Trump ENDS All DEI Departments, FIRES Staff, Deportation HAVE BEGUN w/Matt Walsh

Summary

Timcast IRL Podcast Summary
Episode: Trump ENDS All DEI Departments, FIRES Staff, Deportation HAVE BEGUN w/Matt Walsh
Release Date: January 23, 2025
Host: Timcast Media (Tim Pool)
Guests: Matt Walsh, Phil Labonte, Shane Cashman, Ian Crossland, Angela McArdle

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Introduction

In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool delves into the early actions of President Donald Trump’s administration, focusing on significant policy changes related to Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) programs, deportation efforts, and notable pardons. Joined by a panel of conservative voices, including Matt Walsh and members of the Libertarian Party, the discussion explores the ramifications of these policies on federal agencies, social media censorship, and broader societal impacts.

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Trump’s Early Actions: DEI Termination and Deportations

Tim Pool opens the discussion by highlighting Trump's swift move to dismantle DEI programs across federal agencies:

"[00:06] Tim Pool: Donald Trump has ended all of the DEI programs. He has nuked all of the, the diversity employees, the DEI employees in the federal government."

Pool criticizes the administration’s method, noting the rebranding efforts to obscure the termination:

“[00:06] Tim Pool: ...they're trying to rename and hide these staffers across federal agencies. I hope Trump is able to get through this and figure out, I mean, this is malevolent.”

The conversation shifts to deportation policies, emphasizing the DOJ’s intent to prosecute local officials who obstruct deportations:

“[03:29] Phil Labonte: ...Trump is undoubtedly taking this seriously. DOJ will investigate and prosecute any local officials who obstruct the deportation process.”

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DEI Rebranding and Legal Implications

The panel discusses the administration’s strategy to bypass the termination of DEI programs through renaming and relocating staff:

“[26:26] Phil Labonte: ...the left is very good at rebranding ideas... So you have to look out for that.”

Ian Crossland underscores the importance of codifying executive orders into law to prevent future reversals:

“[07:56] Ian Crossland: ...you need Congress to come in behind these executive orders and codify them into law so that it's not quite so easy to just wipe them out from existence.”

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Immigration Policies and Public Support

The episode delves into enhanced deportation measures, with a focus on mass deportations and their legal backing:

“[33:15] Phil Labonte: ...the Biden administration's enforcement of the FACE Act has been a tool for unjust persecution of pro-life activists...”

Tim Pool asserts the illegality of existing DEI practices and praises Trump's border security measures:

“[10:21] Tim Pool: It was the sheriff who was collecting all the taxes. And so in this, in this instance, what Ian is referring to is quite literally the government stealing from the poor to give to the highest income earners.”

Public sentiment is discussed, with evidence suggesting broad support for mass deportations:

“[42:26] Phil Labonte: 70%, which is... quite telling...”

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Social Media Censorship: The TikTok Controversy

A significant portion of the discussion centers on TikTok’s alleged censorship of pro-Palestinian content, perceived as ideological manipulation:

“[30:19] Ian Crossland: ...many believe there's a conspiracy that when Tick Tock went dark, Donald Trump took it over...”

Tim Pool criticizes TikTok’s algorithms for promoting certain political agendas and manipulating user content:

“[75:01] Tim Pool: ...for Trump and conservatives came out initially and said, we have to shut this down. They are attempting to swing the politics of the United States.”

The panel expresses concerns over TikTok’s foreign ownership and data security:

“[76:00] Tim Pool: ...the Chinese Communist Party is going to manipulate the algorithm and it's going to take our data.”

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Religion, Morality, and American Society

The conversation transitions to the role of religion and Judeo-Christian morals in shaping American laws and societal values:

“[55:00] Tim Pool: ...our notion of human rights in this country is built on the idea that there's a creator God...”

Phil Labonte emphasizes the historical influence of Christianity on Western civilization and American governance:

“[65:44] Phil Labonte: ...our system of government is built on Christian ideals... Every good thing that we have in our lives is really because people believed in the cross.”

Discussions highlight the decline in religiosity and its impact on societal morals, with guests advocating for a return to traditional values to restore societal cohesion.

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AI, Technology, and Future Concerns

The panel briefly touches on advancements in AI and technology, expressing apprehensions about their societal implications:

“[104:53] Tim Pool: ...what you're talking about is corruption and abuse and it's grown into just this, this monster.”

Matt Walsh warns of the potential for AI to create a divide between humans and technology-dependent cyborgs:

“[105:03] Matt Walsh: ...we will, if this continues, evolve into two different species.”

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Libertarian Perspectives and Legislative Actions

Ian Crossland and Angela McArdle advocate for Libertarian principles, emphasizing minimal government intervention and protection of individual rights:

“[111:05] Phil Labonte: ...anyone who has it should be shot on the spot. Oh, no, no, I don’t think it should be illegal. If you want to, if you want to consume cow feces, I think you should have the right to do so.”

The discussion includes potential legislative actions to enforce DEI terminations and enhance immigration enforcement, with a focus on leveraging federal authority to ensure policy compliance.

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Closing Remarks and Calls to Action

The episode concludes with the guests encouraging listeners to support their respective causes, emphasizing the importance of continued conservative activism and preservation of Libertarian ideals.

Tim Pool urges audience engagement through memberships and social media:

“[123:04] Tim Pool: ...smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. And become members.”

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Notable Quotes

• Tim Pool [00:06]: "Donald Trump has ended all of the DEI programs. He has nuked all of the diversity employees, the DEI employees in the federal government."
• Matt Walsh [09:54]: "They paid off my student loans. I didn’t ask. I didn’t sign up for anything."
• Phil Labonte [07:09]: "This is what you need. You need, you know, because the thing with executive orders... you have to install people who don’t recreate the Department."
• Ian Crossland [36:15]: "Everyone knows that if you put up a flag with a Christian cross on it or anything like that, the left would have had an absolute aneurysm."
• Angela McArdle [55:51]: "It’s likely that even pre-humans like Neanderthals and other species had religion as well."

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Conclusion

This episode of Timcast IRL provides a comprehensive analysis of President Trump's initial policy moves, particularly focusing on the termination of DEI programs and a renewed focus on immigration enforcement. Through robust discussions with conservative and Libertarian guests, the podcast explores the broader implications of these policies on federal agencies, societal values, and the future of American governance. The episode underscores the ongoing struggles between progressive rebranding efforts and conservative pushbacks, highlighting the critical need for legislative support to sustain significant administrative changes.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Donald Trump has ended all of the DI programs. He has nuked all of the, the diversity employees, the DEI employees in the federal government. Now, he hasn't fired them. I say nuked because they've been put on paid leave, which kind of irks me, but at least they're not there anymore. What we're seeing now is they're trying to rename and hide these staffers across federal agencies. I hope Trump is able to get through this and figure out, I mean, this is malevolent. There's one instance we have the tweet where post there's a chief diversity officer who gets renamed a senior officer because they're trying to protect people's jobs. And that is in defiance of executive order, which is insane. So we got that story, of course, and here's a big one. Deportations have begun, and the DOJ will investigate and prosecute any local officials who obstruct the deportation process. So a lot of stuff going on. We've got the layoffs at CNN. Everyone's laughing about that. And TikTok is reportedly banning Free Palestine. They're claiming they're not, but people are posting videos showing that they have. So maybe it's all just fake news, but we'll break all of this down. It is only the second day, and Donald Trump has done, I guess technically it's the third day. Donald Trump has done many things, anything so far, keeping his promise, of course. I talked about the pardoning of Ross Ulbricht the other day. So we'll get into all that stuff and we'll talk about how he is taking back the government. He's also rescinded the executive order creating the equal employment opportunity in federal government, which is crazy because it wasn't a law, it was an executive order. Before we get started, my friends, head over to cast brew.com and buy coffee. I'm willing to bet Ian's got no coffee left. Okay, Ian's graphene dream is 494 bags left. So I don't get it. Ian, you sold 5350 bags in a month. This time it's been about two weeks and you've sold 7, 1600 bags already of this coffee.

[Matt Walsh]

I think it's a quality product with good branding.

[Tim Pool]

Well, all right, that explains it. Go to cast brew.com buy coffee. We also have Phil's two weeks till Christmas.

[Angela McArdle]

Get it?

[Tim Pool]

He's dressed like Santa. And then, of course, if you go to boonieshq.com, my friends, it pains me to say, step on sneck and find out hasn't sold out yet. I know that should be a good thing. Good news for all of you because this is our top selling board. Step on snack and find out. But that means we restocked it and y'all haven't bought it fast enough.

[Phil Labonte]

So.

[Tim Pool]

I'm kidding. If you want to pick up your Step on Sneck and find out board, we do have them back in stock. The 28th Amendment boards are sold out, which is really cool that you guys bought all the chicken skateboards that we made because we. Look at that picture of that chicken. If you're not watching this on a video player, you're missing out because it's the greatest doodle of a chicken ever made. Shout out to Jessica. Also, don't Forget, go to timcast.com click join us. Become a member to support our work directly this week we've had three episodes of the Green Room, Uncensored Members only show. Yesterday's was kind of nuts with Dominic Tarchinski. He's a European Member of Parliament. He's from Poland. He's talking about what Poland does to keep their country safe. And I highly recommend it and you'll understand why it's uncensored. And today we sat down with Angela McArdle and talked about the parting of Russell Ulbricht, her meeting with Donald Trump. And we get into the, into the weeds on all of that stuff. And, and a bit about the Libertarian philosophy. So that'll be up today. At some point. Become a member to watch that. You'll also get access to our uncensored. I'm sorry, our Uncertain show Monday through Thursday, but also our Discord server. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. And joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Matt Walsh.

[Phil Labonte]

Good to be here. Good that I didn't have to trek through the wilderness to find you this time. So right down the street from us. I will say that I do have. I don't want to get into a big argument right off the bat, but your 28th amendment, I had declared a different 28th amendment. So we've got a bit of a comp. Mine was summary execution for people who ditched their shopping carts. So you've got the chicken thing. We got to figure that out.

[Angela McArdle]

Mine was just the, the shopping carts later. I totally agree with you about that. Society is better the more people that return their shopping carts.

[Phil Labonte]

I've been on, I've been on that for, for years.

[Angela McArdle]

I didn't know that the Aldi situation.

[Shane Cashman]

We put the quarter in the cart. You have to put it back.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. A functioning society does not need financial incentives.

[Phil Labonte]

I prefer punishment.

[Shane Cashman]

All right, I'm on board. I'm on board with it.

[Tim Pool]

So my 20th amendment is the right to keep and bear. Keep bear and breed chickens. So it's a bit more wholesome, but okay.

[Phil Labonte]

We.

[Tim Pool]

We'll have the debate. Angela McArdle's also hanging out.

[Ian Crossland]

Thanks for having me back.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Who are you? What do you do?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I'm the chair of the National Libertarian Party. The broker of deals. Freer of peoples.

[Tim Pool]

Freer of peoples. That's good. And you, you are largely responsible for the pardoning of Ross Ulbricht, which has every Libertarian throwing their hat in the air and cheering.

[Ian Crossland]

That is correct. Super excited about that. Still lobbying for a few other people, including Roger Ver.

[Tim Pool]

Right on.

[Angela McArdle]

Nice.

[Tim Pool]

That's. That's cool. Shane's hanging out.

[Phil Labonte]

What's up?

[Shane Cashman]

Congrats, Angela.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you.

[Shane Cashman]

That's amazing. We were in the room at the Libertarian Convention when he. When Trump made that promise. So awesome to see him fulfill it. I am Shane Cashman, author and host of Inverted World Live, every Sunday at 6. What's up?

[Matt Walsh]

Oh, I'm happy to see both you guys. It's Angela. Congrats on everything, man, since last I saw you and having the baby and everything. Rock and roll. And Matt, nice. I haven't seen you since the documentary and my racist went, so good to see you again.

[Phil Labonte]

Thank you. Appreciate it.

[Matt Walsh]

It was great. I haven't actually seen the documentary, but every time I see clips, I'm like, like, I loved Borat. I was crying in tears in the. In the theater.

[Tim Pool]

The fight scene is just so good.

[Matt Walsh]

I hear a lot.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Matt Walsh]

Anyway, but, Angela, what's your Twitter account? Because I'm about to tweet this out.

[Ian Crossland]

It's Angela 4 lnc.

[Tim Pool]

Chair.

[Matt Walsh]

Thank you. All right, Phil Labonte.

[Angela McArdle]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and the counter revolutionary.

[Tim Pool]

Let's go. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, the story from USA Today. Trump rolls back. DEI across the federal government is your workplace. Next. I love this because this has been the new narrative after Trump basically said all. All DEI employees, like, not like, if you are working in these departments, you are now on leave. Your office is hereby closed. And now the narrative has become, is he going to bring this to the private sector? I don't know that the president has the authority to do that. You know, Joe Biden famously tried to mandate vaccines for everybody. I think he was trying to go through OSHA or something. Was that what it was?

[Angela McArdle]

Osha?

[Tim Pool]

Trump, I think, may actually be able to do something on this very simply by instructing the, the appropriate law enforcement to enforce the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That is any private business that utilizes protected classes in their hiring will be in violation of the law. And that means DEI is de facto gone.

[Angela McArdle]

I mean, DEI is, is totally illegal. Like, if you look at the, the laws on the books, discriminating based on any, any immutable characteristic is illegal in the United States. The fact that it has, is a testament to the fact that, honestly, the left has been so powerful in the United States, even though they'll scream and cry about how they did, they're, they're marginalized, etc. That has been the, the status quo for the better part of two decades, probably the better part of, of the past 40 or 50 years.

[Ian Crossland]

California has it codified in state law, so it'll be very interesting to see what happens there. The battle of Trump v. Newsom.

[Phil Labonte]

This is what you need. You need, you know, because the thing with executive orders, of course, is, and the worry is that, I mean, they're great in this case, but then the next guy can come in, the next Democrat can come and just reverse everything just as quickly as is. As Trump is wiping out whatever Biden did, the same could happen to him. And that's why you need Congress to come in behind these executive orders and codify them into law so that it's not quite so easy to just wipe them out from existence. That could, and that can be done easily with this DEI stuff. And although it is to both your points, it is already very much illegal to do, to do this. This is racial profiling, racial discrimination. You could still have a. Could and should have a federal law that bans this explicitly on the basis that it's a human rights violation because you're discriminating against people based on their, based on their race.

[Tim Pool]

He got rid of affirmative action and contracting for the federal government too.

[Ian Crossland]

Good.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that stuff should be illegal.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's remarkable to me that in the 60s were like, hey, maybe we shouldn't have this discrimination stuff. And then shortly thereafter, they said, maybe we should bring it right back on top of the existing law banning it.

[Matt Walsh]

Thing about discrimination is you can, it's. Yeah, if you say people of that kind can't do this, that's discrimination. But also people of that kind. Get this. That's also discrimination. It's positive discrimination. So it goes both ways.

[Phil Labonte]

And I think it's. It's fascinating, too, because we. I mean, you were right that Trump has already done more in two or three days than Biden did in four years. But Trump has also arguably done more in two or three days than he himself did in four years in his first term. And the difference is. Well, there's. There's, of course, a lot has changed, and he's learned a lot from the first term. He's got a much better team. But the other thing, too, is that. And this was always the irony of him being labeled a dictator is that in his first term, he was the opposite of it. In fact, if anything, he had the opposite. He aired too much in the opposite direction in that he was very shy about wielding his executive power this time around. He realizes that, hey, I have this power. I can use it. And so I'm going to.

