Trump DOJ To Ban Trans People From Owning Guns After Catholic School Shooting w/ Connor Tomlinson

Summary

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Timcast IRL — Podcast Summary

Episode: Trump DOJ To Ban Trans People From Owning Guns After Catholic School Shooting w/ Connor Tomlinson
Date: September 5, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Connor Tomlinson, Carl Benjamin, Phil Labonte, Tate Brown

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Overview

This episode delves into several major current events and controversies, primarily centered on the Trump DOJ's reported plan to ban transgender individuals from owning firearms in the wake of a Minneapolis Catholic school shooting. Tim Pool and his panel—featuring UK commentator Connor Tomlinson, Carl Benjamin, musician Phil Labonte, and producer Tate Brown—provide sharp analysis, debate political strategies, and critique cultural developments. The discussion also expands to the cancellation of Chicago's Mexican Independence Day festival, shifting views within left-leaning media figures, UK politics, and the role of algorithm-driven content ("Floydgate") on social media. The tone is independent, irreverent, and often combative towards establishment narratives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump DOJ's Planned Ban on Transgun Ownership

[08:50] - Tim Pool introduces a reported DOJ proposal to ban trans Americans from gun ownership following a mass shooting allegedly committed by a trans woman.

• Political Framing: Tim sees this as a tactical move to corner liberals—either defend trans gun rights (thus expanding 2A claims) or abandon trans activists.
• Quote (Tim Pool, 11:10):
  “This is one of the smartest things the Trump admin has ever done. It is akin to a fork in chess... Democrats have two choices: defend trans Americans' right to own guns, or abandon them as a group.”
• Panel Debate:
  • Carl Benjamin [12:35]: Supports restrictions:
    “I think it's entirely consistent…with an armed citizenry and banning crazy, demented transsexuals from owning firearms.”
  • Phil Labonte [14:53]: Warns against blanket bans; prefers case-by-case evaluation rather than associating all trans people with violence.
  • Tate Brown [17:01]: Notes Second Amendment has always involved limits for “lunatics” even in early America.
  • Tim Pool [16:01]: Suggests classical liberalism is exploited by leftists and communists to erode rights.

2. Broader Gun Control & 'Mentally Ill' Restrictions

• Concerns: Blanket bans for “mental illness” risk being broadly weaponized by political opponents.
• Reciprocity Principle:
  • Carl Benjamin [16:31]:
    “If you don't apply a principle of reciprocity, you get exploited.”
• Debate on HRT as Disqualifier:
  • Panel argues whether HRT, like certain SSRIs, could constitutionally justify removal of gun rights.

3. Shifting on the Left: David Pakman Leaves “The Left”

[37:58]

• Tim plays a clip of liberal commentator David Pakman expressing disaffection for the activist/purity-test left, noting he no longer thinks they're “the same movement.”
• Quote (David Pakman, 38:29):
  “There’s the governance-focused big-tent win-elections left—that’s where I am—and then there’s this purity-test left... maybe we were never really part of the same movement.”
• Panel Analysis: They see this as trend—moderate liberals abandoning the activist orthodoxy, reinforcing claims that “the culture war is being won by the populist right.”
• Quotes:
  • Tim Pool [39:03]: “Thank you for acknowledging this. What you're describing is how we define woke: the cult-like, puritanical leftism.”
  • Carl Benjamin [41:19]: Disagrees with Tim's definition; insists “wokeness is gay race communism,” focusing on critical theory and egalitarianism.

4. The “Woke” Debate — Definitions & Infighting

[40:50-56:51]

• Tim vs. Carl:
  • Tim frames “wokeness” as cult-like adherence to ever-changing liberal orthodoxy, not a coherent ideology (e.g., critical theory).
  • Carl claims it's rooted in “blank slate” egalitarianism and critical theory—“gay race communism”.
• Postmodernism & Power:**
  • Panel ties left’s inconsistency to postmodern philosophy: “truth doesn’t matter, only winning the argument or the power structure.”
  • Quote (Phil Labonte, 54:34):
    “There’s so much postmodern influence... you don't get logical consistency.”

5. Chicago's El Grito Mexican Independence Event Canceled Due to ICE Threats

[25:15]

• Tim Pool:
  “Could you just imagine—Mexicans and illegal immigrants gathering...then 300 ICE agents arrest everybody. They actually feared ICE was going to go and start rounding up this massive group.”
• Discussion:
  • Should the event organizers be criminally investigated for “encouraging illegal immigration”?
  • Issue of “ethnic enclaves” and historical parallels (e.g., Orange Riots).
  • Carl Benjamin [31:50]: Suggests even naturalized citizens/visa holders who “celebrate the independence of a foreign country over their host should be made to leave” as part of assimilation.
• Broader immigration critique: Problems with multiculturalism, assimilation, and “blood and soil” arguments.

6. UK Politics & Migration Crisis

[19:51, 22:50]

• Nigel Farage’s predicted win: An example of right-wing “hard swing” in the UK; rise of anti-immigration policies—mass deportations, debate over citizenship for ethnic minorities.
• Carnival of Dysfunction: Ongoing crisis, street violence, “migrant sex offense every day,” radicalized enclaves.

7. "Floydgate": Algorithmic Slop & The Future of Online Content

[95:58]

• Summary: What began as transgressive meme culture is now swamped by algorithmically-generated AI George Floyd content—“Floydgate”—much like the earlier “Elsagate” phenomenon on YouTube.
• Tim Pool [98:09]:
  “There are videos like this with millions of views... I believe what’s happened is because of SEO... people overseas are making AI George Floyd videos that are not even jokes... just algorithmic schlop.”
• Impact: Kids will grow up with a warped sense of reality; the mainstream is now shaped by what the algorithm finds viral, not by any coherent culture.
• Quote (Carl Benjamin, 103:00):
  “The amount of slop content that I’ve retained in my brain... now it’s even more incoherent crap as their whole frame of reference.”

8. "Woke Right" – James Lindsay Controversy

[67:11, 74:11]

• Tim: James Lindsay is creating a new “woke right” by using the same cult-like tactics to enforce his own liberal orthodoxy and blacklist opponents.
• Quote (Tim Pool, 68:02):
  “Every tactic he's using in his woke right escapade is on par with the cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy—blocking, labeling enemies, poison-the-well.”
• Carl Benjamin [76:23]:
  “He thinks he’s the new Bill Buckley, but he’s just got schizophrenia... alienates people because he’s fundamentally antisocial and insane.”
• Panel agrees Lindsay’s “woke right” labeling is a failed attempt to dominate new ideological ground, mirroring leftist tactics.

9. Paid Social Media Shilling for India Over Tariffs

[84:07]

• Tim Pool calls out major right-wing influencers for allegedly taking undeclared money to lobby against Trump’s India tariffs.
• Tim [85:42]: “I believe they should be banned...I don’t believe they should be allowed to lobby on behalf of a foreign government.”
• Carl Benjamin [87:27]: Shares DC political whispers on Indian lobbying and concerns over H1B visas.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the DOJ’s chess move (Tim Pool, 11:10):

  "This is one of the smartest things the Trump admin has ever done. It is akin to a fork in chess... Democrats have two choices: defend trans Americans' right to own guns, or abandon them as a group."

• On political retreat of the left (Tim Pool, 21:02):

  "There’s no more fear and Silent Majority like we used to have. It’s not a big deal anymore if you’re a celebrity and you come out and say you support Trump..."

• On definitions of 'woke':

  • (Carl Benjamin, 41:19):

    "Woke is gay race communism."

  • (Tim Pool, 64:22):

    "It is simply the cult-like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy. Whatever liberalism demands, that is what wokeness is."

• On Floydgate & Social Media (Tim Pool, 98:09):

  "On Instagram, there are videos like this with millions of views... what Elsa gate was, was just the beginning. And now we are probably looking at 500 different versions of the same algorithmic schlop nightmare being fed to Gen Z and Gen Alpha, which is gonna make their brains jello."

• On paid influencers for India (Tim Pool, 85:42):

  "I believe they should be banned. I don’t believe that they should be allowed to lobby on behalf of a foreign government undisclosed..."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [08:50] - Trump DOJ move to ban trans people from gun ownership
• [16:31] - Reciprocity and why classical liberalism is being exploited
• [25:15] - ICE and Chicago’s Mexican Independence Day festival
• [31:50] - "Blood and soil" nationalism, assimilation, and naturalization
• [37:58] - Clip of David Pakman disavowing the activist left
• [40:50] - Open debate on the definition of 'woke'
• [61:39] - Origins of woke: ideology vs. cult-like conformity
• [67:11] - James Lindsay and 'woke right' tactics
• [74:11] - Milo’s visualization of James Lindsay labeling wide swaths of right as 'woke right'
• [84:07] - Exposé: Right-wing influencers shill for India on tariffs
• [95:58] - Floydgate: The rise of AI-generated nonsensical George Floyd content
• [103:00] - Lasting impact of internet brain rot and algorithmic content

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Episode Flow & Tone

The panel moves fluidly between news analysis, philosophical debates, personal experiences, and humor. There's lively disagreement, especially over the nature and definition of “wokeness.” While critical and occasionally acerbic, the show frequently leavens serious moments with dry wit, self-referential memes, and irreverent asides.

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Conclusion

This episode is a comprehensive and combative deep-dive into current culture war flashpoints—gun rights, transgender policies, the evolution (and retreat) of mainstream liberalism, mass immigration, and the power of internet algorithms to shape (or rot) collective consciousness. The hosts argue the populist/conservative moment is ascendant and parse the ways establishment and cultural gatekeepers are adapting or fracturing, even as new forms of ideological policing emerge within their own camp.

Essential listening for those tracking the ongoing political, cultural, and online transformations in the U.S. and U.K.

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Transcript

[Tim Pool]

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[Tim Pool]

MLS 696891 the Trump DOJ is planning to ban transgender people from owning guns following the mass shooting in Minneapolis, which has got a lot of people split. There's of course the staunch to a right saying, I don't care, you can't do this. Conservatives are saying if you're mentally ill, you can't have a gun. And that is the debate. However, consider this, my friends. Will liberals take this to the Supreme Court? If they do, the Supreme Court will expand gun rights because of liberal arguments, and if they don't, they abandon the transgender activism. This is a, I think this is a political move by the Trump admin, knowing they're putting Democrats in an impossible situation. So we're going to talk about that. And then we got. Oh man, probably the craziest story. El Grito in Chicago, a celebration of Mexican independence has been canceled because Trump is sending in ice. Let me just stress that again. They said they are concerned about the safety of the attendance of Mexican Independence Day ceremonies because of ice. So people here illegally celebrating independence from Mexico. Yeah, that one's pretty funny. And Donald Trump is gonna rename the Pentagon the Department of War. And then we gotta talk about Graham Linehan in the uk. We did talk about this a little bit the other day. For those that aren't familiar, this is a famous comedian. He made the IT crowd, Father Ted, a couple other shows, and he's very well known. He got arrested in the UK for tweets he made in the United States about transgender individuals and activism. Now here's something that I had missed initially in the story. He's not even a British citizen. He's Irish and the tweets were made in the United States and the UK arrested him in the uk. So this is crazy. And now I'm going to say this, guys, I honestly, I think we won. I mean, I know a lot of people don't want to admit it because there's still like some deep state plays, but I'm sitting here on Instagram and Instagram is recommending these videos with millions of views and it's just AI generated videos of people making racial slurs and like outright racial humor. And I'm just thinking to myself, how is Instagram allowing this right now? I mean we have. The pendulum has swung so far in the other direction. Now we got another story. David Pakman, prominent liberal, he left the left. He did. I mean he's like playing it lukewarm, saying he's only been somewhat red pilled, but he's outright saying like, this is not, we're not part of the same movement. These purity tests, they don't actually want to work a win. And I'm just thinking to myself, like, wow, when David Pakman is pulling an anacasparian, Ana Kasparian already pulled an Anacasian, which is a mini Dave Rubin. How do they win the midterms when they're losing their prominent personalities? 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And it shall not be infringed, my friends. Smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Connor Tomlinson.

[Carl Benjamin]

Hello, sir. Good to be back in functioning country, out from under the iron curtain of the uk.

[Tim Pool]

Man, they arrested a foreign national comedian celebrity in your country. You guys are nuts.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, we. I'm sure we're going to go through plenty of that, including Nigel Farage, the impending next Prime Minister of the uk, testifying for Congress this week as well, getting drilled by Jamie Raskin.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, you think he'll be the Prime Minister?

[Carl Benjamin]

Current polling suggests it. Wow. He might get knocked off course in terms of policy if he strays leftward. However, it Looks like he's got a once in a generation ability to disrupt the Unit party.

[Tim Pool]

So who are you? What do you do?

[Carl Benjamin]

I am host of tomlinson talks on YouTube. I'm a senior contributor to Courage Media. I co host deprogrammed at the New Culture Forum and I tweet at on Tomlinson and I tweet nothing on behalf of India. Unlike all of your conservative influence.

[Tim Pool]

That's another, another big story. We're talking about tons of prominent personalities on the right all tweeting in favor of. Of stopping. They want the Trump admin and not tariff India. And some of them deleted these tweets. It appears that they are paid on behalf of India to lobby for India. I say ban them all, but we'll talk about that. Thanks for hanging out. We got producer Tate.

[Tate Brown]

What's up guys? Tate Brown here. I'm a little upset I didn't get a. Get a recommendation from India. I mean, I've been known to knock back some butter chicken every once in a while. So the fact that I didn't get, I didn't get a, you know, an offer. It's a little disappointing.

[Tim Pool]

I think butter chicken is British actually.

[Tate Brown]

It could be, but I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Chicken tikka masala is British, isn't it?

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, but you know, we have the recipe. They can leave.

[Tim Pool]

So good. Perfect. We actually, we got Indian food. This is the important thing to understand, guys. Orange chicken, American. It's true. Chicken tikka masala. Scottish, I think. Yeah, I think it's Scottish.

[Carl Benjamin]

Wife India.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Glasgow. Is that what it was?

[Tate Brown]

Glasgow? Yeah, yeah, it's a great city. Fantastic city.

[Tim Pool]

I heard the Scots invented fried chicken.

[Carl Benjamin]

That wouldn't surprise me. They've been. Yeah, they fry it.

[Tate Brown]

They fry, they'll fry. It's like we get so much flak for frying stuff. Then you go to Scotland. It's like a nightmare.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, but that's because you guys do it in seed oils and give yourselves cancer.

[Tate Brown]

Sure. They do beef tallow, fried Mars bars. It's a beautiful thing.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that sounds great. Phil's here.

[Phil Bonte]

Hello everybody. My name is Phil Bonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the big news from the Independent Trump looking to ban transgender people from having a gun and declaring them mentally ill. Oh boy. The DOJ is reportedly considering a proposal to restrict trans Americans from possessing firearms, making a dramatic reversal of the Trump admins pledges to preserve Second Amendment rights while escalating the President's attacks against trans Americans. The proposal, according to cnn, comes in the wake of a mass shooting in Minneapolis Catholic Church allegedly committed by a 23 year old trans woman, which has fueled conspiracy theories and right wing outrage, baselessly alleging trans people are predisposed to commit violence.

