SCOTUS Just Handed Trump & GOP A SECOND WIN, Democrats FURIOUS w/ Noel Fritsch

Summary

Timcast IRL – SCOTUS Just Handed Trump & GOP A SECOND WIN, Democrats FURIOUS w/ Noel Fritsch

Date: May 6, 2026
Host: Tim Pool
Featured Guest: Noel Fritsch (conservative campaign consultant, publisher at National File)
Panel: Tim Pool, Ian Crossland, Tate Banks, Carter Banks

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the latest Supreme Court (SCOTUS) actions favoring GOP redistricting plans, exploring sharp divisions on the Court and the explosive implications for the 2026 midterms and beyond. Tim and the panel also analyze the chaos around US political institutions, strategies behind congressional control, growing political polarization, the potential for “revolution,” and the intersection of culture, faith, and even impending UFO “disclosure.” The discussion is fast-paced, controversial, candid, and—true to Timcast’s style—rich in alternative political insight and humor.

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SCOTUS Ruling on Louisiana’s Voting Map: What Happened and Why It Matters

Main Segment: 02:28 – 18:10

Key Points

• SCOTUS Fast-Tracks Louisiana Voting Map Decision

  • Traditionally, a 32-day period follows SCOTUS rulings to allow appeals.
  • In this case, the conservative majority, led by Justice Alito, expedited enforcement, enabling immediate redistricting in Louisiana (and similar red states).
  • Quote:
    “Alito has accused Ketanji Brown Jackson […] of insulting the court with her request that an unconstitutional election be allowed to continue.” — Ian Crossland [02:28]

• Political Implications

  • At least 50,000 absentee ballots effectively voided.
  • GOP expected to gain up to 12 House seats by eliminating racially gerrymandered districts.
  • Democrats and civil rights advocates are furious; legal challenges are escalating.
  • Quote:
    “Republicans will win the midterms on procedure, not popularity. This is crazy.” — Tim Pool [09:40]
  • Dissent: Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson’s argument for respecting the usual waiting period is dismissed as “trivial at best, and the other is baseless and insulting.” — Alito (paraphrased) [14:54]

• Institutional Crisis

  • The panel stresses the unprecedented open hostility between Supreme Court justices.
  • Quote:
    “The Supreme Court is fighting. […] Every institution we have is now in the fray.” — Tim Pool [17:29]

Notable Quotes

• “They are deciding to say, we’re done with the games. This map’s unconstitutional.” — Tim Pool [17:09]
• “When you have the president arguing with Congress and Congress passing bills to restrain them, the court is usually the people sitting there—sitting in their robes, all looking at each other going, ‘Well, I dare say…’ But now, he says you’re irrational, you’re insulting and trivial. This is not the first time they’ve insulted Katanji Brown Jackson.” — Tim Pool [17:35]

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Deep Dive & Panel Analysis

Segment: 19:55 – 36:20

Key Issues Explored

• Is This Legal ‘War’ the New Normal?

  • The “lawfare” around redistricting is now the battleground for political power (“We’re not having a midterm election. We’re having a legal battle over who will get power in Congress—That’s it.” — Tim Pool [27:58])
  • Draws historical analogies to Plessy v. Ferguson, Brown v. Board, and the 1960s Voting Rights Act—major societal shifts often result from years of legal and procedural battles.

• Supreme Court Legitimacy and Instability

  • Widespread sense that the institution’s prestige is eroding.
  • Both sides see the court as acting politically.

• Debating the Merits of Race-Based Districts

  • Panel accuses Democrats of defending “Jim Crow discrimination” (Carter Banks [21:02])
  • Tim breaks down the flip in legal rationale from requiring to forbidding majority-minority districts.

• “Revolution” Versus “Regime Change”

  • Ongoing debate about whether US is in a peaceful revolution (“Trump is transformational. I just don’t know if he’s revolutionary.” — Tate Banks [35:20])
  • Trump seen as disrupting the old political dynasties but not necessarily changing the system itself.
  • Quote:
    “We are experiencing a revolution in the United States in slow motion.” — Tim Pool [28:33]

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The Economy, Culture War & Political Strategy

Key Segment: 37:02 – 49:10

Economic Turbulence as 2026 Midterms Loom

• Disastrous Jobs Reports & Inflation

  • Major concert tours and retail chains closing: a sign of deep economic malaise.
  • Rising gas prices a core issue for average voters: “People blame Joe Biden. They say, ‘I have less money in my pocket, I’m out of a job, et cetera, et cetera.’” — Tate Banks [39:48, 41:14]
  • The GOP’s risk: winning through procedural rulings while the public is anxious about real-world bread-and-butter issues.

• The Lindsey Graham Problem

  • Extended riff on Graham’s re-election prospects in SC.
  • Carter Banks notes Graham’s never faced a credible primary challenge; Mark Lynch emerges as a serious contender [42:01–46:49].
  • Memorable Moment:
    Mocking Graham’s warhawk tendencies (“Hey, Ian, what do you want to do tonight?” “We can go… war with Iran?” — [47:20])

Pop-Culture Election Reflection

• Democrats’ Weak Bench
  • Panel critiques Democratic field: lack of charisma, uncertain appeal of figures like Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris [53:04–57:02].
  • Quote:
    “Democrats have zero charisma. Even AOC is surface-level culture war garbage or self-awareness.” — Carter Banks [53:48]

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SCOTUS Rulings, Lawfare & the Future of American Politics

In-Depth Segment: 52:54 – 65:06

• Strategic GOP Advantage

  • Republicans developed a long-term strategy for redistricting following SCOTUS action.
  • Trump allies have coordinated efforts to maximize House gains (“James Blair… put together this entire strategy and he presented it to Trump”—Tate Banks [112:24]).

• Democratic Response

  • Democrats argue these decisions threaten the Voting Rights Act; suggest a reversion to the pre-civil rights era.

• On the Futility of Legal Fixes Without Cultural Change

  • Quote:
    “That’s why I always say it’s cultural culture that’s going to change things, not law.” — Ian Crossland [116:41]

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UFO “Disclosure,” Faith, and Social Psyops

Segment: 65:06 – 81:23

“Alien Disclosure” as Cultural Disruption

• Government Engages Religious Leaders

  • Leaked claims that government is prepping pastors for mass alien disclosure—a story taken seriously by Tim and team, referencing historical patterns of slow information “vaccination” to avoid chaos [66:08–69:15].
  • Quote:
    “If I was tasked… to unveil aliens are real—I’d say go to religious leaders, ask them for advice how to guide those who are faithful…” — Tim Pool [68:25]

• Psyops, QAnon, and the Disruption of Faith

  • Panel theorizes psychological operations targeting faith communities, comparing UFO rumors to the Q movement’s impact on religious, populist belief [76:14–77:49].
  • Anxiety that an “alien revelation” could break social cohesion rooted in Christianity.

• Wider Philosophical Reflections

  • Discuss the lingering moral and legal impacts of Christianity, even in largely secular societies [80:23].

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Culture, Economy & The Pandemic Threat

Segment: 89:17 – 104:06

• Hantavirus Cruise Ship Scare

  • Real-time analysis of the breaking story about an outbreak on a cruise ship—a flashpoint for “pandemic fear” narratives [89:17–98:16]

• Global Economic Shifts

  • The possibility of a “big short” against the US dollar, referencing historical currency crises, the position of the US as global reserve currency, the BRICS challenge, and the implications for monetary policy [104:21–107:47]
  • Tim and the panel riff on “money printer go brrr,” the rise of techno-commie policies, UBI, and the peril of endless money-printing.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tim Pool:
  “We are not having a midterm election. We are having a legal battle over who will get power in Congress.” [27:58]

• Ian Crossland:
  “Laws don’t exist. The Constitution doesn’t exist. All that matters is the moral majority’s willingness to use the power at their disposal.” [25:00]

• Carter Banks:
  “A lot of these justices sitting on the Supreme Court right now…you’ve even seen, in a few cases, you’ve even seen Kagan break away …because [Jackson] is just so bad at her job.” [22:50]

• On the Dem-GOP Divide:
  “Now we have two countries existing in one nation—a multicultural democracy that’s the Democrats and a constitutional republic that’s the right and the Republicans.” — Ian Crossland [26:19]

• On Lindsey Graham: “The folks aren’t wrong when they say, hey, we got a war. And then boom. Price, price of gas is way through the roof.” — Carter Banks [41:30]

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Headline Timestamps

• SCOTUS Insults Justice Jackson & Redistricting Chaos: [02:28–18:10]
• Panel on Lawfare and Institutional Breakdown: [19:55–36:20]
• Midterms, Economy & Cultural Warfare: [37:02–49:10]
• Democratic Weakness & Charisma Deficit: [53:04–57:02]
• GOP Redistricting Strategy & Legal Endgames: [112:24–116:41]
• UFO Disclosure and Religious Social Engineering: [65:06–81:23]
• Economic Fears: Currency, Crisis, & UBI: [104:21–107:47]
• Pandemic Panic—Hantavirus on the High Seas: [89:17–98:16]
• Mock Debates & Political Theatre: [116:06–123:10]

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Final Panel Thoughts

• The GOP is utilizing legal and procedural means to secure victory in the midterms.
• Every institution—from Congress to the Supreme Court—is now openly partisan and combative; the veneer of nonpartisanship is gone.
• Culture and economics, not just law, will drive lasting political transformation.
• There’s deep anxiety—both humorous and serious—about the fracturing of American society, the reliability of institutions, and the directions of both party establishments.
• Panel remains skeptical but alert to “disclosure” and government narrative manipulation, noting its potential impact on faith and civic stability.

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This summary sets you up with the essential arguments, memorable banter, and crucial context—useful for anyone seeking a comprehensive, unvarnished understanding of this pivotal week in US politics.

Transcript

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Court has issued a single page ruling expediting the ruling on the VRA. Now, normally there's a 32 day wait period. Now, interestingly, this came down just last night. We briefly talked about it last night, but the story is actually fairly insane. Alito has accused Katanji Brown Jackson, the Supreme Court justice, accusing a Supreme Court justice of insulting the court with her request that an unconstitutional election be allowed to continue to despite the ruling from the court. Now, it's a bit complicated right now exactly what the arguments are. Suffice it to say the conservative justices are actively fighting for a cause. That is the only interpretation I can see. Liberals are actively fighting as well. And I'm just looking at this battle for the midterm elections, procedural victories, congressional seats based upon rulings from courts and as opposed to what people actually want. And my only conclusion is this country is about to just break out into a brawl. I mean, when you've got the Supreme Court, which is supposed to be like the most academic of arguments, accusing another justice of insulting the court with their argument, not to mention they've also insulted Katanji Brown Jackson politely and academically before, it looks like we're reaching that boiling point. When the Supreme Court gets to the point where they're fighting and it's getting to that level, I can't imagine what everyone else is going to do because we go to the Supreme Court to resolve the issues when, you know, siblings are fighting in the streets. This ruling's absolutely insane. Not for the merit of the ruling, but how it's being laid down with the differences between the liberals and the conservatives. We're going to break all of that down. Of course, tonight we also have the Ohio primary, which basically is over. The Vigramma Swami won. However, in the prediction markets, you he is now expected to lose the Ohio primary. Yikes. And we've got a couple other stories. One big one, of course, is that Trump has suggested they're gonna release. Well, he's outright said they're gonna release a bunch of UFO information. And a pastor online has claimed that the government has brought a bunch of different pastors together to warn them they will need to prepare their congregations for full alien disclosure. Now, I'd normally just poo poo that stuff, but considering how much the government has been preparing for this, what with alien.gov and these conversations, I actually am not surprised to hear these conversations may be happening. And in fact, others have corroborated the claim that government officials are going to pass and saying, listen, you gotta prepare your congregation for what we're about to release. It's gonna get crazy. We'll talk about that and a whole lot more. My friends, before we do, we got a great sponsor for you. It is pocket hose. Let's go. The world's number one expanding hose has gone ballistic. Pocket hose is the number one expandable hose in the world. Super lightweight, easy to manage, easy to store. Turn the water on and it grows. Turn the water off and it shrinks back to pocket size. The pocket hose ballistic is reinforced with a liquid crystal polymer used in bulletproof vests, making the anti burst sleeve practically bulletproof. And that liquid crystal polymer fiber is actually five times stronger than steel. Comes with a pocket pivot which gives you total freedom of movement at the spigot. With 360 degree rotation you move, it follows and the water flows. Enhanced with an upgraded UV coating so those so the hose looks new year after year. Re engineered thicker washers that resist leaks. Pocket hose carries over 100 patents worldwide. And now for a limited time, when you purchase a new pocket hose ballistic, you'll get a free 360 degree rotating pocket pivot and a free thumb drive nozzle. Just text TIM to 64,000. That's TIM to 64,000. For your two free gifts with purchase. Text TIM to 64,000. Message and data rates may apply. Shout out. Thanks for sponsoring the show, guys. Don't forget to go to timcast.com click join us. Get in that Discord community. The uncensored portion of the show is on Rumble Premium every night at 10pm but as a Discord member, you you can call in and actually talk to us and our guest and I recommend it. We got tens of thousands of people hanging out. If you want to meet new people, get involved, be active in the political space, this is one way to do it. While actively supporting the show and the work that we do. Don't forget to also smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Noel Fritsch.

[Carter Banks]

Thanks for having me, Tim. Appreciate it.

[Ian Crossland]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Carter Banks]

I am a conservative campaign consultant and I also publish the national file. We've done some stories of of note going back several years. Most notably probably the Ashley Biden diary. And also we were responsible for defanging Cal Cunningham and saving the 5050 Senate in 2020. Charlie Kirk gave us credit for that. We were very proud to have his shout out back then. So yeah, right now we're running against Lindsey Graham with my client Mark lynch down in South Carolina.

[Ian Crossland]

We're not big fans of Lindsey Graham.

[Carter Banks]

Nor are we.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know who is.

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We can't find any fans in South Carolina.

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That's amazing.

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Yeah, a couple, couple of government bureaucrats are sort of on the dole from Lindsay, but that's about it.

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Maybe a lot of illegal immigrants and you know, but we'll talk about that. So it'll be fun having you. We got the boys hanging out, baby.

[Tate Banks]

What's going on? You know, I think the, the gay district in D.C. might be a big fan of Lindsey Graham. I believe he frequents Dupont Circle.

[Carter Banks]

I was going to say Dupont Circle is very popular there.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, yeah. So I would not.

[Ian Crossland]

Now hold on. I don't know if you guys are joking. No, I genuinely don't know.

[Carter Banks]

I wouldn't know.

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Truth there.

[Tim Pool]

Is that a correlation or an insinuation?

[Ian Crossland]

The insinuation is he's a seven year

[Carter Banks]

old bachelor childless warmonger.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean like I, I got, I got like if, if you're, you know, at least older than 45 and you're a single guy, something's going on.

[Tim Pool]

Keep going, Tim.

[Carter Banks]

He wasn't there. Wasn't he in the Air Force? I think.

[Tim Pool]

Bring the noise.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, so Ian C. Or Carter? Press the button.

[Tim Pool]

I'm single. That's why he's saying that.

[Tate Banks]

Let's either means you're gay or like a intellectual genius.

[Tim Pool]

Gay or a genius? Yeah.

