William Wolf (2:55)

Hey, Phil, thanks to be good to be here today. First time longtime listener, first time caller. Great to be in the studio. I'm William Wolfe. I'm the executive director of the center for Baptist Leadership. We're trying to make Baptists great again, make America Christian again. I want to give a shout out to my wonderful wife, Lauren and my three boys, Evan, Jack and Daniel, who I think are watching live at home right now.

Phil (3:17)

Awesome. Thank you for joining us.

Ian Crossland (3:18)

William. You spend a lot of time in D.C. like you've been deep within years.

William Wolf (3:23)

10 years in Washington, D.C. worked for three different members of Congress, worked for Heritage Action and was a political appointee in the first Trump administration at State and DOD. I say I did 45 for 45. I was in for almost all four years. Honor of a lifetime.

Ian Crossland (3:38)

Good to meet you, man. I'm Ian Crossland. Happy to be here. I am an actor, social media entrepreneur. Been into social media since 1998. I was realizing last night when we started doing I started building email chains for my high school friends in college to keep us all connected through social media. Then we went to classmates. We got into Friendster.com, mySpace, Facebook, YouTube. The list goes on. Now let's make our own Libby.

Libby Emmons (3:59)

I'm Libby Emmons. I'm here from the post Millennial and Human Events. Glad to be here. Let's get into it.

Phil (4:05)

All right, so we're going to start off with this. About John Bolton from the AP FBI searches home and office of ex Trump National Security Adviser John Bolton The FBI on Friday researched the Maryland home and Washington office of former Trump administration national security adviser John Bolton as part of a criminal investigation into the potential mishand handling of classified information, a person familiar with the matter said. Bolton, who emerged as an outspoken critic of Donald Trump after being fired in 2019 and fought with the first Trump administration over a scathing book he wrote documenting his time in the White House, was not in custody Friday and has not been charged with any crimes, said the person who is not authorized to discuss the investigation by name and spoke to the Associated Press on the condition of anonymity. The search is seemingly the most significant public step in the Justice Department has taken against a perceived enemy of the president. Are likely to elicit fresh concerns that the Trump administration is using its law enforcement powers to target the Republican votes. I can barely even say that without chuckling, considering how they targeted Donald Trump when he was out of office. They go on to say they, they, they come as the Trump administration has moved to examine the activities of other critics, including by authorizing a grand jury investigation into the origins of the Trump Russia probe that dodged Trump, that dogged much Trump for much of his first term, and as FBI and Justice Department leaders signal their loyalty to the president. So this is, I mean, it's nice to see he's actually violated the law, which they're, you know, doing an investigation that's perfectly on the up and up. It's nice to see that the, the Trump administration, the doj, is actually applying pressure to people that, you know, have been not just critical, but, you know, they've had questionable dealings with the administration previously. Do you guys think that this is actually going to materialize in anything, considering that Bolton himself is not even. Not under arrest or. I'm not even sure if he's. If there's anything more than just, you know, searching his house. Now you want to take it away?

William Wolf (5:59)

Yeah, well, I'd say, you know, John Bolton's never met an invasion he didn't like until this morning when the FBI showed up at his home. Right. And really what's happening here is they're, they're picking up, this Trump administration is picking up on a former Trump administration Department of justice investigation into Bolton's potential leakage, handling of classified information in his book. I just have to say the irony's really thick because when Trump was getting, you know, raided and, you know, prosecuted for his handling of classified information, which he's a president and he can do, John Bolton said, well, Trump is very careless with this information. So I guess we're about to find out who's really careless now.

Phil (6:39)

Yeah. If this is, if, if I understand correctly, this is pertaining to like, like William Sully, his book.

Libby Emmons (6:45)

Right.

Phil (6:45)

That. That was questionable in the first place when the book was released.

Libby Emmons (6:48)

Right, right. I mean, there were some concerns early on this, something Jack Sobeck and I were talking about today. There were concerns early on in 2020 that when he released his book, perhaps he had used classified information to construct that book which was called the Room where It Happens, which I think it's funny cause he basically ripped that off from Hamilton. Cause that's, you know, that's Aaron Burr's song in the show. I love the show, but whatever. Yeah, so there was concerns about that, that it had been leaked while it was still in pre publication, leaked to the New York Times. And there were also concerns that he was every night apparen taking notes from his classified documents at the office and taking those notes home. So I think that it's, you know, I think it's certainly interesting to see what will happen with this. There's also arguments to be made that, you know, maybe there are too many classified documents. You know, this is something that we've heard Tucker Carlson say over the years. Maybe there's too many classified documents. But also I was watching MSNBC today looking for something and this woman was talking about how, you know, it's rich for Trump to be talking about classified documents since he had absconded with them. And she didn't mention at all that of course there's the Presidential Records act and the President can take classified documents and every president has taken classified documents. I mean, there's even the Bill Clinton socks case about how, you know, the President can keep classified documents in his sock drawer if he so chooses. But yeah, I think that, I think it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. And also this is a case that, this is not a new case, so to say that this is an intentional political prosecution. Now this was a case that the Trump DOJ brought in 2020 and the Biden DOJ dropped it.

William Wolf (8:35)

That's right.

Libby Emmons (8:36)

It's like bringing it back.

William Wolf (8:37)

When, when Bolton's book was coming out, they, they made a pass at blocking it. Right. And it didn't, it didn't go through. The judge didn't grant them that. But you know, Bolton's book, not only was it incredibly negative towards the President, again, Bolton thinks something like diplomacy is a dirty wor, rather drop bombs instead of have talks. But this does raise the question of classified information. Classified information is this sort of currency in Washington D.C. right. Everybody loves to get and leak classified information. And everybody does it. I mean, both sides do it, Republicans do it, Democrats do it. And how it's gonna be weaponized is a question here. But Bolton is again coming face to face with the fact that no matter how much he wants to be, he is not and will never be the President. And Donald Trump has been and is right.

Phil (9:28)

You know, you guys mentioned the over classification. I think that that's kind of typical of DC, if I understand correctly. And it's because they don't want people to ask questions or they at least don't want to have to answer questions. So the more, the more the bureaucracy can actually get classified, the better they like it because they can just, you know, brush off questions they don't have to answer. And then if they, if there's ever a time where their, their feet are held to the fire, they can just say, well, look, it's classified, I can't talk about it. You know, and it' it's not my, my fault. I'm not trying to hide anything. It's just that this is a class, this is classified information.

Libby Emmons (10:02)

They also pulled Bolton's security clearance and they did that in January, you know, and so this government, this administration is tightening things up and I think that makes a lot of sense because how sick are you of opening some story from the AP or wherever else that says unnamed unauthorized sources, you know, familiar with the matter, who are unauthorized to speak on it. And so they're speaking with anonymity, like, this is something, you know, when you're reporting on things, you keep looking at this and you're like, why do I believe you and your weird fake sources like, who are these people?

Phil (10:38)

Does this turn classified information or does the, the amount of classified information and how readily it's leaked by someone that just doesn't have to say their name, does that turn classified information into a currency? Does it make it something that people can look at and say, well, I can get favor with, with this particular media outlet or what have you? So.

