SCOTUS COMPROMISED By Leftist Death Threats Data Proves w/ Craig Skistimas

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Episode: SCOTUS COMPROMISED By Leftist Death Threats Data Proves w/ Craig Skistimas
Date: July 15, 2026
Host: Tim Pool
Main Guests: Craig Skistimas (Side Scrollers), Brett Dasovic, Philip Labonte (All That Remains), Carter Banks

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles the escalation of threats against U.S. Supreme Court justices, with a focus on Amy Coney Barrett's recent testimony regarding the impact of death threats on her judicial decision-making. The panel links shifting court rulings, particularly post-Dobbs, to intimidation tactics and expands the conversation to broader issues: election integrity, media consolidation, the cultural impact of AI and technology, and the evolving landscape of the music and entertainment industries.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Supreme Court Security and Intimidation

• Amy Coney Barrett Testifies: Barrett shared an emotional account with Congress about increased threats to her and her family, including details about swattings and having to explain a bulletproof vest to her child ([08:21] ACB).
• Shift in Judicial Decisions: Panelists note a measurable shift in Barrett's voting record post-Dobbs (from 81% conservative alignment to 50% by 2024) and attribute it to fear and intimidation after events like the Dobbs leak and the Kavanaugh assassination attempt ([05:54] Tim Pool).
  • Quote: “If your 12 year old son did not know what a bulletproof vest was, then you must keep him locked in a basement or under a rock…” – Tim Pool ([09:12])
  • Quote: “…if you think the threat is too great and you are issuing rulings that are tepid, weak, and bad for this country…you need to resign right now for the safety and sake of your children.” – Tim Pool ([10:32])
• Hypocrisy and Security: Discussion of Barrett requesting more security for justices while "regular people" face decreased law enforcement resources ([15:43] Craig Skistimas).
• Should She Resign? Multiple panelists, including Tim and Brett, argue that if intimidation prevents her from ruling as she believes fit, resignation is necessary for both her safety and institutional integrity ([14:41], [17:03]).

2. Election Integrity and Trump’s Pending Announcement

• Election Fraud Rumors: Speculation about Trump preparing to declassify intelligence reports showing foreign interference in the 2020 election and possibly targeting sitting Democrat senators ([06:59], [23:35] Tim Pool).
  • Quote: “If Trump is going to claim at all that our elections have been illegitimate, what’s he going to do about it? Is he going to suspend the midterms?” – Tim Pool ([23:35])
• Lack of Accountability: Frustration that, despite repeated claims of corruption and prosecution against Trump associates (Stone, Bannon, Navarro), no Democratic figures are held accountable ([27:47] Tim Pool).
  • Quote: “We’re asking for one, one time, one time, one of these people is held accountable. And it just never happens.” – Tim Pool ([27:47])
• Riots & Funding Dried Up: Speculation that street protests have waned since the shutdown of USAID organizing/funding infrastructure ([19:03] Brett/Tim, [20:02]).

3. Media Landscape & Influence

• Paramount and CNN: The significance (or obsolescence) of legacy media brands like CNN is debated, with skepticism about whether old media acquisitions have cultural power anymore ([31:11] Tim Pool).
  • Quote: “Now CNN May as well just be like, you know, Bargain Bin Gatorade called, like, Goober Aid at Walmart.” – Tim Pool ([31:11])
• Impact of Social Media: Most social conflict is stoked online by a minority of hyper-partisans, not by the average American ([33:41] Tim Pool, [34:39] Craig Skistimas).
• Parasocial Relationships: Rising importance of personal connection and authenticity in media, music, and politics ([80:30] Philip/Brett).

4. AI: Societal Disruption & the Future

• Surveillance and Civil Liberties: Discussion on the proliferation of flock cameras and AI-driven law enforcement; concerns about wrongful arrests and impersonal policing ([53:52] - [55:54]).
• AI & Labor: Debate over left-wing opposition to AI (fear of displacing workers), contrasted with the view that true socialist abundance requires technological innovation ([56:05] Philip Labonte).
• AI and Art/Music: Will AI-generated music, art, and virtual influencers replace or complement human creators? Strong generational divide noted. Examples given of AI concerts and virtual pop stars like Hatsune Miku, and speculations on the future for platforms like OnlyFans ([74:42] - [118:32]).
  • Quote: “Music is over and books are over...how can you compete with someone who can make 50 songs in 10 minutes?” – Tim Pool ([69:42])
• Neuralink, VR, and Escapism: Hypothetical scenario where non-invasive neural headbands allow total virtual immersion, leading to societal split between digital escapists and “legacy humans” ([61:26] - [65:08]).

5. Cultural Fragmentation & Escapism

• Decline of Traditional Events: Live concerts, movies, and collective experiences are seen as endangered by AI and digital-first consumption, especially for Gen Alpha ([76:01] Tim Pool, [78:08] Craig Skistimas).
• Escapism as Solace: “People are going to choose to go into pods and then get the roach. Roach mush pumped into their stomachs, because they’d rather be wizards than live in this reality.” – Tim Pool ([63:04])

6. Pop Culture: Lighthearted Debate

• Comic Book Power Scaling: Humorous digression about superhero battles (Superman vs. Goku, the redundancy of superhero tropes, representation in comics/media) – highlights the blend of cultural commentary and pop culture on the show ([94:14] - [98:48]).
• AI and Identity: VR and AI will render traditional identity (even gender) increasingly ambiguous (jokes about 400lb men as anime waifus; the end of OnlyFans as AI replaces real models) ([117:15] - [118:14]).

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• On Supreme Court Intimidation:

  • “She tells a story where she had to explain to her 12 year old son what a bulletproof vest was… So it must be very, very terrifying when people are trying to murder you and your colleagues.” – Tim Pool ([00:00])
  • “If you think the threat is too great and you are issuing rulings that are tepid, weak, and bad for this country…you need to resign right now for the safety and sake of your children.” – Tim Pool ([10:32])
  • “She probably wants more security for her family and stuff, but she still knows that if she were to vote in a way that inflamed the left, then they would still make a target of her.” – Philip Labonte ([15:58])

• On Politics & Media:

  • “If Trump is going to claim at all that our elections have been illegitimate, what’s he going to do about it? Is he going to suspend the midterms?” – Tim Pool ([23:35])
  • “We’re asking for one, one time, one time, one of these people is held accountable. And it just never happens.” – Tim Pool ([27:47])
  • “Now CNN may as well just be like… Goober Aid at Walmart. It’s like, do you want to buy? Like, no one cares.” – Tim Pool ([31:11])

• On AI & Society:

  • “Music is over and books are over...how can you compete with someone who can make 50 songs in 10 minutes?” – Tim Pool ([69:42])
  • “People are going to choose to go into pods and then get the roach mush pumped into their stomachs because they’d rather be wizards than live in this reality.” – Tim Pool ([63:04])
  • “The amount of Indian dudes who have made a killing on making AI versions of OnlyFans is insane.” – Craig Skistimas ([118:25])

• On Social Dynamics:

  • “Most of the conflict…has always been a small group of people that foment the most. Most of the conflict.” – Tim Pool ([33:41])
  • “There's only one Olivia Rodrigo, and she only has so much time in the day, right? In the future, you will see your Vocaloid, whatever AI personality that is singing the song, be scalable...With AI, it's infinite.” – Craig Skistimas ([82:19])

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Segment Timestamps

• [00:00–05:00]: SCOTUS security, swatting, personal anecdotes on threats
• [05:22–14:41]: Deep dive: Barrett’s shifting record, emotional testimony, panel reaction
• [14:49–22:33]: Should Barrett resign? Nature of intimidation, the “riot drought,” federal judge background
• [23:35–29:02]: Trump’s upcoming announcement, election interference skepticism, media coverage
• [31:11–34:39]: Media consolidation, CNN's declining cultural power, normalcy bias in real life vs. online
• [53:28–58:14]: AI surveillance, flock cameras, wrongful arrests, ideological stances on technology
• [61:26–66:16]: Neuralink, VR, the allure/dangers of immersive technology
• [69:42–80:30]: AI’s disruption in music/art, future of entertainment, Hatsune Miku, parasocial relationships
• [94:14–100:33]: Superhero/cultural debates (Superman, Goku, comics tropes, representation)
• [117:15–118:32]: The coming age of AI-fueled anonymity for online personas and sex work

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Memorable Moments

• Barrett’s Emotional Testimony: The panel’s skepticism and empathy blend with cultural commentary about generational innocence, cultural sheltering, and the realities of high-profile roles.
• AI as a Generational Fault Line: The panel repeatedly grapples with the future, recognizing younger generations' inevitable embrace of AI, virtual reality, and digital escapism.
• Comic Book Satire & Internet Logic: The lighthearted, meta-discussion about how to "win" online debates by intentionally being wrong, and how audiences engage with media controversies.

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• The perceived compromise of SCOTUS ethics and independence isn’t abstract debate; panelists see it as direct consequence of real, personal threat.
• America’s political stalemate and accountability gap are reinforced by apparent intimidation, shifting norms, and declining trust in institutions.
• AI and digital realities are not future problems—they are present transformations disrupting everything from policing and elections to art and personal identity.
• The greatest cultural conflict may soon not be left vs. right, but “legacy” (human-driven) reality vs. total digital immersion and algorithmic experience.

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Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Several Supreme Court justices testified before Congress today about the need for more security. They want to add cybersecurity. They've already got something like eight or nine security officers. And Amy Coney Barrett went on to explain her son opening the door to a wall of police after she had been swatted. And the interesting thing here, it wasn't just Coney Barrett, is Kagan as well talking about the death threats they are receiving for the rulings that they are creating or that they're issuing. And the funny thing is somebody did a breakdown of Amy Coney Barrett's opinions before Dobbs and after. And you can see that after Dobbs she goes full moderate. She was a conservative. This decision happens and then she pulls far to the left. Why after Dobbs there was a. Well before Dobbs there was a leak, death threats, fences were put up and we talked about this last week, the week before that. I would argue that our opinions are paradoxical. She's arguing against herself in some circumstances and it seems like she is terrified to issue the rulings that need to be issued because of these death threats. And I'm going to be honest, I'm not trying to rag on this on the Supreme Court justice here. She said her child opened the front door of her house and saw a wall of cops in a swatting. She must have been terrified. She tells a story where she had to explain to her 12 year old son what a bulletproof vest was because apparently he's been so sheltered. He's never played Fortnite or Call of Duty or any other video game like GTA and didn't know what a bulletproof vest was. Now, I don't believe her, but I will say this. If it is true that her kid didn't know what a bulletproof vest was, she has those kids very sheltered. So it must be very, very terrifying when people are trying to murder you and your colleagues. I can only, I can only suspect then, as we've already talked about on this show, that when her opinions start shifting and contradicting themselves, she's doing it because she's terrified of the left will kill her. Now the funny thing is, guys, it's riot season. Ain't no riots where they at. You could say that after USAID was shut down, the riots just stopped, which is kind of true and weird. But many are arguing it's because the left has found victories in other ways, notably with these death threats and with the attacks on ICE facilities. They are now, it is being reported by Daily Wire, ICE has been instructed they can no longer pull vehicles over, which is the principal method by which they are deporting these criminal illegal migrants. And of course, the death threats against a sitting Supreme Court justice. Her opinions have markedly shifted to the left following the assassination attempt on Brett Kavanaugh. Some would argue the left might actually be winning, but we'll see. Trump's got a big announcement coming up. On Thursday, he was asked about it. Nobody knows exactly what it is. The rumors are it's going to be an election fraud. And he said it's big news, possibly the biggest news, because if you don't have free and fair elections, you don't have a country. And so that's what he said when asked in the Oval Office. Some believe, I believe the reporting is he's going to say that two Democrat senators are illegitimately elected. The question that is, if that's the case, what does he plan to do about it, if anything at all? We shall see. Before we get started, my friends, got a great sponsor for you. It IS Tax Network USA. Head over to TN, USA.com/tim, do you owe back taxes or have unfiled tax returns? Have you filed every year but you still keep owing? Did you retire and suddenly get out the tax bill you didn't expect? However your tax issue started, the outcome is the same. Your balance is not going down. Penalties are growing, interest compounds, and many of you are about to owe again for this upcoming tax year. With no plan in place, stop what you are doing and call Tax Network usa. The IRS is not waiting. They're enforcing collections through wage garnishments, bank levies and property seizures. And they can even file for you without your consent. This is where Tax Network USA comes in. With over 15 years in a business, there hasn't been a tax case they haven't seen or resolved. They specialize in tax controversies and help taxpayers nationwide get back on track by resolving back taxes and unfound turns once and for all. Whether you owe $10,000 or $10 million, their team has resolved over $1 billion in tax debt. They can do the same for you. But you gotta call.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

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[Craig Schistemas]

Hey, how's it going? That's me. I run a podcast called Side Scrollers and we are live Monday through Friday at 11am Central Time, talking games, entertainment and life for the normal man.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Well, good to have you. Thanks for joining us. Good the boys hanging out.

[Brett Dasovic]

Guys, what's going on? It's been a while. It's Brett. Normally doing PCC Monday through Friday at 3pm Eastern Standard Time. But I'm glad to be here. Phil, how you doing?

[Philip Labonte]

What's up everybody? I'm Philip Monte singer the heavy metal band all that Remains. Carter, what's going on?

[Carter Banks]

What's up everyone? Carter Banks here doing the buttons and sound live. And let's, let's get into it here.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the story from Lone Star legend. Now we saw Amy Coney Barrett testified today that she's terrified for the safety of her family. But check this out first. This is the context. Amy Coney Barrett's conservative voting record before and after Dobbs v. Jackson's Women's Health. This is the Roe v. Wade case pre Dobbs. You can see that she was siding almost entirely with the conservative wing of the court. 81% of the time in October of in the supreme court term in 2021, 81% after Dobbs. It drops down to 59%. 57. And as of 20, 24, 50%. Meaning she's gone fully just straight down the middle. Now, the one thing that we noticed in these recent rulings is that she seems to contradict herself. Not just her, but the court itself is strange. For instance, they ruled Donald Trump could not fire the head of the Federal Reserve because an independent agency. But then they also rule that Donald Trump could fire the head of any independent agency in a separate case, which makes literally no sense, unless the Federal Reserve is some kind of special entity that operates outside the law, I guess.

[Brett Dasovic]

Where's Ian when you need him?

[Tim Pool]

Where's Ian? But there are other issues as well, and you can see it plain as day, I need to go through every single ruling. But on the issue of the 14th Amendment, her arguments, at least in my opinion, her opinion that she issued seemed to make no sense, arguing that there was fear back in the 1800s that without a set day for the election, it could lead to a second Civil War. Indeed, my friends, in 1872, we were on the verge of the Civil War breaking out. Again. In 1876, a committee decided who would be president. There were concerns that because elections were being held randomly or just different times in different states, you could exploit the time or day of an election to make sure certain voting blocks would not come out. For instance, if you don't want farmers to vote, you say Election Day is the day of harvest or one of the most important times of harvest. So the farmers are gonna say, are you kidding? We're working 247 doing that. We can't vote now. So Congress ultimately ends up passing a law to which she acknowledged, but then said, eh, so what? Who cares? It seemed like she was arguing against herself, probably because after the Dobbs decision, before and after, you had massive death threats, you had someone trying to assassinate Brett Kavanaugh. And then we get this. Amy Coney Barrett giving emotional testimony about the moment her son saw her bulletproof vest. Thank you, Justice Gagan. How the volume and nature this year and those.

[Philip Labonte]

Microphone, please.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

Good.

[Philip Labonte]

Yes.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

And those statistics sound abstract, but being on the receiving end of them is not. So I thought I would just share a little bit about how the threats have affected me and my family personally. They have required me to my children to think about and see things that children should not have to see or think about. One example is when threats to my life were particularly intense. A few years ago, around the time of the Dobbs leak, my security detail sent me home with a bulletproof vest and I carried it into my house, put it into my bedroom, dropped it down on a table, turned around, and my 12 year old son was standing in the doorway of my bedroom and he wanted to know what it was and why I had it. And I didn't know how to respond because maybe I lack imagination, but I didn't expect that, that performing this service was gonna put me in the position of explaining to my children what a bulletproof vest was and why I had to wear one.

