easy victories.
• The tone stays combative, defensive of "America First" populism, and ends on encouragement for the audience to stay engaged, informed, and principled.

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For detailed quotes or deeper breakdowns on any specific segment, see the listed timestamps above.

Transcript

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[John Doyle]

Yeah, yeah. Glad to be here.

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Jack Posobiec]

What's going on, man? Wish wish Tim were here but he is getting all of his teeth replaced with cybernetic implants. I'm really excited to see what comes out of that and that will also then finally be able to control his speech. So I, you know, I will be programming that and hacking it immediately.

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[John Doyle]

So.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, we're gonna start with the Epstein stuff. Yeah. So they have released. I'm not sure who it's who it has who released these photos, but more photos from Epstein estate has been released and as usual, they're trying to smear Donald Trump. The BBC is reporting. BBC Verify has been analyzing the 19 photos from the estate of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein published today by the Democrats on the House Oversight Committee. Using Reverse Image Search, an online tool which matches an image to any previous versions on the Internet, we've been able to confirm that at least three of the photos have been seen before. One photo shows President Donald Trump along alongside Epstein and a woman at an. This was taken at a Victoria's Secret party in New York in 1997 and has been published by US media. Getty Images has different photos of Trump and the woman at the event and identified her as model England Saint.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

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[Phil Labonte]

Can't pronounce that. Anyways, another photo shows Andrew Mountain, Bat Windsor and Bill Gates. We found the same photo on Getty Images, and it was taken in 2018 at a summit in London. King Charles can also be seen in the original image, but it was cropped out of the version published by Democrats.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, it seems to drop the King.

[Phil Labonte]

It seems to me that this is just more effort to smear Donald Trump.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I mean, the fact that they cry, so it's funny. How so? BBC, right? They're under, like, official naming conventions here. So you can't say Prince Andrew anymore because he's no longer Prince Andrew. So you get Prince Andrew, Mount Baton, Mountbatten Windsor. But then King Charles is still King Charles. But the Democrats actually cropped the photo of King Charles. And this, this just reminds me, if you go back, that when James o', Keefe, and I always say this was the best scoop that James o' Keefe ever got was that abc, remember this ABC anchor when she was off air, but they had the footage of it because somebody leaked it to him where she was just saying, oh, yeah, you know, we've got this whole story on Epstein. We've got everything. We got the files, we got the Clintons. We've got it all. But then, but then the Royal family called and shut it down. What do you mean the Royal Family called and shut down your story on Epstein? And yet once again, we, we get this protection of the Royal Family. And yeah, you look at the. Oh, we got a picture of Donald Trump from two decades ago, like, literally before any of this came out before. The same story we've heard over and over and over. But suddenly they sit and play that, oh, it's a news picture. It's like, okay, well, we knew that Trump was at the party. That's already out there. And, okay, we found a picture of him and another guy at the party. And what does that actually mean? But they play this very low IQ game where, oh, this guy and this guy. And they act like it's all part of the same circle when it's two decades prior.

[Phil Labonte]

So I got a nephew that's 20. I think he's 21 now. And he actually just texted me a few minutes ago saying that they put on NBC and they were watching the news during lunch and that this release was talked about and they were talking about Donald Trump the entire time.

[Jack Posobiec]

The whole point of this psychological operation.

[Phil Labonte]

Exactly. It's just to link Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein, in an effort by Democrats, clearly, to just to slime the president. And what do you think, John?

[John Doyle]

I think that's absolutely correct. You know, he became a household name in 2019 because that was, of course, during the first Trump administration. And Democrats suspected that they'd be able to, as they're trying to now, tie it to Donald Trump, his friends, his administration. And I think that we just need to give ourselves permission to understand that these people are not, like, accidentally moral. They're not, like, accidentally, like, doing the right thing one time, like the same party infrastructure that wants to groom your children, that wants them to be, you know, undergoing these surgeries, totally fine with, like, everything evil, like the most evil things we've ever seen manifest politically in this country. But this one time, we're supposed to believe they're, like, actually getting it right and they really have their heart in the right place as they're going to, you know, release the freaking Epstein files or whatever, specifically because they view it to be, correctly, a vector of attacking Trump in language that his base is sympathetic to. You know, you can call Trump a racist every day. It's not going to work. But all of a sudden, you start talking about pedophilia. That's something that we are obviously very concerned about because we see what happens in this country with child abuse, much of that, by the way, occurring because of who floods into the country through the southern border, which they couldn't, you know, care less about. And so, yeah, it's completely disingenuous. I don't buy any of it and think that anything that these people are saying is true.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, the Democrat constituent, the base, they tune into Stranger Things, the first episode, watch, like, a child rape scene, and they're like, by the way, yeah, Trump's a pedophile.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah, there. And defend. When I went on like, a jihad against Netflix and Stranger Things when this all dropped, and I'm like, it's very obvious this is hentai tentacle porn that has been put into Stranger Things. And remember, that's a retcon because they're going back to season one, which means the age of the child is like, I think he's like, 10, 11 when that season is supposed to take place. And, you know, they used, you know, CGI to make him to de age him. And so you just see it going into his mouth and he's like, sucking down the dark juices of gay Darth Vader, who's the new bad guy in Stranger Things, but apparently it turns him into, apparently it turns him into gay Luke Skywalker later on in season five, because he gets powers because of, again, he drank the juices. But it's, it's so disgusting. And it's just like, it's just an obvious sense of, do you have that high disgust factor or not? Like, are you actually clued into what you're watching? And so I wanted to, I want to just respond to what John side. Because it was genius that what the Democrats are doing here doesn't act, doesn't actually mean that they are better. It actually means that they are cynical because they're so cynical that they'll use this and they'll always skip over the fact, and everybody skips over this fact that it was Donald Trump who arrested Jeffrey Epstein, it was Donald Trump's administration that put him in jail. And if you believe certain theories, you might even think that Donald Trump had him killed in prison because again, he was the one who did it. He was the president. When all of this happened, saying he did. I'm just like, like, if you are on that side, wouldn't it then follow by your own internal logic? But there's also something really interesting that John said that I wanted to get to, because this came up recently with Elon when he was tweeting about this, that in. In the sense of that Cinnabon worker who got fired and, oh, she said the N word. She this. But then Elon was pointing out, well, it's just a word. So when I ask, what is Odoo? What comes to mind? Well, Odoo is a bit of everything. Odoo is a suite of business management software that some people say is like fertilizer because of the way it promotes growth. But, you know, some people also say Odoo is like a magic beanstalk because it grows with your company and is also magically affordable. But then again, you could look at Odoo in terms of how its individual software programs are a lot like building blocks. I mean, whatever your business needs, manufacturing, accounting, HR programs, you can build a custom software suite that's perfect for your company. So what is Odoo? Well, I guess Odoo is a bit of everything. Odoo is a fertilizer. Magic beanstalk. Building blocks for business. Yeah, that's it. Which means that Odoo is exactly what every business needs. Learn more and sign up [e-mail] that's.

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[Jack Posobiec]

B R I K.com and this is. And then. So one of the Democrats, one of these lib accounts was coming at me talking about this saying, oh, well, it's not. It's not acceptable under any context. But the discourse on top of that was, well, wait a minute, you know, is a thought crime actually higher than an actual real physical crime, like pedophilia? To the Democrats, it is. To the liberals, it is in their moral infrastructure, their moral superstructure. They believe that saying a word that they don't like, a no, no word, which we're gonna talk about in a minute, is actually worse than rape, murder, or pedophilia. And this is this. This kind of gets into, like, the heat map meme where they tried. Which they. They constantly try to. This study where they try to debunk it, and they try to claim that it's not true, but it actually is true that they don't care about things that actually happen to people. They care about thoughts and they care about feelings.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Well, the crazy thing about this is if there was a smoking gun, they would have. They would have dropped that years ago. The Biden administration would have never let that go. If they had anything on Trump about this, it would have been front and center. It would have been an extra charge to the rest of his charges that they hit him with when he was running for president back in the day. And even now, you know, they keep dropping photos from days past. If there was any legitimate. Any legitimacy to these allegations about Trump, we would have seen it by now. No Democrat would have ever dropped this and let that down. So, you know, I don't know what's going on with this, but it's just like you have nothing. And even Trump says that you have nothing because you would have use it against me.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. To the, to the surge. If you could bring up the picture again, the headline. The only point I want to make is, you know, the BBC has blocked out, what is it, six women in this. And the whole point of doing that is to imply that they're underage. Yeah, right. If it wasn't for the fact that, that they are. That they're trying to. Trying to, you know, make the. The viewer feel a certain thing, they would just put these people in, put their faces on there Without a problem, Right?

[John Doyle]

Yeah. What is actually happening here, like the, the op that we are all witnessing is you've got a very big problem if you're a Democrat, if you're Tim Walls right now, like you're shaking in your boots, right? Because you're seeing polling where young men have shifted something like, what, 40 points to the right in just the last few years. If you're a Democrat, you're not putting that toothpaste back in the tube. You're not going to convince these young guys that they actually should go back to being like, Peak Woke 2020, posting black squares. It's never going to happen.

[Phil Labonte]

All the bad stuff happened in their formative years. Go ahead.

[John Doyle]

So how do you solve that problem? Well, perhaps you should consider because you're still the Leviathan, right? You still have all this money, all this institutional power. You just can't keep running the same play. It's clearly not working. Okay, so now what do you do? You use their momentum against them. You push them over their own skis, which is to say, I'm not going to censor you anymore because that clearly didn't work. What I'm going to do is I'm going to say you're so right about all these crazy things. Actually, you're more right than you even think. You are so correct that Donald Trump is actually one of these Epstein guys. Donald Trump is actually a slave to that Israel thing. You just found out about five minutes ago. And so now you are actually so based and red pilled that you shouldn't support Donald Trump and you shouldn't support J.D. vance. You should keep talking shit on Instagram and then I'm going to be so mad at you and defeated and I'm going to melt down about it on cnn. Oh no, I'm so scared of young men. And then you're there like, yeah, I'm really owning these people. Meanwhile, the actual political project which has achieved for us every success we've had in the last 10 years, every deceleration of bad things in the last 10 years, they have convinced you to not support that because you're so freaking based. And you know how the world works so well right now. And then what is the manifestation of that you are opting out of the only political process that in your lifetime has ever actually worked for you. That is the op right now that is afoot. They're not worried about ideas. They're worried about those ideas having consequences. We've all gone through the YAF reading list. Ideas have consequences, right? If your ideas are not making it so that you cannot have consequences because you think the whole thing is corrupt, we just have to wait until the people wake up, man. How's that working in South Africa? How is that working in Brazil? The people are not going to wake up. We need to actually be the ones to enact political change. And so insofar as, like, social media trends, censorship, all that stuff is going on these headlines, again, it is about appealing to Trump's base in language that they understand and saying, well, actually, Trump isn't bad because of these reasons that we made up in our head. He's racist, he's a xenophobe.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Now.

[John Doyle]

He's bad because of things that you agree with, and people are falling for it, and it is very bad.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, they also have these boomer NGOs that they can use basically as cannon fodder. Like the Royal Family, in this instance, the left globally hates, like, the idea.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Of a royal family.

[Tate Brown]

Fundamentally.

[Phil Labonte]

They're against monarchy in its total.

[Tate Brown]

And the Royal Family has been trying to basically gesture to them, like, no, no, no, we're innocent. We're boomerango. Like, you can pray, you can tear up the Canterbury Cathedral. It's not a big deal. Like, don't worry about it. We're good. And it's like, as soon as it means they can get at Trump, they'll, like, chuck the entire Royal Family under the bus because it's, like, convenient for them. Meanwhile, BBC is, like, platforming, like, Kneecap. Who Their entire. They're, like, larping like, they're these, like, Irish revolutionaries and they're, like, going to war with the Queen. It's like, hey, the Royal Family hasn't been relevant in 100 years. It was like, what are we doing here? This is just an example, like, where they can just, like, totally grind these guys. They're just total cannon fog.

[Phil Labonte]

And the Royal Family would say that they agree with everything Kneecap says, except for the fact that the Royal Family shouldn't be the royals.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, exactly.

[Phil Labonte]

You know.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and this. This goes to. To show you that no matter how much control the left has over a certain society, like they have over the uk, for example, and this is BBC. And that's, you know, it gives us a window into this, the way that they're very specific about the titles and which words they use, that. That they will still act as if they are the victims. So they will still act. They could have total control. And you see this in Soviet Union, right? They had total control of society. They had total control of every single apparatus of society, the secret police, every stratosphere of society. They use terrorism as a tactic against their own people to control their. And yet they would still say, oh, we're fighting the oppressive forces of tyranny. We're fighting the oppressive forces of communism or capitalism. We're fighting these oppressive forces from overseas, when ultimately they aren't actually fighting anything. You're the ones in control. This is kind of like, I think John, you and Aaron were talking about it on the Thanksgiving episode.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And this line that you guys did. And John is a great new podcast, which he has not promoted yet, but I will. But no, it's so good, because it was that line about Christopher Columbus, and they were like, I forget. Exactly. But they're. Every time a teacher brings up Christopher Columbus, they say, you know, we're. I'm not supposed to say this. And it's like, but he was actually a bad guy. It's like, no, literally every teacher says that. And, like, every show about him says that. What? Like, remind me exactly what he said.

[John Doyle]

Yeah, it's. And, you know, I remember this very well because I just got out of the public school system, like, I don't know, eight years ago or something. But every iteration of American history, whether you're learning about it in third grade, eighth grade, or in high school, they always begin it by saying, now, in America, we typically don't teach this, but. And then they teach it. And so it's like. Because if you're a liberal, you have to ignore the fact that all the most powerful people in the world pretty much agree with you, and what you would like the world to look like or what they've convinced you that the world should look like. You have to, like, rationalize how you want to be the revolutionary fighting the man, while also controlling, like, every major institution, you know, the United States government, etc. So the way they do that is just by telling themselves that, like, oh, actually, we aren't allowed to teach this. We have banned books. You can get them at Barnes and Noble. There's a big sign that says banned books. You want to know how banned books go on the. Right. They cost $1,000. You don't even know if you're going to get them in.

[Jack Posobiec]

The main book is like, like, can I get. Will I catch charges for having.

[Tate Brown]

Can I enter the EU with this book?

[Jack Posobiec]

That's a ban. But my. My unhumans parts of my unhumans book got banned in Spain. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Really?

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Something.

[John Doyle]

Right. It's All a lie and they have to frame it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Happy Franco Friday, by the way.

[Tate Brown]

A Protestant Franco go by. I think it's Trump, actually. I digress.

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Perhaps.

[John Doyle]

Easy.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, my bad.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Get a little fired up.

[Tate Brown]

A little fired up.

