THE WAR IS OVER, Trump Announces CEASEFIRE In Israel Iran War w/ Tina Descovich

Summary

Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL - Episode: THE WAR IS OVER, Trump Announces CEASEFIRE In Israel Iran War w/ Tina Deskovich
Release Date: June 24, 2025

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Overview

In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool delves deep into the recent geopolitical developments surrounding former President Donald Trump's announcement of a ceasefire between the United States, Israel, and Iran. Joined by guests Tina Deskovich, Ian Crossland, Phil Labonte, and Shane Cashman, the discussion navigates through the implications of the ceasefire, Supreme Court rulings on deportations, media dynamics, parental rights movements, and broader societal concerns.

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1. Trump’s Ceasefire Announcement

Tim Pool opens the discussion by addressing Trump's unexpected announcement of a ceasefire in the conflict between the US, Israel, and Iran.

• Confirmation and Skepticism: Initially met with conflicting reports, the ceasefire has been validated by multiple outlets, including Trey Youngst of Fox News, confirming that Iranian officials agreed to the truce after diplomatic negotiations facilitated by Qatar.

  "If Donald Trump was able to pull this off, I'll just say the man has a tremendous victory right now" — Tim Pool [01:40]

• Implications: Pool expresses cautious optimism, highlighting the narrow window of hope that the ceasefire will hold without further escalation.

  "Let us all just hope Trump is victorious in this. I personally not a fan of the strikes in Iran, but if the ceasefire is now and this does not escalate, we are in a good spot." — Tim Pool [02:00]

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2. Supreme Court Ruling on Deportations

The conversation shifts to a landmark Supreme Court decision permitting Trump to resume deportations to third countries, particularly South Sudan.

• Policy Details: The ruling allows the deportation of migrants to nations where they are not citizens, amidst legal challenges arguing that migrants must have a chance to contest their removals.

  "The Supreme Court on Monday cleared the way for Trump. The Trump administration to deport immigrants to countries where they're not citizens, temporarily blocking a decision by a lower court judge..." — Tim Pool [46:37]

• Guest Perspectives: Tina Deskovich criticizes the choice of South Sudan, citing its low GDP and unstable conditions, while Phil Labonte echoes concerns about the humanitarian impact.

  "It's a lot cheaper to put them in prison in Sudan than it would be in the United States." — Tina Deskovich [52:14]
  "We need to send them back. Get them out." — Phil Labonte [55:07]

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3. Media’s Response to Trump’s Actions

Tim Pool critiques the media’s portrayal and support of Trump’s military actions, particularly highlighting MSNBC’s unexpected defense of the former president's strikes.

• Media Dynamics: Joe Scarborough of MSNBC, typically a Trump critic, surprisingly defended Trump's actions, suggesting normalization and support for his foreign policy decisions.

  "We did have another sponsor... We're going to talk about that and so much more." — Phil Labonte [05:09]

• Ratings and Motives: Pool argues that media outlets like MSNBC may be incentivized to support war-like actions due to rising ratings and increased ad revenue.

  "TRUMP now has no problem pressing the button. If it were Biden as president, Iran would have been like, screw yourself." — Tim Pool [115:44]

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4. Moms for Liberty and Parental Rights

Tina Deskovich, CEO and co-founder of Moms for Liberty, discusses the organization's efforts to advocate for parental rights and influence educational policies.

• Grassroots Movements: Deskovich highlights targeted campaigns in swing states, employing grassroots strategies such as handwritten postcards and door-knocking to mobilize previously disengaged voters.

  "We focused on about 200, 250,000 women that hadn't really voted in four years in those states... turned out an average of 93% of those women." — Tina Deskovich [20:41]

• Educational Policies: The discussion covers battles over gender identity in schools, particularly the inclusion of transgender students in women’s sports, and the broader struggle against what they perceive as government overreach.

  "They are infusing social emotional learning... making sure everybody's comfortable, and you spend more time on that than learning how to read." — Tina Deskovich [34:47]

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5. AI and Education Concerns

Guests express apprehensions about the integration of AI in education and its impact on students’ learning abilities.

• Academic Integrity: Phil Labonte mentions instances where students misuse AI for assignments, leading to fabricated information and unreliable academic outcomes.

  "They just use ChatGPT, submit it, and then say. And shrug." — Phil Labonte [25:57]

• Homeschooling vs. Public Schools: The panel debates the rising trend of homeschooling as a response to perceived failures in the public education system, especially post-COVID.

  "Parents had no choice but to start homeschooling or their kids were going to fall behind dramatically." — Tina Deskovich [26:55]

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6. Generational Theory and Cultural Shifts

The guests explore the concept of the Fourth Turning and its relevance to current societal behaviors and political instability.

• Generational Cycles: Tim Pool introduces the idea that every four generations enter a crisis period that reshapes societal structures, emphasizing the disconnection of younger generations from historical hardships.

  "The general idea is that after the World War the people who fought and survived are just brutalized... they raise kids who start working and have a general idea." — Tim Pool [30:08]

• Emotional Resilience: Discussions focus on the perceived lack of hardship experienced by younger generations, attributing it to overly protective parenting and educational practices.

  "Snowplow parents. They've never experienced hardship... emotional pain of being insulted is the worst thing they've ever experienced." — Tim Pool [33:10]

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7. Immigration Policies and National Security

The panel debates the national security implications of the new deportation policies and the potential threats posed by improperly managed immigration.

• Security Risks: Concerns are raised about the ease with which enriched uranium might be dispersed following the military strikes on Iran, posing risks of dirty bombs and regional instability.

  "If, say, a group of people were to storm the Capitol... and occupy the building... nothing would happen. The President doesn't change." — Ian Crossland [17:54]

• Economic Impact: Discussions touch upon the economic fallout of potential nuclear material dispersal and its impact on global trade routes like the Strait of Hormuz.

  "If they dropped only a couple dirty bombs... you could shut down a chunk of global trade." — Tim Pool [37:07]

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8. Final Reflections and Upcoming Announcements

As the episode concludes, Tim Pool reflects on the potential political repercussions of Trump's actions, the stability of his base, and teases significant announcements for the uncensored segment of the show.

• Political Landscape: Phil Labonte expresses optimism that Trump’s strategic actions may strengthen his position, projecting that only unforeseen events could significantly impact his support ahead of the midterms.

  "The only thing that's going to derail Trump is going to be a bad economy... it's the only thing that's going to be able to take Trump out." — Phil Labonte [84:10]

• Upcoming Content: Pool invites listeners to continue the conversation on the uncensored portion of the show on Rumble, promising major announcements and a continuation of the in-depth discussions.

  "We'll see you all over @rumble.com timcast IRL with a very big announcement." — Tim Pool [121:35]

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Notable Quotes

• Tim Pool [01:40]: "Donald Trump has announced a ceasefire between the US, Israel, and Iran... if Trump was able to pull this off, I'll just say the man has a tremendous victory right now."

• Tina Deskovich [06:34]: "I am the CEO and co-founder of Moms for Liberty. We are the largest grassroots nonprofit organization of moms across the country fighting to defend parental rights at all levels of government."

• Phil Labonte [08:11]: "Everybody wants to talk about Sasquatch. Hello everybody. I am Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains. I'm an anti-communist and a county revolutionary."

• Ian Crossland [17:54]: "It wasn't a war. And a ceasefire doesn't mean a peace agreement... It doesn't mean there never was a war to call a peace agreement for anyway."

• Tina Deskovich [52:14]: "So, you know, our leaders were on the News saying they're in all 50 states now. Okay, well, you know, then you must know where they are. Why are they still here?"

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Conclusion

This episode of Timcast IRL offers a comprehensive examination of pivotal developments in U.S. foreign policy, immigration law, and societal shifts, all through an independent and often contrarian lens. With expert guests contributing diverse perspectives, the discussion underscores the complex interplay between government actions, media narratives, and grassroots movements in shaping the current political landscape.

For more in-depth analysis and uncensored discussions, listeners are encouraged to join the next segment on Rumble.com/timcastIRL.

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Donald Trump has announced a ceasefire between the US, Israel and Iran to take effect in a matter of hours. Now, initially when he posted this untruth, there was some conflicting information. But it does seem as the dust settles, the numerous outlets are now reporting that Iranian officials have confirmed they have a ceasefire between the US and Israel. This coming just after Iran launched missiles at at a US base. Nobody was injured. But should this prove to hold, if Donald Trump was able to pull this off, I'll. I will just say the man has a tremendous victory right now. So let us all just hope and pray the ceasefire sticks, the shooting stops and this is the effective end of the war to which Trump is calling the 12 Day War. If however, one of these factions escalates conflict and begins shooting, it will be a disaster. But I am going. I am not here to earn points. I am not here to try and be proven right. I am simply here to say, let us hope Trump is victorious in this. I personally not a fan of the strikes in Iran, but if the cease fire is now and this does not escalate, we are in a good spot. Let's all hope for that. I know there are a lot of bad people out there hoping that Trump fails, but the sake of the world, let's put that aside right now and say let's hope this sticks. So we're gonna talk about that. We've got a bunch of other news. Trump just won a massive Supreme Court ruling allowing him to pick back up on deportations. We'll get to that. And ladies and gentlemen, I predicted this. MSNBC is now defending Donald Trump because war sells, baby. And when, when you're a president and you engage in warfare, all the pundit class are gonna clap and cheer. You know why? Well, partly because they're deep state cronies, but also because their ratings go up and they love to see their, their cost per view or their CPM skyrocketing. So Trump's always doing a good job when you're blowing stuff up. It looks like this may be working out pretty well. And Trump is going to be receiving a lot of praise if this proves to be the end of the war. Meaning he was able to take out Iran's nuclear program or at least seriously hinder it without a dramatic escalation. So we're getting all that. My friends, before we do, we got a great sponsor, we got a Mac. My friends check out a Mac. Let's be real. Things are changing fast. And whether you lean right libertarian or you're just sick of the corporate media lying to you, you've probably noticed something. Trump's first five months back in office are delivering results. This is an understatement. If this sticks, the border being enforced, deportations happening, woke policies getting dismantled, the military finally being rebuilt in the right way. It's a huge shift, but it's also a battle. And Trump can't fight alone. This is where you come in. Go to AMAC us Timcast and join amac. Amac, the association of Mature American Citizens. They're the non woke alternative to the aarp. And honestly, they're doing what no one else is, organizing Freedom minded Americans to push back against the nonsense. For just $12 a year, you get a solid community, their AMAC magazine, serious discounts and Free resources. But most importantly, you're backing a movement that stands for faith, family and freedom. If you believe in America first policies and actually want to see Congress reflect that, go to amac us/timcast and sign up. Don't just watch the news. Be a part of the solution. Hear, hear. I completely agree with that. We got another sponsor. My friends, it is Bearskin. You may notice I'm not wearing my amazing fleece tonight. That's because it is like 200 degrees outside.

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[Tina Deskovich]

Deskovich.

[Tim Pool]

Deskovich. Easy enough. I should have got that. Who are you? What do you do?

[Tina Deskovich]

I am the CEO and co founder of Moms for Liberty. We are the largest grassroots nonprofit organization of moms across the country that are fighting, defend to defend parental rights at all levels of government.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Well, we do have another story about a parental rights organization filing a suit over a university allowing men into their, into their, into the university. So it should be great. Thanks for joining us. Should be fun. Ian is here.

[Ian Crossland]

Hi everyone. I'm back. I feel like we're manifesting reality in real time. So let's do it. Phil, baby. Oh, we got it. We also have Shane Cash in the corner.

[Shane Cashman]

Upon hearing about the ceasefire. Do you think someone should make a wellness check for Lindsey Graham?

[Phil Labonte]

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[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Mark Levin. Well, anyway, I'm Shane Cashman. I'm the host of Inverted World Live. I'll be leaving here at 9:40 tonight, going live at 10:00 clock to 12:00am Taking your phone calls. The phone lines will be open. If you have a weird story, come and tell us about it. We're also going to talk about a giant eyeball falling out of the sky. And real quick, I wanted to say this weekend was my four year anniversary at Tim cast.

[Phil Labonte]

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[Shane Cashman]

Thank you Tim. And I'm grateful for everything you've done for me. And it's amazing. The show has been really awesome the past few weeks.

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[Shane Cashman]

It's been amazing, a lot of fun. So thank you everyone watching and calling in.

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

Here's the story from Politico. Trump announces Israel, Iran cease fire. The announcement comes after the US waded into the 12 day conflict over the weekend. They say Trump in a post on Truth Social said the ceasefire will take effect just after midnight on the east coast of the United States with the war slated to officially end 12 hours later. Quote, this is a war that could have gone on for years and destroyed the entire Middle East. But it didn't and never will. Neither Israel nor Iran immediately confirmed Trump's announcement that they had agreed to a ceasefire. Both countries have been indirectly fighting since the October 7 attacks against Israel by Tehran backed militant militant groups. I'M sorry to run back to Palestinian militant groups at Hamas. And they have traded direct fire intermittently since 2020 24. But after Israel attacked Iranian nuclear facilities earlier this month, the two longtime Middle east adversaries have launched volleys of drones and missiles against each other. Now it is being confirmed by Reuters that a senior official said that they have agreed to a cease fire. We have this from Trey Youngst, a Fox News diplomat briefed on the cease fire talks to Fox News saying President Trump spoke with Qatar's emir and informed him the US Got Israel to agree to a ceasefire with Iran. The President asked Qatar to help persuade Iran to do the same. Following that, Vice President Vance coordinated with Qatar's prime minister on the details. This effort proved successful and following discussions with the Qatari pm, the Iranians agreed. The deal was coordinated at the highest level by the President and Vice president and the Qatari emir and prime minister directly. Despite having been attacked just hours earlier, the Qatari set aside their grievances and prioritized regional security to get the deal done. So just before this announcement, actually a couple hours before it was, videos emerged of Iran launching ballistic missiles at Qatar targeting the US Base should this prove to hold. I just got to say Trump, he's, he's, he's hit a grand slam with this one. If, if the war officially ends, he can say that he, he, it's a war powers resolution, he's allowed to take military action. No further military action is needed. We have a cease fire. If within the next 12 hours the fighting has stopped, Trump's got a tremendous historic victory.

[Phil Labonte]

Libertarians are going to be most affected. I think they're going to be very, very upset that this happened and that, you know, the sky didn't fall, it didn't expand into a wider war. It was just a strike. And Iran was like, well, we're not really in a position to do anything about this, are we? And took the actual, you know, self preservation route.

[Shane Cashman]

Why are they mad? Because they wanted to see.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, because.

[Shane Cashman]

Disintegrate.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, because they were all predicting that there was going to be a massive, you know, upheaval in the Middle East. It'll turn into a broader war, it'll turn into the World War iii, blah, blah, blah. But you look around and it speaks to actually the realistic conditions of the, of the, you know, international rivals. The US has, Russia doesn't have the ability to take on the us they can't take on the Ukraine, right? Like they, they can't handle Ukraine. They're not going to be able to take on the US So they're not going to really step in to help Iran. Same thing with China. China has a significant incentive to keep the status quo, particularly in the, in the straight strait of Hormuz, because they get like, you know, half their oil or whatever. They had tons of businesses there. So China was just like, no, you're not shutting down the straight of horror moves. They had no friends at all and no one was there to support them. So I think that that speaks to this.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm stoked for peace. Yeah, there's peace. I do. Leave it to Trump to start already branding a war like he's already naming his war. Yeah, there's a lot in this message.

[Ian Crossland]

It wasn't a war. And a ceasefire doesn't mean a peace agreement. Sometimes when you're in a war, you'll call a ceasefire for a short period and then you'll go back to fighting. So it doesn't mean. But there never was a war to call a peace agreement for anyway. They, they fired what, like 13 or 14 missiles into Qatar and they all but one of them were shot down. One of the missiles was errant. So they just let it go.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Where's it going?

[Ian Crossland]

I personally don't trust anything coming out of this administration at the moment. They just sneak attacked Iran. I imagine they're going to do it again, but, you know, like you said, their faces on the ground, they're being stomped on, their bones are breaking, they have no choice but to.

[Tim Pool]

How many people live in Iran, Ian?

[Ian Crossland]

What's that?

[Tim Pool]

How many people live in Iran?

[Ian Crossland]

I think there's 92 million. But I have done the research. I haven't done the research.

