Shiloh Hendrix FOUND GUILTY Over Using Racial Slurs w/ Jason Ellis & Alex Stein

Summary

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Timcast IRL Podcast Summary

Episode: Shiloh Hendrix FOUND GUILTY Over Using Racial Slurs
Guests: Jason Ellis, Alex Stein
Date: July 25, 2026

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Overview

This episode centers on the recent conviction of Shiloh Hendricks for disorderly conduct after using racial slurs during a filmed confrontation in Minnesota. The discussion uses the case as a springboard to debate First Amendment rights, hate crime legislation, the nature of free speech, and the U.S. legal system’s boundaries regarding speech-crime. The episode also explores the implications of illegal immigration, demographic shifts, U.S.–Israel military technology integration, and the distortion of public discourse by media and political manipulation.

Throughout, hosts and guests engage in spirited, sometimes comedic exchanges that illuminate both policy and culture war divides, often through anecdotes and personal stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shiloh Hendrix Case and First Amendment Implications

• [00:03–04:49]

  • Tim Pool introduces the conviction: Shiloh Hendricks was found guilty of disorderly conduct for using racial slurs during a confrontation caught on film—not for her initial alleged slur at a child.
  • The criminalization of speech, particularly racial slurs, is framed as a major First Amendment issue, sparking national debate.
  • Quote [05:36], Phil Carter:
    “There should never be any circumstance in which [calling someone a name] is considered a crime… We don’t have the thought police.”

• The group discusses the difference between offensive speech and physical aggression, and worries about government overreach into policing language and intent.

• Hendricks’s substantial online fundraising ($860,000) after the trial prompts reflection on cancel culture backlash and cultural incentives around controversial speech.

2. “Hate Crimes” as Thought Crimes

• [09:37–10:05]
  • Phil Carter argues that hate crime enhancements essentially punish “thought crimes,” i.e., prosecuting someone for their mindset and not just their actions.
  • The panel discusses whether adding motive (like racism) to legal determinations of guilt fundamentally endangers free expression.

3. Free Speech Boundaries: When Is Speech a Crime?

• The show explores scenarios such as direct threats (“I’m going to bomb the White House” vs. a racial slur) and their legal ramifications (threats being prosecutable, insults generally not).

• [07:24], Alex Stein:
  “Where does free speech draw the line?”

• The role of “moral” versus “legal” consequences—e.g., community backlash vs. government prosecution—gets debated, including real-world responses to offensive language.

4. Anecdotes About Crime and Childhood Misbehavior

• Jason Ellis and others share stories about shoplifting as children to contextualize proportionality in juvenile prosecution versus adult speech crimes.
• The discussion tangentially covers societal overreactions to speech versus physical or property crimes.

5. Legal Contradictions & U.S. Constitutional Interpretations

• [16:45], Tim Pool:
  “The left’s interpretation of the Constitution is that hate speech is not protected … the right’s is that it is.”
• Extended discussion on America’s shifting understanding of the Constitution—both left and right deploy selective readings (“functional arguments”) to serve political goals.
• Examples: blasphemy laws in early America, Second Amendment state/federal distinctions.

6. Cancel Culture, Viral Outrage, and Fundraising

• Hendricks’ fundraising is cited as a reactionary gesture from people opposed to cancel culture and “speech crimes.”

• [25:18], Tim Pool:
  “People were tired of cancel culture and people losing their jobs for being racist.”

• The group jokes about how outrage cycles can make “victims” rich regardless of the underlying conduct, reflecting on the absurdities of polarized online activism.

7. Immigration, Census, and Political Power

• [56:00–66:24]

  • The show pivots to immigration policy, border security, and population statistics.
  • Tim Pool explains (in depth) how importing non-citizens affects congressional apportionment even if they can't vote, tilting representation toward Democrats in urban centers:
    • Quote [66:24], Tim Pool:
      “When we put 300,000 illegal immigrants in Austin … we guarantee three more Democrats in Congress.”

• Debates ensue about whether “illegals will do jobs Americans won’t,” citing examples of labor markets quickly filling with citizens after mass deportations.

• Arguments surface over whether mass immigration is orchestrated to shift political power or justified for economic reasons like Social Security sustainability.

8. Immigration Enforcement—Federal vs. State Power

• Texas’s attempts to secure its border by laying concertina wire, then having federal agents physically remove it, is recounted with shock by Jason Ellis, who hadn’t seen the footage.

• [61:00–62:05], Tim Pool:
  “Joe Biden ordered the DHS, CBP, and ICE to send a forklift to break through the fence, lift up the wire, and allow illegal immigrants to enter the country in violation of our laws.”

• The panel reviews legal battles between states and the federal government (Arizona, Texas), and the peril of near-armed standoffs over immigration enforcement.

9. Abortion Laws and Late-Term Procedures

• The group delves into the legal and moral debates on abortion, especially late-term or “elective” abortions, with Jason Ellis expressing incredulity at claims about permissiveness in states like Colorado.
• [94:06–102:24]
  • Pool distinguishes between abortions for medical necessity and those legal for any reason up to birth in certain states, sparking challenging hypotheticals and moral arguments.
• [102:52], Tim Pool:
  “If a human being is a viable life form… and the baby can be removed safely and survive, why would the woman have the right to kill it?”

10. Media Manipulation, Smears, and Political Censorship

• Pool shares personal stories of being misrepresented in media and being targeted as a “MAGAsupporter” even when critical of Trump.

• [110:28], Tim Pool:
  “They need to make sure moderate liberals don’t hear me call out the President. The narrative they wanna create is that Tim Pool is a conservative right wing Trump supporter.”

• Discussion on why moderate perspectives are targeted for delegitimization, with the system favoring hyper-partisanship and reinforcing tribal divisions.

11. Assimilation and the Philosophy of Immigration

• Phil Carter advocates for a decade-long immigration moratorium for assimilation purposes, while others argue for merit-based systems.
• [54:03], Phil Carter:
  “If you come to the United States and you get on some social programs right away, that's a good indicator [of agency].”

12. Human Nature, Sobriety, and Building Bridges

• The episode closes with personal reflections on changing beliefs, being confronted by media smears, and making friendships across ideological divides. A basic ethos is offered: the show’s openness to all who reciprocate respect.
• [121:41], Tim Pool:
  “If you’re nice to us, we’re nice to you. That's all that matters.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “There should never be any circumstance in which [calling someone a name] is considered a crime… We don’t have the thought police.”
  – Phil Carter [05:36]

• “Hate crime is a thought crime… You have hateful thoughts and you express them and that means it’s a thought crime.”
  – Phil Carter [09:37]

• “You jump in, derail the conversation in the middle of the most important part… This is why conservatives lose.”
  – Tim Pool (frustrated by interruptions during immigration explanation) [64:43]

• “When we put 300,000 illegal immigrants in Austin… we guarantee three more Democrats in Congress.”
  – Tim Pool [66:24]

• “If the American people knew that Joe Biden did this en masse… you’d have a Republican revolution overnight. Americans would be like, this is insane.”
  – Tim Pool, on the border wire video [77:25]

• “If you’re nice to us, we’re nice to you. That’s all that matters.”
  – Tim Pool [121:41]

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Section Timestamps (Major Segments)

• 00:03 – 04:49: Introduction to Shiloh Hendrix’s case; framing as free speech issue.
• 04:49 – 10:45: Speech as crime; hate crimes as “thought crimes.”
• 16:40 – 19:43: Constitutional interpretation—right vs. left functional arguments.
• 23:51 – 27:08: Cancel culture, viral outrage, and massive fundraising.
• 56:00 – 66:24: Immigration policy, census, and political gerrymandering.
• 61:00 – 62:05: Border wire clip and reaction.
• 94:06 – 102:24: Abortion, late-term debates, and moral dilemmas.
• 110:28 – 112:03: Media distortion and political smear tactics.
• 116:06 – 121:41: Changing minds, bridge-building, and panel reflections.

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Episode Tone and Atmosphere

The conversation is passionate, frequently confrontational but punctuated by humor and camaraderie. The hosts embrace both sharp argument and personal storytelling, maintaining an “uncensored” and iconoclastic vibe typical of Timcast IRL. Importantly, while debates get heated, there’s an underlying commitment to civil discourse and the notion that mutual respect transcends political tribe.

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This summary is intended as a comprehensive resource for those who missed the episode, capturing both major themes and the show’s original, freewheeling style, as well as timestamped highlights for further review or study.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Shiloh Hendricks, a woman who was filmed spewing racial slurs. And an individual has been found guilty. Not of the initial incident where she says that a small child was, was stealing from a purse, but due to a confrontation where someone started filming her. Now this may seem like. Well, who, what is this story? Why is this very big? Well, this is a First Amendment story. A woman has been found guilty of the crime of using a racial slur against a person. This is big news. This violates the First Amendment. It's gone massively viral. The woman, Shiloh hendricks has raised $860,000 on a in an online fundraising campaign. And this news breaking just last night is sending shock waves throughout the US with many more liberal minded people saying it's good that someone who used a racial slur is getting criminally charged and convicted. Well, most people who believe in the, in free speech and the First Amendment are shocked that a woman has been found guilty of saying a naughty word. We're gonna talk about that. Plus the NDAA has passed and this means the SAVE act. And it also means this weird bill that integrates the US military with Israeli military in terms of technology and management, which is, it's very, very contentious. Talk about that and a whole lot more before we get started. Head over to timcast.com click join now. Get in the Discord community, my friends, it is a massive Discord server with tens of thousands of individuals hanging out every single day. They got morning shows, afternoon shows, VIP exclusives. We actually have a party that's happening as you watch this video. Not for those that are watching the pre record, but for those that are actually watching this live. We actually are having our members only cast brew coffee shop opening party. If you want to be a part of these exclusive events, hang out, get to schmooze it up with the big cats and the big wigs, whatever that really means. Join us, support the work that we do. It might mean Alex Stein of which you might feel that you've lost money and it wasn't worth it.

[Alex Stein]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Alex Stein]

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[Tim Pool]

Alex is here of course. Jason, Alice is hanging Out.

[Jason Ellis]

How's it going, you guys? I'm not getting crossfaded. You're a.

[Alex Stein]

No Louie Bombs. No Tim Bombs for you tonight.

[Jason Ellis]

You can't do 500 alcohol with coffee.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he's right.

[Jason Ellis]

You don't even do it with ice. Right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

He's. He's correct, Alex. You are degenerate.

[Alex Stein]

Jason is like, this guy has followed no rules his entire life. Like, this guy, like, never once followed a rule.

[Jason Ellis]

That's how I know.

[Alex Stein]

Either creates or rules.

[Jason Ellis]

That's how I know you don't do that because I did that. And people were like, why are you doing that? Because I was putting. Was it Johnny Walker blue with Diet Coke? And someone was like, what are you doing? I was like, what do you. What do you mean? Like, you're not supposed to mix that. I'm like, what? What are you talking about? This is the best whiskey you could get. It's like, I can't remember how much it was for. For whiskey and Coke, but it was a lot.

[Alex Stein]

Same as a tim bomb. 600 bucks.

[Jason Ellis]

But apparently you're dumb if you do that. I'm just. You can be dumb.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Jason Ellis]

I highly recommend it.

[Ian Crossland]

It's fun.

[Tim Pool]

We got the rest of the boys hanging out.

[Ian Crossland]

Dudes.

[Jason Ellis]

Good to be here.

[Phil Carter]

What's up, everybody? I'm Phil Carter.

[Ian Crossland]

What's up, everyone?

[Tim Pool]

Good to be here with y'.

[Ian Crossland]

All.

[Tim Pool]

We got a full house tonight, so let's get into it. Here's a story from the Minnesota Star Tribune. Woman who hurled racial slurs at boy found guilty in Rochester trial. So here's what. She gets $1,000 fine. A stayed 90 day jail sentence means she's not going to go to jail. She's ordered to perform 200 hours of community service. Now here's the thing. She's raised $860,000 after this. Now a lot of people are saying she. She deserves more. What's scary about this is here's the story. She's at a playground, her kid, she's. I think she was like 36 at the time. She's 37 now, a. An 8 year old black child starts going through her purse and steals a. A b baby food. She then run chase after the kid. Apparently the kid's dad chased after the kid and she allegedly. I don't know exact because there's no video of this. Called the. Called the kid a racial slur as he was stealing the baby food from her.

[Jason Ellis]

What one? The.

[Tim Pool]

The racial slur.

[Jason Ellis]

The one.

[Tim Pool]

The one.

[Alex Stein]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

You said so then this some guy picks his phone up and starts filming her and he says, did you just call that kid the N word? And she's like, screw off. And then he tells her, say it again. So she does several times. For that she has been found guilty of disorderly conduct.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it two charges?

[Tim Pool]

There were two charges. She was acquitted on the charge of calling the black child the N word, but found guilty of disorderly conduct for calling the man filming her the N word.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, interesting.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, well, I read all about it, but you know, I think it, you know, and I don't want to get all, you know, macro about this. If you look at this, she got very lucky. She got a, what, a thousand dollar fine, 90 day jail since stayed. You look at Chud the builder, a guy that was assaulted outside of a courtroom or whatever, you know, and then he shot the guy and now the guy can't get a bail bond. And there's people like Carmelo Anthony that actually killed somebody on a high school campus and was able to get a bail bond. But a guy that said the NW and that was attacked. So it seems like the N word is like the third rail. It's like the most powerful thing you can say and the most penalized thing that you can do. And they give it a lot of power.

[Phil Carter]

It's more than that because if a white person is perceived to aggress against a black person, like it can be any, any number of things, right? Like, I mean, you look at the officer that was convicted of killing George Floyd, right?

[Alex Stein]

O.J. simpson basically got off because Mark Furman.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah, but so black people don't always get, get acquitted of crimes because if they commit them against white people. But if you're a white person and you commit some kind of transgression, it doesn't even actually have to be a real crime because I don't think calling someone a name should ever be considered a crime. Right. Even if it's offensive or whatever, there should never be any circumstance in which it's considered a crime. You know, that's just, that's ridiculous. We don't, we don't have the thought police.

[Tim Pool]

This is going to go to appeals and she's going to win and they're going to reverse it all.

[Alex Stein]

Well, actually, I think this actually goes to, and I'm not even trying to take this off the rails, but Josh Block, are you guys familiar with Joshua Block? World of T shirts? And then like those guys, you're not, you're not familiar with any of those, those Locales. Well, long story short, there's a guy by the name of Daniel Larson that is mentally challenged. He's very famous. You can look him up and he's like kind of like World of T shirts where World of T shirts is bigger. He gets drun and like New York and has a big social media following. My point is he's mentally challenged and he went on his live stream on Tik Tok was like, I'm going to bomb the White House. I'm going to bomb. And he was, he was held in federal prison for two years and was just let out this week for saying that. And it's like, where does free speech draw the line? Well that's, it's like, is that, I mean, but technically, really, if we're allowed to say whatever we want, let's say we're under tyranny. Let's say, let's say the government is being.

[Phil Carter]

But, but that's making a threat. Threat. Specific threat. Whereas calling someone a name is different.

[Alex Stein]

I, no, I agree with that.

[Jason Ellis]

What do you think should have happened to her?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Phil Carter]

Nothing.

[Jason Ellis]

You don't think that the mama, the mom of the kid could have slapped her?

[Phil Carter]

No, because that's physical. Like, I mean you can't, you can't assault someone.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but the kid was stealing from

[Jason Ellis]

her, you know, the embom.

[Tim Pool]

So, so here's the thing. Let's, let's, let's take this to the maximum degree. The eight year old child should get a juvenile charge.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Tim Pool]

He, he committed a theft.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so I don't think you can

[Alex Stein]

charge an 8 year old.

[Tim Pool]

You can. Yeah. Juvenile. Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

They charged me at 8.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

I used to steal.

[Alex Stein]

It had to be like 12 or something.

[Jason Ellis]

I used to steal. I got caught, man. I didn't get caught.

[Alex Stein]

I stole like Michael Scott. I never got caught.

[Jason Ellis]

Somebody else got caught because it was me and my friends at school were stealing stuff from a toy store. He man action figures. And I was just plowing that place like I was just. I got the tiger, I got the cast. I got Castle Grayskull Ranger.

[Tim Pool]

You got gas.

[Jason Ellis]

I walked out with Castle Grayskull dude. That's how, how.

[Phil Carter]

Falling at 8 years old.

[Jason Ellis]

Now just time when they go down that corridor, down the other corridor and I take off at the door with it.

[Tim Pool]

Oh my God.

[Ian Crossland]

I think was huge.

[Jason Ellis]

It was a big box. But I got away with it until I got caught with all of it under my bed. Like your parents?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

How did you get Castle Grayskull or whatever. And then somebody else got caught that was doing it as well. I found it going to court. They were going to charge me and somebody knew somebody and got me off the charge. But I was getting charged and I was a kid. I remember. What is that? And they were like, you can't get a job later on. And I was like that seems pretty serious. Like I didn't really.

[Phil Carter]

You're like, well I made. I kind of don't care right now.

[Tim Pool]

All in favor of the eight year old child being criminally charged.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that was my first thought was look, if a kid's stealing from you at any age and you scream profanities at the kid, okay, carte bl. It's over. Done. You're not getting shot. Like if you walk up to an 8 year old and you start screaming profanities in the kid's face, you might get arrested for assault or some sort of aggravated claim.

[Tim Pool]

Aggravated means with a weapon. So just be assault.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay. Then assault. But then you could add on like the racial hate crimes.

