Thomas Massie LOSES Election, EXPLOSIVE Thrown At PA Polling Site w/ Steve Friend & Scott Presler

Summary

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Timcast IRL Podcast Summary

Episode: "Thomas Massie LOSES Election, EXPLOSIVE Thrown At PA Polling Site"

Date: May 20, 2026
Host: George Santos (guest-hosting for Tim Pool)
Panelists: Chris Carr, Scott Pressler, Steve Friend, Tate
Notable Topics: Thomas Massie’s primary defeat, Trump’s grip on GOP, political spending, PA polling site explosion, immigration, party dynamics, Trump endorsements

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Episode Overview

This high-energy episode features George Santos filling in for Tim Pool, joined by Chris Carr, Steve Friend, Scott Pressler, and Tate for a deep-dive into the breaking news of Thomas Massie’s shock defeat in the Kentucky GOP primary. The panel dissects the implications of Massie's loss, the MAGA movement’s dominance, explosive tactics at Pennsylvania polling sites, shifting GOP and Democratic strategies, political fundraising, Trump’s latest endorsements, and America’s immigration debates.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Thomas Massie’s Shocking Primary Defeat

(Starts ~06:57)

• Immediate Reactions:

  • George Santos shares his close working relationship with Massie but notes his surprise at the result.
  • Panelists discuss the extinction of the Ron Paul/Justin Amash libertarian faction in the House.
  • “If you go for the king, you better not miss. And when you miss… Massie made his bed.”
    —George Santos (06:57)

• Root Causes:

  • Chris Carr: Massie’s anti-Israel/anti-AIPAC angles; he “thought the anti-Trump energy was going to be a lot larger… Twitter is not reflective of the GOP base.” (09:36)
  • Scott Pressler: Trump’s grip on the party now seems total. “President Trump has just asserted himself as he is the party. Go along with the president or you are probably going to lose your seat or get ousted.” (11:47)
  • Steve Friend: The disconnect between what’s big ‘online’ (Epstein lists, anti-establishment) and what motivates actual GOP base voters. (12:07)

• Demographics & Generational Split:

  • Early data shows voters 18–45 backed Massie, while 45+ opposed him—suggesting an age wedge in GOP. (14:45)

• Fundraising & Agenda:

  • Record sums ($32.6M+ on ads) spent to unseat Massie; critiques over money spent in safe races rather than swing districts. (19:14)
  • Goal was to “send a message”—support Trump or be ousted. (28:47)

• Notable Quote:

  • “This is sending a message that says: get on the train, support the agenda, or we are coming for you.” —Scott Pressler (28:47)

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2. The Trump Takeover and Party Realignment

(Interwoven throughout; e.g., 08:22, 29:26, 54:00+)

• The GOP is rapidly consolidating around Trump. Incumbents not fully on board (like Massie, Cassidy, Cornyn) face defeat.

• Other libertarian/crosscurrent voices are eliminated or silenced (“the Ron Paul mafia...they're extinct now in the House.”—Chris Carr, 08:26).

• Rand Paul’s shift: Panel notes how quickly figures like Rand Paul moved to “rubber stamp” Trump after Massie's loss was apparent. (29:26)

• Trump Endorsement Game:

  • “He’s the first president since FDR in 1938 to endorse challengers to incumbents in Senate races. That’s completely unprecedented…” —Chris Carr (56:33)
  • Trump’s recent bombshell: endorsing Ken Paxton over John Cornyn as Texas GOP candidate, adding to the anti-incumbent, MAGA wave. (54:02-57:45)

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3. Explosive Device Thrown at PA Polling Site

(40:59+)

• Discussion covers an explosive device thrown at a Lehigh Valley polling site—another reason, Pressler claims, to promote early voting.
  • “We've had pipe bursts, we've had snowstorms, we've had machines go down... now we have explosives at churches.” —Scott Pressler (42:02)
• Broader concern about increasing political violence and the need for election security.
• “Don’t throw bombs at polling sites. We’re trying to do democracy here.” —George Santos (44:59)
• Tate calls for calm—even addressing “far left anarchist brothers and sisters” to “put down the explosive devices.” (45:14)

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4. Immigration, Demographics, and ‘Replacement’

(Range: 96:39–124:45)

• The panel devotes significant time to America’s immigration issues, emphasizing

  • Visa overstays (B1/B2s),
  • Birth tourism,
  • State and federal policy failures,
  • Large illegal and legal influx affecting housing, jobs, welfare.

• Santos and Carr lament how, compared to earlier immigrants, today’s newcomers are “economic migrants” who “take and destroy.”

  • “They're turning parts of this country into Port au Prince.” —George Santos (108:47)

• Structural Policy Proposals:

  • Restrict non-legal residents from any banking privileges (“Spigot would close...zero activity, spigot closes.” —George Santos, 100:47)
  • Greater enforcement, “self-deportation” (welfare, pressure on overstays), tariffs/threats to countries allowing repeated violations.
  • Need to end or restrict birthright citizenship (currently being challenged in the courts). (102:34+)
  • “Immigration is not hard to fix...Congress makes it complicated for fundraising and election speech fodder.” —George Santos (125:19)

• Cultural Critique:

  • Detailed discussion of community impacts in Queens, NY—large immigrant family clusters, welfare, replacement migration, upscaling of urban enclaves (e.g. Indian, Mexican, Colombian).
  • “They want to have Nicaragua—but in America with a better economy.” —Chris Carr (110:54)

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5. Money in Politics, PACs, and Institutional Rot

(Throughout, e.g. 16:37, 61:32)

• The hosts mock and excoriate party leadership, especially the Senate Leadership Fund and John Thune, for “wasting” tens of millions (e.g. $70M+ in TX/LA/other safe state races) instead of battlegrounds.
• “$70 million. How does John Thune look at a donor with actual credibility and ask for money?” —George Santos (61:32)
• PACs now function as power-protection for the old guard and as pressure groups for the MAGA wing. The episode forecasts MAGA forces increasingly leveraging their own PAC networks to circumvent party establishments.

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6. Notable Side Discussions & Lighter Segments

• AOC & Political Personas (24:49+):

  • A surprisingly respectful (if tongue-in-cheek) take on AOC as a “cutthroat” but “consistent” politician, compared to Newsom’s “arrogance.”
  • Santos: “I don’t believe she’s corrupt. I think she is fundamentally insane, but she’s not dishonest.” (27:01)

• Twerking Politicians and Pop Culture (67:00+):

  • Media coverage of Democrat Shelby Campbell “twerking on her kitchen counter”—debated as a sign of the supposed “decay of politics.”
  • Humorous takes about Lindsey Graham’s ‘light in the loafers’ meme and a Nicki Minaj rap by Santos.

• NAACP’s “Boycott the South” plan (46:17+):

  • Discussion about NAACP urging black athletes to boycott Southern colleges in pushback against GOP voting legislation, but panel widely dismisses its likelihood or effectiveness.
  • Carr: “The NAACP’s relevance is just completely fading away. They’re a cause without a constituency.” (48:39)

• Prediction Markets Ban in Minnesota (76:52+):

  • Debate over the state’s crackdown on sites like PredictIt & Polymarket, described as ‘poverty taxes.’ Gambling, like cannabis, likened to Pandora’s box using social conservative arguments.
  • Consistency questioned: “Sports betting still legal in Minnesota...so political markets is clearly political.” (88:55)

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• On Massie’s Defeat:
  • “President Trump has just asserted himself as he is the party. Go along with the president or you are probably going to lose your seat or get ousted.”
    —Scott Pressler (11:47)
• On Political Fundraising:
  • “$70 million. How does John Thune look at a donor with actual credibility and ask for money?...I won't part with one coin.”
    —George Santos (61:32)
• On Policy Disconnects:
  • “Twitter is not the real world. It’s insane. People run their campaigns off of it.”
    —George Santos (13:10)
• On Demographic Change:
  • “Our population is declining as Americans...That’s replacement. That’s occurring. This is replacement migration.”
    —Chris Carr (118:30)
• On Trump’s Endorsements:
  • “Trump is the first president since FDR in 1938 to endorse challengers to incumbents in Senate races. That’s completely unprecedented in American politics.”
    —Chris Carr (56:33)
• On Immigration:
  • “They're turning parts of this country into Port au Prince. We’re bringing in pirates and cannibals now. Can we get back the long-haired settlers who built this nation?”
    —George Santos (108:47, 112:47)

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Segment Timestamps (Approximate)

• [06:57]: Initiation of Massie discussion; industry impact and party realignment.
• [11:00]: Trump as “titular figurehead”; GOP fracturing.
• [19:00]: Money spent on Massie’s race; analysis of down-ticket impacts.
• [28:47]: Scott Pressler: “Send a message”—how the MAGA wing is reshaping primaries.
• [40:59]: Explosive at PA polling place; discussions of voter safety, early voting.
• [54:00]: Trump’s endorsement of Paxton over Cornyn; historical parallel to FDR’s 1938 moves.
• [67:00]: “Twerk-gate” and political spectacle.
• [96:39]: Extended immigration debate and demographic analysis.
• [125:19]: Structural gridlock: why politicians don’t solve immigration, and the “fundraising industrial complex.”

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Episode Tone and Notable Moments

• Tone: Lively, irreverent, combative, mixing gallows humor with sharp, sometimes crude policy critique; lots of inside-baseball banter, sarcasm, and occasional self-deprecation.
• Memorable Interactions:
  • Nicki Minaj rap (“Pull up in the monster...”) by George Santos (72:10–72:40)
  • Blunt discussion of Lindsey Graham’s unpopularity and “scaring the hoes” (74:45)
  • “Pirates and cannibals” refrain for current waves of migrants (112:47)
  • AOC/Newsom personality dissection (24:49+)
  • Scott Pressler breaking news that he’s elected as a Pennsylvania official (129:26)

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Conclusion & Key Takeaways

• GOP Realignment: The Trump era has completely overtaken the Republican Party, with dissenters and libertarian mavericks purged through primary challenges and immense fundraising.
• Political Violence and Election Security: The PA polling site attack is emblematic of broader threats and the need for robust early voting/ballot access.
• Immigration is Central: Demographic change arguments, calls for tightened enforcement, and critiques of party gridlock dominated the latter half of the program.
• Party Institutional Critiquing: Both national party establishments (esp. Senate GOP leadership) and Democratic legacy advocacy groups (like the NAACP) are seen as increasingly out of touch and ineffective.
• Pop Culture and Outrage Cycles: “Twerking candidates” and declining institutional seriousness provoke both mockery and hand-wringing about American political culture.

Final Word:
“Don’t cross the president because he’s still the king of the party...No seat is safe.”
—George Santos (127:25)

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[End of summary]

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[Tate]

Oh, that's really sweet of you, George. Thank you. Chris Carr, writer, journalist, editor, and the proud father of two boys. Thanks for having me on your show, George.

[George Santos]

Oh, yeah, sure. And I also am so excited because tonight we have somebody who essentially self identifies as Kyle Seraphin's work husband and I'm gonna let him do his own introduction. But we have Kyle Seraphin's work husband here with us.

[Steve Friend]

That's right, Ste friend, face of the franchise, the suspendables, FBI whistleblower, recovering FBI agent, host of the American Radicals podcast. You follow me at real Steve friend on X.

[George Santos]

There you Go. Thanks for being here. D. Do you need an introduction? Like, that's Scott Pressler, guys.

[Scott Pressler]

I prefer the ind Fatigable Scott Pressler.

[George Santos]

Oh, my God.

[Scott Pressler]

Thanks for giving me big words. Call to be here, Georgie. And hopefully after tonight, I will be an elected official in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. I am now an author coming out on June 9, and the founder, of course, of early vote.

[George Santos]

Jesus Christ. Did you just plug a book randomly? Where'd you pull it from?

[Chris Carr]

His inventory.

[George Santos]

Mary Poppins bag there. Like, you're just like, I have a book prepared. Baby sex. Are you gonna sell, like, kitchen stuff, too? Like Martha Stewart?

[Scott Pressler]

Like, there will be a hairline down the future.

[George Santos]

Okay, cool. We have the main men down there producing us tonight. What's up, everyone? I'm Carter Banks. And, yeah, thank you for all coming tonight. And the most stylish member of Tim Cash.

[Chris Carr]

I agree.

[Tate]

Are none.

[George Santos]

Yeah, Nobody. Nobody has that. Like, last time I was here, he had, like, cheetah. That's true.

[Scott Pressler]

I was.

[George Santos]

I almost wore the same shirt today. George will be here again, but same shirt. He also got tape.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah. What's going on, everyone? Yeah, I don't. I'm not running for office. I don't have any books. I'm just like, a chud. Stupid chud.

[George Santos]

Just going to Scott's bag.

[Chris Carr]

My book's in there. I'm a New York Times bestseller.

[George Santos]

Plug something from, like, Scott's back. Like, oh, look, there's another book.

[Chris Carr]

Let's get into it.

[George Santos]

Let's get into it. All right, so, guys, this is crazy, right? Like, Thomas Massey. I. I worked with Thomas. Thomas is somebody that. Actually, I went to a lot on the House floor for guidance, especially when we were talking, like, fiscal stuff. I would go in and be like, thomas, I'm. My staff says, vote yes. I see you voted no. Can you give me the rationale? Many, many times he'd give me, like, an elevator pitch, like, here's why this is bad. And it would always tie back to fiscal conservative ideology, which many times. I mean, in numerous times, I went and switched the recommendation for my staff. I'd go back into my office like, boss, what happened? I'm like, and then my. My ld And. And my chief of staff are like, did you talk to Congressman Massey? I'm like, yeah, he's pretty on it. And he's. They're like, or we told leadership you were going to vote yay. I'm like, well, I voted nay. And then they'd get reamed by leadership staff. Like, what happened? Your boss Changes vote. And, and they would say, like, Massey got to him. So it's crazy because I have a great relationship with him. I mean, I don't understand some of the choices he made that, you know, you, you make your bed now you sleep in it. What's your take on this, Tate?

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, I mean, I agree. I mean, look, Massie, I really liked him for a long time, but I got to your point. Increasingly frustrated with some of the decisions he made. I mean, the hamstring, the big beautiful bill was pretty frustrating. But you kind of understand, to your point, I mean, he's a physical conservative, he's a libertarian. So I mean, these sort of things you have to expect. He's part of that kind of Ron

[George Santos]

Paul mafia, that Justin Amash. Ron Paul, they're gone.

[Chris Carr]

They're extinct now in the House. I think the takeaway from tonight is that that whole crew is being kind of wiped out, like from GOP politics. In addition to that, I mean, look, Massie, I think, made a critical mistake, which he could have stitched together a really interesting coalition with his hitting really hard on apac, hitting really hard on the Israel lobby and that sort of thing. If he would have stayed loyal to President Trump, he could have weaved a really specific line that could have really moved the ball down the field. When he came out and he started saying Trump is protecting the Epstein class or whatever, I was like, it's over, it's cooked.

[George Santos]

Plenty of conservatives do exactly what you just said, by the way.

[Chris Carr]

Exactly.

[George Santos]

I was one of them.

[Jorge Santos]

Right.

