RIOTS Leftist ATTACK ICE, Tear Gas Deployed, Feds Ordered To IGNORE CA Law, CIVIL WAR! w/ Christian Maxwell

Summary

Timcast IRL: RIOTS Leftist ATTACK ICE, Tear Gas Deployed, Feds Ordered To IGNORE CA Law, CIVIL WAR! w/ Christian Maxwell

Date: September 27, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Christian Maxwell (IL Republican Congressional Candidate), Phil Labonte (musician, political commentator), Ian Crossland (co-host)

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Episode Overview

This explosive episode centers on rising political violence across the U.S.—particularly recent leftist-led riots at ICE facilities, clashes over state vs. federal law regarding masked agents, ongoing urban decay in cities like Chicago, and broader civil order concerns. Tim and the crew, joined by Illinois Republican candidate Christian Maxwell, grapple with the erosion of legal and social norms, deep partisan divides, the Great Replacement debate, and the struggle for political renewal in cities dominated by Democrats. The show uniquely blends on-the-ground reporting, policy critique, personal stories from Chicago, and philosophical reflection on America’s future.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. ICE Facility Riots and Escalating Violence

• Background:

  • Violent leftist protests and riots have erupted outside ICE facilities, especially in Chicago’s suburbs.
  • Protesters have obstructed ICE vehicles, chanted "shoot ICE," and some have reportedly brought firearms.
  • Federal government has responded with tear gas and pepper spray, but the panel agrees there’s a lack of decisive law enforcement response.

• Critical Moments:

  • [06:29] Clip played of protesters chanting:
    “Shoot ICE, yeah.” – Christian Maxwell, discussing the severity of rhetoric.
  • [07:24] Law enforcement had to confiscate a firearm from a protester and recent attacks have led to detainee death and injuries.

• Analysis & Reactions:

  • Maxwell: "These people should be locked up. They are obstructing these officials and during their work... ICE agents, law enforcement officials, they deserve to go home and to be safe. They are law abiding citizens." [09:19]
  • Phil Labonte: "Anyone out there... the local law enforcement should come and they should wrap them all up and they should all get charged." [09:57]
  • Tim & Phil emphasize leniency and hands-off policing has enabled escalation from protest to lethal violence.

2. Political Rhetoric & State Leadership Fueling Unrest

• Citing speeches by officials like IL Gov. Pritzker, panelists argue that state leadership is stoking violence by using language like “Republicans cannot know a moment of peace.”

  • [11:18] Maxwell: “When Pritzker told, did that speech and said conservatives should know no peace, he laid the groundwork for what happened.”
  • [14:05] Tim explains the "Four Boxes of Liberty" rhetoric (soapbox, ballot box, jury box, cartridge box):
    “They have marched in the streets. They have voted. They lost the speech issue... Now what are we seeing? They are not prosecuting the criminals. They're letting them go.”

• Broad bipartisan agreement on the need to tone down incendiary rhetoric across the aisle to prevent further violence, but skepticism that Democratic leaders are genuinely interested in de-escalation.

3. Chicago’s Urban Breakdown and Political Scene

• Maxwell, running as a “loud and proud Republican” in Chicago, details Chicago’s one-party dysfunction, surge in violent crime, unsafe gig work conditions, and the fallout from immigration policies.

  • [25:58] City redirected millions to migrant shelters, sparking backlash among long-standing (especially Black) residents.
  • [27:34] Tim and Christian recount stories of food delivery gig fraud, security concerns, and how undocumented labor now permeates local economies.

• Election/Voting Insights:

  • Low turnout, deep identity voting patterns (voting strictly along racial or ethnic lines).
  • Chicago’s political machine relies on outside money, low turnout, and entrenched incumbency.

4. Immigration Debate: Rule of Law vs. Compassion

• The group debates whether long-resident but illegal immigrants should receive amnesty. Arguments include:
  • Phil Labonte: Hardline—in any situation, illegal immigrants must go:
    “If you are here illegally, you have to go back. Bye. That's it. The reason is because it deters people from coming here in future.” [53:00]
  • Christian Maxwell: Amnesty undermines legal immigrants; open borders hurt public safety, public health (measles outbreaks), and dilute Black political power in cities.
• Analogies used: squatters’ rights vs. property owner rights, undocumented “withdrawals” from banks compared to illegal border crossings.

5. State vs. Federal Law: Mask Ban for Law Enforcement

• New CA law bans police from wearing face coverings; Trump admin directs agents to ignore the law, citing federal supremacy.
  • [34:03] Phil Labonte: “He [Newsom] won’t actually try to arrest any federal agents... He wants to look tough... he wants to run for president.”
  • Maxwell warns: “The temperature is up so high... They want to see action now.” [35:39]

6. Replacement, Urban Displacement, Chicago’s Future

• Maxwell and Tim argue the Democratic party has failed Black Chicagoans, now favoring new immigrant arrivals.
  • Barack Obama’s Presidential Center causes gentrification, rising property taxes on historic Black neighborhoods.
• Realignment underway as crime and resource competition erode Democratic loyalty.

7. American Political Philosophy, Fascism & Communism Discussion

• Spirited debate about the modern meanings and applications of "fascism" and "communism" in the U.S. context.
  • [65:04] Phil: “In a fascist government, they demand companies do what the government wants... That’s not the same as companies having the freedom to do other things.”
  • Tim: Modern American authoritarianism doesn’t fit old models and lacks clear academic labeling.

8. Degradation of Law, Order, & Social Trust

• [36:39] "People don’t realize, man, five years, it’s not that long. You’re gonna see more and more people being told it is ok to do this [violence]." – Tim Pool.
• Concerns about normalizing bad behavior; demand for a return to "common sense" policing; risk/fear associated with leftists eventually entering criminal justice system (e.g., “going to County” in Chicago).

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• [09:19] “These people should be locked up... ICE agents, law enforcement officials, they deserve to go home and to be safe. They are law abiding citizens.” – Christian Maxwell
• [14:05] “They have marched... They have lost the voting issue. Now what are we seeing? They are not prosecuting the criminals. They're letting them go.” – Tim Pool
• [49:09] “If someone came here illegally, it is not in any way a moral violation to say... I couldn’t help but notice you’ve been in my house for a long time. I’m gonna give you a ride home...” – Tim Pool
• [53:00] “If you are here illegally, you have to go back. Bye. That’s it. The reason is because it deters people from coming here in future.” – Phil Labonte
• [76:19] “Americans are being replaced because the interests of Black Americans are the same as the interests of White Americans, and they’re being replaced by immigrants.” – Tim Pool
• [80:46] “Illinois is in dire need of true politicians who will actually do the work of writing relevant legislation.” – Christian Maxwell
• [104:15] “We both… grew up in Chicago… rather liberal. Now here we are as adults being like, Chicago needs to get away from the Democratic Party.” – Tim Pool

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Key Timestamps and Segments

• [01:40] Start of Main Content — ICE Riots in Chicago
• [04:46] Christian Maxwell introduces herself and campaign
• [06:29] Audio of protester shouting “Shoot ICE!”
• [09:19] Debate on how to police violent leftist protests
• [14:05] “Four boxes of liberty” discourse and escalation risk
• [25:34] Inside story: Chicago’s failed migrant housing policy
• [32:41] National Guard & feds vs. cities: Should Trump intervene?
• [34:03] CA Mask Law—Trump admin says “ignore it.”
• [49:09] Moral/analogical debate: Immigration vs. theft, squatters, tax cheats
• [53:00] Phil’s hardline position—zero tolerance for long-term illegal immigrants
• [76:19] Replacement theory—coalition shifts against Dem Party
• [80:46] Money, charisma, and the real challenge of anti-establishment campaigns
• [104:15] Urban liberal-to-conservative switch: Why cities are waking up

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Memorable, Light-Hearted, or Notable Asides

• [27:33] Tim’s DoorDash “strange men on women’s accounts” story on gig economy chaos.
• [41:48] Discussion of Black representation: “She’s a really bad influence for black women in general... It’s been normalized for black women to feel like, oh, let me go and get really educated, but not evolve.” – Christian Maxwell on Ketanji Brown Jackson.
• [98:33] On white liberals talking down to/minimizing Black voters:
  “They’re having dialogue about black people, and they’re coming up with what they think black people do. That’s not us.” – Christian Maxwell

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Takeaways for New Listeners

• The episode offers a colorful, unapologetic look at the current American political crisis—where the rule of law is increasingly strained, urban America is crumbling, and traditional political alliances are realigning under the pressure of mass migration and state dysfunction.
• Maxwell provides rare insight into the mindset of conservative candidates battling Democratic strongholds, especially among Black voters.
• The show’s tone is urgent, combative, but laced with humor, candid anecdotes, and a spirit of ideological challenge—arguing for a renewal of community, law, and American ideals.

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Further Information

• Christian Maxwell’s Campaign: christianmaxwellforcongress.com
• Tim Pool: Follow on X/Twitter & Instagram @TimCast

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This summary is intended for listeners who want a detailed map of the episode’s content, with key quotes, context, and timestamps for deep dives. All advertising, intro, and outro content has been omitted for clarity and focus.

Transcript

[Christian Maxwell]

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[Christian Maxwell]

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[Tim Pool]

Riots outside an ICE facility in the suburbs of Chicago. Rioters scream that people should shoot ice. ICE responds with tear gas, pepper spray. Vehicles are swarmed. It's not the most egregious thing we've seen, but following the several the terror attacks we've seen against the ICE facilities, it is pretty shocking that the federal government is allowing this degree of violence to escalate. So we'll go through everything that we're seeing there. We then got a couple of really crazy stories. Apparently there's a superintendent in Iowa who is an illegal immigrant who has been arrested. He was working the school system there, which is very shocking and confusing. And oh boy, it gets crazier. Donald Trump is discussing whether or not they should begin to drone strike inside Venezuela. So the external, let's just say complications of war are pretty alarming alongside what we're seeing now. Internally, the federal government has ordered agents not to remove their masks, not to abide by California law, which is setting up a federal and state clash. Many people have suggested Gavin Newsom will just back down. But all of this has asking questions about where we currently are at as a country. Russia is threatening to go to war with us, saying they are that NATO already declared war on them and not to shoot down their planes which have violated NATO airspace Including ours. Reportedly, Trump talking about bombing Venezuela with drones. All I can say is, holy crap. Now we're gonna talk about all that. But before we do, got a great sponsor tonight. It is Beam Dream. My friends, I love Beam Dream. I drink it every single night. Go to shop b e a m.com and you'll get to 35% off. Beam Dream has. There's a bunch of different drinks, but I like the cinnamon cocoa, hot cocoa. You drink it right before bed. I do every single night. I've been drinking the brownie batter one because I ran out of the cocoa one. It's got L theanine, it's got magnesium, it's got melatonin. It is amazing. I literally do drink it every night. My sleep score has been 95, 96, 100. I use this sleep eight sleep tracker thing. Absolutely incredible. And I absolutely recommend it. 15 calories, you no added sugar. Go to shop beam.com Tim Pool. Check it out. Shout out to Beam for sponsoring the show. And don't forget to go to timcast.com click. Join us and get in that discord. Community. Community. As everything seems to be breaking apart and we, we look. I honestly don't know what's going to happen in this country. Community is the most important thing. Having networks, having connections, people who can help you out, people you can help out. Building a culture is the most important thing we can do. And as a member, you're helping sustain the work that we do. So go to timcast.com click. Join us.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, look on the right. There's that beautiful man two times. Look at that in the upper left and the upper right.

[Tim Pool]

I'm so good looking. Oh yeah. Why is there two Ian's?

[Ian Crossland]

I'm the hottest man on earth.

[Tim Pool]

Tim. That is a weird thing.

[Ian Crossland]

That is bizarre.

[Tim Pool]

Phil's shrugging at it. Ian is on the website twice.

[Ian Crossland]

I told you I was gonna win.

[Tim Pool]

Must be a coding error.

[Christian Maxwell]

Must be coding. One is AI.

[Tim Pool]

Anyway, yeah, smash the like button. My friends. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Christian Maxwell.

[Christian Maxwell]

Hi, pleasure to be here with you guys. This is going to be great.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. Who are you? What do you do?

[Christian Maxwell]

So I'm actually. My name is Christian Maxwell. I'm running for Congress in Illinois. I'm running as a Republican, which is what people do not do. They usually tell you to sneak in as an independent and just then do all the Republican things. But I definitely decided to run as a loud and proud Republican because it's how I. How I live.

[Tim Pool]

How's the reaction, though? Chicago has been ruled by Democrats for 100 years.

[Christian Maxwell]

It has. But if you look at Illinois and how I voted during that last election, it's a red state. It is a red state with a big blue dot. So I think that right now Illinois is at a precipice where they understand that they cannot go. They can't go another four years, another two years with all these blue representatives who truly don't care about the future of the state. So it's. It's really time for a change to happen.

[Tim Pool]

It is. It is pretty funny, actually. This happens periodically where we'll book a guest and it will be weird news timing because the riots from ICE are happening just outside of Chicago, literally. And there's a big conversation about what the federal law enforcement should be doing. National Guard. So this is perfect. We'll talk about this. Thanks for hanging out. We got Ian hanging out, everybody.

[Ian Crossland]

Good to be here. Ian Crossland in the house. Let's just get to it.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, Phil.

[Ian Crossland]

I was going to describe myself. There's too many words.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, you just. It's too hard to encapsulate in just one sentence.

[Tim Pool]

Hello, everybody.

[Phil Labonte]

My name is Phil labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Urmands. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the story from Axios Chicago Broadview ICE protests grow despite fence and gas. And apparently it is ongoing. Now, the crazy thing about this is that we've got these videos. The first thing I want to. I want to play for you and, you know, earmuffs for the kids. This is. This may be a bit vulgar, but I think the context is important. It's from Blaze Media. This is in the early stages of the protest. Listen to this.

[Christian Maxwell]

Shoot. Ice. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I think you heard that already. Now that's important context. When you begin to look at where we're going from there with this video from BG on the scene. So for those that are just listening, you have a crowd of people blocking and obstructing an ICE vehicle. Savannah Hernandez tweets is a serious failure on behalf of the Trump administration. And the fact that ICE vehicles are still being mobbed and nothing is being done about it is, quite frankly, embarrassing. ICE agents were just shot at and almost killed. And the admin continues to allow this. We have this video from Nick Sorter. This is a Fox News report. Just a second.

[Ian Crossland]

But we want to go back to.

[Tim Pool]

The protest at the Broadview ICE facility in Illinois that Mike Tobin was reporting on all morning. You've got some breaking news on that.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah, we have about 200 protesters there on the ground. We actually had our law enforcement just confiscate a firearm from one of these. Protesters are really rioters are what they are, as they're obstructing law enforcement vehicles from being able to enter that facility. And, John, this is just two days after we saw that vicious, disgusting attack on our law enforcement facility down in Dallas where one detainee was killed and two are currently in serious condition. And that psychopath open fire indiscriminately on our ICE law enforcement, on the facility, and on the van. And the fact that there is now a firearm or there was a firearm there in Chicago is very alarming.

[Tim Pool]

I think people need to understand as well, the vehicles in the ICE terror attack were not buses. They were white vans. It's my understanding. And so the individual who fired on them did not know. It seems that they were detainee transport, and it seems that they were just shooting on ICE vehicles, thinking they were targeting law enforcement, ended up hitting these detainees.

[Christian Maxwell]

Mm.

[Tim Pool]

We're at a rock and a hard place. Can we really say that this is a protest? We. We. We are. We are well past the point where we can tolerate people wearing masks, bringing weapons, and physically attacking law enforcement vehicles when we are dealing with this degree of terrorism. So perhaps five, 10 years ago, we could tolerate that. This is not free speech. It's a riot. But do we want to escalate by arresting? And the cops often would say, let's just pushed through it. But now that it's gotten to the level where we've had, I think, three terror attacks on ICE facilities in three months, this is no longer a matter of free speech. Technically, 10 years ago, this is still illegal. You want to protest, you want to hold signs outside the facility, that's free speech. When you start physically attacking their vehicles to any degree after these terror attacks happen, I got to say, to Sav's point, why isn't Trump Admin just saying, lock them up?

[Christian Maxwell]

I agree. I heartily think these people should be locked up. They are obstructing these officials and during their work. And when you're tampering with people who are doing. Carrying out missions like this, like you really are getting involved in something that's very dangerous, they're trying to. Trying to arrest somebody in general is a really precarious situation. Having someone hurling insults and getting very close to you with phones, trying to divulge your identity is not what those men signed up for. ICE agents, law enforcement officials, they deserve to go home and to be safe. They are law abiding citizens. Why are we not on the side of our law abiding citizens who are doing their job, trying to protect our country? I don't understand.

