Tim Pool (2:10)

It's a particularly tragic weekend. We had the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife. It's a horrifying story. They were found with their throats slit reportedly and it was their son who was arrested. We also have the shooting in Bondi Beach. Horrifying attack on a Hanukkah celebration. We have the shooting At Brown University, where the suspect is still at large, they had a person of interest who was released. And then, of course, the FBI has announced that they had thwarted a terror attack, a plot planned for New Year's Eve. So when it rains, it pours, they say. Now Donald Trump has made some insensitive statements as they're described about Rob Reiner following his death. And a lot of people are upset about it. I think it's fair to say Donald Trump has a reason to be upset with Rob Reiner, who donated a lot of money going after him, accusing him of working for Russia and like, being part of this Russian attack, as he described that in the United States. But Rob Reiner was a Hollywood legend. He's friends with many conservatives. He was very gracious when Charlie Kirk was murdered. My understanding is that James woods had pointed out that they are very good friends and have been for a very long time. And so this is a man who, he had Trump derangement syndrome. Sure. But he was a legend. And I will tell you this. I know most of you can. I can recite probably from memory many of his movies. Princess Bride, hands down, I can probably just recite the whole movie from memory. So this is horrifying. And, and I think it was. It's an opportunity for people to kind of, you know, lay down your sword and come together. We're talking about that. A lot of people are criticizing Donald Trump. Before we get into all that, my friends, we. We got a great sponsor for you. It is Beam Dream. Check out apparently nothing. It's not coming up. Do we just. You want to try and hit it? What happened? We got it. We're going to fix it, guys.

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Drew Ski (5:53)

Hey, Tim, Good to be here.

Tim Pool (5:54)

Thanks for coming. Who are you? What do you do?

Drew Ski (5:56)

Yeah, it's great to be here in Las Vegas sitting at a poker table.

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That's right, poker goes.

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Tim Pool (6:05)

Indeed. What's your. What do you do? What's your.

Drew Ski (6:08)

Well, my big thing is making sure there's transparency in science and health. I was a director of communications for Robert Kennedy Jr. So it was a big part of getting him the HHS secretary. And I'm pretty stoked to see what the sort of Maha thing has got going on and bringing transparency to very, very. I think it's the most controversial issues really there is. When you talk about, you know, looking into vaccines, are they safe, are they effective, Are we giving too many, not enough and re reanalyzing that. It should be that we could reanalyze anything in science, but this one is.

Tim Pool (6:42)

Really there's big news on the Hep B vaccine for kids too. They're pulling that off. Is that what's happening?

Drew Ski (6:47)

Well, they're not pulling it off. Which is, I mean, which is what the critics of Bobby said he would always do. You're gonna get r the vaccines. The truth is he's doing what I think most Americans would want, which is hepatitis B, sexually transmitted disease. You can only get it if you're sleeping with prostitutes for sharing heroin needles. 99.95% of mothers are not hepatitis B positive. They're negative. So they're blood tested. So there's no reason to give this to a day one old baby. So all they said was if a mother's hepatitis B negative. They just had these meetings at CDC last week, hepatitis B negative, they tested negative. Then it's shared decision making between them and their doctor. Let them and their doctor decide if they want to get that vaccine. So nobody yanked the vaccine out of existence. They just said, forcing it, recommending it by the cdc, which turns into mandate. And the work I do, I get called all the time by people that are at the hospital. They don't want to get the hepatitis B vaccine to their baby. And the hospital's calling child protective services on them, threatening to take the baby away, threatening to take all their kids away. I mean, it's really obscene for a disease that their child has no risk for if they're negative. So I think that culture is about to shift quite.

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Shout out to poker. Go for hosting us. This is like this studio is so good. So yeah, let's get into the the news there, my friends. We'll start with this. We've got this from cnn. Trump doubles down on his criticism of slain director Rob Reiner first, let me give you the the quick news for those that have missed this story. I think everybody's seen it. Rayner's son arrested in the deaths of his parents. They say The Nick Rayner, 32, is being held without bail and suspicion of murder after the bodies of the director Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle were found in their home. They say his son we know this. The arrest came Sunday. The arrest on Sunday came the day after the father and son were seen arguing at a party at the home of the comedian Conan o', Brien, according to a party attendee who recalled Rob Reiner telling his son that his behavior was inappropriate. The attendee, who asked not to be named to maintain relationships, did not speak to any of the Reiners at the party and added that it was unclear what the argument was about. The son, Nick Reiner, 32, was arrested Sunday night and was being held in jail in LA county, the police said. Jail records viewable online initially indicated that bail had been set at 4 million, but those records had since been modified. He was being held without bail, the police said so according to numerous reports. They were saying that they were found with stab wounds or their throats slit. Horrifying story. We've got this from CNN addressing Donald Trump's statements. Let's play it.

Tate Brown (10:20)

Trump has already come under criticism for.

Tim Pool (10:23)

What he has said on his true social platform about Rob Reiner. He accused him of having Trump derangement syndrome. He said he was known to have driven people crazy by his raging obsession with Donald Trump. He called him tortured and struggling but once very talented. This is what he had to say.

Tate Brown (10:40)

Of course, upon learning that Rob Reiner.

Tim Pool (10:43)

And his wife Michelle had passed away.

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Trump then just a few moments ago.

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Drew Ski (11:54)

Well, I wasn't a fan of his at all. He was a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned.

Tim Pool (12:00)

And he said he liked.

Drew Ski (12:01)

He knew it was false.

Tim Pool (12:03)

In fact, it's the exact opposite that.

Drew Ski (12:05)

I was a friend of Russia controlled by Russia.

Tim Pool (12:08)

You know, it was the Russia hoax. He was one of the people behind it. I think he hurt himself in career wise he became like a deranged person.

Drew Ski (12:17)

Trump derangement syndrome. So I was not a fan of Rob Reiner at all in any way, shape or form.

Tim Pool (12:23)

I thought he was very bad for our country.

Ian Crossland (12:26)

Homie. It sounds like Trump has Trump derangement syndrome.

Tim Pool (12:29)

Like this Trump has Trump derangement syndrome.

Ian Crossland (12:32)

He didn't talk about himself in the third person when they followed up and asked him to clarify. Do you really, are you really gonna stand behind the comments earlier? He's like, yeah, that's something Trump would think like something like that. Like, dude, they didn't ask him if he was a fan of Rob Reiner. I don't know what their leading question was there, but I'm sure it wasn't that. It's just really gruesome. This is why people hated him in 2016 and didn't wanna vote for him. That's why people hated him in 2020 and didn't wanna vote for him. This is why is because he says stuff like this.

Tim Pool (13:00)

You know, I talk to a fair, fair amount of folks and the sentiment is fairly universal that this is not the way to handle it. Donald Trump, of course I think his points are valid, but there's a time and a place, you know what I mean? Rob Reiner was a Hollywood legend and we want to go back to a time when we disagreed and this is what I was saying this morning. The disagreements are actually how we solve problems in this country. When one person on the left says I want this tax policy, and the person on the right says no, and then we work out what is the best way to go about it. And then people vote for the reps, the reps will come, and then backstab the American people and then cater to the big banks and the corporations and big pharmaceuticals, and nothing ever gets done.

Ian Crossland (13:43)

Then we all get screwed together.

Tim Pool (13:44)

Anyway, I'm on a tangent now. My point is this was an opportunity for Trump to be magnanimous. Everybody's basically saying, I know Rob was Trump or whatever, but that era of movies, those movies are the American culture we want to remember. Princess Bride, it's one of the greatest films of all time, even though the story's a little wonky. It's weird, but it's just so good, so memorable. And I can probably recite the whole thing from memory. Trump had an opportunity to actually say, I know the guy hated me. I know the guy said bad things about me, but I'm truly sad to see this happen. He did that with Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Drew Ski (14:24)

So I was thinking, you know, even just a couple of weeks ago with Zoran Mandani, with the way he brought him in and put his big arm around him, I mean, those were attacks going both ways. But it's not like Trump doesn't understand how to do that. It doesn't. You know, in that moment, I thought that was amazing. He, like, makes it like he's his best friend, even though he's like the most liberal, you know, slash communist person ever grab office in New York. But Donald Trump brings him in, is totally friendly, congratulates him, amazing job. And. And so when I saw this, I was like, it's not like Trump doesn't understand the power of sort of playing the nice card. Right? I'm in the power position. I can say whatever I want. And in this situation, he just seemed to let it go and decide to let his again, it seems like, you know, I don't want to say rage, certainly anger towards everything he's been through. He's been through a lot. I get it. But, you know, these are the last statements made. Why not. Why not play. Play nice and then take the upper hand?

Phil Labonte (15:18)

I think that this is easy. I think this is. Is.

Tim Pool (15:20)

I mean, it's.

Phil Labonte (15:21)

It's typical Trump. I do think that it was bad. I think that he should have been magnanimous. But at the same time, this is going to go away in, like, one news cycle. No one's going to remember what he said about Rob Reiner. It's. It's a horrible story. The way that Rob Browning died and his wife died, it's allegedly his son that did it. You know, obviously we have to see what comes out. And, and I don't have any kind of inside information about that. I'm reports. But it's a terrible, terrible tragedy to hear that a family was, was, you know, murdered like that by their own kid. The poor daughter is going to be absolutely devastated, of course. So, like, it's, it's a terrible thing. I, like I said, I wish Trump had been a little more magnanimous, but honestly, it's going to go away because people are going to find the next thing to be outrageous at Trump. And to your point, Ian, earlier, like, I do think that you, you have some point when you're like, oh, this is one of the things that people hated about Trump was the way that he, he would behave. But I don't think that if he were a magnanimous person all the time and were, and spoke softly and was kind, I don't think the left would have a significantly different opinion on him if his policies were the same.

Drew Ski (16:29)

Right.

Phil Labonte (16:29)

The idea that we have to build the wall, the idea that we need to deport illegals, those kind of things are just a total affront to what the left stands for. And I think that no matter how he delivers those messages, they're going to call him a Nazi, they're going to call him all the names. So I understand what you're saying and to a degree, I think you have a bit of a point. But I think overall it doesn't matter what Trump says. The policies that Trump wants to have, the left are going to act like he is the worst thing ever. Remember what they called George Bush? Remember what they called Mitt Romney? And Mitt Romney was the most milquetoast, soft spoken, polite, politically correct guy you could possibly find in the Republican Party.

Tate Brown (17:09)

Yeah, but I mean, I will say it's, it's really hard to take criticism from and brow beating from people who dunked all over Charlie Kirk when he died, people that ran cover for a candidate in Virginia who threatened to kill Republicans. I mean, it's like, it's one thing if it's an internal discussion among maga, like, okay, was this appropriate? Was it not? But the seeing the left come out and, you know, tried to hold Trump's feet to the fire. I mean, we had, we had multiple people coming out saying Trump's been given the off ramp at every moment or Trump supporters been given the offering, but every moment and it's like, when is enough enough? And it's like, Trump was brought in to disrupt the status quo. You got to take the good with the bad. I mean, it is what it is. I mean, Ben Shapiro makes this point all the time. And it's a good point, is like, look, sometimes Trump hits the nail on the head, sometimes he hits a baby. It is what it is. But there's truth. It's like, I'm not going to take criticism and lectures from people that want me dead. I mean, that's just the reality situation.

Tim Pool (18:00)

The point is we're trying to present the American people with an alternative to what the left has been doing. And if Charlie Kirk is murdered and then they're jumping up and down dancing. You guys see that viral video of that woman with the fake, like, dressed like Erica Kirk dancing around while wiping her eyes to music or whatever?

Phil Labonte (18:15)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (18:16)

Just. They're going to keep celebrating the murder. They're going to keep mocking the, the, the, the, the, the widow because she's not grieving the way they want her to. And Trump has an opportunity to come out and say, that's not us. We don't do that. And this is the point when all of the weird woke cancel culture stuff was happening. The point was the right was saying, guys, if you're scared of losing your job because those wackos are telling you you can't speak, come to our side where we allow you to speak, where no one's gonna fire you from your job because you said naughty words or a joke. The position now is, while I do agree, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna listen to any one of these wacko lefties who are dancing on Charlie's grave. But I will then say this is an opportunity for Trump to be like, we're not gonna do what they do. We are going to be the side where you know that people will genuinely feel bad if you were to die.

Ian Crossland (19:03)

When he was set, started saying, well, Rob Reiner had tds, I don't know, he didn't say he had it coming, but he was basically saying, well, this guy had all these problems, so he's kind of justifying why he got murdered. That was what they were doing about Charlie Kirk. Well, he was a Trump guy, so he had it coming. You know, like, it's the exact same state of mind. You start victim blaming or, like, describing how they. And I think it is a cycle. And if you do it, next guy's gonna do it again. And then if you don't have Someone that shuts the door. It's gonna do it again and again and again.

Tim Pool (19:32)

I've heard these stories over and over again and it was the great Daniel Negrano who I referenced recently over things like this with Trump Derangement Syndrome. It's perfect now that we're in Vegas. Cuz the story he told us on the show was he really believed Trump was all the things they accused him of doing until his buddy actually made him watch the Very Fine People hoax video. And he thought he knew and that's why he hated Donald Trump. Cuz Trump was doing all these things. He watched the full video finally and that's when it clicked that Trump never called Nazis fine people. He realized he was wrong and opened up the door and he was like, maybe I'm wrong about some other things too and started looking into it.

Tate Brown (20:11)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (20:11)

My point is we have to, for a lot of these people, create that opportunity to come open, come over, show them the door. Right. And I'll put it like this, guys. You know, to be completely honest, this is actually rather tepid on Trump's part. I don't think he said anything super egregious. Yeah, he's like, well, you know, yeah, tds Trump derangement. I was no fan. It's like, you could be nicer, but it's nothing compared with the left has been doing. So I still do think we capture a little bit of that. We're nicer.

Tate Brown (20:39)

Sure.

Tim Pool (20:39)

It's just that I think it's a better opportunity to say, you know, come hang out with us. We're not gonna, we're not gonna dance on your grave.

Ian Crossland (20:44)

Does he have a comms director? I mean, I don't know if you would try.

Drew Ski (20:47)

Not the one that he listens. No one would want that job. You surely don't want your name on that job.

Tate Brown (20:53)

Yeah, that's a great look.

