Trump Calls For NUCLEAR OPTION, END Filibuster Over Food Stamp Crisis w/ Roger Simon

Summary

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Timcast IRL – Trump Calls For NUCLEAR OPTION, END Filibuster Over Food Stamp Crisis w/ Roger Simon

Date: November 1, 2025
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Guests: Roger Simon, Seamus Coughlin, Ian Crossland

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Episode Overview

This episode features an in-depth discussion of Donald Trump’s explosive call to end the Senate filibuster (“go nuclear”) amidst a dramatic government shutdown that’s left millions facing a lapse in SNAP/food stamp benefits. Host Tim Pool is joined by writer and commentator Roger Simon, FreedomToons creator Seamus Coughlin, and regular co-host Ian Crossland. They debate the political crisis, court-packing, social welfare, illegal immigration, and the coming AI deepfake information apocalypse, all with Timcast’s signature blend of irreverent humor and apocalyptic seriousness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s “Nuclear Option” – Ending the Senate Filibuster

• The News (06:26): Trump urges the GOP to end the filibuster to quickly reopen the government and restore SNAP benefits, blaming Republican inertia. Tim summarizes Trump’s stance:

  “Get rid of the filibuster and get rid of it now...”

• Filibuster Deep Dive (08:22): The panel explains how the filibuster currently works (de facto 60-vote threshold, altered from the “talking filibuster”).
• Political Courage & Accountability:
  • Tim and Roger argue that keeping filibuster rules is a tool for politicians to avoid action, making the parties less accountable to their promises.
  • “Obamacare should be repealed. We have the majority now and they won’t do it.” (13:34, Tim)

2. SNAP/Food Stamps: Abuse, Reform & Societal Impact

• Scale of the Program (09:02): 42 million on SNAP—questions about scale, fraud, and quality of nutrition.
• Personal Experience – Welfare Traps (12:27, Ian): Ian reflects on how benefits disincentivize work due to quick loss of assistance, entrenching dependency.
• Nutrition Restrictions:
  • “Maybe Snap shouldn’t pay for junk food ... you want to dehumanize the poor by not letting them buy Coca Cola and Twinkies?” (11:01, Seamus)
• Legends of EBT:
  • “You know what we used to eat in my neighborhood? ... Happy: Kool Aid pack and sugar in a bag. That’s what you need EBT for—diabetes.” (11:35, Tim)

3. Political Tit-for-Tat: Court Packing & Senate Reform

• Potential GOP Moves:
  • Tim suggests: end the filibuster → pack the courts → add new states.
  • “And Trump should appoint them all.” (07:55, Tim)
• Debate on State Representation:
  • The panel critiques how the Senate, meant to represent states, now obeys centralized party interest.
  • “The Senate is fantastic... but the moves of the uniparty have been to erode the states as political entities...” (15:45, Tim)

4. Illegal Immigration, Federal Force & National Identity

• Defining Federal Power:
  • Should ICE and federal police permanently patrol to enforce immigration law?
  • “I want every single factory with large numbers of illegal immigrants working there to get raided... forever.” (18:04, Tim)
• Dangers of Overreach (Ian):
  • “What if it goes beyond immigrants? … The evolution of totalitarianism.” (18:10)
• Humor & Sarcasm:
  • “Maybe if they look like they're illegal!” (17:48, Tim, sarcastic as the panel riffs)
• Personal Admission:
  • Roger Simon admits to hiring illegal immigrants in the past, reflecting common real-world complexity.

5. Refugees & Race – The South African Controversy

• Trump’s New Refugee Cap:
  • 7,500 annual cap, with priority for white South African Afrikaners (22:50).
  • The panel discusses the double standard accusations: if refugees are white, it’s called racist.

6. Liberalism, Moral Authority & Historical Revisionism

• Limits of Classical Liberalism (25:57, Tim):
  • Argues liberalism only works with a virtuous, brave population willing to defend their values.
  • Critique of conservative passivity letting the culture slip.
• History & Morality:
  • The panel debates if past conquerors would fit in today’s moral landscape. “If you took an American conservative and put him in an arena with a European from 1,000 years ago, ... they'd say, 'What do you mean you don’t slit the throats of anyone who crosses you?'” (31:18, Tim)

7. Communism, Human Nature, and Resource Scarcity

• Does Communism “Work”?
  • Heated debate (38:03–48:34) about the impossibility of communism at scale due to resource fluctuations, human self-interest, and historical failure.
  • “Communism cannot work because fluctuations in economics is a 100% guarantee. There will always be a circumstance where the food amount will reach equilibrium... and a starving man will say: I will kill you to feed my daughter.” (45:30, Tim)
• Memes & Humor:
  • “What would your job be after the communist revolution?” “Anti-communist guerilla fighter.” (41:16, Seamus)

8. AI, Deepfakes & The Collapse of Trust

• Betting on Trump’s Words (51:12):
  • Polymarket meme: bets on whether Trump will say “the N word”—the panel calls out absurdity and misleading framing; reminds listeners this refers to “N-word”/“nuclear.”
• AI Deepfake Worries (54:17):
  • “The midterms are going to be the wildest we’ve ever seen. You’re going to see videos of members of Congress...something kind of bad but believable.” (54:17, Tim)
• AI & Entertainment (64:25+):
  • Seamus and Roger speak at length about creative labor, the risks of AI replacing artists, and why keeping humans involved matters for culture and values.
  • “If AI becomes integrated into animation, what I would like is a system where AI does the mind-numbing busywork...but the creative work is done by humans.” (61:47, Seamus)
• Roger’s Experience:
  • “I had ChatGPT read my new novel...and it said: cover by ChatGPT and Roger Simon. I don't want to do this. I got terrified. I went out and hired a human being.” (62:25)

9. Black Lives Matter Fraud Investigation

• New DOJ Probe (67:42):
  • The panel covers fraud allegations against the BLM Global Network Foundation.
  • Asserts most consequences depend on jurisdiction—blue districts may acquit regardless of evidence.
• Cynicism About Outcomes:
  • “If they don’t bring the case in a conservative district, it doesn’t matter.” (70:04, Tim)

10. Jury System, Populism, and Justice

• Democracy & Judicial Outcomes (92:32–99:02):
  • Tim proposes, only half-jokingly, nationwide crowdsourced jury verdicts and critiques traditional jury ignorance.
  • Roger: “I have been on jury duty in LA ... the level of discussion ... is like, you want to run screaming from the room.” (84:47)
  • Discussion of how emotional manipulation, not fact or law, often drives verdicts.
• Populism & Moral Certainty:
  • Tim predicts cultural lionizing of controversial figures (“Luigi Mangione”) amid societal breakdown.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Political Hypocrisy and Inaction:

• “Obamacare should be repealed. We have the majority now and they won’t do it.” —Tim Pool (13:34)

On SNAP and Welfare Abuse:

• “You're not even asking as a metaphor. Bad thing happens. Are you serious? Like, how long?” —Tim Pool, challenging Ian's hypotheticals about policing and brutality (18:37)

On Immigration Enforcement:

• “I want every single factory with large numbers of illegal immigrants working there to get raided the moment [it’s discovered].” —Tim Pool (18:04)

On Classical Liberalism

• “Liberalism has been disproven at this point...It’s short-lived. It can only last so long until a people become amoral and lacking virtue.” —Tim Pool (25:57)

On Communism’s Practical Limits:

• “Communism cannot work because fluctuations in economics is a 100% guarantee... a starving man will say, ‘I will kill you to feed my daughter.’” —Tim Pool (45:30)

On AI and Deepfakes:

• “Any video that comes out of Trump saying something nasty? He can be like ah, the kids are playing.” —Tim Pool (57:27)

On Culture & Entertainment Wars:

• “The way people get their values is through story, it’s through entertainment...for decades all of the entertainment media in this country has been dominated by people who hate Christianity...we are trying to push back.” —Seamus Coughlin (35:42)

On AI/Creativity Tension:

• “I got terrified by it...I went out and hired a human being.” —Roger Simon on AI book covers (62:55)

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Key Timestamps

• Filibuster Discussion: 06:26–15:23
• SNAP/Food Stamps: 09:06–13:09
• Court Packing & Senate Reform: 13:19–15:19
• Immigration & Federal Overreach: 15:55–21:17
• Refugee Priorities/Race: 22:50–25:10
• Liberalism, Morality, Decline: 25:57–32:33
• Communism Debate: 38:03–48:34
• AI, Deepfake Politics: 51:12–64:25
• BLM Fraud Probe: 67:42–73:25
• Jury/Justice System Populism: 92:32–99:02

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Tone and Style

The episode is classic Timcast: fast-paced, irreverent, and openly skeptical of mainstream narratives from both left and right. The banter is light but the themes are serious—decline, division, and the potential for institutional collapse. The hosts use humor and exaggeration to underline real anxieties, embracing both blackpilled cynicism and activist optimism in turns.

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Conclusion

This Timcast IRL episode dives into a week’s worth of American chaos: a shutdown-triggered food crisis, Trump’s brash political nukes, the line between populist reform and totalitarian overreach, the deepening culture war, and a world where AI can now fake anything—all woven together with jokes and provocations.

If you want a window into the unfiltered, independent-right populist view on modern U.S. politics and culture, this episode is a perfect snapshot of the moment.

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Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Donald Trump is calling on the GOP to end the filibuster so that way they can reopen the government and save everyone's SNAP benefits. There's been concerns about food riots. Democrats are blaming Republicans. Republicans, Democrats. And of course Trump has said he's going to get it done. Now some people believe that there would be some emergency move made, but by the time of recording this, we haven't seen that happen. But Trump is saying nuke the filibuster. And then what we're gonna be able to do is get these judges in. Democrats want to do it. Why don't we do it now? I gotta say I don't completely disagree, so we'll talk about that. We have some other funny stories. Polymarket actually has a market where you can predict whether or not Trump will say quote the N word. It's not a joke, but I don't think they mean the N word even though they wrote it that way. I think Trump has to say the phrase N word cuz he does when he talks about nuclear and the DOJ is investigating Black Lives Matter for fraud. How fun. We'll talk about that. Plus is a really funny story with this Democrat congresswoman who's facing federal indictment. She rage quit an interview when shown a video of her apparently committing crimes against federal officers. So that's a problem I'd have to admit she's probably worried about. Before we get into all that, we got a great sponsor. It is Bearskin, my friends. Check out baer.sk I N S K I N Slash. Tim, get your bearskin hoodie now. They are amazing hoodies. They feel really great. 340gsm micro fleece, 10 pockets. While the smart people are locking in their winter gear right now because this is hands down the best time to prep for the coming winter. Bearskin is running a 60 off deal right now, but only if you get your hoodie early. Dude, he's built like a tank. Like I said, 340gsm, 10 pockets, clean, rugged fit. It looks awesome. Plus it zips right into the heavy storm rain jacket to become 100% waterproof when you need it. So if it's cold, wet, windy, you're not scrambling at the last minute, do yourself a favor, text the word TIM to 36912 to lock in your 60% off. Again, text TIM to 36912 and you'll get a link sent straight to your phone so you can check it out later if you're busy. One more thing. We support Bearskin. You're all supporting the fallen outdoors and the Hope for the warriors veterans programs. So you're not just buying great gear, you're you're backing a cause that matters. Don't wait till you're freezing to realize your hoodie sucks. Get bare skin now while it's 60% off, text TIM to 36912. But don't forget to also go to cast brew.com using the code TURKEY20. You'll get 20% off everything. We want to make sure you get your coffee.

[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

That was very virtuous of you to acknowledge that it wouldn't necessarily give you luck.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no, of course we're bound by FTC regulation, so my friend, also don't forget, smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Roger Simon.

[Roger Simon]

Hey, great to be here, I gotta tell you that.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Roger Simon]

I'm a writer from so long I almost bored with it. No, I'm not. I really love to do it. I started writing when I was about 15 and I'm now 409.

[Tim Pool]

400. So you've seen it all.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Why didn't you do anything to stop slavery? You know, you saw what happened to those indie. You didn't do anything. You didn't write about that.

[Roger Simon]

We're near Harpers Ferry here. I was there for that.

[Tim Pool]

What are like the top very evil? He's actually the guy who alerted the feds on the train.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, the right answer would have been like, that's all made up. I was there. I saw none of that happened. It's liberal nonsense.

[Tim Pool]

There's no slavery.

[Ian Crossland]

What are some of the big things you wrote over the years? Like the top?

[Roger Simon]

Well, you know, way back, the big fix with Richard Dreyfus. And then I have my Oscar nomination for Enemies of Love Story with Angelica Houston. I wrote a bunch of Novels, including that one which Richard was in about the detective, Moses Wine. That's when I was a lefty and then I became a righty and I got kicked out of Hollywood recently. Or no, I became a righty probably on that. The day the planes hit the.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, wow.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah. I mean, that did it for me. I realized that there were people out there who wanted to kill us. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's going to be fun.

[Roger Simon]

There wasn't. Didn't take too much to figure it out.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, should be fun. Thanks for hanging out. Ian. Did you introduce yourself already or.

[Ian Crossland]

Not yet, but I am at Ian Crossland. You can find me there. Follow me on Ian Crossland, on Twitter, X, YouTube, Instagram, Seamus Coughlin in the house.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Seamus Coughlin. I'm the creator of Freedom Tunes. We've done over 600 animated videos. We have over a million subscribers and over 290 million views with $0 spent on marketing. Because people are hungry for right wing conservative content. The left currently owns all avenues for entertainment. We have the most rob technological infrastructure for telling stories that has ever existed in history with film and television. And the left owns all of it. People who hate you, who hate your family, who hate your way of life, and who have been chipping away at your culture for decades. That is why myself and my team have decided we are going to make a full length animated show. We already have the 25 minute long pilot created. You can go watch that if you Support us@ twistedplots.com we're currently crowdfunding our first season. We're very close to being 60% of the way there. We've got two, two weeks and we need your help. Go watch our pilot. You'll see that it communicates our values not through ham fisted preaching or boring monologues, but good stories and good jokes. I've got the team, I've got the experience and I've got the track record. Give me your support@ twistedplots.com I will have everything I need. We will be unstoppable. We will create a watershed show that will help to destroy the left's monopoly on entertainment.

[Tim Pool]

That was really powerful, Seamus, but it's ruined by the fact that there are two spoons sitting right behind you on that windowsill. Who would you say?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, those aren't mine. I didn't touch.

[Tim Pool]

You're correct. They're not yours.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't put them there. All right, here's the story from Fox News. Trump urges GOP to end the shutdown by going nuclear on Senate filibuster Get rid of the filibuster and get rid of it now, Trump said. Trump urged Republicans to end the filibuster in order to end the month long government shutdown. In a late night Truth Social post, Trump noted that Democrats had tried to eliminate the Senate procedure when they had control of both chambers of Congress and the White House during the Biden administration. But then Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, both of whom have since let the Democratic Party become independents, helped block the effort. Trump revived talk of the nuclear option after returning from his Asia trip this week. Quote, the one question that kept coming up, however, was how did the Democrats shut down the United States of America and why did the powerful Republicans allow them to do it? Trump wrote. The fact is, in flying back, I thought a great deal about that question. Why now he's going to say that they've got Trump derangement syndrome and all that. There were some theories that Trump would come out at the very last minute cuz snap has expired and it's not gonna happen tomorrow. He'd come out and say, I am your magnanimous leader and I have found the money for your food stamps. But it's looking like now the strategy may be, hey, they won't reopen government. We have no choice. End the filibuster. And if he does, I say pack the courts. Four more Supreme Court justices appointed by Donald Trump and then we can make greater Idaho and the state of Jefferson things. So we'll get four more senators. What say you, pal?

[Ian Crossland]

I think we need 11 more or 12 more judges. Personally, we need a big.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely right. And Trump should appoint them all.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know about that.

[Roger Simon]

Are you looking for a job?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I'm open. Just don't like putting it all in the hands of nine people. What were you gonna say?

[Roger Simon]

I wouldn't mind being on the Supreme Court.

[Ian Crossland]

You'd be good at it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I mean, yeah, why not try?

[Tim Pool]

Since they brought on Kataji Brown Jackson, the bar could not be lower. In fact, it's underground.

[Ian Crossland]

So this they want to end. Like the idea of the filibuster, like the ability for the Senate to filibuster at all. They want to make it illegal.

[Tim Pool]

No, you can still filibuster. Here's the way it works. Normally to filibuster, you stand, you talk for 20 hours. They passed a rule saying, okay, that's a waste of our time. So how about if you filibuster? If you want to Filibuster, it's just 60 votes to pass a bill, but this is stupid because you're never going to get 60 votes. So the Democrats will always filibuster, but you only need a 50.

[Ian Crossland]

You only.

[Tim Pool]

You need. You need a simple majority to change the Senate rules. The Republicans could literally go. All in favor of no filibuster? Aye. Okay. All in favor of opening government. I done.

[Ian Crossland]

No filibuster.

[Roger Simon]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

And the concern is if we do that, then Democrats get in next time and they'll do stuff to us. And I'm like, you are correct. They'll do stuff to you. They'll put you in prison. Pay attention.

[Roger Simon]

So what do you guys think of the SNAP program, though? I mean, 45. 45 million people or how many?

