Dan Holloway (3:46)

Good evening.

Ian Crossland (3:47)

Who are you? What do you do?

Dan Holloway (3:48)

My name is Dan Holloway. I'm one of the hosts of the Drinker Bros podcast and I have another show called Citizen. We hawk hard AF seltzer as well. Oh, very nice. Good. Yeah, sounds good.

Ian Crossland (4:00)

I'm drinking a regular seltzer but you know.

Dan Holloway (4:02)

Yeah, we can't complete compete with drift on the. On the pink lemonade unfortunately. Although we are working on something similar.

Ian Crossland (4:10)

A non hard just.

Dan Holloway (4:11)

No, no, no. It's all hard. Yeah, we're not.

Ian Crossland (4:13)

Oh okay.

Dan Holloway (4:13)

I. Although I do like seltzer water I guess. Right. I mean it's better. It's better than regular water usually. I just don't know. I think they might be getting you somehow by putting more carbon dioxide in your body. I just don't trust anybody. I'm at the point in. We're in the point in human history now where you just can't trust anybody about anything ever. So I just assume that everything's out to get me now?

Ian Crossland (4:34)

Indeed. I heard chewing gum puts microplastics in your balls. You see that on tv?

Dan Holloway (4:39)

You know what I did see yesterday is that there's a teaspoon or so full or a tablespoon full of plastic in your brain.

Tim Pool (4:46)

Yep.

Ian Crossland (4:48)

That sucks.

Dan Holloway (4:49)

That's not great, right? I don't know what you do about plastics. I know you can eat a lot of cilantro to pull heavy metals out of your body. That's. That's how.

Ian Crossland (4:55)

But I hate cilantro.

Dan Holloway (4:56)

It's gross, right? Just put it in a shake or something. I don't know. I don't know what you do for plastic, though.

Ian Crossland (5:01)

Yeah. I don't know.

Dan Holloway (5:02)

Die, I guess. I don't know.

Ian Crossland (5:03)

Yeah. Well, thanks for being here.

Dan Holloway (5:06)

Yeah. I'm trying to start trying to lift.

Tim Pool (5:08)

All up from here.

Ian Crossland (5:09)

Yeah. Cody Mack is back.

Cody Mack (5:11)

Yes, I am back. And apparently I have a bunch of plastics in my balls too.

Dan Holloway (5:15)

And your brain.

Cody Mack (5:15)

And my brain. It's all over the place. But I'm a professional skateboarder and patron of Boonies hq. Excited to be here tonight and see what. See what happens.

Dan Holloway (5:23)

What's Boonies hq? Tell me about that.

Cody Mack (5:25)

Boonies HQ is the skate park that we have here. It's the facility right behind Tim over there. Go and skate. If you saw the. All the ramps on your way in, that's where we go and partake in our delinquent activities.

Ian Crossland (5:35)

Cody did a nollie inward heelflip nose stall, 180 tail stall. Did you revert?

Cody Mack (5:41)

Not on this one. Just did it back to reg.

Ian Crossland (5:43)

So just a reg.

Cody Mack (5:44)

Okay, Played it easy on that one.

Ian Crossland (5:45)

I forgot that I brought it up.

Cody Mack (5:46)

Yeah, yeah.

Ian Crossland (5:47)

All right. But yeah, we got Brett hanging out as well.

Tim Pool (5:49)

Guys. Yes, Brett here. Normally on Pop culture crisis Monday through Friday at 3pm I am sitting in here for Phil tonight.

Ian Crossland (5:55)

Well, right on. Let's. Let's jump to the news. It's a chill Friday night. It's warm outside, everybody's hanging out. And you guys are here listening to the news because you care. Here's a story from the Post Millennial. State Department officially notifies Congress of USAID closure. I'm down for it. The State Department officially notified Congress that the U.S. agency for International Development has been dissolved and the remaining operations of the agency will be run by the State Department itself. According to the to United Press International, State Department official. State Department officially told Congress that USAID dissolving on Friday. Secretary of State Mark Rubio said in a statement today the Department of State and the U.S. agency for International Development have notified Congress of their intent to undertake a reorganization that would involve realigning certain USAID functions to the department by July 1, 2025, and discontinuing the remaining USAID functions that do not align with administration priorities. This is massive. I think the reason they're doing it is because Congress basically passes a bill saying you, you have to have these certain functions. And so if they can, if they can accomplish those tasks set forth by Congress through the State Department, they shut down usaid, which for those who don't know, has been accused of basically funneling hundreds of billions of dollars to activist organizations, lawyers and political outfits to fund establishment shill politicians. So along with this, Donald Trump's citizenship requirement for voting, it looks like, I don't know, Trump's. Trump's march to the sea on the deep state is, is ramping up.

Dan Holloway (7:27)

In progress.

Ian Crossland (7:28)

In progress.

Dan Holloway (7:29)

Right. It's. It's a battle for sure. Without the help of Congress, it's going to be for. Not at some point, but. Yeah. I mean, I, I don't know what you guys are going to miss the most from usaid. Is it going to be the CIA overthrowing governments that and then installing new ones that we had that people like me have to go fight in 20 to 25 years. Or is it the 11 out of the 13 Ukrainian media companies that are funded by it? Right. It's hard to tell which one's going to be the bigger hit. To my own personal entertainment.

Tim Pool (7:54)

Somebody will one day be like, I missed the days of the color color revolutions in other countries.

Dan Holloway (7:59)

Like you kind of alluded to it as well. There's this circular feature to the USAID funding where money comes out of your wallet and it goes to USAID and then it goes to a foreign country and it somehow ends up in the hands of some enemy adversary that ends up being spent back here on antifa BLM and so forth. Right.

Ian Crossland (8:15)

Indeed.

Dan Holloway (8:16)

It's, it's weird to fund. It's like digging your own grave, I guess. Right. Which is something that you see in bad western movies mostly. But now it's just kind of been our reality for the last 70 years and we had no idea.

Ian Crossland (8:28)

I look at it like Capital City in the Hunger Games. Basically. These are people who don't have to work the machine takes from everybody else to fund and feed them. Have you ever spent any time in Loudoun County, Virginia? Oh, yeah, it is, it is a, it is a magical place.

Dan Holloway (8:41)

Yeah, it's. I went magical is one way to put it. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (8:44)

Oh, But I mean, like, when you understand that it's all military, industrial contractors, lawyers, and behind every smile is someone funding or helping to bomb children in foreign countries and ever declared war on. You go to the park and they're singing Disney songs and they're eating delicious food and it looks. It looks like magic. But I imagine that if you could see into the souls of these people, not all of them, a lot of them are actually fans. But going down there and seeing just how beautiful everything is and knowing what funds it. Oh, man, I literally had.

Tim Pool (9:17)

Since, for instance, I had a tweet like two weeks ago that says driving through Loudoun county is crazy because. What do you mean? You built a castle next to a gas station, which is basically what it's like. It's like there's huge, just massive properties next to small businesses. And you realize that driving through there, driving through anywhere through Virginia, you're basically being propped up by all of the money that we, the taxpayers, have dumped back into it.

Ian Crossland (9:40)

I wonder what's going to happen to this place. Loudon's a big county, so it's not just like one town. Right. You got Leesburg, there's Tysons, I mentioned. But Tyson's Corner is a crazy shopping center. And the money for all of this, not all of it, but a lot of it, is military, industrial complex, political lawyers, USAID funding, EPA funding, slush funds. It really doesn't seem like it's legitimate.

Dan Holloway (10:06)

No, I mean, it's like. It's like art. It's all a fake shell game to make money. But that's what government is. Right? Government, no matter how noble, I guess it's int intentions and it's not always noble, but even when it's in its best form, eventually becomes an engine to extract labor and wealth from the population. That's really what it is.

Ian Crossland (10:25)

Yeah.

Dan Holloway (10:25)

Right.

Tim Pool (10:25)

And that's gotten harder the larger the government has grown over time. Yeah. Which is why they're fighting so hard.

Dan Holloway (10:31)

Exactly. So that's why we created this. You know, you. Government is. Is if you look at government as an experiment over the course of human history, you can kind of see how it matures, just like a human being would. Right. It starts in this rudimentary phase that doesn't make a lot of sense in the same way that our religions have evolved as well. So it starts where we see the natural forces that are happening. We're like, oh, that must be something bigger and more powerful than myself. So earthquakes, that's God. Lightning, that's God. The sun, the moon, all this stuff. And then you get a little bit farther down the rabbit hole in religion and you start to ascribe like social controls to it, right? And when I say social controls, I mean like the aspects of human nature. Love, hate, war, wine, whatever, right? And then you get a little farther down, you start to get the monotheism, which is like, it's an individual with a personality and really it's a mirror of yourself. That's the point of it, Right. In the same way you see government as an experiment. That happens over time. We tried this, we tried that. The Athenians, for example, tried a direct democracy for two years and they were like, nope, no way, stupid. You guys are too dumb. We can't do this. And then they tried some other stuff, like representation without pay. So they had basically like a congress, but no pay. What they found was that only rich people were able to serve, so they only took care of rich people, Right? So you had to make it such. And that's why, you know, when Congress asked for a raise, like, yeah, do your job and I will consider it. Right? But you can see it kind of grow up over time. And that's why we know that it's an experiment, because you can. Look, it is a testable hypothesis. Does communism work? No, we know it doesn't. So when anybody, if anybody starts talking about communism or socialism, you're like, hey, let me stop you right there, bud. I don't ever need to hear anything you say again, ever. Because you're not a smart person.

Ian Crossland (12:24)

Well, I mean, we talked about this the other night. The funny thing about communism is that it's. It's fundamental precept is basic arithmetic. That is wrong. So when they say, from each according to their ability, to each according to their need, you're basically saying, we've got 10 people in a room. Half of them consume more than they produce, the other half sustain themselves. It's like, okay, that's called net negative. Yeah, and you will all starve to death. And then when you do that basic, you know, one plus negative one equals zero, you realize if you implement communism, everyone dies. And then surprisingly to these people, whenever they try communism, everybody starves.

Dan Holloway (13:00)

Yeah, it's wild how that works out. And so back to the point. Even in the noblest form of government, which is the one we have, I think still it doesn't scale indefinitely. Can't. That's why we created federalism, to send power back to the lowest possible level that makes the most sense. But even then it doesn't work because we don't operate it in that way. And that's because of all of us, by the way. And I don't mean just the five of us in this room, just every American who thought it was okay to, because I have an iPad and Hot Pockets, to not pay attention to what's going on with my money in Washington. And we did that for a very long time. Eisenhower warned us about it in the 50s, and we paid no attention to him. Right. We just kind of went on about our business and let it grow and grow and grow. And now it's going to be very difficult to unseat some of this stuff.

Tim Pool (13:42)

And one of the things I find most interesting, like USAID and like DOGE is kind of exposing right now, is people have been propagandized so much by these organizations that are likely funded from institutions with our tax dollars, that they've propagandized people into believing that firing inefficient government employees is actually a bad thing. And you're seeing the death throes of that last 70 years of poor inefficient government. But fantastic propaganda read it like, reeling its ugly head and showing people that they don't really understand the scale of which the rot is within the government.

Dan Holloway (14:16)

And then there's a. There's a part of it that's like a weaponization of our better natures. You know what I mean? Empathy is a good thing. So we need. This is something that people need to start understanding and acting on. It is the folks in power who are performing this magician's patter to make you think you should hate the left or you should hate the right. Right. The reality is that the left and the right don't exist anymore and that we have to hate the people who did that to us. That's got to be the first mission. And that is like, we need justice and we need empathy from the left. We need laws and we need strength from the right. We need these things in the same way that we need men and women to raise a child. Right. That's just a fact of nature. And we've allowed these. Usually on my show, there would be a string of bad words. Right here, we've allowed these. We've allowed these people to completely dominate, as you say, propagandize the dialogue now, where when somebody posits some left position and it's from. You have to understand that from them, they're like, there's this impetus to want to take care of people, right? And as a, as a, as a man, that's on the right side of things. My idea of taking care of people is teaching them how to fish, not giving them one. Right. And also giving them the means to protect themselves and the information to protect themselves, not to coddle them. But not everybody is a man on the right. Some people need to be coddled sometimes. Children, for example. Right. And we need that feminine presence, and we can't have it. Right. If these people are left in charge of the public discourse, if they're allowed to say, because you want to own guns, you don't care about kids dying. Right. If they're allowed to say that without repercussion from their own side, the left has to step in and say, hey, that's wrong. These are good people. Right.

Tim Pool (16:00)

But they weaponize.

Dan Holloway (16:01)

Agree with you.

Tim Pool (16:01)

They weaponize toxic levels of empathy, usually on an outgroup bias, because they push for laws rather than taking care of things within their own home.

Dan Holloway (16:11)

Right? Yeah. And that's. That's the secret sauce there, to be honest, because when the government shows up to your neighborhood and nobody's got their hand out, they got no power there, right? So if you want this decentralized government, if you want this lowest level possible, if you want federalism, if you want this dream that Jefferson had to be a reality, you better go down the street and take care of your neighbor before the government shows up to do it. Otherwise, you're not doing your job and you have no right to complain about anything that's going on.

Ian Crossland (16:36)

I think there's a middle ground in the. Either you teach them to fish or give them a fish. I think you can give them a fishing pole. You know what I mean?

Dan Holloway (16:42)

Let them figure it out.

Ian Crossland (16:43)

No, it's like, we can teach them to fish, but you. You find a guy who's got no fishing pole and you say, look, look how I use my. You know, how I cast the debate or whatever. And they're gonna look at you and be like, that'd be great if I have one of those. So there's a middle ground of the help that we provide in society is to give you the opportunity to help yourself. We don't just say, hey, look at me. I can do it. Why can't you? We say, okay, like, let me give you a boost. Here's how you do it. Figure it out. But the left goes all in. Here's a bucket of fish. Have fun. We took it from that guy.

Dan Holloway (17:11)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (17:12)

And now this person's like, I don't even got a fish. I just get it for free.

Tim Pool (17:14)

Well, and we Just had that. Literally the discussion was last week, it was about soda and ebt. And the discussion came about like, what items should be on ebt. And I think a lot of people would rather have a discussion, as much as important as that is, is looking to weed out fraud in divisions like that. The idea of limits on the amount of time you can be on those programs. But even having that discussion, a lot of the times with people who have certain beliefs in just how powerful government should be, or at least unlimited power in helping people because they see it as a virtuous cause, they don't want to have that discussion at all. But I would like to believe that most moderates do want to at least be able to have that debate. Even if you don't believe that everybody should be on food stamps all the time, you should believe in some type of responsible federal government.

Dan Holloway (17:58)

Yeah, well, it's. There's. There's a saying that I like that's hard to hate up close, right? So it's easy to. It's. It's easy to create this caricature of your enemy that exists in your head and hate them on Twitter or from afar. But when you see somebody that's hungry up close, that's quite a bit more difficult, right? And there is, regardless of what your politics are, there is some impetus to be like, hey, I need to help this person. There's. There's no way that, like, if you're, if you believe, if you're like a patriot and you believe in America and what it is, then you want it to be the best, right? This is just like standard broken window theory stuff. If I want my country to be the best, then I damn sure better put some effort into that. Otherwise I have no claim to its goodness. How could I, like, peop. Every now and again you'll hear these people like, oh, we won World War II. Like, oh, you were there, huh? Like, what. What have you, what have you done lately for this country? Right? And it doesn't. There's a lot of ways to serve. I was in the military, but it doesn't have to be that. It doesn't have to be police or fire, EMS or first responder stuff at all. You can serve your community by taking care of the people that are closest to you, because that's your job to do it. Right?

Tim Pool (19:00)

And for me, I think what's interesting about that is most, like, like I said, I think that both sides have this impetus to the right these days, wants as little federal government as possible, which I tend to Agree with for the most part. And most people aren't focusing on their state level government anyways. They're, they're too interested in the, the pro wrestling nature of federal politics these days. Right. But when it comes to left, they don't really see value politically on the left. There isn't inherent value placed on the family. So they look at the government as a surrogate to the family where they, and say dump in all the money, put in all the resources there so that we can take care of people without actually trying to operate under the premise that there are steps that you can do to alleviate all of that that start at home.

