Trump Claims Total Victory, Court Eliminates $500M Fine In NY Fraud Case w/ Mike Crispi

Summary

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Timcast IRL – August 22, 2025

Episode: "Trump Claims Total Victory, Court Eliminates $500M Fine In NY Fraud Case w/ Mike Crispi"
Host: Tim Pool
Guests/Panel: Mike Crispi, Mary Morgan, Tate Brown, Producer Frankie, Others
Main Theme:
A wide-ranging panel discussion on Donald Trump’s legal victory in New York's fraud case, immigration policy developments, rising public safety measures in American cities, demographic/cultural change, automation, and the future of America’s national identity. The episode delivers unscripted, strongly opinionated takes from a right-wing populist perspective.

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Episode Overview

This episode opens in the wake of a major legal win for Donald Trump: a New York appellate court tossed out a $500M penalty in the Letitia James civil fraud case, though liability findings remain. Host Tim Pool, joined by commentators including MAGA media figure Mike Crispi, engage in an unfiltered, at times incendiary roundtable on the fallout from this decision, the politics of lawfare, and adjacent culture war issues. Immigration, urban crime, automation, American identity, and demographic change dominate the conversation, all woven together by grievances against establishment norms and left-wing governance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s New York Legal Victory

(03:03 – 12:56)

• Tim Pool sets the stage by recapping the NY Appellate Division’s decision: the $500M penalty against Trump is vacated as an excessive fine, violating the Eighth Amendment, although findings of fraud remain and business restrictions for Trump and sons are upheld.
• Mike Crispi interprets the ruling as “total victory” for Trump, but demands further retribution:

  “Letitia James now needs to face the consequences... They need to go to jail. They need to do time, they need to be investigated.” (07:18)

• Panelists scoff at Letitia James’s political motivations, referencing her campaign promise to ‘get Trump.’
• Tim Pool reads Trump’s Truth Social claim of “total victory,” noting that the result is mixed: “It kind of didn’t... That was hurting businesses throughout New York.” (09:12)
• There’s consensus that the case has hurt NY’s business reputation, with comparisons to arbitrary justice discouraging investment.
• The panel discusses the “weaponization” of lawfare, broad laments about political persecution, and cultural decline in cities.

Notable Moment: “A Statue of Letitia James”

• Mike Crispi mockingly claims a public statue of a “fat black woman in sweats” is a proxy for Letitia James, deriding progressive cultural shifts in NYC (08:15).

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2. Lawfare, Elites, & Accountability

(12:56 – 19:57)

• Conversation broadens to accountability for Democrats, referencing Rep. Adam Schiff and Letitia James herself for alleged misconduct (mortgage fraud, Russia hoax).
• Mike Crispi: “Letitia James is in a lot of trouble... She is now under investigation by the DOJ for mortgage fraud... She is literally guilty, more blatantly than what they were trying to get Trump on.” (14:43)
• Skepticism about any real consequences for political elites becomes a point of resignation among panelists.
• Mary Morgan:

  “So much air is wasted... talking about what should happen and then nothing happens... None of these people are going to face consequences for anything ever.” (19:28)

• Debate over the role of the state in prosecuting political adversaries and the limits/legalities of Congressional speech.

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3. Immigration Crackdown & Policy Shifts

(23:55 – 48:11)

• News Highlight: Secretary of State Marco Rubio announces a pause on worker visas for truck drivers, citing safety and job concerns (25:17). Trump admin reviews 55 million visas for violations.
• The panel rails against foreign truck drivers, especially from India and Somalia, associating them with deadly accidents and culture clash:

  “They bring their third world shithole country.” – Mike Crispi (26:31)

• Emphatic support for mass deportations and ramped-up immigration enforcement.
  Tim Pool: “If you hire illegals or you rent a place to live to an illegal, you risk losing your property... Make it illegal.” (35:03)
• Heated, racially charged commentary linking immigration to demographic change, crime, and “the loss of American identity.”
• Discussion on logistical approaches: employer crackdowns vs. ICE raids, with arguments over optics and effectiveness.

Panel Divergence on Policy:

• Mike Crispi & Tate Brown endorse “flooding the zone” (41:08) with aggressive deportations, expecting outrage to fade.
• Tim Pool advocates a subtler approach to avoid swaying swing voters through graphic deportation footage.
• Mary Morgan presses for faster, more overt action, claiming this is what Trump’s base expects.

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4. Demographics, Culture, & National Identity

(48:11 – 64:13)

• The discussion crescendos around the cultural/demographic transformation of America due to mass immigration.
• Tim Pool critiques the inclusion of visa holders and non-citizens in census counts, arguing it dilutes the “voting and political power of existing Americans.” (45:16)
• The UK/European model is referenced as a cautionary tale, with a focus on the loss of ethnic/national distinctness.
• There are open debates (and host disagreements) over whiteness, national identity, and what constitutes being “American.”
  • Mary Morgan: “The country was 90% white until 1960.” (59:27)
  • Tim Pool insists American identity is historically about buy-in to founding values, not strictly race. (57:51, 59:51)
• Automation seen as an alternative to importing “third world” labor (34:49) – but with a strong preference for restricting immigration.

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5. Crime, Policing, & Public Safety in Urban America

(69:04 – 96:00)

• Breaking Story: Trump joins police and National Guard in DC following a self-declared “crime emergency.” (69:04)
  • Panelists see this as symbolically powerful, with Trump’s approval bolstered by perceptions of improved safety.
  • At the same time, the group is cynical about “crime stats,” claiming reductions in reporting are politically motivated (68:54).
• Mary Morgan: “Violent criminals are ontologically criminals and they will never change... They have to be dealt with, with, with fear and with violence because it's the only thing they understand.” (89:05)
• Extensive discussion about “broken cities” (New York, DC, Baltimore), public transit dangers, and the erosion of community solidarity in urban life.
• The ‘revolving door’ of criminal justice and rampant disorder is blamed on progressivism, DEI, and anti-police narratives.

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6. Culture War, Gen Z, Automation, & Birth Rates

(99:29 – 120:38)

• The conversation turns to generational divides: Gen Z’s political alienation, the lack of marriage/kids, declining birth rates.
• Panelists express hope that right-leaning, “radical” young people may restore American culture via religiosity and “sensible conservatism.” (103:03)
• Tim Pool claims automation may be essential, given shrinking workforce and the “boss bitch” syndrome leaving women unfulfilled.

  “Most women have been fooled into thinking that they want to be boss bitches... if they had kids, they would be like, holy cow, this is the best.” (119:37)

• There is relief at Trump’s non-extremist positioning – described as a “moderate option,” though viewed as too centrist by some Zoomers.
• The future of American identity, automation, and family policy are cast in almost existential terms.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tim Pool (Trump’s case):
  “It’s as if a team awarded a touchdown without crossing the goal line.” (07:03)
• Mike Crispi:
  “Letitia James now needs to face the consequences… Judge Engoron and Letitia James…need to go to jail. They need to do time, they need to be investigated.” (07:18)
• Tim Pool:
  “If Schiff was saying stuff when he was on TV as opposed to on the floor of Congress, then yeah, like that kind of stuff he can actually face, you know, face prosecution for.” (21:18)
• Mary Morgan:
  “So much air is wasted… talking about what should happen and then nothing happens.” (19:28)
• Tate Brown:
  “There are no white truck drivers. No snow white truck drivers. It's unbelievable.” (27:59)
• Discussion on anti-immigrant sentiment:
  “They bring their third world shithole country.” – Mike Crispi (26:31)
• Tim Pool (policy):
  “Make it so incredibly hard for immigrants that are illegal…to stay here…make sure they can’t find a job, make sure they can’t find a place to live.” (35:15)
• Mary Morgan:
  “We cannot resign ourselves to just ‘don’t go to cities’…we cannot.” (97:44)
• On American identity:
  “It used to be people that came to America stopped speaking their language from their old, their old country... If that's the way that immigrant behaves, I'm fine with it.” – Tim Pool (57:51)
• Gen Z & the future:
  “People do not realize how angry Zoomers are about what’s been done to their country.” – Tate Brown (100:06)

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Timestamps for Major Sections

• 03:03 – Trump’s NY Court Ruling Overview
• 07:18 – Mike Crispi calls for James/Engoron accountability
• 14:43 – Discussion of Letitia James’s alleged mortgage fraud
• 19:28 – Mary’s blackpill: “Nothing ever happens”
• 25:17 – Visa crackdown, foreign truck driver debate
• 35:03 – Tim Pool proposes employer crackdowns, anti-illegal measures
• 45:16 – Demographics, political power, and the census
• 57:51 – What is an American? Cultural & racial debates
• 69:04 – Trump deploys National Guard to DC
• 83:44 – House GOP weakness, redistricting concerns
• 88:22 – D.C. crime numbers drop, “crime is optional”
• 100:06 – Gen Z's anger, Trump as the moderate
• 119:37 – Pool on women, birth rates, and automation

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Episode Tone and Style

• Highly conversational, at times chaotic
• Host and guests are openly opinionated, sarcastic, and often use off-color humor and hyperbolic analogies
• Rhetorical style is combative and impassioned, with a strong populist and ethnonationalist undercurrent
• Frequent digressions, with panelists riffing on race, gender, class, and American decline
• Referencing populist memes, social media posts, and anecdotes
• Blunt—even inflammatory—language regarding immigration (“round them up and deport all of them”), crime, and American identity

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Summary for New Listeners

This Timcast IRL episode is an unfiltered barometer of post-2024 Trump-era right-populist sentiment. It combines real-time reaction to Trump’s court victory with a deep dive into persistent culture war anxieties: the erosion of America’s national identity, mass immigration and demographic transformation, crime and urban disorder, and the existential implications of automation and birth decline. Discussion is pointed, controversial, and sometimes even abrasive—beloved by its audience as much for its “real talk” as for any policy depth.

If you want a detailed sense of MAGA movement energy and the kind of cultural grievances driving American politics in 2025, this episode is a representative, if occasionally incendiary, snapshot.

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Transcript

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[Mike Crispy]

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[Tim Pool]

An appeals court has thrown out the 500 million dollar penalty that Donald Trump got from Leticia James and the I think it was the New York second District or whatever. Marco Rubio paused Truck driver visas for basically the whole country. I believe Donald Trump and the administration is reviewing 550, 50 or no 55 million visas for violations. I think that's going to end up in a lot of, with a lot of a lot of deportations. And he's also going on patrol tonight in D.C. i imagine that he is not going to be dressing up like Christy Gnome does, but we'll see what happens. But joining us actually. So before we get into all this stuff, why don't you guys head on over to cast brew.com and buy some coffee. You can get Josie's signature blend. You can get two weeks till Christmas, which is my holiday blend. You can also get Ian's Graphene dream. You can get Appalachian Nights. You can get K cups. If you don't like the regular coffee. It's all delicious, it's all wonderful. I drink it in the morning. I'm not kidding around. I'm not like just blowing smoke like it's legit the, the coffee that I drink. Then you want to head on over to Timcast.com and join our discord. All right, become a member there so you can join the after show and call in. You call and talk to our guest. You can call in and talk to the panel. You can meet other people in The Discord. There's something like 20,000 people in there. So go join the. Join the Discord. Become a member. Maybe you'll find a girlfriend. There's been people that have gotten married, so it's. It's wor. The effort. All right, and then head over to rumble.com. become a member there. So that way you can watch the after show. It's where we can talk about whatever we want. We don't have to worry about YouTube censorship or anything like that. So head on over, join the r. Join Rumble. Join the Tim Cast Discord joining us, joining us tonight to talk about this and all. All sorts of other things. Mike Crispy.

[Mike Crispy]

Let's go. Great to be back, guys. Great to be back on Tim Cast. My third time. Mike Crispy, TV host on Real America's Voice. Last call Saturday nights. And Trump delegate and surrogate and president of the Italian American Civil Rights League. We love our Italians out there watching tonight. Let's go.

[Tim Pool]

Awesome. Awesome. And producer Frank is here as well.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Yes, sir. Producer for this guy. I'm usually behind the scenes, but, you know, sometimes I slip through the cracks.

[Tim Pool]

Here I am.

[Mike Crispy]

Let's go, Frankie.

[Tim Pool]

Mary's here.

[Mary Morgan]

Hello, everyone. My name is Mary Morgan and you can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at Tim Cast. And I guess because I usually am talking about celebrities, it's only fitting for me to mention that I've brought with me the Selena Gomez limited edition Oreos. Everyone in the studio has tried them except for Phil. But, Mike, I heard you wanted to give a mini review for these cookies.

[Mike Crispy]

I. I give the cookies on their taste. 9 out of 10 healthiness, 1 out of 10 race trading. Okay. 0 out of 10. Selena Gomez, half Italian, half Mexican, but you would never know about the Italian part. She plays up the Mexican thing. So she's a race trader.

[Tim Pool]

And.

[Mike Crispy]

And therefore the cookies are unbiable if you're out there.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean?

[Mary Morgan]

She's in her mansion, like, crying about her people.

[Mike Crispy]

She's. Yeah, well, her people are Italian and they would be very upset to know that she's making these cookies and, you know, not doing anything to honor our heritage.

[Mary Morgan]

I genuinely didn't know that.

[Mike Crispy]

Anyway, Tate's here.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, Tate Brown. Holding it down. I'm glad there's a fellow crack slipper here. I mean, I'm a producer and I get on this show somehow, so there's a lot of cracks being slipped. Yeah, I agree with the race trader cookies. That's wrong. There should be, like, some sort of cannoli essence in the.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, she would be. She was honoring her headed. She'd make cannolis.

[Tim Pool]

Would you prefer if they were like pepperonis in them? Yeah, I'm just.

[Mary Morgan]

They're really good though. For the record, the cinnamon flavor.

[Tim Pool]

Nice.

[Tate Brown]

They are nice.

[Tim Pool]

All right, so smash the like button. Share the show with all your friends, Head over to timcast.com become a member. We're going to jump right into it from Fox News. New York Appeals court throws out 500 million penalty against Trump in Letitia James Civil Case See Appellate an appellate court has thrown out the $500 million civil fraud penalty against President Donald Trump in the high profile case brought by New York Attorney General Leticia James. The New York Appellate Division overturned the penalty ruling. The disgorgement was an excessive fine that violates the Eighth Amendment. The five men are panel, five member panel all upheld findings that Trump and his company were liable, affirming that James acted within her authority and that injunctive relief to curb Trump organization practices was appropriate. The ruling leaves liability intact, but eliminates the massive financial penalty of 364 million-plus interest, which raises to about 500 million. Now, it's worth noting that this is a very complex finding. I think it was something like 300 pages. Let me see if I can find it. And there were multiple judges that had. There were five judges all together. Yeah. Okay. So in a complex 323 page series of opinions on Thursday, the justices wrote that they were deeply divided, with two saying a new trial should be ordered and one writing that the case should be tossed altogether. A majority of four justices settled on an alter on an alternate path, vacating the massive financial penalty without resolving the merits of the case. The penalty, as one wrote, was far from reasonable approximation of the amount that was warranted. Justice David Friedman, who dissented from the majority, noted that two of the four justices who voted to vacate the penalty do not actually agree with the resolution of the appeal for which they are voting. I find it remarkable that although three the three justice majority of this five justice panel believe that the judgment in favor of the Attorney General should not stand. The result of the appeal is the affirmance of the judgment, albeit as modified to eliminate the disgorgement award from the row. To draw sports analogy, it's as if a team awarded a touchdown without crossing the goal line, he continued. This is something that I think is actually a result because of the the fact that it's in New York and I think there's a lot of politics involved in the Finding. Do you guys have. Have a similar opinion or have you had a chance to Look, I think.