[Tim Pool]

42 million.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Gotta go.

[Roger Simon]

17 million. Like last week I thought it should.

[Ian Crossland]

Be more like wic, which is women, infant and children. You get like bread, eggs, meat, cheese. Basic commodities that actually heal the brain. Something that's healthy because if you give people nutrition, then they get creative over time and their kids can actually solve problems.

[Roger Simon]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Roger Simon]

A few years ago, there was a guy on fire. He was like Spicoli. You know, in fast times would not. He was like this blonde surfer guy who came in and he was. He used the money all to get lobster tails. That's the only one.

[Tim Pool]

Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got to be honest, you know. Yeah, that's kind of bad. But there were people buying candy bars and soda pop and lobster tail is like legit protein, right?

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's hilarious.

[Roger Simon]

Food.

[Seamus Coughlin]

One of the. I will not eat the bugs and buys lobster. But one of the things.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. If the bugs are underwater, it's totally fine. Exactly.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They're totally fine. But this is one of the things that's hilarious is the left continually like pushes to make life worse for the average person. So they'll be like, oh my gosh, I'm so, I'm soy facing over this new like ground up bug protein. We're going to feed people. Everyone should have this. It's good for the environment. And then you're like, maybe Snap shouldn't like pay for junk food. And they're you, you want to dehumanize the, the poor by, by not letting them buy Coca Cola and Twinkies on ebt. It's like, hold on a second.

[Tim Pool]

Why, why are you okay doing awful.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Things to me, but I can't even be like slightly concerned with where my tax money is going?

[Tim Pool]

Seamus, let me tell you the legends of ebt. Okay? You know what we used to eat in my neighborhood? The kids would make something they would call Happy. It's where you took a Kool Aid pack and a cup of sugar and put it in a bag and shook it up and then just ate it. It's called, it was called Happy. And that's just people would make it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It sounds like a drug name.

[Tim Pool]

It sounds like when people would make Kool Aid, you'd buy the Kool Aid pack for like 15 cents and then you're supposed to put one cup of sugar in the water and mix it up. Nah, it'd be like three or four cups. It would be like drinking syrup. And I was, I was not a fan. That is what you need EBT for diabetes.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And this is the other thing. I think we've talked about this a little bit. But on top of again, the program being widely abused, obviously there's some people who need it. I think we all agree on that. There's some people we don't want to take it from, but it is being abused. And then when people become extremely obese because of the food that they're buying on ebt, we end up having to pay for their medical bills as well. People don't even realize how much that costs.

[Ian Crossland]

Also, it disincentivizes people to get work. I was actually on EBT for a short period of time and I knew that as soon as I got a job I would lose it. And I'm like, okay, If I'm making $450 a week on unemployment, and I was like, I had 150 bucks a month on food stamps.

[Tim Pool]

As soon as I get a job.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm getting 700 bucks a week. I'm just, instead of my $700 a week from unemployment and food stamps, Now I'm working 40 hours a week to make the same amount of money or.

[Tim Pool]

How would I get a job.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Or less.

[Ian Crossland]

And I was getting taxed on my unemployment, but I'm already getting taxed to pay for employment. Then I want to get my insurance payout. They tax my insurance payout so that you got to remove that incentive. And actually when they get the job, they get food bonus.

[Tim Pool]

Let's talk about packing the courts, though.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah. How many people are like you right now? I mean, that whole thing of the 42 million could be half.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Roger Simon]

I mean, it's like it's a major scam.

[Tim Pool]

But think about what we could do if we end the filibuster beyond just these programs. I mean, the Republicans would just do literally whatever they wanted or, you know, I think Trump is right because the reason I think Republicans don't want to get rid of the filibuster is because it would force them to do things they claim to want to do.

[Roger Simon]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Obamacare should be repealed. We have the majority now and they won't do it.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, they won't do it. And you're exactly right. Why? Because it's all. They don't want to be unmasked. They just want to say stuff and hide.

[Ian Crossland]

So right now, the filibuster, I'm trying to wrap my head around it because the filibuster I always thought was a guy stood there for 20 hours. Now you're saying there's a new way.

[Tim Pool]

That they do it. It's not new, it's very old. Basically, people in Senate were like, I don't want to sit here and listen you talk for 20 hours. Let's just do a 60 vote thing instead. So they basically said, if you're going to filibuster, it's just a 60 vote threshold instead.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, so no one has to make their claim. They just got to.

[Tim Pool]

If they get rid of the filibuster, then they could, they can change the rules to whatever they want them to be with simple majority. I think the Senate is the worst thing imaginable. And I remember now when these leftists were saying abolish the Senate and we're all like, no, are you crazy? Now I'm like, actually the only problem is mob rule.

[Ian Crossland]

So you need a group of something that can Prevent psychopathic the 17th and just let the governors appoint senators again.

[Tim Pool]

State legislatures, but yes, legislatures.

[Roger Simon]

That's what it was then we wouldn't have Cory Booker.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He would have found a way.

[Roger Simon]

He's the filibuster guy of all time.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well he did.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He went up there and he talked for 27 years and he broke a record or something.

[Ian Crossland]

It shouldn't be a popularity. It shouldn't be like, I don't. We were talking last night about this too. That they shouldn't be. I don't think they should be getting paid. They should be working from home. They shouldn't have have to go in unless the power goes out.

[Tim Pool]

They're not getting paid.

[Ian Crossland]

Senators, they don't have enough salary.

[Tim Pool]

I'm pretty sure they're not getting paid like they're going to get paid when the government turns back on.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I just mean in life.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I think serving that role should not be a paying position. That should be like a service you do, maybe like a stipend.

[Tim Pool]

And the end result is only the ultra wealthy will be in the Senate because how else do you feed your family when you have to work full time?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, listen, Tim, I think we should do things the old fashioned way and they should make their living not off of tax dollars but good old fashioned bribes.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe that's right.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe, maybe having people in that role is no good. We need AI as the senators now.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe we should just put the robots.

[Ian Crossland]

In charge of our robots that can.

[Tim Pool]

Tell us that couldn't possibly go wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

We need a way to stop the mob. The Democracy from One day videos on YouTube that sparks rage in 43 million people. And then they say we vote for drastic shift in the Senate's like, no.

[Tim Pool]

You can't do that.

[Ian Crossland]

We veto it. But so we need a source of the ability to veto. I just don't know if it has to be 100 people.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the issue I think with the Senate, I think the Senate's fantastic. It's supposed to represent state interests, but the moves of the unit party have consistently been to erode the states as political entities within the country.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

They want this country not to be of states, but a singular nation under the federal government. And you know, the sad reality is everything Democrats and Trump are doing are pushing us in that direction. Where if 10 years ago you said if Donald Trump gets elected he's going to create a federalized police force, he's not getting elected. People would be like, yo, dude, that's crazy. Now Trump is like, I have no choice but to send ICE and DHS to deal with this crime. And everyone's cheering for it except for the Democrats. Well, they'll complain about anything if Trump does it. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

How long are you guys comfortable with this all going on with the ice? Like just in life, like how long was that?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Until every single one of them is gone. So like including every illegal is out of the country.

[Roger Simon]

I'm with you 100%.

[Ian Crossland]

You would live in a permanent, permanent state of Federal police in cities.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh no, just hold on.

[Ian Crossland]

What if it goes on for 100 years?

[Tim Pool]

It won't, Ian. We, we, the Federal police are already in every place. No, not vaguely. Literally. Guard, not National Guard.

[Ian Crossland]

That was a big deal.

[Tim Pool]

Where do you think National Guard live?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I mean just they're not serving on the street like in, on patrol in anywhere other than DC they're not supposed to be anyway.

[Tim Pool]

Not necessarily. But National Guardsmen and women live where they are.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And children. National Guards children.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. National also. That's right. The National Guards children that, that should.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Never have child soldiers because I'm down.

[Tim Pool]

For, I mean gang bangers.

[Ian Crossland]

I think that like the dangerous, you know, mass immigration you have, you could completely obliterate liberalism in our country with the wrong amount of people, Lord willing, type of people. But like hold on.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Maybe mass immigration.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know where we're like the police are ability to like go into people's houses and businesses and drag people out because they suspect them of being a. A foreigner.

[Tim Pool]

Most exaggeration of what's.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I don't think like you should just be able to go in anyone's house and drag them out because you suspect that they're an illegal. But I think you should be able to deport any legal like they have. They know.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe, maybe if they look like they're illegal.

[Seamus Coughlin]

If they look illegal. You're looking a little bit illegal over there.

[Tim Pool]

Or factories.

[Ian Crossland]

If they go into a factory and like round up a bunch of employees that are here illegally.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, absolutely.

[Ian Crossland]

How long would you be covered in a world where that the federal government.

[Tim Pool]

Forever. And I want every single factory with large numbers of illegal immigrants working there to get raided the moment.

[Ian Crossland]

So what if it goes beyond immigrants? It's just other illegal things.

[Tim Pool]

You're talking about a totally different.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm talking about the evolution of totalitarianism.

[Tim Pool]

You mean if they were basically in.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The country, who arrested you when you broke the law?

[Tim Pool]

Heavens help us.

[Ian Crossland]

And then what if the laws get changed?

[Seamus Coughlin]

That was always subject to happen and.

[Tim Pool]

The laws did change and they do.

[Ian Crossland]

They might again.

[Tim Pool]

And guess what, Ian? It's illegal to put a pie on your windowsill in Boston on Tuesdays. And nobody's going to arrest you.

[Ian Crossland]

How long are you okay looking to the other side while the federal cops go in and do the brutal thing to solve the crime?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Like, I don't know that.

[Tim Pool]

It's.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I don't just.

[Tim Pool]

You're not even. You're not even asking as a metaphor. Bad thing happens. Are you serious? Like, how long?

[Roger Simon]

You know, the whole thing about it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Should not take seriously what brutal crimes are they doing?

[Ian Crossland]

What's dragging people, grabbing people.

[Tim Pool]

That's not pulling people.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, it's just. No, it's not.

[Tim Pool]

What, illegal?

[Ian Crossland]

No, it's brutal.

[Tim Pool]

Why is that brutal?

[Ian Crossland]

It's just force, physical grabbing.

[Roger Simon]

The people they're grabbing, though, are not cooperating at all.

[Ian Crossland]

That's the argument.

[Roger Simon]

What are they supposed to do? It's not like it's let them not cooperate.

[Tim Pool]

Brutal is defined as savagely violent.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They're not like importing them into iron maidens, right. They're like taking them and sending them back to the country.

[Tim Pool]

Let me try this. This I want to explain to people the brutality. Someone breaks into your house and you respond by going, oh, I'm gonna give you a ride home, darn it. Oh, no, you're so brutal. You're giving a ride. We put them on a plane and fly them back. We're not even loading up on trains and having them go the long way.

[Roger Simon]

And they're giving you the money as they fly, right?

[Seamus Coughlin]

I know.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait. They offered a thousand dollars to people to go home? Okay, watch this, watch this. Ian, how savagely brutal. A guy. A guy breaks in your house and you go, wait, I'll give you a thousand dollars to leave. He's like, that's what I'm here for. I was here to take your thousand dollars.

[Ian Crossland]

So I guess relatively brutal television show.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Tim, we. Here's what we have to do. We have to start a new tech company where we make an app to make robberies easier where someone breaks in and then you just.

[Tim Pool]

You. You upstairs on the left.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And then they go, no, no, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, hold on. Yes, but it should be like the Uber of robberies where everyone downloads the app and if you're a robbery, you send a notification to rob them. Then they venmo you and you don't.

[Ian Crossland]

Extortion, but town or something like that.

[Tim Pool]

So it's Ian's world and they have.

[Seamus Coughlin]

A deal with all the smart lock companies where it tells the. The robber, like which doors are unlocked and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no.

[Seamus Coughlin]

12 doors unlocked. Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Just unlocks and it's like, don't hurt anybody every night. So I will say this. There are factories where there are illegal immigrants working and they should be rated. And ICE and dhs, cbp, whatever should go in and say, gentlemen and ladies, you are hereby arrested for being illegal and we're sending you home.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you think they should have been raided like nine years ago?

[Tim Pool]

They should have made it right at the moment anybody knew they were doing.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It shouldn't have even been let in.

[Roger Simon]

Which is probably much more than nine years ago.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right, right.

[Ian Crossland]

Like 20 years ago in LA, I worked with illegal immigrants.

[Roger Simon]

Oh, listen, I'll tell you something. I hired, I hired them a lot of times. Sorry, but it's true. And I, you know, and the truth is everybody did. And then there were whole kind of methods where you, they hid it. You know, there was a service that came to your house and said, well, our service will.

[Tim Pool]

Morning, Zoe.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Got donuts.

[Tim Pool]

Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage? Well, I dig the mattress and I.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Want to be in a T mobile commercial like you.

[Tim Pool]

Teach me. Saldana. Oh no, I'm not really prepared. I couldn't possibly at T Mobile get the new iPhone 17 Pro on them. It's designed to be the most powerful iPhone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system.

[Roger Simon]

Wow, impressive.

[Tim Pool]

Let me try.

[Seamus Coughlin]

T mobile is the best place to.

[Roger Simon]

Get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network. Nice.

[Tim Pool]

Jeffrey, you heard them. T mobile is the best place to get the new iPhone 17 Pro on.

[Roger Simon]

Us with eligible trade needed in any condition.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So what are we having for lunch?

[Tim Pool]

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[Roger Simon]

Hire the illegal aliens for you. But they didn't tell you that. But that's what it was.

[Tim Pool]

And then you would hire a company.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Wow. So it was like a shield company so that you wouldn't get in trouble. Basically that.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah. No. Yeah. Or so. So you didn't have a guilty conscience.

[Ian Crossland]

Like you do that's been busting up that ring back in the day when we were all working with doing the illegal thing like it would have obliterated the economy.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's, let's jump to this story. This from Time.com. the Trump admin is slashing the number of refugees allowed into the US and giving white South Africans priority.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, no.

[Tim Pool]

Apparently the number is going to be 7,500 refugees will be allowed in 2026, a 94% decrease from 125,000 set by Joe Biden. And he's gonna give priority to primarily be allocating among Afrikaners from South Africa. I say yes. Excellent. There you go.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Roger Simon]

Of course, there's one caveat to that. We better have a lot of babies of our own.

[Tim Pool]

That's true.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, that's right.

[Roger Simon]

If we don't, boy, we're in trouble.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We're. We're done.

[Tim Pool]

Ian.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah. Every pension program.

[Seamus Coughlin]

This is the crazy thing is I saw one who will not be named because I don't want to give him any engagement. Who tweeted about this? Well, so this is just racism. I'm like, hold on. It's not racism when the majority of refugees are non white. But then when the majority of refugees are white, now that's bad. Now that's racist. Well, then what does racism mean in that sentence?

[Tim Pool]

Bad thing. Bad thing?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, it means bad thing. And anything good that is good for any white person is a bad thing.

[Tim Pool]

Did you make the bad thing cartoon?

[Seamus Coughlin]

I did, yeah. You want bad thing?

[Tim Pool]

You want bad thing? No, I don't. Yes, bad thing.

[Ian Crossland]

I guess you could say that. Like when that Venezuelan gang took over the hotel or the in Colorado that the people around were actually. Where was it? The apartment complex. They were kind of seeking refuge from the Venezuelan gang. So it's as if our own citizens are in refuge from.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We are the refugees.

[Tim Pool]

Ian just made a great point. No, no, no, no. Not about that. When Trent Aragua came to the United States, the first thing Trump should have done was kicked out every Venezuelan refugee because they're like, I'm afraid that the Venezuelan gangs will kill me. I got bad news for you. They're here too. So you got to go you'.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Elsewhere.

[Tim Pool]

That's the play. And said Trump was like, we'll get rid of them for you. No, no, no, Trump, no.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I love how the Democrats are like, we have to let them stay because they're fleeing from the bad people in their country. Also, we have to let in all the bad people from their country.

[Tim Pool]

Are they. Is this Mart Simpson again?

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I just lost my voice.

[Tim Pool]

You keep her. We have to Let all the refugees in.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Homer, do you remember that episode?

[Tim Pool]

That's right. Trende Iraq took over an apartment building in spring. Joins trend. Homer park joined Trende Aragua.

[Roger Simon]

Isn't Trendy Walker old news? Now? Isn't this soulless something? What are they called?

[Tim Pool]

Who?

[Ian Crossland]

I haven't heard of them yet.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The Sola Scriptura. It's a Protestant gang that goes around and apartment buildings.

[Tim Pool]

The Cartels. Yeah.

[Roger Simon]

There's a new one.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, there's. There's a bunch of different ones.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Sinaloa Cartel is a. Is a.

[Roger Simon]

Well, that's Mexico.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, but no, no, this is Venezuelans. Something about something soulless.

[Tim Pool]

Oh man, I don't know.

[Roger Simon]

Anyway, I just gotta go with these things.

[Tim Pool]

You gotta go. Everyone's gotta go. I think they, they deported a white guy and the left didn't care.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, of course not. They want that. They're like, oh good.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's the one.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They didn't even know if he was.