[Jack Posobiec]

Some. Some say Cromwell, but. But as a Catholic, I can't co.

[Tate Brown]

Sign that I'm a Cromwell guy.

[Jack Posobiec]

As a Catholic.

[Tate Brown]

The hats were cool, that buckle. Everything was great.

[Phil Labonte]

So I think we're going to jump to this next story now. And this is a little bit lighter. Fair. Bejon Robinson has said a no, no word. I believe he was doing an interview and he said, smear the queer. And then, of course, the Longhouse made him apologize.

[John Doyle]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Bijan Robinson tweeted. Hey, everyone, I want to apologize for the insensitive comment I made in the broadcast. It was a football game we used to play as a kid. But that's not an excuse. I recognize the mistake and make and make sure to do better in the future. It was not reflective of my beliefs, and I am so sorry to those I offended. Seriously now, you think the. The left, and specifically the LGBT crew, they really do embrace the phrase queer, right? Like, it is a political identity. It's more than just about your sexual.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's the cue.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. It's the queue in lb.

[Jack Posobiec]

Every time they say is the cue, it's right there.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

So how is it that this is wrong for one side and right for another? And I know. I know the. The answer, but I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.

[John Doyle]

I don't know, I just think that, like, whoever got mad at that is making a very betraying confession that they themselves were, you know, the queer. They were the smeared Batman could not beat confession out of me. I would never have, like, a problem with that and, you know, indicate that I was the one being smeared in this circumstance. So, yeah, it's so much, I really am, of the opinion, and this is not my idea. I read this on Twitter and I'll regurgitate it because that's where all the best content is. But someone said something like, you know, whether or not you had fun in high school is like the greatest predictor. Not perfect, but the greatest predictor of how adjusted you're going to be in the real world. And that's like, when I see stuff like this where people are like, you know, you can't use that word or talk about this. Like, again, it makes you wonder what was their experience? Like, were they the one being smeared? You know, were they sort of in that situation? So I don't know.

[Tate Brown]

It's all the queer. And the way that we played smear the queer is the queer was actually like, usually the top dogs. You would have to win the ball over. Yeah. And then the longer you would hold the ball, that meant the better player you were. So you actually wanted to be a queer for the longest time. Yeah, I'm one of the best. Hey, San Antonio, Texas, I was one of the best queers in town.

[Phil Labonte]

The goal of the game was to be the queen.

[Jack Posobiec]

And in San Antonio, that's, you know.

[Tate Brown]

Because there's some big old women down there. They get involved. It's over. Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

That, that river.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

I. You still go down the riverwalk and you hear the name Tate Brown is just said over and over on everyone. Everyone's lips. That's that queer.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, he's awesome.

[John Doyle]

Oh, yeah, he's one of the best guy queer.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. We tried to smear him for years. Could it be done?

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I do want to point out that there was a time where there. People like to say that woke is dead. Right. They like to say woke is dead, it's done. And I, I think that this is actually a great examp. The fact that it's never done right. This, the, the fight against the left doesn't end. It's great to have victories. You celebrate your victories, you want to acknowledge them. And when the, when the right has power, they want it. You want to see them executing it. But that doesn't mean that the left just says. Is going to turn tail and say, oh, I guess we were wrong guys, and just, you know, crawl into a hole somewhere. They're going to regroup, they're going to push back, and you need to make sure that you're holding your politicians accountable. And you want to make sure that you're holding organizations like the NFL and like Netflix. Like who? You want to make sure that you're holding them accountable and saying, look, these are our values. Stop crapping on our values and stop making it seem like we're wrong for having these values.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's certainly less insane than it was at the peak in 2020, but I, I think about it like, you know, you're conquering a city and in the process of conquering, you're seeing some pretty ugly stuff and it's like, pretty intense. But once it's settled down and they're just kind of peacefully governing the city, they're still in power and there's still consequences for stepping out of line. But you're not seeing guys get like, you Know, executed or something in public. So it's certainly not as bad as it used to be, but it's still, you know.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, but I mean, I think that that's a great point. Like, we've talked about how the left has been kind of pushed back, but in there it's not their death throws, but as they lose ground, they become more aggressive and. Yeah, yeah. And I think Charlie was a great example of that.

[Tate Brown]

I always thought that. I actually said that on the show a lot, but actually. Or in McIntyre. Bring him up again. He actually. He had a show yesterday. I forget her name. She. She does studies of political violence.

[Phil Labonte]

Amy Paladin.

[Tate Brown]

Amy Paladin.

[Phil Labonte]

Great show. I tweeted about it.

[Jack Posobiec]

I listened to that too.

[Tate Brown]

It was fantastic. And she actually made the case. It's like, no, it's just ramping up, ramping up. Whether there's a leftist in power, whether or not it's actually people with an in group preference, when their person's in charge, they take it easy. They're like, okay, we're good. He's adhering to our. What we want. But people with an out group preference, they believe they're in constant rebellion. No matter what. It doesn't matter if their guy is in charge or not. They're always perpetually in rebellion.

[John Doyle]

You should definitely.

[Tate Brown]

So leftist violence, there's just no matter who's in charge, it's going to continue to get worse until the state comes down.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

They're not going to stop. You can't. You always have to keep fighting back. And if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile back, just like we see here. So it doesn't matter how much we keep pushing back. We can't settle down. You have to keep on fighting. I want to do.

[Phil Labonte]

I want to point out that it's Arne McIntyre's podcast he does with the Blaze and the. The guest was Aiden Paladin and the overall.

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[Jack Posobiec]

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[Tate Brown]

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[John Doyle]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Before we move subjects on this that, you know, on the smear the career story that I was. So I've gone back and knows my wife wasn't born in this country, but so that also just means there's a lot of media that like she doesn't know about. Cause she didn't. She wasn't here in the 90s. She wasn't here. Like she didn't know who Will Ferrell was until like recently.

[Phil Labonte]

Lucky.

[Jack Posobiec]

She just didn't know. She had no idea how to show her stepbrothers. You know. No, we've gone through like the entire canon. We've gone through the canon. It was great. She loved it. And, and so I'll go back and just find like older shows to say, oh my gosh, you've never seen this. Let's sit down and watch it. We did like all of Seinfeld. Simpsons. She had never seen Simpsons. And the one we're on right now is Reno 911. And so I, I actually hadn't realized how long ago Reno started. You know, Reno 911 is older than Tate.

[Phil Labonte]

A lot of things are older than Tate. But that does surprise me.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, exactly. No, I started 2003. That's right.

[Tate Brown]

I'm a new gen. 2003.

[Jack Posobiec]

And. And they had. And those guys had shows that were even older. A lot of the same, like comedy troupe, those same actors. And so the episodes that they made, which.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And people remember this. That was not a controversial show.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

That was not a show that there was ever this buzz around like, oh, we should cancel Reno 91 1. And they're, like, dropping n bombs. They talk about, like, like, literally everything under the sun. There's swastika jokes, there's jokes about Israel, Jewish people, like, all obviously homosexual jokes and transvestite jokes, like, all over the place. Actually, in, in one episod, they get two tickets to an execution. And so everybody, Everybody wants them. So in order to win the tickets for the execution, they set up a scavenger hunt. But there's a point system, and you have to arrest. Like, they're like. They're like, okay. And I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna say this because this was a normal, like, 10pm comedy show in the mid-2000s or early 2000s, which was not again. Yeah, it was considered raunchy, of course, but it wasn't something that was considered like, oh, we need to pull that off the air ever.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, raunchy was allowed.

[Jack Posobiec]

Raunchy was allowed. And, yeah, I'm watching, and I'm like, there's my culture. And there it is. I, I, I, I, I wasn't making it up. It was real. It was all real. And, and you were there, and you were too. And, and, and so in the scavenger hunt, it was like, okay, you have to get someone and they have to have an animal tattoo is like, five points. And then, you know, and if they have a racial Tattoo, that's like 10 points. And if it's a transvestite, that's 20 points. And they go, best looking hooker in town, and that's 20 points. And then at the bottom, they have the Star of David. They're like, what's that for? And it's, you know, it's dangling. It's like, oh, and it's double points if they're Jewish.

[Tate Brown]

Oso starts a vintage aesthetics account on Twitter, but it's just like slurs from Reno. Double points.

[Jack Posobiec]

Double points. And at the very end, it's course Garcia. And he's got this, this, you know, this one suspect. And they're like, they're like, okay, okay. I think that's. Oh, wait, no, he's still under. He's on it.

[Tate Brown]

Wait, wait, wait. Pulled off.

[Jack Posobiec]

And they've got a necklace of the star at David. Like, no double points. They're like, screw you, Garcia. That tattoo is fresh. That is fresh ink. You just got that. That's a ringer. And then he ends up taking the hooker to the execution.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, there you go.

[Jack Posobiec]

But I mean, like, again, like, it's, it's hilarious. It's it's like stupid funny, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's. It's just poking fun at all the little differences between everybody and. And people would call it. Some people call it casual racism or whatever, but the idea that. The idea that. Like an old Chris Rock bit, you know, that. That this used to be the way that we sort of, like, lived in society together. Like, we have differences and we just laughed about it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Casual racism implies the existence of ranked competitive race.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Everyone gets dished off.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, Carl Benjamin Sargon of Akkad, he's made this point multiple. Multiple times. It's just bands, right? It's just banter and. And it's how.

[Jack Posobiec]

Banter.

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Yeah, exactly.

[John Doyle]

How you. You.

[Phil Labonte]

You can relate to someone that's actually different from you. You make jokes. Everybody gets their turn. Everyone gets a little. A little.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I'm Polish, so, like, you know, like, I grew up with it, you.

[Phil Labonte]

Know, but this is. This is something that society used to embrace, and our society, because the United States has so many different people from so many different backgrounds, even if you're. Even if you're only talking exclusively about white people. Right. It used to be the. The Italians and the. The Irish would give crap to the English and blah, blah, blah, and it was totally fine. It was, again, how you relate to each other, and it was how you. You made sure that you could. You could get along in a. In a society where there were very different backgrounds. And nowadays the left has made that so toxic that you see people actually alienating more, and you see people looking at each other's differences as something bad and something that you don't want to involve yourself as opposed to saying, okay, we're a little bit different, but we all kind of want the same things, and we're all, you know, very similar in a mindset.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, they twist you up because it's. It's like you can't say anything about the differences, but also you have to celebrate diversity.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, like, which is it? And you wonder why people go nuts.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. A great example is Vince McMahon's World Wrestling Federation. Like, think about, like, peak, like, American unity and, like, you know, 2000, 2000, 2001, where, like, Eddie Guerrero, like, everybody loved that guy. John Cena put out a rap album. Like, everybody was just, like. Everything was on the table. Everything was fine. And now you look at WWE and it's. I'm still. I'm not following it, but I understand that its audience has stopped being like, just normal Americans. And now there's a huge like, liberal presence in the fans. They really have no tolerance for, like, the old Vince McMahon style of running. I mean, he's not even at the company that's.

[Jack Posobiec]

They're called the iwc. The Internet. Or was it Internet wrestling fans or something like that?

[John Doyle]

Yeah, yeah, but like, Vince McMahon, if he was going to say, like, okay, I want to incorporate a foreign market, not because I care about foreigners necessarily, but because I'm a ruthless, like, capitalist. We're going to bring in a guy from Japan. Oh, is he going to be just like, what? No, he's going to be like Yokozo. He's going to be a big fat sumo wrestler. We're going to bring in a guy from, you know, Iran.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wasn't Japanese.

[John Doyle]

Oh, he wasn't. Okay, so even better, like, yeah, we're.

[Tate Brown]

Just going to, like, get a Chinese guy.

[John Doyle]

We're going to have. We're going to have Hulk Hogan, rest in peace, come out. And he's gonna be the big American. He's gonna go up against, like, this Iranian guy and it's gonna be this huge, like, clash of worlds or an Irish guy. He's gonna come out and literally just be like. So it was like acknowledging these stereotypes, not because it's like, hey, we don't. I mean, there probably was a little bit of nativism there, like, in the American audience, we hate you, but it was, like, part of it, you know, and you could acknowledge those differences. And ultimately it was fun, it was entertaining, and it was a good, like, pressure release valve from what otherwise is gonna, you know, be some serious headbutting.

[Jack Posobiec]

When you're not allowed to do. When the Rock, Dwayne Johnson, like, when he first came out, wasn't he part of, like, what do they call that thing? It was like a Nation of Islam kind of thing. You probably was Rocky Maivia. And I can't remember, off top of my head, all the, all the Internet fans are getting mad at me. But, like, but yeah, he, he was like one of the enforcers in this group. And, and he came up my. So my. The. At human events, our executive producer, Angelo Fazio, and he's kind of said this publicly. We've, We've mentioned a few times. He was one of Vince McMahon's top writers for, like, 10 years. So, I mean, he was very, very up in that. Used to be the head writer raw. Did like three WrestleManias. Just worked with Vince very closely. And, you know, I remember asking was like, what do you think about the Netflix documentary? He's like, ah, I'm not Watching that.

[John Doyle]

You know, it was awesome.

[Jack Posobiec]

But I mean, he's. I've heard a lot of the tea. I'll just put it that way. I've heard a lot of the tea.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, know, to your point about the. The way that we relate to each other, you could watch the WWE or wwf. And one of the interesting things is even when, like, Sergeant Slaughter turned heel, right? Like the guy that was supposed to be perfect American, kind of like Americana military guy, and he still turned heel. So it could. It was the. It was a situation where anybody could do anything at any time, whether it was, you know, it didn't matter what their back.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm still upset about Sergeant Slaughter betraying.

[John Doyle]

His country name dropping. So I didn't know we were with ball knowers here.

[Phil Labonte]

That's an old guy.

[John Doyle]

I'm an old judge. About, like, the heel turn is because, you know, there's only so many ways you can do it. Like, there's maybe like two way. And you ultimately, you want the audience to hate you. So either you betray like a baby face and you've out of nowhere, or you come out and you let your ego and you're like, you know, I did this all by my. There's like two ways you can do it. And so now I'm seeing AI videos where you'll have Martin Luther King come out and he's the WWE champion and he's got a mic and he'll be like, like, you know what? I don't have any more dreams. And everyone's like, what? He's like, I am the dream now. They're like. And Michael Cole's like, he's turning heel. Like, he's a bad guy or something like that. It's so good.

[Phil Labonte]

It is, it is. But I. I do think that. That it speaks to, you know, the way that we used to be able to relate to each other and. And the fact that that's kind of gone away because of all the wolks.

[Jack Posobiec]

Nation of Domination. I just looked it up. It was called the Nation. Nation of Domination. And they were like a Nation of Islam kind of, you know, look it up. Look for a picture. Nation Domination.

[Tate Brown]

There's also a whole, like, slew of those wwe. Like, there's one where Rosa Parks comes out jingling keys. Insane, bro.