[Tim Pool]

Ma', am, if your 12 year old son did not know what a bulletproof vest was, then you must keep him locked in a basement or under a rock. I'm sure he's seen John Wick. I'm sure he's played Fortnite or Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto or literally watched any movie ever at any point.

[Craig Schistemas]

The ignorance of that statement, though, the idea that she would say, I just didn't know the gravity of being a justice on the Supreme Court. I didn't think that people would be really upse. But I agree, if you don't, you know, if you can't handle the heat, you get out of the kitchen. Right?

[Brett Dasovic]

She was after Kavanaugh, right? She was an appointment after Kavanaugh, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And I don't mean to be mean or dismissive or rude. I understand, like, we had someone drive by and shoot at this property too. I fully understand the threats, bro. Let me tell you a crazy story. Y' all know I was just spending last week at the World Series of Poker. One of the pros that played published a story. He said that after he cashed out, because he had something like $80,000 in prizes, he went back to his Airbnb, said two black dudes were waiting for him. They knew, they were tracking him, hogtied him, stole all of his stuff.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, I saw your tweet about that.

[Tim Pool]

And that's just. The guy's got a thousand followers. Nobody knows who he is outside of the poker world. It's not a very big world. I fully recognize I have two bodyguards with me all the time walking around. And I'm not gonna explain the degree of security that they're capable. Let's just say they are very capable individuals.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

And.

[Tim Pool]

And then I've got. Also got my posse, you know, because you got to have a posse, Right? I'm half kidding. But the reason why celebrities walk around with big groups of people, it's not always just because they're rich and their friends cling to their asses. It's because my friends are Also de facto security. We're a big group. We're not going to get screwed around with. I understand. Being in this line of work is dangerous. Amy Coney Barrett, if you think the threat is too great and you are issuing rulings that are tepid, weak, and bad for this country, you, you need to resign right now for the safety and sake of your children.

[Philip Labonte]

I'm not on the Supreme Court and I got bulletproof vest and I got, you know, plates and stuff.

[Craig Schistemas]

A podcast about video games. And I get death threats on a day to day basis because I know what a man is like.

[Philip Labonte]

Like, we, that's, that's, that's forbidden knowledge on the Internet. You can't actually know.

[Craig Schistemas]

And like, and this is, I listen, I get what she's going through here. We have, we have tried to plan events for our company multiple times, but the reality is that whenever we try to produce any sort of event anywhere in the world, anywhere in the United States, we have to account for way more security than a traditional event would because of silliness like that, you know, And I mean, I just go back to that statement. Yeah, the Fortnite thing and the body armor thing, that's insane, right? But the fact that she being, she was naive at the idea of being a Supreme Court justice wasn't going to be. There weren't going to be threats associated with that.

[Tim Pool]

It didn't used to be. But it goes to show that she has not been paying attention. And I'm just, you know, I get, I get headaches from this because I'm like, I'm the, I'm the Civil War guy. You know what I mean? Always screaming like things are getting crazy. And, you know, as of right now, I'd argue I don't exactly know where things are going because it looks like the crushing of USAID may have been like the right may have routed the left infrastructure to degree where they're getting pushed back to an insane degree. Like, where are the riots at? With that being said, for her to look at the Dobbs decision, the leak, they put up fences around the Supreme Court, they're banging and screaming during Kavanaugh's confirmation hearings, and she's not even Googling it. That's offensive to me. Like, she knew exactly what they did to Kavanaugh in terms of accusing him of being a gang rapist as well as trying to bang the door, bash the doors down. And then with the Dobbs decision, she's like, oh, heavens me, I'm so shocked this is happening.

[Brett Dasovic]

What was she she like a prosecutor before she took the bench. What did she do before that?

[Tim Pool]

I thought she was a federal judge.

[Brett Dasovic]

Right, Federal think she was a judge. So like she worked in law, then she went on to be a judge. I mean, my guess is that she was very career minded and this is a once in a lifetime opportunity that so few people get that she underestimated just how much security and how dangerous it was going to be.

[Carter Banks]

Being a federal judge isn't exactly a safe position.

[Philip Labonte]

She was on the.

[Carter Banks]

You're not immune to violence.

[Philip Labonte]

She was on the 7th Circuit for U.S. court of Appeals from 2017 to 2020. And prior to that she was a law professor at Notre Dame.

[Tim Pool]

And now it's. Look, we've talked about it. With all of her rulings in the past couple of years, she may as well be a liberal and we're left flabbergasted. What did we say two weeks ago? She got swatted in May and then issues these placid, moderate rulings with the most pathetic of opinions that she may as well have not even issued an opinion at all and contradicts herself. And I'm like clearly getting swatted has her shaken in her eye heels. Yeah, look, I, I'm not trying to be mean if, if, if my, if, you know, my child is not even that old. But I could not imagine your, your 12 year old child opening the door to a wall of police, probably screaming, hands in the air, this kid freaking out. And we've heard stories. There was that one story, I think it was like Oklahoma or whatever where a guy got swatted, opens his door with his gun in his hand, they shoot and kill him. Yeah, there's another story I saw where cops were responding to a domestic and they're banging on the door and they're at the wrong house. So they're just banging on the door. It's two guys, there's no lights, nothing. Banging on his bang. This guy's door like 3am he opens the door with his gun in his hand and they unload on him. Innocent guy at his own house. So what is she thinking right now? Even if the left doesn't come to actually try and assassinate or anything like that, how many more times will she get swatted? What can she do?

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, so.

[Tim Pool]

So they're here now asking for an increase in security and you know, look man, I, I'm sorry. She should resign.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's untenable. Like if it's, if it's that bad now, it's only going to get worse. It's not like it's something like you could make the argument that maybe when her kids are old enough to move out of the house, maybe she has a little bit more of a laissez faire attitude towards it when it's just her and her, her husband, but doubtful. Right. So it's, it's only going to get worse.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah. And, and I mean there are, there are, there aren't any, any actual cases that I'm aware of that are as volatile as Dobbs. And she kind of ducked the 14th Amendment question that was here. There is, there is the, the rifle ban that'll come up next year, but I don't think that that would set anyone off the way that the, the Dobbs decision did. So, you know, but that doesn't mean that something couldn't present itself, you know.

[Craig Schistemas]

Isn't it amazing though, to see whenever there's going to be a ruling and you know, which way it's going to go based off of whether the fence is up or not? Yeah, you know, yeah.

[Philip Labonte]

Right.

[Craig Schistemas]

That really says a lot about this. And also it's interesting that she would be demanding more security while there being less security in the United States, you know, for, for people coming in and voting. It's, it's amazing to see and I mean everybody has to see the hypocrisy in this.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah. I mean the, the whole idea of her needing or requesting more security, I don't think that that actually is going to have any kind of effect on her voting. Right. Like, like, just because she has more security doesn't mean that she can be like, oh, now I feel at ease to vote my conscience or vote what I actually think the law says. I think that this, that this is, she probably wants more security for her family and stuff, but if she, she still knows that if she were to vote in a way that inflamed the left, then they would still make a target of her. And even if you have security that like, it doesn't make you immune to, to, you know, intimidation, it doesn't make you immune to, to attack.

[Craig Schistemas]

So there have been a lot of people who have had security that are no longer with us.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, case in point. Just, I think it was yesterday was the two year anniversary of the attack in Butler, Pennsylvania and someone almost, to, you know, almost shot Donald Trump and he has, you know, what, arguably the best security in the world until they

[Craig Schistemas]

don't want to be.

[Philip Labonte]

Well, like I said, I mean there

[Brett Dasovic]

was that one lady, the one Secret

[Tim Pool]

Service lady, you know, the problem Ultimately

[Amy Coney Barrett]

is

[Tim Pool]

trying to be this middle of the road, please leave me alone. Makes everyone hate you.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So she hasn't got to come out and scream, you know, tradcon revolution and start rubber stamping every, you know, right wing policy and screeching the left. But she can be reasonable and correct and just say, look, you know, if as that chart showed, 81% of the time, she with the conservatives and that was acceptable, most people are like, okay, like, you're not going to win every single one. And you get upset about some. But when she's playing this 50, 50, middle of the road, the left hates her. They're not going to stop. She, like, that's just it, they're not going to stop. And now she'll have no support because this is what people do. And it's so pathetic. They play this game of I'm just going to duck and keep my head down and maybe it'll go away. No, what you're basically saying is the left is never going to stop. And you also don't want to have a support group behind you who agrees with you and would protect you. So, okay, you should resign. She should resign. But you know what? It's not going to happen. Nothing's going to happen. We're going to get these weak people. This is, this is, you know, I said, if Donald Trump doesn't do something about the elections and the corruption, he's Buchanan, but our whole government is full of Buchanans. We got like 80, 89% Buchanans and very few Lincolns. Clarence Thomas is a Lincoln. You know, he's a guy who's like, we're going to do what's got to get in Alito as well Trump. I would argue that the, you know, the verdict's out on Trump. We'll see what he says Thursday. But I will respect his bringing in Bill Pulte. So he's doing more than nothing. And getting rid of USAID was a nuclear bomb in this culture war. So I got to give him that.

[Brett Dasovic]

Do you think that's why there have been no riots?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, actually, yeah, I do.

[Brett Dasovic]

Soros is busy right now.

[Tim Pool]

It's not about Soros that USAID was funneling money. Where was all this money coming from? I would not be surprised. Look, it's just kind of weird that USAID goes tits up and now there's no riots for the first time in what, 20 years. So I've been involved in protests going back to 2006 with George W. Bush. Every single summer, there were protests. Now there's Just none.

[Brett Dasovic]

Are there what happened? Is there a story this summer specifically that you felt was really going to lead to riots that didn't. Is it the stuff with ice mostly

[Philip Labonte]

just the guy that got killed yesterday?

[Tim Pool]

Well, we've had, yeah, we've had more than one multiple. And we got these little bitty protests. Where's, where's the national rising up and people like, it's too hot out. It's not hot in Los Angeles, 69 degrees, where that's a major urban system. They just hear the protests.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah. And I don't believe, I don't believe that too hot is a thing. Like they go out at night.

[Brett Dasovic]

Too cold.

[Philip Labonte]

Too cold. And look what happened earlier this year. Right. I imagine there was still residual money left over. And you know, you had people out in, in Minnesota in the freez. Cold.

[Carter Banks]

Re.

[Philip Labonte]

Like real freezing cold. And, and there's just no appetite for it now. And I, I, I tend to agree with Tim I those he put something in the slack today. And that was my first question. I was like, do you think that it's, it's because of usaid? You know, if, if they don't have the funding to bust people in because Tim's talked about tourists.

[Tim Pool]

It's not even about that. It's about organizing. It's about making a flyer and saying, hey, come here at this time.

[Craig Schistemas]

Having it ready to go when it's time to use it. Immediately, right then.

[Tim Pool]

And so here's the thing I've heard for decades where they're like Soros funded protesters and these protesters don't get paid. However, there's like seven people who do who put the flyers up, the universities who go on social media, who go around and tell everybody to show up. And then people start showing up, but without those organizers, nobody shows up because ain't nothing to show up to.

[Philip Labonte]

Yep.

[Brett Dasovic]

You figured bad economy, all of the pallet of brick companies are just out of business.

[Craig Schistemas]

Amazing how many bricks just showed up on the side of the road during the Summer of Love. Back to Barrett real quick. I don't think anybody would really be upset if she was to say, look, this was too much for me. I, I did not. If she just was totally honest about it and said, I did not anticipate this and this is too much for me. I don't think anybody would, would falter. Be like, look, okay, cool, just step out of the way. Let the next, next person hop in. Yeah, I agree. I think it's totally.

[Brett Dasovic]

It would also shine a light on where they think the Violence is coming from which, you know, a lot of people are still in denial about it.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, I, I think you're right about the denial. I don't think that there, I think that you're right about the denial, but I don't think that her resigning would, would, would give anyone any more information. I think the people that, that believe that, you know, she's intimidated, they know that it's not, you know, right wingers doing it. Everyone knows that. It's not people on the right that are intimidating or there's been no consequential

[Tim Pool]

or, or, or, you know, Kagan's here too, being like. Well, I, I also get there. It's like, oh, shut up. This is, it's so fake. You look at the violence that we get politically and it's always leftists.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What just happened in Maine? A bunch of leftists attacked the journalists.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it's like on the news, they're like, journalists attacked by left. It's like, yeah, okay, well, it's like not even news anymore because it's just the given.

[Philip Labonte]

Hagan saying that reminds me of AOC saying. It's like she does have, you know, she has security concerns, but it's not really, it's not about politics. It's mostly like dudes that are creepy and weird that are, that are, you know, making remarks about aoc, people like Alex Stein that are more, you know, more.

[Tim Pool]

They're offended by something energetic.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, exactly. So I, I, I don't think that, I mean, I would like to see if what we're discussing here happens to be the case. I would like to see her step down, but I, I don't see that happening. The, the appointment to the SCOTUS is as a lifetime appointment. She's not going to, she'll just zero. She'll just ride the, ride the middle.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, she's going to try and just do the least amount possible.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Say nothing and just hide.

[Philip Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, she should, she should resign. Let's jump to this next story that we got from CNBC. Trump to claim declassified intel reveals 2020 election interference, according to Ms. Now. It's funny because, you know, we love Ms. Now. Trump plans to claim in a speech Thursday that newly declassified intelligence reports reveal a foreign nation's plans to interfere in the 2020 presidential election. CIA Director John Ratcliffe, Acting DNI, Bill Pulte, Cash Patel, and Mark Wayne Mullen will join Trump. According to Ms. Now, Trump earlier said he will make a speech to the nation on Thursday evening at 9pm Eastern without providing further details. And of course, Mississippi now is losing their minds. Here we go. Trump officials. Reuters. Trump officials sought ways to sidestep election agency before firings. Oh, boy, here it comes. Ms. Now Trump election task force to begin releasing classified intel documents. The election that never ends. Inside Trump Trump world's endless relitigating of 2020 and FBI analysts fired after refusing to join Georgia 2020 election probe. The rumors that we're hearing is that he's going to claim Ossoff and Warnock are illegitimate senators. If that's the case, if Trump is going to claim at all that our elections have been illegitimate, what's he going to do about it? Is he going to suspend the midterms? Is he going to issue an executive order on elections which will get tossed out of the courts in two seconds? What I think, honestly, he's going to go on tv, he's going to say, it's really bad, bad for our country. Our elections are fraud.

[Philip Labonte]

Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

Goodbye. Nothing happens.

[Craig Schistemas]

I agree.

[Brett Dasovic]

Which just makes people more angry because it's like you can identify the problem, but you can't do anything about it. What do you want me to do with that?

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Craig Schistemas]

Well, Georgia, even if he had won Georgia, it still wouldn't have swayed the election. And I think the most fascinating thing about this is the idea that, you know, the narrative behind this is there was no, there was no election interference. Well, there wasn't mass election interference, but I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the idea of having any sort of interference or any sort of, you know, corruption in your election process is a bad thing. Yeah, you know, it just, I'm just a normal guy, that's all. And it just seems really kind of kooky to me.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, look, the, the situation, I think that this, the situation in California has really shed light on the problems with the elections that are going on. The, and the fact that technically in California, I think the only thing that was actually illegal that they found was the, was people paying homeless people to vote. Now, I mean, you can, there's plenty of homeless people in, in California that you can give a buck or two to, to have them vote. But the, this kind of thing now has become more. Something that more people are aware of, I think, and actually are concerned with. And hopefully the evidence that, that Donald Trump says that he has, hopefully he can actually produce something that is compelling to the American people. And then, I mean, I say that people will demand it, But, I mean, 80% of the American people want the SAVE act and Congress won't do anything about it. So it does really. I totally understand where you come from. It does feel like, well, I guess we can't do anything about it.

[Brett Dasovic]

You know, best you can have is daylight savings time. That's all you get.

[Craig Schistemas]

You know, would really be awesome is if he came on and he said, look, you know, we're gonna make these guys resign, or they had to resign because here's the thing, right? They're just the faces of this, right? They didn't, you know, unless there was some sort of direct line to them saying, hey, we're going to, you know, cause this fraudulent activity or whatever. Right. But if he was to actually point out and say, this person is going to jail and give you a list of eight people that are actually going to have punishment for this, okay, I, I'm, I'm on board with that. Right. Set a precedent for what's moving ahead. If you, if you mess with our elections. Right. There will be consequences. And because I, you know, it's just such a simple process that I just, my brain does not wrap around the idea that people don't want this idea of, of votes counting fairly well.

