Texas Republicans Win, House Passes Redistricting Map, GOP Looks To Gain 5 Seats w/ Theresa Payton

Summary

Timcast IRL – August 21, 2025: Texas Republicans Win, House Passes Redistricting Map, GOP Looks To Gain 5 Seats w/ Theresa Payton

Podcast: Timcast IRL
Host(s): Tim Pool, Raymond Giusani Jr., Phil, Brett (from Pop Culture Crisis), Will, JJ Harris
Guest: Theresa Payton (CEO, former White House CIO, author)
Air Date: August 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL dives deep into current hot-button topics in politics and culture. The main focus is on the passage of a new redistricting map in Texas poised to bolster Republican control in the U.S. House. Other significant subjects include Bed Bath & Beyond's business decisions, the controversy over Cracker Barrel's rebranding, America’s shifting retail landscape, the latest on border security, Target’s ongoing boycotts, and a lengthy discussion on immigration, justice, and social order. Guest Theresa Payton brings expert insights, particularly around cybersecurity, manipulation campaigns, and technological shifts affecting America’s future.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Texas Redistricting: A Major GOP Win

[04:06–23:52]

• Republicans Secure 5 New Seats:
  The Texas House passed a new congressional map likely guaranteeing Republicans up to 30 of 38 seats, a significant increase. Democrats attempted to stall with a walkout but ultimately returned, vowing court challenges.

• Controversy & Demographic Shifts:

  • Democrats framed the map as racially discriminatory, alleging it weakens minority representation.
  • Tim counters: “Two of the five new districts would actually be majority black...has nothing to do with race, but…demographic shift and population shift, people leaving California, moving to Texas and all of the illegal immigration.” [05:04]
  • Theresa Payton: Offers a caution: “Be careful because one man or woman's favorite redistricting, the next party…can change it back. So just make sure it's something that will stand the test of time…” [06:31]
  • Phil: Notes a political sea change—Republicans are “finally...going on the offensive,” claiming Democrats have already maxed out their own gerrymandering options. [08:00]
  • Disagreement over whether accusations of racism still wield political or cultural power.

Notable Moment:

• Raymond: “God bless America if Jasmine Crockett loses her seat. That would be fantastic and amazing.” [08:31]
• Theresa Payton (on manipulation): “We all consciously or subconsciously have manipulation campaigns...it can also be things like, like the rhetoric and the language that people use that can be very divisive.” [15:06]

Takeaway:

Texas’ GOP is consolidating power via redistricting, sparking legal and rhetorical battles. Both sides accuse the other of operating out of cynical self-interest—political power over principle.

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2. Algorithmic Manipulation & Social Media Influence

[17:03–19:29]

• Resetting Algorithms:
  • Phil asks how to avoid “doom feeds”—Theresa suggests seeking out neutral or happy content (e.g., “rolling pandas”).
  • She exposes the financial motives behind foreign (e.g., Macedonian) social media manipulation: “They just said, ‘We're pro capitalism.’...They figured out when they were pro Hillary, they didn't make as much money. But when they were pro Bernie, pro Trump, anti Hillary...they just made the most money.” [18:10]

Notable Quote:

• “The Internet gives you more of what you came for, especially with algorithms today on social media platforms and AI.” —Theresa Payton [16:11]

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3. America’s Business Climate: Bed Bath & Beyond & California’s Exodus

[26:13–33:42]

• Bed Bath & Beyond Declines California:
  Executive Chairman Marcus Lemonis announces no plans to open stores in California due to “higher taxes, higher fees and higher wages, coupled with endless regulations that strangle growth.” [27:02]
  • Company pivots to online fulfillment for CA customers.
  • Tim: “California loves to talk about how they're the ninth biggest economy in the world...but...they've lost 500,000 people over the past few years…” [29:54]
  • Raymond details major corporations leaving California for Texas due to poor business climate.

Notable Quote:

• “When you’re going to lose a st. Like In N Out Burger...to Nashville or Tennessee, that's a big deal.” —Raymond [30:53]

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4. Gen Z, Brick & Mortar, and America’s Data Future

[31:26–36:23]

• Gen Z’s Preferences:
  • Theresa Payton: Despite widespread digitization, "Gen Z loves brick and mortar, loves shopping in person," but wants convenience too. [31:26]
• Data Centers & Energy Concerns:
  • AI and crypto demand huge data infrastructure; Texas (Abilene) is highlighted as the next frontier.
  • Power demands may outstrip supply, leading to critical policy and energy allocation debates.
  • Tim: “If the United States doesn’t get their s together when it comes to power generation...they’re going to lose the AI race.” [35:47]

Notable Quote:

• Theresa: “Today’s data centers don’t match up to what we need for AI cryptocurrency. So the data centers...are going to need to be a 5 gigawatt campus. This is the equivalent to the power coming out of three nuclear plants.” [36:23]

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5. Cracker Barrel’s Rebrand & Cultural ‘Modernia’

[44:49–56:52]

• Logo Change Backlash:
  • Cracker Barrel’s minimalist logo and interior redesign prompted customer outrage for abandoning rustic Americana.
  • CEO claims positive feedback, but hosts and Theresa are skeptical.
  • Phil: “This is radicalized me more than like anything we’ve talked about...as a fan of Cracker Bar.” [50:32]
  • Tim: “It’s like—I thought it looked like a hospital cafeteria.” [54:11]

Memorable Excerpt:

• Teresa: “If I were advising the new CEO...I would highly recommend she do like an undercover boss...to get some real customer focused feedback.” [51:03]

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6. Border Security: Painting the Wall Black

[58:52–64:08]

• Border Wall Deterrence:
  • DHS orders border wall painted black to increase surface temperature and deter climbing.
  • Debate over effectiveness; consensus leans toward policy (not physical measures) mattering most.

Insightful Quote:

• Teresa Payton: “We should do a better job of making it easier for people who are desperate to have a better life to have an appointment to do the paperwork and to be here.” [62:34]

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7. Immigration: Illegal Hiring & Policy Impacts

[74:48–85:30]

• Tragedy & Accountability:
  • A trucking company’s illegal hiring leads to a fatal accident; Trump admin revokes company license.
  • Tim: “There’s something that needs to be done about the companies that are actually hiring illegals because they’re the draw.” [75:33]
  • Suggestion: Confiscate businesses/property of violators to force compliance.
• Theresa: Questions why basic employment checks (I-9) failed; discussion reveals widespread neglect/fraud.

Notable Quote:

• “If you hire people that are illegal, you should lose your...business...because that's the only way you're going to make it not worth hiring illegals.” —Tim [76:32]

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8. Target, Boycotts, and the Shifting Retail Landscape

[89:32–99:40]

• Target’s CEO Resigns Amid Declining Sales:
  • Boycotts from left (rolling back DEI policies) and right (LGBT pride items, tuck swimsuits), compounded by rising competition from Amazon and shifts in consumer habit post-pandemic.
  • Phil doubts most boycotts’ real-world effect: “Outside of Bud Light, it feels like every boycott falls very, very flat most of the time.” [94:14]
  • Theresa notes in-store sales everywhere are down as Americans turn to online.

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9. Justice, Consequences, and America’s Social Contract

[102:41–116:41]

• Space Force Sergeant Sentenced for Vigilante Shooting:
  • Detailed breakdown of a case where an off-duty Space Force sergeant fatally shot a 14-year-old suspected car thief after a pursuit.
  • Universal agreement: Sgt. went too far by chasing and shooting, but broader blame on collapsing faith in police and criminal justice, leading civilians to take law into their own hands.
  • Phil: “Once you have a felony on your record, it's very, very hard to get out from under that. . . 54 years...awful.” [106:02]
  • Tim: “If you don't have proper law enforcement...you're going to have a population that feels like they're not going to be protected by the State and they'll want to take the law into their own hands.” [113:55]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Accusations of Racism in Politics:
  “They just call everything racist. And that has...worked to frighten people...People don't want to consider them...think of themselves as a bad person.” —Tim Pool [10:13]

• On Social Media Manipulation:
  “People actually make loads of money in the process. So Meta makes loads of money... Macedonians...said, ‘we're pro-capitalism.’” —Theresa Payton [18:10]

• On Redistricting: “Texas’ GOP is consolidating power via redistricting, sparking legal and rhetorical battles...accusations of racism less compelling nowadays.” [14:03]

• On Retail Change:
  “Modernia is basically doing terrible things for culture, I believe.” —Phil [54:29]

• On America’s Energy Race:
  “If the United States doesn't get their s together when it comes to power generation, they're going to lose the AI race.” —Tim Pool [35:47]

• On Border Policy:
  “We have to find out who do we want to be as a nation and then figure out... how are we going to from a policy allow people to be here legally or deter them from trying to be here illegally...” —Theresa Payton [65:18]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Texas Redistricting Deep Dive: 04:06–23:52
• Algorithm Manipulation & Social Media: 17:03–19:29
• Bed Bath & Beyond, California Business Exodus: 26:13–33:42
• Gen Z, In-person Retail, Energy Demands: 31:26–36:23
• Cracker Barrel Rebrand Controversy: 44:49–56:52
• Painting the Border Wall: 58:52–64:08
• Immigration: Illegal Hiring & Consequences: 74:48–85:30
• Target CEO Resignation & Retail Disruption: 89:32–99:40
• Space Force “Vigilante” Shooting Case: 102:41–116:41

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Conclusion

This episode provides a sprawling, multi-faceted look at politics and culture in 2025, anchored by Texas’ redistricting battle. Through current events, policy debates, and cultural battles, Theresa Payton and the Timcast panel grapple with what it means to be American in a changing technological and demographic landscape—and what risks and responsibilities that entails for both citizens and institutions.

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Panel Final Thoughts:

• Theresa Payton plugs her book Manipulated: Inside the Cyber War to Hijack Elections and Distort the Truth (about global manipulation campaigns, not just elections) [129:59].
• The cast continues to urge for more engagement, independent thought, and a vigilant citizenry in confronting manipulation and institutional decay.

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Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

The Texas House has approved redistricting so it proves that all of that hubbub from the Democrats was absolutely pointless for no reason at all. Bed Bath and Beyond is going to be back, but they're not coming back to California. So we'll talk about that. Cracker Barrel has decided that they're going to do a whole bunch of redistrict redecorating. Excuse me. And the Internet has said thanks. I hate it. And the DHS has decided they're going to redecorate the border wall. So that way it's hot to hot to the touch. So we're going to go ahead and get into all that. So if you will, head on. But before that, head on over to Caspre.com and buy some coff. You've got Josie's signature blend. Now we've got two weeks till Christmas. We've got Ian's Graphene Dream. We've also got the K cups. So if you're a little on the lazy side like myself, you can go ahead and just toss those in. It makes it much easier. But head on over to Casper.com it is the best coffee out there, I promise. I actually do drink it in the morning. That's my preferred brand. It's good. And then head on over to Timcast.com and become a member. So that way you can join our discord and you can join us for the after show where you can call in and you can talk to our guest, you can talk to us, you have questions, ask the panel and stuff. Then head on over to rumble.com Become a member there so you can watch the after show. That's where the things get a little spicy. We get into topics that maybe we aren't supposed to talk about or you don't think that you're supposed to talk about or What? Or. Or YouTube won't let us talk about. So what was are you you signaling at me? Search. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

So. So, yeah, head on over to. Head on over to rumble.com and join there. But to talk about all these things. Joining us tonight is.

[Teresa Payton]

Hi, everybody. Teresa Payton. Nice to be here.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you and what do you do?

[Teresa Payton]

I'm Teresa Payton. I'm CEO for List Solutions. I was the Chief Information officer for President George W. Bush 2006-2008. First female to hold that job. But before that, I worked in financial services for 16 years, and now I help companies and individuals with security.

[Tim Pool]

You have a book that you're.

[Teresa Payton]

I do have a book, yes. I've got a paperback, second edition. Manipulated Inside the Cyber War to Hijack Elections and Distort the Truth. It is not really just about elections. It's all of the manipulation campaigns that happen around the world, globally, including in the United States, that impact us on social issues, how we talk to each other, how we treat each other, and by the way, also elections. Deepfakes. AI play a role in that as well. Awesome.

[Tim Pool]

Well, thank you for joining us. We appreciate it. Raymond is here.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

What's up, friends? It's your boy, Raymond Giusani Jr. Excited to meet you. Ms. Teresa.

[Teresa Payton]

Nice to meet you.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Friends, if you're looking, if you look behind Brett, I'll introduce him today. And Phil, it's dark outside and we have some blue lights. We had some red lights. So today I got to spend a day up in the air in the lift, in a boom lift, hooking up for the skate jam session on August 30 that we're going to have. So we got red, white, and blue. You know how Tim cast rolls Row America.

[Tim Pool]

There you go.

[Phil]

I see a purple light back there as well.

[Teresa Payton]

It does look a little purple.

[Phil]

Colors might have been changed.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I think Tim might have said go purple, go pink for a second there.

[Phil]

One of them. Okay, guys, my name is Brett. I am normally the host of Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday at 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time. Let's talk politics.

[Tim Pool]

All right, so we're going to jump right into this from Axios. The Texas House approves redistricting map favoring Republicans. The Texas House gave initial approval to a new congressional map Wednesday that will likely give Republic seats in a closely divided U.S. house. The redistricting would go a long way to ensuring the US House remains in Republican control even as it sets in motion a wave of gerrymandering in other states. Heavily outnumbered Texas Democrats briefly held up the redistricting plan as they left for other states. Depriving the chamber of a quorum necessary for a vote. But they returned Monday for a new special session, saying they would now challenge the redistricting in the courts. The 38 member Texas congressional delegation is currently composed of 12 Democrats and 25 Republicans. One seat is vacant following the death earlier this year of Democrat Rep. Sylvester Turner of Houston. Under the new map, prompted by a demand from President Trump, Texas would likely send 30 Republicans and eight Democrats to Washington. You want transparency. The underlying goal of this redistricting is to improve Republican political performance, bill author State Rep. Todd Hunter, Republican from Corpus Christi, said on Wednesday. The proposal amounts to an illegal, racially discriminatory map that surgically strips away minority representation in the U.S. congress, said Rep. Chris Turner from Grand Prairie. This is Texas, not Washington, D.C. the impulse of outside politicians and their billionaire backers shouldn't dictate what we do in the House. It is not, it is not the way that the Democrats are actually framing it. If I understand correctly, two of the new of the five new seats would actually be majority black or I'm sorry, two of the five new districts would be majority black. So this is has nothing to do with race, but it does have to do with the fact that there has been such a massive demographic graphic shift and population shift, people leaving California, moving to Texas and all of the illegal immigration. Considering the the census doesn't count citizens, it counts people, it counts bodies. It's something that actually has precedent. There have been times where there have been, you know, you know, mid censuses that were not just every 10 years and, and redistricting is something that, that I think is important. Do you have a sense as to what this actually is going to mean for Republicans or Democrats in D.C. ?

