Roman Nation (4:42)

Second time's a charm. How you doing, Tim?

Tim Pool (4:44)

I'm doing well. How about you?

Roman Nation (4:45)

Good, good, good.

Tim Pool (4:46)

Who are you? What do you do?

Roman Nation (4:47)

All right, well, I'm the host of Roman Nation. My name is ak I'm also the founder of the Roman Nation network where three days a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, actually now. Yeah, so we do. We also have other shows, you know, like Sunset Rants that goes throughout the week. We also have. You can find us at rise of middleamerica.com, go to the top right hand corner and that's where you see all of our socials. You can join us on rumble, YouTube, on X, everywhere, you know, on the Internet.

Tim Pool (5:16)

Right? Yeah. A voice made for podcasts, right?

Phil Labonte (5:19)

Totally.

Tim Pool (5:20)

Thanks for hanging out. It's going to be fun. We got a lot hanging out.

Alad Eliyahu (5:22)

Good evening, everybody. I am Alad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. How's it going, Phil?

Phil Labonte (5:28)

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

Tim Pool (5:34)

Here's a story from the Post. Millennial wife and five children of Boulder terror suspect arrested by ICE facing deportation. Not just that, the White House put out a statement saying six is literally from at Whitehouse. Six one way tickets for Mohamed's wife and five kids. Final boarding call coming soon. That's bold. Now here's where it gets really crazy. They say that the news was first broken by Laura Loomer. Shout out to Laura Loomer. She has been killing it with her reporting as of recent. And get this, she tweets. DHS has exclusively confirmed to me that Muslim Brotherhood terrorist Muhammad Solomon's wife and five kids have officially been taken into ICE custody and they're being processed. DHS tells me they they became aware of his children following Loomer unleashed exclusive reporting, including the fact that his daughter just graduated from Thomas McLaren State Charter School in Colorado and is set to attend college in Colorado. Not anymore, apparently. They will all now be deported. And I have questions. I mean, were they here illegally? I've seen reporting that their visas, I think, is this Bill Mulligan, I don't know. Yes, here he goes. Bill Milugan says the State Department confirms to Fox News that all visas for Boulder terror attacks suspect Muhammad Solomon's family have been revoked. ICE arrested all of them earlier today, and they are now in federal custody being processed for expedited removal and fast deportation. So it sounds like they may have been here legally. Now, I'm going to make an assumption they came here illegally, overstayed their visas, and then got special provisions from the Biden administration.

Phil Labonte (7:12)

Yeah, I mean, that's the reporting that I've heard. But look, they should all, they should, the whole family should go back. Sorry. If they're here on visas and your father does this kind of stuff, you got to go back to where you came from. There was a, something that I saw on Twitter earlier today or yesterday that Stephen Miller is extremely unhappy with the number of deportations and how fast it's happening. That echoes what you hear from people on the Internet. Everybody. Frequently you hear people say, it's not happening fast enough. It's been this many months. Where is this? Where's that? And I think that Stephen Miller is echoing that. And I think that this kind of stuff is part of the result of the administration paying attention to what people on the Internet and their supporters think.

Roman Nation (7:58)

Right, right. And could you imagine if Osama bin Laden's family was here during 911? I mean.

Tim Pool (8:03)

Right. And then if, like, the government put him on planes and shuttled them out secretly.

Roman Nation (8:06)

Exactly. What, are you going to keep them here? Like, Absolutely not.

Tim Pool (8:09)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (8:09)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (8:10)

But I, I, I hope people are aware that that literally happened.

Phil Labonte (8:13)

Yeah, his family was here, but I.

Tim Pool (8:16)

Think they were, you know, his family was shuttled out protectively, and the argument they gave was that the family wasn't associated and they were concerned for their safety or something.

Phil Labonte (8:25)

Yeah, I mean, that's what I heard, too. I heard that the, you know, it's the, the builder magnet kind of dude that was the, his dad was the, you know, in the US Doing that stuff. So.

Tim Pool (8:36)

Well, Biden let this guy stay here illegally, and this is what happens.

Phil Labonte (8:39)

All of this stuff can be directly given right. To the Democrats, and they haven't even come out and strongly denounced this. I haven't heard any, you know, not once Washington Democrats even make a remark about this.

Tim Pool (8:51)

No. They're struggling to avoid having to take responsibility for the rhetoric and for the. The ideologies they promote. Democrats have been having these secret meetings. I love it. They give all of them top secret names. Not kidding. They've got. What do they have? So everyone knows about Project Sam, right?

Phil Labonte (9:11)

Awesome.

Tim Pool (9:12)

Project Sam. Yeah, that's the. Where The Democrats spent $20 million to try and figure out how to talk to American men.

Phil Labonte (9:18)

Okay, all right, that's.

Tim Pool (9:19)

Yeah, Project Sam.

Phil Labonte (9:19)

I didn't realize that was called Project Thing.

Tim Pool (9:22)

Yes. Now, hold on. Project Searchlight and Wildflower. These people are so deranged. And just take a look at what Nate Silver was reporting, where they got a high rate of mental illness. This is what you get. They blindly march in lockstep with crackpot agendas and ideologies that make no sense. They allow these lunatics unvetted, or sometimes they. They're dangerous to stay in this country. And this is what happens when they try to assess, hey, what's wrong with the Democratic Party? Why are people leaving? They're like, I get an idea. Let's spend $10 million going to a resort where we'll have a special event called Project Starlight. And then we're going to talk about why we can't attract regular working people. And it's like, maybe it's your fake movie. Ask code names and inability to discern, like, how to live like a normal person.

Phil Labonte (10:14)

Democrat. Democrats really are the, The. The theater kids.

Tim Pool (10:18)

Yep.

Phil Labonte (10:19)

And it shows.

Roman Nation (10:20)

That's all of Congress. I mean, pretty much they're just the. The ugly kids that couldn't, you know.

Alad Eliyahu (10:26)

So what I think is absolutely fascinating. Well, first and foremost, Laura Loomer, I don't think get enough credit for her phenomenal reporting here. And the influence she has in the administration can't really be understated. There's other reporting today that she met with Vice President J.D. vince. So Laura Loomer has her fingers probably not only in the executive branch, but probably also over at dhs. So her reporting also led to the deportation here. I think what the story is going to turn into is it being not just about this guy and his terrorist attack, but it will ultimately be about the decision to deport his family members as well. They likely weren't citizens. I think the reporting showed that they were here on visas. But I think moving forward, the Democrats will actually choose to defend this person's family. He'll say. They will say this, you know, they don't deserve it. They have no relation to him. Despite the extremism, definitely in the family, the wife definitely knew something about, about.

Tim Pool (11:22)

This is the criminal action of one man.

Alad Eliyahu (11:25)

Yeah. And I think we should also recognize a little bit more about the culture that Muhammad comes from and how they view these acts of violence versus how we view it in a Western sense. So some people here will condemn it. Many pro Hamas or pro Palestine people will actually commend this guy and justify it and say this is an act of resistance and he's a martyr. But when he goes back to Egypt or Kuwait or this family, wherever they're deported to, they're, they will be brought back as heroes.

Tim Pool (11:52)

Actually, I think I had an idea.

Alad Eliyahu (11:53)

Death cult.

Tim Pool (11:54)

I, I had an idea, you know, why did this guy attack some random Americans who are trying to raise awareness peacefully for these hostages? He's concerned about Gaza, figured out he's from Egypt. Here's an idea for his family in Egypt, they can petition their government to open the Rafa crossing and help all of those people. Why did he come here and firebomb people instead of doing that?

Alad Eliyahu (12:23)

It's a good question.

Tim Pool (12:24)

Why did an Egyptian come to the United States, plan a terror attack on Americans instead of actually in his country bordering Gaza, do something about it there?

Phil Labonte (12:35)

I imagine there's nothing that he can do. Obviously it's easier.

Tim Pool (12:38)

I mean, let's, let's just be real. Literally anything he does in Egypt is more effective than attacking random Americans.

Alad Eliyahu (12:46)

It's easier to attack defenseless Jews, old 70 year old, 80 year old women than it is.

Tim Pool (12:52)

And children.

Alad Eliyahu (12:52)

And children to go. To go. Than to go fight.

Tim Pool (12:57)

I'm saying, I'm saying if he's literally standing in Egypt holding a sign saying Open Rafa, why that's the right one, right? Yeah.

Phil Labonte (13:06)

I imagine most Egyptians don't want that either. Whenever the Palestinians get. So he comes here to, you know, try to overthrow the government.

Roman Nation (13:13)

Wasn't the same reason why you have people that are on the streets that they're like, you know, pro Palestine or whatnot and say, okay, why don't you let them come into your home and stay with you? And of course they're going to say absolutely not or they walk away. Yeah, but I, or even with immigrants.

Phil Labonte (13:28)

I think when it comes to, at least with this context, like the guy, you know, he really didn't like the Jews. Like that was the, the driving factor. He didn't like Israelis. And you know, the people that were here were connected because they're Jewish.

Tim Pool (13:40)

So I Mean is there was, was Jewish the actual motivation? Because I know he was talking about, he was screaming free Palestine. See, Fox News called it an anti Semitic attack. And I'm like, okay, but they didn't actually explain why it was anti Semitic. They explained why it was anti Israel or anti Zionist. If they're just saying that anti Zionism is anti Semitic. Okay, but they didn't explain that either.

Phil Labonte (14:02)

That makes that argument.

Tim Pool (14:03)

Which one?

Phil Labonte (14:04)

That.

Tim Pool (14:05)

All right, I'm asking when Fox News says this, can you please explain what you mean when you say this? Because if, if, if this is important. Did this guy go out screaming he hated Jews? I think that matters. They've. That's not been reported, but they are calling it antisemitic attack. So I'd like to know what their distinction is.

Alad Eliyahu (14:19)

I mean, does that mean it's open season on Jews so long as we call them Zionists when we're attacking them?

Tim Pool (14:24)

Who said that?

Alad Eliyahu (14:25)

No, I'm just saying, I'm saying if we could dress up anti Semitic attacks as anti Zionist attacks and I could go to a synagogue and do what I have to do, but if I say it in the name of anti Zionism, is that just an immediate cover.

Tim Pool (14:36)

For whatever crimes that he attacked people who are, who are bring awareness to hostages. And he. And the issue was Palestine and Israel. And so the question, I'm asking a legitimate question. If they are saying that he hates the Jews, if you're bringing up that he hates Jews, I'm like, what is the reporting that there was motivation on? So I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying what's the reporting on that? I think it's important that we actually have a distinction and we understand the motivations of these people.

Alad Eliyahu (15:03)

I think we like to hold. No, I don't think we do. But people in the media like to hold Israel to a double standard. And we spin up crazy narratives about Israel that drives people to go crazy. And I think that double standard is the anti Semitism. So, for example, like the other today, yesterday, there's a story coming out about how we have a Gaza humanitarian aid program that we're starting there and allegedly 30 Palestinians were killed according to the Gaza Health Administration run by Hamas. And it turns out these numbers are likely completely made up and people become fanatic as a result of this fake news and disinformation spread about Israel.

Tim Pool (15:38)

Yeah, but how is criticism of a government criticism of Jews?

Alad Eliyahu (15:42)

I think it's the double standard held to Israel. People love to scream that Israel's committing Genocide when it blatantly and obviously isn't, and will overlook other genocides that are happening simultaneously.

Tim Pool (15:52)

But that could still just be an Israeli double standard on a Jewish one.

Alad Eliyahu (15:55)

I think the double standard exists because it's the Jewish state. There are so many people who apply the double standard uniquely to Israel because it is the Jewish state.

Roman Nation (16:03)

There's not a lot of Americans that know the difference though, right? No, well, I mean. Well, some, some of them do, but, you know, they know the difference between Israeli and actual Jewish people in America. I mean, you've talked about it on your show a couple of times in that aspect.

Tim Pool (16:17)

What do you mean?

Roman Nation (16:19)

So some certain people don't understand that what's happening over there is not a microcosm of what of, of Jewish people in America and they can't decipher between the two.

Tim Pool (16:31)

I'm just saying that on the news I'm seeing them say this is an anti Semitic attack. And I was like, wow, was this guy like, targeting Jews specifically because they're Jews?

Phil Labonte (16:38)

As far as I know, he, I don't know exactly what he said, but as far as I know, he didn't specify Jews. He was saying Palestine. So, yeah, I mean, I think pro.

Roman Nation (16:49)

Palestine, not anti Jew.

Phil Labonte (16:50)

Well, I don't. Like I said, I, I listened to some of the back and forth and I didn't hear him clearly say anything specific about Jews.

Tim Pool (16:58)

So I just don't like this identity politics issue where it's like when you, you bring up crime stats or whatever they call you racist or something like this. And it's like, look, man, I'm just trying to figure out what the motivations for these things are. And they're, they're. I think the challenge is there are factions of the right and the left that literally just hate Jews and they also hate Israel because it's a Jewish state. And so that's where a lot of this is anti Semitic comes from because the assumption is they must be one of those factions. But then there's anti war, anti interventionist libertarian types, liberals or otherwise, who are like, or conservatives. We don't want to be involved in whatever Israel is involved in. We don't be paying for their, their, their bills. And I think it's, it's not anti Semitic to be critical of a government.

Phil Labonte (17:42)

No, no, no. Like, you know, people like anti war.com, they really, like ride that edge really, really well. And I think that Scott Horton actually, even though it is going to give a lot hives, I think Scott Horton, you know, makes it clear that he's not Semitic, but he's probably, I just.

Tim Pool (18:00)

Call him an anti Israel terrorist or a terrorist or a pro Palestine or a pro Gaza terrorist.

Alad Eliyahu (18:05)

I don't think Scott Horton could string together a sentence that he doesn't shoehorn Israel into. So that's, that's really all I have to add.

Tim Pool (18:13)

There are people who are obsessed with Israel, man, I'll tell you that.

Phil Labonte (18:16)

He's got focus. He's got focus.

Alad Eliyahu (18:17)

So I wanted to go full circle. The playbook that the Trump administration is applying here is great and I think needs to be applied to more far left terrorists that and Islamists that exist and complete continue to rear their heads in our country. And I think the administration will apply this to other people and use it more liberally moving forward. I don't want to turn this into a Jewish sob story because people don't care to hear about Jewish sob stories at all. If Jews want to actually do something to fight back against these people is to arm themselves. Nobody cares to hear about we were victims here or Josh Shapiro is a victim or outside of the embassy. Unfortunately, nobody gives a crap. You actually need to arm and defend yourselves. And that's when people will, I will say the message.

Tim Pool (19:06)

Have we, I will, I will ask this question. Have we seen any Ukraine, Russia style attacks like this in any way?

Roman Nation (19:12)

No, not really.

Alad Eliyahu (19:12)

They've been keeping it in the.

Tim Pool (19:14)

Where like a pro Russian person attack, some, like some Ukrainian activists.

Alad Eliyahu (19:20)

You see Putin do some targeted.