[Carl Benjamin]

Disgusting framing, may I just say.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Since taking office, Donald Trump has issued a series of directives targeting trans Americans, including an executive order that erases federal recognition of trans people and other measures that restrict gender affirming health care and bans traff trans athletes from competing in women's sports. The DoD has also forced out thousands of trans service members. Trans people are not linked to higher rates of violence and the overwhelming majority of mass attacks are committed by cisgender men. I'm going to pause real quick and say that's a lie.

[Carl Benjamin]

Well, which ethnicity of cisgender men?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, so I, I had a. I love ChatGPT because it's basically an establishment machine where you can test the perception of the establishment. And so when this happened, I asked, I said the story, I took the link and I posted in ChatGPT without saying anything, just sharing the story. It responded with, trans people are not more likely to commit mass shootings. I asked it how come several of the previous of the latest most recent mass shootings were committed by trans people? And it then said, white cisgender men commit more mass shootings than any other demographic. And when I asked it about black men, it said, when black men in Baltimore, St. Louis, Chicago and D.C. commit mass shootings, and they do commit a disproportionately high amount of mass shootings, those don't count because they're motivated by poverty, whereas white cisgender men are motivated by mental illness issues or political causes.

[Phil Bonte]

Insane.

[Tim Pool]

Which is like, okay, well, now you're lying. But that's the narrative machine. The reason why ChatGPT says this is because our news institutions will say cisgender white men commit more mass shootings. And when you go, what about the black community in Baltimore and D.C. where there's a disproportionately high amount of mass shootings? And then the mainstream media just says, well, due to, due to poverty and other factors, we don't consider those. Our experts have decided those aren't the same thing as a mass shooting. And it's like it is. But back to the story. I want to say this. I am. This is, this is one of the smartest things that Trump Admin has ever done. This is a Master move. It is. It is akin to a fork in chess. You ever see one of those beautiful moves where you got the rook in the bottom left corner and their king and you put the bishop and they're in check. And now that's like you got to move your king out of check and they do, and then, boom, bishop takes the rook. That's what this is. Democrats and liberals have two choices. They can decide to go to the Supreme Court to defend the right of trans Americans to own guns. And I agree. They should be allowed to own guns, which means Democrats will be forced to argue in favor of gun rights, which is going to be real tough for them. Or they're going to have to abandon trans as a demographic. They're going to have to outright say, we're not going to go to bat for you in this process. You just lose your rights to have guns.

[Carl Benjamin]

You are presuming that they will not continue to live with crippling cognitive dissonance.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't say that. I said they're going to have to fight on our behalf or abandon. So I don't care what their motivation is. I don't care what lies they want to say. I don't care what claims they want to make. When liberals and the ACLU and Democrats go to the Supreme Court and say, you can't ban trans people from having guns, the Supreme Court then says, you're right, everybody can have guns.

[Carl Benjamin]

I think Chat's gonna hate me and accuse me of being a communist European or something.

[Phil Bonte]

I'll do that anyways.

[Carl Benjamin]

I say this, oh, well, you know, well, we invented American liberty. That's fine. I'm happy that you guys to get to retain it, even if my country doesn't. But I think it's entirely consistent with having a republic capable of guaranteeing its own security with an armed citizenry and banning crazy, demented transsexuals from owning firearms that they will use on people other than themselves. I think that that is completely consistent. And yes, there's lots of fear about the government just arbitrarily classifying people as mentally ill and confiscating your guns.

[Phil Bonte]

They'll do that anyways.

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[Carl Benjamin]

They're going to do that anyway. You can put, you can put reasonable limitations on who should and shouldn't own firearms, including the people like, you know, Audrey Hale or that Dylan Butler person in Iowa, or this brand new trans shooter who just hate Christian children and want to murder them on mass.

[Phil Bonte]

The people that make the argument, oh, you can't do this because then the left will do it to you. We've already seen that the left will do it regardless of what the right does. Now, that this particular issue aside, right, I don't know if it's actually the right move to say trans people can't have guns. I think there's probably a case by case, you know, case by case decision because I don't think that everybody that's, that's trans is likely to go and shoot up a church. I think it's, it's far more likely if they're immersed in the LGBTQ ideology. And there are probably other factors. I don't think that a blanket ban would work. But that doesn't mean that, you know, I'm also not, you know, going to sit there and be like, oh, we can't do this because the left will do it to us. Because that's not an argument. They're going to do it either way. If they, if they had the option, if they had the ability to remove guns from the, from every private individual in the United States, they absolutely would. So to say that, oh, you can't do this to trans people because they'll take your guns if they get the chance, if they have the ability, they're going to do that anyway.

[Tim Pool]

The other thing to consider too is that we have continually tried to maintain this classical liberal approach to we must protect the rights of everybody, even our enemies. And what we've learned is that communists have exploited that for the past several generations to burn us to the ground. So my attitude's shifted and I'm more like, if you're in favor of gun rights for all, and you've, you've fought for the protection of 2A and 1A, I'll defend you as well, regardless of, you know, what economic system you want. But if you're a commie who's tried taking guns away from other people, when they come for your guns, I'm gonna put my feet up and say, I ain't helping you.

[Carl Benjamin]

I have the same mentality with everyone I meet. You treat people as well as you can the first time you meet them, and after that you treat them as they treat you. Otherwise, if you don't apply a principle of reciprocity, you get exploited. I will just say, before Tate chimes in, I think that if they're gonna do this, it won't be on the diagnosis of gender dysphoria, strictly because then you'll have, you know, people with depression or history of depression having their guns taken away. It might be that people are on currently HRT in the same way that it exacerbates violent symptoms, something like SSRIs or testosterone replacement does.

[Tate Brown]

Well, yeah, even then, I mean, even there, there even is an argument. This is kind of like. It's the same argument we had. The flag burning is like, if you don't do look at the founders view on these sorts of things, on the second Amendment is they did have the English common law tradition of lunatics. It's like the, the second Amendment is predicated on responsible gun ownership. And that's why you had an early colonial governments and early state governments restrictions on like felons on, on loyalists, ironically, which is pretty funny. And then lunatics, because it was like there was this understanding that this is, this is a protection of responsible gun ownership. So there's a. I think it's a perfectly valid question for the Trump administration to ask is, okay, these people clearly aren't responsible. And the fact that they're not predisposed to violence, it's like, well, they, they're predisposed to violence against themselves. We see that on a very regular basis. So it's like, I don't. I think there's room here for this, for this argument that Trump's administration is making just on constitutional. Constitutional grounds.

[Phil Bonte]

It's funny you mentioned hrt, because I saw that the Department of Defense or the Department of War, the future Department of War, has started looking into testosterone and steroid use for the Special Forces. They're not actually as against it as they used to be. Like, maybe we should start testing to see if this is actually going to help the guys out.

[Carl Benjamin]

That's fine if you're pointing the guns at a bunch of jihadists in a desert, but if you're pointing at a school bus, it might be, I want super soldiers.

[Phil Bonte]

Like, if the. If the D boys want to do juice, let the D boys do juice.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so here's an argument then, like, when we have serial killers, why don't we just pair. Drop them into enemy nations?

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, that's not actually a bad idea.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, Foreign Legion does that.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, they really.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, they get like psychos from around the world and just put them in an army. It's awesome.

[Carl Benjamin]

Like Suicide Squad.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, they just go to, like, guys from West Africa that are like hardened criminals and they go to the French Foreign Legion, go back to West Africa and just settle score of like 10 years. That's hilarious.

[Carl Benjamin]

That's why Britain was so peaceful. Like, you had about 1 to 2% of the population axed every year via hangings. And then the rest of the crazy people went into the army and then either administered in the Caribbean or got blown up and. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, sensible way of doing it.

[Tim Pool]

It's getting crazy, though, to be fair.

[Carl Benjamin]

The Trans battalion, if you did have one, they would take like 40 casualty before you engage the enemy. So I don't think it's a sustainable strategy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I, man, I think, you know, we were talking about, we're in the off season for, for, for everything political and news related. The election cycle's over. It's not just that the election cycle is over and we're on off here after Trump lost in whatever way you want to say he lost in 2020, 2021, we did not have nearly the kind of apathy and drop off in politics that we're seeing now. And I think the reason is I think we've won substantially more than we realize. You're saying Nigel Farage is gonna be the Prime Minister?

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, that's a hard swing.

[Carl Benjamin]

It's a hard swing, definitely. I don't think it's any doubt as to whether or not Nigel Farage is gonna win the next election. Barring unprecedented and unforeseeable political circumstances, however, the manner in which he wins is questionable. The last time I was here, we were discussing the fact that reform seemed to have been tracked softer on things like mass deportations. And when we discussed that, it got a fair few hundred thousand views. And I happen to know. But Nigel Farage has been, after a year of denouncing them, he's now said, I am in favor of mass deportations. Now, he said he's not going to do the Tom Homan approach. And he said he's only going to deport men who are criminals. He's not going to deport the families with them, which is obviously a problem, because then if you deport a guy's dad, he's going to then, especially if he is of the Islamic faith, become radicalized in your own country and be radicalized against you. So you do actually have to send all the families with them. And now you've got the Conservative Party leader in waiting because they're going to axe the current Conservative Party leader, replace him with Robert Jamrich, who's come out today and said, we need a decade of net immigration, and I will deport every single legal immigrant in the country. So you're getting an arms race in the UK now as to who is the most credible to copy Trump and conduct mass deportations, I will stress, you.

[Tim Pool]

Know, so basically the point was, you know, everybody in the political space is seeing a decline in viewership. One of the reasons why we've been working on the Culture War podcast over the past several months is because we understand that news people don't need news anymore. Everybody already knows. It's like. And when it comes to news commentary, there's too much. And so we need debates and spaces. So viewership is not across the board for everybody. But it's not just that we're in an off season. It's that we have made such tremendous gains. There's no more fear and Silent Majority like we used to have. It's not a big deal anymore. If you're a celebrity and you come out and you say that you support Trump, I mean, Chris Pratt does. He does hollow commercials. Where he's like, please pray with me. We're seeing more and more stuff like that, and I think it's a good thing. But this means that, you know, seven, eight years ago, there were a lot of people that were terrified. They were in their workplace. They were silenced. They were told they had to say things that weren't true. And then they would go online and they'd watch all these videos, all these shows that kind of helped them. They knew that they weren't along. They saw this. Now I go on Instagram and it's just like, guys in Burger King hats, you know, if you know what I mean? And they have millions upon millions of views. I showed Connor a video earlier where it had like, 400, 000 shares. And what was it like a black woman screaming she wanted EBT or something. And I'm just like, listen, they're jokes. They're based on racist tropes. They're funny. Doesn't mean I, you know, I don't care. I'm not gonna rag on a race. It's like, they're just jokes. They make one of white people, black people, Asians. But Instagram is allowing it. And I'm like, that's how much it's shifted. So I feel like there's a lot of people right now, especially right now. It's summer. The fear is gone. Trump has won. The change is coming. The deportations are coming. The things we want, like, nature is healing. And so the stress has kind of been released.

[Carl Benjamin]

That's wonderful for you guys. I'm glad you guys are tired of winning. At the moment, we're in the precipice of street violence. People are waving the national flag as a symbol of protest in my own country. And when your own flag becomes a symbol of protest, it shows you how bad things have gotten. We've got a migrant sex offense every single day. We've got like 50, 000 illegals pouring in over boats every single year.

[Tim Pool]

We still have all that bad stuff too. I'm just saying.

[Carl Benjamin]

Crazy problems, sure. But.

[Tim Pool]

But I mean, like, we still have these bad things happening. We still have these narco gangs. We still have all this. It's just that the average person feels like we are seeing the results.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

So when you say, like, Nigel Farage is tracking to win, like, you are also seeing results now, what I will stress, seven AfD politicians dead in a few days. Yeah. And, you know, looks the left is not just, you know, bear in mind.

[Carl Benjamin]

As well, our election is almost guaranteed to be at least Another four years away and it's more likely that we get imminent civil unrest before another election.

[Tim Pool]

I would, I, you know, as much as I would actually say, like, I hope you guys just win and if there is a civil war in the uk, I volunteer to join the expeditionary Force and go and help liberate.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The British Patriots.

[Carl Benjamin]

The Beanie Battalion parachute in. I mean, you were joking. Well, half joking on the other day, but I will say about it, about conquering the uk. Yeah, well, temporarily liberating, even Cromwell himself is temporary. Of course, England always needs a king. However, the interventions by the American State Department and the, and Jim Jordan and the Judiciary Committee have been more than welcome because just like the Biden administration was meddling in Silicon Valley and had implications for Europe and the uk, Keir Starmer's labor government have been meddling in American tech, they've been meddling in American politics. And so you guys have needed to wade in and the fact that you felt the need to wade in has created much more breathing room for UK patriots to operate in their politics.

[Tim Pool]

What I, what I, what I'm going to do. Okay. After the coalition of volunteers secures control of the uk, we will install Milo Yiannopoulos as Viceroy temporarily. Temporarily. Until a new parliament parliamentary system is re established and then we'll have to name you a new king. After removing the royal family, for which I believe the Benjamins, notably Carl Benjamin and his family, will become the new monarchs of, of the uk.

[Carl Benjamin]

Long may he reign.

[Phil Bonte]

So long. To the House of Windsor. Hello to the House of Benjamin.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, to this next story from Block Club Chicago. El Grito Chicago called off as ICE agents sent to city. We need to keep our community safe. The popular Mexican Independence Day festival at Grant park this weekend was called off in consultation with state and city officials amid threats of widespread ICE rates. Could you just imagine all of these, you know, Mexicans and illegal immigrants gathering in Grant park to celebrate Mexican independence and then just like 300 ICE agents surround the park and just arrest everybody and just get all the illegal immigrants into porn. They actually fear that was what was going to happen. I want everybody listen. To stop and just think about that for two seconds. That they actually were concerned that ICE was going to go and start rounding up this massive group of non Americans here illegally celebrating Mexico's heritage.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, when Trump said we're going in, what do you think it was going to look like? Vibes essays. We're going in, you know, no more independence.

[Carl Benjamin]

Obiek said earlier on on the stage at natcon today, he said it's fine. If you want to wave a foreign flag, you can do that on the flight home. I. We have this exact problem in the UK where basically the British Empire has folded back from unsolved mysteries to unexplained.

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[Carl Benjamin]

Konos. Not only are the administration bodies of the empire, like the civil service and the home office, inhabited by the sons and daughters of said empire, and they're taking out their ethnic and historical grievances on the native population. But like ethnic colonies like Birmingham, one of our major cities, that's just. It looks like New Delhi. It's entirely swamped by the subcontinent. Back to back lights up its library in the colors of India and Pakistan's flag to celebrate their Independence Day. It's like, oh, wonderful. You're so independent from the empire that you're here. I want you all gone. Go celebrate it elsewhere.

[Phil Bonte]

That kind of stuff shouldn't be allowed by. I mean, I understand that, you know, it's a free country or what have you. Well, ostensibly, right. If you're, if you put up the flag of St. George, there's a problem. But if you put up the flag of India, that's fine. But at this, the point I'm making, I guess, is like, if you are going to come to live in a country, you should embrace the values and the, the flag and the culture of that country. If you don't like those things, then you probably should go back to your country.