[Mike Crispy]

That Letitia James now needs to face the consequences. I mean, just because you try to do something really illegal and you fail doesn't mean you shouldn't pay the consequences. So Judge Engoron and Letitia James are now saying they're being politically targeted. Okay. They're saying they're being politically targeted because we're actually standing up for ourselves and responding to these things and talking about it. They need to go to jail. They need to do time, they need to be investigated because everyone talks about the rules and the norms and the system of our country, but they're the ones who took the sledgehammer to it first and tried to break it into a million pieces. They failed. Trump still won. So I think this, this, you know, whole appeals court thing is good, but now we got to get some accountability or otherwise Phil will just do it again like somebody else will do it.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

And I'll just add to that. Can we get rid of the 12 foot statue of Letitia James out of New York City? We could start with that. Because I don't care what anyone says, that is a statue of hers.

[Mike Crispy]

A statue of. For those who don't know, there's a statue of a big fat black woman that they put, you know, they took our beautiful stat statues, like, you know, the Columbus statues, and they put this random statue of like a fat black woman wearing sweats in, in Times Square and nobody can explain why.

[Tim Pool]

Wearing sweats is the best part.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, it's like nothing heroic, just like wearing sweatpants.

[Tate Brown]

Just a lady.

[Mike Crispy]

That's a Letitia James statue.

[Tate Brown]

This is like group six on a Delta Airlines. That's not heroic.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

What are we doing here?

[Tim Pool]

So I, I understand what you're saying. I, I do want to go. Donald Trump took to Truth Social. Talk about this. He called it a to. Trump took to Truth Social to declare a total victory and rail against James and the original trial judge, Arthur Energon. James claimed to win, too, noting that the appeals court upheld the findings of fraud and restrictions on Trump's businesses, and she pledged to appeal the penalty decision. Total victory in the fake New York State Attorney General Letitia James case. Trump wrote. I greatly respect the fact that the court had the courage to throw out this unlawful and disgraceful decision. It kind of didn't. That was hurting businesses all throughout New York. That was true. Others were afraid to do business there. The amount, including interest and penalties was over $550 million. It was a political witch hunt in a business sense the likes of which no one has ever seen. And that's true, too. You heard Mr. Wonderful, the guy from the, from Shark Tank. I forget what his real name is. Yeah, o'. Leary. You heard him talking on cnbc. He was like, look, I don't want to do business here. If this can happen, you know, if this can happen. If, if the, the attorney general can just decide that they want to attack a business person over politics, that's going to chill business. Now, granted, I think Donald Trump was a special case because of the fact that he president and because of the support that he got. But at the same time, I mean, I don't think that it's beyond the, the, the, it's beyond the Democrats, you know, impulses to go after their, their political rivals using the DOJ of whatever.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Jurisdiction they can, I would say 100%. It's just like, we've gotten to a point where it's, it's just, it's, it's so absurd where you have so New York City, it is the beacon, you know, all of the billion, billion dollar companies. No one is going to want to risk. It doesn't matter. It's like once that cracks open, it's like you don't put the genie back in the bottle. So it's just like, it is such a bad look for New York. It has been horrible. I mean, me and you were, we live.

[Tim Pool]

You're a little out there.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

You're in New Jersey, but I'm in New York. It's just, it's such a joke. Engaran.

[Tim Pool]

Literally.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

That whole, that o' Keefe piece, when he found him being a creep at the gym, that was literally two, two towns over for.

[Mike Crispy]

That's right. That's right.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

And a very expensive town at that. It's just like, these people are pathetic.

[Mike Crispy]

No, they, they tried, they tried to destroy the whole system. They wanted to bankrupt Trump. They wanted to have $500 million ruling so they can get the headline to say he has no money. They wanted to bankrupt him and they wanted to send him to jail simultaneously. They didn't think he would survive it, and he did. And here we are. So that doesn't mean that they're absolved. They got to pay.

[Tate Brown]

It was so much better when corruption in New York was like, masculine and cool.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

It's like you got to be like, libbed hard, gay.

[Mike Crispy]

That's right.

[Tate Brown]

Participate. And it's like so unfair. And it's also very vague, like you don't know how to participate in the corruption. It used to be very clear. Pay this guy.

[Mike Crispy]

Yes.

[Tate Brown]

You know this, that you pay off a few cops, you pay off a lawyer. Now it's like you gotta like take a lawyer, you gotta take a brunch.

[Mike Crispy]

And like, it's ridiculous. Innocent people, mimosas.

[Tate Brown]

You don't get bottomless motions with the judge.

[Tim Pool]

I never thought the day would come where you can grease someone's. Oh, it's in New York with bottomless mimosas.

[Tate Brown]

These di. These di. Bribery. It's terrible.

[Mike Crispy]

Crime used to be cooler, as you said. And like, you know, innocent people used to not get caught in it. You know, it'd be like, okay, it's like, like these people are fighting or like these gangs or like these organized criminals. And it was always like somewhat, you know, systematic. Now it's just like indiscriminate and people are defecating on the sidewalk in between. And it's like, it's not cool. Not good.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd be an observation. It'd be nice to have some classic corruption back.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Some traditional, good old American corruption like this now, like you said, where there's homeless people everywhere.

[Mike Crispy]

It's like, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

You know, it's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so I mean, you talk about, talk about about people going to jail, but I mean, this is, this isn't actually really put to bed yet. From CBS News, New York Attorney General Letitia James said in a statement Thursday that her office will appeal the decision to the Court of Appeals, the state's highest, highest court. Her statement lauded one aspect of the ruling which left in place sanctions barring Mr. Trump from serving as an officer or director of any corporation or other legal entity in the state for three years. His sons Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. Were banned for two years. The court upheld the injunctive relief. We won. Limiting Donald Trump and the organ the Trump Organization officers ability to do business in New York. It should not be lost to history. Yet another court has ruled that the president lets map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

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[Mike Crispy]

You know, her number one quote ever, Letitia James is she said in the system where everyone is two male, too pale and too stale. That's a Letitia James quote. So I think now in the wake of this, it needs to be too woman, too dark and too zesty because, like, you know, we just got to go totally the opposite way. And Letitia James is in a lot of trouble and I think that she's gonna pay, not even for this, but she is now under investigation by the DOJ for mortgage fraud. So it's kind of funny like, you know, Trump got, you know, the loan and Deutsche bank said, as you said, Philippines Deutsche bank said he was fine. He paid it back with interest, no problem. Letitia James committed hardcore mortgage fraud where she misrepresented where she lived and all these other things to get a loan term that she had no business getting whatsoever. She's literally guilty, more blatantly than what they were trying to get Trump on. And it's similar. So I think that they're going to get him, get her, and Ed Martin's gonna get her, and I think Letitia James will end up going to jail over her own mortgage situation. So that's my prediction yeah.

[Tate Brown]

When, like. And she was committing. It was in Maryland. Like, that's what you're gonna go to bat for. That's what you're gonna risk going to jail over. That's a downgrade from, like, what are we doing? At least risk it. Like, do, like, Nashville or something, you know. Nice. Yeah, yeah. This is crazy.

[Mike Crispy]

Her development was in. Where in Maryland was it?

[Tate Brown]

You know, it doesn't matter.

[Mike Crispy]

Usually real nice areas in Maryland. So that was her.

[Mary Morgan]

That's not true.

[Mike Crispy]

I've just attacked the whole state of Maryland.

[Tate Brown]

It's fine.

[Tim Pool]

It's a small state. Right.

[Tate Brown]

Ellen's away from us, so it's okay. But. Yeah. No, it's just crazy. She can't even commit mortgage fraud properly.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

How do you expect her to?

[Mike Crispy]

Not even. Mortgage fraudster. Yeah, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

How can you get prosecuted if you can't even do it properly?

[Mike Crispy]

Her investment property wasn't in Hawaii or Palm Beach.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Mike Crispy]

In Maryland.

[Tate Brown]

I know. Like, get real. And they're going to get. They're going to get shift on the same thing, hopefully. So up next. Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I would love to see. Obviously, I would love to see shift and. And Leticia James see significant, you know, legal troubles because of it. I don't actually have a sense that there's going to be anything that will come from both of those things. Well, I mean, look.

[Mary Morgan]

Oh, do you think nothing ever happens?

[Mike Crispy]

I didn't say the black pill. Is that a black nothing there.

[Tim Pool]

There are a few people around here that think nothing that nothing ever happens or nothing ever changes is the. Are the two kind of things that. That are. Are thrown about.

[Mary Morgan]

Nothing ever happens is shorthand for nothing ever changes.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, it's like the Internet slang. Right. That's what they. On X, they said nothing, then nothing ever happens. Grow.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

I would say, as far as the comparison between Leticia and Shift, it's like with all the issues we do have with Leticia, it's like she did as we did say, she ran on it. She's like, I'm going to go after him. That's what you're going to vote me in for. On the other side, we have Schiff, who was voted in to, you know, take care of the welfare, you know, and they just. Yeah. You know, in the Senate to help out his constituents. Instead, he took all of the time to literally lie about Russia and basically, if you want to argue, possibly, you know, commit treason, basically, and just have our entire country divided for four years.

[Mike Crispy]

He accused Trump of committing treason in the first term, which totally Derailed everything that led to the impeachment thing. So he literally got on television and said, the President is committing treason. I've seen the evidence. There was no evidence Trump was including with the Russians. It was laughable. Schiff should face consequences for that. The punishment for treason is death. Schiff accused the president of committing treason, trying to throw the country into chaos. So the question is, what should his punishment should be? Yeah, should it be something similar? I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, look, when it comes to what should happen because of those accusations and stuff, I think that's a, That's a totally separate issue as from, you know, mortgage fraud or whatever. And I think that the idea that mortgage fraud would be a, a good replacement punishment for what he's actually done when it comes to the accusations that he was, he was making. I think the only problem is most of the time when he was making those accusations, he was on the floor of Congress. Right when he actually said it on.

[Mike Crispy]

He said it on television, though. He said it on. He said it on cnn. Like, there, like, the montage of him saying it. Like, I have seen the evidence. I have seen. He did say it in Congress when that, you know, they say that protects you if you're in Congress, but he said it on television many times. And I don't think we've ever had a politician who has breached that boundary. It's like, you know, like, you know, I don't like Democrats, you know, but I don't accuse them of treason. Like, you know, you don't just accuse somebody of treason. So I think that just crossed a barrier. So what happens for crossing that barrier?

[Tate Brown]

We.

[Mike Crispy]

We don't know because no one's ever done it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, there's also like a big. Because, you know, there's these, you know, let's arrest Obama or Hillary. And you see that and you're like, okay, that's clearly red meat for the base, but that's probably not going to happen. But with this where it's like, there's obvious. There's obvious smoking gun. Like, it's obvious they did these things. The DOJ is currently investigating, it really does feel like, okay, yeah, we'll get this across the line.

[Mary Morgan]

We're talking in circles. Like, I feel like so much air is wasted on, well, shows like this, talking about what should happen and then nothing happens. And that includes the Obama red herring that Trump threw out there, which was right in the middle of the Epstein scandal. It was just a total distraction that he threw out to the media. And none of these people are going to face consequences for anything ever the people that we're talking about now? No.

[Tim Pool]

Nothing. No. Well, I mean, I think that, I.

[Mary Morgan]

Mean, it's just funny to me that the whole campaign was marketed basically on like retribution and that was.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, you're right. I want to see some more retribution. I want to get locked up. I, I will say it's a big Trump.

[Mary Morgan]

It's not going to happen.

[Mike Crispy]

I need to see some high profile overdue lockups.

[Mary Morgan]

Too bad.

[Tate Brown]

There is, there is, there is.

[Mike Crispy]

I would say, yeah, we're going to have in crowd.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, there is, there is a difference between, like you said, kind of throwing Obama out in the middle of like a hot moment versus the DOJ coming out and listing specific infractions that James and Schiff have made that they can't, that they are currently investigating. Like, I mean, I agree, you know, I need to see it to believe it, but there is like, there is a ramp up here in like, what mechanism they'll deploy to actually bring these people in a courthouse.

[Tim Pool]

I think that that's a great point. And I think that the, the idea that we should just ha. It should be haphazard is, Is a bad idea. And I think that said, I don't, I don't want to try to predict the future because I don't. I mean, I'm not usually all that good at predicting the future, to be honest with you. But when it comes to, if they're going to do anything like arrest, make any arrests or whatever, their ducks have to be in a row. They have to have everything all together. And I don't think that it happens just as quickly as, oh, we got into office in January and by May or June, you know, we're ready to go.

[Mike Crispy]

That's a fair point.

[Tim Pool]

And so, and so I want to see people arrested for the, the, the crimes that were fairly obviously committed. I think that like you said, if, if Schiff was saying stuff when he was on TV as opposed to on the floor of Congress, then, yeah, like that kind of stuff he can actually face, you know, face prosecution for. But if they don't have all their ducks in a row and they don't have the, the proper charges and everything, then you're not going to see anything happen from it. And that's a. Then it would be even worse than, than not doing anything. I, and to the point of, you know, what's going to be done. The Democrats have shown that they will do all this stuff. And this is, this is a point that we actually harp on a lot around here. Democrats have shown that they will send the FBI to the president, the former president's house, and arrest, you know, and not arrest him, but search him and stuff. And that when they brought, when they brought him in, they actually had him come in to New York of his own volition. So they didn't actually have to, you know, perp walk him or anything. But there were a lot of Democrats that wanted that, that. There were a lot of Democrats that were verbally saying, like openly saying, I want to see Trump purple, etc. So it's not a good idea for Republicans to just let things go. They should actually make arrests if they have the, the material, the, the substance there.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah. And they wanted to perp walk Trump, but they wanted to perp walk Trump for the only reason of just, let's just go perp walk Trump. And these people don't care about the Constitution or the framework of the country or what it was built on or what we're preserving, or they don't care about any of that stuff. They just want to perp walk Trump. So at least when it, you know, we kind of, we understand the weight of doing that. Right. Because we value everything this country is built on. We don't go after political opponents. But if they do it first and they do it under the wrong, you know, pretense, something's gotta give.

[Tate Brown]

And there's also a difference to, like, the Democrats prosecuting Trump. The entire intel community is down with that. Like, they're ready to rock. You just have to give them permission. They're like a bunch of rabid dogs ready to do it. With the Republicans, it'd be like pulling teeth. Because even, even though, yes, you know, Gabbard and co are shaking up the intel community, you know, you're seeing a lot of, of security clearance was revoked, a lot of people clean. I mean, Gabbard laid off, like, half of the DNI recently. Even with that, like, still, it's very entrenched. There's still a lot of deep state bureaucrats. It's going to be very hard to get the government moving in the direction of starting to prosecute some of these slime balls. It's just the nature of how the deep state is constructed. And it will take probably a year or two to really clean house, to give it a good scrub and get our people in there so you can really start activating and, and utilizing the weapons that we do have. Yeah, legal weapons.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, yeah, that's, I think that's something that, that we can all around the table here agree on. So we're going to jump to this story here and this is actually some good news in my opinion from Bloomberg. US to Pause Issuing Worker Visas for Truck Drivers Rubio says the US Will pause issuance of worker visas for commercial truck drivers, the latest in a series of Trump administration moves to clamp down on foreign workers, Secretary State of of State Marco Rubio said Thursday. Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

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[Tim Pool]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

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[Mike Crispy]

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[Tim Pool]

Effective immediately, we are pausing all issuance of worker visas for commercial truck drivers, he wrote. The increasing number of foreign drivers operating large tractor trailer trucks on U S roads is endangering American lives and undercutting the livelihoods of American truckers. The Secretary of State's post didn't include statistics nor specific examples detailing the nature of the threats. However, the move comes after days after a deadly Aug. 12 crash on the Florida Turnpike by a driver that was accused of making an illegal U turn. The Department of Homeland Security said that the driver of the rig was a migrant from India in the country. Illegal legally. The Trump administration has repeatedly sought to tighten immigration rules for commercial vehicle drivers. In May, the Department of Transportation said it would end they would up enforcement of an English language requirement for drivers following an April executive order from Donald Trump. These things seem so obvious and it blows my mind that, that there are so many people that just don't, don't, don't jump right on and say yes, obviously this is something.

[Mary Morgan]

This guy was illegal from India.

[Tim Pool]

From India, okay?