William Wolf (10:58)

Well, yeah, not just a currency but also a weapon, like Lydia was just saying is that, you know, they can, I mean, Trump has been now in almost a decade long battle against the deep state who have primarily used intelligence agencies, so called classified information, falsified classified reports, the whole Russiagate hoax, to attack him and undercut him. And so look, I mean, I trust that Bondi and Cash Patel are doing the right thing here. They wouldn't, they wouldn't just be doing this to try to get back at John Bolton. Of all the bad actors out there, I mean, he's a bad one, but there's worse ones, so I would assume they have a legitimate reason to pick up on this investigation. But that said, it is, it is nice to see the Trump administration going after the really bad actors from the.

Phil (11:43)

First admin to your point, like John, as far as John Bolton as a bad actor, it's really more people saying they have a policy difference, you know, different approach than John Bolton, who. Yes. I mean, you made it clear that he's, he's a hawkish kind of guy and he, he thinks that, that flexing American military might is the best type of foreign policy. But that's different to someone like, say, Pete Schiff, who was literally lying about Donald Trump, lying about what information was out there regarding the Russian, the Russia probe, you know, lying to. Not just, not just to make people think that Trump was, was guilty of something that he hadn't done, actually try to get some kind of legal ramifications on the president in that.

Ian Crossland (12:28)

In along that vein, you'd think maybe that classified information, if it's accidentally taken home, would be treated much easy, less of a crime than if someone's maliciously utilizing it to, or, or using fake. Classifying something that's not real or saying they got, you know.

Phil (12:43)

Do you think that the stuff that we've heard is, has been accidentally taken home generally? I mean, we've got.

Ian Crossland (12:48)

No, I don't know what the. Biden and his.

William Wolf (12:50)

I don't think Bolton does anything accidentally.

Libby Emmons (12:51)

Yeah, I don't think a lot of it has been. People want to write their books, right? Like, Obama took stuff home to write his book. Biden took stuff home to write his book. This guy Bolton took stuff home probably to write his book. And I think that's a lot of what it is when stuff gets like, this is how politicians get rich off their time in office.

Ian Crossland (13:12)

Oh, selling secrets, million dollar deals. If it's like slipped in a box when they're carrying their stuff out and van's in their garage, that is like much less of a, a crime.

Libby Emmons (13:21)

No, no, no. With Biden, it was boxes and boxes of documents. It wasn't like just one classified document. And then everything else was fine.

Ian Crossland (13:29)

What was it with Trump at Mar A Lago?

Libby Emmons (13:31)

Trump was, it was stuff that he took home, but he was the president. He has the right to declassify things. And presidents take stuff home. Yeah, I think we, that's like what presidents do. And then what happened was the FBI, when they were framing up their case, they literally framed up their case. They put in cover sheets, they took all of this stuff and organized it in specific way, their own purposes and took photographs of it. They were essentially tampering with evidence to try and sway the public toward the idea that Trump had absconded illegally with classified documents.

Ian Crossland (14:02)

Like, they unsecured the evidence and then took pictures of it in an unsecured state.

Libby Emmons (14:06)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (14:06)

Claimed that he.

William Wolf (14:07)

Well, they staged it to make it worse than it was. So I think two points on the Bolton thing, Phil. I think what's going on here with Bolton is not just policy differences, is that Bolton used this information, I think, in a particularly malicious way to malign and undercut Donald Trump in his memoir. And in that sense, it's not just a policy difference, but it really is this ongoing and hopefully nearing an end struggle between the last gasp of the neocons who view Donald Trump, rightly so, as a repudiation of multi decades of their failed foreign policy. So it's not just a policy disagreement. They want to try to put a stake in the heart of MAGA if they can. And then the second thing I would say too is that, look, I appreciate that in many ways we're going tit for tat because we're either gonna have equal justice under the law or we're gonna have a two tiered justice system. We're only Republicans or only Donald Trump. You know, we're only Trump's associates get prosecuted and persecuted for these things. So it's good to see it going the other way.

Phil (15:07)

So to your point about trying to put a stake in the heart of MAGA or what have you, or a fight between MAGA and neocons, I think that it's, it's fairly obvious that the neocons are just going over to the Democrat Party, whether it be John Bolton or Bill Kristol or any of the guys at the Lincoln Project. They're all Democrats now. Even if they haven't officially changed their parties. They, they are, they're not just people like Joe Walsh. They're not just, you know, saying I'm a Republican or a conservative and Donald Trump isn't a conservative. They're actually promoting policies that the Democrats promote. Right. And whether that have nothing to do with, with, with Donald Trump. Right. Or that have nothing to do with conservatism. I saw Joe Walsh was posting about very pro immigration kind of things like you're, he's wrong to deport people. And when, when you, when you're doing that kind of stuff as a Republican or as a former Republican, you're, you're definitely not a Republican. It's not even a rhino situation. It's, it's, you're actually aligning with the Democrats because you don't like Donald Trump.

William Wolf (16:10)

Trump, yeah. Well, David French voted for Kamala Harris to save conservatism from it, from itself. Whatever, whatever that means.

Phil (16:17)

Yeah.

William Wolf (16:18)

All of them are just going down this path.

Phil (16:20)

Yeah. And so I think that it's more about trying to stay in the good graces of the bureaucracy in Washington than it is about having any kind of principled ideas that. That are. Are conservatively, you know, based in conservatism.

Libby Emmons (16:34)

Well, there's a huge. There's a huge sort of disagreement about what conservatism is at this point. Right. Because you have. So, like, what's conservatism? It's the idea of conserving things. And you have a situation now where most conservatives are really opposed to the conservation of American institutions that have been so poisoned by leftism that they're basically useless. And so the establishment conservatives are like, oh, we still. How could you say that there's something wrong with the Smithsonian? It's like, well, it says whiteness is the root of all evil. So kind of there's something wrong with it because it's racist.

Phil (17:06)

Look, open your eyes to see.

Libby Emmons (17:08)

Exactly, Exactly. But so I think that that is a big split. And so the conservatives who are like, oh, Harvard is still amazing, and it's still a bastion of American educational supremacy, which it kind of just isn't anymore, those conservatives are going to align themselves with Kamala Harris. Those conservatives are going to align themselves with forever wars, which is how all of these places stay funded anyway. And then the conservatives who want to actually preserve, like, American supremacy and American exceptionalism and want to make sure that the United States is a prosperous home for our children's future, that's sort of a different kind of conservatism now than the history of what we've had for the past 50 years.

Ian Crossland (17:52)

You want to conserve American Republicanism, Democratic Republicanism, in that you want to preserve the ability of the people to pick their candidate. And Kamala Harris was thrust upon us by the industrial order. You would say the Democratic Party's not conservative at all, which is like, lol, of course. But if they call themselves Neo Concern, it's just a fake word they're using to mask their behavior if they're supporting a person that was put into power. Like, the superdelegate system in the Democratic Party is an aberration of our system. We're supposed to select our candidates. It is very weird. It is very antithetical to the system right now.

