Trump DOJ Gives Ghislaine Maxwell Limited IMMUNITY As She Rats On 100+ People w/ Kyle Seraphin

Summary

Summary of "Trump DOJ Gives Ghislaine Maxwell Limited IMMUNITY As She Rats On 100+ People w/ Kyle Seraphin"

Timcast IRL
Host: Tim Pool
Guest: Kyle Seraphin
Release Date: July 26, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool engages in a deep-dive conversation with former FBI agent Kyle Seraphin regarding the recent legal developments surrounding Ghislaine Maxwell. The discussion centers on Maxwell receiving limited immunity from the Department of Justice (DOJ) in exchange for providing information on over 100 individuals linked to the late Jeffrey Epstein.

Ghislaine Maxwell’s Limited Immunity

Kyle Seraphin opens the discussion by examining the unusual nature of Maxwell's limited immunity. He states:

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(00:28)

However, focusing on the core topic, Seraphin explains that typically, immunity deals involve lesser offenders providing information on more significant targets. He remarks on the rarity of such agreements, especially post-conviction.

DOJ’s Strategy and Political Maneuvering

The conversation shifts to the DOJ's strategy in handling Maxwell's case. Seraphin highlights the DOJ's unprecedented move:

"According to her lawyer and statements, she was asked about 100 individuals and gave up information on whatever she was asked about. And for this, the DOJ granted her conditional or limited immunity..."
(00:55)

Seraphin questions the DOJ Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch's assertion that this was the first time the DOJ engaged with Maxwell, noting:

"That's weird. It's like they're just playing chicken with each other."
(08:43)

The hosts discuss the possible political motivations behind Maxwell’s immunity, speculating whether this is a maneuver to derail Trump's potential revelations of classified documents.

Chuck Schumer’s Reaction and DOJ’s Credibility

Seraphin elaborates on Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s reaction to the DOJ meeting with Maxwell:

"Chuck Schumer is losing it. He's posting on X that no one should allow the DOJ to be meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell."
(07:13)

This unexpected backlash is analyzed as part of a broader political chess game, with neither party wanting to fully expose the Epstein related files but fearing the repercussions of their release.

Potential Implications for Donald Trump

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the potential implications for former President Donald Trump. Seraphin posits that if Maxwell discloses information implicating Trump or high-profile Democrats, it could reshape the political landscape.

"The Democrats are saying that Right now, too, that's what they're trying to claim is that you can't trust her."
(12:25)

The conversation explores scenarios where Maxwell's testimony could both support and undermine key political figures, emphasizing the precarious balance the DOJ maintains.

Eddie Maxwell’s Allegations and FBI’s Position

Delving deeper into the FBI's handling of Maxwell’s case, Seraphin critiques the current leadership for their inconsistent stance, which he believes undermines public trust.

"They actually spend a couple of years telling us something was different, like something very different was true."
(10:22)

The duo debates the absence of concrete evidence linking Maxwell to a broader conspiracy, suggesting that political ambitions may be clouding objective legal proceedings.

The Myth versus Reality of Epstein's Wealth and Connections

The episode also touches on the enigmatic rise of Jeffrey Epstein and his connections with powerful figures like Les Wexner. Seraphin details Epstein's questionable career trajectory:

"He was hired by Donald Barr, who is the former Attorney General's dad, Bill Barr... So all this stuff has been kind of like... There's a bunch of these videos."
(29:40)

This segment underscores the opaque nature of Epstein’s wealth accumulation and his deep ties with influential individuals, raising questions about systemic accountability.

Alien Vessel Anecdote

In a lighter tangent, Seraphin introduces a bizarre claim from the New York Post about an alien vessel heading toward Earth:

"There's apparently a report from the New York Post that an alien vessel is on its way to attack Earth. I'm not kidding."
(07:13)

This interlude serves as a satirical commentary on sensationalist media reporting, illustrating the show's characteristic mix of serious analysis and humor.

Conclusion

The episode concludes with a critical assessment of the DOJ's current trajectory in handling high-profile cases like Maxwell's. Seraphin emphasizes the need for transparency and accountability to restore public faith in governmental institutions.

"The real work of government continues on, whether we like it or not. And it's just not done on Fox."
(20:32)

Tim Pool wraps up by highlighting upcoming events and urging listeners to engage with the ongoing cultural and political discourse.

Notable Quotes

• Kyle Seraphin:
  "She's in prison for 20 years. What happens if she, if she gives a statement and Trump and the DOJ come out with new documents..."
  (12:30)

• Ian Crossland:
  "Let’s map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips." (Used humorously throughout)

• Phil Labonte:
  "TV was...." (Interjecting during serious discussion)

Final Thoughts

This episode of Timcast IRL offers a nuanced exploration of the intersecting realms of law, politics, and media, framed within the controversial case of Ghislaine Maxwell. Through spirited dialogue and incisive commentary, Tim Pool and Kyle Seraphin provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the potential ramifications of Maxwell's immunity deal and its broader implications for American governance and societal norms.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

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[Kyle Seraphin]

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[Ian Crossland]

There's conflicting reports, but according to her lawyer and statements, she was asked about 100 individuals and gave up information on whatever she was asked about. And for this, the DOJ granted her conditional or limited immunity, which is very interesting. Now, apparently, Ghislaine Maxwell is going to seek a pardon in exchange for information. And where it gets real spicy. Chuck Schumer is losing it. He's posting on X that no one should allow the DOJ to be meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell. Why? What are. What are they now freaking out about? This is the weirdest story. Okay, first you get the Trump people basically pumping it up throughout the campaign, we gotta release the files. Then they get in and say, no, no, we can't do it. Then the Democrats say, you gotta release the files. Then Trump says, okay, we're gonna. We're do it, and we're gonna go interview Ghislaine Maxwell. And then Chuck Schumer's like, no, stop. Don't. It's like they're just playing chicken with each other. Like, neither really want these files to come out. But I guess if you play chicken with Trump, you're gonna lose. We'll see what happens. We got that news. We got a bunch of funny news. There's apparently as a report from the New York Post that an alien vessel is on its way to attack Earth. I'm not kidding. It's actually in the New York Post. A potentially alien hostile force or something. You know, if it's true, Then you know, make fun of me.

[Phil Labonte]

I hear it's got the Epstein files.

[Ian Crossland]

On it and that's what they're coming to get them.

[Phil Labonte]

Actually.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Kyle Seraphin]

How's it going?

[Ian Crossland]

It's going well. How are you? What are you doing?

[Kyle Seraphin]

I'm great, folks. I used to be an FBI agent. Now I run a podcast and I'm also suing the government.

[Ian Crossland]

So.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So we're having an interesting time right now. There's a lot of FBI news, as usual, and pretty interesting to see that we're going to be talking about Ms. Maxwell. I haven't seen a lot of proffers happen after somebody is already convicted. It turns out to be not the way you usually go about it. Very interesting. We saw the DAG actually say that this is the first time someone from the DOJ has talked to her ever.

[Ian Crossland]

Whoa.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That was his. His public post and tweet the other day.

[Ian Crossland]

That's weird.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Very backwards.

[Ian Crossland]

So you brought a friend with you?

[Kyle Seraphin]

I did.

[Ian Crossland]

Who are you?

[Steven Stamboli]

Hey, I'm Steven Stamboli. I'm a Second Amendment attorney.

[Ian Crossland]

Right on. And so you also sue the government all the time.

[Steven Stamboli]

That's my job.

[Ian Crossland]

So we can have more guns?

[Steven Stamboli]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

That's fantastic. Right on. Well, thanks for hanging out. It's gonna be a blast. Ian's here.

[Unknown]

Hey, man. And I was thinking, I've been thinking of. The world is like a game of civilization on who guys are playing. I feel like we're winning. The American people are winning the culture war. This just. If we keep going at this pace, our culture is the best and keeps getting better. So it's just a matter of holding it together, keeping, keeping the country safe, keeping people happy. I personally like sc, so I use culture to expand my borders while I can, then use the production capacity to increase my science output. I feel like that's the best victory path.

[Ian Crossland]

All across the world, millions of eyebrows just raised because they have no idea what you.

[Unknown]

Well, the point is we've won the culture war is we're in the process of winning it. So hold it together. Keep reality sane and stable to the best of your ability. Because this American culture since TV was invented, I mean, it is like a skyrocket.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Dude, I just heard trust the science. That's what I heard you say.

[Phil Labonte]

Never mind government for the people, by the people. TV was.

[Unknown]

Yeah, the brain.

[Tim Pool]

Hello everybody.

[Phil Labonte]

My name is Phil labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Ian Crossland]

Here's a story from the New York Post. Ladies and gentlemen. Ghislaine Maxwell gave DOJ info about 100 different people linked to Jeffrey Epstein. Lawyer says notorious sex criminal Ghislaine Maxwell answered questions in the DOJ about 100 different people linked to Jeffrey Epstein. An attorney for the disgraced socialite claim Friday, following two days of interrogation by Todd Blanch. David Oscar Marcus told reporters that his client, currently serving a 20 year sentence after being convicted in Manhattan of federal sex trafficking conspiracy charges, was asked about every possible thing you could imagine. This was the first opportunity she's ever been given to answer questions about what happened. The truth will come out about what happened with Mr. Epstein and she's the person who is answering those questions. Blanche had every single question answered during the sit down. Max's attorney also said with the British born convict declining to plead the fifth. Now there's also been reporting that she was granted limited immunity. Now how does that. Do you know how this work, Kyle? You, you, you, you were a law enforcement.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Well, yeah, usually it's the other way around. Usually what happens is somebody is accused of a crime and so they come out and they get what's usually called like queen for a day or king for a day status. So they get to talk about whatever it is. They can't be held liable for whatever they disclose as long as they're helping some other case. And that's usually like small fish going after bigger fish. Right? So you want to get information about something. It's not very common and I don't know that I can think of a good example of where you said, hey, by the way, we've got you in jail for, or in prison for the next 20 years and you got five years of supervisor release after that. But we'd also like some other stuff that we never talked to you about previously. So maybe you could give it to us that limited immunity. I don't know what she would be liable for even because if you go back and read, and I actually pulled it up here because I was curious the, the, the, the press release about her sentencing, like her crimes go back to 2004. The window that she was actually convicted of trafficking young girls was 1994 in or about to 2004. So we're now 21 years away from the crimes. There was no statute of limitations on it, but at the end of the day, the only people mentioned in the entire press release, in the sentencing, in the trial, which was a month long jury trial, people forget, but she actually was tried and convicted by a jury like nobody else was mentioned. It was her and Epstein, period. And Epstein's no longer with us. Allegedly maybe.

[Phil Labonte]

Allegedly.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Maybe.

[Unknown]

It seems such an opportunity for them to go, hey, Ghislaine Maxwell said it was these people. Now put it to bed. Now, therefore, that's something like, dude, she was complicit in the crime with the guy. Why do you think she's going to talk? Why do you think she would give accurate why or why hasn't she yet?

[Ian Crossland]

Let me, let me, let me ask you a question, Ian. When a guy who's in prison all of a sudden says, oh, you know that guy you're prosecuting, he confessed to me, I will testify if you take time off my sentence.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, they can negotiate that out.

[Ian Crossland]

Like you said, those people, you better.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Have some, something that backs up more than just your words. If it's just hearsay or an overhear and you can't substantiate it any further.

[Ian Crossland]

So it's actually really simple. Ghislaine Maxwell, at first, the curious thing is she's the DOJ has never talked to her before.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Well, that was. So the, the guy who's the number two at the DOJ is a guy named Todd Blanche. Right. And so that's the deputy Attorney general and he posted this on X. He said no one from the Justice Department has ever spoken to this woman about this before. I actually think he said has spoken about her ever, which doesn't make any sense because FBI agents arrested her in July of 2020. You know, she clearly would have been questioned. She could have, you know, invoked her right to an attorney and just stayed quiet. That's possible. But no one ever questioned her ever. That doesn't sound reasonable at all. All of this stuff has been this like kind of like boomer theater for me. I hate saying that, but like, my parents are boomers and I love them. But like a lot of the words that are being used like, oh, there's like the, there's the, the Epstein files. And I think people think that there must be like drawers full of paper files. Yeah. And they have a truckload of documents. Like the FBI and the DOJ trade files the same way that you do. They're on a computer somewhere. They're on a server hosted in the cloud and they could be accessed from New York or they could be from, you know, the director's office or from the Attorney General's office. So all this stuff has been kind of playing on. There's a bunch of these videos. What's in the videos? We saw Pam Bondi basically saying over and over again. There's more and more stuff she kept hyping.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Unknown]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Kyle Seraphin]

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[Kyle Seraphin]

If you watch what happened from the FBI side though, Bongino and Patel were actually de escalating. Every time they sat down, it looked like they were sitting on pins and needles. They were like sitting on like a tack board and they were really uncomfortable because they were going to have to answer a question that their boss was basically saying, there's a bunch of this stuff. And then we ended up with that big bombshell that, oh, there's nothing. People lost their minds about it, which is reasonable.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, now we're here, I wonder if Ghislaine Maxwell is thinking, oh, so they're coming after you Trump, huh? I can say anything and it's gonna, it's gonna play, right? I think so.

[Kyle Seraphin]

The Democrats are saying that Right now, too, that's what they're trying to claim is that you can't trust her.

[Tim Pool]

Which.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's reasonable to say that to be.

[Ian Crossland]

Fair, you can't trust her. It's Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Kyle Seraphin]

She's in prison for 20 years.

[Ian Crossland]

What happens if she, if she gives a statement and Trump and the DOJ come out with new documents from witness testimony that says it was actually Adam Schiff or Liz Cheney and Raskin who were coordinating with Epstein, and they say, well, this is corroborated witness testimony. If there's, there's a million and one conspiracies about what's actually going on, one of them is that this is the pro Trump side conspiracy. The Democrats put unverified hearsay in there that smears Trump so that he can't release it.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

Because it'll be damaging to him. If that is the case, or even if Trump is actually in this, his opportunity now is to go to Ghislaine, have her offer up statements which can overwrite any existing documents and be the documents or put it in context, which.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Is probably most likely, if I had to guess, like, I'm sure that Trump's name has to be in the same.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes. But when Trump says, I'm going to release the files, he releases his files that he made right now in his doj that implicates his enemies.

[Kyle Seraphin]

There's a, there's a, there's a continuum of possible truth because we don't actually have access to any of the things that the FBI has, and they've obviously not decided to share it with us. So somewhere on, let's say the right end of this spectrum is the entirety of the criminal conspiracy was a man and a woman who were sickos that were going after young girls that were post pubescent, but they were underage. And that's what the trafficking operation was, and it ended in 2004. That could be the possibility. Like, that's one end of it. The other end of it is, is like this vast criminal conspiracy that stretches across the entire globe where all these global leaders are implicated and everybody is being blackmailed and there's sexual material on all these people. And so you've got that. And the reason why I think the Americans are so dialed in and why they're not going to let this go, which I think was a miscalculation on the Trump administration's part. I think they saw it and thought something was going to happen. They could use some of the influencers and some of the media People to just go, hey, let's just put this to bed. These people that you trust said no, that didn't work. And I think the reason is because there's these three things that are kind of hitting in a car crash. The worst case scenario, you've got elite level people. So people that have more money than God and they operate at a different level and we already kind of suspect that they have a different justice system. Then you have the possibility of corruption being involved. So government doing things that it shouldn't do and giving people special treatment because of that money. And then lastly children being hurt. But we keep saying children because that's what the, you know, the sort of verbiage is out in all the podcast fears and everything else. But we're talking about, if we're being honest, we're talking about 15, 16, 17 year old girls. They're very young, they make terrible decisions just like all of us did at that age. So but it's not quite the same as like imagining like an 8 year old girl. But these, it is a different thing.

[Ian Crossland]

So the documents suggest that Ghislaine Maxwell was asking, you know, young, young women and if they wanted to be models.

[Kyle Seraphin]

As young as 14.

[Ian Crossland]

So yeah, on a plane and then once they're on the island they're like, you're an underage hooker now you can.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Read like what they had them do. And it was very graphic in the actual conviction and it involves specific touching. You can it involved. I'm not going to read it. It's, it's illicit. So if people want to go see it, DOJ has it out there. You can go out and read the press release of what her actual conviction was for. But what it is very, very light on, in fact, to the point where there's nothing other than her and Jeffrey Epstein. There's only two people mentioned there. There's no co conspirators which would substantiate what the FBI put out. But at the end of the day you got a big problem there too because two of the guys that are running the FBI spent a couple of years telling us something was different, like something very different was true. And a lot of people have accepted these things as fact. And they've also accepted that this guy is an intel asset, that Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of intelligence service. And whether that's true or not, the actual thing that people continue to quote was something that Alex Acosta said, allegedly because somebody else quoted him. It's like second or third, I don't even know how Far you go out for hearsay. But it was apparently something he said during a vetting process for a cabinet position in Trump's first administration. And everybody hangs their hat and we're like, well, that's definitive. It turns out that's actually not evidence. That's like some guy said something that he said he thought he heard.

[Unknown]

What was the thing that got said?

[Kyle Seraphin]

They said that. That Epstein was an intelligence asset that allegedly got said.

[Unknown]

But no, he was.

[Ian Crossland]

He was told to back off because Epstein belongs to intelligence.

