SPLC ORDERED To TURN OVER Communications With Biden DOJ w/ James Klug

Summary

Timcast IRL – SPLC ORDERED To TURN OVER Communications With Biden DOJ w/ James Klug

Date: April 25, 2026
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Guests: James Klug, Ian Crossland, Tate Brown, Carter Banks

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into breaking news: a Congressional panel has ordered the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) to relinquish their communications with the Biden Department of Justice (DOJ), following an explosive indictment. Host Tim Pool and panelists James Klug, Ian Crossland, Tate Brown, and Carter Banks analyze the implications for political discourse, government overreach, infiltration ops, and the continually shifting structures of American law and societal trust. Later, they veer into broader conversations about the death penalty, property rights, societal cohesion, and the absurdities and oddities of modern technological and cultural life. The mood is energetic, irreverent, and—especially in the latter part—playful.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. SPLC Ordered to Disclose Biden DOJ Communications

• [07:21] Breaking News Introduction:
  Tim summarizes a Zero Hedge report that the House has ordered the SPLC to submit their communications with the Biden DOJ amidst allegations of wire fraud, false statements, and money laundering.
• [07:46] Tim Pool:
  "I think the SPLC is a fed op... there’s an ideological faction of individuals with wealth and power that operate in the government and in the private sector. It’s not so much to say that the government directs these things, but they are one and the same."
• [08:33] James Klug:
  Welcomes the investigation: "A lot more to go, but this is a great start. This is excellent."
• [08:55] Conspiracy Theories Debunked:
  Discussion on rumors linking right-wing personalities (Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes) to SPLC funding, prompted by coincidental travel and social media silence.

2. The Role and Subversion of Influencer Politics

• [10:14] Tim asks James:
  "What if this private-public conglomerate is paying right-wing personalities?"
  James Klug: "100% chance... Not them specifically, but in general, that's what I would do if I were them."
• [11:26] Tim Pool critiques Candace Owens:
  Traces her shifts through political movements, suggesting opportunism or possible attempts to destabilize the right; her "flipping" is interpreted as evidence of “operator behavior.”

3. Populism, Trump, and Ideological Purity

• [12:47] Populism’s Double-Edged Sword:
  Panelists discuss Trump’s use of populism to ride the "deep state" narrative but warn that populism's (often emotional) lack of structure leaves right-wing movements vulnerable to sabotage and ideological incoherence.
• [14:15] Tate Brown:
  "At a certain point... you have to intellectualize the whole concept... In the 21st century, with social media, it gets derailed quite quickly."

4. Immigration Enforcement and Systemic Obstacles

• [14:27+] Immigrant Deportation & System Rigidity:
  There’s a nuanced discussion on Trump-era immigration policy effectiveness, systemic barriers (judicial activism, infrastructure limits), and the slow pace of institutional change.
• [17:39] SPLC Mindset Criticized:
  Tate Brown references a viral video showcasing glee at the demographic shift in the US, criticizing it as emblematic of "the entire political system for the last 60 years."

5. Death Penalty, Firing Squads, and Legal Philosophy

• [20:12] Death Penalty Methods
  News that Tennessee (and possibly Trump’s DOJ) is bringing back firing squads prompts philosophical discussion:
  • Tim Pool: Opposes the death penalty due to the chance of executing innocents, but if required, supports “the most humane, instant method,” favoring firing squads over lethal injection.
  • Tate Brown: Argues the death penalty is "just to perform a mechanism—removing someone from society, not about revenge."
  • [22:25] Discussion on Execution Techniques:
    Detailed breakdown of firing squad mechanics, plausible deniability (blanks for shooters), and the psychology of the executioner role.

6. Property Rights, Castle Doctrine, and Laws as Societal Indicators

• [32:29+] Castle Doctrine/Deadly Force Laws
  Extended analysis on use-of-force statutes (notably Texas and Tennessee), distinctions between theft, robbery, and aggravated offenses, and cultural differences in property defense.
• [41:41] Tim Pool:
  "Laws are the signals of a dying society... You do not need to write a law for moral people."
  • Illustration: At ski resorts (a "high trust society"), no one locks up their gear; low/loss of trust leads to proliferation and complexity of laws.
• [44:00+ Timestamped Debate:]
  Parable: If you had a thousand upright, like-minded people (a "high trust society"), you don’t need written rules; but plural and distrustful societies require codified law to function.

7. Societal Trust vs. Diversity and Legal Complexity

• [61:30+] Impact of Cultural Diversity on Law:
  • Mass immigration and multiculturalism necessitate more and stricter laws, as exemplified by places like Singapore.
  • Panel agrees that laws multiply and authority centralizes as trust and cultural cohesion diminish.

8. High-Trust vs. Low-Trust Societies—Personal Anecdotes

• [63:12] Tim recounts living in a diverse house:
  Conflict over food and sharing customs between American and European (French, Italian, Spanish) college students illustrates microcosms of cultural clash, leading to rules out of necessity rather than communal understanding.
• [65:44+] Extended banter on markers of high-trust neighborhoods:
  • Leaving bikes/unlocked property as proxies for local culture and trust.

9. Rampant Technological Tangents and Comic Relief

• [71:27+] Robot Fails, AI, and the Future:
  Irreverent segment watching and mocking robot videos (delivery robots getting hit by trains, robot marathons), riffing on the impending obsolescence of street-level labor, and cultural resilience ("homeless vs. robots").
• [80:35+] Tim Pool (joking):
  "You got Terminators about the trip over itself… it's going to be busty anime waifus. Why would the AI make the scariest-looking thing? You'd run. It's going to make lusty young women, and it's going to go 'help me.' And you're going to walk over and it's going to go 'bang' and just kill you."
• [82:44+] Extended Google Earth Detour:
  The panel explores remote islands, atolls, weird maps, and odd global trivia, riffing on inbreeding, isolation, and random island cultures.

10. Legal Structures, Insurance, HR Policies, and the Corporate State

• [121:04] Corporate HR State as a Product of Legal/Insurance Regimes:
  Tim explains that much of the hated corporate HR bureaucracy ("wokeness," training videos, no-weapon policies) is a requirement of insurance companies, not ideological staff, driven by the structure of laws (especially post-Civil Rights legislation).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Tim Pool [08:26]:
  "There’s an ideological faction of individuals with wealth and power that operate in the government and in the private sector. It’s not so much to say that the government directs these things, but they are one and the same."

• Tate Brown [12:47]:
  "Populism... is great until you try to institutionalize it... the downside is, at a certain point, you have to have the intellectual structure or it starts to fragment."

• Tim Pool [41:41]:
  "Laws are the signals of a dying society. You do not need to write a law for moral people."

• James Klug [61:49]:
  "...in multicultural societies the legal code has to be more restrictive. Look at Singapore. ... it's a very draconian system. It's very authoritarian because that's the only way you can govern a multi-ethnic nation."

• Tate Brown [63:12]:
  "One day... the French guy ... was eating the food of the main dude... and the French guy said, 'in Europe, everybody just eats whatever they want. No one cares.'"

• Tim Pool [79:49]:
  "The best part is, like, when the robot breaks, imagine how much work it's going to take to fix that thing. For a human, you give him a cheeseburger... and then his body just fixes itself."

• James Klug [128:44]:
  "When you just ask them to explain it. Explain it simply or give a specific example. ... that's probably one of the biggest ones that we run into."

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Notable Timestamps

• [07:21] – House orders SPLC to turn over Biden DOJ communications; explaining the legal context and deeper conspiracies.
• [10:14-13:59] – Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, and the theory of ops in the conservative influencer space.
• [14:15-18:56] – In-depth discussion of immigration record, systemic obstacles, and the American legal framework.
• [20:12-31:16] – Death penalty discussion: ethics, methods, and the case for or against firing squads.
• [32:29-62:42] – Gun and property laws, Castle Doctrine, trust in society, and the philosophical basis for legal codification.
• [63:12-70:00+] – Anecdotes about societal trust and cultural clash in personal living situations; cultural origin of conflicts.
• [71:27-85:00+] – Comic detour: robot delivery mayhem, AI horror/satire, interplay between tech, crime, and the social order.
• [121:04-127:16] – Explaining the "corporate HR state," insurance, and how the legal environment dictates modern workplace culture.
• [128:44] – James Klug on street interviews: exposing illogical or incoherent viewpoints by simply pressing for explanation.

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The Panel’s Tone

• Frequently irreverent and sarcastic
• Cautiously conspiratorial, but self-aware in debunking more implausible claims
• Mixes serious legal and philosophical analysis with meme-worthy banter and in-jokes
• Openly skeptical about institutions but ultimately appeals for high standards of honesty, transparency, and civic trust

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Takeaways for New Listeners

• The episode offers a sweeping survey of the state of American discourse—investigative, critical, and at times ridiculous—punctuated by the unique, unfiltered commentary style that defines Timcast IRL.
• The SPLC investigation is seen as emblematic of a growing reckoning with information warfare, ideological subversion, and the confusion sown across the public sphere.
• Throughout, the central theme is the tension between high-trust and low-trust societies, and how the fragmentation of cultural norms is reflected in law, policy, and daily life.

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Summary prepared for listeners who missed the show or want a detailed, time-coded reference of the key themes and moments from the episode.

Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

House panel has ordered the Southern Poverty Law center to turn over their communications the Biden DOJ as the conspiracy runs deeper. And it's funny because we're seeing a lot of defense from these liberal groups and leftists saying they were just paying informants because they're ignoring the fact the indictment alleges they were providing money to an informant who provided transport for Nazis to some of these rallies like unite the right. Let me just break it down for you very simply. Conservatives would put together a peaceful rally not for Nazis. Liberal groups would then pay Nazis to show up. Then these liberal groups and the media would say every conservatives there was a Nazi. That is the very fine people hoax. And it's what they've been doing for a long time and now they're getting exposed. Interestingly, I've been talking about this all day. It's kind of funny as a conspiracy theory that Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens are in fact paid by the SPLC because on the same day, apparently they both traveled to Italy same time. And many people are pointing out that they as well as many others stopped talking the moment this indictment dropped. Which is not correct. It's not correct. I don't think Nick and Candace are funded by the SPLC or anything like that. But people are certainly wondering why this weird timing is happening. I also think a lot of it is just meant to smear them both. I don't. I. I think it's a lot easier just to accuse your enemies of being part of a secret cabal than to just acknowledge that maybe they have fans. But that being said, Matt Walsh has called this out, saying he predicted we would find there are a lot of convenient right wing personalities that have been funded all along. So we'll talk about that and a whole lot more before we do. We got a great sponsor. It's a shout out to our very own Discord members. Kenny O. Wood. My friends Kineo Mountain Woodsmithing is a proud American owned company that designs and manufactures every single product right here in the usa. No imports, no shortcuts, just honest high quality craftsmanship you can trust primarily a full service business to business manufacturer. Whether you need help taking a product from concept to finish, they can handle the entire process. Custom design, precision manufacturing, retail, packaging, warehousing, shipping. If you want a reliable American partner that makes your life easier and keeps jobs here, Kenny O. Wood will do it. They also run a retail website packed with their own original Wood designs. So if you need something personal, you can get custom engraving on existing pieces or completely one of a kind creations built to your specs. Because they believe hard earned money should stay in conservative American businesses and homes, not flow to corporate giants and leftist companies. Tim cast members get an exclusive discount code. It's beanie five. So kind of looks like beanies, right? That's K I N E O wood.com shout out. Check it out and I just want to give a quick shout out again. This is our Discord member Friday shout out. So for our members, we are here to promote the work that you do in the Timcast Discord community. If you have projects, companies or things that you think are good, beneficial, American made building culture, all of that stuff, we're going to be shouting you guys out. So shout out to the crew and the community and, and the hard work that you guys do and then buy some coffee. You always buy some coffee over@cash brew.com because it's delicious and it keeps you awake. Don't forget, of course, to smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is James Klug.

[James Klug]

What's going on, you guys? My name is James Klug. I am the host of The James Klug YouTube channel. We do street political videos on YouTube. YouTube.com James Klug. I'm excited to be here also. I had some coffee right before this. I'm flying.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh man, I'm drinking it right?

[James Klug]

Coffee's great.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I deleted slowly over time with coconut water.

[James Klug]

Oh, that's good news.

[Ian Crossland]

So awesome. This is the rise with Roberto Jr, I believe. No, it might be the graphene dream. I don't know. Things got hazy before I had it in my mouth. I'm at Ian Crossland. Hey, find me on the Internet. Ian Crossland, Tate Brown, many such cases

[Tate Brown]

and I'm a huge clue head. So I'm so excited. I have James. Let's get after it.

[Carter Banks]

Welcome back, James. Let's get into it all Right.

[Tim Pool]

We got this story from Zero Hedge. I didn't mean to click the image of it. And it reads, house panel orders Southern Poverty Law center to turn over communications with the Biden doj. This is massive. In a letter to Brian Fair, SPLC Interim President and Chief executive Jordan wrote that publicly available documents revealed how the DOJ partnered closely with the SPLC during the Biden Harris administration, including scheduling regular meetings with, giving the SPLC early access to federal law enforcement data and allowing SPLC employees to train federal prosecutors. The letter was also posted to social media. Chairman's demand came two days after a grand jury in Alabama returned an 11 count indictment alleging the SPLC had committed wire fraud, made false statements to federally insured banks and conspired to conceal money laundering. I'm just going to go ahead and say I think the SPLC is a fed up. I think, I think it's so let me put it like this. I don't think it's necessarily the government does it. I think there's an ideological faction of individuals with wealth and power that operate in the government and in the private sector. It's not so much to say that the government directs these things, but they are one and the same.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I think they probably the company started off as it was supposed to with its charter and then got co opted along the way. It wouldn't surprise me if that was.

[James Klug]

I think I'm really happy to see this going on because how many people have you spoken to that voted for Donald Trump for like redemption or cracking down on these corrupt groups that have been making consortium conservatives lives miserable, making their media miserable, everything like that. And people are finally actually seeing that here. There's a lot more to go, but this is a great start. This is excellent.

[Tim Pool]

Have you, have you seen the conspiracies though? Candace and Nick both abruptly flew to Italy.

[James Klug]

I saw that right before this actually. Is that, is that legit?

[Tim Pool]

Before they flew?

[James Klug]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Before the show I pulled that up.

[Tim Pool]

So I mean I'm my understanding is there's images of Nick in Rome he hasn't streamed in 10 days, his last stream. And, and Candace tweeted, I thought I told you guys I was traveling by. And according to a bunch of these bus. I don't know if they're true. She flew to Italy. Ian Carroll also said going dark for a little bit after David Wilcock took his own life. And I'm like what, what does that have to do with him? So I don't actually think they're funded by the splc. It is interesting timing. However, I will stress. Candace's husband is a British lord. Her lawyers work in a building with federal. In the same building as federal agents, which is odd. And her. Her lawyer representing her is a preeminent Zionist who when exposed by Laura Loomer, dropped himself from her case. All I can really say is coincidences happen all the time. It doesn't mean they're connected. Nick might have gone to Rome for a. For a fun trip, having a good time. What if. The what if. What do you think is a possibility that this private public conglomerate that has been running these ops could be paying right wing personalities, be it Nick, Candace or anybody else.

[James Klug]

I think that's 100% chance. That's. Honestly, that's what of. Not them specifically. Not them specifically. I'm saying just in general, 100%. That's what I would do if I was them.

[Tim Pool]

I know. And you know, like for us, we're paid directly by Israel, so, you know, clearly.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, we know how it works. I mean, use the same banking, actually, Western Union. It's fantastic.

[Tim Pool]

No, I mean, I think Netanyahu himself had to go to Walmart to pick it up.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, Alex Jones had put something out, like, regarding Fuentes. Like, it was like a pre Planned, like family vacation. So that one I don't think is as suspicious. But the Candace one's a little weird because, I mean, that was like again, out of nowhere.

[Tim Pool]

Both in Italy, apparently. I don't know, maybe it's not true.

[Tate Brown]

I think he's like Italian or. Anyway, so he said family vacation. It kind of makes sense. But the.

[Tim Pool]

And so did she.

[Tate Brown]

The Candace one is bizarre to your point. The federal connections, the. It's just fishy. And then hers makes a little bit more sense because there's a lot more subversion as far as, like her directly. I mean, she. She has so much accumulated power already. And with the.

[Tim Pool]

She was a lib.

[Tate Brown]

Right? But she had like. I mean, she's obviously been a ladder climber her whole career. There's no doubt about that. But specifically, the way she integrated herself in the conservative commentariat and the power structure, she was like structurally part of this whole operation, just to flip on a dime. And then, yeah, now this indictment drops. All of a sudden she splits down. It's like, what's going on?

[Tim Pool]

The reason why I think Candace is an op. I do think she's an OP in some way or somehow. She's a lib. She runs social autopsy. She's doxing conservatives all of A sudden she goes red pill black and, you know, discovers that she's actually a conservative, gets a job with these companies. Then all of a sudden, she leaves Daily Wire, and now she's flipped again the other direction. Now she's saying, Trump is bad. Don't vote for Trump. But when she attacked Nick Shirley, that's when I went, okay, yeah, now this makes no sense. There is not there. There.

[James Klug]

Adding a conspiracy to Shirley's work.

[Tim Pool]

She. She went to an old video from a year ago and then said he made. He. It was fabricated.

[James Klug]

Right, I saw that, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Why?

[James Klug]

Yeah, there's literally no point and. And drama.

[Tim Pool]

But not just that. Nick didn't do anything.

[James Klug]

Literally doing that.

[Tim Pool]

So here's the thing. The video with Nick was that he met gang leaders in Brazil, interviewed them, which is entirely easy and normal to do. But attacking that work, as if to imply he fabricates things to attack his current work. Why would she be doing that? Because she's an op. Because she is meant to destabilize and destroy the right. I actually look at it this way. Trump weaponized the conspirator, right? So with like, QAnon and all that, these people who believe in greater earth or flat earth or otherwise are flocking to Donald Trump to go for the deep state. Candace is capturing those people and pushing them away from Trump.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, it's all, like, part of it. I mean, Trump, you know, he rode the populist wave, he utilized populism. This is the downside of populism is what we're seeing now is that at a certain point, and Orban realizes and he lost his race for. For that, for that matter, is like, you can utilize it as a political vehicle for so long, but at a certain point, you have to have the institutionalize. You do have to intellectualize sort of the whole concept and that, you know, there was a push for that to happen, but, yeah, this is naturally going to happen in populism. When it's like, again, let's just sort of advocate for the common man. Advocate for, you know, the most popular seeming opinions that maybe worked in the 20th century, when in the 21st century, social media and everything, it gets derailed quite quickly. And you're seeing it now, I mean, again, where even whatever, you know, criticism, you want to level up the Trump administration, a lot of what I'm seeing is just emotion. It's. There's not much, you know, there's not much analysis going on. There's not much like, okay, he did well here, but he did bad.

