THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR w/ Tony Ortiz

Summary

Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL

Episode: "THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR w/ Tony Ortiz"
Date: January 28, 2026
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Guests: Tony Ortiz (Current Revolt), Libby Emmons, Phil Labonte, Ian Crossland

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Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL features Texas-based journalist Tony Ortiz and covers recent escalations in political rhetoric, government action, and media manipulation. Tim Pool and the crew discuss a broad spectrum of cultural and political issues, including a shocking campaign statement from an Ohio AG candidate threatening Trump, leftist versus right-wing organizational tactics, recent attacks and protests, and the broader implications for American society and future conflict.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Ohio AG Candidate’s Controversial Statement

[08:16-11:40]

• The Story: Elliot Forhan, Democratic candidate for Ohio Attorney General, publicly states he will “kill Donald Trump” using the legal system and capital punishment.
• Panel Reaction: The group agrees this is an extreme example of attention-seeking and political escalation.
  • “You can maybe get charges put against this guy. That’s all you can do.” – Tim Pool [10:40]
  • Ortiz and Emmons draw parallels to other politicians like Tish James and Alvin Bragg who campaigned on targeting Trump.
• Media’s Role: The conversation critiques media sensationalism and the ease with which such rhetoric becomes normalized.

2. Left-Wing Militancy vs. Right-Wing Disorganization

[16:13-22:34, 25:53-26:57, 33:01-38:12]

• Leftist Organization: The group details how leftist activists organize protests and incursions, forming effective mesh networks across states, with legal and communication infrastructure.
  • “The left is completely organized on every front. And the Democrats actually have a paramilitary wing and the right has nothing.” – Tim Pool [18:13]
• Right Wing’s Lack of Network: Conservatives, they argue, are disparate, lack communication, and have more to lose.
  • “I think part of that is that the right has more to lose… they’re business owners, they have families.” – Tony Ortiz [20:14]
  • Churches and small communities serve as loosely connected conservative hubs but lack operational unity.
• Actual Conflict Prospects: Tim is pessimistic about the right’s ability to win any organized conflict:
  • “If it all went tits up tomorrow, conservatives would be holding an empty bag saying, ‘what do we do?’ The left would be… three steps ahead of you.” – Tim Pool [21:16]

3. Analysis of Violence & Media Manipulation

[29:08-32:12, 52:08-54:13]

• The Alex Preddy Case:
  • Preddy, killed during clashes with CBP, is portrayed in the media using a doctored "glow up" photo to generate sympathy and galvanize suburban women.
  • “MSNBC gave Alex Preddy a tan, a stronger jawline, better teeth… Fact check: it’s real.” – Tim Pool [52:53]
• Fifth Generational Warfare:
  • The left utilizes ‘psyop’ tactics, baiting government violence to create viral recruitment tools.
  • The infamous Occupy Wall Street pepper spray incident is cited as a catalyst for a national movement.
  • “The tactic is ‘I’m not touching you.’ You must be perceived as the victim at all times to win public support.” – Tim Pool [45:05]

4. Encounters with Violence and Public Response

[38:05-41:06, 61:12-64:23]

• Ilhan Omar Attacked:
  • Omar is sprayed with an unknown liquid at an event. The incident is dissected for political motives and the predictable media narrative that will emerge.
  • “No right-wing organizer would advocate for something like this. So then the question is, who benefits when you watch this stuff?” – Tim Pool [63:56]
• Asymmetrical Reaction:
  • The panel emphasizes how Democrats tend to circle the wagons and even celebrate violence against political enemies, while Republicans generally condemn such acts even against adversaries.
  • “If you reversed the political leanings... the left would love this.” – Tony Ortiz [64:18]

5. Strategic Retreats and Trump’s Minneapolis ‘Pullout’

[59:58-62:00, 75:58-78:40]

• Trump’s Decision on ICE in Minneapolis:
  • The consensus is that Trump is retreating due to negative optics, lack of local support, or polling feedback.
  • “I kind of view it as a retreat… but... I hope we go into more cities and we continue doing this.” – Tony Ortiz [59:25]
  • “I want to wait and see what happens. I do think that... Kristi Noem's days are numbered.” – Phil Labonte [60:24]
• Bureaucratic and Political Constraints:
  • Details on Congressional inroads and EOs being undermined by local resistance and federal limitations.

6. Culture War, Demographics & The Coming Decade

[94:01-96:14]

• Cultural Shifts & Population Collapse:
  • Population declines and post-COVID economic effects are debated. Multiple panelists express skepticism about official narratives and statistics, suggesting more significant societal transformations underway.
• Red vs. Blue Migration:
  • Interactive Polls Census forecast shows Republican strongholds (like Texas and Florida) gaining Congressional seats as Democrat states lose population.
  • “Texas Gains four new seats. Florida gains four… California is going to lose four.” – Tim Pool [94:43]

7. Societal Cohesion, Infrastructure & Open Borders

[115:08-117:49]

• Dangers of Naiveté in Globalism:
  • Stories are shared about Westerners naively exploring or moving to less stable foreign environments with disastrous results, highlighting American exceptionalism and the complexity of cultural integration.
  • “We do have a false perception… values are earned… they don’t just happen naturally. You have to fight for it.” – Libby Emmons [117:30]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Left’s Tactical Edge:
  • “The left has organized insurgent networks that are on standby. The right doesn’t even have mutual aid groups the way the left does.” — Tim Pool [20:49]
• On Right’s Predicament:
  • “If you are not concerned about what we learned is going out with the insurgent groups in Minnesota and you’re sitting there saying, ‘I’ve got guns and I die for my family. Tim, you’re wrong.’ Congratulations. …But who are you with? Where are you going? Where does your water come from?” — Tim Pool [23:05]
• On Fifth Generational Warfare:
  • “This is fifth generational warfare that the left understands perfectly.” — Tim Pool [45:08]
• On Media Manipulation:
  • “They gave him a tan, shortened his nose, widened a little bit… Trying to lionize him by making him more attractive.” — Tim Pool (re: Alex Preddy media coverage) [53:16]
• On Open Borders & American Values:
  • “You just think that everyone has these same values. These values are earned. We worked hard for these values... They don’t just happen naturally.” — Libby Emmons [117:30]

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Timestamps of Significant Segments

• [08:16] – Ohio AG candidate’s “kill Trump” campaign statement
• [16:13, 18:13] – Discussion on left-wing militancy and organization
• [29:08, 52:53] – Media manipulation of the Alex Preddy incident
• [38:05] – Ilhan Omar attacked at a public event
• [45:05] – Fifth generation warfare strategies explained
• [59:25, 75:58] – Trump’s ICE retreat in Minneapolis and its implications
• [94:43] – Apportionment forecast and interstate migration
• [117:30] – American values and the realities of open borders

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Tone and Style

• The hosts and guests maintain a candid, sometimes sardonic tone, blending hard news with sharp, often irreverent commentary.
• The style is direct and combative, occasionally veering into dark humor when analyzing serious threats and societal breakdown scenarios.

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Conclusion

The episode serves as a deep-dive into the current escalation of political division in America, highlighting asymmetrical organization between left and right, media malpractice, population and cultural shifts, and the tactical disadvantages of conservative movements. The panel urges increased realism, organization, and self-awareness among their audience, warning that cultural and political power struggles are rapidly intensifying—with the right at risk of being outmaneuvered unless substantive change occurs.

Transcript

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[Libby Emmons]

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[Libby Emmons]

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[Tony Ortiz]

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[Tim Pool]

So this guy's running for AG in Ohio. He was a former state rep and it looks like he's not doing too well. Well, he's got a new campaign promise. He's vowing to kill Donald Trump. Not exaggerating. He's saying that as ag, he will sentence Trump to death for formally through the state, which is still just him campaigning on killing Trump. So I don't know what his point was, but he's certainly getting attention for it, so congratulations. In this hyper Internet reality, everyone so desperate for attention will say or do anything. He may as well have just said, please, for the love of all that is holy, look at my face, cuz it works. And we're talking about him and his pictures everywhere. Uh, and then we've got probably one of the saddest stories. Now, I know a lot of you deeply upset over the killing of Alex Preddy in Minnesota. It's a sad story nonetheless. But I'm sure a lot of conservatives say, well, you know, don't bring a gun to a cop, fight it Appears that Ms. Now is running a Photoshopped version of this guy to make him look hot, or at least hotter. Not. It's not a joke. They took an old photo of him, face, tuned it, gave him some muscle, widened his jaw, gave him a little bit of a tan. Some bi. This is absolutely insane. And, you know, I know it's deeply political and we're, we're analytical when we look at these circumstances, but I genuinely feel bad for this guy's legacy with how they're treating him by basically saying he was so ugly that we have to Photoshop his face and put it on TV because they don't want people to see what he actually looked like. OWSA man. Okay, well, we're gonna talk about that. There's, there's a bunch of other news. Uh, right now the question is, did Trump concede? And the funny thing is, liberal activists think Tim Waltz conceded, and many conservatives think Trump conceded. But Trump's diehard base thinks he won. He's not backing down. They're saying he's just restrategizing. Well, Tim Waltz called Trump and said they were going to work together. So leftists stormed his office furious, saying no surrender, which. Okay, we'll talk about all that. Before we do, my friends, we had a great sponsor for you guys. It is Crowd health. Go to joincrowdhealth.com and, and check it out, my friends. Crowd Health is. It's not insurance. It is the crowd coming together to help pay for everybody's medical bills. Right now, it's open enrollment season, where health insurance companies hope you'll blindly sign up again for overpriced premiums and confusing fine print. Don't just take someone else's word. Trust yourself. Take control of their future. With Crowd Health, the healthcare alternative for people who make their own decisions. It's a healthcare for under 100 bucks. You'll get access to a team of health bill negotiators, low cost prescription and lab testing tools, as well as a database of low cost, high quality doctors vetted by Crowd Health. And once something major happens, you pay the first 500 bucks. Then the crowd steps in to help fund the rest. It feels like the options we used to have before Obamacare messed everything up. And of course, you'll join the crowd, a group of members just like you want to help pay for each other's unexpected medical events. The system is betting you'll stay stuck in the same overpriced, overcomplicated mess. And this year, it's even more complicated because most of the ACA subsidies expire, which means your prices are going sky high. So far, CrowdHealth members have saved over $40 million in health care expenses because they refuse to overpay this open enrollment. Take your power back. Join crowd health to get started for 99 bucks for your first three months, using code [e-mail] that's JoinCrowdHealth.com Crowd off is not insurance.

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[Tony Ortiz]

Thanks for having me.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Tony Ortiz]

I run Current Revolt. We are a Texas based newsletter. We cover all everything going on in Texas news. So if you're a right winger and you live in Texas, we are a must. Subscribe. There are probably less than 4 right right wing rags in the state of Texas and we're one of them. Which is surprising because Texas is a red state.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. One of the big stories we have is the redistricting map forecast. Texas is going to gain four seats. California going to lose four. And it's really interesting when you look at this map because you can see where everybody fled and where they went. So it's going to. It'll be interesting. But thanks for hanging out. Should be fun. Ian's excited.

[Ian Crossland]

I am. It's a pleasure to be here as well. Tim, thank you for talking about the Graphene Dream. On the top of the show, Tim and I have a little ongoing wager. Not really, but in the background about what coffee is the best at Casper. I think it's. I think it's Graphene Dream. He says it's Appalachian Nights. You got to try both.

[Tim Pool]

Let me know what you think.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Libby Emmons]

Don't let's do a new nickname for me. I'm Libby Evans. I'm the editor in chief of the Post Millennial and Human Events, and just recently, the Pod Millennial. And we're really excited to launch this first podcast with me as the host. Our first episode is with Michael Knowles and you can check it out. Um, it's live now on YouTube, rumble, Spotify and Apple podcasts. And you can check it out@the podmillennial.com.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Here's a story from our favorite news outlet, the Times of India. Because the funny thing is, a lot of these big stories that generate a lot of attention, the corporate press overlooks. And websites like this have begun to pick these things up because people are looking for context. But it's a big story. Did Ohio AG claims to claim call to kill Trump? This is very poor. It's written by India, so what do you expect? But it's true.

[Libby Emmons]

I will say we did a better job on this one at the Post.

[Tim Pool]

Millennial oh, you do? You guys do have it?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, we do.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, we'll get yours instead. But we do have the post from Libs of TikTok and then we'll pull yours up. Breaking. Elliot Forhan, Democratic candidate for Ohio Attorney General, says he's going to kill President Trump through capital punishment. Now, this guy previously served in the House of Representatives in Ohio during the 2324 term. He represented the 21st district. Apparently he lost the primary for this time around and I'd assume this is just desperation. He's got a lot of controversies though. He said f Charlie Kirk after Charlie was killed. And yeah, they say the Wikipedia says he's the son of two women whose wedding he officiated after Obergefell v. Hodges Supreme Court decision. Interesting look at that. Before he actually, in 2022, he won 73% to 26. Well, here's what he has to say about his campaign.

[Ian Crossland]

Hi, this is Elliot Forhan, candidate for Ohio Attorney General.

[Tim Pool]

I want to tell you what I.

[Ian Crossland]

Mean when I say that I am going to kill Donald Trump.

[Tim Pool]

I mean I'm going to obtain a.

[Ian Crossland]

Conviction rendered by a jury of his peers at a standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt based on evidence presented at a trial conducted in accordance with the requirements of due process, resulting in a sentence duly executed, of capital punishment. That is what I mean when I say that I am going to kill Donald Trump. Okay, no, you can't do all that stuff, brother. You can maybe get charges put against this guy. That's all you can do. Now what did he say he's gonna. Can you play that the first part of that again? Beyond a reasonable doubt based on evidence presented at a trial. Before that, when he says he's gonna put him on trial or whatever, this guy to kill Donald Trump, I mean.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to obtain a conviction.

[Ian Crossland]

How is he rendered by a jury of his? You handed off the judges standard of proof beyond telling you that he's going to based on evidence, going to do some presented at a obtain a conviction.

[Libby Emmons]

He doesn't even tell you what the charges are. He doesn't say anything.

[Tony Ortiz]

They don't need any.

[Tim Pool]

Show me the man, I'll show you the crime. Well, yeah, that's why I'm saying this. This distinction of I'll get a conviction is a completely meaningless distinction. They know exactly what the point is.

[Tony Ortiz]

Well, he's running for office. He's gonna stay, say the most retarded things he could. You know, I like how he's using the boomer angle and he's got like the face, the lightning filter, to make himself look a little lighter. You know, it's not the post mortem glow up that pretty got.

[Libby Emmons]

But, you know, he's, he's mirroring Tish James, who ran on going after Trump and so did what's his name, Alvin Bragg ran on going after Trump. Didn't Gretchen Whitmer say that? And Gavin Newsom raised like, what, $50 million to go after Trump. I mean, they're all.

[Tony Ortiz]

I guess they're gonna keep upping the bar like it was, maybe deport Trump and now it's kill him. And then it's just.

