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Texas GOP Greenlights ARREST WARRANTS For Dems Who FLED State w/ Ellie Bufkin
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Phil, Tate, & Shane are joined by Ellie Bufkin to discuss the Texas GOP greenlighting issuing arrest warrants for Democrats who fled the state to block redistricting, the Governor of New York floating redistricting after slamming Texas for doing...
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Phil
Sam over the weekend, Texas Democrats fled the state in order to avoid a quorum because the Republican efforts are looking to do some early redistricting. Now the Texas House has greenlit arrest warrants for the Democrats who fled and Democrat governors across the country are looking to get into this with Kathy Hochschule having an opinion. She said that New York is exploring every option to redraw our state congressional lines to counteract Texas's new map. So we're going to get into that. Benjamin Netanyahu has decided on a full on occupation of Gaza Strip. Now honestly, this is not a surprise. Ever since October 7, it has been the most likely scenario that Hamas was not going to be the the authority in Gaza anymore and it was going to be Israel having to have some kind of occupation. But we'll talk about it. Elizabeth Warren has confirmed that Zoran Mandamni's message of, you know, from each according to their ability, to each according to their need is the new Democrat message. So we'll get into that. We'll talk about the New York Post is looking to expand west and we might talk a little bit about Alex Stein's antics on Capitol Hill today. But before we get into that, why don't you head on over to Castro.com and buy yourself some coffee. We've got a whole bunch of things available. The new Josie's Signature Blend 1776 Signature Blend is available now. We've got Cast Brew Birthday Blend for the United States, the fourth of July special. And of course we've got Ian's Graphine Dream. As always, they're available in K cups now. So you can go on over there and pick that up. Appalachian Nights is the top seller all the time. I think that it outsells Ian's Graphene Dream, but just barely because everybody loves Ian. So head on over there, get yourself some coffee and then after that head on over to Timcast.com and become a member so you can join our discord where you'll be able to call into the after show and talk to us. You'll be able to ask questions of the panel, you'll be able to talk ask questions of the guests, you'll be able to talk to 20,000 or so other like minded individuals. People have gotten married in the Discord. So you should join the Discord and you should all also head on over to rumble.com and become a member there so you can actually watch the uncensored after show where we go ahead and get all kinds of naughty and stuff. So don't forget to smash the like button. Share the show with your friends. And before we get any further on, we're going to go ahead and we've got guests tonight, of course. So would you please introduce yourself and tell everyone what you do.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah. So I'm Ellie Bufkin. I'm currently the deputy communications director at the foundation for Defense of Democracies. But I'm a journalist. I've worked around D.C. new York for Fox News, for the Federalist, the Washington examiner, town hall for the last ten years or so. So kind of started with Trump back in the day. Awesome. So yeah, awesome.
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Phil
Thanks for coming. Shane is here.
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Shane Cashman
Hello.
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Phil
Hello.
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Shane Cashman
I am Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live. Tonight I'll be running out of here around 9:40 to go live on my show on YouTube and rumble. We're gonna have a big night. We're gonna talk about a giant blob that's underground moving towards New York City.
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Phil
Of what?
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Shane Cashman
I don't know yet. We're gonna find out tonight. We got a 30 year old frozen embryo that was just born. We're definitely gonna talk about that tonight. And a nuclear reactor on the moon if it's real. How are you doing?
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Tate
Well, it's producer Tate Tate Brown, occasional host of the morning show Whenever Tim's voice is shot. So did that today. Had a lot of fun. Good to see everyone again.
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Phil
All right. Well, we're gonna get right into it. This is breaking from the Post. Millennial Texas House greenlights arrest warrants for Democrats who fled the state to avoid redistricting Vote Texas Democrat lawmakers have defied Governor Greg Abbott's deadline to return to the state legislature to allow a vote on redistricting congressional boundaries. As a result, Abbott has ordered for those members to be arrested. Abbott warned late Sunday that he would pursue legal action to remove the lawmakers from office if they failed to return to Austin August 4, 2025 to vote on the proposal, Abbott on Monday also directed the Texas Rangers to investigate fleeing Texas House Democrats for potential bribery and any other potential legal violations connected to their refusal to appear for a quorum, conduct business and cast votes. Abbott said that investigation should extend to anyone who aided or abetted such potential crimes. Abbott's pressure follows a walkout by Democrats seeking to deny the Texas House a quorum, the minimum number of legislators required by leaving the state. Democrats effectively froze all legislative activity during a special session set to expire later this month. The primary objective was to halt a GOP drawn congressional map that could secure five additional U.S. house seats for Republicans in the 2026 midterm elections. All right, so normally the redistricting happens after the, the census, which is scheduled for 2030, I believe. So the fact that the Republicans are looking to do redistricting now, it is early, clearly, but I don't know if there's any kind of historical precedent for this. Can you actually speak to this?
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, I can't name the exact instances, but it's not unprecedented and it's not federally prohibited. It's unusual, it's unorthodox, and this is kind of what they're standing on right now. But certainly when, you know, in my experience and what I've read about, when there's a huge population shift, which there has been in Texas, especially since 2020, we're talking about the Pand, talking about people fleeing blue states like New York and California primarily and heading to Texas. This is obviously something that would be advantageous for the Republican Party. They're looking, they see that there's a lot more red that there was before. And quite frankly, if we're talking about a democratic republic, then the people who live there should be represented fairly by their congressional map. And that's what they're going for. 2030 is quite a long ways away and they want to give the people their proper representation in the, in Congress.
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Phil
So there's a lot of argument that I hear from the Democrats that, that are like, oh, well, you know, this is, this is, this is not right. There, there shouldn't be gerrymandering. And gerrymandering is so, so bad and such a big deal, but yet gerrymandering has been the norm literally since this, what, third president. Right. Madison's vice president is not forgetting his last name was Jerry. And that's where the term gerrymandering comes from. This is something that the Democrats have actually mastered and they've really squeezed as much of the juice out of the, the process of gerrymandering as they possibly can. So this is a reaction to a change in the demographic or in the, in the population by the Republicans, and the Democrats are really in a position where they can't do anything about it. Isn't that the case?
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Ellie Bufkin
That is the case. And unfortunately, their hands are tied because they know that the maps are going to be drawn against them because that's who lives in the state. Now. It's extremely hypocritical. If you look at any blue state map, Illinois is a great example of gerrymandering gone gone crazy. New York is another great example. Why would, you know, Jerry Nadler's district be in South Brooklyn and then also on the Upper west side? It's kind of wild, but, you know, they know what they're doing. So for them to, to come out and say, like, this is unconstitutional and, you know, this is wrong, it's like we need to remember, like, you know, who the pot is and who the kettle is in this situation. And it is how it's been done, as you said, you know, for quite a long time, you know, and it's part of the game. Is it fair? I mean, I think that we can all look at times, you know, depending on your own political stripes, where you would say that's not fair. Absolutely, because it's going to work against me. But at the end of the day, and I think that even when, you know, as a conservative, even when I'm in the defensive and I see that there's a lot of blue people, you see a state like New York, it's sad that it's become what it's become, but it is there. They. They have that representation. They have the voters to support that kind of thing. And Texas has the same thing now.
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Phil
Yeah. And to be fair, it's not that just the Democrats have gerrymandered, you know, districts. It's something that the Republicans have done as well, which is part of the reason why, I think it stems from the fact that, you know, it is such a. A foundational piece of American politics. The fact that changing the district to better produce the results that you want, you know, you want to see is something that has been happening for almost as long as we've had the Republic. I mean, what do you think, Shane? Do you think this is something that we can actually expect the reasonable discourse over? Is it going to be just people running around with their heads on reasonable discourse? I'm asking these people. I'm asking.
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Shane Cashman
No, no. They're screeching because they're not in power, and I think they have to yield this power. Right now. I think Texas was. Is turning purple. It might be purple, right? Like, so they do what they have to do. You talk about New York, my old state, those people in upstate New York are not represented. You know, the city changes the entire vote. So it feels like when you're living there in upstate New York, anything north of the city, there's pockets of blue here and there, but it's completely wasted. Your vote means nothing because New York City ruins it. But, yeah, it's another victim of redistricting and everything. So I don't. Reasonable discourse. I don't think you can expect anything reasonable from the left and, and the right to some degree as well, because right now we're like, Hokul's literally calling this a war. You know, she's using that kind of language. So, you know, I'm not surprised that they're going to act this way. That's what they do when they're freaking out.
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Tate
She's right. I mean, you got to play the game. I mean, like the gop, like, you look at North Carolina, that's probably like one of the worst examples of gerrymandering in the country. And that was us, that was the gop. But it's like, yeah, you got to play the game. Because if you put your tools down, they're not. And they feel the other, the same the other way around. It's pretty, pretty annoying seeing some Republicans that are like, guys, guys, we're the party of principles. We can't, we can't, we can't fall into this trap. Principles, like, we're going to principle our way into destruction.
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Shane Cashman
Principle our way to this.
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Phil
Principles lose, period. I mean, if you're, if you're too principled to play the game that's being played, you will lose. The people that want to be left alone will lose to the people that want to actually exercise power every single time. And I see it all the time, especially, you know, as a reformed libertarian. You know, like, the libertarians love to say, well, you know, I'm a libertarian, and you don't do that. You know, we don't use the government for this, and we don't use the government for that. And I would love, if that were the reality that we live. Oh, yeah, but we don't live in that reality. We live in the world where if you don't exercise power, when you have access to power, you can guarantee that your political foes are going to exercise power. And that is going to possibly destroy your way of life.
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Shane Cashman
And they're not afraid to use that.
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Phil
Not at all.
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Shane Cashman
They love using that power. That's why they're screeching so crazy right now, because they're out of power to some degree. And they will lose. They're losing their minds. They're going to R up their base to make it sound like this is. This is worse than Pearl Harbor. This is D Day all over again.
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Phil
You.
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Shane Cashman
That's the language they constantly use to scare people.
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Tate
So we.
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Phil
But one second. We got this video from. From Texas Representative and. Hold on one second. Here we go.
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Tate
85 eyes in, six nays, the motion prevails. The Sergeant at arms and any officers appointed by her are directed to send for all absentees whose attendance is not.
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Phil
Excused for the purposes of securing and.
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Tate
Maintaining their attendance under warrant of arrest if necessary, until further order of the House members. Under the rules, while the House is under a call, any member who wishes to leave the hall must have written permission of the Speaker. The chair is providing written permission to be entered in the journal for each member registered as present on today's roll call to leave the chamber and return tomorrow at 1pm please return at the appointed time. Based.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, so the gavel's.
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Tate
Great. Gavel's based in the little Jeopardy bill.
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Shane Cashman
Or it's like clownish. Yeah.
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Phil
I mean, this is a great example of, you know, exercising power when you have it. If they follow through, of course, you know, it's one thing to say, make remarks from the. The floor of the State House. It's different to actually have things in motion actually happening. But I personally would love to see, you know, the Texas del. The Texas representatives that left. I'd love to see him get arrested. I think it'd be civil, so it'd be some kind of slap on the wrist. No one's going to actually spend any time in jail.
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Shane Cashman
Agreed. But they're also going to use it if they're smart. It's good PR for them. You know, getting arrested now, politicians getting arrested, the mug shot, it's great pr. I don't know if it'll. If that PR will help them in their path the way it helped Trump with his path, his mug shot. But they see that as a way of moving forward.
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Tate
Yeah, we had. We had Tony Ortiz on the show today. He Current revolts, like a Texas paper exclusively.
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Shane Cashman
Oh, yeah.
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Tate
Talking about, like, exactly what you're saying. Is that okay? Yeah, it's gonna be great for us. But also, Trump's the big boogeyman. For them. And so being prosecuted by Trump is going to be such a play for you if you're.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, it looks good for your base.
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Phil
Does this turn into, I mean, does this activate the base in the same way that Trump's. Trump's, you know, mugshot activated the conservative base?
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Ellie Bufkin
I think they've lost a lot of capital in that. I think that four years ago. Yes. I think during the first Trump administration. Yes. And in fact, they did this four years ago in 2021, over a voting ID law. And, and the threats came, kind of fizzled out. They returned, they voted, it was over. I mean, and that's. And even then, they got more attention then. And I remember I, you know, I was. I think I was working at Fox then and we covered it and it was like, ha, ha, ha, you know, like these guys in town and camping out in Illinois or wherever they were. Yeah. D.C. yeah. And, you know, they did it. They did it before long ago in, like, 2003. They did it twice over redistricting. So this is a, this is a card that they know how to play. And I think, unfortunately, they're not going to see the return. I mean, I could be wrong, but you're right.
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Shane Cashman
I think gerrymandering doesn't rile up their base as much as, like, abortion does.
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Ellie Bufkin
Right.
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Tate
Well, and also, like, this is not a good gauge of base either, because the only reason this happens so much in Texas, this really only happens in Texas is because, like, for a quorum, you need 2/3 to be present where pretty much every other state's half. So they could pull this card basically, like, over, you know, if they change the lunchtime or something, they could, you know.
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Shane Cashman
What does Beto o' Rourke think, though? Someone I really need to hear from.
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Tate
Eating the Illinois dirt.
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Phil
Beto o' Rourke heard that the Democrats were running, and he's like, I'm running too.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, yeah, he's in it, man.
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Tate
He's eating the dirt up in Chicago. It's got, like, casings in it.
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Phil
He was, he was die hard to do anything at all, to be a public figure. He tried everything. Senate, state rep. No. And he lost everything. And I can't.
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Ellie Bufkin
He won the first time. I mean, he was in Congress and he gave that up. His ambitions got too big.
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Shane Cashman
They gave David Hogg more power than it gave.
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Phil
They did, didn't they? Brutal.
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Tate
Brutal. You've seen a lot of white people pretend to be black, but when have you ever seen a white person larp as Hispanic? I mean, Alec Baldwin's wife And then.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah, Hilario.
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Phil
Yeah.
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Tate
And that's it. That's like the two big ones.
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Shane Cashman
The ice. It's tougher these days.
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Phil
It's more dangerous.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, you got to watch yourself.
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Tate
No, my name's Robert.
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Phil
Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about, man. Why don't we go to the story. Kathy Hochel says that New York is exploring every option to redraw our state congressional lines to counteract Texas's new map. New York Governor Kathy Hochul hosted Texas Democrat lawmakers at the state Capitol on Wednesday after the lawmakers fled their state in order to deny Republican lawmakers the quorum needed to pass a redistricting proposal. During her speech, Hochul said that she and other New York lawmakers were exploring options to conduct redistricting in the state to counteract redistricting in Texas. I have a news flash for Republicans in Texas. In Texas, this is no longer the Wild West. We're not going to tolerate our democracy. Democracy being stolen in a modern day stage coast by a bunch of law breaking cowboys. This is that she's just laying it on thick. Americans don't want a system that's stacked against them. They believe in fairness. It's fundamental. And I'll tell you this, they're done with the chaos, they're done with the cruelty. And I would say they, they're ready to vote Republicans out of power in Washington, certainly in the upcoming 2026 elections. Are you sure about that? Circle the wagon. I know. I'm surprised she didn't go there.