[Phil Carter]

No, that's the problem. The whole concept of this. No, but listen, hear me out. The whole problem that is or the major part of the problem with this is the fact that at the end of the day a hate crime is a thought crime. You are, you are being punished for having bad thoughts. You have. You have hateful thoughts and you express them and that means it's a thought crime. So it's about the fact that you are allowed to have bad thoughts.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm with you.

[Phil Carter]

You cannot put people in prison or you cannot punish people. The government can't. Pardon me. Yeah. I've got a nine month old. Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

What? How old?

[Phil Carter]

Nine months.

[Jason Ellis]

What where you got a little older and somebody, an adult called him something, you know, something offensive.

[Alex Stein]

My dad told me the N word.

[Jason Ellis]

Hold on.

[Phil Carter]

Take. Going. Talking about the government punishing someone versus

[Jason Ellis]

the government out of it. I actually agree with you. That's, that's the whole point that the, the reaper. There's repercussions in this world. Well talk and get regulated.

[Phil Carter]

That's.

[Jason Ellis]

I'm okay with that.

[Phil Carter]

Well, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not okay with that.

[Tim Pool]

What this is about someone that went

[Phil Carter]

to be able to speak freely.

[Alex Stein]

You should be able to say the N word. Not be.

[Jason Ellis]

Get. I mean I should be able to slap you and get repercussions for it.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, listen, listen.

[Jason Ellis]

This idea charge me. But if I feel like hitting you, I will.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Alex Stein]

I mean that's a man code I'm,

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to, I'm going to argue on this one. I see what you're saying. You're like, you can, you can insult someone and they have no right to hit you, but that's. Rights are immaterial laws. Immaterial. If you go out in the street, it doesn't matter what word you use. You walk up to someone like Jason and you start insulting him for no reason, eventually you're getting smacked because that's the real world. But the idea that that's where we live.

[Phil Carter]

No.

[Tim Pool]

And you know what's going to happen and you know what's going to happen? You know what I think should happen? A good cop would be like, so what happened? You're like, I walked up to him and started insulting him and calling him a bunch of slurs and he smacked you. The cop should go, okay, get out of here.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Carter]

Jason, to your point there, the, the distinction that we have or in this particular context is not whether what she did was right or whether whether the mother would have, would have been within in a moral. Would have been a moral action to slap her. The distinction is because it goes to court and you have the government doing it. That's the distinction. It's not that, oh, she was fine to do it. It's that. It's that the government has a prohibition here in the United States. The government has a prohibition from enfor laws about thought or, or what.

[Jason Ellis]

Your opinions, you're getting too on the sword thing. Like, it's, you're talking about. It's not. People out here day to day live in stress.

[Phil Carter]

It's not.

[Jason Ellis]

Or even word. You're having a bad day. You get called a word.

[Phil Carter]

It's not too deep because it shouldn't

[Jason Ellis]

be involved in it. But, but if they're not involved in it, what if they just. What if we just start killing each other? Well, because there's nobody. The cops are like, he called you an N bomb. I don't care. We wait. He punched you in the face 10 times because you called him an embom. I don't care. Like, where does it end?

[Phil Carter]

I, I understand the point that you're making, but because in the context of this discussion, we're talking about a court case, like that's the whole, the whole meat potatoes of it.

[Jason Ellis]

Sweet. Because I kind of agree with you on that. I agree.

[Ian Crossland]

My question about just.

[Jason Ellis]

I'm asking where does it go if we don't interject morally.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. It's the question of where the line is and we, we, we, we agree as a country, if you're standing there saying naughty words, we're not going to arrest you. Yeah, and hold on, I'm going to add to this. We also somewhat agree, depending on context, that if someone instigates a fight, we're not going to arrest them for hitting you either.

[Phil Carter]

You started the fight.

[Tim Pool]

The line is this woman had. Had a kid loot her purse, like steal from her. If she went and punched that kid in the face, we got a problem, right? It's an eight year old kid. And, and what is considered, it is not considered reasonable to strike a child who's stealing from you. It was an applesauce. That's not a cell phone. He wasn't part of a gang or anything like this. So it's not reasonable. Insulting someone is just bad manners and morals.

[Ian Crossland]

My question though is, okay, so say there's a fight, a white guy and a black guy. The white guy beats up the black guy and then kills him in the fight or whatever. But then, and then another situation. A white guy and a black guy get into a fight. The white guy beats up the black guy and kills him. But then you find out he's got swastikas tattooed on him, the N word. He wrote a manifesto about how he wants to kill a black person.

[Phil Carter]

Like you always add all this content, everything's like all through, all the way

[Ian Crossland]

to 11 talking about gauging intentions. So in one instance, this guy has shown you a racial intent. So they, they will, they will upscale the charges because there were racial intentions.

[Phil Carter]

I think that, I think that the murder.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't like it. I think that's a real thing.

[Tim Pool]

It's a thought crime.

[Phil Carter]

It's wrong. I don't know how they hear me out. I think that he should be charged for first degree murder because it was

[Ian Crossland]

pre planned in both instances.

[Phil Carter]

I think in any.

[Tim Pool]

If you int.

[Phil Carter]

You, if you know, because the, the first thing that you were talking about, possibly they get into a. No, you see homicide. Stop, let me finish here. Don't, don't. Well, the first one you were talking about, they get into a fight, right? And one guy kills the guy because of the fight, right? That was what you laid out.

[Ian Crossland]

First degree, let's say that would you get him. Then he decides to finish him off.

[Phil Carter]

Okay, so that's second degree murder.

[Ian Crossland]

It would be first degree. If you knock on the ground, you look at him and then you decide to go kill them and finish them off.

[Phil Carter]

That's a first degree. Okay? Either way look, the point is it's first degree murder.

[Ian Crossland]

If you.

[Alex Stein]

That's all just change.

[Phil Carter]

Everything changes depending on what comes out of the person he's talking to. Mouth. The point is if you plan to kill someone, that is first degree or that is intentional homicide. Right. And the racial aspect is really irrelevant because you intended to go kill someone.

[Ian Crossland]

Are you saying legally it's irrelevant?

[Phil Carter]

I don't, I don't know what the, the hate, how they, how hate crimes are are actually adjud throughout the whole country. But generally the federal government or the government isn't supposed to be able to say you had bad, you had, you had hateful intentions. So we're going to go.

[Alex Stein]

But Phil, let me, let me just say this. And this is a personal experience. I don't want to go in a long thing. So I had this First Amendment lawsuit that went all the way to federal court. I sued the county judge of Dallas and I brought up this Dallas Morning News article about how when he was in college, he got arrested for doing a panty raid. It went all the way to federal court. Like, you know, we just. I paid a lot of money in front of the jury. They even admitted they didn't follow the rules or procedure of their own meeting. They had one of the county commissioners kick me out and they had to take a vote if they want to kick me out unless the county judge does it. The county judge did not kick me out. They kept on talking about the Constitution. My attorney that I paid all this money went on this First Amendment. The federal government gives us the right to say this. My jury was four black women, one Hispanic woman and one white guy. You and I have different perspectives. We respect the Constitution. A lot of people do not respect the Constitution. They believe that that was written during the time of slavery. So they actually hate the Constitution. So they interpret the government exactly the opposite of basically how the majority of us interpret the Constitution.

[Phil Carter]

Do you believe that that was the story of your peers?

[Alex Stein]

Not really, but. Yeah, I know, but it was in Dallas.

[Tim Pool]

You know, the left interpretation of the Constitution is that hate speech is not protected under the First Amendment.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And the right's interpretation is that it is. And the left's interpretation is rooted in the fact that blasphemy used to be illegal and that things that are considered objectionable or obscene can be. You can be criminally.

[Phil Carter]

That's the argument they make. And it's functional for them.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's what, the church's fault to the left.

[Phil Carter]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

You know the. But listen, I don't know how you are going to argue it. The founding father said that blasphemy was illegal and for 100, 200 years, people were being criminally charged for blaspheming. How is the left wrong when they say objectionable material is not protected?

[Phil Carter]

To Tim's point, like the left will, they don't care about the Constitution at all. They don't really believe any of it, but they will use things that have happened when they're functional because their goal is to exert power.

[Jason Ellis]

Both sides do that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I agree.

[Phil Carter]

I don't, I don't know that. I don't, don't know that I agree in, in the same way that the left does. Because you know that the, the left, like, they don't, they don't actually believe that there should be any kind of laws when it comes to.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's clarify. I'll just.

[Phil Carter]

They believe in. They believe. They believe that they're.

[Tim Pool]

There is a, a generality on the left to do this and a tendency on the right to do it, meaning you see it a lot on the left and you see it often on the right. So they both do it. And I make this point all the time that I talk to conservatives and they're like, I believe in the Constitution. And then I say, oh, so you think blasphemy should be illegal? And then to be fair, some conservatives go, yes, absolutely. But many will say, no, no, of course not. We shouldn't be arresting. Well, the Founding Fathers thought if you blasphemed, you should go to jail. And they draft this free speech, but at the same time would lock you up if you insulted, if you were like, even Catholics didn't have rights in a lot of places. So they were serious. And for that matter, the Second Amendment, according to the Founding Fathers, did not grant you the right under state's laws to have weapons or protect you from it. If Virginia wanted to ban guns, they were allowed to do it. The federal government, the Constitution, Second Amendment barred the federal government from passing laws on guns, not from states. We've completely changed how we view the Constitution, even on the right. So conservatives will come out and they'll say, I believe in the Constitution, I'm an originalist, and then give you a textualist interpretation.

[Jason Ellis]

Yep. What he said.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you see, and if Jason agrees, that means I'm right.

[Alex Stein]

No, and I do agree with you, Tim, though. It is like an interpretation of what our Bill of Rights are. And people, like I said, they don't even believe in them. Right. Like they think the whole foundation of our government was built on the backs of slaves. Like, they hate our government. And I can almost understand their perspective a little bit, and I can almost empathize.

[Tim Pool]

That's a good point. I completely agree with the left. Now.

[Alex Stein]

I can empathize if my great great grandmother was a slave, why I'd hate America. You know, I'm not.

[Phil Carter]

That's my entire. That's my, that's to my point to what I was saying to Tim is like, they hate the Constitution. They don't like the America. And so when they say, oh, well, you know, the Constitution says, this Constitution says that it's not because they have any kind of love for the government or, I'm sorry, love for the country or for the Constitution. It's because it is a functional argument and a way to, and a way to win the debate.

[Tim Pool]

But I have to, I have to point out that it, all of it only ever is a functional argument. It's just a question of how, how willing are, how willing are you in various situations to apply a functional argument? Right. My point is conservatives arguments on the Constitution apply to an America of the 1960s to the 1990s. And so it seems broad, but outside of the context of our past couple of generations, I would argue that they are as. They're as functional arguments as the lefts are. It's just a question of what we want to be in this country and what powers we are willing to use to enforce it. So, you know, it's fascinating because I was actually just talking with Lily Tang Williams about this. She said that in communist China, she goes to law school as a teenager and she's very much like the party, very excited. And then she was told by her professor that we are not a nation ruled by laws, we are a nation ruled by men. And that struck her when she began to understand what that meant, that the laws were just tools that could be used whenever they needed to control a population.

[Phil Carter]

And at the end of the day, that. That is basically how all governments work.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, the question is how, how. What is the right willing to do to get the country they want? And the only really thing, real thing we're arguing is less so than the left is. The left is willing to exercise whatever power and argument they need to to win and gain power. And the right sometimes does.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah, I think that's probably right. I think that's probably correct. Because the right likes.

[Tim Pool]

But don't we want the right to do it all the time?

[Phil Carter]

Well, I'm, I'm not 100.

[Ian Crossland]

Sure.

[Phil Carter]

Because when you start talking about, you know, if you don't have some kind of moderation, particularly on the right, the right ends up doing things, you know, the right is more, the right is as likely as the left to do.

[Tim Pool]

We don't need to say left or right. All humans are as likely to.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Steal power.

[Phil Carter]

You know, I'm more thinking about the, like the kind of atrocities that end up happening. Right. If you just say, well, exercising power is the ultimate goal.

[Tim Pool]

This is, this is the issue of atrocity. How many people died in the Iraq war?

[Alex Stein]

Millions.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't know if it was millions.

[Alex Stein]

Talking about Americans, we're talking about a Muslim people. I think Muslims.

[Phil Carter]

It was over like there was something like a million people in Iraq died.

[Tim Pool]

Is that an atrocity? Yeah, that the United States invaded a foreign country under false pretext and then the war resulted in the death of a million plus people. So the, the point I'm bringing up is that even the concept of atrocity is relative to the moral, the moral perspective of a body politic.

[Phil Carter]

Well, it depends. I mean, if it was like if you're sitting. And the reason I say it depends is because with the United States initiating it, you can lay, you can lay all the blame at the feet of the United States and say, well, you're the one that started it. So the, you downstream effects of you doing, you know, initiating this invasion is what started, is what caused all these death.

[Tim Pool]

Estimated 200,000 civilian deaths.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

In the conflict.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so I, I think I'll put it like this. If the US Is to falter and lose, if, if, if the left were to win, if China or Russia were to win, history will write that the United States was an evil empire that committed serious atrocities such as the massacring of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I think they're going to write that regardless. But when you say.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, but hold on, they, they will. But if the United States wins in terms of culture and control, they're not going to let that narrative be the,

[Alex Stein]

be the case that shows you that history is all fake. And literally, I mean, it's his story. That's what they say. I mean, that's not even a conspiracy. That's like literally history.

[Tim Pool]

It's not the etymology of history.

[Alex Stein]

I know, but you know what I mean, There's a lot of hidden meaning in these.

[Phil Carter]

Come on.

[Alex Stein]

I mean, come on. You're just. Is it that crazy? His story. But I think you could tie that together. That I Think they connect enough?

[Jason Ellis]

I hope so.

[Alex Stein]

I know that's not the etymology of the word history. Of course it's not. But it's just, you know, there's. There's. Words have power, and I think that it's always his story.

[Phil Carter]

How very postmodern of you.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I mean, you know, listen, we're trying to have some, like, philosophical debate about whether or not she called a Somali illegal immigrant the N word. And did she get punished, like, harshly?

[Tim Pool]

Is it true the guy that she insulted is a. Is like a pito or something?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. He had been arrested for doing. I think maybe it was a child abuse. Allegedly. That he had.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Alex Stein]

Record himself. But my point is, she actually won in this whole thing. She's got $800,000. GoFundMe. It was. I mean, so really gives them to go, I think, or gifts. And I'm just saying, who's the victim in this? I mean, I guess maybe us.

[Phil Carter]

To me, like, 43. It's like, for the 200 hours of community service, she's actually getting, like, $4,300 per hour for the community service.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's 871,000.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. And she's gonna go to, like, a vet clinic or whatever and pet dogs for two hours or whatever.

[Tim Pool]

So. So.

[Jason Ellis]

So here's it look like a racist, though.

[Alex Stein]

But she's hot.

[Jason Ellis]

But then again, she's hot. I don't know. This whole end of the table.

[Tim Pool]

Just that end of the table.

[Alex Stein]

You look like the racist.

[Jason Ellis]

You don't know. I look more racist than him. He looks old. This guy's like the Aryan brotherhood.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah, I got blue eyes.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah, yeah. You suspect.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, listen.

[Jason Ellis]

He's a little more like, I'm black. He's like a smart racist.

[Phil Carter]

He's the one.

[Ian Crossland]

I think I'm like, 1% Jewish, so you're what makes me colored.

[Phil Carter]

Did you hear?

[Alex Stein]

Actually, Nick Fuentes is a Sephardic Jew. We love Nick. Yeah, Shout out. Nick F. You didn't hear this?

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't see.

[Alex Stein]

We love Nick Fuentes on this show. Tim's a secret Nick Fuentes. Stan. He won't admit that. He won't. And put this on the record. But, yeah, allegedly, he's in a beef with Sneako, and then Sneo said that Tim told him privately that, yeah, I know that he's a Sephardic.

[Phil Carter]

I don't know, reliable.

[Alex Stein]

We love Nick Fuentes.

[Tim Pool]

Here's. Here's the issue. So I'll explain to Jason. The reason why she made so much money is because people Were tired of cancel culture and people losing their jobs for being racist.

[Jason Ellis]

Well, that racist people probably gave her money.

[Tim Pool]

A ton of. A ton of them.

[Jason Ellis]

Okay?

[Tim Pool]

But the reason why, you know, these

[Jason Ellis]

guys, they gave her money for sure.

[Tim Pool]

The reason why you get 870,000 is because this video goes viral, and a bunch of lefties were like, where does she work? Get her fired. So then people on the right said, you know what? We're done with this. Let's raise her a million dollars. She might have, but guys didn't show

[Alex Stein]

how dumb we are as a society. When Carmelo Anthony's family gets, like, a million dollar, you know, GoFundMe or whatever, Gibson go. And then buys a mansion, we'll give anybody our money if it just, like, makes us feel a little bit better about our political cause. Like, it really kind of shows that we're retarded more than anything.

[Ian Crossland]

I saw the girl bouncing up and down.

[Phil Carter]

I don't think she did get fired from her job.

[Tim Pool]

She did.

[Phil Carter]

I don't think she did.

[Alex Stein]

Far from being a stripper, but.

[Jason Ellis]

Okay, wait, she's a stripper?

[Alex Stein]

No, I'm kidding.

[Jason Ellis]

I see it.

[Tim Pool]

You see it in her eyes.

[Alex Stein]

She's definitely danced. I don't mean dance in her past.

[Jason Ellis]

The hand tattoo is pretty suspect.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. At one point.