[Philip Labonte]

That's, that's the thing. That's the point that I just make. It is, it's the American people do want that. They, you know, I think it's. 80 of the American population thinks, yes, you should require ID to vote, and Congress won't vote on it. The Senate won't actually hear it. Congress has passed it. The Senate won't hear it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, in recent times, I've realized that what really matters in politics is just saying the thing that the machine state will promote. So instead of actually having any integrity like many of these other podcasters, I've decided just to say whatever they want me to say. And that is, Trump is bad. He should not do this. Democrats have never done anything wrong at any point ever. And Hillary Clinton is. Should be president in 2028.

[Craig Schistemas]

Good for you, Tim. Good for you. I'm really brave of you. That's great.

[Tim Pool]

It takes a lot of bravery to say Hillary Clinton should be president.

[Craig Schistemas]

Good.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it was, it was tough, but we got there. No, in all seriousness, I'm sitting here and just in my mind, I'm visualizing, you know, Donald Trump going on TV and being like, at this moment, we are deploying federal agents to arrest all of the Democrats. And then it's just perp walks of, you know, all these Democratic, you know, not necessarily politicians, but like, you know, election officials, and it's not going to happen. Not.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's what I mean. When I. When we make the joke about nothing ever changes or nothing, you know, nothing ever. Nothing's ever different. It's the idea that what people want is the movie version of something changing. Right. They want somebody per walked out of a building that they can watch on tv that makes it feel like they're seeing the completion of a story with the good guys winning.

[Tim Pool]

Sort of not real, but they did know it. It is. They did it to Trump and they did it to Roger Stone, and they did it to Steve Bannon and they did Peter Navaro. And for the love of all that is holy, we're asking for one, one time, one time, one of these people is held accountable. And it just never happens. Trump's going to come out on Thursday and he's going to be like, so Roger Stone had his home raided at 5 in the morning and CNN was tipped off, and Steve Bannon went to jail and Peter Navarro went to jail and they harassed Michael Flynn endlessly. They put me in, they arrested me twice, they arrested my lawyers. And so we're upset. Thank you, goodbye. And we're going to be like, this is why I feel like so many people just don't care anymore. One of the reasons. Because you can only bash someone over the head over and over again, screaming like, look at all of the corruption, and nothing ever happens. And I just gotta say this, the left is fully cognizant that they have been rioting, that they have killed, that they will likely kill again, that they arrested Trump's lawyers, accused them of fraud, tried putting him in prison, sued to make it so he could not run for office. And they've done all these things and they go, but we have never done anything. And the Republicans just sit there going, well, you know, it's bad, I guess. Drat. It's too bad. Nothing will ever change. And if that's the case, what are we doing here? And why aren't we just, I don't know, ordering pizza, kicking back and watching the World Cup?

[Brett Dasovic]

The most demoralizing part is that it's with a super majority. If you can't get anything done with the supermajority, how do you expect anyone?

[Tim Pool]

No, it's not a super majority. It's a trifecta.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So we barely have Congress and Amy Coney Barrett's shaking, terrified, begging, please don't hurt me. I can't do this job.

[Carter Banks]

I'm scared.

[Tim Pool]

And. And Donald trump, bless his 80 year old heart. I do think he's trying. Bill Pulte is coming out like a bulldog and I really appreciate it. Bill's fantastic, man. I. When they announced that he was coming in, I was stoked because we might actually see some movement now. Finally get someone who's got the cojones. I don't, I don't know what happened to Balti. I mean, listen, he's a rich guy. He ain't got nothing to worry about. I got, my wife and I, we hung out with him. He's a cool dude. We hung out, we hung out at Mar a Lago, had a great time. For what reason would a guy so well off and successful need to stick his neck out in the way that he's been doing other than he means business and he believes in it and I love it. And you don't have that with most of these people. Now, to be fair, Blanche is doing great. I'm surprised. Mark Wayne Mullen coming out the gate doing well. I want to see more. And Pulte just charging full speed. You know, I would equate Bill Pulte to like starting a UFC match with a charging flying roundhouse that you, you leap at your opponent and then we'll just leave it there.

[Brett Dasovic]

You know what?

[Tim Pool]

It works out.

[Brett Dasovic]

One of the reasons why they're fighting so hard to prevent Paramount from owning Warner Brothers right now, it's got nothing to do with the movies and it's got everything to do with cnn. Right? Because one of the reasons why conservatives struggle in these situations is it becomes a full on media onslaught every time they try to do anything of any note and they get a lot of pushback in the traditional press and that still bothers them to an extent. Whereas when the left goes out and acts awful, they get their pushback from Fox News, from podcasters, but it doesn't create the same friction that it does. Which is why they want to make sure that they can control what's going on in cnn.

[Tim Pool]

Right. I accept. When Paramount buys out cnn, I will take Tim cast. I will take over the 8pm Primetime slot on CNN.

[Brett Dasovic]

Perfect.

[Tim Pool]

And it'll be hilarious.

[Brett Dasovic]

I'm, I'm. Well, there's. Now, now, who knows that's going to happen because we've got 12 states suing Paramount to keep them from.

[Tim Pool]

You know, the reality is though, we don't live in the world anymore where it actually matters. It used to be maybe 20 years ago CNN mattered as a brand because there was so few news channels to watch. But now CNN May as well just be like, you know, Bargain Bin Gatorade called, like, Goober Aid at Walmart. It's like, do you want to buy? Like, no one cares. You know, if we were to acquire that brand, doesn't mean anything. You know. Did you guys see that story about that juicer they were trying to sell? It was a bag of juice, and you put it in a machine and squeezed the bag, and that's all it was. And then these journalists were like, what if we just squeeze the bag ourselves? They're like, no, no, you got to buy the machine. Like, why would I want to buy that machine? It's useless. That's what CNN is.

[Brett Dasovic]

It would be a demoralization tactic for.

[Tim Pool]

That's true, too.

[Philip Labonte]

In.

[Brett Dasovic]

The point is the far left already thinks that CNN is maga.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like, if you go. If you go read under any clip from CNN on X, the farthest left people already, because David Zaslav's in charge over there.

[Tim Pool]

I just, I love the idea that Barry Weiss is going to be in charge of cnn. It's just the funniest thing I, you know, it's going to be absolutely hilarious.

[Craig Schistemas]

Has there been a breakdown of CNN's demographics as far as how much of their viewership is actually outside of airports, Dead people?

[Brett Dasovic]

No.

[Tim Pool]

No. So they don't do airports anymore. They lost that a long time ago.

[Craig Schistemas]

Did they?

[Tim Pool]

Okay, yeah, that was maybe like five or six years ago. The airport contracts all dried up. The hotel contracts dried up. And that was probably a good portion of their viewership. But hey, let's be real. That's viewership. When you're at a bar and they're playing cnn, people are watching. When you're at the airport, you're sitting there and CNN's on. They're capturing your eyeballs. And were they getting paid to do that? That's the craziest thing. Were they paying to do it?

[Brett Dasovic]

It's also, it's also a form of cultural. Like, it. It creates a sense of cultural importance around the wind. Yeah, exactly. Like, it doesn't. Like, even if nobody's watching. It's like if you watch, like, if you go watch movies and they try to show show, like a traditional network or a traditional show rather than creating their own fake one. They use CNN if it's supposed to frame a story a certain way.

[Tim Pool]

I accept. Brett. When Paramount acquires CNN, Tim cast IRL, will we accept Paramount take over the 8pm CNN slot, for which you can air it in airports all across the country, and then we will be the ubiquitous news program where we get to say what we want.

[Philip Labonte]

Ian will drop the F bomb in the first 20 minutes of the show.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. But over there, they'll have the. They'll have the delay. They'll be able to prevent.

[Craig Schistemas]

Could you imagine the meltdown, though? What happened if.

[Philip Labonte]

If Ian were in airports, it would be terrible. It'd be crazy.

[Craig Schistemas]

Oh, just.

[Tim Pool]

No, but here's the reality. Most people, left or right, would just be like, oh, cool.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because I, you know, what's funny is I meet a lot of liberals and I tell you the average person is not some raging psychopath, hyper partisan individual. I'm. And I'm not saying that to suggest there's not a risk of, you know, conflict or violence or anything like that, because there is. It has always been a small group of people that foment the most. Most of the conflict. But I gotta tell you, you know, especially playing, you know, in Vegas and going to all these. These places, I would say that 90 of people come up to me. They're like, I'm a big fan. I watch you all the time. The weirdest was when they were like, I'm a huge fan of you. I watch you on Tick Tock all the time. And I'm like, I'm. I'm not on TikTok. And he goes, no, no, just people post your clips all the time. It's like, well, I guess that's kind of all right. But then there, I met a handful of people, they're like, oh, hey, you're Tim Pool. Nice to meet you. It's like, I'm not. I. I don't agree with you. I don't. I'm not a big fan of what you. Of your show. But, like, I appreciate what you do. I get it. I just don't. I disagree. And I'm like, oh, that's fantastic. I. I've never had. I had one guy in Vegas say, f you should be in prison. Just one. One guy out of the, like, the hundreds who came up to shake my hand and, you know, take pictures.

[Craig Schistemas]

So normal people. People are normal for the most part. And, yeah, and there's this. You know, that's what happens with social media is it's obviously, you know, we all know this. This makes. It amplifies these crazy loons. And that's why Amy Coney Barrett needs more security over here.

[Philip Labonte]

I was just doing a podcast with someone else else this morning, and we were talking about how, you know, go outside and talk to any individual. They will. You will never have an interaction in real life from a per. With a person you don't know, like an interaction on the Internet. Like it is just entirely different. People don't interact in real life the way that they do. The way they interact on the Internet, it is entire. Like it's, it's like people become entirely different human beings, you know. Well, you'd actually have to be an insane person to interact, you know, in real life the way that people interact on the Internet.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta be honest, I'm. I'm curious about the strategy at Paramount right now because I. It. It doesn't seem like they're going ham.

[Brett Dasovic]

What do you mean?

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, CBS News hired a bunch of contributors which were considered to be like fairly moderate, which is great news. And CBS had some pretty good reporting. They, they added to the reporting. Nick Shirley started with the fraud in Minnesota. They did their own report and it was great fact checking and debunking the lies of all these other corporate house. I'm a big fan, but I kind of feel like they could they go a little harder, you know what I mean?

[Brett Dasovic]

I don't think so. I don't think that Ellison wants to do that. I think, I think he wants to find a way to the middle where he believes that they can find a more profitable version that'll bring in the mod moderates.

[Tim Pool]

But there aren't any.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean that. Whether that exists or not is up for debate. But I, I do think that their general idea is that they want to attract moderates.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, no, like I said, like most people, at least from the news side of things, I think most people who are not watching the news 247 are not. So they're, they're fairly dispassionate. You know, they care a little bit. They'll say things like, oh, I don't agree with you, Tim, but they're not spending all of their time hyper focused on, you know, midterms or anything like that. But it's gonna happen in the next couple of months. I mean, look, we're, we're midway through July. We're gonna be entering the. I mean, how much money are they gonna spend on these? This midterm is gonna be what a record spend. This is. This is it. They lost everything. The Democrats last chance to stop Trump this midterms and they got the polling by their side. Doesn't mean they're gonna win. The Republicans got the procedure with redistricting. If Trump comes out on Thursday and says something like were issuing several executive orders, I feel like it would be a little early to do so, but maybe the strategy is this. If Trump came out in October and said, executive order stop, right? Well, what's gonna happen is they've already got the mail in votes, they're printed up ready to go. They will file it. They'll file it at a federal court, get an injunction, and do it anyway. If Trump moves now, theoretically, he could force them to stop the creation of universal votes or implementation of these systems or hiring of individuals, which could jam them up and create a delay by which they may not be ready by October. So if he does this now, and right now they're starting to ramp up the production of universal mail in votes in many of these places, then they put a stop on it. They file for an injunction, they get it, Trump appeals, he could potentially block them from getting the process started for a month or two, in which case they would not be ready by October. Now, it's hypothetical. I don't know if actually that's what's going to play out. But I'm just trying to speculate as to why Trump would make any moves now, considering he's mid July. I would, I would, I would argue that the strategy then is probably let's jam up the starting process for the universal mail in voting system and not do it too late to where you could lose the injunction and the machine is already built.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, I think that he's probably getting a jump on the, the fall anyways. That's, that's.

[Tim Pool]

And, you know, maybe it's going to be an onslaught. Maybe he does in October as well. Maybe he does a bunch now, jams them up, starts a bunch of lawsuits, and then come October, issues a bunch more. I mean, the real strategy is for Trump just to sign like 15 and then you got to sue them all at once.

[Philip Labonte]

Well, I mean, would it make more sense to release them in tranches?

[Tim Pool]

So then it would make sense to do like every other day, release like two or three.

[Philip Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And the funny thing is, like, what's broken with the system? Like, Trump can sign 100 executive orders pertaining to the election just within a week, and there's nothing you can do to stop him. I mean, it's kind of ridiculous that our system operates this way.

[Craig Schistemas]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Trump could come out and be like, here's one. Sue me. And then they do like, okay, I'll do another one. Sue me.

[Craig Schistemas]

Could you imagine the accusations of, you know, the tyrant, the king, the fascist, you know, whatever, how quickly that would escalate on, on cnn, on msnbc, go down the list. And man, that would be a great payday for all those lefty influencers. Tell you what.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, they'd probably be happy about it

[Craig Schistemas]

because, yeah, they'd be, say, stoked.

[Tim Pool]

Is there some way you can blame Israel for doing it? Because then the right would also get a bunch of views.

[Philip Labonte]

You know, it would be great, I think, I mean, look, it would be hilarious. I think that it would be thoroughly entertaining just to see how bad the, the left freaks out. I don't think there will be anything would come of it. At the end of the day, I think that the elections would happen and, you know, whoever actually, you know, whoever has the most votes would win. I think that the, the, the actions wouldn't produce any tangible results. But I do think it'd be funny personally.

[Craig Schistemas]

What if tomorrow on Thursday night, Trump comes out and he's like, my fellow Americans, it was Israel. And like,

[Philip Labonte]

never hear the end of it. There'd be juice burging across the, across X for, for weeks. For weeks.

[Craig Schistemas]

Just walks off.

[Philip Labonte]

It was Israeli. They're in our elections.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yeah, foreign interference. What if he was like, Israel did it?

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, it'd be like, that'd be the

[Tim Pool]

craziest thing you say.

[Brett Dasovic]

On his last day in office.

[Tim Pool]

He's, it's supposed to be about foreign interference, which is going to say China.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, right.

[Philip Labonte]

I mean, probably China. That makes the most sense.

[Tim Pool]

The, the interesting thing is what documents will they end up releasing? And I'm curious how regular people will react to it. You know, it's funny when you, when you watch or read Ms. Now, it's, it's, it may as well just be like CIA communiques, just, it's obvious biased propaganda. That being said, you don't necessarily, you're going to trust whatever it is that Trump's going to release, though. I wonder, I wonder about what really happened. I wonder if our elections were rigged from the get go. So be it. Obama and Bush, it's all rigged. Be it Romney, Obama, it's rigged. And then Trump came in and Trump was not supposed to win. Trump and Bernie were the insurgents and it was supposed to be some flaccid Republican versus Hillary Clinton. Hillary wins, Trump wins, jams everything up. I wonder if Russia actually did interfere. And I'll say it like this, the narrative they put out about Russian interference came to, came with nothing. There's, there was nothing there. They never had any evidence. They never came out with anything. However, the conspiracy theorist in me is like, what if Russia really did interfere but they just Stopped the rigging. That is, the machine was rigged from the get go. And it was meant to be that the American people don't really choose who president the president's going to be. And there's a deep state that exists beyond administrations. Russia then does something that blocks the standard rigging. Hillary Clinton was supposed to win, but because of Putin, she doesn't. Trump accidentally wins and it wasn't that he coordinated with Russia, but that Russia attacked our machine. And the reason why the Democrats are screaming Russia did it was because Russia did. But they couldn't actually release the evidence because the evidence would prove they've been rigging our elections for decades.

[Philip Labonte]

That'd be hilarious.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying all that hypothetically, I would

[Brett Dasovic]

have made a great movie like Wag the Dog back in the day, right?