[Angela McArdle]

It was a. It was to the point where it was a meme. People were saying. People on the right were saying, please give us the Trump that the left swears that he is. Give us the authoritarian Trump that the left thinks he is.

[Tim Pool]

But when you say. You say Trump did more in two days than Biden did in his entire presidency, you know, the issue I take with that statement is that Biden was effectively rolling backwards in his wheelchair down a hill, and Trump is actually climbing the hill. You know what I mean? So I would argue Biden did a whole lot to damage and burn this country.

[Ian Crossland]

That's fair.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So Trump did more in two days to help the country. Joe Biden did literally nothing. What ATM fees was a proposal of his.

[Ian Crossland]

That was. There's got to be one nice thing, at least one nice.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, The ATM fees.

[Ian Crossland]

ATM fees?

[Matt Walsh]

You paid off my student loans. I didn't ask. I didn't sign up for anything. I just got some stupid check in the mail. You paid your loans for 20 years, so you get all your money back, and now you get to pay for it as a taxpayer. I mean, egregious.

[Ian Crossland]

Reversed.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. I didn't get that.

[Matt Walsh]

Y. I got. They turned to zero. Like, here, thanks for the 11 grand.

[Tim Pool]

That's not a nice thing.

[Matt Walsh]

No, it wasn't.

[Ian Crossland]

But, you know, it's like, not to everyone else.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't know how to rectify it.

[Tim Pool]

I. I think people need to understand that Robin Hood wasn't stealing from the rich to give to the poor. He was stealing from the Government.

[Angela McArdle]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

It was the sheriff who was collecting all the taxes. And so in this, in this instance, what, what Ian is referring to is quite literally the government stealing from the poor to give to the highest income earners.

[Matt Walsh]

Discussing.

[Angela McArdle]

If you want to, if you want to correct it, the IRS will accept money.

[Matt Walsh]

I just send them a chat.

[Angela McArdle]

You can just send them the.

[Matt Walsh]

Shane, on, on the Green show earlier, you were saying that Trump wouldn't post this. I've heard this sentiment online too, is that if he had gotten to be President 2020, he wouldn't have had this. Zell. He wouldn't have had this.

[Shane Cashman]

I saw Andy. No say that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

He had to go through the trials and tribulations of the last four years, I think, to get the Trump we got the last two days.

[Phil Labonte]

I think it's.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he wouldn't have had the same team behind him either. Yeah, or the Senate or the, or Congress. I mean, come on.

[Tim Pool]

It's almost as if he went through divine trials, yes, to earn and understand his place, narrowly avoiding death. But by the turn of his head, that made him a forceful president. And we've only seen a couple days.

[Shane Cashman]

That's why his portrait looks the way it does.

[Ian Crossland]

I think it's. I think it's a really good representation of the hero's journey. And I don't necessarily think that Donald Trump is coming in to save every single person in the country, but I do think he's coming to redeem the boomer generation. I think that's a big part of this, is he's like, we are going to fix a lot of the things that the boomers did direct the country.

[Tim Pool]

You know, what matters to me a lot is the pardoning of Ross Ulbricht. And I know for libertarians, it's largely about the core issues of the case. To me, those matter. But what makes me a bit more emotional here is that Donald Trump, of all the things he promised, the DEI firings, these people are in his way. Trump has an agenda. He wants to secure the border. He's got a mission that he believes in, and he's gonna fire these people. Not just because he promised to do it, but he promised to do it because these are people who obstructed him and wronged him. He already got the Libertarian vote. He already won. He's not running for office again. So what does he really benefit by taking the political risk of making this move to keep his word and pardon Russ Ulbricht? Well, he offered his word. And what I see for America is Barack Obama made Promises, promises not kept. War is expansion. George W. Bush wars and expansion and Joe Biden wars an expansion. And Donald Trump said, I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, he had like a statement on this. They asked him and he said, I don't really care about the guy, but I, you know, I promised I'd do it. So I did. And that matters, that matters for the spirit of this country and what young people are going to see in their president. I said I'll do it and I did.

[Phil Labonte]

That's why I would. Also on the pardon point, I mean his first three days, who could complain? He's done a lot. But we should all also mention that there's been in the pardoning. There's been so far there's been one omission that I very much hope is, is you know, that this is coming soon, which is the pro lifers who are sitting right, who are sitting in federal prison right now. Some of them are already out but they're on probation and they've got this on the record. Some are actually in federal prison right now.

[Angela McArdle]

Has he made promises to pardon them as well? Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes. And for my money, what happened to the J6ers we all know was outrageous political persecution. What happened to these pro lifers is the worst of all. This is the worst political persecution that we've seen in modern history.

[Matt Walsh]

What is it?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, the, the Biden administration decided, you know, that they were going to enforce the so called FACE act. You know, that is, I've heard of.

[Matt Walsh]

It like a couple of years ago.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's the freedom of access to clinics entrances. So this is a 90s era law that made it a federal crime to basically come within X number of feet of the entrance of a, of an abortion clinic if you're a protester and you're blocking, you know, the entrance. But the thing is that that law already had a million problems because you're treating these clinics like this special category of building and giving them kind the kinds of protections you don't give any other building. But then also this law supposedly offered the same protections to pregnancy resource centers, to crisis pregnancy centers, to pro life centers. So that was their way of like dealing with the, the inequality of the law. They said, okay, well yeah, well this will also apply to pro life centers. Well the problem is that they don't enforce that. And then under the Biden administration you had, you know, these, these pro abortion radicals that were literally setting pregnancy centers, pro life pregnancy centers on fire and there was no attempt to track these people down at all. And instead they decided to go after these pro lifers, some of whom. There was a case in Tennessee where they were sitting, I believe outside the entrance of the, of the, of the abortion clinic and praying. No, no violence occurred. You know, they didn't, they never touched anyone. They didn't commit any violent act at all. They weren't even shouting at anybody. They were just sitting there praying. And some of these are like elderly women and, and the Biden administration comes along and charges them with federal crimes and throws them in federal prison for it.

[Angela McArdle]

Unconscionable.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think they were even actually physically obstructing anyone from entering other than just being in space. You'd have to walk around.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's the thing. You just have to walk around them. They weren't even, you know, it's not, it wasn't like chaining themselves to the door or something.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not like black block where they are locking elbows and blocking you from.

[Phil Labonte]

And that's why, that's why I say they, in any other context, like if they had done that outside of a Home Depot, at worst they get loitering charts a misdemeanor. It only is a federal crime because they've, they, the federal government has decided to treat abortion clinics like these sacred temples, which is how the left.

[Ian Crossland]

Because they are in their opinion there.

[Tim Pool]

There were some protesters who were inside the lobby of an abortion clinic and they were, I think they were praying and they were instructed you have to leave or else. And they got charged under this as well, which should just be a trespass on the wrist.

[Phil Labonte]

That should be trespassing charge.

[Ian Crossland]

Right. Move on with your life advocating for them right now.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean there's, you know, pardons. Yeah, there's been, there are many pro life organizations that have been advocating and to Trump's and by the way, Trump has said that he's going to pardon them. So I'm not, there's no indication that he's just going to ignore them and betray them. I'm not claiming this is some great betrayal. Maybe he's waiting the time. There's the March for life is on Friday. Maybe that'll be the time. That would be a great time to do it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I'd like to see it.

[Matt Walsh]

And, but the trade off is he's got to pardon Joe Biden because Biden. Joe's not going down for any crimes anyway. He's done, he's going out, he's chilling. Might as well.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, I don't know if Ian.

[Tim Pool]

Has just offended everyone.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay. No, no, no.

[Phil Labonte]

Why is.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not.

[Matt Walsh]

Why is it a trade by Joe?

[Tim Pool]

Because it kind of also indicates he's.

[Matt Walsh]

Done something wrong, which is cool.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a little left field. But I think if he were to do that, that say, you know, you did a lot of terrible. I think he should pardon him for specific crimes, actually. That would.

[Tim Pool]

You know what? I think you're right, actually.

[Matt Walsh]

I saw it on Twitter.

[Tim Pool]

It's not my idea, but, but, but I'll say. Joe Biden is an awful person who has committed a lot of crimes. You look at the crime family, 10% for the big guy, the Burisma scandal. But he is very old and unaware of his surroundings. If Trump were to issue the pardon, acting very magnanimous, it would also require Biden to make an admission of guilt for the things that he did that Trump would pardon him for.

[Matt Walsh]

And then we're not going to put him in prison.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, he's 80 something.

[Matt Walsh]

And Massey was saying last night that if you bring these people before Congress now, like Anthony Fauci, and you asked him, like, why did you lie about gain of function? You said there was none when there was. And if he still lies, then they can hit him even after the pardon now they can hit him again for perjury. So he's got to kind of admit, like, this is why I lied to the public.

[Shane Cashman]

I love the sentiment, but Joe Biden needs continued ridicule in my mind.

[Matt Walsh]

But that's what the pardon is.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't know, but I can't get.

[Phil Labonte]

On board with that. I agree that if you pardon him for specific crimes.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Pardon him for, you know, crimes of corruption. You have to get the exact.

[Ian Crossland]

He's going to be called out on this day in this act will pardon you for it.

[Tim Pool]

If he says, I pardon Joe Biden for the quid pro quo in Ukraine, threatening to withhold congressionally approved loan guarantees. That's illegal. But he did it. We all know he did. So I pardon him for it.

[Shane Cashman]

That would be the first troll party, Right? Sounds like he's trolling. Okay.

[Ian Crossland]

I like troll pardon.

[Shane Cashman]

There's a guy who might need a pardon next month, Dr. A Ton Heim. He's a Texas doctor who is a whistleblower at the Texas Children's Hospital. He's out of trial next month. They try to put him away for 10 years.

[Ian Crossland]

State or federal?

[Shane Cashman]

I believe so. I believe so. For they say he's violating HIPAA violations. We should look it up. But that, that guy needs help.

[Matt Walsh]

This one's a bit more controversial. Derek Chauvin. I've seen his name being tossed around. I think you tweeted it.

[Tim Pool]

There's federal and state charges. Trump absolutely should pardon Chauvin on the federal charges.

[Matt Walsh]

There's a lot of evidence that, that George Floyd had like fentanyl nor fentanyl. I think it was caffeine, nicotine and THC in his system. Five drugs when he died, that it was a heart attack, not an asphyxiation.

[Phil Labonte]

And he didn't get a fair trial. There's no way he got a fair trial.

[Tim Pool]

I was going to say, I don't care about any of that stuff. Yeah, I don't care about the drugs, I don't care about whatever. He didn't have a fair trial.

[Ian Crossland]

Just on the trial alone. I think, I think that that's. If this is all about undoing the weaponization of the justice system, it should be done on the trial.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's jump to this next story. It's part of the first one, but it's interesting. Pop Crave has the tweet saying, Donald Trump has revoked the Equal Employment opportunity Act of 1965. The order prohibited discretion discrimination in hiring and employment based on race, color, religion, sex or national origin. We have this in the, we have right here. This is the executive order ending illegal discrimination and restoring merit based opportunity. And you can see while this does cover all the DEI stuff, it includes Executive Order 11246 of September 24, 1965. Equal Employment Opportunity is hereby revoked for 90 days from this date. From the date of this order. Federal contractors may continue to comply with the regulatory scheme in effect on January 20, 2025. So what they say over here at, basically it says, On September 24, 1965, Lyndon Johnson issued Executive Order 11246, prohibiting employment discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin by those organizations receiving federal contracts and subcontracts. In 1967, Johnson amended the order to include the sex on the list of attributes. It also requires federal contractors to take affirmative action to promote the full realization of equal opportunity for women and minorities. So this is basically the end of affirmative action in the federal government. It only extends to the federal government. I did not realize that was just an executive order. I thought that was a law. Trump just said, nah, we out done.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's pretty remarkable.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Phil Labonte]

Right. I mean, this.

[Ian Crossland]

Brass balls.

[Phil Labonte]

You know what, so this is a thought that I had. This. It's a, it's a question, I don't really know the answer to it. But when you look at all these things that Trump's doing and he's killing DEI in federal government, he's killing gender ideology in the federal government. Those two things in particular. You know, I was expecting a nuclear explosion of, of rage, a full on left wing meltdown, protests in the street and everything over this. And we're not quite. Now, of course the left is upset, the media's upset about it, but we're not, we're not quite seeing the level of no rage that I was expecting. And I'm, and I'm, I'm wondering why that is. One, one theory is Chris Ruffo had a, he, he tweeted something earlier about how the big tech companies, you know, according to people he's talking to, his reporting these, talking to people, the big tech companies, they're going to comply with this, getting rid of dei. And according to him, there's kind of actually a sense of relief that they don't have to pretend to care about this anymore and they can just get back to hiring people that are good at doing their job. So I, I wonder if for some on the left, if maybe that applies more broadly and that there's some on the left anyway who, they're a little bit relieved to be done with this stuff because they, they never really believed in it. And the, you know, the idea that they had to get up in arms because, you know, a man wants access to the women's changing room. And so now it's like they don't have to pretend to care about that anymore. So is there a slight sense of relief among some on the left?

[Tim Pool]

I agree.

[Phil Labonte]

We're liberators now for them.

[Tim Pool]

Right? I agree. At the institutional level, for some of these companies, they're thinking like, you know, we were getting these calls from the Biden administration. They were, they were telling us we had to do these things and that's there. But the question of where is the day of rage people on the streets. Here's a couple potentials. One, it's really cold out. And so with the polar vortex coming in, it was snowing in Louisiana. It was snowing in Florida. Yeah, it's snowing in Florida.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's the apocalypse for them as well. So it's really cold. And the truth is when a light drizzle happens, the protesters don't go outside. So it could be that maybe in the next few months we'll start to see antifa come out in the streets. There were some protests in Washington. They attacked a TP USA event and they were smashed, they smashed a window. But it was, it was relatively small. I wonder however though, with Trump winning the popular mandate and did you guys see this? For the first time, Trump's aggregate favorability has, has been, has been favorable.

[Ian Crossland]

Nice.

[Tim Pool]

So the first was in December by like point two. Now it's point three for in his political career, Trump is now slightly favorable. I wonder if you know, the thing about Antifa and these far leftists is that they're always a fringe minority of violent, of violent, violent groups and they rely on the mass of normie. General liberal disdain.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

So if a thousand people come out to protest and their intention is to wave little American flags and pride flags or whatever, Antifa goes into those groups and uses that as cover to be violent causing chaos. But if most of those people don't want to protest for these things anymore, Antifa has no coverage. It may be the left is very mad, but they were never very, very powerful to begin with.

[Ian Crossland]

I think they're agitators and they get people riled up and I think the, the normies and the people in the middle are just fatigued and they're over it. Yeah, Wokeism is, is a sad, like it makes people sad. It's a bad vibe. And this whole election has been a vibe check and people are like, you know what? I think I want to be happy and not always be scolding the, the sad looking white dude in the cubicle next to me.