[James Klug]

There they're just like the left's arguments. Yeah, it's like, it's like, no, no, I'm gonna stick with like my CA phrases and stick with things that are easy and I will not elaborate. It's like, okay, well, hold on. We, we, it's, it kind of reminds me of, of the people that go the opposite direction. Just a full, totally unnecessary. Look, they're, they're anti the, what's going on in Iran with the Iran war and everything like that. Okay, fair, take, reasonable, you can talk about that. But then there's also this push to be like, no, it's not just that they're actually good and they've never done anything wrong ever. Yeah, you're like, well, hold on, you're losing me now. This is psycho what you're saying right now.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, literally. I mean, because like, I mean, I myself, I mean, I've been opposed to the Iran war since day one. I think it's a mistake. I've even combed through some of these like self deportation numbers and I'm like, you know, I'm a little skeptical that we're actually pulling those numbers.

[James Klug]

Self deportation, you're saying?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah, like if you go through some of those numbers. But I'm also saying across the board, we're still making progress, like dramatically. And again, I just not really expecting perfection here. I'm expecting him to do a better job than the previous president, certainly, but to do a better job than any of the other Republican candidates. Because that's really how you evaluate. It's like, okay, if you're done with Trump, if you feel betrayed, et cetera, et cetera, that's whatever. What's the more viable political vehicle that's currently being crowded out right now? There is none. He's the only show in town as far as I'm concerned. At least for my political aims, my political goals, and primarily for me, it's immigration. And I'm like, well, I mean, he is pushing on immigration harder than anyone. The Republican Party has probably since Nixon, if not since Eisenhower.

[James Klug]

There are boundaries there, so there's like, there's like levels to which you can even achieve when it comes to mass deportations, for example. Like, sure. Could they be doing more in multiple places? Sure. But at the same time, there's only enough immigration judges, there's only enough, you know, areas where ice, detention facilities. Yeah, all of that. So there's, there's only enough ICE agents. So what, 20, 25, when they're still adding to all of that deportation infrastructure they broke interior removal records by four to five times Obama's average.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, no, I mean, the best of

[James Klug]

my lifetime, I'll tell you that.

[Tate Brown]

Undeniable.

[Ian Crossland]

And you better get better.

[James Klug]

It better. It better improve, too. And we should be demanding more.

[Tate Brown]

Exactly.

[James Klug]

Acknowledge where there's something good happening and demand more. That's what we have to do to save the country. Bottom line. You can't just be like, oh, something's good happened. You know, it's fine. We're just going to settle for that. No, it's. No, no, no more of it now.

[Tate Brown]

Because it is true that, like, you know, the supporters of President Trump, which include myself by, you know, by a long. By a long stretch, like, we are expecting transformational leadership. And so to your point, I mean, it's like, okay, we can do the whole, well, at least not Kamala thing. But I would have been saying that if it was, you know, I don't know, Jeb Bush, like, if you're saying, well, at least it's not Hillary, it's like, we do have the demand more, we do need to expect more. But at the same time, let's not freak out, let's not get emotional. Let's realize, I mean, even Tucker, who's been like, one of Trump's biggest detractors the last month, he said on his show, he's like, president Trump came into office and he started bumping up against interests that most presidents didn't even realize were there. That's why presidents often are quite like, they realize how rigid the system is once they get in. And there's not much you can do about that. President Trump, when you see the stuff like we're doubling the refugee cap, but it's still only for white South Africans, that indicates to me where their mindset is at on immigration. And I'm like, I am confident that they are thinking the same things that I'm thinking as far as what needs to be done. And if you look at Stephen Miller, for example, and some of these other guys in the administration, the, the tactics that they're using, they're having to do so many workarounds because, again, there's just so much rigidity in the system. The system has been built to facilitate mass migration. It takes a while to undo that.

[James Klug]

It's been built by leftists to facilitate, like, maybe, yeah, big corporations wanting to exploit cheap, illegal labor.

[Ian Crossland]

Sure.

[James Klug]

But also at the same time, leftists. That's why you have all these judges. So, for example, in 2020 fight, like last year, right, you had the Trump administration trying to push out as many activists out of this system as possible. Where March, I believe they brought on like 43 or so new Jud. You better believe judges, you better believe they're all gonna be conservative and are gonna get the job done instead of battling every step of the way.

[Tate Brown]

Well, look at like the splc, that video that came out where they were showing around his house. This is the mindset of basically the entire political system for the last 60 years. In that guy's office, he had a handwritten running log of the white share of the population dropping. As in, he was giddy, he was celebrating watching the white population in the United States dropping. That is the mindset of basically the entire political system. Every single apparatchik that's operated in the deep state. But even on the state that we can see. Cause presidents would say that out loud. Bill Clinton was like, thrilled that the white population is a minority of the country. And that's whatever. Sorry. Even if that's not your prerogative, you have to admit that that's bizarre. You have to admit that that's weird. You have to admit that that's like hateful and bigoted. And those are the guys that have designed this entire system. So, yeah, I am gonna cut the Trump administration a lot of slack here. Again, if four years go by and then it's. I mean, we're still nowhere close to even getting the Biden migrants out, then that's a conversation. But we're a year and a half in. Is there more that could be done? Yes. Is there some disappointing things that have happened? Yes. But if you look across the board, asylum has dropped way down. ICE arrests are at all time highs. Interior deportations are at all time highs. The self deportation system or the environment is hostile right now. So again, there are people that are self deporting and that's going to increase again as it gets more and more of a sort of hostile environment towards illegal immigration.

[Tim Pool]

Never in history, broadly.

[James Klug]

Yeah, never in history have ICE agents been dealing with baboons, like literally attacking them in the street. Everywhere that they go, like these people are acting.

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[James Klug]

Seem like absolute lunatics. Minneapolis. I mean, I was out there for like, one day. These people are psychopaths.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[James Klug]

Controlling every single street. No cops in sight, no nothing. It's just okay, you know, spend your entire day following harassing, attacking ICE agents. That has never happened before. So on top of all the other issues that they've been having, they're getting chased down in the street as well and doxed and whatever.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this. Next door, we got some cnn. Trump's DOJ is bringing back firing squads for federal executions. That's it. That's the news. And I'm in favor of. And I'll tell you why I oppose the death penalty. I think that a system with that can condemn people to death will condemn innocent people to death. And therein lies a big challenge. The easy way to argue it is when Kamala Harris walks up to you and says, trust me, that guy deserves to die. Will you say, okay, Kamala, because she was a prosecutor. These are the kind of people that are telling you to kill other people. That being said, I do think there are crimes so egregious, these people are a danger to themselves, to everyone else around them. Sometimes you are put in a situation where death is the outcome. What I mean by that is when there is someone who is on the verge of killing, harming, or is a direct threat to another person, we recognize the legal right to defend yourself and others. That's when I understand that sometimes people do forfeit their lives. So it's unfortunate. That being said, the reason why I support this is that firing a lot of the games that we play in the death penalty, whatever your opinion is on it, lethal injection is fake. If you read about lethal injection, you'll. You know that they say, oh, people just pass. They peacefully just die. Actually, they inject you, the paralytic agent so that you can't show pain, and then you die an excruciating death. This is a waste of time and money. If you are going to have a death penalty, this is the way you do it. I don't understand why anyone would argue this is inhumane to just be like, we are going to shoot you and you will Die instantly. These other methods, like the electric chair or whatever, these are inhumane. The firing squad actually one of the most humane ways to carry an execution. Though I will stress I'm not a fan of the death penalty.

[Ian Crossland]

I would like to see the numbers on how many firing squads have produced instant death on the person and how often they fall down and suffer and bleed out and have to be finished off. Because it's like, I think a firing squad is a row of dudes and one of them has no. Has a blank in the chamber.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So it takes away. It's like plausible deniability. Like maybe I wasn't the one that hit him.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. That's why. Yeah. The whole purpose was to sort of abdicate guilt, you know, because like, no matter what the executioner, unless they're a psycho, it's gonna be the back of their head. Like, I just killed a guy. So the whole point of the firing squad is. Yeah, plausible deniability.

[Carter Banks]

I assume I'm not supposed to aim at like a lethal spot, though. I don't know enough about it.

[James Klug]

But they do torso. They don't do that or something. That'd be crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Statistically, death by firing squad is near instantaneous, as opposed to other methods. Like the lethal injection takes several minutes over a long period of time where you are consciously having the chemicals injected. And the argument that I've read, I've read about it is they do three chemicals. The first paralyzes you. The next causes extreme and intense pain as the third one kills you.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And I think the key word you use is forfeit life. Because this is my same take on. A lot of these states now are passing laws where you can protect your property with lethal force. And everyone, you know, left, left wing people are like, you know, well, what, you're killing someone for stuff. You value stuff over human life. And it's like, no, that person is the one that's putting themselves in that situation. That person is the one that is sort of sacrificing their life for my stuff. So that says more about them than it does about me. So. And that's kind of the same kind of take I have on, On. On executions is like, no, when they decided to commit this horrific act, whatever led to this, this charge, that was the moment where they forfeited their life. That's the moment where the death penalty was issued.

[James Klug]

It's not the firing squad member, but

[Tim Pool]

again, like the question over someone. So the issue of the death penalty is can they be rehabilitated? And if they cannot Be, then we have a problem because we can't release them back to the public where they'll kill. Again. My issue is not with the idea that some people deserve to die. It's an unfortunate reality that if a guy pulls a gun on you and is about to kill you or a child, we don't want them to die. But in that action, they have forfeited their lives because they're trying to kill other people. Kill other people. The problem with the death penalty is when Kamala Harris walks up to me and points to a guy sitting in a chair and says he should die, and I'm going to do it right now. Tell me I'm allowed. And I'm like, I don't know. That guy is. And they're like, trust me, he deserves to die. I understand. People say there are instances where the evidence is overwhelming. Agreed. The issue is there are instances where it's not. And that means there's going to be a percentage of people who are desperately pleading not to be murdered, and you're handing an ax to Kamala Harris to go kill somebody. Now, again, that being said, back to the firing squad thing. In extreme cases, some people survive for minutes after. Up to a minute after being shot. These are rare examples, though, that also exist in other forms of execution, like the electric chair and lethal injection, where they can be botched. However, typically with firing squads, they aim at the heart. You die instantly. And as anybody knows, ask somebody who's been shot. People who get shot don't immediately know they've been shot. There's like, people watch movies and certain person gets shot and they go and they fly backward. Watch any of these body camera videos, there will be shots, and the cop will be, like, searching himself, and they're like. He'll be like, I don't know. I don't know. Because you don't feel anything for firing squads. So people get shot, they don't feel anything. They just die instantly. So I would say this ridiculous, modern, politically correct way that we approach these things, like, we need to have a lethal injection. No, no, no. Get out of here. Get out of here. Hang them. You know, if you decided someone should die, make it instant. Get it done with. What is the point? Okay? Is the point to maximize sufferings? People can watch and go, I want them to see him suffer. Some people like that. I'm not interested in any of that. If someone, like. I'll put it this way. If there's a guy holding a hatchet about to strike a child, we legally recognize everywhere you as a bystander, can shoot and kill that person to save the life of that child. Now, don't get me wrong, Jersey and New York might still put you in prison for it. However, what you are not allowed to do anywhere is shoot his legs out, walk up to him as he's on the ground bleeding, and then start digging your heel into his wound and shooting him in the stomach several times so he lives through the pain. That's not allowed. We don't recognize that as justifiable. So when I look at all this, these techniques they have for the death penalty, the ones that prolong or increase pain, should not be allowed. Shoot them. It's over. We're done.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. The death penalty, the purpose of it isn't for justice or revenge. It's just to, again, perform a mechanism. This person is unable to rehabilitate themselves, or the state's unable to rehabilitate them. So again, you're just removing them from society. Again. I mean, there's justice involved, but the problem is you're never gonna actually sort of achieve justice. When someone, innocent person was killed and then this person's clearly guilty. There's no exchange there. The whole purpose is just a mechanism. The same thing with prison. Like, prison is a mechanism to incapacitate people from harming other people. That's the whole purpose of it.

[James Klug]

I've had a ton of trouble figuring out where I stand exactly on that, because I think your first point of like, okay, flip it, right? Kamala Harris gets control over that, and they get to say, this person needs to be put to death. That's a little bit sketchy, obviously. But you know what's. What's more of a punishment? The. The death or for that individual, let's say they did something so terrible. What's more of a punishment? Being in prison for the rest of their life or the death and assumably quick death.

[Tim Pool]

It's death. It's gonna be death. I mean, I. I gotta tell you, some people want to die. I get it. But I just. For the people out there, I want you to imagine you are sitting in a room and they tell you, we are going to walk you right now, and you will be dead in one minute. Or you can sit here, locked in here and read a book.

[James Klug]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Everyone's gonna be like, I don't want to die.

[James Klug]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

This. The scariest thing with death penalty. Death penalty for me is we have executed innocent people. The response is, it's unfortunate. We should prevent it from happening, but it's a. It's It's. It's the unfortunate consequence that sometimes mistakes happen. So I just want you to imagine being an innocent person being walked to your death, where people are screaming at you and calling you a murderer, and you did not do it. And no matter what you say, no one will believe you and you're about to die. And then they say, yeah, well, then you'll go to heaven because God will judge you. And I'm like, that is not solace for the innocent people of which there are many hundreds who have been executed. So, again, I understand there is a big difference between watching a guy about to harm, abuse or otherwise, you know, kill a child and stopping him from doing it, and a guy you've never met that you are being instructed to walk to his death. These are big. These are. They're very. They're very different. It's not easy. It's not easy. Nobody wants to defend, you know, child murderers and rapists, and nobody wants to release them back into society. So I understand all of those points. My point is not to defend them. It's to say you've got blue states, largely, and don't get me wrong, there's red states that does as well, where some crackpot official is just like, don't know, don't care. He was convicted, so he dies now. And I'm like, man, I. I ain't doing that famously. I don't know if. Who was it, France? Who did this? The idea of, do you know why we do a firing squad? Do you guys know the purpose of a firing squad?

[James Klug]

Well, probably.

[Ian Crossland]

I think for one to kill. Liability for the shooter.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. The reason you have more than one shooter is that no one knows who actually killed him. And they. And apparently one of the guys has a blank. They say one of the guns is loaded with blanks and it could be any one of it. That way the individual can be like, it wasn't me who killed him. They can all believe I was the one with blanks. Yeah, because nobody wants to be the executioner. If you are, some people might.

[James Klug]

If you are. If you are just. If you do have the death penalty, having that is at least something good for the executioner.

[Tim Pool]

For sure. I think maybe it's Japan or somewhere. Maybe Japan doesn't do this. But there's a country where the electric chair and the lethal injection have three switches where three people. Like, two of the buttons are fake, one of the buttons real, and they all press the button and nobody knows who actually did it.

[Ian Crossland]

That's probably good. I wouldn't want to breed executioners as a society. Cause there's like pig killers, pig farmers that like, I saw this video, this guy's like, I don't know, I see pig, I kill it. And he's like smashing baby pigs on the ground and like throw. They're just like meat sacks to him. And you could train a human to treat other humans like that. So I'm glad we get away from that. And in regards to the death itself, as painless and quick as possible. Like you could, if you could instantly, at light speed, vaporize them, I would choose that.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

But as long as these, they probably have super high powered rifles with laser precision now.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

They're not like aiming and missing.

[Tim Pool]

They're.

[Ian Crossland]

They're putting eight bullets in the heart, four bullets in the brain or whatever. I don't know what they're doing.

[James Klug]

Why don't they just do like an AI?

[Carter Banks]

I was literally just thinking that, like, this is a job for a robot.

[James Klug]

That's literally a job for a robot right there. I mean, maybe that's. Look, you can debate anything nowadays, but.

[Tate Brown]

And that's. And that's the thing too is like people, the people's perception of the death penalty is very 20th century, like the way it works now. Again, we're able to mitigate a lot of these things. Like, that's a common fear I hear when people are talking about the death penalties. Well, what if we execute innocent people? The last, to the best of my knowledge, the last exonerated death row Inmate was the 1950s. It was like 1956 in Texas. I can't remember his name. And so it's like very. I mean, the amount of evidence that you have to present to get the death penalty is overwhelming. Where it's like more than obvious. This person, like you basically have to be on footage killing someone.

[James Klug]

And we definitely do a better job at funding that nowadays compared to, let's say like in the early 1900s or

[Tate Brown]

what happened all the time. Yeah. Because again, it was mostly just like off of like word of mouth. Like, we didn't. But nowadays, like the bar that it takes for a death penalty to be like issued by a judge, it's very, it's very high. I'm not really worried about innocent people being killed.

[James Klug]

In this instance.

[Tate Brown]

In this instance.

[James Klug]

This is something that I battle with too, is, you know, are we becoming a more moral and just moral and religious people or less? And who is our system really designed for? I mean, when it comes to what I see the left turning into nowadays, dude I wouldn't trust them with literally anything. I mean, look at their use of lawfare now as well. Going after conservative groups, religious groups, protesters, going after Donald Trump, going after, I mean, stuff that's just like, so absurd. And it's only being done right now because they just don't care at all. They'll use the law for anything. So if it's like, well, it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, way beyond a reasonable doubt, and it's you, Tate. They'll just make up a bunch of stuff.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I mean, that's the problem with governing in general is like, if you're the Trump administration, you have to govern like you're gonna be in power forever. Because this is the same. And I'm not saying anything here, I'm just saying this is the same argument people use with the DHS funding and the big beautiful bills. They're like, well, what happens when a Democrat comes in charge and now they have the GDP of an EU country for dhs? They're gonna be able to weaponize that against right wingers. That is true. But again, we just have to govern in a way that we wield power confidently. And that's kind of my thing is when we start second guessing what happens if they come back govern so well that we don't worry about that.