Drew Ski (20:54)

I don't think he said what you said. I don't think he said he had it coming or anything like that. I mean, I haven't really dissected the information down, but it's basically this guy's been an a hole my, you know, my entire existence here. We're not friends and you know, I'm going to just have one last statement about that. It lacks, you know, something, but, but everyone that says, you know, I wish that Donald Trump spoke better. If he just, if he just spoke better. I mean, even in 2020 when, you know, he, you know, didn't take the presidency, that was the whole thing. Like, if you just spoke Better the way he speaks, got the largest vote in Republican history. And I want to make this point too clear about that. Joe Biden, that 2020 election, that not only did he get more Republican votes than anyone in history, I don't believe anyone that year voted for Joe Biden. They voted against Donald Trump. We have never seen anything like this human being ever on this planet where 100% of the vote was about one guy. And you know, I know some of that. I get a lot of negative energy in what I do. And you get used to, either you're going to get crushed by it or you start using it as fuel and you start using it to wake people up and you know, get, you know, get more sound bites and go viral or whatever it is. I think these are those moments where he gets so used to any attention is, is good attention. And I don't know what he's trying to distract us from this week. There might be something out there, but I think this is a moment where he just misplayed it. But I agree, it's, it's just lacks taste.

Tate Brown (22:17)

Yeah, I mean, you're seeing a lot of people on the right like really pearl clutching over this. And I'm just like, to your point, I mean, with, with Trump, if the, if he, you know, if he succumbs to the demands of people on the right that are like, oh, he just needs to speak better, he's a tone it down. He would just perform as well as every other Republican that gets walloped when it's a non Trump year. All these people that are perfect consultant, class. I was like, Trump's rough around the edges. You got to take the good at the bad because when he's on, he's on and no one else is there, he's, he's a tone setter. I just kind of take the JD Vance position that he had with the political article or that group chat leaked where he was just like, look, it's really hard to get worked up over a statement like this. Like Tim said, it's tepid at best. Same thing at the Polito Group chat leak. It's really hard to get worked up over that. When can we take a look at what they're doing, where they're actively, you know, wishing the death of their political rivals. I mean, like, what are we doing?

Tim Pool (23:06)

Let's jump to this next story. We got this from Fox News, ladies and gentlemen. FBI arrests four alleged members of radical pro Palestinian group accused of plotting New Year's Eve bombings. Individuals self identified as members of the Turtle Island Liberation Front. So the quick gist here is they were planning to use IEDs, according to the FBI on New Year's Eve. And apparently their motivation is anti imperialism. It's not really about pro Palestine. They are just general leftists who think that the United States is a colonizing force and they want to decolonize. And for this they wanted to blow people up, according to the FBI. So I can't say that I'm surprised, but what I am, again, not surprised. I guess I'll add this is that it's not being framed as leftist when it clearly is. The quote, free Palestine, free Hawaii, free Puerto Rico, freeing the world from American imperialism. This is not a right wing position. And I'm using right wing in the way the left uses it when they say that the right is nationalistic, authoritarian. Okay, this is the opposite of that. It's anarcho, tyrannical, anti American. It is clearly aligned with leftist, anti colonial, decolonized, whatever. But I guarantee you they're gonna put it under right wing, anti government extremists and they're not going to classify it as leftist.

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Phil Labonte (25:52)

Imagine how you can twist yourself into saying that it's right wing and to this point like the it's a good thing that Donald Trump has actually started focusing on homegrown terror from the left. This plot right here obviously was one of the things that, that one of the reasons why the DOJ should be focusing on this stuff. But you can go back and look the past year at how many leftist attacks on whether they be individuals or businesses or what have you, how much violence they're actually carrying out in the United States. And to think that they're not planning more considering how they've been essentially, essentially marginalized politically. The left does not have the power that it used to. They've been losing over and over and over and this is, this is how they lash out. So it's good that the DOJ is doing this stuff and I just want to see more.

Ian Crossland (26:43)

Well, you know, some advice to all you anti imperialists out there, if you. I'm not the biggest fan of what I think is the least worst global system we've ever had. You know, we haven't had a world war in 80 years. That's really cool. If you want to end Empire, you got to replace it with something better. Don't just try and destroy what we got. You're going to prison if you do that and you're going to be seen as a villain. You got to think bigger, make better.

Phil Labonte (27:05)

They're going to say they want to replace it with communism or some kind of socialism.

Drew Ski (27:08)

That's the goal.

Tim Pool (27:08)

Oh, shall we talk about Animal Farm, the movie?

Phil Labonte (27:10)

I really hate what I'm hearing.

Ian Crossland (27:13)

I saw you tax tweet about it.

Tim Pool (27:14)

That they're in a second.

Ian Crossland (27:15)

But ultimately. Well, yeah, yeah, I don't know. That's what I'm thinking is like these foolish radicals that want to blow things up and they think that that's the step forward you just got.

Drew Ski (27:25)

It's.

Ian Crossland (27:25)

I don't know how to wake them up exactly. But if you're a kid, if you're, you're listening now, don't do that path. Do build better things because we can improve on this imperial system. And probably, probably we might even be able to decolonize and de. Imperialize the world in a better way for everybody. But that's by creating new things, I.

Phil Labonte (27:43)

Just think, which is bad.

Tim Pool (27:44)

I think the political violence is going to keep getting worse. And it's not, it's not just this, like, left, right divide, these principal left right factions. But the Internet is creating pockets of tons of different factions. I mean, you only really need 100 whackaloons of any crazy ideology to get political violence to a great degree. This is four people. You've got the Zizians, you've got seven, six, four. You don't need a left versus right. You've just got whackaloon groups popping up all over the place. That's what's got me worried about the political violence moving forward next year.

Drew Ski (28:18)

But aren't we, aren't we playing into this? I mean, we're calling this left or this right or they're going to say, you know, we're saying it's left, they're going to try to make it right. I mean, when are we going to get to the place where we're back to just these are some crazy people that are against America? I mean, I'm really, I am very concerned, actually, because we're all doing it. I mean, I know we talk about how Charlie Kirk was talked about. I mean, I think about this a lot. But we're all carrying hatred for the other side. We're, you know, if you're a conservative, you're terrified of communism in this country. And it's, it's, I mean, when they say, oh, there's a civil war, I mean, we are, I mean, I don't know how a civil war would ever happen with the laziest society the world's ever seen. I mean, that's.

Tim Pool (28:55)

Only 3% of Americans fought in the revolution.

Drew Ski (28:57)

Right. But, you know, we are all playing this. And I think that's part of, like, not to go back to the Trump story, but it's. What's bothering us is so many of us were going back for the holidays to visit with our families and we're going to try and like, really finally get our liberal brothers and sisters, relatives to understand, look how much good is happening here. And a line like that by Trump doesn't help. But, you know, I mean, we have to, if we do not figure out how to reach across the aisle, somehow we keep calling each other names. It does feel like it's coming one direction, but, you know, here we are left. Is it right? It's a bunch of pro Palestinians that want to kill Americans for, you know, no reasonable reason.

Tate Brown (29:36)

But I would posit that like there actually is an underlying ideology to what's going on here because leftism fundamentally is deconstructionist. They want to take apart what brings order to the world, these sorts of things. That's where the ideas of decolonization come out. That's why they specifically harp on about Hawaii, harp on about Puerto Rico. So what's happening here is wise from the FBI to keep an eye on these sorts of groups because fundamentally they do want to take apart what is the United States. And leftism in its natural conclusion is going to result in things like this because once they feel like they can't achieve means. Oran McIntyre. Me and Phil were talking about his interview with Amy Aiden Paladin. Aiden Paladin, where people with a strong out group preference are never going to be satisfied with whoever's in office. They're going to continue to lash out because they're in constant rebellion. So what you're seeing with these people here, this is leftism at its natural conclusion. These are people that are always in a constant rebellion and nothing, no sort of bone that we can throw to them will ever fully satiate them.

Phil Labonte (30:33)

When you bring up decolonization, you have to talk about Franz Fanon, the guy that wrote this book called the Wretched of the Earth. And in the book it specifically says that decolonization is an inherently violent process. Yes, right. You don't get to have a peaceful change of the guard when you're talking about decolonization. When you're talking about decolonization, you're not talking about just voting in the people that you like. There's always violence associated with. And so if you're taught, if you've got a group that's saying we want to decolonize, we want to, you know, we want to decolonize Hawaii, we want to decolonize, you know, we stand for decolonization of Palestine or what have you. These people aren't looking for a peaceful solution. These people are not going to be debated. These people are violent by their nature. That's why they're attracted to books like the Wretched of the Earth by Franz Fanon. They were attracted to ideologies like the decolonized, whatever ideology. This stuff is all, it's all leftist violence that you can't reason with. It's inherently violent. You have to put these people in jail.

Tim Pool (31:37)

I want to put it like this. Because you know, you're saying we keep pointing the finger at each other. Yeah, that's why the challenge that we have is the left, right distinction doesn't make any sense. And it's a point we've talked about quite a bit. Right doesn't mean lower taxes, doesn't mean go to church. To every conservative, I'm a liberal. To every liberal. Cuz liberal doesn't even mean liberal, I'm a conservative or far right. So what we're talking about when we say left is there is an ideological zealotry that exists specifically in a group of people. And the right, when we talk about the right, it's actually just what the core of America has been for the past 30 years. So how we call out those who dance on the grave of Charlie Kirk, the right doesn't really have that. Certainly there are some people that they exist and you're gonna have fringe wackos. So you made this point saying, when are we gonna go back to just saying that these are extremists? That is what the right is. On the right, almost everybody is always saying violence is wrong and sometimes there's wackos. The quote unquote left is largely just a bunch of wackos. So it's fair to say these are just all extremists. But there is a uniqueness to what the left has harbored, what the Democrats are harboring and the ideas they espouse when they align themselves with. I mean, there's thousands upon thousands of videos of people celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk.

Drew Ski (33:02)

Yeah, but I just, I mean, I grew up in Boulder, Colorado, so I come from like the crystal cathedral of liberalism. Right. I mean it doesn't that Aspen, Berkeley, you know, and so what I can say is this, I'll go home, I'm gonna have arguments with friends and family because they all have a different perspective than I do. But what I will not hear is that they believe in decolonization. You know, I mean, what, and then this is what I struggle with is what is, I mean, when we say left, but there's, there's, there's, I agree that there's this globalist, authoritarian, communist, whatever you want to take it, you know, rush our borders, destroy like water down our society, make us demand that the National Guard come in and take away our rights because we're, we can't handle ourselves and we vote in the nanny state. But what is, what I think is difficult about this time is that I really think that they're, it's more like they're brainwashed and, or that they're. They're hypnotized. Right. They don't actually know what they're fighting for. When we say left, sure. If you're talking about the. Whoever's in charge, where the they is. But the people that are watching cnn, msnbc, they don't actually know what they're a part of. And if they did, if you could wake them up, I think they'd be with us. I think they'd be in the right that you're talking about. I was one.

Tim Pool (34:14)

You know, like, there are many people who are formerly of tds, and this is the issue. There is a left, and then there are people who have aligned themselves ignorantly, and I mean that derisively, but ignorantly with these people. And I have these conversations typically with these boomers who are voting Democrat. Yeah. And then I mention one Democrat policy and they say, I'm lying. I made it up. There's no way.

Drew Ski (34:36)

Right.

Tim Pool (34:36)

Do you think that there should be abortion up to the point of birth? They go, no one's doing that. I'm like, let me pull up a list for you of all the Democrats. They don't believe it. They won't listen. And so when you have fringe leftists.

Drew Ski (34:49)

You'Re making my point. You're exactly where I.

Tim Pool (34:51)

And so the point is this.

Drew Ski (34:52)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (34:53)

When we point out that there are fringe leftists who are extremists, standing in front of them are a bunch of doofy boomers who are protecting them and voting in their policies, we have a problem. But it's the banality of evil. Just because they're ignorant doesn't mean they're.

Ian Crossland (35:08)

Excused for what they're doing or they're hypnotized. It's like, it's really like trying to crack someone out of a, out of a zombie trance.

Phil Labonte (35:14)

Still got to put them in jail.

Drew Ski (35:15)

But, but I agree. But if we're going to get through to people that we care about, then we're going to have to, you know, understand how they think. And they are not thinking as, like, they're not carrying strong leftist values. To your point, when you lay them out to them, they're like, no, that's not true. Oh, that's not. No, that, that's propaganda. That's what, that's what the Trumpers say. They really don't get that. That's what the driving force of their, you know, of what they're voting for is. So somehow calling them and labeling them with this ideology that they don't even actually adhere to. I don't think we're going to win this game. There's got to be a better way to get to the people and say you're being led by people you would not agree with if you could wake up. I'm just, you know, it's semantics in a way.

Phil Labonte (35:57)

I think you're underestimating exactly how pervasive this ideology is on the in to young people. If you go to colleges, you have to take some kind of humanities courses to graduate. And the humanities are where this stuff is absolutely prevalent. Right? It is everywhere. The idea that the right is imperialist and based on evil that is pervasive throughout all of the colleges. It's not just a handful of colleges and it's not just a handful of classes. There was a time a couple of years back where there was an argument that was coming that you heard actual mathematicians making the argument that sometimes two plus two equals five. This kind of ideology is seeping out of the humanities. It's all over the English classes. It's all over. It's getting into STEM and stuff like that.

Tim Pool (36:49)

So this.

Phil Labonte (36:49)

So I, I understand your point and I do think there is, there is a bit of.

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Phil Labonte (37:53)

True to it because it's not something that everybody is really committed to. But I do think there are a lot of young people that really believe that the west is overall evil. They believe the things they've heard in their, in their humanities class classes, their women's studies classes there and what anything in the humanities really. But it's. It's basically saying that the west is evil. And if you ascribe to anything that the west does you're saying that you accept evil. And I think that it's important that we notice that this is not just a very fringe right. It's a lot of people that really have moved out of the colleges and moved into broader society.

Drew Ski (38:34)

I think you're pointing out a generational issue which is. I see it as dealing with my parents, my brother, sister, you know, the kids I went to school with. They're not quite. But what you are talking about. You're right. I am sort of blind to. I do see what they're teaching in college and the young people are coming out much more radicalized against, probably closer.

Phil Labonte (38:53)

To your age than anybody else here.

Drew Ski (38:54)

But you're surprised. It's a good point. No, I'm not saying. You're not just, you know, I think it is a generational issue if these.

Ian Crossland (38:59)

People, truly a bunch of them are hypnotized and you fall into like Phil to respond to you and you fall into saying, I think you really believe what you're saying through. In their hypnotic state. You're like, no, that's really who you are. That's going to mean you lose to them and you lose to the hypnotist. You have to shatter through that.