[Teresa Payton]

I think it's going to be interesting to see as somebody who lived in Florida through redistricting and North Carolina through a redistricting, it is going to be interesting to see how it plays out. The one thing I always say about redistricting is be careful because one man or woman's favorite redistricting the next party, if they become in charge, they can change it back. So just make sure it's something that will stand the test of time, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[Tim Pool]

This is something that we've been talking about for a couple days because this has kind of been what's leading the news. Nick Sorter had some stuff to say about it on Twitter. We're going to go to this real quick. Breaking tonight, Texas Republican legislators have just won their fight over redistricting just moments ago. The state House vote is now final. The bill aims to provide five additional congressional seats for the gop. Correspondent Garrett Tenney shows us what's happening from Austin, Texas tonight. Good evening, Garrett. Very short, but yeah. So five seats is really going to be a big deal. And I think if the Democrats are going to escalate, which is what they've kind of indicated that they're going to do, you'll see some redistricting in I think it was California, Illinois. But again, this is something we talked about a couple times. There's not a whole lot more the Democrats can do, whereas the Republicans actually have a lot of room to squeeze more seats out of multiple states.

[Phil]

Well, yeah, that's because as we've talked about endlessly on this show, at least in times I've been on, is that Republicans historically in the past have been very weak on actually making inroads in progress. They tend to be playing defense all the time. And now for the first time, at least in my, it feels like in my living memory that they're actually going on the offensive. And the Democrats can't really do that because they've been on the offensive for so long that they've pushed that can as far down the road as they can.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

And so things are happening. It's not that, it's not that nothing ever happens. This is nothing ever change.

[Phil]

Nothing ever changes. It's not nothing ever happens. Nothing ever changes.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

And I'm excited to see God bless America of Jasmine Crockett loses her seat. That would be fantastic and amazing. She said, or I'm just looking at it that it's racist and is anti demographic warning that they're going to drastically, drastically reduce minority voting power. Whereas like Phil said, they're going to get at least two, possibly two with minority voting power.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So actually speaking of representatives, as many.

[Will]

Of you as possible to flood our our state like when it's election time. I want them to be so mad that they did all of this because we have people coming from the entire country to Texas to make sure that this little scheme that they tried to pull where they were just going to steal and diminish the voices of black and brown people. I want us to be so loud that they actually go running and trying to figure out what's that little racist town they all hiding in and some what is in Missouri, Arkansas.

[Teresa Payton]

Arkansas.

[Will]

I think they all ran to Arkansas. That's where they need to run off to. That's how I want them to feel after this election. So no matter what happens, I need you all to stay in this fight because literally the, the, the war is just starting. It is.

[Tim Pool]

What the hell is she talking about?

[Phil]

I have no idea.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

That is a very good question.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't understand any of that other.

[Phil]

Than I was assuming you did, and I just didn't make any sense.

[Teresa Payton]

I mean, I wondered if she asked ChatGPT what was going on and maybe that was the answer it gave. I mean, yeah, so I don't know.

[Phil]

What is the precedent? So it's not just her saying that it's racist. It was the, the Democrat from the article referenced it and called it. Is there like some type of precedent for why they're saying that?

[Teresa Payton]

It's not a research study. Maybe.

[Phil]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

I think that it's probably just kind of boilerplate Democrat complaining about whatever the policy is. That's just the, the go to line that they've had for the better part of at least a decade, possibly 15 years. They just call everything racist. And that has, has worked to frighten people and say, oh, because people are really, people don't want to consider them, you know, think of themselves as a bad person. And generally racism is, is thought of as a bad thing. So, you know, you tell a white person they're like that, oh, you're racist. They're going to be like, oh, what did I do that was racist? Especially if you're talking about someone that's a Democrat. Republicans have kind of got a, a thicker skin now because they've been hearing it for so long and, and they've gotten to the point where they're just like, I know I'm not. So I don't care what you say. I know this is only a rhetorical tool. This is only you trying to attack me to, to shut me up. So let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

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[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

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[Tim Pool]

So I don't worry about those kind of accusations, but there's still people that, that it actually works for.

[Phil]

Yeah, but that's like when you're having an argument with somebody about social issues. We're talking about political redistricting. It's as boring as it could possibly get. And that's like. That seems so outside of the construct of what they're discussing that it doesn't even seem relevant. Like that makes more sense if they're talking about the actual racial demographics of their politicians. Saying you didn't vote for this person, therefore you're racist. We know that's still BS as well, but that seems more logical than whatever it is that they're trying to. It feels very square peg, round hole. But if anybody's going to tell you to be loud, obnoxious, it would be Jasmine Crockett.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

That was an injury.

[Tim Pool]

Yang.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Remember he tried to move to. Was it Georgia when Georgia was having their special elections back in 2022? Something like that? He was trying to move down there, tell people move down there. Move of residents for three months so he can vote into that election. And Jasmine, nobody cares about you. No one's going to move from Missouri to Texas. No one's going to move from Maine to Texas just to save your ass. Nobody gives f. I'm sorry, miss.

[Teresa Payton]

I mean, especially if you have a job that requires you to come into the office.

[Phil]

You think everybody works remote.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, good point. You know, this, this, this post from Muse says that Jasmine Crockett was calling for white people to leave Texas, suggesting they moved to Arkansas.

[Phil]

That's white flight. You're not supposed to do that either.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

And they're building a town of the white people. Is that what she's. They're mad about that and now she wants them to go join this other white community?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, that's the. That's. Again, that kind of speaks to my point about using racism as a rhetorical tool or using the, the accusation of, of racism as a, a wedge to get people to respond because white people have been like, you know, I don't want to be thought of as racist again.

[Phil]

That works when you're talking about regular social issues. If we're talking about this, nobody's moving.

[Tim Pool]

Just to yeah, but I do think that the, the accusation of racism is less compelling nowadays.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Just like when, you know, when you hear Nazi about Donald Trump for 35,000 times in a month or whatever, like you people start to think, okay, wait a minute, maybe they're just saying the most terrible thing they can think of. And this is, this actually is something that comes from like kind of the postmodern philosophy. There's. They don't actually believe, their postmodernists don't actually believe that there is a truth. They believe that it's all perspective. And they don't believe that words actually have any more meaning than we give them. So because words, words have the meaning that we give them, words don't actually have any meaning. So they can use words that function to get a reaction or to produce a result as opposed to using words that mean something. And it's, it's generally has worked, but people on the right are kind of on to that, that kind of rhetoric and, and are just sick and tired of you point to your book. Do you if you got, please, if you got something that you can add to that, please.

[Teresa Payton]

Well, no, I mean, as far as manipulation campaigns, and that's what people have to realize is we all consciously or subconsciously have manipulation campaigns. And so on the one hand, it may be something good where, I don't know, I'm looking for light blue pumps and the Internet, now that I talked about it in front of all of you, the Internet's going to send me marketing campaigns, manipulation campaigns to show me the blue pumps I couldn't find and now I have to buy. So on the one hand, there's marketing, but then it can also be things like, like the rhetoric and the language that people use that can be very divisive. And it's happening on the Internet, it's happening in sort of the language choices we use. And we have to be very mindful of it and not do it ourselves, but also be able to help other people spot and stop when these manipulation campaigns are happening.

[Phil]

So now, like you're gonna turn on your computer, it's gonna be ads like move to sunny Texas.

[Teresa Payton]

I thought it was Arkansas.

[Phil]

Well, I thought.

[Tim Pool]

Was she talking about, she wants people to move to Arkansas.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

If you're white, you gotta, you gotta move out of state, basically.

[Tim Pool]

So do you. Is that something that you actually get into in your book?

[Teresa Payton]

Not about the kind of, that part of the politics, but the fact that you can see where a social media campaign using certain hashtags, using certain language can manipulate people into thinking, okay, this is what's actually happening, and they don't have the time to dig deeper. And it ends up starting. So. And the Internet gives you more of what you came for, especially with algorithms today on social media platforms and AI. And so if you ask or you linger, the Internet's going to keep giving you more and more of what you came for.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

This just shows also, like, they remember they did it again. They did it before. Like it was 20, 22 or something like that. They all like 50. Some left the state, Democrats. And they did it again this year. And they. Both times they came back and they. And they didn't win anything. Nothing. They gained nothing. So hopefully folks will realize that it's all just performative, it's all just fake.

[Phil]

I have a question for you. What's the best way to re. Like, if. If we're talking purely on social media platforms, what is the best way to, like, reset your algorithm if it's going off the rails?

[Teresa Payton]

I mean, look at rolling pandas. I mean, so if you think about rolling pandas, how can you have a bad day when you see pandas rolling down a hill? And so if you want to. I mean, whenever I feel like my algorithm needs a reset, I'll look at, like, funny animal videos or rolling pandas or maybe I'll look at something. I love Pope Leo. So I'll look at something that Pope Leo recently said, and it just resets.

[Phil]

Your algorithm because, like, X is particularly pernicious. In, like, last week, we covered the stupid story about the Mormon dating show. And I. I did the. I did myself the disservice of bookmarking, like, two people talking about it. And then I closed X, I opened it back up, and it took nine posts before I saw something that wasn't, quote, tweeting that. That single thing. So I had to un. I did like, un bookmark. I had to go and send it back to myself through Slack and so that it wouldn't be bookmarked on my page because it completely destroyed my feed.

[Teresa Payton]

It does that. And. And that's the thing. What they want is for you to spend more time, so the more eyeballs they have, the more money they make. And it's one of the things I found in doing the research for the book was, you know, I thought a lot of times manipulation campaigns as they related to political elections around the world was about trying to pick winners and losers. But what I realized in the research for my book is people actually make loads of money in the process. So meta Makes loads of money. And then I came across through Hacker X, there was a Macedonian group and Hacker X asked them, why are you guys pro Bernie, pro Trump and anti Hillary? And this was back in sort of that timeframe when all three of them were running, and they said, oh, we're not. That's the combo that makes us the most money. So you click on their news, you click on the ads, spend time there, and they figured out when they were pro Hillary, they didn't make as much money. But when they were pro Bernie, pro Trump, anti Hillary, that for them, capitalism wise, they just said, we're pro capitalism. These Macedonians, Bernie would hate that. He would, I know he, he, he's.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Come to love capitalism. He's been, he's been shilling the whole time.

[Tim Pool]

He's, he'll maybe he loves it for himself, but.

[Phil]

Yeah, that's right.

[Tim Pool]

He doesn't talk.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

He wrote a book. He's got like phonyism.

[Phil]

He's not even, he's not even the private sector.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So I mean, look, at the end of the day, the, you know, whether you're talking about this kind of manipulation or whatever or you're talking about redistricting, the goal is to get the, as much political power as you can. And I think that the Democrats have made it pretty clear, even though they'll swear up and down that this is some kind of, I guess, a nefarious attempt by the Republicans. This is something that's pretty mundane, to be honest with you. Now granted, like I said, that it is odd that they're doing a redistricting and they want to do, you know, do it halfway through the census time. You know, Normally it's every 10 years that they'll, they'll do a census and then they'll redistrict. But it's not unprecedented. It's happened before. They, they could do another, a whole nother census and that might even change more of the, the congressional representation. It's likely to change more of the congressional representation. So I just want to know, you know, what do you guys think is going to be the overall outcome of this? Did the, the attempts at redistricting, do you think it's going to turn into a big old fight between Republicans and Democrats? Do you think California is going to go and then the Republicans are going to actually have to go, or do you think that it'll just be something that happens in, in Texas? Because tech. Excuse me, because California, they actually have a, have to have a referendum to do this. Do you think that they have the, the actual, do you think there's the, the fire in California's belly to actually pass the referendum and that doesn't happen. Do the Republicans still respond in other states and say, let's just go whole hog and go for as many seats as we can?

[Phil]

What would be another state that they would want to do this in?

[Tim Pool]

Republicans or Democrats?

[Phil]

Republicans.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I mean, we had the. Let me see if I can find it.

[Phil]

Because it was like what, there's like seven states that have a strong percentage Republican with no Republican representation.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah, a lot of them.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

My, I mean, my, my old home state, Massachusetts, they have, they have zero Republican representation. And you know, 35, 35, 40% of the Republic of the people in Massachusetts are Republicans. It's not, it's not 100%, you know, Democrat. But the same thing kind of goes for, for California. Right. Like, they have a lot of, a lot of people that are Republicans in California because there's just a lot of people in California and there are very few Republican representatives.

[Phil]

So I mean, that's the problem though, right? You can't show those seven states to a Jasmine Crockett or who is making their argument to the contrary because they probably know anyway. Well, she might not know, but the other ones who are talking about this might already likely know about this. They understand that it's not racial. They understand that it's absolutely about political power. They don't care and they never have.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So it looks like, I mean, there's 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 states that Republicans could redraw the maps in, whereas the Democrats have four. So it's not, it doesn't look good for the Republic, for the Democrats in California. Again, California isn't even a guarantee. They're just talking about it and they're going to, they'd have to have a referendum and the people would have to actually have to vote for it. So do you guys have the sense that this is something that the Republicans will push forward? Because as far as I'm concerned, like I want to see the Republicans do everything they can to shove it down the Democrats throats Because there's something again, we talk about regularly. Democrats are going to do that. Democrats are going to do everything they can with if, if and when they get back in power, because eventually they will, when they do, they are going to do everything they can to expand the Court, the, the Supreme Court. They're going to try to add states. They're going to try to get rid of the electoral college. Now, those things may not happen, but they're going to try because Democrats aren't afraid to exercise power, whereas Republicans really do avoid exercising power.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I think with this, this, with if, with the success of Texas, hopefully folks, other Missouri, there's a couple other, you know, North Carolina, South Carolina will see this or other states that we're talking about that need to be restrict. Ohio, definitely Ohio, you kidding me? Kentucky, Tennessee. Hopefully they'll take the lead of Texas and be like, you know what? And we've been essing on them for so long for not taking the power that they're supposed to be taking. They've just been sitting by the strongly worded letters aren't going to cut it, bro. So hopefully I would, I'm hoping like Phil and like we were saying as well too Brett, that they should take the power and just do it. Just do it.

[Teresa Payton]

I mean, I think it'll be interesting to see what happens from a leadership perspective on the Republican side. The other thing I would say is if you're going to do it, do it. But think through the opportunity costs. If you're spending time on this, is there something else that's not going to get done? And so if you're going to do it, do it knowing you're going to win, like be in it to win it or focus on the thing you're not doing. So that, that would be my biggest thing because I, I think a frustration a lot of times is sometimes, you know, they like being number two versus number one because then you have to lead. So I, I would just say for the Republicans, make sure if you're in it and you're going to do this, be in it to win it and, and focus on so what's not going to get done if we're focused on this, do you think that there's something.