Tim Pool (19:22)

I'm saying in the United States.

Alad Eliyahu (19:24)

Oh, not, not.

Tim Pool (19:24)

Have there been like pro Ukraine people peacefully marching and then a Russia guy is Russia and then attacks them or something?

Phil Labonte (19:29)

Nope. Oh, shocker.

Alad Eliyahu (19:33)

It's like that for a lot of other conflicts too.

Tim Pool (19:38)

Where's, where's the Burmes? Where's the Sudanese? Where's the Somali?

Alad Eliyahu (19:42)

Where are the Native Americans? Andrew Jackson's on the tw.

Tim Pool (19:46)

Where's the peaceful, the peaceful cartel members trying to raise awareness for trend Aragua Ms. 13 and other narco gangs being outraged over what Trump is doing to them.

Phil Labonte (19:55)

It's only Palestine.

Tim Pool (19:57)

That is a joke by the way. Yeah, it's only ever Israel Palestine. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, this is why when that Ms. Rachel, you know she made that video where she's like what's happening there? So I'm like, just, I can't stand these people. Look there, you know, I mentioned this last night. They're going to be people who are like. But she's right, Tim. It's a genocide. Blah, blah, blah, I'm like, I don't care about that. You're allowed to have your issues. Scott Horton is allowed to have his opinions. He's allowed to solely focus on Israel if that's what he wants to do. I got no beef. None. What I can't stand is there are these people who found foreign policy for the first time in their lives. They have literally no idea what's going on in the world and they're just gargling word vomit because they saw it on the Internet. Dude. These people saw a trend in an algorithm and now became their whole world. And I'm like, find some depth in your life.

Phil Labonte (20:42)

No. They're going to say no, Tim.

Tim Pool (20:44)

Yeah, I know.

Phil Labonte (20:44)

Say no.

Tim Pool (20:45)

That's what this is why I don't like TikTok. And it's nothing to do. You know, it's funny because these people ask me about Tick Tock. Like, you want to see Tick Tock banned, but the only reason that they're banning Tick Tock is because of Israel. And I'm like, correct. And they're like, you admit it. And I'm like, it's not a secret, Dave. Everyone knows they're doing it. It doesn't, doesn't. It doesn't excuse China manipulating the algorithms in this country to make people go nuts.

Phil Labonte (21:04)

There are multiple things that the government is using anti Semitism to justify that I would be in favor of even with like without the phrase anti Semitism. Anti Semitism being attached to it.

Alad Eliyahu (21:17)

Like, I think we need to have a serious conversation in this country about what anti Semitism actually looks like and that how the average anti Semitic Semite probably looks a lot closer to this guy than anything else in our country. The average person who overstayed their visa from Egypt or Algeria or Lebanon or Syria is more anti Semitic and willing to commit violence against Jews than any white supremacist Pablo 3% or dumb bull crap group that doesn't or won't actually do anything against right wing. The average, you know, Arab Muslim overstaying their visa again, more likely than not agrees with this person than not. And I think that's something that and is susceptible to commit violence like this. Premeditated violence like this, where he planned this for over a year. He waited for his daughter to graduate before committing this crime.

Tim Pool (22:11)

I will say this too, before going to the next story. I do think what makes it challenging. So racism is overplayed by the left every single day. There was a viral video where a woman got a ticket on her bike for blowing a red light and some white lady cops giving her a ticket. And the woman on the bike is like, you're just being racist. You're racist. And it's like, no, you blew red light, lady. You can't blow red light on a bike. However, people who hate Jews hate Israel as an extension of that. And so there's a, you know, it's a Venn diagram overlap between those who are purely antisemitic standing alongside people who are anti Israel. And then this is where you get that overlap.

Alad Eliyahu (22:50)

I don't think people understand the death cult and culture that a lot of these people come from. This guy is going to go back to his hometown and be welcomed as a hero. He's going to get a hero who's welcome and be praised. If he ever goes back. His family might even get a stipend wherever they end up going back.

Tim Pool (23:05)

But let's jump to the story. Let's jump to this next story from the Post. Millennial Tom Homan says US will deal with national security threats for the next 10 years because of Biden's border policies. Quote, what concerned me the most was they created the biggest national security vulnerability this country has ever seen. He appeared on Fox News. Let's just play the tape, Tom.

Phil Labonte (23:24)

Let's get your first reaction, your first.

Tim Pool (23:26)

Public comments on this issue out in Colorado.

E (23:31)

You know, me, and you've been talking about this for years, Sean. I mean, I worked for the network just before I came back to the second Trump administration. And I've said over and over again, you know what scares me about the southern border? The sex trafficking, right sky high. The Americans dying from fentanyl, the people, you know, all the drugs coming across, all the sex trafficking, all the smuggling. And I said, what concerned me the most was they created the biggest national security vulnerability this country has ever seen. Not only did 2 million known got aways, 2 million people crossed the border. We don't know who they are, where they came from. We don't know where they are now. On top of that, even through the legal process, the Biden administration will bring people unvetted, handing out work fees like their candy while they sat here and planned something bad. We are going to be dealing with this for the next 10 years because of the chaos they created in four years. We're, we're out there kicking butt. We're arresting a lot of criminal aliens. We're out there looking for the bad guy. And when we're out there doing that, Sean, we got protesters assaulting ICE officers, we got members of Congress all over the country, going to ICE facilities, raising hell, saying this is their oversight responsibility. Where was their oversight responsibility when 10.5 million illegal aliens came across the border? Where is the oversight responsibility on releasing over 8 million illegal aliens to this country? Where was the oversight responsibility then? This.

Tim Pool (24:58)

I don't, I don't think it's gonna be 10 years. I think it's been longer. I think 10 million illegal immigrants entering immigrants. We saw Chinese nationals, There are reports about Iranian individuals. There are going to be people here and their, their, their influence and their ideology in their communities. This guy brought his whole family. And so the question is, what happens when the worldview that this guy has, this terrorist, his kids obviously have some form of this. I'm not going to. I mean, what I see happening is this guy gets deported, they're deporting his family. But there are other people that may not be as crazy or extreme, but they will use that influence in that worldview, in politics and try to reshape this country because they were allowed to come in here and they have a view that is anti American. They oppose our interests, our foreign policy, etc. I don't, I think, I think what Biden did is a permanent strike on this country. Now, we can deal with a lot of security issues and mitigate a lot of it, but I think there's a permanent damage, to be fair, like, maybe permanent's a little hard because I think after a certain period of time, it does get washed away. But 10 years is too short.

Phil Labonte (26:07)

Well, not only that, but like when you think of if the, if the next administration doesn't have a serious and sober approach to, to national security and to border security, it's only going to just restart what it's already done, you know?

Alad Eliyahu (26:20)

Right.

Roman Nation (26:21)

And I talked about this in the culture war, remember? I said, can we just walk into another country? Let's give an example. If we, if 10 million of us went to the Mexican border and just crossed illegally, you think they're, they're just going to be like, ah, well, we're just going to welcome you with open arms? No, they're going to send the federale and the, the military and everybody there to round us up.

Phil Labonte (26:41)

Every country on Earth.

Roman Nation (26:42)

Every single country on Earth.

Alad Eliyahu (26:44)

I think the solution here is to overcompensate the other way with an immigration moratorium. If we brought in too many during the Biden administration, we need to bring in too few to make up for that deficit. Now that we did, that we didn't.

Roman Nation (26:55)

Have beforehand, that still doesn't help us, though, I think.

Alad Eliyahu (26:58)

I think it pushes us in the right direction. It starts. So if we start with not another Muslim ban 2.0, but something in that direction, I think that could definitely help mitigate some of the issue. If we deal with blocking the border from Trent gangsters and other people in the cartel that the cartel is manipulating with human traffickers and other things like that, I definitely think shutting down and having an actual immigration moratorium for a couple of years review what's actually going on in our country could definitely help mitigate the risk from these extremists that we haven't vetted at all. And then we could let Stephen Miller and Tom Homan go around and allow ICE to really pick up the worst of the worst and make their way down the list.

Roman Nation (27:37)

Well, they're going to. Well, the issue with that is we're going to have to get through the sanctuary cities. And of course, that's where everybody's going to flee right now.

Alad Eliyahu (27:43)

Yeah, I think some of them are dropping. Some of the sanctuary cities I think are dropping like flies. I think there was one. I think Philadelphia said they were no longer standing by sanctuary city policies. If I'm not mistaken, the Trump admin.

Tim Pool (27:55)

Put out a list of sanctuary cities that Trump said were in. Were engaged in insurrection. And the reason it did that is because that's the qualification for invoking the Insurrection Act. If law enforcement is not being handled at the local level, the president has the authority to call the National Guard to enforce local laws. That's the Insurrection Act. And so they published this list, took it down. Some sheriffs got mad saying, hey, hey, we're trying to work with you on this one. We'll see where this goes. But it does look like the Trump admin is gearing up to send a National Guard to mass deport. I think they're serious about it. I've heard a lot of people say, at this pace, ain't getting done. Stephen Miller was saying, we need 3,000 per day or more. Liberals are claiming Biden was deporting more people under Trump. I don't think that's correct. See, the difference is under Obama, he would. These are turnarounds. They'd stop people. The border, turn them around. They called it a deportation. Under Trump, they're actually going to immigration courts, waiting in the hallways. And when a guy goes in for his hearing and they get denied, they walk out and immediately get placed in cuffs, deported. That's something we've not seen from other administrations. And the deporting of a guy's entire family after he committed a terror attack. Something we've not seen from the other administrations.

Alad Eliyahu (29:06)

And to quickly respond to the sanctuary city stuff, I'm reading a headline right now from the Philadelphia Inquiry. Philadelphia says it's a welcoming city, not a sanctuary city, as the Trump administration threatens funding cuts. So I think that's really the direction the administration is willing to go with every city and that's how they will affect change with their immigration policy. They are going to. Stephen Miller and the other people at, I believe it was American First Policy Institute have been studying the ways to do this for years and now they are effectuating that change in the administration all the ways that they see fit.

Roman Nation (29:38)

So they think that just changing a word or two was just going to, is going to make a difference. I mean this is, well, going back.

Alad Eliyahu (29:43)

And using different laws, for example, the Alien act and threatening fundings at least worked in Philadelphia.

Phil Labonte (29:51)

So just changing a word or two does change what it is because it legally it changes.

Alad Eliyahu (29:57)

You don't need to change the word, change the interpretation. I mean, you don't even need to change the word.

Phil Labonte (30:02)

That is true. Yeah, but I, like I said, I think I said this earlier, but Stephen Miller was talking about how bad, how badly they need to increase the amount of, of deportations. And I think that that's something that the American people still want. Even though you see videos of people yelling at ice. I saw a bunch of those over the weekend. People, people are, are out there in the streets and stuff. Yeah, they're making it, making an issue and they're, there's someone that's complaining because ICE agents are wearing masks and stuff. So that's going on and you see them ramping up. But I, I think that still there's going to be to need to be more like a significant amount more and if they can even start delivering part of it again. All the black pillars that are like they haven't done anything, they haven't arrested anyone, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is another kind of, you know, white pill to them. It's like, look, they actually are really ramping up and being fairly.

Roman Nation (30:51)

Aren't they over 100k already? I believe the last number was like.

Phil Labonte (30:55)

120 million is a lot, man.

Roman Nation (30:56)

It really is.

Alad Eliyahu (30:58)

Pump those numbers up.

Phil Labonte (30:59)

Right. You know, 20 million is a lot.

Tim Pool (31:02)

Well, are we tracking self deportations?

Phil Labonte (31:04)

I don't know, but yet. But, but even if, like, even if, even if we're not or we, we were like, you still have so many people. Like I can't Imagine a million or 2 million people actually left in the past six months that out of self deportation, you can apply that kind of pressure. I believe they can, especially if you start arresting business owners. But as of right now, I don't, I don't think that there's been that many.

Roman Nation (31:31)

You know.

Tim Pool (31:31)

You know, I was thinking, it's kind of scary thought. What does it mean to have political power? Right now you've got the Trump administration and ICE actively trying to deport people because Americans still hold dominant political power in this country, but we are dangerously close to not having that.

Phil Labonte (31:48)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (31:49)

When enough illegal immigrants are operating in this country that they can sway at least half of the political factions of this country, then you will not have the political will to deport anybody. And then you, as sovereign advocates of this nation or advocates of a sovereign nation, it's over. So I was just thinking, like, Democrats would not be doing this. They would not do this. And we are only a few percentage points in the election away from losing the authority of those who believe in a sovereign United States. That's actually pretty terrifying.

Phil Labonte (32:23)

Yeah. It's incredibly important that we don't lose the House and we pick up seats in the House and the Senate. Like, it's incredibly important. And history is against us. You know, the, the party in power regularly loses seats. And there's also the possibility that we don't actually get the economy going enough to start eating away at the cost of living and stuff.

Roman Nation (32:47)

So, I mean, at the rate that we're going now, which is Talking about the 100K, you know, if you're able to get that number to somewhere near maybe a million 1.5, but you do them in very select locations. I mean, there's, there's a possibility that you can, you can pick up even one or two seats.

Tim Pool (33:04)

I got it. Trump should rent out an entire Costco. Right. And then put a big sign over the door saying free citizenship. And when everybody comes in, you got them. And then he can deport like a hundred thousand people just like that.

Phil Labonte (33:20)

I mean, it would be nice, wouldn't it?

Tim Pool (33:22)

Free citizenship. And it's right this way. And then people coming in and free.

Phil Labonte (33:26)

Citizenship back to the country, you know.

Tim Pool (33:29)

Back to your home.

Phil Labonte (33:30)

You got, you already got it.

Tim Pool (33:31)

We don't need to get nothing.

Roman Nation (33:32)

Fine print, sir.

Alad Eliyahu (33:33)

Citizenship that you already have from your home country.

Phil Labonte (33:36)

That's right.

Tim Pool (33:36)

Let's jump to this next story from the New York Post. Vast majority of Americans don't see Dems as a party with strong leaders that get stuff done CNN poll. This is amazing. Check this out. CNN actually lost their mind over this when they were. When Harry Enten was. Was going over this. They say that when asked which party has strong leaders, 40% of American outside Republicans, 16% said Democrats, 43% said neither. Asked which party can get things done, 19% said Democrats, 36% said Republicans. 44% said neither. The Democratic Party is currently having top secret missions. These people are permanent children. They are mentally unstable and unwell. They are not normal. And so call them whatever you want. Histrionic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, narcissistic. All those personality disorders. They got this story about Project Searchlight, Project Wildflower, Project Sam. Democrats don't just have meetings where they sit down like, hey, guys, let's go grab a cup of coffee and talk about strategy. They say, we're gonna go to a resort, spend $20 million on a project name, give it a code name, show up, and then lament to the. To each other as wealthy lunatics why they can't communicate with regular Americans. They need people. They're hiring. I'm gonna pause, guys. I just figured it out. I'm gonna start a consulting firm for Democrats because they're paying millions of dollars for people to tell them exactly what I'm saying right now. Why am I giving it away for free? Look, they're holding meetings to have people tell them I'm not kidding, to dump the WOKE ideology. Like, they couldn't just listen to someone like me who donated the max to like, two or three Democrats in 2020? They're like, no, it's because Tim Pool's secretly right wing. What about Joe? Nah, he's far right as well. Let's hire a consultant for $20 million to tell us what's going on. And he goes, yeah, WOKE is ridiculous. You got to get rid of it.