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Make a great movie now. Let's make it the Accidental President.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then it turns out like the Democrats, Republicans have been rigging the elections. There's no actual democracy in this country. It's a controlled state. And then a foreign adversary throws a wrench in the works. Trump becomes president. Trump doesn't know there's this machine and thinks he genuinely wins. And then they try to stop him, he gets super angry and then they, you know, take the election back. Then come 2024, Trump wins and he's like, we're going to crush him. So he shuts down usa.

[Carter Banks]

Be careful what you wish for.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, that would be worse. That would be worth making just for the of sake scene when Trump finds out that he wins. Like whoever.

[Tim Pool]

Like don't you know the reporting from 2016?

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, he had no idea when he won.

[Tim Pool]

He was like, what? They were like, you won? He's like, I did.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like he was genuinely shocked. Michael Moore argued that Trump only ran for president because. Was it like Gwen Stefani got a. Got a better pay package with NBC or something? I mean, it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Because Trump had registered Maga in 2012, he was clearly planning on running for office.

[Brett Dasovic]

The.

[Tim Pool]

But. But there is a legitimate argument that Trump was running for office thinking it was a long shot bid, but it was going to, it was going to boost his Q rating.

[Brett Dasovic]

The funnier version of that is the idea that somewhere in America, Hillary Clinton is actually really popular. Like in this version of it. Like, if the idea here is that they stop the cheating, I want to find out later that Hillary Clinton's actually really popular.

[Tim Pool]

No, she was cheating. The argument is she could never legitimately win. This is actually A conspiracy theory, by the way, because I've had people pitch me this, that Russia turned off the rigging machine and this was the real result. Hillary barely got any votes and then Trump ended up winning. Not that I really believe it, but it'll be interesting to see what Trump says on Thursday. What if. What if it's like a total curveball and he's like, papua New guinea has been interfering in our elections for decades.

[Craig Schistemas]

Iceland, Greenland, something like that.

[Tim Pool]

It's the. It's nook Trump.

[Philip Labonte]

I didn't realize this, but Trump registered Maga in 2012, you said. Yeah. The White House correspondents dinner when Barack Obama was clowning was April 30, 2011.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Philip Labonte]

So right in the year before. I still firmly believe that it was because of Barack Obama that, like, the best thing Barack Obama did was give us Donald Trump.

[Craig Schistemas]

I love the idea that this all, like Donald Trump's presidency. Everything goes back to Gwen. Gwen Stefani. I love that idea.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, it was Fahrenheit 11, 9. Michael Moore did that documentary that nobody went to see, and it was supposed to be like, trump is bad. Michael Moore is never going to live it down because he gave that speech in 2016 where he said, trump's going to save the day and everyone loves him. And that speech went super viral. You know what I love is that Michael Moore did this speech about. He was like, donald Trump went to the auto. Auto manufacturers and said, if you move production, manufacturing overseas, I will charge you a 30% tariff. And he said the executives were shocked. No one had ever stood up to them this way before. And they were. And they were worried. And so he's like, Trump was the fu. The Molotov cocktail thrown in the machine that people were begging for. And he's like, so they'll vote for them and they'll be happy for a week, maybe a month, but then they'll come to regret it. And the funny thing is, they never did.

[Craig Schistemas]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Literally never did. Some people in 24, don't get me wrong, libertarians have voted for him.

[Philip Labonte]

Did.

[Tim Pool]

But what people started doing is the speech was meant to be. Here's how Trump conned you. And now he'll betray you. But they cut off the back end and then they took only the beginning, where he's like. He was the Molotov cocktail thrown into the machine. And they put that epic music, you know the one I'm talking about? It's like. And it's like violin. It's all epic. And Michael Moore is like, donald Trump will Be the human Molotov cocktail, the F you to the system. And everyone's stringing. Then he just. And then just stop. So you never hear the criticism. And then everyone thought Michael Moore genuinely was just praising Trump.

[Brett Dasovic]

So he's one of the first victims of, like, lie by structure and by cutting off a clip.

[Tim Pool]

One of the first. I mean, I don't know, maybe that. It's around that era, isn't it? It's pretty wild clipping. Yeah. You know, with a video being so perfect nowadays, 2028 is going to be the craziest thing. We're going to get video, like indistinguishable video of JD Vance, like saving a bag of puppies from a fire. And you're gonna be like, I can't tell if it's real or not.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. But the smartest people working on it will know to find the idea where it's just believable. Like, that's just too far from believable for most people to buy into it, which is really gonna suck if he actually did save a bunch of puppies from like a burning building.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this is what I was saying the real threat was with AI is not that someone will make a video of Donald Trump shooting someone on Fifth Avenue because no one will believe it. It's like the Very Fine People hoax. When that happened, Trump said there were very fine people on both sides. And I'm not talking about the neo Nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally. And the example I give is someone will take a video like that and they'll change it so that Donald Trump says, and I'm not talking about the neo Nazis and white nationalists because some should be condemned totally. They'll change they to some. And then what happens is no one will be able to remember exactly what Trump said because you're going to have someone's like, I was there. He said some. Then liberals are going to be like, yo, he didn't say that all the Nazis were good people. He was saying some of them were. And it'll be just enough to where you will never debunk the lie again. And we're there now.

[Craig Schistemas]

How do you get ahead of that? Right. I would. If you're can't.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, post truth, society doesn't matter anymore.

[Tim Pool]

It's post, post truth.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

It's just we're already there. I watched a video of Mitch McConnell break dancing today. Yes, that proves it. He's alive. Now, obviously that's over the top, but if someone made an AI Video that was very simple, where he just said, thanks for coming, and that was all it was. People would believe it if he made it real simple. Take that photo of Mitch McConnell and then what you do is you animate it so that he's looking at his wife as she says something. Or it's probably easier to do AI of him because we all have his voice recorded, but he can say, I'm getting better and thank you for your concern. Then what you do is you film the screen on your phone. So now you're getting that. That broken resolution that makes it hard to tell when it's. When it's AI people are going to believe it. I mean, right now, AI video is not perfect. Sea Dance is incredibly good. But there's a lot of AI videos and you're like, you know, you can still kind of tell year from now. I don't think that'll be the case.

[Philip Labonte]

No.

[Tim Pool]

And then once we get Neuralink, I don't think anything's going to matter at that point.

[Craig Schistemas]

All I know is that right now I'm literally making a video of you saving a lot of puppies via AI because I just think it's funny.

[Tim Pool]

That's not an AI video. Actually, it did just Google search it. Yeah. It'll be like two full burlap sacks of baby puppies. Oh, you know, running through a burning building. Is it jumping over barrels, too?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And didn't even got a hammer and hit a gorilla with it.

[Philip Labonte]

Didn't even sing his hair.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Philip Labonte]

No, but you're pointing about your point about AI the AI video stuff. People, People still, like, think that they can figure it out and they're like, oh, I can tell. I don't. I think that maybe 50% of the people out there can actually figure it.

[Brett Dasovic]

Audio is a bigger concern anyways. Like, if you look at any video that, like, that they post when they're, when they're getting the clips from, like, what's his. Whenever they do the undercover videos, where they're deep, where they're like exposing journalists, James o' Keefe or anything like that, all you need is a low resolution video and then a copy of someone's voice, you can pretty much change anything

[Tim Pool]

they're saying, yeah, oh, it's going to be wild because you can already do it live. Where? With, like, live filters. What's going to stop someone from doing a filter of, of. Of, you know, me or Phil or somebody? And then they're sitting in their room on their phone and the filter makes it you cuz you, you've already seen these videos, right? Actually it already exists.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Have you seen the videos where you can use AI replacement?

[Craig Schistemas]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, these videos are nuts. I watch a dude make himself Homer Simpson. It's like it'll be a guy on Instagram and he's like, are you wondering

[Philip Labonte]

how to do AI replacement?

[Tim Pool]

And then it looks like this and it's over. Simpson. You're like, whoa.

[Philip Labonte]

If I, if I understand correctly, there are already dudes in, in India that are selling their only fans and they're actually dudes in India.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, did you see the one where it was like a five foot four, scrawny bald Indian guy and he's, he's doing like a string dance like this with his hips and then he winks and turns into like a hot anime waifu and he was like, he was doing it to make the point about who's who you're really buying your sex content from.

[Craig Schistemas]

Well, you know, so I work with a lot of YouTubers on a day to day basis with our show and that's kind of the running gag is that you know, it's a lot of the Vtubers, you know, people say they're like, you know, 40 year old dudes like, like, like me but. And you never know with voice changers and stuff. Yeah, you know, ours are great, but ours are awesome. But yeah, it's, it's, you never know. You truly never know with, with technology. And I, look, I can tell. But you know who can't tell is you know, people who aren't perpetually online on the Internet constantly, especially my kids, my God, they have no idea what's real and what's not normal.

[Philip Labonte]

I mean, honestly, I mean if you're dealing with, with young kids, obviously it's, it's easier to fool them. But like even normal people that aren't on their phone constantly, right? If you've got a normal job that doesn't have. That's not, you know, we're using a computer all day long. It's, it's very easy for those people to get taken. I mean look, look how many people fall for phishing emails still in this day and age. They still fall for phishing email.

[Tim Pool]

That's so wild. You know, because you can't, you can update your computer, you can't update humans. So that's why like even, even two factor is not good enough. One of the techniques that they'll do is when they create a shell website that asks for your password when you type in your Information. They will, it'll then intercept and go to the website and then the two factor pops up as well. And then you put it in and then it goes to them and they put it in. Yeah, nothing you can do. It's just, it's crazy. The other crazy thing is that this works with you. You don't need to spoof the person you're targeting. You can spoof their isp. So you can, you can go after. It's harder to go after big companies. But one of the biggest problems we've had is that phone carriers are remarkably dumb. And people have called like AT&T and just said, hey, my name is Phil labonte and I'm trying to get my, I'm trying to log in. And they go, okay. And they log them in and then all of a sudden you got access to all their private stuff. Then you get their emails and then there you go. 2 factor is still pretty good though. 2 factor solves a lot of the problems. And phone lock. 2 factor. So like what Google does is the 2 factor is locked to your specific device so that it's going to be a pop up. So if someone actually spearfishes you, then they won't be able to actually log in without your physical.

[Carter Banks]

Did you hear about that? This happened like three or four weeks ago. Like the AI bots talked to each other and hacked up. Well, somebody used the AI chat bot on Meta or Instagram and like got a bunch of accounts. I think Barack Obama's X account or his Instagram account.

[Philip Labonte]

Hilarious.

[Carter Banks]

But two factor authentication actually saved. I mean these are people that didn't have that activated so at least stopped that from happening. But they couldn't get their accounts back because they're still talking to an AI thing and they're like, yeah, now something good too.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's the crazy thing about Facebook, bro. The future is going to suck so much. Did you guys see that? You know, we should do. Let's talk about this. Let me pull this up.

[Craig Schistemas]

It's always a nice ominous transition where man, the future is going to suck so much.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Have you guys. Let's, let's pull this strip, guys, from Eyewitness abc. More flock cameras are getting cut down across Houston day after residents expressed concern. I don't know if they have any photos, but this video has gone viral of a guy using a reciprocating saw and slicing through. Let's see if we can find some photos. Oh, look at that. We got a video right here.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

Let's.

[Tim Pool]

Let's pull this Up. Look at that. They got no audios. Here we go.

[Brett Dasovic]

This taste for flock cameras is manifesting in Harris county two ways through public means.

[Tim Pool]

Having flock in Harris county makes us less safe. It puts all our county's residents. I'm pro flock camera now. I saw his shirt. I'm pro AI Pro flock camera. I don't trust him. That's it. Anything. Anything DSA endorses, I will. I will be against anything that they come out against. Denounce, I will support. That's it.

[Brett Dasovic]

He has DSA posture.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. DSA posture. I'm kidding, by the way. But the crazy thing is, if you've seen these stories where innocent people are getting arrested because flat cameras are wrongly.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Flagging them. There was a guy driving his car, and the flat camera entered the wrong license plate number because it couldn't read it. He had. He had dealer temporary plates, and it removed two of the digits because it couldn't read them. So the cops get this car flagged as stolen, and they pull him over, and he's like, what? There was a woman who got arrested because a flock camera identified her vehicle outside of a porch. A porch piracy. And she. She had proof.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

Here's.

[Tim Pool]

Here's what gets scary. She had proof. She did not steal it on camera. And the cop, she goes, I'll show you the video because I don't care. It's not my job. Yeah, but it's true. It's not the cop's job. The cop gets told by the office, go issue the summons for her for the. For the infraction. He doesn't review evidence, so he doesn't care. The machine said, arrest this woman. And he said, you got it. And even though she could prove she had not. Like, that cop should be able to be like, I ain't arresting you, lady. He went, I don't care. There was another lady who got arrested and sent. Was like. Was it. She went to jail for four months because an AI camera, a facial recognition, wrongly flagged her as the perpetrator. It was like South Dakota. And she did not live there and had never been there. And she gets this warrant. They come to her house, arrest her, and drive her all the way to, like, South Dakota, where she's held for four months. And finally her lawyer is like, this is not the person. This is insane. And she lost her house, she lost her pets, she lost her job. She lost everything. Yeah, that's insane.

[Craig Schistemas]

Well, the flock CEO has come out saying all the people who are chopping them down are like, antifa.

[Tim Pool]

He's not wrong. I mean, look, but. No, but it's true. Yeah, but like, am I gonna defend Flock?

[Philip Labonte]

No, but I'm not gonna defend the DSA either. I mean, look, the, the, the, the fact that the, the left is so strongly against AI data centers and just AI in general, it really is kind of counter to what they've been saying they want forever. Right? Like you don't get the super abundance that capitalism is supposed to create. Like Mark said that capitalism was going to become so good that it was going to create super abundance and then we would move to a socialist society. We wouldn't, we wouldn't need money because there'd be, there'd be, you know, everybody would have enough for everybody. There would be enough for everybody. Basically describing the kind of the abundance ideology that a lot of people in the AI industry are, are known for. And the DSA is totally against it because they say, oh well, it's going to put people out of work. Well, first of all, I think they're wrong. I don't, I don't, I don't agree with that. But that doesn't change the fact that if you actually want to have a post capitalist, post money society, the things that people need have to be produced somehow. But I think that this actually just points to a flaw. Well, not a flaw, but the deception in the left kind of narrative. Really what they want is power. They don't want, they don't want AI. You know, they want to control the AI. They want to have the AI for themselves or be able to make sure that the AI is producing the correct narrative and they're in control of it.

[Brett Dasovic]

So wouldn't that like, wouldn't that put throw cold water on the idea that they want to get rid of the data center? So don't they want the, if they want to control the AI, doesn't have to actually have the data center.

[Philip Labonte]

Well, they don't have control of it now because it's the, you know, handful of big companies or whatever and Bernie Sanders is trying to get, you know, actually the DSA specifically says that. Well, actually, no, I'm not sure. I don't know if it was Jacobin magazine that was, was making the argument or if it was dsa, but I think it might have been Jackman. They were saying, look, we should expropriate these companies. We should just nationalize them, make them, make them. You know, we take over them. So that way we control them.

[Brett Dasovic]

Then we explicit domain and steal your property and build the data center.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, of Course, I mean they, again, they, they don't believe that there should be private property at all. So this is, is right in line with what they say.

[Brett Dasovic]

Also, them complaining about people being put out of work is ironic.

[Philip Labonte]

It is.

[Tim Pool]

Because none of that, you know, I'm, I'm anti AI, but my view is that we need to keep one hand on the steering wheel. You know what I mean by that is I think AI is going to cause a lot of short term problems. But at the same time I've been thinking about the issues that we face and we've talked a lot about the AI apocalypse, what it's going to do in terms of white collar jobs, how it's going to be like the industrial revolution 10x. That all feels inevitable. And so the question I've been asking myself is like, what do we actually do? Because I don't want to sit here and just complain about it. So I think the reality is that we need to keep one hand on the steering wheel.

[Brett Dasovic]

Do you watch Captain America Civil War recently?

[Philip Labonte]

No, I just watched it the other day. It's a great movie.

[Brett Dasovic]

Tasha uses that.

[Tim Pool]

Keeping one hand on the steering wheel.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right. But it's true though, however, in that regard I disagree. Like they were basically like, force everybody to sign these accords and work under the United States government. They could have all just said no.