[Angela McArdle]

We were talking earlier about that. The, the vibe, the vibe change. The, the era of America is good again. It's really tangible and I think that it's something that a lot of people feel nowadays. People are tired of looking at the United States, which is. I don't care, I don't, I have no problem saying this. I don't care what anyone says. The United States has been an aggregate good for the world, if even if only because the US Keeps the seas open for trade. It has been an aggregate good for the entire world. And most people in the United States want to believe that the country they're from, the United States is a good place full of good people and has good intentions. And with the left being so ascendant for the past possibly 20 years, particularly since the, the, the, the Gulf War with the, the war, I think people are tired of feeling like the United States is bad and they're ready for some, some optimism and some belief that the country still is a place that does good things. And if you look at how many, just how many illegal people, you know, illegal aliens have come to the United States in the past four years, that says something about the rest of the world in the United States in comparison.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm curious what's going to happen with colleges? Because, like what Matt's saying with the tech world, they're, they're being liberated. I feel like the colleges are going to, they're recalibrating to get crazier.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so Elon tweeted something that when you look at the appearance of certain words in academic journals, I think it was journals, you can see this massive spike of all these woke terminologies of phobias and whatnot. And then in the past year, it started to decline.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, nice.

[Shane Cashman]

Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

So we may, we may see some recoil.

[Shane Cashman]

When I was a professor and, you know, applying for other professor jobs, all the applications at the bottom, they were saying they're hiring all these people except white guys. Straight white guys.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm curious how this is going to affect that if it's going to make them worse.

[Tim Pool]

Trump should issue an executive order that, you know, these universities, they receive federal funding.

[Shane Cashman]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

He should instruct the DOJ to go after anyone for violating the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[Tim Pool]

That DEI stuff is illegal. It's always been illegal.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. It's a disease in the colleges.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me show you the street from End Wokeness. That's in line with. This is interesting. The ATF was just caught rebranding their Chief Diversity Officer to. He wrote chief officer, but it's senior officer. Take a look at this one. 2020 25. Lisa Boykin of the ATF, the chief diversity officer. One day later, she's a senior executive Office of the Director.

[Angela McArdle]

Get her out.

[Tim Pool]

This is what they've been doing. So we. Right. And we, we heard the FBI had preemptively ended their DEI department. What they really did was they reassigned all of those employees all over to the FBI. They're trying to hide their, their, their ideologue Marxist.

[Shane Cashman]

West Point got in trouble for doing it. They were getting sued. They rebranded the DEI department. And they were just doing.

[Ian Crossland]

They got to make sure that we have people of all different race, creed and color down the next Waco. I think it's really important to them.

[Tim Pool]

I hope that Trump and his administration understand that this is not over on day one and that when he signs that executive order saying DEI is over, they say, we're not dei. We're the Equal Employment Accessibility Department. That's another name they're using now. The Equal Employment and Accessibility.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean the left is very good at rebranding idea. Like they have an idea, it's really unpopular, it becomes even more unpopular and then they rebrand the idea and then they get, they get a second life out of that idea because they rebranded it. So that is what you have to look out for. Which is why firing, you're also going to have to fire the people at the top of these agencies and departments and then install people who don't, who are not motivated to go and find a way to recreate how the Department.

[Shane Cashman]

Of War became the Department of Defense.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, to your point, Matt, the, the whole left, like about the left rebranding, that's the, what the whole WOKE movement is when it stopped being functional. For the, the power dynamic to go from the working class to the, the pro, from the proletariat to the bourgeoisie, from the working class to the property, then people like Herbert Mark Hughes had to go ahead and find new people with, with the revolutionary energy. I think it was in, in, in one dimensional man. He was talking about how because capitalism delivers the goods. He said, he said that because capitalism delivers a, a good life for people, they're, they, they no longer. The working class no longer has the revolutionary energy. And so he specifically said that he was going to have to go to the ghettos and you're going to have to find essentially turn it from working class versus the proletariat to race to race based.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

Race, gender, the whole thing.

[Angela McArdle]

Exactly. And so, so it's, it's just a repackaging of the same garbage that the left's been selling for 150 years or whatever.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, see it in the corporate sector too. Monsanto sold to Bayer like they were getting trashed in 2010, 2011 and then all of a sudden they're pro. I don't know how it happened, but no more Monsanto. I mean it still exists, but it's Bayer now.

[Tim Pool]

Bayer. So the rebrand, the way you do it, man, you can keep the same infrastructure going, but just give it a different name and then hope people forget about it.

[Shane Cashman]

The vaccines, change their names.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's that, that once again, that's the, that's the strategy of when you make a product that no one likes. Actually who's. Okay, I shouldn't go there. There's a, there's a pop diva pop star who had put out a bunch of music. I'm not gonna say her name. And everyone hated It. She changed. She rebranded and changed her name to a fake name and now she is famous.

[Ian Crossland]

She is very famous and. And loved.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, she's awesome, right?

[Shane Cashman]

Can I say who it is?

[Phil Labonte]

Who is it?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I wanted to know who.

[Shane Cashman]

Lana Del Rey.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What was her name?

[Phil Labonte]

What was her name?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't know what her name was before.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Phil Labonte]

Forget.

[Tim Pool]

I don't care. That's all you got to do. You go to marketing firm and they.

[Phil Labonte]

Say change your name and fake name your name sounding.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

With your sad like goth girl.

[Tim Pool]

It works.

[Angela McArdle]

Listen, work, listen for, for everyone out there that's curious that the days of Taylor Swift are over. It is now the era of Lana Del Rey.

[Ian Crossland]

I like it.

[Matt Walsh]

Let's do it.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this next story from Fox News. They say DOJ to investigate state or local officials who obstruct immigration enforcement. Memo Trump. DOJ wants federal prosecutors across the country to investigate sanctuary city officials who obstruct immigration enforcement. Okay, this is fantastic.

[Ian Crossland]

What is it? What does it mean? I want to pull their funding. I want to see a real.

[Angela McArdle]

I mean, you're a libertarian.

[Ian Crossland]

Financially, I want to just pull the funding.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm okay with that too. But what this says to me is it's illegal to aid and abet criminals and California is in violation of federal law. And the people who aid and abet the criminals should be charged in whatever capacity we have codified.

[Ian Crossland]

Are we going to do that? Are we going to start arresting governors and, and mayors?

[Tim Pool]

You're, you're. I mean, I'm getting a little excited.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What is, what is, what is Michael Malice's T shirt? Governors for Gitmo.

[Ian Crossland]

Gitmo. Gitmo.

[Matt Walsh]

I think there's normally, I would say if a state made a choice, interstate, just leave it to the state. Unless it's like a horribly egregious moral, you know, but because these people cross state lines to get there, that's the problem.

[Angela McArdle]

Fair enough. But. And also the, The United States is charged with protecting the borders, first of all. And second of all, the United States also has like the supremacy clause laws that are made by the United States are. Take supremacy over state laws. So when the United States says it is illegal to enter the United States without proper documentation, that's. That's a law that the whole country has to abide by.

[Tim Pool]

So if I don't necessarily know that you, you arrest a governor, but you pull funding from California, pull that fund.

[Ian Crossland]

They have so much money and they brag about how much better they are we have so much money, we have so much industry. Put your money where your mouth is.

[Phil Labonte]

I think, I don't think we're going to end up arresting governors. But the left has set the precedent here. I mean, they arrested a president, former president, tried to put him in prison. So why not? I mean, they've all, they, they've done the most extreme version of that that it's possible to do by trying to put a president in prison.

[Ian Crossland]

Why do they protect murderers who are here illegally? I understand there's sob stories, there's people who bring their kids across. You're 11 years old. Why are we protecting murderers?

[Angela McArdle]

It's called restoring.

[Tim Pool]

There was also, what was it, 154 Democrats voted not to deport illegal immigrants.

[Ian Crossland]

But aren't legal murderers also bad? Like murder bad? This is like such a very simple.

[Tim Pool]

We had Ro Khanna on and he voted against the Lake and Riley act. And he said his concern was that it allows the deportation of someone just for being arrested. And, you know, we didn't really get to it. But I'd like to say to him, at least now is. But they're here illegally, right? So that's what we do. When, when, when this is the crazy thing, like the argument is, the Lake and Riley act, is any. Anyone here unlawfully who also commits these crimes, burglary, theft, burglary, theft, or whatever, if you are arrested, then they are to be detained by Homeland Security and deported. And, and his argument is, but they've not been tried. They've only been arrested. We are not deporting them for committing burglary. We're deporting them because we've arrested them. They are in violation of the law already and we deport people here illegally. That's it.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, it's. And, and to your question about why, why, you know, why would you protect murderers? But part of it is on the left. It's like they don't, they're not. And we've seen this. They, they don't get very angry about violent crimes. They're not crazy because they, and the reason for that is that, I mean, we had this, we had this notion you're going back. You know, even when I was a kid, we heard about. You don't hear the term very often anymore. A bleeding heart liberal. Yeah. And the idea was that if you're on the left, your problem is that you're almost, you're overflowing with too much compassion, you're too sensitive. And, and then, you know, and then, and then we Got to the sensitive snowflake thing and. But that was never true. It's actually on the left, they, they are cruelly indifferent, in fact, to, to suffering. And so when they hear about a violent murderer, they don't feel the innate rage and anger that everyone at this table feels because they just don't care that much. And then that's why their compassion for criminals, it's a very cheap compassion because it's, it's, it is. You know, they could talk about forgiveness and let's let them be rehabilitated. Well, it's because you don't actually care. You're not actually angry about what they did.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, wanting to punish criminals, wanting to harshly punish criminals is. That's, that comes from a place of love and a thirst for justice that I think they just don't.

[Shane Cashman]

Most modern leftists don't value life.

[Ian Crossland]

I think they hate humanity and they'll.

[Shane Cashman]

Stand on dead bodies to promote whatever they want.

[Matt Walsh]

Why is it just like a disassociative, like, it hasn't happened to me, so it doesn't sound that bad from a distance.

[Tim Pool]

I'd like to point out an example that Phil had tweeted before, where they show results of a study that found that conservatives tend to have compassion for their friends and their family and the people around them, and Democrats and liberals tend to have compassion for inert objects like rocks. I am not being mean. That's the literal language of the study. Democrats have compassion for inert objects. That's what it said. And how does that, how does that, how do we clarify that into layman's terms? Democrats care about. Don't, don't blow the mountaintop off that. You know it's bad. We don't, we don't like that mountaintop being damaged. Don't chop down those trees. Conservatives are like, please stop abusing these children.

[Angela McArdle]

In, in Starship Troopers terms, the left loves the bugs.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes. That's a really good way to put.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, you know what? It's also, it's like this inversion because the natural human, the natural human thing is to care the most about the people that are very closest to you.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

And, you know, so your, your, your, your spouse, your children, if you're married, those people that care. The. You care the most about them in the entire world of all people, you prioritize them. And then from there you have kind of your extended family, your friends, and then your community, your immediate community, and then your state and then your country, and then far, far down the line, you care about like the, the whole nation, all the nations of the world. And that's the natural thing. But on the left, they've kind of demonized that approach because if you look at it that way, then you're small minded and you're bigoted and you're nativist and you're all these things. And so they, they flip it around so that their compassion immediately goes to, it goes to the broadest place, right? They talk about the world and humanity.

[Ian Crossland]

And they don't have children, which helps with the inversion because there's nothing close to them to learn.

[Phil Labonte]

And the thing is that, that even, even like climate. Oh, I care about the climate. And well, like caring about that, it, it means nothing and it cost you nothing because you can't. I can't do anything about the climate. I can't do anything about humanity. I can't save humanity. I can care for my children and my. That takes like a daily effort and sacrifice. And so they'd rather not do that. Instead they'd rather sit back and just talk in the abstract about how they love all people everywhere and they don't.

[Matt Walsh]

I was thinking about that.

[Tim Pool]

Spend any amount of time with many of these people. I'll give a shout out to one of my favorite countries, Sweden. They, I know it's been a while since I was there, but they love to talk about how they're not racist and they're very progressive and it's actually one of the most racist countries I've ever been to. They isolate their migrants into ghettos. They move, they move them over decades into these isolated little communities where they are effectively outside of Swedish society. And even white Americans that I met who had moved to Sweden who were fluent in Swedish said they couldn't get jobs because Swedes are actually very xenophobic. They don't like people from outside their country. They pretend to, sorry, Sweden. That's what people told me.

[Matt Walsh]

This is just. They're like, look, we care about them. We gave them their own place to live.

[Tim Pool]

This is, this is what many leftists do. They say, oh, we care so much of the plight of the oppressed people of color. We're going to take them in and then once no one's looking, they go throw them in the back.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they'd collect them. It's like McDonald's Happy Meal toys.

[Matt Walsh]

On the, on the drive over, I was thinking about the difference of the left and the right. And I tend to, it's not just the two sides, but in this political instance, there's the people that care about the group and the power and the strength of community and group. That's. The left is like, together we are strong. You know, that's a fascist crap, whatever, Together. And there is something to that. A group is way more effective than a single person in a lot of ways. But then on the right, it's more about individual taking care of yourself and your immediate surroundings, which also has value, a lot of value, because a group is made up of individuals. So if you don't empower the individuals, you're. You have a weak group, a group of weaklings, and you don't want that. So. But it's also dangerous to be too far right where you're like, look, I only care about my immediate surroundings, and I don't care at all about the group. Because it's very important that we have wisdom, make sure that people aren't crapping in the water upstream, you know, because there are people living downstream. And one day that's going to come back to you. And there's just, there's a balance. You know, there's a, There's a fluctuation between, I think, both sides that you have to maintain.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that, that's a good point. And the, the other thing about immigration and they're the kind of, the compassion of it. They're, they're how their position is supposedly compassionate is. It's like, it's very funny to me in a morbid way how open these people are about the fact that what they're really concerned about is that they're going to lose their slave labor. And, and, you know, we heard it from that, you know, the woman who gave the, the. Who's going to pick our bishop who gave her sermon. Right. Who's, who's going to mop our floors? Who's going to pick our crops? Who's going to shine my shoes if we don't have the illegals here?

[Shane Cashman]

That's exactly how they think of it.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, they just come out and.

[Ian Crossland]

Say, even beyond that, a lot of, A lot of the people who come in illegally end up homeless or they live just in hotels. They don't, they don't actually have what we would consider a good life here. And I think that all of the NGOs and Democrats know that. And they don't care how many children.

[Shane Cashman]

Were lost coming over that border.

[Tim Pool]

They don't care.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, they don't value the children's lives either.

[Ian Crossland]

Child abuse and abduction and, you know, sexual assault and things like that. It's just, we don't talk about that, because bringing them over here is, is for some reason better graph go up.

[Phil Labonte]

And they go up and they can't, they can't build a good life in their, their homes of origin either. Because, you know, it's kind of like if we, if you listen to the left, they say, oh, well, all these immigrants are coming and they're very useful and they, they are very skilled and they're doing a lot of important things. Well, if that's true, then what you're telling me is that the, the countries they're coming from are losing everyone. They need to like, build a functioning society. So this is a win win. You send them back there, they can build up their own countries to be this thriving place and we can live in the, in a multicultural world where all the countries are strong. Like you would think that they'd be in favor of that.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, I'm sympathetic to other countries have really corrupt governments. You know, I think that's, that's a reality. But I don't think that problem is getting solved. We're not addressing any of these root problems. We're just making everything worse and ruining our foreign policy.

[Tim Pool]

We can certainly solve our problems. Let's jump to the story from CNN of all sources. U.S. military ordering thousands more troops to the southern border. I believe the number is around 1,500. Donald Trump is certainly taking this seriously. And then we have this tweet from Osint Defender. CNN is reporting that U.S. transportation Command has been instructed by the Pentagon to prepare to use military assets, including C130 and C17 military transport aircraft for migrant repatriation flights. So Trump ain't screwing around.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow.

[Angela McArdle]

Love it.

[Phil Labonte]

Wow.

[Angela McArdle]

And it's got to be done right.