William Wolf (18:25)

Anyway, Libby, I think you make a great point there, too. That ties directly into the Bolton thing, and you can even see it in this recent back and forth between Chris Ruffo and Jonah Goldberg, where Chris Ruffo is saying, look, I'M going to use these tactics to subvert and destroy the left who have corrupted our institutions. And even if it's messy, even if it's ugly. And Jonah Goldberg was like, well, what exactly are you conserving here? And Rufo was like, well, what have you conserved? Which is a great point here, but I think the old school neocon conservatism would have said something like, even if Bolton misused, mishandled, was careless with classified information because of mud norms and mud decency, you just have to ignore it. And Trump is like, no, if he broke the law, even if it looks like I'm, quote, unquote, doing a little political retribution here, that's how they'll spin it. I'm going to do it. Like, I have the power and you don't. And so I think it really comes down to this new class of conservatives reckoning with how to rightly and in some ways unapologetically wield power for the good of the country.

Libby Emmons (19:31)

Sure. And you also have a situation where Democrats under the Biden administration did all of these things. They persecuted Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro, they put these men in jail, you know, and they went after who they perceived as political enemies of the Democrats repeatedly.

Phil (19:47)

They just went.

Libby Emmons (19:47)

They went after Trump's lawyers in Georgia. Didn't they indict, like, 19 people? They claimed that the Trump campaign was like a RICO operation, that it was intended to be a criminal enterprise, which is absolutely insane. You know, they couldn't even get Diddy on that. Like, that's ludicrous. And so I think that what's happening now is Trump is like, and the Trump administration, okay, you made new rules. We're gonna follow the new rules. I wasn't in favor of the new rules as they were made under Biden. I'm not super in favor of them now. But, like, these are the rules now, you guys. You stupid idiots. And now you're gonna suffer the consequences of your own stupid, idiot rules.

William Wolf (20:29)

88 felony charges at least pursued against Trump, many of them dropped, but others, you know, prosecuted all the way through. Dozens of his associates rolled up over the last four years.

Phil (20:40)

Not just associates, his lawyers. Right. Like in the United States, you're supposed to have. You have the right to counsel. And they went after his lawyers for defending him. That's crazy. That. That's exactly. That's really, really. That's kind of where it stops being about just to getting people that, that they believe broke the law. And they're literally punishing people for associating with Donald Trump specifically, again, his lawyers, which is a constitutionally protected right. You have the right to counsel. And when the federal government not goes after your lawyers and indicts your lawyers and, and accuses them of being part of a criminal enterprise just because they're defending you, that's going outside of what is constitutionally, you know what, but what's constitutionally legal.

Ian Crossland (21:22)

You know, what really concerns me is that maybe this, not that this happened, but the potential that the Democratic Party or whoever did, broke the law, incited, did these things, went after political opponents in order to incite the other side to do it back to them. So that we set a precedent now that as this new world order is coagulating, this is how the order is going to be. You step out of line, you're going to prison, whatever that line is. And I'm the one drawing the line.

Phil (21:45)

That's the stuff that happens in banana republics. Like that was one of the things that people. Yeah, like we heard about this. And you're right. You're totally right. I agree. That's what happens in third world countries. The United States used to be above that stuff. But the behavior of the Democrat Party in response to Donald Trump, actually, I think honestly in response to realizing that they didn't have a permanent hold on, on the federal government when Barack Obama.

Ian Crossland (22:12)

It could have been anybody other than it could have been anybody famous that of the Trump role. You're right.

Phil (22:16)

But yeah, the point that I'm making is I think that once when Barack Obama was elected, the Democrats actually thought that they had a permanent it.

Libby Emmons (22:24)

Oh, they thought they had it.

Phil (22:25)

Yeah. They thought that forever they were going to have a one party system. The Republicans were going to be a regional party and the real game was going to be who's going to win the Democrat primary. Because whoever wins that Democrat primary was automatically going to win. And when they realized they didn't because Donald Trump won, they literally freaked out. And instead of saying, how do we adjust our message, how do we make sure that our next candidate is better than, than the Republican candidate? How do we do this? What they did was we need to use the levers of power that we still have access to in federal government, we need to use those levers of power to smear Donald Trump, do everything we can to put him in prison and make anyone that would try to run against us fear for their, their, their freedom, make sure that they understand if you try to challenge us, we are going to put you in jail. And thank God it didn't work.

Libby Emmons (23:13)

But they, they said that was the goal. That that was the goal. They said that repeatedly. You could hear it. Joe Biden, you know, thought that Trump would be in prison by the time the election rolled around.

Phil (23:23)

Yep.

Libby Emmons (23:24)

That a lot of people or somebody.

William Wolf (23:25)

Told Joe Biden to think.

Libby Emmons (23:26)

Well, yes, somebody told him to say it. I don't know if he thought anything like he was, you know, poor man's a disaster. They should have taken better care of that fella in that family.

William Wolf (23:35)

Should I go back and disagree with just a second?

Phil (23:37)

Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Good.

William Wolf (23:38)

Okay. So I don't think they're doing it. I don't think the Democrats did this to incite a reaction that would, you know, give them the ability to do something as a reaction to your action. I think that this is how they've been fundamentally as, as a party for a long time. They've been a post institutionalist party. They actually don't care about our institutions, they don't care about the procedures, they don't care about norms. They pretend to, but they care about power. Just pure naked will to power stuff. And I think when Donald Trump ran and won in 2016 against all odds, it was a huge shock to the system. And they said, what do we need to do to make sure that this never happens again? And so they did everything they could to ensure that, you know, some people might even say they released, you know, a worldwide pandemic to get him out of office in 2020, and then the lawfare and then the assassination attempt. And so now he's back against all odds, in office again. And so I think that they are realizing actually for the first time that the tables are being turned on them and they're not 100% sure what to do with it. So my point there is that I don't think it was. They were trying to incite us to do the same thing. I think Republicans are waking up to really, and Trump in particular. Not all Republicans. It's Trump. I mean, look at, look at what happened when Trump got, got arrested in Georgia. I mean, there were a lot of Republicans who didn't stand with him because a lot of Republicans were hoping that this actually was the end of the Trump.

Phil (25:09)

I think it was a mix of, of hoping that it was the end of Trump, but also being afraid because there was a lot of people that had, you know, been Trump, you know, Trump allies and that had already been put in jail and had already been. Been through the wringer, you know, so I think that, I think you're right. It was it, it was, they were cowardly. But it wasn't just that they were hoping that Trump was gone, it was that they were terrified of the Democrats.

William Wolf (25:32)

Right. And so I, I think we are finally realizing that it's much more of a no holds barred knife fight than we ever thought it was. And Trump, Trump realizes that more than most Republicans do.