[Tim Pool]

I know. Yeah. Anybody with, like, hand tattoos, you do it? You can say anybody. I find suspect, you know?

[Phil Carter]

Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

If you weren't molested, you're probably an evil person. I think that kind of how that this looks.

[Ian Crossland]

People look at this girl and they think of Arena Zarutska and that dude that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this is before that.

[Alex Stein]

I know.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

I've dated, like, five of her.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, Zaruska is that blonde girl that got stabbed in the neck by the big black dude on the bus right before Charlie Kirk was killed. And it caused this massive inflammation of anger, and then this girl looks like her. So this is like the justice for Arena Zarut.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but that. But Arena Zara was after.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but it's all the same, you

[Alex Stein]

know, and this is going to sound insensitive to arena, but I was. I was watching. This guy's going viral for. It's called maxing, you know, where you just.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You guys, I'm familiar.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Alex Stein]

Imagine if arena walked on that. You know that. I think it was a train or whatever. It was a bus. And she was acting all crazy, and she was acting all, you know, crashed out. She probably wouldn't have got stabbed. My point is, it's like we almost need to act Crazier to fight the crazy. That's how insane it is. Like when you go on a subway, like, you're going to get stabbed if you just try to act like a normal person in society.

[Tim Pool]

Haven't you seen Die Hard 2 or whatever? When Sam Jackson walks up to McLean and he's wearing the sandwich board that says I hate.

[Alex Stein]

And.

[Tim Pool]

And then he's like, act crazy now. And starts to go like.

[Alex Stein]

And then people get scared.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying, well, they beat him up anyway.

[Alex Stein]

But it's like, that's the only way to fight the craziness of the world, is to almost act crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

But you don't want to become truly crazy. That's the danger of doing that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Ian would know. I mean, Andy coffee, he's gone to the print.

[Alex Stein]

He's written a lot of manifestos about it.

[Ian Crossland]

I used to walk alone at night in New York with my jacket hunched over like I was going to murder somebody. Just looking at people. Psycho. And people would move out of my way and avoid me and be like, that's not my turn.

[Jason Ellis]

You're not doing that now. Well, it became.

[Ian Crossland]

I kind of embodied that lifestyle. Now I'm like, you got a full

[Jason Ellis]

trench coat you showed up with in the summer, July.

[Alex Stein]

His personality by force. So, like, it was forced upon you because. As a defense mechanism because New York is so dangerous.

[Jason Ellis]

Trying to find Noah's Ark with a whip or some. Good luck, dude.

[Phil Carter]

I.

[Alex Stein]

You know, it's funny.

[Jason Ellis]

What about a live whipping of the child? Not. Not bad skin break, like, but with the child.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, if she'd.

[Jason Ellis]

Smith stealing like a rubber.

[Phil Carter]

Like a rubber hose, Right?

[Ian Crossland]

The kid was stealing.

[Phil Carter]

It doesn't break the standard.

[Jason Ellis]

The lady, she would have been bomb. It's like. Well, you go up after him for a couple of lashings.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, so if the kid.

[Tim Pool]

What if she banged.

[Ian Crossland]

If they caught it on video and the kid was stealing out of her purse. This is all on video. And she was like, hey. And smacked the kid.

[Phil Carter]

There was no video.

[Ian Crossland]

Would she be in trouble for that?

[Jason Ellis]

Yes. What are you doing?

[Phil Carter]

Yes. You can't. What do you.

[Ian Crossland]

What do you do if a person's stealing from your. From you?

[Jason Ellis]

And you.

[Alex Stein]

You grab the.

[Tim Pool]

It's a child. You grab him and take the thing back and it's a squirrel on his way. What, now we're charging squirrels? A squirrel.

[Jason Ellis]

That's a good point. I didn't think of that. Squirrel.

[Tim Pool]

You're a child.

[Jason Ellis]

Inward squirrel. What kind of. Exactly what colored squirrel was it?

[Alex Stein]

Right.

[Jason Ellis]

That's a question what was it?

[Ian Crossland]

Where I went to camp There. Black squirrels all over campus. Yeah, black squirrels?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. Bino squirrels are the real like ones you ever seen?

[Tim Pool]

No, the albino squirrels are never taking food from anybody.

[Ian Crossland]

Break his face. I'm saying if she smacks his hand away from her purse.

[Phil Carter]

You're assaulting a child.

[Ian Crossland]

Stealing.

[Phil Carter]

I don't care about your hand.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, guys, I. I want to hear Ian out of this. Ian, why do you think we should. We should strike children?

[Ian Crossland]

What if it's 17 year old kid, A child stealing from your steal your wallet and you smack his hand away? Is that assault?

[Jason Ellis]

Yes.

[Alex Stein]

Not a 17 year old.

[Ian Crossland]

My wallet.

[Alex Stein]

Not a 17 year old. No.

[Ian Crossland]

I steal your wallet and you smack it out of your wallet.

[Phil Carter]

Out of my hand.

[Jason Ellis]

You get charged with the salt from stopping a theft.

[Ian Crossland]

But if you shoot a attempted murder, you're okay.

[Phil Carter]

It's just the craziest what you're saying.

[Jason Ellis]

If you kill someone, which is real, like that's a debate. What are you talking.

[Ian Crossland]

You're saying that if you kill someone in self defense, it's okay?

[Jason Ellis]

I didn't say kill. I said it's pretty well documented. To get it back, you can press charges. You might not get them, but you, you. What about people that break into houses and get hurt?

[Alex Stein]

That's like only in California. That's like only in California where a guy fell into a guy's glass roof and he got charged because he got fighting.

[Jason Ellis]

You can't, you can't hit first.

[Tim Pool]

This is an important distinction. Okay, Ian, hold on. There are very few states. Ian, there are very few states that allows you to use force to recover property. I think Texas is one of them. But I understand your argument. If a man came up to you to grab my stuff and I swung at him because he's stealing from me.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't want a person going to jail because he's being robbed. But. Yeah, actually we've talked about this on the show. I think Texas might be one of the only states where you're allowed to use force against someone to recover property after the.

[Ian Crossland]

So if you catch him in the act, I imagine it's different than after the fact. Going after them to get your property back.

[Jason Ellis]

You know, people. Depends on target. If I steal something and they put their hands on me, I could charge them.

[Phil Carter]

Them.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not. But it's not their property.

[Tim Pool]

And there's a distinction.

[Jason Ellis]

It's still. I'm just saying the law because I had a friend that was security at Target and he said people Would steal stuff and he just walk out with them because he couldn't do anything. He wasn't allowed to put his hands on him. I'm like, what's the point of you being there? He's like, I don't know. I'm just. That's my job.

[Tim Pool]

Now let's clarify the that someone's going to kill you point. If you are, you are only allowed to use force, lethal force against someone if there is an active threat. Meaning if someone shoots at you and misses and then throws the gun to the side, you can't shoot them only to stop them from trying to.

[Ian Crossland]

Similar would be if they're in the process of trying to steal from you as opposed to they got your thing and they're running.

[Tim Pool]

Now you're defending yourself.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

If you're defending yourself from an attempted theft like your purse or a kid stealing your applesauce, whatever. I don't care what it is. If it's your property and someone's taking it, whether they're a 6 year old animal or 40 year old animal, I don't care. You have a right to defend yourself.

[Alex Stein]

Going after squirrels, let's just come out of it.

[Phil Carter]

Because humans are animals.

[Ian Crossland]

Stupid animals.

[Tim Pool]

And I gotta. I gotta be honest. If a seagull snatched your wallet and you just whacked it, no one care. No one would care.

[Alex Stein]

I disagree. Well, if a bald eagle came and took your sub sandwich and you hit it, federal offense.

[Ian Crossland]

What if it takes.

[Tim Pool]

You're right, you're right.

[Jason Ellis]

I just mean, like, what if it

[Tim Pool]

takes your wallet for your video?

[Jason Ellis]

They're gonna edit it where it's looks like you just punched it for no reason.

[Phil Carter]

Ian. If a bald eagle takes your stuff, you let that eagle take it.

[Ian Crossland]

If a bald eagle takes your ride home.

[Phil Carter]

Let me finish, Let me finish. If a bald eagle takes something from you, you leave it alone. Because if you hurt that bald eagle, it is a federal offense and you will go to federal prison.

[Ian Crossland]

But what if it's something you need?

[Jason Ellis]

Oh, my God. It doesn't matter.

[Alex Stein]

Dude, it's your insulin. It's your diabetes medicine. Dude, it is your diabetes medicine.

[Ian Crossland]

Take your livelihood away. You're like, just let it take it. If you.

[Phil Carter]

Wait, listen.

[Ian Crossland]

Took your livelihood, it takes your car keys.

[Phil Carter]

It is a.

[Jason Ellis]

That's your life.

[Phil Carter]

It is a.

[Ian Crossland]

It's your only ride and you're 40 miles medication.

[Alex Stein]

I think we medic.

[Phil Carter]

It is.

[Jason Ellis]

You're like, just let it take it.

[Ian Crossland]

That's the right thing to do.

[Jason Ellis]

If you're on top of Mount Everest and you really.

[Phil Carter]

It is a federal offense. It is a federal offense to harm any kind of hawk. Anything. What was that? Yeah, any migratory birds. Right. So it is a federal offense that is under. Covered under the U. S. Fish and wildlife and the, the U. S. Fish and wildlife police. They are armed to the teeth because they go out into the woods by themselves and they frequently run into people that have guns because they're. They're going out there trying to enforce laws, hunting and stuff. You will go to federal prison if you hurt a bald eagle or a hawk or any kind of migratory bird.

[Tim Pool]

So I have a question. What if the squirrel is trying to break into your house?

[Phil Carter]

Squirrel's not a bird.

[Tim Pool]

Shoot. Can't you shoot on site?

[Phil Carter]

I think you actually I listen, I

[Tim Pool]

shoot a squirrel, like nine male, just. It vaporizes.

[Phil Carter]

I think I have a lot of squirrels in New Hampshire.

[Tim Pool]

We're breaking into your house.

[Phil Carter]

Well, not for breaking in, but because they get color.

[Tim Pool]

Were the squirrels.

[Phil Carter]

Let's not talk about that.

[Ian Crossland]

But if you're out in the woods and the eagle, the bald eagle takes

[Phil Carter]

your car key, all of your. What is it?

[Ian Crossland]

Are you saying you'll let the bald eagle take you?

[Phil Carter]

These are argument. Listen, these are arguments.

[Jason Ellis]

You're actually insane.

[Phil Carter]

You are insane. But these are arguments.

[Alex Stein]

I don't like the.

[Phil Carter]

Hold on.

[Alex Stein]

I don't like the key analogy. But if they took my medicine, my, like let's say they took my dad's diabetes.

[Phil Carter]

These are arguments you make in court.

[Alex Stein]

Every pain. The guy's having a freaking.

[Phil Carter]

What is this?

[Jason Ellis]

When is this going?

[Tim Pool]

It's never going to happen. A bald eagle is not going to swoop down and steal your dad's diabetes medicine.

[Phil Carter]

These are, these are arguments that your lawyer will make in court. But it doesn't change the fact that you will be breaking a federal law and the feds will have the authority to pick you up about it.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah, no, please don't ask another question from that answer, please. It comes back to the same thing. He's gonna say it again about the bird. All same rule applies the whole time. If you're a he man and the bird steals your sword and now you can't have the power to be the master of the universe. Kill the bird. Just wave it.

[Phil Carter]

Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

Let's Skeletor win.

[Jason Ellis]

Thank you. So you're saying, you're saying. My God, shut up.

[Ian Crossland]

You guys are saying let Skeletor win.

[Tim Pool]

Talk about something else.

[Ian Crossland]

Right thing to do.

[Jason Ellis]

Oh, please. What I'm wondering is, I want to debate politics. It's illegal time in my life.

[Ian Crossland]

It's illegal to smack a thief.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, we get it, we get it.

[Ian Crossland]

But it's not the wrong thing to do.

[Tim Pool]

Here's a story from Fox News. Chaos erupts. This House passes $1.15 trillion defense bill with Israel provision. Quote, stop stoking Jew hatred. Democrats and Republican skeptics join forces against section 209 while transgender provisions further split the vote. I'm going to say this. The NDAA has the SAVE act, the trans thing, the Israel thing. You are all insane. All members of Congress are insane. This is, all of this is just the stupidest thing ever. And it shows. We are completely dysfunctional. When they're like, we're going to authorize the military to go to war and require IDs to vote and grant trans rights and also integrate our military technology with Israel. I'm just like, there's no Congress anymore. No, we're not actually passing bills.

[Phil Carter]

Everything's anonymous.

[Tim Pool]

What they're doing is they're getting the tiny bits from the bottom of the play DOH canisters and mashing them all together and then telling you they made a model of something and you're like a thing.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. I don't think our military is integrated enough with Israel. I feel like we need to be like Benjamin Netanyahu needs to be like, leading our troops. So I'm a little frustrated with the bill. I don't think it went far enough, personally.

[Phil Carter]

The reality of what's, of what the section 219 is, is they're looking to put the US and Israel more in because it's not integrating our militaries. It's, it's at a what?

[Tim Pool]

It's technology.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah. It's integrating technology and weapons. But the big, the one of the biggest problems is if that enters because right now we've already got a lot of intertwined stuff with, with Israel and, and stuff. But one of the.

[Ian Crossland]

Australia.

[Phil Carter]

But the point is if you intertwine things like that in the future, if there's some kind of problem, it's hard to undo it.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Phil Carter]

Like you, it's not as easy because, like, look at the stuff that went on with Anthropic. Mike Benz was talking about this last night. The stuff that went on with Anthropic and the Department of War. Right. Part of the reason, like Anthropic is still working with the Department of War because they have programs that Anthropics AI was involved in. They have to and to pull those things out. You can't just yank all of the anthropic software out and replace it with new stuff because you're dealing with like sensitive topics. You're dealing with, with, you know, multi level, multi clearance programs and stuff like that. So to get that stuff out, it's a lot of work. And that's one of the worst things about the whole 219 thing is if you integrate like that, it gets real hard to take it out. And it's like. So we were talking about the, the, the, the Trump administration authorizing the Saudis to have nuclear reactors, right? Because so they can make big nuclear power.

[Tim Pool]

But, but what if a bald eagle comes?

[Phil Carter]

I'm going to, I got my gun on me. I will shoot myself if you do that.

[Alex Stein]

Tim, Unironically, I do want to make this point and like there's like the conspiracy side of it. It's like they've already been integrated now. It's just kind of like, hey, look, now it's on paper and this is, they're going to have access to our technology. But then I can also look at it unironically in favor of it because maybe it'll stop Israel from bombing Beirut, okay? So maybe we'll have more control over them going into Lebanon or Egypt or Turkey. I mean, okay, maybe, maybe now that we're more integrated.

[Phil Carter]

Finish my point. Let me finish my point. The situation with Saudi Arabia that I was talking about, right? So the US Is talking about giving nuclear reactors to Saudi Arabia, which likely would lead to Saudi Arabia having nuclear weapons because it's a small step. They, the Trump administration, after Saudi Arabia signed the deal, they said, okay, now as a stipulation after the fact, you have to join the Abraham Accords and recognize Israel diplomatically, which means that the Saudis are probably going to say, no, we don't want to do the deal. And if you give Israel that kind of influence over that kind of, that kind of integration with the military, those kind of things happen in the future. So there could be a deal that the US has is trying to do with the UAE that's beneficial to both parties and Israel steps in and says, no, we don't want this because we don't like the UAE or we don't like this, and you don't want your country to have their sovereignty overridden by authority. A third country, like that's something that the US should be very, very wary

[Alex Stein]

of, live in a sovereign country.

[Phil Carter]

I, look, I'm not going to. That's not the argument we're having, right? I'm talking what we're talking about 219. Do you want to change the subject?

[Alex Stein]

Oh, no, I'm just saying.

[Phil Carter]

Because you want to derail it. It's like Ian 2 over here, derail it.

[Alex Stein]

But I think, I think it's germane to this whole entire thing. Just saying. I think there's an argument. And Tucker said it like. And there's been multiple people have said it. Do we live in a sovereign country?

[Phil Carter]

Okay, so what are you asking? Does Israel control our country?

[Alex Stein]

Do they have.

[Phil Carter]

Are you asking if Israel. Just say it if you're going to say it. Okay, stop. Stop dancing around like a pussy, dude.

[Alex Stein]

I'm just saying, listen, if somebody's going to say, you know, Alex, the pharmaceutical lobbyists pay a lot more than aipac. That's probably true, but is our healthcare system good here in America?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Alex Stein]

Exactly.

[Phil Carter]

Actually, no. Hold on. The health care system in the United States is the best in the world. Paying for. It's the problem. We make the vast majority of the advances and we have the best service in the whole world. It's just that it's expensive makes. The vast majority of advances are made when it comes to actually people that actually go to the doctor.

[Jason Ellis]

Have you been to the doctor?

[Phil Carter]

Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

You're saying it's excellent service.

[Phil Carter]

It's better than anywhere else in the world.

[Ian Crossland]

World.

[Tim Pool]

Just because it's not Nigeria, it's not perfect.

[Alex Stein]

Doesn't let me make this point.

[Jason Ellis]

I have.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I was in Turkey.

[Alex Stein]

But listen, Nigeria had a lower. Let me just make this point though. They, they keep saying America has the best health care system. Nigeria had a lower Covid mortality rate than America.

[Phil Carter]

We've already derailed and we're talking about

[Alex Stein]

COVID You're saying when.

[Phil Carter]

Look, the point that I make.

