Rogue Judge Gets NO JAIL TIME After Helping Illegals Evade ICE w/ Lauren Southern

Summary

Timcast IRL – July 9, 2026

Episode: Rogue Judge Gets NO JAIL TIME After Helping Illegals Evade ICE w/ Lauren Southern
Guests: Lauren Southern, Lisa Elizabeth, Ian Crossland, Carter Banks; Host: Phil Labonte (All That Remains)

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Main Theme

This episode digs into recent news about judicial and political corruption, influencer drama in right-wing circles, and deeper problems with media narratives and online culture. Guest Lauren Southern confronts the host and panel over past coverage of her book and allegations she's made against controversial figures like Andrew Tate and Tommy Robinson. The episode is characterized by heated debate, meta-discussion about online commentary, and a reflective critique of the modern information ecosystem.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Former Judge Hannah Dugan Helps Illegal Evade ICE, Gets No Jail Time

• [02:48] The show opens with a discussion about Wisconsin judge Hannah Dugan, who avoided jail for obstructing an ICE arrest, receiving only a $5,000 fine.
• [03:52] Phil: “If you are actually aiding and abetting a criminal and you get charged with a felony, you should go to jail. You shouldn’t be able to avoid jail time just because you're a judge.”

Panel's Take:

• Lisa (B): Disappointed by the light penalty, emphasizing judicial activism and broken justice system.
  “Our justice system is obviously very extremely broken in more ways than one... Of course she's going to get let off. I don't know why anybody's surprised.” [04:16]

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2. Lauren Southern Confronts Timcast on Past Coverage & Book

• [05:31] Lauren Southern confronts the Timcast crew:
  “I’ll be honest, the last episode of Timcast I watched was the episode where he reviewed my book and said I was lying about everything. So I wanted to confront him on drama, drama, drama and show him all the evidence that I was telling the truth...”

Context:

• Southern details her personal allegations against Andrew Tate and clarifies her motivation for speaking up and writing her book, This Is Not Real Life.
• She laments the tendency of online commentators to offer hot takes without reading evidence or court documents.
  • “No one reads the headlines. It's just so quick hit news, all of these.” [11:56]
  • “On this show, I don’t think Tim did any research on the case... It's you, we pull up these headlines, we comment on them without reading the legal case, without reading any of the documents, and you just come up with a hot take. And it actually affects people's lives and it affects the listeners and it affects... people's intelligence.” [21:00]

Notable Quotes:

• Lauren Southern [09:28]:
  “He [Andrew Tate] ran a webcam industry where he brought girls in, convinced them they were in love, he was going to marry them, took their passports and made them do sexual content. The charges are against, there’s 40 plus victims both in the UK and Romania, and some of them are underage... I have contemporary medical evidence and text message evidence that I could give to the courts... there are 40 plus women that are victims that needed my evidence, that needed my testimony out there and I’m happy to help them.”

• Lauren Southern [21:00]:
  “I think the way that the right wing ecosystem is formed now—just trying to get hot takes as quick as possible—is resulting in... stuff being amplified.”

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3. Meta-Discussion: Problems with Online Political Commentary, Media & Foreign Funding

• [22:00–35:00]
  • The crew laments the “race to the bottom” in media, where fast takes matter more than substance, and meaningful, on-the-ground journalism is economically discouraged.
  • Lauren introduces the concept of “model collapse” from AI to journalism:
    “We’re all taking—no one’s going into the real world and getting stories anymore... It makes sense to steal stories from other people and comment on them... and we’re having a collapse of any legitimate conversation.” [22:46]
  • Discussion of how foreign money and bots now shape narratives, even in so-called “independent media”.

Notable Quotes:

• Lauren Southern [33:09]: “People are being pushed to have certain opinions by people paying thousands of bots to say, you’re a dumb whore if you don’t say this. You’re a cuck if you don’t say that. And it affects us. We’re all psychologically prone to be affected by this…”

• Carter [33:38]:
  “All of our money is coming from the bank for International Settlements in Switzerland. All of our Federal Reserve money is tied to Swiss money. It's foreign money. This whole American system is propped up by foreign money.”

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4. Political News & Cancel Culture

Breaking News: Graham Platner Drops Out of Senate Race

• [35:32] The panel discusses the Democratic Senate candidate’s withdrawal after scandals, alleging a double standard in media responses and “cancel culture.”
• Lisa [37:27]:
  “The left didn’t care about the money came from a Republican woman, but as soon as it came from a socialist, lefty woman, now they care. And now it’s Believe all women. And now they believe them, and now they want him out…”

Panel Critique of Modern Campaigns

• Authenticity, experience vs. fame in politics, and prominence of “narrative over truth” [49:38].
• Social media popularity rarely translates to electoral victory—older voters still decide elections.

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5. Right-Wing Infighting, Candace Owens, & Conspiracy Culture

• Charlie Kirk Case & Conspiracy Theories [67:07, 70:28+]

  • Discussion of the pretrial hearing for Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin, skepticism of the “official narrative,” and wild conspiracy ideas online (TPUSA insiders, Israel, etc.).

• Lauren Southern [70:45]:
  “But the problem is… the disinformation from alternative media has run amok too far and everyone had too much fun with it and now this is the result. Now we have a bunch of insane wine moms that were into, you know, true crime, talking constantly about how Charlie Kirk was murdered by Erica and Andrew Colvette or whatever. Like it’s just unhinged.”

• Meta-critique:
  The crew agrees that people prefer emotional narratives and conspiracies over boring, bureaucratic reality, making mobs susceptible to influencer-fueled rabbit holes. Skepticism and commitment to “narrative” get conflated.

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6. Virtue, Authenticity, and the “Right Way” to Do Political Media

• Searching for authenticity in political commentary and online persona.
• Lauren: “People are craving authenticity… it’s admissions against your own interests that I believe.” [46:26]
• Ian: “Discernment is the word of the day. Honesty and discernment, those two things in tandem.” [50:55]

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7. Personal Reflections on Influence, Online Audiences, and Interpersonal Drama

• Lauren and Lisa argue over past drama, honesty in recounting events, and how emotions and friendships shape what people choose to believe.
• The crew openly discusses the stress and toxicity of influencer culture, including private messages from fans, the tendency to attack or “simp” for media personalities, and the challenge of maintaining direct, healthy communication [107:06–109:28].

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8. Deeper Dive: Online Larping, Real Life vs. Internet

• Lauren:
  “Video games are healthier than online politics. Because you're aware that it's fake.” [86:22]
• Reflection on “ideological lap dances,” comfort in echo chambers, and the need for more real-world engagement, especially through mundane activism (school boards, door knocking, etc.) [84:51].

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Memorable Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• Lauren Southern on media “model collapse”:
  “We’re stealing stories from people who weren’t there, from people who weren’t there, from people who weren’t there that are sitting in their basements and not experiencing real life…” [22:46]

• Lauren Southern on influencer drama:
  “You have to be able to say it to their face. That’s what authenticity and honesty want—to actually heal.” [110:02]

• Panel, on beauty, effort, and authenticity:
  “Trying to be healthy is important, and it is a signal of your mental state.” [91:03]
  “If you get up out of bed… brush your hair, brush your teeth, take a shower and put on normal clothes… it makes you feel better about yourself.” [93:26]

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Additional Notable Segments

• [44:50+]: Honest admissions about the “sex and drugs” myths of the right-wing media space.
• [56:58]: The illusory power of social media “likes” in political campaigns.
• [82:11]: On the futility of online activism and fetishization of “hidden knowledge.”
• [106:11]: Candid discussion about audience toxicity, internet trolling, and creator-audience relationships.

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Flow and Tone

• Rapid-fire, tangential, and occasionally confrontational—mimics the chaos and emotion of live internet culture.
• Unfiltered, meta-referential, and brutally self-aware at times.
• Heavy on personal anecdotes and direct challenges to both colleagues and audience.
• Language is casual, often irreverent, and not afraid to break the fourth wall or turn the lens on the podcast itself.

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Takeaway for New Listeners

If you missed this episode:

• Expect heated, honest debate, with significant time spent examining the problems of online media, influencer culture, and political grifting.
• Lauren Southern’s presence turns this into something of an intervention for right-wing media, criticizing its descent into narrative-driven, evidence-light commentary.
• Underlying everything is a call for greater authenticity, directness, and willingness to grapple with boring but necessary realities—far from the clickbait thrills of “headline brain.”
• Be prepared for detours into meta-critique, audience interaction, and philosophical debates about what’s real in the information age.

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Transcript

[A]

Former Wisconsin judge Hannah Dugan. You guys remember her? She's the one that had helped an illegal alien escape the. The clutches of ice. She has avoided jail time for obstructing arrest of an illegal immigrant. So we're going to talk about that. We've got some more information on the big court case or the. The, I guess the deposition that's going on now. I think of Charlie Kirk. What was that?

[B]

It's a pretrial.

[A]

Pretrial hearing. My bad. Of Charlie Kirk, suspected assassin. The roommate has been given immunity. So we're going to talk about that a little bit. There is some big news about H1B visa fraud, right? Like, there's a big investigation that's started by the Justice Department. I think they should just end the H1B visa program altogether. But that's just me. And then we're going to be talking about the war in Iran again because, you know, it just never ends. It's just going to be bombing, bombing, bombing. But before we get into all that, why don't you guys head on over to Bunker Branding. We've got the Ian's Betrayal T shirt available. You can get all your Tim Cast merch there. This happens to be my favorite, probably because it's got me on it. I, you know, I'm a little. A little vain and like that. But you got Ian Crossland, Tim Carter. I think that's tape back there. Is that.

[C]

I think it's.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Tate or Mark.

[D]

Maybe Tate.

[A]

Maybe Mark Tate.

[B]

Could be.

[A]

Anyways, Carter's there, I'm here. You can go get to get this and all of your favorite Tim Cast merch over at Bunker Branding. So smash the like button. Share the show with all of your friends, with everyone you know joining us tonight to talk about this and all sorts of other things, you know, where you love her. Lauren Southern.

[D]

Thanks for having me.

[A]

Who are you? What do you do?

[D]

I am a documentary filmmaker. Been on the show a few years ago and I recently wrote a book called this is Not Real Life. And now I'm here in Vegas. I was here to talk to Tim, but he's not here, so don't know what to do with that.

[A]

So we're chopped liver. Lisa's here.

[B]

Hi, I'm back. I don't know if you're gonna love that or hate that, but here I am.

[C]

Ian's Here is the book this Is Not Real Life about the Internet.

[D]

It is about the Internet.

[C]

That's pretty cool.

[D]

It's about the Internet. It's about all of the kind of drama behind the scenes in the political world. What's really going on? I only say I was here to talk to Tim because I'll be honest, the last episode of Tim Cast I watched was the episode where he reviewed my book and said I was lying about everything.

[B]

Oh.

[D]

So I wanted to confront him on drama, drama, drama and show him all the evidence that I was telling the truth, not just for myself, but for the 40 plus other victims of the Tate brothers and their human trafficking campaign. But we will here today, I will,

[A]

I will talk smack about your book and then you can go ahead and reprimand me. Carter's in the back.

[B]

Hold on.

[C]

So, so good to have all of you here. Lisa, Lauren, Ian and Phil, let's get into it.

[A]

All right, so we're going to start off with this story from FOX News about the Wisconsin judge and then we'll get into the drama. So former Wisconsin judge Hannah Dugan avoids jail time for obstructing of illegal immigrants. Former Wisconsin judge Hannah Dugan. Judge Hannah Dugan was ordered Wednesday to pay $5,000 fine for obstructing the arrest of an illegal immigrant at a courthouse but will not serve any prison time at all. I think this is a situation where an otherwise good person upset by immigration policies in this country made a bad decision in the moment, said U.S. district Judge Lynn Adelman. Dugan, 66, was convicted of felony obstruction last year after federal agents attempted to serve a warrant to Eduardo Flores Ruiz on April 18. Acquitted of concealing an individual to prevent an arrest, a misdemeanor, she faced up to five years in prison. Prosecutors had asked that Dugan be sentenced to between 15 and 21 months. Look, if you are actually aiding and abetting a criminal and you get charged with a felony, you should go to jail.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like that, shouldn't. You shouldn't be able to avoid jail time just because you're a judge. What do you think, Lisa?

[B]

I wasn't really honestly paying attention. So I have a question. Did she, is she, is she allowed to still be a judge?

[A]

No, she was.

[B]

She had been. I don't care about. So then that's a good thing. I do think she should be penalized. I think she should be penalized. I think that people keep getting away with a lot of things lately.

[A]

It's felony obstruction. She was. She was.

[B]

I think it's a disgrace. But our justice system is obviously very extremely broken in more ways than one. And I don't see it getting better anytime soon. So you have all these activisty judges, of course, are DAs and all that. Of course she's going to get let off. I'm like, I don't know why anybody's surprised.

[A]

I mean, look, a $5,000 fine. I don't know exactly what. No, but I don't know what a judge gets paid, but I imagine it's. It's probably either six figures or approaching six figures. $5,000 seems very, very like it's a very small amount for, for something that's a felony. Right.

[C]

It looks. Sounds like a slap on the wrist. Yeah.

[B]

Guys, we have to, we have to address this Lauren thing now, because that's all I can think about. And this doesn't mean anything. Like, I, I need to know. I need to know right now. Like, I'm sitting here.

[A]

I need to know layout.

[D]

I was like, look at this.

[B]

You can't just, like, have put an elephant on the table and that kick over articles and pretend like, I thought

[D]

you were going to do it for a minute. I was very impressed, me.

[B]

I was.

[A]

Lisa has very little self control.

[B]

No, it's not that I have self control. It's just like the audience.

[C]

No, I know you don't have self control. Keep going.

[B]

It's like the audience heard that, right? I heard that. I'm shocked. Lauren did say, I bet, right? Like, right before we start, she goes, I bet you don't have any idea what I'm going to say. And now I was like, no, I pretty much do know you, Lauren, right? No, I did not. You were correct.

[D]

I really respect that. When we were talking, you're like, we've been going over the same 10 topics on this show over and over again for the last decade. For the last 10 years.

[B]

Well, the truth is, all politics is that, yes, it is a hundred percent. I was complaining that, like, I, I don't maybe not have enough anything to really contribute because we've been having the same conversations about the same dialogue tree

[D]

where you can't watch political content anymore because you can predict every single thing every commentator is going to say. Because if you go off the plantation of the 20 potential talking points, you could get kicked out of the small pool of commentators that exists right now.

[B]

I don't even know if it's that. I think that people are so ingrained in how they already feel that, like, they, they stick and they, then they, they don't want to change or they don't want to want to evolve, and then they drag their heels. They're like, in the trenches and they're like, no, no, this is my position and like. But you also know their personalities. Like, I know James is going to say, like, he was on last night. I know you're going to say no. Ian's going to say no. Lauren's going to say for the most part. So I'm like, I don't enjoy political commentary anymore because I already know where

[A]

they're going to go doing political commentary. Though I was still a libertarian guy and I'm definitely not a libertarian, like,

[B]

you know, like a regular conservative. And now I'm like a right wing, authoritarian type person. Yeah.

[D]

But this is where I think the problem came with that episode you did on my book. Is there, like, even we're talking about the story? Former Wisconsin judge Hannah Dugan avoids jail time. I've never read anything about this story. If I were on the show three years ago, I would have quickly skimmed it and made up a take so that I didn't have nothing to say. And I saw this with the episode that you guys did on my book where you talk about my allegations against the Tate brothers.

[B]

First of all, I'd say I wasn't on that one. And I.

[D]

You weren't even that one. Actually. I was. Yes.

[A]

Was I?

[D]

Or maybe it was the after show that you were on. I can't remember if you were, but Tim said Lauren is lying. I think she's lying because she did this to make money. Now I could come out with a month or two of YouTube video ads and make more than I made off my entire book in over a year.

[B]

I don't understand why you wrote that book.

[D]

Why did I write that book? Because I wrote it for me when I was younger. I actually just got an email 2 days ago from a young girl who said, I used to watch your videos when I was younger. And I fell into kind of believing everything in the media world was real. It almost ruined my life. And I read your book and it helped me get out of that.

[B]

That's why.