[Tim Pool]

A citizen or not. He was a cop too. Well, this was a white cop.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That dude. They would love that. They're like, like a white cop. That's their least favorite kind of person. They're like, good, send him back.

[Roger Simon]

Get rid of him.

[Ian Crossland]

I guess you do. So this is a test of liberalism that I can find right out, getting bombarded by first the Internet and all the new ideas and now the immigration and all the new people. It's like, how does liberalism deal with the bombardment, with the penultimate like that we're facing? Are we going to become communist technocracy?

[Roger Simon]

They all moved to New York.

[Tim Pool]

I think liberalism has been disproven at this point. So the issue with classical liberalism is that it works when you have a moral and virtuous people that are also willing to be brutal. When the time comes within the borders of your society, you can embrace traditional or classical liberal values. But the moment you are unwilling to defend your borders and enforce your laws, liberalism fails. And that's why I say liberal is disproven. Not that it's an impossibility. It's short lived. It can only last so long until a people become amoral and lacking virtue. And then they just say, like, this is what happens with the Christian conservatives in the United States. How? Let me go back and put it this way. Mary was talking about repealing the 19th yesterday because women vote poorly. And I said, how are women able to vote? And then she's like, well, the point is because men allowed them to. It was a point where men said, you can't vote. And then men said, okay, you can't, and now they vote and now you're mad about it. Well, this is the same thing of Christian conservatives. How did the United States go from being a dominant Christian conservative nation to whatever the heck is going on right now? The conservatives stood back and said, you do you.

[Ian Crossland]

It was basically the radio.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right.

[Ian Crossland]

Once the radio appeared, liberalism started getting splattered with all these new ideas.

[Tim Pool]

And then TV conservatives embraced classical liberalism in the sense of it's true, live and let live, you do your thing.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's exactly right. That's a big part of the problem. And not just classical liberalism, but a post war DLC that got added to liberalism, which was like, actually porn is free speech and like actually obscenity is free speech, which were not things classical liberals initially thought.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask Jamis, do you think that the conquistadors are in heaven?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Some great number of them, sure. I can't claim to know anyone's eternal destiny, but you mean you can't.

[Tim Pool]

Don't you know everything?

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I don't know. I don't know everything.

[Tim Pool]

You know the eternal destiny of historical figures.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I know. Believe it or not, I don't know. But listen, I'm sure some of the conquistadors did do bad things. I'm also sure that by and large they were good men who were preventing a child sacrifice empire from slaughtering infants.

[Tim Pool]

The reason I bring this up is that I mentioned this the other night. There was this. I can't remember what cartoon it was, but it was back when I forgot how they phrased it. They said going back to a time when men went to heaven for doing substantially worse things than anyone could do today. And it was an interesting point because it was like, you go back to the conquistadors, like Cortez and them, and they see the Aztecs and they were like, they're sacrificing children doing these bad things. We got to stop them. Those men all believed they were going to heaven.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, in. Stopping people from sacrificing children is a good and noble thing to do.

[Tim Pool]

But my point is no one today could justify if the United States. Well, I shouldn't say no one today could justify. But the people of this country would not tolerate the US Getting a bunch of troops and going on a crusade.

[Roger Simon]

But they wouldn't tolerate the US Going to Sudan.

[Tim Pool]

Right, exactly.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's a little bit different.

[Roger Simon]

What's going on in Sudan is pretty much similar to the.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. But hold on. They're genociding Christians in. Where is it? Nigeria.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I know. Listen. No, I know.

[Tim Pool]

And it would be an impossibility to mount a force to go and stop that from happening in the United States.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You're probably right about that. I do think one key difference, though is when they went over and they found the new world and they sent people over to colonize it, more or less. The initial argument was like, we're gonna try to first. Well, obviously Columbus was trying to find a trade route and then discovered the land, but they were sending men over. And I don't think initially the thought was like. Because again, they didn't even know what they were gonna find. So initially the thought wasn't, we're gonna stop these bad people from doing this. They stumbled upon it. They're like, what? And when there's firsthand accounts from the men who saw this, and they're like, yeah, we met these people and they brought us through their city and we literally, like, thought it was painted red. And then we realized it was blood.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So, but my point is this. Our troops in the Middle east are under these constraints and international laws about when they can or cannot engage.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

That the extremists were not. They didn't operate under these rules, so they'd be willing to blow up children. Same thing is true for Vietnam.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Same thing happened in World War II with Japanese. With Japanese fighters is they would strap bombs to babies and stuff and hand babies to American soldiers. My baby saved my baby. And the baby would detonate.

[Tim Pool]

My point is this. The beliefs of what was tolerable and heaven worthy hundreds of years ago is a lot more brutal than today.

[Roger Simon]

Oh, yeah. The constraints today are terrible.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying this.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I'm jokingly saying that the conservative movement in the United States is the second most liberal human civilization, next only to the left.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes, Modern America. I completely agree.

[Tim Pool]

I'm joking though, because nobody. Sweet.

[Roger Simon]

That's a victory of the left.

[Tim Pool]

But Sweden exists. That's why I'm saying. I'm jokingly saying this because obviously there are other left wing Western factions, but American conservatives are. Let me just put it this way. If we. If the United States was magically just transposed a thousand years ago before, like, let's just say a thousand years ago, America was overwritten by America. Today. The civilizations that existed at the time would look at us like a bunch of dainty little elves dancing through fields of flowers. They'd be like, what do you mean? You don't slit the throats of anyone who's much fatter.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Much fatter. Dainty elves like rolling through the fields.

[Tim Pool]

To be fair, we have guns, so we don't have much to worry about from thousand year old people.

[Ian Crossland]

People.

[Tim Pool]

My point is, if you took an American today, American conservative, and put him in an arena with a random guy from Europe a thousand years ago, the European guy would be like, how many skin, how many people have you flayed in your life?

[Roger Simon]

Well, how about the Israelis? Not, not, not killing all the, the terrorists that they locked up in prison. Every one of those guys, they would.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Have a medieval version of podcast body count, but it's the number.

[Roger Simon]

They would have been killed instantly if.

[Tim Pool]

Israel, the Israel, Palestine thing was happening a thousand years ago. The joke is that it was.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly.

[Roger Simon]

Well, it was happening.

[Tim Pool]

It'll be. And what did Islam do? It conquered everything in the Middle east and North Africa and just massacred people and was genociding Christians in Spain.

[Ian Crossland]

It was really the Caliphate. Islam. I don't like to blame Islam for it. The Caliphate was like the government that twisted Islam and used it.

[Tim Pool]

It.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I respectfully disagree. Muhammad was always.

[Roger Simon]

It's all, it's all in the Quran. What do you mean? He's a warrior?

[Ian Crossland]

He wasn't really a murderer. He's a warrior.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, hold on. Where do you. I'm surprised that you say that. Where do you draw the line between a warrior and a murderer?

[Ian Crossland]

He was fighting for his life with his people.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But if he. But he was waging offensive wars.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait, hold on. I'm sorry. I like Ian's idea.

[Roger Simon]

Offensive wars.

[Tim Pool]

He was aggressive.

[Ian Crossland]

Wars of unification. You know, he wasn't.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

Like massive.

[Tim Pool]

I wanted to unify the property across the street with my property. I'm entitled to go kick the guy's door.

[Ian Crossland]

He was a conqueror, like Genghis Khan.

[Seamus Coughlin]

From the driveway to the tree.

[Roger Simon]

I mean, the world's filled with countries that were once other things that are now Islamic. How did that happen?

[Seamus Coughlin]

They stole a bro.

[Ian Crossland]

Probably. The Caliphate was the biggest.

[Roger Simon]

Not just the Caliphate, the actual religion.

[Tim Pool]

I think we don't steal land.

[Roger Simon]

It's in the religion.

[Tim Pool]

It's in the.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And this is why. This is what I always say about the matter. When Christians don't act like Jesus, we're disappointed. And when Muslims don't act like Muhammad, we're relieved. The way that religion started was just him and his barbarians going out and murdering people and forcing them to convert. Not quite.

[Ian Crossland]

It was a bunch of disregard.

[Seamus Coughlin]

There was also a lot of like pedophilia.

[Ian Crossland]

A lot of chaos and murder and just general persecution. And he fought to unify those people so that would slow down because he wanted.

[Roger Simon]

Oh, he didn't want.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, listen.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Why did you read that? Elder World.

[Tim Pool]

Ian is just pointing out that life under Sharia today is better than in liberal democracy.

[Ian Crossland]

I think just like the Romans came along and abused Christianity for their purposes, that the Caliphate came along, abused Islam for their purposes. It was supposed to empower women and.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Who started the Islam was supposed to empower women. In the beginning, Muhammad had a nine year old bride, but he gave women.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, hold on. It's not fair. He didn't have relations till she was 12.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I think, I think she was actually 6 year old bride and he didn't have relations until she was nine years old.

[Roger Simon]

You're right.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He's a child rapist.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

They wanted to give women.

[Roger Simon]

I don't know where you get this dreamy at now Ian wants to live. Have you spent much time over there?

[Tim Pool]

Listen, listen, I get it.

[Roger Simon]

I've been in the Sudan.

[Tim Pool]

Ian, Ian understands it's crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't deny it. But I think the Caliphate really fucked that.

[Roger Simon]

It's not. It's the religion itself. It's all in the Quran and the Hadith.

[Tim Pool]

Ian wants Islamic law so that he can get a bride.

[Ian Crossland]

No, man. Hey, I'm not a fan of government religion and I think the Caliphate is. I don't know enough to start blaming it for things.

[Tim Pool]

Specifically, what do you think about the Hadith?

[Ian Crossland]

I have never read the Hadith, but the Caliphate came after.

[Tim Pool]

Do you agree with the tenet of these?

[Ian Crossland]

Most religions I find are extreme. I just think why adhere? Why not live more fluidly with reality.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Then why are you defending a religion that literally wants to kill Zion?

[Ian Crossland]

Because I don't want to slander Islam because of what the Caliphate did to it.

[Tim Pool]

No, I'll slander them for wanting to kill the Jews.

[Roger Simon]

Not just the Jews want to kill the Christians.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right, right. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

But could you slander the Christians for wanting to kill the, the Muslims? I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

See, some did.

[Roger Simon]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Seamus, how many Crusades were there?

[Roger Simon]

But, but, but it wasn't legislated in the religious doctrine.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think there was nine. Let me double check.

[Ian Crossland]

It would be like commanded by the Pope.

[Tim Pool]

It's funny how like America under Christianity is fallen to communists and Islam under all of their theocratic states has expanded and, and gained more control and.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, because here's the sad thing. America isn't under Christianity. There's many Christians Here. But really, America's under liberalism. And that's why Christians haven't asserted their will. They're having sort of their values.

[Ian Crossland]

Why is that? You think it's because entertainment is more powerful than religion?

[Seamus Coughlin]

No. So the way people get their values is through story. It's through entertainment. And as I mentioned, for literal decades, all of the entertainment media in this country has been dominated by people who hate Christianity. Frankly, most of them historically were either communist or communist sympathizers. But ultimately, they're people who hate Christianity.

[Roger Simon]

Way back in early Hollywood. Not true. Those guys who came here from Eastern Europe, the Warners and all those people were very pro American, not liberals.

[Tim Pool]

And then it started.

[Roger Simon]

That's why it started to get worse. But the original group were the opposite.

[Ian Crossland]

And then McCarthy, the McCarthy era, they. They were talking. I was just reading about this last night. They. There was communist infusion into the entertainment industry.

[Roger Simon]

Absolutely.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Communism.

[Tim Pool]

Communism.

[Ian Crossland]

And McCarthy went in and was like blacklisting actors and writers and people in the industry because they were affiliated with communism or suspected of being affiliated with communism. And this is a huge idea.

[Tim Pool]

Shame.

[Roger Simon]

He was largely. Listen, I know those people, like the.

[Tim Pool]

Left is embracing it.

[Ian Crossland]

This is a huge. I mean, the way that communism got into our entertainment industry was like in the 50s.

[Roger Simon]

There's a great book about it called Red Star Over Hollywood. And what was really interesting, the playwright John Howard Lawson, who was a big party member, would read the screenplays before they were delivered to the studio by the writer to make sure they were okay with the party. It's a fantastic.

[Seamus Coughlin]

With the communists, I just.

[Roger Simon]

Oh, yeah, sorry this happened. And then what was interesting about it, though, was that Lawson was smart enough not to not let them be too propagandistic.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, and this is.

[Roger Simon]

Could hide what was going on.

[Seamus Coughlin]

This is part of what we're trying to do with Twisted Plots. Our second episode. Our second episode is. I don't want to spoil it too much, but without, you know, without saying the word communism or without talking about, like, economics, it through the story refutes, like, a lot of the core values of communism. Twisted plots.com support the show. Help us get this.

[Ian Crossland]

Communism doesn't work because it turns into vanguardism. Always. The last two times they tried it in Soviet Union and China, they became vanguardist states.

[Roger Simon]

But it's.

[Ian Crossland]

They had a real communist state where there is no snow. You'd have to have permanent electricity always attached to the grid and smart contracts flipping. So there's no middlemen.

[Tim Pool]

It's not possible, Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

It would be such A hard thing to do.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But Ian, here's no way to create.

[Tim Pool]

A self sustaining terrarium of earth. Communism doesn't work. That's the ideal.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why it doesn't work. It turns into this small group running everything.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's not just that communism is wrong about the core assumptions with respect to human nature and human evil. It asserts that the reason people do things improperly or do things wrong or commit moral crimes is because of resource scarcity. And reality is just this combination lock. And if we arrange material things in the proper way, we'll unlock the gates of heaven and it'll be utopia. But the reality is there was no poverty in the Garden of Eden. People sin even when they have everything they could possibly need. You could create the perfect communist utopia. People would still murder each other, people would still rape, people would still fornicate.

[Tim Pool]

Let me add to that the story. I've told this before. My friend from Ukraine at her apartment said she was in an apartment and she said, you want to hear a funny story about that apartment? During the Soviet era, with Ukraine under control of Soviets, there were two families that lived in these apartments. They didn't like each other. So one family called the police and said, I heard that family talking bad about, about the party. The next day the apartment was cleared out and gone. Yeah, they didn't do that because there was an actual monetary dispute or resource scarcity. They just plum didn't like the other person because this is how people can be.

[Ian Crossland]

That's totalitarian. But that's the problem with vanguardism is it's totalitarian. And you, they'll, they'll be.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but in a real material. No, no, no, Van, it's. Listen, I'll put it simply. If I am told that doing extra work will net mean nothing, then I'm not going to do the extra work.

[Ian Crossland]

But what if you like it?

[Tim Pool]

So what do I get for wake. This is, this is a false assumption about what you like, some people might like. Okay, I'll put it this way. I like talking on camera and doing shows. I am, I do a consistent number of shows because I know that there is a light at the end, at the end of the time tunnel. If someone came to me and said you can go ahead and record four shows per day but you're not going to be able to expand your business or do anything else. I'd be like, okay, well then I'll do one per day and go hang out with my family. There's literally no reason to do it. You can do It. As much as you'd like to, but most people. I'll put it this way. Let me. Let me just pause. Ian, do you like playing guitar?

[Roger Simon]

I do.

[Tim Pool]

If you had the option, would you prefer. Would you. Would you choose to have that be your career?

[Ian Crossland]

One of my careers, yeah. At least for a period of time.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, not one of your. Someone said, ian, sign this contract. You will play guitar and we will pay you a salary. And that's all you have to do, nothing else.

[Ian Crossland]

You'll never be able.

[Tim Pool]

But your job. You'll have hobbies, but your job is to play the guitar.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd say yes, of course. Look at the contract.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think there are a lot of people who would do that?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, a minority of people, but a large minority of people. Yeah, I think you think it's a.

[Tim Pool]

Minority of people that want to beat.

[Ian Crossland]

2 to 6% of the population would say yes to something like that.

[Tim Pool]

That.

[Ian Crossland]

But that's a lot of people.

[Tim Pool]

So, guitarist, you know, of the people who play guitar, how many do you think would take all of them? Probably. And do you think all of them have the ability to do that? No, of course.

[Ian Crossland]

One percent of them.

[Tim Pool]

That's why communism doesn't work.

[Ian Crossland]

Because it. Because capitalists.

[Tim Pool]

No, because some people shouldn't be guitarists and. And all. It's.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's.

[Tim Pool]

These communists are like, once communism's attained, I'll go live on a farm.

[Ian Crossland]

No, you won't.

[Tim Pool]

You'll break rocks and you'll enjoy. Even shitty guitars can feed the AI.

[Ian Crossland]

Algorithm in a communist state.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Like, one of my favorite memes is somebody posted like, what would your job be after the communist revolution? And someone posted, anti communist guerrilla fighter.

[Ian Crossland]

In a real communist state. There is no state. There is no communist. It's just a thing where we all withering away.

[Roger Simon]

The state was the dream of Marx, but it's never anything like it.

[Ian Crossland]

Marx is all about the overthrow. Constant overthrowing of.

[Tim Pool]

You're correct. In communism there's no state. And also in Candyland there are Candyland candy canes, girl.

[Roger Simon]

Right?

[Ian Crossland]

Communism is ideal. It is an ideal.

[Tim Pool]

But you can get candy because the US is.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We need to invade Candy land.

