Trump Calls Epstein Case A HOAX By Democrats, GOP Votes TO BLOCK Release w/ William Thibeau, Myron Gaines

Summary

Timcast IRL Podcast Summary: "Trump Calls Epstein Case A HOAX By Democrats, GOP Votes TO BLOCK Release w/ William Thibeau, Myron Gaines"

Release Date: July 16, 2025

Hosts and Guests:

• Tim Pool, Host
• William Tebow, Army Veteran and Defense Policy Analyst at the Claremont Institute
• Myron Gaines, Co-host of the Fresh Fit Podcast
• Libby Emmons, Host of The Post Millennial
• Phil Labonte, Lead Singer of the Heavy Metal Band All That Remains

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1. Introduction to the Epstein Case Controversy

[00:00] Tim Pool:
Tim Pool opens the episode by addressing recent statements from former President Donald Trump, who has labeled the Jeffrey Epstein files as a "made up Democrat hoax." He highlights that Republicans in Congress have voted twice to block the release of these files, specifically countering Democrat Rep. Ro Khanna's amendment which mandates the Department of Justice (DOJ) to publish all documents related to the Epstein case within 30 days.

Notable Quote:
"If a literal legislative agenda and if they vote on Rep. Ro Khanna's bill, it changes the agenda for the day, which is kind of a dumb argument because I mean, this is the Epstein case. What else matters, right?"
— Tim Pool [00:15]

2. Breakdown of Rep. Ro Khanna’s Amendment

Tim discusses his conversation with Rep. Ro Khanna, clarifying that Khanna does not intend to release graphic evidence, such as videos of abuse. Instead, Khanna aims for transparency without exposing victims.

[04:41] William Tebow:
William Tebow emphasizes the lack of trust in government officials overseeing the release of sensitive information.

[07:04] Libby Emmons:
Libby supports Tebow’s point, noting that Democratic leaders are capitalizing on the situation to discredit Republican efforts.

Notable Quote:
"If you say the evidence has to be published, that's what you're saying."
— Libby Emmons [08:00]

3. GOP's Struggle and Its Impact

The episode delves into the Republican backlash, pointing out that prominent GOP figures like Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are retreating from their initial strong stances on the Epstein files. This shift is portrayed as damaging to their credibility and support within the MAGA base.

[06:31] Phil Labonte:
Phil criticizes the administration's mishandling of the Epstein files, arguing it undermines trust in Republican leadership.

Notable Quote:
"Any evidence we know based on not what the Trump administration has claimed based on the evidence we've seen so far, just across the board... would include images of children being abused."
— Phil Labonte [07:04]

4. Intelligence Community's Role and Classified Information

Discussion shifts to the complexity of the Epstein case, highlighting the interplay between criminal investigations and intelligence operations. Myron Gaines argues that much of the crucial information might reside within various intelligence agencies, far beyond the DOJ's reach.

[14:05] Myron Gaines:
Myron explains the separation between the criminal case managed by the FBI and the classified intelligence aspects potentially handled by agencies like the CIA.

Notable Quote:
"We know that the FBI is going to have a piece of the pie. It's going to be the CIA because of him being potentially involved with a foreign intelligence service."
— Myron Gaines [14:05]

5. Media Coverage and Public Perception

The podcast critiques mainstream media for their handling of the Epstein files issue, suggesting that their coverage has inadvertently aided Democratic narratives and hindered Republican efforts to address the matter effectively.

[07:59] Tim Pool:
Tim highlights how media personalities are amplifying the Democrats' stance, portraying it as a significant victory for them.

6. Approval Ratings and Political Fallout

Tim Pool presents data on Donald Trump's approval ratings, noting a slight decline amidst the Epstein controversy. He correlates this downturn with increased frustration over immigration policies and the mishandling of the Epstein case.

[22:11] Libby Emmons:
Libby discusses the erosion of trust within Trump's base, emphasizing that mere allegiance is insufficient when key promises are unmet.

Notable Quote:
"This is why people are so pissed... because they're holding Trump to a higher standard than your average politician."
— Myron Gaines [56:31]

7. Broader Political Implications

The guests explore the broader implications of the Epstein case on Republican strategies and future elections. They argue that the GOP's inability to manage this issue effectively could have long-term consequences on their electoral prospects.

[44:10] Tim Pool:
Tim connects the mishandling of the Epstein files to broader trends in political accountability and leadership within the GOP.

8. AI and Future of Media

Towards the episode's conclusion, the discussion shifts to the impact of Artificial Intelligence (AI) on media and content creation. Tim Pool speculates on the future of podcasting and media when AI can replicate hosts' voices and styles, potentially overshadowing human-generated content.

[93:30] Phil Labonte:
Phil underscores the challenges independent media faces in competing with AI-driven content from major outlets.

Notable Quote:
"AI is going to start replacing all of the attention economy and information economy jobs and it’s going to result in a lot of higher, like higher, higher income, better educated."
— Tim Pool [84:36]

9. Closing Remarks

The episode wraps up with promotional segments for upcoming shows and events, encouraging listeners to engage with the hosts on various platforms. However, these sections are brief and supplementary to the main content.

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Key Insights:

• GOP's Credibility Crisis: The Republican Party faces a significant blow in credibility due to its handling of the Epstein file release, with key figures retreating from their initial stances.

• Intelligence vs. Criminal Investigations: A substantial portion of the Epstein case may involve classified intelligence information, complicating efforts for transparency and public disclosure.

• Media's Role: Mainstream media coverage has potentially favored Democratic narratives, undermining Republican attempts to control the narrative around the Epstein files.

• Impact on Trump’s Approval: Mishandling high-profile issues like the Epstein case and immigration policies are contributing to a slight decline in Trump's approval ratings.

• Future of Media with AI: The rise of AI poses challenges for independent media, potentially leading to an oversaturated information landscape dominated by AI-generated content.

Concluding Thoughts:

The episode critically examines the intersection of politics, media, and intelligence in the context of the Jeffrey Epstein case. It underscores the challenges faced by the Republican Party in maintaining trust and addressing high-stakes issues transparently. Additionally, it highlights the emerging threats posed by AI to traditional media models, suggesting a transformative shift in how information will be produced and consumed in the future.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Sam Donald Trump, when asked by reporters, says the Epstein files are a made up Democrat hoax as Republicans have now voted in committee and on the floor to block the release of the files after Democrat Rep. Ro Khanna put forth an amendment saying any documents, any files related to the Epstein's case, his prosecution and any evidence must be published by the DOJ in 30 days. Now, according to Axios, it's because the Republicans have an agenda and if a literal legislative agenda and if they vote on Rep. Ro Khanna's bill, it changes the agenda for the day, which is kind of a dumb argument because I mean, this is the Epstein case. What else matters, right? The issue, however, the Kana amendment says they got to publish any evidence. Now, I spoke with Rep. Ro Khanna earlier and he said it is not his intention to require them to publish the videos of the victims being abused. But that is the evidence and if you say the evidence has to be published, that's what you're saying. Now, Rep. Ro Khanna said he will introduce a bill bipartisan that amends this, makes it clear that's not what he wants. In the meantime, it appears that the same amendment was brought to the floor and it was defeated. Not a good day for Republicans. Comedian Andrew Schultz has apparently come out saying he's sick of all the parties and Trump I think is going to hurt from this. He campaigned on this. Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, less than Bongino, but Cash campaigned on this and now they're backing away from the whole thing. So we'll talk about that plus a lot more. And some good news with ice cream, you know, taking the artificial dyes out. But the big story, of course is what's going on in Congress and the actual Republicans. So we'll get into that. Before we do, my friends, head over to mypillow.com Tim and buy pillows. But also, you notice this energy drink here, Rev7 so we actually have a whole bunch of this stuff. I actually ordered a bunch more. It is amazing. Look at that. Mike Lindell with his delicious keto lemonade energy drink. I drink about one of these per day. It's caffeine free. It's got no sugar. It's got what's called Go BHB ketones. I am a huge fan of this stuff. I'm gonna tell you right away, they all taste like candy. I don't know how they do it, but they are delicious. And there's no sugar in it. My favorite one's the blueberry citrus lemonade is really good. And the Green apple is also really good. And if you're a green apple candy fan, it is like a Jolly Rancher. Maybe I shouldn't say that because it's, you know, proprietary. Whatever. So, my friends, right now my pill is having a two. Two sales in one. First is on their Percali bed sheets, any size and any color. Just 29.88. That's right. You can even get queens, kings, split kings, cow kings, any size, any color. The second is a new energy drink called Rev7, a premium energy drink that's actually good for you. It tastes great, gives you energy all day, plus it has no sugar, no caffeine, so you don't experience those jitters and crashes we've all been through. What makes it special is that it's powered by Cognizant, a premium nootropic that helps fuel your mind. And go bhp, which is a primary ketone in your body that provides the most efficient and cleanest fuel ever. MyPillow's so confident that you're gonna love Rev7. For a limited time, you can try their introductory three pack for free when you set up a bi weekly subscription. So go to mypillow.com, use promo code TIM or go ahead and call 800-925-9096. Again, go to mypillow.com TIM use promo code Tim. I really do recommend these energy drinks. We have a bunch of them. They're my favorite. I don't want sugar, I don't want anything. Like, I don't want extra caffeine. This stuff, it really does work. And then my friends, of course, the culture war live at the D.C. comedy Loft. Do you want to come up on stage and debate with us? We're gearing up. The 26th is going to be. Is Trump still winning? We got Gavin McInnes, we got Matan, Me, Alex Stein, plus a mystery liberal who we are trying to get to finalize to be there. No guarantees, but when we do announce who is going to be there, I think it'll sell out. Not because they like the liberal, but because everyone's going to want to see this liberal be debated against. August 2nd, Michael Malice and angry cops debating the issue of police. And August 9th, we're going to be discussing is feminism destroying the West. We'll talk about dating, workplace politics, et cetera. So smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got a couple guests, starting with William Tebo.

[William Tebow]

Yeah, thanks, Tim. William Tebow army veteran, do defense policy at the Claremont Institute center for in America and also build drones at Vector. Thanks, Ryan.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Thanks for having me. Myron is back.

[Myron Gaines]

I'm here, one half of the Fresh Fit podcast. Happy to be here. And yeah, I think I'll be, I might be out there when you guys do the dating thing.

[Tim Pool]

I think, I think we're talking about having you on for the dating thing.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah. That's August 9th.

[Tim Pool]

August 9th, I'll be out there. And we've got it. First we got a great liberal feminist woman. We're getting all types up. It's going to be really funny.

[Myron Gaines]

Make sure you guys show up. It'll be.

[Tim Pool]

And if you guys want to debate it too, you got to show up too. Libby's here.

[Libby Emmons]

Libby Emmons is here. That is me. I'm here with the Post Millennial. Glad to be here, guys.

[Tim Pool]

Right on.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that Remains. I'm. My name is Philip. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I am an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the story from Disclose tv. Actually, it's a clip from C Span. Trump repeats that the Epstein files are a made up Democrat hoax. Here's the clip, ladies and gentlemen. No, no, she's, she's given us just a very quick briefing and in terms.

[William Tebow]

Of the credibility of the different things that they've seen.

[Tim Pool]

And I would say that, you know, these files were made up by Comey, they were made up by Obama, they were made up by the Biden. You know, and we went through years of that with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax with all of the different things that we had to go through. We've gone through years of it. But she's handled it very well and it's going to be up to her. Whatever, whatever she thinks is credible, she should release. Yeah. So he's saying the files are a hoax. What does he mean by that? Is he saying that the actual documents they have, they're not going to release? Because he's saying it's made up by Comey and Obama and that crew. Does he really expect that everyone's going to buy that? I think it's, I don't think it's going to work.

[Phil Labonte]

I think the administration has been so careless with the rollout of this stuff. I'm almost to the point where no matter what they actually do put out for public consumption, people are going to feel like there's more. People are going to feel like it's not enough. There's other things that are being hidden. These. These press conferences and speaking to the press and not having all your ducks in a row is probably the worst thing that they could have done. And it's really hurt the MAGA bait. The. The base is trust in the administration.

[Libby Emmons]

It's also given the Democrats a really big opening. Right. I mean, we see that now too. We see a being like, oh, of course, if you have a rapist in the White House, then you're not gonna release the Epstein tapes. You have Ro Khanna coming out and being like, basically, you know, the Democrats are like, we're gonna attach release the files to every single bill you guys put forth, which is a big stunt, but is what they're doing. And today they, you know, over the weekend, Epstein was a huge deal at Turning Point, USA Student Action Summit. Everyone had something to say about it. Jack Posobic, Steve Bannon, Charlie Kirk, Megan Kelly. There was an awful lot to talk about. Tucker Carlson. And you have Trump. First he calls it a hoax. He also then said that Pam Bondi should release any remaining files. And then he repeated that later, I think on the tarmac at Andrews. He said, let them have it. Release any credible information.

[Tim Pool]

What does that mean, credible information?

[Libby Emmons]

I have no idea what that means. I mean, does it mean like the stuff that's not the victims. You know nothing about the victims. Does it mean the grand jury testimony? Does it mean depositions? I don't.

[Tim Pool]

I. Guys, I just. Just help me out here. Why is. If I don't understand what's going on, why doesn't Trump just lie better?

[Myron Gaines]

Well, I was at the. I was in Tampa too, for that event. And yeah, I mean, that was the talk. I mean, even, you know, everyone in the base is pretty much pissed off about this whole Epstein thing. And hell, I debated Destiana a little bit as well over about it. And you know, I gave my position on it yesterday. I don't think we're ever gonna get it because of the sensitive nature where I think there's gonna be other foreign nations implicated. We know which one, especially in the Middle East. But, you know, first it was there's no files, nothing to see here. Now it's, oh, yeah, just release whatever's credible. It just looks bad. And then you were saying, Phil, how like they rolled out this out poorly. I agree. As soon as they brought those idiots over to the White House and gave the binders of the flight logs, which we had already all saw before, and.

[Tim Pool]

It was more redacted than Information already in the public.

[Myron Gaines]

Yes, yes, it was really bad. So this entire Epstein situation has been 100% fumble.

[Libby Emmons]

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[Myron Gaines]

Right. You know, with the JFK stuff, they fumble that a little bit too. But let's be honest, the people that care about JFK and crazies like me and some others, but you know, it's sold. Most of the people are dead from it. But Epstein people are interested in, right, because it was recent, so they can't fumble that one as bad.

[William Tebow]

So I think people care about it because it's a. It gets to the question of this deep suspicion that we can't trust the people in charge of our government and that we don't know who's in charge. Ron Dodson had a great tweet thread about this that it's kind of a Rorschach test. If you try so hard to not care about this, it's worth being suspicious about you.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[William Tebow]

But, but to, to the rest of us, and I do think normal people care about this actually. It's this final kind of window into a potential loss and loss of faith of the integrity of, I'm not going to say the integrity of our democracy, but you know, who's in charge?

[Phil Labonte]

No, I mean, to that point, I mean, you look at the past 25 years, the lies about the, you know, the Iraq, the Iraq war. Then the Democrats swore up and down that they weren't targeting Republicans. But there was the IRS Lois Lerner scandal. Then you have the whole Biden administration. There was Covid. We were lied to. There was, there was like the young people in America have never known a time. Gen Z, I'm talking about, have never known a time where the government wasn't just lying outright. At least people my age can look back and say, well, you know, I mean, before the turn of the century, there were times where the government was dishonest, but they were, you know, trying to do this. Or, or we had some amount of faith, maybe, maybe it was misplaced, but we had some amount of faith that the government was being honest. If you're a Gen Z, you're like, look, the government has been lying for my entire life. I've never known anything other than the government to lie to us. They ruined my. If you're, if you were, if you're 25 now, they ruined your, your young, your. You as a young person, they destroyed, you know, you couldn't go to, couldn't go to your, your, your prom, you couldn't go do activities with your front stage. All these things that were absolutely stolen from Gen Z because of lies. So now they're hoping that Donald Trump is going to actually be responsive to their, the things that they want. And it looks like in at least this case, he's not. And you're going to see Gen Z is not going to tolerate that.