[Tim Pool]

So check this out from inside wire. Tennessee passes bill allowing use of deadly force to protect property. Agreed. Yeah, yeah, sorry. Texas allows this? I don't think. Well, actually West Virginia allows it to a certain extent. The important thing to understand is consult with a lawyer before advancing any further. Do not take this as advice because you should not be hurting people and we don't want to fight and whatever. My understanding though is that in Texas, if a guy steals your tv, you can kill him.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Because again, it's like you're valuing human life over a thing. It's like the criminal was the one that decided that. Again, me, I'm a well to do citizen. I don't, I'm, you know, have zero criminal record, et cetera, et cetera. If I were breaking into someone house, someone's house, and stealing their things, yeah, I would expect to die. Because it's like that's how egregious, that's how much I value the social compact. So someone that doesn't value the social compact like that, they're the ones that are sacrificing their life.

[James Klug]

What are you supposed to even do? You're supposed to sit there and wait to see if they kill you? Why Are you in my house? I shouldn't need to wait to see what you're gonna do. What on earth is that?

[Ian Crossland]

So does this.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, hold on. West Virginia gets a little bit better than that. See, here's the thing. In New Jersey, if someone breaks in your house, you are legally obligated to flee your home, even if your family's in the other room. Doesn't matter.

[James Klug]

It's psychotic.

[Tim Pool]

And so the story I've told a million times, when the police came to my house after a guy tried breaking in, they explained to me, if he broke in, you have to jump out the window if you run away. And I was like, it's cold out. It's winter. I'm like, barefoot in my underwear. And they're like, yes. And I said, where would I go? And the cop told me, I want you to imagine going before a judge after having killed a man. And the judge asks you why you did it. And your response is, I didn't want to be cold. Do you think they're gonna say that's reasonable, or do you think they're gonna put you in prison? And he was like, the prosecutor is gonna argue that you chose to kill a man. Instead of standing outside for 20 minutes, you could have went outside, called the cops, waited for them to arrive. Then.

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[Tim Pool]

support is always available because a great trip starts with peace of mind. Gone back in your house. And I'm like, that's insane. Yeah, Like I could. I would jump out the window. What if my family's here? Does not matter. Maryland. In Maryland, you're allowed to defend yourself only after fleeing into your home and they try to break in West Virginia, if they present a threat on any part of your property, you can kill them. Now, the important thing to understand is, in West Virginia, you can't just shoot a random person walking around in your property, because property is Big, expansive. And if someone's walking through your lands, you gotta say, hey, you gotta get out of here. If they're threatening you, you don't gotta wait to find out. The reason why this is this way in West Virginia is that people own large acreages. So if you got 50 acres and your house is in the middle and you're standing near the front of your property and a guy is on your property walking towards you, threatening you, the idea that you're going to run full speed to your house while a guy's got a gun and threatening you is ridiculous.

[Ian Crossland]

I had a question about the Texas law and now that potentially the Tennessee law. So assume you're not at home, you're out at Starbucks, you're walking around and some guy tries to take your backpack, can you just blast him?

[Carter Banks]

I don't think so.

[Tim Pool]

So let me, let me clarify. Under Texas Penal Code 942, you're allowed to use force. Some may, may, may be deadly. But to recover your property if you believe deadly force is necessary to prevent the person's commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief.

[Carter Banks]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

You are literally allowed to use for. Not deadly. But you are allowed to use force that may be deadly if they're going to commit mischief. That's correct.

[James Klug]

Nobody's doing any more pranks.

[Tim Pool]

Check us out.

[Tate Brown]

Smash your pad.

[Tim Pool]

Two point.

[Tate Brown]

Prevent.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, listen. Prevent the person who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery or theft during the nighttime from escaping with your property. Yeah. You can use deadly force if they're attempting to flee your property with your stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

Or what about just fleeing with your stuff on a street corner?

[James Klug]

Yeah, yeah, that, that was a really good question.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. It says you have to believe the property cannot be recovered by any other means. Like calling the police or using non deadly force would expose you or someone else to substantial risk, death or bodily. Bodily.

[Carter Banks]

Right. So if they steal like a gun and they're running away, you know it's loaded, they could kill somebody with that. Or.

[Tim Pool]

But, but I think this sounds like

[Ian Crossland]

if they are walking by you on a street corner, they grab your cell phone and run and you have the right to shoot. None of them recover your phone.

[James Klug]

I don't think that would, you probably wouldn't get away with that.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. If the guy has a gun and points it at you and says, give me your phone. And you do.

[Tate Brown]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Then he turns to run.

[Ian Crossland]

That's robbery, is it?

[Tim Pool]

Not robbery. And that's aggravated robbery. But the point Is robbery. That's aggravated robbery.

[Ian Crossland]

That thing you read said robbery. Just basic robbery.

[Tim Pool]

Right. And I'm explaining. Having a weapon is aggravated. If a person robs you at gunpoint and then tries to flee, they're saying you can kill him because that person, armed, threatened to kill you and may kill someone else.

[Ian Crossland]

This says they burgle you. If they rob you and then run and there's no way to recover the object unless you.

[Tate Brown]

The definition of robbery is force. There's force utilized in robbery now and

[Tim Pool]

aggravate is with a deadly weapon.

[Tate Brown]

Aggravated is with a deadly weapon. Robbery, bar none is just force or. Or, you know, like coercion.

[Ian Crossland]

If I'm holding my phone, a guy runs up and grabs it and keeps running. Is that theft?

[Tate Brown]

That's theft.

[Ian Crossland]

Because even if he has to wrench

[Tate Brown]

it out of my handpocketers.

[Ian Crossland]

But I mean, if he. If he has to forcefully take it out of my hand.

[Tim Pool]

Actually, if the pickpocketer has a gun, this law. You can.

[Tate Brown]

But that would be different. But in the instance where you just brush by and you have a carjacker,

[James Klug]

carjacker is maybe a little bit easier.

[Tim Pool]

Actually, that's better. That.

[Tate Brown]

That's.

[Tim Pool]

Carjacking is aggravated.

[Tate Brown]

It's aggravated. Oh, it's becomes a deadly weapon.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, well, no, no, it's not just that. It's like if a guy walked up to your car, knocked on the window and says, would you please exit the vehicle? I'm stealing it from you. You'd be like, no, he has to pull. Carjacking requires usually having a weapon or a gun pointed at you.

[James Klug]

Oh, people pull people out of cars. Like on car chases and stuff. They'll get out and they'll like, yank somebody out of a car.

[Tim Pool]

Why are people driving around with their doors unlocked?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know, man. Lock your doors.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I drive a Tesla. The doors. The handle just goes into the car.

[Ian Crossland]

Lock your. Lock your house doors even when you.

[James Klug]

Nobody knows where it goes.

[Tate Brown]

My car's base trim. I don't have electric car doors. I have to lock them manually.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm still.

[Tate Brown]

Sometimes I'll be driving and I'm like,

[Ian Crossland]

oh, I'm still confused because it sounds like robbery. Even if they don't have a weapon and you can't get the thing back unless you do something about it during nighttime.

[Carter Banks]

Nighttime is the big, big thing because you can assume they're up to no good. Yeah, Jeff.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

They're going to come kill you or something like that. If they break into your house, you have no idea. If you're a woman, you can kill them immediately.

[Tate Brown]

I love that. Like, some guy comes up to me is like, hey, we play smash or pass or God.

[Ian Crossland]

Because it says theft at night. Mischievous.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, sorry. He was wearing a clown outfit.

[Ian Crossland]

If they walk up to you and take your phone at night, then there's theft at nighttime. That's.

[Carter Banks]

Well, if they enter your house, then all bets.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I'm more about the street corner.

[Tim Pool]

Like.

[Ian Crossland]

Like forget, obviously at the house. Your home is your.

[Tate Brown]

They're making gesture.

[Tim Pool]

So we got some news. So this. This Tennessee bill takes effect if signed. So it's been. It's been approved. It's got to be signed. It will take effect July 1. You cannot use deadly force solely protect property. You can use non deadly force to stop trespassing or property interference. Wow.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

That means if someone's trying to like, jump onto your property, go whack with

[Ian Crossland]

a baseball bat, and if someone blocks your car, is that property interference?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. Maybe. Let's see. Lethal force requires a reasonable belief of imminent death or serious bodily injury or certain felonies involving a threat to people. So that's Castle doctrine and things like that. The bill is. Is narrow. It applies to when you're at your lawful residence, you are not engaging in any crimes, and you reasonably believe deadly force is necessary to prevent arson, burglary, robbery or aggravated robbery, aggravated cruelty to animals, and there is an imminent danger to you or a third person of death, bodily injury or sexual abuse. Now, I like that last one. Because if some diddler shows up, they're saying you can use lethal force to stop a diddler. Oh, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Only on your property. This is all about you.

[Carter Banks]

No, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no, no, no, no, no. The diddly. This specific law is about your property. Yeah, pretty dang sure. In Texas and Tennessee, if you are out in public and you watch somebody trying to diddle a kid, no one's going to stop like that. The law protects you from stopping that person.

[James Klug]

It seems like we have a lot of questions about this, but one thing's for sure, it's bad news for the diddlers, so.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, diddler's on the run.

[James Klug]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Did they got to get out of Tennessee?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Go away, diddler. Diddle yourself somewhere.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. Yeah. We need more. Well, I will tell you this. A laws are the. They're the signals of a dying society. That's just.

[Ian Crossland]

Wait. That's a circuitous way to say what I think you're trying to say. But wait, what because no laws are indicative of a healthy society functioning good laws.

[Tim Pool]

You are incorrect.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like morality extrapolated.

[Tate Brown]

If you have the codify morality, that indicates that something's broken. Yes, there's a combat well, you have to.

[Tim Pool]

You do not need to write a law for moral people. That's why at ski resorts people put thousands of dollars of ski equipment on the ground and just walk away from it.

[Ian Crossland]

Doubt it's 100 of the time that it doesn't get taken.

[James Klug]

I think it might. I think it actually is it actually.

[Tim Pool]

Yep, it certainly is.

[James Klug]

Came out. It was just like. No, no, no theft there.

[Tim Pool]

Dude. I went skiing a few months ago.

[James Klug]

It's unbelievable.

[Ian Crossland]

Jackson Hole, Disagree. My hometown.

[Tim Pool]

Thousands of dollars of ski equipment. We put it up against against a fence in a random spot and then we went and got food. Two hours later came back just sitting there.

[Ian Crossland]

My house was like that. But we still locked our doors every night and we still. You still play by the rules, you

[Tim Pool]

know, lock your doors at night because you're not in a high trust society. What you lock your doors at the day.

[Ian Crossland]

My dad would go to the garage.

[Tim Pool]

It's because you have crime.

[Ian Crossland]

I know.

[Tim Pool]

That's the point.

[Ian Crossland]

High trust societies you have no ski resorts.

[Tim Pool]

Don't have this.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I do.

[Ian Crossland]

Ski resort of all time. I mean, I'm sure there's been crime at ski resorts.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry, yes. Extremely rare. And so rare that no one cares.

[Ian Crossland]

The point where most people don't lock their back door when they go.

[Tim Pool]

Except your house where you lived had high crime.

[Ian Crossland]

No, it had very low crime.

[Tim Pool]

I'm talking about relative to ski resorts. Crime existed to the point where you locked your doors.

[Ian Crossland]

I. Most people didn't, but my dad did. Because even in a high trust society, you still have to. In case the outlying incidents is what I'm talking about.

[Tim Pool]

Why we have misunderstand macro level statistics. We talked about this over and over and over again. Do you not understand that crime is like point one at a ski resort, so no one cares. And in your neighborhood crime is one point. So people care a little bit. Do you get that? Sure.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. But it was a. It was a high trust society.

[Tim Pool]

You do not need to lock up your skis at a ski resort because the likelihood of it being stolen is 1 in 10 million. Sure. Could happen. Never does. Where you lived, you might get robbed one in a million. So might as well just lock the door. Do you understand that?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I think you're putting a lot of value on a ski resort.

[Tim Pool]

I made a point specifically about you do not need laws at the ski resort because crime doesn't happen.

[Ian Crossland]

Can you look up, does crime give me the last instance of crime at a ski resort? Chat GPT.

[James Klug]

Yeah, it never happens.

[Tim Pool]

It's not just that, but. Ian, do you not know what macro level statistics mean?

[Ian Crossland]

I know a mask.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. He's like, someone's skis got stolen one time, therefore you need laws.

[Ian Crossland]

Now you know laws. You saying you don't need laws? What is this argument against law? What are you doing?

[Tate Brown]

Well, this is like. Like Francis.

[Tim Pool]

It's called moral philosophy. Do you understand these concepts?

[Ian Crossland]

How do you codify it? How do you get people to do it?

[Tate Brown]

You don't. It's high trust. So it's like Francis Fukuyama said, like, high trust societies facilitate spontaneous social ability. So, you know, you're not dependent on like complex structure to behave well.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Seamus Coughlin would ever steal from you?

[Ian Crossland]

Not in today's standards. I mean, if things got horrible, you never know.

[Tim Pool]

Seamus Coughlin, the person, you know, the devout Catholic who runs Freedom Tunes. Steal from you? I just answered. So you. Yes. You think he would.

[Ian Crossland]

I said, in this situation that we all live in right now, there's no way he would do that. But you think there's a circumstance in which you feel for me, desperation. I don't know what he would do.

[Tim Pool]

Okay? So let's just try again. You know, let's just try again. Removing your weird caveats. I am talking about literally right now. You don't need to add caveat.

[Ian Crossland]

Trust anybody.

[Tim Pool]

Tim, you think Seamus would steal from.

[Ian Crossland]

I think everybody's potentially able to.

[Tim Pool]

That's why we need laws like that. That's why we need laws. Because people like you, low trust. Look, you don't trust anybody, so we need laws.

[Ian Crossland]

Because I trust Guy and I still don't trust anybody fully.

[Tim Pool]

You just said you don't trust people. That's the point of low trust society.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why you have laws so many times by humans.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

What is. Show me a high. What is an example of a high?

[Tim Pool]

A ski resort.

[Ian Crossland]

That's not a society, that's a business.

[Tate Brown]

Like the country ski resort is a

[Tim Pool]

series of businesses on public land with charters. And they're different.

[Tate Brown]

Nordic countries have like the most ease of doing business. They have like very, very.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta stop because.

[Tate Brown]

All right.

[Ian Crossland]

It's very recent crime at ski resorts. Parents charge after he killed 115. New York, New York.

[Tim Pool]

So clarify the point because Ian doesn't understand what macro level politics means. The likelihood of Seamus Coughlin robbing anybody anywhere at any point is zero. It's never going to happen. Literally zero. Now take two Seamus.

[Ian Crossland]

Taking you at your word though, you can't have a.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's not. It's a fact.

[Tate Brown]

Didn't he steal spoons?

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, it was all.

[Tim Pool]

Now, joking aside, the point is, Ian, because he refuses to accept standard arguments on statistics and you make stupid caveats because you refuse to answer a basic question. Simple question is this. And I'm going to finish this. I'm going to finish this. Seamus Coughlin is never going to rob anybody. Seamus Cognitive is never going to steal from anybody. 0 chance it ever happens. If you take two Seamus Coughlin and put him in a house, the chance that either of them will harm each other is zero.

[Ian Crossland]

You're glazing so hard right now.

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm using an example. I'm using an example of a devout Catholic with a moral structure that prohibits his him doing harm to others.

[Ian Crossland]

He's just a human dude. He's got flaws like all of us.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so again, because Ian is making fake arguments for the purpose of refusing to answer the question, claim that a

[Ian Crossland]

human has a 0% chance of ever committing a crime is crazy.

[James Klug]

I think the general idea is that crime is so unbelievably low at some of these ski resorts. Right. That everyone is trusting. Everyone is trusting when it comes like just about every 99.9%.

[Tim Pool]

That's basically my point is this. I have chosen a specific example of someone we know with a 0% guaranteed likelihood of robbing you.

[Ian Crossland]

Very, very low chance. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Zero. It's literal.

[Ian Crossland]

Zero to zero.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's not.

[Ian Crossland]

Even next to one is a zero chance.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Seamus is a zero chance. That's not how you are making world works, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

There's always.

[Tim Pool]

You're making up fake reasons where you're arguing there's a possibility of Seamus robbing you.

[Ian Crossland]

It's planning contingencies and that's why we have laws. You can't just say fine, it's okay to steal because no one ever will.

[Tim Pool]

No, no one steals because everyone believes it's morally wrong. You don't need to write it down.

[Ian Crossland]

Never been a situation where no one.

[Tim Pool]

Yes there has.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean not a world or a. The point or something.

[Tim Pool]

Ian, this really just comes down to the fact that you don't know what macro level stats means.

[Ian Crossland]

You said that like four times. And I, I know, I know the difference between macro level stats and Macro level stats. And I know how to get from one to the other. And extrapolation. I know.

[Tim Pool]

Literally don't.

[Ian Crossland]

I do.

[Tim Pool]

You don't. And you keep doing the same thing over and over again.

[Ian Crossland]

Make it more true. I know what macro level stats are.

[Tim Pool]

What is it?

[Ian Crossland]

It's when you look at what kind of stats do you want to look at? You want to take a city and say, hey, this year 98% of thing was done by person type.

[Tim Pool]

So why do you keep bringing up anecdotes? Because you can't comprehend outliers. Macro level stats.

[Ian Crossland]

They don't say that. This is how it always will be. Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

Ian's the kind of guy who doesn't have a fire extinguisher in his house because he's like, well, you don't need it because sometimes there's no fire.

[Ian Crossland]

I do have a fire extinguisher. My father was a fireman. I understand. You don't understand planning for the future. That's why we have laws.

[Tim Pool]

You're right. Fair point. Ian's the kind of guy who puts 10 fire extinguishers on his bed because sometimes there are fires. What?

[Ian Crossland]

You just completely did the opposite of

[Tim Pool]

what you said after your response. Indeed. I said, right. You're the guy who puts 10 fire exterior. 10 of them. 10 of them have one. Because you're like, what happened?

