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Donald Trump has announced a cease fire with Iran and preliminary reports suggest they have accepted a two week cease fire. The Strait of Hormuz will be open and peaceful for two weeks. And already oil prices have dropped 15%. Now we've got the 10 point plan from Iran, which they are saying is the basis for negotiations which will begin on Friday. And I got to tell you, my friends, whatever you want to say, I am happy that we are backing away from nuclear annihilation, whatever it may be. Now, I'm not going to play any stupid games and insult Donald Trump when he's doing what we want him to do and we don't want war to escalate. Yet. For the life of me, I will just say this. I am infuriated by the alleged Trump critics attacking the man for having called off the attack on Iran. They are going after him and saying he's a coward and a chicken for not attacking Iran. Yet the whole time they attacked the man for attacking Iran. So which is it? These people are grifters and they are liars. They never actually cared. They were saying what they thought they needed to say on the Internet to get clicks and retweets. And we're going to back that up because I am off about this. Listen, you guys know that I have been opposed to intervention and regime change. That's basically my shtick. And that's why I supported Tulsi Gabbard. And I said, when Donald Trump started this war, it is not effective to, to insult the man when you're trying to convince him to do something you want him to do. And you've got to be able to keep one hand on the steering wheel. Yet people went crazy attacking Donald Trump and insulting him. And I said, I respect the arguments, okay, because we want to try and keep things together. But now that Donald Trump has done what these people have asked him to do and backed off of attacking Iran and calling for a ceasefire, agreeing to it, they are still insulting the man no matter what he does. He is wrong. And we will not be able to have a cohesive, functioning government with grifters on all sides lying about what they actually want to happen. You can tell I'm. But we have a lot to talk about. Oil prices going down, things are starting to improve. And we need to encourage in every possible way this cease fire to hold. Now, of course, we have a bunch of other news related to this. We now have, I can't believe I'm saying it, Candace Owens and AOC together at last calling for the impeachment and removal of the Mad king. How about that? This is where we are as a country. And grifting all the way down. We're gonna talk about that a lot more before we do. Got a great sponsor for you guys. You know what, man, I need this Beam dream. I gotta tell you. I, I, I, I, I need to sleep. Well, I'm actually in a good mood, to be honest. I'm, I'm irked with these wacko grifters, but I'm really happy to see that Trump is calling for. He's approving a ceasefire. 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Nice to be here.
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Who are you?
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It's a sort of a philosophical question.
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It's a tough one.
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Yeah, it is a tough one, I think for your viewers and listeners. I am a New York Post columnist, correspondent, cover, kind of the intersection of business, technology, politics, and. Yeah, I'm glad to be here.
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Right on. It's great to have you. Should be fun. Brett's hanging out, guys.
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It has been a very, very long time. It's been like, what, I think over a month. I was out for several weeks. My voice was completely gone. I will try to not cough through the show tonight, but it's very good to be here. Normally I'm doing Pop culture crisis Monday through Friday, 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time, which is, of course, noon Pacific on YouTube. And rumble, you should go join us there because we're trying to get back in the algorithm after I was gone for a week and a half. And that was when I realized that day where I'm like, it's just, you know, that remember Deadpool? No days off when he's like, till you're 90.
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Yes.
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I was like, we missed. We missed like less than two weeks. And just because we had no videos coming out, the algorithm has decimated us. And I realized this will be me until I'm old and gray. So go subscribe back in the algorithm.
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Carter, of course, is pressing all the buttons. What's up? Good to have you both here. And Phil, of course.
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Hello, everybody. Let's go.
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Here's the news story, ladies and gentlemen. It's tremendous. Some say the best news. Oil prices plunge 15%. Stock futures rally after Trump floats two week Iran war cease fire. The price of crude oil fell below $100 per barrel, a stunning drop after it was trading as high as $117 earlier in the day. We're here in crypto is through the roof. Everybody is happy. I love it. This is fantastic news. Now we've got reports that Iran is accepting the initial two week cease fire negotiations will begin. Check this out. We've got this from Syed Abbas Arag.
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She.
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I probably can't pronounce his name right on X. He's the Foreign Minister of the Islamic Republic of Iran. So say his accountant, 700 followers who follow him with this statement. On behalf of the Islamic Republic of Iran, I express gratitude and appreciation for my dear brothers he Prime Minister of Pakistan. Sheriff. And is he like Excellency. His Excellency. Thank you for that. Field Marshal Munir. For their tireless efforts to end the war in the region. In response to the brotherly, brotherly request of PM Sharif in his tweet and considering the request by the US for negotiations based on his 15 point proposal, as well as the announcement by POTUS about acceptance of the general framework of Iran's 10 point proposal as a basis for negotiations, I hereby declare on behalf of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, if attacks against Iran are halted, our powerful armed forces will cease their defensive operations for a period of two weeks. Safe passage the Strait of Hormuz will be possible by coordination with Iran's armed forces and with due consideration of technical limitations. This is tremendous. It is exactly what you would expect to happen at the cessation of hostilities. Neither side is going to come out and say we are losers and we've been defeated. Both sides are going to say we have made tremendous accomplishments. Now, Donald Trump has agreed to these terms. We saw a tweet from the Prime Minister of Pakistan. Iran has now announced they're agreeing to this. We are going to see oil prices drop. Already. They're dropping. Fantastic news and a tremendous success for the Trump administration. I'm going to tell you why and I'm going to tell you to ignore the naysayers and the grifters and the liars. I am not happy about the incursion into Iran. I did not vote for this. I am not going to pretend that I support it. But this is a victory for the Trump administration in that they took out the Ayatollah, they took out the top echelon of Iranian government, and now they have a cessation of hostilities. If this holds, Trump will have a moderate victory in the region, which will be good for his plans for forward and Western sphere of influence control over the energy coming out of Iran. Is it everything the Western powers might want? I don't know. But it's still a victory. And I'm going to say it again. Trump flattened and took out killed their leadership and now hostilities are ceasing. For the time being, if we can finish this and get those negotiations through. Trump will have won.
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Well, I mean, good.
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No, I think, I mean, I, I think we're better off now than we were before. And already I'm hearing these sort of refrains that, oh, no, no, no, we're way, we're way worse. No, we've actually decimated the ircg. And bear in mind, Hezbollah seems to be decapitated. So we're already seeing their proxies, which to me, as an American and as somebody who is concerned about the region, that was what we were most impacted by, obviously Hezbollah, Hamas. So if you're decapitating those proxies, that in and of itself I think is a huge victory. And I was concerned because we do have a really horrible track record in the Middle east staying there and then not knowing how to extricate ourselves. And I kept, I was like, I'm gonna wait six weeks. I'm gonna wait six weeks. Let's see how this goes. I was a little worried, right, because, you know, the military is out of this world. Insane. But sometimes we don't have the foreign policy strategy. So sometimes we really haven't had any strategy in the Middle East. So I was worried. And now we're extricating ourselves. I think Americans are a lot safer as a result, and we're getting our boys and girls out of there, thank God.
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I mean, look, if this is, if this actually does wrap up the war, then, you know, I think that's a good thing. I would like to see. I was, I was never like, we need to go and strike Iran. Like, I was always kind of like, look, I don't want to. I do want to see the best possible outcome for the United States because I'm always pro America, so. But if this can, if this is the off road that prevents boots on the ground and some kind of major invasion, then I'm okay with it. You know, I got, I got no
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problem saying I was wrong about boots on the ground if Trump succeeds. And I will apologize, I will apologize with the utmost gratitude if it does not happen for insinuating that could. We've got a two week cease fire, and hopefully this weekend they announce something longer and more permanent. And then I will, with a smile on my face, laugh as I say I was wrong about this. This is good news. This is fantastic news. We should all be happy. And more importantly for those asking, okay, what does this really mean for me? It means your gas prices are going down.
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Okay, so that was my main question. You said you think we're better off now than we were before. So I guess the tech, technically that counts on if gas prices come down because, you know, respect to what you were saying about Hezbollah and terrorism in the Middle east is the average, everyday American isn't necessarily thinking about foreign terrorist threats. What they're looking at is how it's affecting their wallet right now. And my, the joke, I guess, you know, as dark, humorous it is, is like the idea of Trump being the bull in the china shop made sense to me when you could get gas prices down and potentially arrest bad political actors that have committed crimes within your own government. But once we started going to war again in the Middle east, you're like, look, I don't know if all that much has changed. So, yes, gas prices do need to come back down. Otherwise, people. Look, the midterms already, this has been damaging for them as far as the midterms, because for a lot of people, it seems like we're looking at a lot more of the same, despite the fact that we were kind of sold the idea that things were going to be different this. And look, you got to give him time. Obviously, the gas prices aren't going to come down overnight, but when gas prices go up, that also means that the prices of other goods go up. Bitcoin, before you said that it was rebounding today, had kind of stagnated and was dropping.
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Row six dollar diesel down the street. We're in the middle and we're in a rural area. $6 diesel, that means everything's going through the roof. Your milk, your bread, your egg. So this is. Everyone should be very happy. And I'll tell you, if people were sincere about the criticisms of Trump, they would be saying, thank you, Donald Trump, for this. Thank you for doing the right thing.
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Or at the very least, like, waiting to see how it shakes out in the next couple of days to see if things actually do start looking like they're making changes here.
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Yeah, it's fair to be cautiously optimistic. I think with the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. A couple things on that. I mean, the fact that the Iranians were able to close it in this way is a sign that they could have and would have at any moment. So I think if we're able to resolve that, that's a good and a positive thing, because that was always their point of leverage. I also think gas prices right now are kind of where they were under Biden, even with all of this pressure. It's interesting. The Red Sea, we kind of forget this. The hoodies Basically had the Red Sea and under lock and key for, like almost a year. There was so much delay shipping through that. So this, this. The Strait of Hormuz has only been delayed a couple weeks. And now that it's open, we're going to see this is back to normal very quickly. This is it. I feel like I've heard so many people say, oh, this is going to be a year to get back to where we were. No, it's not. It's going to be a couple of weeks.
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I want to stress this point, guys. We covered on this show the Houthi rebels bombing cargo ships in the Red Sea, civilian cargo ships not involved in war. It's literally companies being like, we made some stools to sell for bars and they're like, we're going to blow them up because you're off that you're an offense to our religious fervor and the goals that we have. So it is.
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They got all their money from where?
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From Iran.
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Iran.
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They've been. They were armed and funded and supplied. And it's not just there. Iraq as well. So the US has had a bone to pick with Iran flattening their leadership. I'm sorry, if the hostilities stop and everyone says if prices went to normal, the US Won, Trump won a hundred percent. They took out the Iranian government.
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Bear in mind, yet normal under Trump is a hell of a lot better than it was under Biden.
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So, you know what's funny is with Venezuela, too, I was initially very concerned because you take out Maduro, you open up a vacuum, is some strong man going to come in. But that's held. And the issue with Venezuela is Maduro stole our oil assets. I will scream this to the high heavens. In 2009, our oil companies had their assets all stolen. We had a treaty, we played fair. The US was not some evil, oppressive colonizer who went to Venezuela and took everything. We went there and said, we'll pay for the oil infrastructure, we'll do it, and you'll get free money. And then they stole it from us. Trump went in, got Maduro out, and now we've gotten back our oil infrastructure and that is justice. And we did not get instability. And I am hoping that holds, but it looks pretty dang good. So Trump has done a fairly good job on foreign policy across the board. My biggest fears with Iran were the.
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The.
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It appeared escalation was. Was underway with Trump saying, I'm going to wipe out a civilization. It's terrifying. Now we have announcement of a ceasefire and both sides are Agreeing to negotiate. Trump might get out of this one once again with a victory.
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So what does it look like long term for. For him, given that the midterms are coming and people are talking about, like, if, if we end up losing, if they end up losing House and Senate, they're gonna look at impeachments again, slow down progress again.
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Yep. Look, if they. I'm still of the opinion that if the economy is doing well, the Republicans can win. And again, I.
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Both House and Senate.
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Yeah, but I, but this is, this is. I have to. I have this caveat that is not making a prediction that they will, that is saying that it's possible.
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Except the net favorability for party. The GOP is up five points. Democrats and Democrats have a historic low for a midterm lead. Even with their lead. So trend wise, for special.
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It's like, I can't stop. I'm addicted. Start your free trial@shopify.com elections. It looks very good for Democrats. Historic polling as of right now, it actually looks very bad for Democrats. And that's surprising to me. Again, CNN said GOP net favorability is up 5 points. And Democrats, the generic ballot for Congress is only up 5 points, which is a historic low. And the prediction markets are still saying Democrats are going to take the House. I think I'd figure it would have been at least two to one, not four to one. Like right now it's four to one Democrats to win. I'd be like two to one's fine. Because what, they might win three, three or four seats, you know, in the majority, but Republicans can turn this one around. This is going to be a major component of this. If Trump walks away with a new peace agreement and then we get a straight up. We have secured the region, we have ended the violence from the militia groups, the rebels, and Iran has now agreed to the terms of a cease fire. That's going to be a major boost for him.
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Yeah, I mean, it could be. I do think that the Democrats are. I mean, I'm aware that Democrats are historically unpopular. I think that that's largely because of the fight in between the progressives in The Democrat Party and the. What you would consider sane, normal Democrats are.
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The moderates are the same people in Democrats.