[Phil]

That they could be better spent using their time for?

[Teresa Payton]

I mean, it depends. It depends on what's going state by state, what they should be focused on. So like for example, with Texas, let's.

[Tim Pool]

Map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[Will]

Honestly, Will, I didn't plan any trips, but I did switch to T Mobile with their new family freedom offer.

[Tim Pool]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Will]

Well, I'm departing from AT&T and embarking on a new journey with T Mobile. They paid off my family's four phones up to $3200 and gave us four new phones on the House.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Bon voyage.

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[Teresa Payton]

They've had a lot of issues with having to deal with crime, immigration. They have a lot going on in, in that economy and it's a very big state, a very diverse economy and so for them this is probably where they want to spend their time and the opportunity cost is, is worth it. Some of the other states, I think you've, you've just have to look at the long list of things that need to get done that might not get done if you're focused on this.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. All right, so we're going to jump to this story now. We're, we're going to talk a little bit about Bed, Bath and Beyond. They went away for a couple years, but they're coming back. Major Retailers From Fox News, Fox Business Major retailer says no to California pulls zero punches outlining Economic Reality Bed, Bath and Beyond Executive Chairman Marcus Lemons, I think that's right, announced on Wednesday that the company won't operate open or operate retail stores in California, saying the decision isn't about politics, it's about reality. Limone said in a statement posted on X that the decision was driven by the fact that the company wouldn't be able to sustain operations in the state due to higher taxes, higher fees and higher wages, coupled with endless regulations that strangle growth. California has created one of the most over regulated, expensive and risky environments for businesses in America, limon said, noting that the state's policies created a system that makes it harder to employ people, harder to keep doors open and harder to deliver value to customers. Said that the state's budget surpluses come at the expense of ordinary citizens who are paying too much and businesses who are squeezed until they break. Limon said the company won't participate in a system that he says undermines both its customers and shareholders. But the company isn't alienating its California customers. Instead, Limon said the company is investing in a strategy that will enable Californians to get products from Bedbath and Beyond.com that will be delivered between 24 and 48 hours in many cases, same day services will be offered. Offered. Limon said nothing that it will, excuse me said, noting that it will help the company avoid the inflated costs created by an unstable business model. This comes as the ailing company fights its way back to relevance after it collapsed in 2023 from mounting debt and several failed turnaround strategies under his parent company, renamed from Beyond Inc. To Bed, Bath and Beyond. This week, the retailer is returning to brick and mortar shops with its first, first, First Bed, Bath and Beyond opening in Nashville earlier this month.

[Phil]

So theoretically, they should have like brick and mortar stores, right? Like, products like that seem like something that you would want to go and actually buy in person.

[Tim Pool]

Well, not only that, like, you know, a lot of people like to be able to go and, you know, hold things like towels or sheets. It's one thing to be like, oh, you know, I wanna, I wanna order things that are, are not tactile. That from, from, from Amazon.

[Phil]

But, but was one of the things listed, did it have to do with crime? Was it like the lack of prosecution for stuff getting stolen? Are they worried about having to like, lock up individual towels?

[Tim Pool]

I think this, I think this case, not in this case, not so much because they'd been, you know, out of business.

[Phil]

The taxes, yeah, it's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's not just the taxes. It's. It's the, the cost of hiring people because the minimum wage, minimum wage is extremely high in California. It's probably the cost of regulation. Opening actual brick and mortar stores is not cheap in California. These things add up, up and they disincentivize business. California loves to talk about how they're the ninth biggest economy in the world. And this is what one of the, one of the guys was saying earlier. The piece is a bit long, so we're not going to listen to it, but California loves to talk about how they're one of the. Or they're the ninth biggest economy in the world. And it's true. But that's because California's got beautiful weather and it's got beautiful land and stuff. Those kind of things only retain people for so long. You have Teslas left. And that was a big deal because literally one of the politicians was vocally criticizing Musk on the Internet. And Musk was like, all right, message received and just moved out. That's a big business that they lost. They, that's a lot of people that worked there that had to either moved with Tesla or lost their jobs, you know, and I don't know how many other companies have left California in the past five years.

[Phil]

Couldn't even keep Joe Rogan.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah, Joe Rogan, Jamie.

[Tim Pool]

You know, and yeah, and that's like I don't know how many people Rogan employees, but it's not that many. But even still, like when you're that wealthy, you know, as, as well as wealthy as Rogan is. Look, man, you have a lot of leverage with getting around laws that you don't want to deal with or paying fees and stuff. It doesn't really matter. But Rogan, you know, apparently it was too much for, for Rogan to take. And again they've lost. I think they net lost like 500,000 people over the past few years, which is incredible because if you, anyone you know, you've been to California, it's gorgeous. It's absolutely beautiful on the coast. You know, some of California is desert like the rest of the Southeast. I'm sorry Southwest. But still like it's really, it's really beautiful where, where the people are, the population centers. So it's, it's takes significant, significantly bad governance. Yeah. To get people to say I can't deal with it here.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

When you're going to lose a st. Like In N Out Burger, the headquarters of In N Out Burgers that's known for being in California, they're going to move to Nashville or Tennessee. That's a big deal. Also Phil, answer your question. 200 companies within the last since 2020 have moved out of California. Chevron, Hewlett Packard, Enterprise, oracle, Charles Schwab, McKenzie, they all moved to Texas. Yeah, like I was saying the other day in 2018 when I was doing recruiting. Yeah.

[Phil]

Over 200 putting any data centers when.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I was recruiting, everyone was moving to Texas even like five years ago before 2020.

[Teresa Payton]

So can we go second but yes, on data centers. Stargate will be in Abilene, Texas. But let's talk about that because. Oh, the, the Stargate, the, the AI center. But let's go back to the fact we are building brick and mortar. Everything old is new again. Old school is finally cool. And what's interesting, I'm raising three Gen Z's. Gen Z's love going to the mall. Genz want in person. Gen Z's want tactile. They want to be places in real life. Don't get me wrong, they love convenience. So if they can get something delivered to them when it's convenient, great. But they remember we locked them up for like 10 to 20% of their life during COVID Some places did, depending on where you lived. I Mean, so just a quick story. So I live in North Carolina, but very close to the South Carolina border. And we were going crazy. It's middle of COVID Everything's closed in North Carolina. And so I picked up the phone and called a bowling alley in South Carolina about 10 miles from my house. And they picked up on the first ring and I said, oh my gosh, are you open? She said, honey, in South Carolina we never closed. And so we packed up the kids and we went bowling. But anyways, Gen Z loves brick and mortar, loves shopping in person. So it's going to be interesting to see like, look at Starbucks in store. Sales are down. Gen Z says, says this place is soulless. They're adding people to work and Starbucks. So while we're talking about AI on the one hand, Gen Z is speaking with their wallets and their pocketbooks. Let's go back to Texas though. Abilene is going to have the big data center going in. I don't think a lot of people realize the energy consumption that AI Cryptocurrency and eventually Quantum is going to be asking for. But we've got some big decisions to make. Says these huge data centers go in. They're bigger than anything we have today. We have to ask ourselves, when it's in your neighborhood, when there's a rolling brownout, who gets the energy? Is it going to be the data center that's now powering really important things? Is it going to be your house? Is it going to be the hospital? Is it going to be the schools? Who's going to get it? We've got some big questions that have to be answered.

[Phil]

One of the center, hospital, maybe house.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Third data center before hospitals.

[Tim Pool]

You can't overstate how important the generating electricity is going to be for the future. And if you look at how much China's done, because you're right about the data centers, AI is, is incredibly electricity intensive. And China has, I think, I don't know how much they've, they've increased, but they have. They're just eating our lunch. And you can't get permits in the US to turn on a nuclear power plant that, that will actually be functional before 2032.

[Teresa Payton]

Do you know an American nuclear engineer?

[Tim Pool]

No. You know, solar, like I like the idea of solar. And Musk seems to believe in solar. He thinks that it's the, he's like, this is the future. That's, that's where it's going to be. But look, your, your nuclear generation. Nowadays, nuclear power generation is safe. Coal keeps the AI on well, I mean right now it does over in China, but they're looking, they're, they're making massive, massive gains in, in everything. China doesn't have the same kind of restrictions that the United States does.

[Teresa Payton]

They don't.

[Tim Pool]

The United States, if, if China wants to do something, they just do it. It doesn't matter if they have to tear an entire village up and displace 10, 000 people or 20, 000 people. They don't care. They just do it. This is what the, this is what the state needs now. And so that's what's going to happen. They've been building nuclear, they're building dams, they're building a dam now that's going to make the like child's play. The new dam is alleged to be able, is planned to be able to produce enough power to power all of ger a population the size of Germany, like the whole country from one dam. If the United States doesn't get their s together when it comes to power generation, they're going to lose. Never mind all the stuff you said because you're totally right about brownouts. Like does the, does the AI center get the power? Does the, the hospital that's keeping people on life support get the, the power? Or does your air conditioner get the power? Brownouts are happening. They're going to have to triage. That's going to happen. That's totally true. But not only that, if the United States isn't making enough power, the United States will lose the AI race. And that is the most important thing going right now. I know there are people that are AI skeptic and that say, oh, AI is not that impressive or it won't be. I truly believe that they are dead wrong, that this technology is going to not just revolutionize one industry, it's going to revolutionize the world. It's going to be bigger than the Internet, it's going to be bigger than the printing press. The change that's going to happen because.

[Teresa Payton]

Of AI it is, it is. It's the next industrial revolution. And what people have to realize so today's data centers don't match up to what we need for AI cryptocurrency. So the data centers that are being built, including in Abilene, Texas as part of the Stargate rollout, they're going to need to be a 5 gigawatt campus. This is the equivalent to the power coming out of three nuclear plants.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Real quick question. Tucson, Arizona recently said they rejected unanimously their Project Blue data center. Massive Data center. So if we. If they're going to keep saying no to the data centers, I mean, it was going to take all their water and kill the whole economy, and it's going to be terrible for them. But where can they put the data centers where they don't kill all the water and make people in the surrounding area, you know, not have water and just live terrible lives?

[Tim Pool]

Look, in 2024, China generated, what is it, 1073 terawatt hours, while the United States generated 4387 terawatt hours. Now it's twice as much as the US and granted, China has a lot more people, right? But that doesn't change the fact that they have the capacity and the United States does not have the capacity. And China is generating. China is building and investing in ways that the United States just is not. And this is a massive problem. This is something that is going to, like AI and power generation, like the number of electrons that you can. That you can generate is a massive, massive problem for the United States right now.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

But they build cities that are dead. They. They spend a lot of money.

[Teresa Payton]

Oh, yeah, they're empty.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

You know what I mean? They. They spend all this money. I. I guess it's different when you get a data center compared to a construction site and a construction program. They build this huge city that no one lives in, where data center is online, and you. It's actual. You don't need a structural foundation. It's just the cloud.

[Tim Pool]

What was that? It's not. The data center is an actual physical.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

No, I understand, but you're not building a huge city for people that aren't going to live in it. You're building a data center for people to use the cloud, like you said. You know what I mean? Okay, Actually, there's actually used data center has a use, whereas the city of emptiness is there.

[Tim Pool]

All right, okay, I see what you're saying now.

[Phil]

City of emptiness.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yes. I was born and raised in the city of emptiness.

[Tim Pool]

What city was that?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Hamlin, Pennsylvania.

[Tim Pool]

Anyways, they're gonna put a data center.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

No. There's no. No data center.

[Tim Pool]

No. All right, well, back to the. Back to the situation with Bed, Bath and Beyond. The official statement from Marcus Lemon said, we will not open retail stores in California. This isn't about politics. It's about reality. California system makes it nearly impossible for businesses to succeed. And I won't put our company, our employees, or our customers in that position. See attached.

[Phil]

What's annoying about it is it's actually a triumph of capitalism that they can reopen stores and still get products to people in California and find a way around that. But because the left is so anti business and anti capitalist by nature that they won't see this as the win that it is, what they'll say is you should open a business here, lose money on it and pay us $35,000 an hour. And instead they're not seeing it for what it is, which is a win for everybody involved because they're working with the, you know, with what they've been given, which is cr. Crappy regulation, no ability to operate within the state but still get products to people there.

[Tim Pool]

Look, California's minimum wage is 1650 an hour.

[Phil]

Okay. Not 35,000.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

You're close enough.

[Tim Pool]

You're close, but that's. Look, the fact of the matter is like the amount of people that actually make minimum wage and the length of time that they stay at minimum wage is like, it's very few people and it's very, very short. I'm actually going to. Let me Google that.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

That's a good question. Because 1650 is not a living wage in California. If you're living by yourself, that's, I mean, in California in general, you can't live by yourself even if you're making like 80k.

[Teresa Payton]

Well, that's why they should be happy that they don't get taxed on tips now.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah, only for four years. And then we can talk about it later when Trump's out of office and we can have another wedge issue to fight about.

[Phil]

10% of workers.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So they, they don't have an actual number for us, but 10% of workers in the state make no more than the current minimum wage.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

That's a lot.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, for that actually is. Let's see. California 6000, approximately 10%.

[Teresa Payton]

So it says people make below that. Is that because they're working like.

[Tim Pool]

Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[Will]

Honestly, Will, I didn't plan any trips, but I did switch to T Mobile with their new Family Freedom offer.

[Tim Pool]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Will]

Well, I'm departing from AT&T and embarking on a new journey with T Mobile. They paid off my family's four phones up to $3200 and gave us four new phones on the house.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Bon voyage.

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[Tim Pool]

This is one of the most spectacular venues with all kinds of character and hospitality scenery.

[Will]

These people in this Kitas Valley, they.

[Tim Pool]

Love when you come to see what.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

They have to offer.

[JJ Harris]

I'm JJ Harris, Ellensburg rodeo clown and.

[Tim Pool]

I want to invite you to the rodeo. Come hang out with us in Ellensburg.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Great rodeo.

[Tim Pool]

Great time.

[JJ Harris]

Two performances on Saturday.

[Phil]

One is the extreme bulls of the year event.

[JJ Harris]

Do not miss the Ellensburg Rodeo August 29th through September 1st.

[Tim Pool]

We'll see you there.

[Teresa Payton]

Commission. Well, it would be waiting tables.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. People that are working in the service industry or possibly they might be talking about people that are illegals that are, you know, being paid under the table and they might be throwing them into the estimate, but I don't really know. But even still, like, I'm not sure. Let me see what they say about total.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Just real quick. I. I know some recently who went to the service industry and they're like what? 235 an hour? They had, they had no idea because it's all tips. Your income is tips. You get 235 an hour. And it blew their mind.