[Tim Pool]

I respect what you are saying in the Trump admin. This is where I'm cautious. They have made a lot of comments about negotiating peace, negotiating good faith, while they were actually orchestrating a sneak attack on Iran. Now, if it weren't for the subsequent reporting from numerous individuals involved that there was a ceasefire, initially I was skeptical. I don't believe it. Trump announces they got a ceasefire and then if Iran keeps attacking, it's Iran that becomes the aggressor. However, it does look like Trump is trying to avoid escalation in the region and just wanted to take out as much of their nuclear enrichment as possible. I don't know that they did. Like, if you want to argue efficacy, there's a lot of people saying 900 pounds of uranium is missing. What did they actually do? It's like, well, you know, they did what they could in terms of that agenda item, the argument here is that Trump has, under the War Powers act, it's an old bill. If there's an imminent threat, he can order a military strike within 60 days. He must stop and ask Congress for approval to continue. If this does end, I mean, Trump, he did it. I will say this to everybody, because they were like, tim, you were saying that it was going to escalate. I have no problem being wrong. I'm not going to sit here and be like, here, here's why Trump is actually going to screw up. No, no, I'm. I'm stoked. Holy crap, I'd love to be wrong. I was. I was worried af, that there was going to escalate if Trump really did just pull it off. I apologize for doubting the man.

[Tina Deskovich]

I know that parents, mothers in particular, are thrilled that Iran will not have nuclear weapons. So, you know, moms, for the most part, I would say, probably don't understand Middle east policy and what's going on over there, but they have concerns as parents. And one of those things is a nuclear Iran. I mean, that's a very big possibility. And so I didn't hear a lot of pushback from the mom community when we went in and took out those nuclear facilities.

[Ian Crossland]

What concerns me, though, is this, the idea here, here. Lend Lease. The Lend Lease program with the Americans were giving the British weapons before World War II, but they couldn't sell them because they would have been violating, you know, some. Some shit.

[Phil Labonte]

So they were like the Lend Lease with the Soviets.

[Ian Crossland]

The Lend Lease was a program between the Americans and the British where the Americans were giving the. They were giving it to a lot of people, but the British particularly, they're giving them weapons, and then they were like, you just pay us back later. So someone could give the Iranians a nuclear weapon and be like, just. Just pay us later. Like, they don't have to make it. They can get one. They can receive one also. So we need to strengthen our diplomatic ties with the Chinese, the Russians and the Indians right now, particularly because they don't want a nuclear Iran. Nobody wants it, I don't think, except for these.

[Phil Labonte]

If nobody wants a nuclear Iran, who's going to give them the nuclear bomb?

[Ian Crossland]

I know some maybe because won't always be in power. And if some crazy guy gets it.

[Tina Deskovich]

After Putin, president of Russia, I think, said he was going to help them.

[Tim Pool]

And that happened, or that other countries were rushing in.

[Ian Crossland]

North Korea, of course. But he's also on good terms with Trump. So I think that I Look, I want. I was going to say regime change. How can I say this smoothly?

[Phil Labonte]

Authoritarian.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't like. I find theocracy even more dangerous than monarchy.

[Tim Pool]

I want regime change in Iran. I just don't want to be involved in whatever that means.

[Ian Crossland]

And I want it to be peaceful. I would love for it to be like they set it down, another organization picks it up if possible. I don't know if that's. I mean, I think that's what the Israelis are planning to do anyway. Make it happen. It looks like that's what they're about to do. And they're just like, what? Install some sort of like go targeted strike assassinations on.

[Tim Pool]

That would mean the war is not over.

[Tina Deskovich]

Where has there ever been a peaceful regime change except in a democratically.

[Ian Crossland]

Canada in 79.

[Tina Deskovich]

I mean an election in a somewhat democrat country, but in a place like Iran.

[Ian Crossland]

In Iran in 79 it was relatively peaceful. It only lasted about three, six months, the revolution, maybe four months on six months.

[Tina Deskovich]

Didn't a tyrant take over? I mean, isn't that what got us into this situation?

[Ian Crossland]

But it wasn't really bloody. The king at the time didn't fight back. And everyone was like, why aren't you stopping the rebellion? And he was just like sitting in his castle not fighting it. And so they deposed him. And it was generally relatively peaceful as revolutions for a country that size. And it could happen again.

[Shane Cashman]

What I think you're saying is that, I mean, they can change, but I don't want to be involved in it. Like all the coups we've done around, whether it's Guatemala or Iran again, you know, I don't want that to happen. They can do whatever they want.

[Ian Crossland]

Thing is, the, the Shah's son, who's in America right now, is the most likely candidate to be installed as the king of Iran. And we would definitely, because he's in America, we would somehow we'd be involved with putting them up in the creation.

[Tim Pool]

The issue with regime change nowadays compared to even 20 or 30 years ago is the Internet and the speed of communications. So a couple hundred years ago you wanted regime change. You literally need only stand in a building. You'd be standing in the building, sitting on the throne, being like, we're in charge now and if the king was in exile then people didn't listen. So you, you take a look at even 100 years ago how these revolutions took place. And it was just like we've stormed the building and a thousand people surrounded it. And now the entire country of millions of People has a new form of government these days. There's digital communications, and you saw that.

[Ian Crossland]

In France in World War II because the French. Paris was taken over three, three or five hundred years ago. Entire country of France would have served the Germans, but half of France split off because Charles de Gaulle went into exile in England and was able to kind of lead this resistance via telephone. And now we've got the Internet.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So if, say, a group of people were to, like, storm the Capitol, like, during the counting of the electoral vote, and they stood in that building, literally nothing would happen. The President doesn't change. Nobody loses or gains control. Occupying the building and controlling the force there changes nothing.

[Tina Deskovich]

That's why I always wondered about the term insurrection. It never really made sense to me on what happened that day.

[Phil Labonte]

High stakes, King of the Hill. That's all it was.

[Tim Pool]

That's why insurrection is the wrong term for what happened on January 6th. I would say insurrection in Portland as it is applied legally in that local laws are not being followed. That is a legal insurrection for which the President can call, invoke the Insurrection act and call on the National Guard to go shut down those riots.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. The Police led the J6ers in, like, I saw that video of them actually giving them a nice tour. Unlike in Portland and other places where they took over streets and set up camp, killed innocent people.

[Phil Labonte]

Some entrances had a different dynamic. Right.

[Shane Cashman]

Those people were antifa and red Hats.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to say, for the record, since there's 100 million people listening or whatever it is, I do want regime change in Iran in a peaceful manner in some sort. And I'm very happy with this announcement of a ceasefire. Although I said I don't believe anything coming out of their mouths. I'm very happy to hear it. Regardless. I think it's a very good diplomatic move. I know that Putin at first was like, I think we're gonna help Iran. We might help them get a nuke. At least.

[Phil Labonte]

This was.

[Ian Crossland]

Reading these reports. And then later he's like, actually, we're just. It wasn't.

[Phil Labonte]

It wasn't Medvedev.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, it was Medvedev. And then they kind of walked it back and they're like, we're gonna. We're gonna help diplomatically. They just wanted to solve the problem. They don't wanna blow stuff up and.

[Shane Cashman]

Bringing it back to moms real quick. Like, I don't really care all that much about the nukes, honestly. I care more about sending our children to war, you know? And, like, that's the. The possibility of this when it possibly escalating. It still could. And sending kids to war.

[Tina Deskovich]

Yeah. Look at two sons, 24 and 17. So they're both ideal candidates.

[Tim Pool]

I'm fighting age.

[Tina Deskovich]

Yeah. If there was some kind of draft. But I still, personally, I can't speak for my, you know, all 130,000 moms for liberty members at the moment, but personally I still support I, you know, that photo, it's not up right now, but the photo of President Trump walking out with Marco Rubio behind him and each one I'm talking about was really. Well, that's part of it. But you see Pete Hugseth even behind that. You see all four or five of them standing there. I just, I kept going back to that photo and just looking at these men that I feel like we've gotten to know over the last few years. These are good men that I know of. You know, I've met their spouses. I feel like I have some familiarity with them and to see the looks on their faces, I mean they knew what decisions they were making, knew there was some risk, even if there was calculated and risk and they felt like it was in the right direction. And I just am, you know, I'm thankful for them. I'm thankful that they are making the hard choices and leading the way.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it is the suburban mom that won Trump the election. Now, we can always point to a different demographic and say there's they're the ones. But we know is that Trump was trailing among suburban moms in 2020 and then they shifted rightwards in 2024. I think the gender issue played a large role in that.

[Tina Deskovich]

If you're going to give me a second to talk about it, I'd be glad to talk about what we did. And we did it for swing states, Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina and Wisconsin. We focused on about 200, 250,000 women that hadn't really voted in four years in those states. And we went and targeted them for six to seven months. Hyperlocal issues. You know, Mr. Jones, in your local school, down the streets wearing a dress in the fifth grade class, did, you know, make sure you vote up and down the ballot against people that are supporting this. Make sure you know that the Biden administration rewrote Title IX to allow this in that school. We sent them texts, we hand wrote postcards, thousands and thousands of handwritten postcards. Knocking doors, all those things. Long story short, in those four states, we turned out an average of 93% of those women. About 200, 250,000 in each state that's over 800,000 women that wouldn't have traditionally voted in an election turned out to vote.

[Shane Cashman]

I think angry moms definitely helped win. I mean, you saw everything that happened during lockdowns with kids, school closures and all that.

[Tim Pool]

Where, where, where were you in the past few years? Were you always a Trump supporter?

[Tina Deskovich]

I have voted for Trump traditionally. But I'll admit, in 2016, I. I walked into that voting booth not going to vote for him and just have.

[Shane Cashman]

To leave the show now. I'm sorry, I didn't vote. I didn't even vote that year.

[Tina Deskovich]

Oh, what do you got to say about me? I stood there and I was going to go third party, and this is like a little bit of a crazy story. The only other time I voted third party was the Bush Gore election. And I sat up all night like, I'm the reason. I'm the reason this is happening, because I didn't vote for Bush. I did. It's my fault. Like, I personally felt like, you know, we went through the hanging chads because of me. And so I told myself that night I would never do third party. I kept thinking about that, and I wasn't going to vote for Hillary Clinton, and so I ended up voting for him. But it's been a. It's been an interesting road. I wasn't always the loyalist that I am now.

[Tim Pool]

Do you find that. I don't know. Moms view him as icky.

[Tina Deskovich]

Less and less. Less and less and less.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, because he's chilled out. Why do you think that is?

[Tina Deskovich]

Look, he campaigned on several things that had to do with Moms for Liberty issues. The. The overreach of government. What they, you know, they saw what. What the. What the Biden administration did to parents that were just standing up trying to protect their children. He. He stood on that issue. He stood on the issue of keeping boys out of women's sports. He understands what's going on in education, and he has listened to us on those. And he came right out the gate soon as he took office, and executive order after executive order after ex. I mean, going in, look, we are just women. We're strong, independent women. But to see someone stand up for the issues that has the power to do something about it, and to see him stand there and do that on our behalf to protect our children. He's got our support. Hands down. Women are coming. Are coming over left and right because of that.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you think Melania is a huge influence on that? Because I'm just starting to think maybe she's like, really morally pushing, like, helping him.

[Tina Deskovich]

Of course. Of course. Behind every man there is a good woman.

[Ian Crossland]

I. I wish she was more vocal in the world. I, I thought that since the beginning. I mean, she's doing what she can. I think she's a little self conscious because her. Her English is her second language or, or not her. Her first language. At least. I think she might have said stuff like that early days. Her fourth language. Yeah, she speaks.

[Phil Labonte]

She speaks like five languages. Genius.

[Ian Crossland]

A genius woman.

[Tina Deskovich]

I'm sure she's self conscious that she speaks five languages fluently. Oh, my gosh. She's amazing is what I'm trying to say.

[Ian Crossland]

And I agree. Tim, you about to ask a question, too?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh. Melania is a kind of an unsung hero over the last decade. In a lot of ways. She's very grounded.

[Tim Pool]

What happened to Democrats?

[Tina Deskovich]

Did you freaking mind? No, I've never been a Democrat, but I will say a good portion of our organization are former Democrats. We even have some Democrats, which, you know, the left in the newspaper would never. Or the news mainstream media would never tell you that. I think I was telling you the other day that we were in a. I was in a meeting in Ohio with my chapter leaders from the state. Half of the room had voted for Obama. And so they're coming over because they don't like what's happening.

[Tim Pool]

What do they tell you?

[Tina Deskovich]

What.

[Phil Labonte]

What do they tell you when they come in? And they're like, oh, you know, I didn't. Because, you know, they're apprehensive. You know, there's a lot of stigma that goes along with it. What do they tell you when they come in?

[Tina Deskovich]

Well, the first one said it. I can't remember how the conversation started, but the first one said it when we were in a group setting and the others started poking fun of her. And then one said to the other, like, you can't laugh at me. You voted for Obama. And then you voted for Obama. And before you knew it, I was like, okay, raise your hands if you voted for Obama. And it was half the room. And, you know, a lot of them just said he. He seemed hopeful. You know, they didn't follow politics. They didn't vote in local elections. No idea who their local elected leaders are. But they looked at Obama as someone who was offering hope and change, just like he said. And so it was an easy cast for them.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, this is more of an anecdotal question. A question. I'm just getting your personal opinion. Do you Think women are voting because, like you said, they felt hope when they saw Obama. Do you think that the women are voting less with their emotions and more with their brain, their thinking? Or is it that Trump is appealing more to their emotions?

[Tina Deskovich]

Trump is appealing to their emotions. He's standing up for their children. They're seeing what's happening in education in America. They know, and I will say on. On a good part of Moms for Liberty pushing the information out there to. Only a third of kids in America can read on grade level. I think that's starting to become public knowledge. A third? That's terrible for national security. That's terrible for the future of these children economically.

[Phil Labonte]

It's terrible. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Not just that, but there's these viral posts where teachers are saying, like, their kids can't read, their kids can't type, their. The kids are completely disinterested in whatever they're doing. All they want to do is get on TikTok and just keep swiping, like, attention span has gone to zero. And they'll see two seconds of something and they're bored, bored, bored. And so when it comes to writing, they just use ChatGPT, submit it, and then say. And shrug.

[Shane Cashman]

I wonder if that takes into account the homeschooling spike.

[Tina Deskovich]

Oh, of course.

[Shane Cashman]

At church recently, we, you know, celebrate all the kids who graduated high school. Thirty kids, all of them homeschooled. No one went to public school. And these kids talk, like, better than me. They're smarter than me, and they had a great schooling. So I wonder if, like, we're watching the public schools totally fail, but the homeschooling is really taking off, especially since.

[Tina Deskovich]

COVID when the schools shut down and teachers union fought. You know, I'm not going to open a school till you defund the police and all of their nonsense. I mean, parents had no choice but to start homeschooling or their kids were going to fall behind dramatically. Of course, you see those numbers growing.

[Ian Crossland]

And like, you think that. I think the public school system still working off the antiquated 20th century model, pretending like AI doesn't exist. And then the kids go home and they use AI to finish their homework. And the teachers are like, that's frying their brains. And then. But the moms of the kids are sitting there with them like, what did you use ChatGPT again?

[Tim Pool]

Like, let me just tell you the scary thing about this is that I recently we got the Switch 2, you know, the Nintendo Switch 2. And you can get Nintendo and GameCube. And so I Went online and I downloaded the app so you can play their library of Nintendo games. They don't have that many, but there's a lot. And I was playing the game.

[Ian Crossland]

Crystalis love that game, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely. So good. Now let me tell you why this matters. Because I used Chat GPT because I'm like stock in the beginning. What do I do? So I typed in Chat GPT. How do I, you know, do this thing? Total example. What do I do with the Carissa plant? It fabricated this huge walkthrough for the game that included characters that didn't exist in the game. And I knew I played the game 800 times when I was a kid and, and I was playing it again, but I can't remember what to do with this thing. And I'm like, this is completely fabricated and made up completely. And it's only because I knew certain it was like, go south of this one town. I'm like, there's no south of that town. It so these kids are going to be in school and they're going to be like, write me, you know, an essay on Christopher Columbus discovering America and it's going to put fake names in or there was that as a total aside. That lawyer, I think this happened more than once who had Chat GPT draft his whole legal argument and it created fake case citation precedent.

