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SHOTS at Southern Border, Cartels FIRE On US Border Patrol Agents w/ Josh Seiter
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SHOTS at Southern Border, Cartels FIRE On US Border Patrol Agents w/ Josh Seiter
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Libby Emmons
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Phil Labonte
Foreign There have been shots fired at the US Mexico border. It's no surprise to anyone that Donald Trump's signature policy was sending the illegal immigrants back to their countries of origin. And it seems that there are people that are taking issue with it, whether it be the cartels in Mexico or Colombia. But we've got all that tonight. We're going to start by talking about the gunfights at the border. The U.S. border Patrol is exchanging gunfire with the Mexican cartels. This is something that I think every American should care about because these are things that actually can spill over into the rest of the United States because cartels and, you know, organized crime, that kind of stuff actually will seep into the rest of the country if, if we're not careful. Colombia got into a beef with the United States because we were sending Colombian illegal migrants back to Colombia and the Colombian president was not going to receive the planes. And that lasted for like 10 hours because the United States just flexed a little bit of economic power over them, which is a little soft power, which is something the United States should be doing. But to see that kind of behavior work so well and so quickly speaks about the previous administration. We're going to talk about that. J.D. vance got into a wonderfully heated debate with. Who's that? Margaret Brennan over the weekend. And we'll talk about that a little bit. Andy, no, was reporting about the trans, I guess trans German person that killed a Vermont Border Patrol officer. So we're going to talk about that. Selena Gomez was crying and had to delete some Instagram story because of it. Nick sort of was talking about Donald Trump has mentioned again at the, I guess a gop. Oh, Donald Trump was talking about getting rid of the income tax again. So we're going to talk about that. And we've got some something about Nicole Wallace crying and Google Maps is chain is going to change the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America. But before we get into that, go on over to cast brew.com and buy some coffee tonight. We got Ian here. Ian, how many, how many bags of graphene dream have you sold?
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Ian Crossland
Oh, all told, probably like 6,000, 5,000, I think there's like a hundred left as of yesterday or something. I checked. 140 left.
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Josh Cider
Maybe.
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Phil Labonte
If you want that, click on it.
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Ian Crossland
It'Ll tell you how many there are available. 137.
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Phil Labonte
Good grief.
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Ian Crossland
Get them.
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Phil Labonte
They're gonna go out of stock soon. Go grab some. Ian's Graphene Dream. You can go get some. What else do we got? The Appalachian Nights, which is actually my personal favorite. That's the one that I. I drink. Nor the rise with Roberto Jr. Is back in stock. What else do we have? Got?
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Ian Crossland
Phil's Holiday Blend. Is it still available?
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Phil Labonte
I mean, you know, sell yourself, baby. Look at that outfit. Yeah, you know, I. I think that. I think it captured my holiday spirit nicely. If you want to head on over to Boonies HQ, you can buy skate decks. The new 28th Amendment skate deck that Tim has has put out. It. It's. It reads the 28th Amendment. Chickens being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep, bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed. Everyone has the right to grow their own food. And if you go to the boonies hq.com you can pick up a skateboard that will affirm that right and remind you that you have the right to. To direct your own life. And then you can head on over to timcast.com click. Join us. Become a member. Join the Discord. You'll be invited to the after show. Officially, cordially invited to the after show where you can call in and talk to us, Ask questions, talk to our guest, talk to Ian. Ask him what he's been doing, if he's been changing the weather and if. If the snow that you're. You're dealing with is Ian's fault or not. But. But yeah. So why don't we go ahead and get started tonight? We've got Josh Cider here. How you doing, Josh? Good to see you.
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Josh Cider
How's it going, man? Thanks for having me.
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Phil Labonte
Who are you and what do you do?
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Josh Cider
I am an Internet troll and provocateur, and so I just talk about a lot of things, including gender ideology and a lot of other stuff, so.
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Phil Labonte
All right. Well, thank you for coming to hang out. Libby's here.
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Libby Emmons
I'm Libby Emmons. I'm with the Post. Millennial. Glad to be here, guys.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, I'm happy to be back, man. Wish it could be under better circumstances. Tim, wish you the best. Tim's out with a dental surgery. Healing up as we speak. Tim Pool the man. Phil, thank you for hosting tonight.
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Phil Labonte
Thank you.
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Ian Crossland
Good to Meet you finally, Josh. We also have Serge on the buttons. He's not going to introduce himself.
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Phil Labonte
He doesn't like to talk at all.
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Ian Crossland
I'm Ian Crossland, Very happy to be here. Check me out on YouTube at Ian Crossland. I just posted a video a couple days ago about the that we are in a golden age right now. It's an interesting time to be alive. Our production capacity is enhancing as we speak. But let's get down to the stories.
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Phil Labonte
All right, don't forget, smash the like button, share the show with your friends, and let's get right into it. U. S. Border patrol agents exchange gunfire with Mexico drug cartels. This actual video here, this was taken a few days ago. This is a U. S. Citizen that was shot by the cartels. And if I understand correctly, he was just hiking and just caught astray. I don't know if they were shooting at him or if they were just being buck wild and, and shooting, but Newsweek reports u. S. Border patrol agents near Fronton, Texas reportedly exchanged gunfire at the southern border with suspected drug cartel gunmen from Mexico. There were no injuries in the incident Near Fronton island, an uninhabited island in the Rio Grande in Star County, Texas. According to reports, the island is a disputed territory about which Texas and Mexico have made conflicting ownership claims. Newsweek reached out to U.S. customs, the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. border Patrol, and the Texas Department of Public Safety via email for commentary. News nation's Ali Bradley reported that while the suspected cartel has fired shots from the Mexican side of the territory for years, things in the area have escalated in unprecedented ways since Donald, since president Donald Trump was elected, even giving orders to shoot at agents recently. So if they're receiving orders from the cartels, which, I mean, ostensibly the guys that are, you know, the, the, the foot soldiers or what have you, they're the guys that are, they are taking orders from the higher ups. If the higher ups are actually giving orders to shoot at American, you know, border patrol and likely in the future, American soldiers and marines. I mean, what does that say about the US Posture towards the cartels? They've been designated terrorists. You know, do they have to start worrying about, you know, airstrikes? Because, because honestly, it's not like Mexico can stop us.
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Josh Cider
Well, it's interesting. It shows how silly the whole situation is, especially what the left is saying that everyone coming here is just, you know, innoc and that there's nothing we should be afraid of. But at the same time, they're tacitly admitting that it's very dangerous there, there's violent people there. But we're supposed to believe that everyone coming into. Flooding into America is. Are going to be model citizens and are completely innocent. And I think it just shows the type of people that are there on the other side of the border. And it justifies why Trump has taken the stance he has taken, which is we don't know who these people are that are flooding into our country from this dangerous country, and we should get rid them. And so I think it just proves that what Trump's doing is the right thing and that the people coming over aren't a bunch of innocent model citizens.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah, I think that's interesting, too, and that's something that I think a lot of the Democrats are pressing, is that there's this idea that the people who are crossing the border are all innocents. Right. They're all just people seeking a better life. And I think that that is so, you know, that's so poorly thought out because these are people also that are paying human smugglers, you know, the cartels, to bring people across, and they're coming from all the world with nefarious purposes. There were already people coming across with terrorist plots. J.D. vance was talking about that yesterday on CBS. There was somebody who was trying to do a terror attack in Oklahoma. So I think that we've seen that it makes a lot of sense for Trump to refer to the cartels as terrorists, and the terrorists, the terrorist cartels, think of themselves that way, too. The car, the. The gang. What is it? The Venezuelan gang, Trende Aragua. They have an open policy that you can. If you're part of that gang, you can go ahead and shoot law enforcement. That's part of it. That's part of what they're doing.
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Josh Cider
And to think that they're not also sending some of their cartel members in as just migrants, to think that they wouldn't do that is beyond naive. Of course they are. We had an open border policy. You better bet they're sending tons of people over into our country.
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Phil Labonte
I've talked to some people on Twitter about this or on X about this, and I've. I've, you know, essentially floated the idea that the United States has spent the past 20 years dealing with terrorist organizations like this. Now, the U.S. is exceedingly good at dismantling terrorist organizations like this. When it comes to the action of dismantling, the politics aside, right, you talk about what happened in Afghanistan after the Taliban was. The Taliban was. Was, you know, expelled. And then you. You're like, okay, well, there were problems afterwards. And then you talk about what happened in Iraq after the Iraqi government was taken apart. And then they, you know, basically subdued Iraq to a large degree. But then the politics got involved and the, the rules of engagement became a problem. The United States can. And also what the United States did to the, to isis, the, you know, the Islamic State completely, you know, annihilated, like took them out almost entirely. But when the US Leaves, then you have a power vacuum, then these organizations can come back. But with a situation where you're, the US Isn't going anywhere. You know, it's not like the US Is going to go back. Like, if the US Were to begin operations in Mexico and work with the Mexican government to actually route out the, the cartels, it's not like the US Is going to leave. There's, the United States is still right there. You know, if they're, if they're sending people over the border, the US Is not going anywhere. So the idea that the US could leave and, and you know, essentially fumble the ball on the, you know, the piece is what's, what usually is, is, is how is, is, is how it's characterized. That's not really an option this time. And so the thing that people bring up as well, you know, we're going to see terrorist attacks by the cartels in the US and while that's totally possible, it's not like that wasn't a possibility when you were dealing with other terrorist organizations. I mean, the whole war on terror started because 3,000 people died on 9 11. Like that's what set the whole thing off. An actual terror attack in the US and there were a handful of attempts, I, and, and some that were actually successful. You know, the, the Pulse nightclub comes to mind. And then, and then most of them were random, you know, individuals, like lone wolf stuff. Do you guys think that the United States first of all should actually get into that kind of action with the, with the cartels? Because if you think of it like 100,000 people a year or something like that die of fentanyl. And there's probably a million people in, in, in some kind of being trafficked, some somehow over the, over the border. Half a million of them are kids, you know, that are being raped multiple times a day. Is this something that the US should actually start to do, to start to work with the Mexican government, try to get them to actually clean up their government because they're all in bed with the cartels and actually start taking out car, you know, taking out the upper echelon of the cartels?
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Josh Cider
I think they Definitely should. But it's silly to do anything in, in another country if you're not going to protect your own border and prevent them from coming over here. Why are we sending soldiers to other countries to fight and die if we are just going to allow them to come into our country carte blanche with zero repercussions? Why are our soldiers fighting anywhere if we're just going to leave our border open? So first we need to secure our border and then. Yeah, Phil, I think absolutely, if we have to send them over into Mexico to do some kind of operations, then do that too. But we need to do both.
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Phil Labonte
Do you think that, that the Trump administration is going to put the effort in to do what it wasn't capable of doing? I think, personally, I think that there's, there's a mandate from the American people. Right. The American people are, are significantly aware, like there's a general awareness that there's, you know, at least 10 million, probably 20 million illegal immigrants that have come over the border and the borders, that is the border is a real problem. Do you think that the Trump administration is going to do this?
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Josh Cider
They already did in his first week last week they sent 10,000 troops with military grade weapons and airplanes and helicopters over to the border. So that right there says yes, he's going to do something and that we're only seven days into his presidency.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
Have they sent artillery down there yet?
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Phil Labonte
Well, I don't know that artillery is actually the right, the right piece of equipment. If you do need something, that's art because artillery is really. Artillery generally tends to be like area denial. So you'll shoot an artillery, you'll shoot artillery rounds and those will explode over an area meant to take out large groups of, of, you know, infantry. It would be more likely that they would have drones, AC130s and that kind of something. That's more precise than artillery because artillery.
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Ian Crossland
Artillery takes out large areas like with this gunfire. If a foreign country is firing across our border at American citizens, that might go on for a little while until the artillery strikes begin or until it's just like take the area out, level it. I mean, I can see this thing escalating really, really fast. And the rest of the world, people that don't like the United States getting involved through the Mexican side, it becoming an all out war on our border. 30 miles, 180 miles away from the border is just no man's land. Like I would not want to be living near the border right now. If this thing is looking like a war is about to open up on our southern border. We haven't had a border war since 1812. I think that's right before the age of, like, Artill, really. It was like, cannons and stuff. Now we've got, like. I don't know how long range these artillery are. You probably shoot a thousand miles with these stupid rockets.
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Phil Labonte
Now, artillery, if you're talking about guns, if you're talking about artillery, they top out around 20, 30 miles, if I understand.
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Ian Crossland
Then you got, like, rocket artillery.
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Phil Labonte
Rockets. Rockets are. Rockets are different. And missiles are cruise missiles and stuff like that.
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Ian Crossland
I feel the fervor of 911 right now, where people, like, go get the. Go get the terrorists. Go get them.
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Phil Labonte
Go get them.
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Ian Crossland
But it's on the border. It's not like it's over there. Where the collateral damage that we create is actually to our benefit. It's. I don't know, man.
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Phil Labonte
I don't know that collateral damage was to our benefit. I feel like collateral damage is generally to our detriment because nobody wants to.