[Mary Morgan]

And we're surprised that these people can't Drive. They don't have traffic laws. Look at any video. Look at, like, you know, Anthony Bourdain visiting India. Look at, like, the B roll footage that they take of the streets in India. They don't have traffic laws.

[Mike Crispy]

They bring their. I hate to say it, but they bring their third world, you know, shithole country.

[Mary Morgan]

Why would you hate to say that?

[Mike Crispy]

So I want to say that that's true. Well, it's like, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's happening in every major city, and unfortunately, it's the reality. So when the Somalians come in to Minnesota, they turn Minnesota into little Somalia, okay? They even changed the flag. When the people come in into Texas and the Southern states, from every single central South American country that they're looking to escape when they get here, they just turn it into that country. And then the Indians, they don't have any traffic laws, so what do they.

[Tim Pool]

Do to our roads?

[Mike Crispy]

They turn them into Indian roads. And that's not a racist thing. That's not a profiling thing. It's just reality. And the reason I hate to say it is because now we have to live with. And they're all here. How do you undo it all? You know, Trump's gonna have to round.

[Tim Pool]

Them up and import all of them.

[Mike Crispy]

Every single one of them.

[Tate Brown]

It's like. I mean, they can barely drive the Tuk Tuks around in India. They're smashing it. It's like a demolition derby and they're trying to wheel an 18 wheeler around. I mean, it's really.

[Mary Morgan]

I have noticed that the truck drivers are some of the worst drivers.

[Mike Crispy]

They're getting worse.

[Tim Pool]

Me and Mike are driving from New.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Jersey to here, and it was like, what is going on? And we're driving past, everyone was like, nope, definitely not American. No, definitely not American.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

We were like, what was going on here? It's like when two TR tractor. When two tractor trailers are going on a highway at the same speed in two lanes, not allowing any cars to go around you. I think there's problem.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, go to loves. Go to Loves. Like, anywhere along i81, it looks like a FEMA camp.

[Mike Crispy]

There are no. There are no white truck drivers. No snow white truck drivers. It's unbelievable.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, they're di Ing everything.

[Mike Crispy]

And. And in these states, like in California, Gavin Newsom said he was gonna. Something about him with the truck drivers, like, laxing the laws. So. So they become a truck driver in California, but they're going all over the state. So it's the way that Gavin Newsom or anybody in the liberal state can just fuck it up for the whole country, because then they just go everywhere and cause accidents.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. This falls right on Gavin Newsom, on California and Gavin Newsom's policies. Right. This guy got into the country through in California. He got his CDL from California. And so in my opinion, the people that have died because of this, it's directly like, falls right on Gavin Newsom shoulders.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

I'm actually curious, like, how does. How does the CDL work with state by state? You know, does it differ by state? You know, is it harder to be process?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And I think that there's a.

[Tate Brown]

There's a.

[Tim Pool]

There is some amount of standardization when it comes to the test. But if I understand correctly, people in California, if you're a foreigner, if you don't speak English, they will actually provide someone to help you. That was one of the super chats we got.

[Mike Crispy]

I got messages. I got text messages coming into the show right now from law enforcement literally watching the show that I know who are seeing me on Tim Cast right now, and they're saying, I pull over. People who don't understand the road signs.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Mike Crispy]

It's like when they get pulled over, the thing is, you know, you say, oh, what were you doing? You know, you. You just. You're texting or you're having a couple to drink or the typical American things right now, they go, I don't even know what the sign said.

[Mary Morgan]

Right. It's not that they're, like, so bad. They're not, like, crazy, like, they don't want to hurt anybody.

[Mike Crispy]

You know, the signs, they.

[Mary Morgan]

They come from a culture that doesn't care about order, right?

[Mike Crispy]

Yes.

[Mary Morgan]

They don't, like, really register that in their minds, and they never will.

[Tate Brown]

It's like now, like, with Mad Max Curry Road and all our roads, I. When's the last. When's the last time you heard a woman driver joke? I mean, women are off the hook now because there's these. These people everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

That's the worst thing about it.

[Mike Crispy]

I have become middle of the road. The women drivers.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Mike Crispy]

The Asian drivers aren't even at the good now.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. They're like, I'll take one. Yeah.

[Mike Crispy]

Now we have the Indians, the Middle Eastern drivers, the Somali pirates. Okay.

[Tate Brown]

They're doing, like, burnout.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah. It's. It's not good.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

And I'll just say, you know, when you. When you look back, when you zoom out and you just see this whole thing happen, the.

[Mike Crispy]

Really.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

What's going to happen is the Real truck drivers, the American truck drivers are going to be affected because there's going to be a time with all these, you know, the EVS happening. There's going to be that time when. Look at these stats. Look how many people die from trucks. They have to all be automated. And now that our biggest economy, you know, it's all going to go away.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah. No truck drivers.

[Tate Brown]

No more lot lizards. What are they going to do, you know?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's a good thing. Yeah. Look, I, I've spent a lot. I've spent a lot of time touring the lot. Lizards are not something that you want. You want that to stop. You want that to end.

[Tate Brown]

Fiction behind.

[Tim Pool]

You want to put an end to that. I promise you.

[Tate Brown]

Okay, well, that's good then. That's. Maybe it's.

[Tim Pool]

But no, to your point, the, the, the driverless truckers that's coming regardless, it doesn't matter. I mean, that is going to be something in the future, I imagine. Within, within 20 years, there will be some congressperson, that sub that says we need to outlaw human beings driving under the pretense of.

[Mike Crispy]

What he's saying is that it's these, it's these people who shouldn't even be in the country in the first place, who don't know how to drive in the first place. And then they use that as the pretense to get these driverless trucks and destroy an industry that should remain for American white workers.

[Tate Brown]

And the craziest thing is, like, California, like California, Gavin Newsom be the first person to blame a red state whenever there's a shooting and being like, oh, their gun laws are the reason that this happened.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And then they're issuing CDLs like it's like a library card.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

It's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

That's a really good point. Excuse me. This, the, the, the whole, like, speaking English to your point earlier about, like, not being able to read the signs and stuff like that. That's a point that we made on the show, you know, six months ago, and it actually happened to be like, right before Trump said that they was making an executive order. It's like one of the things that I think would be really, is really important is to do all that we can to make sure that the federal government doesn't produce any, any paperwork or any kind of form in any other language other than English. And if you can't fill out the form yourself, not with an aid provided by the federal government, but if you can't fill out the form yourself, well, that means that you can't get whatever job or assistance it is that you're trying to get.

[Mary Morgan]

And the companies like Uber need to be fined for allowing illegals to drive Americans. Because I, I recently, I already knew that was a widespread issue. And oftentimes like they had have a citizen make an account and then their whole like family of illegals is using it. And I had an Uber driver recently who I, I was directing when I showed up at the location and I was like, can you turn left over there? And he, he literally didn't know the words right and left so good. He was like, do. I was like, do you speak English? He was like, no, mommy, good Lord.

[Mike Crispy]

He was hitting on you.

[Mary Morgan]

He didn't know right and left, left. So yeah, people are gonna die because of this already. There was, there was already time to prevent this. There was time to prevent the automation of these jobs. I remember several years ago, like many years before, this was really a popular conversation. I think Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro were having a discussion about the automation of truck driving jobs. And Tucker was basically on the side of like, we need to regulate before these jobs get replaced.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Mary Morgan]

And then Ben Shapiro basically said, well that's just capitalism, baby. That's creative destruction. We just have, he supported it.

[Mike Crispy]

What a surprise.

[Tim Pool]

Well, who's. Which, which is a better, which is a better option though, having, having a bunch of immigrants that can't speak English and can't read the road signs or having trucks that are, that actually can follow the road signs, which is, which is better. I mean it's clearly better to have automation as opposed to, it's not really.

[Mary Morgan]

That'S a false dichotomy economy. We can get rid of them. I thought everyone was talking about how we can just do things and, and like we're not doing anything.

[Tate Brown]

I mean they are going to have this crunch as the population declines. Like there is a shortage of truckers. There has shortage truckers for a long time. And then like, and yeah, as time goes on, we're gonna have massive shortages in these industries. And from the government's perspective, they need, I mean, just for tax, tax recuperation purposes. It's like, okay, we have two options really is automation. And that can hopefully increase wages for, you know, the jobs that are still out there. Or you flood the country with the third world and the third world net.

[Mary Morgan]

Cost on the welfare system though.

[Tate Brown]

I agree. But they're never going to learn. The government's never going to learn their lesson. Regardless of the entire west has voted year after year. Every western country you go, they Vote for less immigration. And it never happens.

[Tim Pool]

Regardless of what option, what other other option you get. I will take automation over flooding the country with third world immigrants every single time without a question.

[Mike Crispy]

I would take that. But ide. In the ideal world, we would get, you know, something happening that would be in the next three years. We absolutely just round up every single person. And everyone always says, oh, but we want to get the criminals out. But a lot of these people, they're not criminals.

[Tim Pool]

I have a better idea here working. I have a, I have a better idea than rounding people up to penalize the, the company. Yeah. Make it illegal to rent to people that are. And, and if you own, if you own a company and you hire illegal wheels, you lose your company.

[Mike Crispy]

You're absolutely right.

[Tim Pool]

And that's something that dry up. And they would leave Democrats say all the time, oh, you know, what if, why don't we ever go after the companies? And they're right.

[Mike Crispy]

Yes, yes.

[Tate Brown]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely right. We should. Absolutely. Yeah. And I've been saying this on the show for the, for a while. Go after the. Oh, the person that owns this company, that, this truck that hired this truck driver, he should lose his company. All of his trucks should be auctioned off to his competitors.

[Mike Crispy]

He should bear the consequences.

[Tim Pool]

He should go to jail for that.

[Mike Crispy]

For the, for the, the absolute carnage.

[Tate Brown]

That even worse than jail, he should be sent to India just for like a day.

[Mike Crispy]

But I mean, for one day.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I'd be like, solitary, please.

[Tim Pool]

But, but, but no, because the thing is, like, you talk about rounding it up, rounding people up, and if you have people having to deal with, if you have, you know, Karen watching ICE rounding up Miguel, she's going to freak out, right? She's going to say, oh, you're doing these terrible things. So the real, the real compassionate option is make it so incredibly hard for immigrants that are illegal, immigrants that are here to stay here. Make sure they can't find a job, make sure they can't find a place to live. If you make it incredibly hard for them to live here, then they will leave. And that's the best option. So you don't have to have ICE fighting with people. You don't have to have videos of ICE grounding people up put up on the Internet. And then people go after the ice, the ICE agents and stuff that like, it's just, it's just the smartest and most clean way to do it. What are you thinking?

[Mary Morgan]

Great ideas penalizing the companies. I agree with that, but it's not mutually. Mutually Exclusive with what the Trump voters were promised and what was it? $150 billion given to ICE in the bill.

[Tate Brown]

Yes.

[Mary Morgan]

For what? To. To move these people, to take them and move them out of the country.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not saying that we should, I'm not saying that we shouldn't have people rounded up. What I'm saying is that if you actually want to get rid of, you know, all of the people, that the 10, 20 million in a way that.

[Mary Morgan]

Will last longer than just his current term. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

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Honestly, Will, I didn't plan any trips, but I did switch to T Mobile with their new Family Freedom offer.

[Tim Pool]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Will (Travel Segment Host)]

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[Mike Crispy]

Bon voyage.

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[Tim Pool]

Well, if you pass, you pass legislation that' says if you hire illegals or you rent a place to live to an illegal, you risk losing your property.

[Mary Morgan]

I'm just saying it's not, it's not mutually exclusive. And the time to deport people is way before the midterms, which is why I was so frustrated with people saying it's only been two months, three months, four months, five months, it's only been this long. Like, you have to start immediately every day. For the record, once, I mean, basically, as soon as, as, as soon as the calendar year ends, the only thing anybody is going to be thinking about is the midterms.

[Mike Crispy]

And everybody, everybody gets like, can't deport anyone.

[Mary Morgan]

But we're already not deporting anyone.

[Mike Crispy]

I actually, for the record, you know, you talk about the ICE videos, I kind of like those videos, you know, where they're all screaming and they're going, we voted for, I voted for that.

[Mary Morgan]

Trump cares way too much. He pays way too much attention to the media. I mean, look, what is he so afraid of?

[Tim Pool]

I understand what you're saying, but like, you're, you're. You're not thinking about the perspective of, of people that are, that are in Washington and how things, how the actual process is done. Right. Like, I know I would like.

[Mary Morgan]

Well, it would be passionate option so that the Karens don't see these videos that make them cry is for us to do this. Well, yeah. The more compassionate option is having compassion toward the American people.

[Tim Pool]

Oh. I mean, that's.

[Mike Crispy]

Well, it's like it.

[Tim Pool]

Look, the American people are going to grieved the. The American people don't like to see that. That's why I. To not have those videos go up because that will make the. That will make people that are a little on the queasy side when they see people get wrapped up. That will make them change their opinion. And you don't want them to change their opinion. You want to get the people out. The most important thing is getting the illegals to leave. And the best way to make sure that you can get the illegals to leave is to not have those videos up because then you'll have people say, oh, I don't want to see that. I'll go vote for the Democrat, because that hurt my feelings. You don't want that. That, like, that's the, that's the reason why you don't want those videos going up. And whether or not, like, I know that you don't have that same kind of queasiness and people around here don't have that same kind of queasiness, but there are a lot of people that do, and they're swing voters. So if they're swing voters and they're the ones that are queasy, you need to make sure that they don't lose the stomach for this. And the best way to do that is to not have videos of ICE agents wrapping people up to his point. Point.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

You know, they could have avoided the high school graduation, so they could have.

[Tim Pool]

Avoided the high school graduation. That was not the best look, you know, I mean, it's true.

[Tate Brown]

There's something to be said about that flooding the zone, though, where it's like you just go crazy. Like, just really go like mask off the first few months, like go to the high schools. Like, just throw like random kids in bands and stuff. Because it's like, then by the time the midterms. Seriously. No, hear me out.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, the cycle changes. That's here.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Because by the time the midterms come, like Rogan's already thrown his fit and everything. And then it's like, then we're good. Like everyone's, everyone's at ease. Everyone's like.

[Mike Crispy]

And everyone always. And everyone always says when they see the video, they always say, well, I really want the deportations, but start with the criminals. And they say, okay, start. So you're right. Yeah. So you know what? Yeah. Well, in the first two months, three months, flooding should have just. They should have flood the zone.

[Tate Brown]

Yes.

[Mike Crispy]

Beat the shit out of everybody, deported them out as viciously as possible. And the attention span of these Karens are so short that they would forget all about that and be mad about. About whatever the Democrats talk about. Abortion rights.

[Tate Brown]

I think they're doing that to some degree. Cuz it's like there was this video yesterday of some guy in D.C. getting dragged out of his car and like the libs freaked out for like a few hours. And then of course it came out he was a pedophile. Obviously. That just happens all the time. I'm seeing the react. Yeah, you're not seeing as many Kilmars now. You're not seeing as strong of a reaction for the left. I think there is an aspect where they're demoralized. Like that's 100% true. But I think there also is an aspect where the average American and the people like Joe Rogan's, the guys that came out early and were really upset about the deportations, they're kind of like whatever, they're used to it now. Their stomachs have adjusted. Cause the reality is Americans are very vibes based people like, okay, yes, polling wise, Americans want mass deportations, but also Americans don't want to watch videos like Phil's saying, of people getting thrown around. And so it's like the only way to really do it is rip the band aid, flood the zone. I think that is actually what's happened. I think, I think we're past the Kilmars. I don't think we're gonna get many of those stories anymore.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think that any of us around the table are arguing about what needs to be done or what should happen. It's just a matter of how it's going to be done and the velocity apparently of how fast it's gonna happen. And to be honest with you, look, I don't know exactly the details about how funding works. The argument that you heard from the Capitol, from Capitol Hill was that the big beautiful bill needed to be passed because the funding was in it. They didn't have the money to pay ICE to do this stuff. And if that's the case, then, you know, nothing could be done before that was passed.

