Trump DOJ Announces INTERVENTION In Portland Over Nick Sortor Arrest w/ Catalina Lauf

Summary

Timcast IRL – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Trump DOJ Announces INTERVENTION In Portland Over Nick Sortor Arrest w/ Catalina Lauf
Date: October 4, 2025
Host: Tim Pool (w/ Luke Rudkowski, Ian Crossland, Tate Brown)
Guest: Catalina Lauf – Congressional candidate, FL-19

---

1. Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL opens with discussions centered on major news: the Trump DOJ’s Civil Rights Division is investigating Portland Police for their response to recent Antifa violence and the controversial arrest of journalist Nick Sortor. The team examines government overreach, media bias, political violence, and the ideological struggle between left and right in America. Catalina Lauf, running for Congress in Florida, brings her perspective on law enforcement, activism, and the state of American values. The tone is fiery, combative, and deeply skeptical of legacy institutions.

---

2. Key Discussion Points & Insights

DOJ Intervention in Portland: Nick Sortor & Antifa

• Background: Conservative journalist Nick Sortor was attacked by Antifa, went to police, and was arrested himself. Meanwhile, another journalist, Katie Daviscourt, was assaulted and her attackers went uncharged.
• Federal Response:
  • DOJ Civil Rights Division, led by Assistant AG Harmeet Dhillon, launched an investigation – raising the question of bias in Portland’s policing and city policies targeting immigrants and ICE.
  • Quote: “The cops in the Pacific Northwest are communists… the police protect Antifa because they are effectively privateers for the city to attack their enemies.” – Tim Pool [07:42]
• Bias & Selective Policing:
  • The crew accuses Portland police of viewpoint discrimination, suggesting far-left activists are shielded while conservative voices are criminalized.
  • Quote: “Actions speak louder than words… The allegations implicate the City's performance under the settlement agreement…” – Tim Pool [08:25]
• Do These Investigations Have ‘Teeth’?
  • Skepticism remains; some believe it may be performative, others see it as precedent-setting under Trump’s DOJ.
  • Quote: “Finally, now that President Trump is laying down law and order… I do feel this is actually going to set a precedent…” – Catalina Lauf [12:40]

Political Violence, Media Manipulation, & Culture

• Political Violence Escalation:
  • Reference to recent assassinations (notably Charlie Kirk) and too-lenient sentencing for political attacks.
  • Quote: “He attempted to assassinate not just a sitting Supreme Court justice, but his family was threatened as well. Eight years.” – Tim Pool [29:35]
• Media & Public Perception:
  • Legacy media accused of lying or ignoring deeper stories; left-wing organizers paint themselves as anti-fascists but are labeled as “useful idiots” or intentional agitators.
  • Quote: “The people who are out on the ground at ICE don't know what ICE does… They are just devoid of thought.” – Tim Pool [15:45]
• Influencer Incentives and Political Divide:
  • Conservatives are depicted as motivated by ideals, liberals by money and celebrity.
  • Quote: “Conservatives do it for the love and for the cause and for the movement and liberals do it for the money.” – Tim Pool [18:53]

Epstein File Debate & Political Blackmail

• Should the ‘Epstein List’ Be Released?
  • Heated debate about congressional attempts (led by Thomas Massie, Ro Khanna) to release files naming high-level contacts.
  • Tim asserts Trump is blocking release to protect political allies and resources; Luke advocates for transparency regardless of fallout.
  • Quote:
    • “Trump says there’s a lot of powerful people in there who are going to get hurt by this… He wants to use that… He wants to defeat the deep state and doesn’t care how he wins.” – Tim Pool [59:53]
    • “We deserve it… exposing the predators in our society… we were promised justice…” – Luke Rudkowski [65:09]
  • Catalina Lauf’s Position: Noncommittal – agrees to defer to constituents’ wishes and see the actual bill before committing.
  • Underlying Question: Is it morally justifiable to suppress evidence for political advantage if it “saves the country” from worse actors?

Foreign Threats & ‘SIM Farm’ Scandal

• Chinese Interference:
  • Discussion of reports alleging China ran vast SIM farms in the U.S., enabling SWATting attacks and manipulation.
  • Quote: “China was not very happy with me… It’s absolutely an act of war…” – Tim Pool [71:58]
• Botnets, Psychological Warfare, and Disinformation:
  • Skepticism over attribution, mention of DHS as the source, possibility of false flags, and the broader impact of mass info-warfare.
  • “30 million texts per minute. This is industrialized psychological warfare.” – Ian Crossland [79:07]

U.S. Foreign Policy: War, Peace, and Strength

• Peace Through Strength vs. Diplomacy:
  • Catalina advocates “peace through strength,” supports Trump’s decisions (e.g., bombing Iran) as deterrence, claims war has been avoided.
  • Luke calls for less intervention, emphasizes diplomacy, and is wary of military-industrial complex spending.
  • Quote:
    • “I believe he has avoided war… It’s hard to see an entire generation that was completely misled.” – Catalina Lauf [100:38]
    • “Peace is done through diplomacy. Peace is done through negotiations.” – Luke Rudkowski [95:41]

Grifting & Booking Liberals vs. Conservatives

• Allegations: Liberals demand money to appear; conservatives don’t (for this show/event).
• Recent Example: Naima Trout, initially agreed to $500 then demanded $5,000 to appear on Culture War live debate.
• Quotes:
  • “Liberals are grifters. They don’t care about ideas. They care about money.” – Tim Pool [104:26]
  • “Speaking of liberals making money, Luke, how much are you getting paid to be here?” – Catalina Lauf [105:32]

Gender & Congressional Work-from-Home Debate

• Discussion: Should new mothers in Congress be allowed to vote remotely? Tim opposes, seeing it as “special class privilege.” Catalina defends her friend Ana Paulina Luna’s proposal as reasonable for retaining talented representatives.
• Quote: “If you want to have a baby, quit. Men don’t breastfeed… Women can be in Congress all they want, but if you have a baby… go take care of your baby.” – Tim Pool [120:30]
• Catalina’s Response: “But what if you can do both?” [120:30]

---

3. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Portland DOJ Intervention:
  “The police protect Antifa because they are effectively privateers for the city to attack their enemies.” – Tim Pool [07:42]
• On Political Violence:
  “Actions speak louder than words…” – Tim Pool [08:25]
  “For so long we have seen these groups being completely emboldened by being allowed to get away with this stuff.” – Catalina Lauf [12:40]
• On Releasing the Epstein Files:
  “This is a classic trolley problem right now.” – Tim Pool [66:08]
  “We deserve it… exposing the predators in our society…” – Luke Rudkowski [65:12]
• On Financial Motivation:
  “Conservatives do it for the love and for the cause and for the movement and liberals do it for the money.” – Tim Pool [18:53]
  “Speaking of liberals making money, Luke, how much are you getting paid to be here?” – Catalina Lauf [105:32]
• On Peace and War:
  “Peace is done through diplomacy. Peace is done through negotiation.” – Luke Rudkowski [95:41]
  “I believe he has avoided war… as a wife of a veteran… It’s devastating the impact of what that war did on an entire generation of men.” – Catalina Lauf [100:38]
• On Gender Roles in Congress:
  “If you want to have a baby, quit. Men don’t breastfeed… Women can be in Congress all they want, but if you have a baby… go take care of your baby.” – Tim Pool [120:30]

---

4. Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:38] – Main show begins, announcement of DOJ investigation into Portland.
• [07:37] – Tim reads from the DOJ/Harmeet Dhillon letter and critiques police/Antifa ties.
• [12:40] – Catalina Lauf: Discusses political violence, necessity of federal response.
• [29:35] – Tim Pool: Lax sentences for political assassinations, the message being sent.
• [59:53] – Tim Pool: Summing up Trump’s possible motives on withholding Epstein files.
• [71:58] – Explanation of China’s SIM farm and threats to U.S. infrastructure.
• [89:58+] – Heated foreign policy debate between Luke and Catalina over peace-through-strength.
• [104:26] – Tim on why liberals are less likely to appear without pay.
• [120:30] – Tim and Catalina clash over mothers in Congress and remote voting.

---

5. Original Language, Tone, & Style

The tone is passionate, combative, and skeptical. The hosts and guest use blunt, often hyperbolic language (“communists,” “grifters,” “useful idiots”). There’s a mixture of humor, sarcasm, and frustration—especially in debates over moral dilemmas and the ethics of governance. Argumentation is direct, with pushback among the hosts and repeated interruptions—a signature of the show's lively, unfiltered style.

---

Takeaways

• The episode provides a fast-paced, unfiltered debate on pressing issues: state/federal government bias, escalation of political violence, the ethics of transparency (Epstein files), foreign interference, and the integrity of American political processes.
• The ideological divide is sharp—between law-and-order and civil liberties, between national strength and anti-interventionism, and between authentic activism and perceived grifting.
• Catalina Lauf positions herself as a tough, principled but pragmatic candidate, while also defending Trump’s interests and policies.
• The show concludes with community banter and meta-discussion of participation, values, and personal motivation for engaging in the political arena.

---

This summary covers the most significant themes, exchanges, and moments for those who want the essentials from this episode of Timcast IRL.

Transcript

[Catalina Lauf]

A PSA from Instacart. It's Sunday, 5pm you had a non stop weekend. You're running on empty and so is your fridge. You're in the trenches of the Sunday scaries. You don't have it in you to go to the store, but this is your reminder. You don't have to. You can get everything you need delivered through Instacart so that you can get what you really need. More time to do whatever you want. Instacart for one less Sunday. Scary. We're here.

[Luke Radowski]

Mint is still $15 a month for premium wireless. And if you haven't made the switch.

[Ian Crossland]

Yet, here are 15 reasons why you should.

[Luke Radowski]

One, it's $15 a month. Two, seriously, it's $15 a month.

[Ian Crossland]

Three, no big contracts.

[Tim Pool]

Four, I use it. Five, my mom uses it. Are you.

[Ian Crossland]

Are you playing me off?

[Tim Pool]

That's what's happening, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, give it a try.

[Tim Pool]

@Mintmobile.Com Switch upfront payment of $45 per three month plan. $15 per month equivalent required. New customer offer for three months only. Then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra.

[Catalina Lauf]

See mintmobile.com Sam?

[Luke Radowski]

We're good.

[Tim Pool]

All right. The federal government is investigating Portland. Oh man, this is going to be huge. The DOJ Civil Rights Division is launching this investigation because Portland police arrested journalist Nick Sorter after he got attacked. However, when Katie Davis Court was attacked, beaten and left with a black eye, they did not arrest Antifa. Now, I can only just say, my friends, I've been warning for some time that the police in Portland are communists. So this is not surprising. But it's good to see the Feds are ramping things up. We'll be talking about that. We got a bunch of other news. Donald Trump's got a major Supreme Court victory allowing him to remove protected status from a ton of Venezuelan illegal immigrants. And the treasury is going to be making a Trump coin with him raising his fist by the American flag. So that'll be fun. We'll talk about that and a lot more before we get started. Oh, actually, there's one more big story. Holy crap, I can't miss this one. We actually were thinking about leading with this story. Turns out we were personally attacked by China. Yes. So the Blazes report that that SIM site, the fake cell tower network that was discovered in New York, was actually targeting, among many others, me. This is a weird story. China was not very happy with me targeting Steve Bannon, Cash Patel and others. That story is pretty massive. We'll get to that one as well. Before we get started, we got a great sponsor. My friends, it is american financing.net Tim the Fed has finally dropped interest rates and that's great news for American homeowners. Expenses have been a major burden on families. Wages are flat, prices keep climbing. And for many the only way to make ends meet is to lean on credit cards. That cycle of high interest debt makes it hard to stay ahead. If you're a homeowner, I want you to call my friends at American Financing. Right now, interest rates have dropped. Many homeowners are seeing options in low fives. Compare that to credit cards charging rates in the twenties or higher. There's an easy path to say you can finally put your hard earned equity to work for you. American Financing can help you pay off that expensive debt, free up your cash flow and keep your budget under control. Their salary based mortgage consultants are saving customers an average of 800 bucks a month. And if you get started today, you may even be able to delay your next mortgage payment. Take control. Call American financing today at 890-7811, that's 866-8907-81111 or visit americanfinancing.net Tim and then my friends, we've got one more sponsor for all you guys. It is Block Trust Ira Cryptocurrency is here to stay. Block Trust IRA is making crypto accessible to everyday Americans looking to build retirement wealth. Their white glove concierge service walks you through the entire process. No overseas call centers, just real American crypto specialists helping you invest safely. You want to go to blocktrustira.com Tim what truly sets them apart is that Block Trust IRA believes Bitcoin changed the game and now AI has changed the strategy. Their exclusive access to the award winning Animus AI tech. Recognized by Bitcoin magazine as the number one crypto platform among 1500 global competitors. This system works 24 7, executing sophisticated strategies that outperform traditional buy and hold approaches by a significant margin, minimizing risk and maximizing opportunity. With over 60 cryptocurrencies to choose from and military grade security protection for your investments and $200 million in insurance, you can diversify with complete peace of mind. Whether you're rolling over an IRA 401k or just getting started in crypto, Block Trust IRA has you covered for a limited time. Get up to $2,500 in free bonus crypto when you open an account again. Blocktrustira.com Tim don't forget, invest responsibly. Make sure you're making the right decisions for yourself and also smash that, like, button right now. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Catalina Lauf.

[Catalina Lauf]

Hey, guys.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Catalina Lauf]

I am Catalina Lauf. I'm running for Congress and Florida, Florida's 19th district, encompassing parts of Fort Myers, Cape Coral, Naples, Bonita Springs, Estero. I'm really happy to be here.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. We got Luke hanging out.

[Luke Radowski]

Hey, guys. Luke Radowski. YouTube.com wearchanged Lots of crazy stuff happening right now. UAPs just shut down the Munich airport. Wait, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A bunch of crazy stuff happening in Europe with what I believe to be probably interdimensional beings. Maybe, but we could go over it in the show. Trump just told Israel to stop bombing Gaza. So far they haven't. So hopefully we'll talk about that and a lot more. If you like to trigger the fats, you can with the shirt that I'm wearing right now on thebestpoliticalshirts.com too. Thank you.

[Ian Crossland]

Trigger the fats. That's my cue. Hi, everyone. Get healthy, eat healthy. Cut out the seed oils. Eat coconut oil, olive oil, and what's the other one?

[Luke Radowski]

Avocado oil.

[Ian Crossland]

Those are your fruit oils that you want to use. Happy to be here. And we also this maniac to my right, Mr. Tate Brown.

[Tate Brown]

What's up, patriots? Tate Brown here. Pro beef tallow. I'm all, I'm a tallow head. So happy to be here.

[Luke Radowski]

A towel head, huh? Interesting word.

[Tate Brown]

So, sleight of hand.

[Tim Pool]

Anyway, let's talk about the news. We've got this story from the Post Millennial doj Civil Rights Division investigates Portland police over response to antifa attack on Katie Davis court and the arrest of Nick Sorter. For those that missed this, many of you may be aware that Katie Davis Court, a reporter for the Post Millennial, was bashed in the head, giving her a black eye just last night or early this morning, depending on where you live. Nick Sorter, a conservative journalist, had been attacked by antifa. And when he went to the police to report the crime, they arrested him. I said it before, I said it this morning. I'm going to say it now. The cops in the Pacific Northwest are communists. I'm saying that somewhat to be a dick. They are far leftists. They are aligned with the left. They protect Antifa. Antifa are there under the protection of the police. That is why when Katie was attacked, they did not arrest them. That is why when Nick Sorter got attacked, they arrested him. Now you can make any argument in the world you want. Actions speak louder than words. But the big news is. Check this out. Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Army Dylan has launched an investigation into the assault of Katie Davis Court and the arrest of Nick Sorter. I believe we actually have. We have this tweet from Harmeet Dylan saying, Portland, it's fo time. Buckle up. And then we have this letter published by Harmeet Dillon saying Portland signed, sealed and delivered. I'll just read some of this. It says, Dear Mr. Taylor in Chief Day, your immediate attention to this matter is required. We are writing regarding Portland Police Bureau's response to incidents surrounding the ICE facility in Portland and specifically the City of Portland's use of its policing powers in a manner that may be based on viewpoint discrimination. Specifically, three issues have been brought to our attention. PPB reportedly arrested individuals who may have been involved in an altercation, choosing to arrest Nick Sorter but not others. PPB reportedly failed to identify or arrest individuals who allegedly assaulted Katie Davis Court even after briefly detaining the individuals. And the City of Portland reportedly has attempted to use its policing powers through a zoning enforcement action to limit ICE's use of its Portland facility. She goes on to say, while we have not reached any conclusions on these allegations, we note a consistent theme in these. In these three allegations, all three would choose one viewpoint over another. Moreover, the allegations implicate the City's performance under the settlement agreement in the above referenced case. They go to mention Harmeet Dillon mentions more. To address our compliance concerns raised by these allegations, we request the following by no later than October 10th the original unredacted BWC recording of the officer body worn camera involved in the arrest of Nick Sorter. The body worn camera of the incident involving Ms. Davis Court. All unredacted incident reports for Ms. Sorter and Ms. David Court. All complaints received about the incidents involving Mr. Swarter and Ms. David Court, Ms. Davis Court or the decision to target the ICE facility for zoning enforcement. All non attorney, non attorney client privilege communications regarding their decisions. All non attorney client privilege communications regarding directions to PPB responding to those protests and any any documents or explanation the City wants to provide to the US in response to the above listed allegations. Now it sounds fun, but do y' all think this actually has teeth or it's just talk?