[Phil Labonte]

When I saw. When I saw Stephen Hawking from the top rope on his. On his.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, Steve Wheelchair, I was like, all right, I can't.

[John Doyle]

There was one, which I almost feel bad even reiterating, but I laughed at it, where a Certain basketball player who is unfortunately no longer with us was in the ring and he was talking about, like, who gonna stop me? Who gonna stop me? And then a helicopter. But, dude, the blades weren't even spinning. It was just like gliding down the rim and everything. And, you know, oh, my God, here it comes.

[Tate Brown]

All right, there's something so back.

[Jack Posobiec]

There's something to that, though. It's. It's sort of that, like. It's like a. It's like a low culture kind of. You know, it plays on human nature, it plays on human stories, it plays on the hero's journey in many cases, and it plays on these meta narratives that we tell each other that we can sort of see throughout society and throughout the world. And when they. When you play with that and that, that gets you into the, you know, the idea of Kay Fabery. Right. And, you know, as a writer for, you know, for wrestling, they'll say, like, like, you. You have to. You have to keep it within the spectrum of the, you know, the real. Like, in the sense of, you know, will this betrayal make sense? Will that make sense? If this person wins, would that make sense? And when it doesn't, because the audience gets to vote on this stuff, is what I'm trying to say. So, like, even if, you know. Yeah, we know. Okay. Like, it's. It's written like. Yes. So it was like Marvel and Star wars. People like that, too. But, like, if you don't, like, doesn't get over with the crowd.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And. And so, like, the Montreal Screwdriver is a great example of this.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Bret Hart and. And stuff where people will just be like, that's so obviously fake that, you know, the audience just starts. And then. So there are stories of, like, Vince McMahon going in and, like, editing out the booze and. Yeah, like different, different master reels and stuff. And, and, and sweetening, you know, the cheers and. Or, like something doesn't get a cheer, so he just adds it in later.

[Tate Brown]

Let's go. I wish we could do that for irl. Add in a laugh and post.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, just get rid of Tate. That'd be awesome. All right, no Rosa Parks there.

[Phil Labonte]

We're going to jump to this story and I imagine everyone has a lot to say about it. Reddit is suing the Australian government over social media ban for under 16s. So Australia has decided that they're going to protect the kids in Australia and they're going to say that you have to be 16 years old to access social media. And Reddit has. Oh, we don't have this, this article and Reddit has taken to, you know, it's as has a problem with it. So from the Wall Street Journal they were saying Reddit is taking the Australian government to court to block its social media ban for children under the age of 16 saying the ban infringes on the freedom of political discourse. I imagine most of the guys here kind of feel like it's a good idea to limit the social media diet of young people. And I personally, I think it's a good idea too. Now I think that it should be something that parents do but I don't think, and I don't think that the government should be doing it but I do think that especially considering Australia's government, they're really worried about, you know, right leaning right because the government is so progressive, so left leaning.

[Tate Brown]

It goes back to the earlier point. It's like when the left is throwing you a bone, you should be very suspicious of what's going, going on here. This has happened in the past and look, I might get some flack for this but it's true is like you would see left wing cities loosen up gun restrictions from time to time and they weren't doing that because they were like two a absolutist. They were doing that so they could get people off of gun charges. Cuz like if a DA was desperate and he got a guy on a crime and he didn't have anything else, it'd be airtight. He'd chuck a gun charge on there and guarantee put away this guy. And this was obviously before like a big influx of like Soros das came in is they would basically lax gun law so that way they could let. So the same, what I'm getting at is the same idea. It's like when the left throws you a bone on something like this, there's a huge ulterior motive. Not to mention getting sued by Reddit has to be the most embarrassing thing ever. How bad you have to call out to get sued by Reddit. I mean what are we doing?

[Tim Cast News Producer]

I mean I don't blame them banning kids off Reddit because you know, why are you on Reddit in the first place? You know, for Reddit karma or whatever. But you know, like you said with the gun thing, now all of a sudden leftists are pro second amendment because they have these, what is it, the Pink Pony Club, all these weird groups that are now showing up with guns and like even Tyler Robinson maybe like we're looking into, you know, they become an extremist with these and they're starting to embrace this, which is, you know, it doesn't be. It's kind of different. They always say the right is always the gun nuts. But, you know, the left has started to embrace these, you know, guns. And, you know, that's terrorism because they.

[John Doyle]

They name their gun clubs after, like, guys like John Brown.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Oh, yeah.

[John Doyle]

And I mean, maybe we know the story there. Like, they. They fetishize this guy who literally insane, who just went around just, like, killing normal white people because he thought that would cause a slave uprising.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, he was hung just, like, right down the street here.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Oh, oh, yeah.

[John Doyle]

We are. We are in sacred land.

[Tate Brown]

You're on occupied Confederate land. As you Atlantic.

[John Doyle]

You know, Reagan. I'm not like, the biggest Reagan guy, but a lot of stuff that people criticize Reagan for. One of the things, like a lot of two, a absolutist get mad at Reagan because one of the things he did as governor of California was crack down on open carrying. And so if you're just looking at that on paper, you're like, what the frick? Ronald Reagan, we want to be able to open carry. The reason he was doing that is because Black Panthers were showing up, like, with riots, trying to intimidate, like, normal, just white American following cops. Yeah. And Reagan was like, okay, we're probably going to stop that, given that, like, you people have been like, shouldn't say you people, given that members of your organization and affiliates have been, like, killing police officers, trying to incite violence and things of that nature. So, you know, and you saw that too, to your point about the throwing the bone with Zoran Mandani recently when he did that thing where he's talking about deregulating. Dude, all these people are so desperate to think that we can finally just like, like, talk our way out of this with the left, that they're like the pendulum swinging back and they've learned that they're going to have to deregulate because of market economics and reading, you know, Henry Haslet or whatever. And it's because the deregulation he's referring to, as he mentions is specifically stuff pertaining to fines. When you've got, like, I don't know, fecal matter in a kitchen, things that you would expect from third World people coming over and trying to exist in civilization for the first time. And they just wouldn't think to do stuff like that, like maintain clean standards, not have, you know, child labor. And so the American government would come in New York City government, be like, okay, you're probably gonna have to like pay a fine for that. And so when he's deregulating removing red tape, it's not because he's like some pro market, like based capitalist or whatever. It's specifically because he's trying to help these people, these foreigners in New York who are, who elected him because native born New Yorkers went for Cuomo. It was only the foreign population that installed Mamdani into becoming mayor. And so I tried to explain that to people. They're getting very angry with me. I was like, you need to be 200 IQ enough to understand that in this instance, deregulation is actually Marxist.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, there's like, it's people and people that I know and respect and I think they're really smart people. They're desperate to like intellectualize what's happening with Mamdani. They're like, oh, this is a wholesome Chungus populism. And it's like they're desperately trying to like retcon what is obviously just an instance of third worldism that's come to this, come to this country. And yeah, they're trying to backfill and be like, no, he's actually speaking about like housing and like that's. He's really like prying deep into these concerns that New Yorkers have. I'm like, like the New Yorker you have in your head is in Florida right now. He left like 10 years ago. What we're dealing with is an entirely different composition of people. The entire pop. I mean, half of Queens is foreign born. When Trump was growing up there, it was certainly not the case. And by the way, Trump's keenly aware of that. But yeah, this like trying to intellectualize Mamdani when it's very straightforward what he's doing. This is just how politics is conducted in his homeland of Uganda. Like, the wholesome Chungus populism stuff needs to stop.

[Jack Posobiec]

So when I confronted Mandami in the White House, in the Oval Office, Patriot, that's. And I knew that. I knew that I would get a question and or at least have the opportunity to kind of get a question in. And I knew he was coming in and I was actually at the White House for a totally separate thing, but it was on the same day. And then Madame showed up early. And it was funny because Trump was actually like, he's like, oh, he made a big mistake. You don't show up early because he's like sitting in the. He's sitting in the lobby. Yeah. For the Oval. And he goes, should I let him in? Should I Let him in, I said, make him sweat, Mr. President.

[Tate Brown]

You know, he's out in the hallway, stupid over bull eating with his hands.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, no, so I actually, my. It's funny you mentioned that, because my original thought was that I wasn't gonna ask him a question originally. I was like. I was like, I don't wanna give him a question. I just want. I was like. I looked around, I was like, danny, you guys have a fork?

[Tim Cast News Producer]

What do you mean?

[Jack Posobiec]

I was like. And I said, cause I just wanna take a fork. Give me a plastic fork. I The. What are you gonna do? And I was like, well, I just want to walk over, hand it to him. And. And then the answer, of course I got was like, we don't actually. I don't think you're allowed to do that, like in Bring those things like that into the Oval Office. But no, it's for it. Okay, fine. No, so I didn't. So I think. Okay, so I'm trying to. I'm thinking about this. Okay, I've got a question. I've got maybe only a chance to get one question in. And what is it? And because I wanted to specifically pierce this like, stupid idea that people have that he's trying to do something to help the city. He's not trying to help the city, he's trying to help his people. And he's doing that by specifically targeting one group of people that he has designated as the enemy class, the kulaks that he wants to then take what they have built and give it to others. And it's so key, by the way, that he said white neighborhoods. And that's why I brought that up to him. I said, these are your words. You know they're not. Yes, they are. No. Yes. He denies it. Like it's like denying Jesus three times. Like he denies it three times and says, no, I didn't. No, I didn't know. It's your words. Why'd you say that? Well, that was descript. That was a. Those were words of description, not words of intent. So you intend to tax the neighborhoods you described as white? More. How does that change? And the Eddie he was getting, like, really? He was like kind of quivering. His. His legs were bouncing, which you're not allowed to do here.

[Tate Brown]

There's all these.

[Jack Posobiec]

Tim has all these signs around that say, do not pounce your.

[Tate Brown]

Logan.

[Jack Posobiec]

Logan Hall.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Logan.

[Jack Posobiec]

Paul. Logan Hall. Logan Hall. Logan. Man, what a what. What an anti. Patriot. And patriotism is lacking. A traitor. And. And so, so we. And I just. I square up on this and you could see that nobody had ever really challenged him on this topic before. And, you know, I don't know why anyone in New York hadn't tried to actually just call him out on this to his face. And you've got to do that, though, when you call out somebody. Don't let them play these linguistic games. Just stick on the point. You said this. Why did you say this? Why? I didn't make a racial. You brought up race.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Why did you say white people? Because what he's doing. And that's where he slipped up. Because to John's point, all of this is done with a wink and a nod to. And you saw it, of course, in his, in his victory speech as well. And I mentioned it. I said, you didn't. You didn't thank white people, you thank Christians. You didn't say the word America once. But we hear, what was it like the, the Bangladeshi cab driver and the abuela. And he's very clear. He's very clear. These are my constituents, right? The South Asians, the immigrants, the non New Yorkers. These are my constituents. And I will take the things that the actual New Yorkers have made and built and constructed for all these years and I will give it to you. And it's key, by the way, and I'll just end on this, that he said the white neighborhoods. Notice he didn't necessarily say the rich. You notice that he didn't say it like, like a quote unquote, like traditional Marxist would.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

He. That's how, you know he's a cultural Marxist.

[Tate Brown]

Well, that's what he's thinking in his head. He's not thinking of the Upper east side. He's thinking of like Maspeth. He's thinking of Staten island. Like actually just like normal middle class white people. Because he said in his own words in college that he resents white people because he was rejected by white women growing up.

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[John Doyle]

Every such.

[Tate Brown]

He couldn't, he couldn't pull any white women. Now he's like gonna just take it out on these, like, middle class Irish people in aspects. They're gonna be on the receiving end of this resentment. And then, yeah, to your point, like, where you can just read them their words. I mean, this happened the other day. If you go watch Jasmine Crockett was on Jake Tapper show. And Jake Tapper didn't press her. All he did was just read her quote where she was basically saying that Hispanics and black people that voted for Trump in Texas were slaves. And he literally read her quote, verbatim and she's like, that's not what I was saying at all. I don't know what you're talking about.

[John Doyle]

But what would you say if you had said that?

[Tate Brown]

I know. So it's just like. Like the new strategy is just read these people's words back to them and then just watch them quiver. And it's really frustrating because at the point that the stage that the left is at, I don't even know if that really even works anymore. I mean, like, legitimately, they just. It's so over.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, it doesn't. It doesn't work on them. But what you can hopefully do is try to find people in the middle who may be kind of trapped up in this, like, pretzel logic that John's talking about of. No, no, it's. It's really good, actually, that, that our enemies are winning, you know, And. And you just say to them, no, it's. It's very clear what he's doing. This isn't some deregulation, like, based libertarian kind of thing.

[Tate Brown]

He's.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it's. It's still just gay race Marxism, gay race Communism, over and over and over. And no, you know, to your point, and the other people who have this take like, oh, Mandami is going to be so bad that, like, it's going to change people's minds and they'll rise up. It's like, when. When does that happen, exactly? Like, when. When does that happen? Happen? When did the people just rise up on their own?

[Tate Brown]

Because I. Doyle's point.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, never seen it.

[Tate Brown]

This time last year I was in South Africa. I saw it firsthand. Like, the people there know exactly what's going on. Everyone there's radicalized, everyone there is awake. It's just like once power is stripped away from you and they cut off your avenues to power, it's over.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's why. That's why Elon is so good on a lot of these issues. Because he's already lost a country.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And. And he's. I feel like he's never come out and just said it, but you can tell that's why he fights so hard against this stuff.

[Phil Labonte]

He's come close, but.

[Jack Posobiec]

But not like he's called out the South African government plenty of times, but I don't know if he's ever just specifically said this. What we did was wrong. Right. When we turned the country over and wrote wokeism and DEI and critical race theory into our. When Bill Clinton went with Nelson Mandela and rose critical race theory into the Constitution of South Africa. It destroyed our country.

