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Oren McIntyre
Game day deals foreign. Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining us tonight. I'm Oren McIntyre in for Tim Pool on Tim Cast. We've got a great show with a lot of great guests. Hope you enjoy it. Today it looks like Bill and Hillary Clinton are finally going to have to testify when it comes to the Epstein probe. They were trying to dodge it the whole time, but they've been threatened with contempt and they're finally going to comply. We're also going to be talking about the Minnesota blockades. Once again. Antifa is doing its trick where it tries to stop everyone moving up and down the block, taking everybody's license plates, making sure that they control the streets. We'll also be talking about the leftists and the way that they are absolutely embarrassing themselves over Don Lemon, the Grammys, and deportations. But before we get to all that to get today, guys, let's hear from our sponsor, Web Roots.
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Phil Labonte
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Adam Johnson
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Phil Labonte
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Oren McIntyre
All right, guys. Our guest tonight is Adam the Lectern guy. Thanks for coming on, man.
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Adam Johnson
Hey, thanks for having me on. Looking forward to hanging out. For those who don't know, my name is Adam Johnson. I'M running for Manatee county commissioner. You can give me money on vote adamjohnson.com to help me get elected. We do need it. Everything starts in your backyard. So that's why I'm running local.
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Ian Crossland
Good to see you, man. Hey, at Ian Crossland, you'll find me. I'm Ian Crossland. Check out Graphene Movie. If you haven't been over there yet, check out the new upcoming documentary Graphene Movie that I'm producing. Other than that, we got Tate Brown.
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Tate Brown
What is going on, Patriots? Geez, a little rusty. It's been like a week. Tate Brown, you're holding it down.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah.
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Tate Brown
I was paying homage to our greatest ally. I was actually in the UK all week. Put my hand up on the on Hadrian's Wall, gave it a little smooch. It was a beautiful thing. So I'm happy to be back. I feel recharged. Phil, how's it going?
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Phil Labonte
Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.
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Oren McIntyre
All right, guys. Coming from NBC News, it looks like Bill and Hillary Clinton agreed to testify in the House Epstein probe ahead of a contempt vote. Clinton previously refused to appear before the Republican led House Oversight Committee. We all know that this is something that Steve Bannon ended up running into. He was held in contempt of Congress for not going along with testifying. The Clintons have been flouting this for a long time. Many people were asking are they going to live by the same rules? Are they going to face the same consequences? It looks like they are going to blink and testify. Guys, what do we think?
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Ian Crossland
I think that they're going to risk perjury over contempt because if you look at like James Clapper, perjury said they didn't wittingly spy on the American people with the prison program. They did. Nothing's happened to James or what's his name? What did I say?
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Phil Labonte
Not not come out.
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Ian Crossland
Clapper James. Nothing's happened to him yet. So I think they're going to go on the stand and may very well tell a crafted lie. I don't know, but I don't know. I think they're willing to commit perjury at this point the way that the legal system has been treating well, they.
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Phil Labonte
Have a good track record with dodging perjury charges. There's no consequences for the Clintons when they purge themselves. So if I was Bill Clinton, I'd be like, perjury it is. I'm not gonna go ahead and try to be in contempt of that.
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Ian Crossland
You said multiple times. Wait, Adam, let me ask you this. You said the first time you got engaged in politics is when you saw Clinton perjured and then didn't get busted for it.
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Phil Labonte
Yep. I was, you know, I was a young guy, like 23 or something like that. And. And I figured, you know, he. He purged himself. I was like, okay, he admit he lied under oath. If anyone else does that, you know, they go to jail. So he's probably going to be removed from office. Being young and naive as I was, and then when he wasn't, I was like, what the hell's going on around here? I was like, what? You know, I couldn't believe it, because, again, I was young and naive, and I thought that if he broke the, you know, it was. It was arguably worse than what Nixon did. And now, granted, Nixon wasn't removed from office. He stepped down. But still, I was like, okay, well, this seems cut and dry, you know.
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Oren McIntyre
Well, Clinton got away with it, I think, largely because the religious right or the Republicans at the time made the mistake of making it about the blowjob and not about the procedure. They made it a moral majority argument, and that actually, I think, fell down as opposed to a legal procedure argument of, hey, committed perjury needs to go to jail.
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Phil Labonte
That was the frustrating thing for me, is, like, people were constantly saying, oh, you know, of course he got a blowjo. You know, powerful guys and Kennedy and blah, blah. And I was like. I was like, why are people even talking about that? That's not what this is about. Like, nobody goes to jail because they got a blowjob. You go to jail because you broke law. And it blew my mind that it was being cast that way. I was like, I can't believe this. You know, again, young and naive. I'm like, what are you talking about? This isn't about a blow job. He lied. I'd go to jail if I lied.
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Oren McIntyre
On, you know, under oath.
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Adam Johnson
Well, two things. First, I speak for Hiller when I say, at this point, what difference does it make now? And secondly, I mean, he purged himself because who's going to admit to having, you know, relations with a fat chick, right?
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Ian Crossland
What was his lie? What was his actual lie on the stand?
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Phil Labonte
He lied about whether or not he had relations.
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Oren McIntyre
I did not have sex with that woman.
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Phil Labonte
I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Ms. Lewinsky. What is exactly pointed at the American Pete pointed at the camera, like, what's.
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Tate Brown
The House supposed to like, ask them that? They would like, they have very limited information. They'll be like, did you go to or were you on the Epstein list? Like, yeah, okay, that's like, what exactly are we, like hoping to get out of this?
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Oren McIntyre
Well, the process is the key, right? Because obviously we know the photos are out there, we know his name is mentioned. The question is, how bad can you make him look? How much can you drag him through that? How many places can you lead him where he might further indict himself or create some kind of problem? I don't think there's probably going to be a lot of there there. I think most of the revelations are already in the Epstein files. But putting him through that, making him go through that process is itself a punishment. We learn this from the Trump administration, right? It's not always what you're going to get. Once you people put people under oath and you put them up in front of Congress, they might come out and say things that are going to just bury them politically. And that's ultimately what a lot of people are looking for. Maybe not the most, I guess, upstanding way to conduct yourself, but it is ultimately the way American politics works.
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Adam Johnson
This is going to be bread and circuses. At the end of it, I mean, nothing will come of this. I'm. It's not going to come of it, but it is the bread and circuses we're asking for. We've been asking for high profile people to be brought into court and have to testify for the things they may or may not have done. So I think at the end of it, I think people will look at this and say, we are doing something. And I think that's good. Going into the midterms.
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Ian Crossland
It's a great way to call it a bread and circus because as I'm scrolling, like with, you know, the economy, what's happened with silver went up four times and then got 30% dropped. All these people, they took people for a run. Crypto dropped by 10, 15%. Like, this is the bread and circus, is the Clinton, is the, is the Epstein stuff. That's what they want people to focus on and fight about. When in the background they're like changing our economy into a crypto, you know, control state. It feels like behind us, it's another conversation completely. But I do sense that there's some.
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Tate Brown
Truth where like the entire Epstein thing, it hit a point. Kind of like Pizzagate, where like when it first happened, you're kind of following and you're like, yeah, yeah, that actually does make there might be something here. And then there was. I remember it just hit a certain point where it was like just all the insane people flooded in and then it became like completely untouchable. This is kind of what's happening with the Epstein stuff now is it's gotten to the point where it's gotten so mainstream it's turned into something that it never was where now it's starting to become a toxic thing and it's going to make it more difficult to actually get any justice out of this because it's just because been flooded with the right, for lack of a better word. And in addition, it's just, it's. People are expecting different things as a result of like this entire investigation just going to clog everything up.
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Phil Labonte
And there's tons of confirmation bias, right? Whether or not there's anything that's actually actionable in there. People see a name, they're like, see, this name's in the Epstein file. So of course that means that they were doing this thing and it's just turned into just a slop fest of people pointing fingers. Of course there are things that people should be prosecuted for. I'm not making the argument that there aren't. But whether or not people are, have broken the law is irrelevant to most of the people that want to use this as a, as a club on X to be like, this person was in the Epstein file. So of course, blah, blah, blah. There are people again that, like I said, there are people that have broke the law, broken the law, they should be investigated, they should be arrested. If they, if they, they're alleged to have broken the law, they should see the full extent of justice. But there's a online phenomena of saying, look, they're in the Epstein file and I found this and blah, blah, blah. And it's just a slew of just an orgy of confirmation bias where people are pointing fingers and saying, your guy's bad, your guy's bad, your guy's bad, or you know, this guy or whatever. You know, any kind of tenuous connection they're going to use to say this person did this. And it's just turned into something where you can't really find any clarity.
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Ian Crossland
I'm glad you, you changed your description from a slew to an orgy. You're saying or.
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Oren McIntyre
Well, I was just going to say this is the nature of news cycles. You know, when you had the Epstein files as a story out there that was unclear, it could, you could build the conspiracy and there was a real Conspiracy, like, obviously these files were bad. Our elites did not want us to have access to them. They were embarrassed about what went on there, and they didn't want those out. But it was really what you could project onto this. What I think is built a lot of hype and interest into it. Once it's out there in the open, once we actually have the files, that's actually less exciting because you can no longer just speculate about what's being hidden and what forces are working against you and who's hiding documents. Now you have to actually sift through everything. You need to verify, you need to fact check. A lot of this is going to fall away because it's unprovable, or it was just salacious, but. But ultimately didn't go anywhere. We are, I think, ultimately going to get facts that are important. I think this really still matters, but I think the hype cycle with this is done now. It's more the drudgery of investigation. Maybe something more will come out. But I think Adam's ultimately right that what really matters is we're putting bad people in front of Congress in front of questioning. That's what people wanted. That's what people especially want to see from the Trump administration. He's supposed to be this guy from outside the swamp.
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Phil Labonte
He.
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Oren McIntyre
He's crushing the elites. He's breaking through the institutional barriers that exist in Washington. They wanted to see him make the elites pay. And the fact that he did not do that initially with the Epstein files, I think was a lot of what people felt betrayal about. So getting this done, getting elites in front of cameras, in front of questions, I think that's what matters to people more than the actual content. And I'm not saying the content doesn't matter, but I think that's ultimately what's going to be cathartic for people through this process.
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Adam Johnson
Well, we need this in 16. One of the great takeaways from the debates was Trump telling Hillary Clinton, because you'd be in prison. You remember this, right? And we all got riled up and said, man, that was the moment when I knew I was voting for Trump. And then we had the 16 through 20 administration. Hillary didn't go to prison. And I think a lot of people were hesitant to vote for him again because they saw the first administration not actually carry the water and carry the weight of the things that they said they were gonna do. I think this administration has the ability and the time to get it done. We're less than a year wave midterms, and I've Always held the belief that the reason we haven't seen sweeping arrests yet is because one, when you go to start arresting people, it's all hell is going to break loose and to organize that without leaks, because people will flee the country. They have dual citizenship. They will go. You need to be very precise. You can't have leaks. And for optics sake, if you arrest someone at a high, at a high profile level, you have to find juries that will indict judges that will take the case, not throw them out. A lot of these things that we saw two people indicted, right? It was Comey and Comey and someone else.
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Ian Crossland
Charges got Letitia James.
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Adam Johnson
Yeah, yeah. So it's gone, right. I think for midterms you have to have good optics. You have to have energized people. I think you wait to prosecute these people closer to midterms terms because you need to energize your party movement.
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Oren McIntyre
I think it's also very clear at this point that the Clintons aren't going to jail. Like, they're just not going to put an old man in jail at this point, no matter how much he deserves it. So really it is about the truth and reconciliation. It is getting him up there, getting to the bottom of this. Is there anyone else connected? Is this, is there a wider conspiracy? We need to understand a wider network. I think that's the kind of stuff that you're going to be driving at with the Clintons. I don't think they're actually going to be looking to pursue a particular criminal case against them or try to drive deeper into, you know, getting these guys in jail. That those, those optics aren't great for you at this point. There was a time when putting Hillary Clinton in the jail was dynamic. Like you're saying the locker up chance mattered. I think at this point people have kind of moved on and you can't, you know, this is the upside and the downside of Biden stepping in there. Biden is just simply not as nefarious a creature as Hillary Clinton.
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Tate Brown
Right.
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Oren McIntyre
Like, he's just too, like, he, I'm sure he's a bad person, but he's just too checked out. He's, you know, completely unable to function mentally. You can only really feel like you can hold him accountable for his actions for so long because of how senile he is. And so people aren't there chanting, put Joe in jail. It's like, you know, put Joe in the nursing home.
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Ian Crossland
Right.
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Oren McIntyre
Like at this point. And so he's not the person that their ire is really directed at. You don't have that easy target to put away. I mean, someone like Anthony Fauci would be far more relevant at this point. So I just don't think the Clintons create that target that satiates the desire for people to have a nefarious character put behind bars. But they could lead us towards someone that is worthy of that.
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Tate Brown
I do think. Yeah, I think this is gonna turn into, you're saying, Brent, circus, maybe, I think just a circus. Because, I mean, one thing you have to consider is, I mean, the House Judiciary Committee on the Republican side, it's Jim Jordan's on there, Thomas Massie's on there. Like, you're gonna get some insane sound bites coming out of this. It's gonna get chippy. All these, especially these new congressmen, they're going to be looking for their moment, so to speak. And so they're going to be unleashing just some craziness on Bill, and that's going to be actually a problem. I think Bill's going to be ready for that sort of thing. He's going to be able to counter. I'm not, I'm not terribly optimistic about, about this whatsoever. I don't think we're going to get the slam dunk that we think we're going to get.
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Phil Labonte
No, but I mean, even if they put the Clintons, even if they put the Clintons in jail, that's not going to move the needle like for actual policy in the United States. It's not going to change, you know, the nature of government because they're out of the, you know, they're out of government. They're just, you know, old people that have been put out the pasture. So it'd be fine. I'd be, I'd be perfectly fine with them going to jail because they, I'm sure that, you know, Clinton and they both have broke plenty of laws. But it wouldn't, it wouldn't change the forecast for, you know, the midterms. It wouldn't change the forecast for the next presidential election. And so at the end of the day, it doesn't change the circumstances for the right in the, in the United States. And the important thing is the right winning because that's how we save the country from what the left is doing.
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Adam Johnson
I'd be much happier to see Tim Walls and Ilhan Omar in prison. That's right, I would, because that's actually where, that's actually where we're at. They're, they're robbing the coffers from my grandchildren, like, as we speak. And you know, a lot of people are calling for insurrection, act these things like this. I think stay focused, keep doing audits, go to California, next, go to Ohio. You start tearing open the books and you show where these people are actually robbing our country and bringing in these migrants who are ruining our culture. I think you focus on that, you stay the course, you stay the mission on that.
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Tate Brown
That's where, like an actual probe would be quite interesting. Drag some people in and be asking, like, what did you think, Tim Waltz, how did Somalis actually benefit Minneapolis? Do you have any data to present us? Do you have anything to back this up whatsoever? Just those simple questions would completely, I think, pay long term dividends for the Right.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah.
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Tate Brown
Putting it all on display.