[Mike Crispy]

And when did the bill, the big, beautiful bill passed?

[Tim Pool]

Three weeks, four weeks ago, a month ago. I mean, fourth.

[Mike Crispy]

It was July 4th. We got through July 4th. So it's over. It's been over a month. They got $150 billion now. So it should be.

[Tate Brown]

We are seeing. I mean, they've, They've. They're opening up massive complexes every week now. I mean, we've seen. There's. There's two in Florida now. Nebraska, they're building a massive one, a massive one in Indiana. So the bed space is increasing. They're ramping up. Like, the deportations are finally starting to head north again.

[Tim Pool]

Why do they need beds? Like, just take them and put them on a plane.

[Tate Brown]

You do have the process to. I mean, I hate it. I wish you could just build a slingshot and launch them. But, like, you do have to process them. You gotta figure out who they are, what their names are, like, where they're from. And that requires bed space to detain them for a temporary amount of time. And then also now you see a proposal. Like, there was a story, I think it was in NBC News Today where Kirsten Ohm is exploring just buying planes outright because contracting these planes, chartering these planes, planes is very expensive. It's like if we just had our own fleet, we could be, you know.

[Mike Crispy]

Launching out every day.

[Tim Pool]

It's great.

[Mike Crispy]

It makes you sell her watch.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

And she could buy it.

[Tim Pool]

Look, if she buys, if she buys the planes, you know that she's gonna be wearing a captain's outfit when she buys them.

[Mike Crispy]

Oh, I love it.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

And holding a rifle.

[Tim Pool]

We're gonna jump to this, this story because it's basically the same topic here. From the AP. Trump administration is reviewing all 55 million foreigners with U. S. Visas for any violations Washington, the Trump administration said Thursday it is reviewing more than 55 million people who have valid US visas for any violations that could lead to the deportation, part of a growing crackdown on foreigners who are permitted to be in the United States. In a written answer to the question from the Associated Press, the State Department said all US Visa holders, which can include tourists from many countries, are subject to continuous vetting with an eye towards any indication they could be ineligible for permission to enter or stay in the United States States. Should such information be found, the visa will be revoked. And if the visa holder is in the United States, he or she would be subject to deportation. The US Will also stop issuing worker visas for commercial truck drivers. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Thursday on X. He said the change was effective immediately. So the fact that there are 55 million visa.

[Mike Crispy]

It should be 5,000.

[Tim Pool]

It is.

[Tate Brown]

We all found out this afternoon. Did you see the timeline this afternoon when the story dropped? And everyone's like, 55 million.

[Tim Pool]

So think about the, this 55 million foreigners with visas. Right. And then an additional 20 million that are here illegally in the past four years. So 75 million people. There's only 330.

[Mike Crispy]

We're almost in a third of the country.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, 335 million people. And also this is what they, this is how they figure out apportionment for Congress. This is. They count all, they will count all of those people. I, I'd be willing to bet anything that they're counting visa holders. Maybe they don't count people that are here on a tourist visa. Right. But if you're here on any kind of green card or anything like that, you get counted for the census. These people are not Americans. And they're, they have. And to say that, oh, they only dilute the voting power a little bit. That is a ridiculous assertion now because there's 75 million of them.

[Mike Crispy]

And the Democrats will say it outright that they want these people to count in the census. Yeah, this is all about, that's why they stack them up. Everyone's like, oh, I thought the Democrats, they love the inner city blacks the most most. But what do they do? Where do they put the illegals when they come into the country? They build beds for them in the gymnasiums in, like, inner city Brooklyn. And they say, all right, they're all going to stay there. So you'd say, all right, why are the Democrat politicians pissing off their voting base by putting these illegals, like, in the gymnasiums of the schools where their voters send their kids? And it's because they just want to juice up those census numbers. They want to juice up those census numbers. And when you do that, it also impacts. Impacts the census and that impacts the congressional districts and how many districts you have. And these Democrat politicians would rather have smaller, concentrated liberal districts and more districts of that because for them, it's about their votes in Washington. It's not about serving constituents or anything like that. So that I think the Electoral College, it doesn't. The Electoral College also has a weight based on population as well.

[Tate Brown]

Reps plus.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, Reps. Yep. So the Electoral College has a weight on that. So they want to tilt it and that's why they fight for it. That's why they don't care about their own voters when they throw in the illegals into those inner cities.

[Tim Pool]

That's what I think about it. I mean, the whole point is to affect the makeup of Congress, and that is to dilute the voting power and political power of the existing Americans, the American people that are born here, the people that are citizens, the people that have the right to be here and that have the right. Right to say, we, we object to this. We don't want you to do this. And that's a big part of why Donald Trump was elected, because the American people don't want this. They understand. Even if they didn't understand the technical way that they were doing, the actual method that was being used to dilute their power, they understood that it was happening, and they have for a long time. And I think that's why you have. You had such a turnout for Donald Trump. This is. This is an absolute travesty. And I think that the Trump administration shouldn't just review people that have any violations. Like, if they have. If they have even the smallest violation that they have a traffic ticket, you go. Because this is a problem for the voting population of the American people. It's not just, oh, these, you know, if they're. If they're good, that's okay. No, these people are getting counted in the census, and they affect Congress. So these people need to go. Go.

[Tate Brown]

Well, not just that. Like, they just change America.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Like, we didn't vote on this. We want America to be American. We want it to be culturally American. And they do this thing. Like, even Republicans, they'll concede that it's bad on political grounds. They're like, okay, yes, this is okay. They'll outvote you. But it's like, I think it's perfectly valid as an American and as an American that has family here going back hundreds of years to be a little concerned that there's 75 million foreigners here. It's like, I didn't vote for this. None of us did. So it's like, I. And I'm tired of being gaslit. Like, it's. It's a totally irrelevant conversation to have of, like, the cultural makeup of my country being changed.

[Mike Crispy]

It also is the. The, you know, no matter what you do, it'll never change. Because Republicans made this happen. I mean, and Democrats, but Republicans, too, because this system was built over the last 40 years by Republicans and Democrats. So, you know, no matter who you elect, no matter what they Say I'll vote for me or do this they say might never change.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

And, and you know, it's the problem for me is imagine going to another country and like protesting about any about.

[Tim Pool]

Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

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That's not the itinerary we're following.

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[Mike Crispy]

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[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Anything in another country. So something like this, where they're reviewing all of this. I'm sick of seeing protesters who aren't from this country, like, what are you doing? This is insane. So it, this will help that, I think a little bit.

[Tate Brown]

Well, as. And I mean, because people come here and they impose their will on the United States, I mean, there's a huge difference between, like, the initial settlers that came to this country or even the waves of immigrants, you know, leading up to the Ellis island one wave. Post Ellis island, post the World wars, the stock of immigrants coming are completely different. They're coming here without the intention of assimilating. They're coming here at the intention of changing the country. And in all fairness, the people that are letting them come into the country give them that command. They're saying, you enrich us. Like, your. Your culture's enriching. We want your culture here. And, and you're sitting here like, well, what's wrong with American culture? Why, what's. What, what are we losing by not having a bunch of people from India and Mexico and the Philippines here. It's like, no, we're actually a pretty great country. And they're doing the same thing. The Europeans on steroids. Oh, yeah, yeah. Where, where they're just actively telling people in England like, actually, there's no such Thing as an ethnic Englishman, like, anyone can be English.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

They're like the testing grounds. Europe for us. Yeah, it's insane.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The stuff that's going on in the, in the UK is, Is pretty objectionable to most anybody. And you see it in the, in the way the English people are actually responding. They're starting to put up flat, actually, English flags. And for a long time, time in, in, you know, my life, I remember hearing from my friends from Europe and stuff, they were, they were like, don't you guys think it's a little silly how many American flags you have put up? Don't you think it's a little silly? And they thought it was a little on the crass side. And I was like, nah, man, I've got a thirteen Colonies flag from here to here. You know, it's like, just because you lost the war. Yeah. You know, but now, but that. Now I think that there are a lot of people in Europe that are starting to see the value of, of believing in their nation, believing in their country.

[Mary Morgan]

The immigration situation in the UK is dissimilar to ours in that it's more starkly a cultural difference. Because the immigrants are largely Muslim, the cultural differences are far more noticeable. You could say that Mexican culture and American culture are less dissimilar than Muslim countries. And the UK, it is a racial issue, more so in the US and the mandate has been extremely clear from 2016, I believe 9 out of 10 people who voted for Trump in 26, 2016 are white people. And the message was very clear. And yeah, maybe they don't understand the interest intricacies of how businesses influence the issue, but they're tired of interacting with them. They're tired of interacting with foreigners on a daily basis. They're ornery and rude and inconsiderate.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, I thought these were like, people who were fleeing oppression and seeking asylum, but they come at and act like they own the place and all over the.

[Tim Pool]

That speaks to the difference in culture, though. The, the. There are like, the way what is considered polite here is just not considered polite in different cultures.

[Mary Morgan]

And I, I do believe it's because they're interacting with Americans.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, they behave this way. They definitely size you up. And like, she's saying, I mean, they brought like, what, 50 white South Africans in and I mean, you would have thought we imported the entirety of the Taliban. Like, the way that the leftist media reacted just made it so obvious that it's actually there is a racial component. And they made it very obvious. They played their hand when that happened because for the longest time they were denying it. They were saying, no, they're just looking for a better life. And that came out like, oh, actually, we just hate white people, and we would really like to just breed you out of existence. That's what happened.

[Mike Crispy]

And I think symbolism matters. And if you go to Europe, I was there last summer, and all of the flags are European Union flags. So none of the flags have their own identity anymore. Anywhere you go in Europe, they're flying the European Union flag flag where the flag of their country should be. And I said, why would you fly the flag of this organization that you created? So it's kind of weird. It's almost like they're taking the identity and just trying to wipe it clean, make it one thing. And, you know, that's the globe low.

[Tim Pool]

You know, back to the point of what's going on in the uk. In the uk, they're actually painting potholes with the English flag, the. The red cross, and on a white flag, they're painting that in the bottom of potholes, you know, in order to get the. The magistrate to come and act, actually fill the potholes and fix the roads. And apparently it's working fairly well. But you. You do see a lot of people have actually started to. To fly the. The flag. And I think that people are actually getting in trouble for it too. They're. They're. There's a pushback from the, from the.

[Mary Morgan]

Government itself saying, vandalize this precious pothole.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't think that it's about the potholes, but more when they're actually flying regular flags. But they're like, you know, you should take that down because it's culturally insensitive and the idea that you wouldn't be able to fly your own country's flag in your own country because it might. Might insult someone that is in your country living off your country's large ass. Living off your. Your, your benefits and stuff is. I mean, that's ridiculous to me. But in the UK that's honestly like, that's the, that's the norm. That's the way that it is.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

And, and you could just not leave your house and just tweet something and then get sentenced to two years in jail.

[Mike Crispy]

The guy wasn't there a guy. And he got sent, what. What country was it in the UK where he said, I don't know, want my kids getting raped by these, you know, whatever people, the grooming gangs. And they gave him. Where was that?

[Tim Pool]

The grooming gangs in. In the UK and he got.

[Mike Crispy]

He got sentenced to 20 months in jail.

[Tim Pool]

Something like.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, it happens all the time.

[Tim Pool]

They put like 3,000 people a year in jail now for Facebook posts.

[Tate Brown]

It's crazy. And I. And what you're saying, it's like. It's actually kind of a. There actually is some truth what the government is saying over there, which is, yes, flying the St. George's flag, the English flag, that actually is hostile towards what is currently the ideology of the United Kingdom's government. It does actually stand. It's like identifying with your English heritage and culture is a rebellion against the current status, actually.

[Tim Pool]

That's great. To this point. Put that up, Serge. This is great. You look. These guys are wearing masks in order to fly the flag of England. That is. That is absurd.

[Tate Brown]

Because it is. If you're the government. This is horrifying. Seeing people actually identify and be proud of who they are. That's terrifying. If you're a bureaucra, actually, like.

[Tim Pool]

Like, let's go back and start it from the beginning. And look at. Look at all. Like, you see all these people that are starting to. To fly flags. And this again, I've been to. I've been to the UK, I think, like, 13 or 14 times in my life, and the entire. I've never seen anyone flying the English flag. I would once in a while. Once in a while, I'd see the Union Jack, but I would never see the English flag. And there was a time where, you know, you know, this just didn't happen. And again, this is not that long ago. The last time I was in the UK was 2019, you know, right before COVID happened. And you wouldn't see this, but this is. This is actually speak. It's. It's actually something that's very positive for the country. You know, they're. They're actually standing up for themselves. But it does kind of shock me that you have to wear a mask in order to fly your own country's flag.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

You know, it's a failed society. It's crazy.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And it's like. I mean. I mean, if they can't succeed there, I mean, the UK does always feel like, to some degree, they're 10 years ahead of the United States in a lot of ways. I mean, like, Brexit was a really good indicator of how the Trump election was gonna go. So it's like a lot of people see this in the audience. They kind of roll their eyes and say, well, that's England, or they say, oh, well, that's Canada, or that's Australia like these things. It is true. There is a big difference. The United States is obviously a vastly different culture, even though we are in the Anglosphere. But it is worth keeping an eye on because those trends do affect us to some degree and we are struggling at the same time. Issue. I mean, Mary noted. Okay. The immigration to the UK is culturally far different. I mean, it's like Pakistani stuff. We're getting mostly like Latin American or historically speaking, but it still is fundamentally the same issue. And the issue now the question people are asking, Charlie Kirk is asking this. He's saying, what is an American? That's a question that has to be answered. And same thing in England. They're having to ask what is Englishman?

[Mary Morgan]

And I think people are articulating that simply acquiring a legal citizenship in the U.S. the U.S. does not make you an American.

[Tate Brown]

Paperwork Americans. That's what they call them.

[Mary Morgan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So, I mean, like, look, I, I think that the United States is different in different from England, from the UK From Wales. I do think that, like, the United States doesn't have the same kind of history that the UK does or like England does. England has, like, it's a thousand years old, right? Like, it's, it's got deep history. And there are English people that are English. There aren't the way that, that Americans are Americans. They're, they're American, they're born here. But it's not that there is a racial component to it. You can say that there's, there is a history that Americans share and that, you know, paperwork Americans aren't, aren't real Americans. But you, if you are from another country and you come here, you do actually have the opportunity to become American. But it's more about, do you believe the things that Americans believe? Right? Like, if you come here and you're just coming here because you want to get some kind of benefit or whatever, whatever, or you're just looking for a job. I don't think that person should be allowed to just come in, you know, however. But if you believe in things like, you know, the, the, the found foundational principles that made America right, like property rights and, and the things like that, then I think it's okay for people to come, but they actually have to buy into being an American. It used to be people that came to America stopped speaking their language from their old, their, their old, you know, the old country. That's what the Italians stop doing the, Stop doing the traditions that they had in the old country. And they wanted their kids, kids to become American. And if that's what you're. If that's the way that immigrant behaves, I'm fine with it. Because again, we don't have, we don't have the kind of history where we can see, oh, we have a racial basis in our country.

[Mary Morgan]

No, that's not true. The country was 90% white until 1960.

[Mike Crispy]

New York City. New York City up until, what was it, the post World War II, it was like 95%.

[Tim Pool]

But you'll see now it's 28. Hold on. You still get the arguments. You still get arguments about what, what a white person is because Irish and Italians weren't considered white. The idea about WASPs, like, the, the seriously, like, you can, you can give me the eyes. But it's true. And that's, that's.

[Tate Brown]

We know what's not white. We know it's not American. Like, we can start there and then, and then kind of close in on like, defining.

[Mary Morgan]

Also, just because it's a construct that was normalized because there were so many different European ethnicities in one place, doesn't mean that the construct is meaningless.

[Tim Pool]

From the article.

[Mary Morgan]

Meaningless. Painful.

[Tim Pool]

If the. But the argument about Europeans, that would mean that Mexicans are just as white as, as, as any, as any Americans.