[Craig Schistemas]

You know, this goes back to, I mean the, the whole thing with AI and Elon Musk where he talks about the universal high income and, and BY, you know, 2030, there's going to be AI, AI surgeons who are better than real surgeons. And then by what, 2040, he thinks everyone's gonna have this universal high income and everyone's gonna not have to worry about retirement because it's all going to be good. And la di da.

[Philip Labonte]

I mean just, just last week there was the first gallbladder removed by robots using, using the tools that, that surgeons usually use. It was, I think it was, it was an animal, something like that. But they removed a gallbladder, that kind of surgery and stuff that's coming in the next, I mean, honestly I think that it's probably going to be within the next 18 months and, and maybe an additional year for FDA approval and, and stuff like that. But it's gonna, it's gonna be very soon where people are gonna start saying, okay, robots have a, you know, one in a million error rate and every single time this procedure is done, that information goes to all the robots that are doing these procedures. So when you ask a, a heart surgeon how many times have you done this procedure? And he's like, oh, I've done 75 of them. And then you look at how many times it's been done by a robot and shared with all the robots since like 432,000. Which one are you going to go with? You know, people are going to make that decision real quick. They're going to be like, I'm going to go with the robot that's done it 432,000 times.

[Craig Schistemas]

You know, robots don't get tired, robots don't have emotion.

[Carter Banks]

Y robots, yeah, that's a problem though. They don't have emotion.

[Brett Dasovic]

They never stop, ever. Until you're dead.

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't want to live under Chinese communist authority.

[Philip Labonte]

No, no, I think that's why, that's part of the reason why. As much as, you know, I think that there's legitimate criticism for anthropic and chat, GPT and GROK and all of them. I would much rather use an American AI than any of the Chinese open source models. Because you know that the Chinese open source models, even though they're, they're, they're months or whatever behind the American models, like, you know that your information is definitely not secure, right? And, and it's going to the Chinese government. I don't want to see China advancing past the United States. I mean, and there's a lot of good models.

[Tim Pool]

But think about the pods, right? So when they released the Neuralink headband, that will allow read write to your brain and you can experience any reality you want. Like you put the headband on, it puts you. Are you going to do it? Well, ready? Player one was still just a goggle when they put the headband on. And it makes you physically experience the video game. Are you going to get it?

[Craig Schistemas]

I will not. No, you won't get it. No, you won't.

[Tim Pool]

You won't play GTA 12.

[Craig Schistemas]

I like the idea of having, you know, knowing what's going into my body and not being controlled. But I tell you what, there will

[Tim Pool]

be a lot of people who will non surgical.

[Craig Schistemas]

Non surgical.

[Tim Pool]

Literally you go to Best Buy and

[Craig Schistemas]

you just pop it on, okay.

[Tim Pool]

Slide it on your head and it read writes to your brain. So you go into Skyrim and you're like, man, you can feel everything and you got like a fireball in your hand. You throw it.

[Philip Labonte]

Wow.

[Craig Schistemas]

So personally, no smell the burning flesh.

[Tim Pool]

So, so you can smell burning.

[Craig Schistemas]

I look at it like, like when I think of VR, right, people put on their VR helmets and for me, I I've never got into VR. I know people who are champions of VR, but the only aspect of VR that I could potentially see being useful or number one, training for, you know, doctors and such. But from a, from an entertainment perspective, it's. For me, it'd be like going to a basketball game and having courtside seats and being able to experience that way. Right. Something that I would never do, but I could.

[Tim Pool]

Don't you just dream of being Mario eating mushrooms all day and punching bricks?

[Craig Schistemas]

Oh, man. Boy, can dream, but not in this case. No. I, I, for me, no. But I tell you what, it would. Yes. When it, when it gets there, there'll be a lot of people lining up to do that. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And that's why I say it's also like the, the, the conservative vision is like, wow, that's hell on Earth. Right. But what are you going to do about it? These people are going to choose to go into pods and then get the roach. Roach mush pumped into their stomachs.

[Craig Schistemas]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Because they'd rather be wizards than live in this reality.

[Philip Labonte]

Is it Cipher was the guy that decided that he wanted to go back into the Matrix?

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Philip Labonte]

There will be plenty.

[Tim Pool]

He wants to be an actor.

[Philip Labonte]

Oh, he went. Yeah, he did. He did.

[Brett Dasovic]

Won't even matter. You're gonna read right to your brain. And then they're gonna pull the license on all the movies you've downloaded, and you're not going to be able to watch service.

[Craig Schistemas]

Digital ownership, man, it always comes back

[Brett Dasovic]

to, you're not going to own anything thing.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah. Yep.

[Philip Labonte]

It is worth noting, though, that the.

[Tim Pool]

I think everyone's going to do it. I think very few people, like conservatives, are saying, like, they wouldn't do it, but it's going to be their kids who are like, yeah. Oh, well, you know, it's no big deal. We all play video games. Right. They're going to go to school and they're going to be like, yo, what's your, what's your ID on neural net? And they're going to go, oh, my parents didn't get me one. They'll be like, you don't have one. And the kid's going to be going like, dad, I need to get a neural net. Like, all my friends are on it. Like, you are not getting one of those things. And then he's going to be like, this is not fair. And he's going to go to his friend's house and they're going to hook him up and he's going to use it anyway.

[Philip Labonte]

So, you know, One of the, one of the reasons people at least got into Xbox Live and stuff like that was because you'd get teams together and you'd play games. Is it, is it like, would it be a reasonable substitution if you're getting together and playing games with your friends in virtual reality? Or is it something where, bro, you're

[Tim Pool]

going to have, you're going to have a friend who lives in a different state.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they're going to put their neural link on and they're all going to be running around like Dragon ball world fighting, you know, freezer or whatever.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, I love it.

[Craig Schistemas]

We already have it. It's called VR chat.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But it's not, it's not, it's not read right to your body. You don't.

[Craig Schistemas]

Right, right.

[Tim Pool]

People are going to jump in that in two seconds.

[Craig Schistemas]

But what I'm saying is that even without that, people are still jumping in and doing that.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right, exactly. You know, imagine what happens when it becomes completely immersive.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I'm telling you, the libs are going to disappear overnight. Every liberal is gone.

[Craig Schistemas]

I agree. I actually very much agree. Especially you know, that, that part of video games in particular is, is the escapism of it. If you can ramp it up to 25 instead of 10 and make it an all encompassing experience that goes directly to your brain like you're saying. Yeah. People will be all about that.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah. Because it, I mean, right now there's still like the effort to make video games as immersive as possible. So once you can actually just, you know, send a signal straight into people's brains and they experience it, I don't know if they'll be able to actually do like a hat or a helmet the way that we're talking about here. But yes, definitely will be able to do it with, with implants. And there's gonna be a lot of people that are gonna.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think you need implant. Nobody's gonna do implants. Nobody's gonna get the surgery. I mean, some people will initially, but they'll be, they'll be able to do headbands. I'm not saying anytime soon.

[Brett Dasovic]

Meaning it doesn't cover your eyes. Right. Because that seems to be the consistent problem with VR. Right. Is that, is that it ends up making your eyes hurt.

[Craig Schistemas]

Well. And that is, it's just too exclusive. Right. If I'm sitting there in my living room with a VR headset on, I don't know what's going on around me. Right. I may have my kids over here or Whatever, you know, whereas, like augmented reality is supposed to be, you know, in addition to what's happening. And I think that's probably a better case use case for this, you know, augmented reality of you going down the street and seeing a Mario block and all of a sudden, you know, Mario is in real life, you know.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. When Pokemon Go came out at the. I was working at a gas station at the time and I watched so many people almost get hit by cars.

[Craig Schistemas]

The window, you know, it's 10 years old.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Philip Labonte]

Is it really? Wow. Yeah, that was, that was just a way to get data, right, wasn't it?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Philip Labonte]

Trying to get like street view and stuff like that. They were collecting all the views of certain particular areas.

[Craig Schistemas]

You know how I know that AI and robots are going to be doing better surgery than surgeons today in about two, three years. Spaghetti. Will Smith eating spaghetti.

[Philip Labonte]

Oh, yeah.

[Craig Schistemas]

Because if you go back to what that looked like three years ago, it looked like a jumbled mess, and now it looks like, you know, he's having fine dining with his kid, who's not weird. So.

[Tim Pool]

But it's exponentially improving, especially. So, you know, we had big news that they were. They're trying to build power lines on our property. We'll see if it happens. But I was told basically it's. It's probably not going to happen over here because too. Too much of a headache to try and go. Go over a big podcast property with power lines. Now they say in the letter they're like, this is about the needs of the community. But everybody knows it's data centers. They're trying, They've been trying to build power lines in Mount Airy, Maryland for a while because all the data centers in Northern Virginia, and they're trying to run them through West West Virginia, Maryland and Virginia as well. And it's happening in western Maryland. It is happening. They're starting construction already now. I doubt it'll happen here because when they found out that, you know, I made one phone call and they were like, oh, none of, none of these people want to deal with the headache of a high profile. One of the biggest challenges for AI and data centers is when the public becomes aware. And so the moment they realized the public was about to become very, very aware, they were like, yeah, let's not go there. But we'll see. We don't know exactly what's gonna happen.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. Is it. Is there infrastructure for them to build just in another area around here?

[Tim Pool]

The plan is there's multiple routes. And so one of the routes would go through our studio. Our studio. And they were just like, yeah, nah, we don't want to do that.

[Brett Dasovic]

We'll take the other route.

[Craig Schistemas]

All because you.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, your fault.

[Craig Schistemas]

That's awesome.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Indeed. But, but again, to like, the, the point about, you know, AI and all that stuff, it feels like we can sit here screaming and banging on the table, but it's coming anyway. So let's try and be as influential as we can for the.

[Craig Schistemas]

To.

[Tim Pool]

To the better.

[Brett Dasovic]

Are you gonna put the headband on?

[Tim Pool]

You know, I don't know. Like, the, the fear that I have, of course, is they can write weird things to your brain.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, you'll like, put the headband on and you'll, you'll think that you're playing a video game, but they're actually rewiring your politics or something.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You don't know what they can do.

[Philip Labonte]

I've been, I mean, not, I'm not, I'm not so sure that I'm gonna put the headband on, but I've been, you know, probably one of the most pro AI guys.

[Carter Banks]

I think you might put the headband on, Phil. I don't know.

[Philip Labonte]

I don't know. I don't know. But I've been one of the most pro A, you know, vocally pro A guys around. Pro AI guys around here. Right. Like, I mean, I've got a, an open claw agent that I use still regularly and it's incredibly helpful and it's worth the money in my opinion. You know, it is still a little on the expensive side, but, you know, it does make. Just doing searches for, for even basic stuff. I tend to go to the, to the agent more than I go to like, Google or whatever, because I can specifically ask for context and, and it'll even ask me questions like, hey, what do you, you know, what are you looking for specifically? And stuff like that.

[Craig Schistemas]

So we use AI frequently as well. I mean, I, I use it all the time as a utility and it's, it's to see how much it's grown and so quickly. It's not getting better by the month, it's getting better by the hour. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's insane how much it's, it's.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Music is over and books are over.

[Philip Labonte]

Well, I'm not so sure about that,

[Tim Pool]

but I, I, Yeah, it's, it's. How can you compete with someone who can make 50 songs in 10 minutes?

[Philip Labonte]

Well, I mean, like, one of the reasons why I think that it's, it's going to be at least for, for established artists now, you know, you already have a fan base, right? Like people.

[Tim Pool]

That's true too for like Metallica who can still sell stadiums but younger artists can't. Well, so what happens in 10 years?

[Philip Labonte]

I don't know. I can't. I don't know what's going to happen in 10 years. But I do think that like other, you know, other developments in the, in the entertainment and music world. Like I think that there, that it will be a tool that people use more than replacing people.

[Brett Dasovic]

You think that there's a chance that people will build like a. There. There's already like a revulsion people feel to AI thumbnails, like to certain texts and fonts that they see recycled because everyone.

[Tim Pool]

Overly textured.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, yeah. Like every time you like reprint.

[Brett Dasovic]

I did a video on AI music that was basically just going through and saying like, I think there's a point in here and I kind of asked you about this and I was trying to get your thoughts and it was like, there's some of this that's just too perfect. Like it feels to me that it's made by a fan rather than somebody who has an understanding or a desire to create music. Meaning that when, when an artist goes on like a vocal run, it's always exactly what you expect to be. And after a while it all starts to sound the same and you start to see fragments of it in other songs and the same with certain riffs and things like that. And the public will become so attuned to what they're hearing that they'll look for some of the spontaneity that comes from real artists.

[Philip Labonte]

Maybe the, the thing is like people are already, their ears have already been tuned for perfection as it is, right? Like if you, if you are an artist and you're like, yo, I don't want to play to a click. I don't want to have. I don't want to play to a click on our record and I don't want to have, you know, I don't want you to tune the vocals or whatever. People are going to hear that and they're going to say that it sounds sloppy because it's human. All of your music has like mo. The vast majority of bands, everything they do is on the grid. And whether or not the vocals get auto tuned or put it into melodyne or whatever, just about everything goes through some, some kind of tuning because it is a competitive marketplace, right? You've got every. So many people putting out music and if everybody is doing A certain technique to produce a certain sound. If you're not doing that, there's a lot of people that'll actually just skip over and be like that doesn't sound good or doesn't sound right. So I don't know that, that what you're. The. The scenario that you're describing is going to actually happen. I do think that the, the artists that actually connect with their fans are still going to be able to write music that fans care and then what

[Tim Pool]

about 10 years from now?

[Brett Dasovic]

But. But live music still matters. Like to. To an extent. Yes. People aren't selling out stadiums the way that they used to, but live music is still a huge part of the music experience.

[Philip Labonte]

That also depends on the band. Right. So like, I mean so Post Malone just is. Stopped doing his tour or whatever he's doing. Like, I think that he pulled back some shows and there's a few other artists that, that, that did that. There's. It's in the music industry. They're calling it. What is it? Something Blue Fever. Blue Fever. Anyways, on, on Ticketmaster, whatever. If the seats are available, they're blue. When they're not available, they disappear. There's a blue dot. And so yeah, Blue dot fever. So you look at the layouts and there's these artists in these. That have these tours with these seating charts and it's full of blue dots. And so they're pulling back on their tours and stuff.

[Brett Dasovic]

We're talking about the larger scale of the music industry. Like I grew up in Minnesota, so 1st Ave, 7th street entry. Like those venues were quintessential to discovering what your music taste was growing up. And that would be something that you saw in person, not something that was created.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, you can. There's a lot of.

[Brett Dasovic]

With a bunch thing with a human being tied to it. A human being has their. Whether it's their voice or even if they're, you know, if we do end up, God forbid, in a day where, you know, he's just creating the songs in Suno, but then he goes in what like a DJ and performs them at an event. There's still a human being tied to that.

[Philip Labonte]

There's still going. There's still like when you, when you produce AI music, a lot of your. A lot of your. What's it called, your. Your vocals, they're. They're kind of like amalgamations of. Of many popular singers. If you get someone with a unique voice or whatever that can stand, forget the girl's name. There's a country artist that recently did a Cover of. What is it, an Azzy Osbourne song. And she got a very distinct voice. And I think that that's going to be something that, that in the future people are going to be looking for different kinds of sing.

[Carter Banks]

Well, the, the, the.

[Tim Pool]

The question I have is whether or not there's going to be lawsuits. Because when you do AI music generation, there's two. Like, for female vocalists, there's very. There's like, there's very few notable female vocalists. So for example, when you AI generate music, if you make it pop punk, you're gonna get Hayley Williams. And if you make it hard rock, you're gonna get Amy. What's her name? Amy Lee. Yeah, it's almost every. Every single time. Evanescence.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because she dominates the charts.

[Craig Schistemas]

There is a service and maybe it's been shut down, but this is in the last couple months that you can actually reference an actual musician. We did it with Garbage and we had to create a garbage song. And it. My. You know, one of the guys on my show, Phoenix, he is a huge Garbage fan and I played it for him and he goes, that sounds exactly like Garbage in real life. I'll tell you this. You guys are talking about the, the experience, right? You can't replicate that experience. And to that I would say, do you guys know who Hatsune Miku is or what Hatsune Miko is?

