THIS CROSSES THE LINE w/ Savannah Craven

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL - "THIS CROSSES THE LINE" w/ Savannah Craven

Date: January 30, 2026
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Savannah Craven, Ian Crossland, Phil (All That Remains), Lisa Elizabeth

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Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL takes on the unsettling escalation of political violence and governmental breakdown—what the panel repeatedly refers to as "the Fort Sumter moment" or America's possible drift toward civil war. With commentator Savannah Craven as the featured guest, the discussion dives deep into violent clashes in Minnesota over ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), the radicalization of protest movements, the role of media and public officials in fueling unrest, and the broader existential questions about the future of American governance.

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Main Discussion Points & Key Insights

1. Is This America's Fort Sumter Moment?

• [04:01] Tim Pool cites Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz’s warning about the potential for a “Fort Sumter moment,” referencing the 1861 spark of the Civil War.
• Discussion centers on organized left-wing resistance to federal immigration enforcement, including alleged involvement by Minnesota state officials using encrypted chats (Signal) to organize obstruction.
• Tim argues: “If it is a Fort Sumter moment… it is the Democrat establishment that's to blame.”
• Savannah: “I don't know why Tim Walz is acting like he's so surprised, because… he's responsible.” [05:56]

2. Radicalization, Propaganda, and Media Narratives

• Not only local politics, but also media and celebrities are blamed for escalating tension.
• [21:45] Lisa lists instances of actors and officials calling for revolution or even mass executions, e.g., Molly Ringwald allegedly referencing post-WWII executions of “collaborators.”
• Ian: “The terrifying thing… is that we're looking at a leftist space… being radicalized. They're being told that ICE are Nazis, they're Gestapo, they're kidnapping children. When none of this is true. It’s all exaggerated and it's resulting in panic.” [16:54]
• Viral videos (e.g., nurse Alex Preddy at violent protests) are discussed as both propaganda tools and as points where narratives get manipulated (accusations of “AI video” fakery).

3. Escalation: Who Wants Violence, and Why?

• Lisa: "They want the most chaos possible. I really think that... they're looking to get people hurt." [07:38]
• The consensus among the panel is that leaders and media on the left are tacitly encouraging violence for political propaganda and chaos.
• Tim: "The more that they can use these people to turn the normal people against the administration, the better they like it." [08:24]

4. Personal Responsibility and the Wisdom of Protest

• Savannah: “I'm not showing up and messing with an ICE officer. Even if I think they are doing something incorrect.” [09:46]
• Pushback against narratives presenting protesters as innocent victims.
• Ian: "He knew full well these agents are on edge… And on more than one occasion, he showed up armed to commit felonies. And I think he knew the circumstances he was creating." [24:27]

5. Changing Definitions: Racism, Propaganda, and Language

• Discussion critiques the evolution and overuse of terms like “racist,” “Nazi,” and “fascist.”
• Lisa: “They change the terminology… Like, when people say to me ‘oh, you’re racist’, I’m like, yep… I just want to be whatever they hate because I hate them.” [12:02]
• Savannah: “If everything is racist, then nothing is racist.” [12:47]

6. Solutions and the “Off Ramp”: How Does This End?

• The panel debates whether there is any peaceful “off ramp.”
• Tim, Ian, and Phil consider and reject half-measures (like sending in limited federal agents), debating the merits/risks of outright federal intervention via the Insurrection Act versus political theater (e.g., Trump visiting a city to calm tensions).
• Ian suggests: “It’s the half measures that are inching us towards catastrophe... Trump needs to stand down or suit up. You can't do half measures.” [35:50]
• Lisa: “All that does is say, oh, whenever you throw a violent temper tantrum, you get your way… You can't give them a win at all.” [40:21]

7. Historical Analogies & Civil War Semantics

• [48:01] Extended discussion on how Americans misunderstand civil war, revolution, and historical analogies.
• Tim & Ian explain that, historically, civil wars and revolutionary periods are rarely recognized in real time; most people don’t realize they’re “in it” until hindsight.
• “The problem is they're not calculating. It was 70 yesterday, it's 100 now... How do you shock these people and wake them up?” – Ian [34:19]
• Lisa: “Maybe we just need a new term—‘War on American soil between its own constituents’ instead of a civil war.” [50:28]

8. Isolation, Secession, and Bizarre Solution Jokes

• Suggestions and jokes to "box in Minnesota" à la Australia, partition the country, or “plug liberals into the Matrix.”
• Ian: “Put all the liberals in there and we agree our tax… to make that happen.” [61:24]
• Savannah: “Yeah. Unlimited COVID shots, unlimited abortions. They’d love it.” [62:59]

9. Dictatorship, Monarchy, and the American Future

• Spirited (often tongue-in-cheek) debate over whether a ‘benevolent dictator’ is ideal in chaos, or whether the danger of centralized power always outweighs the benefits.
• Tim: “A benevolent king is the best… The worst is a tyrannical king.” [89:45]
• Phil: “Too much power to put into one guy’s hands… I don’t want to set the precedent.” [87:32]
• Some panelists flirt with the idea that “maybe Trump should just be dictator” to restore order, while others balk at the concept.

10. Media’s Role and Responsibility

• The media are portrayed as not simply complicit but as a main driver in rhetorical escalation, narrative distortion, and dehumanization.
• “The media is part of the problem because they are part of… the Democrat establishment.” – Tim [22:22]
• Lisa: “We’re always the ones de-escalating and we’re always the ones losing.” [74:15]

11. Election Legitimacy and Where We Go from Here

• Conversation finishes with questions about what would happen if Trump intervened in the 2026/28 elections, or if further evidence arises of massive fraud (“What is the remedy?”).
• Ian: “No, I think you just know it’s federal management over the elections and an overhaul of the electoral system.” [80:03]
• Discussion makes clear that nobody feels a straightforward fix is possible; deterrence through jail time for corruption is emphasized.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If everything is racist, then nothing is racist.”
  — Savannah Craven, [12:47]

• “You need to shock people and make them back away… Trump needs to stand down or suit up. You can’t do half measures.”
  — Ian Crossland, [35:50]

• “They want pure chaos. And he wants it to be the Fort Sumter time.”
  — Lisa Elizabeth, [08:19]

• “It's not some grassroots thing. This is… organized by the establishment left.”
  — Tim Pool, [06:25]

• “Permission... people in positions of authority saying that kind of stuff give permission to people that are not in positions of authority.”
  — Tim Pool, [32:01]

• “If Trump shows up, there’s nothing to fundraise off of.”
  — Ian Crossland, [41:14]

• “The monopolies on force—when there’s two, it’s called civil war.”
  — Ian Crossland, [104:21]

• “If you have an armed populace that can revolt and go after the king, then the king is… incentivized to be good.”
  — Tim Pool, [90:20]

• “The live and let live model will always be crushed. Those who want to be left alone, up against those who want to conquer, always lose.”
  — Ian Crossland, [109:34]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Civil War/Fort Sumter moment: [04:01] – [07:23]
• Media Responsibility & Propaganda: [16:54], [21:45], [22:22]
• Radicalization and Protester Violence: [08:24], [09:46], [24:27]
• Racism and Left’s Changing Definitions: [11:17], [12:02], [12:47]
• Federal Solutions/Insurrection Act Debate: [35:50], [39:44], [41:12]
• History & Civil War Semantics: [48:01], [50:28]
• "Matrix" & Partition Jokes: [61:24], [62:59]
• Monarchy/Dictatorship Discussion: [87:03], [89:45]
• Election Legitimacy & Deterrence: [80:03], [83:06]
• Power & State Monopoly of Force: [103:33], [104:21], [109:34]

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Tone and Language

The tone throughout is conversational but often heated, blending gallows humor, deep cynicism about the future, and frank, sometimes hyperbolic language. The show maintains an “uncensored,” anti-mainstream media tenor and often spirals into speculative or philosophical territory while keeping a pointed focus on contemporary American politics and the dangers of unchecked escalation.

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Usefulness for First-Time Listeners

This summary captures the episode’s major arguments, historic context, and most memorable (and, at times, outlandish) suggestions. The panel oscillates between alarm about potential civil conflict, sharp criticism of the left’s escalation tactics, and sometimes entertaining thought experiments about how to resolve the crisis—highlighting the immense difficulty of “de-escalating” in a hyper-polarized age.
If you missed the episode, this summary gives you both the substance and the flavor.

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Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

You know, Tim's been saying it for a long time that we're on the road to civil war and it seems like people are starting to agree. And I'm not talking about just anyone mainstream people like Tim Walls. You've got. Who is it? Ray Dalio is talking about it. Minnesota has really got people all worked up. There was an attempt from a guy from Minnesota to break Luigi Mangione out of jail. Going to talk about that. He's like a 36 year old crazy guy. And air marshals have been staking ice agents for or air marshals were mistaken for ice agents and they're chased out of an LA county restaurant. So we're going to talk about all that stuff but first we want you to go and buy some coffee. Cast brew.com you can buy all of our wonderful coffee. You can get the the two weeks till Christmas you can get Josie's 1776 signature brew, Ian's Graphene Dream is still one of the top sellers. Appalachian Nights is one of the top sellers. You can go there and get that. We got K cups, we got all the stuff you need to keep yourself caffeinated. And even if you don't want to be caffeinated, you can go pick up some of that sleepy joe get you right. You can have a coffee right before you go to bed. You have no problem. So head on over to Caspre.com and then head on over to Timcast.com and become a member there. When you become a member At Tim Cast, you get access to our Discord server. That means you can watch the after show and talk about the talk with the people that are on the show. You can ask questions, you can meet a bunch of people that are like minded. There's a bunch of people that have made, made families. You got boyfriends and girlfriends. People have had kids. That's the truth, actually. So yeah, head on over to timcast.com join our discord. Head on over to rumble.com, become a member there so you can watch the after show and right now going to go, we have so yeah, smash the like button. Share the show with all your friends. Tell everyone you know joining us to talk about all these things tonight. I'm sorry, I didn't get your name over here.

[Savannah Craven]

Savannah Craven.

[Tim Pool]

Savannah Craven. Tell everyone who you are.

[Savannah Craven]

Sure. Well, I'm really happy to be here, so thank you so much for having me. My name is Savannah and I am the face of her patriot voice on YouTube where I go out and interview lots of liberals and expose their hypocrisy and try not to get assaulted.

[Tim Pool]

That's, that's probably a good idea.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

You did get assaulted.

[Tim Pool]

You did get assaulted. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that.

[Savannah Craven]

Very viral.

[Tim Pool]

Ian's here.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, everybody.

[Phil]

I was just gonna compliment you on how good you are not getting assaulted, but I'll wait until after I, I hear the facts.

[Ian Crossland]

Happy to be here at Ian Crossland.

[Phil]

You're gonna find me over the Internet. Check out graphene movie. If you haven't been over there yet, sign up for the bailist because I got a graphene documentary coming out. But we also got Lisa.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Hey, guys. Hope you're not sick of me yet. I'm back. I'm Lisa. If you don't know who I am, you can find me on Twitter X and Lisa Elizabeth. And I am the Tim Kiss booker. And I'll see you guys tomorrow morning.

[Ian Crossland]

For the culture war.

[Tim Pool]

You'll see her a lot more tonight too. She's gonna be talking.

[Ian Crossland]

From the Post.

[Tim Pool]

Millennial Tim Walls warns Minnesota could be a Fort Sumter moment after his policies caused chaos in the state. In an interview with the Atlantic, Minnesota Governor Tim Walls warned that the rising tension in the state between ice, anti ICE agitators and federal immigration enforcement agents could be a force Fort Sumter moment for the country. I mean, is this a Fort Sumter? He questioned, adding, it's a physical assault. It's an armed force that's assaulting. That's killing my constituents, my citizens. The Atlantic noted of Walt's Fort Sumter comment. He let his question about Fort Sumter hang without an answer. Fort Sumter, which lies in the middle of South Carolina's Charleston harbor, was the site of an April attack in 1861 that marked the official beginning of the Civil War. Waltz also brought up abolitionist, abolitionist John Brown during his interview with the Atlantic, with the figure rising to fame after stor a federal arsenal in Harper's Ferry, West Virginia, in 1859. Guns pointed America at American. It's certainly not where we want to go, said Waltz. I mean, this is something that Tim's been talking about for a long time. I mean, we've got the phrase, you know, you know, where's the off ramp? Like, how do you defuse this? And when you have the state government clearly inciting their, their population, there's a possibility that they're involved because of the signal chat stuff. If it's not, you know, if it doesn't go up to Tim Waltz himself, there are people in the state government that were involved in that signal chat helping to organize what amounts to an insurrection. It's not just a protest or just protesters. They're there specifically to inhibit ICE activities. They're there to in specifically prevent ICE from carrying out their, their duties that are, you know, by. That are. By the. By the book that are legally, you know, that's what they're, they're. They're supposed to be doing. So if it is a Fort Sumter moment or if it is a situation like that, it is the, the Democrat, basically the Democrat establishment that's to blame.

[Savannah Craven]

Oh, absolutely. I mean, I don't know why Tim Walls is acting like he's so surprised, because like you said, he's the one who's been inciting this violence. This is his state. He's responsible. And why don't we just mention that this all happened after all of this fraud was exposed by an independent journalist, Nick Shirley. And what did they want to blame it on? Racism? You guys hate Somalians? You hate black and brown people? No. Instead of focusing on the real problem, they just want to blame everyone else. But Tim Walls knew about this fraud. I believe that.

[Tim Pool]

So to your point, I, like, I do think that it's convenient for Walls and for other politicians in Minnesota, but the fact that there's that. That signal chat, that's really, I think that really kind of shines a light on the way the Democratic Party as a whole acts and, or actually probably more broadly the left. There's people that are Canadian that are Implicated in this, in the Canadian government. Implicated in being involved or donating or trying to. Yeah, I forget who brought who, who, who broke the story, but it's not just, you know, it's not homegrown. It's not just people, you know, grassroots people on the street. It's organized by the establishment left. And it's something that, you know, Tim has been going on about how the right doesn't have, you know, an analog for that. And I mean, whether or not that's actually the case, it's not like you can't deny that the left is organized against the federal government.

[Savannah Craven]

Right. And if Tim Walls really cared about the people of Minnesota, his people, he would say, listen, although I don't agree with ice, you need to stay home. Do not interact with ICE officers. Do not try to interrupt them because you will lose your life.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

They want them to lose their lives. Well, I think they, I think they really do. I think that they say these things and they get them to go out there, they want them to lose their lives so that they have something to be more enraged about, so that they can create more chaos. Like that's what they want. They want the most chaos possible. I really think that, like I was reading their manual, they asked them, like I said this the other night, they asked them to bring leaf blowers so they could redirect like the tear gas and stuff towards the cops. They said you get extra bonus points for that. They're looking to get people hurt.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean by extra bonus points?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

That's what.

[Phil]

I don't know.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

That's what this, that's literally what said. It said protesters. Do you want me to pull.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I mean, I believe you.

[Phil]

I believe you.

[Savannah Craven]

I'm just.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just wondering what they, what they actually means.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

Bonus points.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Like they, this is what they want. They want pure chaos. And he wants it to be the Fort Sumter time.

[Tim Pool]

Did any of you guys see the ex post where there was a. Someone was handing out pre made signs to protesters and stuff? So, I mean, in New York all the time. So this is. Again, this isn't some kind of grassroots thing. This is. This is. It is. It is organized. They're extremely efficient at, at raising money. They're extremely efficient at riling up their base, riling up the people that are. Honestly, they're. They're people with not a lot to lose. Generally. Not. Not everyone, of course, because, you know, pretty. The guy that, that was shot by the cops just the other day, like you know, he had, he had a life. He had, he didn't have, I don't think he had a wife and kids, but he had a life. He was a nurse. You know, it was, it was a legitimate kind of life. It wasn't like some kind of vagrant or just a, a person that was consistently in and out of, out of jail or whatever. But that's the shock troops, really. The people that don't have a lot to lose. They don't have families, they don't have real jobs. It's, you know, they tend to be just kind of part time or short term jobs or what have you, or they're, they're just activists. And to Lisa's point, these people are just cannon fodder because the more of them that get hurt, the more videos that they, the left can use as propaganda, you know, which is, it's straight up agit prop. The more, the more that they can use these people to turn the normal people against the administration, the better they like it.

