Trans Shooter Targets Catholic Kids In Mass Shooting, Leftists Reject Prayers w/ Steve Turley

Summary

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Timcast IRL — “Trans Shooter Targets Catholic Kids In Mass Shooting, Leftists Reject Prayers”

Date: August 28, 2025
Host: Jack Posobiec (filling in for Tim Pool)
Panel: Dr. Steve Turley (guest), Libby Emmons, Brett Dasavic, Phil Labonte
Episode Theme:
A deep-dive into the tragic Minneapolis mass shooting at a Catholic school, where a transgender shooter targeted and killed children. The discussion explores the cultural and political ramifications, media narratives, responses from officials and activists, and the broader issues of violence, faith, and social decay.

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode examines in detail the Minneapolis Catholic school shooting, carried out by a transgender individual, during the first mass of the school year. The panel analyzes the shooter’s motivations, the ideological and cultural context behind the attack, and the mainstream and political reactions. Special focus is given to the trend of violence against religious communities, the weaponization of identity politics, the mental health crisis, and the shifting response to faith and prayer in America.

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KEY SECTIONS & DISCUSSION POINTS

1. Introduction & Episode Context

[00:28 – 01:27]

• Jack Posobiec introduces himself, giving an update on Tim Pool's health.
• Outlines the focus on the "Minneapolis massacre," its domination of the news cycle, and the urgency of its discussion.

Quote

“Unfortunately, it’s one of those nights where, you know, I wish that we had something, anything else to talk about than this story … another transgender shooter targeting a Christian school, in this case a Catholic school …” — Jack Posobiec [02:33]

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2. Shooter and Event Breakdown

[08:22 – 13:52]

• Libby Emmons summarizes the attack: Shooter, whose mother worked at the school, fired into the church during mass, killing two students and injuring 14, before committing suicide.
• Weapons: Pistol, shotgun, and semi-automatic rifle — with barrels inscribed “Kill Trump.”
• Manifesto & Writings: Bizarre, hate-filled writings with anti-Jewish, anti-Trump, pro-Gaza themes, some in phonetically-transliterated Cyrillic, reminiscent of prior shooters' "manifestos."
• Planning: The shooter meticulously planned, detailing vantage points and methods of maximizing casualties.

Quotes

“There was actually a fifth grader who dove under the pews and said his friend Victor covered him under the pews … and Victor got shot in the back.” — Libby Emmons [09:33]
“It is a miracle that more were not killed because of the way this was planned.” — Jack Posobiec [13:52]

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3. Patterns, Motives & Manifesto Analysis

[13:55 – 30:34]

• Emergence of similar attacks: Parallel drawn to the Nashville school shooting and growing trend of attacks on Christian schools by individuals citing ideological grievances.
• The banality of evil: Dr. Turley invokes Viktor Frankl and Hannah Arendt; observes how violence is planned and executed “matter-of-factly” (14:15).
• Manifesto Excerpts: Nihilistic, suicidal statements and logic of "if I can't be at peace, no one can."
• Anger at God: Panel suggests that shooters “attack God’s children” out of resentment at their own perceived brokenness.

Quotes

“The left appears to have lost the ability to discuss and to deliberate and to debate. What Wokeness basically does is it designates certain things as so sacred … that any dissent from them is considered to be heresy. And what do you do with heretics? You excommunicate them. What’s the ultimate form? You burn them.” — Dr. Steve Turley [15:40]
“I want to escape from this world. ... I want to fulfill a final act that is the back of my head for years.” — Manifesto excerpt (read by Jack Posobiec) [27:01]
“If I am going to leave this world because I hate it so much, then my murder will be the murder of the world itself.” — Dr. Steve Turley, referencing G.K. Chesterton [30:16]

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4. Public Reaction & Politicization

[40:17 – 53:27]

• Mayor Jacob Fry’s Comments: Panel is enraged at Minneapolis Mayor’s immediate pivot from acknowledging prayer to dismissing “thoughts and prayers,” and pushing for gun control, which they interpret as mockery of the faith community.
• Accusations of Anti-Christian bias: Panel claims secular and progressive political leaders attack Christianity and prayers, while refusing to fully condemn the shooter’s identity-aligned motivations.
• Political Double Standards: Violence from leftist or identity groups is minimized or excused, while violence from the right is generalized and systematized by media and politicians.

Quotes

“Don’t just say this is about thoughts and prayers right now. These kids were literally praying ..." — Recount of Mayor Fry's statement [41:54]
“This is a guy who hates Christians … it’s always the Christian God that gets the targeting.” — Jack Posobiec [42:45]

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5. Identity Politics & Cultural Analysis

[54:05 – 60:39]

• Discussion: Progressive leadership’s allegiance to identity politics conflicts with popular sentiment; focus on trans issues despite backlash.
• Cultural division: Panel reflects on the left’s contempt for “Trump voters,” “middle America,” and “white Christians,” suggesting a broader culture war.
• Population & Ideological Shifts: Discussion of demographic changes, the role of religion in resilience, and predictions of a right-ward shift due to higher birth rates among the religious.

Quotes

“Democrats do hate America. They hate the American people … They say these people are uneducated and they’re stupid and racist and homophobic.” — Libby Emmons [55:10]
“Religious conservatism is the number one indicator for reproductive trends…” — Dr. Steve Turley [59:19]

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6. On Morality, God, and Social Order

[31:19 – 33:04, 112:00 – 114:01]

• The Necessity of God for Morality: Debate ensues about whether moral order can be sustained without God. Panel agrees secular morality breaks down at scale, leading to nihilism and social collapse (citing Nietzsche and genocide in the 20th century).
• The Dangers of Secularism: In the absence of faith, people create substitute idolatries, often with destructive results.

Quotes

“There is no morality without God … Otherwise, you end up with some sort of freakish utilitarianism where everyone is just … pushing for the most happiness.” — Libby Emmons [31:19]
“Godlessness does not work at scale … when you kill God, people will try to fill that void with anything and it will lead to the destruction of society.” — Jack Posobiec [112:46]

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7. Gun Control, SSRIs, and Mental Health

[73:49 – 96:18]

• Mental Illness, Medication & Violence: The hosts link psychiatric drugs (SSRIs), cross-sex hormones, and rising youth mental illness to mass shootings.
• Gun Laws & Rights: Argue the futility and risk of further restricting gun rights; SCOTUS, state policies, and mass gun ownership form a bulwark against confiscation.
• Institutional failure: Critique decline of asylums, shift to pharmaceutical management, and failure of the system to prevent dangerous individuals from acting.

Quotes

“We can't be a country that has both of these things: mass medication, mass psychological and psychiatric medication that so many people are on...” — Jack Posobiec [84:04]
“If you were a lunatic, you got thrown in the asylum … now, we hand them a prescription and put them back into gen pop.” — Jack Posobiec [84:44]

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8. Solutions: Faith, Family, Security

[75:15 – 120:11]

• Spiritual Renewal: Panel advocates for spiritual (specifically Christian) renewal as root solution for the “void” and moral decay fueling violence.
• Practical Security: Calls for private Christian schools to hire armed, trained security; discusses the need for self-defense and responsible gun ownership.
• Civic & Political Engagement: Encourages religious conservatives to continue expanding their influence through family, faith, and community resilience.

Quotes

“Maslow’s hierarchy of needs … safety and security is second only to food, air, and water.” — Dr. Steve Turley [75:15]
“If you want to be effective with your firearm, that part is perishable … you have to train.” — Jack Posobiec [105:45]

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9. Media, Censorship & Narrative Control

[117:03 – 117:57]

• Obfuscation and Narrative Shaping: The panel laments that mainstream media minimizes or hides ideological motives in mass shootings unless it fits certain narratives.
• Call for Independent Journalism: Encourages alternative media, like The Post Millennial, to track and publicize these incidents.

Quotes

“Media’s best tool to lie to you is obfuscation … they put the most important information in the last paragraph, and everything gets buried in two days.” — Brett Dasavic [117:03]

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MEMORABLE MOMENTS / NOTABLE QUOTES

• On the psychology of violence:

  “What makes suicide so horrible is you do not murder a man. You murder all men.” — G.K. Chesterton, cited by Dr. Steve Turley [30:04]

• On cultural inversion:

  “The inversion of the societal order requires an inversion of the moral order.” — Jack Posobiec [35:54]

• On the progressive critique of prayer:

  “There are children’s bodies with the blood wet, the church has yet to be cleaned of the blood of children … mocking and rebuking, this is a guy who hates Christians.” — Jack Posobiec [42:27]

• On the future of the right:

  “By 2030, the culture wars will shift dramatically to the right.” — Dr. Steve Turley [60:22]

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TIMESTAMPS FOR KEY SEGMENTS

• [08:22–13:52]: Details & breakdown of the Minneapolis shooting
• [13:55–30:34]: Analysis of motives, “manifesto,” cultural trends
• [40:17–53:27]: Discussion of Mayor Fry's response, prayer, and public narrative
• [54:05–60:39]: The left's ideology, demographic shifts, faith, and family
• [73:49–96:18]: Guns, mental health, psych meds, and security policy
• [117:03–117:57]: Media coverage and censorship of trans shooters

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CLOSING NOTES & PANEL PLUGS

• Dr. Steve Turley discusses his book: America Awakened: The Collapse of Globalism and the Return to Faith, Family, and Freedom [117:56]
• Each panelist shares their social/media links and expressed hope for a spiritual and cultural renewal, with practical advice for religious and civic resilience.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
This was a candid, sometimes raw examination of a tragic school shooting. The hosts connected the personal horror to wider political, cultural, and spiritual conflict, asserting a crisis of faith and meaning in America. The show offers a window into the mindset and analyses of culture war conservatives, with strong calls for religious renewal, civic courage, and vigilance in the face of what they see as growing hostility to faith and the traditional family.

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Transcript

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Cancel contact T Mobile phone Sam Foreign folks, here we are. Jack Posobic, once again in for the great Tim Pool. Did actually get a chance to see Tim earlier today and spent a little bit of time with him. He's still working through the throat issues, but he's doing better.

[Phil Labonte]

Told you. He's not in the basement.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's on the Met. No, he's not. He's not in the basement. And he was, he was on the board. I can confirm that he was on the board today and he was working through that. So who knows, we might, might see him pop in here and there. The issue, though, is that if he pushes it too hard, he's going to be out again. And so that is why he's on the men right now. And we're, we're absolutely, you know, we can't, we, none of us can wait until Tim comes back. And the one thing that he did tell me to share with everybody, he said, wow, there's, you know, there's so much news, there's so topics out there that it's killing him to not be working right now because he's got so much that he wants to, to say and so much that he wants to share with everybody. So that's, that's kind of his message. But he's doing well. We wish him well. And yeah, we got another episode of the Poso cast here tonight and unfortunately, it's one of those nights where, you know, I wish that we had something, anything else to talk about then the story, of course, we're going to be getting into the Minneapolis massacre this evening, and it's horrific, it's disgusting. We're going to talk about, there might be a couple of other pieces of stories that we get into, but honestly, I think this shows it's dominated everything. And we're going to talk about the individual that has been id'd in this situation again, another transgender shooter targeting a Christian School, in this case a Catholic school on the very first, first mass of the school year. So we're going to get into all of that in just a little bit. Before we do, I want to tell you though, of course that this show is brought to you by tonight. Cast Brew Coffee. So make sure you're going out there, you're supporting it. Look, it keeps the lights on. It keeps everything going on here. Helps the guest come in and it's good coffee too. Look, I've been drying this stuff. I, it's, it. I mean it keeps you up. It keeps you absolutely up. And so I'm not, I'm not saying that I'm running at the speed of Tim Pool while I'm out here, but, but at the same time it's absolutely something that once you get it in your gullet, it is going to get you going. So check it out. Go to castbrew.com they have great new flavors. There's all sorts of things you get out there. Plus by the way, it's a good gift. So you know, if you got somebody who wants coffee, who doesn't like coffee, you go for it. Another update that I wanted to give an update on Psycho Stew. We talked about this last night. I believe it was around $112,000. His GoFundMe. It is now up to 160. It's just about to break 165,000. This, this pro wrestler who suffered a horrific attack. And Phil, actually I think you had a medical update on Psychos too.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, he's awake. I saw on X today. He's awake. He's got people around him, talking to him and stuff. So it looks like he's going to make a full recovery. I mean obviously with tba, with tbi, it's tough to say what kind of long term effects it's going to have, but it does look like he's going to be, you know, back up and around fairly, in fairly short order.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's hard video to watch. Yeah, it's, it is. And I meant to mention this last night, but we saw that Chris Jericho had, had thrown some money in so. That's great. Jericho, you know, he always gets involved with stuff like that. Great guy. So really appreciate to see that. Another great guy though by the way is our guest. I'm told that it is his first Tim cast, even though tonight is post cast. But you and I know each other folks. It's the great Dr. Steve Turley.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Hey guys, great to be with you. It's an honor.

[Jack Posobiec]

Tell us A little about yourself and what you do.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Well, we were actually just talking about this before went live, but this is kind of full circle for me, which is interesting because I was in academia for 20 years and it was right at the height of the first Trump campaign. And I didn't think conservative commentators really understood Trump. They thought he was like a Democrat in sheep's clothing and all that. He sounded more like Bernie Sanders when he was talking about economics and so on. But I had studied nationalist populism and particularly the way it was exploding in Europe, and they focused on three things, border security, economic security and cultural security. And all of a sudden when I heard Trump speak, I said, oh my, it's come to our shores. So I was like, I looked at a colleague of mine who's into marketing. I said, you know, I really, I'm getting frustrated listening to these talk radio guys kind of going the more neocon ideological analysis of Trump, not quite understanding that this is a new paradigm nationalist populism. And what should I do? How can I, how can I get that out there? And he said, well, why don't you start a YouTube channel? And I'm like, I don't even know how to load a video at this point and I don't even know what to do. And he said, well, here, let me share with you a couple of channels that are doing something like that, that are commentating and teaching through YouTube. And he sent me two. And I know, I think you guys have had Sticks Hexenhammer on here.