[George Santos]

Like, so many can do it. Like, they weave that, like, crooked line of like, AIPAC bad, President Trump good. And you just kind of like, do that, like. And I never did, like a pack bad. I'm not a big fan, fan of AIPAC because I was partial to the rjc, which is a Republican Jewish coalition, some would argue. Same stuff said, you know, separate wings of two wings to the same bird. But like, that was kind of like, just like the, the, the offset for him. He was so obsessed with the apac and he made it his entire identity recently.

[Chris Carr]

And yeah, it's just, and I agree with him on, on, on the, you know, vast majority of.

[George Santos]

We don't have babysitters from a pack. He made that.

[Chris Carr]

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, that's not true as far as, like the, you know, the broader themes there. Like, I. Yeah, that's what was so frustrating is like, I think he made a miscalculation where he thought the anti Trump energy was going to be a Lot larger and manifest in much more voters than it actually was. I think that constituency is a lot smaller than people realize within the GOP for a variety of reasons. One being people don't realize that Twitter is not reflective of the GOP base insofar as the GOP base is primarily like boomers. And again, boomers have no tolerance to this kind of stuff. I don't know if you guys saw the tweet that just went up. Hasan, you know, Hasan Piker puts out a tweet saying Trump has, you know, sided with the Epstein class. Dah, dah, dah, dah, to take out.

[George Santos]

Thomas Piker is not a real person.

[Chris Carr]

I know. But the thing is, the average GOP voter is going when they hear that kind of rhetoric from Massie, they think Hasan Piker, they think that type of leftist. And so that's the problem. Well, you can, there's no room for nuance in this environment. That's the problem that we're in. There's a friend, enemy distinction. Thomas Massie fell right in the square of it. And yeah, he lost his seat.

[George Santos]

I mean, look, it's crazy, Scott. You're, you're all over the country, right? You're, you're, you're campaigning all over the country. You're on the ballot tonight, which is wild. But let's, let's talk about this for a second. Did you see this coming? Was there. And again, I'm not trying to put you in a bad position, but did you think he can, you know, overcome the enormous amount of funds and you know how important funds are in politics? Right. Do you think he can overcome that because of 12 years, six terms being in the, in the House, I wasn't

[Scott Pressler]

sure what was going to happen tonight because I know how protective our beautiful libertarian coalition is of their very small minority in Congress. They will do everything. Minority of one, minority of one. But I think this solidifies President Trump as the titular figurehead of the, of the Republican Party. Big words today right here after Indiana state senators falling that failed to redistrict after Bill Cassidy, Donald Trump endorsed losing third as an incumbent senator in Louisiana. And now tonight, after Thomas Massie losing any Republican that was going to make the argument that President Trump would be a lame doc.

[George Santos]

Oh, no.

[Scott Pressler]

That they would be waning on him.

[Chris Carr]

No.

[Scott Pressler]

President Trump has just asserted himself as he is the party. He's a go along with the president or you are probably going to lose your seat or get ousted.

[George Santos]

Agreed, Steve.

[Steve Friend]

I go back to the Epstein stuff.

[George Santos]

So look, in a, in A pro or like, are you justifying this?

[Steve Friend]

Well, just from my rationality of who's voting versus the online space, I think when it comes to Epstein, you have the, the announcement, the sort of the stealth announcement that the DOJ and the FBI, they're not going to look at it anymore. We're closing it down. And that was over July 4th of last year, over the July 4th weekend. Nobody paying attention. I think nobody paying attention to that is sort of reflective of what the actual voter base is, because what you wind up happening is essentially amnesia over that versus the online space, where it is top of mind for so many people. If you go into a social media post, anything that you see that is coming from an FBI or from the present, something will be. The immediate comment section that you see in there is. Yeah, but what about the client list? Yeah, but there's been zero arrests with that. And that is just the echo chamber versus what the actual people that are actor getting out the early vote.

[George Santos]

Yeah.

[Steve Friend]

And we just have. If you're in the chronically online space, you will have a. A different perspective of what the actual lay of the land, what the battlefield conditions are. And that was over. Heightened, overhyped. As far as what the impact was going to be.

[George Santos]

I mean, I've said this many times and I think Tim has said this many times here from the same perch. Twitter is not the real world. It's not. It's like. It's insane. People run their campaigns off of. Like, a great example of this, not to go too far off is Spencer Pratt.

[Steve Friend]

Yeah.

[George Santos]

People are thinking he's going to win la. Guys, let's look at the numbers of voters and registrations in la. There is no mathematical. I mean, look, I believe in wishful thinking and possibility, but I mean, you know, so, you know, Chris, I like you because you, you always say I'm an anarchist. I don't care.

[Scott Pressler]

Yeah.

[Tate]

I mean, this is. This is reason, you know, 4598, why I don't believe in democracy. You know, the whole idea that people's voices matter. I don't believe in that people are too stupid to vote. The people in my home state of Kentucky are definitely too stupid to vote. Not a very bright population. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is especially dismaying for me. I mean, I had some sort of misfounded hope against hope that Massie might be able to galvanize people. But, you know, obviously that's not going to happen. People are easily propagandized and that's what happened in the Bluegrass State.

[Steve Friend]

Today, half of all people are dumber than the average person.

[Tate]

Oh, I would say even more. That's not because of the space that we live in now and because of what you were saying. Like, when you're chronically online, you do gradually lose touch with what's really happening. And since President Trump won in 2024, I think voting has become less cool. Like, a lot of people just want to kick back and, like, you know, let things play out as they are. But so do we know at all what the demographics are? Did boomers make this happen?

[George Santos]

No, it's too early. It's too early to know they were the early voters. That's not necessarily so.

[Chris Carr]

Polling would indicate that the younger it got, the more pro Massey.

[George Santos]

Yeah, like, posture. So anybody ranking, from What I saw, 18 to 45 was pro Massey, and everybody 45 plus was anti Massey. Look, Thomas had has. He didn't die, guys. This is just over. His congressional career is over. He's alive. So let's not talk in the past. That's crazy. Massey has this very interesting take on how he approaches things, and it's really like, I don't care. No, no, no, no, no. And not that he doesn't care, but he puts that nonchalant, like, I don't care approach out there, and people get over fatigued. I mean, look, look, I have seen Massie hold up the House floor more than one time. I actually lived it. So that grows old. Right.

[Tate]

Well, this is what happens when you have a politician that consistently votes on principle, you know, for better or worse, and tonight it's for worse. You know, this is what happens.

[George Santos]

I mean, eventually those decisions all come to haunt you. I mean, I'm gonna make an observation. I'm probably gonna get, like, a check for this one. It's like we replace him for a guy older than him.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah.

[George Santos]

Whatever happened to new leadership?

[Chris Carr]

I think Massey would fall more into the camp of people that got thr by the algorithm, because I think this is a guy who was stitching together a really impressive congressional career. And then again, as soon as the online atmosphere turned on Trump, which was just again, not really reflected in the populace and the electorate. Yes, a large chunk of the electorate is frustrated at the Iran war that is coming up in the polling. We know these things insofar. Is that enough for them to come out and declare Trump as, like, a pedophile protector? They hate him and he's betrayed them? No, that's just not reflected in any polling. But Thomas Massie, I think, was seeing the energy Online. So, so if you were purely on Twitter, you would assume that Trump has an 80% disapproval rate in the GOP, but it's just not going to be reflected. And unfortunately, when you're running for the House, you got to play politics, you got to play ball, you got to pick your battles.

[George Santos]

Yeah. But here's what's crazy. It's like how many millions went into this race? 60 million or something like that that. I read the New York primary, the New York Post had it.

[Steve Friend]

Essentially getting a candidate in there in a safe Republican seat that is to going is going to get you somebody who goes with the Donald Trump preferred outcomes.

[George Santos]

Well, it's not about the Donald Trump, it's about the agenda. Right. So. So look, I, we were sitting in here a couple of minutes ago and, and Scott and I, for those of this was off camera, we had, we hit the 50% mark and Massey was down eight points. And I'm not gloating, I'm just making an observation. And there's a rule in politics. Once you hit 50% of the votes in and if you're down 8 points, it is mathematically highly improbable to overcome that. And we hit that point. I said it's over, but nobody called it whatever. And then a few minutes later, I guess they called it decision desk. It is unconscionable to see so much money being poured into a safe Republican seat. I understand the principle behind it. I'm not criticizing it, but I'm just making an observation. We have 19 vulnerable Republicans this cycle that will need that money. Then we have the idiot in this, in the Senate, Thune, who won't pass a safe act, who won't pass, won't fund DHS entirely because he caves to the Democrats. And on top of that, he spent somewhat $70 million between Cassidy and Cornyn, who is now based on tonight, Cornyn is going to lose. I mean, why do we keep donating to John Thune? Like, why is John Thune still leader of the Senate? It's like wild.

[Scott Pressler]

And why I think ultimately Ed Gellerine is declared the victory is there was a sense of urgency for this election. Yes, we have principles of. We don't want to go into endless wars. And I understand that. And we definitely want to continue to support our libertarians. We have kept the promise of being pro crypto, pro bitcoin. We freed Ross Ulbricht. We have kept our promises to that community. However, we understand that if the midterms don't go our way, they will impeach President Trump on day one, his entire agenda is stalled. That means that there's going to be no funding for securing the border, for dhs, for ice. And so I think for a lot of people, if I can speak for them, they came out because they knew this was about winning 2026, codifying into law President Trump's agenda. Otherwise, gosh forbid, we could lose this upcoming midterm and then have a Governor Newsom as President or a Kamala Harris, etc. There was an urgency to codify into law President Trump's agenda.

[George Santos]

Dude, it's sick. Let me just make this clear. $32.6 million went towards political ad spending. It's, it's like, do you know how

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[George Santos]

free says we can help with that. It's like, probably easy, like spitballing off top my head. Six, you know, $5 billion in each of them. And it makes a difference. Like sometimes it's like that one more broadcast ad you needed, you know, just to act the finish line. I remember this. In 2022, Esther Joy King in Illinois lost to the gay weatherman Eric Sworenson because she ran short and couldn't do one last push. And then she lost by, like 400 votes. Like that. That little boost. That little boost. I mean, she literally lost to a man who campaigned about being the gay weatherman. I was the first gay weatherman in America. Like, dude, shut up. That was your campaign. And. And Esther Joy King, who is a veteran, lost to him because of stuff like this.

[Chris Carr]

We saw in the VA redistricting. I mean, the GOP threw, you know, pennies over in that direction. I live in Virginia. I was getting flooded with Obama ads, et cetera, et cetera. Now, they got bailed out by the courts, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend like the GOP was playing 5D chess.

[George Santos]

No, they weren't. They got lucky.

[Chris Carr]

They got lucky.

[George Santos]

They got lucky.

[Chris Carr]

But in addition to that, I mean, I think what we're seeing here is converging interests. So I think the MAGA interest and then there was the Israel interest. Obviously, a lot of this money, as people have pointed out, came from the Israel lobby, but I don't think the average voter was going to the ballot boxes. If there was a referendum on the Iran war or a referendum on, like, our support for Israel, it was a referendum ultimately on the Trump agenda. And the Trump agenda is very popular, whether people like it or not, especially in rural Kentucky. This district is Kentucky.

[George Santos]

Look, rural America likes President Trump. I don't think people need to, like, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know this. Right?

[Steve Friend]

Personality driven.

[George Santos]

It's not even just personal personality driven. It's literally promises made, promises kept to rule America.

[Tate]

Well, I mean, promises kept. Seriously. I mean, like, I mean, over the course.

[George Santos]

Hold on. Over the course of his presidential career, he's kept a lot of promises to rule America.

[Tate]

Oh, okay.

[Scott Pressler]

All right.

[Tate]

So I don't know about lately.

[Steve Friend]

But, yeah, push back on inflation and legal alien immigration issues. I mean, he's massive. That's 1 in 1A as far as 2024.

[George Santos]

President Trump's an amazing. On illegal immigration.

[Steve Friend]

Seal the border. But we're at a point now, so let's connect it even to, like, a John Thune. All right, See if I can. If I can noodle this through with you. So noodle. So John Thune is going to make the case.

[George Santos]

Don't say noodle to me. That's not a smart decision. I am a gay man. Just understand. Understand.

[Chris Carr]

We're going to cut the broadcast here in a little bit.

[Scott Pressler]

We're having a very mature.

[Tate]

I'm sorry.

[George Santos]

Don't say that. The family. Cheryl. God damn it.

[Chris Carr]

Like Bourbon street, dude. What's going on?

[Tate]

I want to know what you were going to say.

[Steve Friend]

Jonathan's going to make the case. You need to vote for the Republicans to hold the Senate so that we can secure elections. Even though you voted for the Republicans to take the Senate so that they could secure elections and they didn't. And simultaneously, I'm going to fund DHS to slightly codify what the agenda was in the Trump campaign 2024. Meanwhile, what he's essentially done is not fund ICE, not fund border protection, and create a giant slush fund for a president, American psycho Gavin Newsom, to come in and run that for the next.

[George Santos]

Gavin Newsom will never be president. I'm sorry, but. But I will speak my existence on that one. He will never be president.

[Tate]

Okay, so if he's not gonna be president, then who. What Democrat is going to be president?

[George Santos]

Honestly, AOC has so many for being president, and Gabby's is in love with her. I genuinely believe that. I mean, I've made a peace with myself that there will be a president AOC in my lifetime. And to quote Alex Stein, we're going to have a big, beautiful, booty Latina president eventually.

[Steve Friend]

Fundraising.

[George Santos]

Nothing wrong with.

[Steve Friend]

She's a fundraising, fundraising juggernaut for. For the Congress. She's actually better off for them there.

[George Santos]

I worked with her. I actually dealt with her personally. We're both from New York. Our districts match up to each other. And there were instances where I needed to work with her and we, you know, from touring the Capitol with students from the district and the school kind of overlapped, so half of the students lived in her district but attended the

[Chris Carr]

school to pay to be.

[George Santos]

We did that like. We did that, you know, like. And I. She graciously said yes to me, and it was A breeze to work with her. And you couldn't get two more different people. Like, I am all the way to the right, she's all the way to the left. And we had a great cordial relationship. I actually recently bumped into her in a Delta flight to D.C. and I was just like. She was like, what are you doing back in dc? Like, this place is awful. I'm like, you know what? I had to come and see your drip because she was like, impeccably dressed. I'm like, I just checking out your drip. And she's like, thank you. That's literally my life now, guys. So.

[Steve Friend]

So you weren't holding hands singing Kumbaya where you're advocating for no Amazon jobs and you're doing District?

[George Santos]

No, no. That was a big doozy on her part. Like, she killed 17,000 jobs. She nuked 17,000 jobs.

[Steve Friend]

She wore sweet dress that said, you know, soak the rich.

[Chris Carr]

It's drip or drown out here. I mean, you know, it is what it is.

[George Santos]

Or sink or sink or swim.

[Jorge Santos]

Right?

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's Dripper John. You got to be stunning in Congress. It's over for you.

[George Santos]

Well, I actually just did a video on that.

[Chris Carr]

It's real.

[George Santos]

The 10 hottest members of Congress.

[Chris Carr]

Halo effect is real, by the way.

[Tate]

It is, is.

[George Santos]

It is.

[Tate]

I'm so surprised by this heterodox take from you, George. So would you describe AOC as conniving?