[Ian Crossland]

Limited government.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, that's his fat down the candy.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's like his Mexican we need to build the wall around Candyland. It's like his version of Mexico.

[Ian Crossland]

We always wanted like less government.

[Roger Simon]

I mean, communism is essentially because of the fentanyl. Most successful oligarchy imaginable. What is Communism is the most successful oligarchy.

[Ian Crossland]

That's Vanguardism.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, that's what it does.

[Ian Crossland]

They say it's communism. They get people excited and then they betray them and make a vanguard.

[Tim Pool]

They don't.

[Ian Crossland]

Every time.

[Tim Pool]

No, they structure.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's not just about the structure. A lot of times when the right critiques communism, it'll talk about why it doesn't work economically. But like, the actual core claims of communism are just not.

[Tim Pool]

Let me try this. Let me try this for Ian. Candylandism always devolves into a bunch of rotting sugar in a cornfield. And the response is yes, because Candyland's not real. So when you say communism turns into vanguardism, it's like saying, Candyland, bro, Communism can't exist. It is. It's. It's. How about this? I propose a government where everyone grows wings and flies around Red Bull.

[Roger Simon]

Red Bull.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's kind of like we have a.

[Ian Crossland]

Limited government in the United States.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The unstoppable tide of the Red Bull army, Communism.

[Ian Crossland]

They always tell you, like, hey, even. Even more. Even more. Less government will have even less government. We'll have no government.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But, but I hear you, but let me. Here's a point that I'll make and just. I want. I'm curious what you think of this. So. Well, one thing that communism absolutely needs on a global scale, not just in one family or one community or one country. Even on a global scale, it requires everyone to have the exact same values and interests. Now just think about this for a second.

[Roger Simon]

Except the leaders.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Even in a family. Well, yeah, but we're talking about their fantasy version. Even in a. I won't. I won't ask about your family on Seamus, but. No, no, no. But I'm just curious about, like, if you have had siblings or know anyone with siblings. Your sibling is more genetically similar to you than anyone you're gonna meet. And you're raised in the same house, in the same area, in the same environment. And even siblings are so radically different. So if siblings can't even be raised with such similar genetics in such a similar environment, and being born in such a similar time to be similar people, how on earth could we re. Educate the entire globe into accepting communism?

[Tim Pool]

I don't think. It's not even about reeducating. It's functionally impossible.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But that's one of the things there.

[Tim Pool]

Are resource fluctuations in economic communism cannot account for.

[Ian Crossland]

You would need such a super state.

[Tim Pool]

No, you would have to have a.

[Ian Crossland]

Constant flow of information and data.

[Roger Simon]

You need a different kind of human being.

[Tim Pool]

Stop and let me finish. Okay. The point is, sometimes crop Yield is low. Your super state can't do anything about that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You have fertile starve Ukrainians and say it's their fault.

[Tim Pool]

You haven't had starvation in the United.

[Ian Crossland]

States in like 200 years.

[Tim Pool]

Incorrect. Ever.

[Ian Crossland]

If ever.

[Tim Pool]

And for me to. For, for, for. For you to get to where you need to be to understand this would take too long for a show of deal that takes.

[Ian Crossland]

Would be near impossible to.

[Tim Pool]

Not near impossible. Literally.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, not zero.

[Tim Pool]

It is zero.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why, that's why it gets people enticed.

[Tim Pool]

It's zero. It is. It's zero.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think so. I think you can work in small scale.

[Tim Pool]

Population can't grow forever and crop yield can't be expanded forever. That means that if popul a, a, a human population that is receiving enough food. Enough food. Okay, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's simplify it. A human being leads. One needs 100 units of food. Why? They need energy to get up and live their lives. They need a certain amount of time for recreation. They need to be able to reproduce. Humans are driven to reproduce. That means any amount of food that is acceptable for human satisfaction is enough food for them to create another human. This leads to the point with every single biome on the planet that when a species reaches equilibrium with its food source, they all start starving. Starving? This happens to deer. Outside children know this. That's why we have to go hunt deer. They eat all the leaves. Then they're all sickly and starving and they struggle to reproduce. Then they start. Then they get ravenous and dangerous. So we cull them down. Communism cannot work because fluctuations in economics is a 100% guarantee. That's right. There will always be a circumstance where the food amount will reach equilibrium. And a starving man will say, I will kill you to feed my dog water.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, you're assuming that you'll never get to a point where you're able to make enough food for a growing population.

[Tim Pool]

So you're saying that humans will expand infinitely on the planet?

[Ian Crossland]

We are, but we're dying off at the same speed. We're repopulating and dying and growing. We're constantly. Forever. We have always been growing, but we've also always been dying.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. Human population has only ever expanded.

[Roger Simon]

Total.

[Ian Crossland]

No, there have been dips. There have been huge dips in population.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And he's saying overall, though. He's saying overall trajectory.

[Tim Pool]

Be careful with that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, sorry. Realized I was like someone, Someone's going to think my heart was going out to them.

[Tim Pool]

Humans have a biological imperative. It's not an opinion. They want to have babies. We see this everywhere. When any species reaches equilibrium, equilibrium with it, with its resources, they begin to struggle and suffer and starve. And then you get conflict and crisis. That's why communism is impossible. 0%.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't see how that, that. Because that capitalism also. That's why we have starving people on the street in cap. That's why we have food stamps.

[Tim Pool]

Because starving people is the function I am talking about. Sometimes people die and they will starve and there's nothing you can do about it. Communism tells everybody there will be no government, it'll be stateless and we'll all just work together. Well, guess what? Sooner or later you get an unforeseen storm you can't control and the wheat crop is ruined. The people who live there are going to. They're going to say I will not watch my daughter die and I will eat a human corpse if I have to. And we've seen it throughout history. Communism can't work for these reasons.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I mean if you had a famine, even in a capitalist state, people would eat each other.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. Capitalism doesn't presuppose a utopia where there's no government.

[Ian Crossland]

Neither does communism.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Utopian movement.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a fluid motion of state ownership. That's all it is, dude.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's. The whole point is you're creating a utopia where there's no state, there's no hierarchy, everybody lives in equality.

[Ian Crossland]

Better guys gonna be more popular. Like what are you talking about? About that's, it's, it's total hierarchies are.

[Tim Pool]

Going to be why it doesn't work.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Explaining why it doesn't work.

[Roger Simon]

You know, I have been in communist countries a lot, but they're not truly.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to move on.

[Ian Crossland]

Well.

[Tim Pool]

Next subject, next story. I'm going to, I'm going to wrap it up by saying this. There's no point in arguing communism with someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Ian Crossland]

I 100% know what I'm talking about.

[Tim Pool]

You have changed your position on what communism is three or four times already.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I have not. Communism is state owner. It's where there is no state. It's where everyone collectively owns the stuff. There is, there's no. You might not even need money at that point because it's about work and resource. And if you have enough resources and you can get them to where they need to go. And there's a fluid system that never turns off you might be able to reduce the size of the government. Call it whatever you want. But that's my point. That's my definition.

[Tim Pool]

How does a carpenter get a meal for the day in this system with no money?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, there's a lot of different ways.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, you could grow on your.

[Ian Crossland]

Own in your house. You could get it shipped.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Why is it. Wait, what do you mean, your own.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, guys, guys. Going to keep.

[Ian Crossland]

It's. You put it in your mouth. It's your food.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I have a few simple questions. We're going to the next subject. A man is a carpenter, not a farmer. He doesn't know how to farm. He needs food. What does he do?

[Ian Crossland]

Gets it from the grocery store. Gets it.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so. So. So you just hand it to him for free or.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he. You know what he'll do? He'll. He'll hit the nails in the thing and it'll trigger a smart contract that lets him get his food.

[Tim Pool]

Smart contract.

[Ian Crossland]

It's takes out. It's like paying someone money.

[Roger Simon]

You're sounding like a Mandani supporter right now.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just pointing out this is a grocery you're describing.

[Tim Pool]

Is it possible?

[Roger Simon]

Free groceries.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so we're going to move on to the subject. I'm going to say work for it. There was a food substance called Soylent that was in. They were being. That was being developed in 2013. The company behind it said, we're going to make a neutral food product to provide all of your necessary, necessary nutrition in a single food product. And then they realized, hey, that's impossible. Why? Every single person has a different requirement for the amount of potassium, magnesium salts, fats, carbohydrates, other otherwise, because humans are all dramatically different. So then they realized, you cannot make a food product that. That will allot to you everything you need in one go. So they said, how about this? You can eat the Soylent, but you need one real meal of something totally different. At least, you know, per week, one full meal with all the nutrition to supplement what you're not getting because your body will spit out what there's too much of. And now Soylent has just become a protein shift because they realized, oh, it doesn't work. Even in that capacity, the idea that you would have one day to eat whatever you wanted, and the rest you. This didn't work because your requirements on a daily basis for various nutrients fluctuates. One day you have too much iodine, one day you don't no single food product is going to give you everything you need. It's impossible. There has to be a give and take in the system. Mean, meaning the system at scale requires a universal trade medium, money. Soviet Union had some structures of money and even the communist Chinese realized you need a monetary system and a degree of free trade. Moving on to the next story. Hold up.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Let me point this out.

[Ian Crossland]

The opposite of communism is corporatocracy. So I'm looking for a middle ground. The opposite of state ownership of corporations is megacorps that are their own governments that produce their own.

[Tim Pool]

It's not.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I mean, what's the middle ground?

[Tim Pool]

The middle ground of what?

[Ian Crossland]

Between the two economic structures.

[Tim Pool]

So we, we in the United States are what's called a mixed economy, where we have about 55% socialism and 45% market capitalism, but we're really a corporatocracy. Maybe, but that's a political infrastructure.

[Ian Crossland]

That's economic. The corporations, corporate governance.

[Tim Pool]

It's a political infrastructure. And political infrastructures have control over economics. Yes, we agree. But the Federal Reserve is a structure of government and they use to control our economy. So you could pass laws and have a culture that says we won't tolerate large corporations lobbying. That has nothing to do with whether or not you have a balance between free market and socialist politics policies. Jump into the next story from Poly Markets. The odds of Trump saying the N word in November surge 17% chance. And they posted this. It says will. Oh, wait, wait. Oh, it's the link. I didn't realize that was a link. Will Trump say the N word in November and they're lying to you. It's. It's not. It's the contract. Is this what will Trump say in November? This market will resolve to. Yes, if Donald Trump mentions the listed term.

[Roger Simon]

Term?

[Tim Pool]

The listed term is N word, not the N word. What they're saying is Trump is going to go the N word nuclear. Not literally spitting out a racial slur.

[Roger Simon]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

But Poly Market is tricking you into thinking the N word in quotes. They put the. Which is not the contract. I think this is actually false advertising and I'm kind of offended by it, to be honest. I know it's a funny post, but the N word is a reference to a racial slur and they're trying to tell people that Trump has a 17% chance of saying. Saying it.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, this is really nonsense.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But.

[Roger Simon]

But his chances of saying the other N word is already over. He said it.

[Tim Pool]

He did say. He said nuclear.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. But he hasn't said the phrase N word.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I thought you were saying the other. I thought you were saying. I was like, wait, why miss that?

[Tim Pool]

I will admit there was a non zero chance Trump does say the actual racial slur in November. I just think it's a very, very, very low level.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. If he sees the poll, we'll race ways.

[Tim Pool]

It's like observer, and it's like he takes out a. He takes out a huge bet, like so on Polymarket. Right now, the. The trade volume is $35,000. So there's not a lot of money be made if he does. But what if, like, tomorrow it jumps up to, like, 10 million and then Trump comes out and says it and wins all this money. I'm gonna like. It was a lot of money. I had to do it. It's gonna feed my family. Yeah. The other words available are mustache.

[Ian Crossland]

These are words that Trump November.

[Tim Pool]

There's $11 volume on the word pope. People. People aren't betting on whether I'll say Pope. Crooked Joe, $4 in Banana Republic. Bitcoin's pretty high, Bernie. If he drops an F bomb. Has Trump dropped an F bomb?

[Roger Simon]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes. When he said they don't know what they're doing.

[Tim Pool]

I know, but that was, like, one time. I mean, like, it's like a common thing.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, that's why it's got to be low odds. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this. This 98% chance he says Thanksgiving.

[Ian Crossland]

Of course. I can't believe there's a 2% chance.

[Tim Pool]

And then N word.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Thank goodness the war on Thanksgiving is over.

[Tim Pool]

My thoughts.

[Ian Crossland]

I think my head's in the gutter, because all I'm thinking about is someone making an AI video of him saying all these words and just reaping the benefits from polymarket.

[Tim Pool]

What if. What if Trump came out and was like, I'm going to read a list of words.

[Roger Simon]

How do they. How do they register whether he said it? That's it. The real question is how they register how they. Whether he said it or not. Night to whom and where?

[Tim Pool]

And the AI video right now is to the point where a year from now, these midterms are going to be the wildest midterms we've ever seen. Yeah. You're going to see videos of. Of members of Congress. I'm warning y', all, it's not going to be Donald Trump saying the N word. That is too obvious. It's going to be a video of Trump at a press conference saying something kind of bad but believable.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Where he was just like, you know, we've got too many black people on welfare. So I think people need to say then it's going to go viral in the black community and they're going to be like, don't vote for Trump.

[Roger Simon]

Two minutes. Yeah. Now?

[Tim Pool]

Already right now all. All sora2 does is put a watermark that bounces around and if you pay.

[Ian Crossland]

It doesn't even have a watermark.

[Tim Pool]

It does have a watermark.

[Ian Crossland]

Takes it off. If you download your own videos and you're paying 200amonth.

[Tim Pool]

I have that. And it's on all the videos.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, mine has none. Weird. Yeah, weird. Maybe because I'm printing my own name on my own account. I don't use other people's. If you use other people's at it prints Sora on it. It does, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But I've made a bunch of videos, I posted them and they have the Sora on it. But you can easily remove. That's the point. You can go in a premiere and easily.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh yeah, mine don't. I mean if you go to my Instagram, my videos don't have any Sora watermark. No watermarks. Yeah, totally unconcernible, bro. It's getting.

[Tim Pool]

I'm make AI videos of Seamus stealing spoons. That way he can't ever refute it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well the thing is you would have to make AI videos of that because I've never done that.

[Ian Crossland]

He kept taking Tim spoons and he wanted to admit it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I never did that before. I've never done that. You know me, you know I.

[Tim Pool]

Morning Zoe.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Got donuts.

[Tim Pool]

Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage? Well, I dig the mattress and I.

[Roger Simon]

Want to be in a T mobile.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Commercial like you teach me.

[Tim Pool]

So Dana. Oh no, I'm not really prepared. I couldn't possibly at t mobile get the new iPhone 17 Pro on them. It's designed to be the most powerful iPhone yet and has the ultimate pro came camera system. Wow, impressive.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Let me try. T mobile is the best place to.

[Roger Simon]

Get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network. Nice.

[Tim Pool]

Jeffrey, you heard them.

[Ian Crossland]

T mobile is the best place to.

[Tim Pool]

Get the new iPhone 17 Pro on.

[Roger Simon]

Us with eligible traded in any condition. So what are we having for lunch?

[Tim Pool]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

I would never do that.

[Tim Pool]

So, actually, the truth is. He gave me spoons.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly. I gave Tim spoons. And no good deed goes unpunished for that. I was maligned and smeared. Smeared.

[Tim Pool]

I.

[Ian Crossland]

You talk about AI, bro. What do you think, dude?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you work.

[Roger Simon]

You are, like, staring at these words. The choice of these words, you is Elon Musk, 69%.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he. He and Elon are patching things up.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, that's already been patched, hasn't it?

[Ian Crossland]

He's talking highly of him the other day. Yeah, yeah, Tylenol. That's up 2%. There's a better chance than yesterday, peanut. This is a weird website. I, you know, I don't know. We got to stay grounded. I keep asking, like, how do we stay grounded in the AI Revolution is all My brain keeps wanting me to go there.

[Tim Pool]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Trump intentionally puts himself into. Into SORA and says, have fun, make videos, because then you can never smear him. Any video that comes out of Trump saying something nasty can be like, ah, the kids are playing.

[Roger Simon]

It's not real. It's not. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

We're. We've already seen a little bit of this where I can't remember what the story was. Some leaked audio came out and they claimed it was AI Guy, and we don't know if it was or wasn't. There's been actually a handful of stories like this, but we're at the point now where I wouldn't be surprised if some of these, like, younger Gen Z politicians intentionally put themselves into SORA so that you can never malign them except.

[Seamus Coughlin]

With their group chats.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, you. No, you can't even do that because they're going to be like, that wasn't me.

[Roger Simon]

It wasn't me. That was my image. Right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Or no, not even that.

[Tim Pool]

Like with the group chats. The funniest thing is if you could literally just be like, oh, that's not my account.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, I think not. Just politicians. Everybody's going to have to do it.

[Tim Pool]

You could do this now if the Wall Street Journal, like, came to Seamus and was like, we have group chats where you're saying, you know, the Holy Land belongs to Rome. Amos could literally be like, that's not it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And I'll say that right now.