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Oren McIntyre
I think you're both correct because ultimately we're in the scenario where we only have so much political capital. You have to choose your targets carefully. And ultimately, again, I think people do care about the Epstein files. But as you say, moving into midterms, looking at the situation in the country would much rather see Democrat criminals currently being held accountable rather than trying to reach back, you know, 8, 12, 15 years to try to figure out and relitigate how these people conducted themselves. Even though the justice is critical, it really is about optics. It really is about expending political capital. And when you're in that scenario, you have to have a laser focus. And again, as you guys were saying, someone like Tim Walls going to jail would just be far more important, far more critical, and it would actually show that the Trump administration isn't just looking back, hoping to, you know, pull some skeletons out of closets, but is actively looking at Democrats today as political enemies who are hurting the country and is willing to step in and stop them and hold them accountable.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, you settle scores after you win, but it's like you got to be in a position where you can actually settle scores. Yeah, we're not there yet.
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Adam Johnson
I know it's been a few years, but they rounded up 1600 of us and put most of us in prison for walking through a building peacefully. These, they are our enemy. They mean to kill us and imprison us. And we need to stay focused. They're willing to shoot a president. They're willing to shoot, you know, Charlie Kirk. They, they don't. They're not playing nice. And we really need to stay focused and not get so distracted by things. And I mean, the Epstein files, they matter. They absolutely do. I'll get hate for this, but our focus should be we don't have a lot of time left. We have maybe a year before they win midterms and they kneecap the rest of the administration and make a. Make a slam duck. We can't pass things in Congress, can't pass things in Senate. We need to stay focused.
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Phil Labonte
And to your point, like, the. I've said this before, like, they're not going to just go after people that are big names. They're not going to just go after Donald Trump. They're not going to just go after, you know, people that are, you know, influential on the right, because those people are the people that normal people expect to get wrapped up. When the guy down the street that did a little bit of canvassing for the Republicans goes to jail, then everybody that knows him is like, I could be on the chopping block. And that cools people's desire to be politically active in the future. So they'll go after the big fish, sure. They'll go after Donald Trump. That's definitely gonna happen. But they'll also go after the small fish, because if they get enough small fish, and they're easier to get, too. If you get some dude that's just in the GOP or whatever, that's like, you know, at a state level or even a town level, if those people go to jail, that it doesn't cost them a lot of money. They don't have a lot of money to defend themselves the way that, you know, bigger names do. If you go after people that are, you know, average Joe's, they're easier to put in jail. And it does a whole lot more to cool off people's interest in being politically active. You have more of your average people that are just like, I want to keep my head down. I don't want to get in trouble. I don't want them to. I don't want the Eye of Sauron to be put on me, you know, so it's really important that. That we win in November, and it's really important that we win in 2028, because it's not just the big names. It's not just the people that you see on podcasts. It's going to be people that, you know, just like Adam said, you know, 1600 people that were just at the. At the. At the Capitol, and they didn't do anything particularly bad. They were walking through. They put a lot of people in jail. And the reason they did that was to intimidate the right. You're going to go even harder should the left win again.
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Ian Crossland
They freaking intimidated everybody. Like people on the left who are like, I better bow down to my servant master even harder because I see they're serious now is crazy.
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Adam Johnson
No, the left cheered them on. The left cheered them on. When they did this, they actually formed groups. The FBI paid, I think it was position under $100,000 to source out and find anyone who was there that day. Like, they cheered it on. So I don't think the left necessarily were afraid. I think they were like, oh, we're in power. We're now taking power and we really need to have that type of mentality. We're in power now. We need to wield that power and make sure we crush the communists for the foreseeable future and never let them rise again. That's our energy. That's where we need to be.
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Ian Crossland
Knowing what you know now, having been arrested for being at the Capitol, served three months in prison, basically, literally. And I assume that had some sort of radicalization effect on your brain. Like, I've never, like, you've changed. You're running for office now. Like, you've changed. You're like outspoken now on the, on the Internet, on tv. But like, knowing what you know about innocent people getting targeted or people that did very little and getting big sentences, how would you go forward against, like you said, the communist, attempted communist revolution. Like, how would you deal with that in an attempt to not radicalize those people the way that some of these people of J6 were?
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Adam Johnson
Well, I don't think some of these people or people are salvageable or saveable. I think that these. Look, we're at war. Whether you want to admit it, whether you want to accept it, we are at war with these people. These people have no desire to live in the country as, as it exists. They don't want to be here. They don't want to live next to us. They don't be our neighbors. There is a survey that was done, I think it was by was either. I think it was Rasmussen, where they asked people during COVID you know, what should we do with people who are refusing to take the vaccine? I think it was 29% of them said that my children should be removed from my custody for not vaccinating them. We're Talking about almost 30% of our neighbors who said, I want to take their children from them. That's who they are. They're not hiding from it. They're not shying away from it. So we need to wake up and realize who these people are. They will stop at nothing to crush and kill us.
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Oren McIntyre
Adam, I feel like I've said this a thousand times, but I just get, you know, more and more manic every time I say it, because it seems like people are not listening. How am I still having to explain to people at this point that that's where we are? Every time it's, oh, Trump might take some kind of action. We might use some kind of power. It's, well, what if the Democrats get back in charge? Like, how are we still.
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Adam Johnson
They've already done it.
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Oren McIntyre
They've already done it. It's. It's absolutely nuts. It's like, you guys understand that you can just never let the left come back into power again. That is the only answer. The minute they are back in power, they will arrest everybody. And they don't have your morals, they don't have your scruples, they don't have your principles. None of this will stop them because they also don't have activist judges sitting there waiting to sabotage them. They will have the full power of the government. They will run through you entirely. It's ridiculous to me that we still have to make this argument. I don't understand how people don't grasp me.
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Phil Labonte
On Friday, we talked to. We had Cam Higby on, and Lisa was here, and we were talking about Don Lemon being arrested, and they both were kind of squishy on it because they're like, well, you know, I don't want them to arrest, you know, me. Or, you know, Cam was saying that. It's like, guys like, you're not going to be able to say, oh, we don't want to set the precedent, because the precedent has already been set. Like, the left will do this. They've already done this. When they get back into power, they're going to do it again. So I understand that, you know, you care about the First Amendment, and you have, you know, you care about the freedom of press, and you. You have principles and stuff. They don't. So to behave as if they do, or to say that any exercise of power that the right does is going to give. Give permission to the left, that's just wrong. They're going to do it regardless.
- [25:33]
Tate Brown
Yeah, like, it's going to be like, 20, 30, and we're all facing the wall, and I look up at or, and I was like, man, we should have left Don Lemon alone.
- [25:41]
Oren McIntyre
It to tries truly is just incredible. Like, the things that divide us are now greater than the things that unite us. And I know that's not comfortable. I know that's, like, a really difficult thing to acknowledge. But it's deadly to ignore it. Like, you don't get any bonus brownie points for denying reality right before the guillotine drops. It's coming for you either way. And again, I just think it's insane. We can see that in our next story here from Alpha News. It looks like anti ICE agitators set up blockades on the Minneapolis streets. They're checking people's driver's licenses and their plates to put them through a database. They want to see if you're somebody who's related to ice, if they're someone that they can ultimately attack. You've got. You see the checkpoints here, the little autonomous zones? I appreciate the recliner being used.
- [26:26]
Adam Johnson
They should do the same thing at polling locations.
- [26:28]
Oren McIntyre
Well, they were just trying to block ICE to get anywhere near polling locations. I wonder what that means, right? Like, I wonder what that implies.
- [26:35]
Phil Labonte
They should send an MRAP through that thing. Just knock it down. The idea that this is acceptable is ridiculous.
- [26:42]
Ian Crossland
You mean the feds or the local state police force?
- [26:46]
Phil Labonte
I think the feds should. Like, if these people are setting up checkpoints and making people stop, that's completely and totally outside of the realm of acceptable. Like, the Fed should go in there and take this down and. And throw the. They're doing essentially, this is piracy, right? They're saying, you can't come in here. They're charging tolls or what have you. Like, they should all be arrested and tossed in here.
- [27:11]
Ian Crossland
We going to roll some of this footage?
- [27:12]
Oren McIntyre
Yeah, it looks like we got some footage here.
- [27:15]
Ian Crossland
Give it to me.
- [27:16]
Oren McIntyre
Serge.
- [27:16]
Ian Crossland
You can't have saw me, dude.
- [27:17]
Tate Brown
Get in your car.
- [27:20]
Oren McIntyre
Get in the car, man.
- [27:28]
Adam Johnson
Is that Tim Wall? I see a limp wrist.
- [27:30]
Oren McIntyre
So they're assaulting me. My photojournalist got it all on video.
- [27:35]
Tate Brown
They actually tried to steal my phone, but unsuccessful.
- [27:39]
Ian Crossland
And you're going to get blasted all.
- [27:40]
Tate Brown
Over the Internet, buddy.
- [27:42]
Oren McIntyre
You can't have saw me, dude.
- [27:44]
Phil Labonte
But, yeah, I mean, look, these guys are. They're intimidating people. They're telling you, you can't go this way. You can't get out and film. Like, these people should all be arrested.
- [27:55]
Ian Crossland
That is notoriously like the. The edited video where what happened right before he was like, can't assault me, bro. Like, very intense. Intentionally edited right to the point where he got grabbed. Like, what did he do before for that guy to grab him in his car? I want to know.
- [28:07]
Phil Labonte
Tried to get out of his car.
- [28:09]
Ian Crossland
I don't know what happened. It was edited.
- [28:10]
Oren McIntyre
But that's the beauty of it, right? Is we have had to hear about how unprofessional ICE is, how it's a bunch of thugs and the Trump administration is just turning them loose, and how important it is that we have accountability for law enforcement. But here we see that, actually. Nope, just completely unaccountable, untrained. You know, guys with no authority are getting out there and doing. Of course it's going to create an incident. We all remember the last autonomous zone, Right. Multiple kids ended up dead. We had a warlord within a few hours. Like, that's what happens when you actually suspend the rule of law. Why is the left so obsessed with turning every place they control into a lawless, violent warlord war zone? Like, it's absolutely insane.
- [28:48]
Ian Crossland
What happened with Chaz Chop, anyway? Like, how did that come apart?
- [28:51]
Phil Labonte
Bunch of people got killed and then did the.
- [28:53]
Ian Crossland
Did the local cops break it up?
- [28:55]
Phil Labonte
I'm not 100 sure. I think that dismantled. They dismantled it because they ran out of food.
- [28:59]
Adam Johnson
Because in a communist society, someone has to work.
- [29:02]
Oren McIntyre
Well, they kept trying to plant it on top of the plastic bags. You remember them, like, just dumping piles of like. Like bags of door from. From Home Depot and then being like, yeah, yeah, I'll just grow some crops here.
- [29:11]
Tate Brown
Yeah. Literally.
- [29:12]
Oren McIntyre
Yeah.
- [29:12]
Tate Brown
They literally sat cardboard out and poured soil and, like, seeds from Home Depot.
- [29:16]
Oren McIntyre
Yeah. And then so, like, three days went.
- [29:17]
Tate Brown
By and they're like, guys, this is. We didn't think this out.
- [29:20]
Phil Labonte
Some dude on LSD was, like, dancing on it the day after. It was. It was.
- [29:23]
Tate Brown
Yeah, there was like, like a local sound club rapper that became, like, a warlo.
- [29:27]
Phil Labonte
Yeah.
- [29:27]
Tate Brown
He was just, like, executing people. What's going on?
- [29:30]
Oren McIntyre
You think at the very least, they would have inserted, like, a gardening manual in the Communist Manifesto, like, chapter two, like, just sandwich in there. How to make food. A guide for Communists. You know, I kind of like.
- [29:41]
Tate Brown
I kind of like the idea of maybe every town does have, like, a small chop just in the middle. So it's like, if you really are, like, a communist or something, you know, you can kind of just hang out there, and then the warlord will sort things out after a while. It's kind of a beautiful thing when you really think about it.
- [29:54]
Adam Johnson
I read the Communist Manifesto. The first four chapters were about lowering the age of consent.
- [29:59]
Oren McIntyre
So, like libertarians, but with the ability. Without the ability to grow food.
- [30:03]
Ian Crossland
Yes.
- [30:05]
Oren McIntyre
Fantastic. Well, it also looks like the Minnesota activists have put up a. A flag here. They're trying to recreate the famous US Marines at Iwo Jima scene. And of course, we all know the Minnesota flag has a striking resemblance to the Somali flag because the Somalis conquered Minnesota and made them change their flag. So what we're seeing here is basically a declaration that they have conquered Minnesota, that the leftists now not only own the streets, but they own the entire state. You know, a lot of people will say, oh, it's just a flag. It's just a piece of cloth. It's just, you know, recreation or ritual. But I hope by now we understand that flags matter, that cloth matters, that ritual actually matters more than rhetoric. And when we allow something like this to happen, when we allow people to take these actions, it's making a clear declaration that we are giving up sovereignty, that we are handing control up to foreign powers. And this simply should not be allowed in the United States. It's amazing that we continue to really allow any of this. Yeah.
- [31:02]
Adam Johnson
Flags. Do you matter? No, it's not Pride month. But. Wait, what did you say?
- [31:08]
Ian Crossland
I think about that, like, wearing shirts with, like, words on them. I'm like, dude, I don't even, like, what does this read? What am I, like, what am I promoting right now? That's a good way to put it, that it's more powerful than rhetoric, like imagery. Promoting imagery, especially with the Internet and the ability to splash that visual all over the place.
- [31:25]
Tate Brown
That's why you wear blanks. You gotta get paid for promotion. You know, like, you see this, you see, like, was it Ronaldo came up and there was like Cokes on the, on the, on the table, and he took him off because he's like, oh, I'll kill you. I'm not getting paid to advertise this. So it's like, same thing. We should be getting paid. If you're gonna wear a brand on your name, you're gonna get paid. This was Somalia. Yeah. This is, this is terrible news. This is terrible. It's mocking Marines. Yeah. And it's the most Reddit thing ever to like, think you could emulate the Iwo Jima by what? You just, like, sat on the streets long enough and the police didn't bother cracking down. Like, that's conquering somehow.
- [31:55]
Phil Labonte
And they, they tend to, they tend to do this a lot. They do the whole, like, you know, we're the same guys that were storming normally, you know, fighting the Nazis, and now we're the guys that are, you know, that beat the Japanese at Iwo Jima.
- [32:07]
Tate Brown
It's like, dude, explain bisexuality to a 90 year old. See what happens.
- [32:11]
Ian Crossland
Yeah. Battle for Iwo Jima was horrific. I don't Know, if you guys are much studied on the flight, they used flamethrowers on the beach, just melting people. Like, it was horrible trying to climb up that sandy mountain.
- [32:22]
Phil Labonte
Flamethrowers were for the pillboxes.
- [32:24]
Ian Crossland
Yeah. They'd get up there and like, the dude. And then they'd get hit, the flamethrower get hit, and they'd explode in flame. They're like. It was just to mock it. Like, that is really desensitized.