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Libby Emmons
This is. This might be the. The first war against terror that is actually beneficial domestically.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Libby Emmons
You know, because we would be preventing massive gangs from coming in and destroying, you know, the US Population with fentanyl and other drugs, from bringing children across who really shouldn't be anywhere near this situation. From all of the rapes, all of this stuff, all of the extortion. And there's already. There's lots of reports, too, of people, once they get to the US Having, being forced to pay back the money that they gave, that they paid. That the cartels spent to get them across the border. And that's how they're pressed into domestic servitude, which is a big problem that no one ever talks about. I mean, everyone talks about sex slavery and prostitution and forced prostitution, but there's a lot of domestic entrapment as well. I mean, there was a. There were a group of people in Queens. There were, like, deaf illegal immigrants working in a hotel room in Queens, and they were. They were not allowed to leave. That was a few years ago. I remember that story. So I think that it would be useful. I don't know that the government of Mexico is particularly open to working with Trump at this point. You know, they've balked at the tariffs. So is the Canadian government. But I think that. I think that what we've seen with this whole situation with Colombia, too, where, you know, the president of Colombia refused to take back a plane of illegal immigrants, and he said, you're not treating these people with dignity. Well, you know, what's not treating them with dignity is. Is making it so that people don't feel comfortable to stay in Colombia. Right. And the U. S. Enacted a free trade agreement with Columbia under George W. Bush that reduced tariffs on the U. S. You know, for exports to Colombia and the U.S. i think there was, like, a 30% tariff on American goods going to Colombia that got reduced. And part of the deal was to revitalize the Colombian economy so that people wanted to stay there. So what has Colombia done in the past 15 or so years? Have they done anything to help that situation? Have they done anything to make their citizens want to stay there and revitalize their own country? Just speaking as an American, I don't want to go to some other country and make that country better. I. I really just want my country to be better, you know, and maybe, like, that's a little overly patriotic and simplistic, but that's what I'm interested in. And I feel like if I were from some other country, that's what I would want, too. You know, if I were Colombian, I'd be like, that's right. I'm Colombian. This is my nation. I want it to be awesome. Why would you not want that? And so the president of Columbia said, you know, you're sending people back on military flights. That's so undignified. How could you do that? You have to treat our people with more dignity. He hasn't treated them with any dignity when they cross the border illegally and come into other countries and ditch their passports at the border or whatever else they do to try and claim that they're asylum seekers or whatever else. And so when Trump was just like, fine, you don't want to do it. That's a 25% tariff. Oh, you're going to talk back some more now? That's 50%. Oh, you still won't accept your own people back to their home, to their country where they were born? Now we're not going to issue diplomatic visas, you know, get your people out of the country. Oh, you still don't want to do it? Now there's sanctions on your family? So you mentioned the next thing that the president of Columbia did was he said, oh, okay, do you need my plane to help you? And he offered his presidential plane to help.
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Phil Labonte
You mentioned the. The Colombian president and Donald Trump sparring. So why don't we talk about that? Go to the story. Colombia backs down on accepting deportees on military planes after Trump's tariff threats.
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Ian Crossland
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So grab your free welcome bonus now@chumbacasino.com sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group Void where prohibited by law 18/ terms and conditions apply Colombia has walked back from the brink of a damaging trade war with the United States reaching an agreement on accepting deported migrants being returned in on military planes. After a flurry of threats from President Donald Trump that included steep tariffs. Colombia said Sunday evening it had had agreed to all of President Trump's terms, including the unrestricted acceptance of immigrants who entered the US Illegally after two US Military planes carrying deportees were blocked from entering the country. We will continue to receive Colombians and Colombian women who who return as deportees, guaranteeing them decent conditions as citizens subject to to rights, foreign Minister Luis Gilberto Murelli Murello said in a televised statement. He added that U S deportation flights had resumed and the Colombian presidential plane was being prepared to assist in repatriating citizens. The idea that the Colombian president actually meant the problem is the digs that they are flying in is is they're not good enough. I don't buy it for a second, but I do think that this speaks to how influential the United States is. People in the US don't realize how much soft power the United States has. We don't have to threaten combat with everybody now. The leftists on X will go ahead and get it into a tizzy every time Donald Trump makes any kind of threat. But these threats are are heated and the other countries that are that are being threatened actually move because the United States is still the economic powerhouse. The United States still has the reserve currency of the world. So they have to move.
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Josh Cider
Well, Phil, it's carrots and sticks and I feel like everyone's forgotten about that in the last three or four decades. We used to use carrots and sticks and Guess what? It's okay to use sticks sometimes, but I feel like the left that woke virus has ruined people's brains where they think they can't do anything that might offend somebody, so they're always too afraid to use a stick. And I think Trump is really showing. Like you said, we are the greatest superpower on earth. It's okay for us to flex a little bit of muscle and use that stick from time to time. And this is the apotheosis of it. And it shows that it works and it's effective. And I hope he keeps doing it.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah. I mean, the, the idea that the United States shouldn't try to get better deals out of other countries because it might offend someone. I mean, that's, that's so detrimental to really.
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Libby Emmons
America first.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah. Never. It's not just not America first, it's America last, which is, you know, that was a meme idea going around the Internet, but that's really the way that the Democrats have behaved. It's as if the Democrats believe that we are wrong for being as powerful as we are. We are wrong for when we try to be a world leader. We are wrong whenever we do things that benefit the United States because we're so rich and so powerful. Everything to the left is some type of Marxist power dynamic. And because the United States is the dominant power in the world, anytime the U. S. Uses that power, even soft power again. Now I'm not talking about getting into military conflicts, but when the United States uses the soft power, the United States is the bad guy for. For having the audacity to try to get deals that are beneficial to the United States. And now these just taking back your, your. I don't know. I don't know if they're. Well, I mean, I assume they're all. They're all criminals to some degree because these. That's the people that are getting sent back right away.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah.
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Phil Labonte
Just taking back your criminals. That something that the United States is out of line for saying, hey, take back your criminals.
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Josh Cider
And I feel like the left always has paralysis by analysis. They're so busy thinking about how this thing might offend somebody and how this might percolate out and it might, you know, disparately affect some marginalized group. We need to stop thinking like that. Just do we have an objective? We need to achieve the objective. What's the most efficient way we can achieve that objective and stop overanalyzing everything. But I feel like that's all the left does. And like you said, they seem to Be hell bent on putting us last. And I'm glad that we finally have a president that seems to show how easy it is to actually just put us first. It's not that hard.
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Libby Emmons
You also said something about when the US Tries to use, like, soft measures to get changes. When we use soft members measures, they call us Satan. So we like, you know, whenever we like, try and do something like play little games and do things diplomatically, everyone hates us anyway.
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Phil Labonte
Yes. Okay. Yes, absolutely.
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Libby Emmons
You know what I mean? Like, they still, they'll call us the godless Satan of the United States because we, like, tried to do something diplomatic here in Lebanon or we tried to do something sort of conciliatory over here in South America. And so if we're gonna be, if we're gonna just be evil Satan anyway, we may as well just go for it and like, do, do everything the right way and just get it done as quickly as possible.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah. I mean, considering the way they hate.
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Libby Emmons
Us now, they hate us anyway. Like, just do it.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah. I mean, the, the successes that the Donald Trump administration has had in this past week have been remarkable. Like, he's really, really made some moves and things have all turned out just the way that Donald Trump and by extension the American people want. And so I think that this is, this is a ringing endorsement of the policies that he wants. And it hasn't, it hasn't even taken tariffs. All it's taken is negotiation. But the, the left and the Democrats don't even have the stomach for negotiation.
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Libby Emmons
What's great, too is Trump doesn't have to negotiate. He doesn't have to even take very much action at all.
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Phil Labonte
Yep.
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Libby Emmons
All he has to do is spout off. He doesn't even have to spout off on Twitter. He just has to spout off on truth, social, right, and say stuff. Everyone goes crazy and he gets his way without having to do anything. Yeah, he just has to say stuff.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, I do miss him on X though.
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Libby Emmons
Well, sure. I wish he'd come back to X2. I mean, we have the new rapid response team now. They're back on X. That's going to be an interesting. That'll be interesting.
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Josh Cider
Speaking of X, I saw a great quote on there today. It was by someone named Antonin Scalia, but I thought he passed away. But it said, everyone's so afraid of offending their enemies. Yeah, why? Why do you care if you offend your enemies? It said you should be doing what's going to garner you the respect of your peers and just do the Right thing. Why are we so afraid of offending our enemies? I don't know. But the left seems obsessed with it.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah. Like Steve Bannon says, pray for your enemies, you know. Yeah.
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Josh Cider
But don't try to get them to like you. Why are we always trying to get our enemies to like us? I just don't. It's such an odd thing.
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Ian Crossland
The concern I have in that vein, I guess is maybe I can see it from their perspective for a moment, is that if you make too many people hate you, the tide may shift and you may become very quickly no longer a superpower. Like if there were an invasion from the north and the south and the east and the West. Nuclear. No, it would go nuclear. It would go nuclear.
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Libby Emmons
But how would that happen?
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, there is no.
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Ian Crossland
There was like Chinese attacks, missiles fired. Like if cities got hit all at once, like in the night. And we lost New York, Washington D.C. los Angeles.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah. But all of those places would get instantly nuked.
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Ian Crossland
If we lost all those cities in a moment like overnight, that would be.
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Libby Emmons
All of our nuclear sites are elsewhere though, are not even ending.
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Ian Crossland
But we wouldn't, we would still fight back. That's the thing, is the deterrence of force would probably make that not happen, but we would no longer be the superpower after that.
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Phil Labonte
What is the positive result for any country that initiates a nuclear war with the United States? In your mind, false flag.
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Ian Crossland
Like if you make it look like someone else did it get the US to strike back at the wrong person.
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Phil Labonte
What I'm saying is what would the whatever country. So I don't know how. And you can't do a false flag with an all out nuclear exchange. Right. Like you can't, like China can't shoot all of its missiles and be like it was Russia. Right. And either way, like, like that's just not possible. If you the, the logistics of attacking the United States because of the, the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. There is no. You can't be like, you can't do it under cover of darkness and hide it well.
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Ian Crossland
You have nuclear submarines off the coast.
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Phil Labonte
Nobody has enough nuclear submarines to take out the United States. And there's, it's not about.
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Ian Crossland
Oh, sorry, interrupt.
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Phil Labonte
Well, and nuclear sub. Like a lot of times nuclear, nuclear submarines are shadowed by other nuclear submarines. So they're hunter killer class submarines that they thought that all their job is to do is follow behind the nuclear submarines of other countries.
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Ian Crossland
Like I don't think that it has happened by any means that too many people have been pissed off where they're like, all right, the liberal economic order is now done at 12:07am but because we're all still on really good trade relations with a lot of the world. But that would be the concern is if we pissed off even our European allies, our South American allies, obviously Russia's ready to go for the throat. The Chinese would be happy to see the United States fall and trip over its own shoelaces.
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Phil Labonte
Do you think that Russia is actually a threat, considering how much they're overextended, how much damage they've taken just fighting Ukraine? Do you think that they're actually.
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Ian Crossland
I don't think they're a direct threat at all.
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Phil Labonte
I don't think the amount of money that we owe to China, China's not really. There's no incentive for China to actually also.
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Libby Emmons
We're their biggest exporter.
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Phil Labonte
They. They like. Without the United States buying their, you know, the cheap Chinese crap.
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Libby Emmons
We buy.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah. Like, without the, without the US Buying them, they go into a recession and possibly a depression. And they've got one and a half billion people in that country. So they, like the Chinese Communist Party has to keep the population sub to a certain degree. They don't have the military to actually suppress the population. Have to do it economically.
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Josh Cider
I feel like a lot of problems and even more problems result when you try to appease everybody. That's why we have a fentanyl crisis in this country. That's why we have over 11 million undocumented migrants in this country. There's. That's why we have a border war going on almost. There's a lot of problems that result when you try to appease everyone. And I think Donald Trump's definitely taking the route of breaking away from what the Democrats have been doing for the last four years. And I think it's working.
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Phil Labonte
The only reason I'm asking in this question is because I want. I really do think that your, your concerns are, are not really something you have to worry a whole lot about. I'm trying to, like, allay your, your fears and stuff, because really the United States is like, there's not. There are no countries that have an incentive to actually get into a, a confrontation with the United States. Every country on earth will do whatever they can to avoid a confrontation with.
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Ian Crossland
The US What I've been thinking is, like, if we went to blows with the cartels in Mexico and it turned into like an Afghanistan where we just invade and take it over because the government's incapable of doing anything for us, so we have to establish our own puppet Government that might piss off the rest of the world to the point where they're like, this country has overstepped.
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Libby Emmons
I don't think anyone would care if we invaded Mexico. Mexico? I honestly, I don't think so. I think if. I think if we took over Canada.
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Phil Labonte
That would probably be a little more British.
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Ian Crossland
That's a British kingdom.
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Libby Emmons
I think the UK would be mad if we took over Canada and they might come at us with their little stabby knives or something, you know.
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Josh Cider
But hasn't Mexico. Hasn't Mexico invaded us? Effectively, Yeah.
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Libby Emmons
I mean, but I think also if we took over Mexico and we subdued those cartels, everyone would be like, oh, I guess America's getting a little testy. I mean, you know, what's next?
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Phil Labonte
I think you're. I do kind of think you're right, that the. The. The rest of the world, at the very least, I mean, what was the.
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Libby Emmons
Last time that Mexico was involved in something international? Wasn't that. That memo wasn't there like a.
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Phil Labonte
You know, they all. The last time they forget the memo. The last time they almost did was World War II, right.
- [32:56]
Libby Emmons
With that memo.
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Phil Labonte
Germans were like, talking like, yo, we're gonna come over there, and that was the last time. Yeah, that's it. I mean, Mexico doesn't have any. Any type of military that could stand up to the United States.
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Libby Emmons
They can't even stand up to the cartels.
