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SCOTUS Ruling Just Gave GOP THIRTY SEATS, This Is NUCLEAR IN Politics ft. Alex Stein
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The Supreme Court just dropped a political nuclear bomb with their ruling on the Voting Rights Act, a 6 to 3 conservative ruling saying you cannot have racially gerrymandered mandered congressional districts. What this means as of right now, it means that two congressional districts that are Democrat based on race in Louisiana are going to have to be redrawn likely eliminating the Democrat seats in Louisiana, giving Republicans plus two the bigger picture. There are around 30 congressional seats nationwide that are drawn up due to the VRA based on race. With the ruling from the Supreme Court that it is unconstitutional, we could see a cascade. With all of these red states now technically being required to redraw their congressional maps. Not just, just gerrymandering, but eliminating long Democrat held seats under the VRA, this could swing things for the Republicans between 30 and 40 congressional seats. The big question is, will the Republicans actually have the balls to do it? Well, the good news for Republicans is that it doesn't actually require that much effort from Republican governance because individuals in these states or in these districts specifically can file lawsuits now that the attorneys general of these states would not be able to defend because the Supreme Court already said no. It's like the end of Roe v. Wade almost. They didn't overturn the vra. They effectively said, you can use this now against these districts. Meaning if you live in one of these districts that's gerrymandered based on race, you can sue saying it's racially discriminatory against me to have a, a, a district drawn up based on other races. This is a nuclear bomb. The Republican Party winning the midterms is now in play if this happens. So we're gonna talk about that. Plus a bunch of other fun news. Apparently, in order for Elon Musk to get his new pay package, he has to put 1 million people on Mars, which I don't know whose idea that was, but there's so many problems with doing that, especially in his lifetime. I don't know how he actually accomplishes this, but I'd be down to see it. That would be a lot of fun. And then we've got more information on this ufo, whistleblower and missing scientist conspiracy. Cash Patel says they are looking into it. And one whistleblower issued a warning shortly before someone disappeared. So we'll talk about all that before we do. My friends, we got a great sponsor for you. It is True Gold Republic. Check out trugoldrepublic.com Tim Having sound money and financial independence is important. Hard assets are extremely important. That's why you should check out True Gold Republic. Look at the world right now. Active wars. NATO's under pressure, maybe falling apart. The dollar is being weaponized. 36 trillion in debt and no sign that it's going down. Gold can't be printed, it can't be sanctioned, it can't be devalued by a press release. Central banks are buying it at record levels. The people who run the system are hoarding the one thing they cannot print that tells you everything. Insert true gold Republic. Real physical gold and silver. Not paper, not ETFs, metal you can hold. Check out their independence bundle, a physical gold starter kit, one on one with their experts and bonus precious metals on top. The chaos isn't coming. It is here, my friends. Go to trugoldrepublic.com Tim to claim your independence bundle. Or call 800-628-Gold or go to truegold republic.com Tim do it. But don't forget, join us at Tim kiss.com Become a member of the Discord community, where tens of thousands of people hang out every day. They debate, they argue, they're friends. Sometimes they even get married. That's right. There are people who have joined the Discord, met their significant other, they got married. I think it's like five couples. I can't guarantee it, but it's like winning the lottery. Could you imagine? You join our Discord server to support the work we're doing, and next thing you know, you find the love of your life. Probably not going to happen, but true story, it actually did smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know, everyone you've ever met. Joining us tonight to talk about this and literally everything else is Alex Stein,
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Alex Stein
the pimp on a blimp. And I do want to actually say that. I know people might think that you're sounding facetious, but I want to give a shout out to Ronnie Sullivan and Abel Garcia, who is a D transitioner who recently had gotten married. They had finally had a wedding. They're chat rats. So it actually happened. So in the Tim cast. Discord, the chat rad Discord, any Discord you might meet the love of your life. So thank you for having me. Let's get the show started.
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Brett Dasovich
What is going on? Guys, it's Brett. It's been a very long time since I've been on here, but normally I am doing Pop culture crisis live Monday through Friday at 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time, which is, of course, noon Pacific. You should join us there. But let's get into it. How you doing, Ian?
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Ian Cross
I'm pretty good, man. I'm drinking coffee right now. Casper, myself. Alex Stein in the house.
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Alex Stein
Dude, you have the Morpheus glasses on tonight. Red pill, blue pill.
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Ian Cross
I'm wearing them a lot, like, dark.
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Alex Stein
Which pill would you take, Ian, if he read or.
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Ian Cross
I would take the red pill, dude.
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Alex Stein
You would?
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Ian Cross
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
Which button would you press? The red button or the blue button? What if you took both of them
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Ian Cross
at the same time?
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Tim Pool
The red buttons. I'm going to say this right now. If you're ever applying for a job here, say red button. You're not.
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Ian Cross
What's the red button do?
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Tim Pool
We'll talk about it in a little. What's up?
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Ian Cross
What's up man? Let's get into it.
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Tim Pool
Here's the news from the Guardian. U.S. supreme Court rules Louisiana must redraw its congressional map in land mark case. The decision effectively guts major section of Voting Rights act the last remaining Provision of the 1965 Civil rights law that prevents racial discrimination in voting. Let me just set the record straight and give you the quick gist. The 1965 precedent basically said hey look, there's a lot of black people there, systemic racism, so they should have congressional representation. So they drew up these maps for the purpose of correcting past injustice by today's standard. The Supreme Court's basically said that's discriminatory against other races. Now we're, we're well past this. In fact, Alito made the argument that it seemed like the framers of this law intended for some kind of sun setting, that it was to deal with something specific at the time that we are not dealing with today. So that being said, they have issued their ruling. You cannot have congressional districts based on on race. Why does that matter? Well my friends, we've got this from the persistent Scott Pressler. He says two of Pennsylvania's congressional districts were drawn as a result of the unconstitutional race based Voting Rights act requirements. The RNC should not just focus on southern states but must also sue Pennsylvania for its illegal maps. Sue Pennsylvania? Where's the thing? You don't need the RNC to do it. Anyone who lives in these districts will have legal standing because you are being impacted by this. And here's where it gets really crazy. I asked Rock break it down for me brother. Nearly all 20 to 30 of the VRA mandated congressional districts in Republican leaning states are held by Democrats. That means if we go on the high end, imagine a Congress with only 180 Democrat votes. 230 or some odd Republican ones. And I'm gonna lay it out there a little bit more. It's actually upwards of 40 but I will throw a wrench in the spokes for the Democrat or purple states. The issue here is that if you sue to change to redraw these racist maps, if the state is held by Democrats, the they will take the opportunity to redistrict right now and they will make more Democrat districts. So they'll say, okay, we won't use race as the basis, we'll use something else. And this could result in every single state in the country being redrawn right now in the most insane of ways. Now, the end result I think is because the VRA largely affects Democrat districts in red states. That was the point. This is going to put the Republican Party back in play, polls be damned. And the funny thing to me is I'm going to pull up here. We got from, from Kalsheet 2026 Midterms, balance of power has not adjusted for this. I'm not recommending anybody do anything. Don't spend money on that. Don't listen to me. I'm just saying I am surprised. We have only seen a two point jump in Republican control of the House and Senate. Poll wise, Republicans are set to win the Senate. Poll wise, it is leaning Democrat. So right now we don't know for sure if it's going to be a Democrat House and Senate or a Democrat House or the Republican Senate. But I actually believe based on this move from the Supreme Court, if these lawsuits get filed across the board in every one of these districts, these states have no choice. The Supreme Court has already said it is unconstitutional. How would they not take this action? What's their argument? What could they possibly do? Delay maybe. But six months is a long time. And then if they don't respond, this could call the election itself into question. If they move forward with elections in what has been determined to be unconstitutional congressional districts, then you're going to have way more lawsuits. And I don't know how that ends up. But this is going to be a wacky and wild midterm. So all I can say is typically, well, I'll put it this way. This is particularly esoteric, right? When you're reading the news and someone says something like, you know, Trump announces this guy will head the Fed. Everybody runs to buying the prediction market to try and get it in before it flips 99%. They can make a profit. I don't think people who normally buy understand ramifications of this SCOTUS ruling and how it is the domino not being knocked over that will result in Republicans having a much, much better chance of winning. Not to mention, guys, the latest poll from Harvard Harris X is that Republicans are tied with Democrats. So I'm curious what you think.
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Alex Stein
I mean, I think it is a big deal. We know that every congressional district is probably race based. So I don't know what Pandora's box is open from this. But I would say also at the same exact time, you know, if we want to win elections, it's always the left that uses all these redistricting and gerrymandering. I feel like that's kind of what they're an expert in. And if we want to win, we got to win because we are the more popular opinion. We're the populist movement. Like we don't need to worry about gerrymandering and we just have to overcome it. And I know that sounds whatever, cliche or too anecdotal. I just, I don't think this is as big a deal for some reason because I feel like the district's already gerrymandered anyway. And I just don't know if they change that much. If we lose, how many different seats do you think it'll be? 30 seats.
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Tim Pool
Have you looked at Louisiana's map, bro?
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Alex Stein
Well, I figured it's probably all race based, but I mean, you're going to.
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Tim Pool
So Louisiana, this, this case alone has just eliminated two Democrat districts right now. It's done.
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Alex Stein
Well, that's good. That is good that it seems like it's a good thing. But I also know that, you know, they try to redistrict part of California and now they're going to get more Democrat seats in Congress.
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Tim Pool
What we might end up seeing right now is a cascade effect where every blue state. Here's the problem actually, let me put it like this. I say blue states will redistrict, but the problem is blue states are almost already gerrymandered. The point of giving Democrats extra seats. You take a look at Massachusetts, 36% Republican, zero Republican seats. That make any sense? You take a look at Illinois. Let me, let me pull up Illinois's map for you.
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Alex Stein
It does happen in the conservative side more where it's a more conservative state. But then they have less, you know, look at this. Less representation.
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Tim Pool
Well, no, because the vra, the red states have weird race based gerrymandered districts. Look at Illinois 13. They intentionally created a strip. Could you imagine you live in like some rural middle of Illinois town, but they just have this line of fire going over, over your house to put you in a Democrat district. Look at this. Rockford and Bloomington in Peoria, they create this weird strip that wraps around to so they can get these Democrat districts and make a fake congressional district. Let me show you what Louisiana looks like. This is what ultimately lost. Look at the 6th and the 2nd district. Is that not the dumbest district you've ever seen.
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Alex Stein
And they got the biggest cities. Shreveport, Baton Rouge, in New Orleans.
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Tim Pool
Indeed, these were drawn up based on race, and they have to eliminate them. And now the expectation is this. When they redraw this, there will be no Democrat districts in Louisiana.
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Ian Cross
Obama tweeted out about this. He has kind of the counter opinion about, like, you know, protecting minorities and making sure they still have a voice in the. In the republic. Because back in the day, I think that a lot of this stems from back when they would blockbust and all the rich white dudes, because they came from money in the 1890s or whatever, and the black people had been mostly descendant of slavery, so they didn't have as much money. The white rich dudes would get together and be like, no one can move in. We're not. It's technically, we're not doing it on purpose, but we'll just say no to any black people that want to move in the. So they would make them all blockbusting. They make them all move out. So then the district is this 15 block radius of rich white dudes controlling. And so they had to, like, carve out or they felt like they had to empower the people that lived in the dregs on the outskirts. But it's been. It's like the balloon's been inflated and bubbled so many times that it just popped.
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Tim Pool
Like.
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Ian Cross
The insanity is observant.
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Tim Pool
At this point, if they eliminate VRA districts, this is what the south will look like.
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Alex Stein
Wow, that's.
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Tim Pool
That's huge.
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Brett Dasovich
Do you think this is likely to happen because an everyday citizen can put forth the lawsuit as opposed to expecting Republican operatives to do it?
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Tim Pool
That's the key right there. Is that anybody. So if you live in a. In a. In a racially gerrymandered district, you have standing. You are aggrieved. Now, under this unconstitutional action, it still will come down to how the state responds. The attorneys general are going to be presented with an interesting conundrum. So for those who are not familiar how this works, if you go to a state or if you live in a state you have a problem with, let's say you have a problem with your state and you're like, I'm going to sue the state. The lawsuit goes to the attorney general of that state, who then determines whether or not he's going to defend the state from the action. There are many instances where the attorney general might say, you know what? I actually can't win this case. And so let's say you sue your state's power you know, agency or whatever. And you, you've got something like, hey, the fees that they've put forward on, on electric or regulatory fees they've added to electric bills from these private companies, they are unconstitutional. The attorney general reads it and goes, okay. He then goes to the, the regulatory agency and says, I will lose if I try to defend you on this one. I can try to defend you on it, but I'm going to tell you, we will just waste money and it's not going to happen. More importantly, if the governor tells the attorney general not to defend it, it's just done. So if various political action groups or individuals file lawsuits in these districts saying they are known racially gerrymandered VRA districts, there is still the prove it. What is the grounds by which these are determined to be. And they may try to make that argument in court. Okay, you got to prove in court this district came about because of this may actually be very easy to prove considering Democrats attempts to defend them has already created this pretext where they've said, we did it for this reason. You can, you know, Obama's quote right now about how this is about fighting back against Jim Crow. Okay, agreed. Now you gotta get rid of them. If the governors, the state legislatures just say, you're right, they tell the attorney general, we're not gonna defend it. More importantly, the state could just do it. Yeah, the state could. Then the governor could say, look, we just heard the Supreme Court. Close your eyes.
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Tim Pool
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Tim Pool
We have no choice. We're redrawing these maps. So I do think that this is more likely to happen because private individuals now have have standing to take action. Whether or not it'll happen fast enough, I don't know. But I kind of think the reason this is happening, it's intentional. In the Republican playbook, they went after the VRA intentionally, because they want to win the midterms based on redrawing maps. That's why Trump told Texas to redraw. Democrats are responding. The issue for Democrats is many of the blue states are already gerrymandered to oblivion, like I showed you with Illinois. So they won't be able to gain as much as Republicans can in this war if Republicans go all the way.
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Brett Dasovich
So timing wise, you think they pick now for that specific reason, or should they have waited longer?
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Tim Pool
I think. I think they chose now for the specific reason that there is very little time to reverse any decision. You've got six months, meaning it's a rush job to flip these states and go +12. But by the time this is resolved, the election will be right in front of us. I do think we have an interesting conundrum in what happens if someone files a suit right now. It is not resolved by the time the election happens. And then after the election, a court issues a ruling that it was an unconstitutional district and must be redrawn. They'll have to have special elections. So. So hypothetically, there's a scenario where in February of next year, we're having another series of 20 or 30 congressional races due to the resolution coming after the election.
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Alex Stein
I think that helps the conservatives.
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Tim Pool
I agree. Because how do you, how do you, how do you induct a new member of Congress when they're like, a judge just issued a ruling that your seat is unconstitutional, Then what ends up happening is the existing Congress says, well, we are not going to swear you in because you're not a member of Congress. Your seat's unconstitutional. This is going to be a weird scenario. Now, there is still the very high probability. Literally nothing happens.
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Brett Dasovich
Yeah, I mean, maybe I'm just jaded, but that's. I'm just, you know, I'm not a nothing ever happens person. I mean, nothing ever changes person. And I understand that, like, for a lot of time when you're jaded about this type of stuff, I'm like, it just doesn't seem like we're going to see +12.
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Tim Pool
Except for the fact that Texas already did, California already did, and Virginia just voted on it. So to say, I don't think it's going to happen when we are currently in the war.
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Brett Dasovich
Texas was Republicans gerrymander.
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Tim Pool
Indeed.
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Brett Dasovich
But the idea here is that most of the left is already Republicans on it.
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Tim Pool
We'll take a look at this. This is a viral meme. Massachusetts, 36% Republican, no seats. Connecticut, 42. Zero seats. Maine, 46 actually, Maine has one. One district new. Was that New Mexico? None. New Hampshire, None. These are. These states are all one third to one half Republican with no congressional seats. So California is able to squeeze a few out. Virginia, of course, is trying to put five congressional districts in Fairfax county, which would eliminate. The state's going to eliminate four Republican seats, but Republicans can gain upwards of 30. Democrats can gain, I think, like 10.
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Brett Dasovich
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
So ultimately, we end up with. On the. In the middle of the road, Republicans being plus 20.
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Brett Dasovich
There was just something always so depressing to me about being like the Republicans in California, and they're like, we're going to squeeze a few more seats out of you. As if they haven't already been beaten
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Tim Pool
down enough out there that Virginia.
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Ian Cross
They really. They really showed the vulnerability and the way it had been being legalized. What they did in Virginia, what they tried to do, how do they split the. Was Alexandria.
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Tim Pool
They tried to split it into Fairfax County. Fairfax, yeah.
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Ian Cross
Try to split into five different districts.