[Kyle Seraphin]

But that's again, that is somebody heard the guy supposedly who said it. And I haven't heard Alex Acosta come out and say that. He. He said that. So it's now, like I said, it's in the sphere of people just accept as fact.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, how come nobody's subpoenaing any of these people? How come no one's calling them to testify before Congress?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Well, you. I mean, it's all.

[Ian Crossland]

It's all grandstanding with binders and.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Oh, I totally agree with that. Because here's the problem. The reason is we already got the definitive statement from doj unless something dramatically changed.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Kyle Seraphin]

They actually said the case is closed, we're done with it. There's no indictments coming. There's no coconspirators, there's no blackmailer client list. And I don't know why you guys are still talking about it. And then Trump called everybody a weakling that still wanted to talk about. Yeah, so this has been like Mike Howell, who works over at Oversight Project, and he's there a spin off from Heritage Foundation. He was like, if you wanted to teach a class on the worst possible messaging of a public handling of a.

[Phil Labonte]

Case, like, this is the one.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It is so damn.

[Unknown]

You know, Trump is normally very, very smooth with his words, but ever since Abrego Garcia is like, he has MS.13 printed on his knuckles, and he's totally wrong. I think the shame is like, take this.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Either.

[Unknown]

Either he's on that list and he's using this to cover that up, or something is he's just living in shame.

[Phil Labonte]

Your point about him being really good at this stuff is well taken because he's a master marketer. He comes from the entertainment world, where, you know, marketing is super important. His brand is worldwide, and it's all because of Donald Trump's decisions. To blow it this bad is, I think, is part of why people are like, what's going on?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Agreed. I mean, it could be as simple as people have just basically downplayed it. Who wants to Be the guy that gives that guy bad news about something. Like, hey, we were talking about it as a lead up in the campaign. Your son hyped it, your current FBI director hyped it, your deputy director hyped it. You've got your attorney general out there currently still hyping it, talking about this thing. And by the way, sir, there's nothing there. We don't have what you think we have. And all we really have is a couple little documents. And one of them says, you know, it's either a Trump donor or a Trump in there. And it could be in a totally innocuous thing, but just having your name in the quote unquote files that everyone now imagines are these, like truckloads of documents. It's a smear at this point. So you look terrible. Yeah, Nobody. And it's not like we're dealing with honest operators. We're going to be seeing people from the left, which we continue to see throughout the last two or three weeks. They suddenly really, desperately care, except Chuck Schumer, who now doesn't want it, which, as you said, that's a fun reversal because a few seconds ago they were screaming about it.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, let's, let's pull this up. We've got this from the Hill. Schumer condemns DOJ meeting with Maxwell. Stinks of high corruption. Now, hold on there. Gosh darn minute. Democrats were demanding we expose the Epstein files. So the DOJ says we are going to dig into this. Trump says, get the grand jury testimony, whatever's credible, put it out there. They said, we're going to go talk with Ghislaine. And now the Democrats are freaking out. Could it be that they played a game of chicken with Donald Trump because neither party wants this information released and now they're realizing Trump's going to do it?

[Kyle Seraphin]

I think that as long as they keep this floating and as long as there's not actual evidence to put it to bed, where it's like, like they're not going to get the grand jury testimony out of Florida. We, the judge already denied it. They're probably not going to get it out of New York either. That's the way grand juries work. They're supposed to work and they're operating in secrecy. So you're not going to likely see that. So as long as you can keep that going, you're going to have people that are excited about it, they're going to speculate about it. It's a political win for them as long as it's out there. Because I was on with Alex Jones the other day and he was like, can you give me any good news? Like, is anybody winning? I'm like, yeah, of course people are winning. But you know who's winning? The people that are not in the news. The people that are actually, like, uncovering actual corruption which got done. People like Secretary Wright over at doe. There are people that are doing good work. You just. They just don't do it on Fox.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And that's the way most governments have run for all of my lifetime and all of everybody else's lifetime. Because you usually don't go and try to adjudicate your successes on Fox News every single night. That's not usually the way that these. How many times have you ever seen an interview with an Attorney General in one month? What's the most you've ever seen?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I can't. I can't even think of him before Bondi.

[Ian Crossland]

Never.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Exactly. You never saw Merrick Garland running out there and like, running to see if he could sit down with msnbc. Maybe he did a weekend show or something.

[Ian Crossland]

Unless they had some political smear to launch the last minute before election.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Exactly. That's it. It just doesn't happen in this way. So we're seeing something totally different. And now people are like. They're like, okay, if the, if the game has changed, then I want to see more like now. You need to give us total transparency. At the end of the day, the real work of government continues on, you know, whether we like it or not. And it's just not done on fox.

[Unknown]

I. My concern, it's a bit conspiracy oriented is that because you mentioned earlier how these girls that Epstein was trafficking and Ghislaine were trafficking were. I don't know if traffic is the right word, but they weren't pretty. It is trafficking, technically.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no. Literal trafficking is when someone is taken to a place to be forced to do work that they are. That they don't want to do.

[Unknown]

There's something about crossing borders, I think, that delineates between smuggling and trafficking.

[Ian Crossland]

Smuggling is when the like. So a person is an illegal immigrant, wants to come to the US and get smuggled in that smuggling, trafficking would be. They're brought here to do labor. So if you're taking young girls and tricking them to go to an island to do sex work, you're trafficking them so they.

[Unknown]

It seems like they weren't prepubescent. So it's not pedophilia that indicates prepubescent.

[Kyle Seraphin]

We talked about this Last week actually.

[Unknown]

It was a Phil's laughing. And I think a lot of people.

[Phil Labonte]

Involved, nobody really makes the distinction in their head.

[Unknown]

People are gonna feel like. The people involved are like, if this gets out, my name gets put on a list and people think I'm a pedophile. You know how pedophiles get treated so they're going to the ends of the earth to cover it up. When in reality, 14 year old women, age of consent in a lot of countries, giving a guy a massage and then he thinks she's 18, he has sex with her. Not pedophilia, it's. You have your own emotions about it, but like if we can somehow maybe lower the heat on it, it's an argument still elite.

[Phil Labonte]

It's pederasty, but it's still illegal.

[Ian Crossland]

And there's a reason why culturally it's pederastic.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I just want to, I just want.

[Ian Crossland]

To, I just want to say statutory rape. I just want to say something very, very carefully and clearly for you, Ian. The distinction you are trying to draw us is a lot about what you want because society largely disagrees with everything you just said.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's true.

[Ian Crossland]

Typically when you see people like Stephen King or whoever, you know, because he wrote those creepy books talking about that stuff. When people are publicly trying to draw a distinction between what it means to be sleeping with underage women, 99.9% of people in this country are like, why are you bringing that up? Because none of us agree with you.

[Unknown]

You're flying too close to the sun, Ian. I'm like, yeah, well you got to get up here. No, this is where the keys are.

[Ian Crossland]

No, Ian, you're telling on yourself.

[Unknown]

It's not. A 17 year old underage girl is not pedophilia. Not like a six year old girl.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not in this country disagree with you.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And it's also a strict liability crime in almost every single state. So that means it doesn't matter whether you know or not the age. If they are under the age of consent, it is considered statutory rape. So just so you understand like the legality of it, you get like you're sideways of it on cultural norms. I do understand the distinction you're making. There are legal ages of descent consent in other places, 16 years old, sometimes.

[Ian Crossland]

Even in the United States.

[Kyle Seraphin]

But in the United States, in West.

[Unknown]

Virginia, literally, we generally look at the.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Age of majority being 18 and then anything under whatever the age of consent is.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Unknown]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Unknown]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Kyle Seraphin]

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[Ian Crossland]

On the legal side this is important in 30 states and D.C. it's 16 so most of the United States and.

[Phil Labonte]

The reason is the reason they do.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That which is why that way 14 by the way in the only 13.

[Ian Crossland]

States have an age of 18 consent.

[Phil Labonte]

But the reason they do that is so that way 18 year old teenage boys essentially 1718 year old boys that if they have sex with their 16 year old girlfriend it doesn't ruin their life.

[Ian Crossland]

That's called the Romeo and Juliet exemptions and they exist in most states not why that's not oh 19 a 19. And so I'm pretty sure this is this is like Illinois is a good example. I Can't speak for other places. If a 19 year old is in a relationship with a 16 year old in Illinois, that's a Romeo and Juliet exemption because they're both going to the same school, they're around the same age or it's like they met in high school and the kid graduated. So they cut slack. I think it's, if it's within three years they, you get a Romeo and Juliet exemption.

[Phil Labonte]

So then why, so this, what's the point of 16 then?

[Ian Crossland]

Some states set, set it at 16.

[Steven Stamboli]

That they raised it.

[Phil Labonte]

It's broken.

[Steven Stamboli]

He was 14 for a long time.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Steven Stamboli]

Like I grew up in Mississippi. Right. So then they raised it to 16.

[Unknown]

When.

[Steven Stamboli]

Didn'T feel like it was that long ago. I don't know the exact date, but I, I do know that they raised it.

[Unknown]

I mean it's a weird conversation, but I like it. It's like age and time is motion and people change and grow at different rates. You know, that's, that's a biological reality. Especially with like hormones.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Right. Which why, that's why they put a baseline at the lowest level and say this is the, this is like those as low as it should be appropriate. It changes culturally. I get with what you're saying, but at the end of the day at the United States. The other thing that's really weird too is that child pornography laws come into play sometimes because everybody is involved with smartphones and transmission of images. You fall underneath the federal statute under the, under a certain age and you transmitted someone who's above now you're in really bad shape and you may be within the age of consent in your own state.

[Ian Crossland]

There, there was a story race.

[Kyle Seraphin]

This used to happen with Polaroids back, back in the day. There was a case when I was in high school, I knew a guy who had gotten a Polaroid of a girlfriend or something. It was a huge scandal in this little town. And like he was 17, I think she was 17. And, and they went after him for child pornography.

[Ian Crossland]

There was a, a story out of Illinois where two, there's like a 14 year old girl and a 12 year old boy and they were Snapchatting each other and when the parents got angry and because the parents of the 12 year old boy that called the police, the police said we're gonna arrest your son for child pornography too. Unless you, if you really want to go down this route because the law doesn't draw distinction. And the parents are like what? No. And they, they.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, it doesn't.

[Ian Crossland]

Scandal.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah. No, it's. And Your transmission. So anytime you hit anything that's interstate, then you start becoming every.

[Ian Crossland]

There was a. There was a story, every server and that.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So that's when it becomes a federal issue.

[Ian Crossland]

There was a story. A story recently where I think the guy was 20 and he met a woman at a bar who was 17, but she had a fake ID and they went and had sex. And then later, I forget how it came to light. He gets arrested. The mother of the. The woman he slept with who was at the time. Now a woman, she was 17 at the time. Then it was like a year later in court and her mom testified in his behalf that she deceived him and lied to him. And the court did not care. And strict liability. Yeah, they don't care.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And for what it's worth, I was just double checking my math because I had it in my head. But minor under the federal statute, particularly when it comes to images or anything like that. And transmission on interstate. So all your servers, you know, anything if you were to mail it, I guess that would also be an issue. Minor means anyone under the age of 18. But let's.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's clarify something too, Ian. Again, your distinction is completely immaterial to the fact that there were, let's say a 16 year old. Right. Was told by Maxwell. At least this is some of the reported what they were doing saying we're wealthy financiers and we can have you model. And they would go, wow, come on our private jet. Wow. Where to party on a private island with billionaires. This is amazing. They bring them there and say, now you can't leave unless you have sex with these men.

[Unknown]

Yeah, that's a little messed up. It's similar to what I don't want to drag Andrew Tate, but like Andrew. I was saying it was similar to what Andrew Tate was doing with those girls to come do his chat cam girls. And then he'd get them there and apparently would keep them against their will. Or that was maybe the insinuation. It's one thing if you make them have sex with someone that's like.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I will say this. The challenging thing about the Tate case is that those. I think the charges all failed every time they've brought him up and several men have testified in his defense. So say whatever you want about him. I don't know as much. Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted. Andrew Tate was actually. The charges fell apart.

[Unknown]

Yeah, the Ghislaine thing. And I'll bring up Lex Wessner. I don't know how involved he Was he runs Victoria's Secret or ran it at the time. And there was a put throughput, I believe from the Maxwell and Victoria's Secret. They were like buddies. I don't know the extent of their relationship.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So the way that, that, and this is one of the reasons why people ask, because it's like quote unquote unexplained wealth is the big story in Jeffrey Epstein's case. So just the quick primer on it is he was a teacher at the Dalton School, which is a very fancy private school in New York. He had no college degree and he theoretically wouldn't even have been in line to be teaching there. But he was hired and this is where you start getting into famous name theater. But he was hired by Donald Barr, who is the attorney, the former Attorney General's dad, Bill Barr. Okay, so Donald Barr was the headmaster, apparently hired Jeffrey Epstein with no college degree to teach math and physics. And then Donald Barr left. Jeffrey Epstein started his first terms, was there for a little while and then after he was there for a little bit, he inexplicably makes the leap from non credentialed high school teacher at very expensive private school to investment banker at Bear Stearns. And the claim is, is that the CEO of Bear Stearns child was either tutored by or one of his friends, his kid's friends was tutored by Epstein, saw talent and brought him in to Bear Stearns. He did that for a couple of years. Then he jumps into this asset recovery company that he created. And then somewhere in that couple years in the early 1980s, he suddenly is the guy who is in charge of all of Les Wexner's financial investments to the point where in 1991 Les Waxner, who as you said owned the Limited and then Victoria's Secret, was one of the companies as well. And the guy was a multi billionaire. He signed over his power of attorney for all financials to Jeffrey Epstein. I think the year was like 1991. Somebody will fact check me on that. But it's right around there, which makes no sense whatsoever. And Les Wexner also gave him the, the famous penthouse or the, the apartment that he had in New York City, which people don't know why he did that. It was like a 50 something million dollar property in the 1990s and he just signed it over to him free and clear. So all of that made people ask questions. That's where a lot of the intelligence questions came. In addition to the fact that Maxwell's dad had a bunch of people from the israeli intelligence service attend his funeral. So you've got all these strange things. It's tons of smoke. There's very little in the way of concrete facts. And nobody knows how the guy became worth, like, close to a billion dollars if he was. Because it's. It's. It's not the way people do business. You don't go from being a high school teacher to being a trader to being a guy who is then privately managing a billionaire's wealth. And then he also received flat fees in the millions of dollars a year, as opposed to based on performance, which is the way most people get. All of that's really strange.

[Steven Stamboli]

Who got his money after he died?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Who's that?

[Steven Stamboli]

Epstein.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So the estate is still out there, and it's been contested By a number of the victims that have claimed. And there's like, something like 150 or 200 victims that have gone out there and filed claims. So all the young women that were apparently involved in this, and they're briefly mentioned in. In Maxwell's. Going back to the original topic, they're briefly mentioned. I just want to read you, if you don't mind, like, from the sentencing document so you get an idea of what they were saying they did. They said that maxwell attempted to befriend certain victims, Asking them about their lives, their schools, their families, Taking them to the movies on shopping trips, and then acclimated them to epstein's conduct by being present as the victims interacted with epstein, which put the victims at ease, Providing a certain amount of assurance and comfort that there was an adult woman there. So all this was very grooming, like, behavior. And then they go on to talk about the things you said. Paying for travel, educational opportunities, Encourage them to accept epstein's assistance and whatever it was, Making the victims feel like they were indebted. So all of this is very, like, aggressive grooming type behaviors. And it goes back to, like, 1994, when he's already got a ton of money, and he's tied in with the people you were just talking about. So the story of epstein is. Is, I think, fascinating to people, Mostly because it's a lot of money. There's not a lot of explanation why he has it, how he got into those positions. His interest in young women, Whether you agree or not, like, it's younger than. Is acceptable by most of american society. And then you get to the final place where he goes into a jail cell and 30 days in, kills himself. And there's all this lore around it, which is far more than what you Ever see in the court document, what is this?

[Unknown]

You said Lex Wessner signed over power of attorney of his fine. What does that mean exactly?

[Kyle Seraphin]

He gave him power of attorney, which means that he had the same authority to make decisions as Les himself would with his finance.

[Unknown]

With his finance, he could invest all Lex's money in his own company, and that would be completely legal.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah. And what's interesting is he was actually. Apparently he left his job at Bear Stearns for an insider trading problem. He like, lends somebody some money while he was doing some insider trading stuff, so the tune of like 300 grand. So he got censored and he had to leave.

[Ian Crossland]

We got a quick. A quick addition, not necessarily a correction, but in federal matters pertaining to interstate travel, the age of consent is always 18.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And then when they think it's a man act thing, it goes back to the. Which was like a white slave trafficking law.

[Unknown]

And then the weird thing now we're facing is digital information transfer. Because if an image is seen in a state and then it goes to a server in Alaska and then comes back to the state, no one ever sees it in Alaska. It's just on a server. And the person only sees it here and here on two phones in the same state, technically, the image never the electricity left.

[Kyle Seraphin]

They literally do. They do they do that as part of the argument when they do these filings and they actually argue it in court that. That the servers exist in these places. Let's say if you want to do a federal case on guns, for example, they will make the argument that it is a federal matter simply because the gun was not made in the state that you're in, and therefore it had to be trafficked in there. So if you live in a state outside of Georgia and you have a Glock, then you have now found yourself in an interstate commerce situation. These lines are very, very.