[Teresa Payton]

But I think you have to pay babysitters at least $20 an hour if you want a decent babysitter. So I'm trying to make sense.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So there's only. There's about 869,000 hourly workers in the United States that make the federal minimum wage. So that's. I mean that's an, that's 1.1% of hourly workers. That is an exceedingly small amount of people. Yeah. That actually make minimum wage. Most people, you know, make weight make considerably more than minimum wage. Even if they're not making a lot of money. Most people are making more than minimum wage. So it's the, the idea that, that, you know, raising the minimum wage is important to a considerable number of the electorate is just wrong.

[Phil]

Well, it's a, it's a, it's another wedge issue that they focus on during election season because it wouldn't matter anyways with inflation at the rate that it's at now. It's like we've been so past like, like wages have failed to raise with the rate of inflation for so long that it's Almost a moot point.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Phil]

The cost of everything is going up anyways.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

That's why Walgreens and all those guys went on business in California because they started doing $20 an hour and they couldn't afford to pay the people.

[Tim Pool]

That and then the, the fact that people, regulations, stealing and.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Sure, sure.

[Teresa Payton]

Oh, yeah. You go in by deodorant and it's all locked individually in a case. Or you have to go to the, the front desk and say. Or the cashier and say, I'd like a deodorant. Here's the.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I just want to smell clean. That's all I want to do. Smell clean. But like, no, I got to go through the whole process.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So I mean, California. And not only, not only that, but when the police won't enforce laws against shoplifting, that's, that's what happens. It's essentially, allow me telling people it's okay. Why wouldn't you, you know, what's, the, what's, what's going to stop you if, if the police won't actually enforce the law?

[JJ Harris]

It's all like, it's all cloud, pivot stuff. Like they just destabilize and knock it all down. And then when they, they're greeted as liberators when they, when they come to inevitably, oh, we'll, we'll insert our laws and our order and everything like that. But it's not really working because we're the ones in sitting law and order quarter. So it kind of backfired for them, I think.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, sir. All right, we're going to jump to this story here from the post. Millennial Cracker Barrel fans slam new redesign Woke CEO insists feedback is overwhelmingly positive. Cracker Barrel is facing a wave of backlash after unveiling its first major logo design since 1977, with longtime customers and fans furious that the company quietly dropped its signature cowboy from the image image that defined the chain for nearly five decades. Says Gray News, the company's CEO is now under attack from Cracker Barrel traditionalists who believe the brand is being mismanaged. The country style restaurant chain rolled out the new look, keeping its golden brown palette, but removed the iconic figure of a man leaning against a barrel with a minimalist design focused solely on the barrel itself. In a statement, the company said the refreshed logo is rooted even more closely to the iconic barrel shape and word mark mark that started it all. The controversy comes on the heels of other missteps by CEO Julie Fles Masino, who took the helm less than a year ago last year, she sparked outrage during an investor call by declaring, we're just not as relevant as we once were, while admitting that some of our recipes and processes haven't evolved in decades. Those remarks, combined with sluggish post pandemic business, rattled investors. The company's stock plunged nearly 20% in the weeks following following, sinking to a 52 week low of 4,535, its weakest trading level in more than 10 years, according to Daily Mail.

[Phil]

She shouldn't. She'd been focused on the we are. We are a mainstay. We're something that doesn't need to change. We represent a steady hand for America that is resistant to change because it's good the way it is. Isn't the CEO's job to frame things in a positive light?

[Tim Pool]

If you go by the stock price, I would say that's probably.

[Phil]

But they're saying that, that that stock drop also came out on the heels of her making those comments, Right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was a bad idea, clearly. Yeah.

[Teresa Payton]

I have to say, they waited 47 years to change the logo. So why now? Yeah, well, I changed that. What, like, what were people saying? I really don't like Barrel and Cracker Barrel.

[Phil]

Are they, like, looking for young people to come in and come to Cracker Barrel? Because that's not your audience. Like, part of running a business is knowing who your target market is. Now, I understand that with most businesses you're always looking to expand and you never just want to settle into one demographic and stick with it.

[Tim Pool]

It.

[Phil]

But for a company like this, you have to, at the very least, you have to settle into what, you know, works and then perhaps branch out from there.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, the, the, the. It's normal to see a backlash from people on the Internet when it comes to significant changes. But there was another picture that I saw going around and I don't know if it's actually in this, in this piece from the Post Millennial, but they had changed the inside, too. They all of the knickknacks that were, you know, frequently or in all of them, the cracker bales. Because the walls are just packed with stuff. They're just consistently full of things. Those are all going to be changed too. And it looks very, it looks sparse in comparison to the way that it used to be. And it's almost like I couldn't help but think of, like the. It's. It was in my imagination. It's like if, if Brooklyn was designing a Cracker Barrel because, because it reminded me of the Picture of, like, that sparse little barbecue whenever people were saying, oh, this is what barbecue in Brooklyn's like. And it's like, you think of barbecue, you think play to stuff. And like, it were these tiny little portions. And it just made me think, this is. This is not what people think of when they think of Cracker Barrel. And it doesn't seem to stay true to the. The spirit of the. Of the. The company.

[Phil]

Homogeneity is the name of the dam game with fast food now, though. I mean, McDonald's looks like a corporate office when you go inside there. And the same is true, like, whenever we're back visiting in Michigan. There's like a Shake Shack there, and it looks like a CPA office office. It doesn't have any personality whatsoever. So most of these places. I don't know if it's. Most of it has a lot to do with the fact that a lot of the business comes from delivery now anyways, from doordash that they just don't try as hard inside. But he said, this lady's only been in charge for like a year. She's taking it down in record time. We are going to see a ton of think pieces on X2 about how this is another sign about the death of the American culture. There's going to be very long articles written by people about how this is actually a sign of the end times.

[Tim Pool]

Let's see what she had to say about this here. All right, I got to ask this question. I think I probably know the answer. What if all the customers are coming at you hard enough about the look of the restaurant and they want to go back to the old way? Would you do it?

[Teresa Payton]

Honestly, the feedback's been overwhelmingly positive that people like what we're doing. I'll give you another soundbite. I actually happened to be in Orlando last week with all of our managers. We bring them together and once every other year. And the number one question that I. I got asked Michael was, how can.

[Will]

I get a remodel?

[Teresa Payton]

When can I get a remodel? How do I get on the list?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, really?

[Teresa Payton]

So, because the feedback and the buzz is so good, not only from our customers, but from our team members.

[Will]

They want to work in a.

[Teresa Payton]

In a wonderful restaurant. So we're doing everything for our guests and our team members.

[Tim Pool]

Julie Messina, it's wonderful to have you here.

[Teresa Payton]

Pleasure to be.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you for answering those questions.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

For all the Cracker Barrel fans out.

[Tim Pool]

There, and a lot of. A lot of great changes.

[Teresa Payton]

Thank you so much.

[Tim Pool]

I wonder how true that is I.

[Phil]

Could believe that the employees wanted a remodel. I don't know if I buy that the people that go there want a remodel.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think that this is a situation that they should have done something like Microsoft did when Mike, when what Google did when they went from yellow to white, how they just changed slightly changed it every day over the course of a year? If they just started like pulling things down one at a time and then slowly changed it to the new remodel.

[Phil]

Yeah, that's what they should have done. I mean they shouldn't do it anyways. This is radicalized me more than like anything we've talked about in the last few years as a, as a fan of Cracker Bar. Yeah, yeah. This is horrible. What's worse, this or the MSNBC rebrand?

[Tim Pool]

This.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah. Who cares about msnbc Ms. Now?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, like, who cares about that? This. Yeah, I think that this is, I mean this is worse because Cracker Barrel actually like I liked Cracker Barrel or I do like Cracker Barrel and, and I, I don't care about what MSNBC or what Ms. Now does because I don't pay attention.

[Teresa Payton]

I think it would be interesting to see how the same store sales start to look a quarter from now. But if I were advising the new CEO, which I'm not. I mean, but if she's listening, she might be. You never know. If she were listening, what I would say to her is, you know, I worked in banking. We used to do Mystery Shopper. So we would go in as if we were a customer, not present ourselves as somebody from corporate and just mingle with the other customers, see how we were treated and see what the experience felt like. I would highly recommend she do like an undercover boss and be like a mystery shopper and just go visit the Cracker Barrels and even come like try to engage with other customers to get some real customer focused feedback. That would be my biggest recommendation to her. If she were asking my opinion. If she's watching the show, that's what I would say.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

The Crackle Cracker Barrel crowd aren't like hippie dippy drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon beer. Pabst Blue Ribbon beer. Hippies, you know, like cool kids anymore, they're just older generations. They want to relax when I have breakfast in the morning with steak and eggs. They, they love the old, like you said, Gen Z. They might, they might like the walls full of like memorabilia and all the stuff of like the history of America. That was, would be nice. But when you make it all bland and, and also, real quick question.

[Teresa Payton]

Yeah.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Do you think women is off topic? They come in and they ruin Bud Light. Not they, but certain. Certain people come in the room. Bud Light.

[Teresa Payton]

Wait, are you blaming women?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

The more I'm learning about these CEOs and these HR reps, like, what's going on with the old, you know, can you. Can women be in charge of a company?

[Teresa Payton]

I'm in charge of my company.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Are you successful?

[Teresa Payton]

Yeah, we're very successful. I'm here, aren't I?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, come on.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I know I'm just having fun, but.

[Teresa Payton]

I do have to ask. Does anybody know. Did they get rid of the pegboards? Were you.

[Phil]

Oh, there's. I.

[Teresa Payton]

Except that's gone. We need to leave now. We ride tonight.

[Phil]

Or the checkers outside.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Wait, what?

[Teresa Payton]

And the rocking chairs, they get rid.

[Phil]

Of that stuff, I'm never going back.

[Teresa Payton]

No, we. We ride. Got to go to a Cracker Barrel.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

You ever won that game at You Bet, Tim?

[Phil]

Like, like, asked Chat GPT how to win it one night when we were ready.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Teresa Payton]

So this picture, I mean, it takes me a while. I got to warm up a little bit, you know, to get back into the groove of it.

[Tim Pool]

See, this is a terrible picture. It doesn't actually.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Oh, yeah, that's.

[Phil]

There were videos on X of it. There were videos of people you can find. You can probably find them on X, but it's just like. There were no, like, actual booths when you went there before. It was all back chair.

[Tim Pool]

You look. Exactly. That was one of the things that I wanted to point out. These chairs re. Like, when I Googled it, they brought up pictures of just the. The changes, some of the changes they've made. But this one is the one that I wanted to see, or this particular redesign, because getting rid of those. Those round back, the round top chairs that really looked. Had that rustic look.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

In favor of this. It's like. This might as well be an ihop, right? This might as well be.

[Teresa Payton]

I thought it looked like a hospital cafeteria.

[Tim Pool]

The local.

[Teresa Payton]

The local.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

This one had the old one. The old one.

[Teresa Payton]

This looks like a hospital cafeteria.

[Phil]

The Applebee's by my house has more memorabilia than this does.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

So Modernia is basically doing terrible things for culture, I believe.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[JJ Harris]

Well, I mean, it looks the same now.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. There is a.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Everything looks like last night. You guys talking about that box house? That's the African American History Museum. That looks like the Chewbacca.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it looks like the Jawas. Yeah.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

It's all, like, ever since, What, World War II, we went to this weird.

[Tim Pool]

And, And I heard brutalism.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah, brutalism. Instead of. Because the Nazis and old folks were like, they liked things looking pretty and stuff. And we're like, you know, we're going to fight against that. We're going to make everything look like square boxes and trash.

[Phil]

Trash.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

And now it looks like square boxes and trash.

[JJ Harris]

Yeah, true.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean, I think that I do, I do agree with you guys. Like the, the sameness of all of the. Or at least of this particular look. Right. Like the fact that it looks like an Ihopper, it looks like a friendlies. There's no rustic charm. I mean, I imagine that if I look at this place, I, I can't imagine what the, what the store would hold. Yeah, right. Like the, the stores that are attached to Cracker Barrel, they have a bunch of cool knickknacks there. It's a great place to get little, little gifts or whatever, you know, And I, I mean, this doesn't look like it. And again, I don't, I don't know because this is just the one pick and I can't. I couldn't find anything else to, to actually give us a better idea, but. Well, this one's another one. Like, you can't really look at that.

[Teresa Payton]

There it is. See, you got clothing, you've got. That's. That's what I'm talking about. That's what America wants. Give America what they want.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Let's see, where's that?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

It's that easy. You know, that should be everyone line. Give America what they want.

[Teresa Payton]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, okay, here's a video.

[Teresa Payton]

My kids had Halloween costumes from Cracker Barrel, and they're adorable costumes.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it's a little reminiscent of the old stuff, but it's not particularly.

[Teresa Payton]

You know, it could almost be like a lobby and in a loft hotel.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil]

The lighting shouldn't be that good. Yeah, yeah, the lighting should be bad.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I mean, it's, it's, it's much cleaner than most people are used to. Yeah. And I do think that this is, you know, again, you're gonna get backlash when you make changes to brands that have been around for a while. But I don't know that. And I don't know that this is, is something that people are going to be able to, to get over. I. Do you guys think that this is going to be something that will affect their attendance or do you think that if the food is the same, people be like, whatever? I think fuddy duddies.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I think we might be Fuddy duddies. But I feel like older folks who are older than than us like my dad's age.

[Tim Pool]

Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[Will]

Honestly, Will, I didn't plan any trips but I did switch to T Mobile with their new family freedom offer.

[Tim Pool]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Will]

Well, I'm departing from AT&T and embarking on a new journey with T Mobile. They paid off my family's four phones up to $3200 and gave gave us four new phones on the house.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Bon voyage.

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[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

They will be like, what this? Why is this? I'm not, I don't like this. That's not what I like. So I think they might lose the older folks and I don't know if the younger hippie, you know, Gen Z, younger, Gen X are going to come into that like nobody. Cracker Barrel is an old person place.

[Tim Pool]

Is it an old person? Yes.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

From my what I think.

[Phil]

I mean, that's what I'm saying. Her branding, she's working against like a, like a preconception people have of the restaurant. Like how many people in their 20s and 30s are like, let's go to Cracker Barrel tonight. I mean, I do that, but that's.

[Tim Pool]

That'S, man, it's one of the few places around here that I actually like their pancakes. I, me, like Sarah, my, we brought home a box of the pancake mix because I like the pancakes there. So I'll still go. Even if it looks bad or it doesn't look like Cracker Barrel.

[Teresa Payton]

What if they change the food? It sounds like she's getting ready to change the menu.

[Tim Pool]

Then I'm going to change where I'm going to go get pancakes then. Huh.

[Phil]

That would, that would probably do even more damage, honestly, if you change the look.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

But if you keep the food delicious as it always has been, then maybe maybe they can, you know, bring in new crowds.