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Tim Pool
Yeah. Than their own Supreme Court. They have five districts with thin, tiny strips stretching into just Fairfax County.
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Ian Cross
I think you're right.
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Tim Pool
It's gonna be hard to prove that
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Ian Cross
it's done for race.
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Tim Pool
That's the thing.
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Ian Cross
That's.
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Tim Pool
How do you prove that? Because historically it was. It's in the historical record. That's the point. They were literally saying this. So the issue is that when these states drew these maps, they were told explicitly, you must draw them based on race. Based on that precedent, they're gonna say, we have to redraw. And how are you gonna challenge.
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Ian Cross
They're just reversing the precedent that was already set.
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Tim Pool
We used to call.
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Ian Cross
In fact, they're turning it. They're not only reversing it and undoing it, they're like, turning it around and forcing a different direction. I think we used to call affirmative action in high school. This is the mid-90s. We'd be like, isn't that reverse racism? That if a guy who's not as qualified as me, but is a black guy gets the job instead of me, who is better? Isn't that. And they're like, no, no, no, it's not reverse racism, bro. It's racism. And I do understand lifting up people that didn't have much growing coming up,
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Alex Stein
but, like, you want to help out marginalized communities, but to a point, like,
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Ian Cross
I'm not going to stomp on my own foot to make my other foot, you know, run faster.
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Alex Stein
Like, I agree. I mean, I feel like that's a lot of what it Is it's toxic empathy, basically. Like we are just trying to help people to hurt ourselves.
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Tim Pool
You know, if Republicans pull this off and actually flip the VRA seats, the makeup of Congress will be Republican 247 to Democrat 182 and one independent. What makes me.
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Ian Cross
When you said nothing happens, that was a weird kind of.
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Tim Pool
I was like it just seems such
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Ian Cross
an extreme change that it can't. Like the way the world seems to work is slow change from my perspective.
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Tim Pool
Oh, it's gradual then sudden. That's.
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Ian Cross
I've heard that too. In fact, what's the name from black
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Tim Pool
look at cell phones.
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Ian Cross
Yeah. Stuff. It doesn't happen like that.
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Tim Pool
The Internet emerges in, you know, in the late 80s and enters into common parlance in the early 90s, but not particularly ubiquitous by the. By the late 90s, everyone I knew was online. Every time they weren't out doing something, you came home, you went on the computer. By 2008, the Internet was in everyone's pocket all at once. I think over the span of one year, the Internet went from something that took 15 years to see adoption to instantly everyone had it 24, 7.
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Brett Dasovich
I mean it wasn't that like closer
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Tim Pool
to 2012 like with the iPhone 4 like 2008. 2007 was the introduction the iPhone 3.
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Brett Dasovich
But like it wasn't mass adopted until people had like the iPhone.
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Tim Pool
No, that was the iPhone was the introduction of ubiquitous Internet.
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Ian Cross
3GS was what it started to kick the thing.
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Brett Dasovich
But that's not every. I guess I'm just. It's a semantic. It's like not everybody.
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Tim Pool
The term being used is ubiquity. Okay.
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Alex Stein
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
We were like literally everybody had one online. That was the beginning. At which point mass adoption skyrocketed in one year. It's a jump of double digit percentage year over year and over the course of 15 years. I mean going 2008, you have the course about 15 years of people slowly adopting Internet and arguments being made. It will not take over to then when the span of two years. Everybody has it this.
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Ian Cross
Oh, go ahead. Oh, the. This seems like a situation where people are like what nine people are trying to decide for 100, 500,000 people how to live their life.
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Tim Pool
You mean one person decides for 775,000?
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Ian Cross
Yeah, yeah. Well, with the Supreme Court. Because I often think like okay, I like the Supreme Court, I like that it exists. But at the same time, six stodgy bastards can't just like decide that I have to go smell poop.
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Tim Pool
It's nine. Nine. But six of them. And you're ignoring the appellate courts and the lower district courts in which there are thousands.
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Ian Cross
Not ignoring, but like these top down authority does make like nine people. That's a very small number of people that can get corrupted, you know, so it's. You're putting a lot of faith in these nine people to make the right decision.
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Tim Pool
But again, it's not nine, it's thousands.
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Ian Cross
I'm just talking about the Supreme Court.
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Tim Pool
The Supreme Court doesn't hear every single case ever.
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Ian Cross
No, but when it does and it makes a drastic decision that changes society, I think if you have a grievance with that, what would be the okay to like investigate that grievance?
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Tim Pool
What's.
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Brett Dasovich
What would be the appropriate number of people to make that decision?
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Alex Stein
He wants to pack the Supreme Court. I can tell already, I do. You do want to pack it?
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Tim Pool
Of course.
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Ian Cross
If they can work fast enough.
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Tim Pool
Absolutely.
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Alex Stein
With just conservative judges. Yeah.
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Tim Pool
Just clone, you know, honestly. Don't get me. Conservatives, just not communists.
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Alex Stein
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
If they're not a communist, it's fine. And the argument made for why is that there are. Was it 13 federal districts? Federal. They're not called districts, they're called something else. And when we, when we created the Supreme Court, there were nine. So we created a Supreme Court justice for each of the nine. Then when we added four more, we never added any new justices, we just doubled some up. So that's the argument that's been presented for a long time as to why we need to add new justices. Because the country got bigger and we never did. Democrats are going to do it. We better do it before them.
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Brett Dasovich
Can I ask you a question? So you mentioned Roe v. Wade earlier. How has abortion in this country changed?
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Tim Pool
It's completely illegal in Oklahoma now. Texas too. Yeah, Texas.
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Brett Dasovich
But I'm saying like people's attitudes towards it have changed. I still see people give statistics saying like what? People are aborting babies at just as high a rate before.
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Tim Pool
Can't do it in Texas, Oklahoma, or I think what Louisiana and Arkansas. It was under, under the Supreme Court ruling of Roe v. Wade, they could not make it illegal. They could put certain restrictions on it. Roe v. Wade is overturned. And overnight they. There were several states that had. What are they called you said, the Harvey Bill. There are laws that are in place that as soon as the Supreme Court precedent changed, they instantly went into effect.
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Brett Dasovich
Okay, so my point is more. So is there something similar? That was kind of my point. I was drawing comparison to what just happened here. Is there something similar that could happen in, like, the span of just one night, that will happen.
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Ian Cross
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
Right now someone can file a lawsuit. A regular fat, middle aged guy. Yes, absolutely. I bet as soon as the news broke, there were a bunch of NGOs that already had the lawsuits drafted and ready to go. Because this is a very obvious GOP play to win the midterms. Like, the strategy is obvious. We want to get rid of the vra. Now, what's funny is Republicans are cheering for SCOTUS not getting rid of the vra, because under this opinion, it's narrow. What's being argued is now the Republicans can actually use the VRA to get rid of any districts that they feel is racially gerrymandered. So if they got rid of it, then it's okay, we'll just don't do it again. But with it still intact, you can now have some middle aged, you know, fat white guy who makes 30,000 a year say he can go to a nonprofit and be like, yeah, sue on behalf of me because they're discriminated against me for being white. Okay, well, VR races. You can't do that. There it is.
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Ian Cross
Yeah. I mean, honestly, race shouldn't impact how you vote. It shouldn't.
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Tim Pool
Can you, can you just. Can we just pause real quick and just think about the degree of absurdity that at some point in this country, they said we should have members of Congress whose standing in Congress is based just on their skin color.
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Ian Cross
That's like the antithesis of this country.
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Tim Pool
That's the antithesis of what civil rights was supposed to be.
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Ian Cross
Civil rights.
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Alex Stein
We had a vice president based the fact that she was multicultural and a
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Tim Pool
woman Supreme Court justice multicultural. I don't want to call it black
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Alex Stein
because she's not really black.
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Tim Pool
She was a woman of color.
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Brett Dasovich
Ian.
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Tim Pool
There are 1,775 federal judges. The Supreme Court doesn't hear every single case. Sometimes when a case goes for the Supreme Court, they look at it and go, we have nothing to say about this and reject it.
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Ian Cross
Are the other courts beholden to states or are they, like, federally bound?
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Tim Pool
It's federal for federal law.
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Ian Cross
Do they all work out of D.C. no, they're in states, but they do federal.
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Tim Pool
They're all over the country.
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Alex Stein
New York.
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Tim Pool
Yeah. So the big controversy with the initial. Both the initial birthright citizenship suit to the Supreme Court, Trump's administration argued not on the citizenship question, but on the. The universal injunction question. Because for a long time, judge in this country had insane authority. You could be a lower court federal judge who handles specifically Washington area And what actually happened is that the Trump administration said, no more transgenders in the military. They get sued by three transgender individuals. And in different jurisdictions, the result is they get an injunction on the. So there's an injunction issued saying, trump, you can't bar transgenders, so you have your. Your. Your executive order no longer applies. Trump then appeals the higher court. The appellate court says, no, no, no, no, no, no. Trump has final say on who can. His ban on transgenders will stand. Instantly, another judge in a lower court issued another injunction, at which case, now you've got two separate injunctions. One, one. One appeal staying that injunction, but another injection being active. And the Trump administration asked the Supreme Court, how can we have 400 plus lower court judges all issuing injunctions on literally every single person in the class without establishing class? And Supreme Court said, correct, they cannot. This means that if you sue, and this is actually a nuclear bomb as well, if you sue because Trump says, no long haired, freaky people in the military. And then Ian goes, well, I'm a long haired, freaky person, so I'm suing. Remedy can only apply to you. They can no longer issue injunctions for anyone who's like you. Oh, yep. Only. Only the Supreme Court.
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Ian Cross
So the transgender people that would be kicked out of the military due to his rule, then congratulations. They could get some money from themselves, but they wouldn't.
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Tim Pool
They wouldn't get money. They get admitted. So those three people would be allowed to go in if they win, but nobody else. Which. There was another interesting case that happened, which is really funny based on that ruling, I forgot what the case was. It was a few months ago, some libs sued the Trump administration and won on something that should be precedent setting. And the Trump administration said, okay, you win. They refused to issue an appeal, meaning that the three plaintiffs in the case got their remedy, but no one else did. Oh, this was an immigration issue. Some people were suing over birthright citizenship. I think won their case. Normally, what would happen is the government would then appeal to bring it to the higher court. They said, okay, you three people can have your immigration status.
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Alex Stein
Nobody else.
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Tim Pool
But nobody else.
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Ian Cross
Because if they had appealed it, then everyone could have gotten.
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Tim Pool
Because they could get to the Supreme Court, which would then issue a nationwide precedent. Yeah.
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Ian Cross
Good strategy.
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Tim Pool
Yep. So they're just like, okay, every single one of you will now have to sue unless a class is established. And that's what they're trying to do. So they have to establish a class and justification for why that class exists.
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Ian Cross
So could people that are suing their states. Could they be like, hey, we as white people demand you redress these or redraw these gerrymandered lines? Yes, and the class would be white people literally be a thing.
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Alex Stein
I don't know.
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Ian Cross
This is spectacular information, but I want to hear Alex Stein talk about aliens all night. I don't know about you, I still want to talk about this more.
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Alex Stein
Elon and Ashley Sinclair and like baby, what are we doing here?
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Tim Pool
Well we got one more story to get to before talk about Elon making babies on Mars. We got this from Washington Post. Florida has approved its redistricting plan intended to give GOP four More seats. So let me. Let me do some things. Really interesting. I want to pull up 270 to win and show you where it gets real weird. Real weird. We pull up the House interactive map and we can take a Look at this. 270win is already using Virginia's map. Oh, gee. Even though. Oh, I gotta reset this. Even though. Can you reset for me? A court has already ruled. It is on. They're not allowing it. 270win still considers these to be the official districts of Virginia. Can we just do this? Can you just look at this? Five districts. Look at this. Look at this pathetic little thing right here. Look at that. It's probably like 2ft. There's like 2ft of district right there. That. Amazing. It's all water. So you've got all of these thin strips stretching into Fairfax county so they can artificially create five Democrat seats. Now Florida is going to redistrict, and that's just the first step. That map we showed in the previous segment, I don't know if I have it pulled up still.
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Alex Stein
Do we have.
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Tim Pool
Maybe it was. Where was it? Here we go. This. This map includes Louisiana and Florida. So if we eliminate 2 and 4, this means between these other states, there are six seats that can be flipped. So what do you guys think? Is this. Is this hypocrisy? We're all complaining about Virginia, but Republicans are doing it all the same.
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Alex Stein
Yes. I mean, technically, yes.
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Tim Pool
I mean, but this is literally.
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Brett Dasovich
Isn't this the argument that happens every time whenever they talk about ending the filibuster, they say, do it now, otherwise they're going to do it to you.
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Tim Pool
See, the thing is, Democrats do do and Republicans don't do.
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Brett Dasovich
That's what I'm saying. Like, it. Like, the conservatives concern themselves with concepts like hypocrisy, and political operatives do not concern themselves with stuff like that.
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Tim Pool
Like, going to the comey thing, too, is like wrapping all this, this lawfare and war into one big picture. We talked about it last night. Donald Trump was charged with a crime because his lawyer claimed he could read Trump's mind. Cohen's like, I thought Trump wanted me to do bad things, so I did. And then they're like, okay, Trump, you're under arrest. If that's the standard Democrats are using, I say just run them over.
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Ian Cross
All that aside, the one you showed with, like, the 48% of people were Republican, but they had zero seats in the state. It was kind of ridiculous.
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Tim Pool
Yeah, Just.
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Ian Cross
Just off of the stats.
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Tim Pool
There you go.
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Ian Cross
Kind of wild.
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Tim Pool
This is what Democrats do when they have power and Republicans don't.
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Ian Cross
Are there inverse situations where there's 38, 48% Democrats and they have no seats in certain states just because big cities.
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Tim Pool
No, to be fair, probably. But the thing about Republicans red states is that they're less populated, so you don't have major urban centers. The issue with Massachusetts, the example that I'll give you is in Illinois, they intentionally connect urban centers to create districts. In Massachusetts, they intentionally do not. So they can take out the. The. They can remove the political voice of the rural Republican. If so, with Massachusetts, you have dense urban pockets. So they. They take all the rural areas and connect them to the urban pocket so it turns blue. In Illinois, you have small urban pockets. So they create thin strips to create. To combine them and to create one Democrat district. If the Democrats did the same thing, Massachusetts, they would connect the cities, creating rural Republican districts. But they don't do that. They intentionally do this. So maximum warfare, Right? So Hakeem Jeffries said, and when asked if he shouldn't have said that, he says, I don't give a damn.
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Ian Cross
Oh, he's lost his patience.
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Tim Pool
That's a. I don't think these people had patience to begin with. I think they are. I think they're communists. And I'm not saying literally every Democrat voters are communists. I'm saying when you look at the ethos of communists, Democrat politicians. Hold it. And this is funny. I was watching a video about the original Animal Farm. Considering all the Animal Farm hubbub.
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Alex Stein
Oh, Angel Studios. Shout out. Angel Studios. Yeah, yeah.
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Tim Pool
But the original Animal Farm, it's really interesting. The reason Orwell chose the pigs to be the leaders is that pigs are smart. The reason he chose the dogs to be the guards is because dogs are not as smart, but smart. And then the pack animals are hard workers but not very smart. The point he was making was that in a communist takeover, the ultra, the smarter people steal power to manipulate the stupid. And he brought up the point of Boxer, the horse representing the industrious working class who truly believes in the revolution and just does whatever they're told. Then the moment they are, they are no longer useful. Instead of getting their just desserts, they're sold off to a glue factory.
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Alex Stein
Well, Machiavelli, he said it best, is that most people are good, but the people in power most of the time are not good because they had to do something to get in power. Like they had to do something cutthroat or something bad.
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Tim Pool
So, like the deal I did with Netanyahu you know exactly when the show kissed the wall.
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Alex Stein
You haven't kissed it yet, but I know you're going to get close to it.
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Ian Cross
That's sort of an argument for monarchy, or at least hereditary rule. The child that didn't ask for it receives the power. He's like, I don't want this, but I'll do my best with it. Like Kim Jong Un, for instance.
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Alex Stein
Yeah, or his. What is his daughter.
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Tim Pool
Pretty sure he wanted it. He had to have his uncle, 9% of the vote. Can you imagine 12 year old, chubby low Korean guy being like, kill him.
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Ian Cross
That's the crazy thing is if you were 12 and your, your dad died and all his buddies going like, your uncle's going to kill you if you don't have him killed right now. And you're like, I'm 12. And they're like, trust us. And you're like, okay.
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Tim Pool
That's the way it always was. And if he fled, they'd kill him wherever he went.
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Ian Cross
And so they turned this 12 year old into a blood, like a forced maniac essentially, to survive.
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Tim Pool
And that's why they kill Czar Nicholas. Because he tried to run away?
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Alex Stein
No.