[Ian Crossland]

I have. I have them accessible in case of emergency.

[Tim Pool]

I will. I will. I will go back to saying this. There are facts and there are macro level statistics. And you make fake arguments at the anecdotal level because you refuse to answer the obvious.

[Ian Crossland]

You just made an anecdote about a ski resort and said we don't need law.

[Tim Pool]

It's not an anecdote. That's called the macro level statistics.

[Ian Crossland]

That's not that macro. I can make you absolutely macro. Or if you want it absolutely is

[Tim Pool]

a macro level statistic. Crime is so low at ski resorts they don't need to lock up their

[Ian Crossland]

equipment inside the insulated protective.

[Tim Pool]

Let's just slow down. Why don't people at ski resorts lock up their equipment? Guys. Anybody.

[James Klug]

Crime is virtually nonexistent.

[Tim Pool]

Correct.

[James Klug]

Nobody even thinks about it.

[Tim Pool]

And they don't need to actually create a system in which they tell people not to do it because no one

[Ian Crossland]

does because they're all rich. That's. You go to Burning Man. People don't rob each other of Burning man because everyone has stuff. I tell you. People are going to start taking.

[James Klug]

I would not trust people. Burning man. Actually.

[Tim Pool]

If I'M in a high trust society, you don't need to write things down. When you have 100 people that all have the same moral worldview, you don't need to write it down. You know why? Because if someone does something wrong and 99 of the hundred think it's wrong, they string them up. Nobody need to write it down.

[Ian Crossland]

That's. You have to write it down or they forget things.

[Tim Pool]

No, the issue of laws being written down is functionally, academically, and known to be a structure of low trust society, period.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that's the earth.

[Tate Brown]

Well, like, yes, a good example is like in Iceland, when people go into the grocery store, the mothers leave their babies and their trolleys like outside. They just leave them there. If they had to pass a law that said no stealing babies from in front of the grocery store, women would stop leaving their babies outside because they'd say, well, there's a reason we had to pass this law. That must mean that some people had getting their babies.

[Ian Crossland]

Kidnapping's legal in Iceland.

[Tate Brown]

No, but it's just, it would never occur to them to develop a law that granular in this instance, because again, there's no instance of that occurring. They just have very base laws like no murder, because if someone murders, we need to use that. But the United States has very granular laws like this because now there's instances of this occurring. Therefore the legal system is to react.

[Carter Banks]

Is it not like a sign of like, good protections for gun owners to, to secure their property though? Because I kind of like to think of this as a win.

[Tim Pool]

You did not need this law. 200 years ago. Everybody understood if you took someone else's stuff, you'd die. In fact, 200 years ago, if a thief came to your house and stole something and you shot him in the back with a musket, none of the villagers or townspeople would. Would. Would.

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[James Klug]

Way less than 200 years ago.

[Tim Pool]

Way less. It wasn't written down. In fact, in the 80s, if a dude came into your neighborhood in New York and was pushing people around, he would get stomped out. And not a single cop would intervene. You didn't need to write anything down. They said, don't mess with our community. We all know we are, but hold on. What if someone in that community went and punched a chick in the face? They'd stomp him out. And you know what the cop would do? He'd be like, he'd be like, rodney, what you hit a girl for? And they, and then he'd be like, you should arrest them. They assaulted me. He's like, shut up. I'm telling your dad what just happened. It used to be back in the day, back in the 50s, you get pulled over for speed in a small town, the cop would walk up to you and go, ricky, what you speeding for? I gotta see your dad at the pub later tonight. I'm telling you we're speeding. Oh, come on, Officer John. Don't tell my dad. It's like, I'm not going to give you a ticket right now, but catch you speeding again, I'm giving you a write up. That's how it used to be. Small, high trust society, they didn't need these things.

[Ian Crossland]

But it's like in your, in your house with your family, you can leave your wallet on the, on the coffee table. Because it's high trust. Because it's a small, tight community. As it gets bigger, the nature of society is getting larger, is you need law because you don't have the tight knitness.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Which is literally what started the whole conversation, that laws are a sign of

[Ian Crossland]

a collapsing society, sign of a growing society. I mean, it's not really, you know, it's maybe too much law.

[Tim Pool]

Why is there female genital mutilation in Dearborn, Michigan? It's illegal. We wrote it down, dude. Humans, it's illegal. Most of history it's illegal. It's written down, it's codified in law. How is it still happening?

[Ian Crossland]

Because animals want an animal.

[Tim Pool]

Does anybody actually want to answer the question?

[James Klug]

I think it's like Frank the Plumber, like he's the one doing that.

[Ian Crossland]

I think it's the human animal goes crazy sometimes.

[Tate Brown]

Muhammad the plumber.

[James Klug]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so let's try this again to somebody who actually wants to answer the question. We've banned female genital mutilation. It is a crime in this country. It's still happening in these areas of Michigan. Why is that?

[Tate Brown]

Because when you integrate different populations, it disrupts the Culture, therefore, there's gonna be different culture or different crime patterns in different areas because of the new populations that have come into the country.

[Tim Pool]

And those police are of that group. So even though it's written down in that culture, they say, we don't enforce against that. We don't want to. Yeah, same thing is true for putting a pie on your windowsill on a Tuesday in Boston or whatever, or skydiving on a Sunday in Florida, which is apocryphal. But blue laws nobody adheres to. It is illegal in West Virginia to cohabitate with a woman. No one's gonna arrest you for it. The point is, when we start writing these things down, it's because there is an impact between different cultures that disagree on what should be. So we put up a notice saying, we've decided. Therefore, because we exert authority through police and law enforcement, you all can't do the thing we don't want you to do anymore, which doesn't exist. That law is meaningless as soon as a new group of people come in and have a different moral worldview with each other. Laws being written down indicate that you need to inform people doing that thing to stop doing it. You don't have to do that in a high trust society. So back to the main point. You set up a town of 1,000 Seamus Coughlins. You don't need police. Police would only exist for external issues.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think so. He's not a paragon, he's just a guy. I mean, obviously, if you have a thousand people packed in an area, if something goes wrong with the food supply, there's gonna be conflict.

[Tim Pool]

Again, I stand by this and using Seamus as a example, because Seamus does not fear man, he fears God. And someone like him would think, if I take that food, I'll be condemned for my eternal soul. I'm not going to take that food. I will ask and I will work. So, yes, even in those circumstances, I do believe people can do crazy things. But what did we see with. Well, I want to get too extreme with some of these examples of cannibalism and things like this, but no, I'll do it. I'll use the Donner Party. The women survived. You know why? Because the. Because the men chose to die instead of resorting to cannibalism. Men. And many men and women did. Those that did chose to eat. But the men all died first. They sacrificed their well being for the women. Then there were people who refused to cannibalize and died. And then there were some people who did but it was. It was largely the females who survived for a variety of reasons. Ultimately, the point is there are societies and individuals that would choose death over dishonor. So anyway, laws. The written Constitution actually is. I, I don't think the Constitution is a real thing. And I think conservatives and liberals are wrong. Liberals use the Constitution for power as a manipulation tactic against conservatives, and conservatives genuinely don't understand the Constitution.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The best example being that when the Constitution was ratified in 1789, states could ban firearms. The federal government could not. That meant if you lived in Virginia, Virginia could take your guns away. Although I do believe Virginia and other states also had their own laws protecting the right to keep and bear arms. Blasphemy was a crime everywhere. Right. If in 1792, you walked in a town hall and screamed, jesus is not Lord. They would arrest you and you'd go to jail for it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, like the whole argument with that is that again, if the Constitution become. If the Constitution begins to be perceived as restrictive, that indicates that we're not in the same country anymore. So the Constitution, no one was ever running up against the Constitution. It's very rare that people run up against the Constitution. The Constitution was an issue for people. And if times had truly changed and they would make adjustments, like, you know, slavery, for example. But generally speaking, the Constitution wasn't felt. It didn't feel restrictive. We're in the, like, in the common era, the era that we live in now. The Constitution is constantly being debated over. People are looking for workarounds. People are frustrated by it. Specifically in blue states. That indicates that this is a different culture, this is a different nation than the nation that initially sort of framed the Constitution.

[Ian Crossland]

Isn't the Constitution supposed to be like a promise of what the federal government won't do to you?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

Isn't like, hey, we're going to. We're not going to mess with you about these things.

[Tate Brown]

The Constitution. Yeah. The Constitution, by and large, stems from the Mayflower Compact, the Magna Carta, which were more constitutional values as it existed in that time.

[Tim Pool]

Also incorrect. The Constitution outlines the structure of the US Government. The first articles literally just say, congress will do this job, the legislator will do this job. The judiciary does this job. And then you have the Bill of Rights after the fact.

[Carter Banks]

That.

[Tim Pool]

Which is where they said, let's make sure the government can't do certain things. The Constitution itself, in its core, literally just says, here's the nature of our government.

[Tate Brown]

That's what I mean. It's a snapshot of how things Were at that time.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. They created these things.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I know, but I'm saying it's a snapshot of their values, how government ought to behave.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, the power, the changes, then

[Tate Brown]

that means something else.

[Tim Pool]

But again, no, no, no. Article one is like the legislative body is being created to do this particular task. It's not a structure of values.

[Ian Crossland]

They gave numbers.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I would agree with maybe, maybe 20%. They're basically saying, we're going to make a government. The Articles of Confederation don't work. We need a federal government with some strength. Let's build it. They drew a map and they said we should do it like this. That's the first three articles of the Constitution.

[James Klug]

Yeah, it's the.

[Tim Pool]

That's not about.

[James Klug]

It's our government's framework, isn't it?

[Tim Pool]

Right. So technically it does.

[Tate Brown]

It was ratified by all the states. Everyone agreed.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I agree to. It's an extent that it references certain values, but it really just has a logical structure of function. Then the Bill of Rights come in and say, here's what the government can't do, like after the fact.

[Tate Brown]

I guess what I'm saying is that that structure makes sense because of the specific people that framed it. As in, we've given that Constitution to Liberia, for example, and they've had a drastically, drastically different outcome. So again, the Constitution, all of our founding documents were a snapshot of a people at a time indicating how they sort of agreed. I mean, I do agree there was like stuff that had to be debated or structured. But generally speaking, this reflected the population that existed at the time. This was a snapshot. And the more you push against that, the more difficult it becomes.

[Tim Pool]

Execute.

[Tate Brown]

The execution.

[Tim Pool]

It's completely different by today's standards. It is 100% different. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

You know what, I align a lot with that.

[Tate Brown]

That's why the judicial acts, like, you know, Congress, because they are now lawmaking, you know, over the last 50 years, the Supreme Court now acts like a legislative body and that's.

[Tim Pool]

It effectively is. And it's because, you know, the founding, the founding fathers existed in a high trust society. Everybody was Christian. Literally everybody there was like a tiny. I think, what is it like a few thousand Jews maybe, but it was almost entirely Christian. Now the Protestants, the Catholics didn't get along. Still don't get along. They get along a little bit better than now than they used to.

[James Klug]

Right.

[Tate Brown]

Even then it was 98 Protestants.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. And so the issue is two Protestants walk up to each other and they go, I don't want to be condemned for eternity. So I'm not going to wrong you and then have to worry about. They didn't have to worry about it that much today. You've got so many competing interests. Everybody is trying to twist the words of the Constitution as a weapon against the other.

[Tate Brown]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

That's where I start. I align with what the top of the segment where you were saying about laws indicate the decline of a society. Too many laws or laws that you can't enforce do indicate a decline. Too many laws. Like we need. We talked before sunset clauses on laws. We need laws to go away.

[Tim Pool]

Right. But the point ultimately is all of them. But you don't need a law written down. I'll put it this way, using Seamus as my favorite example. Seamus and I do not need to ever sign a contract that we won't punch each other in the face. Don't need it. Just not going to happen. There are some people that I grew up around that you would need one. Yes. And they'd still punch you in the face anyway.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Like, think about like a marriage. I mean, obviously something. Dynamics have changed. But generally speaking, the idea of the prenup was because there was a slight bit of distrust. There was a slight bit of something could go wrong here. Therefore I need an extra mechanism that I can execute on. If this goes south, where most couples would just enter a marriage and they wouldn't feel the need to put a prenup in there, that means that there's something else at play that could potentially derail this marriage. Therefore we need to add that extra layer to it.

[James Klug]

You'd imagine that obviously things have changed, but, you know, with a lot of these laws, you would imagine that mass importing tens of millions of third worlders will just result in more and more and more laws. Because we didn't know that we had to make laws about stuff that we never had a problem with. 10 years ago, 20 years ago. Exactly. Don't eat cats in your front yard.

[Tate Brown]

And it doesn't even have to be belligerent others. It's just, again, it's just a basic truth that in multicultural societies the legal code has to be more restrictive. Look at Singapore. Singapore is a great example. You had three populations in Singapore. You had the Chinese, the Malays and the Indians. These are societies that aren't necessarily killing each other all the time. But when you have competing interests. Right. There's no such thing as like a single Singaporean and, you know, ethnic identity. They have to create extra laws. It's a very draconian System. It's very authoritarian because that's the only way that you can actually govern a multi ethnic nation. That's just the only way.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I don't think you can. And Michigan proves it.

[Tate Brown]

Well, yeah, I mean, Singapore gets away with it because they don't have completely disparate cultures. But yeah, if you start bringing in other religions, people with like, people that come from countries with this very specific ideology, that's when you have problems on an extra level. The United States. The only way, like basically the question is, do you want more diversity, which will mean more authoritarianism or less diversity, which means more of a high?

[Tim Pool]

I got an easy story for you. I got an easy. So I lived in a. When I was like 22 maybe, I lived in this nine bedroom flat on the north side of Chicago. Like 13 dudes live there, all college students, all spending as little money as possible to try and live in this fucking. Whoop. I shouldn't swear. So I actually lived in the pantry. The pantry had a door to the kitchen and a door to the living room and it had shelves, but it was actually like probably 12 by 12. So it was a room, you know what I mean?

[James Klug]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so anyway, that's a room. One day, one of the dudes, the dude who like set the whole thing up, noticed his food was missing and he got pissed and he like went to everybody, he was like, guys, like, please stop eating my food. You know, I just bought this food. I come home from work, my food's not here, so I gotta go buy more. And there were three dudes. An Italian guy, a French guy and a Spanish guy. And then one day everything came to a head when the. Everyone was like a Saturday morning or something and like seven of the dudes who lived there were waking up and then going to the kitchen. And I'm in the kitchen and the French guy sure enough is eating the food of the main dude who likes at the apartment up. And he just snapped. And he was like, you mother, I told you. And the French guy started yelling at him, threatening him. And then what the French guy said was, in Europe, everybody just eats whatever they want. No one cares. So he didn't know that anybody would be mad. Don't yell at me. This is normal. You're the weird one. This is what happens. You take two different cultures. The American culture is, we all live here, but this is mine. For me, take your own. The European guy was like, in Europe, we live together and everyone just shares and no one cares. And if your food's gone. You eat someone else's. So this led to two guys screaming each other's faces, threatening to beat the crap out of each other.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And that. That is two groups that are very close to each other.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Tate Brown]

So imagine when you start importing people from very disparate cultures.

[Ian Crossland]

You have 99 seamuses and a French man. You got conflict, bro.

[Tim Pool]

Correct.

[Ian Crossland]

Can Seamus. Can he indoctrinate that French guy? All 99 of him? Can he do it fast enough?

[Tim Pool]

But the 99 seamuses have to go to the French guy and look him in the eyes and say, we have written down what you cannot do when you're here. Here's the rules. That's law, and that's called immigration. When people come to this country, we say, you have to abide by our rules. And they go, no. And then Biden let him in anyway. But guess what? The Seamus is amongst each other. They're just going to make jokes and they're going to make cartoons and make fun of Joe Biden all the whole time. They're not going to steal each other's food. It's just not going to happen.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, if only.

[Carter Banks]

Definitely don't let the French guy live in the pantry.

[James Klug]

Yeah. So moral of the story?

[Tim Pool]

Well, there was no food. But the cool thing was because. Because it had two, like, a way in and a way out. I actually, like during parties, I had multi access to my room from different parts. So it was kind of like having a portal that no one else could go through but me. That was pretty cool.

[Tate Brown]

Chicago Fire Department's like, which house is that again? There's people living in a peanut tree,

[Tim Pool]

and I would park my motorcycle in the lobby. Until one day the landlord was like, I will. I will destroy you. And I was like, all right. And then as soon as I put it outside, it got stolen.

[James Klug]

A motorcycle. A motorcycle is the ultimate test of a high trust society.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[James Klug]

You know, if you can leave it outside and it's not getting dragged down the street or stolen, you're looking pretty good. You're in a good neighborhood.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know you're in a good neighborhood when you see bikes on the lawn.

[James Klug]

Oh.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

Bike is just leaning against the house.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

Okay, where you leave it, Find it where you left it.

[Carter Banks]

Experience. Someone stole my skateboard when I went to skate once at a skate park and I just never left anything out again.

[Tim Pool]

That's pretty funny. At skate parks back in the day, we'd put our phone and wallet on a ledge and just go skate and just leave it there.

[Ian Crossland]

Dude, one time I left my bike.

[Tim Pool]

That's cool.

[Ian Crossland]

And I walked home and I was like on my bike and I got back to school and someone slashed it,

[Tim Pool]

had slashed the tires.

[Tate Brown]

I mean I grew up in a. I grew up in probably the most low trust society in the United States, which is Memphis. And I vividly remember we all lived in like a leafy suburb. So, you know, again, people were a little bit more comfortable leaving things out, et cetera, et cetera. But I played basketball, so we would go into like the city quite, quite a bit, you know, quite often. And I Remember one time we were playing this team, all the families, they like asked everyone to come to the middle of the court for like, I don't know, speech or something. I don't remember what it was. Everyone like a lot of people left their phones and their purses and stuff on the bleachers. Literally turned their back for 10 seconds and then they come back and it was all gone. And it was like. That just shows that.

[James Klug]

Like that.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, like literally the trust of your society can vary by zip code. I mean it's insane.