Ian Crossland (25:44)

The liberal economic, it seems like the Democratic Party is the American vestige of the liberal economic order which is essentially run by the British king, I don't know who's running it. The British emperor, I should say, because he's the King of Australia, he's the King of Canada, he's the King of England. So he has a lot of kingdoms that makes him an emperor. And the British Empire, they've rebranded in 98, whatever. Now they call themselves the Commonwealth. But it seems like they tried to use their imperial authority to thrust not only Kamala Harris on us, but just use power to destroy American will and scare us into submission. And the people didn't, Trump didn't bow down, the people didn't bow down. People stayed loud. The Internet allowed us to get our, you know, word of independence out. And, and it's, it's sort of like if we can, because what's happening is this new world order is being created in front of us and the British people want top down authority. They want to make sure it's static and it's ordered and the American revolutionary system is, is chaotic in a lot of ways. You know, we self governance, you don't necessarily live like your neighbor lives. And I think it's an opportunity now to kind of push American democratic republicanism on the world in a way that they want it in the way that they see it is the best system on earth. That's why Jeff Bezos was able to create Amazon in the United States.

Phil (26:57)

I kind of disagree with that. I think that different cultures and different people want different things. And I think that Iraq was a good said, was good evidence of that. Like we thought that that, or at least the argument was made that when we went into Iraq we would be greeted as liberators and that the Iraqi people would want and embrace democracy. That did not happen at all. And it's not because of anything that the United States did. It's because the people in Iraq don't want that kind of government. They don't like. And, and I think that that's something that's, that's, you know, around the world the different types of governments that are, are that exist are largely because the People want it.

Ian Crossland (27:35)

I want. I think what. The most important aspects of what I want the world to adopt is free speech, gun rights and property rights.

Phil (27:42)

Those. Those things don't exist in the world because the people, like, the people just don't desire them enough.

Ian Crossland (27:48)

And they don't. Because they don't. They've never experienced it.

Phil (27:50)

Once you experience it, and there's no going back. No, no, I disagree.

Ian Crossland (27:54)

Jesus wouldn't stop.

Phil (27:55)

People are different, Ian. Like, and not everyone thinks like a Western. People are different. People from different parts of the world experience life and the world differently.

Ian Crossland (28:05)

In North. North Korea, for instance, Yunmae was it. Yunmae park escaped North Korean defector and said in. They don't have a word for love in North Korea on purpose because they don't want people to understand the concept. And they don't. And until she got away and she was like, what?

Phil (28:17)

But, but, but that's not to say that you could go into North Korea and. And change North Korea into Kansas. No, no, no, it's not going to happen.

Ian Crossland (28:26)

But if they get a taste, you get a taste of freedom. You get a taste.

Phil (28:30)

I strongly disagree. Because. Because, like.

Ian Crossland (28:32)

Go ahead. I know what you're saying.

William Wolf (28:33)

I was gonna say we tried to give the, you know, the Afghanis quite a bit of a taste of freedom, and 20 years later, they decided they wanted the Taliban back instead. I mean. So, Ian, I think what you're getting at there too, is that the. The Western order, Western civilization. I mean, look, this is what I talk about, right, is the intersection of Christianity and politics. In many ways, it is rooted in and grounded in Christianity and even concepts like freedom of speech and ordered liberty and representative government. A lot of this is drawn from the Christian tradition. You can argue to certain things from natural law as well. But, yeah, I mean, you're right. I mean, I think you give people freedom of speech and property rights, a lot of people will want it, but it is also going to be contextualized to their situation, to their cultures, to their history, to their religion, which plays a big part of it. And I actually think, again, to bring this back to Bolton, one of the failures of American foreign policy over the last many decades was this idea that we could just go around and sort of export Americanism anywhere in the globe. It's actually, honestly, it's been one of the biggest hubrises of the American world order since World War II in many ways.

Libby Emmons (29:41)

But we also have this big problem where you have so many people in the world who do want Americanism coming to America, right? And then we end up with overflow here and we end up with a lot of illegal immigration. So I think that there's certainly a lot of people in the world who want what they think we have to offer, and that's fair. But I think that there should be incentives for those people to stay in their own. Own countries and make those places better.

Phil (30:06)

Do you think that people want the things that America do you think that people want the liberty that America offers? Or do you think that they want the security that America offers in comparison to their.

Libby Emmons (30:16)

Like, the stuff.

Phil (30:17)

Hold on, hold on. In comparison to their home places and the benefits that the government. Because that's my. My sense, right? People that come here, they're not coming here because they are actually looking to.

Libby Emmons (30:30)

I think it's both. I think it's both. I certainly think it's both. When you have people coming, you know, from different places in the world, everyone has their different reasons. I think we have a lot of people who've come here recently who want the security and the stuff and the $3,000 a month for housing. And that's a big problem. I mean, you can't have open borders and benefits for everybody. That's just not something that's sustainable. But I do think that. I mean, as an American, as an American who grew up with the idea of American exceptionalism, you know, my parents arguing around the dinner table about which of the two candidates to choose. I believe it was Reagan or Mondale when I was a kid. This is what they were arguing about. Phil knows, but I do.

Phil (31:13)

Absolutely. Well, actually, there wasn't really arguing in my house, but I remember it.

Libby Emmons (31:16)

I remember there was only ever arguing in my house. But anyways, I definitely want America to be a beacon of freedom and liberty. I want us to be, you know, I want us to have lots of cool stuff and opportunity and opportunity for everybody in the world who wants to come here and do something cool like, that's awesome, right? Elon Musk is a guy with a lot of vision. He wants to enact that vision in the US I don't agree with all his vision, but that's totally not the point. And there's a ton of people like that, and I think that's really worthwhile. And I mean, that's definitely something I want as an American, and that's something that I envision as something that are, like, American values.

Ian Crossland (31:57)

You're reinforcing my desire to spread freedom of speech around the globe because we can't have everybody come here.

William Wolf (32:03)

It Just doesn't blame into that.

Libby Emmons (32:05)

I get what you're saying, and I kind of agree with you. But not in a military aspect.

Ian Crossland (32:10)

No, not in a military aspect.

Libby Emmons (32:12)

Like, if you remember, if you think about the Soviet Union, right? Like, people in the Soviet Union wanted Beatles records and blue jeans. Jeans cool. Like, get Beatles records and blue jeans. Like, you look at cultural. But cultural exports are huge.

Phil (32:26)

Yeah, but guys, look, you look at Europe right now and, like, the freedom of speech is being taken away from those people largely, and not. I don't know if it's a majority, but largely because of American import with the consent of the people. So it's not the idea. It's the idea that we can just say, hey, look, we've got this. This great idea in the United States, and you guys should try it. It that, like, there's not a place on Earth or there are very few places on Earth that don't have a conceptualization of what the freedom of speech in the United States is like.

Libby Emmons (32:58)

No, they don't have that in the uk.

Phil (33:00)

I know. I know they don't. But the point that I'm making is. The point that I'm making is most of the world understands and they have rejected that intentionally. So this, to my point, you can't just say, hey, you should have what you should want, what we want. Because. Because they basically. And especially, you know, like a global world that we have now. Like, we're not. We're not isolated nations the way we used to be 50 years ago. The Internet has really brought, you know, made the world much smaller. Most of the world at least has a conception of what it's like in the United States and. And what freedom of speech means here. And most of the world has rejected that. And some places are going backwards, like Canada, like our neighbor to the north, Canada, the uk, all over Europe, they're going backwards.

