Trump Endorses Cuomo, Says NO COMMIE MAMDANI, Obama REFUSES To Endorse Mamdani w/ Mark Grimes

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Episode Title: Trump Endorses Cuomo, Says NO COMMIE MAMDANI, Obama REFUSES To Endorse Mamdani w/ Mark Grimes
Date: November 4, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Mark Grimes, Phil Labonte, Ian Crossland

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles the heated New York City mayoral race, with Donald Trump’s surprising endorsement of Andrew Cuomo, the meteoric rise of progressive-left candidate Zohran Mamdani (dubbed "Commie Mamdani"), and Barack Obama's refusal to endorse Mamdani. The discussion expands into broader themes of urban politics, the limitations of conservatism in big cities, the cultural and economic divides between city and countryside, and the controversial role of government assistance programs. The show features Mark Grimes—a Canadian businessman and ex-politician—providing North American trade context, and regulars Phil Labonte and Ian Crossland contributing sharp takes on governance, economics, and social trends. Near the end, the hosts riff on US-Canada relations, free trade, tariffs, and the peculiar nature of the Canadian monarchy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NYC Mayoral Race: Trump, Cuomo, Mamdani and Obama (01:26–22:15)

• Trump Endorses Cuomo: Trump controversially tells New Yorkers to vote for Andrew Cuomo to avoid electing leftist Zohran Mamdani. Tim expresses shock, and the panel critiques Cuomo's record—especially his handling of COVID-era nursing homes.
• Mamdani’s Radical Platform: Mamdani is described as a far-left "communist" candidate. Ian and Phil lambaste Mamdani’s past endorsement of defunding police, decarceration, and "crime is a social construct" rhetoric.
• Polling Uncertainty: Kalshee prediction market data shows divergence: Inside NYC, Cuomo is strong; outside, Mamdani is heavily favored.
• Obama’s Refusal to Endorse Mamdani: Panel sees this as an indicator of Democrat establishment hesitance to embrace extreme left.
• Urban Political Realities: Phil and Mark agree: "A real conservative can't win a city anymore." Cities are framed as inherently left-leaning due to density, reliance on services, and public transit needs.
• Notable Quotes:
  • Tim (07:01): “Short of the Lord himself, I ain't voting for [Cuomo].”
  • Phil (10:37): “It's not realistic to think that any modern Republican can win New York.”

2. City vs. Country Politics and Economics (12:14–19:08)

• Cities as Democrat Bastions: Mark and Ian discuss urban demographic, economic, and infrastructural factors that make cities left-leaning—especially the concentration of services, affordable housing requirements, and social programs.
• Canada’s Urban Politics: Mark affirms Toronto mirrors US city trends: left-dominated urban cores, right-leaning rural/farming peripheries.

3. Election Odds, Machine Politics, and Manipulation (19:47–25:23)

• Money Powers in NYC: Tim and Phil predict NYC’s financial elite will not allow a true far-left candidate to imperil their interests. Tim accuses the system of being rigged: “I'm implying they're going to cheat. Not voter turnout. The powers that control New York ain't gonna let a communist win.” (22:20)
• Prediction Market Analysis: Tim details his bet on Cuomo based on Kalshee data, highlighting the wisdom—and bias—of prediction markets.
• Notable Quotes:
  • Phil (24:56): “I do think there’s going to be significant pushback against Mamdani, even if he wins.”

4. Welfare, Food Stamps, and Government Dependency (58:54–70:29)

• Trump Reduces Food Stamps: As government gridlocks and shutdown looms, the panel discusses the curtailing of SNAP benefits.
• Should Federal Welfare Exist?
  • Phil: “The federal government shouldn’t be in the business of having these types of policies” (60:29)
  • Tim: Proposes radical reforms—restricting food stamps to only allow purchase of fresh produce and meat to force healthier outcomes and reduce corporate dependency on subsidies.
• Social Consequences: Ian and Mark note how policies and subsidies reinforce unhealthy habits, economic dependency, and structural inertia.
• Notable Quotes:
  • Tim (63:03): “EBT ... can only be used to buy fresh produce.”
  • Phil (70:01): “No kidding. There shouldn’t be EBT. Let states do it. The federal government shouldn’t be doing it at all.”

5. US-Canada Relations, Tariffs, and the Monarchy (73:04–88:18)

• Trade and Tariffs:
  • Mark, a Canadian businessman, defends the deep economic integration and mutual benefits between US and Canada.
  • Tim argues for stronger US self-sufficiency, supporting tariffs and industrial policy to reduce dependency on Canadian (and international) aluminum—citing long-term national interests over short-term cost savings.
  • Quotes:
    • Mark (75:15): “Canada and U.S. together are much better than being apart.”
    • Tim (82:52): “We should have our own steel plants, our own aluminum plants...”
• Cultural Kinship vs. Strategic Interests:
  The hosts recognize the closeness, but Tim insists friendship shouldn’t entail strategic vulnerability.
• Canadian Monarchy Peculiarity:
  Ian and Tim question why Canada still has a king (King Charles), and discuss the largely symbolic yet constitutionally present royal authority in Canada—sparking spirited debate with Mark.

6. Youth Politics, Race, and the Problem with Mainstream Narratives (91:26–107:56)

• Zoomer Populist Shift: Tim brings up “Zoomerwaffen”—a new nationalist, right-wing youth current among Gen Z, born from disenchantment with establishment lies, censorship, and lack of economic opportunity.
• Liberal Hypocrisy: Hosts argue white liberals in urban areas openly virtue signal but sell homes when poor blacks move in—fueling right-wing youth distrust for centrist institutions.
• Open Conversation on Race:
  • The panel explores fraught topics: race, crime, genetics, and culture. Tim asserts that honest discussion—absent from mainstream channels—drives youth to more radical, sometimes dangerous voices.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • Tim (99:50): “To a young person ... these people are going to go follow scientists. They're going to go listen to Nick Fuentes.”
    • Phil (103:24): “It's going to drive people to someone like Nick.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On NYC Mayoral Race:
  “I am not convinced [Mamdani] is as popular as people outside New York think he is. The question is whether or not the Democrat machine will allow these far leftists to actually take over.” (Tim Pool, 17:01)
• On Big City Politics:
  “Show me a Republican-run city in the United States. I don’t think there is any.”
  (Mark Grimes, 14:13)
• On Corporatocracy vs. Socialism:
  “Corporations can get way too powerful. But… if the corporations leave your big city, your big city is going to be a big, open, smelly, rotting cesspool.” (Tim Pool, 35:55)
• On Government Control and Contracts:
  “It is always worse—a big government in control of everything—than a corporation in control of it.” (Phil Labonte, 41:39)
• On Generation Z Politics:
  “When Nick [Fuentes] comes out and praises Hitler, they say he must be telling the truth because you won't have a real conversation about what's going on in Chicago.” (Tim Pool, 96:40)
• On Honest Discussion:
  “If acknowledging the crime stats and saying there's a disproportionate amount of crime coming out of black communities is different than saying because they're black they're causing crime.” (Ian Crossland, 103:40)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Trump Endorses Cuomo, NYC Mayoral Odds:
  [01:26–22:20, revisited at 87:02]
• Urban vs. Rural Political Divide:
  [12:14–15:57]
• Dem Establishment, Money, and Cheating Allegations:
  [17:27–22:48]
• Government Welfare and SNAP Debate:
  [58:54–70:29]
• US-Canada Tariffs & Monarchy Debate:
  [73:04–88:18]
• Zoomer Populism & Race, Youth Disaffection:
  [91:26–107:56]

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Conclusion & Episode Tone

This episode moves briskly from New York City’s mayoral politics and national ideological divides to questions of social safety nets, international trade, and generational discontent. The hosts maintain their signature rowdy, confrontational banter—often veering into taboo or controversial territory, especially regarding crime and race—emphasizing their commitment to open, unfiltered debate. Mark Grimes offers a rare outsider (Canadian) perspective, especially on cross-border economics and the legacy of the monarchy, while the hosts press for more aggressive US self-reliance, and warn about the consequences of political correctness and elite mendacity for the country’s future social cohesion.

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For additional context, the full discussion continued on Rumble in an uncensored segment focusing on race realism and further hot-button issues.

Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

That's promo code gift. Donald Trump has endorsed Andrew Cuomo for Mayor of New York City. Kind of. He said you must vote for him because we don't want Commie Zoran Mamdani. Now here's where it gets really interesting. Tomorrow we got this big election coming up in New York. Will our greatest city succumb to the communists? I'm not so convinced. In fact, I'll say this, I am trading on Cuomo winning personally. Not something I typically do. But the data internally in New York not only shows in the polling data, it's neck and neck and Cuomo really could win. But according to Kalshee, Cuomo is actually the favorite inside of New York. Outside of New York, Mamdani is the favorite 9 to 1. So we don't know exactly what's going to happen. I think it's fair to say that Mamdani does win, but it is not a sure thing. Now, Barack Obama's refusing to endorse, which is interesting. So we will talk about that. SNAP benefits will be partially funded. We did not see people storming the gates and stealing, but there have been some videos of people complaining, ultimately it wasn't the apocalypse just yet. And then Donald Trump says, okay, we're going to. We're going to send it out at half the. Right. So, okay, we'll see what happens. We've got fear of war with Trump talking about sending in drones and military against cartels, a potential strike on Venezuela. And the story that is kind of crazy, an explosion at Harvard. We don't know why. It may be nothing, but considering the escalation of political violence, as I said this morning, to a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Now, I'm not saying this is a guarantee. That's political violence. But as long as we don't know what's going on, we'll talk about this the same as we'll talk about any other act in such a way, with the caveat of maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's two ski masked individuals who, who set off a bomb for no reason at all.

[Mark Grimes]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

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[Mark Grimes]

Hey, Tim, how are you? Thanks for having your Canadian neighbor down today. Appreciate being here and really happy to be here today.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Mark Grimes]

So 13 years I traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange floor. But the old days when you're throwing paper around, I did that for 13 years on Bay street, which is your Wall Street. And I own a transportation logistics company, does a lot of business in the U.S. back and forth with the trade between U.S. and Canada. And I spent 19 years in Toronto as a politician, as a city councilman, so and also was the commissioner of the Ontario Junior A Lacrosse League, the best Junior A Lacrosse league in the world. We did that for four years. I just resigned about five months ago, so got a vast experience with a lot of things. But I'm happy to be here. Love being in the US I got a home in upstate New York and then one in Florida, but my home is Toronto.

[Tim Pool]

But are you excited to become the 51st state?

[Mark Grimes]

That's never going to happen. Never going to happen. We get into that later, but it's not going to happen.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Should be fun. Thanks for hanging out. We got Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, everybody. Good to be here. Ian Crossland. I am an actor, musician. I've been playing a lot with AI lately, putting stuff on my Instagram, doing. Doing music. Anyway, check me out on the Internet at Ian Carlson if you want. But let's get into this. I have a magical guest in front of me tonight. I get to look at him all night.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I am back. I'm the lead singer the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary. Let's get into it tonight.

[Tim Pool]

And you're one other thing.

[Phil Labonte]

I am a father. Yes. I back from a week and a half of paternity leave and I left my. My girlfriend at home with the baby. And hopefully the baby doesn't puke on her too much.

[Tim Pool]

Congratulations.

[Phil Labonte]

Thank you very much.

[Mark Grimes]

I appreciate. Boy or girl?

[Phil Labonte]

Boy.

[Mark Grimes]

Boy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

So had a. It's. It's pretty crazy. I mean, obviously, if you've got kids, you know, the first couple weeks are. Are a whirlwind. You're not sure when you're going to sleep, you're not sure exactly how to do anything. So you kind of just like, you feel like you're just kind of blindly making your way through it. But we got things into a bit of a routine now, so I was like, all right, I can come back to the IRL desk and talk smack about the left.

[Tim Pool]

Let's go. Here's the story from the New York Post. Trump tells New York, you must vote for Andrew Cuomo over Zohran Mamdani in New York City election and ditch Curtis Sliwa. I feel so bad for Curtis Lewa because he a good dude. He's a good dude, but nobody expects him to win. And I'm. I'm sorry. Just. I wouldn't vote for Cuomo. I wouldn't do it. It's not going to happen. Sorry. Donald Trump can say do it. Short of the Lord himself. I ain't voting for that guy now. I don't live in New York. I'm lucky I left. But Cuomo failed his state miserably during COVID Trump certainly has some faults during COVID too. And I don't want Zoran Mandani to win, but I. You put up Andrew Cuomo as your candidate. They should have. He should have dropped out and endorsed Sliwa. Sorry.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I mean, this is my life. Is. Do you like look at how corrupt the liberal economic order is. And then you know what the the option is, is communism. And I'm like, bro, I don't want communism, but I'm not voting for corrupt corporatocracy. Same way with, with Cuomo, who put elderly people from nursing home, or he put them in nursing homes during COVID and got a bunch of people put.

[Tim Pool]

Sick COVID patients in nursing homes and killed elderly people.

[Ian Crossland]

We've used the term murder. I mean, many times the word murder has been thrown around for what he did to those people. And now that they're running this guy, I don't know. I don't know who Curtis Sliwa is, if he should. If he should be.

[Tim Pool]

He's the perennial Republican New York candidate for mayor, always running the Guardian Angels. He's a good dude, but he's just not with the New York zeitgeist. I guess it's a bunch of Democrat wackos. So the best you can get, I suppose, is an independent, Cuomo. But he couldn't even win the Democrat primary. That being said, I actually think he's got a decent chance to win. I'm still leaning towards Mamdani winning, but I do think Cuomo has a stronger chance than people realize.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, well, you pulled up the polls earlier. We were looking at in New York, they. They seem to want Cuomo, according to this poll that we were looking at earlier. But across the country, it's like 90% mom, dummy. You know, you've got all the communists or who. I don't want to.

[Tim Pool]

We'll get into that. But Elon Musk is back in Cuomo. Interestingly, Obama is not backing Mamdani.

[Ian Crossland]

That's really cool.

[Tim Pool]

That's very weird, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

Obama's. I, I want to pick that guy's brain. What is he thinking about the current.

[Tim Pool]

State probably murdering children just all day, every day.

[Ian Crossland]

He's like, look for little kids, which.

[Tim Pool]

I could have a third term. Lot more kids.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, he obviously hated Biden. He thought he said never. You know, don't ever underestimate Joe Biden's ability to F up. Like, that's his quote, basically said that.

[Tim Pool]

You, you, you to f. I know.

[Ian Crossland]

And so he's. He knows that Biden was a busted object. So he's not totally checked out. You know, he's a smart dude and he's not getting involved.

[Mark Grimes]

It's kind of the best of the worst up there. My boys up in upstate New York, they do not like Como whatsoever. But again, it comes down to the Best of the worst. You know, what do you, what's your options?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, I don't think that it's realistic to think that any kind of Republican can win in, in any kind of, you know, modern Republican can win in, in New York. Yeah. I feel like what's going on in, in the city. What's going on in the uk Right. Like even the people in the UK that are considered conservative are, would be considered Democrats by the US Standards.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

None of them actually say things like that. Would be considered conservative by US Standards. None of them want a smaller government. None of them want to limit the nhs. They want to expand the nhs. They want their National Health service to take care of more people. They want to continue funding. They don't want to actually make the government smaller. And that's, you know, that at least by, again, by American standards, conservatives want to make the government smaller. They want to limit the amount of programs that people are on. You know, government programs that the people are on. Because if the government is paying for your food, the government can prevent you from eating. It's a system of control. At the end of the day.

[Mark Grimes]

Pretty small right now. It's shut down so.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, it's great and I love the idea, but you know, I think that, that the, the idea that a real conservative could be elected in New York, I, I don't, I don't think that's, that's realistic.

[Tim Pool]

No. Even Curtis Lewa said not to deport illegal immigrants.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

These. It's like New York's like a city state back in the day. It was a big way of governance back in the day, before countries got kicking, before technology and roads and, and, and writing and paperwork and all that. But city states, New York's like a city state. If you ever go live there, you can go into the city and never leave for seven years. You don't have to leave the city. You have everything and then more. And you'll never run out of stuff to find.

[Tim Pool]

Except there's no. They don't make their own food. But as like a centralized hub, they're all import.