- [32:32]
Oren McIntyre
Well, in the uk just got done with this big showdown over flags. I don't know if you guys were paying attention, but they were battling over whether or not the St. George's Cross or the Union Jack should be displayed, and it was being swapped out with Pakistani flags and everything. And, you know, again, people will say, oh, this is tiny stuff. It doesn't matter. It's just some guy taking down a flag or raising it somewhere. No, again, this is a symbol of conquest, especially in the UK context, where these people are literally raping the daughters of the English. Like, what does a conquering army do? It sends military young men into your area, they take control of the streets, they rape your daughters, and they raise their flag in conquest. We should see this as the step down this road. We should recognize that we are in no way immune to the things that happened in the uk when you let this kind of stuff happen, when you let this be be permitted, the leftists are only going to exercise more and more power. I think we've got another clip of somebody here stopping plates as they come in.
- [33:30]
Tate Brown
Yeah, he's just our Somalian Uber driver.
- [33:41]
Oren McIntyre
Let's scrub it a little bit. Hey, how's it going? You said his license plates are ice. Doing good.
- [33:49]
Tate Brown
Yeah, I was just saying it looks.
- [33:51]
Oren McIntyre
Like in our system, your plates came up as an ICE plate. That doesn't seem like it's the case.
- [33:57]
Tate Brown
But I just wanted to come through.
- [33:59]
Oren McIntyre
And see what was up and talk to you, see how you were doing. Okay, I figured.
- [34:06]
Ian Crossland
Yeah.
- [34:07]
Oren McIntyre
I mean, he's clearly symbolic Somali. Yeah, totally, totally.
- [34:11]
Tate Brown
Like masks for them, but not us.
- [34:12]
Oren McIntyre
Right?
- [34:13]
Ian Crossland
He's clearly Somali. Let him go.
- [34:17]
Oren McIntyre
What's your name?
- [34:19]
Adam Johnson
Ali.
- [34:20]
Oren McIntyre
How long have you guys been out here today?
- [34:24]
Ian Crossland
He doesn't speak. I do want to ask what's the.
- [34:29]
Tate Brown
What's the system you guys are using?
- [34:31]
Adam Johnson
We just measure the size of the.
- [34:32]
Tate Brown
Forehead because it's obviously what's wrong. Right?
- [34:33]
Oren McIntyre
I mean, the guy was just Somali.
- [34:35]
Tate Brown
Uber driver. You know, they're renting a lot of.
- [34:38]
Oren McIntyre
Cars, but yeah, you know, we'll take this off the list.
- [34:42]
Ian Crossland
Yeah.
- [34:44]
Oren McIntyre
We're honestly just from California, just independent.
- [34:46]
Tate Brown
Photojournalist name, like a Twitter.
- [34:49]
Oren McIntyre
Jorge Ventura.
- [34:51]
Tate Brown
Ventura.
- [34:52]
Oren McIntyre
All right, all right, cool. Thank you.
- [34:53]
Ian Crossland
How long has it.
- [34:54]
Oren McIntyre
Has this been set up? And like, you know, the images of this is.
- [34:57]
Phil Labonte
Are going viral online.
- [34:57]
Ian Crossland
That's why we came.
- [34:58]
Oren McIntyre
I don't know if you know if they're going viral. Yeah, no, I. I heard that. You know, people are people saying that and, you know, a lot of the neighbors support what we're doing, so. Happy to be here, you know. Has local law enforcement said anything?
- [35:11]
Tate Brown
Not that we know of, no.
- [35:13]
Oren McIntyre
But look, I gotta get back to this. I'm not trying to do no interview, all right?
- [35:16]
Ian Crossland
I got to get invented detaining people illegally.
- [35:19]
Tate Brown
Yeah, literally. So what's the plan if you, like, uncovers an ICE agent, like an actual ICE agent. Hey, no, you can't drive that way.
- [35:26]
Oren McIntyre
I mean, they've already run them out of restaurants. They've already intimidated them in several scenarios.
- [35:30]
Tate Brown
They're in a car and it's one.
- [35:31]
Oren McIntyre
Guy again, you think? But I mean, you know, look at everything that's happening here. You know, we got guys running plates through security checks. They're wearing masks, they're talking to people, pushing them into cars or pulling them out of cars. This is literally everything that the left complains that ICE is doing. They look exactly like ICE agents, but just, you know, gayer and more communist. And ultimately they, you know, they have no real moral pushback. They just want to be the people in charge this. They just want to be the authoritarians. They claim ICE are right. That's ultimately their goal. They don't want to get rid of ice. They don't have a problem with that level of control or the government treating people that way. They just want to treat their enemies that way. They just don't want to be the people under the thumb. They're totally fine with the process.
- [36:14]
Tate Brown
Oh, yeah, if they could have ice, but for, like, white South African refugees, they'd be knocking doors down like, every single hour. Like, it would be insane. They would get all of them out within, like, 24 hours.
- [36:25]
Phil Labonte
The solution for this, like, is. Is a TOS violation. Like, I can't say what. What to do to fix this, but it would fix it fast.
- [36:33]
Oren McIntyre
All the solutions are fed posts.
- [36:35]
Phil Labonte
All solutions are fed posts.
- [36:37]
Adam Johnson
They're actually for everything we're for. They just want their side to win. That's. Yeah, that's what I'm seeing here. They're checking IDs. If you don't Belong here. We're going to get rid of you. I mean, they're literally doing the thing that we're trying to do, only we're actually following the law.
- [36:52]
Oren McIntyre
Well, and it blew up their whole narrative recently because didn't it just get leaked that both of the agents that were involved in the Peretti shooting were Hispanic?
- [37:01]
Phil Labonte
So now that's news.
- [37:02]
Oren McIntyre
So now, like just absolutely nothing about this holds. Oh, it's racist. Oh, it's xenophobic. Oh, it's. No, actually like our based Mexican.
- [37:14]
Tate Brown
Move. You see a story about like two ethnic minorities, like brutally murdering a white guy, and you're like, whoa, what is going on in Minnesota? Like, this is good. So with no context, you're like, this sounds pretty bad. And then it turns out, who would have thought, 2026, all the roles are reversed. Things are getting wacky and wild out there.
- [37:29]
Phil Labonte
There are no, there are nobody more motivated in ICE than the Hispanic men.
- [37:33]
Tate Brown
Yeah, dude, they're patriots.
- [37:35]
Oren McIntyre
Well, it's like the, the late Roman Empire, you know, it's just, it's just filled with the Gauls and all the foreigners that you were trying to keep up before. Now they're the only people that staff it up. My favorite meme has been the, the Spider man. All pointing at each other. Hernandez, ICE Agent Hernandez. Illegal Hernandez supporter. Hernandez.
- [37:55]
Tate Brown
Well, there's Secretary of State.
- [37:57]
Adam Johnson
There's something of first and second generation migrants that come here legally. They actually believe the American dream. They were given something they came here to actually have and they worked hard for and they want to keep it. So when they see everyone coming in, pouring in illegally and taking benefits, taking things, they're working hard, you know, to provide a system for the family. I mean, they have every right to be pissed off when they should be.
- [38:15]
Oren McIntyre
Every native Floridian knows that the most racist, anti immigrant people in Florida are first generation and second generation Hispanic immigrants. They're like, I got in. I know what those places are like, pull the ladder up behind me. Light everyone who tries to get in here on fire. I am here to be American. We're done. Like, that really is a real phenomenon. They are aggressive, aggressively anti immigrant.
- [38:37]
Phil Labonte
To your earlier point though, like, this is all like, the laws that ICE are enforcing are all passed in a bipartisan way. They passed, they were passed, you know, two decades ago or whatever. Democrats and Republicans, Donald Trump was elected with a majority in the electoral college and a popular majority. The popularity of deporting illegals was, is something like 85% or at least criminals is like 90% or 85%. And deporting all illegal immigrants is like 60%. So these people are literally doing everything they can to go against the will of the people and against the law. And then because of the media helping to characterize this as Donald Trump as being a fascist and stuff, there are people that are getting squishy. But if you look at this just on the facts, like this is an extremely popular thing, getting rid of illegal aliens. This is what Donald Trump was elected for and we need to see more of it.
- [39:30]
Oren McIntyre
Well, it's popular with the people, but of course, Hollywood absolutely hates it. And as you might imagine, there was yet another very irrelevant awards ceremony. I'm sure both people who watched it really enjoyed it. I think it's called the Grammys. Yes. So this obscure Grammys, there was a bunch of guys, I'm old and I like metal music, so I don't know any of the people we're talking about here. There's a Billie Eilish, some kind of bunny involved there. I think we'll eventually get to a very short man giving a speech. But ultimately it looks like a lot of, you know, these people who showed up to the awards ceremony were trying to virtue signal. Oh, Donald Trump. I can't believe ultimately that he was out there going after illegal aliens. We see Bad Bunny here saying, before I say thanks to God, I'm gonna say ice out. Bad Bunny said while accepting a Grammy Award for Best Musical Urbana album. Music Urbana. Yeah, sure, yeah, why not?
- [40:28]
Adam Johnson
What's it titled?
- [40:30]
Oren McIntyre
Please don't attempt.
- [40:31]
Adam Johnson
What's it titled?
- [40:32]
Tate Brown
What's it titled? I can't see that.
- [40:34]
Oren McIntyre
Can you read it out for us? I believe it's a click clack cloak, but yeah, no, it's a little different. But yeah, we're seeing a lot of this. We kind of expected these events. The entire. No one cares about the music. No one cares about the speeches, the awards. No one can just say, thanks, God, and I really love my country. It's got to be about, you know, hating the current thing. So I guess not surprising that this is the way they're conducting themselves. But let's hear Peter Dinklage here, amazing star of screen and stage, telling us about this beautiful poem.
- [41:06]
Ian Crossland
He is a poem by Amanda Gorman called for.
- [41:10]
Oren McIntyre
For Renee hold good.
- [41:12]
Adam Johnson
Killed by ice on January.
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Ian Crossland
January 7, 2026. They say she is no more, that there her absence roars blood blown like a rose. Ice wheels flinched and froze now bare riot of candles, dark fury of flowers, pure howling of hymns. If for us she arose somewhere in the pitch deep of our grief crouches our power the hell where we begin, Straining upon the edge of the crooked crater of the worst of what we've been. Change is only possible and all the greater when the labor and bitter anger of our neighbors is moved by the love and better angels of our nature. What they call death and void. We know his breath and voice in the end, gorgeously endures our enormity you.
- [42:16]
Oren McIntyre
Could believe departed to be the dawn when the blank night has so long stood.
- [42:24]
Ian Crossland
But our bright bled angels will never be fully gone when they forever are so fiercely good.
- [42:36]
Tate Brown
It's like short temper from. Oh, geez.
- [42:38]
Oren McIntyre
Yeah. Look, guys, I know Peter Dinklage hasn't had to act. We all saw the last season of Game of Thrones in a while, but how did he not bother to even memorize, like, a couple lines in a poem? Like, he's just sitting there reading off his phone like he's some high schooler giving a presentation in, like, an inner city school.
- [42:56]
Ian Crossland
That was his big opportunity. I mean, this is probably the biggest platform he's had since Game of Thrones right now, us showing this video.
- [43:03]
Adam Johnson
So he's attempting slam poetry, but it's like a light tap reading.
- [43:07]
Ian Crossland
I still like to work with you, Pete.
- [43:08]
Phil Labonte
Hit me up. As far as the Grammys go, I haven't been a fan of the Gram. Like, I've been. I've had problems with the Grammys since, like, 1989, when Metallica lost to Jethro Tull.
- [43:19]
Oren McIntyre
That's a mean flute.
- [43:20]
Tate Brown
Okay, we should minimize Peter here, you know? I mean, this is a tiny part of a big story.
- [43:24]
Phil Labonte
They've done nothing since to redeem themselves. They didn't talk about Vinnie Paul the year that he died in the In Memoriam. They didn't talk about Ollie Herbert, our guitar player that d. In Memoriam. They didn't talk about Brett Hines in memoriam this year. The Grammys have always treated metal like, you know, basically like the redheaded stepchild. Sorry, Tate. But, like, they've always been like that. And it's so for me, as a guy, you know, and you understand this, as a guy that's into metal and stuff, they've never been good. It's always just a contest of who has the best connections behind the scenes. Tom Morello's on the voting. What is it? The voting panel or whatever. So I don't have anything good to say about the Grammys. They've been terrible, like I said, for me, since 1989, when they decided that Jethro Tull should win over Metallica.
- [44:16]
Ian Crossland
I found these award ceremonies to be more political popularity contests. If they like you, it's like, oh, it's your year to win now, Ian, you've been so patient. You've said your lines and not talked out of turn for 30 years. Here's your lifetime achievement award, and we'll give you an Oscar. But because of that, I'm not surprised when they go hive mind and start repeating all the garbage that you see on msnbc. It doesn't surprise me.
- [44:39]
Oren McIntyre
There was.
- [44:40]
Tate Brown
They did have a, like, shockingly pro white move a few. It was like a decade ago. I was like, 2015, 2016 is like, for rap fans, like, five of the greatest rap albums ever released came out that year. Like Kendrick Lamar, some of these other artists. But Macklemore won album of the year. And if you know Macklemore, iconically white rapper. And so that was like kind of the last pro white move, I think, from the Academy Awards.
- [45:02]
Oren McIntyre
I think it was after his song about how great gay marriage is.
- [45:05]
Adam Johnson
Yeah. Didn't he have a gay uncle who killed himself or something, though? I think it was. I think it was because of that.
- [45:08]
Tate Brown
Something like that. He's just from Seattle. That stuff happens a lot there. But since then, it's just been really a lot of slow.
- [45:14]
Adam Johnson
What? Gay marriage or suicide?
- [45:16]
Tate Brown
One leading to the other.
- [45:18]
Adam Johnson
They're connected. It's redundant.
- [45:19]
Oren McIntyre
You know, I wrote a book called the Total State, and one of the big topics in that book is ultimately why we need to see politics just penetrate every cultural sphere. A lot of people are asking, you know, the basic question, you know, why. Why do we need politics in my video games? Why does it have to be in my movies? Why does it have to be in my music? You know, there used to be. There was always some injection. There's always one guy firing off his opinion and acceptance speech, but for the most part, they at least put on the air of, okay, no, this is an event about the music, about the topic we're discussing. But once you get to this kind of late stage of your culture where everything is a political battle, where the rift is just so large and the state needs more and more control over the population, what they're thinking, the only thing you can really do is just.
- [46:06]
Adam Johnson
Have that total something with Tourette's.
- [46:08]
Phil Labonte
No, I mean, you're like, right now we're. We're on Rumble. It's. It's showing Ian looking back at his phone.
- [46:15]
Ian Crossland
So they're saying, we're back on Rumble. We're back on YouTube.
- [46:18]
Adam Johnson
There we go.
- [46:20]
Oren McIntyre
A second ago.
- [46:20]
Phil Labonte
Yeah, dude.
- [46:21]
Ian Crossland
You guys missed Adam Johnson whipping it out.
- [46:23]
Tate Brown
Yeah, it was kind of crazy. There was a hog reveal and you guys missed Adam.
- [46:26]
Ian Crossland
What did you say? You said something cool.
- [46:28]
Adam Johnson
Oh, I said I was born as crooked. I blame my father, whoever he is.
- [46:33]
Ian Crossland
I'm sorry, you were born.