[Tina Deskovich]

So a few things there. One, the Christopher Columbus thing, you just touched on it as a passing story. But worse, it could even say what's actually in the textbooks right now, which say Christopher Columbus is a war criminal and, and worse. And so I bet you Chat GPT is going to pull up all the anti American rhetoric and feed it in just as the textbooks are now. And number two, it's not just the kids with this AI. So my 17 year old, they have a policy in my school district. The kids can't use AI for papers. And at least my son says he doesn't use AI because he thinks the teachers put it in the AI checker and he'll get caught not saying he doesn't ever do it, but he says he doesn't. But he got really upset last year because his paper was graded with AI and he came home so mad and he said, why can. Why I can't use AI to write it? Why does she get to use AI to grade it? And I was like, well, how do you really know? He said, mom, look at this. There's no feedback on my writing. It's literally these caption things from AI I can tell. And then I threw it in the AI checker and it told me it.

[Tim Pool]

Was AI and then what if the AI is wrong?

[Tina Deskovich]

Yeah, it's teaching him wrong. And the teacher has no idea if he's writing or if he's not what he needs to help with or anything. It's so messed up.

[Tim Pool]

And you know where it gets worse when. When these kids use AI to write an essay and then post the essay somewhere online in some way the AI can use it. The AI writing gets re ingested into its own training model.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like those pictures, they're like re reprint this picture a thousand times you ever seen and then they slowly morph into this demon creature. Same thing with your paper. I was going to ask. Oh, what's the AI checker that you mentioned?

[Tina Deskovich]

I have no idea. I can ask my 17 year old and let you know.

[Ian Crossland]

Sound like a good piece of technology for the coming days.

[Tim Pool]

I think, I think we're totally screwed.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't think I can trust AI check. I think protect itself.

[Tim Pool]

I was talking to this guy, pro skateboarder, you'd think he wouldn't be apprised a lot of stuff. But he asked me if I'd ever read about the fourth Turning. And I was like, oh boy. How many, how much time do you got? And so we talked a bit about it and this is just a guy who skates. He's not a big political guy or anything like that. People are starting to to learn. Are you familiar with the fourth Turning?

[Tina Deskovich]

I am not.

[Tim Pool]

Strauss out. Generational theory is that every four generations you have some kind of crisis period. And there's a. There's a bunch of ways you can break it down. I'll overly simplify it. So 80 years ago we had the world wars. 80 years before that, civil war. Eight years before that the revolution, there was conflict. 80 years before that. It keeps going. The general idea is that after the World War the people who fought and survived are just brutalized and so they're carved out of stone. They're not bothered. They don't care for things like wokeness and they're just like sit down, shut up and do the work. You know, being having a job is not the worst thing you've ever dealt with. So they raise kids.

[Tina Deskovich]

We're 80 years after World War II.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. So they raise kids off the lessons of World War II. And those kids, you know, they start working and they have a general idea. Then they have kids and those kids, they heard stories from their grandparents, but they don't really know. And Then finally, the fourth generation is a bunch of lazy, entitled wackaloons that are soft as cookie dough, causing instability in politics, which results in some kind of chaotic moment.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, you know, one of the things that has kept me sane is listening to my father talk about the horrors of Vietnam. Growing up, he would constantly. He served in the Navy during Vietnam on a peacekeeping tour, you know, in Germany. But just to. And to watch, just to see the horror, to know. Because when you get generations detached from it, it's very easy to treat like a video game.

[Tim Pool]

And that's where we are now, where kids need. I mean, we're talking about in the past 10 years, colleges, universities, creating safe spaces for lectures where if someone was triggered by something a professor was saying, they could go into a fluffy room with stuffed animals and pastel colors playing nursery rhymes. I'm not exaggerating.

[Ian Crossland]

This guy, Alex Hommel, you guys know this guy?

[Tim Pool]

He.

[Ian Crossland]

He bear climbs with his bare fingers.

[Tim Pool]

Honnold.

[Ian Crossland]

Alex Honnold. He's done Joe Rogan show. He climbs mountains with his bare fingers. Like hangs reclaiming. Yeah, yeah. And he's like the best scrapers. No, no, he's like the best free climber on earth. Not that I know of. And he said everyone should. When was last time you've been really afraid? Like really afraid. Really afraid for your life? Because people should feel like that, otherwise they're going to start to be afraid of stupid shit.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what kind of aligns with what you're saying.

[Tim Pool]

That's where we're currently at. And it's not so much about being afraid of dumb things. It's about entitlement. That, you know, what a lot of these. These young people were experiencing is the worst thing, actually, I'll put it this way. My baby was crying today and we're trying to console her and she had a burp. It's literally the worst thing she has ever experienced in her life. She's four months.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so her. Her distress is legitimate, but needs to be tempered. I mean, if you've never felt pain before, you're like, what's happening? So what happens to these. These millennials largely is they've had zero hardship. Snowplow parents. They've never. It's. You get a trophy no matter what, even if you don't win. No one's a bully. No one. Everyone's got to hold hands and sing. And then you enter the real world and you walk down the street and someone screams at you, dumbass. And you go. And it's like literally the emotional pain of being insulted is the worst thing you've ever experienced.

[Ian Crossland]

Makes me think that we should treat these people like your 4 month old going through a burp. Like it is that painful for them.

[Tim Pool]

At the very least we shouldn't, we're.

[Phil Labonte]

Nice to them, we shouldn't bend the knee to every demand they make.

[Ian Crossland]

And I don't mean treat them like a baby. I mean burp the baby, have the compassion for the human as if it really is genuine pain. Even though to us or to you it might seem like ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

No, the point is to understand the baby was screaming like the apocalypse was happening. And then she went and that was it. And then she smiled and it's like, that's so I understand. For the baby who can't burp, this is not just a trivial problem, but for a 40 year old, for a millennial working in government who is crying over burping, we've got a problem.

[Tina Deskovich]

The bigger problem is, I mean that's an absolute problem. And I agree with you. But what's happening in schools right now in the youngest grades, all the way through high school is they're infusing social emotional learning. I'm not sure how familiar you are with it. You're basically having security and safety circles where you sit around and talk about your feelings at the youngest age and make sure everybody's comfortable, comfortable and, and you spend more time on that than learning how to read. And so we're actually developing children to be this way, even as adults.

[Tim Pool]

We will come back to this. But I do want to get back to the war because we do have some news here. This is from, I believe this is from the telegraph fears over Iran's missing 400 kilograms of uranium. And that's if we just believe the reports. But we have this satellite image from Fordo showing what appears to be, I think 16 trucks. I could be wrong. There may be another one I missed. Now the reports are that two days before the strikes they were able to get all of the fissile material out of these facilities and then spread them out to who knows where. J.D. vance was asked about this and he says we are not so concerned about their 60% enriched uranium. We were concerned if they were going to continue enriching upwards of 90% and we have taken away their ability to do that. That being said, there are many people who are deeply concerned this is not over. Iran may agree to a cease fire, but what happens if they start dispatching even 60% uranium to various rep like the Houthis or other terrorist insurgent groups in the region. And then we see some random armed insurgent group making threats and making demands, but armed now with a dirty bomb.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, I imagine this is something that the, the administration has, has on their radar. And I feel like it's the same result, like if you give, if, if Iran were to give nuclear material to someone like the, the Houthis or whatever like the US Is going to find is gonna know where it came from. There's not a whole lot of places where this I just come from. You don't think so? Why not?

[Tim Pool]

17, let's say 16 trucks, we don't know which one was loaded with what. Those 16 trucks drive off in different directions and go into a big facility where 16 more trucks drive out. Those 16 trucks then drive across various borders into various countries, through Pakistan, through, through India, through into Russia, into China. And now whatever was there is mixed around with whatever was in the other regions before. It just adds to the mix. And we're not going to know where, where it came from, whose it was. I mean, I'm sure that they'll, you know, I'm sure they'll claim this has all the signatures of Iranians.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, using that kind of stuff still is such high risk. Like what's the benefit? Because you're not going to, you're only, you're going to terrorize people. Right. But like that's what policy are they trying to get the US to change?

[Tim Pool]

Why did the Houthis start bombing tanker vessels in the Red Sea?

[Phil Labonte]

Because of the, because of the, the war in, in Gaza. Right.

[Tim Pool]

And so if an ideologically driven group is screaming a genocide is occurring and they go from having short range missiles and RPGs to dirty bombs and enriched uranium, then it's not going to be a short range missile strike on a tanker.

[Phil Labonte]

I can't imagine actually using dirty bombs in, in Israel just because, like, no, no goal is like they won the Red Sea in the red so that you so just sort of tankers and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

I mean if, if they dropped only a couple dirty bombs, like we're talking small, low amounts of rate of uranium, but enough to irradiate the passage. You can shut down a chunk of global trade and they can. And what happens if they come out and say we are here by, we have strategically placed dirty bombs around the area and we are demanding that Israel, you know, surrender and leave immediately, otherwise we will detonate them and shut down the Red Sea. Then what do you do? Sure, you can start Striking where you believe they are. But we're talking like weird Mission Impossible esque like missions to locate and you shut down dirty bombs.

[Ian Crossland]

Are you guys, do you know what the types like, what are dirty bomb status right now? I haven't researched.

[Tim Pool]

Dirty bomb is a, is a general term for a. Or they call, they can call them suitcase nukes. Basically it's a hodgepodge of nuclear fissile material in a bomb of varying yield. They're small, but when they go off, they can irradiate small, small portion like areas of cities or city blocks.

[Ian Crossland]

Like a conventional bomb that spreads out the nuclear waste, basically.

[Tim Pool]

It could be, it could be, it could be a low yield nuclear bomb, but likely with enriched uranium conventional bomb that's going to irradiate and then what happens if that blows up in an urban area, you could, you could be dealing with decontamination efforts for years. That's, that's the fear of. This is what I don't like about when, when they come out and they say a nuclear armed Iran cannot happen because Iran will nuke this country, that country. It's like, no, they won't. They're using it as leverage and they're going to say we can play ball. The bigger fear is when they start passing it off to Hamas and then Hamas detonates a dirty bomb at the Rafah crossing or something.

[Ian Crossland]

I see, I see where their fear is of the bomb because it's like North Korea. Hey man, whatever. You think they got a big bomb, they got multiple bombs. I don't know how they got them either. From the Soviets maybe. But that, that country can't really tangle with that country militarily because they'll just launch. I would imagine they're just like North Korea.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, but they're, you know, they have nukes, but they're just like real dumb. The nukes themselves, like their weaponry is particularly ineffective. It's there, it exists, there's concerns.

[Phil Labonte]

The bigger, the bigger problem with North Korea is how is the proximity of South Korea, of Seoul, South Korea to North Korea. Right. It can wipe out Seoul with artillery. Like you don't need nuclear weapons. Like they just have enough, just conventional artillery to like kill like 30% of the people that live in Seoul.

[Tim Pool]

As an aside, I do need to point out, I think it was Tate who said this. North Korea with all of its problems has a fertility rate of 3 and South Korea is 0.6. So they split the country in half, gave one struggle and torture and they've, and they've the Population is small, but they're growing. They're trying. And South Korea was given liberalism and they're destroying themselves.

[Ian Crossland]

I bet they're lying about that number, though, the North Koreans. I bet they're lying about that number. I'd be shocked. You're saying they have three kids per family?

[Tim Pool]

What is.

[Ian Crossland]

What. Yeah.

[Tina Deskovich]

Are they allowed to use birth control in North Korea?

[Tim Pool]

Pretty sure they're not or they don't have access to it, cuz, I mean, young, Young me.

[Ian Crossland]

Park.

[Tim Pool]

Was that her name?

[Ian Crossland]

She's been on the show before. She was a, A North Korean defector and came on and was like, people starve on the side of the road. Like, oh, yeah, you'll see them laying in.

[Tim Pool]

They're smaller, starving, but there's more of them.

[Ian Crossland]

To then say that they're having three kids per family when they're small and.

[Shane Cashman]

Starving makes you think they would lie to us about.

[Tim Pool]

Because they're.

[Shane Cashman]

They said they had a unicorn in a cave.

[Phil Labonte]

They're having three. Becoming adults and making kids themselves. You know, I mean, like, people die a lot in North Korea, so, like, they.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I, I didn't want, I didn't want to derail the conversation. I was just. I thought it was funny what Date said, but tell, tell, tell me I'm wrong. I'd love to be wrong. With the spreading of this, you know, near 900 pounds of, of enriched uranium now disappearing, there's concerns that Iran is just saying, oh, yeah, cease fire. The war is over. You got a boss. Load it up.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, that's what I would do if I was in charge. I'd be like, I don't trust anything coming out of these guys. They just sneak attacked our facilities. Let's prepare.

[Shane Cashman]

They overthrew our country in 53 attack.

[Tim Pool]

I'd be crazy. I don't know about you guys. Why, how would you guys be crazy?

[Shane Cashman]

In what way, dude?

[Tim Pool]

If, if, if someone claimed they had it. So I understand with law and war, there's totally different things, but let's just say I'm on a frontier, minding my own business on my, on my property. I got walls. And a dude rides up with his posse and they all got guns. And they said, we are going to come here with artillery and we are going to level your building because we don't like that you're. That, you know, you're growing that crop or whatever. And I'm like, bro, get out of here. Who are you?

[Shane Cashman]

Sounds like the South.

[Tim Pool]

If they then came and started bombing my property, I would be like, the Only thing you will get is blood and dirt from coming to my land. So I'm saying my fear in this is that Iran is going to be. I wouldn't call it irrational, I would call it ideological. The idea of being a rational actor is if we bomb Iran and they think they'll die, will they back off? Sure. But you can rationally say, we will send, like, you will pay Donald Trump. You can't play chicken with Iran. You want to play chicken with Donald Trump, you will lose. Trump's going to be like, I'll press the button.

[Ian Crossland]

And if it was. If it was like, just the Ayatollah, he might sacrifice himself and they'd come and take it. But he's got 90 million people he's taken care of, so I don't think he would. I don't think he would throw 90 million people away in some. You think he would. Some grand sacrifice.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, dude, it's a theocracy to.

[Ian Crossland]

Get all of Islam to attack the rest of the world. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

72 virgins await you in heaven. To war.

[Ian Crossland]

He's like 80 or something.

[Tina Deskovich]

It's a belief system. Why wouldn't he do that?

[Tim Pool]

That's what I'm saying.

[Tina Deskovich]

They think it's good to die for the cause.

[Tim Pool]

And they may be saying, like, the great evil is. Is. Is taking over and they are destroying us. We will not lay down. I mean, they'd previously said, Iran will never surrender. Now they're saying there's a ceasefire. So my fear in all this is that that uranium ain't going anywhere and they're going to continue working.

[Shane Cashman]

I worry about sleeper cells or people pretending to be sleeper cells.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, people were talking about, like, if we do something in our. In Iran, then that. Then they will activate sleeper cells without like, acknowledging the fact that, like, having sleeper cells in the United States at all is unacceptable. Like, just the fact that Iran would send sleeper cells is, in and of itself an act of war.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, they've. A lot of them have done it before. There's been sleeper cells here for decades. Yeah, I mean, from, like, Russia and other places.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I imagine that's true, but it's the idea that you don't want to do anything to Iran because they've had. They've sent sleeper cells. Well, that's all that's already calling for retaliation. Yeah.

[Tina Deskovich]

You know, like, why are we allowing them to stay?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, like, you know, it's. It's the same.

[Tina Deskovich]

We know where they are. I mean, you know, our leaders were on the News saying they're in all 50 states now. Okay, well, you know, then you must know where they are. Why are they still here?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, so that's why we need to deport everybody.

[Phil Labonte]

Everybody? All of them. All 20 million.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like a transfusion. If you take too much too quick, it kills the body, so you got to go. I like this idea of taking the violent criminals first, but then they're going up on Joe Rogan was like, this is getting crazy, dude. They're driving up at Home Depots and tackling dudes.

[Phil Labonte]

No, they all gotta go. Ian, you can't care.

[Shane Cashman]

You honestly can't care about optics anymore right now with the way the country's been invaded.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I don't agree, because I think that the Russian and the Chinese, if we don't have them on our side, if they think that we're truly ballistic and we're going to just start sneaky today, everyone.

[Phil Labonte]

Wait, wait, wait. We're talking about immigration now.

[Tina Deskovich]

You.