[Jack Posobiec]

Stix, he's a great guy.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

He sent me sticks back in 2016 and then he sent me this guy, Tim Pool. And this is when IR. This is 2016. I think IRL was really young, maybe 300,000.

[Jack Posobiec]

It wasn't even IRL.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

It wasn't even IRL yet. There you go. It was just Tim Cass giving the commentary. And I said, oh, I can do that. This is the coolest thing in the world. So I started doing it in November of 2016. Trump wins. I kept going with it and here we are. I finally retired from academia and I'm a full time broadcaster very much thanks to this, this, what's happened here. So this is, this is really cool for me. It's. It's a very exciting thing to kind of go full circle here.

[Brett Dasavic]

I think I remember the video where you actually left, like for the last day at work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that video. I remember. How long ago was that?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Oh, man. When was that? Yeah, like 2021, 2022. Something like that. Yeah. I can't even remember now. It all blends together just a few years ago, but it's been, it's been an amazing ride and it's than guys really appreciate it.

[Brett Dasavic]

Amazing.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right. In addition, we've got. Libby Emmons is here. Hi, Jack.

[Libby Emmons]

Hi, everybody. I'm Libby Emmons. I'm glad to be here tonight. I'm with the Post Millennial and Human Events dot com.

[Jack Posobiec]

There we go. Brett.

[Brett Dasavic]

What's going on, guys? Brett, Normally, pop culture crisis, Monday through Friday, 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time. Let's talk politics, though.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right. And of course, Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right. And so, you know, anti communist is certainly something that comes up tonight. A horrific situation where. And actually for this story, the Minneapolis massacre, let's go over because we've got the Post Millennial, but we also have the editor in chief of the Post Millennial with us. Libby, can you give us the sort of update on. Not the update, but just a rundown. If someone's living under a rock, they have no idea what happened in Minneapolis. Or walk us through the story as you have it now.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, this is something that we were tracking all day in the newsroom at the Post Millennial, myself, Hannah Nightingale and Roberto Wakerill Cruz, and they did the bulk of the writing on this. And by the end of the day, I was like, go get some air, guys. Because it's brutal. Just from being in a newsroom covering this kind of stuff, covering like massacres of children. So what we had in Minneapolis was a man whose mom used to work at the school who identifies as transgender, 20, came up to, came to the school. It was the first week of classes at Annunciation and all of the kids were at Mass. He had three weapons with him, a pistol, a shotgun, and something else. I don't remember what it was. Some of these weapons were emblazoned a.

[Jack Posobiec]

Pistol shotgun and a semi automatic rifle.

[Libby Emmons]

And a semi automatic rifle. And the barrels of the guns, one of them said kill Trump on it.

[Phil Labonte]

Very reminiscent of the Christchurch shooter.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, very like, like a lot of.

[Jack Posobiec]

We've seen a lot of. Right on the.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Messages came up to the windows outside the school. Started shoot outside the, the stain glass windows. The church. Yeah, the stained glass windows. It looks like maybe some of the doors were barricaded on the side that he was shooting into. He shot through the Stained glass windows, shot, killed two students, injured 14 students. There was actually a fifth grader who dove under the pews and said that his friend Victor covered him under the, under the pews. Yeah. And protected him. And Victor got shot in the back and was taken to the hospital and the shooter killed himself inside the church. And yeah, now there's 14 injured children. Two families have lost their children and some injured adults as well.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I think, I think I did see, you know, I've been tracking all the updates, CNN and everyone and post millennial updates and of course, daily Mail and, and I believe that they did say, though, that the, they believe that the injured students that are in the hospital as of right now are expected to recover. So they're not expect. So they're, you know, they, we were hearing people that were on, you know, that were, that were critical and it seems as though they're not anymore. So that's, that's, that's a real blessing. Thank God. Absolutely.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Thank God is right now.

[Jack Posobiec]

And, and so the shooter, Libby, walk us through the, the very strange, very bizarre case, but unfortunately now becoming almost a trend of this Robert, AKA Robin Westman.

[Libby Emmons]

So we had, wait one second here. Sorry about that.

[Jack Posobiec]

You had what?

[Libby Emmons]

Okay. Sorry about that. No, I was just, I was talking to one of our writers who was working on something and we were debating whether or not. But the idea was a former student of the school. There's some back and forth.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, it looks like, it looks like.

[Libby Emmons]

The mother was, had worked at the school. So this guy, as soon as it was revealed what his name was, which came on to social media before it came up in any of the news outlets, Robin Westman. It turns out that he had gender transitioned. He had like a changed his name. His mother had signed off on that. So he had so supportive parents who were helpful, apparently, in his gender transition. He had a lot of really wild writings. We were talking about this earlier, a lot of anti Jewish stuff, pro Gaza stuff, and some writing that was really hard to decipher.

[Jack Posobiec]

It was like an anti Trump.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Anti Trump stuff. And a lot of it was, we were looking at it and it sort of looked like it was in Russian, but it was sort of phonetically using the Cyrillic Alphabet.

[Jack Posobiec]

It was using the Russian Alphabet. The Cyrillic Alphabet, but it was English for the most part. So if, so if you know. Yeah. So if you know the Russian Alphabet, which is kind of just based on Greek. Anyway, if you know the Greek letters, you can. I, I was trying to muddle my way through it earlier today. And then someone used AI and it just.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Right. Why do we do it ourselves anyway?

[Jack Posobiec]

Right. Well, you, you got to, you got to challenge yourself. But, you know, very horrifying manifesto because what you would see in this thing and, and maybe we'll, maybe we'll check out some portions of it because.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, we got it.

[Jack Posobiec]

You see, what you see is someone who is talking about very matter of factly how he plans to kill the children and is discussing, it's almost a journal where he's like talking to himself quite a bit, where he's discussing when is the best time to target the children. Would it be when they're on the playground? What's a good vantage point? Would it be when they're going into the gym? But it's tough because apparently the gym is in the basement. So that would be hard to get there with this arsenal of weapons, which, you know, obviously, so you can't really conceal a semiautomatic rifle. And, and then eventually we know, obviously chooses this mass. And I believe they were still entering into mass. And so it was this site. So you can see the direct connection between the manifesto, the pre planning and the actual event itself. Because the idea was to target the children as they were moving. The school is in one building and the church is in another. So the idea was to target the children as they were walking in to the church. And it's, it's, it is a miracle that that more were not killed.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because. Because of the way this was planned.

[Libby Emmons]

It sort of reminiscent of the Nashville shooting.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's very reminiscent.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so there are two, two martyrs now in, in while they're in heaven. But this took place in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Let's, let's go. I want to get Dr. Turley's take on this. You know, why, why are we seeing this trend?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

I'm just writing, I put a phrase down, the banality of evil. And I recall that was Viktor Frankl's phrase who suffered through the Holocaust. And just the way I looked at some of those videos of him planning this attack. And I just. That's the motto that I heard. It's just the pure banality of what he's doing. It's just so matter of fact. And it reminded me of the Rutgers study that was published. Oh, what? Back in May. They called it assassination. Coulter, did you catch this? I did see this, yeah. So there was a Rutgers study that asked the question, do you think it is justifiable to assassinate President Trump? And there were two stunning numbers. The first one was the amount of people who said yes, it was about a third of those who said yes. But what was even more stunning was that a majority of self identified Democrats, 55% said that it was at least somewhat justified to assassinate President Trump. He's in good company. 60% of self identified leftists believed vandalizing and destroying Teslas was justifiable. And what we were seeing here and what shocked the scholars of this study is they were calling it assassination culture. And what it seems to be is the left appears to have lost the ability to discuss and to deliberate and to debate. What Wokeness basically does is it designates certain things as so sacred, certain identities as so sacred that any dissent from them is considered to be heresy. And what do you do with heretics? You excommunicate them. Right. And what's the ultimate form of excommunication? Right, you burn them. Exactly. And so there just seems to be this, this virus, this infestation of excommunication. I mean even Bill Mars brought it up. What are we going to do? We can't. This is when Biden was president, you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Know, what do we do?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

You can't, you can't, you know, make half the country disappear. You got to learn to get along with your MAGA uncle. You're going to have to.

[Brett Dasavic]

They don't, they don't.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

That's the thing.

[Brett Dasavic]

They've taken to excommunicating their own family members. And that was, that was the, that was, I think the earliest sign for a lot of people was that if you can't leave it at the dinner table and move on with your life with the people that you have the closest racist relationship to, you can't expect them to hold that with people who believe something different that have no connection to them whatsoever.

[Libby Emmons]

Was this very crazy thing in July there was a, an article out from the New York Intelligencer saying it's okay to go no contact with your MAGA relatives. That was in July 2025. They've been saying the same thing since like 2016, 2017. And in the same time, also in July, same week, was an article from the New York Times, an opinion essay saying is it time to stop snubb your right wing family? And so they're still debating this. Right. And the crazy thing about the is it time to stop snubbing your right wing family? One, the guy who wrote it was talking about how he got into surfing and the only person he knew who was into surfing was his MAGA brother in law. So he had to like, you know, descend and lower himself to go talk to his brother in law because that was the only guy who knew who was surfing. And the brother in law was like, sure, dude, I'll go surfing you, no big deal. Like, that's cool.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, this, this kind of stuff, we can laugh about it and we all, we all laugh about, you know, I've cracked more than my share of jokes about antifa or others, but at the same time, these are the individuals who are so sick and twisted and depraved that they are far more willing to pick up a firearm and walk into one of these situations. A school. Yes, A school with, with, with little kids and, and, and start opening fire. And so they're absolutely deadly dangerous and it's absolutely deadly serious. And so, you know, we were, as this story was breaking, you know, I didn't even, I didn't, I didn't even mention it to my wife. I didn't even mention it to Tanya Tay. Because, you know, this, as we were finding out about this, our kids are in a Catholic school and we're, you know, they, you know, we didn't have a school mass this week, but I'm sure we're, I think we have one coming up. That's going to be the first one. And the school actually sent out a very nice letter. Obviously I'm not going to be naming.

[Libby Emmons]

It, but, oh, I wanted to get in my car and run over and pick up my son.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's close to home. You know, it hits really close to home. And by the way, for any parent, right? For any parent. But you know, it, it really is religious schools and particularly Christian schools that are targeted again and again and again. And I tweeted something earlier about this and the, the reason that I believe it is is because at the end of the day, these people, these, these lunatics believe that God created them wrong. So they hate God for creating them. They realize that they can't attack God directly. They can't do anything to God directly. So what do you do? You attack his children. You attack the chill. You attack, you find the thing that's going to hurt him the most by going after that which is most precious to him. There's the children of God.

[Phil Labonte]

There's a lot of substance to that argument. The idea that they're going in their.

[Jack Posobiec]

Mind, obviously, whatever, Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, whatever kind of twisted way they had, they approach the world. But it's beyond just attacking God for making them wrong. It's attacking God for the crime of making the world imperfect. You know, the left really Believes that you can perfect the world, that you can perfect humanity, that if you just make enough changes, just do enough things or whatever it is the topic of the day or the topic that's most important on their mind. They believe that you can perfect humanity. That's why the farthest left believe in communism. They believe that they can perfect society. And so they want, when they see the imperfections, they want to lash out at God and all of existence for the crime of being imperfect.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. But it's human beings that brought, you know, imperfection and evil into the world. Right. I mean, we're the ones that ate that apple and got kicked out of Eden.

[Brett Dasavic]

But for a lot of these younger, like the, the shooters of today, what is happening now is we've got decades of the media pushing back and saying that Christianity is evil. We've got decades of the media. The other big thing with these stories is like, look, leftist violence is largely ignored in all, in all sentiments. If you were to ask the average person where, condone. If you would ask the average person, like, where does the majority of what they call domestic terrorism and violence coming from? They're going to tell you it's coming from the right. None of all of these stories end up. Yes, all of these stories end up getting buried to page three after enough, you know, in just due course. It's not going to take much time for that to happen. And what you do is you prime people who are. Look, I was just reading a thread yesterday. I don't remember who posted it. It might have been Josie. But somebody said like, isn't it interesting how after serial killers became media fascination in the, in the 70s and 80s, it immediately gave way to school shoot. The 90s. And this was yesterday before that happened. And now that's kind of grown from what was serial killers as a matter of public fascination. School shooters in the 90s, it felt like it was about despair and a, like a, like a, a lack of motivation for life or a lack of home life. Right. It was about your parents getting divorced and antidepressants. And that's just given way to another thing today which is just further, which is identity.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sure.

[Libby Emmons]

But now with the, with the trans shooter and the, you know, which we've seen a number of trans shooters at this point, you have politicians wearing shirts that have like a knife on it and a rose or, or semiautomatic guns saying protect trans kids.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's the lieutenant governor of the state.

[Libby Emmons]

Lieutenant governor of the state of, of Minnesota.

[Phil Labonte]

No such thing as trans. There's no such thing as trans kids.

[Libby Emmons]

The COVID The COVID of Eugene Weekly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Pull up that. That. Still boneless. I know. Posted it.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

This the T shirt that Libby's talking about. Just pull up. Still boneless. He's got it. And then. But then I want to go to the manifesto after this because we've got a few. Because we don't even need to speculate because this individual said in his own words all of the things that we're talking about. So just. Yeah. And that's part of the manifesto that's just extremely, totally demonic.

[Libby Emmons]

Disturbing.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, totally demonic.

[Libby Emmons]

He's being courted by demons.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Oh, there's a Cyrillic.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, this is actually in Russian. So help me, Yani Hachu. I don't want. This is one of the most spectacular venues with all kinds of character and hospitality scenery. These people in this get a task valley. They love when you come to see what they have to offer. I'm JJ Harris, Ellensburg Rodeo Clown, and.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

I want to invite you to the rodeo.