- [46:34]
Adam Johnson
What? What.
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Ian Crossland
So what you're saying before the show locked up, or. What I was saying is I agree with you about inserting politics into culture and all these things because you have to, you know, the world is politicizing, but to do it subtly because I. Some artists are so hit you over the head with it. It's like, if I don't wear my MAGA hat, you're not going to get it. And it's like, well, you know, you can be subtle. I don't want. I don't want people on the left to understand that I'm propagandizing them. I don't want people on the right to know that I'm propagandizing.
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Oren McIntyre
So one of the things that allows art to be subtle is a shared cultural tapestry, right? And one of the problems, the reason that we're seeing everything become so obvious is we're losing that shared fabric that allows us to provide nuance. They have to make sure that they kind of state outright what they mean, because maybe you're a red stater and you don't know all the blue code. Or maybe you're a blue stater and you don't know all the red code. Now, the conservatives have been bad at art for a while. While. But the fact that the left is getting, like, obviously very bad at it very quickly is actually a win for us overall, because it means that the implicit left coding that allowed them to kind of suddenly massage their messages into our culture no longer works. Not with you. I'd rather have my. I, my art convey shared cultural messages. But if the only shared cultural messages are, like, chopping kids, you know, genitals off, then it's okay. You can.
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Phil Labonte
Well, it comes down to, obviously, I've got some experience in this writing stuff that's. That's like, subtly political. And if you write things that are subtle, people are going to understand them in their own way. I've gotten a lot of people that they. That they, you know, tweet at me or they'll post, and they're mad when they find out that the songs that they thought meant something because it was subtle, they thought that it meant one thing. Come to find out that I don't hold those beliefs or I didn't hold those beliefs and they are upset. So yes, it is true. It is better when you can be subtle. But if you want to send a message, it's. You do have to be fairly clear. And if you're not some, you know, for a lot of people, if you're not specifically overtly saying something, they're going to internalize it as, as something that they relate to. And honestly, that's kind of what you want. Listen, when you write a song, you want people to listen to the song and you want them to. To think of it as their own, right? When you listen to music that you love, you think about like, where did you hear the song first? Like, what were the circumstances in your life? I. There are songs that I love and every time I hear them, you know, when I haven't heard it for a long time, I remember what it smelled like when I was listening to that. To that song for the first time a lot. And so those, those kind of memories are something that, that's attached to music and you don't want to take that away from people. But at the same time, if people find out or when people realize that you weren't saying what they thought you were saying, they get very upset and they feel like they've. You've taken something from them, even though it was never something that was offered to them in the first place.
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Adam Johnson
So it's, I think it comes down to. Is the connotation of words, right? I mean, progressives will always progress their ideology, right? Conservatives supposed to conserve. What we usually do is actually concede. And it starts with, it starts with connotations of vernacular, right? It's the, it's. We don't like abortion. It's, you know, it's safe, rare and legal. And conservatives say, well, that's, that's fair. You know, we don't want someone who was, you know, raped or incest to be forced to have a child. And then they move that word, right? It's no longer, you know, you know, now it's women's health care, right? When initially it was just murder. That's, that's where we all agreed as human beings. When you take away the life of something, that's what it is. We concede these words to the left and eventually we no longer have common ground because as they progress, they get further and further away from that common ground that, you know, that soft working of words of. Wouldn't it be cool if xyz.
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Oren McIntyre
Well, this is the nature of the conservative Liberal dynamic, right, conservatives or the right really creates in that moment of founding the civilization. The right are the people who are going to cut civilization out of the wilderness. They're going to fight back the barbarians. They're the people who are going to establish the norms and the rules and the strong culture, the strong religion, the strong understanding. They are the ones that initially build and then the left are the ones that start iterating. They start looking for different ways to combine. They look for different processes that they can manipulate. In some ways this is ultimately positive. You need your, your institutions to grow and change over time, be able to overcome new problems. But they do that by unspooling the nature of the society that exists in the first place. The left is, is largely entropic, right? It is breaking down order constantly and that's where it generates its energy. So whenever it runs out of things to deconstruct, to destroy, to break apart, that's when it peters out and that's when the right tends to rush back in and reconstitute that order. But that is the cycle of not just civilization, but even things like art and culture.
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Ian Crossland
So like the right now, as far as I can tell, the Internet is allowing cultures around the world to obliterate the American conservative nature, the nature, conservative nature of the United States, because it's just getting hit from every angle by so many things. And then immigration. And so there's like a rapid iteration redux, it feels like going on right now.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah. So funny enough, Karl Marx was actually used to say that he was pro free trade. And the joke of why he was pro free trade is he thought it brought down cultural barriers faster. And the faster you dissolved cultures and traditions, the faster you could get rid of nations and create the communist utopia, the global order. And in a way, what we're seeing with the Internet is the vast increase, democratization and velocity of exchanges of information in the way that we saw with capital previously. And so all these things that used to give you shared culture are now like immediately dissolved by like this constant churn of information and everything. And so I think what you're going to continue to see is like this, this destruction of existing cultures. And it's the people who are ultimately able to control that process. And again, I think we had this conversation last time we were on here, but this is why China and others are working so hard and so, so quickly trying to control Internet and information as radically as possible. Because if they don't, ultimately they will dissolve too. Even these communist authoritarian structures will break down under the constant wave and increase the velocity of information. So I think we've gotten pretty far away from. From the Grammys. But the. The point being is, like, I think that's why ultimately we're seeing the Internet interact with kind of national identities and why the left is continue to break down who they think we are, but in the same instance, they're breaking their own ideas and culture down just as quickly.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah. In the grand irony, before we go to the next story, that the. The Grammys was the kind of the epicenter of cultural cohesion for a long time. Everybody getting together on Thursday night to watch the Grammys, and then the next day at work, you'd talk about what song won. I heard that on the radio last week. But now that's very same institution that was supposed to kind of centralize us to remember Something Together is sporadic. It feels like I don't even know what song. I don't even know if I knew any song at the Grammys. I don't even know if I've heard it because I don't listen to the radio.
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Phil Labonte
Spirit Box performance was great, I'll say that much.
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Oren McIntyre
I didn't know they were there.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Oren McIntyre
Okay. Well, that might have been worse.
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Phil Labonte
They're a heavy metal band. They're, you know, they're good. But I will say it's likely that the only reason that particular heavy metal band was performing is because they have a female singer.
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Oren McIntyre
That's correct.
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
- [53:51]
Oren McIntyre
So, yeah, they should have gone with Seven Kingdoms.
- [53:53]
Adam Johnson
Better.
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Oren McIntyre
Better. Female lead singer. Yeah. All right, guys. Well, we also want to talk a little bit about some more happenings in Minneapolis. The left, of course, was talking for years and years about the need for body cams. And all of a sudden, after finally getting what they wanted most, they recognize that that's a huge mistake. Coming from CBS News, all federal immigrant immigration agents in Minneapolis will begin by wearing body cameras. Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem said on Monday as the department faces intense scrutiny over a pair of fatal shootings by federal agents in the Twin Cities. Effective immediately, we are deploying body cams to every officer in the field in Minneapolis, Noem said on X, writing that she had discussed the move with the heads of Immigration, Customs Enforcement, and Border Protection. So, obviously, you know, we've been making this joke for a long time, but the call for body cameras has been the largest cell phone the left has ever had in history. All the cops were racist. All of them were brutal. And of course, we do see that, and I'm glad that Ultimately, we do have footage for when the police are stepping out of line, but the majority of what we're seeing is actually the police are largely justified. The body cams are vindicating most of the actions. And so the fact that the left has seen what a disaster this is and now they're trying to actively fight, fight against those body cams really is one of the just most beautiful things.
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Phil Labonte
You'Ve seen along that's worth noting. The fact that there are so many leftists that are saying, no, these are actually bad and they're, they're contributing to stereotypes and we should, we should stop this now. It's really.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, they're like, oh, it's an invasion of privacy because they're going to record these guys when they shouldn't be interacting with them in the first place. Trump said it perfectly. It's just like this is the best thing that ever happened to law enforcement was the body cameras, because it just showed that they were justified every single time. I'm paraphrasing what he said. So it'd be the same thing with ice. It's like, okay, maybe these fatal shootings. Who really knows what happens? Because it's really the ICE agent's word versus the person that's not there anymore. So with the police, or, sorry, with the body camera, I think it's gonna put away a lot of these high profile, you know, deaths or whatever.
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Oren McIntyre
So I just love that they're saying, oh, the body cams are enforcing stereotypes.
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Adam Johnson
Like, huh, yeah, maybe the perpetrators should stop enforcing stereotypes, you know.
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Oren McIntyre
No, it's the camera. The camera made the view, Adam.
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Adam Johnson
Yeah, it's the camera.
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Oren McIntyre
I'm sure you experience that, you know, the camera just compelled you.
- [56:11]
Ian Crossland
It's a big magnet.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, it, it is. It. I do think that this is going to be a good thing overall because, like, like you said, you know, when it does show that the, the officers or agents have, have stepped out of line, you know, we can do something about it because you do want police to behave in appropriate ways. But I think that in the long run, it's going to show that the police largely behave in appropriate ways and the people that are, you know, people that are being arrested are the problem. Look, the, the people that are going to say that the police are the problem are going to say that the police are the problem no matter what. You had the, the shooting of, of what's pretty. I forget what his first name is. Shooting of pretty.
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Oren McIntyre
Say his name.
- [56:51]
Phil Labonte
There were like.
- [56:52]
Oren McIntyre
I will not.
- [56:53]
Phil Labonte
There were like six or Seven different angles of that, of that shooting. And people are just like, no, you see, this is, this is, of course, this is police brutality, blah, blah, blah. It's so wrong, et cetera, et cetera. And it doesn't matter what you show them, they're going to do. I mean, just like you say all the time, it's friend, enemy, distinction. That's, it's. That's the way that the left operates. And so if you're on the left, you're going to say, well, this. And then. And if you have an answer for that particular argument, well, they'll change the argument. Just move the goalpost.
- [57:22]
Adam Johnson
And that's the way they champion luigi shooting the UnitedHealthcare CEO. So they would champion Alex shooting an ICE officer. That's, that's, that's who they are.
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Oren McIntyre
So, so funny enough, you saying they, you know, say, say his name. Say her name. Have you seen the left struggle se all the white leftists saying, oh, no, say her name. That's only for. That's only for black women. We only say the name of black women. So even if you martyr yourself, like, even if you literally die for the cause as a white person, you are still such scum to these people that they're like, no, we're not gonna say, we're not gonna honor you.
- [57:54]
Adam Johnson
All white martyrs will be named Robert Poulson.
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Tate Brown
There was literally that guy, the guy that, like, lit himself on fire for Palestine and, like, in uniform. And literally there was a viral Tweet with like 60, 70k likes that was like, yeah, but this guy had no problem taking a paycheck from the institution that was, like, harming, you know, people.
- [58:09]
Oren McIntyre
In the Middle East.
- [58:09]
Tate Brown
So it's like you literally could light yourself on fire and they would still dunk on you.
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Oren McIntyre
I also love that I forget that that happened until someone brings up every time like, we will remember you for the cause. No, they won't.
- [58:19]
Adam Johnson
They don't care.
- [58:21]
Tate Brown
I'm not even being facetious. I do not remember his name.
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Phil Labonte
No, no, don't write anymore. I do, but I won't say it. But the reason I. Part of the reason why I.
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Oren McIntyre
Well, because it's for black women, Paul. It's for black women.
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Phil Labonte
Part of the reason why I remembered is I have a great little clip about it where it's just, just totally demolishes his, his, his performance. And I'll send it to you guys later.
- [58:41]
Adam Johnson
I just feel bad for all those virgins waiting for him.
- [58:45]
Oren McIntyre
It's 72 trans women. Yeah. So it's quite the letdown.
- [58:50]
Ian Crossland
I want to get body cameras that are 360 on these cops. So, like, you could go on, like, YouTube 360 and like, spin your spin around, see? But would that give away too much information like, like, now you know who's approaching the cop from behind, like, how to get closer to a cop when he's not looking like. Or would that just be good, good analytics?
- [59:07]
Tate Brown
Can they live stream?
- [59:08]
Adam Johnson
I would pay for a subscription.
- [59:09]
Ian Crossland
That's kind of fun.
- [59:11]
Oren McIntyre
So that is actually an interesting question. Like, does the body cam regularity of body cams create a scenario where you're giving away techniques, giving away information, intelligence? Right? Like, that's something that you worry about constantly in a warfare scenario. You don't want to think about our urban environments like that, that. But that is a real concern to think about ultimately, because we see that these guys are operating their autonomous zones. We're running your plates through the system. They're already mimicking all the things they think ICE is doing. What if they're just using that, you know, body cam footage as some kind of game film to figure out how they should be having or how they could trap, you know, trick an ICE agent, you know, lure them in to a bad situation because they've watched how that film has played out before. I think that's a possibility that a lot of people haven't considered when it comes to the body cam.
- [59:56]
Ian Crossland
It's another example of liberalism getting taken advantage of by authoritarianism. Like, it's a. We're making. It's a very good act of faith to have your police officers linked up to a camera. Like, you're putting some. Some, you know, some responsibility on these guys, some accountability. And the downside of that is if some autocrat wants to come and ruin the system, they've got a better information about how to do it.
- [60:19]
Oren McIntyre
We've got Trump here talking about the body cams. Let's check on that real quick.
- [60:24]
Ian Crossland
Because people can't lie about what's happening. So it's generally speaking, I think 80%.
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Phil Labonte
Good for law enforcement.
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Oren McIntyre
But if she wants to do that.
- [60:33]
Phil Labonte
I'm okay with it. Yeah, that was it.
- [60:37]
Tate Brown
That was it.
- [60:38]
Ian Crossland
So we're taking deep fakes. So how long until they get a deep fake body cam? This happened or has it already happened?
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Oren McIntyre
Well, yeah, there. There is a real info hazard of just AI body cams wrecking people, right? Like, oh, well, it looks like body cam footage. I would immediately accept it because of the graininess or the way that it, you know, it plays out. And then all of a sudden that goes viral, completely changes the story. You assume that it's legitimate because it looks like it's from a body cam. It doesn't look like just an average cell phone or something else that's easily manipulated. That's a real problem, bro.
- [61:07]
Ian Crossland
We just saw the picture of that guy's face get AI manipulated. Pretty ready.
- [61:11]
Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
And next phase will be a completely made up human gets assaulted by a police officer. There are riots in a street somewhere. MSNBC picks up the story, runs the image of this completely doctored fictitious event in the. A fake person.
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Oren McIntyre
So. So this is a really thing. Like this is a very Baudrillardian moment. Like what happens when you have your first riot for a fake victim? Like not in the, you know, civil rights, you know. Yeah, sure, I'm sure that guy got knocked down in the 1980s, but like an actual completely computer generated human being.
- [61:41]
Phil Labonte
Is that kind of room.
- [61:43]
Oren McIntyre
Yes, that is absolutely the Similacrum. Yeah.
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Tate Brown
Well, they had an AI video come out where it was Renee good complying. She was, yes, Officer, yes. And then steps out of the car. So it's like we could have the first AI exoneration where it stops a riot. I don't know, I'm just spitballing here.