[Phil Labonte]

So to your point, Tim, like the, the fact that this has been going on for a decade or more is actually why we've gotten to the point where there are, there are actual murders, you know, happening at ICE facilities. These types of behaviors need to be shut down as soon as they happen. So that way people like the people that are amassed outside of this particular facility don't think that they can get away with saying things like arrest ice, shoot ice, et cetera. They should all get arrested, like anyone out there. They should go and get. The local law enforcement should come and they should wrap them all up and they should all get charged. I don't know what the charges exactly would be, but they should all get, you know, inhibiting the, the lawful execution of law enforcement.

[Christian Maxwell]

I mean, you're touching them for a solid a law.

[Phil Labonte]

Every single law that they've broken and it's all on video because they've got cameras. Every law they've broken, they should be prosecuted for.

[Christian Maxwell]

I agree.

[Phil Labonte]

And this should, this should be. That should happen at every ICE facility everywhere across the country.

[Christian Maxwell]

Should be not. It should be such a notice put out that people are like, you know what? It's not worth the risk. And they're meeting. They meet before they do this. They don't just pop up. They had a strategy meeting and they decided that this was worth the risk. You know why they said it was worth the risk? Because Pritzker told them.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Christian Maxwell]

And Brandon Johnson told them, we are going to push back. They are literally when Pritzker told, did that speech and said conservatives should know no peace, he laid the groundwork for what happened. Oh my. Oh God. Pull up the speech. He literally said they should. He said.

[Tim Pool]

Pritzker said that.

[Christian Maxwell]

He said. He said they should know no peace. He said it in a speech. I think he was. He was on the east coast when he said it and it enraged Illinoisans because it was basically like a, like a, kind of like a war mad.

[Tim Pool]

Because April, the Republicans cannot know a moment of peace.

[Christian Maxwell]

That was. That laid the groundwork for what we saw happen to Charlie Kirk. He's. He went on a tour telling people to wage war against conservatives and Republicans.

[Phil Labonte]

I've been saying this for the past couple of days. If There are any politicians out there, whether they be state level or they be federal level, if you truly believe that this is, that the, that it is time for the temperature to come down in the United States, what you need to do.

[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

From Mount Hood to the bin under.

[Tim Pool]

Your desk, together we can do this.

[Phil Labonte]

Is get out in front of a camera somewhere and say, we need people to allow ICE to do their job.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

That is a simple, basic, easy to do, low bar, real easy kind of thing to ask for. And it's every single person that's an elected official should say, we want law enforcement to be able to safely do their job. And if you can't do that, then you don't actually want. You don't want de escalation. You want more escalation. You want more violence.

[Tim Pool]

Mobilization for disruption. But I am now. Never before in my life have I called for mass protests for mobilization for disruption. But I am now.

[Christian Maxwell]

It was evil.

[Tim Pool]

Whoops. Just real quick for dis. I'm wondering why, like, not a single Republican has had anything like that ever.

[Phil Labonte]

Never.

[Tim Pool]

Corruption.

[Christian Maxwell]

No, we don't. Wait.

[Tim Pool]

But I am now.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, I was into mass non compliance during the COVID mandates. Yeah, I said I would.

[Tim Pool]

I would.

[Phil Labonte]

These Republicans cannot know a moment of peace.

[Tim Pool]

They have to understand that we will.

[Phil Labonte]

Fight their cruelty with every megaphone and microphone that we have.

[Tim Pool]

We must castigate them on the soapbox and then punish them at the ballot box. He's forgetting one part of that quote. When he said the soapbox and the ballot box. There's a. There's an implied statement because the rest of that poem is or phrase or whatever want to call it. Do you know what it is, Ian?

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

I've heard it before though.

[Tim Pool]

It's castigate them at the soapbox. You beat them at the ballot box or you load the cartridge box. Oh, right.

[Christian Maxwell]

But he even goes on to say, basically, risk life and limb. Like, this speech was really toxic. It was really bad.

[Tim Pool]

So tonight I'm telling you what I'm willing to do, and that's fight for our democracy, for our liberty, for the opportunity for all of our people. To live lives that are meaningful and free. And I see around me tonight a.

[Phil Labonte]

Room full of people who are ready.

[Tim Pool]

To do the same.

[Phil Labonte]

So I have one question for all.

[Tim Pool]

Of you Granite Staters.

[Phil Labonte]

Are you ready for the fight? So the in the right place.

[Tim Pool]

Four boxes of liberty, it's called.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it's the soapbox, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.

[Christian Maxwell]

Wow.

[Phil Labonte]

There's a.

[Christian Maxwell]

That's what they're. They're calling for his. For him to be impeached right now in whatever it's called Illinois.

[Tim Pool]

Will he go to prison like the rest of the governors?

[Christian Maxwell]

He needs to. I mean, it's like a rite of passage in Illinois. If you serve in office, you up going to prison for.

[Phil Labonte]

You're not really a governor if you don't go to prison.

[Tim Pool]

Are you really a hometown local born and bred, if you don't go to prison?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, you at least have to be indicted, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Christian Maxwell]

No. Yeah. He needs to. He laid the groundwork for a lot of the. This. This violence. He gave people permission to be as violent, to lean into their violent delights. And he made it where it went. From us, from people debating to now. They're like, you know what? I don't care if I get hit by a car. I don't care if I have to.

[Phil Labonte]

Know that all of the proper responses to that kind of rhetoric are TOS violations.

[Tim Pool]

This is actually crazy. Let me read. I think many people are familiar with the four boxes of liberty. Wikipedia says the soapbox represents exercising one. One's right to freedom of speech to influence politics, defend liberty. The ballot box represents exercising one's right to vote to elect a government to defend liberty. The jury box represents jury nullification. To refuse to convict someone being prosecuted for breaking an unjust law that decreases liberty. In the cartridge box represents exercising one's right to keep and bear arms, to oppose in armed conflict a tyrannical government. The four boxes represent increasingly forceful methods of political action. We've already seen all of them. They have. They have marched to the streets. They have voted. They lost the speech issue to the culture. They have lost the voting issue. Now what are we seeing? They are not prosecuting the criminals. They're letting them go.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And we've seen them shoot and kill. Yeah. More than one person.

[Ian Crossland]

I love the jury nullification opportunity. I'd like to see it imposed more righteously once in a while in the United States. But the pricks are saying fight. I mean, that rhetoric is very dangerous. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Have you noticed how fighting I Don't mind the word fight because it means.

[Ian Crossland]

Like two kids fighting in their living room, you know, like two brothers. You're, you're arguing, you're pushing.

[Phil Labonte]

It is so benign compared to the other things that they've said, like fight. You can, you can fight in an art, an argument is a fight. You can. When you get into an argument with your significant other, you say, well, I got into a fight with my girlfriend. Right. You didn't beat her up. You into a fight with her. And, and people understand that. But there are other things that he said that are far more egregious than fight. Fight is. Fight is, is, is the, the very basic bottom of the barrel kind of thing he said. That's, that's, that's inconsequential.

[Ian Crossland]

Honestly, I think it's lazy, though, because, like, you get into a firefight, you know, like, troops can get.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but it's a gunfight different than.

[Christian Maxwell]

An interpretation on purp. Who's toxic in the mind, a person who's mentally unhealthy. When they hear fight, they're like, you know what? We've talked about it long enough, like you said, so what are they going to think about, you know, when it comes to that?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but Trump said, you got to fight like hell, you know, and they claimed that was insurrection for January6. The word fight is typical political rhetoric for decades, even in times of peace. So I try to be careful with that one. The bigger concern is when he starts invoking the boxes of liberty.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because the implied statement there is, if this does not work, you know what I'm asking you?

[Phil Labonte]

And to be honest with you, in New Hampshire, that kind of rhetoric has, it's, it's, it's far more impactful in a place like New Hampshire, because New Hampshire takes their liberty very seriously. The people that he was actually talking to understood that in a different way than, say, the people of California would.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there was that, that, that dude who threatened to kill the governor. Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Working on making bombs or whatever in New Hampshire. So I do think it's fair to say the rhetoric does need to be toned down across the board. I don't care. I'm not gonna play any partisan games. But the problem is, seemingly the right has no problem with doing it. Like, I've made videos where I said, I don't care if on the left, on the right, everybody should tone it down. We don't want violence. Cooler heads must prevail. And then you look at what the left is saying, and they're Escalating, deranged.

[Ian Crossland]

You said at the top of the segment that it's rocking a hard place. And I think it is, because what. From that other perspective, like, why are they aggressively getting in the way of. Why are they beating on cars of ice? They. People in those cities often and sometimes think that my friends are now being taken away from me, and they may be here legally for seven years, but they're my friends.

[Tim Pool]

No, bro.

[Ian Crossland]

What other choice do I have?

[Tim Pool]

No, they don't know these people sometimes. Here's real people. A really great example is Ben Bankus, right? That's the comedian we had on. I was watching one of his. One of his. And Instagram clips, and he was talking about. He was doing a bit about ice, and a heckler yells, the US Citizens are getting deported. He's only deported citizens. And then Ben is like, what. What citizen? And they're like, the guy from Maryland, the Maryland man. And he. And he says, that was a green card holder with a bunch of crimes. And they're like, no, he did nothing wrong. Petty offenses.

[Christian Maxwell]

Did you see that? That guy actually had a record for getting. He got detained or pulled over by an officer, and he was actually trafficking.

[Tim Pool]

Other men, got criminally charged for smuggling.

[Christian Maxwell]

He was tracking.

[Tim Pool]

The point is, these people that you're talking about, Ian, have no idea what's going on. They don't look into it. And that's why you can have an individual like you or me with certain, like, liberal economic views, but we'll be called right wing because we know the truth. Because we say things like, oh, that guy was from El Salvador and was, was, was one. Was caught smuggling humans. They go, you're lying. You're right wing.

[Ian Crossland]

I've been trying to wiggle out of this hard place that the Rock is pushing against. And I'm thinking, like, what if ice. What if the government stops targeting anyone that's been here for 12 years and can speak fluent English? Like, because if they're really integral part of a community and they're well understood, just because.

[Phil Labonte]

Just because they can speak English and they've been here for a long time doesn't mean they're an intro.

[Christian Maxwell]

A lot of people, most people in the world are almost bilingual. It's just an American thing to only be mono.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, Let me. Let me play this clip from Ben for you guys. This is actually pretty good. And he's a funny guy. Let's load it up. Make sure we get the audio going. But that's.

[Phil Labonte]

That's fake news.

[Tim Pool]

I think I Think. Name one citizen that's been deported besides Ellen DeGeneres. She did itself. Deported?

[Christian Maxwell]

No, but I'm curious which.

[Tim Pool]

Which who's been deported?

[Christian Maxwell]

The guy from Maryland.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

So everybody says that he's just a Maryland man.

[Christian Maxwell]

Maryland dad.

[Phil Labonte]

He's just a Maryland man.

[Christian Maxwell]

He's.

[Ian Crossland]

What was his name?

[Tim Pool]

Rodrigo Gonzalez. He's guilty. If your name's not Jeff, you're going. But he wasn't a citizen. He was. He was a green card holder. Not even a green card holder. That's insane.

[Christian Maxwell]

I think his wife had a protection order against him.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Christian Maxwell]

Lefty J.

[Tim Pool]

This is why one day when you're, like, 45 and single after three abortions that you can barely afford on government welfare.

[Christian Maxwell]

And you're gonna go, I was wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Okay? That dude's very funny, and that was good. I don't. I don't blame a comedian for not knowing anything about Kilimar Abrego Garcia. But the point. The reason I bring this up is how the audience. These. This woman was willing to. To yell at a comedian at a comedy show. First of all, why heckle? Yeah, but she was so sure of herself that she said he was a citizen who got deported. And there were petty offenses, petty charges. This guy was. Was suspected of smuggling humans, and the feds told the cops to let him go multiple times. He had beaten his wife on more than one occasion, according to her own accusations. And he was from El Salvador, not a citizen, and he had an order of deportation, but he had a protection order to not be deported to that place. And he's still pending deportation now, I think, to, like, Uganda.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah, his home country doesn't want him back.

[Phil Labonte]

I blame him.

[Tim Pool]

I think the argument they're making is he can't go back because of the fear of death or whatever. So the argument from the Trump administrator. Well, then we can send him literally anywhere else.

[Christian Maxwell]

He can't say here.

[Tim Pool]

And. And this is really funny. The latest update is that apparently his lawyer submitted a fear of death from, like, just a whole bunch of random countries. So they looked at it, and they went, Uganda, I guess. Yeah, that's because they were like, bro, if that's. If that's a game you want to play, we'll keep playing.

[Christian Maxwell]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Look, I don't care if their home country won't take them. I don't care where they send them. Just send them away. I mean, the.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[Phil Labonte]

The home country of the. Of these people. They have the responsibility to allow them in if they've been sent out of their country. Because they're criminals. That doesn't mean it's our responsibility. Responsibility to take them and to let them stay here. And if there is a place where, you know, a third country that's like, man, we don't give a crap, and we can send them there. Send them there. I don't care if it's Uganda or somewhere in Africa and somewhere else in South America or, look, I'm still pro Gitmo. Send them to Gitmo.

[Christian Maxwell]

Here's the thing. Like this. Having immigration happen like this, where there's no checks and balances, it causes real harm. Chicago recently had a measles outbreak. They had a measles outbreak at the immigration facilities where these people were living. So, as you know, a lot of Venezuelans were coming to. Coming to Chicago. And during the time that they were coming from Venezuela, they were actually having a measles outbreak in Venezuela. So here's the thing. A lot of these people will get so mad at a person who's like, hey, I don't want to get all the vaccines. But then they'll be like, hey, let people come in here with no checks and balances, no health checks, and bring in diseases that have kind of been eradicated in our country. We're okay with that. But let a mom down in Texas say, oh, I don't want to vaccine vaccinate my kids. And now that woman is a terrorist, and her kids should be taken.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's.

[Christian Maxwell]

But a lady on the street can have her kids strapped to her back all day, not going to school, and they're spreading measles at facilities, and that's okay. So I think that right now, Americans in general are really fatigued with the. The lack of just reality that these people are in touch with, because it can't be okay for a person to come from a whole other country with diseases that have been eradicated in America. But let a mom, like I said in Texas or in Illinois, say she doesn't want vaccines. And it's like, this person is evil, but the other one is not, and it's not problematic and should stay and should not be forced to vaccinate and can go to school, can go to public schools where teachers can't speak to the kid and the kid can't speak to the teacher because they are actually in CPS schools.

[Tim Pool]

I got a question, you know, because I've been back in Chicago for any meaningful amount of time. You know, the holidays, right?

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But there was this story I saw where they wanted to build an immigration camp yes, in a park. And then it was actually in the black community where they revolted, being like, don't you dare do this. What happened with that?

[Christian Maxwell]

So one of them was actually in a hotel. You may be talking about the one that was in a hotel. I'm not sure. It could be.

[Tim Pool]

It's more like they were like trying to build something in a park or something.

[Christian Maxwell]

They were investing all over. Over black communities and just taking over things. Like I said, abandoned, like abandoned hotels. And they were paying like hundreds of thousands of dollars for these hotels to be converted into migrants shelters. So what you would have is that the police would have to patrol much more often around the migrant shelters. You had the fire department coming out non stop because they would have like seven people in a room in these shelters. And the city was paying tons of money for hotels to be converted for these people. And it was causing a big uptick in crime. So the people actually pushed back in one High park community. Chicago flips. Red was a big part of it. And it really helped for those people to actually get that shelter shut down because they were about to really transform it permanently and make it a part of the community where people have black. Black Chicagoans. And here's the thing, Black Chicagoans have held down the Democratic Party, but they even had to say, hey, what's going on? Because these are die hard High park residents who've invested and you're telling them that now they're going to be living down the street from a migrant shelter where it's. I think the occupancy was supposed to be like 400 people for a hotel, but they were gonna like three or four exit for migrants to be in there. And it's like, that's not, it's just not safe. Like a lot of times if you, if you come to Chicago, it's interesting. So you'll like order doordash and it says it's gonna be a lady named Susan dropping off your food. And then a guy who's clearly of like, you know, either Venezuelan or on Salvadorian rolls up on his Vespa. And it's like, that's not. I'll go. I don't even go to the door anymore for my doordash because I'm like, it's usually a man on a woman's account.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we, we, we, we, we dealt with this. We talked about it too. A car will pull up and it'll say like, mike S for your driver. And then it'll be like some Hispanic guy or whatever, and he'll go like, he's my brother.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm just like, okay. And so now we have a policy of, like, get. Everyone's got to give IDs.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So vehicle pulls up, and it'll say, like, sarah. And it's a guy smart. And we're like, turn around. And we're like, what? And it's like, doordash has a serious problem.