[Tate Brown]

Yep. So true.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. So I'm gonna try to. I think we've got this, this piece here. We're gonna bring up this story here from the Daily Mail. An exclusive Charlie Kirk shooting suspect, twisted courtroom remarks revealed from the Daily Mail. The Utah man accused of murdering Charlie Kirk made a series of upsetting remarks about the late conservative and his family, as well as his own mental health and loved ones. During his first in person court hearing, Tyler Robinson, 22, told attorney Catherine Nestor, I think about the shooting daily every morning, all the time. Forensic lip reading expert Nicole Hickling revealed after watching footage filmed at Thursday's proceedings in Provo, Utah. You know, I, I can imagine that Jack has the most to say about this, but before we jump to Jack, it's my sense that, that this, this guy, if he is the, the, the actual murder, he's behaving as if he's just totally remorseless.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

I mean, I would too if you have, you know, if you have half the people that want him on trial, if even that, even if even Charlie's fans are divided now, now after the whole Candace thing, you know, his chances at a mistrial or hell, even getting off are pretty high right now. I mean, he'll, he could potentially have jurors on the trial that are like, I don't know if he even did it too. You know, you would think conservatives would have the, you know, be the most ardent to put him behind bars for life, but that's not even true. I mean, I've seen a poll online, you know, Twitter, where it's. Someone's asking, I think it was you, Jack, who asked, you know, who, who do you think killed Charlie Kirk? You know, there was.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I didn't, I, I've talked about it, but I didn't do the poll now.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Oh, gotcha. Well, it was somewhere online someone asked it and it was asking, you know, was it Tyler Robinson or is it someone else? And it was split 50, 50. And, you know, if I was a Tyler Robinson, you know, I'd be smiling too, because his chances of getting away from, you know, would. With, you know, the shooting of the century right now are, you know, remarkably high.

[Phil Labonte]

So.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, so let's, let's just go and, and Phil, do you want to actually read the, the piece there? Because there's that video that went viral, I think yesterday.

[Phil Labonte]

Of, you know, of Tyler in the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Tyler. I mean, it's kind of hard to say, but just, just smirking and, and, you know, some people said he Was laughing. I would say grinning is probably, you know, better word, but yeah, smirking, grinning, Looking smug. Just looking really, really smug. And, you know, I said, well, no wonder they want to pull the cameras out, because they can't stop their, their defendant, their client from, from smirking and, and cracking up and cracking jokes while, you know, there's a guy who's not going to be going home to his family on Christmas and his little children and his wife. And you're sitting in the courtroom just, just laughing it up with your, with your lawyers. Of course they want the cameras off. That's why they're pulling that. But then, I don't know, Phil, if you wanted to read that line. So I guess Daily Mail hired a lip reader.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

And the lip reader said that according to her, she believes this is what he was saying to his attorney.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I think about the shooting daily, every morning, all the time. The expert, Nicole Hickling, said she watched the footage and, and that's what she saw Tyler saying. I mean, look, the. If this is the guy, which, it's my personally, my. I think that they, they probably got the right guy. The. He turned himself in and there is an abundance of evidence that, that points to him. And, and if, if it is, he's not doing himself any favors. I mean, even down to Jack, you pointed this out, even down to the, the, the colors that he was wearing, you know, the first day. The tie color, if you're unfamiliar, it's the same color as the, the trans flag.

[John Doyle]

I have it right here. Transgender, like, boyfriend turn him in or something. It was.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no, the parents.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

His parents.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[John Doyle]

I remember there were rumors when it, like, first happened that, like, the transgender, like, partner turned him in. And I remember tweeting something.

[Jack Posobiec]

It was cooperation about.

[John Doyle]

It's like the boyfriend, like, imagine, you know, you see what happens with, like, Luigi Maggie, Luigi Maggion, and you think, think that you're gonna, like, have that same kind of, like, fangirl energy or something, and then your, like, transgender partner turns you in and it's like, dude, how can you be surprised that, like, Z switched up on you when Z switched up on himself first?

[Tate Brown]

Like, so.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and if you actually. So there, there's another line on there where it says the forensic lip reading expert also said, so he had a wife.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

The Utah man accused of murdering Charlie Kirk made a series of upsetting remarks about the late conservative and his family, as well as his own mental health and loved ones during his first in person court hear. Court hearing. Tyler Robinson, 22 told attorney Katherine Nester. I think about the shooting daily, every morning, all the time. Forensic le. Forensic lip reading expert Nicole Nicola Hickling revealed after watching footage filmed at Thursday's proceeding in Provo, Utah. So he had a wife. Robinson was then filmed saying in reference to 31 year old Kirk's widow Erica, 37.

[Jack Posobiec]

So can, like, all right, before I even comment on this, does that sound like something a normal person would be saying in court to their lawyer? You know, can you, can anyone actually think that a lawyer would sit there and give their client advice, say, hey, make sure you talk about the shooting when we're sitting there and definitely talk about his wife. Like, like you would, you would probably sit there and I'm not a defense attorney, but. And I don't think any of us are lawyers, but you would just think com basic common sense would be like, like sit there, don't show any emotion, look serious, be, be respectful, be respectful. The judge respectful of the process. And he's babbling. He's just babbling about again. If, you know, if this is. Oh, we kept going, wait, I didn't even seen this part.

[Phil Labonte]

Hickling, who runs Lip Readers, you know what I mean?

[Jack Posobiec]

Like, he's babbling like someone who is just totally radicalized.

[Phil Labonte]

Hickling, who runs Lip Reader, told the Daily Mail that Robinson's reflections turned inward and that he gestured lightly as if trying to express exhaustion. Nestor's responses to Robinson accused of shooting Kirk dead in Orem, Utah in September were not visible, but Robinson continued to bear her soul, to bear his soul to her. Just smoking a lot, not sleeping at night. It's driving me mental, he said, according to Hickling. Unfortunately, it's doing my head in. I'm not good for anything. I mean, I'm, I'm not particularly swayed by any kind of stress that he's. He's under. Again, he was turned in by his parents and he was.

[Jack Posobiec]

So he's talking about his mother too.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Here, actually. Next, Robinson began speaking about his mother, Amber Robinson. My mother goes away to see friends, to be away from the media, which I think makes sense. After another back and forth, he then said, what I would like to do is make it as easy as possible by answering all of their questions. So there's no comeback. It is unclear about what comeback Robinson was referring to.

[Jack Posobiec]

Come back.

[Phil Labonte]

It goes on. He and Nestor then discussed procedural issues which offered no further insight into the shooting, Robinson's state of mind, or his questions about Charlie and Erica Kirk. Thursday's appearance was the first time Robinson was seen in person after making previous court appearances via video or audio feed from jail. As he entered the courtroom, he smiled at the people sitting in a row reserved for family where his mother teared up and wiped away wiped her eyes with a tissue. Robinson's father, Matt, was the one who handed him into the authorities after recognizing his son in surveillance footage shared from the assassination that shocked the world. Robinson's legal team in the Utah County Sheriff's Office have asked Judge Tony Graff to ban cameras in the courtroom. Shortly after the proceedings started, Judge Graff ordered all press and public to leave the room. The defense asked the judge to allow Robinson's parents to stay, which was quickly denied. Gaff had already made allowances to protect Robinson's presumption of innocence before the trial. Agreeing that the case has drawn extraordinary public attention, the judge held a closed hearing on October 24th in which guys.

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[Tate Brown]

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[Jack Posobiec]

All right, so, so just. And, and of course, you know, I think all of us here want cameras. No question. You know, we don't want to. We don't want to impede on the proceedings, but we want the proceedings to be full. My analysis, just looking at, reading this for the first time and hearing this for the first time, they've completely lost control of their client. They have no, they have no control over this guy, his actions, his statements whatsoever. There's no world where you'd want someone talking like that at a trial. I mean, I remember Derek Chauvin's trial, who I believe is innocent, certainly of murder, that he, he doesn't really speak, you know, and then Kyle Rittenhouse, same idea. He doesn't speak until he goes on the stand. And. But this guy is, he's just babbling. He's just, it's diarrhea, the mouth. And it almost sounds like that line where he's talking about the comeback, right? I want to, I want to answer all their questions. So there's no comeback. And this is the way I read it. You know, you guys might have a different opinion, but it sounds to me like he wants to talk to the media, right? He's, he's saying it in the context of my mom's trying to get away from the media, so maybe I can go and talk to them and answer all their questions so they don't come back on my mom. And it. Let him. Just let him. Yeah, right. Go right ahead. No, let's. Let's hear it. Let's hear it up. Let's hear it up.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Let's hear every. Let's hear every word. Because he's sitting there smiling, laughing, grinning, and, and again, that he's talking about, oh, what's my mom going to be up to? It's like, well, I know a guy who's not going to be with his family this Christmas. I know a guy who's not going to be. I Know, two kids that aren't going to be with their dad this Christmas. For Charlie's son, this is what, it's his second Christmas. He only one Christmas, entire life with his dad, one, which at an age that, you know, he's not going to remember, there's gonna be photos. He won't remember that. And, and their daughter, I mean, hopefully she does, you know, maintain some actual memories of their father. Beyond three, Right. Yeah. So beyond the, you know, photos and images and, you know, I'm. I'm sure obviously we'll all tell them stories and, and be there, but my God. And. And to think that there are people who like. Okay, sorry. It's. Looking at this picture of him smiling, it really bothers me. And I know. Yeah. If your logic, if your thesis is that this guy was a patsy and he's been wrongfully accused, all right, how do you fit that with all of this? How do you fit that with this? How. Just explain to me that. How does that make any sense? And by the way, they said his mom's right there. So if his mom's right there, the media is right there. She doesn't say anything to them. She doesn't say, my son is innocent.

[Tate Brown]

What?

[Jack Posobiec]

Mom doesn't say my son is innocent.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Well, just walk me through that.

[Phil Labonte]

You imagine following, even, like, just leaving the courtroom.

[Jack Posobiec]

Make it make sense.

[Phil Labonte]

He's innocent or what have you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Someone.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well.

[Jack Posobiec]

And when she left the. When she left the courtroom because Brian Etten, who works for a news nation, who's a fantastic. He's, you know, does a lot of these crime cases. He did Brian Coburger, similar situation. And Brian Coburger, by the way, physiognomy, identical. By the way, physiognomy check never fails. And that at one point, they went to speak. So it was the lawyers and the judge were getting into these motions regarding the cameras, and so everybody had to leave the courtroom, and that included his family. They said, can the family say. Judge said, no, I just want it to be, you know, the, the legal teams. Okay, so the mom's out there in the hallway with Brian Entten, with media. They're all there for hours, and she doesn't once say, my son's innocent. Come on. Just. Just really, like, really, like we're really supposed to believe that this guy who's sitting there laughing, smug, smiling, coking and joking, having a good time, is. Is wrongfully accused?

[Phil Labonte]

He's entered a plea of not guilty, correct?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, not yet. He hasn't been arranged.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, he has not. He has yet to actually been arraigned. This, this is all. This. Not even pretrial. This is pre arraignment. Okay. So I believe the way the Utah works, I totally could be getting this wrong, but I believe there's a presumption of that. But even this is just all preliminary because it is a capital case. And in a capital case, they, you know, there are so many steps you have to go through and, and it's a lot slower. It's not like tv, you know, drama.

[Phil Labonte]

They were, they were, they were scheduling things out to June of next year, if I understand.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, and I think the next, the next hearing isn't for two months, so it'll be February 3rd is, if I remember correctly, when they're going to actually, we're actually going to hear on this question of whether or not there'll be cameras. And, and again, so this is what we have to go off of this lip reader. And he's very close to the camera, by the way. So this isn't like some pseudoscience where he's like, you know, all the way across the room and you're like, zooming in and pixelating. He's right next to the camera, which. And to. And the judge actually called that out and made them move the camera because it was so close. But yes, you could see what he's saying. And I actually was trying to kind of read his lips a little bit, too. And so here's the professional lip reader saying all this. I think about the shooting every day. So do I. Yeah. Yeah. So do I. So do I. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not sure that, that they're, you know, does anyone else have anything to add? I mean, this is.

[Jack Posobiec]

But I mean, here's, here's, here's, I guess the, the question and, and, you know, yeah, I'm a little emotional about this, but it's like, how do you, how do you fit this with the idea that this guy is, like, totally, like, set up and he wasn't the one who pulled the trigger? And, and all this, like, how does that. I don't get it. I just don't get it.

[John Doyle]

You would just, like, choose to believe that it's all kayfabe and he's out there giggling on direct orders from his handlers because then people like us are like, wait, he's giggling like he got away with something. And then you can do this, like, mental gymnastics where you're like, yeah, but it's because he's supposed to do this. Because if I Choose to believe this. It makes it all so much more entertaining and it's just like completely selfish. I mean, you're discounting not only a guy's entire like body of work, but a body of work that he died doing further, that he died doing specifically for you. And people who are claiming to be on the right and who believe in these things are willing to set all of that aside because they personally find it more entertaining to think that something is a foot. There's some kind of op, which again, like they, they're, and this is, we were talking about this upstairs actually how dishonest that framing is. Again with this, like I have to perpetually believe I'm, you know, a revolutionary or whatever. You are convincing yourself that, that it is not the most popular thing in the world right now to celebrate this guy's assassination and to deny, more importantly that it was a leftist who did it. You're not gonna get censored for that. In fact, you'll be platformed on all the mainstream platforms. You can do epic collabs with other influencers to just spread this pollution out there because what the left would like more than anything. They're not gonna tell you that you have to necessarily celebrate the assassination, but they will tell you that you can't say it was a leftist. You can say it was whoever you want, but do not allow for that ire to be directed at the leftist political project.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, right. Immediately upon hearing that Tyler had family that were conservative, then the, the narrative online became, well, you know, his parents were this. So of course he wasn't on the left. Of course he didn't, he didn't believe these things. He was, he was a, he was a MAGA guy. And that's still, I've seen polls that's still very popular among fairly normal people. They think, oh no, he, he wasn't a leftist. He was, he was just a, you know, a disturbed kid or he was, he was actually a conservative, etc. And, and that kind of, the, kind of poisoning the well that the, the left has managed to do. Sure. You know, they hear that and they, they amplify these ideas. They amplify this when, if you talk to people around him, Tyler, they would say that he was definitely a leftist. You know, he was left leaning guy. There were, there were messages prior to Charlie's murder that were saying that we're talking about Charlie being murdered on that day. So the, the preponderance of evidence is that he was a left leaning guy and that he was, you know, dating another Dating a trans guy, and that this is. This is based on politics, based on the fact that Charlie disapproved of his lifestyle, and so he felt the need to, you know, To. To violently react to that.

[John Doyle]

And that's why I hate it. Because they think that they're being so edgy, because they're rejecting the narrative of, like, the FBI or whatever. But you're not being edgy because you don't want the fight. You want to make it a conversation about, oh, he's a disturbed kid, which is to say, let's talk about mental health. Disturbed kids do a lot of stuff. They torment animals. They do whatever. A political assassination is not the first thing I would expect from a disturbed, disturbed kid. Is he disturbed? Like, clearly, yes, but this is specifically political in context, and it's because he responds to social incentives that are created by the media, whether that's, you know, the mainstream media or, you know, your alt media streamers who spend decades or years just inciting this kind of violence, specifically against normal conservative activists. So, yeah, it is actually like a left versus right thing. And you're not smarter. You're not being more honest by, like, polluting that. And that's why I hate so much of the conspiracy theorizing, and I don't use that word, by the way, as a pejorative. The way the left says, oh, oh, you're just a conspiracy theorist. I mean, like, literally the whole idea with talking about conspiracy theories is that it's supposed to take the shackles off and we can all finally be more honest and we can understand the truth more accurately and we can maybe make some progress. But actually, all that's happened is it's completely, like, ruined people's ability to think about things accurately. And now everybody is more dishonest and they lie and they're more treacherous than ever. But they say that. I'm just asking questions. I'm asking the truth.