[Tate Brown]

We know what a Mexican. But we know what a Mexican is too.

[Mary Morgan]

Spanish blood.

[Tim Pool]

The Spanish are just as white. The European Spanish are just as white as Italians or, or Southern French.

[Mary Morgan]

Okay, Correct. Mexicans are not ethnically the same makeup as Spaniards.

[Tim Pool]

They're very similar. Well, how, I mean, how like 40%.

[Tate Brown]

In this indigenous is it that much with Mexicans?

[Mary Morgan]

Basically half and half.

[Tim Pool]

But even still, so, I mean, even still, there's a lot of. There's not a simple way to say what a white person.

[Mary Morgan]

Cartels in the US Rolling heads and cutting people's tongues out. Like Aztecs are those people by that.

[Tim Pool]

Those people should get there and get, you know, bombs dropped on their head. But you know, like, if you're actually going to be like, if you're killing people, the guard, the government should wrap you up and throw you in jail. Obviously, that's not saying that's not a coincidence.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And also, like, we have to be realistic with immigration policy in the 21st century because like I had Nathan Howard said on the morning show two, two or three days ago, and he made a really great point, which is the way an immigrant matriculates into American society now in 2025 is vastly different from like 1935, because in 1935, you get on a boat, there's a good chance that's the last time you're ever gonna see where you came from versus now. When you come here, you have your phone, you have your Internet, you're watching tv and you're in your native tongue from your country. You're talking to your family all the time. Like the. The digital age makes it very difficult for an immigrant to properly.

[Mary Morgan]

Immigrants are on the phone all the damn time.

[Tate Brown]

They always have FaceTimes going.

[Mike Crispy]

They're on face, speakerphone, speaker phone.

[Tate Brown]

And that's part of the reason they can never properly assimilate. So it's like I would say they.

[Mike Crispy]

Don'T want to assimilate and they don't assimilate. And I think it was Even in the 70s and 80s, New York City was 60, 70%. I just don't understand how it's dropped so dramatically. 70, 80, 90 white through the 70s, 80s to now. It's in the 20s.

[Tate Brown]

If you look at the demographic, to.

[Mary Morgan]

Divorce American identity from a racial identity.

[Mike Crispy]

I agree, I agree, I agree.

[Tate Brown]

If you look the demographics of the Bronx over the last hundred years, you thought we, like, like lost horror and got invaded.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

It's crazy.

[Mike Crispy]

I thought we won the war.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. What's going on? The Dominican Republic.

[Mike Crispy]

How.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Mike Crispy]

Moved in, kicked out the Italians. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

No, it's 100% true. Like, it is like there is a downplay. The European contribution to the United States, or really the European foundation of the United States is just a matter of disservice. And that's everyone.

[Mary Morgan]

I mentioned earlier that 90% of Trump's voters in 2016 were white voters. The message was very clear. We're white people. We have this candidate who is promising us he will remove these. These foreigners who do not look like us from the country and build a wall so he can make sure that they don't come back. And that's what they voted for. And they didn't get that in 2016. They didn't get what they were promised.

[Tim Pool]

Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

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That's not the itinerary we're following.

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[Mike Crispy]

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[Mary Morgan]

Sounds like up until now because they're not getting deported. Well, I mean, mass deportations are not going to happen. They're not happening and they're not going to happen.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. I don't know that they're not going to happen. I certainly, I don't think that they're going to be deporting just based on race. Like, they're not going to.

[Mary Morgan]

Of course they're not. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that what white voters were voting for in 2016, being nine out of 10 of Trump's biological base, they were voting for people who are culturally and ethnically dissimilar to them to get removed and, and also for them to stay away.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, the, I mean, look what like.

[Tim Pool]

Point that I'm making is that that isn't going to, like, that's not happening. Like, that's not going to happen. And I don't, I don't think that Donald Trump was ever actually offering that.

[Tate Brown]

But look what, look what activated, look what activated his campaign in 2024. I mean, going to 20. Like, the energy in the Trump campaign was starting to struggle a little bit going and fall, fall into the, the elect or summer into the election around the debates. And then Springfield, Ohio happens. Like, right. There's like an Aon on Twitter says they're literally, there's a video and that like, overnight Trump skyrocketed in the polls back to where he was. So it's like, it was great. Yeah. So it's like there is, there is this feeling among Americans that it's like our country is starting to look very foreign and very unfamiliar. And that causes a lot of Aries.

[Mike Crispy]

Point is, is that is directly associated with the whiteness and the Europeanness of, of the country. And that's a very, and that's a very fair point.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And it's not. And, and like, what she's saying, what we're saying is not ridiculous at all because it's like, I would expect someone in, like, in Haiti to feel this way. Right. I would expect someone in China to.

[Tim Pool]

Feel people In Haiti don't have time to feel like this.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I mean, they got running away.

[Tim Pool]

From other people that are maybe Haiti.

[Tate Brown]

But like in China or Japan or Saudi Arabia, like, they, they have the right to like be like, yeah, I'd like my country to stay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Crispy]

Every other country talks like that.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Except. Except Western ones.

[Tim Pool]

Except for Western. Yeah. Except for western countries and Haiti. I, I don't, I don't think that I would consider Haiti a western country.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Barbecue. He's, you know, when you think, when you think soccer, Socratic method, you think of barbecue.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, Haiti guy.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, the Haiti guy.

[Tim Pool]

Haiti's. Haiti's about as much of a basket or about as emblematic of a basket cake case country as you can come.

[Tate Brown]

Kind of like Maryland.

[Tim Pool]

You can't even. Yeah. They can't even build a bridge, man.

[Tate Brown]

You know, boats blowing up all the time. Like, what's going on?

[Mike Crispy]

And, and the dogs and cats was the best part of the Trump campaign.

[Tate Brown]

And I remember, like, I remember how low energy it was starting to feel. And I biggest MAGA guy. Like, I'm pretty much a shill for, for the admin and, and I remember going in like it was, it was like, oh, no, like this Kamala hot swap's gonna work. And then that happens. And everyone like, remembered. They were like, this is what MAGA is about, is making America taking it and making it great again. And we're, we don't want to see like Haitians eating. If you're from the Midwest, you've. And you're from a small town, you've seen this happen. Like, my family comes from, I'm not gonna say which town, but a town in L, Illinois. And it was swapped. You go there now and there's no one left. And they were hot swapped for these people. You don't know where they're coming.

[Mike Crispy]

And the cats are gone, too.

[Tate Brown]

And the cats are gone. And it wasn't the guy.

[Mike Crispy]

Barbecue. No.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we're going to jump to this story from ABC. Trump joins police military in D.C. as he pushes deployment in more cities. President Donald Trump joined police and military in Washington, D.C. on Thursday to oversee the surge in federal law enforcement and National Guard, who are responding to what he said says is a crime emergency in the District. Trump left the White House in the presidential limousine nicknamed the Beast, with US Attorney General Pam Bondi, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller Thursday afternoon and were driven to the U.S. park Police Anacostia Operations Facility in Southeast D.C. they need a copy editor There, there. He spoke with law enforcement members and military personnel and touted the deployment. It's great to be with you. You guys are doing a fantastic job and gals doing an amazing job, he told the crowd, who he said were a healthy, attractive looking group of people. It was not immediately clear if Trump would actually walk the streets with the police and military personnel. The President mobilized the National Guard one week ago to assist the police, claiming crime was out of control. Officials have said the said Guard personnel are not making arrests, only helping to detain people briefly if necessary before handing them off to law enforcement. Violent crime levels have decreased compared to years prior, down 26% since 2024, a 30 year low, according to crime stats released by the city's Metropolitan Police. The police department. Every single person that I hear talking about this that actually dives a little deeper into these kind of numbers is like, this is all bs. The idea that crime is down is, is bs. It was just a, last month, I think someone was, was fired or put on leave for, for faking numbers coming out of D.C. people don't report crime the way that they used to because crimes are not being like, no one's getting arrested and if people do get arrested, they get released again because you got bad days and bad, bad people, bad judges. So the idea that they're actually at a 30 year low, people don't buy it. Even if, even if it is, even if it is lower, people don't believe that it's at a 30 year low. They don't feel that normally. And you see that in the response that people are, are having to Trump's, you know, use of the National Guard. This is extremely popular with the American people, with particularly the people in D.C. you see people putting up TikToks and, and videos and stuff all the time saying they feel like they can go to the gas station and they're not going to get their, their stuff stolen. They feel like they can drive around with their window open and no one's going to try and jack their car. So do you guys think that, that this is just a stunt, Donald Trump walking out there? Do you think this is something good where he's actually being a, being on the ground with people that are, are actually enforcing the law? What do you, what's your take on it?

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Well, I think we must deputize this man. Donald Trump must be deputized.

[Mike Crispy]

Let him shoot, Let him shoot one person. They shot him. Can he shoot one person?

[Tate Brown]

It would send him.

[Mike Crispy]

He deserves something. How many people their life, you Know, if you're in jail, in and out more than like 15 times, you really aren't any value to society. You're dragging the system. Let him shoot one criminal in the ass.

[Tate Brown]

It's not even that big of a deal. They don't even notice we're gone. You know, they don't even notice he's gone. Also, even if the people in D.C. weren't okay with this, like, who cares? Because we're sick and tired of our cities being, like, total dumps, and the people living there are the reason they're a total dump. So it's like, even if they were, like, everyone was in total disarray and they were super angry, it's like, hey, it's our capital. We're gonna do what we want. Want with it, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

So.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

And just seeing one of those tiktoks of, you know, I watched one of the. A black woman with her window open. She's just like, finally, I can just. I'm at a red light. I know I'm not going to get robbed. This is incredible. It's like, so, what a life.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, that is that black woman versus Jasmine Crockett, who said, this is the most racist thing I've ever seen. So it's racist that you're curbing the ability for black people to kill each other and then of any. Any other race of people and just shoot each other in the street. So that's the racist part. So it's Jasmine Crockett versus, versus base black woman in the car.

[Mary Morgan]

I'm almost considering walking around D.C. at night. I might do it.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's funny that they. That like, the. The left, you know, the left's hypocritical. I know, Shocking. But that they made like, the most overt racist statement out of anyone in the last week, where they, like, we're like, hey, the crime in Baltimore and D.C. and Memphis is pretty bad. And they're like, that's so racist to point that out. And it's like, these are the blackest cities in America. Like, that's. You made that point, not me.

[Mary Morgan]

I mean, I'll make that point. Some white guy who lives in D.C. made another one of these tiktoks about. About it. And he was running. He was on a run at night around D.C. and talking about his observations. I have no idea if any of it is true because he didn't provide evidence. But he said that when he saw some of the militarized police on a street corner, one of like, he saw. I saw this. This Black mother walking with her son. And she said to her son, hold my hand, sweetie. You know, don't want them to get any bad ideas. You don't want any trouble with these guys.

[Mike Crispy]

But the black mother said that to her son.

[Mary Morgan]

Her son, who he said was like, you know, 12 years old or something, like they're just about to start, like randomly arresting black people for walking on the street. Like, literally, like walking while black.

[Mike Crispy]

Like modern. That's the modern Rosa Parks of our time.

[Tate Brown]

If, you know, you wait till the Trump drive by starts.

[Mike Crispy]

If you know about the Rosa Parks.

[Tate Brown]

It'S about that you had a car.

[Mike Crispy]

Parks might have had a car, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Very wealthy husband.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, I know. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, that to Mary's point, the, that notion is what fueled an entire summer of riots in the country. Like when George Floyd was killed, the argument that people were making was, oh, black people are getting gunned down in the streets by police. And Even people like LeBron James was saying, they're out here hunting us. This was a total, this was a total fabrication. It's true.

[Mike Crispy]

He said it.

[Tim Pool]

And it's a total fabrication. And that's why, that's what the justification was for an entire summer of loot, looting, burning cities, destroying property. And, and people realized too late, of course that it was BS and that's why there's been such a backlash or that that's why so many people have stopped caring about things like Black Lives Matter. Everyone saw what kind of scam that was. The money that the people that were running it stole. They, they had. All you had to do is, is say that you were giving your money to Black Lives Matter or you had some Black Lives Matter affiliated organization and you could run ads and people were just scamming the crap out of.

[Mary Morgan]

Oh yeah, it was the money that was going to BLM was going to like non binary homeless shelters or something. Like, it was so insane.

[Tim Pool]

It was all garbage. And it ended up going and just, just going in people's pockets. Like the, the people that were the, the, you know, the leaders.

[Mary Morgan]

Colors.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, colors she had, they had, you know, they had mansions and multiple homes and stuff in LA and stuff. And it's like that kind of idea is still around and it's something that honestly, honestly, it needs to be, it needs to be remedied. And you can't just stamp it out of people. You know what I mean? You can't just be like, you can't beat people up over the. Beat people over the head and be like, you're wrong. This isn't the way they just dig their, their heels in. But that attitude is something that comes with all the DEI stuff, with all of the, the critical race theory stuff, the stuff that you. That Donald Trump is taking out of the Smithsonian, all the stuff that they're taking out of the, the museums. We talked about this the other day. The whiteness stuff, the idea that white people are evil and stuff. It's a ridiculous idea, but it's what fuels the. It fueled Ferguson back in 2013. It fueled the George Floyd riots. And it's a, It's a literal cancer in this country. These ideas are a literal cancer that will destroy this country.

[Mike Crispy]

The biggest, the biggest enslavers of black people are black people. So, I mean, that's like. So they are on themselves. I actually like what Trump's doing with the museums. I think that's good.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely.

[Mike Crispy]

I think that, that, I think that it sends a message. And what he's doing in D.C. i like what he's doing in D.C. because it's the only city where you could, like, instantly do it. You know, I mean, New York City's going to hell. But, like, in these other cities, they try to fight. They try to have elections, you know, Republicans maybe win one out of every 10 times in these, you know, blue cities. But in D.C. you can kind of just do it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Mike Crispy]

So he's all right. It's. It's a city. We can do it, so let's just do it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Mike Crispy]

And I think it's good.

[Tate Brown]

I remember it was. I think it was during 2020, during the riots, when they would have these, like, these, these big Instagram posts where they would be like. It was like, mostly black celebrities, and they'd be like, I just had to have the talk with my son. And it was like this thing where they would basically just make them paranoid of police, like, at a really early age. So it's like you're saying it's like, okay, we can blame. We can blame, you know, what's happening in schools, and that's obviously a big problem that needs to be stopped. But it's like, also within the black community, they are, like, traumatizing themselves by, by, like, what? There's like, six unarmed black men get shot a year, and that's what they're on about.

[Tim Pool]

12 or 13 average.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, yeah, 12 or 13. My bad.

[Tim Pool]

In a country, in a country of 334 million, 12 or 13 black people are, Are, are that are unarmed, are shot.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

And then you have LeBron James with a book that he never read, will not read perpetually.

[Tate Brown]

That's kind of relatable, though. I'm pretty performative reader as well.

[Mike Crispy]

That's relatable.

[Tate Brown]

My macho and my book that I.

[Mike Crispy]

Don'T read and but him going to the Diddy parties was not relatable, so.

[Tate Brown]

Definitely not at all relatable.

[Mary Morgan]

Here's what I can't get over about 2020, though, is just why, why didn't Trump crack down on it then?

[Mike Crispy]

I completely agree.

[Tate Brown]

He should have agree.

[Mary Morgan]

I don't think I still hold it against him.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think that Trump was aware because I don't think.

[Mary Morgan]

What.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Mary Morgan]

You don't think Trump is aware that people were rioting in every major state.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, okay. No, I'm sorry. I thought, I thought you were talking about, about something else. That's why I was, I was wondering.

[Mary Morgan]

Why, why wouldn't he crack down with militarized police or the National Guard then?

[Tim Pool]

Well, because he didn't was a rare.

[Mary Morgan]

Trump L. Yeah, there's just no excuse for it. He argued, maybe thought this is going to make the left look so bad. That was what he.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

I was told that that's what, that's what I've heard that he was told by many people, like, this is just making you look really good. Let it go.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I think that was part of.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Not that that's a good answer.