[D]

But it also helped people understand.

[B]

I felt bad for you when you wrote that because you got a lot of backlash. Right. And it was like you were airing your own dirty laundry. And that's something my parents told me never to do. Right. I do tell my. And like, own a lot of stuff. Like, I'm a hot mess. People know that. Right. Or times I can.

[D]

Well, here's the thing. I. I joined the UK court case. I've already testified in the Romanian court case. My information was going to be leaked. The Tate brothers already have actually just recently got pulled into court on 11 separate charges of trying to intimidate and destroy the reputations of witnesses. The second I joined those cases, there was going to be a mass campaign against me. My name was going to be all over the place and the Tate brothers were going to be able to just slander me all over the board. They already paid Milo Yiannopoulos, his firm Tarantula, to try to destroy my reputation before he came up with articles about me in 2019. Post the incident that helped destroy my reputation. So it was kind of a I can come out with my story and then join the cases and testify, or they can come out with their campaigns and bots to try to destroy my reputation. Either way, my reputation is getting dragged through the mud. But I was the only one with medical owners from the time.

[B]

If you own it, then it's your. Then you own it.

[D]

Then at least I get to tell my story. So I had medical evidence from the time. Somehow I was able to predict years before they were famous that his M.O. was strangulation. Three years before the Vice article came out saying that's what he did to all the other victims in the uk. It would be literally impossible for me to get a DeLorean and come back in time and decide to make up all this and make a medical report and know the MO just to sell a book that I've made barely any money off of. Can you 20, 25, can you.

[A]

Can you do give a little context for the viewers that aren't familiar with the situation about what you're talking about, because there are people in the chat that are saying they're not sure that

[D]

we don't know who Andrew Tate is somehow. He is currently on trial in both the UK and the US for something else and Romania for sex trafficking. He ran a webcam industry where he brought girls in, convinced them they were in love, he was going to marry them, took their passports and made them do sexual content. The charges are against. There's 40 plus victims both in the UK and Romania and some of them are underage. They just recently, actually was just the last week that it came out that they made over a million dollars on a 17 year old that they were sexually trafficking and sleeping with. And I didn't know at the time in 2018, but Tommy Robinson brought me out to meet Tate, claiming he was going to be a business investor for a kind of right wing company we would make. And I went to a. It's all very convoluted, but we went and had this business meeting. It was a total disaster. Tate and his team call and say like, this was in Romania at their little compound. But what year this was? 2018. Very beginning, like January, February 2018. And then they invite me to a club, I have two drinks, get completely wasted. Somehow, like blackout drunk. Tate Meat brings me back to the hotel room, strangles me, assaults me, crazy incident. I go to a hospital, I report it. I don't want to make it a big media deal. And then years later, he starts going viral online for having human trafficking, mass assault, rape cases, all these things. And I'm feeling guilty as hell because I know I have contemporary medical evidence and text message evidence that I could give to the courts, but I don't want to deal with the online shitstorm that's going to come from that. I'm literally the girl who built her career on, you know, I'm not a feminist. All these women are lying. Da, da da, da da. So I sit on this evidence for years and years and years and eventually after various kind of career incidents, including the tenant media scandal, my text messages with Steven being released, all this kind of stuff, I'm like, why am I sitting here on this pile of lies that I'm telling that make me miserable? I need to just tell the truth about all of it, join the court cases, take a step back from media and get my head back in order. Because I think all of this is kind of built on bullshit, but it's not even about me. Like to me, I don't care if people are sympathetic with me. You can hate me, love me, don't care anymore. There are 40 plus women that are victims that needed my evidence, that needed my testimony out there and I'm happy to help them. And on this show, I don't think Tim did any research on the case. I don't think people read because no one reads the headlines. It's just so quick hit news, all of these.

[B]

I don't even remember exactly. I don't even remember.

[D]

It's selfish. It's like it affect. It personally affected me, the headline stuff. Oh, we're just going to read the headline, give a hot take on it. Oh, that's a friend of mine of 10 years. It personally affected me and that's when I started caring, which is fud. It's fud.

[B]

I'm going to be. But before I knew you. Okay, right, because we met, what probably 20, 22, 21, something like that, like in person. I had, you know, I worked with Tommy. I started working with him in 2018 and then it wasn't but he was in prison, basically. So it wasn't until, like, he got out in October, November. So that was after your incident. However, I had heard things about you prior. I'm sure you had, prior to meeting him 1. And. And the stuff with the Andrew Tate stuff wasn't. That wasn't anything really bad. It was just like, oh, you know, Lauren was there and she was, you know, kissing him outside his door. And like, she was really into it. That. That was basically it.

[D]

Yeah, that's the story Tommy told. And then he also went publicly after and said that I traveled back to Romania to see him again. Now, the problem with Tommy's stories and the way that he lies and is he'll just go a little too far. He said I went back to Romania in his debunking. Unfortunately, I have evidence that I never returned to the country. I have travel documents that show that, and I've submitted this and I've publicly posted it. And Tommy will never respond to that. He couldn't give a date I was the country because it would overlap with another place I was. Publicly. He lied. He lied and he will never respond to me.

[B]

But I could say. I'm going to say this, but I could say that about kind of like, the Kaylin and George thing. When you said that, like, Kaylin and George were mad, like, Tommy was mad when you came back because Kayla and George were working with you and they weren't there. But I know that they were there because they met us at a bar that night in a thing. Right.

[D]

Sorry.

[B]

Where what you said in one of your books or your things that Kaylin and, like, Tommy was really angry because Kaylin and George were working with you and your documentary, and you guys were down. And you and I discussed this before, and you were down in, like, they weren't there when he got out of jail to, like, do. To work for him and do his videos. This is what you said somewhere. You and I was a little frustrated

[D]

that we were splitting the time. I don't remember the exact. They went back and visited him.

[B]

You and I had discussed this before, but. So what I'm saying is, like, you were upset that, you know, like, you. I said to you, like, no, no, they were there because. I know. Because I saw them at a bar or whatever, and they were with Tommy and getting.

[D]

I don't know what you're getting at.

[B]

My point is, is that like, that is just like, a different perspective.

[D]

It's not a different perspective. I have evidence that has been signed by lawyers, and I have a passport that shows I never returned to the country.

[B]

But maybe I have text messages from

[D]

Tate to his war room saying.

[B]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying maybe he.

[D]

We were never going to make an investment. We brought her here because I'm a pimp. He said this in text messages that I have published. Tate.

[B]

No, no, but I'm saying Tommy said you go back to Romania.

[D]

Tommy said that.

[B]

And he said somebody told him that.

[D]

Well, so then why would you go online and say he knows that for a fact?

[B]

Because maybe he's trusting whoever said that. But I. What I would. I wouldn't necessarily attribute.

[D]

When it has to do with a Muslim grooming gang. Maybe he should be a little more careful.

[B]

I'm just saying that, like, don't attribute that.

[D]

Not to mention he's received tens of thousands of dollars from brothers.

[A]

I don't know.

[D]

I didn't know. This is proven as well.

[B]

But my point is what I'm saying, don't attribute that to malice. Like I wouldn't consider a lie. Maybe it's, you know, he got the information wrong. But like the other day he reported

[D]

that I worked for Hope Not Hate, which Hope Not Hate then responded to and said not only has she never worked for US organization, we got her banned from the uk, which is true. And Tommy's met with us multiple times. I published multiple responses to Tommy's lies about me, which he will never respond to. Ask him give a date when did Lauren return to Romania? Ask him when did Lauren return to Romania? He won't be able to give one because he's lying, Lisa. And he's lying to protect his ass because he brought me out there knowing full well who Tate is because they worked together in Luton when they were gangsters when they were younger.

[B]

Well, I don't. I listen. I've been working with Tyler for a really long time. I don't see him trying to disagree.

[D]

I don't disagree with the people who are fighting for a better Britain. I don't disagree with the people who are pissed off with the grooming gangs. I don't disagree with the people who are patriots and want their country back, but they are getting scammed and lied to by people. Look at the Unite the Kingdom rally. The UTK coin that was rug pulled immediately after the rally by Tommy and his friends. That's insane.

[C]

This is proven how much money was lost in that?

[D]

You can go look at the data on that. Pillmico or Plimico Journal did a huge piece on it. They are just Fleecing. It's Groundhog Day of fake, fake court cases over and over again.

[B]

They're not.

[D]

Yes, they are, Lauren.

[B]

I'm involved in them. They're not. They're not fake court cases. What happened? Or not.

[D]

So why did he plead guilty to the case with the young Muslim boy, the defamation case? He actually didn't plead guilty.

[C]

No.

[B]

Look what happened.

[D]

People can Google this. He walked in and said he needed hundreds of thousands of dollars for his defense, and then he pled guilty.

[B]

He did. He did need hundreds of thousands of dollars because there was. He was still trying to get. He was still trying to get silenced out is what.

[D]

What.

[B]

What the case was. Right.

[D]

Have you read the Hijazi court case?

[B]

I haven't read the court case. I'm helping him. I'm helping him get his lawyers because I. I was involved in a lot of that stuff because I was there when we met first. Met Bailey and interviewed Bailey and.

[D]

So do you know who Bailey is?

[B]

Yes, I know who Bailey is and I know his mother. Bailey. Bailey's the kid who got the. What, like waterboarded or whatever. The kid.

[D]

Do you know who is Data or his brother is.

[B]

He doesn't even. I don't care who his brother.

[D]

One of Tommy's very good friends dealing together with, let me just say. Which is why he came out and defended Reese.

[B]

Reese. We didn't even know them because when I was there.

[D]

So you're saying Tommy doesn't know his brother?

[B]

He. He didn't. Until that day.

[D]

He didn't know. It was.

[B]

I swear to you on everything I love. Because we had just never met his brother.

[D]

Reese.

[B]

No.

[D]

Okay. Because he has posts online of showing they were best mates together.

[B]

I'm telling you right now, when I went up there to Huddersfield, he. We entered, we were introduced.

[D]

Totally fine. I'll post it on Twitter after this. We were introd.

[C]

Bailey.

[B]

I was introduced to Bailey and his mom. I'm the one that found the Airbnb for them to stay at when they were being attacked and all.

[D]

The girl who said that she was. The girl who said she was attacked by Jamal Hijazi. When they went to court, do you know what happened? The girl who said she was attacked,

[B]

she took it back.

[D]

Field incident.

[B]

She took it back.

[D]

She didn't just take it back. There was evidence that it didn't happen. She said that she was on medication. She said that she had to go to therapy. The doctor said not only was she not on any medication, she said she went and got a hospital report. None of this was true.

[B]

She was afraid of the people who were threatening her.

[D]

So she made up that there was a hospital report, medication that she was taking because she was afraid of the people threatening her.

[B]

She changed.

[D]

And the other mother, because she said her. Because of that were attacked by Hijazi, messaged Tommy and said, please, I lied. I just wanted attention from you.

[B]

Because they were getting threatened, Threatened by Muslim people in the community. That is why. Yes, Lauren, that's why there's no evidence I was there tonight.

[D]

We had beat those girls black and blue. That is why Tommy lost the defamation case. That is why he lost the defamation case.

[B]

That's fine. But I will tell you right now, those people were being rounded. Like we had to go get them out of a building. And there were Muslim gangs, people riding around in a circle in Huddersfield. Okay, Riding around us to threaten those people.

[D]

I don't deny there's probably threats going on. There was threats going on on both sides. The family. The Hajazi family had to get cctv. They had to pull the kids out of school. They had to move neighborhoods. And I'm sure the other way around, because politics is in incredibly radicalized with insane people on both sides who don't read court cases, who don't care about the facts, who are willing to make all of it. Tommy admitted that his initial posts saying that he beat girls black and blue were untrue.

[B]

No, we had them. That this is what they said. We had stacks of and we brought them with us to meet them for that interview. Stacks of Facebook documents, like print printouts of people saying that this is how this guy behaves.

[D]

Including the woman who said that.

[B]

Yes, that was in there.

[D]

She lied and she made this.

[B]

Yes. And then. But it wasn't in that. When we first met them and interviewed Bailey, those that like her retraction wasn't in there, we went and interviewed him with his original post with all that evidence. Stop. Tommy had the stacks of paper in his hand.

[D]

I would encourage people to go read the case themselves or go read my article on Substack about it, because it's. The evidence is pretty compelling if you read it. But this is like an hour in the week.

[B]

My point is, is that, yeah, this

[A]

is kind of a. Right now this is actually kind of smoking them.

[D]

Dude.

[A]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Don't take this as some kind of insult. We finished enough. This is kind of devolved into an argument between two people about a third person.

[C]

Right. And Tim's not here.

[A]

Well, no, it's not even About Tim. It's about. It's about time.

[C]

I need a bottle opener.

[A]

This is very important right now.

[D]

God forbid, Andrew, no wonder why you wanted the baby. God forbid.

[B]

So the point. So the point is. So you wrote the book and then Tim said that you were li. Did he say the words, you're lying?

[D]

Yeah, I said, I think she's lying. And you know what? I actually don't mind if he just says we don't know or we don't care because that's. This isn't even about me. Like, ye. Yes, the story about me was the thing that triggered it because I obviously know this story is true. And I'm like, man, that's a wild way to handle a story. And I don't think you read the evidence. I don't think you even read my posts about it. It's about how we handle all of these stories because I've been on Tim Cast before, I've done this show and it's you. We pull up these headlines, we comment on them without reading the legal case, without reading any of the documents, and you just come up with a hot take. And it actually affects people's lives and it affects the listeners and it affects. Affects people's intelligence. And this is like, even if you guys are kind of against the Candace Owens Ification conspiracy stuff, I think the way that the right wing Nico ecosystem is formed right now just trying to get hot takes as quick as possible is resulting. Do you think that stuff being amplified,

[A]

do you think that that's just the

[D]

right wing, but it's like this tit for tat. Everyone was like, well, the left wing media lied, so now we have to be retards.

[A]

That's not really what I'm thinking.

[D]

Great.

[A]

The point that, the point that I'm making, it's not, it's not about the right wing or the left wing or, or who's worse or whatever right now. The way that people get their information is all hot takes.

[D]

Right?

[A]

Well, that's, that's the entire, that's the entire design of like X People's Facebook feeds are. Very rarely are they actually, you know, they don't, they don't actually lay out stories or if they do, they have like a, you know, a headline and then a, you know, a link to an article that they likely haven't read. And I mean, I'll be, look, I'll be the first one person to admit that there have definitely been times where I'll see an article on X or something like that. And I'LL I'll retweet the article without reading the whole thing. I'll like, you know, whatever.

[D]

It's just how the media ecosystem works now.

[A]

So do you think. So you think that's just, you know, kind of, that's kind of the way that modern information is, is disseminated?

[D]

I mean it's a race to the bottom. It's a race to the bottom because you can't compete unless you're getting the takeout as soon as possible. Do you guys know what AI model collapses?

[A]

No.

[D]

When AI is just learning from itself, essentially. So it just gets increasingly like deep fried fidelity. Yeah. This is what's happening with journalism. It's model collapse. We're all taking. No one's going into the real world and getting stories anymore. Even when Tim started, like I know Tim from 10 years ago because we used to go to protests together in the street and do first hand journalism. Now it doesn't economically make sense to go and do journalism. It makes sense to steal stories from other people and comment on them and then we're stealing stories from people who weren't there, from people who weren't there, from people who weren't there that are sitting in their basements and not experiencing real life. And we're having a collapse of any legitimate conversation. Like, like all of the people online are talking about phenomenons that no one in day to day life cares about. For the most part it's just like complete or that we shouldn't care about.

[B]

It's like what I say, like I, I, I, we should, we should not be interested in what's happening, you know, a million miles away. We should be interested in what's happening in our community.

[C]

Is that what you're saying?

[D]

They're not a million miles.

[B]

You don't know where Tim is on the Candace. What, what were you, what were you trying to get at there? How much?

[D]

Oh, I said I don't know how you guys feel about the Candace Owens

[C]

stuff, but I feel like I don' amplify insanity and I don't know, I feel like Candace is experiencing madness at a level that she's never experienced before. She's confused, in a lot of pain and so she's just looking for.

[A]

I love how you just like toss confused.