[Savannah Craven]

Yeah, it's taking away from the real problem and they're deflecting, they're, you know, covering up the real problems that the Democrats are causing in our country. And unfortunately, this past week I have seen, especially after the Alex Party situation, many conservatives falling for this anti ICE propaganda. And while of course I do, I am very sad that, you know, Nicole, Renee Goode had, or Renee, Nicole Good had to die and so did Alex Preddy. I mean, don't act like, oh, it could have been any of us. Could have. Never been me. Yeah, never been y'. All. I'm not showing up and messing with an ICE officer.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Savannah Craven]

Even if I think they are doing something incorrect.

[Tim Pool]

But to that point, that, that is what they want. The left wants people to think, they want people to think that these were just innocent people walking through the streets doing their normally normal daily ro. ICE decided that they were going to attack them and, and, you know, beat them down or what have you. And, and that's just not the case. Like people say it all the time on X. They're like, oh, you know, it could have been you. And it could have been. And to your point, no, it couldn't have been me because I, I, I wouldn't go to an ICE protest at all.

[Savannah Craven]

Yeah, I had a protester tell me last week, this was out on Long Island. They were having this Handmaid's Tale protest. And this woman told me that she believes that Renee Good was killed because she was white.

[Tim Pool]

That's, yeah, that's, that's Pretty standard.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

No, I didn't. Wasn't everybody saying, like, oh, like, the black people were going around going, like, look, white people. Now it's happening to you too.

[Ian Crossland]

See?

[Savannah Craven]

And like, what they said that say her name was only for black women? Yeah. It's like, oh, yeah, okay, so y' all are just racist. Got it.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, look, the idea of racism is evolving significantly. Ten years ago, there was there. Well, more than 10 years ago now, probably 15 years ago, it became very in vogue to say, oh, racism is not. Not about color. It's. It's power plus privilege. And. And that has. That made its way through kind of society on the left. And now there's a lot of people that are just like, well, I don't care what you call me, because if you. It's just a means to shut me up or a means to try to. To delegitimize what I'm saying. And I think that, you know, for better or for worse, that's the condition that. That it's gonna. That's the situation in our society moving forward.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

They change the terminology, though. Like, when people say to me, like, oh, you're racist. I'm like, yep, yep.

[Phil]

I.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I'm like, I'm absolutely not. But like. But I. I, like, want to lean into it just to be like, screw you. Like, I really get that feeling. Like, yeah, like I said the other night, like, they're like, oh, Nazi or whatever. Like, I'm not. I'm not absolutely. My best friend's like, a Jewish person. Like, I'm not a Nazi, but, like, it makes me want to Roman salute. Like, it angers me that much. I'm not saying that, like, I just want to lean. I just want to be whatever they hate because I hate them.

[Phil]

That's the plan for the radical agenda. They want you to become the villain they're telling you.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

So, fine, I'll be it. No problem.

[Phil]

But then they win. That's how they get a communist rev. They want the government to become the fascists that they say they are so that they can then tell the community, hey, look, we were right. Come together, let's overthrow this. And it's the same with individuals. If they can call you a Nazi enough times, you actually start hiling. Then, like, they got you.

[Savannah Craven]

Yeah, the left has caused. I think they were down to lose meaning. Like, if everything is racist, then nothing is racist. If everything is homophobic, then nothing is homophobic. It's like you. You just spew this nonsense over and over and over again. And then it's like, okay, well, if just everything's racist and, and some type of phobic, then whatever. It's like people are over it.

[Ian Crossland]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's where I'm at. That's a really, That's a really good, great point. People that are consistently told, that guy's racist, that guy's racist, and they're like, wait a minute, I, I know that guy. Or I've, I've seen that guy interacting with, with people, and he's not that. And, and when you hear that enough, you're like, well, I just can't believe when you call people racist. You know, I just, I don't believe it, that it. Your accusations no longer mean anything. It's like, it's like calling Trump a Nazi.

[Ian Crossland]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Like, it's.

[Savannah Craven]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Donald Trump is clearly not a national socialist. Right? He is. And Nazi is a very specific thing. Even if you're calling, like, if they were to just call. When, when they call people fascist, they're. Then you're like, all right, maybe you have some kind of reason to, to equate a person with a fascist, because fascism is usually nationalist and authoritarian and, and so, you know, maybe there's some kind of similarity, but Nazis, a very, very specific thing.

[Ian Crossland]

They want Trump to get that living space with the German people. Yeah, that's what it's all about, guys.

[Savannah Craven]

Whatever my iPhone tells me today.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Right?

[Savannah Craven]

Yeah, that's literally what it is.

[Tim Pool]

But the, you know, the phrase Nazi, it's, it's, it's just so watered down, and, and so people just, they hear it and it's like water off a duck's back, they don't care.

[Phil]

You know, there are real racists too. Which is the sad thing about all this conflation is that if someone really kind of ignorantly thinks that. I'm not gonna say that people are different and people are different based on, on their racial history. Yeah. Any kind of superiority based on a genetic code is like, bro, you need to teach kids early that that's not necessarily, like homo. You know, genetic homogeneity happens when, like, you cross breed, you get the strengths from different gene genomes. And if people don't know that, it gets lost in a shuffle.

[Tim Pool]

There's a kind of a tangent. That's kind of what it was like, you know, in the 90s and early aughts. Like, the idea of being a racist was so foreign to most people. You know, I'm an old guy now, and, like, when I was growing up, like, nobody cared what Your, what color your skin was and you did, like, it was not an issue. There was very rarely did you hear, hear people throw around the term racist because in the 90s and, and early aughts, people were just like, yeah, that's kind of old, that's kind of old humor stuff, you know, or like, maybe, maybe my grandfather made some kind of remarks that were like, you know, akk.

[Phil]

Yeah, that's what racism was back then.

[Tim Pool]

And so it was literally, it was largely, it was largely, you know, considered a thing of the past. You know, and then with the advent of, of the way that the left has been behaving, where they, they again changed the meaning of the phrase racist and said, oh, everybody's racist. If you're white, you're racist. And, and, and they've really tried to awaken a racial, a consciousness and they say that kind of stuff all the time. They want people to consider themselves a race and they want people to focus on that to the detriment of our society. Right. Like, it, we are not a better society if people are like, no, I'm going to make sure that I, I'm focusing on my people as opposed to focusing on the United States as a whole.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Like, if you're, if you're like, if you're like, hey, I, I think that everyone in the country deserves the same opportunities and the same rights and to be treated the same. That's generally what it used to be like. But that's not what people want nowadays because, because of the way that the left kind of.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I think there's something special, though, about like, okay, so I, I am like a mix of different things. Right. I'm Irish, English, Polish and Norwegian. Right. But my husband's Greek and me and my parents even talk about this now.

[Tim Pool]

Like, hey, we're going to jump to Tim on Jesse Waters right now. So you're actually talking.

[Ian Crossland]

Tim will be back later, by the way. Yeah, he's coming back now. It seems to be a bit better. Trump did pull back and I think Homan did state that the reason he's here is not because things have been going fairly well, but hopefully now there's going to be some negotiations where things can calm down. I think the terrifying thing about Minnesota, the situation with pretty, the situation with Renee Goode, is that we're looking at a leftist space in this country that are being radicalized. They're being told that ICE are Nazis, they're Gestapo, they're kidnapping children. When none of this is true. It's all exaggerated and it's resulting in panic. It's resulting in people like Preddy, who otherwise seemed like a good dude. I know a lot of people, they're polarized on this. They want to say either he was deranged or whatever. I mean, look, the guy was a nurse. He worked for the va. I don't think he was an evil guy, but he's radicalized. He shows up, he's spitting on cops, he's kicking their car, instigating these fights, and it results in these unfortunate circumstances I don't think anybody wanted to see happen. So it does seem like it's good that Trump is sending in Homan's, toning things down a bit. My concern is that there's a bloodlust that's not going to be satisfied when Homan comes in and Trump talks with Waltz. Protesters went to Tim Waltz's office angry that he would even negotiate. So how we get the temperature down in this country without any kind of serious escalation, I honestly don't know. Even Tim Waltz asked the question today, is this Fort Sumter? And I certainly hope it's not.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah, no, you're right. Because there's a certain faction of the left that wants the violence. Doesn't matter if it's about the Palestinians or about ice or about the no kings. They want action, and they want it in the streets, and they want to be heroes. And you're always going to have that, no matter what happens. Don't you think the media, though, has a little bit more responsibility in situations like this to calm things down? The politicians, they're running for reelection, but the press, they're just lying. It's a purposeful disinformation campaign, whether it's airbrushing these martyrs or just not even saying what these people are really doing.

[Ian Crossland]

This video went viral yesterday. That one that you showed, where Preddy is kicking the tail light out of this vehicle. And immediately these networks sprang into action claiming this was an AI video. Totally fabricated arguments. Trying to downplay that this guy actually was a violent guy. Doesn't mean he deserved anything. But I think the context here matters. And we did see some, I would say, middle of the road, people kind of walk back. They thought this was just some legal observer. Well, he was a bit of a radical, but when you look at how Ms. Now runs that airbrushed photo. Yeah, it's. It's seemingly this addiction to driving the narrative, either for ratings or ideology, and it's making people go nuts. Yeah.

[Guest/Caller]

It's like when you have some guy in a Violent situation with cops. They always put the guy's, like, middle school graduation picture on the screen from four years ago. It's just dishonest. I think we're starting to see through it because of your outlet, the Internet, Fox and everything. People aren't as brainwashed as they used to be, but some of them are, and it's. It's a real problem. Tim, good to see you.

[Ian Crossland]

Thanks for having me.

[Guest/Caller]

Nick Shirley back in Somaliland.

[Ian Crossland]

Jesse.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah. Nick.

[Ian Crossland]

Jesse.

[Phil]

Hey, Nick Shirley.

[Ian Crossland]

What's up, homie? Jesse, hit it on the head with.

[Phil]

It really is up to the media.

[Tim Pool]

To tone it down, but the media is part of the problem because they are part of the. Basically the Democrat establishment.

[Phil]

Well, we're this media. You know, we're in the media now.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, fair enough. It is to a lesser degree, you know, our responsibility to do what we can to push back. But the point that I'm making is, you know, we were talking a little bit about the signal chat and how the government of Minnesota is involved in it, or at least people in the government of Minnesota were involved in the signal chat and it. So the media is just the information arm. That's why they did things like make pretty. Or pretty look like he's a.

[Phil]

A.

[Tim Pool]

You know, he darkened his skin. They made him look a little filled out. That's why they. That's why they made Joe Rogan look like. That's why they made Joe Rogan look like he was kind of sickly when he was talking on that. You know, they're. They do what they can to kind of shape the narrative. That's their goal.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Didn't you see the guy from Breaking Bad, like, literally today calling for revolution? Right. He was literally calling for revolution. You have.

[Phil]

I hear Tim Pool behind me, a wild Tim Pool.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Oh, you gotta see this guy. The guy from Breaking Bad is literally up there. Yeah, okay, well, he's out there literally calling for a revolution. You had that Molly Ringwald, who is a ginger and hasn't been relevant in, like, God knows how long.

[Ian Crossland]

She's calling for mass execution.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, she's calling for mass execution. There was another guy, again, that was saying something. Absolutely. Oh, the D.A. larry Krasner was literally saying, we're gonna hunt down the Nazis and identify them. I mean, it's not like it's the media. It's the people who are front and center in society that are begging. They want the civil war. They want to listen to what this guy has to say.

[Phil]

A lot of times it's in addition to that the media that amplifies their message, even, like, trying to counter their narrative sometimes just putting them on TV and saying, look how bad they are is showing 30 million people the idiot. And then they go to sleep and they think about the idiot they heard earlier, and they remember what he said.

[Tim Pool]

The people in the media, in the. In the entertainment world that are making these comments, they. They're making these comments because they feel like it's acceptable, because people in the media have been making these comments and because people in Washington have been.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

And they're not going to be involved. They're going to take off on their private plane and go to Bora Bora while it's all happening, and then they're here to have, like, whatever's left over.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know if you guys played the. You did watch it.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

That's why we're talking about this.

[Ian Crossland]

So I don't know if they want me to say this, but I'm going to say it anyway because I assume if at any. At any point in the future I get, like, any kind of network deal, I won't be able to say stuff like this. But they were very much concerned about rhetorical escalation in this conflict. I'm saying this because I deeply respect what they said. When they reached out.

[Tim Pool]

They were.

[Ian Crossland]

They were. The producers were concerned that the language is getting too extreme. Not. Not anything. But I'm just trying to paraphrase here. There are people online saying, good. They're glad Pretty's dead, and. And Renee, good. And all this stuff. And they're like, we. We do not want this. And I'm like, neither do I. And so my view is very much, you know, in any normal circumstance, Preddy would just be some goofy liberal in a hospital, and you'd roll your eyes at his goofy liberal thing and that'd be the end of it. But what we're seeing with this radicalization, with statements like this, it's driving people to an extreme position where they go out getting into fights, thinking they're fighting this imaginary shadow demon, and it creates what I described as an unfortunate series. Series of events. I don't think any of those agents went out there with the intention to murder anybody or kill anybody. I don't think he went out there with the intention to murder anybody. But I'm gonna say this because I try to be light when I go on Jesse's show. That man absolutely knew what he was doing could result in his death. I don't think he deserved to die or anything like that, But I said it yesterday, I said it this morning. With the killing of Renee Good. He knew full well that these agents are on edge. They are willing to use lethal force. And on more than one occasion, he showed up, showed up armed to commit felonies. And I think he knew the circumstances he was creating. I do. So again, I try to be. I try to be light, you know, because there is a, you know, you know what Jesse asked me on the show, you guys probably heard, they said, as a media of responsibility.

[Phil]

That's what I'm talking about. That was the first thing I said when you guys rapped.

[Ian Crossland]

And that was exactly what the producers were basically saying to me is like, I don't want to put words in their mouth. But they were just. We're concerned that the language around this is pushing people to extreme ends. I'm like, agreed.

