Socialists HAVE WON, Democrats QUITTING Party w/ Jon Root

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL – Socialists HAVE WON, Democrats QUITTING Party w/ Jon Root

Date: August 4, 2026
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Guests: Jon Root (Outkick), regular Timcast crew (Phil, Carter, Tate, et al.)

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Episode Overview

This episode explores the fracturing of the Democratic Party under the growing influence of socialist and far-left elements, examining its effects on the broader American political and cultural landscape. Tim and guests discuss high-profile Democrats threatening to leave the party, the “death of wokeness” in media, cultural shifts in sports and entertainment, the economic and creative consequences of AI, and the rise of prediction/gambling economies. The show also touches on generational divides, the future of content creation, the unraveling of social media’s influence, and the societal impact of AI and automation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Democratic Party Fracture & Socialist Ascendancy

• Timestamps: [00:05]–[15:23]
• Backdrop: Multiple prominent Democrats (James Carville, Bill Maher, Joe Manchin, Fetterman) have publicly threatened to quit the party as socialist figures like Hasan Piker gain influence.
• Insider View: The episode addresses the reality that, like it or not, left-wing socialists are powerful within the Democratic Party, with Hasan's supporters scoring electoral wins.
• Quote:
  • “[Hasan] already is a major force.” – Tim [00:07]
  • “Bill Maher said he would vote for Sarah Palin before he’d vote for any of these socialists.” – Tim [07:39]
• Analysis:
  • The party is "splintering into multiple factions," with a looming split between moderate liberals and a more radical DSA-aligned Left.
  • The hosts compare the current Democratic upheaval to the GOP's own internal MAGA shakeup, predicting socialists will eventually dominate, though not necessarily under one personality.

2. Generational Change & Boomer Decline

• Timestamps: [08:52]–[15:23]
• Tim:
  “Boomers have hit the mortality shelf … their voting power is going to rapidly decline.”
• Insight:
  The power vacuum is being filled by smaller generations (Gen Z, Gen Alpha) with different attitudes, leading to a less stable and more fragmented political coalition on the Left.

3. Strategy & Backlash Against Socialists

• Timestamps: [10:18]–[15:53]
• Phil: “The DSA intentionally tells people to lie about their policies. They know it’s still generally unpopular to call yourself a socialist or communist in the U.S.”
• Discussion:
  • Nordic models are often cited disingenuously – “They’re not socialist; they’re capitalist with strong safety nets.”
  • DSA’s real agenda could include expropriating corporations, and the risk of extreme platforming if they gain power.
  • The infighting and lack of unified vision is weakening the Democratic coalition.

4. Cultural Shifts: The Death of “Woke” Media

• Timestamps: [24:28]–[34:55]
• Topic: Marvel/Disney’s retreat from DEI/woke messaging amid poor returns on “black superhero” movies and a billion-dollar Spider-Man opening.
• Quote:
  • “Marvel canceled Blade, Wonder Man, Monica, … Ironheart, Armor Wars … Spider-Man just cracked almost a billion dollars.” – Tim [27:24]
  • “Woke is broke, and Marvel knows it.” – Tim [28:18]
• Insight:
  • The hosts argue that hero’s journey narratives, especially those centered on the “Everyman,” resonate more across demographics, explaining the box office success of traditional (white, male) heroes.
  • They argue modern female-centric films falter because they're written as “female power fantasy” rather than credible hero’s journeys.

5. Analog Culture Revival vs. AI “Slop” Content

• Timestamps: [44:42]–[81:33]
• Discussion:
  • Automated and AI-generated content is flooding digital spaces, leading to loss of meaning, attention, and revenue for independent creators.
  • Tim: “Revenue for the average person [creating content] … is probably 7% of what it was at your peak.” [57:28]
  • People are increasingly seeking analog experiences (movies, live sports, in-person comedy) to escape the monotony and overload of digital “slop.”
• Quote:
  • “Every day behind the scenes, we are scraping our fingernails on the desk.” – Tim [51:24]

6. Rise of Gambling, Prediction, and a “UBI Society”

• Timestamps: [63:18]–[71:08]
• Insight:
  • The next economic phase could be the “prediction economy,” where attention and engagement are monetized through predictive, primarily gambling-based, activities.
  • Sports betting and gambling vlogging are skyrocketing as viable (if ethically-questionable) career paths for young people.
• Memorable Analogy:
  • “Gambling content ... is literally making a living off people who are losing." – Tim [70:29]

7. The Coming DSA/Government Grocery Store Experiments

• Timestamps: [91:25]–[101:39]
• Discussion:
  • New York’s government-subsidized grocery stores aim to undercut local businesses at 30% below market, likely leading to shortages, rationing, and Soviet-style lines.
  • The policy is expected to gain short-term popularity and electoral wins for socialists, but is fundamentally unsustainable.
• Quote:
  • “This will result in a food desert where your only grocery store is the Momdani city grocery store ... now you’re literally looking at a Soviet-style system.” – Tim [91:25]

8. The “Death of Wokeness,” Burnout, and Attention Fragmentation

• Timestamps: [84:15]–[87:51]; [89:06]–[90:10]
• Insight:
  • There’s a sense that the social punishment and cancellation peak of “wokeness” has passed. While some institutions remain very left, the cultural peak is over.
• Quote:
  • "[T]he real fire behind woke is basically gone." – Phil [87:51]
  • “Spider Man hit a billion dollars in three days. Woke is gone.” – Tim [86:22]

9. Parenting, Childhood, and Generational IQ Filters

• Timestamps: [107:01]–[111:57]
• Insight:
  • New parents increasingly reject device-based childhoods, recognizing how digital addiction and video slop damage children’s attention and intellect.
  • The team discusses “IQ filtering,” where only children of forward-thinking parents avoid becoming “brain dead” in an AI content world.
• Quote:
  • “Your time preference stems from your IQ. A lot of children getting nuked because their parents … just can't read any articles or they're ignorant.” – Tate [110:47]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Democratic Party Split

• “Boomers have hit the mortality shelf.” – Tim [08:52]
• "The DSA intentionally tells people to lie about their policies." – Phil [11:41]

On Marvel, Superheroes, and Woke Media

• “Woke is broke, and Marvel knows it.” – Tim [28:18]
• “Hero’s journey shouldn't be recategorized as male … both men and women enjoy watching the heroic man who overcomes all odds.” – Tim [34:58]

On AI’s Impact

• “Revenue for the average person [creating content] ... is probably 7% of what it was at your peak … AI mass-produced content … has split everything up and devalued the content.” – Tim [57:28]
• “We are scraping our fingernails on the desk … can’t compete with a 14-year-old Indian kid producing 10,000 videos.” – Tim [51:24]

On Gambling and Prediction Economy

• “Gambling content … is literally making a living off people who are losing.” – Tim [70:29]

On the Decline of Wokeness

• “The real fire behind woke is basically gone.” – Phil [87:51]
• "Nobody’s going to lose their job over saying retard." – Tim [86:22]

On Youth, Parenting, and Technology

• "Every new parent is saying … my kid isn’t touching a phone until they're 16." – Tate [108:56]
• “Another IQ filter … dividing kids between parents with high and low time preference.” – Tate [110:47]

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Major Segment Timestamps

• Democratic Party & Fracture Discussion: [00:05]–[15:23]
• Generational & Voting Power Shift: [08:52]–[15:23]
• Marvel & Cultural Cohesion: [24:28]–[34:55]
• AI Content Crisis & Economy Impacts: [44:42]–[81:33]
• Gambling/Prediction Economy: [63:18]–[71:08]
• Social Media Disintegration: [81:33]–[89:25]
• DSA Grocery Stores & Potential Outcomes: [91:25]–[101:39]
• Parenting, Digital Childhood, IQ Filters: [107:01]–[111:57]

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Overall Tone & Style

The panel mixes sharp, dark humor and cultural exasperation with deep concern and strategic, often critical, analysis. There’s a strong pro-independence, anti-censorship, and anti-corporate tone. The group is candid and sometimes irreverent, openly wrestling with pessimism over the impact of AI, the collapse of independent media, cultural monotony, and the bleak future of political polarization. They offer practical advice (e.g., diversify revenue) and cultural commentary with a healthy dose of sarcasm.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a multi-layered critique of American political realignment, cultural fragmentation, and technological disruption. The hosts see a future marked by the decline of traditional media and consensus narratives, the rise of automated and AI content, the mainstreaming of gambling/prediction as an economic driver, waning influence of “woke” culture, and the struggle of independent creators to survive in a fractured media landscape. Generational divides and the choices of today’s parents could have outsize impacts as society adapts—or fails to—to these rapidly shifting realities.

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Transcript

[A]

Several prominent Democrats are threatening to quit the party. You got James Carville, who's one of the most well known Democrat strategists. He said, if Hassan Piker becomes a major force, I'm out. So my only question is, when did you leave? Because Hasan already is a major force. You've got in Michigan. This upset from a democratic socialist type. I know he's denying being a socialist. They're expecting him to win and crush the establishment. And this is a guy backed by Hasan Piker. You got Bill Maher saying he's basically out. These are commies. You've got Manchin and even other prominent Democrats outright saying I would never vote for these people. And then Fetterman was like, I can't be in a party with these people cuz they hate Israel. And I was like, really dude? They want to give kids sex changes. And you didn't care until they got mad about Israel. Priorities. But I'll take it. A lot of conservatives are ragging on these people being like, they, they've been propping up communists the whole time. And my attitude is, dude, when, when they start agreeing with you and pushing people to your side and you're winning, don't, don't snatch defeat from the jaws of Victor. I mean, shut up. Say hey, yeah, okay, and then get as many votes as you can because they're not in control of the Trump administration, but they're gonna help the Republicans win and shut those things down. So we're talking about that. Plus we got a bunch of crazy stories. Of course. We had that wild story about the shooting outside the In N Out and the heroic man who was armed who saved the day. And there's this prominent YouTuber who is now advocating because of it, we should ban guns. But of course they're lying. Assault rifles have been production banned since 1986. They're difficult to get. And these people are acting like assault rifles are used in shootings. For the most part they're not. It's handguns. But again, they're lying. We'll talk about that. And then of course you had the weekend to watch Spider man now, the biggest opening film ever. Just about $390 million for Spider Man. And this is good news outside of the fact that I love Spider man and we're going to talk about the film and some spoilers. I want to just stress it's showing a cultural cohesion again. You know, we had this period over seven or so years where nobody was watching the same films, listening to the same music. Woke was ascendant We've crushed it. Marvel has shut down all and this is actually kind of a bad thing in my opinion. But Marvel's basically shut down all of their black superheroes and I I'm not actually a big fan of that. But it does show they don't care about DEI or the race stuff anymore. They're basically saying, give us the white guys who make money. And that says something. For better referrers. We'll talk about that. Before we do, my friends, we got a great sponsor for you. 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Now it's available at the Casper location in Marnsburg. Check it out. Don't forget to also smash that, like, button. Share the show with everyone you have ever met. Share right now on every X Facebook, whatever you got. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is John Root.

[B]

What's up, brother? Great to have you.

[C]

Who are you?

[A]

What do you do?

[B]

I work for Outkick. I'm a writer and a content creator with them. So I cover sports and culture. I spent some time at Turning Point USA as well. I was there for about three years and. And I worked in, you know, mainstream sports media. But now I get to work for the good guys. So unfortunately, there's a lot of WNBA talk for me right now. So I'll cover it and watch it so you don't have to.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's the other big story we're talking about with the WNBA is basically full on board with. With males playing, and it's causing a bit of controversy. Clay Travis has spoken off, but we'll definitely get into all that stuff too. It should be fun. Considering it's a slow news day, sports might be a welcome distraction. Or actually, sports might be the bigger story. We got two boys hanging out.

[D]

Yeah. What's going on, everyone? John, it's great to have you in studio, dude.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

Love your work.

[D]

You're doing great work at out there Ballers over there. We love. We love all those guys.

[C]

Phil, what's going on? Tate Brown.

[D]

Not much, man. Just hanging out. We're just talking before the show about

[A]

how much me and Tate both love sports.

[D]

So I know the problem is I like all the. I like the subversive ones.

[A]

Like cricket.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I learned how to play cricket in college.

[A]

See, I knew it.

[D]

Yeah. Because I had some roommates from Trinidad. They're super into cricket. So I was just like, I'll learn.

[A]

Don't cricket games take, like, three days?

[D]

It's like three days, and it's like the scores, like, completely, like, doing math problems during the game. And even the people at the game are bored. Like, they're playing checkers in the crowd. They'll hand to people. They're doing, like, whatever except watching cricket.

[A]

Anything.

[D]

Like, watch the game. It's just an excuse to just, like, hang out.

[B]

It's passive viewing. Just like a lot of these streaming shows.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Actually, do I have to say, I

[A]

got to be honest, I actually like that A lot.

[D]

They were like barbecuing. Like it was. Looked like.

[A]

No, but that's like they got, they got the horse races coming up, the Charlestown Classic. And, and so it's like this big event with like a million dollar purse. And like, man, watching the horse race is so much fun. And they set up a restaurant. Yeah, I'm actually a fan of that. You're describing, you're describing a sport for me where you get to hang out with your friends.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

The sports happening in the background while you're having a good time.

[D]

And you know, I didn't say one negative thing. I love. I think.

[C]

Yeah, okay.

[D]

That sounds fun.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm a cricket fan now. Anyway, Carter's here.

[D]

Let's get into it.

[C]

Yeah, Carter here.

[A]

And let's talk about stuff. All right, here we go. We got this from Bakersfield. Now, the preeminent source, James Carville, says he will leave the Democratic if Hasan Piker becomes a major force. We then got this from Bill Maher. I absolutely love this clip. I'm not gonna play the full thing for you, but I just love this intro.

[D]

And finally, new rule. Donald Trump has told 1 trillion lies,

[A]

but when he says the Democratic Socialists

[D]

of America are actually communist, that's not one of them.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

And it's not hard to prove it just by quoting the DSA and their candidates. It gives me no pleasure to have to do this.

[D]

I much rather keep going the good

[A]

vibes from my summer vacation.

[D]

I had an awesome one, by the way. I totally got a girlfriend at Bible camp.

[A]

Joe. And I told him that if the

[C]

Democratic Party keeps going in the direction

[D]

of the dsa, my vote was in play.

[A]

Bill Maher said he would vote for Sarah Palin before he'd vote for any of these socialists. And then you get. This is from media. CNN data guru predicts Abdul El Sayed set to deliver the biggest blow yet to the Democratic establishment. Now, this guy said he's not a socialist, but his policies are all aligned with the dsa. Anyway.

[C]

I don't believe him.