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Well, the problem is you. The problem is you can't really tell. And I think that's part of why they're unpopular.
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One person who I.
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But the point that I'm making is like, even if they run as a moderate, they'll do what Spanberger did or whatever if they get elected. And I think that the American people generally know that. Like, I think that people saw through Gavin Newsom going on all the podcasts and talking to the pod bros and, and being like, oh, you know, going on Sean R. Be like, I own a gun and I'm a gun. God. Bs.
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You are like Tim Waltz. I'm a real man.
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You know. You know. Oh, it's like, you know, or, or Kamala Harris. Oh, yeah, I own a Glock. Yeah, sure you do. But the fact of the matter is I think the American people really know where the Democrat parties, like where their, Their, their, their mind are. And they haven't forgot about all the woke stuff. Even though woke is like right now. It's, it's. It's kind of like hibernating. It hasn't gone anywhere. If, if the Democrats come back, I think most people are aware that that's coming back as well. And I. Virginia, as evidence of that, Spanberger ran as a centrist. She was supposed to be. She was going to. She was worried about the cost of everything. And then when she gets into office, there's like 30, like 20 new taxes that Virginians have to worry.
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Guns are illegal now.
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Yeah, there's all that was the, the
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guy who was running for DA who said that he wanted Ray Jones. That's what I'm saying.
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He also tried to kick a dog, which is the weirdest thing if they.
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That video is crazy.
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Anyone.
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He tried to kick a little animals
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has the worst karma. Thank God. I'm thinking of him. I'm thinking of Kristi Noem.
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It wasn't even.
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It is not okay to abuse animals and it will come back to bite you. And I hope this is also true of Hasan Piker who shocks his dog. What the hell?
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It wasn't even like he was like aiming. It looked like it was just second nature to him to just kick animals.
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And the dog jumped out of the
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way like his leg just did it without him trying.
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Several on the way to work that day.
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Reminder about Democrats. That's not being sane. One thing that I think has been a good and a positive thing out of this war is we have seen the left truly like, root for Iran. Like, we have seen the insanity of like and the right marching in the middle of New York City. There are like pro, I think normal people see that and they're like, oh, what the hell? Like, this is kind of insane. Anyone who supports this, supports Iran. That's a wake up call.
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Let's jump to the next part of the story. We've got this tweet from our good friend Brian Krassenstein. He says, breaking Happy Taco Tuesday. Told you so. I'm glad. Taco Tuesday means Trump always chickens out. And I'm going to show you some of this. We've got actual friend of the show, Sagar and Jetty Taco Tuesday. It is pending Iranian approval. We've got Chris Martinson also had appeared, has appeared on the show, posting a picture of a taco. And we've got AF post. After promising to destroy Iran, Trump agrees to a Taco Tuesday two week cease fire. And then of course, just a spattering of all the stupid taco posts. Let me tell you what this means. These people who claim to be anti Trump, well, they are anti Trump, but the people who claim to oppose the war with Iran, who are angry that Donald Trump threatened Iran, went to war in Iran, are now attacking him as a chicken for doing what they asked him to do. Of course these people are grifters, they are liars. They are fanning the flames of destruction and World War 3 and they should be called out for this. And I'm going to say this, of everybody, the Krasenstein's I get. But Sager, why are you joining in on this? The appropriate and rational response is, thank you, Mr. President, for not getting us into nuclear war. Thank you, Mr. President, for agreeing to the terms of a ceasefire and beginning these negotiations. If you don't like the man, that's fine. But the idea that all of these people all of a sudden just came out now and are saying Trump's a chicken, what do you want him to do? You want him to bomb Iran? Now, I'll tell you what, let me ask you a question. When there's a little kid and he's gonna jump off like a 20 foot quarry into the water, what do you say to him when he says, I don't wanna do it? What do you call him? You say you're a chicken, cow, chicken. Come on, chicken. This is them goading Trump to attack Iran. I don't for the life of me understand what is wrong with these people. When Trump says, I am not going to attack Iran. Say, wow, that is incredibly brave of you. The Iranians could break the terms of this at any moment and it would be bad for your legacy. But you are taking the right step. Thank you for doing the right thing. I can't stand these people. They're hypocrites, liars and grifters.
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There's so many people that are, are now saying things like, oh, Iran won the war. Iran won the war. And it's like, look, man, these people were going to say that no matter what because they are actually anti American. Even people on the right that say that.
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Yeah, reposting, like Iranian propaganda, like that's where some people clearly are getting their news is literally from Iranian propaganda.
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Joke. Joe Kent, following this, I will say this. I do believe that we may see Tucker Carlson come out and say, thank you, Mr. President, because Tucker has been particularly measured in how he's approached these things. He's a smart guy and he understands how to communicate his opinions effectively without, well, let's say he is a bit controversial as of reason, but I think he'll do the smart thing. Now, Joe Kent didn't come out in the most aggressive and insulting of manners, but his response to the cease fire was, now we must restrain Israel. Is your intention to antagonize Israel right now because they're trigger happy? This is irresponsible for him to make a statement like this. I'm just, I'm sick of the people who can't just back off, say, guys, the rickety bridge could collapse at any moment. Shut your mouths and let them negotiate a cease fire. Instead they're like, what do you think a person's reaction is going to be if someone said, you need to be restrained, they're going to be like, what you say to me, you want to go, who do you think you are telling me you're going to put a leash on me? They're intentionally challenging and insulting Trump and, and Israel. A time when we're trying to get them to back off.
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I think it underscores the fact that so much of this rhetoric is just, just that people are just posting shit, saying shit. They don't actually think. Like, all of the people yesterday who were like, Trump is going to destroy a civilization, they didn't actually believe.
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No.
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Not once. Not one of them believe.
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All of the panic ins did not genuinely think that Trump was going to destroy my, the entirety of Iran. Yeah, no one believed that. And so now that they're saying, it's like, of course, like they're just saying shit.
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My mentions were an absolute train wreck all day of people saying, oh, blah, blah, Trump's going to destroy it. He said he's going to destroy the civilization, blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like, do you people really believe that he's going to use nuclear weapons? And there were people that were like, you'll see, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, how could you possibly believe that? You're all so ridiculous.
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I tweeted, Trump has two choices. Iran's not going to back down. It's annihilation or its retreat. I said, Trump is going to find a strategic retreat that is the safest and best play for him to make. And I got responses from these people being like, you've been wrong the whole time. You said Trump wouldn't go to war with Iran. You're wrong now. And I wasn't.
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Yeah. But the underscore there is that Trump gets himself into trouble with the way he tweets a lot of times just because he. For the. Not. Not that you should operate under the premise that you need to. Like that you need to make the bad actors happy. But he does it to himself. The administration does this with their mess messaging around ICE with the hype videos of people getting arrested and stuff like that. It's red meat for the base, but it turns off the people who are somewhere in the middle. And the people who are upset right now are the ones that are in the middle or voted for Trump reluctantly.
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Take a look at this. This is the next component of the story. Ryan Grim says, this is unbelievable. The edit history on this tweet shows that Pakistan Prime Minister Shabazz Sharif originally copied and pasted everything he was sent. So let me first show you a statement. His statement is, diplomatic efforts for peaceful settlement of the ongoing war in the Middle east are progressing steadily, strongly and powerfully, with the potential to lead to substantive results in the near future. To allow diplomacy to run its course, I earnestly request President Trump to extend the deadline for two weeks. Pakistan, in all sincerity, requests the Iranian brothers to open the Strait of Hormuz for a corresponding period of two weeks. As a goodwill gesture, we also urge all warring parties to observe a ceasefire everywhere for two weeks to allow diplomacy to achieve conclusive termination of war in the interest of long term peace and stability in the region. However, at the top of this message, it says, draft Pakistan's PM message on X. The implication that they're making. Ryan Grimm says, obviously, Sharif's own staff don't call him Pakistan's pm, they would just call him Prime Minister. The US and Israel of course, would call him Pakistan's pm. Would be funny if the fate of the world wasn't hanging in the balance. What they are trying to insinuate right now is that Pakistan did not actually agree to make this happen. That the US and Israel made the Prime Minister of Pakistan issue this statement all because he had a draft statement referring to Pakistan's pm. I will first say I don't care. A cease fire is good. Why are you guys trying to stop this from happening? Honest question. The people who don't like Trump and claim they don't want to war with Iran are doing anything, everything in their power to make sure the cease fire fails. Why? Well, they secretly pro Israel the whole time. I mean, Candace has been pro Israel her whole career and all of a sudden she's not. So. I mean she is.
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Look, the metaphor for getting Internet clicks and getting Internet money right now is to be anti Israel. So that's why I think there's a ton of people that have jumped on the anti Israel train just because they're like, look, it's popular young people don't like Israel or they're either ambivalent or very critical of Israel. The best way to get Internet clicks and get basically get money is to, is to be critical of Israel. And I think there's a ton of people that are doing this just to just to, you know, cash in. There are people obviously that are, that are critical, but the fact that they talk about Israel all the time, simplistic
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to blame one teeny tiny country for all of the world's woes. I mean when you look at the map of how teeny it is and the map and you juxtapose that with like the Islamic controlled territory all through the Middle east and you're like, really?
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That's true.
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B
That's what you're gonna on this.
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D
But not only that. Like the argument that they're making is that the United States doesn't have agency at all.
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A
Right.
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D
The United. Because the argument they make is that we are a client state of Israel, not the other way around.
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A
So that's because they are.
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D
Yes, I know, I agree.
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A
But did just get kind and that's my principal argument.
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C
So.
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A
So when you're like Tim Pool's argument, it's that you're retarded. Yes, that's it. That's, that's the only point I have to make. You are a retard. No, I'll give you an actual Argument, it's that when I ask all of these people, what are Israel's interests in the Panama Canal, they go, I don't know. What are. What's Israel's interests in Greenland? I don't know. What's Israel's interest in Taiwan? I don't know. Well, it sounds like Israel doesn't have interests there, and Israel's interests are in the Middle east, where it just so happens a component of our foreign policy is as well. So it seems like they're an ally of ours in the Middle East. So, yeah, when it comes to the Middle east, we work with them.
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B
It's also insane that all of the people who are saying that Trump doesn't have any allies and he doesn't know how to work with other countries, then they're the ones who are saying, oh, well, we're just listening to. It's like, well, do you. Do you want us to work with other countries? Do you want us to have allies in the region or. Or then are you just gonna blame Israel for everything and that we just are subject to that?
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A
I will say I'm, like, really impressed. They think the Jews are like an alien occupying force that have superpowers. I'm trying to figure out how to phrase this properly.
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B
That's chosen people. They're special.
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A
The argument from a lot of these people is that Jews are just smarter, faster, stronger, and better than them. But I'm not trying to exaggerate or be derisive. It's like they've taken over our country. How? Like, with what we have, we have a substantially larger national budget and global infrastructure. You're telling me that you can't find a way. Like, I don't understand what you're. What the point. What your argument is, is your game.
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C
Yeah, well, I mean, that's the. The argument that is being made is like, it's. It's like when they talk. It's like when somebody's in Black Lives Matter wants to blame white people for all of their ills. Right. It's like, at the end of the day, even if all of that is true, it's still your responsibility to make right with your own life and figure things out.
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A
I'm going to let you guys in on a secret. I know who actually runs everything.
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D
Who's that?
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A
South Koreans. Yep. Did you know their economy is entirely Samsung? That's it. Like, everything they have, it's just basically Samsung. Like, what is it? Like, 8% of their workforce is just working at Samsung?
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C
So that's where all those Exploding ovens are coming from. Those ovens are the.
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A
Well, it's where they make the. Israel.
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B
The exploding electronics come from Israel.
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A
No, no, no. South Korea. They make the lav mics that have cartridges in them that can blast inward.
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B
Gosh. That was. That was a joke. That was a joke.
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A
No, I'm kidding. But, you know, if you think about it, one could make the argument that we've spent billions of dollars on South Korea. We've built missile defense systems for South Korea. We've given, what, 30,000 or some odd troops that we have stationed in South Korea. Sounds like we are serving the people of South Korea for some reason. I don't know why. Or one can make the argument that we serve Ukraine's interest because we've given them more money in three years than we've given Israel in 70. And their prime minister actually came to our Congress where they all waved his flag and got our country behind his war. How amazing.
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B
And added it to their Instagram and Twitter bio, too.
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A
And what?
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B
Added the Ukrainian flag to their Twitter bio.
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A
That's true. That's true. And they executed an American journalist in Ukraine. They killed Gonzalo Lira. So, look, I think it's stupid to play these games, but I will just say this. If you want to criticize Israel, you're allowed to do it. You're always allowed to do it. Please do so and continue to do so, because your criticisms are. That's your opinion. You're an American citizen.
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C
You want.
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A
But the people that are actively trying to dissolve this cease fire before it even began. Psychopaths. The people on the left and the right that are attacking Trump and calling him a chicken. What are you trying to do? Prod him into bombing Iran? Are you nuts? These people are scumbags.
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B
I don't think, though, look, I don't think Trump is doing any of this based on popularity or what he's being talked into, because if you look at the numbers, it's never popular to wage war. Certainly would not be popular to put boots on the ground. I think he knew that going into this. And that's why, from my vantage point, I think he did it because he truly believed that Iran was an imminent nuclear threat to us. Because there. There really is no discernible benefit to him politically, financially, any other way. Like, it's not like he gets something out of this. I think he did it because he wanted to make the world a safer place, even if there were some political costs in the short term.