Phil Labonte (35:27)

You got people like Richie Torres that are. I think he's a congressman that are, you know, a legitimate voice that are saying, look, if the Democrats want to actually be viable again, we have to dump this WOKE stuff. And, you know, he's getting attention, but as of right now, there's not a lot of, you know, proper motion in the. In the Democrat Party. David Hogg is not the kind of dude that is going to be a leader. There's ethics stuff with him, I guess, but, yeah, I mean, I've never seen a political party so lost in my entire life.

Tim Pool (35:59)

It's amazing, isn't it?

Phil Labonte (36:00)

It is.

Tim Pool (36:01)

I mean, look at this. Like, 16%. That's just absolutely wild. 16% said that Democrats had strong leaders. That's a fact. Statement. And that 84% of people who saw that, they get it. There's no Democrats. No.

Roman Nation (36:15)

You got people like, like Gavin Newsom going on Bill Maurer trying to seem like, you know, push himself or shift himself to more of a centrist point of view, as if, like, we haven't seen the last 20 years of his career.

Phil Labonte (36:27)

There are grifters.

Tim Pool (36:29)

They, they, they don't have any consistent ideology. And so this is what's lost. You know, I'll put it this way. The reason why Gavin Newsom isn't going to succeed is not because he, we can see the past. It's not because we know he's a grifter. The fact that he was so callow and spineless when he was governor is why he bent the knee to woke ideology nonsense. He said, tell me what to say and I'll say it. Now that he's coming around and saying, well, you know, I'm being a bit more moderate, it's like, bro, we don't care what you're claiming. Now, the reality is some people may be swayed by it, but the, the reason he's doing is all around as a person. He is a weak person. That means even if he came out and public said it, I am changing my mind and rebranding and I want to be moderate. We'd be like, okay, that's fine. You're a weak person who can't win elections. I get it. He won governor. But I don't see this guy going to the national level. He's like, it's like a, kind of feels like kind of like a B list. You know what I mean? He doesn't have that X factor. He's not a top tier guy. The fact that he was willing to just say whatever Democrats wanted him to say proves it.

Roman Nation (37:41)

He couldn't even beat Ron DeSantis. What makes him think he can go on a national level? I mean, Ron came in, what, third on the national scale?

Tim Pool (37:48)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (37:48)

Yeah. Well, I mean, part of the, part of the reason is because the Democrats have so few options. Like, you've got a, at least a decade or maybe 15 years of Gavin Newsom being the mayor of San Francisco and then going on to governor where he said, we're gonna fix the homeless problem. We're gonna fix the homeless problem. We're gonna fix the homeless problem multiple times, multiple different venues. Says it all the time, and they still have yet to actually fix the homeless problem. He has the amount of history that he has in California and the bad things that have happened while he's the governor or the mayor of San Francisco, all those things are just ripe for the Republicans to tear him apart. I don't see how he actually would be viable beyond being able to raise money. Cuz people like to give him money because of that smile.

Alad Eliyahu (38:37)

I think the differences between the left and liberals within the Democrat Party are irreconcilable and it would behoove Republicans to continue to exploit that divide. And I think they'll be able to win a handful of elections moving forward if they continue to do so. I think the left in the Democrat party has like a hard cap at 30%, but then the other people in the party won't swallow a pill like Alexandria Ocasio Cortez long term. So like I think she could win a primary but that lose hard in a general election. And I think the Republicans could make the situation such that you know that they're going against these types of people.

Tim Pool (39:11)

I don't, I don't, I don't think ideology matters as much. It certainly does because WOKE is broke. But my point is that AOC Newsom, some of the top names they got, they are weak people. Now don't get me wrong, they're stronger than average. Gavin Newsom obviously won a governorship. Congratulations. I'm saying for the presidency. Donald Trump walks on stage at a rally and imitates a politician body slamming a journalist. He is a strong man. That's why Democrats were screaming he's a fascist. And Republicans are like, I'm on the schoolyard. I want the bully to be in my corner. I want him standing in front of me, protecting me from everybody else and guaranteeing what I want. I don't want to be against the bully. So I see Gavin Newsom. You look at his brand. Let me just say it again like this. A smarmy, wishy washy guy who flip flops to try and attract voters comes off as spineless and weak. Donald Trump says whatever he. Donald Trump keeps defending Operation Warp Speed even when he gets booed. He's like, well you may not like it, but whatever. Look at him when he's at the Libertarian convention and he was like, oh, you don't want to vote for me, then lose? Take your three. It's hilarious.

Phil Labonte (40:21)

Great.

Roman Nation (40:21)

Oh, and just to answer your question, so true.

Alad Eliyahu (40:23)

Donald Trump telling how it is the Libertarian.

Roman Nation (40:26)

Yeah. And just to answer your question.

Tim Pool (40:28)

Thank you.

Roman Nation (40:28)

3% about Gavin Newsom and talking about the homelessness. I'm looking@chat GPT right here. In the last 20 years, California spent $2.8 billion on homelessness.

Phil Labonte (40:39)

The train.

Roman Nation (40:40)

Where is all of that train to?

Phil Labonte (40:41)

Nowhere.

Roman Nation (40:42)

Where?

Tim Pool (40:43)

Oh, yeah, the trend.

Phil Labonte (40:45)

They've spent billions of dollars on this thing and that's 0% of it built, or maybe 0.1%. I think there' one section, like to mark where it's going to start or something. This done nothing with it.

Tim Pool (40:54)

This is how you end up with authoritarianism or, or an emperor. This is how a republic falls to an empire, to an emperor. Because people in California are, are going to get to the point where they're just like, how can, how come we can't build a, a train? What has happened to this country where we literally build a train? They can't do it. Trump's going to come in or something's going to happen where some guy says, vote for me, give me the power, and I'll just do it and I'll ignore everybody else and they're going to vote for a strongman and then they're going to say, in order to build this, we need permits and laws. Passing is like, nope, don't care. And he's going to send in teams, start building, and they're like, you, you can't do that, though. There's laws in place and it'll be like, sue me. This is what happens. People get fed up with broken systems and they just say, do it anyway.

Roman Nation (41:45)

That's what the Democrats do anyway, right?

Tim Pool (41:47)

Yeah.

Alad Eliyahu (41:48)

To further exemplify that point, it's not only on the federal level, where Democrats massively screw things up. Even on the state level, where they're in total power, they manage to screw things up. So in states like California and New York, you can't build, you can't afford a house, rental prices are out of control. And why? Because you can't build anything in any of these states because of the different environmental laws or regulations. And, and everything becomes so burdensome to build in any of these states, as opposed to any of these red states. So they don't manage their own states well. New York City, New York's in a bunch of debt. I'm sure the situation in California is also horrendous, their management of resources. I believe there's a huge water crisis now going on in California that's been ongoing for some time. So the Democrats don't manage the states that they have total power in well, at all. So, you know, on the federal level, people have no faith in them. On the state level, they don't Even have faith in them. So I could see why people have low faith as these polls were showing.

Phil Labonte (42:45)

Like, I mean, we started talking about how bereft of leadership the Democrat Party is, and it's because it's all either old people or people that don't have a realistic view on what the government can do. You know, And I think that Gavin Newsom, for as long as he's been in California government, I think that he exemplifies that. You know, he doesn't. He responds to what he believes the Democrats want as opposed to things that are actually going to be good for California. So, I mean, I don't know. I don't know that the. That they're going to be able to. To find anyone better. I mean, Pritzker, I don't know that he's going to be. I think that he's too big. I think he's. Honestly, he's too fat. I think he's a fat guy. And I think people won't. Won't elect a fat guy like that.

Alad Eliyahu (43:34)

I think. Isn't AOC the clear. Like, isn't that the clear direction the Democrats are going in?

Phil Labonte (43:40)

I mean, maybe, but she's. I know Tim doesn't think that a woman would actually win. I think that she could get the primary, though.

Tim Pool (43:50)

A woman will win when both. Both parties put up a. Put up a woman. And people have no choice when It's Nikki Haley versus AOC so I was watching.

Alad Eliyahu (43:59)

I was watching 36.

Tim Pool (44:01)

I was watching this video today on Google's Gemini Glasses or whatever. There's this young Asian woman, and she's wearing glasses, and she's like. She looks at a bookshelf, then turns away and says, okay, I didn't see what that book said, but maybe Gemini did. And then she goes, gemini, can you tell me what the white book was called? And then this AI Voice. AI Voice comes on, and it's a woman who says, the white book was titled this, that, or otherwise. The AI Voice had vocal fry. And I mean, it was like, I hate Google. And I was like, why are they doing a presentation where their AI Voice is. Isn't using vocal fry, where they talk like this? Like, why. Why would it do that?

Phil Labonte (44:42)

I don't know.

Tim Pool (44:43)

Because for one, it wasn't really an A.I.

Phil Labonte (44:45)

Oh, okay.

Tim Pool (44:46)

I'd assume it was just a woman reading a script they were claiming was AI or they trained their AI to do vocal fry. Here's the thing. A lot of people don't notice vocal fry. It is common among prominent women in Media, they try and they, for whatever reason, but it, it's off putting to a lot of other people who notice it right away. So this young woman who was introducing it was not using vocal fry, which gives her a higher pitched voice. It's her natural register. But there are a lot of women that try and talk with a lower register. So they push their voice down and they'll talk like this and it goes real low and you hear that rasp. And a lot of people are annoyed by that. This is why I think AOC and many women cannot win. And the left should agree with me on this one. Inherent sexism, call it whatever you want. Some people said, yeah, but what about Margaret Thatcher? Why? Because in a parliamentary system, you vote for the party, not the person. So you're voting for a party and then they put a woman. But for a presidential system, you think like, let me ask you guys, honestly, how tall is AOC? 5 4.

Alad Eliyahu (45:46)

She's short, something like that.

Tim Pool (45:47)

5, 4. So Kamala Harris on the presidential debates asked for a smaller podium so that on camera, relative to her body size, she didn't look tiny. It's another example. Every time I meet somebody, they say, like, oh, wow, you're a lot taller than I realized. Because our cameras are positioned above head length. Whereas most shows, like Fox News, for instance, they, they, they do, they do what's called blocking. So our table is. We're all sitting around the table. If we were going to do blocking, like a T, like cable tv, we'd all sit on one side of the table and then the cameras would be at chest height. What ends up happening is those that are watching the video, they will see as though they are five and a half feet tall. So like in movies, for instance, this is what they do. The cameras are always held at chest height. So women who are 5 foot 2 look pretty big on the screen. They look like they actually fill out the entire screen. And then you see them in person, you're like, wow, they are tiny. This is what was going on with Kamala Harris. She wanted a smaller podium so that relative to her body size, she looks big on the podium. Because Trump is very large. People vote based on height. People vote based on depth of voice. Aoc, when she went to that rally, it's the perfect example where she was hooting and shaking her fist and she was going, let's go. Yeah. I'm like, let's talk about Nixon and Kennedy, where everybody said, I was just.

Roman Nation (47:14)

About to say that too.

Tim Pool (47:15)

On radio, radio versus tv, on tv, everybody Said Kennedy won because Nixon was all sweaty and disheveled looking on radio. Everyone said Nixon won because they couldn't see it. Now what happens when AOC and Trump are on the, are on podcasts or radio? People are just listening and they're not watching and they hear. Well, I'm going to tell you why we want to run this versus look, what I'm going to do is I'm going to punch him in the face hard and strong. People don't understand these subtleties. They don't believe in them. And it's fascinating to me because if it were not correct, Coca Cola would not be spending billions of dollars on market research every year to figure out the perfect way to sell, to sell you something. All of these major ad campaigns craft the perfect way to sell things. And I'll tell you this too. There'd be no political consultants telling people to wear colored ties, saying you gotta wear a blue colored tie with these stripes. Now look, sitting here in front of you guys, AOC versus me arguing over what we should order for food, probably not going to be much of a difference because it's six, seven people. She's going to say, I think we should be doing this, that or otherwise. And it's going to be like, you know, pizza does sound pretty good. And I'm going to say, well, you know, I kind of, I kind of would like hot dogs. And then the whole Internet erupts with conspiracy theories over us choosing to order Chicago style food. Besides the point, however, when you're dealing with 100 million voters, 8.01% fractional change can swing the entire election. So while we don't care personally, and these liberals might be like, who cares if AOC has got a high pitched voice? If 0.01% of people do, she loses.

Roman Nation (48:48)

Especially now. Yeah, because they don't, they don't have much room. Especially after this last election.

Tim Pool (48:53)

They have no room.

Phil Labonte (48:54)

They, they, Yeah, I mean they're, they're literally as, as lost of a political party as I've ever seen. They have no leader. Their actual platform has a significant number of very, very unpopular positions. And they don't have the ability to kind of moderate on those positions because the, the extremists are the ones that are the activists and they tend to.

Roman Nation (49:19)

Be, well, not just that, but also the establishment that's been in charge for so many years. They didn't, they didn't go to the bench and start developing other talents. Right. They've been in charge for so long. I mean, look at how long Pelosi's been there and Maxine Waters and things like that.

Phil Labonte (49:35)

Yeah, I'm not sure the level of, you know, AAA that, you know, they have down there for Congress people. I'm sure.

Tim Pool (49:44)

Let's jump to this next story. We got this one from Unilad. AI startup valued at $1.5 billion collapses after it's found to actually be 700 engineers pretending to be bots. The engineers were largely from India, so I hear. They say tech pros have been left gobsmacked after learning a 1.5 billion dollar AI business. Builder AI has been operating behind an AI facade since 2016. The British company emerged on the scene as a pioneering platform allowing businesses to create applications with minimal coding. But now it's been revealed the code actually came from around 700 human developers and programmers from India who were tasked with acting like an AI bot. Imagine you're on chat GPT and there's actually just like a bunch of dudes in California just typing away a bunch.

Phil Labonte (50:31)

Of guys in ralph.

Tim Pool (50:31)

So to, to, to correct myself from earlier, it wasn't a Microsoft company. It was, it was a builder AI, had made partnerships with Microsoft and had secured a $250 million investment from Qatar Investment Authority reports International Business Times. In total, it accumulated more than $450 million in funding from leading investors like Microsoft and the World Bank's ifc, among others. Okay, so, so Microsoft was an investor, yet Builder AI filed for bankruptcy protection and entered insolvency proceedings as per its statement on LinkedIn last month. According to Bloomberg, the company plummeted after a major lender of viola credit, which had given the company a $50 million loan, withdrew 37 million from its accounts and left builder, which is 5 million. The move essentially paralyzed the company from fulfilling payroll duties or maintaining its core operations. This is, this is amazing. I wonder how many other companies are, are doing things like this. I've heard similar stories that you think you're talking to chat bots and it's just some dude in India and these were jokes at first, like, but now it's real.