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Ellie Bufkin
It's funny because up until she says to vote out Republicans, it sounds like she's describing the Trump base. Right. I mean, it actually exactly describes like what happened and why Trump came into power in the first place. Because people do feel like they're disenfranchised. People do feel like they're not being listened to. And that's exactly why this is is the way that it is.
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Shane Cashman
And this lady is a psychopath. Let's see, like I fled New York as she was in a church saying, we need you to be our apostles.
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Ellie Bufkin
I have news flash for Republicans.
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Phil
Let's see what she has to say here.
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Ellie Bufkin
I have news flash for Republicans in Texas. This is no longer the Wild West. We're not going to tolerate our democracy being stolen in a modern day stagecoach hoist by a bunch of law breaking cowboys.
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Tate
Yeah, Making it sound awesome.
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Ellie Bufkin
Americans don't want a system that's stacked against them. They believe in fairness. It's fundamental.
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Tate
No, we don't.
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Ellie Bufkin
I'll say this. They're done with the chaos, they're done with the cruelty. And I would say they're ready to vote Republicans out of power in Washington, certainly in the upcoming 2026 election.
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Phil
All right, so this is four minutes long. You get the.
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Shane Cashman
They made her in the same laboratory they made Pelosi. It's just like a newer version. I never realized that they looked. They're witchy similar American Westworld.
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Ellie Bufkin
She's just like the newer model.
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Shane Cashman
Exactly.
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Tate
They do this thing where they have like a larp. Like their working class. So the speechwriter is like, so obnoxious. Like, oh, yeah, this is how people talk, like out in the country. It's like the word or. And then source of the worst is in the Republican side when they make all the guys try to emulate Trump like they did with Desantis, as they would like, because Trump, you know, he said, like, I'm going to rough him up. And everyone's like, yeah. And then they had Desantis come out and they're like, like, we're gonna slit their throats. I was like, whoa, dude, what's wrong with you? The same thing. They're a bunch of swashbuckling cowboy. Yeah, that sounds sick.
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Shane Cashman
She talks about engines in the next.
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Tate
We're gonna scalp them.
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Ellie Bufkin
The only person who can pull this off is Trump, though nobody can exactly explain why. It's like, why is Ricky Gervais the only person who can make AIDS jokes work? Like, nobody knows. It's the same thing. Like, only Trump can talk like this. Everybody else sounds like. Sounds masochistic and terrifying.
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Tate
And she's like, americans care about fairness. I'm like, are you new here? This is a country of temporarily embarrassed millionaires. I will switch up on everyone if it means a million dollars.
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Ellie Bufkin
You kid me.
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Tate
Get out of here.
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Phil
I mean, that's the argument that I make all the time. Like, Americans care about, like, kitchen table issues. They care about, can I pay my bills? Can I. Can I afford to get my kids into the school that I want them to go in? Like, everybody cares about their wallet. And that and everything else that they say they care about is tertiary to their wallet. Even now with the gen. With Gen X being, you know, favorable to socialist policies, they're not favorable to actual communism because they don't. They don't conceptualize actual communism. They think I'm going to get free stuff. And that's good because I can't afford to pay my bills. If you. If. If the average Gen z person had 100 grand in the bank. Now, they wouldn't feel that way, right? Like, they wouldn't feel like, oh, I'm favorable to, you know, confiscatory tax policy because they'd be like, that's going to take my stuff. And so the idea that it's, it's, it's somehow baked into young people to actually want a socialist president or socialist policies. No, they want to be able to pay their bills, they want to, to feel like they can afford to live. They want to be able to pay their rent. And now because of the past 15 years, since the economic crisis, because of the way that the federal government and the Federal Reserve has been handling monetary policy, because of those things, it's, it's coming down on Gen Z like they're the ones that are paying for it. And it's something that again, I'm a reformed libertarian, but like back in the day, I was the guy that was screaming about this is going to come back to bite America in the ass. This is going to be a massive problem. And now it is.
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Shane Cashman
I think the younger crowd subconsciously embraces capitalism while trying to embrace a false idea of socialism, communism, you know, because they're out there protesting with all their technology that they can, they can afford and do the things they think they can do at home, like their poetry books. But they don't understand the end game. No, for socialism, communism, feeding off of them, owning them, you know, turning them into slaves. They see this false idea of a paradise that they've been lied to about.
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Ellie Bufkin
I agree with you and I think that a lot of it is a lack of understanding and a lack of just intellect about, about what capitalism, what socialism is, what Marxism is. But you know, more than that, they're kind of conditioned to be comfortable. And I've heard, you know, you guys talk about this on the show for weeks now. There's just a lack of interest in bettering yourself. So this idea of getting free stuff is just kind of like tacking onto the fact that I can live on the bare minimum, whatever that is. And I'll just take whatever is free and I'll learn to live with it. I'll learn to live with 16 dudes and I'll just never have kids and I'll never save any money. And that's fine with me. And there's this mentality and I don't even think it's limited to Gen Z or Gen Alpha. I mean, I think that there's people in my age group who are suffering through this too. So I'M not really sure what the solution is, but they have them like people like Hookle have them right where they want them. You know, they're, they're ready for the free stuff without actually putting too much thought into what it means.
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Phil
Yeah. I mean most of the time people don't, don't associate the free stuff with all of the strings that are attached. But nothing that comes from the government comes without strings. And you can actually see it the way that the government treats the federal government treats the states. Right. So you get states that have all this, you know, federal money for say roads. Right. For interstate systems. Well, to get that money, you have to do things that whatever administration is in power says. And there's the, the generalized ones like you have to have your, your, your alcohol sales. The age limit has to be 21. It can't be lower. And if you lower it, the federal, federal government will stop giving you money for roads. Right. Like that. That was the way that they got nationwide. 21 is the age for the drinking age. Right. But there's other things that depend on who the actual president is. And Donald Trump is doing this all the time. Whether or not you like these policies or whatever, Donald Trump adds strings to federal funding all the time. So the idea that you get anything for free is, it's a, it's a mirage. There's always strings attached and the government's always going to be like, you have to do this if you want to get this.
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Ellie Bufkin
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Tate
One of the most spectacular venues with all kinds of character and hospitality scenery. These people in this Kas valley, they.
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Phil
Love when you come to see what.
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Shane Cashman
They have to offer. I'm J.J. harris, an Ellensburg rodeo clown and I want to invite you to the rodeo. Come hang out with us in Ellensburg. Great rodeo, great time. Two performances on Saturday. One is the extreme Bulls of the year event. Do not miss the Ellensburg Rodeo August 29th through September 1st.
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Phil
We'll see you there.
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Shane Cashman
So in fact the Treasury Department right now accepts PayPal and Venmo. If anyone has any extra cash for some reason that you want to help with the national debt, send it their way. I'm sure you don't need it.
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Tate
That's. That'd be kind of. That's actually kind of base. I'm going to do that. Get a, Get a head start on my taxes.
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Ellie Bufkin
You never get anything you don't ask for.
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Phil
That's not a head start on your taxes. This is just a gift to the government.
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Tate
Oh, yeah. I love the government.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah.
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Phil
Yeah.
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Ellie Bufkin
Well, tax deductible.
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Tate
I think with Zoomers, it's just because, like, I'm a zoomer. We're just so nihilistic about, like, how broken everything is that it's like you kind of have to have like a radical ideology. It's like being a modern. It's like, so, like, gay.
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Phil
It's boomer coded.
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Tate
Well, it's like, it's boomer coded and it's like, so, you know, you're like, hanging out with, like, other Zoomers and you're like, oh, you're like a Paleo Marxist Leninist. Oh, I'm like a radical, like, monarchist dude. Like, tell me more about your thing, like, what's your radical ideology? But we're all on lists. That's the problem.
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Phil
It's all the Zoomer Waffen.
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Tate
Yeah, that's what it is. So, yeah, we're all, we're all in lists now.
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Ellie Bufkin
I think we're all just waiting for, like, the political flags. Right. So, like, we can, like, add our. Themselves to like, stripes and letters and. Yeah, yeah.
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Phil
I mean, I, the, the, the problem with the, the demand for radical politics is there's real world consequences that honestly they don't, you know. Yeah, this is boring. Like that, that they don't think about. Right. Like, you know, there's, there's, it's not like radical politics are actually new. There's no radical politics. There's. There's old politics that are radical now that people are talking about, which is, you know, whether it be the. The again, the Zoomer Waffen, or whether you're talking about the actual communists, you know, the, the Marxist Leninist and stuff that's radical, but it's not new. It's just. It's stuff that's been tried before and hasn't produced positive results.
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Shane Cashman
And a whole few generations learned during the Summer of Love that violence and burning down cities does have results for. In their favor. And like, you're like, well, former vice president could donate money for your. For your bail.
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Phil
How does it actually work in their favor? Did those people temporarily. Because I don't think that I would say that they didn't get anything actually beneficial out of it. Maybe they didn't have to go to jail and pay like the price that you'd expect for being violent.
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Shane Cashman
You mean personally they got anything or societally either, because I feel like their society for a bit of time bent over for them. They also corporations did.
- [27:30]
Phil
Like everyone, they got a sugar high.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, Like, I don't think it was. There was a longevity to it, but they got what they wanted. But it didn't last.
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Tate
I think there was longer. I think they had. From their perspective, they advanced the football because they pushed the Democrat party in a more radical, radical way. I mean, okay, yeah, society reeled back with the Trump election, but the Democrat parties forever changed because of 2020.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, I mean, all the politicians, I mean, we had politicians crying at George Floyd's funeral with his gold casket. We had the NBA doing their thing for like everyone kind of bent over anywhere either.
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Tate
Like the Democrat Party, that is still, if anything, the base is actually mad that they're not radical enough.
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Phil
So then maybe, so maybe now's a good time to go on to this story here from the post Millennial Elizabeth Warren confirmed Zohran Mamdani's message is the Democratic message. Senator Elizabeth Warren joined New York City mayoral candidate Zoharan Mamdani on when saying I think that means Wednesday saying that the candidate socialist platform is the Democratic message. When someone stands up and says I will lead this city by making it more affordable and here are my plans, real plans. Plans to deliver on childcare, plans to deliver on housing, plans to deliver, we're going to experimen, going to try things on groceries. That is the Democratic message. Warren joined Mamdani at the DC 37 Union Building to express support for his universal child care proposal, per the New York Post. For me, New York City is the place to start the conversation for Democrats on how affordability is the central issue, the central reason to be a Democrat and that delivering on it in meaningful, tangible ways that will touch working families is why we're here. Seeing whether or not you re people want to admit it, the idea of affordability is something that's going to resonate with young people because they can't afford stuff now. So even though this is the, the policies that he's actually talking about are horrible. They're, they're all, they're policies that will take New York backwards. They're going to destroy investment. They're going to probably destroy people's ability to actually get food. If you have, you know, municipal grocery stores, they're going end up with empty shelves because there's other places where you can get eggs. They're not going to be, they're not going to be able to compete and they're going to have to try to affect the other grocery stores to be able to compete. These are all, you know, the policies like rent control are terrible. They end up making the places that people have rent control. They make those places into slums because nobody wants to invest to fix those places. When things break down, they're, they're all destructive policies. But when they're sold to the electorate, as this is to make things more affordable and the electorate cannot afford things, they're going to say, yeah, that's a good, that's a good deal for me. You know, I mean, I agree.
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Shane Cashman
And they, they would. These people like aoc, they don't even want you to work. You know, like, I remember this just reminded me of that time, was it Amazon moving into her district and she down and she voted it away?
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Phil
Yeah, right.
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Shane Cashman
And that was going to bring in a ton of jobs. But this will be more appealing. I'm sure. There were people who were very mad about that in that district.
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Phil
Yeah, people in her district.
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Shane Cashman
Right, yeah, they were yelling at her.
- [30:40]
Phil
Right? They were pissed.
- [30:41]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah.
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Ellie Bufkin
But here's the. Oh, sorry.
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Shane Cashman
No, no, go for it.
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Ellie Bufkin
No, but here's the thing. And I truly predict, and having lived in New York many, many years at this point and seen so many of these policies actually come into play, you know, I think a lot of people are predicting, oh, if he wins, everyone's going to leave. Well, first of all, most everybody who's going to leave already left. Like most people who, anybody who's still there has to be there. I mean, that's the only reason for it at this point. I, I generally think these policies are harmful. And then anybody who lives in New York long enough is not going to, is going to realize that they're not going to get anything for free. They're not going to be able to overcome the incredible rent problem that they already have in New York. And I'm sorry, but $15 an hour is not a living wage. So I'm not sure, like, what world you live in. And coming from the restaurant industry, 15 years and most of it in New York, that was extremely harmful. And the result was that most people lost their jobs, not that they actually were able to afford their rent.
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Shane Cashman
Some of the waitresses in Manhattan do all right now with the tips, maybe. You know, I wonder how the tips are going to help them.
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Ellie Bufkin
Except they don't, because there's only half of the amount that they used to be. And they don't get tips because the service is terrible, because there's not enough people on the floor because they have to pay people benefits. They have to pay people these exorbitant minimum wages. Restaurants operate on this like sliver margin.
- [31:51]
Shane Cashman
I mean, I knew people who were working in restaurants and hotels and those hotels were taken to give in to illegals.
- [31:56]
Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, yeah.
- [31:56]
Shane Cashman
Like they lost their jobs and these guys got debit cards.
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Ellie Bufkin
Most of the restaurants that I worked for in New York lost their property because of that. They were all in hotels. Danny Meyer, this is very famous. He had my Leno and Marta and the Redwood Hotel and the Gramercy Park Hotel. And both of those restaurants are gone because of that. Not because of the pandemic, but because of migrants in the hotels.
- [32:16]
Shane Cashman
Insane.
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Ellie Bufkin
These are what the policies actually cause.
- [32:19]
Tate
Yeah. And I can't wait for when. Not that I want. Cuz Trump's the guy, he should be Caesar, back to the radical policies, but when Trump's out of the way, I can't wait for the knife fight in the Democrat Party between the DSA and the old stock Democrats, so to speak. Because I mean, there's gonna be. One side has all the money and then the other side has all the passion. And it's going to be so fun watching this. I mean, it's gonna be delicious.
- [32:41]
Phil
Back to that point that you were making about, you know, the businesses leaving. Do you foresee if Mamdani does win and it's looking like he's going to. Do you foresee New York becoming like Detroit? Is it possible for New York City to be hollowed out like that? Because I can imagine, you know, a lot of people. I know you made the argument that, you know, the people that, that can leave have already left. I don't, I don't, I don't know that I believe that. I think there are a lot of people that wanted to pay more because it made them feel good. A lot of wealthy people, you know, on the Upper east and west side that had, that have nice apartments around Central park and stuff, or nice condos. And those people, if, if the government starts actually going after their, their, you know, their savings, saying, you know, you've got this, this unrealized gain, you know, unrealized or taxes on unrealized gains or whatever. I think that those people will be like, okay, now this is too much for me and they might start leaving and that. Do you foresee a possibility possible?