[Jack Posobiec]

Come hang out with us in Ellis Ellensburg. Great rodeo, great time.

[Brett Dasavic]

Two performances on Saturday. One is the extreme bulls of the year event.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do not miss The Ellensburg Rodeo, August.

[Brett Dasavic]

29Th through September 1st.

[Jack Posobiec]

We'll see you there. Bumbagi. Help. Probably can't say that on YouTube. When will this end? I'm not even going to try to say that. Cook, diet, something. Zakatistia. But no, there's. There's. Scroll down a little there. Here's this. Here it is. So this is the one that's Lieutenant.

[Phil Labonte]

Governor totally insane of Minnesota.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes, it is.

[Jack Posobiec]

Protect trans kids with a rose and a knife, which is, you know, it just seems to be.

[Libby Emmons]

And they act like if you're like the whole trans concept is just very sweet, aggressive. It's obviously incredibly aggressive.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Well, there is something to that. You know, cultural anthropologists have looked at that with. Where they interpret violence and hysteria as a form of possession. So it's not them. They're being possessed by literally evil spirits, demonic spirits. So when they commit crimes, if you're a protected identity, when you commit crimes, it's not your fault. It's the fault of the malignant spirits that are outside of your control. And in political correctness. What are those malignant spirits? Racism, bigotry, phobia, and on and on and on. And so if you're part of that group, if you're committing crimes supposedly in the name of the right or and so forth, well, then you are the demon. They don't let you off. They'll let one group off and say they're not doing it. They're being overwhelmed by satanic demonic forces. But when the right commits crimes, that is satanic force.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

So, so it is a double, it's a radical double standard where one is possessed where the other one. That's their nature, that's who they are.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, that's a tragedy. That is, it's so terrible that this good promising young student, you know, fell into this trap. You see that they use the same rhetoric for, for common criminals. Exactly, exactly. Not even in, in cases like this. Just, just. They use the same. Oh, it's, you know, it's socioeconomic factors.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Society made it, Society made cries for help.

[Phil Labonte]

It's always making a victim out of whoever's killing.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I want to.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Which means we're the criminals.

[Jack Posobiec]

Which means you're forgetting the actual, you know, you're missing the actual criminal and the actual victims. So I want to.

[Phil Labonte]

That's what the left does. They, they, they're literally an inversion of the truth all the time.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

You know.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Whether it be, you know, the, the glorification of things that are essentially evil or symbols of evil or the people that are actually on the attack are saying, well, I'm attacking because I'm actually being attacked. They make themselves. It's just an inversion.

[Jack Posobiec]

Whatever the truth is. Let's, let's. Because I, I was, I was, I was talking about this earlier with Libby is that, you know, I, when I see crazy, I want to poke it with a stick. So let's, let's delve into this manifesto a little bit.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

That's why I don't hang out with you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Exactly. So I think I'm going to skip around, but this part obviously is in English. I think I am dying of cancer. It is a tragic end. It is entirely self inflicted. I did this to myself as I cannot control myself and have been destroying my body through vaping and other means. And there was, there was a report that he used to work at a cannabis dispensary. I think I have lung cancer. I felt many pains that make me think I am past the point of recovery. I don't want to recover. I don't want to throw my life away by rotting in a hospital bed. I don't want the rest of my life to be as a cancer patient. So it's going down a little bit due to. So here it is. Due to my depression, anger and twisted mind. I want to fulfill a final act that is the back of my head for years and so now you're talking a little bit about apologizing to family. But. But look at this right here. Escape. I want to escape from this world. I want to escape from the constant bills, the. The crappy jobs, crappy people, and injustice of America. I am done with this. I will not bow. I will be selfish and leave you to pick up the p. It is my fault. Blame me. But please move on. I want to skip ahead to the other part here. I am a sad person, haunted by these things that do not go away. So there you go. Just like Dr. Charlie was talking about. They are haunted by these things. I am. I know this is wrong, but I can't seem to stop myself. I am severely depressed and have been suicidal for years. Only recently have I lost all hope and decided to perform my final action against this world. I don't want to kneel down for the injustices of this world. I want to die. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees, constantly in pain. And you. You. You hear this framed as if this is some kind of heroic act, as if this is some kind of striking back against injustice by. By murdering children. Why would somebody believe something like that?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I think that's absolutely insane that they would believe something like that. But this person is clearly deranged. Right. They hate themselves, they hate everybody else. And so they determined it completely nonsensically that they have to take children out. And children are also the embodiment of innocence. You know, it's people who have not. It's people who have not experienced the horrors of life or gone through intense difficulty. I mean, a lot of children do, but, you know, they don't look like it from the outside. And so you decide to just.

[Brett Dasavic]

But when you're that blinded by hatred and depression and nihilism, that doesn't even register to you. If anything, you feel anger towards somebody who hasn't been faced, you know, has. Has not had their life, faced with those troubles yet. Like, they don't feel a sense of guilt for what they're doing in that context. They feel anger that that person has. Hasn't had to go through what they have.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasavic]

Or in their mind, that they have.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

I'm thinking of a G.K. chesterton quote, the early 20th century essay, this, where he said, what makes suicide so horrible is you do not murder a man. You murder all men.

[Jack Posobiec]

Murder the whole world.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

You murder the whole world. And it just. I'm reading that, and that's what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that Kind of logic playing itself out. If I'm, if, if I'm going to, if I am going to leave this world because I hate it so much, then my murder will be, will be the murder of the world itself.

[Brett Dasavic]

Think about that. Like, we used to live in a world where the discussion of suicide was something that could actually be extremely nuanced, where if somebody's going through cancer treatments, they don't want to go through this on their own. There was a societal argument about whether that person should have to face that on their own. But we're so far past that now that we have governments that subsidize it, Right? Like we're long past the discussion about the sanctity of human life. And why wouldn't somebody feel nihilistic and depressed when the media is telling you that a certain side of the political aisle is evil? When a media is telling you that violence against them, maybe not in so many words, but you can only call somebody evil so many times before your co signing. The idea that violence against this person is a just act.

[Libby Emmons]

We also have a problem, which is that morality itself stems from God, and it stems from God's teachings. And there is no morality without God. You have to base it in God's teachings, or otherwise you end up with some sort of freakish utilitarianism where everyone is just, you know, pushing for the most happiness, and that doesn't work. And so what we have now is a culture that has abandoned God but thinks it still has morality. And in fact, morality is essentially at this point in American culture, a cultural lag. It is what is remaining. It is an echo of when we had a religious society. Now the idea that, you know, morality stems from God, I know, is a controversial one in our atheist culture, but it is actually true. There is no logical reason to be good to other people.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you believe that it's controversial? I mean, even someone like Nietzsche who was, you know.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, maybe it's only controversial when I talk to my mother. So I don't know.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, fair enough, but Boomer or Xer. My point is like, you know, the idea that morality is man made in the absence of God. God is something that, you know, again, it goes back to Nietzsche, which is like 150 years ago or whatever. So I don't, I don't think it's particularly controversial. I think that, I mean, Nietzsche predicted essentially the whole of the 20th century, and he predicted the nihilism that we're kind of going through right now. This kind of stuff is directly you know, connected to nihilism and directly connected to the idea that. That nothing really matters if there is no God or whatever. So I don't. I. I just don't think that that's actually correct.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

And you, you mentioned Version, which I think is very interesting, because the Bible's a very clever book, because in Genesis 3, when the serpent first appears, you'll notice the entire scene is inverted from the natural order of Genesis 1 and 2. So it's the animal telling the. So God creates the world, and he creates, you know, it's God, it's man, and then it's woman, and then it's the animal of life. But in Genesis 3, it's all inverted. So it's the animal that's calling the shots. It's. Then he's telling it to Eve. It's Eve now telling the man what to do. And God is completely forsaken. And so when, then in the curses, when God is giving the cursing the ground and so forth, and you will feel pain in motherhood and so forth, and you'll crawl on your belly the snake, it's a restoration of the right order again. But it seems like, like the clash between the city of God and the city of man is this clash between those who, like we were talking about earlier, rightly order our loves in accordance with God's economy of goods versus those who want to destroy that economy, invert it, and so on. And I think another thing that fits into it as well, the violation of politically correct norms justifies hitting back. That's why you can have, have every city in the nation burned down in the summer 2020. But don't you dare, don't you dare break a window in the Capitol. The difference is one involved the supposed violation of politically correct norms, you know, a white cop killing a black man, that's the picture that people had back then, so forth. Whereas the other one, it's a bunch of maga, faithful maga, you know, Nazis, trying to destroy our democracy. And bottom line, I remember, just to wrap it up, I remember at the US Open, like in tennis, when was it? Like 2018 or so, when I think her name was Osaka, beat Serena Williams. And Serena Williams had a meltdown in the championship on a court. And she was verbally violent towards the umpire. Absolutely. Because he made a call, she couldn't stand and she couldn't recover, and she lost. And during, during the press conference afterward, she did not apologize. She justified herself. And she said, if I was a man, he would never have done that.

[Jack Posobiec]

I remember this. Do you remember that?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

If I was a man, he would. And I'm standing up for women's rights. That press pool gave her a standing ovation. Billie Jean King tweeted out and said, you go, girl. We're behind you 100%. Do you see? You violate politically correct norms, you are allowed to strike back.

[Jack Posobiec]

Here's one of the reasons, and you know, I've talked about this for a long time, that every time you get a revolutionary movement, every time you're going through a cultural revolution, and they're always Marxist, but even proto Marxist, if it's the French Revolution, the inversion of the societal order requires an inversion of the moral order. But the problem with this is that you have, have believers, right? You have religious faithful that are in your way. And so this becomes an issue for the revolutionary, it becomes an issue for the Marxist, it becomes an issue for the communist because they do believe in a higher power. That higher power, in this case, of course, being God that is above the state, that is above whoever's in charge of the government, that is above the constitution as they've decided to twist it and add words to it and all the other stuff. And so, so this becomes exactly who they target because they know that the source of all of the status quo, which, and by the way, even if you read this manifesto, that's essentially what this freak is saying, is that the world is unjust. I have to undo it. I have to strike back against that injustice. And now we don't know. Libby, fact check. You said you were arguing about that. We're not sure whether or not he went to the school. School.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, we don't think he went to the school.

[Jack Posobiec]

So we don't think he went there. But his mother worked there.

[Libby Emmons]

His mother.

[Jack Posobiec]

So there was some kind of familiarity with the school, probably through the mom. Yeah. And obviously when you read the manifesto, just not to get too much into the, you know, back in all that. But that you can see there's this, there's. There's a schematic of the, of the, of the layout of the church. There's a, A map, there's an understanding of the, the schedule, what we would call pattern of life of this school. So there's a very strong familiarity. And in fact, in other parts of the manifesto and some of these videos, he talks about going and performing basic reconnaissance to see, find shooting angles, to find ways to. Can I target the playground from the autozone parking lot and say. And even writes this down. And, and by the way, had this. I'm going to say it right now. Now, had this video not been uploaded to YouTube and found by the people on social media, we never would have, absolutely never would have buried this. Absolutely would have been buried. And that's not a knock on, you know, Cash, Dan Bongino or anybody. It's just, I think that the local politicians in Minnesota would have, Tim Walls would have done everything they can stonewall.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Giving it to the FBI.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right? They would have just, absolutely, just, just shredded it or burned it or something. Something. And so it talks about, you know, I'm going to go to the AutoZone and pretend that I'm working on my car. But actually because you could do that at AutoZone, you can, you can work on your car in the parking lot, they'll let you borrow tools and, and, but actually be looking at the kids, you know, across the way and I can make a joke about that, but I'm not going to because we're under YouTube guidelines. And the. Somebody got it that, that in this situation, you know, it's, it's. This school is chosen probably because of the familiarity, but also because it's Christian. So they always target Christians first. They always target the, the Christians, they go for the young because they view that as something that's. That they know, they can sense that this is in their way. You see this in France, you see this in Spain. You of course see this in Russia during the revolution there as well in China, of course there's, there's the traditional relig religion is not Christian but is also targeted as well. The Confucian temples and Buddha statues are destroyed. And so, and, and what do you see here in the United States? Places of worship. Children who are involved in, in literal worship are going on. And, and at the same time, at the same time, what do we see? These politicians attacking the process of religious worship starting by the way, with the mayor of the city, Jacob Fry and I, I waited all morning to see. Do we have the clip, do we have the actual clip of Jacob Fry? We should play this because I waited all. It's like everyone, we're waiting all morning to find out what was going on. And then.

[Libby Emmons]

That's the one.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no, no, this isn't the first one. I want to play the first one.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

And keep in mind this is the guy that was kneeling at the gold draped coffin, I mean of George Floyd and he's going to lecture us about prayer.

[Jack Posobiec]

What are the odds that it's the, it's the same guy, the same city. He, he's still the same mayor, same Hennepin county that. That. That lied about the George Floyd autopsy. That changed the George Floyd autopsy after pressure from the FBI. The great Liz Collins go follow all of her work, by the way. Yeah, this is the original one. And so everyone's waiting on the whole whole country and all around the world are waiting to find out what happened. And even before the chief of police gets up and explains what. What happened on the ground and the situation, this is what we hear from Mayor Jacob Fry. Those families are suffering immense pain right now. Think of this as if it were your own. Every one of us needs to be wrapping our arms around these families, giving them every ounce that we can muster. These were many ounces families. These were American families. And the amount of pain that they are suffering right now is extraordinary. And don't just say this is about thoughts and prayers right now. These kids were literally praying. It was the first week of school. They were in a church. These are kids that should be learning with their friends. They should be playing on the playground. They should be able to go to school or church in peace without the fear or risk of violence. And their parents should have the same kind of assurance. These are the sort of basic assurances that, okay, so.

[Brett Dasavic]

So also this is going to pivot to guns. He immediately already does.