[Teresa Payton]

Maybe.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. All right, we're gonna we're gonna move on to this next story from the Post Millennial. The DHS paints U.S. mexico border wall black so it's too hot to climb. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christine Oem revealed Tuesday that the southern border wall between the United States and Mexico would be painted black as part of an effort to increase deterrence against illegal crimes crossing. Speaking from Santa Teresa, New Mexico, Noem said the decision was more made to make it hot, make the wall hotter under the sun, which would make it more difficult to climb. She also noted that painting the wall black will increase the lifespan of the metal. Noam emphasized that the request came directly from President Trump. If you look at the structure that's behind me, it's tall, which makes it very, very difficult to climb. Almost impossible. It also goes deep into the ground, which would make it very difficult, if not impossible, to dig under. And today, we are also going to be painting it black. Get a little video from Secretary Noem here.

[Teresa Payton]

Remember that a nation without borders is.

[Tim Pool]

No nation at all. And we're so thankful that we have a president that understands that and understands that a secure border is important to our country's future. Now, if you look at the structure that's behind me, it's tall, which makes.

[Will]

It very, very difficult to climb.

[Tim Pool]

Almost impossible.

[Teresa Payton]

It also goes deep into the ground.

[Tim Pool]

Which would make it very difficult, if not impossible, to dig under. And today, we are also going to.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Be painting it black.

[Tim Pool]

That is specifically at the request of.

[Teresa Payton]

The president, who understands that in the.

[Tim Pool]

Hot temperatures down here, when something is.

[Will]

Painted black, it gets even warmer, and.

[Tim Pool]

It will make it even harder for people to climb. So we are going to be painting.

[Teresa Payton]

The entire southern border wall black to.

[Tim Pool]

Make sure that we encourage individuals to not come into our country illegally, to.

[Teresa Payton]

Not break our federal laws, but that.

[Tim Pool]

They will abide and come to our country the right way so that they can stay and have the opportunity to become United States citizens and pursue the American dream. This is hilarious.

[Phil]

I'm surprised she's not wearing painters overall.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil]

It's like paint splattered on.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Phil]

She did herself.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know why. Yeah. She shouldn't be wearing this outfit. She should have been wearing overall.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Who's going to be painting it? Illegal aliens?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Criminal aliens. I'm sorry. Imagine, you know, what kind of an.

[Teresa Payton]

Hour might be robots painting robots.

[Phil]

I mean, look, she's going to paint it herself. I'm telling you. She's going to go.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly right. Look, is. Is this. Is. I mean, is this going to actually deter people from Climbing the, the wall, though, do you think? I don't get the sense that climbing the wall was a big problem. It's. It seems far more common that you hear about people digging under the wall and tunnels. Cartels moving drugs that way as opposed.

[Phil]

And people that way, too. Yeah, the tunnels, absolutely.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

An angled angle grinder, you could just get that down.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I mean, write a hole in it and you're fine.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure how much of the wall has actually been built. I know that there are sections, but it's certainly not from, from the Gulf to the Pacific. That's not at all the case. So. So, you know, they build it, but there's still a lot. I think that it's my sense that the, the effect of people not coming into the country anymore, like the, the amount of, or the fewer numbers of people that are coming in are because of policy, unless because of physical barriers or what have you.

[Phil]

Because they know they're going to get sent away right away.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean, the more you make it difficult for people to actually come in and if you have policies that are like, hey, you have. If you get caught, we're just going to send you out as opposed to you get caught and you get a, a hearing date when people know they can just disappear into the interior. That's the kind of thing that actually deters people. Right.

[Teresa Payton]

I mean, well, and I, I mean, to me, this has been a problem like my, my whole life. We've never fixed this problem. People want to be in this country and they want to be here, most of them legally. And I don't know why we can't. And why can't the Republicans figure out a way to give people an easier way to get work visas? And I mean, we did it in the past with Ellis island, and that's how my family got here. I don't know why we can't fix this issue. Because nobody wants the idea of the coyotes taking people, because all the coyotes are going to do, as in the people that are coyotes, they're going to throw up drones, they're going to see where the wall is built, and they're just going to find a way around the wall and go a different direction. And you have, you have people being human trafficked because they want a better life and they're desperate. We should do a better job of making it easier for people who are desperate to have a better life to have an appointment to do the paperwork and to be here.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I, I have I, I have a different take on immigration personally. But you were going to go ahead.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I'll just. Yes. Back in the day, Ellis island, you know what, they had like 5,000amonth or something. Great. You know, not a lot. Now we have Joe Biden's 10 million in the last couple years. So it's a lot harder. A lot more people, a lot more. You need a lot more infrastructure. I agree with you. I'm okay.

[Teresa Payton]

Yeah. A lot of mismanagement over decades. Yes.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yes. So that's a challenge when you're trying to have people come in legally and then you have the just ginormous amount of legal, legal illegals coming in. It's tough to, you know, make it, make it work together, which is tough. You know, it's hard. You can. They can make it work. No, they can't make it work.

[Phil]

I always thought that the difficulty to get here was a feature, not a bug, because they want. Wanted the people that could afford it and the people, they wanted people to bring the best and the brightest here. If it's super easy for everyone to get in, then it becomes a detriment to the country because the people who come in become a net negative for society rather than. If you make it more difficult, more expensive, the people that come in are going to add to the economy rather.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Than detract from it, like brain drain.

[Phil]

And it's. And that's kind of interesting because like you said, you worked under the Bush administration and it's in my lifetime seeing the way that politics has changed on the topic of immigration, with both Republicans and Democrats at least paying lip service to the idea of fixing the border back. I mean, even Obama did in the early days of his first term talked about, strengthen, you know, strengthening the border, border security and things like that. And then 2016 rolls around and it's changed completely, but it's a much more polarizing issue because it's now downstream from the race issue and it's. How different was it back then? Was that even something that was really talked about a lot during the, the.

[Teresa Payton]

Not, not really as much when I, so I was there second half of the second term. So other things were kind of going on. But, but I mean, I remember growing up like Reagan deciding to do amnesty because we were then going to fix it and then we didn't fix it. And we've, we have to come up with the right way. And I think you're right to, to be able to say, look, we have room for X number of all these different skill sets all These different backgrounds. And we have to come up with a way to, if people want to be here legally to figure out how to make that work. And you see other countries, it's very hard to immigrate there. So like for example, Italy, you have to pass an Italian fluency test. You have to show that you're going to have work to do. You have to show that you're buying property. So to your point, there's different policies that are applied. We have to figure out in the United States what do we want to be and how do we welcome from different walks of life and how do we do that in a way where they can be legal and not be in the shadows? Because if we don't fix this issue from a policy perspective, like you said, there's a deterrent right now because we say if we catch you here illegally, you will not be allowed to apply for legal immigration. But we have to find out who do we want to be as a nation and then figure out how are we going to from a policy allow people to be here legally or deter them from trying to be here illegally because there is human trafficking and suffering that goes on. Because we haven't, we, we haven't made up our mind what we want to be.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, so to that point, I do think that the American people generally have a, an opinion that is fairly clear, or at least a majority of them do. You know, when it comes to illegal immigration, people don't like it and people don't want to have illegal immigration. They want to make sure that the border secure. They understand the risks associated with illegal immigration, whether it be human trafficking, drug smuggling, possibly smuggling terrorists in the United States. And when you're dealing with probably 15 million or so in four years, you're talking about the possibility that a foreign country could have smuggled a literal army into the United States.

[Teresa Payton]

And that's a problem.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil]

And America is the only country because of the way politics are here, mostly from the left, I.e. they are not every other country's allowed to act in their own self interest when it comes to immigration policy. America is the only country where you're supposed to be allowed to be here. Just by virtue of America existing in other countries not being as good as America, which is also being propagated by the people that are saying that America's awful. The people that are saying America is awful are telling you that these people coming from these other countries should be able to come to our supposedly awful country. Cuz it's better than the country they live in. They live in. But, whoa, you can't call their country awful because it's racist to do so. And I think that there's a lot of people that are just fed up with the double standard for a lot of that stuff, and with the way, I mean, this whole thing came up last year with the H1B visa discussion with Elon Musk, and Americans being fed up with how they feel that work is being outsourced in a lot of ways, on top of all that. And it has been a very, very long time since Americans have been allowed to put their own interests first. And it's like, look, we've got 10,000 issues we need to figure out in this country. We'll worry about. About, you know, legal immigration being a more, you know, we're gonna focus on the illegal immigration now, put a stop to that. We'll focus on getting other people the opportunity to come here once we secure everybody else in this country. And I don't think that there's anything inherently wrong with it. I get the perspective of people that want it, and I do believe that. I think one of the most important things about legal immigration is that it encourages people to come here that actually do have a strong desire to be here and they want to hold American values and all that that represents.

[Tim Pool]

But.

[Phil]

But right now, we've got a lot of bigger fish to fry, or at least it feels that way to me.

[Teresa Payton]

We do. And I will say for people who came here the right way, filled out the paperwork, paid the money, did everything, became citizens, they have said they don't like the idea that people are here illegally and that they can jump in the front of the line. Peggy Noonan wrote an op ed on this many years ago where she said the reason why illegal immigration. One of the things that's really bad about it is the first thing the person has done is they've broken our nation's law. Laws.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean, that, again, that's something that. That, you know, the American people are generally on board with. They want to see the immigration situation fixed. And to be. To be fair, like, Donald Trump has really done a lot to fix it. Like, if the. If. If the Trump administration standard were the standard for the past five, six years, we wouldn't be in the situation that we are now. We wouldn't have probably 15 million illegals. There wouldn't have been almost a half a million people. People trafficked here every year for the pat. For the four years that the Biden administration was in power, there was a.

[Phil]

Gas station down by the castle that was owned by this family from Tibet. And they would show me videos about people getting caught immigrating here illegally. And they were pissed. Like, they did not like it. They did not support it because they spent, you know, a good amount of all their family's capital to get them here so they could start a business and be, you know, know, upstanding members of society. So that's also. Again, there was a p. Did you see the post the other day on X from, like, PBS that was like, X amount.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, God.

[Phil]

I couldn't support immigration. And everybody knew that it was. It was weasel words, BS that, you know, did you actually ask them did they mean illegal or legal? But that's just more of the same garbage that we're getting from the media. It's why people don't trust them.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

They end. The left loves using we're a nation of immigrants. You know, nothing against Ellis island, but that's very false. A lot of folks moved here from European lands to get away from religious prosecution, but also to colonize, to expand themselves, to expand their future. Not to be some multiculturalism state land. They came here because they want to spread themselves and their family. So they're not here being an immigrant. They're colonizing. We're a nation of colonizers, just like Europe and England. So the lie of that we're a nation of immigrants, sure, whatever. But that's not true. You can say that, but it's very false. Because people came here because they wanted to be something. They wanted to venture and be forth and, you know, love life.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean, look, if you're coming to the United States because you want to do something you had and you're in a place where you don't have the economic freedom or you don't have the ability to do it, that's one thing. But if you're just looking to come to the United States so that way you can make an economic. Economic. You can get onto some kind of support plan that the federal government offers or whatever. That's not the kind of person that you want in the country at all. And it's not racist to say we don't want to. Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[Will]

Honestly, Will, I didn't plan any trips, but I did switch to T Mobile with their new family freedom offer.

[Tim Pool]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Will]

Well, I'm departing from AT T and embarking on a new journey with T Mobile. They paid off my family's four phones up to $3200 and gave us four new phones on the house.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Bon voyage.

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[Tim Pool]

Take people into the country just so they can get benefits from the United States. You look at what's going on in the UK right now and there are a lot of people that are, they're not going there because they want to be like the people in Great Britain. They don't look at themselves as anything other than economic migrants. They're going there because they can get on to the, the benefit rolls and they can get something from the country. That's it. And they will. They tell you that they don't go there because they think Britain is this great place. They don't go there because they have, they believe in the history of the British Empire or because they, they have some kind of affinity for the Royal family or anything like that. They go there because of the benefits.

[Teresa Payton]

It may be actually anti royal family from some of the YouTube videos that I see it seems so.

[Tim Pool]

But, and that is something, something that is like, that is abhorrent to a country that is a free country or ostensibly a free country. Right. You don't want to have people that are coming to the United States just because they're looking for an economic benefit.

[Phil]

And that era of immigration, the Ellis island era of immigration, it's from a time when there was. America was seen as something to aspire to and there was a lot of values that we all coalesced around that's largely been disbanded as this country's kind of become more fractured. Whether it's on demographics change, political change, different ideologies. People don't have that same, you know, melting pot view of what America is to coalesce around as a place where everybody can come together under the banner of the United States of America. We're largely fractured now. So all of this stuff gets infinitely more complicated when you don't even have shared value system.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So we're going to jump to some breaking news right Now Nick Sorter is reporting and we've got a clip from Fox News. The Trump administration is revoking license of the employer of the foreigner who killed three people while you turning a semi truck in Florida. Good. Hold employers accountable and they'll stop working with illegals. This is something that, let's go ahead and loves this. Yeah, this is, this speaks right to my where you had an illegal alien truck driver that got a commercial driver's license in the state of California, employed by a California company, kill three people in Florida. This guy didn't even speak English. We're bringing him up on charges. He's going to face a lot. And I can announce to Jesse that I said initially the company needs to be held accountable.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

And we've been working with the federal.

[Tim Pool]

Government and they are pulling that company's license to do business because you cannot employ somebody who cannot read the road signs for you. We have an issue where I've said this a couple of times on the show. My personal policy preferences when it comes to illegal immigration. Right. Obviously you shut down the border. You, if you pick up an illegal, you send them back. But there's the, there's something that needs to be done about the companies that are actually hiring illegals because they're the draw. Right. If you, you've got, and this is, it's good to see this happening that the Trump administration is going to revoke the license. I personally would go further. I want to see the people that are actually owners of the company, I want to see them put in jail and I want to see their, their company taken from them.

[Teresa Payton]

So I have a question, like, are they not doing the i9 process? Like, I'm an employee lawyer. I have to do an i9 for everybody that I hire?

[Tim Pool]

Apparently not.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I'm going to search that. But I don't think in California they have that rule and regulation as far.

[Tim Pool]

As, like, because they, and, and this company's hiring people to travel, you know, across state lines. So obviously the, the commerce clause is, is involved. So the federal government does have jurisdiction. But if you hire people that are illegal, you should lose your pro, your business like tall totally in, in totality because that's the only way that you're going to make it not worth hiring illegals. This guy couldn't read the signs. They did a test on him. He only identified two of 10 different signs that they showed to him.

[Teresa Payton]

How does he have a driver's license?

[Tim Pool]

That's something. Well, California gives driver's license out. He can't speak English, which I think the United States should have.

[Teresa Payton]

Like he literally passed a sign test in California.