[Tim Pool]

I love this post where it was like, Donald Trump can storm into Venezuela and capture their president, but he can't arrest one journalist, you know, who stormed a church in Minnesota. He has more. He has more control over foreign countries than he does his own nation. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I love the guys. I'm just going to call it coping and seething. Like, Donald, they're withdrawing the, the criminal complaint against Don Lemon because it's actually part of their plan. It's like, huh. No, they wanted him arrested and they couldn't do it. Yeah. Trump's withdrawing Bovino, and there's rumors that Christine Elm is going to get fired or reassigned. And he's basically not firing. But you're doing the administrative. Like, shove him.

[Libby Emmons]

Hey, y'.

[Phil Labonte]

All.

[Libby Emmons]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tony Ortiz]

Let's do it.

[Tim Pool]

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[Tony Ortiz]

Time. Nice.

[Tim Pool]

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[Libby Emmons]

Wayfair, every style, every home corner.

[Tim Pool]

And they're like, no, that's actually Trump winning. It's like the, the reason you see these suburb cops arresting a bunch of these protesters and, and, and these people are like, yeah, but now, you know, Tim Waltz bent the knee. The police have come in. No, no, I'll tell you what happened. Trump agreed to pull out Bovino because he screwed everything up. His messaging was bad, and Noam's messaging was bad. And the reason why the cops came and pushed the protesters out was because in exchange for Trump's retreat, they offered him safe passage. That's it.

[Tony Ortiz]

Wouldn't a video like this get you killed in, like, CCP China?

[Tim Pool]

You just Disappear.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, this.

[Tony Ortiz]

Shows China.

[Phil Labonte]

This right here is. Is direct evidence that Donald Trump is nothing that the left says he is. If he was anything like the left says he is, he. This guy would be in jail just because he'd send his Gestapo down there to pick him up and just toss him in a hole.

[Tim Pool]

That's what would happen.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, now, but.

[Tim Pool]

But what?

[Phil Labonte]

Like, what is real is we don't live in a Nazi fascist, blah, blah, blah. We live in a country where like, this can say this kind of stuff. And my eyes roll so hard that they almost fall out of my head.

[Libby Emmons]

You can see that with what's going on in like, Iran and other places. And you can see directly that we have an inordinate amount of freedom and, you know, all of our rights are protected and defended for the most part.

[Tim Pool]

The left is supposed to Iran anyway.

[Phil Labonte]

The left is clownishly ridiculous. I can't take anything they say seriously, whether it be arguments on Twitter or these self, self aggrandizing BS TikTok posts they put up. Like, it's just so exhausting. It's just like, all I can do is just roll my eyes and be like, you're just so gay.

[Ian Crossland]

Did this guy say just flat out, like, post a tweet where I'm going to kill? He just said it with no context. And now he's like, no, I think.

[Tim Pool]

This was the only thing he said.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, yeah, the other thing too. I mean, we saw Jay Jones just won in Virginia, even though he said he wanted to see the children of Republican colleagues killed. You know, I mean, this is.

[Tim Pool]

I got it.

[Libby Emmons]

This is what they keep electing on purpose. So maybe this guy wins.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta add real quick just for the chat, because I'm seeing a bunch of conflicting comments and I'm curious. Uh, so it's split between. Bovino was doing a great job. Okay, then why did Trump pull him out if he was doing a great job? Trump pulled him out because Trump wants to change course or what's the issue? Others are saying Trump is strategically retreating. It's not. It's not a defeat. Uh, Trump sent in Bovino. Kristi Noem was the boss. Trump is pulling them out. And I call it cope. Right. That's fine. I said yesterday, strategic retreat. I said this morning is not defeat. Sometimes you have to do it. And I'll give him credit for that. I think he realized Bufino was causing damage and the Stephen Miller message of this guy was gonna massacre people failed miserably and made them all look bad. Now he's sending in Tom Homan. But any way you cut it, Trump decided the current leadership team wasn't working. He's pulling him out. That's it.

[Ian Crossland]

If you war game past conflicts and battles especially, you'll see some, you know, often actually like throughout history where the winning side will lose battles pretty blatantly. You know, if you want to consider this like a culture warrior, culture war thing, like sometimes you, you flank and you send in and you attack the front and you're, you guys just go get it.

[Phil Labonte]

I would love to see.

[Ian Crossland]

And you basically have no choice but to retreat.

[Tony Ortiz]

I would love to see the Trump administration send ICE into cities or neighborhoods where they're welcome, like right wing cities to round up the illegal dare they do. I would love to see like some prop. Pro Trump propaganda where like you're showing the city people like welcoming ICE there and like, you know, celebrating them, giving them free food and stuff.

[Libby Emmons]

Like I don't think that's happening.

[Tony Ortiz]

You, I think it would, I think if you took ICE and had them do operations in like right wing cities, you would see the, the general population like, oh, we're glad you guys are here. Like, here's a free coffee, here's a free meal.

[Tim Pool]

I, I got a question for, for everybody. When protesters were upset over masks during COVID these were not overtly right wing people or anything. It was just presumably like, hey, we don't want to. Oh no, no, no. You know, A better example is the vaccine mandate protests. Antifa showed up and started mercilessly beating these people outside of a hospital. Story went super viral. How come we never see any conservatives forming vigilante or paramilitary groups to go and support the government operations of the Republican party.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, there's always this messaging by the left that right has all these LARPing like, like, like militia groups, but they never do anything.

[Tim Pool]

Like, like they're not, they're not real. They don't exist.

[Tony Ortiz]

They, they, and if they do, they're like really small and they show up in like U hauls and they just, they don't, they just exist. They don't actually like perform any operations.

[Tim Pool]

Like you're not, but they don't exist. I mean, you know, when the left comes out and protests, you don't have paramilitary right wing groups going, just beating people outside of like, like, like a grocery store protesting plastic bags.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, you're not seeing right wing groups burning down like Indian grocery stores.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but, but, but I mean like more to the point of if a bunch of leftists show up to protest, to meet. There's never a right wing pro Republican group that shows up and says leave Cargill alone and bash them with sticks the way Antifa does. When people on the right protest Democrat.

[Tony Ortiz]

Policy positions, I think it just further demonstrates that like the left is very like emotional. Like they don't have any kind of ability to control their emotions. They get violent easier.

[Ian Crossland]

Right?

[Tony Ortiz]

That's what disagreement.

[Tim Pool]

But I'm saying they're organized. You don't randomly just show up and beat people in a protest. You know, the protest is happening. You have legal apparatus to protect you in the event you get arrested. They, they've got the same clothes, they've got tools, shields, weapons. The left is completely organized on every front. And the Democrats actually have a paramilitary wing and they're, and the right has nothing.

[Tony Ortiz]

I mean, you've been to a lot of these protests on the field. And what I've seen too, covering especially like the anti ice protests in Dallas, is like you will have these organized groups that will call together a protest and then these people, they all show up and then you'll have like five or six depending on the size. People in like these vests. And they're the organizers, right? They're telling them what to do. They've got the loudspeakers, hey, we need to back off, or hey, we're pushing forward. So like to your point, like, yeah, you do have some sort of organization there and you don't really see that in the right. Like, I, I, I very rarely see right wing big protests, but you don't have people like leading them.

[Tim Pool]

It's, it's not about protests. It's about, let's say a bunch of liberals show up to a grocery store saying meat is murder. There's no such thing as a right wing organized group that shows up to beat them. But there are. When right wing groups protest things like taxation or gun control, left wing groups show up and beat them. There are organized leftist groups that align with Democrat policy to beat anyone on the right if they show up in the street to protest.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, there's a lot of this stuff, right? I mean there's rise and resist. There was the women's march last night. We had a reporter go into one of the women's march virtual trainings and they were talking about how In Minneapolis and St. Paul, hotel workers will call in the activists to do what they call wake ups. And then all the activists show up outside the hotel to like bang on their drums and bottles and cans and whatever else they're Doing and cause cause a little mess.

[Tim Pool]

That's what I think is funny. I understand why conservatives think they would ever win a civil war when they have no fighters, no communications, no organization whatsoever. By all means you can point out there are small militias that don't do anything and they exist. Like we know there's a group of guys in the south somewhere.

[Tony Ortiz]

I think part of that is that the right has more, more to lose. Right? Like the people on our side, they have families, they're married, they have businesses, they're business owners, they have, they own companies, they have more to lose where like if you're a leftist, like you're a blue haired Starbucks worker who's single and you're on like 50 mental medications, like.

[Tim Pool]

But how does that play into the fact that you could have a family and have a communication grid?

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, yeah, you're right. But like you're less willing to perform these acts because you're like, well I don't want to put myself in harm's way because I have five people have a group chat. To do what? To chat about, to larp about. We're going to do something one day.

[Tim Pool]

No, the left has, the left has organized insurgent networks that are on standby. The right doesn't even have. The right doesn't even have mutual aid groups the way the left does. Meaning the left could are literally in group chats being like, bring food to this place. And the right doesn't have this stuff, they have small communities. But again, the point is, if there were to be any kind of civil war breakdown, all of these conservatives say things like, haha, look how dumb and fat they are. And I'm like, bro, you'd be routed in two seconds. You have no communications. By all means, you got guns in your basement. But what do you do when seven leftists are surrounding your house with guns too?

[Tony Ortiz]

Well, we used to have that with like churches.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Tony Ortiz]

The churches used to come together and.

[Tim Pool]

Network with each other.

[Tony Ortiz]

Right.

[Libby Emmons]

The churches aren't necessarily networked with each other. I think what conservatives rely on is that the military would be on the side of law and order.

[Tim Pool]

And we saw with Trump's arrest think.

[Libby Emmons]

That they're on the side of law.

[Tony Ortiz]

We didn't see that in Covid, but.

[Libby Emmons]

But it would have to be.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I'm like, conservatives are gonna get.

[Tony Ortiz]

The military was like the police, they were arresting people. We had that in Texas. They literally arrested one of our state reps, Shelley Luther, she went to jail because she wouldn't shut down her Hair salon.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right now she's a state rep. But like our right wing governors sent.

[Libby Emmons]

Her to jail for obstructing ice.

[Tim Pool]

So if it ever came down to it, conservatives are just fractured, disparate, no communications. They got guns, we'll give them that. So it'll be slow to conquer them. But communications, it's the most important thing. The reason why in the battlefields they played trumpets and banged drums was to signal the troops what to do. If you couldn't send the information, you couldn't win. And when you look at what's going on in Minnesota with this massive signal group that they keep rebuilding and you know they operate in other states as well, you can see that if it all went tits up tomorrow, conservatives would be holding an empty bag saying, what do we do? And the left would be like, take these streets, take these bridges, take, take these depots.

[Ian Crossland]

In 2006, I personally decided that my protest is gonna be online. I'm not gonna go stand on a street corner and get rocks thrown at me. I'm gonna change the world with my voice. Like this show things like this is a protest. I mean this is, it's safer. Of course, if the networks get seized, then these can't happen. You gotta go on the street. But in the meantime, you know, we've been building out Rumble. These free, not we, but rumble's been building out these free systems that can, can, can permeate and navigate the storm to maintain the revolution.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that, I think I'm going.

[Tim Pool]

To read some of these comments because guys, for those that are listening and commenting, I know it's, it's the 1% rule, but if you can't understand what's being said right now, you will lose everything you have. And I want to make this clear for, for the people saying, Tim's wrong. Tim, I would die for my family. The left has thousands of people networked. They're dumb as a box of rocks. But if, let's say a bridge collapsed, how are you getting from point A to point B? The first thing you're going to be doing is saying, I don't know what's going on. And what we see historically in every revolution, civil war otherwise is people turn their radios on, they turn the TV on, or they seek out a place where they typically gather information. So if you're talking about in the past, they go to city centers, town halls, or they go to churches. The left already knows what to do. They've pre planned this. If a bridge goes down, it may be because they Took it out. How do they get from point A to point B? That was part of the plan in the first place. They have supplies, food, and they know who's in charge. If everything collapsed tomorrow, conservatives would look to the government and they'd look to online communications. The left would be already in their mesh network saying, what's our next move? There are three steps ahead of you. If you are not concerned about what we learned is going out with the insurgent groups in Minnesota and you're sitting there saying, I've got guns and I die for my family. Tim, you're wrong. Congratulations. You are right. You're. You've got honor, integrity and weapons and you would die for your family. Beautiful. And I respect that tremendously. Who are you with? Where are you going? Where does your water come from? Where does your food come from? And who is going to be in control of the weapons surrounding your jurisdiction? The left has already planned these things out. They already have your license plates. They know who you are, they know where you live, they probably know what weapons you have. And before any of that happens, they already know who they have in your neighborhood. And they're watching you already. That's why when James o' Keefe pulled in in a rental car, they knew his phone number, they knew what he was driving. This means someone in the state had his license plate and gave access to the database to, to this insurgency network. And someone at the rental agency gave the information on the rental to this network as well. These like. I'm sorry if you can't understand that, you are cooked.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that the, the fact that the right doesn't protest is part of the reason why. Now I'm not. I don't think that the right are as numerous and organized as the left, but I do think that there are groups of people on the right that are organized. And I think the reason people don't see them in their. More below the, the. They're not being, they're not observed is because they don't go out and protest. They don't have these. They don't have the same kind of infrastructure because they're not outdoing things.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. It's actually quite simple. Here's the question. Has the left formed a state sponsored insurgency network with access to government infrastructure and weapons?

[Libby Emmons]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, they have. Has the right?

[Libby Emmons]

No.

[Tim Pool]

No. So who has the advantage in any conflict between the left and the right ideologies?

[Tony Ortiz]

I just think the more the right is. I subscribe to the theory that the right people in the right generally have More to lose. Like nobody you're showing up to.

[Tim Pool]

But does that change what I'm saying?

[Tony Ortiz]

Right, because you have a lot to lose. We have businesses, we have family, we have children.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Tony Ortiz]

Whereas the left is, is consist. Consists more of like a lot of losers, like tier people that are willing to throw themselves in danger.

[Tim Pool]

So. So who's got the advantage in a conflict?

[Tony Ortiz]

Well, yes, maybe, yes. But I, you know, like maybe I'm.

[Tim Pool]

Why not?

[Tony Ortiz]

But, but in Cove, during COVID my, My group of people, we had, we were like organized if you'd call it. We, we shared where places were to go to eat that didn't enforce mask mandates, where to get ivermectin, where to do these things. And it was a right wing sphere. Like we all came together and maybe that's cause I live in Texas, but we were organized. We didn't have like these mass underground groups and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

In the Alex Preddy incident, 50 people had swarmed the agents that day. 50. What people see and what they're being told is that Preddy showed up to protest. He showed up at a protest. That's not what happened. A network of insurgents, they're armed, they have people with guns that were out patrolling. We've seen all the photos and videos. It's just that people on the right don't understand the depths of the insurgency and they don't believe it or they don't want to believe it. And they're also extremely arrogant thinking, haha, we got guns, we're going to win. Communications is everything. On that day, CBP had apparently been intercepted by at least 50 different people, which is probably why the agents were freaking out and overly aggressive. Because this may have been the seventh or eighth time a group of people jumped out of their cars, standing in traffic, screaming at them. And no matter where they go, they're being stalked and followed. These people are on shifts. And you know, it's funny because there's. I guess we'll get to a second. I'll show you this right now real quick, we'll come back to it. But Bonchi over at Red State says the quote he had an extra mag is the right wing version of quote. He crossed state lines. A completely irrelevant qualifier only meant to elicit assumptions. Wrong. Now the point here is this guy was on duty. He was on duty for a paramilitary organization whose intentions is fifth generational warfare to resist their word. The federal government, duly elected, dispatching law enforcement. Their intention is quote unquote. I'm not touching you. Harassment and warfare. The goal of the left is to. Is to harass to the point where any media that emerges will be a recruiting tool. That is get in the face of a cop, punch him in the face if you have to start filming after he retaliates. Now there's a question of why did Preddy show up with a 9 millimeter with, with an extra magazine?