[D]

She's making a lot of money.

[C]

Well, she's also, I think that's Tim's

[B]

position, but I, I don't necessarily think that's mine. I mean, not like I don't know

[C]

her, but she's making money and she's 100%.

[B]

Like, I don't think she's doing for any. I think she 100% believes it. And whatever, whatever reason that is because she believes it. I don't know, it's not my business, but like, I, I do think she believes it in her, in her heart.

[C]

And I don'. I don't wanna miss a beat. But let me say about skepticism in media. If you pull up an article like Lauren's story and you don't believe it, the best thing to say is, I don't know if that's true, I don't believe it. Rather than say that's a lie. If you don't know it's a lie, just try not to claim it without evidence that it is a lie. And just cause something's untrue doesn't necessarily mean it's a lie. Maybe they got the information from someone else and they thought it was true. So they were wrong, but they weren't wrong.

[B]

There's like two sides every story. There's like gray things and people have their own versions of things. And then there's the truth.

[A]

A lie is. If you're gonna. This is maybe semantics, but lies are motivated. And if you get something wrong, you get something wrong. But the question is, do people actually want to push a. A narrative regardless of whether or not it's true or are they actually just getting something wrong?

[D]

See, I'd be okay with accepting that Tommy just made a mistake. If he responded to any of my, like, I just retweeted. You can go to my Twitter and check out my response to him. Power to free speech. He never responded to me debunking him. If he was interested in truth, he would say, wow, Lauren, I'm really sorry. Someone told me you traveled back to Romania, but I got that wrong. And because I care about my criticism.

[B]

Thank you.

[D]

I'm going to look into this a little further. But the problem is he's friends and he's complicit and he's in too deep.

[B]

The funny thing is, like, when you say he's friends with the tape brothers, I have texts with him where he was irritated with the tape brothers.

[D]

He's irritated because their connection is wrecking his reputation.

[B]

No, he was irritated with them because. Because of their, like, turn to Islam for a while or whatever. Like, going to.

[D]

Not that I'm human trafficking continue.

[B]

Correct. But whatever. My point is, like, he was irritated with them. So like, to, to blindly defend them for whatever. Like, I don't want to get into the Tommy Stuff, but to blindly defend them. Like, I don't, I don't think that that's like his motivation there because there's times where he's been increasingly irritated with them. He's like, you know, they're encouraging people to, you know, turn to Islam and things like that. They were for a period of time. I don't think they're doing that anymore.

[D]

That's all an act too. That's all a paid for act. Just like Tommy gets paid to promote the IDF or whatever. Everyone's getting paid. Come on. He would laugh about it at bars with us. He'd say, I'm getting so much money from these people. I know, I knew him in person.

[B]

There were times from like 2018, 2019. He doesn't care because they're doing that.

[D]

He just doesn't like that act because it's bad to be associated with his act.

[B]

No, I tried to get Jewish donors and is people from Israel.

[D]

You think he just wanted to go on a vacation to Israel and take pictures with the IDF for kicks and giggles? Because that's what he loves doing.

[B]

From 2018 to 2020, when I was heavily involved with his MVP campaign and all those Tommy rallies, I couldn't get Jewish donors to donate to him for anything.

[D]

Okay, well he's able to get them in the background. Maybe they don't want to be publicly

[B]

associated one that we had.

[D]

And you know, I'm not even saying, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that as like some oh, the Jews, blah, blah. I'm saying this as in everyone in this space is being foreign funded or corporate funded right now. Like it's over 50% of the people in like I do believe there are political groups. Like I think Tim cast, they came from kind of the original crew of political influencers. Made money organically for sure. Daily Wire, you know, they're American funded. But like all of the tons of the dissident media which were supposed to be attacking the mainstream as being controlled are now entirely foreign funded and controlled. Like the amount of money coming. I mean, look at the Russia stuff.

[B]

Okay. Look at the tenant media thing. Yeah, we talk about tenant media. We, we, we got the deal with ten media. I ran the culture war show that was exclusively on there. Tim didn't even know who the guests were till Friday. Okay. Nobody told me. The only one person they ever told me to book was Savannah Hernandez. And I was like, no.

[A]

Right.

[D]

But the idea of funding isn't. We're going to tell you what to do. It's they find people who are against the mainstream media because the mainstream media are against Russia, and they try to amplify. And I'm not saying, like, just because this is what I had to say in my Parliament hearing with the Canadian government. They're like, well, you were paid to

[B]

say really well on that.

[D]

Thank you. You were paid to say that Canadians have problems with grocery prices, immigration. And I'm like, I wasn't paid to say that. Those are genuine problems Canadians worry about.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Those are real problems. But there is a truth that when Russia or China or Israel fund certain people, even if they don't know, I think most of the time they do do. There is a purpose behind what they're doing.

[B]

I've heard this argument, though, that it's

[D]

like, you think they just did it for.

[B]

No, no, no, no reason. No. But I've heard this argument, like, okay, if Russia likes your. Your positions, then maybe you should realize that and reevaluate your position. So I've heard that.

[D]

I don't agree with that.

[B]

I've heard that. Right. And I'm thinking, well, that's ridiculous, because this is legitimately how we feel. These are the debates that I set up that I thought people would want to see, that I thought were important to have. It was both sides of the table and guess what? But decide that I preferred lost a lot of times in a lot of those debates. So, like, I. I don't think that that's. You know, I think what they want to do is they want to grow. This is what I'm thinking, in the end, they wanted to do with Tenant was grow a platform big enough right to where it started getting attention, and then they could insert whatever they want on an already big platform. Maybe that was it. But I don't think it's like, you know, they liked what Tim was saying so much.

[D]

No, I don't think it was that.

[A]

I don't think it was, to Lauren's point, though, like, the foreign influence and stuff like that. I mean, you. You maybe you do see music.

[B]

Anybody we know?

[A]

Let me get. Let me get a word in here. The. The point that I'm making. This is a girl. The point that I'm making because right now, you know, Hassan. Hassan Piker's under investigation for ties to China. And there's definitely a lot of that kind of stuff that comes from the left. There's allegations everybody loves to blame Israel for paying everybody. And there are definitely people that are. That are. Are, you know, very pro Israel and. And stuff. So the, the idea that all of the, the, I guess independent media is somehow on the take, I think that's overstating it. But there's definitely a significant portion of the, the independent media.

[B]

That's a lot of money.

[C]

If you rely on ad revenue, you're basically compelled to the corp. Well, not,

[A]

that's not what we're talking about though. Not, we're not talking about like ad money. We're talking about like actual, actual foreign influence from countries.

[D]

Even for tweets, people send. Like there are people that work within the political space that are given large sums of money just to talk to influencers and say, hey, tweet out that you like this candidate. Tweet out that you. And I've, I've been contacted by these people I know people who get tons of money doing this all day long and none of it is ever going to be discovered until maybe like 10 years from now. It's like any sort of crazy theory. We find out the CIA was doing XYZ like 50 years later when they release the documents or do the actual studies. And when you're in it and you've. I've lived in the media ecosystem for 10 years. Years. Like, it's so scary because I see it and I see all of the stuff that the public don't see and no one's going to talk about it because we're all benefiting too much. There's too much money to be.

[A]

So take, take, take, let's take. I want to take this example. People love to say that the NRA pays a lot of people, but who does? Well, no, but the point that I'm making is the NRA tends to find people that are already pro gun and fund them. Right. Do you think that the situation is. And I think that that's probably the most likely the situation. Right? Like if China is involved in, or China or Cuba are somehow involved in giving Hassan Piker money. They're not giving Hassan Piker money to change his opinion. He already has these opinions and they're just trying to promote him.

[D]

Yes and no. So like in 20.

[A]

So, so the point that I make is how, how disingenuous is, is it if people are like, oh, this person has these opinions, so let's promote them.

[D]

And I think it's more convoluted than people even give it credit to. It's like Inception, because I remember in 2018 I was invited to Russia and I went there that summer and I was invited there by a Belgian politician who like I paid for Everything. But he just kind of made little suggestions here and there. And he kept insisting, go to the Donbass and do a story on the Russian oppression there. You need to do this. I can get you military access. This and that. It felt way too weird to me. So I said no. I go home. Years later I find out he was a Chinese spy.

[A]

Spy.

[D]

He was arrested as a Chinese spy. And not only that, years later I find out, oh my goodness, Russia has invaded the Donbass based on this exact reason he wanted me to do a documentary on. So that could have felt very genuine. Oh, I have this person that lives in this region telling me I should do a story on this. I'm gonna go do that story. Little do I know I'm doing pre war propaganda for a foreign nation. Right. So it's like there are people that are. I think a lot of people are doing it knowingly and I think a lot of people are being influenced unwittingly. The bots too. Massive audience capture. People are being pushed to have certain opinions by people paying thousands of bots to say, you're a dumb whore if you don't say this. You're. You're a cuck if you don't say that. And it affects. We're all psychologically prone to be affected by this. And then the mass follows what the influencers and the bots say.

[C]

So you'll get not only a foreign influencer that's funding a creator that they agree with, but then they'll also potentially be funding bot campaigns to get that creator to change their opinions 100%. And also about foreign money. Like, how deep does the inception go? Because if I take a contract from an American business that's 20% owned by some guy that owns like 19 companies, one of them is a Russian company. It turns out that his grandpa owns like a Russian oil rig and he's got like a trust. And so.

[D]

But that's how it works.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

They're never doing it so that you're going to find where the money, all

[C]

of our money is coming from the bank for International Settlements in Switzerland. All of our Federal Reserve money is tied to Swiss money. It's foreign money. This whole American system is propped up by foreign money. Right. Now, I know that's a. A little more esoteric. We're not talking about direct funding from like a. A British oligarch. But yeah, it's like you got to kind of. If you don't. But the thing is also you kind of have an. An obligation to due diligence where you have to kind of be like, hey, where did you get your money? Where did that guy get his money? And like, at some point you're like, come on. I don't care where your investors. Investor. Investor Got his money from. Like, although it should matter, but like, come on.

[D]

No, I agree, but that's. That's the problem. I don't really think anyone is to blame for this. It's like, it's just been the slow march towards a certain direction, and everyone, to survive, has had to kind of acquiesce in it at least. Like, you have to basically commit political suicide to not be playing these games.

[C]

I think crowdfunding is where it's at. If you can get.

[D]

People don't trust crowdfunding anymore because there's been so many scams. I used to do crowdfunding back in the day, and then it was like scam after scam after scam. And crowdfunding is getting more difficult unless you have, like, massive media backing already.

[C]

Like a monthly fee, like nine bucks a month.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

For your website.

[D]

Yeah, that. But that's where I think stuff like Tim Cast and others have managed to build themselves a little more organically from the beginning. But then even Tim got caught up in the tenet stuff, and even audience capture is still there. And then you have to acquiesce to the culture of clickbait to remain relevant. So it's. Everything is leaning in the direction of. Of were intellectually screwed.

[C]

Like, become part of the machine or fade away.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Or start an entirely new technocracy that. I mean, I, I'm. I. I do have faith in Elon's X movement.

[D]

With faith in Elon's X, I think

[C]

he's starting corporate governance coming out of Switzerland is like an. It's an inevitable force rolling towards us. Dismantling national.

[A]

Yeah, guys, we got some breaking news here from.

[C]

That's all right. We've been expecting this, actually.

[A]

Yeah. From NBC. Grant Platner drops out of Senate race, allowing Democrats to replace him. His decision comes within days of a key deadline, allowing Maine's Democratic Party to select a new candidate to face Republican Senator Susan Collins in a critical contest for Senate control. Hey, Carter, let me have that. This here for a second. We're going to play this. Do we have the video? We have a. There's an X video that we have. Here we go. Let me get. Grab this real quick and then I'll give it back over to you.

[B]

Carter does that whole right turn.

[A]

Well, you know, I mean, it's Breaking news.

[C]

So.

[A]

Breaking news. So we're going to go ahead and. Guy, let's see. Play this. Get some audio on that.

[C]

Yeah, let me get the mouse from you.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Let's take her back to the beginning. Give it to me. Graham, make sure we got the tab on mute. I feel for this guy, dude. I don't steamrolled, bro.

[A]

He did it all. He did it to.

[D]

What are you talking about?

[C]

He did it to himself.

[A]

He's the guy that got the Nazi tattoo. He's the guy that was sexting with. Allegedly sexting with. With women that. While he was married. He's the guy that had a kick account, you know, which is a platform that generally has people underage. This is all like, his own stuff. This has nothing to do with. There's no reason to feel bad for him.

[C]

Shout out to kick, by the way.

[D]

Well, you know what? Graham Platner isn't here, so we probably shouldn't talk about it.

[C]

Talk about him behind his back, man.

[A]

I'm. This whole, like, we have no audio on this. Apparently you were just mentioning, like, here, try this.

[C]

The commentary industry. It is a little facetious because, like, we're. We're changing the world in real time as we talk about what's happening. It's not like it's in a vacuum and we're. We're talking about a piece of plastic on the wall over there. Like, Graham might see this show tonight later. So, like, whatever we do here is deeply impacting.

[A]

I mean, the point is, like, this is actual, like, news from. From Graham Platner. We're trying to get the audio. I don't think the audio.

[D]

Okay, what do you guys think of this, though? What do you think of the accusations and everything?

[C]

I think it's weird.

[B]

The left didn't care about the money came from a Republican woman, but as soon as it came from a socialist, lefty woman, now they care. And now it's Believe all women. And now they believe them, and now they want to mount. But that's really only because he's losing. Losing.

[A]

Well, I think it's because he's losing.

[C]

He was dating.

[A]

I don't think he's losing it.

[C]

Like.

[B]

No, he was. He was behind. He's behind. Yeah. Behind.

[A]

Well, I think. Look, I mean, honestly, like, he has enough. Any of the individual allegations against him were probably enough to. To tank a candidacy, you know, 10 years ago or so, whether it be sexting or whether it be the Internet. What.

[C]

Definitely before the Internet, like.

[A]

Well, I mean, honestly, to be. To be Fair with you. To be fair. Honestly, before Donald Trump. Trump, right. Before Donald Trump, the, the. This was kind of the thing that would end a career. And, or at least any one individual allegation was enough to end a career. And now, you know, it takes significant continuous allegations for him to finally step down. But like, this kind of thing is, is nowadays, it takes so much to get someone to, to be booted from a campaign. You know, man, I honestly, I do think that, that a lot of that is because of Donald Trump. Just because Donald Trump has always been, has been so like, you know, I don't care what people say, I'm going to keep doing it. Partially it's because, I think partially it's because of Donald Trump and also partially because the, the left has been so good at sliming even people like Mitt Romney, right? Like Mitt Romney was called a Nazi. They, they were saying that Mitt Romney intentionally killed a dog. And Republicans just kind of got to the point where they were just like, no, know, we don't care what you say because you're going to say all these things anyways. And that's a sentiment that you see online a lot, right? A lot of the people that are like, oh, you know, you're. You're a racist, blah, blah, blah. And people are just like, look, unless you have something, some, some actual thing that I've said or whatever, that's actually racist, I don't care what you, what accusation you throw at me. Just because you say, oh, you, this policy means that you're a racist, I'm just going to disregard what you say. That's kind of where we've gone. And that means that allegations like the ones against Platner and stuff, like, they, they get kind of taken with a grain of salt and it takes things mounting over and over.

[C]

Before we were talking about the show, we're talking about, you know, male and female ways of like, tearing each other apart. And one of them is, I said female version is like character assassination. This is a very feminist. This whole, like, cancel culture thing is a very feminist. It's not necessarily feminist. More is feminine way of like, dismantling your apartment.

[A]

Yeah, but it's on the Internet. You can't, you can't expect people to be like, oh, oh, I'm gonna go physically get into a confrontation with this guy. You know, it's like when you're dealing with, with posting things on the Internet, you don't have any other recourse other than to say, well, this person is making these accusations so I'm going to respond to these accusations. Etc. The, the Internet kind of fosters that kind of interaction.

[D]

Are you okay? I'm just fine.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, she's fine.

[A]

Okay. Tension about what?

[B]

No, that's in your head. Totally fine. Lauren can handle herself. She's totally fine.