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Ellie Bufkin
I think that it's hard to compare it to Detroit, which really lost its soul because of the death of the American made automotive industry. So that, that really is kind of difficult to compare.
- [33:55]
Phil
I think you can you conceptualize like the financial industry saying, you know what, I don't need to. We don't need to be here so much.
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Ellie Bufkin
I think much more likely in this scenario, they don't have factories. Much more likely in this scenario is that they're going to elect Mondami and then they're going to realize what they've done, and the buyer's remorse is going to result in a massive pendulum swing long before he has the chance to rot that city to its core. People understand that New York is New York. It's the heart and soul of media. It's the heart and soul of news and politics.
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Phil
But if it's young people that don't have any money and don't have anything to lose, are there enough older people with money and with things to lose that would vote against those people to say, okay, we actually have enough influence? You think there's enough?
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Ellie Bufkin
I think that the young people are going to lose interest in this?
- [34:41]
Tate
Yeah.
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Ellie Bufkin
Then this. I think that the worst thing that could happen to the Democratic Party right now is Zohan Mandami. I think that him winning this election is going to show everybody, is going to show everybody exactly what they're playing with. It's going to reveal every card that they've been trying to use, and it's going to be an enormous problem for them.
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Tate
New York City also has, like a really transitory population. So the under 35 crowd right now completely different from what the under 35 crowd was 20 years ago. So the amount of cultural changes that are going to occur with young people in New York City in the next five, 10 years when that churn happens. I mean, like, I think the average New Yorker that's. I saw a stat and it was the Average New Yorker, 35 Loser for like four and a half years. Yeah, it's like the Zoran version. Be gone in five years anyway.
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Shane Cashman
I also feel like New York City is capable of dying. Coming back, like I think how it was in the 70s and it was a war zone more times than that, way more times than that. So there's always, I think, hope for that place. Maybe Trump will be mayor.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah. And after all this, I spend so much time complaining about it, you know, in print, not, you know, podcasts and stuff. And it's like I, you know, I could, I could live there again. I Like it, I mean it is, it is what it is. It's New York. I have no interest in going to Detroit.
- [35:43]
Tate
I'm sorry if anybody's even awesome, Chicago's staying on its feet even with like two back to back, like full blown, like communist, like low iq.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah.
- [35:52]
Tate
Like people.
- [35:53]
Ellie Bufkin
Yeah. They got, they got rid of, you know, what's her face and then got the somebody.
- [35:56]
Tate
They got rid of Beetlejuice and brought in.
- [35:57]
Shane Cashman
Oh, if the city, if New York City descends into violence more that might make people move. Do you think?
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, I think that's the, that's really the thing is the safety issue. And most of the people that I know who left during the pandemic, I know a lot of people who were, you know, conservative media who left. But more specifically people left because they had kids and they were just afraid that this was not a good place to happen anymore.
- [36:16]
Shane Cashman
We were getting threatened to have our heads chopped off on the subways with our baby stroller. From Brooklyn to Harlem, you know, people.
- [36:22]
Ellie Bufkin
Just running around with machetes threatening to drop your head.
- [36:24]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
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Tate
But even then times like the suburbs in and around, like Connecticut, New Jersey still growing a lot. So it's like even the suburbs in around New York City are still dependent on New York City. So even even if there's a capital flight from New York City itself, a lot of that will just land in Westchester Bergen.
- [36:38]
Ellie Bufkin
It would have to be a generation of Marxist communism in that city to get to the point that you described. I mean, I think it is on the table, but I predict it'll self correct long before that.
- [36:49]
Tate
I mean we're seeing, Yeah, I mean we're seeing now where San Francisco had much more sensitive industry and now they're kind of coming to their senses a little bit. They're electing more modern candidates and it's like. And they're gonna probably be fine to some degree because this is America and there's just a lot of capital in America. It would take a lot to end up in a Detroit situation for a city of the magnitude of New York City. So it's gonna. Yeah, probably like you said, you probably will. The New York Post is gonna have some really good headlines the next two years, two to three years.
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Shane Cashman
Oh yeah, my favorite New York Post headline from the city is Headless body in a topless Bar.
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Tate
That's really good.
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Ellie Bufkin
It's a classic.
- [37:27]
Tate
Yeah, I know that. I know they have a table at the York Post and they're just sitting around just like bang, did it again. Dude.
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Ellie Bufkin
They do I mean that's. Yeah, that's not a fantasy. That's like legitimately the news.
- [37:38]
Tate
Well, they have like, there's got to be like one table just in charge of giving a different name to a criminal. Every single.
- [37:43]
Ellie Bufkin
There's headline writers. Like, they literally don't write copy. They just write headlines in our form.
- [37:47]
Tate
Rabble rousers. It's like they just, they're trying to come up with as many names as possible. I love it.
- [37:52]
Phil
I mean, look, I mean headlines and, and what's going to get a click is, is. Is one of the most important, important currencies that, that exist in the online 2025.
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Ellie Bufkin
I mean, there's a reason this.
- [38:05]
Phil
I mean, how much.
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Tate
I don't think the Post is even worried about headlines or making money. I think they just want to prefer art. I think it's just art.
- [38:12]
Shane Cashman
It's all performance.
- [38:13]
Phil
You're so full of it.
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Tate
Gift to America. There you go. We're losing money. This is for you.
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Ellie Bufkin
In fairness, they can't be making money on print anymore. And they are. They're still like the number one circulator of actual physical copies. So it's got to be the art.
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Tate
Yeah, it's a room full of just, just patrons.
- [38:28]
Ellie Bufkin
It's beautiful.
- [38:29]
Tate
Very beautiful thing.
- [38:30]
Phil
Dude, they literally make money on their, on like their web games.
- [38:32]
Tate
Right.
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Shane Cashman
On like their browser games. Isn't that where like there's stuff that.
- [38:35]
Phil
You can buy on Play Store?
- [38:36]
Shane Cashman
Isn't that. Where is it they make most of their money.
- [38:38]
Phil
I thought that's what they made most of their money. I don't know.
- [38:40]
Tate
But like New York Times probably just propped by Wordle at this point.
- [38:42]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Ellie Bufkin
Is.
- [38:47]
Shane Cashman
Or the Chinese Communist Party. Yeah, New York Times is.
- [38:51]
Phil
Oh yeah. Well, I mean, look, there's the, the, the Communist Party in. Or the New York Times has been run for by the Communist party since the 30s.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah. Got him some Pulitzers.
- [39:03]
Phil
What was his name that was lying about the Soviet Union?
- [39:06]
Shane Cashman
I always forget his name. He went over William Durante.
- [39:10]
Phil
William Durante, who was over there and didn't write about.
- [39:13]
Shane Cashman
He basically said there was no famine happening.
- [39:14]
Phil
Yeah, he's. He's. I've seen the future and it's working for dieting.
- [39:19]
Tate
It's not a big. It's called intermittent fasting.
- [39:23]
Phil
It's nutrition. It's going to be great in 100 years.
- [39:25]
Shane Cashman
You're the Pulitzer.
- [39:27]
Phil
Yeah, but I, I mean, I don't, I don't know that I'm as optimistic as you guys about New York City because I think that the, the population is going to end up if, if, like hypothetically, if, if Mamdani wins, he institutes these policies and then they don't work work. And I think that only radicalizes people more like the most important thing for Donald Trump is to have economic policies that work. Everybody. You hear a lot of people making noise about, you know, about the Epstein list. You hear a lot of people making noise about Israel. You hear a lot of people making noise about, oh, there haven't been people arrested yet, he hasn't done enough to clean the swamp, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The reason that he got elected was because he was going to do good things for the economy. And that's what people heard when they said we're going to deport illegal immigrants. Right? They, they elected him because he was going to deport illegal immigrants. And people translated that in their heads to I will be able to find jobs and better jobs and more jobs for Americans. It's economics. So if his economic policies don't pan out, that means that it's likely that someone like an AOC or like, not that he could win because he wasn't born here, but like a Zor Mumtani, someone with those kind of policies could win the presidential election in, you know, 2030 or whatever, whenever the next one is. I forget. But yeah, like, I feel like the failures of the, this particular administration or the failures of a Momani administration only help to feed the radicals. It doesn't mean that people are going to say, no, we have to go back to the ways that have actually worked because the young people and people that, that, that are upset now don't believe those ways ever worked.
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Shane Cashman
I think, okay, going down your path, I see that possibility because in the left, especially in the younger generations, widespread nihilism. So a bad economy and suffering might just make it part of their, like, DNA. Like, this is helping this, this is, we have to, we have to self sacrifice.
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Phil
Because people right now, the people that think that, that, that leftist policies are a good idea, they look at this world that we live in and they don't see that capitalism is what built it. They think that it just is, right? If you talk to a kid that's, that's, you know, got favorable opinions of, of communism or whatever, he doesn't think, oh, well, you know, communism might be okay, but it's capitalism that's gotten us here. It's capitalism that's raised basically everyone on earth out of abject poverty. Like they're, they're. In 2030, there will be no one left on the planet that lives on less than a dollar, like two bucks a day. Right? And it's not socialism that's produced that. It's not at all. It's capitalism. But they don't see that. And you try to tell them that and they're not hearing it because believe me, I'll get on the, I'll get on X and I'll argue with anybody and I'll be like, you know, know this is what's going on. And, and to hear them talk, they don't understand or they, it doesn't compute to them that this world that we live in with all this abundance and the fact that you can use your phone to order doordash and have it brought to your house and then pay for it with Klarna, like all that stuff is because of capitalism. Not that Klarna's got ideas for doordash.
- [43:01]
Ellie Bufkin
With Klarna, you have a lot of problems.
- [43:03]
Phil
It's a horrible idea.
- [43:03]
Tate
That's awesome.
- [43:04]
Phil
But the point is, like, all of that is because of capitalism. And they don't understand that. They think, no, capitalism is why my life is bad. Capitalism is why things are hard. Capitalism is, is why I don't get to do the things that I want to do. Even though, like, the things that they want to do don't exist in the absence of capitalism. And it's something that you he. You see on the left a lot. People on the left love to produce these memes that say, oh, 50 gorillion people died of, of, of capitalism because they didn't have clean water and they didn't have medicine and they didn't have food and they didn't have this. And it's like all of the things you're talking about, they don't get without capitalism. And, and they, they just assume that medicine and technological advances and all of this stuff happens in the absence of capitalism. And it doesn't. So I don't know that they understand the world they live in. The foundation is markets and liberty.
- [44:02]
Shane Cashman
It's been on purpose. That's why, why things like the cultural revolution have to destroy history so they can rebuild you, you're born again into this fake religion of Marxism to destroy, to rebuild this utopia. And like, it's not to say that capitalism has massive flaws, like, massive flaws, but it's still right now what we got. And when I'm like, that's what I'm. What you're saying is that's exactly what I mean by them subconsciously embracing capitalism. They're they're taking part in all of it. But they've been force fed this idea of like no family, no real work, no legacy, no beauty. So their suffering is part of their policy. Policy.
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Tate
But it's like too, it's like we've, I mean the right has invested so much money and time into like media promoting capitalism and free markets for the last 50 years. And like there's been pretty much no fruit. Fruit. And then Trump comes along. I don't even know if he's ever mentioned the word capitalism once. He's just like, we're going to make deals, it's going to be great. Like we're gonna have a huge building in New York with my name on it. That's what people want to hear. People like, you know how they get. I don't think he's ever explained like Keynesian model before in his entire life. He's like, he's just, he wants to make a deal.
- [45:06]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [45:06]
Tate
And that. It's like young people just need to believe and if you get really into the weeds on this, like Zoron isn't getting up there explaining like Mark, people are going through his website and looking at all his policies and brains working. They're like, why is this doesn't even work. This doesn't compute. It's like. Cause it doesn't matter. It's about the vibes you have to sell. Americans are a Vibes based people, people. You have to sell the vibe so the right can't like overcorrect and start getting really into like economics textbooks and stuff because that's what like you know, not gonna say the names they've been doing for years and it's not working.
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Phil
So then if vibes are how you sell people on something, how do you make young people understand?
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Tate
Trump's done it. Trump's done it. So I mean Trump crushes with young men because it's awesome. Because.
- [45:45]
Phil
No, I know, I know. I'm letting, I'm building, I'm push back on that. Trump crushes with young men because the Democrats hate young men. Look, if Trump wasn't the only option, I don't think Trump would be as popular with young men. The option is Donald Trump or we hate you and hope you die.
- [46:10]
Tate
No, because when Trump's not on the ballot, Republicans do terribly because I think young men love Trump. I mean they hate Democrats who, because like you said, they are, they stay home. HR but like Trump just provides something that just connects. Like I've never found an 80 year old man relatable in my entire life until Donald Trump.
- [46:27]
Ellie Bufkin
I agree with you. And I think that if you look at the last election results, it's clear that, I mean, Trump didn't win the popular vote and the Electoral College because the Democrats screwed up so badly. I mean, he. They did, but he also won because he had a message that resonated. There was more. There was a little bit of column A and a lot of column B. But I think it's really important you said something that I really want to go back to, which is the religion of socialism and Marxism. And that is what's working so well for the left right now is they've created this sort of cult vibe. And it's very, very attractive. It's the same thing, you know, the trans flag with all the colors. You can be in our club. You're in the cult. You can wave the colors, you can wear the badge. You've got this. And. And that is very difficult to break into. And it's the same problem that, that Europe is dealing with, with having extremists living in their. And, you know, in their countries and having neighborhoods that are just been taken over. You can't compete with the ideology. The ideology is strong. So I'm not sure what the answer is there.
- [47:22]
Phil
Calling it a religion is really hitting the nail on the head. Look, it gives P. If you're a young, you know, say you're a young white guy, right? And you've been told all your life, since you were little, you've heard. Even if you're not told, you just hear, right? Just. You're. You live in, in, in. In this society where you hear white men are bad, men are bad, boys are toxic, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you find out that if you just like guys or if you decide that you want to be a woman, you can. And it's literally a way for you. It's a way out for you. And you just have to swallow the ideology hole. It's incred. I can imagine that it is incredibly attractive for people that are awkward, that don't. Can't find their way in, you know, in, in. In life. And at a time when you're going through puberty, you're about to go through puberty if you're not the most masculine dude, if you're not a, you know, a dude that's able to assert himself, that doesn't feel like he's a winner, which, I mean, when you're a teenager who does sure, you know, know that, that kind of ideology, that, that that possible way out is incredibly attractive.