[Ian Crossland]

Drew Hernandez pointed out that she misspelled Nick's name. She spelled it Sorter with S O R T E R in the first frame for sure.

[Tim Pool]

I don't.

[Ian Crossland]

I didn't read through all of it at the bottom there, you'll see his name spelled an E. I don't know if that makes. She has to reissue this.

[Tim Pool]

It's just a. I don't think so.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, and I don't know that it really matters.

[Tim Pool]

A harmless error, right?

[Ian Crossland]

It's obvious that she's talking about Nick and what happened. The thing is, the police's job is to keep the peace. So at the microcosm they're like, well, the reporter is the one that's poking the bear. So let's calm down, let's take the reporter away and everything will be calm. But you have to zoom out and look at Portland in general and that these groups that may be organized and maybe somewhat peaceful and their pretension to destroy might actually be the chaotic thing. And the reporters that are there might. It's more that Antifa is poking the United States bear as opposed to the reporter poking Antifa's bear. And the federal government getting involved, I think shows that we have cameras now, we have Internet. They can't do this stuff in seclusion anymore and just. And hide it.

[Luke Radowski]

I mean, we're in America. People have a right to their opinions. And I don't care if he's poking in the bear or not. I don't care what his opinions are. He has a right to report from there. The police officers, if they were doing their job, they should have intervened right away when people were attacking him, not wait after the fact to arrest all the parties. I heard that other people were arrested here as well, so I don't know if that is true with what Harmeet Dhillon is saying, but obviously, clearly we've been talking about this for the last few days. This has always been going on. People get attacked, you defend yourself because. Because I think Nick admitted to trying to swing back as well. And then you get arrested for disorderly conduct, which is ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

Nick tweeted the night before that if he gets attacked and defends himself, he'll be arrested.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So he knew they'd target him for self defense. See, what people need to understand is that Antifa is a sanctioned division within the government. And I mean that not in the hard, literal sense like you're going to go to the government, find documentation of it. But the police protect Antifa because they were effectively privateers for the city to attack their enemies. The Portland police work for the liberal government, which does not want ICE operating. They have a vested interest in protecting criminals. How do they get rid of ice? How do they obstruct ice? Well, they can't Order police to do it. So what happens is through circuitous means, they allow Antifa protect Antifa and then say, well, you know, there's nothing we can do about it. Then when Antifa attacks Nick, they arrest Nick.

[Ian Crossland]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

Because he's interfering with a government operation. What about Katie Davis? Court gets attacked. They don't arrest anybody because those people are allies of the police. This has been true for probably five years. We watched this when they did the Chaz Chop. There was one video where a guy got attacked by Antifa and he was backing away with his hands up. Cops pull up behind him, jump out of a vehicle and grab him and are arrest him and then apologize to Antifa. And that was in Seattle. We know this is what's happening. The feds need to go in. So I hope this has real teeth.

[Catalina Lauf]

I think it does because for so long we have seen these groups being completely emboldened by being allowed to get away with this stuff. Everybody turns a blind eye, especially under Democratic administrations. Finally, now that President Trump is laying down law and order and defending rightfully so conservative voices, I really believe this is a. I don't want to say, I do feel that this is actually going to set precedent to future moments of this because it has to stop. I mean, it's unbelievable.

[Omaha Steaks Advertiser]

The holidays can get hectic and having Omaha Steaks in my freezer has been a total game changer. I recently cooked up their filet mignons. Incredibly tender, juicy and packed with flavor. From weeknight dinners to holiday hosting, Omaha Steaks makes it easy. Right now, during their early Black Friday sale, get 50% off site wide plus an extra 20% off select favorites. Save big with Omaha Steaks. Visit Omaha Steaks.com for 50% off site wide and an extra 20% off select favorites during their early Black Friday sale. And for an extra $35 off, use promo code flavor at checkout term supply. See site for details. That's 50% off at Omaha steaks.com promo code flavor@ checkout.

[Catalina Lauf]

The violence that has been being caused against people who are like Nick, just trying to spread facts. Thank God for social media because look at the video. Had we not had that, had we not even had evidence, none of this would even be talked about. And thank God for the movement because think about everybody who came up to his defense that even it even got to the eyes of the ag.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel like Antifa needs what I would call a reality check. And this is actually could be a good thing for the movement of people that are actually anti fascist. The United States government is not fascist in the sense of Giovanni Gentile's fascism. It was like a. It was like a political. It was like a spiritual, religious movement of like, we are all one, we are all individuals, but we are also all connected. We are all one. And the state is the manifestation of that. And so we are all. The state speaks for us. The state is the greatest force of all of us. And it became this religious zeitgeist in Italy that Mussolini then took and he made Gentile his, you know, minister.

[Tim Pool]

Your point?

[Ian Crossland]

So my point is, if we don't have a country like that, that's not.

[Tim Pool]

How our country works.

[Ian Crossland]

People don't have religious. I mean, now you can see people. It might spark up. People are like, good, govern me harder, Daddy. Give me the feds, give me the feds. That can be. That can lead to fascism, but in the meantime, we're more of a corporatocracy.

[Tim Pool]

This conversation, and I don't mean this to sound disrespectful, but the things you're saying are 2018 people.

[Luke Radowski]

They need to hear it though.

[Ian Crossland]

People that are antifa and they think they're actually challenging fascism.

[Tim Pool]

Again. Again, that's why I'm saying this conversation is 2018. These people don't think they're antifa. They do not believe they are fighting fascism. They are either completely devoid of any thought at all or they are intentionally lying for the purpose of fomenting violence.

[Ian Crossland]

Last night you talked about the green shirts, the yellow shirts and the red shirts. Indeed, in antifa, I think the green shirts truly believe they're fighting fascism and don't know what fascism does.

[Catalina Lauf]

Who's paying attention?

[Tim Pool]

This is the point. The point is they don't know what fascism, communism, anti fascism is. They don't know what antifa is. They've never heard of these things and they are just there because someone invited them to come down and they don't know anything.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm speaking to those people.

[Tim Pool]

This is a very, very important distinction. And this is 2025. The conversation has advanced. There was a. Joe Rogan mentioned this and I had this critique throughout the week that he said these people really thought that Charlie was a bad guy and that they were good people. Joe is incorrect in that assessment. The reason why the lies about Charlie were able to work on the left is because the left never heard of him before. So another good example is I'm walking around the city today and I get recognized all the time and I've got security. We'll keep it at that. And in these conversations, one points out, he'd say, oh, you know, people seem to notice that whenever someone comes up to me, they're a fan. That's right, because in the actual political space, the people who are apprised of politics know what they're talking about, see me and say, I know who you are. You are Tim Pool. I'm a fan. Liberals see me and don't know anything. So the instances where I encounter someone who doesn't like me are exceedingly rare in public because the average liberal has no idea what is going on in politics, and you need only look at politics. You know who's a great follow when he unlocks his account is Jess Margera. Steve Bannon talks about how you got to watch MSNBC so you know what they're thinking. And he's right. I like to follow Jess Marger. He's Bam Margera's brother. But he locks his account from time to time and he makes posts where you're like, okay, I see how they're thinking. They've not even Google searched this. The example being the reason for this shutdown. Very simple. If you turn on msnbc, they're gonna have Democrats going, we are like Schumer. Or some Democrat will go, there is no health care benefits for illegal immigrants. We are not requesting it. We are not offering it. There, I said it. Case closed. And the liberals go, well, there it is. Why are Republicans lying? If they actually were telling liberals the truth, they'd say, and the reason is because we deem that anybody who enters the country illegally and then makes an assertion of legal status, we pause and say, this is now legally permitted. So the Democrats don't actually tell liberals what's going on. They just lie to them. That's the important thing. The people who are out on the ground at ICE don't know what ICE does, don't know what CBP is. If you went to these people and said, what does ICE stand for? They'd say, get out of here. If you said, what does CBP stand for? If you said, what is uscis? They'd go, huh? That's the point. They're not fighting fascists. They are just devoid of thought. The people who organize these rallies and the liberal high priests who communicate and rally them online, no, they are lying intentionally. Like Hasan Piker posing in front of what kind of car did he buy? He bought like a Maserati or something. Like, come on, dude, this guy lives in a mansion. He's not an anti capitalist. He's a grifter. That's the point. All these people are lying.

[Ian Crossland]

Liberal media. Yeah, and it's. The liberal media has been lying to us the entire time since 1949. It's only when Trump came along and he sort of kind of red pilled people intentionally or not, and a generation of 15 year olds was like, this guy's speaking the truth.

[Tim Pool]

At least I would argue that many of them are useful idiots to an extent. There are some revolutionaries. But when you take a look at the. Here's a story for you guys. We had Naima Trout scheduled, confirmed for the culture war live. When we reach out to people for this debate, hey, we want liberals, we want conservatives. Liberals always say, here's my fee because they don't care about a cause making the country better. Their whole job is. Their whole life is. Here's how many followers I have. Here's how much money I am owed for this appearance. That's why, if you notice, I'll keep some names out of this. But some of these bigger podcasts which seem to get prominent liberals on their shows, pay them. And then you'll find that these prominent liberals who are now being paid by these other podcasters, change their opinions. It's pretty obvious when we book conservatives, actually, we barely have to try. They're knocking on the door nonstop. Everyone knows this. Bill Maher talked about it. We booked Naima Trout and she said, I want money. And we said, we lose money doing these events. This is really just about having the debate. We understand though, it's a live event, so we can offer you $500 as a fee. Her, her team agreed to it and said, okay, we accept. We'll cover your travel accommodation and give you 500 cash. Nobody else is getting paid. They emailed us yesterday saying, we want $5,000. Can you do that? And we said, no, we can't. We lose money doing this. And you know what part of me says I get it? They're claiming like, she got another offer, it's gonna pay her a lot of money and she has to take it. Totally fine. Who am I to tell you not to take that money? But conservatives do it for the love and for the cause and for the movement and liberals do it for the money. So in terms of these people on the ground that are being antagonized by peop. I said that figuratively. Who are being riled up by the likes of Hasan or the Krasnsteins. The only reason Hasan is saying the things that he says is so that he gets more clicks and makes more money. And it's evidenced in the fact that he has no consistent logic behind what he says. These people on the ground are attacking Nick Sorter not because he's Nick Sorter. They don't know who Nick Sorter is. They wouldn't know if he was a fascist or anything. All they know is they were told, bad guy hit bad guy. There's nothing you can say to them. I asked you this yesterday, Ian. I'll ask you again. If you were standing on the gallows with one of these guys standing behind you, could you say anything that would change their mind about them about to hang you?

[Ian Crossland]

Technically, yes, but good luck.

[Tim Pool]

Literally no.

[Ian Crossland]

Say, in the heat of the moment.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, winning the lottery, we get it. But the point is, nothing you say would make them change their mind because they don't even know who you are.

[Ian Crossland]

Literally nothing. It's not literally nothing.

[Luke Radowski]

Well, a lot of them are mentally ill, not just totally ignorant. I mean, we know this from personal experiences. When me and Tim were out in Germany during the biggest antifa meeting ever in history recorded, and they took a picture of us standing next to somebody.

[Tim Pool]

We were all walking, and it was like, you, me and Max, I think his name was.

[Luke Radowski]

Yes, Max and Marcus.

[Tim Pool]

And then Lauren Southern was in the background walking a different direction. And that was enough to where they said, anyone in this photograph must be beaten.

[Luke Radowski]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Whether you were with Lauren or not. And so they ended up beating like, this is. I want to make. I want to make sure this is very, very clear for everybody. Sorry for interrupting you, Loop. But Marcus and Lauren Southern don't know each other.

[Luke Radowski]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And they attacked Marcus and tried stealing his camera because he was seen in the foreground of a photo. He was walking forward by himself. She was in the background walking this the other direction. So they attacked him.

[Ian Crossland]

You know what's.

[Luke Radowski]

And Marcus was an international journalist. He worked for, like, so was Max. Max was working for the German mainstream media. And they still decided to single them out, beat the crap out of them. Max had to have knee surgery afterwards because they kept stomping him. Luckily, I was able to get away with a few lumps, but still, it wasn't a pleasant scenario where they were literally following us throughout the entire city and then following us home as well.

[Tim Pool]

Let me tell you how creepy these people are. Okay, so when Lauren Southern was getting threatened and we were like, maybe we should leave, I said, I'm gonna go. I'm done here. Like, I don't want to stick around. It's getting dicey. I'll go back With Lauren. Make sure she makes it back to the. To the apartment, to the. To the airport.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah, she's being hard headed. She was like, I'm not gonna leave her. I'm keep recording. I'm like, what are you doing? Like, what are you doing, you insane woman?

[Tim Pool]

And I was like, I'm leaving. You can come. Let's go. When we were leaving, people were tweeting our location as we walked through various neighborhoods. So we're in a side street in Hamburg, Germany, not anywhere near any businesses or anything, and we see two people ride past on bikes, the only people we saw. And they look at us and turn their head like this at us as they go by. And I'm like, that was weird. Next thing we know, following the hashtag on Twitter, sighting Lauren Southern scene at this intersection. I went, holy crap, let's go. So we went to a restaurant and we were like, let's just wait out inside. They were regular people walking down the street, seeing us and then tweeting it. That's how psychotic these Stepford Wife cultists are in Germany.

[Luke Radowski]

And then they shut down the train systems by blocking all the railroads. Then they were shutting down the airport. Then they were literally marching around just burning cars and stores as they pleased, as police officers literally were just like, yeah, we're not going to do anything here. That's the type of scenario that we were in as we were literally waiting inside of our Airbnb trying to figure out if they figured out our location or not. Because help wasn't coming, you know, the police wasn't going to help you.

[Ian Crossland]

The reason I would only make an appeal to people, the green shirts, the people that don't know on a show like this is because there's something different about when you're in the wisdom of a crowd. When you're in a crowd. I would never make an appeal to a crowd. It's useless. They have mob mentality. But individuals that catch a clip on the news might hear something and be like, I'm not going to the next rally battery. Sorry if the screen's green. Not.

[Catalina Lauf]

Sorry, Tim, I was going to ask you.

[Ian Crossland]

Scoot on in.

[Tim Pool]

T bone.

[Catalina Lauf]

To your point, though, about liberals, especially antifa types, being motivated by cash, how many of those people do you think are paid activists? Because I do feel that so much of this. Are there real. Is this actually not. It's not organic as the. The left tries to paint it out. Well, they're actually getting paid.

[Tim Pool]

Define organic. I mean, are people stupid? Stupid people could be hired to do A lot of jobs, so.

[Catalina Lauf]

And who's paying them?

[Tim Pool]

Simple answer. George Soros.

[Catalina Lauf]

Yeah. Let's get down to the bottom of.

[Tim Pool]

The money they're investigating. So the way it works is the. Was it the Open Society Foundation? They make contributions to a bunch of NGOs. That's it. What those NGOs do is it's different. So what ends up happening is when you want to simplify it for a conservative, and you say, George Soros is providing a lot of the funding, not all of it, but a piece of IT, to various NGOs, which finds its way into the hands of these protesters. The left then says, because this doesn't actually help inform the average person. Because then what you end up hearing is like, on the ground during Occupy, people going, I wish I was getting a Soros check. Because, you know, Hannity and Fox News are saying Soros was paying these protesters. What actually happens is during Occupy Wall street, there was a guy, a facilitator. We call these. We were talking about this yesterday. The yellow. There's green, yellow and red. Yellow organized. They could be targeted. People find out who they are. Red engage in violence. And the green are the doofs. They trick into coming by claiming that Radiohead is going to play at Zuccotti Park.

[Catalina Lauf]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

They literally did this. They said Radiohead was doing a free show. It was Radiohead, right, Luke?

[Luke Radowski]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Radiohead was doing a free show at occupy Wall Street. 2,000 people showed up. And then the yellow. They said, mike check. Everyone knows mike check before Radiohead. We're going to teach you guys about Occupy and then use that as an opportunity to indoctrinate. Once they were done, they said, unfortunately, Radiohead's not coming. Tricked everybody to get there. So what happened? So these people, they're paid to be there. How?