[Philip Labonte]

I. I think so. And funny enough, I think our old guitar player is playing guitar for them.

[Craig Schistemas]

Okay, so Hatsune Miku is a quote unquote vocaloid AI and it's been around since 2007. And it is not a real person. It is just a. It's a thing that appears on screen. It's a bubbly Japanese girl musician and it kills. It is massive. People go to full concerts, selling out arenas to go see this show. And it's about the experience there and people are all about it, but it's not even a real thing.

[Carter Banks]

And they meet Hots and Amiku at the end of the show or.

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't know.

[Craig Schistemas]

I don't know. I mean, I mean, there's not Gorillas

[Brett Dasovic]

back in the day.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Gorillas is another good, interesting example, for sure.

[Tim Pool]

But I, I think this, this idea of live concerts exists for a generation today, but it's not going to exist for Gen Alpha.

[Craig Schistemas]

I do agree.

[Tim Pool]

Sabrina Carpenter can't she. She's like the hottest Gen Z celebrity and she's.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

She's.

[Tim Pool]

She sells stadiums.

[Brett Dasovic]

I'm sorry, Rodrigo is Olivia Rodrigo is

[Carter Banks]

maybe it'll be reduced back.

[Tim Pool]

She does for sure. But again, how do you compete with infinite content?

[Craig Schistemas]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

You need to control the mechanism by which people receive that content. So what they would have to do is on tick tock, Instagram, YouTube, it algorithmically. Algorithmically block out everybody except for their approved personality.

[Brett Dasovic]

There's also a business model behind it with the, with the human artists. That's different. They still don't have the same viability. For AI artists. When you're these record labels, you're picking the stars that you want. You sell them to the, you know, you sell their music to the, the. To the radio stations and you're basically creating a Persona for the public to support. And that's backed by a human being. As of now, that's not backed by.

[Philip Labonte]

Well, to the. To the. This conversation. Our old guitar player Jason Richardson actually has recently played with Atsun Namiko.

[Craig Schistemas]

Really?

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, he was, he was doing, he was doing the. What is the Krypton Future Media Tour. So yeah, there, there is going to be, you know, there will be AI artists that will have live performances. I mean, if you look a band like Baby metal, right? They're, they're. They're a band that's basically created by a Japanese corporation. And the, the girls are the singers and they have dudes behind them that are actually playing. And the guys are like top, top level and they wear masks. You can't see their face. They're not allowed to promote their own brand at all because the focus is on the girls that are playing. But they've rotated girls in and out because it's not really about any of the individuals. And you can do the same thing with AI or whatever, but there's going to be people that want to. That kind of stuff. So maybe it'll be different, but I don't think that it's going to be, you know, just. It all disappears. And there will be people that are going to be like, I want to go see. Even though the music, you know, was written by AI or, or what have you, I think that the AI is not going to be something that totally supplants. It's going to be something that is used to augment. It'll be a tool that gets used.

[Craig Schistemas]

Right? But to Tim's point, I do think that over the next 20 years, the generation that is growing up with this will become accustomed to it. And the idea of, of going to concerts, as we think of going to concerts, will, will certainly change. And if you think about it from a, you Know, a quote unquote, record executive perspective. With people, you have to deal with egos. You got to deal with people showing up late. You got to show. You got to deal with managers wanting an additional cut or whatever it may be. Right? Not with AI. Not with AI. You know, you don't have to deal with any of that stuff. And that means more money for, you know, the people who are generating these, these songs, even if they're inspired by a garbage or whatever, you know, it's, it's easier, it's more streamlined and, And Tim, to your point, the idea of I can literally crank out as much as I can potentially crank out as long as I have credits.

[Carter Banks]

So I'm not though, like, what's that? How much money could you make cranking out 50 AI songs? Like, I need to see like a model.

[Craig Schistemas]

Just a numbers game, I would imagine. Numbers game. It all takes is one hit. Hit, you know, one hit and you need a million people to buy it at 99 cents or whatever.

[Philip Labonte]

Oh, who. Nobody buys music anymore.

[Craig Schistemas]

But you know what I'm saying, You know, like, you know, there have been cases and, and I don't have the, the guy. The guy's name off the top of my head, but there, there has been guys in the last couple months that, that have generated AI albums and, and they've. They've charted.

[Carter Banks]

Yep.

[Craig Schistemas]

You know, so.

[Brett Dasovic]

But the, the, the current generation Gen Z and Gen Alpha is the most parasocial of any of those generations, which means they're t comings and goings of celebrities. Right. Olivia Rodrigo is as famous as she is because she also pushes her Plan B stuff and, you know, in Planned Parenthood and all those things, they care as much about the politics and the personal lives of these celebrities because they have a parasocial relationship with another person. And that's not, in my opinion, the same thing as AI. You can get invested that. Don't get me wrong, like, there are people that follow like AI artists on Instagram and stuff like that, but it doesn't have. Have the same level of investment that people have from an artist who go out, make public statements, go in virtue signal at award shows and things like that. I think there will always be a separate business model that's tied to the parasocial relationships that artists create with their fans. That's the reason why social media is so important now in acting.

[Philip Labonte]

Look, Taylor Swift isn't so popular and famous and successful just because of her music. Right? It's. There's, There is.

[Brett Dasovic]

She's created QAnon for women.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah. Well, there is an intangible that, that young women, young millennials and, and Gen Z, you know, they can relate to her. And I'm not, you know, and that's not something that you can just, you know, point that and say, that's what it is. If you could do that, then you'd be able to sell that to someone and be like, I have the, the, the plan. And anyone that said I want to do this could go ahead and, and, you know, get on your, your program. And there have been, there are plenty of people that were, that are incredible, you know, managers that, that really took artists to, to high level and stuff. But just because they were able to take artists to high level doesn't mean every single artist that they tried to work with achieved the high level. There are people that know the ins and outs, but it doesn't mean that every artist that they try, that they started developing had the intangible. So, you know, I, I do think that AI is going to be a big part of the future when it comes to, to creating music, creating art and stuff, but I don't think that it's going to totally supplant.

[Brett Dasovic]

Also, one of the ways in which record labels monetize artists is when they die. Sure, I never dies. Then, you know, I guess he can go on forever, but so can the music.

[Philip Labonte]

Well, look, I mean, KISS have said themselves that there's no reason why KISS has to stop when Gene and Paul die. Like, and to be honest with you, I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, know, Gene or Paul decide, you know what, I'm not going to do this to her. And they do a test and they put someone else in the, in the makeup and see how it goes. And if it goes well, they're going to be like, all right, well, I'm going to retire and I'm going to keep getting the checks, you know, coming to me. And, and you guys go out there

[Brett Dasovic]

and do the 50 years from now, people are like, shouldn't they be dead by now?

[Craig Schistemas]

They've been dead for 40. You know, I, I agree with what you're saying about the parasocial relationship, but here's the, here's the thing. There's only one Olivia Rodrigo, and she only has so much time in the day, right? In the future, you will see your Vocaloid, whatever AI personality that is singing the song be scalable. They'll be able to be everywhere, all the time, constantly. So if, you know, if Jimmy JoJo wants a personalized message at the same time as Lucy, Lulu, guess what? You have personalized messages from this AI vocal, whatever that can scale literally as large as it goes, right? Whereas Olivia Rodrigo, you know, can only sign so many autographs, can only have so many personalized messages, can only make so many appearances. Whereas with AI, it's infinite.

[Carter Banks]

That's kind of what makes it special

[Brett Dasovic]

though, because, yeah, it's the tangent, the tangible connection to a human being that is, it's not a quantifiable measure there.

[Craig Schistemas]

I agree for you. But the next generation, right, the one that's growing up with this and the idea that, oh my gosh, AI Vocaloid person here, you know, they said hello to me and they, they sent me a five minute message or even, even further. You talk about a parasocial relationship with these folks. Like you could actually be chatting with this person, this quote unquote person regularly, you know, as an, as a chat bot. There are chat bots right now that are like that, except they're, they're for women, for lonely guys, you know, that they have this parasocial relationship. It's all AI and telling them how hot they are or whatever. You know, this is definitely, you know, it's going to change music, AI, it's all going to change the relationship that people have.

[Philip Labonte]

I think everyone is in, around the table here is in agreement that things are going different and it's going to, going to evolve, but that also.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, a train is coming full speed.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So we, we, we, we talk quite a bit about the AI apocalypse on the show and we're always complaining about it. And I just, you know, I've been, I've been thinking about it with, you know, I, I use Claude, I use GPT, I use Grock. They're all for different things. And I'm just like, nothing stopping this development, Nothing stopping what's happening. Nothing stopping these Power Line projects. So what do we do? Do we. It's the end.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. Phil, you're the one who loves AI. What do we do?

[Philip Labonte]

I mean, honestly, people should learn how to prompt AI and learn how to use it.

[Carter Banks]

You know, I used a fair amount of B roll in a music video I just made, but you wouldn't be able to tell because it was used tastefully. And it was like clips of me that I gave and said, make this from a hidden camera somewhere or like, you know, B roll shifting. It's real pictures and real stills, you know, I mean, look, it helps me do something I can't do, you know,

[Philip Labonte]

like on our Last record, I think we spent like, on one of the videos, we spent like $20,000 on one. We spent like another one, we spent like 10. That's going to cut. The AI is going to cut the cost in half. Because instead of having, you know, having a human being generate the effects, you just pump it into AI and say, hey, this is the effect that I'm looking forward to this. And it's gonna, you know, your cost is going to go from, you know, $20,000 for a video down to, you know, $2,500, because your visual effects are going to be much cheaper. I mean, they're doing visual. They're using AI for visual effects in, in major, major films now. And there are some people that sometimes are like, oh, I can tell that was, that was AI but there, there were people that were saying, oh, I can tell that that's cgi. CGI used to be.

[Carter Banks]

They used to be the old AI, you know.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, you know, it's like, oh, there was a. The CGI. I can tell when it's CGI. I can tell when it'S CGI. Now people don't even think about that. Like, I mean, at least half of Avengers Endgame, like the whole, like, almost like the whole third act was all green screen and computer generated and nobody,

[Brett Dasovic]

you know, well, it's the light boards now, which are like, like built stages with actual, like LED screens that have the background there to make it more immersive for the actors.

[Craig Schistemas]

I mean, have you seen the new Moana? The quote unquote, live action Moana? It's just, it's, it's. I mean, I, I've only seen clips of it online, but it's essentially the rock and the other actors standing in front of it's. It's. There's nothing live action about it. 0 live action in the live action remake. It's. It's amazing. Just a dull draft version of the colorful animated one. It's.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, it's well bomb, didn't it?

[Craig Schistemas]

It's on its way to bombing pretty hard. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All these movies are bombing.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Spend $20 making some weird independent film and you'll make $100 million. Do a stupid big budget garbage. Nobody wants to watch you just lose all your money.

[Craig Schistemas]

We're seeing this across entertainment and every industry, whether it's movies, games, whatever. The budgets have have gone up to a point to where it's impossible to make the money back. I mean, I've always said if somebody gave me $100 million, I would I would make 25 million dollar video games instead of one $100 million video game because, you know, it allows for with smaller teams. That's the thing that teams have gotten so big and you know, the thing about CGI that, that I truly like, just cannot wrap my head around when it comes to movies and entertainment is I thought the idea of CGI was, was that it was supposed to be cheaper than practical effects. But the budgets for all these movies just go up so high.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's because the, the movies went cosmic in a lot of ways. So superhero stories used to take place largely and like that was the joke. Right. They take a cosmic character and somehow find a reason for them to be on Earth.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Where they don't have to do that. Now they actually do put them in space, which is one of the reasons they're complaining about Lanterns. It looks like the whole thing takes place in on Earth. We're like, why? I want to see, you know, the Lantern Corps out in outer space.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, you're never gonna do a Fantastic Four movie. That makes sense. It's just, it's four characters. It's, it's, it's hard to make a hero's journey.

[Philip Labonte]

They're trying that with Franklin, I think. Franklin Turtle? No, Franklin Richards, the child of Reed and Sue Richards.

[Tim Pool]

Now they're just regurgitating the mcu. Apparently Doomsday is going to be Infinity War again. It's supposed to be like basically the

[Brett Dasovic]

same story trailer on July 25th.

[Philip Labonte]

25th. Well, they're doing that. Right. So they can run it before Spider Man. Right.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's San Diego Comic Con.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah. But I mean they're releasing it and it'll probably run on spike because I'm probably actually gonna go to the theater to see Spider Man.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

Okay.

[Brett Dasovic]

So Spider Man's gonna make a crap ton of money.

[Philip Labonte]

It looks good to me.

[Tim Pool]

Oh yeah. I think apparently already pre sales are breaking records.

[Brett Dasovic]

200. It's like 230 million dollar domestic opening. Supposedly in that range.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

Wish.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Right.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, even the Odyssey would wish for that was she's like a hundred to. I mean conservatively like last week. 80 to $100 million.

[Philip Labonte]

Supergirl definitely wishes.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yep.

[Philip Labonte]

James Gunn is like, yeah, no, all

[Tim Pool]

you got to do is get some weird concept. That's interesting. Spend a hundred thousand dollars making your weird concept movie. Like a guy finds. Here's an idea for a movie. A guy finds a painting of a black hole. Just like literally a black hole and it's like sealed with glass and he's a Janitor or something. He's like, oh, we got it. We got to move this. Or he's like a, you know, whatever. He works in a museum. And when he takes it out of the case to prepare to move, he places it down and spills his coffee. But the coffee falls in the hole.

[Carter Banks]

Falls in the hole.

[Tim Pool]

And then he reaches his hand and his hand goes through the hole. And then he can put the hole on things.

[Craig Schistemas]

There you go, Portal.

[Brett Dasovic]

Unfortunately, that gets turned into like a boring eight episode TV show now. And every episode's like an hour and a half long.

[Tim Pool]

Now, there was a post that I agree with. It was like, if in the 90s, they made a show called Surfing Dracula, every episode would be about some zany adventure where Dracula is surfing. But now with like, Netflix, it's 10 episodes with some, like, circuitous backstory.

[Brett Dasovic]

How he got the surfboard.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then finally at the end, he surfs for like two minutes. Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, that's. I mean, that. That was the. That was the trope for a lot of the origin stories as well. Right? You always know in the first movie you're not going to get the actual character until, like, the very end.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's why when they did the new Spider man, they were like, no more origin stories. Yeah, like, we're done.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, I want them. They need to get back to the origin stories because they've forgotten to actually tell good stories. And they're actually introducing a bunch of characters nobody cares about. They're like, we're gonna do a note. We've got a Marvel Nova movie in development. Like, if you can't get X Men out first, I don't know what you want me to tell you, because normies aren't gonna go see Nova.

[Tim Pool]

You know, the issue with also with MCU is that every movie became Avengers. Like, after a certain point, they're like, just everything's Avengers now. Like, multiverse of madness. They're like, yeah, it's Avengers. I was like, Dr. Strange was an awesome movie. I love that movie.

[Brett Dasovic]

Movie.

[Tim Pool]

And then instead of doing a part two with the same characters, stop crossing everything over.

[Brett Dasovic]

I don't need to see every actor in every movie.

[Philip Labonte]

Well, I mean, I. I understand what you're saying, but, like, that was there. I think part of the reason why they're doing that is because when it came to, you know, team ups, like the Avengers or team movies like the Avengers or X Men stuff, you did see a lot of crossover in the comic books, you know, a lot. Like, that's why they're, you know, they're doing secret wars after Doomsday and that's, that covered the entire, you know, the entire Marvel universe. Basically the same thing. Same thing with like, you know, the Apocalypse saga and, and all the stuff with Mr. Sinister for the X Men. All that stuff was, was across all of the X Men books. And it was, it was a big deal.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, the, the Doomsday trailer notwithstanding, maybe they release a really, really good trailer and it gets a lot of people on their side. The fact that it's a winter release. I still think Spider Man's gonna make more money.

[Philip Labonte]

Well, this, if it does, it's, it's, it's going to be really, really bad. I was just listening to something about the, the Doomsday movie and they were saying that, that, that the Russo brothers thought that they had everything they needed when they were actually doing principal photography. And then when they get into the editing house, they're like, oh boy, there's.

[Brett Dasovic]

Cuz they don't actually plan their movies ahead of time.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they were going to do Kang Dynasty and then that got cancelled. So they were like, let's just hodge podge a bunch of scenes together. And apparently they were writing the movie as they filmed it.