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Phil Labonte
Exactly. And so I think that if the United States decided that they wanted to go into Mexico, get rid of the people in government because of corruption and actually prop up a government and go after the cartels, I think that the argument that the government that the United States government could make is at least as compelling as the argument, actually probably more compelling than the argument the government.
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Josh Cider
Made when going into Iraq just because of proximity. There are southern neighbor. How much more important could it be? The primacy of that is evident. There are southern neighbors.
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Phil Labonte
They're attacking. They're continuously attacking our. Our population. The government of Mexico does not stop country. People that are. That are traveling through the country to invade the United States. When it comes to immigration, you know, illegal immigrants, they've done nothing to stop it. They've. They've. They've helped. They have a government that is entirely corrupt. Like the. The cartels are in control. They kill journalists, they kill like mayors, not even just like, you know, big people in the federal government, but like, if the mayor of a town the cartel wants to control is. Does. Doesn't comply, they'll kill him. They're brutal. Absolutely Brutal. At least as brutal as the terrorists in, in, you know, ISIS or what, what have you. So the argument that. Not, not, not that I'm endorsing this, but if the United States decided they were going to. I think the United States could make a better argument for invading Mexico, ousting the government, saying they're not, you know, they're not a real government ousting that government than, than the, the argument made for going into Iraq.
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Libby Emmons
Mexico just. They acknowledged that they got 4,000 deportees back during the first week, and they're concerned about it. But, you know, I don't think that there's anything that they can really do about it. And what's interesting too is I saw this journalist saying, like, it's not fair to these other countries to just drop a whole bunch of people on them unexpected.
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Josh Cider
That's what's happening. It's like us.
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Libby Emmons
Oh, okay. Is that not fair?
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Phil Labonte
Super don't care. You don't. Super don't care.
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Libby Emmons
I really don't care, Margaret.
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Phil Labonte
You know, I really don't care, Margaret. That's.
- [35:22]
Libby Emmons
But it's funny because 4, 000 people, we get like quadruple that in an afternoon.
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Phil Labonte
10 million in four years. At least 10 million, probably 15 million in four years.
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Libby Emmons
Over 2 million every year. And that's just the people who were accounted for. That's not the people who never came into contact with anybody or didn't surrender themselves or didn't apply for asylum or any of those other, you know, CBP1 app or any of that stuff.
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Josh Cider
I feel like it's always rules for thee and not for me. Like, they always want us to abide by these things. And the hypocrisy of it is. What do you mean we can't do that? They've been invading us for the last four years by the millions, and that's okay.
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Libby Emmons
And all these nations don't care. You know, Sheinbaum, Claudia Scheinbaum, President of Mexico, she said, what we ask for is respect for human rights. What have you been doing, girl?
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Josh Cider
They've been bringing fentanyl into our country. Where's the respect for our children's human rights? No one cares about our kids, Americans, human rights.
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Libby Emmons
Anyone like any of that?
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, I think that the, the idea that, that, you know, any other country, particularly, you know, in South America. South America and, and south of the US Border, I don't think that any of those countries are in any position to criticize the United States at all. Most of them have basket case governments. Right. Most of them can barely handle their own population. They're very, very frequently some crazy form of socialism that just doesn't work. They rewrite their constitutions every, every decade or so because people are miserable. They have, they have constitutions that are hundreds of pages long because they're just essentially giving, they're saying that everybody has a right to everything. And they, they quickly realize that just putting a right on paper doesn't make it materialize in the world.
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Josh Cider
Wait, socialism hasn't worked a single time. That's weird. And I thought it was the best thing ever. I know this is.
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Phil Labonte
But then this, this speaks to, this speaks to an actual, A real phenomenon is that there is such a strong left word, left leaning in most of the world. There is, there are very, very few right wing governments. Right. Like you now.
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Libby Emmons
They might, might be looking at one of those soon.
- [37:29]
Phil Labonte
It's possible that they, they might. But if you think about the past.
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Libby Emmons
20 years, would you call Islamic extremists right wing?
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Phil Labonte
And maybe you know, like so, so the, so, so Saudi Arabia might be right wing because it's a monarchy. Right? There, there, there are, you know, there are a handful of legitimate monarchies in the, in the world still. And I think that those probably would be the, the clear right wing governments. But the, the ones that make all the noise complaining about the United States, they're all leftists. They're all, and the arguments they make are always leftist arguments. Oh, you're oppressing us, you're so powerful and we're so weak. And it's always the Marxist power dynamic. And the United States needs to just ignore that stuff and behave as the superpower that it is because the US does have the ability to influence other countries just. But with soft power, we don't need to, to get into, you know, conflicts with, with other countries. Most of the time the US has plenty of power to influence just with, with essentially with carrots. You know, hey, look, we won't do this and maybe it is a little of the stick, but it's not like, you know, not combat so well.
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Josh Cider
And I think it's interesting too that you know, leftist ideology in theory sounds appealing.
- [38:52]
Libby Emmons
Yes.
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Josh Cider
But you know, a few centuries ago with Adam Smith writing Wealth of the nations and then later Ayn Rand, we understood that capitalism was the way reality needs to work because all the incentives run in the right direction. So it's interesting that leftist ideology still has such a hold on people's minds even here in America in 2024 when we've seen throughout history that it just doesn't work. It's good in theory, but in reality, know what really works and we keep rejecting it. And I think Donald Trump is going back to what really works. And I think it's time we ditch the kind of leftist head in the.
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Ian Crossland
Clouds thinking, seems like capitalism is pretty awesome. Least worst system ever been tried by humanity that I can tell economically.
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Phil Labonte
Except.
- [39:36]
Ian Crossland
And it's not perfect. I'm not saying just get rid of it. But like generational wealth things, unfettered capitalism.
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Josh Cider
Can be pernicious and is not good either. That can lead to a lot of corruption.
- [39:47]
Ian Crossland
Yeah. So you tax the wealthy families more, but like, okay, wealthy family has a kid, they give their kid all their wealth. It makes sense. You want to give your kid your money. Poor family has a kid, the kid's eating dirt, picking through feces for seeds so he doesn't starve to death. Wealthy family has a kid, gives him the best education, the best food, he has the greatest IQ because he's healthy. And then that all of a sudden creates this, like this disparity between humans. And you're like, how come that guy over there is nine and he gets a bicycle and I don't? And so that's, I think, where this.
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Josh Cider
Ideal, this leftism, Adam Smith noted that in wealth of the nations and noted that unfettered capitalism could lead to really bad things. And so that was laid out there. And so, no, I don't think anyone's advocating, even Milton Free Freedman or Thomas Soul or anyone would advocate for completely laissez fair, unfettered capitalism. But at its base, it works a lot better than these leftist.
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Libby Emmons
We also have in America, we have pretty much the, I would say the only country in the world where you can start out eating dirt, envying your friend's bike, and rise to be a rich man. Right. Rise to be president, rise to be captain of industry. So even with generational wealth, if you look at the way that, that wealth works, it usually only lasts like three generations. That's why in the UK you have all of these aristocrats who are broke. Right? That's like a thing. That's like a, that's like a, a joke. It's like a. It's a joke. It's a joke in the UK because that happens. But here in the US you can be poor, you can grow up poor, and you can rise to the top. And I think that's something that we don't see anywhere else. It's something that we see with the benefit of the social contract. We see that with the benefit of capitalism and with a lot of the social programs that we do have in this country, like for a long time before it got totally infiltrated a really good public education system. You know, I think about my grandparents who were the children of immigrants. My grandmother went to public school in Brooklyn, New York. And in public school she learned opera, she learned Italian, she learned French, she learned all of these things. She graduated early and ended up going to Hunter College, another public school. And she graduated that to become a teacher in Brownsville, Brooklyn. She grew, you know, her parents were, they owned a grocery shop. They had immigrated, they got here with nothing and they managed to end up owning a grocery shop. One thing that happened was my great grandfather opened his grocery shop on 34th street while in Manhattan. And when Macy's came in, Macy's wanted to buy out the whole block. So they bought his grocery shop. He got money from that because he had, you know, he had something he could sell. He moved to Brooklyn, opened a new shop, and then, you know, the next thing, his granddaughter is an attorney, you know, working for the sec. You can work your way up in this country like nowhere else on earth. And so I think that while what you're saying is true about, you know, poverty and all of that stuff and that, that being a problem with capitalism, I think that's true. But I also think that we do have a fix for that here that we haven't seen anywhere else. We can probably keep making it better, but I don't think that we can make it better by pushing equity so that just every kid gets a bike. Because that kid eating dirt, who wants the bike? Maybe he's going to get a summer job. You know, maybe he's going to get a summer job working at 7:11, save up for that bike. He's going to like getting paid every other week and he's going to work hard his whole life. And so that's something too that we're seeing if we, you know, there's a lot of hard working illegal immigrants in this country. Should they all be getting the jobs instead of that poor kid eating dirt, you know, who was like born in Detroit, raised there.
- [43:36]
Phil Labonte
And there's also something, this is a.
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Libby Emmons
Question too, like, can we, can we do better for our citizens?
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Phil Labonte
Yep.
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Libby Emmons
By prioritizing them.
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Phil Labonte
And you know, we are the culmination of our experiences too. So the idea of kids have to learn to go to work and learn to save and learn to do things if you just give them stuff. And we see, we see this Happen a lot with, with. With people that win the lottery and stuff. They don't look at if they're MC Hammer, if you're right, if you're bad with money, if you don't learn how to manage your money and you're just handed a boatload of money, you know, you'll squander it and stuff. And kids that are just handed things, they don't see the same value as when they have to work for it. So I, I do think that, you know, you're. You've got a lot of. There's substance to your point, but I think that, like you said, it's the least bad system that's ever been tried. And I think that it's the only system that really does allow upward mobility.
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Ian Crossland
There's a. The public education system has evolved now, I think, to the Internet like it used to be. You kind of feel like the education was given to you. You're sent to a spot and then it's given to you by the teacher. Now you have to go get it. You have to seek it out and it's there. All the data, it's available to learn for kids. And you don't have to wait for everyone else in your class to figure it out because you can do it as fast as you want now, but you have to go get it. You can't wait for it to be given to you.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, I don't know.
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Libby Emmons
I think that's true.
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Phil Labonte
You don't think that. I mean, in public school doesn't. I mean, the public school still has a, you know, lesson programs and if you go to school. No, they don't.
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Libby Emmons
No. I mean, not really. One thing that public schools have are Chromebooks. Just like. Just like Ford infiltrated LA to make sure that they never had a decent public transit system. You have had Google Chrome books infiltrating public schools so that every kid comes home with a Chromebook and their homework is ixl or any of these, any of these programs where you have the computer teach you. One thing that I think is really missing, and I was talking to my son about this the other day, is I had teachers, right? Like, I remember my teachers and what they taught me. I remember my fourth grade teacher and the way she taught me multiplication tables. You know, Mrs. Fife, it was very difficult. But I remember these teachers that I had who were passionate about teaching and passionate about the information they had and the knowledge that they had and, you know, the books that they loved. I had a teacher in high school, Peter Renka, and He gave us this list of books that were like, you need to read all these books in your life. It wasn't just do this for my class, pass the test. It was these books. And I'll never forget what he told us. He was In World War II, he was a soldier in World War II. And he loved paperback books. He always had a paperback in his back pocket. And he said they fit perfectly and he was never without a paperback book. This is like this kind of teacher who is just passionate. They are, I'm sure, out there, but in a lot of ways they're stifled by this common core computer generated educational programming that it's hard to break out of. And it's hard for kids to find their passion when they're. They're being taught by AI programming well.
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Josh Cider
And they're also being taught, like, propaganda. Me and my brothers were homeschooled our whole lives. So my brothers were yanked out of elementary school. I was like 2 or 3 years old and I was homeschooled my whole life along with my brothers. And that's because in the late 80s and early 90s, I was born in 87. My brothers were already being sent home with propaganda books. And my parents saw the writing on the wall and they knew what was happening. And they were having disputes with the elementary schools called Thomas Paine in Urbana, Illinois, and they said, nope, we're teaching you at home. We've had enough of this. So we're homeschooled our whole life until college. I went to high school for one year, my sophomore year because I begged my parents to let me go. And think about it, that was 20 years ago. And think how far the public education system has fallen since even then. And this all started in the late 80s and early 90s. And it's just going to keep getting worse.
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Phil Labonte
We're going to jump to this story here. Vance clashes with CBS host Margaret Brennan during fiery debate over refugee program paused by Trump. Go ahead and play this. It's very short, but it's worth watching. I don't think we should abandon anybody.
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E
Who'S been properly vetted and helped us.
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Libby Emmons
Do you stand by that?
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E
Well, Margaret, I don't agree that all these immigrants or all these refugees have been properly vetted. In fact, we know that there are cases of people who allegedly were properly vetted and then were literally planning terrorist attacks on our country that happened during the campaign, if you may remember.
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Phil Labonte
Oh, did they cut it out?
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Libby Emmons
I sent you the clip.
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Phil Labonte
You sent it.
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Libby Emmons
Was that not the same one I sent you? A longer.
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Ian Crossland
There are so many good moments from this interview.
- [48:33]
Libby Emmons
It was awesome.
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Ian Crossland
JD Just holds the line, I think Asmongold, if you follow, he's a gaming streamer. Probably the most famous gamer streamer online. He was saying this is the video. This interview is an exemplification of why Vance will be president in 2028.
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Libby Emmons
I just sent it to you again.
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Josh Cider
Well, I told someone. It reminds me of when Matt Gatz was confronted about what? Why he made comments saying that all the people at anti abortion or pro abortion rallies were fat and overweight. And the interviewers good. The interviewer said, don't you think some people would find that offensive? And Matt Gaetz said said be offended.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Josh Cider
And I think that's the line that Vance is taking.