[Catalina Lauf]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

No one says to them, go down and organize Occupy. What happens is they work for a nonprofit that receives funding from a variety of sources. Some of it, probably USAID, like USAID, will give money to various NGOs and foundations, will give money to them. They could be environmental nonprofits. The boss, the director of that office will say to the guy, you know what, man? Why don't you take the day off? You wanted to go hang out at Occupy Wall street, right? They sure could use an organizer. Take the day off on me. They go down there, and they're supposed to be working a salaried position for the nonprofit. They're still getting paid, but now they're organizing these protests, creating flyers and getting people to show up. And it's not really, but money is fungible. So when they say take the day off, so long as you're organizing Occupy Wall Street, I'm okay with that. They're getting paid to be there. Regular people, people on the right can't quit their jobs and go do this stuff.

[Catalina Lauf]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

That's why I see guys like Tim and Luke. I mean you've been dealing with these freaks for well over a decade now and I see this and then you compare that and contrast that with sort of the commentary class on the right over the last 10 to 15 years and they're just convinced they can principle their way out of this. Just my principles and YouTube specifically, I mean have been sounding the alarm on political violence now for a really long time saying nope, it's, it's here, it's, It's.

[Luke Radowski]

Who has YouTube?

[Tate Brown]

No, you guys.

[Tim Pool]

Oh you guys.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

So it's like you guys have been sounding alarm like this is prevalent on the left and yeah, you know, you.

[Tim Pool]

Know what really bothers me is that no matter how many times I've said over the past few years like okay, to be fair, obviously the people watch this show agree with me to a great deal. Not on everything. But I kept pointing out back 2018, these cops are communists. They the chief of police is appointed by a Democrat. The democrats don't like you. And so we've learned this hard lesson when proud boys were sentenced to prison for four years after antifa attacked them. And this is not the first time we have seen the police target the innocent and let the criminals go. It happens on a daily basis. I keep hearing from conservatives even recently saying it's not the cops fault Tim, it's the DA's who let him go. Maybe now those naysayers watching Nick Sorter get arrested after they attacked him and Katie Davis court got attacked and they would not arrest Antifa. They maybe now you're like oh Tim was right the whole time. Communists can get hired as cops all the same. The Soviet Union had had police, okay. All of the communist countries, China has police and they are commies.

[Catalina Lauf]

To your point, what's sad about all this political violence is that this was laid out as early as the 70s and it, it's crazy that it has taken our side so long to a recognize what they're capable of. The stuff has been laid out in Solinsky's books. They've been laid out in the Weather Underground. If you knew who those guys were. And this stuff is just recycled. Except now on a mass scale I think. And it's just like those. The print, those that was. We've known about this. And why has it gotten this bad? And whose fault is it that it has been emboldened? And I think it's because the culture has changed significantly.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I can give you a reason. Let's jump to this story from the Hill. Kavanaugh's attempted assassin sentenced to eight years in prison. That's it. He attempted to assassinate not just a sitting Supreme Court justice, but his family was threatened as well. Eight years. I mean, that's pretty wild. So the message being sent with the assassination of Luigi Maggione. I'm sorry, the assassination, allegedly by Luigi Maggione of Brian Thompson, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and the attempt on Kavanaugh's life is that you're gonna get a slap on the wrist. You are going to be venerated and praised. So just a moment ago, you were mentioning the culture that brought us to this point. You've got a variety of factors at play. One, these liberal judges live in a liberal world, and they want people on the right assassinated. Come on. I'm not playing stupid games anymore. When they say to this guy, you're free to go, okay, it's not literally eight years in prison, but for attempting to kill a sitting Supreme Court justice. That's insane. There are people who are in prison longer than that for marijuana, just having.

[Luke Radowski]

Pot, and with good behavior, it might be just four years.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah. So this judge, Deborah Broadman, she's actually a Biden appointee. Indeed she is. And she stated how she considered the fact that the suspect now identifies as a woman as a reason to lower the sentence. And he might even be in a woman's prison, which would be absolutely ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

People need to understand what time it is.

[Catalina Lauf]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We have two distinct identities in the United States. The Democrats occupy the multicultural democracy, and everyone else occupies the constitutional republic, even Default Libs. Our constitutional republic. People just don't know it. So they end up marching in lockstep with these. This weird cult.

[Ian Crossland]

Sometimes. A lot of them don't, though.

[Tim Pool]

Well, as of recently, there, there has been a sharp bifurcation with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Many entrenched themselves solidifying their position in the cult, and many others broke away. And I predicted this. I could be wrong, because now there's data to this. But basically, what I'm seeing is what I expected to happen. That is, many Default Libs were shocked by the killing and are. And are scared by it. And so there have been prominent individuals who have been speaking out in Support of Turning Point and for Charlie, despite being what you'd consider default libs, they don't pay attention to politics. So I'm talking about celebrities, athletes and otherwise. However, a decent amount of these people have gone hard at celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. So my view is, and my prediction for the next year is another. I think there's going to be a terror attack or a major assassination within the next year. And the reason is exactly this. The right coalition has just expanded by double digits because of the assassination of Charlie Kirk scaring people. But default libs, many of them entrenched themselves in the left cult. So I'd look at it like maybe 50% are leaning right with a decent boost and now you've got 30 some odd percent in the left camp boosting their numbers from what was actually like 10% a decade ago to like 20 in the past several years. These people have basically entrenched themselves in the woke ideology, cult, whatever you want to call it. That means they are going to believe there's fascists taking over. They are going to believe, like Gavin Newsom said, there will not be an election in 2028 and they are not going to accept Republicans winning. With the killing of Charlie Kirk pushing a little bit of support towards the right because it certainly didn't go the other way. The Republicans probably have an edge to win in many new locations. Potentially in New Jersey, maybe not. I'd estimate there's a strong probability that they actually survive the midterms to be shocking because usually it goes the other way. If the Democrats are looking like they are going to lose in just shy of a year's time, I believe that the entrenched large size of this cult is going to get extremely violent.

[Ian Crossland]

Dude, I'm concerned about false flags, like a foreign operative making it look like they're part of this liberal culture, whatever and doing another assassination attempt or because.

[Tim Pool]

It'Ll break the country.

[Luke Radowski]

Right? I mean if you look at the first civil war in America, there was other countries that were involved in it. If there's going to be another civil war, you could bet your bottom dollar. China, Russia, Iran, North Korea. Sorry. When, you know, when the inevitable happens, I think we're in a non kinetic type of war and we see that when people doubled down after the assassination of Charlie Kirk to today I made a video and I said it was non kinetic. Yeah, yeah, non kinetic. I would argue that it wasn't just the assassination of Charlie, but the response to it that really kind of woke people up to just how close we are to bedlam and utter chaos in our society. And I think it really kind of ripped off the face and the mask of the establishment, and now people are finally seeing it to be as horrendous as it is. So this is a make or break moment for America. That is going to be a key deciding factor to see where we're going from here. But all signs point to more trouble.

[Tim Pool]

I don't. I don't see a path away from this, because the way I look at it, there. There are a lot of people that watch this show and watch my morning show, and I'm not right about everything. I'm wrong about a lot. But the predictions that I have made have been. Let's just. Let's just say it, vaguely correct, right? So the example that I often give is In September of 2020, I said, if Trump loses in November, his supporters are gonna storm the White House. They're gonna bust it down. They are not going to accept this. I was told that I was crazy, paranoid, et cetera. November came and went. Nothing happened. And liberals made videos saying, Tim Pool's crazy. He's a conspiracy theorist. Then January 6th happened. These same liberals made videos saying Tim Pool had foreknowledge of January 6th. They couldn't accept that. No, I just saw the temperature and saw what was going to happen.

[Ian Crossland]

I wonder if the FBI watched your video and they're like, all right, let's use this projection to do it.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. The point is this.

[Catalina Lauf]

That's sick. What happened?

[Tim Pool]

There is a river all around us. We are not the biggest show in the world, nor do we reach the most people. And while many people watch the show for a long time have probably been saying, I think Tim is actually right about the path that we're on. Convincing you guys doesn't change the direction of the river. So right now, where we're at is we are cognizant of what is happening. We have been cognizant of it for seven years, and there's little we can do to stop it.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, there's sort of.

[Tim Pool]

And the point is this. Dana White gave an interview where he said, I don't like, cancel culture. People shouldn't lose their jobs for what they're saying about Charlie Kirk. That is the perfect example of why nothing will stop this now. Maybe I'm wrong. I say I'm vaguely correct. Obviously, nobody stormed the White House in November, but you get how I was kind of close to it. Dana White gave us a great example of prominent moderate individuals who support Trump do not understand what they are supporting. When Dana White says we should allow people to celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kirk, he is saying, I'm not really involved in politics. I'm for free speech. A society where its most prominent business magnates and personalities defend the right to celebrate assassinations is a society headed down the path of Rwanda, which is exactly what happened when people would go on the radio and on the TV and say other. I think it was the Tutsis, right? The other tribe are a bunch of demonic evil, and they got to be purged and killed and mocking them and laughing. And then finally one day people woke up and said, okay, we're doing it, and started massacring the other tribe. We have opened the door to civil war because we celebrated. I don't say we, but this country defended the right of people to go on social media and go on TV and. And defend the assassination of Brian Thompson. Less than a year later, Charlie Crook was assassinated, and the left is still celebrating it, sending the message that if you are a liberal and you try to kill somebody, worst case scenario, you'll get a slap on the wrist. Eight years, maybe, if you're caught. If you are and you go to jail, they will make sainthood candles for you. They will celebrate you and praise you. We recently saw a comedy show at a university where in their thank you at the portion at the end, it said, charlie Kirk's killer. So when Dana White says, this must be allowed, cancel culture is bad. He has said, green light for 50 million people in this country to create an economy based on murdering your political opponents.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I mean, it's like, you want to irrigate a canal. He's like, just open the damn floodgates. We need the water in the canal. Like, bro, there's a way to irrigate the canal. Obviously, we need free speech, but you also have to be just about how you allow society to warp people's minds. Like, but here's the thing about prediction, and I think a lot about, are we predicting the future or are we creating the future? Like, if. If I go on TV and say there's going to be a party on Friday at that place, and then all these people here and they're like, oh. And then they all show up. I just manifest at a party. I didn't even. So if you say there's going to be a civil war, people are like, oh, oh. And then they all show up.

[Tim Pool]

Except for the fact that the entire time, people have been largely laughing and saying, it's Never going to happen.

[Ian Crossland]

I just, There is a, there is a nuance between telling people, get ready and get, be prepared and be there. It's sort of.

[Tim Pool]

So there's like a fine line.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, you don't want to be fake and you don't want to say everything's fine.

[Tim Pool]

The people who are watching the show are not going out in the streets with guns and assassinating people, but other.

[Ian Crossland]

People that might be afraid of you. You know, people that hear you and they're like, really? He thinks, okay, I'm ready.

[Catalina Lauf]

Like I will say from the political side of things that, yes, it does. In a way, it does embolden people when they get a slap on their ass. At the same time, though, I do believe that it wakes up a lot of people who have been silent. There is a sleeping giant in this country. We saw it in this last election. I believe that people finally got involved. And as you know, a candidate and things like that, we get. Sometimes it's like you want people to be able to get involved into the process because so many people are not. But now because of everything that's been going on, all the hate that's happening, reasonably minded people on both sides of the aisle look at this. I think there are a lot of reasonable Democrats that look at the assassination on Charlie Kirk and horrific things that happened to conservatives. I think, I wanna believe, and I truly believe and the data does show that people are waking up and there is still this sense of Americanism that, whoa, whoa, this is not how who we are as Americans, we are not the people of Rwanda. This is. We have values and virtue in this country. And I do believe that we are seeing the change because so many people are getting involved in the political process. You know, I just.

[Omaha Steaks Advertiser]

The holidays can get hectic and having Omaha Steaks in my freezer has been a total game changer. I recently cooked up their filet mignons. Incredibly tender, juicy and packed with flavor. From weeknight dinners to holiday hosting, Omaha Steaks makes it easy. Right now during their early Black Friday sale, get free 50% off site wide plus an extra 20% off select favorites. Save big with Omaha Steaks. Visit OmahaSteaks.com for 50% off site wide and an extra 20% off select favorites during their early Black Friday sale. And for an extra $35 off, use promo code Flavor at checkout term supply. See site for details. That's 50% off at Omaha steaks.com promo code flavor at checkout.

[Catalina Lauf]

Maybe anecdotally, but I get messages all the Time that are like, hey, look, I'm sick of sitting on the sidelines. I want to help out. I want to get involved. I want to run for office. I'm not afraid to speak out anymore. And so I think for every time that we are, we're living through these really rough times. We do all have a choice, though, of what our country. What do we want the country to look like? This is still our country at the end of the day, and there is still a lot of Americanism there that I think is the guiding light to the future.

[Luke Radowski]

Do you think there's an off ramp? And what's the off ramp to the kind of collision course that we are in now?

[Catalina Lauf]

I think I'm more. Maybe I'm an idealist. I'm a little bit more optimistic. I do. Look, our country has gone through so many more hard times. You look at the Civil War, you look at World War II. Yes, we have lived in our own Gilded Age. In a sense, we're now seeing chaos and all of that. However, our country has survived tremendous trials, and how we survived them were moments like this where we all did come together and we did revive of what it meant, the revival of what it meant to be an American. And I do believe, I still believe that everybody, even on our worst day, we are still the greatest country in the world, and we will turn this around. But it takes everybody to get involved. It takes people to. To stop sipping on their Starbucks lattes and just pretending like everything's fine. You have to get involved. And I always say this. It will become personal to everybody. If it hasn't become personal to you yet, it will become personal. Whether that is the transgender movement or whether it's illegal immigration, all these policy issues that this enemy within has created in our country. One day it will get personal to people. And when it gets personal to enough people, are enough people going to stand up and say, this is not. This is not what we're going to do anymore?

[Luke Radowski]

So, no, we're screwed.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Because it's like, I do agree we've been through some tough times as a country, but I think the problem was in the 60s and 70s, like you mentioned, with Weather Underground in this sort of leftist paramilitaries that we saw. So we never actually sufficiently beat them. I mean, you saw like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn, like, advising, like, you know, modern liberals and these sorts of things, the Obamas. And so it's like, I agree, but it's part of the problem we're dealing with now. Is that we never actually sort of successfully put these people away when we had the chance, you know, 50 years ago. And now we're having to deal with it again. And now, I mean, like to Tim's point, we're going into a midterms that look like it's going to be favorable for the Republicans. They're losing access to a lot of funding. They're back into a corner. So it's not even a prediction, it's just math.

[Tim Pool]

Prediction markets still favor Democrats.

[Tate Brown]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

But we'll see in one year as.

[Tate Brown]

Far as holding on to some degree.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

So they feel demoralized, they feel back into a corner.

[Tim Pool]

The prediction market says Democrats are going to take the majority of the House.

[Catalina Lauf]

The only.

[Tim Pool]

But that happens every, every, the only.

[Catalina Lauf]

Way that happens though, we have such a slim majority, and this is why everybody who's listening has to get involved because we have such a slim majority. If the Democrats do win, we will not be able to pass anything from the Trump agenda, which has been remarkably better than obviously the Biden administration. But the reason for that is because normally in these off cycle years, Republicans, the people who we rely on sometimes unfortunately don't come out. And so it costs a ton of money to get people to get out and vote because sometimes we become complacent. I don't think that that's going to be the case this now, especially after everything that's been going on. There has been, this was a mandate that happened with the reelection of President Trump. So much bad happened prior to that that I think people now understood the cost and the consequences of not waking up. And so I think that we are going to take the House back. But it takes again, the silent majority to get up to knock doors, to volunteer to contribute. Everybody has a, a skill set or everybody has a role in this movement to make sure that we do win the House, keep the House that way.

[Ian Crossland]

You're running like what, you're running right now in Florida?

[Catalina Lauf]

Yes, I am.

[Ian Crossland]

What's, what happened? How did you get started?

[Catalina Lauf]

So I have obviously been politics for quite some time now and. Hi. My original inspiration, I always say, was aoc, because I look at somebody like that and I looked at how there weren't enough people on the Republican side speaking out against women like her and these young women who were completely manipulating so many minds, especially of the younger generation. And I'm like, why, why don't we have a counter voice to a lot of these, these people? And, and so I was honored to, to be able to, you know, have get a lot of support in my candidacy. And now that we're running in Florida, you know, people are really fed up. They want people who actually care about them. And we have, even on both sides of the aisle, we've had people in Congress who are not working for the people. You know, you see it unfortunately sometimes on the Republican side. And it's time that we bring back servant leadership. It's time we bring back a representative democracy, which is what we were founded upon. Your congressperson is supposed to care about you. They are supposed to be a lion for your values and a voice in Washington for you. And for so long, people have been fed up for about that.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel like Thomas Massie is doing that. But it's like when you have 700,000 people that you have to represent, I can that even function like I represent me. I can't really represent Tate because he's too awesome and I don't know what he's thinking at night. You know, I never, I can't. I can't get into your brains, people. I don't want to. We shouldn't be brain tapping each other.