[Phil Labonte]

Commerce clause needs to be repealed to fix that goddamn thing.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It definitely shouldn't be used as justification for federal law enforcement to be able to grab everything that goes outside of the state. And so in the case of what you're talking about, anything that touches the telco wires, touches a server, touches a cloud, even if you, like, theoretically are just you. To me, it's assumed to be an interstate matter at that point. It's the means of communication. It doesn't actually have to show that it went anywhere. And so just using that technology is enough to make it a federal matter. It's whether you like it or not. That's just how it plays out.

[Ian Crossland]

It's Friday. And Ian's here. So we're gonna jump to this next story from the New York Post.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Scott.

[Ian Crossland]

Alien, possibly hostile alien threat detected an unknown interstellar object. A shocking new study claims. It's the New York Post. The New York Post says a mysterious intergalactic object could potentially be a hostile alien spacecraft that's slated to attack our planet in November. According to a controversial new study by a small group of scientists, the consequences, should the hypothesis start to be correct, could be potentially dire for humanity. You think? The researchers wrote in the inflammatory paper which was published July 16th to the preprint server. Our AR XIV Southwest news Service reported. And here's a picture that proves it's aliens. Oh, it's actually. It's Galactus.

[Unknown]

Those are the Infinity Gems. He made them a lot of his body.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I like that. It was a small number of scientists in a controversial paper. Yeah, Doug 3.

[Ian Crossland]

You know what's funny is I don't know if that's an I OR AN L. Dubbed 3L Atlas, the interstellar entity was discovered on July 1, rocketing toward the sun at more than 130,000 miles per hour. Less than 24 hours later was confirmed to be an interstellar object with an initial observation. With initial observation suggesting it could be a comet measuring up to 15 miles in diameter, larger than Manhattan.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Could also be Uber eats Galactic.

[Ian Crossland]

However, in the paper, the trio of researchers suggested it might be a piece of extraterrestrial stone spy technology in disguise.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, comets aren't generally interstellar. They come from the Oort cloud. And New York cloud is technically part of our solar system.

[Ian Crossland]

And they're in orbit.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, they're in orbit around the. The sun. So they're. It's not interstellar. So if this is actually interstellar, it does make it novel because we don't have things coming from actually wamwa or whatever.

[Ian Crossland]

Remember that?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, the.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, the.

[Phil Labonte]

The planetary or. No.

[Ian Crossland]

Interstellar oblong object.

[Phil Labonte]

2017. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Or something. It's big long rock. That's what it was called.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I can picture the AI graphic of it, but I don't know what it was. There it is.

[Unknown]

I've been thinking about this. Can the spirits get angry? Do you think spirits can feel emotion?

[Kyle Seraphin]

What do you mean by spirits? You have to define your terms.

[Unknown]

Well, like your subconscious.

[Ian Crossland]

What? That's a. Okay.

[Unknown]

You know, your subconscious has like thoughts in its own kind of.

[Ian Crossland]

Lets map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[Unknown]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Unknown]

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Bon voyage.

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[Phil Labonte]

Turn right 90 degr degrees.

[Unknown]

I think that's like your radio receiver to the sub. To the spirits is. Yeah, but it's all come through one loud.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You think this is spirits?

[Unknown]

Well, I don't know if people. I've seen people call for the asteroid twice this week, and I wonder if there's something about.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I always thought they were calling for the sweet meteor of death.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Called the. It's called the Smod. The Smod. Two of my friends wrote that in on the presidential election.

[Ian Crossland]

Sweet meteor of death.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's what they wrote in. They wanted. They wanted SMOD 2024.

[Ian Crossland]

Honestly, it's the waiting I can't stand.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's really the worst part of it. That's what it all.

[Unknown]

It all comes down to. Hurry up and wait.

[Kyle Seraphin]

The worst part will be once it's announced that it's inbound, and then you have to wait for it.

[Ian Crossland]

It'll be the funniest thing ever. Just the funniest. If, like, come November, there's a gigantic ship in the sky coming, people are gonna take clips from the show, and, boy, are we gonna get roasted.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Put it in the New York Post. At that point, we're gonna have such bigger problems. We're gonna be trying to.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, no. The only thing we care about is our reputations. You got this wrong. Like, shut up. Stop making fun of me.

[Kyle Seraphin]

More room in the shelter.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, the entire Internet is. Is just alive with people saying they'll do anything to not release the Epstein files. This is the. The distraction.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah. And that's what happens. Early this morning, my buddy and I were talking and we decided that we need three things in this country right now. We need a better class of grifters. We need better psyops, which Elon Musk actually tweeted as well. And my buddy came to a novel conclusion that is also true. We need better conquerors or villains. He's like, what a. What a. What a terrible time to be alive in 2025. And like, back in the day, you used to have, like, actual strong men, dictator, evil people that would come in, they put people's heads on pikes, and we have like, Bill Gates, like, quietly plotting, like, whether or not we're gonna. He's got moocs population.

[Ian Crossland]

He's got a big old mooc.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Just doesn't look that threatening.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump can't lie. Okay, so. So part of me wants to believe all of the, like, the aliens is a distraction and Obama's a distraction, and, you know, Trump is fumbling on purpose because there's a deeper plan here and it's 5D chess. But I think the reality is Trump is just very not good at handling this PR disaster. And the most frustrating thing about it is there's probably a 24 year old marketing intern who could have done it better.

[Kyle Seraphin]

We should also probably also give the grace where it is that he's got to be exhausted.

[Unknown]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Because being beaten down for 10 straight years where everything you do is scrutinized. Like, the other day he went out and talked about how his. His uncle, who's no longer with us, was a teacher of John.

[Unknown]

John Trump.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Wait, what? You didn't hear this Tesla guy?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, the Tesla guy was a teacher of Kaczynski.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Well, that's what he claimed. The problem is, is that his uncle died in, like, 1985 or 1986, and Kaczynski was found in 1996. So, like, there's a big gap of, like, no possibilities there. No one knew who Ted Kaczynski was at the time, so nobody could ask that question. And he never attended mit, which is where John Trump actually taught. So that's not a true story. And at some point in time, when you start saying funny things like that and you're just, look, you get tired and you just start talking. He said a lot of things. He's probably Ben Shapiro's quote about, about Donald Trump, that when he dies, his tombstone will say Donald Trump. You know, he said a lot of things. I think he had a more colorful.

[Unknown]

Term for it, but it definitely seems like he's probably thinking, oh, my God, I'm gonna go through all this. And then they're Gonna use this stupid Epstein thing to get my name because I was there with Epstein because I've known him, and they're gonna try and.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Do me this way.

[Unknown]

I'm not letting it happen. Like, that feels what's going on right now.

[Ian Crossland]

If.

[Kyle Seraphin]

If.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, so one of the first things you learn in marketing when you're 18 and you're going to your first college 101 class is they say in almost every circumstance, your best course of action is to say and do nothing. And Trump is like, I'm going to do the opposite and just not shut up for two weeks.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That wasn't bad.

[Phil Labonte]

Hold my beer.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That wasn't a bad Trump.

[Phil Labonte]

Hold my beer.

[Ian Crossland]

Hold my beer. Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

No, he can't do it. This was the argument about Trump 1.0 as well. Like, a little bit of discipline would have gone so far if he had just not said some things.

[Ian Crossland]

And then. So people would have just looked at.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Their 401k at the end of, like, 2019. They'd be like, man, we're doing really well.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why I'm like, this has to be on purpose, because there's no way you go, why are you still talking about Epstein? Nobody cares about Epstein. You're all weak and you're not my supporters. Screw you. And it's like, well, now they're going to talk about it twice.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Ultimate Streisand effect on.

[Ian Crossland]

Right. And Trump knows this. Come on.

[Unknown]

And he must feel like, I don't need their votes anymore anyway. So the. That's out of orbit.

[Ian Crossland]

That's not true.

[Kyle Seraphin]

He doesn't need their votes.

[Unknown]

I mean, I guess you need the midterms votes.

[Ian Crossland]

In 2018, Trump was campaigning and the midterms. Because he said, I will be impeached if you do not vote for these people. He needs. He needs these midterms. Yeah, the whole.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Didn't they just come out and say. Didn't the Democrats just come out and say that they're not interested in impeachment because it would just be.

[Ian Crossland]

They are lying.

[Kyle Seraphin]

What are you talking about? They only tell us the truth, Phil. I'm not going to have that from you.

[Phil Labonte]

How dare you absolutely impeach him.

[Ian Crossland]

There's a.

[Kyle Seraphin]

There's just saying. They said it.

[Ian Crossland]

There's a. Prof. There's a profile on me and the company in the Wall Street Journal recent. Today, actually.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Oh, nice.

[Ian Crossland]

They came down and took photos. They were. I think they were actually very fair and very nice. I think it was actually, you know, considering how the media writes about people in this space, I would call it a puff piece, meaning, like, they didn't insult me, but they did say that we veer into conspiracy. Conspiracy territory. And I was talking to the reporter. I said. She asked me, like, do you think this is conspiracy? I said, no, I actually think I completely agree with the entirety of the Democratic Party and the liberal media on the Epstein files needing to be released. And for some reason, Trump isn't wanting to. So there's potentially some agenda behind this. And she still wrote that I was, like, veering into conspiracy territory, but it wasn't, like, insulting or anything. I just think that it is somewhat frustrating that finally the Democrats are screaming conspiracy, and we are all still conspiracy theorists now, even if we agree with what they're screaming conspiracy about.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So this is my. This is the discussion. I actually had this with your driver on the way in. You can agree with people and have totally different motives.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You could have the idea that you're like, that guy needs to go away, and it needs to happen violently. And it could be because you want to take all of his money and you're a thief, but it could also be because he did something really terrible in your town or hurt somebody that you know, and you could have the same exact goal or end. In the. In the case of the government, the Democrats, when it comes to, like, voting for things, they're like, there's not enough puff and government money here. We're not doing enough bloat. And then you see people on the right that are like, I don't like this bill. It has too much of that. They both vote the same way. They both get smeared the same. So whether you're being fair or not, if you agree with people that you're not supposed to, apparently so you get smeared.

[Ian Crossland]

So are we in agreement, then? We are hoping the aliens are coming to destroy us?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, I thought that was assumed.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay. All right.

[Unknown]

No, we are becoming aliens, man. We're merging with the machine. You think our probes are already on Mars?

[Phil Labonte]

Is this even a conversation? You're just like, every time anyone says, I don't think there's external aliens off on your own.

[Unknown]

What? We have the moon. You'd have to find a planet with the moon.

[Ian Crossland]

Guys, we have the moon. We do have the moon. None of this.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Any sense.

[Unknown]

With a moon like ours, that can create tides that will allow life to thrive like we are.

[Kyle Seraphin]

How do you know, though? How do you know?

[Unknown]

Have you ever been to the moon?

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, that was a.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So one of the. One of the best I remember I was driving through Montana, and I was listening to Joe Rogan talking to Alex Jones. And it like, you ever have one of those things where someone says something and it expands your mind and it'll never go back to the original size? He's like, I don't think that there's extraterrestrials. I think that all the things that people think are aliens are actually human beings from the future, because who else would be more interested in human beings than human beings at some distant point in the future? And I was like, oh, no. Like, I don't know that is true. And I don't even know that I believe it's true. I just went like, oh, man. I've never thought of that as being a real.

[Ian Crossland]

The theory is that Grays are future humans.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Okay. Do you know the story about the Grays with me?

[Ian Crossland]

No, I don't. You. So you met one.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I was sitting in my boss's office in 2022. My FBI supervisor. I'm on duty, and they've just assigned me to a squad and gave me no work. So he calls me to the op because they were trying to punish me. They put me on a national security squad because they were going to get rid of me. This is after my whistleblowing activity. They kicked me out for Covid stuff. Now I'm back in the office. I'm sitting there, and I have no work. So I, like. I refresh all my paramedic stuff, and I get called in the office. My boss sits me down. He goes, so, what sort of work do you want to do here? And I was like, oh, I don't want to be on a national security squad, so I'll do whatever you ask me, but I'm not going to tell you I want to do anything, because I don't. And he was like.

[Ian Crossland]

And it went.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So he looks at me. He's looking at me. And he goes, well, you got to pick something. And I go, well, I'm not really excited about it. And then I. Then I had this little moment about the Dolce base that kicked into my head because one of my buddies, who's also an FBI agent, was really excited about it. And so I look over, and there's a map of New Mexico. I go, maybe I can go up to the Archuleta Mesa and do some investigations into the Dolce base. Do you think I can get, like, a travel voucher to get, you know, some approved travel a couple days, go ask some questions? And he goes, what's the Dolce Base. I go, it's one of the dumbs. And he was like, I don't know what that is. And I was like, oh, they're the deep underground military bases. There's like a dozen of them around New Mexico. They're all connected with like, you know, like a cavernous cave system. And I just. Apparently there was a big fight back in the 80s between Delta Force and some of the Grays. And so, you know, apparently an FBI agent was actually killed in the gunfire. And so I would like to go and do an investigation of that, see if we can come up with anything and go check out what happened to our brother. And he goes, when you say Grays, you mean aliens? And I sat there for a second, I looked at him and I go, what do you call him? He goes, dude, I don't know if you're being serious with me right now. And I was like, me neither. And then I left and they never assigned me anything and now I don't work there anymore. They might have been firing because of the alien question. I'm just saying.

[Ian Crossland]

You mean you had an opportunity to get in on the X Files?

[Kyle Seraphin]

I tried. Tried desperately. That's what I'm telling you. I gave it my best shot and I basically. They gave me the blank look and by the way, I went to. They just were like, what are you talking about?

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, no, no. After you left, he picks up his phone, he goes, he's on to us.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Seraphin's out.

[Ian Crossland]

Seraphin's out.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Punch his ticket.

[Unknown]

I was hanging out thinking about the spirits and I think spirits, cuz they control the aliens.

[Kyle Seraphin]

When you say spirits, I hear spirit airlines.

[Ian Crossland]

There's.

[Unknown]

Well, I think spirit is like the guy playing a video game. We're the character in the video game, the avatar getting moved around and the spirit is the controller, the guy watching the TV of us doing our life. So when you see the spirits and they see you and you realize you're. It'd be like if your video game character turns and looks at you and is like, what the fuck? And then you can interact with your spirit, which is like all of human spirit combined into this one.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's like a fourth wall break. They do this in Hollywood sometimes. Yeah, and I think faux pas until they did Ferris Bueller.

[Unknown]

I think it's you aspects of you, but that what happens is you grow up, you get old, you die, and then you're born as a spirit and as a spirit, you grow up. And when you die as a spirit, you become a human and we're like in this co. Part.

[Kyle Seraphin]

What is the name of this theology?

[Ian Crossland]

Ianism.

[Unknown]

I don't know.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Raj.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

How well accepted is it?

[Ian Crossland]

Not at all. In fact, there's a general disdain for.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Would be accepted under Title vii. Just so you know, you can have that. Title VII would assume that you were sincere and genuine in your beliefs.

[Unknown]

Tax free.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, dude. No one doubts Ian.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, no, there's no tax free status for it.

[Steven Stamboli]

This reminds me of like a Rogan conversation. If he was high.

[Ian Crossland]

When not.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Right.

[Steven Stamboli]

I've never done. Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

When he's.

[Ian Crossland]

When he's.

[Steven Stamboli]

I've never done drugs. So I'm like trying to sit here and like, from my. A slow.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, here's the secret. Ian. Ian doesn't actually do drugs.

[Steven Stamboli]

No, I'm not. I'm not accusing you of doing drugs. I'm just thinking, like my brain.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I would, but not today.

[Steven Stamboli]

In the capacity of the. The words that you're speaking.

[Unknown]

It was kind of like Kyle was saying. Have you ever had a conversation that twists your mind open and then it doesn't ever go back? Have you ever given birth like. Like to a new thought? And it's like, that ain't never shrinking back.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I didn't use the gift.

[Ian Crossland]

The actual.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Not my words.

[Ian Crossland]

The actual origin story is around 2008. Not only did Ian have that conversation, but they grabbed him by the head and just twisted it into a permanent.

[Unknown]

That was the salvia that did that.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Oh.

[Steven Stamboli]

Oh, see? Exactly. Like, I've never done even that.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

DMT was where I saw the spirits. It was. It was like I was in. We're also in a high frequency.

[Kyle Seraphin]

What age were you?

[Ian Crossland]

Hold on.

[Phil Labonte]

Thank you so much.

[Kyle Seraphin]

We don't.

[Steven Stamboli]

I would need to do it.

[Unknown]

What.

[Kyle Seraphin]

What age were you when you first did this DMT?

[Unknown]

Like 44, 45.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Okay. I had an interesting phone call from my. I have a half brother who's got nine and a half years on me and he called me when I was like 23 years old.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[Unknown]

Honestly, Will, I didn't plan any trips, but I did switch to T Mobile with their new family freedom offer.

[Ian Crossland]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Unknown]

Well, I'm departing from AT&T and embarking on a new journey with T Mobile. They paid off my family's four phones up to $3200 and gave us four new phones on the house.

[Ian Crossland]

Bon voyage.