Libby Emmons (33:44)

None of that is the reason, but the offering it culturally, that's fin.

Phil (33:47)

But the point that I'm making is we. You can't make people want something. And what. What it sounds like Ian is saying is we should do what we can to export these ideas. But we've already done that.

Libby Emmons (33:59)

No, but. But we can't help ourselves.

Phil (34:01)

That's fine.

Libby Emmons (34:02)

We're gonna keep growing. We're gonna keep getting bigger, we're gonna keep creating. You know, I. I think we're moving in a better direction as regard to our art forms. You know, I think we're getting films back a little bit. I think these things are gonna move back in the other direction, they're going to be a little less woke. I think that's what's happening. I have faith that that's what's happening. And I don't think that those things are going to stay within the boundaries of the United States. I think it's a terrible idea to go out there with our troops and go around and be like, here's abortions for Africa. We're usaid. This is amazing. And you also had problems with the U.S. institutes for Peace telling the Taliban to stop eradicating opium production. Right. Because they said that was bad globally. So we have to get our shit together. Excuse me. We have to get our. Together, but I do think that what we have to offer the world is still paramount to anything else that the world has out there on its own.

William Wolf (34:54)

Okay, if I could pull the. Let's pull the camera back out and look at the.

Libby Emmons (34:57)

Do you not think so? Do you not think so?

William Wolf (34:59)

I don't. I don't. I don't think I disagree with you. But the. I kind of want to maybe take a middle ground here.

Phil (35:04)

Right.

William Wolf (35:04)

Okay. So really what we're talking about is in some ways is the difference between the developed and the undeveloped or developing world. Right. So in the developed world, think like China, Russia, Europe, the United States, more or less. Right. So in Europe, the United States, everything you're talking about here, Libby, really, is the inheritance of Western civilization. Sure. And when you talk, I'm a big.

Libby Emmons (35:26)

Proponent of Western civilization.

William Wolf (35:27)

Amen. And so when you were bringing up sort of, you know, like, our fight with the Soviet Union, it made me think of Voice of America. Like, Voice of America was originally like a positive American propaganda thing that we were trying to kind of blast in behind the Iron Curtain. And so, as if you look at, you know, if you look at Africa, India, South America, it's not so much that those countries, they have varying degrees of, like, I guess there's some authoritarians, but there's a lot of free speech. I mean, Sam Altman was just on a podcast saying that their biggest user, their second biggest user block for chat for, you know, AI is in India. So India actually does have a decent amount of free speech. South America has a decent amount of free speech. Africa is a real mix, depending on what you're looking at there. Where we're losing free speech is fundamentally in former nations that embraced it because of this virus of wokeness. Did you see the thing, the way.

Libby Emmons (36:25)

The guy got arrested for saying we love bacon outside the site of a future mosque? There's not even a mosque there.

William Wolf (36:30)

Yeah.

Libby Emmons (36:30)

That's crazy.

William Wolf (36:31)

Right? And so it's like what, we're committing suicide?

Libby Emmons (36:34)

Not love bacon.

Phil (36:35)

We put, we, we put, we put up a video last night of people of Eng. The English flying the English flag and they're, they're wearing masks in order to fly the, the flag of England in England.

Libby Emmons (36:48)

Right.

Phil (36:48)

Like they're, they're actually. Yeah, they're actually putting. They're looking at potholes and they're, they're painting the English flag in potholes so that way the potholes get fixed because the magistrates will say that's the English flag. That might offend people.

Libby Emmons (37:02)

Meanwhile, the Pakistani flags, the Hamas flags, all these flags get to be.

William Wolf (37:05)

So, Libby, if I were to disagree with you on anything, I would just say it's almost a little bit too idealistic right now. Because what, what's happened is what we have actually exported around the globe for the last 20 plus years has been a global woke censorship regime.

Libby Emmons (37:21)

I agree with you.

William Wolf (37:22)

And so it's like problem, like to.

Libby Emmons (37:24)

Get actually exported that like crazy into the uk.

William Wolf (37:26)

Yes.

Libby Emmons (37:27)

You know, Germany and all of these ridiculous places that now have like, you know, trans Nazi prisoners in women's jails. Like it's out of control.

William Wolf (37:35)

So I think to get to. What you want really kind of is we need to work on our. America needs some me time. We need to work on ourselves.

Libby Emmons (37:43)

But I don't think that we should ever like, the fact that we have not met our ideals and met our expectations for American greatness is not a reason to discard them and it's not a reason to keep trying. I think I am hopeful and maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just a goofy optimist about this, but I am hopeful that the past 25 years or so, since kind of 9 11, when we've really lost our way and started blaming ourselves for being attacked, I think that I am hopeful that the last 25 years are an aberration and that we get our patriotic spirit back. This is one of the only countries in the world where you go to it and like you wander down the street and everybody's got flags out. I mean, even in Brooklyn, when I lived in Brooklyn, like there were streets where everyone had flags out. You know what I mean? Like, that's not common everywhere else in the world. We love this country so much. And I guess I'm really hopeful this new administration has given me some hope. Right? I mean, we're getting a gift shop in the White House. That's so great. You know what I mean? I know that sounds silly, but that's such a glorious capitalist, democratic thing that we're doing a gift shop in the White House. How did we not have that?

Ian Crossland (38:56)

Sometimes when we're in it, you're in it, you can't see it. This is.

Libby Emmons (38:58)

The shows are getting. I feel like we're getting there. I feel like we're accomplishing a good mission.

Ian Crossland (39:02)

It happened country. This is one of the top political shows on the planet. This show we're on right now. And Joe Rogan, like, that didn't exist. Couldn't have existed 20 years ago. We got bombarded with the global culture after the Internet appeared. And then we suffered for 20 years in almost like American dazed idealism. Like, not really. Like, what are the guys in the 1850s laying down steel did? We were just now on our computers just accepting.

Libby Emmons (39:28)

And we're not doing that anymore. I see what you're saying, and you're making a lot of sense. But. And I know that you agree with me.

William Wolf (39:34)

Yeah, it's funny. I don't really think that I'm arguing with you. I guess I'm just so. I actually think that.

Libby Emmons (39:38)

Okay, because you just think we need a little isolation.

William Wolf (39:40)

Well, no, no, no. We're ratcheting up. I mean, I think things really hang in the balance. And again, I fundamentally believe that the path to the renewal of the west, of Europe, of America is, you know, sort of a return to our. The founding faith of. I totally agree with these great civilizations that Christianity, we need, you know, revival, repentance, renewal. But I actually, I think that, you know, if. If it's Gavin Newsom in 2028, he's the worst. This show could be shut down.

Libby Emmons (40:09)

He's so terrible.