[D]

Okay. Oh, I just thinking, you know, he, I don't know why he would run for the Democrats if he had all this in his past, you know, because honestly, they're a little more critical of this. Whereas like I, once again, there's like a lot of people on the right that have way worse accusations than him that get endlessly defended on the right. That's kind of like the thing right now. Like, what's his face? Who's the guy that just wrote the Christian book? How did 10 days become Christian? Seven days?

[A]

Oh my God, I have no idea.

[C]

Tell me.

[A]

I'm going to look it up.

[B]

Admitted to a lot of degeneration.

[D]

People immediately kind of turn to like the right wing culture because obviously they're going to be a little more skeptical because there was the whole 2015, 2016 anti feminist stuff, which I think there was a lot of fair critique there about, you know, the MeToo going too far, everything. But there's also, I think it's overcorrected to now. It's become like a safe haven. Whereas I genuinely believe if Graham Platner had suddenly become right wing, everyone that that's on him would defend him right now.

[B]

That's, that's probably a fair statement. I mean, I've seen people defend people for ridiculous things plenty of times. I see people keep secrets that they shouldn't that are similar to this plenty of times. Right.

[A]

That point. To that point. But there's, there's not a lot of people that are defending, you know, other people that are right wing, you know, just for an example, Elijah Schaefer, there's nobody that's really coming to his defense. You know what I mean?

[B]

I've been accused of coming to his defense.

[A]

Well, okay, okay. You don't even go on the Internet though. You, you yourself, you say that.

[B]

No, I just said. I just say I'm not gonna. And again, math him because he's my friend, but he.

[A]

And you know, the point that I'm making is so like the what I'm understand what I'm understanding. Lauren.

[D]

Pretty explicit example. That's pretty like in everyone's face. Like, I don't think there's anyone, you

[A]

think the level of, of the, it's

[D]

like such an extreme Level, like, everyone can see. Like, even Richard Spencer was just tweeting him saying, are you okay, bro? The other day, you know, it's like everyone out here is like, okay.

[A]

You're.

[D]

You're very clearly dealing with. With, you know, the Internet, fame stuff, drugs. You know, the whole. Because it is a drugs, sex and rock and roll lifestyle in the right wing sphere that, you know, people catch up these things.

[B]

I am not invited to the drug warn people. We never did drugs together.

[A]

I will tell you in the firsthand experience, the drug, sex and rock and roll thing is not really a thing nowadays. You go backstage and it's this.

[D]

It's dissident media. It's dis media. Yeah. Cocaine, love. But if you go to, like, the Daily Wire, obviously it's going to have a very different culture. Very different culture.

[B]

Yeah, but like, even the Turning Point things, right? Like, I hear things. Listen, I've hear. I've heard things about Turning Point things, right? No, I. I will be. But like, I. I totally. I got invited to some parties, but I never saw people doing drugs. I never saw orgies. I did know that people hooked up and went and did their own hotel rooms. But, like, what we're talking, like, what Madison Callthorne was talking about with the orgies. I worked on the Hill forever. I was never invited. I'm kind of offended that I wasn't.

[C]

Yeah, but you're allowed. They know you would have been. Make some noise.

[D]

But like, I'm gonna take it as a compliment.

[B]

But, like, I'm kind of offended that I wasn't invited to these because I would have went. But like, I'm not. I'm not cool enough to go. Fine, sure, whatever. Maybe I'm old. But like, so I. So I don't know about all of it being like, I hear rumors obviously, of things, but like, that, like, you don't do that. Tim doesn't do that. Like, people I know aren't really engaging in that.

[C]

It's easy to do because there's a lot of money and fame and it's a lot of people that are drugs.

[B]

We've gone outside karaoke and had some beers. Okay, but here's the thing. I haven't seen you do that. Right.

[D]

But that's the problem with the Internet is they're like, well, I haven't seen my favorite influencer do these things, so it must not be true. But they are.

[A]

I haven't done a lot of drugs.

[D]

I'm not saying everyone. I'm not saying everyone. I'm just Saying it's very common. And there's. The problem with the right is that there is more of a, you know, a pressure to keep up a certain image. And people really kill themselves and bend over backwards to try to keep that image publicly. And I don't blame them. You know, and it. Sometimes it's like the.

[B]

I think there's a virtue in wanting it, wanting to live this way. And then, yeah, people fall short because they're human and they're. They, you know, we are sinners and we are all.

[A]

There's a difference. There's a difference between falling short and going out for a weekend and raging, just railing lines of coke, right? Like, there's a distinct difference between that. Like, if you're.

[B]

Like, you have some psychological trauma and like, there's something wrong with you and like, you know, you. You've had something. I don't know. I'm not trying to make excuses for people. I don't encourage that. I don't think anybody should do that. I think that's not good. But I just don't think that if they're trying. Like if they're. They're trying to live their life righteously and then they fall off the wagon, that they're irredeemable and that what they're saying is now not no longer true.

[D]

The Internet isn't the right place to have these conversations often because it's just a bunch of sharks waiting for blood, but also because the Internet isn't the place to have these conversations. But post Covid, we've all been forced to have our reality on the Internet. I don't think we're having a lot of honest conversations about what life really is like, because I agree with that. It's just no one, no one, Everyone wants to put their best foot forward. No one wants to talk about the ugly underbelly of everything. And we're all friends, like, everyone's friends behind the scenes. So they're all covering up for each other all the time. And I'm not saying that's bad.

[B]

There's a lot, like, there's a lot of things I keep quiet only because I don't want reputational, like somebody to come attack me and make things up.

[D]

It's like a big Mexican standoff all the time.

[B]

Definitely is. There is a lot of that going on.

[D]

And I just, like, I chose to blow the suicide vest and say whatever. I don't. I really don't care if people hate me. But I'm just. It was killing me internally to not just Talk honestly about what I think all the time.

[A]

Don't you think the people that are so like for, and this might be a little bit of a, a right term, but like someone like, like Asmin Gold.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Right. That dude talks about how he doesn't shower. That dude like bears just, just bears all the truth.

[C]

I like and he gets.

[A]

But I think that, that that's something that people like about him.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So like, like be honest.

[C]

He doesn't show his desk though on stream. Like if you saw absolutely shown.

[A]

He's shown his house.

[C]

He show pictures of it, he'd know.

[D]

He's shown video relentlessly but that won't be used against him.

[A]

The point that I'm making is when you, when you actually tell, when you tell people the truth. Right. Like that is actually something that's first of all endearing, but it also takes weapons away from people that would attack you.

[B]

Yeah, agreed. But people are, and I've been saying this for a long time, craving authenticity. Right. Like just like there, there's so many like you look at the Fox News types or the, you know, buttoned up people right in front of their things just reading a teleprompter or like people don't want to see that anymore and they want you to be real and they want to feel like they can trust you. And if you say things like I don't shower for a couple days, you seem more authentic and honest. Right.

[D]

Like that's, it's, it's admissions against your own interests that I believe. Right. If you're saying something that it's like, oh, you're going to lose money, followers or reputational status, I'll believe that anything that's not an admission against interest on the Internet, you can, it's like, do you believe it? I don't know. It's hard to tell.

[B]

I mean, but sometimes people even do things that are against their own interest for other nefarious reasons too.

[D]

That's true. They could be playing underwater back gammon.

[B]

I mean, I'm just saying, like I've seen that too. I just think that what you need to realize is that everybody is human, everybody is flawed. We all have issues that we deal with. And I, but I really believe, and maybe I don't believe this, but I, I guess I'm torn. I do think that for a lot of, a lot of the times that people are saying the things that they really do believe, I, I don't think anybody is in here saying things that they don't agree with. Do I think they do it for the right intentions. Probably not.

[D]

I think this is where the problem. Like when we were arguing earlier, and this is what I always. With political arguments, like, I'm frustrated, and that wasn't political by Tommy, because he's lied about me, and I know he knows he's lied about me. You are friends with him, and this is someone you love and someone you care about. So you're going to defend him. I don't think, like, even if we sat here and we looked at the court cases together, I think it would be a very different conversation. But it's always. I think if I showed you some

[B]

of my stuff, too, it might be a little different conversation. I mean, so I'm just saying I think it would be.

[D]

But it's like, you recognize that, though. It's like, no one in the audience always recognizes when. It's like, emotions at point that people don't talk about.

[B]

He's done things for me that my. I don't even know if my family would do.

[D]

So you're gonna defend him to the end of the year. It doesn't matter what the evidence shows.

[B]

No, the evidence, that's not true, because I've seen him do some other things that, you know, I'm like, gail, what are you doing? You know what I mean? Like, but. But I do love him, and I don't see him being a nefarious, bad person in his heart, because I've seen him. He.

[D]

I don't think he's nefarious either. I think a lot of people in politics have lost their minds, like Elijah Schaefer. I think they've literally. The drugs and the mask has become.

[B]

Tommy did something for me and never told me, never told me. I found out six months later from somebody else that that was only because it was the right thing to do. And so when I hear people accuse him of doing things, that's great.

[D]

And he did something to me that was the wrong thing to do. Right. And that's. These are our own personal experiences. I have evidence to support mine. Yours. You probably have evidence to support yours. And you got to let people just decide and look at the evidence. But in my case, I like, I care about it more because there's court cases involved. There's very serious allegations involved. Right. But it's. My point is, like, a lot of the political world is emotional. Would you guys agree? Sorry, we've taken over. I feel.

[C]

Define a lot. I mean, I think emotions are emotional. Emotions play a huge effect in who clicks what. Which is where the money comes from. So I think, yes, the short answer to your question is feelings.

[D]

Don't care about your facts.

[C]

Would, you know, people remember the way they feel when they hang out with you? They don't remember what you said as much. They care about how they felt.

[A]

I think that. I think that that Michael Malice kind of has his finger on the pulse when he says that people are narrative driven. They are not truth driven. So, like, they have a particular worldview. So when things align with their worldview, that's the stuff that they're going to respond to. And yes, of course, that is shaped by emotion and stuff. And people will look for, for, quote, unquote facts that.

[B]

That cognitive bias. They're going to find things that support their arguments. That's what they're going to highlight and ignore the rest.

[C]

This plays into discernment because I started YouTube in 2006 and I was like, what would Jesus Christ do with this tech? He'd be honest on the Internet. So I did it. I went crazy. Radical open honesty. You watch my first 600 videos. It's insane. Honesty, openness. I destroyed so many relationships because I didn't know when to stop. You have to learn the fire hose and how to let these. Because it's emotional. You're communicating emotionally with tone.

[D]

Are you always being honest when it's just your emotion running? Because it has to be like a balance of both. Right. Because the facts have to inform emotion. Vice versa.

[C]

If I wake up and I eat a bunch of poison and then I look at a guy and I'm like, I hate the way he looks. He's such a. And then I yell about how he's a thing. I'm being honest, but it's because I.

[D]

It's.

[C]

I work my own perception. And now my new honesty is this new perception.

[D]

So much of the news. Yeah.

[C]

I have responsibility for creating. Yeah. Did that answer your question?

[D]

Yeah, I think. Sorry. I think so.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Do we have.

[C]

Discernment is the word of the day. Honesty and discernment, those two things in tandem.

[A]

I mean, look, you're.

[C]

You're.

[A]

Your attempts at being honest don't mean that you have to divulge every little thing about yourself. Yourself.

[C]

Correct. It just means you don't lie.

[A]

I struggle with this too clearly.

[C]

What?

[A]

Carter, do you have the audio for this thing here?

[C]

I'm working on it.

[A]

Honestly, I cannot grand platter for a second. A bunch. So let me. Let me go ahead and bring up the. This here. Sorry if I'm taking the too much discernment. So from NBC News Grand Platter announced Wednesday he's ending his Senate campaign, capping a chaotic few days of uncertainty and Democratic infighting and leaving the party without a candidate candidate in the vitally important main race this fall. The announcement by the populist progressive came after woman he dated accused him of sexual assault in 2021, causing his support to hemorrhage even among top Democrat allies who rescinded their endorsement and called him to called on him to drop out. In a video message posted on xplatner denied the allegations as false, but he said he has placed an immense amount of weight on him and as he only has until Monday to decide whether to continue his candidacy, he said if he continued, he'd lose his ability to fundra access voter data and run a campaign. What comes next needs to come from the people, needs to come from the people of Maine, platner said. It needs to be open, transparent and Democratic. It needs to be reflecting the will and the values of the people that built this movement, which is actually kind of funny considering he said that he wants to select who is going to be replacing him. So do you guys feel like Platner has his finger on the pulse of Maine or do you think that he's just looking for someone that is going to be be. And I look, I'm an open partisan. I make no bones about it. Like I'm anti leftist. So just so we all know here, do you think that he's just looking for someone that would actually be be approved by the DSA or the, the far left? Because he tends to be a fairly far left candidate?

[C]

I don't know if he's actually looking for approval.

[A]

I think no, no, he's not looking for, he's looking for a candidate that would be approved of.

[C]

By the way, that might be true. I bet this is like a both giving him a chance to kind of get his, you know, his feelings involved in the process, but also giving him the, the parties giving him a chance to save face and look like he's not a dog getting kicked out in the middle of the night.

[A]

So like I mean everybody, I mean to say that giving him a chance to save face. I mean like literally everybody has come out and said he needs to drop out but just official did Ronna came out and said it. I don't know for sure if Sanders has that Sanders has said it. Sanders, you know, basically all the important people in the Democrat Party have said okay, you need to drop out.

[C]

Only that if he has any hand in selecting or being involved in who comes after him, that he's saving a little bit of face. Like they, they're showing that they have a bit of respect for him. In that case, what do you mean? Otherwise, like your, your opinion matters nothing.

[A]

You got nothing to say Now?

[B]

I think, I think because I think it's all a bunch of nonsense, honestly. Like, it's the same nonsense over and over again. Like they're. Or who gives a. I don't care. That's what, that's how I feel.

[C]

What specifically?

[B]

Well, like, like why would I care? Like what. Who he thinks he's going to appoint. Like if they're going to put up a leftist anyway, right? Like, does it matter if it's like a Democrat, socialist or a, a communist or. They're all the same to me, right? Like that. That's how I feel.

[A]

It's going to matter if the person could be elected because Susan Collins, whether or not she's an actually good Republican and people argue about that maybe sits. No, no. Well, I mean, look, that's totally wrong because look on it, I am not a, I'm not a fan of a fan of Susan Collins, but she does hold the seat and prevent an actually say, active Democrat from sitting there.

[B]

I, I agree. I'm just saying that like the question that you asked were like, do you think that he wants to. He has his finger on the pulse and he, you know, he wants to elect a Democrat, like a real far lefty person. I'm like, I don't care. He's going to do that. Like that's what they're going to. That's what they want to put in there. That's what's happen going to. To happen. Like, well, why are we speculating about what.

[A]

Well, because. Well, it matters because if they put someone that's actually far left, then it makes Susan. It would ostensibly. It would make. It would ostensibly make Susan Collins chances better because she's considered a moderate. She goes against.

[B]

They're going to put a far lefty in there because if you look at all the candidates that are coming out, popping up all over the left wing of the party, they are all further and further to the left than they have been in 20 years.

[A]

Well, yeah, but.

[B]

Okay, so that's. It's going to be that.

[C]

Anyway, I think it was Polymarket or, or one of the Kalshi, one of these two betting platforms said that when Platner is this, I don't want to mistake this, that if he drops out that the Republicans actually Have a worst chance. Worst chance? Yeah, because his replacement will be worse than him is what.

[A]

Well, no, they're, they're saying that the Republicans have a worse chance because Susan Collins has like she kind of underperforms the, the polls or over performs the polls. Like historically she, she polls at, you know, X and she does better than the kind of.

[B]

That's because it's hard to meet an incumbent, like I said yesterday, because of all the resources that they have that come out of the mra. That is why get the budget for the, for the office. Because she gets all those touches all the year that he doesn't. And it's not just funded by the campaign dollars, it's funded by our tax dollars, the MRA budget. So that's why.

[A]

But like that's the only reason she does better.

[B]

It's what part of the. Yeah, a very big part of the reason why she does better.

[A]

So then why is the. Why doesn't that reflect in polling?