[James Klug]

You can also get like kids misbehaving too. So you can be in a super high trust society or high trust neighborhood or what, Like a super good area and I'm at a table. Like people coming in town from out of town, there can just be kids screwing around and misbehaving and that they'll throw off that balance a little bit. But just in a general, you know,

[Ian Crossland]

high trust society, one of the dads gets drunk and he loses his job and beats his kid. That kid goes and steals. Like it's still high trust relatively, you know, but one ab, one dude that just.

[Tate Brown]

That was the initial problem. That was the first like in the United States. The first instances where we started seeing like crime syndicates pop up was like at the end of the 19th century, cocaine became really widespread. So you'd literally have these crack fiends robbing pharmacies. And that was like the first instance that really shocked the conscience of Americans as far as street level crime that like a high volume.

[Tim Pool]

I think when you bring the mafia

[James Klug]

bag, you know, they did a good job in a lot of the neighborhoods in like Philadelphia.

[Tim Pool]

And just think about the values of the mob versus the, the crime and the gangs that we have today. So it's like there was that 19 year old girl in New York who was surrounded by a bunch of young black kids and they stabbed her, killed her. Remember that story?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The mafia were, you know, doing illegal gambling and it's just like, yeah, I mean that's bad. But like I'd rather have a house of the Rising sun sun style speakeasy run by the mob where people are like drinking and gambling than kids running around knives, stabbing people and stealing their stuff.

[Tate Brown]

It just shows how bad things have gotten because we went to the 1920s and they were like, man, we really need the mafia back. They'd be like, well, how bad are you guys living in a supervillain?

[James Klug]

Once we get you were like romanticizing

[Ian Crossland]

the mafia robots, we're going to fantasize about when we just had to deal with human corruption.

[Tate Brown]

I missed the Crips.

[James Klug]

They were great when they were actually humans committing crimes.

[Tate Brown]

The fun gang signs.

[Tim Pool]

It's actually a funny thing getting robbed by a. By an Optimus Bot. He, like, breaks in your house.

[Ian Crossland]

I missed the old.

[Tim Pool]

And when you report it, it's not a crime. It was a technical user error, so there's no penalty for the company.

[Ian Crossland]

Amen.

[Tate Brown]

Run your pockets. Give me that.

[Tim Pool]

An Optimus Bot walks up to you with a knife and just, like, goes still.

[James Klug]

The first one of those, like, food delivery robots, like the light bulb or the. The. The eyes that are just led. Like, the first time one of those rob somebody.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's going to run a kid over.

[Tate Brown]

Yo, nice one.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[James Klug]

Put it in the lunchbox.

[Tate Brown]

What happens when one of these little things my size.

[Tim Pool]

What happens?

[Tate Brown]

What?

[Carter Banks]

What?

[Tim Pool]

First of all, robots don't talk like that anymore.

[Tate Brown]

They should. I would. I would support them.

[Ian Crossland]

Might be able to program. What if.

[James Klug]

Yeah, they should.

[Tim Pool]

What if one of those little robots, like, hits a kid and the kid falls down and just keeps going.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I hope it's on video.

[Tim Pool]

And the kid's going, was it Chicago?

[James Klug]

Where was it? Where that one robot just ran. That glass shattered the whole thing.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[James Klug]

And they just ran from the scene.

[Tim Pool]

I'll pull that up.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, there's. Right now.

[James Klug]

That's going in the category of, like, the first we're seeing committed by AI

[Tate Brown]

because we're seeing it right now. There's literally a turf war between the homeless and the food delivery robots right now. Like, they're going at it, and I don't many homeless people just destroying that.

[Carter Banks]

I don't even know.

[Tate Brown]

Well, if they can get them sober. And then we see all the evalu, bro.

[Tim Pool]

This is the video. This is the video. Let's hold on. Let me get the. Get the sound. Watch this, watch this, watch this, watch this. Over.

[James Klug]

What do you think the food delivery app said at that point?

[Tim Pool]

Just like, wait, look at this. Oh, man, it's blocking that.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, that could really do some damage.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, wow. Oh, my gosh. Dude, like, this should not be allowed, man.

[James Klug]

Oh, my God. I think it can make it.

[Tim Pool]

Come on, Juan. Too scared. Hey, it made it.

[Tate Brown]

So helpless.

[Tim Pool]

I'm tired of delivering.

[Carter Banks]

I did not even know this existed.

[Tate Brown]

It starts screaming,

[Tim Pool]

oh, my God. I love it.

[James Klug]

That's my favorite one, guys. Okay with the train.

[Tim Pool]

First one's the best one.

[James Klug]

Did you survive that?

[Tate Brown]

He was literally tired of delivering.

[Tim Pool]

Bro, someone's Chipotle is gone. And they like check their app and it's like your food has been run over by a train.

[Tate Brown]

You can screw.

[James Klug]

Food evaporated.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, you can go scrape your burrito off the tracks.

[Tim Pool]

They need to make it so that when you order with these things, you can watch a live cam of it going on its journey. But I'm not, I'm only half kidding. One, it would be funny to watch it get hit by a train. But more importantly, what if someone stops it and meddles with your food or something?

[James Klug]

You can talk to. You can negotiate with the homeless people.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah, like bargain, right?

[James Klug]

If you let me pass, I'll tip you.

[Tate Brown]

Can help you.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait, wait. What's this? What's this? Oh, this is just people attacking a guy.

[Tate Brown]

Oh yeah, the delivery drivers.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Wait, what's happening? They were attacking people or getting attacked.

[James Klug]

We're dealing with some low trust delivery drivers.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, they wanted the.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, I don't know, like bears.

[Tim Pool]

Del Deliveroo.

[Tate Brown]

The UK is imported. 10 million people purely.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, middle. The. The drivers pulled knives.

[Tate Brown]

What?

[James Klug]

God, he's tossing it.

[Tate Brown]

They're fighting back.

[James Klug]

He's tossing in the bushes.

[Tate Brown]

He's cutting the food up. He saw the dude.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, if people in the UK want to live in Somalia, they can jump. Just keep doing exactly what they're doing.

[Ian Crossland]

I.

[James Klug]

It's the silliest excuse ever. It's like bring in tens of millions of people for the cheapest labor ever that's going to go extinct in 10 years due to AI. So then you're going to end up with these people and they're going to have to be on UBI if you don't get rid of them, saying,

[Tim Pool]

Well, stop watching the videos. Guys, what are you doing?

[James Klug]

I. I'm really having a good time.

[Tate Brown]

Sorry. So was I.

[Tim Pool]

All of a sudden they just stopped paying attention. They're hypnotized by the stupid video feed.

[Carter Banks]

We're gonna do another one. I don't know.

[Tate Brown]

My bad. We should just do two hours. We just like watched him surf Twitter.

[Tim Pool]

Right? Remember, Remember when that guy shot at the delivery drone for Amazon or whatever?

[Tate Brown]

Oh, yeah, that was awesome.

[Tim Pool]

What was arrested?

[Ian Crossland]

I heard about it.

[Tim Pool]

There was like a. Was like a Walmart delivery drone flying overhead and he shot at it.

[James Klug]

With the shotgun?

[Tim Pool]

No, the gun. Handgun, I think.

[James Klug]

Oh, it's a good shot.

[Ian Crossland]

Geez.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't say he shot it. He shot it.

[Ian Crossland]

How are we gonna defend against the robots?

[Tim Pool]

EMP guns.

[Tate Brown]

We're already seeing the.

[James Klug]

The trains. We're gonna use trains.

[Tate Brown]

Trains. The homeless country bumpkins.

[Carter Banks]

Obstacles.

[Tim Pool]

Here you go. Wait. Here's a good one for you guys. You ready for this one?

[Tate Brown]

Oh, this one's.

[Tim Pool]

You don't got to worry about the future at all, bro. I'm telling you. You got Terminators about the trip over itself. Here it comes. I can take them.

[Carter Banks]

The.

[Tate Brown]

That was gruesome.

[Ian Crossland]

Cheap.

[Tim Pool]

I know. It's like a particularly gory.

[Tate Brown]

So death writhing in pain.

[James Klug]

What's the most violent robot death I've ever seen in my life? I want to see it again.

[Tim Pool]

And all it was doing was trying to walk it.

[Tate Brown]

Pulverized.

[Tim Pool]

Stretcher. This is.

[James Klug]

Honestly, if I'm. If I'm starting a race that same way, I'm doing the same.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they have a stretcher.

[Ian Crossland]

Unless these guys are doing, like a. A bit like whoever created.

[Tim Pool]

That's a tough start, bro. His arm blew off.

[Tate Brown]

What is he made of porcelain?

[Ian Crossland]

They already have a stretcher ready.

[Tim Pool]

Why do they have a stretcher Fake.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, it stays.

[Tim Pool]

Just get a garbage can. We need a medic screen.

[Carter Banks]

That probably costs a lot of money.

[Ian Crossland]

Is that in China?

[Tate Brown]

I need a medic.

[Ian Crossland]

That's funny. Chinese dude. They got comedy skills, man.

[James Klug]

They got some.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait, what's it. And is there another one funniest? Oh, it's fake as AI. Nah, but there's. There's. Wait, wait, there's real ones.

[Ian Crossland]

Government garbage. The culture, dude.

[Tim Pool]

We are blending. Go backward, bro.

[Tate Brown]

That's me in the club melting down. Oh, no, I'm just kidding.

[James Klug]

That's actually me.

[Tim Pool]

My favorite one is the one that's chasing the hogs.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, that one's awesome.

[Tim Pool]

Got the backpack on and it's like running. Have you ever seen that one?

[James Klug]

You know, it's like the three hogs that. Oh, yeah, those were viral the other day.

[Tate Brown]

Those hogs are having fun.

[Tim Pool]

This is the best video ever, dude. Something you don't see every day. A humanoid robot chasing a herd of wild boars.

[Carter Banks]

Now general video from by somebody.

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[Tim Pool]

Edward can be ganged up.

[Tate Brown]

They could take them out.

[Tim Pool]

Animals fled into the forest, I guess. Then waving goodbye. Generated robot meeting with a Polish morning shows.

[Ian Crossland]

He's got to run a little faster. The are they. Come on, Edward, pick it up.

[Carter Banks]

Where is that?

[Ian Crossland]

Miami.

[Tate Brown]

He's taking care of the rest in Poland. I'm saying if those hogs turned around and like, like, jumped, I mean, they could take.

[James Klug]

I mean, they could kill him so fast. Yeah, he'd be wrecked.

[Tate Brown]

I'm long on hogs.

[James Klug]

His Arm would fall off right away.

[Tim Pool]

Here you go. Here you go.

[James Klug]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Bro, that thing's coming to kill you, dude.

[Tate Brown]

He's kind of like the.

[Tim Pool]

Look at his little arms. He'll stab you.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, I was thinking that.

[Ian Crossland]

It's those thin, small ones that I'm

[Tate Brown]

afraid of the blades.

[Tim Pool]

We can hear like, shooters.

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[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

What would you do?

[Tate Brown]

Tackle.

[James Klug]

Well, I can't see. Technology redefines speed and passion.

[Tim Pool]

It's okay.

[James Klug]

Passion. What's going on there?

[Tim Pool]

I can tell you just need, like, a laser. Dude, I. I want to fight one of these things so bad.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, my gosh.

[Tim Pool]

We could.

[James Klug]

We should have, like, metal gloves.

[Ian Crossland]

Can we get one that's just built to train you in martial arts? That'd be so awesome, dude.

[Carter Banks]

Or we get swords.

[Tate Brown]

There's a headband.

[Tim Pool]

We already saw this one. Is there another one in this?

[Ian Crossland]

You know, like, Ty.

[Tim Pool]

Same video? Okay. We don't need to watch that Kung fu.

[Ian Crossland]

Get it to train you.

[Tim Pool]

It was like the robot marathon. I guess they all. They all apparently died.

[Tate Brown]

Like, sad.

[James Klug]

Yeah, it's terrible.

[Tate Brown]

This is. We need Trump to, like, bomb another country because we're running out of news.

[Ian Crossland]

Running out of news back down to this. This is what's really important.

[Tate Brown]

It's like a pit stop.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Battery change.

[James Klug]

Changing A little bit of WD40 on there.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, they're putting ice in it. Is that because they're overheating? I bet it is.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe they should get these roll SD

[Tate Brown]

to fix their own.

[Ian Crossland]

Put their own battery in, and then

[Tate Brown]

take the other one out.

[Tim Pool]

I think one of the biggest challenges with this was overheating. That. That was like the. The endurance was based on whether or not it could make it. This is literally what the marathon was, how far they can go without overheating. I think he's pouring ice in. Yeah, look, he's cooling it off. Check that out.

[James Klug]

How does he not have, like, cooling

[Ian Crossland]

figured out for that?

[James Klug]

The whole cooling system.

[Tim Pool]

Why make him sweat? You know, he didn't rob in those butt cheeks. Hey, look, he's got. Got butt cheeks.

[Ian Crossland]

Hips for days, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Look at those butt cheeks.

[Tate Brown]

Cheek.

[James Klug]

That's crazy.

[Carter Banks]

Robot offspring with that.

[Tim Pool]

Imagine being chased by one of those things with a gun.

[Carter Banks]

What would it do once it got to you, though?

[Tim Pool]

Like, kill you?

[Carter Banks]

Hug you.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, look at this.

[Tate Brown]

Depends on the.

[Tim Pool]

Look at that guy. Oh, no, look at. Ice flew out.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, he's the ice.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's kind of funny how like. Like, you are trying to build these things. And when they make one mistake, they just die completely. Like rockets, humans will, like, collide in each other and bounce around and then get up and keep going. We're way better than robots.

[Tate Brown]

I'm not worried.

[Tim Pool]

And you. The best part is, like, when the robot breaks, imagine how. How much work it's going to take to fix that thing. For a human, you give him a cheeseburger, right? So he's in a Betty. It's a smoothie and a cheeseburger, and then his body just fixes itself.

[Tate Brown]

It was yesterday. I was using Grock, and I was probing it. I was asking it a question about ebt, and then it just said, who's ebt? You're like, come on, we're good. We're good.

[James Klug]

You don't know nothing.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, we're. We got this locked, so would you. I know what that is.

[Tim Pool]

No, you couldn't.

[Ian Crossland]

A foreign country or an enemy corporation wouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

Just a bunch of robots.

[Tate Brown]

We just released hogs.

[Tim Pool]

Hogs.

[Tate Brown]

Or they'll get distracted to chase the hogs.

[Tim Pool]

Imagine this guy right here, like, running at you, being like, halt, human.

[Tate Brown]

Deploy the hogs.

[Ian Crossland]

But that's what's gonna happen, though.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I'm telling you what's gonna happen. Terminator skeleton machines. It's going to be busty anime. Busty anime. Waifus.

[Ian Crossland]

So they don't have to chase you. You chase them.

[Tate Brown]

All the homos will have, well, what?

[Tim Pool]

Like, why would the AI make the scariest looking thing? You'd run. It's going to make lusty young women. And it's going to be like walking. It's going to go, help me. And you're going to walk over and it's going to go bang and just kill you.

[Ian Crossland]

Dang. You don't think she'll at least have sex with you?

[Tim Pool]

They got to remake Terminators.

[Tate Brown]

That would take out, like, half of India.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, imagine. Imagine this. Hold on. I have a pitch, guys. Somebody makes it AI a remake of Terminator where instead of, you know, instead of Arnold, it's like just a hot chick. And then he just shows up and walks up to Sarah Connor being like, hi. And then, you know, what's the other guy's name who tried to save her in the first movie?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, the dad. John Connor's dad.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Whatever he is. He's like, we got to run. This guy's going to kill you. But it's actually just some chick being like, he's crazy. Stay away from him. And then Sarah Connor's like, yeah, get this creepy guy away from me. And then the Terminator, just like a hot chick pulls out a knife and stabs her. That's.

[Tate Brown]

I'm not. A homeless guy would come behind, just rip him in half. Like, homeless will handle this. I'm not worried. This is why we've been training him for years.

[Tim Pool]

Loading up, actually.

[James Klug]

As are under. You guys are underestimating the power of tranq.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

They're actually coming.

[Tate Brown]

Their moments coming.

[Tim Pool]

This would be a better.

[Tate Brown]

On the streets.

[Tim Pool]

A better remake of Terminator is like, you know, Sarah Connors walking down the street and then like, you know, Arnold shows up and then he like grabs a shotgun and she screams. And then a bunch of just like refugees, migrants and homeless people grab him and start pulling parts off of him. And he's like being ripped apart and they all run off with it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Like literally, they deploy one to Haiti and they're just eating the robot.

[Tim Pool]

Terminator shows up and they just strip them for parts and then sell them.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Deploying these guys as actual troops is risky because if the enemy recovers them and reverse engineers it.

[James Klug]

You're.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, it might be inevitable to put them. What's that?

[Tim Pool]

You put a bomb in them. Oh, yeah.

[Carter Banks]

They would just self destruct. Yeah.

[James Klug]

It's the same thing with like aircraft or any tanks or any type of bomb.

[Tate Brown]

But we're seeing that these hogs are outmaneuvering them. We should be utilizing hogs. Foreign deployment. Yeah. Release a bunch of hogs. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Disperse the hogs. They did it. The Chinese did it to us with the marmorated stink bugs in the 90s, I heard.

[Tate Brown]

True. Yeah. So we.

[Tim Pool]

And wineberries, because we haven't over.

[Tate Brown]

We have a problem with hog populations. Just round them all up and deploy them to Iran.

[Ian Crossland]

So much meat, though, then they can eat it all.

[Tate Brown]

That's true. It might strengthen, you know, like, you know, nitrates. It could be a problem.

[Tim Pool]

You know what's pretty wild is that. Yeah. Back in the day, life. Life used to be more like an rpg. You, you, you like, you'd have like a little hut. You'd wake up in the morning and you'd be like, your neighbors. There's that many people.

[James Klug]

It was animal crossing.

[Tim Pool]

You'd grab a sword. You're like, I'm gonna go try and find some meat. And you're like walking down a dirt path. And then like a boar shows up and you have to like, take a stance and fight it, bro.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what Burning man just runs away. I know. I brought up I brought up Burning man twice today, but it did feel like that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yeah, because Ian famously has high trust and you're carrying a machine.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I carried a flashlight on a rope to blind people if they got in my way at night.