[Jack Posobiec]

He immediately politicize it.

[Brett Dasavic]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

But he attacks Catholic families for praying and mocks. This is mocking. This is absolute mockery. Dr. Charlie, is this mockery?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

I would say that's mocking.

[Jack Posobiec]

Absolutely.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Scoffing and mocking.

[Jack Posobiec]

Scoffing and mocking. Don't just say this is about thoughts and prayers. Where is this coming from? People are looking for comfort. There are children's bodies with the blood wet. The church has yet to be cleaned of the blood of children.

[Libby Emmons]

And he's already rebuking everybody.

[Jack Posobiec]

Mocking and rebuking. This is a guy who hates Christians. It's so obvious to me that this is a guy who hates Christians and specifically the Christian God. You notice, by the way, atheists always target the Christian God. Norm MacDonald talked about this. It's always the Christian God that gets the targeting. And we've seen this refrain now repeated again and again by Democrats. That's all across the media. We saw Jen Psaki has a tweet up as well where we got to hear prayer is not freaking enough. Prayers do not end. Prayers does not end school shootings. Prayers do not make parents feel safe sending their kids to school. Prayer does not bring these kids back. Enough with the thoughts and prayers. It was amazing because it's Just guns.

[Brett Dasavic]

It's just guns. Because people have said, let's arm the, let, let's put armed security in schools and make it so these kids can feel safe going to school and say, no, no, kids won't be able to learn if we put.

[Libby Emmons]

She had an, she had another tweet where she was talking about, you know, having National Guard put mulch around D.C. that's not effective. And I quoted that because I was like, are you saying that we should have National Guard at schools and churches? Because, like, on board. Yeah, totally on board.

[Jack Posobiec]

When you're actually kind of making the point, you're making the argument, making the argument why we should have the National Guard, which President Trump is trying to send to the city for this express reason. This is something. So I interviewed Liz Collin earlier on Human Events Daily and it was a bombshell interview from Alpha News. She mentioned, by the way, that she used to send her kid to this school years in the past. So she was very familiar. Then they moved and they're a different area now. And she said that since George Floyd and Derek Chauvin have happened, this is probably the biggest news other than the story. But that may have led to this. So in 2020, started 2020, trying to get the numbers right here. And again, this is her report. So go check with Alpha News on this. That at the start of the year of 2020, Minneapolis had 900 active duty police officers.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Oh, wow.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. They are now down to 350.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, this was a city. This was the city just five years. Floyd, where George Floyd died in police custody in May 2020. And that the mayor, Jacob Frey, who was the mayor then, he got down on his knees and he wept at the side of George Floyd's casket.

[Jack Posobiec]

He'll pray to George Floyd.

[Libby Emmons]

He'll pray to George Floyd, which is.

[Jack Posobiec]

Prayer, because that's his religion.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

His religion is golden calf, literally.

[Libby Emmons]

And when there was a big protest, you know, for George Floyd in Minneapolis, he got down with blm and he was on his knees in the square. He encouraged them to take the statues.

[Jack Posobiec]

He participated in riots.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, he participated in riots until the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Point where they threw him out.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. And he was defunding the police.

[Brett Dasavic]

I was there. I'm from Minnesota. I was there in 2020. OK. And that was at a time when politicians on the federal level, Kamala Harris is putting bail reform stuff in their profiles, which, you know, like Minnesota, you take advantage of the well meaning people who think that she's painting a picture in your mind that fascist cops are going around and just arresting people are holding up signs. You and I understand that that is not true, that these people were committing violent acts. There was billions of dollars of damage done. But the narrative that's painted in the minds of the people who don't, you know, you know, know, bless their souls, they don't take the time to think about the stuff. They've got kids, they've got families, they've got a life to live. And they're living under this delusion that politicians are well meaning and that the media is well meaning and they wouldn't lie to you. No, they want to bail out criminals because they want those acts to continue.

[Jack Posobiec]

And in fact, she, she posted the link and was raising money for, I think they call it the, the Minnesota Freedom Fund, the Minneapolis Freedom Fund that went to, through the bail. So no, I'm sorry, it's, it's either say your, your response to this is to attack prayer. Your response to this is to attack prayer. So, so what they're saying is, and the reason that they have to do this is to say is they are siding with the shooter. They're under saying, I understand why the shooter did this because we hate Christianity too. We're probably just not quite as radical as you are with it. But, but you're not wrong for hating Christianity. You're just wrong for, you know, doing so a little bit too over the line. We're not ready to quote, to start purging the Christians now. But, but mark my words, every single time one of these organizations, one of these revolutions is let to go to its ultimate end, it always ends with dead Christians and dead Christian children. All I gotta say to you, Mr. Mayor, is God will not be mocked.

[Brett Dasavic]

And even if, even, even beyond that, like, if you think about what it was like when the Columbine in the 90s and it was about nihilism and despair with teenagers, right? What that formed into as far as media framing was white male rage, that or guns. And so this forces them to pivot immediately to guns because they don't want to have a discussion about whether identity played a role in something like this. You could still have the discussion about depression and antidepressants and SSRIs, all these things that were in the manifesto that were talked about, talking about being depressed. But that's a very hard discussion because it's sitting right next to the issue with the fact that this individual was trans and they do not want to have discussion. And that's what I hate the most about media and politics is from the moment that that, that he started talking, it was immediately to the guns. That's immediately where they're going to go. There was mocking of, of Christians in there for sure. But what I see right there is immediately pushing to your prayers aren't enough because we have something we need to.

[Jack Posobiec]

Stop, Understand, understand that, that we've gotten to a point in this country where, where Christians and specifically white Christians and this school was vast majority white. If you look at any of the pictures coming out. And so it's been so derided as sort of the kulak class of America, this is the backbone of the middle class, et cetera, that in every revolution you must have a demon. And so their demon is white Christians. And so it creates a problem for the left when they have to sort of pretend like they care about white Christians for, for a, for a day or two. But even in that, for a minute couldn't even do it, he couldn't even hold it for one minute to say like, like. And he's, he still has this knee jerk response to attack prayer and at a Catholic church again as the blood is still wet on the children's bodies, he has to mock them. And we live in a society now where there's. He will not be shamed, he'll probably be supported. And then you have Jen Psaki doing the same thing and I believe Michael Steele, former, actually at one point, RNC guy, RNC chair, but he's effectively been a liberal for years at this point and he was saying the same thing up on msnbc.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah, you're bringing up brilliant point here.

[Jack Posobiec]

Just to finish this off. Name any other religion you could do that about. If this was a synagogue, if this were a mosque, would you hear anyone saying that kind of thing? Because it doesn't fit into media, it.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Doesn'T fit into the cultural Marxist binary of oppressor versus oppressed. And this is the brilliance, I think of what you're talking about because you're pointing out their bait and swift. So you know, if this were a white person going in, right, if the cultural Marxist identity structures were affirmed today, they wouldn't be talking about if he walked into a black church and did this. Especially if it's a man, right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Dylann Roof. We know this has happened.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

So and what do they do? They don't side with, they immediately make it all about identity, immediately. And they generalize the identity that the shooter and the victim were microcosms of this larger oppression and this larger war that's happening in our country. But if you don't have the right identity boxes checked in the situation like that, there's a bait and switch. Well, we can't draw conclusions about. This was an individual. I mean, a Muslim father. Islam is a religion of peace. We don't want to be Islamophobic. And so where do they go? They still got to go with some kind of progressive realism paradigm. So they go to the guns. You gotta.

[Jack Posobiec]

And it's funny that you mentioned that because. And Serge, you have the other clip of Mayor Fry, right? So from. He holds another press conference later in the day. And I know Post Millennial has. Yeah, there it is right there. Later in the day. And what does he say? All of us. And I have heard about a whole lot of hate that's being directed at our trans community. Anybody who is using this as an. Using this as an opportunity to villainize our trans community or any other community out there has lost their sense of common humanity. That's the script.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

That's the script.

[Jack Posobiec]

We should not be operating out of a place of hate for anyone. So listen, we should be operating from a place of love for our kids.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

I think he said the Same thing on J6, didn't he? I think so.

[Jack Posobiec]

So listen to how animated he gets suddenly when it's the trans community. How dare you. How dare you say anything about our beloved trans community. Don't you dare spread hate when he himself partook in spreading hate against Christian children who were killed just. Just, you know, I think hours before this took place.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Or the systemically racist police department of Minneapolis. And how dare they. What they did to. This is poor George Floyd. And so he has no problem scapegoating an entire.

[Jack Posobiec]

Where's that energy? Where's that energy?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Where is it exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

The kids actually died. So, Phil, this was. To your point. This is. In his mind. This is a. It's so sad this happened, but we can't remember that the trans community are the real victims here.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. You know, it is a little surprising that he's going on this or that He's. He's kind of using these talking points, especially considering how most of America really doesn't align with his. The, the trans issue, the LBGT stuff that has really been pushed to the back burner by a lot of Democrats that want to, you know, that want to kind of catch the middle back and bring the middle back, because the left's further left proclivities or whatever. They're very unpopular with the American people, especially, like trans stuff. It's re. It's been rejected pretty handily and the fact that he's actually kind of jumping back into that, that leftist, very progressive kind of talking point. And, and also the 8020 doom loop. Yeah, exactly. Like taking up the 20, the 20 side of an 8020 issue. It. I'm. I'm a little on the. I'm a little.

[Jack Posobiec]

Why does he have to though? But he has to.

[Phil Labonte]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Jack Posobiec]

In his, his party he has to because just like Pete Buttigieg, what is he. This is a white male. So as a white male in this party, he doesn't have any of the victim identity.

[Phil Labonte]

But, but Gavin Newsom doesn't do that.

[Libby Emmons]

No.

[Phil Labonte]

Gavin Newsom.

[Libby Emmons]

Gavin Newsom sort of hedges his bets, right? And if you look at the DNC annual meeting that they had this week in Minnesota, you will hear what's his name, Keith Ellison from Minnesota, the Attorney General from Minnesota, talking about how great it is that so many Democrat led states are suing the Trump administration over child sex changes. Now, they're not opposed to the child sex changes.

[Jack Posobiec]

They want more.

[Libby Emmons]

They want more child sex changes. And Everybody cheered for Mr. Ellison as he was standing there.

[Phil Labonte]

Those are the committed activists.

[Libby Emmons]

Those are the committed activists. But this is also. These are the leaders of the party, right? They don't have any leaders. Kamala Harris said that she's going on a listening tour because she wants to be an outsider politician. Gavin Newsom is the closest thing that they have to a leader and he won't condemn child sex changes. Then you have Tish James, you have Ellison, you have Tim Waltz, you have in Colorado, you have all of these people in favor of the stupid, idiotic thing that, that results in horrors for everybody.

[Phil Labonte]

So, so, so pull back.

[Libby Emmons]

That's the Democratic Party. So you say it's on the fringe, but I say that's the center of the.

[Phil Labonte]

So that's, that's what I want to ask you. Like it seems like, or it had seemed like, like this was getting pushed to the side because it is unpopular with the American people. Do you get the sense that the overall Democrat Party is actually going to continue to push the progressive stuff? And the reason I ask is because this is a loser for them.

[Libby Emmons]

It is a loser for them. But here's something that they hate even more than white men and Christianity. They hate the American people. Right? The Democrat Party hates Americans. They hang out in LA and New York and all of these beautiful cities that have terrible crime rates, that really should not have terrible crime rates because they're great cities. But they hang out there and they look at everybody else. And they say these people are uneducated and they're stupid and racist and homophobic.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Knuckle draggers.

[Libby Emmons]

Anti trans. They're knuckle draggers. They're out there eating squirrels and we hate them. And so we have to drag them onto the right side of history and get them to do things our way, because that's all we can do. And that's what the Democratic Democrats think of all of us. Remember when they attack Trump, right? They say they hate Trump. They say resist Trump, but who else do they say they hate Trump voters, they hate Trump supporters. They think we're all, you know, white supremacist, racist, homophobic, transphobic xenophobes who hate everybody. And so they hate all of us. That's what they think of us. And so they're. Maybe they will couch their opinions for a little bit bit. Maybe they'll say like, oh, you know, maybe Mr. Lucy shouldn't play girls volleyball. But that's only going to be until they get some power back and then they're going to shove it down our throats again.

[Brett Dasavic]

For Gavin Newsom, also, it's because I think he has national ambitions and for a blue state Democrat that's solidly blue, he doesn't need to do that if he's not planning to go past the state level.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I think, I think you're probably right, but I do, I do do think. And look, this is just because I, I'm looking at the, you know, the polls and I look at the way that people have reacted to the Democrat Party, and it would be my gut instinct if I were in his shoes, to not jump back onto the 20 of an 8020 issue.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

And the Democrats overall, more broadly, they should do that. I think Libby's got a great point. Democrats do hate America. They hate the American people.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Post Americanism.

[Brett Dasavic]

Yeah, they. Renee Smith for 2020. That's what they need.

[Phil Labonte]

They really think of themselves as global citizens. They want that.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

That's why they're always on the side of the illegal migrant. That's why, you know, you see a Bass out, the Mayor Bass always on the side because they would, they would rather have post Americans as their constituents than actual men.

[Phil Labonte]

And that's why they don't actually want to change policy in order to win votes. They want to change the law in order to retain power. It's not about representing people. It's about stealing power. That's why they talk about expanding the states. That's why they talk about getting rid of the court getting rid of this. The Senate.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah, get rid of, get rid of the Senate.

[Jack Posobiec]

I've heard. Yeah, get rid of the Senate. Yeah, they go that way.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

They want direct democracy.

[Phil Labonte]

They want to get rid of the electoral college.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

These are all change. The Constitution, always any, any law passed before 1964, Civil Rights act is null and void because it was an apartheid state.