[Luke Radowski]

So where do you, where do you stand? Where do you stand on the Thomas Massie issue? Are you with Massey? Are you against Massey?

[Catalina Lauf]

You know, ultimately, ultimately it's up for his constituency to decide. That's not for. You know, I do, I do agree with some of what in the past especially, but I'm a little bit more pragmatic when it comes to everything that's going on from a political perspective. You know, there are a lot of quote unquote hills to die on in politics. And sometimes it's better that we do remain united as a party in a lot of ways, because when you break out into these factions, which is what Republicans sometimes do, because we're just more individualist thinking. You know, the left always stays together. They mass organize, they're unified all the time. I'm not saying that we should be like them, however, I am saying that we have to be. We need to be a party that is on the same page. If we are not, if we are divided as a party, then that allows the subversion of the Democrats to be able to a infiltrate our party, but also to then be the stronger, to then rebuild and be strong and then they do what they do. And so I think ultimately it's up to his constituency to decide on how they feel and that's how ultimately it should play out.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel like with the Epstein style, he's going hard on releasing Epstein files that he thinks this is what my people want. I don't care about the Republican Party. I don't care about the federal government. I'm representing 700,000 people. They want the files. So I'm going to vote to do it. And it's like, it does kind of break away from, you know, the party in some ways, because a lot of people are like, hey, I think we're using this data as blackmail against the deep state right now.

[Luke Radowski]

Don't, don't.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what Alex Jones said last night. Let's not unleash it because we're using it. But, like, he's adhering to these people, like so. And the people aren't all on the same page. You know, people in Kentucky are different than people in Florida and Colorado. Wherever you're coming from, anyway, I guess tap it off. I get concerned about people marching in lockstep, but I understand your point that if you don't, someone else might.

[Catalina Lauf]

Yeah, look, at the end of the day, you have to always be as a representative. You have to do what, what you're there because of the people. You don't send somebody to Washington because, oh, well, I. This is the way I feel about something, which is, unfortunately, we have too many narcissistic politicians that go to Washington. They not only not vote for what their constituency wants, they also are sitting there insider trading, doing whatever they want. They never get, you know, they're never held accountable because they always get reelected, whatever that might be. At the end of the day, you should do what matters for your district right now. The economy is huge. Thank God we have President Trump turning things around from an economic perspective. The border crisis was. I mean, everything that was happening in our country was destroying it. And Biden did destroy our country in such a short amount of time. We're now trying to reverse that in the Trump administration. And so ultimately, to your point, we have to be in locks up from the president. I think he is the commander in chief. He was historically reelected. We need to be delivering on his agenda, which is what the people historically, from a mandate perspective, voted for.

[Luke Radowski]

So if Massie's order comes down to release the Epstein list, where do you vote on that?

[Catalina Lauf]

I would, first of all, I would appreciate that, what someone like Massie should do and what I think what most representatives should do. Why don't you take a poll of what matters in your. In your district? Why don't you take a poll for what, what your constituency wants? And so.

[Luke Radowski]

But you have to vote yes or no on the petition, it's.

[Tim Pool]

It's kind of hard to organize a scientific poll that will reach enough people in time when these things get introduced. Like, we know that Massey's been working on it for a while. So it does make sense to be like, I'm gonna set up a poll in my district. But sometimes you might get something that can move through in like a week. Some big political thing happens and they say, we're gonna draft a bill on this, get it introduced by next week. It should be done. You're not gonna be able to organize any meaningful poll. And any poll that you organize would easily be exploited by people who want to trick you into voting the wrong way.

[Catalina Lauf]

Well, and most policies, though, let's not forget, are not clean bills. I mean, half of this stuff, you have stacks of paper to your point, you have to read over, you know, 10 hours. But it's not really straightforward.

[Tim Pool]

Have you read through Massey's, the Massey.

[Catalina Lauf]

I haven't, actually.

[Tim Pool]

Massey and Ro Khanna, I think.

[Catalina Lauf]

No, I haven't.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's. I think it's pretty good. The initial bill that was put forward by Rokhan I heavily criticized because it would require the release of all the evidence, which includes videos of children. And so I said, this is a trap. Democrats put forward something they know Republicans can't vote on Ro Khanna. Then I interviewed him and he said, okay, you're right about that. It was not my intention. I appreciate you bringing that up. Appreciate that you brought it up. We're going to change it. So he and Massey got together and they drafted a very, very simple. I think it's like two pages, very clean release what of the Epstein's information that you can, without exposing any ongoing investigations, evidence, you know, that would depict, you know, children and women being trafficked. So I think his bill actually looks pretty good. Trump has not given us a real reason as to why he does not want it released. So were I to be in Congress, I would vote for it to be released.

[Luke Radowski]

What about you, yes or no?

[Catalina Lauf]

I'd like to look at the bill. I'm not going to comment on anything until I've seen the actual bill.

[Luke Radowski]

Because if you have an option to release the Epstein list but Trump tells you no, what do you do?

[Catalina Lauf]

I'm not going to. I mean, I haven't seen this bill, so I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Just in general, like, would you release the Epstein files in a way that made sense to you? Even if Trump didn't want you?

[Catalina Lauf]

I think it matters of what your people want. You're not sitting there. I think sometimes there's so much sensationalism that happens in politics and ultimately, like, why. Why are. Why don't we. If the constituency wants something to be passed, when it comes to economics, the border, things that. The kitchen table issues, why are we focused? Why don't we focus on that instead of, at the end of the day, trying to be sensationalist? And I'm not saying that this particular situation is sensationalist. However, from overwhelming conversations on the ground, I will tell you, the majority of people are focusing on how they can feed their families, why they can't afford homes, what's going on in our district. When it comes to hurricanes. Those are things that really matter to the constituency and set up some of these people that look at Twitter and things like that. And I'm not saying I'm not minimizing.

[Luke Radowski]

It on the streets, but you have to vote when you're in college.

[Catalina Lauf]

Of course I do.

[Tim Pool]

Present or you don't show up. Right. But the issue is that Trump has handled this so miserably that it's actually inflamed the issue. There was. And Dan Bongino and Cash and Pam have handled this miserably. And I consider them, Cash and Dan to be. Well, Cash is a friend. Dan. I know a little bit. He's a good dude. I respect them. They're friends of the show. They've handled this so poorly, they have made it an issue. And I wonder why that is. And then Donald Trump says it's a hoax. I don't know why that is. And now I'm kind of like, yeah, I'm not playing any games. This is weird. Dan Bongino could have come out and said one very simple thing that would have made this. Put the story to rest like that. If he looked into the camera and he said, guys, we're working on this Epstein investigation. You can trust me on this one. It may take some time, but we're going to get to the bottom of this one. Please, just be patient. Story gone.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Instead they come out and they're like, there's nothing here. It never happened. Donald Trump comes out, it's a hoax, and now we're all going. Does he want this to be the biggest trending story in the world? Because this don't make sense.

[Luke Radowski]

Yep. No blackmail. He totally took his own life. Nothing to see here. Don't talk about it. You're a weakling if you do, which is just absolutely absurd.

[Tim Pool]

I'm like anybody who sat down for 10 seconds of marketing 101 would have been like, here's what you do say. If you want to make this the biggest trending story, say this. And then they went, you got it. Went out on TV and said everything. They said that.

[Luke Radowski]

He went, I think there's a lot of internal pressure from the intel agencies telling them, you're not going to talk about this and that's it. And I think that really shows us the true structure of power in Washington, D.C. because it also highlights how it's not just Trump who's in charge here, someone clearly else is. Trump previously helped out the victims.

[Tim Pool]

I disagree. There's been some actual reporting behind the scenes that the issue is. And I think this makes the most sense because this is what I was arguing beforehand. It's not so much that he's using this against the deep state or whatever, that's wishful thing on mega side.

[Luke Radowski]

But even if he is, that's evil.

[Tim Pool]

But it's not what he's doing. What it is is that as we already saw with the news saying that Elon Musk was named in it, it's bad for the stock of these companies to even have your name in any way in it, even if it passively mentions your name. There are people who associate with Epstein but didn't go to the island who are going to be named in these documents as having traveled with Epstein or partied with them and Trump. My understanding is the reporting was Trump said it's going to hurt a lot of people. A lot of people are going to get hurt who didn't do anything wrong. And that's why he doesn't want to put it out.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah, but we have discernment as American citizens. And if you're associated and if you actually did horrible things, you should be held accountable, especially when you do them to children. And this president of saying, yeah, you could hurt children, but if you're powerful enough, we'll let you get away with it.

[Tim Pool]

The reporting behind the scenes is that there are people like Elon Musk who was reportedly named in the Epstein files. Why? Because at some point he crossed path at a party with Epstein. The argument is the files are going to come out. It's not going to expose who you want it to, but it's going to have names in it of people who have worked, like in some way with Epstein or financed him. Unbeknownst to them, he was doing these things. That's the argument.

[Tate Brown]

Well, the.

[Luke Radowski]

I think it's null and I think it's null and void because the documents have already been released that, that Elon's in there, Peter Thiel's in there. But there's also, as Elon said, specifically major left wing backers. We're talking about Bill Gates, we're talking about Bill Clinton being on the plane, children are being hurt in the back, which Bongino was talking about years ago.

[Tim Pool]

Why I'm in favor and I would agree with Massie and say we should vote to release these things. And I put the responsibility on Trump and his team for failing this miserably.

[Catalina Lauf]

Do you think that was right, though, from the media perspective, to include Elon in that particular article that they did, where he specifically fought back and said this is ridiculous. They tried to paint him as this, the villain of this story when that wasn't the reality.

[Luke Radowski]

So I talked about this latest release and it was heavily biased against Republicans. And I said this is why Trump needs to release it, because the Democrats picked out Steve Bann, they picked out Peter Thiel, they picked out Elon Musk. Those people should have some answers. But there's other people that were also involved here that are major Democratic donors, major big players. And for some reason we're protecting Bill Clinton, who according now to two sources, knew children were being hurt and was there and was an accomplice to the crime. Why protect Bill Clinton?

[Tim Pool]

It's completely obvious the Epstein files are going to implicate people that are important to Donald Trump. For whatever reason, he doesn't care if they did good, better. Otherwise the right wants to win a war against the Democrats. Trump doesn't want to allow them in any way to gain power. And I gotta be honest, I'm terrified of them gaining power. I'm in favor of releasing these documents, but again, Trump is saying nothing to see here because he wants power and doesn't want Democrats to get power.

[Luke Radowski]

But he's losing so much political capital and power by doing so. Yes, he is. Absolutely he is.

[Tim Pool]

No one actually cares.

[Luke Radowski]

This will affect no terms. In my opinion. It will. There's a lot of people that are libertarians that never voted in this last election, that only voted for him, that were in the middle because he came out and his staff came out and said, we're going to release everything, but.

[Tate Brown]

Barely anyone's talked about Epstein because you.

[Catalina Lauf]

Guys are, you're completely, you're completely discounting the fact that the average American person. Again, we have huge crises that were happening that were now being solved by this administration. There is when, when you have a family that couldn't afford groceries, you have seniors on Fixed income. You have families who, whose children have been killed by illegal immigrants. There are things that, yeah, there's children also being abused.

[Luke Radowski]

There's children being hurt and abused in.

[Tim Pool]

The thousands live in this world.

[Catalina Lauf]

But it's.

[Tim Pool]

They don't.

[Catalina Lauf]

And they're.

[Luke Radowski]

So you're saying. So you're saying some. Someone has. Has a hard time with Bill. So. So thousands of children getting hungry.

[Tim Pool]

Cassie.

[Catalina Lauf]

There's so much Kathy Rickow Cathy, Kathy Newman.

[Tim Pool]

So you're saying argument. No, I'm saying we should have these documents released. Trump has botched this miserably. However, the obvious reason why Trump is withholding them is because he wants to maximize political power by any means, to go up against the deep state.

[Luke Radowski]

He doesn't disagree with that.

[Catalina Lauf]

There's also.

[Luke Radowski]

I think that's an assertion. I think that's. I think that's very favorable. I think.

[Tim Pool]

What do you disagree about?

[Luke Radowski]

I think that's very favorable thinking. I think that's giving him the benefit of that. That's giving him favorable thinking. He could change. He could change the political landscape of this country. Yes, because the pedos haven't been held accountable because there's petals who hurt children who are still out there.

[Tim Pool]

Why does that benefit Trump that the.

[Luke Radowski]

Pedos are still out there? I have no fucking clue.

[Tim Pool]

Because he gets stuff from them. Because they give him money.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because he uses that.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because he wants to defeat the deep state and doesn't care what evil things he does to get it.

[Luke Radowski]

Well, now you're making an argument that, that it's okay that children were hurt here for political power argument.

[Tim Pool]

That it's okay.

[Luke Radowski]

What are you trying to say?

[Tim Pool]

And I'm saying.

[Luke Radowski]

I'm saying released.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying the obvious motivation that Trump has and his administration is he doesn't want these people to get back in power. He doesn't want to go to prison, he doesn't want his friends and lawyers to go to prison, and he doesn't care how he wins. When you are talking about war, they say all is fair in love and war. And so there's a simple motivation. Trump says there's a lot of powerful people in there who are going to get hurt by this. And what does that mean? It means he's probably getting something from them in some capacity, donations, resources or otherwise, and he wants to use that. And whatever that means, or at bare minimum, he fears that if it's released, it'll cause damage to someone like Bill Gates who may actually do something that benefits.

[Ian Crossland]

I wonder if when he went to Ghislaine in prison. And he was like, okay, first she came out and said Trump never did anything on tort, and then they moved her to minimum security. I wonder if she gave him the other part of the puzzle. So now he has all the info for the blackmail.

[Luke Radowski]

Favorable treatment for Ghislaine Maxwell also is a very bad look here. Okay, Editing the footage. Also a very bad look here. Lying to the American people, treating us like we're stupid is a very bad look here. If that's the actual case here, they should just say it. There's like, listen, this country's run on blackmail. This is what's happening here. And they used it against us, so we're going to use it.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you.

[Luke Radowski]

So that's what should have been said here.

[Tim Pool]

Do you believe that there is a current political war between the left and the right? Of course.

[Luke Radowski]

And an intel agency war as well that also has them involved?

[Tim Pool]

What do you think will happen that.

[Luke Radowski]

Thrive off of blackmail? What's going to happen?

[Tim Pool]

What do you think will happen if Democrats win back power?

[Luke Radowski]

They're going to do what they always did.

[Tim Pool]

Like what?

[Luke Radowski]

They're going to. They're not going to win the presidency.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, I'm coming.

[Catalina Lauf]

Why wasn't it released when they were in prime.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask the question. What happens when they win the Congress, when they win the House, the Senate and the presidency? What will they do?

[Luke Radowski]

Probably I was going to make an argument about Ukraine, but Trump's already kind of being egregious about Ukraine.

[Tim Pool]

So what are they going to do?

[Luke Radowski]

Try to implement socialism?

[Tim Pool]

They're going to open the border to 20 to 40 million more illegal immigrants. They're going to finalize the criminal charges against Trump, which are still pending, arrest him and put him in prison. They're gonna go after his lawyers, they're gonna arrest Bannon, they are going to go after everyone like they did the J6ers. They have shown us that they are capable, willing, and they will do it. This is not a defense of Trump's handling of the Epstein files, because my position is Massie and Ro Khanna are correct in doing this. I also, however, recognize the underlying motivation that Trump has in almost everything he does is to make sure that he defeats the Democrats and they never regain power. Hence mass deportations and instructing his DOJ to go after these ballot harvesting schemes and mail in ballots. If we defeat them there, they will not regain power in this current form. Democrats may win in the future if their party changes and they actually Start getting rid of the lawfare. But I believe based on what we've already seen, like the arrest of Steve Bannon, like the arrest of Trump's lawyers in multiple states, the false criminal charges, the false rape civil case, the false fraud case in New York, the raid on his home, the 20 year sentences for Proud Boys who weren't even in D.C. at the time. If Democrats win again, they will do everything to destroy you and me and everyone else. So that being said, Trump has mishandled this and by his mishandling and Dan and Cash and Pam, there is no other position. But sorry, guys, Ro, Khanna, Massie, roll.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I just think that's passed. The bill position of you have the blackmail, so let's use it. I mean, I understand that decision.