[Tim Pool]

And what would happen is Ian would have random encounters.

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[Ian Crossland]

There's this one place we went to a vampire bar where they would file their teeth and wore vials of blood. And I was like, like, oh.

[Tim Pool]

They.

[Ian Crossland]

They were checking for weapons, but they didn't take my light. My. My light. I was like, if anyone messes with me in this dark red chamber, I can blind them.

[Carter Banks]

And the vampires should all really be affected by that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, everybody's in the dark. So I was like, I see the power of light. Like it really flashbang them. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, that probably works.

[Ian Crossland]

And you can also end up turning around and. But no, no violent. I didn't experience, was it?

[Tate Brown]

No, I was just like, now I know what to do if I. Burning Man.

[Ian Crossland]

It felt like someone did die.

[James Klug]

How many times have you been to Burning Man? Is that a thing?

[Ian Crossland]

Once. I went once. Once go a lot in 2007, I think. Or 8. It was the green man. Did you feel safe the entire time? Yeah, I felt like people wanted me there. Like people were really happy that I was there.

[James Klug]

Do you think that's just because they're super high or.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes, very likely. They saw me in a wizard's row. I wore this brown robe with a hood and had this rope attached. And then they were like, he's a prophet. Which Direction. Should I go? And I would point a direction and they would go. And then I'd continue on.

[Tate Brown]

Point to the employment office.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I would be like, I just.

[Tate Brown]

Whatever Donald is hiring.

[Ian Crossland]

I was like feeling it, the magnet. I was like, like that direction. I don't know why I pointed.

[James Klug]

There's a bit of, it's kind of like video game action going on out there.

[Tim Pool]

Huh.

[James Klug]

People are dressed up as a character was a ranger.

[Ian Crossland]

He had like, the one dude was a bar. He like strapped leather. He's this big muscular dude walking around. The other dude had like a feather in his hat with like, he's like a total ranger with a green. He had like a leather vest on. It was. The girls were like in robes, fan

[Carter Banks]

braces and ranger boots.

[Ian Crossland]

And yeah, one girl, they called her sea monster.

[Tim Pool]

She was. I think the issue is that was we're, we're reaching the apex of human boredom. So, you know, back in the day, like, we, we, we're talking about UBI quite a bit. We're in UBI right now. By, by average human standards. We live in ubi.

[James Klug]

There's ubi. Tons of UBI in California too.

[Tim Pool]

No, I, no, I mean like the idea that we make money sitting here complaining and water go back a thousand years. Yeah, exactly. Clean running water and hot showers. You could be a homeless person. People are begging you to take a shower. Like, not even kidding. They walk up to said, please come take a hot shower with clean running water. Imagine going back a thousand years and telling a king, you know, we, we, we give even the poorest to people. Actually, we try to make them take showers. He's going to be like, I have a shower once a month. It's expensive. Well, like bro kings in castles, they had poop shoots, you know, that is, their toilet was just a hole that went straight outside onto the ground.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then they had. Dudes had to come up and shovel it to move it away. Now you could walk into a Starbucks and they're like, you can do whatever you want.

[Tate Brown]

Imagine explaining to them that the obesity rate gets higher the poorer you are.

[James Klug]

They won't get real.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, it's like crazy.

[Tim Pool]

And rich people and it's like actually only the wealthiest people can like lose the weight and eat properly.

[Tate Brown]

Literally.

[Tim Pool]

That's why it's funny when these people are like, did you know that peasants used to have 154 days of vacation? It's actually not correct.

[James Klug]

What do they, Where'd they get that from?

[Tim Pool]

It's a made up thing that every Day Communists. Here's what happened. An academic pointed out that half the year you can't farm. So they were huddled for warmth, starving to death. And then communists were like, so they didn't have to work.

[James Klug]

Yeah, I didn't watch Netflix all day. Is that what they did?

[Tate Brown]

I do think people in Milwaukee still do that.

[James Klug]

Really?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. They huddle for warmth and starve to death. Oh, geez, the food's nasty.

[Ian Crossland]

That's the kind of work. I mean, you're shivering. That's requiring energy. You know, that's a type of work. And it will distract you from a lot of other types of work.

[Tate Brown]

I think we're simultaneously the most bored era, but also the least bored era. Because part of the reason is like, when was the last time you were actually bored? You just get on your phone. Yeah, I mean, like, I remember when I was a kid being bored to tears because I didn't have like instant devices.

[James Klug]

That's gonna become a massive problem too. It's literally just cancer on you. Look at any group of kids or something and they're all. Every single person's on their phone. And if they're not on the phone, they're doing something to being filmed on their phone.

[Tim Pool]

Check out this post. Phil posted this. So this guy Robert Raymond says, damn, can you imagine being a human during the Paleolithic age? Just eating salmon and berries and storytelling around campfires and stargazing. No jobs, no traffic, no ads, no poverty, no capitalism caused traumas. Just pure vibes. And Phil said, can you imagine your child and mate both dying in childbirth? Can you imagine getting. Getting a cut and dying of infection? Can you imagine breaking your leg and being eaten by a saber toothed cat? Can you imagine being filled with parasites? Can you imagine poverty being universal? The funny thing is when he's like eating salmons. Who got the salmons for you? Whose job is fishermen? A job like these people are literally retarded.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he probably got that from a video game. Because there are times in the game where, you know, you already hit the rocks. You built the house with nine clicks, and now you just get to sit and enjoy the digital fire.

[Tate Brown]

And bears are always pissed off.

[Tim Pool]

I invite this guy.

[James Klug]

Explain that.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. I invite this guy. Please live like it's the Paleolithic age. I will buy land and let you live there like Paleolithic man.

[Ian Crossland]

I promise this.

[Tate Brown]

There's a country, small.

[James Klug]

You can literally do this at any time. I know you can do what he's saying at any time. There's nothing holding you Back right now.

[Ian Crossland]

The thing is you could do this probably for 20 days a year now. Easily your average person, if they could manage it maybe 10 days a year on a vacation up into the mountains back then, they might have experienced that. But they spent 99.9% of their time trying to survive and create the environment to be able. And even then you're looking around because animals can be in the dark. They don't have lights, street lights. There's no streets.

[James Klug]

Like capitalism. Derangement syndrome just has people saying the most retarded things.

[Tim Pool]

But it's easy to get locked into it.

[James Klug]

It's unbelievable.

[Ian Crossland]

Like the tv. It's easy to get locked into the machine. It's so easy. And then I think that's the capitalist trap is. And whether it's not capitalism, I'm not blaming capitalism.

[James Klug]

I'm saying they have derangement syndrome against capitalism, capitalism, because they get into this. And that's the joke that Phil's making here. He's saying, can you imagine being universal?

[Tim Pool]

Here's what going to happen. They're going to put him in a pod where they neural link his brain in and put a visor over his head and he's going to be floating there with like nutritional roach paste pumped into his stomach and he's going to be transported to a virtual reality where he's Paleolithic man.

[James Klug]

He'd probably be more productive than he is right now.

[Tim Pool]

If I were to guess he would generate heat. I guess that's the matrix argument, right? No, no. Batteries.

[James Klug]

Batteries.

[Tim Pool]

It was supposed to be a neural net that actually maintained the matrix. But they thought people were too stupid to understand that and they were correct.

[Ian Crossland]

That's pretty cool. Just computational force will produce enough charge. That might happen too.

[Tim Pool]

It wasn't about charge. It was about the humans were a neural net. And then they said people are too dumb to understand that. Calm. Batteries. They've been like humans don't produce nearly enough. If they were in the pods going like this like the whole time, just like pedaling, then sure, I guess.

[Ian Crossland]

Or if you could.

[James Klug]

I mean. Yeah, you could still be pretty inefficient though, huh?

[Tim Pool]

No, I think, I think there's a. There's a. There's kind a conjecture that a human riding a bicycle is the most efficient form of energy conversion.

[Tate Brown]

It'll the Amish do that. Light bulbs on.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh really?

[Tate Brown]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Well, now they use gravity. Gravity generators is the easiest way to do it. You have a high gear ratio and you have a rock tied to A string. And when you lift, you. You lift it up and you crank it. When you let it go, gravity pulls it down and it spins. A very high gear ratio which turns

[Ian Crossland]

the light on South America. Those are great. I villagers.

[Tim Pool]

The energy from you lifting the rock is converted into a of lot light. That's pretty wild.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's very cool, actually. It's using the earth's force to charge things. I mean, obviously there's mechanical force as well with the rope and the gear, but you're basically the earth is doing most of the heavy lifting.

[Tim Pool]

You know what's really crazy? You can take a bunch of pieces of wood and put them together so that when you put it on a stream, it spins. And then you can take that spin and have it grind wheat into flour.

[Tate Brown]

It's genius. That's like, you know, all these guys ruling out all perpetual motions. Impossible. I still got some. Some ideas.

[Ian Crossland]

Or the sun is technically not perpetual motion, but any human lifespan would tell you that it was.

[James Klug]

What do you got, Tate?

[Tate Brown]

I like, I. I know people have tried it. I just don't think they did it right. Is if you have a car and then like a. Like a fishing rod and then a magnet on the fishing rod and then a magnet on the front of the car.

[Tim Pool]

Dude.

[Tate Brown]

And everyone's like, oh, it creates its own magnetic. I don't care. Let me try it first and then I'll get back to you.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I used to tell people I

[Tate Brown]

just don't have access.

[Tim Pool]

Well, here's the trick. Is that real functional? As far as we're concerned, perpetual motion is entirely possible. And what I mean by that is when you see these videos of like a wheel that keeps spinning, we all know there's a battery in there. And then everyone argues perpetual motion is impossible while ignoring the fact that we don't live in a vacuum and that external energies will act upon whatever mechanism we produce. Thus, people have produced things that look like perpetual motion, but it's actually just solar power. For example, you can have wheels that solar heat, like the sun will heat the system, introducing energy to it it which causes an expansion which can cause it steam pressure or can make it rotate functionally. As far as we're concerned, we did not put energy into it. We built a system that seems to just go, but it's actually just absorbing ambient energy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So that's not a closed system. It's not perpetual motion. But as far as we're concerned, we're getting motion from putting nothing in.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, watches are pretty close. The Ones that just like use the rotation from your wrist to keep spinning themselves.

[Ian Crossland]

I think that's vibrating.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's not. So when you, so I have a watch, when you walk, it spins a weight.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

And the weight, like as you're walking, it just spins the spring.

[James Klug]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

So that's just capturing existing energy. My point is, similarly, you can make a machine that seems to just go with no battery hooked up to it. And you're like, how's it going? And you're like, it's perpetual motion. And people go, wow. And it's actually just sunlight. It's just solar power.

[Ian Crossland]

I think that Newton's second law was that you can't get more energy. That might be the law that says you can't get more energy out of the system than you put into it.

[Tim Pool]

And in fact, you typically can't get equal energy out of the system out from what you put into it due to energy loss.

[Ian Crossland]

And that is a true statement. But there are no, like you said earlier, there are no closed systems in the universe. There's always external circumstances and then there's zero point energy.

[Tim Pool]

So maybe everything's just fake.

[Ian Crossland]

Zero point energy is where. Oh, I was just studying zero point. You can have it at any temperature, but it's easiest to actuate at zero Kelvin.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Absolute zero. Good luck.

[Ian Crossland]

Zero to four Kelvin is where you really start to get quantum tunneling and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

So you put two metal plates in a vacuum and you'll see energy start forming between them.

[Ian Crossland]

Man, I want to go and learn more about appearing, I suppose, but so I was thinking about this on the drive over, like, we still live in the oil economy. It's an excellent control mechanism for geopolitical force, for just interpersonal force. You know, one guy can't blow up, it's hard to get a lot of fuel. And so the next step, like I, I was like a truth serum guy. Everybody learn everything and the next, the

[Tim Pool]

best will rise to the top.

[Ian Crossland]

And now I'm like, like, how long do we compress technology in society to force them to use oil as the main fuel source?

[Tate Brown]

Like compress people?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, like just intent, information and behavior and media manipulation. How long do we pull this off?

[James Klug]

It's also, I mean, I don't know, it's very easy for a lot of the, like rest of the world that's underdeveloped to be using that as well.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, they use a lot of coal.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. So we have control. Not we, but that the powers that control the oil control the world, essentially.

[James Klug]

Yeah. With A major shift going towards LNG right now. So it's like that's going to be the majority.

[Ian Crossland]

And if we start moving towards gravity powered things or fusion powered things like it, we lose that power that, that manipulative force that the American military machine has provided for 70 years. And I'm like torn up about it.

[James Klug]

You know, you don't want to lose the power you do want to lose.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't want, I don't want a non amer. I don't want a world that doesn't value property rights, free speech, gun rights. I want, want. And if I am concerned that without cultural dominance we kind of have it, we kind of have the world looking at us.

[James Klug]

Well, you need to control the world's choke points. That's, that's a benefit. There's a, there's a lot of areas that they can, that they can, you know, control trade. When it comes to like China's Belt and Road initiative, which is dead, one of my budget is dead because of Trump. Right, you're saying.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, so I, I, I, I'm changing the subject I guess because I was just thinking about something like, you know, Gen Z is just Internet people, people, but the things are consuming online are just Indians. So I was just imagining a future where it's like, it's true. So we know about how they spam X with fake accounts. We've got Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Indians trying to make money off all these systems. There's that story right now that's going around where an Indian guy made a fake AI woman who was MAGA and then started selling only fans to get guys to pay. So you've got all these Indian dudes that are just ripping off Gen Z because Gen Z is too stupid, it doesn't care. And I was just imagining the future where it's like a bunch of white Gen Z dudes walking around talking like this because like they're consuming nothing but media from Indians.

[James Klug]

Canada's got that coming. I don't know about the U.S. well,

[Tim Pool]

that, no, no, but that's because they're bringing migrants. And I'm saying Gen Z is all online so at a certain point just consuming nothing but this fake Indian content. Like at what point do the Indians just drop the pretense and start talking with their actual accents?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, they don't do it.

[Tim Pool]

Did you see that video where the Indian guy had the fake, fake AI filter and he was talking to the guy and he's like trying not to move his head and the guy's like hold three fingers up in front of your face. And he's like, no.

[Tate Brown]

Well, Tim, to your point, I mean, we already kind of are seeing this with like third culture kids, as in kids that are raised in non western countries but go to international schools. They used to universally have British accents, the English accent specifically, and now most of them have American accents. You've already seen the shift. And the reason for that is because those kids are consuming. The only interaction they're getting with the English language is their parents, which is, you know, varies. And then through media, social media, etc.

[Ian Crossland]

That's the social media manipulation culture war that I think we're winning as Americans. So we'll get to a point where we can let go of the, maybe not ever the military dominance and just have a cultural dominance. Maybe not. Maybe controlling the oil is basically military dominance. When I say military dominance, I mean military dominance.

[James Klug]

As long as humans exist and are involved in literally anything, you can't project

[Tate Brown]

power through soft power. I mean, you can use utilize soft power to move things in your direction, but there's no way to actually like project Force. You can't show force through soft power. Like, if we cut off all of our Hollywood movies to China, that wouldn't have any like real force implications. That would just have. It would limit our ability to make America slightly more favorable in the views of the Chinese.

[Ian Crossland]

But blowing up a bridge.

[Tate Brown]

Blowing up a bridge, that's force. That's force projection.

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[Tate Brown]

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[James Klug]

it's like telling somebody not to do something versus hitting them in the face.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe you'll get to the point where somebody as some country or some corporation just goes full mask off. Fusion power, anti gravity. And everyone's like, oh, well, you better

[James Klug]

hope we get that.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what I'm wondering. Like, why don't we do it first and just say, because then if everyone has fusion, then we.

[Tate Brown]

That's the whole idea with AI.

[James Klug]

Yeah. You could draw comparison to AI right there.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. That's why the, the common argument from like the AI proponents is, look, we are agree that there are some worries about where AI is going to, but the problem is China's putting their foot on the gas anyway. So if not us, who. So you might as well have the most benevolent. In our eyes, the most benevolent power.

[James Klug]

We have the best talent, we have the best technology.

[Tate Brown]

Exactly.

[James Klug]

Utilize it. Even if that's kind of the best

[Tate Brown]

step that they're taking right there. China has no limiting principle. They don't care. They're just gonna put their foot on the gas. So we might as well compete.

[Ian Crossland]

And if we transition to fusion or some other power source, we'll still use gas, oil, hydro, methane, we'll still use that for the entire transitory phase, which could be 60 years or 70 years.

[James Klug]

That's going for the next. What do you think, 100 years?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, but the problem, the problem is like, we already have a more advanced fuel source, which would be nuclear. But, you know, there's cultural reasons why people don't want.

[Tim Pool]

It's technically pretty.

[Ian Crossland]

Fuel. Fuel, they say is hydrogen, carbon.

[Tate Brown]

And as far as far as what could power, you know, use an electric grid? Power an electric grid.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah. But fuel is portable. That's why they call it fuel. It's different than power stations. So yeah, that could carry around. Yeah, technically plutonium.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think that's correct. That's the definition. I was told they often refer to radioactive materials as fuel. Fuel.

[Tate Brown]

But also in addition to that, they're going to use electric vehicles.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, you might be right. But radioactive materials shipped in, they ship it into a plant.

[Ian Crossland]

Plutonium was a fuel, but uranium isn't.

[Tate Brown]

But we would be utilizing it as a fuel by powering our electric grid, which will power electric vehicles. Presumably, if that's the way things move,

[Ian Crossland]

you could put fuel in a base station, but it's still fuel that you would be able to take and carry around.

[Tate Brown]

Whereas, like fuel to Hawaii. Unless they build a nuclear reactor to then power, like electric vehicles. I guess that would be the question.

[Tim Pool]

Fuel is just defined as any material that can be consumed or used to generate power.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Okay, so if we.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know why, but Jim Tour is the scientist that told me it's hydrogen, carbon and plutonium.

[Tate Brown]

Right now we are seeing the market react and they're moving back away from EVs. A lot of these car manufacturers are like, oof. Whereas these aren't selling like hotcakes.

[Tim Pool]

I guess to be fair, solar is not fuel. You call it a fuel, Right?