[Alex Stein]

How is Nigeria better at handling Covid than America?

[Phil Carter]

The point that I'm making is 219 is bad. The section 219 of the NDAA is bad. We don't want to have other countries overriding deals that we're trying to do with third parties. So then why'd you derail the conversation?

[Alex Stein]

Derail? I just think there's, you know, other topics that are associated with this entire, you know, topic.

[Phil Carter]

So. Okay, so to your other. Or the other comment that you implied because you were too much of a

[Alex Stein]

coward to actually say that Israel controls everything.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah. Okay, there you go. Israel. Okay.

[Alex Stein]

Israel. United states donate to 95% of our United States and special interest groups. I think you just admitted this.

[Phil Carter]

The United States is not a client nation to Israel.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, Bill Clinton wondered if that was true or not.

[Phil Carter]

The United States. The United States is not a client country and client nation to Israel. Israel does have an over. Like have overrepresentation in our, in our government.

[Alex Stein]

You just lost the debate.

[Phil Carter]

Only because you yell.

[Tim Pool]

I can yell too. Hold on there.

[Phil Carter]

Hold on.

[Tim Pool]

Alex. I gotta, I gotta say, Phil can yell way better than you.

[Alex Stein]

I agree.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you, you.

[Alex Stein]

He loses better voice. I'm not, I can't yell. I'm just saying they're over integrated so we.

[Ian Crossland]

They.

[Phil Carter]

So there's a difference.

[Alex Stein]

I'm not saying that they run the government.

[Phil Carter]

But that's what you literally just said. That's why I specifically asked you. I specifically asked you and I called

[Jason Ellis]

you names about it.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on.

[Alex Stein]

Overgeneralization?

[Tim Pool]

You said something crazier than that. Do we have a sovereign nation?

[Alex Stein]

It sometimes it doesn't seem like we do, honestly.

[Tim Pool]

Why?

[Alex Stein]

Because it seems like special interest groups.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. Special interest groups don't. If you have like a pharmaceutical lobby, you're still a sovereign nation. But when you say are we a sovereign nation, you're implying another government because has power over us.

[Alex Stein]

Yes, because what I think is. I think America is leading the charge of globalism. And we bring up Alex Jones. We talked about this for years. I'm an anti globalist and I think America is leading the charge in globalism. So once we make that our objective, to be the global leader of the world. Yeah. It makes us less sovereign. That's my argument.

[Tim Pool]

What's wrong with globalization?

[Alex Stein]

Are you kidding? I mean, what's wrong with asking you

[Tim Pool]

a question so you can explain yourself? Why are you mad?

[Alex Stein]

Because I get frustrated.

[Tim Pool]

Because I didn't say it was for globalization.

[Alex Stein]

America should be America. We don't need to be America. Mexico. And so I don't. So our sovereignty.

[Tim Pool]

This is the important question. Because what you're saying is you don't want. Want everything to be one nation. Of course, because there's other interpretations of globalization is just an over. Like a, like an.

[Alex Stein]

Do you like the euro? You like the euro?

[Tim Pool]

I didn't say I was in favor of all of this. My point is some people would argue that globalization is more like there was an international adjudicating body for. For disputes. America would remain sovereign within its own borders and Mexico would. But instead of war, you have lawsuits.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, but it's funny because that same lobby that you're insinuating considers Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal. And then Mayor Mamdani. And I'm not even trying to get on that thing says, oh, I want to arrest him. I'm not saying Netanyahu should be arrested, but I'm saying we do have these governing bodies.

[Tim Pool]

So you're an anthropo.

[Phil Carter]

We know.

[Alex Stein]

I'm saying. I'm not. I'm saying we have multinational governing bodies that we didn't listen to. So it's all pro.

[Tim Pool]

New York is a rogue state, Alex, not an exaggeration.

[Phil Carter]

The Secretary of State just last week came out and specifically made a statement saying that the. That the International Criminal Court has no jurisdiction in the United States. When the Secretary of State comes out and says that, that means the policy of the United States is we don't give a shit what you think.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I like Marco Rubio, but his shoes don't fit. So that's.

[Tim Pool]

Zoran Mandani should be in jail.

[Alex Stein]

For what?

[Tim Pool]

Violating the Logan Act.

[Alex Stein]

For what? For trying to put another.

[Tim Pool]

Putting a public statement out saying that you. First of all, he threatened to arrest Netanyahu several times. I don't even like Netanyahu. I've said several times he's got to go.

[Alex Stein]

A lot of people in Israel don't.

[Tim Pool]

That's what I'm saying. I think Israel be better off without him. But Zuram Dani, as a mayor, issued a statement, a threat of force against a foreign dignitary, which is a violation of the Logan Act. Explicitly. Explicitly. He should be arrested and charged for it. We cannot have mayors threatening US Foreign policy that, like, we can't have that.

[Alex Stein]

We should probably shouldn't have presidents doing crypto scams either. But, you know, somebody, you know, rules for the now, for me, I mean. You know what I mean?

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I'm saying, like, whether it's Trump, I'm saying, or. Or Blanche, left turn.

[Alex Stein]

You have. There's different rules for. For people in power than you and I is what I'm trying to. Is. Would be my argument. I know you want to.

[Tim Pool]

You've not. You've not addressed the argument at all.

[Alex Stein]

You want to say that, oh, he should be charged for the Logan Act. Well, he's a mayor of.

[Phil Carter]

I would not exactly he's.

[Alex Stein]

But they're going to say, oh, well, he's speaking hyperbolically and no, he's not. Well, that's what they're.

[Tim Pool]

Are you joking?

[Alex Stein]

That's what they're going to say.

[Tim Pool]

He's been issued several statements.

[Alex Stein]

Do you think he's going to face any sort of legal.

[Tim Pool]

Of course not. Because we were in a nation of cowards.

[Alex Stein]

We agree.

[Tim Pool]

We used to be. We used to be a nation of conquerors. Now we're a nation of cowards. Oh, but Zoran said. But if I arrest him, people will get mad at me.

[Alex Stein]

Listen, I'm just telling you, I think America is leading the charge of globalism. And I'm, of course they've always been

[Tim Pool]

called the liberal economic order.

[Alex Stein]

So when you guys say, oh, do we live in a sovereign country? That's why. That would be my argument to that.

[Tim Pool]

But our, our nation conquering other nations doesn't mean we are not sovereign.

[Alex Stein]

No, actually I think us conquering other nations takes away our sovereignty. Right, Like Puerto Rico adding, you know. Yes, giving them. Should Puerto Ricans have the right to vote?

[Tim Pool]

No, hold on, I have a question.

[Phil Carter]

They do have the right to vote.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I'm saying should they be, should they be the 51st state or should these be the 52nd state?

[Tim Pool]

Should the US have returned Mexico after

[Alex Stein]

the, after the war, the Mexican American or in the Texas Mexican?

[Tim Pool]

We took the west to the California, but we gave back large portions like Baja California. Should we have kept the it?

[Alex Stein]

Probably not. We should probably give him some. You know, I like big Bo.

[Tim Pool]

We should not have kept it.

[Alex Stein]

I'm saying I, I like big booty Latinas.

[Tim Pool]

Should we give California back?

[Alex Stein]

Not necessarily. But I will tell you why.

[Tim Pool]

Why shouldn't Puerto Rico?

[Alex Stein]

I think we should give immigration rights to Mexicans over Mumbai Indians that are using HB visa scams. So that's none of that pro Mexican that I.

[Phil Carter]

None of that. End all immigration 10 years.

[Tim Pool]

You know, big booty libidas lat. Especially Australia.

[Alex Stein]

But I'm saying, you know, but, but Phil, can we not argue though, thank you. That a Mexican from the Baja has at least a little more claim to America than somebody from Mumbai.

[Phil Carter]

Only Americans born in America to American parents, in my opinion, have any sort of claim to the United States. There is a slew of people that we saw last summer protesting ice, waving Mexican flags, saying that they hate America and they protest ice. Those people have no claim to America. Even if they are, even if they're first generation Americans or if they're illegal immigrants. They have no claim to America at all.

[Alex Stein]

I'm just saying I feel like, you know, the Mexican has a little more than somebody from India. That's.

[Jason Ellis]

What, do I have any claim?

[Phil Carter]

Were you born in America?

[Alex Stein]

Boom.

[Phil Carter]

Are you an American? Are you a citizen?

[Tim Pool]

Well, but hold on. You are white.

[Jason Ellis]

Oh, that's what I'm waiting for.

[Phil Carter]

Are you a citizen?

[Jason Ellis]

Okay. Are you a city card?

[Phil Carter]

You have A green card. Well, then you don't have a claim to America because you're not a citizen.

[Alex Stein]

You should be deported. He thinks you should be deported, so.

[Phil Carter]

No, because. No, no, because I said all illegal immigrants.

[Alex Stein]

Okay, well.

[Phil Carter]

Oh, yeah, I know you're splitting hairs trying to change what I said, because

[Jason Ellis]

it was as a. As a person that came.

[Alex Stein]

Immigrant country. Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

And like. And struggled immigrant. And had you. I'll give you one more and then we'll see. I've seen you fight. Dude, just shut up.

[Alex Stein]

Okay?

[Jason Ellis]

Anyway, I came here legally.

[Alex Stein]

I did win that fight.

[Jason Ellis]

And I had to get. Sure. I had to get, like, I had to get lawyers and I had to get. People write me letters. My job. That I was the only person that could do the job. And I just so happened to fill a spot that was not a spot that anyone else was taking. Like, it was pretty serious. I had a child here, and they were like, we don't really care about that. What are you doing here? And I had to, like, Tony Hawk wrote me a letter and said he's the guy for the job. And that was a lot lawyers and all the. I went in and then they gave it to me. It was a big deal. It was very hard not to mention all the things I did to get to that spot. To have the money, to have a lawyer, to let me have a green card for athlete visas for 12 years. Before that, I had a. Was it a P3, I think. I can't remember P1. Anyway, so all that to get in here legally, someone else just walks over. There is a part of me that goes, hey, man. Like, I never did. There were guys in skateboarding that did come here and tried to stay illegally because they couldn't get the money for the thing. And then they got caught crossing the border. Seven year ban. And I was like, well, we knew that. So if you do that, that's your fault. Nobody was like, the government's mean for sending you back. Like, we knew you get caught with no visa. Seven years. Like, that's your skateboard career. It's doing that on the line time.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. PV's is our athletes.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

So I had a six year one twice, and then I got a green card. But. But to get a P1 visa from a skateboard company. I was top five in the world. Like, really in there. And they're like, all right, we'll take care of him. You know how hard it was to get that?

[Phil Carter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

Like, so those piece of me that's like, you guys, you need to go in legally. That's it. Too bad. Do you know how bad their lives are? I don't. You know, and, and mine wasn't, I wasn't in poverty. Nobody was trying to murder me in Australia. It was pretty, I probably could have got a job.

[Tim Pool]

It's pretty cheap. It's probably P1. P1 is athletes. Individual athletes.

[Jason Ellis]

Right? Yeah. Because I remember thinking, one of the coolest at the time. That was the coolest thing that I'd done in my life. I had a P1 visa. So when I go to Australia, people like, how do you just. I can go whenever I want.

[Alex Stein]

How?

[Jason Ellis]

Athlete visa, mate.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so it means. But P1 means you're internationally recognized as a top tier athlete in your, in your field.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah, that's because I remember all the letters that everyone had to write. Because I just remember thinking, I'll go in with my wife and my daughter and it'll be done. And they were like, so this doesn't mean anything to us.

[Tim Pool]

I know a lot of people who skate and they got O visas and that just means extraordinary ability.

[Jason Ellis]

So there's an O visa.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, but so, so just understand, when you got a P visa, they're basically saying you're one of the best in the world.

[Jason Ellis]

I was.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jason Ellis]

A lot of people want to argue that these days on YouTube chat, but it's because that's. I'm old.

[Phil Carter]

So, like my YouTube chat, they're terrible.

[Jason Ellis]

I know it pays me, but it also chips away at my, it's good for me. I like being insulted because it's like, you're nothing, you know? I mean. And I go on YouTube chat to be refreshed that every day. Just in case you thought you were special.

[Tim Pool]

Here you go. In check.

[Jason Ellis]

You're not.

[Phil Carter]

You suck. Yeah, I get it all the time.

[Jason Ellis]

You're worse than me.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm very much in favor of legal immigration

[Alex Stein]

and I'm not, I think legal immigration, worse.

[Jason Ellis]

You think I should go?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. Probably because you took a job from an American skater. You know, they're probably good. There's an American skater.

[Jason Ellis]

It was on the table. If you beat me, you can have it. But. Oh, looks like he can't suck a butt.

[Alex Stein]

Well, the reason why I say that is because literally what's happening with our H1B visa scam, it's like, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but, so I'm not a fan of that. I'm saying that we need to have a proper legal immigration.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah.

[Alex Stein]

If you come here legally, of course, I'm not against that, but I do think people are cheating this.

[Ian Crossland]

You're saying no immigration.

[Phil Carter]

I want. I want to end all immigration for, like, a decade. So that way the people that are here can assimilate.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but what about. What about, like, the white people that could come.

[Phil Carter]

Tough titty.

[Ian Crossland]

What about the next P1 athlete from Australia?

[Phil Carter]

So I think that. That if you. Well, first of all, the. The process takes a long time, but I don't think the point that I'm making is I want the people that are here to be able to become Americans, right? I want them to assimilate into our. Into our culture. I don't want. I don't like the idea of places that are like, enclaves. Like, you hear about, where. Where it's like, this is. This area is like. Like, you know, it's. It's predominantly this culture, and they don't want to be Americans. For the vast majority of our history, people that came to America, they came here and they wanted to become American, right? You hear stories about the. The Ellis island immigrants, right? Their parents would come from the old country, and they had kids here, and their kids, they'd be like, you have to speak English because you want to become an American. If you're just coming to the United States because you're looking to. If you're looking for the. Essentially, the way I described it yesterday is like, if you're looking for the United States to save you, right? Like, I don't think the United States actually. I know the United States cannot save everybody that's in it. That's bad. That's in a destitute situation somewhere else in the world.

[Ian Crossland]

How do you know if they're looking to be saved?

[Phil Carter]

Well, if you come to the United States, you get on some social programs right away. That's a. That's a good indicator. The point that I'm making is we can. If we. We've had long stretches where immigration was ended from the. From after the Ellis island wave came. We had, like, no immigration until, like, the 60s or something like that.

[Jason Ellis]

What about if you're a contributor, that sounds like you'd be okay with that. You can prove that you're a, you know, somebody that's like, building some new car or some plane or, you know, he's got some sort of food thing that he's figured out that's gonna make it easier and make us more money as a country. Like, yeah, you can have a visa. Like, you're contributing, like, a great Doctor, if you're talking scientist. If you're talking about Sweden or whatever, would you be okay if they moved here?

[Phil Carter]

If you're talking about a, like a quota system where there's like, okay, there's going to be a hundred thousand people that can get it. Okay, right.

[Jason Ellis]

Like, I answer that question that I just asked you, though.

[Phil Carter]

Well, if you're. Well, it, the, the point is, if you're going to get one of the. If you're going to be on the quota system, that have to be justification. So it has to be like. So, yes, if it's someone like that's got, you know, someone that's a doctor or something, has some kind of special

[Jason Ellis]

on the burden coming in and being a burden to this country. I see that. I see it's not fair for us, but it's also. That's the arguments where it's like, yes, these people come in and take stuff that I could have had. Like, like, he thinks I took someone's job.

[Alex Stein]

Well, Somalians actually take like 87% of like, social services in the state of Missouri.

[Jason Ellis]

Right, but how much money is. I know this is not. I'm like, I'm arguing with another argument. So. But that seems to be a thing that people do. But is that the biggest hole that the country's taking is from.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, no, no. So check it out. I'll give you one example. Is that the latest assessment. I think it was a government assessment. Housing. Housing is 30% more expensive because of mass migration over the last six years. Yeah. And so.

[Jason Ellis]

So when you say mass migration, is that a particular country or is it everybody.

[Ian Crossland]

Everybody where?

[Jason Ellis]

And everybody.

[Tim Pool]

Everybody in general. But it was. It was illegal immigration.

[Phil Carter]

It was a long. There was a long time.

[Jason Ellis]

So it is. It is a particular.

[Phil Carter]

Then, no. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So. So a lot of people. No, but. Well, that's the problem.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, guys, this is important for me to say to Jason. Listen, we had people from Eritrea flying to Brazil and then what? Eritrea, Eastern Africa. And they would fly across Africa, then that, like West Africa, then fly to Brazil, then take a train, like, ride trains and travel up to the southern border of the United States. This was. There were Somalis, they were Iranians, they were Chinese. It was not Mexico.

[Phil Carter]

Mexicans, Mexicans don't like the.

[Tim Pool]

Mexico offered all of these people asylum to stay in Mexico.

[Jason Ellis]

And they said they come through Mexico

[Phil Carter]

and they come through Mexico because the southern border is so porous, actually predict.

[Tim Pool]

So what happens is they say there's a housing shortage and There's a low skill labor shortage because you have estimates between 10 and 20 million illegal immigrants coming since from 2020. 2021 to 2020.

[Jason Ellis]

Well, based on what you've just told me, then yeah, I'm for, I'm with you. But I got, I'll pull it up, but I don't think.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. So just to clarify, you're okay with immigration if it's good people, contributors?