[Christian Maxwell]

It's not safe.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, for us in terms of. We, like, we have very serious security issues. So when strangers pull up saying, here's the food. Please eat it, we're like, nah, that's actually smart. Not gonna eat that food from a strange person who's not listed properly.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah, I didn't even think about that because my. My assumption is that. I think that in Chicago right now, what's happening is that they are basically using doordash and all these little, you know, gig economies to just run their. It's their new form of economy for these people that they've trafficked to the city, and they have them on these accounts, and they're just setting up accounts, and that has to be how they're doing it. But the issue right now, like I said, Chicago has been destabilized. That's why you see Mayor. Mayor Johnson actually just call for, I think, CPD to cut their budget by $100 million. Do you know what Mayor Johnson has been. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

How is his approval rating not, like, negative?

[Christian Maxwell]

Oh, because he's backed by the ctu, which is the entire. Every. Every teacher in Chicago is under the thumb of Stacey Davis Gates. And she. That's. He's a product of cps. He was a teacher. He was a social studies teacher, and he got to. He got to play with the city now. But he wants CPD to cut their budget because he overspent on his migrant population. Who's supposed to elect him again?

[Tim Pool]

Did you. Did you look at the election data by neighborhood when he got elected?

[Christian Maxwell]

I've looked at some of it, but I know that when I look at the overall turnout, the turnout was actually really low for the race in general. Like, you would think that it would be like, 500 to 600,000 people who came out and voted. It wasn't.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but, like, really. So I took the election map showing which. Which neighborhood voted for which candidate, and then I took the neighborhood breakdown by race, and they overlap. So in the Hispanic areas, they all voted for the Hispanic guy. In the white areas, they voted for the white guy. In the black neighborhoods, the top. So in the black Neighborhoods. All the top three candidates were all the black candidates, even if they weren't even the top polling in the city. Brandon Johnson was able to win because one neighborhood deviated. It's a white neighbor that did not vote for the white candidate.

[Christian Maxwell]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Loyola.

[Christian Maxwell]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

Voted for Brandon Johnson, put him over the edge, and that's how you ended.

[Christian Maxwell]

Up getting a he from out closer to that area, Maybe. I think so.

[Tim Pool]

It was a bunch of the presumption was socialist. University kids voted for the socialist.

[Christian Maxwell]

They did.

[Tim Pool]

And now the city is just worse.

[Christian Maxwell]

I actually know some older. I know quite a few older Chicagoans who voted. Voted for Paul Dallas because that was what they resonated with. A lot of older black Chicagoans are more conservative in their mindset. They just hate the idea of a Republican. Yep. So they voted for fall Dallas. But what really failed during that election was that runoff. People didn't come back out.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Christian Maxwell]

Turnout is such a big issue in Chicago. And if for any conservative candidates or Republican candidates, you got to be willing to bust people to the polls like Democrats do. They bust the voters in. They bust them in, and then they mail them those ballots and they win the race before the race even starts.

[Tim Pool]

You know what's crazy, though? My neighborhood voted for Trump.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

A Chicago neighborhood voted for Donald Trump.

[Christian Maxwell]

Becoming more popular.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's. My neighbor was a lot of, like, firefighters and cops. And so these. These people of all different racial backgrounds are just like, nah.

[Christian Maxwell]

Well, because they're living. I mean, if you go, like, on the south side, neighborhoods like that are still standing strong, like the Mountain Greenwoods, Evergreen Parks, you know, Oak Lawn, Beverly. A lot of these places are. They're holding on by a thread. And it really just comes down to the fact, like you said, a lot of them are first responders.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Christian Maxwell]

They're actually investing in their communities. Their kids go to the. Go to the schools in the communities, and they're doing everything that they can to hold on, but they're fighting against, like, a force of dysfunction. And it's like, you have to get Chicago under control. You have to get it under control because it's even spilling out into, like, Orland. It's spilling out into Orland. The theft is going in every direction.

[Tim Pool]

My buddy was telling me. So a couple of my buddies still lived in the area for a while. I left a while ago. And the policy that Chicago's had in these high crime gang neighborhoods, largely black, has been to just bulldoze them. Like leclair Courts is a really great example.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They said, we're going to rebuild this for you. So we're temporarily relocating. You never did.

[Christian Maxwell]

Nope. They just left him in the suburbs.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. And you know Andy, who works here, he's like, all the gangs just moved into other areas and the crime just got worse. They grew and expanded. The city has not dealt with any of these problems. And then it's funny because Trump says, you know, let me, let me tell you, apparently one of the last things I think Trump said, the last thing Charlie Kirk asked him was, Mr. President, please save Chicago. Because Charlie's from Arlington Heights and Trump's talking about sending in the National Guard or the feds. And these politicians like Pritzker, look, fine, I don't live there anymore. There's a reason why I left. But he's like, you can't come in here. We won't let you.

[Christian Maxwell]

And I'm like, he's walking on the lakefront. Have you seen his lakefront videos? He's like, I'm on the south side of the lake. Yeah, I'm on the south side of the lake. It's so safe at 6:00am I'm like, well, they just went to sleep for the night. The criminals do go to sleep during the day. They sleep during the day and they do their crime at night.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the other thing too is they go to wealthy areas, they don't rob their own neighborhood.

[Christian Maxwell]

There is no money in their own right. They go, they go steal a Charger from somebody in the hood and then they go race downtown literally at night. If we ever on the highway at like 8 o', clock, we make sure we stay out of the left lane because there's chargers zooming towards downtown like they're on their way.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's jump to this next door. We got this from the Hill. Trump administration orders federal authorities to ignore California mask law. The Trump admin ordered federal authorities Friday to ignore new legislation in California banning law enforcement officers from wearing masks. Gavin Newsom last Saturday signed the bill, which is slated to take effect January 1, 2026, making face coverings of local, state and federal officials a misdemeanor crime and imposing a civil penalty against officers for tortious conduct. Governor Newsom is confused about his role into the U.S. constitution. Bill Asale, Acting U.S. attorney for the Central District of California, said in a Friday post on X. He oversees California, not federal agencies. He should review the Supremacy Clause. California's laws law to unmask federal agents is unconstitutional as the state lacks jurisdiction to interfere with federal law enforcement. I have directed federal agencies to disregard this state law and adhere to federal law and agency policies. As Salee wrote, this is where things start getting spicy, because although we are still, we got a couple of months until this law kicks in. The question is, will Newsom actually try to impose penalties, misdemeanor crimes, potential charges against ice, or will he just sit there with his, you know, hands tied behind his back, effectively because he can't.

[Ian Crossland]

Do anything and say that they're criminals if he just tells the people they're violating the law now they're criminals and put that out there?

[Christian Maxwell]

Well, I think that the California already rolls like that. So I used to work in the beauty industry, and you would have to have a whole different rule set up for your beauty product based on California, like, California law. Like, there's so many. Even with, like, trucking, like, when trucks drive into California, it's a whole new set of rules they have to ab by. So I think that for them, they've already set multiple precedences where they are used to having their own set of California specific rules. So I don't necessarily know if Newsom is just going to stand down, because that's not the California way.

[Phil Labonte]

He's not going to do it.

[Christian Maxwell]

He's not.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think. I don't think that he's going to do anything. This is, this is all posturing, I think. So he'll go ahead. They won't actually try to arrest any federal agents. And like, like Ian said, I think he'll just go ahead and say, look, I passed this law, and these are criminal ICE agents. They're breaking the law. Look at, look at how, how bad Trump is his Gestapo. And all he's going do is use it to turn up the rhetoric, which is bad in and of itself. Right? Like, this is an escalation. And whatever he does beyond this is also another escalation. But I don't think that he'll go so far as to have his local law enforcement actually have a confrontation with federal law enforcement, because he doesn't want to. I don't. I can't imagine that he wants to see any of his own local law enforcement guys get shot. He doesn't want to see a gunfight between two different law enforcement agencies. And he doesn't, he doesn't actually want to take on the federal government a kinetic way. He wants to take on Trump in a battle of rhetoric, and he wants to look tough. So that way, because he wants to run for president. So if he, if they get into a gunfight Viable? Yeah. If they get into a gunfight, there's no way he's going to win the presidency.

[Christian Maxwell]

The only reason I'm still just concerned is because the temperature, like you talked about, the temperature is up so high. And now they're to the point of they don't want to just posture. They're fatigued with posturing. And I think that on our side, we're like, oh, nobody in their right mind is gonna do that. But the people that are behind a Newsom, they wanna see action now. And I think that that's something we have to be mindful of.

[Tim Pool]

There was a video I just saw today where a bunch of conservatives were at a memorial for Charlie Kirk, and it was painted on a bridge. And some guy filming, he's filming himself with a camera on his body, walks up with spray paint, shakes it up, and then immediately starts trying to desecrate the memorial and immediately gets repelled and then starts threatening people. I love this. He goes, you can't touch me. You can't touch me. And it's like, bro, I've heard that there's so many of these videos. Have you guys seen the video where the dude tries robbing the CVS and he's got these huge bags and a mask on, and then somebody just grabs him, puts him in a chokehold and slams him down while the guy's yelling, you can't touch me. And I'm like, bro, that's not gonna fly with people who don't care anymore. Right. So they end up pepper spraying the dude.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then there's like three other leftists and they're like, you can't do this to us. How do you. And it's like, dude, no one is going to tolerate these leftists acting this way. And you know, to Phil's point, he made just a moment ago in the previous segment, these people have been able to go out with impunity and firebomb ice buildings in 2020 for 100 plus days. And Trump didn't do anything about it. So there are, I mean, think about this. Five years ago, there's a 13 year old, he logs on a Facebook or X or Instagram, whatever's watching TikTok, and he sees these far leftists lobbing explosives at five years later. He's like, why can't I? You don't get in trouble for it. And so now he's out there on the ground with these people doing it. People don't realize, man time, five years, it's not that long. You are gonna See more and more people being told it is okay to do this. That's why I'm saying Trump needs to start arresting these people for the threats. These people at the ICE facility need to be arrested and a message is now sent. So that way when there's a 13 or 14 year old who logs on that tick tock or whatever, they see you get arrested and they see people crying and they say, I ain't doing that.

[Christian Maxwell]

No, because you don't want to go to County. Oh man, you need to have the risk going to county with real hardened criminals who are waiting for you to come in there. Like that needs to be the risk. And I think like you say, normalizing bad behavior and normalizing that you can put your hands on law enforcement and get that close to them is not something that's, it's just not a safe thing to do. You don't touch law enforcement.

[Tim Pool]

I think, you know, people who don't live in Chicago don't understand what means to go to County.

[Christian Maxwell]

Oh man, county is rough. I mean like it's not just a quick stay. Those guys are in there for up to a year. You can sit in county for a year.

[Tim Pool]

And so real criminals, some there's. There's two thoughts about it. So what is like, it's like, what is it like California or. I can't remember that. The address, the street that it's on. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's California on California Avenue or whatever. And so some of these people are in county lockup pending transfer to first, like waiting trial for serious murder. And their attitude is like, I'm going nowhere so I can do whatever I want. So you might. What's scary for a lot of people with county is you might get a charge where you're looking at two or three months.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You go to county and then some guy starts a beef with you who's like, bro, I'm in here for the rest of my life. And then what happens if you get into a fight, you get more time. And so people are terrified for a variety of reasons. Plus the gangs run out of there. Yeah, yeah. Go to County. No, no.

[Christian Maxwell]

And it needs to be a real risk. Like if you're like a college kid, like you need to really be thinking about this. Like, no, there's an amount of bail getting you out of here.

[Tim Pool]

Could you imagine like a woke white liberal woman in county lockup trying to tell like some 30 year old gangbanger about how oppressed he is?

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah, even, I mean, if you're in there with These hardened chicks, like they're nothing to play with. I think that like you said, it just has to, you have to have normalcy. We have, we need to return to normalcy and return to common sense. Like the normal person is never going to go touch a law enforcement official. Official. It doesn't occur to me to touch them. So we need to normalize that for more of the population. Like that's, that's just the only way forward.

[Ian Crossland]

We're such, in such strange times, like they're abnormal times with this 20 plus million surge of illegal immigrants and that people have been either brainwashed into believing that they're the Rebel alliance and that the Empire is coming with their stormtroopers all masked up to take their people away.

[Christian Maxwell]

The new Jewish people, they've made the migrants the new Jewish people. They really have. And I think that's so weird to co op the Jewish story. And also they, they also look at these people like the new slaves. Like they will kind of tell me like, oh, you're gonna be like a person like me. Like, oh, this was you just a little bit ago. And it's like, hey, that it actually wasn't.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that was me. Never. No, I was never slave.

[Christian Maxwell]

None of. And for like I was never enslaved. And also slaves didn't like hop over here. Like they like that's not even like the story. And it's like to make it seem like I should be okay with illegal aliens coming into the country, I'm like, I'm an American. I'm an American. And I think that for a lot of black people, they need to really identify much more heavily with being Americans. We are not slaves anymore. We are American citizens with all the rights and privilege privileges of being American citizens. And for the Democratic Party to continue to tell us that we are not and that we're actually second class citizens who at any point could get deported with illegal aliens. Because that's the rhetoric they tell us it could be you, you're gonna get enslaved. No we're not. No, we're not.

[Tim Pool]

It really is this amazing contrast between Clarence Thomas and Ketanji Brown Jackson. And like Clarence Thomas is one of the greatest thinkers of our lifetime and Ketanji Brown Jackson is real dog, gen.

[Ian Crossland]

And stupidity don't care about your race.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Ian Crossland]

Everybody's got it.

[Christian Maxwell]

No, but she's, she's a really bad influence for black women in general. And that's why you see a lot of black women following in her footsteps. It's like the Jasmine Crockett syndrome. This is why it's been normalized for black women to feel like, oh, let me go and get really educated, but not evolve.

[Tim Pool]

Well, she fakes it.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That's the worst thing is that she's a well educated, professional individual who decided. I'm going to act like I'm ghetto.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And play this character up.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy.

[Christian Maxwell]

No, it's either play like you're a civil rights activist or play like you're ghetto and about that life. It's like you're not. She has. She literally walks around Congress or walks around the Capitol, Capitol Hill with, like, security around him. Like, you're not about that life. You're actually quite scared. You're quite shook about the attention that you have.

[Tim Pool]

But where is she from?

[Christian Maxwell]

She's from St. Louis. She's actually from close to my. Tonight. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

All right. I'll give her some credit for St. Louis.

[Christian Maxwell]

Father is a preacher. She went to schools that cost, like $30,000 a year. Like, this woman is not what she portrays at all. And it really.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so WES, not East St. Louis.

[Christian Maxwell]

No, no, no. I was. I'm from East St. Louis, and I'm like. I'm from East St Louis area where people are terrified.

[Tim Pool]

Oh.

[Christian Maxwell]

You know, to go to. And I'm like, I don't act like that. So why do you act like that? And you're from St. Louis.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Crossing the. Crossing the river is like. When you do. It gets bad. Yep.

[Christian Maxwell]

No, it gets really bad. East St. Louis is a. Probably considered a dead town at this point, but my grandma.

[Tim Pool]

It's crazy, too, with like. Like, AOC Jasmine Crockett. I mean, is she a squad member now? Is that or no.

[Christian Maxwell]

Which one? Jasmine Crockett.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know if she's actually a member of the squad.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if there's a squad anymore, because honorary. They lost, like, three squad members. So the squad broke up. Is that what happened?

[Christian Maxwell]

I feel like Jasmine Crockett is mad at them because they didn't want her to be. You know, they were like, no, you can't lead the committee. What was it? The oversight committee.

[Phil Labonte]

Like that.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah, they, you know, they knocked her off of that because she's. She's not really one of their team.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm gonna ask again because I didn't get the answer I wanted last time, but. Okay, so what's the difference here? There's people that have here illegally for five or six years that don't speak English. They came in the surge. Biden's surge versus People that have been here over a decade that speak fluent English, that have a lot of friends and family in the. In the community.

[Tim Pool]

Well, what are you asking? Because that's the distinction. That we should.

[Ian Crossland]

That we should not use ICE to deport people that are integral now, that have integrated, even if they're illegal.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the priority of the Trump administration is not those people.

[Christian Maxwell]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

But don't grab them anyway. If they.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think the proper way to describe it is they'll get them anyway. I think it's that they've been looking for active orders of deportation, and they're typically targeting. They want to go after the criminals.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Some kind of heavy crime or multiple infractions. Some of these people are a guy who lived in an area for a long time, but he has an infraction. I have not. I don't think there's actually any big national stories of, like, a guy whose only offense was an order of deportation, who worked at a grocery store or anything. Typically, even when the left puts up these videos where it's like, there's one right now of a guy screaming, ayuda may or no, no. There's one where it means a guy to me. No, it means help me. Oh, yeah. There's no. No. So there's a video where a guy is out, is at a car, and they throw him down, and he's screaming in Spanish, please, Please. I just. I just want to see my family. And all these libs are going, oh, my God.

[Phil Labonte]

He just wasn't.

[Tim Pool]

He was a pedophile.