[Mary Morgan]

I mean, I guess they were going to steal it regardless, but still, that's.

[Tim Pool]

Why, that's why he's cracking down now. He's learned such bad, bad advice. And to be honest with you, like, I don't know who was in his ear, you know, his first presidency, but it was not a situ like Trump was totally unprepared for, for winning in 2016. And he brought on terrible people. And thankfully, the four years that he had, you know, when he was not the president, he learned a lot and he listened to people and he talked to people that, that, that, you know, were not insiders that actually had a wise view of how things work in Washington, not a, an inside view that was looking to benefit themselves. And he listened to him and you see it, you saw it when he was, when he was running. You saw the way that he ran up to 2024 to get elected. And you see it now in the way that he's, he's actually executing because the whole. As much as you don't think that he's doing enough, enough to, to get people out of the country, he's doing way more than he was doing in 2016.

[Mike Crispy]

Also they said, I think back then they were saying, oh, you know, you don't have the jurisdiction to do this or you can't send in the the national.

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[Mike Crispy]

And I think, like, if Los Angeles is an example of, you know, Trump in 2016 versus 2024, 2020, rather, in 2024, I think he just sent in the National Guard into LA unilaterally. Like, he didn't go through the process last time he was, I guess, being told that he couldn't do it. I totally thought he should have done what he did in LA and just quelled it immediately because nobody deserves to live in a, you know, city that's getting burned down. Yeah, but he didn't. But I guess in L. A he learned his lesson. Would you say that he did it better in LA because he just didn't listen. He just said, all right, I'm just sending him in, don't care.

[Tim Pool]

And look, the amount of actual contact that the National Guard had to have with the population in LA was almost none. You didn't see National Guardsmen actually fighting with, with the crowds. It was the police and the National Guard were just there making sure the police could do the their jobs. I don't remember seeing any video of dudes in, in multicam fighting with dudes. Hardly ever. There were a handful of times where they were, they were, they had gas masks and they had shields, but it wasn't like they were holding people down. They were just preventing the rioters from attacking the police, they weren't wrapping people up at all.

[Tate Brown]

That would have been great. That would have been really popular with the base if he did that. I mean, people, the anger during the LA riots, the recent one, were like, was so palpable. Like, you would speak to just your average, you know, your average Trump voter. And they were furious. They're like, no, please, we're so tired of this happening. And then like, just please crack down on this. And we wanted to see like, Stephen Miller deployed, like Darth Vader, like, emerging from the mob of National Guard. Like, that's what we want. That's what the base, I mean, that's.

[Tim Pool]

What the base wants. I understand that, but that's not, that's not good optics. And I know that that's not a popular thing to say around this table tonight. But the fact, the fact that matter is. The fact of the matter is it. Those things do matter because if you lose public support, you don't have the ability to do anything. You listen, Donald Trump, as long as he's got public support, he can do whatever he wants. And, and I think that Barack Obama was, was an example of that. He had public support and he got away with all kinds of stuff that.

[Mike Crispy]

Got away with not even being born here, literally.

[Tim Pool]

But, but that's, that's to my point. If you have popular support, the President can get away with all kinds of things, but you have to do it in a smart way that keeps the popular support. If you just do things that's unpopular with the American people, the American people will turn against you and then you can't do anything. That's just the truth. I, I know that there are people that, that want, you know, wanted to be Darth Vader and come out and do all this stuff and blah, blah. And I get it because that's what I would like to see. But that's not, that doesn't function in reality.

[Mary Morgan]

Reality, you know that in the way that that affects his current term or the way that that affects electability for the next Republican, the way that it.

[Tim Pool]

Affects the people that the people on the street. You like, if he did something that was really beyond the pale, there would be enough people in the street to make it look like he's done something that the whole of the country doesn't like. And I mean, he would lose support. He's got like 52% approval rating now. If he got down to 35% percent, like, he wouldn't be able to do anything. Anything that he does, he would get protests and people out on the street. And that would also motivate and inspire the left. I mean, that's a problem.

[Tate Brown]

You do have the seas to a certain degree, because the left is completely demoralized right now. They have no leadership. They don't know what's going on. And then also the US Aid money's dried up, so, like, half of their mechanisms they can't even use right now. And so it's like, and I do think Trump is doing a great job of this, but it is like, yes, now is the time to execute. Now is the time put your foot on the gas. Because like you said, this window, I mean, you know, knock on wood. What if we lose the midterms now? We're dead in the water.

[Tim Pool]

And again, this is not me disagreeing with any of the points that you guys have made or, or having like some kind of strong disagreement about what should be done. I'm just trying to, to talk about the reality of the situation and how things have to be, how, how the things have to work in the United States.

[Mary Morgan]

I don't like talking about reality.

[Tim Pool]

I know you don't marry.

[Mary Morgan]

You're ruining the fun. The reality is, is actually that Democrats are going to almost certainly win a majority in the House in the midterms.

[Tim Pool]

That's why he should do all the redistricting.

[Mary Morgan]

He's going to attempt impeachment no matter what he does.

[Tate Brown]

That's why the redistricting battle, like, matters. Because if we can pry, pick off six to eight seats, I think that keeps your House majority. Cause, I mean, you are correct, as it stands right now, there is a better than nothing chance that, yeah, the Democrats retake the House. So that's why we need to get this across.

[Mary Morgan]

Not better than nothing. I mean, in my mind, it's like over 50%.

[Mike Crispy]

I'm a little worried about it because it to your point, if you look at what's going on right now in the Senate, like there are Senates in recess, everybody's in recess for the summer. And they're calling these like, I don't know what they call them, but there's a name for it, pro forma sessions or whatever. So Trump can't make recess appointments. You know what I'm talking about? So he has 160 plus people who have been appointed into very important spots that cannot get into the spots because they're waiting for their Senate confirmation. So Thune, who is the Senate Senate leader, is calling these pro forma sessions.

[Tim Pool]

Unreal.

[Mike Crispy]

So Trump cannot make the recess appointment. So if the if the, if the Congress, that's the Senate and House is out for a certain amount of time, the President can appoint them for like 180 days or something. So that'd be great. But they're putting the House in session, the Senate for a day or for an hour or whatever. So Trump can't do it. Why isn't Trump freaking out about that? And are those the people who are going to be backing the Trump when the Democrats take the House and they try to impeach him? Who's backing them up? How are we gonna get anything done in the last two years? We're basically running until the end of this year because when the election season starts, all these swing district Republicans are gonna be massive pussies cuz they care about winning the R +1 or the D +2 that they hold. So we're not gonna get things through. They're gonna start talking mushy, it's gonna become disjointed. So I think you make a great point.

[Tate Brown]

Well yeah, I mean the House members are already freaking out over the Texas redistricting. Like Kevin Kiley, he's a congressman out of California, Republican.

[Mike Crispy]

He's saying that for his own purposes.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, he's like losing his mind because like the national GOP is trying to make a move and he's just trying to save his own seat. I'm like, we're just not locked in at all as a part. I mean it's like great, the Trump admins, you know, firing all cylinders to, to a large extent. But like the House GOP is still plagued by the same problems that have plagued us for a very long time, which is people look out for themselves and not the country at large.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's the problem. I mean look, that's the problem with representative government. Like they're going to look out for themselves, they're going to look out for their constituencies. The problem another, and another part of the problem with, with representative government is they, there's no reason for us to have federalized all of this crap that we do. All of this stuff that's, you know, that's nationwide and stuff. We are in a different world now than we were 250 years ago. But like the idea of having the same laws in Massachusetts and Florida and California was, is just ridiculous if you go by what the founder said. So I don't know that there is a solution solution. But in, in we were, we were talking about Donald Trump and we're going to jump to this story real quick from the Post Post Millennial DC Goes a Full Week without a homicide after Trump crime crackdown Now, I don't know when the last time they went a whole week without a homicide, but I think that that's good. Bar is low as March for the first time in months, Washington, D.C. has gone seven consecutive days without a homicide following President Donald Trump's federal takeover of the city's police force and deployment of the National Guard. The rare streak confirmed Wednesday comes during the summer season, when homicide levels are typically at their highest. The last time the Capitol reported zero killings for a full week was in March. Other crimes have also dropped sharply. According to the figures cited by the local police union, Robbery declined by 46% in the week after the federal control began. Carjackings fell 83% and overall violent crime was down 22%. The crime freeze began the day after a fatal shooting in Logan Circle, which occurred just hours after Trump announced the move. At the time, Representative Eric Swalwell said on social media that Trump owns this. Critics have since noted that the statement could apply to the decline as well. Of course it could. Law enforcement saturation in high crime areas has drawn comparisons to tactics used in New York city in the 1990s under then mayor Rudy Giuliani, when murders fell by more than half in his first term. Observers pointed out that the deployment of the National Guard outside DC's Union Station long hotspot for homelessness and drug activity, as an example of the new approach. Approach. I think that this is something that is just overall positive. I don't think there's, I don't think there's a downside. You know, I don't think that there's, there's anybody that can say, oh, here's the bad thing. I want the Democrats to keep complaining about it because it, it just reinforces the fact that they're totally unserious and actually have no policies to, to talk about other than Trump bad and, but that's the same thing they've been talking about for ages. There's only so many times that the American people can, can hear he's a threat to our democracy and actually think that it means something. They've lost. They've definitely lost the, the swing voters. Trump's approval rating last I saw again was like 52 or something like that, which is sky high for Donald Trump and conservatives, especially in such a polarized time.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I mean, this is just an example of you can just do things right. I mean, it's very obvious. They've taken a page out of El Salvador Here, I mean, El Salvador. Salvador, it was just like a total disaster zone. And Bukele is just like, oh, you can just like end this. Like, this is. Crime is optional in 2025.

[Tim Pool]

It is a policy choice.

[Tate Brown]

Yes, it is optional. The left loves crime because they love filth and they hate their fathers and they hate America. They hate themselves. They hate themselves. They hate beauty. And what is more beautiful than like, Union Station? Right? Union Station is a very beautiful place. Very dignified to take a train in the Union Station until you see homeless people pooping everywhere. I mean, it looks like India. It's a total disaster. So it's like, no, this is beautiful. This is beautiful. Have a clean, nice train station. The left hates this. Left hates all of this. So yeah, you can just do things.

[Mary Morgan]

Violent criminals only understand the language of violence. And people, especially on the left, but more generally have misgivings about criminality and what makes criminals criminals. They need to understand that violent criminals are ontologically criminals and they, they will be criminals for the rest of the their lives. That's, that's who they are. That's what they are. They cannot be rehabilitated. They cannot be social worked into being functional human beings in society. That's just what they are. They are ontologically criminal and they will never change. So they have to be dealt with, with, with fear and with violence because it's the only thing they understand. It's the only thing they respond to.

[Tim Pool]

We had Z. Garcam in here a couple days ago and he's a former law enforcement. I think he's actually retiring. And one of the things that I said to him was like, look, you know, you know, tell me if I'm wrong. You know, the actual bad actors in your, in your area. If you're a police officer and you're, you know, patrolling the same area, they know exactly who the bad guys are.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Arrested them 20 times.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tate Brown]

The re. Offense rate for violent criminals is two out of three.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's so the, the way to deal with violent crime is arrest those people and put them in jail. If you do that, you can actually get crime even in poor places. Because poverty does not drive, drive crime, but crime does drive poverty. This is a, a point that Sean, the. What's his, he's. What's his name? Actual justice warrior on YouTube. Shout out to Sean. What?

[Tate Brown]

Cheryl? Sean.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Fitzgerald. That's it. He, he makes this point all the time. If you have an area that is high crime, that will drive businesses out, that will drive investment out, that will drive all of the good things, society out of the area. But if you have, if you go in and you take care of the crime, there is money to be made in providing lowcost housing to people that don't have a lot of money. There is money to be made in putting in, you know, bodegas or, or shops for people that don't have a lot of money to go somewhere and buy the things that they need. But if you have a high crime area, no one wants to invest because they're going to lose their money, they're going to lose their investment. Poverty does not drive crime, but crime does drive poverty. There are poor places all over the that have lower crime rates than places like D.C. and they're poor, but they're not criminal because they're not inherently criminal people. And it doesn't take very much to actually wrap up the criminals and throw them in jail.

[Tate Brown]

Well, when you're dealing with a place like D.C. someone's rights are going to get violated. It's either the criminals or it's the innocent people just trying to go for a walk and not get, you know, knocked over the head. So it's like if someone's, if someone's rights are going to get violated, violated, it should be the criminals. Like, sorry. I mean, it's unreal that we have to deal with this in the United States, in every city, in every city where places like Baltimore and St. Louis and Memphis have crime rates equivalent, if not worse. I was actually looking at the stats. Our violent crime rate in Baltimore is worse than Johannesburg, South Africa. Like, how is this, how is this tolerable?

[Mike Crispy]

It's absolutely, I mean, in the people in New York City. I mean, New York City, nobody takes the subway, for example, especially after a certain time, because they're worried about rising instances of people getting pushed on the tracks. So then they say, okay, I can't do the subway. They take the bus, do they drive and pay this congestion fee thing? So they're stuck without a choice. I say you're accepting the fact that the criminals are running the system. Like, you can't take the subway because you're worried about crime. You can't walk these blocks because you're worried about the crime. And they just keep voting for it. And the criminals are the ones running the system and not being people say, do I either pay the money? Because New York City passed a congestion tax, so if you come into the city, you now pay $9 a day. So these people pay either $9 a day or they could Take the public transit. And to take the public transit, they got to run the risk of getting violently assaulted or anything like that, particularly at night time. And it's only going to get worse.

[Mary Morgan]

Who is that maniac, that Daniel Penny?

[Mike Crispy]

Neely. His name is Jordan Neely.

[Mary Morgan]

Jordan Neely.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah.

[Mary Morgan]

Yeah.

[Mike Crispy]

Deserved it.

[Mary Morgan]

Specifically showed me how hilarious it is that people, like, ascribe this deep textured interior life to the criminal. Yeah, but he doesn't have.

[Mike Crispy]

He was a Michael Jackson impersonator.

[Mary Morgan]

Like, the criminal only acts. He does not think, he doesn't premeditate, he just does.

[Mike Crispy]

And the criminal would absolutely obliterate any of the white liberals defending him on television or the black liberals defend mental health struggles.

[Mary Morgan]

And I don't know what is he thinking when he, when he threatens to murder everyone on the train? Like, I don't know, like, I didn't have a good relationship with my father. Like, what, what is, what do they ascribe to this man's interior life? That, that they think this can be explained away with, like, childhood trauma or something?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Like, what do they think he was missing in life? Like, how he ended up like this? Like, what? He didn't. He got like, rejected for a job or something.

[Mary Morgan]

He's heartbroken.

[Tate Brown]

Maybe he's a sensitive young man that could.

[Mary Morgan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

I heard this guy in New York City that was on the subway and another guy was like heckling this woman, and the guy went in, stepped in to stop it, and the guy who was heckling the woman slashed this guy with like a box cutter on his face. Slash his face up. Fast forward like a month or two later, they go to court. And when he goes to court, the woman who he helped was actually siding with the criminal who slashes. I mean, that's New York for you guys.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, that's New York.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah. It makes it. You have no incentive, and they want it like that. No incentive. You go, listen, these people are all fucked up. They're liberal. If somebody's getting harassed, you just. I'm just going to mind my own business. It's not me. And I'll just let it happen. And that's like a. You're, you're taking away the culture, the New York culture, the humanism, the humanic nature of it. You have no type of community or semblance of, you know, we're all in this together. And that is destroying the. What it is to be an American. Right. You're not American at that point. You're just like a vessel in this, like, Gotham City type thing. Of deal. Trying to survive. Trying not get hit by a Indian trucker.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Mike Crispy]

Trying to not get slashed on the subway. Every man for themselves and there's no sense of community. Nobody speaks the same language. Nobody looks the same, he acts the same.