Roman Nation (51:34)

This has some FTX vibes to it almost.

Tim Pool (51:37)

Yeah. Did you guys, did you guys see that AI tool that removes accents from people?

Alad Eliyahu (51:42)

No.

Phil Labonte (51:43)

You've mentioned it.

Tim Pool (51:44)

Yeah. So like Indian call centers, when they sound like this, when they turn on the AI, they sound like this. And then people don't know they're talking to, you know, like Maurice or something. It's Maurice.

Alad Eliyahu (51:57)

So I think there are a lot of practical, real world uses for AI. However, I am a non believer writ large at all of the promises we are made about AI. So I think we are going to see companies like this and adjacent companies who use related technologies crash. I think we're in a huge bubble. We're being sold a false, a false bill of goods with, I think with AI. Oh, it's going to transform the world and, and everything's going to change and we're going to get, all of your jobs are going to be gone and, and whatnot. I'm not yet a believer in all of this. With the amount that I've seen the stock market go up based on different AI hype. I don't think the, the jump in stock justify is justified by, by any of this back end stuff. And I believe we are in a huge bubble. People are jumping dropping billions of dollars into this. I believe Donald Trump recently he took a trip to the Middle east where they also promised like a billion some odd dollars in AI. Everybody and their mother is dumping their money into this. It's hard to see how it isn't overvalued at least at this state.

Tim Pool (52:57)

And if anybody, it's a weapons race. And so even if it is, like here's the crazy thing guys, this is where the money's at. You're doing a startup. Just put AI in front of whatever it is you're doing and you'll get $1 billion. I'm half kidding. But it's so valuable and the fear is so real that they literally had 700 Indian people typing away pretending to be AI chat bots and they were able to generate hundreds of millions in investment.

Alad Eliyahu (53:22)

If you incorporated any aspects of AI into this show, wrote about it in the description and then try to sell the company, you'd be able to quadruple your even more.

Tim Pool (53:30)

Hold on guys, brainstorm. Let's go to some investors and say we have an AI powered podcast generator that can help you craft any podcast so long as it's voiced by some like late 30s to middle aged men with only four distinct voices. And we'll make a podcast on anything.

Alad Eliyahu (53:52)

AI this is AI right now. I'm what you think I'm a real person? You think this obnoxious Jewish person exists in real life? No, this is a, it's a character made out of the Internet, you know, typed in prop. Well, what we did was annoying Jewish.

Tim Pool (54:04)

Journalist and we, we cast on Craigslist looking for an annoying Jewish guy and then a lot answered. We put him in one of those 3D body scanners and Then we had him read how Now Brown cow and unique New York, among other sentences. And now we just AI generate a lot.

Roman Nation (54:20)

There are sites out there that, that, that do this for a living. Like I actually just tried one the other day and I'm waiting for my results to come back to see how my voice works with the, with the AI.

Tim Pool (54:30)

Check this out. Let me play this, Let me play this video.

Phil Labonte (54:33)

Hello, my name is Manoj and I'm.

Tim Pool (54:35)

A call central agent from India.

Phil Labonte (54:37)

Clear communication is vital for my customers and me, but accent barriers can sometimes make it challenging. That's where crisp accent conversion comes in.

Alad Eliyahu (54:47)

Let me show you the voice preservation mode in action.

Tim Pool (54:51)

Just listen. This mode keeps my original voice intact while softening challenging parts of my accent.

Phil Labonte (55:01)

It helps customers understand me better, improving satisfaction on both sides of the call.

Alad Eliyahu (55:07)

I can still hear that.

Roman Nation (55:08)

I'd still be freaked out though.

Tim Pool (55:10)

But he said, he didn't say get rid of. He said softens, softens.

Phil Labonte (55:13)

Honestly, that's preferable. To be honest with you, if you're trying to do something or understand someone, yeah, that is preferable.

Tim Pool (55:19)

I don't mind Indian call centers to a certain degree because if it's like two in the morning and my card's not working, like what am I going to do? Like wake somebody up? No, no. There's a guy in India where it's the middle of the day and he answers the phone, it's, I mean, it's not to be a dick, but I can't understand what he's saying. But at least he unlocks my card for me.

Phil Labonte (55:36)

Yeah, but like I said, I, I think that I would rather have AI soften someone's accent as opposed to being like, oh, I can't understand them. I can't do what it is that I'm trying to do.

Tim Pool (55:49)

But I'd be honest, I'd rather, I'd rather just talk to a functional modern AI than a call center person who can't understand what I'm saying. Like, dude. And a lot of people agree, like, I'm half kidding about they're awake at two in the morning and they can fix my card for me. But I have been on the call enough times with people who can't speak English very well and we struggle to communicate because first of all, like, the quality of a phone call is not very good. Just right off the bat, then, then you've got accents on top and we're trying to do the. What, what is it? What is it? What is the Alphabet called when you, you know, foxtrot Echo. What is that called?

Phil Labonte (56:24)

Oh, phonetic alpha.

Tim Pool (56:25)

Phonetic Alphabet. It's like, I'm on the phone and they're like, what's your name? And I'm like, tango. What's I?

Phil Labonte (56:31)

India.

Tim Pool (56:31)

India.

Phil Labonte (56:32)

See, I don't even know Tango. India Mike. But look, that is. That, That's.

Tim Pool (56:37)

I would rather an AI, A modern AI now, the reason I don't like the old school AIs, the. Okay, I, I. You know what I do. I'm let you guys in on a secret. I've exposed this secret before. There is but one word you need to say if you ever get a robot to get a human earmuffs for your kids.

Roman Nation (56:56)

Oh, fuck.

Tim Pool (56:57)

Oh, I just do that. I'll just be on the phone and I'll. I'll call like, you know, service or whatever, and it'll go, hey there, I'm your customer service rep. How can I help you today? I go, fuck. And he goes, it sounds like you're having trouble. Let me connect you with an agent. And I'm like, yep, yeah, it's perfect. Yeah. Because the problem is those versions of the AI are limited in what they can do. Modern AI should actually be able to understand you better. So it's, it's annoying when, like, you have an issue with your credit card that's not specific. Like, they'll say, if you're, if you're dealing with fraud, press one. If you're dealing with this, press two. And you're like, okay, well, it's kind of a weird thing. My card got rejected. I'm trying to figure out why. I don't even know what I'm supposed to go to. And then the annoying thing is you're like, card declined. It's like, like, sounds like your car was declined. Let me connect you to an agent. Then you get an agent, and she's like, what happened? You're like, my cards and the clients. Oh, that's a different department. Let me transfer you.

Phil Labonte (57:51)

Oh, God.

Tim Pool (57:52)

Right, so just give me a modern, functioning AI that can do it all, and I'm good with it.

Phil Labonte (57:58)

I mean, I, I understand that, what you're saying. I'm. I'm just not so sure that there are AI that are capable of actually helping nowadays still, let me tell you.

Tim Pool (58:07)

I think so Chat. GPT has gotten crazy. So we went to. We checked out the skate park at Charlestown, and there were a bunch of these weird little black bugs with white spots on their backs, and they were running around all crazy, and we couldn't tell what they were I took a picture uploaded to ChatGPT and said, what is this? It said, they're lanternfly nymphs.

Phil Labonte (58:29)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (58:30)

Those nasty, invasive bugs. And I was like, wow. I was driving today to go get dinner, and we saw one of those big industrial silo facilities with a conveyor belt. And I'm like, I don't know what that is. Took a picture upload and said, what is this? Not only did it tell me what it was, it told me where it was and the name of the company and what they did in great detail. That's crazy. I mean, kind of terrifying.

Roman Nation (58:49)

My wife does that when she goes on. On hikes with the kids. Right. And she goes out and takes pictures of plants. And there's an actual app out there.

Phil Labonte (58:56)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (58:56)

It's called Picture this.

Roman Nation (58:57)

Picture this. Exactly. And you could take a picture of the plant. It'll tell you if. If what it is, whether it's dangerous or not. And if you do happen to come in contact with a dangerous plant, what you can do to. To help yourself.

Tim Pool (59:10)

What. Chat GPT is crazier than that now. So here's, here's. I love Picture this. I've had it for a while because we got a bunch of weird fruits going all over the place. And so I walk up to a plant and I see a red thing on it. You take a picture, you upload it, and they'll say, that is a whatever plant. And then you scroll down and you're looking for if the fruit is edible or not. It's not there. Sometimes they have the information, sometimes they don't. So, like, we have frost grapes everywhere, and it'll be like, this is a frost grape, and like, they're edible and you can eat them. Then there's warnings like, too much of this is bad. But sometimes there will be, like, seed heads on certain plants or fruits, and it doesn't tell me. ChatGPT literally does everything. Here's the crazy thing. I can take a picture of a building in a random location and it'll tell me where it is. So we were on the highway, and it's all fields, and there's this big, massive structure with a silo and a conveyor belt going up to it, and you see them from time to time when you're driving around. And I'm like, I. I don't know what that is. Is it like corn? Is it grain or something? Picture upload a chatgpt. What is this? It explained it was likely a concrete factory or asphalt based on the shape and size and everything. And then I said, here's the location. And it was like, this is this company founded in this time, at this point, with this many employees. Everything was in it. It just knew it all.

Phil Labonte (60:27)

Yeah, I mean, that kind of stuff is mundane nowadays. That kind of access to information, which is. It's crazy to think about it, but, you know, we are living in a world where your car. Where there are multiple cars that can do the driving for you. Now.

Tim Pool (60:39)

Now here's what's crazy. I took a picture of one of our buddies who's a prominent pro skater. I uploaded it and said, who is this? And it said, I cannot identify people. You know, it actually can. And in this instance, my. My homie who I took, it was Cody Mack. I took a picture of Cody Max, famous pro skateboarder. And I'm like, oh, come on, dude. Like, this dude's pictures all over the Internet. He's got hundreds of thousands of followers. If you Google search him and you can look up all of his career, his videos, his contest rankings, he's not a secret guy. Chat GPT is just choosing not to identify people for privacy reasons. But, you know, that means open AI knows where you are when you're there, what you're doing. So does Facebook, so does Google. That's where it's getting really crazy that these companies built this technology and they have a weaponized version behind the scenes that you don't get access to. I bet they can tell by the way you walk who you are. I bet if you put on a mask, put on, put on a mask and a trench coat, started walking, it would be like, here's who this is based on. You. It's gonna know your height, your gate, your gait. It's gonna be like, I. Exactly. I know that is.

Phil Labonte (61:43)

I have a friend that, that works in like the defense industry. And he's like, look, man, they can already like literally just attach something to the. To the pipes that have your water in it. And they can listen to what's going on inside a room by stuff like that. I don't know how true that is. This is. You know, I believe it said he's.

Alad Eliyahu (62:02)

They could probably just tap your phone, like Pegasus their way into your right.

Phil Labonte (62:06)

Shoot a laser onto someone. If you shoot a laser on the window, you can actually. The window moves enough. You can hear the vibrations inside. You can hear people talking.

Tim Pool (62:14)

So that's been around for a long time.

Phil Labonte (62:15)

Yeah, that's been around for a long time.

Roman Nation (62:17)

Is that the same way that, that when you have the cans and the string. Yeah, across, across from your.

Phil Labonte (62:22)

It's literally like an, it's like a speaker dump. You know, the glass moves, you know, fractions of an inch.

Tim Pool (62:29)

But when you. So you can look it up right now I, I got the Wikipedia for. Because this is kind of hard to believe. It's called the laser microphone. Check this out. A surveillance device uses a laser beam to detect sound vibrations in a distant object. It You Basically since 1947, the Soviets had it. You put you, you point the laser at glass. It's infrared laser. You can't even see it. And it's, it's picking up the vibrations on the glass and it can transcribe it into sound for someone to listen to. That's crazy.

Phil Labonte (62:56)

So they, and they do have stuff where you can, you can listen to the sound of someone's step and you. And they can figure out someone's gate and they can, they can follow people, you know, via that type of audio monitoring and stuff. It's crazy. The stuff they can do like this the Dark Knight was far fetched back like whatever 2008 or whatever. I'm pretty sure they, they can do that nowadays. Like the cell phones kind of just, you know, mapping the whole inside of a building and stuff. Or in that case the whole city. I think that that's actually possible.

Tim Pool (63:30)

Now that's crazy. Let's jump to this story, get a little cultural. Mr. Beast says he's broke. Mr. Beast claims he has very little money and asked his mom to pay for his wedding. He's lying.

Phil Labonte (63:42)

Yeah, I don't believe that.

Tim Pool (63:43)

Mr. B said online that he has very little money despite his high net worth. He admitted that he had had to ask his mom to help pay for his wedding. He claimed it was because he reinvests everything. Despite being reportedly worth an estimated $1 billion. He claims he has very little money. Responding to a post on x which described Mr. Beast, whose real name is Jimmy Donaldson, as the only billionaire under 30 to have not inherited his wealth. The YouTube star with more than 400 million subscribers responded late on Sunday, quote, actually, I'll just show you. I think that right here. I personally have very little money because I reinvest everything. I think this year we'll spend around a quarter of a billion on content. Ironically, I'm actually borrowing money from my mom to pay for my upcoming wedding. Wedding, lol. But sure, on paper the businesses I own are worth a lot of not. It's kind of funny like by what qualification can he call himself a billionaire? I think what a lot of people need to understand. And this one matters. It pertains to taxes and how the left views things is for one. I'm going to say this real quick. He's lying. He has a lot of money and reinvest is, is. Is, you know, clever. It's not legit. But anyway, I digress. What does it mean that he's a billionaire who determined that he's worth a billion dollars for. For Bezos, for Elon Musk. All of this stuff is just basically someone declares it to be true.

Roman Nation (64:56)

By what qualification is he broke? Let's start from that end, right?

Tim Pool (65:01)

Well, I said he has very little. He didn't say broke. He had very little money. But here's the trick, right? When you post a picture of yourself standing from a private jet holding, you know, I don't know, several hundred dollars, maybe a thousand dollars, that. Maybe that just not his. Maybe this is fake. Fake influencer shenanigans. The other thing is he doesn't need to reinvest. And when he reinvests, which includes buying himself a private jet. Come on, you're not broke.

Alad Eliyahu (65:28)

So maybe he goes into debt when he's spending a ton of money on a video, but then as soon as the video production comes out, I'm sure the ads he runs are hundreds of thousands of dollars. The ad placements probably on his videos, let alone other sponsorship deals, let alone his chocolate company that he owns or other candy he sells. So maybe if you're doing some funny.