[Jack Posobiec]

But when you push back on some of this stuff, like, and I. And. And by the way, you know, I get it, right? I get it. Why. Why suddenly believe the government after, like, you know, all these years? Sure, fine. Okay. But you don't have to do that to just look at evidence and actually follow the lot. Inherent logic of a case. So we know that there were specific phrases etched onto these bullets.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

What do they refer to? Oh, look, the gay community, the trans community, the furry community. Funny how the LGBT guys don't. Don't call this, you know, great moments in LGBT history. You know, you don't see. Yes. He, like, Charlie was shot by a gay guy. So like, nobody, nobody seems to frame it that way at all. Yet we know he was in a homosexual relationship and nobody challenges this. So. So we know that. And yet, you know, no one ever frames it. But. So the left wing, they're, they're homosexual and, and obviously involves trans. And beyond that, though, when you ask, start getting into just the basic evidence that we already know, people say, oh, well, he hated guns, right? So this is where the magical thinking goes, goes beyond just, well, what if this happened? It's not just asking questions because you're introducing facts that either aren't in evidence or facts that just aren't true. You say, well, I heard he hated guns, but there's pictures of him shooting guns his entire life. There's reporting from his co workers that he used to say, I, I'm a great shot. I love shooting at long range. I can shoot at long range. So you're just going to discount all that because that hurts your narrative. Again, that's the magical thinking. The other. And the biggest one for me on all of this, right? Well, two biggest ones. And the biggest one is his parents. I keep coming back to that, that what parent would turn their kids in and pick up that phone if they didn't think they had to? And everybody wants to, oh, fed slob, fed narrative. And it's like, but it wasn't the feds that caught him. In fact, the feds looked really bad because they announced a wrongful arrest. And this guy was running around screaming that he was the real shooter, but he wasn't. And then they looked really bad. And I remember all this, cause obviously I was very close to it at the time that Trump calls in cash and Dan and says, you need to get out there and figure this out and like unscrew this situation. So they go out there and then they put out the pictures and then it's the parents who identify their son. Then they look at the gun and they say, wait a minute, isn't that Grandpa's gun that we gave to Tyler? And I believe if you read the affidavit, the father calls or texts the son and says, can you send me a picture of Grandpa's gun done right now? Because, because he had already known that it had been, you know, it had been captured. So that was sort of like his check on it again. So that's just the facts. And you would have to ignore all of that or assume somehow, to John's point, that all of these people are in on it.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[John Doyle]

All.

[Jack Posobiec]

All, like the parents, the mom, the brother. And for some reason, they don't. They. They never break character for again, like, because of these mysterious forces that seem to be surrounding them.

[Phil Labonte]

Or.

[Jack Posobiec]

Or it's just a gay communist.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Well, and also, like, his classmates have to be on it, who gave statements to the press literally right after the shooting saying, yeah, his politics did not mesh with his families. They had to be like. Like, it's just. And this is, to John's point is it's this, like, larping. It's like shadow boxing. These. These powerful institutions that really are shells of what they used to be in many ways, where they're, like, attributing it to, like, the French government and the Israelis. It's literally shadow boxing because it's like the only thing that's clearly indicated if you really wanted to threaten power would be directly addressing the issue that trans people are increasingly violent. That's actually a threat because after the shooting, when everybody in the GOP was focused for like, five days, everyone on the left was coming out like, no, we denounce all political violence, but, like, this is separate this, that and the other. Like, they felt the heat coming down their neck. And then as soon as, you know, everybody comes unglued and starts spurging, starts blaming everybody else that was not involved whatsoever. You see, it. It's just. It's just.

[Jack Posobiec]

And, you know, I don't know if it's on the show much, but Nick Fuentes had a great point about the gun, and he was saying, so. All right, let me just get this straight. That if the FBI planted all of these things, but Charlie wasn't actually shot with a.30 out six, why would they leave a different gun in the woods than the actual caliber of the gun that shot him? If they're so super powerful, or Mossad or whoever it was, if they're so super powerful, why did they get the caliber of the gun wrong? Because we knew about the caliber of the bullet in Charlie and we knew about. Then we got the rifle, the rifle that was found. So if you get what I'm saying, if they were lying about one, why wouldn't they also lie about the other?

[Tate Brown]

Why would they have public flight logs? Like, like, what is this, amateur hour? From these, like, shadowy figures? Like, they're just like, yeah, we're going to. We're going to get a jet and escape, but make sure it's on flight radar. Make sure it's still on that. Like, what are we doing here?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah, what are we doing here?

[Phil Labonte]

So I want to bring this up in. In this context, because I think it. I think that it's related. Governor Newsom was doing an interview with Ezra Klein, and he specifically said, I want to see trans kids. There' Governor, that's done more pro trans legislation than I have. Listen, there is no such thing as a trans kid. Okay? I don't care what anyone says. There is no such thing as a trans child.

[John Doyle]

That is.

[Phil Labonte]

That is. That is just like. There is no such thing. That's a kid. That's also a truck. Okay? It just doesn't exist. But we'll go ahead and listen.

[John Doyle]

So we didn't get into transports. That's an issue no one wants to.

[Tate Brown]

Hear about because 80 of the people.

[John Doyle]

Listening disagree with my position on this.

[Jack Posobiec]

But I.

[John Doyle]

But it comes from my heart, not just my head. It wasn't a political evolution. It was position being that I. I don't think it's. I. I want to see trans kids.

[Tate Brown]

I have a trans godson.

[John Doyle]

I'm not. There's no governor to sign more pro.

[Tate Brown]

Trans legislation than I have.

[John Doyle]

And no one has been a stronger advocate for the ltp. We didn't get.

[Phil Labonte]

That's just child abuse. And I. I don't care that. That people think that. You know, I'm sure that I'll catch flack from the left for saying that, but that's. That's pure child abuse. Right? Like, there's no. There's no such thing as a trans child. Like, you can have your opinions about transgender adults, but trans kids is a total fabrication. And it's because these children are confused and their parents are pushing the stuff on their kids.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, obviously. And I mean, look, at the end of the day, right, no one. Like, we should get back to actual basics on this and stuff up and like, just deny the frame completely. No one can actually turn themselves into another gender.

[Tate Brown]

It's.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's not possible. It's. It's biologically impossible to do that.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, we're all. We're all guys around here. And guess what? Our genetic code is male, which means that it will always be male. So you can make these cosmetic changes. And I think there's a new form of surgery that.

[Phil Labonte]

Talking about someone. Someone was talking on Twitter about having their pelvis reshaped in order to. To go from a. A more a masculine skeleton to a feminine skeleton.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so this is like Turkish heightening. Yeah.

[John Doyle]

And to that.

[Phil Labonte]

But it's actually people on the left and people that are. That are lgbtq Advocates, they will say that you. That men and women are the same. And then you'll reply, well, you know, an archaeologist is going to look at your bones in a thousand years, and they're going to know if you were a man or a woman. And they will deny it. They will say, no, you're wrong, they can't. But there's. There are people out there that are going and saying, I'm going to have my skeleton adjusted in order to be more feminine.

[Jack Posobiec]

But again, it's still cosmetic because you could still pull that. So, by the way, the reason they're talking about that is because in. There's like a meme about this, right, that you could still pull someone's skeleton. You can tell the gender. Well, guess what? Even if you get your pelvis elongated.

[Phil Labonte]

What are we talking, widened or whatever?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Even if you get your pelvis restructured, guess what? You could still pull the bone marrow. And guess what? From the bone marrow, we can tell your chromosomes and we could see the xy. And guess what? It's still there.

[John Doyle]

That would still not worse. Because, like, if the archaeologist, a thousand years from now, like, sees your skeleton, he knows that, like, you were a male, but he didn't know that you were like, an insane male. But then if you have the surgery, he's like, as a male, it's worse, actually.

[Jack Posobiec]

Imagine if we found one of those. Imagine if we found one of those. Now be like, oh, my gosh, what kind of battle was this person in.

[Phil Labonte]

Scarring on the.

[John Doyle]

On the skeleton museum for all history. Like, your skeletons up there in museum, and you're just like, gay male.

[Tate Brown]

They're gonna. They're gonna dig it up and be like, the Trump regime was brutal. They were breaking men's pelvises in half. They were barbarians.

[Jack Posobiec]

Ah, yes. A form of t. A form of torture.

[John Doyle]

That one Navy seal, he's like. He was, you know, putting power into the trumpet bedroom, was making these, like, guys at his concubine, and he was widening their hips.

[Tate Brown]

Dude, it's going to be like, no, they're going to like those tik toks where the welders are, like, judging other guys. Welds, they're going to be looking at like, that Weld is terrible, dude. I would have never stitched a pelvis together like that. Like, what are we doing?

[John Doyle]

The hip to waist ratio is not quite at the 0.67.

[Tate Brown]

That clavicle guy comes out.

[John Doyle]

Oh, no.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, no.

[Phil Labonte]

I do want to. I do want to.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Up high, down low. In heaven. Six, seven.

[Phil Labonte]

So I do want to. I do.

[Jack Posobiec]

I have, I have kids.

[Phil Labonte]

Listen, I, I want to point out.

[Jack Posobiec]

Though, my five year old taught me that.

[Tate Brown]

Really?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Five year old.

[Phil Labonte]

I want to point out Gavin Newsom is leading in the polls for the Democratic election. Now, granted, I mean, obviously it's super far out. I understand it. And a lot of things will change. And usually the person that's leading this far out isn't actually the person that gets the nomination. But the, the point remains, this stuff is still alive and well on the left. People that say that the, the midterms don't matter and, and, you know, elections don't change anything and nothing ever changes, etc, they are wrong. Okay. And if. Yeah, you want to bring that up by call. She. The. It looks exceedingly likely right now. Again, I know it's early and things change and this will change as well. Well, but Gavin Newsom is in the lead to be the Democrat nominee. And if he becomes president, all of the bad things that people hated about the, the Biden administration, all of the LGBT stuff that will be, that will return tenfold. The guy is saying that he wants to see trans children when there are no such thing as trans children. Okay, this guy, you don't want this guy to be the president. We don't want Democrats to be in power. We don't want, want this kind of insanity to come back. This is one of the reasons why the Democrats lost. Like, yes, of course it's, it's an economic issue. Those kind of things matter a lot. But these kind of cultural issues, going after kids, the idea that if you were, if you and your wife break up and your wife's like, no, my kid's trans and I'm gonna run to California and have younger.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And have genital mutilation that's paid for by the state. Like, that's a reality.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I actually know someone in real life who is getting divorced over politics. And, you know, he's. It was sort of like they were both. I'm trying to say this without, you know, revealing anything, but, like, sort of like they were both on the left before, but then he became more on the right.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then she just, just can't, can't. Can't handle that they have three kids. And that's the very first thing I said is you got to be careful with all this gender stuff because she will try to take your little boy and trans him to get back at you. She will.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. I mean, it's, it's possible It's. It's a real.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think it's likely.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, always little boys.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Why is it always boys?

[Tate Brown]

Very sailing.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

That one.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, if I understand correctly, I think that it. That's. That actually women do more transitioning than boys than. Or girls transition more often than boys.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no, but I'm saying when it's moms.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, yeah. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. But again, John, I was saying, like, this guy is the guy that's in the lead. And if the Democrats get back into power, for all the people that say the midterms don't matter, that. That say that, you know, elections don't change anything, etc, if this guy becomes the president, all of the bad things that you saw about, you know, about the LGBT stuff from the. From the White House, like, dudes pulling out fake boobs on the White House lawn, like, that stuff will come back with a vengeance.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. You know, in my old age, I don't really. I know that I'm not going to. On my deathbed, wish that I'd spent more time conversing with the. And so I've really tried to give myself permission to just, like, not engage with people who are fundamentally unserious. And if you didn't get it that this is, like, a real thing, like, up until the Kirk assassination and now you get it, like, that's fine. I don't hold grudges. But if you still, like, don't get it, then you're just, like, you're off the team, man. And you saw this a lot with, like, the Gavin Newsom thing where, because, you know, J.D. vance has an Indian wife. And so people were saying very seriously that, like, we need Gavin Newsom to be president because look at his beautiful family.

[Phil Labonte]

Unreal.

[John Doyle]

Your pro family. You're pro Gavin Newsom. This is your Gavin Newsom administration. Right. Literally convincing through propaganda organs, be that social media, mainstream media influencer, there's convincing the minds of young. Convincing young children that they are, like, not the gender, that they actually are. Their parents are against them, they're evil. The state should come in and confiscate the. That's your guy. Because what? Because you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, dude.

[John Doyle]

Wouldn't it be funny if. Because Gavin Newsom is a Democrat, I'm so edgy for wanting to support Democrats. This is a real thing. This obviously has real consequences. We're not playing with action figures. Right. So it's just, like, a fundamentally unserious thing. He's obviously, like, evil. And again, Democrat, like, this is their guy.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[John Doyle]

The only Talent they have, insofar as he's talented. Talent, that's their guy. These are not. This is not a party of people who are even capable of being accidentally moral or correct on one issue. Like, like, this is how they exist. That's the kind of guy who ascends in their ranks. Anybody who would have done right is outcast.

[Phil Labonte]

And if it's not. And if it's not him. What?

[John Doyle]

I think everything is enough.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I know, but I mean, no, I'm just, I'm just gonna pick your brain. Do you think it's an OP to target, you know, the sort of, like, elements of the right to pull their support away from JD Vans?

[John Doyle]

Absolutely.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And say, oh, look, actually, Gavin Newsom, his family is, is all white.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And you know, this, this is what you should be for. You know, see, he's got white children and therefore you should be for him. And like, do you actually think there are people that are pushing that who, you know, maybe not work directly for Newsom but, you know, have that intention?

[John Doyle]

Absolutely. I mean, that's like what we talked about, you know, earlier with how do you get young men to not support the Trump Vance political project, Push them over the skis. And you say it's not based enough for you because Vance is married to an Indian woman. And xyz and it's like, okay, dude. And half these guys too, they claim to be Catholic. So it's like, okay, you know, he's raising the kids Catholic. We're all one under God, like, so what is the issue? And then the other half are like, not even white themselves. I have like Pakistanis who are like, J.D. vance made a knee. So I'm like, what? His kids are going to be more Anglo than you. So like, what's the problem?