[A]

Yeah, because you're not going to. He knows. He sees what Bill Maher is saying and he knows, like, okay, let's, let's tone down the socialist thing. But this is what they do. They lie.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

They lie to get in. And now. And we'll get into this in a second. Mamdani is now saying, you got to get an ID to buy groceries at the government grocery stores. Larry, you know where this goes. We got a whole segment on this one. But I'm Just going to stress the reason why people won't vote for these people. Socialist grocery store causes. Local grocery stores go out of business because they can't compete. Then you're waiting in line, there's food shortages, and you need an ID to buy food. Then when there's a shortage, they're going to say, okay, only one milk per customer per week. Then when you scan your ID card, they say, you already bought a milk yesterday. You can't buy one now. And that's how you get rationing. I'm not playing games. Now, what I will say is this. The question is, is Hasan Piker actually the future of the Democratic Party? And I'm gonna say sort of. The boomers, you're done. Sorry, Boomers, we love you. But the boomers have hit the mortality shelf. I'm a millennial. I'm 40.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Retirement is just around the. I'm closer to retirement than I am to my own childhood. Like, I'm over the hill, baby. Like, we're getting that direction. The boomers. Phil is. Phil is making noises. So. So, no disrespect to boomers, but the oldest boomers are now 80, 81 years old. And this means. That's called the. This is the mortality shelf, where a generation is older than life expectancy. You see a rapid decline. Why? Well, because they're dying. I'm not trying to be morbid, but this is what happens. Boomer voting power is going to rapidly decline over the next few elections. But Gen Alpha is not big enough. Gen Alpha is about one or two cycles away from voting. I think they're 15 years old right now. 1415. So we're looking at probably 20. 2030 is when we're gonna see them voting. 2032. A little bit more prominent, but still younger voters, not so prominent. But more importantly, at half the size of Gen Z millennials, they do not hold weight. So Hasan may be ascendant in a small faction of the left wing of the Democratic Party, but what's gonna happen is you're gonna see a split, and you're gonna have the moderate liberal types like David Pakman having to contend with the Hasan Pikers. You're gonna have destiny and Hasan Piker do not get along. And Ethan Klein and them, they fight each other. So I don't see a Democratic establishment dominated by Hassan Piker. I see multiple left factions in a shattered Democratic Party.

[D]

Yeah, we have this weird situation where you have these guys like Ezra Klein who are like policy wonks and put out pages and pages of what they would like to see from policy, from the Democrat Party. The problem is they never get any of that. They get, you know, for lack of better term, gay race communism and they just plug their nose and vote for the Democrat Party. So it's actually kind of irrelevant what these people think because if they're not willing to quite literally just vote for the Republican Party, who cares? Because Hasan Piker, even if he himself won't be this influential figure, his ilk will absolutely be dominating the Democrat Party for years to come. Because like you said, boomers are dying off. That's the last like voting cohort in the Democrat Party that is like overwhelmingly white. So you have a large non white majority voting block now in the United States for the Democrats, as in the majority of their constituents will be non white. So they don't like this whole idea that like di identity politics is like on the way out. Maybe for the Republicans, but certainly not for the Democrat Party. They're going to double down. It's. If you think Obama was bad, that's going to look like nothing compared to this. Like Haley Stevens. Haley Stevens right now is the referendum, right? Because Haley Stevens is kind of more old school, pro Israel, you know, pro markets, etc. She'll throw some lip service to leftist causes here and there. But by and large that is kind of the referendum of like, which way is the Democrat Party going? Because Michigan's a good bellwether for how the Democrats ought to, you know, vote nationwide.

[C]

I don't disagree with any of the, any of your, your, you know, your idea here. But the thing that I think that people need to be aware of is the DSA intentionally tells people to lie about the policies. Right. They know that it's still generally unpopular to call yourself a socialist or a communist in the United States. They have specifically said, don't, you know, don't tell people that you're actually looking to destroy capitalism. You know, they'll tell you, you know, you want to be, you want to sound closer to the center left than you do want to sound like a radical when you're dealing with regular voters. I don't believe Saeed for one second that he's not, not at least a socialist. And another way you can see that they actually do this is they tell people, you know, they'll say things like, oh, the Nordic model. The Nordic model is a capitalist society.

[D]

It hasn't existed in 30 years. What socialism and scandal.

[C]

Yeah, they've got all got markets, they've all got private property. Yes, there are generous, you know, social safety nets. There are generous benefits, and they pay over half of their money into taxes, except for Norway, because they're sitting on tons and tons and tons of natural gas. But otherwise, they. They have market economies so much that, like, you know, I think the Danish prime minister came out and said, hey, we're not a socialist country. We're a capitalist country. You still have reasonably secure property rights. And the policies that the DSA want, when they're actually articulating the platform they were talking about expropriating major corporations. And major corporations means, like Amazon, they're gonna go after the banking industry, which means that you won't be able to get a loan to start a business. People get down on the banking industry. And I get it because you look at stuff on the Internet and the irresponsibility of just banking in general, the fact that anytime you use a credit card, you're actually creating money and it goes towards the overall debt stuff, I understand all that. But the function that markets for money, the function that those perform, they're integral for being able to start businesses, being able to expand the economy. And that's something that everybody wants to be able to do. You don't want to have a fixed pie that is always the same that everybody's trying to take, take from. You want to be able to grow the pie. You want the economy to continue growing. And so, like, the things that the DSA are talking about when it comes to, like, again, expropriating property or nationalizing industry, that is going to destroy the whole U.S. economy. And these people think that that's a good thing because they want to re. They want to reimagine the United States in totality. They want to get rid of the presidency, they want to get rid of the Senate. The only thing in the Constitution that you can't get rid of the Senate. Like, there's Article 5 says you can't get rid of the Senate, and they want to get rid of the Senate. You can't even amend the Constitution. You have to get rid of the whole Constitution if you want to get rid of the Senate. But there's all these things that they talk about doing, and they'll do them if they get the power. I mean, Democrats are going to get rid of the filibuster. If they win enough seats to do it, they're going to.

[A]

Yes to all of those things. But I'm actually really happy with this stuff with, like. So in Colorado and in New York, the Democratic socialists win, but in Illinois, they didn't the more they fight, the more they like, the more they break. I do agree that if the Democrats win the midterms in the presidency, they're going to go nuts, they're going to pack the court. I actually don't know how possible it is at this point because the Democratic Party is becoming two different political parties.

[C]

I think my concern isn't so much about whether it's possible now, it's about what happens. Like as you, as you outlined earlier, when the boomers die off, right? When there's not a ton. I understand that Gen, you know, Gen Z and Gen Alpha, they're smaller generations but, but if the motivated people are the ones that are actually out there being activists and they're out there voting reliably, if there's a strong push for socialism, again, Gen Z and stuff, they don't have the same kind of allergy to the term socialism.

[A]

I saw a video from Ariel Scarcella who was just recently on the show. She was asking college students about why the Democrats lost. And it was interesting to see at a university some of these kids were like, well, like the Democrats were, you know, just like basically it wasn't, I would say, aligned with like hard conservatism, you know, like it wasn't like something you'd hear Jack Posobic say, but it was very much anti woke. It was like they tried too hard to do the activist stuff and so people didn't like it. I think, I think young people are largely seeing this and I'm interested to see how the Democratic Party manages to survive this split. Because when I look at young, like, look, there are certain liberals who. I'm not going to call anybody out, actually. No, let's, let's do it. We got like the Krasenstein's, we got Pacman, right? They are not lining up with Hasan Piker. In fact, many of them are arguing against Hassan. You're not gonna have a unified party with two factions like that. The Republican Party is begging Trump. Trump's play. This is the big story we got from Access. We'll pull up in a second. Actually, let's pull it up right now. I'll just wrap it up by saying Trump's play is that he's the kingmaker after this, whether he's president or not. So let's, let's, let's jump to the story from Axios. Trump's final act begins. And they say they basically line it like this. Democrats can't win enough political power even if they do in the midterms to affect Trump because it would be a thin majority if it was Trump's critics are retiring or not or moving into other state level positions. So Trump's administration is basically saying, look, if we lose the midterms, it'll be very similar to how it already is and Trump's got a plan for it. If he wins, it'll be great. We'll ram things through moving forward. Trump's going to be the kingmaker whether he's president or not. Everybody needs Trump's endorsement. Who do the Democrats have? They're split in two. The oldest political party in the world. How do they survive?

[D]

Well, I think the DSA is their maga insofar as like when they first, when MAGA first came on the scene, ton of pushback, you had to shake out the old guard who was like, oh, you know, I'll never vote for Trump. The never Trumpers, right? And a lot of them ended up, you know, just buggering off or they got CNN gigs or they just became Democrats. So I think the Democrat Party is going through their phase of like, you know, shedding the old guards, shedding the old consensus. I think what you're seeing now is like this endpoint of Obama style, like liberalism. And a lot of those people now who, you know, guys like Bill Maher, a lot of these other Democrats we're seeing, Jim, Jim Carvel obviously, who were like huge cheerleaders for the Obama administration, are now like, I don't know about this DSA stuff. That's the exact same thing that happened at the Republican Party when MAGA first came along. So I guess I'm trying to say is while it might be ugly for a few years, I think the DSA will ultimately come out decisive winners in that exchange. And I think whoever wants to remain, keep in power in the Democrat Party shall have the play ball with the dsa. As far as young people go, I mean, yeah, I think it's a bit of a larp when people are like, oh, you know, the reason why young people are turning on Trump is because they're actually to the right of him. And I'm like, dude, there's no polling that reflects that at all. Like, I wish that was like, trust me, I wish that was the case. As a 25 year old who would like to see that happen, but it's just not reflected. I mean, dude, something like 80% of Zoomers are pro choice. Like, I'm sorry, this is not your super base trad generation. It's like, are they slowing down on trends? We Saw among millennials. Yeah, that's true, but they're not even more religious than millennials, let alone more conservative. It is not what you think is going to happen. You cannot depend on, like, a based revolution.

[A]

Yeah, but I think with the left losing cultural institutions, that this is going to change. The question of what does it mean to be pro choice. I think that's the issue with polling. First of all, I don't believe it outright. You go to someone and you ask them something like, you ask them the question to get the answer that you want so you can frame it the way you want. You'd say something like, do you think that if a woman was suffering a medical issue, she should be allowed to get an abortion? Right. And they go, yes, I don't want pro choice. And then they mark it down. Right. Yeah, but, but also say this. I think a lot of people don't understand the arguments. Like when you tell them that Colorado legalized abortion to the point of birth, they go, I don't believe it for a second. And then once they find out, they go, ah, I'm not for that.

[D]

Yeah, well, I think zoomers, surprisingly, are a bit more pragmatic than I think people would give them credit for when it comes to policy. But insofar as like, yeah, they just have this kind of baked in, like, liberalism that you can't really do much about. And yeah, I just think it's a bit of a LARP when people are like, oh, like, when the boomers die off, then we'll get our, like, super based right wing revolution. I'm like, no, the opposite. It's like the opposite, actually. Like, when the boomers die off, you better hope that, like, somehow 30 to 40% more zoomers just, like, decide to vote Republican.

[A]

I think. I think without the boomers, I think the boomers are the last stable generation. I'm not saying everything the boomer generation did was good. There's a lot of bad things. I think. I think the boomers were largely. I don't think they planned well for the collective future. Yeah, I think, I think boomer saw prosperity. And it's, it's, it's, it's the fourth turning at Strauss out generational theory. However, they still do have this. You know, I like to reference Star Trek the Next Generation because I'm a fan, but I do think it does represent the boomer dream of the future where, you know, communists think Star Trek is communist because there's no. Because they have, like, replicators, but they have credits, they have money but if you take a look at that show where you have like, the noble military captain who's like, no, we don't harm innocent civilizations. It's like that was their dream of the future.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

They didn't actually build it, but they still try to vote for those ideals. They see politicians that try to stand up and have decorum and say, we must protect the DSA is voting for people who are like, I'm lying and I know it, and let's just burn it down. So when the boomers leave, you're going to get the joker. Yeah, it's going to be a bunch

[D]

of jokers voting Boomers, like statesmanship. That's like very. I mean, because they grew up with Reagan. So it's like, obviously like, you know, Reagan, even if you're critical of him, is like, you had the concede he's like one of the best politicians of all time as far as, like, how he presented. So boomers grew up with that. You know, they grew up with this thing or you, like, learned in school. It's like, oh, the reason Nixon lost to JFK was because, like, he was sweaty on the debate. And so they just have, like, all these, like, different things that are just not true. They grew up with. But yeah, I think boomers, this is the thing where people are, I can't wait for the boomers to die off and then like, Republican Party will get super based. I'm like, yes, among zoomer right wingers, they are more right wing. That is true. But like, boomers, they're just more of them are right wing, as in just more of them. There's more of them, but also a higher proportion of boomers are right wing versus Zoomers, where it's a smaller proportion, even if they're more authentically right wing. Well, doesn't matter if you can't win an election.

[C]

Yeah. So the, the. One of the things that the, the. That young people, you know, are facing now is the fact that they don't have a buy into, quote unquote, the American dream. Right. You can't buy a house, they can't start a business, or they feel like they can't start a business. They don't. Like, the idea of owning property is as alien to them as the idea of, like, you know, being on the moon.

[B]

Well, that seems interesting what you guys have been bringing up, even like young people with entrepreneurship. It seems like that's on the rise. But you're talking about, like, well, are they actually going to be able to make some sort of A difference because of how many they are, how interested they are in politics and obviously the ideological game. It seems like the left is losing consistently, but you have that. It seems like the opportunities for entrepreneurship are there, but at the same time, like, you're saying the American dream and

[C]

entrepreneurship to do it.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

Right. Like, if you. And nowadays there's so many things that are working against young people trying to go and do stuff, trying to make. Make something themselves.

[B]

And then the other half of them, they want just the government to do stuff for them. So that I feel like that's the interesting dichotomy.

[C]

I think it's more than half, but yeah, yeah, it's kind of my point. But yeah, like, I, I, Yeah, I totally agree. The. There are so many people that are like, you know, because on the left, you got people that are like, oh, we should have a bunch of government programs for basically the marginalized community. And the people on the right are like, well, actually, we should have government programs for Americans. So not, you know, maybe they probably wouldn't want. They might even exclude, you know, second generation immigrants as well as, you know, first generation.

[B]

That's gonna be an ever growing thing too. The marginalized communities could be like the LGBTQ community that you've had so many numbers and letters to that at some point, it's pretty much everybody.

[C]

Yeah, that's because the left wants to be. The left wants to make it so that way everyone can join their group. But you're still going to be, look, if you're a white guy and you say, look, I'm two Spirit, they'd be like, well, you're still a white guy, so screw you. You're still at the bottom of the barrel.

[B]

Yeah, it's not helpful.

[A]

Two spirit is, is.

[D]

Is.

[A]

Is the binary propaganda, propaganda, heteronormative BS two spirit. No, no, we're 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. You can be any. You could be infinity spirit.

[C]

I got seven dimensions of sexuality in me.

[A]

Seven.

[C]

It's retarded.

[D]

Yeah, I think, like, you know, it just, it really epitomizes the disconnect between older generations and zoomers is that, like, it seems like older generations expend much more time on cultural, culture, culture war issues than zoomers actually do, where I think the good majority of zoomers are just fairly nihilistic. And the interesting thing is I would push back on the idea that, like, the left has lost cultural institutions, but they've definitely lost the rhetorical battle. So something that's interesting that you'll see is even among, like full blown trans communities, among zoomers, they will be using language that you would have seen on like 4chan, like 10 years ago. Yeah, so I think, like, what's interesting, like maxing, they'll say like, total chud death. And it's like, that's like our 4chan 1 bro. Yeah, so, yeah, so I think, like, that's kind of interesting to see is okay. They haven't really lost the cultural war at all, actually. I, like, I think declaring woke is dead is like, way too premature.

[C]

Yeah, it's not.

[D]

But as far as, like, rhetoric goes, it's actually kind of fascinating that even among in like, far left circles, they'll say like, like retard and stuff like that, like all the time. So it's just.

[A]

You dropped the volume on.

[D]

I was, I was, I was circling through the, you know, YouTube terms of service or whatever, and I was like, nah, retard's good.

[A]

Retard's good. Like they let it go.

[D]

It's French exit door.