[Phil Labonte]

How does. What are you talking about with the Russian and Chinese?

[Ian Crossland]

If they see us, like, go authoritarian, crackdown hard, and sneak attack with. With bunker busters other countries, they might be like, all right, it's too far gone now. We can't. At least now we can be negotiated with because it's the United States of America. We stand for liberty.

[Shane Cashman]

And how does that fit into the mass deportations?

[Ian Crossland]

If you start just grabbing segments of your population? Maybe they're a citizen, maybe they're not. We'll find out later.

[Shane Cashman]

You'd be like, respect.

[Phil Labonte]

I just saw a video of a dude, a Russian dude, that had a. A flag with Putin on it. He pulled it down, crumpled it up, threw it away, and then the next day, he just got picked up. They grabbed him and black bagged him just because he threw a picture of Putin away. Like, we are far from that, my dude. We are far from that. People that are getting picked up now are actually criminal illegal aliens. And, you know, maybe some of them haven't committed a violent crime and they're getting picked up for just for being illegal, but they're still here illegally.

[Shane Cashman]

Those borders are so wide open, and.

[Tim Pool]

You got a lot of ones.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I know that was an extreme thing of me to say to kind of like, try to pull back on the. On the deportation thing on this show. I know a lot of people are very, very pro deportation.

[Phil Labonte]

I no break all gas.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we can. I got will deport in, Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

To where?

[Shane Cashman]

Make it a show.

[Tim Pool]

Trump. Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to go to Paris.

[Shane Cashman]

That sounds like that sounds like too much fun.

[Tim Pool]

So we actually have this story from the Washington Post. Supreme Court now allows Trump to deport migrants to third countries. The case ended on President Trump's attempt to deport migrants to countries where they are not citizens, including conflict ridden South Sudan. Some dude comes here from Guatemala and it's like, off you go to South Sudan. I mean, that's going to. That's a deterrent, I'll say that.

[Tina Deskovich]

Of course. That's the headline from the Washington Post.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tina Deskovich]

The most. The craziest place that they can deport to.

[Tim Pool]

The Supreme Court on Monday cleared the way for Trump. The Trump administration to deport immigrants to countries where they're not citizens, temporarily blocking a decision by a lower court judge said migrants must have a meaningful opportunity to contest their removal. The court's order, which drew a sharp dissent from three liberal justices, was response to an emergency request by the admin and will remain in place while legal challenges to such removals make their way through the lower courts. As part of Trump's mass deportation efforts, the administrators attempted to send groups of migrants, some convicted of crimes in the US to countries other than their own, including to conflict ridden South Sudan. I can't believe that. That's ridiculous. Four individuals initially filed a lawsuit in Boston on behalf of all migrants potentially subject to third country removals, saying they are entitled to notice and an opportunity to raise fear based claims before deportation. To be honest, if you're from like, I don't know, Colombia or Honduras, and Trump's like, we're going to send you to Sudan, I think you have grounds to be like, I have fear of death if you send me there.

[Shane Cashman]

How does Sudan, how does Sudan feel about this? Have they been consulted?

[Phil Labonte]

The reason they're going to places like Sudan is, or ostensibly it's because their nation of origin won't take them back, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yes. But Sudan seems like a weird choice, like El Salvador.

[Shane Cashman]

I get Trump, just like that. Sounds good, to be fair.

[Tim Pool]

Like these people going to South Sudan, where are they from though? They may be from some neighboring country.

[Tina Deskovich]

Or something, or maybe there's no rhyme or reason at all. It's just, get them out of here. We don't.

[Shane Cashman]

It's a lottery.

[Tina Deskovich]

Yeah. It just doesn't even matter. They just need to go.

[Tim Pool]

One of the potential deportees is being held in a makeshift detention at the U.S. naval base in Djibouti. Is that. He pronounced it. Yeah, it is Djibouti under health hazards and threat of rocket attacks after the judge said a planned deportation flight to South Sudan violated his order. I gotta admit, it's kind of funny.

[Phil Labonte]

It's hilarious.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It is funny. I have concerns about it, but at the same time, don't illegally violate our laws and break into our country. And, you know, if you come here illegally, I'm not sure what degree of sympathies I'm supposed to have. If we just tell you to go away.

[Shane Cashman]

I like that. We went from sending them to Martha's Vineyard to sending them to South Sudan.

[Tina Deskovich]

Look, Desantis is the best.

[Phil Labonte]

Sending him to Martha's Vineyard was the pilot program. And then the. The.

[Shane Cashman]

He lucked out.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, they did. They did.

[Shane Cashman]

Until now.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, you want to lead with your best foot, you know.

[Tina Deskovich]

Did you guys see what the group in Colorado did with the.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, protecting the child rapist. Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, yeah.

[Tina Deskovich]

Colorado has lost its mind. And I could go into a million things about education that they're doing that are insane and attacking the, like, the worst cases of parental rights at their state legislature right now, dividing families. But this is. Takes the cake. They've got this group there that actually notified the child rapist illegal immigrant that ICE was on its way and let him get away.

[Phil Labonte]

It is.

[Ian Crossland]

That's like. They're high from oxygen deprivation.

[Phil Labonte]

It's infuriate.

[Ian Crossland]

It's crazy because they're super high.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, well, yeah, I pulled up South Sudan and their biggest city of Juba, which is pretty big. It's pretty big. There's a lot going on here. Looks like the roads are largely made of dirt. Large, largely dirt.

[Shane Cashman]

Make it our Australia.

[Tim Pool]

Houses are all. They appear to be. Shanty houses. I don't think they have. Okay. No, there you go. Regular. Regular houses. I'm just curious about the standard of living in. In Juba, they got a university, so maybe there's opportunity for some of these people here.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. You're selling it.

[Tina Deskovich]

Is it better than prison in the US or worse? That's the question.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I prefer exile anyway, so I think. I think they're better off. They got an international airport just out. Just out.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. You were saying, Tim? I think you said you. That I think it's okay that we just grab the illegals and get them out of here. I think you just said that you were pretty sure that it is. I think it depends on the validity of the law they're breaking. And this law about immigration seems like a pretty legit law. So in that instance, if you're here.

[Shane Cashman]

Illegally breaking the law, a legit law, too.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not like some Crazy law where, like, black people can't come to this country or stupid shit.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Phil Labonte]

So I think you say that.

[Tim Pool]

So let me just. Let me just say. I don't know which individuals were actually sent to South Sudan. It may actually be the people who are sent there are from a neighboring country or something. And that he's doing it because he's like, well, go back to, you know, you're. You're. Where you're from. However, under the assumption that potentially it could be someone from Guatemala that gets sent to South Sudan, I'd just like to point out that the per capita GDP of Guatemala is $6,682. 108th in the world. Yikes. What do y' all think is the per capita GDP of South Sudan? Any guesses?

[Phil Labonte]

God.

[Tim Pool]

Let's go.

[Ian Crossland]

Come on.

[Phil Labonte]

Three grand.

[Tim Pool]

What do you say?

[Ian Crossland]

1,200.

[Tim Pool]

What say you?

[Tina Deskovich]

$956.

[Tim Pool]

All right.

[Phil Labonte]

Is it real, Bob Barker?

[Shane Cashman]

I'm gonna say $1.

[Tim Pool]

$1. Closest without going over is Shane.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, There we go.

[Tim Pool]

$326 of adults. It's all 18 and over GDP per capita. $326. That's per year. I think that's like, the bottom. 194th is at the lowest in the world. It is.

[Shane Cashman]

Aren't we paying. Aren't paying people to leave, too? So I don't think they could become.

[Tim Pool]

Kings, yo, for real, it's the lowest.

[Tina Deskovich]

So how unfair, though. I'm gonna be the. The. Maybe the bleeding mom. It is the country to send them, like, the worst of the worst.

[Tim Pool]

No, no.

[Tina Deskovich]

That have come into our country. We're going to ship them off to a place that can't even probably afford law enforcement. Like. No, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. Listen, listen. If you're from, like, Guatemala and you're a farm worker or someone and you're making six, $7,000 a year, you are going to South Sudan as, like, a major expert. Like, they might be actually able to help South Sudan.

[Shane Cashman]

They'll be white collar.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they're gonna. They're gonna go there with degrees of positive things.

[Tina Deskovich]

Trying to make me feel better about it.

[Tim Pool]

Yo, this is wild. South Sudan is the lowest per capita GDP under Afghanistan, Yemen, Burundi. And who do you think number one is?

[Phil Labonte]

Haiti.

[Ian Crossland]

The number one gdp.

[Tim Pool]

Monaco.

[Phil Labonte]

Monica.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Number one GDP is Monaco.

[Phil Labonte]

Lois.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, actually, that's what I thought. It looks like they don't have numbers for Monaco and Lichtenstein, but Luxembourg, that's.

[Ian Crossland]

The number one gdp.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

There's this one Western African country that has a massive gdp.

[Tim Pool]

Ireland is number two.

[Shane Cashman]

Ghana.

[Tina Deskovich]

Really?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it was like a trade country. We just.

[Tim Pool]

US is second.

[Tina Deskovich]

The US it might be Ghana.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tina Deskovich]

Where's China?

[Tim Pool]

China. Let's find Jed. Oh, man. It's down there, huh?

[Ian Crossland]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, they got a lot of people.

[Tim Pool]

I pass it. There's. There's what? Taiwan. Oh, okay.

[Ian Crossland]

They're like, we have 1.4 billion. Because they tell us they've got over a billion people, which could.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, wow. China's 70.

[Tina Deskovich]

Wow. That's surprising.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it is, because they. I think they're lying about their population numbers. What? They really got 600, 000 people. Now you're going to see their GDP at like, number seven or six, you know?

[Tim Pool]

Yep. Macau tied at number seven. I don't know why they're doing that though. Is like. It says seven United States and Macau, but they clearly have different numbers. I don't know why they do that. No idea. Yeah. Number one, it says Monaco, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the highest GDP per capita.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. A lot of money. Loudoun county is the highest median income in the country, which is just across the street.

[Tina Deskovich]

Radical liberals, but.

[Shane Cashman]

But actually those moms helped win that governor election.

[Tim Pool]

But, But I work.

[Tina Deskovich]

I mean, you know, the field I'm in, they're terrible.

[Tim Pool]

But this is why Loudon was like the. The. Like the major ground zero. Yeah, yeah. Because it's actually pretty middle of the road. So you've got moderate liberal types disaffected, you know, disaffected former liberals and some conservatives. And then you find out what's going on. Your schools, people freak out.

[Phil Labonte]

Crazy.

[Tim Pool]

If it was far left, nobody would care. Like, look at L. A, we don't have protests in L. A over this stuff. They celebrate it. So the fact that Loudoun was fairly moderate and they had this far left stuff, it caused the uproar. So then people, you know, push back. But I just. I think we need to answer this question. Do you guys. How concerned are you with Trump sending illegal immigrants to any random country?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't care where they go.

[Tim Pool]

You don't care.

[Phil Labonte]

It's a. You just get them out. Get them out.

[Shane Cashman]

Ian cares.

[Tina Deskovich]

Sending them halfway across the world when they can never get back to where they're. I guess won't take them.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

They shouldn't have come here then.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, I'm talking about the.

[Tina Deskovich]

Country that they're sending them to. I feel bad for that.

[Shane Cashman]

I feel bad for our country.

[Tina Deskovich]

You know, it's like when Was it Britain sent all the. The criminals to Australia and the U.S. but Australia, I guess we did okay.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, we got Crocodile Dundee out of it. Get him out of here. Get him out of here.

[Ian Crossland]

I think I'm only concerned with contingencies of what could possibly happen, man. Because if you sent a lot of people to a country that had a hostile attitude towards us, they might use those people to do something to us.

[Shane Cashman]

They all hate us. They all hate everybody.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, check it out. I. I was looking at South Sudan. Here, pull this up. And I was trying to find, like, I like to look at cities and try to figure out where's their wealthy area. And, you know, I noticed trees. There's only some areas that have nice trees. So I zoomed in on this nice little cluster of areas with trees, and guess what I found?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Usaid.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, wow.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, nice.

[Tim Pool]

Good. So if you. So obviously, when. When you see all the trees and there's grass and it's well maintained, there's relative to everybody else. You got some wealth there. And it turns out USAID operating right there. Why not? No more.

[Shane Cashman]

Can we pull up Zillow?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Zillow for South Sudan. I mean, there's grass.

[Tina Deskovich]

Fun I've had in days.

[Tim Pool]

There's grass. You know, I'm like, someone's got money.

[Tina Deskovich]

The nicest building in all of Sudan. Building.

[Tim Pool]

Like, well, it's because it's like, who's got access to the trees? You know what I mean? You live in a nice area where there's grass, paved roads and trees. And I'm like, that's the wealthy.

[Ian Crossland]

If you can afford irrigation.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

They have sprinklers.

[Tim Pool]

That's wild, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

Cost an arm and a leg over there.

[Phil Labonte]

That curbs would be, like, the indicator of, like, affluent lifestyle in urban. Urban areas, you got curbs, you know, you've got things like, you know, indoor plumbing, and you're doing okay.

[Ian Crossland]

I kind of. Did you say he. Trump is floating the idea to do this.

[Tim Pool]

Apparently people are scheduled to go to South Sudan, and the question is, are they going to the capital, or might he send them to, like, Nagaro.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Rural. Yeah, Go to rural South Sudan.

[Tina Deskovich]

How far does this go? I mean, he sends them on a plane, they land at the major airport.

[Shane Cashman]

Take a parachute, and then they have to jump out of the plane.

[Tina Deskovich]

No, I mean, I'm assuming they go to the airport. And then what, they just open the plane and. I mean, do they put them on a bus?

[Phil Labonte]

They're no longer our problem. Once you get them to the airport. And off the plane.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't Giuliani do that? He, like, put all the homeless people.

[Shane Cashman]

On buses up to me in my neck of the woods. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Newburgh, New York, put them all on buses.

[Shane Cashman]

Newburgh became one of the worst cities in the country.

[Tim Pool]

You know, that's like, horrible, but kind of funny at the same time, you know?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. You know, it was a fun place to be as a teenager. Not good for family.

[Tina Deskovich]

The current governor's not doing. I mean, she's a raging liberal Democrat local. Oh, yeah, she's. I mean, she's kind of doing the same thing. I have an aunt that lives in outside of Utica and was in like a retirement community. And they actually took five, three of their five buildings for homeless people from the city that they brought up there and paid for them. And she just said it became drug infested.

[Shane Cashman]

And so they took away hotels that I have family members that were working at, like in bars and restaurants and gave those to illegals with the debit card money. You know, entire hotels just given.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, you brought up the British sending all those illegal, all those criminals to Australia. That happened. That's real. And, like, we're kind of in a situation right now where we're about, are we going to do that now? But they didn't have social media.

[Tim Pool]

They're not our criminals.

[Ian Crossland]

They're just criminals. Yeah, they're just criminal. They're not even our citizen criminals. They're just.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, that is kind of funny. Like, I have to imagine South Sudan saying, yes. I mean, I'll put it this way. You're South Sudan, right? Your average per capita GDP is 300 bucks. You're the lowest in the world. And Trump says, I can send you some guys from a country where they're on average making seven grand that are.

[Tina Deskovich]

Potentially child rapists, that are potentially murderers, many of them potentially that are drug dealers.

[Tim Pool]

That may be a step up for South Sudan.

[Tina Deskovich]

No. Jesus. Oh, this.

[Shane Cashman]

Maybe they go right to jail in South Sudan if they're one of those people.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to get a letter from the South Sudanese government. Being like, that was inappropriate.

[Shane Cashman]

They're going to war with Tim Pool. South Sudan versus Tim Pool.

[Tim Pool]

I actually, I actually do feel bad about that. The people of South Sudan are not bad people.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I need to rag on an entire nation of people who are just living their lives because they're poor stuff to.

[Ian Crossland]

Have them have to make a judgment call without having them here on the show. We should invite a South Sudanese person on the show. What? Yeah. I just.

[Tina Deskovich]

I just don't, like, never been in our country to start with.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tina Deskovich]

And so now it's our problem.

[Shane Cashman]

I imagine our government's going to coordinate with South Sudan.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that's what I'm looking that up right now.

[Shane Cashman]

If there's people who are evil like you're mentioning, they go away. You know, like the El Salvador prison.

[Ian Crossland]

Is Sudan like a.