William Wolf (40:10)

I mean, I think we realize that. Right? But it's like I told people, you know, so as a Christian, I believe in the sovereignty and of God and over all things. But I was concerned as we were heading into the 2024 election because of, you know, I'm nowhere near the level of the people on this show, but just because of my outspoken and political activism, that if Kamala Harris won, maybe one day in the near future, I would get a knock on my door. Maybe not a knock, maybe be a no knock raid. That was a legitimate fear, I think, that I had. And so Trump's won again. And I think right now, what I'm trying to say is we're in the situation, the American political experiment, where for a while yet, still, it's sort of the stakes could not be higher as we ratchet back and forth essentially, to get to everything you want and you want and I want, want, we need to rush the left for the next 20 years in a way that they.

Ian Crossland (41:00)

That is not perceived because the. Basically, I think when you say the left, I think of communism, I think of the CCP is like the ultimate form of the left on Earth right now.

Phil (41:10)

So you want to.

Ian Crossland (41:14)

You want to. It'll come back to me.

Phil (41:18)

All right, well, we're going to jump to this story because we want to.

William Wolf (41:20)

Crush gay, gay race communism. There you go.

Phil (41:25)

Fully automatic, fully automated gay race communism. All right, we're gonna jump to the story from the Post Millennial. Ghislaine Maxwell said Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. She and along with literally everybody else on the planet has said that. Now, how the true it is, I don't know. But anyways, from the Post Millennial, in the release transcripts from the Department of Justice interview with Ghislaine Maxwell. Whoa. Said that she did not believe that her former friend, associate and lover died by suicide. The revelation was made during her Tallahassee prison interview with Assistant A.G. blanche. So you're going to tell us, Blanche said, what you believe, but just to. I want to make sure I understand your basis for belief is kind of what you've read and seen and your knowledge of Mr. Epstein for the many years you knew him. Right. And actually there's a third component. Maxwell said she went on to detail having experienced now the mismanagement and inefficiencies and total dereliction of duty at the Bureau of Prison Prisons. Okay, fair. Okay. So, you know, I want to. What I do want to do is be careful about is, you know, asking you to speculate because anybody can do that. And I don't think it's fair to you or anybody else to ask your. Ask you to give us your kind of opinion. Blanche said, but do you think that the third point you say, which is kind of a failure by the bop, there's been a lot of. There's an OIG report, there's SDNY investigation about that. Do you. So you think he was. He did not die by suicide, given all the things we just talked about that that's like what it.

William Wolf (42:56)

Spit it out, man.

Libby Emmons (42:57)

I do not believe he died by suicide. No.

Phil (42:59)

Yeah. And this is. This was actually written by Libby. So why don't you. Why don'.

Libby Emmons (43:03)

No, I wrote it. It doesn't.

Phil (43:04)

Oh, no, I'm sorry. That's the tweet. My bad. My apologies.

Libby Emmons (43:06)

I Did write it.

Phil (43:07)

Okay, well then go ahead, just outage.

William Wolf (43:09)

Your silly doxed yourself live.

Phil (43:11)

So, so go ahead and outline what the. What, you know what, what. Do you think that she's, she's being fulsome? Do you think that she's actually telling the truth or do you think that this is just her trying to get in the good graces of Donald Trump because she wants a pardon?

Libby Emmons (43:24)

Well, she said that she didn't think he killed himself in part because it cost 25 in commissary to stage a hit on somebody in prison.

Phil (43:31)

Oh, okay.

Libby Emmons (43:32)

If you read all the way down, which is. That's what she said, which I think that's a problem if that's what we have going on in prison. $25 in commissary. Not even like gold or something, but like, that's cheap. That's cheap for a hit.

Phil (43:46)

Yeah, it is.

Libby Emmons (43:46)

I think a lot of people don't think that Epstein killed himself. And I think it's sort of interesting that now we have Kash Patel saying that Epstein definitely killed himself himself. You have Ghislaine Maxwell saying she doesn't think that he did. You have a lot of people who still think that he didn't. And I think this is a situation where we're never going to really know anything ever. She also said in this interview that she never saw Trump do anything untoward, that he was always a gentleman, that he didn't do anything inappropriate with masseuses or anybody else. And I do believe that that's true. And I do believe that she believes that he didn't kill himself.

Ian Crossland (44:31)

She ran a criminal sex trafficking ring for young women. Why would you believe anything she said?

Libby Emmons (44:35)

So I don't necessarily, I believe, I would believe that Trump didn't do anything wrong, whether she said it or not.

Ian Crossland (44:43)

Oh, you just are convinced of it?

Libby Emmons (44:44)

Yeah, I don't think that he did anything wrong.

Ian Crossland (44:46)

Oh my gosh. I've seen pictures of him at parties with his arms around ladies with Epstein.

Libby Emmons (44:50)

Yeah. I mean, I don't think that he, I don't think that he got with underage girls.

Ian Crossland (44:53)

Did he grab them by the pee?

Libby Emmons (44:55)

I don't think he got with underage girls. I don't think that. Do I think he was an international playboy doing whatever he wanted? Yeah, but I don't think that he, you know, I don't think that he.

Ian Crossland (45:04)

Put his hands on a 17 year old's boob.

Libby Emmons (45:07)

I don't think that he, you know, had sex with underage girls. I don't think That I don't think.

Ian Crossland (45:12)

It, but I don't think he didn't. I just don't know.

Libby Emmons (45:14)

I don't think that he did.

William Wolf (45:15)

Well, you know, to your point, Libby, look, when all this story was breaking and with recently in the news, I was thankful that I'm not one of those people who has like staked my career or my credibility on the Epstein, on having a position. I've hardly ever commented on it. Obviously it's a massive issue. I think though, that it concerns me and I'm not saying, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not arguing with you, but like, that will never know the truth. Yeah, I would like to, like, I would like to think we can know the truth on this either way, in one way shape or form. But I don't, I don't know. Like, I mean, what, like they won't.

Libby Emmons (45:50)

Release the, the, the courts won't allow the release of any of the grand jury testimony.

William Wolf (45:55)

Yeah, that was interesting.

Libby Emmons (45:57)

You have, they've repeatedly refused to do that. And this is from super lefty courts in, in New York State that won't release it. You have the Maxwell testimony, like everything that the DOJ has had in their possession to release, other than like, you know, child porn, they have released a lot of stuff.

Ian Crossland (46:19)

How come they didn't release the testimony?

Libby Emmons (46:22)

The court refused to release the testimony.

William Wolf (46:24)

Well, did you know what the reasoning was?

Libby Emmons (46:26)

I don't know. Yeah, yeah. I mean, but the DOJ has asked the courts repeatedly release the grand jury testimony and the courts have said no, we don't see a reason to do that.

William Wolf (46:36)

Yeah, I do. I do wonder what Maxwell's play here is too. Like, I certainly wouldn't, I wouldn't necessarily trust her. I really realize, look, I mean, I'm a big fan of Donald Trump. I, I, I understand that that statement here, like, looks good for Trump. Right. But I, like, I fundamentally wouldn't trust her. And I mean this, the underlying issue of this is such a wretched, like, moral issue. Like, I do want to see, I want to see people held accountable for what happened to these girls, to, you know, and who's behind it. I think we need to know. I mean, I, I don't know if that requires legal seeking classified information.