- [48:42]
Shane Cashman
It's crazy to see how that ideology is spread to just beyond the young group, because there's parents who are willing to sacrifice their children for that. Like to mutilate your child, mostly. That's a death cult.
- [48:51]
Phil
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [48:52]
Ellie Bufkin
But.
- [48:52]
Shane Cashman
But there's guys too. You know, effeminate dudes.
- [48:54]
Tate
That's.
- [48:55]
Phil
Well, the dudes end up joining and being a part of it. I mean, look at the Kardashians. You know Jenner. Yeah. You know, Caitlyn Jenner.
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Shane Cashman
You can say Bruce.
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Phil
Bruce, whatever. You know, Bruce, like he. He won at life, won gold medal, was on the we. He was the guy on the Wheaties box. Right. And then he's like, my daughters are hotter than me.
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Ellie Bufkin
He's like, have you actually seen. There's like, I never watched the Kardashians, but have you actually seen the clip where he is explaining to his daughters that he's going to become a woman? And like, they're hysterical, like, and not in a good way. I mean, it's a really sad scene. I mean, now you have to think about this. He's been Caitlyn Jenner now for a long time. A long time. But before that, you know, he was Bruce and he was this Olympian and he was, like you said, winning at life. But this was something that was so difficult for his family. And it just. I mean, my immediate thought was, like, who's helping this man? Like, there's just. I mean, it's just such a sad thing that, like, clearly he's just going through it and like destroying his family to get to that end. And, you know, thankfully that family has.
- [49:59]
Shane Cashman
Good access to plastic surgeons.
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Tate
Yeah, well, I mean, that's that good.
- [50:04]
Phil
Not for him. It didn't work so well for Bruce.
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Shane Cashman
But the other three are like cloned new versions.
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Tate
Take it back into the garage.
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Ellie Bufkin
Kris Jenner looks great. All right.
- [50:13]
Shane Cashman
That's Adrenocare.
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Ellie Bufkin
That's just an objective truth.
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Tate
That is like the undercurrent of left wing thought is. It's an attack on beauty. And like, for example, if you're a young person and what is more beautiful than having a child, extending your bloodline. So of course they're gonna try and push homosexuality on you. Cause it nukes your bloodline. Same thing with transgenders. You're taking Bruce Jenner. I'm not gonna call him beautiful, but you're taking a specimen, right? A physical specimen. This is peak human performance. And to rip him down and destroy him and, you know, hot swap and weld on some skin on his.
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Phil
Bolt on.
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Tate
Yeah. And he's got like a grenade blast on his arm. I mean, what is more horrifying than that? And that's what they're trying to push. They're trying to destroy something that's the pinnacle humanity. That's an Olympian.
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Shane Cashman
And that's how they redefine beauty. Because to them that's.
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Tate
I don't even know if they're trying. I don't think they're even trying to redefine beauty. I think they're trying to normalize ugly.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah. Raise ugliness.
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Tate
You see it everywhere. You go to like boss and you see their city hall. That's like, that's not. They're not.
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Phil
They're like, it's beautiful.
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Tate
They know it's hideous.
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Ellie Bufkin
They do these surgeries on people like that. You. You take away their ability to change their mind because now they become lifelong patients where they're going to have to constantly address the this and you can't undo it. I mean, and you listen to these just, just harrowing stories from like d transitioners about like what they've gone through and, and the type of support they got from people who swore a hypocratic oath to do no harm and, and did exactly that.
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Phil
I mean, it's really, you know, to your point, one of the things the left talks about, you hear for the phrase center the margins, right? And they say that the people on the margins should be made the center. That doesn't work for society at all. Right. Like, you have to have a society that focuses on the majority of the people and says, this is how we're going to have our society organized. And if you want to live on the margins, that's acceptable. You know, and, and in a society like ours, we can make room for people to live on the margins, but that doesn't mean that we have to center them. All government policy should focus on families. Normal. And I'm, I'm using the term normal intentionally. Normal men and women married together, having kids, hopefully three, you know, because that's what's normal and that's what you need to reproduce your society. And the idea that it is good for the government to promote things that will not help produce more of the society is ridiculous. It's literally counterproductive to the society. Like, why are you going to say, oh, we're gonna make special accommodations for trans people, for gay people, for non binary people, whatever. We're gonna make special, special accommodations and center those people in our policy making when those people Are not going to reproduce the society. Society. Right. They're just not gonna do it. I mean it's, it's the most counterproductive thing a government can do is to say we're gonna take the people on the margins and center them. No, you center, you focus on the people in the center and make sure that normal families, again using the phrase normal intentionally because normal means man, woman, kids, normal families have what they need to, to be successful. And that being the idea that that's a, a hateful perspective, which is what I mean, there are people that would, will clip this or would clip this and say Phil is a bigot for saying that. I don't care if you're going to call me a bigot for saying that normal people are normal. But normal, the word normal has a meaning and that's what the, the government should be focusing on, on doing its best to hold up and support. And if you live on, if you want to have a life that's on the margins, it's okay. There's nothing, there's nothing that, that is going to, we're going to stop you, but you don't get to be the center of attention. You can be on the margins. You can have your, your, your friend, group and whatever, but the government is going to look at people that are normal and say this is what we want to see more of because this is what produces more people. People at the. Even if only for the, the fact that it produces more tax base.
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Shane Cashman
But attacking the normal and embracing the fringe is how they collapse the society.
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Phil
Yes.
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Shane Cashman
Which is what they want. So they can flood it with their insanity.
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Tate
Yep. I mean, and I think, I don't, I think gays are like probably better off if they're on the fringe because that's when like you think like the 70s and 80s, like they're making good music, like there's good art coming out and then we like put them in the center and you get like RuPaul's Drag Race or whatever.
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Shane Cashman
Barack Obama.
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Tate
You get Obama. I mean, it's like it's sucks. It's like, I don't know, maybe like, I don't even know if they're happy.
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Ellie Bufkin
They may have overshot it when they realized like the 25 year old Republican man is like the punk rock version. Yeah. 25.
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Tate
Like, like the coolest gay guy in the last 30 years is like George Santos. He's like a rock star.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah. Now he's getting street cred.
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Tate
Yeah. Oh yeah. He's a gangster.
- [55:11]
Shane Cashman
Too much. Too much Time in jail.
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Tate
Yeah, sweaters is tough. Sweater is the new like. Yeah, the new like orange jumpsuit.
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Phil
All right, we're gonna jump to this next story here. Benjamin Netanyahu has decided on full occupation of the Gaza Strip reports. This is from Newsweek. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has decided that the Israeli Defense Force should push to fully occupy the besieged Gaza Strip, including operating in areas where hostages are being held, according to multiple media reports. The Prime Minister's office also conveyed a message to Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir, the army's chief of staff, saying if this does not suit him, you should resign. According to euro news and i24's diplomatic correspondent Amichai Stein. Newsweek reached out to Netanyahu's office for comment via email. On Monday, Israeli media reported that the cabinet will meet on Tuesday to come to a formal decision on the matter. The Israeli Prime Minister's report reported decision comes after months of ceasefire talks between his government and Hamas with both sides accusing each other of repeated violations. Israel has also faced increased international pressure to reach a cease fire deal as Hamas releases videos showing emaciated Israeli hostages being held in Gaza, which the group said was the result of Israel's blockade of humanitarian aid to the war torn territory. This is something that has been kind of obvious that it was going to happen. I don't know what people thought or, you know, if people thought that there was another option. Israel's not going to allow Hamas to remain as the government government. If there were an election and in Gaza, Hamas would win still. So I feel like this is, there are people that are going to be up in arms about it, but I feel like this was kind of the, the, this was going to be the obvious end result anyways. You know, Israel is going to occupy that for at least five years to a decade.
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Ellie Bufkin
Well, maybe, but I think that more importantly this is very symbolic in that it signals that there's an agreement between Netanyahu and President Trump, Trump that he will be Netanyahu and Israel will be supported in this maneuver. So there are, first of all, Hamas has unfortunately gotten quite a lot of support from the international heads of state, including Keir Starmer, including Canada, including Emmanuel Macron. And it's given them power and confidence that they can continue doing exactly what they're doing. Starmer made giving Palestine recognition contingent on Israel making changes to avoid that, made no such threats towards Hamas. Hamas can continue holding hostages, starving them, splashing that all over the media and doing whatever, whatever they're doing to subvert aid from ghf. From the UN So there's no way that Hamas is going to stop. They have no reason to. They have the enough international support that they could continue doing this forever. The sad truth is they could avoid being occupied by Israel. They could avoid being rattled by the United States. United States, by simply releasing the remaining hostages and, and stopping this. It would restore food and aid to their citizens. Everything would be fine. They won't do that because they don't actually care about their own people. And unfortunately, you're absolutely right. There is only one power, one governing power in Gaza and it is Hamas, a bona fide terrorist organization. So unfortunately, this is, this is necessary. This is exactly what needs to happen. It's not going to be pretty. You know, it's nice to read it that way. We're going to do it. We're going to get the hostage. It's going to be great. It's not going to. It's not going to look great. It's, you know, already Israel is facing this just enormous, you know, international pressure about this aid. I've never heard of, of an aggressed nation having to help the belligerent before, but that's where we are. And the United States is there too. There.
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Shane Cashman
They're.
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Ellie Bufkin
Obviously the press is terrible for them and it's not going to get a ton better with this, but unfortunately, I think that it's down to the last option and time's up. There's just no more time left.
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Shane Cashman
If the Epstein files are in Gaza, then I support it and just need to say that for Phil. I don't think either side of this war cares about their people. And I don't want our country to have anything to do with it. I'm so tired of helping other countries right now, you know?
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Phil
You know, Ireland called for the UN to possibly go into Israel to stop Israel.
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Shane Cashman
Ireland.
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Phil
Ireland, my homeland. Ireland called? Yeah. The Irish prime minister who looks. Who looks. I mean, it's like a comedy show. He looks just like a leprechaun. Like, when you see it's. It's.
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Shane Cashman
You're a bigot.
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Phil
That's fine. It's not the first time. But like, he looks. It looks like it's. It's hilarious. But they were calling for the UN to go into Israel. Who makes up the military might of the un? It's not Ireland.
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Shane Cashman
Ireland have planes and tanks?
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Phil
No.
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Tate
Also Ireland is like still larping like they're oppressed in 2025. It's like, bro, the famine was like 300 years ago.
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Ellie Bufkin
People laugh so easily. At, like, Irish people, as though they weren't committing horrible terrorist acts. And, like, just, like 30 years ago, like, it was pretty reasonable, but they.
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Phil
Weren'T doing it to us.
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Ellie Bufkin
They were blowing up members of the Royal Family and a rowboat. Like, things were really dark for a while. They're capable of a lot. That said, I don't think they have a lot of.
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Tate
Yeah.
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Ellie Bufkin
And they're like, equipment.
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Tate
Yeah. And they're doing the LARPing with, like, the Ball of Clavos and everything. I'm like, your average citizen there works at, like, Microsoft now. It's like. And you make, like, double the British salary. So it's like, all right, cool it, you know?
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Shane Cashman
Yeah.
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Tate
O' Higgins or whatever his name is.
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Phil
But still, like, the. The idea that the United States should go in again, because when you talk about the UN doing anything, what you're really saying is the United States. Because the United States is the. Is the actual muscle behind. Behind the un.
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Tate
Well, peacekeepers is not peacekeepers. The majority are from, like, the Indian subcontinent.
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Ellie Bufkin
Well, United States versus the UN is kind of a big deal, right?
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Phil
I don't think. I don't think that he was talking about peacekeepers.
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Tate
That's who. That's who they. That's the only option they would have if the UN were to intervene. And it'd be hilarious. The UN peacekeepers are, like, the most incompetent military on planet Earth. Like, people join just to settle scores.
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Ellie Bufkin
A little blueberries.
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Phil
You imagine Indians in. In Israel, like, they wouldn't be just slaughtering Jews. Like, come on.
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Tate
Like, wait for the rumble. Uncensored.
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Phil
If you, like. If you look at, like, if you. At the. I mean, isn't India where they have, like, they. They have a fond opinion of Adolf Hitler because he was fighting.
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Tate
They love. Yeah, they love Hitler, but they also love Israel. They're very complicated.
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Phil
Oh, they love Israel, too.
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Tate
Yeah.
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Phil
Oh, yeah.
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Tate
You go on Twitter and it's like. It'll be like the lion, and it's like, Israel is like a cub and then India behind it. Like, we got your back.
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Shane Cashman
What part of Twitter you are?
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Ellie Bufkin
I'm going to take this moment to do my. Do my part here as a. As a representative from the foundation for Defense of Democracies. And we defend, obviously, Israel quite a lot as. As a beleaguered democracy that they are. America first is not America alone. And I think that it's really important that we continue to recognize who our democratic allies are. We have important partners in the Middle east, but no more than Israel if we don't help Israel do everything that we can and they depend on us to do that, very obviously they will be destroyed much, much sooner than you think. And it's, it's absolutely imperative for our own homeland security, our kitchen table issues issues that we maintain the safety and security of our democratic ally in the Middle East.
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Shane Cashman
I get that. But I stopped caring about other countries at this point after.
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Ellie Bufkin
You care about the U.S. i do.
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Shane Cashman
But that is also a failed country.
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Phil
Can you, I don't think helping outline why. Can you just unpack why you, why it is that you say that it's so important for the, for Israel to be. For the US to support Israel. Because the, and the reason I say this is because there's a lot of people specifically in our, that are our viewers that aren't particularly friendly to Israel. And I think that think along the lines of Shane, that the US should not be worried about foreign countries.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah. Well, so first of all, like look at Israel on a geopolitical map that it's surrounded by seven fronts depending on the day really that want to destroy them. But before if they get through Israel, their next target is Westerners and specifically the United States, particularly, you know, Iran at this particular moment. But let's think about the flag of the Houthis down there in Yemen literally says destroy Israel and then destroy the U.S. that's their state flag. That's what it says on it. They are very serious about that. If Israel no longer exists, if we no longer have the alliance of the IDF and of the extreme might and power of that army, then we have Iran with a nuclear weapon and they will launch it at us as soon as they're able to. And they're not the only ones want.
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Phil
So what would you say that the people that, what would you say to people that would push back on that and say the only reason that they hate the United States is because the United States supports Israel?
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Ellie Bufkin
It's not.
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Phil
And if Israel were to be destroyed.
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Ellie Bufkin
They would just stop.
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Phil
They would stop.