[Shane Cashman]

That's where they belong.

[Tina Deskovich]

Go away. What is. What do you mean? They go.

[Shane Cashman]

This is a kid friendly show. I don't want to say. What I truly want to say are they.

[Ian Crossland]

They're 60% Christian. I don't know if it matters. How much? 30 much. 60% Christian.

[Shane Cashman]

That's what's up.

[Tina Deskovich]

More than the United States these days.

[Ian Crossland]

Are they like a puppet state of the U.S. no.

[Tina Deskovich]

Sudan.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, that's Haiti.

[Ian Crossland]

It's 60. Not that it matters.

[Shane Cashman]

Okay, where are we now, Tim? Is this GTA or is it local?

[Tim Pool]

This is South Sudan, apparently. I got no street view. I'm trying to find.

[Tina Deskovich]

We're just inside somebody's house.

[Tim Pool]

I think it looked like an establishment. I'm trying to find street viewpoints, but it's kind of. There's none. I think the airport might have some. Here we go, Juba. We'll click that button. Let's go to South Sudan. Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, there you go.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, oh, look, they have fire extinguishers.

[Tim Pool]

All right. I don't. I don't think this is South Sudan. It's just like a glory Regency Hotel. I don't know. Maybe it is.

[Ian Crossland]

They were at a level.

[Phil Labonte]

In the room.

[Tina Deskovich]

You can go in the room.

[Tim Pool]

I wonder why that was. I don't think there's a Gloria Regency Hotel right there. I think that's just a misplaced, misplaced street view. Okay, let's click that one. Yeah, I don't think it's kind of wild. There's nothing.

[Ian Crossland]

Since you're the roughly.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, here you go.

[Ian Crossland]

People are under 18 years old in this country.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, man.

[Tim Pool]

This looks like South Sudan.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Dirt roads. Everything's a dirt road. That's wild.

[Phil Labonte]

Like I said, man, curbs tell the story.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

Your town has curbs.

[Tim Pool]

And look at this Nexico. They got stuff going on down there. I bet they got great parties.

[Ian Crossland]

Do they get paid per. Per immigrant? What do you want to call. How you want to call these people? Are they getting paid? Are we, like, bribing them?

[Tim Pool]

Actually, actually, in all seriousness, what if Trump is saying we're gonna. The reason South Sudan's an Option is, he says, you hold these guys and we'll pay you a thousand bucks a year.

[Phil Labonte]

And they're like, oh, I mean, I don't know how. How they're, you know, what. How the deal is structured or whatever, but. But, you know, if they're not here, it's worth the money.

[Tina Deskovich]

I don't. I think that's actually a great idea. And then if they disappear, they just get the money. And if they don't disappear, they sit in a jail cell and it costs them $300 a year to cover them, and the country makes a profit.

[Ian Crossland]

So that's what they're doing in El Salvador, basically.

[Tina Deskovich]

It's a lot cheaper to put them in prison in Sudan than it would be in the United States. So I, you know, okay, you got. I'm coming around, I'm coming around.

[Phil Labonte]

Send them back.

[Shane Cashman]

Moms for Liberty is about to have a Sudan chapter.

[Phil Labonte]

The real reason, the biggest reason, want to send them back isn't just about sending them back and getting these people out. It's trying to disincentivize other people that are here from staying here. I want. I personally, I want to see pressure on. On anyone that would hire illegals. If you. If you knowingly hire illegal immigrants, like, you should lose your property. You should lose your business. Like, it should be really extreme because this is a massive problem for the United States, specifically when it comes to the. The way that the census is going to congressional districts and voting. So anything that we can do to get people to leave is good, in my opinion.

[Shane Cashman]

Gotta go, gotta go.

[Ian Crossland]

When you're embedded in the communities, with those people as your friends, it is. So that'd be so hard for. I'm just thinking about some of the people I worked with. I mean, I wouldn't be so hard, but I've worked at restaurants in Los Angeles and, like, dudes from Honduras and where.

[Shane Cashman]

You gotta divorce yourself in that compassion of yours to save the country. You get rid of anyone who broke the law to get here.

[Ian Crossland]

You just walk in one day and they're just all gone. Kind of like it'll feel like the Soviet Union, but, you know, it's not.

[Shane Cashman]

It's like, it's a rapture.

[Tina Deskovich]

Sign up right now. I think I heard on the news this morning, if they register with the government right now and go back, there's a path for them to enter legal 100%. So your friends, fellow friends at your restaurant, I mean, they, you know, they need to go home and do it right. And I. I think there's nothing wrong with that.

[Phil Labonte]

Nope. And most of America agrees, like, I mean, Trump has still, even after having like, you know, the news covering fights over immigration and stuff, the American people didn't like, didn't change their opinion about deport deportations. Like, there are a few places where it got heated and there was some protests because, well, you know, it's protest season and they ain't got nothing else to do. But for the most part, the American people are still on board. It's still two thirds of Americans want to see actual deportations. It's not just want to fix the border, it's fix the border and deport.

[Tina Deskovich]

Why is it so different from 2017 and 2018 when, I mean, the media was just, you know, there was no support for any deportations or the wall, if you recall, all of the news was about cages, kids in cages separating families. And it was dominating in the mainstream media and everywh. And. And some of it was. I mean, they were down there filming, crying, all the things. We're not seeing, you know, what's happening, but we're not seeing it in the mainstream news.

[Phil Labonte]

The world is. The world was a totally different place before 2020. 20, 202020 and Covid and the Summer of Love changed America in ways that I don't think we are ready. We have. We can even, we can even see yet.

[Shane Cashman]

And they, they also changed their tune, the media on deportations because they chose to not report on it really for Obama, who was the deporter in chief. And then when Trump came down, he was like the bad guy who didn't even build the cages. Those are the last guy's cages. Right. So they just chose not to like, make it a thing, but they really.

[Tina Deskovich]

Hung it around him. And it's. I mean, I remember, like, most of America did not support because they had to.

[Shane Cashman]

Now they are attached into being racist because of the whole Mexican thing and all that stuff. So it was like their way of, you know, conflating those and turning him to an evil guy.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[Ian Crossland]

The Venezuelan gangs that took over that.

[Phil Labonte]

Town and it didn't help.

[Ian Crossland]

That was like a flashpoint that woke so many people up because it was huge world global news. And then the news people in the news kind of pretend like it wasn't happening. And other people like, yo, I live here.

[Phil Labonte]

Not only that, but stuff like when JD Vance was talking about it and it was the I don't really care Margaret interview, I believe. But when he said, look, the proper number of apartment buildings to be taken over by trend Aragua is zero. That's the acceptable number. Any other number is unacceptable.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Let's jump to this story. We got this in the Daily Mail. Joe Scarborough defends Donald Trump easel. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. They say MSNB host, MSNBC host and notorious Trump basher Joe Scarborough stunningly defended the President's bombing of Iran over the weekend, saying Hillary Clinton and several previous presidents that have all done the same. He's not wrong about that. Morning Joe House surprising take came as discourse swirled about Trump's strike on fortified uranium enrichment facilities and blah, blah, blah. We get it. It. Look, I have no problem saying I called it, but so did everyone else. When Trump launched Tomahawk missile strikes in Syria, the media called him presidential. We, we knew if Trump launched a strike on Iran, the media is going to scream and clap and cheer. And here they are, or at least here's Joe. And you know what? One of the big reasons is one, they're all deep state warmongers, but their views go up. They can see when there's war. They look at their, their metrics and they're like, war is good because war scares people. And then people watch the news.

[Shane Cashman]

It's a doom economy.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I've been.

[Tim Pool]

If it bleeds, it leads to the news.

[Ian Crossland]

I've been attached for 48 hours since the bombs dropped. I've been just.

[Tim Pool]

That's the most news Ian's ever listened to.

[Ian Crossland]

Taking news and reading news.

[Tim Pool]

Ian doesn't, even when we're talking about news, he plugs his ears.

[Ian Crossland]

I did a two hour call with these Israelis. It was like, they call. It was like, like Zionist freedom fighters kind of tongue in cheek. But I was like, let's just see, let's go hang out. And they invited me up to talk and it's like, I've just been in the machine for 48 hours, man. Yeah, because I.

[Tim Pool]

And they wrote you a check to support them.

[Ian Crossland]

It's in the mail. They actually invited me to Israel in the mail. I was invited.

[Phil Labonte]

They call it shekels.

[Tina Deskovich]

I have a question, though. Because his viewers don't like Trump, probably on msnbc, so why wouldn't he just take the opposite and just bash Trump and, you know, pretend exposure on things that are made up like they always do. Why side with him? He can still pay. It's still news for him to fight it and come out and bash Trump about it.

[Tim Pool]

Because this is the one time for msnbc. Their ratings are probably greater than just the people who hate Trump. And so you've Got people tuning in now just looking for news. He wants to capture a new audience they want to get away from. We are the evil Trump. We only hate Trump. We offer no real news. But more importantly, they want to encourage Trump to do more. Trump the sucker for people kissing his ass. So when Trump turns on Scarborough and sees everybody cheering for him, he's gonna be like, yeah. And they're hoping he does more. Because I tell you this, the MSNBC producers are sitting there. I. You know, I was very crass on X when I posted about it, so I won't do that here. But let's just say they're excited in a matter of speaking, when they see those numbers. When Trump announces a strike, they immediately are just flush red. They're high five in, they're whipping out the blow, they're having a good time. And they tell Joe this is a good thing. Tell him to do more. Why? Because our ratings are 2x.

[Phil Labonte]

I think. I think it's partly because he wants to impress Mika Brzezinski, whose father was Big Nev. Brzezinski? Yeah, from the Council on Foreign Relations. So he's just showing off.

[Shane Cashman]

What did he do?

[Phil Labonte]

His warmonger cred for Mika to get her warmed up.

[Shane Cashman]

Who did he fund?

[Phil Labonte]

Who did he fund?

[Shane Cashman]

Pol Pot for Carter.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, did he really?

[Shane Cashman]

They funded Pol Pot. These people love blood.

[Phil Labonte]

The whole Morning Joe lineup is all like, cfr.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, dude.

[Phil Labonte]

Like all the. The international bureaucrats that you don't add people.

[Ian Crossland]

Pole Pot. Pol Pot. Can you explain?

[Shane Cashman]

It was a genocidal maniac who shot a lot of people, killed the Khmer Rouge, was tooth.

[Phil Labonte]

Or he killed 20 of the population.

[Ian Crossland]

Of Cambodia and they, like, marched people and had them die on the trail and all kinds of millions.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know. I don't know if there's any particular horrible Trail of Tears or anything, but it was. It was like there was 8 million people in the. In the country, and he killed 2 million of them.

[Ian Crossland]

And you say Mika's father funded this guy?

[Shane Cashman]

He was a. He was like a Carter guy. I forget what his title was, but they helped fund it to inflate it for some narrative they were spinning. I forget exactly what that was. It's been a while since I read about it, but, yeah, he was the guy, her dad. He did a lot of crazy things, but that's what I remember.

[Ian Crossland]

Of course, you're not. You're not your father, but you're definitely the person if you grow up with them.

[Phil Labonte]

She's in that. That class, though. If you're talking about the elite class that like, is. Is. Is tied into global politics and can't be removed. Mika Brzezinski is in that because it's people like Spigner Brzezinski from the Council on Foreign Relations and, you know, it's. It's people like Kissinger and stuff like that that had significant Clintons and stuff, have significant influence on, you know, global affairs.

[Shane Cashman]

Did you have something to say?

[Tina Deskovich]

A random question. I'm trying to understand your role in this group. Are you regular here? Just because.

[Ian Crossland]

Hilarious question.

[Tina Deskovich]

Yeah, it is. Because there's like this dynamic and then I'm an animal.

[Ian Crossland]

He's the wild card. My role is the healer. I'm the healer. You ever play role playing games?

[Tina Deskovich]

You always have a different take than everyone else at the table. Just a random.

[Tim Pool]

We think he was dropped as a child, but we're still trying to figure it out.

[Ian Crossland]

I was always singing as a child. He's very smart, but why he hums all the time.

[Tim Pool]

Well, his point is he wouldn't stop, so I kept hitting him, trying to get him.

[Ian Crossland]

I did get bullied as a kid. I'm just trying to make up for it now without doing something I regret.

[Tina Deskovich]

Curious.

[Ian Crossland]

Just curious.

[Shane Cashman]

Ian's great.

[Ian Crossland]

I think my role here is to heal the world with Internet video. To provide an opportunity for people to speak and be heard and to think very highly of himself and to subvert the narrative. Because I'll say really extreme stuff in a real casual, quick way and then we just laugh and move on. But I seed it into the consciousness. Like, I want to overthrow. I would love to see the Iranian. This totalitarian theocracy.

[Shane Cashman]

He's somehow like a soft hippie, but also he's talked about.

[Tim Pool]

He's talked about how the US should spread democracy to foreign countries.

[Phil Labonte]

He wanted Gaza first state.

[Tim Pool]

He wanted Gaza to be the 51st state.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm playing the. The global. The Art of War.

[Phil Labonte]

It was cool.

[Ian Crossland]

I really take the Art of War seriously. I think that we need to subvert the narrative using mass media of war.

[Tina Deskovich]

I mean. Okay, all right.

[Ian Crossland]

And so, you know, act weak when you're strong. That's why I act like a silly goof on this show so much.

[Tina Deskovich]

Okay.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. People give you a lot of, like, problems online, you know, and like, they. They'll see me and be like, whoa, what's up, Ian? I'm like, Ian's the man. And he also, like, pushes everyone to defend their point by saying something that might sound outlandish to some to people Watching.

[Tina Deskovich]

I like it, but there seems to be no consistency. Like he just pokes a hole, pokes a hole, pokes a hole. And I'm like, awesome, isn't it? Stands on anything.

[Ian Crossland]

Holes and ideas.

[Phil Labonte]

Love doing that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it may just be nuts.

[Shane Cashman]

No consistency. Crossland. That's what we call them around.

[Phil Labonte]

They're getting a piggyback.

[Tina Deskovich]

Sorry to derail the whole conversation.

[Ian Crossland]

I just, I'll be thinking like, I think so much, so much. And I'll be thinking about ideas and then I'll poke holes in my own ideas and I'll picture Tim telling me like, no. And I'm like, what would my friends say? I like picture having conversations with my fan. And I like, okay, criticize myself. So I do that to him. And you, when we're talking, I poke holes in you.

[Tim Pool]

The joke is, are you familiar at all with Dungeons and Dragons?

[Tina Deskovich]

A little bit.

[Tim Pool]

So simple version. When you're in the game, you will roll a 20 sided dice to determine whether you succeed or fail at certain tasks. If you roll a 20, it's called a critical success and whatever you're doing just works. And if you roll a one, it's called a critical failure and whatever you're doing just fails no matter what your stats are. The joke is that Ian can only either roll a one or a 20.

[Tina Deskovich]

You kept saying one, that's a one. Okay, got it.

[Tim Pool]

That's why the audience will post like there's no middle ground. Ian never says anything that's kind of like, oh, yeah, I guess it's either that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard or wow, that's a really great point. It's.

[Ian Crossland]

It, you know, and it's hyperbolic. I, I'm. I can be very middle of the road, but it's boring. I like to make big deals out of stuff. I mean it, dude. We're on one of the hottest shows on earth right now. Make fun of it. Like, enjoy life, do good. You know, I just think he's crazy. I'm the fool character. That archetype.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. Fool who?

[Ian Crossland]

Like Benjamin Franklin style. Like friend of the king, the party.

[Shane Cashman]

That hard.

[Ian Crossland]

He's no, he's no threat. He's just a goof. What do you, what do you think though? And the fool will tell him the truth.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I don't know. You've advocated for intervention and nation building.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I mean.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, someone's got to do it.

[Ian Crossland]

Depends on.

[Shane Cashman]

He's hippie Dick Cheney.

[Phil Labonte]

These nations don't build themselves.

[Tim Pool]

I used to be Just no more war. Look at South Sudan, right? They're in need of some regime change, right?

[Ian Crossland]

I used to scream, no more war. I used to just plainly say, we got to end all the wars and stop. Stop. And now I realize the nuance of. Of the global power structure. And sometimes you need to attack.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The liberal world order needs to maintain its. Its hegemony or they.

[Phil Labonte]

As I make a feeling, it makes.