[Tim Pool]

Introducing family freedom. Our lowest cost Will switch our biggest family Savings, all on America's largest 5G network. Visit your local T Mobile location or learn more@t mobile.com familyfreedom. Up to $800 per line via virtual prepaid card. Typically takes 15 days. Free phones via 24 monthly bill credits with finance agreement, eg. Apple iPhone 16, 128 gigabyte 8, 2999 eligible trade in, eg iPhone 11 Pro for well qualified credits end and balance due if you pay off early or cancel contact T Mobile.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And he goes, hey, man, I was thinking about you. I just want to tell you something. And I go, what? And he goes, your time for psychotropic drugs is over. And I was like, what? And he's like, your window, where that would be appropriate for your mind is. It's closed, so you can't do that. And I was like, why were you thinking about that? And why would you think that was something I was interested in? But he shut me down. And so I. I'm concerned that you might have experienced that outside of your window and you're not supposed to.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's come back to Earth and talk about reality. We've got this story from Business Insider, ladies and gentlemen. Check it out. Tapp that lets women post anonymous dating reviews was hit by a data breach that exposed 72,000 images. So maybe you guys have seen It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, where Dennis finds out there's this app where women rate men, and he's got, like a really low score. He gets really angry, so he's trying to go around telling women to give him five star ratings. Well, this is going viral. And it. This was Kellen's idea. But we're introducing a new app, it's called Finder where dudes can rate women they date based on whether they're snooty or dtf. I kept the language a little light on that one. I did.

[Phil Labonte]

I thoroughly enjoyed when I saw the pictures of all the women that were on T, because they were exactly what you would think. They were all incredibly unattractive.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I was gonna say give us broad strokes here.

[Phil Labonte]

Just terrible looking.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Artificial hair color.

[Phil Labonte]

Some of that.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Most things.

[Phil Labonte]

Mostly. Mostly bad skin. And had never seen the inside of a gym. Don't exercise.

[Ian Crossland]

Hold on.

[Phil Labonte]

Say no to cookies, do you.

[Ian Crossland]

Are you guys familiar with survivorship bias?

[Unknown]

No.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So I feel like I heard what he said.

[Ian Crossland]

Survivorship bias.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Ship survivorship.

[Ian Crossland]

So a fighter, a World War I fighter plane returns, and it's got a bunch of bullet holes in the. In the back section and on the wings. And they Go, wow, look at where it took damage. We better reinforce that. You know, they didn't realize the ones that never came back, that's damaged somewhere else. Exactly. And that's where they needed to reinforce it. And the ones that took damage there, it didn't matter.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And so the funny thing about this app is I'm sitting here thinking, like, yo, if some woman dates a guy and then he's like, I ain't dating her, and he ghosts her, so then she gives him a bad review. If you go on the T app, ladies, my advice to you is you want the guys with bad reviews, because these are the guys who didn't string along and were not interested in the women. Right. Why. Why would you. Why would you want to.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Let's just say that that is a. An interesting tactic that you could take, but maybe not the only answer.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, sure.

[Kyle Seraphin]

But my point is, pretty sure that I read some of these. They were like, the guy who's abusive.

[Unknown]

Is the guy who keeps stringing the women along.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I'm tracking and. No, I understand. So it's an interesting point concept, for sure.

[Ian Crossland]

The guys that get good reviews, the women aren't going to want to stop dating them, and they're going to be upset when the guy breaks up with them. So why would they give anyone a good review?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, I'm. I'm imagining that you don't get, like, a solid review if you date someone for a few minutes and then you're like, this is for me. I'm getting married to this person.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Probably not on the app anymore. Or they might give you shitty reviews.

[Ian Crossland]

The good review is the one the woman dumped.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

So the women dump a guy and then say, you know, he was really nice. It's just not what I'm looking for. Good review. Then the guy who leaves them, they're like, why is he leaving me?

[Steven Stamboli]

He's such a dick.

[Ian Crossland]

He's a jerk. So the bad reviews are the guys they really wanted and the good reviews are the guys they didn't. Yeah, man.

[Unknown]

If the quality of your character was. Was relevant, of how horrible you've treated people in life, that would be these.

[Phil Labonte]

This app is definitely not about how people are treated.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's all about gossip circle that is being done in cyberspace. It's all about how those don't have real friends. If they had real friends, you wouldn't be on the T app. You just talk.

[Ian Crossland]

Or if they had babies.

[Kyle Seraphin]

If they have babies, you don't have time to talk about it either because you're busy dealing with your babies, talking to your babies. Yeah. There's a lot of misplaced, like, maternal energy in this. Sometimes you see it out there in the world where it's like that thing that you're doing that you are so passionate about. I really wish you were doing it for your child because that's what you're trying to do.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And we're like, we're a man only space in here. So I feel very comfortable saying that. But like, that actually is a woman loving position because we're recognizing a discomfort and an unhappiness. I see a lot of women out there. I'm like, God, I just wish you had the thing that you want.

[Phil Labonte]

Very good insight. That is a very good insight.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And that was coming from a place of like, like so concerned.

[Ian Crossland]

So I, I, I want to explain some of you guys. When I go places in public, I'm not trying to humble, brag or anything, but I get recognized quite a bit. And so there are some venues, I go, the whole staff that I'll, I'll go to a restaurant sometimes and when they bring my food, like, here you go, Tim. And I'm like, oh, they, that's, they didn't say anything. When people come up to me on the street and they're like, hey, man, you know, it's like, it's usually guys, if it's a woman, she's like, my husband's a big fan of yours. And I watch sometimes. That's how women act towards my baby.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

When my baby, and we're on the street, the women are like, oh my God, it is, I want you to meet your baby.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's like having a puppy, except it's better.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like having like a celebrity. You're getting in the elevator and the women are all like looking over and trying to see the baby. And they're like, can I?

[Kyle Seraphin]

And they'll talk, they'll talk to the baby before they talk to you.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, of course, like, babies are celebrities to women. And there's, and what irks me is that feminists have made that phrase an insult. I, I, it is in no way derogatory, disrespectful to women to say they love babies. It is, it is magic. But feminists get offended at the notion that men are like, ah, you love babies.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I've been talking about lending my 4 year old out to my buddy who's my age and single because my son is unbelievably cute. He has this like, I botched his haircut Because I'm a terrible haircutter. You shouldn't let your dads cut it. But, like, who cares? He's like a little kid, so I cut it really badly, so now it's growing out. So he's got, like, the surfer flow, right? He's super cute. He has absolutely no boundaries. He'll walk up to the prettiest women in, like, at a park or, like, at a restaurant. He'll start talking to them. He'll touch their legs. He'll just hang out there. Like, he'll sit on a bench next to them and put his hand on their thigh. It's unbelievable. And then, like, you know, then, like, my buddy Uncle Carl could run up and be like, hey, what's up, little buddy? Like, what are you doing?

[Ian Crossland]

I'm so sorry.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Is this your son? No, this is my. This is my. My buddy's son babysitting.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm so sorry.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I'm just being a good uncle here.

[Ian Crossland]

I am.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I also love kids. It's. It's.

[Ian Crossland]

I can't wait to have one of my own, you know?

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's called Big Daddy.

[Ian Crossland]

It.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It is. It is a reason why they made romcoms out of it, because kids are especially very young, like, probably five and under.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Women fixate on this thing for a reason. It's like, almost like they're programmed for that sort of thing.

[Steven Stamboli]

The whole feminist movement killed women, I think.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes. Femininity. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, absolutely.

[Steven Stamboli]

Who in their right mind wants to send their wife to work in a 9 to 5 or 8 to 5 or whatever they are now?

[Ian Crossland]

Not me.

[Steven Stamboli]

Stay at home, raise your family, and let the husband go to work and make money and take care of everything.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, like, bears.

[Steven Stamboli]

It's very 1950s.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Fight bears for it. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, there is the fact.

[Ian Crossland]

Fight the bear, you raise the baby. That's the deal.

[Phil Labonte]

There is the fact that because of the way that the federal government has treated our monetary policy, it's tough for individual men to make enough money to pay for a family and stuff. The incentive is all there for women to work, so that way the government can tax women as well.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Sure. Please, please, please.

[Steven Stamboli]

So I'm 46. My first job out of law school, I was making, like, 35 bucks an hour. I mean, I was just barely making any money. Even in Mississippi, that's not enough to live on. But we sold my truck that I had, went down to one car because couldn't afford to have two. My wife still stayed at home and, you know, took care of the House. She was a newly. We were newlyweds. Right. So people can make, you know, make a go at it with less. It's just that they don't want to. They want a brand new iPhone and they want nice cars. Like, I drive a 2012 Accord with 250,000 miles on it. But, you know, I don't have a car payment. I don't have a car payment. So, like, if I wanted to go buy a new car, I could go buy it, but then I have to pay every month for something and then I might have to say, hey, baby, I didn't make enough money this month because of Kyle. Right.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Because of me, probably. I'm not sure how I got blamed, but I'm for it. I'll take the blame. I'm happy to some reason.

[Steven Stamboli]

But, you know, and then she'd have to go get a job and go to work. But these people do not want to hear it when you say go down to one car. And I had my wife take me to work a lot of times as a lawyer after we had my daughter because we couldn't afford a second car at that point. And it was so important for me to have my wife stay home with my kid, teach her stuff. I mean, dude, my daughter is 13 years old and speaks Japanese, Arabic and is taking Mandarin right now. And she started her.

[Ian Crossland]

Her.

[Phil Labonte]

Impressive.

[Steven Stamboli]

It's unbelievable. But homeschool your kids F. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Awesome.

[Steven Stamboli]

I don't know. Can I say the F word on you?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Just leave it off, okay?

[Ian Crossland]

You probably don't wanna.

[Steven Stamboli]

Yeah, it's good enough.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So I mean, consider what he's saying, though. You take agency from people when you say the monetary system is set up, like, let people be responsible for their decisions. That's the thing that I think is the most lacking. That's the most conservative thing you can do, is turn around and go, I've made a choice. And the choice is, is that I am dealing with those. And look, the consequences of it is exactly what Steven just said. Like, you have less money, you have less things. You may have to tighten your belt on it. Probably everybody here has gone through a short a period where you're like, I'm not sure how this is going to work. And you try to build up that cushion. That's your job, I think, as a man to say that you are like incentivized. Yes. But that doesn't mean it's not something you can't overcome.

[Ian Crossland]

Wouldn't you give it all up to. For your kids?

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's the Other thing, men are supposed to be able to do that.

[Ian Crossland]

And it's crazy that we have this culture of just like me, me first in the gimme gimmes, you know what I mean? Good band.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Crazier. Elizabeth Warren used to agree with this position that we're having right now. Do you know that? Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

She used to be a conservative.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I don't know that she conservative. She was just a reasonable person.

[Phil Labonte]

She should know better. She should know better because she like. She used to teach economics. I understand. If I understand correctly, she used to teach economics in a teepee, in a tp.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Right. With the power.

[Phil Labonte]

Fair enough.

[Ian Crossland]

Fair enough.

[Kyle Seraphin]

She wrote a book that's called the Two Income Trap and I think it's co authored by her daughter. This is 2002.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow.

[Kyle Seraphin]

My number, I think that's the year my mother in law actually gave me a copy of it and I. You don't have to read the whole book, you can just read the back and know what it is. But essentially when you have two incomes in the household. So Phil, this actually goes to the structural piece you're talking about. When you have two incomes, everything that has to do with children, which we were talking about a second ago, gets more expensive. You're in an arms race with everyone that has two incomes. So if I'm a one income now, I'm competing against two for childcare, for public or private schooling, for the select soccer team, for minivans, for housing. That's bigger. So all those things become more expensive.

[Ian Crossland]

And it drives wages down, of course.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So because now you have more, you have twice as many people in the competition.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Here's the last thing that she actually made, which is a really brilliant point, when you had single income households. And I actually think she's right about this, which is weird for me to say because she's Elizabeth Warren, but when you had single income households, if the man, the primary income actually failed, at some point the woman could actually pick up the slack and get a temporary job with a skill set that she possessed and actually be a bridge. Or she could currently like be working a cottage industry and putting stuff away as long as you lived off the 1 salary. We got real lazy in this society. It's happened basically most of my lifetime where we wanted to see both of those salaries go into luxury items and a bunch of like conveniences. And now everyone acts like you can't do without a bunch of stuff. Like you actually could do without Netflix and you probably could do without Uber Eats.

[Steven Stamboli]

You could probably cook, eat out Every night. Wait, she haven't eaten out?

[Kyle Seraphin]

No. Probably.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[Unknown]

Honestly Will, I didn't plan any trips but I did switch to T Mobile with their new family Freedom offer.

[Ian Crossland]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Unknown]

Well, I'm departing from ATT and embarking on a new journey with T Mobile. They paid off my family's four phones up to $3200 and gave us a four new phones on the house.

Bon voyage.

[Tim Pool]

Introducing Family Freedom. Our lowest cost will switch our biggest family savings all on America's largest 5G network. Visit your local T Mobile location or learn more@t mobile.com familyfreedom. Up to $800 per line via virtual prepaid card typically takes 15 days. Free phones via 24 monthly bill credits with finance agreement eg Apple iPhone 16128 gigabyte $829.99 eligible trade in eg iPhone 11 Pro for well qualified credits end and balance due if you pay off early or cancel contact T Mobile.

[Steven Stamboli]

I don't know the last time I traveled, I don't even remember.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You haven't eaten a while to be.

[Steven Stamboli]

I know I've lost a lot of weight.

[Unknown]

So yeah, I noticed that with fast food in like 2006 or 7, I saw all the people that were unwilling to stop like because the expense. It was like same amount of food for like 30 or 40% more.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's way worse than that now I think too like you can, it's just there's a lot of interesting decisions that get made. I'm seeing it.

[Ian Crossland]

Here's where it gets crazy. Let's, let's, let's do this. Let's jump to the story. We have this story from CBS News. U.S. birth rate hit its all time low according to the cdc. This is a cascade effect that is going to compound. And so in the previous segment we're talking about how double income households is a trap. Shout out to Elizabeth Warren of all people who had been talking about this 20 years ago. But it basically drives wages down. Increased costs. There's a compounding effect to a declining birth rate that makes birthrights get lower and lower. And that is here's, here's a simple explanation. Why are there no more McDonald's play places? Because people don't have kids. So McDonald's says the amount of money it costs to make a play place is greater than what we will return. Stop doing it now for the people who have kids, they're going, well, we can no longer go there because we used to go there and the kids would be entertained while we ordered food. I mean, kind of good to a certain extent. But more importantly, the, the bigger example is traps. But yes, it's becoming more and more expensive for baby items, for baby clothes, for high chairs, for rubber baby buggy bumpers because the less people who have.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Kids got to do it. In an Arnold voice, Rubble.

[Ian Crossland]

I can't do it. So what happens is the less people that are buying it, the less volume is sold. And so the manufacturers increase cost to make up for a lost in a loss in volume. Meaning that it's becoming more, it's becoming exponentially more expensive to buy the items your child needs, which is a prohibitive factor. So young people say, I can't afford what child needs, so I can't have kids. Well, if I don't have kids, there's no demand for the products. So it gets more, more expensive.

[Kyle Seraphin]

The only way to cheat code that is to keep the stuff and have more kids. And they all use it, which is my tactic. I've got that.

[Ian Crossland]

But, but even in that, even that regard, what's happening now is people young. So I was talking about, we've been talking about how Gen Z aren't having kids. We've been talking about how there's no 18 year olds right now, so universities are collapsing. There's a university in Utah that was like 218 years old, went out of business because there's no 18 year olds to enroll.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I love that by the way.

[Ian Crossland]

And the reporting was that when the, when the economic crisis happened, nobody was having children. So they said, they said in 2008, 18 years from now, there will be a shortage of young people entering the workforce.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Interesting.

[Ian Crossland]

I never heard that. But I was one of those young people that was supposed to be starting my family. So now that I'm reading this news, being like, wow, isn't it funny that there are no 18 year olds? Like, oh, it's because I didn't have one. Why didn't I have one? I was homeless. I was 22, 23 and I was sleeping on couches or park benches and there were no jobs. And I tried and I started playing guitar in the subway to make whatever money I could. There's no way I was having a family.

[Steven Stamboli]

Was this 2008? Yeah, yeah, that's when I graduated law school in 2007 and got out right as the market crashed and was just screwed.

[Ian Crossland]

So I remember going to a diner, I saw a job at, on Craigslist for a dishwasher. And I walked in and the guy in front of me was wearing a suit with a briefcase. And I heard him hand, he, he, as I was waiting to talk to the person at the counter, he hands a resume and goes, I'm here about the dishwasher position. And then I turned around and walked out. And I was like, holy crap. Although I was told later that was stupid because they probably would rather hire me than a guy in a suit now.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So here's the thing. My buddy Steve Friend is in this position right now. He got kicked out of the bureau. He's looking around for a job. He goes, and it's like, he's a former cop. He's a Notre Dame graduate. He worked as an FBI agent for almost 10 years. He had a top secret clearance. He goes, and you hand that into like a security position. They're not going to hire you for that. Like, they're not going to hire you to do security. They're not going to hire you to manage some, like a grocery store or something. They're going to be like, dude, you were a freaking FBI agent for a decade. Like, you're going to leave this. So they won't hire you. They won't hire the guy with the briefcase to do dishwashing. I wouldn't.

[Ian Crossland]

You know what the problem is with, you know why the birthright's declining? Women?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well, feminism.

[Ian Crossland]

Feminism. But women could decide at any moment to tell men, you ain't getting on wherever. Like, I want marriage and I want a family, but I, I, I'm being.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Somewhat, I know we could go upstream of that and say, the dads need to be teaching that too.