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C
So, like. But that was what the bunker Busters were for. Was that last year now? Right?
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B
Was it.
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A
That was June.
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C
Okay. So that was to set back the Iranian nuclear program and other, you know, we're always setting it back 20 years.
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A
Right. That's, that's.
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B
No, I know. Yeah. We're weeks away. Days.
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C
Yeah, that's, that's the point.
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A
Right.
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C
Is people, People hear that. And I was watching. Tim, do you ever watch Terminalist Dark Wolf?
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A
Yeah.
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C
The point is it's about peace deals in Iran, in America, in Israel back in 2015. And so for a lot of it's all about the song remains the same. It feels like the same thing over and over again. And to your point earlier, about the people who are posting about this, when politics becomes sport and something that you post about online as a running, you know, whether whatever your theme is, whether it's Jo Kent in Israel, whether it's Tucker Carlson in Israel, whether if you're on the other side of the aisle and you want to hold Iran responsible, what you're seeing right now is the cost of everyone turning. First of all, it's monetized. So if you're, if you're posting on X, you're monetized and there's in financial incentive to do so. It is not prudent to take a ton of your advice or your news from people who are financially benefiting from the most sensational headline they can get.
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A
Look at, look at the Daily Beast route. Maga pod bro predicts crushing Trump humiliation.
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C
Says Taco Time in there too.
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A
Does. And I never said this.
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C
Your Maga Pod bro.
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A
Me. That's me. It's me. Look at that. Tim Pool. I said Trump's safest play is off ramp and declare victory. Iran is driven by ideologies, not going to back down. Leaving Trump with two options, total annihilation or retreat. Both will be bad, but retreat is the safer and easier option. Trump will likely back down. That was not an insult to Donald Trump. That was not a request for one of the two options. The effing lunatics on. I'm going to tell you guys, I have never been more anti free speech than I am right now from the people who are trying to make World War 3 happen. Trump gets a ceasefire and they're like, you're a chicken, Trump, you're a chicken. It's like, stop. Shut the up. And there have been a series of posts where Tucker Carlson says that there is an effort to like have a new economic order and bring China into the fold. And I stated a fact. The liberal economic order is waning and a new Chinese Communist, you know, is rising. And I get all these mega bros being like, tim wants China to win. And I'm like, I'm literally just saying what is happening. Same thing here. This is what we live right now. This is our politics. The Daily Beast says Tim Pool predicts Trump humiliation. No, I said Trump's going to weigh the options and he's going to take the safer approach. He's going to declare a victory, he's going to pull back, and that's exactly what we're seeing. And it's a good thing. But they have to frame it always in the most insane of ways, to make sure everybody is at each other's throats like maniacs.
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C
This is a, but this is a direct result for the political landscape becoming what, what it is under Trump. Right? Which is that it's funny that you mentioned, like, Trump's foreign policy and American foreign policy, like, we're having the most foreign policy wins in his first term, right? The most foreign policy wins that doesn't involve just surrendering and giving other countries money under the guy who is the most bombastic with his dialogue. Whereas in prior administrations, they're very polite when they tweet, they're very polite when they give their speeches, but you end up surrendering, giving money, leaving hostages behind. Now they frame the American government, destroys a bunch of their equipment to just to save one soldier, and the people are framing it as a bad thing that we lost a bunch of equipment all to go back and save one person, when that is objectively what makes America great.
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A
I, you know, I look at everything that's going on and I'm like, I think they really just want to burn down America. Because if you, if I know Phil's about to just say yes, but the,
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D
the reason, the reason that they want to burn down America is because they don't like the, a lot of the, at least the right wing libertarians that are like this. They don't want to see the United States be the unipolar power. They want to see an end to the petrodollar. They want to see the United States. Well, that's the thing. They say that, they say that it wouldn't, they're like, no, well, China doesn't have those ambitions. And now. I totally disagree.
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A
The Belt and Road initiative.
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D
I completely agree. And that's, again, this is the, the libertarians take on foreign policy is one of the big reasons why I'm not a libertarian anymore. Because I think it's, it's A fantasy. But they would say, look, they. China doesn't have these goals. Russia doesn't have these goals. You know, the reason that Russia invaded Ukraine was because the US Was meddling and blah, blah, blah. Essentially, they're. They blame everything on the US Ever since the term blowback got into the libertarian mind, they're like, everything's the United States fault. Everything is the United States fault. And so they're like, the US should close all the bases, stop being the world police, and they should just. We should just retract to. To, you know, our own continent and be here in the US And. And trade with everybody. Which sounds great, but it actually doesn't work in reality.
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A
Is that shirt on ironic?
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B
Well, tonight I also think there's, like, an incredible amount of naivete.
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D
Yes.
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B
In the US I think there's a lot of people who, like, looked at Obama and they're like, oh, he's so nice. And he just. He says these wonderful words, and everyone likes him and isn't that fabulous? And paid no attention to the action of, like, literally leaving our people in Benghazi to get slaughtered, which is disgusting. You juxtapose that with the fact that we. Trump may have some crazy rhetoric, but then he, like, saves people. But I just. I don't think people understand how evil and horrible the world is. And I don't think kids are taught history, so they don't understand that the vast majority of people have lived in completely barbaric times, and what we have right now is so special and unique, and the vast majority of the world wants to cut us down. I don't think that we understand the evils of China, of Iran. We only in America. The media is obsessed with how horrible America is. We talk about war crimes. It's been all about the potential hypothetical war crimes that the US Might commit. Nothing about how evil and horrible Iran is.
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D
That's a point that Tim makes here. A lot like the United States. Regardless of what you think about the United States, the United States is objectively the most measured and the most benevolent global power ever in human history. Do you think the Mongols, if they had the United.
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A
If they had aircraft carriers, do you
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D
think the Mongols would have. Would have.
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A
Have remembered a Soviet Union?
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D
Yeah. The Russians were not in any way, you know, a chill kind of group of people. Like, in all of human.
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A
Yeah.
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D
In all of human history, there has never been a country with as much power as the United States military has. And there has never been a country that has given away as much money as the United States does. And, and so to say that the United States is anything other than the most benevolent world power in human history is farcical. But they will still say, it's like,
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oh, you know that story I told last week of the homeless guy? Quick version. I was 16, I gave a homeless guy money. He kept asking for more. Then he insulted me cause I wouldn't buy him, or I did buy him cigarettes. Then he asked for cash on the way out and I said, I thought you were cool, man. Like, that's the attitude of communists and the rest of the world. The United States is like, we're gonna ensure safe travels, we're gonna stop the pirates, we're gonna have safe oceans. We are going to give you free money for your stupid programs and we're going to provide for your defense. And they go, screw you, man. Like, look at what NATO's doing right now. Like, Trump's critique of NATO has been correct the whole time when he says we've been giving them our military and spending money and they're not putting their GDP in it the way they're supposed to. And we're supposed to sit here and say, we'll pay your security for free.
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C
I mean, there is also a sense of, from, especially from leftists in America, is that that's our original sin, it's our cross to bear, that we should be helping the rest of the world because America's evil.
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B
Yeah, yeah, no, we hate ourselves. And so as a result, it's self flagellation. And again, it's just this naivete that somehow if we just focus inward and whatever, the world will be fine. And it's interesting part of the rhetoric too is we hear that, oh well, the only reason the Middle east is messed up is because we ever went in there in the first place. Like everything somehow in the world is either America or Israel's fault. And it's like, no, we were just twiddling our thumbs under Jimmy Carter and they literally attacked people and murdered America. Like any time that we just try and are isolationist, we get it. Like, things get really bad in the
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C
world every time I try to pull me back in.
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A
It's funny because we see these videos of how America used to be and they're like showing Times Square and like 1890 with this like high up uprest footage. And everyone's like, look how great and peaceful it is. And they show ski resorts where everybody leaves thousands of dollars worth of ski equipment lying around. High trust society. And then many of these same people criticize Donald Trump. Or the US in general for trying to maintain order and stability and high trust around the world, albeit it's a difficult job and sometimes you don't do it well. And we should criticize the US Military when they do things that are bad. I think Afghanistan and Iraq were huge blunders. But again, to Phil's point, this has been the most benevolent global power in the history of mankind.
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C
As a matter of narrative framing, like, my favorite part about X is, like, whenever a different president is in office, the other party or people who like the other party are like, the rest of the world is laughing at us right now. But literally all you have to do is wait, and both sides will say the same thing about the other side, about everything.
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We are chickens in a chicken coop, really. I say this.
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B
Republicans, I think, overwhelmingly love America, and Democrats overwhelmingly either seem embarrassed of America. Like, back to Michelle Obama. I never felt proud of my. It's like, okay, if you don't, like. Like, no one's making you. Like, I just. I feel like this narrative has only escalated since we've been in Iran.
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D
I hate those.
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B
It's like, ugh, like the worst. It's like, great move to Iran.
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A
Like, I want to throw a cultural reference here. Squid Games, when it came out, I said it was a critique of communism, and all the communists and lefties were like, Tim Pool, so dumb. It's clearly a critique of capitalism. The guy who wrote it even said it was a critique of capitalism. And I go back in time with this story because it's relevant to the worldview of these people. Let me explain something. In Squid Games, people who are down on their luck are promised the. The beautiful, beautiful new world. Come and join us, and you will get something beautiful. They are told to join by choice, and they are put into a game where now they can die. Not capitalism. When they enter this game, they are stripped of all their possessions and belongings and have to wear jumpsuits that are identical and eat the same food. They are placed on an equal line and told to compete in games while the powerful elites laugh and the poor people die. Not capitalism. If Squid Games were a critique of capitalism, they would say, you can leave at any time. They would say, if you have more money, you can purchase a higher position in the hierarchy. In those games. They wouldn't require them all to revolt, to try and fight their way out the way communists do. Now, if your argument is. The guy who wrote it thought it was a critique of capitalism. My response is yes, because communists are retarded and they don't understand that capitalism offers you choice. If you don't like this system, you can literally opt out. You can walk off into the wilderness. You can get in a boat and just kick yourself out of the. Off in the ocean. Now, fair point. If you want to argue it's not so easy just to cut yourself off from society. That was always true whether there was government or not. Alone in the woods, you die. And if you want to argue that Squid Games was a critique of capitalism, I would accept this. If in the show they said, you're all allowed to leave whenever you want and the door led to the ocean, I'd say, I get it. It's impossible. Capitalism is very hard. Leaving society is difficult, but unfortunately for these people, that's not how it played out. They critiqued communism accidentally and were too stupid to realize it.
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C
Well, it's also like, we live in this nihilistic culture now where it's like just the idea that they have to get up every day and go to work, and they're like, I have to go to work for eight and I have to commute an hour. That's like half my. That's like a third of my day. I have to sleep. Like, I have no time for me. Right. Not realizing that throughout human history, you didn't really have time for you because you had to get up and go hunt to make sure that you could
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B
actually get nasty, brutish, and short.
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C
Yes.
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D
Yeah.
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A
So way to describe it. Here's an idea.
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B
Leviathan.
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A
I. I think we should do a Squid games. I think Mr. Beast doesn't go far enough. I think what we should do.
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C
If he could trust me.
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B
God.
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A
Well, I. I think. Think these silly game shows like Survivor are dumb. And Mr. B. He would if you could, Mr. Beast. It's like the Mr. Beast games are actually just more cutthroat. If you take the million dollars, they all lose. I'll do it. Yeah. I don't know you. I don't care. Everybody's gonna say yes. What they should do is, if you like, they should recruit people who are like, capitalism is bad. It's like, okay, how would you like to play this game show where you can. We can win. We should do this. You win 10 grand. What we do is we bring you to the woods, we throw a pointy stick at you and say, you're on your own for two weeks. Good luck. If you can make it in the real world without help from others, you will win money. Because then I will agree. You actually have a point. When you Argue the system is bad. If at any point you want to leave, just scream, Dear God, help me, I was wrong. And we'll airlift you out and we'll bring you home. Not a single one of them. Not a single communist would make it. Not a single communist would make it.
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B
I think you have a future in game shows on YouTube, Mr. Pool.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Those are philosophical worldviews that are vastly different.
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D
Right.
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C
Is that the communists believe that the system should take care of you. And the idea which they now denigrate of rugged American individualism is that it's your responsibility to make your own life what it is.
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A
Let's do the commie games.
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C
Perfect.
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A
And then, because, like, I want to ask you guys something. I am under no illusions. In a communist society, they will put a bullet in my head or make me break rocks. Why, bro? For what function do I benefit a communist society? Is my talking going to benefit the great leader?
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C
Well, only if I'm state sponsored radio.
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A
Exactly. If I agree to read their script and advocate for them. But in a communist society, there is no need for a plethora of podcasters. So y' all are gone. Just imagine what would happen Hasan Piker, if a communist revolution actually happened. They'd be like, you're big. You can break rocks. And he's gonna go, but I'm a podcaster. And they'll go, a what?
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C
No, they might keep him. Like, who else are they gonna keep him?
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A
The first thing they do is eliminate anybody who helped foment the revolution.