[C]

But I get what you're saying, but I mean, I'm looking at, I'm look right now, I'm looking at a video that someone retweeted FR of Francesca Hong describes having a half white son as being in proximity to whiteness. Like, woke isn't going in proximity.

[A]

Literally white. I mean, proximity.

[C]

I mean, but that's the thing isn't going anywhere.

[A]

She banged a white guy.

[C]

Allegedly. Shame on you.

[A]

If she has a kid.

[C]

Oh, shame on you. But yeah, I mean, look, like the woke isn't going anywhere. It's not like there will be a resurgence of this kind, that kind of stuff. There will be attempts to cancel people in the future. It's not going to stop until. Well, I mean, do you think it

[B]

has a chance to be defeated, though? Like, I mean, I know we're going

[C]

to have it flow.

[B]

Like we're going to, we're going to get into it later. I know I don't want to get ahead of things, but I mean, I even think of the cultural driver of Riley Gaines and Will Thomas on the same podium. I see now with the Sophie Cunningham situation where it's like, okay, vast majority of Americans think that this whole discussion is stupid.

[A]

Like the idea, honestly, in a waste of time.

[B]

Yeah, in a total waste of time. So it's like, okay, like, at some point, yeah, there's some, like, ideological things that are going to still keep going. Depends.

[C]

Look, if you're, if you're going to, if you're going to say, look, men cannot become Women and women cannot become men. You'll probably never lose a job for that again. Or at least not anytime soon.

[D]

Well, and I think the culture where topics are just burnt out, I mean, people hear that and they're like, dude, gas is like four bucks.

[C]

No, but if you go on a. On a. If you go on a racist triad about something, you might lose your job for that.

[D]

I. Sometimes, yeah. But the culture's definitely changed from five to six years ago, where, like, if Shiloh Hendrick said that six years ago, she'd probably, like, get shot. Now. She's a million bucks.

[A]

We got it. We got it. We got to talk about Spider Man. And I'm not joking. I need to stress this to you guys, okay? There's two big stories. Marvel got rid of all their black. Check this out. This is from black superheroes subreddit. Marvel has a thing against its black heroes. It's actually big news, and a lot of the WOKE people are really pissed off. Marvel canceled. Blade canceled. Wonder Man, Monica, who's also known as Photon, Nowhere. Nowhere in Marvel. She's not the Doomsday. Like, where is she? She's gone. She's. She's like black Ms. Marvel, like Captain Marvel. Iron Heart gone. Armor wars canceled. And. And Sam. Sam Wilson as. As Captain America, the black Captain America also just sidelined and gone. And Spider man just cracked almost a billion dollars. A billion. So WOKE is broke and Marvel knows it.

[D]

Yeah, I think it's just like being realistic about, like, how identity works. Right. We've had these conversations in the show of, like, okay, when a Japanese person is thinking of an American, what are they thinking of? Like, physically? Well, yeah, but they're thinking of someone like Peter Parker. You know, whether you like it or not, no matter what color you are, that's just something you have to kind of reckon with. It's just a reality. So again, when Spider man is, like, marketing these movies and they're like, even though Queens. The average person from Queens looks nothing like Peter Parker anymore. When you're thinking of, like, a comic book kid from Queens, you know, you think of the Ramones, et cetera, you think of Peter Parker. You can't. You can't be, like, uncanny with your presentation. Right.

[C]

I gotta ask.

[A]

I half agree, but I don't think that's what's at play. I think the issue is DEI and WOKE stuff is. Is a political philosophy that is incongruous with human nature.

[B]

There's no message being preached in this movie. You go to the movie and you have a Great.

[A]

But it's. But it's not just that. You have a great time. Let me show you these movies. Blade not a Hero's Journey. Blade's a great character, but as a standalone film, we did get the Blade trilogy back in the day. Those were good. And so I actually think they could have made Blade work. But Blade not a hero's Journey.

[B]

Wonder Woman killed it.

[A]

Wonder man was not a hero's journey. Monica not a hero's journey. She was in WandaVision and got her powers by just randomly walking through Wanda's magic, I guess. Ironheart was not a hero's journey. Derivative of Iron Man. Armor war is not a hero's journey. As much as we love War Machine, it's derivative of Iron Man. Cap four. This is Falcon.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Who just gets handed a title. Not a Hero's Journey. Peter Parker. Spider man is a hero's journey every time.

[D]

Well, and what I'm trying to get at is, like, the reason why Peter Parker can be a hero's journey is because he's presented as, like, an Everyman. He's presented as a very typical, ordinary person. And in the United States, even today, that is still just going to be like a dorky white kid. Like, that's just the reality of the situation. So, again, you know, to no fault of anyone's own, if they were to deviate from that character when designing a Hero's Journey, that'd be told to the majority of Americans for it to resonate with them. If they made them black or if they made them Hispanic or made them Asian, that would be an aspect to their character that would deviate from the Everyman story that would add another extra element to it, et cetera. So, like, again, it's the reason why it isn't political. Part of the reason, part of the way you get that done is by presenting him as an Everyman. And like, again, for the vast majority of Americans, even people of different colors, they're going to see a normal white person. He's like an Everyman.

[B]

He's gone through legitimate loss in the last movie leading into this. And then it's a genuine, just good time watching this movie. I haven't had that much fun watching a movie in a theater in a long time. And I think, in general, like, people resonate with Spider man now because he's not just like Iron Boy, you know, he's not Iron Man Jr, you know, he has to actually, like, build himself up, go through legitimate interpersonal conflict. He goes through loneliness.

[A]

Here's the thing. Everything was Derivative of Iron Man. But Spider man, when they introduced him in Home with Homecoming, he was in civil war. But when they. When they started his own movie with Homecoming, no Way Home and Far From Home or Far From Home, then no Way Home, it was. It was derivative of Iron man in the first two, I'd say, and Infinity War, but it was still part of his hero's journey. The suit is aided by magic. The thing about Captain Marvel is she always had the power. It was the man holding her down. That's not a hero's journey.

[B]

Look at all those that you put up there. I mean, even Ironheart is probably, like, one of the biggest things. Like, we have to have Tony Stark and Iron man build up this show and this individual that hasn't worked for anything. And they also preach the message of, like, basically, I'm a part of a marginalized community. I like, I'm a victim kind of thing. Like, people.

[A]

Nobody wanted to watch it.

[B]

No one cares.

[A]

Nobody wanted to see it. Supergirl bombed, guys. I tried watching Supergirl. I did. Because I'm like, you look, I'm not going to go to the theaters for it, but if a movie. Like I watched Disclosure Day, that movie sucked. It was miserably bad. And it's like, no story. It was just nothing. So I'm like, all right, I'll watch Supergirl. So I bought it on Amazon and I pressed play in about 10 minutes. I turned it off because what's the story, bro? It's Captain Marvel. It's. It's degenerate superpowered woman who just wants to f off and be a degenerate and doesn't want to do hard work. And I'm like, that's cringe the whole way through. I don't want to watch it. And it was like, girl Punk intro song, and then a. An annoying nails on a chalkboard villain. And I was like, can I get a refund on this? And they said, no, I couldn't get a refund on it. So I was. I was a little bummed about it.

[B]

Just compare that with the first five, ten minutes you have watching Spider Man.

[A]

It was amazing.

[B]

Anybody that's seen that movie, they're like, I'm in. I'm genuinely interested in what's going on.

[A]

And here's the thing, too. So cnn, this article is old. It's. It's from yesterday. Second highest, actually. Spider man is now the highest global debut for any film. And here's why. This is a good thing. It's not about Spider Man. There's Not a Spider man review clip. We'll do a Spider man review in a second. This is about cultural cohesion, and it's about when these companies were like, maybe we should go with the white male action hero again. It worked. And they made a billion dollars in three days, guys. Phil, would you like to make a billion dollars in three days?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Cast a white man.

[B]

Okay, I'm available.

[C]

You're in

[A]

love. Looking at white dudes fighting bad guys.

[C]

Give you $100 million.

[D]

Yeah. For like, 10 bucks.

[C]

Well, no, I would feel like I was taking. If I got 3 billion, I would feel like I was taking advantage of it, dude.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't.

[D]

You just can't. Like, this is the reality. You just can't put women in these roles because it's just like, everyone sees right through it, even though even the foid see right through it. Like, they just know instantly you can't be a hero like that if you're a lady.

[A]

Hollywood can't.

[B]

Hollywood can't. They can't put together a female centric role, whether they are actually the main character or the top three, without preaching a message. They have to insert. They have no idea how to write without preaching some feminist.

[C]

That's part of the. That's part of. That's partly true. But the. Tate. But, like, I would push back on Tate's point because, like, it's not just that they're women, it's the way they write them. Listen, every.

[A]

No, listen, stop, stop.

[C]

Let me finish you. Everybody that watches Aliens, they love Ripley. Everybody that watched Terminator, they love. I forget where. Connor, Sarah Connor. Like, the point is. But they got their asses handed to them through the whole movie. The thing. Thing is there is no struggle for these women. It's. They're not compelling because modern, modern stories about women, they're just automatically boss. Bab.

[A]

Listen, listen, listen. Here's the.

[C]

The.

[A]

The hero's journey should not be recategorized as the male hero's journey because it's part of a male power fantasy. And what they've tried doing is they've tried figuring out what the female power fantasy is and then turning it into a superhero movie. So the trope is that the male power fantasy is when Spider man in Spider Man 1 is fighting green Goblin, and then he's got. He's holding up with one web, Mary Jane, and the other school bus. And then Green Goblin is like, what will it be? Spider Man, Mary Jane, or suffer the children? But Spider man saves them both. That's the male power Fantasy. And he's like, no. And the good guy can save the children and the women. Here's the thing. Men like watching it. Women like watching it. Why? Women are enthralled by and attracted to the heroic man who can save the day and overcome all odds. Men want to be that guy. Rom coms are considered to be the female power fantasy. And what are those? The woman the women donks about doing stupid things with no consequences and then gets the guy in the end. Or what is the Lifetime movie? The woman is in a committed relationship, goes back home, meets a handsome everyman and ditches her fiance for this guy and overnight abandoning her multi year relationship.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

How many Lifetime movies are about a woman leaving her, leaving her fiance for some guy she just met? A lot.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So when they analyze these films and like, what do women like about these? The women can do whatever she wants. She can drink, smoke, be a degenerate and get whatever she wants. So that's what they did with Supergirl. That's what they do with Captain Marvel. And no one wants to watch it. Women don't want to watch it. They're not attracted to it. And men don't want to watch it because men don't want to be a woman degenerate. It doesn't work well.

[D]

And that's also, I mean, this is, my point is like before 50 years ago, can we even name any hero's journey stories that were like a woman lead? Maybe wizard of Oz. Right.

[A]

Heroes journey.

[B]

Like Hunger Games maybe?

[D]

No, I'm saying before.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Hunger. Before 50 years. Okay.

[A]

Hunger Games. Actually a really, really good example. Katniss Everdeen in Hunger Games. Why did that movie work? Because it's a hero's journey. It's a regular hero. For the love of all, she doesn't want to be thrust into battle. She makes an ultimate sacrifice to protect those that she loves. And we enjoyed that. And then, and then she better it so good. She wasn't a degenerate. She was a hard working like farm girl who wanted to protect her sister and was forced into this by an oppressive machine. Impressive machine. And we enjoyed the story.

[B]

And even with Peter Malark, like he's, he's a weaker character. But they don't say like, oh, he's weak because we have to elevate the woman.

[A]

I mean that's just the way that,

[B]

that was the way it was writt and but, but it actually doesn't sound like a message.

[A]

Strengths.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Turns out he's super strong from doing Farm.

[B]

It's not just a baker. Like, he. He shows up for Katniss.

[A]

And it's the other thing. How many of these feminist movies or girl power movies, the men are all just. And, like, evil. And then you get Hunger Games, and some white guys are good, some white guys are bad. It's just there was nuanced character development. Wonder Woman, the first one was actually really good as well. It was a. It was sort of a hero's journey. I mean, she was born of the gods, but they did not make it preachy. Girl power. Men all suck. Chris Pine's character was actually a hero himself. So when they try and do these stupid, like, Supergirl. Like, just stop. Just listen. Here's the thing. They canceled Blade. And that blows my mind, because the Blade movies actually do well.

[D]

I like the Blade. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

It would have been a cool action movie. It's a guy that just kills vampires. Cool black guy that kills vampires. I'm in.

[A]

Here's the thing. They had such bad numbers with the black characters and all their shows. They canceled it.

[D]

They should have put Gosling as Blade. Now that would be a movie.

[A]

Yeah, well, he's. He's going to be Ghost Rider now, isn't he?

[B]

Yeah, he's going to be Ghost Rider.

[D]

Yeah, it works with me.

[A]

Gosh, people were like, no, he's got to be Black Panther. Yeah, that'd be awesome.

[D]

Oh, that'd be so sick.

[C]

It's the Netflix adapt.

[D]

I'm like, hunter Games. So good. Now imagine if it was a guy. Now imagine was one of the first fellas in there. That would be. No, that's a movie.

[C]

No, I. I think, like. I think this. You're actually wrong about. It's. It. It's not that women can't be in compelling roles in, like an action movie.

[D]

I didn't say that. I just said they can't be the hero in a Hero's Journey. And if they are, it's like a one off.

[C]

Well, like, generally.

[D]

It's always meant.

[C]

Like I said. I mean, generally. Yes, but the idea that they. Historically, the idea that they can't, I think is wrong. Like I said, I.

[D]

And maybe Alice in Wonderland.

[C]

Like, I've already not.

[A]

But she was kind of a degenerate for eating.

[C]

I've already said that.

[D]

Yeah. So then. Yeah, she wouldn't say. I was just saying me and the boys are sitting around the other day.

[C]

Like I said, Alien and Aliens, Terminator movies.

[D]

Recent things. When it's like, now we're conscious of the fact that we should be putting Women like In the last 50 years

[B]

we'll think about like Tomb Raider too. Like that's just another.

[C]

I don't know how, but what I'm

[D]

saying is post 19 they weren't technically

[B]

good, but it's like they're enjoyable but it's not. Not preachy.

[D]

But post 1960s is when it occurred to people we should start putting women into these movies when before that it never occurred to anyone in human history like we should.

[C]

Yeah, but the response to the women in them was different than it is today. Like in the past, you know, 10, 15 years. And this is fairly new because of the way that women are written in movies now.

[A]

Well, I think stuff that Tim, I

[D]

saw 80s with the woman lead that probably bombed. We just don't know about it, considering

[A]

this is a show for the fellows, I suppose. And everyone in here is a man. I saw a commercial today. I was watching Fox News and it was a commercial for period pain at work. And it was like a woman like going to work and having period pain. And then it was like get this drug, you know, for your period pain or whatever. And I was like, that's kind of weird because like men don't have a regular thing where they have to self medicate because of the pain that they're in while they're at their job. But it reminded me of when the Democrats came out and they were like, women should get paid time off for having periods. And I'm like, you know, back in the day women just didn't have to go to work. So when they had period pain they were just at home chilling in the bathtub. But now that we're in this, like I said, feminine, feminine feminism sized, I don't want to say feminized, but like a feminism of fight society. Now there is a need for a pharmaceutical to help women while they're at work because they're in pain that they didn't have to do in the past.

[C]

If women, if women are given time off for their periods or they're. They're given special treatment, then men should be given time off for dealing with women on their periods.

[A]

Well, you'd have to because that's be equal.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

So if they're like, women get three days off for their periods. Men can choose three days off throughout the month. Otherwise it'd be inequality under the law.