[Phil Labonte]

These are all ways that they want to actually retain power in total defiance of the will of the American people. The American people do not find these policies popular at all. They don't care to adjust their message to represent people. What they want to do is they want to control what the people think and what the people actually do.

[Jack Posobiec]

I just want to throw out real quick here that, you know, maybe, maybe I offer something a little bit more positive because we just got, and I know a little early for the super chats, but I was late yesterday. But we just got one in here from Roberto saying that in keeping up with tradition, I'm super chatting from the labor recovery room welcoming my first child into the world. Say hello to baby Sophia. Not replacement rate yet. Step one closer. So congratulations. Point one population of patriots has increased.

[Libby Emmons]

That's excellent.

[Jack Posobiec]

Welcome, Sophia. Welcome to the fight.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

That's awesome.

[Jack Posobiec]

Welcome. That's great. We've, we've had. That's the second one this week actually.

[Libby Emmons]

That's so great.

[Brett Dasavic]

We had a couple in PCC as well, people. Y.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's amazing. So, you know, we're talking, you know, you mentioned the illegals, but you know.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Oh, absolutely. And, and religious conservatism is the, the number one indicator for reproductive trends. So one of the coolest things that we are are seeing among red states, one of the reasons why the political power is shifting to the red. What are they talking about? A 14 point swing by 2030. It'll be sooner if we get a census before then that doesn't include illegals. But we got a 14 point electoral swing to red states. Not just because of left ugs who have left California and so forth, but also because religious conservatives are having more kids than ever, while secular liberals have largely stopped having kids.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, not just stopped having kids, but are also.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah, literally. Yeah. Revert the other way around. Exactly. So that's one of the most beautiful things. Eric Kaufman, University of London scholar, wrote a book in 2013 called the Religious shall inherit the Earth. You guys will love this. He predicted because of these Trends that by 2030 the culture wars would shift dramatically to the religion.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

By 2030, the culture wars will shift dramatically to the Right. If you look at 2013. But. And just by the. He's a demographer. And what, what year do we expect to see the right ascend as the major electoral power? 2030.

[Phil Labonte]

If you look at Gen Z, they're, they're strong like Gen Z. Young men are very strongly to the right.

[Brett Dasavic]

Oh yeah, well this is following the lines now.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but. Yeah, it is. But the only problem that I see with that. Not that I'm saying that he's wrong. The only problem that I see with that is there are very few Gen Z compared to, you know.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Oh sure, the larger.

[Phil Labonte]

It's, it's just a small number of.

[Jack Posobiec]

People I think because, because so many of them were aborted.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, I mean that's weird is.

[Libby Emmons]

Gen X was already really small.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah, Gen X was small. But what is neat with Gen Z, the New York Post had a really good article on this that for the first time that they can remember, sociologists found that men were more religious than women. Did you guys see this? This was just a few weeks ago in sociology, women being more religious than men in terms of identifying as religious, that's almost like a, that's almost like a rule, an axiom of sociology. For the first time they now see men, more men. And it was a large number, if I recall, it was even double digits or so, 13% or so majority of men saying, yeah, I'm religious. They're calling it the Jordan Peterson phenomenon. You want to talk about God writing straight lines with a crooked stick. He used a secular Canadian psychologist to bring all these men to church. And we've talked about this, Jack. And they're not just going to happy clappy churches, they're going to really hardcore traditionalist churches.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think too that you're starting to see this generation that. And when you talk about Gen Z, you could also bifurcate it into the. Really just the 18-22s currently. So the, the younger end of Gen Z is even far more to the right than all of Gen Z and particularly with the men. Because why was this? This was the COVID generation. Yes. And this was the generation who not figuratively literally had years of their childhood. Two, two and a half years of their childhood. Their absolute most precious formative years just completely stripped from them. And they saw the government do that. They saw what happened. They saw that all of the institutions failed, completely failed. Meanwhile, what was happening in the streets? And here we are again. Minneapolis, Right. Starting in Minneapolis, the, the burning of the streets, the attack on the third Precinct that spread across the entire country. Meanwhile, they were told they had to shelter in place and take a, a, a, an experimental drink that, you know, I know s. I don't know what the, what the line, what the line is on that these days. But an experimental or you can't get to college.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

If you wanted to participate in society. And so they're mad.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And they want revenge.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasavic]

I mean, it's not just right wing politics either though. They feel like they've been sold a lie in the country in a lot of ways. College, college is now vastly been proven for a lot of them. Unless you're going to be doctor Something that requires accreditation, that it's a debt trap that's going to keep you in prison for years. And women are graduating colleges at higher rates, obviously, like you said, it seems to be that there's more atheism showing up around college, around women because in a lot of ways the university has become their God or social justice has become women.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah. They become more liberal.

[Brett Dasavic]

I do think for Gen Z, I worry more than some people, I think that they're going to turn to a communist state eventually because the financial problems that they're facing are so great and so vast and it seems so hard to. With housing rates what they are, interest rates. They don't see a path forward. And what they're just waiting for is a charismatic person from the other side of the aisle. You know what Bernie Sanders would have been in 2016 with a populist message saying, I'm here to help.

[Phil Labonte]

This is why someone like. And I know there are a lot of people out there that hate when I say this, but this is why someone like AOC is such a dangerous politician. She has very far left, you know, impulses and she's very charismatic. She gets a ton of people on her.

[Libby Emmons]

Very talented politician.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, exactly. She's a very talented politician. She's very charismatic. She's really good at, at, at connecting with her, with her, her followers or connecting with people. And whether you like, like I don't like any of her policies. I don't think like. Yeah, you're being descriptive, you know, but.

[Brett Dasavic]

Like on board for like stopping politicians from able to trade stocks. I was on board with that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, I mean a broken clock's right twice. The fact of the matter is like someone like that can. That's why, that's why I harp on the economy all the time. If the economy is bad come 2028, someone like AOC can get into office because the voting public is going to be like, well, the conservatives didn't do it. The MAGA people didn't do it. I don't feel any better.

[Jack Posobiec]

Better.

[Phil Labonte]

And it really makes, that will make for a serious problem for the United States because that means more money printing, that means more devaluing of the currency.

[Jack Posobiec]

Good. Now, I was going to say that this is the two sides of, of Gen Z. Right. So Gen Z has no middle from what, what we're seeing in, in the data. It's either you're, you're all the way like super pro Trump or even beyond that, where you're saying Trump isn't going hard enough, like he's not deporting enough, he's not locking up enough, he's not, you know, sending enough Trump troops out there. And that's, that's one side. The other side is Luigi Maggione. The other side is this, you know, this, this, this trans shooter saying, I want to burn it all down.

[Brett Dasavic]

I mean, that's a bet. That's an even better example. I wish I would have thought of that earlier. Talking about when they feel like they can do the most horrific things and find their own justification for it. You know, this guy who's a CEO who under our laws has not committed any crimes and there were millions of people justifying those actions.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Oh, yeah, Was it, was it Taylor Lorenz? I don't want to, I don't want to ascribe the person.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, no, she was, she's the one.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Who said, I just, I feel joy.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I feel joy.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Piers Morgan was like, he was shocked that someone would be that open about it, but again, there you go. I mean, if you violate politically correct norms, you get excommunicated.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and all of this, all of this comes back on the heels of the fact that our, our. And this is going to sound like a lefty kind of thing to say, but, you know, the 1% in this country, the elite in this country are doing so well right now, and they are so divorced from where the working class is. They are so divorced from the pressures that the middle class is facing, particularly from the migrant crisis, as well as just every institution, everything that's supposed to be working in society feels like it's falling apart part. And meanwhile, you could go online and it's like, oh, here's another mega billionaire getting, getting married. I'm not going to say it, but, you know, and here's this, you know, here's this thing going on. Meanwhile, I can't afford rent or, you know, you get a toothache. And you go to, you go to get a, you know, go to see a specialist and the insurance is run out for the year. And now, oh, that's two grand out of pocket. Well, you're just going to go back to work because, because you can't afford to get the work done. And suddenly, you know, you might get to the point where you say, you know what, maybe I do want to burn it all down. Right.

[Brett Dasavic]

I don't know. I don't think that's even a lefty idea. I think that they just, they come down on opposite sides of how to fix it. And a lot of times they see it as a capitalist system that's failed, that's failed to live up to what it's been said to be. Whereas the right sees it as an issue of regulation and that the system's been created through loopholes and cronyism to give them, you know, a step over all of the regular person. Like when you look at like, who's invested in the market, it's like, what, high 90s percent. It's people that are in the top 10% of the income bracket. And very few people that are living either paycheck to paycheck or their family has a modest savings are really able to invest in the market in any way that's going to meaningfully change their financial future. And it's just more an issue of like, where you believe the problem comes. And that just depends on where you get your news. And a of lot of ways, like the person who's telling you that Jeff Bezos is the problem, that depends on whether you believe that it's a net positive for society to create a whole bunch of jobs and give you the option of receiving almost any product in the world at your house in two days. And do you see that as a benefit to our society or do you see it as something that it's just people lining the pockets of somebody who's worth billions of dollars. And that's. I think that speaks more to their work, actually.

[Jack Posobiec]

And, and someone just mentioned this in the chat that I, I totally missed this earlier. And Libby, we should definitely write this up. In one screen grab of the, the manifesto, there are Luigi stickers.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Oh, interesting.

[Jack Posobiec]

All over the manifesto. So it's, it's. And there are no Mario stickers there. It is all Luigi stickers because there's.

[Brett Dasavic]

A Luigi musical on San Francisco right now.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, so there you go. So Luigi is, it's. Look, you get. And so this is the difference, right? You get Luigi or you get Maga.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Brett Dasavic]

And Bill Burr co signing what Luigi did.

[Jack Posobiec]

Bill Burr said it was great. So when we put out the book on humans last year, this is what we talked about. We said the situation's gotten to the point where either we are going to have a populist solution to it whereby in, you know, we don't. And on the MAGA side we don't demonize people for being successful. We don't, in fact we, we champion people for being successful as long as they do so in a, shall we say, non parasitic, non cheating, cronyist kind of way.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Aristo populism.

[Jack Posobiec]

Exactly. I like that.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah, it's a nice. Yeah, I think that's Patrick Deneen and so.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh yeah, Deneen's good. I'm going to see him next week at, at naton.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Oh cool. Yeah, Doing natcon. Awesome.

[Jack Posobiec]

And, and so what we want is to take the floor from where it is and raise it up.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yes. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

So raise the floor up for everybody.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

But what the communists want once is to tear it down.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Brick by absolute brick. And here's what's, here's what's so interesting. And you see this again and again in these studies that, that we did, these case studies. They don't go, they don't actually go after the super rich first. They go after the well off middle class. So just like in the French Revolution, for example. So for example, they don't, they're not targeting like the super rich billionaires, they're not targeting the super rich even of the elites. But what they might do is say, oh I don't know, know if you can afford to send your kids to a private religious school.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. But they didn't shoot up, you know, whatever the boarding school is out there.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you think part of the reason why that is is because when you're dealing with people that are billionaires, like actual billionaires, you're, they're, they're so disconnected and cut off and isolated from the rest of society where if you're dealing with someone that's like a millionaire, that's like, like the CEO of United Healthcare, he was like, he, he was worth Something like 44 million, which is a lot of money. But that is a world of difference between billionaires. Right? Is it, do you think that it's just an access thing? The people that are worth, you know, 10, 20 million, they're actually walking among us. Whereas people that are worth billions and billions of dollars, like they don't actually mingle with the average people. Do you think?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, and no, but what's interesting though is that you see these patterns echo. For the past 250 years, we've seen this pattern play out again and again, again and again. And it is typically the scions of those same families. So it's typically upper middle class individuals that turn to this level of, of radicalism. Luigi Magione's family, very, very wealthy. In, in this case, you know, we mentioned before that this, you know, it looks like obviously, you know, these surgeries or these, these hormone replacement therapy, it's, it's very, it's very expensive to get into. And yet it looks like this person was undergoing them, had a family that, you know, worked at the school, was, was involved with the school in this, this private education world. So again, like they, they were well off.

[Phil Labonte]

Speaking of the family, we haven't touched on this, but does, has anyone heard about a father? We know that the mother signed off.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. So there were, there were some people going in and finding tweets or, or Facebook posts from the dad where he was, he was celebrating his daughter, celebrating his daughter's birthday, co signing the mental illness. And even also they found some, some post from the dad celebrating the conviction of Derek Chauvin.

[Phil Labonte]

We have a striking.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I don't, yeah, and I don't mean saying, you know, I don't mean like saying, I, I don't have these posts in front of me, but it wasn't saying like, oh, oh, justice has been done. And, and this was good that, you know, that it happened. It was, it was cheering.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Adulation, celebration.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

The witch. Burn the witch.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, you know, and I'm trying to be cognizant of the time and we could go off on all this in every direction, but one thing that I do want to get into is there is this tension, right, that has come up. And so, okay, thoughts and prayers, you know, you know, oh, thoughts and prayers, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, that's not the purpose of thoughts and prayers. Right. You know, which by the way, to your point, conservatism, conservative religion is far more religious. They're also more likely to be the gun owners and the ones to understand that you need to, to take physical steps to protect your property and your family and your children.

[Phil Labonte]

I was at the range myself today.

[Jack Posobiec]

There you go. There you go.

[Brett Dasavic]

They're creating, they're creating helplessness.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's the whole point. So, so this is what we should talk about though is there is a school safety issue in this country. And you know, there, there is a Tension between where we are as a country and where certainly we have a problem with school shooters. And it's, it's, it's, it's silly to, to claim that we don't.

[Libby Emmons]

In Scandinavia they have a problem with school stabbers.

[Jack Posobiec]

They certainly do. And so, and so, and, and even then, like I don't want to, I don't want to, you know, go and talk about some other country. We live here, so what do we do? And, and I think clearly for religious school, this is something that I've, I've brought up before when it comes to religious schools set up programs and there should be 501c3 set up religious non profit set up where you take, you take former law enforcement, former veterans and you set it up so that each school can have someone that is armed, that is security that is there, that's able to be around in case of situation like this. I hate that we have to talk that way, but I want my kids to be safe.