[Ian Crossland]

And this is actually, this is in the 1800s. It was Vanderbilt controlled all the men who made America. You know, the richest man in America controlled the railroads and decided one day we're not going to ship food into New York anymore. And held the government by the balls. It was a big part of the reason why they started like antitrust, breaking up monopolies, because these corporations can get way too powerful. But that's more of an aside. Living in a city, you garner a different mindset because you really are reliant on your. The protector to make sure that the guy doesn't snap and stab you. You just can't. It's hard to take care of yourself in the city. If you shoot and the bullet misses and hit somebody else, you're liable.

[Tim Pool]

Except now what's happening in New York. Now, now in New York. I mean, this has been this way in New York for a long time. Luke Rudkowski had that video from like a decade ago where a guy went on a stabbing rampage in the subway. And the cops were like, we are under no obligation to save lives. And so they stood back and watched as a dude was stabbing people. And some passenger intervened and stopped this murderous dude. And then after subduing the guy and this dude gets all stabbed up, the cops intervene. And apparently there was a lawsuit over in the courts rule. Yeah, cops don't have to protect you. So now you end up in cities like New York with gang bangers and criminals. And Mamdani saying, release all the inmates from Rikers. Yeah, it's just. It's just nuts. He has more sympathy for the murderers than for the children that get murdered.

[Ian Crossland]

Did he say why he wanted to release the criminals?

[Tim Pool]

He said he went to Rikers and the day you visited, someone killed themself, took their own life because of the torturous conditions of Rikers.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, okay. Well, there's a different story. Fix the conditions maybe, but don't.

[Tim Pool]

And so he said he wants new borough jails in every borough and that he would close down Rikers and release these inmates. But while he tries to defend himself in the campaign trail now saying, I'm not for releasing all these prisoners, he has in the past said, crime is a social construct. We need criminal deferral programs instead where instead of going to jail, you get released with an ankle monitor or something. And he's called for replacing cops as social workers and defunding the police. So we know what he actually wants now he's saying what he has to say to get elected.

[Mark Grimes]

But show me a city that's Republican run. You know, even in. In Toronto, like, everything is downtown for the, you know, the Democrats, like, you know, the city that never sleeps, like New York, the jobs that come with that, the restaurants, the dishwashers, they all, you know, that the jobs they have to live, they need to have transit. They can't live out in the suburbs, but they're, you know, any city in North America is usually Democrat and The further you go from the city, the more Republican it comes.

[Ian Crossland]

Is that like that in Toronto too?

[Mark Grimes]

Oh, absolutely. But I said the services are there for the people that need it, that are all downtown. The transit's there for them. They get, you know, there's all kinds of services for them. So that's why they're kind of concreted in the downtowns of, of these major cities. And the further you go, out you go, you ask a farmer if he's a Democrat, you don't find very of those, but that's historically the way it is. You show me one Republican city in the United States. I don't think there is any.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think for a brief period a few years ago, San Diego had a Republican mayor. But yeah, all the urban centers are run by Democrats.

[Mark Grimes]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And that's, you think because it's a phenomenon because of like the reliant on public transport.

[Mark Grimes]

Well, travelers again, the jobs that come with these big cities, you need, you know, people to work in the restaurants and you know, from the service industry to the dishwashers. And I always said when I was in politics, you know, you know, we have to make it affordable. You can't have a guy come, you know, five miles to come and wash dishes in, in downtown Toronto or downtown New York. Can't afford it, can't afford to take the transit. So they have to live. And that's why you need affordable housing to make the cities work. Right. So you know, historically it's been Democrat run, very left leaning in, in the city. And the people, the service is there for the people that need it. You know, the people that are less fortunate that are out there, you know, begging for money and panhandling, that's, that's where the people are going to be. So that's where they kind of congregate. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

Man, I'm thinking about Shays rebellion after the American government was formed. And basically the farmers, after they went off and fought the revolution, they came back and they owed all this debt because they hadn't been able to run their farms to the cities. And the city's like, we don't want your soft currency anymore, we don't want your food. We want hard currency. We need money because we need to pay back the French. So they try to take money from the farmers that they didn't have. And the farmers just revolted and went to the city and stood outside courthouses basically ready to, ready to serve a real revolution again because the cities were trying to control the outlying territory probably since the dawn of man that's been happening. They congregate, they get centralized power, and then they try and take over everything else. I don't want to talk out of hand about the Chinese because I don't really know how they're doing their central planning. But, you know, with the right technology, you can sort of try and take over your environment.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, China's got a really good, or China has done a really good job of intruding into just about every aspect of the Chinese people's lives.

[Tim Pool]

Probably propping up Mamdani.

[Phil Labonte]

I wouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

There are a bunch of crazy accusations about NGOs that have been funneling money. This was a big story. Apparently, Soros is accused of funneling some 40 million or whatever through various NGOs that propped up Mamdani. I am not convinced he is popular as people outside of New York think he is. And so there's a lot of questions about this election, not just the polling, but the question of whether or not the Democrat machine will allow these far leftists to actually take over.

[Ian Crossland]

I was wondering about that.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, this is a conversation that we've had a lot, right. The kind of the energy of the base is with the far left. But the Democrats have had as much influence and success as they have because they've been getting donations from people that are, you know, left leaning. But they're capitalists. They have money. They're, you know, millionaires and billionaires that have given tons of money to Democrat candidates. I mean, you look, you look at Hillary Clinton's campaign raised over a, over a, you know, raised a billion dollars to run her campaign. Barack Obama spent a billion dollars on his campaign. I'm not sure what Joe Biden spent, but it was more than Donald Trump. They're getting these donations because of.

[Mark Grimes]

And they're organized and they stick together and they vote. Right. The right seemed, as you know, I have so many friends in Charles, I want to happen. How'd you run? You know, how you didn't vote. Like, you know, you have 30% people showing up for an election in your city. Ridiculous.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but the Democrats are. With the civil war that's going on in the Democrat Party, they're trying to figure out if they're going to have the support of these, these billionaires that were Democrats or if they're going to continue to leave the Democrat Party because the Democrat Party is, is becoming more hostile to people that have money. The more the Democrats focus on class warfare, the less actual big donors they're going to have because those people are going to be like, well I'm, I mean I want to give money to Democrats because it makes me feel good because they're the part the nice party. But I'm not going to give money to Democrats if they're going to make policies like, you know, you have to pay a wealth tax every year on whatever money or whatever assets you have.

[Ian Crossland]

That's a good point. Because if the liberal economic order is really a corpor, which it seems like is run by corporate giants, they don't want to empower a communist or a socialist because that guy will try and take away power from corporations and give it to the state. So I can only imagine that they don't want him to be, to be mayor, but maybe they want just the US to fall. I'm thinking about like global, you know, money power, like bank for International Settlements bankers. They want the US to fumble so that a new system, a corporatocracy with a technocracy can come in through the World Economic Forum corporate governance. They would like to see the US fail. But I don't know if installing a guy that's semi communist socialist, I don't know what is how he finds his socialist.

[Tim Pool]

He's a communist. He's literally tweeted from each according to their need to each according to their ability. Let's pull up this story from the New York Post Bombshell New York City election eve poll predicts Zoran Mandani and Andrew Cuomo mayor race will come down to the wire. Now we got this from Kalshee. The New York City mayor election has got zoran Mamdani at 90%, Andrew Cuomo at 11 and Curtis Lewa at 1 which of course is greater than 100 for whatever reason. And I will say this full disclosure at this Today I traded in I purchased shares of yes for Andrew Cuomo the independent for two big reasons. First is this from Call she breaking Cuomo holds significantly more support inside of NYC than Mamdani per call sheet data. What you are seeing in the call she trading data 90% for Mamdani. These are people who are purchasing shares meaning they are predicting Zoran wins. However that's outside the city According to Call she's data inside the city among people who can actually vote and who know Cuomo is ahead by 9%. Now based on that alone I looked at the 9 to 1 odds zone versus Cuomo and I said that is not correct. Cuomo certainly is losing in the polls for the most part but it is way closer than that now this just means 90% of people outside and, well, combined with people inside New York and outside, they believe Zoran's going to win. Not that the polls reflect Cuomo may win. Cuomo may be down by one point. And so everybody just says Mamdani is going to win. But here's what I think. I think all that matters, the people inside New York, and they're giving an edge to Cuomo by 9%. Additionally, the question is, will the Democrat establishment allow a Zoran Mandani upstart to actually win against someone like Cuomo?

[Mark Grimes]

It's going to come. The voter turnout. I don't want. The voter turnout is in New York for a mayor's race. But, you know, this has been in the media. I think you're going to get a big turnout. I think you're going to probably see.

[Tim Pool]

A record turnout, maybe. And certainly that is the forward facing question, will people vote? My argument is actually the corrupt Wall street machine ain't going to let a communist win in New York City and screw up all their beautiful gains.

[Mark Grimes]

Yeah, I agree it's going to come down to voter turnout. So that's, you know, but that's the left.

[Tim Pool]

I'm implying they'll cheat. Yeah, I'm implying they're going to cheat. Not voter turnout. I'm saying that the powers that control New York's financial interests ain't gonna let a communist win. It's too. It's bad news for them. It's bad news for their billions. He's talking about just taxing more and more people. All these people are gonna be like, we will do whatever it takes to stop this guy. And I put, I make that bet. That's the bet I make. I think I'm wrong. Well, no, no, I don't think I'm wrong. But I do think Mamdani still has the greater chance to win. I think that's fair.

[Ian Crossland]

I like how you say, you're like, this is what I think. I think I'm wrong. But I think that that would have been cool if you rolled with that. I thought the same thing about Trump. I thought, there's no way they're gonna let this guy become president again.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

This is the third time I was wrong. I had faith. Maybe because I held the faith. That was part of it. But I just thought, like, how could it possibly, with digital hacking voting machines, voter, like carry bags of votes and all this, like, right. How could it.

[Tim Pool]

I think Mamdani is likely to win. However, I think the odds they have for Cuomo are way off. And what is it like $100 of yes will net you like a grand. So I'm like, hey, you know, probably gonna lose also. It's kind of nuts how you can basically just, I don't want to say bet, but trade on literally anything. I will also give a shout out to Kashi. They do sponsor the show when we, when we shout, shout them out in their predictions. But I do think it's incredibly insightful to track what people in this country are thinking. And here's what I was thinking about it. These people who are purchasing on call sheet, they're not randomly buying. These are people who are researching their. Their trades because they truly believe an event is going to happen. And you could see it today in one of the markets, which was snap benefits getting delayed. 98% said yes before announcement was even made. And then they announced Trump is delaying and reducing benefits, which the market accurately predicted because people are. Are betting to make money. I will say, however, it's pretty crazy because there are always people who buy the long shots. And so if you wager on Zoran, like a hundred bucks, you win like two bucks. But two bucks is two bucks. You know what I mean? You know, you put $2,000, you win 20 bucks. 20 bucks to show what is it, right?

[Mark Grimes]

Where's the show?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, if you got a hundred dollars to spare, instead of buying, instead of wagering on Mom Donnie, you should buy like, some kind of stock that's doing well or something, cuz.

[Mark Grimes]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

That'll.

[Phil Labonte]

That'll probably get you a little more profit than. Than two bucks.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the question I got for you guys is who's the establishment candidate? Zoran, the new establishment candidate, or is it still Cuomo?

[Ian Crossland]

It's Cuomo.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I. I kind of feel like I agree with Ian. I think it is Cuomo. I do think that there's a. There's going to be significant pushback against Momdani. Even if he wins, there's going to be a lot of people that are going to be working against whatever his policy, you know, whatever policies you're trying to implement in New York, because there's a lot of people with a lot of money that don't want to see the kind of taxation that, you know, mom Donnie would. Would be likely to implement.

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[Dana]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Phil Labonte]

Already super expensive to live in New York. There's already a municipal tax for living in New York. The people that make money in New York. I don't think there's like a New York income tax, is there?

[Tim Pool]

Oh yeah. Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

So if you work in New York, you have to pay a tax for a tax on the income that you make in New York City. Yeah, that's, that's crazy. But I mean, like, you know, I mean, I don't imagine the people that are making a lot, you know, people that make a lot of money are going to be, are going to look too fondly on that. You have not going to be like, oh, I want to get out of here right away. I think they're going to try to use their, their resources and their connections to try to limit his, his ability to implement his, his policy.

[Tim Pool]

You have the highest income tax combo rate in New York City for the entire country because they've got federal, state and city income tax. And I think the city income tax is like 3% or something. And so it's just nuts how much money they take from you. And then mom, Donnie is just a lunatic. It was funny because he's like, we're going to make the buses faster and we're going to make them free. And I was talking to my wife earlier because we're watching the news and she's like, has Zoran mentioned where the money is going to come from for making the buses free? And I was like, of course, course not.

[Mark Grimes]

It's coming from upstate New York where my Lake house is. It's like the taxes I'm paying up there are ridiculous. And the people all up in upstate New York say we're paying for New York City. And that's what it is.

[Tim Pool]

Could be free. Buses would be free. The reason they're not free is someone has to pay the people who fixes the buses, who drives the buses, coordinates.

[Ian Crossland]

For the buses with the people that would just get on the bus and sleep because they have nowhere to go. You got to keep those people off the bus.

[Tim Pool]

And look, I'm going to. When I. When I finally run, I'm going to. Not only the bus is going to be free, they're going to pay you. When you. When you walk on the bus, you press the button, a $5 bill comes right out.

[Phil Labonte]

You get paid per mile.

[Ian Crossland]

You stay on the bus pants while you sit your graphene pants store up your energy.

[Tim Pool]

I have no idea what you're talking about. My point is, Zoran Mandani says free buses and they're going to go faster. Well, my buses are going to go faster than that. And they're going to pay you to ride them. Because the question of where the money. Exactly.

[Mark Grimes]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

The buses will. Watch your kids.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you feel, Mark, do you feel like you guys subsidize upstate? Do you feel like you subsidize the city?

[Mark Grimes]

Well, that's the feeling up there. I know when Como was there, you know, all my boys in Rochester, they. They couldn't stand the guy, all the business guys, so they couldn't. But they said the taxes. I forget the guy's name from Page. I think he owned paychecks. He was. He was suing the city of New York. I forget where that went. But he was suing because the amount of tax money we're paying up there is a. It's ridiculous. Like, I got an acre and a half up there, and I think I'm paying close to 8,000 U.S. which is like 13,000, 14,000, my Canadian money. But for an acre. An acre and a half on the water. Right.

[Phil Labonte]

But I'm probably an hour. My place in New Hampshire is probably an hour and a half from the New York border to maybe two hours. I'm not sure exactly how long it takes to get across. To get across Vermont, because I'm. But I'm right on the. On the Vermont, New Hampshire border. I pay just a little bit more than that for 50 acres.

[Mark Grimes]

Yeah, it's crazy. But, you know, the guys up in Rochester, they just. They're. They're flipping out like you know, man, I.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe this is the accelerationist part of my brain, but, like, maybe it would be good if mom dummy became. I was going to say president. Mayor.

[Phil Labonte]

He cannot be president.

[Ian Crossland]

So. Okay, Mayor. So that we can see what happens.

[Tim Pool]

When you try Brandon Johnson.

[Ian Crossland]

Brandon Johnson in Chicago.

[Tim Pool]

Been there, done that. We learned our lesson. We all thought that electing socialists would wake people up to how insane things are. But what happens is people just flee the city and the stupid people stick around and it entrenches communism.

[Phil Labonte]

And the people that stick around, they say, well, we just didn't do the communism hard enough we have to do.

[Mark Grimes]

And people are fleeing the cities. In Toronto during COVID you know, people started working from home and they said, hey, we're going to move a couple hours outside the city of Toronto and they're buying place and they're. And they're leaving. People are leaving.

[Ian Crossland]

I tell people not to leave. You know, stay in your home. But I was just in New York, and when we drove by about 30 minutes out of the city, oh, I smelled New York coming, and it was disgusting.

[Phil Labonte]

Coming through from west to east across.

[Ian Crossland]

Jersey into the city, through the, the.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it smells like sour milk.

[Phil Labonte]

There's refinery, there's refineries in Jersey. Part of the reason why it stinks like that is because you're. You're going on 95. You're going past a lot of the refineries and stuff like that.

[Tim Pool]

So look, New York smells like sour milk.