[Ian Crossland]

Me very nervous because there's a. Going to be a new world order, but it's going to be mostly liberal.

[Shane Cashman]

Pinpointed real liberty of this dynamic. So she pinpointed a very important part of this entire dynamic.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Felt good. But then I got, like, really? I got, like, over stimulated.

[Tina Deskovich]

I'm sorry for dear.

[Phil Labonte]

Too much sugar.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it's funny because the chat is always ragging on him, but in real life, everyone I meet loves him.

[Shane Cashman]

Who gets the loudest applause?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. Like, because we. So we were at Turning Point usa, and Ian walks out. Everyone starts screaming as loud as they can. And then as we're leaving the show, Ian turns on and falls off the stage. Five feet and the ground.

[Ian Crossland]

I was totally fine.

[Tina Deskovich]

Is that on accident?

[Ian Crossland]

No, I didn't see the. I didn't see the hole.

[Tim Pool]

He bounced. Right. Oh. Because the way the stage was, it was like a straight path and then split. So Ian was walking backwards and turned to wave. It just went straight off.

[Phil Labonte]

It was.

[Shane Cashman]

It was loud.

[Ian Crossland]

I was like, in the moment. I started making YouTube videos in 06, and I was like, what would Jesus do with this technology? So I was able to clear my mind by being honest on the Internet. Because once you're honest, you. You don't get distracted by your secrets, and you don't have secrets anymore to get distracted by. And then you're very aware of your surroundings. So when I fell off the stage, I was like. Like it was in slow motion and I could move and land on my phone.

[Tina Deskovich]

You were okay?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tina Deskovich]

Did people. Everybody see you follow?

[Shane Cashman]

Just the backstage, the whole place, Everyone live streaming. Everyone. Like, millions of people.

[Tim Pool]

But the. But when Ian comes out, the crowd goes nuts.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

And I think it's because people largely view him as, like, a wild card that he. His, his, his. Whether intentionally or not, whatever it is he's claiming, like, he's saying he's doing on purpose. I don't know that he is, but it's okay because it's a curveball all the time, and that's kind of the point.

[Tina Deskovich]

Okay, well, I'm just gonna make it. I'm gonna make it loud and clear that I think you're fantastic. If you have that big of a following, I do not want to cross you.

[Ian Crossland]

My last name's Crossland. I like to listen. Listening is such a powerful tool.

[Tim Pool]

Let's talk about. Let's. Let's talk about parents. We got this from the Post. Millennial Parents Rights Group files Title 9 complaint against Smith College for allowing trans identified males into women's only school. Quote, quote. Ironically, in what appears to be yet another exercise in sex discrimination, Smith admits natal men who identify as women, but do not admit natal women who identify as men. Wow. Wait, really? That's hilarious. So there's a. There's a restaurant that I. I think is absolutely fantastic. It's called Founding Farmers. There's a bunch of them. You guys ever been there? It is. Holy crap. There's one in Reston in Loudoun County. So, you know, it's going to be, you know, putting on Ritz, right? When you're walking into this shopping district, they have, like, these gigantic LED screens of an aquarium. Just. It's nuts. And then you walk into this place and their Saturday Sunday brunch, it is amazing. And they sell this bourbon barrel aged maple syrup. I love this place. And I went there this weekend and one of the servers walked up, said, I'm a huge fan, man. And I was like, wow, thank you very much. And then when I went to the bathroom, the bathroom door says M and W in mind, body and spirit. And I was like, okay, that's kind of weird and creepy. And I wonder if they have to do it because of the district, because it's Virginia, right? So they just put it up. But these are shared bathrooms. So I just think, like, I don't. I shouldn't derail off of this story and what's going on? I'm just saying, I just find that I took a picture of it. It is very strange. And as a dude, I don't really care if a woman walks into the bathroom when I'm like, dropping a deuce. It's like, if the problem's hers, not mine. But if you're a woman, I can understand if, like, some dude walks in, you're going to be upset.

[Tina Deskovich]

I'm not using that bathroom. Like, I will hold it for days before I'll walk into that bathroom, unless I have somebody to guard it and make sure nobody else walks in.

[Tim Pool]

Then some dude's gonna walk and be like, excuse me, Bob. And she's gonna be like, I. Someone's in there. And it's like, yeah, well, I'm gonna. They're gonna push him out of the way and go in there. It's gonna cause a scene.

[Tina Deskovich]

Okay, then I guess I just hold it for days.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

Look, man, all the options are on the table.

[Ian Crossland]

This. Is this your organization?

[Tina Deskovich]

No, this is defending Ed. Good friends of ours, Nikki Neely, their president over there, and she works very closely with Moms for Liberty. But the Smith College or university up there. Smith College is one of the largest women's universities in the country. And this lawsuit is justified because the people at the school, the faculty at the school have lost their minds. Truly. They. They're violating their admissions policy. They're violating their equal opportunity employment policies by trying to walk this line of sex and gender ideology, conflating them, basically. I mean, you can't. You can't follow Title nine, you can't file Title IX and your admissions policy to say that you're not going to discriminate against sex and then say you're going to follow gender identity. And so they just got a mess on their hands, and this lawsuit goes after all of those prongs.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I do see some benefit to all of this in that it shows how the Civil Rights act is. It makes no sense on paper. The issue with most law is that we interpret it as to what makes sense. So, for example, with the Civil Rights. Civil Rights act, they were like, okay, we're no more racial discrimination, segregation. It makes no sense. Right. Why have a white bathroom and a black bathroom, Right. Okay, let's get rid of that. Now. It's just. You got a bathroom, okay, Men's, men's room and women's room. Everyone agrees.

[Tina Deskovich]

Agreed.

[Tim Pool]

Now the gender activists are going, whoa. The same law that got rid of racial segregation should get rid of sexual discrimination as well. Meaning no more men's and women's room. You just have bathrooms. You can't discriminate on the basis of sex. So courts have ruled that you can discriminate so long as you offer up an alternative to that group. That way, it's not real discrimination because everyone has access to the same thing. Which this is what we saw in the UC system in California makes no sense because that literally means you can have a white bathroom and a black bathroom because both groups are getting a bathroom. So now that the gender activists are arguing that the Civil Rights act is hypocritical because it should completely get rid of sex segregated spaces, they need to.

[Ian Crossland]

Specify, then it's not just about. About things you can't change about yourself. Sexuality and race are completely different things, immutable differences.

[Tina Deskovich]

You can't change your skin color, but there's, you can change if you're a man or a woman in your brain. That's not equal to at all.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the, the arguments that they've made is the prerequisite for a protected civil right or practice group is immutability. Except in the instance of religion, I suppose. However, the, the argument falls down to how do you determine race then? Because there's going to be some dude who's, you know, looks as wide as they come and he's gonna be 1/8th or a quarter black or something, and then people are gonna say you don't qualify, but he's going to on paper. And then who gets to decide whether someone looks enough like the race? So I think ultimately what's exposed by this is it's actually not the law. It's the spirit and the intent of what the law was supposed to be. And the Civil Rights act was specifically about ending racial segregation. So they did. But now, you know, I'll use an example, use a different example. When New York City banned public drinking, there was a quote from a councilman who said something like, like, let it be said this law will never be construed to stop a man from having a beer while he's on lunch. You know, at work they were concerned about public drunkenness. Where are we now? Okay. If you're sitting on your porch in New York and drink a beer, they will give you a ticket. That was never what was intended to happen. What happens is a generation or two goes by, they read what the law says and they say, the law says what it says. We're going to do it. And now gender activists have been arguing that under the same law, you can't segregate based on sex because it violates the law the same way racial segregation was violated.

[Tina Deskovich]

I would say that that's all been done on purpose and intentional. And I don't want to take you through a long history lesson here that you probably already know, but you can go back to the dear colleague letter from the Obama administration and where they started changing Title IX then. And they purposely used statewide organizations, especially with school districts and such, to make sure that gender identity was placed in state civil rights codes in school district policies. And I was part of that debate when I was running for school board in 2015 because our school district was adding gender identity to our non discrimination policy. It was happening all across the country during these same couple of Years. And I remember the school board because I went back just a couple years ago and went and rewatched it and replayed it because we had a specific school board member who said, I'm voting for this tonight because I just want to make sure our LGBTQ community is safe. This is not about bathrooms. Because we had hundreds of pastors and speakers that were saying, this is gonna lead to boys and girls bathrooms and locker rooms. This is horrible. And they laughed at him and made fun of them. And the school board member said, just like the drinking story, you just said, this has nothing to do with locker rooms or bathrooms. I would never vote for this if I thought a boy would be in a girl's bathroom. And here we are just a few years later, and it's all about boys in girls bathrooms.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep. The idea that you can limit the government, once you empower the government, that you can limit where they're going to apply whatever power they have, that, that just doesn't work.

[Tina Deskovich]

You have to think through it. You have to see it through the end. And people don't do that. It's unfortunate.

[Shane Cashman]

Are you seeing schools getting crazier now after Trump second term, or are they getting. Trying to get better?

[Tina Deskovich]

Are you, Are you watching the news?

[Shane Cashman]

They are pushing back pockets of it.

[Tina Deskovich]

But like, yeah, yeah, he writes an executive order that says no more boys and girls sports. And there's whole states pushing Maine. I mean, the whole states are pushing back and saying, you know, given the middle finger and fighting it.

[Tim Pool]

Why aren't women refusing to compete?

[Tina Deskovich]

Mostly, and in our case, it's K12 girls. And some are, you've seen over the last few weeks, they're stepping off the podium, but where are the parents? You watch your daughter get up at 5am every morning and work her tail off year after year after year, and she wants to compete. As a mom, I'm not going to tell my daughter she can't compete.

[Tim Pool]

I would. I mean, with all due respect, my.

[Tina Deskovich]

Child is new and four month old.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Tina Deskovich]

Four month old.

[Tim Pool]

So I don't have that same experience. But I. I genuinely believe that part of the problem is that women support it. They. They may not literally support it in their minds, but they will speak out in support of it and they will push deep, they will push down. So I'll put this way, they may be thinking in their mind, this is so dumb. Why is this allowed? And then they'll come and say, this is so beautiful and amazing. And that perpetuates it. If, like with most issues, if Every parent just said, my daughter will not compete. It would be over in 10 minutes.

[Tina Deskovich]

But every parent won't, because there are parents that don't want to be shamed, don't want to be bullied, don't want to be attacked, and their children are following in their footsteps. But I think courage is bringing on more courage. We're seeing more and more girls step up or step off the podium for the awards ceremony, and I think that's going to continue. And Moms for Liberty is going to be in this fight the entire way. We have filed numerous lawsuits. We've started collecting. So one of the executive orders was that the. Or the Department of Education put a portal on their website so some of these complaints could be filed there. And then there was a federal injunction that they had to take it down. And so what we've started doing is collecting them on our own so that we can submit them as a whole without the portal that's got the injunction against it. And we've collected over 150 claims so far. To your. To answer your question, is it still going on? Yeah. And that's only been pushed out to our chapter leaders. We haven't even opened it up nationwide yet. I'm imagining we'll have thousands the minute we do.

[Shane Cashman]

Like I imagine it's gonna get worse because they're. They're trying to rebel against Trump. Right. Like, I taught at a college for many, many years, and every semester they would get more deranged.

[Phil Labonte]

How much do you. To Shane's point, how much is it true belief in what they're talking about and how much of it is just. Just, you know, I'm mad at Trump because Trump's my dad, and I'm mad at that, like, because there's. There's got to be a significant portion of people that will just push back because it's the right. Because it's Trump. Without putting any thought into the actual issues at hand, do you.

[Tina Deskovich]

Well, we know from polling, all kinds of polling from all different organizations, this is polling about 80%. So 80% of America does not want boys in girls sports. And yet you've got whole states that are pushing back against that entire universities, entire school districts. And so that would tell me that those in power are playing a political game.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. It's not like all the students at the college are deciding it. It's the administration and who's running the administration making that decision.

[Tina Deskovich]

Yeah, colleges, you know, I'm not as familiar with. Because we don't. We don't really dive into that a ton. But I see what I see on the news. Just like you guys too. There's an awful lot of radical liberals on our campus. Emphasis right now.

[Ian Crossland]

The reason I feel so hopeful and I am in an echo chamber in a bubble, but is Riley Gaines. It's people like Riley Gaines that are like, this girl is like a movie star. Like a. Like she appeared like a hero in a movie and just is like fitting this position.

[Tim Pool]

Inevitably, Simone Biles deleted her ex account.

[Ian Crossland]

She had like 2 million followers.

[Tina Deskovich]

Isn't that fabulous? I mean, not. Not that she deleted her ex account. Who cares? But that she backed down and ran away. Yeah. Truth spoken to her and once called out on it.

[Tim Pool]

What's an 8020 issue? When you look at the, like the Pew research on every metric. Support for transfers has declined. And I would call it like opposition to these movement has. Has been increasing even among Democrats, every demographic. And then it was very strange for Simone Biles to come out insulting, wrongly. Riley Gaines accusing her of being 5 10, which was really weird. Like, like this is the problem with the cult. Okay. Dave Portnoy met up with. Was it Steve Ducey, I think on Fox and Friends. And you know what they did? He stood side by side with Ducey and he was like, this is what they do. They call me short. Watch this. Stand there.

[Tina Deskovich]

How tall?

[Tim Pool]

You do see, he's like 5, 10, 5. What? They stand next to each other in the same height and he's like, they're all trying to claim that I'm short because that's what they do. And he's right. It's what they do. Activists go online and they say, Ben Shapiro is short. Ben Shapiro is not short. I think is like 5, 8. So technically slightly below average or whatever. But 5, 5, 9 is average. So Ben being 58 is only technically short. You'd meet him, you go, oh, he's actually like not short. They claim that I'm short. And then people are like, oh, I thought you were short. I'm like, I'm like 5:10, 5:11 ish. When they watch this videos of me skating, they're like, Tim actually looks very big. And they also claim in the inverse, Riley Gaines is massive and manly and masculine and she should have won. They do this because they want to create in the minds of cultists. In the, in the case of Riley Gaines, she's just as big as Leah Thomas. That's why they tied. And then in reality, you're like, Riley Gaines is fought what, five, five. I'm like, that five but that's why Simone genuinely believed that Riley was massive, because they intentionally lied to confuse the issue.

[Phil Labonte]

And Simone is so little. Like, like she. Riley does seem gigantic to her because someone buys like 410 or something like that for like, she's really, really someone. Miles is very small.

[Ian Crossland]

Did she delete her account because she was ashamed that she'd been spouting the misinformation?

[Tim Pool]

Four, eight.

[Shane Cashman]

I doubt it.

[Tim Pool]

Whoa. Or eight.

[Phil Labonte]

So, you know, like, Riley's almost a foot taller than her.

[Tina Deskovich]

5, 8, 5, 10, 6 foot. It's all the same when you know. Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Seriously, man, it'd be a cool culture.

[Ian Crossland]

Where to get those two on. Wow. I haven't really been following the. The drama with them. What exactly happened?

[Shane Cashman]

I didn't see it at all.

[Phil Labonte]

Twitter beef.

[Tim Pool]

She. She told Riley to pick on someone her own size, which, ironically, would be a man.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, okay.

[Tim Pool]

And. And that's the point. Riley Gaines is five. Five. She's average women. Woman height. But Simone is probably told by all these activists she's this massive woman who's mad that she. She tied to a man who was the same size as her part of.

[Tina Deskovich]

But then she doubled down and was supporting men and women's sports. And so everybody started piling on and said, as a female athlete, how can you do this? And so I don't know why she ultimately shut her account down, but because.

[Tim Pool]

It'S an 8020 issue and she was probably. Her Q rating was shattering. Trump won the popular vote. And he. And the most effective thing, according to, I think like the New York Times and Wall Street Journal, they ran this. Trump's gender advertising when they said kamala is for they. Them. Trump is for you was one of the most effective ad campaigns that the Trump supporters ran. Simone Biles comes out on the other side of an 8020 issue. Her phone was probably lit up with people saying, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. And then the worst thing was she. She had an AI generated apology. @ least I think it's reasonable to conclude it was AI. It used the. The. The. What is it called? The brackets. Not the brackets. The dashes. M dashes.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

No one writing something online uses M dashes.

[Shane Cashman]

I do.

[Ian Crossland]

What's M dashes?