[Tate Banks]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tate Banks]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

If you fired your sperm out into the universe, would it be like panspermia? Like it would land on another planet?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

You think we're time capsule as well?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Ian Crossland]

Here's a story from the New York Times. Supreme Court agrees to fast track Louisiana voting map decision. Now this in and of itself is not the big news because we did talk about this a little bit last night when the news came in just around like seven or so yesterday. The Supreme Court said we're not going to wait 32 days to set to transmit this to the lower courts. We're gonna do it right now. Here's the gist of it. When the Supreme Court issues a ruling, they wait A month so that people get their fare in orders. Maybe there will be arguments made to counter or whatever, and they'll sometimes hear them. So they give it 32 days to do all of that. This time around, Alito and the conservatives said, nope, we are fast tracking this ruling to the lower courts to put it in place now so that Louisiana can redistrict, shut down the primary and start again. Now, there's some problems here. There's already, I think, around 50,000 absentee ballots cast in the Louisiana primary. And they're basically saying, nah, doesn't count anymore. So when Alito argues, we're just going to do this, it's going to happen. There is an argument there. The problem is, there is an argument there. You are going to end up creating a legal complaint from tens of thousands of people. So what ends up happening is Ketanji Brown Jackson, probably, in my opinion, with the worst arguments. Look, far be it from me to question a Supreme Court justice. That being said, her arguments are. It looks biased to do and people may want to make arguments, and it's just like the weakest argument she could have made as to why they should not do this. So the gist of it is this. Louisiana wants to redistrict. A bunch of red states want to redistrict. They want to get rid of racially gerrymandered district districts. This will give the Republicans upwards of 12 seats and take 12 seats from Democrats. Republicans will win the midterms on pot, on procedure, not popularity. This is crazy. In order to do this, they needed precedent from the Supreme Court to say, racially gerrymandered districts gotta go. The DOJ then came out and said, we are going to require every state who has racially gerrymandered districts to change those maps. Now, for those that don't know what that means, these are congressional districts that are drawn up specifically based on race. The Supreme Court said, you can't. The DO DOJ said, we're gonna make sure you don't. And now red states are saying, okay, we'll change the maps. For that to happen, the Supreme Court has to issue their ruling, which we know they did publicly, but they usually wait 32 days. In this instance, they've decided not to. Let me read you. It's only a couple of paragraphs from the Supreme Court to permit the losing party time to file a petition for rehearing. The Clerk of Court ordinarily waits 32 days after the entry of the Court's judgment to send the opinion and certified copy of the judgment to the clerk of the lower court. This period is subject to adjustment. The default applies unless the court or a Justice shortens or extends the time. The Calais Appellees have asked for the clerk to issue the judgment forthwith so that in the evidence in the event of a judicial remedy, the district Court may oversee an orderly process. Appellant Louisiana does not oppose this application, and while the Robinson appellants oppose it, they have not expressed any intent to ask this Court to reconsider its judgment. Thus, the application to issue the judgment forthwith presented by Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is granted. Justice Alito, with Justice Thomas and Justice Gorsuch concurring. Now they go on to mention right away the dissent in this suit for which oh boy, homeboy is the the dissent which I'll show you a bit of first is this from Justice Jackson saying this the Court's decision in these cases has spawned chaos in the state of Louisiana. Louisiana's primary elections were scheduled to take place on May 16. Accordingly, the state mailed ballots overseas and military voters two overseas and military voters on April 1 and other voters who qualified to vote by mail on April 26. By April 29, the date on which the Court released its decision holding that Louisiana's current Congressional map is unconstitutional and unconstitutional gerrymander Some Louisiana voters had already mailed back their filled in ballots. The very next day, Louisiana's governor declared that Calais effectively revives the lower court's prior injunction against the current map. Now what she's arguing is that they should follow Rule 45.3. I know it's all very esoteric and muddy, but she's saying give them 32 days, which means you can't redo the map in response. Which is interesting because the response to the sentence before the dissent this is what he says. Alito says the descent in the suit levels charges that cannot go unanswered. The dissent would require the 2026 congressional elections in Louisiana be held under a map that has been held to be unconstitutional. The dissent does not claim that it is now too late for the state legislature or the district court to adopt a new map that complies with the Constitution. Nor does the dissent assert that it is not feasible for the elections to be understood to map. Instead, the dissent offers two reasons. The first is compliance with a 32 day default rule. Again, I said her argument was really dumb. The principal reason for the 32 day default is to give a losing party time to prepare, etc. Etc. He says the Congressional district map enacted by legislature has been held to be unconstitutional and the general election will be held in just six months. He was going to say what principle has the court violated? The Principal Rule of 45.3 32 day default period should never be shortened even when there's good reason to do so. The principle that we should never take action that might unjustifiably be criticized as partisan. The dissent accuses the court of unshackling itself from constraints. It is the sense rhetorics that lacks restraint and that right there is a how dare you, ma'.

[Carter Banks]

Am.

[Ian Crossland]

But indeed he calls it insulting. Let me pull up the specific, he says. Nor does the dissent assert that it is not feasible for the elections to be under such a map. Instead, the dissent offers two reasons. One is trivial at best, trivial at best, and the other is baseless and insulting. Here's your takeaway everybody. The Daily Beast says SCOTUS justice melts down at colleagues insulting criticism and get this Democracy Docket Dropping Today, one day after Let the Chaos Begin, Supreme Court aired in fast tracking Calais judgment and should stop Louisiana Redraw Black Voters argue Of course Democracy Docket is a Democrat aligned group that doesn't want the redistricting. However, this is this is what they're reporting. The black voters who successfully sued Louisiana to redraw its congressional map to add another majority minority district in 23, only to have that redraw struck down by the Supreme Court in last week's Louisiana v. Cala are now asking the Court to recall its quick order Monday clearing the way for a rushed redistricting during a prized primary primary. So to wrap this all up in a neat little bow, considering it's a long winded story, the Justices are faced with a legitimate argument. Typically what we have seen, like if you go back to 2020, the Supreme Court refused to take the case. Texas v. Pennsylvania, where Texas argued four states unconstitutionally altered the rules of their elections so that Biden would win an argument that I think is legitimate and at least should have been ruled upon. But the Supreme Court, being a bunch of cowards, refused to do it. It was only Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito who said we must hear this case because it was filed state against state in and they have original jurisdiction in the matter. They handle these cases. They refuse to do it. So when I saw that they were willing to stop an election dead in its tracks, cancel 50,000 votes and then tell Justice Jackson she is insulting them for arguing they shouldn't, only thing I'd say was it's on the conservative justices are playing the game now alongside everywhere, everyone else, which is good news and bad news. The good news is, thank God they're actually fighting right now. They are deciding to say, we're done with the games. This maps unconstitutional. Normally what we saw from courts was, well, we can't issue the ruling, but we're going to leave this election as it is because it's already started and the next one will change. The fact that they're not doing that is massive. Now here's the bad news. The Supreme Court is fighting. When you have the president arguing with Congress and Congress passing bills to restrain them, the court is usually the people sitting there sitting in their robes, all looking at each other going, well, I dare say I would argue the president is great. And then the liberal justice goes, well, I think that the other side is incorrect and it looks all academic. The fact that we're at the point where he says you're irrational, you're insulting and trivial. This is not the first time they've insulted Katachi Brown Jackson. The bad news here is every institution we have is now in the fray. And maybe that's bad news. I think it's bad news because it shows instability. But I can at least say, look, the fight was already here.

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I'm not saying physical fight. I'm saying the political lawfare is here. And I am glad the conservative justices are saying, we are going to take action, boys. What say you?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think you're right that the the confrontation was already inevitable and already happening at different layers and the Supreme Court had been tepid to get involved. But at some point the court is there to argue and to argue each other and to argue counterpoints to each other whether or not it's personal. You know, ideally not, but sometimes a slip here and there, really, it shouldn't get personal. It should be about the rules and the regulations. But if one justice is regularly doing something that the rest of the justices find abhorrent, I think they're within their bounds to say something and natural force. Before the show went live, I thought they should start a reality show. Like we should put cameras on them and they can debate so the whole world can hear them debating these ideas. Slap each other with gloves. We don't have to read these eight page legalist things and try and decipher what words mean because no, how. What percentage of the population you think can handle Katanji Brown Jackson's argument right now and could understand it?

[Ian Crossland]

Point zero. To be honest, guys, it took me nine minutes to try and work through all of that and I am trying to simplify it as much as possible.

[Carter Banks]

Can I boil it down functionally? You have the Democrats on the court arguing for Jim Crow discrimination. That is what is going on here. That's what's happening.

[Tim Pool]

I think Jackson's two main points were, one, the election's already ongoing, but the other one is that hey, these people in the state that have cast their votes have an actual redress to their own Supreme Court. And for the the U.S. supreme Court to say no is like overstepping over the bounds. You really shouldn't get involved with our state is what I think.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, listen, listen, the thing that I got to say, I don't agree with Katanji Brown Jackson's idiotic argument. We should just uphold a flat Standard on Rule 45.3. What you can. The court can decide not to do that. However, there was an argument that there's 50,000 people who already cast their ballots. They've been given mail in ballots. I'm not a fan of that. They filled them out and mailed them in. They're now going to be told that's void. They're going to get standing in a suit. They may not win. But you are creating, let's just put it this way, let's talk about the can of worms. A congressional district was created and a vote began. This means there's a congressional campaign that has raised millions of dollars. That means there are donors who have donated this campaign. Now, the court has ruled it's an unconstitutional map. It's got to be redrawn. Those candidates, all that money, all that campaign work for nothing.

[Carter Banks]

On the other side of the ledger are the millions of people literally who are disenfranchised because of all.

[Ian Crossland]

Agreed. The point is nothing malicious happened. There was no intention of the government to do something unconstitutional that one could argue. And the Supreme Court arguing, y' all made a mistake and it's unconstitutional and is not a malicious action. So there will not be a remedy that could be granted to anybody who donated to that congressional campaign that no longer can exist. This is legitimate chaos.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, well, there's multiple problems here. I mean, the first one is, I think the reason, part of the reason the Supreme Court we're getting such favorable decisions out of them right now is because Brown Jackson is like, genuinely a moron. And I think that that's like a real thing. I think a lot of these justices sitting on the Supreme Court right now, you've even seen, in a few cases, you've even seen Kagan break away, where Kagan is like, listen to Brown Jackson and told her off in her dissent or whatever in her opinion. And so I think what's happening here, I do agree that, yeah, the Supreme Court justices are kind of wising up to what's going on here, that we're actually in a knife fight right now. But I also think that Brown Jackson is just so bad at her job. That is actually a liability for the liberals right now as we speak. In addition to that, I mean. Well, Ian, to your point, I mean, I don't know if it'd be a good idea to put cameras in the Supreme Court. I think that's part of the problem with Congress right now is actually that there's cameras. Like, I agree, these different committee hearings and everything, personalities, they start appealing to the cameras and that sort of thing, that would be kicked. I mean, do you think Brown Jackson, she was in a musical. So, like, she would love to have cameras in the Supreme Court. Like, that would be her dream. So I think there's a problem there. In addition to this. Look, this was what a lot of Democrats were citing when the initial ballot language came out for the Virginia redistricting is they said they had problems with. I vividly remember seeing various Democrat politicos saying, this might blow up in our face because of the specific wording that they use on the Virginia redistricting ballot measure was they said, well, this is rebalance and restore fairness to our elections and everything. If they would have just flat out said, we're redistricting, yes or no, they actually probably would have been fine. Because if you look at the judge where he issued the injunction in southwestern Virginia, his main contention was actually that the ballot language was unclear, which it was. I think a lot of uninformed voters probably went to the ballots in Virginia and they said, yeah, fairness, yeah. That seems like they know what they're doing. I'll vote yes for that.

[Carter Banks]

But it's worth noting, that's a big sea change decision in behavior here with the DOJ. I mean, literally for now, 65 years or whatever, since the VRA in the mid-60s, you're looking at the DOJ literally enforcing these racist districts. Okay? And now this is a big watershed moment where it's like literally 180 flip

[Ian Crossland]

inverted is a really great example of. How would you describe this? Laws don't exist.

[Tim Pool]

Revolution.

[Ian Crossland]

Laws don't exist. The Constitution doesn't exist. What people need to understand is all that matters is the moral majority's willingness to use the power at their disposal. To put it Simply, when the 1964 Civil Rights act was enacted, a year later, they enacted the Voting Rights Act. The Voting Rights Act, Section 2 says you cannot discriminate in voting on the basis of race. Under that argument, they successfully argued to the courts there should be black majority congressional districts. Otherwise, you're discriminating. Now, the view back then was the. The political worldview of a group of people is predominantly tied to their race and then subsequently, other issues of their lives. Thus, it is discrimination if black people don't have the opportunity only among themselves, to choose who their candidate is under the exact same law. This Supreme Court said quite the opposite. In fact, it is racial discrimination to create a racial district, a congressional district based on race.

[Carter Banks]

Right?

[Ian Crossland]

How could the same law result in complete opposite court rulings over a period of time? All that mattered was who was willing to bang the gavel.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's the Justice's main job is to interpret the law. And that's what they're doing. It's the same law.

[Ian Crossland]

So now we have two countries existing in one nation, a multicultural democracy that's the Democrats and a constitutional republic that's the right and the Republicans. And their argument is the activist court of the right has just overturned civil rights protections that have been in place for generations. And on the right, the argument is they finally stopped allowing racial discrimination, which I agree. They finally stopped. Stopped forcing racial discrimination.

[Carter Banks]

I'll draw a corollary almost here between Plessy versus Ferguson and then Brown v. Board. You know, it was indeed 1896-19, 1954. Okay. And so that took about 50, 60 years. And so we're actually kind of looking at the same timeline here. You know, mid-60s to now.

[Ian Crossland]

Interestingly, the same argument that segregation was equality. It gave them their own space to be free to do what they wanted. And then the argument changed to no, but making people use different spaces or go to different schools is not equality.

[Tim Pool]

Interesting, because the tone of hatred went down from 1890 to 1950. It used to be, we don't want them here. We're safer and we're all better off if we're here and they're there. And then over time, people realized actually we can coexist and we're going to force it legally.

[Carter Banks]

And the Fed Gov had to come in and, you know, basically nationalize the National Guard, federalize the National Guard in some of these Southern states and enforce, you know, the desegregation. And so that's what we're looking at here. Essentially, we're in the Fed Gov coming in and enforcing the desegregation of these racially gerrymandered districts. I feel like the irony can't be understated that the precedent from the Pennsylvania lawsuit back in. Was it 2020?

[Ian Crossland]

20. 20.

[Carter Banks]

2020, yeah. Is the precedent that said, I'm living this.

[Tim Pool]

I'm livid.

[Ian Crossland]

I warned this, warned of this in 2020 when the Supreme Court, when it was only Alito and Thomas who agreed to hear the case, Texas v. Pennsylvania. I said, if you do not answer this question, it is going to be bedlam in the next several years. And here we are now. We are not having an election, ladies and gentlemen. I understand. I'm happy to see the Republicans win over the Democrats. Democrats are nuts. But I'm going to say it. I think it's plain as day to anybody who wants to be honest. We are not having a midterm Election. We are having a legal battle over who will get power in Congress. That's it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. For a while I was concerned, thinking that this, the Trump administration was a coup or an attempted coup. People are saying that his detractors are like, they're trying to take over the government. It's a coup. And it's like, did I talk to somebody? And they're like, no, bro, it's a revolution. We are experiencing a revolution in the United States in slow motion. The.

[Ian Crossland]

That's true.

[Tim Pool]

These departments have, like you said, 180 degree shifts. Robert F. Kennedy with the FDA. The amount of change that's happened dietarily, let alone another form of revolution.

[Ian Crossland]

Usaid.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yes, yes. Ripping the money out of the politics. So people are listening to us. That administration has ears on shows like this, so we have an opportunity to guide the revolution. And it's a loaded term. A lot of cult of personality is bad in revolutions because they leave vacuums when the guy goes away. So you want a distance from Trump. Make it about the rules and the systems.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think of it that way, Ian. I'm not trying to tell people what they should or should not do or prescribe any action anybody should be taking. If they hear what I'm saying, it does influence. That's a byproduct. The only thing I'm happy to have influenced is that people didn't go and see Animal Farm. But aside from that, Congress is a different picture.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let's tap onto the idea of revolution. The United States is a revolution. The United States is written system of the ability to revolve the people in it. They come in and they go out. There's that revolution. You can amend the laws and change them or repeal them, so you can revolve the laws that are on the books. It's the perfect system to have a peaceful revolution. And if we do it right, I mean, they're going to try and turn it into a technocracy. We got to be stall steadfast about it because, you know, the liberal economic order wants the global banking system to kind of spearhead with the American military. So I. Trump's doing it. Grab the reins and guide the system.

[Ian Crossland]

Before you talk, can I just say civil war. Go ahead.