[Phil Labonte]

Fair enough. I mean, all cities do. But like, I think I feel like in New Jersey, like that part of 95 in New Jersey smells uniquely bad because of the oil refineries that are going on there. So, yeah, look, I'm not, I'm not particularly a fan of, of New Jersey. I was just getting. Getting hell from Michael Knowles on, on X, because I was. I was making jokes about New Jersey.

[Tim Pool]

But was he from New Jersey or something?

[Phil Labonte]

He was born in New Jersey.

[Tim Pool]

Ah, that's a shame.

[Phil Labonte]

Look, Michael, don't. Don't hate me too much.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I don't know. If mom Donnie wins, it's going to be like Brandon Johnson. But I think mom Donnie's a lot smarter than Brandon Johnson. Brandon Johnson was like an accidental candidate. Mamdani is more like an evil guy. Some people I've talked with, they say he's retarded and evil. Perhaps. I think he's just generally evil.

[Ian Crossland]

I can't tell. I've watched some clips and it seems like he enjoys the publicity, which is a problem. That's A red flag for me. I mean, you have to kind of enjoy publicity if you want to be a public figure. But I don't want my elected officials to enjoy it too much.

[Tim Pool]

It's kind of like I can't do anything about that. Yeah, the bigger issue is that he's, he's. He's doing really well with the 90 IQ and below class when he says things like free buses and faster buses. Okay, I gotta say, I said it before, but really the faster buses thing is what gets me because it's something you tell a little kid. You know what I mean? Like, hey, I got you this little wagon and we're gonna put these flame decals to make it go faster. Faster doesn't. You're like, wow, like in New York.

[Ian Crossland]

That means you might be hit the wall quicker. Like you need more fluid traffic in New York as a whole. But that's not just the buses.

[Mark Grimes]

Yeah, they're getting basically this stuff for free. I mean, if people give you free, you're going to love the guy. And I remember, I remember during. I forget I was down the southern border when I forget what station was interviewing the. The people coming across the border, the immigrants coming across. And they're saying, who would you vote for? And they're going, oh, Joe Biden. Joe Biden. Of course they're letting you in. They're giving you money. Get on a bus. We're going to fly to New York. We're going to fly you to St. Louis, we're going to fly you to Wisconsin. Of course they're going to fully forget. They're going to love you. You come. Come to the country. They're giving you, you know, put you on a plane.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from the Post. Millennial millions may flee New York City if Mamdani elected mayor. JL Partners poll. The poll found that 25% would consider packing their bags to head out, which would amount to 2.12 million. Yet consider is not the same as would leave, but a lot of people would. Around 765,000 New York City residents would be prepared to leave the Big Apple. According to the poll, the current population of New York 8.5 million, which is way down, which is crazy. The poll found that 9% of New Yorkers would definitely leave the city. However, the poll also found that 25% would also consider packing their bagstad out, which amount of 2.12 million. The poll highlighted the alarm many feel is Mamdani may become the next mayor of the Big Apple and has previously called for defunding the police has vowed to increase taxes on the wealthy and other businesses and a $30 minimum wage, as well as vowed to implement a number of other left wing policies. The poll also asked what people thought the state of the city would be in in four years if Mamdani was elected. Some of the terms they used were disaster, hell, chaos, destroyed, and ishole. Those suffing from Manani, however, used the following for terms they thought the city would be like, affordable, improved, hopeful, and changed. Additionally, 7% of those earning $250,000 or more a year would also definitely leave under a potential Mamdani term, meaning a loss of tax base, as the top 1% of earners in the Big Apple pay around half the tax base for the city. Okay, I will say this part of me does hope he wins. I know that we've learned our lesson with Brandon Johnson. I just, I just kind of want to see it because he's talking about increasing the minimum wage to 30 bucks, which is the stupidest thing imaginable. It's something a seven year old comes up with. Why don't we just give them more money than they have money for food? Oh, gee, why don't we think of that? That this guy's a. Then you're taxing the top 1%. They will leave. It's funny when the US government tries to raise taxes on the billionaires and then they all go to St. Kitts and Nevis and renounce their US citizenship and then become island dwellers with passports that can go anywhere. But it's a bit harder to do. It's extremely easy to leave a city, especially if you're a billionaire. So what's going to happen? Every single billionaire with real estate, every millionaire with real estate, even people who make half a million, probably going to switch their residency to Florida. And as long as they spend more than half the year in Florida, they don't got to pay New York City taxes or New York State taxes. And I think we're going to see that they'll still fly to New York periodically, periodically for business. They'll still own property, but they are going to gtfo. I am willing to bet that if Mamdani is elected mayor, he will increase taxes. He will work with the city council to raise taxes and then their tax revenue is going to drop because they don't understand the laffer curve.

[Ian Crossland]

Kevin. Mr. Wonderful. Kevin Oliver O'.

[Mark Grimes]

Leary.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. He said he got his business out of New York already.

[Mark Grimes]

Boy.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that was when they tried seizing Trump's Properties.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. That was crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He said this is nuts. No developer is going to want to go into New York if you're going to lie to try and seize their properties.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they did, they did try to seize Trump's properties. And it's crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

Like you just need to rely on the corporation, the corporatocracy to run your cities. I know that sounds horrible because we're supposed to be for the people, by the people governance. But if, if the corporations leave your big city, your big city is going to be a big open, smelly, rotting cesspool without economy and no one's want to go, going to want to go there because there's not be money to pay people to clean it up. I, it does feel like we are held hostage by the corporate.

[Mark Grimes]

But they're creating the jobs. You know, you got the construction jobs on the development. You know, you need construction workers. They're good paying jobs. You got, you know, can we have. I have a friend who lived in the, in the Trump Tower, is a good friend of my very wealthy guy. He, he just took off and he said he moved to Florida. He said I'm out of here. I'm done. I'm done with New York.

[Ian Crossland]

The mommy pop shops that got hammered.

[Tim Pool]

During COVID We need a, a new market on call. She for if Zoran Mamdani gets elected, will they be forced to create a poop department like San Francisco?

[Mark Grimes]

Here's to praying people saying they're going to move out. If that, you know, if they win, I'm going to consider moving. You know, look happened like when, when Trump won. Who, who said? Doug Springsteen. He said he's. Yeah, but down. But a lot of how many of those, those stars said we're moving out of the country? How many? How many?

[Tim Pool]

A lot of them did. And this is crazy because Donald did it.

[Ian Crossland]

She's.

[Tim Pool]

And Ellen maybe and there's a handful of others we've talked about. But the issue is leaving the country is hard.

[Phil Labonte]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Leaving a city is easy. Yeah, very easy.

[Phil Labonte]

Especially a city that's, that's like, especially if you are in the north. Most people that are in the north, if they've got, you know, if they have access to a lot of money, they don't spend all winter in New York. The winter is, you know, personally I'm not a fan of the winter. And it's in New York, it's, it gets cold. A lot of people are like, I get out of there for the, you know, as much as I can for the, for the wintertime. So if you're going to be like, oh well, it's going to cost you a bunch of, you know, an X amount more dollars just to live here. It's. It's a situation where it's kind of like, well, that's the, the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, I only, I only ever spent time in New York because I had to for work, for business as an actor. I didn't. Never wanted to be there.

[Mark Grimes]

It's. It's like.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't say hell on earth, but it is chaos.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean I'm not a, I'm not a city guy anyways.

[Mark Grimes]

Still a great. I mean, you know, it's one of the greatest cities in the world. New York to me. I got engaged there on New Year's Eve with Dick Clark. When you. But it's, you know, people love going New York. Even Toronto, they compare Toronto as a mini New York. A little bit cleaner, a little bit slower than New York. But New York's a great city. It really is. And it's just a shame to see this, this happening. It's a shame to see all these in Seattle. What's going on? It's, it's, it's. You know, I've been to Seattle before all that crap happened out there. It's like, it's, it's so discouraging to see it happen. And it's.

[Ian Crossland]

I think driving in New York is what got me because I, my PTSD was kicking in. I was like, I don't drive in New York.

[Mark Grimes]

That's, that's.

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't even foot traffic.

[Ian Crossland]

There's beautiful. It's wonderful. Maybe some dirty parts of Brooklyn, you know, smell. But like Manhattan, particularly if I have.

[Phil Labonte]

To go to New York, I still drive in. I don't, I'm not a fan of it but I like. And I probably wouldn't take my. I probably wouldn't take my Tesla. I'd probably take the Jeep. But like, you know, even like when I go to New York, I'll drive in just because I don't like having to. To rely on trains.

[Ian Crossland]

Then do you stick it in a garage and keep. Do everything from foot? Yeah. Trying to get. And then like where's parking? 25 minutes later. I think I found a spot. Oh no, it's a no standing spot.

[Phil Labonte]

I used to just go and park down by where the label. The label actually headquarters was.

[Tim Pool]

It's actually very easy to park in New York. This is a. Just not during business hours.

[Ian Crossland]

So at night it is. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Around 6 o', clock, you can park wherever you want.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because everybody leaves and then you've got like an hour before it fills back up. It's that hour everyone's leaving work and then coming back home from those who commute from New York.

[Ian Crossland]

If you could put all your traffic underground, like Elon's boring company building, these tunnels. So all Manhattan roads, if they were underground. I know we have the subway, that'd be hard to do. But if the surface was like grass and you could walk out of those buildings and it was clean and there wasn't traffic, honking, smelling.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, nobody's walking from like the Financial district to the Upper east side.

[Phil Labonte]

This is all just.

[Mark Grimes]

I heard a lot of the Wall street wasn't going to Texas.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Grimes]

They're leaving. Those Wall street firms are saying, we're out of here, old team, we're going to Texas. You know, I don't. You guys are probably up in that more than me, but if you guys start fleeing out of there, like I said, I worked on the floor of the stock exchange when we traded on the floor, you know, writing tickets out. Now with the new technology now, you can almost trade. These guys are trading from home, the guys I still with. Or trade from home. You can trade.

[Tim Pool]

If you work in finance in New York and you have not prepared a contingency plan for a Zoran Mandani Mayor Victor mayoral victory, you're a moron. However, if Cuomo wins, you buy yourself some time. But you look at what they're doing to the city, I think it's only a matter of time before you get him on Donnie.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep, that's true.

[Ian Crossland]

At least a young guy, like, it's time. It's somebody young. That for sure. Cuomo's what's.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, no, but the point that Tim's making is that like if, because of the, the how close this is likely to be. So even if, if Cuomo does win, there will be someone coming that has the same. Has similar policy proposals to Mamdani. Even if it's not Mamdani, it would be likely that Mamdani would, would run again like, you know, whenever they, they have another mayoral election. But this sentiment is something that is widespread in the U.S. it's not just in New York. Right. Like, this sentiment is, is the reason why AOC has the influence that she does. The sentiment is the reason why. Why Bernie had. Had the, the influence that he did. Because people like that kind of left leaning populism.

[Ian Crossland]

I Guess maybe we need a little more socialism. No more. Because.

[Phil Labonte]

No, I guess we don't.

[Ian Crossland]

Hell on earth. Could be. If you went to a city and it was owned and run by a corporation, it'd be better than.

[Phil Labonte]

It'd be better than.

[Tim Pool]

You can leave.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, you can leave.

[Phil Labonte]

And you can also like you can, you can go to a different place. You can decide you don't want to do business with that corporation or whatever the government is. The guy are the ones with the monopoly on force. It is always worse a big government in control of everything than a corporation in control of it.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. And now the company was, was like still bad.

[Tim Pool]

If there's one massive corporation controlling everything with private security marching around, making you use their currency, neither is good. But government substantially worse because they're the ones that monitor you in your homes and force you to do things you don't want to do. And they don't you leave either. Like we saw in East Germany.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, the government's supposed to just stop the corporation from becoming megacorp.

[Mark Grimes]

But.

[Ian Crossland]

But it failed. It's not supposed to create pseudo megacorp.

[Phil Labonte]

It is. It is megacorp. That's what the government is like. The idea that like the government is going to prevent the megacorp. The government already is the megacorp. And they're the ones with the monopoly on violence.

[Ian Crossland]

They're supposed to stop like Standard Oil, what they did to Rockefeller. Standard Oil, they're supposed to break up monopolies. But they go overseas now. There's no way to stop it.

[Phil Labonte]

There's not. They're not really supposed to do that. Governments have. In my opinion, governments should have a very limited amount of power and there should be a very few specific things that they are allowed to do. And breaking up monopolies, to me generally there is not something that they should.

[Ian Crossland]

Be doing that only problem is like the East India Company, when you start to see corporations get so big, they become governments of their own and then they use scrip instead of dollars.

[Phil Labonte]

What happened to the East India Company?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, it controlled India.

[Phil Labonte]

You know what happened to it. Why is it not 200 years?

[Ian Crossland]

I think it. I don't know how it fell up, what, what it ended up turning into.

[Phil Labonte]

Because it doesn't keep. It doesn't remain in power the way governments do.

[Tim Pool]

Corporations. Interesting. All the governments from back then are functioning. In fact, there's new ones emerging, but the company itself is gone.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh yeah, that's a good point. What, how did. Why did it fail?

[Tim Pool]

There's another funny point that somebody Made is that far right governments tend to slowly dissolve in far left, go nuclear, kill a bunch of people, and then. And then go belly up. So like, you know, you look at Spain and it's like the far right took over and then he died. And they're like, I guess we'll have elections. The far left runs everyone to the ground, massacres millions, and then implodes from lack of human capability.

[Ian Crossland]

The far left will tell you it's communist, but then they'll create vanguardist systems and then they'll keep telling you it's communist.

[Tim Pool]

And so they have to try to defend communism. I don't think you know what that means.

[Ian Crossland]

They're not really communists. They kill to protect their power. Whereas in the right, he's just straight up like, yo, I'm the power. And you know, everyone knows ahead of time they're not lying to you. And then when he dies, there's a power vacuum that everyone's been expecting. But on the left, they make you think it's not. They make you think it's normal to have this communist group.

[Tim Pool]

And so the problem with the left, Michael Malice put it succinctly a couple of years ago. Do you think some people are better than others? The left says no. The right says yes. The view on the left is that billionaires are the same as they are. I mean, this is the really, the arrogance of the left. They look at Elon Musk and Donald Trump and they say, those people are stupid. And I'm sitting here being like, listen, you can call Donald Trump a lot of things, you can call him brash, but the man became a billionaire because he understood something. And these people, you ask these leftists, why aren't you a billionaire? And they go, because I'm not willing to be evil. Like, no, it's because you're too stupid to navigate the system to make yourself wealthy and successful. That's the reality. You know, the funny thing is about the right, the right recognizes their own limitations. Not every single person is not absolute. There's a guy's a plumber and he goes, listen, I'm just a plumber, okay? I understand what I can do with my job. I understand how much money I'm going to make. I'm not going to be Elon Musk. The left says, I'm a plumber. Why aren't I a billionaire? It's like, well, because you're a plumber, dude. Some people are these crazy intellects and workhorses that do things, and some people just aren't Some people are really dumb, but work really hard and find success. The number one factor was always perseverance. That's the problem with the left. They genuinely believe in a communist utopia where if it weren't for these parasite billionaires, everything would be perfect. Because they've never actually tried to manage a business and they don't understand why HR exists. You know, I love is the people who complain about HR and they'll be like, isn't it annoying that they make you watch these workplace, you know, guideline videos about sexual harassment or whatever and they think the corporations are just doing it. It's actually the law. And so they're like, we're legally obligated to have these. Our insurance company's requiring it. We're legally required to have insurance. So the, the people who run the companies only have limited control as it is. And these, my favorite thing about this is having tried to run or literally having run numerous businesses even to this day. Yo, I gotta tell you, there are people with gumption and vision and there are people who don't and to varying degrees are capable of doing certain jobs. I guarantee you, if you got rid of the billionaires, the entire country goes mad. Max, they're not billionaires because they're evil parasites. They're billionaires because they're smart. They work and they build management systems. Sure.

[Ian Crossland]

And there are, are evil parasites that become billionaires and they can do immense amount of damage because when you have that amount of power, your, your actions are amplified. But that doesn't mean that it's the richness that's doing.

[Phil Labonte]

If they're evil parasites, how do they get into such positions of power?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, they might inherit it. They might become twisted through the, the process of getting their money. George Soros, Greed betraying people in business. You didn't sign it or you signed what you thought you didn't. And I don't care.