[George Santos]

I would say she conniving is a derogatory.

[Tate]

I'm not in politics.

[George Santos]

Oh.

[Tate]

And I would say. I would say that, like, in terms of being a conniving politician, Gavin Newsom beats her pound for pound, like, and I think that that's going to drive him with the personality.

[George Santos]

I don't think he's conniving. I think he's arrogant. I think he's the word to describe cavenu. Is it him arrogant? He's preposterous. He is abso freaking lutely all about self aggrandizing when you have AOC who, believe it or not, I've said this many times, I don't believe she is corrupt. I think she is fundamentally insane, but I don't think she's corrupt. She's not dishonest.

[Chris Carr]

She's a proper adjective is. She's cutthroat.

[George Santos]

She's cutthroat.

[Chris Carr]

She's a polo Gavin. Gavin Newsom will back off of policies all the time. It happens all the time. She won't AOC just plows. She wants every single time people in The Republican press are like, oh, there, she's finished now.

[George Santos]

Now.

[Chris Carr]

And then she keeps winning, keeps growing in support.

[Steve Friend]

Not only that, like, she's a better thespian. I'll use some. Some language. She's a better actress than Newsom is. I mean, Newsom will sit there up in front of a black audience and say, I'm just like you and I'm functionally and illiterate, and then back off, I guess. Or. Whereas she'll actually pull off the Jenny from the block.

[Chris Carr]

I. I agree with George. I think she's alarmingly consistent.

[George Santos]

She's consistent, dude. She believes in eliminating farting cows. I wouldn't be shocked if she's the one getting. Hasn't has a tick farm, like, somewhere just, like, go make people meet at a lactic. Release the ticks.

[Chris Carr]

It's like she can just take where

[Steve Friend]

she's at up to a 10 better than he is. Because I don't. I think he's sort of like, she's smart.

[George Santos]

She's articulate. Gavin Newsom is a slimy used car salesman.

[Steve Friend]

He thinks he can throw a dart and then draw a target around it.

[George Santos]

No, no, no.

[Steve Friend]

Get the bullseye.

[George Santos]

Yeah, he thinks that. Like, but I also think I'm a 10 in New York City. So it's like, Scott, like. Let me ask you this on the subject of, so what do you think is next for Massey? Do you think he has a way to survive and do a comeback, like Senate, maybe? Governor?

[Scott Pressler]

Well, I want to revisit why there was so much spending in this race, which I think people are really losing sight of. Yes, it was obscene, but this was sending a message that says, get on the train, Support the agenda, or we are coming for you. And as I mentioned, Indiana, we won six of the eight Republicans that wouldn't read your maps. Gone. Bill Cassidy, gone. Thomas Massie, gone. This is sending a message to every other member of Congress, and that's why there was so much money poured into it. They weren't running at Gallerine to lose. They were running to send a message.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah. Would you see Rand Paul on Twitter? He shut his mouth real quick. He was like, yeah, President Trump, I'm ready to rubber stamp everything you say. Like, dude, everyone is freaking out right now. You know, Rampall is a cool guy, but I thought that was really funny. All of a sudden, he was like, I'm not a libertarian. What are you talking about?

[Scott Pressler]

Well, and clearly he's a libertarian.

[Chris Carr]

He's like, I'm ready to rubber stamp.

[George Santos]

It's like saying, Carter's not a rock star. So I guess speaking right now. And I'm gonna pull up. Oh, please. What he's got to say.

[Scott Pressler]

See, possibly being nice doesn't work. I did that for. Let's try to meet with members of Congress.

[George Santos]

Let me unmute the tab real quick.

[Jorge Santos]

And it got real expensive for. Look, they used. They used a lot of dirty tricks, but we stayed the course. We did not. We didn't bend a knee. We didn't throw a foul ball. We didn't do any of those things. We didn't kneecap anybody. There were. We had lots of opportunities to try a lot of stuff like that, and we never did it. We ran a clean race. And there's. By the way, after 18 months of blacking, of a blackout, of not letting me on Fox, they finally let me on FOX today, four hours into the election.

[George Santos]

Hey, hey.

[Jorge Santos]

Their. Their slop. Their slop is selling, so they'll keep selling it. But, but listen, I got to watch FOX also for the first time in 18 months. And there was the president talking about, by the way, while gas is almost $5 and diesel's almost 6, they're talking about this big ballroom they're going to build. And it looks. It looks like the Roman Empire architecture from the Roman Empire. I see a few analogies there. And people are just trying to make ends meet. But we were promised that Miriam Adelson would pay for that ballroom, but she, They. She spent so much money in this race, they're gonna have to reduce the footprint of that thing. But here's one thing I saw on fox. They were saying, oh, my goodness, you know, we're ready for war. There's about this. We're about to restart this war. We were supposed to restart this war today, but we can't restart this war today. The war can't start today. They said we got away today. And then it. It like it occurred to me, where was the Secretary of War yesterday? He was here. Listen. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, look on the. Look on the bright side.

[George Santos]

No more war. No more wars. No more wars.

[Jorge Santos]

No more wars. No more wars.

[George Santos]

No more wars. Knock that off.

[Jorge Santos]

You're gonna make me feel good about losing. What I wanted to do was give you all credit. When they saw the influencers here, they panicked. They sent the Secretary of War here, and you stopped the war for a day.

[George Santos]

That's funny.

[Jorge Santos]

All right, we know we don't want a war. And we know why young people are, and you know, middle aged people are against the next war because we'd be the ones fighting it. They're trying to bring back the draft. Screw that. We're not. We're not going to fight. We're not going to fight some other country's wars, are we? No. What else. What else do we stand for? Not. We don't want to send our money overseas. Okay, I'll go for that.

[George Santos]

Yeah, I know exactly.

[Scott Pressler]

We're good with that.

[Steve Friend]

And the Fed.

[Chris Carr]

We saw what I ran.

[George Santos]

Is it end Iran or end the fat? That's what I heard.

[Jorge Santos]

A bill to end the ED in the Department of Education.

[Steve Friend]

We're good with that too.

[Jorge Santos]

Rand Paul says he wants to pass a law that you need one day to read 10 pages of every bill. I asked Rand what are you going to do about my bill that's one sentence long to end the Department of Education. That'd be like five minutes to read that bill. By the way, do you know how many pages the Epstein files Transparency act was?

[George Santos]

2 pages. Every good bill technically should.

[Jorge Santos]

We don't want.

[George Santos]

The less pages a bill has the better the bill is. He's not wrong.

[Jorge Santos]

I never picked a fight with the country that's tried to take me out here because I've never. But I've never voted for foreign aid to any country. We got to take care of America first. America first. America first.

[George Santos]

It's a pretty Chad crowd like it's a lot of dudes America. It's really young. That's what's concerning though like that that worries me a little.

[Jorge Santos]

You remember that organization that Klaus Schwab started called the world economic force?

[George Santos]

Him of course he's bring up you should eat bugs.

[Jorge Santos]

Do you want to eat bugs?

[Chris Carr]

There going to be a drinking game somewhere they said you'll own.

[George Santos]

You want to do that? We should have bought alcohol. Guess what happened. Guess what CEO.

[Jorge Santos]

He was in the EP files he had to

[George Santos]

out the CE the Fed.

[Jorge Santos]

The economic forum with a two page

[George Santos]

bill was 30 minutes into the show on the floor. What else?

[Jorge Santos]

What else are we for? Look, for years I've been standing up for the second amendment, the first amendment, fourth amendment, the fifth amendment, the tenth amendment. I just realized the seventh amendment is under attack.

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[Chris Carr]

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[George Santos]

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[Scott Pressler]

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[George Santos]

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[Jorge Santos]

Mint mobile.com because I serve on the Judiciary Committee. The 7th Amendment is your right to a jury trial. They've taken it away for vaccines. If you get hurt, you can't sue for vaccines. They're trying to take it away for pesticides. They're trying to take it away for these data centers.

[Tate]

No shot.

[George Santos]

Yeah, data centers. We've been, we've been fighting that back. So I mean, is he going to talk about raw milk?

[Chris Carr]

We're gonna investigate UFOs

[Steve Friend]

from your neighbor that's coming.

[Chris Carr]

Chinese farmlands.

[George Santos]

JBS is totally coming out.

[Jorge Santos]

What else is part of our coalition? Cutting. Cutting spending.

[George Santos]

Oh, cutting spending. Balancing the budget.

[Jorge Santos]

They ran Doge out of town.

[George Santos]

Down the national debt. That's all coming. That's all on the pipeline

[Jorge Santos]

backwards. It was easier to get a car to drive itself. It was easier to put Internet on Antarctica than it was.

[George Santos]

I think he's rambling now.

[Jorge Santos]

Yeah, spending in Washington D.C. it's a tough problem.

[George Santos]

You lost me with Internet.

[Chris Carr]

Penguins are stream now.

[George Santos]

You know, dude, I know Tom, he's sad. Like when, when he first started that, when we first started streaming it, he looked almost teary eyed. I mean this dude was very proud to be a congressman. He's a MIT geek actually. Massey. Here's a fun Massey story. He actually created a debt watch clock. Oh, I remember that. Off of roof roofing material. Yeah, it's like he's like, oh yeah. This is just, you know, it's a like the simplest way an MIT guy would say this. He was like, oh, this is just like, you know, an Amazon regular clock. I just reprogrammed it, inserted a chip so it links to the Fed and the WI fi card and it updates every 30 seconds.

[Chris Carr]

I'm like, he built the clock but then when the kid built one then Obama got an invite to me. And he invited him to the White House pretty much.

[George Santos]

So I'm just like, Massey, how'd you turn the clock into.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, he's like a Phineas and Ferb kind of guy building contraptions.

[George Santos]

And it's very pinky in the brain. He's like, oh, this is just a roofing. Roofing material and an Amazon like five dollar clock. And then he made an entire lineup. He mass produced them and gave them to. To members so people would walk around with a debt clock.

[Tate]

Look, he's way too intelligent and impressive to be a politician. So I hope that he has a nice career.

[George Santos]

I thought you would say that about me. I wish. Of course.

[Tate]

But we're not talking about you. Save it for the after show.

[George Santos]

Down boy. Before I take you in the back of the bar like cricket.

[Chris Carr]

Let's go.

[Tate]

Not joking.

[George Santos]

I'm not joking.

[Chris Carr]

Things are getting wacky and wild.

[Steve Friend]

We're worse off to not have have just the one voice being there pointing out these things. Even if he didn't, if it was a minority of one.

[George Santos]

He's not. That's not. That's not true though, right? You still have David Wardens Warren there who actually was campaigning with him. You have other like Dan Schweiker out of Arizona. I mean.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, well like half these guys are dead hawks, but they never actually able to do anything.

[George Santos]

They're not. But I will say this. If you want a very interesting like set of of thought process, I encourage you to go to congress.gov and watch a nobody David. No, no, but please listen to this. Watch a David Schweikart case on how obese people cost us a fortune.

[Chris Carr]

That's true.

[George Santos]

On Medicaid. He is so fat phobic about it. He's blatant. He's like, you take fat Amy goes and starts talking about how much fat Amy and her fat kids are gonna cause us. I'm can't say that he says this on the record, but again a little more eloquently. But he, he breaks it down. That is the epitome of fiscal haunt that I met after like the fat lobby. Should McDonald's lobby just go after him pork spending like. Excuse me, what do you mean? We should put EBT eligible McDonald's subsidized door. It's crazy. Look, on the subject of elections, elections are getting so gnarly these days. I mean we have you're neck of the woods in Pennsylvania. Things got real interesting in Lehigh Valley. Looks like a explosive unknown explosive device drone from vehicle near PA Polling location. State police say looks like earlier today. Cataswaka. I'm probably botching that. That's in the Lehigh Valley area. It looks like you have a situation where explosive device was thrown at a church which was also a polling site. Like what's. What goes on in your neck of the woods, Scott, that.

[Scott Pressler]

It's why I push early voting. You never know what could happen on election day.

[George Santos]

And explosions and all not excluded, apparently now.

[Scott Pressler]

Well, we've had pipe bursts, we've had snowstorms, we've had machines go down on election day. And now we have explosives at churches. And when it comes to the establishment or people in power trying to keep that power, they will stop at nothing in order to do so. But I have to mention it. I just, I have to say this because I know people are going to see this. The values and principles that Massie was talking about are not a departure from. We and Republicans believe we want Doge. We voted for Elon. We support that. We support ending the Fed, ending the Department of Education. So a lot of the things that he's talking about, we don't want endless wars. But I think it really means that if we're not able to always legislate at the federal level, we need more people to become state representatives. We have a state legislature in Kentucky, despite the governor, that they can actually get things done at the state level. I think we need a rise of people running at the state level to codify this agenda in the Commonwealth, across the country.

[George Santos]

In the Commonwealth. What about the other states?

[Scott Pressler]

Massachusetts.

[George Santos]

No, I know that, but what about the other states?

[Scott Pressler]

See what I did there? Because I actually know there are four common.

[George Santos]

Yeah, I was going to say there's only four of them. It's Pennsylvania, Massachuset of Virginia, and. And.

[Scott Pressler]

And the states. You're happy?

[George Santos]

Okay, yeah. Like, don't, don't exclude everyone else. The Empire State, the Garden State. Well, like, we're. We're worth saving. I mean, dude, it's just so crazy. I'm going to talk about something that happened that's happening right now, which is the whole redistrict thing, and try to go a little off topic. It's not news of the day, but I think it's worth mentioning. Anytime somebody looks at you and says, oh, this is immoral, what they're doing in the south, just remind them of New England. It's like, like Republicans have zero seats in New England for as long as I can remember. I can't remember the last time Connecticut or Massachusetts Had a Republican congressperson. Massachusetts, I think 45% of it voted for Donald Trump. I think. Connecticut, 42%. New Hampshire, was it 48% or something like that?

[Chris Carr]

And he won in 2016 in New Hampshire, didn't he?

[George Santos]

I don't remember.

[Chris Carr]

I think he did.

[Steve Friend]

I mean, we had.

[George Santos]

I mean, I don't remember, honestly.

[Steve Friend]

Scott Brown got elected.

[Scott Pressler]

No, he came very close election when,

[Steve Friend]

when Ted Kenny died in office. They, they did elect Scott Brown. So there is a Republican presence in that.

[Chris Carr]

Charlie Baker, which one. They had Charlie Baker, which was Romney. I mean, conservative firebrand.

[George Santos]

I mean, don't speak to me of Romney. Do not speak to me of Pierre Delecto, because he's not very Mormon. The way he behaved with me wasn't very morbid of him.

[Steve Friend]

Hot dogs. Hot dogs are his favorite meat.

[George Santos]

I believe that. And he piles them on.

[Scott Pressler]

Let's go.

[George Santos]

How many hot dogs can I put in my mouth at once? Like,

[Chris Carr]

we're supposed to vote in like an hour.

[George Santos]

I got a bite down now.

[Steve Friend]

No.

[George Santos]

So look, serious stuff. I don't want to make light of this, folks. Don't throw bombs at polling sites. This is, it's still. We're trying to do democracy here one way or another. I mean, don't, don't. I don't get it.