[C]

I'm going with the days that they're leading up to their period.

[A]

And the ultimate result is this is we just fire everybody's and Fridays for

[B]

me most of the time and Then Monday after long weekend.

[A]

I think they implement these kinds of things because it'll result in, result in companies just hiring test, just buying bots. Like, screw it, I'm getting a robot.

[C]

Yeah, it's going to happen.

[A]

Yeah, you know, you know I got it.

[D]

No, I was just like, I mean it's like a chicken or egg thing. It's like, did they hire robots because we were like lazy or whatever or the other way around? I'm like, it's probably inevitable that we're going to go to like a three day weekend soon. I mean this seems like when you see all of these, not even just tech leads, but business leaders in general, they're all like starting to like sort of prep the American people for the fact that like, hey, we might move to a three day weekend pretty soon.

[A]

So have you guys. There's a, there's a new business that exists. And so poor people who can't get jobs will lease, they'll rent a car for 100 bucks a week to drive Uber and doordash. And so what now we're seeing is a second layer is there are people who will buy 20 Teslas.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then list them as available for, for weekly leases to doordash drivers. And so they're like, I make $15,000 a month off my fleet. And so, you know, and they say like 6,000, 7,000 or so is profit for me to live off of. But I have to get tires fixed, I have to get repairs done, brake pads, all those things. So all in all it's like I'm making, you know, 70, 80k a year off of my fleet. We're going to have the same thing with Tesla bots. And I was talking to, I was talking to Seamus Coughlin actually just the other day, he was hanging out and I said, when Tesla Optimus bots are functional for, for a restaurant, no one's going to have the initial 30 to 50k to buy one of these high end Tesla bots to make tacos at a Taco Bell. So what's going to happen is there's going to be a dude who's going to get a loan from a bank to buy 20 of them. And then they're going to say your store will lease three to us for, you know, 10 bucks an hour. Hey, a human cost you 20 bucks an hour. We're half the price for the Tesla bot. Here's the best part. If it breaks down, we deliver a replacement on the spot, take the broker unit back, we deal with it. Those are going to be the future businesses we see popping up. Because we're already starting to see the car one.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You're already seeing, like, McDonald's. I mean, they've already kind of moved away from, like, people like, you go there and they have the big machine, and you punch in your order or whatever, and then, like, five minutes go by and, like, the only real person in the entire restaurant pops out with your food. It's like, the weirdest.

[A]

Haven't you seen? They got the fully automated McDonald's.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You ordered a kiosk. And then the arm goes and, like, picks up the french fries.

[D]

And then, like, yeah, and it's just like, one just, like, kind of heavyset lady will just come out, be like, oh, 223. Oh, no, no, no, bro. Bro.

[A]

The automated McDonald's. The robot arm just picks up and goes and then drops it.

[D]

I think they'll always have her because someone's gotta, like, yell at the robot. Oh, I have. I have my McDonald's.

[B]

McDonald's.

[C]

Yeah. You also got the app where you just type, you know, order, and then you just go up to the. To the drive through, and you say, this is my number. And they're like, all right, pull around.

[A]

I was.

[C]

You know, just go straight to the window.

[A]

Now. Now the drive through is at a bunch of these Wendy's or whatever they were. It was AI. Do you see these videos?

[D]

You can make a order a th000 waters.

[A]

No, there was a really funny one where a guy was, like, he started filming after he already ordered, but it was like, he had, like, a number one and number two, and it said it was $15,900. And he's like, h. What the hell? He's like, excuse me? He's like, what is happening? And it was like, hey, you're right. I'm sorry about that. And then it changes, and it jumps up to, like, a million dollars. And he's like, oh, no, perfect.

[D]

Did he think he had to pay that? He's like, oh, I'm. I don't know how screwed I went.

[A]

I was in a rest stop, and they had an ice cream vending machine that had a. Had a robot man. So it was a big machine with a glass. With glass, and there's, like, a robot guy in it. And when you say you want to order ice cream, his, like, robot arm grabs the cup, and so I ordered the ice cream, and he grabs it and moves over, and then it hits the side and flips over. Then the ice cream comes down and just Splatters. And then he goes to pick it up, but just whacks it. And I was like, what the. Just, bro, just give me a scoop of ice cream, man.

[D]

Yeah, they had. At my university, they had like a, you know, vending machine, whatever, that automatically made burgers, but, like, the buns are always, like, soaked every time, and the cheese would be, like, on the wrapper. And it was just, like, got this reputation within a week of installation that was just like the worst experience of your entire life. And then, like a week later, someone just destroyed it. I just got so mad that they lost $8 that they just destroyed the machine. They ripped the glass off. There's buns everywhere. I was like, honestly, it had. It had it coming. I think with the such a horrific experience and you're promised so much, you know, automatic burger. And then, you know, I'm thinking. I'm thinking Rosie from the Jetsons where she, like, pops a chicken out of her stomach or something.

[B]

Just imagine that, though. There's so many viral clips of people getting in the face of fast food employees. What do you do when there's a robot there?

[D]

Yeah, just like, terminate you.

[A]

Now.

[B]

Now you look stupid.

[A]

No screaming at the robot. I didn't want lettuce on my Taco Bell. I don't want. I don't want watery poops. What are you doing? And the robot's like, thank you, I

[B]

want to your manager. And then it's just like another robot. What do you.

[C]

What do you do?

[A]

A slightly. A slightly bigger robot.

[D]

All right, what's the problem here? If they go back to talking like that, we're good. I'm like, hello, welcome to McDonald's.

[A]

I know, that's. Honestly, that's the worst part is that there's going to be a robot with, like, fake eyes. It's going to go, hey there, Tate, can I make you a burger? And you're going to be like, stop. Just talk like a robot. This is weird.

[D]

Engaging burger mode.

[A]

That's actually how you're going to talk. Because the toxins and then the radiation, the post apocalypse is going to leave you with one of those things. You're going to be like, I would like a cheeseburger. And the robot's going to sound like a perfect. Sure, no problem, buddy. Let me whip that up for you.

[D]

That'd be awesome. Whatever. The future is gonna be good. That's all I know.

[A]

Well, so the question is, considering this, like, how does the economy change three day weekends? But what does that mean? What do you do to make money unironically.

[D]

Like, this is the only. You know, I've been like, pretty pro, tactically pro. I. Purely because I'm like, look, the current trajectory that everything is going so far is just like a disaster. There's no way we're going to get women to stop working like that. Rabbit's just out of the hat. A myriad of other problems, immigration, etc. I'm like, honestly, I might be able to screw up enough stuff that like, it might revert us back to a sort of pre, sort of premodern state of living. Like it actually women, because they just hate working anyway and they're all depressed. They might just be like, finally have an excuse to go home in like, a dignified way. And then, like, immigrants will just stop coming years. They don't need them anymore. Not that we really need them now, but, like, we definitely won't need them anymore. It's like, sorry, we can flip our own burgers. So I just like, look around the economy and I'm like, actually AI might, like, destroy enough things that it might actually just end up working out in the end. So, like, it's worth it because the current trajectory right now, we're just like, swirling. We're like in a tailspin. It's like, it's so over. So you kind of need something to come along and shake everything up.

[C]

I mean, I'm, I'm fairly optimistic about AI. Like, I'm not one of the doomers. I think that, that it's actually going to be.

[D]

Yeah, it's just going to, like, do things.

[C]

Yeah. I, I generally think kind of there with you too, you know.

[A]

I think you're all wrong. I think I'm all wrong because I run a business where I'm watching revenue collapse in every market due to AI. Ad rates are down, production is, is, Is mass produced, and by next year, we don't even know how, how, how podcasts are going to make money.

[C]

I mean, I get what you're saying, but I've, I mean, I've watched that happen in the music industry when Spotify came out. And like, you know it well.

[A]

When everyone here is out of a job but me, well, we'll have the conversation again.

[B]

Is YouTube pushing more like AI generated content?

[A]

They're demonetizing it, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because the rate of production is so rapid. If you're making fake. If you're, if you're, if you're not even utilizing. You're talking about, like, creating generative AI is getting demonetized, okay? But AI editing is. Has taken over. So right now, if you look at Joe Rogan as a really great example, he's got a handful of episodes that are over a million. Like, you know, sometimes they'll be over million, sometimes they're like 500,000. And if you look at his. His hard metrics, and I'm not trying to drag Joe or anything, but he's just. He's the king of podcasting. His views are down. I think he used to get 200 million. Now he's getting like 40 to 50 or something, like, way down. And it's because people can now AI mass produce fake Joe Rogan videos. So when you used. If the algorithm says this person likes Joe Rogan, you're not being shown the Joe Rogan clip anymore. You're being shown one of 50,000 AI generated Joe Rogan clips controlled by other people. So his viewership is going down. Ad rates are completely in the gutter, sponsorships are gone, Everything's collapsing. And now podcasters are paying people to post their videos. So it used to be you post a clip, you made money off it. Then there was a bunch of piracy, and we're like, well, it is what it is. Now it's so competitive that bigger companies are paying people to clip and post their videos, hoping it'll generate marketing for them, but you can't monetize them. One of the things we're looking at is how do we monetize that? So what's happened now is there's a handful of companies like dual.com does this, where they put Charlie Kirk's face in the corner of a video for the algorithm, and then it'll be a clip of something totally random. You cannot compete with this stuff. So the fact that some random Indian Guy is generating 10,000 videos per month means companies like this are going to struggle to exist in the next year or two. Already it's a big problem. Now, what I will say is, you know, Forbes put out their top 20, like, biggest, most paid podcasters. I argue that list is largely fake because we would be on that list. But the point is, these people, they have contracts. So I'm not going to call anybody out. But the reason why one of these people might be getting 20 million a year is because a network pays them 20 million as a personality, and they're losing money on the show, but it's a loss leader now. We were actually profitable and make a ton of money, but we have to make the money ourselves. We don't go to a company and say, just pay us to be us. And then we don't care about viewership. No, we have to maintain viewership. So considering that we've done a bunch of business things that have allowed our business to develop and grow so that we make money, the coffee business has been great. The skateboard business, we sell more skateboards than any other company. Despite the fact all the American skate manufacturers are going out of business.

[B]

But is Santa Cruz still in business?

[A]

I'm pretty sure Santa Cruz is just China, so I don't know for sure. I don't want to drag Santa Cruz, but I'll just say the overall majority of top skateboard companies are just Chinese manufacturers at this point.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah, American manufacturers are basically defunct. And I think we lost four already.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

Just going out of business. So we have to make money by other ways every day. And fortunately, because I would say that I planned well, we've actually maintained audience growth and revenue despite the fact revenue is dropping. YouTube revenue right now is half of what it was last year and it's half of what it was the year before. So last year was half of the year before. So when I say AI is destroying us and then, you know, I hear you guys be like, no, it's not going to happen. I'm like, well, count your days, I guess. Because every day behind the scenes we are, we are scraping our fingernails on the desk being like, we cannot compete with a 14 year old Indian kid producing 10,000 videos of me. I can't make money off of that anymore. And they're making fake videos of me, which is causing death threats. So we're trying to figure out how to navigate this. And that's why I was talking to Seamus about like, maybe we just lease 100 Tesla robots out to businesses because we're not going to be able to do this stuff anymore. Especially again when there's already people in India en masse, have been doing this for years, making videos of me, of Joe Rogan, of Steven Crowder, and we can't make money off of that. They are stealing our content. We can't sue them, we can't stop them. YouTube won't do anything about it. So what do you do? What do you do? With ad rates dropping, everybody's views getting crushed, you can see what Tucker Carlson's trying to do. You can see what Candace Owens, Candace Owens claiming that she has psychic powers. Now, Candace Owens has been going on a show saying that she has psychic powers and magic because she's so desperate to get These clicks, we, we, we've monetized outside of direct YouTube stuff a long time ago because we knew all of this is coming. I've been planning for this for a long time.

[B]

It's. Would YouTube technically do something similar to X? Because it seems like X is if you post a clip and you try to say this is original content, you're not given what the source is and you're just trying to monetize off it for yourself. Is YouTube able to do something like that? Where it's like, okay, this is Tim Pool. This came from Tim Pool Show.

[A]

But I don't think they want to.

[B]

But. So you think they would just. They just don't.

[A]

Here's the challenge. So here's another issue. On TikTok and Instagram, a large portion of videos will be a viral clip from a show or body camera and there will be some random guy just staring.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's fair use. Now it's his reaction is speech. Now it's transformative commentary. You're not going to be able to sue everybody. There's too much mass produced content. So it's not just the AI. A large portion of it is. It's the ease of content production and there's nothing else to do. So it's weird that everything's flattening out

[B]

and sorry to catch you off. It's weird because I've heard nerd rodics talk about this in like in their space in film and tv, how there's people that will literally just. There's a trailer going on or some other like their clip. And yeah, all they're doing is just staring like, how can such a massive thing like YouTube not understand that this is not original content? They're not adding original commentary. They're not creating a new discussion. They're literally just ripping it off because

[A]

in their faces like, well, here's the challenge. It's not largely monetized as it is YouTube shorts. You'll get a million views, you'll make 20 bucks. So the issue is, I think TikTok was a site from the get go to rip people away from long form, higher level conversations and independent monetization. That's why Trump was like, don't destroy it, buy it, we'll use it. Instagram's doing the same thing. Remember when Instagram switched from. You followed your friends and what they were doing to. Now it's just random videos.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You open up Instagram, your feed is random people you don't follow anymore.

[D]

Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I Think there's like two things going on here. First of all, like the Department of Education just should come out with data and be like, I don't know, we should just ban carousel content. That's obviously pie in the sky. But like banning, banning carousel short form video obviously will just like literally fix everything. But I think what's going on here is anecdotally what I'm seeing is that more and more Americans are like spending less time on social media and they're just spending more time on like other Internet adjacent things. But like dead Internet theory is like something that everyone's talking about now and everyone's like complaining about the same things. They're like the reals, the tik tok is all just slop. Like Twitter, it just sucks now. It's just like everyone like posting the same thing over and over again. YouTube, it's all video essays now.

[A]

So it's just like everyone AI generated video essays.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. And a lot of them are just. Yeah. Outright AI generated or like heavily lean on AI.

[B]

Both.

[A]

Or, or you know, we get a lot of. There'll be, there will be a dude watching a clip from IRL pointing, going like this.

[D]

Yeah. And I remember, but this was like a big fight like a few years ago.

[B]

It's a very original point though. Like you don't see people do that kind of point.

[A]

We can't make money off it anymore. They get a million views and then we get death threats for it. And I can't afford security. Security. That's insane.

[D]

And it was a big fight. I remember a few years ago, I think it was around like the Fine bros over like the idea of like how much of a reaction counts as original content. Like that was like the big thing. So that was like ground zero of

[A]

like and, and literally a video of you staring at the screen without moving. So what happens is to beat the algorithm, a lot of them will just be a picture. They'll. And so a lot of this is coming out of India. They'll post a screenshot of a guy and it'll just be a guy in the corner just not moving because it's not really a reaction. And then the chat, like the challenge to YouTube is they could choose to be like, we are going to D rank all of this stuff. Maybe they will. I kind of think this is intentional censorship. Didn't work. So what do you do? You drown everybody. So one of the reasons we launched the Tim Pool show, I'm doing the straight one on one interviews is because again, we are Planning for all of this, you can't. Like, third party commentary is, is getting crushed and, and original sourcing is likely going to be more dominant in terms of content reach. Doing a show where we talk about the news, we opine, we fact check, is getting flattened by AI and content. Mass production, one on one interviews where a person will say, here's a thing no one's heard before will be the stone in the ocean and not the ripple. So that's one of the things that we're strategizing on moving forward. But I'm going to stress that point again. Revenue for the average person. If you got started doing the podcasting stuff in 2018, you are probably making like 7% of what you were at your peak.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And it is largely due to AI mass produced content. It is, it has split everything up and devalued the content. It's. And it's also carousel content, like you mentioned. So again, when I say, like, yeah, it's destroying these industries, I have no confidence the next couple of years this business will be what it is. Now I can say this. I will have a company. It will exist. But that's because my company exists and we have the capital to move around and adapt to it.