[Libby Emmons]

There was a vote on my local ballot last year about finding more money to put resources officers, AKA cops, security in schools. And that passed pretty, pretty overwhelmingly. And now there's cops in schools.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah, that's Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right? I mean bottom line, safety and security is second only to food, air and water, right? So what do you have five levels of needs? First one is breathing, eating and so forth. But then the second one is shelter. It's safety, it's security. This is why I just think what Trump is doing in D.C. and you're seeing it firsthand and what he's promising to do in Chicago and Baltimore and so on is brilliant because I mean, look at how it worked out for naive Bukele of El Salvador. You know what?

[Jack Posobiec]

Bukele all the cities.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

I would turn it into a verb, turn it into a we Bukele at all the cities. And then he goes, goes for reelection, wins with 85% of the the vote. The claim that this is somehow unconstitutional or we're losing our freedoms and so forth just ends up falling into dust. When you can't trust whether or not you let your kids off at school in the morning, are they going to be safe? That's a prison. Or you can't go outside at night after 8:00pm That's a prison. So Bukele proved, proved that if you meet Maslow's hierarchy of needs, particularly safety and security, like we were just talking kind of the socialism that was the food and the water and you know, just, just basic material conditions. But right at right on, on top of that is you've got to have safety and security. And if you don't have safety and security, you're not free. And if I think Trump has a real golden moment, I think the people.

[Brett Dasavic]

Who are making their, if you were a non leftist, a nonpartisan, making an argument against Trump in this case, it would be, be because it's states rights issue.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right.

[Brett Dasavic]

That they're, they're saying that you're bringing in federal officers where it's something that should be left to the states because it's not your job. I got DC Right. DC Is federal. Makes perfect sense to me. I did see the video of fat JB Pritzker. Like I'm on the waterfront at 6am like criminals aren't out at 6am I'm.

[Libby Emmons]

Sorry, there are, did you see the, did you see the Pritzker video where he was like, trump living. Trump should come out here and see what we're doing. And he was like, literally next Trump International.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, wait, where, where are all the Democrats now saying that cities are safe, by the way?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Right, right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Where are all the Democrats today?

[Libby Emmons]

They're still, they're still out there.

[Jack Posobiec]

They're telling us not to pray because there was a horrible, horrible attack. But I haven't.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, here's what. They don't want us to pray. They don't want us to bring in law enforcement.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Right.

[Libby Emmons]

They don't want us to put curfews on young people.

[Phil Labonte]

They shut up and be a victim.

[Libby Emmons]

That's what they want.

[Phil Labonte]

And be a victim.

[Brett Dasavic]

The thing is, also is victim is the argument also to the contrary, that for somebody who, if you're living in Chicago, if you're living in Illinois, that they're not going to vote, they're not going to vote in politicians who will put in people in the, in law enforcement that will actually be able to uphold the law in a way that keeps people safe and that this is a band aid until the next administration comes in and then it gets removed and things go right back to the way they were. And some people's argument may be that they need to feel the pressure to finally put somebody into power that will do this at the state level so that the federal government doesn't get accused of encroaching where they don't have a right to be. I'm not saying that that's necessarily what I believe. I'm saying I understand that argument. If you're worried about federal overreach.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let me, let me toss this out then as well. To the mix, because, Libby, you probably have a better number than me. But this is. How many times have we seen these mass shooters and they turn out to be trans, they turn out to be involved in some kind of either hormone replacement therapy or the SSRIs. And we have this mass mental illness program problem going on, and we claim it's a mass shooting problem, but actually there are these connections. Do we have an issue in this country where we've got millions of guns in this country and we also have millions of people on SSRIs and now more and more people on hormones? How do you balance this?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I think it's a real problem. And yeah, we had Minneapolis, Nashville, Denver, Aberdeen, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Colorado Springs. Like a lot of people who are caught up in this gender cult have come out and started killing other people en masse, you know, and that's a real problem. How do you, how do you prevent something like that? Well, I think that there's far too much prescriptions of like psychiatric medication on young people. I think that's been going on since the 90s with Ritalin and Adderall and all of the rest. The of of it. I've seen devastating effects on, you know, friends and younger siblings and stuff with that kind of. Those kind of drugs. Then there's the SSRIs, which I don't know if anyone's ever taken though. Like, I took those like just for fun one time because my. Whatever. Anyway, I took one and it was terrible. And I was like, gosh, how would you like it?

[Brett Dasavic]

You wouldn't feel the effects till it has to build up in your system.

[Libby Emmons]

No, it made my eyes bug out and I couldn't. It was like very bad. But maybe I took too many, I don't know. But whatever. Yeah, I think that those are pretty bad. You've seen the effects. You know, people get really like. Like their personalities get washed out. I think the cross sex hormones are a really bad idea. RFK came out just today with a whole new thing about nutrition and putting proper nutrition education into pre med programs in order to deal with preventative diseases. And I think there's a lot to be said for eating right and exercising and seeing food friends, making friends, going to church and realizing that the individual self is not something to believe in. Right. Like we hold ourselves up as these mini gods and in fact, we should be looking outside of ourselves. We should be looking to God for meaning.

[Jack Posobiec]

We should be looking to your worship God.

[Libby Emmons]

So we worship God, so then you can worship self. Yeah, you and you should never be worshiping the self. Gender is not the self soul. Your mental illness is not something to celebrate.

[Brett Dasavic]

But this topic is going to get turned to firearms and is going to talk. Yeah. So. So, Phil, what are the laws on the books as far as being on prescription medications and owning firearms?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know specifically what the.

[Brett Dasavic]

I know you can't have like a weed card.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. So if, if it's anything illegal, federally illegal, and you're the, the 4473, which is the form you have to fill out to actually acquire a firearm. It's. It asks if you're on any kind of illicit drugs. I'm not sure what the legality is regarding things that are prescribed. So if someone's given a prescription for something like SSRIs or whatever, if you're, if you're taking those and your doctor prescribes them, I don't know what the legality is about that. I don't think that there's anything. I don't think there's anything prohibiting that, at least on a federal level.

[Jack Posobiec]

So which, which, by the way, this, the, this Robert would have. Would have had to lie about to get these guns because I think these are recent purchases. So I don't know the exact, the exact time frame, but it, it seems as though he purchased these firearms possibly while working at a cannabis dispensary. So he would have had to fill out the forms.

[Phil Labonte]

So he lied on his 4473 felon.

[Brett Dasavic]

And the thing is with these topics is it always ends up being a Trojan horse to take your gun.

[Jack Posobiec]

Guns.

[Brett Dasavic]

They find a way to turn this into an issue where it's like. And I saw some people do this.

[Jack Posobiec]

They were.

[Brett Dasavic]

They're like, can we finally talk about the guns? Remember that one? You always hear that one in these. When these topics happen. Can we finally talk about. I mean, what do they mean when they say exactly about the guns?

[Phil Labonte]

Like, what do you want to talk about? But they're gonna want to talk about going around and confiscating guns from everybody. Do you think that that's. You think people are going to give their guns up in the United States? It's not going to happen.

[Brett Dasavic]

They think that this kid wouldn't have done that. This guy wouldn't have done that. He would have, like you said, he would have the staff, the kids, if the, if this was in another country.

[Jack Posobiec]

Here's, here's the question, though, is. And I'm trying to open this up a little bit. And so I guess it's what if you, so you're talking about, okay, so marijuana is still on the form.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

What if you added that, what if you added what type of prescription drugs are you on? And to that form as well.

[Phil Labonte]

Problem with that, the, the people that are against it are going to say that's a violation of, of their privacy.

[Libby Emmons]

And like their hipaa, HIPAA laws and stuff like that.

[Phil Labonte]

They're going to say, look, you can't, can't ask that because this is something that's, that's private between me and my doctor. So it, and whether or not people are pro or against this, there's also the, the, the argument that would come up saying they keep killing people. I mean, look, if you, if you use that argument, they're going to say, well then just get rid of the guns. That's what the argument will be. The guns are killing people. It's not the, it's not the, not the drugs, it's. The guns are helping people better.

[Brett Dasavic]

He was depressed.

[Phil Labonte]

And I'm, I'm, I'm against, obviously I'm only telling you what the arguments are going to be.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, no, and I'm forcing the argument because I think it's a, it's an argument which, whose time has come. Right. We, we can't be a country that has both of these things of mass medication, mass psychological and psychiatric medication that so many people are on. Which by the way, and the way we deal with mental health in this country is such joke. Now the, I think the original way around this, around this trap was much simpler and in, if you go back and I was digging into this before to the show and the history of this country is very simple that under the madhouse laws of, of English common law and if you go back to Blackstone and all the rest of this, it was, it was very simple. If you were a lunatic, you got thrown in the asylum. Right. And there wasn't any question about, and actually prior to asylums, you were thrown in prisons and in fact, Benjamin Rush, who. Founding father adjacent, I suppose you could say he was the, he was basically the doctor of the founding fathers Philadelphia area, by the way. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, Philly that, you know, he, he was one of the first people start pushing for psychiatric hospitals and saying we don't, we shouldn't just lock the lunatic up in jail anymore. And one of the first psychiatric hospitals was, they had, they were keeping lunatics chained in the basement of a public hospital and then, and then open that up to a psychiatric wing of a hospital. So I guess my point being is that if we went back to treating mental illness by first separating them from society rather than handing them a prescription and then putting them back into gen pop, we could at least get to a place where we don't have to worry about the, you know, know, liberty being infringed of going and taking away somebody's guns. Yeah.

[Brett Dasavic]

So it's all Ronald Reagan's fault is what you're saying, the shutting down when they were.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brett Dasavic]

I mean, that's a hard one for a lot of.

[Jack Posobiec]

Plenty of Democrats who were involved in that. Because in Hollywood too, with Jack Nicholson and One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest.

[Brett Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And Rodriguez as well.

[Brett Dasavic]

So much of what we see today as society has been streamlined in a way that just like most people can find a way to live in adulthood on their own without, you know, needing necessary assistance because they can take, take medication and all these things. And you can't backtrack society away from that. And locking them up is going to prove harder to do now because they'll find a way around it. In the dsm, I imagine that there's all sorts of way around it. Say they're properly medicated, they've been reintroduced into society, there's no reason for us to lock them up again. And we seem like these days there is a stigma against the asylums.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And, and not that I'm making the argument. The argument always comes up. You know, if you allow the federal government or the state to involuntarily commit people, then there's the possibility that the state starts saying that people that just have your opinion are insane.

[Jack Posobiec]

We do have those laws.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, but hold on, what do you like? So we've been talking about how Christians are basically under attack by leftists. Right. What happens when a leftist. And again, this isn't something. This is the argument. I'm not actually for this. This. Right. But the argument that you hear is what happens when a far left government gets in control and they start saying if you believe in God, you're crazy.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, we already have involuntary commitment laws though, I think in pretty much every state.

[Phil Labonte]

Do we? And involuntary.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know about that. And the reason I say that is because a lot. So many of the homeless people that are on the street are on the street because they have a mental illness often mixed with a drug. Drug addiction. And that's the reason why in New York it's 5150.

[Jack Posobiec]

In Pennsylvania it's I think 302 is something. It's involuntary commitment. It's. And you could put on. Be put on psych hold, which is a form of involuntary commitment.

[Phil Labonte]

What I'm talking about is not just, not just like, okay, are they in? Because I think what you're talking about is are you in immediate danger? But I'm talking about if you are mentally ill with a chronic mental illness, I don't think that the state can commit you. They can take you off the streets, make sure that you're not a danger to yourself, an immediate danger to yourself or a danger to people you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Around.

[Phil Labonte]

Around you. But they can't hold you, they can't commit you indefinitely. Which is what we're. What is kind of on the table here. And I'm looking to see.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and what I'm, what I'm saying though is that you, you. Well, I mean, I'm arguing for a change to law, obviously, and I'm arguing that, I mean to, you know, and I want to get Dr. Trillian on this as well, because, I mean, this is becoming a public health issue and it's, you know, now you're talking about. And this is, this is a difference. So. Okay, right. You know, I don't want to viol. You can't violate hipaa. All right, but what, what happens when it becomes a public safety issue? Because now here's somebody who's on these HRTs, then what. And, and on cannabis, by the way, then walks over to the gun shop and says, hey, I want to buy some guns. Right. And the gunner doesn't have to ask because none of these systems talk to each other.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And, and is writing things like this up and down and I'm sorry, like it's, it just seems that there should be a public policy response to all this.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah, I'm just, I'm actually fascinated by this. I'm sitting back kind of going, wow, this is great.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is me.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