[Phil Labonte]

I think this is one of the problems with, with totalizing white identitarianism. Because if you're just a white identitarian and you look at J.D. vance with his, you know, his mixed race kids and you look at Gavin Newsome, then the obvious, the choice would be, well, Gavin Newsome is white, so he must think like me. But it doesn't matter because obviously Gavin Newsome will allow your wife to take your son into California and mutilate them.

[Jack Posobiec]

But I would even, I would even say to, to that, who do you think is going to have better policies?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Or people, if this is what you want. Gavin Newsom's entire career has been anti white. Gavin Newsom's entire policies, entire governance, whether it's in San Francisco where he was mayor, whether it's in statewide, where he's governor. And now that he's kind of on the national stage, he's obviously anti white. He says it all the time. He says these things all the time. And his policies would be as well. So when we're talking about someone for elected office, you want someone whose policies are going to be the ones that you support and that benefit you and benefit your agenda and your side.

[Tate Brown]

And it's proof that like these movements are just purely like aesthetic based. And there's no actual serious strategy, there's no serious direction in moving, as you say all the time, moving the football down the field. It's purely aesthetic. And then so leftists can capitalize on that and be like, cc, doesn't he match your like Kino aesthetic posting? Yeah, it's like, it's so ridiculous. And then beyond that, like the attacks on his wife don't even make any sense because it's like, again, a lot of these guys are like supposedly like trad cast and it's like, what do you want him to do, like divorce his wife?

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Is that about their girlfriend or significant other? And it would be something.

[John Doyle]

And it's like to post those point earlier how it's actually worse than that in the sense that they're not only just like doing this mental, mental gymnastics, they're denying reality. Because the argument is like, well, how? And this is so simple. I wish that I were like 80 IQ so I could be like, yo, this is tough. It's like literally the argument is, okay, well, how can we expect JD Vance to be against H1B's if his wife is Indian? Because he's against H1B's. Yeah, everything he says is against that. He's guys on that. Yeah. So he's been perfect on that issue. Since the issue. He's known about that and fought for that before you even knew about it because it was put into your head head, which is a sandbox for the CIA. So he's perfect on that issue. He's our guy. And it's like, but what if one day he's not our guy? Because. And it's like, okay, you're just an idiot. Like, literally, you need to. You know, I've been doing this thing recently on Twitter. I've been DMing people links to DraftKings gift cards. I feel bad for them because they are fundamentally normies who are now running like a based OS on their normie hardware and it's confusing them and it's actually cruel you have to treat these people like they're animals who, like, like, wandered off the reservation. And now they're, like, in politics. And everything is very confusing to them. And there's all these ideas. They were never meant to have to understand these things. They would be better off if they were sports betting or, you know, one of these, like, sports. So I'm sending them gift card. I'm like, here, I'm trying to get you home. Okay.

[Tate Brown]

I know. That's why, like, Trump needs to make it a national imperative to, like, improve the quality of the NFL, because as the NFL has gotten worse, these guys are now, like, acting like they're politicos and it's ruining everything. It's like, just improve the product. Get rid of the kickoff rule so they can just go back to watching, like, the cowboys.

[John Doyle]

They're always just like the bread. And circuses are meant to distract us. You are always going to be distracted, and it would be better for you if it were the bread, literally, rather than, like, things that actually matter.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. So we can focus on governing. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Asmongold has made a great point. There are some people that are born just to make big rocks into smaller rocks.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

That should be. That's their station. That's what they should do. That's all they're going to be able to do. And I think that there's a lot of people that. Those people that are born to make big rocks into little rocks, they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Jack Posobiec]

Phil, are you denying the tabula rasa right now? Are you denying the blank slate?

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Oh, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I don't. I don't. I reject. I reject the idea that there is a thing called gender. You are either male or you are female. Gender is like your sex spirit. Like, it's all just BS like it to me. I totally reject the idea of gender. You're a man or you're a woman. You. You are male or you're a female.

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So I was John Money.

[John Doyle]

I was out to dinner one time with a young lady about five or six years ago and she was like one of these like leftist, you know. And I, I literally asked her like what, what do you mean? Because she was talking about like why she doesn't believe in gender. And you know, everybody can have their subjective non binary experience. Like what does that even mean? And she was like, well, I was looking at myself in the mirror one time and I thought, what does it even mean to be a woman? And I was like, oh, what do you mean? Because she was like, my experience as a woman is different from someone else's experience as a woman. Therefore it doesn't even exist as a concept. And so I immediately like repudiated that. I was like, you're insane. And she ended up now becoming like a far right Catholic or whatever because I took like five seconds to just like impart reality to her. But you're totally right about that. Even the word gender, look at like the, the etymology of it. Where do we see. Jen generates genesis in reference to, you know, creation der. Dermatology, taxidermy, flesh creating flesh. Right. The word itself is linked to the act which creates, you know, being like normal sex between like a man and a woman. And it is, it is not possible to separate that concept from the reality of biology being something that is binary between men and women. So you can't say, well, sex is biological, but gender is obviously different. Literally. No, dude, the word comes from that act itself which is of course rooted in biology and God's plan.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. So yeah, I, I just, I think that that the more we can kind of push the idea that gender is a. Is a total fabrication and obviously you know, the left. And the left agrees because they say gender is a social contract construct. And so they agree that it's just something that's created. And if it was created by man, then man can just stop using it and just leave it behind in the dustbin of history.

[Tate Brown]

But.

[Jack Posobiec]

But even what you said before is. Even I would say it goes a little bit beyond that, because you're saying that people have a specific purpose in life as well. And so it's like. Like, you know, for example, like, John Doyle's not gonna be a basketball player.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, well, listen, neither am I. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Phil, Neither are you. Yeah, Know, like. Like it just. Like it is what it is.

[Tate Brown]

I still have some eligibility left, if any recruiters.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so we. We can all. We can all laugh about that. But at the same time, that also lends itself to other areas and other fields as well. And so for people to just deny that and say, you could be whatever you want, and we hear these little lies that are told all throughout our society. You can be whatever you want. You could do. Actually, no, actually not.

[Phil Labonte]

True, true.

[Jack Posobiec]

There's this specific set of. And you want to go back, like, the Bible actually talks about this. Right. Everyone is given certain talents, Certain talents and certain gifts and certain abilities. And by the way, like, if your talent is, you know, being a minor and turning small, big rocks into smaller rocks, then that's amazing. Go be the greatest at that of all time. And by the way, so people want to. And there's nothing wrong with that. People want to knock on that. Go to the Royal Salt Mine of Krakow, and you will see that the Polish miners, what they would do down there is every single day when they would get off shift, they would chisel things into the. Into the walls of the mines and of the tunnels, and they would build elaborate cathedrals, and they would build chapels and statues and mosaics. And there's a giant one bigger than this room of the Last Supper, that one miner did every single day when he got off ship shift, and he never finished it. And then after he died, it was completed by his son. So, yeah, you know, like, sit. Sit there and tell me that. Like, that's not a good purpose. But guess what? He. That was the. The purpose that he found in his life, and he used it to enrich his family, to go home and have kids and to glorify God. What's wrong with that?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I'll say real quick as well. It's like the one thing that's frustrating with the gender debate as we're you know, we're pontificating on is actually my gripe's kind of with the right because it feels like the gop because they know that it's like, you know, at best a 60, 40, probably even 70, 30 issue. Like, the only people really pushing this is like the Democrat core base is that we've expended a lot of political capital on this fight, on this sort of debacle. But the thing is, the gender thing is actually downstream from the actual issue, which is fundamentally like the blank slate and that sort of thing. And that's what they adhere to. And the gop, a lot of these guys aren't ready to touch that yet, but they know that the gender thing is where they can score a lot of points in XP farm. And so it's kind of frustrating. It's like we've expended a lot of time and a lot of political capital on this issue and we've danced around what it's downstream from. It's like, okay, you knock out one leg, there's still like four legs left of this thing instead of actually attacking at the top.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's why I brought it up though, right?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Reason that I said, and I mean, Phil's the one who made the point, but that, that there is no such thing as a tabula rasa. Right? Genetics is real. Biology is real. All of the reality is real. Reality is just real. And we have to stop pretending that this, these made up concepts that don't comport with what we actually see as reality can be true. Because that's what leads you to the place where you're getting, you're getting bone pelvis surgery, literally, because. Because you've so convinced yourself that this is what I need. And guess what? You're not going to be happy. You're not going to be satisfied. You're not going to be fulfilled. If you want to be fulfilled, accept who you are and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, because Christ is king.

[Phil Labonte]

It's just gonna be one more. It's gonna be one more lie that you're gonna have to tell everybody for the rest of your life.

[Jack Posobiec]

Deep down, they all know it. Deep down, they all know it.

[Phil Labonte]

While you're lying to yourself about it, you're gonna have there and look yourself in the mirror and say, no, actually, I am this. But in the back of your mind, you're going to know you're not.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's why we see it. This is the community, the transgender community is the most. It is the most violent. And they have the. They have the most violent tendencies. And in fact, they have the most suicidal ideation of any single group in America.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's why.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I mean, I do kind of drop back into is like. And that's what. That's why you have to root this out at the top. Because, like, like I was saying earlier, where at this point is almost like a safe, edgy issue for the GOP to some regard. Because I remember when the arena's roots cut situation happened, it was like a day after the video came out, and everyone was outraged. And then I came. I gotta find. I can't remember which Republican congressman it was. He just tweeted out, like, by the way, there's only two genders. And it was like, yeah, we. We know. It's like, whoa, Truth nude. And it's like, hey, that lady just got stabbed. And like, we're trying to address black crime right now. And it's like, okay, yeah, you got that. We got that down. It's like, like, hello, this is. There's something above here. There's something like controlling this specific apparatus, frankly.

[John Doyle]

You know, if we want to be a little cynical, they don't even really have a good answer to the way the left is presenting the argument. Because, like, the way the left, like, sort of confronts the issue is to say, like, you know, what is gender? What is, like, the essence of male and female experience, behavior? And the right answer to that is just like, what are you talking about? Read a biology textbook. And it's like, okay, yes, like, you are correct. But. But if they're having a higher level conversation about, like, social constructs, what is womanhood? That is, frankly, a question that many on the right are afraid to confront because they don't want to get into trouble with their wives and make the claim that women have a way that they tend to behave and maybe should even ought to behave because they're afraid to get, you know, crap from a lot of the feminists that we have on our. On our side. A lot of girl bosses and a lot of wives who are married to guys who are basically like Ned Flanders. And so they'll take it there and say, like, of course there are two genes, genders, you know, whatever. It's like, okay, what does that mean? What does it mean to be a man? And more importantly, maybe right now, what does it mean to be a woman? How should women behave? We know how men behave. We have sort of known that for a while, actually. I don't Think that my behavior is much different from my grandfather's behavior. However, my sister's behavior. And she's a good girl, but she is behaving much differently from the way that, like, you know, our grandmother behaved. Because women. Because of feminism. We've seen that experiment in the last hundred or so years of what it looks like when women all of a sudden have, you know, no expectations of their behavior, because any expectations of their behavior would be patriarchy, civilization, whatever you want to call it. Whereas men, we've learned a little bit about what men will sort of how they will respond to being, like, completely domesticated, you know, having the state really just, like, impose itself upon them and feminize them and do stuff like that. And so anything we've learned in the last 60 or 70 years about, like, human behavior between the sexes, it's been far more illuminating about, like, what women will do when they don't have traditional society sort of imposed upon them the way that this country was built on.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, I mean, that's the poster's point. It's like a lot of this is like, the essence. Like, there was that video of a trans. It was like a male to female or whatever. Or. No, it was a female to male. And he had this beard that he grew with all these chemicals and everything. Or she grew up with, like, it was so confusing, all the chemicals and everything.

[Jack Posobiec]

I can never do it. I can never do it.

[Tate Brown]

I know it's tough, but she was having, like, a mental breakdown about, like, whatever. And I was like, it's still a woman. Like, it's still obviously a woman. Because it's like. Like John saying is this goes beyond. Just like, oh, read a biology textbook. It's like, no, how should women. How ought women conduct themselves? And to be in the fullness of a woman, there was like, they naturally gravitate towards that in some. In some ways.

[Jack Posobiec]

There was a line where it's a little bit morbid, but do you remember Aubrey Hale, who was the Nashville shooter? Well, she went and she. Because biological female. A lot of people get that one wrong. That was a she. And one of the rare times you actually do see a female conducting a mass shooting, which is rare. Certainly is. And hopefully we don't see more of those when she wrote this manifesto, but when she uploaded it online, it was a PDF and she left it. She left it password locked. And. And I remember a bunch of people saying, like. Like, well, you know, who wouldn't have made that mistake? A man.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, literally. Oh, like, you can look at, like, the suicide.

[John Doyle]

Success.

[Tate Brown]

Success. Oh, dude, no, like, women attempt it.

[John Doyle]

A lot and it never works because, yeah, women will be, like, going through something and. And that's awful. And they'll just have a moment where they're like, man. And then guys are much more rational, like, okay, I'm not getting out of this. Yeah, we got to commit to it.

[Tate Brown]

Literally. Yeah, that's so true. Unfortunately.

[Phil Labonte]

All right, we're gonna go to some questions from the Discord here today. Let's see. Going to bring up. Let's go find.

[John Doyle]

Yeah, I'll go back to the beginning one second here.

[Phil Labonte]

Let me just go back to where we started. I found the emoji you were talking about as well.

[John Doyle]

Okay, cool.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, just everyone knows.

[John Doyle]

Let them know why we're reading from Discord.

[Phil Labonte]

All right, so, yeah, just bring it down. Yeah, there it is somewhere here. All right, here we go. Let's see. So question for the panel. Panel from Crimson. Was it catnip? Crimson Catnip. Question for the panel. How can we as Americans celebrate Christmas with so many people on the left, and specifically Muslims calling for its abolished. Abolition. Abolition. You just do. You ignore them and you do. And then when they think about how much.

[Jack Posobiec]

Think about how much it angers you, just angers them to celebrate Christmas, right? You just think. You sit there and go, hey, hey, buddy. Hey, Merry Christmas. Christ is Lord. Christ was born on this day on December 25, 20, 25 years ago. And there's nothing you can do about it because God so loved the world, he sent his only son to the people who believe in him may have eternal life. Let's go, Christ.

[Tate Brown]

Protestants, what are you gonna do? Christ literally descended and shattered the timeline in half B.C. to A.D. yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's go.

[Tate Brown]

Unbelievable patriot.

[Phil Labonte]

So just. Just do.

[Jack Posobiec]

Total patriot.

[John Doyle]

Jesus Christ.

[Tate Brown]

Jesus is a patriot. He's awesome, Adrian. Love him.