[Tim Pool]

That's just looking for you to be responsible. Like when it comes to the way that you phrase things, they're just like, look, you know, and it makes perfect sense because the left doesn't do it.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I guess my point is I would, I would say the simplest way, Fox is concerned that and good. I can't speak for Ms. Now or any of these other outlets because I don't know. But Fox is genuinely concerned that the rhetoric is pushing people to extreme ends, even on the right. And I agree with. And look, it's permission. I said this this morning that they're all of the prominent conservative personalities. People on the right have. None of them have celebrated Renee Goode's death or said she deserved it or anything like that, or pretty. They've been very critical of the actions these people chose to take. They've simultaneously criticized the left for celebrating death of Charlie Kirk, but at the same time, prominent liberal personalities also denounced the death of Charlie Kirk to a great degree, not completely. But the issue is it's the run of the mill left. And I always argue it's a tendency on the. It's a generality on the left with a tendency on the right. That is when you look at the basic people who are commenting on, on liberal podcasts, posting tiktoks, they're celebrating Charlie's death. When you look at the. At the right, they're not. So it's an inverse proportionality. Like 30% of the right is going out and celebrating all this. 70% of the left is going out and celebrating it. The people on the right who are prominent and the people on left who are prominent largely are trying to dance around the issue and there's two big reasons. One, I think as much as we want to criticize many of the liberals, they do try to keep things at a certain level. Not all of them. And the right certainly does want to because there's a moral. I don't say this in addressive way, but a moral superiority of like, we believe killing is wrong, we do not want the conflict. But that being said, the left sees these portion of the right celebrating the death of these people, mocking them, making jokes, and it's creating a, I don't know, a tit for tat that's not going to be quelled. I certainly think prominent liberal personalities are feeding into this, calling them Nazis and pushing these lies and manipulations and Ms. Now photoshopping the guy's face. But I don't know that there's any good answer because it doesn't matter. You know, it's the 1% rule. The issue at play is going to be the masses on both sides. If they get critical enough to want to kill each other, then it's going to happen regardless of what we want or what we say. And we come to a point where, you know, I'll say something like, this guy does not deserve this. No one should be killed. And I'll get a blasted comments and replies being like, you're wrong, Tim, you know, it's too late. Things like that, that that's what's deeply worrying to me in all of this. And I, and I'll say this too. Look, there's a reason I'm associated with the right and it's because I largely agree with the veterans when they come on this show and they say, you do not want this. You do not know how it's bad it's gonna get. And then you've got these leftist LARPers that are just like, is it time like this? Breaking Bad Guy, let's do this. Let's jump to this story from Fox News. Breaking Bad star calls for revolution after federal agent shooting in Minneapolis. In Minneapolis, actor Giancarlo Esposito tells Variety that very rich old white men are exerting their power to suppress our own people after weekend shooting. I want to add to this that Molly Ringwald said that the people who supported ICE will be treated as traitors and collaborators, just like in World War II. And if you don't know what that means, it means you're going to be executed. I'm not trying to be cute, I'm not trying to exaggerate. Look it up. In France after the war, they Went around hunting down people that collaborated and executed them. Not everybody, but I think it was around 7,000 people were executed. Many others fled. So when the Nazis came in, if you were a politician or a business owner and you were giving them food, they remembered you. And that's what she's threatening you with, Mass executions. It's not a joke. Let me play this clip. You can hear what the guy said for yourself. And then, yeah, this is time for a revolution.

[Phil]

It's time for it. And they don't even know that's what they're starting. You know, some very rich old white men are exerting their power to suppress our own people, thus creating a feeling of civil war in the streets, preparing the hate. The haters to hate, teaching them how to shoot.

[Ian Crossland]

They're not even trained right to kill this man. And I tell you what is the most important component of this is not that a celebrity is calling for revolution. It's that you can see it in his eyes. He doesn't know what this will mean. He doesn't know what this will mean. The horrors you will experience are beyond your comprehension. Go talk to any real combat veteran. Go talk to one of these guys doing wet works in foreign countries and talk to them about what happens when the system falls apart. Talk to them about in Egypt, when the military decided they could not keep a hand on the Muslim Brotherhood, so they showed up with AKs and started mowing people down, just killing them in the street. This guy doesn't understand. He'll be sitting in Santa Monica sipping his coffee, saying, I think the rich white boom. And then half his face is blown off and he's sitting there shaking, can't hear anything, with blood dripping from his mouth.

[Phil]

Exactly how his character in Breaking Bad.

[Ian Crossland]

Got it spoiler alert, Right?

[Phil]

You know, and what he was saying, at least from my perspective, some of his diagnosis is correct or he's on the right track in that there are groups of older. I don't know if they're old white men, whatever. There's groups of, I think, consider them bankers that are structuring our economy for collapse and anticipating street fighting in the United States. And they're happy for it because they don't like free speech and gun rights and property rights. They want a socialistic corporatocracy and they want us to be corporate slaves. That's what corporate governance is. That's what EG ESG is. So he's kind of right about that, I think. But the whole blaming the US Government and ICE is not. I Think that's where he's missing? It, I think is where he's missing.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, I, I just. With this stuff, what does it matter? The, the worldview of these people is not going to change. And you're not going to convince them. You're not gonna sit down for a cup of coffee and explain to Giancarlo Esposito why you don't want war. Cuz he doesn't know. If this guy knew, he would not be calling for it. And he's not going to believe you. The only thing that would ever change these people's minds is actual experience. But how do you give someone experience of what it's like to be in a war?

[Savannah Craven]

These people live in a made up fairy tale world where everything is just movies and social media and TikTok. And when you call for revolution, it's so interesting because the left always wants to call for violence, right? But after Char. Charlie Kirk was brutally murdered, we called for a revival, not a revolution. We were not trying to fight against the people who were celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. We wanted to bring more people to Christ. And that's what Turning Point tried to do. And it's just so interesting. I mean, do these people really want to live through a war?

[Ian Crossland]

They don't know what a war is.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Look at what Larry Krasner said though. He's a, he's a DA in Philly. Literally saying we're going to hunt them down like ICE agents, like Nazis, and identify them.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I said it's, it's permission. It's, it's.

[Savannah Craven]

They want this to happen.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, people in positions of authority saying that kind of stuff. Give permission to people that are not in positions of authority.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

They want this to happen.

[Ian Crossland]

We've gone back and forth, Phil and I, quite a bit on. There is no off ramp. And we are in a substantially worse position now than we were six months ago and six months before that. Is there any indication this is slowing down or is not going to escalate?

[Tim Pool]

No. And we've been saying this for three years. Like within the first six months of me coming on the show, we started talking about that.

[Ian Crossland]

Phil sat down the first day was here and he went civil war. And I was like, phil, slow down there. We don't say that on this show.

[Tim Pool]

No, but we, but we did, like it was in like what, 20, 23 or whatever. We were like, you know, where's the off ramp? But how do we, how do we stop this? Because things are only going to keep.

[Phil]

That doesn't mean that there isn't one, though, because not being able to see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, the off ramp, I'd imagine, and just it includes the way we often describe it is, you know what? Let's do this. Let's do this. We had Tony on the show, Tony Ortiz, and he said he's in the nothing ever happens camp. My argument to him is that the people who think nothing ever happens have a fictionalized or condensed view of what history really is. You read a history book, you'll read a single page explaining the entirety of World War II. Certainly overlooks the nuances of every year, or the American Revolution, for that matter. People, gen, like, I assure you, first and foremost, if you go to Times Square and ask someone, when was the Declaration of Independent side signed? They're gonna be like, what's that? The next step you're gonna get is people who say, July 4, 1776. And then only the smallest amount of people are gonna say July 2, 1776, because they actually read it. And then you're gonna ask people, when did the American Revolution start? And they're gonna say, 1776. First people are gonna say, I don't know. Then you're going to get the 1776. Then you're going to. People say, well, we don't have a set year, but it was likely around late 1760s, in fact, into the 1770s.

[Phil]

One out of a million people would say.

[Ian Crossland]

Or they'll. Exactly. Or they'll say, the Battle of Lexington and Concord in 1775, a full year before the Declaration was signed. They don't actually know. And my point here is we are in the thick of it today. The American revolutionary period was 20 years, and they were in the thick of it and didn't know it was going to happen and didn't think it was a war immediately. And we talk about the American Civil War. These people, you know, when they say things like nothing ever happens, they don't realize that it was always going to be grains of sand making a heap or snowflakes in an avalanche. And so when, you know, these people say things like they want a revolution, that's when I'm looking at the market, I'm looking at the ticker being like, how do you reverse course on this? In which case, ultimately, my point is the off ramp for the frogs in the pot is cranking the temperature up 10 degrees instantly. Because the argument is, these people who think nothing is happening are frogs sitting in a pot. And the Temperature is slowly rising so they don't notice. I would argue it like this. If the temperature of the water is 70 degrees and it rises to 80, did something happen? The answer is, yeah, the water's actually gone from lukewarm. It's actually kind of warm now. If it goes from 70 to 90, did something happen? Yeah, you're getting pretty hot water. If it goes from 70 to 100, certainly something happened. The problem is they're not calculating. It was 70 yesterday, it's 100 now. The people who think nothing ever happens are saying, what do you mean? The temperature was 89 degrees last last week. It's only 90 now. Nothing ever happens. So how do you shock these people and wake them up? You crank the flame all to the top so it goes from 89 degrees to 120, and they go, holy crap, and they jump out. Other. And my point is, shock and awe is likely the only thing to stop this, which is why I said the other day, Trump needs to stand down or suit up. You can't do half measures.

[Phil]

I like the statement. That is a cool statement, but that's the accelerationist take on things, which has, you know, some value, which is why people think of themselves as acceleration. It's like, technically, you could also shake the pot without turning the temperature up. And that was.

[Ian Crossland]

That's. That's. That's the same point. That's shocking.

[Phil]

Yeah. That will wake them up without having to turn the temperature up, though, it'll feel hotter because now there's friction.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that, regardless, that's creative arts.

[Phil]

That's where, like, science is in arts, it shakes up the pot.

[Ian Crossland]

But we are in agreement. The point is shock them, the people who are in the pot. If you move it gently from side to side, they're going to be like, nothing's happening. If you jolt it, they're going to say earthquake and jump out. If you crank the temperature up, they're going to say, ah, it's all of a sudden very hot. They're going to jump out. It's the. It's the half measures that are inching us towards catastrophe. Now. I don't. That's why I said, again, Trump needs to stand down or suit up. He needs to insurrection act, go into these places, send the National Guard out, say, we're commandeer, like, we're taking over domestic law enforcement to stop the extremism. Because you need to wake people up to what's going on. There's no guarantee that works. So then the other option is stop playing into leftist Agit prop and giving them the photo ops they're asking for with these half measures.

[Phil]

Yeah. In fact, I'd like to see them turn the temperature down by actually highlighting that they're releasing some of the non violent criminals. If it's actually happening at one of our.

[Ian Crossland]

That doesn't turn the temperature down, it increases it.

[Phil]

You don't, you know, people on the.

[Ian Crossland]

Right are going to boil if you release these people. That's right. This. The reason the temperature is going up is not because there's a collective effort to where people are agreeing on the left and right. Hey, you want to make things worse? It's that the left when, when Tim Waltz calls Trump on the phone and says let's negotiate, the left protested him.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

What about peace through strength?

[Ian Crossland]

That's what I'm saying. Shotgun.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

They're full. Forced. With everybody you got making a big scene and be scared.

[Ian Crossland]

Agreed. Terrified.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

That's where I want to be.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what I'm saying. Trump Insurrection Act.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

If it's going to work over there, it can work domestically.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think it works.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm saying you need people to realize. You need. First of all, Trump needs to assert the monopoly on violence and say, enough of this. You know, I rag on the libertarians because I don't understand what the benefit is to what's going on. Let this conflict just boil over and keep happening. It's bootlicking to want the riots to stop, to want the windows to stop being smashed, people to stop being killed. This is my beef of the libertarians right now. A guy died, Preddy's dead. It shouldn't have happened. I believe he was radicalized. I believe he knew the consequences and he went out there and more people are going to do it. But we can stop it right now. I tweeted Trump should go to Minneapolis and all of this stops. And you know, it's hard to convey this over a tweet or an X post because people are like, what's Trump going to do when the president goes to a city, the city goes on lockdown. It's in effect a, an insurrection act. If Trump invokes the insurrection act, he is making a declaration saying, I'm taking over law enforcement. That could be too hot. That could turn things up. Maybe it turns it up enough to shock people and make people back away. There's another play. Trump announces he will be visiting Minneapolis so that he can work with the governor and bring the temperature down. Secret Service, National Guard, federal police, lock the whole city down. And all Of a sudden, there's no riots anymore. It pushes out. You create security checkpoints, security zones. And simply by being there, Trump isn't saying, I'm crushing you. He's just literally crushing them and not giving them a narrative option. If Trump invokes the Insurrection act, the fear is they'll say, this proves he's a fascist. If Trump says, I want to help Minnesota and calm things down, so I'll be visiting, then they effectively lock the city down. And there's no escalation tactic.

[Phil]

That's an excellent tactic. That's what his advisors should be telling him in the boardroom right now. Probably they're watching this show and they're going to tell him. The only downside is now we. You said it publicly. So people will hear that, but they won't matter. So good job.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that's what I say. And it shows tremendous strength from Trump.

[Phil]

And he can do diplomacy while he's there.

[Ian Crossland]

Legitimately, Trump can say, I am going to come down personally to try and help the community and bring the temperature down. Trump could even say, I am deeply troubled by the death of Alex Preddy and Renee Goode. These things should not happen. I am going to personally come to work with the mayor and the governor to make sure this stops. And simply by showing up, they lock the city down.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think that's, that's.

[Ian Crossland]

And it's a personal. Listen, it makes Trump look strong. Lisa doesn't like it. She wants the boot.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

No, no. I think that all that does is say, oh, whenever you throw a violent temper tantrum, you get your way. And then it's going to encourage.

[Ian Crossland]

How are they getting their way If Trump says, I'm putting a boot down.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Look, he's not put a boot down. He's going in there and saying, you just said to say that, you know, that the pretty thing was terrible or whatever. Like, no, you can't give them.

[Savannah Craven]

You can't even be mad either way.

[Ian Crossland]

Sure they are, but you can't give.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Them a win at all.

[Ian Crossland]

You stop the agit prop overnight, you shut down their tactic. But you do all that.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

He already said that. And we're pulling people out now Homan says we're pulling people out. And that's.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that's all bad.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, it's horrible. Like, that's, that's conceding.

[Ian Crossland]

Pulling the temperature down is good. I'll. I'll say that Homan is toning the temperature down. He's trying to say, like, you know, it shouldn't happen. We don't have anybody to die. I respect that. Trump should do it personally. It's not an issue. The point is, if Trump invokes the Insurrection act, they're going to fundraise a million dollars off of it.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I understand that.

[Ian Crossland]

If Trump shows up.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

There's nothing to fundraise off of.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Show up with what, though?

[Ian Crossland]

Just show up?

[Phil]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, he's not going to.

[Ian Crossland]

Line down the highways. They're going to create checkpoints. Secret Service and National Guard will ever will be everywhere. And they can't say he's a fascist for doing it because it's literally just standard procedure. And he's not invoking anything.

[Tim Pool]

And that's the kind of stuff that the military does.

[Phil]

Like what?

[Tim Pool]

The military wants to take a location, they just go in with overwhelming force.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

And then they just sit by himself. Not overwhelming force.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to know the President's not going to go by himself somewhere you work.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

But no, I'm not talking about, like a Secret Service. I'm talking about. You say overwhelming force. I want, like every trained ICE officer who's trained on removals to be in. In there and get.

[Ian Crossland]

And that's a potentiality, which I said is insurrection. The concern with that is the possibility of blowback.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

No, you don't have to do the Insurrection act to do it. You just have to take all the ICE agents and ramp up the deportations you can have.

[Ian Crossland]

There's not enough ICE agents.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I mean, take the ones that are doing all the, the stuff in Florida and Texas you could halt.

[Ian Crossland]

So you want, you want to shut down the functional, the ICE operations that are working.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, because if you go in and you swarm, you get it done real quick. Get everybody out of there as soon as possible. You go to the places that aren't bothering you, and then it's all over.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I think, I think that's a half measure. And that's the problem. Trump surged 2,000 additional feds into Minnesota and it made things worse. It's either Insurrection act, you go all the way, or you do nothing. And the point I'm making about Trump just going there is that it locks the city down. It shuts down their agit prop. They have no opportunity for propaganda. They have no opportunity for fundraising. They can't call Trump a fascist. Trump just says, what do you mean? I just, I came to try and help the mayor, and there's no. Trump beat anybody. There's no opportunity for them to do it. Yeah, it cuts their. It cuts them off at the shin.

[Tim Pool]

The president doesn't need a reason to visit a city. It's not like the president going there.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I'm. I just want, I don't want to give them an inch. I don't want to.

[Ian Crossland]

If you.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I don't even want to take the rhetoric down like we did anything wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

But you got to be careful not to be Wiley E. Coyote running off the cliff.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Why do we have to. To behave when they don't?

[Ian Crossland]

We're not. I'm not saying behave. I'm saying stop buying into their agit prop.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

It's not about the agit prop.