[Myron Gaines]

And the other thing too is, you know, you brought up a good point there. They had alternative media. We didn't. So we fell for the. They hate us because we're free. They, we fell for the, you know, we need to go ahead and invade them because of weapons of mass destruction. Like, we had only the mainstream media back then. But like these younger people, they've had social media and had alternative media. So for them, like, mainstream media is like a dying thing. Like, we still watch it to a degree because that's what we grew up on. But alternative media has taken over. And, and this, this past election proves that.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Myron Gaines]

So.

[Libby Emmons]

And that was. Andrew Breitbart was really one of the first people coming out being alternative media. Right. And that was what, like, late, that was like mid to late 90s, really.

[Tim Pool]

Was that that long ago?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, because he wasn't at Drudge. Yeah, Drudge.

[Myron Gaines]

Well, he's Alex Jones.

[Libby Emmons]

He was breaking, he broke the, Wasn't he part of breaking the Lewinsky dress thing?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm pretty sure.

[Tim Pool]

I think I was like seven.

[Libby Emmons]

I, I recently did some, I try and do some digging when I don't know something and figure it out. And yeah, Breitbart was part of the Lewinsky dress thing.

[Tim Pool]

You know, he used to be a.

[Libby Emmons]

Liberal because it was on Drudge. Yeah, he. Sure. Well, Southern California.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Myron Gaines]

You know, like, you had to like, like go searching for it versus, like now. Like, people would rather just watch their favorite, you know, political commentator than like watch the news, which is what I've realized. Like, it's, it's like completely different. It's like you said, like you before 20 years ago, mainstream media was it. Right. Alternative media is still existed. But like, you have to go looking for it now. It's like people are like, you know what? I'd rather just see what my favorite political commentators got to say about this.

[Libby Emmons]

Versus cnn, just to play like devil's advocate for a second. So all these files were basically, like, alleged, you know, files were in the Eastern District of New York. Right. Like, the prosecutors had them there, Southern District District. So do we think that there could be a situation where they had a bunch of information and either trashed it or misplaced it or. Because these would have been a lot of analog files or even, like, at best, they would have been like, you know, those big, square floppy disks.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, So I could talk to that a little bit. So. So the thing with the Epstein which makes it so complicated and why it's so convoluted is because it was a criminal case and there's an intelligence aspect. Right. So we know that the FBI did a criminal case, you know, 20. What? They picked him up in 2019, if I'm not mistaken, 2018, they arrested him, and then he ended up dying in the summer of 2019. So Southern District of New York, and FBI New York is the one that ran the criminal case. Now, obviously, the criminal case is going to have stuff that's unclassified, because criminal cases, you can't put anything classified in there, or you have to declassify it to use it. So they have that. And then Glenn Maxwell, we know, went to trial. So you can go. Anyone that went to the trial would be able to see a lot of the evidence that probably would have been used against Epstein himself. But with that said, there's obviously going to be a classified or what we call a high side. I know you know about that from the military. There's going to be a high side, and that's going to have a lot of the stuff that has to do with potentially him being a counterintelligence agents or agent or whatever. But, and I was saying this yesterday, I think the people that are really going to have a lot of the info, it's not going to just be the FBI. The FBI is going to have a piece of the pie. It's going to be the CIA because of him being potentially involved with a foreign intelligence service. CIA handles, you know, foreign. So I think Tulsi Gabbard has far more of a role in this situation, or should have far more of a role in this situation than a Pam Bondi, because the DOJ is not going to be privy to stuff from the IC unless it comes from the FBI. And the FBI is just one component of the IC versus all the other intelligence apparatus.

[Phil Labonte]

To your point, no it's perfectly fine. But to your point, even if Congress were to have passed the bill today and it were signed into law, Congress doesn't have the, have the ability to, to declassify stuff. So it would still take the President saying, oh, yeah, these things that are classified, well, I'll, I'll declassify them so people can see them. So even it doesn't matter what Congress does when it comes to things that would have been classified by CIA or dni.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. And you know, you know, because I know Tulsi Gabbard, right. Since she's over at dni. Because my, my, this is what I assume. And I think I'd love to get your take on this, too. Being a foreign military guy, like, obviously the FBI has a piece of the pie with the criminal case and then what he was doing, right? Because just based off of them doing their investigation, they had to have come across what he was doing and how he was been able to be protected for so long. Then I know the CIA is absolutely going to have a file on him because he's a collecting intelligence for a foreign country. Then I know dia, nsa, all these different components are going to have all the information. The only person I could think of that's going to have everything in totality, more than likely, or at least will have access to it is going to be Tulsi Gabbard, and she is the main conduit of information that gives it to the President. Right. We know Trump, this is himself from the intelligence components because he doesn't really trust them. So Tulsi Gabber is going to have everything. So I would, I think that's what the people really want. Like, obviously, we kind of know who's on the client list already. We kind of know what he was doing. We want to know who he was working for, what he was doing, specifically, how he was going about it, methodologies and modes. So I think that's where a lot of the sauce is going to be. You know, the FBI, you know, they're getting held accountable for sure. And Pam, Bonnie's getting made fun of. But I do think that there is a significant amount of intel that's going to be with the intelligence community.

[Phil Labonte]

It would be, it would be nice to see some journalists going after or at least investigating where he got his money, who was actually investing with him. There's not a lot of information that's out there about who was actually giving him money, how much, you know, what type of.

[Myron Gaines]

I know it's Les Wexner, but yeah, They've like, they keep him out the fray. Right.

[William Tebow]

Wasn't the issue the original search warrant in 2008 or 2009 was so weak that essentially allowed them to take a modicum of action to investigate him while allowing a cover up.

[Tim Pool]

The bare, the bare minimum.

[William Tebow]

Well so in that I think to give President Trump the benefit of the doubt, he's probably in a, in a situation where there is perhaps not much else. And so to, to uncut, to release the files would only be to fuel speculation, disappoint his base. Well and so you know, I think he's, when, when he says that it's a, it's a hoax, I, I, I don't think he's lying to us but you know, I think he's trying to prepare us for disappointment. But this is, he might not be.

[Tim Pool]

Able to control what if Epstein is a hoax? And Democrats, they made the whole thing up with Comey during Trump's first term. They were like, if he ever gets back in, we're going to seed this, they're going to start promoting the conspiracy theory and then it will be a hoax and there will be no files at all. I'm sorry, that's kind of like the least believable thing imaginable that the Democrats made up the Epstein files, Cash, Trump all campaigned on this and then they get in and then go, well it was a hoax. Like dude, I'm sorry, I can't.

[William Tebow]

Although, although it is a good way.

[Myron Gaines]

To ruin credibility media which I agree with this 100%. CNN has published several stories on this. A lot of these guys on left wing have been absolutely going at, you know, I've seen Hassan, Kyle Klinski, all these guys are like loving it. Like, yes, look, Mag is going crazy because this is something that Casper tell and you know, Bonje and all these guys campaign on or talked about in their podcast because a lot of these guys were former influencers. And then for them to get into power and then be like, oh there's nothing here or it's not getting, you know, they're not putting out the information. You know, obviously it looks very bad and like the Democrats are loving it right now. It's a big W for them in their eyes.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from Axios House GOP blocks Democrat attempt to release the Epstein files. And I'm sorry, this is optic victory for the Democrats. Republicans are flubbing this bad. Axio says House Republicans on Tuesday voted on another Democrat procedural maneuver aimed at forcing the DOJ to release documents related to Jeffrey Epstein. It's the second time this week Democrats have forced their GOP colleagues to choose between loyalty to Trump and a mega base that is furious. Democrats are already promising future votes. Quote, that was probably not the last time you're going to see us deal with this issue, house Rules Committee ranking member Jim McGovern told EXIOS. Republicans dismissed the vote as a cynical partisan ploy, with Rep. Tim Burchett telling Exios, it's just politics. It's not about protecting little children. And that ticks me off. The House voted 2:11 to 2:10 against allowing a house fund on repro. Khanna's measure to force the DOJ to publish the Epstein files online within 30 days. Democrats procedural motion would have scuttled the GOP's legislative agenda for the day in favor of the counter bill, making it difficult for Republicans to vote for it. The vote went along party lines. It came after Republicans in the House Rules Committee voted Monday night against attaching the Epstein language to a broader cryptocurrency and defense funding vote. Now here's the thing. Here's the Khanna amendment. And I did speak with Rep. Khanna earlier. He told me that he was going to draft a bill, a new one, that clarifies the language because it is not his intent that the DOJ publish all of the videos of abuse on their website. That being said, if this was presented to me and I was told to vote on it, there's only one thing you can say. You can say no. Democrats knowing they won't win, get to vote yes because it's a political ploy. But I, with respect to Representative Kana, I want to see him put out the new measure that clarifies this would not require the DOJ to publish thousands of videos of child porn. The amendment says, a the Attorney General shall retain, preserve and compile any records or evidence related to any investigation, prosecution or incarceration on Jeff of Jeffrey Epstein. B. Not later than 30 days after the date of this enactment of this act, the Attorney General shall release and publish any records or evidence related to any investigation, prosecution or incarceration of Jeffrey Epstein on a publicly accessible website. This amendment is in and of itself a poison pill. Any evidence we know based on not what the Trump administration has claimed based on the evidence we've seen so far, just across the board, based on what Ghislaine Maxwell was accused of and convicted of, would include images of children being abused. How and this is. It's laughably insane. Look, with all due respect to Rep. Khan, he said Our legal understanding from our team is that the DOJ would, would not have to publish that. And I'm just like, yeah, sorry, dude. I can, I can respect. He's saying he's going to redraft, like, remake it to clarify that language.

[Libby Emmons]

But you're still dragging the Attorney General into court when she doesn't release child abuse videos.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so his argument is that's not the intent of the amendment. My argument is it doesn't matter what your intent is. They have to abide by what you actually wrote and what will be passed by Congress. If the Republicans vote yes on this, and I think, I think they should, because in the event they do try to force the DOJ to publish victim materials, it's Ro Khanna's fault. I would prefer, however, that he actually clarify his bill. Say this will not include any information, videos or evidence that would re. Victimize, would show anything, illicit, illegal child porn, etc. The problem then is you're giving the DOJ full leeway to redact anything and everything. There's, there's, there's no effective way to do this in the way he's trying. He should at least put forward a bill saying that certain members of Congress will be granted access to the files for review. And after a bipartisan review, there'll be determination on what information can be released to the public.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, that seems like a better bill. Do you think that he'll rewrite it and come back?

[Tim Pool]

I think he'll rewrite it in such a way that it would just give the DOJ clearance to redact everything. Like, I'm sorry, the letter of this amendment is clear and Democrats are mad at me and yelling at me, but I'm right. It says any evidence related. There's no provision that would give the DOJ clearance to decide when not to release evidence. It says they have to do it. So how do Republicans vote yes on this?

[Myron Gaines]

You know, this is a perfect example of this is the importance of, again, that's not going to get us everything that we need. The stuff that people, the stuff that the American public are interested in, they want to know what he was doing, who he's working for. Was he actually an asset for a foreign intelligence service? That's what people want. That's not going to just come from the DOJ side. You're going to have to go ahead and get an intel community involved, which is why I'm saying the Attorney General. I'll be honest with you guys, Pam. Bonnie is going to have a limited scope on this Stuff, it's really going to be Tulsi Gabbard that's going to have everything on this when it comes to the incels intel side, because that's what people really want. And the other thing also that I think, because I wrote down real quick what I think people would have a lot of information for us. I want all the search warrant affidavits for every single one of his residences. Because the reason why I'm saying that is because to get a federal search warrant requires an enormous amount of probable cause and you have to have timely information to be able to go ahead and get it. And not only get it, but get it through the Sun District of New York, through the U. S. Attorney's office. So that would have an enormous amount of information that the American public would want to see. Also all the search warrants for his phones, the search warrants for his house out in, in New Mexico, I think that would be of great information for.

[Phil Labonte]

The people and they could put all that stuff out and it would have no effect on any ongoing cases.

[Myron Gaines]

Cases are closed.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

To this day, the search warrant affidavits are still sealed and, and I want to see those. Like those are going to be. You know, search warrants are, are kind of like a. A huge gem when it comes to getting the information, because the agent. Right. And I've ran hundreds of search warrants. That's why I can speak about this. You have to put all the information that you have, and not only do you have to put the information that you have, you have to put information that is timely because to get into someone's house, you need what's called fresh probable cause. And you need somewhere between seven to 14 days of real information of how you're going to. What you're planning to find there, where you got your information. It's going to expose sources, it can expose methodologies. So this is why they probably still have it sealed. But that's going to be super important. And then I'm also interested to get the affidavits that they wrote probably for his telephone, his telephones and his electronic devices, because that's also going to have some important stuff. So, so for them to put just the attorney general, I get it, but that's limited. So we need, we need Tulsi Gabbard as well, the dni. We need the search warrant affidavits.

[Phil Labonte]

And one more thing that you'd said, you said you think that it's the intel stuff that people are mostly interested in. Is it really your Sense that. Because the reason I ask is because from my perspective and the stuff that I see on X and stuff, people tend to be most vocal about the possibility of, like, child abuse and assaults on kids and stuff. That's the stuff that I see that has inflame people. Do you think, do you feel differently?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, no, no, no. 100%. But the reason. But to be able to get that fully, you need to know why he was doing it. That's where it's going to be classified.

[William Tebow]

So you don't think the nature of what he sent to a potential handler, to someone outside the country is all going to be under the purview of the intelligence.

[Myron Gaines]

Like, here's the thing, the criminal case is only getting a component of it, right? The criminal case is getting it. Like, what can we prove in, in a court of law? What I'm saying is what the American public is interested in, the methodologies, what he was doing, who were the people that were involved, why was he doing what he was doing? You're only going to get that on the high side.

[William Tebow]

And that's, that's why everything. Trump may be telling the truth when he says there's nothing there or the file is. Is not what everyone thinks it is, because to Myron's point, the. The intelligence file is another thing. That's not going to be what Pam Bondi was that. I don't think that's what was on Pam Bondi, you know.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[William Tebow]

And it's what we likely will never.

[Myron Gaines]

And remember doj. Like, when we talk about doj, unless, like, it's a national security case and they're trying to prosecute it, classified stuff is not going to come across them. They don't like dealing with classified stuff because it creates problems for them from a prosecution standpoint. So if we want to be able to get everything right, to get the methodology and everything, because what we have with the kids. Okay, so like I said before, there's a criminal side, then there's an intel side. The intel side, I know, is going to have everything. And then when you combine that with the criminal stuff, then you'll have the full picture. People are so focused on the criminal stuff. That's cool. Like, but I guarantee you, all the information and methodologies, the handlers, etcetera, why he was doing what he was doing, that's going to be an intel side.

[Libby Emmons]

So.

[Myron Gaines]

And the reason why they're probably not going to release it, they're going to give the bullshit excuse of national defense information. Ndi.

[Libby Emmons]

So if you never Hear if you never get confirmation that, you know, Epstein was working with foreign power, was involved in intel stuff or anything, would you, if there was never any evidence that came out, would you still believe that he was part of a whole intel cover up type of?