Phil Labonte (39:16)

Well, it's, it's not as simple as just, you know, having a conversation or two. Right. Like the people that believe that the west has colonized the world and has oppressed the entire world, you're not going to sit them down and show them the Trump video where he says, where he says, no, there were, there were, you know, the very fine people hoax and then. And have someone say, oh well, I didn't know that he said that. Now I'm going to change everything. These people have this, this ideology ingrained in them and they have for four, eight, you know, whatever years that they're in college, their post grad studies, like it's all over the place. So it's not just the situation of hey, we got to talk to our family members. Not saying that that doesn't work or that's not important. It's just that this is something that we, it's a, it's a societal problem that we have right now. And it, we can't just say, oh well, you know, if we just sit down and talk to people, they'll change their opinion. These are, you're going to have to end up putting the violent people in jail, take them out of society because they're looking to destroy society.

Drew Ski (40:15)

Yeah.

Tate Brown (40:16)

I mean, because people. We were going onto these to Phil's point, the college campuses are aware a lot of this is occurring. We went to the college campuses and they shot us for our trouble. So, I mean, it's like at a certain point when you're dealing with people who fundamentally do not accept the pretense of debate, then we have, we have to believe them when they say these things. We have to accept their presupposition that they just simply don't believe in debate anymore.

Tim Pool (40:38)

This next door we got breaking news, ladies and gentlemen. The meeting between Candace Owens and Erica Kirk has concluded. And Candace and Erica have both tweeted with Candace saying that it was an extremely productive meeting. And again, I know there's a lot of people out there. They always say this is just silly drama, doesn't matter. It certainly does matter when the right is being torn apart at the beginning of a midterm year and we have to win. Otherwise Trump doesn't get the back half of a second term. This means that all of the gains get erased. It means Trump's gonna get impeached in some nonsense reason. We have a story from the Post Millennial A report. Podcaster Candace Owens met with TPUSA CEO Erica Kirk on Monday after weeks of tension. As a result, Owens said tensions were thawed. The meeting went on for four and a half hours and Owens reported that she would give a full rundown on Tuesday, saying, Erica, Erica and I had an extremely productive four and a half hour meeting that I think we both feel should have taken place a lot earlier than it did. We agreed much more than I anticipated. Of course, we also disagreed on various points and people as well. Most importantly, we were able to share intel and clarify intent. I will of course have a full rundown for all for you all tomorrow as I am currently exhausted. But I wanted to quickly let you guys know that absolutely nothing was held back and the immediate result was that tensions were thawed. Now, I think this is interesting as a moment ago we were talking about the left and the right and people who are brainwashed in these factions. And I think Candace certainly represents another form of zealotry. It's not necessarily a right wing thing. I know a lot of people say that she's on the right or woke right or whatever it is, but if you look at the Young Turks comments, you can see that Candace has a very, very massive liberal audience. These are regular people who don't know a whole lot about what is going on. And it's really easy to trick people into thinking insane things by quote unquote asking questions. The thing is however, as for Candace and many of these other people that are questioning the assassination of Charlie Kirk, is there asking questions about things that aren't actually things that have ever happened? They seem to be just making Egyptian planes.

Ian Crossland (42:38)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (42:39)

Why are there so many Egyptian planes flying around? Can someone answer this? No, because it's not real. And so when you ask that and then someone asks for an answer on the Egyptian plains and you explain to them it never happened, they don't believe you. They say, no, I don't know about. There's been debunk after debunk after debunk. But what do you do when you have large factions of people who don't know what's going on lining up in this world, in this weird world and dragging everybody down with them usually make.

Ian Crossland (43:04)

Better, make a louder, more bright thing for them to look at so that you can realign them and show them the path forward. I think because these people. Madness. They talk about madness. Do people experience. I've gone mad. Like, it's kind of funny. It's cliche because it's such a small. But madness is when you're sad or you're in pain and you're confused when you're hurting and you don't know why. And that's what happened. When Charlie was killed, Candace devolved into madness. I've been watching it for three months. She's been grabbing, trying to figure out why. She wants to know why. Because she's been confused.

Tim Pool (43:33)

No, Ian, that's wrong.

Ian Crossland (43:36)

Well, tell me how.

Tim Pool (43:37)

Okay, I'll say things that I probably shouldn't say, but I'm going to say because I always get super heated on this. Candace Owens has the same security team as Turning Point and Charlie Kirk did. She's lying. She has the same security people. I've been digging into this. I've been meeting with people and talking with them. And I shouldn't say too much because there's more that's gonna be coming out soon. Cause rest assured, people are filing legal paperwork against her. Candace has the same security team or has used the same security companies and the same security personnel as Charlie and Erica did. So when she comes out and is questioning them, she is lying outright. Now, I've invited many of these people to come on. We'll see what happens. We'll see when they can. The issue is the moment Candace goes on her show to millions of people and lies, litigation begins. And what happens when litigation begins? People don't do interviews about. About it. She is exploiting this, and she knows she is to keep people wrapped up in this insanity, then there might be.

Ian Crossland (44:33)

A middle ground here, because it is insane. And yeah, Candace, maybe she's lying, but it doesn't mean she hasn't gone mad in some sense. And I think a lot of that's.

Tim Pool (44:41)

Why she out of her own lawyers. She said Egyptian planes were landing at airports where black government SUVs were driving to an address in Delaware. And then she read the address to her own lawyers. She does not vet anything she's talking about. There was a leaked video that came out. Steven Crowder put this out. It is a meeting at the Daily Wire where Jeremy Boring is explaining why they are severing ties with Candace Owens. And one of the things he said was that when he sat down with her, she said, I believe Candace says this what the people believe. That's it. She's outright saying she doesn't care what's true and she doesn't believe anything. She is going to say whatever people want her to say. So she gets traffic and gets clicks. That's why she flips around and she has this lost esque podcast that never concludes a single thought. Now guess what, ladies and gentlemen. What did she just tweet two or three days ago that we think Tyler Robinson didn't act alone. But hold on a minute, Ian. You said she wasn't lying, but no, no, she already said Tyler Robinson didn't do it. So why is she now saying he didn't do it alone? You think she's telling you the truth?

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Tim Pool (45:52)

I don't. She's lying.

Ian Crossland (45:53)

I don't follow her personally.

Tim Pool (45:54)

And Milo played this game where he said, you're doing mind reading. No, no. That applies to Donald Trump being a bloviating blowhard when he says things that are not true. And then we're asking, did he actually know that or is he just saying things Cuz he just does it right? Cuz he's wrong. You can be wrong. When Candace insinuates the security team that tended to Charlie Kirk didn't provide aid or were in on it, and she hired those very same people, she's lying. Now, I will say this. I will say this. I have spoken with security sources who have informed me of this. We will see what this turns into. And I am working on getting these people to come on the show to explain all of this. But one thing I want to add for everybody out there who doesn't know this, there is one big company that does security for everybody. I forgot the name of it. And we Always get asked if we use them. We don't. But there's one company that does security for basically everybody. So this has come up before. I'm the first one to bring it up, but I recently had a conversation and there are people right now and there are moves being made because Candace is overtly lying. So it'll be interesting when it comes out who these security guys are and who she has worked with to then make claims about them.

Ian Crossland (47:13)

It is possible that she is. Can't.

Tim Pool (47:15)

I don't.

Ian Crossland (47:16)

You know, I try not to talk about people behind their back. Candace, if you were here, it'd be easier to say this to your face. It's possible that you are a lying grifter piece of shit and you always have been.

Tim Pool (47:23)

It's possible.

Ian Crossland (47:24)

I don't know. I saw some humanity in you. I think you really love Charlie and this has been around.

Tim Pool (47:29)

Why was she going around telling people she hated him?

Ian Crossland (47:31)

I don't know, man. I don't know. Because maybe she loved him and he rebuffed you, Candace. Maybe you loved him and he didn't want to be with you.

Tim Pool (47:37)

She was going around in the months before assassination privately telling people how much she hated him.

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Drew Ski (49:17)

You know, all I know is this is what's really unfortunate about this, is we're watching a renaissance right now in this country, watching real change happen that's never happened before. We're seeing a government moving quickly to. To right. A bunch of wrongs have been piled upon us. And whether you want to call the right conservatives, Republican, whatever, it's a movement, right? And this is something I deal with. You know, if I'm like, you know, one of the voices of the medical freedom movement, all the infighting and all these talking about, you know, is it controlled opposition? Oh, is Candace controlled opposition? And I get. I've been called controlled opposition. I mean, I always say, whether or not you're controlled opposition, if you're acting like it, this is tearing apart a movement right now. And I think we all have to check in with ourselves, our desire for drama, our desire to have like this, you know, Kim Kardashian experience or Real Housewives moment or Charlie's really not, you know, we want to bring down, you know, those that did great things. Charlie Kirk did amazing things. I mean, I worked very closely with him, helping. He was great in helping me get Bobby Kennedy with Donald Trump and bringing all that together. And to think that, you know, if you got Maha movement is a powerful movement, it's going to be huge in the midterms. But Charlie's ability to reach the young people and college students was this other powerful factor. These two groups, Bobby, you know, Maha and Charlie, and the work at turning point, I think are wide. Donald Trump is in the position that he's in. And I would say, why would anyone's motivation be to tear down any one of these movements right now, even? There's always problems. There's always bad leadership. There's also always bad people in around. You're trying to clean them out when you're doing the work yourself. But this is so detrimental to such a powerful movement, and it's undermining now where the kids should have been, you know, in college, you know, campuses having debate. What Charlie Kirk brought to this, Candace Owens, is just turning this into the disgusting, you know, mud wrestling, you know, shit, Fest, really, It's really. I'm sure the money is great, but not. I don't know what her motivations are. I just am always trying to speak to the people. Don't follow people that tear us apart. Like, you know, maybe they're having a bad day. Maybe she's off a rocker. I don't know. She might even have the truth. But what good is it doing? Even if it was true, what good is it doing? It's tearing apart. Great work that's been done. And kids and students that believe in an ideal.

Tim Pool (51:36)

What is true. You said even if it's true.

Drew Ski (51:39)

What? I mean, even if. Whatever she's saying, she's never said anything. Huh?

Tim Pool (51:43)

She's never said anything. Every single thing she does is ask a question about something that's unrelated. She's never concluded anything. Yeah, except that Charlie Kirk was betrayed by Turning Point. What does that even mean? When you come out and say, clearly she's insinuating the Turning Point killed Charlie, she goes, I never said that. Yeah, but the argument, they betrayed him. What does that mean?

Ian Crossland (52:00)

Even if someone says something that's true, but they use the truth in a way to divide and destroy a movement that's actually helping us, then that person that's speaking that truth is bad for society in that moment, and you should avoid that truth right now. That can happen. Some truths are not. It's not time, you know, I completely disagree. It's not always time to say what you're thinking. That's real, you know?

Tim Pool (52:20)

No, I think people should always tell.

Ian Crossland (52:22)

The truth with discernment.

Tim Pool (52:24)

Like for security clearance issues, you don't reveal certain information.

Ian Crossland (52:27)

If someone gets killed the next day, you don't go out and say, this is how I feel about that person. And these are all the things they said to me.

Tim Pool (52:31)

And I suppose you can have timing on your feelings. And we're talking about the idea of, like, a white lie. The idea is don't call your wife fat because you don't want to hurt her feelings. We're not talking about that. We're talking about a coalition that is fighting against very, very dangerous forces. Mask mandates, lockdowns, mandated medications. And the Republicans have not been great, but they've been better. And I will take speed bump for the machine state over voting for the machine state. And Candace will take throwing a stick of dynamite into this at the speed bump, allowing the machine state to carry on at full speed. Yeah, yeah.

Tate Brown (53:13)

I mean, well, Candace, fundamentally, she's. In my opinion. I don't know. You guys may Disagree. But in my opinion, she's downstream from the larger issue, which is the incentive structure that has been set up in the. And polemics, quite frankly, because Tim makes this point all the time, is that political commentary in many ways is dead. Because it's just about how can you generate the most unbelievable narratives, that sort of thing, hard hitting reporting, analysis, these sorts of things. These are boring people. You need to, you need shock and all these sorts of things. So all Candace is fundamentally doing here, among other things, is just responding to the incentive structures that are currently set up in political commentary.

Tim Pool (53:49)

I'll put it like this. I consider where we are right now, the off season. That's how we describe it. It's the holiday season, so it's the off season for the year. And then we're after a presidential election, so there's no big politics happening right now. Political and news shows are not the forefront. Currently we have around 40,000 people watching concurrent viewers. Ten months ago we had 80. So our concurrent viewership is much lower today, likely again to the holidays. But also, who cares about politics at this moment? Candace is having a renaissance herself.

Drew Ski (54:19)

How.

Tim Pool (54:20)

Look, if you want to increase viewership, you have to create the interest. And if we just talk about what is, people eventually say, I get it, I get it. When the elections are coming up, I'll pay more attention. Candace goes, bridget Macron's a man, they're trying to kill me. Israel's taking over and Charlie was killed by the French Foreign Legion. It's like just throwing the most psychotic things out there because it will get you those views at a time when people aren't really that interested.

Phil Labonte (54:49)

When is, Has Candace ever really talked about politics? She, she dances around political people and talks about drama, but she's not talking about.

Tim Pool (54:57)

She was at the Daily Wire.

Phil Labonte (54:58)

She did, yes, but I'm talking about. Well, fair enough, but since she started her own show, she hasn't been a political person. She's been a drama person. She's been talking about, you know, nothing that she's been talking about is actually about policy. She hasn't brought up any kind of. I don't think she talks about the border or any kind of, any kind of political issue at all. It's all about drama.

Tim Pool (55:21)

Here's the game she plays. It doesn't work with an audience like the one that we have, which is higher brow news, discerning individuals who are trying to fill in the gaps for things they largely know about and get the latest information up to date. But for a general audience, you can make a real interesting show by saying something like, I heard Israeli planes had been flying around Candace's house. Flying around her house? Why? What's Candace doing with Israel? Why is she doing that? You start saying things like that and what happens? People go out and they go, whoa. Why is Candace working with Israel? I never said that. I never even said that it was true. I just said I heard from who. There was a bomb in the alley on my way here, who was screaming about it. I heard it. Now I can say it and she can't sue me. This is the game that she's playing. And for regular people, they're entertained by it. But it is some of the most dangerous and vile political content there could be. That is, if you want to talk about Sasquatch. I really don't care if you want to claim that UFOs came and abducted your grandma and replaced her with Sasquatch. That sounds actually pretty funny. I'd listen to that. But if you're altering the voting patterns of people so that the machine state can take back over and do the things they did to us and engage in the evil they engaged in, I got problems with that.