[Ian Crossland]

They are. They want the half measure. They want the half measure. Don't do a half measure.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I don't want to do a half measure.

[Ian Crossland]

I want the whole Insurrection Act.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, I guess, sure, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump needs to assume control of local law enforcement, put National Guard on every street corner and say no more rioting. That's what I would like the concern.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

And we will, every city if we have to. If you keep. Keep behaving this way, Indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

You can't, though. That's the problem. There's not enough people should go back.

[Savannah Craven]

To requiring young men to serve.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that doesn't work because they get angry. But there's what, 30,000 feds. So how do you occupy every single city? You can't. So Trump's got it. Trump's got a finite amount of pieces on the board, and clearly the surging 2,000 additional feds did not work. So there's a few options. And Trump took the half measure approach once again, which I think is going to be a net negative. But let's do this. In this conversation of civil war, we have this from Kalshee. Donald Trump out as president. Take a look at this. There's actually before 2028, 33% probability, before 2027, 15%. Now, I'm gonna go ahead and say this. To me, it feels like free money. Trump's not going to be out as president before January 20, 2029, and they're giving it a 36% probability. But it's actually pretty dang crazy that all of your choices are that Trump is going to be removed from office early and that you've got $1.8 million wagered on this, that 15% of those of the people here believe, or I shouldn't say, 50%. I don't have the actual ratio for the money, but these people believe there's a 15% chance Trump is removed from office this year.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

You know how risk averse I am and how much I don't like England, that's about, I would take, I might just go bet on that when I get home.

[Tim Pool]

Those are all you've got people that think. So are all the people that think that the Senate's going to flip too.

[Savannah Craven]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, what I find interesting about this is that the prediction markets are rarely wrong. The problem with this is you've got, you know, 64% that he will not be removed by before January 20th, but when you add it all up, there's a decent probability in this that they think Trump is going to be removed. And you know what? I do believe there's at least a double digit possibility Trump doesn't finish out his term. First and foremost, let's consider the fact that he's almost 80 years old. With all due respect to Mr. President, he is at life expectancy. I'm assuming that will play into their, their, their payout.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

How are they defining removed?

[Ian Crossland]

Right. If Donald Trump leaves office before January 20, then the market resolves to yes. Source from New York Times, ap, Reuters, Actors, Political Summer for the information, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, abc, cbs, cnn, Fox News and msnbc. If he leaves solely because they have died, the associated market will resolve and the exchange will determine the paths to the holders of long and short positions based upon the last traded price prior to death. So, so I'm not suggesting he's gonna die, but I do believe that the zealotry we've seen in Minnesota, you've got Democrats, it's not just Tim Walt saying this is Fort Sumter we saw. I forget who was it? Jesse Waters had pulled up saying, it's a revolution, it's civil war. You've got celebrities saying it's civil war or calling for revolution. You've got celebrities calling for the mass execution of prominent conservative personalities. All of that lends itself to a decent probability that they will at least try. Well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. There is a 100% probability they will try to remove Trump as President. There's a decent probability, although very, very, very small. They succeed.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't see, I don't see it happening. If the Senate flips, then I think that the, the actual chances like will skyrocket, to be honest with you. But I don't see that happening.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump being removed, the Senate flipping civil war.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I pay so much attention to the chat.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know if there, if Kalshi has a civil war. That would be interesting to find it.

[Phil]

It's such a vague term, civil war.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I Love reading the Chat. I even go back after the show and read all of them.

[Ian Crossland]

She reads all of them.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Every single one.

[Phil]

I used to.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I'm such a nut sometimes.

[Phil]

I would go hard sometimes.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I don't think they have a probability of civil war. And then like, the question is, how do you determine when a civil war happens? Because again, that's what Tim Waltz is asking. Is this Fort Sumter? There's no such thing as a declared civil war. It's never. It's never happened.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Well, when they. When they took Jefferson Davis and was.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, when they took Jefferson, you know.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I'm like, you know, taking command, I guess.

[Ian Crossland]

Or like, Lisa, do you watch the show?

[Phil]

So did Lincoln.

[Ian Crossland]

They did not call it a civil war. For two years into the Civil War. It was half over, but you and.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

They were like two separate armies.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that's not what a civil war is.

[Phil]

That's kind of a misnomer calling the American Civil War Civil War. This is something I'd learned a few weeks ago that I think if you.

[Ian Crossland]

Watched the show, you've known this years ago.

[Phil]

Scott Horton.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Phil]

That it was like two countries split into two. It was a country split into two different countries. And then they fought a conventional war, not a real civil war where dudes are up in. Next door in the. In the third floor with a sniper rifle waiting. You know.

[Ian Crossland]

It was actually a war for independence. The. The Confederate states were trying to break away from the Union, not to control D.C. they wanted their own country, not a civil war. They lost the distinction between the American Civil War. That's why it's like American cheese, right? It's not really cheese, but we call it that in the American Civil War. I explained this this morning because I'm seeing these. All these leftoids being like, well, during the American Revolution, we fought tyranny with guns. Are you saying the Revolution. The founding fathers had no say. There was no opportunity in parliament for representation. And they tried four years to petition, and then they asked the king to intervene, and he wouldn't. And they said, if we don't have a say on how we are governed, we're not even affect. We're just being oppressed. So you know what? We'll do it ourselves in the American Civil War. Again, like American cheese. Civil War. The Confederate said, we will have a say and we shall vote. And then they lost. And they went, well, then I'm leaving. And then the Union was like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. You had your say. We voted on it and you lost. And now you're trying to break apart the union and leave because you're mad about the results of an election we all agreed to be a part of when we founded this country. That's the distinction. So right now, with Minnesota, with Tim Waltz and his whackaloon goon squad, they had their vote. And if they won and Democrats took Congress, they'd be trampling all over us, calling it democracy. And now, just like the Democrats in 1861, the Democrats now are bitching and moaning because they lost an election and they're trying to violate our democratic institutions and our rights because they can't handle being beaten.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

How about we just have Kalsha, say American war on a war on American soil between its own constituents instead of a civil war.

[Ian Crossland]

So typically, what we see, what's happening right now in the US is actually more akin to a traditional Civil war than the American Civil War. There could be just two factions, but they are actually fighting for. Fighting for control of one government. Government, Right. So I actually think. Again, I've said it before, I'll say it, I'll say it again. Should we actually find open conflict with paramilitaries, with rifles shooting at federal agents? Historians will claim the second U.S. civil War began years before now, maybe even 2020. And we just did when the President claimed the election was stolen, which resulted in January 6th. And then history will be condensed and they'll say over the next several years there was fighting and riots which culminated in the formation of paramilitary groups and.

[Phil]

Huge influx of mass illegal immigration.

[Ian Crossland]

The border was opened up.

[Tim Pool]

Boom.

[Ian Crossland]

They'll say in response to the defeat of Trump Democrats. It depends on who wins, to be honest. But I'm imagining a 12 year old with this virtual reality, you know, neural link in 100 years. And they're saying the Civil War began in 2021 with January 6th.

[Phil]

Yeah, January 6th was the fort Sumter. If you want to force us to act. Like this is like the Civil War of 1860s somehow. January 6th.

[Ian Crossland]

It's genuinely crazy to me that Abraham Lincoln actually dispatched troops to Southern states and they were shooting at each other armies, and the people of America were like, it's not civil war.

[Phil]

And they put him on the five dollar bill like he's a hero.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, this is the guy that Abraham Lincoln.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, big fan.

[Phil]

Well, he's on that $5 bill now, right? They posthumously made this guy a superhero, but he is a hero. Well, he federalized the states, he made centralized power, and he was like taking away people's habeas corpus. He was sending troops to other states, and still we look at him as a hero.

[Ian Crossland]

Indeed.

[Phil]

It was just crazy because he was like one of the most authoritarian presidents. They didn't put Woodrow Wilson on the dollar bill.

[Ian Crossland]

Welcome to war.

[Phil]

It's pretty close.

[Ian Crossland]

Welcome to war.

[Phil]

I know, I know. And he's on Mount Rushmore like he's a hero.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Phil]

And he was aggressive.

[Ian Crossland]

And I liken Trump to Buchanan, and y' all could be mad at me all day, But Buchanan tried placating the Democrats. He cut deals. He did not bring the boot down. And after he leaves, the moment Abraham Lincoln is declared the winner, well, before he's even inaugurated. Because at the time, it was March, not January. So they have the election in November. There are several months in between. Seven states seceded. Abraham Lincoln's not even president yet. And they left. Then he gets in and he says, I'm bringing the boot down. Day.

[Phil]

What about now? If we bringing the boot down? I. My argument here is that it won't work in this situation because this is genuine Civil War potential. Whereas if it was two countries fighting like the north and the South. Yeah, send the boot down. Go after them. That's a foreign country. For now, right now, increasing the boot, the pressure. I feel like the America's built to resist that. If the federal government goes authoritarian, our country is built to destroy that.

[Ian Crossland]

Abraham Lincoln arrested Confederate sympathizers in the Maryland state legislature.

[Phil]

But that was a situation where Abraham's two countries.

[Ian Crossland]

Abraham.

[Tim Pool]

It was like a.

[Ian Crossland]

Not initially. When he first came in office, the perspective of the Union was largely that there was still one country. It's just that the Southern states were ignoring federal law. That's why they did not call it a civil war and didn't believe was happening. Abraham Lincoln says, I'm going to arrest state representatives, and did. And threatened to arrest a sitting Supreme Court justice, and he suspended habeas corpus, and we put him on a mountain. The point is this history is written by the victors. The decisive, the strong, they survive. If Trump right now said, actually, let me put it like this. When Abraham Lincoln was, like, sitting in his chair, rocking back and forth, and he goes, I'm gonna send in the troops. Four more states went, holy crap. And they seceded and joined the Confederacy. There were seven initial states. And after Lincoln said, I'm sending troops in and shutting you down, you are in the Union, four other states flipped. Virginia, for instance, was not in the Confederacy. They were 2 to 1 in support of the Union until after Abraham Lincoln said, I'm gonna send in the troops. Then their state legislature said, holy crap, this dude's going nuts. We're out. And I can't remember, it was North Carolina, it was Virginia's, Tennessee, I think I forget the fourth one, Texas, joined the Confederacy largely because of, because of geography. They were like, we're not connected to the Union.

[Phil]

What do we do?

[Ian Crossland]

I guess we're Confederates. My point is, if Donald Trump right now said, I am suspending habeas corpus on the, on the transport lines, on the highways and the railways, where we are dispatching the Marines under the Insurrection act to quell this rebellion and he wins, they put his face on a mountain right now. People will be shocked. They'll be scared. They're like, oh my God, what is Trump doing? But should he win? Just like Abraham Lincoln, they'll say, the greatest president of all time. Or someone will scream, six semper tyrannous.

[Tim Pool]

But you understand why he, why Lincoln is on the memorials and stuff, right? Like on the five dollar bill. It's because according to the, you know, he, he quote unquote saved the country. Right. That was the whole point. That's why he's celebrated as, as a great president. Like if he had done all those things and the south had won the war, he would not be looked at as, as some kind of hero.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he'd be looked at as a great loser.

[Phil]

They probably wouldn't even talk about him. He'd be like Jefferson Davis.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, nobody talks about Buchanan except the bad mouth him. And it's because he was just trying to negotiate. He was trying to placate. And that's what you get.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And the funny thing is you can say the same of the South. This is contested, but it's largely. Well, I'll say this, it's contested, but many people do believe that if the, if the Confederacy marched on D.C. after the First Battle of Bull Run, the war would have been over and there'd be two countries right now. But the south was like, we just want to be left alone. And so they pushed back the Union troops at the first battle of Bull Run. And then Lincoln was like, rally troops were going in and crushing them and then they lost. Yeah. Some people argue that they were, they were too weakened despite winning to actually have taken D.C. but I, I, I.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Do you think we're in active civil war? And what would your call she prediction look like?

[Ian Crossland]

I have no idea. What I will say is because of the advancements in war. You know, we were talking about fallout the other day, the one Thing I'll criticize the Fallout franchise on is what is meant to be this profound statement, but it's one of the dumbest things ever. When Ron Perlman fan, by the way, I appreciate the. The VO says war. War never changes. And I'm like, are we talking. It changes all the time. The. The Genghis Khan put a guy on a horse with a bow and arrow, and they conquered all of Asia before they were just tackling each other with clubs. Then some. Before that, some dude took a pizza horse's tail and tied a rock. A rock to it, spun it around and threw it, hit a guy in the head. More changes all the time. Chemical warfare. Yeah, exactly. The point is, I get that. I get philosophical, like the conflict. But. But I will say this too, of that line where never changes. We are in psychological warfare zone. That's why the left plays the game of agit prophets. Why they play the I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you because they're trying to exploit our social norms. Here's what the left's goal is. They. They say, hey, film. Film me. Only after. Don't film the part where I punchy and film the aftermath. Then I'll walk up to Ian, hit him in the gut. Then I'll back up going, please, please don't hurt me. And then he films, and you start swinging at me. And then we post a video saying ian went nuts and attacked me for no reason. That's the left's playbook right now. They're not trying to win a war by storming in with guns, capturing people, and occupying a building. They're trying to trick as many people as possible into believing that they are the benevolent benefactors of the oppressed.

[Tim Pool]

It's literally agitprop. Yeah, the whole thing.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

But then we also have, like, just the useful idiots. Like. Like the people that punch Savannah. They just have low impulse control and they. They can't handle what they're hearing because, you know, they've. They've never had to deal with anything in their entire lives. They've been coddled and whatever. And the cats, man.

[Savannah Craven]

And they know there'll be no consequences or very little, you know, when the D. A. Drops the case because it doesn't fit their political agenda. So there's just, you know, you get a slap on the wrist, and that's pretty much it.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's pull this story up from abc News. Man allegedly tried to break Luigi Mangione out of jail by impersonating an FBI agent. And where was this man from Minnesota. A Minnesota man allegedly tried to break out Mangione impersonating FBI agent Mark Anderson, 36, was charged on Thursday with impersonating a federal agent as he allegedly tried to sneak Manjani, 27, out of the Metropolitan Detention center in Brooklyn. Sources told ABC News. The ill fated escape attempt attempt saw Anderson approach an intake area inside the jail to get close to the accused healthcare CEO assassin. Anderson allegedly lied to officials by claiming he had paperwork signed by a judge authorizing the release of Manchione. Which is just the stupidest thing, bro. Transfer. Come on. But to go and be like, they're letting them go. The guards are gonna be like, yeah, sure. This is like one of the most high profile inmates we got. If you said they're transferring them out, don't ask me. I'm not the boss. I just do what the boss tells me. Then you might have gotten away with it. You would need an official looking vehicle. I mean, the scary thing is this actually could have worked if the guy wasn't a retard. The criminal complaint against Anderson does not name Manjones the target of the alleged breakout attempt, but sources had the murder suspect was the focus of the plot. The scheme reportedly fell apart when Bureau of Prison Staff asked to see Anderson's credentials, which led him to show his Minnesota driver's license and throw numerous documents at personnel. Can I see your documents?

[Phil]

Flood the zone.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I would love to see what this person look like. Don't you? I want. Yeah, I want to know how crazy this person looks.

[Savannah Craven]

I think they're a non binary.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, look, they have his picture.

[Phil]

Good.

[Ian Crossland]

He had a pizza cutter and a fork.

[Savannah Craven]

Oh, my gosh.

[Ian Crossland]

Now, look, I'm not. This doesn't look.

[Savannah Craven]

I've never seen a pizza cutter look like.

[Ian Crossland]

They're not even sharp.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Put a sock in a cue ball. A cue ball and a sock.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, Lisa.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I'm just saying. I didn't say what it was. I'm just saying, like, if you're gonna.

[Tim Pool]

No, no.

[Ian Crossland]

Stop giving advice to lunatics.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I'm not trying to give advice.