[Tim Pool]

That's not necessarily what he's doing. I think a lot of people make that argument. And it's entirely possible, I'm giving a much more simple argument in that collateral damage will hit powerful business magnates that provide resources to Republicans in some way.

[Luke Radowski]

If you deserve to fail because of your associations to predators and your association to hurting children and going to islands where children were hurt, you deserve to fail.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think so.

[Luke Radowski]

And I think those institutions need to fail. Those institutions need to be held accountable. And guess what? The economy is going to be. The economy's already a Ponzi.

[Tim Pool]

I don't care about the economy. Let me ask you this. Do you think any top level Democrat Democrats were involved in child trafficking?

[Luke Radowski]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think they will increase that when they win again?

[Luke Radowski]

What do you mean increased?

[Tim Pool]

Do you think they will bring back Epstein island once they're back in power?

[Luke Radowski]

There's probably already a second one already.

[Tim Pool]

Who thinks running it?

[Luke Radowski]

The CIA.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think when these people have international law behind them again, it will get worse? Yeah. Welcome to war. There is no easy answer. Of course we know that if they get power, it's gonna go 100 fold because we know that they were trafficking kids at the border and Trump put a stop to this. It is not easy.

[Catalina Lauf]

Yeah. Luke, why aren't you more passionate about the thousands of little kids that get sex trafficked and labor trafficked on the southern border? Complete silence about everything that happened in the invasion.

[Luke Radowski]

But there was no complete silence. I was actually talking about that a lot.

[Catalina Lauf]

Okay, but then how come. Well, why isn't the focus also on the horrific things that happen? And this, I will say that doesn't.

[Luke Radowski]

Excuse thousands of children being put on islands that hurt here. That doesn't excuse that. Right.

[Tim Pool]

But it is very sensational problem question for you. You have a government that is not currently trafficking children. Yes, they have evidence that some people did. If they haven't, and it's hypothetical, I'm not saying it's literally what's happening. If the evidence is released, that political party loses power to sex traffickers, those sex traffickers will get into office and then traffic children. Is that preferable for you?

[Luke Radowski]

I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think that's a likely question, Luke.

[Tim Pool]

It's called a conditional hypothetical. Can you answer it?

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah, if you give me that hypothetical score, I guess. But I don't think it's probable at all. I don't think that's a realistic. I think. I think exposing the predators in our society who are still out there, walking in the streets, hurting more children now as we speak, because they have the means and the ways and the money and the influence to do so. And we excuse that as a country is something that, of course, we voted against this last election. We were promised justice. We were promised that we were going to actually hold these powerful people accountable who pull the strings in Washington, D.C. that they were finally going to have a reckoning because we're going to stop them from being lawless. Right. We were going to say we're going to be a country of law and order. Right.

[Tim Pool]

So you're taking the deontological position. It doesn't matter if a million people died based on your actions, if your actions save one person. That's the deontological approach.

[Luke Radowski]

You're playing all this hypothetical.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's called moral scenarios.

[Luke Radowski]

You're saying if we release the Epstein list, Democrats are going to win.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying that's not what's going to happen. What would your position be?

[Luke Radowski]

What was the hypothetical again?

[Tim Pool]

This is a classic trolley problem right now. The reporting that we have is that Trump doesn't want to damage his resources behind the scene by exposing them in the Epstein files. We don't know that that's the case. So, once again, I am in favor of Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna's resolution to release it because Trump and his team have mishandled this. And I'm not saying it is definitive that this keeps Trump in office. I am bringing up the point that you have an absolutist approach, where you're saying it doesn't matter what happens, do it anyway.

[Luke Radowski]

Yes. Because of how egregious all the crimes are.

[Tim Pool]

If you pull the trolley lever, you will kill a million People. And if you leave it where it is, you kill one.

[Luke Radowski]

Yes, but that's not related to.

[Tim Pool]

You're saying pull the leverage.

[Luke Radowski]

I'm saying pull the lever where we actually have a government that represents us and isn't run on blackmail, which we deserve.

[Tim Pool]

Let's have a government. I actually think right now, for the most part, we don't. I think the Trump administration winning has routed the deep state in numerous ways, and it's exemplified every day in the action, especially with Comey being indicted and the pardons of J6ers. And don't forget, every day, Cash and Dan are locking up predators. And it's one of their biggest focus. It's a big focus of theirs that the Democrats didn't have.

[Luke Radowski]

One of the reasons why a lot of people have these Charlie conspiracy theories is because the FBI has lost all trust and legitimacy. And they're saying the FBI lied to us about Epstein. They're probably lying to us about Charlie right now.

[Tim Pool]

Agree.

[Luke Radowski]

So they're spreading the theory.

[Tim Pool]

We all agree that they've mishandled the Epstein.

[Catalina Lauf]

But all of this, though, we have to also remember that that sentiment from the American people didn't start in the last, you know, four years or whatever. Like, this has been a long time. Look at jfk. I mean this. And it's fine to ask questions. I don't, you know, I don't want to live in this world where you can't ask questions and you can't be passionate about what you. What you believe and all this stuff. But at the same time. So that sentiment didn't happen, you know, over the last. Just because of this FBI and this administration, this stuff has been going on, if not worse. Like, I actually trust.

[Luke Radowski]

So why do we have to continue it?

[Catalina Lauf]

Like, I trust my president, I trust this FBI and doing what they need to be doing.

[Luke Radowski]

Do you think they told you the truth about the Epstein list?

[Catalina Lauf]

I think that we need to.

[Luke Radowski]

Yes or no, did they tell you the truth?

[Catalina Lauf]

It's not as simple. But you're talking about, like, legislation, you're talking about.

[Luke Radowski]

No, I'm asking you a question. When Trump says it's a Democratic coax, you believe them.

[Catalina Lauf]

There's so much more to the entire story that we here at this table, we are not privy to. Nothing's wrong.

[Tim Pool]

It's not a Democrat hoax. He does not handle this.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And I think Trump is also just. He gets really frustrated with people that aren't trusting the plan. I know it sounds like a cliche, but it's true. And and to be fair to Trump's point is after the Epstein thing was completely botched, which, I mean, I'm a Trump, I'm fully willing to admit it was not handled very well. Polling didn't really budge. Like, the vast majority of Americans are not online. They're watching Fox News. If you watch Fox News, that's why Bondi and Trump are so confused over why there's a segment of the right.

[Luke Radowski]

But the middle of America that doesn't, that isn't political. Don't sees this.

[Tim Pool]

And I think if you, if they.

[Tate Brown]

Did, you would see it in the polling.

[Tim Pool]

You live in anarcho libertarian bitcoin world. We've gone over the polling on the show like 700 times.

[Luke Radowski]

I live in Miami. That's where I live. Okay. Coin. And I see a portion of the voter base.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Luke Radowski]

That decided to vote for. For the first time, and that base, and a lot of Americans, even Americans that aren't politically inclined have been talking about this. And this is an issue, and this is an issue that's very important for a lot of people, but it's not.

[Tim Pool]

Important enough for any major poll to actually considering a campaign.

[Luke Radowski]

Who's doing all the pollsters, people who have still landlined and are picking up.

[Tim Pool]

No, you are completely wrong about. I'm talking about his team, I'm talking about his consultants, people like Charlie Kirk, what he was doing. And I'm talking about people like Alex Brucewicz.

[Luke Radowski]

Charlie Kirk behind the scenes was saying released Epstein list.

[Tim Pool]

And I agree with that. My point is this is not a principal issue for Americans and the polling shows that they mostly don't know what it is.

[Luke Radowski]

Why was Charlie Kirk then behind the scenes trying to work with Donald Trump to release the list? Right. He saw this as an important issue because the young people did believe that.

[Tim Pool]

This was an important exaggeration. Luke?

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Catalina Lauf]

I think when it comes to Congress and things like that, I think your constituents, their will should matter with something like this. So I don't know about the influencer world and all this stuff. If people are working behind the scenes, I think ultimately when it comes to like legislation and things like that, again, if it's something that your people are asking about and all that, then okay. And then you have conversations, but you don't just sit there and look at what Twitter is saying. And there's a lot of BS out there. And I'm not saying that this situation is entirely bs, but there's a lot out there that a lot of it is driven by Sensationalism. And. And by the way, the Democrats love this. They love when this happens.

[Tim Pool]

We got to jump to this. Yeah.

[Luke Radowski]

Stop giving away. Just really quick release their list or not. Yes or no?

[Catalina Lauf]

Not going to. I'm like, there's no. You're trying. Like, I'm trying to get a clear.

[Luke Radowski]

Answer where you stand on the issue.

[Catalina Lauf]

I'm not going to fall for that. Like, that's. That's a stupid, like, trying to. Got you question.

[Luke Radowski]

It's not a gotcha question.

[Catalina Lauf]

I'm not going to.

[Ian Crossland]

It's just, I've come to think, like, I trust Cash to lie about the right things. And sometimes you use evil to create order, and that's how the world has always been. And sometimes you just do it. I mean, if, you know, I think.

[Tim Pool]

The only answer you could actually have is, I'm not sure.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because not giving an answer, people are gonna accuse you of running, you know, sniffing Trump's ass or whatever. But if the honest answer is honestly.

[Catalina Lauf]

I want to see what my. Well, I want to. I would want to see what the people my constituency would want.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Catalina Lauf]

If I got.

[Luke Radowski]

We got to move.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to jump to the next story instead of arguing all day. We have four hours on that from the blaze.com China behind massive nationwide SIM farm. SIM farm network that directly threatens American critical infrastructure. And low. They were attacking me personally.

[Luke Radowski]

You're in the story.

[Tim Pool]

China launched a international attack on critical American infrastructure and personalities, which included me. This is pretty crazy. This is wild. So the discovery of SIM farms that threatens cellular networks in New York City is only the tip of the massive nationwide network run by Chinese communist government that poses an immediate threat to critical infrastructure and has led to terrorist attacks, including hoax SWAT raids at the homes of national leaders, Blaze News has learned. So DHS located this. Look at this. There's tons of them. Check this out. They say this is. It's absolutely an act of war. According to a top intelligence official speaking with Blaze News, a direct threat to our nation and needs to be shut down today, like, asap. Only five of them have been taken down so far. Let me just read where. Let me find where in the article.

[Luke Radowski]

So this was the fake cell towers that were used to do the swattings, is that correct?

[Tim Pool]

This is what they're reporting. And let me jump to the portion it says recently these SIM farms are believed to be responsible for dozens of hoax SWAT raids, including a senior U.S. secret Service official, FBI Director Kash Patel, members of Congress, including Marjorie Taylor Greene, and media influencers such as Tim Pool and Steve Bannon. Well, then what do I get? Do I want a prize? Is the federal government gonna give me a cookie or something?

[Ian Crossland]

Yes, you are the tip of the spear. Congratulations.

[Luke Radowski]

You get a Chines fortune cookie.

[Ian Crossland]

Welcome to the future.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I have to wonder too, with the. A lot of the threats that we get. As I mentioned recently, I've been direct contact with the FBI, like actual. Over the threats we've been receiving because they've ramped up substantially. And one question has always been, are these actually foreign state actors? And my argument in response to this story is two things. Yes, I believe them when they say China is behind this. However, we also have evidence that not all of the swats were from the same source. And we do have evidence, and we've submitted this to the FBI in the previous administration, that it likely came from a leftist. And I have evidence that I can't speak publicly about. It would compromise any investigation. But we have. We have. We have. We have evidence. Additionally, when we get these death threats and then you go online and see the people saying them in videos, we know it's Americans doing it. So I do believe that there are foreign actors that are trying to fan the flames by sending us death threats and launching these hoax SWAT rates. We also know for a fact some of it is coming from leftists.

[Luke Radowski]

How do we know that it's China? I know we're getting some of the reporting here, but I haven't seen any kind of.

[Tim Pool]

Because they have a source at dhs, Numerous that have confirmed to them, and that's what their reporting is based on. So if you trust the Blaze, then you can believe it, and if you don't, then you don't believe it. If you trust dhs, I trust dhs.

[Ian Crossland]

China's a good boogeyman. But I'm not saying that it wasn't China.

[Tim Pool]

It's crazy to say, but there. There are people in this administration that I have known for years, and I don't think they're lying to me.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, it is the kind of thing where if an actual American did a SWAT and then, you know, Chinese are watching this right now. Chinese, they're tapped. The show, they love it. Probably a bunch of them love it. What's up, guys? I'll be in China soon. That's my plan. That they're like, oh, let's copycat. Let's make Tim or whoever think that.

[Luke Radowski]

They'Re gonna harvest Ian's organs. We're never gonna see him again.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm gonna meditate in the mountains, baby. We're gonna make sure videos about it. Beautiful western mountains of the ancient Shu Empire. I'm there with you. That it's easy to copycat. So you get one crime in America, and then foreign actors are like, let's replicate that and make them think that it's coming from within. Psych them out, you know, get them to turn on each other 100%.

[Catalina Lauf]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

It's so important that we hold it together. I think because of this and things like this, it's so important that we as Americans keep cohesion.

[Catalina Lauf]

The more that we are divided, whether it's politics, culture, whatever it is, you're allowing an open door for that.

[Omaha Steaks Advertiser]

The holidays can get hectic, and having Omaha Steaks in my freezer has been a total game changer. I recently cooked up their filet mignons. Incredibly tender, juicy, and packed with flavor. From weeknight dinners to holiday hosting, Omaha Steaks makes it easy. Right now. During their early Black Friday sale, get 50% off site wide, plus an extra 20% off select favorites. Save big with Omaha steaks. Visit Omaha steaks.com for 50% off site wide and an extra 20% off select favorites during their early Black Friday sale. And for an extra $35 off, use promo code Flavor at checkout term supply. See site for details. That's 50% off at Omaha steaks.com promo code flavor@ checkout.

[Catalina Lauf]

Enemy within and without. To completely take their chance. And that's been. That's historically been the cycle. And that's why it's so important that to your point, we do remain united, and we do uncover these things when they happen, but it's important that we don't show that we're, you know, everything that's going on, the weakness, you know, sometimes that is caused by, again, the media, unfortunate circumstance, like horrific circumstances that are done by horrific people. But at the end of the day, what we can control is to remain united as much as possible.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I think people like Americans are. Americans on the right are really burnt out with foreign entanglements. They hear the gop. There are, you know, these swamp creatures, like, banging on and on about the ccp. And so they kind of roll their eyes and say, okay, this is a boogeyman. But, like, legitimately is. I mean, this. This story is a good example of, like, no, they actually are our leading global adversary. Yes, they are trying to undermine our country. Yes. They are threatened by the Trump administration's efficiency and, you know, their ability to sort of show strength globally. So it's like, yeah, I understand. You know, I see a lot of people, typically they kind of just roll their eyes at the CCP dooming or they kind of, you know, hand wave it away. But they are legitimately. And they're. I mean, this story proves they have a lot of. They're making a lot of plays in the United States.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, it technically doesn't prove it is evidence because the claims themselves aren't proof.

[Tim Pool]

Sure.

[Tate Brown]

You know, but, you know, if this reporting is true, it just adds to the list of ways the CCP is actively meddling in the United States.

[Luke Radowski]

Well, the story that I'm reading is talking about how they were bot farmers, how they could have capabilities to send out 30 million texts per minute under the type of equipment that they had. They had more than 100,000 SIM cards that were also seized. And I think there's a lot more to this. And automatically, I would love to see some evidence highlighting how China was involved here, because I think there's a possibility for a false flag potential too, especially with how just angry the intelligence agencies have been within the last few years, especially under the Biden administration, against independent media, against content creators, and they have acted against them, like we saw with what happened to Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, and James o'. Keefe. So I wouldn't be surprised if the swatting actually came from inside the house and that China's just being blamed right now for it personally.

[Ian Crossland]

You said how many texts per minute? 600 million texts per minute.

[Luke Radowski]

30 million.

[Ian Crossland]

30 million texts per minute. This is industrialized psychological warfare. We've come to that age now with first computation, electrical computation, now artificial intelligence. Like the machine gun was industrialized warfare. You churn men into the grinder that started in the early 19. Now we're seeing this rapid psychological manipulation that's inconceivable. 30 million texts per minute. What human can keep up with that? How do you even know what's real and what's not? And that's a point. That's the point of it.

[Tim Pool]

A lot of times.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it's definitely not past the CCP to be bought farming. I mean, there was. I think it was during. During. It was like right before. Right during COVID when Twitter removed like tens of thousands of profiles that were just spamming, like pro CCP stuff all the time. And it's like, I mean, yeah, you saw it. You saw a lot of it during COVID was a lot of, I guess, disinformation, which is a bit cringe, but it's. I guess all this to say it's really not passive CCP to be bot farming. And I think in this article it said that this is this specific. You know, battery farming has been going on since like 04.