[Tim Pool]

I want to read this from El Grito Chicago. It says, mi gente con el corazon roto. We have announced that El Grido Chicago two day festival in down on Chicago will be postponed. It was a painful decision, but holding El Greedo Chicago at this time puts the safety of our community at stake. And that's a risk we are unwilling to take. While we are torn by this decision, when we brought this celebration back, our aim was to create a safe, affordable, family friendly community festival for all. We look forward to accomplishing that in the future together bringing El Greedo Chicago back stronger, prouder and more united than before. To all our vendors, artisans, artists and community groups who plan to join us, you are the flavor that makes Algredo Chicago special to our community. You're the beating heart of the celebration. Blah, blah, blah. Our priority now is for all tickets to be refunded Fall refunds will be immediately. Will be. Will begin immediately. To everybody who purchased tickets through our website at ticket sign up, refunds will go back to the original form of payment. Please allow 7, 10 business days. We're saddened by the loss. Okay, I'm gonna pause real quick and just say the next move the Trump DOJ needs to make is begin a criminal investigation of the organizers of El Greedo. Because if they were facilitating a gathering of illegal immigrations, that is a immigration of illegal immigrants, that is actually a violation of law to induce or encourage illegal immigration. Let's go. In this country. And if they're holding festivals where they know and expressed knowledge that they were selling tickets and profiting off of individuals who are here illegally for this celebration, I believe there should be some action taken against them.

[Carl Benjamin]

Will you be able to trace via the payments, presumably back to some illegal aliens? At least. I mean, it'd be worthwhile. At least they can celebrate Cinco de Mayo in Alligator Alcatraz. That'll be nice. Fun for them.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, that'd be a good time. Yeah. It's like the fact that these massive ethnic enclaves exist in the first place is. Just demonstrates how broken our immigration policy is. And this is actually. This has happened in America historically. Like, if you look up the Orange Riots, this is fascinating. This was like New York City, 1870s, and you had Irish Protestants and Irish Catholics literally going on the street in New York City and killing each other en masse. Like, dozens and dozens of deaths. And it's like, so this is a. This has happened. It's been a big problem. And this is just gonna get violent if you keep permitting these in the conclaves.

[Tim Pool]

I'd like to read Title 8 USC 1324A, Subsection 1A V. Or is that 5? I believe it's V expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of foregoing offenses. However, there's also. So it is five. It's also subsection A1. A4 makes it an offense for any person who encourages or induces an alien to come to enter or reside in the US Knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to entry a residence is or will be in violation of the law. The organizers have stated. Now they're gonna. There's arguments to be made, and they're gonna. And the left is going to be like, no, no, you're drawing inferences. Whatever. I believe after a criminal investigation, the likelihood that you will find evidence the Organizers knew that they were encouraging illegal immigrants to come to Chicago for this festival. I think that's. That's clear as day for anybody when they say, we're canceling the event because ICE is going to be there. You know what they're saying? That they knew that they were taking money to facilitate an event that would encourage illegal immigrants to come to this festival. And that is a crime, a federal crime. And I'm tired of weak DOJ being like, well, it may be illegal. We're not doing anything about it. I'll give you another example. In West Virginia, drag shows in public are illegal explicitly, as are they, especially involving children. And there have been numerous instances in West Virginia where they've had drag shows and brought children on in public. And it's in the law outright that you can't do this. But they go, oh, but you know, the activists now, stop being weak, okay? If the laws need to be changed, they can go to Congress and change the laws. If people in Chicago don't like that this law exists, well, then vote. And if the Congress can't change the law because people vote against you, you don't get to just break the law. And then we sit back while the DOJ allows it.

[Carl Benjamin]

Allow me to go one step further as well. Based on what Phil just said, not only should the illegal immigrants themselves, if they're gathering this one place, they should be deported. No matter where they are, they should be deported. Every single last one of the 10 to 30 million of them that you. You guys have in your country now. But also, I think that if you are a naturalized citizen or if you're here on a visa that can be revoked, as the Trump administration is exploring as part of his DOJ memorandum back in June, the denaturalization process. If you're repeatedly celebrating the independence celebrations of a foreign country, if you're waving a foreign flag, if you are celebrating the success of another country over and above your host population, why should you be given continued residency? You should be made to leave, too. Like, you aren't contributing anything to the social fabric. You're demonstrating a hostility to the host majority of heritage Americans in this country. You're probably not economically contributing either, though. This country isn't an economic zone. You should leave.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, you see it with. If you ask, like, Mexicans that are living in the United States, they genuinely believe that California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona is rightfully their land and that it was stolen from them. They say, oh, no, the border crossed us. So they're literally openly admitting they. Yeah, Well, a, that they lost, but they're openly admitting that they feel entitled to this land. Like it's, this is a different element at play here is they believe truly that they've been wronged and that they're trying to rectify a historical wrongdoing.

[Phil Bonte]

Yeah, I mean, look, throughout all of history, if you lose a war, you're going to actually have consequences. Right. The idea that, oh, these wars that have happened in fairly recent history, in the past couple hundred years, their consequences don't apply to me and this land that we're on, it's actually I'm entitled to it. Which you're not even personally entitled to it. It's just you're like, oh, this is a blood and soil argument.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Phil Bonte]

And that's a ridiculous argument, especially in the United States.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it shows assimilations broke down because they're saying, no, I'm American, I'm an American. It's like, okay, then you press a little bit on this, say, well it used to be our land. You know, this is our, rightfully our land. It's like, okay, so below the American identity there's this strong Mexican identity. So they're, they're making a blood and soil argument.

[Carl Benjamin]

There's barely subterranean ethnic resentment. You get the same thing in the uk. So Ed Hussein, who's a second generation Indian immigrant who's a Muslim, who's ex jihadist, did a book, I think it came out in 2021, called among the Mosques. And he just tours all the towns and cities of the UK speaking to these like moderate imams, the owners of madrasas and the mosques. And anytime he presses just a little bit on the issues that, that Muslims have, as soon as you say something like, oh, but you're not concerned about the grooming gangs, you're not concerned about being segmented away from the broader community and you know, cousin marriage and things like that, they go, well the British started it. You know, they invaded our countries, they toppled our tribal leaders, they inflicted horrible things on us, like, you know, not letting us stone rape victims. And we just had to import ourselves back to your country and practice cousin marriage and steal all your wealth. It's actually your guys fault.

[Tate Brown]

So yeah, they press and then they admit that their presence is a form of punishment because they're saying they're getting revenge.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, diversity or strength, until it's not.

[Tim Pool]

We are getting to the point where we're seeing a lot of these individuals just say we're conquering you, you've lost. Yeah, like the confidence is becoming such that there have been videos where they're just like, what are you going to do about it?

[Tate Brown]

Los Angeles, like four months ago. That's exhibit A.

[Carl Benjamin]

Or in the uk whenever these protests have been happening outside of Simon Hotels. Like the men who are just laughing with glee and filming them on their iPhones that I, my tax money has paid for. Frankly, if you had arrived and broken into someone's country and then the government of that country had given you a four star hotel spending money and then marshaled the police to protect your reputation as an invader against the negative opinions of parents that are afraid that you're housing their children's school. Yeah, you would think you're a conquering army, wouldn't you? That's why they behave like it.

[Phil Bonte]

Yeah. And, and it's, you know, it's not, it's like not hidden anymore. And there are people that will call you names and say you're, you're racist for noticing or acknowledging what they will, will openly say. And it's good that there are people that are, are no longer cowed by that. Pardon me.

[Tim Pool]

So there are people that are noticing.

[Phil Bonte]

Yeah, there are people that are realizing. Noticing whatever you want to call God, I'm the wrong phrase. But, but the point is like the.

[Tate Brown]

Ghost of Steve Saylor, his profile picture like the Batman signal.

[Phil Bonte]

I'm sure that my mentions on X are going to be an absolute mess for the next couple of days. But, but yeah, the point is like if you acknowledge that the argument they're making is, you know, is the exact, the same kind of racist argument, like you get called names, you know, it's like, oh, you're a racist for even acknowledging this, this obvious truth.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's, it's more. We're just saying if you can have blood and soil nationalism, why are we not allowed? Why is it racist when we do it? Or why is it just straight up not permitted? But then every single person around the globe outside of like Western Europe and America is totally allowed to do that.

[Phil Bonte]

Well, not just allowed. I mean that's just normal.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's just, it's like normal. It should be normal human behavior. But for whatever reason in the west we've just like decided that we're just economic zones that you just interchange people in and out of.

[Tim Pool]

Well, my friends, let's jump to this next story. I would say that man, we, we really did win, didn't we? David Pacman has left the left of all the people. Let me play the clip for you so you can hear for yourself. He Gives a little nuance to it. But listen, he's concerned. Nobody wants to just dive right in. Even Ana Kasparian was slow about being like, the left has gone nuts. Even Dave Rubin was, was not, you know, just an overnight thing. David Pacman is now exhibiting the basics of leaving the left. When you know. Did you guys know that when. When that viral video from Prager went out called why I left the Left from Dave Rubin. Dave didn't actually intend on stating that phrase. I left the left. Dave's intention in that video was the left is bad. And the interpretation that like that they took was that Dave had left the left. And so even Reuben was doing something similar. Let me put it this way. David Pakman is saying I'm not the next Reuben while doing literally the exact same thing every disaffected liberal has done when they've gotten red pilled.

[Phil Bonte]

The only reason he's saying I'm not the next Ruben is because they have this idea that Rubin was bad for doing what he did. All he did was acknowledge that the left is crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the clip. Have not changed in terms of my views. None of us have. What has changed, as I pointed out yesterday, is I no longer believe we are all part of the same movement. There's the governance focused big tent win elections and pass laws left. That's where I am. And then there's this purity test left. The ones who don't really care if.

[Carl Benjamin]

We lose and sometimes seem to like it.

[Tim Pool]

So they can say I told you so as long as they feel morally untainted. Yep, that's how they treat compromise as corruption. They think you need a better media ecosystem. Must mean install CIA approved thought leaders or something like that. So maybe we were never really part of the same movement. If I've been red pilled about anything, maybe it's that indeed we overlapped when convenient and that was it. But I'm not getting red pilled. I'm done pretending that everyone with a left wing label is on the same page.

[Carl Benjamin]

Blue sky.

[Tim Pool]

You can stand for progress in a lot of different ways. You can want change. Oh, he's got torch. I mean everyone, this is the only 98 on your side. But no, I am not having a political awakening. I am not the next Dave Rubin. None of that. Yeah, he is. And you know why? His views are in the gutter. Remember when he said this during the election? He was like, I'm losing so many subscribers. Holy crap, what's happening? Regular people are leaving the left. They're sick of it they're moving on. My views have. Haven't changed. Hey, David said the same thing. The only difference is when someone came to me and said, how many lights are there, Tim? I said four. And they went, you're mistaken, there are five. I says, no, I'm not, and stop lying. And if you keep lying, we're gonna have problems. And David said, yeah, there's five lights. And now finally he's realizing he's on the wrong side of history. And so his. You can see the motivations of people like him late to the game. Why? Well, because he chose money and is willing to drop to his knees for whoever wants to pay him. Now, I will say this. I'm gonna back off a little bit. Everybody should be praising David and saying thank you for acknowledging this. What you're describing is how we define woke. Purity test, moralistic leftists who just want you to be part of whatever they say is true, regardless of whether or not it's right, regardless of whether or not they'll actually win or change anything. They're self sabotaging. And it's a puritanical ideological leftism where if you deviate in any way, they cancel you. Okay, that's been woke the whole time. The cult, like adherence to liberal orthodoxy. And David's being like, wow, I'm just now realizing this. So as much as I don't trust the guy, that's fine. The play here is to say, thank you, David. Please tell me more what a good person you are for explaining this and we will fracture the cult.

[Carl Benjamin]

So I don't know if I agree on that just because. And I understand wanting to be accommodating. However, I don't agree that wokeness is defined by its tactics or its, its characteristics in operation. This is why people apply the name woke, right? You know, they say, oh, right wingers are behaving just like the left, therefore it's woke, right? No, Woke is gay race communism. And the thing with David Pakman is he hasn't changed his views. It is.

[Tim Pool]

It's not.

[Carl Benjamin]

Okay. It is because he still has not changed any of his views. And so he wants to consolidate the existing gains of the revolution without jeopardizing it as a political.

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[Carl Benjamin]

Of his co freaks are so antisocial that they put people off. So he's hoping to repackage the same values in the same way. He's not reassessing his same price. He wants the revolution to continue unfurling, but in a sustainable fashion. And just one final thing, it's hilarious that he says all of these CIA approved people, dude, you had the values of the entire deep state of Goldman Sachs of Walmart until about 15 seconds ago. So the idea that you are some sort of renegade is quite so when.

[Tim Pool]

You have so wokeness is not gay race communism. There is an element of the left that adheres to those ideologies. But that I've argued this quite a bit doesn't explain why there's the pro Ukraine faction which does not engage in arguments about critical theory, gender or race. And it doesn't explain why people like David Pakman who largely take an economic pro war view that he largely ignores those progressive arguments. And gay race communism is still considered woke. And two more points, Mark Warner who is considered a moderate Democrat is defending Kilmar Abrego Garcia and additionally so that's the political element. The Jaguar commercial where they espoused nothing political, but it was a weird modern art display of bald people wearing weird pastel makeup was also called woke up.

[Carl Benjamin]

Because they're all black and androgynous, but.

[Tim Pool]

Doesn'T explain Mark Warner. So all of these different things that are called woke, if you put an umbrella over it, you try to ask what is the lowest common denominator that allows us to define woke? And is the cult like adherence to liberal orthodoxy? That means David Pakman will never call out gay rights communism, but he himself is not a gay race communist.

[Carl Benjamin]

Well, liberalism is just the the slow unfolding of gay race communism maxim is just Marxism and wokeness is just its eager stepchild. As far as Ukraine, the reason they support it is because they want to make it a sort of But I'm.

[Tim Pool]

Going to pause you again because what you're doing is you're cutting half of the woke people off because they don't hold those views. That's why that doesn't make sense.

[Carl Benjamin]

What, what, ok, what, what woke person did not fold themselves into BLM and support trans David Pakman? Did he not support blm?

[Tim Pool]

He didn't call it out, he didn't question it. He largely ignored those issues and he consistently does it is the cult like adherence to their orthodoxy unchallenged, which puts them in the woke camp, I think you would find.

[Carl Benjamin]

I don't watch David Pakman show like everyone else in this room. I have a IQ above 50, but I'm sure you would find an abundance of clips of him banging on about systemic racism or saying that Trump is committing some kind of transgender David.

[Tim Pool]

David Pakman has always played the moderate Democrat route, but never called out until now the excesses of the lunacy on the left. And so when we look at someone who's waving a Ukraine flag and they put it in their profile, what does that have to do with critical theory in any capacity?

[Carl Benjamin]

Because it's not critical theory, it's human rights. It's the doctrine of the blank slate. And so they want Ukraine to be part of the international global liberal order through which universal human rights are unfold. And both.