[B]

Because like who, who have you. Have you been pulled? Who are they? Who's polling people?

[A]

I don't live in Maine.

[B]

Well, I'm just saying like a Brady has been pulled. Have you been pulled?

[C]

I've never been pulled.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Or no, I've never taken a poll,

[A]

let's be fair, like an official poll.

[B]

But I know I don't really ever trust poll. She outperforms polls because she's the incumbent and she has extra touches. And you know, there's people in Maine that are not motivated by, I don't know, the Internet. Like there's, you know, older people that are not in, that are just like getting their mailers and happy with their constituents like services.

[D]

This is what people super forget. Like if you look at the election with Rupert Low in the uk, everyone, if you were on X, you would have thought he had stolen that election. You know, at least he was going to go past Nigel Farage. But what did he get? Like 3% of the votes.

[B]

People think that Facebook likes and Twitter equals votes and it never does. It just never does that.

[A]

No, well, that's because. That's because of the people that actually voters they still I've ever seen overcome.

[B]

That is Brandon Herrera.

[D]

Yes, that's it. But that's because he's like a normal person.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

He was out doing like retail politics. He was actually going out doing the work.

[B]

Yeah. There's a lot of people that think that they're going to get like all their Facebook likes and that's enough and that's going to move the needle and it's not. I mean, we see it in smaller districts too. Like, you'll have, you know, these Facebook crazy ladies that, like, try to ratio the incumbent member of Congress and then they're like, I'm going to run.

[D]

Ratios literally mean nothing.

[C]

Do you think that Mr. Beast could run for president and win

[A]

without a political party?

[B]

You don't.

[A]

Not at all.

[D]

Because all of his audience are 12 year olds. Like, what do we do?

[C]

Well, they were like 10 years ago or six.

[D]

You don't stay a Mr. Beast fan once you're like, past puberty.

[B]

You know, he's weird and he's weird,

[A]

but yeah, he's so famous, it doesn't matter. But he's not famous with the.

[D]

Right. On an iPad. It's like they literally think these people on their iPads are God. Like, and like, oh, you told me to hit. Like, I will hit. Like, you know, it's that. That is all. And that's why, like, you look at the influencers of old and someone made a video. Everyone watched it that month. Like, everyone watched it. Everyone knew who Fred was. Everyone watched Harry Potter Puppet pals, everyone. And watched Taking the Hobbits to Eisen Guard.

[B]

No idea what any of that is.

[D]

The millennial generation that were on YouTube, they were like, a video would come out and people knew what it was. Now there's so many videos and people are watching them so quickly and hitting like, on every single one. Fame is different now.

[C]

Oh, you think Beast has diffused. His fame is diffused in the last five years or six years.

[D]

A lot of young people.

[A]

Yeah, it's just the people

[D]

in real

[A]

politics, the people that vote are not young people generally. Right. You get the people that are voting are boomers. Boomers. They're maybe some of the. Maybe Gen X. Older millennials. Those are the people that are reliable voters. So if you see people on the Internet that are getting a ton of likes, that still tends to be younger millennials. Gen Z, maybe Gen Alpha. Especially when you're dealing with something like Mr. Beast. Right? Like, that's probably Gen Alpha, maybe younger Gen Z. So, like, that doesn't translate into actual votes. Because getting people out to vote when they're young people is almost impossible. Getting older people out to vote is something that you can rely on when

[B]

you're talking about Mr. Beast. Right. People actually do care. Like, we've seen famous people run before and they're like, yeah, but okay, they're famous, but like, what are their policies? Like, they're not qualified. They've only been a YouTuber forever. They only been at XYZ forever. It doesn't translate. It just does it.

[A]

To the campaign world, Donald Trump is an anomaly. Donald Trump is not the norm.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

He might be setting a standard of populism. I don't think you need political parties to win neither. George Washington and fame is.

[A]

Absolutely need political parties.

[C]

No, no. George Washington in his, in his farewell

[A]

campaign speech and 50 years, he didn't

[C]

have a political party either.

[A]

He didn't need one again 150 years ago.

[C]

I know. That's the point. True. He said they're going to devolve into these like tit for tat party politic things where people are like, I value the party, whatever the party. And it's like, bro, look for the best people.

[A]

Look, the point that, I mean, at the same time that you're saying you don't need a political party to, to win, you consistently say, oh, but look at the money. Look at the money. Like that the money is reflected through the party.

[C]

It's what you do with the money that I talk about, which is the fame. It's the TV shows, it's the, the Tim Pool IRL, Mr. Beast Channel. Like, that's what people buy with that campaign money. And when you have it, you don't need the money.

[A]

I don't know. I don't. It's not, it's not the fame. Donald Trump, like I said, is an anomaly. Just because someone famous is running doesn't mean they're a shoe in. Look, the only person that I think that might actually be able to translate fame into actual political victories and Ronald Reagan.

[C]

Just kidding. He was an actor though.

[A]

He was also the guy Arnold Schwarzenegger. Would you stop?

[C]

Okay, you're next.

[A]

In the current, in the current day. Right. Like, I think Spencer, Spencer Pratt might have some mojo to be able to get into like national politics, but not like at the president. Like he might be able to win a congressional seat, but like that's like the only guy that I can think of that has a level of fame and he doesn't. He wasn't even like particularly famous. Like he was on a, like on a, like on a reality show. Right. But he's got, he's got a very good team when it comes to social media. And his policies right now seem to be, you know, fairly friendly to be, seem to be being received by the right. Fairly friendly. So he, that's something he might be able to turn into, into real tangible electoral wins. But I mean, even still, like, you're still, you're looking at a guy that just lost, right? Like whether you believe that the California elections are actually fair or not. That's kind of besides the point. He lost the California election at least as far as the tally goes. So that the, the idea that it, that either money or fame translate into electoral success, that's just not true.

[C]

So you think it's like what happens. The reason I brought this up because you were saying like the tit for tat behind the scenes that she's got connections with her. What is it? Mra, mo she's an incumbent and she

[A]

didn't get there because she's, she has

[C]

like background connections that like she has,

[B]

she has more money to spend to reach out to constituents, people that voters. While like in the off season she's got year like she, she doesn't have to spend campaign money up until 90 days, days before the election. So she has like our tax dollars to fund reaching out to people and talking to constituents all year except for the 90 day blackout period right before the election. That's when she has to spend her money. Now he has to spend his money all the whole entire time to make the same amount. There's a disparity between how much money

[A]

that goes for all incumbents.

[C]

Crazy that a candidate can spend tax spend my money to run for office. Well, I'm planning on voting against a

[B]

tricky way around it. There's this thing called franking, right. And you have to get the language approved. It can't sound like campaigning, but if you send a postcard to somebody, tell them like we, you know, Our office fixed 872passports this year and we fixed blah, blah, blah, blah blah and talk about and highlight all the things that you've already done to help people in your thing while it's communicating with your consultants, constituents and not quote, campaigning. It still is a touch and it still affects how they, the, the, the citizens of your district.

[A]

You're spending all this time talking about your, your accolades as a representative or as a, as a senator. And it's not saying oh you should vote for me in the fall, but you're reminding them all, consistently reminding them these are the good things that I've done for our, our, you know, our, our district.

[C]

Joe Biden, he did that at his State of the Union. They called it a State of the Union. All he did was talk about the things he did that were good. It was like in, right before the 2024 election. It was so just a transparent running for office electoral Committee Everybody else is busy. Is what I'm saying boring or is it true, like you can become, you don't need political parties, you can become famous enough to win or is it just because it's an old boys club and they'll just shut you out in the background?

[B]

No, it's not that they shut you out. It's just that people are finicky. Like they like part of Spencer Pratt, right? And they're like, oh, Spencer Pratt, he was on tv. Like, what does he really know about policy? And then I saw people questioning him and then this one guy, I forget who it was, he was like, no. I went in and I checked on who he, you know, was going to bring into the administration. It's like legit. Like he really has them and they're really on board and, and like people, people, people kind of put you in buckets. Like they'll say, oh, you don't have enough experience to do xyz. But like, like the other congressman does. Like, nobody knows. I studied politics for how long before I like in college and was trained to do it. When I to went down there was completely different than you would expect it to be. So you don't really know what it's like till you're down there and nobody really has experience until they do it. Like this is part of why I was, we were talking about yesterday with the term limits or whatever. Like you, you don't really know it's like till you're down there anyway. So nobody has experience but they will kind of put you in a bucket. Like, well, he's not a lawyer. What experience do they have? And, and they're the biases that the people have. It really has nothing to do with, you know, how much they like a candidate.

[A]

This is, this is another thing where I say that Donald Trump is an anomaly because Donald able to say, look, you know, I have this business experience and that tends to be at least with the right, the right light says, well, you know, he knows how to run businesses. He's, he's got experience in the business world etc. And he also came with a message that no Republican had said. Remember when he came down and he was like, oh, we're going to get rid of the illegals, they're sending their blah, blah, blah. Like that was something that was shocking to people. And there were people that, and myself included, I didn't have a concept of illegal immigration being a significant problem in 2016. And then the more more he pointed at it, the more he shed light on it, the More. I was like, oh, wow, this is actually something real.

[B]

I think why he. He really won is because I remember, like, older people, my parents, that generation, that demographic were like, oh, he's saying the things that we always say to ourselves out loud or at the dinner table. And he's real. He's like one of us. That's like the vibe that he got. And it was that authenticity that I said that people were craving. But he broke that down now like, like, okay, that's been done. It was a shock then. And they were like, yeah, but now they still want. They. They've reverted back to like, okay, we've. We've seen that now. We were reverting back to, like, what experience do you have?

[C]

What authenticity does speak true? Like, Spencer Pratt's very authentic. And I think if they're gonna.

[B]

I think that was stolen from him. But, like, it is a. It is a thing where if that

[C]

narrative surfaces of, like, he doesn't have enough experience, it would surface through the media in some fashion, whether articles written or TV shows. So, like, you have countermedia with a YouTube channel with 80 million subscribers and you're getting 60 million views per episode every week. You can counter that non experience argument very easily.

[A]

Well, I don't know that you can counter it. I mean, if. If people. If there's a narrative out there that says that you don't have experience, you have to convince people that you can still do the job even without experience.

[C]

He's got to think at least some water.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All that fast talking.

[A]

I'm like, yeah, you. You were like, oh, I don't have anything to say. Like, before the show. I don't have anything to say. It's always a lie. You've got a million things to say on every.

[C]

What Lauren has to say.

[D]

I don't care.

[B]

Keep saying that.

[A]

She's here. She's. She was here to take Tim to task, and now we've stolen that from.

[C]

That just feels like a wet noodle. Cuz Grand Platner's video didn't play. What were you saying? I'm working on it.

[D]

Guys, let's move on to the Charlie Kirk stuff.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

All right, I want to say we

[A]

hear this for 10 foot reasons. Where did this go?

[C]

I just don't want to talk about Candace.

[A]

We're moving on.

[D]

No one wants to talk about the stuff that's actually corrosive to the political conversation because they're so afraid of the people doing it.

[C]

No, I like Candace.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

I don't want to talk about Candace because.

[B]

All right.

[A]

So from CBS News. Enough ladies.

[D]

Enough, ladies.

[B]

No, you need to know it's about the procedural.

[A]

Okay, Can I get the headline and then you'll go ahead and get your.

[B]

I just want everybody to know what this is. Just let me freaking say what I have to say. This is a pre trial hearing just so everybody knows what a pretrial hearing is. They are presenting evidence. They're not presenting all their evidence. Okay. Like a grand jury to see if this will actually go to real trial. A lot of people know that. So I just want to make that clear before you go.

[A]

And they don't, they don't care. From CBS News, roommate of suspect, suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination given immunity in exchange for recorded statements. The preliminary hearing for the man charged with killing conservative activist Charlie Kirk resumed Wednesday afternoon with defense attorneys questioning the reliability of DNA testing that prosecutors say links the defendant to the suspected murder weapon. Prosecutors also revealed that the suspect's roommate was given immunity in exchange for providing recorded video statements to investigators about the case. Prosecutors are trying to convince state District Judge Tony Graff that they have enough evidence to bring Tyler Robinson to trial on an aggravated murder charge after the hearing concludes, which is expected to happen Friday. Graph must determine if the case should be proceed, which experts say is likely. Robinson, 23, is charged with aggravated murder in Kirk's Sept. 10 assassination on the Utah Valley University campus, for which prosecutors are seeking the death penalty. Robinson had no prior criminal record before his arrest in Kirk's shooting death. Look, this, the, the idea that they don't have enough evidence, I think that, that is pretty, pretty absurd.

[B]

They definitely have enough evidence to proceed past this point.

[A]

Yeah, they have, they have statements from, from the, the, I'm not saying it's

[B]

true legit on any of that. I'm just saying they have enough evidence to proceed.

[A]

Well, yeah, but the point that I'm making is they have, part of the evidence is this is statements from this Twigs person.

[B]

His first of all, he shouldn't have immunity. Like I, I, I, we do this a lot to get people who, you know, like they, they wouldn't have a complete case without these people. But this seems agree.

[A]

Do you think this person should be an accessory?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Really?

[A]

I don't know. Well, I mean they would need enough evidence.

[B]

I mean they just said, they just said the other day that there was more of his DNA on the tail than there was.

[A]

Yeah, but that doesn't, that doesn't put him on the roof, you know, that only Says that they were in the. They lived in the same house.

[B]

And I'm just saying that there's. Are you just saying there, there are. I think that this guy knew exactly what was going on.

[C]

Is there a chance, is there a chance that they're just delivering enough evidence to get the grand jury to say, yeah, and then they're saving evidence for the trial where they're like, oh, and

[B]

by the way, that is happening. If anybody wants to watch somebody break this down, like, totally non political, whatever. The lawyer, you know, is covering this really well. And it's. He's doing it from a completely like neutral and just legal. By the evidence. He does a great job.

[C]

Who is it?

[B]

The lawyer, you know, Lauren, Was it Israel? YouTube.

[D]

Oh my gosh. I'm like, you know, you're the one

[A]

that brought it up.

[D]

Possible that there's a conspiracy behind this. Of course it's not impossible, but you have to have evidence. And the thing with the Candace stuff that I'm seeing online, like every right wing commentator is like, please, people, please, you have to side with reason right now. Like, this is obviously crazy. Like, Erica Kirk didn't kill Charlie.

[B]

Like, what?

[D]

I don't know what's happened with Candace. And it's like, what do you mean you don't know what's happened to Candace? Like, Candace has been insane since she started her new show. But the problem is that the initial thing she was insane about was the Macron case. And the Macron case is not politically convenient for the right to talk about because it's funny to say that Macron's wife is a man and no one is friends with Macron's wife, whereas people are friends with Erica Kirk. So no one was calling out this insanity back when. And I would recommend everyone watching this go and actually read the defamation suit against Candace because. Because it is some of the most insane content to read like it is insane how much she has been debunked, how badly her evidence, like, oh, it's her brother. Her brother literally showed up to court in person, has been seen in recent photographs with her. Like all of this stuff to debunk this nonsense. Hey, maybe Macron's wife is a man. Not only do I not care, there's just no evidence for it. There's no evidence. But like, no one cares to debunk stuff when it's convenient politically to just not talk about it. So all of this stuff everyone on the right's dealing with now, with Erica Kirk being blamed, this, that and the other, I'm Sorry, but the disinformation and from alternative media has run amok too far and everyone had too much fun with it and now this is the result. Now we have a bunch of insane wine moms that were into, you know, true crime, talking constantly about how Charlie Kirk was murdered by Erica and Andrew Colvette or whatever. Like it's just unhinged.

[C]

Granted, I don't believe these claims without evidence that she's making, but I didn't debunk the Macron stuff. I didn't speak out against it because I thought it was so ridiculous and it didn't deserve my time this.

[D]

But the problem is there's so many people that believe it. Like there's like all of the nonsense like you know, trans and kids. I reckon it's a minority of the Democrats that actually support like making a five year old transgender. But people will talk about that and right now it's like a huge swath. Not most of the people, most of

[A]

the Democrats are going to say that it's not happening. If your average Democrats, that's what I mean.