[Tim Pool]

That is fake, that's not real, that doesn't exist.

[Ian Crossland]

But getting someone to sign something they didn't understand. Yep, I don't.

[Tim Pool]

That is a trope. That is not real. I explain this all the time.

[Ian Crossland]

You can manipulate people in business.

[Tim Pool]

I explain. I explain this all the time. Dude, people think. And this is, this is one of the things that I think separates. At least there's a scale of capability in running a business. If you live in the world where you're like, if it's written on paper and signed, it's law, you are going to hold yourself back because the people that are running systems aren't Thinking in these terms, and these terms are not correct. Elon Musk doesn't sit there and say, I am bound by these walls. Elon says, what must you do to get to point A, from point A to point B? But I'll put it this way. If you trick someone into signing a contract, you know what's going to happen. They will not abide by the contract. And then you can try to sue them and a judge will say, are you joking? And throw it out. And you got to pay their legal fees.

[Ian Crossland]

But if you're not tricking them, you did. Just don't read the contract. People don't. Normal people like plebs, they don't have acumen and they don't have money for a lawyer.

[Phil Labonte]

Ian, if you're a billionaire, right, and you're dealing with someone else who is on a similar level with you, that guy has a team of lawyers that's going to deal with his, with, with any kind of contract. When, when they're talking about the, or when we were talking about the, the situation that Donald Trump was in, right? So when he, he, he did the, the, what's it called? The, the deal in Florida, right, for Mar a Lago. And, and there was the, the company, the, the bank that he did the deal with, right? Like they both said, we are happy with this.

[Tim Pool]

You mean, you mean, you mean the Deutsche bank building in New York?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I'm sorry, my building.

[Tim Pool]

A building in New York. And they argued that he gave the wrong square footage. Here's the, here's the important thing to understand.

[Phil Labonte]

They're both sophisticated participants. You don't get a sophisticated participant dealing with a plebiscite.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, if you're hiring them, that's what I'm talking about.

[Phil Labonte]

You're not gonna make a million dollars or billions of dollars as a bit. Like if you're a billionaire and you're just hiring someone.

[Tim Pool]

Let's break it down, Ian. If I said, ian, let's do a music contract, I'll give you 10% of profits generated after cost. And you went, got it? I didn't trick you. If you then later go, how come I'm only getting 10%? You tricked me. I say no. Whether you understood or didn't isn't my problem. I made you an offer.

[Ian Crossland]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

The ethnicity in good faith. It's not about ethics.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, as a friend, you'd be like.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, this is communist bs. This is the communist bs.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, as a friend, if it was friends and you were talking with a guy, you'd be like 10% is too low. They're going to offer you 10, you have to push back to get 20 or 30. But when you're the business partner, you don't tell them that ahead of time because you want them to take 10%.

[Tim Pool]

And if the person agrees to the terms, it's not really, it's just not evil at all. Throat.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, you do.

[Tim Pool]

It's not cutthroat at all. This is, this is the, this is communism. This is my problem with communists is that I'm looking at the products that we make and let's just say skateboards. And I say, here's our cost to make it. Here's how much money we have to generate after the fact. We got to pay staff, we need to have a rainy day fund. So we need to generate X amount of dollars per sale. I can offer you X amount of dollars per board. They go, okay, they sign the deal. Then when the money comes in and the business generates $4 million and they get paid out a hundred grand, they go, whoa, but how did you get 4 million? And you say, we got to pay insurance, we got to pay property taxes, we got to pay for products, we got to pay for marketing, we got to pay all these things. And they go, I think that's not fair. You ripped me off your email.

[Mark Grimes]

You took the risk. You took the risk. You put your house up. Whatever you've done, right, you put your money up on the table. They don't, right, so.

[Tim Pool]

And then they complain. I didn't understand I was only going to get paid this much.

[Ian Crossland]

Help me if you think this is evil. If you are working with another, you're trying to do a deal with a company and you know, shit, if this, if they sign with that other company, I'm not going to be able to get this deal. So you don't tell them about that other company. You just get them to sign your contract really fast and then later they find out there was another opportunity that you knew about.

[Tim Pool]

Why is that evil?

[Ian Crossland]

People might say that, that because you, it was just, it's just business. But in a human way, that would be a horrible thing to do to a friend, a person that you care about. So that's where they think it's like that would be you considered evil and.

[Tim Pool]

How they're cutthroat for sure. I'm just arguing in this, in the, in the simple of so often. A lot, a lot of people enter into contracts that they, you know, I just watched this movie called Dead Money with Emile Hirsch and There's a really interesting legal question that arise at the end of the movie. Spoiler alert. So the movie's only a year old, but get a spoiler. I'll keep it light. Basically, there's two bad guys, and they're trying to steal. Let's I'll do. I use an arbitrary amount of money so I don't spoil the. Spoil the movie for you guys. They'll say, there's a million dollars. And they say. He's like, hey, I'm going to pay you $100,000 to this job. The guy says, I want half. And he goes, half? Are you nuts? Okay, fine, you can have half. $500,000 later, when they rob the joint, they come back with $3 million. And he goes, okay, now I'm going to give you your half a million. The guy says, no, no, I said half. And he goes, no, half of the first number. We got extra. I'm giving you 100,000. Now he wants, you know, he. Or, I'm sorry, he wanted 500. Now he's asking for 1.5. And there's an argument over what was the actual terms. So that was an interesting way to look at the legal issue. The guy, the stupid guy is like, you said half. And he goes, no, you said half. And then I offered you 100. He said, yes. So you get 100. Or, I'm sorry, 500. Whatever. You get the point. I'm going to say this before we move on to the next subject. The main point of this is when you say things like, someone entered into a contract because they didn't understand it. And that's not a real thing. If you enter into a contract and I put something malicious or untoward or even unreasonable in it, the judge will rip that contract up in two seconds. If I said, ian, if I made you sign a contract for music that also granted me power of attorney, the whole thing's gonna get torn up in court. I mean, judge is gonna say, that's a ridiculous contract.

[Ian Crossland]

I think a lot of terms of service are ridiculous, but.

[Tim Pool]

And they all get torn up in.

[Ian Crossland]

Court if they get challenged. Sometimes people just play along. They just go along with it together.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, because. But no, no one. No one needs to challenge these things. Terms of services. The reason nobody reads them is because nothing happens ever from them. The point is, if you were tricked into bad terms, those terms will be voided in a. Yeah, that's probably a.

[Ian Crossland]

Bad example of an evil corporate overlord tricking people into signing contracts. They just will, you know, need to Know basis. If you didn't hear it from me, sign it quick. You know, false sense of urgency. That's done in business a lot. There's definitely.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the other thing people can do.

[Ian Crossland]

In business to get ahead.

[Tim Pool]

This is. This is the other thing a lot of people don't realize, too. If I enter into a contract with somebody and then I thought those terms unfavorable, you can renegotiate the terms at any point. At any point. You know why? All that matters is you get the balls to do it. So I've entered into contracts before, and then I'll keep it. I'll keep the description of these contracts light. Signed a deal, and then it turns out they were trying to pull revenue that I didn't expect them to pull, that they'd argued did fall to the terms. And so I simply responded very politely with, okay, well, you're never going to do that again. And we're going to make sure that's clear. It doesn't. And they said, well, I mean, Tim, I mean, you signed the contract. And I said, if you want to go to war, I will make you regret it. Let's be nice right now and say we're not playing that game. Okay? Okay, no problem. No problem. So if you want to sit there and just say, drat, you tricked me and you're taking my money from me, sure, people are going to rip you off left and right. But if you actually challenge any of these people and never even goes to.

[Ian Crossland]

Court, that's what people will rip those people off left and right. Not everybody. But the opportunism in the human, you know, behavior.

[Tim Pool]

And that's why it's even worse when a government has unilateral authority to put a gun in your mouth if.

[Ian Crossland]

If you don't listen or a corporation.

[Tim Pool]

Corporations can't do that.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, the East India Company did that for 150 years in India.

[Tim Pool]

You're talking about war.

[Ian Crossland]

It was the biggest military on the planet.

[Tim Pool]

You're talking about war in foreign countries.

[Ian Crossland]

It was just conquest.

[Tim Pool]

You're talking about war in foreign countries.

[Ian Crossland]

Talking about the British creating a corporation that became bigger than the British Empire.

[Tim Pool]

And they weren't talking about. They weren't going to their citizens and stealing from them. They were just going to foreign countries and invading. You're talking about war in foreign countries versus contract law. They're completely different things. Well, in the United States, we have constitutional protections and rights. Sure, they're eroding, but it is still always going to be better to Have a corporation as opposed to a government, despite the fact the corporations are still bad.

[Ian Crossland]

I think it's the same thing. It's just word. It depends. It just depends on the size of the military and how many people are running it.

[Phil Labonte]

Hey, Ian, just so you know, the. The East India Company, they rule of India ended in 1858 when the British crown just said, we're seizing your property. Yeah, so it was the government that actually had the ability to say, hey, you're no longer in charge here. We're the ones that are in charge.

[Ian Crossland]

They let them run.

[Tim Pool]

And additionally, Ian, what's your argument?

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Dana]

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[Dana]

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[Tim Pool]

This is a health plan.

[Dana]

I'm trying to reach Pacific Source.

[Tim Pool]

I know I'll get a person on the phone when I call them. What do you think I am? I mean, you sound like a person. That's what counts.

[Dana]

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[Tim Pool]

Empathy.

[Dana]

When you call Pacific Source health plans, you'll talk to a person who cares.

[Tim Pool]

What did you say Your name was?

[Ian Crossland]

Nexa9000Doing.

[Tim Pool]

Is that a totalitarian corporate authority? Your argument is it. It is a government.

[Ian Crossland]

Technically, it's a type of.

[Tim Pool]

Then you're just. You're saying government is bad?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, no, no, no. No, no. Totalitarian government is bad, whether it's corporate or otherwise.

[Tim Pool]

So there's no such thing as a. So you're playing a semantic game.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe I don't mean to be, but that's why I think we are, because we're both talking about totalitarianism really is the problem, whether it's your government that you elected or a corporation that you didn't. If it's totalitarian.

[Tim Pool]

So you're talking about a totalitarian system that seized control at a corporation.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not like, I, I am not.

[Tim Pool]

At all concerned about Walmart violating my rights.

[Ian Crossland]

Really? What about Alphabet?

[Tim Pool]

A little bit. Maybe it's big corporations are bad.

[Ian Crossland]

What's that?

[Tim Pool]

Big corporation, monopolistic powers are bad.

[Ian Crossland]

We've had to, like, no one from.

[Tim Pool]

Google is going to come and put a gun in my mouth and steal my money from me.

[Phil Labonte]

No one from am. Like, Amazon isn't your enemy.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Phil Labonte]

Like an Amazon is, is a massive, massive corporation. They do business with like 300. Like, they service like 300 million people worldwide. They have a couple million employees. Google is a, is a, is unique in that it is a technology company and it's, it's got so much access to information because of the security, because people trust it with security. Things like, so that way they can do banking and so that way they can, they can have access to passwords and stuff like that. But technology companies like that are unique compared to just about every other type of, you know, corporation in the world.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, let's, let's, let's move on. I'll jump to the story from cnn. The Trump administration will provide only half of usual food stamp benefits in November. It has been announced, ladies and gentlemen, some 4.65 billion from the SNAP contingency fund will be obligated to cover 50% of eligible households current allotments for November, according to a sworn statement. Hey, that's the weaning off of the system that we had talked about. The decision came after a federal judge in Rhode island ordered the USDA last week to either start providing full November benefits, two recipients, or partial benefits if the agency opts to only draw on snap's contingency fund. I will add the court order literally says if they choose to do it. So the court didn't actually give a hard order. It said the funds are available and if they choose, they can pull these funds and pay it. It did, however, say if they are going to do it, they have to do it now. So here's the question. Do we think the government will open. Now, I've talked to some people in government and they think it's going to be till Christmas, that maybe it may remain shut down. And if that actually happens, it ain't going to open after Christmas because they're all Congress going to go on vacation. So then what happens? They're not calling a session in to negotiate this, Trump is saying, and the filibuster Democrats won't budge. There is a decent probability that the government arraigns shut down into the new year.

[Mark Grimes]

Oops.

[Tim Pool]

So what happens to food stamps? Trump only has one month at reduced rate to pay.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, it looks like that they're going to, they'll be able to put a band aid on it for a little while. But, you know, if the day.

[Tim Pool]

I think they should shut it all down or like, no more.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not pro food stamp. The federal government shouldn't have these policies anyways. These, if the states want to do them, that's fine. But the federal government shouldn't be in the business of, of having these types of policies.

[Tim Pool]

People can, people who really need it can go to their local food banks, NGOs or churches, or stand outside of a supermarket and ask for help from those willing to provide it.

[Mark Grimes]

Wic.

[Tim Pool]

WIC is the ultimate program.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not wic, but it's more like if you really need it, like food.

[Tim Pool]

Stamps, me telling people to go stand in front of a supermarket and beg is very different from a government program that takes my money with a gun to my.

[Ian Crossland]

You don't want solicitors in front of grocery stores. Like, you don't want begging. It's, you know, people, it's like dirty, dirty where you flee the city for.

[Tim Pool]

I would rather, I would rather. No, because what you're talking about are. So hold on, hold on. You, you would rather be forced by the government taking your money than just have people standing outside supermarket asking you to please give it?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, what do you, when you say, I mean, I've had people beg. And when you say no, this is why you ignore them when they ask you. Because if you look at them and say no, they get, they can get aggressive and then, oh, it's West Virginia.

[Tim Pool]

I don't care.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, we're talking about cities right now. I mean, maybe we see this stuff in West Virginia.

[Tim Pool]

But if people, I love this argument that Democrats proposed paying criminals. If you guys remember this one, they were saying one of the policies proposed by the left was to pay criminals not to Commit crimes that if you get convicted of a crime upon release, they would say, we'll give you 500 bucks a month if you don't commit another crime. If you get caught for any crime, you'll lose these benefits and go to jail. And the reason why was they said it costs more money to incarcerate them. So we actually save money by offering them cash, not to be criminals. And it's just like. Yes, that's called perverse incentive. And that means you'll convince a lot of people to at least commit one crime so they can get on the, on the, on the no crime program and go back to not committing crimes, getting paid forever. And then once the no crime benefits run out, they'll commit a crime again and then get free money. I ain't playing that. And so this is where we're currently at. There are people who genuinely need food stamps. I recognize that, but. And I'm for food stamps. I am, right now, I am not for the corruption. And we've got way too many morbidly obese people getting welfare. So right now I'm saying purge the system, start it all over.

[Ian Crossland]

I was thinking if you did that, if it like, no, you can't buy garbage with it. You can only buy the super healthy things. Let's say how that would disrupt our economy. Because I think these corporations rely on the subsidies from the food stamps to pay their bills.

[Tim Pool]

I'm in favor of that. Here's what we say. Ebt, food stamp stamp, snap, whatever you want to call it, can only be used to buy fresh produce.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that's kind of like WiC. That's why I brought up Wicker women.

[Tim Pool]

And fresh produce, nothing else.

[Ian Crossland]

You look into the WIC program. It's for mothers basically, with baby women, infants and children. And it's only for eggs, bread, cheese, milk, things like all.

[Tim Pool]

I think this would be fantastic, actually. And what they should propose is right now, I think weaning off of it is good. And now we're at half the levels. Fantastic. They should say. Think about what would happen to our economy if the government subsidized people's food, but only fresh vegetables and meats.

[Ian Crossland]

More corporations would start making you guys.

[Mark Grimes]

Have the breakfast programs here for the kids in schools when they go to school in the morning. Oh yeah, all the schools have that lunch.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Reduced rates or whatever.

[Mark Grimes]

Kids go to school. They're fucking, they're. They. There's food for them at the school at lunch.

[Tim Pool]

So, so we have in. I, I can speak for Illinois. They had for lunch, free and reduced. If your family was poor, your lunch was free. If your family was not that poor, you get reduced. But here's the trick.

[Mark Grimes]

What about breakfast? Like, breakfast, the most important meal for some of these kids.

[Tim Pool]

I, I can't. For fellow. I can say I did not see any schools that did breakfast because the.

[Mark Grimes]

Breakfast programs, which is, you know, to me, that's a pretty important for the kids. Right.