[Ian Crossland]

So I'm being, I think I'm being intentionally inflammatory, but it is, but it is feminism. It is this idea that women can be promiscuous. There's this. There was an article in the New York Times called the Trouble with Wanting Men. And it starts with a writer for the New York Times being like, I went on a date with a guy. And then she goes on to describe the date. Then they went back to his place, had sex. And then a week later he says, I'm not interested. And she's like, men are awful. And I'm like. Or he's thinking, look, I want to find a wife. And you ain't it you. Are you a hoe? You know what I mean?

[Kyle Seraphin]

There's this, this viral video that went out this week. You probably saw it. It's a pretty white lady. She's talking about being 32 years old. She's been married for a decade. She's got nothing wrong with her life, but she doesn't know who she is, and she hasn't been able to find herself. And so she wants to leave her husband. And so we got it mapped it out. You want to play it?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Here we go. It's so unsettling.

[Ian Crossland]

I told my husband I wanted a divorce. I walked myself through the logistics of where would I live, how would we split the time with the kids, who gets the dog.

[Tim Pool]

I feel like I have been searching.

[Kyle Seraphin]

For something in my relationship that we.

[Ian Crossland]

Don'T have for the whole time we've.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Been married, which has been 10 years.

[Ian Crossland]

There is not a single thing about my husband in and of himself, that I do not love. He.

[Tim Pool]

He is the most self disciplined, loyal.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Hard working, good person that you could.

[Ian Crossland]

Meet on this planet. Our relationship and what my expectations are for my marriage and what they always have been are not met. I can't be myself with my husband. And it's really confusing because I'm 32 years old, I am a mom of three, and I still don't know who I am.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Them.

[Ian Crossland]

I told my husband I wanted a divorce.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Here's the worst thing in all of that. She says I can't be myself around my husband, and I actually don't know who that person is. Not one thing that I hear was I have three children. I have an obligation to provide them a stable home and that those people are the most important thing, that my entire biological purpose is geared towards rearing them and making them successful humans.

[Ian Crossland]

How?

[Kyle Seraphin]

She never said it.

[Ian Crossland]

How about this Bait. Tell me why every day I go.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Out looking adorable, tits bouncing, skin glistening.

[Ian Crossland]

And yet nobody ever hits on me or approaches me ever. Feminism.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's the red hair. I was gonna say, please.

[Ian Crossland]

It's feminism.

[Kyle Seraphin]

She looks crazy. Worker cat call at this point.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, it's funny. Remember 10 years ago when a woman couldn't walk down the street in New York without getting cat called right?

[Phil Labonte]

Women.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, they turned that off. They said, guys, stop.

[Phil Labonte]

I tweeted about this. Today, women will ask for something and then they will be miserable when they get it. It's like you're dealing with children. Honestly, it really is.

[Ian Crossland]

So that's why they said women and children first.

[Phil Labonte]

That's right.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Because.

[Phil Labonte]

Because if you tried to. If the men got out of there, the women and children would all die. Obviously, you know, but it's true. I mean, if you had a generation.

[Kyle Seraphin]

We'Re all getting Canceled for this.

[Phil Labonte]

I've been canceled so many times. You had a generation of women that were just complaining about men all the time, saying men are so terrible and you still hear them complain about it. And so men have said, well, okay then I don't want to talk to you then. I'm not gonna go hang out with you. I don't wanna, you know, it's like, you've got tattoos. You're probably a progressive woman. I don't want to talk to you. You, you, you do, you, you hang out in these areas. You're probably this kind of woman. I don't want to talk about, like.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Look at the things that she thinks that made her desirable. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Which is bouncing right.

[Kyle Seraphin]

She's like, oh, look like you see me as a sexual object here. I am a sexual object. And none of it was like, I'm a really nice person. I'm super fun to hang out with. Like, I'm really loyal.

[Steven Stamboli]

She's probably not this.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to, I want to, I want to stress this point. I do believe, I do believe there's a factor in younger guys that are moving to the right and they look at a woman like this and they think she's liberal. I can't have a family with her. She's probably a feminist and she looks like she's promiscuous. I want a woman who's going to be loyal, faithful, and not just sexually.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I mean, look at her attitude though. To be fair, that's a quitter attitude.

[Phil Labonte]

There was a long time where I was, you know, I was single, I didn't date anyone, and I was probably single for like two or three years because I didn't meet a woman that was the type of woman that I wanted to date. Right. And it's like some dudes are just like, well, I'll go ahead and date whoever. But those dudes are becoming fewer and fewer, you know, and I, I met my girlfriend last year and we're super happy and she's great, but she wants to be a stay at home mom and she doesn't consider herself a feminist and she's not a progressive. And, and so she checked all the boxes that I was looking for.

[Kyle Seraphin]

There's more and more liability too probably going out there if you're just going to be jumping from relationship to relationship or, you know, fling to fling in, in an Internet world, in a, in a world of, you're immediately assumed to be the aggressor and all kinds of the sort of default positions against you. Yeah, that sounds Like, I, I, I absolutely have so much pity for young men right now that are in this thing, and young women too, because they're going to have terrible outflow.

[Ian Crossland]

Look at church.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I've got three daughters and one son, so I can see both of them growing up. And I look around at what's out there. When we go to our community pool, when we walk through the grocery store, and I'm like, God bless it, go to church. You want to go see some wholesome looking people? Go to a freaking traditional Latin mass. We went and started doing that down at the cathedral in downtown Austin. And you're going to see a totally different caliber of human being. They may not always be the most attractive, but the other thing is this. And, and you tell me this because this is going to be in your world pretty soon. How many of you guys actually remember being taught what the purpose of dating was? Or did you figure it out as an adult?

[Ian Crossland]

But what do you mean, the purpose of dating?

[Kyle Seraphin]

What is the checklist that you were. What are you, what are you trying to accomplish? Like, what are you looking for? And how do you assess whether that thing is a win or not? Well, not a T app, but how do you know, like, what am I looking for, for compatibility? Am I looking at attractiveness?

[Ian Crossland]

There's an important point in this, in that dating. When, when, you know, when I was growing up and I would watch these movies, going steady dating meant you could be dating 10 guys.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Correct.

[Ian Crossland]

They would come to your house, you'd go see a movie, and then you'd watch the movie, share popcorn, and he'd be a gentleman and walk you back to your door. The next day you'd go on a date with a different guy.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Then once you figured out that you really liked one of those guys, the woman would go steady. And that would be the, There'd be.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Like a letterman jacket involved in that maybe.

[Ian Crossland]

And they'd be like, wow, you're going steady, meaning you're no longer dating. Yeah. You're now in a, you're going steady. And that's moving towards proposal, then engagement, and then marriage by 20 years old.

[Phil Labonte]

The, the, like, that was one of the conversations that I had with, with Sarah. I was like, look, you know, I'm, I'm, if I'm gonna date someone, I'm dating with intent. The intent is to have a family, to get married and those kind of things. If that's not something you're into you, I'm not the guy for you. Yeah, that was, and that was a, that was a conversation. And like, before we were even, like, really dating, like, we were.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You figured that out as an adult. Yeah, and.

[Ian Crossland]

And I.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And my point to you is that I don't think that we're teaching young men. I don't think we're teaching young women as a society. That there is actually a reason.

[Phil Labonte]

Who is teaching young men?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Right. Well, women. And what is. They're saying what they want.

[Phil Labonte]

Single women, single mothers and female teachers are teaching young men. If there's. And this is a. This is a meme now, but if there's a problem with young men, it is because of women.

[Ian Crossland]

And wait, there's more. Most journalists are female.

[Kyle Seraphin]

True.

[Ian Crossland]

And most female journalists are single, unmarried, and living in New York.

[Phil Labonte]

100%.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah. Like, I'm. I'm 24 and I started, like, seriously dating recently. I have no idea what I'm doing.

[Ian Crossland]

Go to church.

[Kyle Seraphin]

But listen, I go to church every week. What. What if there was. That's a very salient question.

[Ian Crossland]

What? The church is all.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, it's bad, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

So here one woman walks in and they all tackle her, basically.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, but you also have to. Yeah, so it's. Go to church is a place to meet people. Right. It used to be friend groups. That's how you meet people. That's how I met my wife was through friends. But having a rubric to actually evaluate. So, okay, you say, I want a family, but what does that look like? It's like, we have to share values. We have to share a view of the future, and we have to be willing to, like, make that other person's view of the future our own. If you're not into that, if you don't have those things going, if you can't assess those things, then you don't even know what you're asking. You're going out there and like I said, like, I'll remember I was a kid in the 80s. Your girlfriend was, like, the prettiest girl that would willingly spend time with you. That's what a girlfriend was about. Am I wrong? It was like, who's pretty? Is someone prettier than that person? Like, that's not a good criteria when it comes to matching and having a financial future and having a family and raising children in a view.

[Ian Crossland]

And. And the problem right now is it used to be throughout all of human history that a young boy and young girl grew up in the same place or similar place. They had very similar jobs. A guy meets a woman. What do you do? I work with my mom and take care of the farm animals. I churn the butter. Oh, my mom did that. My sister does that. That's what I'm looking for. What do you do? I chop lumber. I chop wood and start fires and go hunting. It's like, that's what my dad did, my brothers do. I'm looking for that now. A dude from New York who is an accountant and went to school hoping to be a lawyer, but never finished and just fizzled out.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Feels very specific.

[Ian Crossland]

Meets a woman who is from California who used to surf all the time. And they're like, maybe this will work. And it's like, dude, you guys could not be more different.

[Kyle Seraphin]

But if you had. So, yeah, you know, the backstory is part of it. But again, if they shared the same values, if they shared the same sort of view of the future, then that maybe works. But if they don't have that, if she comes from a different type of family that doesn't actually see that as a value, or maybe he doesn't know that's what he wants or anything. We're not training our children. And I think.

[Ian Crossland]

But I'm. But I'm describing urban society, because if you live in a rural area, you are still more likely to have a similar life to the average human. Yeah, you live in a rural area, probably got backyard chickens, probably still taking care of animals, probably still chopping wood, probably still going to church. You live in these cities, and you could live one block away from someone, and you're a metalhead who works at an accounting firm, and you meet a chick who is. She's a teacher who studied feminist dance, and you're like, I went on a date. I met a chick on Tinder. She was pretty, but holy crap, did we not get along right now, if you're. If you live in, you know, West Virginia, you're going to have a lot of similarities in the places you go, the things you see in your traditional and the traditional values. This is one of the biggest barriers, I think, to young people right now getting married is how different everyone's become based on. Because of the Internet, largely.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I think that living in cities is probably one of the, like. Everyone tends to go do that when they're younger. They think that's where the action is. So they go, but I've got a sister who's just a couple years younger than me. She's single. She lives in New York City. She makes really good money. She thinks that's really important. And I was trying to. At one point, I tried to give her this, like, advice, which you know. You know, good big brother advice goes. But I was like, dude, go down to the bar where the firefighters hang out. Ask one of them, are one of your friends single? And can I take him on a date? Like, go meet a man who's masculine. Because what you described, too, is a testosterone differential, too. Because testosterone is necessary for certain things, and it certainly goes away in a lot of the urban core. It doesn't mean there's not dudes that are. That are not masculine. But at the end of the day, it's such a. It's. I can't go into a city anymore, like, and look around and go like, oh, yeah, this is good. I look around and I see threats to my babies. I mean, that's what I see. I'm like, I might have to kill that crackhead. I may have to go and fight this dude. Like, I don't know what's happening here. I don't understand, like, all the dynamics of it. There's people driving recklessly. There's people that are drinking in the middle of the day.

[Ian Crossland]

Explain it to Ian.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Oh, my God.

[Ian Crossland]

A. A health bar and a level number and sometimes a skull next to everyone's heads.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Oh, but I have a bunch of them that I'm responsible for. Are.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep. And those are green. And the bad guys are red.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Potentially.

[Unknown]

He sees green bars outlined that, you know, like.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, safe zones to go there. Yeah, for sure.

[Unknown]

Like, threat zones. Do you see threat zones?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah. And here's the thing.

[Unknown]

Get there.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I drive a big old truck right now, which I'm pretty thrilled about. And my wife and I were talking about our minivan, and I was like, do you want, like, an A team van with a huge push bar in front of it? Because, like, that's what I think is safe.

[Ian Crossland]

I'll catch her.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah. I want to throw.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you seen that?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Throw people out of the way.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you seen. There's that meme where it's like, what a man is thinking walking through a mall with his girlfriend. And he's like, I got an exit behind me. I got two exits in front of me. There's stairs to my left. That man in front of me looks like he might be reaching for something. And then it shows the men. She goes.

[Kyle Seraphin]

There'S another one where they played Gwen Stefani. I'm just a girl in the world. Same sort of attitude, though.

[Phil Labonte]

Don't want to have to think about it. They want to rely on you.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Listen, I was at fine, because that's what. If you sign up for that and that's what you want.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what my dad would do because he was a marine and a firefighter. Whenever we'd go somewhere, he'd be like, where are your exits? And then I'd look around and he'd be like, always know.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Your exits are just teaching you situational awareness, which is what young men need to do. And then here's the other thing, which is something I've been teaching my kiddos. It's like when I say, we're moving, we're leaving. If I tell my wife that you cannot freeze, you gotta go. You don't have to know what happens next. You have to be able to go with me. If I tell you there's danger, we're leaving.

[Steven Stamboli]

I was in Athens with my wife and daughter and we were living in Athens for a little bit and we were walking through like the square, right? Athens, people protest all the time. Athens, Greece.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Steven Stamboli]

Protest non stop. And so all of a sudden we see these incoming rounds of like tear gas hitting and exploding and everything's going on and I pick my daughter up and start carrying away. What does my wife do? She gets out her cell phone, starts recording right here and just like it's filming. I've got the video, dude. I'll have to share it with you. And I'm like, what are you doing?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Like, that's terrifying.

[Steven Stamboli]

Let's go, let's go.

[Kyle Seraphin]

How many people have just completely lost survival instincts though? And that's where they go. They go straight to the phone. They walk around. I watched somebody get run over by a freaking earth mover the other day. Did you see this in like New York City? Like she got thumped by the, by the bucket and then she got run over because she was looking at a text message. Like it can't be that important when.

[Unknown]

You'Re walking while she was doing it.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, dude.

[Unknown]

Stand still while you're looking at your phone in the city.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Find a thing and put your back to it. Back against the wall.

[Unknown]

Stand still.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's, it's such an unnatural and illogical thing for human beings to do in a high threat environment where there's like other people, there's moving objects, there's all this other, like all these things could have. There's holes, there's manholes that are not well secured. And you're just going to walk around and put your face into this thing. My, my, my nightmare is when I don't know where I'm going in an urban area and I have to look at my phone for like directions. It's GPSing me and I'm like, oh God, I hate breaking focus and looking down at that thing because I like that's when bad things literally.

[Unknown]

I'll try building to do it and like down and up. Like I'm driving the potential threats coming at me.

[Ian Crossland]

We just bought a bunch of those anti choke devices for babies.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Explain what that is. I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a mask. You put over the bait. You squeeze it and put over and then like you, when you squeeze it, it pull it sucks. So if the baby's choking.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Okay.

[Ian Crossland]

Something.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's a suction device.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Because baby is at the point where she's just jamming anything she can find in her mouth.

[Kyle Seraphin]

The best.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I still remember how a lot of things.

[Ian Crossland]

Both hands.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Boys.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Especially when you like look over and you're like, you're like, oh, okay, it's good. And then you look over and it's like your child is ingesting like a quarter for some reason.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And you're thinking like, what would make you do that? I've literally told my kids, kids, you know, I've watched a couple of them go through that phase and it's like, hey, take that out of your mouth. And they're like, got it. You mean permanently? Because I'm about to go eat it right now again, as soon as you walk away.

[Phil Labonte]

Permanently.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You should have taken that from me. You knew better. Yes, that's your fault, dad.

[Phil Labonte]

That's funny. But yeah, I mean, the babies just shove stuff in their mouths.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's what they do. That's what babies did.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, baby proofing is serious business.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I had a. I had a sibling and I can't remember which one it was. That would. This is. This is an 80s thing. We used to put out snail pellets in California. Yeah, Snail pellets are these like compressed things. They look like the food that you'd give to like goats, right? So they're like a little pill shaped thing and for some reason they kill snails. I don't exactly know how they work. It's magic, maybe. Yeah, they just throw them out there and then the snails would not eat like your roses or whatever. And I remember coming out and my parents lost their minds because one of my, my little siblings, one of my little brothers was like walking through and he was just eating the snail pellets. Just pulled them right out of the rose planter. And you're looking over and they're just eating. You know, maybe it was just salt. Maybe it wasn't toxic toxic or maybe it was really toxic and that's why they're like that. He's a lawyer now, so it is happened to me.

[Ian Crossland]

Metaldehyde.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Is that what it is? You're looking it up.

[Ian Crossland]

Highly toxic iron phosphate.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, it couldn't have tastes good either.

[Ian Crossland]

If it's iron phosphate. It's safer for pets in the environment.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Okay. They were red, so probably iron phosphate. Sounds.

[Ian Crossland]

That makes. That makes sense.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Still not great. Probably not the thing you should be eating. It's like the same thing as looking down and seeing kids, like, eating. We had a. We had a, a little. A brother maybe of one of my buddies that was eating rabbit pellets. You know, like turds.

[Ian Crossland]

Gross.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And he thought they were chocolates. He just like saw them on the ground. They look a lot like chocolates.

[Phil Labonte]

He couldn't tell by the taste.