[Christian Maxwell]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it's like, guys, that.

[Ian Crossland]

You.

[Tim Pool]

What are you doing?

[Ian Crossland]

I believe what you're saying, actually, but that the people that are here, 10, 12 years, integrated, working at the grocery store with no criminal record, excep. Are terrified that they will be grabbed. So maybe we could give them federal immunity.

[Tim Pool]

What? Why?

[Ian Crossland]

If they can prove that they've been here over a decade, I think it.

[Christian Maxwell]

Does a disservice to immigrants who go through the actual thorough process, and that's the one thing we have to protect, is the process of immigration. Those people know more about America than we do. A lot of times they have to learn so much about this country. They pay so much money to become American citizens, and it takes so much time. So it really does. In order to say, hey, you're okay. For the person who came in at 12, the same time period as the person who came illegally, it's like, well, why did I go through all of this and wait? Or even people who are Seeking us. What is it? Asylum. Where you have to wait to come into the country for asylum, you're supposed.

[Phil Labonte]

To go to a port of entry.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And if there's a country that is. Is between the country you originated at and the United States that actually is safe, you're supposed to stop there, Ian.

[Tim Pool]

And. And apply them.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So I have a pitch for you, Ian. I. I've been thinking about this. You know, I was reading the other day about a guy, and they called it a bank robbery. Can you believe this? This poor man, he was just making an undocumented withdrawal from the bank. And I said, why don't we. I mean, look, it's been a couple years since the undocumented withdrawal. He's used the money to work and live in his home, and he built it up. Why arrest him at this point?

[Ian Crossland]

Do you think all the people that have bitcoin that didn't report it to the government should go to prison?

[Tim Pool]

Do I think people that have in that have violated tax law should go to prison?

[Ian Crossland]

Most they just have bitcoin and didn't ever report it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So, you know what happens is they send you a bill, you don't go to prison.

[Ian Crossland]

The government doesn't know they have it. They have it offshore. They have it. They don't tell. They have cold storage. Like, should those.

[Tim Pool]

If you want to have a debate over the morality of tax law, just law in general. Tax and murder and undocumented. They're all documented. They're all distinct things.

[Ian Crossland]

And tax.

[Tim Pool]

So you're comparing apples to oranges. And I'll tell you this. The answer is, is the people, the people who bought bitcoin and have made a lot of money, it should pay their taxes. Now, we can have a debate over how we should handle tax law as it pertains to this country and how I feel about taxes and all that. But if the argument is these people knew full well that buying crypto and then making a massive gain on that would require them paying capital gains when they. When they. When they. When they actually see the return, and then they intentionally hid that from the government, Well, I have a problem with that. We talked about, and I'm not going to cut. But here's the thing. Often when you have tax stuff like this, I said this of Hunter Biden, usually the IRS just says, hey, dude, you owe us. They don't. They don't come and lock you up unless there's something egregious that you did.

[Ian Crossland]

We talked about jury nullification earlier, about a jury Being like, look, the law. It may be the law, but it's not just. And I think that with the illegal. Because if we just go hardcore, everyone go. You'll just get more and more resistance.

[Christian Maxwell]

I have a good analogy.

[Phil Labonte]

I think just about sitting back, though.

[Christian Maxwell]

So listen, what about this analogy? So what if somebody. What if we're talking about a squatter instead? Because my. My family has land in Arkansas, and they have squatters on it. So say you have a squatter in a house, and they've been there for, like, 12 years. Is that house ever theirs? Is it more theirs now today than it was when they first started squatting? When they broke in and decided, this is my house now? Is it there? Is it? Should that person who actually owns that house not be able to get their house back because the person's been there for so long?

[Tim Pool]

Well, 12 years is an interesting question, actually. And if. And if we're talking about, like, there are questions that I think are fair when we're talking about duration. If you own property and you did not.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah. Let somebody stay there for 12 years, you're negligent as heck.

[Tim Pool]

But, like, six months to a year.

[Christian Maxwell]

But also, our immigration system was negligent as heck. And it's like. So I guess that kind of goes back to what you said. Like, if we let somebody stay here for 12 years, like, the US jacked up, you know, like, why was that person here 12 years?

[Tim Pool]

But again, to Ian's point, I would say these are completely morally distinct things.

[Christian Maxwell]

Things.

[Tim Pool]

Someone didn't pay taxes to the government. Nobody was physically hurt. The. The gd, the tax revenue for the year was barely impacted. Somebody with bitcoin. Let's say someone got really wealthy off it, and they owe $7 million in Bitcoin. That's a rounding error for the federal budget. I. I think the appropriate solution is, hey, you owe taxes, you got a tax bill. Thank you, and have a nice day.

[Ian Crossland]

The crypto thing's irrelevant, too. I think that squatting is a better metaphor.

[Tim Pool]

If somebody came here illegally, it is not in any way a moral violation to say. Ian, I couldn't help but notice you've been in my house for a long time. I'm gonna give you a ride home, okay? Give me the address. I'll pay for it. Listen, if I found. There was a guy in my basement that I didn't know was there, and the worst that happened was I was like, let's say I.

[Christian Maxwell]

They'll pay for them to leave. They'll actually pay for.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. Ian let's say one day I'm like, you know, I keep every night hearing this weird noise in my basement. And it's been this way for a couple years. I go down there and there's a little Hagrid, little Jasmine Crockett going, my husband's her basement. My baby. And then I say, okay, this is a problem for me. You can't be in my house. I'm gonna give you a ride home. I'm gonna pay for the gas. You will be comfortable the whole way, and you make sure.

[Christian Maxwell]

And you come back legally through the front door.

[Tim Pool]

You'll be well fed, and all you gotta do is come back, knock, and then we'll talk about it.

[Ian Crossland]

12 years at one of your properties you don't live at, and it's just. You just didn't pay any attention. And now it's their house.

[Tim Pool]

So here's the issue. There's a difference between an individual who waited 12 years and never checked on their property. I would call that abandoned. The United States government is very different because there have been people in this country demanding the deportation of these individuals, but a government that would not do it. So you've got people outright saying, no, stop this. And the law saying, you can't. Skirting the law and hiding is different. So how about a better analogy, Ian? You own a house.

[Christian Maxwell]

House.

[Tim Pool]

You check on it every. Every other week. And the person squatting hides every time you come and check. And so one day you figure out they've been there for 12 years, but every time you check, they've been hiding from you. Can you kick them out?

[Ian Crossland]

Depends on the state. Legally.

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm saying physically. Morally, Morally.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, that's rough.

[Tim Pool]

They're hiding from you.

[Ian Crossland]

There's like a family of people that have been hiding and living.

[Tim Pool]

They intentionally. They intentionally broke into your house. They're hiding from you because they know you're keeping up with the house, you're checking on it, and you don't want anyone there.

[Phil Labonte]

Bye.

[Tim Pool]

Goodbye.

[Christian Maxwell]

Because here's 100%.

[Ian Crossland]

So you're. If you're aware. Yeah. If you're not negligent. If you're aware they're there.

[Tim Pool]

And this. And this country. This country has laws saying you can't do it.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, what's going to happen?

[Tim Pool]

ICE was enforcing those laws, particularly under Obama. Just because some people got away with it from hiding, what's going to happen doesn't mean we leave.

[Ian Crossland]

BlackRock's going to own 20% of the houses in the country, and people are going to be like, like squatting.

[Phil Labonte]

We're gonna be like.

[Christian Maxwell]

Financial aid agency in Illinois. And here's the thing. So for a lot of these people who have been long time illegal aliens, they also had kids they brought here with them. I would literally be doing financial aid applications with these children. And they thought they were citizens. So that's the issue is like, what are the. We have to think about all the real world implications of somebody who has not pursued legal citizenship and what it does to their entire family unit as well. So those kids would be thinking, oh, they. And these would be smart kids. Like, they actually had like, better GPAs than some of the kids who were like actual American citizens. But when it came time for me to say, hey, what's your social? They would show me either a card that was like a DACA card or they would show me something else. And it's like, hey, that's not, that's not a social. And then they would have to find out all of a sudden, like, wait, what do you mean? And I would be breaking the news to them that they weren't a citizen.

[Ian Crossland]

Did they get deported?

[Christian Maxwell]

No. So they would actually train us with the state's financial agencies to make sure we were like protecting, you know, these kids so they wouldn't end up in a precarious situation. But when you have a parent that is negligent or a person who's now negligent with not going through that process, you really have to ask, like, why aren't you going through the process to, you know, to make yourself right? Because it's not. It hasn't always been a hostile situation in America where you couldn't go and then pursue, you know, citizenship. So why hasn't it been a priority, especially if you've been here for 12 years?

[Ian Crossland]

Because the government was being negligent.

[Phil Labonte]

Bye.

[Tim Pool]

Bye. No, listen, there, there, there. There's this story that we're going to pull up in a second where a guy is a superintendent in Iowa.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Just because you've, like contributed, lied and hidden from law enforcement does not mean, oh, you win, you robbed the bank, but you ran around the block five times and we couldn't catch us a dread. You get to keep the money. There's no time.

[Ian Crossland]

There's a statute of limitations.

[Tim Pool]

Of limitations means we knew you, we knew where you were, we knew who you are, we knew the crime and accusations were there and we didn't pursue it. That's different. If we say this is a crime and then you hide from us and we can't find you and didn't know that you were here. The statute of limitations doesn't kick in until we're aware of that crime. So if a guy comes from Guatemala and is living here illegally and no one knows the crime has been committed, then it's not negligent. If one day we then say, hey, wait a minute, that guy's illegal and we pursue it, it doesn't matter how.

[Ian Crossland]

Long it's Biden saying surge the border was negligent.

[Phil Labonte]

Fair enough. But look, the reason why I'm so hardline on it, and I am completely hardline, I don't care what nuance you add to it, my answer is goodbye.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Phil Labonte]

Just send. If you are here illegally, you have to go back by. That's it. The reason is because it deters people from coming here in future.

[Tim Pool]

It's not just that our economy is the place our low skilled labor is displaced, our housing is displaced. Houses should not cost as much as they are. And we can certainly talk about Trump wanting interest rates to go down because it's going to make houses go up in price. But if there were, if we, if the people who came here illegally were not here, then the cost of houses would go way down. Why? Because the supply would be massive. Gen Z would then be able to afford homes. Maybe then they'd have families. So I do not tolerate Democrats saying abort your babies.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And surge the border. So we have this massive strain on low skilled labor, the housing market, and no one can have families. Then they're telling everyone to abort their babies and they're just destroying this country.

[Phil Labonte]

And then they call everybody racist. When you say things like the great replacement is real.

[Christian Maxwell]

It is real. You got to replace the religion. Because actually, when you think about the pace of something like, like, like the Muslim religion in comparison to Christianity, the Muslims are outpacing Christianity in different areas because they have more babies. They are literally birthing more Muslims. Like, that's literally how they're growing.

[Tim Pool]

The left loves Islam and hates Christianity.

[Christian Maxwell]

They're Islam adjacent. And it's like as soon as Islam has taken over the areas. Because if you go look at. So if you go in Illinois, they've had a big foothold in areas like.

[Phil Labonte]

Orland park and needs to realize that Islam does not love them.

[Christian Maxwell]

They will not.

[Tim Pool]

We. We have to jump to this story from KGW.com rapper Ice Cube's tour bus catches fire in downtown Portland. Investigation underway. Now you may be saying, Tim, I don't. That's sad to hear. For Ice Cube, the rumor is the fire was started by people who thought they were firebombing Ice, which.

[Phil Labonte]

That is hilarious. It's terrible for the owner of the. It's, it's awful for the owner of the bus because I assume that Ice Cube doesn't own the bus, probably renting it, apparently.

[Christian Maxwell]

Didn't he say something left field about recent. He had a comment, I think recently about, I don't know if it was about ice, but that sucks.

[Phil Labonte]

So most people.

[Tim Pool]

Again, this is, this is apparently. I don't know if this is actual footage. That's what everyone's sharing. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Side of the bus.

[Tim Pool]

And apparently it said Ice. Ice Cube or something because they call them Ice. Yeah. Now, I don't know if that's true.

[Phil Labonte]

However, guys be pretty on brand.

[Tim Pool]

Downtown Portland, which has this kind of stuff all the time. And the Portland ICE protests are ongoing. So when someone says ice, who set fire to his bus and why, why did it just happen? Because somebody did it for a reason. Now we can speculate, maybe it was some guy who was like, I am so jealous of this famous rapper. I will burn it. I don't know. We don't really hear stories like that. So when the rumor is anti ice protesters set fire to Ice Cubes, Cube's van or tour bus were kind of like, you know, that's kind of believable.

[Christian Maxwell]

It's believable in my opinion.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And Ice Cube might have killed people in the past. Like he came from a rough neighborhood. I wouldn't want to set his, his bus on fire personally.

[Tim Pool]

He said, maybe it'll bring us up.

[Christian Maxwell]

Bring him over to our calls.

[Tim Pool]

So apparently he said he's not taking it as a personal attack, that it could have been anybody who did it or whatever.

[Phil Labonte]

That's good.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that whoever did, it's probably whether motivation was left. It was one of these crackpots Portland protesters. Because it's not, it's not the lady who owns the boutique shop in Portland doing it.

[Christian Maxwell]

No.

[Phil Labonte]

And they were probably on drugs.

[Christian Maxwell]

Portland has been under siege since the pandemic started. Like they've been in a non stop protest in anarchy.

[Phil Labonte]

Which speaks to my, my earlier point of they should have been arresting people that assault.

[Christian Maxwell]

No, they just, they were like, oh, let's just give you privacy, give them, give them space, give you the city and you'll calm down. And they never calm down.

[Phil Labonte]

You should have arrested them all, throwing.

[Christian Maxwell]

Them all in jail, lighting fire.

[Ian Crossland]

Does ICE mark their vans? Does it say Ice on the ice?

[Phil Labonte]

Sometimes some Some of them will and some of them don't.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, no, it, it.

[Phil Labonte]

It.

[Tim Pool]

It depends. And I think it doesn't say ICE specifically. Border Patrol does. It's white with a green band, has Border patrol on it. The ICE fans. Let me see if I can find the photo of these vans that got shot. We do have them. Let me pull this up so you can take a look at it.

[Christian Maxwell]

Because people are working so hard to figure out where ICE is going to be now. Like in Chicago. Black Club.

[Tim Pool]

They're not unmarked.

[Christian Maxwell]

No.

[Tim Pool]

There's writing on the front. I'll try and see if I can get a better image of what it says.

[Christian Maxwell]

Why would they think he would have a tour bus for ice?

[Tim Pool]

Like, man, these images are all small. You can't read anything. So this is the thing about the shooter at the ICE facility when. When the left is all IQ is shooting detainees. He didn't know that these vehicles were for detainee transport. He just saw ICE vehicles and started shooting at them.

[Ian Crossland]

The reason I asked is because I feel like the path that is. Seems like is happening is that they'll. At some point, I'll be like, we can't mark our vehicles anymore because we're too easy to target. Then they'll have unmarked vehicles. Then they'll be like, we can't show anybody's face because it's too dangerous. Then they'll all have stormtrooper armor on. And they'll be like, now we all have digital ID they want, like, which they just secure. Starmer in England yesterday was like, we're all going to have digital ID now. Because the problem they created of the mass immigration, now they. They're going to try and fix the problem they created with even more problems.

[Tim Pool]

Called problem reaction solution.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. It's like, it's textbook totalitarian governance.

[Tim Pool]

Book Alex Jones, circa.

[Ian Crossland]

Thank you, Alex. Thank you for bringing me the most.

[Christian Maxwell]

Popular name in London. Muhammad. Like the. I think it's name for babies. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Or for. For boys.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd rather not go down this path. But at the same time, it feels like the empire, you know, London.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Christian Maxwell]

London has fallen.

[Tim Pool]

As of 2023, Muhammad is officially taking the top spot in England as the most popular baby. So not even just London, England.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Christian Maxwell]

It's really bad.

[Tim Pool]

Overtook Noah.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah. No, their whole culture has shifted. It's.

[Tim Pool]

It happened in the United States.

[Ian Crossland]

You can't even blame Joe. I mean, you can kind of blame Joe Biden when he said surge the border. Negligent, near dementia, but it was almost this Emergent apathy. That bro.

[Tim Pool]

The stuff we are learning about James Comey that we've learned about him. And not even just him, but Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama actually, you know, and we'll talk about it in a second with the new information about what happened on J6. I mean it's pretty patently obvious that we had a rogue anti American faction in control of our institutions and our government for this period, for a long time.

[Ian Crossland]

I think it began at 9 11. I mean I watched it, the entire country change after 911 with the patriot act and the way people were like, whatever you want, government, you're in control.

[Christian Maxwell]

Now take the wheel.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know if I agree with that.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I remember September of 2001, how normal it was. And then all of a sudden.

[Phil Labonte]

All of a sudden what?