[Tim Pool]

You know, you know, the secret was to Chicago public schools, you just say free.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

So the way it works is you would, you'd pay for lunch with money and then. Or a ticket. You'd like. If you, if you're, if your family paid, you get your lunch ticket or whatever, you'd go through a line. Then they'd be like, they got pizza, mashed potatoes, corn, put it on your tray. Then you hand them your ticket. If you're reduced, you have a green ticket. And if you were free, you said free. So guess what? Everyone did.

[Phil Labonte]

Free.

[Tim Pool]

Yep, that's it.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, humanity.

[Tim Pool]

I remember it was crazy being in like sixth grade and we go on the line and the other kids would just go, I'm free.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because their parents didn't, like, their parents didn't qualify. So they just not pay and just, just say free anyway. But the funny thing is we actually had pseudo breakfast at my public school because I despise public school so much. Instead of doing recess, my school decided to do recess right before the day started. As a technicality. Yep. So recess was like 7:30 to 8. So instead of having recess, you just show up to school at 8 and then there'd be no recess and you get out of school at 2:30. Whereas recess used to be from other, other schools like you. At noon, everyone goes and plays for a half hour to, you know, get it out of their system. Nope, that's not the way that. So what would happen is you could come for breakfast, recess and breakfast, and they had the Super Donut. You guys remember Super Donuts?

[Mark Grimes]

No.

[Tim Pool]

No. You don't know that one. You don't remember Super Donut? Oh, man. You guys, they. Someone restarted the company. Super Donut was a, was a public school lunch and breakfast item that, you know, we had kids with like stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

In it, maybe ham or cheese. It was just a donut.

[Tim Pool]

Literal donut. Just a donut in a package. And everyone loved it. And a company brought them back and they're like, just like, just like when you were a kid, everything you'd love from grade school, you know, if they.

[Ian Crossland]

Rebuilt WIC or Not wic, the food stamps. Like RFK has got this agenda of what he wants people to be eating. And if they could somehow say these foods particularly are going to be on the reintroduced food stamp program. You can get olive oil, you can get avocado oil and coconut oil, but you can't get any other oils. It would destroy the corn oil industry. I know, I know they don't want to do that.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think that it would destroy the corn oil.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think so. I think big soybean oil and corn oil and the seed oil and all that.

[Phil Labonte]

The only thing that would destroy the corn oil industry would be ending corn subsidies.

[Mark Grimes]

But I. They should be giving out healthy food if you got food stamps. I remember the debate at council. We. We made the companies put the calories up on the boards at the, you know, McDonald's, whatever. Right. I agree with that. Now, I didn't really want to vote for it when it came before, but I, I said a lot of obese people out there eating stuff. Not. Well, I don't, it's.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think the calories, like, you know, you go to the fast food restaurant Taco Bell and it's like a taco and it says 190 calories. I don't think that does anything because what. One of the problems that we've seen, I think one of the most devastating. Let me put it this way. There's a guy named Norman Borlaug. Have you guys ever heard of him?

[Ian Crossland]

I have, but I don't know who he is.

[Tim Pool]

They say that he saved a billion lives because he. I believe he was researching wheat and he figured out how, through artificial selection, to increase crop yield by four times or something that effect. However, the increase in crop yield does not increase nutrition because soil nutrition remains the same. And so what ends up happening is you get an increase in starches with no increase in nutritional value. What happens then? People have to slam boxes of Kraft macaroni and cheese just to. Just to feel full. People need to eat whole boxes of cereal and they still don't feel full because you're not getting the actual nutrition your body needs. So now people are getting fatter and fatter and fatter and they're hungrier and hungrier and hungrier. Meanwhile, for me, where I'm able to buy real food and healthy food and organic food, I gotta tell you, man, my wife, she made pork belly. I don't know what you call it. Fried pork belly or baked. Baked it. And four pieces of these Little things. I'm full. I'm like, I could not eat anything else. Protein, high fat filling. And then what did we have alongside of it? Some vegetable. I can't remember. What did she make?

[Ian Crossland]

It's those saturated fats are so important, and that means that the fat is carbon. It's a strand of carbon. And when it's saturated, that means it's surrounded by hydrogen. It's saturated with hydrogens. That's super important because it holds the electrons inside the fat, and that helps yourself. If it's unsaturated and it doesn't have the hydrogens free, rad. The electrons go flying off the fat. It messes up your endocrine system and messes up your mitochondria, whatever the case, gets saturated, healthy saturated fat.

[Tim Pool]

I could. I could probably eat 20 pancakes for breakfast without getting full. It just. Carbs do nothing for me. Nothing. You give me a little bit of sausage, and I'm like, oh, the protein that fills you up. But people are buying this garbage. Empty starches.

[Ian Crossland]

Serge called it golden wheat. Is that is. It was like a technical golden. Oh, you're thinking the golden rice.

[Tim Pool]

But it wasn't golden rice. More nutritional. Yeah. So anyway, let's just say this. How about right now? The compromise is we'll keep EBT going, but you can only buy produce, nothing else.

[Ian Crossland]

At least a start. You could reintroduce the program.

[Tim Pool]

Fresh raw meats, no seasoning, no spices. None of that. No chocolate, Maybe no drinks. You got water coming out of the faucet. Drink that.

[Ian Crossland]

Salt for sure. Maybe honey, you get your sweeteners.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know about salt. Why?

[Ian Crossland]

Salt goes with everything. You need it.

[Tim Pool]

Salary.

[Ian Crossland]

That's where the word salary comes from. Nah, it's a Roman thing they used to pay their soul. I mean, salt, it's so valuable. You need it. If you're gonna give a meat, you got to give them salt. Otherwise, you're gonna give them salted meat, and it's too much salt.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. I'm torn on the salt thing. Because you need salt, so maybe. But no. No pepper. No crushed red pepper flakes, no saffron. No. You go to the grocery store and EBT only gets you fresh fruit and vegetables and fresh meat. That's it. Nothing else.

[Phil Labonte]

Just beans and rice.

[Ian Crossland]

Beans and rice are a good one to sell.

[Phil Labonte]

No kidding. There shouldn't be ebt. Let states do it. The federal government shouldn't be doing it at all.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the reason I say this is as a way to wean off the system. And it also subsidizes healthier foods and it weakens the companies that produce garbage foods. So this will reorient as we wean the system down into people eating healthier foods.

[Mark Grimes]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And corporations reformatting to build healthier foods to create them and produce them. That's a good idea.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm sure that has some unseen consequences on the system, but I think that's the direction we should head.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, we solved that problem.

[Ian Crossland]

Thanks, Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

So you look now, by the way.

[Ian Crossland]

Did I tell you that?

[Phil Labonte]

Pardon me?

[Ian Crossland]

You look good.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, thank you very much. I. I'm surprised that I look good considering how little sleep I look.

[Ian Crossland]

Like you lost a little weight.

[Phil Labonte]

It's possible.

[Ian Crossland]

Raising a newborn possible or. Sorry to interrupt. You're about to say something prolific. I got in your way.

[Phil Labonte]

No, I probably wasn't gonna say them.

[Ian Crossland]

Put something prolific, but I'm gonna go to the bathroom.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story from the Mirror. Nancy Pelosi at the ripe young age of 85, will reportedly not seek reelection in 2026. No. But she's so young. She has so much, so much of her future and career ahead of her at 85, relative to the rest of these people running profits. Who's that lady who's 88 and has dementia and is running for reelection?

[Phil Labonte]

I have no idea.

[Tim Pool]

Pull that one up.

[Phil Labonte]

But as for Nancy Pelosi, I mean, we all know why, like she's made enough money in the stock market, power outside.

[Mark Grimes]

But what's the, what was your, your, the politician out in California, the lady, she was in her 90s, she was in a wheelchair. She just passed away.

[Tim Pool]

I have Feinstein.

[Mark Grimes]

Feinstein, like what is she doing there? What is she doing there at 85? We always talked about term limits when I was in an office in Toronto. And okay, so this, I think if, if you, if you have a four year term, you can run at 69 years old. As soon as you land in the 70s, you're done.

[Tim Pool]

So there's.

[Mark Grimes]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Eleanor Holmes Norton, 88 year old delegate non voting member from DC. She's, she's 88. She filed to run again in 2026 and the DC police report listed her as having early stages of dementia and noted she has a house manager with, with power of attorney.

[Mark Grimes]

That's a joke. Like I said. It's like I said, you land in your 70s, you're 69, you get run, you're 73, you're done. Anything like that idea, it's, you know, you got all you know, you're not in touch with young people but it's all about power. Why are they there?

[Tim Pool]

Well, what's, what's the, at what age should we stop allowing people to drive?

[Phil Labonte]

I think that depends. Well it depends on the individual. They should have to go for tests.

[Mark Grimes]

I think probably we, we have that in Canada. We go for a test after. I think it's 85. You got to go and you know.

[Phil Labonte]

I think Once you hit 80 driving.

[Mark Grimes]

Test you got to you know, pass your test.

[Phil Labonte]

I think Once you hit 80 you should go and you should have to be, you know have to go back for a test.

[Mark Grimes]

Unless you have to be 85 and in, in, in office.

[Phil Labonte]

No, not at all.

[Mark Grimes]

You know, you're not in touch with the, with the, with what's going on with the youth and it's, it's just a joke.

[Phil Labonte]

But as for driving, I think unless you like if you have a self driving car like a Tesla or something like that then fine. But otherwise everyone's different.

[Mark Grimes]

It's, you know, everyone's different.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, that's why you have 85.

[Mark Grimes]

Year old could be you know, way better than driving than somebody's.

[Tim Pool]

I, I suppose it's a question we want you to ask because we're going to have self driving cars in a.

[Mark Grimes]

Couple years all made in Canada.

[Tim Pool]

Are they all made in Canada?

[Phil Labonte]

No, no boys putting the Tesla's the most.

[Tim Pool]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Tesla's the most American made card currently right now.

[Tim Pool]

I like, I like all tariffs. I think we should tariff everything. No more, no more imports just gone. Unless it can't be made here at all.

[Mark Grimes]

Well hang on. Come on Tim. So you were, you were your number one trading partner is, is Canada and me being in a trucking company. We some of these parts across the border three or four times they go back and forth. It's you know, you know our premier which is our like your governor Doug Ford, he's a good friend of mine, he talked to me today. He wants to get a deal done right. And you know we're pushing on a string. We put those ads across during the.

[Tim Pool]

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[Mark Grimes]

Join.ice.gov the World Series and President Trump got all ticked off and stopped the negotiation, which is, to me, it's ridiculous. It's like we're trying to push on a string now. Right.

[Tim Pool]

So, so I guess, but it's, you.

[Mark Grimes]

Know, we have, we have the aluminum. Any tariff put on the United States is a tariff on the people. Right. And we're better together than, than apart, that's for sure. Like, you know, and I'm not in the weeds on the tariffs like in that. But if we're screwing the United States on tariffs, let's sit down and negotiate it. What does for the president say? No, I'm not going to talk to Camp, so I'm not going to talk to them right now. It's ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

Well, why is it ridiculous? Because, like, what do we need?

[Mark Grimes]

He's not the only one playing to his base. We have our governor, Doug Ford, our premier, who is playing to his base. We have our prime minister as a play to his base. We just can't roll over to President Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Sure, sure.

[Mark Grimes]

Support a lot of things he's doing. But Canada and U.S. together are much better than being apart.

[Tim Pool]

What, what does the US need from Canada?

[Phil Labonte]

Lumber.

[Mark Grimes]

Our minerals.

[Phil Labonte]

Lumber.

[Mark Grimes]

Our lumber. It's, it's, it's, it's crazy. And, you know, people are getting ticked off in Canada. I said, you know, you may think it's very small, but all the border states, you know, like in Buffalo and Kingston, Niagara Falls, all across the border, across this country, they rely on Canadians coming across. And I cross the border quite a bit and there is nobody, it's, there's lineups to cross. There's nobody crossing the border. I was talking to somebody in Florida at the TD Bank. I was telling Charlie before we came in here, they're selling their places in Florida. People are just, they're, they're really ticked off about what's going on. And listen, you know, it's, it's, it's okay. Canada, United States, been friends for a very long time. And I go back to. You guys are all too young for this. The, the Canadian caper. Anyone with the Canadian caper is. No. Back In Tehran in 1979, Iran was coming into your embassy. And we took five, six of your, your embassy workers, hid them in our embassy for three months, had them lose their American accents. We worked with the CIA. We came up with this crazy movie, this.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Grimes]

And we, we got them out. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so we, we don't need Canada for aluminum in Fact, because of our trade with Canada, we've become dependent on Canada. So I'm in favor of the tariffs. Estimates are within 10 to 15 years, we can get off of our Canadian dependency for aluminum.

[Mark Grimes]

Okay, well, let's, but let's talk about it. Let's just, don't just turn the tap off because right now, you guys, the tariffs are attacks on the US People. Like it's, it's. Who's paying for it? So, so, like, who's paying for the tariff, Tim? Like, the tariffs are on the, on the American people, but we're stronger together. And I said, you know, we want America to bring all these manufacturing jobs because we have, you know, the minerals, the, the.

[Tim Pool]

Why, why should, why should the US not develop its own aluminum industry?

[Mark Grimes]

If you did, we even make Canada stronger too, because you, you, you don't have everything you need. We, we have it.

[Tim Pool]

So what's the argument for the US to say instead of developing our own aluminum industry, we'll trade with. Have to have these negotiations?

[Mark Grimes]

Well, you have to have the relations now because there's, there's no trade. Like it's, it's, it's crazy. Like it's.

[Tim Pool]

And the problem is we should have never become dependent on Canadian aluminum.

[Mark Grimes]

But that's happened. That, that has happened.

[Tim Pool]

And now the best thing we can do is incentivize the industrial, industrial development in the US which tariffs will help do?

[Mark Grimes]

Listen, I. There's a whole bunch of different tariffs. I'm not going to get into that. But I said Canada and the United States have been our allies for a very long time. Where your best friend, your neighbor, your largest trading part, Ontario alone, like it was like your state. We're like, if we were our own country, we'd be your third largest trading partner behind China and Mexico. Like, it's so, so it's massive.

[Tim Pool]

The issue I see is that this gives foreign countries influence in our nation. This is a really great example. So pulling up the data, the United States produces around, I think, 18% of its aluminum. And the reason is we've not developed our own industry, which would take 10 to 15 years and 20 to 30 billion dollars to produce. American.

[Mark Grimes]

Where do you get the raw materials for that?

[Tim Pool]

The United States. We could do it. It would take 20 to 20 to.

[Mark Grimes]

30 raw materials to make the loom. Where's that coming from?

[Tim Pool]

The United States? In our own internal territories. We could, we could set up the mines.

[Mark Grimes]

Where's the aluminum mines in the United States?

[Tim Pool]

Where are they not built yet?

[Mark Grimes]

Where, like what state has aluminum.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, sure.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's, let's.

[Tim Pool]

Is that Canada? The only, the only region of the North America.

[Mark Grimes]

You know, President Trump is talking about Canada. It's ridiculous. You know, you had the operation Yellow Ribbon also that, you know, during, during 911 where all those planes landed in Gander, Newfoundland. We took 6,000 U.S. arkansas people's homes. We put them. The population of Gander is 10,000. We took 6,000 US citizens and put them like, we're your number one friend. So you know what, negotiate hard on the terrorists, but don't be treating can like we're some piece of. Yeah, that off the street. It's ridiculous and it's uncalled for, but right now we're pushing on a string. I'm not going to talk you to count on the terrorists right now. It's, it's, that's. To me, it's a child. Listen, I support a lot that your president's doing, but I'll tell you, it's, it's, it's, it's not good for either country.

[Phil Labonte]

No, I thought it was like at.

[Ian Crossland]

First I was like, what's this rhetoric where he's like, we're going to take, invade can. We're going to take over can. It's like, dude, first of all, have respect for other humans. Don't, don't talk down like there's some like, yo, bro, this is our neighbor. If there is an invasion from China, you better believe the battle is going to happen in Canada.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, guys, guys. Canada's not producing, does not mine aluminum ore, bauxite. It imports every single ton from Guinea, Brazil, Australia and China. Okay? The United States has Arkansas to mine but still requires imports. Beyond that, why are we dependent on Canada to import from Guinea, Brazil, Australia or China? We need to crank the tariffs up 10x. This is insanity. We got a middleman with a foreign country for our aluminum when we could be going straight to Brazil. Why don't we just import from Brazil directly?