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Ellie Bufkin
That's the Osama bin Laden thinking he was shocked when we showed up at Tora Bora and blew and started blowing up Afghanistan after 9 11. That's not how it works. It's the same kind of thinking. They stop with Israel. That you have to understand the idea we're going back to extreme ideology. Right. It's the same thing, only this is a different ideology, different book. But their, their order that they believe is that they are supposed to re usher in the caliphate and destroy all the infidels that means all the infidels. It starts with the Jews and it ends with everybody else. And that includes, by the way, moderate Muslim. Remember the first place that he attacked, the first place that Osama bin Laden went to after he attacked the United States on 911 was Saudi Arabia to start bombing Arabs because they were hosting United States oil compounds and military in the country. That, that will continue. And without, without our strategic positioning and alliance with the military might of Israel, then we will be hurt and we will be hurt at home. First of all, our interests will be destroyed immediately and they will come find us across the ocean.
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Tate
But like, from my perspective, it seems like we've backed Israel to a tee for the last 70, 80 years and our relationship with the Muslim world at large has just gotten consistently worse as every years pass by.
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Phil
Well, I'd push back on that to say that the Abraham Accords are kind of fly in the face of that.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yes. The one president who's actually done something to change that, to actually make a radical difference in the Middle east and for the better has been Donald Trump. And he really. The idea of the Abraham Accords, the implementation of the Abraham Accords towards the end of his first term was the first giant step into a brand new Middle east where there was going to be a lot more peace. Things obviously slowed down and changed and reversed over the four years following that. We're hopefully getting back to something where we can expand the Abraham Accords once again and lean into our allies and create better allies. Peace is the goal. The goal isn't just throwing money into never ending wars and people who hate us. The goal is to establish an everlasting peace in the region. And that doesn't mean nation building. It doesn't mean us going in like we did in 2003 in Iraq and starting an entire new country. That obviously was never going to work. It's got to be us understanding what works, how we can prop each other up, where we can understand each other. An ally doesn't have to be a perfect friend, but they do have to be a friend.
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Shane Cashman
My whole thing is my, I'm 40 now and my whole life, you know, when I was born, I inherited a world of forever wars. And it's been going on consistently this whole time. And I see my country just getting worse and worse. So I feel like Israel can handle its own for, for now and we can focus on our country so we can try to get the thing back up on its feet.
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Phil
So.
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Tate
And to like bounce off what he's saying too is just. I don't really know if peace in the Middle east is like, a priority for America. Americans that's. Whatsoever.
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Phil
So aside from the, aside from the United States actually attacking the, the nuclear sites in Iran, what has the US Done when it comes to Israel? Like, we've given them a ton of weapons.
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Ellie Bufkin
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Phil
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Ellie Bufkin
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Phil
We've given them weapons.
- [67:45]
Shane Cashman
Volunteer gives them their AI, helps with the AI. Lavender, which is. I've talked about that at length on the show.
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Phil
But what, when it comes to, like the, the idea of the US being actively involved in combat or in war, like, but you have to think of.
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Shane Cashman
War is different, though. War is not going to be the way we think of war from the past. War now is sending you everything we got. You know, our, our missiles, signing our rockets and sending them over there. You know, like that to me is an issue when we should be like, we're sending war rockets to Ukraine. We're sending war and rockets to Israel. Well, we're funding both sides to some of these wars forever. And I just see our country suffering deeply and we're in debt. They're asking us to pay them through PayPal and Venmo. I'm like, how can we be stretching ourselves so, so thin? And I understand the idea of having an ally, but it's, it's been our ally for so many years. And this threat of Iran going to bomb us, it just doesn't seem to come to fruition. It always seems to be like a boogeyman. You know, I think they've been saying, death to America forever. I understand that. I don't like it, but I also understand why they're saying it because we also destroyed their country, you know, many years ago with Kermit Roosevelt going in there and subverting their entire country. So I understand. I don't like it, but I understand why they say it. I honestly, my opinion, I don't think they are going to do anything. And I also think they've had nukes for longer than we've probably willing to admit.
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Tate
We have other adversaries with nuclear weapons as well. Like this wouldn't be the first adversary.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, but we don't have another adversary that's going to hit the red button the second that it's ready to fire.
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Phil
And also the re. The, the, the own, the United States States preventing Iran from getting nukes isn't just about Iran. Saudi Arabia doesn't want Iran to have nukes any more than Israel does. Yeah, and, and so it doesn't.
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Tate
I mean, that's there, that's there because it's like what would the incentive possibly be for Iran to nuke the United States?
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Phil
But it's so, so end of Iran.
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Ellie Bufkin
They don't care. That's the difference. Like ussr I'm sorry, Russia cares. Russia doesn't want to be destroyed. And whatever, like Medvedev said. Then the Kremlin came back out and said, never mind. We actually don't want thermonuclear war here. Like, please don't reposition your new. You know, your. But that's not the case with Iran. Iran understands this in a very ideological way. And these guys really believe this. This isn't just something that they push out there for the press, for pr. Be like, oh, we're very religious, we're clerics. They really actually believe this and they actually believe that it's worth them firing a nuclear weapon at the enemies with the threat of American might coming at them if they're doing what they believe is the will of Allah. What they're supposed to be doing. Doing. That's, that's what is so terrifying about a nation like Iran happens.
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Phil
Gen Z really doesn't have this. Have a sense. And I feel like Gen Z believes things in a similar fashion to the way that Gen X believed them before 9, 11, like we heard about, you know, I'm, I'm 50 years old, so I'm Gen X. Right. And I heard about, you know, religious fundamentalism and I knew about the first attack on the World Trade Center, Ramsey Yousef in 1993. And they were, you know, they did it for religious reasons. We didn't really believe that they believed the things they do believe. And this is an argument that I have. Hold on. This is an argument that I have with, with Ian Mo that I've had multiple times. Ian, his opinion is people are just people and they're all the same. And that's not true. And the p. The way that Gen X believed about the, what Gen X believed about Islamic fundamentalism is what Gen Z believes about Islamic fundamentalism. Now they don't believe. They actually believe it, and they really, really believe it.
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Tate
This isn't. I'm not making an argument about Islam, because if it comes to Islamophobia, no one's more Islamophobic than me, trust me. The problem. This is. The problem, though, is there's millions and millions of Muslims pouring into Europe and America. So it's like, that should be. If we're trying to go to war with the Muslim world and Islam at large, Iran's the least of my worries. I'm worried about the millions of Muslims that are pouring into France and Germany and the United States, the United Kingdom. It's like Iran. It just feels like we're shifting on the, you know, chairs on the Titanic.
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Ellie Bufkin
I think that's a really fair point. I mean, you should be worried about that. And, like. And that's not really an Islamic claudic point.
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Tate
The point is that it is for me.
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Ellie Bufkin
The point is that, you know, these immigration problems. And fortunately, despite what's happened over the last four years, with our border being completely open, these countries in Europe are facing something that's catastrophic. Especially France, especially the United Kingdom, where there's literally parts of the country that you just can't even go to anymore. And it's not because they're Muslim. It's because they're literally extremists. And they were told that it's not a right, it's not a privilege. You deserved this. Like, you are born with the right to live wherever you want to live, and you have no reason to assimilate. You don't have to be French. You don't have to be British. You can just be extremists. I mean, Those guys, the 77 Bombers, were born in the United Kingdom. I mean, this is not just. It started with an immigration issue, but it also became. It's from this whole. Whole push of, like, Marxism leftism, where we don't want to tell anybody that they're not us. Like, you don't have to be like us because, oh, you know, everybody's okay. It's like. But actually, that's the problem. When people don't want your culture, they will destroy it to bring in their own culture.
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Shane Cashman
And I guess another issue I have is how you would define an ally, because I understand the barbarism of some of these other countries, but Israel is also barbaric in their own way, in a modern way, where they spy on us. They've done. They've been caught spying on us. Like, I think that's not good. Not a friend and if, if Netanyahu were governing everybody. Yeah, I know. I don't like it. And if Netanyahu were a governor in this country, we would chastise him like we chastise Cuomo or Hochul or Newsom because he was as deranged and barbaric with the vaccine during lockdowns as they were. And I just think that's completely anti.
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Ellie Bufkin
Democratic as I kind of going back to like to be an ally doesn't mean you have to be a perfect friend. You just have to be a friend. And certainly we can criticize the politics of Israel. They're very leftist in many, many ways. But the fact of the matter is they are still a real democracy in a place where that just isn't a thing. And that's very important. You know, again, we can tear down Netanyahu, we can tear down their Covid positions, we can tear down the fact that they have like the largest, you know, gay pride parade. Whatever you want to do, that's fine. I don't need to live there. I don't. I just need to know that I'm safe at home because that country is safe and because their military is in place place. And that requires us support both financially and physically.
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Shane Cashman
I hear you. I just don't feel like them. Their safety equals our safety here.
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Phil
So I mean, enough about. Well, not enough, but like back to the kind of the point of it. The, the idea that. Or the what we started with the, the idea of Israel governing the. The Gaza Strip. That was the situation up until 2005. Was it when they pulled out. Out, right, yeah, 2006. Yeah. So the. Israel was the governing authority and they pulled. Not only did they pull the military out, but they pulled actual Jewish people that had homes in the Gaza Strip. They pulled them out completely. And that was the beginning of essentially 20 years of rockets into Israel. 20 years of. There were suicide bombings for a while. They. Those chilled out in the past. Past, you know, the past, I guess, 10 years or so. But there was there that was the. Was the, the first intifada was. It was. That was the second intifada is, is in 2006. Is when that started, right?
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Ellie Bufkin
Yes.
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Phil
Yeah. So it like this kind of the idea that, that Israel would go back to that after 20 years of rockets, 20 years of, of terrorist attacks and then October 7th. I mean, was there a sense from anyone that. That. That Gaza was going to be governed by the Palestinians again?
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, I think that was the hope. I mean, I think that a lot of this, like, ceasefire Talk early on was that this wasn't going to be necessary, you know, that Hamas would be like, okay, you've killed enough of us. Like, we're done. Here's your hostages back. We're really sorry about October 7th. Like, please leave us alone. I think that that was at some point, like a true hope that. And then we would give power back to the Gazans to like, bring somebody else in besides Hamas.
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Phil
I mean, there was talk of the Palestinian. The PL or the Palestinian Authority in the west bank, but, like, they don't have a whole lot of power.
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Ellie Bufkin
Oh, no.
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Phil
If I understand correctly, they get murdered by the Palestinians on the regular chance.
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Ellie Bufkin
Of any kind of like, fair install installment of power in Gaza right now. I mean, it's just, I mean, so at this point, time's up. What's the alternative? There isn't one. I mean, either that or we just let. I mean, Israel just lays down and says, all right, kill the rest of the hostages and just keep bombing us. I guess, I mean. And that's the only other choice.
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Phil
I mean, yeah, I guess. I guess so. I, like I said, I kind of figured that that was going to be the situation because, you know, they had allowed the, The Gazans to. Or the Palestinians to. To. To be the authority there. And you got a terrorist organization in, Charles.
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Ellie Bufkin
I think they really hoped that it was going to work out that first time, and it just, you know, clearly didn't.
- [76:48]
Tate
Yeah, they, they underestimated the IQ rankings in Gaza. Fortunately, it's like 80. Yeah. Like, the West bank in Gaza is like two completely different stock of. I could go into that at length, but in short. Yeah. When the split happened, the west bank kept a lot of the academics and there's like a sizable Christian population, or there was a sizable Christian population. And then Gaza, unfortunately, with what happened, the stock there is not built for democracy by any stretch of the imagination. They're built for fighting, which is, you know, that's how a lot of the world is. And it is what it is. You can't blanket democracy across the entire world.
- [77:23]
Ellie Bufkin
It truly is amazing to me, like, having just recently, like, been in a car driving from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, like, it is a very small country. When you look at the small country and then you look at how small the Gaza Strip is, and just its ability to produce this level of violence and disruption to the world is truly remarkable.
- [77:44]
Tate
Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, that's kind of the big problem is there's no partner for peace, so to speak. I mean, you also look at it from the Palestinian perspective of like. Like, if you had this territory for 2,000 years or whatnot, and then people rolled up, backed by colonial powers and created a country there, you'd probably get radicalized too. But that's not a justification, obviously, for holding hostages or killing innocent civilians.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, no, and that's not even really what I mean. Yes, they use that term like settlers, but most of this, the extremism begets. Extremism begets extremism.
- [78:16]
Tate
Right, yeah, yeah. I'm not like, it didn't even start not endorsing that view.
- [78:18]
Ellie Bufkin
They just, like, that was actually like a recent, like a adoption that they were like, you know what, we were here first.
- [78:23]
Tate
Yeah, yeah. I'm not endorsing before that.
- [78:25]
Ellie Bufkin
It was about like the infidel. Like, it is really more about, you know, like these extreme philosophers of Islamism, like, you know, Saeed Kutb from Egypt, who were like, basically just everything anti Islamist is evil and wrong. And that's where this all started. And now it's like, oh, the settlers.
- [78:43]
Tate
But when was outside of Europe, like.
- [78:45]
Ellie Bufkin
That guy was like, born in the 20s. I mean, he started. But these are the books that they read. I mean, these are the philosophies that they live by.
- [78:51]
Tate
I mean, because outside of Europe and so like 150, 200 years ago, nationalism wasn't even really a consideration anywhere, broadly speaking, out of, like, the Far East. So we've tried to export. Well, I don't know if we tried, but we've exported a method of conceptualizing a nation that doesn't come inherently to.
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Phil
It was all about tribalism. So it was tribalism then?
- [79:10]
Tate
Yeah, to a degree. I mean, I don't know the intricacies of Palestinian anthropology in the 1500s, but the way the Ottomans governed is. It was very tribal. They kind of just.
- [79:19]
Phil
Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, so. So you're talking about nationalism in the Middle east, right?
- [79:22]
Tate
Yeah, yeah. So it's like. I mean, the way that those societies were structured was not how they are now, where it's like a European sense. We have a flag. You pledge allegiance to that flag, you have an anthem, you go to the Olympics. That's a very modern. That's a very modern way of conceptualizing a nation. Conceptualizing a nation in and of itself is a modern Right.
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Ellie Bufkin
Ironically, a really good example of a nationalized Arab country was Iraq in 2003.
- [79:46]
Tate
Yeah, yeah, true. Yeah.
- [79:49]
Phil
So, all right, we're going to jump to this story here from the Post Millennial, the New York Post, to Expand west, launch California Post in early 2026. The New York Post is heading to the west coast and would be launching the California Post in early 2026. Robert Thompson, CEO of the outlet's parent company, News Corp, said in a statement. Los Angeles and California surely need a daily dose of the Post as an antidote to the jade, jaundice, jaded journalism that is sadly prol. We are a pivotal. We are at a pivotal moment for the city and the state. There is no doubt that the Post will play a crucial role in engaging and enlightening readers who are starved for serious reporting and puckish wit. I think this will be great because the New York Post has the most wonderful headlines. And to see them coming from not only the New York Post, but from the California Post, I think it'd be great. Great. What do you guys think?