[Tim Pool]

I hear you, the individuals in this country that don't know anything about critical theory will not argue in favor of communism, will actually criticize the ideas of communism, but march in lockstep with those things we define as woke. So the point is, there have been numerous prominent conservatives have said woke is critical. Race theory, gender theory, gay race, communism, et cetera. And then that isolates a core group of personalities and the entire sphere of influence for which they control, which includes prominent liberals who are pro war in Ukraine, pro Taiwan, anti China, anti Russia. It ignores them and their influence in the similar space. So when we look at what this whole like David Pakman, why would I describe him as woke? Because for the longest time he has engaged in sophistry to uphold liberal orthodoxy. But he himself in private. There are many liberals we've had on the show that do this thing where it's like, obviously trans kids is not a good thing and we shouldn't do that. And they'll actually say things like that while trying to dance around Pisco, who we have at the culture war. He'll be here tomorrow. He does a lot of this. He offers up a oh, you're right about these things, but then uses sophistry to try and defend the whole of liberal orthodoxy. So my point ultimately is while we do highlight individuals that are critical theorists, gender, race or otherwise, there are prominent left that we call WOKE because they will protect it while privately trying to downplay it. When they say things like, you know, I hear what you're saying on that. They will then try and convince you to come into the fold of the greater liberal orthodoxy. I'll try and keep it simple. It does not matter what is logical or true. White, blond hair, blue eyed, Eastern Europeans are people of color according to woke. But that defies the oppression hierarchy they also claim to uphold. They say the military industrial complex is bad and the funding of war by the United States is bad until it comes to Ukraine. It's all completely illogical. It's almost like I describe it as a murmuration flying around randomly. And as long as you stick with it, you are in the WOKE sphere whether it tilts left, right or otherwise. David Pakman, by coming out and saying the purity test left is finally breaking from WOKE by calling them out explicitly.

[Carl Benjamin]

I think the connective tissue here that we would agree on is what we discussed when I was on the culture war last year, which is whether or not they're congenital liberals or dyed in the wall gay race communists, they all believe on the blank slate and so they might differ on the instruments by which they achieve this latent human egalitarianism that's lying underneath.

[Tim Pool]

I disagree. I don't think they believe in the blank slate.

[Carl Benjamin]

You don't think David Pakman believes in the blank slate?

[Tim Pool]

I would argue that David Pakman largely doesn't believe in anything except the color green and pictures of dead presidents.

[Carl Benjamin]

Okay, well, I can't really speak to that because I don't know how disingenuous.

[Tim Pool]

David Pakman is a. I mean, look at what he's saying right now. Right? Let's be real. He knew. He knew what he's saying now a long time ago. Okay, Anybody of reasonable intelligence who can build a platform, create the graphics, study the algorithm of YouTube and create a channel with millions of subscribers and every day read the news, knows full well when they are lying. When David Pakman, My favorite clip from him when he brought. He played a clip from msnbc. No, I think it was NBC News. It was Chuck Todd talking to Ted Cruz. And he asked Ted Cruz, do you really believe Ukraine interfered in the US election in 2016? And then Ted Cruz goes, the New York Times reported it. And then a producer starts laughing in the background. David Pakman then starts going, I can't believe it. He actually thinks that there's no way David Pakman in his research to find that clip and is Isolating. It didn't actually look at the New York Times story that said Ted Cruz was correct. Ted Cruz. So David Pakman is cognizant of his lies. He knows full well. I would. I would argue. And I've known the guy for a while, not like we're good friends or anything. If you got him in private, he'd tell you outright. Yeah, of course, that's completely illogical. None of it makes sense. But I've got an audience and I got to make money. So I'm going to defend them and say whatever needs to be said so that I can maintain my viewership and grow my channel and defend it. We would consider people who do that still to be woke, despite not actually following. Now that. Then what is the greater umbrella? Umbrella? The cult. Like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy. More importantly, what is woke changes. For example, womixen W O M X N was called. Was. Was deemed at one point to be the appropriate spelling for women because it's inclusive to women of color and trans women. Until a week later when trans women said, we don't need a special word. Just say woman, and you're a bigot. And then it changed again. So you can argue that those are components of gay rights, communism, I guess, but there's no logic defining when it is or is not.

[Carl Benjamin]

The logic is that it's advancing towards the ultimate goal of absolute egalitarianism.

[Tim Pool]

Except it changes.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, but that's. Yeah, but it changes every day because the various aggrieved client groups make their bids for what is and isn't, excluding them. So there's a form of collective bargaining there. But the ultimate guiding North Star is absolute egalitarianism. And David Pakman might well be a grifter. However, I think if you sat him down and you asked him if the Democrat Party could sufficiently redistribute enough welfare and free health care and human rights and housing to as many men from Mogadishu as possible. Would they become American? He would say yes, which means that he does believe in the blanks.

[Tim Pool]

I think David Pakman would try to engage in sophistry where he would not take an absolutist stance, and he would try and nudge you towards the liberal orthodoxy for the purpose of building audience and making money.

[Carl Benjamin]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

That is, if you sit with David Pakman, he's the kind of guy who's gonna be like, obviously, that's an extreme. And I don't think that's true for all people. I do think, however, some people can. That's the angle he's gonna play.

[Carl Benjamin]

Right, okay, well then, so this is the point.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, when you have liberals who are like, the military industrial complex is bad and we've got to stop increasing the military budget, and then you go, I agree. Now say Ukraine. I go, no, no, no, Ukraine deserves more money. It's like, okay, there's no logic to what you're saying. You're literally just saying what MSNBC is, is adhering to. That is liberal activists would argue the military industrial complex is bad. And in the same breath, say, Hassan Piker does this, and we're like, he's woke up. Yet he simultaneously argues for and against the military industrial complex. And I will say this too. When, when the funding or defunding of the military industrial complex is a component of the left, that's nothing to do with, with critical theory.

[Carl Benjamin]

I think diluting the philosophical consistency of a position that can be ascribed to woke by also saying, these people are sophists, these people are grifters, these people are stupid. And the. In this, in the instance of Hassan Piker, means that we're actually making the waters more murky in what we're trying to describe.

[Tim Pool]

I think when you say woke is.

[Carl Benjamin]

Critical theory or not critical theory, it's gay race communism.

[Tim Pool]

But that, but you're just. That's just a pejorative for critical theory.

[Carl Benjamin]

It's an instrument in enacting the final goal of total egalitarianism. But I think too much premium is placed on critical theory as the origin point of work. I think it's John Locke, but there you go.

[Tim Pool]

Critical theory is just the umbrella for critical gender and critical race theory. And then you say gay race communism.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, but also, I'd lump.

[Tim Pool]

You are excising out large portions of the influential liberal base that engage in political activism who don't ascribe to that, but ally with these people.

[Carl Benjamin]

But I think they all do ascribe to it, whether or not they've read it, like their default assumptions.

[Tim Pool]

It's just not correct. It's just not correct. That's why Anna Kasparian breaks out. That's why David Pakman leaves the left, because they never believed it. They were just adhering to the liberal orthodoxy. When Anna Kasparian lies about me personally for years and then one day has an epiphany and changes her mind, she's woke. We say she's woke. She's lying about all these things. It is the cult like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy. And the orthodoxy changes every day. It's Impossible to actually follow what the rules are. So the wimixon is just one example that I use where you say, okay, liberals tell me what I should or should not say and then the next day they pull the old tweet from a week ago and then cancel you for it. There's no logical consistency. What they're saying is or is not true. Now, I agree. Critical theory, gay race communism is a large component of what we've seen among the moralistic liberal orthodoxy. But certain components of it change whenever it's appropriate for them to gain power. I mean, isn't it so real quick just. Sorry. When they say Republicans challenge the election and then every election they've challenged, when you've got a 40 minute video of Democrats saying Republicans have stolen the election every single election. And then. But Republicans are bad for stealing the election, you're like, there's no logical consistency what they claim. I think that it is just a cult.

[Phil Bonte]

I think there is one second. I think the feature that you're actually acknowledging, Tim, is that there's so much postmodern influence on the left.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Bonte]

If you don't, if you have a postmodernist who's making an argument, you're not going to get logical consistency. Because part of the postmodern, I guess, philosophy is that there are no actual overarching narratives that matter. So what you do is make arguments that are functional. So that way you can win the existing argument that you're in. You can make a different argument later, tomorrow, the next week or whatever because the actual underlying philosophy isn't important. Agreed. You're going towards a goal.

[Tim Pool]

And that is not unique to critical theory or gay race communism.

[Phil Bonte]

No, that's that it's postmodern.

[Tim Pool]

It's not unique to postmodernism. The idea that there's no truth but power or the authority the might makes right is not uniquely postmodern. So when, when liberals.

[Phil Bonte]

It's not about what. It's not about might makes right. It's about what useful arguments will help you win the argument you're in. And that's not about what the liberals.

[Tim Pool]

Are doing is saying truth doesn't matter. All that matters is I somehow steal power from you. And that has been true of the liberals in the Democratic Party for decades, irrespective of the rise of wokeness in the past 15 years. That's.

[Phil Bonte]

That's the postmodern incident. That's the postmodern incident.

[Tim Pool]

So when liberals have had this behavior and tendency pre postmodernism, why would we then Ascribe postmodernism as the principle of woke.

[Phil Bonte]

When. When. When are you talking about then?

[Tim Pool]

I'm talking about the 2000s when they were challenging the election.

[Phil Bonte]

Postmodernism didn't rise in the rise of.

[Tim Pool]

Critical theory specifically is the end of the 2000s. And we look, we see this in the LexisNexis data. That's, that's, that was before they were already challenging elections while claiming they don't.

[Phil Bonte]

But that, that isn't when postmodernism came onto the scene. Postmodernism kind of came on in like the 50s and 60s.

[Tim Pool]

All right, so, so the point is, if we're talking about wokeness as gay race communism, let's just. We'll clarify gay race and postmodernism is a large principal component of what is the ideology held by these people in 2008? LexisNexis data shows across the board and newspapers all around the world. The rise of critical theory terminology, white supremacy, trans et cetera. Pre this and I'm sure everyone in the chat agrees Democrats still behaved this way if they cult like adherence to to their through their orthodoxy. A great example that I Highlighted was the Prop 8 video from like 2011 where the Democrats were falsely ascribing views to the conservatives about gay marriage in California for the purpose of winning on that issue. This is before we were taken over by the cult. Like I'm sorry, before we were taken over by gay race communism, whatever. There was still on the left. If you were on the right, you were bad. Right means bad. Right has always meant bad and you must do what we say is acceptable or you will be excised.

[Carl Benjamin]

So the reason I don't want to define it by tactics is to use a comparison. So political correctness came from the term Parthenost from Lenin in the early 20th century and Solzhenitsyn and Gulag Archipelago describes how people's capacity for self delusion even in prison would allow them to dob in their spouse as being insufficiently devoted to the Communist Party or accept false charges so that their sons and daughters would join the Komsomol, the Young Communist League, even though they they knew themselves were not guilty.

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[Carl Benjamin]

So that capacity to lie, to delude, to adhere to a cult like orthodoxy comes long before the specific Manifestation of WOKE as being gay race communism. So I wouldn't define it by its tactics because those tactics are parties, tradition. No, that's what I'm saying.

[Tim Pool]

Were the fascists woke?

[Carl Benjamin]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. And so when you have a totalitarian system, an authoritarian system, people bend the knee and will say for the, for those that know the reference, there are four lights, it's from Star Trek. It's actually a reference to something else that people have explained to me. But Picard was being tortured, there were four lights above him and the torturer said, tell me there are five or I'll electrocute you.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, it's from George Orwell's 1984.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And so anybody will do that. When the liberals say do it or we will make you suffer. That is, it is just a fascistic ethos held by the left. And that's why I'll put it this way. I guarantee you, David Pakman coming out and saying, you know, I'm finally realizing this, it's cuz the money's drying up, he's on the wrong side of history. But I guarantee you if tomorrow a progressive organization said we're gonna dump a bunch of sponsorship and ads into your channel, if you just apologize for that and say you were wrong, he would do it in two seconds. Most of these liberals would. Let me tell you, I have, I, I've heard a lot of people critical of critical race theory and gender theory, which are bad, describe WOKE specifically as that. Yet these people don't actually believe any of it. And I've proven it. And I think, I think we'll, we'll prove it substantially to a greater degree because when you offer them money, they drop the act immediately. So I'll give you an example and I'll laugh about it when they post this in the SLAP forums. Boonies HQ Skate park, right? So we start filming content, we make skateboards, we sell skateboards. We've done like, I don't know, over $100,000 this year in boards. The last several months have been massive. The, the don't be Gay board sold, I think $16,000 in a month for skateboards. And I was told by some of these guys in the industry that we may actually have one of the highest selling skate companies in the world now for boards. Cuz the industry is flat. Well what happens is these WOKE activists go online and start saying f Tim Pool, he's a fascist, blah blah blah, people start agreeing with them. And then you know what I did? I said, hey, do you want to come and skate at our park, I'll give you $1,000 to film videos. And what did they say? Yes, and what are they saying now? I never actually believed any of that. I just, you know. So what we see here is power dynamics, irrespective of actual underlying ideologies. The people who go online and claim to believe this stuff when offered cash, flip on a light, like a light switch.

[Carl Benjamin]

I don't think the existence of grifters. And it's there. It's not.

[Tim Pool]

It's all of them.

[Carl Benjamin]

It's not all of them. There are many true believers.

[Tim Pool]

The point I'm saying is that there are powerful people who have weaseled their way into HR and into industry who hold these views. And all the people claiming that they hold that they actually don't. And so wokeness in the bigger picture, when we're looking at the mass majority, I'm talking about the people who know they're lying. The people who are standing in the crowd thinking, look, I've gotten more than enough messages from celebrities who are publicly woke who said, I actually don't agree with any of this, but I'll lose my job, I'll lose my sponsors, I'll get fired from my company. That's the majority of the people we call woke. They are just adhering to the cult out of fear. And you offer them cash and a guarantee, they drop it in two seconds.

[Phil Bonte]

I think that, like, I understand the point that you're making. Using woke as a broad term is functionally correct, but I also think that the. There are thought leaders on the left. There are people that are actually coming up with these ideas and they're filtering through into those people. These people, like your average WOKE person, didn't come up with any of the ideas that they have on their own. They come from academia. Usually they come from.

[Tim Pool]

I get all this philosopher. My point is people will say woke is specifically this ideology. And I'm like 80% of the people who are marching with liberals don't believe any of this. The core issue is in fact just that they have the adherence to the murmuration. There is. There is a swarm that is moving left, right, up, down, top left. Makes no sense. Supporting fundamentalist Islam and LGBTQ causes makes literally no sense and adheres to no ideology, but it's because they're told they must. And so I would describe it as Barack Obama did a Mexican standoff. So how is it that critical race theory adheres to Islam, which is a fundamentalist authoritarian system that does not comport with WOKE ideology or critical theory because.

[Carl Benjamin]

They believe that Islam has only been provoked by white settler colonialism into being.

[Tim Pool]

I don't believe that's true. I think that's sophistry. I think that's an excuse. And the reality is you've got people pointing cancellation at each other. This is how Obama described it several years ago, that I'm scared that you have a powerful political action committee in your space that people will bend to. That is a vendor will cancel your contract if you insult Islam, that if you draw a picture of Muhammad on the COVID of your magazine, Islamists will come and murder you. So what happens? People who fear this, adhere to that, to that restriction.