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C
Which podcaster would they keep? They got to keep one for making
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B
me want to see. Would have a new person who doesn't have any autonomy. They could just have as a talking head. Oh, well, go ahead.
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A
Hassan Piker, in our society has proven independently. He has made a choice to foment a revolution and create this content. Every single time we see these revolutions, they eliminate people like this because they are independent thinkers. And your point is correct. Yeah, exactly.
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B
They just killed by the sword. You die by the sword.
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D
You do not want revolutionaries. When you're in control, you use the revolutionaries to get control, and then once you have control, you liquidate them. It happened in Russia. It happened in. It happened in Cambodia. It happened in China, probably multiple times. In China, they will liquidate all of the people that foment the revolution.
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A
Now it's the French Revolution, like you pointed out. Like, how many revolutions did they have? Even, like, seven in, like, two years.
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B
I'm exaggerating, you know, but it's so interesting to me, and it kind of makes me sad. I feel like is we're seeing the Iranian people want freedom. They're tired of this Islamic republic or, you know, throughout the world, it seems like there's a recognition that capitalism is good, that the society that America's created is good, and yet Americans don't appreciate it. And I know there's, you know, you were talking about some videos that have gone viral of what America used to be in 1800s and 1900s and now we're seeing viral videos in El Salvador. Right. Of how they've cleaned that up at the same time that we're looking at like Paris is being desecrated. And so it almost feels like I don't want to be fatalistic here, but it feels like in South America with Milei and then, you know, in Argentina and then in El Salvador, those places are embracing Western values. At the same time, we're eschewing it and it's kind of sad.
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A
Let's. Let's pull up this tweet from everyone's favorite Candace Owens, who said that Trump killed Charlie Kirk. Yeah, the Iranian. Here's her tweet. The Iranian president tweets that he is willing to sacrifice his own life for his people. Donald Trump was willing to sacrifice Charlie Kirk and is willing to sacrifice every American life and livelihood for greater Israel. Who is the animal again now? Is she evil, retarded or bold?
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B
Both.
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D
Both.
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A
Both agreed. Accepted. She is now advanced to saying Donald Trump killed or had Charlie Kirk killed for Israel.
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B
Okay. Just by the way Iran is literally conscripting 12 year olds because no one wants to give their life for Iran. They're literally forcing people to stand around power plants so that Trump doesn't. I mean, obviously what the Iranian president saying is a complete effing lie.
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A
Yeah.
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D
I mean right now I'm seeing stuff on Twitter saying that there is my
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A
novels reporting missiles are still hitting Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, a lot.
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D
Yeah, I've gotten no actual IDF is attacking Iran following multiple missile launches from the country. There's also word that Iran is. Is launching seven last time UAE, Bahrain,
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A
Saudi Arabia, 12 day war after they announced cessation of hostilities. There were still missiles flying and it was the weirdest thing where they're like we're flying a ceasefire and we'll stop firing missiles in three hours. Like just stop now. Dude, what are you doing? But anyway, back to the. Where we're currently at domestically with I don't know, just the mass formation psychosis, I guess. I. It's pretty wild that you can watch Candace Owens Increment the psychosis. I, I gotta, I gotta say, I think she's a pied piper. It's an intentional play where every day she says something crazier and crazier and crazier. She is pulling people into a dark corner that they're going to lop off and cast away. So you start with I love Charlie Kirk. And then all the Charlie Kirk fans are like, oh, let me hear what you have to say. She then says, I want to get to the bottom of who murdered him. They all start listening. Every day she increments the story in a crazier and crazier way. Now, people who are reasonable 7 months ago think Donald Trump killed Charlie Kirk. Today that is a degree of retardation and mass formation psychosis that is hard to recover from. So these people will start posting these things and then I imagine they're going to start getting banned, censorship's going to appear, and she's Pied pipering all of these people in a crazy direction and then they'll all get axed from the Internet.
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D
Yeah, I mean, look, I can't say enough negative things about people like, you know, like Candace Owens and, and a slew of other, you know, influencers or whatever you want to call them that have just jumped on to Charlie Kirk and moved directly to Israel did it and no, Trump did it. Well, I mean, that's the point.
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A
Saying Trump killed Charlie.
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B
Well, because. Because Israel controls him.
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A
Yeah. Or Trump did it for Israel.
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B
It's textbook brainwashing. It's almost like the strategies you read that the communists use on people. It's sort of this frog in the boiling water where day by day you're not really paying attention to what's going on. And then you just get so sucked in and then you start to believe this and you assume that only she has this secret knowledge and she's the only person that you can really listen to. Right. I just. The conspiracy theories are really out of control and I understand where they come from, but it's.
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A
My conspiracy theory is that they are excising the fringes and this is a really accident plan towards doing it. Every day she. Look, the people who follow day. You mean her corporate interests? Deep state machine, state politicians.
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B
Who do you think the corporate interests are?
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A
The same people who are behind like intelligence agencies, say people who are behind YouTube censorship. If you're looking at how Twitter and Facebook, when it was Twitter had backdoors for intelligence agencies where the Biden administration, I think, got sued by. Was it Alex Berenstein? For telling them to censor him. Censorship did not work. So what is the best course of action you can take? Okay, well, how do we get people to all collectively start breaking the rules in such a way that we can legit legitimately just removing them? Well, you make them nuts.
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B
Whose interest would that be in? You think that the ultimate goal of making people crazy is censorship? Is that the idea?
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A
I would argue that Donald Trump was not supposed to win. They thought Hillary Clinton was going to win. The WikiLeaks emails in 2016 from Democrats show that they thought Trump was a Pied Piper candidate, that they would use him to lead Republicans in a bad direction. They could not win. And then Trump won and they were like, crap, what do we do? I think they're now realizing that you have this massive populist base they're all subscribed to and supporting Turning Point. Turning Point helped Trump win again. So the play is how do we get these people to stop paying attention to foreign policy and politics? Candace Owens is one of the most prominent actors in helping Democrats win the midterms. With the quote from Candace, we don't care about your midterms.
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B
I mean, do you think. I mean, now I'm criticizing conspiracy theories and then potentially getting into them. It's interesting. Hassan Piker was criticized because he posted a screenshot of his followers and it revealed that he only had like 20,000 verified followers or something shocking on X. I mean, do you think then that there are folks who are sort of propping her up with bot network?
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A
Well, I don't know. What I will say is this. When Elon announced he was going to buy Twitter, something strange happened across social blade where you could track all of the liberal personality started losing hundreds of thousands of followers and conservatives started gaining hundreds of thousands of followers, which defies explanation. Some argued that they had their thumb on the scale. They had a script that would artificially amplify the accounts of leftists to make it look more prominent. One of the theories is that, well, I'll tell you this, a tactic inside which is a fact. This is true. What you, what you do is you go on Google Ads. It's harder to do these days and you can run advertisements on a single video of your choosing. So let's say the story that I've talked about is a fitness influencer who was. I will not name. I don't want to start a beef. A guy who just make. I'm doing push ups today and I'm going to do my delts today. And like we're going running today. And then he got asked to comment on Israel after October 7th. So he made a video saying, I'm not big on politics, I know people have been asking me. That video gets 50k views. So he's normally getting 10 to 20k. Well, it's a big trending story, right? It's a bunch of views. And then he says, wow, I talked about Israel, got a lot. He goes back to fitness. The comments are saying, hey, look what's going on, look what's going on. What do you think? We saw your video. So he goes, I'll do another one. 100,000 views. He goes, wow. Now his channel is literally just as real. And all he does, he's not even to fitness anymore because what happens is he starts getting massive viewership. Now how can you game that? You can go to someone's channel, wait till they post the content you want them to make, take the URL, go on Google Ads and put a thousand dollars behind that one video. Now every time somebody watches that video, your ad wins the bid and they'll get slightly higher viewership and money because you pledged 1,000 bucks on it. YouTube says we need to play this video more because we've got ads bought against it.
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B
I didn't realize the ads could influence the content. Yes, in that way.
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A
So imagine this. Imagine you make three videos. One's about the color green, one's blue, one's red. Blue and green get 10,000, red gets 100,000. You look at the red video and you're like, I made 500 bucks off that. You're gonna make more. And that can be artificially controlled by going to Google Ads and putting money into it. It this is known and whether there's evidence of direct psyops, I don't know. But I just, I do know it is a technique and tactic that is used.
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B
I mean if you, yeah, if you're, if you're a billionaire and you want
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A
to, you don't even need a billion dollars. It can be real cheap.
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B
It is, it is crazy how much things can be influenced in the attention economy. People could spend a couple thousand bucks and like completely. You look at the way that politicians are bought off with a couple million bucks. I mean it's, it's insane. I'll just hear strategic how little money you can use to control and influence things.
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A
They censored Alex Jones and banned him from YouTube. Nick Fuentes as well. These are individuals that are largely viewed as organic, independent. Alex Jones anti establishment says a bunch of controversial things. Well Candace Owens says things that are controversial as well, that break the rules, but she is promoted by YouTube, she's married to a British lord, and her lawyers work in a federal, in a building with federal agents. So it just reeks of, I don't know, some kind of coordinated effort. I'm not saying it is. She could just be a whackaloon. But I will say, if you were concerned that a large populist base was voting for a candidate you did not like, what is the effective way to stop them? You get them to focus on issues that don't matter in elections.
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C
I mean, but this is happening anyways because of the big tent, right? It's like, what did I say the other week is like, in one day, three separate parts of the 2024 coalition all said they were going to lose the midterms. One was glyphosate and the other one was Iran. And they're like, everybody's got their one issue and everybody's a one issue voter now.
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A
But those, those, those, those issues actually matter for an election. So if they're pushing out, they're saying,
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C
like, I'm not voting for them. And so, so whoever it is says people.
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A
So, so, so again, how do you stop those people? If you have a great big wall, it's guarding your property, and everybody keeps attacking the weak point, and you're like, they keep breaking through the weak point and getting in past our wall. What do we do? We need to trick them into fighting the tree over there instead of the wall. So what you do is you can start put running stories about how the tree is a portal that leads to the inside of the wall and they all start whacking the tree and now they're doing God knows what and you're laughing.
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B
I think it's so crazy. I mean, this is such a new phenomenon in the history of the world where you have these sort of parasocial relationships with podcasters and influencers in a way that we never had with like Walter Cronkite or, you know, Tokyo Rose, who obviously tried to like, did have those people, the, you know, lure the soldiers into sort of Japanese propaganda.
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D
People did have those with like, with like TV personalities.
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B
That's fair.
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D
And entertainers.
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B
But there's, there's so much trust because she, you know, all these people market themselves as just your normal kind of gal that you might see at a coffee shop or whatever. And then it's, it's crazy to think that like, like there actually could be money and propaganda and all of these things behind that.
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C
It's actually not about. It's not about the coffee shop, actually. It's about these people saying, like, everyone's lying to you. I'm the one who's telling you the truth.
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A
Let me just. Let me keep it simple. YouTube was censoring. It's a fact. Especially the Eric Charmello story. They deleted one of my videos for simply reading real clear investigation story on the sky. We know they did. It didn't work. It didn't curtail the message. It exacerbated the problem. Alex Jones still exists. They banned him. He's still around. What's the more effective means of eliminating a popular movement? You throw a bone in the wrong direction and make them go chase it. Now, when it comes to elections, they're gonna go, donald Trump killed Charlie Kirk. Don't vote for him. And you're gonna go, what the you talking about? Trump's talking about lowering gas prices. No, he killed Charlie Kirk. And it's like you're. You're out.
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B
You can't. You can't combat that. Right. It's like at that point, people are so down the rabbit hole.
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A
That's the point.
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B
Yeah.
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D
When.
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A
I mean, how do you bring them back to reality?
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B
Otherwise?
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C
It was. It was glyphosate, it was Iran, and then it was Epstein, and those are the.
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B
Yeah, I hate glyphosate. This is actually something I organically.
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C
There. There you go.
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A
And that actually helped Trump win because RFK Jr got suburban women who are middle of the road to vote for the Trump administration. And Candace is doing everything in her power to push those voters out, make sure they vote Democrat or don't vote at all. I don't think that's an accident.
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B
I mean, it's a lot of. Yeah. Suburban moms who listen to her.
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A
I don't think it's an accident that Trump won in two ways. This is really interesting. Candace hits the nail on the head with two major voting blocks. She is attacking Turning Point, which got young voters to vote for Trump, and she is attacking Trump personally to suburban women. So getting people to turn on Turning Point, which is a massive voter registration effort for Trump and the Republicans, and convincing the Maha suburban women that Trump is an assassin who killed Charlie Kirk for Israel. She is. She is attacking a principal voter bloc for the right populist movement. I don't think it's an accident. I just.
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B
No, I've never thought about it that way, but you obviously understand the attention economy and incentives and I mean, it's sort of the most fundamental thing. It's like Maslov's. Or not Maslov. No, it's like Pavlov. Sorry. I don't know. I was thinking of some scientist. Yeah. Where it's like, people respond to these hits and they respond to whatever traffic, swallow, and they just do more of it.
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A
We got this tweet from Matt Van Swell that I really liked. He said, why does everything feel like theater? We have a Congress that won't pass something 83% of people want. We have a judicial system that doesn't hold criminals accountable. We have an education system that doesn't educate. We have a nonprofit system that profits from our tax dollars. We have a health care industry that profits from you staying sick. We have a financial industry that needs you to stay in debt. We have an insurance industry that fights every single claim. It just all feels so fake, so theatrical. Because I will tell you this, everybody just wants to extract some kind of value for themselves, and they will do it wherever they can.