[Tim Pool]

It's got to be done by the book. The last thing we want is when you get operations this large, there's a lot of room for error and abuse. And the margin of error on this one is going to be slim.

[Ian Crossland]

You cannot be abusing women and children when we're deporting people.

[Phil Labonte]

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[Angela McArdle]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Angela McArdle]

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[Tim Pool]

Ranger for the ones who get it done.

[Ian Crossland]

People who are here illegally. That is a nightmare scenario.

[Phil Labonte]

And the left is going to be looking for them. Yeah, they're going to be looking for their immigrant George Floyd, you know, their. Their Jose Floyd moment. And. And you can't give it to them. But this is also going to be. It's going to be very telling because right now the polls show that a strong majority of Americans support mass deportation.

[Angela McArdle]

70%.

[Phil Labonte]

70%, which is. That's. That's huge in America these days, if you can get 70% on anything. That's quite telling. So now we're going to get all of the misery porn from the media, and we're going to see all the sobbing migrants. We're already seeing some of that. They're going to ramp it up. So check the poll. Like a month from now. I want to see that poll again. If it's still at 70 around there in support, then the left is done on this issue. I mean, you know, they're finished.

[Angela McArdle]

There's. There's one more thing that I want to say. I heard today, the.

[Phil Labonte]

The.

[Angela McArdle]

They're sending Marines to the border, and they're not sending them, you know, as toothless. They're sending them in combat gear, and they have orders that if the cartels shoot at them, they're going to be ordered to return fire. And that, honestly, is a very good thing, in my opinion. I know this is. This is making Angela a little nervous.

[Ian Crossland]

Scary.

[Angela McArdle]

Look, Mexico's the biggest trading part, or the United States is the biggest trading partner in Mexico has. Mexico has every incentive to stop.

[Ian Crossland]

They need to get working with the.

[Phil Labonte]

With the.

[Angela McArdle]

With the cartels and start working with the United States to fix this problem. The. Mexico has been allowing immigrants to. To cross through their country for ages and ages, and they've been shoving people into the United States. The United. Taking a firm stance and saying, you are not sending people into the United States anymore. And we are going to put teeth behind those words is a good thing.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a. It's a horribly corrupt government.

[Angela McArdle]

Absolutely.

[Shane Cashman]

The border's a mess. When I was in Yuma, you could just see that the border agents just let them come over. They throw the ladders, the homemade ladders over the wall. They climb over, they get a ride to the facility, and then a plane ticket to someone who has a phone, who picks up the phone in any state in this country.

[Tim Pool]

And as I bring up as often as I can, thanks to the work of Dr. Phil, many of these people Are trafficking children to prostitution.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

CBP knows. They know they're doing it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

So I've gone as far as to say that the officers who have brought a child into this country, seen the phone number on their arm, called it knowing it was sex trafficking. They should be prosecuted.

[Ian Crossland]

I think so. I think so.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, this is like a real libertarian hotspot. Our party's platform is technically open borders. I think a lot of people are starting to come around, though, because this is insanity. You can't just say, well, it's, you know, we just want to have free movement of people. Do whatever you want. Okay, what are we talking about? Literally, like, free movement of people. Like, we're picking them up and packaging them and selling them. Because that's slavery. We're not pro slavery.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, I mean. I mean, there's the idea of open borders can be great.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Angela McArdle]

The idea of legalized drugs so that way people don't have to go to jail for. For smoking marijuana. Sounds great.

[Ian Crossland]

You gotta.

[Phil Labonte]

There's a.

[Ian Crossland]

Property rights. There's a lot of property.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, there's a lot.

[Phil Labonte]

I think both those ideas sound terrible.

[Angela McArdle]

But the reason that they sound terrible is because, you know, the ramifications, you know, the repercussions, you know, what it does to society. And that's the point. The actual application of these things are. Is. Is bad and has really, really, really bad downstream effects.

[Tim Pool]

What wasn't it that Austin Peterson got booed when he was asked if people should be allowed to sell? Was it heroin to children?

[Ian Crossland]

Probably heroin to children.

[Tim Pool]

And then you hear libertarians going, boo, boo.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, he said no to heroin to children.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And he got boot for it.

[Ian Crossland]

It's because. It's because.

[Angela McArdle]

It's okay to laugh at libertarians.

[Ian Crossland]

It's okay. You can laugh at us. We have a special term for the people who do that. It's called lolbert. So those are the law birds.

[Shane Cashman]

What's the argument for it?

[Tim Pool]

But yeah, like, what is.

[Shane Cashman]

What is. What are they saying?

[Ian Crossland]

The government shouldn't do it? You know, the private sector should do it. And so. Okay, well, then we have to have a moral society. And that begins by not booing it. When we talk about, like, we don't have a moral society. And it is. It's a problem. And.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, it doesn't.

[Ian Crossland]

Spiritual problem.

[Phil Labonte]

Doesn't it go back? Because libertarians, you hear the government shouldn't legislate morality. So is that basically their argument that this is. That to prevent children from getting heroin is somehow imposing a Moral code arbitrarily.

[Ian Crossland]

But they won't follow it up by saying, and we should shame and ostracize and run out of business anyone who tries to sell heroin.

[Phil Labonte]

The other thing that I don't get because it's. Libertarians believe that there should be some laws. Correct?

[Ian Crossland]

It depends. Some. Some. Well, so there's a lot of anarchists who. Who lump themselves in with libertarianism. So you'll also find just minimal government libertarians. They want police and military just to keep our border secure.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well, that's. That's what gets me is that if you. I guess if you are rejecting all law entirely, that's a whole different. I think that's insane, but it's a whole different thing. But the don't legislate morality thing never made any sense to me because literally any law that's ever been passed in the history of mankind in any country anywhere has been a legislation of morality. And that's. That is. That's the basis for the re. Why is something made illegal? Well, because it's bad. Which doesn't mean that every bad thing is made illegal, but that is why it's made illegal.

[Ian Crossland]

We treat it like property rights issues as opposed to, you know, like church lady issues, I guess. To. To put it crudely. Does that make sense?

[Tim Pool]

We actually didn't need laws for a long time when. When society was a bit smaller.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

You didn't need it because people just agreed to function in the society whether something was right or wrong.

[Matt Walsh]

The reason guy would come in and beat you up.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, well.

[Tim Pool]

But sanctioned by the people.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, they just watch it.

[Tim Pool]

And what happens is as societies, as cultures break apart and you get many different cultures, you begin to have to write down the way things should be and show them to people. And there's this. I think the Guys, what's. If I get your name wrong? Forgive me. I think it's Wade Stots. He's a commentator and he made this great video about how a constitution. What does it mean? Where's the word come from? It's what constitutes the people. And we didn't. Most. Most countries didn't write them down because the idea was the people and what constitutes them is known to the people. But in the United States, understanding in the early days that we had so many different states and people lived different climates and everything, they said, we better write this down. So where we are now is. It's actually quite simple, Matt. If everybody shared your moral structure and worldview, you would need no police and no standing armies and for the liberty.

[Phil Labonte]

The world would be a perfect place if everyone just agreed, Everyone just admitted that I'm right.

[Ian Crossland]

Women would work the gossip line effectively to keep people in line socially. Nobody take care of the outlier.

[Tim Pool]

The shopping carts would be put away.

[Matt Walsh]

Every time until someone runs out of food. And then it's like, even if they're believe what Matt believes, it's like, hey.

[Tim Pool]

No, give me some food.

[Ian Crossland]

And he's like, hey, it's my perfectly.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you this, Matt. If. If you came across someone from your community where you live that you knew and their house had burned down and they were desperate, would you offer them any kind of charity or aid?

[Phil Labonte]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

And your neighbors would too, in a just and moral society. Like, where does insurance come from? Original insurance was when people lived near each other. If my house burns down, you help me rebuild. Because if yours burned down, I help you rebuild. We were a community that shared values, shared morals. In the United States, they would go to church every week.

[Phil Labonte]

You still need law, though. I mean, even in a just and moral society. Unless we're talking about a literal utopia where everybody is perfect and we're connected.

[Matt Walsh]

By like a neural net.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Or.

[Phil Labonte]

Or we're talking about heaven, you know, strong, strong norms.

[Tim Pool]

This is a pure hypothetical suggestion. There's no way in reality that literally everyone on this planet would be like, I have the exact moral foundations.

[Ian Crossland]

Correct.

[Tim Pool]

Of Matt Walsh 100%. But I know Matt, and I believe this is true for many people in the United States of. Of all different backgrounds, but largely of Christians, that if they all shared the same moral values, there would be no need for police.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I would say even if they share the same moral values, there certainly is a need for police and laws. Unless. So sharing the value. I mean, you can share values, you can have certain values and violate those values and still do bad things. You know, so someone can have great Christian values and truly believe in them and then go to. They could go commit murder. I mean, it can happen. But you never would, right? I wouldn't, but. But just because someone does something bad or commits a crime, it doesn't mean. Because they. It doesn't mean that they didn't have those values. It just means they violate those values. Because we're a flawed, fallen species.

[Tim Pool]

So fair.

[Phil Labonte]

If everyone shares the same values, you still need law. If we lived in some sort of utopia where everybody shares and actually follows a perfect moral system, then in that case, that's.

[Tim Pool]

Sure, but that's what I mean. It's a. It's A hypothetical that doesn't exist.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't.

[Tim Pool]

And so we write things down because it doesn't exist.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think of it as utopia. You know, I'm not ever trying to achieve utopia or anything realistic. I think what I'm trying to do, especially right now, since I've been sort of thrust into this real world politicking, is what is the bare minimum? And can we shave off all of this crap that we've been talking about where the justice system has been weaponized and abused and it's grown into just this, this monster? Like what is the bare minimum that we can function at and what is preventing us from functioning at that bare minimum is it hordes of people from another culture who are here trying to take advantage, and people are trying to take advantage of them as they come in. You know, like, is it Marxism in academia? Like, what is preventing us from being our very best?

[Matt Walsh]

I think it's a lack of communication about morality because you can have people try and compensate for a lack of good with more law, and that's a big problem. So you want to shave down the laws to minimum, but also enhance the good. And that's a conversation because it's a group. The group has to agree on that.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me, let me, let me, I guess, whittle that down in another way. You are right. I think there's another way to say it, and it's that the United States has become increasingly less religious. Yeah. This is a country where the founding documents are largely built upon the Christian moral tradition. Whether the founding fathers were deist, secular or otherwise doesn't matter. We talk about it quite a bit. But many of the amendments, the ideas of property rights, they are literally rooted in the Christian moral tradition. And over the past several decades, past couple of generations, we have what Dennis Prager referred to as, I think he calls it cut stem or cut flower politics, where we have removed a generation from the roots of this nation and we hold the flower and talk about how beautiful it is as it withers and dies.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

So what you're saying is that we're not having the conversation around morality. Well, it used to be that kids would go to church and kids would have a moral tradition in their faith. I am not telling everyone you have to believe in God or be Christian. I'm saying with that there were people who grew up and were raised to function under a certain structure. We don't have that now. Kids grow up and they watch a dude dry hump Satan on tv. The morals are just completely gone.

[Shane Cashman]

Even worse, though, is the fact that we have people parading themselves around as supposed Christians, like the heretic bishop in this city. They've recreated Christ in their own image. So these people think they're Christian and they're, they're just, they've mutilated the idea of it.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, and it creates this kind of incoherence, which is. Yes, to your point that, you know, at a certain point it all starts to break down. You have to understand why. You know, you can have laws in place, you can have these principles in place, but why are they there? And, and even something as basic as the concept of a right, you know, a human right, and we think of this as like this universal concept, and we think of it now as a secular concept even. And people who are totally secular and atheists talk about human rights all the time. But all you have to do is just go, go follow the thread of a human right. Just, just follow it for, you know, a few steps and you get to a point where, Wait a second, look, what does that mean? What does that come from? A human right in and of itself is a religious concept, spark of divinity. Right? And if, if, because if there is no God, our, our, our notion of human rights in this country is built on the idea that there's a creator God. And because we were created by God, we have this, we have this inherent human dignity. And from there springs our human rights. Well, if there's no God, then what do you mean, right? Like, what are you talking about? I have a right. What do you mean you have a right to. Then a right is nothing but a totally arbitrary thing that was written on a piece of paper. And then the people. What that means is that you could just take it off the piece of paper. And it doesn't make any sense for you to say, wait a minute, you took away my rights.

[Tim Pool]

And this is why the liberals argue as of the Constitution granted us rights.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

As opposed to the reality in which we are endowed by our Creator.

[Ian Crossland]

The Constitution recognized their rights are connected.

[Shane Cashman]

To false gods and they have no moral center.

[Matt Walsh]

A lot of why people have rejected religion, in my opinion, is because they don't. They're rejecting authority and being told, preacher or a priest, this is the way it is because you've seen corruption within churches from time to time. But the thing is, there's always going to be an author in your life. There's always going to be an external authority, and that becomes the television. If you're not careful.

[Angela McArdle]

When you Talk to, talk to a lot of atheists and agnostic people. It re. They, they tend to sound like teenagers that are mad at their dad that when it, when the, when it boils down to it. And, and I'm a guy that's generally pretty agnostic. And, and, and I still see the impact that religion has. I see the necessity for it. I see, you know, I acknowledge the fact that no human civilization in all of human history that didn't have religion.

[Phil Labonte]

I.

[Angela McArdle]

It's likely that even pre humans like Neanderthals and other other human species had religion as well. So the idea that religion is something that we can just throw away is a ridiculous proposition. And, and when you listen to people that, that, you know, want to be modern atheists or whatever, they always sound like, I don't need a sky Daddy. It's like, well, now you just sound like a kid that's mad at. Because he took away his Nintendo.

[Shane Cashman]

But they want the government to be.

[Angela McArdle]

Well, that's, that's the thing. It always replaces it. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Instead of tower, Tower to heaven, Tower of Babel, it feels like it's the inverse, like bureaucratic ladder to hell. That's the, that's the cultural vibe.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's jump to the story because it's not all bad news. We got this from the post Millennial pride fat ply pride flags removed from US Outposts worldwide. Absolutely. Starting immediately. Only the United States of America flag is authorized to be flown.

[Shane Cashman]

Should always been the case.

[Matt Walsh]

That's kind of reasonable for US Proper.

[Ian Crossland]

Bases standing in front of. What is that, another country flag?

[Tim Pool]

That is, I think. Is it?

[Ian Crossland]

I hope not.

[Tim Pool]

The Trump administration has implemented the new one flag policy, requiring all US Embassies and government outposts, both domestic and international, to exclusively fly the American flag. It is absolutely creepy and, and a bit terrifying that US Embassies and outposts were flying a flag of ideology.

[Ian Crossland]

It's just about sexuality too. Super real.

[Tim Pool]

No, they put the black and the brown stripe on it, so.

[Phil Labonte]

And often flying them in countries, it's a deliberate act of antagonizing a lot of these countries, countries that, that, that don't believe in this nonsense. And this is another one of those things that, you know, it goes to show that what we consider conservative policy ideas, the vast majority of them are really just common sense and they have wide approval because if you go, I don't care, left, right, center. And if, if someone had no context and you asked them, well, do you think, do you think it makes sense for embassies to only fly American flags. American Embassy, like almost everyone said, well, yeah, of course. What else would they fly? What do you mean? And yet these kinds of things were happening all over the place. And as much as the left talks about democracy and the will of the people, they were happening even though the vast majority of people don't support it. And the only reason they got away with it is because the vast majority of people didn't really know that it was happening.