[Ian Crossland]

It's a charge, it produces energy. Like. Yeah. Alternative water power isn't fuel. The water's not the fuel. Technically it's not a fuel. You could use it as a fuel, but like, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Have you guys ever heard of crater Earth theory?

[Carter Banks]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Someone sent me. Apparently I could be getting it wrong. But like the moon is a projection of the earth that we're on.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I've heard that.

[Tim Pool]

And that where our whole world is actually just in a tiny crater on the moon and the moon is just a reflection. People believe wild things.

[James Klug]

That's a good one. That's creative.

[Tim Pool]

I like, I like Greater Earth. That's my favorite.

[Carter Banks]

Like hollow.

[Tim Pool]

Because you can imagine that like no greater Earth is cool because it means there's more continents and places you've never been to and there's things to explore.

[James Klug]

I like the greater. That's the one expansion.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The reason why people like greater Earth is because it means the Earth is not totally discovered yet and there's still things to find and do. Whereas right now it's like everything's been done, you know.

[James Klug]

Very exciting. Actually. There's, there's rainforests as well as, you know, deep in the ocean.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[James Klug]

That we still need to explore. So that's very exciting.

[Ian Crossland]

When they'd use those lidar to detect under the Amazon and they see all these things.

[Tate Brown]

But it's so every time, you know, everyone always says that they're like, oh, we've only explored like 7% of the. The water. But then when you get the video from what's going on down there, it's just like weird looking fish.

[James Klug]

Oh, you're not getting the right footage.

[Tate Brown]

There's no thrill, you know, not getting the right footage. With the light on the end of my head. I'm a looking fish and I got a light bulb. It's like, okay, who cares? Wake me up when there's like, you know, some fortresses.

[James Klug]

Who's your deep se? Need to get a new one.

[Tim Pool]

Like a guy down there. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

If there's a guy down there, you know, or something. But it's just like every time I see the videos it's like, oh, people get crushed because of the pressure. And then there's like goofy looking fish.

[James Klug]

What's the rainforest that only like 30%. Is it the Amazon that only like. Have you seen how it's discovered?

[Carter Banks]

I think so.

[Tate Brown]

Large.

[Tim Pool]

Well, what difficult to travel. You're not talking about the Alaskan rainforest.

[Tate Brown]

Good, Good thing we're deforming. It's just that way we'll know what's under there. We look in Google.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, look at this.

[Ian Crossland]

The Amazon's got like special.

[Tim Pool]

There's the Congo. Look at the Congo, bro. There's like, there's cities here. Look at this. People live in the wilderness. You got to go to, you got to go to the Amazon.

[Ian Crossland]

The Amazon.

[Tim Pool]

The dark soil they created the Amazons,

[Ian Crossland]

dude, the Amazon's nuts.

[Tim Pool]

Everybody should what's right here? You get a chance go like what's right here?

[Carter Banks]

I'm not going.

[Tim Pool]

Look at these trees.

[Ian Crossland]

Go sail down a river.

[Tim Pool]

Can't even see like ride it right

[Carter Banks]

across like barracudas in there, bro.

[Tim Pool]

There's like some, there's a monkey in there. He's chilling. He doesn't even know that people exist.

[James Klug]

Being a warlord in the, in the rainforest, it's wild.

[Ian Crossland]

Hung out with this woman that had a turkey. I, I went to Peru, to Northeast Peru in Aquitos and stayed there for like three weeks. My friend was cleaning plastic out of the Amazon and then I.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, hey, look at this. Look, look. I, I just proved Antarctica is not real because this, these colors don't make any sense. That proves it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that looks.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, that's just a picture and that proves it's fake.

[Carter Banks]

Perfect of a curve there.

[James Klug]

That's a good point on that one.

[Tate Brown]

The 90 Day Fiance guys are like the last true explorers where they're just going to the most remote locations just to have sex. It's like there's something going on there. Where like every time I watch that show, there's guys going deep into the Amazon just because they can't pull anywhere else.

[Tim Pool]

You want to hear a crazy story that's crazy?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. They're like the modern day explorers in Peru or the McDougal of our time.

[Tim Pool]

This is a story that we were tracking. Advice. We were trying to get in. In the mountains. The air is too thin for women. And so guys go to the mountains to mine and so they're there for like a month or two months. So other guys dress up like women to have sex with the guys while their wives are back in the village. And Vice was trying to get access to these village to do one of these docs on it, and they were like, that would be like, the best doc ever. It's like the. The male trend. Trans prostitutes of Peru or whatever. But they weren't able to pull it off.

[James Klug]

Oh, that's why they weren't. They weren't able to film their pornography. Film.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't think they wanted to make it about sex, but they wanted to, like, show that they were male hookers.

[Ian Crossland]

They should make a story about the. The one woman that could handle it.

[Carter Banks]

Why could they not breathe up there?

[Tim Pool]

The thing is, though, like, when you hear that story in my mind, I'm imagining, like, two just ripped, hairy guys and one guy puts on lipstick and goes, I'm the woman now. But in reality, it's probably just Ladybug boys.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, lady boys.

[Tim Pool]

You like what you see?

[James Klug]

I've been trying cigarette voice.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, in English. Like, he doesn't speak Spanish. Hey there, miner boy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I like doing this.

[Tim Pool]

Looking at the.

[Ian Crossland]

Look at those striations at the bottom of the ocean. The earth is twisting open and getting.

[Carter Banks]

Why.

[Tim Pool]

Why is there an airport right here?

[Tate Brown]

Deeply unserious island named Puka. Puka. What are we doing?

[Tim Pool]

Like, why. Why is the airport.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I'm from.

[Tim Pool]

Watch this. Let me zoom out.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, there's p. That.

[Tim Pool]

What is that? What are they doing over there?

[Tate Brown]

Huh?

[Ian Crossland]

Ports, dude. There's, like, living on every aisle.

[James Klug]

Look at that.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm from f. At Tols Atolls. Those are all.

[James Klug]

I mean, that looks so cool.

[Tim Pool]

So is that like.

[Carter Banks]

Like an island with a lake in the middle of it?

[James Klug]

People vacation.

[Ian Crossland]

Still salt water.

[Tim Pool]

I'm pretty sure it's called an atoll.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, there's a. There's a lake in Canada with an island with the lake. An island inside of it. It's like triple. Triple island.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know why. It's really blue, that. Really turquoise.

[Tate Brown]

I don't know why the Americans.

[Tim Pool]

Shadow.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Shallow.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's sand and shallow water.

[James Klug]

Sand and shallow water.

[Tate Brown]

All those airfields were built by us, too, dude. The atoll. The atolls.

[James Klug]

Can you just go there, though? Like, you can just fly there casually.

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Probably.

[Tim Pool]

Probably. But you know that like. Like, Tahiti is like that. Tahiti is like. Isn't. Isn't Tahiti like, their most remote island or whatever?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. Hongaroa.

[Tate Brown]

Let's go There Chileans on this.

[Tim Pool]

Look at that. The Chileans on this one, they got an airport.

[James Klug]

That's a good setup, you know?

[Tim Pool]

You know, here, here's the truth. I'm going to ruin it for you guys, though. You would land there, you'd walk to the store and you'd be like, oh,

[Ian Crossland]

yeah, like, do you have any ride?

[James Klug]

Honestly, that sounds like a dream vacation to me.

[Tim Pool]

Just like you could. You could literally do that anywhere.

[James Klug]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

My boy, he got deployed to Guam and he was thinking it was going to be like Easter Island. Hasn't he got there and it was like a Burger King. And he's like, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, one of the things in Peru that was.

[James Klug]

They had chicken and rice every once in a while. Not that bad.

[Tate Brown]

Smash a whopper on the remote island, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

I think a lot of like the whole, like, get away from society is. Is. Is like romanticized. Cuz in Peru it was like chicken and white rice, not healthy food. And then I just. I was ho. I was begging for like a whole food. There's nothing. Like, I couldn't get kale. I couldn't get any healthy stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this, dude.

[James Klug]

When you.

[Tate Brown]

When you really change your diet, let's pick Karen.

[James Klug]

Really change your diet.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't that where they all, like, are incesting each other?

[Tate Brown]

The HMS Bounty. The HMS Bounty. A bunch of maroon sailors landed on Pitcairn. So all the descendants of like 12 men live on that island.

[Tim Pool]

And it's all incest.

[Tate Brown]

There's a lot of inbreed because they have no choice because there's only like 12 men on the whole island. So they all have. And it's still owned by the English, but it's rapidly depopulating. So the British government set up a scheme to pay people to relocate there.

[Tim Pool]

That's not. That's not that Pitcairn. It's the Adamstown. Right, Right here.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it's the Pitcairn Islands. That's Pitcairn Island.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh yeah. That's mountainous.

[Tim Pool]

That'd be a St. Paul's pool.

[Ian Crossland]

You'd have to live on the coast.

[Tate Brown]

There's like, there's a guy on YouTube though, that grew up there and he has a video, a channel, and it's quite fun.

[James Klug]

Fascinating.

[Ian Crossland]

That does look.

[Tim Pool]

They marooned there and just like, lived.

[James Klug]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

But they had this problem where like, like there's like three straight mayors got cut out, caught up in like molestation scandals. So they have a really difficult time. I don't know if they're much better Than us, to be fair. But they. They have a.

[Tim Pool]

And it's funded by the British.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, the British.

[Tim Pool]

Like at some point the British showed up and they were like, we're saved. And they're like, no, we're going to give you money and we're gonna keep you here.

[Carter Banks]

You guys stay here.

[Tate Brown]

Well, yeah, well, yeah, it was settled by these, these. These mutineers, the HMS Bounty. And then what's fascinating now is they're running out of people because, like, as soon as people can, they leave the island because there's nothing going on there. So the population is really old. So the British have set up a scheme where you can move there and they'll pay you to move there. The problem is, like, no one can settle.

[Carter Banks]

Why do they want to keep it going?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, because they move to the bigger island with more stuff going on. Like right here. Look at. Look at all this. A lot of trees, Erie. Yeah, that's just because they shipwrecked.

[Tate Brown]

They'd have a choice.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying right now.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, well, they sh. They are. They are leaving.

[Tim Pool]

Is there a movie about the HMS Bounty?

[Tate Brown]

Probably.

[Ian Crossland]

I look that up.

[Tim Pool]

Adamstown.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. It's fascinating. I love. I love the. The random European colonies. They're so fascinating. Fascinating.

[Tim Pool]

Is there no airport?

[Tate Brown]

No, you get there by boat and it takes forever.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, that's why people are leaving Nancy's.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it's a terrible place to live. Like, you think it'd be nice, but it's.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this.

[Tate Brown]

All like elderly people. And they have a weird accent too. It's like this weird.

[James Klug]

Oh, that's. That's not good.

[Ian Crossland]

What's that black spot?

[Tate Brown]

Cloud.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, where's that dark cavern in the middle of the island?

[Tim Pool]

That's the.

[James Klug]

Where the wizard lives, dude.

[Tim Pool]

It's pretty wild when you look at like Tahiti and these islands, dude, where there's just people. Are there like Rapa? Let's just go down and see what's going on in Rapa. Nothing. Nobody. Cool name.

[Ian Crossland]

I like that.

[Tim Pool]

Let's take it right here. Right here. Set up Ian's town. Oh, wait, there are people here. What?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they're right on the inlet. Look at that.

[Tim Pool]

No. You know, when I look at this map, I do realize that maybe the Malthusians were right. There's people everywhere. Do. There's too many of them.

[Ian Crossland]

They gotta be underground. I'd be.

[Tim Pool]

Now I understand. Now I understand. Barack Obama, when he's like, there's too many people, I blow them up.

[Tate Brown]

You have whole massive islands.

[James Klug]

You really Focused on that.

[Tate Brown]

And you have whole massive islands where no one lived there until the Europeans arrived, like the Falkland Islands. The British are technically indigenous to an island that is thousands of miles away because they were the first people to settle it. I know the Argentines in the crowd will be upset to hear that. True.

[Tim Pool]

What is this?

[Ian Crossland]

You can't even see that. They slaughter. No one was here.

[Tate Brown]

There was literally no one there. Like, it was just a big, giant, empty island.

[Ian Crossland]

Look at all those.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this place. They have an airport here. Dude, that's crazy.

[James Klug]

Awesome.

[Tim Pool]

Is that crazy that somebody's like, I want to put an airport here?

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's probably the. Usually the Americans built all those airfields during World War II.

[Ian Crossland]

During and after the war.

[Tim Pool]

But why are there people here? Look at this thing. Look at this tiny little revolution. Just. That's it.

[Ian Crossland]

A place for it.

[Tim Pool]

I live there underwater. Look at this. They got an airport. They do, man. Americans be putting airports everywhere.

[Tate Brown]

So nice. Big on it. We're big on it.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, they probably have to island hop just to get to land.

[Tim Pool]

You think they have culture war problems here? Doubtful. There's like a hundred people, but half of them are woke and half are Christian.

[Tate Brown]

Actually, they're transiting the coconuts. It's a big problem.

[Tim Pool]

There's like, one trans kid, and they're like, this is too far.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. For real.

[Ian Crossland]

There's Internet. There's culture war, for sure. There's the whole world.

[Tim Pool]

These people live on this island, and they're all watching media from, like, New York, Louisiana, and, like, Alabama. And they live next to each other, but they watch completely different online media. One guy's watching Alex Jones, one watching Rachel Maddow, and they go out and fight

[James Klug]

a successful YouTuber. Honestly, pick any of these islands and just go live on it and document your entire thing, run it, start, you know, whatever. Build stuff on it. You're gonna have millions.

[Tim Pool]

This one right here. There's nothing there right now.

[James Klug]

People love seeing this stuff. Like, I have no clue what this stuff is. I've never. I've never seen these in my life.

[Tim Pool]

How about Rim Matra?

[James Klug]

Super cool.

[Tim Pool]

Look at it. They got a church.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, there's a whole island in Hawaii that's owned by one family, and they, like, run the entire thing. Yeah. And, like, they ban people from visiting. But there's, like. The problem is there's islanders there that live there. So, like, they're just, like, in a. They're frozen, like the 80s.

[James Klug]

Oh, wow.

[Tim Pool]

Here you go. This is the perfect place to Go. The Midway Atoll. Literally nothing bad has ever happened there.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, Midway.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. There's no. No, nothing bad.

[Tate Brown]

Notable.

[Ian Crossland]

That's the most important island in Axis and Allies. If you've ever played the board game, you want that island. If you're the Americans or the Japanese, Midway is where it all.

[Tim Pool]

All.

[Ian Crossland]

That's where your bombers can refuel if you want to do bombing raids on the right.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, hey, look at this.

[Carter Banks]

What that is.

[Tim Pool]

Why did Google block this out?

[Carter Banks]

It's blurred.

[Tim Pool]

We found it. Guys, look at these. They're all blurred.

[Tate Brown]

Is that where Israel is?

[Ian Crossland]

There's something there.

[Tim Pool]

Necker Island. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[James Klug]

Take it easy.

[Tate Brown]

What kind of show is this? Goodness gracious.

[Ian Crossland]

Trying to protect us from ourselves.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go.

[James Klug]

That is all actually blurred out, isn't it?

[Tim Pool]

Is. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Go back to. Go back to Hawaii. Like, zoom out and just look at Hawaii.

[Tim Pool]

Look at. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Look at this. This is big. Hold on.

[Tate Brown]

Walk it out.

[Tim Pool]

Why?

[Ian Crossland]

I bet it's military sensitive. Military stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Dude, look at all this is blocked out. Out.

[Tate Brown]

Go. Kind of zoom into the top islands.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's this one right here.

[Tate Brown]

The one that's Nawai or however, you know.

[James Klug]

You nailed that.

[Tate Brown]

It's privately owned.

[Tim Pool]

Where?

[Ian Crossland]

What are you talking about?

[Tim Pool]

I don't even see it.

[Tate Brown]

I can't remember which one's Nihau. Hang on, let me.

[Tim Pool]

How like, hello.

[Tate Brown]

And no, it's N I I H A U. It's the westernmost of the main Hawaiian islands. So, like that last kind of tiny one. The entire island's privately owned by this family. So, like that, like, to the left, that one.

[Tim Pool]

Hawaii.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. That entire island is one family.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, like.

[James Klug]

Yeah, I see what you're talking about.

[Tim Pool]

There's like, what?

[Tate Brown]

It's just one family. Owns the.

[Tim Pool]

We could take it over pretty easily.

[James Klug]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

I don't. I think there's been negotiations, but this family just has it locked down. And the natives love them, apparently.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow. Are they like a K? They don't have any kind of regal authority or anything. They just give.

[Tate Brown]

Functionally, they do. If you live there, like, that's your gang.

[Tim Pool]

These are weird.

[Carter Banks]

Like, these all out over the blurred spots that say, like, 20. 20 something. If you look close enough.

[Ian Crossland]

Really? First time I've ever seen a. Yeah.

[James Klug]

What does it say?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Carter Banks]

Something.

[Tim Pool]

This one looks blurred out. When you zoom in, there's like a Polish island. Lisianke Island.

[Tate Brown]

Lisianski.

[Tim Pool]

The thing is, too. You can see how shallow it is. You could probably walk way out, like super far. Like, you can walk way out. So in Florida, for instance, you can go, like, 10 miles out and you can stand. That's how. When. When I went out there on a boat, you have to have sonar or whatever to track. Oh, yeah, because you have to go in between the rocks in your boat.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You just jump out, just stand there. That's how. That's where they have Stiltsville.

[Tate Brown]

That's Iran's problem right now.

[Ian Crossland]

I always wanted to go to that. What's that. That really nice city where it's like a little village where it has houses over the water. You know those Like Bora Bora. Bora Bora. That's it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, bro. You guys want to know what's up? You want to go to Unalaska?

[James Klug]

It's probably really expensive.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this ATTU station.

[Tate Brown]

Did you know the Aleutian Islands is like, like 30 Filipino? Because the Filipinos just run the fishing industry there. So it's like, if you go to Unalas, it's just gonna be all Filipinos on Alaska, dude.

[Tim Pool]

That's the secret.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it's all Philippines.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't that where they do, like, ice road crabbing or whatever that show is? Oh, no. Crabbing.