[D]

Yeah, because this is like what radio hosts were saying in 2008, 2009, is they're like, oh, you know, I think like your Howard Sterns and all of them are like, all Crabbel podcasting, you know, Mark Marone, whatever he's doing is like, here to stay now, you know, guys like Tim Pool are coming into the game. So a lot of these radio hosts, they lost their livelihoods. But the unfortunate thing is, like, the obvious point, which is radio is still replaced by something of substance, even if it was in certain instances easier to make than like, obviously having a radio show with an antenna. Like, it's still a product that can be consumed and you can garner some knowledge from it. It's really fascinating to see, like, the way people are, like, bifurcating now. Like, something I'm seeing a lot of is now that Twitter is like, basically unusable, a lot of people are like, going to substack. Like, I pretty much get all of my information and to be honest, like, a lot of my takes from people that I liked in the past who posted a lot on Twitter, who like, abandoned the website now because it's just like, literally unusable and it's based off

[B]

like, like specific, like, heavy politics.

[D]

No, it's just like, it's all just slop now. Where it's like, you know, like Trump will say something and there's like 30 different accounts, exclamation point breaking. And it's just the same clip. And I'm like, it's the, it's the entire feed and everyone's pissed off all the time and everyone's regurgitating takes. I heard from like T10 years ago.

[A]

It's not just the best posters are

[D]

gone because they're either, they kept getting throttled or banned or, or whatever.

[B]

A lot of creators really got throttled. Like, I know even like not a big creator. My stuff got throttled.

[A]

Yeah, but how, how about we, we did this segment a month or so ago when people just rip off other viral content.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So it is, I'm, I'm watching a video and it was a woman telling a story and I was like, this story seems interesting. And then a few minutes later, a different woman telling the exact same story. Then there was that one video we covered where a guy was like, yo, what the, what's going on dude? And he's scrolling through reels and it's a bunch of different women, but they're mouthing over the same voiceover. So that's, that's dominating everything. Long form is getting crushed. The future is going to be. If you are not licensed to a mainstream network and you are not an a lister celebrity doing a show, you won't exist. Oprah Winfrey launched a podcast. Chevron launch a podcast. The strategy that I explained last year, two years ago, they are going to attack the space with AI content so that independent creators can't make a living anymore. And then they're going to finance the voices that adhere to the message in the narrative. So it's going to be like it was 30 years ago with network television, five channels, 10 approved voices and nobody else.

[B]

What do you think's going to happen with clipping, though? Like you mentioned that earlier and obviously that seems like the route that some of these places are going and individual, not monetizable.

[A]

And so companies that are engaging in it are just, they're taking a marketing strategy that's not going to give you a path towards making money.

[B]

And you're just kind of hoping that people would like get filtered to this show or this individual. This.

[A]

Well, the idea is to sell a product in the clipping. So when you hire someone to clip for your show, you have them put a soda brand, a coffee brand, a product. And that's basically, that's why when you see clips, it'll be like duel.com. and it's a picture of Charlie Kirk, like, you know, getting shot or something. I'm not kidding. Like, they do weird stuff. And Duel does, like, Charlie Kirk as the Taranga baseball bat guy.

[D]

Yeah, you know, yeah, whatever. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

The creepy, creepy, degenerate stuff. And now there's the. Have you noticed the V stepped into a crowd thing? Have you guys seen this? No, go on, go on. TikTok or Instagram. Every other video's caption will be V Stoke.

[D]

Yeah, there's that one. There's like, about Japan or about, like, the soda made the old fashioned way in New York City. Yeah. They repeat the same caption for, like, an algorithm.

[A]

It's all fake. And it's largely because here's the thing, if you're in China or India and you're a peasant who wants to make money, you click a program and it will make 50,000 videos per day.

[D]

20 bucks is like a game changer if you live in India. Yep.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

This is why, like, I've maintained. And you know, like, they got so close on, like, Twitter's like was like, the last hope for social media. And like Nikita Bier, he was so close where he was about to pull the trigger on, like, what would effectively geolock monetization. So, like, if you're an American, you can only earn money from the American market. If you're Portuguese, only from Portugal. If you're from India, only from India. Like, he was so close to saving the app, but, like, Elon or someone

[A]

waiting, someone, Someone tweeted it's going to negatively impact expats who are, like, living in France, producing content for Americans and remote workers.

[D]

And it's like, okay, you know, the solution there could be like, well, let's do basically the first World and then wall it off. Because it's like, that's how the Internet was. When everyone thinks about great. The Internet used to be, the primary reason is because the third world just didn't have access to the Internet. So it's like, if you can just let us geolock, like, if you let us as consumers pick where I want to see content from, I'm happy to see from the Japanese. Honestly, the Nigerians make some funny stuff. Sometimes I'd flip it on for a week and get crazy and probably flick it back off. But, like, just let us lock the world where it used to be because that's where the good content's coming from. I'm sorry, you know, India. If you're from India, whatever, whatever. You're not making good there's nothing good coming out of Indonesia anymore. Right. Or, like, not that there ever was. Or. Or Bangladesh, or.

[A]

Here's my prediction, Oman.

[D]

It's like, let us lock it to, like, America, Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea. We're good. We're done.

[A]

This drowning out of content, I think is frying people's brains as it pertains to culture and politics. It's just the same videos over and over and over and over again. Gambling content is skyrocketing like crazy.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

There's, like, an insane amount of gen zers making vlogs for just gambling.

[C]

Really?

[D]

Yeah. It's crazy how, like, zoomers. I can't remember who made this observation initially, but, like, zoomer entrepreneurship basically just looks like people scamming each other, like, all the time. And there's, like, a lot of truth that, like, I remember seeing that and in high school and college. Yeah. The rise of sports gambling is, like, really depressing.

[C]

The third worldification of the Internet.

[D]

Yeah. And then. Yeah. And then just the Internet becoming, like, just totally third worldified. So it's like, dude, you're just seeing a lot of young people, really people in general, but young people, like, tap out of politics, not because their brains necessarily fried, but they've just identified that they can't extract any value out of the zeitgeist, and so they tap out. When it used to be the zeitgeist was flooded with interesting ideas. Like, you would see stuff in the mainstream that was like, oh, that's interesting. But we're at the point where we've heard it all. Like, I've heard it all. You know, like, every take I hear, I'm like. Heard that, like, sorry.

[A]

I agree. I completely agree.

[D]

Yeah. So it's just like, that's why a lot of these guys like Tucker and Candace, it's like, yes, they may be just audience capture, capturing an audience, but I think a lot of it, too, is like, where's the next taboo? We're out of taboos. Kanye said everything already. We're out of taboos. You know, you could maybe say the N word. Michael Richards is the last taboo breaker.

[A]

It's not. It's not so much about taboos. It's about, there's something new.

[D]

There's nothing interesting. It's. It's been like, you have Curtis Yarvin on a daily basis coming out and saying, like, we should just, like, abolish America and establish a monarchy. And people are like, yeah, I don't know. I kind of heard that, like, three years ago, like, We've heard it all.

[B]

Tim, tell me what you're thinking about betting content though. Like what do you, what are you seeing? What do you think's going to take off? Because I mean, obviously I'm with you.

[A]

Let's, let's see.

[B]

Gambling. You can't watch a sports game. You had gambling stuff.

[A]

You had an agricultural economy. People largely just farmed. We, we went through industrialization and you had a manufacturing economy. People made things for each other. Manufacturing starts to see mass automation as well as outsourcing, which turns into a service economy. People are not just doing services for each other. Many people argued you couldn't. A service, A service, A service based economy is not going to work. What do you mean? People got to get stuff. Then you got the information economy. With the rise of the Internet, it was providing service, providing information to people. Like when movies were going to be available, websites popped up, made tons of money. In the 2010s, Daily Wire was printing money off Facebook articles. Then we got the attention economy and that's where we're at right now. The goal for the attention economy is to just to hold people's attention as long as possible. What comes after this? First provide information to people. Then everybody already has the information. So let's just beg them to stare at our faces for as long as possible so they can, they can be in our universe. After that we go into the prediction economy, not just informing people, but holding their attention by accurately predicting events.

[B]

So you're talking more like prediction markets. So you're talking about poly marketing.

[A]

Prediction marketing is gambling. Sports betting is all the same thing. In fact, many of these sports betting apps are now talking about their futures contracts. They're not even calling it sports betting anymore. They're saying you can actually buy and sell as a stock.

[B]

Now you've got Robinhood doing that.

[A]

Robinhood does it now as well. Futures and events contracts.

[B]

During the World Cup I saw that a ton.

[A]

People are making money off of accurately figuring out what's going to happen. Now I have some, I have some theories. I think this is AI programming. Basically the wisdom of the crowd predicting whether they think something will or will not happen is informs the network the likelihood of an event to occur. We call it the wisdom of the crowd. So the future is going to be twofold. The hybrid of attention and prediction is the gambling vloggers we see on the rise. And I'm talking. If you've not been following this, I'm sure you've seen a lot of it. There are dudes who are in their 20s, making millions of dollars, walking around with stacks because they sports bet.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And they're advertising sports betting. We see these, these videos on Instagram where it looks like it's a viral clip where a guy's like, I'm going to feed this homeless guy. And then as he's handing in the pizza, he pulls up his app. It's gamble.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yep, yep.

[A]

All that stuff or something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So apps like that, with basically what I've been seeing when you're tracking the numbers and you're tracking what young people are doing, gambling has become massive. So it's not just like casino gambling, it's anything predictive and then making content about how you. You achieved something or you predicted something correctly. Explaining how you knew a team was going to win, how you knew someone was going to elect it. Etc.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, because that's the interesting thing is not to throw. I don't think barstool is like trying to be like sinister about it, but I feel like there's a lot of the barstool bros out there. They were. It's like, yeah, like, I'm not going to go to the bar with the boys and, and not bet on the game. Like, we got to bet on the game. Like, I can't watch the game without betting. So I'm, I'm with you. I feel like that's what's been interesting. And especially with the amount of money, specifically with a little bit more of those, like actual. They promote themselves as prediction markets. Is calcium polymarket. It's through the roof.

[A]

Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me tell you something I was thinking about. It's very interesting. Can you think of any industry that is based around everybody, literally everybody, random people, non professionals coming together at a table to pool their money and see who wins. And it's an industry with professionals. There's an obvious one. I'm thinking about a job where you make money off other people losing money and you're a professional at it. And it's poker and it's exploding like crazy. Don't get me wrong, the World Series main event had less players, but this time we think that may be due to the big beautiful bill and that may have actually been intentional where they created this tax law which has destroyed the gambling industry. Maybe because they're like, oh, we see what's coming. But I was thinking about pro athletes. Where do pro athletes get their money from? Sporting event has house tickets. People want to go see the event. They buy food. There's A lot of money made from TV rights and then the company makes so much money they can afford to pay the athletes for the show, for the entertainment. Professional gamblers are making money off other people losing money. It's an interesting future when gambling is becoming so big. And I view it kind of like a UBI money that comes from nowhere. So you watch a lot of these videos that are popping up on Instagram and tick tock and it was funny. I was at the World Series and I was talking to a bunch of these poker bros and I was like, you notice that there's like 7024 year old hot gen Z women that are making poker videos now. I kid you not, it's insane the amount of Gen Z women who are doing like sexualized content while playing poker. Why? It's a very guy centric field. Guys are watching the content, they're trying to monetize their sex appeal off of the, the attention economy. They're playing a game where they try and make money off of other people losing money. That's ubi. When we go into a gambling future, young people just producing videos where they gamble, watching content where you gamble, it's basically you're contributing absolutely nothing to the system. This, this, this show is a conversation I joked was UBI because go back 200 years and tell a farmer that you can complain and make a lot of money, they'd be like, you're nuts. But the gambling stuff is literally just. You're making a living off of people who are losing.

[D]

Well, that's even like there's no, there's no contribution whatsoever. It's the markets too. I mean everyone's options trading now. At least the people that are, you know, have a bit newer, newer to the game, so to speak. And like a lot of them are beating the market. So then the rest of them are like piling and it's like triple leverage ETFs and stuff. And like Korea just had a huge market meltdown because they had like three time leverage.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[D]

And it was just like destroyed their stock market.

[A]

It was like 3% of the entire population got margin called.

[D]

Yeah. At once. And so you know, that's again unlikely to happen in the States. But it is to say that it's not like we don't have that problem. It's just their economy or their, their market is structured differently. But we have the exact same problem in the US which is guys, you know, leverage to the gills and they, you know, one, one bad month like we've seen with Iran, one bad month, they're done for. So it's like, you have a lot of these guys. It's mostly guys. Again, whether it's gambling, whether it's, you know, you know, at the poker table or in the sports betting, or they just go into the casino, which is the stock market right now. You know, your first bear market hits were cooked.

[C]

It's over when you. Especially when you go to leverage. Like, you. If you're three times leverage. If you're. If the.

[D]

That's the fentanyl of the stock market.

[C]

Yeah. If you're. You're talking about like three times leverage. If you. If it drops 25, you lose 75% of your investment.

[D]

Like, someone comes to your house.

[C]

Well, the banks can. The banks can actually have the authority, usually just to go ahead and liquidate your position. You know, you're like, sorry, we're not losing all this money, and they'll sell all your stuff. So it, like, I. I forget who it was. I think it was Warren Buffett that said, the only time smart people lose money in the stock market is when they're using leverage. It just wipes you out a bad day. You know, you're just done. So. And. And, you know, it's like you don't even have to go into. Technically have to go into bear territory to wipe someone out, because margin called. Well, yeah, but I mean, if you.

[D]

Well, there's only two industries that are growing right now, so it's like, if you're outside of those two industries, you're probably going.

[C]

The point that. The point that I'm talking about is, like, it. It's. It's reasonable to be like, oh, man, the market had a bad day and it lost 10%. Right. Everything went down. It's a huge, terrible day in the market. But if you're leveraged, that's 30% of your position. That's a. That's even. You know, I was.

[A]

So I was talking to Seamus Coglin at Freedom Tunes because he's producing a show right now, and I just said,

[B]

bro,

[A]

like, it's over, man. I can. I can make an episode of Freedom Tunes with AI, you know, at a dramatically lower cost than you came with your team. And he was explaining like, yeah, but there's consistency issues. And so I explained him like that what you do is you preload cells into the AI and then you have it render frames for you. And it will work.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it will cut your costs way down. And we. We debated a little bit, and then I pulled up My phone and I played AI music and you. And he just went like, man, it's like, what do we do? And I'm like, dude, I don't think people understand. Like, sure, there are Gen Xers, millennials and boomers who like going to see music Gen Alpha's growing up on. Click of a button, any song you want, whenever you want, only for you. And no one's ever heard it before.

[D]

It seems like the AI content is nuking the middle aged people far more than the zoomers. Because like you're seeing like, I mean anecdotally when you're watching a reel or whatever or YouTube video of like a person that's getting one shot at by AI, it's almost always middle aged to older people. Same thing when you see like AI slop always older people in the comments.