Dan Holloway (19:45)

Yeah. I wonder how much of that is a scarcity mindset.

Tim Pool (19:47)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (19:48)

You know, let's jump, let's jump to the next story. We have this from Fox News. Tim Waltz says Dems weren't bold enough to double down on FBI and immigration. He said that they should have defined what woke was and defended these ideas. But they let the other guys do it. I agree. Tim Waltz, I am glad you've brought this up. Democrats. Oh no, don't. Because then you will win. You can't have them do that, Tim. So you were saying a moment ago that there was no left and no right. What do you mean by that?

Dan Holloway (20:26)

Well, let me, let me, I hate to answer a question with a question, but who is the last conservative president?

Ian Crossland (20:31)

Depends your definition of conservative, I suppose in your opinion. Oh, the last conservative president, I would argue Donald Trump.

Dan Holloway (20:42)

Before Trump though, is what I mean.

Ian Crossland (20:43)

George W. Bush. Well, I am not wrong.

Dan Holloway (20:47)

What did he do that was conservative? But you can't be wrong because it's your opinion, that's the point.

Ian Crossland (20:52)

Because what it means to be conservative changes with every generation and every step.

Dan Holloway (20:56)

But when people say it though, right, because people say I'm a Reagan Republican, typically when they refer to what conservatism used to be.

Ian Crossland (21:03)

Oh, yeah. Reagan destroyed marriage and gun rights and he gave amnesty in California to illegal.

Dan Holloway (21:10)

Immigrants, got rid of mental institutions, closed the asylums.

Ian Crossland (21:13)

Yeah. And I wasn't, I wasn't, I think.

Dan Holloway (21:15)

Raised taxes in five out of the eight years he was president.

Ian Crossland (21:18)

Right. I was alive for I think two years of his presidency. And before that a lot of the worst things that he brought to this country came from California. So yeah, I don't think that guy was a conservative at all.

Dan Holloway (21:28)

Right. But that's what if you ask the average Republican today, they'll say Reagan.

Ian Crossland (21:32)

Right. But that's not left and right. Left and right doesn't make a direct.

Dan Holloway (21:35)

No no, sure, sure. The. The last time that we had a right leaning in the traditional sense, President was probably Eisenhower, maybe Nixon. He got. Nixon got railroaded quite a bit. That's a whole other conversation we don't need to go on. But it's. When I say there's no right and left anymore. I mean, if you ask somebody to define their ism, whatever it happens to be conservatism or liberalism, they can't. They have no idea what those words mean. Right. And they're not represented in the true fashion, as you say, though they. They do evolve over time. But the words do mean something. Right? Like, Right. When we say classical liberalism, what we mean is liberalism. No, that's what it means, right?

Ian Crossland (22:13)

No, it doesn't.

Dan Holloway (22:13)

That's. That's not what people mean when they say it. But that's what they're trying to refer to what liberalism was when. During its. Right.

Ian Crossland (22:19)

So this actually is really interesting. Classical liberalism is a reference to the 1700s.

Dan Holloway (22:23)

Right.

Ian Crossland (22:24)

It's a reference to, you know, Locke and a lot of the fathers.

Dan Holloway (22:27)

I don't. Yeah, but we. Liberal doesn't mean left. Right, Right.

Ian Crossland (22:30)

I thought you were. I thought. I thought you were saying what liberal was 20 years ago.

Dan Holloway (22:33)

No, no, I mean like 300 years ago.

Ian Crossland (22:35)

Right, exactly.

Dan Holloway (22:35)

Like, when people say classical liberal, they mean, I believe in free speech, basically. That's. That's what you should mean when you say that.

Ian Crossland (22:41)

Right.

Dan Holloway (22:41)

That's the most. Free speech and property rights. That's classical liberalism. Yes, basically. Right.

Ian Crossland (22:45)

And then liberal turned into. From. From classical to traditional to social liberalism, which is what we had in the 90s.

Dan Holloway (22:52)

Right.

Ian Crossland (22:52)

And now people hear the phrase classical liberal, and I think it means 90s liberal.

Dan Holloway (22:57)

Right. But that's not what it means.

Ian Crossland (22:58)

It does not.

Dan Holloway (22:59)

It.

Ian Crossland (22:59)

It's closer to libertarian.

Dan Holloway (23:00)

This is what I'm saying, people. We. We don't even know what the words mean anymore. So people say them to identify themselves, and they have no idea what it means. Which, which gives this space for these useless politicians to come in and redefine what things are. And these. They're not special people. Right. They won a popularity contest. The only person in Congress is special is Thomas Massie, frankly, because he's a literal genius.

Ian Crossland (23:22)

Right?

Dan Holloway (23:23)

Like, he built his own house off the grid. And if I got to tell you, I've got a lot of pipeheader friends, but if we were in a legit Thunderdome situation, I think I'm going to Thomas Massie's house.

Ian Crossland (23:34)

I agree.

Dan Holloway (23:35)

You know what I mean?

Ian Crossland (23:35)

He's he's off the grid and he built his own self sustainable farm.

Dan Holloway (23:39)

It's ridiculous. So he's special. I don't, and I don't, I don't want to single hand just him out. I'm sure there's a couple other people that are, that are great but for the majority of these people are not like, but special.

Ian Crossland (23:50)

So typically when people say liberal or conservative, what they really mean is left or right. And what left and right define is the, the umbrella of each dominant political faction in opposition to each other in this country.

Dan Holloway (24:01)

Yeah, but conservative doesn't even mean right. Conservative means to concert like I want things to stay the way they were. That's not necessarily a right leaning position. Maybe right were left and they want to conserve the left.

Ian Crossland (24:11)

Exactly. And reactionary. I refer to the leftists as reactionaries. So reactionary was a reference to. Let's, let's go back in time, the French Revolution where we the terms left and right. The left side of, of the court was saying revolution and the right side was saying no, no, protect them. We want the monarchy, we don't want to do this. And so the right were called reactionaries in that they were responding to the revolution of the left and largely opposed it. So reactionary came to represent. It basically means you want the status quo, you want to return things to the way they were. The issue is that for leftists, they think they're revolutionaries. The problem is when they're too stupid to realize they're trying to revert the United States back to way it used to be. For instance, DEI programs are actually how things used to be. The reality is for the majority of human existence, race based policy was the norm. And it's only in the past couple of decades we've actually had law preventing this. In fact, redlining and blockbusting, housing policies targeting minorities ended in the 80s. So when the left comes out and smashes things and using violence and says we want things to be the way they used to be, I say they're reactionaries. And then they go, you're so dumb. Reactionary means right wing. Like no, it means you want things to be the way they used to be.

Dan Holloway (25:25)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (25:25)

And we do not.

Dan Holloway (25:26)

Well this, this is the problem when you let the people who are engaged in the power struggle define the terms right because it's all magicians pattern. None of these words mean anything anymore. And that's why there, there is no there. There is a functional right and left, but not a definable one where there's two sides. People ask Me all the time about. Well, not so much anymore, but before Trump was elected, about civil war and stuff. I'm like, who? Between who and whom and over what? Exactly. Right.

Ian Crossland (25:54)

How does this, how did the Syrian. You're, you're kicking it off. I got to tell you, I'm provoking.

Dan Holloway (25:58)

You intentionally right now.

Ian Crossland (25:59)

Who are the factions in the Syrian civil war?

Dan Holloway (26:01)

Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda.

Ian Crossland (26:03)

Well, who were the actual factions at the start of Syrian civil war?

Dan Holloway (26:06)

This latest one, when the Syrian civil.

Ian Crossland (26:08)

War began as an. As a. So when the Arab Spring kicked off and Syria was overcome by partisan conflict which involved government forces and other forces killing each other, who were the factions?

Dan Holloway (26:19)

Al Qaeda, ISIS versus the Ba'ath party. Right.

Ian Crossland (26:22)

Well, actually there was the Free Syrian Army. Was, was one faction there.

Dan Holloway (26:25)

There was analogous to the Kurds, I guess in that regard, because an out group.

Ian Crossland (26:30)

But what I'm getting to is basically There were about 12 different factions and the argument everybo had before this was you're not going to get a civil war because who would the factions be?

Dan Holloway (26:38)

Sure.

Ian Crossland (26:39)

What happened after three or four years?

Dan Holloway (26:40)

The CIA funded that though, right?

Ian Crossland (26:42)

Sure.

Dan Holloway (26:43)

So I mean maybe, maybe they fund some kind of.

Ian Crossland (26:45)

The point is historically, historically, civil wars everywhere aren't started by two aligned factions marching towards each other in the street. It pockets of violence erupt. For instance, the US Civil war started with bleeding Kansas. So this was not the US government versus Confederate states. It was seven years of anti abolitionist and slavery forces across the country killing each other.

Dan Holloway (27:07)

Sure.

Ian Crossland (27:08)

And then people argued. Yeah, but it's a bunch of random people. I mean, so even after Fort Sumter happened, nobody thought a civil war could happen, even though it already did. And so they went and picked picnic at Manassas thinking there can't be a civil war. But that's when it bubbled up to the highest points of each respective faction. So right now who would the factions be? You know, honestly, I don't, I don't know. But you look at Rudyard Lynch's analysis, which it appears he's got three days to make his prediction. I don't know if you. His prediction was a thousand dead by April. Maybe he means end of April. So he gets an extra month if he wants to be. If he wants to really nitpick, but he said that there would be a People's Congress in Texas and there would be the traditional Congress in D.C. i said, you're wrong. The People's Congress would be in New York City and the traditional Congress would be in D.C. run by Donald Trump because Trump he thought Trump was going to win. And I said, and New York is the epicenter of where the Democrats and the liberals are waging their lawfare and their campaigns. But the issue largely is there is, I guess my point ultimately why I asked about the left and the right is there. There is a left and the right, though it's not like there is this rigid cube for which there are boundaries you can't be in or out of. It's more like it's a spattering on a graph where the further you go out it becomes harder to define. But the closer you get to the nucleus, you can clearly define what it is. So it has its orbit. It's a, it's, it's a, it's a planet with a bunch of different factions that orbit within it, that they work in tandem. Periodically the right has something not so similar for the nerds out there. The left is the alliance and the right is the horde. And what I mean by that is the right is a hodgepodge group of disparate ideologies that have come together largely only because the unified forces of the left are psychotic and burning everything down.

Tim Pool (28:55)

And they're actually forcing your hand to be labeled as right just by virtue of having one qualifying thing that you disagree with them on, forcing you into a box that you don't even necessarily see.

Dan Holloway (29:05)

What's. What are the X and Y axes here? Right. Like if we're graphing left versus right, but they're both kind of, you know, a hodgepodge, I guess. What are the left and right are the X and Y axis.

Ian Crossland (29:16)

There, there, there, there is no easily defined X and Y axis. I can give you several examples that many people have posited recently I've been is those who serve God and those who want to be God. What that idea tries to encompass is the further you go on to the right on this scale, you have people working towards and being part of something larger than themselves, which includes each. And it's funny because you'd imagine that means, you know, communism, but it certainly doesn't. As you go closer to the left, you get hedonistic and people who are willing to do whatever it takes for their own personal benefit, even it destroys everything else. But there's a bunch of different ways to approach it outside of that. And I think culturally it is those. There's so many ways to define it. Smart versus dumb, independent thought versus dependence, cult like adherence to disagreeableness. All of these different things are, are components of this multi dimensional axis. So the way I See, it is on the right, what do you tend to have disagreeable nature. The right has Christian conservatives, it has post liberals, it has disaffected liberals, it has atheists, agnostics, largely Christian, some Catholic, some evangelical, some Jewish, some hate the Jews, some pro Israel, some hate Israel. On the left, they largely adhere to whatever the group think is, even if it's contradictory. So for instance, their anti military industrial complex, which, for which they scream about Israel, but then they support Ukraine. Yeah, they're seeming, they're seeming paradoxes in what they're arguing because it's not about. It's, it's. It's really fascinating.

Dan Holloway (30:51)

There's no underlying principle. They're just taking orders, basically. Well, it's what it feels like.

Ian Crossland (30:56)

It's, it's man. On the right there is, there is logic and code and on the left there is chaos. So as, as long as you are within the orbit of the sphere of chaos and you are aligned with its whims, you're fine. And its whims change every single day. So today they say you got to buy an electric car, tomorrow they burn your car down. It makes literally no sense.

Tim Pool (31:20)

It's also a party of, oddly enough, the. They've done a very, very good job of posing the right as the party of money, as the party of resources, whereas a great number of the very, very rich, very well, very much support the Democratic party. Yet they talk about hating billionaires and that's. That to me, is the one. They've turned billionaire into pejorative. It's now used to other you in a way where it's millionaires, trust funds, politicians who live wealthy off of the citizens, who have turned certain rich people into an enemy and use their wealth. And now they use the term oligarch as a way to other you or other somebody who makes a lot of money. And there's no actual logical conclusion there because a lot of them come from wealthy families. The politicians have made millions and millions of dollars off of the American people. Most of them just willing to look the other way, not realizing that a lot of these politicians enrich themselves off of their own money while other. While othering people who made billions of dollars and created jobs, created things for other people.

Ian Crossland (32:29)

I got to address this super chat. I don't normally do this.

Tim Pool (32:31)

No, you don't.

Ian Crossland (32:32)

But Josh Branson said, Tim, the right is the alliance preserving order and discipline and liberal anti establishment are the horde. The left are the void, a vacuous nothing seeking to consume everything and bind it to its will. My friend, you don't know the law of World of Warcra. That's embarrassing. I can't believe he didn't supercharge it. No, I'm kidding. But let me, let me try it this way. At this point, Warcraft lore has become a convoluted mess of hodgepodge garbage. So we can all agree it's nonsense. There's pandas running around, I don't even know why anymore. And they do kung fu.

Dan Holloway (33:00)

This is now. I'm not a World of Warcraft show.

Ian Crossland (33:02)

Absolutely.

Dan Holloway (33:03)

Period.

Ian Crossland (33:04)

Yes. So when they, when, when, when they. Look, Lich King was great and I played vanilla. I played Burning Crusade. Lich King, I took is where I slowly started just walking away. Then they introduced Kung Fu Pandas. Anyway, I digress. The analogy is this. In the the original Warcraft World of Warcraft, at least the alliance were the establishment forces. The humans with their great kingdom of beauty, the elves with their great kingdom of beauty. Well, to be fair, they didn't have night elves in that point and they were like mystics or whatever. And this, you know, I'm going to get some arguments here from die hard fans. The point is the undead were a faction of the Horde. These were the Lich King destroyed lordaeron, the city of humans, cursed them to be undead. They were mindless zombies serving, serving evil. They broke free from the curse and were immediately shunned and pooh poohed by the establishment. So the Horde took them in. The Horde originally was a hodgepodge group of disparate ideologies and factions who were teaming up for survival. And the alliance were the establishment forces of the existing nations that wanted to keep everything the way it was. So I view the left, which represents the neocons and the neolibs in the establishment as the established order. And what happened is Trump and a bunch of other groups of varying ideologies, even libertarians, come on. Joined together despite the fact they disagree. But I think it's largely a good thing. So enough silliness. My point is, on the right you have people who completely disagree but will hang out with smiles on their faces, and on the left, agree with me or burn.

Dan Holloway (34:38)

And the right and the left are political positions that we, we've, we've assembled ourselves in this new alliance, if you want to call it that, or Horde, if you want to call it that, with very disparate political positions. And I guess you have to. So what we call the left, leftists, progressives, whatever the hell it is, you have to stay in good Standing with the party to be a functioning member of it. Right, that's the point. Right. That's just authoritarianism. There's no need to call it anything else. They are the side of authoritarianism, period. Right. And everybody else, to include people who would consider themselves to be classically liberal or leftist or whatever, are libertarian. It doesn't matter. They're moving into what used to be called the right, but it's just the anti authoritarian.

Ian Crossland (35:21)

But this is, this is just semantics.

Dan Holloway (35:23)

You know, it is to a degree, but the, the point I'm making is that this authoritarian wing has to be defeated by good ideas and pressure. And then from it, sometime in the next several decades, a new left and right will spring out of this coalition that's been made. Right.