Drew Ski (56:36)

I'm always amazed who keeps listening to someone that. That never finishes. I mean, I dealt with this a little bit with Bobby and the Olivia Nuzzi story, which she kept. Candace kept saying, I've got the facts, I'm dropping them on. Dropping tomorrow. Here it comes. Here it comes. Never came. You know where. How does our audience put up with that? I mean, I don't even understand that. Like, if you never watch Lost the goods, it's just Lost. They're just caught up in a never ending story.

Tim Pool (57:01)

You've got Lost. You've got from. Have you heard of the show from?

Ian Crossland (57:05)

No.

Tim Pool (57:06)

I am so offended by that show because even the name is lowbrow. Like Lost still insinuates something. It's like Lost on an island. You know what's going on. Every episode was just random nothing. Then you make the show from. And now it's like it references literally nothing. It just doesn't mean anything. And the show literally is meaningless. And then my least favorite of all is Severance. It's another one of these shows. And it's funny when I talk to people about it and they're like, this is not a mystery box show. I'm like, then what were the sheep for? The lambs. What was the room full of lambs for? Answer the question. It's all nothing. So that's why we're gonna Wrap up every Tim Cast IRL now with a cliffhanger to make people yearning to come back for more. So just don't forget, every time the show ends, we need to make a loud. We should. We should choose a random noise. Just like a random noise of some loud car crash or a clown or a shrieking woman. And then we'll be. And then we'll go, oh, my God. And you'll play a noise of, like, dogs barking. And we'll go. And then we'll just turn the show off. And then everyone's gonna be like, oh, man. Tune in next time to Tim Cast IRL to see what happened.

Ian Crossland (58:11)

I think we did a show where we. It was all empty chairs and it got more view. It had like 50,000 live viewers just watching an empty studio.

Tim Pool (58:18)

Well, that was because we got swatted.

Ian Crossland (58:19)

Yeah, we all, we all exited the building, but we left the show running for like an hour. And it was so. People love the drama. They're like, I want to see if they come back. I want to know what's.

Tim Pool (58:26)

And then the police walked in with the dog and walked around and everybody was. Clearership was going up.

Ian Crossland (58:33)

That's the brain. They want to know.

Phil Labonte (58:34)

I don't know.

Ian Crossland (58:35)

There's definitely some mammalian thing in there.

Tim Pool (58:37)

Let's. Let's. Let's talk about this.

Drew Ski (58:39)

Let's.

Tim Pool (58:39)

We got this story from the A.V. club. The trailer for Andy Serkis Animal Farm won't help you with your book report. The trailer for Andy Circus, an animated adaptation of Animal Farm, gets stranger as it goes in its defense. Even as Portugal, the band's feel, it still blares over the soundtrack. We can see the bones of Orwell's novella within the updates. The pigs reject slaughter, run off their farmer, and briefly find peace. Okay, here's the point. Angel Studios has acquired distribution rights for a film called Animal Farm. And the reason I say it's called Animal Farm because it has almost nothing to do with the book Animal Farm, which was allegory for the rise of Stalin and the faults of communism. This movie is about communists who succeed until an evil capitalist corrupts some of the pigs and then weasels their way back in. And it's the capitalism that disrupts the communist utopia. And mark my words, I'm willing to bet at the end of this film, the communist animals will succeed and have their successful communist utopia.

Phil Labonte (59:40)

This is actually reminiscent of a tweet that I saw, and I don't know if it was because of this show coming out or what, but there was a guy that was saying actually the, the, the original meaning of Animal Farm was that capitalism is bad because the pigs become like the farmer. And so it's actually a critique of capitalism. It's not a critique of socialism, which is totally retconning. Even, even what's his name? I forget the guy that wrote it, but George Orwell. Orwell. Even Orwell wrote that, that this was specifically a critique of, of communism. Critique of Stalinism and how the corrupting, you know, the corrupting feature of Stalinism is the people that are in power become better than all of the rest of the people. There's never a true communist utopia and it can't ever happen. But that fact is totally lost on, on this, it seems like it's totally lost on this new show because this is just going to totally spin the meaning of the, the original story.

Ian Crossland (60:39)

They, you know, communism generally devolves into vanguardism, which is what happens in Animal Farm. They say, hey, we're all in this together. And then a small group of them take over and they are capitalists, those guys, they're oligarchs and they trade with the people in the other farms that you don't ever see in the book. So you might want to blame. Hey, they're capitalists, those pigs. No, they used communism, that, the idea of communism to trick people into allowing their vanguard to take totalitarian control. That's what that book is about. And yes, of course they served in the capitalist monetary system. Why wouldn't you at that point? It's the best, least worst system we have.

Phil Labonte (61:12)

Yeah, I think that the. I'm a little, I have a different opinion on what the vanguard is because the vanguard was. According to Lenin, the vanguard was necessary to show basically the plebs that you need to have the socialist utopia. Ushered in the vanguard were a small minority that made everybody, basically made everybody else become communists.

Ian Crossland (61:37)

Those are the pigs in the book.

Tim Pool (61:40)

Okay, all right, the communists. So this is, once again we're on track for. I'll put this way, like every villain in every media is just Hitler. You know, not literally all the time, but most the bad guys are always one dimensional. And they try to have it be some kind of like supremacy problem. When you actually have media that would be great to show young people communism is bad, they turn it into capitalist bad. And some of the critiques are that the billionaire seems to be driving a cybertruck. And the story now apparently is that a big evil corporation runs factory farms for profit and the animals are gonna be slaughtered, fight back and take over and create a utopia where they get to sell their own services. The animals then begin selling their services to humans who are interested. And there's a scene where a chicken takes money from a human. They're like, yay. Then the evil corporation tries to take. Take the farm back and corrupts the pigs. The point is they have taken a book that is explicitly anti communist and turned it into purely anti capitalist. Because communists run Hollywood.

Ian Crossland (62:47)

It sounds like they're identifying problems in corporatocracy, which is interesting. Not what Animal Farm really was about, but the farmer was like the corporate autocrat. And so the corporatocracy is very dangerous. It's one of the downfalls of capitalism, is unchecked. Corporations can become their own governments and have their own territory and militaries. So you got to find a middle ground between pure corporatocracy and pure communist. You have. Well, not pure, you know, totalitarian. I guess you call it vanguardist. Because real communism does. Cannot easily exist, as far as I can tell.

Tim Pool (63:18)

Do you think Angel Studios just didn't do any research into this and acquired the rights because they thought it was actually Animal Farm?

Phil Labonte (63:24)

I mean, that's. That's kind of what I would hope. Because I would hope that Angel Studios wouldn't put this out if it's. If it's basically retconning Animal Farm. You know, the. The story in Animal Farm was pretty clear, and it was a great critique of communism, you know, and Stalinism, more to the point. But to retcon it and allow the story to be.

Tim Pool (63:45)

To create a pro communist message.

Phil Labonte (63:46)

Yeah, to be twisted. It's exactly for kids.

Tim Pool (63:48)

It's just we're in Las Vegas right now, of course, as everybody knows. And I've been hearing a lot about how Vegas is dying and year over year, tourism is down and just general attendance to shows and things like that. And I don't actually think it's because people don't want to go to Vegas. We had talked about this, and I was like, maybe it's probably because they're opening casinos everywhere. Why go to Vegas when you got a casino down the street from you? Right? I actually think it's because there's no kids. I think it's because we are in a major fertility crisis and population is shrinking, so everything population related is gonna shrink too. And it's gonna shrink in these associated ways. I bring this up because I don't know how concerned I am with them making a kid's movie for people who don't exist. Right.

Drew Ski (64:31)

Yeah, right. No kids to watch it.

Tim Pool (64:33)

We have many other problems with our country and that is what's going to happen next year as we're entering our. Technically, it's the second full year of no new labor market entrance or I should say minimal. So we talked about how last year actually. No, Yeah, I think 20, 25. So this year was supposed to be the year that 2007 finally hit. Financial crisis happens, nobody has kids. 18 years later we don't have kids entering universities, we don't have kids entering the job market. So now of course the Democrats are like open the borders and flood the country with new people who are going to fill these roles. But you can't because those 18 year olds were going to be going to college for specialty degrees. You can't replace management, education, management and training with Honduran farmers. So now with Trump and the deportations, I don't even know where we go next year in terms of property values, the economy in general. I think the economy is very, very bad right now. I think it's reflected in ad rates across the board on YouTube which in December should be massive. And they're not, they're stagnant. And this means that small businesses are not advertising.

Phil Labonte (65:53)

Yeah, I mean I don't, I don't have, I don't have any way to poke holes in that theory. You know, it is true that a lot of people have been putting off having kids for so long. I mean I'm 50 and I just had my first kid.

Tim Pool (66:05)

So what do you do, what do you do if next year the market's going to implode?

Ian Crossland (66:09)

Buy a house after it is gold. Put your crypto. I can't. This isn't, this isn't advice. But you put your crypto. You would put your crypto in like tether and hold like a stable coin. So when the value of bitcoin goes down $40,000, you buy the bitcoin back and you basically double your money.

Tim Pool (66:25)

But if gold is at $4,342. Yep, that's crazy.

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Phil Labonte (67:02)

That's a lot of money. I mean, when I first moved down to West Virginia to start coming on the show, I was buying gold coins at $2,000 a piece.

Tate Brown (67:10)

Yeah, yeah. Like what was it trading at five years ago?

Drew Ski (67:13)

Five years?

Tim Pool (67:13)

That's like 2000.

Drew Ski (67:14)

Gosh.

Phil Labonte (67:15)

It stay. It stayed very stable from like 2000.

Tim Pool (67:18)

Look at that.

Drew Ski (67:18)

12 to.

Tim Pool (67:19)

Nah, it was 18.

Phil Labonte (67:21)

1800.

Tate Brown (67:22)

And that was with the, with COVID Instability.

Tim Pool (67:26)

Look at this dude. In 2016 was a thousand.

Phil Labonte (67:28)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (67:30)

That's wild. So 2020 was crazy.

Phil Labonte (67:33)

Well, it's. But when we printed a boat, the.

Tim Pool (67:35)

Price, it, it is, it's, it's, it's the last year of Biden, really. The last year of Biden, it went from 2,000 to 3,000. And now Trump's been for a year. It's skyrocketing. I don't think people realize how cooked we are.

Phil Labonte (67:49)

What year was the first year that we started that we had to start paying 1,000 or, I'm sorry, a trillion dollars in interest payments. I don't know, last year. So I think that, honestly, I think that the number, the $1 trillion in interest payments per year to service our debt, I think that that kind of started resonating with people. That, that number, they were like, whoa.

Tim Pool (68:08)

Silver is at $64. Holy crap.

Phil Labonte (68:12)

I think that resonated with people and they were like, wow, I need to go ahead and save my money. Something that's, that's not going to lose value the way that, that everything else the way.

Tim Pool (68:21)

Bro, this is, this is crazy. 63 Silver peaked at 65 on Friday.

Phil Labonte (68:27)

This is a lot of money for nuts.

Drew Ski (68:30)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (68:30)

I've been like, what technology? What could we do that would really heal things? And I think of plumbing, I'm like, okay, what? Technology helps everybody. Plumbing helped everybody. We actually, we mentioned this on the green, the green room earlier. You were like, that was like the greatest technology of the 20th century, plumbing. So the roads, that's our like sociological plumbing. We can fix the roads.

Phil Labonte (68:47)

Particularly thousand libertarians, when you start brought.

Ian Crossland (68:49)

Up the roads, the roads. Well, I'm going to put graphene in the, in the asphalt, so they're going to last one and a half times longer and that will then help the economy because less construction means more time for, for trucks to get their goods they need.

Phil Labonte (69:03)

What about the people that won't be working on the roads right now? I mean, if there's always people fixing the roads, there's always economic activity paying the people to fix the roads, I.

Ian Crossland (69:12)

Think they'll Some people will lose their job, but the cost benefit will be higher. Like the value of having a more robust transportation system is outweighs the loss of those people out there pouring asphalt and stuff.

Tate Brown (69:24)

Well, in theory too, when the population retracts, then labor becomes more valuable, therefore people's labor demands more in the market. But the big problem in the west is that we've been backfilling the losses in population with immigration. So this is why the Trump administration is going to be a really interesting test for economists, because it'd be the first time where the labor market will properly retract. We won't have as many working age adults introduced into the economy. Therefore, in theory, Americans will have more money in their pockets to spend. It's all going to be one big test. Like you were saying, I mean, debt, debt, interest payments hit a trillion, our military budget's a trillion. So we're already paying our military budgets worth, it's 10% of America's GDP. There's other countries that have a similar interest to GDP ratio. Canada, Italy, unfortunately, Argentina, which probably doesn't put us in great standing, but it's true. I mean, we'll see, we'll see. As the labor market retracts, I'm gonna.

Tim Pool (70:15)

Tell you how crazy things are. So I just pull this up on Google. Top 1% salary. It says to be in the top 1% of US earners in 2025, you generally need over 700,000 to nearly 1.1 million annually, depending heavily on the state. With cost areas like Connecticut, Massachusetts and California requiring the most, around a million. The national average is closer to 731,000, but varies. So they say maybe 731 to about $794,000. Five years ago it was about 500,000. Ten years ago it was about 375,000. This is not that people are making more money and succeeding. It is that we are experiencing rapid inflation. I don't say hyperinflation because it's a literal term, but inflation is absolutely insane. Over the past five years that we are now looking at, in order to be the top 1%, your salary must be doubled. They are not saying the 1% are doing better than ever. They're saying your money is worth nothing, your buying power is gone. Right.

Tate Brown (71:18)

Well that's where they're like 7% inflation. And everyone that makes 15 bucks an hour is looking at the McChicken go from a dollar to $4 in like five years. And they're saying, well, even if it's 7% on the whole, in the places where it matters to me, that's where my wallet's being hit and people are feeling the pinch. And then you look at numbers like this where it's skyrocketing. I mean, it's getting rough out there.

Tim Pool (71:37)

I think there have been a lot of predictions that we're gonna face a major market crash next year. I don't know if you've heard anything.

Ian Crossland (71:44)

Like that, but it looks mathematically like it's going to happen within the next two years.