[Kyle Seraphin]

He was like a two year old. He was in that phase where he just eats stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

You do know that, that rabbits actually have two different types. Types of things that come out of their butts.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I did not know this.

[Ian Crossland]

One is actually food for the rabbit and one is waste because rabbits eat grass and grass is hard to digest.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Sure.

[Ian Crossland]

They. They. So I know this because we had a couple pet rabbits. They eat the grass and then it goes to their system. They crap it out and it is still grass. They turn around and eat it.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Got it. It's like a second pass through the metabolism.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Phil told me he gets to tend the rabbits. Is that true? You get.

[Phil Labonte]

Pardon me?

[Kyle Seraphin]

You get to tend the rabbits.

[Phil Labonte]

I told you no such thing.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You said you get to tend the rabbits.

[Phil Labonte]

Never said that. He's like, nothing like that at all. I don't know why you're trying to throw me under the bus.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I'm just giving you a Mice and Men reference.

[Steven Stamboli]

I was.

[Ian Crossland]

It's called Secret Trophy Trope. Soft nutrient rich droppings they produce from their seachum.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You get to tend the rabbits.

[Ian Crossland]

They're small shiny clusters like grapes.

[Unknown]

Yeah, they are shiny.

[Ian Crossland]

And they eat it directly out of their anus.

[Kyle Seraphin]

The shiny ones, they go right for it. Yeah, the shiny ones you can eat.

[Ian Crossland]

It says rabbits eat cecotropes directly from their anus. Usually at night or early.

[Unknown]

I often wonder if you can put.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It in the comments if they've eaten them.

[Ian Crossland]

It's called coprophage. Coprophagy. Co. Prophagy.

[Unknown]

That's the act of eating it out of the anus.

[Ian Crossland]

They redigest the nutrients and B vitamins and aminos that weren't absorbed the first time.

[Steven Stamboli]

That's the act of eating poop.

[Unknown]

Oh, what's it called? Coffee. The activating poop. Now I gotta memorize.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Really upset with you for fagi.

[Unknown]

Coprophagy.

[Steven Stamboli]

It comes from the Aphaji word.

[Unknown]

What's that?

[Steven Stamboli]

Poop.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Oh.

[Unknown]

Oh, okay.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Is it? Yeah, it really is. I believe you because you're a convincing liar too.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes. Prophagy is the act of eating feces and is normal in many mammals.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Oh.

[Ian Crossland]

Rabbits, rodents, dogs.

[Steven Stamboli]

Democrats.

[Unknown]

Yeah. They did it in the. When the. The settlers were settling the United States, they had a bad winter or a series of bad winters. And they were calling it the second harvest, where they would reuse the feces for the seeds. They'd get some more nutrition out of the seeds.

[Ian Crossland]

Starvation. There was that one guy who was always drinking his own piss. Who.

[Steven Stamboli]

Bear Grill.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Is that true? Was he always doing that?

[Kyle Seraphin]

No, he was actually staying at a Hilton that night.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh.

[Unknown]

That was definitely.

[Ian Crossland]

I didn't know if they made that.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Up, but I think he's a legit badass, so less to be thought of otherwise. I think Bear Grylls was a legit badass. And whether he stayed in the the place and was like, I'm really thirsty right now, so I'm gonna be drinking my own urine. You're like, no, I don't think you're actually doing that. I think that's Gatorade.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes. Has drunk his own urine on camera during his shows. Nobody believes that, but in one episode purportedly set in the Australian outback, he drank from a bottle of his urine when no safer hydration source was available.

[Unknown]

I got to go to the bathroom. While this talking, don't forget your bottle.

[Ian Crossland]

No one trusts Ian is doing something.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Pretty excited, man.

[Steven Stamboli]

Hey, let me tell you something about this chick that's on the. On the screen right now. She's complaining that no one's talking to her, but as soon as someone starts, like, aggressively talking to her, cat calling, whatever, she's going to start complaining.

[Ian Crossland]

Everybody knows the meme.

[Steven Stamboli]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Where the. The. The suave looking guy in the suit says, hey, darn, Looking good. And she goes, oh, thank you. Then the fat guy with the glass that goes, looking good. She goes, help H.R.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, that's right.

[Ian Crossland]

There was actually a.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It could be the same guy.

[Ian Crossland]

In real life, there was a funny meme about two attractive people were kissing in a park and the woman had her leg up, and everyone's going, oh. And then it was two old, morbidly obese people doing it. Everyone's yelling like, get out of your tick. Get a room.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I feel that way about both of them, but that's just because I'm so.

[Steven Stamboli]

That's offensive for the first group.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It is less offensive if they're attractive.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, there isn't.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You do get a pass.

[Ian Crossland]

People pay to see it. They'll go to the movies and watch.

[Kyle Seraphin]

They will.

[Ian Crossland]

Sexy celebrities, mostly women, will pay for.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That and drag men along with.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to pull this up. I want to pull this up. 3.

[Phil Labonte]

Privilege is real.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It is real.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

If you're an attractive person, you can get away with a lot more.

[Kyle Seraphin]

There's been studies, too, that have actually shown that people attribute more intelligence the more attractive people are. So we get, like, some of these, you know, news types that are out there, and they have a relatively attractive face, and they get credit for being smarter. When we listen to them, we know that they're not.

[Ian Crossland]

Here's a story from cnbc.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I saw this.

[Ian Crossland]

Sydney Sweeney Sparks latest meme stock rally is American Eagle jumps because she's hot and she has big boobs. And any. Anybody who ever came to you at a corporate. At any kind of corporation or marketing firm and Said you want to do morbidly obese ugly people. Idiots. They were. They were taking you for a ride.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's so strange that that was the thing for a period of time. And then it's like Dove commercial that we've seen.

[Unknown]

My favorite women.

[Ian Crossland]

My favorite thing about this is that there's some marketing guy who goes, I've got an idea. Just. Just hear me out. Big boobs. And they went, oh, that's so crazy. It might work. And then they did put her in.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Ugly mom jeans and put her in front of a classic Ford Mustang. Let's see if that gets some testosterone going.

[Phil Labonte]

Inspirational. We talked. We talked about this on. On pcc multiple times. Like, the idea of showing your product on an unattractive person or with an unattractive person is totally counter to what you're trying to do. You're trying to get people to associate your product with positive thoughts.

[Steven Stamboli]

Jaguar.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, yeah, Jaguar was bad. The one that really sticks out was Calvin Klein. They had two just atrociously obese people. And a man was wearing a bra. It was a man, and he was wearing a bra because he was so fat. And it's like we.

[Ian Crossland]

Like I said.

[Phil Labonte]

Like I said on pcc. It's like we need to bring back aspirational in advertising. Not only. But not only in advertising.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Less face piercings.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, definitely.

[Ian Crossland]

Just. This is the. This is the commercial question. I love it.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Sold. I'll take the car.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's a little on the nose, isn't it?

[Ian Crossland]

It is.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Did she really? Oh, wait, wait.

[Ian Crossland]

Listen, listen.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Is she gonna fire it up?

[Ian Crossland]

Let's just listen now. It's not gonna play.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I like that.

[Ian Crossland]

I gotta refresh.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That was my favorite part, is that it stalled. The computer needed a minute.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, now just listen. Hasbro Kings. She has great genes.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

They show her leaning over the hood of a car with their boobs sticking out. Then she smacks her own ass, and their stock is going up.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Who did it better, though? Her or Megan Fox in Transformers?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that was 25 years ago or whatever.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Talking 25 years ago. Megan Fox.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I. I don't know that I have a preference. They're both so attractive.

[Unknown]

So female mechanic.

[Kyle Seraphin]

They're buying whatever they're selling either way.

[Ian Crossland]

Absolutely.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The sound of the ASMR kind of thing that they're doing on that is a little. That's a. Like I said, that's a little on the nose.

[Phil Labonte]

I was very close.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, the director of the thing was like, okay, Sydney, we're need you to, like, lean over. We want to see your boobs. And then when you get up, rub your butt. We're going to film it all.

[Kyle Seraphin]

How should it be? They're like, try to make it look like you're smoothing the wrinkles on these mom jeans that are actually not a particularly attractive fit. But no matter what she wears, she's going to be fine in it. But. Yeah, but it's aspirational. Everyone says, oh, I could either buy those jeans for my gal and she'll look like that, or maybe I'll have a gal like that in a car like that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's like the old beer commercials. Remember all the sexy ladies in bikinis drinking beer at the pool and the big fat guys were like, yeah, remember.

[Phil Labonte]

In the 90s you would crack a.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Beer and see that they would like, they would like, transform like whole scenes.

[Phil Labonte]

In the 90s, it was Spuds McKinney, Spuds McKenzie, surrounded by attractive women. Like a dog and attractive women. You can't get any more convincing than that that everyone loves dogs. Everyone loves attractive women.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I wonder, guys, where do you draw.

[Unknown]

The line with using sex to sell? Just using sex. You know, being in the entertainment in Hollywood, I lived out there for 18.

[Kyle Seraphin]

18 is where you draw the line. I knew you were gonna say it.

[Ian Crossland]

I was trying so hard.

[Unknown]

At what point is like an ad rep, do you. Do I go well? Or like making a movie? Like, how much sex do we put in the movie? Because it will sell more tickets.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, so if you're, you know, what actual sex are you talking about?

[Ian Crossland]

Just attractive people selling sex. You're right. Just all of it. You show it.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Just.

[Unknown]

I mean, I almost did. I almost did naked yoga. I'm like, that series would kick ass.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Just put Antonio Banderas in it.

[Unknown]

And it sells sex, man.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Just his voice is enough for them.

[Phil Labonte]

Say one more time.

[Ian Crossland]

Sex, sexuality. You know what? You know what? The MCU is failing. I bet they could bring it back if they just have more Scarlett Johansson and skin tight black suits.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Oh, she has to play it out. Fake kicking people's asses, because that's actually a little hard for me to watch. All I gotta say is really, really unsettling.

[Ian Crossland]

I do think, and this is not a joke, there is a correlation between. In the beginning of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they have sexy Scarlett Johansson. And I mean, literally, they dress her up in sexy clothes, skin tight, all black. And then later on they had girl boss. No, but Brie Larson. You know, conquering her emotions.

[Unknown]

Even the Way they're drawn is super sexy. In, like, the 90s comics, she went.

[Kyle Seraphin]

From being, like, basically the fetish model to, like, a girl who's gonna be lecturing you, you, like, in an HR situation.

[Ian Crossland]

And then the Marvels, they were like, no, we don't. We don't want, like, at, like, it feels like aspirational women who are attractive. We want frumpy women, you know, that nobody wants to watch. And then guess what happened? They. All those movies failed.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's why the Ghostbusters lady reboot was so successful.

[Ian Crossland]

And you know what else bothers me is they ruined Ant Man. Well, how so? The first Ant man people liked, and it was like, it was okay.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It was clever.

[Ian Crossland]

It made money. Then they said they wanted to replace Paul Rudd with Evangeline Lilly and have Wasp be the principal character. Nobody wanted to see her. And I got no beef to Evangeline Lilly. I think she's great in those films. But it's Ant Man. If you want to make a Wasp, we make a WASP movie. The problem is no one's gonna see it. So then they put her on the COVID of the second movie. She's in the front, in the foreground. He's in the background, and it's Ant man and the Wasp, and it did worse. And then the third one, Quantumania, was considered to be a failure.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You know, when you see women stepping into men's spaces, it's not surprising that men's have decided to return the favor in the last couple years. It's weird to watch it. My wife pointed this out to me. She was like, women went to men's spaces first. And the fact that now you've got the problem of bathrooms and all the other questions, that was literally adjudicated with the last election. And you see executive orders coming out of the White House trying to straighten some of that out, it's like, yeah, this is a problem that was really predictable. It started a while ago, and it's just been going. It's been on its own steam. You look like that made you uncomfortable.

[Unknown]

I was thinking about, let's map out.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Unknown]

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[Ian Crossland]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Unknown]

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[Ian Crossland]

Bon voyage.

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[Unknown]

The. The culture war coming up tomorrow. Whether or not I'm gonna go, I'm like, I have things. I gotta go do things. I, you know, what is your spirit.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That'S controlling you say.

[Unknown]

Go do it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So.

[Steven Stamboli]

And go do it.

[Unknown]

And then. But if sometimes the spirit's like, go in that cave where all those hobgoblins are. I'm like, there's hobgoblins in there.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I don't want to go in there.

[Unknown]

And it's like. And I'm like, would you go in there, spirit, if you had a body? And he's like, well, no, but you're my creature that I get to move around. So go in there.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So go in there.

[Steven Stamboli]

You have to.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You have to do what your purpose is.

[Steven Stamboli]

You pretty much have to.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, cool. As much as I can expand myself into that, I'll talk more about sexuality.

[Unknown]

And entertainment and having a wife and like, what the. What's the purpose of it all, dude? Like, reproduction. Isn't that the purpose? And what that means you make videos of yourself or you have kids. They're both a form of reproduction.

[Kyle Seraphin]

They're not the same.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I promise.

[Unknown]

Not the same.

[Kyle Seraphin]

But both forms of reproduction, just not the same.

[Unknown]

You can't just say, I mean, no reason to say no to it. It's a truth. They're both forms.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Not a truth.

[Unknown]

I mean, if you think having a kid is a type of reproduction, which technically it's not. Not because it's. It's a type of procreation. Pro production, you know.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Procreation. Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Recordings. Recordings are facsimiles. You've not reproduced anything. You've created a fake hologram and you've preserved.

[Unknown]

You've recreated it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Over and over and over again. A replication.

[Steven Stamboli]

It doesn't do anything.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Did you ever see the movie Multiplicity? Because that turned out that it's not really good to keep doing that. Eventually you end up with a guy who's got, again, cognitive deficits.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, Steve.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Oh, really? Have you not seen this?

[Unknown]

No, I looked awesome.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You know, Michael Keaton is one of my favorite favorites always because he's played really dark and he's also like a pretty good comedian. He did freak. He did freaking Beetlejuice.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, Steve.

[Unknown]

Sorry, Tim.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Were you licking the glue and stuff?

[Phil Labonte]

He's like just licking the pizza and slapping it on his face.

[Ian Crossland]

Mess.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I can't even leave you alone for a minute. Just 1, 2, 3.

[Ian Crossland]

Doug, if I might.

[Unknown]

Yeah, One of those clones is something I said in 2007. The video's still online. I don't believe what it said though.

[Kyle Seraphin]

3, 4.

[Ian Crossland]

12. Doug, I'd like you to meet 4.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I got a lot.

[Ian Crossland]

That guy. Leave it to me how they drive a car.

[Unknown]

Got a wallet.

[Ian Crossland]

Come here, come here.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's so good.

[Ian Crossland]

Come here, come here, come here, come here. Where he come from?

[Kyle Seraphin]

He's going to help us out around here a little bit. Just, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You know, do the day to day stuff. Clean the house and mow the lawn.

[Ian Crossland]

Take out trash.

[Kyle Seraphin]

All the.

[Ian Crossland]

We don't have time to do.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Forget this. That. Forget that. What the hell's wrong with him?

[Ian Crossland]

Nothing.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You know, nothing really wrong, you know, he's. He's a little special.

[Steven Stamboli]

He's fine.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, he's special all right, Doug. See, what we did was we made.

[Tim Pool]

A copy from 2.

[Ian Crossland]

And you know, sometimes you make a.

[Tim Pool]

Copy of a copy copy.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's not quite as sharp as, well, the original. Well, that's kind of what happened. Leeds loved it. He loved it because he's, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, we get it, we get it.

[Unknown]

Jack Nicholson, man.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's not the same.

[Phil Labonte]

That's not Jack Nicholson.

[Unknown]

No, but they served together in Batman, the first movie.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Did you say they served together? They did, yes. That might be your best line that I've ever heard you drop.

[Unknown]

He was emulating Nicholson.

[Ian Crossland]

Ian really overvalues his job.

[Unknown]

Oh, entertainment. The storytellers of reality, man. In some ways, recreation, they call it. Recreation.

[Ian Crossland]

I saw Forester once. I said, thank you for your service.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That was fantastic right there. And it's also true together in Batman. I will never not say it that way. I am now going to refer to all actors that were in the same movie as people who served together in a movie. You forever. Listen, there's sometimes like people say something and I just want it forever. I had a buddy one time who was screwing with me. We were doing the. The FBI academy thing. And now I say this all the time. I can't help it. And it's like in like, normal stuff. We're doing these gun disarm drills. Phil, you ever done gun disarms where you like, try to take the gun from somebody, like in martial arts? It's stupid. It's really a good way to get killed.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So we're standing there, we're doing these gun disarms and they're like, guys, engage the subject. He's got a gun on you. You got to get him distracted. Like, have him look you in the eye and ask him questions like, hey, are you looking for my wallet? Or whatever. So that's. They're supposed to engage you. So my buddy, I turn, I hold the gun and I'm like, give me your wallet, or whatever this stupid thing we're supposed to do. And he turns and he looks at me dead in the eyes and he goes, are you from Chinese? And I fell out laughing. And of course he does like, the gun disarm, slap me in the head or whatever. And I'm giggling like an idiot. And they like came over and they yelled at me. So now whenever, you know, like, I'll buy something, my wife will be going like, hey, what is that? I'm like, I don't know. It's just like this. It's a product. It's just from Chinese. And she was like, I hate Chinese or whatever. It'll just be that we say it now. I never say from China anymore. I only say from Chinese.