Libby Emmons (47:09)

I don't know.

William Wolf (47:10)

But, you know, and I think the, I will say this, as I've watched all this unfold, if we can't get to the truth on this, like, it just really just continues to undermine, you know, the credibility and public trust in the American judicial system. That's really what's at work.

Libby Emmons (47:26)

There's concerns for it, concerns about it for sure. But I do think that, I do think that the Trump administration is trying to do. I think they're trying to release everything that they're able to release.

Ian Crossland (47:41)

The Trump administration sent someone to talk to Maxwell and then she came out with this statement, Trump never did anything untoward. And then she got moved to a minimum security prison. It just seems like a favor.

Libby Emmons (47:50)

She did get moved, but she hasn't got a pardon.

Ian Crossland (47:53)

It just seems like a political favor. Like she said, Trump, but then she said he didn't kill himself, which is flies in the face of Cash Patel. So they're like, you can say that, that part, but then say something nice about Trump and move you to minimum security.

Phil (48:05)

I think what she said is, I think that what she was saying is an inference though. Right. She's inferring that he didn't, she doesn't have any actual.

Libby Emmons (48:12)

She said she believes that he did not.

Phil (48:14)

So she, she's saying because of what I know of him and what I've seen in the prison here, and I know that you can get someone killed for 25 worth of commissary stuff that I think because of all of those things, I think that he didn't kill himself. So this isn't like she has some.

Libby Emmons (48:29)

Kind of a statement of belief.

Phil (48:31)

Yeah, it wasn't a statement. It's not like she has some kind information that people, you know, that, that evidentiary assumption. Yeah, it's not like there's some kind of information that the general public doesn't have. This is just her saying, I know Jeffrey, Jeffrey was state of mind at the time, you know, I knew him. And because I know what the, how much of a mess the, the correctional institutions are. This makes me believe that he did not kill himself. But it's not actually like some kind of concrete statement that you could say, well, look there, that's proof. It's not proof, it's just her inference, you know, so even still, I don't think that, you know, whatever. I think whatever people have as a preconception, that's what they're going to fall back on with this. Right? They're going to say, okay, well, so she's saying that Donald Trump didn't do anything. I hate Donald Trump. So the reason she's saying Donald Trump didn't do anything is because Donald Trump, she wants pardon from Donald Trump. So that makes me believe, believe even more strongly that Donald Trump did something bad. And if you think that Donald Trump didn't do anything. You're going to say, well, she's a liar. So I don't think Donald Trump did anything. Like Libby said, I don't think Donald Trump did anything anyways. I didn't think anything that he did anything in the first place. She's a liar. So you know, I don't think that, you know, I don't think that Donald Trump did anything. I don't, I don't think that any of the information that she's giving out is actually of any value beyond, you know, beyond just, just information coming out. Like, I don't think that it's going to change any minds. No one's going to hear this and say, okay, that for me, that's the piece of information that makes me change my mind. I don't think, I don't. I think this changes zero minds.

Libby Emmons (50:08)

Yeah, I think that's true.

Ian Crossland (50:09)

Except what makes, what has changed is that I thought she was going to be in prison for life and treated poorly.

Libby Emmons (50:14)

It was 20 years.

Ian Crossland (50:15)

She got 20 years and treated poorly for running the sex trafficking operation. But they just moved her to minimum security and she said something nice about Donald Trump. So like if she, if she had said, oh yeah, he had his hands all over under his women, she would never get a pardon. Now she might because she, I don't.

Libby Emmons (50:28)

Think she's gonna get a pardon, do we?

Phil (50:31)

Maybe end of. Maybe the dunks are about to get out the door when he's running out.

Libby Emmons (50:35)

Right. Maybe the auto pen at the last minute.

Ian Crossland (50:37)

She ran that operation. Epstein was one of her boys.

Phil (50:41)

But when you say ran that operation, do you think that the operation means that she was bringing young girls for all the people that were going to Epstein Island? Or do you think that it was.

Ian Crossland (50:50)

Just Epstein is know. But she was the one at the center. This is according to people that were around them like the seals. That, that Maria Farmer I think would talk like Ghisain was at the middle in this bubble and everyone was kind of revolving around Ghisain and this was like her brothel or whatever.

Phil (51:06)

Okay, well, I mean there's other people that she's actually cleared as or said that didn't do anything. She said that Clinton hadn't gone to the island, I believe is what the, what she said. Correct?

Libby Emmons (51:17)

Yeah, I think that that's right.

Phil (51:18)

Yeah. So I mean there's, there's other people that she's, she's, you know, made, you know, said things about. And, and again flies in the face of what people kind of already thought, because everyone kind of already thought that Bill Clinton was a dirty old man and had done, you know, dirty old man things on Epstein Island. And that's why there's a picture of him in a dress on, on Epstein.

Ian Crossland (51:40)

In that blue dress, blue dress.

Phil (51:41)

That, that, that's at Epstein Island.

Ian Crossland (51:43)

You were saying that you, you wonder if we'll ever get to the, to the box bottom of it. And I sort of, I don't, I don't, I don't want to, it's like I don't want to go poke the bear.

William Wolf (51:54)

Yeah, I mean, I think, well, like, I mean, when you get onto this subject, we can talk about Trump, we can talk about Clinton, we can talk about, you know, Epstein himself. But really, like just sort of what weighs heavy on me is like the actual people who were victimized and trafficked. Right. And then what this sort of speaks to is like, can we, Is there a two tier justice system not just in our country, but in our world globally? I mean, there are other, other parties and agencies involved with this. So it's like, do the rich and famous and politically powerful get to abuse anybody they want to with no justice or not? And so, yeah, I mean, that's why I want to get. I, I, I kind of always have this instinct, this desire for justice to get to the bottom of something thing. Because either there's justice for everyone or there's justice for no one.

Phil (52:44)

Well, I mean, look, I don't think that's true.

William Wolf (52:47)

Oh yeah.

Libby Emmons (52:47)

That there's justice for everyone or there's justice for no one. I think that there's a lot of places in the world where there's justice for no one at all. And I think there's a lot of places in the world where there's justice for some. You know, I mean, there are varying degrees of what people get served justice. Like this woman who was just released, she was the wife of a Tory counselor in the uk. Uk. And she had said something untoward about migrants after the Southport stabbings. And she was in prison. She was in prison for like what, like a year or something? A year and a week. I think something like that, that doesn't seem just at all, you know, and then even in, there's definitely some.

William Wolf (53:25)

I think what I was trying to say is like sort of the idea that like everybody counts or like nobody counts.

Phil (53:31)

There's nothing like the idea that the rich and powerful get away with all kinds of things. That's, I mean, that's as old as human society.

Libby Emmons (53:41)

Yeah. King wasn't it? King?

William Wolf (53:42)

Yeah. It's not good, though.