Ian Crossland (35:40)

You're right. Right. So I, Jimmy Dore is a really great example. He's, he's a right winger. I, I have no idea how, because he opposes the war machine, he opposes the establishment, the lies though, the international order and all of these, these issues. They say he's right wing because, you know, even though the man is for universal health care, even though he's very Israel critical, it doesn't matter. He's far right, he's alt right, he's all of these things and it makes no sense. The question was, do you support the established order of the left or not? And he said, I support what I believe to be true and correct. So that means he will tell the Trump, he will say Trump is bad. He will say the Democrats are bad. And people on the right, they like that. They say, jimmy, that's a good point. I'm glad you brought that up to us. We'll try and do better. The left says, how dare you defy us.

Dan Holloway (36:32)

Yeah, well that's, that's, that's it. You've got to stay in good standing with the party. And this is what this Jabroni is talking about. He's out of his mind. I mean like the. No, no, no, I know, I know, yeah, let's, well, we'll throw you a campaign rally. But, but the, the idea of a party being self corrected over time through better information, that's what makes it last. Right? That, that's the whole point. Like you have to be able to call out when your side is wrong. They were clearly wrong. There's a lot of people that are calling out the left from the left and like, hey, this is nonsense. You guys got to stop this. And I think there's been more, there's, there's been a lot more activity in calling out Trump when he does goofy things. This time around, I actually have like.

Tim Pool (37:16)

A running list on my phone of, like, the things that people on the right where at least you get a strong sense of people who are like, look, I dislike the, the Christian conservatives are going to disagree with him about ivf. There are certain issues that they're going to push back on, which is a good thing, and you should be looking to do that. But I think the point is, like, I wonder if they worry that the current right, what is considered the right as we see it, meaning like a big tent of disparate ideas that have kind of coalesce under Trump's leadership because he is such a strong face, a strong voice in politics, I wonder sometimes whether that will fracture when he is no longer in office. And if the machine that operates the left, meaning you have the politically uninitiated who vote left just because that's what they've done their whole life, and the rest of them who fall in line with the party because they're scared of what happens if they speak out, if that actually ends up outlasting. Because the disparate voices that argue on the right won't have a voice to coalesce around if nobody steps up in 2028.

Dan Holloway (38:18)

Right. That's in leadership matters for sure. You know, and which is, which is why you got to be critical in a way that leaves room for tomorrow. Like, you get an argument with your spouse or your co worker or something like, hey, you guys still got to live together. You can't, you can't burn the bridge here. You got to, you got to keep this going. But there are things that I think are really important to call out when they're wrong. This is one of them for the left. They absolutely have to do away with this progressive stuff or it won't exist anymore. And then on the, the right, there's some of this, like buying Greenland. I don't care about that. Funding war stuff. I don't care about that. There's a couple of things in the tax plan from Trump that are problematic for me, like carried interest tax. This is something you particularly should be invested in. They like people on Trump's team, I don't know about himself, but people on his team wanted to get rid of what they call the carried interest loophole. That is, you as an investor or a business owner, pay yourself through dividends at the capital gains tax rate rather than the 37% income tax rate. Right. And they want to get rid of that. They want to Bring it back up to 37%, which means you paying dividends from yourself, from IRL Inc. Or whatever your top level organization's called would. Now, instead of being taxed at 20 capital gains plus 3.8% net investment income tax, you would pay a full 37% plus your state income tax on that. Well, so like that's unexpected.

Ian Crossland (39:37)

You're referring to profits as opposed to income?

Dan Holloway (39:42)

Sort of, yeah. You're basically paying yourself.

Ian Crossland (39:44)

I don't know that. I don't, I don't know that it applies to me. I think a better analogy is just in general, somebody who owns equity in a company but doesn't work there is receiving dividends from.

Dan Holloway (39:52)

No, no, you as an owner, you can. Owner and a manager of the company, you can pay yourself in dividends instead of paying yourself a salary. Right. A lot of people do that. And, but also any kind of capital investment you make in a company that's not like a stock or something like that. So again, for comparison, the top tax rate is 37. You're talking about 17 additional percent in tax for the people who move the most money around in the community. And it's completely unacceptable. Think about it this way. Tim Cass makes you. You sign some new big deal and you make a bunch of new money, a bunch of new revenue. I've known you for a while. You don't just go buy a Lambo. You're starting to do new media stuff.

Ian Crossland (40:32)

Just to clarify, when you said dividends, it's. I said, I said the same thing. I think I just didn't understand. That refers to the profits.

Dan Holloway (40:38)

Yes.

Ian Crossland (40:39)

Right, right.

Dan Holloway (40:40)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (40:40)

You get paid out. Right.

Dan Holloway (40:41)

So, so you can, you can pay yourself a percentage of the profitability your company as your salary, but it only gets taxed at the capital gains rate. Right. And the purpose that this, the purpose of this exists for the net investment income tax exists for is such that you as a business owner are going to spend more money in your business. Let's, let's take like a really clear example. You own McDonald's franchises and you have a really good year and you get taxed 20 on the dividend you take out of it instead of 37. You use that extra money. What are you going to do? Most people are going to go get a couple more McDonald's because they want to make more money. You expand your business. That's typically what people do. Even at the lower level, when people get tax rebates from Uncle Sam, what do they do? They don't put it in savings. They Pay off credit card debt or they start something, they spend that money and they put it in the economy. And this is like an economy is the same as a body of water. It's either stagnant and it's got a bunch of algae in it, or it's moving and it's clean.

Ian Crossland (41:35)

So for us, when I get paid in profits, the only thing I save on is employment tax. I don't get a dividend rate. So without getting into too much detail, all the profit of the company is taxed. The full income tax level, even if it's dispersed as profits.

Dan Holloway (41:55)

You don't have to do that.

Ian Crossland (41:57)

I do. We've got a big accounting firm. We have, we have a big account. It takes a really long time to do our corporate, all of our taxes. We've, we've got several tax attorneys and this is how we had to do it. If I could pay less in taxes, if it was a legal means, and they were like, hey, look, here's a deduction, I take it, but I pay an obscene amount of taxes. It's like 50%.

Dan Holloway (42:16)

That's, that's insane. Well, like as a business owner, especially somebody that's been a successful business owner for some amount of time that employs a lot of people, the government should be like, yeah, let's give this guy more of his own money. So he goes, because you're you, you will create more employment for other people.

Ian Crossland (42:33)

Well, here's where, here's where it's broken, is that. And, and I suppose this is just an issue of corporate structure. You can choose to do a C corp and then your, your money is retained by the corporation and tax at the corporate tax level as opposed to the individual level.

Dan Holloway (42:47)

Once it goes to an S corp, you start to get in, or C C corp, you start to get into a little bit murkier territory.

Ian Crossland (42:52)

Yeah, the, yeah. So I, I talked to a, an accountant was reserving, setting everything up and I said, why would we want to do either of these things? And you can be a limited liability corporation, pass through means at the end of the year, all those taxes are your income and you got to pay income tax the full rate as an individual. I do that. I said, I don't want anything special. I'm not playing any stupid games. I'm going to pay my taxes. I'm supposed to pay them. Give me deductions where I get the deductions. The problem is December 31st to January 1st. In this flash of a moment, your company can be utterly destroyed by the way our tax System works. It's the stupidest thing imaginable, they say because this date ticked over from 11:59 to midnight, we now are going to take a large portion of your operation operating account funding. So everyone should understand this, Tim cast as a corporation, as an operations account, so that we can pay our bills.

Dan Holloway (43:47)

Payroll, keep the lights, everything, everything.

Ian Crossland (43:49)

As of January 1st, it's effectively frozen because we now have incurred a massive debt to the government that we don't know what it is until our accountants can go through the books and tell us what that number is going to be. So we need a massive profit margin to make sure that we can cover whatever our projected taxes may be. And so throughout the year, we are forced to save. We can't invest it. We. So we. You could do one thing. Hey, what if you operate at a loss? Bigger corporations. But at our size, maybe once we're bigger, we can play this game at our size. The challenge is we make money every month, and then we have to have that money set aside because we know we have a tax, tax liability coming up. We have estimated taxes that we have to pay every month. The state takes it as well. West Virginia is very burdensome. And then once it ticks over from December to January, January 1, we need money to operate, and we don't know what our tax liability is going to be. So it's this really ridiculous position. Literally right now, until our accountants come back and tell us what our liability is, we effectively can't invest in anything. So the profits that we earn, we may be at zero. We may have earned enough profits to where we've got to pay the government most of it, and there's very little money left over. The, the biggest concern is we operated at a loss or, or close to one. And come January, we're going to pay taxes, which puts our operating account lower than we need to be and puts us in murky territory. If we want to keep money in the account, we get taxed at an exorbitant. It's, it's an insane system. I'll just keep it real simple. From January until December, every month, we're trying to budget effectively to make sure we have enough money every month to pay all the bills. And we need money set aside for if there's going to be a rainy day, a power outage, equipment failure. But as soon as you jump from December to January, all that's out the window and you can't budget effectively.

Dan Holloway (45:41)

It's, it's, it's very silly. It's a huge liability. For the most important businesses in our country, which is small to medium sized businesses, right?

Ian Crossland (45:49)

Yep.

Dan Holloway (45:49)

Because those are the family owned ones that, those are the ones where if they go broke, it isn't shareholders losing value, it's people losing their livelihood. Livelihoods. And it creates these huge burdens downstream in the economy as well. And as you could, because as you said, the big guys can operate at a loss for years and just keep writing that loss off and passing it down the road. You don't have the option to do that. I don't have the option to do that. So when they hit you with a 50 tax instead of a 20 tax, which is still too much, but it is what it is, right? Like we got to fight this battle somewhere. When they hit you with 50, that means that you have to make 50. You, you the upcharge on your services, as it were, have to be 51 or your business doesn't, doesn't exist anymore.

Ian Crossland (46:25)

Here's a good way, a good way to explain it in this line of work. January is a dead marketing month.

Dan Holloway (46:31)

Yep. The where you build infrastructure though. And if you don't have the money to do it, how do you do it?

Ian Crossland (46:35)

Right? And so what ends up happening? We, we, we, we build around this. But let's say at the end of December, your profit is $200,000. So that means the year ends, you've got 200 grand. You need 200 grand to operate January when your revenue sinks because no one's buying ads anymore. So January hits and these are net 30 contracts. You're not going to get paid to the end of the month. So February is the actual dead month because December is actually where they offload. So this is an interesting phenomenon. December is where the marketing departments offload all of their money and ad rates skyrocket for ridiculous reasons. Largely they're just like, we got a million bucks left in the budget, let's buy something. So that money's not going to hit your accounts until February. So January, you've got a couple hundred thousand dollars. Just hypothetically, you use that for payroll, for infrastructure. And now your revenue is way low. You also owe taxes, but you're using the money that you made from the last month for your operations. So that means every month you need to save up, so you have a buffer, but now you have higher profit, which is a higher tax liability. So the more you try and save to offset that, you're gonna have January, February and March as week in revenue months. To be fair, largely February, March and April. Every February people who run media companies get sad because you know your ad rates are low. The revenue from January was very, very bad because nobody was buying. And the money you had left over from last year is being taxed massively. So you have. The first quarter always sucks. This is a ridiculously insane system.

Dan Holloway (48:07)

It's ridiculous. And look, you know, there are good companies and bad companies. Some of them take advantage. The ad sellers, a lot of them want to do their contracts in, in February and March for that reason, because they want you to come. They want it to be your lowest period of the year. It's anti sweeps, basically. Right. And yeah, we get hammered every, every March actually.

Ian Crossland (48:25)

Yep.

Dan Holloway (48:26)

This is the month when they come.

Ian Crossland (48:27)

To and offer you dirt rates.

Dan Holloway (48:28)

Yeah, we're good. We're good. Keep it.

Ian Crossland (48:31)

Yep.

Dan Holloway (48:32)

I mean, next time.

Ian Crossland (48:33)

Right? So to simplify, because we have a tax liability abruptly put on us as a day passes, we try every month to make sure we have a certain margin of profit because we know we need tax liability and operating costs. The problem is the more we save to cover the tax liability, the bigger the tax liability gets.

Dan Holloway (48:51)

It's, it's nuts. It's recursive. It's like. Right, it's, it's certainly the tax liability for everyone sucks, especially for the, the less amount of money you make. It's. It sucks. Any amount of money is going to help you more. But for. If we're trying to build a strong economy from the inside out, taking people's ability to expand what's actually working for no apparent reason either, seems like a very silly thing to do. It seems intentionally to keep people kind of, you know, away from upward mobility, in my opinion.

Ian Crossland (49:23)

Well, let's, let's jump to this viral video that's popped up today. We've got this.

Dan Holloway (49:26)

Got to be careful here.

Ian Crossland (49:27)

You got to be careful here. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta watch it here. Dan.

Dan Holloway (49:31)

I'm Stretch.

Ian Crossland (49:32)

So this is a video from Donald T. News. Unhinged driver pulls a gun on a cybertruck in a road rage incident. What's your reaction? Share so we can identify this man. The question is, is a road rage road rage incident or is this an anti Tesla guy? This might just be a road rage incident. Hard to say it is, especially because what's going on now? We don't know that he actually pulled a gun, but look at this. When are people going to learn that these vehicles have cameras on them? Yeah, that guy's going to lose his arm. You can see his license plate too. I don't know. This Video is going viral, and let's just jump to it. There you go.

Dan Holloway (50:08)

Yes. What? Is that it?

Ian Crossland (50:10)

I don't think it's a gun. I don't know.

Dan Holloway (50:12)

It looks like his index finger is tucked, but I can't tell what it is.

Tim Pool (50:15)

Sunglass case.

Dan Holloway (50:16)

To me, that would be. Look, if you're in Texas, his plates suggest he is. Jeez. And you're pulling something that looks like a gun on somebody. You may want to make sure that it is.

Ian Crossland (50:26)

Oh, I think I know where that is. That looks.

Dan Holloway (50:27)

Stafford, Texas, is.

Ian Crossland (50:28)

Where is it?

Dan Holloway (50:29)

Yeah, it's right. It's right around Houston.

Tim Pool (50:30)

Is the idea that that was like a holstered weapon?

Dan Holloway (50:32)

Maybe that's what somebody said.

Tim Pool (50:34)

It looked like a holstered weapon to me.

Dan Holloway (50:36)

It's hard to tell, to be honest. I don't know.

Ian Crossland (50:38)

I don't know, man.

Dan Holloway (50:39)

Anyway, it's really dumb. And again, like you said, this has been going on for some weeks now. People know that sentry mode's a thing. Yes. Do they know this?

Ian Crossland (50:48)

I guess they don't. Who did we have on? Who just said they didn't know? Carl. Carl Benjamin said, I didn't. I didn't know the Tesla had cameras. He's like, I don't drive one. I don't know. Yeah. Then we have this from libs of Tik Tok Tustin. Police in CA are asking for information on this Tesla. Vandal keyed a Tesla. Well, there you go. I mean, these people. We don't need the music.

Dan Holloway (51:11)

We definitely don't need that music.

Ian Crossland (51:15)

This is crazy.

Tim Pool (51:17)

It's a high emotional dysregulation. It is the way I see most of it's like, what the hallmark of most of these cases is. They get really, really emotional. They have no ability to center themselves or stop themselves from doing something stupid. And they don't care what the repercussions are. That. Or they've just never actually suffered the repercussions from their actions.

Ian Crossland (51:36)

Dude. And all the cognitive dissonance as well.

Tim Pool (51:38)

Like, their own actions are causing a.

Dan Holloway (51:40)

Lot of the problems. They just can't see it. They know they're never going to. Unfortunately, I think some of it is a result of oppress in fomo. None of these people have ever been literally oppressed in their entire lives. And you notice how, like, aside from the. The obese man on the. The homemade four wheeler, which. Impressive, by the way.

Tim Pool (51:56)

That was impressive.

Dan Holloway (51:57)

Like, of all the things that happened, I was like, all right, that's kind of cool, actually.

Ian Crossland (52:00)

Yeah. I mean, not the Vandalism.