[Tate]

Like, I'll say this to my far left anarchist brothers and sisters out there. Leave the churches alone. Maybe put down the explosive devices. I understand your fervor and your anger, but please, no violence is.

[George Santos]

I, I don't get the violence. I, I'm, I'm a non violent person and I know a lot of my friends are very violent. I'm just like, can we stop with the violence? And I know like the, the younger generations, like Tate, they're hot heads. I'm elder millennial here. Like, let's be, you know, yeah. Usa. And that's when like half the subscribers are gonna like, nuke me off this show today. What do you mean? Tim says get fired and angry. Like, what's this guy talking about?

[Steve Friend]

Weapons of mass destruction and voting are like peanut butter and jelly, right?

[George Santos]

Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know what kind of peanut butter and jelly sandwich you eat. You gotta stop hanging out with Kyle Seraphin. I'm sorry. Like, that's terrible combo.

[Steve Friend]

He is my Simon to my Garfunkel. That's where we are. You can't get one without the other either. Hopefully. I am Garfunkel, so ride those coattails, baby. I'm pushing you Man, I'm trying.

[George Santos]

I'm gonna bite my tongue now. This is a PG13 at best show. All right, so let's. In the, I guess wave of elections, the NAACP is urging athletes fans to boycott over voting rights to South. Oh, that's gonna work. This could be loads of fun for them. I mean I've never seen a more diabolical, self destructive approach to something like commons. Carter, your face is everything. Oh, I'm just.

[Steve Friend]

Keep going, keep going.

[Tate]

Tate.

[Chris Carr]

Well, I mean they actually succeeded. This was it Georgia like 8 years ago. No one cares anymore. Like it's, it's so obvious that even the Democrat Party, because they know that the Democrats, the coalition is changing that like black voters are just becoming increasingly less prioritized in the Democrat coalition because again like the Voter Rights act, that is the erosion of sort of the black power within the Democrat Party. The Democrats kind of realize like things are moving on. Rap is like down on the charts. Like no one cares anymore. Like this kind of stuff. No one cares anymore. So you're just seeing a massive shift in like the way American politics work. Well, like black voters being able to punch above their weight is really starting to die off now.

[George Santos]

According to Derek Johnson, the president of the the NAACP across the south, black athletes have helped build some of the most profitable college athletes programs in America.

[Chris Carr]

Okay, but I'm sure the five star recruit that's going to go to Alabama is going to recommit and go to Holly Howard now. Yeah, I'm sure that's going to happen.

[George Santos]

No, I'm sure Harvard's going to have a great team.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, yeah, they would have had a

[Steve Friend]

little bit more strength to the argument a few years ago before they started paying the athletes exorbitant amount of money. Right. When it would just be for, for school pride or to represent some sort of misguided.

[George Santos]

I feel like that sour grapes from your Alma matter because you know who started that, right.

[Steve Friend]

Have you noticed nobody in the south won a national championship since they outwardly started to pay players. I think it's heavily in the south, but.

[George Santos]

It is heavily in the south, but it did start in Notre Dame.

[Steve Friend]

We've got Jesus.

[George Santos]

Jesus is not approving of the ethics of your alpha. Oh, bad. All right, so I don't know. I didn't even. I don't know. I don't know if the NAACP is real, an arbitrator of anything relevant left. I mean.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, they're pretty relevant now. I mean like to my point, I mean they're not going to be able to succeed here if they tried to pull another, like, bully the all star game out of a state. Just no one cares anymore. And the Democrat Party, like I said, their coalition has changed massively. Now they're depending on, like, newer immigrant arrivals and their diaspora us. They're just not. The black population in America is just no longer able to punch above its weight politically anymore. So the NAACP's relevance is just completely fading away. And you're even seeing black voters now defect to the Republican Party in increasing numbers. So there's just. They're a cause without a constituency now because there's not. There's nothing in it for the Democrats to, like, work in conjunction with the naacp.

[George Santos]

I'm very mad at a comment I just saw here. Sorry, I completely. No, Scott Pressler gets a pass, but anyone else know what the gays like? Okay, whatever, Scott.

[Chris Carr]

I shouldn't have said that.

[George Santos]

And by the way, like, screw me, right? Like, I fly all the way here. And, like, no, Tate's holding on to Ford. Everyone else can leave.

[Chris Carr]

Like, let's go.

[George Santos]

Okay, you know what? Come here. Take over. Like, I'm leaving. I just want to read the comments.

[Scott Pressler]

Well, Georgie.

[George Santos]

Yeah. My Venmo is your mom, like, super chatting. Right?

[Chris Carr]

I treated it like the Kyo 4. I was just dumping money in the comments.

[Scott Pressler]

Well, look at this story. I don't necessarily disagree with the premise. It's no different than parents who disagree with public school education pulling their students out and homeschooling them. If they choose to align their values with that of California and Illinois over southern states, well, all they are welcome to go to other schools. I don't necessarily disagree with it. I just don't think it's going to make the impact that they think it is going to.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah.

[Steve Friend]

And the impact on sports watchers who.

[George Santos]

Correct.

[Steve Friend]

You would think the. The crossover, I mean, between sports bro and political nerd is the Venn diagram is something that, you know, Kamala Harris would be confused by because they don't really intersect.

[George Santos]

Yeah.

[Chris Carr]

And this idea that these, like, college athletes and be, like, principled all of a sudden, they transfer every season now, like, none of them are going to be, like, thinking about this at all. They don't have any political consciousness, typically. So why, what, they. They transfer every year, but now they're going to, like, dig their heels and be like, actually, I'm going to go to Iowa now. It's like, what? What are you talking about?

[George Santos]

I don't know.

[Steve Friend]

Look, they all want to be on that podium with that famous picture with the hand in the air.

[George Santos]

I just never. I don't get the appeal of the whole thing. Like the, the whole like sports. No, no, no. Of sports. I get it. No, no, no, no. Time out, time out. No, I get the appeal, appeal of sports. I don't get the appeal of the NAACP thinking that they're going to arbitrate anything. Like any black athlete that listens to this. It's the most self sabotaging advice I've ever seen an organization give their athletes. Like, dude, keep politics out of professional sports. Out of everything politics has. For some reason people now live with this overarching belief that politics runs every industry and everything that they believe in. And it's so sad, self defeating. You see people like literally implode their careers because you want to be political activists. Like I have so many beliefs that I put aside because I work in interchange.

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[George Santos]

payment now and if I were to, if I'm going to survive in entertainment, I can't, I can't allow my politics to rule the way I operate. Right. Like you do what you got to do. Like I'm 90% of the time in a set with a bunch of liberal people. And you know what? It's okay, that's fine. We're here working. We're not here to debate politics. If I'm going to debate policy with someone, I'll run for office again and go debate it on the House floor. Right. It's dumb. It's very, very, very self destructive.

[Tate]

And people are fatigued with it. They have been for.

[George Santos]

I'm just over politics.

[Tate]

So, yeah.

[George Santos]

So talking about politics, Trump today. Trump today in a bombshell, endorses Ken Paxton over John Cornyn. Now, I will say this, you're flexing there. For those of you who didn't see it, do it again, Scott, show us. Come on, do it. Show us your sp arms.

[Scott Pressler]

That was a. If you didn't catch it, it's never happening again.

[George Santos]

So he was flexing his spaghetti arms and all of a sudden, like a penny bumped up here. So did you expect this?

[Scott Pressler]

I was hopeful.

[George Santos]

But did you expect it?

[Scott Pressler]

No.

[George Santos]

Neither did I.

[Scott Pressler]

It was already the second day of early voting. Early voting had already begun.

[George Santos]

And it's funny because yesterday John Cornyn had given comment to Axio saying, yeah, I don't think something along, I'm paraphrasing. I don't think Trump's endorsing me. That should. Ship has sailed. The fact that he said that yesterday he had to been given at least a courtesy of like, hey, we're endorsing Paxton. Yeah, he knew something.

[Chris Carr]

Well, I think Paxton pulled off one of the most stunning political maneuvers I think I've ever seen, which was, if you guys recall, a few months ago, he said, hey, I'll drop out of this race if the SAVE act passes. I mean, Scott, you could probably break down what specifically what happened here.

[Scott Pressler]

No, that, that was monumental. So here we have a sitting Attorney General running for Senate. Senate. When we have a Senate not passing the Save America act, which 84% of Americans want, and he goes all drop out. If the Senate prioritizes passing the Save America Act. Imagine Senator Cornyn could have prevented this endorsement right here and now had he just called Senate Majority Leader Thune. And it shows. And I'm going to be nice and respectful because I still want to work with these people. But I really think it shows the bubble, the narcissism the ego of Washington, D.C. thinking that they know better than the American people and furthermore, that they don't have to act, they don't have to pass legislation, and they'll continue to get elected for 24 years not be able to run on that record. And they know that just the power of the incumbency will get them in every six years over and over again.

[George Santos]

Yeah.

[Chris Carr]

And like, to Trump's credit, massive credit here is not getting enough credit. Because, you know, the common talking point in conservative media is old. Trump is terrible at endorsements. And like, yes, he makes some really terrible endorsements. I'm not here saying he has, like, a stunning record.

[George Santos]

Oh, but are you serious?

[Chris Carr]

There's been some.

[George Santos]

Come on, give me one terrible endorsement.

[Chris Carr]

I mean, Sarah Palin, There's a few rough ones.

[Steve Friend]

But.

[Chris Carr]

But to my point here is that Trump is the first president since FDR in 1938 to endorse challengers to incumbents in Senate races. That's completely unprecedented in American politics. There's this talking point again. People say, oh, he's just universally bad at endorsements. And it's like Trump, actually, this is extremely impressive. And he should be getting massive credit for this as, again, he's willing to go to bat in these races to clean house. What did FDR do in 1938? Why did FDR?

[George Santos]

Why did he do it, though? Do you remember?

[Chris Carr]

Because he deemed that the Southern Democrats, Democrats had too much power in the Democrat Party. So he said, let's clean house. He was unsuccessful. But President Trump is quite successful at doing it. So we've seen this as scalpings left and right in this last election cycle. So Trump should actually be getting massive credit here that, again, he is bucking this trend. He's setting an entirely new precedent. This is unbelievable. What we've seen here. Again, unthinkable that he would endorse Ken Paxton, unthinkable that he'd weigh in on the Cassidy race, and he's not getting the credit. Again, people will nitpick and fair enough on some bad endorsements, but this is unbelievable. This is not something a president has done in, what, 80 years and even before. I mean, that was purely ideological. I mean, this is unbelievable. What's going on here?

[Steve Friend]

Question for Scott on this one. I mean, out of my depth in this one. This would be kind of in your lane. Could this be John Thune not pushing for the Save act, him essentially saying there's no difference between a Ken Paxton and a John Corn?

[Scott Pressler]

No, I don't think he's saying that at all?

[Jorge Santos]

No.

[Scott Pressler]

And I don't mean that in any other way than I watched the press or today of Senate Majority Leader Thune up there with Cotton and Barrasso and Capito, basically his leadership. And they're all, in my opinion, very squishy Republicans. And he said he disagrees with the president's endorsement. He's still pulling for John Cornyn. So now what we have to realize is the Senate only cares about one thing, self preservation and protecting the power of the incumbents. Whoever the incumbents are, they will never support an outsider. They want to protect their own. They are only in that business. And no, I think there is a huge difference between Paxton and Cornyn. And Thune right now was the last to hear about this. He was blindsided by this, which shows he's probably extremely nervous. He just lost Cassidy. He's going to lose Cornyn. And I make a commitment right here and now. If Senate Majority Leader Thune does not give us the Save America Action act this cycle, this year, we will primary him in 2028. And I make a commitment to that.

[Chris Carr]

I mean, it absolutely has to happen. Because, again, the SAVE Act, I mean, looks like beating a dead horse, but you even have, like, Democrats who are like, yeah, that does make sense. That does make sense. Like, this is just unbelievable. What. I would actually be curious what you think. What? I suspect part of the reason why I think a lot of these. You know, I can be a bit more pejorative here, obviously, because I don't need to maintain relationships with these people, these swamp creatures. I think part of the reason why they are so opposed to the SAVE act is because they probably fudged numbers during primaries. I genuinely believe that that could very well be the case. And they understand that it's gonna be a lot more difficult for some of these people that seem to be hated by the base, by and large, but they still win these primaries by dictatorial numbers. Again, I think that that could potentially be. What's going on here is it eliminates a lot of their institutional power.

[Scott Pressler]

To your credit, look at what happened when we closed the primaries in Louisiana. Cassidy comes in third. He gets locked out. He loses in the primary, not the runoff. When we changed it and made it a closed primary. So you couldn't just join the Republican Party and have people infiltrate us and choose the squishy Republican. And so we can learn from this in Alaska. Murkowski is not supporting the Save America Act. So this November, she needs to go. I need every Alaskan to vote yes to Alaska Ballot Measure 2 to repeal Ranked Choice. Voting yes to end the mess and Murkowski's up in 2028. If we use these ballot measures, repeal these awful, destructive, anti election integrity measures that we can finally, as you said, clean house and revamp the Republican Party.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, I mean, we're just. What?

[Scott Pressler]

What are the people saying?

[Chris Carr]

You're laughing.

[George Santos]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Don't pay attention to me. I'm actually. I. I was gonna jump in. I was gonna. Here's a problem. I. I have all the add in the world and this, the chat keeps going like, people either love me or hate me. There's no in between. But everyone loves you. And that's very annoying. It's like very annoying to me. Back on Thune. Okay, I. While you guys were talking, I was googling, I was searching. Apparently $70 million was spent or committed to be spent by SLF on Cornyn. Guys, shocker. $70 million. How does John Th. Look at a donor with like actual credibility and ask for money? I. I don't want to sound repetitive, but I have to ask this, like, how? Like, I can't, I can't. Like I'm thinking like that scene in the Hobbit of Thorin going, like, I won't part with one coin. Like, I can't, I can't. You know what I'm talking about, right? Like dragon sickness has taken over. I'm not giving Republican Senate leadership a penny.

[Chris Carr]

That's why I gotta ask you, Gabby, as insiders, I mean, I've seen a lot of people speculate that the direction these things are moving, these elections are moving to is like pacs really becoming pressure groups, really punching above their weight. Again, to your point, how does John Thune, like, seriously make the case that he was gonna spend your money wisely? I mean, I could see money pouring into these people packs.

[Scott Pressler]

You are exactly correct. Think about it for a second. They spent nearly $100 million in the primary, and a 24 year incumbent, John Cornyn, only won first place with Paxton right behind him by 29,000 votes for $100 million. We could have done voter registration operations in, in Georgia, Arizona, New Hampshire, Maine, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Alaska. We could have literally hired staff registering voters around the clock in every single swing state with the money that was blown on John Cornyn. Meanwhile, they wouldn't give a penny to the Commonwealth of Virginia for the referendum, which we only were victorious because the court decided to do the right thing.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, so.

[Scott Pressler]

And by the way, just to the audience who doesn't know SLF and some other acronyms. The Senate Leadership Fund, which is the personal slush fund of none other than Senate Majority Leader Thune.