[Tate Banks]

Well, that's actually a great segue there, because I was gonna make the point that I actually don't even know if we have the capacity for a peaceful revolution anymore, because the Civil War was actually kind of what called that bluff, so to speak. Again, that made it very obvious that there's a compact that once you enter the United States, your state can now no longer secede from the Union or a war will break out. I mean, obviously there was a lot of complications of why the war actually occurred, but one of the cruxes of it was again, the Southern states wanting to leave, saying they had had a variety of policy and civilizational disagreements with the North. And so that actually like incapacitates the ability for a revolution to truly occur in the United States peacefully. It's going to get bloody no matter what. In addition to that, I mean, on the VRA story, one thing that was interesting no one's talking about is in Kagan's dissent, she wrote that this effectively is the first instance of the VRA is now gonna be destroyed. She was saying that the VRA is now gonna be destroyed by the Supreme Court. This was just the first chip to fall. And what's interesting if, what the implications are if the VRA falls is you've seen a lot of chatter and conservative circles about maybe requiring some sort of like civics exam in order to register to vote. And this is like legitimate policy.

[Ian Crossland]

Literacy test.

[Tate Banks]

These are legit. Well, literacy test was the reason this was imposed. And to be fair, maybe to Steel man, you did see voter turnout shoot up after the.

[Ian Crossland]

Listen, listen, in order to vote, you only have to read one paragraph, but paragraph, and it says she wore a silhouette of clothing that was extraordinary and quite gauche.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, you know, that could be something. But I do think, you know, a civics test of some sort that could be interesting because you need that to immigrate to the country.

[Carter Banks]

So speaking of civics in history, a lot of this comes back to South Carolina. We're talking about secession essentially and you know, maybe civil crack ups and everything. Here in South Carolina you have, you know, these, well, these three federal judges arguing for, know that James Clyburn district to stay whole and this racially gerrymander district. Well, Lindsey Graham voted for both Kagan and Sotomayor. He voted to confirm them. That's Lindsey Graham's judges that are arguing, yeah, Lindsey, I got to bring it back to South Carolina.

[Ian Crossland]

Of course. I have an idea like what if after this revolution and we, you know, take over and create one party rule. I'm half kidding, by the way. What if on all ballots, instead of voting for who you want it, you, you, you get a list of the candidates and then it's, and then it lists the powers of the office and says, which person do you want to Be in charge of the budget.

[Tim Pool]

Just draw lines.

[Tate Banks]

No, no, no.

[Ian Crossland]

You have to write the person.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Ian Crossland]

You get a selection of names to choose from that are running for various offices. And then it would say something like this. You get a ballot and it says, which individual would you like to have the power in your district to. To vote on laws to be passed for this country? And then you got to write a name in.

[Carter Banks]

Katanji goes for President Camacho.

[Ian Crossland]

And if you. If you write Joe Biden in that box, we just say, okay, Joe Biden for Congress. He got 17 votes. Then it asks, which person would you like to. To have executive authority over law enforcement and the military? It doesn't ask who you want to be president. It asks you who you want to do the job. Because then, stupid. There's no literacy test. It's just. You voted for Joe Biden for Congress.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Getting rid of the multiple choice aspect of voting is kind of intriguing. And it might.

[Ian Crossland]

Voting multiple.

[Tim Pool]

If you write a name in and you misspell it, sorry, your vote doesn't count. Like, you got to know how to, by the way.

[Carter Banks]

That's how. That's how Murkowski is a senator right now. In 2010. Like Joe Miller won the primary and the. The GOP, RNC, they're obviously corrupt. Went in heavy to make sure that Murkowski ran a write in campaign. And. And then they wouldn't let Joe. They took over his campaign and wouldn't let her say bad things about Murkowski. She won her Senate seat in 2010 with a writing campaign. And it was people misspelling Murkowski.

[Tim Pool]

All of them. Would they. They would count the misspellings?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, of course they counted them.

[Tim Pool]

It's reasonable. I mean, that's a reasonable. I wouldn't like, switch it over.

[Carter Banks]

How hard? How Come on.

[Ian Crossland]

Nope.

[Tim Pool]

Right. People would change their name to AB to make it real simple. Absolutely.

[Carter Banks]

I want to see you all the

[Tim Pool]

way down and push back against what you were saying, Tate.

[Carter Banks]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tate Banks]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tate Banks]

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[Carter Banks]

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[Tate Banks]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

United States is fertile for a peaceful form of revolution? I think that's what we do every four years anyway. So it's kind of. It's seamlessly fabricated for it. Not about secession, not about states leaving. It's about systems and rules changing from within. And I would consider that the revolution, and that's just how you define the word is really.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, I mean, I guess you'd be arguing with semantics at that point. I mean, I agree that Trump is transformational. I just don't know if he's revolutionary. I think you would see a complete upending of the American system as it is if Trump were revolutionary. By that I mean quite literally, we would change our system of government. You would maybe see one of the branches shut down, etc. Etc. Because that's what revolutions have looked like in other countries. But we're arguing over semantics. So, you know, it just depends on what your meaning of, well, revolution is.

[Ian Crossland]

Right, because you're talking about the far end of the ultimate revolution. That is the government changes completely, maybe the country gets a new name. But in terms of successful revolution, I'm talking politically and strategically, Trump is doing it the way that is most effective. Shutting down aid was a revolution. USAID was the mechanism by which the government funded itself and its politicians for a permanent structure. And the Trump admin stopped that. One of the most important things in this country's history that changed everything. Now they're trying to muster up a second defense, you know, a last bastion in Virginia, and they're not doing that well there either.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, well, I mean, if you define revolution as just a change in a political regime, which would be valid, I think you would look at, you know, certain revolutions throughout history and it was simply a regime change. I say simply a regime change. I'm putting the emphasis on regime change here. That Trump would absolutely class that would be classified as a revolution because I mean, he dethroned the Clintons, dethroned the Bushes and dethroned, I mean, basically the Obama apparatus all in three election cycles. There's something to that specifically on the Bushes and Clintons, cuz I think everyone anticipated to be a Jeb Bush v. Hillary Clinton election in 2016. So in that regard, yeah, I suppose that would be sort of a peaceful revolution, but that would come in tandem with like some serious drastic, you know, political changes.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to jump to this next story, which is the biggest pitfall for The Republicans coming in the midterms, outside of the procedural stuff they're doing, which may. They may win with anyway, the economy is doing pretty bad. So this story from Entertainment. Nine major artists have canceled or postponed tour dates. Here's why. Not all of it is economic, but several major tours have been shut down because they can't sell tickets. That's just crazy.

[Carter Banks]

She's sort of about that base. Just kind of sort of.

[Tim Pool]

I don't want to.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, she's all about that Ozempic.

[Tim Pool]

Someone mentioned that Ticketmaster. I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it.

[Tim Pool]

Is like, does Ticketmaster officially have a monopoly or is that more of an opinion? I don't know.

[Carter Banks]

There was some kind of ruling on it.

[Ian Crossland]

Some of. Some of these are totally legitimate reasons. I don't want to say all nine cancellations, you know, like one person injured her throat or whatever.

[Tim Pool]

That's sad.

[Ian Crossland]

The post post Malone is just saying that he's canceling his first two dates because they're not ready. However many people are speculating, the real reason many of these tours are outright canceled is because nobody will buy tickets. The question then is why won't anyone buy tickets? The next question is why is subway shutting down 729 locations? And then the next obvious point is that gas is now above $4. And then interestingly, no one's buying world World cup tickets either. So we were having this discussion before the show started about the economy actually being kind of in bad shape right now. We're seeing that everywhere. Basically everybody's been complaining about inflation. There doesn't seem to be an easy solution right now. The war is spiking gas prices in a meaningful way for regular people. That's going to be. Look, there was a post I saw on threads. I love threads, by the way. It's just. Guys, take a minute, go on the threads if you have one. It's just all liberals talking to themselves. It's the craziest thing. They're virtue signaling. It's crazy. But I saw one post where they said not a single liberal is complaining about. Just insert culture war issues. They were like, the only thing the Democrats are attacking right now is the price at the pump. Republicans are missing that big picture and I think they're right about it. Republicans are very much still, you know, what are conservatives concerned about? Epstein.

[Tate Banks]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

They're. They're mad about Israel and Iran. Regular people don't even care about that. Yeah, they want. Now Iran is connected to the high gas prices, don't get me wrong. But regular people Won't. And I'm not trying to disparage your average working class guy or woman. They're going to the gas pump and they're going like, man, what's going on? Like 450 for gas. If you go to them and say, well, listen, I gotta explain you, the Strait of Hormuz right now has been mined. Right? They're gonna go, the what? I don't know what that means. What's gonna happen? They're gonna go to the voting booth and they're gonna say, other guy.

[Tate Banks]

Yep. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, we've seen the last few jobs reports haven't been favorable. I mean, we're not exactly getting kicked in the teeth here. And this is like people hear this on a political podcast and they're expecting shock and awe, and then all of a sudden you're talking about jobs reports. But like, these sorts of things are what voters actually determine who they're gonna vote for off of. Because, you know, voting is primarily based off of two things. His vibes. And that's what carried Trump in 2024. The package of policies were so interesting and intriguing and he ran such a good campaign that the vibes are very high. And then the second component of why Trump won in 2024 was the gas prices were horrible. The gas prices are through the roof for a myriad of reasons. And people blame Joe Biden. They say, I have less money in my pocket, I'm out of a job, et cetera, et cetera. So I'm going to go pull the lever for the other guy, like Tim said. So when you see like the last few jobs reports over the last few months, again, we're barely breaking even. And breaking even in jobs reports means you've created enough jobs or we've added enough jobs that would keep up with population growth. But typically in a good jobs report, period, you would see about 200,000 jobs added. We've been seeing like 60,000 jobs added over the last few jobs reports. So again, this is just not good numbers. Like at the end of the, at the end of 2025, we were getting our teeth kicked in on the jobs reports numbers. So it's like little nerdy stuff like that actually does matter a lot when you're approaching a midterm election. Because again, people are out of a job and they're gonna like, that's cause of Iran. I knew it's cause of Iran. Or they'll have some sort of reason why the guy in charge is responsible for them losing their job. And they'll punish them at the polls.

[Tim Pool]

Dude, today was, I was shocked for the first time about fuel prices. It went up to $4.50, I think or 4:40 was the highest I've ever seen it in this area.

[Carter Banks]

Pain at the pump. I mean, it's a real thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Diesel is over 6.

[Carter Banks]

It's a real thing.

[Tim Pool]

I tweeted Trump about it and I'm like, bro, just calm down. Say it.

[Ian Crossland]

Talk about on the show.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's a show.

[Carter Banks]

Lindsay Graham is, I mean, look it, the folks aren't wrong when they say, hey, we got a war. And then boom. Price, price of gas is way through the roof. And look, there's some truth to that, right? And, and they're gonna blame guys like Lindsay Graham who are like beating the drum for forever wars and they never stop. They've never met guys like him, never met a war that they don't like. And by the way, they, then they come home and they say, hey, you need to send your kids to die for, for whatever cause is next. You know, we're out of Ukraine and now we're going to go to the next one, on to the next one. And folks are just not having it.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, why do people keep voting for that guy?

[Carter Banks]

You know, it's a good question. We get that question a lot. The truth is he's never been challenged. That's the first truth. He's never credibly been challenged. Back to 2014, there were a couple of bucks in behind a guy, a good guy called Lee Bright. And Nancy Mace was in that race too. She only had 2, 300 grand, but total there was only about a million between them against Lindsey. And then in 20, he didn't even have a challenger. Some no name guy had, you know, 10,000 bucks. And the baseline of antipathy for Lindsey Graham with a no name guy with no money is like 25% like. So there's, there's a lot of hatred for Lindsey Graham, but there's just never been a credible challenge. And you know, Mark lynch is the guy. He's got 5 million bucks in. He's a successful businessman. He understands, you know, how the business cycle works. And that's what folks want. They want a business guy and not a bunch of lawyers kind of to tie this all together.

[Tim Pool]

I know Paul. Dan's pretty well. He's been on the show a few times. We've talked about, had dinner together. He's great. And he was running and so he put his support behind Mark as well.

[Carter Banks]

He did Paul Dance took his name off the ballot. And he has thrown his full voice behind Mark lynch for Senate against Lindsey Graham. And he's campaigning on the trail. They're, they're doing joint events. He's going out as a surrogate all over the state, helping just get everybody behind. Dumping Lindsay on, on June 9th.

[Ian Crossland]

Man, I'm just hoping that, you know, in the, in the straight of hormone moves right now for, you know, try to, try to educate everybody. They're policing the straight now, doing guided escorts through for ships because, you know, Iran, of course, is threatening it. And you know, my concern is the Trump admin doesn't actually care about prices or jobs or the economy like they do care, but they're willing to prioritize things like the war in Iran because we are going to have a procedural midterm victory, meaning because of redistricting, they win regardless of whether or not they actually win the argument or the economy is bad.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Trump said, like tariffs, there's going to be short term pain. This is another example of short term pain. He thinks he's doing the global geopolitical right thing and he's willing to cause some short term pain. Thing is, you know, if you hurt someone short term, you hurt them hard enough short term, it's going to cause reaction.

[Ian Crossland]

Sorry, Sorry. Breaking news. Correction. They're no longer guiding ships to the Strait of Hormuz. They're entering negotiations with Iran. So they're pausing that.

[Tate Banks]

Okay, Yeah, I struggle to believe that. I'm not saying this is what you're saying, but the gop, Trump is a different. Obviously he's an enigma. But the gop, I don't think was making any calculations here when they just failed to invest in the Virginia redistricting fight. I mean, The Democrats put $60 million into it. The GOP didn't. I don't believe for a second that, like, Savita, he was like, oh, yeah, but we know that there's gonna be a judge in southwestern Virginia that's gonna like, issue an injunction. No, they didn't know that. They were, they were like, let's get John Cornyn across the fence. That's right.

[Carter Banks]

50 mil into Texas behind Cornyn.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah. So, okay, the GOP got bailed out and now the Democrats might have wasted $6 million in Virginia. That's not GOP strategy. 40 chess. That's just them getting completely bailed out out of like sheer.

[Carter Banks]

That's what the GOP exists to do, by the way, guys. So, I mean, just so it's clear, like the rnc, the GOP nrsc, NRCC exists solely to protect their leadership shills inside of their key committees. The Appropriations Committee, the Budget Committee, Lindsey Graham, chairman of the Budget Committee. We don't have a budget like Finance Committee. Those are those a committees they have. They literally tier the committees. Right. And so that's what they exist to do.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, the one thing I can say for, for South Carolina is, you know, it's very progressive to elect a homosexual man as oftentimes as they did. And you know, I know that's kind of a joke, but most people think he's a gay man. I'm surprised South Carolina would be willing to vote for him.

[Carter Banks]

Can I tell you what, to be honest, I tell you what he does. So there are a surprising number of South Carolinians who are not aware of the like, widely known proclivities of Mr. Lindsey Graham, you know, in his private life. And the reason is because he actually spends a lot of money essentially propagandizing them with pictures of his like nieces and nephews as if he has a family. He literally lies and kind of pretends to have a family.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to clarify. I'm not saying he's gay. I'm saying most people in politics believe that he is. That's right. So when you see a, what, he's 70, right.

[Carter Banks]

66, I believe.

[Ian Crossland]

66 year old bachelor. And you go to the Belt when everyone's like, you go to D.C. and you go to anybody who works in politics here and tell you he's gay. I'm just saying that's surprising that South Carolina would have elected him so many times, you know.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, that's right. And it's a Bible Belt state. Yeah. It's very heavily Baptist and dispensational and, and Protestant. Right. And that's not the kind of vibe that they tend to go along with. And I think that it's becoming more and more widely known now that there is this challenge and Lindsey's desperate. Lindsey's buying Mark lynch all kinds of name ID in the state that we, you know, Mark's got $5 million and he's spending it. He's. It's a real deal campaign and we need all the help we can get.

[Ian Crossland]

By the way, that's just the primary.

[Carter Banks]

Just, just the primary. Just the primary. And what a patriot.

[Ian Crossland]

This is his own money.

[Tate Banks]

What?

[Carter Banks]

All of his own money. What a patriot. Mark lynch is a true patriot and true Mr. Smith to Washington kind of a guy says, I just want a better life for my kids and my grandkids. And he says, I'm taking 5 mil out of my retirement account and it's going to help the Republic.

[Ian Crossland]

Why does Lindsey Graham want to go to war, like, all the time? I don't know, Lindsay.