[Ian Crossland]

All of a sudden it, it mattered more what George Bush said than anybody else.

[Phil Labonte]

There, there was, there was a significant terror attack on 9 11. What is it that you were. What is it that you think like so going into. Aside from going to Iraq because Iraq was a terrible, terrible debauched idea. What it, what is it aside from that, that, that you think was. Was the major change where someone, a nefarious organization that didn't love America took over? Is that what the. Because that's kind of what. What Tim was saying.

[Ian Crossland]

That was like a mask off moment. I, I mean it's been at it since the 1930 business plot when they tried to march 400000 men on Washington.

[Tim Pool]

D.C. yeah, but let's pause because the creation of liberal economic order after World War II was a substantially different set of c circumstances from the business plot. And so I believe the liberal economic order was, was the principal turning point for this country in which we had the birth of the UNIT Party. And you get it. I mean, the International Monetary Fund, the Bank for International Settlements, all of these things that were created in the wake of the US and its European allies being like, it's time for us to own the world. That is when in 2016 Trump got and was like, no. And then they were like, we can't let them dismantle this.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they did with the Federal Reserve. That was like the fascist foot in the door. Then the business plot was their blatant attempt at the fascist coup. And that got Smedley Butler blew it up.

[Tim Pool]

And they're like, no, fascist is not the right way to describe it.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, they said it's going to be a fascist coup. Smedley, can you lead a fascist coup on the government? We want to over literally verbatim. It was either communism or fascism. That was what people were thinking at that point in history. And they're like, we want to do a fascist government.

[Christian Maxwell]

When this big uptick in not for profits took over America. Like not for profit business is such a major job like jobs category in America. And I feel like that's driving a lot of, of how Congress is behaving because a lot of the money gets funneled sometimes from those not for profits into their campaigns. Like these people are not raising the amount of money that you think they're raising for their campaigns. They're getting it via these alternative routes. And you have so much money that's going into not for profit donations. And then it's just they don't have to disclose things the way that you would think they have to disclose it. And I think that that's really caused a lot of the corruption. Even in states like Illinois, Pritzker has a not for profit that he exclusively uses to lobby and to influence elections so he can go into other states and influence their elections with his not for profit. And that's how he's been swaying people's elections is via that.

[Tim Pool]

And you're correct explicitly and overtly fascist was the business plot.

[Ian Crossland]

It was bankers and their names are public. The media just was like, we'll just not mention this. I mean the business plot is the most fascist.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean look, looking at, looking at historical things from nat from like with modern eyes is one thing, but like prior to the, prior to Mussolini and prior to the Nazis specific unique version of fascism, fascism wasn't looked at in the same way that we look at it today, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Like it wasn't inherently evil.

[Phil Labonte]

It was just so it's, it's a. The way, and I feel like the way that we're talking about it here, or at least the way that you're, you're talking about it, doesn't it. It only sees it from a, a modern perspective.

[Ian Crossland]

I do think the word fascist has been used like a cudgel lately. But we're all in a fast, partly fascist system. Like 13 fascist.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, look, so like in Chile, right? Chile was, was a fascist. Pinochet was a fascist dictator. And he was, he was pretty, he was fairly brutal. But like at the end of his, his reign, like he left power. I think he died. But like they didn't continue on. There wasn't another dictator after that. If I remember correctly, and I'm not super well versed on it, but they had like fashion you can have a fascist government that goes away. You can vote a fascist. There are even fascist governments that are voted out. So like the idea that the way that people think of fascism today implies Nazism. Right. They're, they're, it's almost like they're, they're, it's, it's synonymous for Nazism and it's not Nazism. Pardon me.

[Christian Maxwell]

And racism, well, they lump it all in together.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's, that's true. But fascism frequently did have racist, racist connections because they were very, very nationalistic and, and, and ethnicity mattered and stuff like that. But I just, I just want to point out, like at least want to, you know, shed light on. When you say fascist, people think Nazi.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Nowadays. Right. Even though Nazis were a very specific and a unique form of fascism, they aren't, it is not the same as other fascist governments.

[Ian Crossland]

Right. Mussolini particularly was hardcore like state owned control everything kind of thing, which people think that's what fascism. But it's just like, like when Trump used government funds to buy 10% of Intel. That was a fascist move.

[Phil Labonte]

No, that wasn't fascist.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. It was buying part of a corporation.

[Phil Labonte]

No, because, because the corporation still has like their own agenda. Well, like one of the things of it, it. Yeah, 90% of it. 9. So that's like, that's not, that's not fascism. Like if you're a fat, if you listen, because in a fascist government, the fascists would, the government would go and say, these are the things that the government wants. And you can stay in business and you can make profit and you can keep your property, but you need to work towards the ends that the government wants. So if you have, if you have 90% of your business that's working to do whatever you want, want and make profit for your shareholders, and only 10% of the government is owned by the government, that's not the government controlling what you do.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, there's a small part of that is being controlled, but that's not fascist.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[Phil Labonte]

Listen, fascist or not fascist, it's not one or two. Ian. The point is in a fascist government, they demand that companies do what is, do what the government wants them to do. Work towards the same end that the government has. If the companies have the freedom to do other things, to do whatever they want with 90% of their resources, and only a portion of it goes to what the government ends the government wants. That's not fascism. Pointing out that it's just the government having a stake in the company.

[Ian Crossland]

But it's not that a government is or isn't fascist. Governments can have fascist aspects and some of those are.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, hold on. Okay, hold on. Ian, what does fascism mean?

[Ian Crossland]

The way I think of it is corporate government collusion.

[Tim Pool]

Like communism, you mean?

[Ian Crossland]

Similar, but they use money to soft influence. They don't actually own the stuff. I mean, you could argue Communist to buy 10% of intel, but it's, it's more of like soft influence behind the paywall, basically.

[Tim Pool]

What is that? What do you mean?

[Ian Crossland]

It's not overt ownership. It's like control of corporations through media manipulation. Fascisms.

[Tim Pool]

So what you're saying what Trump is doing is communist because they're.

[Ian Crossland]

You could argue it is more communist than fascist, but it would technically be both. I mean, and you know, but the fascism.

[Tim Pool]

What's the distinction between the two?

[Ian Crossland]

What's that?

[Tim Pool]

What's the distinction between the two?

[Ian Crossland]

That in a communist state, the government would own the means of production, would own the companies.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Ian Crossland]

Owning 10% of a company is a little different.

[Tim Pool]

So fascism is when you own some of it. Communism is when you own all of it.

[Ian Crossland]

Communism definitely when you own all of it. You might be able to make the argument that fascism is a road to communism. I mean, if they start to. It's just. He put it on.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think you know what either of these words mean.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I know that communism is state controlled business.

[Phil Labonte]

State owns the means.

[Tim Pool]

So socialism is the economic structure of what you're referring to. Communism is the political philosophy that encompasses the economic structures. Fascism has a few different definitions, but it's largely a reference to authoritarian traditionalism. Communism is authoritarian progressivism because totalitarian systems can take many different forms. The communist philosophy largely was. Was based on we are all equal, the blank slate. The fascist ideology was largely based on the strong must survive, and there is no truth but power. So that's the difference. How your economy functions isn't necessarily a component of either of these ideologies.

[Ian Crossland]

No, it's. I kind of agree with that. Yeah. But the Federal Reserve is a fascist function by giving the private company control of our monetary supply.

[Tim Pool]

One argument was that fascism was the lucrative merger of corporation and state. The only problem is that's just an economic system that could exist in any country, even if it's not totalitarian, if it has a strong culture. So that's why I've never been a big fan of that definition as the whole of fascism. What you find with the Italians and the Nazis when people tend to describe fascism is that they were very much traditionalist, nationalist, authoritarian. When you look at the communists. They were progressive, globalist, authoritarian. So one could make the argument, you know, Hitler wanted to rule the world. Sure. The ideology for the Nazis is not necessarily fascism, as Phil was pointing out out. The general idea was ultra nationalism. And the communists were like, we will control everything and everyone will be equal under the blank slate.

[Christian Maxwell]

And labor is everything.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And men and women are. It doesn't matter if you're a man or woman. It doesn't matter, you know, very much anarcho tyranny, like fascism was very much rigid authoritarian hierarchy. And, you know, simple way to describe both of these ideologies, I suppose, especially when you look at, at the turn of the turn of the century. Now I think the problem we have in this country is all people can do is cite someone else.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Instead of, I don't know, make up a new word. But we don't have that kind of academia and, and largely these ideas took decades to cement themselves in the psyche of the public. So can we call what we're seeing today from the US Government communism or fashion? I mean, technically, because there's similarities, but it's, but it's so different. So people say gay race communism because they're trying to add qualifiers to justify how it. What it is, even though it's somewhat different. I think the reality is no one has just written the academic paper with a new phrase describing it. People have tried to claim it's called Trumpism. Right. And what is that?

[Ian Crossland]

Technocracy. But that's.

[Tim Pool]

It's not.

[Ian Crossland]

It could be a neutral good thing. You know, it doesn't have to be evil. Like fascism, I think, is evil by nature.

[Phil Labonte]

Why?

[Ian Crossland]

But it creates order because it usually strips rights away from the common man and gives it to the central authority.

[Tim Pool]

But what if everyone in a country likes that and they vote for it.

[Christian Maxwell]

And they've given it away?

[Ian Crossland]

A lot of you get Mussolini.

[Tim Pool]

All right, so honest question. Question for you, Ian, is communism evil?

[Ian Crossland]

It's like a political philosophy, but it tends towards suffering. So. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I think you said fascism was evil, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I think it tends towards suffering.

[Tim Pool]

And so communism is evil too.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that's safe to say.

[Tim Pool]

If there is a. If there's a nation of 500,000 people and they vote, vote for communism, they go communist and then they all celebrate and cheer and they're had never been happier. Should we shut down their evil system or just let them do what they want?

[Christian Maxwell]

Well, interesting.

[Ian Crossland]

I guess it's like, do no harm, you know, but if they start infringing on your Rights, you have to do something.

[Tim Pool]

Whose rights?

[Ian Crossland]

On your rights.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying there's a country, you don't live in it.

[Ian Crossland]

These are spying on you.

[Tim Pool]

They've got 500,000 citizens. They vote for communism, they never leave, they're happy, they don't go to war with anybody, they grow their own food, they mind their own business, and they have a 100% happiness rate among the population.

[Ian Crossland]

That would be really good.

[Tim Pool]

So is that evil?

[Ian Crossland]

I think communism is evil because it strips rights away from the end.

[Tim Pool]

Even if the people vote for it and they're happy for it. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

People can vote for evil and be.

[Tim Pool]

Happy and they're not affecting anybody or aggressing on anybody else. And they're all living in their communist utopia.

[Ian Crossland]

But when you centralize authority, those people tend to go nuts.

[Tim Pool]

That's not my question.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay. I'm asking if your hypothetical system functioned, you'd have like, Bhutan.

[Tim Pool]

The point I'm making is that what is evil about communism is that they force you into it with a gun to your head. If there was a fascist system where people were like, we want to build our own community just for people like us, where we're going to have these rules and you don't get to vote, and they all say, we would like to enter into that system and they don't aggress against anybody. They've consented to it. They live there, they're happy. There's no human rights abuses. It's just the government is in control and tells people what they can and can't do and they say, we're happy with that.

[Ian Crossland]

It, it could work.

[Tim Pool]

So is it evil? The issue is not how people choose to live, when they choose to live that way. The issue is that fascists took it by force to, for and, and, and abused people who didn't fit in. And the communists largely do the same thing, take it by force. And in both of these systems, through the force, they enrich themselves at the top.

[Ian Crossland]

In the 1913 Federal Reserve act, it was done not through force, it was done through legislation. The fascists took the power.

[Christian Maxwell]

Well, I think even if we're thinking about real time examples of not communism or fashion fascism, but if we're looking at even like what's happening in Illinois where the rhetoric, the, the story is just being changed, what I, what I see often when I'm talking to people who live in Illinois who are still voting for Pritzker, things like that, they don't know. They don't know the truth. They actually don't really know it because they're still citing sources like the Washington Post. You know, they're reading what they believe is reputable sources. And I think that when you start to change narratives and people can't make an educated decision, like he said, they're not. They're not choosing Pritzker from an educated place. They're choosing Pritzker based on a narrative that they've been. That's been implanted in them. And they feel confident in that narrative. But that narrative is not the truth. And I think that when manipulation is implanted, that is when you have evil or inherent evil.

[Tim Pool]

Like you said, the NPC meme that that really describes these people. And you know What? If the NPCs I want to go live in Venezuela and their socialist utopia, then I got no problem with that.

[Christian Maxwell]

Go do it.

[Phil Labonte]

Ian, I just. In Slack. I just sent you a book about fascism. You should take a look at it.

[Tim Pool]

I want to pull up this story, though. We'll jump to this from the post. Millennial ICE arrests illegal immigrant from Guyana who served as Des Moines school superintendent. Roberts entered the US on a student visa in 1999. This is where the debate gets real interesting. On Friday, ICE arrested a Guyanese national who'd been serving as a superintendent of Des Moines Public Schools. Ian Andre Roberts was found to be in possession of a loaded handgun, $3,000 in cash, and a fixed blade hunting knife. Officers approached Roberts in his vehicle. After identifying themselves as Immigration enforcement agents. He allegedly sped away. His vehicle was later discovered abandoned near wooded area. Roberts was taken into custody after Iowa State Patrol assisted in locating him. He had a gun.

[Christian Maxwell]

One.

[Tim Pool]

Let's see. Des Moines School Board Chair Jackie Norris in a statement pursuant to the board approved DMPs leadership succession plan, Matt Smith Associates Superintendent will immediately step into the role. Our priorities to provide a safe and secure and outstanding education for all students. Blah, blah, blah. Oh boy. This guy who's been here for 26 years, got hired to work in our government. Government job. And then when he was approached by ice, he fled armed. This guy should be allowed to stay in our country. No way.

[Phil Labonte]

Send it back to South America.

[Christian Maxwell]

I think it also speaks to a lack of verification for people who actually win elections. Like, we don't do much vetting at all the people who win elections. We don't do mental health vetting, actual health vetting. Like there's not much being checked for these people who win these elections. Like, that's why you have a lot of people who are mentally unstable in Congress right now. Like why are we not checking more stuff? Like, even for me, like, I'm running in Congress for Congress, and I'm like, like, I was waiting for somebody to come in, like, you know, ask me questions and say, like, hey, here's this thing. You got to. No, there is nothing. Anybody can run for Congress.

[Ian Crossland]

What do you think they should ask or how do you think they should?

[Christian Maxwell]

I think that your mental health should be assessed. Like, but for my, like, for my husband, he's an officer, his mental health had to be assessed by multiple, at multiple stages of that because he's going to be trusted to have a weapon and to go, you know, apply the law. Like, for the Congress, they're writing legislation, you know, like, we need to know are you actually competent?

[Phil Labonte]

And why don't we know that Communist Control act, too. We should reinstate that.

[Ian Crossland]

What about if people have a medical marijuana card?

[Christian Maxwell]

You said if you have one.

[Ian Crossland]

If someone ran for office and won an election, but they have a medical.

[Christian Maxwell]

What do you have it for? I mean, mental health. What. Ask doctor. What?

[Ian Crossland]

The doctor actually asks you that question when you get the medical marijuana card. Why are you back pain?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, man. I mean, no, no, man.

[Ian Crossland]

It's stressful.

[Tim Pool]

Medical marijuana card is not to better my mental health, it's to worsen it.

[Christian Maxwell]

I mean, I, I'm not gonna speak on that one. I just want to know. People are like, you said, I don't want you. There's, there's some mental health concerns that probably don't make you viable to write legislation. And I. That's okay. I think that that's an okay thing to say.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, well, I brought up weed because, like, red flag laws. Things where they're like, hey, in the past, you did this thing.

[Tim Pool]

You, you, you know, wait, red flag laws.

[Ian Crossland]

Anything like you.

[Tim Pool]

Red flag laws is when they say, we've determined that you're a threat to yourself and others, so we've come to confiscate your weapons.

[Ian Crossland]

Right. So something similar, like, we've determined you are a threat to this or that so you can no longer run for office, kind of something like that.

[Tim Pool]

Where's that at?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that just the way if you're.

[Christian Maxwell]

Saying I'll be more so going for basic stuff like, you know, probably be a US Born citizen, I think that's a real simple benchmark. Be a US Born citizen, I think. Because right now, seeing Ilhan Omar literally go to bat for Somalia from our capital blows my mind. I think that you should be a US Born citizen to be in Congress.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this is, this is the heritage American argument that the left has called white supremacy.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

No, but when you actually talk to these guys, like Tucker Carlson was asked about. This is hilarious. He was in Australia and they said, the white supremacist, great replacement theory. And he's like, white people. And then they said, well, you've argued that white people are being replaced. And he was like, no, I didn't. He was like. I said that Americans are being replaced because the interests of black Americans are the same as the interests of white Americans and they're being replaced by immigrants.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

I also love when he was still on Fox and he says, he goes, black people. I don't have a problem with black people. I have a problem with white liberal women. It's like, just comes out and say it.