[Ian Crossland]

I think every government should be bought. I mean, it's a psychological war. You have to have some control over the media narrative as a nation. I hope we all. I hope the America's got a great one too. And like you saw, Israel now is.

[Tim Pool]

Wants to buy TikTok.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not sure if that purchase went through.

[Omaha Steaks Advertiser]

It comes from China.

[Ian Crossland]

America's like, stomp it down and then Israel's gonna buy it.

[Luke Radowski]

Well, it's not Israel, it's Larry Ellison, okay?

[Ian Crossland]

Head of Oracle, second richest man in the United States worth 450 billion roughly. I know he's in the pocket. Not in the pocket, but he's tight with Trump. Larry Ellison. Is he tight with the Israelis? Why did Israel. Okay, so he is tight with Israel. I mean the Israeli American psy connection is very tight. And you saw that with Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, allegedly or provably working with Mossad. Like no one's like thinking we're not super tight with Israeli intelligence.

[Tim Pool]

The five eyes.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know how involved Israel is with the five eyes, but. So I don't know why I brought it up. That's more of a.

[Catalina Lauf]

Can we talk about how the CCP was using, using Venezuelan passports to illegally enter our country and why wasn't like, can that be more investigated? Can we find out what type of bad actors were coming into our country because of a border invasion? I mean, there's so much stuff here that happened under the Biden administration. Complete subversion, all these little nuances. I hope every single thing is investigated. Yes, that's very sophisticated what's happening here. And to Tim and these influencers and members and things like that is very sophisticated. But what also was going on and what is already in our country?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, it's just nice that Trump doesn't even need a bot farm. He just has like a bunch of sensitive young patriots just posting non stop. I mean, look at dhs. Like that guy, he's not even getting paid right now. The government shutting down, he's just letting it fly. It's like, I don't even need the bot farm. We just got.

[Tim Pool]

How sad is it that Netanyahu needs $7,000 to do that? Real Donald Trump can be like, post for me. And everyone's like, yeah. And then Netanyahu's like, we'll give you $7,000 per.

[Luke Radowski]

I want you to call it wild. I want you to call Gavin Newsome Gay.

[Tate Brown]

Everyone post it right now.

[Luke Radowski]

They'll do it.

[Tim Pool]

Post a sombrero meme and everyone just goes sombrero nuts.

[Luke Radowski]

It's crazy how many people are for hire in this industry. I think there should be a label. There should be something on Twitter that says, hey, I've taken money to shill for this country. And, and why haven't those rules been followed with this particular case here? I don't understand. People like to talk about Qatari money, but the, you know, Israeli money is there too, clearly, so it needs to, to be exposed so we could actually get to the bottom of who's financing and trying to. Of course. What did the Democrats say the Russians were doing when Trump was running for the presidency for the first time? What were they doing?

[Tim Pool]

Well, that Trump worked for Russia, you.

[Luke Radowski]

Know, but they, they said Russia was meddling in our, in our political system. Sure. Yeah. Really?

[Catalina Lauf]

It was Obama.

[Ian Crossland]

You mentioned Venezuela, Catalina, earlier. Did you guys see that the Trump administration just blew up the fourth Venezuelan boat? Allegedly. They called them terrorists. I don't know. They were alleged terrorists, to my knowledge, but they just hit it.

[Tim Pool]

Nope.

[Ian Crossland]

No Congressional. I mean, what do you need Congress for? Maybe to declare war on somebody, Maybe.

[Tim Pool]

To declare war on who? It's in international open waters.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, what.

[Luke Radowski]

We haven't done that in a while.

[Ian Crossland]

Bomb a foreign country.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know what country they bomb.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, they bomb a Venezuelan piece of technology right off the coast of Venezuela. That's what they told us.

[Tim Pool]

So for all you know, it could have been Chinese.

[Ian Crossland]

For all I know, it didn't even happen.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. If your argument.

[Ian Crossland]

But they said it's the fourth.

[Tim Pool]

If your argument is allegedly it was Venezuela, then my argument to you is, okay, so it was moon mending made of cheese.

[Omaha Steaks Advertiser]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

And how would that be any better?

[Luke Radowski]

Indiscriminately killing moon men? Ian, just say it was a boat coming from Venezuela off the coast of Venezuela.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe the moon men are trying to steal our cheese to rebuild the moon and make it bigger and we don't want that.

[Ian Crossland]

That's a good point. If you knew their intention. But they said they're cartelling drugs in and they are definitely have hostility towards the Venezuelan government. Somebody said we're going to invade Venezuela.

[Tim Pool]

Like, here's an honest question, you know, when, when we got leaked information that they were killing civilians in a foreign country that we never declared war on and invaded anyway. That was terrifying. But there's legitimate purpose of military use, which is not nation building in Afghanistan. So when Trump says, we're gonna secure our border, oh, look, narco terrorists are driving in. Here's the video of it. I go, well, I don't necessarily just trust you, but there is a world of difference between collateral murder, when the US killed a Reuters journalist overseas and then tried covering it up, and Trump being like, I'm gonna show you what we're doing in international waters because these guys are drug runners. The question then becomes, okay, all right, I would like to see evidence of this beyond just the video. I'd like to see documentation, whatever proof they can afford. But I'm actually willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. It's very different. The question I would have, the first question I ask is, what are these boats doing otherwise? Is it a group of fishermen enjoying a nice speedboat to the Caribbean and Trump just blew them up? I really doubt.

[Ian Crossland]

Why don't they watch the boat come to the shore, watch it land, and then get the guys after they deboard it?

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah, detain them, then blow them up.

[Catalina Lauf]

Right. You guys see the video recently where actually there are a lot of people, law enforcement, the one of the boats is firing back at them. So what? So we don't know what happens.

[Tim Pool]

Did you see the discord messages between the boats where he was talking about how he loved the other boat driver.

[Ian Crossland]

Each other.

[Tim Pool]

They loved each other. And that the other boat pilot was not actually in fact trafficking drugs?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, these guys sound freaky.

[Luke Radowski]

Blow them out of the water, get.

[Tate Brown]

Them out of here.

[Tim Pool]

One of them was a furry.

[Ian Crossland]

But honestly, I would love to have seen them let. Let them land and then take them and take the cargo and show people instead of just blowing up all the.

[Luke Radowski]

Evidence, like make an example out of them, like, these are the drugs coming in here. I mean, the war on drugs is a farce anyway. It's all just the COVID for the kind of oil rich nation that Venezuela is a failed communist state. But there's a reason Trump declared Maduro a drug trafficker and then recently declared war on drug traffickers. And how Venezuela is becoming very closely aligned with Russia, China and Iran. And now we're flying military jets and fighter pilots and naval assets.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, discussion of drone bombing Venezuela.

[Luke Radowski]

Not only that, there should require declaration of war. There's practices of land invasion happening right now in Puerto Rico of American military service members. So I do believe we are headed towards the kind of, whether kinetic or non kinetic type of war. Between the United States and Venezuela.

[Tim Pool]

It ain't just united to Venezuela, though.

[Luke Radowski]

Of course, going to be World War 3. It's BRICS and it's all the other nations involved that indeed. Yeah. For me, what I'm seeing is it's going to be Iran next, Venezuela and then essentially Russia.

[Ian Crossland]

What about.

[Luke Radowski]

That's how the. That's what I said. Iran first.

[Tim Pool]

Why?

[Ian Crossland]

What are they going to do in Iran?

[Luke Radowski]

You think they're going to do a regime change and they're going to probably start bombing sometime soon. American refueling aircraft is already being sent. Gaza is being wrapped up as soon as Gaza wraps up. There's conflicting information right now about Trump pushing the Israelis towards a peace deal. The Israelis kind of pushing back right now. But I think the vice president and the president just retweeted Hamas, which is very interesting. And Trump ordered Bibi to stop bombing Gaza. So far the reports are coming in that Bibi has not listened to him. Just like during the time when Bibi was bombing Iran. Trump told him to stop. He didn't. He sent more bombs. Again, kind of humiliating. Attacking Donald Trump once again on the international world stage.

[Catalina Lauf]

One, Trump retweeted Hamas.

[Luke Radowski]

Hamas.

[Catalina Lauf]

The statement of where they agreed to his show of strength of what he proposed. So how is that just because that's how. What is the fine line to you then of course, sharing a fact to.

[Luke Radowski]

I'm not sharing any.

[Catalina Lauf]

Sensationalizing it. And then I also want to.

[Luke Radowski]

No, no, no. I'm sharing a fact. It happened.

[Catalina Lauf]

Okay.

[Luke Radowski]

I'm not placing judgment on it. Right. I'm just telling people, hey, it happened.

[Catalina Lauf]

For all this conversation about Iran and the doomsday that we're going to war and all stuff. What. What is then your. Your spectrum of going to war and then showing strength in an administration. Do you. Do you want us to be like Biden that just sat there and everybody just was completely not afraid of that?

[Luke Radowski]

He gave the CIA carte blanche to do whatever they wanted to do in Ukraine and he did a lot of kind of aggressive military actions as well. So I wouldn't say he was by any means.

[Catalina Lauf]

So what is your spectrum of we're going to go to war to. Okay, let's actually show people that we're not meant to be F's around with. And so what is your spectrum?

[Luke Radowski]

So why. Why should we go to war? Why should we go to work to show strength?

[Catalina Lauf]

I'm ask.

[Luke Radowski]

I don't get it.

[Catalina Lauf]

I'm asking, asking. I'm asking what your spectrum of a decision by the commander in chief. What is what to you, what level to you is complete war or doing what it takes to make sure that our adversaries know not to mess with the United States?

[Luke Radowski]

That's a very kind of fine line. And I could answer that in many different ways, but obviously you could use the carrot and the stick. I think we've been using a lot of stick. I think we need to use carrots. I think we need to promote diplomacy. And I think a lot of the problems could be solved through just economic, free trade, capitalism, and deals that could be made right now that could promote more prosperity rather than this kind of war footing that we're on. That I think is incorrect.

[Catalina Lauf]

Nobody wants war. Okay? However, do we think in the history of history that, like, did you support.

[Luke Radowski]

The bombing of Iran?

[Catalina Lauf]

We are just going to get away with this stuff through, like, peace and love.

[Luke Radowski]

I'm not saying that. I just said the stick. I just said the stick in the carrot. And I said it should be a two prong approach where we're strong, but at the same time, war should be a last resort. Diplomacy should always be used. Trump, this time around, has been bombing a lot of countries. He bombed Yemen, he bombed Iran. Did you support the bombing? But I wanna ask you a question. Did you support the bombing of Iran?

[Catalina Lauf]

I supported President Trump's decision. And guess what? Everybody was wrong that all the doomsday people said it was gonna lead to war. We're in World War Three. It's like we didn't even give the administration a chance to do they have more intelligence. They have more intelligence than any of us.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah, but it's disingenuous when, so when somebody trusts.

[Catalina Lauf]

I trust the President of the United States and making decisions, especially when it comes to foreign policy and what he needs to do to get things done. Why is all of a sudden it has to be sensationalized that we're going to World War iii? It's like, why? Why even.

[Luke Radowski]

I never even said that. But yes, you did. You said literally, maybe we're going to war with Venezuela. Yeah. That there probably will be a conflict with Venezuela. Probably. With the way that things are shaping up, I mean, you don't bring in the military, you don't prep for the invasion, you don't send in the military. If that's not an option, obviously all those options are on the table. Obviously, we hope and pray Donald Trump makes the decision that's going to bring peace, not war.

[Catalina Lauf]

You're also assuming that these, that, that people, that terrorists in particular are are going to come to the negotiating table when it comes to economic sanctions and things like that. Sometimes they don't.

[Luke Radowski]

So, so your solution is just. Just bomb them. Just bomb everyone and start wars? What is your solution?

[Catalina Lauf]

I think given. No, no, I give.

[Tim Pool]

Give the logical agents that target genetics specifically in that region. Luke. Specific Biochi was working on.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. That sounds great. Or, you know, nuclear wars. But. But what. What are you calling for exactly? Like, what's your. What's your. What's your position exactly? Because I'm saying we need more diplomacy. Are you saying we need more war?

[Catalina Lauf]

You're saying. Okay, but you're saying that. That a situation where we show strength automatically leads to war. That's exactly. You just, you just said.

[Luke Radowski]

I'm saying we have been.

[Catalina Lauf]

If I say that I agreed with the Commander in Chief's decision, that also.

[Luke Radowski]

I think you're going to say that regardless, no matter what the issue is, because you're running as a politician and I'm not.

[Catalina Lauf]

I'm running as a servant to my district that overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly supported President Trump and supports his decision as Commander in Chief. I'm. If. If we have intelligence that a foreign adversary is directly impacting the United States and Americans and our interests, why. Why shouldn't the Commander in Chief then make a logical decision to then do what he has to do, which is what happened in Iran, and that did not lead to World War iii, by the way, which everybody then screamed at that choice, but that's got to be careful.

[Luke Radowski]

But it made an impact and it made a difference.

[Tim Pool]

Just to be pedantic, some argued that it would ignite World War iii. At the moment, the actions Trump took with Iran could still be a contributing factor to the escalation of tensions between brics and NATO.

[Luke Radowski]

It's not. It's not an end of the conflict. Iran, yeah, Iran literally went to China.

[Tim Pool]

After we dropped bunker busters on Iran that were designed 20 years ago specifically for bunker bustering Iran. And that would not inflame tensions. Of course it will inflame.

[Luke Radowski]

It inflamed tensions and it stopped the negotiations happening in Russia right now. The deals that were supposed to be made, Putin was watching the negotiations and said, do not bomb Iran. He saw the bad faith actors in those negotiations and it affected the negotiations with Ukraine. So you can't say it had no effect. Everything's fine when we're still very close towards another war with Iran. China is now becoming closely aligned with Iran and now Venezuela, and we are becoming. And going on this kind of trajectory that we should be using, diplomacy, that.

[Tim Pool]

Would be a lot, much, much more than that. BRICS already exists. Of course we don't have a conversation about China and Iran becoming close. They, they're close, but also they're coming.

[Luke Radowski]

Even closer and becoming more on a war footing. And now more, more, more equipment is being, is being shared and now we're all being brought closer to this type of bigger conflict, which I think we should be doing everything to avoid.

[Catalina Lauf]

Do you think in any case, showing a show of strength is necessary?

[Luke Radowski]

What do you define that as?

[Catalina Lauf]

Any show of strength?

[Luke Radowski]

Because negotiating in bad faith, flexing on.

[Tim Pool]

Stage with a shirt on.

[Luke Radowski]

I don't think they're gonna be flexing. Obvious.

[Catalina Lauf]

Like taking out Soleimani, for example. Do you believe that there is there. Do you believe I asked you a.

[Luke Radowski]

Bunch of questions that you still never answer them? I answered a lot of your questions.

[Catalina Lauf]

No, you haven't. You didn't answer.

[Luke Radowski]

So you support, you supported the bombing of Iran and you thought that brings peace.

[Catalina Lauf]

Yes, I said I.

[Luke Radowski]

And we're very, we're in peace right now. Are we in peace right now with Iran?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Catalina Lauf]

President Trump's decision, I don't know about.

[Tim Pool]

We are not currently at war with Iran. It was a 12 day war. We, the United States crushed them and then they said, okay, we're done.

[Luke Radowski]

Okay, so what's, what's the solution? What are you, what are you trying to get at the questions that she.

[Tate Brown]

Bomb a country in between, just as a consolation, I think we just sacrifice.

[Luke Radowski]

Some children at the altar of the military industrial complex. And then, and then, and then as soon as we sacrifice to Molec and the demons out there, then it's fine. Just a little bit, just a little bit of intervention.

[Catalina Lauf]

Just a bunch of war dramatic to completely manipulating what I said. I said support peace through strength. That and I don't believe that all these, these situ. The decisions from the commander in chief, given the intelligence that he receives that is again, above all of our pay grades here. Ultimately he makes a decision that doesn't lead to war, that doesn't fuel the military industrial complex. Believe me, I'm the wife of a veteran who served in the global war on terror. I'm completely against the military industrial complex. However, I'm not against peace through strength, which is a cornerstone of American foreign policy.

[Luke Radowski]

Peace is done through diplomacy. Peace is done through negotiations. Can you stop interrupting me? Can I let you finish and I listen to you? Can you please let me finish? Right. If you look at all the peace that we have ever had it is because people came to the negotiation table and made a deal wrong. And because they won wars. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

There's a thing called gun blow Diplomacy.

[Tim Pool]

Vaporized Hiroshima and Nagasaki and they dropped her there.