[Carter Banks]

I don't know him. I haven't.

[Tim Pool]

Haven't talked to him yet. But he seems like he's detached when he talks. I don't know if you guys listen to him, like, do interviews and talk. He seems like he's kind of like, doesn't really. Not really with it.

[Ian Crossland]

He's the kind of guy where it's like, you and your friends are going to hang out, it's like a Saturday night, and you're like, hey, yo, Tate, like, what do you want to do? Tonight's like, oh, there's like, a new cosmic bowling alley that's opened up. Like, Ian, what do you think? And you're like, we can go. There's an open mic. And then Lindsay's like, we go to war with Iran. And we're like, anyway, so there's a bar, there's bench warmers and rants, and he goes, war with Iran, anybody? And we're like, what are you talking about? Nobody wants to go to war with Iran, dude. Why do you keep bringing it up?

[Carter Banks]

Well, he's been drunk on air, I don't know if you guys have seen a couple of times in the last month. I think that's also a rumor. He's literally been drunk on air. And he was drunk. He was getting in his car and he was drunk, and he was actually literally carrying the drink.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, wow.

[Ian Crossland]

Wait, he was driving.

[Carter Banks]

Well, so he has drivers, right? He was.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay. I mean, like, I'm not going to. I'm not going to complain about a guy having a beer, of course, but he's complaining about him wanting to go to war with Iran.

[Tate Banks]

So, like. And also the alcohol and with Lindsey Graham, like, you got to look at this guy as just a pure ladder climber. And if you, like, are in and around D.C. consistently, the worst people you'll ever met are these, like, ladder climbing types. And he's the, like, the epitome of that, where if you go back to 2016, where he, like, ran for president, by the way, I don't think people remember that he, like, tried to run for president. He called Trump a xenophobe, a racist. He called him a jackass. Like, he was cruel to President Trump. And then he said he voted for Evan McMullen.

[Tim Pool]

He did.

[Tate Banks]

And it's like, okay, it's one thing if you're like one of these neocons that like, you know, just said, oh, I didn't vote or whatever. But it's like to actively try and undermine the Republican is crazy. And that's kind of unforgivable in a lot of ways. If you haven't like directly come out and like made amends for it by supporting Trump's policy in any meaningful ways. Just coming back out and being like an establishment shill is far different than like guys that have sort of rehabilitated. Like, you know, J.D. vance is a good example of a guy that was opposed to Trump. Far less consequential cuz he was in elected office at the time. But then he's reoriented his policy to actually like reflect what the sort of Trump base supports. Lindsey Graham has not done it at one instance. It's just no humility. He's just like a loser, quite frankly.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's jump to this story from the New York Times published today. Quote, when you think of it, we shouldn't even have an election. That is a quote from Donald Trump. From Reuters. Five takeaways from the Reuters interview with President Trump in which he did literally say, they say the president expressed frustration that his Republican Party could lose control of the US House in the and or the Senate in this year's midterms elections, citing historical trends that have seen the party in power lose seats in the second year of the presidency. Quote, it's some deep psychological thing, but when you win the presidency, you don't win the midterms. Trump said he boasted that he had accomplished so much that, quote, when you think of it, we shouldn't even have an election. So the New York Times has compiled this article where they've brought up every time he said something to that effect in March of 2020, I have a right to do a lot of things that people don't even know about. In August 25th, I have a right to do anything I want to do. I'm the President of the United States of America. In an interview with the New York Times, Trump said, do you see any checks on your power? When they asked, do you see any checks on your power or to the world stage, he respond. He responded, yeah, there is one thing. My own morality, my own mind. It's the only thing that can stop me. And that's very good, dude. He, I'm sorry, just real quick, sorry. If, if the Democrats weren't so insane, I'd be concerned.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm a little concerned, but that's kind of my state of mind right now.

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[Tim Pool]

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[Carter Banks]

Such a great performer though. You got, you got to love it. You just got to love it. I mean, it's, he trigger the heck out of them. And it's great.

[Ian Crossland]

It's hilarious. We had a, let's, let's just say like this, like a C plus charisma Democrat who wasn't insane. I mean, like, you look at a 2004 Democrat that says we shouldn't have open borders, we shouldn't have illegal immigration. You look at a 90s Democrat, John Edwards. Yeah, yeah, seriously, give me that guy, mid tier charisma. He's going to beat Trump. Democrats are absolutely insane though. And so the shocking thing is much to counter what Trump is saying when he's like, well, you know, you lose the midterms. Democrat favorability is worse than Republican favorability right now by like 4 points. Democrats are underwater, which should not be happening in this cycle. The trend usually is the president does things, pisses people off, and so then everyone says, well, I'll vote for the other party this time around. The polling shows yes, individually in congressional districts, they're leaning Democrat, but these are single districts in key areas. The generic ballot right now is tied and favorability is. It is. The Republicans have it relative to Democrats, Democrats are underwater compared to Republicans. This is actually insane.

[Carter Banks]

You've still got the weirdo factor on the Democrat side of the ledger. They're just a bunch. There's just a bunch of weirdos and the country is still in this long hangover from these weirdos having been in charge. And they're like, oh my gosh, we can't.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, look at, look at Katie Porter. Yeah, she, she does this commercial where she's like, I'm Katie Porter and I'm a mom and you know, I've got kids. And my thought on this commercial was I understand what they're trying to do and it's not wrong. She's not campaigning for governor. She's saying, I'm just like you. And then in the end she goes, now will you all please get out of my shot. Which is a reference to when she screamed at her staffer. That's a great move for political junkies. That is a terrible move for regular voters who are going to go, I don't get it. What was that commercial? What is your argument? The Democrats have zero charisma. Even AOC is surface level culture war garbage or self awareness.

[Carter Banks]

They also have no self awareness. I mean that's, that's a perfect example of just totally unselfaware on behalf of these Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

Did you see Trump talking about Ilhan Omar? Oh my God, is amazing. I mean, I don't know if it's an old clip or whatever, but he's like. And then you got Ilhan Omar, she married her brother, I think, you know, and you can't do that. But otherwise very lovely couple, but you can't do that. It's just so good.

[Tim Pool]

I think Gavin Newsom stand up. He is, he is. I hope he does stand up when he retires. Gavin Newsom, I think is the most level headed Democrat and probably the most, the most realistic challenger to the Republican Party.

[Carter Banks]

He's been campaigning in South Carolina.

[Tim Pool]

I can't think of a more Gavin

[Carter Banks]

Newsom, South Carolina to visit.

[Ian Crossland]

He's the guy gearing up, I should

[Tim Pool]

say the most level headed presidential candidate from the day.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he sat down with Charlie and then pattered on the issue of trans kids and then the next opportunity flipped his opinion back.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but I think it's calculated. I think it's very smart, very, very cool people. You know, he looks the part. I don't. And I think he would give the Republicans a good debate.

[Ian Crossland]

He doesn't need that. You need to see the best out

[Tim Pool]

of these guys from real opposition. And I don't think anyone but Gavin's going to be able to provide that.

[Ian Crossland]

He doesn't look the part though. He looks like a, he looks like an action figure of the part. You got to get rid of that. Gavin Newsom looks like a guy who plays the president in a movie, not a president.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, if you go, get out of the hair, Jill. Do, like, cool water in your hair when you get out of the shower. Let it air dry.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, his. He looks like he's got work done.

[Carter Banks]

You know, I think it works, though, I got to say. Like, it's a casting job, and he's pretty well cast. And I. You know, I don't.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't. For a US President, when you think about who our presidents are, you need some gruff. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think he has got it.

[Carter Banks]

I. Mitt Romney couldn't get it done, and he. Yeah, too perfectly quaffed. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

Obama had charisma. When did you guys. This is a big issue. When DeSantis was announcing his presidency, his candidacy. I'm sorry. And he. And he does that X space, which is a terrible idea. And he goes, well, I'm here to bring back the great American. You know, I don't remember what he said. What did he say?

[Carter Banks]

He had, like, a.

[Tate Banks]

Something gay.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, you have, like, a whole trailer.

[Carter Banks]

And it was just really bad.

[Ian Crossland]

And it was really bad. And Barack Obama on stage in front of 10,000 people says, we will win this presidency or something like that. Everyone's screaming and he's loud and he's raw and like, you got to have that. Gavin Newsom does not have that.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Evan Newsom has the weasel. Well, you know, it's got a DeSantis vibe to him. I like DeSantis. DeSantis doing great in Florida, but he wasn't going to make it as president.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, DeSantis definitely, like. Like, rehabbed his image really well because that was, like, a disaster. And also, he had some. Some sort of consultant giving him terrible advice where he.

[Carter Banks]

Jeff Rowe.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah. And he was like, what you should do is you should emulate Trump. So, you know, Trump will come out and say, we're gonna beat the hell out of the left. And everyone's like, yeah, yeah. And then DeSantis would come out and he'd be like, we're gonna slit the throat of wokeness. And everyone's like, dude, what is wrong?

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, no, no, no. The elevator boots.

[Tate Banks]

Oh, yeah, the elevator boots.

[Ian Crossland]

You could see, like, his foot pressed against the front of the boot. It was clear that he was wearing lifts.

[Tim Pool]

If not, well, Newsom, who would be another? Because there's another guy. R.A. manuel, I think you guys have talked about. I don't know him.

[Ian Crossland]

I haven't got it.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, then I can't think of another human Democrat.

[Ian Crossland]

Don't have it. And Republicans have Too many.

[Tim Pool]

They got that aoc, Gavin Newsom, AOC

[Ian Crossland]

ain't never going to win the presidency. I mean, well, maybe in 30, 40 years, but not right now.

[Tim Pool]

Will they run Kamala? I just heard Kamala's considering running back Hillary.

[Ian Crossland]

Hillary is going to make it less votes.

[Tate Banks]

Watch Hillary dominating the polling right now for the Democrats by like 30, 40 points.

[Tim Pool]

And if she wants to run, I

[Ian Crossland]

got, I got to be honest, if, like, if Hillary actually came up, but this time she dropped the guys and just dressed like the necromancer she is, I'd have more respect for her.

[Tim Pool]

I'd listen to her.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd be like, oh, she's being honest now.

[Tate Banks]

This whole discussion is fascinating. I don't know if you guys remember, like in your civics class, they had this story about the 1960 presidential election where it was Nixon v. Kennedy. And the story goes something along the lines of in the presidential debate. It was the first ever televised presidential debate. And Kennedy and Nixon were debating and Kennedy, you know, he's like tanned and like, had good posture and he was smiling and that sort of thing. And then Nixon was like, you know, this is the story. He was like sweating and unshaved and unkempt and stuff. And so what they said was the polling for radio listeners, they all said, well, Nixon, you know, performed quite well. I think he held his own. But then the television, you know, watchers said, well, Kennedy was obviously the decisive victor there. And I remember, like, people would always repeat that in civics class. And I just remember I looked up the picture and like, you can't even tell any of that is true. With Nixon, the resolution was a bit.

[Ian Crossland]

And the screens were so tiny. Here's an idea.

[Tate Banks]

I think the election was, was a stolen.

[Ian Crossland]

No one can announce their presidency. All candidates are anonymous. You don't know their names. And we go through, we go through a primary where the candidates, they can buy billboards and say candidate 47, quote, and you don't know who it is. And if you like what they're saying, I will enact this policy. Then when it comes to the primary, you can choose candidate 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, etc. Etc. And then when it comes to the general, you still don't know who you're electing.

[Carter Banks]

Sortition.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, you're, you're voting for the ideas that you've collected around the candidate.

[Carter Banks]

Yep, yep, yep, that's it. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And then like some like Gollum looking dude goes like, thank you for voting for me.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, there's the. There's the. Some libertarian theory that sortition, like literally just total lottery or the. Then the phone book thing is like any. Anybody out of the phone book.

[Ian Crossland]

I actually really like the idea of what's called demarcic Congress. That's where you get congressional duty. So the way it would work is one day you hear knock on the door and there's a guy standing there with like a sling bag, and you open and you're like, can I help you? And he goes, certified mail for, you know, Mr. Brown. And then Tate would be like, what is it? And it's like, oh, I got Congress duty. It's like in. It is a check for like 2 grand so you can come to DC to serve your term to like, get you there. Then they're like, okay, you're going to be in Congress this month. We're going to have a bunch of bills presented, and then you have to serve a month or two months in Congress. Then you go back home and you're not in Congress duty anymore. And the reason why some argue for it is that you're not going to be in Congress long enough to insider trade or benefit from it. And if you vote for something that betrays the people, you'll come home to an angry mob.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, perfect. It couldn't be worse than it is now, right?

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, that's true. I mean, you did read like some of these, like, local posts back in the day when guys would get elected. A lot of them, like, get elected against their will. Right. Like, they would just be like, this guy is awesome. You should, you know, and then they would push him across the finish line. And actually you kind of had this with Eisenhower a little bit, where Eisenhower never really seemed to like, have presidential aspirations, but he was just so beloved in the country that you actually had both parties begging him to run for on their ticket, which is really funny.

[Tim Pool]

He was. The guy basically won World War II, effectively.

[Tate Banks]

Eisenhower and Marshall. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's great. Leaders, when they're begged to serve, you know, when they're, when they're called to duty and they say, yes, I will.

[Ian Crossland]

This is apparently how Athens did it. Officials were appointed at random every year.

[Tim Pool]

Interesting.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's called democracy.

[Tim Pool]

Difference between like monarchy, where people make the argument. The thing about monarchies is they're very agile because one Guy lives for 40 years, he. He knows what's going to happen in 30 years. He plans long, he can move fast. Whereas if you have constant revolution of new people. Yeah, this disorganism, you know, except at scale.

[Ian Crossland]

The problem is a singular authority or committee can't adapt fast enough to a massive economy.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why these, like the Soviet Union did not work. And that's why China adapted by doing a hybrid between communism and capitalism, which the United States does all the same with. What's called a mixed economy.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, yeah. So like, yeah, in the sense of, I guess you would say, dictators, monarchs, et cetera, they're much more agile at the foreign policy level.