[Tony Ortiz]

I think it's pretty normal. I carry an extra magazine.

[Tim Pool]

Except he had been on duty with a paramilitary group whose intention was to stalk and harass federal law enforcement operations. And a week prior he had been physically attacked. They're reporting CNN by CBP and said I thought I was going to die.

[Phil Labonte]

Are you making.

[Libby Emmons]

Didn't he have. He had some of his ribs broken.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yes. So here's a guy who confronted ICE as part of an organized insurgent group who's confronting law enforcement for the purpose of a fifth generational war is. It's a psyop tactic. He gets injured, says I'm going to die. Shows up next time with an extra magazine and 9 mil.

[Tony Ortiz]

I think it's just more simple than that. I think a lot of these people are losers. Like what was pretty. A divorcee, right? Like he was, he was a low level loser that wanted to make a scene. You see a lot of these, like these body cam videos where these people get pulled over and the first thing that they get a speeding ticket. The first thing they do is they whip out their phone, they shove it in a cop's face because they. And they're like, I'm streaming on Facebook. I'm streaming on Facebook. I think, I think it's simpler than. I think that these people are just losers that want to make a scene that they hope they show up on.

[Libby Emmons]

Social media have to do with what we're saying.

[Tony Ortiz]

I just don't think that like this idea that he's part of like this huge network of really high intelligence organizations. I think he's just a loser that was.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Phil Labonte]

No carrying a gun.

[Tony Ortiz]

And I disagree.

[Libby Emmons]

What's the sort of makes it so that he doesn't have anything to lose. And if you have a bunch of people who don't have anything to lose, they're going to go out there and.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, these are dangerous people.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

But see this is, this is what I, I mean I got to be honest. This is exemplifying the blind spot of the right. The people who organized this group are not the on the ground getting killed. They don't want to die. They send people in their stead. It's like the Patriot. What? The best movie ever. When Cornwallis says to Mel Gibson's character, stop targeting my officers, could you imagine what the battlefield would be like? Chaos. That's the way they view it. The people who are organizing these groups have opsec. OPSEC training in that viral post. They have. They have OPSEC hygiene operations. Now, Preddy was dumb as a box of rocks, sure, but that's what you use for a foot soldier. You're not gonna. That guy's not gonna be organizing anything.

[Tony Ortiz]

I'll give you an example. Like we had in, in Texas, we had the John Brown Gun Club and these guys provided security for these drag shows. They would show up in all black open carrying rifles, right? One of their leaders was this Asian, this Korean guy. I forget his name now, but he ended up going on. He was on. He was on these lists forever. He was always an issue. Been following him for years, right? He'd always show up to protest. He's like this 5 foot 5 Korean kid and he was a total loser. He'd be kicked out of the military. His parents didn't really like him. Like just total, like nobody, right? Anyway, he went on to be one of the guys that was in charge of like, assaulting an ICE facility. They shot at ICE officers. They eventually caught him. But like, again, it's like, yeah, organized in a telegram group, I think is what it was.

[Tim Pool]

So why is it that these groups still exist years on after all these things have happened?

[Tony Ortiz]

I could, I could see your argument. Like, they, we need to be more focused on getting into these groups. And like, because he was on these lists.

[Tim Pool]

They were on a list. But the response is these guys are just dumb losers. We all agree. And the dumb losers are weaponized as foot soldiers by the intelligent leftists who are fomenting revolution.

[Tony Ortiz]

I don't think, at least from what I saw, that their organization wasn't funded or organized by anybody. It was just these group of people. These losers decided together collectively to do this. There wasn't any higher power.

[Phil Labonte]

Hold on. Characterizing them as a group of losers, I think is a mistake, but I think that it's also a mistake to say that the right doesn't have anything. The left is out there and being activists because Donald Trump is in office. They kind of went underground when Donald, when Joe Biden was in office and they, they did a little bit of stuff up in the Pacific Northwest, but the right wing doesn't come out and organize because they're not activists the same way. So whereas I. So whereas I understand what you're saying that these people have a network and stuff like that. I think that the reason you don't see the rights network because there are signal chats that are a bunch of right wing dudes. I mean, I, but again, I've been.

[Tim Pool]

I've been, I've been, I had covered from what, 2011 till about, you know, 2019 or so in these direct action meetings, watching these people work. I was in France at a safe house where they were manufacturing weapons for riots. And the right really does not understand.

[Phil Labonte]

And what would you consider like Patriot Front?

[Ian Crossland]

What about them?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, because those guys get together, they train. Well, you call them the Feds, but the patriot, the guys that are in Patriot Front, if you, if you, if you believe that they're not feds, they get together, they train together, they go to the gym together.

[Libby Emmons]

3%.

[Tim Pool]

They're small. And my point is this group in Minnesota is networked with every other state. It is a, it is a mesh network. That's why we talk about these antifa cells, the group, the groups that I refer to as the tourists. How is it that we see the same left wing activists organizing in China, Turkey, California, New York, Canada, Mexico, these same. Because these people never get caught, never get arrested. Cam Higby and Cam Higby and more. So who, who, who, who, who are the guys that were, you know, I'm talking about? They're, they're, they're finding all the paid, the paid networks.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, Cam and the guy we had on Lance videos.

[Tim Pool]

Lance videos? Yeah, and there's, there's some, There was another person.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know the other person.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the point is the high ranking, intelligent, high level people first. At the highest level you've got millionaires, billionaires, financiers, and we all know their names running these organizations and funding these various NGOs that do this. Then you have the, those are the highest level guys. There are high level people smarter than anybody in this room running and organizing these things and you're never going to learn their names. They've networked interstate and they tell people what to do, they pay for lawyers and when antifa. And I mean, take a look at this. They've got judges. Trump can't even get Don Lemon arrested. And conservatives are like, I'd win a civil war. You have no judges. You can't even arrest one guy. Like it is the epitome of arrogance that the right does not have an, have a national mesh network the way the left does.

[Ian Crossland]

It's different than the left, I think the rights. I mean, we want to talk about networks. Get a shot of that Rumble logo. Like, let me explain. The Left is a group of street, violent thugs. Look at it simple, not really highly intellectual. They're willing to throw rocks. The Right are businessmen that don't want the system to burn. They build organizations like Rumble, like, things legitimately, like, where's the network? It's out in the open.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. I'm just going to go ahead and say. I think this conversation, and many in the chat, exemplifies the point of. I have witnessed powerful multimillionaire leftists organizing, fomenting violence, planning it. And we know what Yuri Besmanov talked about. And it's like, no matter how many times you say the right doesn't have it, they're just like, we don't need it. And they're dumb. It's like, okay.

[Libby Emmons]

The thing is, though, the Left is highly intellectual because they're all very educated. They all have graduate degrees in, like, you know, Marxist theory and gender basket weaving and all the rest of it. What I keep being surprised by, and I was surprised when we looked at this Women's March virtual meetup last night, which was a training, right? It was a. They had breakout sessions. And the one that our reporter went into was talking about how to deal with hotels. And a woman from the Sunrise Movement said, we have started having workers start requesting noise demonstrations. We call them Wide Awakes. Start requesting Wide Awakes in the middle of the night. We've had reports of ICE agents leaving after our noise demonstrations. We've had multiple hotels report to us that they have quietly decided to kick Ice Age out because they don't want to say it publicly, so they don't get backlash. But they've told us they've decided to kick ICE out. We've even had two hotels. We've gotten word, not from them, but through the grapevine. They specifically refused to house ICE because of our noise demonstrations. She said. She said it sort of comes from the logic of when ICE is here, they need places to sleep, they need places to eat, they need ways to get around. What are ways that we can physically, physically interrupt the ways that they do that so that we can kick them out? So what she's saying is they have networks for hotels, lodging, restaurants, food service, and all the transportation. James o', Keefe, that's very deep in.

[Tim Pool]

James o' Keefe pointed out that when he would go to a hotel, employees were in these grids and would flag his information. And then all of A sudden people would swarm and start stalking him. But we got breaking news. We got to jump to this from os Osint defender. How do you say it? Apparently Ellen Omar was attacked, sprayed by an unknown liquid. We've got the video here. Secretary Christy Noem must resign or face impeachment. So apparently he had a syringe full of a liquid. Did she try to punch him?

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh my God, he's breaking. Sprayed something on her.

[Ian Crossland]

That's.

[Libby Emmons]

That's awful.

[Ian Crossland]

I hope that guy gets put away.

[Tony Ortiz]

See, but here's the difference of the reaction between.

[Phil Labonte]

Sir, this is not a wet future contest.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think she's trying to punch him like that. But her hand is open.

[Tony Ortiz]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

She was in a general re.

[Tony Ortiz]

That was closed fist. Look at.

[Libby Emmons]

She did go in.

[Tim Pool]

See, that's not a wind up for a punch.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, whatever it is, she didn't back.

[Ian Crossland]

Away when she got hit by the liquid. She back. I mean, at this point she needs.

[Tim Pool]

To be getting out of there and taking that sweater off immediately.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, that could be some kind of acid attack.

[Tim Pool]

Now what's interesting about this is this comes just after we saw that viral video of the woman saying to fill syringes up and bring them to events. With what? I don't know what she said. Some people mentioned that she was a nurse that worked with like paralytic agents. But I, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, what she was saying was that if, then if leftists are showing up with syringes full of unknown liquid on their bodies, ICE and CBP would be terrified to touch them because they could get stabbed and infected with or injected with something.

[Tony Ortiz]

So just like fake liquid or whatever. Just this meeting. Injected.

[Tim Pool]

She made a comment about having something on them, but I mean it doesn't really matter what's in the syringe. That's the point.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The point is when. If someone splashes you with a clear, clear liquid, you're.

[Ian Crossland]

I think you're supposed to treat it as a deadly web. I mean, yeah, absolutely.

[Tony Ortiz]

It'll be interesting to see the fallout from this. Like whether we identification on who this guy is and his political leanings. I'm sure they'll scrub everything from social media about him.

[Phil Labonte]

Not if he's on the right.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, true.

[Ian Crossland]

Just a random.

[Phil Labonte]

Which, I mean, it's likely. It's likely political.

[Tim Pool]

What did he say? Let's try and get here. What he says.

[Tony Ortiz]

He looks.

[Tim Pool]

Did anyone make out what he said?

[Tony Ortiz]

He looks ethnic.

[Libby Emmons]

Let's try again.

[Tony Ortiz]

I don't know, Mexican or something.

[Tim Pool]

Impeachment.

[Tony Ortiz]

Look at the dude, the old guy in the, in the audience just kind of just like hanging out, just watching.

[Tim Pool]

I'll say, I'll say something too about, you know, in the previous conversation. The right is completely unwilling to engage in tactics to win war the way the left is. And you know, we've cited the Curtis Yarvin quote, which is really great, that the right treats power the way a wine snob treats alcohol and Democrats treat power the way alcoholics treat alcohol. The left is, I mean, we were talking about this a moment ago, the AG in Virginia saying he wanted conservative children to die in their parents arms to teach conservatives a lesson about gun control. Yeah. And then he was elected and. Yeah. So, you know, conservatives very much, you know, and it's a coalition really. I mean, moderate liberals as well, unwilling to engage in the kind of behavior that wins conflict. The left, they have no problem.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not as you can engage in other ways of winning too, but they don't want to engage in the way that the left generally would. No, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

The right is unwilling to be evil. And evil is the fastest path towards victory. Yep.

[Tony Ortiz]

So would you say that's the way it should go?

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean the way it should go?

[Tony Ortiz]

Like, do you avow this? If, like, if it was a right winger spraying something to assault him, this.

[Tim Pool]

Is beneficial to the left. So my point is the most powerful thing that ICE could have done in the Preddy situation was to stand down and let him get shot. I'll use this example. It was the May 29th insurrection. Is that the date? I always mix them up.

[Phil Labonte]

It was May 20th.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, May 29th, I'm pretty sure.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I'll check right now.

[Tim Pool]

So thousands of far leftists come to the White House and they tear the barricades down and they're beating cops, they set fire to St. John's Church and they firebombed the White House grounds.

[Phil Labonte]

Trump, or more Importantly, it was May 29th.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Barr sends out the cops and crushes the revolt, pushes him out. The media then says Trump is bunker boy and mercilessly beat peaceful protesters for a photo op. What should Trump have done if he wanted to win? Now, unfortunately for the Republicans, this would have been the. I would describe as not necessarily the most of malicious evil, but not the honorable course of action. And that would have been Trump should have stood down and let the far left ransack the White House. What would the narrative have been if the day after May 29th the White House grounds were aflame. St. John's Church was razed to the ground. They'd say, oops. Trump would come out and he'd say, last night, thousands of far left extremists laid waste to the White House grounds, set fire to the historic St. John's Church and burned it to the ground. It's been destroyed. This country cannot tolerate this degree of extremism. And for this, we are organizing the Capitol Police to go nationwide and hunt down these insurrectionists. Congress, Republicans could announce a panel on the M29 committee to figure out how it is that this group was so organized they were able to ransack and rush the White House and destroy a church and everything. They did. The smoke and the fire emerging from D.C. see, on January 6, Trump wanted the National Guard, but Pelosi wouldn't. Wouldn't do it. The Capitol Police wouldn't bring in backup. And there's a viral video of J6ers begging the cops standing around to do something. Why wouldn't they? Well, look at the narrative the Democrats got out of it. Trump incited an insurrection. It's his fault he's no longer eligible. Eligible to be president. Look, if they wanted to stop J6, they could have done it in two seconds. I've seen fatter cops and the ones they had stopped bigger riots. Now they stood down, let these people storm their way in for whatever reason. And you can argue it's incompetence. You can argue. Look, I know a lot of cops were fighting on the front of the building, but they didn't get the backup they wanted. And the National Guard once sent in, Trump went about May 29 in the overt standard, honorable way. We will not let extremists damage the White House or burn down churches. Send in the troops. The media loved it. The left loved it. Peaceful protesters mercilessly beaten by Trump's GESTAPO. Even though 70 plus feds were injured. A total of like 103 government employees, law enforcement were injured. The media doesn't care. But what happened when Andy Ngo was left bleeding from the ears and nose and face? All of a sudden there was a narrative emerging that the left had gone too far and they started to panic. The media couldn't deny it. Brian Stelter finally got on his show and said this was wrong and shouldn't have happened. Because to the regular people not paying attention to the normal public who only get their news and politics passively, they were seeing images of a journalist, a gay Asian, left, bleeding, bloodied up with. I think his ears were busted.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, he had a traumatic brain injury.