[Mary Morgan]

And these ungrateful are going to testify against you. Try to be a hero. I was hoping you were going to say, fast forward, two months later, they go on a date, hit it off.

[Tate Brown]

That'd be kind of nice.

[Mary Morgan]

She me like, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

So what mode of transport is safe in America? You can't take the train because of the, like, schizophrenic crackheads. You can't drive. You'll get smacked into by an Indian, you know, semi truck. You can't fly because you'll get hit by like a Blackhawk.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

You can't Uber because you can't afford it.

[Tate Brown]

You can't Uber.

[Mike Crispy]

You can't ride the bus because not good smells.

[Tate Brown]

You'll get kicked out of your seat, too.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, that too.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. So it's. And the smell.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, it's very bad.

[Mary Morgan]

People just sleep on the bus.

[Tate Brown]

You can't bike because bikes. That's just gay. You can't do that. So it's like, what. What are we supposed to do as Americans, our rights are being violated and every.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

That's when you go, things are going wrong. There's a lot of bicycles, there's a lot of scooters coming back.

[Tim Pool]

It's true.

[Tate Brown]

People are willing to endure the heck.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

I mean, there, you know, the sidewalk's one thing, but I'm like, you know, this is your. This is your.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, I saw someone rocking helies the other day. I mean that. If that doesn't tell you how bad crime's getting, I don't know what will. I don't know what will.

[Mike Crispy]

We're almost at the end times.

[Tate Brown]

We're swirling the drain. Yeah, the Heelys, Really? That's a recession indicator if I've ever seen one.

[Tim Pool]

Your car is always the best option.

[Tate Brown]

Just, you know, my car specifically.

[Tim Pool]

No, not your car. Your own personal vehicle is. Is always the best.

[Mary Morgan]

You don't park it anywhere.

[Tim Pool]

Pardon me. Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

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That's not the itinerary we're following.

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[Mike Crispy]

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[Mary Morgan]

You don't want to park it anywhere in the city though.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, car.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I don't want to go.

[Tate Brown]

To the cinder blocks.

[Mike Crispy]

Get put on cinder blocks.

[Mary Morgan]

That's the thing. We cannot resign ourselves to the idea, like, just don't go to cities. Don't live in cities.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Mary Morgan]

Engage with cities. We cannot.

[Mike Crispy]

Why do we. And by the way, the nicest areas in this country, like, the nicest areas, the best objective real estate, I'm not talking about what they do to it, but the best reality real estate, there's none of our. Like, nobody speaks English in those places. You know, it's none of our people. It's not.

[Tim Pool]

People speak English in Calabasas.

[Mike Crispy]

Well, I'm talking about on the east coast of New York because I live on the. I live on the waterfront between New York and. Well, in New York City. In the best areas in New York City. Nobody in the parks, Nobody in the places speak English. They're all. They're all Muslims or they're all Indians or they're all Koreans. And where I live specifically, it's the stretch of the water overlooking Manhattan. And I look at it and I walk around and nobody.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, yes. Yeah, people are like that.

[Mike Crispy]

I understand a place like California that might not be.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's like New York. And people are like, how could. How could someone like Zoron get in? I'm like, you don't. You don't know. Have you ever been to New York City? Like, walk around? I mean, like, it. Look, it's like a bizarre there. I mean, it's crazy.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Me and my wife go to Montauk every year. And every year, I'm telling you, it gets worse and worse with like, when you go to a restaurant, you look around and like, there's like Russian people speaking Russian people speaking Japanese. Every year it gets less and less American and it's like people can't afford it out here.

[Tim Pool]

That's part Of It's.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

We're becoming like the Tijuana of, like, every. We're all going to be serving the. The visitor.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Every mall, literally every mall in Northern Virginia is like a model UN now. I mean, it's like a total disaster. And like, it's not even. I'm not even concerned about delinquency. It's like, these people could all make more money than me. That's perfect. Perfectly fine. It's that it's not American. I'm an American. I want. I want my children to grow up in a country that looks like America. And that's devastating. That that's not. My inheritance is being robbed right before my very eyes.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean, look, there's. There's. And there's a lot of young people that feel the way you do. You know, there's.

[Tate Brown]

That's why we're all like radical schizos. I'm normal. I'm like a moderate. But just a sensible conservative.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yeah, sensible conservative. Yeah, fair enough. But I mean, I do think that that that actual perspective that you're. You're articulating, I think that that's something that is. It's extremely popular nowadays. And I think that that's part of why Donald Trump has been so successful. Like, he was. What is it like he had, like, what was his numbers with Gen Z?

[Tate Brown]

It was like, almost. Almost half, which is remarkable.

[Tim Pool]

Incredible for a. For.

[Tate Brown]

And like. And then they. I mean, we talked about it on the show is like, there was this poll that came out where Gen Z soured on Trump seemingly overnight, and Tim made the point, and it's true is like, that's not them thinking, oh, you know, Trump's too conservative. That's them outflanking him to the right. And they're like, oh, he's not deporting enough people. Like, people do not realize how angry zoomers are about what's been done to their country.

[Tim Pool]

The argument that Donald Trump was the moderate option is a very true statement. Donald Trump is a Democrat from the 90s. Genuinely. He's not a. A far right guy. As much as the left wants to cast him as such. He is not particularly far right. None of his policy prescriptions are in any way far right at all. And the, The American people don't understand what's coming when it comes to. When Gen Z is not just, you know, is. Is really politically active. Now, granted, there's not a lot of Gen Z. Oh, yeah, like, compared to.

[Tate Brown]

They boarded a quarter of us.

[Mary Morgan]

It was estimated 20, 28% of Gen Z was aborted.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Mary Morgan]

That is almost a billion people.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Crazy.

[Mary Morgan]

It's about, it's about 900 million babies that were Gen Z that were aborted.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And Trump Admin is an olive branch.

[Tim Pool]

When you hear. Yeah, exactly. When you hear stuff like that though, I think that that actually will harden. Harden at least some people. And maybe this is just because I got a baby on the way but like the idea of outlawing abortion seems obvious to me. And the idea of possibly outlawing the pill is like, well maybe that's what the human race needs because the, the, the fact that the birth rates are down in the United States, it's not just in the us it's globally. Except for like Africa.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. I think like Mali still above keeping their head above water. But it's like all these theories that people had about like birth rates through like, like it's when people go from substance farming to like industrialization, the birth rate drops and then like two years ago India goes sub replacement. So it's like all that theory, all this social science went out the window and everyone's like, oh, it's feminism. Oh yeah. It's actually very simple. It's like the pill and it's like people comparing themselves to other people. It's actually very simple and we can fix this by just being kind of mean. Yeah, yeah. Like all the social science went out the window literally. I remember like studying this like, you know, there's all this complex economic theory and everything. It's not a bit of a birth control and like. Yeah. And people get on TikTok and see hot people and like, oh, I don't want to. I'm not going to sell for anyone. Except that that's all, that's all that's going on. That's the only way you can explain India going separate placement.

[Mary Morgan]

Can never live in a pre birth control world again. Like the technology has been unleashed.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Mary Morgan]

That's the asymmetry between men and women has been flattened. We don't know what to do now.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Well now there's new birth controls. Like I think it's called meta.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

And your girlfriend's gonna be in the cloud and that's birth control.

[Tate Brown]

If Funko pops Unavoidable birth control. I mean it's getting out of control. I agree with her. I think the only way out of this mess, and I hate to sound like you know, you know, soapbox person, but it's like religiosity, specifically Christianity. That's the only way out of this mess.

[Tim Pool]

Seriously, I don't know that that, not that I, not that I think that that won't help, but I don't know that that's going to be a thing, you know, for enough people. And I was talking about this, I think it was last night, like a lot of the questions that were answered by religion are no longer questions. Right. For a long time for the vast majority of human history, all of the questions that, that God answered have been answered.

[Mary Morgan]

That's, that's an irreligious point of view that.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, let me, let me get finished my point because right now people, people need religion, right? Religion is more like a language than anything else. Religion is ubiquitous throughout human history. So whether it be. It doesn't matter where the people are or how far apart in time they are, every single civilization has had some kind of religion. And the, the seculars of today have replaced God with basically themselves.

[Mike Crispy]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

That's why there's the whole, the trans stuff is really self worship. The, the, because you're, the idea that you can be anything you want that's like godlike. The idea that you can create a perfected world that's a godlike. So really what's happening happened is the, the, the religions that we remember or the religions that, that came before have been replaced in, in Western countries with this secular religion. And it doesn't have to have a Christlike figure. Even though the Christlike figures are what people think of when they think of religion. When they think of a God like, like the Christian God or whatever or the Catholic God or the, the Muslim God, that's not necessary for religion. That is one type of religion. But there's all, there's all kinds of other religions that have. And man today in the west has replaced the traditional religions with this kind of secular religion. And so whether or not you can convince whether or not people will believe in the older religions isn't whether or not they will believe in religion.

[Mary Morgan]

Well, I, I don't know if it's a question of whether or not Gen Z is going to show any interest in, in traditional religion. It's already happening. Yeah, I, I just reminded myself of this stat. Okay. There was a 6% increase in Gen Z identifying as Catholic specifically between 2022 and 2023. That's huge. That's huge. And also.

[Tim Pool]

But it's Gen Z who are the smallest of generations.

[Mary Morgan]

The number of churchgoing young people is increasingly male. That's never been the case before. Historically, historically. So now the majority of churchgoing Gen zers are male.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's historically because men are the most lost in this modern world.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's because like you said. Okay. A lot of these questions are being answered like okay, where does the sun go? Etc, Etc. It's like that's what like okay, the scientific. We can, we can. That'll be Dawkins and John Lennox can debate that. We'll leave that. That's like the highbrow stuff. It's the basic question that's the, that drives every human being when they go to sleep at night. Night is who am I? Why am I here? Where am I going to go when I die? And science will never ever, ever, ever answer that question. Ever. And God will. And well, I mean I answered.

[Tim Pool]

I agree that, that those questions are basic and that they're, they're fundamental to the human experience. Right. I just don't know that people are going to go to God in enough numbers where it would actually change the crashing birds birth rates. I mean that's my, that's my point.

[Mary Morgan]

The other place they're going, they're retreating to basically witchcraft.

[Tim Pool]

Well, fair. Yeah.

[Mary Morgan]

I mean witchcraft is gaining popularity specifically with women, but also overall like it's been commercialized into a multi billion dollar industry Charger crystals. You can't escape it. It's everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean, yeah.

[Mike Crispy]

What's up with the Labubu?

[Tim Pool]

That's part of my point. Right. Like it. Just because there has been an increase in traditional religion doesn't mean that it's actually going to be the thing that's fixing the our population going off the cliff. You know what I mean?

[Tate Brown]

I mean like restoring the west to the pre modern state of things is going to take more than generation. But I'm much more optimistic about the children that Zoomers will raise actually than I am of the generation that boomers and Gen X rays, no offense because I mean I love Gen Xers, but it's just true is the fact that Zoomers have effectively figured all this out on their own is a very strong indicator for what the next generation that Zoomers are going to birth are going.

[Mary Morgan]

To institutions like the church and marriage just have a way of reasserting themselves.

[Tim Pool]

Well that way is because if everyone in the one side is saying, oh I'm going to abort all my children and I'm not going to have any.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Kids and I don't think this is the way forward and I can't bring.

[Tim Pool]

Kids in the world, then the people that are having children are going to inherit the earth no matter what you do, it's going to end up that way.

[Tate Brown]

And the children that we have as right wingers will be much more well rounded. They'll be, they just, they're just going to want it more than the kids that whatever kids, the left wingers manage.

[Mike Crispy]

Not to abort, be selecting their, their, you know, gender or if they identify as a cat, you know, in these schools they have the litter boxes for.

[Tate Brown]

The children and there's traits like, like neuroticism that are just like passed along. So it's like the left is like giving them like a basket case. They're all gonna have like, you know, all these different, you know, problems. They'll be collecting laboos and the right wingers are just gonna be like, like, yeah, it's fantastic.

[Mike Crispy]

Making money, doing, you know, things.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right, well, we're gonna go to super chat, so would you smash that like button? Share the show with your friend. Head on. Friends, head over, like to, over to rumble.com so you can join us for the after show, which comes up in about 20 minutes. We can say whatever we want. There's no YouTube limits or YouTube censorship. And then after that you want to head on over to Timcast.com and join the Discord. So that way you can call into the after show, you can talk to the panel, you can ask our guest questions, you can find like minded people. You can maybe start your own podcast. There's like four different podcasts that have started, started in the, in the Discord. You can maybe meet a girlfriend, maybe have kids, maybe get married. You know, all those good things that the, the wholesome stuff that you can find in community. And that's what we want to see. We want to see people joining the Discord and, and engaging in a community of like minded people. But right now we're gonna go to Super Chats. Hector Garcia says, how much longer are you planning on wearing the Phil skin suit? I mean, I think it's clear that I'm not Tim. You know, Tim's been doing this a long time. He's, he's, he's much better at driving the ship that I, than I am. So I think it's pretty clear that, that I'm not, that Tim is not me and I'm not Tim. When Tim comes back, I'll be right over there. You know, let's see. Jake says false accusations should hold the same punishment as what you are accusing someone of. I'm not sure the context in this, but I don't, I don't have a.

[Mike Crispy]

Problem with that, that was when we were talking about Schiff and you know, should shift face the death penalty for accusing Trump of treason, which, the penalty his death. So one would say in a civilized society, the answer would be yes.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, I think that he should, he should face whatever the, the, whatever the extent of the law will allow. So whatever the, the, whatever the most.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

I'll take Hammurabi's code.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, there we go. T bomb 85 says stop giving CDLS to people from countries where they drive like a game of chicken. They don't think twice to run you off the road out here in the Southwest. I mean, look, that's kind of the point that Mary was making, right? Like if, if you have people that disregard the rules of your country, they're certainly not going to take into account the rules of the road. And I think that, that it is a good thing to prevent those kind of people from coming here. If they are here, round them up and send them back home to someplace that is more accommodating of their lifestyle and culture. Let's see. Shot at. Jamo says, I knew a trucker guy, say an Indian guy got out of his truck and just took a crap right there of his truck.

[Mike Crispy]

It's culturally appropriate.

[Tate Brown]

That could have been Bourbon street, though. Who knows? I mean, could.

[Tim Pool]

It could have been multiple places. Yeah, let's see. Raymond G. Stanley says, I worked in the industrial world for 15 or so years. There are definitely white truckers. Talk to our viewers too. That's a crazy statement. I'm not sure which one is crazy, but, you know, I mean, we are.

[Mary Morgan]

Having their jobs replaced.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean that's, that is true, but I still don't think that, I still think that in the, in the long run, like most jobs are going to be replaced with automation and with robots, but I know that that's unpopular around here, but I think that that's the, the future that we've already, that is already basically here. It's not a. I'm not sure about a technocracy. I'm not sure that it's a technocracy, but I do think that, that the, the automation is not going to be just something that's, that's delegated to factories in the future. I think that it's going to be, you know, it's going to be ubiquitous. I think that musk is probably right. There will be, in 10 years, there'll be hundreds of thousands of humanoid robots walking around among us. And I think that most people are going to be Pretty okay with it fairly quickly. There will be people that will not. I'm sure of that. I'm sure that I'm going to catch a lot of hell from the chat just for saying that. But that's. That's my sense.

[Mary Morgan]

I want to trip them.

[Tim Pool]

You. You're more than. You're more than welcome to trip them.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Guy who's going to sell them to us is saying, we're going to have them all.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, you know, well, I mean.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Look, he's going to sell it everything. He wants that to be the case again.

[Tim Pool]

Again. I mean, you can. You can be skeptical if you want, but I do think that. What? Go ahead.

[Mike Crispy]

Oh, no. Did you ever see Peter T. Do you think humanity will pursue, persist? Very simple question. Yeah, of course. I want the human. The human race to persist. He goes, I don't know about that. What? What? What, buddy? What are you saying? What? What? That's very scary, you know, called mask off moment.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Mike Crispy]

I want the human race to persist. What do you want then?