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E
Have been properly vetted. In fact, we know that there are cases of people who allegedly were properly vetted and then were literally planning terrorist attacks on our country that happened during the campaign, if you may remember so clearly, not all of these foreign nationals, but there are 30,000 people in the pipeline. Afghan refugees. But my primary concern as the vice president, Margaret, is to look after the American people. And now that we know that we have vetting problems with a lot of these refugee programs, we absolutely cannot unleash thousands of unvetted people into our country. These people are vetted.
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Josh Cider
These people are vetted.
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E
Just like the guy who planned a terrorist attack in Oklahoma a few months ago. He was allegedly properly vetted and many people in the media and the Democratic Party said that he was properly vetted. Clearly he wasn't. I don't want my children to share a neighborhood with people who are not properly vetted. And because I don't want it for my kids, I'm not going to force any other American citizens kids to do that either.
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Phil Labonte
No.
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Josh Cider
And that was a very particular case.
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Phil Labonte
It wasn't clear if he was radicalized when he got here or while he was living.
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E
I don't really care Margaret. I don't want that person in my country. And I think most Americans agree with me.
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Phil Labonte
So that the I don't care Margaret has already become a meme. I actually retweeted one of my. One of the better memes about it, but I think that that is. It speaks to the opinion of a lot of people in the US Nowadays. They don't really want to hear the excuses from people on the left, the media, who've absolutely destroyed their credibility over the past, you know, five years or so. They don't want to hear your excuses. They don't care. About you rationalizing this or saying, well, you know, if you look at it this way, then crime is down, or if you look at it this way, then blah, blah, blah, they don't care. And I think that JD's, I think JD Vance really kind of, you know, has his finger on the pulse of America.
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Josh Cider
I think the media and the left in general so used to everyone kowtowing to them that they're always shocked when someone's like, no, you're not going to guilt me into anything. And I'm just going to tell you the truth. And I don't care if people are mad about it or you're upset about it. And so I think, again, Trump is kind of setting the standard with his administration of just doing something and making no apologies for it. And I think if you don't play the blame game and the guilt game with the left, they lose a lot of power over you. And I think we're seeing that.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah. That's the thing about shame, is it doesn't do anything.
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Josh Cider
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
If you don't feel guilty about what they're trying to shame you over.
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Phil Labonte
Yep.
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Josh Cider
And I think it's working. And I love it. I love that J.D. vance is doing that. And Trump, I mean, Trump does it on another level, too. So.
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Phil Labonte
So people are. Have. Can you bring that, bring that up, Serge, the. That meme. So people are sharing things like this. And honestly, you know, like I said, I think that this is. This is going to be a meme that's going to have legs. There's. There's a handful of them that have really caught on. And I, I really think. I don't really care, Margaret, is something that you're going to hear a lot from people when it comes to criticizing stuff. You'll see it all over xr. You see it all over X already. But, yeah, I think that. Look, you know, nobody wants to hear the left anymore. They lost big in the election. They lost the presidency, the Electoral College. They lost both the House and the Senate. They don't have the Court, the Supreme Court anymore. And almost every single. I like Kamala. Kamala Harris picked up zero counties, I think. I don't think she picked up one county in the election.
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Libby Emmons
I don't think so.
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Phil Labonte
So it's.
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Libby Emmons
She lost. She lost stuff that Biden had gained.
- [52:54]
Phil Labonte
Oh, yeah. She there. I mean, I think that. I think it was like something like 11 counties in California went Republic.
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Josh Cider
There was one that hadn't been Republican since 1890, and it finally went Republican. If that doesn't show you how ineffective Kamala was. But it's in these people want us to shed tears over the migrants. And it's like there is literally a fentanyl epidemic in our country. People are dying, families are being torn apart. 11, 000 plus migrants here, hundreds of thousands of missing migrant children. 50, 000 illegal migrants in Chicago since August of 2022 and up to 200000 in Chicago, my city right now. And you want me to be make apologies for the fact that we're sending them back? I, again, I just don't play their shame game. Don't feel guilted by them. The only people that should be feel guilty are the ones that are saying these people should be able to come into our country and destroy it. That should apologize. They're the ones that should feel guilty for the fentol epidemic, not us.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, I, I, I don't see, I don't see the, these, the types of things that the left has been, you know, so adamantly pushing. I don't, I don't see them being persuasive anymore. I think not only is it something that your average normie, and by normie I mean the kind of person that you know, consumes maybe an hour of news per week, you know, they grab their news while they're grabbing breakfast as they're also trying to get the kids ready for school or whatever, that person has kind of noticed, hey, this is, this is, you know, the situation that's going on with illegal immigration is bad and, and the, the Republicans messaging has really gotten through. So I think that, that the average normie is, is already on the, the kind of the MAGA side as it is, first of all. And then second of all the, the like Gen Gen Z is really strongly, at least the Gen Z young men are strongly right wing.
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Josh Cider
How post election is the mainstream media still so out of touch with the average person? A lot of us thought they were going to realize the error of their ways and go, you know what? People don't want propaganda, they just want facts. They want us to report the news objectively. How going back to your Normie, how are are is the mainstream media still so out of touch with everyday America?
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Ian Crossland
It's kind of like if there's a bunch of little, I don't know, leeches sucking off of a fish and then the fish dies, there's a little period of time where the leeches continue to suck off of the dead fish.
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Josh Cider
That's a good analogy.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, they're trying to, they're like they're not.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Josh Cider
When will they see the error of their ways? Do you think the mainstream media will ever get that they are out of touch with the average seven months?
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Phil Labonte
Do you? So I feel like, you know, legacy media like msnbc, look, they're not changing. They're always going to be the left. They're.
- [55:45]
Josh Cider
I mean, even if viewership drops 50 like it has been, they're still gonna pedal the same lies.
- [55:51]
Libby Emmons
Well, they, they cut the salaries of Rachel Maddow and Joy Reed and some other people instead. Yeah.
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Josh Cider
So when are they gonna realize that it's not working?
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Phil Labonte
There's probably. There is always going to be some market. Market for that perspective, even if it's not, you know, the dominant message. Right. And I think that. I think it's probably likely that, you know, they're going to live in that space, you know, indefinitely. They've made their, made their brand the left. They're the, the cable news left. And I think it's possible that CNN will move away. I don't know, it might take a little more time. I think CNN doesn't have the same kind of commitment to the left left the way that the, the way MSNBC does.
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Libby Emmons
They've been trying a little harder. Cnn, they got Scott Jennings out there. They've got. What's his name? I forget his name. But anyway, they have a couple of people out there.
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Josh Cider
But then you have people like Cenk and Anna from the Young Turks who have come around and they're like, you know what? No, I'm not with the left anymore. And I, I think more journal Singleton do that?
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Libby Emmons
Sure. Michael Singleton. Yeah, that's good too.
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Phil Labonte
I. So when it comes to Chen and Anna, I feel like Anna might actually become more of a normie. I'm not sure if Cenk is. I think Cenk sees the writing on the wall monetarily. I think Anna. Because Anna has a personal experience or multiple, very personal, you know, like the, the. The whole birthing person thing and getting attacked for just saying that, like, you know, she was getting the whole urinazi. Because that's, you know, the left just goes straight to Urinazi. There's. There's two speed love bomb you. And then as soon as you do something they don't like, well, then you're a Nazi. You're. You're literally hill.
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Libby Emmons
So who are the normies now?
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Phil Labonte
People that don't watch news.
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Libby Emmons
People that don't watch news are the normies.
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Phil Labonte
That's what I think. Yeah. That when I say. And that's because I think that it's normal to not be, like, wrapped up in the news. We live in. We live in a bubble. I think it's.
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Libby Emmons
I think it's really a pleasure, though, when, like, I take Saturdays pretty much entirely off and it's such a pleasure to just be like, just breathe normally.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah. So I think the people that are like, you know, the people that have normal jobs and live normal lives and aren't constantly, you know, they. Maybe they watch sports, but I, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I know that's like just overall sports viewership is down and I'm not sure where those people have gone, but I do think that, like, the normies are the people.
- [58:17]
Libby Emmons
Maybe they're here.
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Phil Labonte
May. I mean, but then I don't think that there's been a significant expansion of, like, the people with a political appetite, has there.
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Libby Emmons
I don't know. I mean, remember when Trump was campaigning and he said, if you vote this time, you don't have to vote again?
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Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Libby Emmons
He was like. He was like, they wigged out. But what he meant was, I'll get the country back on track and you can just chill. You don't have to worry about it.
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Josh Cider
But the left said he wanted to establish a monarchy with those remarks, which was ridiculous. That's what he meant, that he didn't. It's exactly what you said.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, the, the left to. Is, you know, histrionic about everything, but. And I think that most people want that. I really think that people got. Part of the reason why the left got beat so badly is people are tired of, of hearing that everyone's a Nazi, everyone's evil, that the, the people that disagree are. Are, you know, are the spawn of Satan.
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Josh Cider
You're a racist, you're a bigot, you're transphobic for thinking a man can't magically become a woman because he threw on a dress. It's. People are. It's not. It's lame. It's like you said, it's not working anymore. It's just. It's not effective. So I think the left needs to find, maybe debate people on the merits in the facts instead of trying to guilt them with ad hominem attacks all the time. I don't know when the left's going to learn their lesson, but the. They're still doing the same thing.
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Ian Crossland
We'll probably pull this article. Selena Gomez leaned on her emotions and with this crying video and then. And deleted it within, I don't know, six hours or whatever, because apparently her Fans had some backlash. When you see the waves of violence perpetrated by illegal immigration by particularly people that have come into the country illegally, maybe even claiming asylum from somewhere, but just getting in here and then taking over a hotel or killing a girl, that talks to the normies. And the people that aren't like, they're just kind of. They feel instead of thinking, think their way through life a lot of. But that, that makes you think, like, realize, like, okay, let's, let's like, slow down. This, this illegal immigration. I'm going on a little much. Phil's got the video pulled up. This might be worth watching, actually.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah. So from the post, Millennial Selena Gomez cries for Mexicans illegally in the US Facing deportation and now deleted post. All my people are getting attacked. The children. I don't understand. I'm so sorry. Sorry. It's because they were here illegally. Selena. Pop star Selena Gomez took to Instagram in a now deleted video. To laymen, the deportations of illegal immigrants under the Trump administration. Tom Holman, Trump's anointed border czar, has implemented a mass deportation program to remove illegal immigrants who have gone to. Gone on to commit additional crimes during their time in the United States. Selena Gomez, what are you doing hanging out with criminal criminals? Groome has cried on camera, saying, I just wanted to say that I'm so sorry. All my people are getting attacked. The children. I don't understand. I'm so sorry. I wish I could do something, but I can't. I don't know what to do. I'll try everything, I promise. Look again. The people that are being deported at this point, right, they are criminals. They are going and rounding up people that have criminal records that have committed crimes in the United States. And I'm not, not, we're not doing the whole, you know, they're here illegally, so that makes them a criminal. I'm talking about, you know, they, they, they have said that they're getting the worst first. Like, they're, they're getting the people that have committed serious crimes that have been, you know, committed larceny, theft, assault, murder. They're getting those people because those people are in lockup and they're going to the jails and they're saying, do you have any illegals in here? And they're rounding those people up and shipping them out first. So the people that are getting sent away, if they are Selena Gomez's people, Selena, you are hanging out with the wrong crowd. So let's see if we can take a listen to this here.
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Josh Cider
I Just want to say that I'm so sorry. All my people are getting attacked.
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Libby Emmons
Children, they don't understand.
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Josh Cider
I'm so sorry.
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Libby Emmons
I wish I could do something, but I can't. I don't know what to do. I'll try everything, I promise.
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Ian Crossland
I mean, yeah, all my people are getting attacked. The children high act.
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Josh Cider
A lot of high paid, high paid actors.
- [62:50]
Ian Crossland
She's a singer and was pretty so she became famous. She dated Justin Bieber, so she became famous. Became famous. That's who she is.
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Libby Emmons
How she got famous.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, she was Justin's girlfriend when they were like 15 or something. And she's obviously not very intelligent. If she says things like all my people are getting attacked, it's not true. It's hyperbole. It's ridiculous. And she's an emotionally out of control. So just a disturbing, disturbing expression from this person. I'm glad she took it down.
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Phil Labonte
She later deleted the post, but in repost of the video she was roundly mocked on X. Gomez from Texas is of Mexican, Mexican and Italian ancestry, with her grandparents having immigrated to the US from Monterey in the 1970s.
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Ian Crossland
Legally?
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Phil Labonte
Well, I would hope so. I assume legally. Savannah Hernandez says Selena Gomez is a billionaire who is surrounded by security, has zero idea of how dangerous the country has become due to illegal immigration, doesn't care enough about American women or children to say to know they've been getting raped and murdered at the hands of. Of hold on a second here. Hands of her people. And is now crying from the comfort of her mansion about how we're all horrible people are waiting for. For wanting a safer country. Disgusting behavior.
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Ian Crossland
To think my people are the Germans because I'm of German ancestry, for instance. To think that those German people are my people, are my neighbors, are the people that I wake up and see and talk to. Those are my people. The people I'm surrounded by. Bloodline doesn't mean jack, man. You got to get over that crap.