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Ellie Bufkin
I agree. I wish I had something to push back on, but I've been excited about this all day. Yeah, I'm surprised it took them this long, but it really shows, like, how much the market for this has grown on the West Coast. There are very. The amount of people fed up on the west coast is at a. Is at a fever pitch. And again, I think that a lot of people are just kind of stuck there, like, they can't move, you know, across the country, and so they don't. And I think that, you know, they have put up with a lot. I mean, especially, you know, the crime stuff. Stuff that. No jail sentences, like, putting people out with no bail and that kind of thing. It's just nuts. People getting their houses broken into in Beverly Hills and, and then this, you know, big white tooth fooled Gavin Newsom, you know, going around.
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Tate
I mean, yeah, if we thought the New York Post headlines are good, wait till they get access to like, oh, to California.
- [81:36]
Ellie Bufkin
Oh, yeah, these headlines would be good.
- [81:38]
Tate
Yeah, they're going to erewhon. They're just like shooting downtown la.
- [81:42]
Ellie Bufkin
They've got Skid Row up there on the front page.
- [81:45]
Shane Cashman
It said they're actually going to try to do Mars as well. So you might get headlines from Mars.
- [81:49]
Phil
New York. The Mars Post.
- [81:52]
Tate
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I, I'm here for it. I think that'll be, that'll be nice.
- [81:56]
Phil
I mean, is, is this, is this a comment on the state of publishing out of the state of California? Or is this, you know, is the, is the market calling for this? Or do you think that the Post is just kind of, of jumping in saying, hey, I think we can get some more journalism here?
- [82:12]
Shane Cashman
I think there's A big restructuring happening right now of publishing. Publishing's dying, dead maybe. And it's trying to find its way back. We're seeing like Larry Ellison's son trying to buy the free press for $250 million.
- [82:24]
Phil
Was it really?
- [82:24]
Shane Cashman
I seen Tim Dillon talking about that yesterday. It was hilarious. But it doesn't, you know, people are trying to make moves in media and they should. I mean, it's important. The. I just hope they don't use AI writers. I hope that post doesn't embrace because you know what's going to happen. How many articles have you read that are. That are AI?
- [82:40]
Phil
I'm sure, I'm sure that you've. You've read plenty of them. I know I have.
- [82:44]
Shane Cashman
And they're terrible.
- [82:45]
Phil
I bet you've read some great ones that you don't even know.
- [82:47]
Shane Cashman
I'm sure there are. I'm sure because I'm looking at like, you know, terrible little articles that are.
- [82:51]
Tate
Three paragraphs because it opens up with, sure. Here's an article about.
- [82:54]
Shane Cashman
Yes.
- [82:55]
Phil
I don't know whose opinion on AI I find more objectionable. Yours or Elads. At least you have a, a healthy fear of it. Whereas a lot thinks that it's just a gimmick. A lot's like, ah, it's just, just like the dot com bubble. It's like, yeah, the dot com bubble was a bubble, but like the Internet was. Is still here and it's a good thing. So like there was substance to it.
- [83:16]
Shane Cashman
I don't know if it's going to be as apocalyptic as I initially thought, but it's going to be bad.
- [83:21]
Phil
Yeah.
- [83:22]
Shane Cashman
I think, like, I do agree with a lot saying they're good at branding.
- [83:25]
Phil
Okay.
- [83:25]
Shane Cashman
The AI people are very good at branding.
- [83:27]
Ellie Bufkin
Yeah.
- [83:27]
Shane Cashman
But we're seeing people losing their jobs to AI.
- [83:31]
Phil
Yeah.
- [83:31]
Shane Cashman
And it's definitely going to come for publishing. So hopefully not because I see like there's a veteran reporter, you know, working on this and hopefully they actually have human.
- [83:38]
Phil
Veteran reporter.
- [83:38]
Shane Cashman
R2D2 auto pen.
- [83:41]
Tate
Yeah. The interesting thing too is it's not that like there's a lot of new publications, like there still is an appetite for digital media. It's the fact that they're trying print.
- [83:48]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [83:49]
Tate
I'm like, oh man, there's someone here that really.
- [83:52]
Ellie Bufkin
They do it in New York and they do it successfully. You know, I wrote an op ed in the Post maybe three or four months ago and I sent friends out because I wasn't in New York and I sent friends out to go get me some copies to save. And like they couldn't find them, like really like sold out, I'm sure because of my opponent.
- [84:08]
Phil
Of course it was.
- [84:09]
Ellie Bufkin
But, but it's amazing. Like people, it's almost like, you know, novelty or something. I think people like enjoy it having the, the smell of the ink and the paper.
- [84:17]
Tate
I had to go to like eight different bodegas when the Trump mug shot came out.
- [84:21]
Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, well, that I understand.
- [84:22]
Tate
Yeah, that like, it's like it, it is kind of turning into a bit.
- [84:26]
Shane Cashman
Of a, I think Prince having a thing right now. Like, I love the county highway. You know about this Walter Kearns Publishing. It's a newspaper and you can only get it as a newspaper. It's not online. And it's amazing. You know, I, I had a story in there a year ago, but you get it in the mail. It's just amazing. I have a paper, beautiful written stories and it's incredible. I think comes out every two months. But I see that happen. They're like on a countrywide tour right now with the paper. It's incredible. I see other people trying to do that.
- [84:50]
Tate
Yeah, yeah. There's like a bunch of these like lifters on Twitter that have like rebuilt the Man's World magazine and it's amazing. Yeah, they sent out a big glossy Man's World magazine like every three months. And then the op EDS are just written by like full blown like schizophrenics on Twitter now.
- [85:06]
Shane Cashman
I want this. Yeah, yeah.
- [85:08]
Tate
But it's like really awkward when you're coffee table because it'll be like nudity on the COVID It's like this. It's. It's actually much more hard to explain. This is porn. Reality is much more complicated.
- [85:19]
Phil
Not porn.
- [85:20]
Ellie Bufkin
Don't read the article. No, I mean, I think, I don't know like how much copy matters. And we're talking about like AI inside of this thing. Like it's the headlines. Right. And I think that the fact, the fact that the stories are being written is more important than the way they're written these days. And I think that they've identified that at the New York Post and they're doing very well with that.
- [85:39]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Do you think they have a lot of AI writers right now?
- [85:42]
Ellie Bufkin
I don't know. I wouldn't accuse them of that. I think that's, that's low down dirty. So, you know, who knows? They're cheap.
- [85:48]
Tate
So you know what papers do use AI.
- [85:51]
Shane Cashman
Let's single them out right now.
- [85:53]
Ellie Bufkin
I do know the AI flags now because I just, I like looked them up. I actually asked AI what the AI flags are. Yeah.
- [85:59]
Tate
Throws you off. It's like, yeah, double dash.
- [86:02]
Ellie Bufkin
Isn't that like a double dash is a big one? Which actually stinks for me because I actually love the double.
- [86:06]
Shane Cashman
I, I use the M dash all the time. I love the EM dash. And I don't think that sometimes a.
- [86:12]
Ellie Bufkin
Comma isn't a problem.
- [86:12]
Phil
They're coming after you.
- [86:13]
Shane Cashman
They are coming after me. I've been feeding it.
- [86:15]
Phil
Yeah.
- [86:16]
Shane Cashman
If you use the M dash, the, the AI is using a. Cuz we use the M dash.
- [86:20]
Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, exactly. Style. So it would sound real.
- [86:23]
Tate
I think the zoomers have found the workaround because there's particular emojis that you use in a certain context that AI can. Because it doesn't have a soul, it could just never really figure out entirely. So like most journalists, like when I just tastefully drop like a, like a crying emoji on the end of it, it's like if you, if you're a human being, you know what that means. And AI can never truly unlock that, the meaning of that. There's a deeper. It's deep, It's. Yeah, it's actually really deep. Phil, you should be in tears right now.
- [86:47]
Phil
The Post Millennial went on to say, as the Post is expanding its reach, other outlets have had to cut back. CNN laid off hundreds of employees in January, and in June, the company was reportedly expecting additional layoffs on the horizon as parent company Warner Brothers Discovery announced its corporate breakup. Other outlets such as Vox Media Media, HuffPost and NBC News, have seen layoffs in recent months. So this is something that it is actually surprising that the, you know, the, the Times is going to be expanding in an. Or the. I'm sorry, the Post is going to be expanding in an age when clearly there isn't really an appetite for at least the, the legacy news. Right. You know, I mean, if cnn. Do you think that this is a symptom of, of people not having an appetite for the legacy news? Or do you think that it's the news that those outlets were going, were providing? Do you think that people are sick and tired of the, the left leaning bent on it?
- [87:42]
Ellie Bufkin
I think it's. I don't even think it's that. I think that we're, we're almost giving them too much credit there. I think that one of the things, like I have a TV in my office. I watch it constantly because my job is putting people on TV to talk about stuff. And so I'm just seeing like what stories are being covered what's going on. And I watch Fox a lot. You know, I know Fox and I, you know, I understand their system, but, but I flip back and forth to like, other channels and you know, I'm, I'm not getting news. Like, that's the problem. Like, I want actual news. And I understand it's an opinion. There's never been like unbiased journalism that's like a myth. But then it's like, you know, CNN is, is so, you know, they're very emotional about whatever's happening. And it's like there's big news happening and I like, want to hear about this hurricane and like, I can't get it. And it's, you know, I'm not trying to, you know, I appreciate my, the work we do at cnn, but I do know that they came in behind Hallmark and HGTV in the last ad week ratings report. So they're clearly doing, you know, they're clearly not doing something right. They used to be the name in 247 news. You know, that was, if you wanted to know what's going on, you turn on cnn and they have really lost that connection.
- [88:50]
Tate
Lost the airports too.
- [88:51]
Ellie Bufkin
They lost the airports. I mean, that should have been the death now, right? And I, you know, I wish them well. I really hope, I think just like, you know, I, I, I hope that the Democratic Party gets their act together because I think that we are stronger when we have two strong political parties working against you. I, I think get there.
- [89:07]
Phil
By get their act together, do you mean stop pushing for socialism? Yes, I, I focus more on like.
- [89:13]
Ellie Bufkin
That they become a real competitor. I feel like, first of all, you know, conservatives get soft when they don't have, have an adversary that's actually, you know, up to snuff. But the same thing with media. I think that everybody's better when they have actual, you know, competition. Everybody has to do their best. Everybody has to like, find that footing in the news and continue getting new viewers and, and finding new audiences. And, you know, so it's, it's not what you want to see. The other thing is speaking specifically about like, cable news. People are cutting cords. You can't stop that, that nobody's getting cable back once they, once they lose it. So if you can't figure out what your like, streaming option is or how people are going to get your product without having a cable subscription, then you're already way behind.
- [89:56]
Shane Cashman
And the last election showed that podcasts and sub stacks and personal indie media dominated. These guys dominated. That's why Trump and Vance use those platforms to help get elected smartly. And Kamala failed at that. She might have paid call whatever, Call her Dad Daddy podcast for a whole fake set that didn't work. They hardly got the. Like. Trump's numbers on the Rogan podcast are insane.
- [90:18]
Ellie Bufkin
Insane.
- [90:18]
Shane Cashman
And her numbers on. On the Call Me Daddy, whatever it's called is, I think they didn't break a million. Maybe they did by now, but I'll.
- [90:26]
Ellie Bufkin
Never forget the guy who. Who ditched her interview because she said bacon was a spice. And he was so offended by the hot take. It was a hot take guy like, yeah, hilarious. And he just canceled it. It was like the presidential candidate.
- [90:37]
Shane Cashman
Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I do remember that.
- [90:38]
Tate
It's that bad. Yeah. The competition thing is really slept on too, cuz, like, that's the reason late night sucks so much now. Cuz, like, Colbert got canceled. They're all showing up like, we stand with you, Steve. It's like back in the day, Leno would have like, killed Letterman if he had the opportunity.
- [90:51]
Shane Cashman
For sure. For sure.
- [90:53]
Phil
Yep.
- [90:53]
Tate
They would have, like hired a hit on him if he like, jumped him in ratings. Bring that back.
- [90:57]
Ellie Bufkin
Like, all you had to do is be funny. Like, oh, we stand with you. It's like, oh, we're brave. It's like, this is a late night comedy show. Like, this is not about, like, like, who's bravest. Yeah, I don't need to turn on, like, late night comedy show to get, you know, my political opinion.
- [91:09]
Phil
And there's nothing brave about doing a tv.
- [91:12]
Ellie Bufkin
There was something lazy about not writing jokes, however.
- [91:14]
Tate
That's why there's no competition, because they're not. There's no competition anywhere. Like, you go watch the gymnastics now and they're like friends and hugging each other like they used to snap legs again on stage back in the day. And now.
- [91:22]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [91:23]
Tate
What are we doing now? We're all on the same team.
- [91:25]
Shane Cashman
Bring back Nancy Carrier.
- [91:26]
Tate
Yeah.
- [91:27]
Shane Cashman
Bring back a little Kanye Harding days.
- [91:28]
Tate
Yeah, we're not on the same team.
- [91:29]
Phil
That's why the UFC Wheaties box has such a great ratings, because it's actual competition. They actually 100. Even. Even the guys that, like, you know, there are some guys that, you know, show each other respect and stuff like that, but, you know, they're still trying to punch the other person's face off their head.
- [91:45]
Tate
Yeah.
- [91:46]
Phil
You know.
- [91:46]
Tate
Yeah.
- [91:47]
Phil
And I think you see it the same thing in, like, you know, in football and in some sports, you know, wnba. Yeah, the W. Well, there's only a couple Girls that get attacked in the wnba. Yeah. But when it comes, you know, when it comes to at least mostly men's sports, it's actual competition. But even still, like in, you know, the, the regular NBA, the, the viewership is down.
- [92:11]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [92:12]
Phil
I assume that it's the same with the NFL, but the, the super bowl was, was really well viewed like last year. It was, it was still a big deal. So it's not, you know, ubiquitous. But yeah, I think that the, the fact that there's, there's a whole lot of Kumbaya and in everything is, is, is actually detrimental to people that are viewers because viewers want to see that competition. They. And they want it to be real. They don't want it to be manufactured. So.
- [92:39]
Tate
Yeah, it's very sad.
- [92:40]
Ellie Bufkin
Yeah. Also, I want more segments where like, people disagree with each other. Like, I, I feel like that's fine and people are, I don't know. I didn't really book a lot of people. You know, I used to book on Fox. I didn't really book a lot of people that were like. Now, first of all, we did try to book some people that absolutely just wouldn't have anything to do, do with our network or our show. So there was that problem as well. But you know, I think putting together like the, you know, this person has this opinion and this one has the opposite. It doesn't have to be a bloodbath. Like, it can just be like a civil conversation.
- [93:06]
Phil
I mean, these were.
- [93:07]
Tate
The YouTube shows have like picked up that entire market. You had like, what, Crossfire back in the day.
- [93:11]
Phil
Oh, yeah.
- [93:12]
Tate
Now it's the culture war on with Tim Pool.