[George Santos]

It's from an insider's perspective. It's just frustrating. I've been in the high profile rooms many times, like at the Metropolitan Club in New York or in the Union League Club in New York, when, like big billionaires in New York City are doing fundraisers for him. Actually, I have an awful story with John Thune. Me, me, me, me. And a donor, this lady named Joanne. Last name doesn't matter. I don't want to dox her. We're at the Metropolitan Club. Let's say there's like eight senators there. In the midst of that was Rick Scott and a few other guys. And she pushed on Thune on something. This is after President Trump had lost the 2020 election. And I want to say it's like around 2021. And we're sitting literally on the table next to the CEO of Goya. It's like. And he's committing all this money to Republicans and pretty conservative New Jersey guy. It's like very high profile. I was only in the room because said donor actually bought me along as her plus one because her husband couldn't make it. And this is like a. We're talking six, almost seven figure, like plate food. And it's still rubber chicken and salad. It doesn't matter. The dish doesn't change. So we're sitting there. Can you believe that John Thune, when she questioned him, I'm like, on a specific, specific bill. And why are you, like, not fighting and not fighting for Trump? He turned around and said, lady, you need to either shut up or put your name on the ballot. And I'm like, this woman just like, did you. It was so brazen. I've never seen somebody so obtuse in my life. Yeah. And I sit here and I'm thinking like, this dude, like, literally either resents this whole thing, hates Trump. Clearly. He's. He's the original Rhino. Never Trumper. Mitt Romney is way after him. Like, people don't realize that. He said Trump was over after the 2020 election. He said Trump was over. Well, Trump's coming for all your disciples, Senator Thune. He's coming for every single one of your lackeys, and you're next. I don't think he's going to have the support come January. He will not have the support to be Senate Majority Leader. There is no way. Way. Not if Coran loses. Cassidy's gone. I I can even see Susan Collins going like, yon, you gotta go, because she's gonna survive that race in Maine because Maine's just weird. And I don't know if you guys saw on the news today, the. The dude that's challenging her in Maine was talking about jacking off in porter potties, how every time he goes into the blue box, that smell just triggers him, man, and he needs to rub one out. Like, I'm like, dude, are you serious?

[Chris Carr]

Relating to voters. That's voter outreach. A lot of people were like, whoa, friendly fire.

[George Santos]

I actually. I just said this. I try to say all these things in the most non controversial words, and I now feel absolutely awful for saying it. I'm just like, I don't think I should have said that.

[Tate]

Oh, it's okay. The people need to know what's really going on with the Epstein class, how they behave and how they think of money and how they think of people that push back against the smallest components of what their. The agendas are trying to drive people into.

[Chris Carr]

Now, platinum is so wild. The Epstein class is probably like, dude, geez. Like, tone it down.

[George Santos]

All right, well, look, so. So the Epstein class is wild. Let's talk about Michigan Democrat congressional candidate Shelby Campbell, because girlfriend got moves. I mean, look, there's these videos. The New York. God bless the New York Post. I swear to God, it's my only news. TMZ who? TMZ who? I apparently Shelby here, you know, some very young, attractive. Ish. For some. I don't know. I'm not into women, so.

[Chris Carr]

Water people.

[George Santos]

I'll leave you gentlemen to figure that out. How attractive she is on the Richter scale. Yeah, like, dude, she is twerking on top of her kitchen counters. I've just never seen something. Can we get the video there?

[Tate]

Yeah, can we please?

[Scott Pressler]

Yeah, let's.

[Steve Friend]

Let me see what I can do.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah. Can we video 4K with the zoom in future, please?

[Jorge Santos]

Almost.

[George Santos]

Superman X ray vision.

[Tate]

Just put on repeat, if you don't mind.

[Steve Friend]

Carter, I can do here upside down at the beach, like, election cycle.

[Chris Carr]

Can't remember her name, but this keeps happening. They just keep throwing it back. What's going on, Republicans?

[George Santos]

I am an ethical person dialogue.

[Steve Friend]

Sober too.

[George Santos]

I'm a classy, am I not? I'm glad they beeped that.

[Chris Carr]

It's a compelling.

[George Santos]

This is what I do. Cause I am an ethical person. Tate, does that do it for you?

[Chris Carr]

No, I still need to see her images.

[George Santos]

But I see a stack of dollar bills in your pocket. Is that not meant for her? Is that not for her?

[Chris Carr]

Could be, you know. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, look, things are getting wacky and wild.

[Steve Friend]

This is.

[Chris Carr]

There's a large constituency for this. There really is.

[George Santos]

This is literally. This is the decay of politics. I'm sorry. Like if anybody thought I was the decay of politics, like hold my beer because we got Shelby here.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, you were the damn holding it back. I mean, they did.

[George Santos]

You wish. The most problematic thing that's ever happened in Congress is Georgia.

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[George Santos]

If this gets elected to Congress, this is problematic. It's bad enough we have. You know what? I'm gonna reserve judgment.

[Tate]

I want to see a Congress full of Shelby's. Just for the record. I do.

[Chris Carr]

Republicans got to compete. We got to send Lindsey Graham out there and he needs to throw it back because we got to go at these people, you know, we can't let them take this chunk of the constituency.

[George Santos]

You know, I just love that nobody even questions like you just said Lindsey Graham needs to throw it back because we clearly. Everybody, come on. Nobody challenge. I can't challenge you.

[Chris Carr]

He's a little light in the loafers.

[George Santos]

I cannot challenge. I love loafers, by the way. I can't challenge you. Challenge you in a straight face out. Lindsey Grand Graham.

[Jorge Santos]

Gay rumors, right?

[George Santos]

We're never gonna shake them off. Look. Wow. How do we get rid of Lindsey Graham? He's gonna have a tough race too, by the way. Yeah, he has a tough race.

[Steve Friend]

It looks the endorsement though.

[Tate]

Yeah, he's lost.

[Scott Pressler]

There's gonna be an anti incumbent search.

[George Santos]

But Scott on Lindsey Graham. Super off talk. I. I guess. Are we done with shell main points?

[Scott Pressler]

Yeah, hey, mission accomplished though whether she is a deeply unserious candidate or not, we're taking time out of our lives to discuss her. She accomplished her mission. She got the attention that she wanted and when she loses her election, she might tell everybody to go to her of page so she's going to get what she wants.

[Chris Carr]

A win win. Yeah.

[Steve Friend]

I mean, look who can connect a very unserious person to probably a more serious proposition? When you're talking about the the protection racket that is like the Senate leadership fund, right? Or how much money gets thrown into these primaries. Millions of millions of dollars in the way that it's allocated as essentially a protection scheme for the incumbents who are not on board for what the American people want for this populist movement we have. Isn't this the greatest overall argument for we should just have state conventions where they're going to be most responsive to the grassroots activists who are actually plugged in and not the people who are to the left side of the bell curve on the intelligence scale Yale, who are primed to be convinced by a person who's twerking on TV to vote for that person just because it's.

[George Santos]

Have Democrats learned that twerking does not win elections? Didn't Kamala spend a bunch of money on some random rapper to go twerk on her Con on her Megan thee stallion? Yeah, that didn't work.

[Scott Pressler]

I like her music.

[Tate]

Yeah, far from random, George.

[Scott Pressler]

Well, you make a stallion.

[George Santos]

Good for who?

[Chris Carr]

I know you're a twerking sommelier.

[George Santos]

I didn't know you were into that.

[Tate]

Now tell me more.

[George Santos]

Chris on how Megan DeWalt what these

[Scott Pressler]

form was on.

[Tate]

She's a talented rapper.

[George Santos]

No, she's not.

[Tate]

I think so.

[George Santos]

Nicki Minaj is a talented rapper. Aelia Bangs is a talented rapper.

[Chris Carr]

Spencer Pratt's a great rapper.

[George Santos]

I'm a better rapper.

[Scott Pressler]

I didn't know that might be.

[Chris Carr]

Can you give us a Sansa?

[George Santos]

What can I give? No, I'm just going to give a Nikki verse. Is that okay? Pull up in the Mona automobile Gango with a bad that came from Sri Lanka yeah and a tank of color Wonka you could be the king but watch a queen Kanka first things first, I eat your brain then I'm a salt rocking go teeth and fang cuz that's what the monster do hairdresser from Milan that's a monster do monster Just up your heels that's a monster shoe Young monster is a monster in the Ronca crew and I'm all up all up all up in the bank with a 40 face and if I fake I notice cuz my money ate. So that's. That's fantastic. I love it. I don't know.

[Chris Carr]

That was a gift for all patriots.

[Scott Pressler]

Did we just have Nicki Minaj in the studio with us?

[George Santos]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm a bar.

[Chris Carr]

The aura, the aura emanating from over here.

[Steve Friend]

Get a copyright strike. Strike now.

[George Santos]

Huh?

[Chris Carr]

That was too accurate. No, on the show.

[George Santos]

That was, that was transformative.

[Chris Carr]

All the podcast list, all od only they're like, what? Nikki's there and she's not talking.

[Scott Pressler]

The AI is literally going to detect a copyright from that.

[Steve Friend]

Yeah, it was too, it was too good.

[Chris Carr]

What's the audience how.

[George Santos]

Oh no, the swirly. Ey, I feel, I feel that too. Like, I got lightheaded doing that. I couldn't breathe for like a solid 30 second seconds.

[Steve Friend]

You gotta work on your cardio. You gotta work on your cardio.

[George Santos]

Trust me, I gotta work on a lot more than just my cardio. How about losing like half my body weight to start? But look, all, all, all, all joking aside, I wanna, I wanna do go serious. As serious as I go, which is not very. This is not a serious candidate. Lindsey Graham is a deeply unserious candidate. I, I mean, everybody here was chanting Lady Graham or stuff like that. Gotta go. And I love that. Like, I am prolific pro Trump. I don't understand how the President was able to overcome Lindsey Graham's little meltdown in 2020, right after J sex. The, the literal. Remember, he's like, it was a great run, but it's over. Like, dude, you're over. Nobody really likes Lindsey Graham. I think he is the most unpopular United States senator and we really have to have a conversation in the Republican Party. We need to stop sending him on tv. Whenever we go into like a conflict with a foreign nation, he scares my friends. And then they start calling me like, Lindsey Graham. He's salivating. He's like salivating on tv.

[Steve Friend]

Yeah.

[Jorge Santos]

And you ran and we're gonna bob him.

[George Santos]

And I'm like, dude, get this man off TV. I was, I was on the phone with Meghan McCain and she's like, George. Like, my friends are scared. I'm like, no, my friends are scared too. Like, we, we have to stop sending this man on tv.

[Chris Carr]

He's scaring the hoes, as people say. And I think, can't have that. We can't have that.

[George Santos]

He scares everyone.

[Chris Carr]

Scares everyone, including the hoes. All of us, we're all scared. Like, he's Drooling on tv. He's like, can we just watch Flesh Burn one more time? And it's like, dude, was it a

[Steve Friend]

couple of weeks ago they sent Rick Scott out to say that you don't have to fear any sort of kinetic operation in Cuba because Lindsey Graham hasn't weighed in on it. He's the barometer of warheads on for it.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, yeah, it is a little depressing. I mean, this goes back to where Trump does sometimes make some poor endorsements and. Yeah, the Lindsey Graham one. Oh, I understand. Like, you got, there's, there's, you got to play ball sometimes.

[George Santos]

And friendship, you know, I think there's a friendship and there's a lot to be said about loyalty. President Trump's a loyal guy. I know that from personal experience.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah.

[George Santos]

You know, you're loyal to him. It's a two way street. It's a real two way street.

[Steve Friend]

Trump doxed him in 2016, and he was on the floor of the Senate in 2020 saying, I'm dope. I mean, the, the loyalty there's relatively new.

[George Santos]

No, no, it's old. They go way back. They go way back. As you say whatever you want to say there. I'm just going to take a sip of pool water.

[Chris Carr]

And yeah, Trump's gone to war. War with guys before and they make up. I mean, Mark Ruby is the Secretary of State.

[George Santos]

I mean, little Marco.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah. Retiring at his medium Marco now.

[George Santos]

I love Marco Rubio.

[Chris Carr]

He's most improved player, I would say, if we're giving out a wide. I mean, he's been fantastic Secretary of State.

[George Santos]

The best Secretary of State, I think, in a long time.

[Chris Carr]

Certainly the modern era in the.

[George Santos]

I mean, I, people don't understand when I say this, but I do believe Condoleezza Rice was a good Secretary of State. It's a hot take when you think about what she had to juggle. The woman had to juggle. Nine, 11, Iraq, Afghanistan. And she did it quite gracefully. But, but her antics, again, very war hawkish, which again, I'll say within her function, she, within her function, she managed under pressure and she never once broke down and she stood loyal. By which I called President Bush a war criminal. And I will die saying that. That's another hot take. I don't know how much trouble I'll get in for that.

[Chris Carr]

I think that's like everyone now.

[George Santos]

I mean, pretty much, yeah, yeah, he's a war criminal and I don't care. People are going to say, like, you're a criminal. I'm like, you know what? But I didn't go and kill anybody. How about that? I didn't send every single soldier you could lay eyes on said you're going to go die. It's like that's, that's George Bush. But anyway, I get the memo. I get the memo. Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets. And that's an interesting one because the prediction markets have been facing a lot of challenge. Kalashi, polymarket and is there any other app out there? I don't know. Yeah, wasn't like a predicted or something like that.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, those are the two titans though.

[George Santos]

Yeah. The ones with the lobbying dog wasn't predicted first though. I thought so. Maybe I, I could be wrong. But anyway, looks like Minnesota is the first one to nail the coffin to seal the coffin on these guys. It looks like Mike Wall signed the nation's first law banning prediction market sites from operating income the state and in response the Trump administration has sued teeing up a legal battle over the most far reaching crackdown unpopular services like Kaush and polymarket. I don't know why President Trump would go, the admin would go to war. There's a big

[Steve Friend]

people on the war, on using them.

[George Santos]

Well, I don't know about that. That's been disproven time and time again everybody. Do you know how many times you'll see on Twitter, oh the, the Venezuela trade. Remember that was Barron Trump. Well, unless Barron Trump is a seal.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah. I mean I'm sure Tim Waltz's reason for this is probably really gay but I do have this, I'm very big hair church lady.

[George Santos]

Everything about him is gay.

[Chris Carr]

It's very true. That's kind of, I have very big hair church lady stances on vices. I hate gambling. This is one of my, I'm a very pro Trump guy. I've been known as a Trump shill and I happily accept it that but like one of the big departures I have with the Trump administration is again these embraces of things like gambling, the weed declassification. There's a myriad of other other ways where this has happened and from my perspective, if you are to believe a lot of the reporting, it does seem like again this is lobbying weighing in. I don't think Trump really cares about these things so this isn't hit on him. This is just, this is a certain issue with lobbying.

[George Santos]

The weed, the weed rescheduling though I'm going to push back. I am anti marijuana and I get a of lot of slack for that. I, I do have a, a sister and her she, she's on great track now my sister. But we did take steal years of her life. Essentially it's an addiction that will like quite make you useless and, and it's crazy. It stole years of my sister's life. But that being said, I did agree with the reclassification. I'll tell you why. From a fiscal perspective, we were being cheated blind as the government was being cheated blind. And we're not in a position to let industries operate almost like cartel, like legalized cartel like operations. Because it was a scheduled one, all those farmers were not able to open a bank account.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah.