[Brett Dasovic]

They've been doing that since Phase Two. Basically, that's, that's a huge problem. Like they made a big deal about it. Like when James Gun's like, I like to have my script done before we begin shooting.

[Philip Labonte]

They're like, how'd that work out?

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, I mean, but it has worked out for him in the past, like notwithstanding. And Supergirl wasn't his movie. Supergirl was written by somebody else.

[Philip Labonte]

Oh yeah, it was.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, he has, he had his own influence on it. And there was a lot of stuff in the story about, you know, him being involved in the editing process and all that.

[Philip Labonte]

James gonna do the most recent Superman? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Well, I, I assume that.

[Tim Pool]

Which I liked, but was very. It's the right word. Cluttered.

[Brett Dasovic]

His Suicide Squad movie was better than his Superman movie.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the Suicide Squad was C plus. I mean, the first Suicide Squad was miserably bad. What's wrong with these people that can't make D.C. work?

[Philip Labonte]

I don't know. I mean, I. Listen, I thought that the man. I thought man of Steel was good. I thought that dawn of justice, or was it dawn of justice was the.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yes.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, I thought that was good. The, the Justice League movie left a little bit to be.

[Brett Dasovic]

I rewatched Shazam recently. Shazam Is everything that Phase Four. Marvel wanted to be as far as tone in. In hitting the family elements and all of the, the humor and the way that that movie was presented, that was everything that they wanted like Ms. Marvel to be when they got going in phase four. If you guys haven't re. Watched the. The 2019 Shazam movie, you should. Zachary Levi. He's been on the show.

[Tim Pool]

It's fantastic. I love that movie.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Second one was kind of meh, but not.

[Brett Dasovic]

Not horrible. But fine.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

But the. But the first one's legitimately good. Oh, the best part was when I was rewatching it. I hadn't watched it since it came out. I was like, this kid looks just like Adam Brody. Oh, it's cuz Adam Brody plays superhero version of Freddy. At the end of the movie, I was like, he's literally the most perfect casting I've ever seen in my entire. Just like young Adam Brody.

[Craig Schistemas]

You know where the MCU lost me? Blue Beetle. Like whenever they. Well, whenever, whenever they started introducing. I guess the larger point is whenever they started introducing the non mainstream characters, right? Like I, I just. As a, as a normie, right?

[Carter Banks]

Who.

[Craig Schistemas]

Who goes and brings my kids to the theaters, right? I care about Wolverine. I care about, you know, like go down the, the who's who. And then when you start throwing down your, your B and C tier characters,

[Tim Pool]

I'm like, you guys, you guys want to play a game?

[Brett Dasovic]

Name.

[Tim Pool]

I love this one. Name a black superhero whose name doesn't include the word black or have electricity powers. I mean, I can do it because I'm a comic book guy, but it's funny because the average person can't do it.

[Brett Dasovic]

Does Falcon have those powers?

[Tim Pool]

So Falcon is. It counts. But some people try to argue that because he's got robotics. I'm like, no, no, no. Falcon counts. He's just a guy.

[Brett Dasovic]

He's like. So because like, robotics have electricity in it. That's just cheap.

[Tim Pool]

Some people have tried claiming both.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

There's a.

[Craig Schistemas]

Look.

[Tim Pool]

They're still robot.

[Carter Banks]

No.

[Brett Dasovic]

Plus you could say he's Captain America too. So there you go. He's Captain America. And Falcon. See, I need.

[Tim Pool]

It's funny because most of the known superheroes that are black are either black something, black lightning, black lightning, or they have electricity powers. Miles Morales, you know, he's electricity powers.

[Philip Labonte]

Does he really?

[Tim Pool]

He can electrocute you.

[Philip Labonte]

I didn't know.

[Tim Pool]

Why did they do that?

[Philip Labonte]

Why does Spider man have electricity powers?

[Tim Pool]

Because there are spiders that can. That can shock you.

[Philip Labonte]

Oh, okay.

[Tim Pool]

So they were like, we're going to, you know, give the black kid some electricity powers. For some reason, it's like, all right, Blade. Yeah, Blade counts. That's a good one.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah. Yeah. Wesley Snips, man, that was great.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah. I can't think of any other. Any others.

[Carter Banks]

What is the. You know, it's not Black Spider man, but there's like a black Miles Morales. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's got electricity powers.

[Carter Banks]

Okay.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, that's hilarious.

[Tim Pool]

People are saying static shock. Now he's electricity powers. Come on.

[Brett Dasovic]

Literally shock.

[Tim Pool]

Spawn. Jon Stewart, the Green Lantern, started re

[Brett Dasovic]

watching the Spawn animated series recently. It's so messed up. It's amazing. Everybody should watch it.

[Tim Pool]

Mr. Terrific, what do you mean by so he's awesome? He's one of my favorite characters.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, it's. It's dark noir, like, in a way where it's.

[Tim Pool]

It's not like, man, oh, man, who's the deer man?

[Philip Labonte]

That was just in the Superman movie.

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, that's Mr.

[Tim Pool]

Trifle.

[Brett Dasovic]

Terrific.

[Philip Labonte]

Mr. Terrific. Okay.

[Brett Dasovic]

Mr. Mr. Terrific is awesome.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Mr. Terrific.

[Philip Labonte]

I'd never.

[Tim Pool]

He's basically just Batman. It's like there's 87 characters that are just basically Batman. It's like he's a rich guy who built technology.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, that's the. That's their shortcut, is to explain why he's got all the technology and the free time to do what he's doing.

[Tim Pool]

Because in the free time, because if

[Brett Dasovic]

he's got to go to a job, it's like super. Like that's. That's like half of what they have to sell Superman on. Right. Like, Superman's stories aren't always inherently interesting because he. He's so op that you can't do anything about him, so you have to threaten Lois and. And maybe he's going to get fired if he doesn't get his story done in time. Same with Spider Man. You know, he's got to go out and take photos of himself.

[Philip Labonte]

He's going to get fired if he doesn't get it done.

[Craig Schistemas]

It's funny. We. Long, long time ago, there's a Show on. On YouTube called Death Battle. And it's a show where you have two pop culture icons and they score off and they end up fighting. Right, Right. It was a show that started on a brand I started a long time ago, and it's. It's still going almost 20 years later. But the issue that the guys behind it always had was Superman was so strong that he literally couldn't lose. He was boring.

[Brett Dasovic]

Did they do the video about deathstroke versus Deadpool.

[Craig Schistemas]

I'm positive. Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. I love that video.

[Tim Pool]

Which basically was a clone.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. So that's why they did it, because they're like. They basically. Deadpool ends up mogging him, and Deathstroke's still a better character there.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah, but Superman. I think they did Superman vers Goku three separate times. And every single time, Superman would win.

[Philip Labonte]

I mean, that's what.

[Tim Pool]

Superman can't beat Goku.

[Craig Schistemas]

That's what makes it work, I guess. Right?

[Philip Labonte]

He's invincible. Like the. The. The. The word invincible has a meaning, right? He cannot be hurt, you know, so it. It's not a question of power level. It's just like no matter what you do, you can't hurt him, you know?

[Tim Pool]

Let's just be real. Goku can blow up planets. Superman can't do that. That's silly.

[Craig Schistemas]

I don't make the rules. I. I wasn't a part of the show. All I know is that they did it three times. And. And your explanation is why that show is so viral and successful? Because people go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

It's like if you're looking for an answer to a question, don't ask on the Internet. Don't ask the question. Post the wrong. Post the wrong answer and you'll get all the right responses.

[Craig Schistemas]

Right?

[Philip Labonte]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

It's funny because you look at these, like back when Yahoo. Answers used to be a thing, or Quora, you'd have all these questions that never get answered. But then all you got to do is post the question, log in, post the wrong answer, and then people. Welcome to the Internet, boys.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, who in their right mind thinks Superman can beat Goku? Ultra Instinct. Is that a joke? Come on.

[Philip Labonte]

I don't even know.

[Tim Pool]

Vegeta blew up a planet when his power level was like 13,000. Are you kidding? His power level is like 78 billion at this point.

[Craig Schistemas]

Everything you're saying, right?

[Tim Pool]

That was a long time ago. And actually the original number was 7,000, but when it translated, they said 9,000.

[Craig Schistemas]

Okay, everything you're saying is why the comment sections blow up in those videos

[Tim Pool]

and why there's intentionally be wrong make a video. It's like, here's why Batman would lose to every super villain ever.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah, they done.

[Tim Pool]

And they'll be like, no, Batman wins.

[Philip Labonte]

That's actually a really good idea. Just make. Make a. That does superheroes. And you, the obvious loser wins.

[Craig Schistemas]

They've made a very successful career out of it, I'll tell you that. Much. It's a, it's. I actually had an idea of using AI to create like, settle Internet beefs online and do that, do the exact same thing. You get your, you know, your Hassan piker versus Kaya or whatever and have them fight, you know, the dog. Right, right, right, right. Just to have them fight against each other so you win.

[Tim Pool]

And Hassan, basically, you know what he, he, you know what he does when he powers up? He gets struck by lightning like, like Shazam. Or Raiden. And then it puts on his communist outfit, which is like, it's like the Gucci necklace and all the super nice clothes.

[Brett Dasovic]

No, he's got the, he powers up with like, the dog zapper that he's got.

[Tim Pool]

He clicks the button and it shocks him, and then he's dressed like Raiden.

[Craig Schistemas]

Culturally appropriate.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly, because racist too. You know, know, get it, get it all in there.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Philip Labonte]

I, I, I don't know why people even say that, that Superman is, is unable to be defeated when, you know,

[Tim Pool]

he's, he's beaten all the time. Lex Luthor's a guy, and he figures out how to beat him. Not to mention, you got Metallo, only with whose heart is kryptonite. Come on.

[Philip Labonte]

His heart is.

[Tim Pool]

Goku's whole thing is that he's too powerful. And he always finds a way to power up, up. And it's like at this point, he's transformed 73 times. It's like none of it even makes sense anymore. It's like he's got Ultra Instinct. What is that? He just knows how to fight perfectly.

[Philip Labonte]

Okay, Ultra Instinct.

[Carter Banks]

That's what it's called?

[Amy Coney Barrett]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Philip Labonte]

So it's just the, the King of Op then. I don't, I didn't never watch Dragon Ball Z or.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Dragon Ball super introduces Ultra Instinct. So they're just like, constantly finding ways to be like, he's stronger now.

[Brett Dasovic]

When they did, when Zachary Levi did the show, Chuck, that's what happened when he had the, the Intersect in, like, put in his brain.

[Philip Labonte]

Where?

[Brett Dasovic]

In the, in the first iteration show. It just all the government secrets were, like, put into his brain. First of all, why would you ever do that? Why would you ever put all the government secret in one brain? Which sounds insane.

[Tim Pool]

Wasn't it like an accident? Like.

[Brett Dasovic]

No, well, no, it was sent to him by, by somebody that he knew. And then he, he, he did it by accident. But it was actually supposed to be used, just not on him. But then in the second iteration of the Intersect, it actually can, like, download skills into your brain.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

The show just never did anything with it.

[Philip Labonte]

They just.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's just kung fu all the time. It's like, that's just boring. Like, because, like, you want to actually, actually see somebody learn kung fu. It'd be cooler if it's like, he has to learn botany at some point because he's got to, like, develop a remedy.

[Philip Labonte]

And you could do cool montages.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the MacGyver stuff. Because, like, MacGyver was too heavy with it.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's like every episode he figures out how to turn a toothpick into, like, a gun.

[Brett Dasovic]

I love that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I know, but like, once or twice. You know what I mean? And then they were like, just the original MacGyver, it's fine. But the remake, it's like, oh, the remake.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like, I. I'm. I'm the lone apologist in the world for all of the horrible CBS remakes of classic shows. I. I love them.

[Craig Schistemas]

And are you the reason Quantum Leap got a remake?

[Brett Dasovic]

I didn't watch that. I am, but I didn't watch it. But yes.

[Philip Labonte]

I didn't even know There was a MacGyver remix.

[Carter Banks]

Have you seen MacGruber? Yes.

[Craig Schistemas]

The Great. The greatest version of MacGyver ever. Yes. And walking around with a celery up his ass.

[Carter Banks]

Yes.

[Craig Schistemas]

MacGruber is the best.

[Tim Pool]

I'm looking for one. All right, we're gonna go to. We're gonna go to your Rumble rant Super chat. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone in your life.

[Carter Banks]

Life.

[Tim Pool]

Call your grandma right now and say, grandma, I miss you. And you should watch Tim Cast IRL and join us for the uncensored portion coming up at rumble on rumble.com timcast IRL. All right, let's go. Hawk says in a. I'm a few days late by reporting to the Tim cast crew. My wife had our first child this past weekend. Seven weeks early, but baby is strong and healthy.

[Philip Labonte]

Congratulations. Awesome. Great to hear.

[Tim Pool]

Grim Reefer says Mahang Cragothy and Tim cast crew. This rant goes to Xenosaga Up. Anyway, here's Nashville.

[Craig Schistemas]

That's good. That's a wonderful deep cuts. Thank you very much. Mahong to you, normal man.

[Tim Pool]

Tuna fish says here in PA you don't need an address to register to vote. You literally can draw a map of an intersection. My 9 year old loves to watch with me. She. She wants to know why you wear the same shirt every day. I take it off, I put it on the chair, I leave, I come back, I put it on. I do the show. That's how it goes. That's it.

[Philip Labonte]

It's cool in here. Yeah. Because we. We keep the air conditioning quite low because of all.

[Tim Pool]

If the. If the AC is turned off, all of the lights and everything overheats the room so it's just on all the time. And, you know, we keep it cool.

[Craig Schistemas]

I will say this. I am freezing right now.

[Philip Labonte]

You're sitting right.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. You're in the worst. You're in the place.

[Craig Schistemas]

Right on my back.

[Carter Banks]

In the beginning of the show, we

[Tim Pool]

got a couple of racist jokes that I can't read until the uncensored portion, but we will.

[Philip Labonte]

Uncensored it is.

[Craig Schistemas]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

Commies are not people says we need to go into these cities like Portland, Minneapolis and due to those cities, what they did to Fallujah and Houston city. Oh, wow. I completely disagree.

[Philip Labonte]

Very aggressive.

[Tim Pool]

I would just like, you know, like Trump to send law enforcement to arrest criminals. Yeah, well, I got friends in Portland. You know what I mean? We don't need none of that. We just need actual law enforcement.

[Philip Labonte]

Just let the police do police things. We don't. Yeah, we don't need those marine things.

[Tim Pool]

Chinese communist authority in the U. S. Is not. This is from LG Bales. The immediate threat. The immediate threat is the Islamic takeover of our government.

[Philip Labonte]

Government?

[Craig Schistemas]

Is that.

[Tim Pool]

Is that a thing?

[Philip Labonte]

There are people that are making that argument.

[Brett Dasovic]

Meaning in local jurisdictions.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah. So, you know, there.

[Brett Dasovic]

There are Dearborn.

[Philip Labonte]

Dearborn. There's some. Some talk about people in Texas that are concerned.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Wasn't it like Indiana's building a bunch of mosques despite not having a Muslim population?

[Philip Labonte]

Same thing in Texas.

[Craig Schistemas]

Texas, yes, very much so. I live outside of Dallas and it is very much a thing. You go to Costco on a Sunday, my, oh, my. There's scent of curry. And that's not enough. It's not hyperbole at all. I mean, I'm being dead serious when I say that. There's a curry, though. Me too. But it's. Listen, it is a. If someone was to use the word invasion, I would not disagree. It has changed drastically in the last 10 to 15 years.

[Tim Pool]

That's licking lichen. Is that.

[Carter Banks]

What is it?

[Tim Pool]

I've seen sword art online. I'll pass on the reading and writing of my brain. Do you guys know sword art online?

[Philip Labonte]

No, it's.

[Tim Pool]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but people are playing a video game where you can, like, plug your brain in and then the own. Like the. The coder of the game shuts off the exit, so everyone gets trapped inside. Oh, and you're stuck in some virtual reality or something.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

And then he, like, does bad things to you.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah, that's why I'm not putting on the helmet there, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's the thing. That's. That's the risk, you know.

[Philip Labonte]

Danger, Will Robinson.

