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Episode: Trump DOJ To Ban Trans People From Owning Guns After Catholic School Shooting w/ Connor Tomlinson
Date: September 5, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Connor Tomlinson, Carl Benjamin, Phil Labonte, Tate Brown

Overview

This episode delves into several major current events and controversies, primarily centered on the Trump DOJ's reported plan to ban transgender individuals from owning firearms in the wake of a Minneapolis Catholic school shooting. Tim Pool and his panel—featuring UK commentator Connor Tomlinson, Carl Benjamin, musician Phil Labonte, and producer Tate Brown—provide sharp analysis, debate political strategies, and critique cultural developments. The discussion also expands to the cancellation of Chicago's Mexican Independence Day festival, shifting views within left-leaning media figures, UK politics, and the role of algorithm-driven content ("Floydgate") on social media. The tone is independent, irreverent, and often combative towards establishment narratives.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump DOJ's Planned Ban on Transgun Ownership

[08:50] - Tim Pool introduces a reported DOJ proposal to ban trans Americans from gun ownership following a mass shooting allegedly committed by a trans woman.

• Political Framing: Tim sees this as a tactical move to corner liberals—either defend trans gun rights (thus expanding 2A claims) or abandon trans activists.
• Quote (Tim Pool, 11:10):
  “This is one of the smartest things the Trump admin has ever done. It is akin to a fork in chess... Democrats have two choices: defend trans Americans' right to own guns, or abandon them as a group.”
• Panel Debate:
  • Carl Benjamin [12:35]: Supports restrictions:
    “I think it's entirely consistent…with an armed citizenry and banning crazy, demented transsexuals from owning firearms.”
  • Phil Labonte [14:53]: Warns against blanket bans; prefers case-by-case evaluation rather than associating all trans people with violence.
  • Tate Brown [17:01]: Notes Second Amendment has always involved limits for “lunatics” even in early America.
  • Tim Pool [16:01]: Suggests classical liberalism is exploited by leftists and communists to erode rights.

2. Broader Gun Control & 'Mentally Ill' Restrictions

• Concerns: Blanket bans for “mental illness” risk being broadly weaponized by political opponents.
• Reciprocity Principle:
  • Carl Benjamin [16:31]:
    “If you don't apply a principle of reciprocity, you get exploited.”
• Debate on HRT as Disqualifier:
  • Panel argues whether HRT, like certain SSRIs, could constitutionally justify removal of gun rights.

3. Shifting on the Left: David Pakman Leaves “The Left”

[37:58]

• Tim plays a clip of liberal commentator David Pakman expressing disaffection for the activist/purity-test left, noting he no longer thinks they're “the same movement.”
• Quote (David Pakman, 38:29):
  “There’s the governance-focused big-tent win-elections left—that’s where I am—and then there’s this purity-test left... maybe we were never really part of the same movement.”
• Panel Analysis: They see this as trend—moderate liberals abandoning the activist orthodoxy, reinforcing claims that “the culture war is being won by the populist right.”
• Quotes:
  • Tim Pool [39:03]: “Thank you for acknowledging this. What you're describing is how we define woke: the cult-like, puritanical leftism.”
  • Carl Benjamin [41:19]: Disagrees with Tim's definition; insists “wokeness is gay race communism,” focusing on critical theory and egalitarianism.

4. The “Woke” Debate — Definitions & Infighting

[40:50-56:51]

• Tim vs. Carl:
  • Tim frames “wokeness” as cult-like adherence to ever-changing liberal orthodoxy, not a coherent ideology (e.g., critical theory).
  • Carl claims it's rooted in “blank slate” egalitarianism and critical theory—“gay race communism”.
• Postmodernism & Power:**
  • Panel ties left’s inconsistency to postmodern philosophy: “truth doesn’t matter, only winning the argument or the power structure.”
  • Quote (Phil Labonte, 54:34):
    “There’s so much postmodern influence... you don't get logical consistency.”

5. Chicago's El Grito Mexican Independence Event Canceled Due to ICE Threats

[25:15]

• Tim Pool:
  “Could you just imagine—Mexicans and illegal immigrants gathering...then 300 ICE agents arrest everybody. They actually feared ICE was going to go and start rounding up this massive group.”
• Discussion:
  • Should the event organizers be criminally investigated for “encouraging illegal immigration”?
  • Issue of “ethnic enclaves” and historical parallels (e.g., Orange Riots).
  • Carl Benjamin [31:50]: Suggests even naturalized citizens/visa holders who “celebrate the independence of a foreign country over their host should be made to leave” as part of assimilation.
• Broader immigration critique: Problems with multiculturalism, assimilation, and “blood and soil” arguments.

6. UK Politics & Migration Crisis

[19:51, 22:50]

• Nigel Farage’s predicted win: An example of right-wing “hard swing” in the UK; rise of anti-immigration policies—mass deportations, debate over citizenship for ethnic minorities.
• Carnival of Dysfunction: Ongoing crisis, street violence, “migrant sex offense every day,” radicalized enclaves.