- [61:55]
Adam Johnson
I've never seen that video.
- [61:56]
Tate Brown
I wanted to bring it up. It was really like, that's an amazing video.
- [61:58]
Ian Crossland
You could teach your kids.
- [61:58]
Phil Labonte
Be like, I don't think videos ever stopped a riot.
- [62:03]
Oren McIntyre
What we do is we black bag the commies and then we put their admissions of their loyalty to Trump out like, like Winston from 1984, except it's just their AI representation. Right. Like they disappear. But, oh, look, before he went off to that island in Tahiti, he definitely, you know, endorsed President Trump's reign.
- [62:21]
Tate Brown
That's what he could do for like the. Any Venezuelan holdouts left is we could have Maduro singing the I Will Vote for Donald Trump song, like what the Cubans sing, and then just plaster it like on a, on a Goodyear blimp and fly it over Caracas. And any loyalist will come out and be like, oh, well, clearly I'm being bamboozled here. I should be supporting President Trump. Beautiful thing.
- [62:37]
Ian Crossland
What's the Bodrian? You said Bodrian.
- [62:40]
Oren McIntyre
So Jean Baudrillard was a French philosopher who wrote Simulation and Simulacrum, which is the book that the Wachowskis read before the Matrix, before they did that. But it's also like a much deeper study on like the nature of creating False realities and hyper, Hyper reality is a term you might have heard that.
- [62:59]
Phil Labonte
Came out of Bojear he made basically, I think he made the argument that the Iraq war never happened.
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Oren McIntyre
That's one of his famous satisfactions.
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Phil Labonte
So it's not that the like, like war things happened. Right. There was actually combat, but because in war you don't know who's going to win. Right. In a real war, you don't know who's going to win. There's a chance that one side will outsmart the other. But there was no chance that Iraq was going to win the first Gulf War. Everyone knew it. The United States was going to go in and do what they wanted. So it wasn't really a war. So the argument was it was a simulation of a war war. The Iraq war never actually happened because there was no war, because it looked like war. And there were more things. But real wars are, are, they're not predetermined. There's, there's the possibility of someone else winning so.
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Oren McIntyre
Well, and it's also not experienced by the wider population. They only see it on the television screen. It's all abstract and in a way you could say the protests in Minnesota never happen. Right. Because how many people really our experience and how many people really understand what's going on? All of your reality is being absorbed through social media, through clips, through out of context understandings. You don't know anybody who's been there. You know, people who, if you're, if you were Alive in the 1950s, you knew people went through World War II. You could talk to people. You probably experienced it. Everyone you knew experience it. It was a real war in the sense that people you knew had direct experience when it came to, you know, different civil rights struggles or, or nationwide protests. They were real in the sense that everyone saw them happen. But when you have these small, focused, hyper media, concentrated scenarios, it's all abstract, it's all removed. Nobody has direct understandings of what's going on. So what do we end up doing? I'll end up debating the hyper realities we're experiencing rather than actually discussing the facts on the ground and what we have experienced as people.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, and, and that's, that's kind of what societies become like. Like everything is a simulation of reality to some degree nowadays or for the most. The vast majority of people's lives now are a simulation of reality because we experience it through screens as opposed to going out and doing things and experiencing it firsthand.
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Ian Crossland
Literally everything we're talking about tonight is through simulation.
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Oren McIntyre
Yes. Yeah. We are debating the simulacrum in a very real sense.
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Adam Johnson
Yes, we're part of the problem.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
And the solution. I think we should all be wearing.
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Tate Brown
Body cameras while we're live.
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Ian Crossland
I heard this conspiracy theory that Charlemagne. You guys probably heard he was the first Holy Roman Emperor. Was a very.
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Phil Labonte
Guy who was a radio host.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, Charlemagne, the God.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
But in the year, all of a sudden, the Catholic Church was like, it's the year 1000, and there was a guy named Charlemagne that was your first Holy Roman Emperor. And we've always controlled this land for four years. I don't know if it's real, but it's like considering the simulacrum and just like foisted history.
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Tate Brown
Was it Gregory that took 18 days out of the calendar?
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Oren McIntyre
Well, to be fair, he really did kill the Saxons until they converted Christianity. That was not a simulation. So that was very real.
- [65:54]
Adam Johnson
We need that type of leadership.
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Tate Brown
I'm still not over the Norman conquest, dude. It makes me so mad.
- [65:58]
Phil Labonte
Condolences.
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Tate Brown
Everyone's like, hung up on Jews. I'm like, okay, can we handle the Normans?
- [66:03]
Ian Crossland
Something was taken from you.
- [66:06]
Tate Brown
Yes. Anglo Saxon society.
- [66:08]
Ian Crossland
They just went in there and they were just.
- [66:09]
Tate Brown
The Norman yolk. It just lays on my shoulder.
- [66:11]
Ian Crossland
So now I'm thinking about. We're settling.
- [66:13]
Adam Johnson
Just really want to bring back that prima nocturne.
- [66:15]
Tate Brown
I know.
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Adam Johnson
Thanks for.
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Ian Crossland
We'll probably go there. I don't know if we talked about the Grammys. Billie Eilish said, you know, you can't. You can't take stolen. No one can claim stolen land and there are no borders. So, like, it was a contradiction, I think, in what she said. You know, there's no borders, but the land has been stolen. But, like, if there's no borders, then there's nothing to steal. We're all about to colonize Mars and the moon. So, like, what do we do? How do we do. This is it. Whoever gets there first gets to have it.
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Phil Labonte
Yes, yes.
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Ian Crossland
And then they'll just kill anyone that tries to take it. And that's just how it's always going to be.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah.
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Adam Johnson
We own the moon, right? We own the moon. Where Flag was there first.
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Oren McIntyre
That's how it was works. Yeah. 100%.
- [66:51]
Ian Crossland
We're in a race to colonize. Right.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, there's not really a race, like the United States is going to send up the Artemis rocket and the end of the week or something like that. And then a few months later, I guess the Artemis is going to actually go up and land and we'll start building the first moon base up there.
- [67:05]
Ian Crossland
And maybe we can talk about on the after show because a whole other conversation. Moon settlement.
- [67:09]
Tate Brown
Because I also have an idea of how to defend the moon, but it's not YouTube friendly.
- [67:12]
Ian Crossland
Lasers.
- [67:13]
Tate Brown
I wish.
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Phil Labonte
Much hotter.
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Adam Johnson
A swimming contest.
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Phil Labonte
Are you going to talk about the Golden Dome? I just, I learned the Golden Dome is not just land based. I learned they're actually looking at having satellites that are involved in that.
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Oren McIntyre
Well, Reagan called that Star Wars. That project's been around for a while.
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Phil Labonte
30, 35 years ago, it was less realistic than it is today.
- [67:35]
Oren McIntyre
That's true. That's true.
- [67:36]
Phil Labonte
So, yeah, anyhow.
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Adam Johnson
Well, that took a left hand turn, you know.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, Reagan was the left hand.
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Oren McIntyre
All right, guys. Well, we also want to talk about other deportation efforts. There's been rumors that the Trump administration is going to wrap up to ramp up its efforts not just towards the Somali population in Minnesota, but also looking at the Haitian population. Over 300 groups are asking Donald Trump and his administration to reverse course on ending the Haitian Temporary protected status. Hundreds of organizations, including civil rights groups, labor unions, immigrants rights advocates and faith leaders nationwide, are urging President Trump and leaders of the Department of State and Homeland Security to preserve temporary immigration status for Haitians. The calls come amid a growing fear and anxiety over the fate of more than 300,000 Asians who could lose temporary Protected status Benefits as of 12:59 Tuesday if a federal judge does not intervene. Now, the most impressive part of this has been the hilarious Democrats who have been going out there and warning, giving press conferences. They've been saying insane stuff like, like, please, whatever you do, don't send them back. Haiti is a dangerous place. You can't send Haitians to Haiti.
- [68:48]
Adam Johnson
What?
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Oren McIntyre
Sending these people back to Haiti is basically a death sentence. And that's why we are asking the administration to open up their hearts and to extend this.
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Tate Brown
TPS sending these and to extend.
- [69:01]
Oren McIntyre
Now.
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Adam Johnson
Tate Seal looks great for 70.
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Oren McIntyre
I have a theoretical question for you.
- [69:07]
Tate Brown
Okay.
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Adam Johnson
If a, if a.
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Oren McIntyre
The country is dangerous because it's full of people from that country, if you bring the people of that country to our country, what happens? Does the magical soil make them not dangerous?
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Tate Brown
No pets go missing.
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Phil Labonte
Magic soil.
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Tate Brown
If you ask the Dominicans about Haiti, I mean, talk about Israel, Palestine, we have it in our hemisphere. The Haitians and Dominicans, they go, well, it's really the Dominicans.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah. They don't go at it.
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Phil Labonte
They're just like, don't touch the wall.
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Tate Brown
Yeah. Literally, like, yeah. So you want to see Israel, Palestine looks like a freaking kid's birthday party compared to what the kids do. They can't stand the Haitians and probably because they keep eating their cats and stuff.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, for people that don't know, the Dominican Republic and Haiti are on the same island. Right. And there is a gigantic wall. The Dominicans are just like, don't come near the wall, Haitians. And if you come near the wall, we will shoot you. And they do.
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Tate Brown
Yeah. So how does the Dominican Republic have a better policy on Haitians in the United States? What is going on? Have you met a Dominican?
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Ian Crossland
They're not experienced. They've been dealing with it since the beginning.
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Oren McIntyre
That's true.
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Ian Crossland
What's the deal with Haiti? And this isn't a Seinfeld thing. I'm serious.
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Oren McIntyre
What's the deal with Haiti? You can't have a dog there.
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Tate Brown
Goes missing.
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Oren McIntyre
It was founded on a satanic blood ritual. And I'm not. That's not a joke. They just murdered all the white people there and like, sacrifice them and. Yeah, that's. It's. It's cursed.
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Ian Crossland
Was it like a revolution?
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah, it was the revolution because it was a French colony. Right. And the, The Haitians were working as slaves at the time. So I can understand why they were a little angry at the French given everything that was going on. But the reaction was, let's say, John Brown esque in its disproportionality. Except they did it to the entire white population of the. Of the island at the time, what year got better.
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Adam Johnson
But they like.
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Tate Brown
I don't.
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Oren McIntyre
I don't have.
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Adam Johnson
But they like white people now. Right.
- [70:52]
Oren McIntyre
1805 it looks.
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Ian Crossland
And then they've just been living off the. The industrial refuse since. Or something.
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Tate Brown
And that's not much has improved since then.
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Oren McIntyre
Well, they're usually run by cannibal warlords. I believe Barbecue is the current.
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Tate Brown
He's a respectable member of the Internet community.
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Adam Johnson
Yeah. But God is merciful and sends a hurricane once a year to clean up the problems.
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Tate Brown
There was the Family Guy bit where Godzilla rolled up to Port au Prince and he was like, oh, oh. And like slowly retreated back in the water.
- [71:18]
Oren McIntyre
I've made a terrible mistake. I see.
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Adam Johnson
I'm not needed here. They've already destroyed everything.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, I know. It's really something that they're just like, this country is so unbelievably violent that even the people that flopped out of the country by all accounts, wouldn't be able to go back. I mean, it's absolutely. That's the whole thing. I Think it was Matt Walsh. He made the point where he's like, usually people coming from the third world are the ones that actually flopped out of the country. Like, they're not like the top performers. These people that couldn't cut it in Guatemala. So now they're coming to the US and it's the same thing with the Haitians. It's like these aren't like the top performers making it over here. Those guys are running things in Haiti. These are the people that are like literally at the bottom of the barrel and they're like out of desperation to try and sneak into the U.S. well.
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Adam Johnson
We tried to help them several times. There were earthquakes back and God, was it 06 06, something like that?
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Adam Johnson
The 2010, the, the Clinton foundation came in, was supposed to take care of all of these people and all disappeared. Something like that. Something like that. We have tried to help billions of the Clintons.
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Ian Crossland
Next time it says after Haiti was had the independence in 1804, they had to pay 25 billion back to France and it destroyed their economy. And then the US took control of the country from 1915-34, entrenching foreign control. That's all.
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Tate Brown
And then it goes on the whole idea, because this is what these like, these third worldists, like activists, they always blame France for like Haiti's despair. And they'll be like, oh, what's this massive debt they hold over them? But like it's Haitians, A, and then B, they like missed the payments like all the time. Like, it wasn't like they actually made these payments at all.
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Adam Johnson
It's like, Frank, that's a dangerous stereotype to say they don't pay their bills.
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Oren McIntyre
Credit is terrible. It's not anyone's fault.
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Phil Labonte
It's worth, it's worth.
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Tate Brown
The worst part about Haiti is their credit score.
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Phil Labonte
It's worth noting that it. There is a 365 day growing season in that country. Right?
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Adam Johnson
Yeah. Literally.
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Phil Labonte
Even if you were just an agricultural location, you know, country, and based on just that, they should be able to produce enough not only to, to trade with other countries, but to feed everybody. In Haiti, they don't. They eat each other Sometimes.
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Adam Johnson
Have you had vegetables?
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Ian Crossland
You had Haitians?
- [73:28]
Adam Johnson
I mean, I was in prison.
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Oren McIntyre
So. We do have some breaking news here. News here. It looks like a federal judge temporarily blocked the end of protections for Haitians in the U.S. the ruling. Oh, the ruling pauses the Trump administration's plan to end a program that allowed more than 300 people from Haiti to remain in the United States. A federal judge on Monday temporarily blocked the Trump administration from ending a humanitarian protection for more than 350,000 Haitians who will, who have been able to live and work in the United States under what is known as temporary protected status. So no surprise there. Another activist judge says, of course you can't deport people who shouldn't be here. That would mean you have some kind of, I don't know, know, executive power. It's like you were elected to do something. It's my job, of course, to stop you immediately.
- [74:20]
Adam Johnson
Now you'll never guess what she looks like.
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Oren McIntyre
If I was in the Mos Eisley Cantina, would that help me guess her name?
- [74:29]
Adam Johnson
It helps.
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Phil Labonte
I'm surprised.
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Oren McIntyre
Oh, no.
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Tate Brown
Which one?
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Oren McIntyre
All right, the other direction.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, on the left.
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Oren McIntyre
Exactly. Yeah.
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Phil Labonte
She looks like a good boy.
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Oren McIntyre
So the, the temporary protected status here we see in the article is a designation that, that's created by the US Government and can give to countries grappling with natural disasters, armed conflicts or other acute crisis make conditions in their country particularly dangerous. There's only one problem. That's just Haiti all the time. That's just an excuse to move all of Haiti here all the time. And guys, we were talking about this a little bit in the behind the scenes, the green room beforehand, but I think this is a big shift because previously when we talked about immigration, conservatives, Republicans, they were always terrified even to talk about immigration restriction. But one of the things they were very careful about was always make it about the individual. It's about the individual person. We can't judge groups, we can't talk about groups, we can't prefer groups. We have to judge each individual on their own. And instead what we're seeing is increasingly conservatives are comfortable saying no. There are countries, peoples, you know, religions, traditions that are not compatible with us, that are not ultimately going to help the US Is not going to contribute to the overall well being of the American people. So whether it's Somalia or Haiti or whatever country we're looking at, if ultimately we deem that country to not be worth our time, to not be contributing, it's okay to just say blanket, no, we are not interested in having people from that country here. And I think that's actually a monumental shift in the rhetoric and framing when it comes to the immigration issue.