Phil Labonte (65:50)

Food joint that he owns and the.

Alad Eliyahu (65:51)

Fast food joint, if you're doing funny accounting, I'm sure he's broke at the moment until the next video drops and then he makes a ton of money and. And then he's. He has money until he spends it all, which then he's broke all of a sudden. So it's like I'm broke until I get my next paycheck.

Tim Pool (66:04)

Or. Or he's doing a $40 million wedding.

Alad Eliyahu (66:06)

Sure need my mom to pay for.

Tim Pool (66:08)

My wedding because it's $40 million in.

Roman Nation (66:09)

Front of the Taj Mahal.

Tim Pool (66:10)

Yeah, something like that.

Roman Nation (66:12)

But how many Good.

Tim Pool (66:13)

No, no, no, go for it.

Roman Nation (66:14)

Yeah, but how many. How many supercars has he destroyed in each of his videos? Right? Because if you, if you look back, I mean, it's at least 10 or 15 videos I've seen where he's had Bugattis. He's got Lamborghinis, he's got all these different cars that he destroys, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't pay for them all. I'M pretty sure they either. They. I was talking to Kellen about this earlier. It's like when you. When you're trying to promote something or someone's trying to promote something or trying to see if. If it can survive certain climates or whatnot, or certain things, they'll lend them one just to destroy, just to see what happens. Right.

Alad Eliyahu (66:48)

I think, all things considered, though, I think Mr. Beast does live relatively modestly compared to how other people in his position would. This fun, this picture that you pulled up. He was posting it ironically, trying to look like, I don't know, you know. Yeah, he. I don't like this ironically.

Tim Pool (67:04)

I don't like Mr. Beast.

Alad Eliyahu (67:06)

That's more of the Mr. Beast you'd see. He kind of reminds me of like a. I don't know, white, white T shirt and sweater vibe. Like, he's clearly not going to. He's not trying to flex too hard. And I think that's why his other post was ironic.

Tim Pool (67:17)

I. I think it's great when he tries to sell people. He. He was talking about before about when he does the social good videos. He makes the least amount of money. But I can't stand that he got big off of having poor people claw each other's faces off for 100 grand. You know what I mean? It's just. It's so merciless.

Phil Labonte (67:35)

One step above bomb fights.

Tim Pool (67:36)

It is. Seriously, man, that's crazy. Now what I will say is this. People probably think he makes more money than he does. Than he does. So let's say he does a video. Actually, let me. Let me just pull up Mr. Beast on YouTube and take a look at his. One of his latest videos and, and we'll take a look at the. I'll give you guys the. I'll give you the breakdown on numbers. I know all the numbers. Right. How much money does he make? Things like that. So 10 days ago, let's grab this here. 10 days ago, got a hundred million views. So I think he may have gotten off that video. Let me do some math. It In YouTube view revenue, maybe about a million bucks off one video, maybe more.

Alad Eliyahu (68:20)

But then the sponsorships.

Tim Pool (68:22)

There's a cap.

Alad Eliyahu (68:24)

Okay. Yeah, I'm sure Mr. Beast is a one of one type, you know, type of content creator on.

Tim Pool (68:30)

The platform, though most of your money in these sponsorship deals are going to come from direct sales. So a YouTube video that gets 100,000 views on YouTube might bring in between 500 and maybe $2,000, depending on how long it is. But let's just say we're talking like a 10 minute, 15 minute video. 100,000 views. Average CPM might be 500 to 1,000 bucks. That means that if he's doing 100 million, he might be hitting around, you know, 500,000 to a million bucks. But when you do direct sales, you, you hit on average like a $20 CPM. He can probably sell at a premium, but there's going to be an upper limit. So if you get a million views on a show, you should be able to get maybe like $20,000 for one read. Some of the biggest podcasts that are getting like 3,4 million will sell for like 50 grand for a single ad read. But now ask yourself which companies can afford to spend more than that on a single ad read? Not very many. So when Mr. Beast is doing ad sales for sponsorships, the companies are probably going, we, we can't afford $3 million for an ad read. I mean, you have a hundred million views. We're not going to give you $2 million for one ad read. We can't do it. Some companies can. So there's going to be an upper limit to how many, how many views he get, how much money you can get off of each view. So he's probably making millions per video. It's probably not as much as people think because it's a diminishing return the more views you get.

Alad Eliyahu (69:59)

What do you think of people who call him like the modern day game show host, like our generations game show host type character?

Tim Pool (70:07)

Well, yeah, I mean he is, but you know, I, I, I actually, I'm not a fan. It's not personal. I explored a 2000 year old ancient temple. I'm, I'm not, and I'm just generally not a fan of this type of like, I don't know, man, he, he went inside the pyramids because he's rich and was able to do it. Something that people go to prison for life for or can get executed for actually. I don't know if they execute you. I think, I think there might be something like that. If you damage the pyramids, you might get the death penalty in Egypt. So. But he's, he's, he's super rich. He can just buy his way in and do all these things. Would you risk drowning for $500,000? That's not crazy. Not really a fan of any of it. Like some of these stories, man, are merciless. I was watching one video and it's like somebody is like, you know, my mom's really sick and this $10,000, can you know, get her help, pay for a kidney treatment. He's like, well, I hope you win. And you got to swim through a puddle, through a. Through a field of piss. And if you succeed, maybe your mom will live. You know, it's fine.

Alad Eliyahu (71:11)

My complaint about Mr. Beast is that I think the videos are actually kind of soft because I grew up in the Fear Factor era with Joe Rogan of, like, I don't know, eat cow balls or some and still lose.

Tim Pool (71:20)

You know, I gotta, I gotta. I gotta be honest. Like, those are called Rocky Mountain oysters. And when in what. I. I never understood Fear Factor except for what got the show canceled, but it was like, fear Factor today you've gotta eat pig intestines. And I was like, I had pig intestine tacos, like, last week. The Mexican restaurant chitlins. Yeah. But I guess Fear Max.

Alad Eliyahu (71:43)

Joe Rogan, though. No, no, that's a worse job than Joe Rogan did on Fear Factor.

Tim Pool (71:46)

I'm saying, it's like Fear Factor was, in order to win, you have to eat food. And I was like, okay. Like, they made someone eat an eyeball. And I'm like, people eat eyeballs. Like, it's weird to me that people were like, oh, no. This part of an animal that is totally edible and safe to eat. I'm grossed out by. It's like, okay.

Alad Eliyahu (72:06)

I guess we were fascinated by the. The balls part.

Tim Pool (72:09)

I think that's Rocky Mountain oysters. They call them Rocky Mountain oysters.

Alad Eliyahu (72:13)

This animal balls this animal.

Phil Labonte (72:16)

But, I mean, you were fascinated.

Tim Pool (72:17)

Now, you know I got the show canceled, right? No, I, I, you know, we want to be family friendly, but let's just say this. A guy, like, they had. They told people they had to drink, like, a pint of animal emissions, if you know what I mean. And the network was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are we doing here? Yeah. Not okay. I like a lot of what he does. It's just that some of these things where it's like, making people do these. This de. Denigrating and humiliating thing because they're so desperate for money is just so awful.

Alad Eliyahu (72:49)

Yeah. It's throwing money at people who are desperate for it makes good content. But, I mean, we all love to see poor people have a chance at some money. I think there's also a gross thrill of seeing them struggle for it. Right. Like, they need money, and here's the opportunity and. And it's like the emotion and like, oh, you're. You really need this money. Oh, you're about to get it. Oh, wait, no. This Other person who really needed it actually rolled the right number or did the right thing.

Phil Labonte (73:15)

And that is kind of. That, that is kind of gross.

Roman Nation (73:17)

Yeah. But yet my son loves it, watches like every single episode. So it's like, you know, I mean, I go from here.

Tim Pool (73:24)

What, what I will say too is the secret of social media is YouTube decides if you will be rich.

Phil Labonte (73:30)

That's it.

Tim Pool (73:31)

That's seriously all it is.

Phil Labonte (73:31)

That's miserable.

Tim Pool (73:32)

But that's the reality. YouTube will. They can put pressure on the algorithm so that your videos stop coming up and then you slowly just disappear and people go, I used to watch you a lot. I don't know what happened. YouTube stopped telling people to watch you.

Alad Eliyahu (73:44)

Tim, have you considered airbrushing your thumbnails like he does? Look at his face throughout them. Like they almost feel AI generated or I'm sure just very drudged.

Tim Pool (73:53)

He probably, he probably doesn't. So I would imagine what they do for these images is they pull stills from various clips. They don't need to actually have him do. It's a waste of time for, for Mr. Beast to actually go and take a picture of his face.

Alad Eliyahu (74:06)

These almost don't look real. I'm looking at the hundred million dollar car face. They look fake. All of these faces look.

Tim Pool (74:13)

It actually is pretty uncanny Valley, isn't it?

Alad Eliyahu (74:16)

It's something's or heavily airbrushed.

Phil Labonte (74:20)

It's animation. It's like they're drawings.

Tim Pool (74:22)

I, I gotta be honest. Like I, he's. He's a talented guy, he's a smart guy, he's a hard working guy and he does make really great shows. But there's no reason functionally why he should be getting 100 million views per video. Other than YouTube is just like, it's safe family content on the front page.

Phil Labonte (74:41)

Right?

Roman Nation (74:42)

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like my son literally will, will watch. I have to go in his room at 11 o' clock at night and steal his tablet because get out of here. He's watching it.

Alad Eliyahu (74:52)

Well, you do have to give credit to him at least. He stopped platforming. I believe one of the transgender regulars on his show.

Phil Labonte (74:59)

Oh really?

Tim Pool (75:00)

That. That dude's gone.

Alad Eliyahu (75:01)

It's not. He, he is not regularly on the Master Mr. Beast episodes that I've seen recently.

Phil Labonte (75:07)

That's honestly good. Personally, that's what I really.

Alad Eliyahu (75:10)

Maybe a token appearance here or there, but definitely not as big of a feature as.

Phil Labonte (75:15)

I forgot the, the name dressed like a woman.

Tim Pool (75:17)

Yo. It is, it is so wild how like there's so much of this Content where people will go out and just give money and they stage. Oh man, so much of the Internet is fake. Everybody knows it, but it's remarkable how fake it is. There's, there's tons of videos that are popping up that try to be like Mr. Beast where people give big tips and it's fake and you can tell it's script, it's staged because the acting's really bad. But they're trying to do this. There's a ton of videos where people get into fights and it's clearly fake. There's one video, but the people still watch them. They still watch this stuff like a lady's pretending to be a doordash delivery person and then screams a guy out because he didn't tip her. And then they fight and it's just obviously fake.

Phil Labonte (75:59)

Do you think that it's because these things are geared towards young people and young people are less sophisticated in the entertainment that they'll watch?

Tim Pool (76:08)

The one of the big issues that we're facing right now is that algorithms, they certainly understand the demographics they're targeting. But so I was talking to Google Ads several months ago and I was explaining like they were discussing how Google Ads works and like targeting and all this stuff. And I said, I don't see a reason. Like, so when we, when we run ads, we want to target the demographics that make the most sense for us, which is going to be not 18 to 25, it's going to be 25 to like 54, the key demo, which is like 80 plus percent of our audience. And we want to target the Rust Belt, which we do the best in Chicago namely. And they said you can't do that anymore because young people are obfuscating their identities. So if you try and target by age, it's actually your ads probably not gonna run. Most people that are new on the Internet are using privacy, privacy systems and blockers so that Google can't even figure out if they're a man, woman, parent or otherwise. And so those data trackers are becoming useless. And it's like, okay, what does that mean? That means that Instagram can't tell the difference between a 50 year old guy and a 12 year old. And if 12 year olds aren't smart enough to discern when they're watching fake stuff, these views, videos that succeed will target young people in producing content that the young people are likely to watch. And then Instagram will then share those videos with older people and you will get algorithmically driven, a 10 year old focused, algorithmically generated content popping up on your front page.

Roman Nation (77:41)

Yeah, and that's, that's what happens on my Netflix too. Going back to my kids like when they, when they watch on my account before they were born. I've had the same account for, you know, for almost 15 years now. And, and beforehand I used to have like action movies and, and crime and suspense and, and TV shows and all, all kinds of stuff. But now it's with. You got My Little Pony popping up here and there and, and, and, and, and all of these different kid shows. Right? And that's what, that's what ends up happening. You know, they do one show that they watch for, you know, 10, 15 hours and next thing you know, my entire thing is flooded with kid shows.

Alad Eliyahu (78:20)

As far as social media goes, I think there's like a chicken and the egg type problem with people being draw.

Tim Pool (78:25)

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Alad Eliyahu (78:40)

Let's go.

Tim Pool (78:41)

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Alad Eliyahu (78:55)

Fiverr.Com on to sex, drugs, violence, gambling, degeneracy on the platforms. And the algorithm continues to reinforce that. But us as people, we, we are drawn to that for one reason or another. The, the violent clips will get more eyes. The, the sexy clips will get more eyes. The gambling, the money being thrown around will draw more eyes. And you know, is it on the social media platforms to sort of just discourage that or reinforce the things that many people are already looking and, and exciting them on the platforms.

Roman Nation (79:24)

That's how they make their money. Yeah, that's how they make their money. It's, it's, you know, more, more eyes. There's more ad revenue. More ad revenue? No, just this vicious cycle, you know.

Alad Eliyahu (79:32)

And I've become like painfully aware of it as I cover different protests and as I'm about to post something that falls into one of those trends, whether it be a girl at a woman's march with her top off for whatever reason that's going to get more views than just some chick with a sign. If, if there's a BLM protester fighting as opposed to Just marching with some stupid chicken that's obviously going to get a lot more eyes. So it's just something to consider with a race to the bottom type feeling on social media platforms.

Tim Pool (79:59)

Dean Withers, for instance, that liberal guy, he went on Jubilee, he got a lot of attention because he like, what do you like, Gish Galloped Ben Shapiro or something? All he does now is interview random stupid people and it works for him. And so this is, this is the play. I mean, with all due respect to Charlie Kirk, he does these college tour videos where he debates. And Ben Shapiro did this too. I mean, look, listen, you want to be a prominent personality on the right, go to universities and debate college kids who have no idea what they're talking about because Ben Shapiro used to do these college tours and those videos would go viral of Ben Shapiro destroys. And it made it massive. Charlie Kirk, right now, probably the biggest conservative personality. Same thing. I see these videos popping up where he's talking to like some 20 year old chick who has no idea up from down and Charlie's, you know, running circles around her and they go massively viral. And it's like, if you do an actual debate and sit down with a prominent personality who is learned and well read, man, people are going to be like, you know, I don't know, because people are going to be like, I don't, I don't really understand what happened. Here's a great example or a great way to understand it. If, if I were to sit down and debate a liberal and they just lied and made a bunch of stuff while sounding angry, it would go massively viral on the left. They would be like, you owned him. Doesn't matter if it's true. What matters is the way it looks. So if they just started saying random things like, didn't you know that Donald Trump recently threw a dog from a bridge? You didn't see the video? This is what I'm talking about. You guys don't know what you're talking about. They'd be like, yeah, tell him. You'd be like, Trump never threw a dog off a bridge. What are you talking about? But it doesn't matter. Angry leftist yelling and conservative equals views. So people like Dean Withers, he's gonna go and interview some like fat middle aged guy and he's gonna be like, oh, you didn't know this? And the guy's gonna be like, oh, I guess not. And he's like, wow, I can't believe Trump supporters. But go actually talk to somebody who's learned and it's not gonna go anywhere.