[Phil Carter]

Well, yeah, I mean, look, our, our. We were talking about this yesterday a little bit. Like the United States has always been a place that attracts people that have an I can do this attitude, right? Yeah, particularly, that's me. But like, because historically, especially before, you know, before say, say before 1945, right. Before a lot of air travel became common. So before 1950, to get on a ship and go the two week trip and go to the United States with nothing, you have to have a certain amount of belief in your own agency. You have the ability. You're the kind of person that thinks I'm going to happen to America as opposed to people that stay where they are and are, you know, bummed out about their circumstances. They, if you, if you stay in a bad circumstance, there's a part of you that feels like, like the world happens to me. And this is. I. It's described as believing that you have agency or believing that you don't have agency. If you're the kind of person that constantly thinks this bad thing happened to me, this bad thing happened to me, this bad thing happened to me, that's someone that believes that the world happens to them. If you're the kind of person that says, well, I'm going to do this, this bad thing happened, so I'm going to do this, so I'm going to do that. I'm going to do. You believe you have agency? You believe that your actions impact the world? World.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Carter]

As opposed to believing that the world impacts you. So if you're going to get on a boat and come all the way over to the United States, you know, when it was hard, like really hard, it wasn't just get on an airplane. When it was really hard, you generally had the idea of, I happen to the world, I'm going to make something happen, I'm going to do this. And that's the kind of people that the United States has historically attracted.

[Jason Ellis]

Give me both. Like, I definitely had that mindset. I came here to be the best pro skateboarder in the world and I was pretty sure that was going to happen. And then when I saw Tony hawkskate. I was like, oh. And he took that away from me when I was like, the world is against me because world made Tony Hawk

[Phil Carter]

son of a bitch.

[Jason Ellis]

And you can't beat that guy. It ruined my whole plan. I was like, a second will do.

[Tim Pool]

Check this out. This is from DallasFed.org it says, a back of the envelope calculation suggests that unauthorized immigrant worker flows can explain about 30% of the total growth in house prices and 20% of total growth in rents over the boom period for the average local market.

[Jason Ellis]

So.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah, and you were talking about, you know, you were alluding to Social Security as well, or what kind of cost it is. The biggest driver of our debt is Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Right. And Social Security doesn't just. It does cover people that, you know, retire, but it also covers a boatload of other services.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just. I just want to make sure I clarify because it mentioned the boom period. Did state. It said uiwf, which is an acronym for Unauthorized Immigrant Worker Flows. And the boom period is defined as early 2021 to early 2024, which is Joe Biden's.

[Phil Carter]

Joe. Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

That's.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Carter]

So four years, bro.

[Tim Pool]

Let me show you. I'm gonna show you a video. It's gonna blow your mind. I'm gonna show you a video. Keep talking to the point that.

[Phil Carter]

Hold on.

[Alex Stein]

California. Because it was so crazy.

[Jason Ellis]

I didn't move because I have any of that.

[Alex Stein]

But the prices are.

[Jason Ellis]

Can you not tell that I don't know or watch what any of you guys talk about? Right. There's Alex more focused.

[Alex Stein]

I do.

[Jason Ellis]

I do stay in the conversation. I don't listen to any of it because I'm. My opinion is both sides will sorry if your mother for the money. Like, they don't care about you. So I'm going to make the most of your life.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to ask that no one in this room say anything and just let Jason watch this video with no comment.

[Jason Ellis]

Wait, did that tractor open that. Is that what that's doing?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jason Ellis]

See, these are all Mexicans, right?

[Tim Pool]

No. So. So here. So now let me explain to you what this is. Texas laid concertina wire and put up fences to protect the border. Yeah. Joe Biden ordered the. The. Ordered the dhs, cbp, and ICE to send a forklift to break through the fence, lift up the wire, and allow illegal immigrants to enter the country in violation of our laws.

[Jason Ellis]

I don't believe you.

[Tim Pool]

It's true.

[Alex Stein]

Look at the family at the bottom.

[Jason Ellis]

You don't believe it.

[Tim Pool]

I'm glad you're saying that, though, because it's so shocking, people don't believe it.

[Phil Carter]

It went to the Supreme Court, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Carter]

Wait, it went to our Supreme Court.

[Jason Ellis]

Open the fence with a tractor.

[Alex Stein]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Carter]

Because. Because Texas said your responsibility. Federal government.

[Tim Pool]

Here you go.

[Phil Carter]

And the border.

[Tim Pool]

From the American Immigration Council by administration can remove Texas razor wire. Bear at the border. Supreme Court rules. So the Texas State Guard was trying to keep illegal immigrants out. And the Biden administration illegally, in violation of our laws, as the executive sent. Sent forklifts to lift up the razor wire to allow them to enter our country.

[Jason Ellis]

What would be the purpose of that?

[Tim Pool]

So.

[Alex Stein]

So in our elections.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, no, wait. No, I'm gonna give you the real answer.

[Alex Stein]

Mitcher Pratt.

[Jason Ellis]

Those guys are gonna vote.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Alex Stein]

Well, they can get.

[Tim Pool]

Let me give you the real answer. I'll give you the real answer.

[Jason Ellis]

I want the real answer.

[Tim Pool]

There's two. The first is that our population is not growing. And so in order to maintain a welfare system like Social Security, you need to increase the labor market. The Democrats solution to this was to bring in 10 to 20 million illegal immigrants so that we have a massive new tax base. The second issue is that these people were then shuttled by the Biden administration via plane and bus into urban centers so that in the census. In. In the upcoming census, in 2020, late 20. 20, 2021. I'm sorry, this is. This is going to be 2030. You have people who cannot vote, but count towards the electoral college in Congress. So I don't understand. Okay, can I explain? New Jersey in a city like Austin, he's fud. Well, I just. I'm trying to explain something very serious, and you guys are derailing.

[Jason Ellis]

Okay, go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

775,000 people will constitute one congressional seat. It doesn't matter if those people vote or not. The census tracks how many people live in various areas and then draws a congressional district. For every congressional district and Senate seat, you get one electoral college vote for the president. So these individuals don't vote. But it doesn't matter. Tim, they just found.

[Alex Stein]

No, but they just found 6,600 in New Jersey.

[Jason Ellis]

Dude, he's close to solving.

[Tim Pool]

I'm literally explaining that someone has never heard it before. And you're derailing.

[Alex Stein]

Saying that illegal immigrants don't vote. You're saying illegal immigrants don't vote. They do vote.

[Jason Ellis]

I've hit my head so many times, Alex. I won't.

[Tim Pool]

This is why. You know. You know what? I'm so mad about what you're doing. This is why you can't explain to liberals what's really going on because you jump in, derail the conversation in the middle of the most important part.

[Alex Stein]

You said illegal immigrants don't vote in New Jersey. They just got caught giving ballots to now.

[Tim Pool]

That's why we can't have let him get Tim. No, listen, Alex, first of all, I'm getting to that point and I need to explain the basics of illegal immigration to someone who's never heard it before. You are then derailing when a point I said is the 10 million people are not voting.

[Alex Stein]

Okay?

[Tim Pool]

6,600 were right here to vote. We're not there yet.

[Alex Stein]

Okay, well, they said it's more than 6,600.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, 35,000. But again, the point is this.

[Jason Ellis]

I'm going to choke you out.

[Tim Pool]

When conservatives do this all the time. A liberal says, I don't believe you. And then a conservative starts screaming on January 6th, this. And then you're like, guy, this person's never heard that Joe Biden opened the border and you're jumping into Supreme Court MCV glitches. You are jumping the gun so far

[Alex Stein]

into the conversation, you literally said, illegal immigrants can't vote.

[Tim Pool]

And we didn't. No, I didn't. But if you would shut up for two seconds, I said, these people coming in don't vote. And the important thing for people to

[Alex Stein]

understand, New Jersey, right?

[Tim Pool]

This is why conservatives lose. Because when you go into the records, you will find we found 400 illegal immigrants who voted 400. There's estimates of more, but it is not what is. What is meaningful to how they are destroying the political system in this country. And conservatives are first. Too many of them are first order thinkers who are. This is what happens. Donald Trump comes out and goes, illegal immigrants are voting. And then they go prove it. And you can't, because what they're really doing is. And see, Alex doesn't understand this. And this is why we lose. This is why we lose. You take 10 million people, you are going to create about seven to eight congressional seats. It doesn't matter if they vote or not. You have created seven or eight congressional seats that a Democrat will win from the American vote votes.

[Ian Crossland]

Let me explain that member of Congress because of a census.

[Tim Pool]

This is all because you just stop.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, let me augment what you're saying as you're going.

[Tim Pool]

You just stop so I can finish what I'm saying.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel like we could finish it quicker together, but go, please.

[Tim Pool]

Right. I've already explained congressional apportionment and y' all okay, we drop congressional seats. We have 435 and then we have 100 Senate seats. Senate is determined by. Every state gets two. That's done no matter what. What. But if we put 300,000 illegal immigrants in Austin and then spread them out between three congressional districts, we guarantee three more Democrats in Congress.

[Jason Ellis]

They, they, they're without voting there automatically. The vote is for Democrat.

[Tim Pool]

So here's how it works.

[Jason Ellis]

If you, how does it go? Democrat or Republic?

[Tim Pool]

Let's say you have 400,000 Democrats.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

A congressional district is going to be 775,000 people. If we put in 300,000 non citizens who cannot vote and we draw the district around them, you only need a small portion of Democrats to guarantee a Democrat seat because the illegal immigrants can't vote. Get it?

[Jason Ellis]

How the fuck does that work?

[Tim Pool]

So let's say you have 775,000Americans and it's 50, 50 Democrat, Republican. It's a tough race. So let's say we then take 100,000 illegal immigrants, put them next in this area, and then say, oh, we have 100,000 extra people. We then draw the congressional district to cut out the hundred thousand Republicans. You now have 40%, 40, 35% Republican, 45% Democrat and 100,000 non voters. You have just created a Democrat district by doing so. This is what they're doing with illegal immigration in major cities, so that in Texas, you get more. Now, here's the crazy part. We don't choose our president by popular vote. We choose them by electoral college. So if California is getting extra congressional seats because they have illegal immigrants being counted in the census, California gets extra votes for the President. Indeed. Now, Alex's point, New Jersey just found 35,000 non citizens registered to vote, and they found 400 of them voting voted. The reason why. And I apologize for getting mad. I apologize to everybody.

[Alex Stein]

It's okay.

[Tim Pool]

The reason why I get mad is you jumped over the real issue, which is 20 million people in this country are giving Democrats an estimated 10 to 20 extra congressional seats. And that means when our Congress votes on a law, Democrats are overrepresented by allowing illegal immigrants into the country.

[Alex Stein]

I agree. That's a bigger problem, tim, than necessarily 6,000, you know, illegal immigrants voting. But I'm just saying somehow they do find loopholes to illegally vote.

[Tim Pool]

And they do. But it's not the real issue. The real issue is that. I'm just saying, if we, Trump tried to make it so the census had a question on it. Are you a US Citizen? And he got Blocked by lawsuits. If we were to remove every illegal immigrant from the census, Republicans would have like a 30 seat majority and Republicans would win every election. Every law would be passed by Republicans. Democrats basically would be a non existent party.

[Jason Ellis]

And they said it happened after happening right now?

[Tim Pool]

Well they said, they said almost 50,

[Alex Stein]

50 and this all happened.

[Jason Ellis]

The Republicans are in charge.

[Tim Pool]

The Republicans control the Senate by like by, by a tiebreaker vote essentially, which is the vice president. So they can't because they need 60 votes to put things through.

[Jason Ellis]

Oh, but it goes the other way then they just stop each other. That's the whole point.

[Alex Stein]

Not really.

[Tim Pool]

The whole point would be if we didn't have illegal immigrants, the political parties would be a moderate Democrat party and a moderate Republican party.

[Alex Stein]

But I don't know if that's true because you know when they started this whole immigration thing was after Ronald Reagan won 49 out of 50 states. That's when they started to push.

[Tim Pool]

California was a Republican state until they granted mass amnesty to illegal immigrants. And it functionally alt. So California is interesting as a state. What happened was bunch of illegal immigrants are brought in. Those illegal immigrants have kids. Those kids are American citizens. The state in the late 80s, early 90s said we are no longer going to allow illegal immigrants to get access to public welfare. The illegal immigrants children revolted and voted to give welfare to non citizens. So this is the problem with mass migration. All of these people we see coming in illegally, they're going, they can't vote, but what they can do is take US dollars and send them back to other countries, stripping the economy. They can take jobs that were Normally taken by 16, 17 and 18 year olds and they're going to pad Democrat districts, creating more districts specifically for Democrats.

[Jason Ellis]

What about the argument of people will not do the jobs they do?

[Tim Pool]

This is not fabricated completely.

[Jason Ellis]

You would have to pay us more than what they would get and would do anything.

[Tim Pool]

It's completely fabricated. It's a fact.

[Jason Ellis]

Bunch of 16, 18 year olds will

[Tim Pool]

pick fruit and yes, it's a fact

[Jason Ellis]

that they will same amount of money

[Tim Pool]

when, when Donald Y. Because they get. I'm not. No, no, no, listen, asking, you know that it's $20 an hour. So you go to a six, you go to a 16 year old, say you want 20 bucks an hour to pick strawberries and say yes, when in Donald Trump's first term they raided a bunch of meat processing plants in southern states. They mass deported in like one weekend 800 illegal immigrants and the very next day lines were out the door from Locals trying to get jobs, the meat processing plants.

[Jason Ellis]

Oh, shit.

[Tim Pool]

The reason. And for the same wages. And a reporter interviewed one of the guys. It's like a white redneck looking dude. And they're like, why would you want to work at this job? This is a job Americans don't want. And he goes, I work at a gas station. This pays more. So what's happening is you want to know why they want to bring these illegal workers in? The political reason is to create more. To put in more workers to our bigger tax base, to create more Democrat districts. But more importantly, a lot of these companies, you know what they'll do? They bring in illegal immigrants. Immigrant. Tell them we're going to pay you $2,000 at the end of the month. And then the day before the month ends, they call ICE and have them deported and pay them nothing.

[Alex Stein]

Which I. That's how I got my freaking kitchen fixed. I just had a bunch of ICE agents arrest all the Somalians.

[Tim Pool]

So here's what frustrates me. Here's what frustrates me. Trump. Trump comes out and says there's millions of illegal immigrants voting and there aren't. And then conservatives say things like, Soros is paying protesters. He's not.

[Ian Crossland]

Not.

[Tim Pool]

These things are.

[Alex Stein]

Protesters are organized and paid.

[Tim Pool]

They are not through Facebook groups.

[Alex Stein]

Tim, I go to these protests.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, see, this is what I'm talking about.

[Alex Stein]

We could argue this all day long.

[Tim Pool]

You are wrong.

[Alex Stein]

Not every single protester I know 100 bucks. But they exactly organize in paid.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't say that. So you're changing the subject now.

[Alex Stein]

So you don't think these protesters.

[Tim Pool]

Protesters are not paid.

[Alex Stein]

Okay, so, Tim, now we're arguing semantics. The people that organize the protests are being paid.

[Tim Pool]

This is why you can't effectively communicate with moderates.

[Alex Stein]

But would you agree this is why conservatives all the time organizing protests on the Facebook groups that I see to

[Jason Ellis]

stop watching this show. Pretty fun.

[Alex Stein]

They are getting paid. Those people are getting all the time.

[Tim Pool]

And that's why I said protesters are not getting paid.

[Alex Stein]

Well, some of them are.

[Tim Pool]

The organizers are not protesters because they don't go out and get arrested. They stand back, put out flyers, trick people into coming down who don't get paid. And this is what conservatives do. They go to a group of liberals and say protests are getting paid. And then they all go, where's my Soros check? Because they're not getting paid paid. There are organizers that work for nonprofits that have salaries for those nonprofits who go to universities and flyer to create protests. And don't go to them. They make them happen. They rally them. And they are not the ones that are on the ground leading these protest marches.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I'm just saying they're inorganically encouraged protests.

[Tim Pool]

So when you go to a liberal holding a sign at a protest who was tricked into being there, and then on Fox News, Hannity goes, they're being paid by Soros, you immediately have isolated yourself from them. This is what Hannity did during Occupy Wall street. And this is the. I told Steve Bannon this. Andrew Breitbart was at the CPAC and there's a famous video where he's standing out screaming at the protest. You're all a bunch of animals. You're a bunch of animals. Went massively viral and it rallied Occupy protesters against conservatives. It is the utmost of ignorance and stupidity that these conservatives did. And I have to wonder if they're deep state when they do do if the intention is to make sure moderates can never get access to the truth. Because when you go to them and say illegal immigrants are voting, they say, no, they're not, and you can't prove it. So when I say Joe Biden got forklifts to lift up concertina wire to allow millions of illegal immigrants for a specific purpose, and you cut me off to change the subject, that is frustrating.

[Alex Stein]

I think people can walk and chew gum at the same time. So I think people could think two things.

[Tim Pool]

At point one, I was at Occupy Wall street and do you know what everyone said after Hannity had on these people saying they're paid by Soros? Every single protester started laughing and mocking Fox News because nobody was getting paid. And thus the conservatives who were there at Occupy on the first weekend who were holding up American flags, left. And then Mitt Romney comes out and says, we are the 47% of people who actually pay taxes, creating the 47% movement. And all of a sudden, what was once a large protest that had libertarians, conservatives and liberals together was literally just leftists. That's it. The first weekend, second weekend of Occupy, an elderly couple brought a couch, put it down, put an American flag behind them, and they said that they were Republicans and conservatives that were angry that Barack Obama bailed out the big banks. They bail out the automotive industry, but they don't bail out the Americans. Conservatives sitting with liberals and hippies and libertarians. Luk Radkowski was the there anarchist.