[Tina Deskovich]

It's a long dash.

[Shane Cashman]

You never see it. You never see it.

[Tim Pool]

It's dash.

[Shane Cashman]

When a longer dash.

[Tim Pool]

Instead of using a colon or a semicolon, you. You. You break up the. The. The subject or whatever with it with a long dash. Nobody does that. AI does that. So when she published this, people were like a PR firm. Rant, use, use chat GPT to generate an apology and posted it. And then everyone attacked her like crazy. Made things worse. And you know, probably happened. She probably then went to an actual PR firm and they said, stop pouring gas on the fire. Delete your account.

[Shane Cashman]

I feel like that's more gas.

[Ian Crossland]

She could turn it back.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Shane Cashman]

Instead of walking away and not doing anything.

[Tim Pool]

Technically you're right. But I think she probably got rid of it because her phone was just.

[Shane Cashman]

Constantly going, blowing up.

[Tim Pool]

You got it. You got to deactivate. You can't use it anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

With the, the kit, the kit, the, the, the sports thing with the men and women's sports, I think there's two, there's two things that are happening at once. There's the fairness of it. Like having a, a six foot dude that is taking chemicals and wearing a wig and just beating on a girl or blowing past her in the, in the, in the pool obviously is bizarre in some way. In some ways to a lot of people that's happening. But then there's the whole trans thing that happened over the last 10 years. Like Chloe Cole, when she was, I think 14, she transitioned to a boy, had her breasts removed. And then she woke up and realized what the fuck is. What have these people told me? What have these doctors done to me? And now she travels the world explaining what she's gone through and all these kids are waking up and realizing they're okay.

[Tim Pool]

You are, you are you. As I was explaining earlier about my daughter who a burp was the worst experience she's ever had because she's a baby. A 14 year old is also limited in their experiences and don't understand. That's why we protect children.

[Ian Crossland]

I took it for granted, man. I had Mr. Rogers and he would tell me stuff that my parents had told me years. Okay, just who you are, that's okay. And I just don't. I just took it for granted that everyone, I thought everyone was told that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But now, you know, I'm really, really freaked out and disgusted by Coco Melon and Miss Rachel and stuff like this. It is nightmare, dystopia level stuff. I mean, I feel like if you went back 20 years and not maybe, maybe go to the 90s, go to the early 90s and make a film where in the future when a baby cries, the parent, parent takes a, like a, a stone, scrying stone and puts it in front of the baby and presses play and a woman just stares at her and goes oh, they'd be like, this is a nightmare. What is going on? And it's like in the year 2025, parents no longer look at their kids. The machine teaches your children. And then it's not just Coco Melon and Ms. Rachel. A lot of this kid's programming is deranged. Like, now we can talk about Elsa, Gate, and all the really weird stuff, but even the general kid stuff where it's like counting and it's some like fat, disgusting guy who's like barking and making strange sounds and then like hitting things with hammers. I'm like, parents are putting this in front of their kids. Their brains will be turned to jello.

[Shane Cashman]

It's crazy to me that there's popular channels for kids to watch other kids open up toys and play with them. Yep, that is so. And they're like millions and millions of views.

[Tim Pool]

They're huge. It's because parents don't want to watch their kids.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, They've outsourced it to everything. Public schools, to YouTube.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this, this, this happened today as well. My daughter started crying because she wanted to watch the five.

[Phil Labonte]

Gene Shapiro's not on anymore, right?

[Tim Pool]

Gene Shapiro.

[Phil Labonte]

She'S not on anymore. And your daughter, she loves Gutfeld. Oh, Gutfeld.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. And so she's crying and then. And my wife is like, what's wrong? And she burps her. And then when she holds her down, she looks straight up at the TV and then stops crying. And my wife's like, absolutely not.

[Tina Deskovich]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

That happened to me when I was four with the Atari. I remember my cats died and I was crying and I came in, I sat down and played Atari and immediately stopped crying. I was like, I'm not sad. And I remember as a four year old thinking, if I'm ever sad, I can play video games and it'll go away.

[Tim Pool]

This is a true story, by the way. When Jesse Watters on the screen, my daughter cries. It's not just Jesse, it's everybody. When Greg is on, she stops and she just stares.

[Ian Crossland]

I was gonna just indiscriminately insult.

[Tina Deskovich]

We're hearing who you like and don't like through your daughter.

[Tim Pool]

I, I'm a big. I, I think Jesse Waters is fantastic and I think the cast of the Five is all fantastic except for Tarlov. She is the absolute worst. She goes on the five and she's like, did you see? And her mouth shakes side like, what is that? Jessica, what is up with the. I hope you're listening. Listen. Have you noticed liberals, when they talk their mouth Goes like this.

[Shane Cashman]

Destiny, like talking like this.

[Tim Pool]

And their mouth swings left and right when they're talking. I'm like, why is their jaw doing Adderall? It's called meth mouth. It's Adderall. I don't know if she does that. But anyway, I digress. I'm not trying to rag on her for the way her mouth moves. She says, donald Trump's polling is now minus 16. It's so awful. And I'm like, every single day, the first thing we do is I pull up, up the aggregate polling ratings for Trump on all of the issues as well as Congress. And I check those every day. Trump's actually been doing fairly well. Slightly down when you track across all polls. He's gone down a little bit across all the metrics, but he's chilling. Slightly below the margin of error, maybe around like -4 in aggregate. It's hard to know. She goes on TV and just says this. And I'm like, where's Jesse or anyone else to tell her she's. She's wrong. To be like, that is incorrect. You've cherry picked a random poll, which we call static. These people, these liberals will wait until one poll gives a swing result and then go, look how bad Trump is doing. And then if you actually track all the polls, you're like, Trump's down 0.3. It's like, not even that big deal.

[Ian Crossland]

An AI that is like an overlay on news that is constantly criticizing the newscaster and saying, this is right, this.

[Shane Cashman]

Is wrong, but you can't trust the AI. Yeah, that's like asking fact checkers, you know, open.

[Ian Crossland]

That's true too. But like an open source product that you could apply to your Roku or something.

[Shane Cashman]

You definitely use it as a tool.

[Phil Labonte]

Get that by watching streamers on Twitch and.

[Tim Pool]

And as we just mentioned earlier, current versions of ChatGPT and, and Grok does this way worse. They make things up. The crazy thing is grok makes fake URLs.

[Shane Cashman]

I haven't seen that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I asked it for a news story and it, and it said, here's a story about this thing. It gave me a link and I clicked it and it said, cannot find this story. So it looks like it's been deleted. But Grok was telling me a story happened that never happened using a fake link to a real website.

[Shane Cashman]

Did Elon like, say some mean things to Grok this weekend or something?

[Tim Pool]

Grok said that the right is more violent than the left, and he responded, that's objectively false. We're Going to fix it. It is objectively false.

[Shane Cashman]

That's good.

[Tim Pool]

So what happens is the right is not organized. The right doesn't understand why protests are important. Important protests are important for one reason. When a liberal opens their app and they see 500 people protesting and they're told the whole world has risen up, their brain sees a massive crowd and goes, wow, it's everyone. And then it's this tiny little group. They think they are the majority because they see a group of people on the screen. So when the right doesn't protest and doesn't organize, people on the left don't see this and they just think, but nobody supports the right. It's always the left.

[Tina Deskovich]

I think you can take that further. And elected officials will vote one way or another, depending on the amount of people they see rise up or on social media, how many postcards they get. Yeah, well, I mean, I saw that. I served on School Board 2016-2020 after Parkland, and we were just two districts north of that, and we were voting on arming staff to protect schools. And for weeks, Moms Demand Action came in and Red for Ed came in in their red shirts. Thousands of them. All the things laying on the ground, tombstones, ketchup on them or killing them, because we wanted armed security in our schools. But we stood as an entire board and superintendent, who he was a Democrat. We had, I think, a Democrat on the board, an independent, something like that. A mix of people, mostly conservative, but others too. And we stood in a press conference publicly and said we were going to support arming staff. Period. End of story. We're going to vote on this. We're bringing it for debate in one meeting and we're going to vote on the next meeting. After about six weeks of Mom's Demand Action and Red Fred showing up in their red shirts, last man standing was me. The only one that voted for it on the night because of all the theatrics, because of all the protests, when I live in a 60% red community that absolutely supported it. But they didn't come out to speak or to show up.

[Shane Cashman]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, because they were intimidated.

[Tina Deskovich]

I don't think they were intimidated. I think they were emotionally swayed. I watched it happen one by one.

[Shane Cashman]

Just caves, well, what's worse, actually, that's.

[Tina Deskovich]

I didn't, to be honest. You know, I never want to give anybody credit for starting Moms for Liberty, but I experienced that and I saw that. And so when I wanted to create a group to represent conservative values, to be impactful in school and policies that affect children and families and parental rights. You know, what am I going to do? Well, we're going to have blue shirts. We're not going to have red shirts. We're going to do the same type of thing because there's no counter pushback. There's nobody else protesting from our side.

[Shane Cashman]

Because we David Hogg show up.

[Tina Deskovich]

David Hogg went after me on, on, on Twitter at the time a ton during that time period. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we're gonna go to your chats, my friends. So smash that like button, share the show with everyone you know and turn up the knob and rip it off. We're gonna go to that uncensored show at 10pm on rumble.com timcast IRL. But for now, we will read what y' all have to say. Kimmy Hunt says, I've been a Tim cast member from the beginning. I'm battling cancer and need your help. Could you please share I'm a boomer and share you all the time. Thank you. GiveSendGo.com KimmyGuy GUI I'm sorry to hear it. I, I hope everything goes well. I wish you the best. Best of luck. That's GiveSendGo.com Kimmy Guy thanks Kimmy.

[Ian Crossland]

Have your endocrine system will relax. Let your alkalize your lymphatic system. You'll be okay.

[Tim Pool]

Sailor Motico says Dave Smith's career only casualty in the US Career only casualty in U. S. Iran war career is.

[Ian Crossland]

The only casualty in the war.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I see. Dave Smith's career.

[Ian Crossland]

Dave Smith is a North Star. I, I can't, I can't speak for him but he's been principled and direct and honest and this essentially saying the same things for at least five years since I've ever known him, I've never seen him oscillate. He's probably learns new information integrates it but the guy's like, I mean about as legit of a, of a, a, of a speaker as you can have. So I'm not, I don't quite understand that.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Barry and McGrown says those 72 virgins must be getting old by now. They all must be in nursing homes by now. It's 72 year old virgins.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, let's go.

[Tim Pool]

I think family guy made the joke that they were all male nerds. Yeah, the guy goes to heaven. It's a bunch of dorky guys being like we're playing Dungeons and Dragons.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, exactly. Dnd everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

Dnd everywhere. Shear Gall says, can you add a sneak attack Counter for the entertainment to the chat. It wasn't a sneak attack Trump did launch. I, I disagree in a sense, I guess it's fair to say negotiations ended and Trump said he may or may not do it. So that's technically not a sneak attack. If he had said, we're not going to strike, let's get back to the negotiating table, and then did it. So it's half with.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I, well, I think it was a full on sneak attack they sent me. He said he might bombers out west to get him off the trail.

[Tim Pool]

And that's not a sneak, though, that's a decoy.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, not necessarily. So sneak attack. It's a deceptive attack, however you want to call it.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it's sneak attack, implying it was done in secret to deceive them.

[Ian Crossland]

He told them, they don't see.

[Tim Pool]

He said, I may or may not do it. I will make a decision within two weeks. And then he did it.

[Phil Labonte]

He also gave them 60 days and started attacking after this on the 61st day. And he'd also been saying that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon since like 2011. So. So it's not really a shock. There was warning. There were signs.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Pinochet says, Tim, you asked what determines what sends someone to South Sudan? You need to understand what someone did to have to be set in a South Sedan and then shown the door. I imagine it's bad, it's flying. Says Trump's greatest gift is to make people realize that they have to talk to one another. I don't know. I got friends who are liberals and they are going, culture, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like a lot of my friends are, are soothing. And there's a few of my friends that are like, it's getting, I don't know. I haven't seen them in so long. Like, the conversations become so. I don't want to manifest this horror, you know, I don't want to make it worse than it, than it could be because it could be great. But I, I feel what you're saying.

[Tim Pool]

Pinochet says the people sent to South Sudan are guilty of heinous crimes where they are from as well as what they did here. Most already serve times in our time in our jails. They can't stay here in Sudan. They are released. Interesting.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm gonna head out, guys.

[Tim Pool]

All right.

[Ian Crossland]

Shane Catchman.

[Shane Cashman]

So good see you, buddy.

[Ian Crossland]

Love you.

[Tim Pool]

Where can everybody find you?

[Shane Cashman]

You can find me at Shane Cashman. Everywhere online. The show is inverted world live YouTube rumble. The phone lines will be open from 10 to 12 tonight, Monday through Thursday. We'll see you guys there. Thank you for having me.

[Tim Pool]

Everyone can call?

[Shane Cashman]

Everyone can.

[Tim Pool]

How many callers do you get through per night?

[Shane Cashman]

Depends on how many questions we get through in the story. On average, between.

[Tim Pool]

You said a serial killer called it.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, it's possible.

[Tim Pool]

The guy in Austin.

[Shane Cashman]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't there.

[Shane Cashman]

They're worried about one in New England. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Really?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I heard there's a serial killer in Austin who kills gay dudes.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. They find him in the.

[Tim Pool]

In the river there.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Do they? That they think someone's drugging. There was a story where a guy said he went to a bar and he had someone. He was not a gay guy. Yeah, he. He was. He. He got drugged off his drink and someone tried pushing him over and then he, like, was able to get away or someone stopped him.

[Phil Labonte]

It.

[Shane Cashman]

Someone keeps saving them, though. There's someone who was saved out of the river, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Whoa.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Lindsey Graham. Be careful in Austin.

[Ian Crossland]

What's the topic? Do you have a topic for your. The show tonight?

[Shane Cashman]

I'm going to talk about a giant eyeball falling out of the sky and some UFOs that.

[Tim Pool]

That giant steel UFO they found?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It might be part of a weather antenna, but we'll find out later.

[Ian Crossland]

Really?

[Shane Cashman]

Spoiler alert.

[Tim Pool]

Interdimensional Sasquatch.

[Shane Cashman]

See you guys.

[Tim Pool]

All right. See you later, man.

[Tina Deskovich]

Nice to meet you.

[Tim Pool]

All right. But I was talking to Thomas Massie earlier, and I said, you know, because he was like, he doesn't want to vote for the big beautiful bill. And I was like, yeah, but they got the Short act and the Hearing Protection Act. And then he was like. He jokingly said, you know, maybe if they repeal the nfa, I'd vote for it or something. And I'm like, do it. I mean, Massey, when. When Trump calls and says, I want you to vote on the bill, say, repeal the NFA and I'll do it. Yeah, like, the good outweighs the bad. Come on, let's go.

[Phil Labonte]

Funny.

[Ian Crossland]

That was a good interview you guys did today. 30 minutes on your channel.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Just talking. So good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very familiar. Think he would.

[Ian Crossland]

You think he'd compromise on it if.

[Tim Pool]

He could get the NFA feeling? The NFA is so big, man. I don't know if he actually would. But do you know the NFA is National Firearms Act? Yes, it.

[Tina Deskovich]

Yeah, Vaguely familiar.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. It should be repealed. Makes no sense. There was a. A photo of an ICE officer with a rifle and had a suppressor. On it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And all these liberals like, why does a. Why does an ICE agent need a. A silencer? There's only one reason. Because they literally don't know anything about guns. It's like, guys, it's not going to go pew, pew, pew. It's going to go bang, bang, bang. But it will be safer for everybody. But they don't get it. They don't get it. They watch too many movies.

[Phil Labonte]

I posted that picture and I was like, this is just safety equipment. It got like a million.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Actions.

[Tim Pool]

Disgruntled vet says. My two deployments in Iraq, it taught me an important thing. Muslims respect power and see compassion as weakness. P.S. please make a Civil War board. What is that, a Civil War board board game or what is that?

[Phil Labonte]

Like. Like an advent calendar through the countdown to the Civil War. And inside there's like, you know, like, things to make homemade weapons.

[Tina Deskovich]

Things. Things that are happening that are moving us closer to civil War, you know, would move them in place.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Tom, Billy, who said when a nation's. What is it? Debt to GDP ratio 130, and we're at like, 122. And it's rapidly.