[Tim Pool]

No, he didn't. He probably didn't pass it point. Like he probably wasn't tested properly or he did he or someone just said, well you know, here you go, because we feel bad for immigrants or I don't want to get called a racist or this is just the policy of California. I don't know the details about how he actually got it, but on the, on site they gave him a, they gave him a test. He couldn't read signs. He can't speak English, which is something that I've been railing about that the uni and I It was before the Trump administration said that they were going to make. Donald Trump said that he was going to. He made that executive order that said the, that English is the official language of the United States. That needs to be done by Congress and there should be no paperwork produced by the federal government in any other language except for English. This is exactly why he couldn't read the signs. He didn't. I mean whether or not he knew he was supposed to get, you know, whether or not he knew it was illegal for a U turn doesn't matter. But he's, he was here illegally. He couldn't reading, couldn't speak English, couldn't read the signs. The company.

[JJ Harris]

Oh, sorry. Sorry. I was going to say like I have, I brought this stuff up. He crossed here illegally. He was fast tracked for deportation in 2018. Like the stuff about this guy goes on and on. Like I read somewhere else just recently. I'm trying, I was trying to get information about the, some of the stuff that he did release on $5,000.

[Teresa Payton]

Immigration had to know what they were hiring.

[JJ Harris]

It's crazy. Like he didn't. He, like he got most of the questions wrong on this tests like for the CDL itself. So like he, he wasn't supposed to be driving at all.

[Tim Pool]

This, this guy and, and people have lost their lives because of it. The, the guy should get, the guy should go to jail for the rest of his life. The driver and the com. The company that hired him, they should lose their b. Not just their license but all of his property. Like all of the business property. They have no problem. There's. And I don't have a problem with this either. They have no problem stripping all kinds of property away from people that are dealing with drugs. They have no problem taking all kinds of property away from people that have, have, that have gotten acquired their wealth through fraud. They take all that away. Why not for people that hired. That hire illegals. If you hire illegals, you should lose your property because that's the only way to make sure that companies don't think it's worth hiring illegals.

[Teresa Payton]

What state did he did those. I first, first of all, the poor families that lost three loved ones. Like, we don't want to roll over the fact that we have families who have people that are not coming home and they don't get to hug them again. And that is horrible. So did this happen in Florida?

[Tim Pool]

This happened in Florida, yeah.

[Teresa Payton]

So it'll be interesting to see from a court perspective because this happened. So there's the federal piece, then there's the Florida court piece. It'll be interesting to see. Can you try the owner of the company for vehicular manslaughter of three? Basically, it's vehicular manslaughter of three individuals. And so it'll be interesting to see because basically he put this person behind the wheel and shouldn't have.

[Phil]

And I'm guessing he's making a lot less money than people who are here legally. The. This employee. Pardon me, like, I'm guessing this employee was making a lot less money because he was. Was here.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Phil]

The other thing about most of this issue with a lot of, maybe not with this one specifically is like, because of a mixture of like, far left, we don't believe in borders policy and bleeding heart liberalism, which tells you that, you know, we have to let everyone in because they have been, you know, you know, they are oppressed elsewhere. We need to let them in and invite them here, but not bring them here, not even encourage them to come here legally. You're creating a slave class of people who do not have to, you know, you know, be paid at the regular rates, which, like Phil said, if these companies can bring them in illegally and pay them under the table, they will. They'll always try to get away with it. And it's been nefariously pushed forward in a way now where it's shown as a good thing to create an entire class of people who are ostensibly slaves.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Democrats love caste system. Like, they love the caste system. But answer your question. Yes. N9NI9 is is required in California. San. Your question just so we're 100% on that chat.

[Phil]

So they're just illegal. Then this whole.

[Tim Pool]

And that's, that's. I, if I understand correctly, that's fairly typical.

[Phil]

And if, if again, if it's the fine is so minimal, they'll like we'll just risk it.

[Tim Pool]

That's. And that's, again, that's why I think that there should be the most harsh pun punishments imaginable. You should lose your entire business. And. And the same goes for people that rent to illegals. If you were found to have rented an apartment to an illegal, you lose your. Your property, you lose that, that rental location.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I thought that was harsh at first the other day, but I'm like, I'm totally aboard, brother. You know what I mean? Let's go America F these people.

[Tim Pool]

Because the whole point is you need to disincentivize people from coming here. And this is actually the more compassionate way, because now we've got so many people that are seeing videos of ice. ICE going and raiding apartments and picking people up. And you have people freaking out because ICE is hurting people and they're tearing families apart and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If you don't want that to happen, the next best thing is deterring people from coming here, Making the people that are here illegally, right, Instead of going to pick them up and having ICE have to put hands on and fighting with people or grabbing them after they come out of court for their hearing or whatever, which is something that the left is freaking out about about now. Make it so that way they can't find a place to live. Make it so that way people are like, you're not. If you can't prove to me that you're here legally, I'm not renting to you because I don't want to lose my whole apartment building. Take it from them.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Ship them all to Minnesota. Because I've seen videos of people living in Minnesota and it's freezing out and they're like, from Africa. They're like, I can't live in this cold weather. You're kidding me. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Look, man, if you're putting hands on them, don't. Don't ship them to Minnesota. Ship them to home. The point.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

You know what I mean?

[Tim Pool]

But the point being being the more and the more you do this, if you. If people that are here illegally can't find places to live, can't find places to work, and they. People that are outside of the US that are looking to come here, if they know they can't find a place that, to get a job or if they. They know they won't be able to get a place to live, they won't come. The people that are here will be like, I can't work here. I need to go home. Another thing is tax remittances at 95%. If you want to send, come here, work and then send money back to your home, your country of origin, why should we allow that? We've got $37 trillion in in debt. Take that money from them. The government has no problem doing any of this stuff. They do it to people all the time. Civil asset forfeiture if you've got cash in your car and you get pulled over because you're going to buy a car or for whatever reason, the government will just, you know, the police station will just take your cash. They'll say that's our cars. Now if, if the government can do that they have. There should be no problem with taxing remittances at 95. If the government can take your property because they think it's ill gotten gains from whatever reason, drugs for, from any kind of illegal illicit activity, take their property for hiring for for employing or hiring illegals as well.

[JJ Harris]

Dude, this is crazy. I did a little bit of digging and I found this article from June 20th or updated on the 25th of June in 2025 and this guy Rama.

[Tim Pool]

Until let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[Will]

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[Tim Pool]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Will]

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[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Bon voyage.

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[JJ Harris]

Mobile and I guess a Punjabi guy was talking to to Joe Biden and said that when they rolled this Biden Harris trucking action plan out with his administration it was a coming crisis. So this is in June 25th when this is written and this happened in 2019. I highlighted this thing right here where he basically this is the guy I think this is him right here who's also seek like the guy who was a Driver. But he points out that they repeatedly tried to tell the Biden administration that the bigger problem is you're just issuing these licenses when they don't, they don't know English enough to pass the exam. He's like, give me a reason why you wanted to test and put Joby. Most of the schools in California have opened up schools in Utah because in Utah there's third party testing. Like, he literally pointed it out that this is going to happen a month or so before, if not like a while before. And like here we are, it's happening. All the stuff that they've been saying for so long, it's all literally coming to fruition. All the stuff we said is this is going to be bad. This is going to be bad. It's going to be bad.

[Tim Pool]

It's all. And whether it's an illegal committing murder. Yeah. Rapes and murders, which you see, you hear stories frequently about, or whether you, whether it's an illegal, illegal here that gets into a car accident or any number of other terrible things that happen that wouldn't have happened if that person wasn't here. Forget about any of the other stuff, not whether it's intentional or a crime or whatever, just the fact that because that person was inside the United States, these things happened. Whether they're crimes or accidents, those are things that do not have to, to happen. They did not have to happen if the government had done what it's supposed to do, which is enforce the border, enforce the restriction on people coming into the United States and actually follow the law. And Democrats love to say no one's above the law, but they will let foreign immigrants, criminal aliens, they will let them skirt the law so that way they can have more people. And I truly believe this is the case. The reason they want to have more people in the United States is for the census so that way they can get more representation for Democrats in the, in the Congress. That was the whole point of it. The, the Health and Human Services, the Bureau of Health and Human Services had a program called the Refugee Resettlement Program where they would ship people in, they would literally put them on planes, ship them all over the country, ship them to purple states and ship them to blue states again because they want those censuses numbers. It wasn't about as much as I do think that there were probably people that are voting illegally. I don't think that they were illegally voting in numbers great enough to actually affect the outcome of the elections. But I don't think that that was the plan. The plan was to get the kind of representation in Congress because of the sense through the census. You know, if you increase the number of people in blue states, you increase the number of people in purple states, you can get better representation on the Democrat side in Congress. You know, when the census comes through because the way the, that the, the census is done or the way that the representation in Congress is, is counted is not by citizens. It's, they just count the people. So it doesn't matter if you're citizens. It's unimportant. So I think that the, the repercussions for hiring or essentially harboring illegals, whether they're renting or whether you're giving them, giving them a job, I think that stiffer than they are. I love the fact that the Trump administration is going to revoke the license of this company that, that, that hired this guy. But I don't think it's enough. They should take their property, they should take all their trucks.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

That's why you're going to be working for Kristi Noem, my friend. That's why she's going to show up.

[Phil]

In a trucker hat.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Look at how, look at all shirt on.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Before I move on to get some facts right out of night, basically 2,000 miles of the Mexican US border, we have about a hundred miles of border done. It's not a lot.

[Phil]

So how about we get the rest of the border built, then we'll worry about what color it is.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I, I could, I rock with that. And then in the, in the words of a beautiful woman who has my heart and soul, Kamal Harris, don't come.

[Phil]

Don'T come, don't come.

[Tim Pool]

You know, so. All right, we're going to jump to this next story from the Post. Millennial breaking woke Target CEO resigns amid boycotts, declining sales Target announced Wednesday that longtime chief executive Brian Cornell will step down next year as the retailer deals with sales declines and stacking controversies from both sides of the political aisle. Chief Operating officer Michael Fiddickle has been named as his successor, reports CNN. Cornell took over in 2014 and was credited with bringing life to the brand a decade ago, but has struggled in recent years as Target face drops in revenues in the post pandemic economy. In the first quarter of 2025, sales fell more Shar have warned that the downward trend is likely to continue throughout the end of the year. The retailer, which operates nearly 2,000 stores nationwide, has blamed consumer spending amid economic uncertainty and tariffs. The company has been hit by boycotts that have taken a toll Customers objected to its diversity and inclusion initiatives, which the company paired back in January after criticism from conservatives and the White House. At the same time, Target has faced backlash and from progressives. The Guardian reported in July that many black Americans were boycotting large retailers, including Target and Amazon, while a petition drive earlier in the year gathered more than 250,000 CH signatures from customers pledging to stop shopping at Target. The cultural battles intensified with the release of Pride merchandise in 2023, including the children's items and Tuck friendly swimsuits, which triggered a conservative lead boycott. That campaign, combined with a resurfaced 2015 advertisement advertisement featuring children in a Pride Month promotion, fueled further outrage. The video, which ends with the line, we're not born with pride. We take pride in celebrating who we were born to be, has circulated widely online in recent weeks, renewing criticism from opponents. It is never a good idea to have children involved with LGBT stuff because children are not sexual being beings. That is. That should be something that is as obvious as any other obvious thing. As plain as the nose on my face, right? Like, it is super simple. You do not a business. Nobody should be sexualizing children. And the LGBT lobby, the LGBT groups, that is their whole existence is based on sexualization. That's why people have had such a. A. A legitimate and negative reaction to things like LGBT story or drag queen story time. Why does a drag queen want to read stories to children? Like, the children don't need a drag queen to read stories to them. Why are drag queens demanding access to children? The. The response from the parents was correct. This is insane.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

They look like fake fairies. I mean, that's your question. They look like weird crazy beings in this.

[Tim Pool]

Look like monsters to me.

[Phil]

So like you're going to go outside of Target right now and there's going to be people celebrating. There's going to be like a conservative person and like a blue haired person. They're both going to be cheering for the demise of Target. It's the first time they've had something in common in a long time.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

But it's not blue haired, apparently. It's black Americans. It's.

[Phil]

I mean, I saw. I mean I saw a lot of different, like progressive people for a long time have been talking about, about boycotting Target because of their rolling back of DEI policy.

[Tim Pool]

She was painting. I. I got this. Just got this from Kellen. Sorry, it's.

[Phil]

Of course she was. She had the paint roll.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Wait, wait.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, she was actually. She was actually painting.

[Phil]

You know, hopefully she. Seriously. Or was that A.I.

[Tim Pool]

Kellen sent? It could be A.I.

[Phil]

Okay, if it's real, then she did like three. She did this three times.

[Tim Pool]

And then I think it's real.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Wheel.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. I'll send it to Serge.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

But Target's not a big. It's always suburban white women I've ever seen there. I've not. That's what. That's what Target is, and that's what it's always been. I don't know if you have any opinions on Target. Do you shop at Target for yourself and your youngins?

[Teresa Payton]

It's not my. It's not my go to place. I mean, I go there if I have to, but typically I shop it like, if I need school supplies, we typically pick Walmart first over Target.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

You have good decor. You ever go to the decor section of Target? Yeah, yeah, that's the best.

[Teresa Payton]

No, I have been in there. They've got the Chip and Joanna Gains stuff is in the home decor section, right?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I don't know. I think there's a big controversy with this.

[Phil]

Yeah, like, it's. I mean, Target's been. Roll. Like, has had problems. I'm guessing Amazon played a huge role in using a lot of business, too. More than anything.

[Tim Pool]

Like, you think it's more than the boycotts and stuff?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I. I tend to feel like. Like outside. Outside of Bud Light, it feels like every boycott falls very, very flat most of the time.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's real, man.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Oh, really?

[Phil]

You know, like, she. She did that twice and she's like, get this thing off me.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

She's got an extension, bro.

[Phil]

She's like, did you get the photo? I got the photo.

[Tim Pool]

She. She is the best. She's my favorite cosplayer.

[Phil]

She is. She.

[Tim Pool]

Is she really?

[Phil]

Is she a skin suit of 10,000 different jobs?

[Tim Pool]

I love it. I love it in full makeup every time.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yes, yes.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

The south park nailed it for her. Yeah.

[Phil]

Oh, there you go.

[Tim Pool]

But the. So the. The stuff about Target, right, Like, they're getting hit from both sides because there were. First, there was the people that were, in my opinion, legitimately. Yeah. Legitimately outraged about the LGBT stuff that they were putting up. A lot of the. The artists that they had designing some of the LGBT stuff for, again, for. For that were for children. Right. I don't think the tuck stuff was actually the tuck swimsuits that they were talking about. I don't think that was actually for children, but they were on sale near the children's stuff. But, like, the. The designs, there was some really questionable designs that the artist had done in other Context as well. And of course people went and they found it. A lot of it was a lot of Satanist stuff and a lot of, a lot of some really, really things that like, look, I'm a 50 year old guy that's like, I got, I'm from, I'm in a metal band and my background is in some of the most offensive death metal from the 90s, so it doesn't shock me. But you know, when you're dealing with parents that have children at Target and they're buying, you know, they're going to buy stuff, they're going to be, they're going to be selective about what kind of things they want to see their kids on. And it makes sense. Where was that thing you had Serge? That was.