[Savannah Craven]

Okay. I'm sorry.

[Ian Crossland]

Ahead of his trial, imagine his lawyers have attempted to bar key pieces of evidence against him managing allegedly shot Thompson. We know this, but Minnesota is turning into a hotbed for revolutionary and rebellious activity again. Trump needs to stop playing footsie with these people. Yeah, he needs to actually do something.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Can we just give Minnesota to Canada?

[Phil]

No. Why?

[Savannah Craven]

They don't want. I don't think they want.

[Phil]

Beachfront invasion zone. You can't cede it to the enemy.

[Ian Crossland]

Why don't we just build a big wall around the whole thing and then just turn the whole place into like our Australia?

[Savannah Craven]

How much would that cost?

[Ian Crossland]

Who cares? I'll pay. I'm down. Put a one. No, no, put a 20 in the chat. If you agreed we should just box in Minnesota and put all the liberals in there and we agree our tax that we will pay taxes to make that happen.

[Savannah Craven]

Okay.

[Phil]

I want.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm willing to bet every conservative will be like, take as much taxes money from you as you want to do that. I actually, I made this argument before. I made this argument before. At least I asked you a question. Would you be willing to accept a 50% tax on all of your money.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

In order to have women not vote.

[Ian Crossland]

To put all liberals in the matrix? Yeah, agreed.

[Phil]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, hold on. What do you mean, no? I have friends, 20s across the board. You can visit them in the shoes they choose.

[Phil]

I'll give them the option.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I'm saying we. I say this to all liberals. I will gladly pay for your neuralink and your matrix chamber out of my own pocket. Gladly. You know why? That's a win win peace. Absolutely. The liberals love the idea. They're like be a Jedi. Yeah, exactly. Or, or a wizard Harry.

[Phil]

I mean, it could be a wizard. Yeah, it seems like, like humanity is being guided towards that.

[Ian Crossland]

Regardless communism work in there. I want to, I want to do this survey. Let's do this survey. Maybe I could, maybe, maybe we can get Rich Barris to do the survey for us. Ask people their political affiliation and if they would accept entering a matrix. A matrix like environment where all of their dreams come true and they can live in paradise. I guarantee you liberals will largely say yes. Conservatives will absolutely say no.

[Savannah Craven]

Yeah. Unlimited Covid shots, unlimited abortions. They'd love it.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, bro, you can do whatever you want. And here's the thing. Even if only half of liberals say yes, that means we win every election from here on out. I will pay for that. I will pay you. Tax me at 80%. Just give me a loaf of bread every week and I will break rocks to make that reality come true.

[Tim Pool]

And once Republicans have actual control of the government, we'll make sure that, that your neuralink is always serviced, always taken care of. You don't ever have to worry about it. And because conservatives know, at least the modern generations know what would happen if.

[Phil]

You were to get out.

[Tim Pool]

We'll never let him. Let him out.

[Ian Crossland]

This is why we need this film producer I've been talking about a million and One times. Because this is the perfect minute, minute long movie where it's just like a wholesome, conservative family having pancakes. Mom makes like 50 pancakes and there's tons of bacon. And then seven kids run downstairs and Dad's laughing, drinking his coffee. And then they're smiling. And then you just get this beautiful experience of a traditional American world. The mom's got, like, an apple pie cooking, but notes for after dinner. Grandma and Grandpa come over and they're all smiling. And then right towards the end, the punchline comes and the dad says, can you believe it only costs us 80% of our income to maintain such a beautiful world? And then he clicks the TV on and you see the Matrix fields of all the liberals just wired in smiles on their faces. Yeah, sounds like a dream to them, too. Yeah, to them, too. I guarantee you, you go to any one of these, like, individuals who have identity disorder, whatever it might be, and you'll be like, listen, we're going to plug you in and you are going to be a female dragon. And the guy's going to be like, that's all I ever wanted and I'll pay for it.

[Savannah Craven]

A lot choice. Because, like, a lot of them just want to infiltrate everything that's good. So I feel like a lot of them would say, no, the destruction is the point.

[Ian Crossland]

But it doesn't matter. If 5% of liberals said yes, we win every election forever. Yeah, we don't need 5%. Get them all. They'll be a permanent minority and they'll be like, listen, it's not like they're.

[Savannah Craven]

Reproducing, you know, exactly. All their children.

[Ian Crossland]

To us, it sounds insulting, but I assure you, you go to the average liberal and you say it in a neutral way. Would you be willing to plug in a neuralink so you can experience any universe that you want whenever you want? They're going to say, absolutely. They're gonna be like, yeah, that'd be cool. It's like, you can. You can. You can be in Harry Potter. You'll plug your brain in, lay down, you're in Harry Potter. What if we could then hook an IV for nutrients and you could literally just zone it and live in Harry Potter for the rest of your life. A lot of them, they wouldn't have a long life. They're gonna say yes.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

You get, like, you know, bed sores.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. But they spin. We put them in one of those things where they're like, you know what I mean?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

These are details.

[Tim Pool]

These are details, Lisa. These are details.

[Ian Crossland]

You're thinking too much. Because they're not going to know anything. They're like, I don't care.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Oh, I'm just, I'm just, I don't think I care that that's gonna happen. I'm just saying, I'm pointing it out that that's gonna happen.

[Ian Crossland]

I guarantee you there's some morbidly obese 50 year old guy who's like, I'm secretly a little girl. And you're like, well, we can plug your brain in the machine. You'll be one. He'll be, please throw it.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Okay.

[Ian Crossland]

They'll do it in two seconds. You don't think so?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

No, listen, I think they will. I'm not complaining about it. I'm just like, like, you know, putting all, putting all the, you know, I.

[Ian Crossland]

Guarantee you there's a decent double digit percentage of these people where you said, you'll only live another 20 years because of the bed sores and the muscle at muscle atrophy. And they'll be like, I don't care.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

They're like, yeah, fine, it'll be blessed. Go ahead.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, I know, I agree with you.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm just.

[Tim Pool]

When you're in the neuralink, slow time down for the experience. Time slower. So it'll seem like a full lifetime for them.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh yeah.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Want to be anywhere near that facility.

[Phil]

You could deviate time. Somebody was saying, this was somebody on a podcast about pharmaceutical psychedelics and that the next phase of humanity will be people plugging in to the neural net just like you're talking about, but on pharmaceutical legalized pharmaceutical psychedelics.

[Ian Crossland]

And then they'll just be really terrifying.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Where do you find this stuff?

[Ian Crossland]

Ian?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Because I've never heard.

[Tim Pool]

Ian likes drugs, likes talking about drugs.

[Phil]

I remember what that was on. That was on.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I gotta get on your YouTube algorithm.

[Phil]

Yeah, it's like Rogan, Chase Hughes. It's a lot of these like podcasts.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Podcasts, yeah, you should send me some so I can like, so we could be on the same wavelengths. I can know what you're talking about because I, because I hear that stuff and I'm like, I've never heard anything like that.

[Tim Pool]

You just Google like search it.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, I'm like, I'm set in the 1800s, you know what I mean?

[Phil]

Like next time I bring it up, I'll see if I can have.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Need to see what they're talking about.

[Ian Crossland]

I got to be honest, I'm pretty sure a lot of conservatives would agree to peacefully like do what they call the peaceful divorce. Divorce, like, okay, we're going to give the Rockies and west to the liberals. That's your country now and this is our country. And the right's going to be like, yeah, okay. I guess a lot of people are gonna be like, it's better than civil war. Liberals won't though, because as communists, they're like, I must consume you.

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah, we got, we need also Pacific coast access. Militarily, we need it. So I don't think it can happen. I don't think there can be any kind.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, no, I don't think peaceful divorce is possible because of allocation of resources. Like the west coast produces a lot of food and it's going to imbalance everything. Plus some states have nukes and some don't. It's going to be real weird.

[Phil]

Yep. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, it's really funny. Which, let me. Let's. Let's play. Let's play a game, friends. Which state? If a civil war to break out, which state do you think would be one of the most sought after to control? Let's say two factions. Colorado, baby. Why Colorado?

[Phil]

Because it's got underground bases and it's super high up.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Pennsylvania steel production. We used to do a lot of steel production out there. And I'm sure there's still.

[Ian Crossland]

The raw materials, are there?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

No, I mean like the setup is there that they still have a lot of the factories and stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

They need raw materials, though. What do you think, Phil?

[Tim Pool]

Florida.

[Ian Crossland]

They want to seize Florida?

[Tim Pool]

I think. Well, because the Florida's got. Well, if you're talking about where you'd.

[Ian Crossland]

Want to be or where. Oh, you've got left and right factions. War breaks out. What's the first target they say we have to control this state? Someone said Hawaii is just gone.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

They have a wide range of California.

[Savannah Craven]

Maybe like instead of doing it this way, we do it like horizontally, north and south. The country splits because like you just get a good amount of each.

[Phil]

You know, like they tried that before.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean California would be. Would be one of them.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

The north had the manufacturing though, fracking.

[Tim Pool]

In, in the Dakotas.

[Ian Crossland]

I would argue North Dakota because the frack fields light up brighter than most US cities at night. How big they are and the amount of oil that they produce, but it doesn't mean they produce more oil than anybody else. California produce a lot of oil as well.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they, they produce it, but I don't, I don't think there are any refineries there. Jersey has refineries, New Orleans has refineries.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd argue North Dakota because it's the easiest to take, not just produces. Yeah. New Mexico, Texas, North Dakota. I'd argue North Dakota because it's. It's largely flat and easy to take.

[Phil]

North Dakota would become like the Ukraine in a civil war. It would be mud. It would be no man's land. Everybody would want it. Everyone would just artillery shell the. Out of that flat land. It would be dead.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

The frac fields will probably be flattened by bombings.

[Phil]

Because nobody can have it.

[Ian Crossland]

Exactly. Because we can't hold it. We're under siege too often.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Can't you frag a pencil? Here's the thing. Yes, you can practice importantly. And so is like neon, right? So neon is a byproduct of steel.

[Savannah Craven]

Right.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

And you need neon for like, what those superconductors. What do they call it? The. Right.

[Phil]

You talk about neon.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, neon is a. Neon's a. Literally a byproduct of steel. That's why Ukraine and Taiwan have a ton of it. Right. And they need that for those little chips that we make for all of our communication, our cell phones, for all of our military. What are they called? Superconductors. Now they're. You know what the little chips in Taiwan?

[Ian Crossland]

Semiconductors.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Semiconductors. That's it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, like we. You need that. So steel production is high up there. So you want somewhere where you can produce steel and you can have natural gas.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

PA Is densely populated and would easily be absorbed as soon as a war broke out.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

It's not densely hot.

[Ian Crossland]

It's east coast. Pennsylvania's on the water.

[Phil]

Everything east of the Mississippi, we have the Delaware.

[Ian Crossland]

We can just. Yeah, it's on the water. It's gonna be like.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I like. I like Pennsylvania.

[Ian Crossland]

The. The question is, where are the densest military strongholds?

[Tim Pool]

Part of why. I think so.

[Ian Crossland]

And population bases.

[Tim Pool]

California, because you've got the. You've got the 2nd Marine Division there. You've got Miramar. You've got Navy, Naval, Air Force and Marine Corps bases there. You can.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

But they're going to be divided, too. Not totally, but, like, who gets what?

[Tim Pool]

Well, you're talking.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

You just go take it.

[Tim Pool]

That's what the question is, Lisa. Go take it.

[Phil]

Who.

[Tim Pool]

What are you gonna take?

[Ian Crossland]

The problem with California is how easy it is to conquer SoCal by cutting off their water access. Just like you're done. This whole country, the people knock out the Hoover Dam.

[Tim Pool]

Boom.

[Ian Crossland]

You wipe out the entire population.

[Phil]

The tentativity of this is normal for this show. Water systems getting shut down, electrical grids going down. Like, I don't think any state Would be held by a faction. It'd be like, oh, God.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I have a question. Do. Is where you live public? It is, right?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

What city? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I, I just told somebody to meet me at a library. Then, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, so, and, and that city is.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah. Philadelphia.

[Ian Crossland]

Where does your water come from?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I, I, I don't know. Water.

[Savannah Craven]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

You don't know?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

No, I mean, I guess the Delaware and it, Yeah, I guess our river's Delaware.

[Ian Crossland]

Delaware isn't Delaware. Brackish, though.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

There's a Delaware and there's the Schuylkill.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

It's gotta be a school.

[Ian Crossland]

I guess, maybe. So if the one day, one day the power is out, the radio's off, there's shelling going on, you have no water. Where do you get water?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Oh, no, I would go up to, I would go up to like where I horseback ride up into like the Wissahick, and I would go up into the thing and you can drink that water up there.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you think you'd be the only one trying to do that?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, but not many people can survive. Let me tell you how these are.

[Ian Crossland]

Of course. But what are you going to be able to make it up there with a million other people all doing the same thing? She'll be crawling over their bodies. Lisa is very high confidence is where you live public. If it's not, don't say anything.

[Savannah Craven]

It's New York City.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, okay. Do you know where your water comes from? No.

[Savannah Craven]

I don't want to say the wrong answer.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not, it's not a trick question. I don't know. My point is that nobody knows where their water comes from. Most people don't even know. And so I'll just say this. It is, it's fascinating how many people are like, oh, I'd survive for sure. It's like, huh.

[Savannah Craven]

No, I wouldn't.

[Ian Crossland]

The only one in this room would actually survive is Ian. No, because I think that because you can survive off just the air and the sun.

[Phil]

I don't eat much.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he would, he would start floating and he'll just.

[Phil]

I try.

[Ian Crossland]

He's a breath.

[Phil]

I've never really, truly, officially been a Breatharian, but I mean, let's go.

[Savannah Craven]

Are you a vegan?

[Phil]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

Ian has the least body fat. Would probably die the first.

[Savannah Craven]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Just so you know, 17%, you can.

[Savannah Craven]

Last like 20 days. 20 something people have lasted longer.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Like they lost there. And I know my way around.

[Savannah Craven]

Some people have done that.

[Tim Pool]

New York City gets its water from the Catskill Delaware watershed, the Croton watershed and a small groundwater supply in Queens.

[Ian Crossland]

And New York has a natural water pressure due to the elevation of their water source, which is interesting. That's why they don't need water towers the same way.

[Phil]

Here's my.

[Savannah Craven]

My water pressure is good.

[Phil]

This is my philosophy. This is my take on how we the off ramp. You guys were asking me earlier let me know what you think. Semantics. You have to use neuro linguistic programming as a member of the media. Like Jesse Water is saying earlier, the media is in charge of de escalation because the politicians only know how to go forward. And so we just, we program these people with words, we tell them what they think and then they start to think that and we give them healthy thoughts that de escalate.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

We are always the ones de escalating and we're always the ones losing.

[Phil]

Well, I don't think we're. I would never consider myself a loser in life.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I feel like I'm talking about our side, our values, everything that we stand for.

[Ian Crossland]

We are even, even right now. Woke is worse than it's ever been.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And it's remarkable that people are like woke is done even. I thought so. And now it's just like worse than ever.

[Phil]

The pressure of against the United States Republic of free speech is at an all time high. It feels like that legit maybe or one of the all time highs. That's true. That's why, that's why I feel like I'm on the defensive a lot and why I'm struggling against something else and why I've got to be the one to do what's right when all those guys are doing what's wrong. But that's the, that's the point of righteousness is you stand up and you continue to defend what you know is right.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I'll take that back. It's not worse than ever. But there, there are still hotspots like Wikipedia is worse than ever. But Grokopedia recently started outranking Wikipedia in Google SEO which is crazy. But you've got the entrenchment in Minnesota, Washington, Oregon, California and Virginia. So at the federal level they did, we did route the wokeness with Donald Trump's victory. But now they're starting to win at the state level.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean it's an ideology so it doesn't go away. You know people that people that believe these things, they don't believe these things because they've heard it one time. It's a way to view the world like it's really the oppressor, oppressed dynamic. And when you see the world that way, you're constantly looking for ways to. To make the world fit into this dynamic that you expect. So it's not going to go away. Like these. The people that. That are woke, like, they were educated that this is the way the world works, so this is the way they see the world. And you can't just. I mean, you can't just make that go away. That's why there's. That's why so many attempts at brainwashing people in China didn't work. You know, it just. Yeah, it's built in.