Dan Holloway (52:02)

Yeah, that's.

Ian Crossland (52:02)

Whatever. But it was cool that he built that thing. Yeah, I mean, I. I think someone's gonna die some.

Dan Holloway (52:06)

I mean, I. I can't believe no one's been killed in the firebombing stuff yet, to be honest. So, so dangerous, especially with those lithium batteries. We saw it in the Vegas guy that blew himself up. That stuff really ignites.

Ian Crossland (52:16)

Well. So this is crazy. When we saw the story from Vegas of the firebombing in the vehicles, we did not actually know the full story, which they've now released with the arrest of this. This guy, he actually took a rifle and shot upwards at cameras. So those bullets went somewhere.

Dan Holloway (52:32)

Somewhere, yeah.

Ian Crossland (52:33)

Yep. Because he. He missed.

Dan Holloway (52:34)

His gravity exists, obviously.

Ian Crossland (52:35)

Right. But. But also, he missed. He did not hit the building. He then spray painted resist on the building, unloaded the rifle on a bunch of cars, and then started throwing Molotov cocktails. So it was a sustained and prolonged terror attack on this thing for some time. I think a lot of people assumed. I know I did. That it was a guy who threw some Molotovs and ran away. No, he was there for a while and they ended up finding him probably because of this. But, I mean, the extent of these attacks that we've seen, they are worse than we realize.

Dan Holloway (53:03)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (53:04)

And do you really think it's. Do you think it's FOMO because they have oppression, fomo, or is it that they truly do see themselves as somebody who's doing something good for people?

Dan Holloway (53:13)

That's part of it, too.

Tim Pool (53:14)

That's what it feels like. It's the ultimate virtue signal.

Dan Holloway (53:16)

I think it's a symptom of the same disease, because now the social currency used to be honor and integrity. Right. Are you a good man? And that would. That would be your purchase into a community. I'm a good man. I'm a good one. Whatever. Now it's like, rank me on the victim scale, and that's where I am. But if you're a middle class white person, you have. Where do you land on that? So you've got to manufacture it. Right? You have to manufacture somehow. So you have to take on the burdens of other groups, basically, is what happens. So that's why you see all the white people at the BLM stuff. They don't actually. They don't actually care about this. Come on.

Tim Pool (53:50)

That's why they use the language, Ally, because they want. They want to make sure that you're part and parcel to their cause.

Ian Crossland (53:55)

It's why they're showing up to black neighborhoods and burning them down while black people ask them to stop.

Dan Holloway (53:59)

Yeah, it's like, hey, I got a shop there, bud.

Ian Crossland (54:01)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (54:02)

I mean, that was all over. Like in Minneapolis, there was independently owned businesses that were like, please don't burn us down.

Dan Holloway (54:07)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (54:07)

It's not the, the famous video of the. There's a firefighter who saved up, up and then opened a bar, a sports bar was his dream. And he's in the building being interviewed by local news, crying because they burnt. They did. They ransacked it.

Dan Holloway (54:21)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (54:21)

And as he's being interviewed, people are stealing the safe and carrying it out the back. They came back after he gave an interview and burned the building to the ground.

Dan Holloway (54:29)

You were. So you were at some of this stuff with Occupy back in the day. I lived in Oakland during the whole thing in uptown Oakland on Piedmont Avenue, right. And I remember got all these Berkeley students and, and I, I was working in security contracting back then, emergency management stuff. And I was on, I was plain clothes and some of these things. But even by my house, which was on Piedmont Avenue, I saw this large group of white children marching by saying, whose streets are streets? And I'm like, you guys may want to take the temperature on your whole situation here because I don't think you're understanding what's actually going on. It's, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it was very bizarre. And then I was at, I recall being at Berkeley actually, and there were protests going on and a buddy of mine, he's a cop that grew up in West Oakland, black dude. And there's this 19 year old white kid yelling at him, hey, you're a racist. You're a racist. I'm like, oh my God, this is the best thing that's ever happened to me. This is hilarious. Like, you couldn't pay for this kind of irony anywhere.

Ian Crossland (55:25)

Right?

Dan Holloway (55:25)

You know what I mean? So I think these people's minds, to your point, there's, there's, there's a part of it that is like trying to search out this social, I guess, acceptance from somebody somewhere, and they just don't get it anywhere because they're not part of the new victim class, as it were, so they have to reach out and find ways to identify with that. And part of it, well, the way it started was doing the protests and then it moved on to thoughts and prayers and pronouns and, and flags in your bio.

Tim Pool (55:58)

Black squares.

Dan Holloway (55:59)

It's nonsense, right? This is all not. You've, you've gotten all the dopamine and serotonin from helping somebody, but you've never actually helped them.

Tim Pool (56:05)

The true definition of slack to this.

Dan Holloway (56:07)

Yeah, it's. It's absolute nonsense. And now it's like, I think they're waking up to the fact that they've been doing nothing for the last 15 years while this is going on. Like, oh, I better go key somebody's car. I better actually do something. And this is how revolutions begin sometimes.

Ian Crossland (56:20)

Well, so I was. I think I was talking to Cody about it. We were talking about how insane everything's gotten politically on the ground. And I was saying that, like, if. If 20 years ago, a dude dressed up in full, like, neo Nazi outfits and started going around spewing racial slurs at people, what would happen to that guy?

Dan Holloway (56:39)

He would probably get beat up by somebody.

Ian Crossland (56:40)

Probably get beat up by somebody. And that's still true to this day.

Tim Pool (56:43)

That's just Kanye west now.

Ian Crossland (56:44)

So this is. It's still true in every circle. When this guy showed up to. In Portland and you had a bunch of right wingers having a rally and he was wearing swastika when you were out there. I was not there when this happened.

Dan Holloway (56:55)

Okay.

Ian Crossland (56:56)

A guy showed up with a swastika flag and he was doing the Sea Kyle and all that stuff. They kicked him out and they told him to get. They shoved him. They said, get out. The right did that. The left would have knocked him out. But the point is, what we're. I think what we're seeing with the keying is that 30 years ago, anybody in any anywhere would have probably said, you know, someone's like, someone would beat up a neo Nazi guy. The left views literally anybody outside of their political sphere like that. And so the problem is they're insane. But these people who are keying these cars literally think we are in a society that is 99% anti Nazi and that is a Nazi car. So I'm going to damage it. They're wrong because they're diluted based on what the media has been feeding them and what they're getting from social media. But I guess the point of the story is so that we can see how we used to have a cohesive.

Dan Holloway (57:52)

Moral society regardless of political affiliation.

Ian Crossland (57:55)

Right.

Dan Holloway (57:55)

One thing we could all agree on.

Ian Crossland (57:56)

My point is that these people have not become more violent, is that the violence always existed in people to attack those who are deemed outside of the Overton window. And today the Overton windows bifurcated, and we are all outside of their Overton window. So to them, they are justified. In doing this and always have been.

Dan Holloway (58:14)

What do you think the impetus for that is? Do you think people are just naturally growing apart, or do you think it's more the constant propaganda technology?

Ian Crossland (58:22)

It's technically the propaganda, but it's rooted in algorithmic distribution of information, like the.

Dan Holloway (58:25)

Rage out of the outrage algorithm.

Tim Pool (58:27)

You can tie it.

Ian Crossland (58:28)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (58:28)

You can tie it back to when you got the Internet in your pocket.

Ian Crossland (58:31)

Absolutely.

Tim Pool (58:32)

Like, that's, like that was a weapon that was just fed into everyone's pocket. We were talking about it with, with Rachel Zegler in her new movie. In her new movie. And I was like, you do realize that, that these companies aren't putting social media clauses into their contracts and every one of these actors carries around a nuclear weapon in their pocket that can blow a 200, $300 million piece of entertainment in 10 seconds, yet we as a society haven't found a way to deal with that.

Dan Holloway (58:56)

Don't you think it started a little bit earlier, though, like, with the. We saw little flashes of it, and certainly technology made it way worse. It just made it easier and more quick. And it also made it so much easier to get it out to everybody all at once. Well, we saw little flashes like there was the Atwater thing with Nixon with the unfortunate things he said about the south, mostly racist stuff. But then more in the mainstream was the Newt Gingrich. When New Gingrich became Speaker of the House. He's. He. And what's that guy's name? I can't remember the guy's name from the right wing messaging service, but they kind of turned the word liberal into a bad word. That was their main focus in the mid-90s was to make the word liberal a pejorative term. Huh? No, no, not Rush. No. Although he. No, it was a man. I can't remember the guy's name. He's a communications expert for the Republicans. You still see him around everywhere. He's the guy that invented the phrase death tax actually to, to mean the, the capital gains tax. But yeah, he. Like, we saw flashes of it. There was. There were already these people trying to make this point that, hey, that's not just somebody you disagree with, that's your enemy. And then social media obviously amplified that to the nth degree. But in the early days of social media wasn't that. It was cat videos and stupid nonsense.

Ian Crossland (60:12)

Right, but that's also the, the debate that happened, you know, like eight years ago in the, in the culture at the time when it was intersectional femininity. We didn't say wokeness. Dr. Peter Boghossian, James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose argued it was universities that created these ideas. They fomented them. And then the students came out and did their thing. And I argued that's not correct because universities contain many different ideologies and many different student groups. The, the universities adopted these ideologies largely because of the Internet and what young people were using to communicate on a daily basis. So it wasn't the professors that were telling the kids, be communists. It was social media telling them this. And then the kids told their professors, we are communists. The universities then said, the customer is always right.

Dan Holloway (60:57)

Right.

Cody Mack (60:57)

But it doesn't help that these are echo chambers that you're in. Like I've, I got a tick tock a few years ago and I started following a bunch of skateboarders and then I think I came across one of Tim's videos and watched it and then it started kind of feeding me more and more kind of conservative things. I was like, oh, this is cool. You know, I kind of get down with this. But then it started actually becoming like extreme things. And now sometimes I'll go on my tick tock and there's very like, like crazy like we need a white, a white Europe. Like just very to the extreme right.

Ian Crossland (61:22)

Things on tick tock.

Cody Mack (61:23)

Yeah. I'm like, dude, I just want to watch skateboard videos. This is crazy to me.

Ian Crossland (61:26)

See, and this is what I was saying too because everybody always wants to make the joke. You are given I mentioned something like their zit popping videos on Instagram and Pebble Popper.

Dan Holloway (61:37)

Yeah. Not no free ads, but that's.

Ian Crossland (61:39)

Is that, is that a person?

Tim Pool (61:40)

It's a real person.

Dan Holloway (61:41)

Well, so she's made millions of dollars.

Ian Crossland (61:43)

These, these are vomitus disgusting videos. And Instagram will try and show them to me. And then people go haha, Tim, it's showing you what you like. No, no, no, no. It's testing the waters with various random things at a time. So when you go on Instagram or Tik Tok, it periodically will show you something random, a mutation in the algorithm.

Tim Pool (61:59)

Feels like it does that on Sundays to me. Like my Sunday algorithm looks multi.

Dan Holloway (62:03)

Multivariate testing is what it's called in the market business.

Ian Crossland (62:05)

Yeah, it's a, it's a genetic mutation.

Dan Holloway (62:07)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (62:07)

Periodically it's going to show you a little bit of what you like and it's going to slowly evolve. You know what, I'm really, really, really. I want to swear so bad. I hate ping pong.

Dan Holloway (62:17)

That's a weird thing. To hate that.

Ian Crossland (62:19)

But I hate it because of Instagram.

Dan Holloway (62:21)

Oh, really?

Ian Crossland (62:21)

Because they keep sending me the videos and I don't watch them. And I. Competitions of people playing ping pong. And it's. And it's crazy because I feel like they're running an experiment on me, which is why I'm so pissed off about it, because I've never watched the video. I don't watch the video. It all started when I went to the Apple Valley Mall or whatever in Winchester with Allison, and we were waiting for Zoomies to open and we were 10 minutes early. So we walked to the mall and they had a ping pong table and I chuckled and I said, hey, let's play. And we played a silly game with we don't really know the rules. And then I said, whatever. Never tweeted, never posted, never took pictures, went to Zumies, looked around. I think I was buying. I was buying. It was when I bought a bunch of wheels and bearings for the. For the park that we have downstairs. I was like, we just need a ton of bearings for people. If something breaks on the way back in the car, I look, there's a ping pong video in my feed. I ignore it. I don't watch it. Now it endlessly feeds me ping pong. And I've actually got. So first I said, I'm gonna ignore it and just keep doing the skateboard videos. Skate, poker and skateboarding. And sometimes what do I get? Poker, skateboarding and food. Lots of pizza. Dave Portnoy videos where he's eating pizza for days. But I do like those videos, so that's okay. So. So it got to a point where I got so many ping pong videos that I just actually went in and said, this is disturbing on every single one, every time. It will not stop sending me ping.

Dan Holloway (63:39)

Pong to this day.

Ian Crossland (63:39)

To this day.

Dan Holloway (63:41)

You may want to call it, like either an exercise, I think it's an expert, or the FBI or something.

Ian Crossland (63:45)

I think it's an experiment to see if they can force someone through repeated exposure to start watching content they don't like.

Dan Holloway (63:51)

Well, they haven't met you. That's not going to work.

Ian Crossland (63:53)

I know. I'm just going to get more.

Dan Holloway (63:54)

You're just going to get angrier.

Cody Mack (63:55)

It goes, no, that's how these tick tock videos are. I like I said, I just want to watch funny. Like, I sent a lot of memes to my girlfriend Julia, like a bunch of cat. And it's like, okay, we send skateboard videos. We send this. And I keep getting all this weird propaganda, like just being completely fed into my feet. I'm like, dude, I don't want to see this type of stuff. I just, I get on. Yeah, this is on. Tick tock, man. It's really weird with Instagram, it's not as much.

Dan Holloway (64:16)

It's weird to me how they decided to couple the different groups of information together.

Ian Crossland (64:21)

Right, yeah.

Dan Holloway (64:23)

Like what? Maybe, maybe that's the result of the testing that's gone.

Ian Crossland (64:27)

Okay, I just gotta say real quick.

Dan Holloway (64:28)

Are you seeing one right now?

Ian Crossland (64:29)

No, no, no. But I pulled this up and it made me realize something. So I get a lot of skateboarding, magic the gathering and poker and then comedians because I follow Ryan long and then depending on.

Dan Holloway (64:42)

He's hilarious, by the way.

Ian Crossland (64:43)

He's fantastic. And Danny, Danny, Polish Chuck, shout out. But it started showing me a bunch of severance clips.

Dan Holloway (64:50)

That's because you were saying the word in front of all these devices.

Ian Crossland (64:53)

I guess so that's what that is. I, I, I, I, I used to not think that was the case.

Tim Pool (64:57)

It's definitely Tim Cook in particular was like, no, Tim. But you're going to watch this.

Dan Holloway (65:01)

Samsung's been sued twice for this. The, the TVs and then the refrigerators were listening to you.

Ian Crossland (65:06)

Refrigerators.

Tim Pool (65:06)

Yeah, yeah. To your point though, about the emotional dysregulation in your phones is like you, you notice if you spend, especially before bed, if you spend a lot of time on your phone, it can absolutely affect your mood. Yeah, yeah, Right. So you fall into a death spiral of just looking, looking, looking. Now imagine you have no self control and you're consistently looking at your phone and you're out in public and you're watching all of this stuff that upsets you. And then you see a Tesla and stuff like that. Like maybe 10 years ago, that guy sees that at home on his television. But he goes outside, he gets fresh air, he gets away from the screen for even 20 minutes, right. And it somehow recalibrates his brain even just a little bit to allow him to say, that's not a good idea. Do not do this. Something bad could come of doing something like this. But if you have it being fed to you 24 hours a day, seven days a week, you're not going to be able, especially if you're not aware that it's happening. And I wonder sometimes if any of them even think about what their algorithm is actually doing to you. Like, I mean, I feel like people maybe in this space actually do more than your average person because your ideas are being called into Question. So you're wondering what the content that you're looking at. And I feel like both sides end up falling into it at least a little bit. Right. So if you're not paying attention to what the algorithm is feeding you, it's upsetting you, it's angering you, and you don't have any other way to let it out, and all you do is you see a Tesla, you see a cyber truck and say, I have to do something.