[Ian Crossland]

Part of it's because it's dirty. The production is dirty. You saw East Palestine when they dumped.

[Mark Grimes]

Cost, you know, cut the transportation costs.

[Tim Pool]

You know, but now it's getting sent. This is the biggest problem I've had the whole time and why I've supported the Trump, Trump tariffs. Skateboards is a really great example and I don't care if you don't care about skateboarding. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's an example of industry. We get lumber from the Pacific Northwest and from Canada, North American rock Maple. We put it on ships and send it to China so that Chinese peasants can make skateboards and send them back to the United States so we can sell them $5 cheaper. It is the stupidest thing imaginable because companies knew that Chinese peasant labor was cheaper and they didn't want to pay American workers so they exported all of these products in the stupidest way. It's actually more expensive to do with a laborer's dirt cheap. The idea that we're going to import bauxite, I'm sorry, that Canada imports it, so it goes to Canada, then gets refined, then sent to us. It's stupid. So maybe if the US builds its own refineries, mines in Arkansas where it can, and imports the rest directly from the miners in Guinea, Brazil, Australia or China, we will save money in the long run.

[Mark Grimes]

How long is that going to take for that?

[Tim Pool]

10 to 15 years.

[Mark Grimes]

10 to 15 years. So in 10 to 15 years. And listen, we probably are probably too reliant on the United States States. But you know, but that's 10 to 15 years out. What are you doing right now?

[Tim Pool]

I'm a, I'm a long term investment kind of person.

[Mark Grimes]

People in the US it's indeed the people, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yep. And this will. How insane is it that Canada imports bauxite, then, then the US imports from Canada instead of us importing directly. And so this argument that tariffs are attacks on the people is. I'm sorry, it's a meaningless statement. The issue is free trade has been detrimental to the self sufficiency of every nation that's engaged in it. And now we are wasting a ridiculous amount of fossil fuel energy to ship all of this garbage all over the world for no reason other than creating dependencies. I'm opposed to that. I think we should have our own steel plants, our own aluminum plants. I think that we should have our own skateboard factories and we should be built, we should have things inside the United States so we can be self sufficient. The point of the tariffs is to say if you want this product made by Chinese peasants or from Brazil or whatever, it's going to be more expensive than if people in the United States do it. And so if people want to buy their TEMU products, by all means face your tariff or what will happen in the short term is a lot of new investment into new factories in the United states and within 10 to 15 years we could replace Canada as the producer of aluminum for the United States. We don't need them.

[Mark Grimes]

Let's go some time. Indeed.

[Tim Pool]

And I don't care how long it takes. I don't see an argument for being dependent and forced into negotiations with another country. Especially when you've got Canada in, what was it was Ontario, where they're running these commercials attacking Trump and Reagan, using Reagan. I mean, it's offensive. We don't need it.

[Mark Grimes]

But Tim, like our politicians are playing to their base like your president's playing to his base. Like, you know, we just, they just can't roll over and say, oh yeah, you know, Trump, it's. Canada's the same.

[Tim Pool]

I tell you this.

[Mark Grimes]

Half, half, half the people like Trump, half the people don't like Trump. But our politicians are our premier, which is our gar, Doug Ford. There's no one wants to have a deal more than him. But so listen back and take, take it, right? If you're, if we shouldn't be treated that way, we shouldn't be treated that way. We shouldn't have to put those freaking commercials on the World Series.

[Tim Pool]

Why did, why did that. I mean, that's. Imagine you want a book deal or you want a record label deal, or you want to get signed by professional sports team. So instead of going there and saying, I will be the best guy you've ever signed. I will work twice as hard for you. Trust me, I want this deal and I will do whatever it takes. Imagine if instead of doing that to get signed by like an NBA team, you put a bunch of billboards saying, F these guys, F those guys. And we signed on.

[Mark Grimes]

We've been to Washington on many. Our prime minister was down there, the former prime minister. Our teams have been down to Washington. I know a personal friend as a member of Parliament. He's been to Washington. There's been many meetings in Washington. I'm saying if we're screwing on the tariffs, let's sit down, let's negotiate it. But don't can like it's some piece of shit off the street because we're not. We've had a long standing friendship relation through many wars. Canadians didn't get drafted like you guys get drafted here. We. Korean War, the Afghan war. You talk about Libya, we're on that. We've, we've been there for you. We've, we've, we've been with you guys all along. So you know what, if we're screwing you on the tariff, let's negotiate it. But don't treat can like some piece of shit off the street because there's a lot of stuff. There's three million Canadians in Florida, right? And we, I have Many friends here, United States. And it said it's, you know, you.

[Tim Pool]

Know what I do. I agree with you. I would never treat someone that way in business. I would simply shake, shake your hand and say, deals are off. All trade is canceled. Thank you for your time. Have a nice day. I wish you the best. Good luck with your aluminum factories.

[Mark Grimes]

Listen, I'm not just talking about loon, but that's going to take.

[Tim Pool]

I know. Peanut butter.

[Mark Grimes]

So listen, let's have the conversation. But just, you know, the way it's going down now, it's not right. And you know, we want a deal, but it's like pushing on a string right now.

[Ian Crossland]

So it seems bizarre that there would be even an inkling of hostility between these two countries. They're the ultimate partners on earth. Like more close than England and England and the United States.

[Mark Grimes]

We fought side by side in many wars with you guys. And I said, you know, gander Newfoundland, when 911 went down, they put all the planes down. Gander neutral had 10,000 people. We took 6,000Americans and they brought them in people's homes.

[Tim Pool]

I don't, I don't, I don't think.

[Mark Grimes]

Friends, like we're, we're friends, right?

[Tim Pool]

And that's fine. I don't think Canada should be in a position where they're, they want these trade deals either.

[Ian Crossland]

What do you think about it?

[Mark Grimes]

We're probably to blame too. We've probably been too reliant on the United States and I'm the first guy to admit that. But. Yep, let's sit down now and figure it out. But you know, what do you think about.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd rather talk about terrorists. I just want to ask you about greater unification between Canada and the United States. I don't like seeing Canada having a king like the king of England.

[Tim Pool]

King.

[Ian Crossland]

What's his name?

[Tim Pool]

Charles.

[Mark Grimes]

It's symbolic. It's. It's, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, technically he can get parliament.

[Mark Grimes]

That's.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean he's the king of Canada. It's fucked up that there's a king.

[Mark Grimes]

Oh, it's.

[Phil Labonte]

You got to, you got a one track mind you.

[Ian Crossland]

I just, they are our allies.

[Tim Pool]

They're like our. Hold on, hold on.

[Mark Grimes]

Bolic thing. It's.

[Tim Pool]

King Charles gave back Canada.

[Mark Grimes]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He gave it back.

[Ian Crossland]

To who?

[Tim Pool]

To the. What is it the honesty. She. She big or shabby on a Shabbat and the, the Algonquin on a Shabbat.

[Mark Grimes]

That's not even.

[Tim Pool]

He gave it back.

[Mark Grimes]

It's just symbolic. It's not even. It's.

[Ian Crossland]

But it's Literal. He's the king of Canada.

[Mark Grimes]

No, he's not.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, literally king of Canada.

[Tim Pool]

He is literally the king.

[Mark Grimes]

It's a symbolic thing. That's not even. That's not even here.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel like people are. Canadians are tricked into saying that and Australians are tricked into saying that. But he could get rid of your.

[Mark Grimes]

No, never happening. Just like, we're not going to be the 51st state. But like I said, let's sit down and talk. Well, I guess.

[Tim Pool]

Is there a. Are there articles in the Canadian government that would allow King Charles to disband its parliament?

[Mark Grimes]

No, I don't believe there are.

[Phil Labonte]

There are.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not into the question of the question. There are. That's quite literally what Charles is King of Canada. And that's a different. That's a different argument.

[Mark Grimes]

Again, there's another country. England and Canada are great friends, right? Like all three. England, Canada, us, always together. Wherever we go in the world, we're the first guys behind you. And like I said, there's a lot.

[Tim Pool]

I do think it's wild to be like, we do have a king, but he doesn't tell us what to do. But you have a king.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, he's buddies with the World Economic Forum. And like, where was he during COVID Like, where is he to stop the street riots in England right now? Like, haven't you're supposed to your best friends to the north? But if you're going to subserve to some king, like, fuck that. No, we need allies. We need independent allies.

[Phil Labonte]

Keep asserting this.

[Tim Pool]

I agree with Ian. I actually think King Charles is a Davos W E F guy. That's why the UK and his mom and his family has imported the third World just endlessly. And why they lock up anyone who dares speak out. Because you have a king and that's his ideology. And I talk to people from the UK and they say, oh, yeah, King Charles is totally on board with Islam and bringing these people in. And then you look at Canada and they're very much doing the same thing. And so I'm like, is it a coincidence that your king wants it and it's happening? It's crazy to be like, no, no, no. The king has no control, despite the fact we are doing exactly what he wants.

[Mark Grimes]

No, no, that's not happening. Not happening.

[Tim Pool]

Well, anyway, it is happening. The question is he making it happen?

[Mark Grimes]

Canada, U.S. relations should be, you know, not the way it's going now. And I tell you, like I said, a lot of these border towns. Buffalo, Lewiston.

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[Mark Grimes]

Go right across this, this country, this border. They rely on the Canadians that come over. They come over. Canadians are over there every weekend, every, you know, the tourism dollars that Canadians.

[Tim Pool]

Pilot, they're basically the same cities on both sides.

[Mark Grimes]

Exactly. And then they rely on us.

[Tim Pool]

And the same is true for falls.

[Mark Grimes]

It's, they're, they have all the outlet malls there.

[Ian Crossland]

They're dying. The Canadian side's better.

[Tim Pool]

The same is true for the southern border.

[Ian Crossland]

The Canadian side of Niagara Falls is better.

[Tim Pool]

There are cities that form on both sides in the US and Mexico, in the US and Canada. But that's different. As to the general tariffs and what the US is doing with trade, I think that for too long we've outsourced all our jobs and heavily relied on the petrodollar and we've created a fat lazy generation and there's no kids.

[Mark Grimes]

I don't disagree with you.

[Tim Pool]

So what we need to do is I think the US shouldn't be able to rely on Chinese peasants or cheap products from Canada, Mexico or otherwise. Because we now have, we have two phenomenon. We have a fat, lazy, entitled millennial generation and a near non existent alpha generation. Gen Z somewhere in between. Gen Xers are doing all right. Boomers, they got their issues.

[Mark Grimes]

But.

[Tim Pool]

Here'S my prediction. My prediction is, you know, all these people right now are arg, let's do this Actually, let's do this. Let's jump to the story. We got this from the New York Post Heritage foundation in revolt over Tucker Carlson defense after controversial Nick Fuentes interview footsie with literal Nazis apparently I think they're like reassigning one of these guys. They say internal chats review of the Post show high ranking members of the Heritage foundation told each other privately how embarrassed and disgusted they were by Kevin Roberts ridiculous decision to come to Carlson's defense over the sit down with Fuentes who has expressed anti Semitic views and denied the Holocaust happen. I'm disgusted by this and don't understand how this premeditated and orchestrated response could come out of one of the biggest think tanks in the world. One wrote. Well I'm going to tell you this, I think I was talking to some older guys, I'll put it this way. And this old Boomer guy, I said if you ever heard of the phrase zoomer waffen.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I haven't heard of that one yet.

[Phil Labonte]

Phil the other night.

[Tim Pool]

Do you want to explain Zoomerwaffen?

[Phil Labonte]

Zoomerwaffen is the, the young people that are very close to what you would consider fascist. They believe that there should be a strong government. They're right wingers. A lot of them believe that they, they want to see only white Europeans allowed to migrate into the US they want to deport people that are basically not what they would consider real Americans.

[Tim Pool]

They're basically the growing faction of groipers. Yeah, gripers, white nationalists or otherwise. And it's a large faction of the young male gen Z population and some female and I think that's the direction it's going. Cuz I, I, I, a lot of the younger guys I meet are Fuentes fans. Yeah, a lot of the younger guys. I'm not suggesting that he's the most popular or most prominent or anything like that but when I meet younger political guys, they like Nick Fuentes and they're wrong about a lot of things. But the reason why is we've been lied to. We know we've been lied to and no one is offering up a rebuttal without trying to lie more. So what happens is Nick Fuentes goes on Tucker Carlson's show and they start screaming all of these things to try and get him banned. He pops up on Spotify, they ban him, they ban him from YouTube. Young people are sick and tired of being lied to and if no one's offering up a real arguments against Nick Fuentes then young people are going to assume he must be correct. Cuz no One else will tell them the truth. I'm not saying Nick is telling the truth. I'm saying if Nick says X, and instead of arguing that the media says ban him for saying it, they go, wow, it must be true.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they call it Holocaust denial. It used to be called Holocaust revisionism because people were like, well, let's, like, look at the data and see if they were wrong about any of the numbers. And I heard this interesting concept that the Allies, when they were finishing World War II and they were doing bombing runs in Germany, blowing up roads, blowing up train stations, they didn't know their camps yet. They blew up the transport and the Germans couldn't get food into the camps anymore. And so for weeks, these people started starving. And then the Allies rolled in. And that aspect of it is very touchy for the Allies. It's not just normal war shit.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. That subject is not touchy. It's a literal fact of war. We know about the bombing of Dresden. And the issue is, why were those people in campsian. Well, yeah, why were they in the camps in the first place?

[Ian Crossland]

You can talk about the German, you know, settlement about what?

[Tim Pool]

So, you know, I'm not here to talk about World War II. My point is young people are looking at this. We're just talking a moment ago about tariffs and aluminum in Canada. So young people are going, why can't I get a job? And what do they see? Well, we shut down our processing plants for steel, and now we're importing from China for slave labor. And they're going, so I could have worked in a steel mill like my grandpa did, but instead they shut it down and now they're importing from China, which is more expensive to do, but they don't got to pay Chinese labor. That's why I can't have a job. Yes. What about aluminum refining? We get it from. From Canada. Where's the aluminum come from? Guinea, Brazil? And they go, why don't we do it here? Nah, we're going to do it. We're going to outsource it anyway. So these young people get pissed off and they say, I can't have a family, I can't buy a house, I can't get a job. We've outsourced all these jobs. Then Trump comes and says, I'm going to put tariffs on these countries so that this forces American industry to start rebuilding in America. And these young guys go, thank you, Donald Trump, for finally sticking up for me.

[Ian Crossland]

So is what the downside is that Corporations will be like, I can't handle the tariffs here anymore. I'm out. I'm going to.

[Tim Pool]

It's not going to happen. A market is a market. So people try to come up with all these stupid arguments. If you sell a product in China, you adhere to Chinese rules. Google, for instance, was trying to create a search engine and they said, censor a bunch of stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

Dragon something. I think. I think, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they ultimately, I think, did roll out their censored search. Movie. Movie industry says, we want to put movies in China. You got to censor certain things. And they do. If Donald Trump says, we are going to have tariffs on imports, then what happens? Honda will build a factory in the United States and employ Americans to work on these cars to avoid paying the tariffs. Then American young people get those jobs, and we start to rebuild our community, our culture, and our industry. Instead, you've got people arguing in favor of continued extraction of the American economy and culture. One of the examples I'll give with Nick Fuentes is one I've given before, where he's got a viral, Viral clip with probably tens of millions of views where he says he doesn't want to live near black people. And he says it's not because he's a problem with individual black people. He's actually, and this is funny, a lot of people know this. He said, what did he say? Racism is low IQ or something like that? So, yeah, something like that. And he said, the issue is those communities, the crime rates. Everybody knows they don't want to live next to black people, and they're lying. Now, here's the thing. All these young white guys will look at the crime rates. They'll look at their own neighborhoods and they'll be like, yep, tends to be a lot of young black men committing a lot of the crime. You bring it up on social media, you get banned, you advocate for it, and every liberal, every Democrat's gonna give you a justification and a lie and an excuse, even though these same liberals sell their property when black families move in. So what do they do? They say, wow, Nick's the only one telling the truth. He must be right about everything else as well.

[Ian Crossland]

Nick, I think he's falling short on that argument, if that's an actual argument he made. I think it's poverty that drives crime and that these people are destroyed doesn't drive crime.