[Phil Labonte]

I gotta say, Christian, I fully believe.

[Ian Crossland]

With the hypothesis that you're stating that the popularity contest of voting and getting in office isn't good enough just so you can.

[Tim Pool]

Whoever's the most popular gets actually a money contest.

[Christian Maxwell]

It's not even about popularity because I'm more popular than Jonathan Jackson right now. I'm way more popular than Jonathan Jackson. He has more money than me, though.

[Ian Crossland]

What's he using it for?

[Christian Maxwell]

He's using it for Ubers.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean?

[Christian Maxwell]

His last financial report had like 15k in Ubers.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, so he's able to travel around.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah. Like most of his campaign money goes to Ubers and dinner.

[Tim Pool]

Are you allowed to make. I guess technically you could make a campaign commercial that seems to be like pro a candidate, but it's actually not. So it's like you have it. You like, you make an AI commercial and you do this. I think you do disclaimer. What's like this commercial's agent and then it's, it's. It's like he's. He's just like a villain with twirling his mustache being like, I'm going to destroy your lives.

[Christian Maxwell]

That would be awesome. I did one like that for Pritzker and I was like, you know what I love? I love going to my car and not knowing if it's going to be there in the morning.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, man, that kind of excitement, you can't get anywhere.

[Christian Maxwell]

And I love being paid and wondering how much of my check I'm going to be able to keep. Like, how much is Pritzker going to let me keep this week? Because I don't want to have enough to pay my bills. Like, I'm just, you know, and people like, we're cracking up and they're like, yeah, this is, like, actually how we're living. And it's like, yeah, this is how we live in.

[Ian Crossland]

I felt like the.

[Christian Maxwell]

The.

[Ian Crossland]

The rich people that you said, it's money can get you politics is that they use that money to buy popularity.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah. Or to make it appear. Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's. It's. It's hard to do, but possible. And it's very expensive. But that's basically politics commercial. Because any words, most people at the highest level of politics, if they actually had the charisma, they wouldn't need to get into politics to get a seat in office.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So then what ends up happening is the people who actually want to get in to do the right thing aren't the people that are trying to sell you snake oil oil.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yep. Who's running in Illinois right now? Like, literally, I cannot watch a single YouTube video without his ad coming out first.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Christian Maxwell]

Like, this man has to be dumping money. I can't. I can't avoid the ads. I can't. He has the first spot on every video, and he's like, yeah, you know, My name has 26. My last name has 26 letters. And if yours does too many. I was like, what?

[Phil Labonte]

Disqualified.

[Christian Maxwell]

Who approved this campaign?

[Ian Crossland]

I get along with Bernie Sanders when he says get money out of politics, although it's a little.

[Tim Pool]

What does that mean?

[Ian Crossland]

Hyperbolic. Exactly. Like, it's so undefined because me talking right now is worth twelve hundred dollars an hour. I mean, this amount of publicity, at least you can't.

[Tim Pool]

You can't do it because let's say there was a local race in town, and it was, you know, Ian versus this local pastor who's lived in the town for his whole life. Just by being on this show, no one's going to hear who that guy is, and he can't afford it. And you're not spending any money to be here because you would use the money. You're getting money to be here.

[Ian Crossland]

People would use the money to buy a seat on a show like this. So it's like, well, we don't get money out of politics, but you can still make a YouTube video and have a million subscribers.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I'll be honest. We don't allow people to pay to come on the show. But there are a lot of shows that do, and. Yeah, they are, but I'm not gonna call them out.

[Ian Crossland]

Sure, sure. Yeah. Booking agents should be.

[Christian Maxwell]

You need to bring back earned media. And that's one thing I think has really been great about my campaign. Is that all of the placements I've gotten have been earned. They've been earned because I was, you know, I said something that align for people. Like, I haven't paid for any of the, you know, spots that I've had, any of my accounts that have grown. It's been because people resonated with what I said. So I think that for a lot of these politicians, like, if you go look at all of Jonathan Jackson's pages, mine dwarf his, and it's because I'm relatable to the people in Congressional District 1, but also Illinois, like Illinoisans, understand my story. He hasn't, he hasn't had any real struggles that are relatable to Illinoisans. You know, the struggle of being a nepo, like, okay, that's tough, I guess, you know, living in your dad's shadow. But it's like he's just not a relatable leader for Illinois. And that's why he really does need to kind of relinquish the position and be voted out. Because Illinois is in dire need of true politicians who will actually do the work of writing relevant legislation.

[Ian Crossland]

This democratization of media narrative with Internet video is great for politics in a way, but at the same time, there's still the popularity contest where the most beautiful click button person will get without any substance. It's possible still. I don't know how to.

[Tim Pool]

Like you're saying, like, that's human nature.

[Christian Maxwell]

So you can't get human nature out of it though.

[Ian Crossland]

And beauty helps a politician when they're in office. Go do diplomacy overseas and things like that.

[Christian Maxwell]

But charisma is also important for a politician. So I think that, you know, trying to get rid of charisma is not really the goal. Because at the end of the end of the day, if you're trying to get legislation pushed through that helps your, your, your state, you do have to be able to implore people and get them on your side to actually vote for your bill. Right now, if you go look at a lot of legislators, like from your own state or wherever you all live, most of them are not getting any real legislation pushed through. They're literally writing like 50 bills and like, they're never even getting voted on. Like, go look at what the stage that most of these bills are stuck at. They're literally stuck at the beginning stage. Never even left, got put on the floor to talk about because there's no.

[Ian Crossland]

One to speak about the bill to the populace. There's no charismatic.

[Christian Maxwell]

Like, Congress isn't even talking about the bill. That's how bad it is. Like they'll write a bill and then Congress isn't even talking about it. It's getting thrown in the back like trash can.

[Phil Labonte]

That's what Congress wants though. They're not less, they have to do the happier they are. Because if you actually vote on something then you're going to be held to account by your, your constituents. If you don't do anything, then you can be like, well, you know, it was them darn Republicans. Yeah, well, you know, it's them darn Democrats. We couldn't do anything.

[Christian Maxwell]

It.

[Phil Labonte]

And it was the Democrats being obstructionists, the Republicans being obstructionists. So the, the incentive is to not do anything except for the very like, benign, simple things.

[Christian Maxwell]

You might not be wrong.

[Phil Labonte]

It's true, man. That's why, that's why, you see, that's why there's always an omnibus bill. That's why we always have such an issue.

[Christian Maxwell]

Rush work.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, and I mean, look, next, next week there's the issue with whether or not there's going to be a shutdown. Democrat are going to trying to blame Donald Trump and the Republicans are saying, well, you know, if the Republicans would, would just sit down and talk to us. Just sit down and talk to us. And the Republicans are like, we're not.

[Christian Maxwell]

Giving you health care and we're not.

[Phil Labonte]

Giving you health care for illegals. Just pass the, just pass a clean cr, which is a continuing resolution to pay for it. That's all they, that's all they're going to say is just pass a clean cr. Pass a clean cr. Just pass a clean CR without anything. We're not giving you any kind of funding for, for illegal health care because that's what they want on. And the, they're going to try and blame it on each other and be like, well, you know, it's their fault. Well, you know, it's their fault. And really at the end of the day they're happy if, if they don't have to put their name on anything. So.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I guess, I guess somehow defying the popularity contest of politics, I, I'm, I am concerned with people developing reasons why you can't do it if you're an American citizen. Like a stupidity test is like, you know, it's been 200 years that we haven't allowed.

[Christian Maxwell]

It has to be, I don't know. I'm not before that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, universal suffrage. I'm not a big fan of who.

[Ian Crossland]

Gets to write these stupidity tests. That's the problem.

[Tim Pool]

That's. That's fair. And those old tests they would do were like, trick questions. But I believe there should be some kind of barrier. For voting?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, for voting. That's different than running. Okay. For voting.

[Christian Maxwell]

You know, I don't know. I saw all the tests my husband had to go through, and that was a lot of evaluations. Just, you know, to be an officer, I'm like, if you go on to Capitol Hill, like. Like, they need to check these people. Like, I don't think this should be.

[Tim Pool]

Could you imagine if, like, AOC was unable to get there? Like, she. She won the election, but then they were like, you failed the test.

[Christian Maxwell]

Don't even let them run, though. I mean, like, don't even waste the time on running because then people lost their candidate. Like, you know, if you. I don't know. Like, I think that it's a huge privilege to be able to go and represent a whole district. It's 770,000 people in my district. If I can't even comprehend their concerns. How could I ever represent 770,000 people if I can't comprehend what their concerns are? And then what are the tools I can use to f their concerns?

[Tim Pool]

Well, how does Jasmine Crockett do it?

[Christian Maxwell]

She's not doing it. She hasn't passed any legislation.

[Tim Pool]

That's the point.

[Christian Maxwell]

She hasn't had a single piece go through.

[Tim Pool]

She can't comprehend what her constituents are.

[Christian Maxwell]

No. And she doesn't even like her constituents. She said multiple times that she doesn't think Texas should lead anything. She hates Texas.

[Phil Labonte]

Where's she from?

[Christian Maxwell]

From St. Louis. She's not from Texas.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

How long has she lived in Texas?

[Phil Labonte]

Just long enough.

[Christian Maxwell]

Right before. Yeah, she.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, you. I think you should have to live in your state for at least five years before you run for. For state office.

[Christian Maxwell]

I'm not opposed to that.

[Ian Crossland]

At least five years.

[Christian Maxwell]

I mean, because I mean, like. Like, for me, I'm like, I wouldn't. I actually wouldn't have met the five years because I was in Texas for four years. But I'm born and raised in Illinois. I've lived my entire life. I'm 35 in Illinois with the exception of four years. So it's like, I understand what's happening in southern Illinois, which is why I get what's happening in the southern portion of my district. Because the Will county and Kankakee county area is just like where I grew up. You know, it's rural, it's slower pace. You know, it's a lot of fun is farming and it's just, it's working class people who just need for life to be a little bit more predictable because their income is predictable. They get the same check every two weeks. They can't afford for prices to just be skyrocketing. And then you have the city life. So it's like I, I think it. Yeah, you should have to live in your state and really get it.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe it could be that you have to live in a state for eight years and four of those years have to be consecutive. Up current, current and consecutive.

[Christian Maxwell]

Not opposed to that.

[Tim Pool]

How about you can't fundraise from outside your district where you're running thing?

[Christian Maxwell]

I think that would disproportionately impact districts where it's a little bit more poor. So like right now think about central Illinois. Like if, like those people would probably struggle if they couldn't.

[Tim Pool]

But that means the candidates that are running on those areas.

[Christian Maxwell]

That's true.

[Tim Pool]

Are even AOC would not be in office.

[Christian Maxwell]

Actually. There's merit to that, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So we've had a discussion before because the squad famously like 99 of the money they raised for the candidacy came from outside of their district. So what ends up happening is this, this AOC does not represent her district. So then how is it that she wins? She represents commies all over the country. Let's say you've got 100 cities. 99 of each of these cities is normal American. But each city has one commie. If you try to run to represent one of these cities, you can't win. You go knock on door, say, I'm a commie, give me money. They say no. So what do you do? You go online and you tell all of the cities of the country, I'm a commie, you're a commie, give me your money and I'll win. Here they do. All of a sudden, where you live, you now have more money than anyone else in your town. Despite the fact none of them like your, your politics. You use that money to run ads. These people don't know really what's going on. So they vote for you because they don't. Because you have money. And then you. That. That's literally AOC story.

[Christian Maxwell]

It is.

[Tim Pool]

She does not represent her district. She got tons of money from outside her district. So did Ilhan Omar. To be fair, she does represent the Somali community.

[Christian Maxwell]

She does.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Christian Maxwell]

She's their candidate. It right. Omar is a representative of her district. But like right now, the person who's running against Jasmine Crockett, Sheldon Daniels, he's actually born and raised in that area, like, he understands the plight of, you know, TX30. And it's like, those are candidates you should be seeking out. But it makes it so hard for the average citizen to go seek out a real candidate. Because like, states like Illinois, they're gonna literally fight you tooth and nail, you know, on making, on making these things happen. And then in my state also, there's a really, a real big lack of grassroots movement. Like right now we need people to come and knock doors. But a lot of Illinoisans, like, they're, I understand they're busier than ever. You know, their time is short. And then right now they're probably uncomfortable because of what happened to Charlie Kirk. The idea of going and knocking doors doesn't feel comfortable, especially in a district like my district.

[Ian Crossland]

When is your election?

[Christian Maxwell]

The first election is primaries, and that's March 17th. And then you have the actual election, which is November 3rd. But right now, it's kind of like the pre election is getting somebody on the ballot. And I think that we need more Americans who understand how you even get to an election. You have to actually sign petitions. Like, I need 547 petitions signed. They're real paper. Because people keep asking me for a link. I'm like, no, guys, it's not a link. I'd be done with this if this was a link. You know, you have to sign a real paper in person and it has to be notarized.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man, you, you, you got Soldier Field, don't you?

[Christian Maxwell]

I think. I don't think so. I might have that. You know, it's, it's. I have a strip. I have a strip in Chicago. So the strip is real thing. You got to pull up the congressional map app.

[Tim Pool]

I looked it up. It looks like it might be. Let's just double check.

[Christian Maxwell]

Might be, but I missed that. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Nope, nope, nope. It's in the seventh. You just missed it.

[Christian Maxwell]

So I'm like, yeah, the way they gerrymander my district, like, I'll think that I have something. I'm like, oh, it's literally on the border and it's right outside. But yeah, we need for a lot of people to really understand the whole process.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it is. Yep. It just missed it.

[Ian Crossland]

How do you get people to sign the petition that's notorized?

[Christian Maxwell]

So they have to come to either a petition drive. They can print it at their own home and then. Or sign it at their own home and then I have to come get it from them. But it is a. It's A physical paper. And that part is pretty hard.

[Tim Pool]

You know, gerrymandering is so insane.

[Christian Maxwell]

It's a mess.

[Tim Pool]

Illinois is one of the worst gerrymandered states.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah. My district is. They literally carved out as many Republican parts from my district as possible. They took out Mount Greenwood, a lot of those areas where.

[Tim Pool]

Let me pull, let me, let me pull it and take a look at it. Look at this.

[Christian Maxwell]

Look at how they carved out that big chunk.

[Tim Pool]

And so the thing is, when you see this strip in Chicago, it. What's actually fascinating is we're talking about literally like, like four blocks right here.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy.

[Christian Maxwell]

It's so skinny right there.

[Tim Pool]

Wild.

[Christian Maxwell]

They b. They designed that district for a black candidate to keep it.

[Tim Pool]

Woodlawn.

[Ian Crossland]

That's free. I don't know how the right words.

[Tim Pool]

That's.

[Ian Crossland]

That's like a really.

[Phil Labonte]

Illinois gets worse.

[Ian Crossland]

Sharing.

[Tim Pool]

The, the. The Illinois congressional map is something to behold.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Let me pull this up. And this is absolutely incredible. When you look at this thing, it.

[Christian Maxwell]

Looks like something my 2 year old would draw.

[Tim Pool]

So take a look. Take a Look at 13. 13 is intentionally. Look. Look at 15, how it wraps around it. It's so they could get champagne and Springfield and East St. Louis in one district, which clusters all the Democrats together to give them federal representation. It's insane. Look at 15.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean that's, that's like, like control R. Refresh.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah. Think about the people in 12. Like, how are they ever going to have any access? I was reading through the Constitution and I'm like, I feel like this is not constitutional because the people in 12 have little to no access to their representative. How is a representative ever going to cover that much ground? You don't have access to your representative. And that's a really key part of having a representative is being able to actually get to them into their offices and be able to make your.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's because by population. And so Southern Illinois doesn't have that many people. I think largely the issue is when you take a look at 13 Democrats, terrible. They're cheating. And when Pritzker was challenged on it, he deflected with a joke and said, we gave it to kindergartners to do. Everyone laughs. And then it doesn't answer the question. So he's got the nerve to attack Texas over. Over their redistricting. But Democrat states are substantially worse. Like two to one.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah. If you pull up an old map, it looks so like. Yeah, I forgot how far you got to go back, but it used to look more Sensible. And I'm like, this is. This is terrible.

[Ian Crossland]

You can tell that they. They have to keep the district connected so they can't break it into two parts and say it's the same one district, but they're just abusing that rule.

[Christian Maxwell]

Oh, yeah. No people. It's so hard for me to tell people who, like, who lives in my district, and they're like, well, I live in. I live in Orland. I'm like, well, you might not live in the part that I have.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this. Look at this. 1833 to 1843.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Then we can. Then you get. Look at that. Population exploded.