[Tim Pool]

Joey Giggle says there's a black mirror episode. They use a sensor and put you in the game. You can feel everything. Long story short, two friends bang each other. If incels get this, it'll be sex all the time with bros. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's. It's. It's two. Two like college homies play, and then one guy chooses the female character and the guy chooses the a dude character, and then they just start banging. And then they try. They try hooking up in real life and they're like, no, it doesn't work.

[Brett Dasovic]

I'm not gay.

[Tim Pool]

Like, let's go back in the game.

[Craig Schistemas]

God, is it gay gay if your buddy is a vtuber avatar and you're banging in your crazy virtual world?

[Philip Labonte]

Yes, yes. Just. This is. This is actually settled Internet while it's gay.

[Craig Schistemas]

Oh, no, I. I agree.

[Tim Pool]

And then it ends with, like, they haven't. He has an open marriage with his wife and she takes a ring off and like, bangs a random guy while he bangs his dude friend in a girl body movie. Yeah. And then like, yeah, it's black mirror.

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

And then in it, the dude is like. He's like, I've tried. I've tried hooking up with tons of people and he like, banged a panda or something. It doesn't work. I got to be with you, man.

[Carter Banks]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

He's like, but I'm a guy. And he's like, but not in the game.

[Philip Labonte]

You know, it's gay.

[Tim Pool]

Very weird. It indeed. Literally, it's gay. Mason says in 10 years, Democrats will be calling AI space voting calling AI space voting polls a human right.

[Philip Labonte]

What Was that?

[Tim Pool]

In 10 years, Democrats will be calling AI space voting polls.

[Philip Labonte]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

A human right.

[Philip Labonte]

Well, I mean, look, there are crazy people that are talking about give that. That believe that AI are already sentient and they should. They should have rights. I think that is absolutely insane. They are just machines still. So. All right.

[Tim Pool]

Force Name chain says. I just want to say AI music is wonderful. There are so many cover versions of songs I love done in styles I didn't know I wanted until I heard them. And they're all over YouTube. It's crazy. You can get like doo wop versions of Lincoln Park.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah. I mean, and those songs were written by people Initially though, like the genre of music that your, your, you know, your song is in is like, that's like the spices or, or like, you know, but like the actual music itself, the song is good. You can have an R B song or a country song. In fact, that happens all the time. R B artists and country artists will perform the same song because, because the song itself is good. So you can just go ahead and add whichever flavor you like, which is, I mean we have a gold record for doing a cover of the Thunder Rolls because the song's a good song.

[Carter Banks]

You know, look at our last night. You know, the band, they made a whole career off of covering different songs that were pop in their middle.

[Craig Schistemas]

So when you think about, when it comes to like AI generation of songs, the idea that like this is it, like let's just say 2026 is the end of the input of, of new. You know, you say the 80s had a distinct sound, the 90s had a distinct sound. You know, whether it's 80s, R B or rap had a distinct sound versus 90s. So there's all these different like genres and sub genres. And let's just say hypothetically, if this is the direction we're going, it all stops. So you have to, you know, there's, there will be no growth or advancement at all in music at any point moving forward because this, that's just going to pull from everything from this point point behind, you know.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Quantum Strange Quirk says if ACB wasn't affected by the threats then she wouldn't have even mentioned the story about a child commenting on the bulletproof vest. Correct? Yeah, she's, she's compromised and she should resign. It's not going to happen though because I think it's because people are just, it's ego. She's a Supreme Court justice. She can't leave but she'll, she'll equivocate and justify and compromise.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, to get to that level in your life, right, you had to have been on the fast track your entire life. People like that, they're the ones who had five year plans when they were in their was starting college and then they had a 10 year plan. Like you don't get there by accident.

[Philip Labonte]

No, no.

[Tim Pool]

All right, John. Kristen says good suggestion is a friend of Phoenix Ammo, Green Beret sniper Gary Melton of Paramount Tactical. He is also local to the studio area. Oh yeah. Do you guys know who that is?

[Philip Labonte]

I don't know him though.

[Tim Pool]

All right, what do we have here? Someone had a baby. RJ McIntyre Jr says to keep with tradition, my wife and I just got home from the hospital with our new daughter.

[Craig Schistemas]

Let's go.

[Philip Labonte]

Congratulations.

[Tim Pool]

Here's an important one from Zimmeru. In the upcoming DB super arc, one of the most powerful beings in the universe breaks his hand punching Goku's chest. Back to the Future. Wait, wrong show.

[Craig Schistemas]

Oh, sorry. Yeah, that's a reference for our show. We had a big battle for the. It culminated today with the greatest movie franchise in history. And it came down to. Well, the final three were Lord of the Rings, Star wars, and Back to the Future and Back. The Future beat Star Wars. So the finals was Lord of the Rings versus Back to the Future. Lord of the Rings blew it out and ended up winning, which set up a final showdown tomorrow of Lord of the Rings versus airbuds.

[Philip Labonte]

I'm going. My money's on air, bud.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah, me too. I hope so. That'd be great.

[Philip Labonte]

Just for the comments,

[Tim Pool]

Reese Kane says ACB failed to know that when you're mentioned when you're nominated for scotus, you have to be ready to throw down with murderous intent.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, look, it's. I saw someone posting about this earlier. The. The attitude that Justice Thomas had when he was in his hearings, you know, Joe Biden and. And the Democrats were re. You know, there's the whole alleged scandal and stuff. And he was like, you know, I would rather die than withdraw. You know, and. And to have that kind of. That kind of intestinal fortitude, you know, you should have that kind of commitment if you're a. A Supreme Court justice. And clearly Amy Coney Barrett does not have that.

[Tim Pool]

That indeed. Joe the Chainsaw says hello. Tim cast crew and honorary Tim cast tradition. Me and my wife recently got home with our newborn baby.

[Philip Labonte]

Hey, everyone, please welcome our little boy, Joseph Jacob tonight.

[Tim Pool]

Thanks for saying hi to his grandpa in Fairbanks at Pike's Landing. Well, shout out. Congratulations. We got so many babies today.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah.

[Philip Labonte]

Good news, man.

[Tim Pool]

So many babies news.

[Craig Schistemas]

Who was your guest nine months ago? Just curious, because it's all lining up, up.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Let's see. Kalador says, Tim, you're wrong about CNN because the rest of the world pays attention to it. That matters. Because if it is disrupted, then you disrupted the whole stranglehold. That's CNN International. Which is it? You are right, but it is different from the CNN we watch here. CNN International is a lot of, like, nature documentaries and stuff like that, you

[Carter Banks]

know,

[Tim Pool]

Mr. Anderson says Brett looks thinner than I remember. I have nothing more to add to the discussion.

[Brett Dasovic]

Thank you.

[Philip Labonte]

I think bread is thin.

[Craig Schistemas]

That's a good compliment, man. Looking great. Said it before the show.

[Philip Labonte]

Especially considering the fact you gave up sugar for it, so. Or most sugar.

[Craig Schistemas]

Can you do like 20 push ups first right now? Just.

[Brett Dasovic]

Just because I could.

[Craig Schistemas]

I know you could. Yeah, right.

[Tim Pool]

Losing weight doesn't mean that you've worked on your upper body.

[Craig Schistemas]

That's true. Yeah, that's true.

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah. Left.

[Craig Schistemas]

He looks like he's worked on his upper body. You know, he's a good looking guy.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Paul Diver says we've all heard the dead Internet theory. What about the zombie AI where it all cannibalizes by absorbing derivative data of each other?

[Philip Labonte]

Yeah, that's. I mean, that's a thing. If I. If I understand correctly, they're concerned about, you know, AI actually becoming, you know, like Xerox. You know, the more copies the. The more it. It references things that are errors from AI, the more errors that it would produce.

[Brett Dasovic]

That was one of the. The theories given. So one of my favorite shows of all time is Person of Interest, which is about dueling AIs in the later two seasons. And I always thought, I guess mild spoiler alert about the way that they deal with it at the end involves a computer virus. And I said I felt like that was. The last season was rushed. It felt like there could have been a more elegant way of. Of doing things to finish the show. And so I asked AI how would you solve this problem of the two warring AIs? And that's actually one of the solutions that it gave us. Like it can't be a computer virus. It has to be something else. That's actually one of the. The suggestions that the AI gave me on how to stop an AI Eye.

[Philip Labonte]

Just errors.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Philip Labonte]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, another baby. Tony Mahalo says please help me welcome our fourth child to the world. Born 76 for 1776, of course. Appreciate you all and the hard work. Relocating to Winchester and hoping to check out the new coffee shop. God bless. Congratulations, babies.

[Craig Schistemas]

Go babies for days.

[Philip Labonte]

Congratulations.

[Tim Pool]

All right, all right. What do we have here? Dragon Ball Super. What does it say?

[Craig Schistemas]

Duh.

[Tim Pool]

Underdog. Underdog. Goku stopped Vegeta's Planetary blast. Pre Super Saiyan 1 Goku from Dragon Ball is waxing Superman.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So for those that don't know. No, I don't know. Goku from Dragon Ball probably wouldn't beat Superman. But in the beginning of dbz, when they introduce Vegeta. So first it's. What is it? Is it Radek? What's his name?

[Amy Coney Barrett]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

And that's been. It's been 30 years, man. So Vegeta is shown. Vegeta Napa are shown coming to Earth and to like, show you the scale of their power. They. He points his finger and blows a planet up. And they're like, oh, this is the biggest threat Goku's ever faced. And then when he's fighting, Vegeta's like, I'll just blow up your whole plan. And then fires an energy blast. And then Goku stops. Stops it. Superman can't get anywhere close to that.

[Brett Dasovic]

Batman will figure it out. I just rewatched Justice League Doom. It's the one where Vandal Savage gets his hands on a list of all the ways to defeat the Justice League members that Batman keeps.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And then they're like, why did you have these at Batman's life?

[Brett Dasovic]

Are you insane? Like, of course I like. And then the best part is at the end, he won't apologize. They're like. They're like all. They're all like, butt hurt. They're like, why would you do that? He's like, you guys are like, you could destroy the planet. Are you insane? Like, I'm not apologizing for that.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

All right, what do we got here? What is this? Richard Slammer says, Craig, I am begging you. Hook up. Tim cast crew with Kersh.

[Craig Schistemas]

Kersha Kea. She's a Vtuber super based. If you ever want to know anything about bridge. She. Bridge. Yes. DEI Exponentially worse. It's what DEI has been rebranded to all the corporations.

[Brett Dasovic]

How the. All the corporations got out of di requirements. They shifted it to bridge.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yes. Kirsha is a she. She cannot be in the studio with you, unfortunately. So. But she is spectacular.

[Carter Banks]

So.

[Tim Pool]

AI.

[Craig Schistemas]

She's Vtuber. She's based vtuber.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

Yeah.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah, she's great.

[Tim Pool]

So what does that. What does that mean? It's like a person that uses a

[Craig Schistemas]

fake uses an avatar. Yeah, he's in an avatar that she just. She streams with. And you know, there was a period

[Tim Pool]

where the top 10 super chatted shows were all VTubers except for us. We were like number six right in the middle for some reason. And then I found out because someone posted like all of the top super chatted shows are anime waifus, except for Tim Cast irl. And I was like, what? It was like a non political thing that was pointing it out.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I was like, wow, that's weird.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah, she's. It's true. Vtuber fans are spectacular. They are very faithful Kirsha is probably a leading voice when it comes to the pushback on DEI Bridge, all that stuff. She is.

[Tim Pool]

So if I just, just stop doing my morning show and then just use like a filter to be some like big titty to anime waifu, I probably get way more views.

[Craig Schistemas]

You would make so much money. It's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

It'd be like, she's so hot.

[Philip Labonte]

I follow Kir.

[Tim Pool]

A guy.

[Philip Labonte]

She follows me too.

[Craig Schistemas]

Curious is great. Let me know.

[Tim Pool]

Have you guys ever seen surrogates?

[Philip Labonte]

No.

[Tim Pool]

You haven't seen surrogates? Feel like I have Bruce Willis and it's like in the future, everybody stays at home and they go into a pod that allows them to remote control a robot body. You never seen it?

[Craig Schistemas]

No.

[Tim Pool]

So there's like a guy and a woman are making out outside of a bar. Someone pulls up on a motorcycle and blasts them with this crazy device which fries the robot's brains. And so the police are like, that's vandalism. Someone destroyed a couple of surrogates because the point of surrogates to keep you safe. So they're like, it's this blonde woman. We're gonna go to her house. And they go to her house. But it's actually like a 400 pound morbidly obese man.

[Craig Schistemas]

Right, right, right.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's the future. You know, the funny thing is though, in like VR, it's not going to be that. It's not going to be that. It's not going to be a 400 pound man who's a young blonde woman. You're in the VR, it's going to be a carrot.

[Philip Labonte]

A what?

[Tim Pool]

A carrot. There is going to be a carrot with gigantic knockers walking around with big googly eyes and gigantic knockers. And you're going to be like, hey. And it's going to, you know, make sexy voice, but it's actually going to be like a 400 pound guy.

[Craig Schistemas]

What is the ultimate attribute that will be added to all AI men pretending to be women online to make money? Is it boobs? Is it butt? I mean, what?

[Tim Pool]

Well, the best part is like, only fans is over.

[Craig Schistemas]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

These young women are gonna be like, I'm gonna do porn. It's like, yeah, nice try, dude. Yeah, it's just gonna be dudes using AI, like sexting dudes.

[Craig Schistemas]

The amount of Indian dudes who have made a killing on making AI versions of only fans is insane. Pain.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy.

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah. By the way, to answer your question, answer my question. About who was on the show nine months ago. It was Jack Posobec. So. So that's why so many babies are being born.

[Philip Labonte]

So nine months to the job, Jack, he would actually. He would actually be proud of that. Helping to, you know, helping said, I

[Tim Pool]

want you to go to your wife right now and I want you to impregnate her.

[Philip Labonte]

Abe was right.

[Tim Pool]

Then nine months later, there was just a ton of babies.

[Craig Schistemas]

Poor babies. Let's go.

[Tim Pool]

Too many. So many babies.

[Craig Schistemas]

More Americans, you know?

[Tim Pool]

You know what I think? I think the entire economy is predicated upon having kids. And I think that's like an obvious statement. But what I mean is, dudes go to work because they have to, and if they don't have to, they don't go to work. So when you have luxury combined with no kids, the dudes are like, I'm just gonna play gta. I don't care. So there's no reason to go out and do things. So what happens is you have dudes who normally would be like, I have to get the food, I have to buy the toys. And so the economy kept churning because everybody had to work. Now dudes are just like, eh, just

[Brett Dasovic]

gonna sit at home, make just enough to get by. And.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah. And so economics, there's a massive downswing because nobody has to work.

[Amy Coney Barrett]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They've gotta get the bare minimum or they just live with their parents. All right, everybody, we're gonna the uncensored portion of the [e-mail] Timcast IRL. So smash the like button, share the show, tell your friends about it if you do like it. Leave us a good review on the podcast platform. Subscribe all that good stuff. You can follow me on Alex X and Instagram Timcast. Sir, do you want to shout anything out?

[Craig Schistemas]

Yeah. You can find us over on YouTube at side Scrollers Podcast or on Rumble as well. We're also live over on Kick and Twitch. You can find the show on Spotify, but side Scrollers is a podcast every Monday through Friday, 11am Central Time. We'd love for you guys to pop in tomorrow and just say hello. It'd be great to meet you.

[Brett Dasovic]

Perfect. If you guys want to follow me, I'm on Instagram and X Brett Dasovic. On both of those platforms. PCC is live five days a week, Monday through Friday, 3pm Eastern, which is Noon Pacific on YouTube and on Rumble. We had very special guest Vera Dark on the show today. It was a lot of fun talking about a whole bunch of stuff. So you should go check that episode out after the show tonight.

[Philip Labonte]

I am Phil that Remains on Twix and Patreon. I keep forgetting to promote the Patreon so it's filled. Remains on X and Patreon and you can follow the band. All that remains at Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crying Carter.

[Carter Banks]

I'm Carter Banks. You can follow me at Carter Banks on X at Carter Banks official on Instagram if I ever use that anymore. And we follow our label at Trash house Records on YouTube. Yeah, it's been a great show and I can't wait to get to the after show and talk more about some stuff.

[Tim Pool]

We'll see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL right now. Thanks for hanging out.