[Phil Labonte]

Crime drives problem.

[Tim Pool]

And the response Nick has for you is, explain Appalachia. Yeah, the poorest place in the country and a lower than average crime. Nice try.

[Ian Crossland]

And, well, they're all on opiates. What do you want? Because they're too drugged up to. They live super far away from each other.

[Tim Pool]

Actually Ian, opiate usage is way higher in the Chicago black communities than in Appalachia.

[Ian Crossland]

There's no crime in Appalachia because they live up the hill. No one wants to walk up there.

[Tim Pool]

No, we're talking about the cities.

[Ian Crossland]

What?

[Tim Pool]

We're talking about cities of 30,000, 40,000 people. Crime is low.

[Ian Crossland]

Those are very small cities. If you're talking about Detroit or like it's these people are disappeared then how.

[Tim Pool]

Come in Chicago in the wider areas there's lower crime because the last 150.

[Ian Crossland]

Years people all answer.

[Tim Pool]

You are doing exactly, exactly, exactly what I'm saying.

[Ian Crossland]

No, in this iteration of slavery in history it was the black people from Africa got enslaved by the white people. A thousand years ago was the Carthaginian 2000 years, the Carthaginians enslaved by the Romans. They had white skinned slaves that time. This time it was those people, their descendants 100 years later don't have the nutrition because they were slave descendants.

[Tim Pool]

My exact point, my exact point was.

[Ian Crossland]

That it's not their skin color that's doing it. I'm saying it's.

[Tim Pool]

And, and I would agree, I would agree. But skin color does create the first impression. Racism does exist. And the bigger issue I argue is culture and community. Which is why Hyde park is safe and luxurious and black. And LeClaire Courts is black but also impoverished, dangerous and gang infested. The point is your equivocation and your desperate attempt to try and downplay the obvious reality of young black men committed disproportionate amount of the crime results in these 20 year old white dudes being like Ian's lying. Well if and they're going to go watch Nick Fuentes.

[Ian Crossland]

150 years ago a bunch of white people were enslaved and brought over here by a big black, very wealthy black oligarchy. You better believe right now it'd be a bunch of dumb white people committing crime. You're not arguing because they're descendants of.

[Tim Pool]

Slaves without the nutrition education, young people, why in a city like Chicago, the white areas have low crime, in the black areas have high crime.

[Ian Crossland]

Telling you because the of the descendants of the slaves which happen to be mostly black, their kids didn't have education, they didn't have money, they didn't have nutrition. So they didn't have the brain matter to do creative get out of the crime worlds. And so they're stuck. Not everybody, but a lot of People from that culture are residually stuck due to the slavery.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's racist and wrong. No, no, I think it's racist culture.

[Ian Crossland]

Skin color and culture that's causing.

[Tim Pool]

It's not racist to mention that culture is a reason for why there's crime.

[Phil Labonte]

And it's not their skin color that's causing it.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no. You could argue that certain cultures are. Are more likely to commit crimes in other cultures. Like if. If you took me, who's a free speech advocate, and sent me to Saudi Arabia, you better believe I talk shit about the king and that's a crime over there, I'd be a criminal. But, like, what the fuck? That's my culture.

[Tim Pool]

But, you know, regardless of the debate, this is my point. You have said nothing.

[Ian Crossland]

I said the reason that.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Don't just keep saying the same thing over and over again. Let me finish my point. To a young person who grows up in these suburbs and sees white liberals being racist and then publicly lying about why they actually don't want to live in these neighborhoods. These people are going to go follow scientists.

[Ian Crossland]

They're going to what? Oh, go listen to Nick. Well, there are hypocrites, for sure. There's people that.

[Tim Pool]

You go into the suburbs of Chicago, you go into the white neighborhoods, and everyone will say under their breath bad things about the black areas while publicly acting like the poor. Black communities are oppressed and it's not their fault they're committing crimes. Nick will then, in the suburbs of Chicago, say the exact opposite and say it's because they commit crimes and they're criminals. And the young people go, everybody says it, but no one says it publicly except Nick. And then when Nick comes out and praises Hitler, they say he must be telling the truth because you won't have a real conversation about what's going on in Chicago. That's my problem with all the people attacking Tucker Carlson, all of these people. It's laughable because it's one issue that they're with.

[Phil Labonte]

Obsessed.

[Tim Pool]

Obsessed with Israel. And. But of course, Nick also has his issues with Israel, but the pro Israel people are attacking Tucker and Nick and Candace specifically over Israel while ignoring their other positions on other issues and why young people want to follow them. So maybe I was Talking with Gavin McInnes, who I said, he's a Zionist. He's pro Israel. And he was like, ah. He said he loves Nick. He's like, talks to him all the time. And. And I said, right, Gavin, you're not the person I'm talking about. He's like, maybe I'm one of these pro Israel people. I was like, no, no, no. The fact that you're willing to have your argument and express why you support Israel and why you're pro Israel with someone like Nick is actually how we alleviate the pressure. The problem is young people are getting screwed over and there's too many institutional politicians lying to them for political power and they're sick of being lied to. The problem then is Nick is wrong about quite a bit. But he's, he's saying loud what a lot of people are unwilling to say and so it's convincing them that he must be right about everything else.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he's got a genuine. Even if he's wrong, sometimes he'll say, I mean I've seen him, sometimes he'll smile when he talks and I can tell he's pulling one over on people. But he is genuine often. And whether he's right or wrong, people are drawn to genuine beliefs because at least you can challenge it and they're not going to lie to you about it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, when someone says they like Hitler, you, you, you're probably like, he's probably telling me what he actually thinks because who would ever admit.

[Ian Crossland]

And he's giving me like 1/50 of the, of the statement there. Like, what do you mean? I want to know what do you mean when you say something like that? What do you like about him that he was able to rally 100 million people? Like, I think, I guess I'm not saying he's a good guy.

[Tim Pool]

I think that what we're going to see is young people moving to the further, further. I don't know, I don't know. Far right makes sense. It's it. Far right is a term created by leftists to smear people of various disparate ideologies. A, a, a governmental, a command economy with racial identitarianism is not far right because depending on the race they'll call it left or right. Like ADL calls left identity. I'm sorry, black identitarianism, left wing. I'm like, what is left wing about that? It's not progressive, it's regressive. And what is their economic or cultural standpoint? It's just identitarianism. Well, race identitarianism is regressive, so I don't, I wouldn't call it far right. Woke right is a stupid made up garbage term by same thing, leftists and liberals trying to smear people on the right. But I think you're going to find a, a I guess I would describe it as white identitarianism among young people because they're sick of being attacked for being white and they're sick of being lied to by an establishment as to the cause of these, of the. Of crime in this country. Additionally, one thing that's really going viral right now are these DOJ documents that show black and Latino people listed as white people in the crime stats. This is what these, these manipulations and lies.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Should not happen. And, and it's going to drive people to someone like Nick. And Hitler was not a good dude nor was he cool in any way a genocidal maniac. But they lie about so much they're making it easy for someone like Nick to build a follow.

[Ian Crossland]

That's a big problem. If acknowledging the crime stats and say there's a disproportionate amount of crime coming out of the black communities is different than saying because they're black they're causing crime. That is not the same thing.

[Tim Pool]

And you need to be able to. He said that's not to blame individual black people. However the issue is liberals won't admit it but look at the property values in their cities and the property values drop the less white an area becomes. And these are liberals in cities that vote Democrat. Everybody knows they're lying about what they actually think. That's the issue. And now you can talk about all of the reasons why there's crime or whatever your argument might be but this is people are sick of being lied to.

[Ian Crossland]

I like talking about race realism. I don't know if that's the right term. People like you said the words but like I love talking about the differences in genetics because then you can actually have normal conversations not for freak people out and make them run towards the next.

[Tim Pool]

Not allowed to point out that black people are more. More are predisposed to sickle cell anemia.

[Ian Crossland]

Like they're. I don't know if all the time they're taller. Why is. How many people in the NBA are black versus white? 85% 90. I don't know what the taller larger bodies more muscular genetically. Maybe because they had to hunt by foot longer 10,000 years ago. I don't know. But it's interesting and they're all important.

[Tim Pool]

Thing to understand is that.

[Mark Grimes]

That the.

[Tim Pool]

The question of skin color is the problem because when we talk about race people often whittle it down to skin color. But then you end up with someone calling Elad. What do they call him? Indian. Yeah, a lot. Sean called them that. Right. Was Indian And I'll say this. Somalis are short and Haitians are tall.

[Mark Grimes]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like, just because they have dark skin doesn't make them the same thing. That's. That's the problem with racism, is that people will say white people, black people, Hispanics or whatever. And you're like, man, you could have a problem with Irish people, but, like, the French, you could have. You could love Haitians and not, like, Sudanese or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, Myron Gaines talks a bit about this because he's literally black, but in the United States, they say he's not black because he's Sudanese in America. So despite the fact he's literally African, they're like, that's not what it means to be black. So that's the problem with, like, racism and whatever you want to call it, man.

[Ian Crossland]

I saw the Tibetan fox. Have you ever seen the Tibetan fox? You should pull up a picture. He looks like an Asian guy. Like, he has the eyes, the cut eyes. I'm like, okay, they evolved this over time because the heavy winds, bro. I think it's the heavy winds.

[Tim Pool]

Don't be so racist. Look at him.

[Ian Crossland]

Doesn't he look like an Asian dude? The Tibetan fox. So he cuts his eyes against the wind. I think that's where the evolution of the differences in hominids comes from, is the terrain. Like, high beating sun. In the equatorial Africa, your skin gets darker every day and darker and darker and darker. And then your kids are just born with the darker skin and the Asian people. And then look at his eyes. He's definitely cutting the wind. The Tibetan fox. He's definitely Tibetan.

[Phil Labonte]

No, he's just dubious of what you're talking about.

[Tim Pool]

He doesn't.

[Phil Labonte]

He's not. He's not buying it. Is that why, like, I'm not believing this at the wisdom in his eyes.

[Ian Crossland]

He's Asian. He must be wise. No, I'm just kidding. I just love talking about the differences, man, because there's value in it, if you can.

[Tim Pool]

Kind of the reason Asians have. It's called the epicanthic fold. It's about protection from cold, wind, dust, and UV light in harsh ancestral environments. You are probably correct as to why the fox also has the. The.

[Ian Crossland]

The.

[Phil Labonte]

The dubious.

[Tim Pool]

The. The apparent eye look.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, people with, like, webbed feet that can swim in the Southeast Pacific. You know those Pacific Islanders, what, they can hold their breath for, like, eight minutes underwater?

[Tim Pool]

I love it. I love it. This is actually kind of funny. Ian, you're a genius. I asked Grok, is that why the Tibetan Fox has the same eyes and he goes yes, exactly. The Tibetan sand fox lives in the same freezing, wind blasted Tibetan plateau as the people who evolved the epicanthic fold. Narrow almond shaped eyes and identical adaptation.

[Ian Crossland]

What's the name of the area where they were?

[Tim Pool]

The Tibetan Plateau.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, the Tibetan Plateau. Man, look at that.

[Tim Pool]

That's why the, and that's why, look at that. Less slow snow blindness. And let's see. Narrow, elongated, permanently half squinted because of high winds and UV from the, from the snow.

[Ian Crossland]

Now that will help in Mars.

[Phil Labonte]

Why it goes all the way like, it goes all the way into like people that are from Hungary have a bit of that in there.

[Mark Grimes]

Getting back to crime, I want to talk about the crime and you know, and, and what we're doing in Toronto too is it's how these cities have been planned too. You got segregation, you pick any US city, kind of cross the tracks, you know, you know how we plan by choice though.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry, the like Chicago segregation was by choice.

[Mark Grimes]

Well I know but now we're planning new cities. You look into the growth that's happening in Toronto. We're now putting in mixed use neighborhoods, right? So everything, it's mixed use. You have to mix it in. You just can't have that race over here, that race over there that you got to mix it in. And my kids, I have five kids and I picked them up from school. Kids would come to after, after school, come to my home and I couldn't pronounce after names but my kids didn't see that. Racist, you know, that's Rafi and this is Jahaf and my kids didn't even see that. That's, that Toronto, that was multicultural city in the world and they don't see that. So how these cities are planned also as we move forward is how it's.

[Tim Pool]

You know, so I, I, I, I challenge you on that notion. I think that's a marketing thing that Toronto came up with because what does it actually mean to be the most multicultural?

[Mark Grimes]

Oh, we have like you said you want to come to Toronto. I'm just saying that every, every race is there, right? It's like every food I think New.

[Tim Pool]

York is less as more diverse are probably the same.

[Mark Grimes]

I don't, you know, I'm going to split hair stim on this. But like I said, you want to come and have Somalian food, you want to have Ethiopian food, you want Chinese food, you want Thai food, it's there, right? And it's, and you know, people come, they immigrate to Canada and we like, we try to spread them out through the country. So let's send these people to Winnipeg. Let's send these people over scope. But they all want to come to Toronto because all the communities are here. We have, you know, we have China.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to go to your chats and rants right now. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone. You rumble uncensored portion of the show. I got one for you. You're really going to enjoy it and I recommend you come for it. But it's going to be too naughty for YouTube.

[Ian Crossland]

You say come for it?

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. So make sure you go to rumble.com timcast IRL to watch the uncensored portion of the show. And we're going to talk about, as Ian called it, race realism. Oh, thank you, dude. But we got a great sponsor for all of you. It IS Tax Network USA. My friends. Head over to tnusa.com do you owe back taxes or tax return? Tax returns still unfiled? Did you forget to file for an extension? Time is running out. If you haven't gathered all your document documents or made any estimated payments, you could soon be targeted by the irs. They can garnish your wages, freeze your bank accounts or even seize your property. But there's help available. Tax Network USA, a nationwide tax firm, has helped taxpayers save over $1 billion in tax debt. They filed hundreds of thousands of tax returns and assisted thousands in reducing their tax burdens. And they can help you, too. Don't wait. Visit tnusa.com tim or call 1-800-958-1000 for a 100% free consultation. In one short call, the experts at Tax Network USA will guide you through some simple questions. Determine how much you can save. Take action now before it's too late. Visit tnusa.com tim or call 1-800-958-1000. But for now, let's grab those rumble rants and super chats. We got zombie dude who says I got married Sunday. Next time I hope to be announcing a baby. Stay tuned. Congratulations.

[Ian Crossland]

Work, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Shinich Walder says everybody is happy to have Phil back. The commies were driving slow in the left lane in his absence. Congratulations again, brother.

[Phil Labonte]

Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

[Tim Pool]

It was getting bad, Phil. Getting bad.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, someone, someone needs to police those communists in the left lane.

[Ian Crossland]

You should have heard me talking about communism last week. People are like, where's Phil?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he was defending it.

[Phil Labonte]

Why are you defending it?

[Ian Crossland]

What do you say? I'm steel manning the opposition. That's all.

[Mark Grimes]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Jay Berdharn says welcome back, Phil. Congratulations on the baby. Just had my second grandson this past week.

[Phil Labonte]

Congratulations, and thank you very much.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely. Money. Money shot says Tim. Illinois passed at least 13 new taxes statewide to pay for stuff in Chicago. That means Southern Illinois will be paying for public things in Chicago. Get out while you can. Here in West Virginia, we have bad taxes, but it's because it used to be a Democrat state, and now it's turned into a Republican state. Only recently. And I have had my conversations with the politicians, and they are trying to fix the tax problems in West Virginia. One of the great things is that the former governor wanted to eliminate the income tax of West Virginia, which would. The smartest thing they could do. Eliminate personal income tax in West Virginia. And you will. This state will generate an insane amount of money. You are going to instantly get every single wealthy person in the D.C. area, Maryland and Virginia, they will move into West Virginia and start developing like crazy. The tax revenue will be off the charts. Excuse me. And the development would be amazing. So a lot of people in West Virginia don't want it. I say protect the heritage areas, Keep the. Keep the small town small, but develop where development can go. And eliminating income tax is a great idea, but guess what? It's the Democrats in the state that don't want to do it. Yep. All right. Rafa says, Tim, given your policy for running for public office, you sure you're not related to Jakob Smirnoff?