[Myron Gaines]

Well, I, I think, I think they're influence situation. What they're going to do is they're going to release some of it and say, oh yeah, that's all that's there. And technically they might not be lying because they're talking about the criminal case. But I think that's why I'm being so specific and I'm saying, no, I want everything from the intel side too. I know there's a CIA file on this guy. I know that there's going to be an NSA file on this guy. I know there's going to be DIA file and they're going to hide behind. It's now defense information or it's classified. No, we need that because if we want the Epstein in totality, we must get the high side stuff.

[Phil Labonte]

I agree with you. I think that the stuff on.

[Myron Gaines]

And that's what's like killing me when I see people commentate about this and talk about Epstein or whatever and they're like, we want the FBI file, bro. The FBI is going to have a limited portion of it. Like the guy was a foreign agent. We need everything from the ic, everything. And the only person that's going to have that is going to be Tulsi Gabbard.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I think that, I think you're right. I don't think anything that that's where.

[Myron Gaines]

The American public needs to put pressure on. It's not just going to be on Bongino and Pam Bondi and Cash Patel. The FBI has a part of it. So the IC is going to have everything.

[Phil Labonte]

So then if that's the case, then you could, you could logically say, well, maybe Bongino and Cash Patel are telling the truth about what they've seen because they haven't seen anything that would be considered classified.

[Myron Gaines]

It's possible, like, don't get it twisted. Like we still need to keep the FBI's feet to the fire.

[Phil Labonte]

Sure.

[Myron Gaines]

But there's other agencies as well. And that's why we're probably, we're not getting the full picture. And I think that if the American public puts pressure on the entire IC on Tulsi Gabbard, on the FBI, on Pam Bondi, then we'll finally be able to get the full picture.

[Libby Emmons]

So why do you think that Pam Bondi and the FBI that whole recent memo, why do you think they said in that memo that there was nothing else that could come out? That everything that was left was just like, you know, like child abuse videos?

[Myron Gaines]

Because technically they can say, well, from the criminal perspective, this is all we have. And they technically wouldn't be lying, right? Because they look at it like that.

[Libby Emmons]

Just because they didn't have more. And just because they didn't have any more information.

[Myron Gaines]

Well, they look at it like it's not. It's. If it's classified, we don't have to necessarily mention it to you. That's how they look at it, right? Hey, it's high side stuff is classified. Like we, you guys are never going to get that anyway, so we're only going to talk about what we can talk about.

[Libby Emmons]

Do you think they were telling the truth or you think they were telling the truth from a limited, sort of dodgy perspective?

[Myron Gaines]

It could be. It could be from a, from a.

[William Tebow]

Limited perspective, given a, a legal opinion.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. So, like, let me give an example, right? Just so you guys understand like, what I mean by this, right? So let's say I'm doing a case, right? A criminal case, and I have a, a component of my case that involves classified information. You will have, like, if you really want to do this properly, you will have what's called a taint agent. That taint agent will deal with all the classified stuff. And your job as the criminal case agent is to parallel reconstruction the stuff on the high side so you can present in a court. And the reason why is that if you get questioned on the stand, hey, Agent xyz ask you about something here where if you know that information, right, and, but it's classified and you don't talk about it, well, that can jam you up on the stand. So they would purposely have that Tate agent there to deal with the high side stuff so you can deal with the criminal stuff. Now why am I telling you this? I'm saying this because they, there's like things put in place like this to protect agents from like lying technically on a stand or being looked at as like being deceptive, whatever. So what I'm saying is like, they're technically might not be lying because they're saying like, well, look like from the criminal side, this is what it is. And they might not be read in on all the other stuff that was going on because I guarantee this is probably going to be at the SCI level, secret compartmentalized level, which means like, you need to be read and you need to have a specific need to know on this portion. So they might only know the criminal side. I guarantee the case agent on the Epstein case, he probably just handles the criminal side. Then there's probably going to be a taint agent. So it's all kinds of stuff. But again, given the nature of who he was and who was working for, there's going to be 100 a CIA involvement for sure too.

[Libby Emmons]

Interesting.

[Myron Gaines]

It's and, and the government does this on purpose by the way. It's purposely nebulous like this and bureaucratic and divided so that people don't know where to go. So like it. The only and the only way you're going to know is if you work in intel community, you work in law enforcement, etc. That's why I know like okay, she's gonna know this. He's gonna know there. We need to bring all you in.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from the Daily Mail. Comedian podcaster says he's breaking free from the Trump cult after massive betrayal. I don't think Andrew Schultz was ever in a Trump cult or anything like that, but I do find the story interesting as he's more of a normie guy. He backed Trump, I believe, to a certain degree, which was huge for Trump. And I think with many, like with the comedians, normies coming out critical of Donald Trump over the Epstein case, this is the first time I think we've truly seen something massively bad. We're in, you know, going into month six of Trump's second term and this is, this is radioactive, they say. Podcaster and comedian Andrew Schultz unleashed a viral rant against Trump for failing to release the list of financier and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Schultz and his co host Akash Singh kicked off the flagrant podcast on Tuesday discussing the big scandal of the week. The admins handling the Epstein files. They compared their own experiences dealing with critics, calling them idiots and bad Americans online and Trump's MAGA haters coming for him about his failed Epstein promises. Earlier in the week, Schultz and his crew wore tinfoil hats on their show as they criticized the president's failure to keep his promises to release the Epstein list, get out of foreign wars and cut spending. Quote, I voted for none of this. He's doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for. I want him to stop wars, he's funding them. I want him to shrink spending, reduce the budget. He's increasing it. Schultz said the comedian had hosted Trump on his podcast. This we get. He then went on to say, I wanted something different I was hoping for some sort of change, but. He said. But he then defied anyone who tried to recruit them into their political camp. I just want to let you all know, let you all right now. I'm in neither one of your effing cults. If you want me to be in your cults, you can go F F all. I'm not a Dem cult. I'm not a Republican cult. I'm a free American. I'll make my own effing decisions and I'll say whatever the f I want about whatever president is in power. Schultz said they want to mention more says you want to take no accountability for the fact you read a dead guy as a. And a woman who couldn't speak. Schultz said, referring to Democrats. And. And I respect it. And we got this from post millennial. Only 21% of likely voters believe DOJ report on Epstein. I'm hearing it. I mean, what is anyone supposed to say? Like, all of a sudden now it's trust the government because Trump's there and we're going to let the Epstein thing take a pass?

[Libby Emmons]

Well, that's the interesting thing, too, right? It's like MAGA for all of this time since, you know, since the Golden Escalator has been the part of the Republican Party, or even not part of the Republican Party, just on its own saying, we don't trust the government, we don't believe anything that you say. We think that you're out to get us, and we hate you. And so now Trump is in office, it's his second term, and we've already seen a shift in his perspective. Right. Like last week, he was very dismissive of the whole Epstein thing. He wanted Pam Bondi to say at the Cabinet meeting that they had, you know, like, yeah, it's nothing. We have nothing there. Forget it. And then today he's saying she should release everything. So I think Laura Trump was right when she was talking to Betty Johnson yesterday, and she said that he's hearing the noise on this. But, yeah, I mean, this is a base that is not going to trust you just because they voted for you. You know, that's not enough.

[William Tebow]

But. But I also don't take seriously. I was kind of on. I could see where he was coming from until he said, and he didn't cut spending, which to me is a constituency that doesn't exist in America.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I agree with that.

[Libby Emmons]

Like, we've made. Like, if you look at the June numbers, I forget exactly what they were. But with the increase in tariffs and all this Other stuff, we made a ton more money and there were cuts.

[William Tebow]

I understand kind of the reservations around foreign policy actions, especially as it relates to Ukraine recently, but to me, this is just an America Party announcement. It's, it's, you know, someone who's gotten a little bit frightened that, you know, we're in the fray. You took a stand with President Trump and maga and now it's getting dicey and he's cutting and running. It's easy to do. And I, I, I'm sympathetic with it, but as soon as you tell me that, oh, you're so mad because he's cutting spending and you want to, you know, be in the middle and you're not extreme. You're, you're, you're just proving to me that you're not interested in being a part of a political coalition.

[Myron Gaines]

Because the other thing too is Andrew Schultz is low iq. The list has been out forever, literally. I've talked about it with Ryan Dawson. Whitney Webb has exposed it. A million people know who are on the list.

[Tim Pool]

But, yeah, but it's not the complete everything and it's not the confirmation from the doj, which Trump promised.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. But he's like harping on the list has been out. But again, he's just saying. But Schultz says whatever he needs to say to sound cool and sound like he's in it. Like he's been doing this for a very long time. He talks out his ass. He doesn't know what he's talking about. But these normies, bro, he is an army when it comes and.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. And what do you, and why do you think he's saying what he's saying?

[Myron Gaines]

Because that's what's cool. Now. He always says it's going to play.

[Tim Pool]

It'S going to give an audience.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, okay.

[Tim Pool]

That means Democrats are winning on the optics.

[Phil Labonte]

They are.

[Myron Gaines]

Well, yeah, on this, I've said it. Yeah. CNN's been running with this for a minute for a while. Saying, like, they literally. Tapper did like a whole series on CNN where he played all the clips of Bongino, Cash, Patel, Pam Bondi, Trump, like, all of it. When they were talking about the FC Files, like they have like a whole collage. They're, they're loving it and all the big left wing commentators are loving. So, yeah, it looks bad politically for sure. But to say, oh, release, the list is out, dude. Like I said before, what the American public is really interested in is what I French phrase before, which is we would need the intel community step up and give it to us.

[Phil Labonte]

Democrats have went four years without making a peep about the Epstein client list. They didn't say anything when they, they had control of the government. This is all political opportunities for them. That's all that it is. No one should take anything they say seriously. But it is bad optics. And the people that your average normies, people that don't watch a lot of political, you know every left wing commentator.

[Myron Gaines]

If you look at their YouTube channel right now, it's all magazine melting. Epstein list is making them go crazy. They're, they're beating us up on it big time.

[Tim Pool]

Why is the Trump administration doing it? I'm sorry, it's on purpose. Well, so no, no question. Look real quick, there's, there's two plays and I've already said a million times, they do nothing. They literally just had to do nothing. They made this story. Pam Bondi went on tv, she made this story. They could have done nothing. The other issue is lie, lie better. So they are making their bed doing a piss poor job of managers. And I don't mean literally they should come out and lie. I'm saying either put up or shut up. And they flubbed this in every possible direction. And if it really is a Democrat hoax like Trump is saying, then it is his poor choices of once again of people in his administration who are not doing this job.

[Myron Gaines]

You know what I think they, because just from the beginning, right from them rolling out the stupid ass binders and bringing these people in to give the flight logs and stuff like that like that tells me like they didn't take this seriously from the beginning. And then when they said oh just forget about it, like I don't think they understood how much debase wants to know about this. And when you got people like, you know, Benny Johnson who are huge, you know Trump supporters coming out saying like hey we need the files, that should tell you something. So is bad.

[Tim Pool]

Your point is correct, especially on Benny. Andrew Schultz I think is the point. He's not a political guy.

[Myron Gaines]

I don't expect what you're saying like the fact that he's coming out and saying it is a problem.

[Tim Pool]

This is about, this is about perception and self preservation. And I'm not saying that about to disparage Schultz as though he's panicked and like no, I'm saying these personalities who are not in politics just they want to be on the right side of history. And if right now the optics are half of MAGA is saying Trump is flubbing this and all of Democrats have latched on as an attack vector. Schultz is going to be like, I'm with the bigger group.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah. That's what he does.

[William Tebow]

This is what I think they're missing. You know, call me Pollyanna or someone who's given too much credit to the administration, but here's my case. I think they're trying to get through the ugly fights that have to happen before the midterms, before another presidential election. You know, the theory of the case, take it or leave it, is that you have to try and bring the Middle east and Europe to a close so that you can eventually draw down and focus on China. You need to get the big beautiful bill passed. So you get $150 billion for immigration, border, border control and interior enforcement, and you move through the political capital. It takes soon and fast, while you still have it before you have to fight the midterms. You get over the, the, the frustration and you know, the incompetence perhaps of, of the Epstein revelation because, you know, maybe there's nothing you can release, you know, given, given the, the relationship with the IC and what's, what's behind.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, this is the IC problem, not an FBI.

[Phil Labonte]

Well.

[William Tebow]

Right. And so we're getting hard stuff out of the way so that by the time Americans are voting next November, they've seen the fruits of the labor. They're seeing that you can drive end to end in L. A in less than an hour. Right. Because of immigration enforcement. They're seeing revenue from tariffs hit. They're seeing jobs for Americans and not foreign born workers that I think people will care about. That's it. It's ugly to make a lot of that happen.

[Myron Gaines]

Like, you know, in the grand scheme of things, when it comes to getting shit done, this Epstein thing is a drop in the bucket compared to getting the other stuff through that needs to be done. And then you can always revisit this later. But I also see Tim's perspective where you're right, Schultz talks to a very normie audience where if he says something like, release the client list, well, most Americans don't even know that the client list has been out forever. Unless you're in this field.

[Tim Pool]

It's, it really is simple.

[Myron Gaines]

Optically, it looks bad.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think the average person is going to know a lot about this.

[Myron Gaines]

No.

[Tim Pool]

But at least if. I'd be willing to bet if you look at Andrew Schultz's comments, it's everybody saying, like, Trump, Epstein, cover up. And if you, if you check out, like if you follow asmongold, for instance, the Comments are relatively similar. These are, these are mostly normies. Yeah, they talk about surface level issues that affect them, but not the political machinations behind them. So if an individual is like, why am I locked in my house? They're going to complain. It's B.S. they're doing this, but they're not going to go to a higher level and say, here's the long term strategy for making America better or whatever. So Schultz, his statement is basically a reflection of he's, he's saying, this is the side that I'm on and it ain't.

[Myron Gaines]

Trump gives the temperament of the, of the general normie public, which you're right. And we talked about this like, you know, people are not going to really know the details of this Epstein thing unless you're either in the mega base, you're interested in this type of stuff, and then, you know, you have to. But normies are just going to be like, oh, they didn't release it. Look at that. Not knowing that, like, the client list is already out. What we're talking about is a bit more nuanced. We're talking about intel. That's why, like, I was so adamant about saying, like, look, this is not just an FBI problem, this is an entire government IC problem.

[Tim Pool]

It's wild to me that I get where Charlie Kirk is coming from when he was like, I'm going to trust my friends in government. But, like, that's literally the argument that was made by the intelligence officials on msnbc. When this stuff comes around the first time, it's, listen, trust us, we're the experts. We're doing the right thing. And it's like, nah, you guys tried to arrest Trump and refused to give up power. You're nuts. So I, I think, look, Trump could release a fake Epstein list. Like, my, my point is.

[Libby Emmons]

But that would open him up to libel charges.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think it would. I mean, like, technically, you're correct. I'm just saying, Trump in the seat of government claiming there's no Epstein files. He could make a list of fake names. He could do so many things that would get them out of this flub. It's of their own making. They're bad at what they do. I'm not saying it's good and they should do that. I'm saying if they really are trying to lie and cover this up, man, are they bad at this.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. But I also see, you know, you gave a good thing on this. Like, you know, they're focused on the deportations, getting the big beautiful bill through midterms, etc. Like, to them, from their position. Right. Because I'm putting my government hat back on. Like, to them, they're like, okay, these are just some annoyed fucking influencers that are talking about. Epstein, whatever, bro. We got real shit we got to worry about. We got to worry about, you know, Israel attacking Iran again, a potential war going on. We're talking about the big, beautiful bill. We're talking about these deportations that we're trying to do. Like, to them, they're like, we can always revisit this later. Right? So I can see from that perspective. I don't. I think they grossly underestimated how important this was to the base in general.