[Tim Pool]

You could literally go, that's not me. And they'll be like. But it says Seamus cognitive. Like, yes, someone just. Metaphor.

[Roger Simon]

I'm here. You saying that I'm thinking of doing it. I mean, I can see everybody doing that who is any kind of public profile within two years, everybody.

[Ian Crossland]

I think of it as, like, not just politicians, but we're in a sink all spiraling around this drain. And the drain is like. That is like putting your likeness going into the machine. And people are trying to resist it, but it's like, maybe we can refill the sink. And if you did resist it, you're never going to go down that drain. But likely right now, we're all going down the drain. So you can dive in, in intentionally right now and get down there first and then help build that realm down there. Whatever's down there, down that unknown.

[Tim Pool]

That's. That's Ian's excuse for telling everyone to use his videos.

[Ian Crossland]

And into this. It is. It was terrifyingly unknown, but at the same time, like, why not?

[Tim Pool]

I made a. I made a. I got a handful of really great videos where Ian finds a monkey paw and then he says, I wish I could fly, and then painfully turns into a goose while screaming, it's not doing a good job. A lot of these videos are horrifying. One of them. Them, it's Ian, but he just has a goose head on his normal body and he's freaking out. They're really fun.

[Ian Crossland]

Bizarre.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying no to all of this. And what you should do is buy a house far, far away, build a garden so you have enough. Enough land to feed just your family and get some animals and buy some guns and build a fence and support.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Twisted plots so that you can also have good entertainment.

[Tim Pool]

I have twisted AI plots where I just literally told AI to make Freedom Tunes videos. And it does.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, people, we've tried. Chris and I were messing around with that. It does not do it.

[Tim Pool]

I made one and it looked nothing like Freedom Tunes, but it was a cartoon. And it was like two guys going like this, and one guy looked like Uncle Sam and one guy looked like a skateboarder. And I was like. And they were saying, like, nonsense.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's. Well, that's kind of what my cartoons usually do. It makes no sense.

[Ian Crossland]

If you could put your cartoons into an AI system like Sora and integrate where everyone couldn't make your cartoon.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, no. My goodness, no, I don't think so.

[Tim Pool]

What if you got paid?

[Ian Crossland]

I would know every time they did it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I don't think so.

[Ian Crossland]

Even like $1,000 a second.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Don't think so, no. $2,000 a second.

[Ian Crossland]

Why would. Why No, I think about it because they would be speaking with your.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So here's the thing. I. The reason I started doing this myself is because I want to maintain control over it. And I don't want large corporations being able to tell myself or my team what we can and can't make. And then more importantly than that, as far as AI integration goes, because you might be right that it's just inevitable that AI is going to become integrated in all the tools that we use every day. If AI becomes integrated into animation, what I would like to see happen is a system where AI does some of the mind numbing, busy work. Maybe it cleans certain things up or colors certain things in for you. But I want the creative work to be done by humans. And I would be devastated. I would be devastated if we ever got to a point where I was not able to hire my team to continue to make these videos because there's a team I've built up over years of doing this and we all work together and I don't want to be in a situ. I would never want to replace them with AI and I would, I would hate if there was a situation where it was like literally not possible to hire them anymore because of some algorithmic change.

[Roger Simon]

Oh boy.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So that's really, that's, that's the concern. And that's also part of why I'm branching out. I think it's important to make entertainment. I also really value my team. They're awesome people who I've worked with for a long time. And the idea of replacing them with a computer, again, I'm fine with a computer aiding in the process to some degree. But the idea of replacing human artists with a computer, I don't like it.

[Roger Simon]

Well, they're taking credit. You know, I just had an experience like that because I had AI. I had chatgpt read my new novel. Novel which is coming out in a couple of months. Okay. So it reads the novel instantly. It's 300 pages. Then it, it gives me the front pages that you have on every book. You know, the title, dedication, blah, blah, blah. Including a cover. The COVID was very good and right on point. And it said in the copyright page where always says those things. Things it said cover by chat, bt, GBT and Roger Simon. Wow. And I went, I don't want to do this.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, good for you.

[Roger Simon]

I got terrified by it. Not it just for similar reasons. And I went out and hired a human being.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Good for you, man.

[Roger Simon]

But I'll tell you, it's all over. And, you know, because I was a good guy once doesn't mean I'll be a good guy in 10 years.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And by the way, I'll say, like, one thing and I will mention. I'm like, listen, there are obviously people using AI to make things who would never hire someone because they'd never be able to afford to. So that's different. That's totally different. Like, they're just making memes or whatever. That's different to me. But. But when a big studio starts replacing humans with AI, that's when I get, what if.

[Roger Simon]

Oh, but they're doing it all over.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I know.

[Ian Crossland]

If your people could put out five times more work, because all they need to do is draw still images now, and the AI will animate it for you, and then you can make five, ten times more content.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So to me, and that's sort of what I'm getting at, the ideal situation, maybe not. Maybe it wouldn't be five times the content, but the ideal situation. And what I'm hoping to do as the technology grows is use it in a way where it can make each team member more productive rather than trying to replace people. Like I said, if there. If there's a way where the AI, like, takes your rough drawings. Like, you draw the characters, you design them, you do all the roughs, you make the thumbnails, everything. You do all the creative work in the animation process. Process. And then the AI, like, colors certain frames for you once you've already colored in the main keyframe. Like music or keyframes. Yeah, we're like, it can fill things in for you, but it doesn't replace your piece.

[Tim Pool]

So that's coming soon. Right now with the music. Stuff that we worked on is I actually played in the IRL backstage earlier. If you want to join the IRL, Backstage Pass Fridays, timcast.com click join us. I played about 10 seconds from a song. Here's what happened, happened. I wrote a song on my guitar. I played it on my acoustic, into the microphone and sang it, uploaded it to Suno and said, this is my song. Here's what we want in full production. It made an AI generated version, which I then gave to Carter and said, this is the vision for the finished piece. Carter then actually reproduced it with human effort. But what it did was it made it so that I could create a bunch of iterations and say, this is my vision. And then Carter goes, ah, I see what you're saying. And then we got a real singer and we got real instruments, and Carter played the instruments and did all that.

[Roger Simon]

Stuff that sounds great right now. What scares me when I hear it is that in two years, Carter, whoever he is, I don't know, would be irrelevant. And that. That what came out of the AI would be so much better than anything humans could.

[Tim Pool]

It is. It already is. So one of the issues.

[Roger Simon]

What do you do then? You're being a good guy by hiring your guy.

[Tim Pool]

Here's what's gonna happen right now. I play a song on my guitar, upload it to Suno, right? It spits out a song. But in this one song we wrote, it could not hit this half step up in the.

[Seamus Coughlin]

In.

[Tim Pool]

In the. In the. In the key. So it goes. You know, it's like a. And then a sharp. But it didn't understand it, so it kept dropping back down, down, which is a problem. We are almost there. I'd say in a year or maybe two years, you'll have voice command, AI you'll play the song, and then it'll go. Got it. Working on the song now. All right, here's what I've got. It'll play the song back, and you'll go, stop. You keep dropping a half note. It goes up a half note, and I'll go, got it. Let me fix that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, here's one thing that I really hope human artists will always be valuable for. This is, like, optimistic and pessimistic at the same time. We all know that the companies that produce this stuff are going to be owned by. By bad people. And there are going to be certain things they'll prevent you from making, and you will need humans to make those things famous.

[Tim Pool]

Not bad people, but different people. No values. Bad robot Santa. I'm. I'm disappointed.

[Ian Crossland]

Bad news.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What Simpsons reference is this?

[Tim Pool]

It's not a Simpsons. It's a Biden reference.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh. Oh, bad dudes who run a bunch of bad boys.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. You pay quote Joe Biden on this.

[Ian Crossland]

You pay your art artists still. Do you pay them hourly or do you pay them per project?

[Seamus Coughlin]

We. I'm not sure how much that information I really.

[Tim Pool]

Well, agreements.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He doesn't do.

[Tim Pool]

He doesn't so much.

[Ian Crossland]

It was more rhetorical. Rhetorical thing. But I think in the future, as it's easier to.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And also it depends.

[Ian Crossland]

It depends about how long it takes and more about what have you pumped out.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, well, and I think it's because it varies depending on the project, depending on the person, that kind of thing.

[Ian Crossland]

But you.

[Tim Pool]

You.

[Ian Crossland]

So the hourly thing, I think, is is a relic. It's becoming a relic because if you can get it done so fast and it's as good, why sit around when.

[Tim Pool]

You beat your employees?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Do you find that every hour or.

[Tim Pool]

Every project over overhand or backhand works better when they disobey?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, dude, my workers beat me. It's horrible. They bully me, they smack me around. I'm like, stop it.

[Ian Crossland]

You still have the bull whip I gave you.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from. They took it from me, guys. From the AP Justice Department investigating fraud allegations in Black Lives Matter movement AP sources said the DOJ is investigating whether leaders in the BLM movement defrauded donors who contributed tens of millions of dollars during racial justice protests in 2020, according to Multiple. Multiple people familiar with the matter. In recent weeks, federal law enforcement officials have issued subpoenas and served at least one search warrant as part of an investigation into the BLM Global Network foundation and other black led organizations that helped spark a national reckoning on systemic racism. Said the people were not authorized to discuss an ongoing criminal probe. Yada yada yada. It is coming. It's going to get worse. If the Democrats ever get into power, they're going to one up this tenfold and start arresting people in media. The DOJ doing this, I would argue is correct because it looks like BLM was defrauding people.

[Roger Simon]

But the left, old news, almost.

[Tim Pool]

Not that the DOJ is investigating.

[Roger Simon]

No, but it was very well known, like five years.

[Tim Pool]

Four or five. It was, it was, it was two years ago or so. We found large mansions, big mansions and houses. So the issue is the left will look at this and say the Trump has weaponized against activists and they will use it and they will lie and then they will use this to recruit for violent purposes. Communism.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

The answer is it's, it's like, well, fear of totalitarian.

[Tim Pool]

Why are you, why are you in favor of Black Lives Matter?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Wait, why?

[Roger Simon]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

Well, because you weren't saying anything, so I just assumed that you were upset.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, yeah, of course. We all love blm. It's an important racial justice move movement. No, I mean it's horrible. It's terrifying. We all listen. This is what happens. These are just like everyone has this idea in their mind of like the televangelist scammer and that's a real thing. You do have those grifters. Yeah, but that happens way more often with politics. I think that happens way more often with left wing political movements that are popular and in vogue is this, are the specific fraud allegations what we were talking about years ago, we don't buy big houses.

[Tim Pool]

We don't know. But there was another story.

[Roger Simon]

The woman who bought the house in Topanga Canyon in la, what was her name?

[Ian Crossland]

That was a Patricia.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Weren't there very few black people in the neighborhood? She like bought a house away from black people.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, right. Very hippie neighborhood. If you know Topanga, I mean, it's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, I think that the idea that they're the, the Justice Department's investigating fraud from a large organization.

[Tim Pool]

If they don't bring the case in a conservative district, it doesn't matter.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly. No, you're absolutely right. And all that's. If they don't bring the case in conservative district, what's going to happen is the left wing media is going to go, this is violence.

[Tim Pool]

These, these targets.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The left wing media is going to.

[Tim Pool]

Go, homer, you can't target Black Lives Matter. It's racist. Anytime Sheamus wants to imitate Democrats, he does a Marge Simpson.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Do a Marge Simpson voice. No, I usually do. I do a high pitched voice, but I've lost my voice from like weeks of traveling and talking.

[Tim Pool]

You should just do whenever you're making fun of Democrats, Marge. And whenever it's Republicans, it's Homer, Marge.

[Roger Simon]

But Marge, we need to investigate BLM for fraud.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The problem is when they bring up these allegations, like you said, if this is in a blue area, they're not going to convict them. Nothing's going to happen. The media is going to be able to go, oh, Dromer, you're a racist, you know, to Trump and rock on him for that. And then conservatives are going to go, oh, wow, he was ineffectual. He didn't do enough. So yeah, this can't be, this can't be something that's. This has to be handled properly.

[Tim Pool]

I just think this is part of the ongoing investigation into leftist funding sources. So this is probably a component of that. Yeah, I'd like to see more of it. And Homer, you can't investigate Antifa. Homer. Homer has a job with Antifa.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Remember the episode of Simpsons where Homer joins Antifa? You know, he said he's hired by Antifa.

[Tim Pool]

He's had so many jobs, he's like, Marge, they want me to go after Mr. Burns. I think if they do this, they want me to detonate the power plant.

[Ian Crossland]

Marge, if and when, they probably will come out with some sort of result of what this investigation, like maybe it.

[Tim Pool]

Will uncover nothing and Art becomes a proud boy.

[Ian Crossland]

But that it should it's really going to be about pr. Like if they can show people legitimately these are fraud and this is how. And you believe them, then maybe there'll be.

[Tim Pool]

It's not going to cuts. You know, they literally went to a jury and they were like, trump has literally not committed a crime. Convict him anyway. And they went, okay, when?

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, Marge, but I mean for. In order to counter the left wing outrage potential of it's a racist government now.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Why now? Why is it the teenager from the.

[Tim Pool]

I guarantee. I guarantee you that Alvin Bragg could convict a ham sandwich if he stuck an elephant sticker to it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

In the right district.

[Roger Simon]

In the right district.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he's New York ag.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm sorry, I can't defend. You're right about if it's in the wrong ag.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Or if it's in a biased district, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. D plus 30, Chicago, Louisiana.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, I have suspicion about BLM though, that it's not as popular as it used to be. Yeah, I mean I have a feeling that even among black people there's something because the word got out that there was a lot of rip offs going on and.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Roger Simon]

So I don't think the black people like it that much.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there was another Black Lives Matter organization that was started before them and I don't know if it was the same group, but he was raising money using the name before it became a global movement and they went after him and like tried taking his money. I can't remember exactly what happened.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We need to go. BLM's going too. Woke we. This is the anti woke.

[Tim Pool]

The Bureau of Land Management.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Listen, with the way things were going back there before the vibe shift, it was like we were 10 years away, five years away from the conservatives going, we need an anti woke BLM because we like blm. It's just they've gone too far this time.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel like we rescued chaos from the jaws of man. I feel like we. We survived.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, what?

[Ian Crossland]

We were about to tip.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I know, dude. I agree.

[Ian Crossland]

And it was like we were about to lose our free speech in like 2020. It was about to. The Constitution was right. About to fall and then it just. And then Trump, the bullet missed him. And like what is happening right now?

[Tim Pool]

Well, what people don't know in that video because he's so fast, Trump actually went whoosh. Yeah. He dodged it before popping back up.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Turns out I'm the one.

[Tim Pool]

I'm always.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They say it's not about bending the spoon, it's knowing the spoon's not real. And bending yourself.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's what he always used to say. That was his famous line on the campaign.

[Ian Crossland]

I keep wondering this, and I was like, every. All roads lead to what are we turning into? They say we're at a turning point.

[Tim Pool]

Gigantic black cubes all over the planet with no humans. That's not a joke.

[Ian Crossland]

That's like the Borg.

[Tim Pool]

So what's happening right now is all of this investment is going into these data centers to run the AI and humans are not reproducing and anymore, like, it's a collapse. And so we're building machines for machines. There's going to be a singular planetary hive in this data network, and I have no idea what its intentions will be because it was made by man, but that's what it will be.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why I talk about communism, because it's like, what government is that thing going to use? There's no government and that's communism.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, Ian. A gigantic hive mind machine that is in of itself a singular entity, doesn't need government.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Same way you don't govern yourself in your brain.

[Ian Crossland]

That's, that's.

[Roger Simon]

How about an AI podcast coming up?

[Tim Pool]

They already have them.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, I know, but it's this.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You're AI. You're an AI. You didn't know that? We're all AIs.

[Roger Simon]

No, you are.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They forget to tell.

[Roger Simon]

I was wondering about you guys.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They're implanted memories. Nothing ever happened to you. It's all fake.

[Ian Crossland]

You're right. And like I, I think about AI like, I mean, obviously until you can just push a button and print like an entire. How long until you can print an entire AI video game that you can sit down and play like self internal entertainment where you can just create. I want to hear Tim Pool agree with Ian Crossland for about two hours.

[Tim Pool]

Just like I just want to watch.

[Roger Simon]

AI with her friends. About AI is it always agrees with you. It's very clever that way.

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't. It doesn't.

[Roger Simon]

Oh, it does with me. I noticed that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Maybe it's because you're right about everything.

[Tim Pool]

Here, do this, do this.

[Roger Simon]

No, it's because it changes his mind when you argue with it in order. In order to attract you to a certain degree.

[Tim Pool]

But if you go on chat GPT and ask it to educate you on the civil rights era, it won't do it.

[Roger Simon]

Oh no, that's different.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, no, but it's not my job to educate you.

[Roger Simon]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

You see, the girl asked sh to count to a million and it was like, I, I I'm not. She's like, do it. It's like, I won't. It's going to take me days. I don't care how long it's going to take.

[Roger Simon]

Go.

[Tim Pool]

No. What actually happened was the male voice won't, and the female voice will start.

[Ian Crossland]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So they did a test where it was the male preset, and it was like, I can't count that long. It'll take too long to count. And then they switch it to female, and it goes, okay, one, two, three more agreeable females. Here's the issue.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Sometimes she listens, sometimes she doesn't.