- [93:14]
Phil
Like, look at Pierce Morgan or Pierce. Pierce Morgan. I mean, that is one step away from Jerry Springer. Right? They're not in the same, they're not in the same building, so they can't throw chairs at each other. But they should. It would be kind of fun. But they, but, but legitimately, like the, the culture war with Tim, you know, Tim's culture war. But even around this table, like, we don't all agree on everything. I mean, me and Shane will go back and forth, you know, on the moon, anything. At least we agree the moon is there.
- [93:40]
Shane Cashman
There we go. That's fair. That's fair.
- [93:43]
Phil
We agree that the moon is there. What the moon is that, that's where we. The difference comes in.
- [93:47]
Shane Cashman
But you can tune into Inverted World live, live tonight at 10 o' clock to find out.
- [93:52]
Phil
You're gonna find out what the moon is.
- [93:53]
Tate
Yeah, we're gonna debunking Them.
- [93:54]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, I'm gonna, I have, I'm gonna pull it up on Wikipedia tonight.
- [93:59]
Phil
Great.
- [93:59]
Shane Cashman
It's my source of information.
- [94:01]
Phil
Wikipedia, that's great news.
- [94:04]
Ellie Bufkin
I'm afraid to ask a little bit.
- [94:07]
Phil
I think the moon is actually a ball of rock that probably originated with the, with Earth. Something smashed into the earth. Whereas I think Shane thinks it's hollow.
- [94:18]
Shane Cashman
I, I don't really know. Okay. I think it could be a mothership for an ancient breakaway civilization. I, I, I think Earth is only over a little over 6,000 years old, so.
- [94:27]
Phil
6,000, okay.
- [94:28]
Shane Cashman
Well, yeah, I mean, God made Earth in a day, you know. Oh, you know, in seven days. So I stick with that. I'm a Bible thumper, technically.
- [94:36]
Phil
He made Earth in a day.
- [94:37]
Shane Cashman
Well, Earth, but like, there was seven days there in creation.
- [94:39]
Phil
All the other stuff came.
- [94:41]
Ellie Bufkin
One was arrested.
- [94:42]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, that's right. And there's people who disagree on what a day means and all that stuff, but I'm, I'm pretty strict now in my mind with 6,000, a little over 6,000. Okay. So the moon being a rock that hits Earth millions of years ago is just all made up to me.
- [94:55]
Phil
Okay.
- [94:55]
Shane Cashman
Big time.
- [94:56]
Phil
So we disagree.
- [94:57]
Shane Cashman
There you go.
- [94:59]
Phil
But he'll, he'll. We're cool. Yeah, we can get along. We can get along. Yeah.
- [95:03]
Shane Cashman
We don't need a moon.
- [95:04]
Phil
We don't, we don't need, we don't need to agree on the moon. All right, let's see. We got one more last bit here. Al, just for, for, for laughs, for, for shits and giggles. We're going to go to a video that Alex Stein put up. He was hazing msnbc and it is absolutely wonderful. So you guys will enjoy this.
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Tate
We just watched the speaker gavel out.
- [95:26]
Phil
With a whole lot of anger.
- [95:27]
Tate
Kelly, here's the state of play.
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Ellie Bufkin
Here's the.
- [95:31]
Phil
How are you? Msnbc. Can I talk to you for a second?
- [95:34]
Tate
Msnbc.
- [95:36]
Shane Cashman
Can I talk to you for a second?
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Ellie Bufkin
Sometimes this happens and we understand that that can happen. And while we love free speech, we're going to keep control here. So, Ryan, thank you, Shaq. Thank you. A volatile story. We'll be following it. And apparently not only Shaq cleaned up. Okay, stay with us here because Ryan, Ryan has cleared the set, as we would like to say. The gentleman moved on. So, Ryan, let me turn back to you. Nicely handled there. Can you give us an update on. As you were walking us through this, we'll all take a breath there. Go ahead, Ryan.
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Phil
See, hold on one second.
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Ellie Bufkin
Okay, we're just gonna Pull the plug there. Thank you, Ryan.
- [96:28]
Phil
Playing out in real time is high there. There's a whole lot of. Of anger here, as you can see.
- [96:35]
Ellie Bufkin
So we're.
- [96:35]
Shane Cashman
We're going to get cut to more this and come back to you when we can.
- [96:38]
Ellie Bufkin
Fair enough. Fair enough. And we recognize people are expressing their views, and we're there to cover it. You do that job, we'll move on with our audience.
- [96:45]
Phil
Thanks for your patience.
- [96:46]
Shane Cashman
I wish Alex ran really quick to the other screen.
- [96:49]
Phil
He's just lamp. He's just lampooning you guys.
- [96:54]
Tate
She's, like, so smug about being diplomatic all day. You know, mop up.
- [96:59]
Ellie Bufkin
I think my number one comment, like, having been someone who worked in a control room for a long time, is that she handled it very badly. I mean, just like, very heckish.
- [97:07]
Shane Cashman
We believe in free speech.
- [97:09]
Tate
Get rid of that.
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Phil
We're in control.
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Ellie Bufkin
I don't know if that was, like, a miscommunication with her in the control room, but also the fact that, you know, there was not enough people standing around there on air talent to stop him from being harassed on air is pretty sad too.
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Tate
I just like, the guy was like, this is my mom moment.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah.
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Tate
He's like, oh, we're cutting away. No, we're not. Actually. Here's what's going on.
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Ellie Bufkin
Here's the situation, the comedic timing. Like, speaking of, you know, jokes are hard to write, but. But he nailed it with that. It was great. Yeah.
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Tate
Yeah.
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Phil
All right, we're gonna go to your super chat. So smash the like button, share the show with all your friends, head over to timcast.com, become a member so you can join us on our discord and head over to rumble.com where you can join and watch our after show, which we'll be going to in about 30 or so minutes. But for right now, we are going to read your super chats. Let's see. Peter go. Hawk says, since the left likes to change definitions, can we change the meaning of they them to fat or ugly mentally unstable person? I mean, we can try. I don't know that it's going to stick. Sick, but we can try. Let me see here. Oh, wait, that was the wrong button. There we go. Okay, let's see. Rage. LB says take cast is best cast. You've got fan tape.
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Tate
Let's go, fans. Dude, my mom's gonna be stoked.
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Phil
You are. You are stellar. You're great at your job, Tate, so. And they want to let you know.
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Tate
Unless they're talking about a different tape. Do you know how Hard it is to be named Tate in the Andrew Tate era. Because I get on Twitter and they're like, is he's a child trafficker? He's the worst person ever. I'm like, what did I do? And then I'm like, oh, that guy. Yeah, I forgot my van.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah.
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Phil
You know, sad stuff. Let's see.
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Tate
Thank you.
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Phil
What's this bh? Is that what is BH Says. Hi, team. Would you consider each interviewing either Joel, Jamal, or Craig Kelly from Australia to talk about the beginning of social credit scores, what they call under 16 basis? Tim had a bad take a few days ago. Look, man, everybody has a take that you're gonna call bad at some point. But I. I don't. I don't think we would be avert to interviewing him. But that's. It's not a question that I'm actually in a position to answer.
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Tate
So we don't even. We don't call them bad takes. Somewhere they're called L takes. It's an update to the vocabulary.
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Phil
Okay.
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Tate
With the program, Tim only has W take, so I don't want to blame. Believe that.
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Phil
Let's see. Oh, that. Now they disappeared. No rants. What's up? Rumble.
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Tate
I think the. The rants.
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Phil
Let's see.
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Tate
Let's go this way.
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Phil
All right. Robert Bradbury says we shouldn't arrest them, we shouldn't kick them out. If they don't show up, their vote should be considered a no vote. Well, are you talking. I assume you're talking about in Texas. Texas. And, I mean, that's not a bad idea, right?
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, I think most actual state legislatures do work that way, but unfortunately, Texas's constitution is not written that way.
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Phil
So a Lone star state, like, yeah.
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Ellie Bufkin
There'S gonna have to be some more work to get to that point. I agree strongly. I think if you abscond, then you've cast your vote, like, that's it.
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Tate
They literally ask for this to happen because of the way it's structured. Like you said, like, they don't even have, like, a mechanism for. I don't. I probably need to read why. Why this is the case, but it's ridiculous. And then the fact that the floor is two thirds. You're just, like, asking for this to happen. I just vacate the seats. Like, you don't even need to arrest him. Yeah, just vacate them.
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Phil
I think that's a great idea that, like, you know, Abbott should just say, okay, you're all fired.
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Tate
Yeah, we'll get people, spend a bunch of money on the election. Like, It'd be great. Yeah.
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Phil
Yep.
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Ellie Bufkin
I mean, it's truly despicable. I mean, to be elected to these positions and then to behave this way.
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Tate
Yeah.
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Ellie Bufkin
You know, and, and what. How is this serving the people of Texas?
- [101:06]
Tate
Right.
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Ellie Bufkin
You know.
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Tate
Yeah. They're just trying to score brownie points with.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah. Flying off to other states. You know, there's nothing to do.
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Tate
And if you're gonna at least go to somewhere nice, Illinois, I mean, I'd be offended as a constituent. I'm like, you think Illinois is better than, you know, Galveston? What are we doing here?
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Ellie Bufkin
I dare you to move there.
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Tate
If they're in Hawaii, it'd be like, well, you know, I mean, get it. I guess.
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Ellie Bufkin
I mean.
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Phil
Well, I mean, Illinois or. Or New York. Both of them should. Yeah.
- [101:26]
Tate
What do you go hang out in Rochester? Is that big protest tip C. They're.
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Phil
Gonna go to the chants.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah. Shout out to the.
- [101:32]
Phil
Check out some shows of the chance. Get kicked in the face.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah. I've had some friends had broken noses.
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Phil
I've been kicked in the head in that chance.
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Shane Cashman
During Converge, head walking will commence during the saddest day. On that note, I'm gonna head out to my show.
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Phil
All right.
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Shane Cashman
Thank you guys so much. Hey, that was fun, dude. See you guys.
- [101:50]
Phil
Love you.
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Shane Cashman
Till next time. Inverted world live tonight, 10:00pm that's we're PM right now. Right. We'll be live till midnight taking phone calls. Phone lines will be open at 10:30. If you got a weird story, give us a call and we're going to talk about a blob moving towards.
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Phil
Figure out what's going on with that.
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Shane Cashman
Moon in the moon. I'll tell you guys about the moon.
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Phil
Let me know.
- [102:07]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, see you guys see it.
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Phil
All right, let's see. James Weidenhoft says uncap the House and restore the limit of no more than 30k constituents per US rep. This would result no more jurymanders and no more need for massive campaign funds. All you will do is talk to your neighbors and get elected. Well, I don't know if that's actually what would happen. It sounds good in theory, but I don't know that you. That it would be good to have thousands of House members. Because if it's 30,000.
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Tate
Yeah.
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Phil
You know, 30,000 people, you would have like.
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Tate
Would be a hundred thousand.
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Phil
Yeah, it'd be like something like. It would literally look like the Senate in Star. In Star Wars. You know, those, those.
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Tate
That's the reason. Whatever I remember from government classes, the reason we landed on the number we did is because that's as many desks we could possibly fit in there.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah. It's almost annoying sometimes to go back and, like, realize the wisdom of our founding fathers. Like, you know, it's like, that is frustrating that they came up with that, but it makes sense.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah.
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Phil
Yeah. I mean, one of the things that people. I understand people's frustration with the government. Right. Like, there's the argument, oh, nothing ever gets done, etc. Etc. And a lot of people don't realize that that's actually by design, you know, or they forget that that's by design. Everyone says they don't like Congress except for their own congressperson. You know, the Congress has a ridiculously low approval rating. But then you ask individuals, do you like your Congressperson? And overwhelmingly they're like, oh, yeah, mine's good.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah.
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Phil
So, yes, you don't like Congress because Congress doesn't get anything done most of the time. That's because Congress isn't supposed to be getting the things.
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Ellie Bufkin
I actually make the argument that they get far too much done in terms of these, like, omnib bus bills that are full of stuff we don't even know about that are. Did you know this? And I'm gonna have to fact check, but I heard from a smart person that Ted Cruz included that the. The space shuttle that's kept at udvar hazy in D.C. or Dulles is. He put it in the big, beautiful build that. That was going to be moved to Texas. Like, nobody noticed.
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Tate
That's awesome.
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Ellie Bufkin
Just as a point of contention. Yeah. It reminds me, like, that's our shuttle.
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Tate
Yeah, that's. That's like, they already have France did. In the Treaty of Versailles, where they're like, by the way, champagne can only be made in champagne. It's just white wine. I'm like, they slipped that in at the last second.
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Phil
I didn't know that was in the Treaty of. Yeah, that is.
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Ellie Bufkin
That's very raunchy.
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Tate
So Ted Cruz is moving, like France right now. What's going on really rattled him, I think.
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Phil
I mean, but the point that I'm making is, like, people want to see federal laws that should actually be state laws. Laws. And really, this is a point that we make regularly. Like, if you focus on your local reps and your state, then you'll have far more tangible results than if you try to get things done at a federal level. There is a place for federal legislation, but it's probably not what you're thinking about. And if we had a government that was actually limited by the Constitution that didn't abuse the commerce clause, didn't abuse the necessary and proper clause and actually protected, you know, your rights that are alleged to be protected in the Bill of Rights. You know, you could have more effective government at the state level and people would probably be happier with the results that they get. But people think that there should be the same laws in California as in New York and as in Florida and that's, that just doesn't make any sense sense, you know, but trying to convince people of that is, you know, like herding cats.
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Ellie Bufkin
It really is. And it's scary because you know how often the power and the, you know, and on Capitol Hill changes. And one year you can have lots of Democrats who want these crazy labor bills that are harmful to, you know, contractors and you know, like the pro act which fortunately hasn't happened yet. But it's always looming over our heads and a, you know, we saw it happen in California. It's a disaster. But happening at the federal level is a whole new level of terrifying and, and subverts the will of the people again. So.
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Phil
All right, let's see. Hail Gailey says Luis Rossman did a YouTube series on the dysfunction of New York City real estate. It's an over leveraged house of cards that is one bad quarter away from collapse. I mean that could probably be said about out a few different industries, but I guess that would be something that people will have to have to look into and make their make their own calls essay. Federale says Shane literally created the resurrection of coast to coast within the Tim Cast family. That's exactly the point. It's great. Yum. Better at least be catching the rerun runs that she is enthralling. Coast to coast is great. There's a lot of times where all that remains had long overnight drives after shows while we were still touring in vans and we would be listening to coast to coast am. And Ollie was a huge, huge fan. So if he was driving you could guarantee that Art Bell was on and coast to Coast AM was going for, for the late night drive.
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Shane Cashman
So.