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Josh Cider
Well, and it's symptomatic of the brain rot on the left like we were talking about earlier, where they don't understand what the normal person's going through. We have to deal with the repercussions of these people. I live in Chicago. I see them outside my Whole Foods, outside my Jewel, outside my Mariano's and outside my Target. I saw a girl who couldn't have been more than 11 or 12 years old, who was about eight months pregnant, a migrant begging with her entire family. I see all of this stuff. I'm affected by it. A lot of people listening are Affected by it. Selena Gomez in, in her mansion in Calabasas isn't affected by it. So she can sit there and pontificate and tell us that we're all a bunch of narrow minded, xenophobic bigots, but we're the ones who have to deal with it. And again, I just think maybe her.
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Libby Emmons
Cleaning lady got deported or something.
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Josh Cider
Exactly. They're just so out of touch.
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Libby Emmons
Oh, I peachy. Keenan posted on Twitter that that somebody she knows nanny got deported. So I mean, I get that. I remember when I was in high school and my little brother had a nanny and she was from Poland and she was here illegally and there was all kinds of. She disappeared one day and everyone's like, did she get deported? What happened? She just left, but she didn't say anything. It was weird. But yeah. So I think the other thing about the Selena Gomez video is she's saying all the children. Yeah, and exactly. All the children. Like, exactly. The Biden administration lost what, 340,000 children in the system.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Libby Emmons
DHS doesn't know where they are. HHS doesn't know what they are. Where they are. They haven't necessarily been sending out court notices for these people. You saw with the CBP1 app and the asylum seekers that a lot of asylum seekers coming across with children and whatever else used the same addresses to say that this is where they were going in the US and they were vacant lots, they were warehouses, they were nothing. So, yes, all the children. Selena Gomez. Where are all the children? That's the real question. You know, they've been smuggled across the border. They've been bought and sold.
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Phil Labonte
Everybody that. Everybody around this table's probably seen the sound of freedom. Have you guys all seen it? Yeah, it's. I saw it for the first time recently and it's rough, like, you know, watching the, the movie because all this, apparently all the stuff except for some of the dialogue is all true. And you know, they're Talking about kids 4, 5, 6, 7 years old getting, you know, sexually abused multiple times a day. And that's the reality of the, of the situation at the border. Like, never mind the fact that, you know, 100,000 or whatever Americans have died from fentanyl. Fentanyl. Right. From fentanyl overdoses that have been shipped in by the cartels that they got from. They get the fentanyl from China and they ship it into the U. S. The cartels run it in because it's profitable. But, like, even if you were to get rid of the drug aspect, you still Got like half a million kids that are being trafficked. That's. That's half a million kids that are getting sexually assaulted multiple times a day. Day.
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Josh Cider
Well, where's her tears for Lake and Riley? Where's her tears for, like you said, all the Jocelyn Nungary, the children of parents that have died of Fentanyl? Where's her tears for the people that have to, you know, live with the effects of higher crimes in their city and violent essays that are happening because of this? It's so performative, I think. I think it's all virtue signaling. I don't think there's anything genuine about it. And it almost looks scripted. I mean, it looks like she was trying to cry, but she couldn't really cry, and she was about to laugh in between the sobs. I just think it was totally performative and she thought it would get her some likes.
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Ian Crossland
But to yell out, oh, the children. The children. Like, that's like when the Hindenburg was coming down. And they're like, oh, the humanity. And it's like, become a meme. Think of the children.
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Libby Emmons
That was an early meme.
- [68:12]
Ian Crossland
Yeah. Oh, the humanity. I'm glad she deleted the poet. What happened? Her crowd. Crowd was like, Selena, this is really bad.
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Phil Labonte
Well, she got. She got mocked a lot because honestly, like, this is something that we've talked about here, like, the United States, the people of the United States want to see people. Criminals deported.
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Libby Emmons
That, like, I think it's a huge number of people.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah. Deporting criminals is like a hundred percent deporting. Just deporting illegals in General is like 60 or 70% of the population want to see illegals deported. When it comes to, like, actual criminal aliens, it's approaching 100% of the American people and everybody that pays any attention.
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Josh Cider
Ourselves, only people who don't think they should be deported, is literally the mainstream media. That's the only people.
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Libby Emmons
The MSNBC crowd.
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Phil Labonte
Well, it's. It's the mainstream media, but it's the leftists, because there. There are two groups, right? First of all, they're the leftists that think that you. If you are a. If you cause crime or if you commit crime, you did it because of the. Because of this. Your circumstances, right? So it's not your fault. It's the system that we live in. It's capitalism. It's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then there are the other group that don't want to have a successful society because we're capitalist and it. It capital. Like Marcus says, capitalism delivers the goods. So they want to see as much, as much volatility, as many problems in the society as possible. So that way people will engage in revolutionary activities because happy people do not engage in revolution activity.
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Josh Cider
And it's not a conspiracy. I mean, George soros literally funds DA's for that exact purpose, to wreak havoc and sow discord in civilized societies, not just in America, but he's also ruined the economies of, you know, 10 other countries by shorting against it. So, I mean, it's not a conspiracy to say that. And Saul Alinsky and Rules for Radicals talked about how you can, you know, so discord and dissonance and, and stuff. So all of this stuff is straight out of the playbook. And like you said, the left has a vested interest in ruining this country.
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Phil Labonte
Yep, absolutely. So, I mean, we've been talking about, we've been talking about immigration a lot. Why don't we go ahead and move on to this one here? Nick Sorter was posting on Twitter. President Trump is calling for an end to the federal income tax. He gives the, the, the. Yes, he gives a stamp of approval. Instead of taxing our citizens to enrich foreign nations, we should be tariffing and taxing foreign nations to enrich our citizens. America was great well before the federal income. Federal Government took 30 plus percent of every dollar we earn ended. We're going to go ahead and take a listen to what President Trump had to say.
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F
America is going to be very rich again and it's going to happen very quickly. It's time for the United States to return to the system that made us richer and more powerful than ever before. Do you know the United States in 1870-1913, all tariffs. And that was the richest period, period in the history of the United States, relatively speaking. In other words, relatively. And we, they set up the Great Tariff Commission of 1887. And this commission had one function, what to do with all the money that we took in. It was so enormous that they had no idea. It was a blue ribbon committee. It was set up 1887. And what to do with all of the money that we had. And again, Teddy Roosevelt was a beneficiary because when McKinley was killed, he took over this vast sum of money and he did all of those national parks and all of the other things. And I'm not knocking him, but he was given a vast amount of money and that was all made through tariffs, as we had no income tax. The income tax came in in 1913. As I said in my speech last week, instead of taxing our citizens to enrich foreign nations. We should be tariffing and taxing foreign nations to enrich our citizens. Does that make sense?
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Phil Labonte
Right?
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Libby Emmons
So awesome.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah. So what is, what is the panel's opinion on.
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Libby Emmons
I love it. Although there's one. I mean, yes, I, I personally would like to not pay any income tax at all. That would be, that would be so nice. They take so much money. They're so mean. So not fair. And then even when you file your taxes, taxes and you get an accountant and you pay the accountant to file your taxes because taxes are too complicated a lot of times to file yourself, which also it shouldn't be so complicated that you have to pay somebody else to do it for you. Especially when the government knows how much you owe. Like, why am I doing this? It's like $700 to pay the accountant and then they file the taxes and then the IRS gets back to me and they're like, actually you owe us another $5 million dollars. It's like ridiculous. It's not fair. So on that level, that would be great. On the other hand, it makes sense that Trump loves the Gilded Age, which was really bad for labor. I mean all the Carnegie's and the Rockefellers and all of the robber barons and the train companies, they all got rich off of the backs of people eating dirt and being their friends. Bicycles and you know, not being able to make a decent living. And here in West Virginia, of course, like with the coal miners, you know, that was a big issue too. Like coal miners had. They worked in the coal mines, they lived in housing provided by the company, they paid rent to their landlord, which was their boss, and they got paid a lot of times in scrip, which they could only spend at the company store. Which is why we needed labor unions in the first place, was to liberate people from this indentured servitude. So if we could.
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Phil Labonte
So communist right now.
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Libby Emmons
I, I know, I'm into, I, I think, I think private sector unions are worthwhile. Oh, not public sector unions. But if we could obliterate income tax by making foreign countries pay all of our bills, that would be cool. So long as we don't just exploit a bunch of American workers.
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Phil Labonte
I heard someone talking about a consumption tax as well. Well, is that something that you guys think?
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Libby Emmons
How's that work consumption tax like you buy a boat like Lux tax?
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Phil Labonte
No, no, no, no. So instead of getting, instead of having a, a tax on making money, there's a federal tax on spending money.
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Libby Emmons
So there's a sales tax.
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Phil Labonte
So it's like, like a sales tax on everything.
- [74:35]
Libby Emmons
There should still not be sales tax on food.
- [74:38]
Phil Labonte
Well, what do you guys think?
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Josh Cider
I don't like any kind of tax.
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Phil Labonte
Well, of course not.
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Josh Cider
Who likes taxes? But it's a little socialistic stick to take away 25, 30% of our income. So I'm not a big fan of it. I don't like it. And it disincentivizes people to work hard. You know, you see it all the time in your personal life. It just, why work harder when you're gonna go up in the, you know, and just end up paying? They just take more and then they just take more.
- [75:06]
Libby Emmons
I have a friend never get a raise. You have, well that's get your raise and you're like, oh, there's two dollars more in my paycheck. I got like a ten thousand dollar raise.
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Phil Labonte
That's the thing, as you're approaching the next tax bracket, you're actually incentivized to work less because if go into the next tax bracket, you have to go significantly into the next tax bracket to, to actually make money. Because you'll go into the next tax bracket by, you know, say you go in by $10,000 or whatever and it's like, oh look, you owe an extra $25,000 in taxes. So you literally will, will take home less because you went into another.
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Josh Cider
I have a friend who owns a small business. He's a veteran, It's a veteran owned small business. His name's Ben Wanzer in San Antonio and they do commercial building buildings. And he was telling me not only how much money he was losing because overhead has gone up exponentially in the last four years under Biden to the point that he thought he was gonna have to close a successful business down. But he was scared, as you said, Phil, to go up into the next tax bracket. He said, there's no reason for me, I'm just gonna get hit harder.
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Phil Labonte
So yeah, I mean my, my band, all that remains. Like we, we did a tour in 2022 and then we did another tour just this past in August and September. And the overhead, the expense of the Tour in, in 2024 was significantly more than the expense in 2022. I, I, I was looking at some of the prices that we were paying for things just for man, for, you know, for people. We had, we had fewer people on the crew on this tour because we were, we were doing a support sport tour as opposed to a headline tour. So we weren't carrying our own lighting package and stuff like that. And we still spent more. We spent more money on overhead on this tour than we did on the previous tour. In the previous tour, I think we had like six people on our crew, and on this one we had four.
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Josh Cider
Wow. He said.
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Phil Labonte
And we didn't have a light. Like I said, we didn't have a lighting rig on this one. We had a lighting rig on the other one. So, I mean, like, it was drastically more expensive. On this most recent one.
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Josh Cider
He said the cost of his materials went up 400% under Biden. He said, I can't make a profit, dude. He said, I'm doing all of these big commercial buildings. He does power cleaning. He goes, I can't even make a profit.
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Phil Labonte
Insane. Insane. But I think, I think that, I mean, you know, the libertarian to me is going to say, of course taxation's bad. You know, taxation is actually theft. It's theft of your time. And so, you know, there's, there's not a, there's not a bit of, of getting rid of taxes that I'm going to complain about. I do, I do like the idea of the, of using tariffs. But this is something that I continuously say that people have. They have the idea that taxes pay for things the government wants to do. They have that ingrained in their head. And that is just not the way the system works anymore. The taxation that you pay, the tax money that you pay is destroyed. They don't. You don't pay taxes. So that way the government can fund something. You pay taxes to manage inflation. If the government wants to do something, the government just prints the money. The government, Congress passes a law, says, okay, this is. We're going to appropriate this much money. The Federal Reserve prints it up and just pays for it. So the government doesn't use, it doesn't need to actually tax you to pay for things. The taxation is used to manage inflation. The government has two tools they use. They use the interest rate rate, and they use taxation to manage the money supply. So the government doesn't need to tax you to pay for anything. So the reason they tax is so you have less money because they need to take money out of circulation. So literally, there's no reason for it other than to make the American people poorer. So I'm all for getting rid of the income tax because they absolutely actually don't need it. They just print money when they want to spend money.
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Josh Cider
It might exacerbate inflation.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, look, if you. There is that possibility. But right now, when they, like right now, inflation is, is a problem that's like Sticky because it gets to the point where, when, when whatever you do exacerbates inflation. Right? If you increase the interest rate right, Then that'll actually become inflationary at, at some point. So it's really difficult to get rid of inflation once you've, once you've got that ball rolling. That's why we're still at like, that's why they stopped cutting the interest rates.
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Josh Cider
There's actually a lot of economists in a school of thought that argue exactly that, that you actually make inflation worse when you raise the Fed fund rate and it's actually not making inflation any better and you actually prolong inflation when you raise the rate. And so there's these two schools of thought and a lot of people think it's a settled issue that if you raise the rate it's going to curtail inflation. And that's not the case. It can make it worse.
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Phil Labonte
It's a bet. It's, it's, and I'm not an economist, but it seems to me that the best option is to allow the American people to hold on to their money and actually invest it in their own businesses, in their own lives, go out and do things that spur growth and actually create tangible reality, tangible, profitable things in the country. That's a better, that's a better use of the, of the, the, the money supply than for the government to take it just to destroy it to try to control inflation.