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C
The leftists will just say that that's
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A
capitalism's fault, and the right will say it's communism. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. None of the matters. I will make the argument that evil is much, much more pronounced than people realize. We had talked about this last week that, you know, they say when you come into money, everyone comes out of the woodwork. But I would say that when you gain any kind of notoriety, people that you know and trust, you see them instantly turn into demons. They'll knife you in the back. They'll steal from you, they'll betray you, they'll accuse you of things. It's wild. It was something that was rather a shock to me when I experienced it.
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C
It was like when you were talking earlier about Animal Farm. And I'm like, I'm radicalized against private equity. Have you seen the stories about, like, the hockey player? The hockey kids whose parents aren't allowed to film at arenas because private equity owns the rinks?
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A
Like, but this is the funny thing. What does private equity mean in this case?
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C
It was bought up by a specific firm.
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A
See, the issue that I take with this quote, unquote, private equity claim is that they're upset over the actions of a company. What the critique, though, is instead of saying, company bought, there's company I like, it was bought out by an investment firm. That's what private equity means. And then stripped of assets and broken down, it's like, okay. But then they say all private equity is bad. It's like, you're just criticizing Capitalism?
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C
Well, that's. I mean, that's just an inability to be nuanced in the subject.
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B
Okay, I wrestle with this because I obviously am a huge believer in capitalism, but in any system, you have flaws. And I think private equity and to an extent, hedge funds are those flaws. I think capitalism.
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A
But let's. I gotta stop you there. Hold on. You have to define private equity.
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B
So private equity, I would say, I don't wanna name the big PE firms that buy things up. They laden them with debt and then they create this situation where they have to make an insane amount of profit, which is. Means firing people and raising prices. And so.
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A
But if you're critique veterinarian, if your critique is a specific company, then we can critique that corrupt company. Like saying, because there are big companies that do bad things, the entire function of private equity is bad is just. I think it's wrong.
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B
I think in theory there's value to it.
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A
The general concept, what we're seeing right
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B
now is like, it's destroying mainstream.
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A
I disagree. I think there are certain companies that are bad. The concept of private equity at its blanket core is, I have an investment firm and we see a dysfunctional company that is burning money and mischieing its employees. We can come in, clean things up, cut the bloat. It's basically like flipping houses for businesses, but the communists hate all of it. There was a video I watched where someone was talking about how to disrupt house flipping. And I'm like, house flipping is a service. You find a derelict house that's in disrepair, you go in, you clean it up, and you sell it. You get a profit for doing that service and making the community a little bit nicer. Private equity does that for businesses that are dysfunctional. They go in, they say, you've got redundancies here. You've got to cut that and we can make this business profitable again. However, there are big evil real estate companies that do things like blockbusting. We don't say all real estate is evil. And there are big private equity firms that do bad things and gut companies and fire people to strip them from parts. But that doesn't mean the entire concept of investing in businesses is a bad thing.
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B
What I would say, yeah, I totally agree with that analysis. I think right now we're in a situation where. And this is. I've been thinking a lot about, like, America as an experiment, and obviously the founders believe that, like, America is. I think this is apocryphally attributed to. Who is it? I'm blanking to. Toqueville But America is great because she's good. And when she ceases to be good, she'll cease to be great. And so I think the morality and faith and religion, all of that is such an important underpinning for our system. And when you watch, like, you know, Frank Capra movies where you see the little guy trying to stand up against kind of the big guy, I think America used to have a system of morality. You look at CEOs trust in the 60s, you know, they were paid, I think, like 100 times the average employee. And now you see, back in the
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A
day, it was about 13%. 13 times, okay, now it's 100.
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B
Now it's. It's way more than that. And so I think. I don't know, I think there is. The system is flawed. But I do think that, like, people had more of a sense of responsibility to their community.
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A
So there's a CEO of a Fortune 500 company. He'll make maybe $13 million average salary. Sometimes they get more than that, depending the stockholders and owners that function as CEOs will make more through stock bonuses and things like that. If you were to take the salary of the CEO and break it up among their 40 million, I'm sorry, 40,000 employees, people aren't really going to make much more money at all.
- [65:52]
B
And to be fair, a lot of the compensation, when we say, oh, this CEO made, you know, $500 million this year stock, it's.
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A
They don't make that much money stock.
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B
It's not like they're getting that in their pocket. I think they're incentivized to. So I actually, I don't.
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C
Also, the people who.
- [66:07]
B
That was kind of a escape.
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C
The people who critique the. The guy at the top of the, of the food chain of the company, tend to straw man the argument about just how important his job is and just how much he has to. To do any given day. The relationships that he has to build with other companies. His attempt to be, you know, to be able to foresee what's going to happen at the market. If you look at what David Zaslav did with Warner Brothers before the Paramount sale was that he had to lean out the company and he had to cancel the right projects. He had to move things around to make it. He took a stock that was at like 16 and got another company to pay like $40.
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A
So this is an important clarification for most people. The last time we covered this, it was lower and it's been several years. Inflation has been pretty brutal. But the average compensation package for a Fortune 500 CEO, any guesses? 18 million. And that's not the salary. That's a compensation package which includes bonuses and equity awards. Any guesses on the base average salary for a Fortune 500 CEO?
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C
75 million.
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A
$1 million. So these people come out and they are convinced, these commies, that CEOs of these Fortune 500s are making $500 million when they're making 500 times less than Elon Musk or.
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B
This is my other. This is my other thing. I am. I think Elon Musk deserves every penny.
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A
I think, I think absolutely.
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B
We're like CEO that's more of like a, A safe pair of hands. You're not necessarily innovating, but people in tech who are actually creating things. I'm like, he deserve, I want him to be a trillionaire. Like, he has created out of nothing, incredible products that are sending people to making all of our lives better. Like that, to me, is the capitalist dream. You're making the pie bigger. You're creating things so people's lives improve.
- [67:48]
C
It's also about your fundamental outlook on improving the world. Right. It's like the argument I always make is like, we've been to the most rural areas of the state and Amazon can still deliver you packages there.
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A
Right?
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C
The idea is like, is Jeff. I guess Jeff Basis isn't in charge of Amazon anymore. But the point being it's a, it's a company that he built, right? Like, how much, how much cap do you want to put on what he's worth when he's able to bring people who at one point may not have had access to that much that quickly can now get something shipped to them in two days. It depends on how you view what he's given society.
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B
Ok, so I'm curious actually, Tim, to get your take on hedge funds, because I, I know you made the point that PE can actually be beneficial. I think maybe hedge funds can be beneficial. I think they are so abused right now. Like all of the, many of the richest people in New York. I live in New York. The nicest homes in the Hamptons are almost all owned by hedge fund managers. I don't think they create that much value for the economy. And I know the argument about, oh, they have teachers pensions. And I really don't think that these people who are worth like $10 billion, I don't think that they have created $10 billion worth of value. I think, but I don't think they've.
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A
I would agree and disagree. The management of the economy is probably one of the most important jobs. So whether they deserve to get, you know, $20 million a year, whatever, I don't know. But oftentimes it's like 100. Economic management is probably the most important thing that someone could do in this system. But the reason, I mean, obviously I think there's much more important jobs, but there's a function of you're moving, you
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B
know what I mean? You're not creating value, you're moving numbers around.
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A
I think that's an overly simplistic way to view what hedge fund managers are.
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D
I mean, if you're a bad hedge fund manager, you're going to. And your, your hedge fund loses money, you're going to lose the job, right?
- [69:36]
A
Yeah. Like, again, I'm not.
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B
After you take your 2 and 20, you'll still make a lot of money.
- [69:40]
A
Day traders actually don't, so I'll start here. I know I'm. This is not hedge fund managers, but day traders, not a real thing for the most part. Like, their margins are slim. There are people who live in this fantasy world where they think that you can sit there on a computer trading, you make a bunch of money. You don't. I think you sit there and think about it for a few seconds, going to realize, like, there's a cap to how much money you can actually generate. There's a bunch of fake posts on the Internet where they're like, you can program a bot to make money on the stock market for you, which is just not true. The liquidity doesn't exist for it. So like we've discussed this here, these posts where they're like, I made a bot for polymarket and it's generating 100,000amonth. Not true. It's not possible because liquidity doesn't exist for that. So there's key areas where you can buy, but you have to manually do it because these bots don't know how to do it fast enough. And they can't see as wide as a human can. Maybe in the future they can. For hedge fund managers, they're doing that, but a larger scale, which is managing people's pensions and investments. So the management of retirement funds and economics is a very important job. I think there's more important jobs. I do think they probably make a lot more money than they need to. That's a fair assessment. But I don't think it's as simple to say, just move money around. Like they're calculating things and they're smarter.
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B
Yeah. And I think the activists actually will Say, okay, this company's screwed. I actually think short sellers have a value. I think. I think they're sort of monitoring certain companies and whether.
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A
What I would say is, I don't think.
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B
I mean, like, I don't think, like,
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A
Ken Griffin, all of the. Everybody thinks they're smarter than everybody else. And it's laughable when they say things like, they're smarter than most people in Congress, and they're just like some mid-40s dude who, like, comes on a podcast periodically. Or they, well, everyone knows what I was talking about. Or they claim that Donald Trump is an idiot and they're smarter than him.
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B
Oh, my God, that kills me.
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A
Yeah, yeah, they. They. It's. It's. It's fascinating what I. What I will tell you. And here's a lesson for everybody who doesn't own a business from. From someone who does. And I know all the people who do own a business are gonna love it because they know what I'm talking about. You will find that there is a decent portion of individuals who will come to work for you who believe that you have infinite money. Money just exists, and they deserve it. And I will tell you, throughout my years with contractors and various employees, I have. I have literally asked people like, so you're asking me for money? And they're like, yes. And I said, where does that money come from? And what do you mean? I'm like, well, you want me, Tim Pool, to give you money, right? Like, yeah, okay. Where does that money come from? They're like, I don't know. The business. And I'm like, right, but the business has to get it from somewhere. Like, I had this. Ian, we had this conversation on the show when he was saying that in the future, shows will pay the people to watch them. And I said, what? He's like, yeah, because the eyeballs are valuable. I'm like, then why? So the sponsor would make their own show. They wouldn't sponsor other shows. He's like, what? No, I'm just saying the show would just pay people to watch the show. And I said, where does that money come from? Like, I have to track every month, every week, income and output, and then balance that budget. The government doesn't have to do that. They just print the money. But I tell you, there are people who literally just think, what do you mean? You're a business, you have money. It just exists.
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B
And because. Because everyone's told they're special, they're special, they deserve to have money.
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A
Communists. That's why I think communism is so easy because people don't understand that businesses have to have inflow and they just assume the company has the money. And I love this. I'll tell you one of my favorite stories. I. When I worked for Fusion and ended up leaving, I had friends who still worked there, and I found out they were trying to form a union. For those that don't know, Univision and ABC teamed up for an investment to create a. It was originally supposed to be Hispanic oriented Millennial media, but they realized that millennial Hispanics actually spoke English and so they could actually cast a broader net. So they teamed up with ABC and said, let's make a youth brand created Fusion. So this was a company that made no money. It was built off of, I believe the number was a $300 million combined investment from the two companies. So they built a building. It was massive. They hired a bunch of young people. I was one of them. They paid great salaries. I left and then I heard the employees were trying to form a union. And I talked to one of my friends who worked there, and I said, what's this about? You guys are trying to unionize? And she's like, yeah, I don't think they pay enough. And I said, but they don't make money. She said, what do you mean? They've got a bunch of money and they need to pay us more. And I said, the company you work for does not generate revenue. I'm not talking about profit. I'm saying they literally don't generate revenue, meaning they are spending other people's money to hire you in hopes they get more advertising dollars. Now, they did have some revenue. She could not comprehend what I was saying. And she said, I don't know what you mean. We are a bunch of talented writers and journalists, and they need to pay us more money that's market comparable. And I said, the money you are asking for of this company has to come from the pockets of a wealthy individual who. Who then decides whether he's going to give it to you. If I said, listen, if you want to keep your job, you need to go to the president of the company right now and say, I reject the unionization. Tell me what you need me to do and I will do it. But I don't want to be party to this because I understand we don't generate revenue. And she goes, no, I think you're wrong. A week later, they fired 300 people.
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B
It's very confronting, I think, to recognize, yeah, like, oh, I actually have to create a service. Like, I have to create value for something. And I think a lot of journalists, particularly in New York, kind of think because they went to an Ivy League school or they have a job that's very prestigious, that they should also make a lot of money. And David Brooks writes about this, like, status, income disequilibrium. That the reality. And I didn't realize this when I got my first job in news, where I'm like making 30k and trying to live in New York. Like, no, there's a lot of people who want to do these jobs. And if you want to differentiate yourself or if you want to make more money, you have to differentiate yourself.
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C
That's the fundamental thing that a lot of people in Hollywood don't understand because they're basically pay, like the studios pay them to make these movies. Then they're mad when the movies don't get to be made the way they want them to. And they're like, why won't you let me make my movie the way I want to make it?
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D
No one wants to watch your movie.