[Tim Pool]

This is fifth generational warfare that the left understands perfectly. And it goes back to Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Wall street only exists because Anthony Bologna pepper sprayed three women standing on the sidewalk. This is. It's a fact. The initial weekend of Occupy Wall street was small and nobody was there. I mean, not nobody, but small. That week after that, I was there. It was day three, the third day of the protests, and there was about seven people standing in Zuccotti Park. About seven. It was raining and we were standing under a tarp, and a cop walked over in a trench coat and says, man, more power to you. They didn't care. And the guys under the tarp said, don't worry, we're going to do a bigger protest this weekend. More people will come out when they're off work. That weekend, more people did show up and they decided to march through the streets. The police decided to end the unpermitted march by wrapping everybody up in a kettling net. And there were three women standing on the sidewalk doing nothing. They weren't fighting. They weren't. They were just standing. There were arms down. And Anthony Bologna, who was a white shirt NYPD for no reason, walked up and blasted him in the face with pepper spray. In about 12 hours, the video got 1.2 million views on YouTube. At the time, YouTube still being relatively young, this was the fastest viral video they had seen. Excuse me. All of a sudden, there were occupies in every city across the country. If Anthony Bologna did not pepper spray those women, there was no press, no attention, nothing. And then after this, you got the takeover of the Brooklyn Bridge and the mass arrest, which the left then used again and said, the police marched us onto the bridge intentionally and then arrested 300 people. All of a sudden, now you have 300,000 active, occupied, occupied protesters across the country. Every major city had an Occupy protest. That's what created it. They have known since then. The tactic is quote. It's the quote, I'm not touching you tactic. You must be perceived as the victim at all times to win public support and delegitimize the government. That would mean if Donald Trump on May 29th let the far left ransack everything. Yes. Some people have said the left will claim he's weak. How could he let these people do it? And Trump could come out and say, you're right, I was too weak, and for that I apologize. I had believed the reporting from the press that they were peaceful protests. And out of an abundance of caution, a fear that innocent, peaceful protesters could be Injured. I ordered the police to stand down, and I was wrong. I won't make the same mistake twice. We will be expanding the Capitol police force to. To hunt down these insurrectionists and make sure they face justice. Trump and the Republicans keep playing this straight on. I like, I liken it to this. The left are like ninjas and the right are like samurai. Deeply honorable, staring you straight down and saying, this is what I'm going to do if you act out. Meanwhile, the left are dressing up like handmaidens, walking in the back door and assassinating the emperor while no one's paying attention.

[Libby Emmons]

Do you think that conservatives should be organizing and should be putting together groups like the left is doing? Do you think that that's what should be happening?

[Tim Pool]

I think that not necessarily like what the left is doing, but the right needs to have mutual aid groups and group chats networked with each other. State, State officials should be organizing this among people who care. And they should be in communications, not for tracking license plates, not for disrupting law enforcement operations, but for knowing what to do in an emergency and to generally just be connected because of what we're witnessing the left do. It also helps to control for who is this guy and why did he do it? Already people in chat are saying, false flag attack. I wouldn't be surprised. Ilhan Omar is going to get a ton of attention from this. A move like this does not benefit the right and every person, every single person knows it. Donald Trump's assassination, the left claimed he faked it. They claimed that Trump staged his own assassination because of how beneficial it was to him. With liberals coming out and saying he just won his reelection, the assassination attempt on Trump's life guaranteed he'd win. And the crazy thing is, we still weren't entirely sure if Trump was gonna win. But that night on Election Day, I remember we're sitting at the Daily Wire office, and I told the Daily Wire Crew guys, I was like, hey, this might get contested. We may be here. Like, the election may go on for a week. And they said, fair point. We'll give you the studio for the week, just to be sure. And I said, sounds good. And then that night, clean as a whistle, Trump won. Slam dunk. That's the power of, of these psychological operations and the perception of the American people. So ultimately, my point is this. The conservatives and the right don't like lying. They don't like being lied to. They don't like being dishonorable, and they're unwilling to do dishonorable things in war. For the Most part, the left is completely willing to and does every day. And that's why moderates have shifted to the right. And that's why the quote, he was trying to massacre people narrative did not work because the right is not moved by being lied to.

[Ian Crossland]

I think a lot about honesty and deceit generally. I used to think honesty was very virtuous and deceit was sinful. It's not according to the Catholics anyway. They don't care. You can lie, I think because they realized that deceiving authoritarian power structures is actually a very good. Can be a very good thing. So, like, thinking about, can we get.

[Phil Labonte]

A fact check on that?

[Tim Pool]

Catholics.

[Ian Crossland]

Catholics in the Chastity and deceit are not sins of religions.

[Phil Labonte]

Can they lie?

[Libby Emmons]

Lying is it. Lying is in violation of the Ten Commandments, which is.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[Ian Crossland]

Catholic Judaism. I'm talking about Christianity. Deceit is not a sin.

[Libby Emmons]

That's not.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, we'll pull it up. You want it back? Thousand dollars.

[Libby Emmons]

Thou shalt not bear.

[Ian Crossland]

You're talking about Judaism.

[Tim Pool]

No, we're talking about the Bible, bro. The Ten Commandments, Old Testament are the.

[Libby Emmons]

They are part of the basis of Christianity, and that is a moral.

[Ian Crossland]

All I said was honesty and deceit are not a virtue and a sin in Catholicism.

[Libby Emmons]

They're not.

[Ian Crossland]

They're not the seven. They're not even considered in the virtues and sin.

[Tony Ortiz]

I don't know. When I give confession, I have to.

[Libby Emmons]

You got to say, you got to.

[Phil Labonte]

Tell the priests you lied are not.

[Libby Emmons]

You can't lie. Good.

[Phil Labonte]

They're not. They're not like the Catholics don't think the seven deadly sins are the actual sins. The Catholics think the Ten Commandments, it's.

[Tim Pool]

A direct violation of the ninth commandment. Yeah, it is a sin.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay. I'm talking about Catholicism.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

Honesty is not a virtue in Catholicism.

[Tim Pool]

In the literal virtues.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what I'm talking about. Seven virtues and the seven sins.

[Phil Labonte]

Where in the Bible is not a Catholic?

[Libby Emmons]

Tony. On this.

[Tim Pool]

Ian is referring to the seven vices and the seven virtues, but that doesn't mean those are the only vices and virtues.

[Phil Labonte]

And also, that's not biblical, like the seven virtues and the seven vices.

[Tim Pool]

You know, let's jump to the story we have.

[Ian Crossland]

You guys interrupted my awesome point.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, let's talk about the news. We have a viral tweet from the redheaded libertarian. And this makes me. Look, I gotta be honest. I, I, I'm saddened by the death of Alex Preddy. I, I, I'm saddened by Death in general. I don't want this conflict in this fighting. There's an argument over the legality and what people were doing, whether he was right to have been there, armed or otherwise. But this genuinely makes me feel bad for the guy's legacy. Josie says it appears MSNBC gave Alex Preddy a tan, a stronger jawline, better teeth, a shorter forehead and a nose job to make him look hotter for the affluent white female liberals. They broadened his shoulders, thickened his neck and gave him biceps. I kid you not. Fact check. It's real.

[Libby Emmons]

That's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Check this out. I've got the two articles. This is the actual photo of the guy, and he's got a big, long nose. He's thin, kind of pasty and pale. It is what it is. I'm not trying to rag on the guy. This is the image they made. They gave him a tan, shorten his nose, widened a little bit. He's got nicer teeth. They gave him a broader jaw. They. Look at this. His chest is thicker.

[Libby Emmons]

They lightened his hair.

[Tim Pool]

Here's msnbc. They're using this edited photo. I'm sorry, Ms. Now.

[Libby Emmons]

No, it's Miz now.

[Tim Pool]

Ms. Now is what they say.

[Libby Emmons]

No, that's what I said.

[Tim Pool]

So they actually. Now here's People using the real photo. People.com using the real photo. Ms. Now using the fake edited, make him look hot photo with clean, shiny teeth. This is insane. The postmortem, that's the giggy chat version. I'll tell you why they're doing it, because when Luigi Mangione, right, got all the press, these. These women were like, ooh, he's so hot. And when Tyler Robinson got pressed, they were like, no, it's the meme.

[Tony Ortiz]

It's the meme where, like, the office lady gets hit on by the hot guy and she thinks it's lovely, and then she gets it on by the.

[Libby Emmons]

Fat and it's sexual harassment.

[Tony Ortiz]

Harassment.

[Tim Pool]

The goal here is because this will generate sympathy from white suburban females. They are going to see this guy and they're going to be mad and they're trying to lionize him by making him more attractive.

[Libby Emmons]

And then they'll all go get in their minivans and block ice in the middle of the street.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

This is crazy. It's genuinely insane. Look at this.

[Tony Ortiz]

Do you want a postmortem? Glow up when it's time.

[Tim Pool]

But it's got to be really ridiculous. Like, I need flowing locks and just, like, massive muscles and perfect teeth.

[Phil Labonte]

Like blonde flowing locks.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. And people will just be like, that's the way we remember him.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yo, it is. It is the. Listen, we were just talking about in the previous segment. The lengths the left is willing to go to when the right is not. And some people on the right sometimes do things like this, but it doesn't work, because what motivates the right is calling out the deception and understanding what's happening. But the left is fueled entirely by these zombie zealots that just believe what the TV tells them. And they actually gave this guy a post posthumous glow up right postmortem because they want women to be attracted to him. They want to pull. You know, look, I was saying this before Trump won because of suburban housewives, and it was RFK Jr who got him there. So they're attacking RFK relentlessly, and they're trying to convince these women to oppose Trump so they can win midterms and shot the Republicans through by any means necessary.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I don't know. I think it's hilarious, to be honest with you.

[Tim Pool]

It's funny, but wow.

[Tony Ortiz]

Damn.

[Libby Emmons]

You also have. The NYPD is now arresting anti ICE protesters at a Hilton in Manhattan where. Where protesters are agitators, whatever. These crazy loser leftists are saying that ICE agents are staying there.

[Tim Pool]

This is crazy, man. Look at this. This is like a. This is what Ms. Now actually ran on their tv. Gigachad Petty, Someone called him Alex Prettier.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes, that's about right.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. You know, looking at. Well, they did.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, they did the. The opposite of Joe Rogan. You know, the whole.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, my God. Is the actual video. During COVID video, video evidence from the.

[Libby Emmons]

Scene shows that Preddy got between a woman who'd been pepper sprayed and a federal agent who was pepper spray spraying her. Pretty.

[Tim Pool]

Is then pepper sprayed himself.

[Libby Emmons]

He continues to try to protect her, but he's tackled and restrained before ICE.

[Tim Pool]

Agents open fire on him. I don't even know.

[Libby Emmons]

Again and again and again and again and again.

[Tim Pool]

Not a single shred of video evidence. Let's see if they have the time stamp on Sig's fault.

[Tony Ortiz]

I think we're. We haven't talked about.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, for real. I mean, this is pretty crazy. I've had people hitting me up, asking me if the SIG thing is real. Yes.

[Tony Ortiz]

And I'm like, yeah, absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

And send him the video where the guy pinches it. It fires.

[Tony Ortiz]

Didn't. Didn't the police officer have a misfire like that?

[Phil Labonte]

Discharge like that? They're. They're actually. They're actually. They're firearms instructors. That won't allow people to bring SIG320s to their classes anymore just because it's not worth the risk. So it is real. Get a Glock. That's, that's, that's my call on it. But, you know, I mean, look, you can't. If, if the, if the left will adjust the way Joe Rogan looks to make him look sickly during COVID Yep. So he can, so they can reinforce their narrative. It makes perfect sense. They would do this to make him look more attractive, make him much more of a sympathetic character. Charisma and how attractive a person is, whether we like it or not. That's, that's something that all, all human beings respond to. If you've got a, you know, if you're, if you're some kind of weird looking dude and look pretty, was not a, a particularly, you know, attractive guy generally. So they, I think they removed it.

[Tim Pool]

Because it's not, it's not in here.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, maybe they realized they got played.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. They may have gone on YouTube and then trimmed that out of the video. You can do that. I mean, I can't find it in this clip, but it's on their website. We found that already. Like, this is Ms. Now. It's literally the thumbnail.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, you can tell, man.

[Tim Pool]

I, I just.

[Phil Labonte]

They make him look a lot less like Ari Shafir in the.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, he looks right wing. If I saw that guy in the street and I had to judge it or guess his, like political lean, he's like, yeah, that dude's right wing.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I think they kind of hilarious and true. He does.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

They're like, look, you make it look like he had some steaks, you know.

[Tony Ortiz]

Make him look like he eats protein and works out he's a member of.

[Phil Labonte]

The clean plate club.

[Tim Pool]

I'm curious your thoughts on what's going on right now with Trump saying he called Waltz and that they're going to work on a deal. See, a lot of people on the left are saying Walt surrendered. A lot on the right are saying Trump surrendered. I think this is largely Trump's administration was routed. Pulling out Bavino and reassigning Gnome shows that whatever they were doing wasn't working. Sending in Homan is plan B. But I'm curious what you think if this is a retreat, surrender and on whose part, man?

[Tony Ortiz]

I mean, I like that we were in there. I think the optics look bad. It does look like. It probably does look like a retreat to a lot of people, but I think the Trump administration is going Based off of polling, they saw where the majority of people saw, saw what was happening as like an L. Right. They saw it as a bad thing and they're just responding to that. So as somebody who supports like ice going in and rounding up like horrible people and just people that just shouldn't be here, I kind of view it as a retreat. But I mean, I don't care. I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad. I hope we go into more cities and we continue doing this.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah. I mean look, the, the right that's angry with Trump for not being forceful enough are going to say that it's a retreat. The left, if they think that, that Walt's lost, think that Trump won, fine, I'm cool with that. If that's their perception, you can have that perception. As for me, I kind of want to wait and see what happens. I do think that, that I think Christy Gnomes days are numbered. I think, I think.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And I'm not saying like right away, but I think that she's going to eventually be removed and I think that.

[Libby Emmons]

Who do you think would replace her?

[Phil Labonte]

I have no. Yeah, no, no idea at all. I haven't even looked into like who would be candidates or who might.

[Libby Emmons]

Too bad Giuliani's not up for it again.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, right.

[Tony Ortiz]

But even if it is a retreat, like just fine, go to the next city and do this again. Like just keep doing it.

[Tim Pool]

Like we have another.

[Libby Emmons]

Do it anyway.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We had another angle of the attack on Ilhan Omar and I'm, I'm wondering if, if we play this, you can see the guy where he's sitting. I wonder if we're going to get, if we're able to hear what he says. So must resign or face impeachment. I think you said something, I think you said like she's not resigning or something.

[Phil Labonte]

Maybe.

[Tim Pool]

Cuz she's calling for Christine to resign.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, Democrats are trying to impeach her.