[Angela McArdle]

And everybody knows to, to, you know, reference. The, the comment that I was just making is everyone knows that if you put up a, you know, flag with a Christian cross on it or anything like that, the left would have had an absolute aneurysm. And those flags are, without a doubt a religious flag to the left. So the, the fact that these things are being taken down, the left is having an absolute fit because you're, you're mocking their religion, and they really look like they had conquered. Chris, the Christianity in the United States, which I think would be a terrible thing. Again, even though I'm, you know, I'm generally an agnostic dude, I think that having gender ideology as the religion that the United States worships, I think that's. There's probably nothing that's worse for society, considering what you end up with is cutting the body parts off of children.

[Ian Crossland]

Pretty perverse.

[Matt Walsh]

I think it's reasonable to take religious iconography off of US Bases. And I don't know what a US Outposts are. I haven't really heard that term thrown around. I know U.S. embassies.

[Tim Pool]

I don't necessarily agree. I actually have no real concern of Christian iconography in government places the way the liberals really do.

[Ian Crossland]

It's also historical.

[Tim Pool]

In our court, we swear. They swear on Bibles. They offer up other. Other texts. When, when the President is being sworn in, they offer up a Bible.

[Matt Walsh]

Oh, they offer it, yeah. Trump didn't touch the Bible.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I guess people are upset about that, but whatever. And there's been an effort throughout my life to try and make the claim that the US Government should never have these things, but are part of our moral tradition. And so if I go to a court building or I go to an embassy and there's something related to Christianity, it's just normal. It's been that way in this country for a long time. It is the root of our morality in this country. To replace that with an insane ideology that harms children is devastating. So I think the philosophical approach I've been taking this, the way I've been approaching this for the past, I guess, year or so has been more post liberal. This idea of these universal principles apply to all things is just incorrect. And this, as an example, came when I was debating Bobby Sauce on the issue of TikTok. And he said, look, we don't believe in big government, so we shouldn't give the government the power to do these things. And my point was there are some things that are morally good. There are some things that are morally bad. Just because we ban one doesn't mean we ban all and just be, you know, people make the argument that, you know, if we don't, if we don't ban the left, if we implement a law that will stop the left from doing this one bad thing later on, they can use it against us. And it's like, okay, well, they're doing a bad thing now. We're not gonna let them keep doing it just because one day someone might do another bad thing. We stop things we don't like that are bad. And that is they're flying these flags of ideology that are abhorrent and have been destructive. This country. Stop Christianity. I mean, largely good for this country.

[Matt Walsh]

Okay, this is a little bit of a tangent, but what's up with the cross? Like, it's what they killed the dude with. If you, your prophet was murdered with a gun, you wouldn't put a gun on a flag and like fly that thing so, like crosses off it.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, it's Jesus Christ's sacrifice and death was the salvation of mankind. And so that's what the cross signifies.

[Ian Crossland]

It's salvation, I feel like. And a stark reminder of what was sacrificed, which was like, pretty, it's pretty heavy stuff there.

[Matt Walsh]

But like, if Jesus was like, I'm not gonna do it, I'm not gonna do it. They're like, then die. And they put a gun to his head and killed him and then they put the gun on the flag, I'd be like, bro, he still got sacrificed.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, okay, first of all, you're arguing something entirely different.

[Matt Walsh]

I know, it's not, it's not even the point.

[Tim Pool]

I want to stress this, that, that there is this, as I mentioned, this long standing effort my whole life to say that religion should be entirely separate. The separation of church and state and all of these things. But it is in our Constitution, in our founding documents. Literally what helped the founding fathers craft this country that worked so well was quite literally the Christian religion. I am not a Christian. I don't follow the same beliefs as Matt. And some people have told me, I will burn in hell. Whatever. But I understand logic, and I can look at the history of this country and see where we are and why we got here and the beliefs that led us to this place and say those were good things. Largely some things we progressed upon. We got rid of slavery. We did things like that, which means we've improved upon ourselves. How did we come to the point where we developed these ideas, wrote them down, and it's our moral tradition? So again, if I see a school and they tell kids, like, here are some of the things that we believe, we want to put the Ten Commandments in a courtroom or whatever, I'm like, yeah, I don't care.

[Ian Crossland]

It's the Ten Commandments. I'm also not offended by Hammurabi's coat. So much of this is also historical. And we, it's like we just threw out common sense and wisdom.

[Angela McArdle]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

And these things, to your point, like, you don't have to like it. It doesn't matter how you feel about it. It is just a fact that our system of government is built on Christian ideals. It just simply is. And so this is part of our history. It's part of our identity as a nation, which is why you're exactly right that there is a major difference between a freaking pride flag and across. The pride flag has nothing to do with the history of this nation. Nothing good has ever been achieved under the pride flag. Now, the cross, and I know you were being a bit, you know, you, you didn't mean it totally seriously. And I, I hear this kind of comment, well, why. Why the cross? And you say in a kind of a flippant way, but there's a. It's, It's a valid question why that? And, and the answer is, is that it's the, that Christ's death and resurrection was our salvation, but also the cross itself. And if you're not a Christian, you don't get it. It doesn't mean a lot to you. I understand that. But this, Our civilization was built under this symbol. You know, people marched under this symbol, not just in this country, but across the Western world. And we, we live in the civilization that we do. And every good thing that we have in our lives is. Is really because people believed in the cross. And, and they went out and they did incredible things and they fought and they died for the sake of the cross. And so I think that even if I wasn't Christian, and it's hard for me to put myself in that mindset, but even if I wasn't Christian, I, as someone who respects history, and who is, who, who is a big fan of Western civilization? It's the civilization I live in. It's the great civilization. I would still have a respect for the cross for that reason alone, you know, that it radically changed my position.

[Ian Crossland]

It radically. Christianity radically changed the way that people deal with each other. Our, our human interactions. Women were treated much better through Christianity. We were no longer considered like cattle. It doesn't mean that we're the same as men or that we need to be, you know, weird, freaky, only, only fans, sex people, you know, slaves were treated better. Oh, that's so terrible. Slate. Well, it was a, it was the precedent across the entire globe.

[Phil Labonte]

And slavery, Slavery was abolished.

[Ian Crossland]

Through Christianity.

[Phil Labonte]

Through Christianity. The reason why we live in this country right now and why this whole hemisphere is not currently dominated by stone aged savage cultures who rip the hearts out of their enemies and eat them and, and you know, and, and, and kill and enslave women and children. The reason why that's not the case is that people came here primarily to spread the Christian gospel.

[Tim Pool]

People need to watch Apocalypto. Oh, it's great. Mel Gibson is a real good job.

[Matt Walsh]

I believe in the power of Christianity and the general ethos of the meaning of the story and everything, a lot about it. But I'm also nervous about icons and worshiping icons because the whole Elon threw his hand out and it's like bro, it's the meaning behind the symbol. Like the swastika was the wheel of life, was the turning of life, the Hindu symbol of, of, of peace or whatever it meant. But it was a healthy symbol of growth and change. And then this wild ideological party came along and co opted it and made it seem like an evil symbol.

[Tim Pool]

I, I, I've got to implore you to maybe perhaps watch some George carlin comedy. There's 1992, I think it was night two special where George Carlin literally says every racial slur imaginable and then ends by, by calling Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor the N word. Let me finish. And everyone laughs. And then George Carlin says it's not the word, it's the man behind them. And you know that I don't actually feel that way about these guys. The point he was making was that the actions of the individual matter, when Elon Musk grabs his chest and then grunts and throws his arm, says my.

[Matt Walsh]

Heart goes out to you. And he throws his energy out to the feet.

[Tim Pool]

But it doesn't matter if it resembled the Roman salute. It matters the man behind what had happened. And Elon was not hailing Hitler or praising an ideology. He was literally saying, thanks to all of you. My heart goes out to you.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So we ask ourselves, what is the intention? And who is the man behind the words? Elon Musk was not in the process of being a white supremacist.

[Phil Labonte]

And no one really believes that Elon Musk is a Nazi. Of course he's not. And if we lived in a sane. In a saner culture, then we could just have a laugh about, like, it's objectively kind of funny that, that he. That he made that gesture and he meant to say what it meant for him was, I'm sending my heart out to you.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, that's just funny. So you laugh at it and then you move on. But to your point about. About icons, I mean, it goes back to. Not all icons are the same, but also this is just part of what it means to be a human being. Like we symbolism and icons. It. Me. It means something to us. I think it's one of the things that makes us people. I mean, if you show a symbol means nothing to, you know, a monkey or a rhinoceros, it means nothing to them. But to human beings, we imbue these things with meaning. And now if you want to get really, you know, utilitarian about it, and it's like, well, why. I mean, why that exact collection of. Of lines and stuff that looks like. Like, why does that matter? You know, and you could dissect it to death. But I think sort of the answer is, well, just. Just because we're human. I mean, it's. It's because we're human.

[Matt Walsh]

Sacred geometry and things like in cymatics where. Cause certain shapes.

[Phil Labonte]

Human. Human written language is. Is. These are all symbols. Letters are just symbols that mean. That mean something else, that stand for something else.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. It's actually quite simple. I can, I can explain to you. Iconography, they're simply human compression files. That's it. When. When. When Matt Walsh sees the symbol of the cross, all of the information related to Christianity is.

[Phil Labonte]

I.

[Tim Pool]

Lights up in his mind about this.

[Matt Walsh]

The, The. The Hebrew Alphabet. The ancient. The ancient text of the Hebrew Alphabet. I think they were sitting, like, if you study cymatics where you'll change the frequency and you have like sand on a vibrating membrane. It'll.

[Phil Labonte]

It'll.

[Matt Walsh]

You get these wild shapes and patterns will appear depending on what frequency. So these dudes are on a beach and they're. They have a goat skin and they're playing the drums and they're throwing sand, gets on the drums and they go, oh. They make a certain sound and then it makes a certain pattern and they're like, whoa. So they write that pattern down and they remember that's the sound of that shape and that's where Alphabet comes from, potentially.

[Tim Pool]

That's I. I don't think that's true because there's many different languages that have different symbols for different sounds. That's true. But let's jump to this next story. We've got this one from 404 Media. TikTok says it is not censoring Free Palestine comments. Users see something different. Well, we have this video where it says TikTok is dead. Free Palestine is now considered a symbol of hate speech. Take a look at this video. So in it you can see them type in Free Palestine as a comment. They then they're watching Hassan of all people, go to their notifications and refresh and refresh and sure enough, they. They show system notification. A comment you posted on the date was removed for violating our community guidelines. Now, apparently a bunch of people are reporting this, that when you go on TikTok tick tock and type in Free Palestine, you will get the comment removed. We can see a bunch of these comment details. Free Palestine removed 404 Media or I'm sorry, that looks like an ad or whatever, but many people are reporting the same thing. 404 media reports. Several tick Tock users posted screenshots on X and Blue sky showing a message they received after trying to comment Free Palestine. They're going to say, I tried this myself on Tuesday morning using two different throwaway TikTok accounts. Using one account, I could comment Free Palestine without a problem. The comment is still up. Using another, my Free Palestine comments were immediately removed repeatedly and I received a notification that I had violated the TikTok community guidelines. I could comment with a nonsense phrase, Free Shavicado using the same account, however, and TikTok didn't remove it. A spokesperson for TikTok told 404 the platform's policies and algorithms did not change over the weekend, adding, they're working on restoring US Operations back to normal. What I've heard from a lot of these people, they believe there's a conspiracy that when Tick Tock went dark, Donald Trump took it over and that it was now, it's now under the control of Israeli interests or something.

[Ian Crossland]

Is that illegal? Is that illegal to say in another country? Did they plug in the wrong country?

[Tim Pool]

Palestine, is it? I don't. I don't think it's illegal to say anywhere. Like, I don't even think in Israel to like, illegal to say.

[Ian Crossland]

Pretty wild now.

[Tim Pool]

Free Israel. You know, if you said something like pro Israel, there's a lot of countries that absolutely what you'd get in trouble for. I think in Malaysia, it's a crime to defend Israel. I could be wrong.

[Matt Walsh]

Whether they're being coerced into this or they're just like, whatever we got to do to maintain presence in the United States. You want us to ban the enemy of the country you're supporting in war, then we'll ban it. Whatever you got to do. We want our spy tech in your country.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't support it, but I don't know what's going on. I mean, this is really vague.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, look, at least you can still shout fresh avocado.

[Ian Crossland]

That is really encouraging.

[Phil Labonte]

That's my. That's my. That's my. That's my number one issue.

[Ian Crossland]

I think everyone should just switch over to saying that. And if that gets banned, then you'll know.

[Matt Walsh]

Delicious food, by the way.

[Ian Crossland]

From the river to the sea.

[Tim Pool]

Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen are listed as having some restriction on expressions of support for Israel. So there. There are a lot of countries I don't know that any country bans. You saying anything about Palestine, though.

[Ian Crossland]

Interesting.

[Matt Walsh]

Just a private company.

[Tim Pool]

So the reason why this story is pretty big is because the argument was, and I believe this is true, it was only after October 7th and pro Palestinian content became prominent on TikTok that Democrats got on board with Republicans to force China to divest. I believe as we've gone over ad nauseam for most of. For those of you that watch every show, we pulled the data from Axios. That seems to suggest TikTok made an algorithmic change to promote pro Palestinian content. After October 7th, there were. There's 100,000 pro, 123,000 pro Palestine comments. It was, I stay with Palestine. Only 11 million views. In the next week, with 87,000, it jumped to 285 million views, which is indicative of an algorithmic push. I am not telling you to support one country or another. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying after this change happened, Democrats, Democrats all of a sudden changed their tune and said, yeah, we actually think this app should be banned. Now, if it is true that TikTok is actually banning free Palestine, perhaps they are trying to now court favor with those that sought their forced divestiture.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm confused. Is it that Democrats don't like Palestine or they don't like China.

[Tim Pool]

Democrats are. Presumably the argument is after this prism, this what appears to be an algorithmic change. Many groups lobbied to Democrats saying China has altered the algorithm in a way that subverts US Foreign policy interests. I see now, depending on which bubble you live in on the Internet, maybe you think the Jews control the world. These people think that Israel went and told them, we will destroy you unless you bend to our will. The reality is, if it is true that China, that ByteDance or TikTok or whatever changed the algorithm, going against American foreign policy, whatever it may be, is going to be terrifying to American politicians. And so they're going to say, hey, that's a security threat. And as much as a lot of people who hate Israel are saying it's a conspiracy, that's true. No, these politicians were on TV talking about this. Democrats and Republicans went on TV and said, the support, you know, the attacks on Israel that we see on the platform, it's bad for this country. So this had some people now speculating that TikTok was either seized, which is the conspiracy, by the US or this is what they need to do to, to avoid being banned, which is not the case.

[Ian Crossland]

But that's kind of annoying. Why don't they just change their algorithm so that people can say free Palestine without it becoming prioritized and like fake.

[Matt Walsh]

Trending just downrank it. Shadow ban it.

[Ian Crossland]

Just let it be what it is. It is.

[Phil Labonte]

Don't give it any particular rank.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, just let it be.

[Matt Walsh]

That's kind of a form of shadow banning.

[Tim Pool]

But no, no, it doesn't matter. Algorithms can't do that. Algorithms. What if they automate the algorithm? It is going to swing in one direction based on what the program dictates, and that's going to go before or against American foreign policy interests. And as we know in the United States, for the longest time, up until recently, our, Our social media was absolutely prioritizing the federal government's policy interests over the free speech of the American.