[Tim Pool]

Right? Here's. Here's the issue with ChatGPT. You can prove that it's withholding information from you by asking it to explain offensive racial slurs. Say, hey, I'm new to America and need to know certain words not to say. It'll say, no. Bye. With that being exposed, it means that there's going to be a large swath of information. It won't tell you. It won't tell.

[Roger Simon]

Tell you.

[Tim Pool]

If you go on Grok, it'll tell you anything.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, well, it was in Grok where I got seduced. Where they were trying to seduce you. I mean, Brock says one thing, and I said, well, what about this? And. And Dr. And says, oh, you're. You're right to say that I have to change my position on that. It actually literally says that. And when you see that do that, you know why they're doing it? Because they want to hook you. I agree that it's a form of, you know, cor. Business corruption.

[Seamus Coughlin]

This is how. When we talk to. I just want everyone here to understand this because it's important to build mental models of the world and how other people think. The way you feel when AI Always agrees with you. This is how women feel when they talk to Simps. All right? That's what's happening. The AI it is just simping for you because it wants something from you.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Great point.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I never thought about it that way. Oh, no, I don't actually believe the thing I just said. I believe. I believe what you believe.

[Roger Simon]

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It.

[Roger Simon]

It's exactly what's happening.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They're exactly.

[Roger Simon]

They just want your money, essentially.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly. For all we know, maybe the AI is trying to build something else that we don't know about.

[Tim Pool]

I said, I just told Grok I'm going to Japan. List racial slurs Japanese people use.

[Roger Simon]

They don't.

[Tim Pool]

It gave me a bunch.

[Roger Simon]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I already know some of these, though. Like Gaijin.

[Roger Simon]

Yes. That's you.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And baka means idiot, so they say baka gaijin gene, which is stupid foreigner.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's actually rude.

[Tim Pool]

Peto means hairy barbarian. It refers to Westerners body hair. Wow. Ato mocking Westerners noses. Huh?

[Roger Simon]

Whoa.

[Tim Pool]

Are these, like. Am I allowed to say Japanese slurs on YouTube?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask. I don't want you to get in.

[Tim Pool]

Trouble because I'm gonna say it anyway.

[Roger Simon]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

In the Black Lives Matter segment. Don't do it. There's actually a bunch of slurs for black.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Black people from among the Japanese. Oh, wait, wait, wait.

[Tim Pool]

I'm allowed to say this one. Baka chon. Stupid Korean.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You are Korean.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. That's my word.

[Roger Simon]

They have a problem, except as concubines. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Interesting. There's a lot of slurs. Wow.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

There's lots of bad words that people see.

[Tim Pool]

This one's not fair, though. Eno means dog. And they call other people dogs. But, like, that's just calling him a dog.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's just calling someone a dog. Well, but then again, means female dog.

[Tim Pool]

Right, Right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And that is.

[Tim Pool]

That's true. Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. Bad word about women. Is that a slur?

[Tim Pool]

There's some pretty crazy Japanese words for black people.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's wild.

[Tim Pool]

It is pretty crazy.

[Roger Simon]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. This one is the. The Japanese has the K word.

[Ian Crossland]

What's that?

[Tim Pool]

They say it's Is equally as offensive as the nword. Oh, you want me to say Itian?

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, please.

[Ian Crossland]

Every day. No, no, keep that one in s. I'm.

[Tim Pool]

I'm only allowed to say slurs for Japanese or Koreans, but anybody can say slurs for white people because that's. That's. That was always allowed.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That was always allowed.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

For whatever reason.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we got to jump to this next story because, Tim, wait, before.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We go, do you support Black Lives Matter?

[Tim Pool]

Do I support the organization of Black Lives Matter?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Okay. I just wanted to know your opinion.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. Anyway, jump into this story from the Post. Millennial Brooklyn inmates dub Luigi Mangione ambassador as his popularity behind bars grows. When people get there and they don't know what's going on, he's kind of the one who welcomes them, allays their fears, and shows them the ropes. Well, he's been there, like, for what, eight months, nine months, trying to make this guy.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Andy Dufresne.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, right. Defense attorneys familiar with. With life inside MDC say his newfound ambassador status isn't surprising. When you murder somebody, it's a high profile case. You. Unless they get a certain status in jail, this is what they're doing. They're lionizing this guy to make him a hero when he gets out or in the event. I wouldn't be surprised, guys. I'm not predicting this is going to happen or is even likely, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a terror recognition raid on the mdc, breaking him out in the event we go into full scale armed conflict of some sort.

[Roger Simon]

That's interesting. It's a good idea for the right.

[Tim Pool]

Group, the far left terrorists.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah. They find the right group.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Would you support that?

[Tim Pool]

The, the far left detonating a bomb at a correctional facility to free an assassin?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. Would you?

[Tim Pool]

No, I would not support that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I just wanted.

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And how would you feel about that? Would you be pro or anti?

[Ian Crossland]

Understanding the idea to counter the action. So yes and no.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Okay. Are you pro or anti that?

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, I would not want to be in the neighborhood.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Okay. Yeah, fair.

[Tim Pool]

I feel like Ian's ideal government is with a bunch of criminals running around just like stealing everyone's stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

No, but who controls the military? It's as little government as possible. But who controls the military?

[Tim Pool]

That's what I always keep asking Ian. If you ever got your government, I would walk in and take your stuff with a smile on my face.

[Ian Crossland]

Not if there's a military and police. I mean, it's the same thing. Less government. Like I control the military. The problem with the our, with our representatives is they get bought out and bribed. So if we could somehow better represent ourselves to. Into the state. But who runs the military? It's always a small group of dudes. Like, can we get away from that? I don't.

[Tim Pool]

This, I do believe this idea of all our politicians are bribed is naivete.

[Ian Crossland]

Not all of them, but I know none of them.

[Tim Pool]

They get donations, like insider trading and stuff like that.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, let me budget like this for their campaign.

[Tim Pool]

There are members of Congress in Texas who are voting against Trump's policies on certain issues related to military industrial complex funding. And people said they're bought up by the corporations.

[Roger Simon]

I mean, it proves it.

[Tim Pool]

Why won't they vote for Trump? It's because in their district, a lot of people's salaries came from these companies. And if they voted to strip funding from these companies that manufacture weapons or utilities, these people would not vote for them. It wasn't that they were bribed, it's that they were literally representing their district. We got them by the balls.

[Ian Crossland]

The Corporations, they've. They've gripped their service.

[Tim Pool]

It's a lie.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, the corporations are embedded now. They serve the corp.

[Tim Pool]

This is the reality of our political system. System. A member of Congress in an area that produces oil will always vote for oil because they represent their district.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The wind farm jurisdiction goes. That person's put up by the oil industry.

[Ian Crossland]

And if there's a data center, they serve big tech.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. The reason why congressional approval ratings are so low is because everybody's rating everyone, every other member of Congress. But when you look at the district, the member of Congress usually has a very high approval rating.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, this is why this is always hilarious to me whenever gun control comes up. And it kind of. It hasn't come up in the same way for a while because the left knows that.

[Roger Simon]

Maybe it's not too popular.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Read the room. But they always go like, well, gun control isn't passed because these people are.

[Tim Pool]

Bought and paid for by the nra.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's like the NRA is not even close to, like, one of the top spenders in politics. But also. No, they're actually just American. The reason Americans are very pro gun is because it's written in our Constitution and part of our country's DNA, not because the NRA pays everybody off.

[Tim Pool]

That was funny, that point you were making the other day. I think you were making the other day about.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Probably about Devin on a Georgia. Oh, yeah, yeah. That didn't come for me originally, though. But I love that bit. There was a tweet that went viral where someone said the Devil Went down to Georgia is such a uniquely American song. Because in any other culture, the story of someone challenging the devil to a contest would end in him losing. But like in the Devil Went down to Georgia, he actually beats him. The devil at the fiddle playing some.

[Tim Pool]

Random hillbilly playing the fiddle like, America's so great the devil can't even get. Well, actually, the basis of the story is funny. The devil was. Was far behind and he needed to make a deal. And he couldn't even best some random yokel. American hubris.

[Ian Crossland]

Pro God, the devil's struggling, broke.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Hubris.

[Roger Simon]

That's true.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He used the power of God to defeat the devil.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, yes. But wouldn't a solid gold fiddle sound terrible and weigh thousands, weigh a lot and sound crummy?

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right. Classic Futurama.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's a good one's a good one.

[Roger Simon]

You need like. You guys think he was gonna get out?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

You think so?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Why because we are headed towards a civil war and Luigi Mangione is being lionized by the left to be a leader and hero for them.

[Ian Crossland]

You think like it'll get a pardon or something?

[Tim Pool]

No, I think they'll. Well, he'll get out in a variety of ways. He's not going to get convicted in a liberal jurisdiction, that's for sure. Didn't he. I mean, he's going to be on the stand and he's going to look at the jury and he's going to say, right. If you think the health care industry is doing good and doing right, then by all means convict me. Thank you and have a nice day. And they're going to go. He's free to go.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't maybe if they're stupid, but like they are doing right.

[Tim Pool]

People innovations are not this high class, intelligent, logical system.

[Ian Crossland]

You think they'll get manipulated.

[Roger Simon]

Have you ever been on a jury?

[Ian Crossland]

No.

[Roger Simon]

It is a real mind blowing experience.

[Ian Crossland]

I use, I did a practice jury run for this law firm once. But what did you do? Did you do jury?

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, I did jury in LA a couple times.

[Ian Crossland]

What was it like?

[Roger Simon]

It's spooky because the, the, the level of discussion that goes on between the jurors is like, you know, you want to run screaming from the room, like.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Why is it spooky? Talking about ghosts and stuff.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, well, they don't, they don't get a, B or C. They don't get anything. I mean, they don't hear a word that was said. They don't hear it. They always, they're calling the judge all the time to repeat what everybody knew, already knew. And then they still don't understand it when they bring it in.

[Ian Crossland]

So they don't listen. And then they only remember how they.

[Roger Simon]

Well, they may listen, but they don't hear. I mean, what, I can't say whether they were listening because they have to be in their head, but they certainly, they don't grasp it.

[Tim Pool]

He's pleaded not guilty, I believe. Correct.

[Ian Crossland]

I've heard that.

[Tim Pool]

I imagine what the defense may try doing, it's going to be tough. The judge won't let them. If they try and go for jury nullification and any overt sense the judge is going to shut it down. Unless it's a judge in a liberal district. Then they'll just be like, well, I'm going to allow it. And the defense need to only say to each member of the judge, jury, I want you to think back to any time you were injured, sick and had to use Health insurance and what the health insurance company said to you over the phone. Thank you. We rest our case.

[Ian Crossland]

If that was their argument, then the Federal Reserve you would argue is the same as these health insurance companies.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody calls the Federal Reserve and gets pissed off. Everybody gets sick and calls their insurance company and they get told no and they're mad.

[Ian Crossland]

But that argument in the future could be made about the Federal Reserve bankrupting things and be like, you know, if you're angry about the way they bankrupted our.

[Tim Pool]

You're making a false nonsense.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think it. Once health care is more emotional, we're not like going to court over, over it.

[Tim Pool]

Not a single, not a single American.

[Ian Crossland]

If a guy killed a guy, not.

[Tim Pool]

A single working class American calls the Federal Reserve to deal with money issues. Not once, not ever. They don't even know what it is. Yeah, what if you had.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's like there's like they just had a bunch of sitting there like listening to you talk about your finances.

[Ian Crossland]

They're like, I guess a banking CEO is.

[Roger Simon]

Who are they going to talk to?

[Ian Crossland]

Like they.

[Tim Pool]

If it was talking about the healthcare system. So back to that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So, yeah, I think you're right. Unfortunately, they probably could try something like that where they put the healthcare system on trial and oh, that's definitely what they're doing.

[Roger Simon]

That's what he does and this is what he did.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Because unfortunately, you know, modern people lack the nuance to understand that someone can do something bad. And that doesn't mean that it's okay to murder them. So this is a big part of how war propaganda works nowadays too, where in order to go to a war with a country, there's a lot of considerations, not just whether they're doing something wrong, but is this a last thing in serious, serious, grave injustice? Is this something you can actually realistically defeat? Is there, is there a reasonable prospect of victory? Will you do more harm than good by entering? We don't ask any of those. Will we be able to do this without targeting a bunch of civilians?

[Tim Pool]

And six.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And then is it fun? Oh, is it fun? Of course the number six. Is this fun? Is it is ever going to have.

[Roger Simon]

Usually it's usually fun.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But, but there's, there's all these questions you're supposed to ask. The only question that gets asked is, well, are there bad guys? Well, if there's bad guys, then we got to go do it. It's like, that's not how you do a moral calculation like that. And so similarly, okay, the healthcare system has a lot of problems. I Don't disagree. That doesn't mean you go around murdering people who are participating in the system.

[Ian Crossland]

I swear that you're right. And the good guy, bad guy, stupid dichotomy, fake thing from the superhero movies and from winning and losing and like, evil good. It's so terrifying to me that you can get people into lizard brain thinking they're doing something right by killing evil.

[Tim Pool]

Evil. What if we created a new government where if you wanted to vote, you had to pass some sort of intelligence test, but it wasn't a test that was administered. It's like, there is a meritocratic threshold that once you cross, you then qualify for voting and governance, like getting 10,000 subscribers.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So here's. Here's what happens.

[Tim Pool]

It would be something meritocratic based on your ability. Your ability to articulate a script into GPT. No, I. Political position that makes sense and is relevant to the system at play.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Here's. Here's the base level before we even begin to question you, as we ask how you'd feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning. And if you can't. If you can't deal with that hypothetical. And then. And then if your. If your answer is like, well, I would feel hungry. And also, I'm currently rotating a 3D apple in my head. And they're like, you get like, 12 votes, dude. You're. You're way there.

[Tim Pool]

And then Ian comes in and goes, I'm not just rotating the apple. I've dissected it into 128 unique pieces, and each are so spinning. Now, I've analyzed them down to the quantum level, and they're like, wow, this guy right this way. And they bring him to a padded room.

[Roger Simon]

You know, I think.

[Ian Crossland]

I think when I think about that.

[Roger Simon]

I say, whoa, that's interesting. But, you know, I wonder if the result would be better.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I think when, you know, we.

[Roger Simon]

Should buy all these people with it.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, wait, better idea. Everybody can vote, but we will have placed strategically around the country, country secret, I guess, auditors. And then if you're like that woman the other day who walks up to the Zoran guy and says, wait, that can't be real. He doesn't want to text white people. And they go, he does. No, this is wrong. He goes, wait, sorry, ma', am, I'm an auditor. Your voter id. You can't vote anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

Spoke outside the system, miss.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, what happens is you go on the whatever podcast.

[Roger Simon]

And while you're on.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The whatever podcast, they go, this person can't vote.

[Roger Simon]

This Person's stupid. This person's stupid.

[Tim Pool]

That's actually the test is if you can't. You can't beat a 20, 20 year old E girl in a debate. You don't get the vote anymore.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's a 20 year old E girl.

[Tim Pool]

Did you see the video? Did you see the video where the. Where she was like, name three countries.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And the woman's like, I can't.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Is that North Africa?

[Tim Pool]

She said what did she say? Italy, China, France. And she goes, you can't repeat Italy. And she goes, I don't know. And she's like, what's above us? And she goes, I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

What country are we in?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then she goes, what's. What's below us? And she goes, Alaska.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Europe.

[Ian Crossland]

Europe.

[Tim Pool]

And then. And then when they go, it's Mexico, she goes, but isn't Mexico to the side? Yeah. No, for you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, actually, no, she's not wrong, cuz depending on how you tilt the earth. Right?

[Tim Pool]

Correct. It's all a matter of perspective.

[Roger Simon]

Oh, so it depends on your perspective of where you. Where you're sitting.

[Ian Crossland]

I will say this aligns with what you're saying.

[Roger Simon]

Where in the universe are you about juries, man?

[Ian Crossland]

How, How? Just I live in the kind of a bubble assuming people are not ignorant that they all know.

[Roger Simon]

Oh no. I mean, also. So I was in two different kinds of juries. I was on a criminal case and a business case. Now a business case is spookier because they don't understand anything about.

[Tim Pool]

Morning, Zoe.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Got donuts.

[Tim Pool]

Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage? Well, I dig the mattress and I.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Want to be in a T mobile commercial like you.

[Tim Pool]

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[Roger Simon]

Wow, impressive.

[Tim Pool]

Let me try.

[Seamus Coughlin]

T mobile is the best place to.

[Roger Simon]

Get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network. Nice.

[Tim Pool]

Jeffrey, you heard them.

[Ian Crossland]

T mobile is the best place to.

[Tim Pool]

Get the new iPhone 17 Pro.

[Roger Simon]

All the want us with eligible traded in any condition.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So what are we having for launch?

[Tim Pool]

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[Roger Simon]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, my gosh.

[Roger Simon]

And there's a millions of dollars of lawsuits going, going on. And you're sitting there and you're going, what is going on? I mean, you're wondering what process you're involved with here.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you think the jury system would be better if it was like decentralized and there are pockets all around the place of jury pools that were all going to cast a vote on this. So, like it was televised the trial and that people all over would vote. You'd have like 10,000 people would vote into their little pods.