7. "Floydgate": Algorithmic Slop & The Future of Online Content

[95:58]

• Summary: What began as transgressive meme culture is now swamped by algorithmically-generated AI George Floyd content—“Floydgate”—much like the earlier “Elsagate” phenomenon on YouTube.
• Tim Pool [98:09]:
  “There are videos like this with millions of views... I believe what’s happened is because of SEO... people overseas are making AI George Floyd videos that are not even jokes... just algorithmic schlop.”
• Impact: Kids will grow up with a warped sense of reality; the mainstream is now shaped by what the algorithm finds viral, not by any coherent culture.
• Quote (Carl Benjamin, 103:00):
  “The amount of slop content that I’ve retained in my brain... now it’s even more incoherent crap as their whole frame of reference.”

8. "Woke Right" – James Lindsay Controversy

[67:11, 74:11]

• Tim: James Lindsay is creating a new “woke right” by using the same cult-like tactics to enforce his own liberal orthodoxy and blacklist opponents.
• Quote (Tim Pool, 68:02):
  “Every tactic he's using in his woke right escapade is on par with the cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy—blocking, labeling enemies, poison-the-well.”
• Carl Benjamin [76:23]:
  “He thinks he’s the new Bill Buckley, but he’s just got schizophrenia... alienates people because he’s fundamentally antisocial and insane.”
• Panel agrees Lindsay’s “woke right” labeling is a failed attempt to dominate new ideological ground, mirroring leftist tactics.

9. Paid Social Media Shilling for India Over Tariffs

[84:07]

• Tim Pool calls out major right-wing influencers for allegedly taking undeclared money to lobby against Trump’s India tariffs.
• Tim [85:42]: “I believe they should be banned...I don’t believe they should be allowed to lobby on behalf of a foreign government.”
• Carl Benjamin [87:27]: Shares DC political whispers on Indian lobbying and concerns over H1B visas.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the DOJ’s chess move (Tim Pool, 11:10):

  "This is one of the smartest things the Trump admin has ever done. It is akin to a fork in chess... Democrats have two choices: defend trans Americans' right to own guns, or abandon them as a group."

• On political retreat of the left (Tim Pool, 21:02):

  "There’s no more fear and Silent Majority like we used to have. It’s not a big deal anymore if you’re a celebrity and you come out and say you support Trump..."

• On definitions of 'woke':

  • (Carl Benjamin, 41:19):

    "Woke is gay race communism."

  • (Tim Pool, 64:22):

    "It is simply the cult-like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy. Whatever liberalism demands, that is what wokeness is."

• On Floydgate & Social Media (Tim Pool, 98:09):

  "On Instagram, there are videos like this with millions of views... what Elsa gate was, was just the beginning. And now we are probably looking at 500 different versions of the same algorithmic schlop nightmare being fed to Gen Z and Gen Alpha, which is gonna make their brains jello."

• On paid influencers for India (Tim Pool, 85:42):

  "I believe they should be banned. I don’t believe that they should be allowed to lobby on behalf of a foreign government undisclosed..."

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [08:50] - Trump DOJ move to ban trans people from gun ownership
• [16:31] - Reciprocity and why classical liberalism is being exploited
• [25:15] - ICE and Chicago’s Mexican Independence Day festival
• [31:50] - "Blood and soil" nationalism, assimilation, and naturalization
• [37:58] - Clip of David Pakman disavowing the activist left
• [40:50] - Open debate on the definition of 'woke'
• [61:39] - Origins of woke: ideology vs. cult-like conformity
• [67:11] - James Lindsay and 'woke right' tactics
• [74:11] - Milo’s visualization of James Lindsay labeling wide swaths of right as 'woke right'
• [84:07] - Exposé: Right-wing influencers shill for India on tariffs
• [95:58] - Floydgate: The rise of AI-generated nonsensical George Floyd content
• [103:00] - Lasting impact of internet brain rot and algorithmic content

Episode Flow & Tone

The panel moves fluidly between news analysis, philosophical debates, personal experiences, and humor. There's lively disagreement, especially over the nature and definition of “wokeness.” While critical and occasionally acerbic, the show frequently leavens serious moments with dry wit, self-referential memes, and irreverent asides.

Conclusion

This episode is a comprehensive and combative deep-dive into current culture war flashpoints—gun rights, transgender policies, the evolution (and retreat) of mainstream liberalism, mass immigration, and the power of internet algorithms to shape (or rot) collective consciousness. The hosts argue the populist/conservative moment is ascendant and parse the ways establishment and cultural gatekeepers are adapting or fracturing, even as new forms of ideological policing emerge within their own camp.

Essential listening for those tracking the ongoing political, cultural, and online transformations in the U.S. and U.K.