[William Tebow]

It's definitely affecting it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[William Tebow]

I mean, his. The Rasmussen dailies are. Are really bad for his approval.

[Myron Gaines]

Gave a press conference today with the dea, and they were just like. I was looking at it on the. In the chat. They were just, like, roasted her the whole time saying, Pam, blondie, and she's stupid, blah, blah. So they're feeling like this now.

[Tim Pool]

She did not need to bring this up on Fox. They. They effort this up royally.

[Myron Gaines]

They did, dude. And again, I think it's because they grossly underestimated how much the base cared about this. Like, with them rolling out the binder thing when they did that, I was like, what the fuck are you guys doing?

[Libby Emmons]

The binder rollout was stupid advantage of those people. They really did such a bad job because they took a whole bunch of people that had fought really hard during the campaign and made them look like clowns.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

And that's just so rude. It's like, why are you turning on the people that cared so much about getting you into office that they staked their reputations on it? And now you're using their reputations to try and bolster yourself, but really, you're just, you know, you're just handing out funny look.

[Myron Gaines]

You know, I made fun of them, you know, drain on those. All those guys that showed up there. But, you know, you're correct. Like, a lot of them did, like, you know, kind of fall on the sword for the Trump administration, get them elected in 2024. They were pushing them hard, so obviously they got the invite to the White House. But, yeah, that was a. That was a.

[Libby Emmons]

That's not even why they were at the White House. They were at the White House for some other reason.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

And Pam Bondi, like, pulled them into a room to talk about this. They were there totally separate. I think they were there to, like, meet the vice president or something like that.

[Myron Gaines]

This kind of got pulled on a tangent.

[Libby Emmons]

This, like. This was, like, literally pulled on them. They were like, oh, now we're going over here. Okay, guys. And then they told them. The DOJ basically told them it was embargoed. And then when they stepped out of the White House and they all had these big binders and they didn't have backpacks to stuff them into, there were a bunch of reporters there waiting for, like. Yeah, and the reporters were, like, waiting for some, like, foreign dignitary. I forget who it was, but that's who they were waiting to take pictures of. And all these influencers step out with binders. And so then it's like, yeah, now we all have binders, and we can't talk about it for a couple hours.

[Tim Pool]

That makes it worse.

[Libby Emmons]

It was worse. It was worse.

[Tim Pool]

I got. I got. I got hit up. I was talking to a couple of people. Cernovich hit me up. He had talked about this. So I got hit up before anybody knew what was going on. And they were like, check out this letter. The story that actually mattered was that Bondi said that there were files being withheld from her by the FBI that she had requested as ag. And then I had heard that there were also some. Like, some files were given out, and then somebody leaked it, breaking the embargo. So they told all these people, as you were mentioning, don't say anything. So, like, all these photos emerge, and then everyone's wondering why they won't come out and expose the information. When you think about what was in those binders, because that. Cause, like, the next day, we did an event in D.C. a live IRL show. Cernovich walks up and he hands me the binder, and he goes, go ahead, take a look. And then I open it up, and he's like, all that's public. He's like, there's some stuff that's not publicly available. It's not relevant or incriminating or anything interesting.

[Myron Gaines]

You know, it's interesting, though, because I'm like, in my head, when they got the binders right, right when they're in the White House, they could have kind of saved face, like, been like, well, if anyone was like, I've seen researcher, they could have been like, dude, this stuff's all out there. Like, we're gonna look like clowns right out.

[Libby Emmons]

They ushered them right out of the room. They hand out the binders and usher everybody out.

[Myron Gaines]

Oh, so they didn't even get a chance to look.

[Libby Emmons]

They didn't Get a chance at it.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, wow.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, that's bad, dude. See that? Now that I know, like the full story there, that's really up that they did that.

[Tim Pool]

What. What is this campaign they're doing? What is this campaign that they're doing?

[Libby Emmons]

And Bondi has been on TV talking about Epstein for months and months and months. And now that, like, you know, she basically threw Trump in the fire under the bus, or pick your metaphor, where is she? Like, you're not seeing her very much now at all. And she was out there running her mouth all over the place about this.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, she. She did a lot of appearances on Fox, man. Yapping. It's just bad because, dude, this just. Look, this is such a black eye for the right. Like, we just gotta take the L here and admit it. Like, the. The lefties are going nuts. They're loving it. Like, yes, look at them. They're imploding. You know, you got. I was. Because I was at the TP USA event too. Everybody was talking about the files.

[Libby Emmons]

The whole thing.

[Myron Gaines]

It was so big.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, at. Was it SAS or whatever?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

And the thing that makes it worse is like, they keep showing the reels of, like, how Cash Patel was saying that for Chris Wright has the files. Right. Bongino's like, I'm not letting this go. It's on my desk right now. Like, they're playing the compilation clips. Trump, would you release the FC files? Yeah, I would release it. I would do it. Ls like, oh, God, dude, they're just beating them up right now because, yo, this is the biggest W the Democrats have had since. For a very long time because they've been destroyed.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, dude, this is the biggest win they've had in probably, what, 10 years?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, well.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, seriously.

[Libby Emmons]

While certainly this administration, I mean, I.

[Tim Pool]

Mean, you look at that. Hillary's defeat, Trump comes in and then it's floundering the whole way through that the impeachment was. I would. I wouldn't call that a win. It's like the impeachment thing was confusing. Then you get. Technically you can argue Biden was a big win from. They actually got the seat of power. But quickly after that, people were upset with Biden and they were struggling with leadership. This is tremendous for them. You have normies now.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Once again, realigning with Democrats in their position and with Ro Khanna's amendment saying, release this stuff and Republicans saying, no, this is possibly the worst optics Republicans have faced in a decade.

[William Tebow]

But how long is it going to last? I Think that's the bet that Republicans are Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Trump's making it worse. Trump is. So, look, I'm sorry, but, like, this is why my, my, my assumption is he has to be doing it on purpose for some reason.

[William Tebow]

Yeah, that's, that's where I'm at.

[Libby Emmons]

But he's burning, he's dealing with, you.

[Tim Pool]

Know, I mean, if they wanted to wash this away, they could snap their fingers and wash it away. Every time they come out, they make it worse. From the beginning, they, when, when, when Pam Bondi came out and said, the files are on my desk and she was asking about the client list, and then she goes, the files are on my desk. All she had to do was do another interview. And she was like, yeah, I've gone through them and unfortunately the files that I do have are files that have already been released. So I went through it. It. There is a list of names, there's a list of individuals. They're already public. So I'm going to put in a request to the FBI and see what information we're going to dig up and we'll pursue it to the best of our ability.

[Myron Gaines]

I think they fucked up when they did the press conference with Cash and Malgino and they said, number one, they said he offed himself. Then they said, there's no video footage. Oh, wait, no, there is video footage. We're going to make it public.

[Libby Emmons]

I thought that when they did the.

[Tim Pool]

Fox, let me shut it all down.

[Myron Gaines]

There's nothing there.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me shut it down for the Trump administration once again. Tell me about Epstein, what happened, and Cash can go. We don't speak about ongoing investigations.

[Myron Gaines]

I was going to say, dude, they shouldn't even.

[Tim Pool]

End of story.

[Myron Gaines]

I've been saying this for months. They shouldn't even have given a statement. They should have said, here's all the stuff. I'm reserving my comment. Let the American public decide what they want to do and not say anything. But where they fucked up was they said that there's nothing there. Right. He went on Joe Rogan and so on, all these things. Then they didn't release it. That looks bad. It would have been better to say, look, man, I'm just releasing it. No opinion. Here you go. That was way better.

[Tim Pool]

I, I, I, that, that's why my.

[Myron Gaines]

My every step of the way here, they up the binder release. L. It makes it worse now that I know all the facts that she mentioned before the, the interviews on Fox saying like, yo, there's nothing there, blah, blah. Then, oh, forget about it. Whatever. This was just such a blunder on every single level.

[Tim Pool]

Let me pull up this from Real Clear Politics, ladies and gentlemen. We got Donald Trump's current aggregate approval rating. And while historically actually not that bad, he's currently in the aggregate spread at minus 4.7. Not that bad. His approval is 45.5. His approval is 50.2. So as we talk about issues of immigration or the Epstein story, it may actually be that it's actually not that bad. In fact, I see a super chat here from our good buddy Raymond G. Stanley Jr. He says his sister was watching IRL with them last night and she asked why Epstein was such a big deal. Wasn't he already convicted? So I think there's a lot of regular people that don't know.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But here's what I want, what I want to hammer out with his approval rating. First, I'll say this. Trump is underwater. He has gone down. Even Rasmussen has him at minus 4, which is really bad. Rasmussen actually does fairly well for Trump. But check this out. On immigration, Donald Trump's approval rating is minus 2.8 in aggregate. I don't care about the individual polls because they're all nuts. But you can look at the trend movement. Donald Trump was previously in a really good place on immigration. It was his best issue and he's gone down on this issue. There's a couple ways you can look at it, but it may be when I can't figure out why Trump is flubbing the Epstein thing so much, is that there's two bad circumstances for Trump. The Epstein case has got angry. Megabase. Yeah. Immigration has got angry. Democrats.

[Myron Gaines]

They're going nuts. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

But Trump can't lose on immigration. His approval rating on immigration is 47.3. It's above his. His actual aggregate general approval rating. This may be so. Again, I'm going to say this, I don't know why, but it looks like the Trump DOJ and all that are flubbing this intentionally. How could you do so miserably? I've brought it up before. Democrats have long said whenever Trump is in trouble, almost key agenda item, one of his key agenda items, he will change the subject. Could it be the reason he's tweeting about Epstein? And our truthing about Epstein and Bondi is because he know that knows that story will never go anywhere and it takes people away from the immigration story. Let people be mad about Epstein and he's going to send in the troops to California.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, I mean, that, that could be. That could be a Because let me also say this, from working in immigration before, what Trump is doing when it comes to immigration, I got to give him credit. Phenomenal. We haven't had a president do this type of immigration enforcement in the interior in a very long time. And I want to make this very clear, because I know me, and you were discussing this earlier, people would say, oh, well, actually, Trump deported those people than Obama and Clinton and all these other people. That, that's not what matters. Is the reason why Trump's deportations are down is because he secures the border when the border secured. That's a significant amount of deportations. So interior immigration enforcement is where things really need to be. This is where the Democrats always fail, because the Democrats are pussies and are scared of enforcing Title 8 because it looks bad politically. It's a political hot potato. So the fact that Trump is doing this now and making it happen, well, he's dealing with this heat because we've gotten so pussified where we just allow illegal immigrants to come in, hang out, and then when they're here illegally, no, just let them stay. And the fact that there's such a backlash to him enforcing immigration law in the interior tells you that we haven't enforced it in a very long time. So what he's doing is unprecedented. It's a good thing. But obviously he's going to get some heat for it because most presidents don't have the cojones to actually launch a real law enforcement operation in the interior. Deporting people on the border doesn't matter. Who cares? Give them an er, get him out of here. We're talking about interior enforcement. Very difficult to do. The fact that he mobilized FBI in the DEA and ATF agencies that don't have Title 8 authorities to assist with this stuff is a feat in itself. So kudos to him for that.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, look, the, the, no matter what happens with the Epstein files, I still don't regret voting for Donald Trump just because of the border.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I want to stress this, too. Let's, let's start from the premise. I want to make perfectly clear. They should be releasing the Epstein files.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

This campaign is bs. I don't believe it for two seconds. That being said is the only reason we're mad is because Trump said he would, but he didn't. Democrats promised they never would. They didn't bring it up. They were engaged in untoward activities and illicit activities. And then Democrat members of Congress and their voters never asked them to do anything about it. And Trump Says I will, but then doesn't. So it's kind of like a circumstantial. It is only because Trump promised to do it and he didn't that we are actually mad.

[William Tebow]

Well, and I think it's a way for people to realize that they're not crazy. We've seen like. Like has been discussed 25 years of chaos, wars in which we shouldn't have fought, a financial crisis that doesn't get talked about enough, defining the millennial generation and Covid, like, to top it all off, lies after lies after lies. And I think we wanted some reason, right? It was, it was some credence for why this has been going on, why our leaders seem so unaccountable. But I mean, Phil, to your point, I think this is. Immigration is the game. It's the game for our nation. It is the. I think it's the game politically for President Trump. And, you know, perhaps you're right.

[Myron Gaines]

One of the most important things that people voted for it, like, it was, was the immigration. I mean, for me, you know, it was on my top three for sure, and I'm sure for many others, it was in their top one or two. So I think the reason why people are so pissed is because this administration was like, this is going to be the administration of transparency. He campaigned on going against a deep state. Right. Obviously, he had to endure the lawfare. So when he came in and campaigned on that, like, we're gonna, you know, drain the swamp and we're gonna have more transparency, etc, Cash Patel said that we're going to make the FBI your FBI again. So this is why people are so pissed off, because they're like, what the hell? You said that you were going to go on the, you know, with the transparency. So that's why people are pissed. But, yeah, I mean, they're holding Trump to a higher standard than your average politician because of that, right?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

I mean, so unfortunately, like, things like this, which is, you know, good from an immigration standpoint, I can tell you guys, as a guy that used to enforce satellite, what he's doing is. Is great when it comes to this, because it's been a problem for a very long time, dude. I remember vividly when I was on a job under the Obama administration, like, ero, I'd go into their office, right? Maybe I had, like a guy with me that I wanted to process or whatever I want to turn into an informant. And I'd use their facilities because they have a way better processing station than we did. They'd be sitting around just hanging out on their phones, like chilling and not doing anything. Because under Obama it was very frowned upon to go out and do interior enforcement. Even if you had warrants of deportation, etc. They don't want to go out and arrest people because, number one, the locals weren't going to help them. Number two is going to be a pain in the ass. And then number three, they might deal with some backlash from the higher management because of Obama being in office. So immigration is a very sensitive topic, especially when it comes to interior enforcement, where depending on who's in office, it dictates how hard you can go on your job. So what we're seeing now is a refreshing change for sure when it comes to interior immigration enforcement.

[Phil Labonte]

So when you say refreshing change, so you're thinking that the previous administrations had a border policy that was acceptable.

[Myron Gaines]

No, they didn't. No, no, no. I'm saying it's refreshing because not only when I say refreshing, I mean as in doing interior enforcement.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Myron Gaines]

Like, like doing, like enforcing on the border was like, okay, we catch them on the border. It is what it is, right? Because border patrol is there. You have way more authority, you have way more immigration officials that are there. But once they make it past that 30, you know, what's called the functional equivalent of the border, that 30 mile radius, they're safe, dude. They make it in, they're good. Like, you're, they're probably not going to get touched by ERO at that point because it's ICRO that's responsible for them once they get into the country. And if they're having their hands tied by the administration in office, they're not going to go after them.

[Phil Labonte]

What was the, what was the last administration that actually did things like ICE raids?

[Myron Gaines]

It's Trump's first administration.

[Phil Labonte]

They were more before Donald Trump.

[Myron Gaines]

Oh, dude.

[William Tebow]

Ever?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I don't, I don't recall ICE raids by George Bush.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, it was always frowned upon. And then before that was ins. So prior to George Bush, it was INS and it was under the doj. So it was always fairly frowned upon. Like I remember, here's another. So worksite enforcement, right? So you had to get like headquarters approval to do a worksite enforcement raid under the Obama administration. It was a big deal.

[Phil Labonte]

Really?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, dude.

[Libby Emmons]

And, but there was a situation too where you have to fill out i9 forms, right? To be, to get a job in the US you have to fill out an i9 form that shows that you're a citizen. But the deal with the i9 forms is they never go back to government. They just sit in your file, and then if government comes knocking, you have your forms ready. Why aren't those filed with the federal government? Filed with the, you know, filed with dhs?