[Tate Brown]

I had just gotten back from like, Costco, though. We all have that feeling. You're like, I don't know, like Black Friday.

[Tim Pool]

He was at a Walmart and he's like, what is. Oh, man, I'm over things that, you.

[Tate Brown]

Know, there could be some context missing.

[Mike Crispy]

Right.

[Tate Brown]

Maybe he got back. Yeah, maybe he went to like Home Depot.

[Mary Morgan]

Peter Thiel goes to Home Depot?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, could be.

[Mary Morgan]

You know, of. Homosexual men go to Home Depot.

[Tate Brown]

They go to Lowe's actually. The Light and Loafers, they. They're more Lowe's people. John is a slur too.

[Tim Pool]

John Burt is a member for 60 months. We appreciate the heck out of you. He says. Five years. Big shout out to all the awesome people I've been lucky enough to know. Thank you to the Tim cast team and especially Tim learned so much. That is great to hear. Thank you for being a member and sticking to with us. Cheers, man. We appreciate the hell out of you guys. Let's see. The Deuteronist, the Deuteronomist said, my dad was a trucker and I got my cdl. The issue was trucking used to be a trade that people were appreciated for. I'm sorry. Used to be a trade that people apprenticed for. The bar has been lowered by easy schooling. Basically DEI to open the trade to everyone. I mean, look, that's the way that kind of it goes. But really, I understand that, you know, trucking at some point was similar to a trade, but it is one of the. Trucking is something that most People can do. Most Americans, most people can drive, especially particularly if you can speak the language of the country that you're in. You can learn the rules of the road and most people can at least. So the idea that it's, that it's specialized. I mean, part of the reason why they're stuffing, you know, people that are, you know, newly arrived foreigners and illegal immigrants into these jobs is because it is something that they can generally do if they're, you know, if they can read English. I think the failure point is that we're allowing people that aren't familiar with the country and can't read the language and can't speak the language, we're allowing them to drive. And that's where, that's where the breaking point is.

[Mike Crispy]

Never driven an 18 wheeler. But I imagine it's a little more difficult than driving a, you know, than driving like a truck, right? Tiny, like. So there is a. It's even scarier to think that, you know, obviously any, you know, people can learn these things, but the fact that like they got to learn it and they can't speak English and they, they're very low IQ people, smaller brains.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

I think the blind spot for an 18 wheeler is like 180ft or something that you can't. I think it might be.

[Tim Pool]

Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

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[Tim Pool]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

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[Mike Crispy]

Bon voyage.

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[Tim Pool]

I don't know, about 180ft. But I mean, look, plus it is, it is, it's, it's definitely harder than driving.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Probably wrong on that.

[Tim Pool]

It's definitely harder than driving. Like, you know, you're a Toyota but I mean your average person that gets an rv, those are, those can be really big things. They're the size of buses, you know size of, of a like 45 foot. You they're, they'll call it XL2s is what they use in the, in the music industry nowadays or xls 45 foot long and, and you know they're, they are more difficult to drive than a regular vehicle but it's not something that's super complex, you know and it could.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Be up to 200ft. The blind spot for an 18 wheeler.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

So crazy.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's see dad Squatch it looks like fill your argument for having automated trucks safer than having illegal immigrants on the road is exactly what the liberal tech bros want. White American trucker. I, I, I don't, I don't know what your point is that like that is what they want but it is also like there is going to come a time when vehicle will be driven more safely by robots than by humans. That will happen. And I mean I'm sorry to be, you know, you can be mad at me about it but it's just, it's true. So it's perfectly fine. If you want to be angry with me though, it's fine. Shane H. Wilder says with deportations some leftists are calling to bring back the bracero program that ended in 1964 because it made workers essentially slave laborers and required them to be sprayed with DDT before working. Well, that sounds terrible. I don't know anything about this but yeah, thanks Shane. Evan for us says if y' all want to see something some shocking data on the dating, marriage, homeowners realm. Look up the statistics on the number of Gen Z that are married and or have children. We are in deep s if we don't fix it. I'm not sure sure that there is a fix a coming. Gen Z has to have four kids each for replacement. Right? Like boomers and Gen X were at the 2.1. There were so few millennials and even fewer still Gen Gen Z they have to have four. So I, I don't know if they're if that fix is coming or not. A lot of people, that's another thing that people like. There's a lot of people that are like oh you know the idea of so much automation, that's terrible. That's terrible. That's terrible. It might be necessary like just to have a society that functions because you've got fewer people that filled the jobs that are necessary to keep society working. And you're going to need somehow to get the garbage taken out. You're going to need some somehow to get things built. You're going to need somehow to get a lot of things done that people do, but there's just not enough Gen Z tool. Do it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah, go, go. Like about two weeks ago on the Culture War Channel, my interview with Nate Fisher that was, that's a really good case, the right wing case for, for automation. It's just very pragmatic, especially dealing with population decline. And he does a good job explaining how AI could actually be a good solution for increasing the birth rate. Just because women particularly work these like, pointless email jobs. Oftentimes if you can automate those out, increase male wages through product, increasing their productivity, then we could actually see the, the total fertility rate increase as women are freed up to raise children.

[Tim Pool]

And you might see a lot of the depression, a considerable amount of the depression that you see in women go away. Because honestly, I think that most women have been fooled into thinking that they want to be boss bitches and be career women and they actually literally don't. And if they had kids, they would be like, holy cow, this is the best. And you hear that a lot. Women that go to work, they, they start a career, they work for a little while, then they get married and they have a kid and they take time off and they're like, I don't want to leave my kid. I love my kid. I love hanging out with my kid. Why do I want to go back to work? And some of them don't have the opportunity, they don't have the ability to stay home. But a lot of women, if you say, hey, would you rather stay home or would you rather go back to work? And they're like, I'm staying home with my kid. They rule. You know, they're this the best thing ever. So it'll fix.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

What's the problem with, with the, the show Friends, you know, great show if you're a fan, I get it. But it got this whole entire generation of like, I have to be a, a girl boss. I have to. And like we need that opposite push, you know, we need some viral, you know, movement, because it's just insanity. What, what it's become.

[Tim Pool]

It's friends. Cat 318. Sorry, Cat 318 says Kathy Hokel said at a press conference that what happened to President Trump wouldn't happen to any other business after case. Tish James just needs to, needs to go after real criminals. Well, yeah, but they say that, but the precedent's already been set, right? They say that it won't happen until, you know, the next president that gets in, that's on the right. Because remember, they were saying that Donald Trump is the worst thing that could ever happen. He's worse than Hitler. Literally, verbatim, he's worse than Hitler. And then as soon as, like, you start talking about J.D. vance, you see, you see think pieces coming out. Donald Trump was bad, but, whoa, boy, J.D. vance is worse. There were people that were starting to make that very argument about Ron DeSantis when DeSantis was, was running against Donald Trump before Descent dropped out, before everyone saw the lifts in his boots. And they were like, look, you know, Desantis might actually be worse than Trump because he's competent and Donald Trump was a buffoon and blah, blah, blah. They were starting to make that argument. That is the argument that the left will make forever. Because they don't have any principle at all. They only use words as a means to strike, to strike fear in people. They're totally postmodern now. They don't have to have their words, don't have to have any attachment to reality. That's why they call Donald Trump Hitler, even though he's nothing like Hitler. Like, his policies are not like any kind of socialism or national socialism, nothing like that at all. But they draw any, any connection to Hitler they can because they don't have the ability to make reasoned arguments. They only have the ability to say that he is the worst thing ever because they believe that words don't have meaning. Words are just access to power. It's all postmodern garbage. But anyhow, let's see, what do we got here? Moses, Stalin. Moses, Stalin. 69 says Mary. Absolutely cracks me up. You a fan, Mary?

[Mike Crispy]

Thanks. He has a lot of fans.

[Mary Morgan]

Am I funny in a laughing at or laughing with?

[Tim Pool]

Laughing with. I don't know, laughing with kind of way. So what do we got? St. Miles says Mary, the Oracle of Tim. Tim cast IRL has spoken.

[Mary Morgan]

Does me.

[Tim Pool]

No, the other Mary. Yes, you.

[Mary Morgan]

Oh, I. I'm flattered.

[Tim Pool]

They call you the oracle. So you get a lot of. A lot of love. Let's see. Dave Flores says Kellen, Imagine a bunch of S bag New Yorkers talking s about Maryland. Completely homo.

[Tate Brown]

Way to go, Mike.

[Mike Crispy]

Sorry about it. Listen, New York is quickly becoming more of a failed society and obviously Mondomini and all that, but we will always be better than Maryland in every single way. In every single form. I'm sorry.

[Tate Brown]

That was Kellen that said you're from From Maryland. Oh, okay.

[Mike Crispy]

From New York.

[Mary Morgan]

It's not even comparable Maryland.

[Mike Crispy]

I don't know. I mean, I made one comment.

[Tim Pool]

Gotta go with it now.

[Mike Crispy]

I made one comment about Maryland that I'm the type that digs my heels in.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Mike Crispy]

So, Marilyn.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. We need an enemy here.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah. We're done.

[Tate Brown]

We need to unite around something. We need a fall guy.

[Mike Crispy]

So are you.

[Mary Morgan]

Yeah. I didn't like that essay.

[Tim Pool]

Essay Federali says.

[Mike Crispy]

Essay.

[Tim Pool]

Federali says. I feel like to move on from that.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Mary consistently has proven wrong. Right. That nothing ever happens. And the argument that she's gullible is something seems to be happening, then it goes away and nothing actually happens that needs to. So she's right. No one. No one's ever said that she's gullible. I don't think anyone's ever said that about Mary around here.

[Mary Morgan]

I think he's saying the people who think that something is happening are gullible. They're like, look, look, something's happening, and then it doesn't happen anything. Well, okay, so frantically searching evidence of something happening.

[Tim Pool]

There was a. There was a poll that Serge put up. Does anything ever happen in. There was 50. 57. 7. 57% said, yeah, all the time. So I may have worded that. I'm sure I worded that a little bit poorly. I could have worded that a lot better, but it's pretty split. It's like 50% the whole show. Oh, I'm going to. Okay, so I'm going to take a little jab at this one. Red pilled again. Says, I cannot wait for AI to replace podcast Talking Head. Just like truck drivers. I know that that's a shot at.

[Mike Crispy]

Me, but listen, that's kind of a funny one.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you think it's funny, but you. You're not. You're not winning anything because my. My job was replaced by Spotify 15 years ago. Okay? I sell records. People stopped buying records 15 years ago. So if you think that you're funny, like, I'm already neck deep in it, man.

[Mike Crispy]

He's been replaced once already to come back. He will figure out how to do it again.

[Tim Pool]

Don't. Don't think that, like, oh, you're so mean for talking about this. F you. Like, this has already happened to me. If it were the 90s. Never mind. Anyways, people used to buy records. They stopped buying records. Now they buy Spotify for 10 bucks a month and get all the music in the world for free. So don't give me that. Oh, it's so Bad that it's happening to me now.

[Tate Brown]

AI can't, AI cannot screw up an ad read like I can, right? It's too good. It's too perfect.

[Tim Pool]

Let's see. Maverick. Cuba says, why should American businesses, landowners be punished for not proper vetting? Do you see how the property business seizures will be used to punish Americans for not legally vetting other Americans for work slash rent? Under the table, look.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Getting for, for, for citizenship.

[Mike Crispy]

Yeah, look at that. Oh, you're not a, oh, are you a citizen? Are you an Indian?

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

Is that hard to figure out?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I get what you're saying, I get what you're saying. If you're, if you're coming from the position of, look, the government can't be trusted, I get it and I agree. Right. But the idea that the government can't be trusted so we can never do anything only lets the left rule the country. That's all there is to it. It allows the left to do whatever they want. And then the Republicans, and that's part of the problem with Republicans now. It, we can't do this. That's unprincipled. This isn't the role of the federal government, etc. Etc. Etc. You have to exercise power when you have it.

[Mike Crispy]

We got to go a little authoritarian to fix these problems.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry, I mean, I agree, but the argument that, that the government doesn't have that authority. They do it all the time. They, they use civil asset forfeiture to take your cash. If you're going to buy a car in cash, what's that cash for what's mine now. And the police just take it and you have no, no recourse. Like the government does this stuff all the time to benefit itself. It's time for the government to use the powers that it has taken for itself to benefit the American people.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, it's like, oh, you don't trust the government. Oh, well, everyone that hates you does. That's kind of the problem.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they do. And they're going to use it to do terrible things to the, to you and the things that you love.

[Tate Brown]

Real.

[Tim Pool]

So I get it. I understand your argument, but I abandoned that argument a long time ago when I stopped being a libertarian because it doesn't work in the, the real world. That's all there is to it. If you don't use the power of government when your party has it, if you don't have representatives that will use that power. You are just saying let the left use the power. Let the left beat up on Me, let the left destroy my country. Let the left do all the things they want to do, and I am too principled to do it. Well, I tell you what, I'm not too principled to tell the government to use its power in my, on my behalf, in for my benefit. Mic drop not a bot says. When my dad's family came to America from Mexico, my grandpa told me not to teach his children to speak Spanish because we're all American now. He was a marachi and he was so proud to earn his family citizenship. And that's great. That is exactly how immigrants to America should behave. They should stop speaking their, the language from their old country. They should become American.

[Tate Brown]

Throw away the Selena Gomez Oreos. Eat normal Oreos.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

I remember a moment when I, you know, I was in middle school, whatever, when I started Italian, like, foreign language. And I don't, I'm like, I don't know anything. I go to my parents, I'm like, why didn't you teach me Italian? They're like, I don't know Italian. We came to this country, my, my parents said, you learn English and that's it. Because we're here now. And it's like, that is so gone.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I, I, I don't see why people don't, you know, make the connection of if you're, you know, in the country, you should be speaking English. But we're going to wrap it up from here, so. So actually, do you want to go ahead and shout anything out?

[Mike Crispy]

It's been great to be on the show tonight. Appreciate it. Very based conversation. Long live America, hopefully. And you guys can follow me on X at Mike Crispy. Follow me on X. Everything is there.

[Tim Pool]

Mary.

[Mary Morgan]

Oh, I was waiting for you.

[Guest or Panelist (possibly a New Yorker)]

You want to show anything Producer Frankie.

[Tim Pool]

On X. Oh, there new X account. There we go. Just had just started it.

[Mike Crispy]

He's brand new.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. All right.

[Mary Morgan]

You guys can go subscribe to Pop Culture Crisis. We go live Every Monday through 3pm Eastern. You can send me validation on Instagram at Mary Archived. You can send me Hate on X that is also Mary Archived. And help me get Tick Tock famous. That is also Mary Archived.

[Tate Brown]

You can follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown. I don't know. I don't, I don't think I'll have any morning shows next week. I think Tim's gonna be back. Hopefully. But if not, you'll see me Monday.

[Tim Pool]

Tomorrow.

[Tate Brown]

There's no morning show tomorrow.

[Tim Pool]

We're doing the culture war tomorrow.

[Tate Brown]

You're doing the culture War.

[Tim Pool]

You're not going to be here.

[Tate Brown]

I'll be. I'll be. I'll be behind the desk.

[Tim Pool]

You're going to be on camera. You know it.

[Tate Brown]

Maybe. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Come on, everyone loves you.

[Tate Brown]

Tomorrow's going to be a monster culture where. Please, please watch it. You're going to love it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I am, Phil. That remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, dieser and YouTube. I will be here tomorrow morning for the culture war at 11. Right. And Tate will be on. Don't let him. Don't let him steer you wrong. He's going to be on. We're going to have a great conversation. It will actually be about AI, if I understand correctly. So join us tomorrow then. We will be here tomorrow night for irl. There will be no after show. But tonight, in just a few minutes, we're going to start the Rumble after show. So go to Rumble, become a member so you can watch the after show. We will see you guys soon.