[George Santos]

And because they couldn't open a bank account. This was a highly cash driven industry and very hard to keep accountable on taxation purposes. I believe there's going to be be a 4 to 8x growth in tax revenue because of this. Because now they can open bank accounts with Schedule 3.

[Chris Carr]

That's kind of like, that's my two qualms with it is Schedule 3 is one giving them banking access. Now they're able to write off losses. And this is what held back the tide from basically Wall street dumping money into the weed industries because they had this looming fear of like, okay, well we can't write off any of our losses. So let's say make 9 million, $10 million, lose 9 million. Now they can write off on 9 million. And then in addition to that, I mean we've seen the studies. The studies are. And you know, everyone says, oh they can, we can study it now. Dude, like some more people, more zoomers smoke weed than drink now. Like we can study this perfectly fine. We saw in Colorado when they legalized weed that for every dollar of tax revenue generated they had to spend three and a half dollars on costs related to weed.

[George Santos]

Like automobile accidents. Also collisions became a big, a bigger issue in Colorado.

[Chris Carr]

Biggest barometer rehab re education. There's so many police dispatches. I mean there were so many issues that came along with it and that's like bulletproof data. And then we saw the JAMA study come out recently who is kind of the final authority in a lot of these things. And he said, yes, we're seeing in adolescence that it is increasing psychosis. This is bad for people. I know there's all these potheads, they always go after me on this take. But it's just true. Sorry, it's true. And then the way it all went down was so sketchy. There was a Washington Post article. You can roll your eyes, but this was a pretty solid article back in December where Susie Wiles was Hosting a motley crue of, of weed CEOs and the CEO of Trulieaf, the largest weed company in America, the CEO, Kim, I forget her surname. Kim. She worked with Susie Wiles at Ballard Partners. So it was like very obvious what happened here. So Trump, according to this article, is on the phone with Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson's pushing back saying, hey, this is a bad idea. Like the data's coming in, we really shouldn't do this. And Trump, cause he just, he's not interested in this. He's got bigger fish to fry. He passes the phone to this lady from Trulie, the CEO, and then she explains to Mike Johnson why she's pushing the Trump administration to reclassify marijuana. Because from my perspective, this is what's holding the market back, actually. And as soon as it gets reclassified now Wall street can dump everything in and this market's going to completely explode and you can't put a lid.

[George Santos]

There is a handicap, though, it looks like this is my understanding. And the reconciliation bill, they're going to try to do a cap on losses on marijuana, by the way, and it's 20, you have to 20%. So to, you know, it's going to be almost like the way that we can do tax credits where you kind of compile them like, okay, you could use, use 10,000 next year. 10,000 next year. It's going to be a forever fund of losses. But I, I again, look, nothing's perfect in our government, as Massey said earlier, by the way, it was just interesting because he was talking about bills and one pagers. Yeah, the smaller the bill, the better the bill. Sure, always. So go ahead, Scott. Sorry. You look like you're going to have an infart.

[Scott Pressler]

No, just America chooses what psychosis it's willing to put up with and I mean, they'll wage a war against one thing, but then allow this to invade the minds of our youth and allow Chinese TikTok influence to cause psychosis of our own. So, but notwithstanding, back to the predictive markets for a second. I could understand an argument trying to stop foreign interference in our elections because a lot of people do put a lot of, of trust in the predicted and the predicting markets. If there was a way that we could validate it was only lawful American citizens participating in such a thing. But can we just take a moment to notice that Minnesota, the state that has huge Medicaid fraud and is allowing Somali immigrants to defraud the American people, is more concerned about election interference than what's going on on in its state. I just think it's very inconsistent and very ironic.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, I mean, that's why I was making the point initially, and I totally agree is because I'm sure his reasoning for this is probably really corrosive and gay, quite frankly. I mean, the same thing happened in New York City where New York City accidentally passed a really base law. But they didn't mean for this to happen as they passed a law which said all businesses are required to accept cash no matter what. No ands, if or buts, you have to accept cash. Which as a conservative, I'm like, that's good because we saw Beto o' Rourke threatening when he was running for senate and they were like, how will you ban AR15 sales in a state that'll never pass any laws on that? And he said, well, I would instruct Chase to block those purchases. So the table was set right there. This is how they're gonna interfere with Americans civil rights, with their actual God given rights. The right to purchase a firearm is they would utilize banks. So New York City passed this law, but their explanation for it was actually terrible. They were like, it's cause homeless people can't have access to banks and we need them to buy stuff from bodegas. And all these like, okay, but the. But the actual result of it turned out to be really conservative policy. I think this is another example of this is like where this is probably actually a really poor explanation, but the outcome I think would be favorable if you're like truly a social conservative, like all the way. I mean, because again, gambling, it's just Pandora's box. It's my same thing with weed is

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[Chris Carr]

Stand like the impulse to maybe open it up a little more. It seems fair. But the problem is all Wall street needs is a foot in the door and it'll blow idle open.

[Steve Friend]

And the accuracy of those, those futures markets, I mean, I understand intellectually why it would make sense. Because instead of people just answering some random pollster, or because the polls are coming into people who only have landline phones, ergo, it's going to trend towards an older demographic. It's not going to be as accurate as people were willing to put their money on the line. So you would infer from that it's going to be more accurate. But then what they're finding out now is that people who invest in these futures are just better at placing bets. Bets they're superior, they're doing better on this than they are at sports bets. So they just are superior at identifying value rather than actually saying what's more likely to happen. So really putting weight into it as a predictive market isn't really as accurate as I think that they were hoping it would be.

[Chris Carr]

I think it just goes back to functionally the same issue. I would have a sports gambling, which is this is effectively a poverty tax because again, like people with a lot of capital that are growth money are not putting their financial future on the line for predictive betting. They're playing the stock market or various other avenues to build wealth. This primarily is going to hit people that probably can't afford to lose the money that they're going to lose on these predictive marketing, lottery. So that's always been my primary issue.

[Steve Friend]

Lottery, same thing.

[Chris Carr]

Lottery is the most egregious one because it's like, at least with the predictive marketing you threw money on, you know, Ed tonight, you know, probably he's going to win.

[Steve Friend]

Theoretically, you could have researched.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, but like, so you can do a little dd, but as far as lottery, you're literally just like donating to. You're donating, donating to the lottery.

[George Santos]

How about this? But how about the. Well, how about this? Look, in Minnesota, the problem with the bill is it literally turns lawful operators and participants in prediction markets into felons overnight. And that. Those are the exact words of CFTC chairman Michael Selig. Yeah, like how, how can that, like, how can that even. How can walls square that away? But then again, this is the same guy who wanted to put tampons in boys bathrooms.

[Steve Friend]

So I was kidnapping in Minnesota.

[George Santos]

Yeah. I catch myself here trying to, to even understand and rationalize him. It's so hard because the dude is just so insane. So my, my question if, if it would be, is what's going to happen moving forward? Are these people now all, you know, declared felons by the state of Minnesota de facto like they had ongoing bets, let's just say people who had bets that were ongoing for tonight. What were they supposed to do? You know what I mean? It, it creates a, it creates a chaos and that's what Democrats are really good at doing, is creating chaos. I've seen it firsthand. Now I do know one thing. A lot of states are challenging these prediction platforms as gambling websites and they're trying to get gambling income individual, like dispersed of the states versus the funding being overseen by the cftc.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, yeah. I mean the one thing here why Minnesota might be an outlier is because sports betting is still legal in Minnesota. So at least they can say they're being fairly consistent here. Even if again the Tim Waltz is just going to have a completely different perspective on this for me. But in states where sports betting is legal, but then they go after these prediction markets that indicates it's entirely political and should be dismissed out of hand.

[Steve Friend]

Yeah, that's the lobby from the sports betting places that they're going to, going to the politicians saying well we gotta get rid of these predictive markets because they're essentially functioning in our territory. Yeah, we're legal. And that, that's, you're back to access. That's the problem of access. When you have the ability to, you know, like, like Ms. Adelson, you know, like Congressman or former, soon to be former congressman Thomas Massey was pointing out, when you have access then for the power that's attached to it and then you're subverting what the, what the, the populace, what the, the constituency is actually in favor of.

[George Santos]

Look, I don't know. I'm at a point where

[Scott Pressler]

I don't

[George Santos]

even know what matters anymore. Like here we, we're arguing. I'm going to go like a little off the deep end here, but we're arguing over prediction markets, right? Gas is five bucks. Yeah. I mean people are, are complaining about grocery prices and again I, I understand that everything comes with a cost and I understand that the operations in Iran have a long term effect. The problem is that youth, youth, my generation has not lived without a single war since I was a kid. We're tired and we're, I'M an elder millennial.

[Steve Friend]

Millennial.

[Jorge Santos]

Right.

[George Santos]

Zoomers. I mean, so are you. So don't laugh.

[Scott Pressler]

I am laughing. So are you, like, to admit it.

[George Santos]

Yeah. You're an elder millennial too. Okay. Gandalf of the millennials.

[Steve Friend]

I'm a gray beard millennial.

[Tate]

A gray beard millennial. Okay, all right.

[Chris Carr]

I mean, I was born eight months before 9 11. So

[George Santos]

you're a millennial.

[Chris Carr]

No, I was 2001.

[George Santos]

Oh, that's right.

[Steve Friend]

90. You never went to an airport to meet a loved one?

[Chris Carr]

No, I, I tried to do that thing because me and my girlfriend live in different cities. So I tried to do that thing where you can, like, ask the airport if you can, like, check in a, like a guest to walk with you to the, to the gate. And they were like, what are you talking about? I was like, I saw it in a movie. That's been 30 years since you're allowed to do that. I was like, I'm sorry. Then don't put it in the movies. You can't do that.

[George Santos]

9 11.

[Chris Carr]

You misled me.

[George Santos]

You can only do that with minors now.

[Chris Carr]

Okay, yeah, they, they. A plane crashes, and now all of a sudden, you know.

[George Santos]

It wasn't just a plane crash. Well, yeah, it wasn't just the plane crash, but anyway, the point I'm trying to make is it's like I. I think we need to, to just understand where this puts us as far as party, as far as a country. Like, we're prioritizing minutia when there's real issues on the table, and where do we go from there? Like, Scott, what is the message? To win the midterm? How about that? I think Trumpism can win primaries. Fine. Love that. Love that for us. Love that for conservatives. But what is the message? To win the actual elections?

[Scott Pressler]

Pass the Save America Act. Okay, well, and it's okay to talk about minutia or diminutive topics as long as you tie it back to the broad topic at hand. So, for example, we're talking Minnesota. Well, anyone that knows Minnesota knows that they have vouching in the state where one registered voter can vouch for up to eight people without proof of citizenship or voter ID or any idea whatsoever. And then when you Note that in 2008, Al Franken was elected by 312 votes and was the 60th vote for the Affordable Care act, which we still have today. I think as long as we do a good job of always tying it back to this is why this issue is important, and the way that we defeat it is by passing election security and the Save America act, which helps everything. So now if we, if we want to win this November, pass the Save America act into law and secure elections.

[Steve Friend]

I think SAVE act is your break glass in case of emergency option, because I think it's going to be too late to do one of the other two primary things. One would be bringing down inflation radically and just the lag on that.

[George Santos]

Inflation doesn't come down radically overnight, though. It takes a lot of work.

[Steve Friend]

Have the time.

[George Santos]

You don't have the time for that. So that ship's a sale. So let's. That's a great message. But I agree with you that it is not enough. Enough to. I think we need more than just pass a SAVE Act.

[Steve Friend]

You need to. You need to return to what originally happened last year with illegal alien deportations. Now with it. What's gone on in the last. Since February, since you had the, the crackdown pullback, the Dunkirk that went on in Minneapolis because you had the two shootings that went on there. And then they've gone soft.

[George Santos]

It's not that they gone soft.

[Steve Friend]

I mean, they've gone. I characterize it as. You've gone mean girls. It's.

[George Santos]

No, no, no, no.

[Steve Friend]

You've gotten mean girls. You had. So, so you had.

[George Santos]

You had two incidents of shootings that were not justifiable.

[Steve Friend]

I mean, arresting a thousand illegals a day.

[George Santos]

Amazing. Keep doing that.

[Steve Friend]

That's not where there was.

[Chris Carr]

No.

[Steve Friend]

That's 365,000 a year. That's nowhere close to the mass.

[George Santos]

Deeper I under. I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is I, I was on the show. We talked about this. Like, I, I understand. I understand the, the intensity that ICE goes under. Like, are you kidding? Is honorable what they do, but when two American citizens die, it's. It's hard to not take a pause and like, okay, we need to continue to do this without having any more casualties, because it's not. It's not optimal.

[Scott Pressler]

She tried to run over a police officer again.

[George Santos]

Agreed. She was stupid. She put herself in that position. The other one bringing a gun to like. They both put themselves in that position. But you were in law enforcement. When something like this happens, like, you have to take a step back and, and like, all right, we gotta figure out a way. Like, you can't just. Let me ask you this, Steve, tell me this. In the FBI, if casualties like that happen, right? In your time you were there, do you guys just continue business as usual? Do you try to figure out, hey, how do we avoid this moving forward?

[Steve Friend]

Well, I mean, you could look to no other example than what they did with January 6th, that no casualties would have been enough for them there. They would have gone forward. And I think with.

[George Santos]

Now that's a hot. I, I like that, actually. That's a great example. Example.

[Steve Friend]

So with, when it comes to deportations, though, you're dealing with not American citizens. So the expectation of protection of civil rights and all those things that they're not afforded because they're not part of the social compact, you have more latitude to be far more aggressive in that context. And I think when you have pulled back and you've declared victory by doing the Dunkirk and saying, well, we're going to withdraw from Minneapolis and then just say we want. The only reason the dunk is Kirk is historically considered any sort of victories because they won the overall war. If you're deporting less than a thousand illegal aliens nationwide a day, that's hardly going to give you the success rate. And to, to the metaphor I like to use with this Mean girls go back to the movie. You have the it kid leaves the ex girlfriend. Democrat Party voters being the it kid, they leave the ex girlfriend. They go to the, the new girl. The new girl being the Republicans who were swept into the president's both houses of Congress because they like what the, what the new girl was about, and that was mass deportations. And then new girl says, you know, I kind of want the friends of the mean girls. New York Times, Washington Post, npr, Axios. So we're just going to go soft. Well, what's the it kid going to do the voter? Well, there's no difference between the girls. Now I'm just going to go back to the other one because she was hotter and she gave me better bennies.

[Chris Carr]

Well, I think there's like two things going on that makes it really difficult, difficult for the Trump administration is one, they're dealing with Congress, which we've discussed ad nauseam that they're just not going to play ball. The big beautiful bill, I mean, we were like scratching to get that through the, through the door. You had to throw in a bunch of crap in there to get it across the finish line. But two, I agree. I mean, like, it's just a thousands drop in the bucket. I mean, they estimate 10 to 20 million came in just under Biden alone.

[George Santos]

So 30. Yeah, I mean, I was there. 30. 30 was the oddest number. But Mallorcas refused and Becerra in California both literally refused to look at the facts. Every time they were hauled into Congress.