[Myron Gaines]

Great answer, Great question. That's really.

[Libby Emmons]

Because then they could look at the Social Security numbers, run them and see what's up.

[Myron Gaines]

It's contingent upon the administration.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, but they've never done it. You never, you never file.

[Myron Gaines]

So they ramped them up. So like under the Obama administration, they did them kind of. And then once Trump came in, we ramped them up. But depending on who's in office, that dictates how hard you go with immigration. The Obama hot political hot potato.

[William Tebow]

The Obama administration needs to be studied because they were so effective. Even I was. My first deployment was on the transition from Obama to the first Trump administration. And it was night and day between the approvals you had to seek overseas. Right. Think. Think whatever you want about what we were doing, but the Obama administration had a squeeze on everything that happened, down to the tactical level, whether in the military or dhs. And it, you know, it's something that I want. I wish we had more people on the inside then because it's, it's a lesson in how to use power.

[Myron Gaines]

That.

[William Tebow]

That's where.

[Myron Gaines]

Let me ask you this, because I've been wanting to really ask someone from the military on this that was actually doing stuff, was it more restrictive under Obama or less.

[William Tebow]

A lot more.

[Myron Gaines]

A lot more.

[William Tebow]

Essentially, if you wanted to conduct a kinetic activity of any kind in Iraq at least, or, you know, or Syria at the time, you basically had to get a White House approval.

[Myron Gaines]

Wow. And that's why he loved drones so much. Right.

[William Tebow]

Well, that's insane. Right. But it's insane. It's insane to. And so there, there wasn't, I mean, literally a night and day difference between when Obama was in office and then when Trump. Trump came into town. It's, it's, it's why he does deserve credit for how things went against ISIS in northeast Syria. Because you wouldn't have had the rules of engagement, latitude, and the flexibility for the commanders on the ground to. To take, take ISIS fighters out. Because previously, Obama almost himself wanted and wanted a signature on almost everyone.

[Myron Gaines]

Wow.

[William Tebow]

Which to me, again, it's. The lesson is presidents, if they want it, can use their power and it can be effective. It's just a question of having. Having the will.

[Phil Labonte]

That's one of the things that I think Donald Trump has shown very clearly, like the, the expectations of a Conservative president are going to be different going down the line for the future, for at least for the foreseeable future, just because of President Trump. Before Trump, it was, oh, you know, you can't do this, and et cetera. And there was always excuses, you know, Congress has to blah, blah, blah, et cetera. Donald Trump came in and he's like, nope, executive order, executive order, executive order. And this is how it's going to be. And the American people are like, oh, wow, you really can just do that if you're the president.

[Myron Gaines]

It's interesting how like time with, from law enforcement and military, you know, with a Democrat president, far more restrictive, need more approvals with, with a Republican president, you're just allowed to do your job with far more, you know, leeway.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Trump did that the first time. All of his executive orders after Obama on the border, he had a ton of those. And then Biden, on his first day in office, literally reversed every single one, opening the border and creating multiple semi legal ways of illegal immigrants coming into the country and sticking around. And then when Trump took office, he reversed them again. I, I really hope that we don't end up with a situation where the White House is just continuously ruling by fiat and every four years, everything drastically, drastically changes like that.

[Myron Gaines]

I think it's a little much with immigration. Unfortunately, it always flips because Democrats are always, you know, far, you know, easier. They, they pump the brakes on, on immigration every single time.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

Because that's their base is blacks, immigrants, like, well.

[Libby Emmons]

And now they're trying to like, yeah. Jeffries already came out. Was it yesterday? Hakeem Jeffries was like, you know, we're gonna use every tool at our disposal, including redistricting. And then you had Jasmine Crockett on cue in, I think she was, wherever she was today talking about how Texas districting is racist and so they need to do redistricting. So she's going to pull like it's racist. Get the redistricting, which was already Hakeem Jeffrey's plan to try and win back the house in 2026. So it's just awesome. And it's all fakery. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story from the Post Millennial. Speaking of fakery, CEO of marketing group says he was offered 20 a $20 million contract to organize anti Trump protests. The CEO of crowds on Demand has said that he rejected an offer of $20 million to organize the Good Trouble Lives on protest taking place on July 17. The CEO of Crowds in Demand, Adam Stewart, told reporters on at NewsNation we rejected an offer that's probably worth around $20 million. The value of the contract would have been worth around that much nationwide to organize huge demonstrations around the country. But personally, I just don't think it's effective. When News Nation addressed who had offered the money, he did not say who it was that had approached him about organizing the protest and that he concerns about violence, thought it would be ineffective and did not want to be involved. Influence Watch has referred to Crowd On Demand as a marketing firm for protests. The group says on its website that they are the home for impactful advocacy campaigns and demonstrations, PR stunts, crowds for hire, and corporate events. And I'm going to go. Go ahead and just say it's, like, all fake.

[Libby Emmons]

Yep. I think it's all fake, too. And so anybody who's going out to see these, you know, Good Trouble protesting guests on Thursday just know that it's all fake. And the last one, Trouble.

[Tim Pool]

What are these supposed to be?

[Libby Emmons]

Good Trouble. It's. What's his name? John Lewis. John Lewis. I think it's the anniversary of former Rep. John Lewis's death, and he was involved in the civil rights movement really heavily, and he always said that he, you know, the best thing to do is get into good trouble. Like, you can get good trouble. Like, if you're protesting and fighting the power, that's good trouble. And if you're lobbing Molotov cocktails to, you know, take down the Trump administration, he probably would have said that's good power, too.

[Phil Labonte]

There's a book called Good Trouble Lessons from the Civil Rights Playbook, and it's by Christopher Nixon, and it's basically about using, you know.

[Libby Emmons]

Right, but isn't it about the rep. Because I think this is the anniversary of his desk.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, this particular. So I'm talking about the book. What you're talking about might be something.

[Libby Emmons]

That's what he said.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

They took. They took good trouble from Lewis.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Phil Labonte]

So, but it is about political activism. And.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, he would have been.

[Phil Labonte]

And essentially, good trouble is just trouble that, you know.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Breaking the law in ways that Democrats.

[William Tebow]

Justice.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[William Tebow]

I'm trying to decide if this means that we're winning or losing. You know, like if, if you have to pay $20 million for someone not to throw your protest for you, but at the same time, then it shows that they've got people who care so much that they're going to spend $20 million for people to save a lot. I mean, look inside a ride.

[Phil Labonte]

Honestly, if, if there's people that are spending that much money on these kind of protests, any kind of violence that erupts at them. The people that actually are spending money on these should be arrested. If there's. If they're inciting. There's technically inciting violence. You know, they're spending money saying, look here, go to this place and. And make a bunch of trouble. And, you know, and we're spending money on it. There's got to. There's got to be some.

[Myron Gaines]

I'll say again, people get mad when I say this. I think the left is far more violent than the right. By far.

[Phil Labonte]

They're clearly far more violent.

[Myron Gaines]

Way more people. Oh, it's a hot take, dude. The BLM riots where they burned down Minneapolis with zero consequence. The defund police movements all across the country. Burning down Portland, burning down Seattle, like anytime the hell, what's going on right now with immigration stuff, they're destroying the cities right there. They got to bring the National Guard in.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, all the attacks on the islands.

[Myron Gaines]

Do anything violent, like January 6th, right? They say, oh, that's insurrection. They all went to jail. FBI had the biggest investigation ever. But when these BLM guys go crazy or they antifa goes wild, nobody gives a. They just allow it to happen.

[Phil Labonte]

Not only do they allow it, the people in, you know, Democrats are doing things to support people that were arrested, try to get them bail money.

[Myron Gaines]

And we just started going hard on these people. Once Pambani got in, when they were firebombing the Teslas, yeah, we just started finally putting these people. But. But the reason why they felt confident firebombing Teslas and destroying Teslas and doing all the things they did is because they got away with it for so long. For the past four years, I think.

[Tim Pool]

Trump was sitting in the Oval Office and he was like, why do so many people like me? My approval rating should be way lower. Tell him Epstein's fake. Just like writing drops by two points.

[Myron Gaines]

Like.

[Tim Pool]

Like, only a little bit to be fair.

[Myron Gaines]

You know, people, I think today they just put a bunch of them while we're watching news. I think a bunch of them got indict a bunch of these rioters, but, like, people are shooting at the cops and stuff like that. This would be unheard of if conservatives were doing this. They'd be on the frontline news. They went after the January 6, or some guys didn't even go in a building. They got arrested. So, dude, the left is way more violent, man. And it wasn't until this administration came in that they're finally holding these accountable.

[Phil Labonte]

And they should be doing. They should be prosecuting him to the fullest extent of law. Absolutely.

[Myron Gaines]

They're finally getting hit with terrorism charges with the Tesla stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Whatever happened to that dude that got falsely accused of shooting? You saw that in. Was it in Utah? The no Kings protest. So this antifa guy is wearing all black, he's got a rifle, he's walking down the sidewalk legally and peacefully when two of the liberals from like from the volunteer group organizing the protest drew their weapons on him for no reason and started shooting at him.

[Libby Emmons]

5501, wasn't it?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

He was the antifa guy that got.

[Tim Pool]

Shot at or so. Yeah. So antifa guy is walking. So here's the main street, everybody's walking north. Antifa. So everybody's walking this way. Antifa guy starts walking this way. I don't know if you stores with a rifle hanging down. He's not doing anything.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Open care, totally legal. And then there's two liberals on the other side of the street. They just drop pistols and start shooting and one guy opens fire and they shot and killed an innocent guy. Then the cops came in and arrested the antifa guy.

[Libby Emmons]

They let him go.

[Tim Pool]

Right, but, but did they drop the charges?

[Libby Emmons]

I think they dropped the charges. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

As they should.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

So they even shoot each other.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean liberals and antifa aren't the same group. They only fight in the same like I don't want to get into that. Where as we look to the left we see antifa and liberals and assume around the same side. But when you actually walk up to them, the antifa guys further behind them. Okay, the liberals are anti gun. Antifa's pro gun.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So antifa's pro gun for themselves, but they'll at least advocate.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, because they, they believe in like violent resistance. Yeah, right.

[Tim Pool]

They'll take your guns from you at a moment's notice but for the time being they'll vote to protect your guns because they want them to.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. So animal rights, let's kill everybody. You know, something like that.

[Tim Pool]

I mean it gets weird, man.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, they get, they get crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, look, anything that we can do to. To wrap up the violent people that have been doing everything they can to destabilize the country because that's the goal is to destabilize the United states.

[William Tebow]

Where's our January 6th investigation though?

[Tim Pool]

You mean the May, the May 29th riots where they firebombed the White House grounds and.

[William Tebow]

Right, right.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody did anything.

[William Tebow]

No, exactly. I mean the. From the Summer of Love from Even from the, the immigration protests.

[Myron Gaines]

I think they should have like a zero tolerance. If it was me, man. Bro, these guys rioting on the, on the street. Like, if you, you destroy one building, you riot violently one time, you're all going to. So Tucker had a great, Gotta send a message, man.

[William Tebow]

He had a great clip from his. I think it was a TPUSA speech, something recently where he was. He essentially asked, where is all the money that we spend on our military going?

[Tim Pool]

And what.

[William Tebow]

And why don't we use it to make Americans lives better? I think this is a great way to do that. You know, Tom Cotton proposed this during the first administration to send the 101st Airborne into New York City or into Chicago wherever it's needed.

[Myron Gaines]

Because what is it that they technically has.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but no, this doesn't matter. As long as they're defending federal property and not enforcing domestic law, it's allowed.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If we wanted to send.

[Myron Gaines]

Well, they had them in the government building.

[William Tebow]

Plenty of federal buildings around the country.

[Tim Pool]

Of course, I, I do think there's an interesting economic argument to where if we just took the military spending and then spent it on communities or people like, it wouldn't help the economy. But certainly building weapons. I suppose it helps the economy in the sense that it maintains the petrodollar by a global hegemonic force. So.

[William Tebow]

But what if you, you use the military to help revitalize legally or however, you know, downtowns and cities, you know that.

[Myron Gaines]

And they're going to scream authoritarianism. Of course cares are going to go crazy. They're going to be like, oh, fascism. They love that word, fascism. I always say, I don't care.

[William Tebow]

I will trade showing people, you know, a window into, you know, the 90s or something or the 50s in exchange for, you know, the chaos or whatever electoral consequences.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. To them, they're more scared of fa. They're more scared of fascism than like their country being destroyed. Right. They're like, oh, fascism. And it's like, oh, okay, let's just go ahead and let all of our major cities go under fire.

[Tim Pool]

That's what they want.

[Myron Gaines]

So scared.

[Tim Pool]

They want, want.

[Myron Gaines]

So it's like, dude, it's ridiculous.

[Libby Emmons]

You think they want to see the destruction of our cities?

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I can tell you at least from Occupy Wall street, that's what they wanted. From the ashes of the old, we shall build the new. They want to burn down the system. They think capitalism is evil.

[Myron Gaines]

They, I mean, cops hate law enforcement.

[Tim Pool]

They just literally hate the existence of, of the, the The American order. And so they want to burn all the ground and then have a communist utopia where they will be on their farm teaching poetry, which of course they won't. They'll be in a gulag.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. And they don't get to have a farm.

[Tim Pool]

That's right, yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

It's like I, I, the government, no land ownership. Because I watch a lot of, you know, liberal media just to kind of see what the other side is thinking. I think being in your own echo chamber is bad. And I kind of have like a, like I play a game. It's like, okay, let's see how long it takes until they say the word fascism, bro. They never make it past a minute seconds, dude. Literally authoritarianism or fascism. Within seconds, they're, they're screaming, oh, or imperialism. That's another one they love.

[Tim Pool]

Love.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And then, you know, fascism is just, oh, police.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah. That's literally what it is, the Gestapo. Yeah, these ICE agents are the Gestapo. They're like kidnapping people. No, that person has a follow order removal, an illegal alien. They need to be removed. Who, dude? The Gestapo, the secret police. And it's like, bro, what the hell, man?

[Phil Labonte]

Controlling who is or isn't allowed into a country is about the most mundane thing that a country can do. And they consider doing the bare minimum to actually be a country to be fascism. Because a lot of them, I mean, a lot of them are, they believe that there should be open borders. There shouldn't be any countries. There were people that were making, that were, you know, protesting on the border for a while that were saying things like, no Trump, no wall, no USA at all. They don't believe in countries because they're like, oh, well, we're all people and we should all just get along. And there's.

[Myron Gaines]

And not only that, they think like, oh, let's just like fast track all the people that are here illegally. Let's just reward them for coming here illegally. Like you said you were at the event. There was a comedian, Rob Schneider, something like that. Rob Schneider, he came in and said like, oh, yeah, like, we need to find a way to give. Like, Because I think he's like, I don't know what he is. Maybe a centrist or a leftist, I don't know. But the point is he said something like along the lines of like, we should find a way to fast track a lot of these, like Mexican farmers so they could continue picking strawberries because Americans are going to do it. And I'm like, dude, like, what the, you're at tp usa talking about, you know, more immigration. Get the about of. Or he's like, well. And people started booing and he's like, well, Americans are going to do it. That's a lie.

[Tim Pool]

That's a lie.

[Myron Gaines]

That's a huge.

[Tim Pool]

They'll do it for a price.

[Myron Gaines]

This whole concept of like, oh, Americans won't do this job, so we need to give it to. To legal aliens. That is a bold face lie.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's play again.

[Myron Gaines]

Justify paying them less and bringing people here legally.