[Carl Benjamin]

This is a totally real phenomenon. At the same time, pretty much everyone that is currently running the UK government and all of their paid foot soldiers are true believers because they're doing this at personal expense, for sure.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not saying they aren't. I'm just saying to define WOKE as critical theory ignores Islam. And so when you look at the bigger picture of these conflicted ideologies that don't go together, you're like, okay, so hold on. The expansion of the desire for Sharia law in some of these communities is completely in conflict with LGBTQ activism and the idea of the oppressed minority, especially considering Islam is like the second biggest religion in the world. So defining woke as critical theory, at the same time, the liberals in this country have large elements of support for Islam. It's not the ideology, it is the cult like adherence to these power structures.

[Carl Benjamin]

They think they're going to basically shed that third world barbarism if they just redistribute to them enough money, enough social housing.

[Phil Bonte]

That's because they believe they're blank slates.

[Carl Benjamin]

They believe they're blank slates.

[Tim Pool]

Those woke people do. But I'm saying the majority of people that we describe as woke because of the things they do and they say in their heart of hearts and in private, are actually saying, I don't want to be killed by an Islamist and I don't want to be killed by an antifa guy.

[Carl Benjamin]

But then I probably wouldn't apply the term woke. They're going along with woke consensus, but they're just cowards and grifters and conformists. Like, I would define WOKE as a set philosophy, but then.

[Tim Pool]

So the issue I take with this specifically and why I give it a more broad umbrella, is that people like David Pakman would be defined as woke despite not actually believing it and only adhering to it out of a fear of the power exerted by minority groups and their willingness to be extreme. So that's why I say it is simply the cult like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy. That is, whatever the umbrella of liberalism determines you must do is what wokeness is. It is the cult like adherence to it. And so for someone like me, who's a relatively liberal guy who does not adhere to their orthodoxy and says, that's nuts, and I won't agree with that, they call me right wing. I am no longer a liberal. I am no longer on their side. They have excised me, despite actually being a traditional liberal.

[Carl Benjamin]

Well, you never believed in the blank slate, so you want a traditional liberal term.

[Tim Pool]

Traditional liberals, like in the 90s, didn't.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, they still tried to keep in tandem the freedom and equality principles, which is why it was mainly defined by Bill and Hillary Clinton Democrats.

[Tim Pool]

So I would just, I would just, you know, to move on, I would just describe it as there's a large phenomenon of prominent cult like cancel list liberals, people who will destroy your life. They will send the hounds of war, the hounds of hell at you when you speak out of turn. They will call you far right, they will call you every name in the book and they will get you banned and do whatever they can. And they don't believe in blank slate and they don't support Islam and they don't support the trans stuff, but they're surrounded by people with pitchforks and they're like, I don't care. I'm part of the group. That's all that matters. And I will just wrap it by saying all of the celebrities, professional athletes, and people that I know personally, who I have seen make public statements, who privately have said, I'm just scared because I'll lose my job. When we look at what's happening right now with the trends in politics and like I mentioned Instagram and all that, that's why I think we've really won. Doesn't mean we've won permanently. At least this battle. We've, We've defeated them. Because regular people now are just outright being like, yeah, screw that. And people like David Pakman, who's, you know, whatever you want to call him, sophist, grifter, he's abandoning all of that. He never believed what the woke believe. And now that it's not profitable and their political power has waned, he's coming out and being like, yeah, they're bad. He knew they were bad five years ago, but he adhered to their orthodoxy in a cult like fashion and attacked those who opposed him because he wanted to be in the liberal orthodoxy. That's it. To be a liberal is all that matters. And it doesn't matter what the liberals believe, be it supporting Islam, which is at odds with LGBTQ activism.

[Tate Brown]

But I do think sometimes you do see people like this specifically on a track given like six months, when they do come to the more like centrist, moderate position is they are still trying to just repackage the same WOKE ideas with right wing, with a right wing facade to pass a sniff test.

[Tim Pool]

James Lindsay is a really great example of what's going on right now in the political space with our overwhelming victory. Because James Lindsay is woke.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, he believes in the blank slate.

[Tim Pool]

Right. And that's a component of it for sure. But the reason why I define javelin's James Lindsay as WOKE is because his willingness to use underhanded tactics and force to get to make others adhere to a liberal orthodoxy. The difference is James Lindsay doesn't like the critical theory that dominated the liberal orthodoxy. The reason why he rejected it and they challenged it and they will explain this to you and you can read everything that he and his and his cohorts have stated is that it was detrimental to liberalism and what they wanted to happen. Now you can look at what James Lindsay is doing. Every tactic he is using in his woke right escapade is on par with the cult like adherence to liberal orthodoxy.

[Carl Benjamin]

Did you see?

[Tim Pool]

Despite the fact that he's not a critical gender theorist or critical race theorist, he is blocking people, insulting them, saying quote, it's not my job to educate you. He's labeling anyone in any, any kind of right, different ideology is all woke. Right. He is, he is accusing his enemies, that of which he is doing, he is doing everything the woke did in the 2010s. But I believe James Lindsay's motivation and he's like, my understanding is like an open relationship, polyamorous liberal guy. His motivation was critical theory is bad for the liberal orthodoxy and it must be stopped. But the liberal orthodoxy overpowered him and he lost control of that. Now that it's weakened, what is he doing? The same exact tactics they've always used against conservatives to assert a new supremacy among what the liberal orthodoxy must be. And so its strategy isn't working very well, mind you. But I believe the end goal of James Lindsay and what he's doing is he wants to reestablish a cult like adherence to liberal orthodoxy under his view of what liberalism should be, that is Polyamory, abortion, you know, certain liberal standard liberal traditional policies, exemplified by his Willingness to call, to insult literally everybody as woke right. He's using a term that, that he knows disaffected liberals have a distaste for. He's using it to target people who are not woke in any capacity. He's basically saying alt right as exactly what the woke did. Throughout the 2010s I have created an umbrella term for everyone who is my enemy on the right. I will label all of them as such even if they disagree with each other and aren't even right wingers. That way I can poison the well and create an enemy list. It's, it's, it's Alinsky. It's, it's, it's one on one. He is creating a new form of woke. And that's why I see James Lindsay is the perfect example of woke right. He is the right arm of the liberal cult like adherence.

[Carl Benjamin]

He thinks he's the new Bill Buckley, but it turns out he's just got schizophrenia. So basically he's ended up on the right and he's rearranging the furniture in his refugee camp to make himself feel more at home. When actually it turns out that if you just alienate people people because you're fundamentally antisocial and insane. For example, he called all of the people that were doing the hoist the Colours campaign in the UK putting up the Union Jacks and the English flags. He compared them to the confederates. He said this is a psyop to rehabilitate the Confederate flag. James. You know absolutely nothing about the politics in my country, you arrogant Todd. And your brand of liberalism has come out entirely in the wash because it's been repudiated because you haven't reassessed your priors in how it was the handmaiden for the wokeness that you, that you hate so much. And the only reason he hated it, which he put with Helen Pluckrose in Critical Theory, is because it would provoke the right wing backlash. Because remember, the revolution is never the problem. It's only the counter revolution that's the problem.

[Tim Pool]

So I want to show you this from Milo Visualized almost every conservative James Lindsay has called woke right on there. Yet I, you know, let's, let's, let's find out. Let me see if I can make this a little bit bigger so it's easier to read. I love this because you've got reactionary and, and, and Baptists. I don't know. That is random Bronze Age pervert. Oh, okay. Tradcaps Christian stupid fly. Get out of here. Paleo cons. Philosophers. Miscellaneous right Wingers, British right, national conservatives, organizations, anonymous individuals, gropers, mainstream maga, anti interventionists and anti Zionists.

[Carl Benjamin]

Lady magazine that's literally a drag queen.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Indeed. So this is why James Lindsay really does, I think exemplify why or at least look. It's just my argument, maybe I'm wrong, but I view WOKE as the cult like adherence to liberal orthodoxy.

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[Tim Pool]

James Lindsay's goal right now is he's a liberal guy. He's always been a liberal guy. He doesn't like conservatives. He has outright stated his, his, his, his principal enemy is national conservatism. He calls any and everyone who is against him woke. Right, because woke is a buzzword that is a negative connotation. He is accusing his enemies that of which he does. He blocks people on X and refuses to argue with them because his arguments are bad. That's what WOKE people do. He is basically saying I don't care if it's right, I don't care if it's true. If you are my enemy, I will seek to damage you unless you adhere to what I demand you adhere to. Now that we've seen, you know, Cracker Barrel, Jaguar, Bud Light, Target take massive hits over perceived wokeness that is varying degree like even Jaguar was interesting because it was not political, it was contemporary art but it, it was reminiscent of gender theory even without even explicitly being gender theory. All that's all that it took for Jaguar to get in trouble. Not to mention the electric car idea was let's get rid of all the high end cars for the wealthy people. We like what James is doing. Recognizing the power structures of cult like adherence and the fear that these, these communarians, I guess you come, these are people on the left and liberals, they don't care what's true. They care about fitting in. James Lindsay seeks to Exploit this by creating an enemies list and using the term woke. Because woke is. Has a sour taste in everybody's mouth. The reason why he's redefining woke is because as I've stated, the lowest common denominator of wokeness is cult like here and liberal orthodoxy. He needs to apply woke to the right to break that message so that woke becomes something very specific that doesn't apply to him when he uses their tactics to take over the left.

[Phil Bonte]

When I, when he first started to saying woke, right, I was thinking that he was just trying to talk about people that he considered like what would amount to fascists, but. And he just didn't want to use that term.

[Carl Benjamin]

Well, he then said woke fascist.

[Phil Bonte]

Well, yeah, but he's, he's obviously expanded it far beyond anyone that.

[Tate Brown]

Well, his attempt to intellectualize it was saying that any adherence to identity politics makes you woke.

[Tim Pool]

Except these people don't do that.

[Tate Brown]

Precisely.

[Tim Pool]

So what James Lindsay did, it's not working, by the way.

[Carl Benjamin]

Politics, Identity politics.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I mean, sure, sure, sure.

[Tim Pool]

But the point is like he was saying, hey, you know, woke people are saying like our people this and our people that. There are some people on the right who do that. And then a bunch of conservatives were like, hey, they are doing that and they think the Jews are the problem. And then James Lindsay went, got him and started grabbing random people who don't believe that and putting the label on them. Like alt right was in the early days, alt right people believed that it meant like an alternative to mainstream conservatism. They did not know that it meant white nationalist. So a bunch of regular people were tweeting that they were alt right. They were like, yeah, because people genuinely use it to convey you were anti establishment conservative. Then the AP came out with a style guideline saying alt right means you're a white nationalist and want a homeland for white people retroactively. Every tweet was then pulled up by the mainstream media saying here's Mike Cernovich saying he's a white nationalist, despite the fact that's not what it meant. This is James Lindsay's play. Woke was just the tactics and the cult like adherence they had for liberalism. He knows this, so he needs to take that word, apply it to the right to create an enemy's list using the exact same tactic. And then he can say, that's not us, we're doing something different. He's basically saying, I will try to destroy you and it's not working. But this became very obvious early on when the first arguments were Nick Fuendez is woke. Right. Why? He believes that there are oppressors and the oppressed, and he thinks the Jews are oppressing him. He's identified an identity group targeting his identity group, much like the critical race theorist did. He found this similarity. And then a bunch of conservatives went, oh, yeah, I see what you're saying. They do kind of act the same. The problem is the argument that a powerful group oppresses a smaller group or an oppressed group makes you woke is overly simplistic because there's always going to be hierarchy in class. Look at the lobsters.

[Carl Benjamin]

This is the law of the Middle East. If you're a minority group in the Middle east, you will be oppressed at some point in time.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And so what we're. We're seeing now is this list of people of varying ideologies being labeled woke. When James Lindsay's true strategy is I need to make it painful to defy my liberal orthodoxy.

[Carl Benjamin]

It is really funny seeing, like, Yoram Hazoni.

[Tate Brown]

I guess I'm woke right now just by being there.

[Tim Pool]

Mary Morgan's on there. There's Mary Robert Barnes. I love this.

[Tate Brown]

They put Chris Roof over. It's like, nicest guy.

[Tim Pool]

I love this. Can we zoom in? Oh, it's. That's. That's too much zoom in.

[Carl Benjamin]

It's a good reading list.

[Tim Pool]

Like, yeah, this is just Christian nationalists. And he tried making the claim first that Christian nationalists were.

[Carl Benjamin]

He actually, he actually said that Stephen Wolf's book calls for, like, Christian fascism. And then he admitted he hadn't read the book when he reviewed the book. And he just read a bunch of reviews about the book. I read the book. It's. Look, I disagree with Wolf on a bunch of theology. Like, he thinks that nations exist in the Garden of Eden, for example. Doesn't make it a fascist.

[Tim Pool]

Brianna Morello. I mean, and it's funny because Milo's like, there's not even an exhaustive list. Right. Sargon of Akkad, Carl Benjamin. Yeah, woke, Right.

[Carl Benjamin]

Call had a great reply to this the other day, by the way, which I may or may not have slightly fed to him when. When, when James said, oh, Carl believes in collective rights. What are collective rights? And he goes, well, ask Israel. If it's good enough for Israel, it's good enough for my country, thank you very much. If Israel's a homeland for the Jews, then it can defend themselves. England should be a homeland for the English, America should be a homeland for heritage Americans, and Europe should be a homeland for the respective Europeans, maybe even The Germans, we might let them get away with it. So that is what he got James on. Because Israel exists at the fault line of the post war economic order as the contradiction to liberalism. And I think actually they've got a solid model of national sovereignty. I just want what they have rather than the liberalism that James Lindsay is trying to enforce on my country despite knowing nothing about it.

[Tim Pool]

Look, Homath, do you guys know Hometh?

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Homemath is an anonymous creator who is just talking about dating and like, and like sex dynamics. I don't think I've ever seen anything from Homemade where he's talked about nationalism, Israel, collectivism. He's literally just talked about typical. Like with all due respect to Homemath, a lot of what he makes is standard science of sex stuff. Like if you read a book on human mating practices and stuff, he just draws pictures and shows it.

[Carl Benjamin]

He's just David Buss with crayons. That's it.

[Tim Pool]

He's woke right. So yeah, it is kind of sad, but not really going anywhere. I do bring this up some people, if you're wondering, someone actually super chatted and asked about, you know, my thoughts on it. The simple version is the effort Lindsay. Lindsay is taking by calling people woke. Right is classic wokeness. When they called everybody alt right or white supremacist. It's like if they call me a white supremacist despite being mixed race. They called Larry Elder the white, the black face of white supremacy. They use a blanket term to insult a large group of people of disparate races and ideologies. What they're really saying is it means bad guy. Wokeness was the cult like adherence. And this is my opinion, maybe I'm wrong and the idea was don't be bad guy. What's bad guy? Well, if you're a right winger, you're a bad guy. But we're gonna call you a white supremacist if you're a right winger or far right. James Lindsay is in the identical tactic, but he's calling it woke right because he's trying. It's an Alinsky game. Accuse your opponents, your enemies, of doing what you're actually doing. He's saying woke right means bad guy. And if you defy my orthodoxy, you're a bad guy.

[Carl Benjamin]

Awful lot of the Jews on this list of Nazis. It just happens.

[Tim Pool]

I know, Jack. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And the categories are so fluid. I think you could put a lot of different people in a lot of the different categories.

[Tim Pool]

I, I just love that Mary's on there. Sargon of aad. I, I also love that Milo didn't put Carl Benjamin.