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[Tate Banks]

Like they can make 30, 40, 50 year plans for your geopolitical strategy. But to Tim's point, if something goes wrong in the economy or if you need to make economic adjustments, they're not as reactive to the people, they're not getting punished at the ballot box as often. And so that's why the American economy is so dynamic, is because these congressmen, they know the one thing they can't afford to screw up on is the economy.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm gonna explain it in a way that regular people can understand. Donald Trump's at a slot machine and he's hitting thousand dollar spins on Huff and Puff, right? He's just hitting that button and it's spinning. And the Democrats are, the wife going, what are you doing? You're wasting all our money on a slot machine. And he's like, just let me do it. And then right before he's about to hit the last one, which would have hit the jackpot, she grabs his wrist and says, we're going home now. And he's like, but I just lost 50 grand. And she's like, you're not losing our last thousand. But if you just would hit that button. See, that's the thing about the midterms. You got to let Trump cook. Let him, let him spin the wheel until he hits that jackpot. I'm kidding, by the way, but that's

[Tate Banks]

kind of true meme where the guy is like mining for diamonds and he stops right before.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Tim Pool]

With the AI revolution. I keep using that word. I was trying to stop using that word so much. It's like, hold on for dear life, let's go. The entire economy is shifting and changing right now. Elon Musk's plaintively said multiple times, we're moving away from a money economy to literal electricity and the ability to move a payload around. If you have those two things, you're not going to need any money at all. Anyone's not going to need it.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, can we? Can we? So there's this viral story right now that I gotta do more research into. But Ro Khanna being accused of serious malfeasance. Yeah, there's this huge report that was put out using a bunch of data. It's available on GitHub, you can run it. And apparently he's like one of the top insider traders. And a lot. Let's just say there's a lot of accusations against him for impropriety and complaint with the Ethics Committee has been filed. You know, I'm reading this report and I'm just thinking the wealthy people in our country, again, this is a populist argument. The left will claim it, but no, it's a populist argument. There are too many people in this country who make money for doing things that add no value.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, no, I think that's 100% true. I mean, look, there's something to be said about, like, hereditary bureaucrats. Like in England or in the United Kingdom, they've abolished the House of Lords, the hereditary peers, as in people that inherited their seat in the House of Lords from their father, father, father, grandfather, et cetera. And there's actually something to be said about sort of being primed to rule. Like, okay, you know that your one job in life is to do well by your people, and you're being primed for that position. There is something to be said about that. On the opposite end of the spectrum, there's actually. And people roll their eyes at this, but there's something to be said about direct democracy. And by direct democracy, I mean, like, they actually propose a policy and then everyone in the entire country weighs in. Because if you actually look at how this works in practice, you actually end up with a conservative policy platform. Typically, like, Switzerland's a good example. Every time a sort of popular liberal policy comes up to the docket in Switzerland, voters reject it. And anytime there's, again, like, more conservative policy proposals, voters reward that and they vote for that. Like, they just. It's gonna go up for vote soon is they wanna cap their population at 10 million, which is effectively gonna, like, destroy their immigration system, which is great. It looks like that's going to pass. Yeah, it looks like it's going to pass. Another great example is California, where, if you remember California, they used to have lots of. Of ballot, lots of ballot measures. For example, gay marriage went up in like, 0908 09. Voters rejected it. They said, no, we want to keep it as it is. So there's something to be said about both. And I think maybe the United States, the Republican model, actually does kind of

[Carter Banks]

in 2014, Oregon rejected giving illegal aliens driver's licenses. Yeah, by, by 2 to 1 it was 66, you know, the 30, whatever. And they just totally destroyed it. And so, and you know, the SAVE act comes to mind when you're talking about these, these sorts of things. 85% of the population wants the SAVE Act. It's just we have fair elections.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

And that's the context of this whole, you know, uncomfortableness we have here.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to jump to this story from the Daily Mail. Religious leaders told Prepare now for UFO disclosure to unleash Bible changing revelations. Perry Stone, a well known evangelist, author and Bible teacher from Tennessee, warned that fellow pastors were recently invited to a secret meeting with US Intelligence officials to prepare for the release of secret files on extraterrestrials. According to Stone, the officials warned a small group of pastors of the large reach in the Christian community. The government was about to release reports and possibly videos of aliens and spacecraft which were not from this planet. Seriously? Donald Trump recently just said they're going to be releasing very interesting UFO files. Now, others have tweeted corroborating this claim, saying that they were in these meetings. I don't know if these meetings actually happened, but considering everything we've heard with these missing scientists, some of these crazy stories, as well as one very important linear element to the story, over the past several years, they have been trickling out information on aliens and UFOs that I believe, whether intentionally or not.

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tate Banks]

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[Tim Pool]

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for healing, learn more and sign the pledge. At workingwithcancerpledge.com we'll desensitize us to the official announcement of the existence of Aliens. For example, you had Tim Burchette saying, man, if the people dead government heard what I was briefed on, this country would be chaos. And you had Matt Gaetz saying alien hybridization programs are happening, which is weird. George Sandoz coming on the show and saying before entering Congress he did not believe in aliens. After leaving, he now does. This has been six plus years of information slowly being released in the news that has people talking about the existence of aliens, strange sightings in outer space, weird vehicles and objects. The Oumua thing. Now this story, the conspiracy theory is that this is all intentional trickling out of information readying people so that finally when they announce aliens are real, they're gonna go duh. It's like been six years. We've heard all these stories before. We're not surprised.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Carter Banks]

We're being groomed for the pros.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. If you're trying to like take over someone's immune system and you give enough of the virus, they'll be infected. So when you give them the thing, they'll be infected. But if you give them not enough, they get vaccination.

[Ian Crossland]

Vaccination, yeah, they become immun. Immune.

[Tim Pool]

I become immune to it. But some people probably are.

[Ian Crossland]

It says it's actually an idea that you brought up a long time ago, information vaccination, where you provide someone bits of this story in advance. So when the big news hits and they see it, they already understand and they can't be tricked.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And there's a segment that are ready for it for whatever. Bless you, sir.

[Ian Crossland]

Thank you. In this instance, they've trickled out little bits of the story and thus our psyches have adapted to it to the point where if they showed of a piece, I think the next move, the reason why this seems plausible to me is if I was tasked and said, Tim, we want to unveil aliens are real. We want to tell the whole world about it. What do we do? I'd say, well, the biggest concern of course is going to be various religious groups because the existence of aliens could defy their moral or their faith based worldview. This has been written about time and time again in sci fi and otherwise. You will have to go to religious leaders and ask them for their advice and how to guide those who are faithful to figure out the right way to release information, whatever it may be.

[Carter Banks]

So I gotta ask about the Smith Mundt Act. Have we. Is that still in effect? Did Barack Obama repealed. Smith put it in place.

[Ian Crossland]

So the misconception people have on that is that it meant that the Voice of America could be rebroadcast in the United States. There's no circumstance where. Let me just make this people think Obama made propaganda legal. No, he made it so that the existing international propaganda we have could be broadcast in the United States. The CIA has always been propagandizing the United States, like the American people, illegally. So Obama didn't have to do anything about that.

[Carter Banks]

It was just already there.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Is that what this is though? Is this like MK Ultra? Like, you know, whatever the new iteration, next iteration of it is.

[Ian Crossland]

Or it could be aliens.

[Tim Pool]

I think it is. Personally, I think that. And I'll say, I think the reason they're going to churches is because people that believe Earth religions are believing without evidence or without proof. They have evidence from their book and their, their teachings, but they don't have the like scientific proof. And those people that believe things without proof I think are easier to propagandize when that.

[Carter Banks]

Touching on that, remember they found that like alien in Mexico. They said it was like an alien body. Like, I think it's like three years.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, but those were all fake.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, they totally weren't.

[Ian Crossland]

Cake. But then someone made a video where they're like, it's cake. The point I was going to make though is that if I was tasked with doing this with like, if they said, tim, how do we unveil aliens of the world? I'd say go to religious first. I'd say trickle out stories, sightings, people you can trust. The military, they've got some. One of the highest trust ratings the American public. They're going to say they witnessed it. People believe them. Then you're going to put out stories of scientific reports of things in the sky. Talk to religious leaders. The next move, I'd say is release video that purports to show something that might be some kind of body. You don't want the video released to show an alien outright. People would just not believe. They freak out. You want a video showing what may be a body and some kind of unexplainable phenomenon and it's gotta be certified by a military witness. That's what I would do. I'm not saying it's what. What's gonna happen if a video gets released by the US Government and it's. And you. And you've got a guy in the Air Force being like, I personally filmed this thing and watched it happen. And it's a video that seems to be of potentially a strange creature. We don't know for sure what they would. What, what the best Way to do it is to be like a silhouette, hard to see on a military operation with night vision goggles or something. And the, the whatever it is moves its hand and an object moves along with it and then the person goes move, move, move. And then the video ends really quickly and they say, we don't know what happened. We don't know was for all we know is a natural phenomenon in a person. But it opens up, people's minds, are asking questions. And then the story goes massively viral. Joe Rogan talks about it 500 times. Then people start going, I wonder if it's aliens. Or like that story at the mall in Florida where people were like they saw something there and a weird thing happened. You trickle that out, you, that's the first video. And then people are going to be less shocked if another video comes out showing something more clear. And then two, three years later with more moves like this, people are going to be like, oh yeah, another one of these aliens.

[Tim Pool]

My personal immunity, I'm ready for deep fakes of all kinds videos. But I'm sorry, just as you were talking, I'm thinking this modern, you're not going to expect the next big one, the next big false flag or whatever, that they're going to use technology that can implant thoughts in your head, dreams literally.

[Carter Banks]

So people, Inception.

[Tim Pool]

Well they'll be having dreams of these aliens and then the government's going to start saying we're in contact with them. But for all we know they could be using high frequency from orbit to like, you know, Havana Center.

[Carter Banks]

So I fully, I fully expect them to like sort of Operation Blue Beam Jesus, like on a white chariot with horses and stuff like that. And then there'll be another sort of like Covid type scenario and then that'll be the Rapture because like a bunch of, you know, 100, whatever, you know, billions of people will disappear.

[Tim Pool]

They do have the technology with like talking plasma to teleport imagery that you can project sound through. So like a giant like a one off event of like Jesus in the sky or something. And then paired with like some cataclysm, limited illusion too.

[Carter Banks]

It's on tv. It's not like it's like our wars now.

[Ian Crossland]

Our wars.

[Carter Banks]

We go to war now based on a limited illusion. Right? That's what October 7th was. October 7th was absolutely a limited illusion. I think we can say that obviously whatever's going on in Ukraine, we're talking about limited illusions now. We're talking about whatever's happening in. Well, we know in Iran there wasn't even any actual, like, you know, fissile nuclear material. And so, I mean, according to Tulsi. And so. And then we get dragged into these conflicts. The future of war is now they know they're going to have a hard time with, you know, world. Little legit World War Three, right. You can't muster the will to drag everybody into that. So what you do is you do these little limited illusions, and then you got, boom, you got your trillion bucks.

[Tim Pool]

Right? That's actually the kind of. The plot of 1984 is the limited, the forever limited, war across the sea

[Carter Banks]

with the new enemy.

[Tim Pool]

And the old enemy is now your ally. And you've always been fighting the old enemy. You've always been fighting the new guy. Don't even think about it. Just watch the TV very much. And to do that with like an alien psyop or something, with a Jesus psyop. And then if the Internet goes down, like, if something tragic happens after people, it's like the big news cycle and then the power goes out, like the

[Carter Banks]

radio war of the Worlds. Right. Remember that? Everybody thought it was real. Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But if the.

[Carter Banks]

I don't. I don't know. I don't know. What. What would England for another one of those in the new medium, though, right?

[Tim Pool]

Like, if the US were to do that to itself and cut out their own Internet.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Let's go to the next story.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, we're still on the same story. Another reported attendee, American evangelist and podcaster Tony Merkel, added the government officials who held the meeting expressed concerns with the impact of UFO disclosure on organized religion. Merkel said, I came in contact with these guys more than a year ago now, and I've been in touch with them, communicating with them, and their heart is to prepare the body of Christ for what's coming. These guys are a part of, let's say they're Christians and intelligence operations, and they are specifically geared towards. Initially, it was to gather evidence and data on what's going on behind the scenes within the disclosure community. The three pastors warned that when the US government finally releases the historic report about UFOs and extraterrestrials, it will not just be surprising news they believe will be part of a plot designed to pull people away from faith in Jesus, man.

[Tim Pool]

They might. They might actually attack the Earth from outer space and say it was like. Like that could be a false flag. It's like, we just.

[Carter Banks]

We know it's Q 4.0. Right? I mean, if you think about it, like, there's this faith that these folks

[Ian Crossland]

had, you know, the fun, the funny thing is, it's not going to unify the left and the right. No, the left. The left is going to be like, they can just come here and take all of our stuff. We're fine with it. And the right's going to be like, they got to immigrate here legally. You can't just come from outer space.

[Tim Pool]

So you were saying that they.

[Tate Banks]

Amnesty for the invasion.

[Carter Banks]

Exactly. Give them benefits.

[Tim Pool]

They think that it's their new voters. They think so. The narrative is the military. These people are concerned that if this happens without the pastors being prepped, their faith will.

[Carter Banks]

Will be.

[Ian Crossland]

What they're saying is the pastor, these guys are going to them and saying, prepare your congregations because we've got proof of aliens existing. And the pastor is saying, I think they're trying to trick people to ditch Christianity.

[Carter Banks]

Yes, they are. That's what Q was. I got to say that's what Q was. If you look, tracks like 17, 18 coming into 2020. Remember Q. A lot of people were saying, oh, this is the first time that I've had such a spiritual experience. It was very spiritual in nature. Q was okay in the first iteration Q. I call it Q 1.0. And it was trust the plan. Don't worry about it. There's. There's white hats, there's tens of thousands of sealed indictments, yada, yada, you don't have to do anything. We've got this going into 2020. What happens? TRUMP loses. As soon as that happened, there was this massive crisis in faith among all of those Q. People who were prone to a religion, of course, they're. A lot of them are very good Christian people. But as soon as Trump lost and Biden won and I. What I believe, of course, was, you know, an election that wasn't rightly decided. Many, many tens and thousands, hundreds of probably millions of people's faith, literal faith in Jesus was utterly shattered.

[Tim Pool]

So those people have a vacuum of. Of.

[Carter Banks]

And I see the same thing, same pattern kind of playing out here.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, so this is like the disruption of the Christian version of Q. Like if Christianity was Q. They're about to shatter their will.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. No, I think that there's an overt operation specifically targeted at Christians in order to try to destroy their faith. I say this as a person of faith. I fully believe in Q.

[Tim Pool]

That's what I was getting at.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

What I was getting at earlier with the alien stories, like, my brother called me after that and was like, man, I'm really going to need your help explaining to me how this squares with religion, because if there actually are aliens and they tell me that that's going to blow my whole apart. So, like, that is kind of correct. Correct, sir.

[Ian Crossland]

That's it, man.

[Tim Pool]

I, I, well, I think Jesus was awesome and I think God's real. I don't want, I mean, I don't want people to believe things without proof.

[Carter Banks]

But there's a lot of proof for Christ. That's another, that's another show.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if proof is the right word. There's a lot of evidence, but there's some evidence, I would say. But a lot of it's based on its own statement, so it's hard to surprise.

[Ian Crossland]

The problem is most things we think we know don't have proof.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, science is about where I draw the line, generally. Science, the scientific method and science.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, what proof do you have that the earth is round? Right. You have a lot of evidence.

[Tim Pool]

Sures.

[Ian Crossland]

And yeah, admittedly a lot of evidence. The issue is that the word proof means something typically refers to something you can see that makes that, that shows it is irrefutable. And the challenge with the earth being round is that it's a collection of evidences that you would need to analyze. So for instance, when they do the test where you take, you take two pieces of wood with a hole in them, move them really far apart, shine a light through one end, do you have to raise the camera to see it as a common test for the curvature of the earth? You would have to understand the math, otherwise you would not understand what you were seeing.

[Tim Pool]

And another piece of evidence is like every other celestial body that we know of, almost as round is a sphere that we can tell, we can see them plaintively, so sort of assumes that we are, but it's just an assumption based off of a heavy dose of evidence. Still an assumption, technically. I don't know, man. I've had my ups and downs in love and hate with religions and religious religiosity, but I fear for those people that they will be twisted by government narratives and which could be even worse than believing in, you know, in the faith of Christianity itself without, without proof.

[Carter Banks]

I, yeah, well, because what's the, what's the, the comments, the problem reaction, solution. And now we're the government and we're here to help. I mean, that's, that's the setup right now you need more government.

[Tim Pool]

Dude, if people gave up Christianity, I feel like that'd be real bad. I'm not even a Christian, but the morals are like guiding lights for humanity for a large segment of it. And if, if, if the military tried to take, I don't think you call it the military, but if the, the, if the machine tried to take people away from that. And like, one thing, if, like, yeah, the Catholic Church lied to you, whatever, Jesus was still legit. He was hip to it, dude, he talked to God, God loved him, God knew him. And so God may very well be real. But, but that doesn't mean that you gotta, like, I don't know, obsess over everything they tell you is true and say, okay, I don't know where you're going. Just the Bible, this thing happened, and this thing happened.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, to bring it back around, you're talking about aliens.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I know. It's just one big spin in my head.

[Tate Banks]

I mean, there is some truth, the fact that even if you're not even remotely Christian, your presuppositions as a Westerner are still built on fundamentally Christian values, Christian morality, et cetera, et cetera. And you even see this with how countries specifically in Central Europe that are citing very high rates of atheism, the way that they still perceive morality and the way they still conduct themselves are still very reminiscent of Christianity. So it's not even the fumes of Christianity. It has a very lingering effect. And when you construct your society around that, you can't really decouple it from it. I think the only way to truly decouple Christianity from Western society would be to destroy Western society itself entirely.

[Carter Banks]

Replace Christians on the North American continent, maybe.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah. I mean, would that do it? It's certainly a strat in the world.