[Luke Radowski]

Not always, but a lot of the times a lot of women wars were prevented because of negotiations.

[Tim Pool]

Since the end of World War II, peace came about from our rich gunboats.

[Catalina Lauf]

So if you believe in negotiation, then why are you upset that President Trump reached that re stated that you said.

[Luke Radowski]

You'Re making that up out of your own head. I never said I was upset that he did. I said that he just did.

[Tim Pool]

I think Luke hates America. I think Luke just hates America.

[Ian Crossland]

Luke, you got to flex a little more, baby. No. Gunboat diplomacy was this decision. Late 1800s sometime when they're like, we're going to roll up our ship on the coast to park them right in front of the city and be like, now you're going to do some diplomacy with us.

[Luke Radowski]

There's a reason why so many people voted for Donald Trump. When he, even when he was talking to you directly, Tim, he was like, yeah, why are we involved in Yemen? Why are we doing this? We should be taking care of our own problems at home. So if you're arguing, yes, we have to be the world police, yes, we have to bomb countries for peace, that is a ridiculous, idiotic notion that doesn't make any sense. Doesn't add up when we have clear priorities here at home that need to be prioritized because I'm guessing Venezuelan drug.

[Tim Pool]

Cartel members in the Caribbean doula with.

[Luke Radowski]

Flip flops in Iran is not my enemy.

[Catalina Lauf]

Okay, but you're clearly putting. You're putting words in my mouth that I'm for being.

[Luke Radowski]

No, no, no. You're like, we need peace through strength. We need to do this.

[Catalina Lauf]

So how is that?

[Luke Radowski]

We need to spend all this on. We're spending records. We are in debt up to our ears because of the military industrial complex. How much money are we just wasting away, throwing away? Doidge and Elon Musk could have never gone to the Pentagon and audited them. Why? Why can't we have an audit from all the contracts, from all the nonsense, from all the malfeasance, from all of these people robbing us blind.

[Catalina Lauf]

Can I make one?

[Tim Pool]

Someone has to sacrifice children at the altar of Molly.

[Catalina Lauf]

Oh, my gosh. Can I make one point here? The military.

[Ian Crossland]

What's happening here?

[Catalina Lauf]

The military. The military industrial complex is. Has literally started like in 1913 and.

[Luke Radowski]

They'Re robbing us blind.

[Catalina Lauf]

Okay, but you're sitting here trying to blame this administration for decades of poor policy. No, I'm not.

[Luke Radowski]

All I'm saying is keep your campaign promised and let's take care of our problems at home. We have clear issues.

[Catalina Lauf]

Let's take care of the promises.

[Luke Radowski]

Okay, but let's hyper focus on that and not send a quarter of our Thaad missile defense systems over to Israel right now. We don't need to be doing that. We don't need to be spending billions of dollars. Hold on.

[Catalina Lauf]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

You know, maybe we do.

[Ian Crossland]

You certainly need a broad focus as the commander.

[Tim Pool]

You can't. I get $7,000 now.

[Catalina Lauf]

But this is, this is.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, what I'm going to do is I'm going to. I'm going to leverage. I'm going to go to Qatar and be like, hey, man, Israel, give me seven for pro Israel, what are you.

[Luke Radowski]

Going to give me for Eight and a half? Eight and a half. Qatar, come on, let's see what you got here. Donald Trump. Donald Trump galvanized so many people by saying George W. Bush knew about 9, 11. He galvanized so many people when he said we should have never went into Iraq. He galvanized so many people when he said, yeah, we just went in there to take the oil right to that.

[Tim Pool]

Dance on SNL where he's, you know.

[Luke Radowski]

Like, no more children. Tumolik. Right. And I was like, I never said that.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, maybe some.

[Catalina Lauf]

Luke, we know you have a little bit. We know you have Trump derangement syndrome.

[Luke Radowski]

Let's go.

[Tim Pool]

She got you. That's obvious. Argument 1.

[Luke Radowski]

You can't have an argument. You, you can't have a clear answer.

[Catalina Lauf]

You know why?

[Luke Radowski]

You know, like, come on, that is such a cop out.

[Catalina Lauf]

You know why I can't have a clear argument.

[Luke Radowski]

Trump when he was campaigning. Or do you support Trump now?

[Catalina Lauf]

Do you.

[Luke Radowski]

Which. Which Trump do you support?

[Catalina Lauf]

I supported him since 20.

[Tim Pool]

Because things change, of course.

[Catalina Lauf]

No, but let me tell. Yes, I have supported President Trump since 2015. But I will tell you, people like you make it hard because you want to have a substantive conversation, but yet you sit there and say you're completely twisting my words. You're saying, I'm the world's police, I.

[Tim Pool]

Want to sacrifice children.

[Luke Radowski]

When I don't get it, it's fine.

[Catalina Lauf]

When I literally told Billy and Bobby.

[Luke Radowski]

Give them to the Epstein criminals and predators out there, it's fine.

[Tim Pool]

Just let each other. I gotta be honest. I think Catalina is going to get a mass amount of donations after she claimed you had Trump derangement syndrome. Because the chat's going up like Catalina.

[Catalina Lauf]

For congress dot com. Luke has Trump derangement syndrome.

[Luke Radowski]

Can we make a. Can we make yard sign?

[Catalina Lauf]

No, it's going to be a T shirt, a crop top, actually.

[Ian Crossland]

When. I definitely want to let you point that out. When Trump was running in those early days and saying we never should have been there, he was ignorant to a lot of geopolitical strategy of taking the Suez Canal, holding it, using Israeli nuclear force, you know, eradicating radical Islam and whatever that means, whether or not you agree with that. But when you get into office now, you're like, I have to decide who lives and who dies. We need money.

[Catalina Lauf]

I believe he has avoided war. And I truly believe, again, as a wife of a veteran global war on terror. It's hard to see an entire generation that was completely a misled. A lot of these guys look back and they say all for what. It's devastating the impact of what that war did on an entire generation of men.

[Luke Radowski]

If we go back in time, you.

[Tim Pool]

Would have everybody worked up. No, no. I actually.

[Luke Radowski]

That Saddam Hussein guy has connections to. I'm going to stop you because I'm telling you, I'm completely answering.

[Catalina Lauf]

It's rude that. Luke, one last. Say that.

[Tim Pool]

Changing the subject. We're going to rag on some liberals before we grab one last segment for the weekend. We got to do it because this one is. How do I say this? I am emotionally triggered and personally offended and biased. I got this tweet. I tweeted this. 90% of liberals, we try to book demand money. 0% of conservatives ask for money. In fact, conservatives sometimes drive themselves. Even though we cover travel and accommodation, liberals are grifters. They don't care about ideas. They care about money. And they will say anything for money. And I believe it. So we have an update for you guys for the Culture War Live event, which is coming up in a couple of weeks. We had booked Naima Trout, who is notable because she debated Charlie Kirk on Jubilee. She had agreed to come on the show in exchange for $500. This is the Culture War Live ticketed stage event. We have never offered money for Tim Cast irl. We have been offered money. We have turned it down every time. We do not offer money to appear on any of the shows that I do. Naima was invited to come on the debate show about dating, and she said, how much? So apparently she had negotiated. Her team had negotiated with Alex, not someone from our team. And she was offered $500 and we never pay. The events Lose money. We do this because we're trying to. It's for the cause, for an impact. They came back to me, to our team yesterday saying she had received an offer for 5,000 and would be backing out of the event unless we could match or offer more. To which we responded, no, we can't do that. Now, I'll grant some respect. If I was asked to go to an event and I said, sure, I'll do it, whatever. And then like a week later, someone said, tim, we're going to pay you to do another event. I'd hit him up and be like, guys, look, I got to take the money. Sorry. Like, it's a paid gig versus. So I'm not completely bent about that, but it is a reality that conservatives never ask for money. I think, to be fair, 0%. It might be 0.01%, because we may have had one personality who's not a conservative but is a prominent. It's like a celebrity who kind of agrees with Trump. So, anyway, here's what ends up happening. I tweet this. It's got 4,000 retweets, 811,000 views. Because it's true. And even Bill Maher said the same thing. And everyone's favorite, Olivia Giuliana. She is a liberal personality. Tweeted 10,000 likes, and I'll post screenshots of Tim's team offering me money to collab with him. I love the word collab, because that literally never happened. I don't collab, but I guess semantics. People who are invited to come on the Culture War debate show, which I will also add, I wouldn't be there, as we already announced I wouldn't be for security reasons, and we don't know yet if I will be there. She said 10,000 likes and I'll post screenshots of Tim's team offering me money. And this just so beautifully exemplifies the point. She wouldn't just do it. She wouldn't just say, oh, yeah, look, Tim offered me money. No, she says, you give me clicks and help me build up my personality and my career and my job, and maybe I'll consider being honest. Of which she wasn't because Lisa, who does our booking Patriot, posted the screenshots on X showing everything and never was she offered money. Hi, Olivia. Tim Pool is a new show, the culture World War II guests with opposing views. Uh, hi, Olivia. The Temple is. Is. Is hosting an event July 26th in Washington, D.C. no offer of money. She said hi. Have a private prior familial obligations and will be unable to attend. Thank you for the invitation. Then an email. We would like to invite you to the culture war, the comedy Loft. No offer of money, and, excuse me, the other half of the email. Here's the date, here's who's gonna be there. Kat, Tim, Kyla Turner, Myron Gaines will be there. And then she even went further to include a text message with another staffer who said, we never offered her any money, so maybe she's just a lunatic who was, I don't know, talking to some random cactus and thinking it was me offering money. I don't know, but we never did. These people lie. It's what they do. I am genuinely convinced that about 90% of liberals are literally just saying whatever they have to say to make money. People like Jimmy Kimmel are no exception. Sam Seder. Well, to be fair, Sam did the show for free, so I'll give him some respect. Hasan Grifter. Krassenstein's. They never asked for money. They came on the show. Respect, despite not respect in other areas.

[Catalina Lauf]

Speaking of liberals making money, Luke, how much are you getting paid to be here?

[Luke Radowski]

Zero, actually. I'm volunteering my time.

[Catalina Lauf]

Wow, you have.

[Luke Radowski]

You're. Well, your.

[Catalina Lauf]

Your thesis is wrong here.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Luke's looks like an anarchist.

[Catalina Lauf]

No, he's not a liberal.

[Tim Pool]

He's definitely not a liberal.

[Catalina Lauf]

He's giving me liberal vibes.

[Tate Brown]

He's a panicking.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, there's other people who don't, like, try a Pannequin.

[Luke Radowski]

Get him out of here.

[Tim Pool]

Say, donate to me. Luke's a panic in.

[Catalina Lauf]

And then watch this www.catalinaforcongress emotional today.

[Tim Pool]

But no, it looks at.

[Luke Radowski]

Looks like I believe in freedom and, you know, personal responsibilities. Something that politicians usually don't know.

[Catalina Lauf]

That. What?

[Luke Radowski]

Something that politicians usually don't know much about.

[Catalina Lauf]

What do we not know?

[Luke Radowski]

Freedom and personal responsibility.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you guys ever fallen into that place?

[Omaha Steaks Advertiser]

The holidays can get hectic, and having Omaha Steaks in my freezer has been a total game changer. I recently cooked up their filet mignons. Incredibly tender, juicy, and packed with flavor. From weeknight dinners to holiday hosting, Omaha Steaks makes it easy. Right now. During their early Black Friday sale, get 50% off site wide plus an extra 20% off select favorites. Save big with Omaha steaks. Visit Omaha steaks.com for 50% off site wide and an extra 20% off select favorites during their early Black Friday sale. And for an extra $35 off, use promo code Flavor at checkout term supply. See site for details that's 50% off@omaha steaks.com, promo code, flavor at checkout.

[Ian Crossland]

It's where you just decide, I'm going to start lying now. And then you kind of just justify it for yourself, and you become that person.

[Tim Pool]

No, you'd be a liberal if that was the case. There's easy money.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I've waved through that state of mind, and that's what's happening.

[Tim Pool]

Look, come on. How much money do you think we could make if we go all in on Israel? Bro, it's dark. Stop ragging on Israel. You like that?

[Luke Radowski]

I got to stop talking about the Epstein list to five.

[Tim Pool]

Look, what if you did 10 tweets per day? You know what I mean? $70,000? Nah, they don't got a budget for that, but they might be, you know, seven grand per day, bro.

[Luke Radowski]

Come on. That's a lot of money. When the IRS took everything from me last year, I. I would have thought about it, but probably would have said no.

[Ian Crossland]

It's possible that this girl was wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Don lemon asked for $50,000.

[Luke Radowski]

Wow. Dude.

[Catalina Lauf]

I find that actually really insulting.

[Tim Pool]

Who does he think he is?

[Catalina Lauf]

I think it's actually, you know, no matter how much someone likes to argue here, it's. I'm really grateful that you have people on and people like myself, you know, we're really honored to be able to have a platform and to. To. For you to invite us on and. And to have these dialogues in this conversation because you're. We're reaching an audience that, you know, we might not normally, and so. So thank you. And I'm really insulted that people ask, well, so ask you for money to be on here.

[Tim Pool]

There are some prominent podcasts that pay people to come on the show, and we don't do that. We won't give people money to come on. Tim, cast Ira. We've talked about it, like, if there's a celebrity who's not a political figure, and we want them to comment on something, but we're like, that's what culture war is for. Because if they're not a news, it's not a person who's in politics and news and doesn't know what's going on. We get specialists sometimes on the show who will be like, you know, we had, like, white coat, white coat waist project, and they're not news guys. They're so specialists, so they don't have a lot to say on, like, Politics of Yemen, you know what I mean? So we try to reserve that stuff for culture war. The only culture war events we've actually offered money for is literally this one time for Naima. Because it is a stage event. We've talked about it and I said, well, it's not the same thing as asking someone to come and sit down, have a conversation. We're asking them to be in public with an audience selling tickets. So I think it's fair that the people who do request some kind of compensation, we would offer something. But Kat Tim didn't ask for money. Myron didn't ask for money. Michael Mouse didn't ask for money. Literally no one's asked for money. In fact, even Alex Stein. Alex did it for free, right? Even Alex co hosted for free. We lost money doing those events. I think we lost a little bit. Like we made it. We made back a good amount and we do it for the love. I'm here.

[Luke Radowski]

I flew myself out here. I'm here for free. Unlike what Kennell believes. But I think, think it's. It's important to have these discussions that I'm here because I love these discussions and I think it's important to discuss. I think it's important.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's true for all.

[Luke Radowski]

It's important to ask questions.

[Tim Pool]

But this is true for all of us. And this is the point I'm making with this tweet. When you look at, you know, David Pakman, his opinions for sale, like Hassan Piker, his opinions for sale, Hasan Piker is simultaneously pro and anti military industrial complex. This just makes no sense. He's like, we should be cutting off Israel because the military industrial complex in the Middle east, but we should be giving it to Ukraine.

[Luke Radowski]

And I'm like, I know, it's like, what the hell?

[Catalina Lauf]

Well, but then that's not principled. That's just grifter, grifter.

[Tim Pool]

I'll give Sam Cedar credit and that he came on for free. But Sam Cedar is a different kind of grifter. He makes videos about me, like non stop. And this is really funny. I'm looking straight into the camera at you, Sam. When I was sick for August, I was mercilessly sick. He didn't make one video about me because I didn't make any videos. His viewership dropped. What did it drop by like 20%. And his subscriber growth dropped by like 70%. When the man can't talk about me, he loses views. I'm so sorry about that. I know your kids need to eat different kind of grifter. But the rest of these liberals are literally like, I've got so many followers, I can make money now, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

Shout out to Stephen Bonnel, who, whether you like Destiny or not, he would pay for his own travel all the time. And he's been doing that for years and years.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but that guy's trying to get killed like Steven situation to bring him up. Hey, at least, you know, I can.

[Ian Crossland]

Point out in this one instance, he does pay for himself and never asks for money.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, Ian, I don't like judging people. I think one of the. One of the. One of the biggest critiques people have of you is that you seem to be willfully obtuse.

[Ian Crossland]

Of course, that's my position on the show at the moment.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. Destiny has celebrated death, called for killing of conservatives, that conservatives should fear death, and Hitler loved dogs, and then goes out in public for a public tour right after Charlie is killed.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, all that stuff. I condemn a lot of that, what you just said.

[Tim Pool]

My point is, you don't go on your show, mock people and praise. Mock people who just. Whose friend just was murdered. Praise the assassinations after you suffered criminal charges. I think. I don't know the full details. Where your kid is going online and insulting you and your wife left you and then you say, hey, guys, I'm gonna go stand in public. Here's where I'll be standing. It's like, we get it, dude. We get it. You're trying to. He. You're trying to get someone to hurt you. Please, no one hurt this man, okay? He's in need of a 5150.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah, he's not doing too.