[Tony Ortiz]

She does charge him though.

[Tim Pool]

Are Minnesota strong and we will stay.

[Tony Ortiz]

Resilient in the face of whatever they might throw. I think it's pump, like remember he got shot. And you think it's fake?

[Tim Pool]

Well, the one reason I think it's fake is that she's not reacting to being sprayed with an unknown liquid. Any security team is going to be like, rush them to the bathroom, get the shirt off now. Because it could be a corrosive chemical, there's acid attacks. Or, or it could be, it could be a biological agent of some sort. You can't just Stand there.

[Tony Ortiz]

I think the normal female reaction would be to freak out too. Right? Like, it is a little weird.

[Tim Pool]

It's, it's, it's the response to that when the left is going to be like, Ilhan Omar is strong and refuses to back down. But for her security to be like, nah, just ignore it. He sprayed you with something, you're fine. Like, that's weird to me. I don't know. I'll just put like this. Occam's razor suggests Ilhan Omer has the worst security team I've seen in a long time. I mean, for real, they're like, just keep going about your speech. Don't mind that he sprayed you with something out of a syringe.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, this little bit she keeps going, isn't it? Like, what is on her Everybody material.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think they hired a guy to false flag or anything. I mean, it's a possibility. I just think it's very strange that Ilhan Omar isn't reacting to being sprayed with an unknown substance. I mean you, you get a letter in the mail with white powder and they lock everything down and then they make you like, do a, you know, chemical wash or whatever. Yeah, she got sprayed and she's like, eh, who cares? Well, down. I'm gonna finish my remark. She's shaking. It is important for me to continue to lead my Democratic colleagues in demanding her resignation.

[Tony Ortiz]

What do you think the liquid was?

[Tim Pool]

It's probably water. I think it's water. I don't know. I, I think, I don't think it's actually fake. It is weird though that she's not reacting. It could just be that she's shocked and you can see her hands are trembling.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, look, the point of that is kind of just to be like, you can be touched. You know, it's the scare people. It's like, hey, you can, yeah, we can touch you. You know. So whether or not there was anything that actually is going to cause harm, the point was to be like, hey, you know, See the thing is though.

[Tim Pool]

In, in modern warfare, we know exactly what the outcome of this is. It's a rallying cry for Ilhan Omar. She's going to raise millions of dollars.

[Tony Ortiz]

This is a net gain for Democrats for sure.

[Libby Emmons]

Just her. I mean, the Democrats are all going to use it across the country.

[Tim Pool]

No right wing organizer would advocate for something like this. So then the question is, who benefits when you watch this stuff and it's, no one on the right benefits from attacking Ilhan Omar.

[Libby Emmons]

Nobody. Nobody. It's Interesting, too. I mean, all of our first reactions were. That's terrible.

[Tony Ortiz]

That's what I was going to say. Like, if you reversed. If you reverse the political leanings on.

[Libby Emmons]

This, they would be.

[Tony Ortiz]

They would be celebrating.

[Libby Emmons]

They would love it.

[Tony Ortiz]

The left would love this. Like, oh, I wish. I hope it has assets.

[Phil Labonte]

It.

[Tony Ortiz]

I hope she got hurt.

[Libby Emmons]

Like, they. They still love that. They still love that Charlie was killed.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, some people.

[Ian Crossland]

Some sick people are.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. I mean, there were protesters, I'd argue.

[Tony Ortiz]

The majority of Democrats.

[Libby Emmons]

Minnesota last night. Yeah, there were protesters out in Minnesota last night.

[Tony Ortiz]

No, I said I'd argue that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yelling that to justify that claim.

[Tony Ortiz]

Well, that Democrats celebrated the death of Charlie.

[Ian Crossland]

The majority of Democrats.

[Tony Ortiz]

I would. I would argue that the majority of Democrats were probably okay or happy. Okay or happy with the death of.

[Libby Emmons]

Charlie or chill with it.

[Phil Labonte]

Claiming what?

[Libby Emmons]

Like the thing too.

[Ian Crossland]

People believe. You have no way of proving that.

[Libby Emmons]

Or even there were candidates running for office.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not trying to prove that there.

[Libby Emmons]

Were candidates running for office who were openly, you know, chill with the. The murder of Charlie Kirk and their staffers were chill with the murder of Charlie Kirk that was uncovered. You know, like, undercover journalists got all that information, and all of these people were still elected into office. So even if those Democrats were not, like, yay about it, they were certainly fine with.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, they were okay with it.

[Libby Emmons]

They were fine with the attitude.

[Tim Pool]

A lot of people.

[Libby Emmons]

And I certainly know that when I've talked to, like, I talked to people in my life who were uncomfortable talking about Charlie's death, even though even knowing that I knew him, you know, they were uncomfortable talking about it because they did not want to appear to acknowledge that it was bad that someone who they thought was a racist, horrible person was killed. The people that I'm close to, and it was kind of hard to deal with it. So I don't know if it's necessarily the majority, but I think certainly a lot of Democrats, even in private, were perfectly comfortable with the idea that Charlie was.

[Tim Pool]

You need only look at the man on the street interviews that we've seen from a handful of people where they're literally just in Times Square being like, what do you think? And they're like, well, Charlie was a bad guy.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, Would you.

[Tony Ortiz]

Would you agree that the majority of college campus students were okay with the death of Charlie Kirk?

[Tim Pool]

I don't.

[Ian Crossland]

I can't. I can't know what. How many people is that. That you're talking about?

[Tony Ortiz]

Just an average. Take an average college campus.

[Ian Crossland]

No one could make that assumption accurately.

[Tim Pool]

No, just. Just take a.

[Tony Ortiz]

Just take a. Just take a. Just take a guess. Hold on, hold on.

[Tim Pool]

I got an idea. Let's. Ian, you want to do a speaking tour at colleges?

[Ian Crossland]

I was actually just about to go do that before Charlie got killed. That was on my. Been on my mind a lot, I think.

[Tim Pool]

I think you'll get attacked at every single one, and they'll try and shut.

[Phil Labonte]

You down, and it won't be for anything.

[Ian Crossland]

And I understand why you think it won't be any.

[Phil Labonte]

For anything. You say it'll be for the association.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah. And no right wingers are gonna come in and protect you.

[Ian Crossland]

I understand why you guys would say those things too, you know, because they're likely correct. Well, this is the world you live in, too.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's that. It's not about the world you live in. It's like studying the past to predict the future. Why would you be able to speak at a college campus?

[Ian Crossland]

Because of what I'm talking about.

[Tim Pool]

Why would you.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, I was to speak.

[Tim Pool]

Does it matter what Ben Shapiro was talking about?

[Ian Crossland]

Rice University and talk about graphene or something. Yeah, I could do that.

[Tim Pool]

I'd be willing to make a bet with you that you will be protested and threatened.

[Ian Crossland]

I didn't get attacked when I was there last time.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe I didn't talk about politics. You didn't go on a public speaking, formally promoted poster event.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You showed up, walked in with one or two guys, and no one knew that.

[Ian Crossland]

You think if I did a graphene talk at Rice, I'd get protests?

[Tim Pool]

I think if flyers went up saying Ian Crosland is coming, they would absolutely shut you down.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't. I don't think I'm that divisive.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not even in the public eye. That's not.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, remember, that's not what this is about.

[Phil Labonte]

We said. We said it's not because of you. It's because of the association.

[Ian Crossland]

That's a long association.

[Phil Labonte]

You're on Tim cast every night. Is that a long association?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Is it really?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Why you're here every.

[Ian Crossland]

Like a musician friend. I mean, we're like.

[Tony Ortiz]

You are here.

[Tim Pool]

I love this because, like, the trope of Ian is that he's sleeping, wakes up right before the show starts, sits down, has no idea what's going on.

[Ian Crossland]

I intentionally want to hear about the politics fresh when I get here, but it's not about.

[Tim Pool]

It's not about right now. It's about the past seven years. Like, you've just not listened Well, I mean, Charlie Kirk is dead.

[Tony Ortiz]

Who do you think has a higher chance. Who do you think has a higher chance of getting assaulted on a college campus? Hasan Piker or Tim Pool? Assault, probably.

[Tim Pool]

Think about it.

[Libby Emmons]

You don't have to think about it.

[Tony Ortiz]

Well, that should not be like half answer.

[Ian Crossland]

Even if I think I know what it is, I'm thinking about it. Yeah, I'm gonna think about the question. Answer. I think Tim has a. There's a higher likelihood because of the political climate and the.

[Phil Labonte]

Hasan Piker can go literally anywhere he wants.

[Tim Pool]

Hasan Piker can go into Turning Point USA will not be attacked, and he can go into a leftist protest and he will not get attacked. And Charlie Kirk can't even go to his own event without getting shot and murder.

[Phil Labonte]

It's true.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't. That's a statement I don't disagree with. I mean, the Charlie part I don't disagree with. That was awful. But I don't know, I don't even know why we're talking about, like, how, how wise are people on college campuses? Is that really.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's. It's the political climate and the threat of violence. That's the point being made because you're acting like you're unaware of, of what the left represents and what they'll do. No, like, it's not even a question of the left, it's a question of these jurisdictions. The AG of Virginia wants conservative children to die. His words. They'll teach him a lesson.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah. If you had a right wing AG calling for the death of a Democrat president, the right would disavow that immediately. Yeah, this is horrible. But a left winger AG does this and calls for the death of Donald Trump and they're like, hey, we're going to vote for him. And he might, he might win. To Libby's point. He might win.

[Tim Pool]

He's going to say what he's got to say to win.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. And they have Jay Jones one, Spanberger one, even though one of her campaign aides was caught on camera talking about how everybody on the Span Burger campaign was, you know, not unhappy that Charlie Kirk was killed.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Look, we don't. You don't have to like it, Ian, but that's the real.

[Tony Ortiz]

We're. The protest. Like, we're. It is not a truck.

[Phil Labonte]

It's not a struggle session.

[Ian Crossland]

Sorry to interrupt.

[Tony Ortiz]

I was responding to Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

It's not a struggle.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, no, no. Protest at his house. Yeah.

[Tony Ortiz]

Where's the, where's the right wing response to this? AG calling for the death of President Donald Trump. What are we doing? We're just mad on the Internet talking about it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, to be fair, like the, what you're, what it sounds like you're implying, and I'm hoping that you'll correct me, is you're implying that there should be some kind of kinetic reaction.

[Tony Ortiz]

Well, you would think that there would be at minimum a protest, which I would think was okay. I don't want to call him for violence or any kind of physical action on the guy. Of course not. But you think, you think there would be some at least basic response where like they're protesting his house or they're doing these Democrat wake up calls or whatever.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think that it's, I don't think that, that expecting the right to act like the left is, is a realistic thing, like the right really needs something dramatic to get them out of the, out of the house because again, they, they, they, you know, I honestly.

[Tim Pool]

They got to go to work and stuff. So I don't want to call it a black pill because that is it, that's an, that implies an emotion. But I think mathematically looking at what's going on right now, the forecast is not good for the right in this conflict. There's a combination of a lack of ideological fervor required for, for conflicts like this, lack of organization and lack of self awareness. The, the left has got a bunch of zombies. Zealot retards for sure, but cannon fodders. Cannon fodder. The right relies on government. You know, I was talking about this earlier that in the American Revolution, the Americans were fighting for a dream and the British were fighting partially with mercenaries for pay. Yeah, the people who were dispatched, the regulars, the redcoats, weren't sitting here being like, I have a dream of a great British empire that must be preserved. They were like, this is my, this is my, these are my orders. I guess it certainly there were some, there was a declaration of dependence. They were loyal to the United States, but the Americans were very much like, we are going to have our freedom. And there's all these profound give me liberty or give me death. You don't need to pay someone to fight for that. So I see these conservatives post that leftists are being paid to do this or paid to do that. And, and it's, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the left represents, they represent a zealous ideological fervor. You need no money for that. In fact, you can simultaneously convince these people to sacrifice their own lives and pay you while they do it. That's how much they believe in what they're doing. So the right continues to rely on machines that have failed them, and that is, you can't even arrest Don Lemon, a guy who committed the crime on camera because the judges ideologically oppose you. Because Trump doesn't have the plan or the mechanism to actually deal with enforcing the law in these ways.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, he doesn't, he doesn't really have the ability either. The president can't just, you know, pull judges out. Now.

[Tim Pool]

I, I, they're, they're reporting is they're going to go for an, a grand jury indictment after the fact, but good luck, I guess.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, it, it doesn't, it doesn't look good considering how deep the rod is in our, in, in our judicial system. The judic is the biggest problem we've got now.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because to Tim's point, and this is something I've thought about a lot in terms of the Revolutionary War, because the Americans were willing to do whatever it took. Right. They basically were pulling guerrilla warfare. They were fighting on Christmas. They were doing all of these things that were not part of the rules of warfare. And the British soldiers were like, as you said, there were the Hessians. They were getting paid. They were out there doing what they were told to do. They were, you know, fighting in the way that wars were fought. And they weren't expecting a bunch of scrappy people with, with no food and, you know, eating their horses and all the rest of it to come at them so hard. And we don't have conservatives willing to do that because conservatives are trying to maintain the status quo. They're saying, we built this thing. We'd like to keep the thing we built. And the left is saying, really? Well, we're just gonna burn it down. We're going to torch it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

And it's hard to, it's hard to fight something like that because the left.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, whatever happens for the left is a victory.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm going to jump to things. Good.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story. We have this from Wall Street Mav. Actually, it's from Louder with Crowder. Nick Sorter says the Trump admin has ordered ICE not to arrest, quote, non criminal illegals. One of them actually said, quote, this feels like we have just referred to the Biden days. Here's the report from Steven Crowder and Nick Sorter.

[Ian Crossland]

One of the stories that I've unfortunately been hearing this morning is that Border Patrol agents have now been given new orders not to, for example, if they were to run a license plate, and it comes back as that person is a, an illegal that Border Patrol was forced to let into the country under Joe Biden, they are no longer allowed to arrest that person. And is this the first I know for a fact that's an illegal? Is this new information that you're just, you're just bringing to light right now that these new orders. Okay, and I don't want you to reveal your sources, but you have someone who you trust on this. You believe this is a matter of official actual approach and policy. Now, this, this actually came from two Border Patrol agents, two separate Border Patrol agents on the ground in Minnesota. They're very, very frustrated. Obviously, they feel like one of them actually said that. This feels like we just reverted to the Biden days.

[Tim Pool]

And I want to stress that Nick had the report on Bovino getting pulled out before everybody else. So I trust him. I trust him on this reporting. And this lines up with what we saw. When Trump said that he was pulling Bavino. There were reports that they were planning to withdraw CBP from Minneapolis. And this is why many people are saying Trump has surrendered. Now, I don't see any evidence right now of Trump doing a strategic retreat and regrouping to go back in. Everything suggests Trump is pulling out and backing down.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, two days ago, I couldn't think of any other outcome than that. I just couldn't. In my brain, I was like, there. Any other outcome would be bloodshed that nobody wants except for the zealot street soldiers and the activists that are foreign paid or whatever. But this is it. This was the only outcome I could see. Was that, okay, well, we tried in Minneapolis. It didn't happen in Minneapolis. Move on to the next city and maybe we'll be back in Minneapolis in two years.