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Tim Pool
At first, the Bolsheviks, they lock him up and they're like, listen, we're taking over. We don't want to kill you or hurt you, so just chill here. We're in charge now. And then it was some, like, sometime later they showed up and said, the people are worried that if you're still alive and your kids are alive, they may try to make a claim for rightful governance. So bang, bang, kill this kids. Kill this whole family. That's what commies do. Commies do it.
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Ian Cross
Yeah, they had them sequestered.
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Tim Pool
You know what else communists do is they wear your traditions and institutions like skin suits. Yuri Besmanov warned us about this. They will infiltrate your institutions. They will twist them and burn them down. They will, they will do things like, they will reimagine your traditional art in ways that is shockingly offensive and then infiltrate your conservative institutions to push that pro communist message upon you, and they'll pay your own friends to promote it, and your friends will do it with a smile on their face. Was Hitler.
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Ian Cross
Hitler was just like, really? His main thing was I hate communists. Was that his main thing was anti communism.
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Alex Stein
We were talking about before, like gypsies very much.
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Tim Pool
He thought part of it is that they were occultists who thought that they were part of some like other race of people or something.
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Ian Cross
The lot there, the Red Scare was permeable. In Germany, though, they were really afraid and angry at Communists. They were a lot of that.
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Tim Pool
Well, they thought that, like, one group
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Ian Cross
of people would never be satisfied with enough, and they needed to get rid of those people for their own.
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Tim Pool
This is the thing, though. The communists and the fascists. The principal difference between these groups, and I don't mean any specific fascistic political organization with an ethos or a mandate. I'm saying the general idea is progressivism versus traditionalism. They're both authoritarian groups that generally believe you must eliminate the undesirables. The question is the structure of culture. So the communists want to eliminate tradition and blank slate everything, and the fascists want to uphold tradition and have, you know, like traditional human gender force people
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Ian Cross
to say the Pledge of Allegiance, for instance.
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Tim Pool
No, that's not really it. It's more like There is no. It's more like no porn, no gambling, men and women get married, no gay stuff. And communists are like. Humans are blank slights that can be or do anything you program them to be. Both groups alternate.
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Alex Stein
Want to kill gender books. Remember that all the books about transgenderism be burned.
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Ian Cross
That one night they did a huge book burning. But you mean in. Just in general, in society, they.
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Alex Stein
I'm just saying, like, that was.
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Ian Cross
I know. That's the thing. Hitler, you. If you identify with the modern era, a lot of the puritanical mindset was like, in that guy. And like, how pure. How pure do you want your society Only a little dirty? Are only.
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Tim Pool
Only a little bit.
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Ian Cross
Yeah, I know. So I always say I hate communism. I don't hate communists.
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Tim Pool
Oh, I hate communists.
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Ian Cross
Are you not like, they're misguided and can easily see the light if you show them.
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Tim Pool
We need to watch Animal Farm. The old one. Not the old one.
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Alex Stein
Sometimes the kids that identify as communists are not that bad. They're just kind of like, you know, brainwashed, I would say. I think Ian has actually a point.
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Tim Pool
My question then to Ian, because I don't think you'd understand. It is Ian. When the Lich King stands atop the mountain, you can point to him and say that. Is the Lich King correct?
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Ian Cross
Yes.
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Tim Pool
And you say he is evil? I think so, yeah. Right now, when he turns the townspeople into mindless, undead, ravenous zombies that will kill you and the curse cannot be undone. Do you just go, well, let them be? I mean, I don't got a problem with them. Remember, it's not Arthas.
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Ian Cross
That was the one. It was the Lich King himself. Arthas is only subsumed by it.
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Tim Pool
Arthas raised Stratholm because the people in it were converted to undead and they couldn't be saved. Don't you forget it.
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Ian Cross
I think all souls can be reunited.
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Tim Pool
Let me, let me. Let me just whittle through the esoteric please garbage. The story is that there was a kingdom where the people had been poisoned with a disease and it was spreading. So the.
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Alex Stein
What was it?
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Tim Pool
So the king. Well, it was the scourge. So. But we don't want to get esoteric. The point is this. The story is a kingdom had been infected. The people were dying and it was spreading. So the king surround. Raised the whole.
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Ian Cross
It was also. They were turning into zombies. Turning them into zombies.
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Tim Pool
I know, but we don't need to be over my plans. Evil.
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Ian Cross
So he was like, I need to purge the town. And the paladin's like, don't do it. You can't do that.
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Tim Pool
That's too far, dude.
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Ian Cross
And he's the king's son and he's
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Tim Pool
like, we're doing it.
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Ian Cross
No, they sacrifice these. These dying people. So they don't.
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Alex Stein
Why it's called the lynch pen with the Lich.
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Tim Pool
The Lich King.
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Ian Cross
Basically that act, that act of utilitarian evil you might call it. The point is protect reality. Made him become this in this first step.
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Tim Pool
In basic fantasy lore, there is a Lich. It is a conscious undead entity and it converts or it converts people to undead or makes them undead like zombies.
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Alex Stein
It's a zombie.
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Tim Pool
Well, so a zombie is control zombies perhaps. So the point I'm making with this, outside of the joking with Ian about fantasy stuff, I'm sure many people understood the fantasy officer. For those that don't, there are people in the Democratic Party that. That know full well what they're doing. They understand they're manipulating people and they're lying and cheating for power. And then there are regular working class people who have no idea what's going on, but believe in the cause and become npc Mindless zombies. Some of them become violent. They become cogs in the machine. The point I'm making is that we know the Democrats allegory Lich King are evil intending to do evil things. Not every single one of them. I like rock and I like Fetterman, but the zombies on the ground are mindless. You're not convincing them of anything. You can't go to them and say, listen to me. They're going.
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Alex Stein
Can't reason with them.
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Tim Pool
No.
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Alex Stein
Yeah.
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Ian Cross
Well, if you played Age of Empires, you know that a priest can. A priest can turn you over to our side.
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Brett Dasovich
So glad you mentioned Fetterman. Fetterman 2028.
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Tim Pool
I'm still on board. I wanna, I wanna jump to this story right here and this is in Life.
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Ian Cross
Ashley, come back on.
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Tim Pool
This story is in light of a recent report from the Wall Street Journal that claimed left wing violence only slightly outpaced right wing violence. Batya Unger Sargon addressed this in a long post as well as on News Nation pointing out that these studies, like csis, Cato and others will claim that, let's say like a white supremacist in his trailer in Arkansas gets up one day and goes to his next door neighbor to buy meth and then a fight breaks out and he shoots him. They call that right wing violence. It's not. They will claim, they did claim that a white supremacist who punched his wife and was arrested on for domestic abuse was right wing violence. Well, I don't care about that because it's not meaningful to me. That does not explain to me what is going on politically in this country. So here's what I did. Using Grok, Chat, GPT and Google, I searched for, and I did this over a couple of hours, all instances of political violence in the past 10 years where the motivations are known, clear and commonly held political beliefs. Boy, let me tell you, ChatGPT basically like insulted me, attacked me and refused to cooperate. It kept saying things like but Nazis are. It was like so. So the first thing it does is it's like here's a list of politically motivated attacks and that lists a bunch of neo Nazi violence, things that were not even well known or in the press. And then I just simply asked is neo Nazism a commonly held political belief? And it went, no it is not. And then I said okay, then we shouldn't include that in a graph talking about commonly held political beliefs that that motivated people towards violence and it goes right, but if you do that, there is no right wing violence. Literally what it told me. And I said, well I guess that's the case then. So I went through a huge list. I had both Grok and chatgpt pull up. I personally fact checked. I had some removed where I thought it was ambiguous on the left. There are some instances of left wing violence where I don't know, the motivation was clearly cut in a mainstream way. However, as you all know, overwhelmingly it's going to be the right wing attacks they claim to get removed. In response to this, leftists have said why aren't you including neo Nazis? To which I responded no mainstream political personality or politician endorses those views and advocates for them. So I don't care about the fringes that we've already condemned. So we pulled up a list and what do you get in the past 10 years?
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Tim Pool
There have been 460 plus commonly held left aligned politically motivated attacks and only one right wing aligned politically motivated attack. Some people on the left say what about that guy in Minnesota who killed those those Democrats? The motivation was not political. It was interpersonal. And even then there is no clear cut commonly held political belief that motivated him to do it. The argument from the left is but he had some of those views. That's great. Did those views lead to the attack? Some have mentioned the attack on Paul Pelosi. DePape was not motivated by commonly held political views. If a lunatic commits an act of violence, I don't care. I didn't include in the left the killing of Aryna Zarutska. But I could have. It was a black guy who said I got that white bitch. That would qualify the same as the neo Nazi attack. I did not include those. This is specifically is the motivation something a Democrat or mainstream liberal pundit has said? When the attack happened, was that their their motivation? Okay, well then we include it in the list. This means things like the George Floyd riots. This means the killing of Charlie Kirk. This means the ice attacks. This means the attack on the ice facility in in the Tacoma ice facility where the guy yelled I am antifa. So long as mainstream Democrats defend antifa and say they're just they're peaceful protesters or mostly peaceful protests. It's in the list. Key takeaway from 2017 to 2026 verified politically motivated violence is overwhelmingly driven by left aligned extremist activity. Right aligned violence is limited to a single major incident in the entire period.
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Ian Cross
What was it, by the way?
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Tim Pool
January 6th.
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Brett Dasovich
I suppose the big problem would be that the people on the left that don't really understand the way people on the right think because they see them as caricatures would assume that the people on the right do see neo Nazis as a typical part of the political.
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Tim Pool
Well, they're retarded. The point is, this list is not for liberals. This list is not to convince liberals. This list is because I am sick and tired of conservatives arguing with liberals. And I hear the liberal go, the right wing is responsible for way more political violence. And then the conservative goes, but that changed recently. No, it didn't. You can't take Cato's data and claim a meth head with no teeth who no one's ever heard of getting into a fight over meth is right wing violence. More importantly, Charlie Kirk famously kicked white nationalists out of his events all on camera, saying, you are not welcome here. So when they say right wing violence, what? Imagine there's a guy who believes that the moon is made of cheese and that NASA gets is importing all the cheese. That's retarded. Right? Now imagine if he went to a school and kidnapped the principal and said he secretly works for NASA administering the cheese distribution from the moon and kills him. Then Cato goes, right wing violence. That is not meaningful to me in any way to solve these problems. The issue is conservatives keep using that as the basis for. Yes, the right used to be violent. Incorrect, they have not been.
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Ian Cross
If you used neo Nazis and you made another infographic with them, I'd be interested to see.
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Tim Pool
It would be. Well, I could call neo Nazis left aligned because Graham Platner is running as a Democrat.
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Ian Cross
Really?
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Tim Pool
It's like whenever he had a totenkamp on his chest for 20 years.
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Ian Cross
I like, extremism is responsible for it, regardless of what side.
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Tim Pool
So how about we do this? Sorry, just real quick. Racial identitarianism is more dominant on the left. So neo Nazism should be included. Left aligned. Because that's where racial identitarianism is in, is. Is pushed for in government.
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Brett Dasovich
They also, like a lot of those studies, would include like Islamist violence as right wing.
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Tim Pool
Indeed. And they would include anti. Anything that was pro Palestine was removed from the list. But anything that was Islamist in general was right wing.
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Brett Dasovich
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
So if it was Islamist anti Israel, it's removed. But if it was Islamist general against the west, it was right wing. Yeah.
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Brett Dasovich
Plus we, we know that there's one side that makes Excuses for Islamist violence.
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Tim Pool
I'm going to make this argument. I'm asking a question. Which political party pushes for race based policies? Which political party generally?
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Ian Cross
The Democratic Party has.
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Tim Pool
Indeed. So when, when you're looking at the Democrats push for POC only spaces. Right. They did this at the UC system in California. They wanted race based dorm housing. Do you think a Nazi would agree or disagree with the Democrats plan for racially segregated dorm housing?
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Alex Stein
They would agree with it.
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Tim Pool
Then we should put every neo Nazi in left aligned.
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Alex Stein
Well, I mean if you look at the proud boys, they think that they're like the, you know, next coming of the. Of actual Nazis. And it was created by Gavin McInnes, a guy you've had on the show a bunch. It was a joke.
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Tim Pool
Like where Aladdin, right?
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Alex Stein
Yeah. Or no, it was a different play. It was called like proud of your boy.
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Tim Pool
Yeah, it was a song from the, from Aladdin, I think.
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Alex Stein
Is that what it was? But I'm saying it started off as a joke and they literally thought it was the biggest domestic terrorist organization in America. So I don't know. It can't be.
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Brett Dasovich
It wasn't funded by the splc.
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Alex Stein
I don't know if it was. I don't know. But I, I know that they had allegations that they were the ones that went after Gavin the most. So. But I don't know. Did you see F37? Do you see who, who that was got paid like $300,000.
- [55:55]
Tim Pool
They identified him?
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Alex Stein
Well, no, but they said it was, you know, organized.
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Tim Pool
F9 became an informant to the DOJ snitching on. So this is where things are crazy in the SPLC. In their response, apparently they said that their F9, that's what they're calling the person, their source informant has flipped and is now an informant for the doj, indicating the criminal case is predicated upon a neo Nazi telling the feds they were actually getting me to do these crimes. So when they say. And all the Democrats are like, no, no, it's just an informant actually. The informant told the DOJ apparently that they were paying him to commit the crimes and to do the hate. So yeah, this, this, this indictment doesn't come from nothing.
- [56:38]
Alex Stein
Do you think it was Richard Spencer or Nick Fuentes? People were speculating on the Internet that that was one of the names.
- [56:44]
Tim Pool
Nah.
- [56:45]
Alex Stein
You don't?
- [56:45]
Tim Pool
No, I, I don't think Fuentes is a fat or anything like that.
- [56:48]
Alex Stein
Oh, you don't?
- [56:49]
Tim Pool
No, I don't think Spencer is either.
- [56:51]
Alex Stein
A lot of people do. A lot of people Like, I'm not even saying. I'm not saying that, but, I mean, that's.
- [56:56]
Tim Pool
You think it's weird that Nick and Kenneth abruptly just traveled to Rome at the same time? Italy.
- [57:00]
Alex Stein
That was kind of weird, but the exact same. Pretty funny, though. Do you see that guy trying to get him to move his car and watch the video? Yeah, so?
- [57:08]
Tim Pool
So Nick's got a video where he's like, no one's going to believe it. Like, what are the chances that I go to Rome? And on the same day, Candace abruptly just announces she's taking an impromptu vacation?
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Alex Stein
You didn't hear what Laura Loomer said. It was because the Vatican invited them because the Pope's beefing with Trump. And so that's why the Pope is trying to get Candace and Nick anti Trump. Yes, that's what Laura Loomer said. She speculated that. I don't.
- [57:33]
Tim Pool
Well, to be fair, I mean, Nick does live in Chicago, and this is.
- [57:37]
Alex Stein
I know he is a Chicago Pope, and I think his brother still lives in the area.
- [57:40]
Tim Pool
And Nick would have to address it because everybody wants to know why they both went to Rome at the same time. And the only thing he could say is, it's a coincidence.
- [57:48]
Alex Stein
I swear, it is a weird coincidence. I mean.
- [57:51]
Tim Pool
No, I don't believe it.
- [57:52]
Alex Stein
You think they're having a meeting with the Pope?
- [57:54]
Tim Pool
Oh, I don't know about me with the Pope. I'm just saying it's not random that Nick and Candace both went to Rome at the exact same time abruptly.
- [58:01]
Alex Stein
Hmm.
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Tim Pool
Yeah, that's. That's it. I'm sorry. I don't.
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Alex Stein
I look, and then. Candace, did you love that true social post from Trump of the image of her face looking horrible? That was a. I. Oh, yeah. I mean, it wasn't a. I don't
- [58:14]
Tim Pool
think it was her, actually. It was someone else. Just some woman. Wasn't.
- [58:16]
Alex Stein
I think it was her from when she had a lawsuit and her apartment was. I think it's a real picture, but, I mean, I know Candace is your favorite podcaster, so I don't want to say anything to piss you off.
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Tim Pool
You know, I think. I think it's an op. I think the Democrats realized they couldn't get their left wing Joe Rogan. And we had predicted this back in 2024, that they were going to be dumping tens of millions of dollars. Like they pulled the contract from Rachel Maddow. These. These powerful interests have billions of dollars to spend, George. Sort of billions of dollars. They're not gonna sit there and be like, we lose the media game. But you're not going to get a left wing Joe Rogan because they want authenticity. So what happens? The interesting thing that I've brought up time and time again is that the RPMs on the search term Erica Kirk is comparable to finance, indicating there's either an algorithmic push or someone has put a ton of money on Google to pay people indirectly to make content about Erica Kirk.