[Ian Crossland]

I was there.

[Tim Pool]

Ian was there. All different sorts. Sean Hannity goes on TV and says there are a bunch of wackaloon lefties Paid by Soros. All the conservatives left.

[Alex Stein]

Well, I think that. I mean, obviously that's like propaganda. And people fell.

[Tim Pool]

A video, a photo emerged of a guy taking a dump on a squad car. Hannity shows that photo and says, look at these disgusting people.

[Alex Stein]

I don't want to be associated with that as a reporter.

[Tim Pool]

And everyone left.

[Alex Stein]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And so there I was trying to be like. Like, no, no, we all agree they stole public tax money to bail out banks and corporations for themselves. Didn't matter anymore. The conservatives all left because of the Soros argument. And the truth is there were individuals working there who were paid from nonprofits that had received funding from Open Society, and their intention was to kick out the conservatives and foment leftism.

[Alex Stein]

Well, isn't that the real conspiracy? At the end of the day, Tim, he's like, there's culture war issues that we will never agree on, that will always be split on. But I would agree that. That I would argue. Excuse me. That most of us are in the middle somewhere and that they don't want us to come together. They want us fighting each other over George Floyd or.

[Tim Pool]

That's why. This is why when I show this video, I asked no one say anything. I wanted Jason, who's never seen this stuff, just to see this video. And then when we said the Biden administration, the executive branch, deployed that forklift to raise it up, he said, I don't believe you. And that's exactly what I was hoping the reaction to be be so that I could then show that this literally was the Biden administration being authorized under the Supreme Court to tear down our barriers and allow people to illegally enter the country. When I go and talk to regular people about this stuff, they say the same thing Jason does. That's. You're lying. That can't be possible. There's no way law enforcement would do it. Yeah, they lie about everything Elizabeth Warren says. But. But again, when people say things about me to you, they are lying. And this is why if you go to. If the American people knew that Joe Biden did this en masse, if a broadcast went out to 100% of Americans that showed this video and said this is what they were doing, you'd have a Republican revolution overnight. Americans would be like, this is insane. How. What if these people.

[Jason Ellis]

One part where nobody wants to, even if it's true, if you're on that side, not everybody, but a huge part is they're just gonna go with it to win their argument. You know, if it's one. One side or the Other this video that comes out tomorrow and goes this is what they're doing right now. The side that's on his side is like I said, I find that very difficult to believe. Maybe somebody told you that. But I find that video, whatever they told you about that video is incorrect information because why would a president let all the illegal people in. What was the point in the comments?

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you in the first place, let me ask you a question. Question. Do you. If I told you that Joe Biden was trafficking children on planes in the middle of the night, would you believe me?

[Jason Ellis]

Not at all.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's pull it up.

[Jason Ellis]

Okay. Because here's a thing where this is going to. This is a big one because this is a My best friend in skateboarding. The last time I spoke to him and this was over five years ago we have not spoken. We had a conversation and he his NBC trustworthy said that and I started laughing at it him and he said I could send you proof. And I said I bet you could but it doesn't make it real. And he was like I don't have time for you anymore, dude. And I was like okay, bye. And we've never spoken. Is that I remember thinking he really lost it on the whole news thing. You know, I mean like why would a president approve of and you're about to show me something.

[Alex Stein]

Read it and what do you mean read it? You're describing ignorance.

[Tim Pool]

Definition of it is NBC News NBC New York is a good. Is a good enough source.

[Jason Ellis]

This was on the news.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, sir. Here's More than 2,000 migrant children have been flown to New York since June landing at Westchester County Airport and White Plains. As many in the area say the Biden administration has failed to answer questions regarding what is going to happen to them next. Two senior U.S. officials confirmed the flights to New York area have increased as the number of migrants minors in many cases coming to the country's southern border. I'll pull it more for you. I'll pull up more for you. It's so crazy that they Marshall Blackburn was furious.

[Jason Ellis]

How do you know they were the

[Phil Carter]

ICE agents And there's a.

[Tim Pool]

There are leaked videos but this is

[Jason Ellis]

all videos of what?

[Tim Pool]

Of the airplanes landing and kids being shuffled off and people off where off of the airplanes to where documentary about they were being trafficked.

[Jason Ellis]

But if you don't know where unaccompanied

[Tim Pool]

minors being in Westchester, New York sounds

[Jason Ellis]

like you're saying for sex

[Tim Pool]

trafficking doesn't mean sex of chill of children trafficking means labor.

[Jason Ellis]

Right. But why kids? What do they, what work?

[Tim Pool]

It's a good question. I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

They can't speak about it.

[Tim Pool]

The problem is when we point this out, it's on NBC and demand investigations, the left comes out and says you're white supremacists, you're lying and blocks the investigations.

[Jason Ellis]

Is this the same to have these children smuggled in? Is this for the same plan of having them move somewhere where they get

[Tim Pool]

that vote thing for the minors? This is likely related to padding the, padding the labor numbers for Social Security. We don't have enough kids. Our birth rate is like 1.3 or 1.4. So Gen Alpha is about 42 million people. Gen Z and millennials are about 70 to 80 million. This means the coming workforce is half the size of what it needs to be. Marsha Blackburn published this on her.gov website. Blackburn, Hagerty Fleischman speak out against Biden and measure trafficking migrant children to Tennessee. This was a major scandal where in the middle of the night the Biden administration was trafficking kids illegally. Like this is seditious. This is a, it's, it's horrifying. It's terrifying what they were doing. You can't do anything about it because just for liberals will lie and then no one believes you.

[Phil Carter]

Just for context, like senators, because there's only 100 of them and they consider themselves the upper house of our Congress. There's the Senate and the House of Representatives. The senators are, are very slow to act. They have a longer term, six years. They're kind of hoity toity smelling their own farts. They think they're above things so they don't get involved in stuff that's going to sully them or make them look bad. So the fact that a senator or that multiple senators have spoken out about this, that means that there's, that means there's a lot of substance to the accusations. People in the House, because there's only two, they only have the House of Representatives, there's 435 of them. They only have two year terms. So that's where you kind of get the most clowns in our, in our, our, our government. The senators are generally not unserious, clowny people. So when the senators actually say hey, this actually matters, people tend to pay more attention.

[Tim Pool]

Dude, it was, it was, it's, it's, it's horrifying what was going on. I mean, and this is just one example. It got to the point. And I'll tell you this people, you know, I debate these Progressives and they'll be like, I bring up civil war, the potential for civil war. During this period, Texas deployed its armed state guard with rifles against the federal government because of what they were doing doing. And we were sitting here be like holy. And then Texas even I think it was Texas deployed state guard to, to various states. We started seeing actual state organized armament against federal government with something like this. The terrifying thing about it is if the Texas State Guard decided we are not going to allow the Biden administration regardless of the Supreme Court to tear down our border barriers and you get dangerously close to armed state. These are military guys walking up to a DHS guy putting their hands up and saying back off and get away from the border. The DHS guy saying we have, we have authority on our side. They draw their guns. You back off. That's how dangerously close to a shootout between the federal government, the states. We were in 2021.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah, cooler heads prevailed obviously. But the point is these, these, these policies that the federal government, when it was the Joe Biden administration about immigration, they were having an oversized impact on states like Texas, Arizona, the ones that are on the border. And so when Texas is like don't do this. We have to, we're gonna stop this because it's having an outside effect on us. And the federal government says you're not allowed. The border is our jurisdiction according to the Constitution. And Texas is like, well then actually do your job.

[Tim Pool]

In Arizona they created a double barrier of shipping containers to secure the border. Because of the mass illegal immigration millions of people. The United States government under Biden filed a lawsuit against Arizona arguing immigration is the purview of the executive branch and the states have no authority to enforce it. And the courts agreed. Under the premise that the federal government would protect our borders. Arizona was not allowed to put up border barriers and had to remove them them. And then what did the executive government do? Let millions of people come in anyway.

[Jason Ellis]

Okay, so what you're telling me because this is the first time I've ever paid attention is that America is a republican country and the libtards are using illegals to come in here to get a vote to make it. Because it's pretty close. It's like 50 50. But what re what is really happening in this country is the real Americans want Republicans to stay in office. That's the end. Libtards would never win again if it wasn't for illegal immigrants.

[Tim Pool]

It's just. So that's.

[Jason Ellis]

Well on one level, how's it possibly true?

[Tim Pool]

Is it 40 it's not absolute.

[Ian Crossland]

Underneath the bankers, it's like 40, though.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They would win at localities, they would have minority representation, but they would never control the seats of government.

[Jason Ellis]

Let me ask you this. Are you happy with what's going on?

[Tim Pool]

But let me, let me, let me clarify one point.

[Jason Ellis]

Point.

[Tim Pool]

The real thing that would happen is that the Democratic Party would moderate to meet the Americans where they are, and we would have two political parties.

[Jason Ellis]

Right. But do you think that the Republican Party right now have done stuff that is not obviously not the same because it doesn't work to have illegal immigrants for them? Because. But is there things that they do that we don't know about that? If we knew, we would.

[Tim Pool]

Of course.

[Alex Stein]

Well, Trump's actually deported less people than Barack Obama.

[Tim Pool]

Obama had more turnarounds.

[Ian Crossland]

I think these flock cameras are pretty insane.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. We're not changing the subject, bro.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, he's asking about what republic, what's happening.

[Tim Pool]

Republicans are not doing a totally different subject.

[Ian Crossland]

Where's the president?

[Tim Pool]

Are there things you've seen the Republicans do that you want to bring up?

[Jason Ellis]

Like, what's that?

[Tim Pool]

Are there things the Republican Republicans have done that you think are bad as well?

[Jason Ellis]

Well, did you look at, you know. Yes. Okay. Data center? Because I'm in Utah, so I see all these people that really don't want that. And I know that we have a water shortage. I've only been living there for six months, but everybody says that. I've seen the lakes go down and all that kind of stuff. So it doesn't seem like we would really want that. It seems like Utah doesn't want that. But you're making it happen. It's going to happen.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think. I don't. So Trump put a bunch of money through Quantum Leap, but this is a, this is a corporate capitalist thing. The Democrats aren't stopping it either.

[Alex Stein]

And the argument is that if we don't build the data centers, China will have all of them. But I still don't.

[Tim Pool]

But if I move.

[Jason Ellis]

He was saying, like, if you. I don't. I didn't move here to start a mini Australia, you know, where I just had only Australians and we ate Vegemite all day and you weren't allowed in.

[Tim Pool]

That'd be kind of fun.

[Jason Ellis]

That was not my plan. You would actually like it, but you wouldn't like Vegemite. But I don't. I don't. I moved here. I'm American. You know, like, some Australian people might not like me saying that, but I have two children here. I love this country, this country gave me a fantasy life. You know, like in, in Australia. Could you be a professional skateboarder in and be 50? No, you could not. And, and I got into fighting. So now I'm a pro fighter and I train with Dan Henderson who was like, you know, a champion, world champion. Is he in Australia? No, he's not. All the things I like are here and if this is what you guys are doing, then that's what I'm doing. And if it's not something I want to do, I'll go back where I came from. It's like all the people that say that when it sounds the right it sounds like you're being racist. But if I don't like it, we've

[Tim Pool]

got a double edged sword with the Democratic Party. Encourages abortion and then we get a population shortage so they open the borders to millions of non Americans.

[Jason Ellis]

Encourages abortion.

[Alex Stein]

Yes, that's what I was telling you.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's roll baby.

[Jason Ellis]

Because I feel like I'm just going to make every. I can tell this table. I think if a vagina then it's your call.

[Alex Stein]

What if the baby has a vagina?

[Jason Ellis]

It's your. It's the.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, listen brother. This is what people need to understand is that I am, I am not a conservative. I am just telling you what is. Yeah but liberals live in a fantasy

[Jason Ellis]

reality where both sides do.

[Tim Pool]

That's not. Not correct.

[Jason Ellis]

Republicans have said stuff to me where

[Tim Pool]

I'm like dude, certainly, certainly like you're

[Jason Ellis]

making me want to be a libtard

[Tim Pool]

by how I'm talking about what is not what should be. So when I say Michelle Wolf on Netflix said get an abortion and they encourage women to do it.

[Jason Ellis]

She's joking.

[Tim Pool]

No, she's not.

[Jason Ellis]

You mean she's a comedian.

[Tim Pool]

This was the joke is that Republicans want to ban it. She comes out and listen when they're saying you get an abortion and you get an abortion. If I told you Michelle Wolf joking.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, but called the March Twain Award they give to the best political although

[Tim Pool]

it's critical satire has said it could be catastrophic for. Well, they cancel their show anyway because it's almost certain they cancel. That was a long time ago. Oh okay.

[Jason Ellis]

Look, I. I've seen her. She's Jason, she's a political.

[Tim Pool]

In Colorado. In Colorado it is legal to get an abortion as the baby is being born.

[Jason Ellis]

Shut up, dude.

[Phil Carter]

Nine months.

[Jason Ellis]

You can marry a 15 year old in some states too. But you're not. I don't think nobody's killing a you saying and Then. Nah, no one's ever done that.

[Alex Stein]

What do you mean that happened?

[Jason Ellis]

That has happened.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, it has. Reality, dude.

[Alex Stein]

And Planned Parenthood's been caught with baby body parts because they can sell them. Actually, as a matter of fact, that sounds they.

[Jason Ellis]

They literally baby leg, like sell it.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. What are research. Are you getting? Stem cells from a baby are very

[Jason Ellis]

valuable from the umbilical cord.

[Alex Stein]

I'm saying you don't think that baby parts. No, I'm talking about. I know. That's why I'm the one that brought up sim cells. Because they can use baby parts and

[Jason Ellis]

study leg to make.

[Alex Stein]

How are you going to study a baby without it being dead?

[Jason Ellis]

I'm saying a baby.

[Phil Carter]

Yes.

[Alex Stein]

Have you never heard of science? Yes, they use. They do science on babies. They use dead babies to do science on. Believe it or not, Jason.

[Phil Carter]

Well, it's dead because it was.

[Alex Stein]

Because they want to use it for science. Dude, what are you doing?

[Jason Ellis]

So you could do research on it?

[Alex Stein]

There are babies that have been aborted. That has happened, Jason. Just because you want to be ignorant to it that has happened, you're being ignorant to a Planned Parenthood.

[Jason Ellis]

I don't care.

[Alex Stein]

Planned Parenthood has been caught with baby body parts.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you're trying to act like, oh, that doesn't happen. Nobody would ever report a baby.

[Jason Ellis]

Somebody had a baby baby. When it came out, they killed the baby.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. So what they do is.

[Jason Ellis]

That's the thing that happens.

[Tim Pool]

The woman goes into labor. The woman goes into labor.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And as the baby crowns, they take a tool that cuts the spinal column, killing it, and then vacuum out the remaining parts.

[Jason Ellis]

Who does that?

[Phil Carter]

The abortion doctor?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jason Ellis]

Why wouldn't. Wait, somebody. Wait. Somebody wanted a abortion as they were having the baby. They kept it for nine months.

[Tim Pool]

So if a woman was going to

[Jason Ellis]

come out, they were like, actually, I've changed my mind.

[Phil Carter]

Yes.

[Jason Ellis]

I don't believe you.

[Tim Pool]

This is. This is. This is why we have the shocking.

[Phil Carter]

I understand.

[Jason Ellis]

I don't believe you.

[Tim Pool]

I'll pull for you.

[Jason Ellis]

A mother I've been for nine months probably bought for us.

[Phil Carter]

So she.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Phil Carter]

Well, she never thought of herself as a mother, which is why.

[Jason Ellis]

Why would you carry it?

[Phil Carter]

I can't answer that question for you, but it doesn't change.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I'm going to pull the Nancy Tran.

[Jason Ellis]

I'm going need to see a video of some.

[Phil Carter]

We can't show that video on. On. In fact, it's hard to to. It's hard to find.

[Jason Ellis]

It's like kids dressed as cats shitting

[Phil Carter]

in Kitty litters, Jason. It's hard to find.

[Jason Ellis]

They don't do. But no kid dressed here in New York saying women you don't know.

[Tim Pool]

They're talking. You ready furries? You ready? Oh my God.

[Phil Carter]

Trimester could have this website.

[Jason Ellis]

Yes, I've seen this.

[Tim Pool]

You've seen this?

[Alex Stein]

Yes.

[Jason Ellis]

They'll say that that is the law.

[Phil Carter]

How late in the third trimester could

[Jason Ellis]

a fellow physician perform an abortion if

[Phil Carter]

he indicated it would impair the mental

[Jason Ellis]

health of the, of the woman? So I mean through the third trimester.

[Tim Pool]

Trimester goes all the way up.

[Jason Ellis]

So that's. But that's not. That's a law. That is agreed. That needs to be adjust.

[Tim Pool]

They lost.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah, but, but I'm saying, did anyone do that?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, they do it all the time.

[Jason Ellis]

No, they don't.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, let me ask you this. Do you think that woman getting an

[Jason Ellis]

abortion get an abortion? Why would you wait until it's about to come out count?

[Tim Pool]

Why make it legal?

[Ian Crossland]

Wait, what?

[Jason Ellis]

I agree. But you're doing this.

[Tim Pool]

No, I agree.

[Jason Ellis]

I think it's a preposterous thing to make.

[Tim Pool]

My question following it is, my question

[Jason Ellis]

is no one would, no woman would ever do that. It's just like a dumb print that they need. The fact that the argument stays is insane. They could have gone, oh, oh, it says that. Oh, we're going to change that because obviously you wouldn't. It's like when they're find out you got a woman.