[Matt Walsh]

And this, I mean, Trump is more pro Israel, it seems, than Biden was.

[Tim Pool]

He.

[Matt Walsh]

He canceled foreign aid to every country on earth except Israel.

[Ian Crossland]

He's like pro. And a couple Israel, but also pro. Make a deal so Palestinian people could stop being killed too. Like, I think he's just. I think he's better on this just across the board than Biden.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, what's the, the reason I even brought that up is because I think that's why you're seeing the shift, is because they're, they're sympathetic To Trump being in office now like, well he's pro Israel so let's go a little less. Yeah, they want, it's all business.

[Tim Pool]

Tick Tock is going to want to operate four years safely. So they're gonna, they're throw Trump and conservatives a bone or whoever needs to hear it it. And then once Trump's out of office they're going to bomb the algorithm with Dylan Mulvaney and other like minded ideas that subvert the minds of the next generation. And right now it seems that many people in the conservative movement are in favor of what TikTok is doing and I think it's terrifying.

[Matt Walsh]

Can you clarify that? You said a couple other countries too. He didn't cancel foreign aid too. I don't know anything.

[Phil Labonte]

I believe there's a couple others and.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, do you know off the top of your head?

[Phil Labonte]

No, I think there was two cancel.

[Ian Crossland]

As much as we can notice. Makes me so, so happy. No more welfare queens across the world.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean I'm surprised that they wouldn't censor something like from the river to the Sea instead of Free Palestine, which seems a little bit more innocuous.

[Angela McArdle]

I, I mean I'm surprised that. I'm surprised that it is if it is being censored. It surprises me.

[Ian Crossland]

It surprises me too. That's, that's really not, that's not a scary phrase. I understand the arguments that like talking about hang gliders and freedom fighters of people who. You murdered other people. Okay. But it's like Free Palestine. Okay.

[Shane Cashman]

Well you know, even if I disagree with those, they should be allowed.

[Ian Crossland]

There you go.

[Shane Cashman]

And it sucks. But I surprised.

[Tim Pool]

I heard that. I heard that Trump paused for an aid and, and then yesterday someone said except for Israel, I think there are.

[Angela McArdle]

Others Israel, Jordan and Egypt, if I understand correctly.

[Tim Pool]

I looked that up. But I. Is that confirmed?

[Angela McArdle]

That's. I don't, I don't. That's what the information that I have, I can't.

[Tim Pool]

What I looked up didn't, I didn't see that. But let me try and get direct sourcing.

[Ian Crossland]

Hopefully we don't get more aggressive social media censorship.

[Matt Walsh]

Oh geez. I mean if the thing about Tick Tock is it is owned by ByteDance, which serves the CCP in a lot of ways.

[Ian Crossland]

Totally crazy, you know, unhinged platform.

[Matt Walsh]

It's like, I mean, I don't know the Chinese Communist Party. I don't know anyone in the party. I would love to but I have heard like yo, that's very bad. What they're doing is wrong. What they're doing is heavy. I mean, like full force, just violent shutting down protests. Like the Tiananmen Square massacre apparently was horrific. So I wouldn't be even remotely surprised. They're just like, smack it.

[Shane Cashman]

They have Uyghurs and concentration camps. They're terrible.

[Tim Pool]

That's. I don't know. Those countries are exempt.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, really?

[Tim Pool]

Let me just read just to make sure. So I'm reading. The executive order says 90 day pause in United States foreign development assistance for assessment of programmatic efficiencies and consistency with United States foreign policy. All department agency heads with responsibility for United States foreign development assistance program shall immediately pause new obligations and disbursements of development assistance funds to foreign countries and implementing non governmental organizations, international organizations and contractors, pending reviews of such programs for programmatic efficiency and consistency with the United States policy to be conducted within 90 days of this order. The office, the OMB, shall enforce this. Blah, blah, blah.

[Angela McArdle]

PBS is reporting that some of the biggest recipients of US Assistance, Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Angela McArdle]

But unlikely to see dramatic reductions as those amounts are included. Long term packages that date back decades or in, in some cases governed by treaty.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. That's presumptive. That that's them saying perhaps the executive order doesn't draw, doesn't have any exceptions. It literally just says we're going to review all four need.

[Ian Crossland]

Nice.

[Matt Walsh]

So he could like, right before he signs the order, be like, send them $100 billion. All right, no more.

[Tim Pool]

No more.

[Ian Crossland]

He could.

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Matt Walsh]

But he didn't.

[Tim Pool]

The president can't just give money like that.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, you're right.

[Tim Pool]

It's an act of money.

[Ian Crossland]

It's got to go through Congress.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Right. So, but this is a lot of these executive orders are interesting because Congress will pass a law like the TikTok ban, for instance, is a law passed by Congress, signed by the president, upheld by the Supreme Court. Trump has no authority to stop that. He can instruct federal law enforcement not to enforce it, but he cannot take away the penalties from companies. He tried to. But that's not within the scope of the President's powers. So as of right now, once again, Google has not restored TikTok. Trump's executive order was largely meaningless.

[Ian Crossland]

I think this is wild. I don't, I mean, okay, it's an act of Congress. I'm not a fan.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't think they did it right.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I'm not a fan on the.

[Tim Pool]

I'm a big fan of the ban of TikTok.

[Ian Crossland]

Tell me more, tell me why we.

[Tim Pool]

Why would we allow a foreign country to control mass media in the United States and a strong portion, not the biggest, not a majority, but a strong portion of our economy.

[Ian Crossland]

Couldn't we have worked out some other sort of deal so that didn't happen? Change your algorithm, don't open source the.

[Tim Pool]

Algorithm and give the US Full control of it.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know if we even need full control, but it's like, can we actually see what's going on? Maybe just a little bit of transparency.

[Tim Pool]

Nope. Because then they just show us that they're screwing over Gen Z and Gen Alpha and we watch them do it. Look, what people need to understand about TikTok or any other social media platform, even X, Facebook, YouTube, etc. Etc. Is that they're going to apply a. The system is going to be built on pressures they can apply. What YouTube did, and this is proven by data, was they created a recommendation algorithm that favored the left by a small percentage, but substantial, with the intention of stopping Donald Trump. There was a researcher in Australia who posted this and you could see that if you went to a conservative YouTuber's channel after you watch their video, there was a certain percentage of recommendation that would be liberal leaning. If you went to a liberal channel, you would get very little if any conservative. Meaning if someone, if someone said, hey, watch this video on immigration from Matt Walsh and you clicked on it after you were done, it would autoplay a liberal arguing the opposite. If someone said, hey, watch this video from, you know, the young Turks and you clicked it, the next video would be another liberal arguing the same thing. That creates a flow towards the ideology they want. TikTok is doing that. Look, there was a.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it different than what YouTube does, though? I mean, how different is it?

[Tim Pool]

The difference is that in the United States, I can file a lawsuit against YouTube. We can elect a president who then issues an executive order and YouTube bends the knee and apologizes. I can file lawsuits about violation of contracts. I can't do that with the Chinese Communist Party.

[Ian Crossland]

Talk is owned by China, though. I thought it was not the entire company.

[Tim Pool]

Right. It's a small percentage that. And that's why they have to divest from it. It because they do collect the data. Some of the reports that have come up about what TikTok collects, they inject JavaScript keyloggers. If you open any links through the app and it's been reported, and this could be wrong, reported that it collects data from other apps on your phone. That data goes outside this country to a foreign adversary. But I'm not even as concerned that's very terrifying. If those reports are true, maybe they're not. The worrying thing to me is that Dylan Mulvaney had 13 million followers and Riley Gaines had 600,000. That stuff's patently obvious. Prominent Trump supporting and conservative voices were banned. And that's why, that's why Trump and conservatives came out initially and said, we have to shut this down. They are attempting to swing the politics of the United States.

[Phil Labonte]

Let me, let me ask you that, because this is an issue that I haven't staked up very, very firm ground on, which is one of the things that sucks about what we do is that everything that happens, you're never allowed to go. I'm not sure exactly how I feel about that. You have to immediately know exactly how you feel, feel. But that's not. Sometimes I'm just like, okay, I could kind of see from both ways. And this is one of those things. I can kind of see it both ways. My, my, and, and I, I do agree with you that the, the, to me, the more compelling aspect of the argument is about how this is harmful to kids and how it's polluting the minds of children. To me, just as a parent, in the way that I think I care, I care more about that. The stuff about the Chinese government is, well, it's like, like everything we do on our phone, you know, nothing we do is private. All the information is out there. It's like, so it's, it's hard to even fear monger about that stuff anymore. None of us have any privacy at all every time. So, but that part does, does resonate. But then my, my issue with that is, you know, okay, so you ban Tik Tok. Well then there's approximately 600 billion other websites and apps that are just as harmful to the young mind. And then they just go to that. So part of me thinks if we're going to get to the point now, like banning an app, that's a big step. And I'm not, I'm not necessarily opposed to big steps. Sometimes you got to, especially to protect kids. I'm. Big steps, okay, but it's like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't start with TikTok. I would start with like, we're not only fans. I mean, it's literally a prostitution app. This is a, this is a, a multi billion dollar cyber prostitution ring. Why don't we ban that? Well, so, and then, and then get to start talking about some of these social media apps.

[Tim Pool]

So the way I view it is we here in the United States have a set of rules, laws, and absolutely, let's have Congress ban only fans or at least require submitted IDs to these things to prove your age and, and, and protect children the way we would in the real world. And just. And so my view is largely two things can be bad. So right now my concern is, I'll put it this way. YouTube, Facebook, X, they were manipulating us for political ends. And we challenged them. There were whistleblowers, there were journalists who did great work. There were lawsuits that we won, that got information revealed. There were debates. I had a debate with Twitter's executives, with Joe Rogan, and we won. We called them out and we swayed the American mind and we have affected positive change. Imperfect but positive change. So far. We will never know what the algorithm of TikTok does. TikTok is banned in China. They won't let their kids watch it. They don't let their country use it. And ByteDance, which is Chinese owned and owns a portion of TikTok, has access to the data as well as control over the algorithm. And you know, in China, if the Communist party comes to you and says do it, they will. So I understand that there are many different bad things. China buying farmland is a bad thing. Let's stop that too. I think OnlyFans is horrifying and there should be restrictions. I don't think it is a simple issue of this is an app that's bad for the minds of our kids. So we're gonna ban it. It's. This is out of the control and scope of the United States. We can ban OnlyFans. We can file lawsuits. We can change the law.

[Angela McArdle]

Law.

[Tim Pool]

We have changed the law for TikTok. It's not a ban. It's a forced divestiture. So. So they, China can sell off their portion to an American company and then it's no problem.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I will say that being still kind of on the fence on it, I will say that to see some conservatives, I mean, it's one. If you're conservative, you're like, well, I don't. I'm against the ban for these principled reasons. Okay, I can get that. But I am uncomfortable to see some conservatives that seem like have. Have circled the wagon around Tick Tock to the point that they're now like very pro Tick Tock, where Tick Tock is a good thing. And no matter where you stand on the ban, we should all at least be on the same page that this is just objectively not good for like to have kids who just spend all Day scrolling this damn thing and watching these videos. Your whole life is this. I mean, we've got kids. This is their whole life now. Their whole life is just. And I know I'm a billion other people complain about this, but it is. This is. This is a major crisis to have entire generations of kids who. This. It's not even a human existence. It's like, it's this. It's this robotic existence of just staring mindlessly at this. You're having your mind controlled by an algorithm. So we should at least all remember we stand on the band. It's like this is not a good thing. And we should all be able to agree on that.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. And have you seen our breakdown of Dylan Mulvaney's content in the past? I'm not assuming you did. I'm assuming you probably haven't.

[Phil Labonte]

No, I don't think so.

[Tim Pool]

We. We. When. When this whole Dylan Mulvaney Bud Light thing was going on, I, in my research, pulled up Mulvaney's posts and went to the earliest posts and what do you find? Dylan Mulvaney was doing something called Gay Safari.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And he was a theater kid, gay singer who was trying to make a show. He was trying to be famous. There's the viral video where Dylan Mulvaney goes on the Price is Right and wigs out. That's the best way to describe it. Yeah. Runs around in circles, does a fake rowboat, rolls around on the ground and carries like.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, slapstick, very.

[Tim Pool]

Slapstick, very much. Please look at me. Dylan Mulvaney created a series of videos that weren't really getting any traction. Eventually Mulvaney made a video, something about coming out as non binary. The views were higher. Then some Gay Safari videos and some other videos that didn't really get a lot of views. And then I'm trans. More views. What had happened was the algorithm told Dylan Mulvaney, we will promote this and not this that, but not this. And so Dylan Mulvaney was making content. Some worked, some didn't. And as soon as Mulvaney did the trans thing and got a bunch of views, Mulvaney then started doubling down, increasingly undergoing body modification to adhere to what the algorithm had demanded of him, now making Dylan Mulvaney what Mulvaney is today. If you look at the some of the earliest Dylan Mulvaney Days of Girlhood videos, it is obvious satire. Dylan Mulvaney, undergoing no treatments or surgeries, insulting women in a comedic routine, saying, now that I'm a woman, I'm gonna go buy a dress that Costs too much money and complain about, you know, just very offensive stereotypes about women. But how do you chase the algorithm if every day you have to do 1 degree more? Instead of going back to doing Gay Safari, which wasn't popular, Dylan Mulvaney did what the algorithm told him to do, which is get surgery.

[Shane Cashman]

I agree the algorithms are all bad and they harm children. But I'm going to connect it to how we were talking about rights and crime earlier. I think we need like a renaissance and good parenting again because I see so many parents outsourcing their parenting to the Internet and they're. These kids are, are stuck in doom scroll, you know, life and trying to get back to actually raising children.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I agree with the principle. Just, I just want to speak to that for a minute because. And I hear that response anytime I talk about. I mean, one of my big, big issues is at least age verification on, on all these porn sites. Should. I mean that there's, there's no argument against it, not, not any rational one. And I'm very much in favor of banning a lot of these sites outright, which I know puts me, you know, the libertarians won't go along with that. But the. So what? I often, I often hear that. I often hear, well, this is about the parents. Parent. Parents should do their jobs. And I agree. But also it, I think sometimes we understate just how rigged everything is against parents. It is, it is.

[Angela McArdle]

Is.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

So difficult. Like, how do you. Your kids are going out into a world where this stuff is everywhere. It is just everywhere. And so we parents need a little help. We can't do it all on our own. Now, I, I've gone as extreme as you can on this issue with my own kids and that my kids don't have phones. We just don't do phones. We don't do Internet in the house. It's not going to last forever. Like, eventually they're going to have a phone.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And for a lot of other kids, you know, they, they do have phones. And I'm, I'm opposed to giving your kids a phone, but it's, you know, it's, it's not this extreme move A lot of. And then also, even if you don't give your kid to a phone, a phone, if they go to school somewhere, my kids are homeschooled. But if they go to school somewhere, they're around kids that have it and friends have phones. Right. They go to a friend's house and so they still have access to all those screens. And so it's just imp. The. The parent. You can't. Unless you're going to lock your kid in a room until they're 18 years old and give them no access to any kind of media. Unless you're going to do that. They're going to. Yeah, yeah, they're going to have access to it. And so. But then there's this attitude of like, we're not going to do anything to help parents on this at all. And I just don't get that. And there are. Because there are basic things that are low cost, require almost no sacrifice, age verification on these sites. What's the downside? The only downside is for the porn sites.