[Christian Maxwell]

I have, like. The fact that I have three counties in my district makes no sense.

[Tim Pool]

Look how they used to do it.

[Ian Crossland]

That's still reasonable.

[Tim Pool]

It is.

[Christian Maxwell]

That's reasonable. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Even this.

[Christian Maxwell]

That's not bad.

[Tim Pool]

It's. You know, let's see. It starts getting weird that. Wow. They had a lot.

[Ian Crossland]

Still looking good. That's cool.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's. It's still like. You're like, okay, it's kind of weird what they're doing right there, but it's.

[Ian Crossland]

A little strange down there.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but it's like. It's, you know, and then it starts getting weird.

[Ian Crossland]

Now we've got some weird on the right.

[Tim Pool]

What was that? Yeah, look, here's the power struggle. Wait, where's the Civil War?

[Christian Maxwell]

War.

[Tim Pool]

Let's go back to the Civil War. So I guess it would be actually these two maps. So this is into the start of Civil War. It's not bad. They changed it right in the middle of the Civil War. So. Okay. I was actually. I actually think that they'd go nuts with it. This is actually not that bad. Yeah, that's 1800s. They had a lot. A lot more districts, huh?

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah, they had 20.

[Tim Pool]

When does it get real bad? Okay, now it's starting to get bad.

[Christian Maxwell]

Look at Chicago.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that's the 60s.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this.

[Ian Crossland]

After the liberal economic order got involved.

[Christian Maxwell]

Concentrating all those districts up there is like, insane.

[Tim Pool]

But you know, you know what really irks me about the. The Republican Party needs to get their. Their ish together.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, that's it. That's the year broke 2000. After. After 9, 11, obviously, this is when everything just started to go.

[Tim Pool]

One of the big problems I see with the Republican Party. I mean, the. You know what? Just. Just like, to be fair, Democrats and Republicans, both parties do this. The Republican Party looks at Chicago and says, what's the point of trying to convince people? Because the Democrats have such a Big lead. And it's like, don't even fight it. That's where you want to be. You want to strike your message in the heart of their stronghold and force them to retreat back and try and maintain what they presume to be a stronghold instead of trying to win. Like these swing districts, which are always amorphous office, send them for a loop. Dump a couple million bucks in this district, have them caught off guard when they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, why are we down 10 points? This is insane. This is a D plus district. Not anymore it's not.

[Christian Maxwell]

No, I agree. There's an org in Texas. I was asking Chad GPT, I was like, you know who's had really great, great ground game in, like, the last, like, decade? There's an organization just for Texas called Battleground Texas. And their whole mission is to make Texas a battleground state. They know that Texas is a Republican state, but their goal is to slowly erode it and to turn it into a battleground state.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think, think ground game.

[Christian Maxwell]

They're, like, on the ground, like, recruiting people to do, like, events and all types of things to start to really disseminate this whole, you know, Democratic, just like, the mindset, like, people by person, by person.

[Tim Pool]

So the black population historically, or I should say in recent history, votes Democrat very heavy. Do you think the issue of immigration is going to change the minds of these people to maybe vote Republican?

[Christian Maxwell]

I think that it's something that opens their ears. It gets the conversation started because when they see that Democrats are literally rolling out the red carpet for people who are literally not American citizens and they're getting health care, schooling, all types of things, it's like, well, why haven't you helped Vlad people? Yeah, because that's what everybody says when they run. And it's like, well, you. You could have been did it if you wanted to, clearly. So I think that it allows people to start to be like, well, let me just talk about it, because there's a conversation I got started recently about the Barack Obama presidential center, which is causing displacement in my district. So he's not paying any property taxes on his presidential center because he built it on parkland in. So this master center will not add any property tax to the city of Chicago, but already let, like, historical biz or property owners in the district are seeing their property taxes literally double and triple. And people who have owned buildings that they wanted their kids to live in are starting to lose their buildings because of this presidential center. They're supposed to add to the community and it's like, well, think about it, guys. Is it really going to add jobs to people who already live there or is it going to import a whole new working class us from all over the country and even other countries? It's a research center.

[Tim Pool]

If you, if you go and campaign your district, let's say you'd like a debate or town hall, and you say, hey, the Democrats are famously giving hotels to illegal immigrants and free health care. I'll give it to you instead. Is the Democrat really going to be like, nah, you can't have it. Illegal immigrants get it. Or are they going to be forced to come off their purchase and be like, okay, you're right, we shouldn't do that.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah, I don't know. I really don't know. And it's like, I really do hope it's the wake up call for a lot of or even the independent voters. It's like, hey, you gotta really, you gotta look at something different. I've actually had some independent voters sign my petitions because at this point they really, it is a wake up call for them. The crime thing coming to their doorsteps is also a big wake up call right now because it's coming to places it's never come to before.

[Ian Crossland]

When they get your petition, do they download it from a website?

[Christian Maxwell]

I actually met these people in person, so I went and just walked around. Like, I'm willing to go walk around and like get my petition signed. It's not the safest thing, but like, I'm willing to do it myself. Tomorrow I'm actually going back to do a walk in.

[Ian Crossland]

Homer Glenn, can people download your petition, get it notarized and bring it to you or contact us?

[Christian Maxwell]

They can't get it notarized. They need to bring it to me and then I can. Getting notorized.

[Ian Crossland]

That's good. Do you play the race card a lot or do you just eyeball out because you seem like just an intelligent person. I don't. And like, do you go like black people, white people, or do you just talk to people?

[Christian Maxwell]

I just talk. I really just talk based on what is what feels common sense to me. I. That's all I do. I just talk about what's common. I ask questions that are on my mind and I give takes based on what I see. When I see crazy stuff happening.

[Tim Pool]

See, that's the Republican thing.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah. We just talk because these are real. I think, I think that that's why our movement is much more genuine and much more aligned with the average American.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Christian Maxwell]

Is because these are kitchen Table conversations, all really having in real life. Like, Democrats posture so much and come up with these fake, you know, story lines like Kilmar being a Maryland man. It's like, he's not, you know, like, this stuff isn't real.

[Tim Pool]

Have you seen this story? We love citing this story.

[Christian Maxwell]

Less competent interactions with.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, white liberals present themselves as less competent in interactions with African Americans. Conservatives don't do that. No, conservatives talk to everybody the same way liberals try to put. But, like, have you ever seen the Ami Horowitz voter ID video? One of the most legendary ministry videos ever done. He goes to Berkeley and he asks these young white liberals, he's like, I've heard, you know, voter ID is racist. Do you think it's racist? And they're like, yes, it is. And it's like, why do you think voter ID is racist? And these, these white libs say things like, black people don't know where the DMV is. They don't have the Internet. And then he goes to Harlem in New York, and then he's like, like, do you think voter ID is racist? And he asks black people, and they're like, no. And he's like, do you have an id? And they're like, yeah. He asked this young black guy, and he's like, do you have an id? And he goes, yeah. And he was like, do you know how to use the Internet? And he goes, even little kid knows how to use. Use the Internet. But my favorite interaction is when he goes to this older black guy and he's like, excuse me, I have a strange question for you. Do you know where the DMV is? And he goes, yeah, if you go up to 25th, you want to make a left. Like, he was asking for directions because the idea is so absurd that people who literally have jobs and live and pay rent don't know how to do the basic. This is what liberals do.

[Ian Crossland]

It's got to be. The identity pox has got to be injected by some foreign thing in the.

[Christian Maxwell]

Early 2010s, because they're not actually talking to black people. They don't actually know black people. This is why they're. They're having dialogue about black people, and they're coming up with what they think black people do. And it's like, that's not us. It's. Well, I'm not gonna speak for all, but, like, they don't actually know real black people in real life. And that's why they have these, like, these conjured up. Up conceptions about what we can and can't do because they're not talking to us.

[Tim Pool]

The ID thing really is crazy. It's mind blowing because, like, everybody as a teenager goes to get their id.

[Christian Maxwell]

And they also said about married women, they were like, oh, my God, these. These dumb married women, their. Their husbands, they don't even know where their marriage license is. How are they ever. Their name is different. They're not gonna know. I'm like, I literally have to go get documents and things for my kids all the time. I. I know how to prove my identity. Really good at it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but, you know, women don't know how to file paperwork. Yeah, right. People will say, like, you know, I'm sorry, what they. With all of this is that straight, white Christian men are the. Are superior.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like, that's the world they live in.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they'll say that.

[Christian Maxwell]

And you imprison women.

[Ian Crossland]

There's like a rhetoric where they go, black people are responsible for 30%, whatever the number is, of the crimes. Therefore, if you are a black person, you are 30 times more likely to know. In the past, that happened. So that stat is there. But there's a solution. I think it's. Don't throw money at people. People need nutrition, because then your kids have healthier brain mass matter. And people that are, like, descendant of slavery, that came out of that system, that didn't have education and nutrition, they had babies that didn't have the brain capacity. No, I'm not saying everybody, but. And then. So if you can help, like, legitimize the nutrition quality for people, I think that their. Their children's brains are much healthier, and they're so much.

[Tim Pool]

So much wrong with what you're saying.

[Ian Crossland]

The more creative.

[Christian Maxwell]

If you think. Look at Chicago right now, they actually teach these kids in, like, elementary school that, like, white people are suppressing them. So when you have a child who's literally, literally bred to think in school that white people are suppressing them, and there is nothing you can do to overcome that, that child grows up to think that white people are the enemy. And then in Chicago, Chicago, segregated. He can speak to this. Everybody lives in their own neighborhoods. So then black people also aren't having regular encounters with white people. So they just know what they were.

[Tim Pool]

Taught in school another way around. And then what ends up happening in these neighborhoods in Chicago is if someone from the one race is in the other neighborhood, everybody's like, why?

[Christian Maxwell]

What are you doing?

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not even talking about. I'm talking about poverty. To get people out of poverty, you got to help them with nutrition because.

[Christian Maxwell]

You don't get people out of poverty. People get themselves out of poverty.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

People.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah. You get.

[Ian Crossland]

They thought if you threw money at them, they'd whatever. But if they cheese literal nutrition over generations.

[Tim Pool]

We got it. We got to get this story and it's going to cut into super chips, but we got to get it. This from Fox News. Trump admin official physically assaulted at UNGA by deranged leftist. The individual was charged with assault, attempted assault, aggravated harassment and more. This is, this is crazy. Crazy. A Trump admin official was physically assaulted by a deranged leftist inside the UN Thursday afternoon during the gathering of the UN General Assembly. Fox News has learned an official working in international relations for DH for HHS serving in New York as a support role for RFK Jr. Quote, an HHS official was followed into a bathroom, recorded and physically assaulted and verbally accosted by a deranged leftist at the U. N. Who somehow entered the venue past multiple layers of security. White House deputy press secretary Anna Kelly told Fox News. Thankfully the official is safe and the lunatic was arrested. But this is part of a disturbing and dangerous set of failures by the UN after their sabotage of President Trump ahead of and during his speech. Kelly told Fox News Digital that the US Secret Service will investigate how this violent protester was admitted into a major into a major national security event. A source familiar told Fox News that the individual has been charged with assault, aggravated harassment, attempted assault and criminal possession of a weapon. Holy crap.

[Christian Maxwell]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Individual was released from custody at 7:30. Oh, of course. Friday night and expected in court November 13th.

[Christian Maxwell]

We got to stop.

[Tim Pool]

It's getting crazy to come back.

[Phil Labonte]

Kick him out. Kick the UN Out. Get him out of New York. Let him go somewhere else.

[Tim Pool]

I'm on a garbage barge.

[Phil Labonte]

There you go.

[Ian Crossland]

After you and walked out on Netanyahu do during his speech. Just a little tangent.

[Phil Labonte]

Send them all out. Get them out.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah, the UK actually, I don't know if people even know about it, but people are so mad about, you know, alligator. What is it?

[Tim Pool]

Alligator.

[Phil Labonte]

Alligator access.

[Christian Maxwell]

I'm like if you literally look it up. The UK actually had their migrants on a ship. Offshore ship. They had them on an offshore ship. And like they didn't make a big scene about it at all. But the issue is that when they were they didn't want to keep releasing people back onto UK soil to then say, oh, I'm going to be honorable and come back if you don't, you know, give me actually access to the country. Country. So they they were like, exploring if they should put him on a ship. And I'm like, this is. We're not the only country who wants to keep track of people who have not been granted full access to America. It's a normal thing to be like, hey, you got to be in a holding status until you're.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm. I'm sorry, I mustn't. I think you misunderstood me. I'm not talking about illegal aliens and stuff. I'm talking about the whole UN get it out of New York. The whole UN get the U. Boot the U. N. Out of the U. S. The U. S. Stop giving the u. N. Money, money. Boot them out of New York City. Tear all those buildings down. Put up housing, Put up something and put them all in there. I don't care. Make another Trump Tower. Get them out of here. We don't need the UN in the United States. They're completely. They are. Their goals are in opposition to what the United States goals should be. We are America first now. We are not UN First. Get them out. Beat it.

[Tim Pool]

You got to go.

[Christian Maxwell]

You get it.

[Tim Pool]

Can we, can we? Like, how insane is it? I. I grew up in Chicago. I was always liberal. And then what ends up happening is the Democrats are like, hey, we're going to give free health care to non citizens. We're going to let non citizens vote. We're going to give them hotels with PlayStations in them. And I'm sitting there being like, but what about the people who live here? And they're like, that's far right now. That is far right now.

[Ian Crossland]

And I'm like, socialism.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know what needs to happen. But I was, I was mentioning to Christian earlier that I was talking to my wife about who the guest was like, oh, the guest. And I, she, she's. She's a Republican running in Chicago. My wife, who's from Chicago and also like liberal, she's like, oh, thank God.

[Christian Maxwell]

Isn't that the tournament?

[Tim Pool]

I'm like, we're. We both. Me and. My wife and I both grew up in Chicago, listen to punk rock music. Rather, rather liberal, kind of like, you know, we had that anarcho punk rock phase, and now here we are as adults being like, Chicago needs to get away from the Democratic Party.

[Christian Maxwell]

Well, here's the thing. I think that for a lot of people, you are only as free as. In order for freedom to exist, you have to have something type of structure around that allows for you to be free. Like when you think about people who want to just live their life it's really hard to live your life when your stuff's getting stolen. You can't really live your life when your kids aren't safe at school.

[Phil Labonte]

Amen.

[Christian Maxwell]

I would know. It's. It's. You know, you should. You got to have infrastructure in order to even be free and to be liberal. Like, you got to have infrastructure.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I was trying.

[Ian Crossland]

Doesn't work at the global scale because they don't account for outside the borders.

[Tim Pool]

Really? Yeah, I. I was trying to find property in Chicago back when I was like in my early 20s with some friends. And we wanted to. We wanted to do business stuff, play music, and we were looking for property we can afford. And it was like every time we found a building that was. Was nice enough to actually work and live in bars on the. On the doors and like, that's why.

[Christian Maxwell]

I don't have a district office, you'd.

[Tim Pool]

Get the warnings of like, we'll make sure that you know everything. The lights are all off and you're locked up. You may want someone to be here overnight. And I'm like, I don't think I want to be here.

[Christian Maxwell]

No.

[Phil Labonte]

In libertarians. Libertarianism doesn't work because libertarians are gay.

[Ian Crossland]

Is that G H E Y?

[Phil Labonte]

No. G A Y.

[Tim Pool]

No. Like, yeah. The Libertarian Party is overwhelmingly.

[Ian Crossland]

They're all live and let live. But you need, you know, you need struck like Christian. You were saying you need an outside fence around your live and let live energy, which is our military pointing the guns outward to defend our borders.

[Phil Labonte]

No, they don't. Hard. That's like, there's a. There's too many libertarians that don't even want boys.

[Tim Pool]

Borders. Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

There are too many libertarians that say no. There should be freedom of movement. People should be able to be free to move. Well, then that's internationally.

[Christian Maxwell]

I think people don't know the definitions of a lot of these titles that they've given themselves anymore.

[Tim Pool]

There are.

[Christian Maxwell]

And that's getting real weird.

[Phil Labonte]

There are a lot of leftists in the Libertarian Party.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

That have in. In my opinion, infiltrated the Libertarian Party and taken. And basically bastardized it.

[Ian Crossland]

I think structure and order people take for granted because we've lived in a structured and ordered society for so long.

[Christian Maxwell]

We need.

[Ian Crossland]

It's so important. I was thinking the other night, I live in the woods and looking into the dark woods, thinking, if this was 6,000 years ago and it was raining, I was crawling through the woods to survive and I found a walled village and they were like, you can come in and it's like, but you have to drink this blood and kill this child. I'd be like, I'd have to make that decision. It's like, do I want to live in the woods and die or would I accept the horror to have order and order, order is so much more important when you're dying and you're desperate. Like the things people are willing to do to regain order, to get order when they don't have it. That's why we can't let it fall. And it's important to protect our borders.