[Teresa Payton]

No, you're right because I mean when you do go into a Target for school supplies, because you get the list, this is back to school time. Right? And so, and I don't know when this display was happening, but typically when you walk in the front door to the left is where the children's section usually is, is towards the front and it. And you have to walk past the children's section to get to the school supplies. Usually at least the stores in North Carolina.

[Phil]

I just feel like, look, post pandemic people were, people were kind of programmed out of shopping in stor. Amazon has taken over a huge amount of the marketplace. I just feel like that more than these boycotts, which I bet you if you went on the street tomorrow and you asked a bunch of normies like what they think of Target, they're not going to bring up tucking swimsuits and they're not going to bring up DEI policies. They're going to say I go to Amazon.

[Tim Pool]

No, Well, I tell you, it is, it is true. But I do think like Target's delivery service, like it is as every bit as, as fast and as quality as Amazon. Amazon's easier because of the app, I think, but the, the service from, from, from Target is very good. So from the post Millennial, they were saying at the same time, Target has faced backlash from the progressives. The Guardian reported in July that many black Americans were boycotting large retailers, including Target and Amazon, while a petition drive earlier in the year gathered more than 250,000 signatures. Stop to. 250,000 signatures from consumers pledging to stop shopping at Target. Look, that's a lot of the boycott against these. The ending of de stuff. Yes, right. So progressives are saying, look, if you're not going to basically, you know, use unfair hiring Practices. We're not going to shop at your store. I don't imagine just because of numbers, right? The number of people that would be shopping at Target, like the number or the number of black Americans that there are in comparison to the number of white and Hispanic and Asian Americans. I don't think that this is actually a compelling boycott. This is probably something they're going to make a bunch of noise about. But I can't imagine that this actually actually has an effect on the, the sales that that Target has.

[Phil]

It does better for your Internet engagement if you want to talk about this stuff than it does actually affect their, their bottom line for the most part. At least I would imagine that that's true.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

And knowing, knowing just black people in general, they are not lgbtq, AI plus friendly. Yeah, they are. You know they are. That is not their cup of tea. So they, if they're going to boycott Target, it would be more, more for the tuck friendly for them walking into the stores, if they go into the stores ever. It says trans people exists. We are here now, today.

[Phil]

And it's like it's a petition and it's like a Change.org petition has changed exactly zero things in the history of the world. So I don't think people are buying that. I think that the Internet becoming a more prominent place to shop has taken more of that.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah, well.

[Teresa Payton]

And isn't the American consumer pulling back a little bit? Have there been some discussions around, around buy now, pay later plans and also, and also, you know, pulling back a little bit on spending. So I wonder if we compared Target in store sales to Walmart in store sales and other kind of similar retails if that's down. And I think you're right, the, the online shopping, it's a thing. So there's certain things that people are just going to buy online now because they got used to it during the pandemic.

[Phil]

Well, yeah, and like a big part of the selling point point for women, like for women was like we go for one thing, I leave with $200 worth of stuff.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Right.

[Phil]

But if they're not going to the store at all anymore, cuz they're staying at home and they're buying their stuff there. I mean, sure, certainly you'll still get the ones that go do that, but just not in the numbers that you were getting before.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah, freaking broads.

[Phil]

Thank you for that.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

That would help out.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think we got time for one more. Do we got time for one more story here? I'm not sure that I don't know well, let's, let's dive into it real quick. From the New York Post Ex Space Force Sergeant Oris sure sentenced to 54 years in prison for fatally shooting suspected teen car thief A former US Space Force sergeant who fired multiple rounds at two suspected carjackers outside his home, killing a 14 year old has been sentenced to over half a century in jail or as sure 29 became emotional as he apologized for murdering 14 year old Xavier Kirk before he he was sentenced to 54 years in prison for the 2023 fatal shooting the Adams, Broomfield County's District Attorney's Office announced. I'm sorry for the events that occurred that night, for the pain, for the grief and trauma that have followed, and for the impact that my case had on so many lives, a tearful churl told Aurora, Colorado courtroom on August 15th. The deadly shooting also left a 13 year old hospitalized. Shore. A technical sergeant with the U.S. space Force based in Aurora was awakened by a car alarm outside his apartment at 11pm July 5, 2023. The then 27 year old grabbed a pistol, ran outside to his Hyundai Elantra where he spotted two people dressed in all black attempting to break into the car. Sure confronted the individuals, but the would be carjackers fled in another car. The sergeant gave chase in his car and fired multiple rounds at the teens. The fleeing car crashed into the backyard fence of a home four blocks south of Schur's residence. Kirk and his teen accomplices helped out of the damaged car and began running away as sure continued to fire. Kirk was found suffering from a gunshot wounds to the head and back. He was transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead. The 13 year old who was driving the getaway car was shot in the back and managed to get to a relative's house before being brought to the hospital and survived. Shur was arrested after the shooting and charged with first degree murder and first degree attempted murder. A juror found the discharge Space Force sergeant guilty of the lesser crimes of second degree murder and second degree attempt. Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel to tips.

[Will]

Honestly Will, I didn't plan any trips, but I did switch to T Mobile with their new Family Freedom offer.

[Tim Pool]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Will]

Well, I'm departing from AT&T and embarking on a new journey with T Mobile. They paid off my family's four phones up to $3200 and gave us four new phones on the house.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Bon voyage.

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[Tim Pool]

Did murder on June 16th during the trial, sure claimed the two potential carjackers had shot first and he was acting in self defense. Investigators found 11 shell casings were fired, all by sure included. There was no evidence that either teen was armed during the robbery. Robbery Adams County District Court Judge Karen Dats argued the trained military sergeant should have known not to take lethal action, CBS News Colorado reported. The former sergeant faced up to 80 years in jail. This was a vigilante violent this was vigilante violence at its wor and now a young man is dead, said Adams and Broomfield County District Attorney Brian Mason. The defendant took the law into his own hands, chased down a fleeing vehicle and opened fire on its occupants. A 14 year old boy will now never grow up because of the defendant's actions. Kirk's family called out sure during the hearing, questioning why he shot at unarmed boys. What Mr. Sure did to my son and his friend to chase them down and execute him over a car that they didn't even take is ludicrous, kirk's father told the courtroom. Other relatives deflected from the teens bridge raise an attempt attempted carjacking to focus on sure shooting. You know kids make mistakes and so I always teach my kids in my family like my nephews and nieces about consequences and repercussions, said another relative, the outlet reported. We're not trying to excuse any wrongdoing of Xavier or wrong they were involved in the part that's messed up is or as sure as car was never stolen. Look obviously this guy had done you know it was a terrible outcome idea to chase them down. Shooting at them driving down the down the road is a like that is begging for for a problem. It's begging for innocent people to get hurt. It was terribly dangerous. I'm not sure if 54 years is the right sentence but you know look he killed a kid, you know so that is true. I will say that I think that if there were were more or more significant consequences to people that were, you know to to young kids that were Breaking the law. This might not have happened because look, there are a lot of kids out there that actually break the law because they say, look, man, nothing's going to happen to me. I'm a kid, I'm a teen. And there are people that are. And I. Not that this is one of those cases. I don't, I don't, I don't think that this is, this is indicative of this. But there are people out there that will have kids go do things. Things because they're young, because if they get caught, the sentence will be. Won't be long. And because if they get caught, the. It'll be wiped from their record when they turn 18. So it's, it's really using children to violate the law, you know, and it's, it's using them, manipulating them into doing things that they shouldn't be doing that will only make them into or only make them more likely to commit crime in the future. Do you guys have a sense that this is, is that this is something that. Do you think that he, he got the sentence he deserved or.

[Phil]

I mean, I think long prison terms for the kids is going to put them into the criminal industrial complex forever anyways. So I mean, as we know, like, once, once you're, Once you have a felony on your record, it's very, very hard to get out from under that if you try to go back to being an upstanding member of society. 54 years was for what it was for the, it was for the secondary degree murder. So for second degree murder with in the. One kid died, but the other one didn't.

[Tim Pool]

One kid died, one kid did not deny.

[Phil]

Yes, that's. I mean, that's awful. Like he shouldn't, like he shouldn't have chased them down. And I'm sure that there's going to be some people saying along the lines of what you're saying, but once they're off your property, and this isn't something like Castle doctrine, this is not something that most people are going to be able to find defensible in any way.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I think a lot of folks will like say, hey, it's white guy shot these kids.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

So he's getting more, more prison time. But like, you're saying, like, we're all, like, we're all thinking like the dude chased him.

[Phil]

He's also responsible for his own actions.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah, he chased the freaking kids down.

[Phil]

They were stupid. They shouldn't have been doing that. But the second you leave your property and you go after this, you're begging the consequences and anybody that owns firearms will tell you that that's a great responsibility to carry. And if you're going out and doing this, like, what was his sight line? Could he even see what was in front of him? What if his bullet had passed?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, look, I, I don't know. I don't know exactly how trained this guy is, but it's not like Space Force.

[Phil]

It said Space Force. I was like, did they steal a spaceship? Is that relevant to this story?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I mean, that's a big deal. Then that would be. Oh, you know what I mean?

[Tim Pool]

Look it, like just moving and shooting is difficult, right? If you're walking and shooting and getting accurate hits on a target that's, you know, even if you're only 10 yards, 15 yards away, if you're walking, like, that's not super easy. Like it's, it's actually fairly difficult to, to be accurate with a handgun, the three and a half, four inch barrel, you know, and to be able to hit your target consistently. So driving, it's not the movies. You know, the idea that you're, you're going to sit there and have a handgun out the window and drive with the other hand and, and make accurate shots like, that's just not happening.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I looked up to see if he was drinking. Like, why would you chase these people down the street? I mean they went see to still and it. The family says they didn't steal a car, which is stupid argument. They were going to steal the car. So don't use that argument. Family. But they shouldn't be dead, by the way. But yeah, that's a terrible argument. But what. Why is he chasing these people down the road shooting at them? I don't get, you know, bro, it's awful.

[Teresa Payton]

I mean, he should have called 911. Yeah, he could have. If he wanted to, quote, take matters into his own hands. He should have taken photographs, video, you know, whatever. But getting in a car with a weapon and shooting while driving.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

He was in a car. I missed that part.

[Teresa Payton]

He was driving after them. So he hopped in his own car and drove. And I'm like, what do you think? What do you think you're doing? Who do you think you are? And again, like the casual. We have a life lost his. He's going to spend all this time in jail. We have a family who had to bury their child, child. And so arguably they were doing something wrong. And he, you know, those kids need rehabilitation. You know, the, the kid that lived. People need to watch out for him and help him along. So that he can not have a life of crime. But he could have like, the devastation could have been way worse. Yeah, he could have hit all kinds of bystanders doing this. And so for, I mean, I think they had to say he's going to spend basically the rest of his life in jail because you can't have people taking matters into their own hands like that.

[Phil]

And those are like two, like what Phil brought up before about like if the punishments were more severe for the kids. So like those are, they're vastly separate discussions. And just the fact that he went after them is where most people are going to draw their line. You know, you could have a whole discussion about people who get shot when they break into your home. And everybody here and most rational people are going to say, well, you broke into another person's home. What the hell did you expect to happen? Right. But the second. And again, this is a nuanced discussion where the second you leave the property, the immediate threat to your own life is gone, is no longer there, and it becomes a completely different situation in the eyes of the law. So to me, the discussion about the deterrence, about their, you know, if, if they were charged at a higher rate or maybe charges adults, that it seems, seems kind of small in comparison to what this guy actually did, which was something vastly different than most people are going to accept.

[Tim Pool]

You mentioned call 911. I do wonder if the fact that police, they don't solve crimes anymore. And I do wonder if police actually put any effort into trying to figure out who does this stuff. It's my sense that, you know, if you, most people don't expect the police to do anything. Yeah, generally. Right. Like if you ask people what do you think the cops are going to do, they're just like, I'm not going to do anything. And a lot of cops will tell you that, you know, especially, especially the larger. The city or the, the, the municipality that you're in, if you're dealing with a big, big town. Like, I mean, if this is actually in Boulder, they're not doing anything. They're the of kind cops. Be like, you called and two kids tried to break, you know, steal my car. Did they take your car? No. Why are you calling us? And, and that's part of the problem. That's the problem too, the dismissiveness of the police department. Well, why are you calling us? We're not gonna. Your car didn't get taken. You know, the fact that people feel like they're just waiting to be victimized. Now, again, this guy Totally, you know, broke the law. He went way, way beyond, beyond anything reasonable. But I do think that it's, that it's probably because that's kind of the, the feeling of all we're doing is waiting to be victimized and the police don't do anything. The police don't prevent crime, they don't try to solve crimes. They don't try to go after the people. And it probably boils down to more the district attorneys and the judicial branch than the actual law enforcement enforcement.

[Phil]

Because not prosecuting.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, not prosecuting. Letting kids go. Letting people go. Because I'm sure he didn't know exactly how old this kid was. He wasn't sure that he was a young person. But they're going to look at this and say, look, the cops don't do anything. That's, that's just the fact of the matter. The cops aren't going to do anything. They're not stopping the crime. They're not, they're not picking up kids. The kids that do get picked up, they don't actually. And nothing happens to them because they're just kids or because the. There are soft on crime DAs. You know, I think that that's likely what this guy was thinking and it doesn't, doesn't make anything better. But do you guys think that there's any policy that can fix this aside from people trying to get better days? And if that is the case, how do you get better days?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

This happened under Joe Biden in 2023, the great unifier. And Joe Biden would have told him to shoot him in the legs. That's probably what he should have done.

[Phil]

That's exactly what.

[Tim Pool]

Shoot the shotgun in the air. Yeah, I mean like so. Yeah, I don't, I don't see how, how there's, how this is going to change unless you get proper law enforcement. And that includes, you know, the judicial side.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I know it's super Tom, real quick, but yeah, you need consequences and you need, you need consequences for people's actions.

[Phil]

Well, if the, so if the these, how old were were they again?

[Tim Pool]

One was 14, 13 or something.

[Phil]

15 and 13. So they would have been prosecuted for working if they had been arrest. If he'd called the cops, done everything as he was supposed to be. The cops magically show up in 10 seconds just as they're pulling out of his driveway. They're getting arrested for what? Grand theft auto? No, not even, like it's just auto theft. No, I'm, I'm saying like if it actually, if it had Gone that way. They stole the car, they're back backing out of his driveway. The cops pull up, you're under arrest. They're in jail for what, two, three years?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I think they might get let off.