Alad Eliyahu (81:51)

They love their moral righteousness, Dean Withers.

Tim Pool (81:54)

It's true for the right too. I'm saying, like Charlie KIRK Debating some 20 year old on an issue who doesn't know what she's talking about. And then the whole audience is hooting at her and he's laughing. They go viral. But like have a prominent liberal calmly discuss issues with someone on the right. It's like, you know, get some views.

Phil Labonte (82:12)

Yeah, I mean the, the emotional content is the stuff that drives everything on the Internet.

Tim Pool (82:16)

What I'm saying is, Tim cast IRL is now going to be done live from Shepherdstown University where instead of having guests, it'll just be me sitting in front of the stupidest liberals imaginable where I just say, you're so dumb the whole time.

Alad Eliyahu (82:28)

I was gonna say, you know, the first culture war in person. IRL culture war was really cool. It would be even cooler maybe if you did it on a college campus, invited some libs along.

Tim Pool (82:36)

That's the plan, maybe. Well, the plan is actually to have it open and have libs. You know, we had several liberals at the first event come up and join the debate. So that's the plan moving forward. We've got several dates lined up. We're doing a few more like we did the first one. And I'm also thinking the strategy for colleges is, or for the show in general is always personality, not issue. So it's like asking people to debate one issue for two hours. It doesn't really work because it's like, we've already said this. You know, how long until you've exhausted the topic and you've made your point and what else is there to add? We disagree, we agree. But having individuals who have a set of ideals to be challenged allows for four or five hours. Let's jump to this next story. My friends, guess what? We did this video, we did a segment on this last week. We have footage of Bigfoot, ladies and gentlemen, is this Bigfoot? The answer is no. It's a guy in a suit. But more footage has come out. So this video went viral on Instagram where it showed a furry type humanoid creature seen bristling through the trees. And everyone's like, what is that? What is that? Oh, it's a Bigfoot. And everybody was talking about it. It now the Daily Mail has a closer a zoomed in video showing the Bigfoot. Look at him. Sasquatch. Yeah, it's a guy in a suit.

Phil Labonte (83:57)

Yep.

Tim Pool (83:58)

I just, I hear you go, so that like.

Phil Labonte (84:04)

It'S a Guy in a suit.

Roman Nation (84:07)

It almost looked like Smokey the Bear.

Tim Pool (84:09)

It does look like Smokey the Bear.

Alad Eliyahu (84:11)

Oh, dude, that's so. Obviously it doesn't even look like. Like he's in a convincing.

Tim Pool (84:15)

Wait a minute. Actually, look. That looked like a hat. How do I close that?

Roman Nation (84:18)

That is totally Smokey the Bear.

Phil Labonte (84:20)

Yeah, it's.

Tim Pool (84:20)

Is that a guy in a Smokey the Bear costume?

Alad Eliyahu (84:23)

Small hat.

Phil Labonte (84:23)

Probably a small hat.

Tim Pool (84:27)

A mysterious figure. So it was a Colorado river expedition was traveling down the Logan. Kirk said that he and about 12 others had stopped for lunch and they spotted the creature. Come on. Just put the guy in a suit. It wasn't someone yell that they saw a bear. So he started looking at it. And that's when we realized it was something else. It wasn't a bear. It was standing on the hillside. It was bipedal. The video, which has been viewed millions of times online, shows a large furry figure walking through the dense pine trees. The fact that it's doing this, like, fake hiding behind the trees. It's just some bored guy.

Phil Labonte (84:59)

Yeah, I mean, I'm surprised that there are people that still try and do it, but, you know, try and convince people that they got the big.

Tim Pool (85:07)

Why is it always the same type of blurry, faraway footage of Bigfoot in.

Alad Eliyahu (85:11)

This age of AI Why are we still doing these old tricks? AI can make much better and much more convincing videos, and we're stuck with this. Like, obviously a man in a hat with some grainy footage. Like, aren't we in the future? This is what I'm saying. With AI It's a false bill of goods. Like, even our fake videos are wrong about it.

Phil Labonte (85:28)

But fine. Well, you don't have to agree.

Alad Eliyahu (85:30)

Well, we'll see.

Phil Labonte (85:31)

Well, we will see, you know.

Tim Pool (85:33)

Well, but you guys don't believe in. In Sasquatch.

Phil Labonte (85:37)

I definitely don't believe in Sasquatch now, though.

Tim Pool (85:39)

Yeah, I think.

Phil Labonte (85:40)

But a lot doesn't believe.

Alad Eliyahu (85:41)

I don't believe in Sasquatch. I don't believe in AI. I don't believe in eating the bugs. I don't believe in getting in the pod and having them drive you there.

Tim Pool (85:48)

Well, hold on. It's a difference. You're using believe in different ways right there.

Alad Eliyahu (85:52)

Like AI kind of memeing towards the end. But I think with AI it's promising. It's under delivering and over. Promising for what the bill of goods or being told in the way it will systematically change society and whatnot is. Has yet to be seen.

Phil Labonte (86:11)

Yeah. Once you get AI that can learn and Navigate, like, the real world that we live in properly. You put it into a humanoid body. I think musk is probably pretty, you know, right on. About how many people are going to want to have a robot that can.

Tim Pool (86:28)

You know what I'm going to do?

Phil Labonte (86:29)

Vacuum for them and stuff.

Tim Pool (86:30)

I'm going to get one of those Optimus robots, and I'm going to dress it up like Bigfoot and let it roam around the woods. People back. I found it.

Phil Labonte (86:37)

Wait a minute.

Tim Pool (86:37)

Bigfoot was a robot? Bigfoot was a robot the whole time.

Phil Labonte (86:40)

That's the best fanfic or Chewbacca costume on a robot. How taller than, you know. Yeah, Optimus.

Tim Pool (86:48)

What are they, probably, like, five, seven?

Phil Labonte (86:49)

Yeah, they're definitely.

Tim Pool (86:50)

You know what's funny is, like, this Bigfoot thing right here. It's like, are you kidding me, dude? People were so dumb back then that a guy put on a suit and his buddy took a picture of it, and then they were like, look, it's true. Did people not just, like, get out of here? Like, how did this become prominent?

Phil Labonte (87:04)

People want to believe in Cryptids, man.

Tim Pool (87:07)

Okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. Can we just get, like, a Mothman guy and just take a picture and be like, look, there he is.

Phil Labonte (87:12)

You know, sounds like a fun home.

Tim Pool (87:14)

$20 if you want to come take a look at.

Phil Labonte (87:15)

You probably could do that. Who's the tallest person here? We get Brian to dress up like the Mothman.

Alad Eliyahu (87:20)

I already feel like Serge kind of looks like a caveman or something.

Tim Pool (87:24)

A West Virginia caveman. He emerged from a glacier in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Roman Nation (87:31)

I'll just grab T bone from one of my shows.

Alad Eliyahu (87:33)

You guys want to dress up? Start hanging out in the hills in the Appalachian. Good way to die, I guess. So.

Tim Pool (87:41)

Like an animal and walk.

Alad Eliyahu (87:42)

Hang by the Potomac as people raft by. They'll take pictures of us, put us on the hill.

Tim Pool (87:46)

Actually, that is a really good idea because, like, by the river, you can, like, off the Appalachian Trail, you can go down, and there's just, like, fire pits and rope swings. You just get, like, four Bigfoot costumes, and then you set up camp, put the costumes on briefly as the, like, the people go on. The inner tubes are going by, and then you just act like, you know, Sasquatch or whatever, and then panic and then run away and take the costumes off, put them back in your bag, and go back to eating your burgers or whatever you're doing.

Phil Labonte (88:13)

I just want to be, like, the Sasquatch that's in there ripping butts, just throwing down darts. Smoking cigarettes? No, just smoking cigarettes, man. Just in there.

Tim Pool (88:24)

And then everyone takes pictures of you, and they're like, this proves that Bigfoot is real. That just proves that people wear costumes also.

Phil Labonte (88:29)

I mean, think, you know, chimpanzees, they. They smoke cigarettes. So why not Bigfoot? Makes sense.

Alad Eliyahu (88:36)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (88:36)

I never thought of it, like, when you think of it like that, why.

Tim Pool (88:38)

Do people want to believe in Bigfoot?

Phil Labonte (88:40)

I don't understand any of this.

Alad Eliyahu (88:41)

Life's not exciting enough, man.

Tim Pool (88:42)

Yeah, but believe in aliens or pretend to. I don't know.

Alad Eliyahu (88:46)

I think there's something about the undiscovered on our planet that. That is kind of interesting and beautiful. It's like, you know, generations prior, they had opportunities to discover all these different animals, all these different species, all these crazy creatures, you know, and we lived past that generation.

Phil Labonte (89:03)

I think the ability to overlap matters, though, because there's plenty of things that are unexplored. The ocean depths are almost completely and totally unexplored. And then, like, outside of the. Basically, our. Our solar system is basically unexplored. It's just what we can see. So, like, the fact that you overlap with the woods, right, Your daily life, that you can actually do things in overlaps with this spooky, scary place, which is the woods, where there aren't people. It's that overlap that makes. It makes people that are like that have that. That desire to. To read these stories and stuff. It's the overlap that makes it compelling.

Alad Eliyahu (89:43)

They're like us, but they're different. They're bipedal, they're hairy. It's like my husband's. But.

Phil Labonte (89:48)

Well, because it could happen.

Tim Pool (89:49)

Also, I'm pretty sure that, like, all folklore and mythology is just some dude by himself, saw a coyote or bear, and then he's like. He's. He's walking from one small British village to the next, and then on the way, there's just like, he sees a. And. Oh, I'm sorry, Little person. I think that's an offensive term. We say little person. That's what we say. You're not supposed to say that. And so he sees a little person, and he's walking by, and he's got his stick with the bag on it. And then a little person walks by and goes, sir. And he goes. Then he comes and he was like, there was a wee person. It was a leprechaun, I swear. And it's just like. That was just a guy who was short dude.

Phil Labonte (90:24)

That is how a lot of. That's how, like, stories of giants in the north is because. Because the Swedes are. And the people from Finland and stuff, they're. They're all tall. Yeah. You know, or like the kernel of truth, I think.

Tim Pool (90:36)

What do they say? Like what is it called? Like a porphyria or something. Porphyria.

Phil Labonte (90:40)

Don't know what that is.

Tim Pool (90:41)

It's a disease where you're like anemic, so you're pale and gangly and your hair falls out and then your guns gums recede.

Phil Labonte (90:48)

Oh, so you turn into a zombie.

Tim Pool (90:49)

Vampire.

Phil Labonte (90:49)

Vampire. Yeah. Sounds sufficiently disgusting.

Tim Pool (90:53)

It is kind of funny that like zombies are basically just rabies. Yes, but like fast rabies.

Phil Labonte (90:58)

28 day zombies are fast rabies.

Tim Pool (91:00)

No, I mean like rabies takes a while before you start going. And then you die. Whereas in movies you get by the zombie. You turn to a zombie right away.

Phil Labonte (91:08)

You know why you don't want to. Why? You foam at the mouth when you get rabies.

Tim Pool (91:12)

You're dehydrated.

Phil Labonte (91:13)

No. Well, not only that, but you. It causes you pain to swallow.

Tim Pool (91:16)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (91:16)

So like hydrophobia. Yeah.

Tim Pool (91:18)

People feel anxiety and pain around water.

Phil Labonte (91:21)

That's crazy. So they just the moment you get.

Tim Pool (91:23)

Rabies symptoms, you're already dead.

Phil Labonte (91:25)

Oh yeah, you're doomed.

Roman Nation (91:27)

Scary.

Tim Pool (91:28)

Yeah, but rabies is like because it's, it's because we're talking about like myths. Like where did zombies come from? Some dude had rabies and there was a guy going and like foaming at the mouth and they were like eat.

Roman Nation (91:41)

Three people before he died. Like, well, there.

Phil Labonte (91:44)

Humans have always had like a fascination with like some kind of like zot, like or some kind of like undead stuff. Like whether it be like, you know, the, the voodoo has, has, you know, elements of undead. And then there's like all the Aztec stuff they would. They were worshiping death and, and stuff. So like that's something that human beings have done forever. You know, the humans have always found, you know, sex and death, it's the two most, you know, creating new people and dying is. Is the thing that has been compelling to one of the things.

Tim Pool (92:15)

It's. It's wild to me that there are people who play video games like World of Warcraft Left where it's like you run from the little town center and there's like a man standing there and he's like, if only I had 10 boar skins. Please go out and collect 10 boar skins. People actually sit there and then just mindlessly go until they kill a boar. And then one in three will drop the boar skin. So they kill about 30 go back to the man. And he's like, thank you for the boar skins. And it goes. When you get experience. And I'm just like, why are you willing to do that and not like garden or just, I don't know, work. Why not just have a job, do.

Alad Eliyahu (92:51)

A real life quest and like, I don't know, do tasks for money. And then you can buy things with the money like cool armor or something to transport you from point A to point B. I never got World of Warcraft. I was a Warcraft.

Tim Pool (93:06)

Video games in general because I want.

Roman Nation (93:09)

To be against the green. That's why they don't want to have to just do everything the regular way. And then, you know, that's boring.

Phil Labonte (93:14)

It's also easy.

Alad Eliyahu (93:15)

I get video games if you're a kid, but then you get older, adults.

Tim Pool (93:18)

Are playing it and it's. And they're like, if I, if I get to this level and make this much gold, I'll be able to buy this item from the auction house in World of Warcraft. And it's like the glowing sword of fire or whatever. And I'm just like. Or you can literally buy the glowing sort of fire from the blacksmith down the street if you get a job and do real quests in life. And it's just weird. It's like, I don't know, people. I, I think, I think all this mass media has fried our brains because video games are art imitating life to some degree. It's fantastical. But like, I don't know, a couple hundred years ago, kids are probably excited about working, saving up and buying that rifle or that sword or that bike or whatever it was. And they were like, oh man, I can't wait to buy that thing. It's going to be really awesome. And now it's like, I can't wait to go do nonsensical virtual work for no reason so that I can buy an item I don't own that exists only in this video game.

Phil Labonte (94:09)

I guess it depends on which video game you're talking about. But the. There is a lot of, a lot of the goal oriented stuff that you get in video games. You're trying to complete missions or complete the whole. Whatever a whole game or whatever that kind of stuff is. It gives them the sense of accomplishment without actually doing much and having to really exert yourself. So it's.