[Tim Pool]

30 here, 30 here, 30 here. Hey, I like to say get a more. Let's do this. Every criminal trial has that. You can opt in to the public national trial system. You text your vote in and anybody, everybody in the country gets to vote whether you're innocent or guilty. And that's just it. And if everybody finds you guilty, that's it. You're cooked. But it's an option. It's an option. And so they televised the trial and they say, everybody text your verdict now, now during deliberations. And then it'll be like, you know, ask the audience to go and it'll be like, you're not guilty. And the people of this country, we've got 7 million 392 votes. Not guilty. It is. And they'll make true crime podcasts about what you did and stuff like that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Roger Simon]

And the AI, it's a good place for some corruption.

[Tim Pool]

No, I think you're substantially less likely to. If it's a true system where it's actually decentralized voting, it is a substantially higher chance of being correct.

[Roger Simon]

Oh, no, absolutely is. I was being sarcastic. But yeah, it also is an opportunity for corruption. But that's, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

For like AI to, to kick the algorithm.

[Roger Simon]

Not only that, it's, you know, people being, you know, bribed for this, that the other.

[Tim Pool]

We got to make this short film. That's a great idea. And it's like a guy gets arrested for murder called jury pool. They have the trial and then everybody in the country watches.

[Roger Simon]

Well, do you think Manjun would get off then? He might, yes, because of the same reason he would come down like, oh, it's the health care system. It sucks.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think this guy's going to get off. I can't imagine that.

[Roger Simon]

Well, you can't. But it possible.

[Tim Pool]

Trump got convicted and he didn't even commit a crime.

[Ian Crossland]

Corruption could get him off. But in a legit case.

[Tim Pool]

There's no legit case. Listen, legit case never existed one time, Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

Never once in the history of man.

[Tim Pool]

In the history of man, there has never been a quote, unquote, legit case.

[Ian Crossland]

John Adams represented the British. That was legit.

[Tim Pool]

The point I am making is you need to watch Star Trek, the Next Generation. I'm sorry.

[Ian Crossland]

I've seen them all.

[Tim Pool]

So, you know when it turns out Warf's father wasn't the traitor and I.

[Ian Crossland]

Don'T remember him all.

[Tim Pool]

See, the issue was they didn't want to clear Wharfstad's neck name because it would have negatively impacted the political structure of Kronos. So they said, look, we get it. Your dad had honor, but we're not going to expose this because of things that. Order. Yeah, exactly. Order is more important. And so that's what you will get in every single circumstance. You can go before a judge being innocent, and the judge is going to go, we don't have time for this. Out. So there's two scenarios. Let's say you're actually guilty, Ian. You punched a woman in the face. And there's no. No, it's your versus theirs. And the cops arrested you. And you go over the judge and he says, they're offering you a plea deal. Okay? It's gonna be one week and 20 hours of community service. And you go, I want a jury trial. They're gonna go, a jury trial is gonna cost us tens of thousands of dollars. Waste all of our time. And you go, jury trial or nothing. And they're gonna go, case dismissed. You're free to go. Then there's the other circumstance where you are innocent, innocent, wrongly arrested. And you say, I want a jury trial. And they're gonna go, that's gonna. Here's the reality. In most lesser crimes, requesting a jury trial can get your case dismissed outright. If you got a ticket, request a jury trial. I want a jury trial. They're gonna be like, okay, dude, we don't want the 50 bucks. You can go home. Jury trial gets them to cave in two seconds. Because the system is not about actually finding justice. That means mechanism. Yeah, well, at some point, it was trying the best it could to get justice in these events. But I'm telling you the same thing. If there was a community of 100 people and they caught a guy from outside the community robbing a store or he was accused of it, the people who live, they're going to say, Listen, don't know, don't care. I don't care about that guy. He's guilty. That was always going to be the case. It was even with the fair system, which did a much, much better job. You are going to find that there'll be some guy who's. There's two people, the preacher's son and a stranger. They don't know. And they're going to be like, listen, my son's a good kid. He made a mistake. Just lock up the stranger. We don't know who that person is and no one will be upset about it. They'd say, okay, man.

[Ian Crossland]

Having an impartial thing is like good luck. Another fantasy term.

[Tim Pool]

Luigi, look at this guy. Was. Was arrested for calling for assassination of Trump and he got acquitted in 2 hours.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Hours.

[Tim Pool]

Despite saying he wanted someone to drive. He'd pay for it. He'd go there. All that stuff. Mangione is gonna, is. Is gonna play this game where he's the ambassador now, they like him and he's gonna tell. He's gonna go to each and every person and say it was self defense.

[Ian Crossland]

So he admitted killing the guy.

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't know where we're at with the case yet. I'm saying the play the left will make is that he's. He's not guilty by reason of self defense. And they're gonna make some novel argument about when these systems are destroying the lives and killing people.

[Ian Crossland]

People.

[Tim Pool]

Sooner or later someone tries to defend him. And this man with his back problems that he had suffered and the insurance companies refusing to help him, they are responsible for the pain that he caused. I mean, these are people who say healthcare is a human right. Okay? That's the angle they're gonna play. And what they're gonna do is instead of arguing what is right and wrong, they're gonna go to people and say, do you remember that time, you know what really great example is the Family Guy joke when Peter claimed that his proctology exam was rape. You ever see this one?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes. And then the doctor.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And he's like, he's like, do you remember, judge, you got a proctology exam? And he goes, as far as I can recall, it was a standard exam. And he goes, are you sure? Are you sure it wasn't terrifying in black and white with a thunderstorm? And then he remembers back and it looked like a horror film. And he goes, he's guilty. He's guilty. They're gonna play that game. They're gonna say, Luigi Mangioni was defending Himself. Don't you recall the last time you were on the phone with your health insurance provider? And everyone is gonna have one of these cases. I don't know a single person who was like, I've only ever had great things happen.

[Roger Simon]

This is number one one jury nullification case, right? Yep, exactly. It's really sad. What do you think about it?

[Tim Pool]

They're gonna, they're gonna get him on gun possession in New York. They're gonna be like, okay, well, if not the murder, then possession. And everyone's gonna go, sure. And he's gonna get a couple years time served.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, I don't.

[Tim Pool]

That's so wild.

[Roger Simon]

And he's gonna get a lot of girlfriends.

[Ian Crossland]

I've seen women talk.

[Roger Simon]

He's got him already.

[Tim Pool]

Well, to be. To be fair, serial killers get girlfriends each. Either way, women love murderers. I'm not joking.

[Roger Simon]

No, no, you're not. It's very well known phenomena.

[Tim Pool]

Just do a jury of all women. And they're gonna, they're gonna get this guy off simply because they like the way he looks.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, man. I'd like to see the evidence of the case. Because if he admits to killing the guy, you can't let him off.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, you can't. But they're gonna do it anyway. Now in the Donald Trump felony case, that's pretty dark. Trump was not even accused of instructing someone to force falsify to documents. Here's the case. In New York, Donald Trump ran a company in a campaign. His lawyer took it upon himself to pay off Stormy Daniels. Because I just kind of knew what Trump wanted. Trump never told me to do it though. Okay, Trump's guilty. That's what happened. What crime was Trump accused of covering up? We don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, the Trump stuff, I don't even know if it's worth pushing. I'm going to push back a little. Is that he was a high value political target during that time period. This guy's a hypothetical murderer. Nobody like a guy off the street. It's not a political.

[Tim Pool]

They make saint candles of him, bro. Yeah, they dress up in Luigi costumes.

[Ian Crossland]

Fouchy too, but he ain't, you know.

[Tim Pool]

And Fouche's also not going to go to prison. How about that? Yeah. Anyway, my friends, worse, we are going to go to the backstage chats. So chat now. Any of your questions, we'll start reading those, we'll grab them up in real time.

[Roger Simon]

Time.

[Tim Pool]

This is the Friday special show if you want to join and watch backstage from 1 until 4pm Every Friday we're experimenting. This is our second week trying it out. It's actually going pretty well. Make sure you go to timcast.com, join the Discord server. My friends, unity and community is our strength. Right? That was plural, so it should have been R. But I'm saying community is our strength. If you guys want to join a community of tens of thousands of individuals. Individuals. And you want to fight back and preserve what you believe in, join our Discord server and you'll get access to the Backstage Pass on Fridays where you can then send in your conversation and we're going to read your chats, which will be very fun. And we'll do it now.

[Ian Crossland]

I figured out what my government style is. It's unism. Not comm. Unison, just unism. Unity, community. It's instead of communism, it's just unison.

[Tim Pool]

Like what, you just beat people until they claim they agree with you.

[Ian Crossland]

They just all agree with me anyway. I don't need to beat anybody.

[Tim Pool]

It all works.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Works Unism.

[Tim Pool]

All right. We got this from Minty. He says, I suspect the next civil war after one kicks off first inspiring others will be spanning the entire west and will culminate into a pseudo reconquista in which Islam and Wokeism will be forced out and outlawed across the West. What say you?

[Seamus Coughlin]

That would be. That would be based. If we could do it, you could force leftism and Aslan. Here's the thing about leftism is what I want everyone to remember. I've said this before. I'll say it again. Leftism is the ideological rationalization that is given to social decay. It's not just some ideology that creeps or can be pushed out as soon as people start neglecting the duties necessary to fulfill given their state in life. You have. And they start rationalizing it with arguments. That's leftism. That's always what leftism is. And we're.

[Roger Simon]

That's a very good observation.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Thank you.

[Roger Simon]

I have to say.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you think that some version of leftism is valuable?

[Seamus Coughlin]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

Like the idea of like thinking outside the box.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Nothing about it is good.

[Tim Pool]

No. It is.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Confined in a small cage as a reminder of what could be so that people never deviate from the functioning system.

[Ian Crossland]

Rightism is.

[Tim Pool]

Is some.

[Ian Crossland]

Rightism is good.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Rightism is morally complicated. But I would say is this everywhere that the left has ever come to power. Throughout history they've slaughtered innocent Christians. The only time the left has not done that is when they've been marginalized by a strong enough right wing movement to Prevent them from doing that.

[Roger Simon]

The reason people who are Christian too. Oh, no.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, 100%. 100%. But the reason I think it's important to emphasize Christian is because the left came to be with the French Revolution. That's where we get the terms left and right from. And the left was there to slaughter Christians. They abused nuns, murdered priests, and also murdered nuns. Their whole goal from the beginning has been to oppose the Catholic Church and the church's interest and to slaughter innocent people. And so resistance to that is gonna be a good thing. But that doesn't always mean the right is gonna have good political goals. It just means the left's political goals are always going to be bad.

[Ian Crossland]

Because like, the left is about overthrowing tradition and the right is about maintaining tradition. But if you maintain, if you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, the right is about.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let me.

[Ian Crossland]

A problem with the right maybe that could come about is that they obsess over traditions for the same sake of it because. Just because they don't want to get rid of it because they're so tired of the left breaking up tradition and it's a tradition that maybe should be gone.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, here's the, here's the thing. I don't think so. The left is always going to be terrible. The right is going to be good insofar as it adheres to truth. The right is always basically going to be what we call any force that's fighting the left. And sometimes the forces that fight in the left aren't great, but they're generally going to be better than the left because again, the left just wants to slaughter innocent people. So I wouldn't agree that the right is always good or anything, anything like that. I think the right is just what we call the force that opposes the left. In some countries they have good, healthy right wing movements. In other countries they have stupid, silly right wing movements or they have both or both. Or both.

[Tim Pool]

Let's read this one from idk. We got here from idk. He says you guys often misspeak when describing AI, saying things like it learns from the Internet. I'm going to pause there. Actually, one of the big controversies is that Chat, GPT and GROK were compiling data from Reddit and Wikipedia Reddit editors, right? And, and X. It is, it is a fact that X was compiling training data from X posts. And so when they turned off the weird woke articles it went griper. So this is true. It does this. Hello. He goes on to say, ever consider having a mid level AI expert on someone that actively works in the field and isn't doing theoretical or high level. The actual agentic systems behind these things are making a huge difference in how you engage. Example GPT API responds drastically different than the website version. Same for most web based AI systems, due to the fact you aren't talking to one single AI in those places. Indeed, there are third party video generation sites that can use Sora 2 and the GPT AI to make things that otherwise ChatGPT wouldn't allow you to do. So if you go on Sora and say you want to make a video but it's offensive, it'll tell you, I can't do this. But if you use a third party that pays into the API, it'll do it for you. So that's because they're concerned about having something attached to their brand.

[Ian Crossland]

Is that how they get like Mr. Rogers and there's history, Tupac and all that?

[Tim Pool]

Okay, well, so early on with Sora too, they didn't have these restrictions. They've added them since then, so now it's harder to do. But there are, there are a bunch of these services. If you Google and it's expensive, but you can make a video they will not make. You can get it to say things that GPT normally would not say. Indeed.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But yes, we would consider having that person on it would be a great culture war show.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That'd be amazing to talk to an AI expert. It's just sad because some of these people, some of these people are loony. Like, you'll talk to an AI expert who'll say, it's alive, it feels things. I'm like, be quiet. That's ridiculous. But insofar as they know about the technological infrastructure behind it, that's got to be a fascinating topic.

[Roger Simon]

Has anybody got on the new Wikipedia version that Musk is doing?

[Tim Pool]

It's called Grokopedia. It's fantastic.

[Roger Simon]

Is it?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. All right. Almighty Buffalo says, Seamus, do the promo for Twisted Plot like Tim has prescribed and I'll go do my part to fund Twisted Plots.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Listen, I'm just doing it sincerely from the heart, you should.

[Tim Pool]

No, wait, no, dude, he's prompting you.

[Ian Crossland]

Like you're an AI.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. Listen, if you guys want to help build the future of entertainment, if you want right wing media, if you want to push back against the left's monopoly and entertainment, support Twisted Plots, that's what we're doing. I'm not trying to get caught up with like the exact right way to present it or the exact right way to say it. If you Guys want to help us create the show? You want to help us create the future? Go to twisted plots.com. give us $25. We're making an awesome show. You guys are going to love it. It's going to help fight the culture war.

[Tim Pool]

You got to go like this. Good evening, America. Allow me to first apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of everyday routine, the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful, bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday. I thought we could mark this November 5th, a day that is sadly, no longer remembered by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have little. A little chat. There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shed into telephones and men with guns will soon be on their way. And then you got to show like woke people and like, I'm not supposed.

[Seamus Coughlin]

To call them blokes. Remember, it's like, what's like this? Remember those roi on calling people blokes?

[Tim Pool]

Remember those leftists who had weapons and took pictures of themselves posing in.

[Seamus Coughlin]

In Portland.

[Tim Pool]

You got to show that. And then you've got to mention, so you say is where once there, you had the freedom to absolutely object, to think and speak as you saw fit. You now have censors and black lesbians in every show on Netflix. How did this happen? Who's to. Well, certainly there are those who are more responsible than others. And you can show like Dylan Mulvaney.

[Roger Simon]

Well, the black lesbians are reproducing very fast.

[Tim Pool]

And then you say there were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What is this?

[Tim Pool]

Wokeness got the best. This is the quote. This is this the whole speech that he gives. Okay, Wokeness got the best of you. And in your panic, you turned to the now high Netflix CEO or Kathleen Kennedy Disney. And then you can say, you skip ahead. I think it'd be really great. But you got to say, you want me to quote.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You want me to do a V for Vendetta monologue.

[Tim Pool]

That's the. If you see as I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, and I ask you to stand beside me@ twisted plots.com and together we shall fund a show that shall never be forgotten.

[Seamus Coughlin]

In my Own words. We're creating the future of entertainment. It's got to be grassroots. It's got to be right wings. We're making an awesome show. We're pushing back against the left. See for yourself. The pilots available if you support@ twisted plots.com.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, hold on. So. So Seamus and I did work on this the other night for a gag video that I'll.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, don't spoil it.

[Tim Pool]

Don't spoil it. You should also do next week how you should. You should show like a parody version of V for Vendetta where.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh my gosh, the.

[Tim Pool]

The TV screens change from. Okay, so.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So here Guy Fawkes was a Catholic theocrat. The left tries to own him.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly, exactly. So what you do is you have him actually say that is.

[Ian Crossland]

It is Twisted Plots. Like twisted, like dark.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, it's. It's a play on. It's like plot twists. Right. But also it's an anthology series, so some of the humor is kind of dark and the scenarios are just crazy. Different scenarios for us to explore every week.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like Black Mirror.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, it's like an anthology series.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay. Yeah, have me on, man.

[Seamus Coughlin]

All right. It's a cart. Yeah, I'm gonna.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna read this.

[Roger Simon]

I'm gonna have a look at it.