Tim Pool (71:49)

Yeah. And you know, they say that like every, every eight to 10 years is a major crash. You can look at the market and I don't know how you sustain these housing prices. They're absolutely insane right now. And these salary numbers, you know, it freaks me out when I come to somewhere like Vegas or go to these casinos and I'm wondering how it is that people can spend the money they spend. We were actually at the MGM a couple weeks ago in Maryland and I can't remember who I was hanging out with. It might have been, might have been Brandon. But I was saying, I was looking around all these people, I'm like, how can these people afford to gamble like this? You know, they go to MGM and they got these table games where it's like three card poker. For instance, those who don't know it's $50 to play for your auntie, they'll give you three cards. Then you got to pay $50 again to see the dealer's card. See if you win, then they got bonus bets, which is, they've got, they've got the pair bonus and the six card bonus. That's 50 bucks as well. So if you're playing a full hand of this, you're looking about 250 bucks. 200, 250 bucks. And I'm like, who is sitting at this table with 10 grand to play consistently this amount of money? How does it make sense? I think it was Brandon who pointed out that there's like 8% of the U.S. population are millionaires.

Phil Labonte (73:04)

Yeah. So 1 in 10 or something like that.

Tim Pool (73:06)

1 in, 1 in 10. And then I realized it's not that they're millionaires, it's that that's just, they're just middle class. It used to be that middle class people had disposable income and would go to casinos and play games and be like, well, you know, now the wealthy are being called wealthy, but their buying power is like these people that we are looking at, they might make like 300k a year. So they're pulling in, you know, 20, maybe like 17, 18 of your taxes or whatever every month. And they only need about 10. So they have a couple grand, and then they go to the casino once every few months maybe, and they play a grand or two or something like that because they have disposable income. Now we look at these people and we look at them as wealthy. Basically, what I'm saying is it is skewing so dramatically from poor to rich. The divide is getting so massive that what was once the middle class now looks to be the wealthy elites.

Phil Labonte (73:57)

Yeah. I just saw something today that said that Elon Musk is the first person ever to be worth 600 billion. And it's a big number, but he's worth that much money, not just because he's got valuable companies, but because the dollar has been, you know, losing value for so long.

Tim Pool (74:15)

You know, Andrew Tate has a. Actually a pretty good video on this where he explains wealth. And he said, if you know how much money you have, your poor. He said, rich people. Rich people don't know how much money they have. He was like, he goes, for me, I've got $50 million in a stock account. I don't even know what it's worth. And if I can even take it out, it's just there and I don't know the number is. So it's like I don't even know how much money I have. My investments are all over the place. My properties are various values. I don't even know. And it's like, so if you open your bank account and you know how much money if you're not rich.

Tate Brown (74:43)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (74:44)

And that's basically what he's describing. So when you mention, you know, elon Musk and 600 billion, there's a certain level where you stop thinking of money as money. Like I'm saying, like, we as people should look at someone like Elon and say, he's not rich, he's just in charge.

Tate Brown (74:57)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (74:58)

He will never be poor. He will never lose his money. Nothing you can do about it so long as he's in the system. And what that really means is not that he is rich. It doesn't mean he can buy something. It means he can do whatever he wants.

Phil Labonte (75:10)

Yep.

Tate Brown (75:10)

Yep.

Tim Pool (75:11)

And not only that, with his media reach, people will. Basically, most people, even those who claim to hate him, I bet if he went to them and said, I have a million dollars through name on it, if you just stop saying that, they'd be like, done. Whatever you say, Elon, that's What? That's what it means to have that kind of money.

Tate Brown (75:25)

Well, that's what Trump, Trump said famously. He said it's not even about the money, it's about keeping score. So it's like, it's true. I mean you have these like Saudi princes where who knows how much money they have. Like, they probably are just like I'm about three and a half Latvia's worth. Like it's insane the amount of wealth that they have. As far as your point with, with Zoomers, you know, and Casino, I think part of it is just because zoomers are inherently really risk averse for a variety of reasons.

Tim Pool (75:48)

That's why you see aren't risk averse.

Tate Brown (75:50)

They are risk averse.

Tim Pool (75:51)

Zoomers are gambling like crazy, bro.

Tate Brown (75:54)

It's, it's not like traditional gambling though. It's like, it's a lot of like sports gambling, these sorts of things. But generally like temperamentally, they're very risk averse. Like, this is why the marriage rate's very low. Among other reason is because it's just, it's, it's a big lift to, to jump into something like that. There's benefits. The divorce rate's never been lower, which is an upside.

Tim Pool (76:13)

Haha.

Tate Brown (76:13)

No, it's true. Like literally the divorce rate has never been lower in the United States because zoomers are so hesitant to get married that when they finally deceit again decide to get married, they're like, this is the one. This is the, this has to be the one.

Tim Pool (76:24)

Yeah, but dude, zoomers are gambling like crazy. I don't, I, I don't maybe risk averse is the way to describe it, but they're gambling like crazy.

Tate Brown (76:31)

As far as like in casinos, that.

Tim Pool (76:33)

They'Re all trying to be gambling influencers.

Tate Brown (76:36)

Yeah. You have a sec? Yeah, you have a segment. But I think like the, among the general zoomer population, they're just, you don't see them. And this is, again, there's some benefits and there's also downsides is they're not. Their alcohol consumption is down dramatically. Nicotine consumption, a variety of factors, which just indicates again, it's good and bad. Like there was recently, there was this bus, I think it was like in Arizona where the police came and they shut down this party that had like 800 zoomers there because they're all underage drinking. And everyone made the point like, we're not celebrating underage drinking. But you also arrested the only zoomers in the state of Arizona that like have any propensity to take on risk.

Tim Pool (77:10)

Or to actually engage in social activities that as well.

Tate Brown (77:14)

So it's like that's part of the reason zoomers are so atomized is because of the risk aversion, because it's risky to go out in public. Like you could make a fool yourself. Who knows these things happen. But that's like part of life and for a variety of reasons. I'll use the word, people point out, use this word too much. But it's because zoomers didn't properly matriculate. It's obvious. I mean my micro generation, which is like 99 to 04 became adults during COVID They didn't properly pick up on social cues, conventional ways of socializing, these sorts of things. And as a result you're just seeing people not really pushing for what they want in life because again, they're just afraid of what if I fail?

Tim Pool (77:48)

So what does his country turn into then? I think this is a component of the hyperinflation. I think I'm willing to bet a lot of this is we don't have the tax income anymore. So the purpose of the income tax is not to fund services, it's to offset inflation. The US government just prints money, takes on debt and then taxes you to pay that down and pull money from the system. Basically it's a circuitous way of saying yeah, they're taking your money so they can fund programs, but they're buying in deficit. I think this inflation is very obvious. Following the COVID lockdowns, they just pumped money in the system saying if people have money, they'll buy stuff. Well, we know what happens with inflation. I think what we're looking at right now is without young people, without that tax base, the government is pumping money into a system that's not putting labor into the system. So we are seeing massive inflation.

Drew Ski (78:43)

And it's going to be a very difficult election cycle and probably for maybe even decades to come. Because I think you're right at this point, no one coming, you know, out of college thinks there's any future for them. I mean, I'm trying to think. I mean I have a 17 year old kid, I got one more year with him in the house. I've been really self focused on my own career. What I'm doing now all of a sudden I'm thinking what am I supposed to tell you to start focusing on? He wants to be a lawyer. Lawyers are gone. AI is going to wipe off lawyers, it's also going to wipe out doctors. Like all the good jobs are going to disappear and then. But are you really going to I mean, honestly, we can, you can talk about it. You can wipe. Mike Rowe, I just did his podcast recently. Great guy. But when you're sitting there, am I going to tell my 17 year old kid to take on like a blue collar job, like go learn how to be a plumber or a carpenter? I mean, are we, you know, it takes, I mean, you can say it, you know, that there's a future there. You know, in some way that's where this country is going. But I'm the first generation that's looking at a kid. Am I going to actually tell him? That's what I want you to do. That's what I think you should do. You know, forget your brain. You're doing great. You got straight A's. It didn't mean anything because that's going to take you nowhere.

Tim Pool (79:48)

We had Gary, the numbers guy on the show. Was it like a week or two ago and a week ago. And you know, I know a lot of people goofed on him because the numerology stuff because they think it's silly, but he was right when he said AI is coming. You got about three years to get your bag and then you're. And then you're out. And he's like, the rich are going to live in gay guys.

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Tim Pool (81:03)

Visit t mobile.com to communicate communities where they own and control things and the poor will never have have a means of doing anything. And it's not just about AI, it's about population collapse. You need new low skill labor coming in and we don't have it. The Democrat solution was just open the borders. The Republican solution is not talk about it, I guess.

Tate Brown (81:23)

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you see these moments of. It's actually kind of interesting. You'll see throughout history these moments of intense, of intense innovation when people can sense that a great filter is sort of coming down. Like a good example is like apartheid South Africa in the 80s, you actually saw a lot of technological development because people feared that when the regime was turned over, it was changed, that there would be this rift where the middle class would eviscerate and people would either retreat negated communities or they would be in these kind of, these slums or have to leave the country. And this happens like throughout history. And I think in the United States you're seeing this great filter being set up where we're going to be atomized, upper class and then the lower class. There won't really be a middle class. And that's causing people to. That's why you're seeing so many of these get rich schemes. That's why you're seeing people scamming each other. Because I think a lot of people are, that are paying attention, are very keenly aware that the hammer is coming down. Kind of the Trump administration is successful, then we won't have to deal with this. But I don't know, I think, I think people are fully aware of what's coming.

Tim Pool (82:26)

I don't, I don't think there is a way. There is no solution to this problem. There is only preparing for what's going to come and then preparing how we resolve the next 20 years.

Ian Crossland (82:35)

Well, I think there are solutions, though. I think there are economic solutions.

Phil Labonte (82:39)

Don't say graphene. What's that? Don't say graphene.

Ian Crossland (82:41)

Material science.

Tim Pool (82:42)

All right, let's start with this. There is a massive.

Ian Crossland (82:43)

I mean, if you cut me off, you'll never hear the solution.

Tim Pool (82:46)

Right? So we're gonna start with the premise of the conversation because I'm trying to make sure you don't derail. That's the point.

Ian Crossland (82:50)

I'm trying to solve the problem.

Tim Pool (82:51)

So the problem right now is a massive lack of entry level training trainees and labor. What is your proposed solution?

Ian Crossland (82:59)

Import them.

Tim Pool (83:00)

So, okay, so Democrat solution.

Ian Crossland (83:01)

I'm open to that. I'm open to the version of that. Yeah.

Tim Pool (83:04)

Right.

Ian Crossland (83:04)

So import menial labor if you need it.

Tim Pool (83:06)

That was stated.

Ian Crossland (83:07)

Have more babies.

Tim Pool (83:09)

Right. That having more babies won't actually solve the problems. It takes 18 years.

Ian Crossland (83:12)

Import the labor. If you, if you drastically need human labor, you import the labor they used to attack countries and conquer them and take them because they need, they're coming here free will.

Phil Labonte (83:20)

They took them as slaves.

Tate Brown (83:21)

But it's also not the opposite.

Drew Ski (83:24)

Really.

Tate Brown (83:25)

Well, let's grant the argument even that like there's no downsides to immigration. Like it's literally just free labor or slavery. Sure, sure, let's just grant, let's grant that. Let's say there's no like societal implications or even other like external economic factors. The birth rate across the developing world is dropping precipitously as well. Like Mali was at like nine kids like five years ago, now they're at like five. India's gone sub replacement. So it's like at a certain point we're gonna have to look to technology to backfill labor because you can't even if again you were to just grant every neoliberal argument about immigration, you're going to run out of people in the next 50 to 100 years to bring in anyway. Just speaking like math wise, there is, there's a.

Tim Pool (84:05)

What was the documentary called we talked about on the show? It's called like the Birth Gap or something like that. There is no civilization in the history of this planet that has recovered from a birth rate at this level.

Phil Labonte (84:14)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (84:14)

The reason is once it goes underneath replacement, you cannot produce enough to get out of that hole. So the civilization collapses and then people scatter and then slowly make a difference, a different society or different civilization out of it. It.

Tate Brown (84:30)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (84:31)

So I don't know, maybe we all plug our brains in and eat the bugs and live in the pods.

Phil Labonte (84:35)

Well, I'm not as black pilled as some other people are about, about robotics and about you know, basically AI and stuff like that. I do think that there's going to be a lot, a lot of jobs that essentially robots are going to do. And I'm talking about humanoid robots because we live in a humanoid shaped world.

Tim Pool (84:52)

Right.

Phil Labonte (84:52)

Like a man shaped world. It's the world that we've designed. So the idea that you know, right now your car can drive you places, they're doing the Tesla taxis and they're doing the Waymos and stuff and of course they're imperfect but that, that technology is going to improve. But when you have the ability to, to have a robot that cost you 30,000, 25 $30,000 or whatever that can be trained to do something that a human can do. Now you're going to see a lot of companies that are going to say, I can buy this robot for 30, even if it's $50,000, right? You're buying that robot for $50,000. That's less than you're have to pay a human being to do it for a year.

Tim Pool (85:29)

Right?

Phil Labonte (85:29)

So you make your money back in one year. You're not gonna have to pay health insurance for the robot, obviously, there might be repairs and stuff like that, but you can have, have robots do a lot of the jobs. And I know a lot of people are like, oh, you know, you're just asking for Skynet and et cetera. I don't think that that's the future that we're in for, but I do think that robotics will be able to do a lot of the things that, that humans do now. And this is basically like, whether you like them or not, this is basically the argument that Musk makes. He's like, look, look, in the future there's going to be some displacement and there's going to be, there's going to be, you know, growing pains to get to this point. But in the future you're going to have robots doing things that human beings do now, and there's going to be a lot more free time for humans. And I understand that there, there's the possibility of a crisis of meaning what are people going to do? Because a lot of people keep them alive.

Drew Ski (86:14)

Like, this argument blows my mind. Like, we're all going to sit around and launch smoking weed, video games, and then the elite 1% are going to get together once in a while, say, I want to vote a raise to all the people that aren't working. Because I've seen that happen throughout society, you know, for centuries. I don't mean there's no way it's going to be a planet of useless eaters and that's how they're going to be seen.

Phil Labonte (86:33)

I don't, I don't imagine AI will.

Drew Ski (86:35)

Be a part of the conversation of how quickly can we get rid of them because they're just draining on the system.

Phil Labonte (86:41)

Like, I, I don't imagine. Well, first of all, I, I don't think that human, I don't think that the Earth can't support the number of people that we have. And if we're talking about a, a birth crisis, right, we're not having enough kids, and that's global, then the problem of supporting human beings isn't actually a problem of, of tapping the resources, you know, or, or stressing the resources that the earth has. There will actually be fewer human beings because we have had fewer children. And again, I'm not saying that it's going to be that it's going to be without its growing pains or whatever, but I do think that a lot of the problems that we're seeing now or that we're concerned with can be filled by robots.