[Chris Carr]

So we're talking like tens of millions of So I totally agree. But also part of the problem that the Trump administration is running into is that the function of our government apparatus has been to import as many people as possible for like decades now. So reorienting that entire, where that entire apparatus towards deportations is extremely difficult to do. As we've seen. I'm still sort of like, I'm still pretty white pilled on this because, I mean, there's a lot of different things that we're seeing out of the State Department specifically that would indicate this is still a focus in a lot of different departments in the administration. I mean, the white South African thing alone just tells you that they're like locked in, they're dialed in on this issue. They're just running into extreme resistance in the courts because we see that over one guy, that Abrego Garcia guy. The Democrats turned out into a wedge issue and made it a two month thing. So I think two things can be true.

[George Santos]

And margaritas.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, I think two things can be true. Here is one, the deportation. The deportation numbers are way too low. Again, it's three. They could bring that back in a month. But also, I think the Trump administration, we do have to let them cook a little bit more on this because there's still so much that has to be unraveled here. They're coming to new agreements with local jurisdictions every day, which does make it easier to reject illegal immigrants. But the secret sauce here is self deportations. That's what's going to be the secret sauce in carrying out mass deportations. How practical is it for ice to take 10,000 people a day, Be very, very difficult for them to do. So the secret sauce here is what President Trump has been doing is again cranking up the pressure on the primary way people illegally immigrant into the country is visa overstays. So you have to crank up the pressure.

[George Santos]

Specifically 70%.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah. So you have to crank up the pressure and, and that, you know, all the pressure. And then people will begin to self deport because they'll just say, the gravy train's gone. I gotta go home. We saw this in Denmark, where Denmark, very liberal country. They said, we've had enough immigration. So they just eviscerated the illegal welfare net that they had for migrants. And most of them just left because they're like, oh, I'm not getting free money anymore. Okay.

[George Santos]

I've made, I've made this argument so many times, so many times. I did it on the house floor. The only way to close a spigot of economic migrants who are mainly B1, B2 visa holders which is tourism and leisure. Leisure tourism business is it's the easiest visa to get. It's like vulgar as hell. It's like it's so easy to qualify for the threshold is so low and 70% of illegal aliens in this country are all visa overstays actually and the one and they're all economic migrants. Right. They come here with some story I'm going to go to Disneyland or New York, I want to say a Broadway show. That's literally the excuses they use when they're being when they're talking to the agents, CBP agents and airports. Atlanta, New York, whatever. Right. So here's here's the interesting thing. Do you want to cut immigration drastically? Go unearth the bill that I introduced amended a little bit and essentially say that non legal residents cannot have any banking privileges in America meaning they can't Western Union, they can't VGO with verbo care.

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[Chris Carr]

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[George Santos]

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[Steve Friend]

danger that I could see that I haven't seen it discussed anywhere. So you're dealing with failure to pass a SAVE act. Okay. You're seeing a tremendous migration within the country of people fleeing blue states to red states. But as it comes to apportionment with congressional representation with the electoral college the total population is what counts and they are including illegal aliens in the that which is why the blue states that have sanctuary policies they're incentivized to keep it there. There's going to be a push for red states which are doing a good job a better job of deporting illegal ends cooperating with the feds to do it to from the Republicans, from the squishy Republicans, from the Lindsey Grahams to say you have to stop cooperating because we need to keep the population there so that we can elect more Republicans from these red states which essentially is going to give you an amnesty.

[Scott Pressler]

I think think it wouldn't be a problem if we didn't. And I've been down to the border. I will say the border secure. Went to an area that went from thousands of migrants coming into the country, into the interior.

[George Santos]

Which area did you go to?

[Scott Pressler]

McAllen, Texas.

[George Santos]

Okay. I was never there. I was in El Paso, san Diego, Yuma.

[Scott Pressler]

2500 a day. Illegal aliens coming in to 50. Now, 50 doesn't mean going into the interior immediately deported. But I was just thinking, while you guys are tacking, and I think you, you make a point. Chat show George, because he's reading the chat right now. Do you want more deportations? Are we failing to deport the amount of illegal aliens that we thought we would get when we reelected President Donald Trump in 2024? And that's not a slight. If we are going to make sure that electorally we actually make a difference, we must deport what if any migrant we chose to bring into America, they signed a written agreement that if they chose to have a baby, that baby could not be an American citizen.

[George Santos]

You'd have to change the law on birthrights, from lettersse to sanguine, which is what's being challenged right now.

[Scott Pressler]

But in America, you can give up your citizenship and become a, what do they call it?

[George Santos]

Expat.

[Scott Pressler]

Not an expat, but stateless. Stateless. Or they have like a nation name for it. We could create some legal document that any person coming over their child, you

[George Santos]

have to have to win the, we

[Chris Carr]

have a legal document.

[Steve Friend]

Document like the Constitution that.

[George Santos]

Yeah, but you have to win a legal argument in the court. Look, I'm here for it, right? Like, I, I, I'm okay.

[Scott Pressler]

Babies.

[Chris Carr]

Well, that's why if this birthright citizenship doesn't go our way in the Supreme Court, the path forward is so much more difficult because again, they can just pour back in, pop a kid out, and then they're here forever.

[George Santos]

Here's a problem. There's something called, there's something called birth tourism. And it happens prednomina dominantly. Happens in Miami, Florida. Florida. I know people don't like to talk about it because it's a great state of Florida, but the majority of birth tourism takes place in Florida.

[Scott Pressler]

Yeah.

[George Santos]

South America, Asia, Russia. The amount if you go to Sunny Isles, it's like, first of all, English optional. Like Sunny Isle in, in South Florida is legit English optional. Between all the Slavic immigrants that live there that literally come here on their, there's at the middle of their pregnancy, like mid second trimester, pop. Their babies bounce back to Russia. Eighteen years later, they have an American citizen coming here to start their life or whatever. Or vote. Mail, Same thing. Well, I, I don't even take it that far? Because I'm trying to.

[Scott Pressler]

No, they take it that, I'll put

[George Santos]

it this way, two nations who are chief violators of this. And here's another thing that nobody talk. These are real statistics. I can't, I can dork out here and be absolutely boring and I don't want to be so boring. But I'll just say this. These people come here, they take advantage of our medical system because it's an honor system. You will go through prenatal, you'll give birth, you'll dump, you'll dip and gyp us on sixty to seventy thousand dollar birth bill, you know, delivery bill and never have to pay for it. That, that's literally what they do. Right. And they come from three countries on the top list of this is Russia, Brazil and Colombia. That it is. There's tourism agencies in these countries selling these packages. We'll set you up with the apartment, we'll make the initial medical appointment and it flies right under the nose of the State Department.

[Steve Friend]

Yeah.

[George Santos]

And the consulates in all these countries, nobody's do it. These people show up like I'm going to Disney and you're like five months pregnant.

[Chris Carr]

Really?

[George Santos]

You're going to go on a roller coaster. That's really smart. Said no one ever. But they get the visa, they get the B1 B2 visa which is a problem a lot of people think earlier last year in the beginning of 2025 the big issue discussion was the H1B visas.

[Chris Carr]

Right.

[George Santos]

Those are not the main issue as far as visas go. J1B1B2 are the chief violating visas of overstays. J1 is a student visa. I'm going to go to America to learn English. They never freaking leave. Yeah, I know they never leave. So I think there needs to be a lot of visa reform. I think there needs to be a lot of reduction and create lower quotas. Some countries in South America don't even have limits and quotas of how many they can issue. They just issue them as they, it's, it's, it's discretionary decision from the consulates in, in all of South America. We need to change that. We need to give quotas.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah.

[George Santos]

You can pat, you can give X amount of visas annually. Immigration is not hard to fix. It's not definitely Maria Salazar's bill, verbatim, the Dignity Act. I think I, I once, I once upon a time supported that bill. Now it's like right.

[Chris Carr]

Just it's roundabout amnesty.

[George Santos]

It's pretty much Reaganism amnesty.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah. I mean like this is the thing. And to the Trump administration's credit, I mean, they've jammed up visas from like 76 countries now. But there was some notable exceptions. And I think these would be the countries that come to the forefront of people's minds when they do think about, about the people that are coming here and disrupting their lives. India was absent from the list. China was absent from the list. Mexico was absent from the list. I mean, these are the countries that again, if you just go and talk to people on the street, go to Dallas, you know, go to Houston, go to Atlanta, go to Memphis, I mean, these are the cities. If you go and ask these people, you know, which countries, which sources of immigration are causing you the most problems, they will cite those countries. So it's like, yes, it's fantastic, excellent. Because that would have never happened probably anyone under any Republican that's Trump's current. But yeah, we gotta expand that visa jam up. I mean, that's just the key here. Because also, like, you can call me like a libtard or something, but to be fair, the countries. And Trump said this himself, you know, he was saying like offhand, he's like, why can't we get more migrants from like Denmark or Norway? It's like cuz it's really hard for people that actually follow the law to come here from countries we would like people to come from. I mean, Trump, he made this. I don't know if it was a tweet or if he said this offhand like a long time ago, but he's like, border patrol treats my wife really poorly. You know, they treat her really poor. So it's like this weird thing happens all across the west, but specifically in the United States is when like white people are trying to immigrate to the country. We crank up like the immigration pressure as high as possible. We make it like impossible for them to come here. Just ask anyone that's come from Europe because they typically speak English. Just ask them and they'll be like, yes, it was like hell on earth trying to cross the finish line. But if you rock up from Nicaragua, rock up from India, come on in. Here's 13 different. Here's a visa menu that you can select from. It's unbelievable. Believable.

[George Santos]

16 visa options to come to the United States out of South American countries combined.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, 16.

[George Santos]

There's 16 ways you can come to this country with a visa. If you're in South America between Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Uruguay, Paraguay.

[Chris Carr]

If you're coming from Denmark, you got to wait four years and spend Half.

[George Santos]

Oh, not, not just that. Like, here's the deal. European. The EU has the ESTA visa waiver program, but it, in its own self, it is so restrictive.

[Chris Carr]

It's crazy.

[George Santos]

It's, it's, it's. Look, I, I, I know this is going to sound so bad. I'm not concerned about migration coming in here from Switzerland or, or I, I'm really not.

[Chris Carr]

It's okay to say that they want

[George Santos]

to go back, they don't want to stay here. Yeah, they, they have better quality of life in those countries.

[Chris Carr]

And no. Ever got ate by a Swiss person.

[George Santos]

No, no. It's absolutely true. So, like, it's, it's the people who come here to, It's a, it's a game of addition immigration. Right. Look, a lot of people like to say, oh, yeah, your, your family came here back in the, in the early 1900s. Yeah, they came here through Ellis Island. They built lives here. They contributed to our culture, to our society. New York City was legit built on the backs of Italian and Irish immigrants. Every single thing about New York City was built on immigration. That is accurate. But they built this new wave of Somali, Haitian, I mean, they, they take, they destroy. This is like they're turning parts of this country into Port au Prince. Like, it's not good. Like, we're bringing in pirates now. We're bringing in cannibals now. It's a big difference from what we used to bring in. So, yes, I will make this distinction because it's accurate historically backed by fact. It's frustrating when I have to argue about this, because I sound crazy, but it's so obvious.

[Chris Carr]

I mean, like, you can look at when the Hart Cellar act was being implemented of the 1965 Immigration Act. We discussed it at length on Friday with Jeremy. Carl, you can go take a look at that. And the fears at the time from the people that were opposed to the Hart Celler act, that looks like fantasy land compared to now. They were so tame their expectations. Their biggest fear was that when the Hart Cellar act was passed, that we would see a wave of Polish people move to the country. That is not what's happened whatsoever. The sources of migration, no one, even the liberals that were pushing for the Hart Cellar act, we're like, yeah, it's not gonna, like, change, you know, the culture of the country at all. We're probably just gonna bring in more Czechs and more Slovakians and more Poles. Not what happened at all. And to George's point, I mean, the migrants that are coming now are vastly Different. The people that are coming now are economic migrants. People that came before were ideological migrants insofar as they had an ideological disconnect with their home country. They wanted. They were desiring to live in America because of the way we lived our lives. They were desperate to move in, in and integrate into the country. They were buying into the American project. The people coming now, they just want to have Nicaragua, for example, but in America, they want to have Nicaragua, but with a better economy.

[Steve Friend]

Even their flag as they come. I mean, you're. You're probably too young, but I remember being in school for kids who were first generation who were not allowed to speak anything but English when they were home because their parents said, you're an American. Now. You're going to speak that. So they essentially lost their. Their dialect that could have been brought down through the generations from their parents because the parents absolutely refused. And it was. We would have a play date, and my mom couldn't communicate with my friend's mom, so we'd have to use the kid as a translator. Those days are gone.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, Zoron's, like, doing ads in Persian for. It's like, unbelievable.

[George Santos]

My.

[Steve Friend]

My wife is from Ukraine. She came here when she was 14 years old and to talk about how, you know, you get treated different. They misspelled her name and they refused to correct the way that they spelled her name because it's like, well, that's your problem. I don't care.

[Chris Carr]

But she was from Pakistan. Red carpet rolled out. Yes, come on in. We'll get you a hotel.

[Steve Friend]

Her legal name is not. Is not accurate. It's a misspelling.

[Chris Carr]

It's insane. I mean, it's insane. And it's because there's the racial component. People can't be honest about these things, by the way. Not racial. But the Japanese, they typically make pretty good migrants. I don't think anyone's like, oh, no, some Japanese people move next door. Never has happened in the history of the. This country. Well, maybe besides Pearl Harbor. So it's like, let's just be honest. We can be honest about these things. Like, we don't have to dance around this. Because what the American people react to is honesty. And this is why Trump was so successful, because he came in 2016 and he didn't do the Jeb Bush routine of, like, diversity is our strength. He was like, they're sending rapists. He was this close to saying a racial slur, dude.

[George Santos]

That's why he won.

[Chris Carr]

That's why he wanted. Thank you.

[George Santos]

I wanted to say how Can I say this? He wasn't, you know, the, the, he wasn't gay. Yeah, there you go. He was straightforward about it. Like, look, Trump's biggest superpower has always been blunt, honesty, brutality.

[Steve Friend]

He's not worried about being artful.

[George Santos]

I don't care. You know why I don't care? Because literally I will go back. Exactly. To be being redundant to like what we just said. They're literally sending pirates and cannibals to our country now. Like, period, full stop. Like, can we get back like the long haired settlers who built this nation? Like Scott Pressler with your, like, it's real Paul Revere outfit.

[Steve Friend]

I gotta be honest, I can't see Scott Pressler building up New York City.

[George Santos]

I can. You should see him and Paul Revere get up that they do online.

[Chris Carr]

He'd be one of the southern gentry, you know, the cavalier class makes landed

[Scott Pressler]

toxic to pirates and cannibals and people that eat animals other than, you know, that are domesticated, that are dags, cats, et cetera. That's number one. But number two, we could do a better job. President Trump flexes on tariffs. Why are we not doing a better job saying Mexico? See, what's happening is these migrants come across the border, we deport them back. A day later, they're coming across the border again, trying to get in. They're not able to get into the interior, but there is no mechanism from other countries penalizing the illegal aliens continuously trying to come across the border. We need to use our flex monetarily wise and say you want a good trade deal with us, then you need to penalize the very people that we capture and deport and detain over and over and actually imprison them. And then we will give you good trade deals.