[D]

There's like a lot of like really small issues that are not affecting us at a mass level that get addressed because they're like politically fun to address. But when it's like oo, someone on my political team is spreading like massive misinformation and the left do this too. Don't get me wrong, like I think

[B]

the right's doing it in the opposite way of what you're saying.

[D]

The same way.

[B]

Well, what I'm saying is like I see a lot of, I know a lot of regular wine moms as you call them, or I call them baseball moms or whatever. Just people that are not political and they have questions about the Charlie Kirk thing, like you know, about how, how certain people behaved or how, you know, you know, the type of wound or whatever, whatever their, their things are and to, to just blow them off and to say that that's like, that the reason that they're doing it is because they're, they're into true crime or whatever and, and, and, and ignore that. Candace has like this, you know, 6 million people following her for this because they don't see anything weird about what happened with the thing is disingenuous, I think. And I don't think, I think that people. I see what you're saying about Candace and being hyperbolic and, and throwing out crazy evidence and things like that. I'm not saying that. I'm just talking about regular moms who don't Even watch Candace say something doesn't feel right about the situation and you can't blow that off. And I feel like the right wing left me just say this because I've been getting it from a lot of people I know. I feel like the right thing, the right people say to me, people on the right, well, why can't it just be the leftist did it? Why can't it just be that a leftist did it and they're the problem and they're bad and, and that now, now we got to attack each other and now we got to blame. It's a tpusa, it's a big conspiracy and they're pissed off that, you know, we're not just blaming it on the lefty guy.

[A]

Jesus Christ.

[B]

That's what I'm hearing. Right. And I, I've heard it from a bunch of people.

[D]

But the problem is if you're, if you are saying someone that is genuinely concerned. And this is where my frustration comes in. If you actually care that much that you're watching like hours and hours of this stuff, go read the actual court cases. And this is how I felt about the Macron thing. It's like, okay, if you're so invested, you're going to watch a five to six part series about this, go read the court case and you're going to feel like an effing after you do, unfortunately. And that's not your fault because a lot of people have. I felt like a, after realizing a lot of stuff, stuff I've promoted sometimes has been inaccurate or this. Every time I've been like, oh my gosh, not only have I been wrong, I've spread this to a bunch of people because I have a platform. But it's like you have to be willing to rebuild your platform of reality and deciding like one influencer is your person. 1. They're making so much money off this. Candace is making so much money off this.

[B]

That's, that's fine. But you have to, but you do have to acknowledge that there is, there are people that are, that are actually genuinely concerned or, or you know, feel a certain way about that despite her.

[A]

Right.

[D]

They have a brain to read the cases. Yeah, but here's the problem.

[A]

The people that are on the Internet that are like amplifying or like you're talking about the people that are like just the regular people that don't have a platform on their own, like they are committed to.

[B]

All the evidence isn't out yet that the prosecution has yet and we, and so that's the Thing. So when you're like, go read the court cases, it's kind of hard to do in this lead up here.

[D]

I'm not saying you have to, to even agree with the judges. I'm not saying. But that is going to give you the most accurate information. The thing with these court cases, it's like you have two sides that are desperate.

[B]

There isn't any stuff in the read right now.

[A]

Hold on. But is what I'm saying the. I constantly run into this on X because people love to go ahead and say, oh well, you know, you're just an Israel shill because you don't believe Candace. And the point or the thing that they always say is, oh, you believe the FBI. It is, it is. When you're dealing with people that are totally conspiracy brains trained, it is always the next conspiracy. So like, it's not just that it was Israel. If you believe the official narrative, then you probably got multiple shots or so the, the, it's a never ending conspiracy stuff.

[D]

It's like if we're found innocent, then we're innocent and we were right all along. But if we're found guilty, then it's the matrix attacking us. Like, no matter what happens, like you're, it's always going to come out in your favor because that's the best way, way to gamble it.

[A]

And you know, it's not that it's the best way to gamble it, it's that they're, they're committed to that narrative and there's a lot of people out there that are very, very anti Israel. So anything that would put is, you know, cast Israel in a bad light, they're like, oh, it must have been Israel that killed Charlie Kirk. Even though, even though if you look at it, it's, it's really, really, really ridiculous to think that it was Israel. And looking at the actual evidence, if you, the, the evidence they have against Tyler, like, it is very likely that at the very least it is a legitimate prosecution because all the evidence that they have does point to him. But as soon as you say the evidence they have points to Tyler, they're like, oh, you believe the FBI now? You probably, you probably think that 911 wasn't done by George Bush, you know.

[B]

No, that's how it goes. There's other things going around too. I know a lot of people that are in the business that have issues or don't like, you know, some of this stuff around the court case about like what's going on with or TPUSA people and they won't say it because they don't want to get hurt in the business for doing that too.

[A]

Having criticism. Having criticism about TPUSA is not the

[B]

same thing as I'm talking about tpusa in relation to Charlie's. Whatever.

[D]

They did a lot of weird stuff. There's no denying that.

[A]

None of that is in. None of that indicates that they were involved in the murder.

[B]

What you were saying earlier about having, like, you know, if you don't have the same opinion, then you're kicked out of the group. Right. Like, right, well, that. A lot of the Tyler Robinson stuff. There are a lot of people on the inside that say, hey, this is suspicious, or I know this, or I've seen this or I've heard this or whatever. And they're like, but I'm not gonna go out and say anything against Turning Point usa because I either work for them or we're friendly with them, or we don't want to ruin a relationship with them. I mean, that happens.

[D]

There's so much. There's so much factual stuff that you can get frustrated on and point, point out. Like, I. I went to the first TPOSA thing post Charlie Kirk, and it was insane. You had like, the selfie tent for Charlie Kirk where they were selling, like, hot tubs and massage chairs alongside it and 500 Charlie Kirk sequin jackets. And then, you know, it was just weird. The whole thing was weird. Felt very profit maxing. But it's like, then you see the story come out where it's like, oh, the gun fragment. The. The bullet fragment can't be confirmed. It's not part of the gun, and it's just the headline that comes out. And everyone starts retweeting it, seeing C C C. But no one reads the article. I agree. And if you actually read the article, it', like, well, it's because it's really difficult to identify any fragment of a bullet.

[C]

People thought it meant that they confirmed that it was not the bullet.

[D]

It wasn't.

[C]

They confirmed that they couldn't match it because it had been deformed.

[D]

People have.

[B]

I agree with that.

[D]

And that's the problem. The problem. I don't mind people asking questions about anything. I think that's good. I think you should. But it's the headline brain and the watching one influencer who's making a ton

[C]

of profit off of the way you ask the questions. Because you could be like, did everything Erica Kirk murder Charlie? You could ask that question. The answer is no, probably. Or you could be like, isn't it Weird that she didn't look at the way. Don't you think it's kind of strange that that's also a question in a group of them? And that's a dirty type of way to ask a question. So there's a way to ask questions that are genuine, good at faith.

[A]

Well, that's the thing. Any, like, the questions that you get, at least from the conspiracy brain people, it doesn't matter what the answer is, right? The answer, whatever the answer actually is, they've got some kind of reply to that. I usually, like I said, oh, you believe the fe. FBI now, you know, oh, you believe the official narrative. You're so dumb and I'm so smart.

[D]

But if the FBI reports something they like, like, if they, if the FBI reported like mass immigration is destroying America, they'd be like, yes, you see, you

[A]

see, you see people, you see people saying things like, you know, oh, the way that they, the way that they, they interact with it. It's always as if, you know, they're the brilliant ones that are plugged into the, the real story. And if you believe anything other than them, you know, you're the schmuck. You're the guy that's getting duped. And it's really, really easy to, to, you know, pick that stuff out just because of the way they interact. And I personally, I find it pretty easy to just disregard it because I see it all the time in my feed.

[C]

But still, it's sort of empowering to be skeptical because it kind of puts you on a pedestal and you're like, look, you guys got to prove it. So these people that are emotionally. Candace's arguments in skepticism, people are drawn

[A]

to how they feel, not how they feel.

[C]

Let me make this.

[A]

I get, I get what you're saying, but I have to address what you're saying about skepticism. Being skeptical is fine, but these people aren't skeptical. They're sure of their own narrative. And it's different if you're skeptical, you're going to be skeptical of everything or being skeptical of everything that's fine and well and good. And that's actually something that, that people should be, you know, generally when they're getting, when they're, they're disseminating their information. But the people that I'm referring to, they're not skeptical of their own narrative. They're very sure of their own narrative. And they say, they say, oh, you're so silly for, for, for disbelieving what I believe.

[C]

Dude, that's an interesting point, because if you Make a claim. And Lisa's like, no, no, no. And claim something opposite. And I'm like, I actually, Lisa, I don't know about that, but I believe you. Am I really skeptical?

[A]

No, you're not. If you're skeptical, if you're going to be a skeptic or if you consider yourself a skeptic, be skeptical of everything. But if you're not. But the people, the people that are sure that it's. That it was like, you know, the people that are sure that it was Erica or the people that believe that it was someone involved in TPUSA that actually did it, or the people that, that think that it was Israel or that whatever, those people are not skeptical. They just reject your narrative and they say, no, no, no, I'm right. But it's not skepticism. That's different thing.

[C]

What you were saying, Lauren, about why won't they go read the court case? Why are they so invested in this TV show? I think it alludes to what I was saying earlier, that people remember how they feel. They don't remember what you told them necessarily. It's how they felt about what. So, like, if you did a, a reading of the court case and they could listen to your voice and listen to your tone, they might get into it.

[D]

Yeah, maybe. But I also think, like, it feels so much better, like, conspiracies and having hidden knowledge and listening to people talk about, like, really inflated versions of topics. It feels better than actually reading boring information. And the problem is too, is, like, all of the topics people care about are going to be solved by the people reading the boring information and doing the boring things and going through the bureaucracy. That's where I see a lot of online political activism just being this black hole where it's like, I'm going to hit like, and subscribe and amplify. Where it's like the people that are going and working at their school board and doing the boring paperwork that are actually having the biggest change. And then we all wonder, oh, why isn't society moving in our direction? Well, because no one wants to do the boring work. And actually the, the far left people that you super hate and criticize, well, they're willing to sit for 10 years on a board that, you know, you

[A]

said was, yeah, that's a real, That's a real problem that the right has. I think that, that, honestly, I think that's a, that is a more significant problem on the right than any kind of online BS is the fact that people on the right don't want to Go and do the, the basically the activist work.

[B]

I hate door knocking more than anything in the whole planet.

[A]

The fact that you do it or have done it just goes to show that you actually have done done more than most of the people that on

[D]

the right have done it.

[B]

I'll never do that again.

[C]

So much data entry in my life that it's just, that's what makes you wealthy and famous.

[B]

And it's just door knocking is worse than dead entry.

[A]

Promise you, you don't need to do data entry anymore. AI does that. You can talk to AI.

[D]

Pretty soon the boring people win in the end.

[A]

Honestly.

[C]

Is there a way to override emotional fervor with boringness?

[A]

No, because we're human beings.

[C]

Can you make the boringness cool? You know, that's by one of my life's goals.

[D]

I think there will be like I am seeing, especially in young people, there is this push back where it's like, actually you're cooler if you don't have an Instagram. You're cooler if you're not spending all day on your phone. But it's like once you've been programmed that way, like, I grew up on the Internet. I was playing video games at 3 years old. You know, I'm programmed to be addicted to my phone. And so many young kids are being programmed that way. But if you can undo that programming and be one of the few people who can read books, who can be in person and be silent and think and not be constantly on the feedback loop of the online world, man, that's powerful. But it takes a lot of effort if you've already been programmed one way. If you're someone that's listening to shows all day, like, that's good. It's be going to be like getting off of crack, literally.

[C]

Have you guys gone through the phases where. Because I went through phases where I. I listened to no podcasts. I was just creating stuff.

[D]

I can't listen to it anymore.

[B]

I'm over it.

[C]

A switch flip that I was just 24. I would have constant podcasts on, on the side screen. Constant all day, all day, all day. I'd be working, I'd be typing, I'd be gaming. Constant.

[D]

But then you can predict what they're all saying because it's all collapsed into

[A]

the same 35 years of my life without listening to podcasts.

[C]

So without taking.

[D]

I call it an ideological lap dance. We're all going to the ideological strip club and we want our favorite influencer to tell us exactly what we want to hear. You're so right, Queen. All men are evil. You're so right, King. It's all women.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Give me that ideological laugh.

[C]

It's also nice not to be alone because it brings a sense of community.

[D]

Right?

[C]

You know, like, there's a lonely. If you're alone, if you sit alone and you don't have a girlfriend or a wife or a husband or whatever, and you. And then there's two guys hanging out and they're like, friends. Joe Rogan and Ari Shafir, you know, And I'm like, God, somebody's there talking. I can be in the room with, you know, that.

[B]

That.

[A]

Well, I mean, look, what you're talking about is. Or at least what I'm understanding is that, like, people need to be able to unplug from that stuff. And I'm not. Not that I'm like, you know, Ian's the. The hippie at the table, if I understand correctly, but like, stuff like meditation and just putting the phone down or. Or just sitting with yourself, that does wonders for you. Like, I mean, I. I got a kid, and so I spend time with my kid and stuff, but, like, if you can just put your. Your device down and actually just sit with yourself for half an hour a day, you're probably miles ahead of the. Of all the people that are constantly on their phone, you know, and not that I'm not like, I. I am. I do listen to a lot of podcasts. I listen to a lot of stuff. I've. You know, I listen to a lot of YouTube stuff. But, like, if you can just sit it. Sit the thing down and just, like, focus on something else, that's a big deal for your mental health balance.

[D]

You can't quit altogether. It's like, it's nice to be aware.

[A]

Well, and especially nowadays, like, it's not that life is. Yeah, this is. This is how. I mean, this is how people get food. A lot of times, people. People get all the. Basically all the necessities of life. They just use their phone.

[C]

Did you just make a book called it's not Real Life?

[D]

It is not, as long as you recognize it's not real life. This is why I think video games are healthier than online politics. Because you're aware that it's fake.

[C]

Well, it's still real life, but it's like a fake thing in real life.

[A]

No, it's not real life.

[B]

It's not real.

[C]

It's part of real life. All your digital stuff is still part of real life. It's just a.

[A]

Okay, digital. All right. I Thought you were talking about.

[D]

It's like a.

[C]

It's like a larp.

[D]

Everyone is larp. You've created your fan. I think this is where like a lot of young people people, the 2008 financial crisis, everyone's parents were getting divorced and we were playing just dance, you know, in our bedroom or whatever. It's like everything when we were younger and was going wrong, you went on the Internet to go make your Neopets character or your Runescape character and that was more fun. And now the grown up version of that is online politics, everything. I can never buy a home. I'm not having a successful relationship. I don't know what my future or culture is or anything, but maybe I can build something like that online. And that's where we go. It's like our comfort place. But it's not reality. You're not building anything real.

[A]

And that's, that's kind of the point that like I was making with, with Ian, not to cut you off, but like you're saying like video games are real life. They're not real life. Like you spend a lot of time trying to like make achievements or what have you and none of that stuff actually transfers into the real world.

[C]

If I tell you a story about the man who walked through the desert up over the hills, like that's it's still real life. It's just a story about a fake thing in that I'm telling you in real life. Real life, that's what a video game is.

[A]

I disagree.

[D]

It's like we're going. So like before the Internet we were having all these conversations about how material reality wasn't real life because it was actually spiritual reality and what was going on in our minds that was real. And we're like seeing. And the material world is like a separation from God and now we're like multiple degrees of separation.