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Josh Cider
That's real trickle down economics.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, look, you know, trickle, the phrase trickle down economics bothers me because that's something that the left came up with. Like supply side economics is a real thing. People say supply side economics is BS but like they're all walking around with the, the most clear evidence that supply side economics works. And that's a smartphone. Most people in here remember before they had a smartphone, they didn't need a smartphone. Now everybody that got a smartphone, the smartphone has become an absolute necessity. Some people can remember the time, a time before they had a laptop and they didn't need it. Now that they have a laptop, they absolutely couldn't live without it. So that right there is evidence that supply side economics works. Just because you didn't know you, like, just because you don't think you need a new thing thing doesn't mean that a new thing that gets developed isn't going to become the most useful thing in your life.
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Libby Emmons
When I was a kid, my mom had all these cigar boxes. I don't know why she had them, but she had all these cigar boxes and me and my Friend Julia, who lived next door, we used to take tin foil and all this other stuff, and we would make laptops out of them. And this was in, like, the mid-80s before laptops existed, and we would pretend we were on a spaceship and that these were our portable computers, and we would, like, do stuff. Stuff.
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Phil Labonte
Look at you. Visionary.
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Libby Emmons
But I don't think it was. My story indicates that it wasn't all that visionary for laptops to be created. Me and Julia wanted laptops long before they were actually invented. And so when finally, like, there were computers and all I wanted was a laptop, and I got my first laptop in 1994, and I was like, finally. Where have you been my whole life? I got an Acer anywhere. Nice little laptop. My dad got it for me, and I was stoked because I'd wanted one since I was, like, 18 years imaginary. Since it was imaginary.
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Josh Cider
Steve Jobs, you're not that smart, buddy.
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Libby Emmons
We all wanted it. But, like, and then also when the. When the iPad, when the, like, ipods came out, I was like, I'm waiting for this in phone form, you know, like, okay, Because I think. I think there are some. I think there are. Are some technological advancements that we are all just waiting for. Like, we're all just waiting for proper jet packs, you know, like, we still kind of want them.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, I. I like the idea, but the.
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Libby Emmons
The flying cars, there's a lot of stuff, I think, that we have collectively imagined that we're all just kind of, like, ready for that to be the next thing.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, I. I want a flying.
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Libby Emmons
Car more than I want a driverless car.
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Phil Labonte
I love the. I like the idea of a flying car.
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Libby Emmons
I mean, the traffic would get worse and the cr. Be more.
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Phil Labonte
I don't know that the traffic would get worse, but I. I don't. I wonder how. See, the thing is, like, everyone that drives now, like, 99 of the people that drive only know three rules of the road. Right? They know the red light. Red light means stop. They know that, like, yellow means fast. Yeah. And. And that's, like, all. Nobody knows what the word yield even means.
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Libby Emmons
No one knows how to merge.
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Phil Labonte
No one knows how to merge. No one knows what the word yield means. Means. No. You. I guarantee, like, 9 out of 10 people don't know what the difference between yellow lines and white lines are. They don't know the difference between, like.
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Libby Emmons
This is a benefit to having learned how to drive in my 40s. Well, is that, like, what.
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Phil Labonte
Oh, yeah, New York.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah. Is that. I took my driving test like, you know, just a couple years ago, so I remember all of that stuff. And because I learned how to drive in Brooklyn, like, my first highway driving was the bqe. It's like I know the rules inside and out.
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Phil Labonte
People can't even, like, I may not.
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Libby Emmons
Be a great driver, but I at least know the rules.
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Phil Labonte
There's so many people that can't even, like, deal with a roundabout or a rotary.
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Josh Cider
Roundabouts are confusing, though. Defense even I almost got into.
- [84:26]
Phil Labonte
You're both wrong. You're both wrong. They're way better than a four way stop or a la light.
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Josh Cider
It depends what city you're in. In Boston, there's roundabouts actually in Cape Cod, and those are easy to navigate, but whenever I'm in Wisconsin and I get on one, I always get turned around. Yeah, my GPS kind of freaks out.
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Libby Emmons
Well, the gps, the GPS says take the third exit and you're like. But I don't even know how many exits there are on this damn thing. How do I, where do I start counting? Do I start counting right now or do I start counting at the first one I hit?
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Josh Cider
I want to know who invented the round.
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Libby Emmons
I've ended up just going around for.
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Phil Labonte
A while before my, my Tesla. My Tesla navigates the roundabouts without a problem at all. It's incredible.
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Libby Emmons
Well, I just drive a normal car, so I have to figure it out with my own brain.
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Phil Labonte
You should be able to figure it out. You can, you know, you can do things like write pieces for the Post Millennial.
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Libby Emmons
You should be able to do this writing. Writing is easy. Roundabouts are annoying.
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Phil Labonte
No, they're not. You're wrong. Who's the Pierre Le F font? French guy, 1790s. Why are we, why are you guys.
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Libby Emmons
History of the roundabout.
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Ian Crossland
Nice thing about the roundabout is you don't have to exit. You can just stay on the roundabout. You can't really miss your exit. You just don't want to take one too soon. So, like, take your time, get familiar with the roundabout, read the signs, let.
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Libby Emmons
Everyone else yield and merge in. Yeah.
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Phil Labonte
All right, so we're gonna go to this last, this last little bit here to kind of wrap it up. Roz alerts is is saying that breaking Google Maps has announced it will update its platform to reflect changes introduced by President Trump, renaming the Gulf of Mexico as the Gulf of America and displaying Mountain McKinley instead of Denali. Look, man, you can just do things when you're the President of the United States and the world complies. I, I, this is, I personally, I think this Goes, this speaks to, you know, what we were talking about earlier, how, like, if you just say, no, we're going to do this, you can really shift the Overton window about what is and is not possible. Because to be honest with you, when I heard the Gulf of. Gulf of America, I laughed and I was like, that would be hilarious. Yes. So did Hillary Clinton.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah.
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Phil Labonte
But at the same time, like, like, nobody's laughing anymore, because there you go. Google Maps is going to do it. And to be honest with you, when you hear a lot of the stuff that Donald Trump said says, at first glance, you're kind of like, what?
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Libby Emmons
Ha ha.
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Phil Labonte
But then you hear about the reasoning behind it, and you're like, oh, whether it be Greenland or whether it be the. The Panama Canal, and you hear what's going, you know, the situation surrounding both of those, you're like, oh, okay, maybe it does make sense. You know, Greenland is in North America, not in Europe. And Greenland, the. The ice sheets are melting and, and the US Is really gonna. You know, you don't want China and Russia controlling those.
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Libby Emmons
Never mind Denmark.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah. I mean, well, Denmark doesn't have the military to do it. United States, that has to do it. In fact, In World War II, the United States was like, denmark, this is yours. But actually it's ours for now because we don't want the Nazis taking it. You know, that was a real. A real risk, you know, So, I mean, the idea that, you know, you can't do things like, especially something simple like changing denali back to Mount McKinley and, and changing the name of the Gulf of. Of Mexico to the Gulf of America.
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Libby Emmons
I love Gulf of America.
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Phil Labonte
I love it.
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Josh Cider
Sounds better.
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Libby Emmons
I want some Gulf of America merch.
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Ian Crossland
The only downside is it's four syllables instead of three. Three. Mexico is. It's easier to say it, but not enough. I get the meaning.
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Josh Cider
I guess every time Trump does something, I'm like, why hasn't anyone done that before? It was kind of easy and simple. It's because he just doesn't care who he offends. And I think we needed a leader like that.
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Phil Labonte
Well, that's.
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Libby Emmons
I don't really care, Margaret.
- [88:12]
Josh Cider
Yep.
- [88:12]
Phil Labonte
Yeah, that's.
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Libby Emmons
I mean, I think he's running in 2028, and I think that solidifies it.
- [88:18]
Phil Labonte
That's. That. That would be great.
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Libby Emmons
I don't really care, Margaret. Shirt.
- [88:22]
Josh Cider
I would be enthusiastically vote for JD Vance if he win in 2020.
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Phil Labonte
He's a very smart guy, but I mean, the, the. The. Again, the idea that, you know, the World does bend to the will of the leader that says, I'm going to do this, particularly when it's literally, it's small stuff like, so in the United States, we call it the Gulf of America. Another, like Mexico might continue to call it the Gulf of Mexico, like, as long as Mexico gets to remain a sovereign nation. But, but who knows how long that's going to be, you know, and if it doesn't matter if other countries call it other things, the United States can say, hey, this is what we call it here.
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Josh Cider
I think we're the biggest superpower in the world, economically and militarily, and I think we should act like it. And it, I'm actually proud to be American. I feel like there's actually pride in something to be proud of now because we actually act like the superpower we are. And I'm just kind of disappointed that it took us this long to, to act this way.
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Ian Crossland
I like this because it's not a nat. It's taken it away from the nationalistic aspect of the gulf that it belongs to a country and it's re. Establishing it as a continental gulf. It's the North South American Gulf.
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Phil Labonte
You can think that, but I think that the most of America thinks, you know, if, if they, if President Trump had said we're going to call it the Gulf of the United States, I think Americans would have been like, yeah.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, Mexico's official name is the United States of Mexico. That's the official name of their country.
- [89:51]
Phil Labonte
Is it really?
- [89:51]
Ian Crossland
Yeah, it's the US of them.
- [89:53]
Phil Labonte
I'm glad that they, they don't tell people that because that's encroaching on our bunch of, yeah.
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Ian Crossland
Our ip, our national ip. So I'm open to this. I'm going to frame it as we've done it for the continent. That way people will lay off if we see. Keep saying it's our golf now. It's, we belongs to the United States of America. Like, we're all Americans here. The Mexicans are Americans, the South Americans are all Americans.
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Josh Cider
You know, South America, they keep coming into our country like they own it.
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Phil Labonte
I disagree with you. And, and the, the, the point that Josh makes is exactly, is exactly why. I disagree with which point? The, that we're, we're not all Americans because, because South America and North America. And the reason I disagree with that is because when people think of, of America, the United States like that, when they think that, oh, we're, it's just, you know, two Americas, it's, it's everybody in America is Allowed to go to America. America. Then you get a rationalization that says, oh, we can just travel to the United States and get in for, you know, get in for no reason, because we just want to be there. Because it's. We're all the same.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, that's like Germans are European, but you don't have a right to go illegally immigrate to Germany from France. Like, you need to go through the proper channels. It was a little egotistical of us in the United States or somebody to call ourselves. We are the United States of America. And those other people in North America, America can call themselves something.
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Phil Labonte
We started.
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Ian Crossland
We're the ones of America.
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Phil Labonte
We started calling ourselves the United States of America. Like before there was any other country. Like, Mexico wasn't a country at the time and. And Canada wasn't a country at the time either. They were all, you know, they were. They were colonies. There was still back when Mexico was a colony of Spain and Canada was a colony of Britain. There was an offer to Mexico to can Canada to join the United States. So the United States of America, we united against the British because we were the colonies of America. And then we were like, yo, we're the United States of America. That. So we were the. We were the United States before anyone.
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Ian Crossland
That's a good point.
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Libby Emmons
So, yeah, not only that, if anybody recognized somewhere else as America, we'd know about it. But they don't.
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Phil Labonte
Yep.
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Libby Emmons
Like we're.
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Ian Crossland
Well, like in Chile.
- [92:03]
Libby Emmons
Well, like, if you say America anywhere in the world, what do people think you're talking about?
- [92:07]
Ian Crossland
United States of America?
- [92:08]
Libby Emmons
Well, there you go. So that's what we are.
- [92:10]
Ian Crossland
But it's still, it's not accurate.
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Phil Labonte
Like Chileans are Americans.
- [92:12]
Libby Emmons
You know, might makes right.
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Ian Crossland
Sometimes you got to just, just be literal with it. Like, French people are Europeans. It's not an insult.
- [92:19]
Phil Labonte
But there's no place called. There's no place where you're. Where they think of themselves as Europeans. They think of themselves as French or German or Polish or whatever. They're all like, there's like the United States. The only place where we call ourselves American. Like, it's not like people in Europe think. Call themselves European. They call themselves whatever their respective country is.
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Josh Cider
They're Italians or friends, and they're allowed to do that. But if we're proud to be an American, we're just a nationalistic Nazi.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, I don't think. Well, I know you're being, you're being facetious. I don't think there's any. I don't Think that the, that being a nat. Being a nationalist means you're a Nazi at all. I think that's a, that's a, a leftist meme.
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Josh Cider
I just think it's interesting that everyone else should be proud of where they live and of their country. But if we are proud of it, the left seems to have a problem with.
- [93:12]
Phil Labonte
Oh, the left has. Left has a problem all the time. So. Hey, you guys want to go to.
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Ian Crossland
Super Chats every day, dude?
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Phil Labonte
Yep, every day we're going to go to Super Chats. So smash the like button, Share the show with your friends, go to timcast.com, join up and you'll be able to join us for the after show. But right now we're gonna go to some super chats and we're gonna start with the Emperor's champion says it's all fun and games for the cartels until the A10 shows up and goes. And it's a big long one.
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Ian Crossland
So that's why you explain what the A10 is. Exactly.
- [93:48]
Phil Labonte
A10 is the, is a flying tank. It's a. It's an airplane built around a gun. Gun. And the Bert is the, the sound the gun makes.
- [93:58]
Libby Emmons
Wow.
- [93:58]
Phil Labonte
Because it's. I think it's like something like 4, 000 rounds.
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Ian Crossland
This is the Thunderbolt 2.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Libby Emmons
10.
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Ian Crossland
The Fairchild Republic A10 Thunderbolt 2.