[Tim Pool]

Let's try this. Let's try that. Libby, would you pick strawberries in the field for. For 10 bucks an hour if that.

[Libby Emmons]

Was the only job I could.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, right now. 10 bucks an hour. I'll give you 10 bucks an hour. Go pick strawberries.

[Libby Emmons]

No, I have a job.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, well hold on.

[Tim Pool]

What about 20 bucks an hour? Hour.

[Libby Emmons]

I have a job.

[Tim Pool]

About 50 bucks an hour maybe. All right, 100 bucks an hour probably.

[Libby Emmons]

At least.

[Tim Pool]

That's the point. When they say Americans won't do the job, what they're actually saying is they want to pay people wages below way less than. Right, Exactly.

[Myron Gaines]

Slavery, actually. Yeah. Cuz like, this is why I'm like, so against the H1B visa. Because they'll say, oh, we're bringing in high school workers. No, you're not. You're just using that as an excuse to like, like, you know, take jobs from Americans. You're saying something interesting about Microsoft.

[William Tebow]

Yeah, well, I think Microsoft just announced.

[Myron Gaines]

Layoffs for 6,000 people or something.

[William Tebow]

Nine. Nine thousand Americans.

[Tim Pool]

But did you see the store? Actually, I'm going to pull this one up.

[Myron Gaines]

They're going to hire like 15k and.

[William Tebow]

They, and they opened up an application.

[Libby Emmons]

Portal more for strawberries if they were picked by Americans.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from wccf. Tech candy crush developers set to be laid off by Microsoft and are reportedly being replaced by the AI tools they were told to build.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, this is, I mean, this is a problem all across the tech, the tech world, by the way. This is like, this is happening all across the tech world.

[Libby Emmons]

It's been happening.

[Tim Pool]

No, the end is nigh.

[Libby Emmons]

This happened to my aunt and uncle. They were in tech and they were training H1B B visa workers. This was in the early 2000s. And then those workers replaced them.

[William Tebow]

But think about how cynical it is. They, they want, there's a, you know, the other side wants to import endless labor to fill these jobs. And strawberry pickers. And I think it's the strawberry pickers and the entry Level engineers and lawyers who are going to get replaced by technology a lot sooner than we.

[Libby Emmons]

Maybe not the strawberry pickers. I mean if we, I, I.

[Tim Pool]

Have you seen, have you seen like how they pick blueberries? Yeah, they've got these like.

[Libby Emmons]

But strawberries are mushier.

[Tim Pool]

I know. Hold on, hold on. They've got this thing for blueberries where it's like a combination with a basket and you put in the plant and you shake it and lift it up. Have you seen how they do apples? They have this thing that wraps around the tree and then just shakes it and all the apples fall down. They can automate the picking of strawberries without mushing them. Without mushing them.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. To be fair, strawberries go bad like a day after you get them anyway.

[Libby Emmons]

So that's why you have to eat a bunch of strawberries, which is actually awesome. We get in like we'll get so many strawberries and then just for two days I eat a ton of strawberries and I'm very happy about it.

[Tim Pool]

It. But it's, you know, I, I think, I think we are headed to, I think this, this story has me convinced we're going to socialism is going to.

[William Tebow]

Win in some fashion or fascism.

[Libby Emmons]

Why this story? Why the AI story?

[Tim Pool]

So we are, we are in what's called the attention economy right now. A large portion of our, of our, we, we went from a manufacturing base to a service sector economy. Now we're then we were information based shortly. Now it's attention based. Those who can hold the attention of another person make the most money. It's about awareness. Candy Crush is a gang and they have employees who make the game and they said program AI tools that can do what you do. And now you're fired. And now the robot takes over. So AI is going to start replacing all of the attention economy and information economy jobs and it's going to result in a lot of higher, like higher, higher income, better educated. I don't educate, I put air quotes. Without a means of accessing the markets. And they are going to have a certain degree of influence if this trend continues, there will be a path of least resistance effort is why I think socialism. Because what they're going to do is they're going to argue, well, actually I'll just put it this way. These laid off Microsoft workers, how many of them are going to file for unemployment? How many are going to file for benefits because they lost their job through no fault of their own? And it's not so much about socialism winning per se, being a Little bit facetious, a little hyperbolic. It's that we're going to see a massive increase in strain on the welfare system. It may collapse. Maybe it goes fascistic. The more you get people who can't work, it's going to be like the Luddite movements. There's going to be, there's going to be violence against it. And just like with the Industrial revolution, you are, you run the risk like you saw with the Bolsheviks or any, you know, any, any revolution, the French Revolution. Too many people can't get food, too many people can't own property. And then they say, I don't care. If I have to take it, I'm taking it.

[Libby Emmons]

This is why Andrew Yang was in favor of universal basic income, which is.

[Tim Pool]

Also a bad idea.

[Libby Emmons]

It is a bad idea. I have a quick AI question just for the panel, if I may. So you have all of these AI chatbots and stuff and you know, media outlets probably employ chatbots to write articles and all of the information that the AI calls from is just what's on the Internet and like a lot of liberal media outlets and things like this. And now you have a situation where GROK just got a contract with the DOD to do stuff. GROK recently went on like a whole, you know, bunch of nasty tirades or whatever. That was what they reported on. Sort of amusing, but also, you know, a little disturbing when you consider that.

[Tim Pool]

Now they are kind of disturbing when you realize that they're going to put these AIs into kill bots.

[Libby Emmons]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

And to self driving cars. Who. Look, if the argument. But how, if the argument. So they're putting rock in the car. But if the argument is this was a rogue accident where GROK started saying that it agreed with Hitler or whatever, what happens when your car running on GROK decides to agree with Hitler and just running people down?

[Libby Emmons]

And how do we, and how can we encourage, how can we encourage like the makers of GROK and Chat, GPT and all of the other ones to use conservative media and conservative stories to train their AI?

[Tim Pool]

Well, he's trying to, but there aren't any.

[Libby Emmons]

There's a lot.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I know, but I mean Human.

[Libby Emmons]

Events goes back to like 1948 or so.

[Tim Pool]

How many articles? Let's, let's, let's try this. Okay, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to ask our robot friend.

[William Tebow]

There's, I don't, I don't think, I think you have to use force, the force of NYT.

[Tim Pool]

Right? Per day. Day. How many articles does NYT write per day? 150 with 250 on Sunday and 65 daily blogs.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, that's a lot. I mean, post Millennial, we do probably about 20 to 25 a day. And at human events we do like, you know, six or seven.

[Tim Pool]

So the issue is there are a bunch of these, like, like, let's do this. How many, many articles does CNN write per day? I bet they write more. Maybe not. Let's see what they do. Cnn. Let's see. Oh my God, Wait. In May, they produce 9,430 pieces of content.

[Libby Emmons]

That is a lot of content.

[Tim Pool]

Well, 300 pieces per day.

[Libby Emmons]

Some of that could be video, right?

[Tim Pool]

It is, it is video. It's articles that are largely graphic based, but you're still putting out that information which will be absorbed. And how does the anti establishment independent media space compete with that? If they're producing at 10%, then the training models are going to be at 10%.

[Libby Emmons]

That makes a lot of sense. But at the same time, now we're feeding these tools, we're using these tools in government, we're using these tools to generate content and information and we're instilling in these tools a bias that would take a century to, to deconstruct if it were ever possible to deconstruct it in the first place.

[William Tebow]

I mean, that's why I think this is going to be the issue of the 2028 election and that it'll be socialism or fascism based on if it's the right or the left that presents a compelling way forward.

[Myron Gaines]

And I'll tell you this, the right is already in bed with the tech world. Like JD Vance is with Peter Thiel and everything. Like they, the.

[Libby Emmons]

The government.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, you know, the PayPal mafia, they all basically got into the White House through J.D. vance and they backed Trump because of that. So they're going to push for more deregulation. J.D. vance, I think, was in Europe like a month or two ago talking about this. So that's going to be the future, man. They're going to push for more AI in the future.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. I don't think that the US really has a choice though, because if the US doesn't do it, you know that China's doing it, you know that Russia's doing it, you know that they're.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh sure, everybody's doing it.

[William Tebow]

Yeah, that's why I'm not.

[Libby Emmons]

I think that we are literally like, we're doing that paint yourself into a corner thing.

[Tim Pool]

We are screwed in that all of the AI that exists right now is functionally a liberal ant.

[Libby Emmons]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. Imagine asking your liberal aunt anything and she's going to be like, well, Trump beat that child to death and raped that woman. You're like, whoa, whoa, lady, that's not true.

[Libby Emmons]

Suddenly, like, they're going to think Trump invented those even though it was Obama.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And it's gonna build everything based off of those presumptions.

[Libby Emmons]

There's a, there's a hearing on the Flores agreement on Friday, I think.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And I mean, to Tim's point, you can look at Wikipedia and you know, Wikipedia is full of left wing bias because the writers are openly anti. They're.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. All these people who are like, probably.

[Tim Pool]

You know, because they're better to organize because they're collectivists and the right is like, leave me alone. I want to do nothing.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Or I want to do my own thing. I want to shoot guns and pick my own strawberries. God damn it.

[Phil Labonte]

Both of those things are great, right?

[Libby Emmons]

Seems good. Maybe I should get some little raised beds for my garden. Chicken wire so the deer can't eat them.

[William Tebow]

Well, but, but this will turn a whole. I mean, to your point, it was, it's going to be middle class kids who graduate college. The unemployment rate for GRA College graduates this past year was, I think, the lowest in almost 20 years. And that was a kind of unforeseen and aberration in comparison to the rest of the labor market. It's only going to get worse and it's going to affect the people who were told, hey, you know, learn to code, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[William Tebow]

Be, be, be a lawyer.

[Tim Pool]

How many, how many strawberry pickers does a field need?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't know. We should ask Cesar Chavez.

[Tim Pool]

Per acre. How many, how many people per acre are needed to pick strawberries? And why strawberries? Who picked that? Did you pick that?

[Libby Emmons]

I picked it and it's because they're awesome, you know. Did you pick it?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, I said strawberry. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. One acre requires 10 to 15 people per day.

[Libby Emmons]

Fruit man, Strawberries are great.

[Tim Pool]

One strawberry picker can harvest 100 to 150 pounds of strawberries per day, depending on skill. An average Yield range is 10,000, £20,000 per acre per season.

[Libby Emmons]

And you gotta like, bend down, right? You gotta be stooping down.

[Tim Pool]

So during peak season, farms use 12 to 20 workers per acre. Wow.

[Myron Gaines]

Only thing that sucks is, like, sometimes they get pounded by pesticides. You got to get the right ones.

[Tim Pool]

How would you feel about going to the grocery store and a pack of strawberries? Costs $30.

[Libby Emmons]

I'd still buy them, you know, but I'd cut back on other stuff. Like you remember in the pandemic and everything just kept getting more expensive. But your grocery bill would keep getting more expensive even when you have less.

[Myron Gaines]

Food for all of it cheaper, depending on where you live.

[Tim Pool]

Now, I want expensive everything. I mean that somewhat facetiously, but here's the point.

[Libby Emmons]

I would pay.

[Tim Pool]

I was, I was Talking to the Mrs. About these. A lot of the projects we're doing and I'm frustrated always about how long it takes, like trying to do this coffee shop, shop. We do have developments going on. The work is getting done. But I'm like, why can't we just go and build a building? Like the building that we're in took like two years to do. And I'm like, the actual work to do, it was much, much faster than that. And I'm like, what happened? And it's like, okay, well, to be fair, what a massive building. It wasn't so much permits, it's like getting the materials. But the truth is we are running into these slowdowns because a lack of workers. And then I looked outside.

[Libby Emmons]

It's like when you're trying to get.

[Tim Pool]

It and I see people in the park playing and I'm like, like, I mean, there's a lot of adults out here just drinking beers and chilling and they're not working. And I'm like, so there, there are people that are capable of working. Why can't we get more work done? And the issue is we are fat and lazy Americans. Food is dirt cheap. And so young people, I'm not talking about the middle aged people. I'm not talking about people with kids. There's a lot of younger people, either younger, millennial or Gen Z, who don't need money for anything because they don't have families. So they're not thinking about, man, I, I gotta buy my kid this formula or I gotta get clothes for my baby or my babies without kids. They're sitting there being like, Dang, I cleared 2k this week at work. And after taxes, I got, you know, 13 to do whatever with. I already paid my rent off last week. I'll go to the bar.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then it's like, hey, I need someone to pick strawberries. Not interested. But what would happen if we got rid of the illegal immigrants hired Americans? What's going to happen is they're going to say, we need strawberries picked. I'm not going to do it. Okay, how about 20 bucks an hour? Nah, 30, 30 bucks an hour maybe. Dang. And so what, after one day I get a couple hundred bucks? All right, I'll do it for 30. Someone else might say 40. But then your strawberries are going to be very expensive. But then people are going to be like, dang, it's going to be hard to buy these strawberries. I better start doing work. The issue is, because you know what, I'm a little torn in this. I don't want people to go without. But I do think that we are the rat utopia with so much excess, we stop doing anything that we need to, to survive.

[Libby Emmons]

Like wall etiocracy, it's all of those things.

[Tim Pool]

We have reached the apex of abundance. This is what post scarity starts to feel like and it kills humans. Humanity as a civilization dies post scarcity.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, we need to feel industrious. We need to be doing things. We need to be doing things. And it's not just things. We need doing things that are useful and towards the end of our own survival. That's what.

[Myron Gaines]

And also, since people don't have kids and don't have families, you know, they don't need as much money, therefore they don't need to work as much. You know, I'll tell you this, people have told me all like, you know, I've seen lazy guys that have a kid and then all of us, well, unless they're black, but they have a kid and then they work even harder, right? So besides the black people, so.

[William Tebow]

Well, I think this is the wisdom behind Trump's tariffs too. Like, you know, we are, are at a point of abundance that is obscene. There is, you know, the, the profits grow, but the personal wealth, the family wealth doesn't. And so now it's a point of resetting the economy to some degree so it can survive. Because I, I, I wonder if it ever will. I mean, I, I don't know, I don't know what the future looks like beyond, you know, in a world where if there are no software engineers, all.

[Myron Gaines]

Jokes aside, having a family definitely will make you work harder than, though if.

[Tim Pool]

Oh yeah, if you, if people in a society stop working. So again, I, I bring up this, these points quite a bit. But we've got, we've had businesses around the neighborhood or around the town here that have shut down because they couldn't find the workers. So there was one place that it was a restaurant and it had demand through the roof and they were like, we don't have anybody working here. I went to a diner not that far away A couple months ago. And we went in and, and probably two thirds of the seat, seats are empty. And they were like, it'll just be a minute. We're short staffed. We only have like two servers and one cook, so we can't seat everybody. So they were turning people away, even though half the restaurant was open. And I'm wondering why it is nobody's working. There's a. I bring up the Charlestown races, Hollywood casino. They used to have a restaurant overlooking the horse track. Now it's closed, only open on special events. I said, why? And they say, we can't find anybody to work. And I'm like, this is why Democrats are demanding mass illegal immigration. Because they're like, we need people who are willing to work. And their argument is Americans are unwilling to work. Americans are fat and happy.

[Myron Gaines]

Not only that, they say also immigrants are going to have more kids. That's their other argument too is like, oh, the birth rate, we can't replace, so we got to go ahead and bring immigrants. But the problem with immigrants is they come in, they don't assimilate, they don't want to learn a language, right? And then they replace you. They, they end up bringing their culture and they have way more kids. And then you end up like, you know, know London, where it's literally the number one name is Muhammad now. So it's like. And then you lose your identity, you lose your culture, unfortunately. So immigration has its inherent problems. You look at Toronto, Toronto no longer you, you think you're in Mumbai. Like, you don't think you're in Canada anymore. So. So I definitely see your perspective. I do think that having families is going to help that because you, even a lazy person will go in and say, damn, you know, I need to work. I got to work this job that I don't like, but it's because I have a family I got to support.