Dan Holloway (66:31)

It's also moralized, right? Yes.

Tim Pool (66:33)

Like they've rationalized it and they believe they're right.

Ian Crossland (66:36)

I actually. So I got one of the videos. You ever see one of these?

Dan Holloway (66:41)

No.

Ian Crossland (66:42)

It says, can the ball escape all 1000 rings in time?

Dan Holloway (66:48)

That's just a death scroll sentence right there.

Ian Crossland (66:50)

And there are tons of videos like this where they're nonsensical mind rot videos where you just look at the screen and then watch a ball bounce around for one minute.

Dan Holloway (67:01)

I catch myself sometimes. Yeah. Watching it, I'm like, oh, I got to get out of here. You know, to your point about emotional dysregulation, we have completely interrupted the very natural process, or relationship rather, between effort and outcome. And I think that's a big part of this. It used to be that, you know, if you don't work, you don't eat. That's. That's the best way to see it, I guess. But effort used to equal outcome, right. And the effort in this, in this regard, in the social regard, as far as social acceptance goes, it used to be that my community needs something. So I'm going to either develop my skills to be able to do it, or I'm going to help. Help right now. And I'm going to win the social reward for that. Both physically, like the biochemicals in my body are going to reward me for it, but also society rewards me for it. And now we get those rewards without having actually done anything. So there's. That's the positive. It's. It's weaponizing the positive stuff against us. And then you're. What you're saying is weaponizing the negative part of it. And it's. They're both very true.

Ian Crossland (67:54)

So to try and wrap up that point I was making earlier, which launched this conversation about universities and social media because someone super chatted saying professors are commies. You're indeed they are. They are. You are correct. But not all of them. Many of them were classical liberals. There weren't a lot of conservatives.

Dan Holloway (68:10)

Actual classical liberals.

Ian Crossland (68:11)

Right.

Dan Holloway (68:11)

Not the way that people say it.

Ian Crossland (68:13)

So what ends up happening is, I know I explained this a lot to, you know, periodically on the show, but for those that don't, the context forget. For those that know this already, forgive me. But for those that don't, let's say you're 10 years old in 2006, you're not on Facebook. A couple years later, you joined Facebook. You're now 13 at that. @ that time, at the end of the 2000s, there was a website in the top 500 websites in the world, and all it did was display police brutality videos. They were making millions of dollars doing this because Facebook would promote those videos more than anything else. The rage and injustice generated traffic clicks and shares, and Facebook didn't care what was causing it. It just said, whatever works. So at the time, YouTube was largely promoting big tittied women thumbnails for most YouTube creators that were successful were constantly incorporating women in bikinis because you had a choice on the front page of YouTube, what are you going to click? YouTube said, Whichever one gets clicked the most, that's the one we want. And so people started clicking on thumbnails of big tittied women on Facebook. It was a scroll feed. Whatever you'd stop and look at and then share. Facebook would say more what ended up happening to these, these young kids. You're 13 years old, you're on Facebook, you're seeing, you know, it's my birthday today, you know, just got married. A new movie is out and a police murdered a black man. You scroll down, movies, movies, police murdered a black man. You scroll down. This is. This is how we have a generation of people. When asked how many unarmed black men are killed by police, they say 10,000, 20,000. When the number is actually nine.

Dan Holloway (69:51)

Nine. Yeah. Doug Douglas Murray had that in his last book, I think, right about that. Like, if you ask the. The breakdown is if you ask somebody who is a solid Democrat, they say 100. If you ask somebody who is a. Or I'm sorry, center left. If you ask somebody who's a solid, I only vote for Democrats, it was a thousand. And if you ask a progressive, it was 10,000. And the answer is nine.

Ian Crossland (70:12)

So what's happening is at this time, companies were trying to figure out how to make money. And they said, what articles get shared the most? I actually worked for some of these companies in the early 20, in the 2010s, and they said, rage any. So mothers, middle aged women are the most likely to share content, and content that makes you angry is most likely to get shared. So the target was make content that's going to off moms. A kid grows up on Facebook seeing literally nothing but police beating black people. They believe this country is a bunch of white supremacists running around beating black people. They see a black cop and think to themselves, why would he support an institution that literally exists only to beat black people?

Dan Holloway (70:57)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (70:58)

But they don't realize that they were being fed an echo chamber. For us that were older, we talked about the echo chamber at the time.

Dan Holloway (71:04)

We lived before it. We had the good fortune of having lived before it, actually.

Ian Crossland (71:07)

So when we were all saying it's an echo chamber, we know we still understood what life was like before that. But this exists for the right and the left as well.

Dan Holloway (71:16)

Oh, yeah.

Ian Crossland (71:17)

That being said, one of the greatest gifts the left accidentally gave was the censorship of the right, which forced the right onto a bunch of different platforms, resulting in a bunch of different ideologies. And it made rational normal people find the ability to communicate in a space that was dominated not by one power powerful ideology, but many different that came together. Whereas the left, it's adhere to the cultural else.

Dan Holloway (71:40)

Yeah, yeah. And I think in very simple terms, we amplified rage. Whether it was intentional or not, it doesn't matter. And then we turned off testosterone in men, which produces a complete deregulation of emotional control. Like you lose it all.

Tim Pool (71:57)

There is no emphasis on any form of stoicism anymore.

Dan Holloway (72:00)

Right. Yeah, yeah. Which stoicism is basically just like the first thing you should master is yourself.

Tim Pool (72:04)

Yes.

Dan Holloway (72:04)

If you wanted to define stoicism, that is it.

Ian Crossland (72:07)

It so yourself. Anyway, should we as a society take control of the social media platforms and decide what content gets shared?

Dan Holloway (72:16)

I don't think you can. I mean, these algorithms are so complicated now, I don't even know if the people that made them understand what's going on.

Ian Crossland (72:21)

You can. What YouTube does is they put a negative algorithmic threshold on right leaning content and a positive one on left leaning content.

Dan Holloway (72:30)

Sure.

Ian Crossland (72:31)

So TikTok does this very heavily. And then what ends up. What ended up happening with the tick tock ban is you got a bunch of conservatives cheering for it, despite the fact they were in the ghettos of TikTok. They wanted this massive machine to exist which props up leftist ideology and destroys conservatives because they were getting morsels. So it's possible.

Dan Holloway (72:49)

Well, when you say we as a society should take it over, who is we exactly?

Ian Crossland (72:54)

The ones who win the culture war?

Cody Mack (72:57)

Because I have to say I do disagree with that to a degree. Being able to control what's being put out there. I Think that, that you should be able to be the creator of whatever you want and however you want yourself to be viewed online. I just think the aggressiveness of some of these algorithms gets out of hand.

Dan Holloway (73:10)

I mean, they're completely leading you down.

Cody Mack (73:12)

These radicals to extremism. Like, so I do have to say I don't agree with necessarily controlling what's put out on the Internet, but not just, just leading them.

Dan Holloway (73:19)

I think what Tim means is how are we going to manage this in a way that they're not doing exactly what you're talking about.

Ian Crossland (73:24)

Right.

Cody Mack (73:25)

Yeah. So I would think it would be more of a let off the gas pedal in those algorithms instead of controlling the media.

Dan Holloway (73:30)

Yeah. I mean, yeah, but people will create their own, I guess, like. Yeah, one of the early things that Elon talked about in Twitter and it never really materialized probably because it's just too much of a lift at the moment. And we both agree and have since this, since he purchased Twitter, that he got it for the AI purposes.

Ian Crossland (73:44)

Agreed.

Dan Holloway (73:45)

But anyways, beyond that, one of the things they talked about in the very early days was being able to, to open source the algorithm and then manipulate it yourself with radio buttons or whatever it was. Right. That never materialized. But I would be very interested in seeing even a small test version of that somewhere.

Ian Crossland (74:00)

Or the Fediverse.

Dan Holloway (74:02)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (74:03)

Where you basically network into how you see fit. But I, I would say to you, Cody, the issue with what you're describing is we left the gasp on the algorithms. There is. So when YouTube first started, when Facebook and, and Twitter first started, there weren't algorithms. It was reverse chronological feeds. The, the content that dominated YouTube was any thumbnail with, with. With boobs in it. I'm not trying to be crude. That's true.

Dan Holloway (74:27)

Because YouTube's 93 men. Of course it did.

Ian Crossland (74:30)

But, but even then, like the saying, the, the, the. I guess the joke is, who's on the COVID of a woman's magazine? A man or a woman on the.

Dan Holloway (74:38)

COVID of a woman's magazine, it's a woman.

Ian Crossland (74:40)

And there's on the COVID of a men's magazine, a woman. Exactly. Should be so.

Dan Holloway (74:43)

Right.

Ian Crossland (74:44)

And so women are. Have no problem clicking on these things. Maybe not at higher frequencies, but men will always. And so it didn't matter what the content was. Early YouTube had a problem where someone will make a video where it was just like a black screen with a timer, but the thumbnail would be, you know, a hot woman and it would have millions of views. So YouTube said, okay, when we do nothing, people Flood the zone with insane garbage that's pissing off our users because they think they're clicking a beautiful. Okay, here's what we can do. A light touch, thumbnail fraud. If your thumbnail does not represent the video, we can ban you from the platform.

Dan Holloway (75:18)

Yeah, and they did. They did other, smaller things too. Like a view doesn't count until it's seven seconds or 10 seconds or 13 or what? They changed it over time. Now it's 30.

Ian Crossland (75:26)

I remember. Remember the days of old 301 plus. Oh, yeah, early YouTube. Any video that exceeded 301 views within a short period of time would freeze at 301. And you knew. It's like, oh, it's getting a lot of views. I wonder what number's gonna be. But. So that's the issue of do nothing. You do nothing and you get garbage, pure garbage. Because then the algorithm is simply the human algorithm. So we want sex, drugs, and rock and roll, and that'll be the only content. So YouTube said, the problem is that results in people leaving the platform because people would click on this video and get nothing and say, that's not what I wanted. I'm getting frustrated, and leave. So they implemented rules. Then the advertisers, a long story short, they started making a bunch of changes. One of the issues with social media was too much content was being posted. So YouTube has completely abandoned subscribers. Subscribers mean literally nothing to everybody watching the show right now. Hit the notification bell and make sure. Because you have to say this. YouTube warns you how many of your subscribers actually have selected the notification bell? And now the notification bell doesn't even work either. The argument was, when you subscribe to a channel, you will get a notification when that channel produces a video. And those are the videos you will get on the front page.

Dan Holloway (76:40)

But it only sends several notifications per day.

Ian Crossland (76:42)

Not at first, Right. So what happened was people started getting angry. I'm getting too many emails every day. And YouTube said, you subscribed to these channels unsubscribe and. But I don't want to. It's like, okay, then we're gonna limit the notifications you can receive. People then started subscribing to too many. So they were subscribed to too many. So when they would go to the front page, it would be a random spattering. And now they weren't watching anything. So YouTube said, we're gonna have to decide for you. Now, on YouTube, 40% on average of a channel's viewership are unsubscribed and do not subscribe but they watch regularly, which is nuts.

Dan Holloway (77:18)

That's crazy.

Tim Pool (77:19)

What's your, what's the percentage for this channel?

Ian Crossland (77:21)

I think it's, I think it's 40, 60, 40. Actually it's less. It might be like 25 to 30.

Tim Pool (77:28)

Ours is like split 50. 50?

Ian Crossland (77:30)

Yeah.

Dan Holloway (77:30)

Wow.

Tim Pool (77:30)

Yeah, like it's about 50 is unsubscribing.

Dan Holloway (77:34)

We're talking about a mountain of cut. I think it's over 700,000 hours of content uploaded to YouTube daily now. 700,000 hours.

Ian Crossland (77:40)

You know, it's the, you know, it's the funniest thing about YouTube. I actually, I was meeting with Google back in like 2012 at Google HQ and talking to them about their plans and what they were doing. They wanted to compete with Netflix explicitly. The YouTube managers, I'm sitting in the Google room at lunch and they said, Netflix is stealing all of our users. And I said, you're not going to compete with Netflix. You're insane there. What? Before Netflix existed with online streaming, YouTube had all digital viewership. People had nowhere else to go. That's why Vice documentaries were so big, because it was long form content. So Vice. So I'm sorry. So YouTube said, let's prioritize videos that are at least 10 minutes long with a high watch time. That way we start getting more Vice documentary style videos. What did they get? Video game streams and podcasts. How did they respond? No, this is not what we want. Ban them. Ban them all. We don't want video podcasts and they can't come banning everybody.

Tim Pool (78:40)

And they can't compete with the streaming services with documentaries anyways because they get them out. The infrastructure is so well built that they get documentaries done two days after a story breaks.

Dan Holloway (78:48)

Which is really funny too now because YouTube's heavily invested in live sports.

Ian Crossland (78:52)

Oh yeah.

Dan Holloway (78:53)

As well.

Tim Pool (78:53)

And so, I mean, Netflix is getting into that as well.

Dan Holloway (78:56)

Oh yeah, Netflix has WWE now, which is crazy.

Ian Crossland (78:59)

You know. You know what I will say is really fascinating is 10 years ago I predicted fame would be over in, in the next 10, 20 years. And I stand by that. Largely except in sports. And it's because sports leagues can only be so big as a league, whereas media distribution can be an infinite number of channels.

Dan Holloway (79:17)

You just describe why a fiat con. Fiat currency is stupid, by the way.

Ian Crossland (79:22)

Explain.

Dan Holloway (79:23)

Because there's a finite amount of real currency and a fiat currency you just print more, which means it has no intrinsic value.

Ian Crossland (79:29)

Indeed.

Tim Pool (79:29)

So where does, where do you draw the line at celebrities? Who's going to be the.

Dan Holloway (79:33)

So celebrity having 200,000 people that know who you are isn't really a celebrity in the way that we think of it.

Ian Crossland (79:39)

Right.

Tim Pool (79:39)

Right.

Ian Crossland (79:40)

So if. If so what was. It was. So I was at NAB in the Netherlands having this discussion and some guy said, you are wrong. There will always be celebrities, athletes. He's like the messy. Or I can remember what he mentioned the time, but like the top soccer player in the world is always going to be super famous. And I said I disagreed. I would actually split the difference now and say he was, he was largely right about that. I was wrong, but he wasn't as right as he thought. The amount of people who are going to know who the top basketball player is goes down, but they will still maintain celebrity status, more so than any other area of media because there's only so many teams, only so many games. It doesn't. So right now for media, some people watch cnn. Some, some people watch Joe Rogan, some people watch Jeremy Hambly, some people watch Russell Bland's Brand. So sorry, Russell. Russell Brand. Some people watch Tim Cast irl. I think Russell's great, by the way. That was a slip of the tongue.

Dan Holloway (80:39)

The la. The whatever you think of him. Bland is the last thing you could call him.

Ian Crossland (80:42)

Right, right, right. But the point is it's not one show anymore. There's even, even. You know, with all due respect to Joe Rogan, based on the current podcast stats across the board, his numbers have, have decreased substantially from where they were several years ago because more and more shows keep emerging.

Dan Holloway (80:59)

Right.

Ian Crossland (80:59)

And people are dispersing. So some people, you know, I went on a radio show in New York and the guy said, man, you're like the king of the Internet. And I'm like, oh, come on, bro. We have like 2 million subs. It's a big show, but there's 2.

Dan Holloway (81:10)

Billion people on YouTube.

Ian Crossland (81:11)

Yeah. And, and, and there are shows that get a million 2 million per night and we're doing 6, 700,000. So, you know, we're big. But he watches the show and his friends watch the show. There are so many shows. There's going to be mid level fame, but then athletes because they're not going to make more soccer leagues, more World Cups. That fame will still be there.

Tim Pool (81:32)

Yeah. Ronaldo will still be the, the most subscribed person on social media.

Dan Holloway (81:37)

Yeah. We might be going through just like a modality change right now.

Ian Crossland (81:42)

Real quick. Someone super chatted this the other day. Taylor Swift is considered to be a megastar right now, but she's pulling in a fraction, a tiny fraction of What Metallica pulls in and that is the celebrity superstar of the day. And she gets nowhere near, like, what was that video from the 90s of Metallica playing in Germany or whatever.