[Phil]

Because they're young, because, because the best thing you can hope for is that they end up in jail for a couple of years rather than just not being prosecuted at all. Theoretically, then supposedly they learn the error of their ways while, while in jail. And that's like the best you can hope for because they're minors.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean if, if you don't, you don't have, if you don't have proper law enforcement and that includes prosecution and, and jail, then you're going to have a population that feels like they're not going to be protected by the, the state and they'll want to take the law into their own hands. And I mean there is an argument that to be made that's like, look, if people don't do feel like they can defend their own property and again, not in this context. Yeah, this context exactly is. It's clear you do chasing people down the street. But if, if, if a society says, look, if you try to steal people's stuff, you know, then you're going, you're risking some kind of self defense situation. Right. If you're, everyone knows that if you go into someone's house that you know, like you said, it's generally thought of. But even that there are some states where you're, we can't, New Jersey, Mexico, Massachusetts, I don't know about California, but if you go into someone's home in certain states you have to retreat, leave the house if you can leave and get out.

[Phil]

And that happens a lot with people when you get your concealing carrier.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil]

Because they have to talk about in a lot of states like, even if, even if you have a justifiable threat against your life, if you get a DA that wants to, they'll prosecute anyways.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil]

People don't feel like they can defend them.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. No matter what happens, you're probably going, if you have to use your handgun or your gun in a, in a self defense situation, even if it's in your own house, you're probably going to have to get, get arrested. They're probably going to take that weapon from you. They might take all your guns while you are, while the, the process is ongoing. Right. So nobody really wants to use a gun in their, in their house because the government will, is going to do government things. Now you can defend yourself and be Found not guilty of murder or maybe they'll find that it was justifiable. But you're still going to have to pay a boatload of money, right? Like you're still going to have to pay a quarter of a million dollars in legal fees and, and, and lawyer fees.

[Teresa Payton]

Reputation.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And you know, I mean it's, it's, it's not good to have to defend yourself in court ever. It's not good to ever have to defend yourself from a violent attacker. But it is better than ending up.

[Phil]

Dead in the context, in that, that story specifically, specifically, that kind of hypothetical has really demoralized a lot of people where they feel like the criminals are better protected than your average everyday working class citizen.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And that's, I think that this is emblematic of that. Whereas even though he did the wrong thing, broke, broke plenty of laws and it's probably justified that he goes to jail, that doesn't change the fact that he probably felt like this was justified because the government wasn't going to do anything for him.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

And if the AG and everyone keeps going on this path, I think I said this couple years ago, Vigilantes, vigilantes are going to be on the rise. It was like a thing.

[Phil]

The couple outside of their house with the guns, with the horrible trigger. Discipline.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean one of them wasn't a real gun.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Wait, what was a fake? It was like a lighter?

[Tim Pool]

No, his, his AR was real, but her, whatever handgun she had wasn't a real gun. If it was, if it was a real gun, it was ar, a, a disabled gun. Like there was something that, that, like it was a plugged barrel or something.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I didn't know that.

[Tim Pool]

So. All right, I think we're going to go to super chats right now. So smash the like button, share the show with all your friends, head on over to rumble.com and become a member there. So you can join us for the after show which is uncensored and we can say things that we're not allowed to say on YouTube and also head on over to Timcast.com and become a member of the Discord. So that way you can call in, talk to our guests, talk to the panel. You can also find like minded individuals. You can meet people in the Discord. There's a bunch of rooms, there's a bunch of podcasts that have gotten started there. There's probably four or five different podcasts. There's pre shows, there's after shows, there's late shows that are all Tim cast members and maybe you will Meet a significant other. I think we got three people that are married that have met in the distance. Discord. So.

[Teresa Payton]

Wow. It's better than dating apps.

[Tim Pool]

It is. It is. It's not a hookup app.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Successful, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. It's not about. About just hooking up or swiping. No, never mind. No, we, we, we're not, we're not looking. We're not looking to facilitate hookups even if Raymond is down Marine. But right now we're gonna head on. We're gonna go to super chats. There is one, one guy that sent us a boatload of super chats. Thank you, Eric Shaver. We're not reading them because there's so many of them, but you sent like six or something like that or you sent them on both YouTube and Rumble. So we saw him and, and we appreciate you.

[Phil]

Is he having trouble yesterday on the show? There was all sorts of funny business going on.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, I think that's through. I think that he just had. Had money that he wanted to part with or something. So my Venmo.

[Phil]

No, I'm just kidding.

[Tim Pool]

There you go.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Reminds me of myself back in 2023 from.

[Tim Pool]

From Conrad Marcinek. Is that it marks Mark Sinek. Anyways, you can say my name. Why are we not talking about arming and mandating it that all schools should have proper security? We have the votes. Seems like reps want to moan rather than get the real thing done. Reps. Republicans do want to moan. That is generally the truth. I think that the Democrats generally say things like, oh, we don't want guns around our kids and. And play up the. The idea that kids are going to be scarred. One of the things that they like to say is things like, oh, look, if kids see guns, they're not going to be able to learn the part of the way that they got no guns in school zones. One of the. And I don't know that it was. May not have been actually may not have been successful, but they were trying this argument. They said, look, let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[Will]

Honestly, Will, I didn't plan any trips, but I did switch to T Mobile with their new family freedom offer.

[Tim Pool]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Will]

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[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Bon voyage.

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[Tim Pool]

The the the government's lawyer said look, we don't think that people should be allowed to exercise their second amendment if you're in a school zone because if kids are in a, in a school and there are people that have guns around, this will affect their ability to learn. And their ability learn means that that will directly affect interstate commerce. They use the commerce clause clause as justification to prohibit guns from from school zones. So now again, I don't recall if they were successful but that's what the, the government likes to do. They like to say look, the commerce clause, that's the thing and the argument of you know, kids are so sensitive and if they see guns, that's an argument they've used before. And it's, that's the argument that Democrats make as to why you don't want armed guards around schools. So let's see. CVA Buck says I'm a computer engineer at a nuclear plant. It's worse than you think. Big Data is building next to rural nuclear plants and poaching employees for significant raises. Raises and mortgage level sign on bonuses.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Oh wow.

[Tim Pool]

I would like to know more what you're talking about. If one second he said Big dad is building next to rural nuclear plants and poaching. What kind of, what kind of employees would would a, a big data center be poaching from a nuclear plant?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

I mean maintenance or I mean that's.

[Teresa Payton]

I mean or maybe to build their own small nuclear that could be to power just the data center so they have their own source.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

And I'm not talking janitors. I mean like real maintenance. No offense, but even.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean just when you said maintenance, I'm, I'm thinking like are you going to give a maintenance person a house? Like a bonus?

[Phil]

That's $80,000 sign on bonuses for D.C.

[Tim Pool]

Police, $250,000 sign on bonus.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

You can buy a house with the, with the trades going down the ish, bro. I can tell you from firsthand maintenance is, is a good paying job if you know what you're doing in, in the industrial world.

[JJ Harris]

Yeah.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

So straight up.

[JJ Harris]

So read this one right here. This one right directly underneath that.

[Tim Pool]

Sovereign Fish says everyone on the show is literally just talking to each other in headphones right now.

[JJ Harris]

Headlines.

[Tim Pool]

Headlines. Right now. They're putting on Dunning Kruger Clinic. They're laughably off base on the data center power consumption.

[JJ Harris]

Okay. Yeah, like, I'm just pointing out, like. Yeah, we don't, we don't. We're, we're asking questions and like trying to learn more about it. We don't know about it. That's, that's the point. Yeah, of course we're off base. Like, we're not experts in that field.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you for the $10.

[JJ Harris]

Thank you.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah, my, my background is data center analysis.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I'm, I'm not sure what, what, what. I'm not sure what he's expecting.

[Teresa Payton]

I mean, the, the thing is, is all Americans are going to be impacted if we don't have the right energy policy. So that, that really is what it comes down to. So if we don't have the right energy policy, we're not going to be an economic power as it relates to technology. That's. And, and, and if we aren't going to open up our energy policy and we pursue our ambitions around being a technology powerhouse and in the world, then small business, hospitals, residential areas could potentially suffer because our power sources can't handle it all. So I think that's, that's the impact that it has.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Boom. Teresa Got it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, it's like, like we were saying earlier, like, power generation is probably the most important thing that the United States, the federal government, should be doing with the. When it comes to energy infrastructure because without being able to generate enough power, we're not going to be able to, to compete against China when it comes to AI. And AI is the actual. It's going to be the biggest thing definitely in our, in all of our lives. So let's see here. Shane H. Wilder says Texas redistricting bill passed 88 to 52. Texas Dems are already preparing for lawsuits on the basis of race, which will go nowhere since the lawsuit for the 2021 redistricting still hasn't been heard. Look, I mean, if, if they vote for it. Right. If the, the legislature votes for it, I don't understand how they think that they'd be able to undo it, considering there's no, there's no basis for this being a race issue.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Is that why they left in the first place back a couple years ago? I Keep bringing up that chat was telling me that you know, 50 people left. Was that because of 20, 21 redistricting or.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they were, they were. Yeah. Well I don't know. I don't know if it was redistricting to be honest with you. I'm not sure.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Okay. I'm looking it up. But yeah, that's. He's got a good point and Shane knows is Texas so they got to get basically like, like with the Congress and Trump he could do all the eos he wants to do but if Congress doesn't do it then it's. Then the next guy Gavin Doome f his face will will change it.

[Tim Pool]

I identify as tax exempt says more importantly than the number of people that left California is the worst wealth that left with them. Money always goes to where it's treated the best. Absolutely. One of the things that, that conservatives or one of the arguments conservatives always make when it comes to raising taxes when people are like, oh you should tax billionaires, there shouldn't be billionaires, etc. They'll just leave. And the idea that they're not going to leave is ridiculous. You want, I mean if you're, if you're going to tell Elon Musk that you're going to tell tax his. Your tax his business, what you're really telling him is we're going to nationalize your businesses. We're going to take your business from you. Right. And he's done nothing wrong other than be successful. Do you think that the federal government is going to be able to run Tesla? Do you think the federal government could run SpaceX? Obviously not. They had NASA.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

They'll fail in like five, ten years, bro. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, they're not going to be able to run. I don't want them running X. I don't want them. I don't. I mean actually to be honest with you, I don't really care if they run the boring company because as of right now, I'm not sure the utility of the boring company. But look, Elon, Elon Musk is way smarter than me and I'm sure he's got a great plan for the boring company. So maybe it's just something I'm not seeing and I don't want the federal government running the boring company either.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Then you want the federal government running pcc.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Phil]

Yeah, that's valid.

[Tim Pool]

You do?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know why but anyways, Trucker 2019 says we don't need any more foreign immigrants in our country. We need to kick out the ones we already have here and encourage our own people to have kids, not import them from the third world. I agree. I'm not sure that we need to kick out foreign. All foreign immigrants, but definitely illegal immigrants. Those, all of the, the illegal, the criminal aliens means they all need to go.

[JJ Harris]

Do you check out his, check out his emoticon or whatever the little, little. What do you call that?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, he wants, he wants a little more than just kicking him out.

[JJ Harris]

More than that. It's a deep profile.

[Tim Pool]

Easy, tiger, easy. Rude.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Can we just kick out the older people and keep the young ones and then put them in the schools for learning for immigrants and or illegal education.

[Phil]

You want to put them in re education camps?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. That's a great way. That's very politically correct.

[Tim Pool]

Now they all need to go. Let's see the truth. A says in California, the state pays for the school and the instructor to give non English speakers the answers to the CDL test. Great news. Yet people like me who know how to drive a semi have to pay 10k for school and take a legitimate class. Isn't that absolutely disgusting? They will, they will actually provide someone, basically someone else to take the test for an immigrant that doesn't speak English. But they will charge someone that does speak English $10,000 to actually go through the class and they have to legitimately pass the.

[JJ Harris]

I mean, they get. They need money somehow. Right.

[Phil]

There's also like, there's like 60 years of propaganda from Hollywood telling you that if you complain about somebody not speaking English in America, you're a bad person person making you seem uncultured and stupid because somebody is in your country speaking a language you don't speak. And that's kind of burrowed its way into the mainstream average liberal's brain so that they don't look at policies like this having actual consequences for American citizens.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

And truckers are based. They are. Don't, don't listen to what A Lot said last night. If you are driving your fruits and vegetables and whatnot to people in cities or whatever around the world, then you're, you're valuable to the world, to the United States of America.

[Phil]

What did A Lot say?

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

He did. He's like, he thinks we put truck drivers on pedestal. We put anyone who helps the American economy on a pedestal and they're one of them.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. All right. Smash the like button. I just want to throw that in.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

There for my buddy.

[Tim Pool]

Go to rumble.com and, and become a member there so you can watch the after show. Head ON over to timcast.com. become a member there.

[Teresa Payton]

So.

[Tim Pool]

So you can join our discord. Theresa, do you have anything that you want to shout out?

[Teresa Payton]

No, it's just been a great conversation being here.

[Tim Pool]

Your book.

[Teresa Payton]

Oh, sure.

[Tim Pool]

You have a Twitter account?

[Teresa Payton]

I do. Tracker Peyton is my Twitter account.

[Tim Pool]

Talk about your book a little.

[Teresa Payton]

Oh, sure. So manipulated inside the cyber war to hijack elections and distort the truth. It's about manipulation campaigns. It's not just about elections. It's all different types of social issues. How AI algorithms, deep fakes, and other things kind of permeate their way around the world and impact how we talk to each other.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

That book sounds very interesting, to be honest, but the manipulation campaign around what's going on today, it's very prevalent.

[Teresa Payton]

Yeah, it's interesting because propaganda has been around the world since there were two people walking on Earth, but it's been interesting to see how it evolves at speed and scale. You know, back back in the day, like Russia, for example, used to have to try to embed people in America and see over a long period of time whether or not things worked.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Teresa Payton]

And now anybody, not just Russia, but anybody, can post things on social media and see through clicks and likes and mentions whether or not a propaganda campaign's actually working.

[Raymond Giusani Jr.]

Well, pleasure hanging out. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Follow me on X. Raymond G. Stanley. Let's go, team. Go, Tim. Cast irl. Go, Tim. Go, Phil. Go, Brett. Go, Search. Go, Miss.

[Phil]

Thank you, guys. If you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on X at Brett Dasavic on both of those platforms. But what you should do is come hang out with me and Mary while we do Pop Culture Crisis. Monday through Friday, 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time, which is, of course, noon Pacific. We're on YouTube and rumble. See you there, guys.

[Tim Pool]

I am Phil. That remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check out the band on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora and Deezer. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime. We will see you all in the after show. And if you don't come to the after show, we will see you all tomorrow. Sam Sa.