[Ian Crossland]

I reached out to him a couple.

[Luke Radowski]

Years ago for him doing better.

[Catalina Lauf]

Let me ask you this. So when it comes to the financial incentive, when you come on here, especially like as a candidate, this is just from my perspective, right? Or anybody, you're subjecting yourself to a. If, if somebody disagrees with you, horrible comments. I don't even wanna see the comment section here. You're subjecting yourself to vulnerability in terms of. Anybody can take a clip and. Or misconstrue what you're trying to say, manipulate what you're trying to say, when that's not actually what you're trying to say. There's a huge liability in doing that. Yet people still come on here to have these discussions because that's worth the ultimate backlash. Do you think in their mind, they think that it's only worth to come on. I'm not. It's not. Right. But when there's a financial incentive, because you're putting yourself in that, I guarantee.

[Tim Pool]

You there is a number I can give most liberals where they will change their opinions in two seconds. Conservatives, Absolutely not.

[Catalina Lauf]

Right? They can just be bought.

[Tim Pool]

And I say this of 90% of conservatives because nothing's absolute. Because some. So the way I put it is 90% of liberals are grifters. 90% of conservatives are honest to their. To their mission. That means you can find some conservatives. But I guarantee you, if I went to anybody in the Turning Point building and said I would give you $100,000 right now, cash. Here you go, suitcase. All you need to do is, I'm going to film a video of you renouncing. Christ. They would say, never. Never. But I know that I can go to liberals a good majority. To be fair. Some of them may. May weigh 100,000 against their, you know, multimillion dollar enterprise and say no. But the average run of the mill liberal who's like, wanting to come on the show, I bet if I said give you 100 grand to be conservative, they'd go, okay, yeah, because you were.

[Ian Crossland]

Like two years of money for a guy making 50k and he's like, all I got to say is some lie. And then I can spend the next couple of years making up for it.

[Catalina Lauf]

Because they don't actually believe in what they say. There's no principle in there what they believe.

[Ian Crossland]

So I fell to Hollywood. Working in the entertainment industry. The whole industry is built around that. Say, sell this product. Say it's good for you, even though you know it's not.

[Tim Pool]

We're gonna grab some super chats because we went long, because that's what we do sometimes. And it's Friday and we're having fun and we're screaming at each other. But let's grab some of your super chats and let's see what do we got here?

[Catalina Lauf]

I'm about to ask for a text.

[Tim Pool]

Ambriel Brown says we can't relax. I'm reading super chats now. Ambriel Brown says we can't.

[Catalina Lauf]

Sorry, guys.

[Ian Crossland]

Amber, this is my favorite part of.

[Tim Pool]

The show, by the way, considering people spent a lot of money. I will throw you guys off the show if you keep doing that. Ambriel Brown says we can't release the files. The world would go to chaos. People will die. Vigilantes on the rise. Forget civil war. This is life for life and war beyond us. Yes, I want to know who's on the list. But the justice isn't ours. True justice will come.

[Luke Radowski]

When? How? I disagree with that notion. Justice could come now. We don't have to wait for it. And have some underwater 4D chess backgamming explanation. We could get real answers. We should. We deserve it.

[Ian Crossland]

My jury's out with me. Man. I think about lately how you create order by using evil once in a while and then you repent along the way. But. And this power of blackmail, this level of power that you could exert over big money and you know, big money's the problem. The Swiss banks, Bank for International Settlements. I mean if you've got dirt on those guys and you can somehow circumvent the the World Economic Forum's attempt at turning this into a corporatocracy.

[Tim Pool]

You know, basically every super chat is anti Luke read them.

[Luke Radowski]

I'm okay with that. They're just criticism. And I like Luke is wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Luke is wrong.

[Luke Radowski]

I love constructive criticism and I love to have these debates.

[Tim Pool]

So let's not about says Luke would burn down the country to get the Epstein list. Fallen angel says loop justice takes time for it to work so it won't crumble under examination. Especially with the corrupt judges in the court system. That's actually true too. It's the judges that are blocking their judges, blocking the release of these files.

[Luke Radowski]

They have the files. They could release them. They don't need a judge's approval for them.

[Tim Pool]

A judge blocked the release of the files.

[Luke Radowski]

The court files, but not the FBI files. Not the financial transcripts, not the records, not the victims, not the flight logs.

[Tim Pool]

Daniel Cole says Luke's view respectfully is naively myopic. He clearly cannot see the bigger issue for the Epstein trees. Dam tyranny is 1000 foot oak.

[Luke Radowski]

I don't think we're gonna get dem tyranny by releasing the Epstein list.

[Tim Pool]

What if they could use Felipe Brevard says Luke only thinks about his business model. He needs material to feed his audience. He doesn't have anything to lose. We parents do. Grow up.

[Luke Radowski]

What are you gonna lose by releasing the Epstein?

[Ian Crossland]

What if it's the ability to saying.

[Tim Pool]

If Democrats win, their kids future is at risk. If they could use I don't think that's correlated.

[Ian Crossland]

If they could use the Epstein files to repeal the Federal Reserve act, great. Would you be cool with them using it as blackmail to get those people to repeal that act?

[Luke Radowski]

No, I think Epstein takes priority.

[Tim Pool]

Oscar Oliou says I haven't super chat in a while. But please tell Luke normal people don't give an ish about rich people doing gross ish. We are worried about bills and dying from crime.

[Luke Radowski]

Then let's have an America first policy where a lot of the predators out there are hurting our children. Like I think it, I think it's a fair argument to make.

[Tim Pool]

Luke's just like slvrba. I can read the whole thing. Says people only care about uncovering Epstein docs so they can see elites who have or may done some pedo stuff. Only a small percent actually care to get justice for the minors who were involved.

[Catalina Lauf]

Look at what happened with Diddy today.

[Tim Pool]

What happened 50 or something?

[Catalina Lauf]

Four years.

[Ian Crossland]

Was that good or enough or not enough?

[Catalina Lauf]

I don't think it was enough for what he was.

[Luke Radowski]

It was a cover up operation for other Democrats were involved. They, they hit it.

[Tim Pool]

Neglectful Sausage says what about ism repeal the 19th?

[Ian Crossland]

No, that meme's done.

[Luke Radowski]

How do you respond to that? Catalina?

[Catalina Lauf]

Women belong in the kitchen and in Congress. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

What do you think about Anna Paulina Luna's bill to allow mothers to work remote vote remote from Congress if they have babies.

[Catalina Lauf]

Ana's a great friend of mine, you know, that's, that's an interesting one and I'll tell you why. You know the argument to that was, was against it rather was, well, we women, you know, women have to work and, and things like that. Well, she like for, as a mother, she had to literally go to D.C. every week when she had a, a newborn. What if you have a child has an issue with, you're gonna, you're gonna lose a lion like Anna over.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Catalina Lauf]

Something indeed.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, if you, if you want to open the door to Congress remote voting under the Civil Rights act, then the Democrats are going to say then you have to allow everyone to vote remote no matter what. And then Congress disappears.

[Catalina Lauf]

There should be a balance. And there was a balance in that particular provision. She had a, she had a limited time.

[Tim Pool]

Imagine, imagine any other job, you know what I mean? Like as a firefighter and it's like a woman and she's like, I'm going to have a baby and I got to pay me. I'm not going to come to work. I'm going to work. Firefight remote. It's like, look, you have a job and you're expected to be there. Don't bring your kid to work. That's like the crazy thing. The other Democrat lady was like, look at my son. He has to be here in Congress with me. No, he doesn't get a babysitter.

[Catalina Lauf]

Okay, well that was different. That was also, I think it was.

[Tim Pool]

Also the same argument.

[Catalina Lauf]

I think it was also heavily sensationalized on Twitter too. Like, I think, I think it's an Important thing, that was something that she cared about. And, you know, I think it was overly sensationalized on Twitter.

[Tim Pool]

Like, if you want to have a baby, quit. Men don't breastfeed. Like, this is this. You know, the problem I have with it is largely it's this gender neutral garbage where it's like, I just had a kid. I know I am going, I'm learning. And there are many, many more of many more kids than I did and know a lot more than I do, but, oh, wow, do babies need moms? And I changed my opinion on surrogacy, which was rather fence sittery, and now I'm absolutely opposed to it because newborn babies need mothers. We babies. Formula is fake. Formula is a lie. Formula is a trick. Babies are surviving, but they are not thriving. So this idea that we're gonna be like, nah, women can be in Congress and have babies at the same time. I'm like, I'm not doing this. Women can be in Congress all they want, but if you have a baby, it doesn't matter what job you have, you go take care of your baby.

[Catalina Lauf]

But what if you can do both?

[Tim Pool]

No, you can't.

[Catalina Lauf]

Yeah, look at. Oh, sure, look at Caroline Levitt. She's a complete powerhouse.

[Tim Pool]

Does she bring her baby to the stand of the press secretary?

[Catalina Lauf]

She started working three.

[Tim Pool]

She holding her baby at the press.

[Catalina Lauf]

Well, that's different. That Democratic representative did that, but she's not doing that. However, she is a mom.

[Tim Pool]

She hasn't asked to work remote.

[Catalina Lauf]

She had a baby.

[Tim Pool]

And did she. Did she go home and say, I'm going to zoom. Call the press?

[Catalina Lauf]

She worked like.

[Tim Pool]

So we got no issues. So we got no issue.

[Catalina Lauf]

Yeah, but it's more. It's the voting pro. It's more nuanced.

[Tim Pool]

Anna Paulina Luna said I should be able to work from home because I had a baby.

[Catalina Lauf]

No, she didn't.

[Tim Pool]

That was the bill.

[Catalina Lauf]

Ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

That was the bill. Are you joking? What was the bill then?

[Catalina Lauf]

First of all, what was the bill?

[Tim Pool]

What was the bill? What was the bill? What was the bill?

[Catalina Lauf]

What was the bill over a provision. It said allow it over a certain amount. It was like 10 weeks or something like that.

[Tim Pool]

To work remote.

[Catalina Lauf]

It said given the option to vote remote in Congress. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Which means from home with your baby.

[Catalina Lauf]

That doesn't necessarily mean that.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it means from the cafe with her baby.

[Catalina Lauf]

Yeah, she. Well, doesn't.

[Tim Pool]

I don't the idea dare say I should get a special class provision to. To vote remotely is so shocked. Shockingly offensive to me. I Called on her to resign. And I like her. I think she's a great member of Congress, one of the best. But if you're gonna stand up there and be like, I should get to work, remote. The tidal wave of corruption that opens for her personal issue is so shockingly offensive to me. My response is, how dare you go into Congress and say I had a baby? So I'm gonna vote on bills remotely when we already have a problem of Congress not showing up and spending most of their time fundraising instead of doing their jobs. That's why Congress approval voting is, like, 13%.

[Catalina Lauf]

It's more offensive to me to lose a lion like Ana over something that she felt so passionate about. Out of all the members of Congress, she's one of the few people who actually sit there and fight for the American people every single day on a national platform. She defends the president. She does her job more than, you know, more than 90% of the representatives right now. No, I don't want some loser from a member of Congress that does absolutely nothing, sits there lining their pocketbooks, doing whatever they want and being silent on the issues that matter.

[Tim Pool]

She can be in Congress and get.

[Catalina Lauf]

A babysitterhouse, and I'm sure she does, but that was a particular.

[Tim Pool]

So she was trying to.

[Catalina Lauf]

That was a particular issue. That was a particular issue that she was passing.

[Tim Pool]

Passionate about, and she was wrong. It was shockingly offensive that you would.

[Catalina Lauf]

Dare try, say, okay, well, I think it's shockingly offensive that we would completely disregard somebody like her over, like, everything that she.

[Tim Pool]

What does that mean? What does that mean?

[Catalina Lauf]

You said she. You called on her to resign if she wants.

[Tim Pool]

If she cannot work because she has a baby, then she should resign.

[Catalina Lauf]

That was over a certain amount of weeks here.

[Luke Radowski]

I don't disagree. You would vote against it. Can we read more super chats against me? Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just saying I want to talk about voting online. The position is, I struggle to do this job because I have a baby, so I should be able to work from home. Quit your job. All right. It's just Luke. It's just literally everybody that's fine.

[Luke Radowski]

I love or just don't show up for 10 weeks.

[Ian Crossland]

You know?

[Tim Pool]

This one says Luke is gay.

[Ian Crossland]

Read that one again.

[Tim Pool]

I'm kidding. It doesn't say that. What does this one say? Jake says Luke needs to remember his shirt says, America runs on blackmail.

[Luke Radowski]

Yes, it does the best political shirts dot com.

[Ian Crossland]

But isn't that evil? Aren't you using evil to sell T shirts?

[Luke Radowski]

What are you talking about?

[Ian Crossland]

You're saying something you don't believe in.

[Luke Radowski]

Ianism. Did you just pull off.

[Ian Crossland]

You're saying something you don't believe in.

[Luke Radowski]

That's another one. Ian. I'm sorry.

[Ian Crossland]

Or that you don't want. You're like, you're like using the negativity.

[Tim Pool]

To sell T shirts.

[Luke Radowski]

Face reality, please.

[Ian Crossland]

I just did. And you're looking at me.

[Tim Pool]

Katoff, Swaz. Lucas. Ignorant. Peace comes from the barrel.

[Ian Crossland]

That's Chairman Mao.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Luke Radowski]

Yeah. I'm not the biggest fan of the communists that killed tens of millions of.

[Ian Crossland]

People, but do you believe that peace is derived through strength and that means weapons of the day?

[Luke Radowski]

I think there's a two prong approach here. Like I said before, the answer is more nuanced. Carrot stick. And it's that simple. I think peace is more diplomacy. We need more carrot.

[Ian Crossland]

Peace is derived through force, but it's sustained through diplomacy.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody, we're getting close to that time. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram, Imcast. We're gonna have segments up throughout the weekend and all next week. It is going to be a special treat for all of you. And I'm saying that because what I'm actually telling you is I'm not going to be there. We have a series of guest hosts. It's going to be a whole lot of fun. I'll give you a hint without saying too much. I'll just shout out Matt Gaetz. It's going to be awesome. I'm going to be doing a bunch of promo stuff which I neglect all the time by traveling. And so I'll be doing that. Follow me on X and Instagram, all that good stuff. Catalina, do you want to shout anything out?

[Catalina Lauf]

Follow me at Catalina Lauf on all platforms. Catalina for Congress if you want to fight her in office. And we're going to be making shirts now that say Luke has Trump derangent syndrome. They will be available. They'll be available on our website soon, which is.

[Luke Radowski]

I have a good. Catalinaforcongress.com I have another great slogan. Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. I think that's a good one, too.

[Catalina Lauf]

We're also going to do women belong in the kitchen and in Congress because I believe that we can do both. We can make sandwiches and pass legislation.

[Luke Radowski]

This was fun. Thank you so much for engaging in this debate. In this conversation. Most of my best friends I argue with like this. So I appreciate the very lively conversation. It was really fun. If you guys want to have the conversation with me. You can on YouTube.com forward slash. We are change. I always have a very fun time debating conversing with people. So I'm all open to changing my mind. If you want to support me. You can get the shirt on thebestphotographshirts.com and I have a great supplement store. We are change shop. This is going to be it for me for Tim Cast IRL for now and I look forward to.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we're banning him because he has trumped arrangement syndrome.

[Tate Brown]

No panikins at the table.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm Tate.

[Tim Pool]

You.

[Ian Crossland]

You're pissing me off. Your constant warm up.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sick of this.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not gonna take.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sick of the graphene crap.

[Ian Crossland]

So enough of you.

[Luke Radowski]

Big deal.

[Ian Crossland]

Just kidding. By the way, I love this guy, but we're brewing some beef at the moment and it's going to be tasty.

[Tate Brown]

We'll handle this out in the parking lot.

[Ian Crossland]

Follow us both. I'm Ian Crossland. Real Tate Brown on Twitter, but what do you got to say, brother?

[Tate Brown]

Keep fighting, never surrender. Yeah, I'll see you guys next time.

[Luke Radowski]

I kiss already. Okay, I see the chemistry.

[Tim Pool]

Where are they? Following you at Ian Crosland and yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Eddie and Crosland is on Everywhere and at RealTape Brown. Everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

All right, it's time to get out of here, guys. Thank you so much for hanging out. This has been an awesome week. Shout out to the Turning Point team for hosting us and the guys. Andrew Colvitt, Jack Posobic and the Charlie Kirk Show. It means the world to me that you had us out here. You supported us to come and collaborate with you in this way. See, I said collaborate. So I really do appreciate it. Next week's gonna be a blast with a bunch of guest hosts. It's gonna get wild. Thanks for hanging out and we'll see you all on Monday. Sam.