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Alex Stein
Hmm, I don't know. I don't know if Google want is manipulating it like that. You think so? You think YouTube?
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Tim Pool
I said either algorithmically or someone put money on Google Ads. Any person in the world can go on Google Ads, set up a series of ad ad buys, put a million bucks per month and say target these search terms. And then what that does is the algorithm will promote that to sell inventory and that search term will see a higher return for the, for the person who created the video. Why Erica Kirk's volume is so high makes literally no sense. Typically if you have high content volume, you get low RPMs. If the inventory is massive, then the cost per then the advertiser can get cheap space, they don't gotta bid for it. If there's limited space like finance, the cost goes way high because there's not enough content to purchase.
- [60:02]
Alex Stein
Well, to be fair, there are a lot of people that are newish content creators that are getting tons of views just talking about Erica every day because
- [60:10]
Tim Pool
there's money behind it, why the algorithm is promoting it and why the RPM is so high does not make sense in the real world.
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Ian Cross
Yeah, it's totally. I mean it's a military tactic, dude. If you can get your adversarial nation citizenry to go at each other, you've basically won the war.
- [60:31]
Tim Pool
Let me frame it like this for you.
- [60:33]
Alex Stein
Arguing about him.
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Tim Pool
So in like 2008, the most valuable search term. Do you guys know what it was? You wanna take a stab at what the most valuable term I know that
- [60:43]
Alex Stein
the thing that Walmart sells the most of is bananas. That is a product they sell the most of. So I'm guessing something.
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Tim Pool
So the way Google Ads work for websites is if your website has a bunch of instances of a word on it, Google Ads will scrape it and then deliver ads based on those words on your website. It's a little bit different now, but this is 2008. Mesothelioma was number one. Number one because of lawsuits.
- [61:08]
Ian Cross
A lot of commercials back there were,
- [61:09]
Alex Stein
there were a lot of class action commercials, like crazy.
- [61:11]
Tim Pool
Exactly. It was the number one cpm. So what happened is Tons of people started making mesothelioma blogs and they would compete for the top search engine spot. If someone searched mesothelioma and you were number three on the list, you are probably making a million bucks a month. All your website was was one page saying here's what mesothelioma is, here's a list of people. And then Google Ads would appear and people could click to find a lawyer. The lawyers were paying insane amounts of money to find these clients. The point is economically when it comes to ads, the money comes from somewhere. So finance has a high RPM because there's a limited content space. But the people who purchase financial services tend to be wealthy. Poor people ain't buying wealth management for the most part. This means that a banker can spend 100 grand on an ad because one client might net him over, you know, over three years, half a million dollars. If you are selling politics, for instance, right now RPMs are between 5 and $8. Why ain't nobody advertising in politics right now? Not a single politician is buying. But come October, come September, maybe even August, RPMs and political content is going to go up to 10 to 15 and then peak at 20 bucks. During a presidential election, political content is going to be around $20. That's usually the high point and that's because every single political institution is buying to have an impact Right now what money is made by an advertiser on Erica Kirk? Nothing. There is nothing you can buy. There is no politics behind it other than to destroy Turning Point pre midterms indicative of a political play to prop up content that will burn Turning Point down because they're rallying young people to vote for Trump.
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Ian Cross
I think it's Republican, although it is tied with Turning Point that it's a hot button topic that'll get the Republican party's following to rip itself apart. Happens to be Erica.
- [63:10]
Tim Pool
The only problem is no one cares about politics in the off season so RPMs are low except on anti Turning Point content. So Charlie's dead and seven months later you will make bank by making videos attacking Turning Point.
- [63:24]
Ian Cross
For some reason you noticed comparable value to things just straight up attacking Charlie Kirk or Turning Point without mentioning Erica Kirk. Or is it the name Erica Kirk
- [63:33]
Tim Pool
that's getting the only so I Nobody's making seven months on incessant long form videos about in support of Charlie Kirk and opposing the conspiracy theories. The conspiracy theories get tons of views but specifically Erica Kirk which is why so many shows have started Kirk posting so many people have why that is the only Guess I have is that someone is dumping money right now to destroy Erica Kirk.
- [64:00]
Alex Stein
They're definitely coming after Turning Point right now because they can kind of smell blood in the water. You know what I mean?
- [64:04]
Tim Pool
Are you still doing stuff with Turning Point?
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Alex Stein
Yeah, yeah. We just wrapped up this semester. It was great. We just did Missouri. University of Missouri had a bunch of great debates. And Turning Point, I love him. I have no complaints. But right now, a lot of the goodwill that Turning Point had after Charlie's death, it's kind of the tide is changing a little bit.
- [64:20]
Tim Pool
Why is it changing?
- [64:22]
Alex Stein
Well, part of the reason is Charlie's not there.
- [64:24]
Tim Pool
Right. But.
- [64:25]
Alex Stein
And the Iran war, I think is a big thing because a lot of
- [64:27]
Tim Pool
people know Charlie was in favor of it.
- [64:29]
Alex Stein
He was loosely in favor of it.
- [64:31]
Tim Pool
Well, when. When Trump struck. So before the 12 Day War, Charlie said, no, no, no. When Trump struck, he said, I stand by my.
- [64:39]
Alex Stein
Charlie was going to go with whatever the administration wanted.
- [64:42]
Tim Pool
Exactly.
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Alex Stein
You know, he was a die hard. So listen, Charlie Kirk, a lot of people are doing revisionist history when it comes to Charlie and changing his political viewpoints. One thing I know that he might have had some criticism about Israel, but he would never stop defending them or supporting them.
- [64:55]
Tim Pool
I don't think that a month before he did a video with Colvitt where they're trying to convince Gen Z to back Israel.
- [64:59]
Alex Stein
Exactly. Well, I think that was actually a couple months before. But yeah, that video actually blew up where he had the Turning Point. Students kind of talk about the elephant in the room, you know, Israel's influence, which you don't think they have any. But I do think that said that you said they don't have any influence in that they're the good.
- [65:15]
Tim Pool
This is what I'm going to. I'm going to say this about the Israel people in my pocket. So the problem that we have right now in this country is, you know, I told this to Myron Gaines, like, I'm like, bro, when you post Happy Merchants, you lose any goodwill. You might have to convince people. And so if you look at like Dan Bilzerian's fans, if I say something on the show, like if I tweet right now the US should stop funding Israel, they will just attack me like crazy and then make videos insulting me and calling me a Zio shell. Even if I agree with them now, the question I have is what is the function of that? Do they want me to agree with them or to disagree? Most people, when attacked, take the inverse position. So the right, as I explain with Persuasion, social engineering. The first thing you have to do to convince someone is build rapport. Rapport, extreme turn. The first thing you do is you go to somebody. Let's say you find a lib, you want to try and change their mind. You have to agree with them and say, I hate Trump. You know, Kamala Harris all the way. Right. Actually, Bill Maher inadvertently does this on Club Random all the time. You then present an extreme circumstance they can't agree with. And in fact, Bill Maher does this inadvertently all the time, and then it forces the other person to change their mind. So good examples are when Seth Green was on Bill Maher's show, and he's like, I'm a lib. I hate Trump. Seth Green goes, okay, cool, we're friends. Then Seth Green goes, trump made me think about thought crime and how we're getting there. And then Bill Maher says, hate speech laws are a thought crime. He creates a circumstance where he's like, actually look at this extreme position. And it's not that heavy because it's inadvertent. Seth Green goes, wow, I never considered that. That's how you change your mind.
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Alex Stein
A very viral clip. So last week, same thing.
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Tim Pool
So the point I'm making about the Israel people is like, I'm going to throw up. My buddy Clint Russell, as a really great example, I have continually made the point that Israel derangement Syndrome is when you associate Israel with things that is totally unrelated to, like the opiate assassination
- [67:07]
Alex Stein
of JFK 9, 11.
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Tim Pool
Well, I'm not even getting that story, because conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories. No, I'm talking about the opiate trade and why West Virginia, okay? That's Israel derangement syndrome.
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Alex Stein
Well, the Sackler family was Jewish, all right?
- [67:19]
Tim Pool
And therein lies the issue that they find one morsel to connect the threads, even though the issue of opiates in West Virginia is more closely tied to China. If you want to make a political argument, Clint Russell then makes a video called is Israel Derangement Syndrome Debunked? With a picture of me in the thumbnail yelling at the camera where he criticizes me for things I never said. So what is the function of that? Is that to convince me that I'm wrong? Or is that to just lie for views on the Internet to pander to people who don't care one way or the other?
- [67:46]
Alex Stein
I think it's more of the lies just trying to make money, just trying to pay you because people do. You know, Tim, you are very popular, but the more popular you get, the More haters you get, you know that. So people are just gonna try to, I guess, clout chase or try to make money off that. So, I mean, I think that's more of it than it is like them trying to convince you or make you feel guilty for not agreeing with them.
- [68:05]
Tim Pool
The interesting thing, though, is the end result of, like, in response to having Randy Fine on the show, the end result of this is massive support for Israel. The response that I've.
- [68:15]
Alex Stein
Well, I would argue that Laura Loomer and Mark Levin actually create more anti Semitism than about anybody. Oh, yeah, well, Jake Shields could ever
- [68:22]
Tim Pool
imagine doing Mark Levin. I get Laura Loomer is not Mark Levin level, in my opinion. Laura Loomer is pro Trump. She takes the Trump thing on everything. Mark Levin is the Israel thing, and he is insufferable. But my point is, the response that I've gotten from normies after having Randy Fine on is, why are they so crazy about Israel? Oh, my God, dude. So I go play poker all the time. Randy Fine comes on the show. I talk to some random guy who's not big in politics. He sees the Twitter posts, he sees the comments, and he's like, what the is wrong with those people? The visceral, psychotic reaction to me having a conversation with a guy they don't like resulted in regular uninitiated people being like, wow, the anti Israel people are insane lunatics. So this is my point. I told Myron Gaines this. I'm like, bro, if you have an argument about Israeli government policies, military action, US Involvement, aipac and all that stuff, posting a happy merchant creates a repulsion.
- [69:17]
Alex Stein
Well, Kurt Metzger had a really good advice to me because we were just talking and he's very critical of Israel, but he said, you can never say the Jews. You can never say that. He goes, if you want to critique Israel, just never say the Jews and you'll be okay.
- [69:29]
Tim Pool
Dave Smith does a great job because he never does any of these ridiculous things. He has legitimate criticisms over Israeli policy and influence in the US Government. And that's what I told these guys. I said, you should be more like, Dave, be fun, be funny, and be smart and accommodating. But when you're antagonistic, people who watch that, take the side of the person who's victimized.
- [69:49]
Alex Stein
Yeah, of course.
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Tim Pool
So it's almost like these people are. Are pro Israel inadvertently. Because, you know, the argument is, well,
- [69:57]
Alex Stein
because they care about Israel so much that it's like they're obviously a little bit of a fan. If you know about Israel.
- [70:02]
Tim Pool
That's not what I mean. What I mean is, if you walked up to two people and they. And they were both, and one guy had his hands up being, please, dude, just stop. Just stop. And the other guy punched him, you would say the guy swinging is the bad guy, and you would rush to the fence of the guy who got hit. What if it turned out the guy who got hit was a pedophile who had just been caught with a child? This actually happened with Luke Rudkowski's friend, who. There was a shooting in a mall. His friend came in to stop the shooter and drew his weapon. When the police came in, they saw him with the gun and shot and killed him.
- [70:31]
Alex Stein
Oh, wow.
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Tim Pool
The point is, when it comes to issues of persuasion, if you really do have a legitimate criticism of Israeli influence because they've done something wrong, but you were online saying, fat Jews, you piece of trash. Regular people walk up and see you being crazy and take the side of the. Of the person who's being attacked.
- [70:54]
Alex Stein
Well, you just made $7,000 in the chat, so congrats.
- [70:57]
Ian Cross
Sure.
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Brett Dasovich
Ching.
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Tim Pool
7,000.
- [70:59]
Alex Stein
If they really paid 7,000 bucks, I probably would be pro Israel, honestly, if that was.
- [71:04]
Tim Pool
Let's talk about Animal Farm.
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Alex Stein
Oh, my gosh.
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Tim Pool
Do you promote them?
- [71:07]
Alex Stein
No, no, I haven't, but I've done a lot of stuff.
- [71:09]
Tim Pool
Did they. Did they try offering you money to promote Animal Farm?
- [71:11]
Alex Stein
I don't think so. They might have reached out to Rad, but I feel like we are promoting some Angel Studios, but not Animal Farm.
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Tim Pool
A bunch of people deleted their tweets, funnily enough.
- [71:18]
Alex Stein
Wait, wait, take that back.
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Tim Pool
The tweets that about, they were Animal Farm promos. There were a handful of ads paid Animal Farm promos from prominent right personalities, and they deleted them because they started getting attacked for it. I don't think Riley Gaines deleted hers, but hers looked like a copy and paste. And I got to tell you, Alex, it is fairly demoralizing to see all these right wingers promote welfare, soda, India, gambling websites, and a pro communist movie for money. They don't care. No, these people didn't watch the movie. They didn't. They make these posts. And you're supposed to believe the person you're following is expressing a genuine thought or opinion? Yeah, and I'm gonna say this again. I told my wife the reason why I made an announcement. We will not accept this money from Angel Studios is cuz I know this offer went out to a bunch of conservatives, and they're all gonna start promoting this. They're Gonna promote like, bro, let me tell you, conservatives are promoting communism for pay.
- [72:11]
Alex Stein
Yeah, they are. And I mean, to be fair, you know, everybody gets attacked and accused of being a grifter. And sure, we got to pay our bills, we got to sell a T shirt here and there, sell a little coffee, but when it comes to paid advertising, ads like that, people are just trying to make ends meet and they're gonna go. They don't care about the movie, they don't care about this, but this is
- [72:29]
Tim Pool
indicative of the rest of their opinions. Typically, these people, when they're not selling, they want clicks because they want engagement, they want ad dollars or otherwise. So I can only presume any one of these individuals who is willing to take money to promote welfare, soda, India, gambling, specifically Fly by Night, foreign gambling, and pro communism films wearing our traditions like skin suits, they're probably lying about all of their opinions because they're saying the things they think will get them clicks.
- [72:56]
Alex Stein
Well, we're going to find out very soon when MAGA is over, and we're going to see if J.D. vance or Rubio can just take the MAGA coalition and carry it. I don't think they. I don't think either of them necessarily can. I mean, if Hillary Clinton couldn't do it with Obama, then I don't think they're gonna be able to do it. But that's where we'll know who's going to be clicking and who's going to be on the side of politicians that aren't popular. Because people are gonna have to go either Ted Cruz or they're gonna have to go Thomas Massie. And I think that's going to cause
- [73:22]
Tim Pool
a lot Massey's neck and neck right now, Apparently. We were talking to Ed.
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Alex Stein
I mean, he should win. He acts like he's not scared of AIPAC spending all that money, but obviously it's a lot. It's very scary if they're doing it.
- [73:34]
Tim Pool
Yeah. I gotta be honest, though. I think Massie's got a bright future ahead of him. I think if.
- [73:38]
Alex Stein
How do you say that? You think he's gonna run for president?
- [73:40]
Tim Pool
No, he doesn't need to. I think if Massie leaves, his gravitas is tremendous and he can have way more persuasive power in the political space as a free agent as opposed to being in Congress.
- [73:52]
Alex Stein
I don't know if that's true. I mean, not having a position, the next administration's not gonna hire him. You think the left's not gonna h
- [73:58]
Tim Pool
saying he's going to be A prominent personality leading the charge in the populist, right?
- [74:05]
Alex Stein
Yeah, I mean, he kind of is. But I look at Marjorie Taylor Greene stepping down from Congress, it feels like all the people that are, you know, actually have the balls to speak out against party or.
- [74:17]
Tim Pool
Let me, let me tell you what's going on.
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Alex Stein
Okay, yeah, you tell me.
- [74:19]
Tim Pool
We're in the political dead season. Yes, I've been there, done that, talking
- [74:22]
Alex Stein
about this a lot. It's very dead.
- [74:23]
Tim Pool
And so these people are trying to figure out how to remain relevant when it's the only thing they have.
- [74:29]
Alex Stein
Well, that's true because there's, I think 452 congressmen and women and only about 25 of them are famous. So they're all trying to, you know,
- [74:36]
Tim Pool
but it's not just that. It's the pundits, it's the grifters, it's the, it's the conservative personalities. Right now, as the outsider Democrats have a ton of attention. Everything Trump is doing is evil. So they are the resistance. But if you are a conservative voter or a moderate right leaning voter, you don't care about anything. You voted for Trump and you left. Just like the Obama voters who are anti war left as soon as he got into office. This is every single political cycle. But what if you're a grifter who needs to sell ads? What if you need to post on X, get a million views so you can go to an advertiser who's willing to have you promote communism for pay? How, how do you do it if you're not getting the retweets? Well, secretly anti Trump, anti Kirk, anti Israel generates clicks, those three topics do.