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C
I'm the one who has to pay the. I'm the one who has to pay everyone the money. I want to see a return on my investment. And then they're shocked, shocked when they're told, no, you can't do that because the studio theoretically actually wants to make something that people want to see. And if you make out of that happen investors.
- [75:59]
B
Yeah. Make it happen.
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D
And if you make a product that the, the. I don't know if it's the way this way in the studio, but in the music world, like, if you make a record and you're like, no, we're doing this on our record. We're not doing what the label wants. The label will be like, we don't hear a single or what have you. If you make a record and the label's like, we don't believe in it, it's actually better for the label to say, okay, fine, you made the record. We're not going to spend a whole lot of money on promoting it. And, and the reason is because they don't believe in the record. So why are they going to spend more money over the. Right, you know, $250,000 they spent to, to make the record or whatever. Yeah, absolutely.
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A
They are completely correct.
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D
Absolutely.
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A
It's the funniest thing in the world to me because, like, I certainly can't speak to it the way that Phil could. But I've had friends who had smaller deals back when I was, you know, like in my early 20s. And the, the, the, the entitlement from these people blew my mind. And I have to ask them. I was like, honest question, did you, like, did the label just owe you the money that you were asking for? Like, was there a reason they had to pay you? And they were like, well, they signed us. And I'm like, right, but they signed you to make a product that people would listen to. And then you told them you didn't want to. So why should they give you money if you don't want to do what they're hiring you to do? And they did not understand because in their mind they were talent. That means they were just deserving of the money.
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B
I'm not trying to like, dunk on millennials because I am actually a millennial, but I do think there's an entire generation that was raised to think that we're just inherently special and wonderful and talented and we need to be celebrated no matter what we do. And also, I think Gen Z, to an extent, all of these kids, because the parenting mindset went from basically like, live your, like, you know, be smart, to now like, oh, no, we children need to be nurtured and told they're wonderful. And of course, when you get into the real world, you just assume that everyone else is going to treat you like your parents and just nurture you and tell you you're great. And that's just not the real world. And I think our parenting is not preparing children. Millennials, successful, competent adults.
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A
Millennials were raised, on average, poorly.
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D
Yeah, well, I mean, I think I was raised fantastically.
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C
Okay? My parents were great.
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A
Anecdotal evidence. That's why in his room, because we were all perfect, little Gen X had to raise his.
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B
Very mixed, actually, because I know there's a lot of chatter about income inequality and I'm very mixed. I do think that we're in a tough, tough economic environment. I do think that many people were sold a false bowl of goods where they were told to go to college, they took out too much debt. Now they're in a tough situation. So I'm, I'm very conflicted because I do think there are certain people who were set up to fail. But I also think there's a lot of people who thought that they should have the sun, moon and stars and are really upset that they have to take a low paying job and work their way up. I think it's mixed there.
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D
I agree with you. I agree with you about the fact that kids were sold a bill of goods about going to college, especially considering AI now, like all the kids that went to college, that got degrees, they couldn't find a job. It's only going to get worse for white collar workers. But the idea of income inequality being a problem, I reject that because the problem isn't that there are other people that have made too much money. That doesn't, doesn't mean that everyone in America has opportunity. And also the reason why there's so much income inequality is because the government left interest rates at 0 from 2008 until like 2018 because people were taking loans at 0% interest. Putting it in the stock market has improved.
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B
Like, yes, there is more. But everyone's like, we all have cell phones now, we all have air conditioning.
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A
I have to stress this too about the income inequality thing. I agree to a functional perspective that whatever your view on this is, societies collapse when income equality, when there's a difference between the highs and lows brackets. However, what I will say is
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C
I
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A
take this personally for one very simple reason. There are people who say, tax the rich. What they don't understand because they are ignorant, unlearned people is that I make a lot of money because I work 16 hours a day and weekends and I've done so for years. Take it. I work less now on the weekends, but there's still a little bit of business stuff that we have to do in terms of paperwork. But I don't do as many shows. I used to work, doing a morning show every day, no days off. And Tim cast IRL Monday through Friday because I work double shifts and the weekends my income is greater, but I have to pay more tax on the extra money I'm earning. What they are telling me is stop working.
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B
Yep.
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A
You're a high producer, high talent individual who generates something of value that people want and it makes a lot of money. But the more you do it, the more we're taking from you to the point where right now, if I were to cut my workload in half. I've talked about it before, I know people don't, like, they think it's like offensive for me to say this, but if I did not do Tim cast IRL, my, the company revenue drops by like 30%. So I'm doing double the work for a 30% increase. That's the system we exist in right now. Yeah. If there was a great video where this rich guy was talking to some commie and he says to the commie, he's like, you think I should be taxed on everything over a million dollars? And he's like, yep. And he goes, okay, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. As soon as I make a million dollars, I shut my company down and I furlough all of my employees and I say why I can't make any more money. So we're done. And there's no answer to that.
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C
Well, there's a fundamental difference that like I said earlier, some people believe that there should be some type of cap on what a human being is able to accomplish. And to the everybody in this room, you would find that offensive because the idea that I, you know, because everybody wants to strive, right? They want to find themselves with success. But the thing is the people you're talking about have already kind of, that's not going to happen to them. So their worldview, loves company is more nihilistic and they don't see a path forward. It's also why Hollywood and everybody else has turned billionaire into a slur. Billionaire with a B means you can say tax the rich and the millionaires. Like Mark Ruffle can say, well, I'm
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A
not talking about me, right?
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C
Talking about Jeff Bezos, talking about anyone
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B
who has more money than me.
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C
Well, no, and that's even, it's even worse when you think about it.
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B
Did you notice Elizabeth Warren the other day, she didn't say the millionaires, the multi millionaires, those are the new people that we don't like.
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C
The thing is, millionaires are fine when they're talking about that too. Like the Mark Ruffalo's of society. Arguably they don't create the same level of value that Jeff Bezos does. Now you can put in, you can have a conversation about, you know, what art means to society and all that, but if we're talking about actual dollars into the economy, then it's a very different thing. And they've demonized that for a reason. All of the movies now, they don't say the wealthy, they don't say the elite. They say billionaires because it's being turned into a slur like you said Pavlovian, to put it into the brains young people. As soon as that's the enemy class.
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A
As soon as Bernie became a millionaire, he stopped saying millionaires.
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C
Yeah, millionaires and the billionaires.
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A
Millionaires and the billionaires. Now it's just the billionaires, people with
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B
more than four homes. Three homes. So three homes, that's totally fine.
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A
So the max hard working Americans have three homes. But those who have four, those are the bad guys. Like any good communist.
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D
Yes. Yeah.
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A
And we'll just lightly touch on this as we got a few minutes. Left before the super chats and all that. But the new trailer for Animal Farm came out.
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D
Yo.
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A
They edited this one intentionally to highlight as much of the, of the communist perspective as possible. Because, like, so I watched the new trailer for Animal Farm and it is a selective grappling of only the key pieces where they can say, see, look, it's criticizing communism. The whole movie did.
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C
So it's a response to your critique.
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A
Well, I don't. It's not mine. I mean, everybody critiqued it, actually. Let's, let's do it. Let's do it.
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B
Well, we were talking about this before the show, and I was saying it's so crazy to me that people have to sort of steal these famous pieces of literature and then desecrate them. And Tim, you were making the point that the point isn't to have a pro communist show. It's to sort of do well.
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A
It's to destroy the anti communist message. So you make a bad movie that's anti capitalist, but it destroys the memory. Let's, let's, let's pull this up. Let's play a little bit of this. We'll talk about Animal Farm again because I'm, I'm interested in this. Listen to this. Actually, I got to. Let's get the audio going. We all dream. Many seasons ago, we all dreamed that one day animals would be free. So I'm gonna, I'm not gonna play the trailer, but I'm gonna make a few key points as we go through this using the footage they've released to explain this. So the first thing you, you notice in the opening of the trailer is there's these guys in hazmat suits and the animals are being loaded up onto a cart.
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C
We're going on vacation.
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A
What is that? We're going on vacation. The animals are happy. Take that.
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C
Say it says Lobster House.
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A
That sounds awesome. I love to laugh.
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C
It's a slaughterhouse.
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A
We're all going to die. So now you can see the animals are attacking these guys with cattle prods in hazmat suits. The side of the truck said Slaughterhouse by Pilkington.
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D
We did it.
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A
Animals run the farm. So the first thing I want to point out, for those that know the book Animal Farm, the animals were living under a drunken farmer who neglected them, and they felt that the farm could be run better. They all discussed it and decided amongst themselves to remove the farmer from control. In this movie, the animals are happy and they think they're going on vacation. But the corporation has acquired the animals for slaughter. The animals have no choice but to have a revel a revolt against Pilkington. Otherwise they will die. Dramatically different from the critique of communism where people vote their way into a system thinking it will be better and then end up getting trapped under a boot. This is the capitalists were going to kill them and they had no choice but to fight for their survival. Freedom. Freedom. All animals are equal.
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D
What could possibly go wrong?
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A
This scene's really funny because here's a rooster stepping on what looks like a fuse in some kind of corporate concrete cityscape. Our experiment is working. All of us together.
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D
It's time to farm again.
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C
This milk ain't gonna drink itself. It's supposed to be shared.
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A
There is no supposed to anymore. This is less than yesterday or more than tomorrow. Depends on how you look at it.
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C
Move along, sheep.
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B
This is all wrong. Can you see what's happening?
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A
Our dream was becoming a nightmare.
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C
It's our farm, our home.
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A
So what do we do? We rebel. And we start right now. All animals are equal.
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C
I have to fix all of this.
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A
Some are more equal than others. Notice how in this trailer Elon Musk's mom, who is the principal villain of the whole movie, didn't even make an appearance. I think this is because Angel Studios knew that the first trailer showing Elon. I'm not joking. Elon Musk's mom.
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B
Why do you. Why is it May Musk?
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A
Because it's anti capitalist.
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B
Why wouldn't they.
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A
So her name is Frida Pilkington, but it's literally a one for one of Elon Musk's mom driving a cybertruck, literally in a cyber truck. That's. It's. It's a cyber truck with wheel wells. I just want to point out a few things. I'm not going to spoil it, but take a look at this clip from the trailer.
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B
No one knows how it ends.
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A
So you see what this thing they're on is the grain silo with the rules floating in water. And the little pig is running towards the big pig. I'm not going to explain what that is, but you know, here's a bunch of animals running from something falling from the sky. And here's a bunch of animals and what appears to be several hundred guys in hazmat suits running as we see. Let's. Oh, look at that. It looks like is a dam exploding. Indeed. Animal Farm. So again we talked about it quite a bit because the film's coming out and just because they are wearing Animal Farm like a skin suit. Andy Serkis has written an op ed for the Washington examiner saying Orwell would approve because it's a modern critique. It's a. It's a. It's a critique on the modern power infrastructure that oppresses us. I would just say this movie is not Animal Farm, not in any meaningful way. I think it's fair to say this because although this might be technically a spoiler, I don't think it's fair for Angel Studios or any company to let me say this. I'm not going to spoil plot elements from the movie and tell you what happens. This is their movie. It's their product. They want you to pay to go see it. I'm just saying I think it's not a critique of communism, It's a critique of capitalism. That being said, I do take issue with them using the name Animal Farm for a movie that is not Animal Farm.
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C
Yeah, his. His comment about he would approve of this because it's talking about the modern structure that depresses us. It just proves that Hollywood likes to take IP and use it as a science.
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A
So the reason I'm explaining this is I'm now going to say something that does reveal something about the movie without telling you the plot of the movie. But it is important so that people. Again, if I came to you and said I was selling pool water and you got something different, I would be. I think that's wrong to do the bat. There's. The windmill is not in the movie. The battle of the windmill is not in the movie. I'm sorry, the. The battle of cowshed is not in the movie. Old Major is not in the movie. A bunch of. Like, I'm going to tell you this right now. This movie is not Animal Farm. It's just literally not Animal Farm. It's something totally different that maybe has 10 to 15% of animal farm in it. That. So I'm not spoiling what happens in the movie. I'm just explaining. If you're expecting to see the story of Animal Farm in this film, you will not get that yet.
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B
I think it's so pernicious, too, that they're clearly marketing this to kids. Well, that's what I hate.
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A
Yeah. It says ages 11 and up. I would. I would also say this. While it doesn't have gore in it, there is a lot of murder. Like there. There's a little bit of that. The original Animal Farm actually is fairly brutal.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
You know, so there are some critiques that I can say that aren't spoilers because they were already revealed in the trailer from the first go around. But in the original Animal Farm, the chickens were upset because the pigs stole their eggs and then sold them off to. To traders. Traders. In the first Animal Farm trailer, the chickens are laying eggs and then handing them off intentionally. So there is something there that is relevant to the critique of capitalism, which we'll find out if you see the movie. Well, maybe when I do, when I. When I have this discussion with the Harmon Brothers, they won't care if I talk more in depth because I. I will say this. I'm being very respectful and not wanting to spoil key plot elements that they. I shouldn't say they. Because Angel Studios just bought distribution, but Andy Serkis added to the film, which is such a dramatic deviation. Again, I'll say this. In the original Animal Farm, the chickens have their eggs stolen from them. These are their children by the state who profits off them. And when the chickens complain their eggs are being stolen, they're executed. Not in the movie. So you are not getting Animal Farm, whatever this movie is.