[Alex Stein]

What about a woman that carries her baby for nine months and sells it to two gay guys?

[Jason Ellis]

What's going with that?

[Tim Pool]

Okay, come on, come on.

[Alex Stein]

I'm saying surrogacy. I mean that's, I'm saying.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, can we talk about it?

[Jason Ellis]

Can't imagine a woman killing another. Another.

[Alex Stein]

You can't imagine killing a kid. You would definitely sell it to two gay guys. Come on.

[Jason Ellis]

What's wrong with giving it to two gay guys?

[Alex Stein]

Well, I'm just saying you think that it's impossible that a woman would want to have an abortion, a late term abortion. But you don't, you don't think it's crazy that a woman would have a baby, carry it for nine months, even maybe by itself and then sell it to two guys.

[Jason Ellis]

Wait, you're arguing that, that.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, I don't think gay guys to

[Jason Ellis]

give your baby to two gay people as to murder it as it's coming out of your vagina.

[Alex Stein]

They're very similar. Yeah.

[Phil Carter]

Jason. Jason. There was a, there was a Jason.

[Jason Ellis]

That's good.

[Alex Stein]

Okay, you can laugh, but they're similar.

[Jason Ellis]

Jason, you don't.

[Ian Crossland]

You don't.

[Alex Stein]

Either way, you're never.

[Jason Ellis]

You don't approve of gay people either way with children.

[Alex Stein]

I don't think people should be able to buy babies like they're donuts. No, you should be able to adopt. But I'm saying, if their surrogacy is.

[Jason Ellis]

Why did the gay become out?

[Alex Stein]

Listen, Jason, because I know that you're gay, so you're gonna like get all butthurt, but you're bisexual or whatever.

[Jason Ellis]

I could make you gay right now.

[Alex Stein]

What I'm saying is this is.

[Tim Pool]

This is.

[Alex Stein]

You think it's so crazy and so shocking that a woman would have a late term abortion. I'm saying there's even just as much shocking things happening where women will carry the baby and have it and just give it to two people, never see the baby again. So I don't know what the difference between killing the baby and giving it

[Jason Ellis]

and murdering it as it's coming out, selling the baby.

[Ian Crossland]

I want an example. Give me one example.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, give me one example and then I. Can we. Can we pause and.

[Alex Stein]

They get paid to be.

[Tim Pool]

Alex, can we pause real quick? I have a question. Should it be illegal across the board for late term abortion? I don't.

[Jason Ellis]

I don't get an abortion.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. Should it be illegal across the board? Just in the United States and every state, late term abortions should be illegal. Do you agree?

[Jason Ellis]

What does late term mean?

[Tim Pool]

Like the six months and beyond?

[Jason Ellis]

Fuck it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, all. It doesn't matter if you believe us that it's happening. Just matters that when you go to vote, you say, I don't think it's happening, but we shouldn't let it happen anyway.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, this here says a woman's 36 weeks pregnant develops pregnancy complications. And in those.

[Jason Ellis]

Oh, well, that's different. That's. Okay. That didn't. Okay, I mean, if you have a healthy baby, but if you have a baby there, it's gonna. Might kill you then that's what a

[Ian Crossland]

lot of these arguments are for.

[Jason Ellis]

The fuck are we arguing about, Jason? It's gonna kill the lady. So she has to get a late term abortion. Motion to stay alive.

[Phil Carter]

Jason.

[Jason Ellis]

There's only. It's her life, Jason. And that's her baby, Jason.

[Phil Carter]

So I. This, this may sound a little bit like a right term, but it's making

[Jason Ellis]

it out like these women are getting off on it.

[Phil Carter]

No, but.

[Jason Ellis]

No, this is the worst thing.

[Phil Carter]

Literally.

[Alex Stein]

Tick tock videos, Jason, of women celebrating their abortions. There's going to have.

[Ian Crossland]

Listen, I have.

[Alex Stein]

I'm Ted. I have.

[Phil Carter]

I have. I have a. There's a thought experiment that I want to do here just for one second. Right. And just to just stay with me because it sounds. It'll sound a little bit like a right term, but it's not.

[Jason Ellis]

Not.

[Phil Carter]

There was a time where the idea of. Of thousands of people being killed by their doctor intentionally, with their own. With that individual's approval seemed ridiculous. But the third leading cause of death in Canada is their Medical Assistance in Dying program. They kill people for. For mental illness, for depression and et cetera. And the point that I'm making. Right.

[Jason Ellis]

Right.

[Phil Carter]

Is it sounds. It sounds fantastical. It sounds like it's unreal to say that the third leading cause of death in Canada is death by the doctor because the doctor says, well, I'm going to prescribe you death. Essentially, the patient doesn't want it. No, the patient is. Ostensibly, for argument's sake, we'll say the patient does want it. Okay. But the reason is you have depression issues. So basically you have depression issues and we don't think we can fix you or you have chronic pain or what have.

[Ian Crossland]

You.

[Tim Pool]

Have you.

[Phil Carter]

But. But there was a time, and the point that I'm making is there was a time where that seemed ridiculous and people would react and say, there's no way. The Hippocratic oath promised to do no harm. That would never happen. And particularly when the argument for medical assistance in dying was being made, the argument. They would say, well, you're going to get doctors killing people for silly reasons and frivolous reasons. And they were like, people would say, no, that never happens. Never happens.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Phil Carter]

But now in Canada, the third leading cause of death is medical assistance.

[Tim Pool]

This is the cdc.gov it says fewer abortions were performed at 14 to 20 weeks gestation, 6.1. Or at greater than 21 weeks. At 1.1%, that is of tracked abortions at, I believe the number is 613,383. 1.1% were later than five months. 6,000 babies were aborted after five months.

[Jason Ellis]

And that's probably because they were. It was jeopardizing the mother. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they don't. We don't know why, because there's no restrictions. It's elective.

[Jason Ellis]

So you. I don't know. And you don't know and you're leaning towards they want to kill the baby.

[Tim Pool]

I never said that. Okay, so we got to pause.

[Jason Ellis]

My argument is a woman that's doing that, I, I believe that she's got her reasons and they're not. I don't see her as a cold blood or get a boner on killing.

[Tim Pool]

And I've made none of those arguments. I simply said they have legal. Can you. Can we please. I simply said they legalized abortion to the point of birth in Colorado. And I asked you this because I knew you would not believe that they did. It is legal for elective purposes meaning a woman. So anecdotally there's a bunch of arguments that possibly in the dozens this has happened. We don't know for sure. What we do know is we have about 6,000 post five month abortions and that's just the CDC track they haven't even gone to various estimates would put it around 400 per year are eight or nine month abortions.

[Jason Ellis]

It's really sad, you know because in my mind every one of those is. The mother has to make a choice.

[Tim Pool]

Do you know what the cited.

[Jason Ellis]

That is not. They're not celebrating it.

[Tim Pool]

Do you know what the cited reason for 92% of abortions is?

[Jason Ellis]

What?

[Tim Pool]

None.

[Jason Ellis]

What do you mean? No reason.

[Tim Pool]

No reason.

[Jason Ellis]

Because they didn't tell you doesn't mean they didn't ever.

[Tim Pool]

No, they've asserted no reason for the abortion. I am not saying there's anything more about the abortion.

[Jason Ellis]

They don't want to be in a old.

[Tim Pool]

The. The women perhaps I don't know but decided I believe 92% is no reason

[Jason Ellis]

given the boyfriend is a. Is not the one maybe that we

[Tim Pool]

call that abortion as contraception.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah, look, I don't, I don't. Look, is the pill abortion if you're

[Tim Pool]

on the pill, the birth control pill?

[Jason Ellis]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, well some people think it is because it fertilized egg will come out of the body. So it's a baby being flushed down the toilet.

[Jason Ellis]

Look, I've been. I've been there for an abortion. Wasn't good, dude. You know when I was really young, me and my girlfriend went through it and it was. She didn't celebrate it. It was more like we were young and everyone was like you, you if you have that baby, your life will be ruined. Like you're. You're a child. And I was like yeah, you're probably right. But that's her decision and she made the decision.

[Tim Pool]

You know that's my question is just why are they legalizing it?

[Jason Ellis]

What do you mean legalizing it?

[Tim Pool]

So for the longest time it was illegal after like 16 weeks to get an abortion.

[Jason Ellis]

I mean, dude, the only argument and this is I stand by this. If you are going to die or almost die from your pregnancy. And the doctors have. They have. They have stuff now where they can

[Tim Pool]

tell you that, but that's not what we're talking about.

[Jason Ellis]

It used to be you could fucking die. You didn't know until it came out.

[Ian Crossland]

Right, Right.

[Jason Ellis]

But they're like, hey, this baby is. You might make it, you might not.

[Tim Pool]

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about elective abortion.

[Jason Ellis]

What? You got accidentally pregnant. You want to get an abortion?

[Tim Pool]

I'm not. I don't know. Elective means you don't have an underlying medical cause, you just want the baby terminated. The question is, why are they legalizing that into seven, eight, nine months for that?

[Jason Ellis]

My argument.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no. Elective means without a medical reason.

[Jason Ellis]

But they have to say that with a.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no. If a woman has a medical reason, the law does not apply on abortion. Doctor. Doctors can apply medical treatment to save the life of the woman or the child. And if. If the life ends. Right. That's. That's different from abortion. The point I'm bringing up is why are they legalizing the right of a woman to say, I plum. Just don't want the baby, so please terminate it. That's different from, oh, my God, I could die. Please save my life.

[Jason Ellis]

Right. But I. I think we're arguing about the time thing, because I'm like, it is a time, okay?

[Tim Pool]

If the baby can survive outside the womb, they'll kill it.

[Jason Ellis]

You should get. If you want to get an abortion, great.

[Alex Stein]

If.

[Jason Ellis]

But if you find out you're pregnant and you don't want to have a baby and you keep it for six more months, that's your. That's on you. And now you're happy.

[Alex Stein]

I agree.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I agree. Especially at six months, the baby can survive outside of the womb.

[Ian Crossland]

Womb.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

It's a human.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You don't need to kill it.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So kicking. So the issue that I have. I'm. I'm. I'm. I would describe myself as traditional Democrat, pro choice, meaning we probably agree on a lot of these things. The issue is, I sat down with a friend of mine who's a famous comedian in New York, millions of followers. This was, like, in 2019, and he was saying, like, oh, you've become right wing, blah, blah. And I'm like, no, I'm still pro choice. I think, like, for a lot of these issues, it's difficult. The woman's gonna make a decision with her doctor, and it's nothing to do with me. And then he said, well, then, what are you talking about with, like, these. Why are you opposed to the abortion law they're trying to pass? And I pulled up the abortion law, which explicitly stated that they could have abortions late term for any reason. And he goes, I don't believe that. And I'm like, Brother, this is senate.gov. this is from a Democrat where they said they should have. It should be legal, that at nine months you get an abortion. He goes, that's fake. And I'm like, bro, we agree, right? That's all that matters. You tell me right now you think that shouldn't be allowed. And he goes, yeah, of course it shouldn't be allowed. And I said, okay. Well, I read senate.gov on my show and said, this shouldn't be legal. And someone lied to you and said, tim Pool is pro life.

[Jason Ellis]

I know. Is it possible for that law to be voted upon by women and women only?

[Tim Pool]

I think that'd be wrong.

[Jason Ellis]

Oh, yeah, you want to be in charge of the puss.

[Tim Pool]

No, I never said in charge.

[Jason Ellis]

You're calling the shots on her.

[Alex Stein]

Your body, my choice, dude.

[Tim Pool]

I think we can't draw a distinction between termination of life based on gender. So I'm pro choice. I think that when it comes to, like, issues of abortion, to a certain point, that's woman and a doctor has nothing to do with me.

[Phil Carter]

And also.

[Tim Pool]

But I think if you're arguing that a viable human being that can survive at nine months, I have no say as an American citizen as to whether we determine a murder or not in that capacity. Well, that would be like saying, why then can't women murder the child when it's born? Right. She's giving birth. She doesn't want to. No. I think at a certain point, if a human being is a viable life form. And I'll leave a pause real quick. This is actually the principal argument in Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court was trying to determine when the baby became its own legal entity for protections. So if the baby can't survive on its own, you've got an interesting conundrum as to who is in full control. I mean. I mean, if the woman says she doesn't want to be pregnant and the baby is removed, baby dies. But if the baby can be removed safely and survive, why would the woman have the right to kill it? Because the argument gets really complicated. Let's say this.

[Jason Ellis]

That's all it is. It gets really complicated because it's. I agree that if you have a baby in your womb for six months, and it's healthy. And you're like, I don't want it anymore and I don't need to tell anybody. Why. Just kill it. I'm not for that. That. That's weird.

[Tim Pool]

But you want to control the puss.

[Jason Ellis]

What?

[Tim Pool]

You want to control the puss.

[Jason Ellis]

I'm not, but I'm saying, in my opinion, it's weird. I'm not telling her she can't do it.

[Tim Pool]

So let me ask you a question.

[Jason Ellis]

It's not my puss.

[Tim Pool]

Two women, identical twins, marry, identical twin brothers consummate the exact same night, get pregnant the exact same time. Eight and a half months later, they are both in the hospital. The woman at A, Woman A and woman B. Let's call it Jane and Joe.

[Alex Stein]

Joan.

[Tim Pool]

Jane starts going. Getting contractions before her twin sister and the baby is born. So Jane gives birth. Joan then says, I would like to terminate this baby before it's born. Do you think. Do you think the man should be able to say, no,

[Jason Ellis]

it's such a scenario?

[Alex Stein]

It's not.

[Tim Pool]

Why not? Why?

[Jason Ellis]

Because it'll never happen.

[Tim Pool]

But the. It's not a. It's. It's called. It's called the thought experiment. Experiment.

[Jason Ellis]

Okay. If it was really a thing that was happening, I would be like, right now, clearly my wife has lost her mind. Because apparently up until right now, we were like, we got a name, we got a crib. It's got a room. And now, right as it's about to come out next to your twin sister, you're like, no, I want to kill it. I'd be like, you're insane. I'm not that.

[Tim Pool]

It's called the thought experiment. Right? It means we don't actually expect the scenario. The purpose of the experiment is to say two identical circumstances where the baby is born and not born, but the babies are identical for us, all intents and purposes. Why would someone have the legal right to kill one baby and not the other? So let's. Let's. For your. For your. For your. For your thought experiment. They both had the woman separated from her husband. And so Jane is with her husband, but Joan's husband left her. They're both in the hospital, and she says, I won't have a baby without a husband, so kill it. The husband then calls the doctor and says, absolutely not. My wife's a nut job. You will not kill my baby.

[Jason Ellis]

Maybe, yeah, I'm adopt. That's all your scenarios. Adopt.

[Tim Pool]

So this is. This is the question.

[Jason Ellis]

Yes, the liberal stop her legally.

[Tim Pool]

So the. So the There you go. So that's the conservative win again.

[Alex Stein]

You're a conservative dude.

[Jason Ellis]

I finally, like, do I get anything for this?

[Phil Carter]

You get to choke slam Alex after the show. I'm gonna film it.

[Jason Ellis]

If any woman touches a baby, I'll kill it myself.

[Tim Pool]

But here's the point, Jason.

[Jason Ellis]

You know what I'm saying, brother?

[Tim Pool]

Here's the point.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm.

[Tim Pool]

I'm a traditional liberal. Yeah. And you and I probably agree on most of these moral issues.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah. Why do you think I hang out like.

[Tim Pool]

But here's the thing.

[Jason Ellis]

I get like. Like. Like you're this evil guy. If you're that evil guy, why am I here?

[Tim Pool]

But it's because. Now, here's the question. Why did they lie to you?

[Jason Ellis]

Because the media tells them that you're evil.

[Tim Pool]

But the question is, like, is it because you're just evil? I guess.

[Jason Ellis]

Well, you talk about stuff that is triggering for both sides, and you do have, I mean, as demonstrated several times today, some hostility.

[Tim Pool]

So I. I would debate really well.

[Phil Carter]

Wait, you're the one that's threatening, Alex.

[Tim Pool]

So let me. Let me tell you a story. It's going to blow your mind.

[Ian Crossland]

Mind.

[Tim Pool]

In 2020, Donald Trump lost the election. Joe Biden in. Yes.

[Jason Ellis]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

In November, when he lost, I made a video saying, donald Trump loses. Republicans then began to claim that Democrats cheated. Voting machines flipped. And I debunked all of that. And I said, I think it's around January. Democrats were able to win through Ballot Harvest, a legal practice by which activists go door to door, collect ballots on behalf of people, and then submit them, allowing Joe Biden to get 81 million votes. Several political organizations tied to the Biden administration internally discussed that I was correct and that conservatives had not noticed what I was discussing and that my sharing this information was going to caused them problems in upcoming elections. It benefited the Democrats that Republicans believed they were flipping voting machines because Republicans were off in la la land. So what they did was they put out several smear pieces against me, claiming that I was a principal progenitor of election conspiracies. They did so. So that people would stop listening to my show. This is a proven fact. And the documents have been declassified, They've been released. We've seen them talk to Mike Benz. He went over all the list of names, and they were like, it was you. Because the conservatives were screaming. Servers in Germany and Venezuela are stealing election and Trump's claiming illegal immigrants. So the reason they come after me is because I stop people like Alex when he went. When I Explain how they use the census to create extra Democrat votes. They go, oh shit. Tim Pool is exposing what we're actually doing. So I'm not a conservative. When I point out that 6,000 abortions per year are late term, they say, shit, if the American people find out there are 6,000 of these things, they're going to vote against us. So they have to silence people like me. This culminates in the Attorney General of the United States fabricating a claim that I was paid by Russians.