- [75:20]
Alex Stein
But generally Fox News got their best ratings when Obama was president. Agreed. So it's easier to rift, quote unquote, if the opposite person is in power.
- [75:28]
Tim Pool
So here's the issue. When you are massively underwritten like Fox News with carriage fees and you're getting 80 to 100 million per year, no matter what, you can withstand an off year where no one is talking. I mean, you turn on Fox News right now and what are they talking about? They're talking about largely cultural issues. You turn on msnbc, the ballroom, they
- [75:46]
Alex Stein
won't shut up about the ballroom.
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Tim Pool
You turn on ms, Ms. Now, and they're like, trump is Hitler, the world is ending. They're kidnapping children. They're the resistance. So views for liberal content still remains high. Yeah, for exactly the reason you just described. Here's the thing, though. If you are a working class influencer who makes maybe 60, $70,000 a year posting YouTube videos and X posts. You lost all your views. Your, your, your numbers just went in the gutter.
- [76:15]
Alex Stein
Why?
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Tim Pool
Well, I mean, because when, when, when Obama was running for office.
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Ian Cross
Yeah.
- [76:20]
Tim Pool
All of the anti war people were on the streets every day.
- [76:22]
Alex Stein
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
As soon as he wins, they disappear.
- [76:25]
Alex Stein
Oh, yeah. There's no.
- [76:26]
Tim Pool
Trump wins for that side. This is what happens every, every political cycle. The president wins.
- [76:31]
Alex Stein
Like we won the culture war.
- [76:33]
Tim Pool
Right. And so what happens is after a presidential victory, you have the first hundred days, viewership declines a bit for the season, but people kind of stick around the, to see what the President is going to do. And there's a lot of attention around it. But into the next holidays, before the midterm spending cycle and after a presidential election, no one is following politics anymore. Right now with the culture war, Democrats are glued to it because Republicans control everything. Republicans don't pay attention because they control everything. So there's very little to say. Trump secured the border, he got the domestic issues. There are still the diehards paying attention. But if you were a guy who was making 70k a year posting X on X and making videos and doing memes, you're not getting those anymore. So what are we seeing? Right wing meme accounts are now posting generic viral videos or they're anti Trump. Now, because you go anti Trump, you get clicks. You go Erica Kirk, you go Israel, you get clicks. This, this trend is going to be interesting. As we get into the midterms, like with the Desantis cycle, we might see many of these people come back together. Do you remember, like the Desantis?
- [77:40]
Alex Stein
I don't think, I don't think there's a possibility where everybody comes back together.
- [77:43]
Tim Pool
Well, they sold their audience like CNN did. CNN had a moderate audience. Trump gets elected, they attack Trump and create a liberal audience. Few years later, they try to back away. Under Biden, their ratings are gone forever. Yeah, because the moderates used to watch are like, I don't want to watch that lib crap. You know, I was one of them. I used to watch CNN 24 7. I had always.
- [78:02]
Alex Stein
I still kind of watch it just for the opposition research.
- [78:05]
Tim Pool
But it's not news anymore. Yeah, that's the problem.
- [78:07]
Alex Stein
Well, I mean, Fox News is not really news.
- [78:09]
Tim Pool
No, Fox News is news. Bret Baier talks about what's going on in news. You want, you watch the Five, you watch Laura Ingram or Hannity, you're not getting news. Yeah, but you watch, you know, America
- [78:19]
Alex Stein
reports some news on there. But there is a lot of Bias. Let's not act like they don't have a huge conservative slant.
- [78:25]
Tim Pool
I'm not. I'm not arguing their pundits. I'm arguing Brett Baier and America's Newsroom. General news coverage is news. You turn on cnn, you don't get it. You turn on Ms. Now, you don't get it. So my point is what we're seeing now, when we get back into the political cycle, I'm looking at all these people that have turned themselves into Israel channels like, my dude, that is a small market share. It may be bigger right now than politics because politics is the off season. But if you just decide to be an Israel poster and you abandon your base, what are you going to be when politics is mainstream and $10 billion is spent in the cycle and regular people look at you like you're retarded?
- [78:59]
Alex Stein
Well, let me tell you why I think you're wrong, sadly, and I think it was Randy Fine that said it on this podcast, is that there's 9 million Jews in Israel. I think there's 15 million Jews in
- [79:09]
Tim Pool
America, and there's no, no 50 million diaspora worldwide.
- [79:12]
Alex Stein
Okay, so there's 15 million worldwide, but there's 1.8 billion Muslims. So there's always going to be a Muslim audience that is probably not going to be very pro Israel. So you could argue that, yeah, maybe your domestic audience might get smaller, but your international audience could blow up.
- [79:25]
Tim Pool
Completely agree. My point is that you're not going to have your audience back. You may, like, they may make money off, you know, Pakistan and Indonesia or Malaysia or something. But in three years, or, I'm sorry, in two years, when we're in the full throes of the presidential cycle and $7 billion is likely, I think the projection is what, 8. 8 billion for 2020. It's expected to be spent. I think Obama was. Was the first billion, and now it's expected to be, you know, exponential. You are going to have every facet of mainstream American culture focused on this upcoming election. We have a dual primary for the first time in what, 10 years? So we had the Republican Democrat primary in 2016, but then with 2020, we only had a Democrat one. And technically in 2024, we didn't have any primary at all because although there was technically a Republican one, or, I'm sorry, 2023 didn't really matter because everyone knew it was going to be Trump. For the first time, we have Democrats and Republicans in a primary season dumping billions of dollars. That amount of money is going to be focused on economics, Israel is not going to matter to your run of the mill plumber or teacher when it comes to how they're paying their health care bills. By all means, the Israel posters who channels are dedicated to nothing but Israel. Content may still get Malaysian viewers or a certain sect of American viewers, but it's small market share. My point is this. If you were a political channel that received a general political audience, you have growth potential. But the focus on Israel is, is, is limited domestic potential. By all means, you can do what Jackson Hinkle did. Move to Russia or whatever. Is that, is that where you went? He went to Russia?
- [80:57]
Alex Stein
I, I don't know. I mean, I know he's doing that like American communism gimmick, but I just. When it comes to this content, there is going to be an audience for
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- [82:06]
Alex Stein
Anti Israel crowd. And so I just don't think that she's going to die after the midterms.
- [82:10]
Tim Pool
No one said that.
- [82:11]
Alex Stein
Well, you just said Joe Plummer and stuff that people are not, you know, the uneducated voters are not going to be that.
- [82:16]
Tim Pool
I didn't call them uneducated either.
- [82:17]
Alex Stein
Okay, well, what do you insinuate?
- [82:19]
Tim Pool
My insinuation is a regular working class guy doesn't care. He wants to know how to get if we actually.
- [82:26]
Alex Stein
And that's the one thing, though. If you made a podcast talking all about American domestic issues, nobody's going to listen. But if you made a podcast talking about our foreign issues, people will listen
- [82:33]
Tim Pool
no, my point is, during a political cycle, everyone is listening because they want
- [82:40]
Alex Stein
to know who to vote in. Yes.
- [82:42]
Tim Pool
Right now, no one is, because nothing's happening and there's nothing you can do about it.
- [82:45]
Ian Cross
I think even during political cycles, 70% of the population's tuned out.
- [82:50]
Tim Pool
Yeah, that's actually. Well, you know, I'd flip a coin on that one. Maybe. Maybe you're half right. The issue is that politics right now in our generation is pop culture. When Jimmy Kimmel does nothing every day but talk about politics, I would largely disagree. I would say right now, if you look at search trends, it's all sports. People don't care.
- [83:11]
Alex Stein
And it's gambling that's driving a lot of the sports stuff.
- [83:14]
Tim Pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah. People right now are like, look, there's no elections. I don't care. No money's being spent. No one's focused on it. In the next couple of months, we're going to start getting all of this crazy primary action. Congressional primaries don't matter all that much, but about a month or two before the election, they're going to be spending billions of dollars on ads, and that's going to mandate that media shift. Put it this way. Let's say CNN advertiser comes to them and says, I want to run a commercial in my district on cnn saying, vote for me. But you guys only talk about sports, so I'm not going to buy from you. CNN goes, no, no, no, no, no. We're doing special election coverage. Okay, I'll buy from you. Now, these guys who do these ad buys are going to put a decent chunk onto espn. You will see political ads in every space possible. But the biggest chunk of ad spending appears in political spaces. Notably, when Bloomberg bought his half a billion in ads, it appeared on political channels. Because he's trying to capture the people who are folks in politics. He wants that name recognition. More importantly, he was targeting opposition. So my channel had an insane amount of Bloomberg ads on it. Like, that dude basically funded my entire, what, 2018, 2019. It was after that.
- [84:24]
Alex Stein
It was.
- [84:24]
Ian Cross
It was later than that, too. I was in the room.
- [84:27]
Tim Pool
It was nuts. Like, people would be like, bro, I watch your videos. I only get Bloomberg ads.
- [84:31]
Alex Stein
And I'm like, yeah, no, I.
- [84:32]
Tim Pool
Because Bloomberg knows you guys who watch don't like him. He knows I'm criticizing him, and this is his opportunity to put his message in front of my content.
- [84:41]
Alex Stein
Like how Ben Shapiro's ads all pull up. If you look at Tucker, I have YouTube Premium, so I don't see this, but I've seen screenshots. If you go look at Tucker's YouTube page, you're going to get targeted ads from Ben Shapiro.
- [84:52]
Tim Pool
Is it like a commercial being like, hey, guys, come watch?
- [84:54]
Alex Stein
Yes.
- [84:54]
Tim Pool
Yeah. But I don't, I don't think, I don't, I don't think he definitely wants
- [84:57]
Alex Stein
his audience, that he wants to get some of Tucker's.
- [84:59]
Tim Pool
I do not.
- [85:00]
Alex Stein
Don't play Dom.
- [85:01]
Tim Pool
I don't think that Ben Shapiro went on Google Ads and said, run my ad on Tucker content.
- [85:05]
Alex Stein
Somebody at Daily Wire did.
- [85:06]
Tim Pool
No, they probably went to Google Ads and said, if it's conservative, right leaning or in the space, run my ad on it.
- [85:12]
Alex Stein
Which includes, I mean, go look at Ben Shapiro. He makes a Tucker video every other day. So, I don't know.
- [85:17]
Tim Pool
I mean, so I, I have, I have, I have a Google Ads manager. I'll tell you how it works.
- [85:21]
Alex Stein
So they're being naive.
- [85:24]
Tim Pool
I, I think you don't know how Google Ads works.
- [85:25]
Alex Stein
You don't think anybody at Daily Wire that works on Ben Shapiro's social media said, hey, we're making tons of Tucker Carlson content. We should probably advertise it to the people that like Tucker, whether they change.
- [85:37]
Tim Pool
But they don't like.
- [85:39]
Alex Stein
Well, the, the majority of people that.
- [85:40]
Tim Pool
I'm saying, here's your JISOO page.
- [85:42]
Alex Stein
You want to watch a Tucker video?
- [85:43]
Tim Pool
I got it.
- [85:43]
Alex Stein
You're gonna get.
- [85:44]
Tim Pool
Alexander, the insinuation you're making is that Daily Wire is not profit motivated.
- [85:47]
Alex Stein
They are.
- [85:48]
Tim Pool
Then they wouldn't run the ads on Tucker content if they hate Tucker.
- [85:51]
Alex Stein
Well, you know, it's funny. We say they're profit motivated, they want to make money, but at the same time, I think you could argue that Ben Shapiro probably does work for Israel. And it's probably. I mean, honestly, I think you could make that argument, but.
- [86:01]
Tim Pool
And your argument is he's really dumb?
- [86:04]
Alex Stein
Well, no, because if they're just trying to get, if they care more about getting a certain message out than how many people actually see the message.
- [86:10]
Tim Pool
That's not what, that's not effective way to do it.
- [86:12]
Brett Dasovich
It.
- [86:12]
Tim Pool
So that's really dumb.
- [86:13]
Alex Stein
I think they're targeting Tucker fans. I don't know. I mean, I don't think it's as big a conspiracy and I don't think it's a big act.
- [86:18]
Tim Pool
I think, I think that the problem I have with it is you're making too many leaps. The way Google Ads works, I'll tell you, because I have an ads manager, is they do it for you.
- [86:27]
Alex Stein
Well, you can Search a certain demographic, a person that is indeed.
- [86:31]
Tim Pool
And you and you. Typically you can, but you usually don't say Tucker Carlson. You say conservative right leaning nationalist foreign policy and that will include Tucker Carlson. The insinuation that the Daily Wire intentionally runs their kind of on Tucker's ads implies. I don't want to say conspiracy but that means they're not profit driven because that would just lose them money. They wouldn't build audience that actually hurt their audience by doing so.
- [86:56]
Ian Cross
I don't know. It's not a horrible tactic. I mean we ran an ad on Sam Cedar's page, I think.
- [87:02]
Tim Pool
Yeah, well to be fair, we ran an ad on Sam Cedar's channel saying don't watch Sam Cedar.
- [87:07]
Ian Cross
It was kind of a gag.
- [87:08]
Alex Stein
I actually like that. But Israel is fighting in eight from war and they've spent billions of dollars, I mean that's what they say. A thousand million on trying to create more positive influence.
- [87:18]
Tim Pool
Oh yeah, has that worked out for him?
- [87:20]
Alex Stein
No, it's actually. But TikTok, you know, you can't, they're so. You can't even like post a juice bro on TikTok anymore.
- [87:26]
Tim Pool
Yeah. Except now the Ellison's announced that 49.5% of Paramount will be owned by the Saudis and the Qataris.
- [87:33]
Alex Stein
They own a bunch of movies and stuff. No, they own a bunch of our media. I don't know. Barry Wise. So getting a hundred million dollar deal, Tim.
- [87:39]
Tim Pool
50.
- [87:40]
Alex Stein
She knows she sucks. And her free press. Her free press gets no views, Tim. I mean if she got 150, you deserve a billion.
- [87:48]
Tim Pool
That's correct.
- [87:48]
Ian Cross
Yes, I do deserve a 50 million for a year for.
- [87:51]
Tim Pool
No, no, no.
- [87:52]
Alex Stein
To basically just have her company be the one that is running.
- [87:56]
Tim Pool
But I think you're missing the big picture. Yes, I think you're missing the big picture on this one. Here's what I think happened. I think Paramount, cbs, Elson, they went to Barry and they said we want you to run news at cbs. And she said I'm rich and I own my own company, I need to do it. And they said how much do you want to come and work at cbs? She's like I'm not going to do it. They said okay, how about we buy you out and then you come and work for us. And she said I've got 100,000 paying subscribers, I do eight figures, I don't need this job. Why should like here's the question. For a buyout when you're generating that kind of money, if you make 10 million profit per year, do you need to go work for somebody? The only way they could have got Barry Weiss is to buy her out for a ridiculous amount of money.
- [88:42]
Alex Stein
Yeah, but what, what they were buying is not worth that money. So I feel like they bought her because she's influential and they know that what, her bias is going to lean and they, they got mad at cbs. You saw that thing.
- [88:53]
Tim Pool
Wait, I got just what you said. What they're buying wasn't worth the money. They're buying a Zionist editor in chief.
- [89:00]
Ian Cross
Yes.
- [89:00]
Tim Pool
It's worth every penny to them.
- [89:02]
Alex Stein
Well, probably. So that's why they spin it. But there you go.
- [89:05]
Tim Pool
So it makes sense.
- [89:06]
Alex Stein
Well, and also, you know, there was this unfavorable News clip from CBS. It was 60 Minutes specifically where they talked about, you know, Gaza and said how it was bad. And they also covered the pager bombing and kind of showed a not super pro Israel side of the pager bombing. You know, they were a little more human.
- [89:22]
Tim Pool
Free Press has called, has said Israel's got an extremist problem and highlighted the West Bank.
- [89:27]
Alex Stein
When I think that you can't really debate that. I mean, it's pretty bad.
- [89:29]
Tim Pool
Even the Free Press is saying it.
- [89:31]
Alex Stein
I'm saying you look at the pictures before October 7th and it was a nice, you know, flourishing city on the water. And now you look at it and it's flattened.
- [89:38]
Tim Pool
Like, you mean Gaza? Gaza, Some of the West Bank. The Free Press wrote that the Israeli settlers are extremists attacking.
- [89:46]
Alex Stein
And they are. They'll just go into Palestinians houses and kick them out. Literally. Like there's those videos are. They go really viral. They're like hit them with their shoes and it's a bad situation. They're definitely violent in the West Bank. I think they're definitely violent in Gaza too.