[A]

But you're talking about like what, like believing fake news.

[D]

I'm saying that people that like derive value from AI as it stands right now, I'm not denying that maybe in the future this could change. But as like AI where it is right now, like young people perhaps, or people broadly that are just smart enough to detect AI versus not AI.

[A]

It's not about detecting AI we're not

[D]

talking about, you know, but what I'm

[A]

talking about, why would I, why would I spend a million dollars making a movie I can make for a hundred bucks using AI and that the quality will be lower, but it won't matter because I can produce 7,000 of these movies in the span that it takes you to make half of the movie.

[D]

But what I'm getting at is like a lot of these people that will be interacting with AI slop, we're already interacting with slop to begin with. I mean, why were these Marvel movies doing so well? Why is the radio filled with garbage? It's like because people broadly just have bad taste. So I'm like AI, I think for people that are producing content that is high quality will always be able to find an audience of people that are seeking out high quality content. I think that's just going to be a truth that's going to. Because again, when you look at who's getting one shot at on the AI slop, it's like literally stupid.

[A]

So I will pause you right now and say that's literally the opposite of what is currently happening and has been for the last year. So you're just dead wrong.

[D]

Well, I think podcasting is declining because people don't have two hours.

[A]

It's not podcasting. Everything is going down every form of content.

[D]

But Disney and Spider man just crushed the like box office records like surely indefinitely. Spider spot because St. Gillis is selling out stadiums.

[A]

I mean we're seeing exist.

[D]

Yeah, we're hearing a huge return.

[A]

These things exist. But we know that Gen Alpha is a smaller generation. So outside of the, of the content explosion, you've got obviously big movies, Spider man, like when, when the woke stuff dropped off. Spider Man's just following the trend we had already seen with the massive explosion of movies making more money than ever made. The big movies. Like, like what did, what did Star wars make? Like a million dollars in the box office. Like not even that much money.

[C]

It wasn't that much.

[A]

And now we're in the era of, the era of the billion dollar movie, basically since Marvel started. So you do, you do have that. But when you are looking at social media AI generated content first. They're already using AI in these movies. They're already cutting their cost with it, which is the point. Yeah, when you can, when you can go on Disney and say I want to watch Spider Man Brand New Day Part 2 and it can render it for you in 20 minutes, what? No one is going to want to invest $500 million in this when they can invest $50 million in this. But half of its AI and that trend is going to continue and you are going to get 700 Spider man movies of this quality. And like maybe by. In five years we'll be there. We're already at the point where commercial grade AI can make five minute short films. And I didn't even think we were going to be here six months ago. I was like, wow, maybe in a year with Sea Dance 3, we're going to see these 17 minute short films. Sure enough, they've already got commercial grade American AI five minute short films. And people are starting to make tons and tons of these things. The video essay, the mini podcast, mini documentaries, all getting erased, viewership rapidly declining. And this is the natural cycle of all content. You know, in the early days of YouTube you had a big audience and few creators. So people are getting a million views. Those Same creators by 2013 were getting 50,000. And they were like, what happened? Well, more and more content is coming out and less and less people can consume. People don't have the time during the day. But if you look at how much carousel content people are consuming it consuming per day, it's hours worth of content. So this has dramatically displaced the podcast for which people were doing about one and a half podcasts per day, or they Were doing pieces of each. That's getting wiped out. Video essays are getting wiped out. So it's not even just about like a podcast. The 10 minute video is getting wiped out. And it's not about how much time people have during the day. It's that if a single human can produce 10, 10 minute segments in their morning show, but an Indian Guy can produce 7,000, it's impossible to compete with it. And that happened a year ago. So we're in it right now. I'm tracking all the numbers. We've been watching for it. Will it get worse? I don't see why it would not. But where we are right now is we're already past the point that you were describing.

[D]

Well, I mean, yes and no. But I guess what I'm getting at is you're seeing a lot of people a return to sort of analog experiences. I think what we're seeing right now is the mass disengagement of Americans from social media in general. Not that they're not spending time on their phones. Clearly they are. But everyone is saying the same thing, which is Twitter sucks. Instagram is useless. Like I can't even see my friends anymore. There's Nothing good on YouTube anymore. People are like piling back into like early 2000s, like TV, movies, stand up comedy. Sports is probably bigger than ever. So I think what we're seeing right now is the mass.

[B]

Definitely massive. I think that's the one thing. Sorry, keep going. I'll cut you off for once.

[D]

I'll just say mass disengagement.

[B]

And that's the interesting thing for me. It's like I'm in that sports space in that like X is still such a great place to get just really rapid fire sports content. Yeah, you'll get some of the same videos over and over, but keep going.

[D]

No, well, I mean that one thing is like the World cup because I was like, oh, wow. Like, you know, this could be interesting to see. When's the semifinal and then like porn video guy getting his head cut off and then more World cup news. You're like, okay, great. You know, X is awesome. The everything platform. No, but I know what you mean. But I think what we're seeing right now is more just like kind of a maybe. I think these social media companies are going to be an interesting bind. It's like, okay, do we ensure we dominate in the third world for eternity or do we like recapture American hearts and minds? And right now it seems like they're opting for the third world because it seems like Americans are just saying, okay, we're done with, like, YouTube, etc. We're going back to the movies. We're going to watch Shane Gillis perform, or you know who, you name it. Every comedian's crushing right now. We're going to go see, you know, we're going to go see local sports game. The World cup shattered numbers. The World cup tickets, like, $1,500. People were still paying for it.

[A]

Jane Gillis did sell 76,000 seats, but there's also blips. So there's what, one Gen Z stadium seller, Olivia Rodrigo, and then the rest of the younger generation can do arenas if they're lucky. Culture is fractured. And the other thing to consider is AI Music taking over. We're already seeing studios being like, we're going to start producing with AI. There's a bunch of songs already released from legitimate human artists that use AI without people knowing.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I mean, it seems like. And I want to be like, careful. I say this. The AI getting involved in music is just displacing people that I don't think anyone would call very good music anyway. Like, a lot of rap music is heavily AI influenced now. But that's not, like. That's not really, like, you know, fine art. Like, that's not. That's not music that people were listening to.

[B]

Don't tell Christopher Nolan then.

[A]

Wow. No, no, I. I see. This is. This is the argument I heard in the 90s.

[D]

Tough.

[A]

I remember when I was a kid, people were like, electronic music is fake. Learn an instrument. Me and my friends in the 2000s were using fruity Loops.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And then we heard from all these older guys. They were like, learn a real instrument. This is fake music. And then what happened? They all got displaced by electronic production.

[D]

Yeah. But you're seeing a push back into, like, more analog music again. I mean, like, Ella Langley is number one on the charts right now. And, like, that's. I mean, yes, there's obviously electronics involved in the production of her music, but generally it has this very acoustic kind of analog sound. And I think, like, I mean, yes, AI is obviously a threat to creative roles. I'm not denying that. But what I'm trying to, like, get at is I think a lot of this is just, like, cultural movements. Like, I think people right now are just kind of burnt out on social media. They're like, I got on this. The. The contract when I got on Instagram was I was gonna see what my friends are up to, and now I can't do that anymore. So I'M off. Like, I barely. My screen time has gone down rapidly and I get effectively paid to post. And I hate Twitter now. I deleted it from my phone. I just get on my desktop and use it because it's like, literally unusable.

[A]

But I think you made a great point. The social contract I completely agree with this was I want to see what my friends are up to. And now the only thing I ever get fed is what random people, I don't give a shit are doing. And they're all saying the same stupid things.

[D]

Yeah, I think people are cr. I think we're seeing a mass crash out. And I think, again, I'm sure there's Instagram, there's people in America that are just completely like slaves to their social media. But, like, they were going to be that way anyway. Like, these are people that were never pushing culture forward.

[B]

And all these people want to be content creators. And I mean, this is coming from me, content creator, and I make a living off social media. I think most people, they want to say, I'm given a political take on this or I need to find a niche there and I need to be able to build my brand. There's people. I wonder how many people are actually using social media just to post that stuff that we used to enjoy back in the day. Probably not a lot. They're probably just consuming. Yeah, they're probably, they're probably not just actually providing any sort of, here's my family and the kids and then here's we went on this vacation or like, it's all I have to give a take on something politically, I'm building my brand. That's what social media is.

[D]

And the, and the fundamental problem with like, this phenomenon that I'm suggesting, which is like, the great disengagement, is people aren't disengaging and like, having families and like, I don't know, doing healthy things. The problem is that they're disengaging but engaging with what we were talking about earlier, which is sports betting. Like, stuff that's not good for you. So, yes, they're disengaging from social media. Good, I guess. But they're not pushing into, like, tradition again or like, anything that would be, like, uplifting to the soul. Most of them are just finding something else that will, like, slowly chip away at them.

[B]

Well, they're trying to find an alcohol.

[D]

Actually.

[A]

This is a. This is a good, A good point as to why maybe gambling content. Sports betting, casino gambling, poker. Are taking off. It's because it's the One thing where you can't say something we didn't hear before. If you want to see something new, something different, it's not going to last forever, but it's watching the person say, here's a thing that never happened before. And people are like, whoa, a thing? Yeah.

[D]

Well, that's why what is sort of becoming the central of the room, you know, the center of the room is content. That is like clavicular. You know, we've never seen that before, but once you see it once, there's a reason why there's not other claviculars popping up. Okay, they exist, but like, no one's as big big as he was at his peak. Cuz no one. We got move on.

[A]

Clavicular is not big.

[D]

Right. But as far as like, you know, taking up the gravity in a certain space, I'm just using. Because everyone in the audience will know who he is. So I'm just saying, like, this is a guy that, oh, he wowed everyone, but he didn't create a industry of claviculars. It was just, oh, that was that guy. That was a weird.

[A]

Something new. Yeah, something different.

[D]

Let's find something else.

[A]

Cuz literally everything online every day is the same and we've like, people chat here and I totally get it. They're like, oh, it's the 17th episode of the same exact thing that Tim cast crew is talking about again.

[D]

It's like when he wants to complain about the save act for the 50th time. I do this on the rumble show where I'll be going through the news and I'll like, look at chat. I'm like, does anyone care? We're about to have 20 rumble shows after me that are gonna talk about the exact same thing. Do you want me to just talk about like, I don't know, gooning or something? And then typically the chat's like, yeah,

[A]

well, the truth is we want pictures of spider man. Yeah, well, I mean, but I'm not even a joke. This is. People wanted something new to happen.

[C]

Yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of people that are looking for, you know, some kind of escape from the mundane of, of the political world, especially seeing as there was so much energy around Donald Trump being reelected. And then there was a lot of. There is a lot of people that feel let down. So there's, there's a lot of people that are just like. But this is, this goes back to the whole argument about, oh, you know, people are really cynical. People are checking out of Politics. It's like when it comes to people that get their hopes up for some kind of big change and they put their, you know, put all their eggs in the Donald Trump basket, and then he doesn't deliver the way that they wanted him to or the way that they think that he should have. You know, it's really hard to not be like, it never changes. Like Brett, he says all the time, he's like, you know, things happen, but nothing ever changes. Yeah, well, and there's, there's validity to that.

[D]

And I think this is the way to like, properly understand Gen Z as well, is like, okay, like, sure, you have a far left element that exists in virtually every generation, but I think the vast majority of zoomers would probably vote for the Democrat Party. They do vote for the Democrat Party, actually, but they aren't like culturally like leftists. Like, they are pretty nihilistic. They think people that care a lot about politics are cringe. It's just when it comes down to brass tacks, it turns out that the policies that they would want to see are actually closer to what the Democrats would support. So that's why people are getting this perception that, oh, like the vulgar wave is back. Right. Like, you know, this kind of 2000s monoculture is back. But it's not like the Republicans are dominating now. Like, okay, yes, the institutions are becoming less obviously leftist, but it's not like the Republicans are necessarily dominating now. And it's like, yeah, because they'll still vote for the Democrats. It's just they aren't interested in like, Victoria's Secret having fat people everywhere.

[A]

I also want to stress there's no great battle right now. Spider man hit a billion dollars in three days. Woke is gone. I mean, it's like, not literally. I know there's still elements there and you know, get Hassan, Piker and these weirdos. But as far as the threat to people's jobs, like you were saying earlier, no one's gonna lose their job over saying retard.

[C]

No. Yeah, I mean, that was the big deal.

[D]

Like, it wasn't lost its fastball. I think that'd be the way I would.

[C]

Well, that's the, the thing that people got upset about is the most mundane, you know, social faux pas would end up ruining people. You know, that woman that the first person that got really canceled, that woman that got on a plane and when she came back she lost a job because she said, Netflix. Oh, you know, I'm going to Africa. I hope I don't get AIDS or, you know, haha, Just kidding. I'm white. Like, she was, it was fairly self deprecating and she was like her life was annihilated.

[D]

Nick Sandman, he like, looked at an Indian weird and they like tried to

[C]

like, well, yeah, but the point that I'm making is like the, the social attacks for the most mundane, silly things are probably over. If you do something that's actually offensive to, to a lot of people, then there might be some kind of call for like, you know, you know, you have accountability or whatever kind of gay thing to call it. But like, the fact of the matter is if you're just kind of like, look, I have these opinions and, and they're not 100% in line with what's politically correct. Most people are just like, man, whatever, the, the real fire behind woke is basically gone, you know.

[D]

Yeah, they still have a lot of their, they still have a lot of their tools. I would say, like, they're still able to impose their will if needed. But yeah, they've lost their fastball and it doesn't. I think the reason why a lot of people feel like the boots off their neck is because it's not as like in your face. I mean, like, again, you go through Victoria's Secret, it's actually like normal looking people on there. Again, you know, it doesn't look like the bar scene from Star Wars. You go to the movies and it's not like a, like obviously subversive. You kind of got to look between the lines to see how it's subversive. So, you know, even at sports games, like, they've kind of like stopped doing the kneeling and all that. So, you know, things are kind of

[B]

definitely still very, very woke, very left wing.

[D]

I mean, even benchmark came so high during 2020 that like, now that it's coming down, we're like, yeah.

[B]

And I think there's some sports leagues, like the NFL, they've learned their lesson a little bit.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But there's still going to be remnants of that stuff. And I wonder how long those remnants are going to last. Like the super bowl still has a black national anthem.

[D]

Yeah. Literally.

[B]

You know, they're, they're still virtue signaling, but. Yeah, I mean, obviously the, the peak between 2020 to 2022 people tuned out and, and you're talking about like, why does Spider man work so well? Because this is the actual outlet away from the culture war and politics. And it's a place where you put your phone away. Like, where's the other place within your life that you put your phone Away for two plus hours.

[A]

It's like, where.

[B]

And then. Then actually be entertained and not leave a movie theater thinking like, oh man. They really tried to push a message or an agenda or like this, that or the other thing in previews. It's like, no, you actually got away for a few hours. It was an outlet and you enjoy it. And that's. And that's why it's like, oh, I want to go to the movie theater now.

[A]

And there's.

[C]

There's always going to be a market for that. Right. An escape from the. The day to day things that you have to worry about. So like whether it be Spider man or whatever movie and sports used to

[B]

be, I think they're getting back.

[D]

I think sports are definitely back to where that was like. I think sports are at like apex right now. I mean, the World cup was huge. People that didn't care about soccer at all were like, finally something that like people are excited to be in America. I'm interested. And then they'd watch it and it's kind of a fun product, I guess. And it's like everyone everywhere in the world is watching it. Certainly in America that just shows you like sports is at its peak right now. Like everyone. A lot of conservatives who are like on sports ball or goy ball, it's like, dude, you don't understand that people are called, like, are engaging in sports because they're sick of the politics.