[Tate Brown]

Crabbing. Haven't seen.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the show about crabbing.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, but if you were to visit in Alaska, you would just be. It'd be like you're in California. Just Filipinos everywhere, but they're all bundled up.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it in Alaska?

[Tate Brown]

It's kind of like Minions.

[Tim Pool]

You know what's really crazy is that Filipinos are basically welcome everywhere.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Everyone loves them.

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[Ian Crossland]

Oh, dude. The Philip.

[Tim Pool]

When I went to. I was, I was working with this Filipino guy and we went to Brazil, I think think. And we went to a couple other countries and like I'm waiting in line. I have to get, you know, in. When you go to Egypt, you got to like get a stamp for a, you know, passport. You have to walk up and ask for a visa and pay for it. And I'm going to Brazil. I had to get a 10 year visa pre approved and all that. He just walks in and then he was like, all the Filipinos men, like, because they're just fishermen everywhere. You can go to any country you want. He's like, iran, I can go to Iran right now. And I'm like, really? He's like, yeah. They're not Filipino passports. Like a golden passport don't piss anybody off. Except not the United States. It's hard to get in the US With a Filipino passport. Harder. But literally everywhere else they're just day laborers. So they're like, welcome aboard.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Apparently it's 34 Filipino. It's crazy.

[James Klug]

34.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Clarify.

[Tim Pool]

This is, you know, it's cool how much you guys in on a secret islands, you know, you know, secret is if you, if you're friends with Filipinos, you eat a lot of spam.

[Ian Crossland]

Also get a lot of spam.

[James Klug]

They sell your phone number out.

[Tate Brown]

Your wife was that if you go up a little bit, that Holy ascension of our Lord. Russian. That's the first Orthodox church in the entire United States, but it was built by the Russians and it's foul. They use like whale bones and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

It's whale bones, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you guys seen those Catholic churches or those old Christian churches where it's all made of bone of their conquered enemies? You could pull up images instantly of these crazy churches.

[Tate Brown]

That's how Trump should build the arch. The arch should be with like the bones of like our vanquished enemies.

[Ian Crossland]

There's many of them throughout.

[Tim Pool]

We gotta, we gotta get the questions from the discord. So if you guys want to throw your questions in there right now while we're exploring Google Earth and wasting time, we'll get your questions going. So get them in, get them in, zoom out.

[Ian Crossland]

Look at the. Really? The light blue stuff I believe was all above water before the flood.

[Tim Pool]

Beaver Inlet.

[Ian Crossland]

You.

[Tim Pool]

There's a lot of beavers there.

[Tate Brown]

Doubtful.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, doubtful.

[Tate Brown]

More.

[Carter Banks]

I don't know, pretty vast.

[Tim Pool]

Think They've been called Erskine Bay.

[Tate Brown]

So nice to get a bay named after you, by the way.

[Ian Crossland]

I know it's a little off topic, but I just saw a Rick and Morty clip where Morty's dad is a wooden guy and he sails down the river and gets eaten by beaver. Still good writing. Very. That show is still really well written, minus Morty's voice, unfortunately, but it's still. It's still whoever's writing that stuff, man.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we got one from Kilo Charlie 5. Says, Tim, in regards to the point you made of bullets being almost instantaneous death. As a firefighter and former paramedic, I've seen several cases of that not being the case, perhaps exception, not the rule. But one guy, after killing his wife, put the gun in his mouth and blew the back of his skull off and still lived for 17 minutes. And also my best friend, an accidental discharge of the.45 through his heart. Heart and still lived for 45 minutes before he passed. I was there and witnessed it with my own eyes. Indeed, the exception, not the rule in firing squads. They aim for your chest and you get blasted by like 15 308s at the same time. You're. That's. I'm sorry, that's. That's instant death.

[Ian Crossland]

It is.

[Tim Pool]

Five guys with 308s all shooting at the exact same time right into your chest. You just die.

[James Klug]

Yeah, we know bad, Bad shots can result in you living for, you know, longer, unfortunately. And. And that's obviously terrible, but this is. I mean, you're getting obliterated being shot

[Carter Banks]

by that many r. No accidental discharge there for sure.

[Tim Pool]

What if instead of firing squad, we had two 1 ton metal blocks that just went. Same moment, you're just standing there. Next thing you know, you don't ex. Like, you don't even know anything. You just. Just. It's over.

[Ian Crossland]

It's probably faster.

[Tim Pool]

You don't hear anything.

[Carter Banks]

I can't really have an open casket funeral for you then, because you'll be squashed.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think you're gonna have an open casket after a death.

[Carter Banks]

Well, I think that's why they don't shoot him in the head, but I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

I have the most gruesome comedy here. I don't want to make. It's like you could get a snapshot of their face right before it hits. And then that could be like on the.

[Tim Pool]

I. What if they just fill your cell with carbon dioxide in the middle of the night?

[Ian Crossland]

Poison gas. They used to, but I think it takes A while. Oh, no, no. Carbon monoxide during sleep is one. I mean, honestly, it's humane. There's no pain.

[Tim Pool]

Why don't. You know what we should do? We should put people in rockets and fire them at the sun.

[James Klug]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like a moon travel experiment. Maybe a Mars one.

[Tim Pool]

Launch you straight at the sun.

[Ian Crossland]

See, you know, once you get close enough, you just kind of.

[Tate Brown]

All right, well, because that's what they do.

[James Klug]

They're like, you're on Earth. You're going to Mars, pal.

[Tate Brown]

Because that's what they used to do. They like, launch.

[Tim Pool]

That's Australia, bro.

[Tate Brown]

They launch a dog into space and be like, oh, it dies. Interesting. Write that down.

[James Klug]

Hey, Stephen, write that down.

[Tate Brown]

That chimp that we launched into space. Yeah, he died. Oh, okay.

[Tim Pool]

Really?

[Tate Brown]

We know.

[Tim Pool]

So is the argument from flat Earthers that the Russians faked going to space too? I guess, like the Russians, the Americans teamed up to pretend to go to space to trick us into thinking space is wrong.

[Tate Brown]

Big bit.

[Ian Crossland]

Is the flat Earth movement gone? Is it finally finished?

[Tim Pool]

That's why Candace was like, I'm not a round Earther or a flat Earther.

[James Klug]

It's probably bigger than ever.

[Tate Brown]

Square Earther, dude.

[Tim Pool]

I got half a million views on my fake Greater Earth little gag thing on Instagram. And there are people being like, stop making fun of flat Earthers, Tim.

[James Klug]

People have so much information right now that they're just getting, and not even to address, like, this specific point right here. But just in general, they have so much information, they can go down a rabbit hole in literally anything. So it's like. And then they don't really have anybody that's like an authority figure that is maybe well read on it or has a strong opinion about it to really push back. So they can just go develop any opinion that they want, really make a

[Ian Crossland]

YouTube or a post, and then that gets 100 likes, and they're like, wow, there's a people that like this idea must be right.

[James Klug]

That's what I deal with on the street with, like, blue and on and stuff. I mean, it's like way worse than anything QAnon was ever doing. They're out of their fricking minds. You go to a protest, they have every conspiracy theory under the sun about, like, Trump, Republicans, whatever it may be.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. Let's go. We got Lacey says, tim, what do we do about the corporate HR state? Blue collar men are no longer allowed to have opinions. I honestly have no idea. It's. It's. It's the insurance companies. It's It's. It's a. So, you know, Alison, I, like, talk about this. Every day we learn a new thing as to why corporations are the way they are. Everybody hates the way corporations are. They hate the HR video they make you watch. And you sit there and you watch this thing on sexual harassment, and when the guy goes, that's a nice dress, Mary. And she goes, wait, that's harassment. I'm sorry. And then everyone's like, we're not retards. Why are you making us watch this? Because they're legally obligated to do it because some retard will sue. And so the insurance companies make them do it. That's just it. Like when we were. We were at Turning Point, the last time we ever went, Charlie said, I don't ban guns here. This. The center does.

[James Klug]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Like, we don't ban weapons. And the reason the center does is because your insurance companies make them do it. Same thing for us with events. I was like, we have no choice. If we want to do an event, our insurance company requires we get security. Security can't secure an event if people are allowed to bring guns in. It's for obvious reasons. They're like, you want us to make sure nobody gets killed, but you're going to let 50 people have guns? 10 of them could stand up with guns. We can't secure that. So we have to say, no guns. We say, well, we don't want to do that. The insurance company says, if you don't, then we won't insure you. If we don't insure you, you can't rent the venue and you can't have an event. Thank you, but. So we've built this system. It just. That's it. We're standing on a gigantic framework of psychotic nonsense that results in awful things.

[James Klug]

Some of it has to do with that, obviously, and probably most of it. And then there's also a massive area where you're having to watch these stupid HR videos that are forced to be there from left wing groups that want to indoctrinate people in the corporate world as well.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no, it's just insurance.

[James Klug]

What? What is it? Just an insurance conversation. You don't think it's. You think it's all insurance?

[Tim Pool]

100% insurance. So I worked for. When I worked at Fusion, they made me do a hostile environment training.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The funny thing is, young journalists desperately want to do hostile environment training for fun. They want to say they've done it, have. Have the. Have the accolade on their resumes or Whatever, but hustle. Many hostile environment training here guys, you want, you want, you want a business to make money? Money? Start a hostile environment training company and you will just have contracts for days. You'll make 60 grand a weekend because a lot of these young people want to do it. Legitimate companies won't take them. They say unless you can prove you need it for some reason, we won't allow you to enroll. It's a waste of our time. The reason why ABC University made me do it, I had at this point what, three, four years of experience in hostile environments. And they were like, we still think you should do it anyway. And I'm like, sure, whatever. It'll be fun. It's because of the insurance companies. If, imagine what would happen if Disney sent a 27 year old into a riot in Turkey and they got shot in the head. They have to pay out $20 million, right? They give them hostile environment training and the insurance company says this individual was trained and properly equipped. So that's why they make you do it. And then you only get access to it usually when a big company sends you to do it, otherwise they don't, they don't let you in. If you guys started a hostile environment training company, you'd have contracts for days. Just put up a flyer outside of like Vice HQ or whatever and you'll have 50 requests and all the rich kids will be like, I really want to do it. Just get like five vets with basic combat training to give them a weekend of combat training courses and some larping and they're going to pay you out the ass. But yeah, it's all, everything we do here that we don't want to do, it's because we're required to by, by law. So like it's funny, people will chat like, did you know that Tibcast has NDAs? We're required to. We don't want to do it. We have to do it. It's law. So the way it works is, here's another good example. The re. Have you ever seen the movie Airheads?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So you know in the beginning when he tries to give his CD to the guy, he goes, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The reason why they can't take solicitations is that it voids all of their copyright contracts.

[James Klug]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The moment any company accepts a solicitation, they can be sued every single time. So what happens is when we first started the company we were like, hey, if you guys want to see some id, like send us your ideas. And then our Lawyer was like, stop, delete it. Take it down. Because what happens is, let's say Ian writes a song and he uses a. Let's see, A minor FCG. The structure of a song. And then you get 100,000 submissions. Ian publishes his song. And then one of those a hundred thousand goes, that's my song. He sues you. He then says, I can prove they had my song. I submitted it to them. They received the email. We can then say we never listened to it. It's a coincidence. Using standard four chords and it's not even the same song. Nope, doesn't matter. You're going to court. He can prove you had access to it. So that's why, for legal reasons, you can't submit your music, creative work or ideas to any company. Wouldn't it be great if people could? And then a record exec saw an email and said, I'll just take a look at submissions real quick. Hey, this is pretty good. I'm gonna sign this undiscovered talent. And then they're like, wow, I got lucky. Nope, doesn't exist. You can't do it. You go to Hollywood. You have to be. You have to have an agent who comes in and says, I can approve this one submission. All legal bullshit and 100%. It's all insurance companies. Companies. And what likely is, is that their errors and omissions, their insurance company for all of their copyright stuff, errors and missions, or otherwise says, if you accept submissions, we will not insure you. And then if you don't have insurance, you're not going to be able to get on any platform or on the radio.

[James Klug]

So, yeah, I was just going to say really quick. I guess what I was saying, the training, maybe I didn't mean training so much as making these corporations adopt kind of an ideological. Ideological framework or ideological like.

[Tim Pool]

Like let's say, let's say it's not. It's. It's. So the Civil Rights act created wokeness when the moment they said you cannot discriminate on the basis of these things, you immediately open the door for legal precedent to sue for those things. So now you will continually get more and more of it. The company then says, we don't want to get sued, so we have to tell people that white people are bad. That's the legal precedent set today. It's not that the guy at the Fortune 500 company is woke and wants to do it. It's that we made a law that forces it. Right?

[James Klug]

Right. There's leverage over them for sure. And I would imagine probably as well, loan loans as well. There's certain types of other types of business loans. What's the group that helps corporate?

[Tim Pool]

Is sba a small business?

[Ian Crossland]

No, it gets like minorities get business loans or something.

[James Klug]

Basically it's like you need to check all these boxes in order for a massive corporation to be able to. What's it called? No, I'm spacing on this. I don't know, I'll look it up in a sec.

[Tim Pool]

But the argument is that from the civil rights law, you then get a corporate board of five white guys, right? Then someone sues and says that proves they're racist because shouldn't there be one black person, one woman? So then they go, okay, we don't want to get sued. Put a woman on. Then what happens is I end up working in an office where they bring a woman on the team because they're scared of getting sued for being sexist and the woman's a fucking retailer. And then I'm like, why, why, why is this person here? And then she goes, how come no one will listen to me? It's cuz I'm a woman. I'm like, no, it's cuz you're dumb, lack the talent, and you shouldn't be in this situation. I'm not saying all women are dumb. I'm not saying women shouldn't have jobs. I'm saying you. This particular woman was hired to be a token to avoid lawsuits, and now she's complaining, threatening a lawsuit. The whole thing is stupid. Let's, let's grab this, this question right here. We got. Oh yeah, that's not cool. Cool. That's not cool. Says question for James. From all your street interviews lately, what's the most common moment where someone's entire position collapses? When you just ask them to explain it. Explain it simply or give a specific example. Do you see that happening more often now than a couple years ago?

[James Klug]

That's a really good question. There's so many of those. And off the top of my head, honestly, it probably has to do with immigration, mass migration, talking about, you know, if you have them unpack a. Basically a position that they hold. I guess I could give, I give several examples, but we'll do. One of their favorite ones is like due process. And they really don't know what within due process is missing. And so they think that illegal immigrants are entitled to basically due process that somebody would get if they committed a crime in the United States for a criminal case. But the, the act of immigration is a civil process. It's an administrative process, and they don't understand any of that stuff, so. So basically having them break down exactly what they're getting at when it comes to what due process is missing for illegal immigrants, that's probably one of the biggest ones that we run into. But, like, what specifically? I don't really have anything off the top of my head. I would have to think about it for a sec, but good question.

[Tim Pool]

We'll grab one more for Ian. Vash says, Ian, when y' all were talking about some sex airport island in the Antarctic about eight minutes ago, you said it was all water before the flood. How can you flood all water?

[Ian Crossland]

That's a great question. Thank you for that. I don't get back to you. How do you flood all the water? Deep sex ops in Antarctica. I'm into it. Did I mention that? Or was I just thinking about it in the deep recesses of my tortured soul?

[Tim Pool]

What was that thing you blurted out about robot sex dogs a long time ago?

[Ian Crossland]

Robot sex dogs are coming. It's gonna be. And they're coming, and they're coming. Robots that have dogs. Robots that have sex. We were talking about dogs that have

[Tim Pool]

sex with you and robot dogs. And then Ian blurted out, mixing them together accidentally robot about.

[Ian Crossland]

Get into the combo. I was like, I need to.

[Tim Pool]

Everyone's like, what?

[James Klug]

We better ban that in the United States.

[Tim Pool]

Or why not?

[Ian Crossland]

I'm pumping your leg and I'll let you out.

[Tim Pool]

I want to tell you guys one last thing before we go. I want you to remember the good old days. Elijah Schaer and Sydney Watson together at Tim Cast Studio. And Ian looked at them and said, he likes putting his fingers in cow's mouths. And they both laughed. They laughed.

[Carter Banks]

That was a good time.

[Tim Pool]

Those are the good old. The good old days. Because now, like, you know, Elijah's got something going on. Everyone's going after him and Sydney and them. They're not friends anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm gonna go hang out with some cows. That's what that means.

[Tim Pool]

I'll put your fingers in their mouths.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I might if the babies. Baby cows.

[James Klug]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

Gentle.

[James Klug]

Anyway, they're dangerously cute friends. It's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

It's been a. It's been a fun Friday. I know we're largely goofing off, having a good time looking at Google Earth, but I think. I think we need it. I think people are burned out on the same stories over and over again. Again, it's a slow news day, and it's slow because everyone's tired. You know, you've got, like, the Iran stuff. You got the SPLC stuff and we talked a bit about it. But I'm sitting here like this morning I did a live stream because I'm just like, dude, I am not going to make the fifth segment about people fleeing New York City. Like we keep getting more and more. I get it. Something happened. I'm not going to say the same thing again. I'd rather make a video where I just finger bored or something. So we gotta have some fun on these Fridays. Smash that like button. Share the show. All the good stuff. You can find me on X and Instagram at Timcast. James, you want to shout in anything out? Yeah.

[James Klug]

You guys make sure to follow my YouTube channel. Subscribe over there. YouTube.com James Klug. You can find me James Klug everywhere else. K Lug Tim. Really appreciate you having me on, man.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely.

[Carter Banks]

It was a pleasure.

[Ian Crossland]

Mr. Klug in the house, bro. At Ian Crossland. You find me on the Internet at iancrossland. Go to Graphene Movie and get ready for that. Sign up. Get your email in there for the newsletter for that. And I think that's all I got to report today. But Tate Brown.

[Tate Brown]

That's right, you can follow me on X and Instagram @realtape. Brown, thank you for kluging it up for us. I'm big, longtime subscriber. I love the great James Klug. Always awesome to be on with them. Carter.

[Carter Banks]

I think I'm also a Klug head now.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

By Tate. Thanks for coming, James. You can follow me at Carter Banks on X and at Carter Banks official everywhere else. Follow our record label at Trash house Records on YouTube.

[Tim Pool]

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