[Phil Labonte]

All right, let's see. I don't know who this person is.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'll just like, there's always going to be negativity, right? There's going to be. There's always going to be negative things in the world. And, you know, even when I think about, like, Charlie and Erica and. And the family and. And horrific, you know, this is. And everything they're going through. You know, I still know that she's going to do everything she can to have a great Christmas with the kids because. And. And certainly. Right. That she hasn't lost her faith or anything. It's actually faith that helps us through this suffering. It's faith that helps us through as a as a crutch, as a cradle for you if you don't, like, I feel bad for people that don't have faith. You know what I mean, that don't have that. And that's, of course, why they go nuts when something like this happens. But, you know, know, you might think, like, well, how could you know, why would God let bad things happen? Right? And it's, and it's. It's one of those deals where you sit back, you say, no, no, this is all a test. This is all a testing ground. And, yeah, we don't know what's going to come up next. And, yeah, I'll just say that it's one of those things that makes you realize that, you know, we're not in control. We're so not in control. And if you don't just give yourself up to God and realize that, like, he's the boss and you're just like, like nothing, you know, but he still loves you anyway. And that's the, you know, the great, the greatest joy of it.

[Phil Labonte]

Mr. Somber, Joe says, what the. What does the panel think about the Maryland man being free due to our great justice system? He's. He's making a joke. But the Maryland man is Brio Gar. Was Garcia, from.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

I saw.

[Jack Posobiec]

What's the actual update date?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, he was. He was released.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Released by.

[Jack Posobiec]

Released by who?

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Obama judge.

[Jack Posobiec]

Obama judge. So, Ian Mar. At the federal level.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And he was released on what grounds?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know what the grounds were.

[Tate Brown]

It was the original injunction, which was that he could not be released or he could not be deported.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Liberia wasn't good enough.

[Phil Labonte]

Which is insane.

[Tate Brown]

Like, the initial. Initial injunction that was basically giving him a stay.

[John Doyle]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Which is. Which was incorrect because if I remember correctly, that. That the initial injunction was that he could not be deported to El Salvador.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so. And what the Trump administration came back and said they were going to do was we're going to deport him to another country then.

[Tate Brown]

And they're like, yeah, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And the injunction never said that. So, yeah, they're going to go to Liberia. And so, I mean, that, that sounds, I mean, as ridiculous this is, there's. There's two things. Right. Number one, obviously, I think that can and should be appealed. There's no question. And number two, it goes to show you that we don't live in a world that's, like, controlled by the CIA and controlled by, like, all this stuff. Like, like, are they out there? Are the nefarious actors out there? Sure. But ultimately, the Correct way to view the world is that there are liberal Marxists who actually believe everything Antifa says and they are in control of almost every single institution. We don't have to invent new conspiracies. We're already living through one.

[Phil Labonte]

If you, if you, if you want to reassure yourself of that, just, just think of. CIA is standing for clowns in action. Right? They are imperfect people. They make mistakes. They are not some kind of nefarious, you know, string pullers. If they were, then the Bay of Pigs would have worked.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I mean, look, I've. I've been to CIA's offices, made the new building. I've been to the old building. I've been to Langley. I've been to like every three letter agency in the government.

[John Doyle]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

There's no magical powers that they have. Like, these are mostly just office buildings. There's no. Now, do they do shady stuff? Are they involved in operations? Covert? Of course, yes. But the idea that there's some like, like magical shadow world that, like all that stuff you see on tv, the, you know, Jack Ryan. Oh, it's all, you know, the black ops going on and, and all those like, like it. I'm not for book banning, but if I was, it would be like Tom Clancy and Jack Carr.

[Tate Brown]

Literally.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's just, it's just literal airport brain rot. No, it is. It's airport brain rot.

[Tate Brown]

Right, right next to that Prince Harry book.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah. It's just like, it's like these guys, it's like, right, so they do the Prince Harry book for the women and they do Jack Carr for men. And to make you a moid. To make you a moid. And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got to, we got to invade Venezuela. Yeah. We got to invade Lebanon and Iran. We got to knock over the mullahs.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's like, it's like meanwhile, what's actually going on is that Abrego Garcia, who's a human trafficker, was just released. There's like black people just stabbing white people in high schools or on subways every single day. And all of this is going on, like, probably not far from your house. And if you actually just looked into what's really going, really happening in your area, you would be shocked. But the only tv. And this why I talk about mass media so much. Stranger Things, etc. Because this is where we get our view of the world from in our worldview. So if you're sitting there just consuming this airport brain rot, you're thinking, oh my gosh, we Got to worry about all these things. You're not actually paying attention to the very real things that can and will get you and your family killed if you don't pay attention to it.

[Phil Labonte]

And to your point, one of the, one of the things that the government continually shoves down people's throat or prior to the Trump administration, was the idea that the most dangerous people in the world, in America, and the most, the biggest threat to America was young white men. Men.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And that's something that you. We just, we just had a piece on it last night. I forget what the, what her name was, but she was a state senator talking about how she wants white kids to think about how bad it is to be white. And it's like, this is something that, that the government has been, you know, shoving down your throat. And you, you get it from mass media. There was a piece where, I think it was on the Tonight show or whatever, making jokes about how bad it is to be how bad white men are. And, and this is not. And totally, if it was any other race, obviously, and this has been said a million times, if it was any other race, obviously, everyone would be up in arms. You've got a whole generation of young kids that are, that have grown up hearing this stuff and they're rejecting it out of hand. And personally, I think it's good that they're rejecting it now. Where, what narrative they decide to internalize, I think is it that does matter. But you can't expect young guys to sit there and say, yeah, yeah, I'm the problem. You know, I feel, and I feel bad for it. That's just not going to happen.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, it's also, by the way, on the, on the spy agencies thing, like, how many times does James o' Keefe have to just like put on a pair of glasses and he fools all of these homosexuals that are running our spy agencies.

[Tate Brown]

KDR on Grindrs.

[Jack Posobiec]

And you know, I mean, he's just, he just hops on Grindr. And they're like, they're like, hi, I'm the, I'm like this whatever CIA agent, let's go on a date. You know, that's actually the new joke because remember, you remember the, the old thing used to be the, the pizza monitor of the Pentagon. You could see that if the pizza place were busy around 10pm they might think there's military activity. Well, now the new one is if the gay bars have low activity around, like Northern Virginia, that that means, like, there's an operation somewhere. Like, like, they're like wow. The gay bars are really quiet. And then suddenly it's like, boom. Massive bombing goes on. Like, oh my gosh. But like it's real because they'll sit there and they don't. It's James o' Keefe with a pair of glasses in and doing a little bit of a voice, you know, and he kind of does that like up talk, lispy kind of thing and suddenly they all fall for it. But like CIA officials, by the way, that's reality, dude. Not Jack Carr. Those are the people running the intelligence agencies.

[John Doyle]

1960S Batman level gadgets where it's my glasses. And then the CIA is like, like.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, who that is?

[Tate Brown]

You know, he's not gay.

[John Doyle]

He's with o' Keefe media, bro.

[Tate Brown]

Trust me, trust me, he's not gay.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, it's so funny you mentioned that about Batman because there's that there in the, in the 1960s Batman movie where he's. Where Catwoman just like takes on a Russian accent and it's obviously, obviously her, but he's like, oh, Ms. Kitka.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Which Batman was it? Where the joker goes into 2Face's hospital room with the mask on. He doesn't recognize him and he has the makeup on. He takes the mask off, he's like, yeah, right, right. Literally, o'. Keefe. No, it's like the Pentagon. I was like. Because I was.

[Jack Posobiec]

We were there. We were there.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I'm an airport American. So I went in and I was expecting it to be like this high tech labor was running around with clipboards. And I walk in, be like, so.

[Jack Posobiec]

Where'S the missile button?

[John Doyle]

I know.

[Tate Brown]

I was like, where's like the kill like everyone button? And it was like there wasn't one, unfortunately. And also they. It's like a mall. Like I just walked in, I was like standing in Starbucks line.

[John Doyle]

It's not like five. It's not like black ops zombies. Can you take me to the five room, please? Yeah, it was just a bunch of wages.

[Tate Brown]

I was like, what is this? It's just Pentagon shaped wage cage, brother.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm here to tell you that's every single intelligence agency like that. Every single.

[John Doyle]

That's the thing that's annoying too, is the people who are like the biggest like, dude, it's the CIA. The stuff they believe about the CIA is like that it put like crack into black neighborhoods or that we were toppling communist governments throughout the latter half of the 20th century. Just like Reddit mind slope.

[Phil Labonte]

That's, that's, that's the consoling Idea for communist. Communists, right? They say, well, you know, communism would have worked if it wasn't for the damn CIA.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's right.

[John Doyle]

That's exactly McCarthy vindicated, by the way.

[Tate Brown]

You'll see this, like, on Instagram.

[Jack Posobiec]

Even the Russians admitted it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, you'll see this on Instagram when it's like a black guy, like, huffing galaxy gas or like little black kids, like, singing a really explicit rap song. And then the comments will be like, CIA doing backflips right now. Oh, the CIA. And I'm like, the CIA. What is the CIA in 2025? Like, let's demonize the black community. Like, what is going on?

[Tim Cast News Producer]

They're calling that dude who hands out the machete and alcohol to these guys CIA agent guy.

[Tate Brown]

A patriot dude.

[Phil Labonte]

Like I said, clowns in action. So we're going to go, go to some more questions from the discord. Kevin Adell says, do you guys know about D and E abortions? It's just delivering a baby and killing it in the process. I never want to hear about a medically necessary abortion again. P S. Is that Connor Tomlinson without the glasses or hair gel?

[John Doyle]

No, you have been saying that, John Doyle, my, my brother across the pond.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah, but yeah, look, same look.

[Tate Brown]

It, it, it's you Irish Catholic.

[Phil Labonte]

I think most of the guys around the table here agree that. And I don't want to speak for anyone, but I, I get the sense that everybody kind of agrees that abortion is murder. And so as much as the D and E abortions are graphic and, and conceptually horrific, you know, abortions, abortion, it's, it's killing an unborn human being regardless of, of, of whether the, the baby is, is full term or not.

[Jack Posobiec]

So for, for a lot of people who, you know, maybe don't have the religious backing on this or, you know, just don't have various, you know, belief structures on abortion and, and, and will say, well, I don't really care. Whatever. Let me posit this. Do you know the very first country to legalize abortion? It was the Soviet Union.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right. It was literally the Soviet Union was the first country. And Tucker was talking recently about how it was the UK's embrace of abortion that made them just sort of hate themselves as a people. Because what you're doing is, is that you're devaluing your own life. It's, you're devaluing the life of your own people and devaluing the life of Americans in our sense, devaluing the life of fellow Russians in the Soviet Union. Sense. And this is something where, you know, I actually. So I was over and the Polish election was held earlier this year and this became a huge issue because. Because abortion is still a criminal act in Poland. It's like the only country in Europe where this is true. And gay marriage still not respected in Poland. And no migrants, by the way. Poland based and patriots. And so it made me think about it that, you know, this all stems from a place. Now, yes, Poland is also religious, but it also stems from a place where they've faced serious repression and serious like actual oppression from invading forces, actual communism. And so their response has been this, we need to protect our people. And these are the steps we're going to do to put that in action. And one of those, of course, is increasing the birth rate. Doing a lot of social policies in order to increase the birth rate. But I never really thought of abortion just outside of moral terms in the sense of what does it do to a country? And to see obvious person thinking where, well, you know, I don't have to have that kid if I don't want to. There are options. And then you pull that out at scale that it will lead to a lower birth rate. It simply does.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah. Well, in Britain, literally the latest NHS data is that one in three pregnancies ends in an abortion. So 33% of British fetuses are being aborted.

[Jack Posobiec]

Babies.

[Tate Brown]

Babies. Right, yeah, I know what you mean. The Mayans. The Mayans, everyone knows in the child sacrifice, very infamous, the Aztecs. There was an estimate with the Aztec Empire that they, the human sacrifice was 1 to 2% of the population and 1. So you can, you can extrapolate that about 2% of their children were sacrificed and whatnot. And the Spanish exterminated them off the face of the planet.

[Jack Posobiec]

So you're saying that sacrifice more children.

[Tate Brown]

Than the Mayans and Aztecs by exorbitantly higher. And it's so it's the Spanish completely exterminated like three different civilizations off the face of the planet. It. For far less than what's being conducted in the west at scale, at volume. Right now.

[Jack Posobiec]

Again, Catholic point for you guys.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's see, Luther was still can't, can't sleep easy. Says with all this Charlie thing and how the left reacted to it. Do you believe that could give the Somalians and Afghans the thought that violence is okay to stop the deportations? Yes, man.

[John Doyle]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

I think they already think.

[Jack Posobiec]

We already saw it.

[John Doyle]

We already saw it in dc, The Somalians, about violence.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah, that's kind of where I'm at, I think that the Afghans and the Somalians already would, Would imagine that violence is acceptable.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Trump was saying, like, they're not good at anything in Somalia except like pirates pirating.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Just look, they are pretty good. I'll give them that. Good at that.

[Phil Labonte]

Just look at the levels of violence in those countries compared to the United States.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, and I think that, that it's, it's. It goes without saying that that violence is something that those cultures are far more for. More comfortable with than, Than your average American.

[Tate Brown]

It's a PVP server over there. Yeah. It's crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I mean, and Trump was right when he said name anything functional out of that country. Anything at all whatsoever.

[Phil Labonte]

Nothing.

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[Tim Cast News Producer]

No.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so this, you know, to your point about certain, you know, certain people and certain, you know, have certain talents. Right. That's, that's. There you go.

[Tate Brown]

And their piracy is like, really dysgenic. Like, you know, you think about like European pirates and the golden age of America swag on. They had like a cool hat. Like, you know, they had like, made a code too. They had some. They just had aura. You look at the smile, they'll roll up with like sweatpants with like a gun that barely works. It's like, what are like a fishing sloppy.

[Phil Labonte]

Not haven't cleaned the AK and Yeah, they're wearing like, like your grandfather owned it.

[Tate Brown]

They're wearing like sweatpants and like, dress. It's like the most wild thing ever.

[Phil Labonte]

All right, let's see. We got SF C. Was it SF Campbell, actually, SF Campbell says POTUS national security strategy allegedly leaked. Proposes a core five alliance between the U.S. russia, China, India and Japan, identified as civilizational populist cultures. This is to choke out the European Union and downgrade global influence of the far leftist European countries. Let's talk about abol. The eu. It's not my business what the EU does. And I don't think that it's good for the United States to believe that we can align with China or Russia. But I do think that it is good to focus on the Western Hemisphere, really put some effort into the Monroe Doctrine and to do our best to root out Russian and Chinese influence in South America. But I don't know what you guys.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, I'll put it this way. I don't know that there was a call for an alliance between those five countries. That, that may be a little bit, A little bit maximalist, but I think the idea would be more, hey, what if we stop provoking These countries. Why? What if instead of having a policy of we want to provoke Russia into war and we want to provoke China into war, what if we rather say, okay, we are simply separate countries with separate interests, but perhaps, perhaps we have areas where our interests might align. What, like, for example, space exploration, which is something that the United States and Russia do on a regular basis and have continued to do so, by the way. Or Arctic exploration, which is. Which, again, energy. There's so many things that. And we're able to do so because at the end of the day, right, there's something neocons will never tell you. But you're not just going to, like, eliminate these countries from the face of the planet. Like, China will always be there. Russia will always be there. India will always be there. So you have to figure out a way to deal with it. It. And just be adults about it. Just be adults.