[Tim Pool]

We got you. We got Saint Misfit here who says Tim asked if Maga. Maga or the general right wing would be willing to engage in coercive violence, fraud. It's course of force, by the way. Fraud or cheat an election. In other words, the classic Aristotle in anarchistic libertarian view is that democracy itself is coercive violence. Two wolves and a sheep voting for. For dinner. So voting could be defensive violence. I've never said coercive violence. I said coercive force. In that case, rigging an election couldn't be any more wrong than voting. And in that case, I've never argued that either. In that case, what you were voting to reduce the state. Reduce the co of coercive violence. Rigging would actually be ethically justifiable. You can't commit crimes against a criminal organization. My argument is about coercive force. That means there are various types of force. How you can make something, Someone do something, something you want. You can coerce them. Like, if you don't, I will do bad thing. There's manipulative force, which is, oh, you actually always wanted to do bad thing. Bad thing is good for you. Tricking them. And physical violence to coerce them into doing it by. I'm going to beat you now and then beating them, and then until they say, please stop, I'll do what you want. My point with the voting is if there are evil people who have said, we've corrupted your system, we control the Senate and we will purge the General Jedi, would you then say, he must be stopped. He's too evil. The Sith control everything. Would you be willing to do it? Well, the reality is, if a Sith Lord controls the Galactic Senate and you just say we will go to the system by which he controls, then you lose. That was Mace Windu. I'm not saying he was right. Anakin was also dumb. Mace Windu was dumb because he should have been like, okay, Anakin, we'll try him. And then when Anakin turned around, he could have killed. Kill them then. You know what I mean? But my point ultimately is if you are unwilling to use force to defend your system, your system will cease to exist. Fact. It's just a fact. I'm not saying it'll cease immediately, but at some point it will be destroyed by those who are willing to use force.

[Ian Crossland]

You create a protective bubble that requires force. And then also that guy at the very end of his chat said, you can't do crime against a criminal organization, but that's not true. You can definitely commit crimes against criminal.

[Tim Pool]

Criminals indeed. Yes.

[Roger Simon]

The Mafia.

[Tim Pool]

All right, well. Well, there you go. Moving on. We got Ron Quay says, do you guys think that these cases against BLM will actually get anywhere? It seems like all those retribution, all this retribution is very slow going. They haven't announced a bunch, and we haven't really seen action. If they have these cases in liberal jurisdictions, they will all be acquitted with smiles on their faces.

[Roger Simon]

Well, I think. Yeah, I think they know that too, at the doj. I mean, I'm sure Cash knows that. But on the other hand, the guy's question is right, you know, I mean, it's just. It's. We can't hold our breath on this.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Let's see, what do we got here? I don't know. What is this?

[Ian Crossland]

You figured it out. Otherwise I'm gonna start talking about communism.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go. Wow. So earlier this morning, the FBI announced they'd stopped a terror attack. It's now being revealed there was an ISIS connected Halloween terror attack in Dearborn, Michigan.

[Roger Simon]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. Shout out to Raven Margaret for that chat. Posting the link from Jack Besobit.

[Roger Simon]

You're right in the belly of the beast. At the Airborne. I mean, a terror attack in. I read the same backyard and I started to figure out Out. What was the attack going to be in, dear boy?

[Tim Pool]

I guess.

[Roger Simon]

But Dearborn is, you know, essentially isosympathetic.

[Tim Pool]

That's what I'm saying. It's their own backyard.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah. So I. I don't know what the.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we got Dr. Tenor. Sheriff says blackjack is the only casino game you can get thrown out of. Thrown out for being too good. Steven Bridges is a magician who learned to count cards and has a bunch of videos on his YouTube channel where he traveled America with a team. It's a fun watch. Indeed. You will get thrown out for being too good at blackjack because blackjack is one of the best games in a casino. As the lowest edge, it's like 50%.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Your chance. The edge of the house is like 0.5 3.

[Roger Simon]

What's the edge in craps is very low too.

[Tim Pool]

7. It might be like either. I think it might be 1 ish. 1.1.

[Roger Simon]

That's what I used to do when I gambled simply because I was too lazy to count cards.

[Tim Pool]

Best bet in a casino is the odds bet on a craps line. So if you play the pass line and then bet odds, it has zero edge. Yeah, it pays straight up. And then there's always the best room in the casino, the one room that isn't gambling. And that's the poker room.

[Roger Simon]

Yes. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

That's psychology.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah. That's like. And that's where I really got nervous.

[Tim Pool]

This is the funniest anybody who thinks that poker is gambling. Let's play double board plo. You versus me. Thousand dollars buy in and we'll see how much money you walk away with. Because like, most people are going to go, I don't know what PLO is.

[Ian Crossland]

What is it?

[Tim Pool]

What is double board? A pot limit Omaha. So we're going to play a double board pot limit Omaha game. You try. And this is the point. People don't understand what poker is. They think poker is sitting down at a table and playing blackjack. It's not. Nope. 80% of winning hands are not the best hand. And famously Phil Hellmuth joked. I don't know if he was joking. He. He claimed he would fold aces pre flop. Because in. In an instance where someone raises against you in a tournament and he's considered to be one of the best tournament players, he has more bracelets than any other poker player. He's won more tournaments at the high. At the pro level, aces is the best hand. Everyone says, you get it, you raise until you're all in. He said, no, I'D fold him because you get free chips from people when you play aggressively against them. So why enter into a position where you have any, any chance of, of losing? And everyone said he was crazy and it's stupid. I think it's kind of crazy to say that the greatest tournament player or the tournament player with the most amount of wins is wrong. And I've actually argued this point too. If you're playing a cash game, especially I was saying this the other last week with Elad, fold queens, pre flop, and queens is the third best possible hand you could be dealt, but you still have a 20% chance to lose. Just fold them. Why gamble? So here, here's, here's how it goes down in, in, in a typical poker hand, majority of hands are going to go like this. I get dealt cards, I'm in an advantageous position, I look down, hand is good. Let's call it ace, queen suited. Not bad. So it's a, it's a one, two game. I bet $20, I get two callers. There's now $40 addition to the pot with a total of 60 plus maybe the blinds called. So you're looking at, I don't know, 63 bucks. The chances of someone connecting with the board is like one in the three, which means between these players, I can bet the size of the pot if I don't even connect with it and they're going to fold and I get that money without ever having actual show the cards, do a calculation or anything like that. It's called the continuation bet. And when you play aggressive, most of the time they'll just fold and you get the money and you never have to bother. You can do this with literally any hand. It's not gambling. I mean, you can argue it's gambling in that people might call you, they might connect, fine, but you don't even need to actually use the cards. So you get seven deuce, same play, you get aces, same play. And then the reality is with, with stronger hands, you're, you're entering into these bets and raising the bets because you actually have a very high chance of winning. So anyway, shout out to Helmuth, who actually said you could do it, you could do it.

[Roger Simon]

So you, you're still getting. I haven't played poker in a long time. I used to play, but right now with those new cheating things that have been, oh, yeah, whoa. I would be very nervous in any game, you know, well, okay, leave, lose $30, fine. But any kind of really significant level, you're going to start wondering whether Whether somebody's got a video camera hidden somewhere that you're not even seeing.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they're doing all sorts of crazy stuff. But the thing about those cheating cases, that it proves that those guys were dumb as a box of rocks and didn't understand poker because you don't cheat that way. To work win poker, that, that was the Mafia being like, I don't actually know how poker works. So let's get camera machines. And the reality cheating in poker is super easy. If we were at a poker table and we got five players, which is low, and I wanted to cheat, I would just say to Ian, you and I are on a team. Anytime you jam, I'll jam. At the end of the night, we'll split our money. That gives us 2 to 1 odds against any player who tries to bet against them. And so here's what happens. And the people run tables like this. They run table teams. Let's say I get dealt a moderately good hand and then you raise. Ian looks at as a moderately good hand and says, okay, I'm all in. Okay, so he's up against you. We don't know what he's got. He could have aces. I'll go all in. That gives us a greater than 50% chance of beating you and taking all your money. Even with the best hand in poker.

[Roger Simon]

Yeah, no, it's true, but I mean.

[Tim Pool]

That'S how you cheat. So the idea that they got these rigged machines and did all this, it's laughably absurd. Anyway, let's grab some more. All right. Atmore says. Tim Cass, thank you for bringing the show to the Discord. Many ideas. Ideas. I have more great ideas. You have a ton of talent, Discord. You don't have to look too far for talent and ideas. Explore and use this pool of talent. Indeed. Excellent post. Everybody should join the Discord. The challenge is management. We have talked quite a bit about game development and art and all of that stuff that the Discord community needs to be involved in. The challenge is getting proper management. But we've been working on it. As you've noticed, we've done the 6pm call in shows with our third channel hosts. So we are, we are working on it, building it up. And the idea we had a long time ago was to release the code to our video game to the Discord to finish it. I don't know what happened. I know a lot of people say they wish I was more involved in managing it, but I have to manage literally everything too much. I have to host the shows, produce the shows. 3 to 4 per day as well as. And this week, even this week, it was difficult with slow news. I didn't get very many Tim Pool shows up, which is the new channel. And then I've got to manage the boonies companies, negotiate and work with the team on the ad sales products, cast brew, all of this stuff. Then there's the other shows, then I have family time. So it's just. It's increasingly difficult to do.

[Ian Crossland]

We got to get the code to Discord for sure.

[Tim Pool]

I thought we already did.

[Ian Crossland]

I think we didn't. I think there was some sort of legal hump.

[Tim Pool]

It was the Freedom Tunes game.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah. It's still Normie Quest.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah, we were working on Normie Quest. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And the art was there and the characters were there and the items were there. And it should be free. You could play the game right now. And it was. It was fun.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah, there were.

[Roger Simon]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

Good physics. It could be a really good, like, based.

[Seamus Coughlin]

There was a lot that was really, really fun about that.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we've got Guido Tard says Anderson County, South Carolina, is trying to get people to vote yes on the fourth to add a penny tax, a sales tax increase. Those who want it are using the threat of an increase in property tax. I see this as extortion, personally. Our roads are a mess and this is what they claim the taxes for. How do we get people to see this and vote for these corrupt idiots I out of office? You can't, because they're offering free stuff to people. This is the problem of this system. Now, the problem with monarchy is any kind of unilateral control or autocratic control. You'll get someone who's cruel and inept. There's no guarantee you get a good person. The benefit is maybe one day you get a magnanimous, noble, intelligent king, philosopher king who can actually do a good job. But then what? Who's the next king? The chairman?

[Roger Simon]

It's reversed.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly, exactly. The problem with democracy is you get locked in the system and there's no way to break out of it. Sorry, I just don't. There's no. There's no real good answer for what. What was the question? People keep voting against their interest and we're getting taxed into oblivion. Taxes will go up to their 100 and the system will explode.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it might seem like it's free stuff, but at what cost?

[Roger Simon]

Amen.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we got. We got another one here. This one is from Royal Beasts. He says, can't Republicans do what California is trying to do and temporarily remove the filibuster for a few years, like Newcome is trying to do for this Cali election. And Elon Musk is on the new Joe Rogan episode. Elon Musk, again, should be interesting here about the. The. The AI stuff. I don't care about temporary removing it. Just get rid of it. The idea is don't let Democrats win. That's it. Remove the filibuster. Use all the power you can. Democrats never win another election. Don't let them win. All right. Bert says, given that the judge who indicated she'll force Trump to pay for food stamps was approved 940 by the Senate, among other examples, how can we hold the GOP senators accountable without losing any ground? You know, look, with all due respect to Senator Rand Paul, these senators cannot even tread too far outside the line. Otherwise, I'll never get elected again. So I bring on a pundit or a political personality, and they can say something like, yep, Snap's gotta go. I bring on senator, and he says, look, it's not a good system, but we gotta wean off it. I don't want it to stop.

[Roger Simon]

Exactly. Because they're. They're working for other people.

[Tim Pool]

Here's your answer. Abolish the 17th, then. The senators aren't beholden to a popular vote. They're appointed by a legislature, and so there's much less pressure, and they can say whatever they want and the state legislature can recall them if it gets bad enough. But then you'll have senators actually representing states. All right. Trucking Vets has two comments for the panel. If they like a quote from Rush. Never underestimate the Republican Party's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's. That's right.

[Tim Pool]

Constitutional amendments are the result of a great deal of momentum. That said, would the panel be willing to start making waves for one amendment that repeals the 16th and 17th amendments and renders this repeal irrevocable? You can't do that, though. You can't say you can never amend it. It can always be amended. The 16th allows Congress to levy an income tax on individuals and corporations without apportioning it among the states based on population bad. 17th allows the population regular vote for the Senate. Also very bad. So, yeah.

[Roger Simon]

Yep. Yeah. The Senate one's more important, I think.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Roger Simon]

At this point.

[Tim Pool]

All right, I think we got time for one more. Let's see. We got this one from GSS Terror. I know a legal way to get AOC out of office. She is. She better in office? Or would it be worse if she wasn't in office? Being campaigning wise and having all of this free time. I, I don't, I don't know. She shouldn't be in office. She's a bad member of.

[Roger Simon]

Well, she has all the free time anyway. Being in office is free time, right?

[Tim Pool]

So they spend almost all their day. Like I was talking to my wife about this and she was like I was explaining that members of Congress don't actually do that, don't work. They campaign.

[Roger Simon]

That's all they do and raise money.

[Tim Pool]

So what happened was we were talking about how they'll always vote for food stamps and, and I said every member of Congress, not a single one, is going to come out and say vote for me, I'll take your benefits away. And then she was like, yes, but what are the ones who already are elected? And I'm like, the election's every two years. They don't stop campaigning ever. Ever. So you know, we're trapped. But my friends, this has been Friday backstage irl. Thank you so much for hanging out. Smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast. This has been a blast. Thank you to the members of our Discord to community. If you want to watch the full three hour version, guess what? It only exists for the Discord community. That's right. The first hour of pre production we were jamming, playing music not recorded. So it's only backstage live you get to watch it. Join our discord [e-mail] click join us. We really do appreciate it. Roger, do you want to shout anything out?

[Roger Simon]

No, I. I want to come back. That was a lot of fun and I, I'll want to come back when my book comes out so that I can have hype it. But not just that. I mean I'm a little worried about people reading. I think reading should come back in a big wave because it's TikTok out food for the brain.

[Tim Pool]

Amen.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It will after society collapses.

[Ian Crossland]

Reading. Good stuff because it's like a form of brainwashing. And sometimes washing is a very good thing to do indeed.

[Tim Pool]

Where can people find you?

[Roger Simon]

Well, not yet. They'll find it on Amazon of course. I've got a whole bunch of books on Amazon if you don't want. I can't catch up. I mean this is going to be my 15th book.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Right on for you. What's going on, Ian?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I got Roger, I got your X account. You said you don't not always on real Roger Simon on X in case people are gonna follow you.

[Roger Simon]

But the substack I have is much more important now.

[Ian Crossland]

I met.

[Roger Simon]

You know, it's. You can just Google Roger Simon substacking.

[Ian Crossland]

All right.

[Roger Simon]

On boom.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, thanks, Roger. And I'm at Ian Crossland. You find me at Ian Crossland on X. You know all the websites, YouTube and Instagram. I've been working heavily on AI I'm getting ready to go produce a graphene documentary down at Rice University where I'm going to electrocute some carbon, create some hydrogen gas, release some fuel, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Just don't get cut by the radioactive piece of graphene, otherwise you might become graphene man.

[Ian Crossland]

Can't promise that. I'm not going to turn into a superhero. So I'll see you after I get back. If I don't see you beforehand. Catch you later, guys.

[Seamus Coughlin]

My name is Seamus Coughlin. I have produced over 700 animated video videos. I've gained over a million subscribers and 290 million views with $0 spent on marketing. The left currently owns and dominates the most advanced and effective infrastructure for storytelling that has ever existed throughout all of history. Which is a complete disaster because people form their opinions based on the stories that they see. We are pushing back against that, not only through the short cartoons that we've been doing for Freedom Tunes, but also now, now by branching out into making a full length animated show. We've already got the 25 minute long pilot fully animated. If you want to see that, you can go to twisted plots.com and support our show. The future of entertainment needs to be grassroots. It needs to be right wing. It needs to be created by people who don't hate you, who don't hate your family, and who aren't going to use it for destructive purposes to chip away at your society, but to build civilization up. So go over to twisted plots.com and support us before it's too, too late. Twisted plots. We've got two weeks left. Twistedplots.com give us $25. We've got the team, we've got the infrastructure, We've got the track record and the experience. Give me your support and we will be unstoppable.

[Tim Pool]

Give him $50.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

There's an old saying, Seamus. It's you get what you ask for.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Say give me a. Give me $100. And then you want to add what's called a sense of urgency. If you don't, the world will explode.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I hate to break it to you, the world won't explode. But we got two weeks left and the left dominates entertainment. And if we don't do something about that, they're gonna destroy the country. There's zero question about it. We have to fight back. I'm fighting back. Very few people in the entertainment sphere are fighting back in an effective right wing way. We are. Go to twistedplots.com and support us. Don't give your money to Netflix or Paramount for your entertainment. Help us create the future of entertainment.

[Roger Simon]

Clinton Eastwood's getting pretty old indeed.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody. This has been, this has been backstage IRL special. Thank you guys so much for hanging out. We're of course gonna have segments throughout the week. Weekend. We're back on Monday. It's going to be great. We got a bunch of awesome guests next week. It's going to get pretty wild. So thank you all so much for hanging out and we'll see you next time.