[A]

Well, you're talking about like video game world. Like that sounds like Borgards, I think Beauty Guard's simulacrum. So like there were there there. He wrote a book. I think the Iraq war was not a real war, right? Like at, at one point, at some point in history, like a war had like an unpredictable outcome, right? You went. We went into World War II and no one knew who was going to win. But then you look at the Iraq War. That wasn't a real war. That didn't happen. Right. It actually happened. There were war like things going on, people died. But in a war there's a unpredictable outcome. Right. But everyone knew what was going to happen with the Iraq War. And this, this philosopher is named Borjardi. In the 90s, he wrote the book, I think it was called the Iraq War wasn't real or something like that. But the point is reality has consequences. Right? And when you engage in things that, where you know the outcome, it's not real in the same way that other things in reality are, you know, and

[D]

you, whether people like to admit it or not, you do know the outcome in political realm. You know the talking points you're going to say, you know the responses you're going to get, you know the, what every influencer is going to say. And that's why it's very comfortable. It's like people who keep rewatching TV shows. You want to rewatch reruns of the Office because you know what's going to happen and it's very comfortable. And that's why when you keep going back to the same political influencers, you know what they're going to say, you know what they're going to do. And it's very comfortable. We never. And it's in discomfort that we grow.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And no one wants to be uncomfortable. And as we talk about the safe spaces of the left and true big problem, the right have their own hug boxes now too. Everyone does.

[A]

The point about discomfort is a really big deal. Like the, the, the idea that you want and that's. We talk about like the, the fact that young people, you know, they kind of like, they live like lives that have been made, you know, snowplow parents and stuff. They just kind of push all of the hardships away from their children so that way they, they don't ever have to struggle. And you end up with a, a society of young people, people where things like opinions on the Internet that they disagree with become, quote, unquote, traumatic because they've never had to deal with discomfort, discomfort and things like that. And, and look, I mean, not that that I'm some kind of big tough guy or whatever, but it's like I try to go to the gym and I exercise. And I understand that, like, you get progress at the gym when it sucks. You know, it's like if there's a lot of people that I'm friends with that, you know, that never go to the gym or they have gone and they're like, oh, but it hurts so bad. And it's like that to point, you

[D]

know, it's so funny. I used to, I had this like crazy interpretation. I think it came from 90s movies where it always convinced you, like, the hot Chad was a bad person, you know, like Regina George or whatever. Always the bad person. And so I always was like, oh, I have to support the underdog. I have to support the nerd. I have to do this. And then it's like, actually, sometimes your physical appearance. Appearance does link up to your personal effort you're putting in. And that actually makes for a mind that is like, okay, you're locked in. You're trying to be a better person. You're doing. But Hollywood really flipped that narrative on its head in, like, the 90s and early 2000s.

[C]

Jason Biggs.

[D]

Yeah, try. Trying to be healthy is important, and it is a signal of your mental state.

[A]

It's not only like, not only that, but, like, the. The idea, like, you look at the. And I. I know that this is going to be. Be a partisan statement, and I fully admit that I'm a partisan. I don't care what anyone says. I don't care if Lauren looks down at me for it. But, like, the fact of the matter is, you look at like. Like, you look at people on the left that, like, don't want to exercise. They have their. They're out of shape or they don't try to look. Make themselves look presentable. The people that want to look good, usually that is a reflection of trying to put your best foot forward, and it is a good thing to put your best foot forward.

[D]

But there's a realm where that goes too far, which is where you see the looks maxing, praise on the right. Pure materialism.

[C]

Wearing a suit.

[A]

Absolutely. Like, what the is that all about?

[C]

Why do people wear ties? I understand. I understand presentation. I know how to look good.

[D]

I was an actor to make life beautiful.

[B]

Let me just tell you something.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes, you do.

[C]

Like, but it's so easy to trick people with beauty.

[B]

You trick yourself. So, like, they. They've done studies where people that work from home, if they work in their pajamas, they are less productive than if they get dressed like, they're actually going out, go to work.

[C]

I noticed that as an actor, when I would put on the costume, I became the character.

[D]

So.

[B]

But there is something. That's why people say, like it till you make it, like, wear the nice clothes and do the nice things, because it does make a shift in your brain. There is something about truth, order, and goodness and beauty that is real that we are definitely far away from. That's why you should wear the suit.

[A]

There was a time in my life when we, like, when the band was touring and stuff, and I was like, oh, I don't have to worry about looking good. I don't have to. I can just wear, you know, just wear. Cuz Pantera was super cool and they just look, you know, they just look like they rolled out of bed and blah, blah, blah. And it affects the way, the way it affected, not just the way that I felt, but it actually affected our performance. When I try to make sure that I'm clean shaven or at least don't have like scraggly beard and stuff, and I go on stage, I feel better about myself. I, I go on stage and I don't want to, to wear like ratty looking stuff. There, there are times where I wear stuff that is that, you know, like has, has strategic rips in it because it's a look I'm trying to get. But I don't go up there and look like I'm disheveled. I don't go up there there with like looking like I haven't showered. I haven't done that in years and years. And it does make, make me feel better about being on stage and it makes me feel better about performing. And that's the kind of thing that like, if you get up out of bed, when they're saying, when people talk about people that have depression, one of the things that they say about people with depression is get up and get dressed. If you just sit around in your pajamas all day.

[C]

Yeah. If you just sit around microorganisms seeping into your skin,

[A]

that's, that's a different topic. Because the point that I'm making is get up and get out of bed and brush your hair, brush your teeth, take a shower and put on normal clothes as if you're going to go out and do something so that way you're not laying around pajamas. This is one of the reasons why I hate people that go to the airport dressed in pajamas. You look terrible. Stop it.

[C]

But you're saying just putting your shoes

[B]

on in your house. You put your shoes on in your house. Like, like it will create you to feel like you're going somewhere and then you will start doing chores.

[C]

Yeah, that's interesting. Except there's fecal matter on the bottom of those shoes. Probably if you were outside, you could

[B]

have a pair of house shoes.

[C]

So the balance, it's the balance you want to obviously not be a scumbag that like lays around their own filth for three days, but you also don't want to like put on airs of to like trick people into thinking you're the second coming. When you're like a demon.

[D]

I think it's the intention. It's like with the looks maxers. The problem is their intention is ego, sex and status. And so when they get those things, things it doesn't fulfill because they actually want someone to love them for who they are. And they're going about it the wrong way. Right. Even Clavicular has come out and said, like, my life is a horror movie. I did this to try to be loved and have attention. But now all he has is attention for his outward image. I remember the first time I moved out of my house when I was like 1920 to Toronto. I had this feeling of something was wrong. Why is everything different? And I realized that life doesn't have a soundtrack. And I thought life had a soundtrack because every morning my parents would wake up early and they'd put on Supertramp, they'd put on the Beatles, they'd put on Frank Sinatra, whatever it was, and make pancakes. And I was like, oh my gosh, life doesn't just automatically have a soundtrack. They had to do things to create a beautiful childhood for me. They had to do things to create a beautiful environment for me. And that's putting in effort to make life beautiful for family, for love of others, for. And there's no cap on that. Love has infinite expansion. Right. Whereas egocentric behavior becomes smaller and smaller. Smaller. So you can infinitely create beauty, but if you're infinitely going into the ego, it's going to make things smaller.

[C]

You got to define beauty. I agree with what you're saying, but you don't want to overdo.

[A]

But like is doing it in the wrong way.

[C]

Like, I wouldn't consider playing music for your kid or making them healthy food beauty necessarily. It's like making it look good.

[D]

That's love.

[C]

Yeah, it's a form of love, like kindness and good kind deeds. But like making it look nice when in the background people are beating each

[A]

other up is like you're adding new things to that is like totally out of a hole. She was talking about how her home was and her home had, when she was growing up, always had music because her parents put effort into making it beautiful. And then you're just like, yeah, but there's a guy. What is that?

[C]

There were worms crawling around in the dirt. It's constant contradictions, bro. So like, I'm saying that if. If just to find beauty. Because yes, I had that too. I had warm.

[D]

Beating people up is not beauty.

[C]

I.

[D]

That's not an expansion of beauty. Beating people up is not an expansion of beauty.

[C]

I grew up with, with the same thing, a really healthy, kind, loving environment. I just thought it automatically happened. And more recently I've been realizing they, they made it happen. They were, they were aggressively creating a calm, comfortable environment. And. But people, beauty is a different. I know what you mean when you say it's a beautiful memory. I get that. But like the visage of what things look like. Beauty is a, is an eyeball sight thing.

[A]

No, not necessarily.

[D]

There is feeling.

[A]

No. Yeah, it's totally not like you, like, like beauty is not just about aesthetics, although it, it is, it is a part or you can have aesthetics that are beautiful. Like beauty is like if you, you know what, it's a beautiful thing. When someone helps an old lady across, across the street. That's a beautiful behavior you can have. You can take action in the real world that other people will say, oh, that's beautiful.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

He's just trying to say like beauty is subjective. I think that's what Ian's trying to say.

[A]

I disagree with that.

[B]

I do disagree with that.

[A]

That's not true.

[C]

People that like build up their beauty to trick people to get them to follow. But I'm talking about physical appearance.

[D]

You're more black pilled than me.

[C]

Like 2006.

[A]

Seven, bro.

[C]

I'm dealing with this.

[B]

That's not even where they were going with that. Like, they're saying that if you're, if you're like alarm saying for, if you're doing it for the wrong reasons. That'll show though. Like you'll see that. You see that in certain people. Like it will shine. That part will shine through their outward appearance.

[D]

Like when you came in the room and your hair was all done, I was like, that's very lovely. It's nice to look at.

[B]

Thank you.

[D]

Like, it's not, by the way, I'm not thinking.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Yeah, the left.

[D]

But like it's nice to look at right spirals. I like it's nice to look at. It doesn't all have to be like,

[C]

it helps the brain. Like the patterns and shape recognition can literally help your neurons grow.

[B]

No, this is what, what she was saying earlier, what we were there about get like, you know, putting the nice clothes on and whatever. It's about taking care of yourself. You got to take care of yourself and you have to, you know, have some self esteem, right? Like care about your looks and your appearance and not, not in an egotistical way because like I said, that will show that you'll see the BBLs and the things like. That's not the same thing as just maintaining yourself. So to make your life easier.

[A]

Let me, Let me interject here, Ian.

[D]

You, you.

[A]

You were talking about like suit and tie and stuff like that. You've seen me come into the show hundreds of times, right? My hats are clean. My shirts are usually. They're not. Like I'm not wearing a suit and tie, but they usually look. They're clean. Usually I don't have a mess on them. They're. They're kind, they're, they're, they're not all wrinkled and stuff. My jeans are, are fairly nice. And I, I really.

[B]

Because I don't ever think you look that put together.

[A]

But the point that I'm making is I don't look like I just rolled out of bed. You know what I mean? I, I don't leave the house like that.

[C]

Lisa's a rock star.

[A]

Lisa's. Lisa's here trying. Lisa is just trying to derail everything because psychological. Because I have nothing to say right now.

[B]

And it's like something you'd wear to the.

[C]

You can wear something tighter, man.

[A]

Show off your muscles, bro.

[B]

Something you could definitely wear to bed.

[A]

I don't wear tight shirts. And you know. Exactly.

[C]

Cuz you do on stage and you get too much.

[A]

No, that, no, never mind.

[C]

No, no, tell me more. You don't want to show off the muscles.

[A]

I've said a hundred times why I don't wear tight shirts.

[C]

I'm not sure.

[D]

I haven't been here. You got to talk.

[A]

Because I have a gun and I don't want.

[C]

I don't want.

[A]

I don't want to. You know, I, I wear loose shirts so that way I don't print.

[C]

God.

[A]

And you know, I carry.

[C]

I wear holes in my jeans because,

[A]

because, because there's two tails and you can't clear any. Anyways, I, I specifically pick my wardrobe for a reason.

[B]

At least it's not stained and tattered

[C]

on pajamas on, on set because it's cooler. It, it like the wind blows. It's thinner material.

[A]

You are also like your entire is like a quirky. You always do quirky things. What? You were about to say something that's. I'm. I'm.

[C]

What do they call that?

[A]

That's a. I'm. Very well, you know, you, you wear a purple velvet jacket with like a Hawaiian T shirt.

[B]

To be fair to Ian, his clothing choice may be eccentric, but it never looks like pajamas.

[C]

I used to wear pajamas.

[B]

I mean, maybe that shirt you're wearing today.

[C]

Does, but like, there was a time

[A]

where he would literally roll out of in bed and then go to the show.

[C]

You know what happened? I used to come on the show with pajamas and I'd be like, who cares what I wear? It doesn't matter to me what clothes I wear. So when they asked me to wear normal pants, I was like, oh, who cares what I wear? Of course I'll just wear the normal pants. I like, used my own argument against myself to change. Okay, like, if I really don't care what I'm wearing, then just wear what they're asking me to wear. I just don't want to wear a tie.

[A]

We were talking about beauty and now we've turned it to people.

[C]

People manipulating people with their visage. You know, that's what it's all about.

[A]

The point is, like, beauty is not just in aesthetics. You can behave in a beautiful manner. Like that's, that's actually like something that's real and it gives you a connection with the real world because you're not, you're not trying to put on airs or whatever. It's just when you dress nicely and try to look like you're put together, you try, you will try to put your best foot forward. That doesn't mean you have to wear like a suit and tie. Tie. But you want to wear stuff that doesn't look like, you know, you just roll that at bed.

[C]

To what end, I guess is the question.

[B]

We have another news story.

[C]

I'm sure we do. This is like an ethical debate about how, how righteous is.

[A]

We can. All right, so we can talk about. Jesus, Lisa. I, you know, I've been saying how, how great it's going to be to have you on the, on the pain.

[B]

And I completely, you know what it is?

[A]

Take it back.

[D]

You're just difficult, you know, I'm not

[B]

trying to be difficult. I'm just like, maybe I'm just a little moody this week.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Frustrated.

[A]

From Fox News, Trump Admin launches its first major H1B visa fraud investigation.

[B]

Love this.

[A]

The Trump administration is escalating its crackdown on immigration related fraud, launching its first major investment into alleged investigation into alleged H1B and perm visa abuse, labor trafficking and the displ displacement of American workers. Labor Department Inspector General Anthony Desposito told Fox Business on Wednesday. Desposito announced, announced that the probe exclusively on Mornings with Maria, calling it the latest step in the administration's expanding anti fraud campaign ahead of Vice President J.D. vance's nationwide fraud initiative event in Milwaukee. Set for later in the day. This is another example where fraud is fueling violent crime. He said much of the visa and human trafficking that we see when it comes to this, foreign labor, is tied to cartels. It's tied to transnational gangs. And this is the work that we should be doing not only to make America safe again, but to make America more affordable. Affordable again. I think that's an actual. Like, that's a step in the right direction. But I don't think that the. The people that are most critical of the H1B visa program are. Are connecting it to crime. I think they're connecting it to the fact that people can't find a job. They're connecting it to big companies that will fire American workers so that way they can bring foreign workers in cheaper on H1B visas. And the part of the reason why they do that with H1B visas, because the visa itself is tied to employment. So you get a person from another country into the the US that has an H1B visa, and the company has leverage over them, they can say, look, if you don't want to work Saturday, maybe we'll fire you. And, you know, maybe you'll have to go back to the home, to your home country, because your visa is tied to your employment. And so it makes people afraid to turn, turn down demands by their employer. So, I mean, Lisa, do you think that we should look at H1B visas in totality and just get rid of all of them like I do, or do you think that this is.

[B]

I would get rid of them all? I mean, they also have these, like, big far, like, you know, H1B visa farm things where, like, you know, somebody in, like I say, India will get a bunch of. Apply for a bunch of visas and then farm them out for contractor work here, and they will be beholden to them. And there's a lot of fraud and abuse in those two. And it doesn't help Americans, it doesn't help wages. It's just not good all around.

[C]

What's your take on visa? The visa, H1B visa. She's Canadian.

[A]

She doesn't have.

[D]

I don't care.

[A]

Really? She doesn't care.

[D]

I don't care.

[A]

See, I knew. Just like she said, I knew what you were saying.

[D]

Now I'm not. I'm not even exciting anymore. I'm just, you know, the conversation tree. You've updated the information.

[C]

I love the meta. Conversation about. About the conversation.

[B]

I love it.

[D]

I hope you guys are keeping up out there. Understand, breaking structure.

[A]

Don't worry, they're not.

[D]

Don't worry. I mean, look, such lack of faith in your audience.

[A]

Not a few of them.

[D]

There's a few of them that get it. I believe in you. You got this.

[B]

You don't even know what I really think about audiences in general.

[A]

Well, I mean, look, it's not good for me.

[D]

I'm the only one telling the truth to you. Lock in. Let's go.