[Tim Pool]

You know, there's. There's a bunch of different ways to look at it. And I don't know that I trust the Trump admin enough to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially after the Epstein files. But if you wanted to, you could say Trump's looking at the big picture. Minneapolis is a hotspot that's generating a bunch of negative attention. And this one Flashpoint risks sabotaging his net positive support right now, which CBP and immigration operations. Trump is enjoying a net positive support across many polls. He may be thinking, we've got 60 operations going on across the country. Let's not have this one drag us down in the press. The things where it's going off without a Hitch and quietly, with no press, we will press and maintain. Let's let this one die down. That could be the strategy. Again, just following the Epstein stuff and what we've seen from Trump in his first term, I don't know that I can give him the benefit of the doubt in that regard.

[Ian Crossland]

I think you're right, man. I mean, I'll reiterate if you want me to. I don't know. What do you guys think about it?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, like I said earlier, I don't know what the, what, what the strategy is here. I don't know if there is a strategy even. I think that, like, one of the things that, that I guess that I have a problem with Donald Trump about is a lot of times he just kind of is wishy washy, depending on the polls and stuff. And if he's getting polls that are saying that he's, you know, his favorability is going down too much because of this, he'll pull out, he'll back. He, he's not, I mean, look, he had that, that nickname, Taco. Trump always chickens out, you know, and, and I hope that this isn't the case. I mean, I want to see, I want to see a lot more deportations and particularly in Minnesota, where the government is clearly involved with preventing ICE from carrying out their job. They, they, they got to do something about this because if, if the federal government can't actually execute the law, you know, then other states are going to follow.

[Tony Ortiz]

I suppose if I had to make a art. Sorry, go ahead.

[Libby Emmons]

No, I just think the taco thing is overplayed. I think a lot of times what you see when people start screaming taco is that he has negotiated to the position that he wanted. You know, he just negotiates differently than say, Obama who's like, let me make all of these concessions before I come to the table.

[Phil Labonte]

Fair enough. But if the position that he wanted was just to get, you know, get some of them out, then.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, with Greenland, for example, I think he got the, I think he got what he wanted, fair. He got the land and he got control without having to do very much or outlay much cash other than building bases.

[Phil Labonte]

But this is one of his signature policies, like deportations is one of the things that he ran on. It's one of the reasons people, you know, voted for him.

[Libby Emmons]

Sure. No, I'm with you. And I think that we do need to deport, you know, the criminal illegal immigrant immigrants who are here. I think that, I think we need to deport a lot of the people who came in over the past four years. I think that's really big. We do have a secure border now, you know, and I think that one problem that we're going to have is if the Republicans lose in, in 2028, then we're going to have a situation where, because Congress has not strengthened any of the immigration laws, has not done anything to secure the border, past, you know, past just watching Trump do it, we could get a Democrat in there who just flings open the doors again. So I think that a big part of the problem is not just that we're not doing enough right now. And of course, more could always be done, but I think a big part of the problem is that Congress is continuing to abdicate its responsibility to the White House. And that's going to go very badly for America if the Republicans lose in 2028.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

I completely agree. And it's not.

[Libby Emmons]

Where is Congress? Why are they betraying us?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, because Congress was, Congress was never act like really on board. There's never. The majority they have is razor thin and all it takes is two people to say, no, I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm not down with this because the Democrats almost always vote in lockstep.

[Libby Emmons]

I mean, and we're looking at another government shutdown this week, probably.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, Federman said that he won't, he won't vote for a shutdown like he, that he won't let you know. But that's not.

[Libby Emmons]

The rest of the caucus probably will.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I, I love the Federman meme. He got, you know, bonked on the noggin and now he's, his brain's working properly. You know what I mean?

[Ian Crossland]

That guy's awesome. Michael Malice called it, too.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but he says, he seems to say a lot of the right things, but he votes the wrong way. So.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, if he's, if he don't, if he won't vote for a shutdown or, or what have you, then that's, that's a positive. But, but even still, it's not enough. It's not enough to beat a filibuster.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I think, I think Trump's on this for a while and we've discussed on the show before that there's a realization. I mean, guys, what's silver at 1,110, gold's at 5150. I think Trump knows full well that the collapse of population is going to cook the American economy and many other countries are going to feel the exact same way. And I Think he's very much, you know, they read him the riot act. You deport these illegal immigrants, Biden brought in, economy crumbles and America falters, China takes over. And Trump was like, okay. And so the ICE operations, they're not mass deporting millions. They've gotten estimated in hard deportations, 300,000. That's it. And Trump's targeting the worst of the worst of criminals, which we all agree makes a lot of sense. But I don't think Trump has any intention of going after run of the mill illegals who are just taking jobs.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I tend to agree with that because of his comments about, you know, oh, hospitality.

[Tim Pool]

Remember, he was like, the people who are here, we'll let him stay because we need them. And then he got backlash and then said, ok, no, no, we're going to walk that back. But he's not well.

[Libby Emmons]

But that's what Tom Holman has been saying all along is we're going to deport the worst of the worst. We're going to deport criminal illegal immigrants. You know, and the way that you end up with the deportations of people who are just hanging around is in the sanctuary cities where ICE agents have to go out. And they've said if we encounter people who are here illegally, we'll arrest them too. But they're not going after the people who don't have criminal, you know, convictions or warrants or charges or what have you.

[Phil Labonte]

If they don't pass the SAVE act and figure out a way to secure elections and they don't deport enough people, then the census in 2030 is going to be a mess. And you know, even if Republicans win, but don't do these things, right? So say the Republicans keep the House and they keep the Senate in 2026. And then in 2028, J.D. vance wins, but they don't do anything about the, the, the illegals that are here, then the census is going to be a shit show again and Democrats are going to roll in, you know, in 2022 or 2032.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, and conservatives still don't have a network of mutual aid, etc.

[Tim Pool]

Etc.

[Libby Emmons]

So, well then, then you have like a whole situation, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yours are fought on soldiers bellies.

[Ian Crossland]

You could always send someone some bitcoin via the Rumble Wallet. That's a good network you could utilize.

[Libby Emmons]

Does it? Do wars have to be fought on soldiers bellies in the age of Ozempic when no one eats anymore?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, because calories matter. That's it. And you know, people need to, I think Many people would, would benefit from looking up past conflicts and current ones. And take a look at what happened with the Arab Spring. Especially read the, read the local reports in the history on say what happens to Syria, what happens to Aleppo. Look at these photos of how beautiful Aleppo was. And then after the civil war, it's just rubble, it's just wiped out. So you know, a lot of people commenting, saying things like try that in my town.

[Libby Emmons]

So Jason Aldean said that.

[Tim Pool]

Sure did. And let's say there is a real conflict that breaks out like an actual civil war. Will your small town be able to secure its points of its trade routes, its bridges, its waterways? And where does your water come from? So right now a question for most of you is where does your water come from? I assume most conservatives can answer that question. However, if you're suburban or urban and you're right leaning, you probably don't know. For most conservatives, actually quite easy, you're well, you probably got a well on your property. Most people live in rural areas, have wells. Then the question is, is your, is your groundwater secure and free from possible sabotage or contamination? For rural areas where you're actively involved in conflict, I don't suspect that it's effective for any kind of left wing group to go and try and sabotage 50 different wells. But if you're in a suburb, they often have like water reclamation facilities and closed aquifers. And like outside the Chicago area there are these areas where they collect rainwater and there's areas they have reservoirs and they block them off because they can be easily contaminated. And so it actually happens quite a bit where kids are goofing off and then the police are like, stop, get away from there. Because it could be bad for the water supply. Batman style. Right? When he was gonna put the fear toxin in the water for everybody. But the question is, can you defend where you are? But more importantly, do you have access to resources? The benefit for conservatives is that they tend to have animals in, in rural areas you're gonna have animals, you're gonna have access to your own water, be more self sufficient, but you're further away from everybody. So it's easier to get isolated by a small group of insurgents. And I just think, take a look at those considerations, especially in suburbs. A lot of suburbs tend to be, you know, somewhat right leaning or at least a little bit more conservative, but still dependent on city infrastructure which can be easily sabotaged.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, look, there are a lot of people on the right that are aware of these things that, that you know you call them preppers or what have you. But the. The venom, the vulnerabilities, they tend to be more than one person can handle. So you do need to have some kind of network, you know, That's. That's about all I'm going to say about that.

[Ian Crossland]

So I have a water filter that I carry around with me. It's called a. Oh, geez, what are they called?

[Tim Pool]

Cove Pure.

[Ian Crossland]

No, not that one.

[Tim Pool]

Life straw.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, Life straw. Life straw on my backpack at all times.

[Phil Labonte]

Get a. Get it.

[Tim Pool]

It's actually really scary that people don't know where their water comes from.

[Ian Crossland]

What's that?

[Tim Pool]

People don't. It's scared nobody. It's wild because 100 years ago, every single person knew where their water was coming from.

[Libby Emmons]

From.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like the human phenomenon of no. People not caring until it directs directly affects them, like.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So many things in life are just like, whatever.

[Tony Ortiz]

Until this person can't even name their mayor, probably for their city, I mean.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, Seriously, dude, I'll say this.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, there's a lot of people that. When Covid went down, people were like, running around like, what am I gonna do about this? What am I gonna do about that? My life didn't change one bit, right? Like, I. I went to Walmart and I was like, oh, wow, there's no toilet paper. Good thing I got some at home, right?

[Tim Pool]

Like, I actually got into a fist fight with an old lady over the last can of beans. Knocked her ass out.

[Ian Crossland]

I thought you're gonna say she got.

[Tim Pool]

Hand flew in the air. Caught it. And rent. No, I'm kidding. We were fine. You know, it's the crazy thing about being in the news 24 7, always, every single day, watching the breaking news. We knew it was going on before it even happened. So we. I was covering the. The COVID outbreak in China before anyone in the United States even knew it existed.

[Tony Ortiz]

You probably about knew it as early as, like, November then, right?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, it wasn't. It was.

[Tony Ortiz]

It.

[Tim Pool]

It was early January when people were collapsing on the street, and viral videos in China and YouTube actually told us explicitly, you can't talk about this. It's weird.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that was.

[Tim Pool]

And then they were like, you're not going to get banned for it, but we'll demonetize any video you make. Which is like soft censorship. And I was like, well, I'm not going to ignore. This is crazy.

[Tony Ortiz]

There was a moment with the. Right. When people that saw that stuff that we were panicking. I was buying masks, like, Yeah, I bought a mask.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. People were sending me masks. And then all sudden, a month later, they're like, don't wear a mask. And I was like, huh? Yeah, you sent me a box of masks.

[Tony Ortiz]

Then people were saying all these people were dying and stuff. And then you'd sit around, you look at the numbers, you're like, no, this shit makes sense. It's actually not that bad.

[Tim Pool]

No, I disagree. I think it actually was substantially worse. And I think the real conspiracies, they. They downplay the actual death.

[Tony Ortiz]

So you think more people died in America from COVID than in the world?

[Tim Pool]

In the world, yeah.

[Tony Ortiz]

Huh.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Watch these videos from people who have. You know, I did a reaction video to one of these on the Tim Pool show channel. There's the guy who's like, china. China's supposed to have over a billion people, yet all their city centers are empty. Stores are closing, the malls are empty. They're lying about their population. And I was like, I don't know. Or 300 million people died. They locked them in. Or locked them in their houses where. Where we're at in West Virginia, you know, we've been there for several years since COVID None of the businesses have recovered. And so the question is, how. How have they not recovered? I mean, at least by now, we need food for people now. They're continually collapsing, and they can't find employees to work jobs. And so there's a bunch of arguments as to why it seems that people are gone. One example I gave is on the 4th of July, I think it was last year, we went to Chicago, and I drove through my neighborhood, and there was nobody. When I was a kid growing up on the south side of Chicago, every. Every block, you'd walk down the block, look to your left, kids launching fireworks. You'd walk to the next block, fireworks. You'd go to the.

[Ian Crossland]

You go to.

[Tim Pool]

You go to Vidham Park. They're playing baseball. There's folding chairs everywhere. People are grilling. Everyone's partying. Explosions in the distance. The next day, July 5, we'd go walking down every street, picking up all the free fireworks left behind. Last year I went. Weeds growing in the baseball fields, soccer nets put up in the middle of them, so you can't even play baseball anyway. Nobody was playing soccer. And I was asking my buddies, where is everybody? And they're like, nobody goes outside anymore. And I was like, no, no, no, hold on. You. You. You can't just say they're on the Internet. Because Internet numbers have also gone down Post Covid, during COVID viewership was high. It has normalized. So we're simultaneously seeing no one going outside and we're not seeing the Internet numbers where we, where you'd expect them to be if people were just inside of the Internet. And so there's another element of this is that people didn't have kids. So there are no kids to go outside and play. And I think that a potential component as to why it's not just the US where people are reporting. It seems like towns are empty and there's a bunch of new ghost towns forming, universities collapsing. I think it may actually be that the initial projections on Covid were true and they're just not. They don't want people to know.

[Tony Ortiz]

I don't. You think it's also like a culture change? Like you see these gen zers, they don't. They reported today the Twin Peaks filed for chapter 11. Twin Peaks is like one of these hooter adjacent restaurants and like it's filed for chapter 11 because Gen Zers just don't go out anymore. They don't engage in high risk behavior. They don't drink, they don't smoke, they don't, they don't, they're not having sex.

[Tim Pool]

We're not seeing the online viewership numbers.

[Tony Ortiz]

You don't think there's more content out there? Like there's more people?

[Tim Pool]

There is, but we're actually seeing viewership go down for everybody.

[Libby Emmons]

Aren't we having like a population collapse? This is something Elon Musk.

[Tim Pool]

So that's Gen Alpha. So the question is, but millennials all the same. So there was this video where is a Chinese guy talking about China's supposed population of 1.4 billion, yet all of the major roadways are closed, like are empty. Since COVID it seems like there's nobody around anymore. And that doesn't make sense for us for a country that has 1.4 billion. So he said, I think China's lying about their population, actually have 500 million. And I'm like, or a lot of people are dead.

[Tony Ortiz]

So you think that Covid just wiped out a ton of.

[Tim Pool]

Not saying. I, I know for sure. I'm saying it's an interesting idea. We know that China was running crematoriums non stop. We had, we had the satellite images, even cnn. This is because I did a, I did a big thing breaking this down. CNN reported during COVID China was running crematoriums 24 7. You can see the smoke rising. And, and, and during COVID we had talked about it and it's not like this is never a big conspiracy that was happening again. CNN reported China was running crematoriums 247 and they were. And it particularly freaky as to why.

[Tony Ortiz]

Display in the US population then what about it? Well like you're saying that viewerships down here American that would imply that more there's less Americans now.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Yeah. We're seeing businesses close at least post Covid business haven't recovered.

[Tony Ortiz]

What I'm saying is anecdotal because I'm in Texas. I didn't see I anecdotally I know three people that died of COVID personally. Yeah, I caught Covid twice.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think I know anyone there.