I gotta, I gotta do a video on this sometime, do some research on it. I do think it's. I do. If politics. To the point of wait. But if we do it this way, if the leftists get into power, then they can, they can start imprisoning Christians like they've done in Soviet Union and so on.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, like they were doing for the last four years.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Exactly. Or J6. You know. Exactly. If politics is downstream from culture, then this, this is, It's. I don't know if there's going to be a simple, you know, technical solution to this. It looks like it's going to be A cultural solution. One of the things I was thinking about is, for example, I forgot who it was. Theologian who pointed out, you know, 200 years ago, if, if a person was depressed, they would go to church to pray. Today they go to the mall to shop. And there's something about being able to buy your happiness. There's something about being able, through some kind of fix, to resolve whatever tensions and issues you have that seems to be very much at the heart of a modern sense of life. Modernity tends to be rooted in technology and technology by its nature is control. And so we tend to look for technological solutions to what are often very spiritual and very deep and very moral problems. So this again, it kind of goes full circle to what you were saying earlier. This is why, kind of like this is why I love the way how Maha and Maga have been kind of hooked up together. We can't really save the country until we first, in a sense, and I use this in a third, thoroughly conservative sense, until we save ourselves, as it were, until we take our spiritual lives seriously, our relational lives seriously, our physical lives seriously, our financial lives seriously, our professional lives seriously, until we start taking control, by the grace of God, of our own health, no pills, no techniques are going to solve it. Now if that catches fire, I think there's something to this. I think we can then find the political downstream of how we handle this. But until we get that full sort of faith, family and freedom vibe. Absolutely. Pushing the radical left to the 20% in terms of their power, not just in terms of their population popularity until then. Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a risky thing because when they get into power, they're going to use it in their own.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look, I, I think if we can use power, we can.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Before we push back out this, there was a piece that I really wanted to hit today where, which I think spikes speaks to all of this. This was known, this was a known threat. Right. And here are the facts. Dailywire.com the great Mary Margaret Olahan has the story. Story up. Minnesota Catholic school leader warned Tim Waltz of critical school safety threats. He did nothing. And this was in a letter two years before all of this. So back when the, the Tennessee Christian School, the Nashville shooting took place, there was, there was a letter that was written to Governor Tim Walls asking for extra funding for, for and pointing out to a lack of security at Christian and religious schools because they were considered non public schools. And so public schools were getting ample security. But these non public schools were not getting the same level of security. So he points out that in the letter there were 72,000 students in independent Catholic, Jewish, Christian and Muslim non public schools within the state of Minnesota. Minnesota saying our schools are under attack. Particularly even at the time Jewish and Muslim schools. But we're writing about the Christian schools as well experience increased levels of threats. We need to take this very seriously. We need to ensure all our schools have these resources and they were begging Tim Walls for this, this money instead Tim Walls was working to project to protect transgenders and signed legislation establishing Minnesota as a trans Iran's refuge. So look, they had the money and that's where they sent the money. They knew that there was a lack of security and potentially even the shooter knew that there was a lack of security because what did the shooter say that he was doing? Was conducting this reconnaissance prior to conducting the attack and noting that there was this lack of security which presumably these public schools would not have had. Right, right, right.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

I mean one another thing that's I think that's we could take solace in is since the 2020 Summer of Love gun controls at its lowest level support it's been like in decades and then and that's just the aggregate when you, when you break it down between blue states and red states, the any kind of majority and it's slim 52, 53% ends up disappearing outright.

[Phil Labonte]

29 states are constitutional carrying.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Exactly, exactly, exactly. And then you have of course what almost 2,500 or so Second Amendment sanctuaries among the counties. And then even those who support gun control. Even those it's like number nine out of the 10 priority issues. So it's not a winning issue. And then you have a Supreme Court that's been pretty consistent in shooting down any challenge to the second conviction Commandment Commandments, Second Amendment. So I think we're in, we're in good shape with that and that's why I don't think they really go very far with it. They'll try. Even Obama tried to whip up some anti second amendment sentiment but it disappeared very very quickly.

[Phil Labonte]

Part of the reason is because the, the left tend to focus on semi automatic rifles.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Which when you look into the numbers there's something along the lines of it averages is about 300 murders per year with a semiautomatic rifle.

[Brett Dasavic]

What it's all handguns, right?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's all hand.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

It's.

[Phil Labonte]

It's something there's usually average of about 10,000 murders a year in the United States. 10,000 in a country of 330 million. That's actually pretty per capita considerable. And then when you take, take just rifles, like I said, it's like 300 or so average. You know, it fluctuates a little bit. Everything's handguns. And if you ask the average person. Person, they'll say, well, you know, even people that are, like, against guns, they're like, oh, weapons of war shouldn't be on the street, et cetera. But then they say, well, what about handguns? Well, I think I should be able to have a handgun in my, in my dresser in case someone breaks in. So even once you get down into the nitty gritty about gun control, it's unpopular with the vast majority of the vast majority.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

There was a very interesting study, you may have read it, called Shooters. Are you familiar with that term, shooter or not? Abigail? I can look it up if you look at. The author's name is Abigail something, and it's a doctoral dissertation from the University of Berkeley, Berserkley.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

And she is a huge advocate for what she just simply calls the gun community. And she's a cultural anthropologist who studied the gun community, particularly in California. And she was blown away at how diverse it was. She started off, started off being against it and thinking she was dealing with a bunch of rural, you know, whites in Shasta county or something like that. These, these patriot militias. And so she suddenly realized, wait, there's lgbt, there's blood. Black people are one of the biggest supporters of gun rights and women in particular. And all of a sudden she realized this is one of the most diverse, widespread coalition coalitions in the country. Vermont, you know, where I'm from. Delaware. Delaware is as blue of a state as you can get. I could go into any gun shop, give them my, Give them my, my license, and in 15 minutes, I'm out of there with a Glock. No problem whatsoever. I've done it. So the, the point is, is that more and more, I think the left is doing what they can sort of galvanize what's left of just a shattered coalition. Because, remember, the left's coalition became Trump's coalition. The working class became. This is a Newsweek article back in May. White working class in 2016, then the non white working class in 2024. The Obama coalition is now the Trump coalition. The Democrats don't have a coalition.

[Phil Labonte]

No, they've hollowed. They've really, like, they've done so much hollowing out of their support. They really have a, a lower class or basically poor people that are on some kind of government assistance that are reliably Democrat. And then they're the elites.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

The elites.

[Phil Labonte]

You got it.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

The underclass and then the superclass.

[Phil Labonte]

The middle class has moved.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Middle class. We saw it in Chicago with Mayor Johnson. The working class in Chicago voters, Democrats, they were supporting the law and order guy. Forget what you know. And the Chicago mayoral campaign, they were all for the law and order guy. It was. It was the elite bougie whites, you know, and the, and the, the. What is it? The. The Miracle Mile, whatever it is. It's the elite bougie whites with the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Underclass that teamed up with the managerial class.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

The managerial class. Perfect. Managerial class. With these. The sort of underclass they teamed up and they put in. We're going to see the same thing in New York.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

With Mamdani. Exact same thing.

[Phil Labonte]

Part of the reason why the left is actually goes after the middle class and tries to do what it. What it can to erode them. And erode them and put as many people into the poor or the rich.

[Jack Posobiec]

Scott Greer had a great bifurcation of these, the race in the Democrat primary in New York talking about the Zoramdani. And so he was saying the yuppies weren't really for Mamdani. They were kind of split between, quote, Momo and. And Adams, the current mayor. And so the uppies, of course. What does that stand for? Young Urban Professionals. Right, The. Yup, The Uppies. And so he said. But what was what. What you saw going for Mamdani was actually the Young Urban Creatives or. Or the term that he came up with. It is so good. The yuckies. The yuckies. It's perfect. It's absolutely perfect. So shout out to. I love it. Everyone who is an adherent to the group head pledge, of which I am, including the old one. But before we go, we have a ton of super chats. Gotta get to them. So, you know, a lot. A lot of these, by the way, tonight are just comments rather than questions. So let's go with it. Shane Wilder, who's here yet again, Mayor Fry is an idiot. I'll be praying a divine mercy chaplet for victims of the shooting at Annunciation Catholic School tonight. Agnes DEI cuitolis pekata mundui Misere misere nobis. I didn't know I was going to Latin there, but no many Padre Filio spirit. Amen. And I've got my Saint Michael the Archangel rosary right here with me. It's been with me all day.

[Phil Labonte]

K H Wilder is reliably Catholic and he's Here all the time.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's go, let's go, let's go. This from HS Disturbed. Are the accounts saying the shooter was a Trump supporter? Real people. People or bots. What is the breakdown of this moronic death cult? Yeah, I saw some people trying to Photoshop like a maga hat. Yeah. Onto the shooter and it was just. I mean it's just ridiculous. I don't know where it's from. I think it's just. I think it's just disaffected leftists because this is sort of an example of, you know, when prophecy fails. So the cognitive dissonance kicks in and they have to do something to, you know, to claim that it was the other. Because again, in this, their philosophy, it is Trump and Trump supporters that are destroying the country. So they have to find a way to dissociate them from this. Which again, even Jacob Fry in he. That's the cognitive dissonance that's driving him to attack prayer because he's so physically upset and uncomfortable about what's going on, he has to push it off into another vector and that's why he has that response.

[Brett Dasavic]

And it's a mode of control. All it takes is just one person believing it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasavic]

That's all it takes. Like every time somebody posts a fake post like that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, I heard that.

[Brett Dasavic]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, I heard that. So it becomes this false.

[Brett Dasavic]

Exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like to get out of the cognitive dissonance trap.

[Brett Dasavic]

Even when I saw the. The posts initially it was from like right angle news or something. Like I don't buy anything now until like I have to see a lot of people. Like I just. Because the Internet being what it is, especially with X being a monetized platform, I don't. And it's kind of sad. Like in. In current year, I don't believe anything anymore.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I got to.

[Brett Dasavic]

And proven by like beyond the show.

[Libby Emmons]

It used to be that you could just count on a tweet to be pretty much true. And that is no longer.

[Phil Labonte]

But I want to point out, remember there was a lot of people that were sure that Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift were fake. You were sure that they're back. Back around the super bowl. They were sure it was fake. Now they're. Yeah. People were swearing up and down and I was like, I don't know, man. They maybe they might be real.

[Libby Emmons]

It might be fake.

[Jack Posobiec]

It still may be fake.

[Phil Labonte]

It's moving the gold goal post down here.

[Jack Posobiec]

She's still obviously, I mean the. I not getting into it. Promise. I promise I wasn't Going to get into it. All I'll say is green lines. Green lines. This. This super chat from df2992. I'm really beginning to think. Think Tim Walls was really telling the truth when he said he is friends with school shooters. Remember he said it.

[Phil Labonte]

It's.

[Jack Posobiec]

He just keeps coming up. It's crazy. People saying, big shocker. We're getting answers. Force of the universe. Yeah. So just a stupid glase a. A grand jury refused to indict the DC Sandwich thrower. So we're now seeing jury nullification from the grand jury side, which is going to be a huge problem for a lot of these cases in Washington, D.C. because that D.C. jury pool, even for the grand jury, he confused. And by the way, you can bring charges without going to a grand jury. So you're just. You're just going to have to start doing this right. And it's got.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

You got it on film.

[Libby Emmons]

And this is the sandwich. The sandwich.

[Jack Posobiec]

Doj, who was a DOJ employee, of course was.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And he didn't just throw it. Didn't he hit him with it like he loved him with it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, wait, wait. Serge, go back up that clothy Swiss. Reset the clock. Reset the clock. Another trans shooter. Reset the clock. There you go. What's this? I like this one. Jacob Hawley. We must unite and stand together to protect our faith. I don't care if you're catholic or orthodox or Protestant. We are being targeted. We must be prepared to defend our faith, our community, friends and family. Keep your head on a swivel. Here.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Here. Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

Here. Here. You're here. Dr. Charlie. Another orthodox.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

No, that's right. As long as orthodox are first, that's all.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, well, I.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

You should have said Orthodox.

[Jack Posobiec]

Orthodox.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Kathy.

[Jack Posobiec]

Married. Married to an Orthodox. That's right. Doing my part to mend the schism.

[Phil Labonte]

Look, you should. You should own firearms and you should go out and train with them. They. It's not enough that they just sit in the safe or. Or are tucked away in your sock drawer. You need to go out and shoot with it. You need to carry it with you. It's a proficient. You have to have proficiency. And it's a disposable skill. Like it will degrade. So you have to get out and train regularly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. And. And. And look, when. When you. You're in one of these schools and. Or if you have kids that go to one of these schools like I do, by the way, my kids go to Catholic school. And as I was reporting the story today in the back of my head, I'm thinking, my son is in a Catholic school right now.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And it's just something we all have to think about. We have to think about on a regular basis. And guess what? We live in a real world, and that's how it goes. Fortunately, I am, as Phil mentioned mentions someone who also regularly practices my perishable skill. And I am a firm defender and exerciser of the second amendment and my rights.

[Libby Emmons]

So it's a perishable skill you have to, like, keep.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yep. Well, it's like. It's like language. It's like. It's like a language ability.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, it's not like riding a bike.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it's not.

[Phil Labonte]

The basics. Like, the basics are.

[Jack Posobiec]

Are. Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, like, I mean, once you. Once you know how to shoot.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Once you know how to shoot, you're good. But if you want to be proficient, then it's something that you have to do. Like, I go, I. I. There's this drill called a bill drill, which is you shoot six rounds into the target. I'm doing it from concealment. So I've got my shirt on, and I draw from my holster in concealment. And like, I try and aim for under two seconds to get the gun out in six rounds on target. That's what I'm going for. That's.

[Libby Emmons]

That's actually under, like, six rounds on target in two seconds.

[Phil Labonte]

Get. Yeah, get the gun out and fire from.

[Jack Posobiec]

From. But starting from when he says starting concealed. So it's your. I don't know, rehearsal is. But somewhere, you know, it's a holster. So the idea being what he's talking about, this is some. Hey, someone's coming up and mugging. So, Iris. Iris Tal told you that story yesterday at the cabinet meeting. And she told me that story before from ntd where she was. She was mugged and pistol whipped on the street in D.C. a couple years ago. You know, this is a situation where, hey, you know, if someone's putting a gun know you. Your face, you got to get yours out real fast because that someone else's gun might already be out.

[Phil Labonte]

I tagged you on X in a video of one so you could see.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, nice. Thanks.

[Jack Posobiec]

But, yeah, it's. It's. It's a. I would say in. If you want to be effective with your firearm, that part is perishable. Absolutely. And. And especially with pistols. Pistols are harder than people. Much harder than people realize.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Way, way harder.

[Libby Emmons]

So it's not like a Nerf gun.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I mean, they're fun, but.

[Jack Posobiec]

A firearm is a water gun. Explained it is this. Is that for people who don't, you know, people. There's this mystique around firearms, which, Which I think that basic training and familiarization training. And, and it sounds. Phil, it sounds like you need to take Libby out to the range, man. We need a Libby range day.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, I did ask a while back. Remember?