[Tim Pool]

Aren't we. Are we at 128?

[Ian Crossland]

128.

[Tim Pool]

Is it?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I think he says that's when they. When they collapse or what?

[Ian Crossland]

That's when civil war usually breaks out.

[Tim Pool]

And he's actually probably talking 123. Yeah, you were right.

[Phil Labonte]

He's talking about something that Ray Dalio.

[Ian Crossland]

Probably said we desperately need to resolve this economic system. But I think it's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there's. There's other concern that the Pentagon warned of an Iranian cyber attack.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So of course, some people are genuinely like, I think Iran's going to hit our grid. Then there are people saying the US Is going to intentionally sabotage the grid as a justification for going to war.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, didn't they take out a bunch of Iranian bitcoin?

[Tim Pool]

Crypto in general.

[Ian Crossland]

So do you have your bitcoin and cold storage off the web yet? Because it might be a good idea. Might be a good idea.

[Tim Pool]

That's the crazy thing about crypto.

[Phil Labonte]

Get your keys.

[Tim Pool]

Like someone robs a bank and steals all the gold, your money's gone.

[Ian Crossland]

I got something called a ledger where I can plug it in my computer and get my keys local. So they're not on, like, Binance. I hold a lot of my crypto local.

[Phil Labonte]

Smart.

[Ian Crossland]

Technically, it's still online. I just have the keys local.

[Phil Labonte]

So. Yeah, well, I mean, that's the way that it works.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Ready to rumble. Says Tim is delusional, thinking Iran can push a button that will cost the US billions. Why haven't they. Tim, you are fake news. You are fake news. No, you're fake news. You know, what do you. Who are you, huh?

[Phil Labonte]

Just coming in here, all each other names.

[Tim Pool]

Why haven't they? Because for the same reason, people who have hostages tend not to shoot them. Because once you get rid of your hostage, you have no leverage. The US Actually has real concerns that Iran has infiltrated industrial control systems in the US and we don't know where. The likelihood that every adversarial nation has infiltrated every other nation's industrial control systems, I'd say, is 100%. Much of the industrial control systems that we have in the United States are operating off software from 1970. And so it's a few lines of code that can be easily broken into. They've been over the past 15 or so years updating, but we're talking about something like 70,000 facilities across the United States. And so they can shut down water, they can shut down electricity, they can do all those things. Why haven't they yet? It's like asking what you really think. The US can press a button and fire 12 nuclear warheads. Why haven't they? Why hasn't the US nuked Israel? I mean, sorry, nuked Iran, but. So the argument then is that the US doesn't have the capability to use nukes because the US has never done it. No, it's because if Iran needs to, they could. Russia could, too.

[Ian Crossland]

And I'll reiterate, the whole wiping your Bitcoin to zero tactic is not going after our government's money. It's the American people's money. So protect your assets, too.

[Tim Pool]

Alex W. Says. Alex Jones, Luke Rudkowski, the Hodge twins, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, Elijah Schaefer, mtg, Dave Smith, Tucker Bannon and others owe Trump a huge apology. Agreed. I as well, I have no, I have no issue with being wrong. In fact, I beg, I hope, and I pray that I was completely wrong about everything. Because we all have trauma from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. So when we see the escalation of conflict with Iran and we see the statements of people like Bolton and other neocons who have been calling for regime change, and then Trump truths out regime change, maybe we're all kind of like, holy crap, is it happening? If this ceasefire sticks and the war ends, then Trump will have hit a grand slam. And I have no problem saying I was Wrong. And thank God I was.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Just the ability. Just because people are predicting, hey, this is what I think is going to happen, doesn't mean that that's what you want to happen. And a lot of people behave as if it is. It's like, oh, you said this. It's like, well, I was wrong and everybody's better for it, you know, so.

[Tim Pool]

Templar brethren says Teddy Roosevelt, speak softly, but carry a big stick. You will go far. Seems close to what Trump has been doing recently. Indeed. I think Trump's intention with the we're going to think about it. And then bombing them very much is a. Trump has no problem pressing the button. If it were Biden as president, Iran would have been like, screw yourself. They have no fear. Not only do they think he wouldn't do it, but he'd be incapable of organizing and leading if that was the case, not Trump. Trump probably called him up afterward and says, you want to play chicken? We'll play chicken, and I'll press the button.

[Phil Labonte]

Every time who the president is actually matters. And that's something that the left doesn't seem to believe. They think that they can just so long as they. Or they can put anyone in that. That in that seat and the results will be the same. But that's just patently false. That is not true at all.

[Ian Crossland]

Also, the Secretary of defense, like Lloyd Austin was like 80 or something, and he, like, went on. Went to. On vacation and didn't tell anybody. Didn't tell anyone. There's an awol. He went awol and this old guy went awol. That was our defense commander. So now we got a real warrior training with the troops in the morning, leading the department. So that's another.

[Tina Deskovich]

And it goes along with their entire ideology. If you think about it, everyone is the same. Everyone is equal. There is no real, real strong leader. There's no one smarter than anyone else. So why does it matter who's president or the Secretary of Defense if we're all the same?

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump got on the phone with Iran right after the bombing and said, the next one's a nuke, and then just hung up. And then they're probably like. Because Trump famously said, he called Putin and Xi and said, if you. To Putin, if you invade Ukraine, I'll nuke Moscow. And he's like, I don't know if he believed me. Maybe 5%, but it's enough. Same thing with Xi in Beijing. You take time. You move into Taiwan, I will nuke, nuke Beijing. They say, like, what they talk about.

[Ian Crossland]

Back channel communication, which I imagine means there's a whole other level of comms happening right now between nations that is not appearing on the news.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, there's, there's like a lot of times you'll talk to like so one country won't talk to another. Like the US and Iran, maybe they don't have a specific direct connection, but they'll both talk to Qatar. So the US people, that's what happened. Yeah, exactly. So like the US talked to Qatar and, and Iran talked to Qatar and there's like okay, the, and then Iran.

[Tim Pool]

Fired missiles at Qatar.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they warned that they were about to do it. They fired as a kind of.

[Tim Pool]

They actually warned they're about to do it. Or was Trump just being cheeky? Oh, maybe they pretty sure Trump said because of the advanced notice he might have just been saying your missiles are shite. You know what I mean?

[Phil Labonte]

I was under the impression that, that they actually did notify the Qataris but.

[Tim Pool]

Well then they're a bunch of losers because like, like Iran's like oh no, you teched us. We're going to fire six missiles that will be easily intercepted and then we're done. War's over.

[Phil Labonte]

The Iranians don't know that the people inside of Iran like Right.

[Tim Pool]

They think they retaliated.

[Phil Labonte]

Exactly. So to them they'll just be like, well this is what happened.

[Tim Pool]

And then they're going to come out of the news and say we successfully deal this amount of damage.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Those damn Jews. And we fought off the Americans and yeah, you know, there were some casualties but nothing that the Iranian regime.

[Tim Pool]

The Great Satan.

[Phil Labonte]

The great, Exactly. The Great Satan and the little Satan. Don't worry, the, the righteous Iranian regime will, will, will persevere.

[Tim Pool]

Jordan Sturdivan says all the pundits attacking MAGA who disagreed with the strike, the Iran strikes are actively damaging the movement. Many view this as a violation of America first and attacking them for it's a losing strategy. I agree.

[Ian Crossland]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Well, Trump went after Massey hard.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And Massey was saying he's doing that for the other reps, not necessarily for him because he's tried him before. But Massey's massively, he wants to make.

[Ian Crossland]

An example of Thomas Massie that if anyone else steps out of line that they're going to get the Massie treatment. I think though him, I just still, I still haven't seen evidence that there was an imminent threat from Iran for him to launch a strike without going to Congress first.

[Tim Pool]

And that's Massey's deal Didn't you see Trump yelled, they're coming right for us.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, he said that?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay. Then I guess.

[Tim Pool]

And then he pressed the button and the ships went right, okay, you're coming right for us.

[Phil Labonte]

I love South Park.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's a good one. We're not legally out to kill animals anymore unless they're an imminent threat. So now we have to yell it's coming right for us before we shoot.

[Phil Labonte]

Worked.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. America 76 says, I'd bet money that this wall, this was, this was all agreed to prior to the nuclear site strikes. Site strikes for regimes staying in power. It's why Iran appeared to be frozen out by Russia, Pakistan, etc, possibly. The idea being that Trump went to Iran and said, we're going to bomb your sites, but we're not going to invade. And then Iran caved and said, okay. And then we blew him up, we left.

[Tina Deskovich]

And that was, does kind of seem a little pre planned. I mean I have, you know, I'm not an expert in this area, but the 12 days war, as it's called now, which never was a war actually, you know, it's, it's just fascinating to watch it all unfold.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe the reason that the US did the strikes is because Iran in the negotiations said our people will never tolerate us dismantling our weapons. And then Trump said we'll blow them up. So we'll will target these sites, will bomb them. I don't know if I believe it considering they killed so many irgc.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And also like the, the, the Iranian people don't really back the Iranian regime. So it's not like the Iranian people know that.

[Tim Pool]

I believe that. No, no.

[Phil Labonte]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, what's the source? American propaganda. The people of this country hate their government.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you can show videos of leftists protesting and tell people in North Korea Americans hate their government too.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, fair enough.

[Tim Pool]

Like when, you know, we had that debate on Friday and the woman who was debating said that, that people in Iran largely support Israel. And I was like, no, they don't. She was like, they do. And I'm like, no one anywhere would support a foreign country bombing their nation. Even if you don't like your government, you don't want your soldiers to be blown up. That's ridiculous.

[Ian Crossland]

Only if you want to be liberated. Like the French in World War II when the Americans came in. But they were, they were being gentle.

[Phil Labonte]

With the infrastructures, weren't attacking the French.

[Ian Crossland]

No. When they, when they, after D Day, when they, when they landed in France and started rolling through and they were blowing up bridges and taxes. Towns were getting blown up, but the. The French were still glad to see.

[Tim Pool]

Them because they were under occupation by a foreign government they were being freed from.

[Ian Crossland]

So it's possible that these people in Iran feel like they're under occupation from this theocracy?

[Tim Pool]

Well, it.

[Ian Crossland]

Some may.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think they were blowing up villages either.

[Ian Crossland]

They weren't aiming for civilians, but they would definitely take out buildings if Nazis.

[Phil Labonte]

Were in there shooting at them. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

People's hometowns and stuff says, come on, man, I just bought Raytheon stocks. Sad face. Yeah. Actually, the aftermarkets are not so good on some of these.

[Ian Crossland]

Oil prices went down today, right? Like 7%.

[Tim Pool]

Because speculation.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So when. When Iran was threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz, people started speculating. So they were like, we're buying it up now before the price spikes. Then when Trump announces a ceasefire, everyone's like, sell ceasefire if it holds. All right, Shaquille Oatmeal says, Tim, Huge thanks to you and your crew. My wife and I have been listening almost daily since 2020, shouting out our newborn son, Luca Riker Grande. Is that he pronounce it. And my amazing wife. Congratulations.

[Phil Labonte]

Congrats, man.

[Ian Crossland]

I think his name is pronounced Shaquille Oatmeal.

[Tim Pool]

Shaquille Oatmeal.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Oh, you said Shaquille Oatmeal. But I think it's oatmeal. Oh, you know, like o' Neill, huh? It is. Sorry to ruin the joke, guys.

[Tina Deskovich]

Oh, I just hear the same thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, really? Oatmeal and oatmeal. The accent on the first syllable or the second syllable?

[Phil Labonte]

The wrong and fastest on the oatmeal.

[Ian Crossland]

Is what you eat. Oatmeal is like syllable.

[Phil Labonte]

He put it the wrong and fastest on the wrong syllable.

[Tina Deskovich]

Poking holes again.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Some people say pajamas, some people say pajama. I say pajama.

[Phil Labonte]

That's right.

[Tina Deskovich]

Oh, my God.

[Tim Pool]

You know.

[Phil Labonte]

I never heard Padma. No, that was new to me.

[Tim Pool]

That was actually when I was like 12, I was like with my friends and they were arguing over a pajama versus pajama. And they were. They were. They were like half arguing and they were like, which one is it, Tim? And I didn't want to get in the middle of the argument, so I made us went tajima. And everyone said that.

[Tina Deskovich]

I thought you made that up right now.

[Ian Crossland]

40 year old joke in your pocket for decades.

[Phil Labonte]

Decades on that one. Yep. Pajama.

[Tim Pool]

Pajama. Pilgrim says Trump fractured his base bigly. Many have Noticed the underlying problem. Our government is all bought and paid for. Midterms gone, 20, 28 gone. MAGA gone. Said, I don't disagree. I don't know for sure, but I agree somewhat in that, that I think the probability that I'll put this way, I think it's. There's a decent probability. Trump just lost three or four points. Libertarian vote's gone. He's going to lose about a point and a half, two points from that.

[Ian Crossland]

So two days ago I was like, impeach him. Let's see what happens. Do it. If the impeachment's not good, then it won't go.

[Tim Pool]

Massey said, no.

[Ian Crossland]

Massey said, don't do it today. And I was like, well, okay, but.

[Tina Deskovich]

I mean, if he brings Massie back into the fold, will that help his libertarian numbers again?

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's more so about what he does that gets Massey in the fold. If Trump just came out and said, you know what, I'm sorry to Thomas Massie, he's a good dude. No, but if he came out and said, okay, we're going to negotiate with Massey, Massey, what do you want? And he says, repeal the nfa and Trump said, we'll work on it, then the Libertarians are going to start spanking themselves.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm still of the opinion that especially considering the way this seems to be working out, the only thing that's going to derail Trump is going to be a bad economy. If especially like, because a couple of days ago we were talking about this and the, the I was hypothetically saying if this were to go like this, right, like it's just the strikes, we don't invade, there's nothing else. Iran just does, you know, some kind of, some kind of like wave the white flag or whatever and it doesn't turn into a big war, then the only thing that's going to be able to take Trump out would be some, something unforeseen, like a black swan event between now and the, the midterms or the economy. That's it. And I'm shocked at how well he's navigated this, to be honest with you. I'm a little surprised that, that Iran has actually done what everyone kind of hoped they would do. I kind of thought they were a little more crazy. But I don't see this being a problem for maga because it doesn't get us into a long drawn out war. If it, if it, if the conditions on the ground change, yes, but if it doesn't get us into a war and this is done and over this is not going to be any different to Solomon.

[Tim Pool]

If this ceasefire holds, Trump is going to be having a victory per. I'd be figuratively, but like, wow.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

To pull off a surgical strike like this and then that basically shuts the escalation down and then we don't get a furtherance of the war. Wow. So it'll be. It'll be massive. My friends, we're gonna go to that uncensored portion of the show. We've got a major, major treat for you all. Only on the uncensored portion, we've got a big announcement. Big, big announcement. So make sure you go to rumble.com timcast IRL and use promo code TIM10 to get Rumble Premium. If you want to call in, join our discord [e-mail] but again, we got a big announcement. Y' all gonna be very, very excited for this. Big news.

[Phil Labonte]

Big.

[Tim Pool]

You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Tina, do you want to shout anything out?

[Tina Deskovich]

Yeah. Join us at momsforliberty.org you can join us. You can start a chapter. You can shop in our store and also get good me. You can follow us on all social medias. Mom's number four, Liberty. And you can follow me, Tina Deskovich on X.

[Tim Pool]

Right on.

[Ian Crossland]

Thank you for asking me about myself today. That was very nice of you.

[Tina Deskovich]

I mean, yeah, I was curious. It derailed the conversation a little.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I loved it.

[Tina Deskovich]

I really. I really liked the dynamic.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm like Doc Brown at the end of. At the end of Back to the Future three, where you don't need rails anymore. That's why I'm so derailed. Just. I'm just floating through the atmosphere, man.

[Tim Pool]

So people, people, people don't need to follow social media. They can just close their eyes.

[Ian Crossland]

You'll see me in your dreams.

[Tim Pool]

Where are you at, Ian?

[Ian Crossland]

I'm right here, baby. But follow me at Ian Crossland. It's my name. Follow me all over the place. Hit me on Twitter, man. Super fun.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that Remains on Twix. I'm Phil that Remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. You can check out our new record. It's entitled Anti Fragile. You can find it on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora and Dieser. Don't forget, forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

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