- [89:59]
Tim Pool
Right. So ultimately there was a, I think Arne McIntyre said if your political elites aren't willing to drop billions of dollars to buy a media organization to support their cause, then what are you actually even doing? Something like that. And I'll put it this way. The, what I, what I love about the, the Israel conspiracy stuff is that Israel is just really, really bad at it. It's like you make tons of money on X being anti Israel.
- [90:26]
Alex Stein
Yeah. But I think this is the problem though is that in the 80s and 90s, even Howard Stern, he's Jewish, he would make all these Jew jokes. But now it's gotten where everybody's keeping score in the pro Israel crowd. And then if you even just make fun of them, you're an anti Semite. So they're creating more anti Semitism by accusing everybody of being a Nazi and anti Semite. I think that's what's hurt them in the public relations.
- [90:47]
Tim Pool
And they've always done that. There's a famous Seinfeld episode about this. I mean, actually, of course.
- [90:51]
Alex Stein
But I'm saying we used to kind of have a sense of humor about Jewish jokes back in the 90s.
- [90:55]
Tim Pool
And early George's dad.
- [90:58]
Alex Stein
Well, they do festive. They. They.
- [91:00]
Tim Pool
Yeah, yeah. He's like, everyone's anti Semite. And they're like, frank, not everyone's an anti Semite. He's like, it's anti Semitism. I'm telling you, no matter what it was, he was. Because he was. He was a Jew.
- [91:09]
Alex Stein
Yeah. So my point is, I think that we've gotten. Jerry still. We can't have a sense of humor about this stuff anymore. And I. I saw. Think your argument is correct. And I was trying to agree with you with the Kurt Metzger thing. When Myron does post the Happy Merchant, it is funny, but it gets him a lot of negative attention, which he can't really rectify.
- [91:27]
Tim Pool
There is a.
- [91:28]
Alex Stein
You can't debate that.
- [91:30]
Tim Pool
There is a guy who, you know, woke up this morning and he threw some melon into a blender with some yogurt and then he put a little almond milk in it and drank.
- [91:40]
Alex Stein
That sounds like you.
- [91:41]
Tim Pool
He opened up his sports betting apple, and then he was, like, looking at the games that were going on, and he turned on the news and then he heard something about his shooting with the White House. And he's like, wow. He's like, I don't. I don't even.
- [91:52]
Alex Stein
Do you think the correspondence thing was one second?
- [91:55]
Tim Pool
And he goes, I don't even. I don't even know what this is. I have no idea what's going on in the next few months. As we get into the political cycle, he's going to see more and more advertisements, and this guy generally just doesn't know or care.
- [92:06]
Alex Stein
Okay.
- [92:07]
Tim Pool
Then he sees Myron Gaines start dressing up like a Jew and doing Jew dancing. And then he goes, these people are assholes. And then he bumps into a Jewish guy at a diner who. Or like a Hasidic Jew. And then he just thinks like, well, that guy wouldn't mean to me at all. That's the normal interaction that human beings have if you live in New York.
- [92:27]
Alex Stein
Or he goes into a bank and they deny him for a bank loan. And he's like, ah, I don't like that.
- [92:31]
Tim Pool
That's just not realistic for a regular person. If you live in New York, you've probably bumped into an orthodox or Hasidic Jewish guy who was nothing but nice to you.
- [92:39]
Alex Stein
Yeah.
- [92:39]
Tim Pool
So I lived on Merlin Nostrand, and one block over, there was like a Jewish supermarket. And they were the nicest people in the world.
- [92:46]
Alex Stein
I would say generally, most Jewish people are actually secular and not even super religious and very laid back.
- [92:51]
Tim Pool
And this is the point. Not that Israel is good or bad or that, you know, Jews are in Hollywood controlling what you mean. None of that. My point is the regular interactions of a person tend to be. Not in the news cycle. Just, I got a friend who's Jewish. He's very nice to me. And then I saw this guy insulting him and accusing him of things on the Internet. I hate those people. So I'm like, Dave Smith is a comedian.
- [93:15]
Alex Stein
Yeah, he's good.
- [93:16]
Tim Pool
He goes into venues and makes everybody laugh and then has legitimate criticisms of US Military possible. And Israeli influence. And that regular guy laughs the whole time, busts a gut, and then says, that was interesting. I didn't know that Dave. He's smiling and happy. And Dave will say to him, don't be mean to your neighbor. And he goes, I agree. Dave gets the message through to people. And these other people, they don't. But you, White House correspondent center. Yeah, of course it happened.
- [93:44]
Alex Stein
Yeah. But didn't you. You saw the video where, you know, the Oz is on stage, and then you see Trump has, like, a normal face, and then Melania looks very scared. And in the video, you hear, like, the boom, boom, boom, boom. You hear four booms. I don't know. And there's every camera. I'm not saying it's fake, but, you know, I'm a big conspiracy theorist. I just. It seems like the coordinated effort or everybody's tweeting about the ballroom too, after that seemed kind of inorganic.
- [94:06]
Tim Pool
So some of it was. Some of it was obviously coordinated. Not all of it was like ballroom tweets. Yeah, Mike. Like, Mike Cernovich was roped into this. I'm like, that dude's not coordinating messaging the way these people. Other people are.
- [94:16]
Alex Stein
Well, there's some people that hop on it organically. Right. But you need a few big accounts to kind of.
- [94:20]
Brett Dasovich
You think it was inorganic? You think it was because the ballroom.
- [94:22]
Alex Stein
Well, I think. I mean, no, I did it. Possibility. I don't think Trump would actually do a false flag at this event. 8 Just the main benefit for the ballroom. Right. I don't think that.
- [94:33]
Tim Pool
And what's the benefit.
- [94:34]
Alex Stein
I don't know.
- [94:34]
Tim Pool
A Kamala Harris voter did not just put himself in prison for the rest of his life so that they could introduce legislation for a ballroom.
- [94:41]
Alex Stein
Well, but what I think is the more likely scenarios, it's not that Trump is like, playing 5D chess and telling Cash Patel, hey, do this, but it's that they have these, like, sleeper cell people that are mentally ill, that they've radicalized the Internet and at some point they could just do something that activates him.
- [94:56]
Tim Pool
This guy was not your typical mentally ill guy.
- [94:59]
Alex Stein
Well, he kind of was. He was a teacher. He was. He was a nerd. Yes. That's the type of person that.
- [95:03]
Tim Pool
Hold on, hold on. Let me finish my point. The scary thing about this guy was that by all modern sensibilities, he looked normal.
- [95:10]
Alex Stein
Yeah, he looked like he was.
- [95:12]
Tim Pool
He isn't some guy who had, like, you know, pictures of, you know, upside down Rush Limbaugh with, like, a knife in the wall or anything like that.
- [95:19]
Ian Cross
Do you think?
- [95:19]
Tim Pool
There he was a teacher who then traveled nonchalantly and coherently drafted a message saying, trump is an evil pedophile rapist. Those are common mainstream Democrat views.
- [95:30]
Alex Stein
Those are. And those are talking points I've had to debate all semester. But at the same exact time, he's a guy that's probably against the second Amendment, probably not a gun nut, but there are liberal gun nuts. So somebody had to radicalize him somewhere to be like, hey, get the gun. Drive across state lines, you know, go in there.
- [95:46]
Tim Pool
What do you mean?
- [95:46]
Brett Dasovich
Like a specific individual had to do that?
- [95:48]
Tim Pool
It was. It's called every day non stop, bro. We. We've talked about this radical.
- [95:54]
Alex Stein
They can make algorithm.
- [95:55]
Tim Pool
You have been on the show with us where we have said, after Charlie was killed, the rhetoric from all of these libs is an avalanche. That is normal, actually, after Luigi Mangione. Yeah, because when they celebrate assassins, it only takes one guy out of 70 million to decide to be the quote, unquote, hero the left has asked him to be. So who had to radicalize this guy? How about 70 million Kamala voters who are on TikTok saying who's going to do it.
- [96:20]
Alex Stein
But you're in a room with, like, thousands of people and he didn't even hit one person never got in the room.
- [96:25]
Tim Pool
What are you talking about?
- [96:26]
Alex Stein
He said he shot four rounds and then.
- [96:28]
Tim Pool
Okay, wait, hold on.
- [96:28]
Alex Stein
We did hear misinformation that he was taken out by the Secret Service. And you're like, what?
- [96:32]
Tim Pool
But, you know, he never got anywhere near the Ballroom.
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- [97:11]
Alex Stein
got, like, in the hallway.
- [97:12]
Tim Pool
There's a hallway that leads to stairs, which go down to the ballroom. And he got tackled in the hall.
- [97:16]
Alex Stein
Well, if he shot four times in a packed hallway, you think he would have hit one person.
- [97:20]
Tim Pool
You hit the Secret Service agent.
- [97:21]
Alex Stein
Is that true?
- [97:23]
Tim Pool
The official story is he fired and hit a Secret Service agent in the chest. And then they subdued him.
- [97:27]
Alex Stein
There was a camera every inch of that place. And we don't have footage of him running.
- [97:31]
Tim Pool
Yes, we do. They posted footage of him running.
- [97:33]
Alex Stein
Yeah, there's security footage of him kind of running, but you just think we'd have him shooting the gun. All I know is it's probably real, but now we've lost so much trust in the government that I'm not surprised at everybody on the Internet saying it's fake. That's. I think that's actually.
- [97:44]
Tim Pool
I think this is a really good example of how the left is organizing to win politics. So, like, the example that I like to use is Rumble. For instance, the narrative early on when Rumble launched was that the views were fake. And this was pushed by libs who wanted to censor people on YouTube primarily. And it's pushed today by people who don't like primarily Dan Bongino. The only issue is, like, for us, all I can say is, like, I track the analytics, and it's the same analytics we've always had. We've seen minor growth, our viewership. Same. In fact, we've had the best sales numbers we've ever had in terms of ad sales in a political off season. Because our viewership has been increasing with Rumble, and we sell ads to that audience. So where is this. This narrative that people put out that Rumble views are not real? It's intended to say, stay on YouTube. Stay on YouTube where we can ban you. And then when you go to a platform that's saying we won't ban you, the narrative emerges. Your views aren't real. And the advertisers pull out. Well, guess what? We've sold more in ads in the past two months than we ever have on Rumble. We've made more money on rumble than on YouTube.
- [98:45]
Alex Stein
Rumble is definitely disrupting the social media, hosting video sites. I mean, it's definitely one of the biggest. I'm saying, I think you could argue
- [98:52]
Tim Pool
the kick in the narrative around the White House shooting being fake. It is all part of. In my opinion, either it could be emergent, but the libs, the left, the Democrats have been desperately trying to figure out how to shatter the right. So what do you do? There's a handful of things you can do. Lie, cheat and steal. Put money into Google for content that is anti Trump and anti Erica Kirk. Destroy Turning Point usa. Kill Charlie Kirk. Spread lies about your political enemies and ban them off YouTube.
- [99:20]
Alex Stein
People are pissed that I said that. That was a conspiracy. I didn't know everybody here.
- [99:23]
Tim Pool
What was a conspiracy?
- [99:24]
Alex Stein
The White House Correspondence Center. I'd never.
- [99:26]
Tim Pool
Because most people don't think this. And what we're seeing online is mass formation psychosis.
- [99:34]
Alex Stein
That's part of it.
- [99:34]
Tim Pool
And when it happened, I'm at a bar and everyone walks over to the TV and they stare at the screen as Trump was giving a dress. And they showed the security footage and this and the guy subdued, and they're just going, wow.
- [99:43]
Alex Stein
Well, it's like every protest. Trump is a pedophile. Trump is a pedophile. Yeah. The last four years of Biden was in office. They didn't spend any time or resources trying to throw him in jail for being a pedophile. So I think it just proves that he was.
- [99:53]
Tim Pool
My point ultimately is you've got a lot of people saying things like, man, I'm seeing online everyone thinks the shooting was staged. It's like, no, you saw a video with 500 comments claiming that you thought that was everybody.
- [100:04]
Alex Stein
Yeah, well, we've lost trust in the government too.
- [100:06]
Tim Pool
Well, you shouldn't have had it. Let's talk about Elon Musk from the New York Post. Elon Musk set for major space X payday if he settles 1 million people on Mars. This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It got approval in January. He would get 200 million super voting restricted shares of stock as long as the colony is permanent, has at least 1 million residents, and SpaceX has hit a market valuation of 7.5 trillion.
- [100:31]
Brett Dasovich
The timeframe on this. That has to happen by.
- [100:34]
Tim Pool
I don't know, bro. How you even ferry 1 million people.
- [100:39]
Brett Dasovich
Well, I mean, it's, it's gonna take.
- [100:41]
Alex Stein
Let's just. Are we gonna even act like this is real? Like, that's not my point.
- [100:44]
Tim Pool
I know, it's ridiculous.
- [100:45]
Alex Stein
Type in Devon island. NASA. NASA. You can look it up right now, Tim, on your computer.
- [100:49]
Tim Pool
Oh, no, no.
- [100:50]
Alex Stein
Yes.
- [100:50]
Tim Pool
Okay.
- [100:51]
Alex Stein
I don't believe that we have anything on Mars right now, dude. Where? There's no way we're on Mars. Sending a video live feedback.
- [100:57]
Tim Pool
What is Devon Island?
- [100:58]
Alex Stein
Devon Island. Type in Devon island NASA. That's where they expose them filming. They expose all of this quote unquote Mars rocks. It's the exact same as Devon Island. Type in Devon island NASA.
- [101:08]
Tim Pool
I mean, this. Mars researchers rendezvous on remote Arctic island.
- [101:11]
Ian Cross
Are you saying that the Curiosity probe wasn't real? Are you suggesting that it might not
- [101:15]
Alex Stein
be on Mars right now? Dude, if you believe that, you're an idiot. And I know that' going to be, you know, mad disrespectful to a lot of people in the chat. Maybe, Tim. But yeah. Dude, I don't think that they have a freaking thing on Mars right now.
- [101:25]
Tim Pool
Alex.
- [101:26]
Alex Stein
I don't believe it.
- [101:27]
Tim Pool
Alex, I'm from Mars.
- [101:30]
Alex Stein
Yeah, I know. Maybe you probably are a Martian.
- [101:32]
Tim Pool
Elon. Elon Trump and I came here at the same time together. Baron actually was already here. He left early. And there's already a Mars colony. So this is actually a setup because now Elon's going to pretend like he builds it. We've been there the whole time. Us Martians have been around on Earth for a while. And you see what happened is our peoples terraformed Earth a long time ago and we set up, we moved our base to Mars for the past 10,000 years. And we're now gonna take back over the government of Earth. But we need a one world government so we can control everybody.
- [102:00]
Alex Stein
Well, Ronald Reagan did say it, and other presidents have said it. The only unifying force that would unify the entire world would be an outside alien threat. And that's how they would start the one world order. A new world order would be a fake alien invasion.
- [102:12]
Tim Pool
They're trying. So what is, what is this Devon island talking about?
- [102:15]
Alex Stein
Pull it off. I'll find it right now.
- [102:17]
Tim Pool
I know, but NASA said that they do research on Devon island in 2002.
- [102:20]
Alex Stein
Yeah, so there's a bunch of images where they actually took a real picture of Devon island and they took images of quote unquote Mars. And it's exactly the same. So all I'm saying. Type in Devon island exposed. It's just, I Don't believe that something's on Mars right now. And then they make all these stories. Oh, Elon's gonna put a million people there and get $7.5 trillion. It's all fake. It's all gay. Shout out, Candace. I just don't like it.
- [102:41]
Tim Pool
Why are you shouting her out in that?
- [102:43]
Alex Stein
Just to troll you just a little bit. I thought you'd get mad, but I. I figured.
- [102:46]
Tim Pool
I didn't know if she'd said something about Mars being.
- [102:48]
Alex Stein
No, she's a flat Earther, big time.
- [102:50]
Tim Pool
So no one ever accused her of being smart. Well, to be fair, I did call her smart.
- [102:55]
Alex Stein
So you did win.
- [102:56]
Tim Pool
Yeah, I said I think she is super smart. I think she's a genius.
- [102:59]
Alex Stein
Oh, okay. Well, I heard you say the C word and that wasn't very nice.
- [103:02]
Tim Pool
Well, that's different. I think she's a genius. I think everything she's doing is intentional. I think her mispronunciations are intentional too.
- [103:08]
Alex Stein
Those are funny, right?
- [103:10]
Tim Pool
Because it's like George W. Bush. It's relatable to regular people to be an everyman. And Candace, she does the Stanley Cup. She says debacle and kerflafel and things like that. And so people view her as relatable and like them.
- [103:25]
Alex Stein
Yeah, I think there is an argument to that. But yeah, Devon Island. I think that Mars. Give me a break. And do the Artemis mission that they just did. They showed us the one picture of the backside of the moon. When we got 4K cameras on our cell phones. I couldn't put a camera on the outside of it and give us like a good video of it.