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D
No. And to be honest with you, at least watching that, it does seem like they're. They're trying to misdirect the. The potential audience.
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A
I think the movie is about capitalism is oppressive. That. And it will kill you. And you have no choice but to fight back by any means necessary. And in the end, if you kill a bunch of people, it's acceptable because this was what must be done. That's the message of the film.
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D
Yeah.
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B
Sort of tangentially related, but I have been really alarmed. Like, in some of the new legislation, there's all these provisions. Again, I'm saying this is tangentially related. It's related to farm animals. That basically allows us to, like, be very abusive to animals and pigs in particular.
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A
Well, maybe they run Animal Farm. They think pigs are bad.
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B
So. No, anyway, anyway. But I've been kind of alarmed. I feel like I liked one photo about that. Now my algorithm is all, like, animals being abused on farms.
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C
Oh, my gosh.
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A
I will say the. I'm glad I know, though, if you know. So we're scheduling the Harmon Brothers to have a discussion about Animal Farm, which means any meaningful discussion will involve in depth discussion on what's in the movie. But I would say outside of that, come May 1st, I am gonna go and expl. Like, I'm gonna go off on this thing. I am being very nice to angel because Angel's done some good work. And just because they have some missteps doesn't mean you throw them out with the bath wall. You know what I mean, so they can have a bad movie, that's fine. We'll debate it and then they can make better movies.
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B
I mean, probably so many people are going to have seen this movie and never have read the book.
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A
And it's is indeed the point. Now, there, there, there are some people on X, they've been asking around, trying to find guild members who voted after watching the film. And the responses I've seen in X, nobody has said I watched it and liked it. They're all saying the, the few comments I saw were people saying, I was asked via, like by a message, would you want to see an adaptation of Animal Farm? And said, yes, that was it. Yeah.
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C
So they weren't given a chance to screen it ahead of time to see if it fit in with their values.
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A
It just these, these, these anecdotes on X. I don't know if it means they never, you know, presumably as a big picture.
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B
Yeah. If you've read the book.
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A
Right. Well, you know, it's gonna be Animal Farm.
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B
What is in the book?
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A
Of course.
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D
Who wouldn't want to see that on.
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A
I'm making a remake of Terminator. It's about an Easter bunny that has lost his eggs and has to go find them. And it's called Terminator because Elon Musk's mom is trying to abort the bunny eggs.
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C
Rewatch Terminator 1 and 2 over the weekend.
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A
Was it my version that I just made up?
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C
Not your version? No. Terminator 1 is still better than Terminator 2.
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D
I don't care what that's.
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A
You know, this, you know what I will say is really know about movies. It's like, I remember when Pirates of the Caribbean 2 came out and the commercials were like, it's the number one movie in America. I said, no, Pirates of the Caribbean one is the number one movie in America. And everybody went to see Part two because one was good and two sucked. And then like, don't take my word for it. Look at the Rotten Tomatoes. Look at the, the review scores when they say that first one and then they go. And then like, what was it the last one did really well. Dead Men Tell no Tales. No, no, no. That was, that was the third. Third of six, I think. And they were like, let's do a female reboot.
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C
That's still theoretically supposed to happen.
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A
No, just. No, just stop. That isn't all female Ghostbusters.
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B
They latch on to one thing that works and they're like, we're going to do this and run it into the ground.
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A
Hold on. I'M in favor of all female pirates and all female Ghostbusters. They only made one mistake with all female Ghostbusters. The boobs weren't big enough and busting out of their shirts enough. And I'm kidding. But the truth is the problem. Like, you can make a movie that will sell if the women are like, busty and hot. That's just. That's just true. You know what I mean?
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B
Like, look at the point.
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C
By 2019, Charlie's Angels didn't sell because they wouldn't sell sex with it. They sold it as anti male.
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A
Yeah. Who wants to watch that?
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C
Yeah. Like, not fun.
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A
They want to see James Bond. Like, men and women like watching James Bond. Why? Because he's a cool, confident hero. And so, guys, what is it? Women want to be with him, men want to be him, or men want to be a woman might want to be with him. But now they're like, nah, nah, make. What do they want to do? They want James Bond, a black woman.
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C
That's not actually.
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B
I don't think that's gonna happen.
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A
No. But they did talk about doing that. What was the actress's name they're thinking of getting?
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C
Lashana Lynch. Yeah, I don't think she was. That's not what happened. She showed up in the last one.
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A
Oh.
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C
As like another thought.
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A
Yes, they were gonna do that.
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C
That's.
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A
That's.
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C
That's engagement farming on X. I do
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B
think, kind of animal farming. Yeah.
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A
There are a lot of people that are mad because they discussed Idris Elba as James Bond. I think that'd be fantastic. I think he's great.
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C
Too old.
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A
Yeah. I like him. That's true. He is too old. He is too old. But most people were concerned because they're like, no. James Bond is supposed to be the quintessential Englishman. And I'm like, fair point, fair point. I'm not gonna argue with that. I just think it just a great action movie star.
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C
I tend to have, like. I have less of a problem with race swap than a lot of other people. As long as they don't turn race into a conversation about the story, which fundamentally. Well, character Harry Potter. I did a video on it today. Well, I've done like three, but yeah, like black. But that fundamentally changes not just him, but it changes everything. James Potter's motivation. It's like I was trying to explain to somebody, I said, you do not understand that to the outside world, a schoolyard bully is not looked at the same as a racist bully. Even if that racist bully is underage Right. It's looked at as a shortcoming of both your upbringing from your family.
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A
How. How about Hermione being mixed race and being called the Mud blood? There's a whole new meaning to the white blonde kid calling the mixed race girl the mud.
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C
Read an article today, I'm not even kidding you, from comic book resources that says it's a good thing they're making Snape black because it makes more sense for him to be an outcast because he's black. Where they literally said. They said, like, you can. They basic. It basically says you cannot understand what it means to truly be an outcast unless you are a minority. So they want that.
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A
There's the famous line in Harry Potter where Lily asks James why he's picking on Snape. And she says, is there something about him? He says, it's nothing about him. It's just that he exists. Which means a whole lot different when it's coming. When he's pointing out a black guy.
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C
They're also like in. Like in the first one, when Harry suspects that Snape is stolen.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And he's like, I don't know what it is about him.
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A
I just think he's a thief. Harry, why do you keep thinking that guy's trying to kill you? There's something about him.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Oh, dear.
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C
And when the. When the boggart is in the wardrobe and pops out and scares the crap out of Neville. The. The funny thing about all of that is, is, like, it's proof that J.K. rowling does literally agree with them on everything except for trans issues. Because J.K. rowling is a. Is a progressive.
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A
They should have made Snape a woman. A trans woman. There you go.
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C
Have been great.
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A
Black trans woman.
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C
You could have done that.
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A
A disabled black trans woman, lesbian.
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D
Then she would have been like, that's the ultimate magic.
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C
There's even worse stuff going on right now. So there's articles written or there's quotes coming out from the stat, like from the writers and the production designers who seem to want to speedrun. Everybody hating this one says that the. The show has been produced around the idea of naturalism, which if you look into naturalism is the idea that, you know, supernatural only exists through unit, you know, through scientific order, which.
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A
Oh, they're doing one of these.
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C
Yes. So which is why they're using all, like, earth tones and colors.
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A
Are they trying to science magic? Like, they're trying to be a lot.
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C
They're. They're so. The production designer seems to. They could just be doing word salad, but you know, under their idea, you know, that science would be able to explain magic. Is that actually what's going to show up in the show? No, probably not.
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A
So are you saying that the. It's going to be bad. Everyone is expecting it, so they're like, let's just generate the hate now.
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C
I mean, I'm going to watch it. A lot of people don't even believe that it's going to go seven seasons. Like, they don't think they'll. They'll get all of it. Also, it's not going to be every year. It's going to listen at least every couple of years.
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A
I'm going to say this right now. I am not going to. I'm. I'm a childhood Harry Potter fan. Got every book when they. The first book I was introduced to after it already came out is on paperback. Second book comes out, I bought it right away. Third book, bought it right away. Every book after that. I was a huge fan.
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C
Grew up with it, too. Like, we were in that perfect age range where you grew up as the themes of the book.
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A
I was, I think I was 21 when the seventh book came out. So I was a man. I was like, I gotta get Harry Potter. And I loved it. And the movies. I was like, man with. The first movie was 2000 or whatever. 2000, 1001. I think I was 14. And I was like, we have to go see Harry Potter. I was like, super excited for it. And I will not watch this stupidity. Like, I don't like that they're adding these racial overtones to Snape's character. Alan Rickman nailed it. I understand that there were certain parts. There's a lot of parts of the books that were omitted. Fair. But I'm. When my kid is old enough to watch movies, she's watching the original films and reading the books. She's not going to watch this HBO abomination garbage. So, you know, more power to them if they want to make it. Good luck. Part of me emotionally is like, I hope they fail for doing this, but at the same time, people can like what they like.
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C
Now Paramount is going to own Warner Brothers, so maybe they'll make it like Pro Maga and they'll make like Trump into Snape.
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A
Put Snape in a Maga hat so that you can't get mad. It's like, we made him black, but he's also a trust supporter. Sporting hat as a MAGA hat and
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C
it talks like this. Trump's voice inside the Gryffindor.
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A
Harry, you'd Be great in Slytherin. I'm telling you. You'd be the best. It's a good. It's a good house. He's like, but I didn't want to be in Southern. Well. Oh, okay, fine. Be a baby. Be a baby. Go to Gryffindor. That would be great. Someone should make that magazine.
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D
I can do it.
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A
It's Trump. That would be great. I know. I know. Someone out there can do it. Someone should make that. I need to figure out how to do that. I wonder, can see dance do that?
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D
I bet it can.
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A
Venice. Venice has Sea Dance on it right now. Let me see if I can make that.
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C
It's probably already been made. I bet you.
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A
I doubt it. No, I. I bet. Come on. It's an obvious joke. Yeah. A MAGA Sorting Hat. How do you.
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D
Where's this?
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A
I'm gonna try and figure out how to do this on Venom.
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C
Somebody can do. Like Marco Rubio realizing he's got to be Snape.
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B
Oh, that's a good one.
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A
Sea Dance two. Wait, what?
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D
Whoa.
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A
They banned Sea Dance in the United States? Yeah.
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C
You didn't see that, but it's.
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B
When?
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C
Like, very recently.
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A
Yeah, like the other day.
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C
Yeah.
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A
I was. So. So we do promos for Venice AI and I just used it last week.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Shocking.
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Yeah. Just. Thing popped up saying.
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I know.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it. It takes a lot of energy.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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To run these videos.
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Crazy. All right, everybody want to go to your Rumble rants and super chats. So smash that, like, button. Share the show with everyone you know. The uncensored portion shall be coming up at 10 o' clock at rumble.com/tim Castile. But before we do go to those Rumble rants and chats, we got a great sponsor for you. It is Ghostbed. Not all matches are the same, my friend. They're not just furniture. That's why you should check out Ghostbed. Ghostbed doesn't build mattresses like furniture.
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we don't know what entirely is in the ten point plan.
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Well, They've, they've got the general, you know, they've released the.
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Generally not. Yeah, I guess not in the last hour.
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All right. HS Disturb says IRGC is considering this a win. Seems that they were about to call his bluff and he didn't want to make good on his threats. I disagree. I think both sides want to make it look like they've won. So Trump killed all of their leadership. The IRGC can claim everything they want. Trump blew up the Ayatollah. Like, I'm sorry, there's no reality where Iran wins. It just doesn't, uh, Trump may not get the guaranteed grand slam victory of taking the control of the entirety of, of the landmass, but Trump blew up like 40 government officials. So he fried him. You know, I, I, I'll put it this way. If you get into a fight with somebody and he punches you in the face 15 times, but you threaten to kill a kid so he stops punching you, I'm not gonna call that you winning. I'm going to be like, okay, the fight's over. But man, he messed you up.
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Iran lost their senior leadership, most of their Navy, at least half of their missile launchers, thousands of security personnel, bridges and rail lines, steel and petrochemical plants, their ability to deter their nuclear infrastructure, their air defenses, and the ability to use Dubai as a sanctioned evasion hub for the possibility of charging trolls for merchant shipping on the straight Hormuz. And, and, and that makes it a failure. Failure. Right.
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B
I also think they're going to take us a lot more seriously when we, I mean, maybe we need to make a deal.
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D
Yeah, maybe, hopefully. I mean, look, this is, this is still, you know, there's, there's actual like missiles still flying. We'll see if the, if the ceasefire holds. I'm hoping that it does. I, if I understand correctly, there was a 10 point plan released, but that was BS Trump. Trump said on, on Truth Social that it was not an actual outline or anything, that they, they didn't come to that kind of agreement and that they're going to work on it over the next two weeks. So we'll see. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't try to, to predict what's going to happen, but I do want it to be over. And I do think that regardless of what anyone says, like, Iran got the absolute hell knocked out of them and they don't have the ability to intimidate the other countries in the, in the Gulf the same way they did before.
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So FJB Newsom says, who the F made that red chair? Were they drunk when they placed the buttons? Is that Ian's?
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Lol.
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The answer is China. And probably what's wrong with the buttons? They're not misaligned. It's made by a machine. I think it might just look that way because the angle of button definitely
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looks higher than that one.