[Jason Ellis]

That's what people tell me I'm paid by Russians.

[Tim Pool]

The governments of the United States under Joe Biden to go after me for telling the truth. Fabricated a story about Russia paying, paying me. That's how insane the things we are dealing with really are. Because the truth is just one last point. Our politics are probably very, very similar. There are many people like you who completely like we agree on most things, but who believe because they've been manipulated by the government and by the left that I believe different things. Yeah, because they don't want you to watch my show where I explain to people who don't know something like, like Joe Biden opening the border and letting people in. And liberals who would agree with me on policy say Tim Pool's lying. There's no way that's true.

[Phil Carter]

I think I'm the only person at the table that's actually been paid by Russia.

[Tim Pool]

Have you been paid by Russia?

[Phil Carter]

All that remains has gone to Russia twice. Went to Moscow, St. Petersburg, in Moscow.

[Jason Ellis]

If it was the other way around and you said Trump opened the border, I would still say same thing.

[Tim Pool]

I probably, yes.

[Jason Ellis]

It's not because it's Joe Biden or it's Donald Trump. Trumpets because you're telling me that the commander in chief is doing something that hurts us.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, well, they think it helps us.

[Jason Ellis]

I know, but it's just, it's, it's, it's a way to do it. Where the people are getting the shaft again.

[Phil Carter]

30% increase in in home costs. 20%.

[Tim Pool]

Check this out.

[Phil Carter]

Increase in rent.

[Tim Pool]

Here's how the media works.

[Jason Ellis]

Sane.

[Tim Pool]

You see this headline from syracuse.com MAGA influencer accuses Trump of deceiving supporters on major issue. He is doing nothing. You wanna take a guess who that MAGA influencer is? Me. Now why are they calling me a MAGA influencer when I'm criticizing Donald Trump?

[Jason Ellis]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

Because they need to make sure moderate liberals don't hear me call out the President. The narrative they wanna create is that Tim Pool is a conservative right wing Trump supporter. So it's a problem when I criticize Trump and I do all the time. In fact, the administration is very mad at me about this. So what they do, the headline is going to say I'm a Trump supporter even when I'm not supporting Trump. It's fake.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I criticize Trump because the SAVE act, which would require voter id, Trump is just talking about Thomas Massie comes out against the Israel technology, you know, integration with the military. He comes out against the Epstein stuff. So what did Trump do? Trump got him removed from office. Effectively. He ran a massive primary campaign against Massey. Massie is no longer going to be in Congress as of January 3rd. John Thune, who's running the Senate, is blocking the SAVE Act. What is Trump doing? Nothing. So I said Trump is pretending like he wants the SAVE act passed, but is taking no political action against those obstructing him. So what does the media say? MAGA influencer accuses Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Why don't they just put Tim Pool criticizes Trump? Because no matter what I do, even if it's anti Trump, it's still pro Trump.

[Jason Ellis]

It's all fake, but so what? So are you mad at that?

[Tim Pool]

I'm very mad at that. But it is what it is. What do I do but keep doing my job? They want to make sure that if someone like you or a liberal sees the news story, they immediately think Tim Pool is the other, I can't trust him. Liberal. So we describe you in the political sphere. Like if you go to dc, the think tanks would call you what's called the default liberal.

[Jason Ellis]

Wait, why?

[Tim Pool]

Default liberal means someone who's politically uninitiated, they don't follow politics or really paying pay attention because of that. You've learned a lot of things from the media that is liberal oriented and not probably not true. So you will believe things that are liberal even though you're not political?

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah, I mean, I don't believe. I mean, I guess I see, look, I see both. I see videos of both sides looking bad. So I get to see a broad array of, of, of accusations where I don't. I take it with a grain of salt. I'm like, I don't. How do I know any of that's true? I wasn't there. Like, I know famous people. I know famous people that have slept with other people that didn't sleep with any, anybody because they were standing right next to me the whole time. But in the news, it's like he slept with the Hooters waitress. And I'm like, like, unless I started being a waitress at Hooters. That didn't happen.

[Tim Pool]

Who was it who just said they framed Nixon on Joe Rogan's podcast?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

It was just. I can't remember who it was. You want to Google it real quick? Yeah, there was some. It's some, like, famous actor or director. He said.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

No, no.

[Jason Ellis]

You talked about it?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

You sure?

[Tim Pool]

The story is that a liberal read a book from Bernstein about his friend who's a celebrity, Bill Murray.

[Jason Ellis]

Murray.

[Tim Pool]

Bill Murray said this. He said, when I read that book about my friend, I went, my God, they framed Nixon. Because if they're gonna lie about my friends this way, everything he said about Nixon must have been a lie, too. That's. That's what it is. All right, so I would describe. The reason why we describe the left as a cult is because they believe things that are not true, because they were told to believe them.

[Jason Ellis]

Penicide does that too.

[Tim Pool]

Some. Somewhat. Somewhat, yes.

[Jason Ellis]

Holy.

[Tim Pool]

It's called. It's called the left. It's general and the right. It's tendency.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah. Come on, man. Like, no, no, no, no. Trumbull. That's different. I'm like, wait, like, I've seen Joe Rogan do that.

[Tim Pool]

Is Tucker Carlson a Trump supporter?

[Jason Ellis]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. So the right has Tucker. That tucker Carlson with 10 million followers who gets 7 million views per episode, hating Trump. His followers don't believe anything Trump says.

[Jason Ellis]

This is the thing that you all switch. I noticed.

[Alex Stein]

What do you mean?

[Jason Ellis]

Everybody. All that most Republicans are, like, not happy with Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Not true.

[Jason Ellis]

That's people I meet.

[Tim Pool]

Not is.

[Alex Stein]

I'm not too satisfied, to be honest.

[Jason Ellis]

You're not?

[Tim Pool]

I've. I've always been sort of middle on the road on Trump. My position on Trump hasn't changed at all.

[Jason Ellis]

You're Republican, Right?

[Tim Pool]

Independent, Moderate.

[Jason Ellis]

More leaning towards that side.

[Phil Carter]

So.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so. So we got to clarify a few things. Just because I voted for Republican doesn't change the fact that I'm an independent. Independents vote left and right.

[Jason Ellis]

If you vote Republican, doesn't that make you a Republican?

[Ian Crossland]

No, I'm unaffiliated, but I voted Republican in 24. I voted Democrat in 08.

[Tim Pool]

I voted for Obama. Bernie Sanders in 26.

[Jason Ellis]

I don't know if this is personal or not, but in the next election, who would you vote for?

[Alex Stein]

Aoc.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Jason Ellis]

The other side.

[Alex Stein]

Well, big booty Latinas.

[Tim Pool]

If the Democratic Party reformed, it's big enough. If the Democratic Party reformed and they had a viable candidate, I'd vote for A Democrat, a Libertarian, or otherwise. Okay, so right now, we don't know it's gonna be J.D. vance. The most viable candidates right now would be J.D. vance and Marco Rubio. The Democrats actually don't have any real candidates right now.

[Jason Ellis]

That's what I was thinking. I was like, who is there even to vote for?

[Tim Pool]

You know, they have nobody. So I vote. I supported in 2020. I supported. I made maximum donations three or four times to the Democrats when they stole from. They stole it from Bernie twice and installed Biden as the nominee through circuitous means. I said, I'm gonna vote for Trump.

[Alex Stein]

And they killed Seth Rich.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't know about all that. It's a whole other thing, Alex.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, I know, but you see. Well, listen, if this feels like a college class for Jason, you know, it really is.

[Ian Crossland]

No, but.

[Tim Pool]

But this is not.

[Jason Ellis]

I'm like, what?

[Tim Pool]

But this is not for Jason. I'm gonna tell you again. I apologize for getting frustrated earlier, but it's not for Jason. It's for anybody who watch. Is watching this show and is thinking what Jason is thinking, hearing these things for the first time.

[Ian Crossland]

Jason's like.

[Tim Pool]

A lot of people, like, right.

[Jason Ellis]

I thought, I'll tell. The difference is, is that I'm not triggered. Well, mostly I know people because that's the. In my group, this is a big thing that. This is why I am able to be at this table. Because at one point, I was in a community of people that were not doing well, you know, like a. A lot of dark. You know, I come from a dark world where the people that I liked it were in a criminal tattoo drug. I mean, I was in a porn. All my friends were. Had a bad life, and they're kind of like, doing the best they can, but very liberal, very angry. You know, you're gay, you're bi, you're trans. They're trying to make me not. You can't. You know, at one point, I was getting crucified because. Because I was like, how's he doing? It's not a hay.

[Alex Stein]

It's a.

[Jason Ellis]

And I'm like, ah, dude, I don't. I'm doing the best I can. Yeah. Like, I'm. You gotta see that I'm not doing it in a way that it's negative. But I definitely spent a long time only around those people. And then when I got sober and started to like, I was like, oh, wow. Sleeping with everybody's not actually healthy.

[Tim Pool]

That's.

[Jason Ellis]

That's bad. And I didn't know. And then I. You Know, we're talking two years where. Where if I'm not hanging out with those people, I've pushed these other people away. So I'm by myself. And it was. And I'm getting sober. It was super scary. At one point, I was like, even you? First time I came here, I was like, what? Somebody DM me and was like, don't go on that show. I didn't even know it was a show. I was like, they want me to come. I like talking to people. And you gotta. You gotta listen. This is what he said. He's a racist. He's a homophobe. I'm like, really? Why would he have me on? That's weird. Like, he knows I'm not gonna go, yeah, man, don't say that. Like, I don't want to do that. And I said, you got any video? He's like, yeah. And then he sent me two videos,

[Alex Stein]

and I went, what were the videos?

[Jason Ellis]

Where's the bit? He said something about men not paying for dinner and something about how men are not men anymore. About, you know, something about, you need

[Alex Stein]

to take care of yourself.

[Jason Ellis]

Something about masculinity. And I was like, wait, where's the racist bit in that? Or. Or. Or homophobic? Like, is it homophobic? It just seemed like he thinks we should pay for dinner. Like, I didn't really. I'm not. I'm not catching what you have stated. And then. But it was enough because I owe my fans. You know, as soon as I walked in here, I was like, hey, man, can I just talk to you for a second? Yeah. Before we come up here? Because. Because if. If you're like, yeah, black people, I'd be like, okay, well, I'm just gonna leave. Yeah. You know, because I don't want to be in that. And if you were like, yeah, gay people, I'd be like, okay, that's also. That's the difference that my sobriety, my understanding, my constant apologize. I've apologized to everybody I've ever known for being angry, quick, and bitter. And if you're not thinking what I'm thinking, then you. That's all I was about. So now I listen to people. People I'm friends with. Jeff Dye. Do you know who that is?

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

He is not a liberal guy.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no.

[Jason Ellis]

And I was on his show, and some of the things that he thought I don't agree with. But it's your opinion, and you don't want anything bad to happen to me. You love your parents or you want to fall in love with A girl. If you have a kid, you're gonna love the kid. Like, we're all the same. It's just this weird, you know, how dare you thing where I'm like, I just don't care anymore if you say something that's offensive.

[Tim Pool]

So here's your life, dude.

[Jason Ellis]

Like, I'm, like, going to jump down your throat.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the saying, everybody lives. Everybody is on this beach surrounded by this wall of fire, and you're being told by all these people around you, they're grabbing your arm, saying, don't go near the fire. The fire is dangerous. When you finally decide to jump over that wall, you find the whole world and everything was fine the whole time.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So on this side, we've got members of our community who are transgender gay. One of our regulars, who's a big good friend of ours, is gay, married. We have no issues with anybody. It's very liberal in a sense. We have a lot of conservatives who are very far right, but it's liberal in the sense that we all hang out together. In fact, there's a guy that everybody on this, everybody who watches the show absolutely hates. You know what I'm talking about? Brian Shapiro.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah.

[Alex Stein]

But he's our friend.

[Tim Pool]

He's a raging liberal teacher. He gets beat.

[Jason Ellis]

If you're raging liberal in this room, I could see how that might trigger a few people.

[Tim Pool]

No, no.

[Alex Stein]

But he's a nice Phil.

[Tim Pool]

They do not get along.

[Phil Carter]

That's the thing.

[Jason Ellis]

And people don't realize this. Comedy taught me this going on the road. You know, I have people on social media say this, say that. Everybody I meet at a meet and greet after a show, they're awesome.

[Phil Carter]

Yeah.

[Jason Ellis]

And you can be like, you know, this one thing I don't like, or actually, you know what, baby? Gay isn't bad. And I'm like, okay, like. Like, it's. I also understand where you come, your parents. I don't know where you were born. Maybe you hung up with the people that were like, these guys are bad. Maybe one of them did something bad to you. Everyone has a reason. I just never take it. I was always ready, you know, like,

[Alex Stein]

well, here I want to say something. I want to make one point.

[Tim Pool]

Let me.

[Jason Ellis]

Let me do that.

[Tim Pool]

I'm getting argue. I go.

[Jason Ellis]

Because we get in jump. You know, like, you got to be ready.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to say one thing, and then, Alex, you can take. You can. You can wrap it up.

[Jason Ellis]

Up.

[Tim Pool]

We just. We're. We're friends with everybody.

[Jason Ellis]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

From. If, like, we have Friends who are liberals and progressives, I'm here, right? If you're. If you're nice to us, we're nice to Day as.

[Jason Ellis]

There you go.

[Tim Pool]

But that's just you, dude. If. If you're nice to us, we're nice to you. That's all that matters. Yeah, but take it away, Alex.

[Alex Stein]

I just want to make this point. I think this would. Would describe Tim's politics and correct me if I'm wrong. And I.

[Jason Ellis]

He will.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah, I'm paraphrasing. Mavell, is that most people are good, but most people in power are bad because you had to do something bad to get into power. And I think Tim is trying to fight against the power, the man, the people that are trying to hold us back. And so I think that's a better representation of Tim's. If it's a conservative guy that's doing bad, if it's a liberal guy that's doing bad, whatever. We're trying to fight against the people that are in power that are screwing us over.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think most people are good. I think most people are selfish, hell bent on survival.

[Alex Stein]

I mean, that's. That's a paraphrase of Machiavelli.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, this wholesome ending. And then Ian's like, no, I thought

[Jason Ellis]

we were in the clear, dude, we got to get the squirrels. You know what I'm saying?

[Ian Crossland]

Spirit has like a good guiding, godlike thing, but the animal body that we inhabit are just devious, murderous.

[Jason Ellis]

It's like when he finger boils, I'm like, I'm gonna punch him in the mouth. And then he does not let him do his gay shit either.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I don't think people are good at all. We've got to get 80, 90% destructive animals. And we kind of have a tiny bit of control over that.

[Tim Pool]

We got. Wait, wait, wait. We gotta get ready. We're about to get. We're getting ready for the. The live show Cast Brew coffee. It's going to be fun. We'll carry on the conversation. Smash the like button. Share the show. Follow me on x and Instagram at Tim Cast, who wants to go first? Shout some love first.

[Alex Stein]

It's primetime Alex Stein. Thank you guys for having me. Tim, it's always a pleasure. Jason, it was great to teach you a little bit about the immigration, abortion, yada, yada, yada. But it was always a pleasure. He made me laugh a lot. And I will say this, please follow me on X. Alex. I 99 love you guys. Peace.

[Jason Ellis]

Oh. Thejason ellis.com for 2A dates. I'm a comedian. Sometimes I'm funny. The jason al show patreon.com Ellis made. And then Horseforce live YouTube show I do every day. I never not do it. Rob Dick came to me in my dreams and told me that if I did it seven days a week, I would have enough money to buy a horse. And he was right.

[Tim Pool]

Rob do Genius is Rob Dyrdek.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I don't know Rob.

[Alex Stein]

That guy's like, you don't know Rob? He has the biggest legend of all time.

[Jason Ellis]

Who is this guy?

[Alex Stein]

Rob Deerdick.

[Tim Pool]

MTV show in history.

[Alex Stein]

Yeah. Who's done like 11,000 episodes. Oh, actually Shout Out After Hours with Alex Stein and Real America's Voice.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. We did have cable growing up. Also didn't have air conditioning. My mother was a bit of a ludite. Worked that way, didn't it was.

[Tim Pool]

It was.

[Ian Crossland]

It was nice. We had a very stable, loving child. Very lucky. So follow me at Ian Crossland on the Internet. See you later.

[Phil Carter]

I am Phil that Remains on Twix. You can follow me on Patreon as well. That's Phil that Remains. The band is all that remains. You can check out our music on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify, and Deezer. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime. Carter.

[Tim Pool]

I'm Carter Banks.

[Ian Crossland]

You can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere and at Carter Banks official everywhere else. Trash house Records on YouTube.

[Tim Pool]

I got to say, this is one of my favorite shows that we've done

[Ian Crossland]

so far because, like, it's just really

[Tim Pool]

funny and a great conversation. Well, Jason's super funny. It's. I'd be remiss if I didn't shout out the Kevin Sin Frontera documentary, because I feel like we could have put out there at any time. Let's make him watch it. He should watch it on the plane. Really should, because so much going through, like the Darien Gap and all that stuff.

[Alex Stein]

It was wild.

[Tim Pool]

But anyway, yeah, looking forward to everything. Let's go. We'll see you guys tonight at the party. Well, actually, you're there now, I think. Thanks for hanging out.