[Mark Grimes]

Well, the country.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, that guy, the comedian?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, of course. But what he's like, the policy of eliminating everything. And just like I said, if I were to actually run for office, I would. I would just say all of these really horrible things that would guarantee I never get elected. Social Security. Got to go. Don't care. What's that? But you paid into it, so you deserve it. Nope. Gone by don't care.

[Phil Labonte]

I've made similar commitments.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. This is why. You know, I'm actually. Maybe. Maybe at some point I should run for the presidency just so that I can say all of these things. And people will be like, I will never vote for that man. Run as a Republican and say. I'll say things like, church is good, and you definitely need to go. And we need a culture that prioritizes local community, if not church, something. But church is good, where people can come together and their community bonds together. And welfare is bad and shouldn't exist at all. And government subsidies shouldn't exist at all.

[Mark Grimes]

Oh, boy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The government. What? The government should do is be like a referee, but not be punitive. Taxes gone. Tax on gasoline gone. If you got a problem with your roads, your local community can figure out if you want roads or not. None of the federal government's business. Wars gone.

[Ian Crossland]

Sound like Javier Milei Affuela.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, he's amazing.

[Ian Crossland]

But some welfare is good. Don't you think some welfare is good?

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. But it should be done locally. And so local communities should figure out. I'm not opposed to. I like the idea that government can help incentivize development in certain areas through government itself. I'm not opposed to. I think some taxes are okay, but they should be dramatically reduced. I like the idea of. Is there something that people agree the federal government should do? Yes. Okay, then we should set that agency up. Not in D.C. but in an area that could utilize the development. And then we help grow an industry and we make new cities and things like this. And then every law should have a sunset clause. Every policy a sunset. Every executive order will sunset. If I was president and I should executive order, I would write this. Executive order will sunset in six years and no longer be enforced. Possible someone else can come in and add more to it after the fact. Anyway, enough of my hypothetical attacking of government. Well, actual attacking of government with high political presidential run. All right. Old Roy says, I like when Ian brings his perspective to the show. Don't always agree, but I find it makes for great animated discussions.

[Ian Crossland]

Thank you, old Roy.

[Tim Pool]

The clip from the show about. I think it's titled like Tim Schools Ian on communism. It's got like 200,000 something biased there, Tim. I didn't make it. Talk to Kellen about it.

[Ian Crossland]

It's an incessant, that's for sure.

[Tim Pool]

Well, nobody likes communism, so when you defend it or steel man it.

[Ian Crossland]

People have to steal man it. That's the only way. Yeah. You have to understand it.

[Phil Labonte]

You don't have to.

[Tim Pool]

I must. All right, let's go. We got Thinker for a life. He says, I see the NY race like this. A child asks their parents for a gun, but the parents keep saying, no, you'll shoot your eye out. Let the Dems shoot their eye out. They'll learn hard and turn to common sense. Nope. We see that in the Pacific Northwest, people just flee and they entrench their power. And Chicago, the same thing.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. They don't learn. There's no learning.

[Tim Pool]

They actually celebrate.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And then. And then when things don't work, they just say, well, we didn't do it hard enough. We didn't have enough socialism. We didn't do. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They say the corporation, like Venezuela. When you ask these socialists why Venezuela is failing, they say, because the capitalists are interfering.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, that's 100% true. You listen, you get into arguments on the Internet with any communists, and they just say, well, the CIA did it. The CIA is the reason that the Soviet Union didn't. Didn't, you know, didn't succeed. And if it isn't the CIA, then it was because Stalin wasn't actually a communist. So he. He was right wing. And it was. It was an authoritarian system. So it was. First it was the CIA, and then if it wasn't the CIA, then it was. Stalin wasn't good enough.

[Tim Pool]

Nine months ago, I told you I found out my girlfriend was pregnant. Tomorrow is her C section. Please pray for us. And thanks, Tim Cast and Discord for everything.

[Phil Labonte]

All right, man.

[Tim Pool]

Right on.

[Ian Crossland]

I was about to get my mom when I was pregnant. When my mother was pregnant with me, I was in there for, like, 18 hours, and she was struggling, and they were like, all right, we're gonna cut him out. And immediately turned around and then slid out when. When she heard that, it was like a signal to my body. Get out of there.

[Tim Pool]

We got a good one. D. Sage says I'm okay with invading Canada. After this pathetic attempt to save the Canadian economy. No, I. I got more death threats. Okay. So to be fair, after Charlie Kirk, I got the most. But up until that point, when I. I jokingly tweeted that we will invade Canada and be greeted as liberators, we are like. My wife was like, what did you do? Because, like, our email was just lit up with death threats. And I was like, what are they saying? They're like. They're saying, Canada will destroy you. And, like, you.

[Ian Crossland]

You.

[Tim Pool]

Like they were saying, you know what?

[Mark Grimes]

It's just. It's. I was at the Charlie Kirk Memorial. I went out there. I felt I had to be there. I got invited to go out, and I was out there. Like I said, there's so many things these two countries together like to come together on sport hockey.

[Tim Pool]

You know, we import a lot of your comedians.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Mark Grimes]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

Comedy. Yeah, the humor.

[Mark Grimes]

Yeah. Musicians.

[Tim Pool]

But, I mean, you know, Ryan Reynolds, Canadian.

[Mark Grimes]

Time to sit down and figure this out. Like I said, we are.

[Tim Pool]

He was pals.

[Mark Grimes]

We're gonna be pals for a very long time. But this, the way it's going now. It felt like not right.

[Ian Crossland]

It was a. A joke from Trump. He thought of as sort of an Innocent joke, get the ball rolling. But to, it's like if, if someone's like, you know, you might not have a job tomorrow. Like for the boss, it's haha, it's very funny. But for the person that is terrified they might actually lose their job, it's a big deal. It's not funny.

[Mark Grimes]

Oh, and we're buying billions off the. We're buying billions off you guys. We're buying like close to 400 billion every year back and forth. The trade's almost equal. We have the lcbo, the Liquor Control Board of Ontario, where you have to go to a store to buy, you know, liquor, vodka, bourbon, whatever. The Liquor Control Board of Ontario, the LCBO is the largest buyer of alcohol in the world. Our premier's taken all the US booze off the shelf. You don't think that's hurting the people? Like you can't get bourbon now in Canada. You don't think it's hurting all the people in California? All the California wine that comes into the country, all the bourbon that comes out of Kentucky into our country. It's senseless. We have to sit down. Close the door.

[Jeff Bridges]

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[Dana]

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Dana]

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[Mark Grimes]

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[Dana]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Jeff Bridges]

So what are we having for lunch?

[Dana]

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[Mark Grimes]

And negotiate this thing out. Like I said, it's. You know, we're. Like I said, Canada and you know, we had long standing relations. Agree with Tim. You know, let's get on our own feet. You guys do what you got to do. But that's, that's, that's years away. Right. That's years away before that's going to happen. But I said there's a tremendous amount of trade that goes back and forth that is beneficial to United States and to Canada. Right. But the way, you know, it's being portrayed up there, there's some long term outstanding ramifications. It's going to happen. Like you said, people are coming out of Florida not going. You don't think it's three million Canadians, you know, Desantis come out and said, oh, that's insignificant. Three million Canadians. Like, that's, that's just ludicrous. Why do you have to say, all right, right.

[Tim Pool]

We got David Brick and he says, Phil, from all of us watching tonight, welcome back and a very merry metal fatherhood.

[Phil Labonte]

Thank you very much. I appreciate the, the love.

[Ian Crossland]

What was the first song you played for your son?

[Phil Labonte]

I say Hammer Smashed Face by Cannibal Corpse. And that's not, I'm not kidding around.

[Mark Grimes]

You guys still ticked off that we beat you in the, in the four nations face off? Is that what you guys are still.

[Ian Crossland]

I didn't know what happened when we.

[Mark Grimes]

During the All Star break When Canada, U.S. we beat you in overtime.

[Ian Crossland]

I haven't watched sports in like six years. No, I don't, I'm not. I love Canada, man. I love Canada. I want to unify and make one great country. No, the problem is central.

[Mark Grimes]

You know what Canada looks like. You know, a lot of people look like there is no border. Border, right.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Mark Grimes]

And that's me. I looked like there was no border. I have a ton of friends across the world.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, you know, I strongly disagree.

[Mark Grimes]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

I've been to Canada a bunch of times and, and there's definitely a border.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I never could.

[Mark Grimes]

Why do you say that?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, the first time I tried to go to Canada, they, we had to get strip searched. So this is back in like 1990.

[Mark Grimes]

That's, that's six.

[Phil Labonte]

And they made us empty out our trailer and, and everything because they were afraid that, that we might have had marijuana, which we had no marijuana at all.

[Mark Grimes]

We were the first ones legal wise. Marijuana.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Which is why I was like, why is this.

[Mark Grimes]

That's, that's a problem.

[Phil Labonte]

Like I said, it's, you know, but.

[Mark Grimes]

I would love to be. No border. I mean, you know, but we don't look like there's a border. I have tons of friends that come to Canada, you know, Toronto, we're here all the time. I love it here.

[Ian Crossland]

You Know, it's just about maintaining decentralized autonomy because I wouldn't want like the American government to govern Canada, but if we could all have our states.

[Mark Grimes]

Yeah, it's never going to happen. United States, you know, like, it's, it's, it's, it's like, let's sit down and figure things out and get back to where we are. Like I said, Canada and us are better together. And I, I'll stand here and defend that to the end. But like I said, we probably relied way too much on the US And I think we've realized that. But again, there's a tremendous amount of trade that we buy off the US that come in. Like, it's almost, I think it's $360 billion a year that goes back and forth between the two countries. It's, it's, you know, we're your largest trading partner. It's, it's, it's, it's ludicrous.

[Ian Crossland]

Did you say your buddy is buddies with the pm?

[Mark Grimes]

So my good friend Doug Ford is our premier, which is like a governor to you. He's.

[Phil Labonte]

Are you friends with Doug Ford? That rules.

[Ian Crossland]

You guys talk about this?

[Mark Grimes]

Talked to him. I just talked to him. I talked to him this morning. I talked to him the other day.

[Ian Crossland]

But are you guys, like, how are we going to fix the. Like, how do we get.

[Mark Grimes]

He wants to have a deal, but it's like, push, let's read some more right now. He wants to have a deal. He wants to do a deal. He, he's good.

[Tim Pool]

Ian Slater says, respectfully, we don't need Canada for anything. We have to make things here. Canada is subject to ccp. What are we still dealing with? Why are we still dealing with backstabbers? Americans can avoid tariff tax by buying.

[Mark Grimes]

American need our hockey players. You need our hockey players for sure.

[Ian Crossland]

It's so much beautiful land too. And you think of it as geopolitical strategy. You don't want to make even remote. You don't even want your neighbor to the north to be neutral. You want them to be your ally.

[Mark Grimes]

Absolutely. We got the board up in the, across the Arctic. We, you know, together we're can am fortress. I mean, it's, it's, you know, there's so many similarities and friendships in both these countries. Right. I talk to people in the US Every day. Every day.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but if you say you, if.

[Phil Labonte]

You say you want a border, that.

[Tim Pool]

Means we have no border.

[Mark Grimes]

I'm saying the border comes across, you know. Well, that's what the president wants to be the 51st state, which is never going to happen. But I'm just saying it's. I don't look like there's a border. Right. But, you know, okay, how many?

[Tim Pool]

All right. Shadav says, to be honest, Tim, if the long game is to give a cassus belly for invading Canada, you should support the tariffs. If you tariff us, our treasonous PM will make massive security threats by bringing the Chinese in love to tim cast from B.C. i saw in. Was it in British Columbia they gave the land back to the Native Americans? You see that in Richmond, I think it was. There's a large swath of land, and a court ruled that because it was a fishing village 300 years ago, all of these homes are now subject to the jurisdiction of something of the Choctaw or something like that. Native Americans. So as far, you know, look, when I see stuff like that, I'm like, I gotta be honest. If that continues. And, you know, King Charles came in and said that Canada was the un. What did he say? The unceded land of the Anishibeg Algonquin. So it's like, okay, sounds like Canada doesn't want it anymore.

[Mark Grimes]

No.

[Tim Pool]

And we can just come in and take it anytime. Yeah, well, hold on, hold on. They did give the land back to the Native Americans already in British Columbia. So you say never, but it's happening already.

[Phil Labonte]

Anytime a person in a position of authority in a government, whether or not the king is. I. I think it's probably still up for debate. But anytime they say anything like that.

[Mark Grimes]

The king's not for debate. Yeah, he's over all of it.

[Phil Labonte]

It's a bad idea for anyone to make those kind of remarks. These land acknowledgments and stuff. It's a terrible idea to even play at the.

[Mark Grimes]

At.

[Tim Pool]

At.

[Phil Labonte]

At the idea that. That it's unseated land. Because then you're talking. You're calling into question the sovereignty of the government and you're calling into question whether or not the government's legitimate. It's a terrible idea.

[Mark Grimes]

Y.

[Tim Pool]

Let's grab one last point before we go to the uncensored portion of the show. The Canadian royalty, King Charles III as the head of state represents the date represented date, day to day by the Governor General, almost always acts on the advice of the elected prime minister. The last outright refusal of prime ministerial advice was 1926. The King Bing affair. The last time a viceroy withheld royal ascent was 1961. And the recent interventions, prorogation, suspense suspending Parliament. January 6, 2025.

[Ian Crossland]

Parliament was suspended in Canada.

[Tim Pool]

Pro Raw pro progation in January by.

[Mark Grimes]

Royal from the Governor. It's just symbolic. The king is symbolic off the King. Guys. The king has nothing.

[Tim Pool]

King Charles personally delivered the speech from the throne in Ottawa. They invited the first monarch to do since 87 guys.

[Mark Grimes]

It's symbolic. He's. The king has no like direct royalty.

[Tim Pool]

The last direct Royal Intervention was 1920.

[Mark Grimes]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

The last Royal Intervention was 1926.

[Ian Crossland]

And check Australia. It was like 1970. They had a big. They had a coup and they got rid of a Governor General because he wouldn't play ball with the royal.

[Tim Pool]

So in 2025, January six the Prime Minister agreed with the King. So they're arguing that it was not royal intervention as long as the. The Governor General agreed with it.

[Mark Grimes]

That was Trudeau.

[Tim Pool]

What as far as Governor General Mary Simon prorogued the 44th parliament.

[Mark Grimes]

Prime Minister Trudeau.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

The King will appoint the Governor General at the pleasure of the King. Is the. Is how they do it. And then the Governor General can disband Parliament. Basically he's like the attack dog for the King. He's like, I don't have anything.

[Tim Pool]

I think when like when the King says we should do this and they go, yes, we agree with you. So it's not an order of the King. We've done it. It's like arbitrary. Anyway, we're gonna do the uncensored portion of the show and it's gonna get pretty spicy. You guys are going to maybe not really enjoy it, I don't know. But we're gonna talk to you about science. So head over to rumble.com timcast IRL for that section of the show. You can join the Tim Cast Discord server by going to timcast.com and clicking join us and get involved because community is our strength. Together, tens of thousands of you help support this show and the work that we do. And you can call in as well as get access to the first Friday afternoon backstage pass as we've been experimenting with earlier recordings. And you get to watch on a wide angle camera the entire studio as we are setting up the show. A lot of good fun. Timcast.com youm can follow me on X and Instagram. Timcast Mark, do you want to shout anything out?

[Mark Grimes]

No, I'm good my friend. I'm just very happy to be here. Thanks for inviting me down and hopefully some good discussion here today. But again there's nothing more than I want to see. And the country Canada. The US and Canada get their relations back together the way it should be and I just appreh have me on today.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Thanks for coming, man.

[Ian Crossland]

It's if mark underscore Grimes on X, people will follow you there. Coming man. And I'm at Ian Crossland, you guys. If you haven't been to the pre show on Discord, the Tim cast Discord. We are doing pre shows every day at 6:30 Eastern before we start to prep for this show and there's a different Tim cast member come in and hang out with the crowd. So get into the Tim cast Discord and Prep for your 6:30pm Eastern Standard Time shows in the Discord Tim cast channel. I'm at Ian Crossland. You find me on the Internet. IanCrosslin. Let me know what you think. See you later.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. You can check out the song that I did with the band Zillion. It's called Cannibals. It's available on Spotify. You can check out my band, all that remains on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you all [e-mail] TimCastirl in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out that.

[Mark Grimes]

SA.