[Phil Labonte]

And I'm only gonna say they serve together.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Serve together in Batman.

[Ian Crossland]

Serve together and Batman.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Like, I'm going to take that as a treasure for a long time. You don't have no idea, man.

[Phil Labonte]

So you, you mean they were in the Batman movie?

[Unknown]

So yeah, they. They served together. They served together on the front lines. They. They were both the leads in Batman. You might know Michael Keaton of Gotham.

[Ian Crossland]

It's really funny because it's just like for no reason, he brings up Jack Nicholson.

[Kyle Seraphin]

We're like, what randomly?

[Unknown]

Keaton was emulating Nicholson in that clip. At the very end, he really took on Nicholson's mannerisms. He must have affected working with one.

[Kyle Seraphin]

The part where he was like jumping on the bed or.

[Unknown]

No, no, no, no. At the very end of the clip, he. He like his eyebrows. Cuz Michael Keaton's got those like communicative eyebrows.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I think he was actually channeling Michael Keaton from Backman.

[Unknown]

Nicholson might have been channeling Keaton too. You never know how that.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That movie change. Almost like reproduction, that they're just bouncing it off like a face off. It's like having. It's like. Yeah, it's like having a child.

[Unknown]

Watch clips from that about a week ago.

[Steven Stamboli]

Nice. I knew that.

[Ian Crossland]

Didn't Danny DeVito also serve with Jack Nicholson and One Flew over the C.

[Unknown]

I was going to say a few good.

[Kyle Seraphin]

DeVito.

[Ian Crossland]

Was he in that? Pretty sure Danny DeVito was in it was in that.

[Steven Stamboli]

In what?

[Ian Crossland]

One Flew over the Cougar's Nest.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I think you might be right. And Christopher Lloyd was in that movie.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Oh, he served with Michael J. Fox in Michael J.

[Ian Crossland]

Fox.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, they toured.

[Unknown]

They had three tours.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Three tours.

[Unknown]

Back to the Future.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Three tours in the. In the Back to the Future series.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I'm only going to be talking about it that way from here on out.

[Unknown]

That's a.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That was a special gift, man.

[Unknown]

If you've ever done a movie too, and it goes on for four months of like 12, 14 hour days, it feels like a form of service sometimes. If you're getting paid, it's a nice.

[Ian Crossland]

Is he still doing movies? He's still around.

[Kyle Seraphin]

What is the antecedent of he.

[Ian Crossland]

Nicholson.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Nicholson.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm gonna see what he's up to.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I don't know if he's doing, man.

[Ian Crossland]

I just had a thought yesterday.

[Unknown]

It's how sad it was to walk into the weeds. No, I just don't think he's doing a lot.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think he's doing much either. I think he's. I think he's at the age where he stopped kind of being out in public.

[Unknown]

I was thinking about Bruce Willis and then Ozzy Osborne, who.

[Phil Labonte]

Bruce Willis is. Is like 70, but because of his condition, he doesn't. He doesn't really remember his previous life and stuff.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So awful.

[Unknown]

The impact that that generation had on our culture and how now they're like 90, 80, like, oh, wow, he actually.

[Ian Crossland]

Just appeared on SNL. Yeah, it's. And then 10 years before that was SNL. He hasn't done anything since 2010.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Well, the thing is, is nobody's seen that because people don't watch snl.

[Ian Crossland]

That's true. They don't. Yeah, they don't, man. His first role was in 1958.

[Unknown]

What was his first role?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Who was he serving with?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Jimmy Wallace and the Crybaby Killer.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yo.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow. He served with Harry Lauter and Carolyn Mitchell.

[Unknown]

Wonder what kind of action they saw. I don't want to like. I don't want to take away from the value of combat, you know, I'm not, I don't want to make a joke about.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You're not Hurting anybody's feelings. I promise you, that is fantastic stuff. Yes.

[Unknown]

Oh, it's so good.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Imagine that.

[Unknown]

You know, there's the shooting, the camera. They're like.

[Kyle Seraphin]

First this shooting, the day before I was driving home, my, my mother in law made a reference to the movie SP Splash, which is a weird thing to do. Which I thought was Michael Keaton, but it's actually Tom Hanks. Yep. In it. And what, Daryl Hannah.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Kyle Seraphin]

1984. I don't know why that's in my head, but it is. I actually see the word Splash with the parentheses 1984 next to it. And she said something about the movie to my children who are like the oldest one is eight, so they've never heard of anything. And I just said, yeah, we'll just stop by a Blockbuster on the way home and we'll grab. Grab a copy of Splash. And the only person at the table who laughed was my wife. That's how you know you've got the right person. You have to have the right things when you're out there. Selecting if they don't get your jokes, if they don't understand that you're funny. Doesn't matter how pretty they are. It doesn't matter if they got the. What is the. The thing at the butt slapping noise that we just heard from what's her name? Something Sweeney.

[Unknown]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

Sydney Sweeney.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Sydney Sweeney. I don't even know who these people are anymore. That's.

[Ian Crossland]

We've.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I've aged out. I've aged out from knowing what pop culture chicks are. We pop culture chicks that stand with mustangs.

[Ian Crossland]

We've gone full circle. One Flu over the Cuckoo's Nest is about Randall McMurphy being incarcerated for the statutory rape of a 15 year old girl who he claims he thought was 18.

[Unknown]

Interesting.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Strict liability crime.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe that's why Ian brought him up.

[Unknown]

I was leading us all to Jack Nicholson's portrayal of that guy.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You thought you were leading, but that's actually what God's Hand in the World looks like.

[Unknown]

What, they put him in a mental institution for that?

[Ian Crossland]

That. No, he fakes a mental illness to avoid going to prison and doing hard labor.

[Unknown]

That's a crazy movie. That's a pretty good movie.

[Steven Stamboli]

Pretty nuts.

[Kyle Seraphin]

One Flew Over.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah. I don't want to spoiler alert, but it's pretty nuts.

[Ian Crossland]

And then they lobotomize him.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Nurse. The nurse he kind of sees, she treats him horribly.

[Steven Stamboli]

Like in. What movie was that?

[Kyle Seraphin]

It was all. It's like an Inception thing.

[Steven Stamboli]

I hated that movie.

[Unknown]

Inception. I fell asleep Twice. Trying to watch it.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's not normal.

[Ian Crossland]

I know.

[Unknown]

It lulled me to sleep.

[Steven Stamboli]

I don't understand.

[Ian Crossland]

Understand it.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's why.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I was watching it far away on a small tv, too, so that I wasn't very. I wasn't into it. I wasn't engaged. And if you understand that. A lot of vibrating imagery.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, There was a lot of movement. There was a lot of slow motion. There was a lot of, like, quiet.

[Phil Labonte]

Inception.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Inception. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

It was weird, but.

[Kyle Seraphin]

But I. But it made me think. I liked it. What was the other one that was like, that? Tenant, maybe.

[Phil Labonte]

I never saw Tenant. I only saw Inception one time. Anyways, it was. It was a weird movie that, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Neither of them make very much sense, but it's. It's fun to see how weird it is.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And the visuals were really well done.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Tenet was the Nolan thing where time is moving in two directions.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, I like that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's a fun mind game. I don't know if it works.

[Ian Crossland]

It doesn't.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It was what, Idris Elba. And who did he serve with?

[Ian Crossland]

Probably Leonardo DiCaprio.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Another. No, there was another big name in there, and I can't think of.

[Unknown]

Yeah, Time at the end that I don't think time is like. If you see the spirits, they seem to not perceive time like we do.

[Ian Crossland]

They.

[Unknown]

Maybe they.

[Kyle Seraphin]

They can watch things go forward and backwards. Maybe. Possibly. Maybe.

[Unknown]

Or maybe it's always snapshots. Like they don't see change.

[Kyle Seraphin]

No, that wouldn't make any.

[Unknown]

I have no idea.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, your theology needs work, that's all.

[Unknown]

They're like in a stas. Kind of a stasis. A hyperactive stasis, it seems like.

[Kyle Seraphin]

But how do they age and die then?

[Unknown]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

That's a good question.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, you got twist. You got some things to work out in this.

[Unknown]

Yeah, like what is time to a. To an alien that experiences motion?

[Ian Crossland]

Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[Unknown]

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[Ian Crossland]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Unknown]

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[Kyle Seraphin]

That's coming in to destroy us in November. Is that. Is that the date that we expect it?

[Ian Crossland]

The what?

[Kyle Seraphin]

The November. The alien from. From the.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, November. That's going to come wipe us out.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Okay, so we have elections.

[Unknown]

I think a different alien.

[Ian Crossland]

These are in. In tenet. It was not Idris Elba. It was John David Washington who was serving with Robert Pattinson. Oh, and. And Sir Michael Caine.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yes. No, he was good.

[Ian Crossland]

And Aaron Taylor Johnson was in that. Wow.

[Unknown]

It's a multinational.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's a hell of a squad that did coalition.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, they fielded a pretty good.

[Ian Crossland]

They saw a lot of action in the war scene where they were fighting the terrorists.

[Unknown]

Who was the supreme commander of that movie? No, Ian, I'm just asking the director's name.

[Phil Labonte]

Literally. I figured it was the director.

[Unknown]

Was it the producer? No, the supreme commander is given the authority by the producer, Emma Thomas.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Like Eisenhower, you know, like Eisenhower.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

We've gone down. We've gone down director of World War II. It's a. This is like one of those flack spins from. From Top Gun where you just can't.

[Ian Crossland]

Recover as the night goes on and viewership generally declines. I've kept up the image of Sydney Sweeney holding her butt so that Tate could periodically flash the screen with that to maintain viewership.

[Phil Labonte]

It's because you're smart.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's not dumb. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, we're going to go to your chats and rumble rants. So smash the like button. Share the show. All that good stuff. Stuff. It's Friday night. It's. It's a lovely summer evening. Let's see what you guys have to say. We got the good stuff. We got Shannon Wilder. He says the executive order to get the homeless off the streets has been a long time coming. Maga make asylums great again. Mazga. I'm flying out Monday to hang out in West Virginia, D.C. and we'll be at the culture war on the 2nd. Let's go.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, holler back there. There are some people that have a negative opinion of the, you know, making asylums. Something where you can actually involuntarily commit people.

[Ian Crossland]

And.

[Phil Labonte]

And it Feels like they don't understand that homeless people are not like allowing them to languish on the street is not compassionate.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's not at all.

[Unknown]

At all.

[Kyle Seraphin]

If you've ever worked with that. That segment of the population. There are some people that are there by choice, for sure, but I've had guys come into emergency rooms that have so little sense that they wanted to be committed. Right. I had a guy that we. We actually did the evaluation on him. 24 hours later, we let him out of the psych hold. He walked straight out to his car, came back in with a razor blade, cut his wr. Not in a way that was going to kill him, but just made a mess. And then he just put blood all over the windows. And we had to take him back in because he wanted to be like. He had moments of lucidity where he was like, I need help. You guys aren't giving it to me. It is not compassionate. I've worked on an ambulance, I've worked in emergency medicine. I worked in an er. And also, it is not.

[Phil Labonte]

People do not understand that the. The number of homeless people that are. That are homeless because of mental illness is somewhere around 75 or 77%.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I did a good, strong material majority.

[Phil Labonte]

It's almost. The Venn diagram is almost a circle of people that are mentally. That have. That are mentally ill, homeless and have some kind of substance dependency.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

It is not compassionate to leave these people to be languishing on the streets or to live in tent cities. It is the best thing that you can. And never mind what it does to like, the people that are. That have homes or the people that want to go to cities or that. That have to use the subway or whatever.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Love them, that lost track of them. Here's the thing.

[Phil Labonte]

Never mind that.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Here's the balance of it, though, because One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest is actually the great example of it. There were. That's also a vulnerable population, and a lot of people abuse them in positions of power that should never have been in there. So a check and balance system, you know, whenever you put government in charge, you're getting an awful system, even if it's the only system that can do it. So you end up with this really nasty thing where it needs checks and balances. You need to have some accountability. You need to be able to have people go in there. So they're not just private fiefdoms where they're just running amok and hurting people because they're in a place where they want to do That I don't know make asylums great if they're actually great.

[Ian Crossland]

Here we go. We got concrete Hades says Lex Wesner destroyed an entire town in Ohio for. For his good buddy Bezos. Epstein had parties with Bezos present at West West West's estate. From what I understand.

[Unknown]

What I wonder what town that was in Ohio.

[Ian Crossland]

Yaki India says so the Donald on the birthday card was Donald Bar.

[Kyle Seraphin]

The birthday card that we're talking about Epstein. Unlikely. No, I don't think they had like friendship afterwards. It was just a quick hiring thing back in like 1976. Six.

[Ian Crossland]

All right. Clutch says keeping tradition. Currently waiting in the hospital for my first grandchild to be born. Let's go. Riley. Jane. Congrats. Awesome grandchild jumped up. Pleb says my wife is a stay at home mom. We have five now but when we got started it was too expensive for my wife to work because of cost of daycare.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That's the other thing that's always forgotten. Wow.

[Ian Crossland]

The opportunity cost Cornelius butt knuckle says based on Ian tonight Tim should probably do a quick inventory of the air duster can hands n. It's okay. We use electric air dusters and those.

[Unknown]

Go right up my nose.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Interesting.

[Steven Stamboli]

You party with Hunter? I don't.

[Unknown]

I couldn't hear understand what you said.

[Steven Stamboli]

But yes, you party.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Just cop to it. What you're trying to say is that you.

[Ian Crossland]

If Ian was being honest would be the response he gives every question on the show.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Just whatever he feels like.

[Ian Crossland]

I can't understand what you said. But yes. I like that misfit Brad says woman teacher ruined me. Told me a horror story of her life and to never rely on man man divorced parents. I'm a workaholic. Picked the wrong man to marry and paid that lesson with my youth. 40 and childless. Oof.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Still got time.

[Ian Crossland]

Sorry to hear it. Sorry to hear it. There's a big scandal right now with. You know, I think we talked about in the members only because we didn't want to go too ham with it. But should I. Should I. Should I tell the story of that journalist who left his wife?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, gently, gently.

[Ian Crossland]

Just I mean it up to too. I had to do it. Rabe suave. It was funny because this is the big scandal involving him now we were on the hill. We had a story pulled up. There's a big old picture of him. He apparently was married for like what, 17 years or 14 years. Something.

[Phil Labonte]

Something like that.

[Ian Crossland]

And now he's married to a guy. Okay, there you go. And now he's like announcing he's married. Some like, young Asian guy. And everyone's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Is he a marine?

[Ian Crossland]

No, he's a libertarian.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Curious. That's a thing.

[Phil Labonte]

Wow, that's like. That's really awful.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Anyway, I don't know.

[Phil Labonte]

Ruined the woman's life.

[Ian Crossland]

Sorry, Eric. 4x4 says, I just spent the week in Chirac. And on the drive up and the drive back along 65 and 74, I saw three Tim cast bulletin boards. Kind of cool.

[Unknown]

In Iraq.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Okay, it's not Illinois. That's an Illinois.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Cool. In fact, we have billboards all over the country.

[Unknown]

Country, multinational. Is that even feasible?

[Ian Crossland]

Billboards in other countries?

[Unknown]

In London or something.

[Ian Crossland]

It'd be weird to be like, watch live at 4 in the morning. You know what I mean?

[Unknown]

Oh, that's.

[Steven Stamboli]

You'd have to say it in Arabic too, for London.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, Urdu, actually.

[Steven Stamboli]

I was about to say maybe a bunch of other languages.

[Ian Crossland]

Urdu. President Nixon did nothing wrong. Says this is a distraction from the fact that Trump can release all thousands of Epstein files DOJ has. Now, these files aren't sealed redact victims. That's true.

[Steven Stamboli]

They're on Bondi's desk. From what I heard.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I heard that desk is also where the aliens are like a black hole.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Kyle, you made a really good point that these files aren't files. It's like. Well, there might be files on a computer. Digital. I mean, at any point, files related to the case.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes, and I do think you make a good point about the perception of what the files means. Because when I say we want the. I want the files released, I'm not talking about a blanket release of every document they have.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Not. And. And that's not even to say like, obviously the victim stuff you redact. But then there's going to be other stuff that could compromise law enforcement that doesn't need to be released either.

[Kyle Seraphin]

We know that they actually went out there and did all those redactions. I've got buddies that were actually working in the Hoover Building letting me know in real time that this was happening. They were redacting victims names. So they were using AI to scan through all the case files that they had. And then they were going. And then there was a human follow up to make sure that they were getting it correct to redact things, but sensibly, to. To release them.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm saying that this. Everyone goes, obviously we're not going to release the victims. Okay. Yes. But there are also files where it's going to not mention Any perpetrators. But it's a mention FBI agents. We don't want to release the information. I. You want, you want to release the name of the people who are working on the case.

[Kyle Seraphin]

If you work for the FBI at the end of the day.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Like here's the thing. If you went out there and you wanted to arrest somebody and you're an FBI agent, you put your name on the criminal complaint. You put your name. When you go out there and you sign the arrest warrant or you're the person on the search warrant, return your name like you're a public servant. And we do have this real dangerous, weird idea because the FBI has been doing this for J6 cases almost exclusively. I know guys that ran down cartel guys over like that was their full time job. They ran down drug dealers and gang bangers and bad people that made threats on their life. Their name was public when they went out and prosecuted those cases. The J6 thing is the first time I've ever seen blanket redactions of whoever was signing.