- [94:06]
Phil Labonte
It is.
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Ian Crossland
Single seat, twin turbofan, straight wing, subsonic attack aircraft.
- [94:11]
Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Josh Cider
I feel like the pilot's gonna feel the kickback on that one.
- [94:14]
Phil Labonte
Well, the, the main gun slows the plane down.
- [94:18]
Josh Cider
Wow.
- [94:18]
Phil Labonte
No joke.
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Josh Cider
Like, that is insane.
- [94:20]
Ian Crossland
Oh, this is a warthog. Okay.
- [94:22]
Phil Labonte
The war, the, the warthog. We. When they let go of the. A burst from the main gun, it actually slows the forward momentum of the plane down.
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Josh Cider
Whoa. You said that's an A10 film?
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Phil Labonte
A10 Thunderbolt 2. The Warthog, it's a tank killer. Awesome shooting, depleted uranium rounds. 30. I think it's a 30 or 40 mm cannon.
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Josh Cider
We should have been using this five years ago.
- [94:44]
Ian Crossland
30 mm. GAO GAU 8 Avenger Rot.
- [94:48]
Phil Labonte
It was literally like it was built around the gun. They built the gun and then they're like, let's make this gun fly.
- [94:55]
Josh Cider
That's crazy.
- [94:55]
Ian Crossland
So they were like, all right, 1977 is when they built this thing.
- [94:59]
Phil Labonte
Yeah. And that's the. I mean, ground troops love that thing because it's such a, an amazing air support fighter or attack plane.
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Josh Cider
How do you have so much military knowledge? Were you in the military?
- [95:11]
Phil Labonte
Watch a lot of stuff, man.
- [95:12]
Josh Cider
Your knowledge is I just watch a.
- [95:14]
Phil Labonte
Lot of stuff on, it's just cool stuff. Stuff man.
- [95:16]
Josh Cider
History channel or history.
- [95:17]
Phil Labonte
Oh, YouTube too.
- [95:18]
Josh Cider
Okay.
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Ian Crossland
You know, so it's an air support attack. Do they, is it air to air? Do they use it?
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Phil Labonte
Not really. I mean I, I, I believe that it carries, it can carry hellfires. So it, it ostensibly could, but it doesn't like it wouldn't take on like jet fighters because they're, they're like, they just, they don't have the maneuverability and the speed that you know, like actual like fighter jets have. So like it could, if it had like hellfires on it, it would probably use them to take out helicopters. But like I don't think that it could actually take out a fighter jet. Like an actual jet designed for air to air combat, like an interceptor or something like that. So just because I'm free says HR38 of the 119th Congress is in committee. It's for a national constitutional carry. Call your senators and representatives for folks let's legally carry everywhere. The Constitution says that you have the right to keep and bear arms and that right shall not be infringed. The Constitution has the supremacy clause saying that everything that's in the Constitution takes supremacy over all of the any state laws. And so that means that the second amendment takes precedent over any state prohibitions. The prohibitions are infringements. So call your representative and tell them to support HR38 National Constitutional Carry because it's your right and the states have no right to infringe upon your right to carry a weapon to defend yourself. There you go. Joe Fiotta says Phil, it's my son Roman's 10th birthday this weekend and he asked to listen to no Tomorrow every morning on the way to school. Can you wish him a happy birthday please? Roman, happy birthday. You have absolutely impeccable taste in heavy metal. I am so happy to hear that you enjoy all that remains music. I really appreciate you man. So let's, let's see, what do we got here? Jason Dixon says Ian saw you on the it's based gaming jam cast the other day. P.S. no, what P.P.S. don't see, don't Andrew is an A hole.
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Ian Crossland
Oh, Andrew, Andrew Wilson. Well, I mean maybe, I don't know. I love the guy. Yeah, we had a good time doing its base game jam. Every, every few months we'll do a, a session where a bunch of developers will get together build video games. We had 40 entries this time this month and they go through a series of of judges and people judging the games. And then they come to the finals where Andrew and I were both judges and we. We judged the top five finalists. It was a lot of fun at on its base game, its base jam gaming if you want to check it out. Highly recommend. It's super fun to be a part of it and we'll be doing it again too, so keep your eyes on it. And I tweeted it out if you want to link directly to the show, it's on my Twitter.
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Phil Labonte
Isaiah S says asking for prayers for my daughter again. We've been in the ICU for 273 days. She was extubate extubated for the first time two months ago and was re intubated today. It's been a long, scary day. More in the discord, religion general. So yeah, if you are of the praying type, give. Keep Isaiah S's daughter in your thoughts and prayers.
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Josh Cider
We're rooting for you.
- [98:41]
Phil Labonte
For you.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, there's been a lot of. I've. I've had a lung infection for about two weeks. I don't know about you guys. If you've been feeling under the weather at all. I see a lot of people tweeting about it.
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Josh Cider
When I was flying here, I was just talking outside the studio that everybody was wearing masks and everybody was coughing at the airport and my brother was just sick, as was my nephew. So I think it's. Something's going around.
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Ian Crossland
I wonder if it's stress. I wonder if people are feeling stress and their immune systems are.
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Josh Cider
They shouldn't. Donald Trump's president.
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Libby Emmons
I'm really allergic to my cat and I keep forgetting to take allergy pills. And then I'll be sneezing and I'll have trouble breathing and I'll be like.
- [99:13]
Ian Crossland
Oh, right, I couldn't get enough water.
- [99:15]
Libby Emmons
You can't get rid of your kid's cat.
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Phil Labonte
You just, oh, it's your kid's cat.
- [99:19]
Libby Emmons
Yeah, yeah. But of course she sleeps in my room.
- [99:22]
Josh Cider
You can't get rid of any cats.
- [99:25]
Libby Emmons
My dumb cat.
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Phil Labonte
JRG project says ICE should start playing the classic Pokemon theme at their hq. Gotta catch them all. A wild cartel member appeared. CBP used raids. It's super effective. Or bring back the Iraqi regime. Card deck back in the on the odds. This cannon should be fun. You are a malicious, malicious young man.
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Josh Cider
I forgot about the Iraqi cards. My dad had Osama bin Laden toilet paper that we used after the 911 and I. I was a kid, I was like, I don't know, 13 years old. And I remember using it.
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Phil Labonte
Well, he's Dead.
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Libby Emmons
So, yeah, I was a kid.
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Josh Cider
I thought you meant my dad because my dad, my dad died. I thought you're talking about my dad. I was like, I mean, he wasn't that bogus for doing that. It was Osama bin.
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Phil Labonte
I didn't know your father had passed away.
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Josh Cider
He did, but it's fine. Rest in peace, Henry.
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Ian Crossland
I love you, Henry.
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Libby Emmons
Good name.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, it is.
- [100:24]
Libby Emmons
Yeah.
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Josh Cider
He's a junior and they just named a gun range after him in Danville, Illinois. So I'm from Champaign, Urbana and they just named the gun range Henry John Cider Jr. Gun range. It's like 100 to 200 yard rifle range. So they just named it after my father.
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Phil Labonte
I didn't realize that they had gun ranges in Illinois. I thought guns were all elite.
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Josh Cider
So they had St. Joe, Illinois, which is just one town over. And then Danville was where my dad liked to go in the latter part of his life. So he'd go there like every other day pretty much.
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Phil Labonte
Nice. Let's see. Wyatt Caldenberg says Phil, I lived in lived southeast of Tijuana during the cartel wars. There is little difference between the cartels and Mexican government. Government. If Trump declares the cartels terrorist, doesn't that mean the Mexican government is too? Well, I don't know that if it means that the Mexican government is too. But the United States does have many levers of power at its disposal and it is quite influential. And I do think that the United States could persuade the Mexican government to side with the United States as opposed to siding with the. The cartels if it really, really wanted to. So whether, whether the government currently is. I do think that the United States could eventually, over time, clean up Mexico significantly. It might take more, I guess, U. S. Involvement in Mexico's politics than the average American is thinking that we should could. But I do think that it's possible. So let's see. Glory Farm. Knox says I posted in the discord and wanted to post here too. Our farm is having a seed kit giveaway. Head over to our YouTube and fill out the form and select the kits you're interested in. Thanks y'all for the support. So that's Glory Farm. What is it? Glory Farm. Glory Farm knocks. So, yeah, if you're interested in. In getting a. A kit seed kit for growing. I assume it's growing vegetables. I don't know if they're heirloom vegetables or if they're. I assume that it's probably heirloom vegetables. It's not the Monsanto ones that don't you know, don't reproduce.
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Libby Emmons
Those are, that's just evil. Evil.
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Phil Labonte
It is kind of evil, I agree. But you can still find heirloom stuff out there. It's, it's, you know, I, I mean, if you go and buy your regular seeds from, you know, whatever the, the whatever nursery you, you know, that's around, you might end up with Monsanto zombie seeds. But if you, if you do a little digging on the Internet, I'm sure that you can find some seeds that are not Monsanto eyes.
- [103:21]
Ian Crossland
That's so nuts that a company was so influential they genetically modified seeds to grow vegetables that don't have seeds so that they have the control of the supply.
- [103:30]
Phil Labonte
That is, it's so cruel.
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Ian Crossland
Devil.
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Libby Emmons
And then people, like farmers would take the free seeds and then grow them and it would not be sustaining. They couldn't grow anymore. It was, it's so cruel.
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Josh Cider
My grandpa actually worked for them and he was part of a class action lawsuit against them for a long time. Really?
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Libby Emmons
What happened?
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Josh Cider
I don't. It was something that he was poisoned some time. Yes, Senior, exactly. Still alive. 95 turned 95 last Saturday and he was exposed to some toxicity from working through Monsanto. So while I was a young kid, we'd always get letters from him talking about this class action lawsuit that was happening against them.
- [104:08]
Libby Emmons
Wow.
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Phil Labonte
All right, let's see. Hal Gailey says capitalism only causes trouble when the state discounts rights to support corporate profiteering. True capitalism respects rights as it's built on them. Well, I do think that for the most part, that's generally right. There are times where I think that there might be some incentives that need to be adjusted. But generally I do think that, you know, property rights really do cover a lot of things, especially when you don't have the ability to, to influence legislators to infringe on other people's property rights in, in your favor.
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Ian Crossland
So Libby made a good point earlier about the script when the companies were completely out of control. I mean, you could say out of control or in control maybe is the way to look at it. Like at the end of the 1800s and they would pay their employees in their own currency that they would create. So like, think crypto these days days, and you could only spend that currency at the company store. They were like, it was like slave labor they had basically through capitalism.
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Phil Labonte
So I do agree that, that at the time that was a problem, but I don't think that that kind of problem is possible nowadays. Again, you mentioned cryptocurrency, the, the ability to, to purchase other forms of currency and to, to move around and leave, like, and leave and go to a different place and stuff. Stuff that, that's something that they didn't have, you know, back in the late 1800s. And so I guess conditions in the late 1800s I think were unique because.
- [105:50]
Ian Crossland
If a, if a company offered you crypto, their company crypto, you could trade it on, on the blockchain change. Yeah, hopefully, ideally.
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Josh Cider
But I do think incentives run in both directions. And not only do corporations and owners need to be incentivized, but so do workers. And if their wages aren't keeping up with corporate profits, and corporate profits are up by a multiple of a thousand and worker wages have stayed stagnant, they're not going to be incentivized to want to work or join the labor force. And I think we're kind of seeing that. So I do think it's important to not only incentivize business owners, but incentivize the workers through higher wages or wages that at least keep up with inflation and maybe kind of track profits of a company, some kind of profit sharing thing that is still capitalistic, but the workers are incentivized. I think we could kind of work something out. And some companies have started sharing profits with the workers and it seems to be working.
- [106:43]
Libby Emmons
And again, I funny is the only reason that health insurance benefits became part of an employment package is because FDR froze wages and said you couldn't have any raises. So companies were trying to figure out how to incentivize workers. And so they were like, we'll give you health insurance but benefits. And now it's. That's how it got stuck to employment. So all, all the progressives complaining about how it stuck to employment, it's like, but it was you guys. You stuck it to employment.
- [107:11]
Phil Labonte
Literally. FDR's fault that you can't afford to get, you know, your, your teeth cleaned or to get your bones set or whatever. It's literally FDR's fault. It is because of the Democrats.
- [107:22]
Libby Emmons
So you're wild.
- [107:23]
Josh Cider
Everything's the Democrats fault.
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Phil Labonte
It generally is. Yeah. Ben Hickson says. Hey Phil Cast. Have you read the True Believer by Eric Eric Hoffer? Apparently revolutions happen when the, when things are getting better. Last episode was great. I have not read that, but I am interested now. So tweet that at me and I'll take a look. Dante's Inferno says I am a legal Mexican citizen. Zen citizen, as in that's literally how he spelled it in the US And I hate that because of those who refuse to respect the law of the U.S. my chances of naturalization may eventually be jeopardized. That's a legitimate, legitimate gripe. Like the people that are here trying to, that have come to the United States legally that are trying to do the things the right way, the fact that they're getting pushed back and they have to wait and the other people jump the line and, and people that come here the right way are getting, you know, end up with the, you know, with the, the problems and, and having to deal with that, that is absolutely terrible. And it's something that I wish that we could fix immediately. Immediately.
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Josh Cider
Well, they've even done polls and the majority of legal Mexican immigrants and Mexican Americans want us to deport the migrants. The majority of them voted for Trump for that exact reason. And of course, the Democrats want to discount them and would never put them on TV or in a news article, but the majority of legal Mexican Americans want us to deport illegal migrants. So that kind of speaks volumes.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, I, I do think that, you know, it would be beneficial to America if you got the people that want to be here and that would go about it the right way, if you got them into the US first, and, and hopefully the deportations continue. Let's see.