Tate Brown (87:16)

Well, yeah, the birth, the whole birth rate conversation has to be reframed because that's mostly focused around economics. And like, I do agree that to a certain, to a certain extent, like, people aren't having kids because of housing prices, etc. But there's countries like Hungary, Japan, South Korea who have incentivized people to have children with economic incentive incentives like Hungary. They'll buy you a minivan, they'll give you tax breaks, these sorts of things. And it hasn't really moved the needle on the birth rate in any meaningful way. So you really have to address, you have to address a crisis of meaning. That's not to say that economics don't have an impact. Like, one of my favorite stats is that South Korea has a birth rate, I think, like 1.2 around there in Seoul, it's like 0.6. I mean, it's devastating. And North Korea has a birth rate of 3.2. So it's like, wow. You also can't evaluate economic economics, like, entirely because, yeah, if you were to contrast and compare those two systems just from like, the position of birth rates, you would conclude that the North Korean system is a better system. It's obviously not true. But at the same time, like, you do have to sort of address the deeper problems that cause the birth rates to go negative. Like, the most common stat, obviously, is that when women are educated at a certain level, the birth rate drops precipitously because they are able to enter the workforce, they are able to provide an income for themselves. So they lose the need for a male to be like a provider.

Drew Ski (88:31)

But I think you even got to look at teen pregnancy. I mean, sexuality is down. Right? I mean, we have an asexual society. We're on the verge. I mean, you talk to pediatricians, there's kids that are coming in that aren't choosing any side. They're just completely asexual. So I mean, this thing is, it's chemical, it's physical. It's like, it's, it's not just housing prices and things like that. Yeah, I mean, our kids aren't even deciding to drive a car. I can't believe it. I have friends who's, you know, teenagers, like 18, still don't have a driver's license. Everyone. In my generation, as soon as you could drive, you were the hell out.

Phil Labonte (89:00)

Of it right away.

Drew Ski (89:01)

Like never to be seen again.

Phil Labonte (89:02)

Yeah.

Drew Ski (89:03)

And instead they're living at home. They're not going. And whether they're. They're watching, you know, I guess they're playing video games and stuck on X and YouTube and this is living a life like they're not alive.

Tim Pool (89:14)

I looked. I looked up the what top 1% over the past 15 years. In 2010, $221,000 a year or higher put you in the top 1%.

Drew Ski (89:26)

That's hard for me to believe.

Phil Labonte (89:28)

That's. That is.

Tim Pool (89:28)

That's kind of crazy one. But by 2012, it was 434. These are the 2012 by 2012.

Ian Crossland (89:35)

Is that just.

Tim Pool (89:36)

Is that. So this is. This is. This is coming off of the. The 221,000 is probably because of the financial crisis.

Phil Labonte (89:41)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (89:42)

Everybody lost their jobs. Salaries plummeted, but it remained somewhat stable. About half a million for several years. 2021, after Covid, it went to 682. 2022 dropped down to 560. 61. 2023 went to 794, dropped down to 6, 660. And 2025 was 731. But I asked Google AI why Gemini? And it also mentions executive pay. And I think this is another big component of why we are seeing salaries go up. It's not just that there is inflation. Look at gold price and silver. That's true. I think we're looking at a lack of capability. So you mentioned these young people are sitting around playing video games, not doing anything. Yep. They're not getting skills, and they're not figuring out how to make money or do anything meaningful.

Drew Ski (90:24)

And there's no job to even learn how to pour a Starbucks because grandma's in there because her retirement's not coming through for whatever reason. I mean, everywhere you go, all the jobs that used to be my. The job I got at McDonald's at 15 years old or 16, when you could finally get your first job, it's all like elderly people that are taking those because they're great workers. They know how to do it. They're going to show up. They're not difficult to work with. And so you got no entry point for these. I mean, I know I sound like a dad. Totally a dad right now. Like, I'm stressed I got a teenager. I'm like, what the hell are you going to do? This world is totally jacked.

Tate Brown (90:56)

Well, you know, your point earlier is it's so salient because you were talking about how the entire like conversation and the way we understand sexuality in the.

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Tate Brown (91:37)

Inverted. Like it's a bit of a joke, but it's true. It's like horny men do build civilization. Like they do these things because of women. They want to provide for women, they want to attract women, these sorts of things. But the way that like sexuality is presented to America, young American men is like the most degenerate aspects of sexuality are celebrated and promoted. Like pornography, stripping only fancy.

Tim Pool (91:58)

So low T, huh?

Tate Brown (92:00)

Well, and, but then the most, the most valuable aspects of sexuality are punished. Like women that want to stay at home and work, or men that, you know, have a healthy attraction to women. These sorts of things are punished. And so it's like when you completely invert and invert our understanding of sexuality, completely invert the incentive structures. Men are going to become demoralized. Men won't want to work hard because, you know, like I said earlier, horny men build the West. If you're not actually seeking to build a place for a family and to provide for your family, then what's the point of working? What's the point of working really hard and then coming home to an empty apartment?

Tim Pool (92:32)

But they, but they do also destroy the world because the Internet was made by horny men. That's true. So early Internet was not. And then one day some guy was like, hey, I know how our computers can like do email and stuff, but I want to see a picture of a naked woman. And they were like, we got to.

Phil Labonte (92:46)

Make faster Internet, put boobs on it.

Tim Pool (92:48)

So they, they were like, how can we increase the speed of Internet so that we can show boobs?

Drew Ski (92:54)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (92:54)

And they figured it out and now we're all being cooked because our culture is breaking down and people are just on the Internet.

Ian Crossland (92:59)

You just got to talk about your penis more, man. You're a man, be vocal about it. You got to be comfortable with sex. We need to make sexuality normalized to talk about. And I'm not talking about grotesque X rated conversations. We're just talking about your sexy body, your ripped abs. Phil knows what I'm talking about. He's laughing at this. Your giant member, all that stuff, man. Make her pregnant, get that woman fertilized, have your baby.

Tim Pool (93:22)

But women don't want to be with guys. And guys have low testosterone because they don't chop lumber anymore.

Ian Crossland (93:27)

Got to run that infrared light on your nutsack. Apparently, according to John Otto last week.

Tim Pool (93:32)

It increases sunning your balls.

Ian Crossland (93:34)

Testosterone.

Tim Pool (93:34)

That's right. Also, chopping wood apparently is like in boost your testosterone more than any hanging.

Ian Crossland (93:40)

From a tree branch too. Particularly tree branches.

Phil Labonte (93:42)

Guys. Deadlift. Deadlifts.

Tim Pool (93:46)

I don't know. I like the idea of chopping wood.

Tate Brown (93:48)

Yeah, wood or strange Chinese peptides. If you just want to skip all the hard work, you could just do that.

Tim Pool (93:53)

Doesn't that, doesn't that mess you up though?

Tate Brown (93:55)

Oh, especially the strange Chinese ones.

Drew Ski (93:57)

Yeah, yeah.

Tate Brown (93:58)

It's a big problem.

Tim Pool (93:59)

Is that what's going on, people?

Phil Labonte (93:59)

Random animals.

Tim Pool (94:00)

These Gen Z guy. What's going on? Like, you know, the Internet is making everybody go insane, right? Like that, that, that claviclist guy, whatever his name.

Tate Brown (94:07)

Clavicle.

Tim Pool (94:08)

Yeah, yeah. He's, he's getting a lot of attention now because he's nuts.

Tate Brown (94:11)

Crystal meth for hollow cheeks. It's a method.

Tim Pool (94:13)

That's what he said, right?

Tate Brown (94:14)

You know, not, not medically vetted, bro.

Tim Pool (94:16)

Y' all need church.

Tate Brown (94:18)

No, that's a very salient point. We do need, need church because it provides structure for our lives. Otherwise we're just in the wind.

Tim Pool (94:24)

Community.

Ian Crossland (94:25)

We need community, man. I was a theater kid. That's where I got my love for people. I, I age 14 to 20. Yeah, it was every day, 10 hours. Not every day, but three hours a day. Let's get together, let's do this. It wasn't about you, it was about the group.

Tate Brown (94:36)

And that's, I mean that's part of the reason like relationships, marriage formation is break because young people don't have the touch points to interact with the opposite sex. It just never occurs. And so for men, again, when it's like when there's no, there's no available partners, like I've said it before, where the hose at is a very salient question in today's society. Like men are just going to hang it up. They're just going to say, well, it's Easier to just, like, take the buyout and, like, smoke weed and play video games all day, because it's like, what else? What's on offer? Like, they. College really is. This is why college actually is valued so much in American society is. It's not even really valued for the education anymore, obviously. It's valued because it's the last instance in a young person's life where they're surrounded by young people entirely. Because after that, you go into the workplace, you're probably going to be the youngest person in the workplace. By my first corporate job, I was, like, the second youngest person was, like, 15 years older than me. So it's like, that's part of the reason college is so worshiped as a part of American civic life is because for young people, it's their last time being around other young people. And you ask boomers, like, when they first entered the workplace, they were surrounded by young people, and they're probably equally as ambitious. The same interest, these sorts of things. That's just not occurring for young people anymore.

Tim Pool (95:42)

It is. It is. You know, it's really funny about Vegas is that when you drive down, there was a Sammy Hagar ad I saw, and I was like, wow. You know? And David Copperfield.

Drew Ski (95:52)

I know. Wow. And he's been on here for the one he had 40 years ago. What does this guy look like? I want to go see it just to see what the hell does he look like.

Phil Labonte (95:59)

Look, Sammy sounds great.

Tim Pool (96:01)

But the point is, why isn't Vegas? Like, it's not a real question. Rhetorical. But the question would be, why is Vegas not having younger musicians and celebrities and stars? Because there aren't any. Because there aren't young people.

Ian Crossland (96:15)

Or Bo Burnham is like, why would I go to Vegas? I can just perform here.

Drew Ski (96:19)

Young people. Young people have the money to come see it. Like, the only people that have money is the boomers that are the last. I mean, this whole town is designed to entertain those that still have.

Tim Pool (96:30)

Vegas will cease to exist in 15, 20.

Drew Ski (96:32)

I think you're right about that.

Tate Brown (96:33)

You will see young people, like, turn out in huge numbers for artists like Taylor Swift, for artists like Sabrina Carpenter.

Tim Pool (96:40)

So, like, Sabrina Carpenter, I'm not even sure, but she was doing arenas.

Drew Ski (96:43)

Their own money.

Tate Brown (96:44)

Yeah. I'm just saying, like, you will see moments where, like, young people will, like, gravitate towards an artist, but they're just not this, like, magnanimous cultural touchstone where everyone's on the same page. Like, most of these artists that, like, my entire Spotify rap is going to be completely different from someone my age with the exact same background versus if they existed in the 80s. Your Spotify rap, it's probably going to be the same. Like 80% of Americans are probably the same lineup.

Phil Labonte (97:08)

Yeah, yeah.

Tim Pool (97:08)

But these Vegas shows aren't stadiums.

Tate Brown (97:10)

Yeah. So it's like it's impossible to generate an artist large enough to even like Taylor Swift's the Last One. And even then she still kind of comes from that monoculture era.

Tim Pool (97:17)

But Sabrina Carpenter was selling out arenas, like 10k tickets, right?

Tate Brown (97:20)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (97:21)

And Metallica does stadiums with like 90,000 seats. And so Vegas.

Drew Ski (97:26)

But those tickets were like $25. They're like $600 now. Right. So again, it's so elitist. We're killing it all the.

Phil Labonte (97:33)

Around those arenas that, that are like 90,000. They just played. They played so far a couple years ago and I was there and it was.

Tim Pool (97:39)

I'm saying that Sabrina Carpenter could play in Vegas, but she's not. Yeah, because young. Your point? Young people aren't. They don't come here. And I just, I think the reality is there aren't young people.

Tate Brown (97:49)

Young people don't really go anywhere. There's not really like a town in America that's like the young people pilgrimage spot may. Maybe Nashville, and that's pushing doesn't really exist outside of that New York City to some degree, but now New York City.

Tim Pool (98:01)

So what you're saying is the business opportunity right now, physical place that young people want to be at, it's a good idea.

Tate Brown (98:08)

I mean, I mean, in theory, yeah. But it's like, I imagine we have the brightest strategic marketing minds trying to.

Tim Pool (98:14)

Crack that question now because we talked about this a while ago. If, if you are a. If you, if you own a venue, let's say you got 90,000 seats and someone comes to you and says, I'm a promoter, I work with these big labels. We got a bunch of artists. We want to do these, this tour. We've got Metallica, Beyonce, and you know, Sammy Hager, I don't know, whatever, he's probably gonna sell in arena. But we got Metallica, we got Beyonce, we got Taylor Swift. They go, okay, that sounds fantastic. You know, Taylor Swift is now, what, she's like 37. And so they go, oh, that's great. We'll sell those seats. Gen Z. This company's not going to pitch Gen Z to the stadium because they're going to go, no one's going to buy those tickets. So the issue is there's a tremendous market opportunity to target Gen Z. But if you are a mainstream promoter looking to book out big shows, you're not bothering with it.

Tate Brown (99:04)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (99:05)

So right now for the entry level, if you're a Gen Z person, your opportunity is to start doing shows and make a space or venues that Gen Z want to be at. Because you're getting neglected. Because people are like, look, boomers are living to 500 years old now. We're gonna sell tickets to them. They've got three houses, they own all the corporate equities. They can afford it. Why bother shifting our business model? Gen Z?

Tate Brown (99:30)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (99:30)

And it's being run by boomers themselves. Gen Z needs to actually start building and cultivating these spaces and that's where you're gonna make your money. Well, you're gonna make not as much money as you like. Boomers have all the cash right now, but in 10 years, whoever builds the Gen Z space will have all the cash.

Tate Brown (99:46)

The problem with Gen Z is you can only appeal to half of it. So it's an increasingly small population and then within that it's completely stratified by gender, like by sex. Rather like if you look at like a Michael Jackson concert, it's gonna be fairly mixed. It's gonna be men and women. But with Gen Z, there's not really any artists that have crossover with both sexes and mass scale. Like with Taylor Swift, it's. Or Sabrina Carpenter, it's 95% women. And Connor Tomlinson, as he demonstrated on Twitter. So it's like you're appealing to half of the population at best. And it's already an infinitesimal compared to.

Tim Pool (100:23)

Yeah, I blame the Internet. It's bifurcating. Yeah, it's not just bifurcating, it's Tratigillian bricating. It's stratifying. It is granularizing everything into its most basest, unique little snowflake form where no one will agree on anything. Everyone's gonna live in an AI bubble and they're gonna be like, my music is so indie. I made it myself and you'll never hear it. Yeah, that's where we're going.