[Phil Labonte]

Would you like to come back Monday?

[Ian Crossland]

Cities.

[Christian Maxwell]

Well, but then on a real note, this is why leftists are going and getting.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, he was being serious.

[Christian Maxwell]

Arming themselves. Cuz they're trying to go get order for what they want. And they've been, they've been overwhelmingly starting to arm themselves. Why? You see like their, there's like pages for like, you know, gay leftists. Like they love second Amendment rights cuz it serves their.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we'll throw this in. We don't have enough time to do, you know, all of it. But there's this, this poster right here.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, fascist, catch. The John Brown club is recruiting on college campuses by saying kill conservatives.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

The second amendment is not instructing you to go do stuff. No, it's allow. It's giving you acknowledging your right to defend yourself. That's what that means. Defense. Defense is not offense. Although sometimes people say the best defense is a good offense. Not really, not legally. Well, it is the right.

[Tim Pool]

The liberal economic order was like, let's go blow people up.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's build NATO surround Russia with defensive turrets pointing at Russia. Russia.

[Phil Labonte]

It is the right of the people to alter or abolish. It is a part of the Declaration of Independence. So yes, it is. It is prescriptively defensive. But it is also intended to allow people to use force to change the government. If the government has become destructive of the. What makes the populace happy. That's in the, in the, in the Declaration.

[Ian Crossland]

You can't make everybody in the Declaration some of the time, but not all.

[Phil Labonte]

Of them in the Declaration. Listen, I named, I named a song Some of the People all the time because of that exact phrase. So I know what you're talking about. But in the Declaration of Independence it says whenever any government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it. And that is the point of the Second Amendment.

[Ian Crossland]

So that people do they feel like the government has become destructive of that. With ice. With the ice Raids.

[Phil Labonte]

There are people that think so they're wrong because we have law, because they have representation and the. They have. We have laws and we have borders. So the people that are. That feel like they, they are, they are, they. The ICE is out of line are wrong and they're throwing a temper tantrum. They're not correct. And if they have a problem, they do have representatives that they can petition and they have redress of grievance. And obviously they are still allowed to protest outside of ICE facilities, cities. So it's not time for. For violence at all. It's not even close to time for violence. The people that are engaging in violence are wrong and they should be wrapped up and put in jail. Because I like America the way that it generally is.

[Tim Pool]

Well, right now I'm pretty concerned about the way America is, but I do understand your point. We like, we like the way America.

[Christian Maxwell]

Is designed to be.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah. And, and, and the, you know, know, from the foundation of this country, there were a lot of really bad things. And the people have abolished those bad things and moved towards good things. And now we have this sect of woke left which wants to bring back the bad things.

[Christian Maxwell]

They want to harp on it.

[Tim Pool]

So heavy, like segregation, for instance, is a huge component of wokeness where they do these segregated graduations. They. I don't know if you saw in, like in, in Seattle, they had POC library meeting and non poc. So it's like, like, it's just. I don't want to live that way, man. No, like, I can't live that way.

[Ian Crossland]

My, my big obsession is how the Constitution got pinholed. I think Tim, you refer to as Swiss cheese a couple times. It's like pinholes in the first amendment and the fourth Amendment. I was gonna throw my middle fingers.

[Phil Labonte]

All of the amendments.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, okay, okay, I'm sorry.

[Ian Crossland]

I rescind.

[Tim Pool]

All amendments have been mercilessly beaten except the first and the fourth.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, the first with corporatization and Internet. Now Apple or not Apple, but Google's parent company, Alphabet, can turn off your. I kind of think this is the commons. So many people use it and have access to it. The Internet, social media.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that, that, that's the thing. You have to. You have a personal opinion about the. The modern Internet as it being the commons. The fact of the matter is you don't have to use any of that stuff. You don't have to.

[Tim Pool]

My favorite amendment is the seventh.

[Ian Crossland]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

It's the. You know what it is? No, it's the one that says you have a right to civil. Civil trial for things for Items of value 20 or more. Because back then they were basically saying like, when will the public hold a trial over private matters? 20 bucks back then I think was like 250. So they're like at least 250 bucks now. It's literally a cheeseburger. And you can go court because. Because of inflation. But there was no Federal Reserve back then, so 20 bucks was different.

[Ian Crossland]

Welcome to change that to 250.

[Tim Pool]

No, well, you got to amend the Constitution.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, we don't need an amendment for that. No, we're good.

[Tim Pool]

I think my, my, my favorite is. So first, the 10th Amendment doesn't exist anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

Which one's that? Tell me.

[Tim Pool]

That's the, the, the right of the states is retained by the states. So power is not given to the federal government. Belong to the states. But this is actually an interesting question because the way the Constitution was supposed to work was that it pertained only to the federal government and the state's constitution pertained to the states. But after the Civil War, when we became a unified nation, the federal constitution effectively was overriding everything. And so that the 10th is gone. And so the issue is like the second amendment wasn't supposed to be this thing where no matter where you were in the country, you could have a gun. It was, the federal government can't take your guns. But if Illinois decided they could, Illinois could. We've changed that now and we've, we've. Basically the whole country is under the federal constitution.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So I take a look at the Bill of Rights and the first and the fourth are probably the most protected.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, the fourth is every text and email you send is being recorded. It's being stolen and sent to a central database of a private company. That is blatant violation.

[Tim Pool]

And the rest of them are worse. The rest of them are worse. We do got to grab rumble rock rants and chats because I know we went a little long. So smash the like button. Share the show subscribe to this channel we got Prin Prince Prinzy Russian oil crisis. Russian media has been reporting gas shortages due to Ukrainian drone attacks on refineries. What does this mean for the war in Ukraine? Could this topple Putin's reign? One could hope. It's funny to me that people are like, they make, they try to make the claim that Russia is somehow like the last bastion or of, you know, know, anti woke or whatever. And I'm like, he's, he's, he's an autocrat. I don't Know, like he's been, he's, he's, he's used, he's juggled power in his country. He's not a good guy. He invades other countries. You don't got to pretend that he's a good guy because you don't like what, what Europe is doing. Yeah, I like Trump, not Putin.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah, yeah. Very clear distinction.

[Ian Crossland]

I like what they talk.

[Tim Pool]

I like when war stops.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so I'm like, wow, if, if the strikes and if Ukraine wins this, then I'll be like, okay, whatever, just stop. You know what I mean? Like, all right, Chanich Wilder says, if these people want to riot, then I'm fine with bringing the National Guard into every one of these cities to curtail things. It sucks. But as Ben Franklin said, are public if you can, keep it.

[Ian Crossland]

But he also said those that would give up their freedom for a little bit of security deserve neither freedom nor security.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed he did not.

[Phil Labonte]

It's not about security.

[Tim Pool]

That's a misquote.

[Christian Maxwell]

I think the National Guard should only be put into play when states are literally saying, we're not going to protect you. So like with Brandon Johnson, him saying it's not about policing, it's about affordable housing. He's declining to protect people who are being raped and robbed. Robbed. So with that being the case, it's like, you can't just let people be raped and robbed. So he's, it's actually literally within the confines of bringing in the National Guard because the people are not being guarded on US soil.

[Tim Pool]

I am being pedantician. I am being pedantic.

[Ian Crossland]

I missed a word or something.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, temporary.

[Ian Crossland]

They would, they would give up temporary.

[Tim Pool]

So he says, essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety. Deserve neither liberty nor safety. The reason why that's important is because we are not talking about temporary safety. The argument he made is apt. It's if you are concerned about a one off incident, like you know that an enemy is coming from overseas, so you give up all your freedoms for that one thing, that's stupid. But if we're talking about an a war that is going to be enduring for some time and we are saying that we have to engage in wartime affairs, you'd be a. Not to do it.

[Ian Crossland]

Just picture him sitting in that chair, man, fifth chair with us right now.

[Tim Pool]

Say, yeah, I imagine you were.

[Christian Maxwell]

That's fun.

[Tim Pool]

Love it, love it. But the general idea is I don't want masked individuals marching through cities. Cops, you don't know who they are. However, I also don't want far Left people doing the exact same thing. I got to make a choice. Antifa with masks on, firebombing things and threatening to murder me. Cops and masks walking around the street not saying anything to me. I'll take the cops and masks.

[Christian Maxwell]

Masks. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

I don't want either. I don't want either. But that's the issue with Ben Franklin and the importance of saying temporary. If the issue was tomorrow there will be a major storm and you say, I will give up all my liberties for this, like, well, that's dumb. But if we said we are about to enter a period of warfare for which we don't see an end or better yet, a zombie apocalypse occurs and they say we are going to build a perimeter around our building, no one can leave. And you go, I'm not giving up my freedom for a little security. Then get out. Then you're dead. So there's a limit and a challenge. And I think people often misunderstand the full context of what he's trying to say.

[Ian Crossland]

There are also false dichotomies that if there's a threat of one sort that we need to create another threat to destroy it or stop it. There could be another way. And that's just with the antifa. The ice and then there may be.

[Tim Pool]

You know, here's the funny thing. The context was actually extremely specific. And it was about. About the governor of the on the Penn family's orders vetoing attacks on the Penn family lands to front fund frontier defense. Franklin argued that the pens in prioritizing their financial assets temporary safety over the common defense essential liberty deserved neither. It's actually an inversion. He was arguing that they were refusing to help fund the war effort and be involved and they were giving up their. They were sacrificing liberty for their temporary safety.

[Ian Crossland]

Federalists do. Ben Franken was the ultimate subvert murder. I love that guy.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Patriot palace is. I'm surprised Phil didn't say that's right. The left lane is for crime. When Christian says she stays out of the left lane, it's definitely.

[Christian Maxwell]

It's the crime lane.

[Phil Labonte]

I missed it, to be honest with you.

[Christian Maxwell]

It's for sure the crime lane.

[Ian Crossland]

Especially in Chicago.

[Phil Labonte]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Omega Retestu says Tim. Screw you. Taxation is theft. And prior to taxes, we had cobblestone roads which were more expensive and it's not justified. I'm willing to debate you on the immoral demerits of taxation. My point is that right now in our country we may be upset with the structure of the law. And it is the duty of a culture and people to change that. And the idea that we would just say you can decide for yourself what rule to follow and not. I disagree with. That's what the left has been doing this whole time. However, that being said, I certainly agree with you that there is a limit to which just because it's legal doesn't mean it should be allowed and we'd have to do something about it. The challenge for any and all people is when those moral lines are fractured between the body politics politic, where we have the left now saying your constitutional republic is evil and must be destroyed. And we are saying our constitutional republic is good and must be preserved. They are arguing we have become tyrannical and must be destroyed. I am arguing they are an invasive force that is seeking to subvert our country. And so it will always come down to who thinks they're right and who has the power to maintain their system. In this case, I don't like taxes. I don't agree with the idea that people should be imprisoned because they didn't pay it. Usually it's just you get a bill in the mail. That, that was the point. Hey, look, man, here's your bill. Here are the rules we agree to and then we should, we should change those. I think one of the challenges we have is that the entrenched government doesn't allow for these systems to change. Once people get into office, they look at the tax income and they go, oh, we really need that.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And who wants to give up free money they can take from other people by force?

[Ian Crossland]

Trump had talked about getting rid of income tax early on.

[Christian Maxwell]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I think that's a viable thing.

[Tim Pool]

I think it'll be good and just do tariffs.

[Christian Maxwell]

I think that it incentivize someone. I look at like, like I said, I'm always looking at Chicago. Chicago has been become so dependent on taxes and fees. So everything is a fee, everything is a fine, and everything is taxes. They don't even think about the business opportunity of Chicago anymore. That's why they're not looking at trying to be, trying to welcome entrepreneurs, trying to welcome corporations. They don't even care about corporations anymore. They only care about people's bodies, how much they can work and how much they can be fined. So it, it really, it removes ingenuity or the incentive to be, to be creative from leaders when all they can do, when they just rely on taxes, they don't have to actually work at the job.

[Ian Crossland]

So the Loop area in Chicago is so beautiful.

[Christian Maxwell]

It's beautiful.

[Ian Crossland]

Very Marketable city, even working nine to five down there was. It was so refreshing to look out the window and see another building. But the sunlight coming off the lake and the. The fresh and also the connective tissue of the subway system.

[Christian Maxwell]

Of the connective tissue.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

The brown line to the red line to the living.

[Christian Maxwell]

It is living, though. I do agree. And I think that it just needs to. The multiple areas of the city have been just left to rot. But that rot cost money like this. The schools that Ram Emanuel closed, like, a long time ago, they're still sitting there. And Chicago is still paying fees and money every month to keep them, like, from tumbling. So it's like you have these schools that are closed. Cp, you know, CPS doesn't. Or CPS doesn't want to let charters use them. So it's like all this just dumb bureaucracy that keeps Chicago in a. Just a financial deficit because they're not trying to be creative at all.

[Tim Pool]

Here's an interesting one. Jared says Door Dash in the north suburbs has started random. Random identity checks forcing you to scan your face before starting a session. Started about a month ago. I think we have something to do with that because I got some kind of. I can't remember what happened. We were. I was. I was complaining about this because our security is very tight. And so when we order door dash and a stranger pulls up, we're like, goodbye.

[Phil Labonte]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

If we're not expecting, you can't be here. And we've had a bunch of security incidents that I can't even talk about without compromising car. So I won't. But people start getting pissed off. And the problem has seemed to have largely stopped. People pull up and we have. Our security guy walks up to the car and says, what can I do for you? And they're like, I have a door dash for, you know, insert name. And they say, do you have some ID on you? And they'll go, for what? And then we're like. Because no one's allowed to enter or make deliveries unless we know who you are and why you're here, here. And then they go, okay. And they show their id. I would say since the past month or so, people have just been like, sure. And they just show their id and then we've had no problems. But the thing is, what really bothered me is door dash doesn't give you the full name either. So if there's someone named Jim, he can let anybody named Jim. Jim S. Exactly. Jim S. Do they give you. Although it mostly deals with the problem.

[Ian Crossland]

The license plate Number. Do you get a license plate number?

[Tim Pool]

Oh really?

[Ian Crossland]

Uber. Those license plate.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. I, I, I am irked. So we basically stop door dash. Like we, we've Uber Eats is the way we don't, we don't use any of it anymore. Wait, when you do Uber Eats, it shows you the license plate number Believe.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I think all Uber stuff is a license plate.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, that would be great. We basically have been winding down doing any of that and just been relying on pickups now and, and going out personally because it's become very insecure.

[Christian Maxwell]

It's incredibly insecure.

[Tim Pool]

Who knows? Like some weirdo pulls up and says, here's your food. And then here's the problem. If I order food, food, I know when food is coming. Yeah, I can see on the app, but sometimes we order food for, for the, for the office and then, you know, I'll, I'll buy like 400 bucks in taco Bell and then everyone comes like ravenous rats and just that would be me. What would happen if someone pulled up and said here's a food delivery. Somebody working here thought it was a, it was for the office. And then people started eating it. It was tampered with because they didn't know. So that's why we told everybody, like it's got to be confirmed all stuff. But that just about does it, my friends. It's been a blast. Thanks so much for hanging out. We're back, of course, throughout the weekend with clips. Then we're back on Monday. It's going to be great. Oh, man. Actually, I shouldn't say anything just yet, but next week is going to get crazy. You guys, I hope you're really excited. I can't say anything just yet. Probably can't until you see the show on Monday. But Monday is going to be epic. This, this next week is going to be massive. So you can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast Smash the like button. Share the show. Christian, do you want to shout anything out?

[Christian Maxwell]

Definitely. Follow me on X at the My pun. But the biggest thing is get out to vote Illinois. Get out to vote. Sign as many Republican petitions as you can because the election process starts now. Don't sit it out and just wait until the big day. The big day is right now. Getting people on the ballot. So you have an option. That's the biggest thing you have to protect in Illinois is having an option.

[Ian Crossland]

People follow you for motivation at the mod pun.

[Christian Maxwell]

Yes, the mod pun on Twitter and also TikTok.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you have a website? Campaign website?

[Christian Maxwell]

Sure. You can visit me@christian maxwellforcongress.com thank you for coming, Christian.

[Ian Crossland]

That was awesome.

[Christian Maxwell]

Thank you for having me. This was good.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. That was a lot of fun, guys. I hope you enjoyed my philosophy. Have a nice weekend. Take care of yourself. Be healthy. Pray for healing for yourself and others. The spirits do wonders.

[Phil Labonte]

Go to the gym.

[Ian Crossland]

I love you, Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. I'm Phil that remains official. No, I'm not Phil that remains official anymore. I keep doing that. The band is all that remains. You can follow the band on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you all throughout the weekend with our segments and then we're back on Monday. Thanks for hanging out.

[Christian Maxwell]

Sa.