[Phil Bonte]

He puts, you know, like they, he has Pat Buchanan up there.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, what?

[Phil Bonte]

Yeah, Pat Buchanan Paleo under Paleo freed.

[Tate Brown]

Pat Casey's flattered to be right.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Hey, Joe.

[Phil Bonte]

And I mean, I'm not sure I know this is, this is a list of people that, that Lynn, that Milo, you know, came up with that he says that Lindsay has called woke.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Bonte]

But I mean, part of the thing that's, that bothers me most about what Lindsay has kind of, you know, been doing lately is that he has such a massive blanket term. He's been using it as this massive blanket term. And I think it is accurate to say, you know, basically it boils down to anyone that disagrees with him, he starts calling them woke. Right?

[Carl Benjamin]

And it's like Mingo tactics. That's it.

[Tim Pool]

And it is exactly what the left was doing when you defied. So, so I'll put it like this, right? I'm, I'm clearly like a moderate liberal kind of guy in a lot of ways. Conservatives say Tim's not a conservative. Milo said that I defy typical political definition. And to these, to the woke, I'm far right. And when people work with me. Gavin made an interesting point yesterday, and maybe he's correct. I don't know. He said Ben Shapiro is a gateway drug. But it's people like you and me that make it okay for, for liberals to come and join the right. Because I'm not a suit wearing, stodgy, you know, thanks. Well, that was the point he was making. He said regular people don't want to be in suits in the office. And this, this traditional conservative approach is off putting to regular people who, who, you know, they don't, they don't live this way. Right. They don't experience that. I'm not, I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but the reason why I'll, I'll tell you something fascinating. We work with people all the time. We, we recently started working with a new contractor who told us almost immediately they got text messages from people saying, stay away from Tim Pool. Watch out for him. He's far right. And the dude was like, yeah, I've hung out with him, I've met him. He's. None of this is correct. Why are you saying this? The reason is Ben Shapiro. They don't need to say anything about. Ben Shapiro will tell you he's a conservative. He holds these views. He has faith in God, he's Jewish, pro life, et cetera. And they're like, he's already in a different camp. But Tim Pool is a liberal guy who's going to call out all of our lies. He's dangerous. Stay away from him or else. So these people get threats that they're going to lose their sponsors, lose their job for going anywhere near me. Threats they don't get when they are seen hanging out with your run of the mill conservative. I think it's because the cult is scared that there are people who will call out their lies who are approachable by liberals. A regular liberal says, I don't want to be conservative because conservatives are bad guys. But Tim Pool's not a conservative. So what do they say? Tim Pool's far right, even though I'm not.

[Carl Benjamin]

There's maybe an American thing as well because you'll know this because you're kind of plugged into the UK scene. There's no young equivalent Tim. There's no like skateboarding beanie wearing T shirt wearing guys. They're all, they're basically all like loudmouth trad cats and suits in the pub.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but Tommy is a working class guy. Tommy's not that codes differently.

[Carl Benjamin]

Like he's still in.

[Tim Pool]

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[Carl Benjamin]

He's still in the box. He's not in your box of where there's cross pollination. He's very much in the, in the working class populism box. There's no, there's no counter cultural figure like you or Gavin, for example.

[Tate Brown]

I mean like football hooliganisms as mainstream.

[Carl Benjamin]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's jump to this next story and call out the right. We got this. Nick Sorter beware. Large accounts are being paid to attack Trump's tariffs on India to their MAGA audience. Posts with the exact same talking points went out at practically the same time. And of course no disclosure. Many of these accounts are foreign. Don't fall for this. So here's an account that says community notes and violations. America and India should stand united. Slapping tariffs on any over oil won't hurt Moscow. It'll spike prices.

[Carl Benjamin]

Blah blah brown defiant stained hands.

[Tim Pool]

We have defiant l saying India has always welcomed Trump with an open arms. Hitting India with tariffs over oil won't punish Moscow.

[Carl Benjamin]

Why are they all quote tweeting Elijah Schaefer?

[Tate Brown]

It's a Very salient question.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's interesting. Did Elijah have a tweet about this?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, he popped off with, like, a really pro India. Really randomly.

[Tim Pool]

I wonder the L is on me this time.

[Carl Benjamin]

Define L's same tweet. Which one? Define. Scroll down. Define L's, quote. Quote, tweeting.

[Tate Brown]

They all, quote, tweeted the same tweet, and his was like a pro India tweet, just kind of out of the blue.

[Tim Pool]

Weird.

[Tate Brown]

But I think he may have been trying.

[Tim Pool]

No, this is the same. Okay, right. They just said the L is on me this time.

[Tate Brown]

He's. He's quote, tweeting.

[Tim Pool]

What? He accidentally took money from a foreign lobby and attempt to undermine the U.S. my bad, guys. Wow.

[Tate Brown]

This is exactly. Remember when. Like, a few months ago, when they were trying to yank coke off of Snap benefits? And it's like.

[Tim Pool]

It's like, wait, you want people on EBT to get sugary drinks, ice cream cones? Like, what? Yeah, These people are scumbags. I'm going to pull up a list of all them and call every single one of them out. Ace, let me see. How do I search for this? Because I was. I was. I was playing a bunch of these accounts earlier.

[Carl Benjamin]

I will say, though, that giving India Internet access means that it's reputable reputation will now never recover. Yeah, the amount of things that online Indians have claimed to have invented, like spoons and the number zero, obviously not indoor plumbing. It's just gotten completely absurd.

[Tim Pool]

Here are the accusations that I. I'm not going to say are verified. This is just a tweet someone put out. It's got 1,500 retweets. It's from Esthetica on X. Yeah, he's.

[Carl Benjamin]

Been doing good work recently. Half a million followers on that girl with the knife and the axe.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, he's good.

[Tim Pool]

Aesthetica says. List of paid propaganda accounts who took money to shill for India. Gunther Eagleman, Election Wizard. Chuck Calesto, Iron on Patriot. Ryan A. Fournier, D.C. drano, Matt Wallace, Defiant L's and CN Violations. Am I missing something? And you can see all of these people all of a sudden shilling for India. I believe that they should be banned. It is. I don't believe that they should be allowed to lobby on behalf of a foreign government undisclosed to the American people. I don't care who they are, their ideologies or whatever. I'm not playing stupid games. I'm sick of people. I don't know who, but there's gonna be. A lot of people are gonna be like, oh, but he's on our side. I better not call him out. Like, what if you won't interview him? He's got a big following. Don't care. Literally, don't care. I'll be careful because I can't say definitively any of these people, like, you got D.C. drano here. I don't know that he actually took money to post this. He actually says El Salvador. The media wants to paint El Salvador, Argentina, India, etc. As problems, but the CCP is a true threat. I don't know.

[Carl Benjamin]

That's the line that everyone's been saying. Can I just add a. I want to see peace. I want to know Indians, the truth.

[Tim Pool]

I want to. Okay, let me. Let me clarify this for. Let me clarify this for DC Drainer, who did not explicitly come out and attack Trump's tariffs on India, simply made a post that was critical of the ccp. I want to make sure this is clear and sorry for interrupting, but I want to make sure we say this definitively right now, that it does not appear that he is in line with the. With the other posts that were clearly lobbying for India. Just because he mentioned India doesn't mean he was paid to do this. And I think it's important to make sure we say that because I don't want to accuse anybody of something they did not do. Now, as for these other posts, the images we have, many of them outright were defending India and saying we shouldn't tariff them all at the same time. And it appears that some. Some other accounts have outright stated that they were lobbying.

[Carl Benjamin]

So a little bit of context that I've heard from Washington Whispers, you know, the recent pipeline between posters and the administration. Obviously most posters noticed that as soon as that Sikh driver, the illegal immigrant, made the U turn, before they found out they had killed a Haitian family, they thought they were white. And so there was a lot of anti white hatred being emanated from the Indian subcontinent. These sort of things ever since, you know, Vivek fundraisers too. Yeah, Vivek insulted American culture and said that actually working like a giant ant hive country is much better. The sort of salience of India being a negative force has been growing and it was recently mentioned on Natcon on Tuesday by Eric Schmidt. Senator, the H1B visa system is being exploited by Indians and that this should just be stopped entirely. India should not receive any visas whatsoever. I have heard that the Indians put in a very concerned call around D.C. to try and butter up a few senators and Congress people to try and get them to thwart this blog.

[Tim Pool]

What's the tariff that Trump is putting on India? What's the percentage? Do you know?

[Carl Benjamin]

I don't know the percentage.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me, let me look this up real quick.

[Carl Benjamin]

There is, there is a general trend away from divesting against India. I know Israel is like cutting a deal with India.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, look at, I'm sorry, just look at this like Politico. We're at DEFCON 1. India bruised by US tariffs, cozy up to Russia and China. Yeah, I agree. That's not a good thing.

[Phil Bonte]

No, India, I mean there's, you know, whatever many one point, however many billion of them.

[Tim Pool]

50. Sorry, 50% is the announced tariff on Indian exports. Because of what we just saw on X. I want the Trump administration to set at 75.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I want India to be punished for daring to insult the American people with this attempt. Make the double the tariffs, Trump. Put them at 100% and publicly state. If you try to pay personalities in our country to shill on behalf of you because we, the American people voted a man who's going to put tariffs in place, we will punish you twice as much. Crank it up.

[Carl Benjamin]

Tax remittances too.

[Phil Bonte]

Yeah, I mean, everyone knows my opinion on, on remittances and, and immigration stuff.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, the deal.

[Phil Bonte]

Well, I mean I, so like, I generally, I've had a, historically, I've had a favorable opinion of India. This is pat. Like up until 1947. No, I mean like, but like, I don't think that, I don't think that India is as much of a threat as China is. I think China is a significantly.

[Tate Brown]

Okay, but no one's saying that.

[Phil Bonte]

He said that just a few minutes ago.

[Carl Benjamin]

I did because I live in Britain. Right. And India is entirely like ethnically captured.

[Phil Bonte]

Yeah. And so to you Indians, to the uk I get what you're saying. But to the United States, China is.

[Carl Benjamin]

A far more an economic foe. Are Chinese nationals, other than students, of course, flooding your country with their co ethnics. Like, are they infiltrating sectors that Americans could do? Are they. Whenever one of their co ethnics kills an American.

[Phil Bonte]

What I'm talking about is purely a geopolitical, not about an invasion area.

[Carl Benjamin]

You can recover from a geopolitical foe. You can recover from economic collapse. You cannot recover from demographic replacement. And the Indians are doing that. So that is much worse a problem. And there are far, many of them, far more of them.

[Phil Bonte]

That's partially because. That's partially, that's because the, the whole subcontinent was, was British colony before. And so the British feel like it's we, we owe these people free.

[Carl Benjamin]

Well, it's because we've got the 1948 British Nationality act, which was passed by a bunch of socialists following the Second World War, and postcolonialism, which allows them to vote in our elections even if they're not citizens.

[Phil Bonte]

Oh, that's a terrible.

[Carl Benjamin]

So Indians, Pakistanis, Nigerians, they can just come over and be like, yes, I'll just vote for the Indian.

[Phil Bonte]

That's a tip.

[Tate Brown]

There's also, I mean, there's a stat which is horrifying, which is they could distribute 10 million Indians to every country on earth and still have well over a billion people left.

[Carl Benjamin]

At natcon, there was a guy who was saying that he was on a panel about the threat of Islam in the US and he was yet again saying, oh, you know, it's just Islamists, it's not, you know, the moderate Muslims aren't a problem. For example, we've taken a bunch of Muslims from a bunch of countries, we've taken in 0.1% of the population of India. And I was like, you've taken in like, was that 3 billion, 30 million Indians?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Carl Benjamin]

Why have you done this? Yeah, it's just insane. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

I mean ultimately like their image is just in the, like just from the toilet. From. Yeah, from the toilet.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Because just like from the layman's perspective, when you see the videos and the interactions, these sorts of things, it's like, because before, before the Internet, really, just before Twitter in the last like 10 years and Instagram, like India was seen as this like mysterious, you know. Oh, this like spiritual country, like the Beatles, India, Indian immigrants were seen as.

[Carl Benjamin]

A poo, like hard working.

[Tate Brown]

Right. Yeah. And then like.

[Phil Bonte]

And that's, that was the, what I was referring to.

[Tate Brown]

And in all fairness, you know, I don't like to give the Canadians many W's because you know, they're really, you know, they self harm, unfortunately. But the Canadians were like really leading the charge on the India, the India. Because they got flooded like 10 years ago. 15, well, 15, 20 years ago at this point. And it's like they saw immediately what, what the volume would have like that massive of a volume of immigrants could do to your country. And it's grim up there. I mean like the lines out the door for applications to apply it, like a coffee shop. Like if you're a young person in Canada, you're completely cooked. And I mean it's. Yeah, exhibit A really for why you should. Why, I guess why Indians are more of a threat the problem, the problem.

[Carl Benjamin]

Is en masse as well. Like many countries from the third world, it's not just a problem of transplanting their culture because it's is a deeply held privilege because of rates of cousin marriage in that part of the world, because of the clannish family networks. They don't think very individualistically. They, they only extend moral consideration in so far as you're a member of their family, you remember the faith, you're a member of their shared ethnicity. And so you aren't going to get the same civilization if you input that ethic and that ethnicity into America. You're going to get India at the end of it. You're not going to get a lot of Indians who act like they're American.

[Tate Brown]

Well, you just ask anyone in tech, they'll say these listings, they list them exclusively for other Indians. Like they exclude everyone else, not just like everyone else.

[Phil Bonte]

Western countries need to rethink their, their concept of immigration entirely. And specifically the UK needs to do it real soon because. And I think that it's happening over there, I think that it's a good thing. But even in the US I mean I want to see an end to immigration for like a decade.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Phil Bonte]

I don't, we don't need to have any more immigrants for 10 years. And all H1B visas. The only exception I would make is the, are the, the O1 visas which are actually really, really good asset type people to the United States.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And at the very least you do country caps because we do have country caps on visas. And it's like if you are going to maintain a level of immigration which should be in my opinion as well, it should be frozen for an extended period of time. It's like you do need to prioritize easiest to assimilate into the United States States and prioritize those people and then it should shrink like a, like a pyramid all the way down. But I, I mean, I concur. I think we need a moratorium for decades probably.

[Tim Pool]

I think the, the public facing plan economically is going to be everybody should be told to expect a population decline. And what this is going to mean for, for businesses, we need a comprehensive plan on how local communities are going to adapt to that now so that in five years we don't get the rug pulled out from under us.

[Phil Bonte]

Yeah, right.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I mean, and I've pointed out before is India for example, their fertility is dipped below replacement. So it's like just from a very liberal perspective, if you're using immigration as a stopgap for the birth rate. That's not gonna work for much longer, like 20, 30 years. India's gonna start dropping in population. So it's like you're running out of people across the world. And I'm just speaking from a liberal perspective of like you can't even, they can't even use immigration to backfill the population.

[Phil Bonte]

What perspective was that?

[Tate Brown]

The liberal perspective, the woke perspective. But no. So it's like, I mean, totally agree. It's like, I mean, it's a stopgap for so long. And. And yeah.