Dan Holloway (82:02)

Oh, yeah.

Ian Crossland (82:02)

There's like 15 million people or something.

Dan Holloway (82:05)

People. Yeah. What was Russia? Yeah, it was Russia.

Ian Crossland (82:07)

Russia.

Tim Pool (82:07)

Phil, when you need him. Phil, to talk about.

Dan Holloway (82:10)

It was Russia for sure. Yeah. I can't remember how many people were there, but it was like a lot of people. Excuse me. Sorry about that. There's a lot of people there in 1991. 91, yeah. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (82:18)

That's insane.

Dan Holloway (82:19)

Yeah, it's wild. So we might be reaching the point.

Ian Crossland (82:21)

1.6 million people in attendance.

Dan Holloway (82:23)

This. This might be like a natural. Like a natural process of the physical world that's happening right now, to be honest. Because if you think about like the. The counterbalance between nuclear fusion and gravity in the star, it's what holds it together, right? Well, it continues to explode. At some point, it gets dysregulated, turns to iron in the core and it blows up or it becomes a red giant, whatever happens. Right. I think we're seeing some decentralization in media that isn't planned. It's just happening as a natural result of. There's too much. There's too much. So they're. So nobody's going to watch. Nobody in your lifetime is going to watch one day's worth of YouTube.

Tim Pool (82:59)

No.

Dan Holloway (82:59)

It's 720, 000 hours a day. You won't watch that much in your entire lifetime. Nobody will.

Ian Crossland (83:04)

Right.

Tim Pool (83:04)

I mean, most people aren't going to be able to do that with. With regular entertainment.

Dan Holloway (83:07)

Exactly.

Tim Pool (83:07)

The thing I laugh about, people like, we need to make great new shows. I'm like, bro, there is enough stuff out there from the last 30 years that you could watch everything. You wouldn't be able to watch everything.

Dan Holloway (83:15)

If you tried, but the scale is way different now. So that's the. That's the problem we're having. Our brains were not. They didn't have. It didn't evolve to be constantly impacted by attention to media like this. So what's the natural reaction for a human being? I'm going to narrow my focus down and just look at this. So to your fans, Tim, you are a celebrity, right? And you always will be. Even though it's not what Michael Jordan was at any given point and it never will be again, probably. I think you're right about that. I think it's also affecting our modalities of communication. We've gone in this big circle where we started out around a campfire listening to the wise old dude tell stories about our ancestors. And then we kind of graduated to sitting around a campfire listening to somebody read from a book after the printing press. And then we went to sitting around a radio listening to Louis Lamour and C.S. lewis and Tolkien serialize their content on the radio. And then we sat around the television listening to the president. But now there's too much. There's not three channels anymore, there's a million.

Ian Crossland (84:15)

So Taylor Swift, her largest show ever. 96,006 attendees. Metallica, 1.6 million.

Dan Holloway (84:26)

That's how many were at that Russian show. 1 6.

Ian Crossland (84:28)

1.6 million.

Dan Holloway (84:28)

Lord.

Ian Crossland (84:29)

To be fair, however, looking it up after the Black Album tour, Wherever we may roam, Metallica was, was getting 40,000 plus many around 60,000. Taylor Swift currently does around 60,000. So, you know, comparable. Yeah.

Tim Pool (84:46)

And what you're saying about celebrities are a result of institutions. So when you say Michael Jordan, the institution is basketball or LeBron James. When we talk Michael Jackson, you're talking about the music industry, which are built up by large scale companies that put, put millions of dollars into this one individual because the return on investment is very, very high around that one person. Now you have institutions like platforms, which would be like YouTube here, where somebody can, in a decentralized manner, build up a following of their own. But it's fractured compared to the size of it.

Dan Holloway (85:18)

It also tracks with what we value as a civilization. Not, not the sport or the type of entertainment, but the type of person. Because we go from, you know, I guess people like Jimmy Stewart who interrupted his career multiple times to go serve in the US military, or Bob Feller or Ted Williams or Joey D. All these guys that left highly successful entertainment careers. That's what athletics are. To go serve their country somewhere. We went from that to the Kardashians over the course of 40, 50 years. And you know, they're out there on the hustle, they're making their money. No, no, hate, I guess, but. But you know, if you as a society admire people who sat to your point from earlier, who sacrifice to something greater than themselves versus just looking in the mirror. We wrote a story about this. It's called Narcissist. It's where the word came from. He looked in the, in the water so much at his own reflection that he turned into flowers. Right. It's not a, that's not a guidebook, that's a warning. You know what I mean?

Ian Crossland (86:13)

So, so I think maybe what we should do is seize all of the Big tech platforms. And. And then what we do is alter the algorithms to only. The only channels that do well will be firefighters, police, EMTs and U.S. service personnel. So you will get a little bit of music here and there, but all the kids growing up are going to see.

Dan Holloway (86:34)

I mean, Elvis was in the army.

Ian Crossland (86:35)

Indeed he was.

Dan Holloway (86:36)

And then Hendrix was in the army. He was in the 101st Airborne.

Ian Crossland (86:39)

There you go. I am kidding, by the way. I would prefer these things.

Tim Pool (86:43)

This is one of the reasons that entertainment is worse now is that the people who have gotten. Gotten into these industries haven't lived the lives that those in the past served in the. Served in the military, did something really, really, you know, monumental with their life before they found their calling in the arts. Right. But they've got Adam Driver. I think Adam Driver was a Marine. Yeah, they've got that going for him now.

Dan Holloway (87:04)

But I mean, look, there's. Not to say there are good people in Hollywood either. There's plenty. I know a lot of them. You got a book. Nick Searcy was in Hollywood for a long time. Yeah, he's a good dude.

Tim Pool (87:12)

Everybody should watch Justified. If you have seen Justified. Fantastic.

Ian Crossland (87:15)

Don't watch Severance.

Tim Pool (87:16)

Don't watch Severance. Watch.

Dan Holloway (87:17)

She's not in that. I don't think. No, I don't. He wasn't Justified.

Ian Crossland (87:21)

I'm just. I'm just ragging on Severance.

Dan Holloway (87:23)

You should just. Is it. What, Is there something like an anti ad? Is that a thing?

Ian Crossland (87:28)

Oh, but, but make an ad to.

Dan Holloway (87:31)

Severance and sending them an invoice.

Ian Crossland (87:33)

Actually, the best thing I could do if I want to hurt the show is go into liberal circles talking about it's the best show ever and they should watch it.

Tim Pool (87:39)

That would.

Dan Holloway (87:40)

Or you could just play it on your show and people would see how bad it sucks.

Ian Crossland (87:43)

And then I don't. I. I don't. I don't need to get into all that. I was just joking. But I. I hate that show. And season two is really season one. I give a C minus. Like, it's not that it's bad, it's just not good.

Dan Holloway (87:53)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (87:53)

But season two is remarkable.

Dan Holloway (87:55)

I haven't seen season two.

Ian Crossland (87:57)

Remarkably bad.

Dan Holloway (87:57)

I'm not gonna watch it then.

Ian Crossland (87:58)

You know that, like, spoiler alert, there's an episode that ends with a major plot development in the middle of it.

Dan Holloway (88:05)

It.

Ian Crossland (88:05)

And then the next episode completely erases it from happening. Totally changes the subject. And then so I'm skipping through being like, whoa, I'm not in this situation where I'm Watching a tv and I can't skip. So when I turn on the next episode and I'm like, I want to know what the story is. I'm just fast forwarding and I'm like, I look around my guys. What just happened? Like, the episode was intense. Shocking moment. High pitched music and then a shock. And then I'm like, whoa. Next episode, not nothing. So I skip the episode. The next episode starts. Nothing. And then he talks to a character and says that thing. It's over. And I was like, what?

Dan Holloway (88:43)

Wow, that's really bad writing.

Ian Crossland (88:45)

Really bad writing.

Tim Pool (88:46)

Just go rewatch the Wire.

Dan Holloway (88:48)

Yeah, the Wire.

Tim Pool (88:49)

Watch the Wire.

Dan Holloway (88:50)

Yeah, the Wire's great. You can actually go participate. It's right down the road.

Ian Crossland (88:55)

You can go participate.

Tim Pool (88:57)

It's still like that, that I started watching it.

Ian Crossland (88:59)

I never. I've never seen it.

Dan Holloway (89:01)

The Wire.

Ian Crossland (89:01)

Yeah.

Dan Holloway (89:01)

Oh, it's really good.

Ian Crossland (89:02)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard great things.

Tim Pool (89:04)

Yes.

Dan Holloway (89:04)

They jumped the shark a little bit in the final season with the serial killer stuff.

Tim Pool (89:07)

I stick to, like, the first three.

Dan Holloway (89:09)

Yeah, yeah. It was still good.

Ian Crossland (89:11)

Yeah. Daredevil Born Again is a C minus show, but considering how bad severance is, wow. Daredevil Born Again.

Tim Pool (89:18)

I'm two episodes behind. Have you gotten to the. How are you caught up?

Ian Crossland (89:22)

Oh, yeah.

Tim Pool (89:23)

Okay. The episode, like episode three with the guy who gets caught stealing the fiddle Faddles might have been the worst. Might have been the worst writing I've ever seen on television ever. He is the least sympathetic person in the history of television.

Dan Holloway (89:36)

Is he supposed to be, though?

Tim Pool (89:38)

No, he's. I think you're supposed to sympathize with this guy that's caught stealing.

Ian Crossland (89:42)

No, because Matt Murdock doesn't.

Tim Pool (89:44)

I don't buy that the writers are that nuanced.

Ian Crossland (89:47)

I don't know.

Tim Pool (89:47)

I mean, he still goes in. Unless you're saying that the argument here is that even though he disagrees with him, he goes and pleads his case because that's his job.

Dan Holloway (89:55)

That's what John Adams.

Tim Pool (89:57)

Okay, so he pleads his case to this lady and he talks about the failure. He talks about the failure of. That was the best scene in the. In the show. But he talks about the failures of Broken Windows policy and stuff like that. It's the worst writing. And the. I. I disagree that he's the word. That he's the worst character. He's the worst.

Ian Crossland (90:15)

I. I didn't think it was like Lord of the Rings or anything, but when. So, so basically there's a guy, he steals five boxes of Fiddle, fiddle, garbage, snacks. He starts complaining about how he's poor, he can't get a job, nobody wants to hire a felon, and he's hungry, so he steals. Then they lock him up again. Now he can't get welfare. Now he has no food. Now he's hungry again. The system is busted. It's not his fault. So he refused to go to prison. And Murdoch is like, you stole. You're going to jail.

Dan Holloway (90:43)

It's a real liar.

Ian Crossland (90:43)

Liar. Yeah.

Tim Pool (90:45)

The point is, there is a way to write that character with a tiny bit of introspection that makes you feel for him, like, okay, the system is broken. Okay? There are a lot of ways in which once you find yourself, one bad decision leads you down a path of just absolute hell that you can't control. But he doesn't have a second of introspection.

Ian Crossland (91:02)

That's not what I took from it. What I took from it was there are these people who want to be serial criminals who think they're justified in doing so and they should go to jail. And so what happens is Matt Murdock, lawyer, he goes to the prosecution, he goes, what are you giving him? And she's like, 30 days. And he's like, come on.

Tim Pool (91:19)

And he's like, that scene was great. The scene that was the best scene they've done in the show.

Ian Crossland (91:22)

He wants probation. And she's like, are you joking? He's been arrested several times already for the same thing. And then you see them negotiate. And she goes. And then he finally talks her down to 10 days. And he goes, yes. And then he goes. He's like, I got you 10 days. And the guy's like, no, I ain't going to jail. I want to go to court. And then Matt Murdoch is like, you stole. You're going to jail. Take your 10 days.

Tim Pool (91:42)

There's a point in which he could have been. He could have been thankful for getting the 10 days where he has a moment of self reflection, goes, thank you. Thank you for the 10 days. He doesn't even get that.

Ian Crossland (91:51)

The. The next episode. So you haven't watched after that.

Tim Pool (91:55)

I'm too bad. Yeah, I'm too behind.

Ian Crossland (91:56)

Well, there's.

Tim Pool (91:58)

There was. I'm like, I finished those two that. I finished that one and the one after it. I don't. I'm not bank robber one or. No, I haven't watched that one yet.

Ian Crossland (92:04)

So this episode is Vincent D'Onofrio and back and everything. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Tim Pool (92:08)

Skinny Vincent.

Dan Holloway (92:09)

Oh, he's skinny now.

Ian Crossland (92:10)

He's getting fat again.

Dan Holloway (92:11)

Oh, good for him.

Ian Crossland (92:12)

Yeah.

Dan Holloway (92:13)

But wait, wasn't he just fat in that? Godfather's a Harlem thing. When did he get skinny?

Ian Crossland (92:18)

He.

Tim Pool (92:18)

Okay, skinny is relative. He's skinnier than he was when he played the kingpin. And he was a big boy.

Ian Crossland (92:23)

The next episode of Daredevil, it may as well be a one off short film. Unrelated.

Tim Pool (92:28)

It was. It was. That was the only one from the original set of order that they did for this series that didn't get edited or reshot in any way. So that. That was shot in the original run. When they first started trying to make Daredevil born again, they scrapped everything. Episode two had some reshoots. Episode five is left completely alone. That's why it feels so different.

Ian Crossland (92:48)

Well, it's a standalone. Yes, completely standalone episode. It's just good Daredevil fun. Yeah, he just beats up a bunch of bad guys.

Dan Holloway (92:53)

Sometimes you need. Oh, dude, he shatters a guy palate cleanser.

Ian Crossland (92:57)

Right there's. He's. He's fighting a bad guy. And let me just say, they show he knocks him down and then the guy is leaning against the wall and his leg is straight and he jumps on his knee.

Dan Holloway (93:08)

Maybe he learned something from John Bernthal there on that one.

Ian Crossland (93:11)

Well, the original Daredevil on Netflix was pretty brutal.

Dan Holloway (93:14)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (93:14)

And now it's kind of not. But this was so I appreciated it.

Tim Pool (93:17)

The first six episodes. The. The first arc of the Punisher in season two of Daredevil is some of the best writing that they've done on television.

Dan Holloway (93:24)

Yeah, it was pretty good.

Ian Crossland (93:25)

Punisher was great, but now it's Disney fied.

Tim Pool (93:28)

Even the, Even the Punisher show wasn't really that great because the CIA, you know, arc for that doesn't actually make sense for the character.

Dan Holloway (93:35)

No.

Ian Crossland (93:36)

Yeah. But what other good shows we got going on right now, we're waiting for Tulsa King. Right. That show's great. Three, it's crazy that Stallone's like 900 years old, but he's like in his.

Tim Pool (93:44)

70S, and he's just jacked and.

Ian Crossland (93:45)

I know. And. And it's. That's the show. Have you seen Tulsa King?

Dan Holloway (93:48)

Oh, yeah.

Ian Crossland (93:48)

Oh, it's awesome.

Dan Holloway (93:49)

I only watched the first season. I watched season two also.

Tim Pool (93:53)

Yeah. Through the magic of. Of medicine. Like, Dana Delaney is like, aged back 10 years as well.

Dan Holloway (93:59)

Well, you know, they can reverse aging in my style. You've seen this, I'm sure.

Ian Crossland (94:02)

What I like in a show is like Sylvester Stallone's character in Tulsa King is kind of a dick, but he's kind of all right. Too.

Dan Holloway (94:09)

And that's just a guy from 25 years ago.

Ian Crossland (94:12)

Right. But. So, like, he does some bad stuff, but he protects the people that work with him. And when you wrong him, he wins. Yeah, I like. I like that.

Dan Holloway (94:20)

The anti hero model works really well. Tony Soprano.

Ian Crossland (94:23)

Yeah.

Dan Holloway (94:23)

Really well. Right. And Breaking Bad worked really well. Vic Mackie worked really well. Jax Teller worked really well. Anti heroes do well.

Ian Crossland (94:31)

But it's. I don't mean just anti hero. I like watching moral.