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Adam Johnson
Implicit bias saves lives. That's it. That's it. I think if you, if you live your life in whatever bubble you live in, you'd have a pretty good idea of who you surround yourself with. And yeah, the actions of those around you. And if you formulate opinions based on your own bubble and those opinions happen to be what some people call racist, I would say, well, you go live in those places and live around the same people. But there is a reason why people do self select and self sort throughout the entire country. There is, there is people like to be safe and like to be alone around like minded people. And that's not terrible, that's not a terrible thing. I like people that I have things in common with.
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Tate Brown
Yeah. Literally like this is like the whole thing is because it, it's great that we're able to like address Haitians and Somalians and stuff, but it's downstream from the real like, you know, I guess the real conclusion that we should be coming to, which is like the demographic composition of your country is a very valid, like the very valid discussion to have. And for whatever reason, like people in the west aren't allowed to have that, but pretty much every other country is allowed to like have a conversation like, what do I want my culture to look like? What do I want my country to look like? The actual composition of the country, you always in the United States have to predicate it with like you know, some economic argument or perhaps that they're just extremely violent.
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Oren McIntyre
Which is true.
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Tate Brown
And those are arguments that I use myself. But even if like they were just top performers, I should still be able to say like, for example, like the Chinese maybe I'd be like, well, yeah, but that still changes my country. And I would like my country, my kids, my grandkids, the country to look like my country.
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Adam Johnson
We're not honest people. Like school choice exists because if I had a choice to send my kids to a school that's on MLK versus a school that's not on mlk, I mean, I'm definitely choosing the school not on mlk.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, I mean, look, I think the Chinese argument or the China argument is a little different. I think it's a bad example because China's an adversary. And every single Chinese person that has family in China, every single Chinese person here that also has family in China is a, could be compromised because they will apply pressure to their family, throw them in jail to get the people that are here. So I understand the point you're making, but when it comes to China, they're, they're absolutely an adversary. And the idea that they're in any way should be partnered with or anything, it is a terrible idea. Every single Chinese person with family back home is compromised currently. And it should be completely obvious to any Serious government. That that's the case. So we should do everything we can to make sure that we send Chinese people back to China because they have. They will absolutely be used against us by their own government.
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Adam Johnson
We got to stop apologizing. Like, that's the end of this conversation. We have to stop apologizing. We have to understand where we are, how we got here, knew the exact opposite. And we can't be apologetic about it. I know it's going to get messy. People's lives will be lost at the end of this. But what is the alternative?
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Oren McIntyre
That's the real question is everything has been half measures up to this point. As Phil's even saying. How can we even treat our government as serious if they're not going to expel Chinese students, Chinese nationals who are here. We know for a fact we just busted a few Chinese nationals smuggling things in and out of the United States. Scientific secrets.
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Phil Labonte
Bringing diseases.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah, yeah. Bringing biological weapons or biological material. That's dangerous in the United States. This is not some isolated incident. This is a common occurrence. And yet we never address it because we want the money. That's what Trump said, said, right? Straight up. We, we need them to fund our universities, which is garbage, because obviously we want Americans to go to our universities. And it's fine if a few of those collapse because ultimately they're just teaching children to hate their parents and to hate America anyway. So ultimately that wouldn't be some travesty if we lost it. But we can look to a different example. We could look to someone like Japan, who is a true ally, who I think most people would feel very comfortable saying is an advantage. It's an honorable culture. I would say that's a culture worth admiring, but it's still not my culture. I want Japan to be Japanese in 50 years, and I want America to be American. And that doesn't mean I don't love Japanese culture. I don't think they're awesome. I don't respect it. It just means I respect it so much I want it to exist. And the same thing's true of the United States. And as you're saying, we should be able to say that that's okay. We are a people in a place living in a certain way. And there is no reason to pretend that for that we're the only, you know, civilization, history, that's entirely abstract, entirely ideological. You can just change out the people and nothing matters. No, I'm sorry. Our culture is great. Our principles are great. Our way of life is great. But it comes from the people, it comes from the, the tradition we have grown up in. And you cannot simply bring someone from Haiti or Somalia in and just slap them into some American university, give them a Social Security number and call it a day. That does not make them an American.
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Adam Johnson
We're called a melting pot. Right, that's, that's fine. Like all, not all immigration is terrible. I think we have some great immigrants here who actually love our country, who escaped communism. That's. I want, I want those people. I want those people. People are great. Right? But if we are, if we're a melting pot, then we're a solution. Right? Our solution. And if there's a falsehood of, of migrants coming in, illegals coming in, you're going to supersaturate that solution. The whole thing has to be titrated, distilled, and that been fixed. We're, we're at super saturation. It's time to distill. Figure out what makes America the good parts of America. Keep that and get rid of the rest.
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Ian Crossland
You got to let it melt. Like, you bring these pieces and parts into the pot, but if it's. You get, if it's too many too fast, you got a chunky mess. So you, you have to spend. People need to homogenize. They come in. That's why we say about the individual. You bring one person in, surround them with Americans that are indoctrinating them. 10 years, 15 years, they're probably going to be pretty American. But if you bring 500 other Haitians in and they're surrounding one American, it's a completely inverted scenario where this one guy's gonna potentially develop sympathies or become Haitian minded, you know?
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Tate Brown
Yeah, you get ethnic enclaves. And like, we even had this problem with Ellis island immigration, like when like the Ellis island wave of immigrants came in. These are coming from countries that were like very close to the United States, culturally speaking, as far as, like, I mean, you had Irish, Italians only, like, big, massive difference. They had from other western European countries that they're Catholic, not Protestant, and even they had like a lot of issues assimilating. Like, they would create these massive ethnic enclaves. These gangs. They would have. They basically took over the Democrat party in a lot of ways. And so we had these massive problems with Ellis island and we make it out on the other side and instead of like robbing a brown, be like, wow, we made out of that in one piece. We're like, no, let's make it worse and just like expand the definition of who should come here.
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Oren McIntyre
Well, the problem is every time we, you know, bring that up, the left treats that as like, oh, we can assimilate people. Like, that's proof we can assimilate people. No, that's proof that you could just barely assimilate people close to you. We forget the fact that the Germans had to be forced to break up many of their ethnic neighborhoods. They often had to. Their kids had to be sent to schools to learn English because they did not want to assimilate. There was an active, like just Germans, who we think of as pretty American at this point in the United States, were put in internment camps along with the Japanese during World War II for the fear that some of them might be traitors. That's how it wasn't that long ago where these were very foreign people.
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Phil Labonte
And we shut down immigration for like 40 years too, didn't we? Something like that.
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Adam Johnson
Yeah.
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Oren McIntyre
Because it took previously before it took.
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Tate Brown
Two wars from the fight buy their ticket. Like, okay, you have stake here. Like, okay, we got it. These people now literally just rock up. There's like no back. Like there's no way for them to actually buy stake in the country in any tangible way. They're just really here to benefit. When you look at it, they have outsized welfare participation. I mean, it's just unbelievable. Everywhere you look, it's just every single argument you could possibly make for mass migration, it just falls flat in its face.
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Ian Crossland
I was in like that liberal mind spiral in like 2006, 7, 8, and I was very much, I like culture bombing. I like going to a neighborhood that is not, not my culture and becoming the culture of that neighborhood and then meeting all the locals and they look up to me and they want to be more like the American. And I love doing that. But then I'm realizing, like, so do other people. They love coming here and they love just changing Americans the way I like to change whoever in Little Italy or whatever. Now you're American, like, yeah. So it's a double edged blade, that desire to change people's culture.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah.
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Tate Brown
I, I was reading online about a Japanese tourist that came to Los Angeles and was really, really disappointed to find that there was like virtually no Americans in the places he was visiting. And that made me pretty sad because I'm like, I'm so proud of the United States and so proud of my culture and etc that I do want tourists to come here and be like amazed by what we're, what we have and sort of our people and that sort of thing. And I found that story really heartbreaking. Like you know, a lot of people laughed at this, like, wow, that really shows the state Los Angeles is. And I'm like, yeah, because they're not gonna, I mean, no offense, but they're not gonna visit Nebraska. Like, they're gonna visit Los Angeles, they're gonna visit New York City, they're gonna visit Chicago. These places should be dripping in American culture to where a Japanese person, you know, whoever arrives to visit for a week, and they're like blown away by how rich and deep our culture is. It's just not happening.
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Adam Johnson
I've noticed in tourist spots though, I travel quite a bit. And like, even when I go to these places that are very tourist, I'd be like, there is not a lot of me there, right? There's not a lot of me there. And it worries me because, like, is it just because we're working to pay for everyone to be here? Because where, where are people like me?
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Oren McIntyre
You're. They're running away, right? Like, this is the, the key. You gotta remember that even the phrase the melting pot is accepting leftist propaganda. Like this was a phrase that was worked out by a Jewish playwright, was adopted by a lot of culturally influenced people. But ultimately, even though Teddy Roosevelt took a look at it, he, he decided to reject it. He said he wanted something that understood that America was more of a consistent culture. You could still add people to. It was never the idea that no one could join, but understanding that these people are assimilating to your culture, you're not bringing their culture in. They have to completely immerse themselves. They have to be completely willing to become part of your group. That that's what matters. And so that's the thing that you need to keep in mind. This is why classic immigration, classic assimilation was always considered to be multi generational. Aristotle and I think Aquinas eventually talked about three generation immigration and how that, that allows you to ultimately vet whether or not someone is absorbing the culture, they're going to contribute, their interest in actually assimilating and not just creating some kind of ethnic beachhead. And that's what allows you. It's the time, it's the investment, it's the multi generational effort. That's what shows that you're somebody who wants to be part of a culture, who wants to be an American.
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Ian Crossland
Was little, the formations of Little Italy, little whatever, Little Korea, all these little, little homogenized like sub communities. Is, was that a. Newer than a adaptation? Because, because it sounds like if Teddy Roosevelt, he didn't want.
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Tate Brown
Since the 1800s, was it just like.
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Ian Crossland
We have no choice.
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Tate Brown
It used to be on a bigger scale, there would be entire regions that were like German speaking, French speaking, like this was on a larger scale. But yeah, you had like Chinatown pockets. They've. It's always been that way at least since like the foundation of a lot of these cities, like San Francisco's always had a Chinatown, these sorts of things. Just because like, again, someone arrives here from another country, they're going to want to like be. It's a very natural thing. I bet if a bunch of Americans moved to China, we'd probably pack into a little spot.
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Ian Crossland
So you're saying it used to be.
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Adam Johnson
New Orleans is still like that?
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, New Orleans.
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Ian Crossland
It used to be just like a huge section of foreigners. Germans here, Norwegians here, densely populated.
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Oren McIntyre
This is why you still see the Dutch in certain parts. This is why you still see these different cultures still manifest themselves in the Midwest or the Northeast. You can continually see the kind of, the ethnic imprint. But the difference is, you know, America was forming at that time and we had to fill a lot of land. We had to conquer. We had an entire, entire continent basically that we needed to take over because if we didn't, some other European power was going to do it, right? And so we had to fill that land. That's why you saw so many large ways of immigration, especially as we pushed west. Because if we just simply didn't put physical bodies in those areas, I mean, think about what's still happening near the Mexican border, right? We never truly populated those areas. And so in a way, kind of just whether we draw these kind of artificial lines or not, the natural barrier of the people who live there actually dictates who owns what area of any given nation. So we were that way when we were forming, but we're beyond that now. And it's okay to say this was the way we had to be when we were becoming a nation. But now that we've done that, we're something else. You know, the, the Rome started as a collection of thieves and criminals who came together originally. I don't think that's how they ultimate to find themselves a thousand years later saying, well, we were founded by thieves and criminals, so that's just who we are. They understood that there were different moments in their history. They went from being a kingdom to a republic to an empire. And it's okay as Americans to realize, okay, there was a moment where large scale immigration and kind of these ethnic enclaves were a part of who we are. But now we have to unify and we have to become something else. And we no longer need to bring in, you know, 20, 30, 40 million people to conquer the the frontier. There is no frontier anymore. So we don't have to act that way.
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Tate Brown
So I think like a half million Germans on the frontier is just like not the same as like Bengali neighborhoods in the biggest city in our country.
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Ian Crossland
Once we need to populate Mars and we're in a rush to lay bodies down on the surface, we'll just be.
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Adam Johnson
Like, look, we'll send the Haitians. There we go.
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Ian Crossland
What's that?
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Adam Johnson
We'll send the Haitians.
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Ian Crossland
That's what I'm saying. You come to America, we launch you as an American when you land. And you're going to pioneer the danger. And if you survive, you can have the plot.
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Adam Johnson
I want to be in charge of second the fuel lines.
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Ian Crossland
But dude, the Chinese are building robots. A robot that can run around in 44 negative 44 degrees. Maybe we could talk about this on the after show too to populate more. I think they're going full robot population.
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Tate Brown
That could be interesting.
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Ian Crossland
They're just going to drop hundreds of thousands of robots and be like, try and take it from us where the Chinese just developed some robot that can walk in negative 44 degree winter for like hundreds of miles at a time.
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Tate Brown
That would be kind of exciting if like the moon just turned into like the battle box bots TV show and it was just like all the countries dropping in robots. It was a scene. Who can be like, like, who does like the Czech Republic just events like a rock star robot. They're just like cleaning out house.
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Adam Johnson
Oh dude, wood watch.
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Ian Crossland
It'll be televised via drone. Yeah, dude, people are gonna be watching this.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, dude, like Megabot. It'll be like cool runnings. Like Jamaica develops just like an insane robot has like a week where it's just cleaning house and then it like runs out of fuel and like they.
- [89:14]
Ian Crossland
Build the carpet bot that can like take out a bunch of bots and like next week.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, like, yeah, like Afghanistan develops like the goat bot and it's like just blows.
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Ian Crossland
So the only other thing I'll say about mass immigrant because I think we might be going to super chats pretty soon. The last thing about the immigration, one thing that we could, we could do with these people as if they're slave servants to be used is replace the birth rate decline. If we're suffering actually a birth rate decline that some of these people that have come here could be used for menial labor or just earn your citizenship through Work or something.
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Oren McIntyre
So the problem is that that fails every time because the immigrant population's birth rate rate drops immediately after a generation or two. So bringing those people in makes them low birth rate faster than they replace your lack of birth rate. Uh, so. So this is always like a temptation, an understandable, logical temptation to solve this problem, but it reliably produces the opposite results. Because not only do these people become less and less likely to replace themselves, even though they had a higher fertility rate when they came in, they also depress the fertility rate of. Of the native population. Studies show repeatedly that higher immigration reduces the native fertility. So not only are you making a devil's bargain and the fact that these people are going to tank their own fertility rate, they're also going to tank yours in the process.