[Carl Benjamin]

Well, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation released a study, I think it was earlier last year. And they said by 2100 there's only going to be six countries in the world, five in Africa, one in Asia, that's going to have above replacement birth rates. And so we'll just get all our immigrants from there. That was genuinely.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. So it's just utterly ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

And.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And it's really difficult for those countries to, to build as well when you're just taking like the entire bottom half of their country. Because we're taking all their like cheap labor away from them. Like they're like, oh, they're sending like we're skimming the cream. It's like that's not what's happening at all. Like the elite are staying in those countries.

[Carl Benjamin]

We're scraping the cross, scraping the crust.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I want to grab one more segment because we, we haven't gotten to this one yet. And I would like to talk to you guys about Floyd Gate.

[Carl Benjamin]

I'm going to get arrested on a Floyd Gate.

[Tim Pool]

Many of you may be familiar with Elsa Gate. So this is back in 2018 and we've had different iterations of this. This was back when there was computer generated. Well, we'll start with the beginning. People started to realize that if you made a half an hour long video where a woman dressed like Elsa, a man like Spider man, another man like Joker and ran around doing nothing, you get millions of views. This was called Elsa Gate. It eventually turned into computer generated videos that were very disturbing being sent to children. The reason was that the algorithm was promoting Elsa, Spider man and the Joker children who could, you know, literal babies were having tablets put in front of them and because they couldn't control it, it was autoplaying all of these insane videos which made people lots of money. Now a little while, I think it was like a year or two ago, but a while ago, gripers and you know, I guess other trolls on the Internet made these AI George Floyd videos. Which many of them. It's like, you know, just mocking George Floyd and Chauvin. It was edgy. It was meant to be offensive. We are now beginning to experience. Experience what I am calling Floyd Gate. Okay, now, you know, I've had people like. Like Callum was telling me, oh, you don't know about. What is it called? Like, George Droid or whatever. It's like, yeah, they do this. No, no, no, no. Hold on. I'm not talking about videos like this. Roll tape. Wait, we got. I got. I gotta refresh this one. Here we go. Here's George Floyd stealing fried chicken and running away. I'm sorry, from George Floyd. Okay, okay. So this video is Derek Chauvin, Call.

[Carl Benjamin]

Of Duty sound effect.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, with Ashton hall video. That's what's overlay.

[Tim Pool]

So Derek Chauvin's got buckets of fried chicken and he is running, and George Floyd is chasing after him with those bramps. Now, this has got 15,000 likes, which means it may have, you know, a hundred thousand or more plus views. Now, of course, videos like this have exist for a while, and people say, no, no, Tim, the trolls and the Gripers, they've been making these videos. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. I know that. Here's the context. I want to show you Floydgate, and this is Floydgate right here. So let me play this video.

[Carl Benjamin]

Good job.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, this is a really great example of what I'm talking about. This is. This video's got 1,000 likes, or maybe it's like 40,000 views. This is not a racist troll or a joke. It's literally just a home video of a baby saying Dada. And they used AI to turn the dad into George Floyd. It is not making George Floyd break dance with Derek Chauvin. It is not showing George Floyd and Derek Chauvin kissing. It is literally just George Floyd watching a baby say Dada and nothing happens. My point is, on Instagram, there are videos like this with millions of views, hundreds of thousands of views. And I believe what's happened is because of the SEO around George Floyd and Derek Chauvin. There are probably people in Pakistan, India and Singapore or Malaysia or whatever who are like, if I want to get a big following, I'm going to make videos that fit with the. The algorithm. These people probably don't know who George Floyd is. All they know is search volume in the hashtags for George Floyd is probably in the tens of millions. So they start making AI generated George Floyd videos that are not jokes, that are literal random videos. That's what Elsa gate was. When the first videos of Elsa started popping up, computer generated random garbage emerged that was nonsensical. Videos of spider man doing Tai chi with Hitler and it made no sense. That's what we are seeing now on Instagram. This is gonna be really weird in the future because so many people are getting fed this algorithmic schlop and their whole worldview is gonna be built on videos of George Floyd as every character and every concept. There was one I saw where it was like, I think it was like a fitness influencer, just talking about like how to do reps. It was a guy and it was George Floyd. And I'm like, this is not even a joke. It's literally this guy being like, you know, hey, I'm doing some reps today. We're going to focus on, you know, the lift over here, blah, blah.

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[Tim Pool]

And it was like 15 seconds long and I was like, that's not even funny.

[Carl Benjamin]

That would explain the hashtags as well because the hashtags are totally incoherent. So they've got George Floyd, California, Oakland, Trump, Martin Luther, not even King Jr. Just the Protestant drone, as in this footage. Yay. Drake Memes. Kendrick, AI Shooter. Breathing. Okay. George Floyd. NFL Europe, police brutality. Justin Bieber.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I think, I think what's happening here, like this video was lifted from someone else. Most likely. This is like a, like a account that just takes memes from people. Like, I think this is actually an American, well, Western phenomenon because I think this is Zoomer nihilism on full display. That's, I think that's what's going on. Because this is actually pretty funny if you're a Zoomer because it's like post ironic. George Floyd is basically the patron saint of the left. So it's like, you know, you're Gonna get a reaction. You know, it's like edgy and that sort of thing and it's transgressing every possible. But here, I think this is Zoomer nihilism on full disclosure display.

[Tim Pool]

I think we're beyond that. And that's why I call it Floyd Gate. I think Zoomer nihilism was when it was jokes, not when it's a random video of a baby saying da da or otherwise. But more importantly, the reason why I also call it Floydgate is Elsa Gate to a discerning adult was just weird, but to babies, it was a component of their reality. 10 and 12 year olds, 13 year olds who are on Instagram don't know why they are being fed videos of George Floyd with a baby in a bathroom. They, they, they're, they, they, they weren't, they were. I mean, how long ago was this? This is like eight years ago or whatever or some, something. That was five years ago. So you're looking at 13 year olds, eight years old, and they weren't on Instagram, Another on Instagram and they open it up and Instagram is like, here's George Floyd selling bottles of water on the side of the road. And they're like, I don't know, they don't know what it means or why, but they're going to grow up being spam fed these algorithm videos. And now I will say this, it's not just about Floyd videos, it's about this phenomenon in general across all social media that we can't even recognize that kids are gonna be fed. That is to say, what Elsa Gate was, was just the beginning. And now we are probably looking at 500 different versions of the same algorithmic schlop nightmare being fed to Gen Z and Gen Alpha, which is gonna make their brains jello.

[Carl Benjamin]

The reason why I know you're right about this is because Even with early YouTube, the amount of slop content that I've retained in my brain, like I remember probably half of the epic rap battles of history catalog, even without me trying, like, I'll get up in the shower, get up and shower in the morning, and one will enter my head. And I wish I didn't know it, but I do. So now they're even. They've got even more incoherent crap that they're basing their entire frame of reference.

[Tim Pool]

I really want to stress one of my greatest regrets. B A B A up, down, B A left, right, B A stop. Do you know what that is? Yeah, that's the, that's the level select code for Teenage mutant Ninja Turtles 2 on the NES, which I have not played in probably 30 years.

[Phil Bonte]

There's. That's actually the code for multiple of them.

[Tim Pool]

Actually the Konami code is different. It's like, you know, ba up, down, ba left or something. But B, A, B A up, down, B, A Left, right, B8 start. That is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2. It'll give you nine lives and level select. I don't want to know that. But I was like 8 years old or whatever and I wanted to when I wanted to play the game and this is probably only the course of a month that I played the game, but it's a long time for a kid, so I was like, I got to memorize this so I can have the extra lives when I play Teenage Mutant Turtles. I am now a 39 year old man who has never forgotten that code. Imagine if instead I was taught calculus and could talk to you about advanced mathematical theories or whatever it may be. Well, that's the upbringing I have. And most people learn things when they were kids. They remember for a long time at least. When I, I got a retro game. I got a bunch of these gaming systems. I got a Nintendo, I got, I got one of those retro games where it can have nes, Sega and snes and I have to, I can play that. And I know the code. It's not completely useless. It's mostly useless. What's gonna happen to these kids who grow up memorizing George Floyd videos of nonsense or Elsa videos or otherwise. And they're gonna be 40 and they're gonna be making jokes about George Floyd to people.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Well that's why this mechanism is called brain rot. That's like, that's the, that's the definition of this style of humor is brain rotation. Like if I say this to you, baby Gronk rised up. Livy Dunn. Does that like mean anything to you?

[Tim Pool]

A little bit.

[Tate Brown]

A little bit like it, it's just something that, it's just burned in my memory forever. And it's funny when I hear it.

[Tim Pool]

And George Floyd has 2.4 million posts on the hashtag 2.4 million.

[Tate Brown]

Brain rot. Your brain is rotting.

[Tim Pool]

I kid you not. It's all a. Here's George Floyd. A gigantic nose in a yarmulke.

[Tate Brown]

That's funny. That's hilarious. That's not an Indian is not capable of.

[Tim Pool]

I understand the trend of making the jokes maybe.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like I'm not calling out the fact that people are like haha, let's, let's use George Floyd as gags like that. I'm pointing out videos like this. There's a bunch of them that aren't even jokes, that it's getting to the point where you're watching a video of a guy going through a drive through and being like, I'll take a number one with extra ketchup and that's it. And it's George Floyd. And you're like, people are just making anything now to hit the algorithm to get those views. Yeah, and why not? Some of them might hit, you know what I mean?

[Tate Brown]

Get me.

[Tim Pool]

There's an MMA one. 7.4 million views. 1 million views. And a guy in a Burger King hat yelling, knit. This is crazy, dude.

[Tate Brown]

Like, I feel like if I, if I showed Tim my Instagram real speed, it would be like a devastating moment. I think you'd dry fire me. It's bad.

[Carl Benjamin]

Mine are just docs, donkeys, and like sweet cartoons.

[Tate Brown]

Oh. Mine is like, basically, yeah, it's just variations of this.

[Carl Benjamin]

I do think, I do think that the censorship was so culturally stifling for so long that now young white guys have absolutely nothing to lose. So we make fun of literally everything.

[Tate Brown]

The boot is all for an act, quite literally.

[Phil Bonte]

Not only that, but the argument that I think this, this is a symptom of woke as well, because, like, or a symptom of critical race theory and stuff. The argument was, look, if you guys don't do these things, then we won't blame you for things that, you know, has, have happened in the past. And then when, when critical race theory became kind of prevalent, you know, it was like, all you white guys are all bad. You're, there's, you're no good and you're all racist and blah, blah, blah. Even if they're like, actively not racist. Right. So then they're just like. Or young guys saw this and they're.

[Carl Benjamin]

Like, might as well be racist.

[Phil Bonte]

Well, you know, well, I mean, what's, what's the benefit from not engaging in these jokes? They make me laugh. And you're going to call me these names anyways. There's, there's no, there's no reciprocity in it. It's like, oh, you can do. No matter what you do, you're always going to be bad, so why should I try not to? I can make these jokes. They're funny. They make me friends laugh.

[Tim Pool]

I actually have a quick question as I'm looking through all these George Floyd posts. One of them was political and talking about how Derek Chauvin is a political prisoner and should not be in prison. How much of this is to drown out people who are making posts calling out the lies of the George Floyd riots? You can't find it now when you look at the hashtag. There was one post where it was like it was breaking down. Why Chauvin? Like, why he shouldn't be in prison. What was wrong with the case? But every other post is drowning out all those stories. And we have an actual news story with a real political and judicial crisis in that George Floyd should not be in prison, but he is Derek Chauvin.

[Carl Benjamin]

Or George Floyd.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry.

[Tate Brown]

Or both. George Floyd showed.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

George Floyd should not be in prison. He's not alive anymore.

[Tate Brown]

Disavowed.

[Tim Pool]

But my point is, whether it's intentional or not, these memes are drowning out the people calling for justice for Derek Chauvin.

[Tate Brown]

That's a good point. Maybe it's an op. I don't know. I think people just find it really funny.

[Carl Benjamin]

It might be linked to the prior story where it's not dead. Internet theory. It's just Indian theory. Yeah, well, they'll just.

[Tate Brown]

Well, so it's like. Like Phil was talking about, like, there's also just a containment breach where, like, the left can't cancel and they can't cancel people at a high volume like this, where, like Tim said, there's a million George Floyd reels. You can't cancel everyone. So it's like it's just a containment breach.

[Tim Pool]

It's not even about that. It's. It's like, bro, all of these videos on this one, Fly really wants to land in the microphone. I'm gonna let him.

[Tate Brown]

It's a woke.

[Tim Pool]

Fly just lands on the microphone. All these. These videos that are just like, racist humor. And a lot of them are the repeated jokes. Okay, you guys talk while I kill this.

[Phil Bonte]

There's no guarantee that these people are even from the US These accounts could be made anywhere. And because of the Internet, like, not only can they be made from anywhere, but it's probable that, you know, things like George Floyd no longer are contained contextually to the United States.

[Tate Brown]

That's exactly what it is.

[Phil Bonte]

Yeah, it's like they could be. I mean, like, people in Southeast Asia will get the joke.

[Tate Brown]

Exactly what it is.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's what I was saying about Malaysia. They don't care about the joke.

[Tate Brown]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

They don't know. All they know is they. They go into their bot farm warehouse and the guy says, we need to get 5 million views today. Now here's. Here's the Thing to understand, we, as we as podcasters and creators, we look at our content, we're like, how many views did I get? Our sales reps will be like, you know, hey, you. You know, over the summer, you averaged 500, 600,000 views per episode or whatever. So we can sell ads at this rate. And we're like, okay. And we do sponsorships that can range from like, it could be like 5,000, 10,000. Or for live events, it could be. We've done $100,000 sponsorships before. Big numbers based off of one company, small amount of employees. What they do in India is they've got 500 employees in one room, and they say, just get 100 views each and we'll make a thousand dollars. That's a lot of money for these people. So it doesn't matter. On this post, that may have only gotten 12,000 views. It took them 10 seconds to make. They don't know what the joke is. All they know is there's 2.4 million George Floyd posts. So people are attracted to that search term. Make whatever you can. Blast it out.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah. Dead Internet theory. Yeah. It's just probably like, one guy made this, and now they're all just lifting it from each other and reposting, adding a million hashtags.

[Tim Pool]

I actually like what you said about India theory or third world theory. They are bots. There's, you know, 10 guys in Turkey operating 500 accounts. But it's largely the third world realizing that Instagram. I don't think Instagram is monetizable, but they can do sponsors. Yeah. You get cash from Instagram if you.

[Carl Benjamin]

Pay for the membership theme.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right.

[Carl Benjamin]

Scheme, rather.

[Tim Pool]

But largely with, like, YouTube, with TikTok. There are ways to monetize. And X. X especially. Remember that the post from those Indians where they're like, happy payout day.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yo. Elon needs to ban these people. It's literally turned into millions. And. But he probably likes the numbers. He's like, look at the big increase. Millions of Indians, Malaysians and Turks are spam posting and responding to each other.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So what they figured out is they'll post, how are you? And then they'll respond to each other. Nonsense. To generate revenue. And everyone in the US all our.

[Carl Benjamin]

Revenue went down because only verified engagement counts so well. And verified accounts replying to each other then. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So. So there's a finite pool of money that's coming into X. A bunch of third world. Or started creating all the replies and generating all the views. And so the pool of money was spread out. And now we in America make real content, are getting less money. It's almost pointless.