[Tim Pool]

I found that you can be skeptical about the facts in the Bible that they tell you this thing happened, be skeptical about that, but still live the virtue of the Bible. And that would be, I think that's a healthy way to live. Even if, no matter what, just beginning and then decide later if you want

[Tate Banks]

to get into that, that's what's happening is, I mean, pretty much all of these Western countries, their legal codes and just the way that society has decided to construct like ethics and that sort of thing stem from sort of biblical commandments and biblical morality. And so even if you try to decouple yourself from Christianity as much as possible, make all these adown, et cetera, et cetera, adopt social positions that are maybe abrasive to conventional Christian morality, still your fundamental assumptions are going to be predicated on Christianity. And there's just no way out of that unless you Just cease to become a Westerner. I mean, that is just. It's directly intertwined with the West. So, okay, you could have the window dressing of your pro gay marriage or pro abortion, that sort of thing, but it's like your fundamental assumptions will still come from Christian morality if people are

[Tim Pool]

taken away from the belief. Because I think. Carter, were you saying the Bible itself claims that there are no other aliens are not real? And that's the.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, I don't really know. I have not read it myself.

[Tate Banks]

The presumption would be that we're the only sentient beings.

[Tim Pool]

So if that changes and people are like, oh, maybe the Bible's full of it. Am I really a Christian? You can still have faith in God and live the virtue of Christ.

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[Tim Pool]

chianity without having to think. You have to believe every word in that thing. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

When the aliens come, they're demons.

[Carter Banks]

That too, or they can all coexist in one thing. Kind of like God is like one circle and aliens are in the smaller

[Tate Banks]

circle inside of that because that's. That's. That's kind of been the.

[Carter Banks]

Do the demons get to vote?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, if you're. The Democrats are gonna let him do it. Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tate Banks]

And, you know, I'm not trying to use this word to be mean, but I think the workaround people have utilized when they're approaching the alien decision is to say that, you know, this is Coming from like devout Christians is to say that there are demons. My personal position, I don't think there's any extraterrestrial life whatsoever. So I'm not terribly worried. And I do, I will say that again, if there were, that might challenge my assumptions.

[Ian Crossland]

Why do you think there is?

[Tate Banks]

Because I just. There hasn't been any evidence. I mean it's like, okay, there's sort of indications or maybe you could.

[Ian Crossland]

You mean intelligent? Yeah, because I think life.

[Tim Pool]

Bacterial life on Mars.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah. But like as far as like actual sentient life, I just don't think.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, intelligent, fully formed.

[Tate Banks]

Sure, yeah. I mean if there's like, if they find a bacteria on a super planet or something, I'd be like, okay, it's the moon.

[Tim Pool]

The moon has changed this place. It apparently was another planet that smashed through Earth, you know, four billion years ago. Theia planet Thea if you want to watch and came out the other side, molten globe that like cooled. It's a unique moon in the solar system. And like universally you don't see these moon types just hangs there and it's resultant in these big brained mammoids, you know, these, these, these mammals, these tall thunder waves. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Underwaves. Crazy creatures.

[Tim Pool]

These. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I was thinking, I don't know what your religion is, but it must be a wild read.

[Carter Banks]

The Nephilim.

[Tim Pool]

So wild.

[Carter Banks]

The Nephilim. It's the Nephilim.

[Tim Pool]

It's be as still as you can.

[Ian Crossland]

Ian wrote down his religion book, he'd create like a new Harry Potter series.

[Carter Banks]

I'll do it. Roald Dahl wrote the book. It's called the bfg. The big. Ah, the bfg.

[Tate Banks]

The Big freaking giant. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So without our moon, I don't know that any planet can sustain intelligent sentient life. But without a moon like ours, and without two planets having collided, I don't know that one would form like that.

[Tate Banks]

There's the common stat that's cited so much by Christian apologists that it's almost kitschy at this point, but it is like pretty impactful and true is that again, if the Earth were suspended, you know, maybe 100, 200 miles closer to the sun or further away from the sun, then it wouldn't be sustainable for human life. And so I know that's commonly cited, people roll their eyes.

[Ian Crossland]

Not only that, but the atmosphere that we have allows us to manipulate elements with combustion with heat. The proper balance of oxygen allows us to make fire to extract different metals from each other. If there was intelligent life on a water planet, they ain't Going nowhere. If the planet was slightly larger, we could not launch rockets into space and make satellites. The, the, the, the gravity versus the propulsion from the fuel. The ratio would be off. It is perfect, this planet, for, for us to do exactly what we're doing.

[Carter Banks]

Amen.

[Ian Crossland]

And that being said, you can make up a million one arguments for like maybe there's a different planet where everything's made of magnets or something. So weird stuff happens. I don't know. Yeah, because for us, the stuff we've discovered has been perfectly aligned.

[Tim Pool]

They think when the moon formed that what happened was the sun spit out like 28, roughly 28 planetoids. Just like I think through a Z pinch or through like a binary star collision, it ejaculated all this matter into the solar system. And two planets because they're magnetic and like planets are like diminished magnetism. They're neutralized because they're spheroid. But, and I think that's what gravity is, but they're pulled towards each other naturally. So if, if a star were to spit out a bunch of planetoids, it's definitely, I don't know what the odds would be of two of them getting into the same orbital path and smashing into each other.

[Carter Banks]

But by the way, gravity is a theory too. By the way, I love how gravity is theory.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you guys ever heard of the, the puddle allegory?

[Tate Banks]

Not sure.

[Ian Crossland]

There is a puddle of water, looks around and says, wow, I fit perfectly in this hole. This hole must have been made for me. Crazy doesn't understand that actually the puddle fits to the hole, not the other way around. The only issue is there's a. That argument is often presented by atheists when they say that people look at Earth, they think, why is it so perfect for us here? It must have been made for us instead of arguing that we actually conform to the Earth instead of the other way around. The problem is the Moon. The moon is the perfect distance from the Earth to the sun to create effectively a one for one eclipse. Now I'm not saying that's proof of anything. I'm just saying that kind of negates that we fit perfectly on the Earth when something outside of the Earth exists in a way that, that is also mathematically unique. Not to mention Jupiter is unique.

[Carter Banks]

What are the odds Jupiter is a

[Ian Crossland]

great filter for the solar system? That Earth likely could not have life if there was not Jupiter? Because Jupiter creates a gravitational pull that keeps debris from slamming into Earth and the inner planets. It's pretty wild when you look at all the math.

[Carter Banks]

Yep, it's pretty. It's pretty crazy, but it still does.

[Ian Crossland]

Arguably, one could say that's still puddle theory in that it's a tremendously astronomically difficult system together for life to exist. But in the end, I look at all that stuff and I think the problem with all of these arguments from atheists is that the presumption is that God must be like a literal guy floating around on a cloud who like puts his arms down and goes, makes things happen. Instead of the universe is billions of years old and there is a great mechanism, a logos in play that the plan is beyond our comprehension. And you don't need a guy to magically appear in front of you to snap his fingers and make a sandwich appear for there to be a structure to God's plan.

[Carter Banks]

The mystery of faith.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, like a. I think of it often as a force field God, like in concentric force fields like fields within fields within fields, all twisting and bringing things together. So like when you pray, gratitude for having something in life, that's why that will appear. Or oftentimes why like placebo effect works. Because God is literally in this conception twisting and pulling things towards you in all matter, space, time. It seems like it's vacuous, but it is really density in all this and God's in all of it. All these force fields spinning.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, let's jump to this story from cnn. Three people to be evacuated from hantavirus hit cruise ship in coming hours. This story is crazy. Six people I believe was the latest report got hantavirus. Three died. People on the ship are posting videos, panicking. They're isolated. This virus causes hemorrhagic fever. I guess it makes your internal organs bleed and then your kidneys fail. And just in time for an election. Pandemic fears for all those who are traumatized by Covid. I suppose a lot of people. This is one of the mass trending, biggest trending stories of the day. I guess people are scared about the potential for human to human transmission in Hantavirus. Normally you get it by inhaling particles of rodent feces. Yeah. So don't live in a rodent infested place.

[Carter Banks]

No word on whether they flew to their cruise on Spirit Airlines. We done? We don't have that yet. No yet.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's gone. It's gone.

[Tim Pool]

Is it officially? Close the door?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah. Apparently it shattered like recently. Right?

[Carter Banks]

They're done? Yeah, just the last day or two.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Have you guys ever been on a cruise before?

[Ian Crossland]

No, I have been on a cruise.

[Carter Banks]

I have going to Go to the Bahamas.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not.

[Ian Crossland]

Now this is a long cruise that was going like from South America, up and around, like Spain or something.

[Tate Banks]

They were, they were hitting all the South Atlantic islands. So Island, St Helena.

[Tim Pool]

Did they have rats on board?

[Tate Banks]

So they had. The cruise ship company is saying no, the cruise ship. But you gotta think here, okay, well, who in this whole story would be incentivized to deny that there's rats on their ship? It's gonna be the cruise ship company. That being said, what's likely that's happening here. So the who lady came out and she said, well, there's no rats on board. So she's sort of putting the who's stake on the fact that there's gonna be no rats on board. What's still likely is one of two things, which is one, the hantavirus, actually they call this the Andy strain. So the Andy strain, and this is not my purview, this is just my understanding of the situation. I was listening to like a science Stanford disease virus expert talk about this. And the andostrain is the only known strain of Hansavirus that can be transmitted from human to human. That being said, the only way for it to actually spread is by close quarters with other human beings that are infected for an extended period of time. So a cruise ship in theory would become a petri dish for this sort of thing, but it's unlikely that it could spread just in passing like Covid, in theory, did. And so, so all that to be said, the Andes strain, as you can tell by the name, is found in South America. And so this is where they suspect that patient zero contracted a Hansa virus. Was again in port. The boat left from Ushuaia, Argentina, which is at the very southern tip of Argentina. And it's actually, there's cases that get reported quite often. I mean, not like at high volume, but often enough that it's noted that, okay, there's a specific strain that exists in South America and it can. It's the only strain of Hansa virus that can be transmitted human to human. Very unlikely for that to happen. But again, a cruise ship is a likely petri dish for that to occur. So it's very unfortunate, it's very tragic. But again, Stanford and a lot of other people, again, that are experts in this field have come out and said they're not terribly worried about this sort of spreading en masse. Again, kinda what I heard, just routine quarantine. Again, like people act like the first time people ever got quarantined was Covid people get quarantined for stuff that all the time. In this instance, they're doing contact tracing. They're going to hopefully quarantine the right people. And again, even if it became a thing, it would happen in Argentina, most likely, because that seems to be where they picked it up at. They would be able to just again, quarantine chunks of the population. And it shouldn't spread globally. Like the.

[Carter Banks]

The.

[Tate Banks]

The indication this could turn into a pandemic seems to be like, low likelihood, one wrench, and everything is. There was, I believe it was the captain of the ship or. Sorry. The ship's doctor did speculate that the virus is behaving in a way that wouldn't be as typical with a hantavirus. Now, that could just be because he's in fight or flight mode right now. He actually just contracted it, according to some latest reports.

[Ian Crossland]

Really?

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, but it makes sense. He's a doctor.

[Ian Crossland]

Should we scuttle the ship and then just set it ablaze?

[Tate Banks]

Well, yeah. So there. Some people have proposed that Trump takes the Venezuela approach here and just double taps the ship. I've heard that posture. Currently, the plan is we're going to dock, well, in the Canary Islands and then do some, like, routine desensitization. But that's an option that we could just kill.

[Ian Crossland]

Did you see the video where the guy's crying, being like, we're not just a story. We are people and we are scared or whatever.

[Tate Banks]

Theater kid on board, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Like, I'm trying to be mean because I'm like, I get it. Scary. But the dude is crying and saying nothing. He's like, we're on a boat and it's not just a story. I'm like, yeah, we know that.

[Tate Banks]

Batman couldn't get that video out of me. That's crazy. I have no. He can't keep frame whatsoever. It's like, dude, I get it scary. But, like, you got to dial in

[Carter Banks]

a little bit here.

[Tate Banks]

Like, everyone's gonna see this. You're the first guy to put a video out. It's gonna go everywhere. Like, keep frame, keep composure. Don't freak out, because now everyone thinks you're just like a theater kid. As I just speculated.

[Carter Banks]

Really don't want you back on the list.

[Tate Banks]

Worst thing that could ever happen to you is to be labeled a theater kid.

[Tim Pool]

I was a theater kid.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Just gotta want to get ahead of it.

[Tate Banks]

You don't identify as a theater.

[Tim Pool]

And I'll never have to again.

[Carter Banks]

I've seen theater in my day.

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[Tate Banks]

Like, you know, I Did theater for a week and I was kicked out.

[Tim Pool]

Really? That's. You'd be good at it.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, man.

[Tim Pool]

My theater nerd friends didn't like cinema, so I stopped watching movies for like six years.

[Tate Banks]

Oh, really?

[Tim Pool]

That was weird.

[Carter Banks]

That's hardcore.

[Tim Pool]

It was like a cult. Not really like, but they were like, we don't watch movies.

[Tate Banks]

Was it like a Scorsese thing where he's like, all the movies now are just trash?

[Tim Pool]

He didn't like any movies. He was like, we're not into this cinema.

[Tate Banks]

I was like, well, they're all their jobs. That's like, AI.

[Ian Crossland]

Kind of.

[Tim Pool]

So we just read scripts and did

[Carter Banks]

we believe in nothing?

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, but, yeah, this is worth keeping an eye on. I mean, look, obviously the appetite for. For a global pandemic is there. I mean, cause for one. I mean, it would dethrone a lot of political regimes around the world that are unpopular right now, but also because the media's prime for it. The media's prime. We've had like six or seven. I keep an eye on this kind of stuff. We've had like six or seven. Six or seven. Six or seven pieces coming out of major publications like, oh, my gosh, is this the next pandemic? What's going on? Of course, now, this one, you're seeing people die. That's why it's very tragic. And I think this is what you can ultimately chalk this up to. It's just a very tragic situation. It is terrible. These people are on the trip of a lifetime, right? They were. They were getting to visit the South Atlantic, I believe they were. They're scheduled to visit a small cruise, bro. Well, yeah, it's an Antarctic cruise. It's not like a prop. It's not like a, you know, Disney cruise or whatever. Small. These are people that have probably saved up a lot of money to take this trip of a lifetime. And now there's a couple that's died, unfortunately. There's a gentleman from a German. It was a Dutch couple. There's a man from Germany. He's life in Johannesburg. I don't believe so.

[Carter Banks]

I think somebody wasn't someone like 80s or.

[Ian Crossland]

That's old, bro.

[Carter Banks]

Well, I mean, I can.

[Ian Crossland]

I think that that 50s and 60s would be risk factor for virus like

[Tate Banks]

this, but it has a 30 to 40% fatality rate regardless, like, irrespective of age, because your lungs fill up with fluid. It doesn't matter how old you are, you're gonna die from that.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. Respiratory problems.

[Tate Banks]

And the people on this cruise are gonna Primarily be old, because again, this is kind of a retirement thing to do. But it's very sad. I find it very sad because these people, like, you know, you dream of a trip like that just for it to devolve in a tragedy.

[Carter Banks]

I will say the Viking cruises down the Danube, like, that's the one cruise to me, that's like a small boat. I'm looking at that. I'm like, I could do that in my. In my.

[Tim Pool]

Is that a real. Than years do they give those cruises?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, they're like, these are a small boat. And it's like. I think it's Viking. Isn't that the company Shout out to Lothgar.

[Tim Pool]

Wasn't that the.

[Carter Banks]

And they. And they go down the Danube. And it's a small boat, and it'd be a blast.

[Tim Pool]

You get to raid Paris.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, cruise ships are nuts. Like the one I went on. I don't even know, like, what, like 30 decks or like 30 stories?

[Carter Banks]

Thousands of people.

[Tate Banks]

I know, it's insane. I've probably been on like, seven or eight people. Cause I had a family member that worked for a cruise company. So it was just like a fun thing to do in the summer.

[Ian Crossland]

Good, robust immune system.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah. Well, it's funny because these cruise ships, these cruises were like, primarily for evangelicals. And so they would shut down the casino, they would shut down the bars. So it was like everyone stone. It's the opposite of what you would expect on a cruise. It's like everyone's stone cold sober. No one's trying to kill themselves. Cause they got wiped out at the casino. Like, it's really actually quite enjoyable thing. But I did go on one cruise, and it was the Duck Dynasty. I don't remember Duck Dynasty. Remember the show? It was the Duck Dynasty cruise. And I was privy to sort of the security detail on the cruise ship. And they noted that they've had to stop at least like, a couple hundred passengers because they're trying to bring rifles onto the boat. Because they want to hunt ducks while they're on the boat. I thought that was really interesting, is that it just never occurred to them that you can't bring, like, firearms into international waters like that on a cruise ship. But that just shows you the Duck Dynasty cruise that I was on might have been the highest concentration of patriots I think I've ever seen in my entire life.