- [103:39]
Tim Pool
On the outside of what?
- [103:40]
Alex Stein
Artemis. The dark side of the moon. The part of the moon that no human being has ever seen. We've never even taken a picture of it.
- [103:45]
Tim Pool
That's not true.
- [103:46]
Alex Stein
The dark side of the moon.
- [103:48]
Tim Pool
So first, there's no such thing as a dark side of the moon.
- [103:51]
Alex Stein
The back side of the moon.
- [103:52]
Tim Pool
We have photos of it from satellites.
- [103:54]
Alex Stein
Oh my. You have fake photos. So once again, by all means, generated images.
- [103:58]
Tim Pool
If you want to argue we've never gone there, fine. But to first start by saying we've never gotten a photo. And I'm like, we have. You go, yeah, well, it's fake. Then pick one, bro.
- [104:05]
Alex Stein
Which can probably a fake photo on some satellite that's probably on a balloon anyway, because then even make out. It doesn't even make sense. How satellites.
- [104:12]
Tim Pool
Here's the truth, Alex. See, that is more likely.
- [104:14]
Alex Stein
I'm not. I know that. Oh, Alex. Is so dumb. But I'll tell you, there's parts of the Earth that is unexplored. I'm not saying there's all these extra outer lands, but, bro, you know how
- [104:23]
Tim Pool
awesome that would be if this was true?
- [104:25]
Alex Stein
You know, there's, there's. I think it's the 60th parallel. Let's do it. No independent investigation of the.
- [104:30]
Tim Pool
Let's get a plane. I can afford it. And fly over the ice wall.
- [104:33]
Alex Stein
I know. And we'll look up General Admiral Byrd in this long giant.
- [104:37]
Tim Pool
We are going to make it Atlantis, bro.
- [104:39]
Alex Stein
Well, it's not that it's hollow earth, but he did say this is one of the first generals in American history to go explore Antarctica. Said that it was so big and that it wasn't just ice. There was actually tropical areas you can type in. General Admiral Byrd talking about how Antarctica was not exactly how people thought and that there's enough resources in just Antarctica enough to supply the.
- [104:57]
Tim Pool
That's where we all live at, actually. Wait, so this means like, meet, Meet. Trump and Elon are from southern Antarctica, where it's all tropical and abundant.
- [105:04]
Brett Dasovich
Is this the stuff about the ice wall Elon?
- [105:06]
Alex Stein
Because he's just knocking up Ashley Sinclair and she won't shut her mouth up on the Internet. I mean, so his judgment can't be that good. He's getting to space. Nutting in any crazy girl. Shout out Ashley Sinclair. I'm. I'm on team Ashley. But you know what I mean, if he's so smart, why is he just having all these baby mamas and signing NDAs and not expecting that to backfire?
- [105:24]
Tim Pool
Because he's from the future.
- [105:26]
Alex Stein
Trump is probably from the future.
- [105:28]
Tim Pool
That. You know, it's really funny is that. You saw those pictures.
- [105:30]
Alex Stein
Yes.
- [105:31]
Tim Pool
From the 19 from 18 something, whatever that were golden buses that said Trump on them.
- [105:35]
Alex Stein
No, dude.
- [105:36]
Tim Pool
Okay, you saw those, right?
- [105:37]
Alex Stein
Well, I know about the book.
- [105:38]
Tim Pool
No, you didn't see those?
- [105:39]
Alex Stein
No, no. Oh, bro. But then, then if you actually look at the. If you look at the storyline of Back to the Future, it actually coincides exactly with Donald Trump because you have Biff has the big casino.
- [105:49]
Ian Cross
And I always thought that was a lot like Donald Trump.
- [105:50]
Alex Stein
And they base it. They admit that they base it.
- [105:52]
Tim Pool
Look at, look at these images. Some guy in the 1800s drew these golden buses that say Trump on them and there's a blonde guy driving them.
- [105:59]
Alex Stein
What are the chances?
- [106:00]
Tim Pool
And it says 45.99. And so what I'm saying is Trump's in his time machine, right? And he lands in like 1892, where this Charles Delshaw is sitting there, like, drawing a picture. And he looks up and then this vehicle appears in front of him. And then Trump gets out and looks around. He goes, baron. You put in the wrong date. We're in 1892. We need to go to 1992. Let's get back in. And then disappear again. And then this guy starts drawing this sketch of this golden. Okay, I gotta tell you, if Trump was gonna build a time machine, it would look like that.
- [106:30]
Alex Stein
You know, Trump is actually known as being an artist, and he actually loves to draw and supposedly drew Epstein a picture. I don't know if that's real.
- [106:37]
Tim Pool
I'm telling you, Trump is the kind of guy who would put his name on the side of his time machine.
- [106:40]
Alex Stein
Dude, type in the book about Baron.
- [106:41]
Tim Pool
I know, yeah.
- [106:42]
Alex Stein
So that.
- [106:43]
Tim Pool
And then the Underground adventures of Barron Trump.
- [106:45]
Alex Stein
And then you look at the connection of his uncle was the guy that went through Tesla's. You know, when Tesla died, it was actually his uncle that supposedly went through his safe. So I know it's highly unlikely that he is a time traveler. But then also if you look at a thing called Mandela Effects where we remember things wrong, like Chick Fil A or Shazam Kazam.
- [107:03]
Tim Pool
Trump went back to the 80s on accident because they got the date wrong. And while they were trying to get fuel, they had to get liquor to put back in the time machine. He accidentally bumped a glass of coffee which spilled on the manuscript.
- [107:17]
Alex Stein
Butterfly effect.
- [107:18]
Tim Pool
It spilled in the manuscript for the Berenstain bears and it smudged the E into an A.
- [107:22]
Alex Stein
Well, we're on a different timeline, and that's how.
- [107:24]
Tim Pool
And then he's like, oh, no, we turned the Berenstein into Berenstain. Nobody will notice. And then all of a sudden, everyone's like, my memory. What's going on? And now it's spelled with an A instead of an Ethelm.
- [107:33]
Alex Stein
Had a cornucopia, dude. They said that they never had the logo. Never had a cornucopia. Do you notice Mandela effect?
- [107:39]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [107:39]
Brett Dasovich
My favorite is the people who started. People started making their own Fruit of the Loom shirts with the cornucopia.
- [107:46]
Tim Pool
The icon is, dude, they had the
- [107:48]
Alex Stein
cornucopia, I don't think.
- [107:50]
Brett Dasovich
But now people. Because of that, people have actually screen printed their own version.
- [107:54]
Alex Stein
That is part of how it happens. Like they. There's recreated famous movie lines in other media. And so then they re. They recreate it incorrectly. Right. So that's.
- [108:04]
Tim Pool
Explain this flute of the loom, and it's got a bunch of meat and veggies, and it's a flute making the Cornucopia, which many people said was meant to be a play on fruit. Fruit of the loom? Yeah, in 1973. And so people are like, how did a guy satirize Fruit of the Loom with Flute of the Loom if it never had a cornucopia?
- [108:28]
Alex Stein
I agree.
- [108:29]
Brett Dasovich
Like, if you build it, he will come, but it's.
- [108:32]
Alex Stein
It's.
- [108:33]
Brett Dasovich
If you build, he will come, not if you build it, they will come.
- [108:35]
Alex Stein
No, I think there was a timeline
- [108:37]
Ian Cross
switch with the cornucopia that was like that, but it wasn't Fruit of the Loo.
- [108:41]
Tim Pool
No, no, listen, listen. The CIA is trying to see if they can mass formation psychosis people. They're trying to see who will believe it, who won't. So everybody knows a thing is true for the Lumeta Cornucopia. They then go on onto the network database. They tell the AI delete all instances and rewrite everything, claim it never did. And then they want to see who accepts the new reality and who doesn't. They're finding who's deviant.
- [109:05]
Alex Stein
Well, when they took out. Excuse me. When they found the. The guy that the. The pilot that crashed in Iran, they even said that they ran a disinformation campaign on the citizens there so they wouldn't know where the guy was. Like, actually put out fake, you know, media hits as if, oh, he's in this area and he wasn't. So if they're running disinformation campaigns at the snap of their fingers in foreign countries, you don't think that they're running one right now, though, Tim? You don't think the CIA is probably cooking the books and trying to influence us to think a certain way?
- [109:35]
Tim Pool
In what? Like the CIA is manipulating everybody?
- [109:37]
Alex Stein
Yeah, because they have.
- [109:38]
Tim Pool
Of course they are.
- [109:39]
Alex Stein
What are you saying? No, I'm just saying. Yeah.
- [109:41]
Tim Pool
They're dumping millions into social media to make everybody anti Trump because they're trying to win.
- [109:45]
Alex Stein
You think they're making him anti Trump? That's what. That's. Yeah, I know the CIA doesn't like
- [109:49]
Tim Pool
Trump, but what Trump is doing right now, it appears, surface level, low probability, but decent probability, choking off the Strait of Hormuz is shutting down OPEC and shifting oil production and oil control directly to the United States, which disrupts the liberal economic order. It's cut China off. Yeah.
- [110:03]
Alex Stein
That is the benefit of this war, is the fact that Europe and these Asian countries are Going to have to be more reliant on America and what
- [110:07]
Tim Pool
it used to be. It used to be be that the US had to plead with Saudi Arabia to control oil levels. And the, what was. Joshua Lesser was calling it supranationalism. And it's not so much one world government, but the structure of the world was the US Is the military. OPEC produces the energy. Right. There's certain hubs, they're creating economic blocks. Trump is making everything US centric, so they're desperately trying to stop him. USAID got shut down. They're trying to recenter in Virginia. That's what they've been doing with all these laws and all these changes. And now they're dumping money into big tech to shift the political opinions. I think there's an elitist civil war happening where powerful elites are fighting each other in the, you know, now you're.
- [110:51]
Brett Dasovich
Gonna, now you're gonna have to go to Saudi Arabia and ask them to make Rush Hour 4 because they're gonna own almost all of Paramount.
- [110:56]
Alex Stein
Well, they do own a bunch of the old movies and stuff. But listen, is Tucker being paid by Qatar? I don't know if there's any evidence for that, but I do think that Tucker realizes that, that young people, Tim, whether you want to admit it or not, whether you think it's like this, you know, things that's just going to change after the midterms. Young people are very disenfranchised with the support of Israel and just blindly supporting it. So I think that the tide is kind of turning and there's probably going to be an attention economy dedicated to anti Israel content that is probably going to be bigger.
- [111:24]
Ian Cross
I would argue my concern with the funding of Israel.
- [111:27]
Tim Pool
You're saying there's going to be more anti Israel content?
- [111:29]
Alex Stein
I think so.
- [111:29]
Tim Pool
Why wouldn't Israel dump billions into pro Israel content?
- [111:31]
Alex Stein
They have, they have.
- [111:32]
Tim Pool
No, but all I have to do is go into Google Ads. So what?
- [111:35]
Alex Stein
Israel could do harder than that. Because you can't.
- [111:37]
Tim Pool
No, it's not organically, you.
- [111:39]
Alex Stein
Yes, they can do that inorganically.
- [111:41]
Tim Pool
Let me, let me, let me, let me explain to you. That's before.
- [111:43]
Alex Stein
Okay, but it doesn't have the same organic.
- [111:44]
Tim Pool
Let me explain it to you. If you go on Google Ads and you say, I want to advertise on content that is Pro Israel.
- [111:50]
Alex Stein
Yes.
- [111:51]
Tim Pool
YouTube will increase the viewership to sell the inventory. So what will happen then is if you make a video that is anti Israel, you'll get 100k, pro Israel gets 200k as long as the money in the inventory exists. YouTube. YouTube can flux their, their inventory based on what, what they promote to make more money.
- [112:08]
Alex Stein
Yeah.
- [112:09]
Tim Pool
So if Israel said let's put 10 billion on Google Ads and put it onto content that is favorable towards Israel, the algorithm would put it on the front page.
- [112:17]
Alex Stein
Yes, people are going to.
- [112:18]
Tim Pool
And it would disappear overnight.
- [112:19]
Alex Stein
That, that content, regardless of how much it's recommended to people, probably will not change your mind.
- [112:24]
Tim Pool
Doesn't matter. It'll be auto plagued to normies.
- [112:26]
Alex Stein
I just don't know if you just through osmosis you hear a clip in the background, all of a sudden you become pro Israel. I don't know if that's, that's a reality.
- [112:33]
Tim Pool
So there was this woman, she had a viral video where she said she used to be a big fan of Turning Point until she realized, until she learned that the United States was under the control of a foreign nation. That person who made that video and went viral has no idea what the fuck she's talking about. She never would have known any of this had it not been for the YouTube videos that she watched about Erica Kirk and Israel. Like, if this was not true, do you think Coca Cola would be buying advertisements the way they do? The literal background Coke ad in Times Square generates positive effect on Coca Cola.
- [113:04]
Alex Stein
Yeah, that's how we know the Artemis mission was fake on the moon. Because we'd already have a big sign on it. It would be the best advertising spot in the world. They'd have a huge Coke.
- [113:13]
Tim Pool
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- [113:43]
Alex Stein
Cola sign on it or Nike sign. So that's how I think the Artemis moon mission was faked. Yeah, I just. With the Erica Kirk stuff too. You know, you look at the Drew Ski sketch and I know Erica addressed that. That thing was so big. That's probably, you know, the sketch I'm talking about. I mean, just saying so because maybe that's not inorganic is all I'm trying to say.
- [114:00]
Tim Pool
Because it's being promoted.
- [114:02]
Alex Stein
Yeah, it is. That was definitely promoted.
- [114:04]
Tim Pool
Right. So who's promoting Erica Kirk content And why? She's not a politician. She doesn't affect policy. She really doesn't matter at all.
- [114:12]
Alex Stein
She does matter.
- [114:13]
Tim Pool
Why?
- [114:14]
Alex Stein
Because she's one of the most influential people in America now, whether people want to admit that or not.
- [114:17]
Tim Pool
No, she's not.
- [114:18]
Alex Stein
Erica Kirk.
- [114:19]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [114:19]
Alex Stein
Yeah, she is.
- [114:20]
Tim Pool
How what is.
- [114:21]
Alex Stein
She runs the biggest young political action group in the world.
- [114:26]
Tim Pool
And who showed up to their event in Georgia?
- [114:29]
Alex Stein
Well, I mean, that was kind of a goofball situation. But regardless, Turning Point is still the biggest.
- [114:33]
Tim Pool
And Erica is not on the show promoting it. Colvitt is. She's. She's a figurehead that does very little.
- [114:41]
Alex Stein
She.
- [114:41]
Tim Pool
She's probably not even running.
- [114:42]
Alex Stein
She does a lot.
- [114:43]
Tim Pool
I don't believe it for a second.
- [114:44]
Alex Stein
You don't see? I think. I think one of the biggest complaints too much.
- [114:48]
Tim Pool
Name something, you know, that she's done.
- [114:50]
Alex Stein
She goes and speaks at every high school that wants to have her, that wants to ever.
- [114:54]
Tim Pool
So how many has she done?
- [114:55]
Alex Stein
A lot.
- [114:56]
Tim Pool
What is a lot? Give me the number.
- [114:57]
Alex Stein
I don't know. 20.
- [114:58]
Tim Pool
I'm telling you, bro, once a week it looks like.
- [115:00]
Alex Stein
I don't know.
- [115:01]
Tim Pool
This is the example I try to give to people just saying she does work. When the Covenants and kids, when the video went viral, the Covington kids on the Lincoln Stairs and everybody said, this kid got in the Indian's face. They didn't make his face. Conservatives were condemning him. Philip DeFranco condemned him. And then I got sent this video and I said, what is it? And they said, look what the kid is doing. I said, I don't know what he's doing. And they're like, he's in the face of that Indian guy. And I'm like, I just see two people standing in front of each other. Turns out I did some digging with some help from the audience. The Native American got in his face.
- [115:33]
Alex Stein
Yeah.
- [115:33]
Tim Pool
So my video was like. Like, you are all wrong. This guy got in his face. Why are people attacking him? And then the narrative flipped because people realized, oh, crap, we were wrong. All I do all day is watch videos, research and fact check stories. And for the life of me, there is no coherent argument that Erica Kirk is influential. I don't mean that to be disrespectful to her. She's obviously a well known person, but she is only well known externally. Meaning you don't watch her go do things. You hear about her from someone else.
- [116:04]
Alex Stein
She's pretty influential with Vance, with.
- [116:07]
Tim Pool
She's not passing laws. She's not a CEO of a Fortune
- [116:10]
Alex Stein
500 that's organizing functioning door knocking campaigns.
- [116:14]
Tim Pool
She is not doing these things.
- [116:16]
Alex Stein
She's a CEO of a company.