Drew Ski (100:52)

But. But that is what the geniuses are all focused on. That is the total globalist system. It's not designed to put them in stadiums. They don't want them out and about. They want them in a 15 minute city, a five minute city. Then they want to just dip them into. I mean, I keep thinking the matrix I keep looking at life is how close am I to the tub of jelly? They're going to lower me into where I'M vicariously living a life.

Tim Pool (101:11)

To be honest, we're like a week away from Joe Rogan advocating the tub of jelly rejuvenation. It's good for your bones.

Drew Ski (101:19)

Like growing up in Boys Boulder. Like, I grew up with environment, you know, we're environmentalists. I still am. I still want, like, clean water. I want to go fishing with my kid. I want conservation. I want things like that. I'm not. I don't want an authoritarian government. I don't want carbon credit scores. But all of this, like in the Democrats, the party that used to carry and toe that line, don't realize they're about to make national parks illegal. They're already starting up in Canada. I mean, this, this hatred of ourselves and human beings and separating ourselves from nature and hide us in housing is getting so severe that it is only going to be elitists that are going to go to Yellowstone, be like, you're not allowed in here because human beings are bad for nature. So this idea, they're totally taking us and our kids. They don't want them in a stadium. They don't want them out and about. They don't want them in town. They want them in their houses in front of their computers and. And don't ever leave. I mean, that is what they're being designed to do. And then, you know, if they figure out how to make money doing that, great. If they don't, you know.

Tate Brown (102:14)

Well, it's like, I mean, it goes back to my earlier point where when you're seeing these metrics like alcohol use, and I'm a Christian, like, I don't encourage these things for lifestyle, but this isn't a result of like Christian prudishness. This is a result of really just fear and improper matriculation. I use the word again, but it's true. And it's like, yeah, this is. There's something fundamentally broken here. Fundamentally. I think to your point, there is an attempt to basically turn people, rob them of their identity, every identity that God gave them, and turn them into a consumer. Fundamentally. Like, I want your identity to be in what TV shows you consume or what NFL team you support, being American, Christian, etc. That's not important. You can get rid of that. Cut that loose. Even your sex, you could change that. But are you a Captain America fan? Okay, well, you should be wearing your Captain America T shirt everywhere you go because that's fundamentally what they want to reduce it down is purchasable identities.

Ian Crossland (103:10)

Yeah, I think your identity, it's not. There's an attempt to make you believe that your identity is what you think you are, that's who you are. But the reality is your identity is what you've done.

Tate Brown (103:20)

Well, I think a lot of your identity is intrinsic and they're trying to rob that because it debases you and it deracinates you and there's market incentive for that. And also the self hatred like they hate people that are secure in their identity and strong and these sorts of things. And it's actually really effective to just destabilize them because I mean not to get conspiratorial but if you're trying to ensure your control over a system, your regime's control over the system. The last thing you want is renegade. And someone that's really secure in their identity is inherently going to be a renegade because they're going to look at everything around them that's slop and be like I don't fit with this. This isn't cohesive for me. So I'm going to upend.

Tim Pool (103:53)

Figured it out. We gotta. Tate, you're using big words.

Tate Brown (103:57)

My bad.

Tim Pool (103:57)

You got to shrink those words down. The average person has no idea what's going on. When we use these, who knows what does matriculate.

Ian Crossland (104:05)

We use matriculate twice. What does matriculate?

Tate Brown (104:07)

It means like as you become like for example a kid matriculates into an adult. It's becoming, it's absorbing into the new way of life way the system, that sort of thing.

Ian Crossland (104:19)

Is it because the Internet, because people are like consumed on the Internet that is it the Internet? I can't just wholly blame the Internet.

Tate Brown (104:25)

No, I actually, yeah, I can't wholly blame the Internet either. I think it's just the conventional institution.

Tim Pool (104:29)

Matriculate means to be formally enrolled in university.

Tate Brown (104:32)

Well that as well. Yeah. So it's like. I think it's also because of these institutions that would facilitate. That are broken down. So stupid word. The. Yeah.

Tim Pool (104:41)

For.

Tate Brown (104:41)

For young people. I mean the sort of.

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Drew Ski (104:44)

What percentage of kids play school sports does that change at all? Because it seems like they're all just on video games. Yes. They're not out there doing it.

Tate Brown (104:50)

Anecdotally I've noticed everywhere I move that batting cages are closing down.

Tim Pool (104:55)

Yeah.

Tate Brown (104:55)

Which is really tragic because A that's going to cause problems because that's how you develop throwing mechanics. So we're going to see the. We're going to see a bunch of limp wristed men ultimately that can't throw a baseball. That's going to be it's going to be a big problem. So you're seeing that and yeah, every indicator for youth sports, it's grim, it's increasingly small and the youth sports that do.

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Tate Brown (106:44)

Exist are becoming more and more expensive. Like when I was I played high school basketball. It wasn't, you know, high school musical type of basketball. It was like AAU travel basketball is very expensive for the parents is high intensity. Kids are like I'm either going to play college basketball or bust. When typically like for young people that want to play high school basketball, like I don't know, it's fun. I get to play with my friends. I like playing basketball. Probably won't go to play college bowl. I mean be cool. But now it's like it's all or nothing and I think that's putting off a lot of young kids from sports as well.

Tim Pool (107:11)

We need, you know, we need, we need a re education centers. We need to physically and forcefully take children and make them play baseball. So I say radication centers. I mean, like, like we take them from their parents to put them into schools where they learn about baseball.

Tate Brown (107:25)

Yes.

Tim Pool (107:25)

And, you know, you gotta, you gotta learn about.

Tate Brown (107:27)

The military will invest in this because the way the grenade was designed was designed as the same shape as a baseball because kids understand how to throw a baseball and Americans have some of the best throwing mechanics in the world. And I do think the military would have an incentive in these baseball education camps.

Tim Pool (107:39)

You go to the house, these kids.

Tate Brown (107:40)

Can'T throw grenades anymore.

Tim Pool (107:41)

Mandatory baseball camp.

Drew Ski (107:43)

The latest stats on health. They say health, like 75% of kids, you know, this was Bobby Kennedy's line, can't qualify to join the military on health reasons. I wonder if it's straight health. Health though it may just be they can't throw a ball or run or do a damn thing. I mean, is it really that they have diabetes? I don't know. I'm questioning. I want to dig deeper into that data because I. How many kids are actually actively able to run up a mountain or, you.

Phil Labonte (108:05)

Know, this isn't data driven, but the idea that you would send your kids out into the world during the day, that's gone.

Drew Ski (108:13)

Gone.

Phil Labonte (108:13)

You'll get, you'll, you'll get your, you'll get DSS or something at your house with your kid being like, why is your kid out? When I, you know, and I'm gonna sound totally like a boomer now, but when I was a kid, it was, you know, go outside and play and don't come back until the street lights come on.

Drew Ski (108:26)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (108:26)

And granted I live in the suburbs or lived in the suburbs, but like, that was a way for me to go out and be physically active. As soon as I could ride a bike, I was riding my bike all around the neighborhood and I was out in the woods playing and taking chances.

Drew Ski (108:38)

Make mistakes, get jacked up. How to figure out how to lie your way out of a problem you created. You know, all the things are going to be useful further out in life.

Phil Labonte (108:46)

Yeah. Nowadays, kids are actually actively discouraged from doing that and fan and parents are discouraged from allowing their, their children to do that. So even if the parents are like, oh, I would like my kids to be more independent than the, the typical kid, you're risking some kind of interference from the government or from the, the local authorities because your kid was out doing something.

Tim Pool (109:07)

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Phil Labonte (111:14)

Correct.

Tim Pool (111:14)

These are the exact same cameras, right? Different lenses for different focal lengths.

Tate Brown (111:20)

They got us. We all, we all Pre gamed at the Heart Attack Grill. They're on our case. I don't know how they figured that out.

Tim Pool (111:27)

I identify as tax exam says Trump will talk ish about a dead guy he had beef with but is oh so nice to borderline treasonous chicken ish. Republicans in Congress, you know. Malibaby says. Tim, I'm sorry I gave you a hard time. Just wanted to you to stop being a shill. I liked you better when you had fun and talked about your chickens. I don't know what that was a reference to. Did you make a different post?

Phil Labonte (111:48)

You talk about the chickens still all the time.

Tate Brown (111:50)

Indeed, yeah.

Tim Pool (111:51)

And how we will beat you if you don't buy chicken.

Tate Brown (111:54)

Tim steers every conversation behind the scenes back to his chickens. He loves his chickens very dearly. I can confirm.

Tim Pool (112:00)

Astro Fox G says welcome to my city. Tim and crew, any plans for west coast members to get a meet and hang while you're all here? Unfortunately we miss out on ton of live events. You can go to the World Poker Tour where I'm milling about and filming and maybe I'll see you there. It's hard to do because you know security stuff but there's a lot of people all over the place. Grip Lip production says if it was a different Democrat, what Trump did would be unacceptable. Rob wanted Trump dead and said horrific stuff about his family. Trump was way more reserved than I would have been. I get it.

Phil Labonte (112:35)

Yeah, it's fine.

Tim Pool (112:36)

Demos says Phil. To your point, the left's booze mean nothing. We've seen what makes them cheer.

Ian Crossland (112:41)

Yes, clearly.

Tim Pool (112:43)

Indeed. JM says per tradition, we are watching from the delivery room welcoming our fourth kid.

Phil Labonte (112:50)

Bravo.

Tim Pool (112:51)

Well I commend you. You're gonna need four more.

Phil Labonte (112:54)

That's right.

Tate Brown (112:54)

We need people babies as many page we need a battery farm Patriots. Keep going.

Tim Pool (113:00)

NNY says related to nothing being discussed but the lighting tonight is awesome. Maybe Ian can investigate. He's good at rabbit holes. Shout out to the poker go studios. Because the first thing I noticed is I was like these lights are absolutely incredible. How do we get them?

Drew Ski (113:12)

Yeah, the whole time. So they're on it. They got it.

Ian Crossland (113:15)

We even have like purple lights up here kind of given.

Tim Pool (113:17)

Yeah. Some nice bounce hue when you have. When you have a lot more money.

Ian Crossland (113:21)

Than we do and more probably. Probably. Lighting technicians have been doing it for 30 years. Lighting technicians.

Tim Pool (113:27)

So apparently I guess lighting like each individual light is five grand or something.

Ian Crossland (113:30)

I guess nodding Serge, you're lighting was never your like your more audio is like your main gig. We we never. I don't think we've ever looked into hiring like a lighting guy.

Tim Pool (113:38)

We did.

Ian Crossland (113:38)

We.

Tim Pool (113:39)

We did. We dramatically improved the lighting from the. From the. I guess technically the third studio.

Ian Crossland (113:44)

I used to do lighting in college in the theater. Not.

Tim Pool (113:47)

I'm not like the first studio we just had these lights we bought off Amazon. The second studio was also just lights we bought off Amazon. We moved them now went to the castle. Studio number three had LED strips surrounding the whole room, so the light was perfectly even. The problem was the temperature, so everyone looked really pale, like they were zombies. And then the next room upgrade is where we are now, which that would be what? Studio number four. And we have actual studio lights facing everybody as well as LEDs to bounce off.

Tate Brown (114:17)

This is cool.

Ian Crossland (114:18)

You got back lights hitting your back backs so you. Doesn't look like you're. It looks kind of makes you pop out. That's really nice.

Tim Pool (114:25)

Pop indeed. All right, let's see. Kyle west says you want viewership back. Question mark. No, actually, we're way up. This is rather fantastic. In the same time, after the election, when in 2020, we were averaging around 27,000 concurrents per night. We average around 40 in the off season now. So show's actually bigger. I fully recognize after every presidential election, a political show sees a decline in viewership. I am not crying about it, nor am I going to make things up to try and get viewers. But he goes on to say, acknowledge you ignored Israeli influence. Oh, my God, you needed a White House correspondent. Then highlight that China and Israel are working to Balkanize the US What I will say is, Israel, like many other countries, exerts influence in the United States. They have a lot of influence among a lot of populations, largely as they pander to American Jewish individuals, like in New York with a large Jewish population. And all the mayors said I'd go to Israel, which is just cringe. And then Mamdani had the only right answer. And I didn't even like the guy. And he said I'd stay here and just help the people of my city, which helped him out a lot. But man, man, there's a special kind of retardation that thinks Israel runs the world and there's nothing you can do about it. It's just that I'm not gonna play games. I'm not gonna pander to you people. Okay? Yes, you people, the people who think Israel's hiding on every corner. Benjamin Netanyahu plays stupid games and it's patently obvious when he's doing these things. And Then I get these people, tim, why would you go meet with Benjamin?

Drew Ski (116:00)

Yahoo. Jared, you're paid by Israel.

Tim Pool (116:02)

Because you know what? I was gonna tweet this out, but. But you know what?

Ian Crossland (116:06)

I should.

Tim Pool (116:07)

I shouldn't get around to him. I said, ladies and gentlemen, I have something to say. Not too long ago, I was invited to the White House to meet with a controversial political figure. And this angered a lot of people. They accused me now of being paid by these people, of having my opinions influenced by them, of corrupting my show, and of sacrificing everything that made this show unique. But I will tell you this. I will never turn down a meeting with any world leader just because they're controversial. And I will say this. Of that meeting, if invited again, I absolutely would meet with Trump twice. Real was that my mic went out. Oh, it died.

Phil Labonte (116:50)

I'd say it's likely that Tim would meet with Kim Jong Il if he got the chance.

Drew Ski (116:55)

Kim Jong.

Ian Crossland (116:56)

If you didn't hear the last thing, what Tim was saying, he was like. Like, yeah, I was serving Israel the whole time, and it was felt great.

Phil Labonte (117:02)

Still serving them right now.

Ian Crossland (117:03)

Oh, did my mic go out? Oh, my bad.