[A]

Well, and even, even a lot of

[D]

people partisanship out without having to be political.

[B]

And even like in America, I mean, soccer is the biggest sport in the world. But most people that don't care about soccer, they're like, I care about America. And I'm actually there's. It's not like the women's national team.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

That just like they mega Rapinoe's out there and Alex Morgan and they're pushing some stupid agenda. They're like, wow, this actually is an escape. I feel patriotic.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They're singing Country Roads. This is, this is great. And then that's on the. The back of our men's hockey team winning gold in hockey in the Olympics. I mean, that's.

[D]

Well, it gets. And it like it's. And this is how like it functions with soccer and. And Europe. This, I think functions across all sports. The United States is. It's like a release valve for like partisanship where like men, to be fair, you know, like, I think about Scotland and it's so liberal. I'm like, you know, if the green team and the blue team would just like lock in, like take their country back. There probably won't be many migrants there for much longer. But like, that's what I'm getting at is the point of sports is that it typically grows in popularity when people want to like get that partisanship out. Like, oh, I hate the New York Nets or the Brooklyn Nets and I'm a New York Knicks fan till I die. And it's like, because that allows you to get out the partisanship without making you feel bad and getting involved in politics and like actually maybe hurting someone's feelings.

[A]

I mean, I wonder. There's, there's big stuff going on with New York. Like Mamdani is doing. Let's, let's, let's do this. Let's pull this story up. This is the end is nigh. I guess. Nobody cares though. Mamdani says no ID for voting, but bring one to his government grocery store. Sort of a library card ask thing. Okay, I'm going to give the quick version. Mamdani's opening grocery stores. They're going to set the prices 30% below retail at their store, hold that price for the month and reassess every month and keep their prices 30% lower than the competition. The expectation is that surrounding grocery stores can't compete with a government run grocery store. So they'll lose a percentage. They'll lose a decent percentage of their customer base, which will cause a collapse of these businesses. As it does. Ultimately these stores will go out of business. They'll be forced to lower their prices, trimming their margins, which are already small. They'll end up losing customers anyway because you can't compete with 30% off because they operate on like 5% margins. If they're lucky, it could be 2% go out of business. Here's the best part. This will result in a food desert where your only grocery store is the Momdani city grocery store. But because now people who used to go to six bodegas are going to one store, they will not be able to keep it stocked. It's not that big. This will result in shortages. But fear not. With their new library card esque thing, they'll make sure you're only purchasing one loaf of bread and one gallon of milk per week. So now as you wait in your bread line for your bread and you go to buy it, they're going to say, I got to scan your card. They're going to scan it and say, I'm sorry, someone in your household already bought bread this week so you can't have any more. And now you're literally looking at a Soviet style system. This is why it's failed every country it's been tried in. It's why it failed even 15 years ago in Venezuela. Mamdani knows what he is doing. And so the bigger picture of what we're talking about is that everyone's checked out. No one cares about politics anymore, and it's worse than it's ever been in New York City. But hey, Mamdani came out and lied, claiming that he got door dash driver's tips. And so bread and circuses, baby. Your peasant workers who spend more money on their vehicles because of wear and tear, who don't realize they're getting ripped to shred by these delivery apps and by Uber, are now getting slightly more tips. It's like the people stand outside screaming were suffering. And Mamdani comes out and throws bread at him and says, I've solved your problems.

[D]

Yeah, the arbitrage opportunities are going to be like sick. Like you'll be able to totally like print. If you manage to get your hands on a library card in New York, you can go on there because I think the what the proposal is. Well, it's not. They're building one in the Bronx is 30 off of all essential goods like meat, dairy, bread, etc. So you just buy that at a 30 discount. New York already has so many illegal street sellers anyway. Like when I lived in Queens, who would be on the BQE traffic and they would have these little Colombian women like weave in and out with like pretzels and like fruit and stuff. So those are gonna be the ones that are just gonna like ultimately end up with a lot of these things and then sell it to us, you know, a markup. The people that magically are unable to get access to these grocery stores.

[A]

Hold on. This is why he doesn't say it, but it's a fact. You will be rationed at these stores. He's. Mamdani was asked, what if someone comes in and starts buying them up? And he's like, well, we don't want resellers to buy it at cheap and sell it higher. So there will be like he brings in this woman and she's like a sort of library card thing. The implication is that they're going to restrict how much one person or household can buy. That's the only way you can do it.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

So when they put everyone out of business, you will then go in and get your allotment of milk like the communists did in the Soviet Union.

[D]

It will be Interesting.

[B]

Treating these like the Pokemon that comes out at Target. You can only buy so much. That's what's crazy. That's the first thing I think of is like you're treating bread and milk and groceries like new Pokemon Blaster boxes that are coming. I heard so much.

[C]

I heard a really good, a really interesting take by Freeberg on the all in podcast. He thinks that, he was saying that he thinks that these are going to be extremely popular. They're going to work for a while because it's going to take time for the disruption to actually filter through the whole city and stuff. And so they're going to get short term wins on these and you're going to see a lot of people clamoring for these in other cities in the country because again, if these work for two, three years, that's long enough for people to be like, oh, it worked in New York, it can work here and make and demand that, you know, you get these kind of things in Chicago, you get them in certain parts of LA and you know, Seattle is going to follow suit because they've got a communist mayor. And so you're going to see a lot of this stuff turn into a short term win for the far left because people will vote because you give them free stuff. Right. If you, if you end up getting people free things and they feel like they're, they're benefiting from a politician, you know, even if it's a communist or what have you, they're going to say, oh, you know, this is actually good, this is working. And they're, and most people are going to think, look, we know that the rich don't have to pay their taxes and the rich get all this and blah, blah, blah. So it's time that we got something. These things are going to work.

[B]

It seems like the new cancel student

[C]

loan debt kind of. Yeah, it's going to work for a short amount of time in, and by short amount of time, I mean three to five years and you're going to see these things pop up and it's going to turn into democratic socialists winning more victories, more electoral victories because of this stuff. It's going to give socialism, it's going to polish socialism up and it's going to make it look good. And that doesn't mean that it's going to work long term because obviously they don't have the funds. You can't continue to do this forever. But they can work in the short term and that can turn into electoral victories.

[D]

Yeah, bad.

[C]

Down the down, down the Road for

[D]

the US I think. I think absolutely, like, that's the, that's kind of the clear pill here, is that because they're only doing five of them and they're doing them in the five boroughs, like, this is going to function for like 15 years.

[C]

It'll function.

[A]

You really think so?

[D]

Yeah, easily. How am I the only one who thinks that this can't last for more

[A]

than like three weeks before because there's

[C]

only one of them in the burrow in each borough.

[D]

That's. That's like you can. And then they have a private grocery operator coming in. So, like, basically you think, like, I

[A]

just can't see them being able to replace stuff as fast as people will be buying it for 30% of the price.

[B]

Maybe.

[D]

I just. Well, like, they're. They're putting them like. This is the thing is like, they're putting them in places to like, what they've said is actually true is they are putting them in places where there's like, limited grocery store options anyway. So you're only competing with like, bodegas in your area. And people hate shopping. Like, everyone in New York glazes bodegas. And it's like, do people hate buying groceries from there because, like, the milk's always expired, the eggs are always cracked and whatnot. So, like, these will work really well or they're going to make money? No, obviously, but it's like 70, $90 million what's cited. That's like a drop in the bucket for New York City.

[C]

It doesn't matter if they make money at all because the cost is going to get offloaded onto the state.

[D]

What's more interesting is, okay, let's say they function for 10 to 15 years. The, like, the imperative question is, what does this do to snap? Are these gonna be SNAP eligible? That's not up to Mamdani. That's up to the usda. So if the USDA decides that, yes, like, municipal ran grocery stores will be SNAP eligible, then we're in trouble. Like, then you're gonna see these pop up everywhere. If they're not, I don't actually think people will shop at these as much as you would think they would. Because if they can get SNAP benefits at, you know, Key Foods and they can't get it at Mandani store, they're still gonna go buy it at Key Food.

[C]

So that's going to. So who runs snap? Who? What?

[D]

Usda.

[C]

Usda?

[D]

Yeah. So under Trump, they could totally screw with Madani.

[C]

Yeah, under again, under Trump. But as soon as A Democrat gets in, the first thing you're going to do is say, oh, well, the problem is work.

[D]

SNAP is like even under Democrats, SNAP and food, like any sort of, you know, nutritional assistance is like completely dictated by the private sector. Like we literally had a bipartisan bill to make rotisserie chicken snap eligible. Any baby saying, oh, that's like Matt, no, it's because, you know, infamously, rotisserie chickens are a loss leader at grocery stores. So obviously like the entire grocery store industry, well, you know, Walmart, Tyson Foods, they're all lining up like, yeah, yeah, make rotisserie chicken snap eligible so you can like subsidize our loss leader, brilliant move from them. So I actually don't think, I think that's like Mamdani's blind spot. And I've seen a few pieces propose. This is like, look, if the usda, even under a Democrat doesn't play ball, then you're kind of cooked like it's dead in the water. Because most people are going to say, well, I can get my food basically free or for 50% at Key Foods versus what, a 30% markdown at Mamdani

[C]

Land they'll just sell.

[D]

Immigrants will probably buy it. That's it.

[C]

They'll just sell their SNAP benefits. And so that way they can get the money and go buy it at the, at the, what's it called?

[D]

Maybe either way, like grocery store, they'll be purchasing, they'll still be buying from because SNAP is federal dollars. So if you're key foods, you're still making your money. They don't care. They don't care where that money came from. So what I guess I'm getting at is like, it's actually kind of a nightmare scenario if the USDA doesn't do anything because people will still keep, keep. They'll keep all these grocery stores afloat with our money and the Mamdani grocery store will do well. It's actually like a worst case scenario. But Trump has to come in here and say, you know, and various other organizations that say, no, actually, no, you're not doing that stupid. You're not using SNAP benefits at Madani stores. Keep everything afloat, let them survive for 10 years and then people get bored of it in 10 years. Because like, I think that's the ultimate takeaway from Amdani is like you're gonna get more vape stores, more like people on Matt selling trinkets. He's gonna like rage bait the conservative media for another three years.

[C]

Yeah, like I said, I think that the Fact that they're gonna be, they're going to be successful for a short amount of time is going to turn into more DSA electoral victories. People are going to look at this and be like, look at what they're doing. They're, they're helping people. And you're going to see far more people from the DSA and far more people with these, these, you know, these type of programs on their, yeah. On their platform list. You're going to see that stuff.

[D]

SNAP eligible, they crush. Donnie gets to tout that all day long. Oh yeah, they're not SNAP eligible. People still go to key foods and they'll be like, well, at least our shelves are full. And like, I honestly it probably be a lot of like hipsters that'll be shopping at them. If I had to guess, like, I think it could turn into like, if poor people aren't able to, you know, if they don't want to use it because they can make more money buying from key foods, it actually, I could see it just become like a hipster thing to go to the momdani one in Hunts Point or whatever could be.

[C]

But you know, I don't anything that, that, you know, shines up the dsa, I think is, is bad long term.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, the feds have options here. I'm sure the usda, this is on their radar. Will they do anything? Who knows?

[A]

Let's, let's pull up this story. I don't know if you guys seen this one. It was a couple months ago, but it's going, it's, it's still going viral. Nvidia's latest partnership could pay your entire electricity bill by turning your home into a mini data center. So someone, someone apparently said they got $22,000 covered. They'll cover your electricity. Apparently you got to pay them because it's a service, but then they cover your electrical costs and your Internet costs or whatever. So you end up making back a lot more. And the theory is that we're not going to get data centers all over the place. This plan is to put many data centers on every house. Possible. It's cheaper. No one's going to complain because they're getting benefit from it. And then you will have a much, much larger decentralized data machine instead of a large data center.

[D]

I like that. I think like, okay, you read the headline, it's horrifying. But then you actually think about it and you're like, I'm sure this is, this has, this provides like future governments or whatnot like options in case people want to reclaim autonomy over these massive data brokers that gives them tools at their disposal. If they quite literally are just storing all their data locally, I think that makes a lot of sense. I think the problem is, you know, I don't know exactly how it'd be wired up, but surely it's not actually storing your local data, it's just storing random data.

[A]

Did you guys know that Spider man, the last one that came out before this one was five years ago.

[D]

Makes sense. Yeah.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

I didn't know. I hadn't thought.

[A]

2021. They did. 2017-2019-2021-2026.

[C]

Andrew Garfield, Spider Man. Right.

[A]

No, I'm Holland was homecoming was 17. Far from home was 19 and no way home was 21. And brand new day is five years later. The reason I bring that up is, can you believe it's been five years?

[C]

No.

[A]

I think everybody is bored of everything. And I bring this up in the context of the data centers because of what it means that five years passed and it's like, man really didn't like the spider man with Dr. Strange in it. Like, that was five years ago.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

What were we doing for the past five years? The same thing every single day, the same stories over and over again. And then our brains just snapped.

[B]

It's like the blip it is.

[A]

And I think I bring it up in the context of the data centers because as much as we're talking about, you know, people want to be more analog. They want to hang out with their friends. I'm not entirely convinced because that's boring to people, too. It's been five years and it's like, where is the time gone? Like, what are. What are you doing? What are people doing? I think people are going to flock to these data center machines to get the mini universes. I think they're going to put on the neural bands. They're going to go into VR and they're going to play video games, watch, wait for GTA 6 to come out.

[D]

Yeah, that'll be a really interesting podcast.

[A]

Or Dead. And it's going to be 70 million videos of GTA 6.

[D]

GTA 6, I think, is going to be like, if it's a good game or at least a, you know, app, you know, a fine game, it'll be the biggest cultural moment of the 2000s. I genuinely believe that.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

And you're gonna have, like, they're. They're economists are predicting like a, like 5 to 6%, like, decline in the economy. And I'm like that GTA 6 when it. When it releases, because so many people will call out a sick.

[B]

Yeah. Like, does it even need to be good?

[A]

Oh, I'm calling it sick. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. So.

[A]

I'm sorry, Phil. I can't make it.

[B]

I gotta.

[A]

You know, something came up. Family.

[D]

Oh, dude, I was planning on getting cancer around then, so I'll be out for like, a week.

[A]

Just a week.

[D]

It's like a spot. Yeah. It'll be fun.

[C]

Fine.

[A]

No, but ultimately, I just think that when we're talking about how people are bored with everything, what's new anymore. I feel like AI Content fried our brains faster than we realized. Just getting videos of Charlie Kirk and George Floyd polka dancing together. It's like. I've seen it all, bro. I saw a video where Charlie Kirk turned into a baseball bat and then went gambling. I don't even know what I'm. What I'm looking at these days. It's like a fever dream. I saw the baseball bat come into

[D]

a house party and then murder everyone with a baseball bat. Same guy. Very avant garde. It was like watching a weird, like.

[A]

And the crazy thing was that V stepped into the crowd.

[C]

V stepped into the crowd, huh?

[D]

V? Who's V?

[A]

It's an AI content reference. It's what every other video on Instagram is titled Tonight did the crowd.

[C]

I don't even. I don't. I don't look at Instagram, so I don't know.