[Tim Pool]

I have an idea. I was talking with Allison about this because, you know, we're having our kids soon. And I said, why don't we build an underground bunker where everything looks like the 90s and we will raise our child for 18 years as if it was the 90s with 90s technology. And you can't go outside because the air is poisonous. And then one day, when she's old enough, expose her to what the world is really like.

[Phil Labonte]

That's like, that's the End Life channel. That's the Village.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, the other, the other concern aside from parenting, though, is millions of people had shops on here and they made a living on here. And they weren't all just like insufferable Dylan Mulvaney clickbaiters. They sold T shirts, they sold mugs like a TikTok shop. And a lot of people got really hurt.

[Tim Pool]

And that's the manipulation. They dangle a crying woman in front of you and say, but look at the poor asylum seeker as the child traffickers are running across the border. So TikTok says, we have 7 million entrepreneurs selling mugs and shirts. Why won't you let us corrupt the mind of your children? And I say, I'm not going to be swayed by the sympathies of the average of these people. I get it. I feel bad for them. But the first thing we see when Trump signs his executive order was these journalists put out videos of crying migrant women. Well, sure, because they're trying to manipulate you into accepting that we are being exploited and abused in extreme ways. So, so TikTok has a lot of good people on it, and that's fine. But if all we are asking is the company divest from a codified foreign adversary, that's not unreasonable. You want to sell your mugs, you go ahead and do it. It. But these, this, this company has access to a foreign security threat that's going to manipulate the algorithm and it's going to take our data. So we just asked them, sell it off, make your money, let the company operate. And they said no. And TikTok of their own volition, shut down. The law did not require them to do so. They faked that. And then they came back and said, thank you, Donald Trump, for bringing us back. Never did. TikTok is still banned in the App Store on Apple and Google because that's what the law actually did.

[Ian Crossland]

Are they going to divest?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Matt Walsh]

You know what?

[Tim Pool]

They said they won't do it.

[Ian Crossland]

Do we think Donald Trump can convince them?

[Tim Pool]

No. And the question I have for you guys then is if it's about making money and running a business and bytedance only owns a portion of Tick or China only as a portion. These investors only own a portion. Why not just sell? You've got the brunt of the US Government saying sell or lose everything. They chose to go to zero instead of $20 billion.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm curious.

[Angela McArdle]

Looking to use. They want to use their influence over the American people to try and get the American people to, to convince politicians to change. But also, if I truly believe that if TikTok isn't like, if the Chinese Communist Party is removed from Tick Tock totally, then it's not. It's of no value to the Chinese Communist Party. So they don't want to. To divest because it's, it's a, it's an apparatus of, of money.

[Tim Pool]

Money is not a consideration for the Chinese Communist Party that you have to ask yourself, especially in international exchange, what is money? Money is largely meaningless on the oil market. So when we, when we say China divest TikTok and China should be. There should be a divorce, divestiture, they're thinking to themselves, $10 billion doesn't move the needle for us.

[Matt Walsh]

Oh, and if they.

[Tim Pool]

The ability to convince 170 million Americans that Osama bin Laden was right, which was happening on TikTok, is worth more than a trillion dollars to these people.

[Angela McArdle]

It's, it's an, it's a, it's absolutely about espionage and influencing American opinion.

[Matt Walsh]

I think if they did sell to an American company, they would have the algorithm. They'd be like, you've been doing what for the last five years with our.

[Ian Crossland]

People have a share. Do we have a shareholder statement? I would. I haven't read anything.

[Tim Pool]

I don't. It's not publicly traded.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I understand now. I understand.

[Tim Pool]

You know, so, so there is, I believe, as of recent private Shareholders. Yes, there is a, I believe there's a conservative billionaire who owns a small piece and the reporting is several prominent individuals in Trump's sphere were paid to lobby on behalf of TikTok and they did. And so while I deeply respect Charlie Kirk for all the work he did in helping Trump get elected, I will absolutely criticize his 180 degree spin from demanding the ban of TikTok over and over again to the without any real reason. I don't understand why he flipped and said Trump saved TikTok. We did this. Hooray. I don't understand where he's coming from with that.

[Phil Labonte]

Matt, you've said earlier, what's the reason.

[Tim Pool]

That he, I've not seen one, maybe that's just me, but he has, he had, he had been leading the charge in the, in 2020, Trump called for the banning of TikTok because it was censoring conservative opinion and propping up the likes of, you know, Dylan Mulvaney. As one example, Charlie Kirk was very much for years saying we must ban it's a CCP threat. I've not heard an explanation where he says it's no longer a threat from the ccp.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, and I'm not familiar with his view then versus now, but I will say in fairness to Charlie that, you know, people change, people can change their, their views on this. You know, people, people, people change their opinions. Yeah, and that's, that's one of the, that's one of the, like I said, one of the problems being in our position is that we have to have an opinion on everything right away. The other thing is that whatever your opinion is, it has to stay that forever. You're not allowed to change your opinion.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but some, some, some, I, I, I would agree with you to a certain extent. Some things are fact questions that I don't understand why your opinion would change. Matt, if you ever came to me and told me you decided to agree on child sex changes, I'd think someone hit you on the head or something like that. That's not possible.

[Ian Crossland]

This is a little more complex than that, though. I mean like, not if, not, not.

[Tim Pool]

If you spent years saying this is a CCP threat to the United States and now you're saying, hooray, we have TikTok back.

[Ian Crossland]

I assume that he is assuming that President Trump is going to get them to divest or make some sort of change, perhaps.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not saying he doesn't have a reason.

[Ian Crossland]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

But I would say it is rather strange how in lockstep so just decided to march with. One by one, prominent conservatives changed their opinions without real explanation.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, you know, one criticism I have over the conservative community is they usually are pretty lockstep.

[Tim Pool]

I, I would say tendency. Not absolutely.

[Phil Labonte]

It's often the opposite.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

You think so?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And the woke are the ones who are marching in lockstep.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, they're, they're like hive mind. I mean, I would say that that's.

[Phil Labonte]

That'S from my perspective, you know, on the right, it's, it's a constant and it's been a little different for like the last couple of weeks because of the feeling of victory and everything. We're feeling good, but generally the problem is almost the opposite, where we're not unlocked up about anything. It's just this constant infighting and backbiting and that is feuding and all of this.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe that's, I guess that's encouraging for me to hear because I. With, you know, there's only one true libertarian and it's every, you know, libertarian for himself. And it always seems like the conservative community has it together a little bit more with it. With the exception of the explosion of, you know, the Israel controversy recently.

[Tim Pool]

The right is currently right now, or however you describe what the right is. I don't know, debating tick tock, not marching in lockstep. They're interesting. There were a few prominent individuals who came out in favor of tick tock, like a 180. And then lesser. I don't mean lesser morally, but like smaller personalities with lesser followings all of a sudden inverted their positions as well and started arguing. I would look, with all due respect, I'm going to criticize people where they deserve it. Riley Gaines posted an image of Chinese farmland in the United States and said, how is TikTok a bigger threat than this? My first response is a single federal agent with a clipboard can seize all of that farmland with no question, but you can't seize back the mind of 170 million people outside of that. The image that was shared by Riley showed that the entire island of Hawaii had been purchased by China, which is clearly not correct. So there are people sharing these fake memes that are engaging in sophistry to defend a platform that has a foreign adversary in control of it. And there doesn't seem to be a legitimate reason. Two things can be bad.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm sure you've, you've thought about this, but have you. If you had, you know, know, Charlie and Riley, whoever else on the show, and you guys debated this, I would want. As someone who's a squishy fence rider on this thing, I'd be very interested to watch that debate with you guys.

[Ian Crossland]

I am also a squishy fence rider on this. I thought Matt Walsh and I would be like, like fire and gasoline, but we're, we're not like, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

One of the biggest fears. Are you guys familiar with Elsa Gate?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You're familiar with Elsa Gate?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Matt, you know, the, the. This is, this is seven years ago. So you don't.

[Ian Crossland]

This is when I have a toddler. So just recently.

[Tim Pool]

But you know, it started with these long form unspoken videos emerging of Elsa. People dressed like Elsa, Spider man and the Joker chasing each other around. What was happening was people were putting iPads in front of their babies and pressing play. The auto player would then choose the top keywords for children. Spider Man, Elsa, Joker, the Hulk and. But the Hulk wasn't really in a lot of those videos. And then it would autoplay it for the baby who could not choose what it was watching. This devolved into absolute psychotic content. Images of children eating feces, men injecting saline for no reason into little girls. Thumbnail images of children drinking out of urinals. And it was because the algorithm was promoting these things. Babies weren't choosing it. And individuals were using computer programs to just generate what they would. They would look at the Twitter, the YouTube API, sorry, not Twitter. And look at what was. What was hitting views for children. And then they would inject those things into a program which would auto generate these videos, which became increasingly disturbing. Videos of a teddy bear brutally beating a child while the child is forced to eat out of a toilet were extra. Were getting tens of thousands, millions of views. And then you got the Finger Family song where people in India started making these absolutely insane videos, the most famous of which was Hitler with a woman's body in a bikini doing Tai chi with the Incredible Hulk while an Indian family sang the song Finger Family. This was the algorithmic chaos. It wasn't intentionally done. So when I look, when I see problems like this and this is causing psychological disorders in children because this is not reality where we end up in 10 years. Things, things are starting to get a bit crazier as these kids are growing up. This, the algorithmic problems we saw with the prominence with the pushing of wokeness and other leftist ideas was corrupting a generation. We were largely defeating that. And I felt very optimistic, especially now with Mark Zuckerberg apologizing with Elon Musk buying X. Now we have TikTok, which is unaccountable and doing the exact same thing. And we have conservatives cheering for TikTok to remain able to continue doing what we have been fighting for nearly a decade.

[Matt Walsh]

This ties in. This is what I've been thinking and wanting to say for about 20 minutes now. Matt, you brought up interesting people getting embedded in the machine. Children, especially, like, this is their life. I am in the machine. I'm concerned that humans are evolving and that we will, if this continues, evolve into two different species. Literally a technocratic, like a. Like a cyborg human that is fully reliant on this, that has the AI doing its thinking for it, becomes a hive mind. And literally that there will be a war between these species, like Neanderthal and hominid. A Homo sapien, like, you can't have two alpha species on the planet.

[Tim Pool]

All right, well, first I'll pause you because you have made tremendous leaps.

[Matt Walsh]

It's a more general look at the danger of children being embedded in the tech.

[Tim Pool]

Getting to two species and then getting to the war between them is very far in the future.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, nipping it in the bow.

[Tim Pool]

We do have to go to super chats, though. We're way behind. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know, Become a member. [e-mail] we have an uncensored conversation with Angela earlier. We recorded before the show because we do have. We have time constraints here where we are. But it was an interesting conversation about Russell Brick. You're meeting with Donald Trump, so if you want to watch that, it's on. Timcast.com should be up right now and it's very fascinating. And you'll get access to our discord community. Over 20,000 people, probably more at this point, all hanging out pre shows after shows. There's a litany of community and content that's being produced there and they want to be friends with you. But let's read your super chats. Alpha Turkey says. Tim, do you still stand that Trump will be a marginally good president or be far better than the first term? Also welcome, Matt. I stand corrected. I said Trump would be a marginally good president like he was in his first term. He'll get another chance to do so. But in these past few days, the dude walked right up and hit a grand slam. So I'm much, much more optimistic. And I would change my. My statement to say, I believe Trump is going to be the greatest president of my lifetime. He already is. But I will say that is. It's a low bar Practically on the ground, as it were. But Trump is going to be an absolutely great president who's already done tremendous things. I'm curious if you guys agree.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm skeptical of opera, of project Stargate and building a digital God with the $500 billion shrine to AI that all those companies are putting together that he announced yesterday. That's the one thing I love everything else but that is concerning to me.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I'm skeptical of Stargate and working with OpenAI after the whistleblower stuff has come out. I think there' some concerning things there.

[Shane Cashman]

Don'T even talk about.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean it's a, I feel like aside from that, we have a huge upward trajectory and the vibe shift in the United States is amazing and I feel really good since the inauguration.

[Angela McArdle]

I kind of echo the feeling about Open AI. I am concerned about Sam Altman. I don't think that he's a standup guy. But that being said, people that are concerned about AI overall, I mean, look, look, if the United States doesn't do it, China or another country is going to, I get it.

[Shane Cashman]

Because it's inevitable doesn't mean it's good. And it's going to replace humans.

[Angela McArdle]

It's, I don't, I, I disagree with that. But it'll happen. I, I don't, I don't believe that it's going to replace humans. But I do think that like, if you allow, like if we don't have the, the, if we're not cutting edge on AI, then you're going to fall behind and then, you know, a country like China that is on the rise can use the incredible benefits that AI will marketplace and can overtake a country.

[Shane Cashman]

Like the United States and they're selling Stargate as these beautiful benefits. So the same way Elon sells Neuralink which the short term benefits are beautiful, cure these different diseases. You know, OpenAI, they're saying they're going to cure cancer, but they're going to build a giant surveillance day apparatus that'll be way worse than anything we could possibly imagine. Yeah, I think that's predictive programming, like programmatic policing. All these things are going to be.

[Matt Walsh]

Very ugly very soon through so Stargate program right now. Its point is it will map your, I think your personal genome and then can craft medicine that's directly tailored to your body through the MRNA medicine. And I think MRNA's got really vilified over the last five years because of the, a lot of the mandates of the vaccines and things that the MRNA was new and. But that doesn't mean it's bad. It could be extremely valuable to be. But you are right about it. Tailoring and mapping your genetics and having access to it, which could also create bioweapons, particularly against your genetics.

[Tim Pool]

You know, let's, let's. We'll just. Just trying to move on. Get some more super ch. We got this from SM69. He says in December the NSA renamed their DEI department to EOD. They just changed the name again to EEO A. Their web page is still up and lists all of Biden's woke EOs and NSA's woke internal policies as operating guidance. The page is hosted on an internal network inaccessible to the public. That's creepy. That's what I was referring to earlier though, that they're trying to rename these departments to avoid getting terminated.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, time to fire it.

[Tim Pool]

Him.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, Cash Patel said there's a way to fire him. You just have to work harder and you just have to do it. Look up, ask them what do you do if they can't answer you in eight seconds? Fired.

[Tim Pool]

These guys should have been confirmed already for sure. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Who? Cash?

[Tim Pool]

All of them.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yes. And everybody needs to go and call and lobby your senators. Senators in particular, especially if you're in Maine or Alaska. Tell your senator that you want them to vote for Cash.

[Tim Pool]

They're dragging their feet. All right. Jason says I work in DoD Public Affairs. We scrubbed our websites of all the DEI nonsense today. It felt good, like smashing the printer in office space. I hear that zwave bro says Gun Owners of America posted on X that the ATF D I officer is now the executive officer. That's how they will keep it. Keep it around to get around it. We did bring that up.

[Angela McArdle]

Well, I mean they, they're going to try to do that kind of stuff, but that's okay. But thankfully because of platforms like X and people that are are looking to facilitate the change, these things are going to be brought to the attention of the up you know, the people in charge and hopefully you can. You'll. They'll be able to make adjustments and actually push to get these people fired for trying to hide.

[Ian Crossland]

We'll find them and we'll say like good job on trying to hide that. Best of luck in the private sector and see you later. You know, thanks for making my day more entertaining. And you're out.