[Tim Pool]

I know that they were all boomers in my.

[Tony Ortiz]

They were like really?

[Tim Pool]

There are, there are businesses in the, in like western Maryland, Virginia and the West Virginia area that have never recovered after from COVID They've shut down, never come back. And there were businesses that did try to come back and then I don't, I don't want to single out anyone's private details but there's a restaurant that closed and we used to eat there and I asked people how did they go out of business? I don't understand. And they said they couldn't find any staff, they couldn't find anybody to work.

[Libby Emmons]

There was a restaurant I really liked and it went under too and that was why. And then they switched and like you couldn't, you could only get takeout and you couldn't sit down.

[Tim Pool]

There's also a friendly stop doing breakfast.

[Libby Emmons]

Really?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But super, super high. Some, some high end restaurants in our area announced they were just going under because they couldn't find people to work.

[Tony Ortiz]

In our area the Walmart stopped being 24 7.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tony Ortiz]

They closed at 10 and they.

[Tim Pool]

I think we have seen signs of population collapse across the board post Covid that isn't explained by. People are just at home.

[Libby Emmons]

Well and West Virginia is a state that people have been moving into.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

More than out of.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this. We'll get one more segment. And this is from Interactive Polls. This is a hammer drop politically. The 2030 Census apportionment forecast update. Take a look at this. This actually is also just generally showing you net in migration. So California is going to lose four organs losing a seat. And then you can look Idaho, Utah and Arizona gaining a seat. You've got Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois losing seats and they're losing two. New York losing two. You've got PA losing one seat. Look at that. Texas Gains four new seats. Florida gains four. Georgia gains one. North Carolina gains one. You can see everybody's fleeing.

[Tony Ortiz]

U Haul publishes every year they publish a report based on how many people are booking one way trucks to a specific area. And Texas had the top five cities or top four. I think it was like Austin, Dallas, Houston and McKinney.

[Libby Emmons]

Where's that?

[Tony Ortiz]

McKinney. Texas is north east of Dallas.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Tony Ortiz]

It's a suburb. So yeah, everybody's coming to Texas. And I don't blame him. Sex. Somebody's from Texas.

[Tim Pool]

Poor Rhode island, losing a seat.

[Libby Emmons]

Are you born and raised in Texas?

[Tony Ortiz]

No, from Illinois? Chicago.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, you're from Chicago.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, Lower east side.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. Did I know that? I probably knew that.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We probably talked about. We probably talked about Portillo's quite a bit.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, we have. Portillo's in Texas now.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Because also another. Another funny thing is in N outs left, California, right? Oh, wow.

[Libby Emmons]

They're in Tennessee, their headquarters.

[Tony Ortiz]

And we're getting. We're getting White Castle in Texas here soon.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah. Everybody's coming to Texas.

[Libby Emmons]

West Virginia.

[Tony Ortiz]

Well, I should say. I shouldn't say. We have hills. We have hills and sand dunes.

[Libby Emmons]

But you like late countries too.

[Tim Pool]

I. I don't like. It is unfortunate. I don't like Florida or Texas. Texas is very boring.

[Tony Ortiz]

It's very flat. There's not a lot to do. A lot of poker rooms and have sex and I guess backdoor poker rooms.

[Libby Emmons]

Take your catch up with all that sex.

[Tim Pool]

They got big billboards in.

[Tony Ortiz]

In Texas.

[Tim Pool]

Texas.

[Tony Ortiz]

Gambling's illegal in Texas.

[Tim Pool]

Not poker rooms. Texas.

[Tony Ortiz]

Oh, like, okay.

[Tim Pool]

Casinos are illegal.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, yeah. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

The.

[Tim Pool]

The Lodge Card club Shout out. Probably the one, the most notable card room I would imagine anywhere. And it's Texas, baby.

[Tony Ortiz]

They keep trying to legalize casinos in Texas and they just won't do it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you've got. What is it, World stars or not? Not world star. What's the. In Oklahoma? The biggest casino in the.

[Tony Ortiz]

I forget. But they lobby against legalizing.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Tony Ortiz]

In Texas because they would hurt.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Tony Ortiz]

The casinos on the border of Oklahoma. They suck. We. I took the wife once and she.

[Tim Pool]

Was like, no, no, not that horrible. Not that one. What's called. I've never been there, but it's apparently like miles wide.

[Tony Ortiz]

Really? I'll have to go look at that.

[Libby Emmons]

It's like on an Indian resident.

[Tony Ortiz]

Where do you fall on the pro gamble or pro casino?

[Tim Pool]

I am, I am. I am anti. I'm actually ambivalent. I think the problem with gambling expansion is that like the Ubiquity breeds addiction. But I also am not someone who thinks we should ban things based on someone else's addictions, otherwise we'd be banning alcohol too. I think a lot of. A lot of conservatives are very moralistic and like, gambling is bad. You never allow it. And I'm like, well, a guy who gets off work and goes to, you know, the sports book with his buddies and puts 50 bucks down on his super bowl or something just to have a good time, and that's all he does. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. He's trying to get a little excitement on Friday night with the boys. He's been occupied with work, and he wants to, you know, he wants to feel that. That rush when the. When. When he sees it coming in and he's bet on his, you know, his money line, he's like, yeah. And it's just 50 bucks. It's a problem when you see people. I've heard stories, man. There was a lady, she got arrested. She mortgaged her house without her husband knowing and then took the money to casino. Lost it all in like a half an hour, and then started having panic attacks. I've heard stories about a guy did the same thing. And there, there you see it all the time, man. You go to these casinos and you wonder how it is. I tell you, I wonder how it is. I watch a guy at a craps table with 10 grand just playing craps. And I'm like, what does this guy do? Actually, I'll tell you a funny story. We were at Hard Rock in Tampa this past weekend. Me and my boy Robbie shout out Robbie Mann. And we were in the high limit area, and I was talking with one of the servers, and she had brought. She had brought a drink to Robbie. And so we gave her a tip. And she was like, oh, thank you. And it was a good tip. And then she was surprised by it, which I didn't think was actually that big of a tip. And I asked her, I was like, do people in the high limit, like, not tip you? And she's like, well, you'd be surprised. And I was like, I guess not. Because the perception is either they're rich snoots that don't actually want to give any money away, and that's why they're rich. That's actually not true. The reality is the people who are playing in there are pretending to be rich. Yeah, they don't actually.

[Tony Ortiz]

50K millionaire.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean, I was. I was playing at MGM in D.C. i was playing some poker, and A guy sat down and it's one of the funniest experiences. I love this stuff, man. And he's throwing money around like a lunatic. It's low stakes, it's a $500 buy in. And that's, that's low stakes. And he makes a dumb bet, loses. And then he goes, you think I care? And then he pulls out a wad of cash. I got $10,000 right here. And everyone goes, whoa. And then I was like, wow, man. And he goes, he's like, yeah, this money doesn't mean anything. And he throws more bills on the table. And he's like, buy me back in. And then he kept doing that. And then I was like, if you don't mind me asking, like, what do you do for a living? And he goes, I'm an Engineer, I make $600,000 a year. And it's like, okay, you know, you got money to spend, but $600,000 a year? I mean, so he's after taxes, Maybe he's doing 30k a month take home. He's living in DC which can be moderately expensive, but he might have like $15,000 disposable income every month to go and throw around for 3, 4 grand at a poker table. But you can't do that every day, you can't do that every weekend. It's something where this guy probably shows up once every other month to dump three grand and pretend that he's ultra wealthy super rich people. The story is that Bill Gates walked into a casino, put $20 on blackjack, lost and went, I'm done. And walked out like he didn't need to play. So anyway, the point is, I find that you go to these casinos, most people don't have the money to play at these levels. And it's insane that they do. So, like there's a game. Are you familiar with at all with casino games or anything like that?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Do you know what Mississippi stud is?

[Tony Ortiz]

I don't.

[Tim Pool]

Mississippi stud, we call them carnival games. You will ante. So you'll, let's say it's a ten dollar minimum. You put ten bucks down, dealer gives you two cards. You look at them. If they're good, you can bet $10 for them to reveal a third card. If you like it, you can bet again. He'll flip over a fourth card, then a fifth card. Give me a five card poker. And you get jacks or better. You win money. So the way it works is let's say you get dealt ace, king. If you put 10 bucks down, you look down at ace king.

[Phil Labonte]

It's good.

[Tim Pool]

You pay 10 more dollars and they'll flip over the next card. Let's say they flip over an ace. You have a pair of aces, you're a winner. So then you can triple up the next two spots because you know you've already won. That's the game, right? So I'm, I'm 10 bucks means if you want to play a full hand, at minimum it's $40. At maximum it's a hundred dollars. Who the is betting $100 a hand? A hand takes 20 seconds. Then you go to some of these casinos like MGM or you go to Hard Rock, Tampa. I mean literally any casino. And we're there on Saturday night and the minimum is $25. That means at minimum one hand is $100. At maximum $250. Who the is sitting down and being like I can play a 22nd game for $250 consistently for the next hour. I don't, I don't get it, man. That, that's, that stuff makes no sense to me.

[Tony Ortiz]

Degenerate behavior.

[Tim Pool]

I think what people are doing is the, and you can see this the way the casinos do their, their, their tier structures or reward structures. It looks to me based on like the Hard Rock tier structures. They expect most people to play like once every four months. It's ridiculously easy to get status with Hard Rock. Seems like their players are largely tourists who fly in, lose their money instantly and just leave right away. And then you look at the Penn casinos for which they're the second biggest casino network. It's ridiculously hard to get status. They expect you to be a regular who lives in PA who goes every day to the casino and grinds money or something. So anyway, long story short, casinos are bad that we're expanding them so rapidly. I got no problem with like, oh, there's a casino a couple hours drive and you go there and you have fun. But it is getting pretty terrifying that we have a gambling economy. Especially Gen Z is just, just Gen Z is becoming just enthralled with gambling.

[Tony Ortiz]

Oh yeah, this, prediction companies. There's like prediction betting is huge even in politics. Like you can bet on the outcomes of races.

[Tim Pool]

I mean here's a crazy thing. This is the future economy. It's the prediction economy. We have an attention economy right now. But if you are someone who's smart, this is going to be really weird. So the people who watch Tim cast IRL can probably become millionaires off of any prediction market. It, if you watch the show Every single night. I'll put it like this. If you watch every video I make, you are going to be on the forefront of what is happening in news. You'd then go to a prediction market and if they're saying something like will Donald Trump, you know, do a backflip or whatever and you can be like, wait a minute, I was just. It's a 60%. Yes. I literally just watched Tim Pool show a statement from Trump saying, tomorrow at 9am I'll do a backflip. I'm buying. Yes. And then Trump does it. Because you're paying attention to the news. I talked about this with stock trading. Like if I hired someone to trade stock based on the news reports we covered, I'd be a billionaire right now. Because like so for example, when Elon was buying X and the Tesla stock collapsed, I'm like, that makes no sense. Tesla's doing great. The media is the stock. People are just selling the stock because they're scared about Elon making a risky venture on X. So I bought a ton of Tesla stock stock paid out handsomely. So these prediction markets I think we're going to find is there's right now, I guarantee you we're on the verge of seeing ton of Gen Z influencers who literally just can understand what's likely to occur and they bet on it and they win and there's going to be jobs rooted in and the AI is going to track it. Predictions, human networks that predict things. The AI then puts that in its machine.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, I was going to say, wouldn't it just be easier just to feed all these videos and like all this into AI and have the AI like make bets based off of what's going on.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sure now it's not really capable of doing it, but it's the inverse. It's that the prediction markets are the, are the wisdom of the crowd determining the probability of an event to occur. And that is fed into the AI. And the AI then can utilize that for, you know, assessments of whatever their plan is or you know, what they want to do.

[Ian Crossland]

You know what I think I don't like about gambling? Because I do kind of like gambling losing. It's fun. Is online gambling the accessibility to it, like because they could easily winstar someone, sorry, someone could develop an app where it's just a big red button and every time you press it there's a 49% chance you double it and a 51% chance that it goes to zero that exists and it's directly tied to your bank account. And everyone over 18 might have it. You just hit there and slam the button over and over to your account either says plus or minus in that. What's it called?

[Tim Pool]

So all of these online apps have a game where it's 0 to 100 and then you can change the range for the payout. So you can put it at 1 through 25. And when you press the button, if the, if the RNG hits 1 to 25, you'll win, you know, 3 to 1 or whatever. And so people literally just mash the button and then you see it go 43, 17, 16, 81. And they're going, yes. And their money's going.

[Ian Crossland]

I think I've seen already exists in those situations, they have to deposit money into an account with that service in order to use it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's, it's technically yes, but it's. But if it's crypto based, they're basically using their address and just having them.

[Ian Crossland]

That's risky because you want to create friction. For vices in general, you know, adults can handle them in moderation, but for kids to go out there and just be like, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash. And like, lose, lose, lose, lose, lose. And then they lose. And especially if it's direct, here's the account and it's like auto deducted. You got to be careful.

[Tim Pool]

There are, there are these prominent gambling influencers where you only ever see their big wins. And the perception created in the casinos, love it, is that you can be a winner too.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But these, these slots, these machines, they don't work this way. Well, it's funny, I watch these videos where it's someone, some guy's like, I'm going to be betting $2,000 a spin. And then they hit the million dollar win and it's like, yeah, that doesn't happen. So there's one theory that there it's all rigged and fake. What one theory is that what will happen is an influencer will go to the casino and say, I want to make a video where I play baccarat and win a bunch of money or lose a bunch of money. They'll hand the chips to you, you'll film the hand win, they'll give you the chips. You go, yeah, I won. Camera's off, your chips back. So you never actually had the money or you lose. Never actually had the money, or they point you to machines that they have set to win better. There's, there's the argument is that typically they say slot machines are all regulated. They have to pay out Based on rng. No one believes that. No one. That makes no sense. Because the argument would then be a casino would buy a slot machine and at the moment they put it in, you hit a button and win a million dollars. Well, how is the casino going to pay out that million dollars if they just got the machine in there? So the assumption people make is the machine has to take in a certain amount of money before it can pay out. Now the legitimate argument is no. The casinos have to have a cash reserve for the potential for any payout before offering up any wagering. Makes sense, right? Talk to any slot manager or slot dealer and they tell me the same thing every time. The new machines never pay out. It takes a few months before the people hit jackpots. Same thing every time. I was at, when we were at Tampa and the high limit slots, this guy, he puts in five grand and he's like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna show you guys something. And he puts in five grand to a huff and puff and he, he just, he hits it. Ten minutes later, all gone. His money was gone. And you, and he goes, he says, you got to play this machine right now. So I sit down, I put in 100 bucks, I hit the button twice. Ten dollar spins, I won 2200 bucks. Because the, the assumption people have is the machines are programmed to take in a certain amount before they can pay out a lesser amount. Now you were told by the gaming commissions and everybody. That's not correct. It doesn't work that way. But it certainly seems to appear that way to literally everybody who gambles.

[Ian Crossland]

Is a code proprietary? Are you familiar?