Tim Pool (94:31)

Yeah, it's like, yeah, you know, that's probably, you're probably right. It's basically like in the real world nobody screams and lifts you up and you jumps around because you completed an eight hour shift at work. But in a video game you can beat one level and it's like you did it and then you get that dopamine hit for doing something not particularly hard, but feels great, like slaying Onyxia, an old classic World of Warcraft. You accomplished nothing over the span of two hours. But two hours to have 40 people cheering and being like we did it, as opposed to going to work for eight hours and then being like, well, I'll be back tomorrow, otherwise you're fired. And you're like, this sucks.

Phil Labonte (95:08)

Yeah, there's, there's little immediate reward for most people when it comes to their jobs, especially if they're repetitive and, and stuff. You know, it's the, the paycheck is the reward. So the idea that you're gonna feel a sense of accomplishment for a lot of jobs is just not there. And people get that from video games.

Tim Pool (95:26)

Yeah. All right, my friends, we're go to your chats and rumble rants. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know and don't Forget it@rumble.com Timcast IRL we are going to have that uncensored call in show coming up at 10pm so join the Tim cast discord server@timcast.com your chats will appear on screen and you can actually call in to talk to us and our guests. But let's see what you guys have to say and let's get it. Shannon Wilder, always with the first rumble rant says, I had someone asked me how is Biden using auto pen different than using DocuSign? Maybe because me renewing my lease isn't as important as a president signing part burdens. Hi Roman. What up, homie? Actually it's because with auto pen Biden isn't pressing go. They're putting the pen in a machine, placing a document in front of it and the machine just draws the signature. DocuSign is you attesting under penalty of perjury that you signed it. So that's where it gets interesting.

Alad Eliyahu (96:20)

I think the issue at hand here is that it wasn't Joe Biden using the auto pen. It was other people using Joe Biden's auto pen or having him do it while not being fully aware what he was.

Phil Labonte (96:33)

Yeah, that's where the scandalizes the question as to whether or not he's aware is the actual substantive problem. So.

Tim Pool (96:41)

All right, let's see. Omnistone Herald says do it. Democrats come out and defend a terrorist who just immolated a holocaust survivor. Tell us why the family is more important than Americans.

Phil Labonte (96:52)

Just their silence should be a big deal. And the silence is violence. Well, no, that's not. But the media is not like there's no Democrats, no legacy media trying to investigate this. If there were three tea party based, you know, assaults or murders or whatever, people would be losing their mind and the entire media would say we're on the verge of a civil war and blah, blah, we got to get the, the government to wrap these people. But it would be absolutely insane. And you had Josh, you had a government agent like a, you know, governor's mansion was firebombed there. There's two people murdered in D.C. and then the, the gas tech and they have nothing to say. It blows my mind.

Alad Eliyahu (97:36)

I'm excited to see the Democrats defend this. My question here is how politically calculated do you think the Trump administration was in deciding to deport the families to? Do you think they were thinking on purpose like we're going to deport, we're going to jail him, criminalize him for, for whatever we can, but then we're going to deport the family and we know the Democrats will defend him. So we're going to turn this into a whole new story and bait them into defending this family to keep it in the news. Am I 3D chessing this to Republicans.

Tim Pool (98:06)

Are going to be like we're deporting a college student. Turns out was friends with this guy.

Alad Eliyahu (98:13)

Because it feels like an overstep and an overstep in the correct defense direction which would be hard to defend. And the president and the administration seems to have done that a few times. Baiting the Democrats into defending things that are otherwise should.

Roman Nation (98:29)

Trump does it all the time.

Alad Eliyahu (98:31)

Well, the question is how calculated? I don't know. I don't know if I'm projecting the, the 3D chess onto him or they, they're.

Phil Labonte (98:38)

I just want to, I'm just happy that this is the situation that we're in. I want the Democrats to defend, you know, the family. I'm going to say you can't send them. I want that because the American people are not going to take kindly to that.

Alad Eliyahu (98:50)

That so I think less Muhammad's in the country might be a good thing.

Tim Pool (98:54)

Let's grab some super chats. We got Jason Dixon who says shout out to my dog ak he also says shout out to the Tim. Shout out the discord over@timcast.com click join us. Sign up for the Discord server. Hang out with real people, man. Hang out with real people. Oh, let's see what else do we got going on over here. Oh man. Trevin Lane says June was made mental health men's mental health month in U. S. Congress in 1994 before it became pride month. I think that it is better to focus on men's mental health as no one sane really cares about sexual preferences anymore. Indeed.

Phil Labonte (99:29)

I think that's good.

Tim Pool (99:31)

All right. Dixon says bring back mental health asylums. Agreed.

Alad Eliyahu (99:37)

Totally.

Phil Labonte (99:38)

Bring back the ability to involuntarily commit.

Alad Eliyahu (99:41)

People doing that to like the top 500 worst offenders in New York City would transform the city.

Tim Pool (99:48)

Jacob Holly says Rand Paul and Thomas Massie are ruining Trump's big bill. I understand issues with it, but they were on the news today talking about why they won't compromise. Their dems now primary them out. I don't care, Phil Libs be damned.

Phil Labonte (100:01)

There is no chance of Thomas Massie getting primaried out. Zero chance. And same thing with Rand Paul. He's constituents law.

Tim Pool (100:09)

Elon Musk is calling out the big beautiful bill because it adds 2.5 what? Trillion to the deficit.

Phil Labonte (100:13)

Trillion dollars.

Tim Pool (100:14)

And it gives, it strips states their rights to regulate AI at the state level, which is nuts because it violates what, 9 and 10 in the Constitution? So yeah, I got problems with Trump's big beautiful bill as well. And I feel like it's going into crazy town. Crazy town.

Alad Eliyahu (100:33)

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. These libertarians are too principled. You will not be able to get everything you want in this. Obviously, if you knew what governing was like. But guess what? Rand Paul and Thomas Massie, they don't need to worry about actually maintaining a Republican majority so they could grandstand. And that's what they're doing.

Phil Labonte (100:52)

I just want everyone, I want everyone to know. A million seconds ago was May 23rd. A billion seconds ago was 1993. A trillion seconds ago was 30,000 years before Christ. We are in far too much debt and there is nothing unserious about trying to rein in spending.

Alad Eliyahu (101:11)

There's. But they're not doing it in a serious way. But that's neither here nor there.

Phil Labonte (101:15)

30,000 years ago is a trillion Congress.

Alad Eliyahu (101:17)

But you're not getting that in this bill.

Tim Pool (101:19)

And Trump is basically saying screw it, I don't care. Give me what I need to get what I want done. And it's creating a ton of damage in excess because Congress is a bunch of narcissists and psychopaths. There's, there's no getting around it. The Congress is, is, is fundamentally broken.

Alad Eliyahu (101:36)

I guess the issue Here it's Trump doesn't want austerity, which is the solution to our debt problem under his watch. That's what it comes down to. Does he want to raise taxes, cut Social Security, cut Medicare, cut Medicaid? No. He'll be extremely unpopular. But those are the seriously hard pills that we'll need to swallow. Are Americans ready to swallow it? No. So I don't know where that leads us to.

Roman Nation (101:56)

Well, my question is, like, how much money can he cut over the next next three and a half years?

Alad Eliyahu (102:02)

Hypothetically, he could cut, as I understand, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and then he could also increase taxes. And.

Roman Nation (102:10)

But how much is that? Like, what. What is. What is a tangible number?

Alad Eliyahu (102:13)

So I think our, like, two thirds of our budget annually goes to Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and entitlement.

Phil Labonte (102:21)

Yeah.

Alad Eliyahu (102:22)

So. And then we'd need to bump up taxes, too, to bring in more and spend less and more. But that's not anybody. What anybody who's getting elected is trying to seriously do, because the Americans. It's not something the Americans are seriously trying to do. But.

Roman Nation (102:37)

Well, that's my problem, because that's exactly what issue we're going to keep running into. Is that the one, the one time that, you know, you're going to have to say, we have to raise taxes, Boop, you're out.

Alad Eliyahu (102:47)

It's going to be austerity measures or inflation are inevitable. It's probably going to be less austerity and more inflation, frankly. So, yeah, as an informal tax against. By the way, that's what inflation is, an informal tax on us.

Phil Labonte (103:02)

Yeah, that's likely what it will be.

Tim Pool (103:04)

All right, let's grab some more. What do we got? We got some chats here. Braha says, yo, it's your boy, Brandon of the north. Following Tim Cast tradition and reporting that we are watching from the delivery room as my second child, firstborn son, is peeking his head out of his mom.

Phil Labonte (103:19)

Wow.

Tim Pool (103:19)

Kyle gonna play ATR for him, too.

Alad Eliyahu (103:22)

Mazel tov.

Tim Pool (103:23)

Right on. Congrats, American M says, hey, Tim, did you see the big bill that Trump wants to make? Makes any regulations on AI illegal for 10 years. And also, did you see that they have blasphemy laws in the UK now? It's at the state level. States wouldn't be allowed to regulate it for 10 years, which is crazy. Yeah. Let's see. Barry and McGrohan says Tim should send Biden a free skateboard. Why?

Alad Eliyahu (103:49)

She wants him to hurt himself on a skateboard. So it sounds.

Tim Pool (103:52)

Dan Zoom says hi AK welcome to Costco. I love you. Just kidding. You're getting deported. Watch the drive in on Roman Nation.

Alad Eliyahu (103:58)

You're an illegal. Oy vey. Stuck for a L. Right, let's see.

Tim Pool (104:08)

What have we here? Pool hall says, guys, attack Jays with fire. Tim quote, are we sure he hates the Jays? Some of them were Jewish. That was not part of the report. I don't know if all of them were Jewish. It was people. So you had people who had been consistently for a year peacefully protesting silently to bring awareness to Israeli hostages. The subject matter of which they were promoting was Israeli, and a guy screamed free Palestine and then set them on fire. So, yes, there is a question of whether or not the guy was specifically targeting Jews or targeting Israelis or people who supported Israel or Zionists or whatever. Nuance matters. It's absurd that when Chauvin is trying. When they're trying to arrest George Floyd and Floyd dies and Chauvin is kneeling on him using a practice the Minnesota police trained. According to the defense. They say he was a racist white supremacist. And I'm like, no, it just so happened that he was white. The guy was black. He didn't kill him because he was black. And they're going to. The left is going to say, nope, it's racism. It's. It's the structure of the system. Yeah, I think there's a distinction between when. When you hate someone based on them being Jewish or you. You hate Israel. There is an overlap, but, yeah, I think it's a legitimate question. Mark G. Denny says Tim Simps for the Jew haters like Elijah Schaefer, Cassandra Fairbanks. We put McDonald and Scott Horton because he is weak and afraid to lose the griper viewers. The groupers hate me. I call them Israel first. That's why I say, y' all are nuts. You all deserve each other in your whackaloon little world where the only countries that exist are Israel and Palestine.

Alad Eliyahu (105:47)

That's so funny because I see so many memes of Tim with Pay us.

Tim Pool (105:51)

I know. And they're like, I love the memes.

Alad Eliyahu (105:54)

With Tim and the hat and the payers.

Tim Pool (105:56)

And we. And we had. We had. The gripers were were chatting, saying that we were forced to hire a lot because all podcasts have to have a Jew on them or something like that.

Alad Eliyahu (106:04)

That APAC handler. Yes.

Tim Pool (106:05)

An APAC handler. Yep. And I'm like, no, no. A lot takes orders from me. I take orders from apac. That's what Tim, not the other way around. Now they're going to Take that seriously. And they're going to run with it, cuz they're nuts.

Alad Eliyahu (106:15)

Tim has the bigger cap. Guys, pay attention.

Tim Pool (106:18)

That's how it works. The bigger your hat, the more authority you have.

Alad Eliyahu (106:20)

Exactly.

Tim Pool (106:21)

People don't know that, but the highest authority of the Jews, they have massive big hats.

Phil Labonte (106:24)

Yeah, bigger.

Alad Eliyahu (106:26)

Just like the guy in the woods.

Tim Pool (106:29)

That's right. Right. Big hat.

Roman Nation (106:31)

Oh, so now you're playing for the Israelis and the Russians.

Tim Pool (106:34)

Yes, those big. What are those big hats called? You know what I'm talking about.

Alad Eliyahu (106:39)

Oh, yes, I do. There are different versions of them. They're the fur ones, those are the super ones. And I forgot what they're called The.

Tim Pool (106:46)

The hidic Jewish. They wear like this big.

Alad Eliyahu (106:48)

It's not my breed of Jew that. That wears those. So we have our own customs.

Tim Pool (106:53)

Well, it's. What's the difference? They don't touch.

Alad Eliyahu (106:58)

That's what it's called.

Tim Pool (106:59)

Do you touch buttons on Saturday?

Alad Eliyahu (107:02)

My parents don't, so.

Tim Pool (107:03)

But you do.

Alad Eliyahu (107:04)

They still keep the Sabbath? I don't keep the Sabbath.

Tim Pool (107:06)

Oh, man. Oh, jeez.

Phil Labonte (107:09)

Even if I don't, I'm making your mom cry out.

Alad Eliyahu (107:11)

Yeah. And then I admitted it online. It's even worse.

Phil Labonte (107:13)

That's terrible. She's. You're embarrassing her.

Tim Pool (107:16)

I had a. I lived in. What is it, Brunswick? I don't know. No, not bronze. Bushwick in Brooklyn. And so I was right on the border of where it was all the Hasidic Jews. And my neighbor was bringing home groceries and I was walking right by him and he was like, go, do me a favor and hit my button for me. And I was like, sure. And I like, literally my next door neighbor and I was walking back from the grocery store and so I hit the elevator button and then a bunch of gripers called me a Shabbo scoi. Yeah, because that's what it means. It means he wasn't allowed to press the button, so I did it for him. And so they were. They were insulting me with it. And I was just like. I tried to. I tried to explain to these guys, listen, people who hate Jews, it is not offensive to me when you accuse me of doing things that I have done and don't care about. Like they post pictures of me with like a hat on or like whatever that scarf thing is called. And I'm like, I am not offended by that because I don't hate Jews. They do. So in their minds, it's offensive to be photoshopped to look like a Jew. But if you don't hate Jews, you just be like, okay, you can Photoshop me as a samurai next. I'm still not going to get mad.

Phil Labonte (108:26)

I'm not Jewish.

Tim Pool (108:27)

Actually. Samurai I think would be cool do that.

Alad Eliyahu (108:30)

How does it feel to be the target of anti Semitism despite not being Jewish?

Phil Labonte (108:34)

It's annoying.

Tim Pool (108:35)

And the other way around, you know.

Alad Eliyahu (108:37)

So it's interesting because you still face bigotry against Jews despite not being Jewish. So people make juju Jew jokes at you and you Jews. I forgot what they call the Tim Cast show irl, but I don't do Cast irl. I forget.