[Phil]

I liked how the economy sort of set target. Right. And Bud Light companies that adopted woke up, you know, esg, corporate governance stuff. And people just snap back by breaking up their bottom line.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, that's.

[Phil]

It might be hard to overturn the ideology, but you can definitely affect the pocketbook of. I won't call them the communists, but these, like, corporate. Corporate.

[Tim Pool]

I do think the fact that woke is still here kind of puts to bed the argument that it was just a psyop by the corporations. There's a lot of people that were making the argument that it was like, oh, this is just corporations doing it. And it's like, no, it's. It's something that people really believe the corporations are doing it because people that believe that stuff have gotten into positions of authority. They were like, Dave. Dave Smith was making the argument that that woke came after Occupy Wall street as a way to get people to stop paying attention to the billionaires or.

[Ian Crossland]

Whatever Woke was in Occupy Wall Street.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but there were people.

[Ian Crossland]

It was the core component of how they organized.

[Phil]

I went to Occupy Wall Street. I brought the Constitution. I was going to speak, and they're. You can't speak. Too many white people have already spoke today.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but the argument that. The argument that I kept hearing was, oh, look, Occupy Wall street happened. And so, like, the corporations rolled out this woke stuff and blah, blah, blah. But it's like, no, the woke stuff was already in the corporations. It happened to come out right around the same time as Occupy Wall street, but that's largely because of the Internet and being in your pocket with cell phones that were connected to the Internet constantly. But the idea that it was. It was a psyop by corporations to get the heat off of billionaires. That's just. That was never true. This is something. This is an ideology that people believe. And so you can't just. Just make it go away.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's jump to this next story from Politico. Bizarrely and personally lurking. Gabbard's appearance. Appearance at FBI election raid alarms Dems. As it should. For those that don't know the story, I'll keep it real simple for you. Trump raided the Fulton county election hub. Tulsi Gabbard was there, and Trump's been spam blasting videos about how the 2020 election was stolen, how it was stolen from him. And Tulsi Gabbard, she's the Director of National Intelligence. So what I find really funny here is that these Democrats are going, oh, she shouldn't be involved in domestic affairs. Why is she here? Would anyone like to posit perhaps a reason why someone who should not be involved in domestic affairs would be at an election hub?

[Phil]

Maybe there's a foreign interference.

[Ian Crossland]

Ian. Ding, ding, ding. Right away. Could it be that the insinuation they are making is that foreign countries and influence have been subverting our elections and that's why she's there? As the dni Possible, I think Dominion.

[Phil]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Venezuela, is that. Where is it headquartered in Venezuela?

[Ian Crossland]

The arguments theory right now is that Trump. One of the theories is that Trump's invasion of Venezuela. I'm going to be honest with you guys. I actually think there's a decent probability, maybe even greater than chance, that the reason he got Maduro was over the 2020 election and nothing else. And the reason why I say this is if there's one thing that Trump's pissed about, it's 2020 and he still won't shut up about it. He posts on truth. Nonstop about it. What was it Pam Bondi wanted election voter rolls from Minnesota. Now you've got this action in Fulton County. When I see all this stuff, I'm like, man, I don't know if it's true, but I can genuinely believe it. If someone said Trump invaded Venezuela because he wanted information on these voting conspiracy theories, I mean, I. I'd be like.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, I have a question.

[Ian Crossland]

Believe it.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

If true and if proven true, what is the remedy for what exactly?

[Ian Crossland]

Monarchy. We have no choice.

[Phil]

If.

[Ian Crossland]

If Trump finds even a single fraudulent ballot, he has to be king, right? Oh, I see the logic in that. I love how it's an obvious joke, but, like, Sam Cedar's gonna clip it anyway.

[Phil]

Oh, he finally showed his choice.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

True. What is the remedy? Do. Do all Biden's executive orders, are they. Are they instantly nullified? Like, what. What is the remedy for that?

[Ian Crossland]

No, I think you just know it's it's federal management over the elections and an overhaul of the electoral system. That's good news.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I mean, I'm sure it is good news. I just don't. Like I said, I really can't see what they would do to fix it.

[Ian Crossland]

And what do you mean?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Because no matter what the Dems will say, even if we have evidence, so I'm saying that's not evidence. It didn't really happen. Trump fabricated it, blah, blah, blah. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

And then, of course, the only thing that matters is Trump's willingness to use force. Like, Trump could literally just do more stuff like this. He could go and arrest James Comey. I mean, it's a question of, does Trump have to balls? That's why I called him Buchanan. To all the people, I want to say, it's all the people who are just like, trump's not losing. Trump's a winner. You let. You wake me up. When anyone from the Obama administration who we know is corrupt gets arrested, just. Just wake me up then. I'm not saying he's not doing anything, because they're clearly doing something. This is a nuclear bomb, and I'm very happy it's happening. But come on, you. You tell me when Trump actually gets a conviction of, like, Letitia James or Fani Willis or something for what they did, that was clearly corruption. Yeah. Trump can't even get Don Lemon arrested. I'm not blaming Trump for these things. There's an entrenched system that is resisting law enforcement. I'm just saying, you know, he's not winning every single time.

[Phil]

I would be happier to my, you know, to answer your question, the restitution, I'd be happier to have a secured election in the future. Presidencies, you know, open source voting software code, paper ballots that are double, triple, quadruple checked on, like a blockchain, that everyone can cross reference this multiple times. Something like super secured, as opposed to arresting Letitia James. I don't really care about who did what back then. I want the future to be better. So if that means that we have to forgive, I'm willing to.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

To focus on so much when I talk about remedy. Like, how do you. How do you fix it? Right? Like, how do you fix it going forward? How do you fix what happened in the past? And when I say fix it, do you. Like, I. I try to live in reality. That's why everybody calls me, like, a black villain and stuff. But, like, do you think that what you're doing just said is possible? You think they'll ever get it done.

[Phil]

Yeah, well, they can, but whether or not it's.

[Tim Pool]

They can, you have to. The point of putting people in jail.

[Ian Crossland]

And stuff, I want to be positive with you.

[Tim Pool]

The point of putting people in jail is to deter people from doing it in the future, right? Like, it's not like, oh, we got to get retribution. It's because if people think, oh, well, you know, they got away with it, so we're going to keep trying. You have to make sure people don't want to try this stuff. So it's not like, oh, we got to get them back. Whereas there are people that are going to make it out like that. They're going to say they want revenge. But the real point of putting people in jail is to deter this behavior, Right? Like, if people are like, I don't want to do that because they toss you in jail for 20 years, you lose your life, you know, not like capital punishment. I'm talking about you lose the important part of your life, you lose a lot of freedom years, you know, like, that's the stuff that'll keep people from doing it. So that's. That right there is reason enough. So it's not. Again, it's not about, you know, retribution and getting them back and blah, blah, blah.

[Ian Crossland]

It's.

[Tim Pool]

If you put people in jail, then people understand, you know, not to do this because they could end up in jail. Especially when you put people that are in, you know, positions of. Of power, positions of authority. Like, if people believe that, you know, anyone can be put in jail for it, then they. That deters them or deters, you know, deters other people from doing it. It.

[Phil]

Yeah. And also prevents the person from committing the offense again.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yeah, that does. True. Yeah, that. I mean, that's. And that's.

[Ian Crossland]

That's the reason we got to have the island. You know what I mean? Lisa agrees with the island.

[Tim Pool]

There we go.

[Phil]

Build a floating island.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, no. It already exists. Called Australia.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Oh, they did it once before.

[Phil]

What if we did it again? We're like, wait, I thought this was. It was normal. We're like, no, we're an actual country.

[Ian Crossland]

We cut a deal with Australia where it's like, we're not going to improve, imprison people. We're just going to send them your way.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

New Zealand. New Zealand is more for the criminals than Australia was.

[Phil]

Was it?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I don't know. New Zealand's kind of nice. Australia is where the giant spiders try to kill you.

[Tim Pool]

You can make an island.

[Phil]

Let's build a series of archipelagos on Greenland.

[Ian Crossland]

You see, you see that story of like, some. Some prankster raised an American flag in a Greenland flagpole or something.

[Tim Pool]

Did he really?

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Is day one.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that means it's ours now, right?

[Savannah Craven]

No, no.

[Ian Crossland]

Money exchange, actually. It's just like, you know, if you stand in their town hall and declare it, it, it just is.

[Tim Pool]

It's Capture the flag. Yeah. King of the Hill. It's ours.

[Ian Crossland]

There. There was a time when a handful of guys standing in a building could change a government, which is really funny. That's it.

[Tim Pool]

That's what.

[Ian Crossland]

We're in charge now.

[Tim Pool]

It's like, okay, I guess that's what people were behaving like on January 6th. They're like, oh, they're going to take over the government. It's like, look, man, the US Government isn't a game of Capture the Flag. It's not King of the Hill. Just because they're in the capital doesn't mean that Joe Biden's not going to get inaugurated. That's ridiculous. Anyone that. That seriously said, oh, you know, they're going to. They're going to. Actually, they're not going to let. Let Joe Biden become the president. That was ridiculous notion.

[Ian Crossland]

How would you guys feel if there was no midterm election?

[Tim Pool]

Depends on the.

[Ian Crossland]

You would feel strange.

[Phil]

Very weird.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, you'd be tingling.

[Phil]

Yeah. You'd be like, my senses would be going erratic.

[Tim Pool]

Depends on the context.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, Donald Trump cancels the election.

[Phil]

I'd be very pissed off.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's say that they uncover evidence in like seven states showing that Democrats have cheated. I'm not saying proof. Evidence. They're like, here's fraudulent ballots, here's proof. They held a bunch of hearings on it. And then Trump says, we clearly cannot have these elections because they're compromised. So we have to have federal oversight and redo this and to take six months or something. So the election's postponed.

[Phil]

I would hope it would come from Congress and not from one guy's mouth. That amount of authority.

[Ian Crossland]

Congress can't do anything.

[Phil]

I would never want one guy to have the ability to cancel a state's elections against its will.

[Ian Crossland]

We're talking about federal elections.

[Savannah Craven]

It's so interesting that you mentioned that, because I had a leftist tell me at a protest a week and a half ago that Trump was going to not allow elections to happen in the future because he's been putting all of his people in there, trying to see what they're doing.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

So he makes jokes in his rallies alluding to that, but I don't think he's doing it.

[Ian Crossland]

How would you. How would you feel if he did a couple scenarios? How would you feel if Donald Trump just came out and said, we're not doing it?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I kind of like, I'm kind of getting in on the dictator bus, you know that. So, like, man, I'd be fine with him.

[Savannah Craven]

Yeah. If Trump's a dictator, then we can have him for a while, you know.

[Tim Pool]

No, I mean, I don't like it, to be honest.

[Ian Crossland]

Why don't you like it?

[Phil]

I don't want a dictator.

[Ian Crossland]

He doesn't have that long. Why?

[Phil]

I don't want to set the precedent of allowing one guy to cancel elections.

[Ian Crossland]

Why?

[Phil]

Because it feels antithetical to the people.

[Ian Crossland]

Care about what feels.

[Phil]

It seems as if it should not be part of the American ethos.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, I'm going to try this again. For what functional reason do you oppose this?

[Phil]

Because of the precedent it sets. Unless you're saying it's already legal.

[Ian Crossland]

What precedent does it set?

[Phil]

You're saying if, if the president said, you know what, I want to cancel.

[Ian Crossland]

Eight states elections, he said, just no election at all.

[Phil]

No presidential election, no midterm election, no midterm elections. States you can't.

[Ian Crossland]

So. So I'm going to be very specific.

[Phil]

I'd be like, how do you guy over my government?

[Ian Crossland]

My question is, for what functional reason is that not good?

[Phil]

Because in four years, if a guy wants to do it again, he's got precedent. And then people will be.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't want that.

[Phil]

That function to be put in place.

[Ian Crossland]

Why?

[Phil]

Because it's too much power to put into one guy's hands.

[Ian Crossland]

Why? I'm asking you for the function only.

[Phil]

Because I've read history about when oligarchs take power and when demagogues take full authoritarian power. And it usually is very, very bad.

[Ian Crossland]

In what way?

[Phil]

Because then the next person that comes in often is way worse.

[Ian Crossland]

In what way?

[Phil]

They're more willing to use force.

[Ian Crossland]

In what way?

[Phil]

Sending in troops and killing civilians and children. Poisoning people.

[Ian Crossland]

So let's, let's just try this because my point was, for what functional reason is it bad we have a dictator. You could have said autocratic regimes typically kill civilians and oppress people with and take their rights away. That is the functional reason there's been benevolent dictators.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Like who in Spain?

[Ian Crossland]

Franco?

[Phil]

Pisistratus. Pisistratus. The guy that founded Athens was an exceptionally benevolent.

[Ian Crossland]

Who was that based Roman guy. So Cincinnatus.

[Phil]

Yeah, he was cool.

[Ian Crossland]

Was he the guy who was like, I don't want to be emperor. I'm out of here.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna go.

[Phil]

I think he did his job. And then he was like, I'm done. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

They're like, no. Be emperor forever.

[Savannah Craven]

Like, nah.

[Phil]

Pisistratus. I think that's how you say his name was. The Greek dude. He wandered into Athens when it was just this fishing village. And he had this one beautiful woman with me. He's like, this is Athena. Bow down to me. And they all did. They were gone. And then he ruled Athens as their God, basically, and turned it into the greatest trade. Trade hub on earth. As in the call him a benevolent dictator. And then when he was gone, it was gone.

[Ian Crossland]

So you don't want that.

[Phil]

I don't think we need. Well, I don't. That would be cool if it could happen, but it would be weird.

[Ian Crossland]

How could it happen? How a guy. So. So it's. Is it possible that one man could assume the power like this? What was his name? Pissistratus or Piss?

[Phil]

I don't think it's like Piss. I don't think it's Piss.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I don't think it's Piss.

[Phil]

But he's spelled like that. P I, S A.

[Ian Crossland]

Would you want him to transform America into a beautiful shining city on hill?

[Phil]

It'd be cool, but with the Internet, I don't think it's possible. It's too much information.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not saying if it's possible. I'm saying if he could do it, would you want him?

[Phil]

If a man could do it. If a man could wave the magic wand and we are now a republic again, a shining republican. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, no, no, no. A dictatorship.

[Phil]

No, I don't want it. Everybody's struggling. What's that?

[Ian Crossland]

A dictatorship where everyone's happy and there's no one being oppressed.

[Phil]

I'd be honest.

[Savannah Craven]

We have to remove the country for everyone to be happy.

[Tim Pool]

Aristotle said that a dictate. A benevolent dictator is the best kind of government. And a.

[Ian Crossland]

He said philosopher king. King.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah, but benevolent king.

[Tim Pool]

Benevolent. Well, benevolent king is the best and the worst. The worst is a tyrannical king.

[Phil]

Oh, yeah, that's.

[Ian Crossland]

I disagree with that. I don't think he understood what bureaucracy was like.

[Phil]

You might be wrong because it's awful.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, like bureaucratic communistic dictatorship is worse than a king.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I agree.

[Phil]

Depends on the king, but yeah, generally it's the worst. I think corporate bureaucracy communistic is the worst.

[Ian Crossland]

If you have.

[Tim Pool]

If you have a. If you have a king but you have an armed populace that can revolt, then you incentivize the king to be good to the population. A king that. If you don't have an armed population, then you've got a significant problem.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I'm liking the way it sounds, but, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If you have an armed populace that can revolt and go after the king, then the king is not just incentivized by doing good for his people and making sure that history looks at him as a positive thing, but also, you.