[Chris Carr]

Deals, yeah.

[Scott Pressler]

That's the kind of thinking.

[Chris Carr]

Absolutely. And that's why it's so bewildering that like sometimes the gloves come off, but then sometimes the gloves stay on. I mean, like, I mean, again, I'll go back to like India. I mean again, like people in America are so frustrated with Indian immigrants. Like, this is the case all across the Anglosphere, quite frankly. But in the United States, again, this is the number one thing I hear when you go to, especially a city like Dallas. It's unbelievable what's happened to Dallas in the last 20 years. It's unrecognizable, visible. Why is India getting like the, the, the, you know, the soft kid gloves treatment right now? I mean, I understand that they're an emerging power and everything, but this is Somewhere where you could just get an easy win. You would accumulate political capital. By the way, like everyone talks about immigration. It's like, well, why do you spend political capital in Iran and not mass deportations? You could actually get political capital if you just cut the crap with countries like India who are just like the people that are coming over, quite frankly are just not adding much. The United States, there's exceptions, obviously. I'm not denying that. But exceptions don't disprove the norm.

[George Santos]

Norm.

[Chris Carr]

And when you're conducting policy, you have to base it on norms, not expectations.

[George Santos]

I'll take their, I'll take their higher

[Chris Carr]

caste immigrants, high cast. Come on in.

[Steve Friend]

Talk about the DFW area with the fha.

[George Santos]

Did it cancel?

[Steve Friend]

That went so during the Biden administration. How H1B visa holders typically in DFW area. We're going to be Indian. And they received FHA loans to buy houses where they had to come in with 0 to 3% down and they could get the difference from the state. So they, they were essentially competing for half million dollar houses with $0 versus an American who had to bring in $100,000 to buy the exact same house. And that drove property prices up. It created these enclaves and it's the entitlement of. Well, we're not assimilating to the American melting pot culture. We're just transposing ours here and we want a higher paying job. Higher paying job for us. It'll be lower for you American because it's standard living.

[Chris Carr]

And they had throwing up monkey statues just to celebrate the victor. It's a little victory lap and literally a giant statue of a monkey in,

[George Santos]

in Dallas Fort Worth, dude, they built the largest Gurdvada, which is like an Indian temple in the world in New Jersey. Wow. I'm not kidding. That's an actual fact.

[Chris Carr]

The Sopranos could have seen that would have happened. What would have gone down?

[George Santos]

Look, it goes without saying, immigration in, in a sense has become toxic. Toxic to the sense that we're not like traffic. They're not sending their best. They're sending rapists, murderers, drug dealers, cannibals, pirates.

[Chris Carr]

They're sending losers too. Like people that just like kind of suck. Well, welfare queens is way higher with them.

[George Santos]

You're felling welfare queens over like they pop 10. Like dude, I grew up, okay, so I, I'm from Queens in New York City. Place called Jackson Heights.

[Chris Carr]

Oh yeah.

[George Santos]

Known as Little India, but also the other side of it. So there's Roseville Avenue, one side's Indian. The Other side's like a little Mexico and then there's like a little enclave of Colombians. I don't know why I grew up there. But anyway, the point that I'm trying to make is if you go, if you go there right now, like I would love to bring any one of you guys, like, let's go stroll Up

[Chris Carr]

Roseville Avenue, St. John's I know all of that.

[George Santos]

So, so you know what I'm talking about, dude. No joke. First of all, you will see these. It's the same. I'm not going to make any, any ethnic distinctions here of, of discrimination, but it's the same bio type of woman. She will be pregnant with a double stroller and like three or four kids around, like all within a year apart from each other. I'm not kidding. This is a standard Saturday afternoon in Jackson Heights. Where do you think the money comes to pay for them? Us? It's our hard earned tax dollars to Uncle Sam. And then based on New York City and New York state programs, it's 300 bucks for kid, for food stamps and then another $250 of cash assistant per child.

[Steve Friend]

Yeah.

[Chris Carr]

And Right.

[George Santos]

And then they get rental assistance.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah.

[George Santos]

And they get full blown health care because that's the Clinton bill from when she was in the Senate. It's just so much giving that you eventually stop and think like, wait, this family costs the American taxpayer dollars about 40 to 60k a month.

[Chris Carr]

And you crunch the numbers. You crunch the numbers.

[George Santos]

What?

[Chris Carr]

Our population is declining as Americans. We're not having enough kids. That's just true. And then they're coming here. Do the math. That's a replacement. That's occurring. This is why the White House came out, the State Department came out and said this is replacement migration. And so, you know, people would dismiss this and say, oh, that's a kooky conspiracy theory.

[George Santos]

Theory.

[Chris Carr]

That's London. President Trump. Look what's happening in London. Looks like happening in Paris. Look what's happening in Toronto. Toronto is the most egregious case I've ever seen in my entire life. People are coming.

[George Santos]

That is worse than Toronto. It could be having been to both places recently.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, London, certainly more violent.

[George Santos]

No, no, not, it's not about violence. I'm talking about replacement migration.

[Chris Carr]

There's no Brits or Canadians in either city.

[George Santos]

I mean, believable. I will say the teeth alignment has gotten increasing incredibly better in London.

[Chris Carr]

Throw him a bone.

[George Santos]

I won't throw a bone. There are much better teeth going around in London right now. But holy crap, Like, I mean, dude, I don't know. I was in London recently and I struggled to find a proper. A proper Brit. Yeah. Like, everything was kind of like, you know, sweet and like coffee.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah. It's like, it's like Connor Tomlinson, a few MPs and that's it. That's it.

[George Santos]

Wild.

[Steve Friend]

And that, that was why the hard one, the hardest reasons that they had for getting support for the kinetic operation. Definitely not a war. How dare you call me a stewardess. I'm a flight progress coordinator in Iran. Because the UK had to worry about their own security if they were going to go in and support the American initiative on that. I mean, they would have their few years down the road ahead of where we're looking and they have to worry about their own security when it comes in going, dealing with international affairs.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, J.D. vance was talking about this. He was talking about this. I think it was at natcon where he was saying like, we can't even depend on the UK as an ally long term. Not because we don't trust the British people, but because the British people might be gone. So it's like, how do you build an alliance with a people that are getting replaced where it could be an entirely different country in 30, 40 years? It's a very salient point. But to Steel man, the other side, the same thing's happening in the United States. Like I agree, J.D. vance, but also the same thing's happening here. Now granted, Trump has take the boot off our neck and we're making progress, but. But still we have the same problem. The entire Western hemisphere, or, sorry, the entire Western civilization is having the same problem, which is this country that we know and we can look around and observe is going away. It's leaving, it's not going to come back either. You can't resurrect that. So you have to stop it now and reverse the replacement migration.

[Scott Pressler]

So what I'm hearing is if our goal is reverse migration, then and almost having no net migration coming in the country, we need to a make it toxic and restrictive of the migrants that we choose to bring into the country. And just I have to note this. Senator John Cornyn shared a welcome to the Indian Century Talking about how 70% of our H1B visas are coming from India. And here's the most damning part of the article. It was talking about how India is so young compared to China. The that the Indian youth make up such a. They have huge unemployment and so therefore America has.

[George Santos]

We know they're very you know what active.

[Scott Pressler]

But number two is, guys use the Florida model. When everybody else was shutting everything down, what did Florida do? It became the free state. It became the open state. We need to incentivize American families having American babies, make migration restrictive. And all these problems that we're talking about we can solve over time. Use the carrot. We have to use the stick when we have to.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, I mean, because every.

[George Santos]

Yeah.

[Chris Carr]

And it's like every. No matter what your issue is in politics, whether it's, you know, foreign policy, whether it's abortion, whether whatever, you name it, these are all downstream from immigration. Because again, immigration is what determines the demographics. And as we're finding out again, with further every election cycle that comes along that elections are becoming more of a census. And so while it is true that you're seeing shifts among, like Hispanics in particular, again, immigrants, by and large still vote Democrats. So as you increase and so do the second generation, this just continues. And that is changing. And that's a good thing. But again, we can't, like, make policy based off of, like, what we think might happen. Like, we have to act on the ground. Like, what's happening? What's the reality on the ground right now. So my point is, with immigration, with replacement migration, as this continues, Republicans will be more politically unviable in national elections. And that's just the reality of the situation. So it's like, this is why I made the initial point. Whatever your issue is, and however valid it is, maybe it even takes precedent above immigration, your level in your life. Again, if the composition of the country changes, if it ceases to be American, then you're not going to be able to get those politicians in office who will be able to enact those policies. It'll be impossible. It'll be a Democrat rule. This is case in point why they're so desperate for amnesty, because they know that ensures Democrat rule in states like California, in states like New York, even states like New Jersey, they know. They know all these people are sitting there waiting, reading, and as soon as they get their citizenship, federal elections, they're in, they can go vote. It's game over.

[Steve Friend]

If you reorient to what the actual social compact says, and it's a very finite amount of responsibilities that the American people have their demand and expect from their government. Where we gave up, agreed to give some of our liberties a limited amount in order. So we had protection of the borders, ensuring our sovereignty. Coin some money, but don't, you know, be printing it out of thin air to the point where the dollars in my bank account are worthless. US sign some treaties and protection against fraud and force and that's about it. Yeah, if you're focusing on that as your prime directive, then that is going to result in a stronger currency. Your inflation will not be exorbitant. It'll result in sovereignty at our borders. And we're not going to have 30, 40, 50 million illegal aliens flooding across. They're going to be pushing people out of the workplace, pushing people out of a housing market, pushing people out of their communities because they're not going to be able to accommodate the amount of parking spots or, or sewage that's going through or the schools or the hospitals. If you had an actual government that was focused on the very finite amount of responsibilities that are actually documented in the pesky dusty documents as opposed to what they think is in the invisible ink on the back of the Declaration of Independence in the good and plenty clause as they are asserting to us, then you would actually have, yeah, objectively good operational.

[Chris Carr]

This is why Ann Coulter said on my show, she said everything in your life becomes easier with mass depth importations because of every reason you cited. Jobs, housing, even little things where they occupy infrastructure that they shouldn't be here and they're taking up sewage. Like these are very, these are things that directly impact you on a daily basis. And these things can be solved again with if we just had a serious. We don't even need to be like, you know that people have these descriptions of what they want. I'm like, we just have a serious deportation process which Trump administration has made good, good strides in. But we just need a serious deportation effort and these things will solve themselves. It's not complicated. Complicated.

[George Santos]

I totally not complicated. You know who makes it complicated? The 435 idiots in the lower chamber and 100 idiots in the higher chamber of Congress. That's over complicating the immigration issue is an elect. It's an election stump, right? So let's just pretend we solve immigration. What are Democrats going to campaign about? What are Republicans going to fear monger about? That's just point blank. Why like you can't fix it because then Democrats won't have anything to complain about and say Republicans are stealing and Republicans won't be like they're going to open the spigot. It takes away election fodder and rhetoric. So like everything in D.C. it's not fixed because politicians need it for their political stump speeches, for their reelection speeches and campaigns. That's the problem.

[Steve Friend]

Promising to do something not actually.

[Chris Carr]

Look how mad the pro life lobby got at Trump because. Because they overturned Roe v. Wade. Now they have a lot of trouble fundraising. And then these people bring the claws out for him. And I'm like, so you had, like, undying loyalty to, like, George Bush, who didn't really make any progress at all on the abortion issue. President Trump, who. He put it on the, like, the back burner. This is like, when you think about President Trump, you don't think of him as a pro life firebrand, and he casually is like, oh, yeah, by the way, I'll overturn Roe v. Wade. And then it happened, and they were furious because they lost the one thing that they could fundraise on, which was big baby, man.

[Steve Friend]

Big baby. That's a whole big baby.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah. And it's like. And I'm pro life, by the way. So I'm like, hey, maybe we should show a little respect to the guy that actually, like, delivered you the biggest victory in your lifetime. But no, it's like, oh, he took away my fundraising.

[George Santos]

That's the whole thing with D.C. everything's about money. I've said this before in so many different formats. I think we've had these conversations too, in our drives, Chris, and it's all about money.

[Tate]

Well, yeah. I mean, that's the same reason why California has a permanent homeless crisis is because of the money. I mean, it's.

[George Santos]

Karen Bass wants to teach them, though. Huh? Karen. Karen Bass wants to put teeth in their mouths now. Because meth is not the problem.

[Tate]

Somebody's got priorities in that crazy space. Wonderful.

[George Santos]

I don't know, man. Look, I think. I think it's. It's just. The big takeaway from today is simple. Don't cross the president because he's still the king of the party. And it's. It's dumb. It's. It's. It's gonna cost you your election. And I think another takeaway is, no seat is safe.

[Chris Carr]

No seat is safe. Twerking is a viable political strategy.

[George Santos]

Oh, that. Twerking is about political strategy.

[Tate]

That's a very promising young woman running in Michigan.

[George Santos]

Shelby. Shelby.

[Chris Carr]

Whatever Massey could have made be taking a page down a little differently.

[George Santos]

I would literally throw bleach on my eyes if Massey started talking. You remember what Trump talking about? Injecting it? I drink it. Oh, my God. All over my face.

[Chris Carr]

What do you think? Sassy for Mass. You look like Vibe.

[George Santos]

Sassy Massey. Sassy Massey. That's funny. Well, look, I. I gotta say, this has been loads of fun. Some people in the Chat might disagree. Can't please them all. I've been called the fat hobbit.

[Chris Carr]

That means you're over the target. That means you're over the target. It.

[George Santos]

By the way, some dude literally said the fat hobbit speaks again. I'm like, what am I supposed to sit here silent? But anyway, Chris, where can everybody find you? And. And you know, follow all means Chris.

[Tate]

Car 17 on X. You can also join my substack. It's Chris carr.substack.com that's car with a K, K A R R where I write about interesting people in film.

[Steve Friend]

Steve at real Steve Friend available on X and also the American Radicals podcast. You can see that on YouTube, Rumble, Spotify and at Amrad Pod.

[Scott Pressler]

Thank you, Scott Pressler, the founder ofearlyvoteaction.com. you can get my book that is coming out on June 9, the persistence. And just notice Donald J. Trump in the Oval Office. It's on Amazon. And I'm happy to break news that I have received so far 3900 votes and I will be an elected official.

[George Santos]

Good job. There you go.

[Scott Pressler]

Of Pennsylvania, how does it feel to win an election? I am very grateful.

[George Santos]

Yeah, there you go. I know. I remember the feeling. I hope there's no scandals for you.

[Chris Carr]

Patriots are in control.

[George Santos]

Let's go.

[Chris Carr]

Follow me on X and Instagram at Realtape Brown. Come give me a follow and I'll be back here on Rumble Live at noon hosting Tim's daily news live show. So join me there.

[George Santos]

Carter, you can follow me everywhere at Carter Banks and follow our record label at Trash house Records on YouTube. It's been a lot of fun. Let's get into the after show. Where can everyone follow you? George. George Santos at George Santos on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube. It's always a great pleasure being with you guys and if you've stuck around till now, you're not going to want to miss this after show. We will see you soon. Thank you.