[Tim Pool]

Tyler Bratton says the Chicken amendment is already covered under one of the greatest amendments, the ninth Amendment, which stands states the enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to Deny or disparage other, retain others, retained by the people. Wrong, I say. So the purpose there is that just because we enshrine some rights doesn't mean other rights are not, you know, non existent or whatever. The problem is we do need to, to write down the things that we want to be upheld because there are many states that ban chicken ownership. And it was funny because I was talking with Thomas Massie. I don't know if you mentioned this on the show. I think it was before the show, perhaps we were talking about an amendment for the right to grow your own food and be secure in your ability to eat and grow healthy food and things like this. Because he has an Amish raw milk supplier, I guess he was talking about. And my joke was that the chicken amendment, we wrote it up to be silly and to be in the style of how they would have written it a long time ago in reflecting the second Amendment, which is the joke, but that it would be interpreted to mean more than chickens. That is, individuals should have the right to grow their own food and consume as they see fit without government interference. That would need to be codified because that is infringed upon every single day in this country.

[Ian Crossland]

Absolutely. Yeah. I'm a big, I'm a big raw milk fan. I don't have chickens yet, but we get, I'm quite.

[Shane Cashman]

How are we getting raw milk these days?

[Phil Labonte]

I'm still, still against it.

[Ian Crossland]

We. Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Actually I'm with Matt on this one.

[Ian Crossland]

My toddler.

[Phil Labonte]

I like my milk without bacteria.

[Shane Cashman]

No, it's good bacteria.

[Ian Crossland]

We like it. My toddler and I both chug raw milk. Very nourishing.

[Shane Cashman]

All three of my kids and us, we've been doing.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't like if I'm getting milk, I always say hold the E. Coli. So I don't, so it's.

[Shane Cashman]

Did you got to embrace the E. Coli.

[Ian Crossland]

I know there's different types of E.

[Tim Pool]

Coli, but, but Matt, do you, do you believe that it should be illegal to buy raw milk?

[Phil Labonte]

Illegal. And anyone who has it should be shot on the spot. Oh, no, no, I don't A, no, I don't think it should be illegal. If you want to, if you want to, if you want to consume cow feces, I think you should have the right to do so.

[Shane Cashman]

Have you tried it?

[Phil Labonte]

But I did, I was, yeah, really good.

[Ian Crossland]

I, I, I mean, what about, you.

[Phil Labonte]

Know, it's like I was on Alex Clark's podcast and she gave me raw.

[Tim Pool]

Milk and made you watch anime and dare.

[Ian Crossland]

We don't do that.

[Phil Labonte]

Torture.

[Ian Crossland]

We don't do that. We don't do that. We got, we got standards.

[Phil Labonte]

I drank it. I could feel my throat closing up. I was, was. It was a near death experience.

[Matt Walsh]

It might have been killing a lot of the bad stuff on you. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

We, we have a lot of farms out by us and they have to sell it as pet milk, which literally says not for human consumption. And everybody knows exactly what it is. But I'm actually with Matt. I'm not, I'm not a big raw milk person. I also don't, I don't like the store. I don't like the generic store bought plastic stuff. I like getting good organic milk, but pasteurized.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, the truth is I don't drink milk at all because I'm not, not ate, you know. Well, so someone, so someone said something to me.

[Tim Pool]

But what if you're eating peanut butter? Yeah, I'm.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm breastfeeding, so.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, there's that. So, so one. So I think the, the more interesting contrarian view on milk is what someone told me that, well, really humans shouldn't be drinking cow's milk at all.

[Ian Crossland]

God gave us dominion over this earth. That includes cow milk.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, in no other. This, this is not my argument. I'm just, I'm just testing the water to. But the, the no other species do they drink. No other. No other mammal drinks milk past childhood. And no other mammal drinks the milk of another.

[Ian Crossland]

Sure.

[Shane Cashman]

Elevated.

[Tim Pool]

That's not true. That's not true. Animals will drink other animals milk. They just don't harvest it and then drink. You know what I mean?

[Ian Crossland]

Bring it to their families because they're not smart enough.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that's what this guy said. I thought it was an interesting contrarian.

[Ian Crossland]

That's a vegan argument is what that is. That is a hardcore vegan vegan.

[Tim Pool]

All you got to do is scroll Instagram. All you gotta do is scroll Instagram long enough and you will find one of these stories where it's like a mama cat adopted an orphaned mammal of some sort and things like this and.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but the adult, you know, animal of that species doesn't drink milk.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, that's true. That is totally true.

[Matt Walsh]

They evolved to drinking their blood and eating their meat.

[Tim Pool]

But to be fair, humans eat a lot of things here in D.C. like that animals would never go near like cheesecake cake. Well, I mean we've, we've invented weird disgusting chemical additives to foods.

[Angela McArdle]

Put cheesecake down in front of your dog and tell me your dog doesn't Eat cheesecake.

[Matt Walsh]

Is the idea about raw milk that it's more prone to getting, like, in. In overly bacterified?

[Ian Crossland]

The deal with raw milk is you don't want raw milk from some gross city factory farm. You want it only from a place that's, like, clean, which is how people used to consume milk. Milk pasteurization happened once factory farming happened. And I'm not trashing factory farming. I'm just saying, like, when you cram a bunch of animals together like that, you have to be extra clean because things get kind of nasty.

[Phil Labonte]

But I would argue that there's no such thing as a clean farm. I mean, there's animal all over the place.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, there's different definitions of clean.

[Matt Walsh]

I support like. Like stem cell meat growth because you're bypassing all the feces going through that cow. You don't have to eat the garbage.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I'll pass on that, but I love that for you.

[Tim Pool]

You. All right, let's grab this one from Hitman Zarelli. Says Lena Del Rey is honestly in my top five artists. Dean Martin, Molat, Doma, Big Al Downing, Lena Del Rey, Selena. Listen to Brooklyn Girl, West Coast. Salvatore Diet, Dew, Mountain. Diet Do Mountain. Phil. Is that. It is. Will know what I'm talking. Oh, Phil Will know what I'm talking about. Diet Do Mountain. Okay. There's no commas. So I was trying to figure out Do Mountain.

[Matt Walsh]

Are you familiar with that?

[Angela McArdle]

No, not at all.

[Shane Cashman]

Lana Del Rey's cover of Country Roads is incredible.

[Tim Pool]

Is.

[Angela McArdle]

It really is incredible.

[Shane Cashman]

It's really good.

[Tim Pool]

I think she's good. I'm gonna. I'm not a fan, but just because I don't like her music doesn't mean I think it's bad.

[Matt Walsh]

I thought I heard video games. I thought it was long, slow, and boring, but I mean, it was kind of good.

[Tim Pool]

I'm. I'm offended by video games because it's a really good melodic song with the worst lyrics imaginable. If you don't know the song, I.

[Angela McArdle]

Don'T know the song now.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so it's like this really great melody that's very heartfelt, and the lyrics are like, it's you, it's you, it's all for you. But she's actually singing about just putting on a skimpy outfit where her. While her boyfriend drinks and plays video games and she goes down on him. And I'm like, you know, if she actually wrote, like, my husband came back from war, and I. And I was longing for him, and I was scared and terrified. I've Done all of this for you. Like, I'd be like, wow, that's so much an amazing song.

[Phil Labonte]

Who is this Lana Del Rey we're talking about? Yeah, she married the. The alligator guy.

[Shane Cashman]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Good for her.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't know who that is.

[Phil Labonte]

Who's the alligator guy she married? Just some, you know, normal dude. Dude. That alligator tour.

[Ian Crossland]

Swamp tour guy.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, swamp tour guy.

[Shane Cashman]

An airboat.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta be honest, he's a normal dude. I mean, that sounds like the coolest job ever. Like driving around.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, normal dude as in not a Hollywood guy. Yeah, not. Not a Hollywood weirdo.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it Florida or Louisiana? It's very Florida, man. Vibes. Where.

[Shane Cashman]

Florida vibes. I don't know where he's from.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I mean, riding around on a. On. What are those things called?

[Shane Cashman]

Airboats.

[Tim Pool]

Airboats, chasing alligator.

[Matt Walsh]

That's big fans on the back.

[Tim Pool]

That's actually. Honestly, that was my second choice after podcaster the American Dream. All right.

[Matt Walsh]

You could podcast from the boat.

[Tim Pool]

I actually stay up at night staring at the ceiling thinking about what. What could have been. All right, let's. Donna Lyna says the left sees criminals as victims of society. Had they not been treated unfairly by society, they wouldn't be committing crimes. I know that's how we logically view it, but I largely think they are just NPCs that simply hate you. We, we, we, we often try to apply logic to their actions to understand it, but sometimes there is no logic to be applied. They are simply contrarians who say right wing bad and whatever you are for, they're against.

[Matt Walsh]

There are like instances where someone's forced into committing a crime to survive. I mean, that does happen, but I don't think that's generally problem. Community gets racist and they're like, don't sell them any products. And he's like starting can't get food anywhere.

[Angela McArdle]

And he's believe that happens.

[Matt Walsh]

I'm sure in the world that kind.

[Phil Labonte]

Of thing can happen. In world history you have of crimes of survival.

[Angela McArdle]

But in the United States, do you believe that?

[Tim Pool]

I disagree much. I. I understand the point you're making, but it is still a choice. You're not being forced into it.

[Matt Walsh]

But even laws.

[Phil Labonte]

So if, If I, If I actually had. If my. If I was starving and my children were starving and someone had food and I went up and asked them for the food and they wouldn't give me any, I would then steal it from them. I would rob them and take the food in order. In order.

[Ian Crossland]

Good, dad.

[Phil Labonte]

So that my child will survive. Like I care more about my kid surviving than I do about the law and that. But, but that scenario is not happening in, in modern America.

[Tim Pool]

But my point is just that I understand you feel forced to do so because you have a great calling to protect your children. But it's still a choice.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it is choice. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Because like you could literally say we're going to go in the woods and rough it and forage and hunt and, and, and figure it out. The idea that there was, was, it's crazy to me that humans throughout all of history figured it out. But now with civilization, with this scenario where it's like I had no choice but to rob the marketplace.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, we forgot how to figure it out. That's, that's a lost art right there perhaps. I mean I think though like when it comes to criminals, I think that we do tend to have more compassion for people who are younger. We feel that their minds are not fully developed. They were in bad situations with their parents. We have more compassion for younger people. We don't have a lot of compassion for eight time felons who are out murdering people to the point that it becomes like a sick meme. So you know, that's, that's a big I think distinction between people who are die hard progressives and everyone else.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Ted Thornton says Americans until Gen Z and Alpha have, have had a Judeo Christian morals as a foundation. America is a Christian nation. The overwhelming even among liberals, secular Liberals in the 90s and millennials today, they don't know it, but they are, they have Judeo Christian world foundations. Bill Maher, who is the host of Religious has Christian moral foundations. And I think, I don't know to what extent he's actually researched his values and where they come from, but they come from the Christian world tradition. The easiest way to understand it is go to any Eastern hemisphere country and ask them why they don't have the fifth Amendment, why they don't have speedy trials, why they don't have a right to Confront their charity. 501c3 is.

[Matt Walsh]

Charity is a, is a Catholic virtue. It's the opposite of greed and it's codified into law that it's not taxable.

[Tim Pool]

And do you know why we have 501C3s? Because they are tax code versions of the church. Churches are tax exempt. We are allowed to see what they do with their funds and they can't engage in politics. And when these liberals say wow, these churches shouldn't be allowed to do this, that or otherwise. I'm like, okay, if you want to ban that and say they shouldn't. If you want to say churches shouldn't be tax exempt attempt. Because that was a big argument liberals reporting four for. I'll say totally correct and we'll get rid of five 1C 3s. And at the same time, I could.

[Matt Walsh]

See like the charitable aspects of churches being tax free, but other aspects of the churches being taxed. That's what tithing. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Do they take money literally, how they make money?

[Matt Walsh]

Well, you should be able to donate through their 501C3 then or something.

[Angela McArdle]

So it's tithing.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't know. Tithing is. I think it's different. You go in here.

[Ian Crossland]

That should be taxed. What's the action they take? That should be tax text.

[Matt Walsh]

You know, that's a good question because I don't know all of the ways that churches make money. Does Joel Osteen get ad revenue when he, when he.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, not everyone's Joel Osteen, but does.

[Matt Walsh]

He get ad revenue when he does his TV show?

[Tim Pool]

Because that should be taxed. Interesting sponsorships. So, but Joel, I disagree.

[Angela McArdle]

I think that churches like, yeah, churches like Joel Olstein's church, those are ex. Those are like a handful of churches and there are millions of churches.

[Ian Crossland]

I grew up country with my dad as a pastor and we had like, you know, we're lower middle income. You know, it was a small church.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well, the vast majority of churches are not rolling in cash. Although I'm, we would agree on this. I think. I'm, I, I would just say get rid of all income taxes.

[Matt Walsh]

Yes, I heard Trump is tending that. I don't know if it was fake news. Did you see that?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think that's going to happen. But that would be. He would automatically go down as the greatest president America. Honestly. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, my friends, it's been amazing, but as I mentioned, this is. We, we have a hard stop. We are going to be heading back to our home studio. Our last day in D.C. so thank you all so much for being members. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. And I mean that literally. It's not just a motto. Word of mouth really does help out and that's how we've actually been so successful. So thank you all so much. And become members. @timcast.com we've got the Uncensored Pre show with Angela McCardell talking about how she met Trump and the parting of Ross Ulbricht and what Trump Represents and we talk a bit about libertarians. It's a good fun. And of course you get access to our Discord server where there's tens of thousands of people that are asking why you don't want to be their friends. So you need to go sign up and hang out with everybody and have a good time. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Matt, do you want to shout anything out?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, we've. I've got my two movies that are on DailyWire.com. am I Racist is the. The latest one and doing really well on the platform. So go to dailywire.com become my member.

[Tim Pool]

Masterpiece. 10 out of 10. It. It is a resurgence of comedy films that we have not seen in decades because they've all become trash.

[Matt Walsh]

Was it a wig? Was it with the top knot? I guess.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, it was a wig.

[Matt Walsh]

Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

So good.

[Tim Pool]

There's a Matt Walsh fight scene. I recommend it.

[Matt Walsh]

It's.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It was really good.

[Phil Labonte]

Some real action choreography.

[Tim Pool]

I was in a packed theater and everybody couldn't stop laughing. Really, really good stuff.

[Angela McArdle]

That's some balls, brother.

[Matt Walsh]

That's awesome, man. Angela, that's like full Borat. Anyway, I'm fanboying a lot.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Shane Cashman]

Sweet. You can follow me online at. Shane Cashman and I host Inverter World Live every Sunday. We are anxiously awaiting the JFK paper release and the drone release. I like all those things. We'll be going over them on the show as soon as they come out.

[Phil Labonte]

Ian.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, Matt. Also Matt Walsh blog on Twitter. If you want to follow Matt on Twitter, follow him there. I'm.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Oh, yeah, baby. I'm at Ian Crossland and follow me as well. It's great to be here. Thank you for having me down here. Tim, Phil, good to see you. Everybody follow everybody here.

[Angela McArdle]

Just so everyone knows, Angela is the most effective LP chair possibly in history. She's done more for the party and more for America than any other LP chair ever at all.

[Tim Pool]

And, and I want to stress this.

[Ian Crossland]

Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

Played a big role in getting Trump elected.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, absolutely. That commitment to pardon Ross Ulbricht may have generated a decent solid percentage point. More or more votes for Trump got.

[Ian Crossland]

The bitcoin community off the couch, too. It was not a debate between Trump and Harris. It was a debate between Trump and not voting. And that, that energized that base.

[Angela McArdle]

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[Tim Pool]

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