[Carl Benjamin]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, revenue's way down on X and getting worse. I think we need to region lock. I should be able to go on X and say, don't show me anyone outside of these countries.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, yeah, with Instagram, it's even worse. It's that they build. They build their account up and sell it. Like, you can go to these, like, black market Instagram buying pages or whatever. And there's millions of accounts listed on there. Like, I have 20,000 followers. And that's the prices. It's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

We got it. We got to go to Rumble Rants. I know we went a little long. So smash the like button. Share the show. The uncensored portion of the show is coming up in about 15 minutes. You don't want to miss it. It's going to be at rumble.com/timcast IRL. Sign up for Rumble Premium using code TIM10. Save 10 bucks in your annual membership and join our Discord server. We got more culture war events coming up. Tomorrow's gonna be fun. We're debating the deployment of the National Guard and shout out to Pisco Liddy. I have no idea how he intends to debate me, who is from the south side of Chicago when he is not, but it'll be interesting anyway. All right. Shane H. Wilder says, I'm more concerned about the attacks on Christians by the left in general. My parish was broken into five times and we found out that it was people from Planned Parenthood at our protests. Whoa.

[Phil Bonte]

Really?

[Tate Brown]

Jeez. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Geez. Saint Miles says America must liberate Britain and Ireland.

[Tate Brown]

So true.

[Carl Benjamin]

I mean, we. We appreciate the interventions thus far. Nigel Farrow was just actually over here testifying in front of the House Judiciary Committee, and he did compare us to woke North Korea. And I think that is. It's pretty apt.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. There was a campaign by UNICEF called Take Poo to the Loo. Yeah. Where they had to encourage people in India to use toilets because it is extremely common for people in India to just go where they stand.

[Carl Benjamin]

Have you seen all of the Australian government announcement videos for Aboriginals by any chance?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Carl Benjamin]

There's an entire afternoon that you'll enjoy, basically. So one of them.

[Tim Pool]

One of them.

[Carl Benjamin]

We can watch them often, maybe on the uncensored show. One of them is an info video telling Aboriginals not to sleep in the road because there was an epidemic of Aboriginals because they're nomadic people just unfurling their blankets and Sleeping in the middle of the road and just getting run over.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah. And there was another one. I think it was UNICEF backed. There was a, like a rap song by Aboriginals saying, don't be rama rama. Don't sniff petrol. Petrol belongs in a can. Because there was an epidemic of them sniffing petrol. So the Australian government had to develop a non sniffable petrol because the Aboriginals just got addicted.

[Tim Pool]

They're sniffing. Yeah. Like huffing. Yeah.

[Carl Benjamin]

Like smelling glue. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to play those and learn about the plight of the Aboriginal in Australia for the uncensored portion of the show. Please join us. All right. Xbox Lad says Trump should blockade the cities that don't want the National Guard there. No one in or out of the city's burned down. Omega Rosetsu says Blair White is going to be big mad about this. Blair already gave 2 cents about the issue. And while Blair doesn't agree that neither guns or trans to be the issue. Mental health, however. Yeah, I don't think we should, I don't believe we should ban people from having guns. The second amendment doesn't say the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Unless someone thinks you're crazy. It says shall not be infringed. There is the issue of due process if you commit a crime. But if we, if we go in that direction, what's gonna happen is liberals are gonna get, they're gonna, they're gonna diagnose you when they feel like it. You're gonna get a city doctor who doesn't like you, who's gonna say, based on the behavior this person's exhibited, I think it's fair to determine they are suffering from this ailment. And then a cop shows up to your door and says, listen, the law says that if you are diagnosed, we take your guns from you and they will do it. That being said, I don't want crazy people to have guns, you know, But I do think it's a great move by the, by the Trump administration because now it forces leftist organizations and liberals to go to the Supreme Court and argue on behalf of gun rights, which could open the door either way for a massive expansion of gun rights.

[Carl Benjamin]

I think that's principled. I do also think that if you think cutting off your meat and two veg is the solution to your mental problems, you probably shouldn't have a Glock 19.

[Tim Pool]

I agree. If you are willing to self harm that, that, I agree. If you are documented as self harming, then you are a threat to yourself and others.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, but I would. I would say that's everyone on hrt, everyone on cosmetic surgery.

[Tim Pool]

Like, you know, I think that's not going to work. It's going to have to be surgery. And the reason why is Blair White, for instance, could just come out, be like, I'm not actually trans.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, but he is, though. Like, he's had lots of cosmetic surgery.

[Tim Pool]

He's the diagnosis.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Cosmetic surgery can't be the line at which you determine someone loses their gun rights. It's gonna have to be like. The challenge is, of course, it will be weaponized by bad people. It's not an excuse to stop bad people. So the. The reality is it doesn't matter what your laws are, so long as you have a moral people that are running your. That. That. That comprise your. Your. Your population. I always say this. If everybody in the United States had the exact same moral religious view of Seamus Coughlin, you'd need no police, because people aren't going to steal from each other.

[Carl Benjamin]

This is Aristotle's opinion. The only thing that divides like monarchy and tyranny, democracy and mob rule, aristocracy and oligarchy is the virtue of the. The people that comprise the political system.

[Tim Pool]

And so so long as we have a virtuous population, then absolutely, we say ban guns from people who are unwell, mentally even. Like. But the fact that we have this debate over, oh, the left will do it to us shows that our society is not virtuous and it's broken. We should be able to say, we don't want crisis to have gun enough to worry about it. All right, let's go. Cup of soothe says both your be gay and don't be gay boards violate Minnesota conversion therapy laws.

[Tate Brown]

That's awesome. Can we put that in the disclaimer?

[Tim Pool]

Cannot. Cannot ship to Minnesota. We're allowed to sell it. It's free speech.

[Tate Brown]

Real.

[Tim Pool]

All right, what do we have here? Our sergeant says, how do we not classify transgenderism as a form of schizophrenia? I mean, these people are literally unable to mentally accept their own physical reality and are permanently mutilating themselves. I think it's an interesting argument, actually. If you believe you're a different biological sex, then. Then you have a distorted view of reality. That's interesting argument.

[Carl Benjamin]

Well, most. Most. The. The Tavistock Clinic in the uk, the sort of infamous trans clinic, did a study of their own patients as to. There's lots of other studies on this as well, but they found that gender dysphoria is often a sub. Comorbidity, like a symptom of other related mental disorders. So it. It's an offshoot of having other things wrong with.

[Tim Pool]

Interesting. Well, I think that's why we see in the data people who are diagnosed with gender dysphoric who go on to get sex changes do not that happiness does not improve. Right. Because something else was causing the issue. And usually what we hear is like, especially for teenagers, they're depressed over an issue but told the solution is going to be a sex change. But it's not the solution to the.

[Carl Benjamin]

Issue because desistance rates are between like 60 and 90% if you just do nothing.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. And that. And with suicide, suicide rates between 30 and 40%, that means by doing something, you have a. You are. You are more likely to cause a suicide than by doing nothing. Yeah.

[Carl Benjamin]

And detransition rates within the Tavistock Clinic were up to 30% anyway.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. All right, here we go. Millennial mama says, please keep my 39 year old brother Ryan in your thoughts and prayers. He's a Navy veteran who stays active and today he has. He had chest pain, went to the ER and found out he has a blood clot in his lung. Yikes.

[Carl Benjamin]

Blimey. Poor guy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Hope everything works out. Heron Gaming news says. Tim, it's so good to see you. I thought Ian took you to his spaceship and did experiments. No, the. The best conspiracy theory was that I was working with Dan Bongino and redacting the 33,000 Epstein files. I got release took. Took three weeks. Yeah. All right. Corbin says the British created Pakistan in 47 and now you are overrun by them. Do you all regret it now? Also, what is the opinion on the Sikh migration globally?

[Carl Benjamin]

Okay, so the British Empire was fantastic for everyone else and terrible for Britain in retrospect. Like it was a giant charitable enterprise preventing bride burning and slavery, but we ended up with Pakistanis running our home office and our politics. So.

[Tim Pool]

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[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah, terrible idea. If we gave them independence, I'd love to shut our doors to them forever. And they should basically all go back as far as Sikh migration. Look, they might be charitable people in their good warriors, but their religion doesn't belong in my country. Pro Khalistan independence movements don't belong in my country. If you'd like to agitate for that, go elsewhere based.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. What do we got here? Tyrant God says the UK has also been arresting US citizens for things they have said online on US Grounds. Upon arrival, don't fly to the uk. Is that true?

[Carl Benjamin]

That's. He's referencing Graham Linehan because he made those tweets while in Arizona, but he's.

[Tim Pool]

Saying they've also arrested US Citizens.

[Carl Benjamin]

That's probably what he's referencing because Graham. He probably thinks Graham Linehan is a US Citizen. I don't think. I don't think.

[Tim Pool]

When he added the word also.

[Carl Benjamin]

I don't think. I don't.

[Tim Pool]

Context was we said Graham Linehan was from Ireland.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Made the tweets in America. The super chat says they've also been arresting US citizens.

[Carl Benjamin]

He might have put citizens. When he meant the fact that Graham Linehan has, like, a visa to stay in the US as considering he's working. Because I've never heard of a case of that. I've never heard of a case of a US citizen arrested for something they've said online in Britain. Like we arrest.

[Tim Pool]

Like Nigel Farage warned Americans could be. Yes.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah. Because it sets the precedent. We arrest 12, 000 people a year. At least, actually. Sorry. Because a bunch of police forces didn't give the data over when asked.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, it all went wrong with that Count Dankula guy.

[Carl Benjamin]

Rip to Buddha. The dog died.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, really?

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah. He was not his.

[Tim Pool]

His When Count made the BLM one. It's. It's a much better video.

[Carl Benjamin]

It's great.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Because I love it when he's like. The music that's playing. It's like. It's the labor party. Oh, no, I gotta hide some books. And then he finds the Torah. Yeah, yeah. The Quran.

[Carl Benjamin]

Oh, they're gonna be fine with that one.

[Phil Bonte]

Actually, he puts it back.

[Carl Benjamin]

Did you. Did you watch his most recent video on why Indians keep getting hit by trains?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Carl Benjamin]

Please watch it. Right, okay. So it's not just that they are status seeking because of the caste system. It's not just because they have low IQ and impulse control because of cousin marriage. There is the word juggernaut comes from the Jagannath, which is a giant statue of a Hindu God on wheels. They've been building this like once a year. It's the only time that the untouchables would ever get to see their gods. And because they believe that their karma was quite low, they would often throw Themselves and their children under the wheels. So there might be something in the Indian ethno memory that just goes, oh, giant death machine.

[Tim Pool]

Their karma was low.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah. Because they're untouchables. So if they make a sacrifice of themselves to a giant statue of their God, they'll be reincarnated into a better cast in the next life. There's a New York Times article that's documenting him. Like, seeing women just throw themselves under the wheels and getting mushed. Like the 19th century. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Geez.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. There's like an absurd amount of them getting hit by trains. Like they film themselves.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah. There's a trend called kilfies.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Carl Benjamin]

It's just like Indian guys, like, smiling as a locomotive, just speeding towards them. Insane.

[Tim Pool]

Taylor Lorenz's ex wife says, very disappointed in Trump. Admin for the news today. HRT and medicalization alone is not a good reason to ban gun ownership. I don't mean anyone any harm. I'm professionally managed, working towards fixing my dysphoria and happy with the new me.

[Carl Benjamin]

That sounds like standpoint epistemology for me. Yeah, yeah, sorry.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I, you know, I got to be honest, like, my attitude on guns is largely, you cannot track any and, like, there's no way to create a comprehensive system that will stop bad people from having guns. The idea that we're going to be like, mentally people, mentally ill people shouldn't have guns. It's like, you know, we'll try to keep dangerous people from having guns for the most part, but the reality is you can't. The only thing you do is have a society that has guns itself and can stop bad people before they are.

[Phil Bonte]

I mean, look, pre crime doesn't work.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Bonte]

Like, I mean, the idea that you can prevent crime or you can prevent people from carrying out crimes, I mean, you can do things that'll deter it, but you're not gonna be able to say you're going to commit a crime, so we're gonna imprison you or take away your rights because we believe we can see the future. You have laws and you have a justice system to punish people that have committed crimes. But if you're going to live in a free society, it's really hard to say you, we believe you're going to commit a crime. We believe we can see the future. You're going to commit a crime, so we're going to take away certain rights from you.

[Carl Benjamin]

But just in the same way that you would not, in a sane society, allow a heroin addict dying on the street to keep taking Heroin. You'd put them in a rehabilitation center. I don't think you should.

[Phil Bonte]

We're clearly not a sane society.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah. I'm saying in a sane. In moving towards being prescriptive. Don't sell guns to confuse transsexuals. Have empathy for their plight. Like the super chat that's called in. But I don't think you should have a firearm.

[Tim Pool]

Doc. Flamingo says all hail his Majesty Sargon the First and his prime Minister, Tommy Robinson.

[Tate Brown]

Long live.

[Carl Benjamin]

So Robinson I don't think would ever be a government minister, but I think a healthy society would actually be to give him some sort of commendation to acknowledge the tiresome work he's done on the grooming gangs.

[Phil Bonte]

But would Karl be the king? Would he accept that?

[Carl Benjamin]

I think it would require too much time away from painting warhammer miniatures.

[Tim Pool]

Bravo. He wouldn't have a choice, you know.

[Phil Bonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You don't get when the calling your birthright's right. Yeah. The. The house of Benjamin.

[Carl Benjamin]

I don't think we know who. Who. Who the next Cromwell is going to be. But they will emerge eventually.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, Charles is an old guy, right? Like, he's very old.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah. It's like mid-70s. Yeah. He's not very well. He's had prostate cancer.

[Tate Brown]

And.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah. He's. If you. You can get lots of videos of him reading Quran verses.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah. He's an Arabist.

[Tim Pool]

He also gave Canada back to the indigenous.

[Carl Benjamin]

Oh, the land acknowledgement thing. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Like a Thursday afternoon when the king.

[Tim Pool]

Comes and says this land doesn't belong to us and we're illegally occupying it.

[Phil Bonte]

His title is defender of the faith. Isn't it Faiths? Oh, is it faiths? Is it changed?

[Carl Benjamin]

He wanted to say at his coronation, Faiths. And he keeps bringing loads of imams to palace property. They hosted an im.

[Phil Bonte]

But historically it is a defender of the faith.

[Tim Pool]

Faith.

[Carl Benjamin]

Yeah. It's meant to be.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. We're going to go to the uncensored show and learn about the plight of the aboriginals in Australia and. And figure out why they're sleeping in the middle of the streets and things like this. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know and head over to rumble.com Tim IRL for the uncensored portion of the show, which will be up in about 30 or so seconds. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim cast. Conor, do you want to shout anything out?

[Carl Benjamin]

Yes. Connor Tomlinson on YouTube where you can catch Thomas and talks at 7pm UK time every Thursday. Also, I write for outlets like Courage Media and the Critic. And you can find all of my links, content and complaints about migration in the UK at Contomunderson on X. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

You can follow me on Instagram and X Ealtate Brown and watch today's segment on the culture war. Interviewed the legend Viva Fry. It was a great, great interview. Check that out.

[Phil Bonte]

I am Phil that Remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can follow the band on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We'll see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL thanks for hanging out.