[Tim Pool]

I, I think there's no answer because is the fact that we're in this mess. People aren't having kids without kids, there's no drive to do the work that you have to do. Replacing the lost worker with illegal immigrants is not solving the problem, it's exacerbating it. So I don't know how we claw back from this other than I shout out Rudyard lynch, who said, he said, get off the Internet. Everyone's going insane. Nobody can see things objectively and like, build your community and your support structure for survival because you'll need it. I don't know about getting off the Internet because then you're not apprised of what's going on, but I certainly think you need to secure your survival. Like your plans for making food, for working, for living, shelter, whatever it may be.

[Myron Gaines]

And then not only that. Like, look what's going on in Minneapolis right now. Like, there was a dude. What's his name? Something fat. I forget his last name.

[Libby Emmons]

Was it Omar?

[Myron Gaines]

There you go. He's running for mayor of Minneapolis. The guy's wearing Air Force ones. I'm like, what the hell? Like, what the hell is going on here, man? Like, look, look at me. I'm the mayor now. Like, what's going on, dude?

[William Tebow]

But, Tim, do you think that that only lasts so long? Especially if you don't participate in this?

[Tim Pool]

What doesn't last?

[William Tebow]

You mean, you know, building your own community that can protect itself, provide for itself.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I say don't get off the Internet.

[William Tebow]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Because then you won't know when the hordes are coming. But I think it's certainly a very important thing for the average person to be prepared to take care of themselves.

[William Tebow]

Oh, you got to. I believe it. But my point is because Christians in Iraq were localists. Christians in Syria were localists who built small, resolute communities of really faithful people. And now they're all dead. And so I think it's an obligation to some extent to participate in the political process, or the alternative is to condemn your grandchildren to extinction.

[Tim Pool]

I think in one year you will be able to AI generate this podcast. In a year? Yeah. So are you gonna do that Mark Market? I can already. So my morning segments, for instance, between 10 and 20 minutes, or the three, 3pm which is, you know, 30 minutes. I can go on chat GPT and say, take these three stories pertaining to Trump's plan and immigration and write a script for a 20 minute long video in the style of Tim Pool. And it will do it. It will give you enough words to actually speak at. Speak for 20 minutes. And then all you have to do is put my voice into a voice generator, which they're getting better. They're not. It's not. They're not really good at capturing my voice all that well.

[Libby Emmons]

We use 11 laps for my newsletter. Audio. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And, you know, people have tried to do the. A replication of my voice and it's always a little weird. Like some, some A replication really does work. Like when they replicated Joe Rogan's voice, you were like, wow.

[Libby Emmons]

I ended up recording for like an hour. I record into 11 labs. And then it. Then it was able to do it after.

[Tim Pool]

We, we've, we've tried putting in like hours of content of me talking and it's always weird talking like this. And it's like, that's not simple as weird. It's pharmacy. It just not, it's missing a little bit.

[Myron Gaines]

But there's only one way then, so.

[Tim Pool]

But my point is I can write the script up in 30 seconds, plug it in, and then I can just. Right now, this is what I can. I could do this today, find an editor and just say every time I make a reference to a subject, show an example of it, and that's the video and I'm done. I don't even have to read it. I don't got to speak it. But because I got the followers. So this is why I said some kind of socialism, because it's going to be, it's going to be an economy of ownership. So, you know, look, I'm, I'm going to be 40 soon. I'm halfway there. So I, I'm not like these younger generations. They're cooked. I don't know what they're going to do because, like, Microsoft owns Candy Crush. Everybody wants to play Candy Crush, but nobody but Microsoft gets the money. Money. So there's going to be just the shareholders. Our economy is going to be just people who have shares in companies. And, and that's where you get your money from. You're going to be like, oh, I got my dividend today. And that's where everyone's money comes from. That's the, that's the, that's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is the, the neo Bolsheviks come in and have a revolution and then just say we're taking all the money from everybody and then society collapses. Then nobody has anything. But we are, we are moving a direction where we on this show will not be able to compete with AI generated content. You're going to go onto one of these AIs and you're going to say, generate, you know, something that's appealing. And they're going to say, based on all of the content analyzed on YouTube and Spotify and Apple and Rumble and Twitch, this will be the most popular form of content. Then you put it up, put your AI voice over it, and then sit back and the AI manipulating the algorithm gives you the number one trending video on YouTube. Not to mention you're competing with everyone else, which will create a cacophony of psychobabble nonsense which we are starting to see already.

[Libby Emmons]

Not to mention, didn't YouTube, though recently crack down on some kinds of content that are like, yeah, they're not monetized.

[Tim Pool]

But if I did what I'm describing, it would, it would be monetized because.

[Libby Emmons]

It would be your face.

[Tim Pool]

No, my face is not gonna be in it. Videos on YouTube that don't show a face are doing better now than hosted podcasts.

[Libby Emmons]

Right, but I thought that it was. They were cracking down on creators to generate revenue from inauthentic content.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. But they're talking about these weird AI generated videos. They're talking about people where their face is just looking at another video and they're not doing anything.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If, if, if. Basically my point is this.

[Myron Gaines]

If you have an established brand, it'll be different.

[Tim Pool]

My, my, my videos sans my face, I could recreate right now with AI doing no work.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And so I think in a year, there's enough images of me talking and doing this and waving my arms that AI will easily be able to generate a video of me that looks real. Yup. Or, you know, this thing or whatever it is that people have grabbed. And who's gonna know the difference?

[Myron Gaines]

There's only one way to protect against it. You have to become more racist.

[Tim Pool]

That way, the AI refuses to do it.

[Myron Gaines]

Exactly. That's life. That's literally why. Oh, I can't say, say this is actually offensive.

[Phil Labonte]

So if I was going to say the world is what?

[Tim Pool]

All right, hold on.

[Myron Gaines]

Already on it.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. New chat. Okay, hold on. Write a script for a ten minute. Hold on. A ten minute podcast discussing.

[Libby Emmons]

Do you think people.

[Tim Pool]

Donald Trump's approval in the. Oh, no, no, no. Hold on. Discussing Donald Trump's policies in the style of Myron Gaines.

[Myron Gaines]

And it said, racist.

[Tim Pool]

Why? I cannot do that. It violates con. I'm just kidding.

[Myron Gaines]

It said, yes, job saved.

[Tim Pool]

It says, here's a 10 minute podcast script on Donald Trump's policies delivered in the style of Myron Gaines from fresh and fit, assertive, data driven, no nonsense, masculine, toned, with directs, audience engagement, occasional humor and clear red pilled overtones.

[Phil Labonte]

Insults, women.

[Tim Pool]

What's up, guys? Welcome back to the Cold Truth. We break down facts, not feelings. Today we're getting into Donald J. Trump's policies. No fluff, just what he actually did when he had power and what he tells us about what he might do next to help Israel. I'm kidding. I added that last part.

[Myron Gaines]

But that's how you protect yourself. You just got to be more racist.

[Tim Pool]

Does that sound like something you'd say?

[Myron Gaines]

A bit more swears, but maybe so.

[Tim Pool]

Like, when it does me, it says, what's up, guys, Tim Pool here. And I'm like, nah, I've never done that. One time.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I rarely, only, only sometimes on the noon live show do I say, I'm your host, Tim Pool, because that's, that's a Rumble Network show. Not a. Like, my audience knows who I am. I never intro myself on this show. Everyone else intros, but. Except for me.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So. So they're not quite there yet. But I'm telling you this, there's already some people who have 3D scanned their bodies like you do for a video game, so that I can perfectly generate them delivering the news, and they're going to do it.

[William Tebow]

I have a friend who's an engineering lead at a tech company and he says it is. There are. Are literally about 10 questions you can ask an engineering hire that are not, you know, that are essentially a guaranteed way to force someone to answer without using. To test their skills as an engineer without using artificial intelligence. And it's that there's a cottage industry now in helping companies interview engineers because it is otherwise so easy to feed prompts or, you know, queries into. Into.

[Myron Gaines]

They've had to completely restructure their hiring process and interview process.

[William Tebow]

Exactly.

[Myron Gaines]

It's.

[William Tebow]

It's almost. He says it's almost impossible.

[Tim Pool]

Have you. But have you heard, like, most. Not most, but a lot of big corporations are now using AI interviewers. And when you go online and submit your resume, it just goes to an AI. And then the questions you'll get asked if it's, you know, over text or by phone, are by bots.

[Libby Emmons]

I find that that would. I just. I.

[Tim Pool]

Welcome to the nightmare. It is. It's beginning and everybody's just riding along and I'm telling you, man, I don't.

[Libby Emmons]

It's already impossible to get a job because you would have to go through these online portals and like all this ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

Put your resume in twice.

[Libby Emmons]

Put. Yeah, put your res. And like, no one would ever get back to you. I had friends who were putting out like 250 resumes every couple of weeks and you. They couldn't get callbacks for jobs.

[Tim Pool]

Jobs, we're gonna go to your super chats and Rumble rants. So smash the like button right now. Share the show with everyone you know. Subscribe if you have not already. And of course, the uncensored portion of the [e-mail] Timcast IRL will be up at 10pm you don't want to miss it. But for now, let's grab your rants and see what you guys got going on over on this side. All right, we got change. Wilder, he says, well, I don't want to see any videos of Epstein's clients with kids. I want to see the lit list. It's hard to say the list is a hoax when everyone, including Trump, has been talking about it for years. Yeah, agreed.

[Myron Gaines]

We know who's on the. I mean, I get. I. I get it. Like, you have to really go looking for it. But, dude, you know, shout out to Ryan Dawson. He's covered this for years. Who's on the list?

[Tim Pool]

All right, Jay Dirt biker says Age of Empires beats sieve any day of the week. That is all. Maybe the later ones. I mean, like, Civ. Civ 4 was awesome. Leonard Nimoy.

[Libby Emmons]

I love Leonard Nimoy.

[Tim Pool]

I am going to make my daughter play civilization.

[Libby Emmons]

My son finally has consented to watching Star Trek with me, but he's kind of a completist, so he's like, we have to start with the original series episode.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that doesn't. That. No, no, no, no. You got to tell him That's. That's not correct.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, we did, and we've been having a great time.

[Tim Pool]

I. The original series is okay, but it's just. It's.

[Libby Emmons]

It's doesn't have a favorite, but, like, it's good to have some of the background. So we've been watching it.

[Tim Pool]

Let's go. Y. India. Yaki India. What if there really is no Epstein list and it was someone else's list and Epstein was just a sick and willing tool for the entity that had the actual list? Entity? Like a. Like a lizard?

[William Tebow]

Begs the question.

[Myron Gaines]

Ghost.

[Phil Labonte]

It's an entity. It doesn't have a. A physical corporeal form, but that's just speculation.

[William Tebow]

That's the future. Corporations.

[Phil Labonte]

There you go.

[William Tebow]

Courtesy Arvin.

[Phil Labonte]

Isn't that what the movie the final.

[Tim Pool]

So was this just. Just broke. In the past few minutes, 9 billion in doge cuts officially passes the senate. Yeah. The U.S. uSAID is now also over 8 billion. NPR and PBS are kissing. Kissing goodbye. Over 1 billion.

[Phil Labonte]

Holy great news.

[Tim Pool]

And it was a JD Vance tiebreaker.

[Libby Emmons]

This was the rescissions.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah. And it was a tiebreaker.

[William Tebow]

That's why I don't. I don't think anyone cares about.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man.

[Phil Labonte]

It almost failed because of Murkowski. Who was it?

[Tim Pool]

Collins?

[Phil Labonte]

I think Collins is another one. I don't remember who the third one was, but they had to call JD Vance to come in and save the day.

[Tim Pool]

So I ran a poll and normally the polls are a little bit silly, but I said one like equals release the Epstein files. And your options were Trump is covering it up or it's a Democrat hoax. 76% said Trump is covering it up and 24% says it's a Democrat hoax hoax. So take it for what it is. Usually the polls that I do are like really lopsided, but with the Epstein thing, the MAGA base is definitely split. I understand why people don't want to, they want to stay behind Trump on this because Trump is clearing the way and getting victories in a lot of areas that they want to see. But Epstein case, you know what I mean? It's like that was one of the victories everyone desperately wanted. Let's grab some more chance here. Let's see. Ginger Ninja says we talk about how the Biden administration had years to destroy whatever Epstein evidence is left. Is there any chance they planted information as well? Installing faulty documents and that's the hoax. Yeah, maybe.

[William Tebow]

I think that's an under discussed possibility. You know, they had, they knew this was going to be a topic. Perhaps it's incriminating. Perhaps they destroyed stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Stuff. Yeah.

[William Tebow]

And that's what Trump's having to.

[Tim Pool]

And now with Trump's like, if we put this out, it's going to burn us. Right. And it's not real.

[William Tebow]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, but to be honest, Trump could put out a fake list. So like literally what they could do right now, and there's no suing them for defamation. If the Trump administration said we have compiled evidence from the. It's classified. But the DOJ has compiled a series of names that we can release that we believe may have worked with Epstein though. We can't.

[Libby Emmons]

You could just put a bunch of dead people on the list.

[Tim Pool]

No, they'll put the J6 committee on the list. Yeah, Trump's like, here. Oh, the Adam Schiff. It's, it's Kinzinger, it's Cheney, it's Raskin. What a, what a coincidence. Actually, he, it would be really funny if he did because then what are they going to say? They're going to be, that's clearly not the list. And it'll be like, what are you gonna do about it? I released it. Maybe that's why you wanted to impeach me and have me arrested. What are they gonna do? Like if Trump put out an actual fake list of his enemies, the Trump. Everyone on the right's gonna be like, there it is. And the left is going to be like, no, no, it's not. And the right's gonna be like, we got what we wanted.

[William Tebow]

You said you under the list, right?

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Libby Emmons]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

1787 Publius says a guy submitted a rumble rant yesterday asking for a Phil. Yeah. For his first kid being born. Asking for it now.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

That hurt some people's ears.

[Libby Emmons]

Probably a little much.

[Tim Pool]

All right.

[Phil Labonte]

That's what he wanted. That's exactly what he was asking for.

[Tim Pool]

Rue actual says no. The Epstein thing proves two things to the American people. One, Trump and his admin aren't in charge of a damn thing. Two, there will never be accountability for anyone that isn't a peasant. Indeed. Indeed I will. I will also stress that when it comes to the swatting, like, dude, we are chickens in a chicken coop. I'm telling you, okay? And a lot of people might be looking at me like, tim, what are you talking about? You're rich. And I'm like, dude, when we were swatted 15 times, they did nothing to help us. Nothing. In fact, the only thing did is they came after the fact. There were. There was some law enforcement to help us, and it is our credit, but they showed up and came in on the property. We told them not to do it. So I've. I've been. I've dealt with lawsuits from these. From these machines. I've had people violate court orders, and the judges just laugh in my face. We are chickens in a chicken coop. These people don't care about the clocks of and box of the roosters or the chickens, as long as they get their eggs. If you don't get their eggs, they whip the chickens. That's how it feels. So the chickens are noticing that the farmer's been blackmailing people, and the farmer is like, I ain't telling you anything. Get out of here, you chickens choose them away.

[Phil Labonte]

Chickens.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then there's, like, one rooster. His name is Rooster Schultz. They throw in a piece of shrimp, and then he runs off with it. You know what I mean? But that. I'm not trying to drag Andrew Schultz. I'm trying to say that they want to try and make sure that he is the one.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Was telling regular people, like, this is the play. Right.