Tim Pool (94:34)

He has a moral code.

Ian Crossland (94:36)

Right. But what I mean is he doesn't deserve you to be the bad guy to him. And when you try, he destroys you. That's what I like. You know, I like. I like the scene where the guys at the bar like, hey, man, I don't want to fight. Leave me alone. And the guy picks a fight, and then he gets crushed. And the dude's like, I told you not to fight me. I like those scenes where the honorable guy is like, I'm trying to avoid the conflict here, buddy.

Dan Holloway (94:55)

Yeah. Like that scene early on in the. When Tom Cruise played Jack Reacher where he was like, remember, you wanted this.

Tim Pool (95:03)

The guys outside of the bar. When he then. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (95:05)

Yes.

Tim Pool (95:06)

When they do. When they work very hard to make him look taller than that.

Dan Holloway (95:08)

Was he.

Ian Crossland (95:09)

Yeah.

Dan Holloway (95:09)

Because Jack Reacher in The book is 6465. The guy playing him now is quite a bit closer.

Tim Pool (95:13)

I maintain that that first Jack Reacher film is actually really good. It's a great fact that he isn't necessarily accurate as to the.

Dan Holloway (95:20)

Well, if you'd never heard of Jack Reacher before, that's a great. But it's.

Ian Crossland (95:22)

But it's because Cruz wanted to make the film, right?

Dan Holloway (95:24)

Yeah. And it only got made because they.

Tim Pool (95:26)

Were trying to make Jai Courtney a thing at the time. It didn't really work out, but he was great as a bad guy.

Dan Holloway (95:30)

He was good on Rome.

Tim Pool (95:31)

Yeah.

Dan Holloway (95:32)

They tried him even.

Ian Crossland (95:33)

That's.

Dan Holloway (95:33)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (95:34)

Say what you will about Tom Cruise, I love his movies.

Tim Pool (95:36)

Yep.

Dan Holloway (95:37)

He's the best entertainer.

Tim Pool (95:38)

I have the Tom Cruise. I have the. The Tom Cruise candle. Vote of candle.

Ian Crossland (95:42)

Oh, yeah.

Dan Holloway (95:43)

I think he's the best entertainer of our.

Ian Crossland (95:45)

You know. You know who else I really like? You. Give me a movie. I don't care. The plot. Jason Statham goes around beating the crap out of people.

Tim Pool (95:52)

I'm gonna watch Working man this weekend.

Dan Holloway (95:54)

He's on a string of these, like, Beekeeper and Working man are the same movie.

Ian Crossland (95:58)

Exactly.

Dan Holloway (95:59)

Literally the same movie. And it's just like, oh, we're calling it Working man now.

Ian Crossland (96:02)

I'll watch every single one.

Dan Holloway (96:03)

I'll watch it too.

Ian Crossland (96:04)

Every single one.

Dan Holloway (96:05)

There's going to be a couple of sequels, I think. The Beekeeper. I think there's two more of those coming.

Ian Crossland (96:08)

I'm down.

Tim Pool (96:09)

It's because, I mean, David A. Is kind of single handedly going to bring back the mid budget movie, mid budget esque. Because he's got a fairly good reputation, Suicide Squad notwithstanding. That wasn't his fault. You know, that's. I'm looking forward to that one. But you know, go back and watch the Transporter. The Transporter is amazing now, but by today's like, it kind of gets lost in the weeds at that time period because there were so many movies like that being made. But you go back and you re watch it now and it's just so much fun.

Dan Holloway (96:36)

I mean, to be honest, Transporter was a better version of the Fast and Furious movies, in my opinion. Like, I'm not a huge fascinator.

Ian Crossland (96:43)

Furious Landman is really good.

Dan Holloway (96:44)

Leyman's great.

Ian Crossland (96:45)

Really great show.

Cody Mack (96:46)

I feel like the Meg though is kind of where I draw the line.

Tim Pool (96:49)

I don't know that I didn't see the Meg.

Cody Mack (96:51)

Yeah, that one didn't. Yeah, but he's not.

Ian Crossland (96:54)

He's not traveling around beating the crap out of people. He's fighting.

Cody Mack (96:56)

He's just beating the crap out.

Dan Holloway (96:59)

It's a Megalodon.

Cody Mack (97:00)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (97:00)

You know, some executive, you know, some executives. Like, how about instead of bad guys, it's a shark.

Dan Holloway (97:06)

It's just Jason Statham.

Tim Pool (97:07)

It's very 80s Hollywood.

Ian Crossland (97:09)

The story is deep underwater. There's like this layer of some material and underneath it there's a bunch of Megalodons that can't penetrate through it. Then something breaks through and the Megalon gets through it or whatever.

Dan Holloway (97:21)

It's probably graphene down there. I'm glad Ian's.

Tim Pool (97:24)

Oh, yes.

Ian Crossland (97:24)

Oh, yeah.

Tim Pool (97:25)

I will say, however, if anybody wants to talk to you about the difference between honest diversity and forced diversity in Hollywood, the Fast and the Furious is the movie you bring up. If you want to talk about a movie that's actually diverse, that nobody actually talks about it being diverse. In fact, they talked about making a female Fast and the Furious movie and then everybody crapped on it because nobody wants it to be forced into here.

Ian Crossland (97:44)

We're gonna go to your chats, my friends. So smash that like button. Share the show with everyone. You know, give us a like. Every like you give represents one more federal employee getting fired. I wonder how many people are gonna be like, I'm not gonna like that.

Tim Pool (97:58)

All the homes on sale in Loudoun County.

Ian Crossland (98:00)

All right, let's go. We'll start with Evan for us. Can anyone tell me if there are actual differences between gender and sex? I have a family member who's studying clinical psychology and I suppose they're supposed to be actual differences. Is it bs? It is bs. It was used interchangeably forever. And now to suit the needs of leftists whose ideology makes no sense, they decided there are two different things. Ask them what gender means and they can't tell you. They would define gender as self expression in law, which is what they do in most jurisdictions. And that literally means personality. So gender then means nothing.

Tim Pool (98:31)

Or they give you the. It's a spectrum and then don't explain what that means either.

Dan Holloway (98:35)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (98:36)

Tyler Today says I love the show in the Tim Cast Discord community. Tim need help to reach 100 followers on Rumble by Monday, Please shout me out. Tyler Today News. Well, best of luck, good sir. Best of luck. Freedom Sauce says Utah just became the first state to ban fluoride and public drinking water. Let's go. Wow.

Tim Pool (98:55)

And pride flags in government buildings, if I remember correctly. Or was that somebody else?

Ian Crossland (99:00)

Wow.

Dan Holloway (99:01)

Meanwhile, Colorado is trying to outlaw hunting rifles.

Tim Pool (99:05)

Yeah.

Dan Holloway (99:05)

Which is not great.

Tim Pool (99:07)

Could be worse. Could be ninja swords.

Ian Crossland (99:08)

Yeah. Ninja swords.

Tim Pool (99:10)

Ninja swords.

Dan Holloway (99:11)

Like I. I really do you have this law in the UK that they're trying to get past this upcoming week. They're trying to vote on it this upcoming.

Ian Crossland (99:18)

Yeah. Is it specific katanas or.

Dan Holloway (99:20)

I want to know what the word they use.

Tim Pool (99:22)

I hope it actually.

Dan Holloway (99:22)

Is there going to be a British Commonwealth law that says that ninja swords, literally, ninja swords. That phrase are illegal.

Tim Pool (99:29)

I hope that's actually what they use.

Dan Holloway (99:31)

Please tell me that that's. That's true.

Ian Crossland (99:32)

So does this include wakazashi as well?

Tim Pool (99:35)

Little sword, Right?

Ian Crossland (99:36)

Yeah. Because when they. When they would fight indoors, you had the long sword for outside of the short sword for inside short ones.

Tim Pool (99:41)

The wakazashi.

Ian Crossland (99:42)

Right? Yeah.

Tim Pool (99:43)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (99:43)

Well, but that's a samurai sword.

Tim Pool (99:46)

Okay. That's. That's going to be the best. Somebody's like, ninja swords are banned. Guys like, yeah, this is a samurai sword.

Dan Holloway (99:51)

It's actually going to do the voice too. Actually. This is a samurai sword.

Ian Crossland (99:55)

What. What if it's a Chinese john? A Chinese broadsword. Is that okay?

Dan Holloway (99:59)

Yeah. And then call them racist because this is not a ninja sword. Ninjas are Japanese. This is Chinese.

Ian Crossland (100:04)

Is a British claymore band. Scottish. Scottish. There you go. Scottish claymore.

Dan Holloway (100:10)

I don't think that was ever illegal there to me.

Ian Crossland (100:12)

Are they just banning Asian swords because they're racist?

Tim Pool (100:14)

Yes.

Dan Holloway (100:16)

You gotta ask the questions.

Ian Crossland (100:18)

All right, what do we got? Kyle says Trump should sign dozens of executive orders in July 4th that shrink government and strengthen our freedoms. It would then be on us to encourage our reps to sign them into law. Which EO should be first? Or you can just do it and then say, sue me. You know, there was a really great point that was brought up on the culture war this morning. We were debating the legalities of Trump's actions, principally the deportations of Mahmoud Khalil. And the. The liberal feller argued, you can't sign away your rights. The conservative fellow argued, as a condition of visa and entry, you can be deported. You can't speak, you can't do these things. Like, you can't be disruptive. The liberal argued, free speech applies to all that are here, whether legally or otherwise. The First Amendment applies to everybody, and you can't waive your rights just because you're coming here. To which I countered, in order to buy a gun in this country, you are legally required to waive your Fifth Amendment rights. Why do we tolerate something like that? If so, you know, I think there's something that actually needs to be addressed. It's been brought up many times by gun rights advocates that the Knicks form requires you to self incriminate. And this is what Hunter Biden refused to do. So I defended Hunter Biden. I was on his side with this one. He should have won on that gun charge. He should have taken it the Supreme Court and won. So I'll just stress, if you would like to exercise your Second Amendment in this country, you forfeit your Fifth Amendment rights as it pertains to certain issues that. How is that constitutional?

Dan Holloway (101:45)

It's definitely not. It's.

Ian Crossland (101:46)

Well, we gotta win that one. Yeah, let's go. I'm an American man says, hi, Tim, do a kick flip. You know, we should do. We should get a remote HDMI so we can actually, you know, free float around the room when we need to. That'd be fun. Because then someone could be like, okay, maybe. Actually, my legs are stiff from sitting here for three hours, so ain't no way I'm landing a kickflip right now. Actually, I could. I could probably do it. Maybe not a couple years, I'll be too old.

Cody Mack (102:14)

As long as it's not a front shove.

Ian Crossland (102:16)

Not a front shove. A pop shove, maybe. Kenneth Hart says the culture war was exhausting today. My wife. My wife is here after 10 months on 10 year green card. It took two months to prove she wasn't a member of Filipino terror group. We were both clearly warned. If she offends the US in any way, she is out.

Dan Holloway (102:36)

I think that's a pretty reasonable standard, to be honest. Like you're here if you're, if you're not a citizen or you haven't, you haven't received a green card, specifically not a visa yet. Why should the entirety of the protection of our natural rights extend to you? Right. That's a, that's, I think that's a reasonable question for people to ask. And I. Because the cost, the price for entry used to be assimilation and that was a reasonable thing. Even Jefferson said this, that a great deal of immigration at one time could disrupt our natural culture in America. He said that in 18 oh, I believe it just, it seems like it used to just be that way. It used to just be that the price for entry was assimilation and people all agreed to it. They came here because they wanted to be America. Now they.

Ian Crossland (103:24)

Right.

Dan Holloway (103:24)

They come here for other reasons. So maybe we need to take another look at that is all I'm saying.

Ian Crossland (103:28)

We have a great chat from sinuv1. He says Lotus eaters said they weren't even Japanese, they were Somali. So now the Somalis have both pirates and ninjas. We're done for. I was going to say something like they're light years ahead of us. You know, one can only be jealous.

Dan Holloway (103:46)

I don't know what timeline Somalis are light years ahead of us on, but that's a timeline.

Ian Crossland (103:50)

They have ninjas and pirates, bro. Now I think that this argument over constitutionality and rights and everything has become redundant and it is everyone diluting themselves. So I just, you know, and I argue this to both the liberal and the conservative gentlemen. They both disagreed and I disagree with them. When the left justifies their arrest of Donald Trump's lawyers because, well, they weren't just providing legal advice. The legal advice was for criminal endeavors. Yeah, it's like what, codified law? Rico. What? What? What rico? Well, they were trying to overturn an election. You decided, I'm done. The left is going to argue whatever they want whenever they want to be able to do whatever they want. And the right tends to let them them. So what's the point of even arguing? So it's a violation of the first, the free speech of Mahmoud Khalil if he's deported. I'm like, he wasn't being deported for his speech. Yeah, he's being deported because he's a, he's a threat to foreign for national security under, what is it, 237 subsection A or whatever.

Dan Holloway (104:48)

It's, it's 1180 and 1220, I think in the, in 8 USC. When it comes to visa, even immaterial support of any kind of foreign terror group or any kind of foreign adversary can get you ejected immediately if you're here on a visa. Well, you can agree or disagree that that's correct or just or whatever, but it's legal.

Ian Crossland (105:08)

That's, you know, Right. The reality is what we deem to be allowable or not is meaningless because it goes to the courts and the courts make determinations and the courts are comprised of judges who are put in power by those who held the power. So really, here's what it is. If the economy is good or bad, someone's going to win. When they do, we're then hoping the Supreme Court shifts so that we can put appointees on. Lucky for Donald Trump, he ends up getting lucky enough that Hillary Clinton sucked and the economy was bad enough that people would vote for him. He gets to put in three conservative justices which now starts siding across the board with the worldview of Trump. Otherwise I'm sitting here listening to our lawyers be like, well, in this year they said this and this year they said this. And I'm like, I don't care at all who said what. But the question is right now, do we society tolerate what they're doing? And the left and the right are completely bifurcated on what they deem to be moral and just. So the left is going to argue for their whims and power when they want. The right is going to do the same. I think the right is comprised of a moral worldview that is correct. And the left are degenerate, amoral crackpots. The left think the inverse. The right is an evil cult, whatever. I don't need to argue with people who I think are degenerate and amoral and are doing things that defy moral and principle. But they're going to do that and accuse me of doing the inverse. I'm like, then why are we, why are we going to have a conversation? The question is to what degree of force is being exerted to implement our worldviews. I am happy with non violent court cases. I don't want any chaos or conflict. And if we can all agree that if the judge bangs the gavel, the battle is over, fine. The problem is the left isn't doing that. They're firebombing Teslas they're shooting up Teslas, they're beating people in the street. So I don't know where this goes, but this argument that people have that it is or is not allowed in the Constitution is completely meaningless right now. You have under the Immigration and Naturalization act, everything Trump did is allowed.

Dan Holloway (107:01)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (107:01)

Yet somehow a court is still saying it's not allowed. Well, clearly the interpretation is meaningless then.

Dan Holloway (107:06)

Well, basically, even the reasons that have been given for some of these injunctions, like the one that pertained to transgender people in the military, the judge that. What the judge says, what did that was demeaning. I'm sorry, that's. There's no constitutional guarantee of not being demeaned at some point.

Ian Crossland (107:21)

I saw.

Dan Holloway (107:22)

What the hell are you talking about?

Ian Crossland (107:23)

Well, so I asked him, is it cruel and unusual punishment to put a male prisoner in a female prison?

Dan Holloway (107:33)

It is for the females.

Ian Crossland (107:34)

Not according to the left. For the left, the cruel usual punishment is a trans person being put with males.

Dan Holloway (107:39)

Sure. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (107:39)

Okay. So now the 8th just said there shall be no cruel, unusual punishment. So what are we allowed to do? Nobody agrees. We're all. So the left and the right are both going to claim they're following the Constitution and the other side is unconstitutional.

Dan Holloway (107:51)

You think it's wise that we keep referring back to this and I mean the minutiae of the law, like common law, Constitution and so on, case law, that's happened over the time. Do you think it's wise for us to do that and not just like, let's have a couple of principles that we definitely agree on and then every generation will figure out the next thing I remember.