[Phil Labonte]

We got to go.

[Jack Posobiec]

We got to do this.

[Phil Labonte]

Look, I. I mean it. It's open Monday through Sunday. I go to Peacemaker. It's over in. It's in West Virginia.

[Libby Emmons]

Last time I shot a gun, I was 9 year 8 years old. My grandfather was shooting me.

[Jack Posobiec]

Really? This needs to be fixed.

[Libby Emmons]

I remember.

[Phil Labonte]

What are you doing this weekend?

[Libby Emmons]

He shot some stuff. Would you want to. Would. Can my kid come too? Because he would like to learn. Okay, let's. Let's do it.

[Phil Labonte]

All right, cool.

[Libby Emmons]

Maybe like after church Sunday.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay, perfect time to go.

[Libby Emmons]

Perfect.

[Jack Posobiec]

Perfect time to go. Look. And so it. It. Yeah, I think it distills the mystique when you get a little more familiarization and, you know, it's not the, you know, the scary thing that can kill. Look, it is a. It is a tool. It is the same as any other tool. It is a tool that pushes a piece of metal forward. Firearm is a tool that pushes a piece of metal forward. That's it. That's all it does. That's. That's all. Every. Every firearm, there are different types, but if you just think of it that way, that's what they are, and that's what they do. And just like. And it. It is dangerous, right? The same way that any, you know, power tool would be dangerous, et cetera. So you have to treat. Treated with a. A certain amount of respect, but at the same time, if you're not using it, if you want to use it effectively, you got to train, you got to practice on it.

[Libby Emmons]

Interesting.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, yeah. Pushes a piece of metal forward. You like that, Phil?

[Phil Labonte]

It's. It's accurate. Push the firing pin forward, which pushes into the, you know, the, the primer. Yeah, it's accurate.

[Jack Posobiec]

Piece of metal. Piece of metal goes forward. That's it. That's it. So. But once you. Once you think of it that, that way, you know, you start to understand it and then. And then you have your, you know, you have your rules, right? Your. Your basic rules.

[Libby Emmons]

I remember, I remember firearm rules because we had prop firearms when I was doing shows. And the rule was you had to treat them like they were real firearms.

[Jack Posobiec]

Every gun, like it's like, that's number one.

[Libby Emmons]

So that's what.

[Jack Posobiec]

We treat every gun like it's loaded. Yeah, I like Baldwin. Probably should have figured that out.

[Libby Emmons]

Clown. How do you do that?

[Jack Posobiec]

Because you don't care.

[Phil Labonte]

He literally broke every firearm.

[Libby Emmons]

Every single one.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

And got away with it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, someone. I like this one.

[Phil Labonte]

And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I. And I wish it were. Were truer, but this is from our Rot Corp. Rot Corp. I've been watching these two since 2018. Captain Tim Pool and Turley Nader team up. It's like watching the final battle in End Game. Tim Pooligans troublemakers assemble. And it's like, we're so close. But Tim, of course, is not actually here.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Well, I'll just have to come out again.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I'll have to come back out again. Come back out again.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Rot Corp is a great guy.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay. You know.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah, yeah. He's. He comments a lot on our. On our channel.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

And he's a member of our insiders club.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, where was that other one? Someone said? Oh, he had another one. He actually said RT Corp. He said, I hope Dr. Turley gets a beanie and an un. Cancelable Beanies or boonies board. Turley Talks Nation will know why. Cough. Cough. YouTube Cough.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Well, somebody can explain it to me, baby. I'm getting some hieroglyphics and all that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay. David Ochoa. Check out California Assembly Bill 495. This is nightmare material. The family preparedness plan would expand the type of person who is authorized to execute a caregiver's authorization affidavit have it. So I'm guessing that might have to do with DNRs like do not Resuscitate, something like that.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't know. I remember one of the parents that I talked to in California was telling me that there was a bill coming around that would allow anybody to like, authorize basically gender care for your kid, even if you didn't approve it. I don't know if it's that, but that was a thing.

[Phil Labonte]

Firearms are important.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, yeah. There's. There's. There's things that you can't do to somebody else's kid.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

The idea that you could.

[Libby Emmons]

Shouldn't do them to your kid either.

[Jack Posobiec]

Here, here's. Here's. Here's someone who disagrees. And I. I love reading Disagreers from Hal Gailey. God isn't required for morality. Morality can be reached logically and axiomatically. But God does make morality concrete in the face of bad argumentation.

[Phil Labonte]

If there is no God, then morality is just subjective.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, the, the back in the day, I think it was the Aztecs, that's. That sacrificed 20,000 people in one year to the Sun God. That was good to them.

[Libby Emmons]

That was moral.

[Phil Labonte]

That was moral and good. In the Middle east, there are countries where it's moral and good to throw gay people off of buildings. Okay. This is just. This is just a h. In Afghanistan.

[Libby Emmons]

It'S moral and good to not let women's voices be heard in public or to.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Well, there's some things we would agree. No, I'm an older brother.

[Phil Labonte]

I've stepped on that with L. Before.

[Libby Emmons]

I get mad, I just am. Right.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah. I don't get mad.

[Brett Dasavic]

I guess women driving thing.

[Jack Posobiec]

This would be my, My response to that would be, be that I hear what you're saying and I am sympathetic to your point. However, it does not scale. So godlessness does not work at scale. And in a society where you have people that are constantly searching for meaning when. And this is what Nietzsche talked about with nihilism, that when you kill God, people will try to fill that void with anything and it will lead to the destruction of the society. That is what we are currently living through. Which Nietzsche, of course predicted 150 years ago. And so it just. It doesn't. Yeah, maybe for some people, but it doesn't scale. Absolutely not.

[Phil Labonte]

The 20th century was the most bloody and horrific century in human history for a reason.

[Jack Posobiec]

Nietzsche predicted it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And he saw what was coming. When he proclaimed the death of God, it was not some kind of victory. He figured, he said, this is going to be a blood bath until man remakes himself. Now, I don't know that. I don't think that he's right about that because I don't think man can remake himself in the way that Nietzsche thought. But still, like it was an absolute bloodbath. The 20th century was a complete shit show.

[Jack Posobiec]

We have a. We have a. Almost like a double super chat here from Maximilian Cunnings. Paid quite a. Quite a lot of money to say this. So. Hi, Dr. Steve. You don't have time to answer my question, so I'll see you Friday. Also, could you pray for my Internet friends friend, as she is extremely suicidal.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Oh my.

[Jack Posobiec]

So that's Maximilian. Excuse me, Maximilian Cunnings. So you'll be seeing. You'll be seeing Max?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

I will, absolutely, yes, absolutely.

[Jack Posobiec]

That was a big one. This one comes in from. I'm not your buddy guy. The left is radicalized and I've been warning others. Many of these people are genuinely okay with Mass human removal. This isn't fear mongering. They are utopian and willing to break a few eggs to make that omelette. The book on humans is all about this, the specific word I wrote. They view us as less than human. They view anyone who is in their way, specifically Christians, believers and even the children of Christians, as a sort of, shall we say, invasive species. They think that if we are removed, we are the fly in their ointment. We are the, the ones that need to be removed from the equation so that their final beautiful equal justice, equal equity, social justice, society can flourish. So remember, communism is always only just a couple of mass killings away from finally working.

[Libby Emmons]

There you go.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

So well said.

[Jack Posobiec]

We have any, do we have any rumble rants? Oh yeah, yeah, I saw, I saw a couple. This one. Rocket theology. Wow. Catholic schools in Northern Virginia have already been doing attack drills and are at max paranoia. Many kids school year will be affected as a result of this. This attack. And unfortunately it's not. It's not paranoia. Yeah, it's very real. It's real. And we have another one. This. Oh, I've heard of this actually. So jumped up. Pleb. My friend's company, company Prelio Security was created specifically to place armed force, place armed former military guards at Christian schools. Very effective. So Preleo Security. And there's, there's a number of these that are, that are, that are popping up now. It's great because people are realizing it is a. It's just, it's just real, it's a necessity, it's needed. Carlo, Carlo Magno wrote Jack, I just googled list of trans violence, mass shooting and nothing pops up. Are you sure this isn't fake news? Question mark, question mark, question mark. And I think it's, you know, he's being sarcastic there. So you know Libby, maybe, maybe the post millennial could put together a compendium.

[Libby Emmons]

Should we do a little list?

[Jack Posobiec]

Maybe. Maybe a listicle of the Listicles are.

[Libby Emmons]

So fun, you guys.

[Jack Posobiec]

Everybody loves the top. Well, not top, but the most recent.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Top 10 trans shooting.

[Brett Dasavic]

It is important because if you're getting your news from traditional sites, you're not going to see it's not easily accessed. At the very least, it's not that you can't find it. It's that they're going to make it as difficult to find this information as possible. And the less you see of it, the quicker it leaves your mind. And that's why people will be under the wrong assumption that the violence only goes one way and the media's best tool to lie to you is obfuscation. It's why they put the most important information in the last paragraph and every article and why everything gets buried in two days. Because they don't necessarily even have to lie to you outright. They just need to get it away from your ey quickly as possible if they want to push you towards a certain viewpoint.

[Jack Posobiec]

So true. Yeah. The way you have to read, you know, New York Times or Washington Post is read the bottom first. We are starting to run low on time. Dr. Turley, you've got a book here that you've brought with us. What is this?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Oh, yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

What are these books?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yes, I do. America Awakened the Collapse of Globalism and the Return to Faith, Family and Freedom. Lovely little picture in the back too, as well. Portrait.

[Jack Posobiec]

Who's that guy?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Who was that a few pounds ago? But yeah, I wrote it, really, to answer the question I was asked. Oftentimes, Trump is always bringing up the Golden Age, the Golden Age. What is this Golden Age he's talking about? And so I sat down and I wrote an entire book on what exactly this Golden Age is. And I basically make the argument it's the era of restoration politics, what scholars call it. It's actually happening all over the world, but here in the United States, it's happening in the form of maga. And what we're seeing is we're seeing the collapse of globalism that is ushering in, at the same time, one of the greatest religious renewals we've ever seen. That's a direct quote from Rodney Stark, the late sociologist at Baylor University. That religious renewal is more or less resolving the. The reproduction crisis, demographic crisis that we're facing, because, like we talked about earlier, conservative Christians here in the United States, conservative religious in general, are having more children than ever, while secular liberals have largely stopped having kids. And then thirdly, we're also seeing the rise of what's called the network Society. Jack and I have actually talked about that in a conference together where the rise of the Internet and cyberspace are increasingly liberating more and more populations from the old liberal structures, very similar to the way email and texting bypass the old post office. So the legacy media is still there. It's just that people don't really use it that much anymore because we don't have to. We have a new era, a new world that's rising. So this resurgence of faith, this resurgence of family and this resurgence of freedom is combining together, together to create this golden Age like never before. So America awakens the Collapse of globalism and the return to faith, family, and freedom.

[Jack Posobiec]

And Dr. Turley, tell people where they can go to follow you and get more access to your rants and ravings.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

My rants and raving? You could go to turleytalks.com, you can go to Amazon to grab this. And you can go. Generally, it's either rumble or YouTube. Just put in Dr. Steve Turley and you'll find me there.

[Jack Posobiec]

Dr. Turley, I can't believe you haven't been on before. That's.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's awesome to be with you guys.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because you're all over my YouTube feed whenever I pop in. So I'm saying, how could you have not been on? That's crazy. Libby.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm Libby Emmons. You can find me on Twitter at libbyemons. You can also find me and everybody [e-mail] and human events.com to see all the great work we're doing. And you can sign up for my [e-mail] Libby. Thanks.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you, Brett.

[Brett Dasavic]

Guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on X. Brett Dasavic on both of those platforms. But what you should do is go find pop culture CR. We are on YouTube and on Rumble five days a week, Monday through Friday, 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time. See you there, guys.

[Jack Posobiec]

I would. I would also say that. That Brett's got a great pin tweet on TV recommendations.

[Brett Dasavic]

125 of them.

[Jack Posobiec]

125. And it's like, it's. It's wild. It's wild reading it because I've seen it before. I didn't tell you this before, but I was like, man, this guy is like the exact same taste in movie. We were. We were, you know, going back and forth for like an hour before this about Bosch and Michael Conley stuff.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

So we know we had to sit.

[Jack Posobiec]

I know we'll have to. We'll have to have a side chat about. About that some time.

[Phil Labonte]

Very few people have the. The depth of knowledge up right. I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, and Deezer. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[Jack Posobiec]

So good. Serge, thank you for pressing buttons once again, man. Thank you. All right. I am Jack Posic. This will be my, as far as I know, the last time guest hosting this stint around. We're all praying for ste. Exce. Steve. Gosh, I want to save Bannon for a second because I always guess host for him when he's in jail or something. I don't think he's in jail again yet.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

We'll see.

[Jack Posobiec]

The Chinese Communist Party is always trying to get him. But no, I was actually looking at Psycho Stu. That's. That's what I was thinking of it. And no, Tim. We're praying for Tim. We hope that he gets better. And he. I think he's on the men. So I chatted with him a little bit earlier today and he was definitely on the board. You want to check out any more of my stuff? It's Human Events Daily, Apple Podcasts, Spotify. We're doing a ton. We were up in the Anchorage Accords with Vladimir Putin, with Sergey Lavrov. We then went to the multilateral meeting with Zelensky and all the European leaders. So we're giving you that real, real time, direct access to everything that's going on. So check out Human Events Daily and of course, Human events dot com. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore. Sam.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

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[Jack Posobiec]

It doesn't have to be.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

Let me point something out. You're listening to a podcast right now and it's great.

[Jack Posobiec]

You love the host.

[Dr. Steve Turley]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Did I get your attention?

[Dr. Steve Turley]

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