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Ian Crossland
Do they generally tank their fertility rate just because they assimilate to a culture that has a low fertility rate?
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Oren McIntyre
Well, there's a couple of things. First, it's modernity. The number one thing that stops fertility that tanks fertility rates is women's liberation and birth control. So the minute they have access to those, the fertility rate immediately drops. Drops. You also have the problem that immigrants tend to be strivers. They want to increase their socioeconomic situation. And the classic way to do that is to have fewer children. It's always poor people and rich people who have kids. It's the middle class that usually reduces its fertility rate in order to attempt to climb. So this is just a nexus of factors that are going to basically destroy your attempts to raise the fertility rate through immigration.
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Ian Crossland
Would it cover just the general loss of workforce for, like, a generation?
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Oren McIntyre
Sure, but it also creates the problem of we're phasing these jobs out as quickly as we can with AI Right. So, like, yes, in theory, you're replacing your workers, but will they have a job long enough for AI not to put them out of business? And when they do, you just brought a bunch of military aged men who are unemployed into your country. What do they do next?
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Ian Crossland
Oh, yeah, Good. Yep. That's where my mind was going to. That maybe don't even speak English. Who knows, right?
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Phil Labonte
Deporting is the. Is the solution.
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Oren McIntyre
Yes, Deportion.
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Adam Johnson
And to fix birth rates. Ban porn.
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Oren McIntyre
And good on the list.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, I was gonna say good border security. Duh. And good optics. Like, put it, you know, don't come. Don't come. That's what Kamala Harris told the world.
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Phil Labonte
So I think don't come.
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Tate Brown
But then we want to fix the bird.
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Ian Crossland
Don't come yet.
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Phil Labonte
Okay.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah.
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Tate Brown
You know, can you flesh this out?
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Ian Crossland
Don't come right. If you're are coming right the wrong way, come the right way.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, okay. No, that makes sense. That's the message. Trump administration officials watching said, ban porn.
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Phil Labonte
And you guys are just.
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Ian Crossland
Was I being too pornographic?
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Oren McIntyre
No, porn should be stimulating.
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Adam Johnson
Listen, I'm gonna pull out.
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Tate Brown
It's time to get back to either, like, a short temper. He had a little, you know, there's some more jokes there too. I'm really disappointed. You guys just skim past that really quickly.
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Oren McIntyre
Additional sexual.
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Tate Brown
Is this the. Was this the dwarf lobby coming out after you guys?
- [92:32]
Ian Crossland
Big seven.
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Adam Johnson
Seven little dwarf. Actually, they can't afford the big company quite yet, but.
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Phil Labonte
No, seriously, we don't need.
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Ian Crossland
We.
- [92:43]
Phil Labonte
We need deporting people. We need more people deported.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, we shouldn't be like any. This is kind of counters, like, a lot of things we say here at Temus, but, like, as Americans, we shouldn't be forced to, like, have 10 kids a piece just to compete with, like, foreign invaders. Like, we should be able to deport then. And so if someone has two kids, it's not like the end of the world. I'm just saying, like, it's kind of crazy. Some of the messaging online is like, let's have a ton of kids to compete with them. And it's like, if you're having kids for political reasons, it's not a good reason.
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Phil Labonte
Have kids for different reasons. Yeah, have kids because kids are good tax incentives. But like, like to. To, like, the deporting. Deporting of illegals should be a totally separate issue. We shouldn't say, oh, well, you know, we should have kids, you know, to replace the people that we deport, whether or not we have kids. We should deport the people that are here illegally.
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Oren McIntyre
It is the solution to all of the problems. Like you said, the mass importation is one of the things that drives down fertility rates. It increases the cost of health care, it increases the cost of housing, it reduces the ability to properly educate. The school systems get worse. The neighborhoods get more dangerous. Fewer and fewer people are willing to pay the additional cost to move their children out of a suburban area or to educate them in a good school in those areas is. It's just. It's just everything. It is the fix everything button. Deporting the illegals just fixes everything. All we have to do is have the will to make it happen. We move into questions here. It looks like we're going to super chats.
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Tate Brown
Oh, yeah, we can if you want.
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Oren McIntyre
Let's do it all right here. So looks like Lothal the Red. It's pretty entertaining seeing people spurk out about Tim's it's my boot, I voted for it. Comment from the other night. Yeah. What did you guys think about the reaction to that? Some people were supporting. A lot of people are saying, oh, look, Tim's the authoritarian now loves it.
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Phil Labonte
The people that were critical of it were mostly, you know, kind of Lalbert style people or the left. And I mean, essentially he's right. You know, the people that voted for Donald Trump voted for deportations. They want to see this. So the idea that it's like, oh, you know, you're gonna get the boot. Like, no, we're not gonna get the boot. All we're asking for is, again, laws that were passed about immigration in a bipartisan manner to be enforced. That's it. It's not like there's some new laws that have been passed. It's not some crazy, weird policy. This is mundane stuff that countries do. There are other countries where if you go into the country illegally, you go to jail for 10 years. There are some places where you get. You get killed. Like, if you go to North Korea and they catch you and you're there illegally, they will kill you. Like, deporting people, offering to pay people to leave the country is one of the most magnanimous things that any country has ever done. So the idea that this is somehow beyond the pale because we wanted. We say we want to actually have, you know, border enforcement and make sure that people that are here are only here legally, that's totally ridiculous. The idea that, that the Trump administration is the boot is actually clown world.
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Oren McIntyre
So I actually just did a show on this with Jerry Kaufman, who is a. He's a libertarian, but he's like one of the few sane libertarians. He's part of the Free State Project.
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Ian Crossland
He's great.
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Oren McIntyre
And he's just like, look, libertarians are bad on this because they see any action by the state as a violation, because it's just all ideological abstraction. His point was we are doing real libertarianism by ensuring that we have borders that keep out people who won't want to be libertarian. We have our own policies that drive people away, that disincentivize them to be part of this. He recognizes the importance. You could have a libertarian structure inside, as long as you kind of have a nice little authoritarian structure on the outside, keeping the libertarians safe to do their thing.
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Phil Labonte
I hope you guys takes by. Jeremy. Jeremy Coffin is. He says that he's like, I want people to be able to use heroin. And then if they use heroin in the park, I want Judge Dredd to come and kill them. Yes. You know, like, there's the. One of the things that libertarians consistently ignore is the responsibility that comes with liberty. They think that because you want to be free that there's no responsibilities. And that's not the way liberty works.
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Oren McIntyre
We're gonna let you do what you want, but you do it in public. And we're going Singapore on you.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Adam Johnson
You know, the rules of engagement have changed. Like, it's not the same game. Like, I'm glad you're enjoying your debates and going back and forth of whose Buddhist who's, but they're killing us and throwing us in prison. So I'm sorry. We can work it out in post.
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Oren McIntyre
You know, I really appreciate you saying that because it's. I'm sorry. Tired of this I hear from people, oh, well, it's not a big deal. And you guys are making all these threats up and you're, you know, you want conflict, you want civil war, you want. It's like, no, man, I just, you know, you've experienced this. You know that the law is not fair. You know what the two tier system looks like. You know what it is to be an enemy of the state. And when people don't take that seriously, when they just brush it off like, oh, the next election will fix that problem. No, you need to be an adult. Like, you're in an existential political struggle.
- [97:42]
Tate Brown
Struggle.
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Oren McIntyre
So I don't know, maybe, you know, put a cup on, get out there some, some cleats, make things happen. Don't give me all these excuses to why it's okay for you to sit on the couch and sit this one out yet again. You gave away the entire country this way. Man up and stop lying to yourself.
- [97:57]
Adam Johnson
I consider them cowards who would watch their family be executed.
- [97:59]
Oren McIntyre
Yeah.
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Adam Johnson
Because they want to keep their convictions.
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Oren McIntyre
It really. It really is absolutely insane. And I don't have time for it anymore. And I'm so tired of these people pretending that that somehow makes you. You authoritarian or fascist or whatever. I don't know, man. Is the authoritarian the one who's not dead? Is he not the one whose blood is not like, dripping off the wall? Okay, well, then I guess I'm that guy.
- [98:17]
Phil Labonte
Yeah.
- [98:17]
Oren McIntyre
But, you know, moving on, what else you got?
- [98:19]
Adam Johnson
Right?
- [98:20]
Oren McIntyre
Like I do. You have to know where you are. That's all there is to it.
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Ian Crossland
I'm trying to walk this line between. Because, like, I voted for Trump because I wasn't going to vote for the imperialist suggested candidate without any election, you know, Kamala Harris. I'm not voting for that system.
- [98:32]
Phil Labonte
True.
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Ian Crossland
I didn't vote. I voted. I knew Trump's agenda was to do deportations, but that doesn't mean I was giving him a blank check to do whatever you want to those people. I wasn't like that. I'm like, I want to see what you're going to do. And if you, if you step out of what I think is the line, I'm going to say something about it. But to your point, Orin, about am I, am I going too authoritarian? Because I, I stuff, I want to say. But then I'm like, I feel like as part of a media apparatus, I have a, an obligation to de, escalate at every turn. I don't know how you guys feel about that. If you, if you aim at that.
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Adam Johnson
I'm not accelerating things. I'm showing up to a fire. I mean, that's, that's how I consider it. I'm not throwing accelerant. Things are already on fire.
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Oren McIntyre
I don't think that what people call accelerationism is a good political strategy. You know, there's confusion between that, like actual philosophical understandings of technological accelerations. But what people mean by, we'll just make things worse and we'll just, you know, stoke the rhetoric until, like, the real moment comes. Like I said, we don't need to do that. Nobody needs to be an accelerationist guy. You're there, like you, the things are already on fire. The fire is already lit. Nobody needs to push us towards that moment. The problem is that people are standing in the middle of fire and saying, this is fine. Right. They're just doing the mean. Like, that's the problem is I, I, I'm not here to tell anyone to make things worse. I'm just asking people to realize where they are and act like an adult instead of hiding their head in the sand.
- [99:51]
Adam Johnson
And when I look back, you know, maybe 10 years now, let's say we actually do win. We actually will power like we should if we want to win this, look back and say, yeah, we probably could have done things a little bit differently. Yes. But I'll be alive to say that. Yeah. Not in prison. So, yeah, I will take that route.
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Oren McIntyre
The thing about Franco is he gets to decide whether or not he went too far in getting rid of the communists, because he's still around to think about what would have happened if he hadn't gotten rid of the communists, I.
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Ian Crossland
Think about, like, winning. Because you said winning. I don't even know. What would that look like to you? First is my question, and then I'll tell you what I was thinking.
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Adam Johnson
Oh, God.
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Phil Labonte
POS violations.
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Adam Johnson
I could say whatever I want on Twitter. We'll start there. No, I think. I think strong family values bring back morals, bring back good economy, good trade deals, secure borders. I think I love open carry. More guns for people.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, I do think that. That, you know, a significant number, and I'm talking in the tens of millions of people deported. It would look something like victory.
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Ian Crossland
I'm like, if I win, what am I winning? What am I sitting on the top of a heap of rubble that I just. That I created? I don't want to be that sorry.
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Adam Johnson
All of those things will stem down from deportations. Right. If you want to talk about having, you know, good gun laws in the country, I don't want to arm my enemy, and maybe that's unconstitutional, and I get a lot of crap for that, but I don't want to give my enemy a gun. I don't want to get my enemy a gun. He'll shoot me with it. I've seen him.
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Ian Crossland
Nice suit, by the way.
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Phil Labonte
I mean, again, I'm saying if you deport people, you see now that. That prices for housing are going down in places across the country because there are fewer people competing for those resources. Everything in. Basically everything in the United States is a finite resource. There is scarcity. And so the more people that you have competing to buy things, the higher prices go. The more people you have competing to occupy space, the higher prices go. Part of the reason why health care is so expensive is because. Because there are more people that are trying to get the health care from the hospitals. You wait longer in the emergency room. There are people that need services that can't get it because there are more people here trying to traffic them.
- [101:58]
Ian Crossland
For instance, there's another one.
- [101:59]
Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Oren McIntyre
All right, guys, let's hit up a few more of these super chats before we get out of here. We've got Thespia saying, as per Tim Cass tradition, I'm in the hospital welcoming baby three. That's getting more consistent conservatives. To the future of 51st state. Amen and congratulations.
- [102:16]
Adam Johnson
Congratulations.
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Oren McIntyre
Well done. Continue.
- [102:18]
Tate Brown
Get to work now.
- [102:20]
Oren McIntyre
You got to get number four in there. It's all very, you know, very exhausting.
- [102:23]
Tate Brown
But, little dude, we got a lot.
- [102:25]
Oren McIntyre
Of work to do.
- [102:26]
Tate Brown
As soon as you can start walking or talking or something. Like I said, I tell every baby this that's watching the show get on Twitter, just start letting some tweets fly.
- [102:34]
Ian Crossland
Voice text.
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Tate Brown
So yeah, voice text. Get some stats, some kids.
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Adam Johnson
Two years of prime stats. What was that? Kids. Two years apart is the best way to do it. God is good. What happens is he makes you forget about not sleeping for six months. And then they're walking around, they say things like, I love you. And it's like, I should do that again. I should just. It was all worth it.
- [102:52]
Phil Labonte
I was up at 3:30 this morning.
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Oren McIntyre
All right. A chat from Trevor saying, as per Tim Crafts tradition, my second son Levi was just born this morning. And all the listeners again, man, congratulations and absolutely well done.
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Tate Brown
Same, same piece of advice. Just get, get grinding, dude. I don't know. You don't have to walk, honestly. I think you can sign up for Twitter with Neural Net.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, you can, you can start his Twitter account now. You know his name?
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah.
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Tate Brown
You can tell like what he means with each babbling.
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Oren McIntyre
Make the, make that like baby's first investment and start the Twitter account. You can start that. Elon money. Yeah, you just put it directly into the college fund.
- [103:30]
Tate Brown
You can reply to people. Like, someone just throws up like a banger.
- [103:35]
Oren McIntyre
I think we need a patriot fund to replace any given college fund. And that just, they just immediately learn to be gigachads and everything. Like that's Pete on.
- [103:43]
Adam Johnson
And he tried to feed me carrots.
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Tate Brown
Yeah, let's go. I would retweet that.
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Oren McIntyre
That'd be great. J. Hamblin says, should they release body cam footage each week under the reason of. Reason of transparency. So the normies get a taste of what ICE goes through on a daily basis. Not just, just when they're being scrutinized. So I'll say this, I have heard, I cannot confirm, but I've heard there might be an ICE version of Cops in production somewhere. So we might get that regular body cam footage, you know, some of the best of the best out there. I think that would be very entertaining. Yes, we get transparency. But more important, just like a bunch of meth heads in Florida, we get to laugh at them being arrested. And that's really what it's all about in the United States now.
- [104:23]
Tate Brown
We need like a, like a Sports Center Top 10, like a rest of the week week. That would be sick. So like someone really pulls off like an insane tackle. You have like John Madden doing circles on it.