Ian Crossland (108:11)

Well, principles are meaningless is the point, to some degree.

Dan Holloway (108:14)

But the. To Jefferson wrote a letter to James Madison when he became president or right before he became president, and he said, the earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then and what proceeds from it and as they please during their time here. And however they see fitness, it like, basically, life belongs to the living, not to 250 years ago. And I'm not saying, obviously, the. The Bill of Rights is a very important thing to us. And I think most people should agree on the underlying principle of that. And if you don't, there's probably something messed up. I disagree on which part.

Ian Crossland (108:51)

The Bill of Rights is indeterminate in what the cons. The seven articles of the Constitution are fair and fine. They out. They outline the structure of governance, the three branches, etc. Freeze. First of all, the Second Amendment has never been protected. Never. And it's only until 2008 and then 2010 that we actually had a right in this country to bear arms, despite.

Dan Holloway (109:13)

The fact it literally, technically speaking, that is true. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (109:16)

I mean, literally speaking.

Dan Holloway (109:19)

I mean, we, we operated as if we did, but there was no codified law that actually said it. We just assumed that that's. That was the case.

Ian Crossland (109:25)

Except you'd be arrested and charged for having a gun in numerous places. Which triggered D.C. versus Heller and the McDonald's v. Chicago. Free speech has never been protected in this country. Obviously in the 70s, George Carlin got arrested for swearing at a nightclub doing comedy. But even before then, when they, when they codified and established the Bill of Rights, you could be arrested for blasphemy, you could be arrested for public obscenity, which was things you spoke.

Dan Holloway (109:48)

Sure, yeah.

Ian Crossland (109:48)

So they did not deem those things to be free speech. You have once again, the 8th amendment. No cruel and unusual punishment. But we have consistently had cruel, unusual punishment. How about in recent times, the mockery of men who are raped in prison. And that is the punishment you are told you will get.

Dan Holloway (110:05)

So everybody always says, even, even the 9th and 10th.

Ian Crossland (110:08)

Oh, right.

Dan Holloway (110:08)

Like we don't actually, we don't actually operate under a federalist society in any meaningful way. Right. I mean, that's just not true.

Ian Crossland (110:17)

Now the seventh Amendment.

Dan Holloway (110:17)

So much power.

Ian Crossland (110:18)

The seventh Amendment is my favorite because we have absolutely. This one makes the least amount of sense.

Dan Holloway (110:24)

It makes the least sense of any of the amendments for sure.

Ian Crossland (110:27)

Well, it's because of inflation and because the Federal Reserve destroyed our system. Do you guys know the seventh Amendment is the right to a civil jury trial for matters $20 or more?

Dan Holloway (110:36)

It's. It's the one.

Ian Crossland (110:37)

$20 back then was 200.

Dan Holloway (110:39)

Yeah, it's the one. Even, even if it was a gajillion back then. You know what I mean? It's like that's a completely. The expectation was when they wrote the Bill of Rights that it was going to be a timeless document that we could refer to and then adjudicate based on the circumstances. Circumstances of today. That was supposed to be the point. How the hell is the seventh Amendment apply to that in any meaningful way? It's just nonsense. That's like the redheaded stepchild of the amendments.

Ian Crossland (111:04)

So the ninth Amendment, the, the enumeration of the constitution of certain rights should not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. But we haven't ever defined them.

Dan Holloway (111:13)

No, we haven't. We also to the point, you can't to the point you made a minute ago, the adjudication of the Second Amendment that happens at the federal level put you in hot water with the fifth, right. So you have, you have like the standard for purchasing certain types of weapons has been codified in law to violate the ninth and the fifth.

Ian Crossland (111:34)

Oh, and the second, what the hell, the nfa. I mean, this, this, this, this is another instance where you have to waive your rights in order to try and exercise some of your rights, not to mention the purchase of literally any weapon. And the 10th Amendment, of course, the power is not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Dan Holloway (111:54)

Yet seriously, that's the least respected writing of that's ever been written on paper.

Ian Crossland (111:58)

Right?

Dan Holloway (111:59)

Give me a break. Come on, man.

Ian Crossland (112:01)

Yeah, the federal government applies laws and then goes and enforces them wherever they want.

Dan Holloway (112:04)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (112:05)

So my point is this. Everybody tries to use the Constitution. All they're really saying is, I bet I can make an argument that will convince enough people who don't pay attention to agree with me. This piece of paper gives me an argument. The liberals say I will use the exact same document and argue the inverse, notably the second Amendment. They argue that you gotta be in a militia.

Dan Holloway (112:31)

I mean, that's basically just an ontological argument. But about the laws of our country, it's a metaphysical discussion. It doesn't have any basis in reality because you're operating on two different data sets, your facts and my facts at that point. And it's in our interpretations based on those facts.

Ian Crossland (112:46)

Right.

Dan Holloway (112:47)

So silly.

Ian Crossland (112:48)

If you think about it, in the, in the Constitution you have seven articles and they basically outline the structure of governance. When people say it's unconstitutional, they're always referring to the Bill of Rights. They're never referring to the actual structures of the Constitution. Only until trump with articles 1, 2 and 3 are they now arguing what Trump is doing is unconstitutional or otherwise, which is hilarious. This, the Bill of Rights. So these things are clear cut. The first articles, the executive shall have the power, the judiciary shall interpret, blah, blah, blah. But the amendments themselves, abridging the freedom of speech. It's been a bridge the whole time and to this day. And the other, the other, the other argument is the interpretation of these extends beyond just their initial meaning. The best example being the third Amendment which says, no soldier shall in time of peace be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner, nor in a time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by Law. So a lot of people always ignore the third. They say, when do we have to worry about soldiers being in our houses? This has been interpreted by the Supreme Court not to refer to soldiers, but to mean the government can't commandeer your house for any reason unless prescribed by law.

Tim Pool (113:56)

So imminent domain.

Ian Crossland (113:58)

So arguably, yes. Yeah. But eminent domain is codified in law, so as prescribed, they're allowed to do it. In which case, what's the point of the Third Amendment when it literally says Congress can just pass the law to override it? So my point ultimately is everybody wants to claim they're protected under certain amendments to live in the moral world they want. And the real problem this country has is there is no singular, cohesive moral foundation.

Dan Holloway (114:22)

Right. So we should probably look into that.

Ian Crossland (114:28)

That's why I say we're in a culture war. And at this point, they're going to accuse anything Donald Trump does of being a constitutional crisis and unconstitutional. So Trump is like, I have the legal authority to deport, you know, enemy combatants and illegal invaders that I declare. They're now saying, no, you can't. The Babylon be had. A great article. Donald Trump resigns from president's presidency to take a D.C. court, a more powerful D.C. circuit Court judge position.

Dan Holloway (114:54)

Yeah, right. Of which there are what? Well, I don't know, about 15 D.C. circuit. But of. Of the district courts that exist, I think there's like 680some judges. So any one of them would get to say no, which is not true. Guy who got 80 million votes, you're not allowed.

Ian Crossland (115:08)

Right.

Dan Holloway (115:09)

Come on, man. So is this what we're doing here?

Ian Crossland (115:11)

And the question then is going to be, will Donald Trump exert authority to combat those who would seek to stop him? And they've. There's already been two zealots who tried to kill him. We don't really know what happened with the first one. The second one was pro Ukraine Democrats, literally Democrats, I'm just not being cute. Have arrested his lawyers in, I think, two different states, criminally charging his lawyers. They've tried seizing his property, accusing him of crimes. Will Donald Trump just say, that's the way the cookie crumbles, or is he going to say, if you want to play that game, I'll play that game all the same. And I think the only. The only thing we can do is hope for is that Donald Trump is willing to exhort all authorities and powers he has under his interpretation of the Constitution because the Democrats are operating under their interpretation of the Constitution. And then we hope it doesn't Come to any kind of extreme violence or anything, and people chill out, and then we get singular order.

Dan Holloway (116:06)

I would say we have to hope as well that Congress codifies some of this stuff and Trump can exit like Cincinnatus and not leave us with a succession problem with powers he created that are going to be abused by people in the future.

Ian Crossland (116:18)

Yep.

Dan Holloway (116:19)

Like, that's a big thing. I like J.D. vance. I think he's got a really good shot of winning moving forward. He's. People seem to like him except for the extreme left, and he's a very bright guy. But this is always the problem with any kind of concentrated power is the problem of succession.

Tim Pool (116:34)

That's the number one.

Dan Holloway (116:36)

But can you trust the next guy with the power? You just.

Tim Pool (116:38)

Not even.

Ian Crossland (116:38)

But to be fair, the Democrats are. They have not. Nothing.

Dan Holloway (116:41)

They haven't. Yeah. So, I mean, they're talking about running Kamala and Waltz again.

Ian Crossland (116:45)

Right.

Dan Holloway (116:46)

And I don't know, other than like, certainly Shapiro is an attractive candidate, but he says he doesn't want to run.

Ian Crossland (116:52)

He can't. He's Jewish.

Dan Holloway (116:53)

He's got. He's Jewish. He's got young kids. A lottery.

Ian Crossland (116:55)

Well, but I'm not trying to be cute. I mean, Serge is laughing. But it's true.

Dan Holloway (116:58)

It's. It's a hard sell right now. And I. To me. So he turned down Harris when she asked him. Right, right. And the reason he turned it down is because he looked around at his friends on the left and like, you guys hate me. Why am I going to run for you? Okay, so, I mean, that's.

Ian Crossland (117:10)

That they. They would lose Michigan. And that was the concern.

Tim Pool (117:13)

I have a question then. So how many votes did Trump get in 2016 and then 2021.

Dan Holloway (117:20)

60 something. Yeah.

Tim Pool (117:22)

Okay. And then how many in the. In 2024? Okay, and then. And then in 2024, it was 74.

Ian Crossland (117:28)

Again, we've got the real numbers. Trump got 62.9.

Tim Pool (117:30)

Okay.

Ian Crossland (117:31)

And then in 2020, Trump got 74.2 to Biden's 81.2.

Dan Holloway (117:37)

74 in this one as well.

Ian Crossland (117:38)

And then 2024, Trump got 77.3 to Kamala. 75.

Tim Pool (117:42)

And so how many outside, outside of the anomalous of 2020, what did the Democrats get in 2016 and 2020?

Ian Crossland (117:49)

2016, Hillary got 65.

Tim Pool (117:51)

And then.

Ian Crossland (117:52)

And then in 2024, Kamala got 75.

Tim Pool (117:55)

Okay. So if they can run a candidate as bad as Kamala and get 74 million votes, is it not reasonable to think that unless they get a very, very, very Good Republican candidate that can also coalesce a whole bunch of people under that banner. Again, that they run the risk of default. Liberal Democrat types just voting for whoever is there. And without a strong. And without a strong personality in place.

Ian Crossland (118:20)

You don't think so because the census shift is going to pull like that's true. 2012 votes or something. Yeah. So with I think mass deportation too.

Dan Holloway (118:29)

Right.

Ian Crossland (118:30)

Was it.

Dan Holloway (118:30)

California's losing to it.

Ian Crossland (118:31)

It's going to be way worse than that.

Dan Holloway (118:33)

Wow.

Ian Crossland (118:33)

Because of the mass deportations. So when you look at net out migration of blue states to red states, it's going to shift something like what, seven or eight. Then when you add in all the mass deportations, that's not. That's not a net plus for the Republican states in terms of migration. It's a straight net negative for the blue states.

Dan Holloway (118:50)

Yeah. This is something that people don't understand about the Electoral College. They. The census is what deter not the voters or even registered voters or even citizens. The census is what determines whether or not you get an extra. It's.

Ian Crossland (119:01)

It's.

Dan Holloway (119:01)

What is it, 780,000 people in a district like that. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (119:05)

So Democrats want illegal immigration so they get more votes for the president and.

Tim Pool (119:10)

A legal servant class.

Ian Crossland (119:11)

Indeed. And more seats in Congress. So the more. So this is the funny thing. They. They argue illegal immigrants don't vote and then the right says they do. They don't. They don't need to. By. By merely existing in a district they get an extra congressional rep. So the state has more power over everybody else.

Dan Holloway (119:29)

Yeah. Which is funny because Trump's mass deportation is going to do more to protect our elections than any election law.

Ian Crossland (119:34)

Indeed.

Dan Holloway (119:34)

Or ID law.

Ian Crossland (119:35)

But I think that Democrats probably won't win. As Ezra Klein pointed out, as of right now, the census shift, still five years away, is going to result in Democrats losing so many electoral votes that even if Kamala won Pennsylvania, Michigan in the last election, she could not have won.

Tim Pool (119:52)

Okay.

Ian Crossland (119:53)

So when you bring up the point about 75 million votes, maybe the next president, maybe J.D. vance doesn't get the popular vote. But the. But the electoral college votes. It won't matter.

Dan Holloway (120:02)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (120:03)

So we'll see. All right, let's grab. Let's grab one more here before we head on out. Eric Skelly says the left vandalizing the cyber trucks are turning them and owners into true cultural rebels due to just owning the vehicle. Could get you hurt. Badass truck, badass owner. Just like punk rock or being in a metal band.

Dan Holloway (120:22)

Do you. Do we.

Ian Crossland (120:23)

We drove around in the cyber truck. Me and Cody, people were screaming at us.

Dan Holloway (120:26)

Well, do you have. Do you go ahead and preempt it and. And tag up your own truck? There's a guy driving around, and so I live in Dripping Springs, just west of Austin, right? And there's a guy that drives a cyber truck around, and it's covered in very detailed graffiti. It was done on purpose, right?

Ian Crossland (120:42)

Oh, really?

Dan Holloway (120:42)

By him. But not like, like months ago.

Ian Crossland (120:45)

Okay.

Dan Holloway (120:45)

It's. It's been cruising around for probably six, eight months now.

Ian Crossland (120:48)

My joke was that if anyone ever comes up to me yelling at me, I would just be like, I. I don't. Don't look at me. I didn't know Elon was gonna go crazy, but as soon as he did, I bought a cyber truck.

Tim Pool (120:57)

These things are great.

Ian Crossland (120:58)

Yeah. All right, everybody, thank you so much for hanging on this Friday. We were chilling. It's a slow news day. You get what you get. I know a lot of people are like, where's the news? Sometimes, lack thereof. But we're gonna hang out and have a conversation regardless, because that's what we do. So smash that, like, button. Share the show with everyone you know. Join the Tim Cast Discord server. Get involved. Don't just be a passive observer of the news. Be an active participant. You go to timcast.com you click join us, then you. The Discord instructions are right there and you're hanging out with 20,000 plus individuals and they've all got something to say and they want to know what you've got to say. Because one day something you say, you may hear repeated by Donald Trump himself. But the only way that's possible is if you share your ideas. So you can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Dan, do you want to shout anything out?

Dan Holloway (121:40)

Yeah. Drinking Bros Podcast, that's my main show. Then I have Citizen Podcast, which is a little bit more serious. We interview people and talk about what it means to be an American citizen, what it really means.

Ian Crossland (121:50)

Right on. Thanks for hanging out.

Dan Holloway (121:51)

Yes, sir.

Cody Mack (121:52)

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Tim Pool (122:03)

Cool, guys. If you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on Twix at Brett Dasavic on both of those platforms. Otherwise, what you should be doing is checking out Pop Culture Crisis. We are live Monday through Friday at 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time, noon Pacific. Come hang out. We have a lot of fun. It's not very serious. It's a good time. See you there.

Ian Crossland (122:21)

One last super chat from Derek Moore. Because it was good. He says. I'll make it easy for you, Tim. The left are the Society of Demolition Man. The right are the Society of Starship Starship Troopers. There you go. Thanks for hanging out everybody. And we've got clips throughout the weekend and we'll see you all on Monday. Hello, it is Ryan. And we could all use an extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we? Just to make up for things like sitting in traffic, doing the dishes, counting your steps. You know, all the mundane stuff. That is why I'm such a big fan of Chumba Casino. Chumba Casino has all your favorite, favorite social casino style games that you can play for free, anytime, anywhere with daily bonuses that should brighten your day a little.

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