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Josh Cider
Dr. Phil, we need you in Chicago. Stay there a couple weeks.
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Phil Labonte
Dr. Phil and Tom home kicking indoors. Kenneth Hart says, my wife immigrated from Philippines last year. Here she heard Filipinos were making a hasty retreat back home. When asked how she felt about countrymen overstays, she shrugged, commenting, back of the line is over there, people. Good for her.
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Josh Cider
Love it.
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Phil Labonte
Good for her. You know, the, the more, the more you have people coming here legally and, and pushing the, the illegals out, the better, the better. I like it. Let's see, let's see here. Super chats. Invader J says Freedom Tunes needs to make a tune of JD Prank calling Margaret with the name Willard McBain. It's me again, Margaret. I think, I think that would be great. Seamus, if you're watching, that would be a, an absolutely wonderful episode. And you could, you know, toss Margaret into the crystals at the end, too.
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Libby Emmons
Are you there, J.D. it's me, Margaret.
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Phil Labonte
Into the Crystal Nunya B. Says. Haven't watched mainstream sports really since 2020. Instead, watch the DW and Tim cast mostly. Well, we appreciate that, thank you. Hopefully you're a member@timcast.com hopefully you smash the like button. Share the show with your friends as well. Let's see here. Jason Hutchinson says production creates wealth. Production of things to buy that people Want to buy because it makes life more efficient, makes the dollar more valuable. Yeah, things like the, it's the supply side, you know, supply side economics argument. The idea that the pie is not a finite pie, the pie can be grown, that it's not a zero sum game, that it's better to create things and in that creation sometimes you'll destroy other industries, but that's better overall for everybody generally.
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Josh Cider
And a lot of people complain that well, capitalism can't fix these great inequalities and wealth. Well, neither can socialism.
- [111:22]
Phil Labonte
Nope.
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Josh Cider
So I want to see where socialism has a panacea for poverty and inequalities and wealth. So just because capitalism can't fix it perfectly, you need to show me a system that can do it best better.
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Phil Labonte
Criticisms of capitalism are always based, they're always comparing capitalism to a perfect society that has never existed and that actually can't exist because we are limited humans in the real world. Like the, the idea that, oh well, capitalism did this and that especially one of the memes that you see a lot is, you know, all the, the deaths under capitalism which was in response to the deaths under socialism because socialism have, Socialists have been killed by their own governments, by famines created by the actions of their own governments, the, the top down decrees of their own governments. And so in response, communists say things like, oh, a bajillion gorillion people have been killed because there's not clean water and a garrillian people have been killed by curable diseases and blah blah, blah. And it ends up being, what they're saying is, well, capitalism has, hasn't solved all of the problems of the human condition. So you know, there, there is starvation that still happens even though capitalism has just about solved abject poverty. Right.
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Libby Emmons
I think that there's fuels, fossil fuels helped with that.
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Phil Labonte
Well, yeah, sure, absolutely. But the, the, the idea that, that we're almost to the point where nobody lives by what the UN considers abject poverty anymore. Everyone on Earth, I think it's like less than 10 of the Earth of Earth's population is actually that poor nowadays. And it's all because of markets. It's because of markets and because of trade and you know, because of, of being able to, you know, fertilize crops with petroleum fertilizers, petroleum based fertilizers and stuff, petrochemicals and stuff. So even though, you know, capitalism isn't perfect and doesn't solve the fact that human existence means you're going to suffer, but you know, it doesn't, it's like the, the, the communists don't have the solution either.
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Ian Crossland
I wanted to add a little nuance to the super chatter who said production. I believe what he said was production. Increasing production increases wealth. That it was a direct correlation. But, but you need to run an opportunity cost of production. So if you build a factory that builds paperclips or whatever, if the cost and destruction of your surroundings in order to create that factory outweighs the value of the factory itself, then the production actually reduced wealth. So like at what cost? Always ask yourself that when you're dealing with how you're producing things. At what cost? It's called opportunity cost in microeconomics.
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Josh Cider
That's a good point man.
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Phil Labonte
I like like that dead eye says Phil. Roundabouts are unamerican. Still love you though. No, they are not unamerican. I have been, I've been a roundabout fan as long as I've been driving cars and that's longer than I want to admit because I am an old man.
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Ian Crossland
What's your favorite thing about the roundabout?
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Phil Labonte
The fact that there's no stop sign?
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Josh Cider
The fact there's a yield. There's a yield everywhere.
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Phil Labonte
Yield means that you can go ahead and ease your way in, you know, have to stop and sit there and.
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Josh Cider
People get confused by that yield sign. In the roundabout though, people get confused.
- [114:44]
Phil Labonte
By a lot of things. People get confused by push doors or.
- [114:48]
Josh Cider
Pull doors or who a man is and who a woman is. Never know.
- [114:52]
Phil Labonte
They get confused about what a penis is for.
- [114:53]
Josh Cider
So you never know.
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Phil Labonte
But no, I, I, I will stand by this. Roundabouts are a net good for society and they are not. They're not a and even if they are, if, if they're not, not from America, they're still a great idea. They're better than four way stops. K. Spencer Jones with more of the roundabout blasphemy. Roundabouts are communism. No they're not. No they're not.
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Ian Crossland
Everybody working together for common good.
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Josh Cider
Take over the means of production communism.
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Phil Labonte
Ian Kenny says roundabouts are only Roundabouts only suck for people who can't drive. Yes, my brother.
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Josh Cider
You sounded like Hulk Hogan there.
- [115:34]
Phil Labonte
Let me tell you brother, I like them.
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Ian Crossland
Every once in a while you come up on a roundabout that's hard to see. Have you ever experienced that? Like at night it's dark, it's not lit very well and it's like there's no sign, there's no stop sign.
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Libby Emmons
So I was recently going around a roundabout and I saw it was it's been snowing a lot, right? And it was just tire tracks directly across the roundabout. And I was like someone, someone missed.
- [115:56]
Phil Labonte
There kind of guy.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah, just directly across. So you like the roundabout but you'd rather just drive through it?
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Phil Labonte
Well, I wouldn't want. I mean, it depends on what I'm driving. If I'm driving the Jeep, I'll just drive through it. It's fine. I've got plenty of clearance. If I'm driving the Tesla, it's low to the ground. I wouldn't drive strive through it. So. But the Jeep, you know, I don't.
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Libby Emmons
Know what anybody was driving. Well, so I didn't see him, just saw the tracks.
- [116:16]
Phil Labonte
JT says roundabouts are superior. A lot of roundabouts isn't getting a lot of roundabout.
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Ian Crossland
You influencing the super chat choices tonight?
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Phil Labonte
I. Look, man, Serge is actually selecting them for me, so.
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Ian Crossland
So people bullish on roundabouts.
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Phil Labonte
You know, I've been. We're doing a lot of, of of super chats tonight, so roundabouts are glorious.
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Ian Crossland
I'm just going to say now the full stop. If you don't come to a complete stop, the cops can pull you over. Keep that in mind. I mean, a total incomplete stop at stop sign. Yeah, that rolling stop can get.
- [116:43]
Phil Labonte
Exactly. Yeah. So you don't have to worry about that.
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Josh Cider
Chicago. It's in Chicago. It's always a rolling stop in Chicago.
- [116:52]
Phil Labonte
It's dangerous to actually stop. Right.
- [116:54]
Josh Cider
Half of them don't have driver's license because they snuck in anyways.
- [116:58]
Phil Labonte
So RD says Biden's last moves in office made it illegal to drill for oil in the Gulf of America. On the Gulf of Mexico. It's not illegal to drill in the Gulf of America. And I heard someone make this action, make the statement. It is possible that the change of name was to get around Biden's executive order.
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Josh Cider
You don't think it designated a specific geographic area and that's what it's tied to.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, look, I, I didn't read the executive order that Biden put out, but if they said the Gulf of Mexico, then technically it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist anymore. It's the Gulf of America. So I mean, look, and I mean, maybe I would love that for it to be that much of a pedantic issue, like just, oh, well, we just. You thought that, you thought that you were going to do this. We're just going to go ahead and change the name if I understand correctly. And again, this is only, you know, wave to tops. Understanding. I didn't read into it or anything, but if I understand Correctly, the. The executive order that Biden made regarding drilling in the Gulf of Mexico was comprehensive and it would cause a lot of legal problems for the Trump administration to actually start drilling in the Gulf. So if it is true, knew that that executive order was problematic for the administration and they just changed the name to get around it. That is probably. I mean, I want to believe it.
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Josh Cider
Would make it make sense because I was like, why is that like Trump's top priority, renaming the Gulf of Mexico. But now it kind of makes sense.
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Ian Crossland
Also if they could develop a tool other than a drill to get in there and dig out the oil.
- [118:45]
Phil Labonte
Space laser.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, like lasers. Then like, we're not actually drilling, we're just cutting it open.
- [118:48]
Phil Labonte
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [118:49]
Libby Emmons
So I'm true, I'm looking at this and it does have a map, the Biden executive order.
- [118:55]
Josh Cider
Oh, that's unfortunate.
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Libby Emmons
Attached to it. So it says, thinking ahead. Yeah, it says the areas designated by the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management as the North Atlantic, Mid Atlantic. The areas of the outer continental shelf Designated by Section 104A of the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act. The boundaries of the withdrawn areas are more specifically delineated in the attack hatched map.
- [119:16]
Ian Crossland
Dude, I remember that Deep Water Horizon spill, I guess you'd call it, where like the.
- [119:20]
Libby Emmons
In the Gulf of America drill broke.
- [119:22]
Ian Crossland
And then for like months and months, maybe even years, it was just pouring.
- [119:26]
Phil Labonte
I don't think it was years.
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Libby Emmons
It was a while there was a camera down it. They couldn't figure out how to close it. Yeah, yeah, that was.
- [119:32]
Phil Labonte
And crazy that like, if I understand.
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Libby Emmons
Crimping became a problem.
- [119:36]
Phil Labonte
Yeah, for like on a short, on a short term. But if I understand correctly, there were no long term negative results faults. Like it was a problem while the oil was, you know, dumping out of there, but once they capped it, like there are microbes that actually eat the petroleum.
- [119:53]
Josh Cider
That's interesting.
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Phil Labonte
And they're, they're. If I understand correctly there the, like, the Gulf is not like some dead zone that is no longer, you know, life doesn't exist anymore. If I under. If I understand correctly, I'd have to take a look to make sure you.
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Ian Crossland
Figured out how to put iron oxide dust into oil spills. And then you use a matte magnet to pull the oil out. All the oil, it bonds with the, the iron and then it'll come up on your magnet.
- [120:17]
Josh Cider
Wow.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, there's videos of it in action.
- [120:19]
Josh Cider
Super arcane knowledge. You guys impress me with the esoteric knowledge.
- [120:23]
Ian Crossland
You Internet. The Internet's a portal it's like, wow.
- [120:26]
Josh Cider
I didn't know you could do that with that.
- [120:28]
Ian Crossland
It's a palantir.
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Libby Emmons
I didn't know there was bacteria that eats oil.
- [120:32]
Josh Cider
Yeah, that's crazy.
- [120:33]
Libby Emmons
I bet that's not true of lithium batteries. There's probably not bacteria that eats lithium batteries.
- [120:38]
Ian Crossland
Things evolve.
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Phil Labonte
The last thing you want to do is put lithium in contact with salt water.
- [120:42]
Libby Emmons
Well, for sure, but, you know, stuff gets dumped.
- [120:44]
Ian Crossland
There's also fungus that eats petroleum or plastic, rather.
- [120:47]
Libby Emmons
What about. That eats the. What do you call them, the wind turbines. Once those fall apart, you can't recycle them.
- [120:54]
Phil Labonte
No, they're. Those things are such a terrible idea.
- [120:56]
Libby Emmons
Terrible idea.
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Phil Labonte
Dustin Campbell says, ian, if you did make it snow in the Gulf, I thank you, sir. And that's gonna wrap it up for us. Smash the like button. Share the show with your friends. Go to timcast.com and, and join up. And Josh, do you have any. Any last words or. Where can people find you, man?
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Josh Cider
Well, thanks for having me. I had a blast. They can find me on Instagram at Josh Cider official and on Twitter at Josh Cider.
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Libby Emmons
I'm Libby Emmons. You can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons. You can email me tips or tricks at Liberty, the PM News, and you can check out everything we're doing at the post. Millennial.com.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, we're not done yet. We're going over to timcast.com to do the after show. So sign up if you're not already a member, but come over to timcast.com let's hang out. We'll be taking phone calls. As far as I know, Discord's working again.
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Phil Labonte
Did everything, if I understand correctly.
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Ian Crossland
Gorgeous. Well, we'll see you there. I'm Ian Crossland. Follow me at Ian Crossland all across the Internet, particularly on YouTube. Subscribe to my channel. Check out my latest video about our current. Our current experience within this golden age and what it means to be here. It's really awesome. See you later.
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Phil Labonte
I am Phil that Remains on Twix. I'm Phil that Remains official on Instagram. This week is a big week for me because my band, all that Remains, is going to release our 10th record on Friday. The record is called Anti Fragile. You can go check out some of the singles. Forever Cold, let you go, no Tomorrow, and Divine. They're available on YouTube, on Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is crime. Stick around or come back for the after show shortly. Shortly. And we'll see you later.