[Tim Pool]

Dude, when you were talking about amazing, the media, like, catching onto the fear of pandemic, like, I. That's when you were saying, yeah, I like making work.

[Tate Banks]

I love It.

[Tim Pool]

That's the good thing about English, is you can make words with. With suffixes. Neologism.

[Ian Crossland]

You.

[Tim Pool]

You were. When you said the doctor said this. This time, this virus seems to be acting a little different. I could feel, like, the hair stand up on other people's arms.

[Tate Banks]

We all remember Covid. It's scary.

[Carter Banks]

It's the rat piss virus.

[Tim Pool]

It shouldn't be that scary, but it is, because people are, like, tweaked out from, like, those crazy movies. The stand, you know?

[Tate Banks]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And if there's one.

[Tate Banks]

And look, if there's one agency, one group of people right now that would be incentivized to, like, sound the alarm bell right now, it would be the WHO I mean, the who Their funding's been threatened by the United States. A couple other countries are like, yeah,

[Carter Banks]

they're on the ropes.

[Tate Banks]

They're on the ropes. And so if there's one organization that would have, you know, sort of the impetus to, like, really ham this up and make it into a thing, it would be the WHO and the lady, you need us.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tate Banks]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tate Banks]

yeah, exactly. And she just came out and just, like, doused the flames. She was just like, look, we're gonna get this mopped up. Don't worry about it. We're clever with the Spanish.

[Ian Crossland]

Or it's like that, you know, battle of wits with Vizzini. And, you know, did I put the poison glass in front of me, or did I put it for myself? Because a clever man would assume that the World Health Organization was trying to trick us, so she would certainly pretend that she wasn't, so they would think that she. So that we wouldn't realize she was.

[Tate Banks]

That's true.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you very much.

[Carter Banks]

That is epic.

[Tate Banks]

And what's interesting is, you know, some people are speculating, actually, because the WHO has lost so much funding over the last few years that what could be happening. This is all purely speculation. What could be happening is that a primary source of their income right now is coming from the private sector, it's shipping magnates, et cetera. So what could be happening right now is the who is getting weighed on heavy by these shipping magnates saying, look, they're gonna. These guys are gonna be on our tails about rat droppings, rat feces. Because the story that everyone has kind of accepted right now is that the boat was contaminated by rat droppings, et cetera, et cetera. It's more likely to happen in Argentina. That being said, the entire shipping industry is like, hey, we're already on the ropes and, you know, in the Strait of Hormuz, like, we don't need another situation where we gotta waste time, like, sanitizing our ships and everything. And that's just a theory. I think what's more likely is the who is just being a little bit honest.

[Tim Pool]

That's a good piece of journalism, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

Did you uncover that? Did you put that together yourself?

[Tim Pool]

That the private sector is fun?

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, well, yeah, it's like, that's great. Yeah. You lose funding, they got to get the funding from somewhere.

[Tim Pool]

It makes me think. It's definitely not a concern. Firstly with the WHO stands down. And also, if you were going to try and spread a global pandemic, or if they were that thing, you wouldn't have a 40 to 50% vitality rate. You'd have it be like, 0,000. You want to be highly infective, but not lethal. So that.

[Tate Banks]

And the strain has been.

[Tim Pool]

I played the. What's that game that you play as a virus and you're trying to spread yourself?

[Tate Banks]

Plague. Plague, Inc. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

I've played Plague, Inc.

[Ian Crossland]

I know.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tate Banks]

Go to Greenland. That's the safest place. Yeah, it. It's pretty.

[Ian Crossland]

It's hard to get in at first.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So you got to make sure you infect them, because if you don't, and they shuttle the borders down, you'll never get them. And there's like, 12 people there.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah. You're cooked.

[Carter Banks]

How do you play that?

[Tim Pool]

Like an old game.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. And they.

[Tim Pool]

After Covid landed, they were like, oh, and they made an expansion called the

[Tate Banks]

Cure that'd be like. And then the world just gets repopulated by Eskimos. That'd be kind of nice.

[Tim Pool]

So you were saying something awesome when I started talking about Plague, Inc. No.

[Tate Banks]

Well, no, I was saying that the Hansavirus, specifically the Andes strain, has been known since the 1990s. So COVID 19. It has 19 in the name. It was a newfangled thing. The story is that they didn't quite know how to react to it. Therefore, it was kind of fly by the seat of her pants or whatever. This one from what I understand, again, this is not my realm, but from what I understand is they are pretty familiar with it. Like authorities all across South America have been dealing with this for a long time. Unfortunately, it has like a 40% fatality rate. So if you do catch it, at the very least you're gonna get banged up. But as far as its potential to be like a global pandemic seems pretty low. What you would do if you are in the audience, not financial advice, but if you are in the audience and you are speculating that this will turn into a global pandemic. If we saw from the last virus, COVID 19, what people did was they bought dips, right. They bought stock options indicating that the price would go low. Right.

[Carter Banks]

They bought calls, they bought Big Pharma.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, yeah. They didn't buy calls, they bought puts. And because they thought the stock market would tank. But Trump, when Trump and Jay Powell see eye to eye, they cranked the money printer on. If there's any volatility in the market caused by the global pandemic, for example, the stock market was hitting like all time highs like a month in.

[Carter Banks]

So money printer go brrr.

[Tate Banks]

Money printer go brrr. Now Jay Powell is out of a job now, so he might have taken the money printer with him on his way out, but I think it's probably bolted down in the Federal Reserve somewhere.

[Tim Pool]

Who's the new guy? Who's the new Fed chair?

[Tate Banks]

They haven't picked yet. There's still, there's a few names being speculated, but Trump's just like, print more money.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, like how when lower interest rates if.

[Tim Pool]

Can you guys, and you guys do the math and calculate when it would burst if they keep doing that?

[Tate Banks]

What, like inflation?

[Carter Banks]

Oh boy.

[Tate Banks]

Well, it's a big debate. I mean, some people think the United States government will be insolvent in 10 years. And then some people say it actually doesn't matter because we hold the global reserve currency so we can literally do whatever we want. Those are the two kind of schools of thought.

[Carter Banks]

Warsh is the new guy. They're trying to get in. They haven't voted on Warsh yet.

[Tate Banks]

No. As it stands, Jay Powell is still the chair. Elon, he's gonna be on the board still. He's still gonna be around.

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't think of myself as a simp for Elon because I'll criticize him to his face whenever. But like, like he has been talking a lot about post money society and with the economy going this direction, that would make sense. Like now is the Time if we could ever, as a human. Because what they used to do is currency resets and destroy the value of the money. Right back in like ancient Greece, I think they had a currency reset. And you know, you want to maybe not obliterate your. But that's like the worst, you know, last resort.

[Carter Banks]

It's hard not to see the direction of the economy. Gas. No jobs. Like they're, they're still flooding. The H1B scam is still flooding our shores with, with extra workers, you know, and American kids that are finishing college are not finding jobs, they're being replaced because the folks who come here, their, their educations are subsidized so they'll take jobs for less cash. It's hard to see all this, you know, and, and, and not lend at least or begin to think that there's some credence to what Elon's talking about with where they're going with like, you know, is this Agenda 2030 a real thing or the UBI or, you know, with Chang, you know, Chang was talking about normalizing the UBI talk. Now there's talking about getting rid of taxes. They're talking about entirely, you know, well, to the money printer point. If we're just printing all this money, why is anybody paying any taxes? Right? I mean, these are legitimate arguments.

[Ian Crossland]

They're like, you know, they're trying to go techno commie.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tate Banks]

I mean that's, that's been a pretty popular school of thought actually, certainly within Congress is that again, as long as we're the federal. Federal or sorry, the international currency reserve, you actually can kind of do whatever you want now the credit ratings are dropping for the United States. We did bump it back up in the Trump presidency. So that does have some implications. But for the most part, as far as money printing goes, that's one school of thought. Do I think that's the case? Potentially. It sees how. It depends on how this whole BRICS shakeup works out. So far we have had a little trouble with Iran, China, Russia. Those are the players involved again, if BRICS is able to mount a charge. But like we saw, okay, so like we saw in negotiations with Russia that the Swift. I think it was, I think Bessant was talking about it was that Russia actually is using the Swift banking system as like a bar, Sorry, the United States using the SWIFT banking system as a bargaining chip with Russia, which indicates that Russia is like, tap out, we want back in. So that's why it's kind of a hit against a lot of these people. That are speculating that BRICS is like a send it. And that sort of thing is the fact that Russia is actually keen on sort of rejoining the global banking system, which is dependent on Swift.

[Tim Pool]

That's really good. I mean, relative to what could happen if there was a breakdown, that's good. But do you think that's because of the Iranian position and taking of when is Venezuela?

[Tate Banks]

Well, the BRICS nations have gotten kicked in the teeth quite a few times over the last few years. And so the theory, five, six years ago, the multipolar theory, was kind of the accepted direction that the world was going where after Venezuela, everyone kind of realized, actually America's a lot more formidable than we thought and our global adversaries are a lot weaker than we thought. Now, Iran is still a question mark. Depends on how this situation resolves. That will indicate if it's truly like if the multipolar theory idea still has any credence. But my personal position is that I actually do think our adversaries are a bit weaker than we thought. I mean, Russia has been completely grinded down in Ukraine, China, they don't have any military experience for the most. They haven't been in a hot war in a very long time, certainly not under the new regime. So Taiwan, I think they're running calculus. You know, they'll put out these, like, war games that like, oh, we took Taiwan quite decisively. This is why some people have said the Iran war might be a mistake, is because Taiwan, for example, 50% of their energy grid is LNG. So 50% of Taiwan's energy comes from LNG. Now, LNG prices are going through the roof at a critical moment that Taiwan and our other Eastern Asian allies would need, like an overabundance of fuel. They need fuel cost to be really low. And so that is one position. People have said that actually the Iran war might have crippled their East Asian allies because now they're having to buy fuel from the United States. In Taiwan's case, they're buying it from Australia and they used to get it on sale from Iran or, sorry, from Qatar. Now that's not the case. Now, if Qatar can rebuild their LNG fields, leave opec, it's going to be a garage sale.

[Carter Banks]

We are opec, are we not opec? We are functionally opec.

[Ian Crossland]

Now we are. But where are the climate activists cheering on Trump right now? Now, it's not a joke. Trump's causing fuel shortages around the world. China has been cut off from half of their production. A fifth of the world supplies are down. Greta Thunberg should be celebrating. This is the first time a world leader has been like, we're disrupting oil trade. Nope. She's mad about it and she wants oil to Cuba. These people are full of it. It's all fake.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Hopefully a good climate activist would, instead of saying stop using oil, would say stop, start using new solution. And that would be the activism.

[Carter Banks]

So do.

[Tate Banks]

The problem is that like global coal usage is at all time highs.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tate Banks]

China, India, Southeast Asia, they're using global coal. The coal supply, it's like the most expensive it's ever been actually.

[Carter Banks]

So do we believe Scott Bessant is going to sort of change his stripes and he's not going to like maybe set us up for a big short like he did, you know, with the uk, the pound. Like what do we, what's the. I mean, there's another South Carolinian who is actually openly a homosexual. He's married.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Married to a man. Yeah.

[Tate Banks]

You kind of need like, I love the idea that there's this like catty gay guy, lives in a pink house, just beating up people on the West Wing. That's actually pretty funny. Yeah, it's pretty funny.

[Tim Pool]

What happened with Besant and the, the, the pound, as I said.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

So I mean this is like, you know, Soros is, you know, former chief financial officer back in the day and he is famous for charting the course for where, where Soros was able to sort of really make his first big bones, where they essentially shorted the pound in the 90s. 92, 34. Check me on the year.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Carter Banks]

And, and, and this is, this is basically what made Soros into like this, you know, sort of global. Yep. So Besant is very closely tied to source and that's, that's been their straight. It's not just a one off. They've done that, you know, a couple of times where they've run up this thing and then had a big short and then made a ton of money later.

[Tim Pool]

I heard there was like, I don't know, but $100 million of insider trading and there was like four weeks ago I heard in the Trump Admin. Yeah. George Soros shorted the British pound aggressively on September 15, 16 of 92.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah. It was called Black Wednesday. There was this thing that happened. It's really complicated. The UK kept pound storage in the European exchange and I think the story is supply ran low in Britain and then a lot of institutional traders caught wind of this and shorted the pound into the ground. So then when the sell off Started, they were just cashing out all their puts and they made a bunch of money. And the British government, it was actually a serious crisis. And that's part of the reason that we started to see the emergence of third rail politics. So Britain, Tony Blair for example, kind of emerged out of this because the British economy was in such a bad state. And then the United States, Bill Clinton obviously would classify as this third rail politics, which is just liberalism with a fresh coat of paint.

[Tim Pool]

But so is that when they transitioned to the, to the euro, that.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, it was, it was basically, it was happening. It was pretext, I believe, to do that because that happened in the late

[Tim Pool]

90s and we expect a big short on the US dollar coming up when we transition to the USDC.

[Carter Banks]

That's my question. It's like, what are we looking at here? Are we, is there going to be a big sort of engineered, you know, sell off and, and how much. What's going to happen with all of our debt? Is China going to, in Japan going to get rid of all of our debt? And, and there's a bunch of folks that have arcahones by the short ones here.

[Tim Pool]

Did other people short the pound when Soros went in?

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, that was. The whole scandal was that there was a lot of institutional traders that basically shook the treasury out. Now the UK didn't actually, they've never moved to the euro. But what was interesting was the decision to withdraw all the British pounds from the European exchange. Again, I don't know what the official name is for it. The three ministers that were basically calling that were making that decision were all like Eurocrats. They were like very pro European. We should be tighter, we should be more intertwined with the European Union. And they were the ones that actually decided that we should just execute the withdrawal now, rip the band aid and then whatever happens, happens. Because I think in the back of their head they thought it would force the UK to fully integrate into the EU and then adopt the euro. Now that didn't, it didn't happen. And then obviously 2015, 2016 Brexit happens.

[Carter Banks]

But Europe did though. I mean Europe went. I mean Europe toppled quickly like you know, thereafter.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, we're gonna.

[Ian Crossland]

The rumble rants and super chats. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you've ever met in your life. The uncensored portion of the show will be [e-mail] Timcast IRL at 10pm if you're a member of the timcast.com Discord, you can actually call into the show and Talk to us and the guest. So do that. All right, Evan for us says, is everything to do with SCOTUS ruling and the DOJ having to do with gerrymandering, possibly part of Trump's planned golden age of America with a possible permanent Republican majority? Well, we don't need to call it anything. This is obviously a plan. Everyone thinks so. Republicans and Democrats both agree this was planned. These Republican states already had plans in advance for this ruling to come down for the Supreme Court. It may not be the Supreme Court was involved in it. It could just be that Republicans knew the Supreme Court was going to go this way, so they planned for it. I think they've been planning this for over a year or longer and they expected this all to happen. I don't know about any grand scheme called the golden age of Trump or whatever, but I think they knew this was coming.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah, well, it was James Blair. This was actually, I think it was in the Times, maybe they reported on this was James Blair before the inauguration went to Trump with this plan, like, hey, look, the House majority going into the midterms is gonna be razor thin. This is the reality of the situation. So in order to bolster the Republican seats in the House, James Blair put together this entire strategy and he presented it to Trump and Trump was like, yeah, this passes the sniff test. Let's do it. That's why Texas was the shot across the bow. Right When Texas decided to pursue redistricting. I think they actually, this is why I give credence to the idea that maybe it was planned. Cuz James Blair's not an idiot. You know, a lot of people have criticisms of him or whatever, but he's not an idiot. He knew that the Democrats would come back harder, quite frankly, than the Republicans would go. So I do think there was some game theory going on as he knew he ran the numbers, he said even if the Republicans like half bake this, they're still going to end up with more seats. That is like, that's what looks like it's going to happen.