[A]

Oh, tik tok. Instagram YouTube shorts, all. It's all identical. Random clips of the same thing over and over again in slightly different ways. AI Generated people are saying the same jokes. I've seen this. You know that joke, like, when you forget you're 40 and then you fall? Probably saw 500 of those identical. Same house party.

[D]

The fruit punch guy also came in and then put somebody inside of his fruit punch.

[A]

And then AI video, like, it's like taking someone's tongue and dumping. I don't know, like, just capsaicin all over it. Pure capsaicin. All of the spice of the world all at once. And you're like. And then your tongue's charred and just, like, blistered, and you can't taste anything anymore. And you're like, oh, I can't taste anything. Yeah, that's kind of what it feels like with AI Content.

[C]

I get how. How can. How, like, engrossing the. The swiping videos can be. Because I do it on X. Sometimes you watch a video, next thing you know, you're four videos later or Whatever. But I really just don't do that sitting and swiping and stuff. So I, I don't, man, I am an old man and I have a brand.

[A]

Young people are doing it. I went shopping with my wife and it was like a women's clothing store, like a boutique in Virginia. And this lady comes in with two kids and they immediately sit down on the floor and just start. And I'm literally watching them go, yeah,

[D]

they should just like unironically ban it. Like seriously, there's not a good argument why it should still be legal. Like all personal freedom. It's like, dude, who cares? We were like, we're 20 years past.

[B]

That stuff terrifies me though. Like as I got two young kids at home and I had, I was walking my son and my dog one morning and every single car that was going down the road, we walk to this spring training baseball field across the street from our place. Everybody was on their phone and I went home to my wife. I'm like, we already were talking about, you know, make sure our kids are not getting smartphones early. They're not going to be on the iPads, they're not going to be in front of the screens that much. But I mean, how old are your kids? 15 months and just over four months.

[D]

Well, this is the white pill because

[C]

I'm getting, I've got a nine month old and he doesn't watch tv. Doesn't. We obviously haven't given him a screen or anything. We keep the phones away from him. Like he's living in a tactile world where like reality. And I've got some friends who have, you know, they've got kids of similar age and it's like they're talking about the shows they like and blah, blah. And I'm like, none of that. I don't, I. We're probably not gonna let my kid watch TV until he's at least just

[B]

think about like how messed up all of us are in this room at times with social media with just scrolling and then even, even if it's scrolling video or it's just on X and it's like I'm just reading one thing after another after another and then I gotta see what this next thing is and I don't want to miss scrolling

[D]

half the time, it just goes to the next one like automatically.

[B]

Exactly. And then now you have these kids and it's just like, all right, they're gonna be screwed. They're gonna be totally brain dead.

[A]

I've got a 15 month year old

[D]

she's not having a right now. She has a, a calculator that doesn't work. So she pretends like hello, like I'm on the phone.

[A]

That's the closest.

[D]

This is the white pill. This is why like I'm actually kind of white pilled on whatever generation that is now. If this is like the talent of gen Alpha or if it's something new anyway because every new parent in the last like that's had a baby in the last like three to five years is saying the exact same thing in every single conversation. Which is no chance in Hades, my kids even touching a phone until they're 16 because they understand how much has destroyed their life. Where I think like it is possible for things to get better. Like it is possible. I mean the culture is react.

[C]

I get what, I get what you're saying, but all you have to do is go to basically any family restaurant and the idea that most people are doing that will be dashed.

[D]

Kids doing anything anyway.

[C]

Well, it doesn't matter the, the idea that there, there, there's so many young people that, and I'm talking about little like little, little kids. You walk into a cracker barrel and sit down and have, have breakfast or whatever. And there's all around you kids with, with.

[B]

You need to go through the tough stuff. It's uncomfortable to go to restaurants and go out with kids at times they're unruly and it's, you have to go. But just play with the crayon.

[C]

You have to go knowing that if the kid does something wrong, you're gonna have to get up and leave.

[B]

You don't give them the iPad to be like, I hope that they just start forgetting.

[C]

And then they're, they're gonna look, they're gonna do something, you're gonna miss some meals, they're gonna do something wrong. You're gonna have to pick that kid up and be like, okay, we're done. You did you, you can't do that. You're done with your meal. We're going home now.

[B]

Short time uncomfortability to get some long term comfort and some connection and peace. And you're setting like all these people are doing and not to just dog on a bunch of parents because I get there's times where if you're on a road trip, they're like, all right, if our road trip is longer than a couple hours or something, we'll give them an iPad to watch something for a little bit of time or whatever. But in general, if you're always going to Go back to that. You're ruining your child.

[C]

Do the drive overnight so that way the kid falls asleep.

[D]

Yeah, we're seeing like another iq filter. Like, we've seen lots of iq filters set up in, like, in genetics over the last few decades. This is another one where you're basically dividing kids between parents that had high time preference and parents that had low time preference. And your time preference stems from your iq. So you're seeing a lot of children are now getting nuked because their parents, like, don't care about them or they're like, they're dumb and they just can't read any articles or saying, do not give your kid an iPad. It's terrible. It'll like, destroy their life. They're like, purposely ignoring it or they're just, they're ignorant. Either way, it's not any positive traits I could attribute to someone that's just like shoving at iPads. They shut their kid up. But what's going to happen is that kid's going to end up like, retarded. And then yalls kids and very intelligent people who are raising your kids correctly, they're going to be fine because they weren't like, on screens all the time and they're going to be bossing around the dumb kids. So it's just another IQ filter.

[A]

It's like in the time machine, you know, in the future you've got these like, gaunt, thin, hyper, intelligent humans.

[C]

The morlock and the Eloy.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that's exactly.

[D]

IQ filter.

[A]

This is like, people have talked about

[D]

this for years that we're kind of heading to this group great filter where like, it's no, there's no longer be a middle class. It's just going to be like the smart versus the dumb.

[A]

Thank God.

[D]

And it's like. But the problem though is like, we have like, IQ shredders where, like, people that are really smart move to like, Austin and their birth rate drops like zero. So we had to kind of got to figure out, like, how to stop IQ shredding from happening. But I think the iPads are creating, like, a big divide.

[A]

We're going to go to the uncensored portion in a few minutes, but for now, we're going to grab some of your rumble rants and super chats. So smash that like, button. Share the show with everyone. You know, we got racist. Who says racist? What a name for Tim Cast tradition. Please welcome a new u. S. Patriot to the world. My beautiful wife delivered Atlas our first this morning just before 8am Congratulations. Mom and son are Both doing great.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

David Flora says Tate would prefer camel races over horses because he's anti American.

[D]

What? Did I say I was anti American.

[C]

You're a soccer fan? Yeah.

[A]

We didn't say football.

[D]

No. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Camel races sounds kind of sick actually. That would be kind of cool.

[A]

Soundless step says, hey, Tim cast, did you know about Malcolm and some Simone Collins and their channel based camp. They're super pro natalist and Malcolm is a master manipulator of AI. I wonder if AI is just intending to be that filter. Like you hear these stories. You hear that story about the guy who was convinced by AI that he like figured out how to save humanity. You said story?

[D]

Yeah. And it's like, these people are crazy.

[C]

Anyway.

[A]

Yeah, he was like talking to Chad and it was like, you're so smart. How did you solve this problem? Only you can do it. And he was like, wow.

[D]

It's always like schizophrenic homeless people whenever you see these articles, like, I'm sorry, that's just like the red pill is. It's never like high powered, like banker, like it's a psychosis. It's like it's always people that. You're like, yeah, they probably would have been talking to themselves anyway. So at least they get a robot to talk to. It's like, dude, a lot of people should just take the buyout when I comes along. It's like, you aren't going to be doing much better anyway. I'll be robbing places when. When they release times going down.

[A]

GTA 7 on the neural band. The economy is going to drop by 50% overnight. 50%. They're going to. They're literally going to. They're going to sell out of neural bands. I'm sorry, you're not going to. Elon's going to be like, he's going to be an old man at times. You can't get it.

[C]

It's.

[D]

I'm sorry, it's just too.

[A]

You can't get it. And those who do are going to be like, yes, I'd like to do whatever I want with impunity in my digital false reality. Yeah.

[D]

I guess it just depends on if GTA 6 is actually good or not. Because I think if it sucks, that's gonna be like the worst thing to ever happen to the gaming industry.

[A]

GTA 7 will be AI generated.

[D]

People will completely lose faith in like the institution of video games. They already hate it.

[A]

I would estimate within one month you'll have a Mod for the game where you can chat GPT one of your companions, so that you can have an actual conversation or like a faux conversation with, you know, the AI.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Hogwarts Legacy and the Lord of the Rings video game will help though, too. I'll throw that in there.

[A]

Check this out. This can be done for GTA 6 right now. This technology exists. Link GPT with the game so that all NPCs can have dynamic conversations with you.

[D]

Probably a lot of. Require a lot of data.

[A]

Nope. Are you kidding? I can type in a GPT right now for free. How's it going? And it'll say, it's going pretty good, I guess. What about you?

[D]

But don't most people play GTA online? So, like, the rest of the world would have to be seeing that AI and the big.

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Like on gta, you're playing GTA single player when you're playing multiplayer.

[D]

Yeah, they should.

[A]

And I don't think there's NPCs in multiplayer.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. Like the cars driving around and stuff. So it's like, it would have to load everyone at once. But yeah, like single player. That. Why don't they do that? You could store it.

[A]

They didn't Skyrim years ago.

[D]

Yeah, store it.

[A]

So you're playing GTA 6 and you can, with a headset on, walk up to a random person and say, hey, give me your money. And they'll go, what?

[B]

Who are you?

[A]

And you'll be like, I'm threatening you. Give me your money. And they'll have a dynamic conversation. It's there. We're there right now. You can do it.

[D]

I remember on 2K, you remember NBA 2K. And if you, like, say anything that resembled a cuss word, you get attack.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Crud.

[D]

And they be like, dump the te. I'm like, what?

[A]

Kim's the great in one game. Pims the great says Tim. Are you saying Candace has gone full Ian? You can't go full Ian. Candice has been saying for a long time now that she has powers. And this is really funny because I was. Which were you saying? You didn't believe it was real? Like, it was out of context on.

[D]

Yeah, I thought, like, that was like.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

I think she's in Doomsday, right? She.

[A]

Candace. Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. She appears and she's like, no. Candace talks about having psychic visions a lot. She was talking about for a while now how Charlie could. Could control electromagnetic fields. It's not an exaggeration. I'm literally. This is what she said. And she. She made reference in this clip that's going viral where she said that her and Charlie were in a special program as kids. Did you guys know about this Mandela effect? There's a bunch of viral posts on Instagram and Tick Tock that are telling people that they were experimented on his kids. And they're showing basic toys from the early late 80s, early 90s.

[C]

Oh, God.

[A]

And they're like the old headphones we used to have, like, when we were kids.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And they were like maroon red. And you'd plug them in and listen to things. They're showing that and then they're saying, like, remember this? They were testing you for psychic powers. And a lot of people, they're creating a community. They're creating a network. They're like, I remember this. They were testing us as kids, and it's just not. They're trying to see if we were deaf or not. Right. But as a kid, you don't really know what's going on.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So now Candace did this. Like, this is the game she's playing. There are a lot of people that love the Mandela effect stuff. And you're going to get a lot of viewership by saying that the earth is flat or that you got psychic powers or whatever.

[D]

You know, Used to be like, oh, my underwear label used to look different. Now it's like, I'm rfk stole my foreskin. Yeah. And it's told me my underwear looks different.

[B]

Yeah. It went from the Fruit of the Loom. Now it's like cornucopia to.

[D]

Yeah. It's like murder my parents. I don't know. You're testing on me.

[A]

It is funny because, like, the first Mandela effect was fairly mundane. It was like, I could have sworn the label on my underwear looked different.

[D]

Wasn't it the Berenstein Bears?

[A]

Was it an E or an A?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Now it's literally like, remember that program where the government agents would come and run experiments on you to see if you had psychic powers?

[D]

And you're like, I do.

[A]

Yeah, I do remember that.

[C]

I'm freaking magic.

[D]

Yeah. Maybe like, maybe like 30 of Americans have schizophrenia now. It's probably possible.

[B]

It's crazy. It's crazy how so many people can listen to that stuff and then say, here, Candace, say, charlie came to me and they still take her serious.

[D]

You know, maybe because it's the non schizophrenic people listening. Because the schizophrenic people are why podcasting is dying. Because they're already having a podcast in their head at all times. Oh, that's a good point too. Yeah.

[C]

Constantly being hollered at.

[D]

They disagree.

[B]

All right.

[A]

The RH heretic says, first I'm going to chastise you for your. I bet Tip won't read this. He says, what's happening between the Democrats and the DSA is almost a play by play. What happened during the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks with the Bolsheviks being an extreme minority. Please familiar yourself and audience with it. Indeed. That would be a good, a good conversation. Yeah. So I recommend you guys check out the Tim Pool show. We've got. The last interview we did was absolutely fantastic with Julie Mastrini of allsides.com we could have gone on for probably four or five hours talking about media bias. And it's really interesting because she's, she's trying to be very professional. All Sides tracks the bias of various organizations. The problem I. So this conversation comes to fruition because I canceled my membership. I was a long standing high tier member of AllSides.com and I canceled because a variety of reasons. The simplest way to put it is that Lincoln Project is centrist and Tim Pool is right. Right leaning. And I said if you were to say like on a tribal basis, Tim Pool is right leaning, I'd say, yeah, I guess, like there's two tribes. There's the left tribe or the right tribe. What does. It doesn't mean anything politically because Jimmy Dore is arguably in the right tribe. He's a socialist.

[B]

So.

[A]

But then when you put Lincoln Project at center, I'm like, those are left by every. They're advocating for Democrats to win there in the left tribe. If you're going by policy positions, the Lincoln Project is right wing and I'm left wing or lean left, but they're not. So I said what does center even mean? And we had a great discussion about it where center for all sides means they don't present buys in the way they deliver news. But then the question I brought up is like, if a politician lies provably, should I say he lied in the article or should I say he said thing? And they're. And she's like, well, I mean it's gonna. If you say he's lying, you're implying intent. And it's like, but what if we know he lied? And so. And then her argument was that's what the liberals say about Trump. And I'm like, and they're lying. Welcome to media bias Trump. When. When Trump did not say Nazis were fine people, the media lied Their attitude is to lie and claim Trump called Nazis. Fine people, but that's not true. So should I just say the media claimed this thing about Trump and not report it because they do evil things? It's a really fascinating 22 hour plus long conversation. I recommend you check it out. Don't forget to also smash that like button. We're going to the uncensored portion of the show. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Good sir, would you want to shout anything out?

[B]

You can just follow me on social media. I'm on X, Instagram, Twitter, Tick Tock, Facebook, Johnny Root, underscore J o N n Y R o O T. Underscore

[D]

good stuff and follow me on X and Instagram at Realtape Brown. Thank you John. You're the goat. And I think we'll get into some WNBA news in the after show. I know Phil's like, dude, finally talk

[B]

about what you're hoping for.

[A]

The only thing I ever want to

[C]

talk about I am Fill the Remains on Twix. You can check me out. You can follow my Patreon. Most of the stuff I put there is free. It's patreon.com filler remains. You can check out the band all that Remains at Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Sports, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime. Carter I'm Carter Banks.

[A]

You can follow me at Carter Banks Ever at Carter Banks. Official everywhere else. Check out our label at Trash house Records on YouTube. Still have a somewhat new song up there slash video, so check it out.

[D]

But yeah, let's get to the after show.

[A]

We'll see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL right now for the uncensored show. Thanks for hanging out. Sa.