[Tim Pool]

Oh yeah, it's all proprietary. Yeah. A lot of the machines are Konami machines. Yeah, I don't trust any of it.

[Phil Labonte]

I think Konami machines.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Konami, the gaming company.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Yeah.

[Tony Ortiz]

Pachinko machines. Pachinko machine.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's also like, we talked about Mississippi. A lot of casinos don't, Very rarely do see hand shuffle for table games in Vegas. It was the way they dealt it was they have a shuffle, a shuffle master shuffles the deck, pulls it out, then they cut the deck. However, for a lot of these games, the machine will auto shuffle and the machine knows exactly how many players are at the table. So it'll spit out the first hand, he'll hand it to you, it'll spit it second hand, he'll hand it to you and then it'll spit out the third hand, he'll hand it to you, it'll spit out the Fourth hand and it'll press the button and I'll spit the whole deck out.

[Tony Ortiz]

Out.

[Tim Pool]

That tells the machine three players. The presumption people have. Again, maybe it's a conspiracy, is that I put the argument like this. If it is legal for a slot machine to pay out only at 90%, meaning they can control the outcome, it's not random. Why would it not be legal for shuffle machines to rig the shuffling of the decks to guarantee they only pay out at 90%?

[Ian Crossland]

You're saying it is legal for the slot machines to pass it?

[Tim Pool]

It is the standard that slot machines pay out. You can check. Every state has a different number based on their gaming commission. Vegas is considered to be the best. They have machines that are on a 99 payout. That means for every hundred dollars that goes in, 99 goes out. You're hoping to be that person who puts in the dollar and wins the 99. Right. And that's, that's, that's the norm for slot machines. The, the argument for games like blackjack, when they use a big auto shuffler but they cut that it's a lot harder. And, and blackjack's probably one of the safest games. But for games like ultimate hold' Em Four card Poker, where a machine deals the hands out, it's. It would be really easy for the machine knowing how many players are at the table because of how many hands go out, to routinely determine the proper shuffling of deck to make sure the casino wins. Only pays out 10% of the money that comes in.

[Ian Crossland]

And like for one hand, I mean, the code could shift for a hand if it's remote, and then there's two decks.

[Tim Pool]

So the way it works is the next hand is already shuffled. When this hand is being played, the deck goes in, it eats the machine, and then it spits out the next cards, so it's already preloaded. The other thing to understand is that random doesn't exist in computer code. There are ways to simulate it using static, for instance, but it's typically an algorithm to simulate rng, which means, to be fair, it's not really random when a machine shuffles a deck, but they're probably using, you know, hash codes that generate 15 billion potential shuffle orders. So you're technically getting RNG.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to get really good at rolling dice because there's nothing random. You're throwing a thing that's skill shot.

[Tim Pool]

And dice is possible. And that's why casinos have added ridges on the back of craps tables and require the dice to hit the back wall if you throw about three times without hitting the wall. They'll tell you you have to hit the wall, otherwise they're gonna, they're gonna stop you from rolling. So you'll watch any. Any. I don't say pro because it's not really a game. You get pro at craps is fairly random, but they line the dice up a specific way and they throw it a certain way because you can skill shot dice.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah, it's too stressful, man. I play arc raiders. That's stressful enough.

[Ian Crossland]

I used to trade crypto in the day. That was. Get a lot of stress. Well, your own money is coming in and going out and it's.

[Tim Pool]

Crypto is basically printing money. It's so easy to get rich off crypto, though.

[Ian Crossland]

If you read the white papers, it is. You see them coming ahead of time. You're like, no, it's not even that big. At least this is like 2018 when I was doing it.

[Tim Pool]

It's, it's, it's, it's memes. It's ridiculous. Like, this is why. Oh, this funny story. Did you see the guy who launched a. A token and then rugged. The first guy who bought a dollar that was so good. Launched a coin. A guy bought $1 and then he rugged them. We got to go to rumble rants and chat. So smash the like button shared the show with every person you've met in your life. You can follow me on Exit Instagram and Tim cast all that good stuff. Let's see what you guys have going on in these chats. Shades Wilder says, as a Texan trying to get home on a delayed flight from D.C. i want to remind all Texans that congressional special general runoff elections are this Saturday. Go vote.

[Phil Labonte]

Go vote.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Big one.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, Midwest says with the overwhelming evidence coming out of Minnesota with signal gate, what was the point of designating antifa a terrorist organization? Especially to the degree of how they're operating. They're not being. What is it they're trying not to be? Black belt. I think Trump surrendered. I think Trump is largely like, look, just don't put me in prison.

[Ian Crossland]

You know somebody last week who was the guest on Friday, he was saying Trump's a. Or somebody said Trump's a populist. And I think he was right. You might say he was.

[Tim Pool]

He doesn't really.

[Ian Crossland]

He's not really appealing to his base. He doesn't really care.

[Tim Pool]

The base got him in.

[Ian Crossland]

Now he's in now. He just wants to be liked.

[Tim Pool]

Like, not just.

[Ian Crossland]

But it's important to him. It's Always been important appeals to the masses.

[Phil Labonte]

The idea that, that you could ever appease the left at this point is ridiculous though. And I, I, I hope there's someone around him that's like, look, you need to do what you're gonna do and you need to take the idea of appeasing the left and them actually just letting you live out your life afterwards and throw that idea out because they're not gonna, they are absolutely not going to, I mean, there are people that are talking like there's a guy that's talking about, you know, throwing him in jail and making sure that he gets killed for what nobody knows. But you know, that's right, you know, he's, he, but he's sure he's going to do it. This, the days of, of amicable politics are gone. And the right needs to realize that because the left is absolutely aware of it and they're going to start, they're going to be looking to put people in jail after when the, when the, this administration, administration's out.

[Tony Ortiz]

It's not enough to just say, hey, we're going to win our next election. We're gonna get it this time. It's, we're, no, we're gonna kill our opponent.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well, I mean, that's true.

[Tim Pool]

It's like, it's like we, we literally.

[Phil Labonte]

Are, have devolved to Banana Republic style politics. Like this is, this is third world shit. That's the way the, the Democrats are behaving now.

[Ian Crossland]

But don't you think if Trump works with them a little bit, a little communism will be okay? Like we can finally make it work?

[Tony Ortiz]

Right?

[Phil Labonte]

Are you? No.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I am triggering you.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I was trying to.

[Tim Pool]

Ian was, he had an epiphany earlier. We were outside and he was just like, now that I think about it, I think it would be good if we had no borders and kids were getting sex changes.

[Ian Crossland]

I think about that every day.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you think about.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, constantly. I can't get out of my brain. That's why I brought it up to Tim. No, just kidding. But I have prayed for a world with no borders. If we, if we were all one unified nation, but decentralized like the way that Texas and Ohio are unified, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Tell me you've never been to Eritrea without telling me you've never been to Eritrea.

[Ian Crossland]

I've never been to that place you were talking about.

[Tim Pool]

I love it. It's like every time there's some hippie liberal who's like, we should just have like one world and no borders, I'm like, tell me you've never been to Honduras without telling me you've never been to Honduras.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you think the US Is only awesome because the rest of the world sucks? No offense. Rest of the world. Because you don't all suck. But it's only like, if everybody was like, the U.S. we wouldn't be that great.

[Tim Pool]

You think the U.S. is awesome because you have American values. You have. Have Christian, traditional values, but somebody who's.

[Libby Emmons]

From, like, you know, Somalia, where corruption is really high.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The rest of the world, they're like, this country's awesome because I can take whatever I want. And these people.

[Tony Ortiz]

I was cracking up. This girl went to Syria to open up a coffee shop where Syrians can be whatever they want. They can have freedom and all this stuff. She goes to Syria, she uses her entire life savings to open up this coffee shop. She gets lawyers to sign on a contract for a place to rent and, like, furniture and everything. And it went great for, like, I think, like a week. And then she come to find. She comes to find out that everything was fake. Everything, everything was fraudulent. She got completely ripped off. She ended up getting arrested because the police colluded with the. With the other people. And she spent some time in jail. Like, she lost her entire life savings because she didn't realize, like, this Syrian culture was like, very. Like, there's a lot of fraud that goes on or she lost everything. How about a couple. I was gonna say, like, you don't realize, like, open border sounds really great, but a lot of these cultures, people don't know how to deal with them. You go to another place and you can't. You can't exist.

[Tim Pool]

You remember the couple that wanted to ride their bikes around the world to show that people weren't so different, and they got beheaded in Tajikistan.

[Tony Ortiz]

Or the really popular.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And the really popular thing is these.

[Tony Ortiz]

White women go to India. They're like, oh, I'm gonna go to India and show how, like, great this is. And then they get assaulted.

[Libby Emmons]

Right? They get gang raped on a bus.

[Tony Ortiz]

Yeah. Or what did you say?

[Libby Emmons]

There's all these, like, American women who are like, oh, I'm getting. Gonna move to some faraway place. And they get there and then they start sending videos home. Like, there was this. I think it was a black woman moved to some country in Africa, and she was all very excited about it, and she was like, no, don't do this. Don't do this. I'm American, and now I'm stuck here. I can't get home. And this Is not my culture. You know, America is my culture. I think that. I think we do have a false perception. And I think this is part of the problem with open borders and with mass migration is that we assume that people who come here are going to share our same values. And we don't realize that we are basically just fish who don't know what water is because we're swimming in it.

[Tony Ortiz]

Have you?

[Libby Emmons]

And it's not. These are not universal values. I get into this argument with my mother all the time who's like, she's a staunch leftist. And I'll be like, mom, you just think that everyone has these same values. These values are earned. We worked hard for these values and we worked hard to build a civilization with these values. They don't just happen naturally. You have to fight for it, you know?

[Tony Ortiz]

Question. Have you traveled a lot internationally?

[Ian Crossland]

A couple, yeah, I've been to South America for a few. Couple months. Peru and Chiles in the jungle a little bit in Peru and then I was in Scotland. I went to Edinburgh and I was in Paris a little bit.

[Tony Ortiz]

Okay, so in Canada, have you found any countries particularly more dangerous than the others?

[Ian Crossland]

Chile was interesting. There are feds on every. Not every street corner, but the feds were patrolling the street corners. I felt that was putting my safety at risk because if the federal government turned on me, I'm like, there's nowhere to hide in this country. But no, to answer your question bluntly, no. They all kind of felt the same. They were all like liberal, left leaning, homogeneous.

[Tim Pool]

This is the issue, I think.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, the. No, no. The jungle was by far the most dangerous. The jungle is like your pocket will get picked if you turn your back. Dude would swim out into the river where people are canoeing with a machete and board their canoe and like you take them, you know.

[Tony Ortiz]

Would you open your borders to those types of people?

[Ian Crossland]

No, no. I'm not an open borders guy, okay. I just have a fantasy about in the future, one day maybe we could have a United States of Earth or something.

[Tim Pool]

Once we started all the undesirables, we can open all the borders. Sure.

[Ian Crossland]

Or make them more desirable.

[Phil Labonte]

Stuff talking man.

[Tim Pool]

In order to graduate high school, we drop you in the woods for two weeks.

[Ian Crossland]

Boy Scouts. No, it wasn't the cub Scouts.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't think they were boy scouts. Dropped in the middle of the woods.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what the boy scouts like.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, maybe three days. I think two weeks is good though. And we'll monitor your vitals and if you're about to die, we'll pull you out.

[Libby Emmons]

These were like Native American rites of passage.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. Because what happens now is we have all these hippie dippy morons being like, why can't we just let everybody in? It's like, because that guy wants to cut your head off. And he's literally like. There is literally a fence and he's snarling and waving a machete saying he's going to chop your head off. And you're like, but can't we just. I mean, just imagine, you know, we. You know what we need, Ian? We got rumble shorts launching soon, and we need to get a video producer to do this one minute, these minute and a half stories. Because the perfect analogy here is there's two guys, and one guy's like wearing a blue shirt, the other guy's wearing a red hat. And the guy in the blue shirt's like, I'm just saying, like, why don't we let them in? They need help. And then the guy goes, because it's dangerous. And he goes, that's racist. There's nothing dangerous. It's literally zombies going, yeah, he's hungry.

[Tony Ortiz]

There was this old.

[Libby Emmons]

Flesh. It's not his fault. He eats flesh.

[Tony Ortiz]

There was this old British show.

[Tim Pool]

It's a different way of life, you.

[Tony Ortiz]

Know, I can't remember. There was old British show and I can't remember the name. Somebody will know it. But, like, they used to send this guy to foreign countries and he hated traveling and he just had to, like, travel this foreign country. He was like, it was miserable. He had a horrible time. Where we take, like, the biggest hippie left wing person that's all pro open. They were doing it and send them to, like, a horrible state. I just tried to stay there for like five days. I see their opinion when they come.

[Tim Pool]

I have offered to pay for people's trips to Gaza and they won't do it. The moment I say fully paid round trip to Gaza, they stop responding.

[Tony Ortiz]

You gotta make. I'm sure there's a leftist out there that'll do. They just gotta figure it out.

[Tim Pool]

Huh? You think I wouldn't take that? Here are my terms. I'm like, agreed. When do you want to go? And they go, well, I can't go. I'm like, huh?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

How about Morocco?

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

What's going on in Morocco?

[Tim Pool]

It's extremely dangerous. West Africa?

[Phil Labonte]

Not me.

[Tim Pool]

How about South Africa? Nope, don't go there.

[Ian Crossland]

I defer to the expert.

[Phil Labonte]

South African. Nope, don't go there.

[Tim Pool]

Nope.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep, the jungle might still be cool if you want to go?

[Tim Pool]

How about Rhodesia?

[Libby Emmons]

I'm good without any of that.

[Tim Pool]

Zimbabwe? What about China? But yeah, we got to get these, these shorts little.

[Ian Crossland]

I wrote that one down because that's.

[Tim Pool]

That'S an easy little one minute thing where it's like, but he's hungry.

[Ian Crossland]

A few people to break their faces like zombies.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Riley Butt says Tim reculture and civil war. What is your position? Soldier? Propagandist? General? Why are you not a valid target? And said war Praying everyone stay safe. I'm a target before the war. They're trying to kill me now. So, you know, what do you mean, what's my position? I don't know. Whatever it needs to be. I, I think that the fighting will be done by actual fighters. But I would argue that people like me are substantially better strategists than most of the libtards. So, you know, it depends. It really depends. I'm. I'm absolutely certain. I'm absolutely certain. Nay, I am so confident that when all order breaks down and people are fighting in the streets, the people are going to beg for some dude to sit in a room and complain about stuff to them. That's. They're going to say, listen, I'm starving to death, I'm thirsty, but I really just want to hear you complain. And I'll be like, well, do you have water?

[Phil Labonte]

Do you have water? Or do you have the most recent upload from Tim Pool?

[Tim Pool]

I am under no illusions that what I do will be important if society breaks down. Thank you. We're going to the uncensored portion of the show. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast. We're going to [e-mail] Timcast IRL in just a few minutes. Tony, you want to shout anything out?

[Tony Ortiz]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Libby Emmons]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

We'll see you [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out.