Tim Pool (108:53)

You ever see that video where it was like a guy with a green screen and he was like 26.3% of all time cast guests are Jewish. I was like, huh, I don't know.

Alad Eliyahu (109:01)

Have they been keeping track recently? I feel like there have been less and less of my people around the.

Phil Labonte (109:05)

Year guarantee that there. That someone in the chat is just, just spamming USS Liberty. That actually spills over into PCC every once in a while. Someone.

Tim Pool (109:16)

Well, it's because they made a fake video of. It was an edited video of me and Ian, and these people are mentally unwell. They believe these things. So we were talking, Ian brought up USS Liberty, and then what I said was, it doesn't matter if it's a false flag because the intended effect happens regardless that the. So if, you know, if there's an attack, let's say like a nuclear power plant blows up. The US Then claims it was Russia, Russia claims it was Ukraine. It doesn't matter in a functional sense, because the effect of the war will be people in the US will believe it was Russia, people in Russia will believe it was Ukraine, and it will be used as intended by whatever party who did it. They edited it. So instead of me explaining it, it just stops and cuts to dead air. And then even Sam Hyde was sharing it. And it's like, okay, dude, like, I've got no one. These, like, they live in a psychotic reality like Stu Peters. What happened to this guy? They've lost their minds. The guy's tweeting about Final Solutions.

Phil Labonte (110:20)

Crazy.

Tim Pool (110:21)

These people have lost their minds, dude. Anyway, I see in the chat right now, USS Liberty.

Alad Eliyahu (110:27)

How could we forget?

Tim Pool (110:28)

I read a bunch of reports about it too. And it's just like these, these people are.

Alad Eliyahu (110:34)

It's the only friendly fire incident people can name specific friendly fire incidents happen.

Tim Pool (110:40)

All the time during 400 friendly fire incidents. This is, this is, this is the thing I'm talking about with these people. And I do think A lot of people, people pander to this because they want the engagement. But this, this is why I say, okay, if you want to talk about that conflict, fantastic. I don't care, whatever. But when I bring up any other conflict, if you can't talk about, I'm ask you why. Why is there only one country you care about? That's why I say they're Israel first.

Phil Labonte (111:04)

First.

Tim Pool (111:05)

And then Elijah was like, why don't you debate Nick? And I'm like, what's the debate? He can say whatever he wants about Israel. This is real. That Jews. This is that. I'll go, okay, so you clearly care more about Israel than about anything else. That's my point. You want to talk about anything else, by all means do it. But these people who live in the world where Israel is the only country that matters. Yo, it is. Mine is mind blowing to me.

Phil Labonte (111:25)

There are people that really.

Tim Pool (111:26)

Our president goes to Saudi Arabia to beg the king not to pump oil. And then they're like, but Israel. And I'm like, we have Saudi princes. Like, remember when they. When they murdered that journalist? And it was like this huge crazy thing. And they're like, no, no, Israel's in charge. And I'm like, bro, we are begging the Qataris. We are begging, begging the Emirates. We are begging the Saudis not to pump oil because it'll negatively impact the petrodollar. We need to control prices now. We got off the 50 year lease, it ended. And we're desperately trying to maintain control. And they're telling us Israel runs the world. And I'm like, y' all don't read the news news. You just live in your crackpot.

Phil Labonte (111:59)

And they wouldn't believe the news even if they did read the news, because the news is run by Jews.

Tim Pool (112:04)

I do love that. When. Right when the. The abs. What? What was it? What was the documents that got JFK files.

Phil Labonte (112:11)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (112:12)

Got released. And then a bunch of people online were like, dude, Israel's not mentioned once. Isn't that weird?

Phil Labonte (112:18)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (112:18)

And it's like, oh, my God. The absence of Israel is proof of Israel. Oh, my God.

Alad Eliyahu (112:23)

I hate to bring it up, but the Glenn Greenwald stuff, it's already being blamed on Israel. I don't know what the evidence was. Israel forced Glenn Greenwald to pay a guy. And how did it get. Film him. Israel forced them on their knees.

Tim Pool (112:39)

Okay. Glenn Greenwald, good. These videos leak. I have not watched them. I don't intend to watch them. I'm glad I missed that cycle. But the. They're saying now the CIA and Mossad have leaked this video footage to discredit him or whatever, and it's just like, why'd you film it?

Alad Eliyahu (112:55)

Well, Israel, for the Mossad, forced him to film it. They forced him to hire a prostitute and get on his knees and act like a maid and do drugs.

Tim Pool (113:02)

That proves it. So you admit it.

Alad Eliyahu (113:07)

Yeah, yeah, I was involved. I don't even.

Tim Pool (113:10)

But he said it makes it more.

Alad Eliyahu (113:12)

Salacious and more people will come to his defense as a result of that being the angle. And now the craziest tradcons are coming to the defense of the most degenerate behavior. Sick. Degenerate.

Tim Pool (113:22)

What?

Phil Labonte (113:22)

Trad cons are defending him.

Alad Eliyahu (113:25)

I think there are a lot. I think Matt Walsh is the exception.

Tim Pool (113:28)

Yeah. Candace Owens, I think, defended him.

Alad Eliyahu (113:30)

Yeah. A lot of people who are otherwise.

Tim Pool (113:33)

Really?

Phil Labonte (113:33)

Candace Owens was defending him?

Alad Eliyahu (113:35)

Yes.

Tim Pool (113:35)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (113:35)

Wow.

Alad Eliyahu (113:37)

Play here.

Tim Pool (113:38)

Yeah. But Glenn Greenwald said he didn't know how it got filmed and he wasn't aware of that or whatever. And it's like, like, I, I, I. Was he wearing, like, you might have mentioned this, wearing the glasses.

Phil Labonte (113:48)

I, maybe I saw, I mean, I saw Spill, and I don't know how.

Tim Pool (113:52)

I haven't seen it, so I don't know what the video was like, but, like, there. So Matt Walsh was mentioning there's like, a meth pipe. Someone tweeted at Glenn Greenwald being like, hey, it looks like somebody was doing meth there.

Phil Labonte (114:03)

Didn't deny it.

Tim Pool (114:04)

He didn't. He just completely avoided it and said, I'm proud of my personal life. So then what people are saying is, is when he says, I'm not doing drugs, but I don't remember how this got filmed, the response from people is, well, there's the drug pipe. You must have been on a drug bender, and you can't remember because you were whacked out of your mind. But here's what I gotta say. I'm like, I can separate the journalists from the, from the journalism. And you're allowed to be like, maybe Glenn Greenwald shouldn't be doing degenerate things. And if he reported something factual on Israel, that's fine too. Whatever. So Matt Walsh is criticizing him over moral issues unrelated to his journalism, and people are attacking Matt Walsh for it. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. Hold on. You're allowed to criticize people for whatever you want. Matt Walsh didn't say anything about his journalism. He talked about his moral behavior. Why are you conflating the two? So as people are coming out to defend Glenn Greenwald. And I'm like, glenn Greenwald was doing nasty stuff he shouldn't be doing. He's also done fantastic journalism and disclosed very important things.

Phil Labonte (115:02)

Yep.

Tim Pool (115:03)

Both of those things can be addressed, though.

Phil Labonte (115:07)

I just don't want to talk about what else he's doing.

Tim Pool (115:10)

Well, he's got kids. I mean, that's.

Phil Labonte (115:12)

Yep.

Tim Pool (115:13)

That is concerning. I, I put it this way. Do you believe that if a man went to an adoption agency and said, I'd like to adopt three kids, and then said, by the way, I will be filming myself engaging with male prostitutes, spending, spending thousands of dollars on this, there will be drug paraphernalia, drug use in the room. Do you think the agency is going to be like, okay, we'll, we'll bring, we'll send the kids home to you? They'd be like, no, you're disqualified instantly. So I, I agree with Matt Walsh in that regard. If you are. And then the response from a lot of people is like, well, these kids are going to be worse off in the orphanage. And I'm just like, listen, it's all bad, but we don't send kids from an orphanage to go live with somebody who is hiring male prostitutes. We just don't do it. And then the response on left is going to be, there are parents who have kids right now who are hiring prostitutes. Yes. And it's bad. And we shouldn't tolerate that. Yeah, all of it's bad. So the drug use thing, I'm, I'm wary on because I've not seen the video. I've only heard everyone saying there's a meth or crack pipe in the video. So let me just say, if Glenn Greenwald went to an adoption agency and said, I'd like to adopt several kids, I will be, I will be on video with male prostitutes and meth and crack pipes. They're going to be like, no, you can't have a kid.

Alad Eliyahu (116:26)

I think this speaks to his judgment.

Tim Pool (116:31)

If he didn't. I mean, look, his journalism is journals. I don't care.

Alad Eliyahu (116:35)

I think his journalism is more or less anti American garbage that, I don't know, seems to have become popular in some corners of our country right now.

Tim Pool (116:45)

The, the Snowden disclosures were historical and extremely important. I've been critical of Edward Snowden because he's not a whistleblower. He's a leak. There's a difference. When you whistleblow, you say, here is an illegal thing that my company or government is doing. And if you can't go through proper channels, you Release it to journalists, and you blow the whistle on it. What Snowden did was released a ton of documents he didn't read to Laura Poitras and Glenn Greenwald, who then disseminated to a bunch of news organizations. And when challenged on this, he actually said, you know, maybe I should have read and redacted some of this stuff. Stuff. Because I think what happened was some of the information he released got released unredacted and compromised the identity of some US Assets abroad, putting them at risk and forcing evacuations and stuff. And I think it might have been John Oliver maybe, or Colbert. I can't remember who challenged him on this, saying this document wasn't redacted, got sent out and compromised a u. US Personnel. And he was like, maybe I should have been more careful. Careful. But then he admitted, I didn't actually read it all. I just took a whole bunch of documents and gave it away. So that's leaking. That's not whistleblowing. That's different. Anyway, let's. Let's see what else we got. What do we have here? The line says there's warning in the big, beautiful bill that removes NFA restrictions for suppressors.

Phil Labonte (118:04)

Yep.

Tim Pool (118:05)

I'll deal with the rest of that. Win. Repeal the nfa. Wait, for real?

Phil Labonte (118:09)

Yeah. The Hearing Protection act is in the. In the new bill.

Tim Pool (118:12)

So if they pass the big, beautiful bill, suppressors go off the nfa. Yeah, I'm for it. Pass the bill.

Roman Nation (118:18)

Thomas.

Tim Pool (118:19)

I'm gonna call Thomas Massie right now and be like, are you kidding me?

Phil Labonte (118:23)

I have a friend.

Alad Eliyahu (118:24)

It's already in the Senate. Hit up Rand Paul.

Phil Labonte (118:25)

I already bought.

Tim Pool (118:26)

Oh, Rand Paul. I'm gonna call Rand Paul right now. I'm gonna DM him.

Alad Eliyahu (118:30)

Trump shot off a few. What was it? Truths this morning, railing against Rand. So we need to start lobbying him to get him on.

Tim Pool (118:37)

I can lobby him right now. Should I DM him?

Alad Eliyahu (118:38)

Yes, yes, yes.

Phil Labonte (118:39)

I already bought a can. Another can. I just wait. And I'm not gonna actually purchase it from the. From the FFL until I find out if the Hearings Present Hearing Suppression act is. Is Hearing Protection act is in there. If it's not and it passes, Trump signs it. I'm going to buy that thing right away, save myself 200 bucks.

Alad Eliyahu (118:58)

He ran. Paul can leverage his vote on making sure that stays in the Senate version of the bill if he decided to vote for it. But if he just decides to sit on the sideline, he'll have no poll.

Tim Pool (119:08)

So we can all have suppressors if they pass this thing.

Alad Eliyahu (119:10)

Yep.

Tim Pool (119:10)

Well, any state where it's the only thing that matters. Literally nothing else in politics is important other than us having the right to own suppressors.

Alad Eliyahu (119:16)

It's about time some Jews got their suppressors.

Phil Labonte (119:19)

What?

Tim Pool (119:20)

What?

Alad Eliyahu (119:21)

No, just get in their arms. I don't know. I didn't want to do the sob story. So now we're talking about getting, getting gun story.

Phil Labonte (119:26)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (119:26)

Great.

Phil Labonte (119:27)

I love it.

Alad Eliyahu (119:27)

Suppressors.

Tim Pool (119:28)

Yeah, I, I will. I will.

Alad Eliyahu (119:29)

These loud noises are very scary.

Phil Labonte (119:31)

I know, I know. Most Jews are in New York and, and California but there are j. There are some Jew springles sprinkled in states where you're allowed to own suppressors.

Alad Eliyahu (119:39)

Well, that's why I'm in West Virginia now. West Virginia.

Phil Labonte (119:42)

Great, great decision.

Tim Pool (119:43)

Texas. Texas will sell the suppressor to you at the state level, won't they? Like they'll ignore the federal law.

Phil Labonte (119:49)

I think it's made in Texas. They, they will sell it to you and say we're not going to tell the NFA anything about this. I'm going to tell the feds about this at all.

Tim Pool (119:58)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (119:58)

So.

Tim Pool (119:59)

Oh wow. Well, if Rand Paul is the only objector though, it's probably going to pass.

Phil Labonte (120:04)

Right?

Tim Pool (120:04)

Right.

Alad Eliyahu (120:04)

It's him. And then maybe Susan Collins.

Phil Labonte (120:07)

Oh, she's the worst.

Alad Eliyahu (120:08)

So I think it's a 53, 47 Republican Democrats split. So they could afford to lose three Rand Paul, Susan Collins and Murkowski. And then JD would be the.

Tim Pool (120:20)

How did they get this in the bill?

Phil Labonte (120:23)

A lot of work. The GOA and nagr, they really busted their firearms policy coalition. The. These, these bills are. Or there's also one called the Short act that'll make. That would get rid of short barrel rifles on and short barrel shotguns that are off. The.

Tim Pool (120:37)

That's not in there.

Phil Labonte (120:38)

But it's not in there. They're trying to get it in in the Senate. It's possible that they might get the Short act in the Senate. They got the, the Hearing Protection act in, in the House. So. But these bills were, you know, already.

Tim Pool (120:49)

And Paul should come out and be like this is a terrible bill that's going to increase the deficit by 2.5 mil trillion dollars. But we all get suppressors. Let's go. Yes.

Phil Labonte (121:00)

I literally love it. So.

Tim Pool (121:02)

But I, I do like Rand Paul. I think he's great. All right my friends, we're gonna go to that uncensored call in show over@rumble.com Timcast IRL. Don't miss it. Don't forget to join that discord server@timcast.com if you want to call in and talk to us and our guest? It'll be a lot of fun. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast Roma, do you want to shout anything out?

Roman Nation (121:21)

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Alad Eliyahu (121:41)

Awesome. I hope everybody enjoyed tonight's show. I am Alad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. You can find me on social media under a lot Eliyahu. If you want to see me causing trouble in the White House, I am.

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