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Oren McIntyre
Look at his form right here. He goes. I want him diagramming ice arrest. Yeah, look, he takes him out at the knees. That's A beautiful double leg. He follows through. Look at that zip tie right around the arms. There's no break there. He doesn't hesitate. This guy knows how to execute. That's why he's been the MVP for ICE for three months running. Yeah, like, that's what I'm looking for. Ice hall of Fames. I want the whole thing that's like.
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Phil Labonte
Someone will make that shooting.
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Tate Brown
They're going to the box and they're looking in there. They're, like, looking. The wheels are moving. The wheels are moving. This is going to be close to calling the field is a clean shoot, so I think that's going to stand, but it looks like a tough one here. You see the wheels spinning.
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Oren McIntyre
She's been.
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Tate Brown
Can we get that? Can someone work?
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, there's a guy that does that with. With crime, like taking out criminals. Do you.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah, but it's got to be like a.
- [105:14]
Tate Brown
Like a high, like football.
- [105:16]
Phil Labonte
He thinks he's coming in hard.
- [105:17]
Ian Crossland
Oh, he laid him out. It's like UFC style. Would this be more.
- [105:20]
Adam Johnson
That's Steve imam, right?
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Tate Brown
Yeah.
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Oren McIntyre
15 yards. Last few, you know, it's been struggling. You know, they lost a few in the off season. Officer got run over his toes. You know, we're hoping we get him back in that crucial position. Until then, we're gonna play clean ball, though. We're gonna make sure, you know, like.
- [105:35]
Tate Brown
That'S Greg Bovino's out of Minnesota coaching carousel.
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Adam Johnson
This one lost a fingertip. He's have to learn how to shoot left handed now.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah, that's it. Yeah. We got to move him to left tackle. He can't move right. Yeah, like, yeah, this is exactly for picks. All right, we've got awesome Ruffalo 1804 here. He says, can we deport the activist judges that went to block the end of the Haitian protected status to Haiti and keep the. I don't know how to pronounce that of a woman here. Pretty please. Yeah. I mean, obviously, activist judges can just head on out with the rest of them. I think that ultimately the. The Trump administration is probably going to come to that moment where they have to make a decision to break with the courts, and that will be a very difficult moment. Obviously, they want to stay within those bounds as long as possible. They need a very egregious action by a judge to make any of that in any way justifiable, and that's something that they're going to have to choose probably at some point, but I think they're going to play it inside the lines as Long as they can.
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Phil Labonte
Yep.
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Oren McIntyre
All right, let's see what else we got here. We've got Wolf saying all the solutions are TOS violations, and yet our supposed base patriots won't even risk those TOS violations, let alone actually enact said solution. Why exactly should we bother voting again?
- [106:58]
Phil Labonte
Yes, it is very smart to do things that get your YouTube channel taken off of you.
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Oren McIntyre
That's very smart. So, funny thing about the last election. Guess what? The border is closed. You have basically zero immigration happening right now. You have deportations that would never be happening under Kamala Harris. The J6ers are free. I hear some people in this room might care a little bit about the election. So I don't know, Like, I hear you. Like, I am an anti democracy guy. I think democracy is stupid. I can't wait till it goes away. But while it is still our legitimating, like, like, you know, the way that we ultimately decide who's going to be in charge of the government, at least theoretically, then we do have to care about elections. It doesn't change everything. It's not a fix all solution, but it still matters. And it's a relatively low effort way to, like, use your political power. So at the very least, get out there and vote for the guy who's going to give you deportations, a closed border, and freed political prisoners. Maybe he doesn't give you everything you want. Maybe he does some things you don't like. Maybe you go around saying those things and telling people why those are bad. But I just don't understand why you'd say no. Those things just don't matter at all.
- [108:03]
Adam Johnson
I'd ask what it is you think he's not doing yet. I mean, we did just raid Fulton County. That's very exciting to me. That is very exciting to me.
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Phil Labonte
The thing is, there are not people in shackles right now. That's really the thing. Like, they look at the situation with J6 and they're like, well, they had a bunch of people in chains right away. Why hasn't Donald Trump done that? Whereas I understand that frustration. If you just arrest people without having all of the evidence put together, especially if you're talking about RICO charges or something, some big stuff. If you just arrest people and you don't put, you know, they get found not guilty, you can't arrest them again. We have a law that says in the Constitution, it says you can't be tried for the same crime twice. So if they fail, if they arrest people and fail, they lose the opportunity. And I understand There are people like, oh, they're not gonna do anything, I get it. But just like Oren was saying, this is like things are night and day better than they were under Joe Biden. Things would be incredibly terrible if we had Kamala Harris. It would be everything that Joe Biden did on 10. So I understand people being frustrated, but there have been victories and to black pill when we've had a lot of victories, kinda seems silly to me.
- [109:19]
Adam Johnson
Arresting these people is a lot more difficult than arresting a couple of, you know, just regular nine to fivers too. I mean it's going to take a lot more court pressure. It's going to take a lot better investigation. Like again, like when you, when you arrest these 1600 people, most of them don't have the hundred thousand dollars to buy an attorney to help them fight charges. They'll just take whatever plea deal they get while they're rotting in prison.
- [109:37]
Phil Labonte
That was the point that I made earlier. When you go after the small fish, you get way more out of it by arresting the average Joe that isn't a wealthy guy, that isn't politically connected. Connected. It's much harder to go after people that are politically connected. Not saying they don't deserve it, not saying that I don't want to see it, but to black pill over it and say they're not going to do anything. He's terrible. It's so bad. When honestly there have been significant advances for the right. I think that's the, that's a bad.
- [110:03]
Adam Johnson
Attitude to have and I don't want the fodder either. Like I don't want the low hanging fruit as well either. Right? Because they can just say, oh we did, we did arrest people in connection to January 6th in connection to the election. I don't want that. That's not a way to me, I'd rather be patient and wait.
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Oren McIntyre
Kidor is here, says, Orin, I have a question for you. I go to church and I like Christian, I like Christians, but I'm not a man of faith. Why do you have faith? I feel too angry to believe. Well, let me tell you this man, I, I'm very lucky. I grew up in the church. My parents were, had us there every time the door was open. The faith is the faith of my fathers. I've believed since I was young and I can't imagine anything else. The world has always been enchanted for me in a way that I know it isn't for a lot of people in modernity. And that's not something I did or I achieved. That's just a blessing that God gave me. That said, if you're wondering how can you believe, you know, C.S. lewis was a brilliant man who ran from God for a very long time. And it wasn't until J.R. tolkien and several other very intelligent guys at Oxford came together and told him about how important was that he pursued a relationship with Christ, that he believed in Christianity, that he ultimately found that it wasn't just the idea of some kind of, you know, academic problem, that actually those solutions came very quickly. It was ultimately his resistance to faith, his wanting to fight against God, that was keeping him apart. And I just think that if, you know, Tolkien and C.S. lewis ultimately can believe in God, you can too. They're pretty smart guys. So it's. It's both an intellectual journey and a philosophical journey, but most importantly, it is a journey of real faith. It sounds like you're in a church.
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Phil Labonte
Church.
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Oren McIntyre
It sounds like you want to learn and you want to believe. Those are the first steps, man. You. You know, you. You walk and then you run. You ask God for. You know, that faith. And eventually I believe it will be delivered to you. You have to knock, but the door gets open. So I think you're doing a great job. Keep doing what you're doing.
- [111:53]
Adam Johnson
God will continue to chase you no matter. No matter where you are.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah.
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Adam Johnson
If you're looking for him, he will find you. He's been looking for you. I can tell you, only through my stuff. I was a pastor for a couple years, and not a single church reached out to me in my family in our very difficult time. And, you know who didn't abandon me was God. Through all of my process, I had God. I had my faith, and that was enough. So, you know, if you're. If you're looking for him, he will find you if you want. If you want to be found. And he will never let you go. So keep looking.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, man.
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Ian Crossland
I'm not a Christian. I don't adhere to Earth religions. But God seems to be real. I don't know what it is, but it's like the spiraling vortex at the center of every proton and galaxy and universe. Like, it's this fractal re, you know, resonation, reverberation, refractation, whatever. It's this repetitive cycle that's reversing entropy, as far as I can tell. I don't know. Seems to be real.
- [112:39]
Tate Brown
I'm just a Presbyterian.
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Oren McIntyre
We just call him Jesus.
- [112:42]
Ian Crossland
Jesus Sign.
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Tate Brown
I grew up Southern Baptist. It's kind of the same thing.
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Oren McIntyre
Delaware Huskier here says. Thanks, Ian. Language. Electric cars are not electric. The batteries are only a fuel tank. They are coal and gas powered cars.
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Phil Labonte
That depends on where you are.
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Ian Crossland
Well, you have a Tesla. Is that what you're talking about?
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Phil Labonte
He said electric cars are not electric. Most of the electricity in the United States is generated by coal or whatever. But there are places that have nuclear. And if you have solar panels on your house and a battery in your house, or actually just solar panels on your house and you plug your car in, then that'll be getting it directly from the sun.
- [113:21]
Ian Crossland
Most excited for when they can make graphene bodies that are solar panels and the car itself will, will charge fast enough to power it. That should be within the next 10 years.
- [113:32]
Phil Labonte
Should be?
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Ian Crossland
I don't know. I don't know. I've just made that up. I'm an optimist.
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Oren McIntyre
Could be 50 years.
- [113:42]
Ian Crossland
Graphene movie. Check it out.
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Phil Labonte
I love it. Source. I just made it up.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah. Handyman here says tax incentives in Hungary. Let's see. Tax incentive is what Hungary did to increase birth rates. Yeah. And there's mixed results on that. Some show that you see a bump, but it doesn't create long term, you know, benefits. I think that we should economically orient ourselves to having families and having children. We should stop treating Americans as, you know, the individual being the most important unit. Instead, recognize that families are what create the future of the country and we should make our investments there.
- [114:18]
Tate Brown
There.
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Oren McIntyre
That said, all the tax code fixes, all the financial fixes, they're great. But nothing replaces a people who sees a future for themselves, who understands themselves as a collective entity working towards something. They want to see themselves reflected in the future. That's what ultimately gets people to have children. Oswald Spangler said that once a civilization has to ask the question, should we have children? Civilization's basically open because once children stop being a natural rhythm, a natural outcome, the telos of your civilization, it starts to find reasons not to have them and ultimately dies off. So I agree with you that the tax incentives are a good move, but they're not a final way to fix this issue. They're ultimately something that is only stepping stone to understanding that you should be working to further your nation and your understanding of the future as a people who want to see their way of life continue. Continue.
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Tate Brown
Yeah. And I mean, Hungary might have been an out, like an exception because, I mean, South Korea, Japan have been trying similar strategies and their birth rates are continuing to. Continuing to decline.
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Oren McIntyre
Netherlands also did this.
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Tate Brown
The Netherlands. So it's like, yeah, To Oron's point, I mean, it's a civilizational question. And also like, what exactly caused the birth rate to decline in the first place? Those are tougher conversations to have because they revolve around things like feminism and these are things.
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Oren McIntyre
Yeah, right.
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Tate Brown
So it's again, it's just you're kind of of putting a band aid on a bullhole. Like it's still worth it. I mean, it's still absolutely worth like reorienting again government incentive structures to. For procreation. But at the end of the day, like, these are going to be more philosophical questions that need to be answered. How do, how should women sort of fit into society and these sorts of things?
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Phil Labonte
Convincing women that the ultimate form of woman is to emulate a man has been a disaster for western society.
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Tate Brown
Yeah. Literally. Women are watching Monday Night Football now. Now. Yeah, like that. It's crazy. They're drinking beer.
- [116:06]
Adam Johnson
They've got high waisted jeans.
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Tate Brown
I know.
- [116:08]
Adam Johnson
Gone too far.
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Tate Brown
What's going on?
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, dude.
- [116:10]
Tate Brown
I saw a woman talk about NASCAR the other day. I know. We're circling the drain.
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Adam Johnson
She was sitting in her Subaru.
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Oren McIntyre
Wolf 374171 says Trump was too boomer to lock her up last time. I doubt he'll do it this time either. Wake me up when something happens. Well, we did see them arrest Don Lemon and several other people who entered a church. Church. We are seeing that they're trying to crack down on this more. You're right. I think ultimately they should go after more high profile corrupt elites. But as we pointed out earlier, I just don't think Hillary Clinton is worth it at this point. Does she deserve it? Absolutely. But it's again, a question of political capital, as I think many different gentlemen on this panel pointed out, simultaneously backing somebody like Tim Walls, but I think send a far stronger message. Someone who's in the zeitgeist, who's obviously guilty of being involved, very likely allegedly, in. In, you know, fraud and all of these things facilitating that behavior. I think that ultimately that's what we should be aiming for. I get the frustration, but the Trump administration is taking action. We encourage them to take more action. Just sitting there and go, nothing other happens. I think that's just a way to black pill. I think that's a way to try to be right all the time instead of invest in things that should actually be happening.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, perma bears are right once in a while, but they're just still just perma bears. Right. You know, if you're constantly saying that the sky is falling. Then eventually, you know, when, when something bad happens, you can just be like, oh, see, I was right. I was right. And you never have to deal with the fact that you're wrong all the time until you're right.
- [117:43]
Oren McIntyre
You know, guys, have you ever realized that you spent all your time learning how to take off in the plane, but you never discussed how to land it? Well, we're going to end up here. It's great to have everybody been fantastic. I am Oren McIntyre hosting, of course. Today as Tim is out, I've got my show, the Orin McIntyre show on Blaze TV. It's on Rumble. It's on YouTube, it's on all your favorite podcast platforms. So if you enjoyed the show today, I really encourage you to check us out over at Blaze TV or on podcasts as well. Gentlemen, where should they look for you?
- [118:17]
Adam Johnson
You can get my book@unlicensed furniture.com and you can support my campaign at vote adamjohnson.com thanks for coming, man.
- [118:25]
Ian Crossland
People follow you on Twitter too. Is it Lectern Leader?
- [118:27]
Adam Johnson
It is. Lecternleader on Twitter, yes.
- [118:29]
Ian Crossland
I'm at Ian Crossland. Follow me on Twitter, YouTube, Instagram. Go to Graphene Movie and check out this new documentary I'm working on. The trailer is up now. Sign up for the mailing list at Graphene Movie. Follow me all over the Internet at Ian Crossland and Tate Brown. Take it away.
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Tate Brown
What is going on, guys? Yeah. Thank you very much for watching, guys. Oran, you did a fantastic job.
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Oren McIntyre
Thank you, sir.
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Tate Brown
Excellently. Don, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Realtate. Brown and I will see you guys at noon Eastern on the Tim Cast Channel on Rumble for the noon live. I'll see you there. It'll be a great time.
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Phil Labonte
I am Phil that Remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. We're going on tour this spring. We're going out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes. You can check out the shows we're starting in Albany on April 29th. We'll be out for about three and a half weeks or so. You can check us, you can get tickets at all that remainsonline.com youm can check out the music at Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
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Oren McIntyre
And I will definitely be going to Phil's tour here soon. Excellent. And of course, guys, you should be following, you know the channel here. Make sure you're subscribing. Do the needful for all of the Tim cast crew. But if you want to stick around and follow us on Rumble, you'll be able to call in to the after show show live. So make sure you do that. Thanks for watching, everybody.