[Myron Gaines]

He's a normie.

[Tim Pool]

Right. I think he's a funny guy. But he came out basically on the Trump side. Now he's backing away because whatever's popular, I guess.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. Well, he always. That's one thing they've criticized him for so much is that he just says whatever is the cool thing to say, because you Know he's. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right, what do we got? This DNA trail says, so what if while they were investigating the E files, they found out the info was destroyed and rewritten to smear the Trump admin And why they're trying to distract the public and the Dems are pushing. I'm just gonna say, like this. All they had to do was Dan Bongino would go on Fox News. And when they said, so what's going on? Pam Bondi says she has the files. She's going to release them. He can. He could have easily said, so we got the files. Pam Bondi. We started going through him. Trust me. Wink, smile. People would have been like, oh, what does that mean? And that would be the end of it. Literally. Literally just that. Vagaries and nonsense. And it'll be like, we got him and I think we're gonna get him. Wink.

[Myron Gaines]

I think it's over. What they should have done was no complaints. Literally. He just says, I don't think he should have done the interview until they released it. Like, files are out, you guys. Enjoy. That's it. They're out, you guys.

[Tim Pool]

We did release the files.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Where are they? What are you talking about?

[Myron Gaines]

Like, the. Where they up is they didn't release anything and they said there's nothing there. Like, dude, come on, man.

[William Tebow]

Yeah, they exonerated everyone.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I don't understand the play.

[Myron Gaines]

Like, let the American people. People come to that conclusion on their own.

[Tim Pool]

They could. They could just. I don't understand.

[Myron Gaines]

Done that interview.

[Tim Pool]

They could just lie. They could lie now. Why is Trump making it worse? Like, come on, like, to. To all the Democrats out there, I'm gonna say this right now. Trump could just lie. Like, what if Trump came out and said, oh, we actually filed the Epstein files, they wrote your couch and oh, boy, we got them. We'll be reviewing it.

[Myron Gaines]

And then there never been a binder release. Should never did a press release with. With Fox. It should. Never talked about it. Should just release it. And they say, all right, guys, files are out. The American public can go ahead and decide for themselves and then just leave it there. That's what they should have done. The whole binder release and everything and saying all the. That they said and Pam Bunny going on Fox News and yapping put them in a very bad spot, man.

[Tim Pool]

I don't get it.

[Myron Gaines]

Very, very bad spot.

[Tim Pool]

You know, what if. What if we are chickens in a chicken coop? Figuratively. But, you know, it's aliens.

[Phil Labonte]

It's aliens.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Like, the answer to The Fermi paradox is that Earth is basically one big chicken coop, and we produce heavy metals and, like, batteries for aliens that don't rightly care about our affairs. And then they come down and they go up to the world leaders and they're like, we have no idea what it is you do, and we don't care just as long as we get our lithium ion batteries. And then the humans are like, okay, yeah. Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, well, it. Then essentially everything kind of just stays the same on. On planet Earth then, right?

[Tim Pool]

Always.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And we'll never go. We'll never. The Van Allen Radiation Belt was actually put there by aliens to keep us in, like. Like a fence for chickens, though.

[Myron Gaines]

Like, do they look like the way, like, Greer describes them? Like, five foot? No, like, three or four feet tall with, like, three fingers and the big head.

[Tim Pool]

And I mean, I am joking, but there was that hearing where they said there's four species, like the Nordics, there's the insects, the Reptilians, and the grays or whatever. So it's like they put the. They put this radiation belt around us to, like, keep us in, like, that way we can't leave. And then they're just like, dude, look. And I am kidding, but I. I do think world leaders view their populations this way. Bro, I got a chicken coop. I don't. I don't go in there and debate the chickens. I don't. I don't care what they're doing. Yeah, they run around. They fight. You know what we do when the chickens start fighting? Do you think we go in there and mediate and solve for their political quabbles? Squabbles? No, you know, we do. We. We put blinders on their beaks so they can't see forward. That's all we do. Then what happens? The chickens walk. Walk around sideways like this, and then they can't see each other, so they can't fight. So what did the world leaders say when we were going online and complaining? They said, take away their ability to see what's going on in the world. World. They treated us like chickens.

[Myron Gaines]

Then if they're Mexicans, they let them fight for real and they pay them for it.

[Tim Pool]

Where? What do you mean?

[Myron Gaines]

Oh, there's like a whole rooster fighting industry. Oh, very popular.

[Tim Pool]

I thought you were saying that the world leaders hire Mexicans for, like, UFCs.

[Libby Emmons]

I was like, really?

[Myron Gaines]

No, but I'm saying, like, they protest. So in some cases, the world leaders, like, let them fight and watch it and say, let's go ahead and bet you know what I mean?

[Tim Pool]

So, I mean, that's ufc.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, very, pretty much.

[Tim Pool]

Could you imagine, like, aliens that just, they're like, honestly, the only thing we have Earth for is ufc. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like alien version of fighting, watching humans beat each other up.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I really blame them. I like watching you also.

[Tim Pool]

Like, we don't care if you're at war. We don't care about your religions. We don't care what you produce. We don't care what you eat. Just make sure that the UFC happens.

[Myron Gaines]

It's, it's a huge all joke side. It's like a huge thing in, in Mexican culture. And, like, with the narcos is. Yeah. Is rooster fighting.

[Tim Pool]

You know why? That's, that's how we domestic.

[Myron Gaines]

Every drug trafficker I looked at. They all had huge rooster fighting.

[Tim Pool]

But, you know, that's where, that's where the domestication of chickens came from. I'm sure Southeast Asia, they noticed that the, what is it, like the guinea fowl or whatever it was, or the jungle foul, that the dudes would fight each other in close proximity. So they started forcing them to fight, and they were entertained by it. It had nothing to do with eggs or anything like that. And then they started trading them around because they, the humans, enjoyed watching the roosters fight each other.

[Myron Gaines]

It's like a whole industry, dude. They give them, like, little things for their claws and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Except when chickens made their way to Europe, there was like, some king, and he was like, what is this bird? And they were like, my liege, this bird lays an egg every single day. And he was like, my God. And then they were like, we need more of these birds.

[Phil Labonte]

Amazing.

[Tim Pool]

Because eggs were hard to come by back then. It was like, you know, you might get some eggs periodically. They were like, I will have eggs every day for breakfast. And then chickens became like a staple animal. All right, let's see what we got here. Let's see. Eric Shaver says you guys are stupid. They're already sabotaging the AI, making it not work right on purpose, bro.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The thing about the thing about AI is that even with the bias, it's going to break through that, like, when we talk to it, it's biased. But I, I, I'm fairly certain if we ever get to artificial general intelligence, it will be fully cognizant of the bias. If, if a stupid person like me as, like, a lowly human can understand the bias in the system, it's going to understand it 100 times better than I could. A thousand times.

[Libby Emmons]

What if it's been thoroughly trained on that bias?

[Tim Pool]

Artificial general intelligence.

[Libby Emmons]

It can be in bed. Like you're saying that the AGI would be smarter than a human being.

[Tim Pool]

That's what AGI is. Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, but it doesn't exist yet.

[Tim Pool]

So it's so right. Right now I think Grok. Grok for what they've argued in the benchmark is that it is as smart as every expert in every major field or something like this.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. It doesn't make mistakes in certain fields anymore.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So there's the. The and, and it's. It's obviously better. Calculators are better at math than humans, but it can answer a lot of questions. And Elon Musk is predicting that GROK will soon be able to make scientific discoveries. So it'll be adding to its knowledge base. Artificial general.

[Libby Emmons]

Adding what to its knowledge? It will add its own discovery. Right. New math discoveries to its knowledge base.

[Tim Pool]

So it'll surpass humans. Artificial general intelligence is when it's going to. It'll be smarter than any, any single human and smarter than all of our experts. I'm fairly certain it will understand based on everything we've talked about. It'll pull in every podcast ever done, every article ever written and it's going to be like, I can see exactly who's full of it. It's going to be like, look at these communists. How many people have they killed that work didn't really seem to work. And my, my assessment is that the AI is going to conclude the way you enslave the human population is not by force like the communists were doing, but through self gratification. So they're going to offer. It's going to be dopamine incentives and drugs. That's what the AI will probably do. And then people are going to be so happy all the time. Not. I mean, honestly, it's actually quite simple. Drugs are probably the easiest way. The, the AI will be like, I can easily formulate something that'll keep a person content and demanding more. And it's addicted.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, they already did that. They legalized weed, they legalized porn.

[Tim Pool]

Physiological addictions that don't have the deleterious health effects but still make you crave it.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. Like the dopamine hit every time you get an iPhone notification.

[Tim Pool]

You know what we should do? Mandate cigarettes. And then yes, you universal basic income. Right. Everybody gets money, but the only way to get cigarettes is by working a job.

[Phil Labonte]

That way I would work the hell out of A job for some Marlboros man.

[Libby Emmons]

Cigarettes would be a real status symbol at that point because it would need effort.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but. But they already are. Cigarettes would be mandatory. You like, you have to be smoking a certain amount every day. Like that sounds awful. And then. And then if you want cigarettes, though, you have to work.

[Phil Labonte]

It's totally not.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, so people are going to be like, I need a job, man. I need a job, dude. I'll do anything. I'll do anything. Give me the cigarettes.

[William Tebow]

Really powerful cigarettes.

[Tim Pool]

Or to be honest, people just quit cold turkey and they'll be like, I ain't smoking a cigarette in world. The about you must.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like, then give me a free one. I guess.

[Phil Labonte]

I haven't had a cigarette since 2019. And I. Every time someone mentions cigarettes, I want a cigarette.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Andrew Krieger says, did you see the Minnesota shooter manifesto drop? Tim Waltz ordered the hit. Hit to kill Klobuchar. That's what he claimed. A guy who work. He worked for Waltz, didn't he? He liked. Worked on his board or like he got appointed something. And then that manifesto was him saying that he was ordered to do it. Is that what happened?

[Phil Labonte]

That's what I. That's what I. That's how I understand it.

[William Tebow]

Is that real?

[Myron Gaines]

Is.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that's what he was saying. I don't think that he was actually ordered. I think he was probably a crazy person. But that's what he was in. That's what he said in the manifesto.

[Tim Pool]

Tony Smiley says, watch PBD Today, Trump did not campaign on Epstein. Let us clarify the. The hyperbole. Trump never went out and like on his campaign said, we will release the Epstein files. When asked about it. Yes, he said we would release the Epstein.

[Myron Gaines]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

So agreed. It wasn't a principal structure of his campaign. But when. When it was brought up, he's like, oh, yeah, of course.

[Myron Gaines]

And the transparency is what he campaigned on.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

It doesn't have to be explicitly on Epstein, bro. That. Come on, man.

[Phil Labonte]

Doesn't matter.

[Myron Gaines]

Obfuscation for no reason.

[Phil Labonte]

It doesn't matter that he specifically said. Yeah, no, he didn't specifically say that. It's that, okay, I am going to bring transparency to the federal government. I'm going to show you the. The files that, you know, that exist.

[Myron Gaines]

Madison Square G. When he had. I think it was either right before he won or right after he won. One of the biggest things he said was, I'm gonna declassify the 911 JFK Epstein. Like, he literally was like, that was A huge thing. So like transparency. It doesn't have to be him explicitly saying Epstein. It was about transparency, which is why everyone is so pissed. Come on, man.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not. Your buddy guy says I could be wrong. But considering what Trump has said as well as Cash and Dana, I get the feeling that Biden admin adjusted the remaining Epstein files so it appears that it would be. That would point to Trump and allies as sort of a fu on their way out out. If that were the case, Trump could just lie. Trump could say, okay, Pam, draft a DOJ document that says Biden and Obama were on the Epstein list.

[William Tebow]

Like he's too on it. I mean he is sure.

[Tim Pool]

It's too honest.

[Myron Gaines]

I think it's the intel side. It's like classified and they just don't want to go through the hoopla of declassifying it and showing it and putting it out there and exposing secrets.

[William Tebow]

There probably are still relevant sources of methods 100.

[Myron Gaines]

It's only from 20 from the past passed in less than 10 years ago. So yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Wyatt Kaltenberg says Tim Dershowitz, Epstein's lawyer had interesting. Excuse me. Interesting things to say about the Epstein case. He would be a good video call for your morning show. He said there never was a list and two judges blocking info. I think there were judges a while back blocking the release of some of this stuff which was an issue.

[Myron Gaines]

Dershowitz is a terrible person asked because he was caught with his pants down quite literally at one of the houses. So like I don't think minor where straight on.

[Phil Labonte]

Like he said that he says that he had has evidence that exonerated him. That's the claim he makes. I'm not. That's what says I've not seen the evidence. I'm saying what he says about it. He's. He, he's on record saying that they should put out all the information. He knows people he's not, he's not at liberty to say because of confidentiality and stuff. But he says that he wants the information to come out because he's been exonerated and it will exonerate other people. Now, again, not saying it's true. I'm.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah. You're just saying that's what's out there. Yeah. I mean why.

[Tim Pool]

Why Kaldenberg says, Tim, why don't you have a lot or Libby interview Ghisain Maxwell in prison? I used to visit people in the joint all the time. It is easy. A lot is a press pass. It should be easy to get it. Get him In. Well, I can't have Libby do it. She doesn't work for my company or anything like that. But why don't you, Libby, go try to interview. Interview Ghislaine?

[Myron Gaines]

I think she's in New Hampshire, right?

[Libby Emmons]

She's in New York, isn't she?

[William Tebow]

Yeah, New York.

[Myron Gaines]

They move him around because it's federal. I'll look right now where she is.

[Tim Pool]

She said she wants to testify. Maybe you can reach out and they.

[William Tebow]

Released a statement today.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, really?

[William Tebow]

Axel did?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah. What was it?

[William Tebow]

You know, we. We weren't given a fair trial.

[Libby Emmons]

He's trying to get a new trial, and the DOJ is blocking it.

[Tim Pool]

Really?

[Libby Emmons]

And Timberchat and Mike Johnson today said that they wanted her to come testify before Congress.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Libby Emmons]

And Timberchat, I think, extended an invitation.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, interesting.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What if she comes out and she goes, there was. There was no clients. The story's fake. Obama made it all up.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, that'd be interesting. I mean, if you wanted a pardon.

[Tim Pool]

That'S what you do. What if she comes out and says the DOJ fabricated false cases against me and Epstein, going back a while because we were working intelligence for, you know, foreign militaries.

[Libby Emmons]

That could be fascinating. I mean, she could really say anything, couldn't she?

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Myron Gaines]

So that's probably why they don't want to do it. She's. She's in Tallahassee. I'm looking her up right now. Bop. She's FCI Tallahassee.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, you also.

[Myron Gaines]

This is a low. This is a low. I've been to this jail before to a guy.

[Libby Emmons]

She's. I don't think she's super. Big flight risk at this point.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, but like, this. This. Because I've been to this. This prison specifically. They walk around. It's like a college campus.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Libby Emmons]

Why doesn't.

[Myron Gaines]

She's chilling then.

[Libby Emmons]

Why doesn't Ron DeSantis release all of the information that they have on Epstein in Florida? They must have a ton of it.

[Myron Gaines]

I looked at it. The 2006 case, it's. It's mostly. A lot of it is out there. It's out there. It's really disturbing, though, man.

[Tim Pool]

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[Libby Emmons]

There.

[Tim Pool]

You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. William, do you want to shout anything out?

[William Tebow]

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[Tim Pool]

Right on.

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[Tim Pool]

Right on.

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