[Carter Banks]

I've got a, this might be unpopular, but I've got a little bit of a dire prediction for how this redistricting stuff goes. And I can give you a couple of different examples. But what happens when you take for example, the James Clyburn district, which is kind of in the middle of South Carolina, and you divide that out and you put it, some of it into the first district, which is the Nancy Mace district district, and then a couple of others, instead of having one Democrat district in South Carolina. You end up with two definitely, I believe, and maybe three Democrat districts in South Carolina out of seven. We've seen this in North Carolina as well. They've gone back and forth. North Carolina is famously sort of one of those states that's been sort of like under the microscope of the DOJ after the CRA for, you know, the 50, 60 years or whatever. And the, the courts are always saying go back and forth. And we've massively had huge pendulum swings in vicissitudes.

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[Carter Banks]

You know, in North Carolina, there's 14 seats. We were up at like 11 to three at one point. And then in a matter of like two years, we went to like seven to six. I mean, this stuff happens when you start messing with these districts. I, look, I'm not saying, you know, let's keep the James Clymer, you know, district, but there's something to be said, I believe, for this fourth Amendment idea that you have the right to associate and dissociate. And it's a kind of a state's issue and a local issue rather than a federal issue. You know, I, in general, I tend to think, hey, leave it to the states. Let them work it out. Get the DOJ out of it. I think this is the opportunity maybe to finally go that direction.

[Tim Pool]

I certain think it's a bad idea. What the Supreme Court did was a bad ruling because, like, they can just say, hey, it was never about racism anyway. It was always about, about their political affiliate. It was always about their, their. Because there's like correlations.

[Ian Crossland]

You think, you think that it Would be good to allow race based congressional decisions.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, but the. The arguments easily made that it wasn't race based all along or.

[Ian Crossland]

Or has nothing to do with the question of should people be allowed to do it. All the Supreme Court said was, you can't. Okay, now.

[Tim Pool]

But it was.

[Ian Crossland]

Now they can lie. Okay, sure. And.

[Tim Pool]

And they. It didn't. It doesn't change anything, though.

[Ian Crossland]

You do understand that if you own a. So you do understand that the law bans people from kicking a person out of their restaurant for being black. So all you have to do is say, we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Get out of my store. They can't do anything about it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

What's the difference?

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. It. Basically.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They didn't really change anything with the ruling, which is why I think it's a bad ruling.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why I always say it's cultural culture that's going to change things, not law. Let's grab some more. We got Sharp says how. How at this point, this far into her tenure as a member of scotus, does KBJ not have competent lawyers advising her on how to do her job because she's an activist who got the position, who doesn't care about what her lawyers think?

[Tim Pool]

Is that how it works? Supreme Court justices have, like a group of advisors.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah. They have clerks and they're high churn as well. High turnover for clerks. But most, I mean, you know, a lot of senators, even Supreme Court justices clerked for Supreme Court justices. It's.

[Carter Banks]

It's a political climbing gig.

[Tate Banks]

It's a. It's a family.

[Tim Pool]

They get churned out because they're bad or they get churned out because they don't agree with the joke.

[Tate Banks]

No, it's just churn because it's like, temporary.

[Carter Banks]

They're climbers.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah. As soon as they get the next option, you know, they take it. So. But it's a valuable part of sort of the law.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd do it.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know how good I'd be, but I'd love to.

[Tate Banks]

I mean, as far as I understand, once it's on your resume, you can do whatever you want.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tate Banks]

So pro tip to any Ivy League lawyers watching this show? I guess if it hasn't occurred, Laura, you should clerk for a Supreme Court judge.

[Ian Crossland]

Justice Laura says, what the heck is over Tate's shoulder on the desk? A rock. A quarter pound, vacuum sealed. Oh, is that pyrite?

[Tim Pool]

I think so. I'm gonna go touch it.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, go.

[Ian Crossland]

Tools of gold.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna get my fingers on that. You might be talking about this. I believe it is pyrite.

[Carter Banks]

Is it heavy?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, probably about 15 pounds.

[Carter Banks]

Oh wow.

[Ian Crossland]

We should bring in. I have like a two thousand dollar amethyst geode.

[Carter Banks]

I don't know where that's at.

[Tim Pool]

I want to bring a big crystal ball back in here too.

[Ian Crossland]

You want to bring a big crystal ball?

[Tim Pool]

Gigantic crystal ball.

[Carter Banks]

I think I know where it is.

[Tate Banks]

Get a resident susayer for Mondays or something. Candace Owens maybe. I think she could be.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, be cool. Surprise, surprise. The. Everybody was reporting that Daily Wire laid off half their staff. Because guys, I, I know it's not most people who watch this show, but of course they were all lying. This crowd of people, that's what they do. So I don't know, like, do you know the exact number of people that got laid off by. From the Daily Wire?

[Tate Banks]

I don't.

[Ian Crossland]

I've heard it was like in the dozens, like the low dozens. And I guess they put out a statement. I don't know that what it was but they were like nowhere near that many people got laid off at all actually. They're hiring. They're hiring still.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah. As I understand like most of the layoffs and I mean I'm not running cover for the Daily Wire here. I'm just trying to be neutral here. From what I understand is they laid off mostly staffing and auxiliary projects. Right. So products that aren't essential to the Daily Wire brand because we do know they like lost their tail on their movies and stuff like that. So I, from what I've read, that's where most of the layoffs are occurring because they're trying to restructure and say let's just get back to the core product.

[Carter Banks]

That worked.

[Ian Crossland]

The thing is that I think this a lot to do with Jeremy Boring being ousted. Essentially. They, they dumped a lot of money into Pendragon Cycle, which wasn't going to fit that their, their, their market share, their, their, their, their audience. What is a woman and am I racist? Were perfect for their audience and they, they took a tremendous risk on trying to be a studio. But they made the, the, I'm sorry, like an obvious mistake. We got a little Daily Wire thing on the table. You don't build the foundation before the business. Everybody knows this. You start a product, see if it works and iterate. That is if you want to open a burger restaurant, you're better off opening a burger stand or a food truck to see if you can sell and make enough money before you try Brick and Mortar. You can put the truck in various locations to see where it does better. Everybody. I've known this since I was a teenager talking with entrepreneurs. They always say, don't buy a building to start a business. Figure out the business first, then figure out where location is going to be. And so in this instance they said, hey, we're doing politics. We're making hundreds of millions of dollars. Let's spend that hundreds of millions of dollars on a fantasy book series adaptation. It's like, that's like building a skyscraper hotel before having any kind of experience building hotels. No disrespect, I'm glad they were trying, but maybe they would have been better off doing 300 small like, like low budget projects instead of one gigantic. Because even just think about the business there. Everybody signs up to Daily Wire plus to watch Pendragon Cycles, right? Pendragon Cycle. Let's say you sign up a million people, then what? You're making money for sure. But what's your next product? Because you put everything into one production with insane amount of money. Now I get it, Jeremy. Boring. Always want to do this. But what if you said, how about instead of spending millions per episode, we just do four movies instead of one episode? Then we can spread it all out and create a release schedule so we constantly have new movies being released that are lower budget. And there's so many movies you could do, comedies even that could have, they could have made it work if they

[Tim Pool]

had the manpower and the creativity. Yes, because the problem I had with their business model, using it, I got, I subscribed to Daily Wire plus to watch what Is a Woman? And then as soon as I finished the movie, I unsubscribed cuz I didn't know what was gonna happen next month. There was no schedule, no plan.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, the issue is that when you subscribe to the Daily Wire, it's because you like Matt Walsh or Ben Shapiro or Michael Knowles. So I'm not going to log into my Daily Wire app to be like, I'm gonna watch Michael Knowles and then I'm going to watch an action film.

[Tim Pool]

Someone, a critic online, said that their criticism of Jeremy's handling of the business was that he had said he wanted to make art that parents could tolerate because parents weren't, they were losing their minds and he wanted to help. So he was making work art for the parents, but not for the kids. Like they weren't making movies that kids love. They were making movies that parents can tolerate and that then. So it's supposed to be the Kid tells the parent, hey, I want that. And the parent goes and buys it, but they missed that.

[Ian Crossland]

This is what the other thing I got to say about Bentken is that I really appreciate the effort, but any investor right now would ask, what's your market for Bentke parents? How many people are parents? Barely any people right now. People are in their 30s with no kids. Fertility is less than 2. So I. I appreciate the mission and the fight he was doing, but I think they're putting the cart before the horse. You need to invest in the culture which they're doing. I don't know if there's a big enough market share for that kind of content that you're really gonna get it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. If it's true, it's tough. It's.

[Ian Crossland]

To be fair. No, that's stupid. I mean, what do you really need? 10,000 parents to subscribe. You can find them. You know, you can make it work. I just think that in the end, I think Pendragon probably was too much for him. And so the layoffs that are largely happening is. It's movie division stuff, guys. It doesn't cost any money for Ben Shapiro to sit in front of a camera and complain. We do the same thing. It's like this show is expensive because we've built a show out with guests and with a lot of stuff and a lot of people. But like the monologuing thing, like Matt Walsh I do, Ben Shapiro does. It costs nothing. It costs the Internet. You pay 20 bucks a month in a major urban metro and you get gigabit, you get fiber, and then you buy a nice camera. Maybe your total investment by the time you're at this level is going to be a few thousand dollars to get a good microphone and camera, you know? Anyway, let's grab some more super chats over here on debt there, Utuba. We got those rumble rants in already. Let's see. What does that say? Mapeloko. Mapa loco. Maplo. Justice. Alito. Decision is based as hell. Lol. Agreed. I like that guy. Let's see. Tom Forest says, in honor of Marx's birthday, I am buying everyone nothing for dinner. How's it going? Happy birthday, Carl. Is it Marx's birthday? No. Of course, everybody knows today is Cinco de Mayo, which, if you're not familiar with why we celebrate, it's actually a commemoration. In 1835, a trade vessel from Spain was delivering a large shipment of mayonnaise to the Spanish colonies when it sank after striking a reef. And of course, it all sank, and it was Very sad, because many people lost their lives. So we commemorate the Cinco de Mayo.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, Hellman's and Dukes, they just went under. They went under.

[Ian Crossland]

Indeed. Indeed.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. I blame capital.

[Ian Crossland]

Actually, most people don't know this, but it was actually called Dukeman's. And after that catastrophe, the. The Dukeman brothers split up and created two companies, Dukes and Hellmans. And they've been in a bitter rivalry ever since. Their kids hate each other. All of that, of course, is made up. Never happened.

[Tim Pool]

The helmsman of the ship decided to go down with the ship and they named the Mayo after him.

[Ian Crossland]

Indeed. Duke.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe I was demonstrating.

[Ian Crossland]

Actually, it's the victory of the Battle of Puebla.

[Carter Banks]

This dad jokes.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. I want to. I want to say this again. I, for the life of me, do not understand celebrating Cinco de Mayo because they won the Battle of Pueblo.

[Tate Banks]

Well, they would.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Tate Banks]

They would have been colonized by France

[Ian Crossland]

if they won that battle and then they'd beaten snails.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Imagine celebrating 200 years later because you're not French.

[Tate Banks]

I know. Well, and what's so crazy is. And this is like a bit of hidden American history is after. So the Battle of pueblo was like 1863 or something like that. Anyway, the Mexicans repel the French, et cetera, et cetera. What was interesting is that after the American Civil War, the Americans backed the Mexican liberal. There was two factions. There was the liberals and the conservatives. And the Americans actually backed the Mexican liberals against the coalition of the Mexican conservatives and the French. I think that was a miscalculation, if I have to be completely honest here. I think I would have preferred a sort of French Mexican hybrid population south of the board. That'd be pretty cool. Be pretty cool.

[Ian Crossland]

Clarice says, something to consider with prediction market. Thing is, the new. It's the new fad now every layman, midwit, nitwit is on it. The wisdom of the crowd doesn't mean much if the majority is first order thinkers betting on what they want to happen. That is correct. One of my favorite things about who Wants to be a Millionaire Is that if you did not use ask the audience in the first four questions, it was useless because when they like, they get to the point, be like, what was the name of the scientist in 1876 who won the Nobel Prize for his discovery in mathematics? And you'd be like, I'm gonna ask the audience. And then it's just equally every letter. Cause nobody knows. So you can only really ask them obvious questions that everyone should know. That you don't. I do like that one clip where Norm MacDonald was like, I forgot. He's like, it's like between A and B. And I think I use a 50. 50. But you're not. There's not. Got a guy back there who's gonna make it. The only two left are A and B. Is there. And he's like, no, it's all predetermined. He goes, all right, I'll use 50. 50. And then it eliminates C and D and makes A and B. And he goes. Looks at him. It's so good. It's like, it's not a guy back there who's gonna do that, right? And then he did. All right, let's grab a couple more. Garhett says, can we talk about Ms. Graham's extensive butterfly collection? And the young gentleman, Lord have mercy. She spreads them to. Wait, wait, wait.

[Tate Banks]

What?

[Ian Crossland]

Is that true?

[Carter Banks]

Okay, so butterfly or ladybug? I think we're talking about ladybugs.

[Ian Crossland]

Ladybugs. Lindsey Graham has a ladybug.

[Carter Banks]

So we. We can't talk about it on YouTube, but.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, well, we'll say this uncensored. Uncensored portion coming up in two minutes where we will learn the secrets Google.

[Tim Pool]

Let's.

[Carter Banks]

Lady.

[Tate Banks]

Well, we, We'll. We'll.

[Ian Crossland]

We'll save it for the uncensored portion.

[Carter Banks]

We'll save it.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, let's see what we got here. Emily Payne says, hear me out. What if Hillary comes out as one of the lizard people?

[Tim Pool]

Finally, the.

[Ian Crossland]

The information they release is literally just Hillary staying at the podium. And she goes, I'd like you all to see this. And then her, like, her, her mouth just opens and folds backwards and a lizard that.

[Tate Banks]

By saver Public image.

[Ian Crossland]

Actually, it would be. It would be really fun. It would be really funny. If not, it's not a lizard person, but like, her mouth opens and a literal, just like 3 foot long iguana comes out. Her.

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[Ian Crossland]

Her fake body suit flops to the ground and literally just runs away. She's gone. And we're like, okay, I don't know what that was about. She's just been a lizard the whole time.

[Carter Banks]

She's a fleece deck.

[Ian Crossland]

She goes like this. And then she pulls a zipper down her face. And it's just a lizard. Like an iguana standing there not saying anything.

[Carter Banks]

Would have been a good costume for the Met Gala last.

[Tate Banks]

Hillary, you never look sweeter. I might actually have sex with you now.

[Carter Banks]

Wow. You from Arkansas? That's amazing.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, everybody, we're Gonna get ready for that uncensored portion of the show. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Of course you can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast, good sir, would you like to shout anything out?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. Thanks for having me, Tim. Yeah. Mark lynch for Senate, Everybody go to lynch4.com. Also, if you want to read all about Lindsay sins, you got to go to Dumpster. Dump Lindsay Co. That's Dump Lindsay Co. You can read about his numerous sins and also check out the national file at national file on Twitter.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm at Ian Crossland.

[Tim Pool]

Find me on the Internet at ian Crossland X, YouTube, Instagram. Follow me. Check out my Instagram clips. I've been putting up a lot of fresh new music. One song I wrote like 15 years ago, it's so depressing, but it was sitting in the.

[Carter Banks]

In the.

[Tim Pool]

In the shelf, so I picked it up and finished it. It's weird to sing old lyrics that hurt to say out loud when I don't still believe it. It was very weird.

[Ian Crossland]

Check it out.

[Tim Pool]

Tate Brown.

[Tate Banks]

Yeah. X and Instagram at Realtape Brown. We're back here tomorrow for the Tim Cast news noon live show. It'll be on Rumble and Godspeed because, yeah, Lindsey Graham's. He's got to go. So.

[Carter Banks]

Well, thank you, sir. You can follow me at Carter Banks and at Carter Banks Music of Ross, follow our record label at Trash house Records on YouTube and yeah, this is going to be a weird Lindsey Graham story in the after show. So let's get into it.

[Ian Crossland]

We'll see you all [e-mail] TimCastirl right now. Thanks for hanging out.

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tate Banks]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

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