[Ian Crossland]

Know, Come on over to my side, Phil.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Come on over.

[Phil]

What king could rule effectively with the threat of overthrow from his people? You'd have to disarm the population.

[Tim Pool]

No, you wouldn't.

[Ian Crossland]

No, they're your people. You own them not.

[Tim Pool]

No, you're the king.

[Phil]

What if you had their subject to you?

[Ian Crossland]

What about this, Ian? What if the United States operated identically as it does now, but it had a king? That meant localities ran their own jurisdictions, cities voted on their own laws, city councils, state governors, legislatures. But there was a king.

[Phil]

You probably see a lot more dead in Minnesota today than. Than if we had a republic like we do.

[Ian Crossland]

Why?

[Phil]

Because the king wouldn't tolerate any of that noise?

[Tim Pool]

No, no. There's a lot of assumptions.

[Ian Crossland]

You're creating a fictional king in your head. I'm talking about the function of the office, not what one tyrannical person would do. If you want to imagine there's an evil desperate, like, I'll kill people for no reason, well, then we. You can get a president who does that. You can get a president who's gonna be like, I'm gonna go kill a bunch of people.

[Phil]

I think that small revolts or like, small riots are much more. They threaten a king much more than they threaten a republic. Like, a republic, we can handle a small riot revolution in a city, or even if state government goes kind of crazy, the rest of us can kind of handle that. A king. You cannot allow people to start to show strength against you. You have to have mechanical, autocratic control.

[Tim Pool]

Jordan's got a king, and he's very popular. Who? Jordan's got a king and he's very popular.

[Phil]

He's like the benevolent kind of thing. Jordan, I don't know.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Saint Ferdinand, Spain. There's a whole bunch of them. There's one in Yugoslavia. There's like. If you. If you ask AI to list you, your benevolent dictators and kings, it'll give you a whole long list.

[Tim Pool]

I'll do that.

[Phil]

Well, I'll go, but it feels like regression.

[Ian Crossland]

My point with this line of questioning, this conversation is largely just that. A Lot of people in this country don't actually understand why it is that it's bad to have an autocrat. They'll just be like, because it is. Because we shouldn't. But they don't actually know. And the nuance of the American Revolution was largely that Parliament was oppressing the colonies. It wasn't just that the king was bad, King George was bad, and they petitioned the king to actually assist. They wanted a voice in Parliament. They wouldn't get one Right. So at the time, Britain had a parliamentary. They had a. They had a king and they had a parliament. They had people who are, you know, voting on these things. And I love that line from the greatest movie ever made, the Patriot, where Mel Gibson says, tell me, why would I trade 1 despot 3,000 miles away for 3,000 despots 1 mile away? And then everyone laughs.

[Phil]

Yeah. It was Lord north that was the prime minister at the time. The single head that was the real villain in the. In the revolution was Lord North. He was obsessed with. With crushing the colonists. Yeah.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I think there just has to be a little more structure to society more than what we have now, because right now, most of the people in America are slaves to their own desires. And I think that you cannot be free unless you have a framework to work within. And right now, it's like lost chaos.

[Ian Crossland]

Chaos.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

It's just a mess.

[Ian Crossland]

We have to get one more story in. This is big news, ladies and gentlemen. Trump officials met with Canadian separatists. British Columbia premier alleges treason. Looks like we're taking Canada, boys. It's happening. This is the plan.

[Phil]

What if.

[Ian Crossland]

What if Trump really does foment secessionist? You know, Quebec declares independence, and then British Columbia and then Canada breaks apart.

[Tim Pool]

What are they going to do about it? What are they going to do about it? Nothing.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I just think there's. Everything that's going on is so wild right now.

[Ian Crossland]

Should the United States assist the separatists in declaring independence from their perspective?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

No, I don't care about them at all.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Not unless we can get something out of it. Absolutely not. Leave them alone.

[Phil]

You know, I'd rather that the US Is doing all this crazy shit than, like, just watching it all happen around us in the world right now. Like you said earlier, it's so nuts what all these changes that are happening.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm glad we're like, our government is.

[Phil]

Active and, like, aggressively pioneering the change, because it could easily have been Biden sleeping on his hands.

[Tim Pool]

You were just saying how much you don't want a king, but now you want the government to aggressively interact with.

[Ian Crossland]

The rest of the world.

[Phil]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

I don't want to.

[Phil]

I want massive American hegem. I love American ethos, but I don't want to.

[Ian Crossland]

Things you think should. Should the world operate under the whims of the United States?

[Tim Pool]

Clearly, yes.

[Phil]

If they want it. If they want it. I won't let a tyrant stop them.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you been watching Fallout?

[Phil]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

So spoiler alert. I'm gonna spoil the show for people who haven't caught up to every episode, but it's relevant to conversation because the plot in season two. Spoiler alert. Again, this is like. I mean, look, if you've watched up, like, episode three, you're not gonna. I'm not spoiling anything for you. But the plot is basically around this guy. He's in New Vegas, and he's got chips that can overwrite the brains of wastelanders. So psychopathic murderers who are screaming and fighting, he plugs this thing on their neck, presses a button, and they go, whoa, I'm sorry about that. I don't know what came over me. And then they start sweeping the floor and cleaning things up. And the. The conundrum for the main character is, is it better to have peaceful slavery or destructive chaos and freedom? So I ask you, Ian, is it better that when you say, if they want. So if there is a nation where the king mandates children get raped and he's selling his children to warlords, basically Epstein country, should the US Be like, nah, if the US can, should they go and subjugate that and stop them from doing it?

[Phil]

Not on its own, but if there's enough global push against it, then I feel like the globe should stand up for the children.

[Ian Crossland]

The globe.

[Phil]

Enough countries like the U.N. we have kind of generic.

[Tim Pool]

You know, people don't always like that.

[Phil]

But some sort of global consensus that we have to protect the kids.

[Ian Crossland]

Global consensus, something.

[Phil]

So it's not just America.

[Ian Crossland]

I like where he's going with this. So let's try this again. Let's say. Let's say the United States then proposes a global vote, and all the countries of the world come to a big meeting, and Donald Trump goes, listen, this small island nation is abusing kids. It's gotta stop. So we propose we're gonna stop the rape. And then 62% of the countries vote in favor of child rape. Should we just go, okay, we'll allow it?

[Phil]

Oh, like if this is a UN vote or something.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, you said if they vote for it, so what if they Vote the other way.

[Phil]

62%. So you're saying 30. I mean, 33%'s a lot of people on earth what disagree with you say.

[Ian Crossland]

If there's a global consensus. What if the global consensus is in favor of China? Child rape.

[Phil]

I mean, if I was, I would not issue an invasion. If I was the president over that, to a sovereign kingdom that's horrifying their. Their children. I wouldn't. I don't think it's just.

[Tim Pool]

What about a Commonwealth, British country? Well, now, no, no, you said a sovereign kingdom. You know, what about a republic?

[Phil]

Was a king.

[Tim Pool]

What about a republic?

[Ian Crossland]

Again, I'm just. I'm just pointing out that sovereign nation. These questions are impossibilities for any world leader. It's rock and a hard place. You said it was a global consensus. Shut them down. You would. But what would you do if the consensus in the other direction, supporting it and trying to shut you down for stopping it.

[Tim Pool]

Tough one, huh?

[Phil]

Build a consensus.

[Ian Crossland]

This is why you are not the president, Ian. This is why it is hard.

[Phil]

I never ranald Trump. The reason I'm not is because I haven't run yet.

[Tim Pool]

Is that the only reason?

[Phil]

Also, I'm not gonna have the real talk about this on tv. Like, if you really want a war game stuff, you can't everybody.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, in the uncensored portion, Certainly not.

[Phil]

I bring this up because, no, it's not going live.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, the reason why I'm less animated over a lot of these issues, like Epstein stuff, for instance. I think Trump flubbed this one really, really bad. I think they should be releasing this stuff. I'm glad that they're at least saying they're going to do it, but we'll see what happens. They're in. I think they're. They're past the deadline, so I'm not happy with it.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's a fourth.

[Ian Crossland]

But I fully recognize. You have no idea the difficult positions that world leaders are in. They're going to come to you and they're going to be like, Ian, here's two manila folders. You open one, and it's like a busload of school children are about to fall off, fall from the Brooklyn Bridge, and they open another one. The love of your life is about to fall to her death from the Brooklyn Bridge. You can only choose to save one or the other. What do you do?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Definitely saving my level.

[Phil]

You gotta do the.

[Ian Crossland]

Obviously you save both the same time because you're Spider Man.

[Phil]

True. It's true. We pull out all the stocks Always make a movie about it.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

But seen in that.

[Ian Crossland]

My point is Trump is probably present on a daily basis with circumstances where both outcomes are bad. Yeah. Well, actually, a really good example of this. Right now, the Democrats are proposing that immigration enforcement may only occur after a judicial warrant is issued. They're arguing that because. So it's contradictory in a sense. Supreme Court has ruled, and the Constitution upholds that immigration is completely under the purview of the executive branch. The executive branch has immigration courts which issue warrants, but these are not judiciary branch warrants. The Democrats are demanding before the executive branch can take any action on immigration, they have to go to a judge to get approval. If that happens, there will be no immigration enforcement. The argument from the Democrat side is you can't go into a home without a warrant.

[Tim Pool]

True.

[Ian Crossland]

Fourth Amendment. The argument from the right, the executive branches. If we know a fugitive from the law is in a building, we can enter without a warrant. Exigent circumstances. There is a circumstance where if they know a fugitive has entered this building recently, they can enter without a warrant. Anyone can. It's exigent circumstances. However, they are arguing that they will go to a house where they know the person lives and argue we can enter. Right now, the left is saying it's a violation of the Fourth Amendment. So you have to choose your pick, your poison. I ask you this, Ian, in this argument, should we have no immigration enforcement because we're not gonna be able to get through the courts? It's impossible. We've got 20 million. Or should we be able to enter homes with only administrative warrants from the executive branch?

[Phil]

Well, have they put this to the courts yet?

[Ian Crossland]

This is actually an ongoing debate, and the leftist Democrats are trying to pass a law that would make it a requirement. The question is, should it be?

[Tim Pool]

I don't think so.

[Ian Crossland]

It sounds like it defeats the purpose of the function of ICE operations. Yeah. So then you're going to have circumstances where ICE agents show up to a house and they walk in without a warrant. They walk in without a judicial warrant. So this means that an executive branch official says, you can go in the House.

[Phil]

Oh, my God.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy.

[Phil]

That. That is not good.

[Ian Crossland]

That is not certainly bad. The alternative is we can't deport anybody because they just sit inside the house and say, you can't come in. Because you go to these judges and they say, you can't go in the House. No.

[Phil]

And they gotta do like a sting on the guy and wait for him outside and chase him down when they.

[Ian Crossland]

See him in Public, which means, effectively, it will be impossible to deport even a million people because they will claim sanctuary in any building they can. So again, I'm not advocating running them food.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

They could just stay in there and have people run.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not advocating for either system. I'm pointing out there is a serious conundrum. There's no easy answer. This is what irks me about these. These people right now. And they're like, you know, the. The Second Amendment allows me to bring my gun to a protest. Shut up. Don't care. I'm not playing this stupid game. Preddy was not protesting. He was part of a group that was intending to break the law to commit felonies, and he brought a gun to go do it. He shouldn't have died. I'm sad that he died. It's. It's sad that people are being radicalized like this, but it's a circumstance he created. You got a rock and a hard place. And in war, Abraham Lincoln says, I'm putting the boot down, and he's a hero. There's, you know, we. We live in this golden age where people just think, you can have whatever you want. We've got shootouts. We've got vehicles being rammed in Chicago. You've got ICE agents shooting people who are dragging them from vehicles. Happened twice and was. Once in Florida, once in Chicago. You've got. Now it's happening in Minnesota. And there are people who genuinely believe that life is anything but conflict. War is the natural state of human existence. Unfortunately, it is rare that there is not war for humans. And these.

[Savannah Craven]

And.

[Ian Crossland]

And so many people right now, especially during the woke period and during the Bolshevik revolution, they think, I'll just keep my head down and it'll all go away. And then they get killed. The reality is might makes. There's no such thing as might making anything right. Certainly some people will argue it's. It's right after the fact. Like Abraham Lincoln was right. They'll say, but does it matter whether it's morally right or morally wrong? Might makes period. And if you have no might, you don't exist.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Phil]

Power, Power. You know, Mao did say it comes out of the barrel of a gun or it was a government authority. Comes out of the barrel of a gun. Also out of the throat of your mouth. You. You do have a lot of power. You might not.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's. Let's all celebrate the morally superior rabbit being eaten by the wolf.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

A state's legitimacy is only based on its monopoly of force.

[Phil]

Yep, that is true. But Also, a state's ability to persist is based on its constitution or its.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Monopoly on force, kind of.

[Phil]

But usually autocratic forces, government get destroyed. They get overturned from within.

[Ian Crossland]

Usually it seems that means they lost the monopoly on force.

[Phil]

Well, like in the US we kind of.

[Ian Crossland]

When there's a duopoly on force, you know, we call that. Ian.

[Tim Pool]

Like local cops.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no. A duopoly on force.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

What's that called?

[Phil]

Well, I mean, maybe you have a better word.

[Ian Crossland]

Civil war.

[Phil]

Well, I think we have police and then we have federal forces. So we. We kind of don't have a monopoly and do.

[Ian Crossland]

How many movies have you seen where the cop is on the crime scene to get a donut and a guy comes and goes, out of the way, officer, this is my crime scene now. And he goes, oh, who's at the feds in.

[Phil]

But look at. Look at Minnesota. Who has the monopoly? They're nobody.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why we are saying civil war.

[Phil]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

I just think this is federal supremacy. When Trump sends in the feds, they cannot be like, we're going to organize at a state level an institutionalized paramilitary group to commit felonies. This is insane that it's happening. And the reason I'm going to say it again, Trump, is Buchanan, is because, for the love of all that is holy, state reps are organizing insurgency, and we are seeing nothing even said about it. Now, I'll give them some slack. I'm going to calm down. Maybe behind the scenes they are doing something, but I'm not cutting them any slack because we've not seen any strong action outside of. There's been some great policy stuff, but come on. Letitia James on mortgage fraud. Adam Schiff on mortgage fraud. It's weak. It's weak. And you know what? I'm not trying to rag on them and say they're not trying, but if they're not capable, they're not capable. Don Lemon should be in jail.

[Phil]

They are. They're busting their ass with what they got, which is the head of a republic. It's not. It's not a monarchy where they just go smash.

[Ian Crossland]

Within months of Biden getting into office, they were hunting down J6ers and locking them up.

[Phil]

I know, but these guys. Well, I don't speak. I don't know for sure, but I feel like the Trump admins trying to do it right. They're trying not to go hunt people down.

[Ian Crossland]

Perhaps. I mean, well, my friends, citizens, I say this, I say perhaps, but we're gonna go to Your Rumble rants and chat. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Subscribe right now to this channel. The uncensored show will be up at [e-mail] timcast irl. But before we go to your chance, we got a great sponsor. It is B Beam dream. Go to shop B-E-A-M.com timpool and you can get up to 30% off your beam Dream. No joke. I drink this stuff every night. It is your nighttime blend to support better sleep. They got cinnamon, cocoa flavor, brownie batter, sea salt, caramel, chocolate, peanut butter. It is delicious. It's got L theanine, reishi, magnesium, melatonin. And I drink it every night. Not kidding. And I sleep in sleep like a rock. I was gonna say baby, but anybody with baby knows babies don't sleep that well.