- [116:17]
Tim Pool
The point is your. This narrative that she must be important comes from other people. Apple Tim Cook is known because he goes on stage to sell a product.
- [116:30]
Alex Stein
Yeah.
- [116:30]
Tim Pool
Erica Kirk has done interviews about Charlie, but her public appearances are relatively minimal for the organization. She is involved millions of views.
- [116:39]
Brett Dasovich
Her.
- [116:40]
Tim Pool
Her public perception, like her public presence is minimal compared to comparable organizations.
- [116:49]
Alex Stein
I don't know, bro. What's a comparable organization?
- [116:52]
Tim Pool
What's the Fortune 500 company?
- [116:54]
Alex Stein
What's a. Well, I mean, I don't know if.
- [116:56]
Tim Pool
Because hundreds of millions, part of their
- [116:58]
Alex Stein
company's a non profit. Right. So I don't know if they're really competing on a for profit company, but I know they have turning point action,
- [117:03]
Tim Pool
which my point is this. 95% of Erica Kirk appearances are external, not her. 95% of the videos you will see about Erica Kirk are coming from externalities, not from her. It's not her.
- [117:20]
Alex Stein
Yeah.
- [117:20]
Tim Pool
Someone will take a screenshot of Erica Kirk and then make a video about it.
- [117:23]
Alex Stein
Well, you will see everybody that saw Charlie's assassination had a visceral response and they were affected by it. So now any legacy of Charlie and
- [117:31]
Tim Pool
Candace said that Erica killed Charlie Kirk.
- [117:34]
Alex Stein
I don't know if she said it like she did.
- [117:36]
Tim Pool
She literally did that. They leaked a text message.
- [117:38]
Alex Stein
I'm not saying she did. I'm just.
- [117:39]
Tim Pool
Let me stop you right there. They leaked a text message.
- [117:42]
Alex Stein
She said she shot the gun.
- [117:43]
Tim Pool
I don't think that a woman who was texting with Candace released a screenshot of the message where Candace said. My first question, why did you kill your husband?
- [117:52]
Alex Stein
Did you say that on the podcast or was that a leaked text?
- [117:53]
Tim Pool
It's a leaked text message.
- [117:55]
Alex Stein
Well, that's a little different than saying on a podcast. I mean, you're asking that.
- [117:58]
Tim Pool
Well, on her podcast she said jail, right? To jail. There is no. She said. There is no way that I can believe she wasn't complicit in this.
- [118:06]
Alex Stein
Yeah, I don't think Erica Kirk had anything to do with Charlie's death. I'm just saying I think Candace has been a little more nuanced with what she says. I think she says that she had prior knowledge that she didn't. Actually, you're wrong.
- [118:15]
Tim Pool
Okay, maybe she did say she said jail. I don't watch.
- [118:18]
Alex Stein
I don't watch Candace.
- [118:19]
Tim Pool
Indeed. My point is this. The only time a regular person hears about Erica Kirk is when someone else brings her up for an unrelated reason. That's my point. There is no instance where Erica Kirk does a press release. We're doing a new campaign in front of 10,000 people. She speaks at some events, but there's a ton of prominent people who speak at events no one talks about. Right? Yeah. And Shapiro, Michael Knowles just spoke at an event. Is anybody talking about that?
- [118:49]
Alex Stein
I was. Nobody's talking on Twitter. Maybe not in the real world. A lot of people aren't talking about oh my Erica Kirk passing laws.
- [118:57]
Tim Pool
She is not doing anything of substantive consequence right now.
- [119:00]
Alex Stein
I think they did pass some laws where they're putting Turning Point usa, the high school organization in all high schools. But regardless, I get it that you don't think she's as big of a political force as Charlie.
- [119:09]
Tim Pool
And not that I believe it says factually she.
- [119:11]
Alex Stein
And I think that's fair because Charlie was.
- [119:13]
Tim Pool
The question then becomes unlike anybody else, why is she promoted in the algorithms on all of these platforms?
- [119:19]
Alex Stein
Well, one thing.
- [119:20]
Tim Pool
Look, I'll tell you this. You want, you want some conspiracy theories. First and most obvious, who killed Charlie Kirk? If it wasn't Tyler Robinson, or maybe it was, who stands to gain the most deep state liberal economic order? Democrat Uniparty. He was the one who got people to vote for Donald Trump. He stood by him no matter what. Why then are all these big tech platforms now destroying Turning Point? Going after Erica, it's to character, assassinate and kill his legacy and make sure Turning Point can't be effective. That is the most likely conspiracy.
- [119:47]
Alex Stein
Yeah, it could be. And Tyler Robinson, from all accounts was in a gay relationship. Like he might have been quote unquote conservative when he was a little younger. But it looks like it was a left, left leaning, motivated attack and there
- [119:58]
Tim Pool
are people with foreknowledge. But we got to get rumble rants and super chats in because I'm having too fun arguing with Alex over here. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know that uncensored portion is coming up at 10pm you don't want to miss it. Before we do though, we got a great sponsor for you. It is tackle tax network USA. Go to tnusa.com Tim deal back taxes or have unfiled tax returns or have you filed every year but you still keep owing. Maybe you pulled money out of your 401k early and now the IRS wants a share. However your tax issue started, the outcome is the same. Your balance is not going down. Penalties grow, interest compounds, and many of you are about to owe again for this tax year. Stop what you're doing. Call Tax Network usa. The IRS is not waiting. They're enforcing collections. And that's where Tax Network USA can come in. They come in with over 15 years in business. There hasn't been a tax case they haven't seen or resolved. They specialize in tax controversies and help taxpayers nationwide get back on track by resolving back taxes and unfiled returns once and for all. Whether you owe $10,000 or $10 million. Their team has resolved over $1 billion in tax debt. They can do the same for you, but yet. Call now. They're offering a free investigation. Call with the irs. After that investigation, they put a clear case plan in PLA in place to resolve your tax problems and get you back on track. Don't wait. Call now at 866-686-1535. That's 866-686-1535 or visit tnusa.com/tim now let's grab yo Rumble. Rants to chats. Jailer says. Alex, what was it like to be sexually assaulted in by that trans person in Chicago?
- [121:36]
Alex Stein
It was kind of fun, honestly, because it was a biological female to male, so it's not gay. So I'm okay with it. Oh, good. I don't have, like, a great fantasy.
- [121:48]
Tim Pool
Oh, man. What's. I'm just. Someone just mentioned, mentioned, mention, messaged me. Tucker Carlson's promoting Animal Farm now, too. Oh, man.
- [121:57]
Alex Stein
Tucker's a communist now. Busting.
- [122:00]
Tim Pool
It's. It's as simple as this. If you accept money to promote that film, you're a grifter with no integrity. And.
- [122:08]
Alex Stein
But real quick, you watched the whole movie. It wasn't there. It didn't have, like, a conservative slant at all. Okay. And I trust you. I don't think.
- [122:15]
Tim Pool
Let me tell you what the film's about.
- [122:16]
Alex Stein
Yeah.
- [122:17]
Tim Pool
The film starts about the book. It's not about the book. It's completely unrelated. Old Major is not in the film.
- [122:22]
Alex Stein
Oh, really?
- [122:23]
Tim Pool
So Old Major is an extremely important character in the book. He's the old. I remember how good it used to be. He rallies people and says it can be better. Doesn't exist in the film. The animals are happy and they like their farm. They're going on vacation. Turns out Farmer Jones couldn't pay his mortgage, so Elon Musk's mom purchased the animals in the farm, purchased the debt. So that when the bank. The bank was coming in the actual movie? Well, no, it's free to Pilkington, but she drives a cybertruck and she looks like May Musk.
- [122:50]
Alex Stein
Yeah, that's what they're trying to insinuate.
- [122:51]
Tim Pool
Yeah, indeed. Everybody agrees when you see this. She's in the trailer. So the farm farmer Jones can't pay his mortgage. So Frida Pilkington goes to the bank and acquires the property. After they go to liquidate the animals, fearing death, chase off her employees. But the bank says, no, no, no, someone's got to pay the mortgage. So he's like, I'll be back in a week. The animals team up and hold a big, a big market to raise money together. When they go to pay the banker, he says, this is too much. I'm taking this, you keep the rest. The pigs then get to keep the profit. So what do we do with it? He says, go spend it. So they go to the mall and they buy a bunch of stuff. The animals get mad that they're doing all the work, but the pigs are taking all the profit. So Napoleon wants to buy a car, but doesn't have enough money. Elon Musk's mom helps him get a credit card, but then he can't pay off his credit card debt. So he cuts a deal with her to sell the farm in a private equity acquisition so she can liquidate the animals and the, and the farmland and use the, the farm properties and use the land about the hydroelectric dam, she can monetize. Turnkey. The animals decide to revolt to keep their land to stop the corporation from taking it over. So they plant explosives in a hydroelectric dam, blowing it up, killing her and all her employees.
- [124:01]
Alex Stein
Is that really what happens?
- [124:01]
Tim Pool
Yes. The pig, the new character Lucky, then kills Napoleon, swims out of the flood waters and says, we, we should not, we should not be forced to work. We should just work for each other because we want to. And then it pans up and says the end.
- [124:17]
Alex Stein
Yeah, it looks like it's like anti big business, anti capitalism.
- [124:20]
Tim Pool
Andy Serkis explicitly stated he wanted to target themes of capitalism and over consumption.
- [124:26]
Brett Dasovich
The funniest part about making an anti capitalist movie in Hollywood for that particular film is that they're not willing Hollywood adjacent. They're not, they're not willing to. Well, no, this was made traditional Hollywood. It's distributed by Angel Studios. But the point is, is that. But one of Hollywood is one of the most capitalist industries in the world. And one of the reasons they'll make movies like this, even though they'll change the story completely, is they're not willing to let Andy Serkis write a movie.
- [124:51]
Alex Stein
But you know, you know, more than
- [124:52]
Tim Pool
anything, we gotta try and Read some more.
- [124:54]
Alex Stein
The capitalist thing is kind of not true. Sorry to cut you off because they put a gay character in every movie and ruin it. You know that. You cover that.
- [124:59]
Tim Pool
Here's the other issue, too. There's not a single reference to Marxism or a single action of government in the whole film. Not a single one. The most egregious is that in the book, the pigs take the eggs from the chicken by force. The chickens then complain, and Napoleon has the chickens executed by the dogs. In the film, the chickens agree to sell their eggs in a big fundraiser, but then get mad because the pigs are taking the profit literally. They're like, why are we doing the work? But they're spending the money on stuff at the mall. It's like, bro. Anyway, let's read some more of these. We'll talk a little more a second. HS Disturbed says, what do you guys think? Ballroom should be named after Charlie Kirk. He could have been president, but never got the chance. Agreed. The Charlie Kirk Ballroom. What was his middle name?
- [125:47]
Brett Dasovich
I don't know.
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Ian Cross
I don't know either.
- [125:49]
Alex Stein
Demetrius?
- [125:50]
Tim Pool
Kevin.
- [125:52]
Alex Stein
I don't know. But, Brett, I started to cut you off. I don't know. I think they should name it after Charlie Kirk.
- [125:57]
Tim Pool
They tried to J. Kirk.
- [126:01]
Alex Stein
They tried to name a highway after Charlie and that got shut down. I think it's, you know, people kind of use it as a political rallying point, too. Like how you said the momentum of the left. They use it to have somebody to attack.
- [126:11]
Tim Pool
Pinochet says. Alex, as an informed plumber in Massachusetts, I take offense to your comment.
- [126:15]
Alex Stein
Well, I didn't say that you were uninformed just because you're a plumber, but I were kind of using.
- [126:20]
Tim Pool
Because I said plumber and then you said you added uninformed.
- [126:22]
Alex Stein
Well, because I was trying to go with, like, the old Joe Plummer, you know, slant, where the guy's just kind of an everyday American, not worried about who's in power, just trying to pay his bills.
- [126:31]
Tim Pool
The fallen says Martian colonist. Quote, earth was promised to us 2,000 years ago. It'd be really funny if Martians actually exist and they come to Earth. And they were like, a long time ago, we were chased off of Earth by you. And that voice I'm doing is, in fact, not Native American. It's a reference to Futurama.
- [126:48]
Alex Stein
That was a good cartoon.
- [126:49]
Tim Pool
The Martians and Futurama talk like this. And they have headdresses because they're literally Native Americans.
- [126:55]
Alex Stein
Well, there's something.
- [126:55]
Tim Pool
They're called the Native Martians.
- [126:56]
Alex Stein
There's something weird about the pyramids. How were they able to build that without any power tools?
- [127:01]
Ian Cross
I agree.
- [127:02]
Tim Pool
You don't know.
- [127:03]
Alex Stein
Slaves. You're gonna say slavery.
- [127:04]
Tim Pool
No, Alex.
- [127:06]
Alex Stein
What?
- [127:07]
Tim Pool
When Earth was being terraformed.
- [127:08]
Alex Stein
Yes.
- [127:09]
Tim Pool
The original colonists had a mechanical failure on their ship.
- [127:12]
Brett Dasovich
Yes.
- [127:13]
Tim Pool
And so they could not contact the homeworld.
- [127:15]
Alex Stein
Okay.
- [127:15]
Tim Pool
So they created three large beacons with gold tips to blast a signal up to Orion's Belt, where the homeworld is located. And then were they were rescued. However, some of the colonists were left behind because there was infighting that led to the destruction of their. Caused the mechanical failure. And so those people left behind, that's who we are.
- [127:33]
Alex Stein
I mean, it's crazier things have happened.
- [127:36]
Tim Pool
All right. Yeah, but Trump says Admiral Byrd never claimed that it was his daughter. Well, that proves it. That proves it.
- [127:44]
Alex Stein
Admiral Byrd is the one that saw different tropical climates in Antarctica.
- [127:47]
Tim Pool
Neglectful Sausage says WTF is welfare soda? A bunch of conservative personalities all simultaneously posted on X. Why are they trying to ban soda? If I get government benefits, I should be allowed to buy whatever drink I want. This is communist to tell me that I can't buy soda with. With welfare benefits.
- [128:06]
Alex Stein
Well, to be fair exaggeration, there is diet soda. So not all soda is unhealthy.
- [128:10]
Tim Pool
How about this? If you get welfare, you're only allowed to buy rice and tuna fish.
- [128:17]
Alex Stein
You would lose weight.
- [128:18]
Tim Pool
You get protein and starch and nothing else. You get one chicken breast.
- [128:23]
Alex Stein
No, no seasoning.
- [128:24]
Ian Cross
Cheese.
- [128:25]
Tim Pool
Why would we. Why do you get seasoning, bro?
- [128:26]
Alex Stein
Come on. I get a little seasoning.
- [128:28]
Tim Pool
That's no luxury. Is not for people being given free stuff.
- [128:31]
Ian Cross
Salt. They get salt and black pepper.
- [128:34]
Tim Pool
My friend's been down and out and he lost his apartment, so I'm gonna give him the master bedroom. But no, you can sleep on the basement floor.
- [128:40]
Alex Stein
I don't know if seasonings a master bedroom, but okay. I still believe they deserve seasoning, but white people don't even use it anyway. But they probably use the least amount of social services.
- [128:47]
Tim Pool
But brown Bear says. I can't wait to see how Republicans use the Supreme Court ruling to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Yes, but intentionally. All right, everybody, we're going to the uncensored portion of the show. Smash the like button. Share the show and all that good stuff. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast. Alex, do you want to shout anything out?
- [129:04]
Alex Stein
Guys, follow me Primetime Alex Stein, prime time. Sign on Instagram and watch my show. It's at 10pm tonight. A real America's Voice actually stay on this show and watch us, but you can watch A replay Real America's Voice After Hours with Alex Stein Monday through Friday, 11pm Eastern. Thank you guys.
- [129:18]
Brett Dasovich
If you want to follow me, I'm on Instagram at x Brett Dasovic on both those platforms. Watch PCC. We are live five days a week Monday through Friday at 3pm Eastern Standard Time. YouTube and Rumble. We will see you there.
- [129:28]
Ian Cross
And follow me at iancross on all across social media. Happy to go back 20 years and check out my stuff. I've been doing this since 2006. Let's keep it going. Carter Banks that's true, man. Alex, thanks for coming out. I really hope we talk about General Byrd after in the after show.
- [129:42]
Alex Stein
Like Admiral Birdie, how he flew over
- [129:44]
Ian Cross
the the whole Hollow Earth theory and got abducted into the earth by aliens.
- [129:48]
Alex Stein
I don't know if that story's true, but there's a lot of weird stuff.
- [129:50]
Ian Cross
Yeah, totally. But anyway, you can follow me on X at Carter Banks and on Instagram at Carter Banks official if you want to follow our label at Trash house Records on YouTube.
- [129:59]
Tim Pool
Tim, we'll see you all over@rumble.com Tibcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out.