Tim Pool (117:05)

Is one still working? The point is, I go and I meet with Trump, and all these leftists, like, you meet with Trump, can't find you anymore. And then I get an email, and they're like, benjamin Netanyahu is coming to the White House. Would you like to attend? And I said, yes, I would, because I'll meet with any world leader. And that's the thing, you know, it's because people. There are people, and they're just saying things like. Like, Tim, you know, you're saying, I can't follow you anymore because you want to acknowledge Israel. This happens every time. I told the story before. I'll tell it again. I'm at Occupy Wall street, and all these people at Occupy Wall street love me. Until they started vandalizing police cars and attacking people. And then as I filmed that, the same as everything else. Why are you filming me? Because I've been filming everything the whole time. Then all of a sudden, they're like, okay, we don't like them anymore. And here we go. The Israel people were content until they started demanding everybody just talk about Israel and nothing else. But you know what? I'm gonna tell you something. I'm not retarded, okay? So because of that, I don't care. And then I get these messages from backstabbers, betrayers, and mutineers, being like, why won't you Wake up to the truth about what's going on in this country. Donald Trump works for Israel. Pretty sure when Donald Trump goes to the Saudis, tries to offer them up every deal in the world to re up the petrodollar contract, that's not Israel, it's Saudi Arabia. But you know what? To the people who live in crackpot reality and every time they turn a corner, there's an Israeli standing around, what are you gonna do? You can't convince them of anything. All right. Pinochet says Animal Farm was made by the CIA in 1954 under Operation Touchstone. CIA first went to Walt Disney, but he did not trust Hollywood commie animator. So it was made in the uk.

Ian Crossland (118:45)

Interesting thing. I don't know if it's true, but that's interesting.

Tim Pool (118:48)

Yeah, I've never heard that. Beast Demon says everyone acting like Angel Studios, Animal Farm is betraying their Christian values is incorrect. Angel Studios was never Christian. They are Mormon. Mormons don't believe in Jesus. Don't believe Jesus is God. This is communism, though. I'm not even talking about Jesus. We're talking about communism. Mythos says Tim. Zoomers don't want to even get driver's licenses because they are so risk averse. They are so full of anxiety. I'm betting a massive increase of heart disease in 10 years among them. You know what, man? Man, Gen Z sucks. What?

Phil Labonte (119:22)

My nephews are 17 and 21 now, and the 21 year old just in the past couple years got his license and the 17 year old has no interest in actually getting his license and stuff, you know?

Tate Brown (119:36)

Well, the nice thing about being a Zoomer is because so many in my generation are so risk averse that if you have any degree of, like risk tolerance, you're going to inherit the world. Like, it's totally like an open playing field. This is why you're seeing like some Zoomers just become immensely successful very quickly. It's just because they're willing to take on an exorbitant amount of risk. It's an open playing field now. If it takes out the world with us, then I suppose the success won't really matter in the long run.

Tim Pool (120:04)

Oh, boy, we gotta go. I like this one. Velasco says, if you Thanos snapped the boomers and all that money went into the economy, how would affordability and debt be looking? This is really interesting. Probably what happened is a ton of properties would become vacant overnight and then fall in disrepair within a few weeks. Houses can't be empty. They fall apart. So anybody who owns Property knows this, and you need to have a management company checking in on it. You need to have tenants. It's real simple. At the castle, we had a. What was it? Like a. I don't think it was a pipe burst. I think it was. It was something related to the air conditioning. And it was. Condensation formed and it started dripping in the same spot into the drywall, rotting it and destroying it. And we noticed right away, were we not there because it was an investment property we weren't at that would have just. Just destroyed everything, like very, very quickly. There was. I'll put it like this. Anybody who's owned a. Owned a home knows this spill maybe like a couple buckets of water on the floor and don't clean it up. And then figure out how much, how much thousands of dollars in damage you're going to have in repairs and in the floor, in the wood and everything. It's insane. So let's do this. If all the boomers were gone overnight, the h, no one would be able to track whose houses were what or where. There would be some people who start businesses, do deed searches to figure out which houses are now vacant and available for sale. Property values would collapse because there'd be a massive supply of houses all of a sudden just onto the market. They would have no value. But people would own homes. They'd go and they'd move into them. I think ultimately it would be very bad for the economy because the people who still own homes would see their net worths get wiped out overnight. And it's going to happen. Boomers are at the mortality shelter. I am not saying this to mock boomers or to insult them, but boomers now are at mortality. So that's around 79 years old. And I think Trump is like the oldest of the boomers. This means the next 10 years, they expect a massive, massive death rate. This is what the mortality shelf or the mortality cliff is. When a generation reaches the average age of mortality, the amount of death skyrockets because they're all reaching the mortality rate or the age of mortality. So we are starting. All the corporate equities get released. Boomers do have kids, but these kids don't want to live in these hometowns. So we've already seen this happen quite a bit where there's a property. Like old people own a property, they die, the kids inherit it. Then the three kids are fighting over who gets what and how they're going to deal with it. They argue, no one can agree. So they say, just sell it and Sell it quick. Then a house that was on that would have been worth 500k sells for 300k and the price start coming down and they don't want to go live in it. So it's gonna get crazy. Yeah, Absolutely bonkers.

Ian Crossland (122:56)

Start building new houses. Materials revolution, like, lightweight housing. It's gonna be awesome.

Tim Pool (123:02)

They're already building lots and lots of houses, and the question is, who's gonna live in them? They're building tons of houses by us, and we don't know why. Yeah, we're like, who's gonna live in these houses? They've got. They've got big shipping centers by us. They got an Amazon shipping center and two vacant shipping. Shipping centers. And so we're sitting there being like, who do you think is going to come and work in these places? Who is going to live in these houses? Why do you need shipping in this area?

Tate Brown (123:26)

Yeah, well, one.

Tim Pool (123:27)

They are planning something.

Tate Brown (123:28)

Yeah. Well, also, one interesting. One interesting dynamic is that since the marriage rate has broken down, the housing demand hasn't actually responded to that because people are single, but they're still living in entire homes that were meant for single families in the past. So even as, like, the population retracts because people are not married, they're splitting up, and they're just like a man and a woman that would be together sharing a home and can now buy two homes.

Drew Ski (123:51)

Yeah, yeah. They have more money than not spending it on kids.

Tate Brown (123:53)

Yeah.

Drew Ski (123:54)

I mean, the salaries actually go straight to gambling and buying houses.

Tate Brown (123:58)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Tim said.

Drew Ski (124:00)

Okay.

Tate Brown (124:00)

Yeah. I mean, like Tim said, life Expectancy of the US is 79. 1946, the first year of the boomers. That was the year Trump was born. So mortality. Cliff is here.

Tim Pool (124:09)

TPZ says fake mourning. Rob Reiner dying to appease the left will not keep the left from trying to harm you and collapse your country. Okay, sure. I guess the point is Trump shouldn't say nice things about him because that would be fake mourning. But I genuinely do mourn Rob Reiner because Princess Bride is one of the greatest movies of all time. And I kid you not, I can recite the whole thing from memory. Everybody knows it's a great movie, and it's remarkable. Its box office was like. Was like 30 million or something. Something like insanely low.

Ian Crossland (124:36)

Yeah, I heard that.

Tim Pool (124:36)

Misery. Come on. Few Good Men. Yeah. Rob Reiner had a ton of classic American cultural films. It is a shame he had tds. But we want those things. Princess Bride, we want that movie.

Phil Labonte (124:50)

We.

Tim Pool (124:50)

We want our culture to be doing Things like that.

Ian Crossland (124:52)

He was just working on Spinal Tap 2.

Drew Ski (124:54)

This is Spinal Tap 2.

Tim Pool (124:55)

I think it was no good.

Ian Crossland (124:56)

Oh, it's already out of.

Tim Pool (124:57)

But this is Spinal Tab was, was legendary.

Drew Ski (124:59)

Legendary.

Tim Pool (125:00)

We, we all still say turning it up to 11, it's like a meme.

Drew Ski (125:03)

It's in your Tesla we live in.

Phil Labonte (125:05)

When you turn up your volume on your Tesla goes to 11, it goes to 11.

Tim Pool (125:11)

Yo, man, come on.

Phil Labonte (125:13)

Yeah, I, look, we, we.

Tim Pool (125:15)

I mourn. I, I mourn his tds.

Phil Labonte (125:17)

You know, it sucks that it's, it sucks that he was, he was so politically left, but at the same time, like, look, the guy did some stuff that was, that has helped shape what American culture is. And so you can, you can say, all right, well, I didn't agree with him and I didn't like some of the things that he said.

Drew Ski (125:35)

Do you think he was into decolonization?

Phil Labonte (125:38)

I think that he. No, I don't.

Drew Ski (125:40)

It's a legit question.

Phil Labonte (125:41)

No, no, I don't think that he was particularly well versed in leftist ideology. I think that he had tds. I think he found Donald Trump particularly distasteful. Probably didn't like Trump before Trump was elected. Probably didn't like him when he was on the Apprentice. Probably thought he was, he was boorish and, and stuff. And then when he, when he was, when Trump was elected, he was probably, oh, this, this guy's the worst.

Tate Brown (126:04)

I would, I would, I would propose that, like, being against Donald Trump fundamentally is a form of this sort of anti colonial sentiment. Not directly, but because Trump was a reaction to Obama specifically, and Obama, like, cited Nelson Mandela as one of his greatest inspirations, and Nelson Mandela as kind of the forerunner of this kind of anti colonial decolonization sort of way of thinking. And so being against Trump, maybe not directly, but I will say like that that opposition come to its conclusion would be in support of these sort of decolonial ideas.

Tim Pool (126:38)

All right. TT says watching the Republican House majority pass a $906 billion package for Ukraine makes me not fear communism anymore. Whatever corrupt system we currently live in won't be worse for a slave like, like me in either system. But you know, what I will say is, would you rather be Ukraine or the United States?

Ian Crossland (126:59)

I'd rather live in, live in the United States.

Tim Pool (127:02)

Would you rather be.

Ian Crossland (127:03)

I wish I could be a country, Tim, but I'd rather, if I could, I would be the United States, all of them.

Tim Pool (127:08)

Everybody would rather be the United States. The United States is the unipolar power now being displaced by an Emerging multipolar world with China appearing alongside the US Seeking to displace it as the economic powerhouse. Do you want to live in a second or third world country, or do you want to be the empire? So the things the US does overseas, it does to maintain the petrodollar so that Americans don't have to do any work. The problem is Americans don't have baseball and apple pie anymore. So I don't know what you're fighting for the idea that we're going to go conquer foreign lands and steal their oil. I say, wow, for what? Honest question, for what? Yeah, there's no more baseball and apple pie. So I don't know what the point of spending all our money in Ukraine. What's the point of going to Ukraine or Venezuela when they're stealing it, to then open the borders and flood everybody into this country who they bombed?

Tate Brown (127:59)

Yeah. Trump literally asked, like, about the Iraq war. He didn't go into these, like, intellectual breakdowns or geopolitical discussions. He just said, where's the oil? But it's such a good point because it's like, if we are conducting these, why are we not, like, reaping the words that we are, this empire? And I don't really think there is a way to go back to being a republic. It's like, where's the benefit?

Tim Pool (128:17)

The benefit is the petrodollar.

Tate Brown (128:18)

Right. But it's like, why is gas more expensive? Even fall. Like, that's the way a lot of Americans think, conceptualize these things.

Tim Pool (128:25)

The issue is, we don't have people. So there's. I'm not gonna go. You know, I put it like this. You live in a house by yourself. You got pizza every night, you got beer, you got movies. You don't need to rob anybody. You've got everything you need. The United States enforcing the petrodollar on all these other countries. But it doesn't have any children. So it's like, okay, in 40 years, none of this will matter anyway. It's going tits up, and China's gonna take over. Yeah.

Tate Brown (128:51)

Like, the whole point of having this empire is that you're able to source goods to bring back to your people that wouldn't otherwise be there. But the American empire is the first time probably in human history where we have an empire that's at the expense of. Of the people that are at home. It's like, this is completely inverted.

Ian Crossland (129:06)

It is very literally, get resources, healthy foods, import them, make your populace the healthiest, most intelligent populace on the planet to further dominate. And because of the toxins of the last hundred years of industrial waste that we've been pumping through our society, it's like undermining that intention.

Tate Brown (129:23)

Yeah. The British used to topple civilizations for tea. Like, they had a very raw understanding of what empire meant. Bringing home, like resources and value to your people. The American empire, like I said earlier, just completely inverted.

Phil Labonte (129:36)

Do you think that that is because of the end of World War II with the advent of nuclear bombs, nuclear weapons?

Tate Brown (129:44)

No, I just think it's the post war consensus is like, look, the people that seek, the people that are poised to benefit from the American empire are very far removed from the middle class, typically, like the British Empire, for the elite, if they would gain these resources and these sort of things, it would trickle down to the people. Like, everyone would reap the benefits. Where American society is so stratified that like the elite reap the rewards. And then it isn't really trickled down to the American people. Trump posited like, hey, what about the oil? That's like something tangible that middle class Americans can grasp. It's like, okay, I can see the benefit of this, but my gas got cheaper. Yeah, but I mean, the post war consensus is obviously a contributing factor of that.

Tim Pool (130:23)

Yeah. So we're like, you know, looking at the war in Venezuela and I think a lot of it has to do with the petrodollar. I think a lot of it has to do with Trump wants the economy to do better. So here's how you go about doing it. And it's not that we're seizing the oil, it's that we're reintegrating their oil into our market system, which will create, will increase energy output, which will lower prices, et cetera, et cetera.

Ian Crossland (130:44)

That's such a funny. It's not that we're seizing your stuff, we're just reintegrating it into our system.

Tim Pool (130:48)

No, it's the United States. United States military is not taking their oil. They go in and shut down Venezuela and then companies from, from Europe, the Middle east and the United States are going to go and start divvying that up the US we are not seizing their oil.

Ian Crossland (131:01)

You just break their government. Corporations go in for and let other.

Tim Pool (131:06)

Countries and other corporations go and do whatever they want.

Tate Brown (131:09)

Yeah, that's certainly.

Tim Pool (131:10)

It's called an invasion by force to. There you go. My point is the US Military is not going in and taking away. So we are not doing it.

Tate Brown (131:18)

Yeah. And like, that's historic American policy. Like, we did that to Japan in the late late 19th century. As we went there to open up their market by force. Like these things, we didn't declare war obviously, but these things happen. Like this is the way that empires conduct affairs is like, no, everyone, if you're going to be in our sphere, which is the Western hemisphere, is outlined specifically by the National Security Strategy. It's like, yeah, we're going to go in and impose our will. Granted. I think Venezuela also, like a factor no one's talking about is that a lot of it too is because there's a huge component of the Trump administration that came from Florida. And in Florida, much of the constituents there are Cuban. They have this long standing beef with Maduro and so a huge component of that is them settling that score as well. In addition to the petrodollar opening the market, that sort of thing.

Tim Pool (132:00)

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Drew Ski (132:22)

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Ian Crossland (132:43)

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Tate Brown (133:00)

Tate Brown yeah exit instagram @realtatebrown co host the across the Pond super series on the Culture War Channel. We had Oren McIntyre on Sunday. So go check out that episode we break down why the GOP are Losers. Really the leaders of the GOP are losers. But yeah, go check that out. See you there.

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