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It's because it's at an angle, bro. Like, it's curved. It is a. It is a curved chair. Yeah. Not a flat back. I can see it from here. It looks pretty good to me. Yeah, I think that's an optical illusion.
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B
You're not a flat Earther, you're a flat sharer.
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Yes, that's exactly right.
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Flat chair. Lava Bear says DS9 Season 7 Episode 16 intern Arma Enem Silent Legus is the second best episode of the series, right behind in the Pale Moonlight. What Sloan says to Bashir at the end of this episode is a guy gut punch. I will also stress I just watched the episode of tng, which is why. Why am I forgetting the name of this one? I'm. I refuse to ask. It was Inner Light, which is considered to be one of the greatest episodes of television ever made. Probably one of the best episodes of Star Trek the Next Generation, if not the best. Have you ever seen it? You know which one that is? Man, it's such a. A crazy story. So they come across a star system that they're investigating that went nova. The sun went nova a thousand years ago, wiping out all life on the planets surrounding it. And a probe approaches the Enterprise and then blasts Captain Picard with a. With a beam of some sort, some kind of energy, which causes him to collapse. What's. What happens is this. This. This probe is broadcasting an experience, memories, into his mind. And he lives in the span of 25 minutes, 30 years on their planet. And he has a family and he has kids, and he learns to play the flute. And then after 30 years of living this life, they reveal to him that the probe was created because it was a. It was a civilization about on par with modern Earth that knew that they were going to all die and go extinct. So they created the probe as a way to transmit a history of their people to someone. 30 years of experience on their planet, and it's just brutally sad. And then what happens is Picard wakes up, they. The probe deactivates, they bring it in, inside of it, stored for a thousand years as a flute that they broadcast into Picard's brain. It's actually much better when you watch it because he has a family and he has kids and he has grandkids and he lives this life and then he has to watch them explain that they've died a thousand years ago. Brutal. Such a sad. It's like it captures that sadness of apocalypse, you know? Great TV show.
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Yeah. If there's an apocalypse. I don't. I don't want to be here after all these people building these bombshell. I'm like, I don't want to be the only one left.
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I got a little place.
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So you'll run towards the nuke.
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B
Yeah.
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Get vaporized. Let's. Let's grab some more from.
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Maybe not the time for a nuclear joke, but yes, it's fine.
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Nuclear Wessels.
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Something happened.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Says, Tim, I'm so pissed right now. I was so mad. Trump was going to bomb, bomb Iran, but then Trump didn't bomb Iran, but now he's weak for not bombing Iran.
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Like, what?
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It's just people that are just.
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These liberals are making fun of Trump. It's like.
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Well, it's not.
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Not just Taco. I know.
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I'm just saying, like the liberals. Haha. Like, why are you. What? What?
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Maybe taco can mean Trump always cools off that way. Yeah.
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Trump always cool.
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It is Taco Tuesday.
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Yeah.
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I'm gonna, I'm gonna tweet that. I'm gonna tag you in it.
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That's a good one. That's a great one.
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Trump always cools up.
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There you go.
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Trump always cools off.
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I mean, he did bomb one bridge. It's bombing some infrastructure. So not weak.
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No, I know.
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No, no.
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I mean, if he were weak, he wouldn't have struck in the first place.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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You know, I mean, and it was. It was a massive.
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All the liberals won Wisconsin, the Supreme Court. Oh, what liberal justice won the Supreme Court?
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Great news.
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Yep. Not going there anytime.
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They already had a liberal control, I guess. Yeah.
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All right. Jess Gibson says, longtime listener of Tim Cast reporting from NICU to continue the Tim guest baby tradition. We are so grateful to welcome our third baby boy. Does that say Coulter? Coulter Lee Gibson at just 33 weeks and 3 pounds.
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Wow.
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Well, I wish. I hope for the best. I think.
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Yeah.
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It should be good, right?
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Yeah. I mean, children, 33 weeks.
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Not too early.
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It's. Yeah, it's not, it's not like scary early, but he'll probably be in the NICU for, you know, a couple weeks.
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Yeah.
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But congratulations.
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Say a Barnes says Mom. Don. Mom. Donnie is an anagram for madman. Oh, for I madman. Mom. Donnie.
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Yep, that's funny. Yep.
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I madman.
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There you go. Perfect.
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Yeah.
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We have our last dominant determinism. That's the idea that your name determines your fate.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah.
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No, I'm going to determinism. Well, let's see.
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Just leave me alone, says Tim. I'm 61 years old. I've been watching you for eight years. I voted for Trump six times, including primaries. You pissed me off sometimes, but I still love you. I trust this president. See, that's what I'm talking about. All of these people are grifting, right? These people who are on the right who are now acting like Trump is doing everything wrong, have just exposed themselves. You're like, what did I say when Trump launched the war with Iran? I said I would not vote for this. I would not support it.
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It.
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But the effective thing to do with Trump is try and keep one hand on the steering wheel, not just spit in his face and tell him he's an idiot. If we want to actually succeed, we have to try and negotiate the people that are attacking Trump when he did this, it's like, okay, well, Trump's gonna turn on you. And now that he's done what they wanted, they're still attacking him. It shows they never were operating in good faith.
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I also do think there's so much arrogance in commenting on this. Cuz the fact of the matter is we don't have all of the intelligence, we don't have all of the briefings that he has. And I also will say, I feel like this is the new op. This is the new thing. I feel like every day there's some sort of story about some person who called in to C SPAN or someone who said on the radio that they voted for Trump three times. But somehow this is a bridge too far, right? It's like no matter what he does, oh, I supported Trump, but this I no longer support.
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I'm like, they're like, I thought he
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was guilty about the Epstein stuff, but this is just a bridge too far.
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I'm like, it's like, like there's so many people out there who, like that is their shtick sick? They call it whatever.
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I think such an op, it's also just really hard now. Like you're taking all this information in secondhand. You know, they're like, on one hand they're saying we blew up a girls school. On the other hand they're saying that they killed 40,000 protesters. Their own government killed 40,000 protesters. And then somebody says, oh, you believe that number. So what does it really matter if you don't know for a fact whether any of this happened? The sad fact of the matter is, guys, you, I. Everyone is not really programmed to care about everything that's going on everywhere in the world. You could make the argument that you care about this because it will have severe consequences for your homeland, given that your children may be sent off to war. But in general, when all you do is take in the news all day and take in nothing but bad news and the violence and the crime and the evils of the world, you weren't programmed to deal with that.
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Wasn't. Is it Mary who thinks that. That universal literacy was a bad idea?
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C
Yes. And that the printing press was the downfall of society?
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Yeah. She was saying something like, people were too stupid to understand what they were reading, and now they think they know what they're reading, but they don't, so now they're voting for dumb things.
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The Dunning Kruger effect. Like, the dumber you are, the more you think you know.
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Well, it's like there is the trope of stupid people are very confident. Smart people are very doubtful. Dunning Kruger is that people are too stupid to know they're stupid.
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Yeah.
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That's the, like, the simple way to explain it.
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Yeah.
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Stupid people are overconfident because they're not smart enough to understand why they're also like that.
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That's even more sure on Twitter because you have. You can't post like your. Oh, I think maybe this kind of sort, you have to say it with your whole chest and say, this is what's true, because otherwise nobody cares.
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Nuances.
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Yeah.
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Nuance isn't allowed on Twitter.
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When I see people on the left and the right antagonizing for World War iii, I'm just like, maybe we should have censorship. Just ban all of them. And then only. Only the enlightened few. I'm kidding, by the way. But certainly these people have explained the problems with leftist ideology. But on the right, it's that it's not even a left or right ideology. It's tribal, psychotic grifterism. It's not a left or right thing.
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But it's also like, as a matter of personal responsibility, you should want yourself and those around you to be smart enough to be able to see through that stuff.
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B
Yeah. I've been thinking so much, too, about networks. Like, the mainstream media was extremely flawed, but now I don't know if this new system with all these podcast hosts is like that.
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C
That's my. That's my Conspiracy.
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This.
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I think this is all one big opt to get everybody to just go back to the news. Like, you know what? The hell with it. I'm going back to the dude in the suit sitting behind the monitor.
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I'm just gonna trust. I agree. That's what I'm saying. She's. Candace's Pied Pipering people into psychosis. This. And I'm. You know, back in December, I met a bunch of. There were some women that I'd met their moderate libs. I was. While I was in Vegas. They weren't super political, but they loved watching Candace. Why? Blake Lively started talking about Blake Lively. And all of a sudden, women started watching. Then Bridget Macron and then Charlie Kirk. And now they're. Now this woman's going like, I think Israel's behind everything. And I'm like, you're not a political person. You don't know anything about Israel. But why are you saying this? She watches Candace. So it feels very op e to me, especially when she attacked Nick Shirley. Like, come on. Attacking Nick Shirley outright screams disinformation campaign. Nick Shirley's just a young guy who went and filmed stuff. She. She dug up an old video of his eight months ago and then claimed it was impossible that he was able to actually interview Brazilian gangs. This was. Look, if someone asked me to discredit somebody, I'd say, here's how you do it. It find something that regular people can't relate to, use that, and claim it's fake news, and use that to discredit his future works. The idea is the average person in America doesn't know what a favela is like. So you look through his footage and you say, there is no way the average person will be able to tell me I'm wrong about this. You grab that video, you show it, and then say, this is so stupid. It's fake. This is dumb. I'm so sick of dumb. You don't just go to Brazilian gangs and interview them. I'm sorry, that's literally how you find that.
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Like, I mean, that's.
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I've done it. I've done it on three occasions. So she's saying something where, if you trust her, she must be right, because it seems insane you'd walk up to a Brazilian gang member. But that's literally what you do. You. You go to the favela, you ask around and say, I'm a reporter and I wanted to see if there's any of the gang members. I want to do an interview, and they'll go, let Me ask somebody. They're not going to just murder you. They'll tell you. Nah, they said, don't. No cameras. You'll go, okay? And you'll leave. But it turns out many of these gangs want attention. They want people to know. They want to say, hey, we're the good guys here. The gangs and the favelas view themselves as de facto government. They think they're good guys maintaining peace and order where the government has abandoned them. That's the. And so they say, yes, I'll do an interview with you. So she lies about Nick Shirley to discredit him. And I'm just like, okay, there's no way this is real. Like, who. Who in their right mind turns on Nick Shirley? He didn't do anything. Yeah, we're.
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He made life difficult for a lot of people in Minnesota.
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A lot of fraudsters got real mad. A lot of Democrats got real mad.
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A lot of people mad.
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All right. Daniel Schultz says, sucks how it started, scary how it could have ended. We can be. We can be the little kid who gives the bully his lunch money to stay away or get in the bully's face and say, step up or step off. Peace through strength, not weakness. Iran blinked. That simple. I don't know that they blink so much as Trump killed, like 40 of their governmental staff stuff. Yeah.
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So, like, the US did massive damage to Iran in this campaign. Massive damage. So no matter what anyone says, Iran's ability to make war has been significantly affected. They don't have a navy anymore. Their navy now is all small boats. That's it. Any sizable air, any sizable craft that they had are all gone. They sunk a submarine with artillery. The United States sunk a submarine with an artillery shot.
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I do think. I mean, I was so aware of in January, all of the protesters who were getting slaughtered, and I was so hopeful that there would internally be regime change, that the Iranian people would be able to rise up. It doesn't seem like that's going to happen. And I kind of feel like in this day and age, with so much surveillance, is it possible to have a sort of uprising or a report?
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Countries exist only on the confidence of the people. So even with surveillance, if there's a mass ripple breaking confidence, then your country ceases to exist. So we'll see. But we're gonna go now to the uncensored portion of the show. So smash the like button. Share the show. It's gonna be@rumble.com timcast irl. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Castle. You do want to shout anything out?
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B
Follow me. Lydia Moynihan Right on.
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Perfect. Guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on X at Brett Dasovic on both of those platforms and what you should do is go check out Pop Culture Crisis. We are live Monday through Friday at 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time, which is of course noon Pacific on YouTube and rumble. And if you found our discussion tonight on Harry Potter enthralling for our YouTube channel members, I just did a full hour and 40 minute episode with blabs from side Scrollers. We got into it deep into the weeds and all the stuff going on with the new Harry Potter series on hbo. It's a lot. So you should go check it out, become a channel member and we'll see you over there. Thanks guys.
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Yeah, on that same note, if anyone can find or make a MAGA sorting hat, please do send me that on Twitter or X at Carter Banks. You can follow me there and everywhere else at Card makes official Follow our label at Trash house Records on YouTube
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and yeah Phil, I am Phil that Remains on Twix. If you want to check out some of the things I've been writing on Patreon, it's patreon.com/phil that remains. I just put up a post last night talking about the Japanese US Barbecue friendship that has exploded all over X and I kind of actually led into what that means where the the US relationship started with Japan after World War II and and goes through all of it up until today and what the new Japanese efforts to rearm and become a regional at least a regional bull work for China. So go check it out on Patreon. The band is all that Remains. We're going on tour. We start April 29th in Albany and we'll be going for all of May. You can get tickets atall that remainsonline.com if you want to check out the band's music. It's all that remains on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
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We'll see you all over@rumble.com Timcast IRL thanks for hanging out.