[Ian Crossland]

Right, right. But I'm saying there's going to be information not. Not relevant to the perpetrators. Yeah. You don't have to blanket everything.

[Kyle Seraphin]

But at the end of the day, you shouldn't not release something simply because it has an FBI agent's name.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I'm just saying it's hypothetical of there's going to be a bunch of documents that are related to the case but not relevant to incrimination or involvement of individuals.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah. There should be a purpose for it.

[Ian Crossland]

Could be routine. It could have private information of an unrelated person. Like where they were at at the time, in their home address or something. There's. There's going to be unrelated information that pii.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You definitely want to get rid of that. The personal identifying information. No question about it.

[Ian Crossland]

But not even victims.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah. But for whatever it's worth, law enforcement, when you guys see cops, what do they wear? A name badge. They've got a. They've got a badge and a badge number and that's supposed to identify the them. When you're an FBI agent, you're not a secret agent. Even though I used to think that was a funny joke. You're issued a set of credentials that you show people. Everyone's seen them at Fox, Molder and sc. You hold them up and it's got your name on it and says that you're a duly appointed federal agent.

[Ian Crossland]

How many, how many people do you think joined the FBI because of the X Files?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Me and probably everybody. So whatever that was, like that's I actually have an X Files poster in my wall. It reminds me of what I hope the X File or what the FBI.

[Ian Crossland]

Was going to be when I was. When I was a little. Right. When I was a little kid, the FBI was so cool. And then I became a teenager and got the Internet. Internet. And then I was like, oh, nope.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It turns out, you know what I actually named when I was. When I was like my last two years there? I have. My son's name is Bodhi. It's spelled exactly like Bodhi from Point Break.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And that was when Patrick Swayze served with so. But so I named my son that. And I have a poster of the two of them skydiving from the famous scene like up on my wall just as a reminder to me, like, that's not what the FBI is. But that's what people used to think it was.

[Ian Crossland]

To be honest, it was a lot easier to say when he served with Keanu instead of saying he appeared in the same movie as K. No, it's flows.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's.

[Ian Crossland]

It flows.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Like I said, it was a gift.

[Ian Crossland]

A revolutionary.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, I'm sticking with me being an actor.

[Unknown]

It is a form of service.

[Steven Stamboli]

No cap. I don't even know what that means.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I don't either.

[Ian Crossland]

It means, oh, there it goes.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I'm old for this.

[Unknown]

I knew it had insinuated older than.

[Phil Labonte]

You, and I know this.

[Kyle Seraphin]

How old are you?

[Phil Labonte]

50.

[Steven Stamboli]

Man, you're so old.

[Unknown]

What does cap even mean?

[Kyle Seraphin]

What does it mean?

[Phil Labonte]

No lie. No cap.

[Kyle Seraphin]

But why? It means capping is lying. So then no cap would mean capping. Not lying like I capped someone is.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you know what glazing means?

[Kyle Seraphin]

All your words, all of.

[Steven Stamboli]

All of these new words like a.

[Ian Crossland]

Skibidi and all of that's a reference to a YouTube.

[Phil Labonte]

The only, the only word that. The only new word that I've heard that I really hate is the new slang for hot dogs. I don't want to call them glizzies. I'm not calling them glizzies.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Not.

[Ian Crossland]

Lizzy is slang for.

[Unknown]

For male genitals and it glides down your throat. Is that the whole point of glizzy? That's the noise you're throw.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Lizzy.

[Phil Labonte]

Lizzy started.

[Steven Stamboli]

Hope the camera wasn't on you.

[Phil Labonte]

Lizzy started as slang for glock cuz that like your, your, your glock was your glizzy. That was. It started as a slang for that. I don't know how it became the slang for a hot dog.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I don't like it.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't like it at all.

[Kyle Seraphin]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

So, but it started as Glock, and then people started making jokes about hot dogs being guns and calling them glizzies. And then a bunch of gay guys started saying glizzy as giving blow jobs. And now glizzy means, you know, blowing a guy.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's the gay guy's fault, is what you're saying.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, I, I took from that. I think the issue is the moment a single gay man makes a YouTube video or, or TikTok, where he says this is what it means. Everyone backs off. Like, I, I don't say that. Don't look at. I. I never said.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Can we please get someone to make that and make. Make this thing stop?

[Ian Crossland]

No, it's. It's true.

[Kyle Seraphin]

No, I want it to stop, though. So we. We want no more glizzy.

[Steven Stamboli]

I would like it to stop.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Glizzy is a gay slang term for giving a man for men. Giving men?

[Kyle Seraphin]

No, but didn't you say we need to have a man who is gay? Say that as an explanation. No, no, no.

[Ian Crossland]

You must understand, they did this five, you know, years ago, and it's still happening, and people. So when someone says the word glizzy, they're referring to blowing guys.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I don't like it.

[Ian Crossland]

It's just. It's just.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I don't like it in terms of hot dogs.

[Ian Crossland]

If you're not hanging out bath houses, you. You'll never. You'll never see.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Not. That's true. I'm totally safe from that. But also have to hear people say things. What are the other words that we hated?

[Steven Stamboli]

Just like all of.

[Ian Crossland]

What.

[Steven Stamboli]

What generation are you?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Alpha Z Z. Alpha is a oldest.

[Ian Crossland]

Are 15.

[Steven Stamboli]

Okay.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. The oldest alpha, I think are. Are 13 or 13 years old, I think.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And there's only 40 million of them.

[Steven Stamboli]

I don't want to get into the whole generation.

[Kyle Seraphin]

We're totally in, like, a upside down pyramids game.

[Ian Crossland]

We're screwed, yo. Yeah, there's, there's. There. There's half as many Gen Alphas as there were millennials.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And, and it's Boomer's fault. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And this is why I'm gonna say it again. I'm gonna say it again. They are rebooting Scrubs. Malcolm in the Middle, King of the hill, Happy Gilmore 2 just came out. Rumors of Married With Children. All they're doing is regurgitating the 90s for millennials because the millennial market has. Millennials have a little bit of money, and Gen Z and Gen Alpha are completely broke and small Generations.

[Unknown]

You mentioned a couple nights ago how they're like. Like people are all going to have their own AI programs that they go show me that Scrubs season three, but with, you know, Donald Faison. And everyone will have their own references of culture, of what a. What a good song.

[Ian Crossland]

Live in the pod.

[Unknown]

Because everyone's making their own version of.

[Ian Crossland]

It live in a pod.

[Unknown]

We don't have an identifying culture. Well, this is a concern. I've got like a Pearl Jam, a band I could relate to a girl on. And then I'd be like, I'm a. I got something common with this human. Now. If everyone's making their own music in.

[Ian Crossland]

Their own head, like, you don't watch Tim Cast Iron. You will live in the pod and.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You will eat the bugs and you will be happy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. You're going to be. You're going to be a hairless, skinless, matrix pod dweller.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I've seen that movie, dude, I can't wait.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm. No, I'm happy for this though.

[Kyle Seraphin]

For real.

[Ian Crossland]

You know why?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Because I can live in Montana.

[Ian Crossland]

Only thing that matters is that I can AI Generate a version of Revenge of the Sith where Anakin comes to his senses and Mace Windu decides it's probably a bad idea to execute the Chancellor on the spot. And then the Jedi come in and arrest him. And they hold a trial and he gets arrested and the Republicans saved.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Wow, you really need that.

[Ian Crossland]

I need it. It has to happen.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's like there's a vexing you.

[Ian Crossland]

Mace Window is like he's too dangerous. And Ana goes, it's not the Jedi way. And Mace goes, you're right. Okay, get more Jedi in here. We're going to arrest him.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And he goes, yes, Mace Windu was played by Samuel. Samuel L. Jackson. He served with what, Ewan McGregor and some of the others.

[Ian Crossland]

Indeed, they served together. Samuel Jackson probably served with everybody.

[Kyle Seraphin]

To be honest, that's actually probably true. He might be the next Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

He might be the modern Kevin Bacon.

[Ian Crossland]

Indeed. He's the most decorated actor. Some people say that. Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Some would say highly decorated.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, here we go. We got real war pig. He says, if you're over 30 and don't. Don't have your own family, you have failed.

[Kyle Seraphin]

What I would say is that stings for some.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd put it like this. If you do not have children, you will be the first life form in a multi billion year long chain of reproduction that did not reproduce.

[Unknown]

And you gotta, you know, be. Be gentle with that. Term family. Because some people are born to real assholes and they don't think of those people as their family. The people that took them in and that raised them are the actual family. So just because you don't have kids, doesn't or don't have parents alive, doesn't mean you don't have a family of some sort.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I gotta read this one. Tetris says got a 16 month old daughter. She just ate a June bug.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah, baby, that's what I'm talking about.

[Phil Labonte]

Sounds like a 16 year old.

[Ian Crossland]

Be careful though. No, seriously, be careful with that. That because you can die. I don't know about june bugs, but you don't eat bugs for a reason. I don't know if you guys know the story of you can eat june bugs off the ground. I don't know that you can. There was a. A dude who shouldn't at a party. He was like 19 and someone grabbed a slug and then a dare. He dunked it in his beer and slammed it and he was dead within a week. Yeah, within a day or six out of the dirt. So. Remember when they were selling cicadas? Is.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Isn't it a mollusk? Mollusk?

[Ian Crossland]

It is.

[Kyle Seraphin]

What is a slug?

[Ian Crossland]

It is a mollusk.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's not. It's not an insect then.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm saying generally you can't eat bugs out of the.

[Phil Labonte]

Just cook it. Everything.

[Steven Stamboli]

Doesn't Leviticus say not to eat bugs?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it was a parasite that went to his brain and killed Sam Ballard.

[Unknown]

A 19 year old Australian rugby player.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Died on November 2, 2018.

[Ian Crossland]

Ate a slug.

[Kyle Seraphin]

That was like a long time ago. Dude. That's some old stuff. What are you talking about? From eating a slug. That'd be a rough way to go.

[Ian Crossland]

Gross.

[Phil Labonte]

Everything should be cooked.

[Unknown]

He contracted things raw. He contracted rat lungworm disease from eating the slug.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Is that really what it's called? Called?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, dude.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Going. Going with that as being your out if that's your exit map. Rat lung disease. That sounds like the worst thing that you could put in your.

[Unknown]

He was alive for eight years after that too.

[Kyle Seraphin]

He died eight years later.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, let's go.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It happened in 2018. That doesn't make any sense.

[Unknown]

He died in 18.

[Ian Crossland]

Noah Sanders says, can't wait to see you next week. Should you should invite JD Delay for August 2nd. He's an ex con who's friends with angry cops. Great addition to the discussion. Xcon, anarchist and an active cop. All side sides. Well, the. The idea is there's four people on stage and an open seat for, for anyone in the audience to come up and join the debate. And so it's going to be funny. We do, we're going to do a half an hour between Angry Cops and Michael Malice about policing and then we're going to invite literally random people to get on the stage and, and challenge the positions of the individuals and we'll see. We'll see. I think we're expecting right now we have confirmed around 80 individuals for this Saturday, but it could be more because they canceled the tickets and refunded them. So we don't know if we actually are going over, but we have 200 seats so I think we'll be fine. Is there the Angry cops Michael Mouse one I think is probably going to sell out. So dccomedyloft.com get your tickets now because I think we're, we're close to selling out already. If you do want to come to that one, buy your tickets. And then August 9th we're doing the feminism debate which I was asking if.

[Unknown]

People with tickets that got canceled but they didn't rebuy because they didn't know. Are they able to come show up up with their canceled ticket? I mean, probably not supposed to and be like, sorry, I, I have my name, you see, I bought it.

[Ian Crossland]

It's probably. But the challenge we're going to have is if we, if, if. Let's say it's a 200 seat venue, let's say 110 people buy tickets, get canceled. A different 110 people buy tickets. They both show up. There's going to be 20 people that won't have.

[Unknown]

And it's just like first come, first serve. Maybe until it fills up.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know, man.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Do like a Thunderdome outside and see.

[Unknown]

Show within a show.

[Ian Crossland]

Crack a pool stick in half and throw on the ground and say tryouts, right?

[Kyle Seraphin]

See who's coming in.

[Unknown]

The windows are off limits. Don't climb through the windows. Then we'll be hiding right by the windows waiting.

[Ian Crossland]

I think we'll be fine. I don't like the first event. I don't think was going to sell out. I think we're, I think we'll probably end up with 100 or a little bit more with some last minute.

[Unknown]

Who are the guests?

[Ian Crossland]

We have Gavin McInnes and Matan Evan or. And Pisco Liddy, the liberal lawyer. So if you guys don't know who Matan is, he's. How do you describe? Well, he's a, he's a comedic interview personality. He's a gen Z. Guy.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Guy.

[Ian Crossland]

Everyone knows Gavin. He created the Proud Boys.

[Unknown]

Matan. He appeared talking about Bill Clinton being his rabbi, I think, and then had every indication to me of just being a flash in the pan. Young guy just making a viral hit. But he is the real deal. I'm really looking forward to seeing him work. I don't know. I've met. Met him in person yet.

[Ian Crossland]

And then.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Is this half. It's going to be half debate, half kind of semi roast. Is that kind of the game, too? No, no, it's a full debate.

[Ian Crossland]

It's. It's meant to be a debate. That's fun. Got it. So it's at a comedy club. And the idea is when we're debating, we're going to be serious, but there's going to be snark and there's going to be heckling. And it's meant. It's meant to just be a good time where we shouldn't leave angry at each other's throats. We should be laughing and be like, okay, okay, you got me. So it's not that maybe you're right. Maybe. Maybe you're right. It's not that anyone's directly getting roasted.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Sure, sure.

[Ian Crossland]

But we're going to make fun of each other.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Roast some points.

[Unknown]

Alex Stein. Stein, of course.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And it was funny as the roast.

[Ian Crossland]

Mess during the pilot, we. We were like, we need Stein to be the comedic levity for the debate. He was the one trying to keep it together.

[Unknown]

Yeah. If it's too crazy, he'll.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I've been on his program where I didn't know what I was getting into, and I didn't know if he was going to do, like, a straight interview, which is what he ended up doing, or if he was going to go there and just be like, Alex Stein. Which is.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Assumed.

[Kyle Seraphin]

And so I. I literally got invited on. We were doing it remote. He was up in Dallas. I'm in Austin. Like, I pop on the screen. And he was like, and now we have Kyle Seraphin. Like, how you doing? I'm like, I'm doing pretty good. I haven't seen you since I saw you humping my leg last. Which is the last time I saw him. He was actually humping my leg. And he was like, oh, well, let's talk about some stuff in the news. Catching Alex Stein off, off guard is like my favorite thing in the world. By the way, when I first met him, I met him at a C. Not a cpac. I met him at a AM fest. I walk up to him And I had never met him before. He had just started following me on X. I'm standing there with my wife. My wife is tiny, and Alex is a pretty big guy. He's obviously a lot bigger than me. So I see him standing there. I go, hey, hon, I'm going to go say hi to him. She was like, oh, don't do that. Do that. I'm like, I'm just gonna go. I go, hey, Alex Stein. Hey, how's it going? Kyle Seraphin. You're my biggest fan. He had absolutely no idea what to do with that. He looked at me, he's like, it is.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, it's what's really crazy.

[Kyle Seraphin]

I like catching people like that off guard. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I am surprised to a certain extent at how famous Alex Stein is.

[Kyle Seraphin]

He's really recognizable.

[Ian Crossland]

It's. It's because. But, like, he's wearing a suit and he's tall.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Y.

[Ian Crossland]

We walk to the casino, and every time that someone's running up to him going, prime time 99. And it's like.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Like it's. He branded it. Well, he did a good job with that. He was not screwing around.

[Ian Crossland]

Some dude jumped up from the blackjack table and it was like, prime time 99.

[Kyle Seraphin]

He also jumped on barstools sort of thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Kyle Seraphin]

Became like a half villain by doing his thing there so he didn't screw up.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, everybody, smash the like button. Share the show. Follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast. Subscribe if you haven't already. We got clips coming up throughout the weekend. Tomorrow is the Culture War Live event. We hope to see you there. There is an afterparty. It's going to be crazy. So, yeah, thanks for hanging out. Kyle. Do you want to shout anything out?

[Kyle Seraphin]

Yep. You guys can find me in the mornings. I'm on rumble. I'm on YouTube. I'm on X. It's at Kyle Seraphin on all those places. Real easy to find.

[Steven Stamboli]

Oh, sorry. Yeah. I'm on Twitter X. Whatever you call it now at stambo2a. Thanks for having Kyle on. Who asked me to come.

[Ian Crossland]

Right on.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's always a pleasure.

[Unknown]

A wonderful opportunity to be here. This for sure, man. We're changing the world.

[Kyle Seraphin]

So keep doing it.

[Unknown]

Do your best. Put some good stuff out there into the universe. Feed the algorithm the food that you want to eat as. As a child when you're reincarnated later, and take it away. Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

You see in Crossland on X, I'm Phil that remains on X. You can follow my band. All that remains on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Ian Crossland]

We will see you tomorrow live in Washington D.C. at the D.C. comedy Loft. Doors are at 2pm thanks for hanging out.

[Kyle Seraphin]

It's nice sir.

[Ian Crossland]

Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret. It doesn't have to be. Let me point something. Hang out. You're listening to a podcast right now and it's great.

[Kyle Seraphin]

You love the host.

[Ian Crossland]

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