[B]

For people like the business. What I, what I think about audiences, I. Nobody should ever say individuals are awesome,

[C]

but the masses of people can become.

[B]

No, I think most individuals are. I think that, I think that if you, if you. I just think that you're kind of pathetic if you're sitting there hating on people.

[D]

And like, what do you think things

[B]

like, oh, these care so much about me in a chat like to comment. Sorry for all our super chatters and all that, but the comment on. To comment on somebody's YouTube channel to me is wild.

[D]

We forget that there are crackheads on the Internet. Like, we forget that half the people yelling at us like we would cross the street and be like, oh, that person.

[B]

A nasty private DM from somebody you, you don't know saying like some horrific thing like what a loser you have to be to message somebody care enough to mess. Take time out of your day to message somebody you don't know about it is beyond Loserville.

[D]

My favorite thing.

[B]

Most people in the audiences of all audiences are losers.

[D]

I'll respond sometimes like I get these messages like you're a dumb whore or whatever. And I'll be like, hey, why'd you say that? And they'll be like, I'm so sorry. I never thought you would respond to me. Like, I actually, you're great. I don't know why I said that. Like, I literally just wanted attention. Like said I had people respond to me this.

[B]

What are you doing though that like that that's even a thing.

[C]

It's just the minority of people that will like most of the people that get really negative comments, it's a 1 less than 1% of the audience. You know, most of the audiences, I

[B]

kind of find that funny. I get them all the time. People can't wait for me to shut up today. Right? Like I don't care. But my, my point is to even like write that like there's something wrong with you for sure.

[C]

It's a projection of emotional distress.

[B]

It's really weird. And, and we don't care that you

[D]

say those things because we think you're ex girlfriend. You're their mom, you're their dad. It's like you're just a. You're literally just a standin business.

[B]

But like, I think it's weird.

[A]

I'm just curious as to why you were like, oh, we should start talking about the next topic when you're just like, as soon as we start talking. As soon as we start talking about the topic, you're just derail it.

[D]

You know, I'm a big fan of Lisa's derailing. I think all the derailing has been really important. I think we've gotten through a lot here together.

[A]

I would prefer brown nosing. You're just leave the rail kissing ass.

[C]

We look, Lauren doesn't care about I fight.

[D]

Me and Lisa have fought this whole time. I'm allowed to say more than once. We fought more than you. And you guys have just been dick riding each other this whole show.

[C]

Just a magnificent specimen. I can't.

[A]

I'm.

[D]

At least he admits you can.

[A]

You can. Everybody that watches this show knows that. That I give in an endless amount of.

[B]

I don't like women in general. Let's just put this out there, right? But I have a lot of respect for Lauren because whenever I have said something to her or confronted her or said, hey, I don't like this. She actually like. Instead of talking behind my back, she will address it with me. There are very few people who do that. Very few. So I will always like Lauren.

[D]

I feel the same about you. I truly feel the same about you.

[B]

I had gone up to her. We were outside of a. Almost a bowling alley or something that.

[D]

Was we partying? Were we partying? You said we didn't party.

[B]

I was drinking, but I was like, I wasn't doing drugs, but anyway. But I came up to you and I was like, yo, I got a problem with this. And you addressed it with me head on. We don't talk about each other behind each other's backs. I appreciate that from Lauren and I'm not afraid to tell her how I feel. Even if we disagree, I will say that's not always like that.

[A]

Very, very rarely.

[C]

What's that? You have very direct comm. I think all four of us have very direct communication styles and are also very disagreeable personality wise. If there's a problem, it's way easier to address it with that kind of personality trait. For me it is.

[B]

I think it's. I think it's healthier to get it out on the table and say what you have to say and then, you know, if there's any Other residual stuff, then let it just hold it in. And I think holding it in is

[C]

crush it into a diamond.

[B]

Talking bad about people behind their backs.

[C]

No, that's why I felt bad talking about Candace. I don't even want to talk. I understand. We're in the realm of commentary about what's happening in the world and there are people involved.

[D]

I would sit down and have a face. That's the thing though. I like, I showed up here and I'm like, I'm not going to do a video about Tim disagreeing with me. I'm not going to do a video about Lisa disagreeing with me. I'm like, I will show up. You guys invited me and I will talk to you face to face, let you have a response. Tim, whatever you want.

[B]

I did text him. He wants, he wants you to come out and yeah, face to face.

[D]

Conversation with him. 100 and same with Candace. Like if Candace ever wanted to talk, I don't think I'm big enough for her to care but I'd talk to her. So as long as I think there's that aspect of like I talk to you instead of I'm going to talk and then I'm going to run. When you want to actually have a conversation with me, cool.

[C]

It's tough. Cuz if you've talked in the past then you kind of got to own it when you see him face to face.

[D]

Like you're a coward if you don't. If you don't. I've written about having frustrations with the way this show is constructed. I've written about having frustrations about that episode. I'm not going to come on here and pretend I haven't done that.

[B]

I didn't even know you did that.

[D]

But that's okay. Like I don't care. It's just like you, like you said, you have to be able to say it to their face when you're there. That's what authenticity and honesty want to actually, actually heal.

[C]

If you want to harm, you can scream about it into the void when they're not around and let other people pay you for it. But like, if you really want to solve the problem direct based, you know,

[A]

you know what I might say about that? Ian, smash the like button. Share the show with all your friends. Head on over to timcast.com become a member so you can join our discord and head on over to rumble.com so you can watch the after show where Lisa and Lauren are actually going to fist fight because, oh, I don't know

[D]

about that, you guys got the pit.

[C]

All right, so.

[A]

But right now we're going to go to your rumble rants and your super chats. Let's see. Marusha Dark says I'm as anti war as Dave Smith, but the more Iran jerks us around, the more I'm okay with a coalition of boots on the ground to wipe out the irgc. Not sure why Trump doesn't call for Israel, gcc, Kurds, Persians to do this. Because Iran is literally a mountain stream stronghold. There will be no boots on the ground. I talked about this last night. Iran is a very mountainous territory. It is not like Iraq. There will be no ground invasion. It is not going to happen. Look, if you don't like Iran the way they're behaving, that's fine. If you think that the strikes, the airstrikes are okay, that's fine too. But the idea that the US Is going to actually have a serious military buildup and go into Iran, that is not going to happen. Also, you can, like, you can save this clip. There will not be a U.S. invasion of, of Iran. Not happening.

[C]

You're also looking at media from the US from the liberal economic order. So like I read this media about Iran attacked three tankers going through the Strait of Hormuz two days ago. Therefore the US Is totally in the right to bomb the shit out of that country. And I'm like, okay, that's all liberal media. Like liberal economic. That's Western media. I just quit and I'm Team America all the way. I don't want to be like, I don't want to question our government to the point that we lose a lot war because I would rather have American hegemony than, than Israeli hegemony or Chinese heny. But it also, you got to understand that this media is being manipulated and coming through funnels. So, like, just be careful about jumping on the blowup Iran bandwagon based on the media you read.

[A]

Let's see. Quantum Strange says keep the booze away from Lauren. And then he sends smiley faces.

[D]

The booze makes me better. Okay? I'm a better driver.

[B]

They always say that I'm drunk. Every show the chat says that I'm drunk. And I'm like, I don't.

[D]

I get drunk at about, literally. Don't drunk.

[B]

Don't worry.

[D]

I'm just, I got a nice little buzz going.

[A]

Kevin D. Says, God bless Phil for dealing with this in person. At least I can mute.

[B]

Brutal's not happy with me and Lauren talking.

[A]

There's a lot of critic There's a lot of criticism.

[B]

Feel brave.

[D]

Let's go, go, go for the harshest one.

[A]

The harshest one. Let me give me a second here. I'm sure the harshest of too many.

[C]

Is it about the tone that they were doing?

[A]

Lauren, I'm changing my mind on Tate because of you, but I just want to know, did I hook up with Destiny and say he has a beautiful mind? I think that he meant did you listen?

[D]

Okay, I was.

[B]

Somebody just said in there, they were like, oh, Lisa's so tough, but she won't ask Lauren about Destiny. I'm like, cuz I don't give a.

[D]

I've written about it in a book. Okay, you know, you know what? Everyone's just mad at me for being a woman in a male dominated field. All these guys in the right wing sphere will go after the bpd, blue haired, like art hoe from college. And then I do it and I'm in trouble.

[B]

That's kind of funny.

[D]

I'm literally acting like all the right wing men I've watched around me.

[A]

Yellow Flash production says Destiny's angel isn't trustworthy. Anyone who would touch that thing is scum like him. Did enjoy the W on Jeremy though.

[C]

What's the W on Jeremy?

[D]

Oh, I wrote a piece about the quartering in my sub stack. Go check it out. Lauren Southern. You did at Lauren underscore Southern on Twitter. I posted the video to Tommy as well.

[C]

Are you in like, you're in like a radical openness phase?

[D]

I'm in a radical openness phase. I mean, it's not. It's probably not good for my reputation, but I think it's good for people in general and humanity in general. It's good for my health. It's really good for my health.

[A]

Kmax McDonald said. Who would you most want to debate on the right Lauren that you have not gotten to? Would it be Myon Gaines or the whatever podcast guy?

[D]

Brian, the whatever podcast guy has invited me on, but I'm still a little skeptical of whether that's good or bad to do. I've asked to debate Myron gains. I've just set up finally a debate with Rachel Wilson. So that's happening. But yeah, I'll debate Myron. If he's up for it, we'll put him on.

[B]

We'll put you guys on the. We'll do a culture war with you, with Myon.

[D]

There we go.

[C]

Whatever sounds like it would be awesome for you. Would you be the one?

[B]

I disagree with 90% of what Myron says.

[A]

There we go.

[D]

But no, but it's fine.

[A]

I don't su. Super chat often, but when Lisa brought up the Lisa Lauren thing, I thought she'd finally address the elephant in the room. They're so easy to mix up. Does Tim pay Lisa in liquor as well?

[B]

I don't drink like that. Everybody knows that. Like, what is happening about.

[A]

Everyone does not know that. Everyone disbelieves you.

[B]

Because I'm, like, so animated or because I have, like, a little lisp, too. They always, like, think I'm drunk and they always confuse me. That the girl that did get drunk on the show, what was that one girl?

[C]

Lauren Southern?

[B]

No, there was.

[D]

There was a different.

[B]

I don't want to say if it's wrong. Amanda. Me. No, I don't remember.

[C]

Got hammered. Yeah, she got hammered.

[B]

They always confused me with her. That's one. But I don't.

[D]

She's cute.

[C]

I like her.

[B]

I'm just thinking about one drink. Like, we'll say this. I have one drink drink last night with dinner. And I was so hurting this afternoon today that I said, didn't I? Didn't I come in here and I was like, you were with me.

[C]

Oh, yeah, you're fainted.

[B]

I had one drink and I was like, I can't do this. It doesn't affect me. I don't.

[C]

You're thin. You have no tolerance.

[B]

It's my heart thing, too. But, like, I can't drink anymore.

[A]

I don't drink her old and says, lisa, what do the people in the business and in the know say about aliens?

[B]

It's funny that you say that. A lot of people in, like, congress say that they are real, but I don't really think they are. But that's. That's okay.

[A]

Oh, here we go. Here's a good one for. For Lauren. Aeron 504 says, hey, Lauren, you talked about owning up to what you've said in the past. Well, I'm sorry, Lauren, for how I've treated you in the past. I only wish I could change the past. Hope you're doing well. I don't know who that person. I appreciate ar con 504. Yeah, you know. All right, let's see. I like that.

[B]

Now you're getting into reading all the bad wife ants.

[A]

One pack says, if only these influencers would stop having sex with each other, then complain later. Like anyone cares about their sex lives.

[B]

You guys act like. I will say this, though. Like, people act like that. Like, that doesn't happen in other fields. Like, look at nurses and cops. I mean, like, you know, it's human nature. People are around each other.

[A]

I have had sex with zero people in this political.

[B]

I'm not sleeping around.

[D]

It's like.

[B]

But I'm just saying you're just kind of ignoring, like, the human element of it. No, I don't think it's good to do any of all that. But, like, it happens. You know what I mean? Like, what are you going to do?

[D]

Literally, who cares about the sex stuff? Like, who cares? You're actually mentally ill if you care about who's having sex with who. But the criminal stuff, like, that matters, like committing crimes and trafficking underage children. That matters.

[C]

The sex, the sex of. Is like, dude, you're in an industry with a bunch of hot people that are, like, famous and rich. So, like, it's tempting.

[B]

And then, like, who's famous and rich?

[C]

All of us. We're always relatively famous.

[B]

Wait a minute.

[C]

Was Cor rich? I guess, but. But it's about, like, a testament of, like, do you have self control? Like, can you control yourself in this industry? I tell anybody that, like, joins the industry, I'm like, bro, you're going to get all the drugs, all the sex and all the money you need, so you got to control your body. That animal is wild.

[B]

Different industry. Like, honestly.

[A]

D C Pack DC 29 says this episode of Foxy Boxing is brought to you by the Tim cast Discord.

[D]

This is funny.

[A]

I'm having a good time, though, at least.

[C]

Oh, here's.

[A]

Here's one that's actually not about YouTube. Platner phallic says Platner shouldn't be able to choose his replacement. The Democrat voters choose chose him. So if he drops out, Collins should win by default. The general is for the people that were elected in the primaries. I mean, look, I am, like I've said a bunch of times, I'm an open partisan. I would like to see anything happen that would prevent Democrats from getting into positions of authority, because I think that they're a terrible, terrible bane on. On the American people. But I don't think that that's actually gonna happen in the way that Democratic.

[C]

First of all, the Democratic Party is a private company, and so is the Republican Party. They're private companies. They have their own rules about how to elect their candidate, which is very strange. You think for a national election that you have a private company deciding who your candidate is gonna be, but what they have these super delegates, the Democrats, there's 700 of them. I don't know if this works at the state level. This is the federal system and those seven. So basically you vote as a Democrat and then you get these electors, these 4,000 electors go and they're supposed to vote for who you vote voted for. But then there's 700 of these electors that are just like Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, they're pre appointed. They get to say before the other 4000 people. So no, it's not about the masses. It's not about the popular vote. It's about who the delegates decide they want as their candidate. And it's the same in the Republican party except instead of 4,000 people there's 170 of them that get to decide if someone drops out mid campaign, they just get to install somebody. That's the rules on the books right now as far as I know nationally and again, I don't know about the state but if you don't like it, change it.

[A]

Let's see. Hanson Pack said Candace figured out she figured she would speedrun being Alex Jones. She is winning. I mean I guess so. Hey look. Smash the like button. Share the show with all your friends. Like I said, head on over to timcast.com and join the Discord. Head on over to rumble.com so you can join us us in the after show which is starting in just a moment. Lauren, where can people find you?

[D]

Yeah, you can find me on X at underscore Lauren. Wait, what is my username at Lauren Underscore Southern. That's it. And then on Instagram at Lauren Cherie with two eyes and subsack Lauren Southern and check out my book this is not real life on Amazon. Thanks for watching.

[C]

Lisa, do you want to talk it out or should I?

[B]

You can.

[A]

Well it's going to be Carter.

[C]

It's probably Carter Banks will talk last.

[A]

Yeah Lisa.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't tweet at Lisa Elizabeth and I'm here. And that's it. Have a good night.

[C]

Keeping it casual. We're in a high stress, high paced environment business. It's also like 111 degree outside. So riled up. But like I'm all about honesty, radical transparency and openness. I want to bring it to the political kindness all the way. Appreciate the people around you and the things around you and you will inherently treat them well as a result. I love you. Thank you for coming. I'm Ian Crossland. Follow me at iancrossland all across the Internet and go to Graphene Movie to check out this new documentary that we're building. It's going to be cool. Lisa Reynolds.

[A]

She already did it.

[C]

Carter Banks here. Wow, that was a wild conversation. I can't wait to get into the rest of it in the after show.

[B]

Oh, God.

[C]

You can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere. Ax mainly at Carter Banks Official on Instagram, follow the record label at Trash house Records on YouTube.

[A]

And yeah, let's get into it. I am Phil that Remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify and Dieser. Don't forget the left lane is for crime. And we will see you all in the after show starting right now.