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Phil
And yes, that's exactly what Shane has done with Inverted World Live. And you should definitely go check it out after the show if you, if you haven't checked it out already. It's a lot of fun and Shane and Brando are great hosts. So Isaac says why should we worry about Iran having newts when the nuclear armed countries in Europe are becoming Muslim majority countries? Well, I mean France and the UK are the only countries in Europe with nukes. I believe. Right. So I mean most Islamic countries though. Well, yeah, they are the most, they are the most.
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Tate
France like legit by, I think it's 2055 will have not a Muslim majority but a Muslim descended majority.
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Phil
Yeah.
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Tate
I mean morality, sorry, still not run.
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Ellie Bufkin
By the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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Tate
Yeah, no, no, yeah. But it is, it is crazy that like you have to sit there and think like okay, so maybe in the next 50 years it's something we have to consider.
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Phil
I mean it is something you're going to be, it's, it's a legitimate, it's a, it's something legit Many, many years.
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Ellie Bufkin
From having fingers on the nukes.
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Phil
How many is how many is many, many years. And honestly is something that's many, many years away, something that we can afford to actually just say, oh, it's not a problem.
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Ellie Bufkin
You know, I don't think that nukes will ever not be a problem. I mean there's, there's, this is, you know, one of the, the greatest conundrums that has, that has befallen us since the invention of the nuclear weapon. Right. They're always going to be a problem. Anybody having them is technically a problem. The only thing that keeps it safe is the fact that many people have them. And there's the mutual self destruction issue. That is, that is the outlier with a nation like Iran having it is that they don't seem to be concerned about being destroyed themselves, which is very dangerous. The same thing, the same reason that a suicide bomber is much more dangerous than a normal criminal. You can't, you can't threaten them with self harm. Yeah. It doesn't bother them.
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Phil
Let's see. Neglectful sausage says Chinese equals collection of ethnic groups. Hispanic equals collection of ethnic groups. Hispanics own Latin America, Chinese own China. If hites are a collection of ethnic group, what?
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Shane Cashman
It's whites.
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Phil
Oh, it's whites.
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Shane Cashman
It's whites.
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Phil
Whites spelled H U A. Whites are a collection of ethnic groups. Why can't they own usa? Well, because the United States wasn't founded that that way or it hasn't developed that way. There are people that make the argument that because it was founded by wasps that it should only be wasps. But I think that, that that ship has sailed a long, long time ago. So the option was never really there, you know.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah, that's a, you know, I think that there's a big difference between belief and secure borders and.
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Phil
Yep.
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Ellie Bufkin
And immigration processes that ensure that the people who are here want to be here and want to be part of the Experiment want to be part of the project and is a completely different thing than choosing an ethnicity. This reminds me a lot of the, you know, like the Soviet era cards. Trying to figure out people's ethnicity, like, based on their shape and stuff like that. Yeah, it's, it's not nice. It's. Who wants to live with that much hate in their heart?
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Tate
Yeah. And also like China, Chinese as an ethnic or collection of ethnic groups isn't true. Because the Han Chinese run everything, Right?
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Ellie Bufkin
Exactly. Have you ever, I mean, have you ever asked them if they're a mono, like, ethnic group? They're absolutely not.
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Tate
You know, Hispanics hate each. You ever ask a Puerto Rican what they think about Mexican people?
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Ellie Bufkin
Have you ever accidentally called somebody from Brazil Latino or Latino?
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Tate
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. You ask a Dominican what they think about, like, yeah, like, like a Mexican person and you're going to hear like slurs you've never heard in your entire life.
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Phil
Yeah, it might get hit.
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Tate
Yeah.
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Phil
So, yeah. And you know, as far as the United States, like the United, Like, I'm probably the most restrictive, you know, I, I have the most restrictive, you know, immigration policies that are, that are my favorite. I think we should shut immigration down for a decade. No immigrants, except for, oh, one visas, and let the people that are here assimilated assimilate. And I think that everybody that's here illegally should be deported. Like, everybody. And that's about as, as extreme as you get on, you know, immigration policy. But even I don't think that, oh, we shouldn't allow people in based on race or anything. Like, you definitely can disallow people based on ideology. Like, I don't think that we should let. I think that it's correct that the United States says we don't let communists in. Right. Like, if you don't look at things like private property as property rights as sacred, then you shouldn't be allowed to become an American, period. Like, because that is anti American. But I don't think we should base it on race. I think it should be based on.
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Tate
Ideas definitely based on nationality. Like, Trump's done that with banning certain countries from sending people here. Because that's the question is like, I mean, if, if this is a wide, widely held belief among like 99% of the population that we're not going to risk it to hopefully get this 1% in.
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Ellie Bufkin
It should be hard. I mean, it should be hard. It should be a challenge. You should. This is not a right, you know, this is a blessing if you want to, if you want to live here. It's the greatest country in the world and a lot of people have died and worked their entire lives and generations to make it so. And if you want to come here, that's great. I love that you want to come here, but it needs to be something that you have to work for and earn. And when people understand that, then I want them here. I think it's the same thing. We want people who love the country to be here. We want families. There's a lot of cultures that are not in this country who like creating families a lot more than Americans currently do. And I'm all about opening that door and making that happen. But I do agree with you. I'm not sure that I agree a 10 year ban, but I do agree that we've got a lot of undoing.
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Phil
Just so that way all the people that are here can become America.
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Ellie Bufkin
Kind of like a settling period. No, I totally agree.
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Phil
And the reason I say that is because there's been so many people that have come here and have been encouraged to not assimilate. Right. They've been encouraged, they've been allowed to, to speak the, the language of whatever country they've come from. The government has gone out of its way to provide services in those languages. I think all that stuff should end. It should all be English. The argument that I make for that is there are concepts that don't make sense in other language. There are certain concepts that make sense only in the native language language. You have to have a people that all speak the same language so they can all understand the same concepts. So just shut down all immigration for a decade or so. Let everybody assimilate and then, and again, I don't mind O1 visas if you're, if you got a special skill, a special talent or something like that. Come on, we can, we can figure out, but that's a couple hundred thousand a year.
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Ellie Bufkin
No. 1 visa still. They, you still need to want to be here. Like, it's great that you have that special skill, but that's not just the open door for you. A lot of people treat it that way 100%. I think that that's a huge problem because that's a lot of the, the way that like the CCP gets people in here.
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Phil
I, I totally agree with you. It shouldn't be just, oh, the 01 visa, that's a, your, your free pass. I think that there should, it should be very stringent. You should have a special talent. You should actually want to be here. You should actually believe in our Fundamental principles that make America what it is. You have to believe in, in property rights, individual liberty, etc. Etc. I don't think, I think if you, if you have a, an opinion that I, that's distasteful about the second Amendment, you shouldn't be allowed into the United States. Like these things are fundamental to the country. If you don't think people should have the right to speak, speak their mind, you gotta go.
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Ellie Bufkin
We're not gonna require you to buy a gun, but if you have a problem with me having one, I think that's an inherent problem. The Bill of Rights is fundamental to who we are as a people.
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Phil
Yeah. That it shouldn't. This isn't a list of, that is, isn't a list of suggestions. These are things that are protection that the government isn't allowed to say that you can't do. So if you want to come here, then you have to at least accept, okay, these are things that every American is going to be able to do. And I, I, not only am I okay with that, I wouldn't push against them.
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Ellie Bufkin
Right.
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Phil
You know, so at the least, yeah.
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Ellie Bufkin
I prefer that you celebrate it in a ticker tape parade, but yeah.
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Phil
Yes.
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Tate
At the very least, when they're building giant like monkey God statues in Texas, that's a good sign. It's time to shut the, the tap.
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Phil
For a little bit.
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Tate
Right. Like it's getting a little.
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Phil
Just, just pump the brakes.
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Tate
They're even stealing Marxist jobs like Zoron. He's an immigrant. He's coming here and he's taken a job from a hardworking Marxist. That's not right.
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Phil
That's another thing it's like we've got. If you're born in America, you automatically have the right to be as garbage. You have the garbage opinions if you want. We can't do anything about it. It's like your family. If your, if your brother sucks, your brother sucks, sucks. But he's your brother, so you have to deal with it. We don't need to bring in people that have these terrible opinions.
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Ellie Bufkin
Right, Exactly. So you already have enough of those.
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Phil
That's right here.
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Ellie Bufkin
Something we can do about.
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Phil
Let's see. Wyatt Claytonberg says. Phil, what do you guys think about the Gaza aid drama? It seems like everyone is lying. The photo of the kid in the New York Times as Ms. Israel actually helped him. But Israel lies too. Israel's blocking aid. They're all full of crap. I don't know what to believe. And so it's not, not my problem. This is exactly why? I'm like, let them do whatever they want to do. I don't care. People get upset with me because I don't hate on Israel enough. Well, I don't care enough to hate on them. Right. Like, you have to actually have some kind of, you have to feel a certain kind of way if you're going to hate on someone, and I don't care what they do, let them deal with their problems. Problems over there, what, six or 7,000 miles away, 10,000 miles away, whatever it is, their problems are over there and I'm not over there, so I don't give a f. That's it. So. But yes, I, they're, they're, they're both lying. They both engage in propaganda. They're both trying to persuade people. Israel's been doing a terrible job of it, and that's why there's so many people that are turning against them. Let's see.
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Shane Cashman
It's cocoa sauce.
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Phil
Oh, coco sauce. Says extremists won't forget about decades of U. S. Interference. Whether we support Israel or not, that ship has sailed. Look, the reason the Marine Corps exists is because of the Barbary pirates and because there were people that said, hey, we're going to just scoop you, you, your, your people up and put them in slavery. Like, that has been something that has gone on in the Middle east for literally ever. So it's not like it's new to think that the, that there are problems in the Middle east that has been. As long as there's been a United States. The United States has had to deal with issues from Middle Eastern countries because of their religion. Right. Like, that's just the way that it is, whether it's the Somali pirates or the Barbary pirates or dealing with Gaza or whatever like that. The, the idea that we're going to have to deal with this, it, it goes without saying, it's part of just the existence of, of apparently the, that region. So, yeah, yes, we're going to have to deal with it, but it's not about US Interference, it's about the people that are over there and their belief system.
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Tate
The Jacob and Esau came out of the womb fighting.
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Phil
Yeah.
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Ellie Bufkin
You know, so there's a lot in the, I mean, if you want to get into, like, biblical stuff, there's so, so much in there that is predictive of, like, exactly what's going on today.
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Phil
I mean, you know, I mean, look, it, it goes all the way back to the, at least the stuff between Israel and, and the Arabs, because all the Way back to Isaac and. And Ishmael. Oh yeah.
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Tate
Isaiah probably talks about Hillary's emails. I mean it's crazy how accurate it gets. Yeah.
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Phil
Taylor Lorenz's ex wife says who has better plastic surgery, me or Bruce? I'm not sure who Bruce is. Oh, Bruce Jenner. Yes, of course. Missed you this weekend, Phil. CW was a blast. Thank you all. Tim Cast team Thank you Roman Nation for the legendary after party. I wish that I could have gone. I had a massive, massive, massive fever and, and I was very, very under the weather. So. Yeah, we've all been getting killed by this. There's been like a bunch of people here. A lot's got it now. Serge had it last week. I had it over the weekend. Yeah, you've managed to dodge a blood, huh?
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Tate
It's like I never get sick. So if I get sick, it's time to shut the company down.
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Phil
I think that, I think you probably dodged it. I mean it's made its way through.
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Shane Cashman
So far a little bit different. Phil, maybe Tate was patient zero. Knows.
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Tate
Yeah, maybe I haven't.
- [120:11]
Phil
I just. Were you sick?
- [120:12]
Tate
You're into it? No, I never get like I. It never happens.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, he's a carrier.
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Tate
Cuz I got vaccinated actually.
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Phil
All right. Ral Cortez says yeah, I'm indifferent to any of the points brought up in favor of Israel. I'm not bothered by Israel fighting their enemies, but I just don't see the casual relationship between Israel safety and American interests. I mean, look, I agree with you about the, about, you know, Israel can fight their enemies however they want to fight them. I'm not particularly concerned. I saw a post this weekend on X about the Sudan and like half a million people died there and it's like no one cares cuz no one can blame the Jews, you know, so it's. There's plenty of places where there are more horrible things going on than what is going on in, in Gaza. And you don't hear people making us think about it. And I genuinely do think a lot of the reason is because. Because you know, you can't blame Israel.
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Ellie Bufkin
So just for some numbers, because I did look this up recently, there are 300 million people facing food insecurity in the world. Less than 2 million of those are in the Gaza Strip. So there's a lot of countries including Haiti, Sudan, Mali, who are facing much more severe crises that were. Nobody seems to care about at all.
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Phil
Yeah, because it. And mostly because they can't make a political statement about it. So.
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Ellie Bufkin
Correct.
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Phil
See Dr. Tran says the Internet is turning the humans gay. No, that's just you real.
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Tate
Figure it out, man. Yeah, figure it out.
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Phil
Isaac says, why should we worry about Iran having nukes when the nuclear armed countries. Oh, wait, we already read that one.
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Tate
Yeah, it's like a trip down memory lane.
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Phil
It is. Let's see, we got here. Matthew. Matthew Vandersage said, are you going to post the Culture War live with Michael Malice? Well, it won't be live because it's already been recorded, so. No, but it's recorded and they're gonna post that, so. Yes, and I think that goes up Friday at 11. Friday at 11. There you go. So when we do the Culture war episodes on Saturday, they will debut the following Friday at the normal Culture war time. So if you want to get your tickets for this weekend, you go to. Is it still at DC Comedy Loft.
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Tate
Go to Timcast events.
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Shane Cashman
Okay.
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Phil
Timcastevents.com and you can buy your tickets there. Hurry because they are going fast. They usually do. It'll be Alex Stein and who else is there? Have they promoted?
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Tate
Yeah, it's going to be Myron Gaines.
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Phil
Oh yeah.
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Tate
He's an interesting guy.
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Phil
Yeah. And Cat Timf. Cat the Fox News.
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Tate
And then Kyle Attorney was also interesting.
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Phil
Is that not so erudite? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Tate
So there's. There's some. There's some interesting ideologies on the stage. I think it'll create quite the atmosphere. All right, buy your tickets. Going quick.
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Phil
So smash the like button, share the show with your friends and let everyone that you know know that you should watch Tim cast. We're gonna wrap it up here. So Ellie, do you want to share, uh, share. Share where people can find you and stuff.
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Ellie Bufkin
Oh, sure. You can find me on Twitter at Ellie Buffkin or sorry, X. Sorry, I'm old.
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Phil
That's. Everyone knows.
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Ellie Bufkin
Yeah. And you can follow the organization to hear more about the work that we're doing to defend all embattled democracies and talk about how great America is@fdd.org perfect.
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Tate
Yeah. Follow me on X and Instagram at Realtate Brown. I'm popping on these shows all the time. So you there, good stuff.
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Phil
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