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Phil]

Yep. Good stuff. I want it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. All right, let's go to your chats and rants and see what y' all are on about. Now let's see. Trees says I Wish Trump was 25% of the Hitler dictator they say he is is just even 25, you know, just even 25.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Just a touch.

[Tim Pool]

He doesn't even. He doesn't have to be Hitler. He could just be like, you know, a dictator.

[Ian Crossland]

He doesn't.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I love that. I'm like pulling every. To the dictator side.

[Phil]

He a little bit holds grudges.

[Ian Crossland]

All right. Force name changes. As an Albertan, I've got to say, despite my admiration of us and strategic economic advantages of becoming a 51st state, I wouldn't join you. I don't want to get rats from you dirty bastards.

[Tim Pool]

You couldn't be a state either because states would be allowed to vote and you guys aren't going to be allowed to vote your territory.

[Ian Crossland]

But Rock Rob says, hey, Phil, love the band and loving the anti fragile record, but I need you to expand your tour, bro. Can't make it all the way out there from Kansas.

[Tim Pool]

Not this time. Sorry, man.

[Ian Crossland]

Looks like a bunch of the rumble rants are gone. That's unfortunate. Igbale says, is it time for rednecks with big trucks mounted with USA flags and loaded for. For bear? It's always to defend upon.

[Phil]

Oh, I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

Defend to descend upon. You mean Minnesota.

[Phil]

No, that part I don't. I just think big trikes.

[Ian Crossland]

Marks lives says, can a republic survive a communist revolution and revolutionary tactics? The historical track record isn't good. Indeed, a liberal system like the one that we have, and I don't mean liberals, I mean the traditional liberal idea of classical liberalism. It's. It's. It's too susceptible to this. The live and let live model will always be crushed. And guys, there's a fundamental truth. Those who want to be left alone, up against those who want to conquer always lose. Ask our good friends in Catalonia how it's going for them. Just, that's the way it is.

[Phil]

Another thing Plato said is, you know, you take interest in government or government is going to take interest in you.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep. Let's see what else we got going on over here. Get some of these super chats, huh? See what the people are on about.

[Phil]

Give it to me.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, let's see. Don says, how is Timmy not in jail or commit treason?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Timmy Walls, not you.

[Ian Crossland]

Because I didn't know.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I knew as soon as you read that.

[Ian Crossland]

I was like, don't look at me. What did I do?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

No, Tim Walls.

[Ian Crossland]

Because treason is aiding an enemy during a time of war. Seditious conspiracy. Indeed. And he's not because Trump is Buchanan. I Don't think Trump cares all that much, and I don't think so. We'll see. We'll see.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I think he's afraid to not like afraid, but I think he just don't want to look bad. He doesn't want people not to like him.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, Gregor says you guys have been throwing the R word around a lot. I will be willing to part with a R word pass if y' all will shout. Shout my son's give send go to help fix his teeth. It's help Alfie fight. Thank y' all and God bless. Deal. Thank you.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

What's the help Alfie fight. Dot. What is the last part?

[Savannah Craven]

Gibson, go.

[Ian Crossland]

Alfie fight.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Help Alfie fight. Let's do it.

[Phil]

You got this.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Teeth are very important.

[Phil]

Huge. Connected to the nerves.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Everything.

[Phil]

Yeah, all the nerves.

[Ian Crossland]

Azl knife says can we place bets on call she that Mr. Poole will say we're in a civil war in the next episode. You would lose because what did I say when asked?

[Phil]

That you would put a million dollars on it and then not.

[Ian Crossland]

No, that I said I didn't know. And it's hard to tell. But if it's saying you would say.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

The word in the next episode.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I said we're in one because we're in a civil war, which I've not said. I've said we don't know. It's possible. But I guarantee you, if at any point we are in a discernible and very obvious civil war, they will have said it began a while ago. All right, Chief Corey Anderson says there are some beautiful ladies on IRL tonight.

[Phil]

Appreciate that.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Hey, sir.

[Ian Crossland]

DC Angry Cops did a great breakdown of the latest event. Everyone needs to check it out. I'll be finishing the show at 4am While I wake up. Right on. All right, what have we here? JW says to quote Eminem, I am whatever you say I am. Because if I wasn't, then why would you say I am? That actually is a great line. I do like it. Yeah, but it's like. It's an insult. Like, you're not a liar, you know? Right. You're not lying, are you? All right, Noir. Nicosia says Alex Preddy, Renee Goode and the left had no issue when Obama unalived American citizens. Trump is absolved from any criticism. Trump's PR team should repeat this ad nauseam. I agree. Trump should go out. And when they go, Mr. President, what do you say about the people claiming that, you know, isis a Gestapo, he should go. Well, it was pretty bad when Abdul Rahman Al Awlaki was killed by Barack Obama. And of course you know that all of these people that are upset were out in the streets over this. What's that? They weren't. Spare me your lies. You don't care. You never cared.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I wasn't asking you that. We have to focus on what's going on now.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I'm sorry, what were we focused on?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

How come we're doing this stuff with.

[Ian Crossland]

Ice and, you know, look, it is tough that as a 16 year old kid who got killed by Barack Obama, he was an American citizen. So I agree. It's very tragic. And I would argue that it is deeply upsetting that the people who are out protesting today did not protest that Barack Obama murdered an American citizen. And it's not to go back and say, focus on a past president. It's to say, what does the precedent set when an American president kills American citizens and you don't actually care. I gotta tell you, no one will believe you when you cry wolf.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

That's called staying on your island in congressional media training.

[Ian Crossland]

Staying on your island. Yeah.

[Phil]

Just talk about your plan.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Just talk. You just. If whatever they say, just take it back to what you want to say and just continue.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but they don't do it.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Well, they don't. They don't. That's why they need more media training.

[Ian Crossland]

Ugh. They're just so bad. You have to do it in a condescending and insulting manner. Like I am intentionally not answering what they. What they do is they'll be like, well, I'm deeply troubled by what we're seeing with ice. And as you know, ICE is involved in enforcement operations. And the American people voted for this. The American people voted for a lot of things, one of which was, of course, immigration, but also a good economy. And that's why I think the economy needs to get some focus right here. And nobody wants to talk about now Trump's working on an economic plan. That's the basic boring politician pivot. No, you need to go. When they ask the question, like Trump does, that's a stupid question. Let's talk about the economy and something people actually care about. I like when he does that. Well, he just insults them.

[Phil]

I would be.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Senator Kennedy's pretty good too, because he.

[Ian Crossland]

Makes every stupid question.

[Phil]

I think rather than condescending, I would be stupid. I would make them think I was stupid. Like, I would keep answering the question wrong and they'd be like, why won't he? He really thinks I'm asking him about Barack Obama blowing up.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, no. If you want to be real dumb when they ask you about, like, you know, people in Minnesota protesting right now, be like, well, you know, we're going to try and help out these protesters, get the lower prices on corn they've been fighting for, and I think, you know, we'll have a bill in Congress. I'm asking them to get the food prices down. No, no, sir, you misunderstand. They're protesting ICE operations. Well, it is icy up there. I mean, a climate change, I guess, has been a big concern for them, but, you know, we could see about helping them salt the roads, maybe for the issues with ice. No, we're talking about immigration enforcement.

[Phil]

So am I. Oh. Anyway, I have to.

[Ian Crossland]

But then you just, you just, you just go again, be like, well, you know, it's. Immigration is forceful, and I know there's a lot of these people are protesting because there's too much immigration. So, you know, I guess we'll have to. But I appreciate the question. If the protests want less immigration, then. Then I'll work with Congress to reduce it. Yeah, you just keep getting it wrong. They're going to go, oh. The funniest thing you can do in a debate if you're just trying to antagonize is intentionally not understand their point because you can't argue with someone who's too. Too stupid to understand what you're saying.

[Phil]

And when they don't know you're. You're not. You're being fake is so funny to me when the other person can't tell you're all right.

[Ian Crossland]

What do we got here, Nolan? Bus says, are you guys doing any hangouts while you're down in Florida? Not yet. Not for the time being. We. We. We got to figure out what our plans are. So we're looking at a few things, and it's seeming increasingly likely that we will be down here for the foreseeable future. So we have to figure out what we're doing studio wise. And then obviously, all the staff has logistic issues. There is a small, very small probability we go back to West Virginia if we can accommodate a security. Something for security. So right now we're looking at what can we do security wise, and is it possible? And it seemed like the answer is overwhelmingly no. But the other problem is we don't have a studio in Florida. This is a temporary. This is rumble space. And I know that we can use it forever, so we're not entirely sure. And I will say, this got an itchy eye. I will say, if we can't get proper security. I will prioritize the safety and well being. Well being of everybody over the show. So I think we'll figure something out. But it's looking like it's gonna be Florida. We'll find a place to do it. We have like a, a mobile rig that we build and set up so we can basically do the show from anywhere as long as we have an empty room. Cool stuff. All right, let's see we got here. Josh Gagner is what it says nothing against Nick Shirley. Glad he boosted the signal of the fraud that is happening in here in Minnesota. That being said, local news broke the store in October, November. He did not expose it himself. Well, agreed. He just went. Made a video that went viral. And I think the reason the video went viral largely was that no one had made a comprehensive video going around showing all of this stuff. We knew the fraud was happening for years. We didn't have someone actually go into the buildings and be like, hey, look, 15 businesses with no customer. That was, that was very, very revealing.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

It's also revealing that the, the local news is not like the, the. The media climate has changed and that local news isn't getting the attention that deserves and that podcasters and independent journalists are able to spread the word better. That's all it is.

[Ian Crossland]

What does it say? Lady Argio? I don't know what your name is. I tuned out for a second until you said my favorite magic words. Off topic. Today is 29th of January, 2026 and I still want my ne.

[Phil]

I wonder what the magic words were.

[Ian Crossland]

Ian, would you get a norlink?

[Phil]

I don't want to implant it, but I would put a hat on that I could go into the net and then take it.

[Ian Crossland]

If you were blind, you could be a wizard then.

[Tim Pool]

I am a wizard.

[Ian Crossland]

No, but you could.

[Phil]

You could.

[Ian Crossland]

You could be a wizard. You could go into a wizard universe and fly around and cast spells.

[Phil]

I like this universe, but I wouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

Wizard.

[Ian Crossland]

You wouldn't want to go into Baldur's Gate and get to play Baldur's Gate first person?

[Phil]

No, Video games are like. The more real life gets, more fun, the more boring video games get. I don't know if you. Do you guys feel like that too?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Video games are. Are. Well, I mean, video games just suck these days.

[Phil]

They're like blocky. You can only do so much in a video game. In real life, you have total autonomy. Like full. I can go.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes, but somewhere else already now with like, we. We've talked about this years ago. That the chat GPT companion in Skyrim. You can literally say anything right now, Tim.

[Phil]

I don't want it.

[Ian Crossland]

Out of my. You can say whatever you want. I would make a large bet to the world right now. Ian will jump into that machine in two seconds, dude.

[Phil]

I'll have eight games going at once, controlling them all with my thoughts. I'll have 15 YouTube videos all playing at the same time.

[Ian Crossland]

But imagine this. Imagine you get the neural link and you can live stream your universe. Yeah, people are going to watch that because in your universe, you can do anything you want.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

That's degenerate, bro.

[Ian Crossland]

You're going to be like. You're going to be. You're going to be a Jedi. And people are gonna be like, I want to watch Ian just do Jedi stuff. And you go in and there's like. Just like a youngling. And you just go and throw them off a cliff.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

The world God gave us.

[Phil]

It'd be like, dude, the neural net would be. Instead of me giving up a monologue to a camera, it would be me thinking about me doing a monologue to a camera. It would be the same thing.

[Tim Pool]

Just in my mind.

[Ian Crossland]

They would be watching. The stream would be like any normal video game stream, but you would be in it, experiencing it. So people would only hear what you say. You vote for your local mayor.

[Phil]

This coming, like, just propagandize people with.

[Ian Crossland]

Political rhetoric while watch you slaughter younglings in the Jedi Temple, massacring children.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

I don't know.

[Phil]

Would you guys get the neural net?

[Ian Crossland]

No, I wouldn't.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Would you answer that?

[Ian Crossland]

Like, I agree with you. If it's a. If it's a hat, would you.

[Phil]

If it was a hat?

[Savannah Craven]

No, no.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, where you. I don't even want.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I don't even want, like, chat GPT or anything like that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I do the hat.

[Phil]

What about voice commands for your machine?

[Lisa Elizabeth]

We already have that.

[Phil]

You use it.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

I used to talk to text.

[Phil]

What about eyes?

[Ian Crossland]

It's going to happen whether you want it to or not. And. And I'll tell you why it's gonna happen. And here's what's gonna happen, Lisa. You're gonna be old and your kids are gonna be like, mom, you need to get a neural link because I can't even. I can't even call you on the net. And you're gonna be like, I use a cell phone. It's like, nobody has cell phones anymore, Mom. No one has a phone. Just. I'm gonna get you one. And just use it when I call you. And you're gonna be like, okay, fine. And then you're gonna be. You'll be like, I don't know how this thing works, Mom. If I call you just put it on. And you're gonna put it on, and you're gonna be in, like, a living room with your kids, and you're gonna use it. Only for that, but the whole world will use it. And your kids are gonna be like, well, my company switched to All Neural Net. We don't use Zoom anymore. So I had to get one. And a Gen Alpha guy is gonna apply for a job when he's 25 or 30. And they're going to be like, and what's your neural link identifier number? And he's going to go, oh, I. I don't use Neural Net. And they'll be like, then how do we get in touch with you? And it's going to be like, well, you can call me on my phone. Yeah, no one here uses phones. I'm sorry, Neural. That's a requirement for this office. Like, you can't even get on a plane these days without a cell phone.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

This. This makes you want to, like. Like, move to some rural location and start a coven or something.

[Ian Crossland]

I went to the airport coming here.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Like, just be away from everyone. I want to be in the Oswalds.

[Ian Crossland]

I went to United School. I need to get a ticket printed because the ticket they emailed me didn't have my TSA pre on it because it was broken. So I was like, I'll just go get one printed. And I went to the machine and I put in my number, and it said, where should we email your ticket? And I was like, okay, I guess put my email address. It emailed it to me, and when I opened it, it just opens the app and gives me the same busted ticket with no TSA pre. So I couldn't print a ticket out. And then I was like, what if my phone was dead? How is that. I have to have a phone to do this, man.

[Phil]

I tried to. I worked with Occupy Sandy in New York after Hurricane Sandy, and we did recovery, and I. My phone died. I didn't have a phone. It was literally impossible. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do the job.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

This is what's wrong with. We are working against nature.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's talk more about it. The uncensored portion of the show. We're gonna go over [e-mail] timcastirl so smash that like button. Subscribe to this channel. Share the show. We'll be heading over there in a second. You can follow me on X and Instagram. Instagram at Timcast Savannah, do you want to shout anything out?

[Savannah Craven]

Sure. I mean you can follow me at her patriot voice on YouTube. Got some awesome videos coming up. Went to Hollywood Pride this past weekend and was told I should get kirked. So that was interesting. More of that interaction coming out on Monday. People follow me on Instagram for funny little clips of liberals and me and.

[Phil]

Follow me at Ian Crossland anywhere on the Internet, primarily X. YouTube and Instagram is where I'm I'm at most of the days. Go to Graphene Movie if you haven't been to Graphene Movie yet and sign up for the mailing list. Check out the trailer, let me know what you think. And again at Ian Crossland. Lisa.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

Hey Lisa. Elizabeth On Twitter you don't have to follow me. If you want to find, go ahead. And you only got one more day of me. So I'll see you guys tomorrow.

[Tim Pool]

How self deprecating.

[Lisa Elizabeth]

It was stuff. This is my personality. You like it or leave it.

[Tim Pool]

I am filled. The remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on all that remains on online.com. we are going on tour this spring. We're starting in Albany on April 29th. We're going out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes. You can check out all that Remains music on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Ian Crossland]

We will see you [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out.