[Phil Labonte]

You're smirking. What do you got?

[Jack Posobiec]

Why are you smirking?

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[Tate Brown]

I said biggest black pill of the night. India will always be there. India was always be there. Oh, my God.

[Jack Posobiec]

Did you have something you wanted to add to the class?

[John Doyle]

I am a big fan of everyone here and I'm just soaking it all in. Happy to be here.

[Phil Labonte]

All right, Mrs. Caterfic says, and this is a long one, but it's good. How are we supposed to not feel demoralized by everything right now when critical thinking shows us Trump has decided to mesh with the swamp? I have three family members who were hardcore Trump voters the last three elections, and they've been disillusions not because of Candace, but because Trump himself has fumbled a once in a lifetime opportunity to normal people. We see him going after Thomas Massie while sucking up to Lindsey Graham. He went after mtg, but he's silent on rhinos. When has he ever gone after rhinos like this? This administration is gaslighting us just like the last one was, and people are sick of it. And despite influencers saying it doesn't matter, the handling of Epstein does matter. Because when you see that behavior, along with no Doge, no must, no spending cuts, it feels like we've been fooled. Long winded. But that's my question. Also, I'm one of the Discord members who met my husband on here. Married one and a half months ago. So. Thanks, staff.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, wow.

[Phil Labonte]

Congratulations. That's great.

[Jack Posobiec]

Congrats.

[Phil Labonte]

That's awesome. Look, I say this a lot. A lot of the things that people hope for Trump to do. The President himself doesn't have the ability to do or maintain because it's done through executive orders. Nobody likes to look at how the sausage is made in D.C. and it is disheartening. I understand and I agree, agree. But in my opinion, Donald Trump has done the best that he can with most of the issues. I do agree that the Epstein stuff has been a, has been a fumble and it was bad overall. But I do think that over that if you look at the grand scheme of things, Donald Trump has done far better than any president in the past 15, 20 years. And I know that John Doyle has some thoughts on this.

[John Doyle]

I respect your opinion so much and I'm so glad you have it. And you know, I understand what you're saying. But like at a certain point, point I saw this yesterday or something like the first term for president, whether it's like Trump, you know, in 17, Obama, Bush, the amount of bills they pass in their first term was like, in the excess. It was like 80, 90, 100 or something. Trump now, like Trump 2.0 in his first year, has passed five bills. Do we not have like majority in chambers of Congress? So what's going on? And you know, going after like MTG rather than someone like Lindsey Graham. I'm not the biggest Lindsey Graham fan. You're not going to see me like, you know, casting this guy as like the ideal Republican or something, something. But because he's been around longer in the swamp, he knows how the game is played. And Trump is somebody who likes it when people are loyal to him and likes it when they don't cause problems for him, which is, I guess a really weird, like temperamental characteristic of his. And someone like MTG has gone out of her way to like, cause problems for Trump and for his administration. Even like Thomas Massie, Like I have to hear all the time about how Thomas Massie is this based America first patriot. This is a guy who co sponsored bill to increase the amount of immigrants who are coming in here on visas. This is a guy who voted against Trump's wall and he says it's because he's a fiscal conservative. So it's like on paper, this guy has allied himself when it mattered most. With Democrats, it can be for whatever little principle he wants it to be. But do you think Democrats care about that? It's like, hey, do we want this guy to impede Trump's agenda? Well, is he doing it because he agrees with us or because he's got his own little reason? Like, do you think they actually care about that? Or even the BBB actually providing spending to enact the funding to enact the agenda that is going to outline Trump's second administration, we needed Republicans on board. Where was Thomas Massie, who was against it? Because we shouldn't be spending more money? Let me let you in on a little secret. If we don't, like, win, the money's not going to matter, the currency's not going to matter. We're going to lose. Well, it's racking up more debt. We are going to have to solve that at a later time, unfortunately, because we basically need to just like, take money and use it to fund our agenda to prevent communists from being in power again. If we fail at this, that debt, I mean, all you're going to get all of that anyway. So I understand what you're saying. Like, is the second Trump administration exactly what I want it to be? No. Am I frustrated that Trump is like, fighting off young staffers every day who are rushing in, trying to push the fix everything button and he's like gatekeeping it, like, yeah, I wish he wouldn't do that. However, this is politics. You know, you were talking about the Leviathan that is the global left and we have Donald Trump in the White House. That's it. We are trying to right a ship. We're cold starting something that has never been meant to function as a representation of the will of the American people. And actually, when it is functioning, it's working directly against those interests. So frankly, 1112 months in, this is beyond. I'm probably. Well, no, I mean, Jack's here. I am one of the biggest Trump shills working today. And even I am frankly, like, far more optimistic about what we've seen just in year one than I would have realistically expected, like, prior to that, you know, so I understand what you're saying, but at the same time, you know, we have to understand. You saw that clip that was going around the other day. It was a hot mic where Trump is like, I can't get my confirmation. Well, like, what's going on? You have to understand, there are all of these swamp creatures who are like, I'm just gonna bide my time, dude. Because I saw what they did to you. I saw what they did to Charlie Kirk. I saw what they did to your allies, indicting them, your supporters, putting them in prison. I rather like my, you know, four star hotels, my black car service, my millions of dollars a year for book deals, speeches where I get to go around and say, we need to do the right thing. And all these beautiful hearted people, right, are saying, so true, so true. Okay, well, they're saying the right thing, and there's doing the right thing. And the only reason that anything good has been done in the last 10 years is because of Donald Trump. Unfortunately, that just happens to be the case. For better or worse, that could be why they. I don't know, mugshotted him. That could be why they tried to assassinate him.

[Tate Brown]

Him.

[John Doyle]

And so it's very easy to tell ourselves that now that he's back and he's trying to write this ship, that he finally betrayed us. It's like, dude, he could have betrayed us at any point.

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[John Doyle]

There weren't deals for this guy where it's like, hey, just drop out, and we'll, like, let your cultural status remain. You can keep your money. We won't go after you. We won't go after your family. Just like, stop. That was always on the table for this guy up until the arrest, up until the assassination attempt, and he never quit. So insofar as we have, like, 10 years of his behavior in that direction, the idea that what we're seeing now being, like, underdeveloped fruits would be because of some betrayal or that he's meshing with the swamp, like you say, at a certain point, you have to decide, has this guy earned your loyalty? Has this guy earned your trust? No politician has. Okay, dude. Like, at a certain point, I made a personal decision to, like, pledge loyalty to this guy as someone who I think actually does have my best interests at heart. Not because he's a politician, but because he, like, took a bullet for me. Because the guy who died for our country believed that about Trump and believed that about Vance, Charlie, Karl, Kirk. So at a certain point, like, you. You just have to make that. That decision, whether or not you want to throw your weight behind this guy or you just want to be like, you know, no, he's a part of it. I'm gonna wait. For what?

[Tate Brown]

Who.

[John Doyle]

Who's the other game in town? We have nothing.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, it's all these people are like, yeah, ankle biting and everything. And same thing. Like, I'm like, Trump, shill, et cetera, et cetera. That's what people say. And I agree. It's a good assessment.

[John Doyle]

I don't shill him to shill him. I shill him because he's good.

[Tate Brown]

Because he's good. It's like, if you. But if you told me on January. January 20th, we'd be at net negative migration by the end of the year, I'd be like, I mean, that'd be nice.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Like, this Is this is policy. And like five years ago, if you advocated for net negative migration on a conservative panel, you've gotten tossed off. Now it's policy of the United States. Just read through the nss. Unbelievable stuff. I mean, it's a, it's a complete reorientation of the State Department in a year. I mean, look, there's, there's criticism, et cetera, et cetera, but it's like, look at the bigger picture. We're not just advancing the ball down the field at one, we're breaking 10 yard, 20 yard runs.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that, that, that's really one of the things that people get hung up on. You bring up the nss, the, the policy side of it. Right. That's the thing that people have a difficult time kind of digesting. They want to see immediate results. They want to see. They, they assume that President Trump is a, is an, is the emperor, the, you know, the God emperor, Donald Trump. And whereas there are some people that, that would love to see that. That's just not realistic when you, when you think about the way that D.C. works and how our system is set up. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

I would just add to, to all of this that specifically when you mentioned Massie, that Trump is a counterpuncher. So if you, if you come at him, he's going to come back. That's the one thing that we've known about him since even before he was in politics. And Thomas Massie has been going around saying that Trump is a pedophile who's part of Epstein's pedophile ring and just doing this over and over and over. So I remember that this happened with Ron DeSantis when people, when he first started running and people were like, why is Trump attacking A. Santis? Why is he doing this? Like, yeah, well, he's running against him. So to run against the man who put you in office, to run against the man who built your political career, took you from a congressional backbencher and made you governor of Florida, is again, it's just a huge betrayal. It's a matter. We were talking about heel turns earlier. Right? Right. Massive heel turn. So why would you not expect him to respond once you've done something like this? But I noticed something that's interesting from a lot of people who say this is. They never once look at the behavior of the, like, the initial person. Right. The actual person who initiated. They only look at the response from Trump's like, I can't believe he's saying that. I can't believe he's saying that. But if you just put it in context, then, okay, like, maybe you realize he's responding to something that possibly didn't have to happen, but did. And so. So he's responding in kind.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, it's like, yeah. Because Trump was an ardent supporter of mtg. What he just changed his mind one day is that it's like, no, go analyze your behavior and you'll see very clearly why he's disgruntled.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

And a lot of people don't remember the first admin. I mean, the first admin, we couldn't even get funding for the wall. We were getting funding for goat farming in Nepal. I mean, what the hell, you know? And that's why even now, when people criticize him now, it's like, dude, this administration is 20 times better than, than. Than it was back in the first term. The first term, we couldn't get anything done except for corporate taxes. Now we're giving the. We're giving DHS a freaking military budget to get out there and deport people and try to achieve that MAGA agenda. So, you know when people try to ankle by and say, oh, he's nothing. He hasn't done anything. It's like, no, he's done a lot of things. He stopped the mass migration that was happening under Biden where you were getting, what, 5 million illegals in a year? Year. Now it's at net zero and we're deporting people. And it's like, yes, we've, we've stopped the bleeding and we have a lot more to do. But it's only been what we're coming up at one year. We still have three more years to get things done.

[Tate Brown]

So in January. Yeah, in January, all the hiring kicks in.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. So all that, all the, the goat.

[Jack Posobiec]

Farming in Nepal, just quick, quick note. I don't think we're actually fun, like, doing that just to fund goat farming Nepal. Like all those little, like, random things. No, that's money laundering. Okay. That's money laundering ring. And that's just the name on top.

[John Doyle]

You know what I mean?

[Tate Brown]

You know, Trump, when he like, we invaded Iraq and he was like, all this, it's like, where's the oil? It's probably the same thing as like, where's the goats? Like, yeah, where are the goats? That would be.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. And, and you look at the USAID stuff and it's okay. This is very obviously just money laundering.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

All right, so we got one more quick one that I'm just going to read off. I don't think that there's a whole lot to say about it, but what is it? Valkyris From. From. From. He's a Dane. He says so Trump promised you'd take Greenland off our hands. Do you guys still think that's on the table? Are we going to continue to have to waste res?

[Tate Brown]

Should.

[Jack Posobiec]

Certainly should. We certainly should.

[Phil Labonte]

Greenland in spirit. Greenland is already ours. We have a base there. You know, it's in the northern. It's in the northern North America. It's on our. Our. In our hemisphere. It's on North America. So in spirit, it's America.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

You should have never given it back.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I would even say it was ours by right of conquest in World War II, because which country deployed their military there to defend Greenland? Oh, was it. Was it any of your Europe? Was the British. No, it was the United States of America. To your point. We. We're stupid for putting our military there and not declaring sovereignty over it.

[Phil Labonte]

So, yeah, according to. When it comes to Greenland, the EU is already btfo and literally we already.

[Jack Posobiec]

Have military control of it.

[Phil Labonte]

So, yeah. So listen, share the show with your friends. Smash the like button. We're gonna. And also join our discord. We're gonna wrap it here. John Doyle, you got anything you want to go ahead and shout out?

[John Doyle]

Yeah, I do a show called the John Doyle show, which you should go listen to, and it's on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, all that stuff where we talk about politics and all sorts of interesting stuff.

[Jack Posobiec]

So. Patriot Charlie Kirk wrote one book before he died. It was called Stop in the Name of God. I have a copy of it right here. Erica Kirk wrote the foreword after Charlie's murder. And this book is not about politics. This book is about the importance of taking a day. Get off your phone. Reset. He talks about health, talks about spirituality. You connect with your family, connect with yourself, connect with God. It's a great thing. Charlie did this throughout his life. He took one day off per week. We're called to do this, by the way. God did this. God. On the seventh day, God rested and Charlie really believed that. And he talks about, by the way, how he, you know, he went from this guy who would never sleep and pull all nighters. And, you know, I'm just gonna say it, man. There's some images that you could see of Charlie when he was a little bit getting a little unhealthy there where he was, you know, the seed oils were winning and. And then he switches. And this book kind of talks about how he regained control of that by reformatting his thinking to understanding that if you take that rest isn't a sign of weakness. It's not like, oh, I'm being lazy. It's actually understanding how your body works, how your soul works, how your life works, and it's investing in yourself so that you can do more. So the book is called called Stop in the name of God and you can should go check it out.

[Tate Brown]

There we go. Yeah, you can follow me on X and Instagram @realtate Brown Culture Channel. This weekend, across the pond with Connor Tomlinson. Go check it out. Tomorrow we covered the Tyler Robinson situation, kind of what creates these Tyler Robinson types. So we break that down and then on Sunday we got Orin McIntyre. Great interview. We discuss why the GOP are so go check that out and you can.

[Tim Cast News Producer]

Follow Tim cast news. Me and the team are working hard to keep you guys up to date with all the latest happenings and what's happening here at the studio.

[Phil Labonte]

So, all right, check out clips all weekend and we will see you guys on Monday for irl live from Vegas. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Just want to say peace out, guys.

[Phil Labonte]

It's been real.

[Jack Posobiec]

We'll see you guys soon.

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