Libby Emmons (53:43)

All his wives, he made his own church.

Ian Crossland (53:45)

Henry viii.

Phil (53:46)

Yeah. What was it? The. There's also off two of his head. Two wives heads.

Ian Crossland (53:50)

There's the genetic argument, and it's kind of a hard one to have. But a poor, a malnourished human that gives birth to malnourished children over generations produces arguably stupidity or can lead towards producing stupidity in the brain. And those people can't run. They have a hard time running corporations and endeavors, and so they're relegated to the slave class or the plebs, these people that eat bread, and that's what they don't have nutrition. And then this other class of people has been feasting off of all the nutrient and education, and they know how to run things, and so they've elevated themselves to this other class. And that's how it's been since the Roman Empire. At the very least since. And kings and subjects and. And even the. The people at the top will. Will like Stalin. He'll like, kill off his other people at the top eventually. Like, yeah, the justice fails, you know.

Phil (54:33)

To your point, William. And like, I agree, like, it's not a good thing. I'm just saying that it's. It's about as normal as any other human traits or any other phenomenon that happens with human beings. And again, yes. And to be honest with you, the United States, for a long time, I think that the United States. The United States probably had the best record about that. There was a long time where you. You. I think you could actually get a certain amount of. Of justice for people, even powerful people that had broken the law. But I think that's. That has broken down now. I think that the politically connected are largely insulated from justice. But at the. At the same time, I say that. But, you know, Epstein did die in prison, and there were very few people that were as. As connected as Epstein was. So. So yes, I do think that. That it's very. It's common for wealthy people to get away with. With whatever they're doing. And I think that's largely because they have the resources to hire the best lawyers and stuff like that. But it's not all the time because again, Epstein was in prison when he died. So.

William Wolf (55:32)

Yeah, but why. Why was that If. If Epstein was killed in prison? I mean, sure, you could take that as a measure of justice, but if that. If that is what happens happened, who was being protected? Yeah, having Epstein killed.

Phil (55:46)

So I don't know. But. But the point that I'm making is again, Epstein had, you know, ample resources and he still ended up in prison, you know, so it's like there is some amount of our system does, you know, does put wealthy people in prison. And Epstein was probably going to be in prison for the rest of his life. Gillian going to jail for 20 years. Like, sh. She may not be there the rest of her life, but she's going to be super old when she gets out, barring some kind of pardon. So the only point that I'm making is, yes, I agree it's a bad thing. And I still think that the United States and our system of justice is better than most in the world. And prop might even be better than anywhere else in the world.

Ian Crossland (56:26)

It seems like when our political elite started getting this untouchability factor was around when the liberal economic order started after World War II, like, because of the heavy British influence, like the kings. You cannot. You cannot put them in jail because they own everything and they make all the law. Their word is the law. Now we're stuck it with it that.

Phil (56:45)

So would you say that, you know, Epstein was not politically well connected?

Ian Crossland (56:49)

He was, but he was scapegoat. I think he was scapegoated and put down to blame everything on him and shut it up.

Phil (56:55)

So you. So you think that there were other people that were involved in the. In the. The illegal goings on on his.

Ian Crossland (57:02)

Yeah. Les Wexner was friends, like with his Victoria's Secret people apparently would come and go and they like young models. Young models. Ghislaine Maxwell now getting moved to minimum security. Really? I mean, not that she's a threat, but like, she's at the top of a global child sex trafficking ring. You wouldn't think she'd be put in a minimum security prison a year after she got arrested. It's kind of. I think Epstein got all the blame. They wanted him to take all the blame. Not that he's getting all the blame, but they want him. They put him down. And everyone loves calling it the Epstein files, but like, I mean, Ghislaine's dad. I don't want to even talk. This is such a dangerous conversation to have.

Phil (57:37)

But why is it dangerous?

William Wolf (57:39)

It's very dangerous.

Ian Crossland (57:40)

It's because I don't. Because a million people are listening and I don't. I don't want to say something that's not true and put wrong things in people's minds. Well, people will be seeing this for years after tonight.

Phil (57:48)

We say things that are wrong all the time. So you want to just rely on the fact that, you know, you're not. You're not saying that you say, you know, just rely on the fact that it's opinion and speak your mind.

Ian Crossland (57:59)

I think that every once in a while, like, Prince Andrew is hard not to. Not to scapegoat. I mean, they kind of like, I don't know what exactly where he is with the British Empire, but there are instances where people in power will get thrown under the bus or just like Weinstein.

Libby Emmons (58:13)

They checked him under the bus.

Ian Crossland (58:15)

Weinstein.

Libby Emmons (58:16)

That was Weinstein, the movie mogul. Miramax.

Ian Crossland (58:19)

Oh, yeah, yeah. They hit him hard.

Libby Emmons (58:21)

Yeah. He's still in jail.

Ian Crossland (58:22)

And in royal families, you know, if a brother. I mean, to this point where the king will kill his brother so his brother doesn't usurp his kingdom, you know.

Guest/Additional Commentator (58:28)

Like, horrible interview is such an unforced error. Error, though. Like, he didn't need to get that interview.

Ian Crossland (58:32)

Which interview?

Guest/Additional Commentator (58:33)

The interview that he. I forget who was the actress. Yeah, I think it was Candace. But that was such an unforced error. Like, bro did not need to do that. And he totally threw the bus.

Libby Emmons (58:41)

You didn't think that was. You didn't. Oh, okay. I think we're talking about the wine. Wine stain.

Guest/Additional Commentator (58:45)

No, no, no.

Ian Crossland (58:46)

I think that that's what they thought about Epstein too. He didn't need to. To blow the lid off that thing. And he was just careless. And they're like, take him down. Put it. Get him out of here.

Phil (58:56)

Yeah, I don't. I. I don't know that. I. I mean, I don't know that. I have a. A. A strong opinion as to how many people that Epstein was schmoozing with were actually involved in criminal activity. It's possible that there were some. I don't think that, like, everybody that was schmoozing with Epstein was also involved in. In criminal activity. I don't think that, you know, if you got a. If there was a picture taken with you and Epstein, that means that you were involved in criminal activity. High. Straight up. Straight up. Do not think that Stephen Hawking was diddling little girls like that dude.

Guest/Additional Commentator (59:31)

It benefits.

Libby Emmons (59:33)

Beaten up by his wife while he was.

Phil (59:35)

Oh, in the chair. Really poor guy. But yeah, so I. I do think that there were people that. That were, you know, that were associates of Epstein or take. That took pictures with Epstein that were not involved in criminal activity. And, and sure, there are probably that people that were, but I don't know to the extent as well. You know, there's all those people that.

Ian Crossland (59:53)

Got stuck in it and that all of a sudden the 17 year old's touching them inappropriately and then that could be considered illegal and they're like, they don't even know she's 17. Yeah, those guys aren't criminals.

Guest/Additional Commentator (60:02)

Yeah, that's the idea between it being a honeypot operation for like, you know, for intelligence operations, they'd get somebody on something like that. So the girl that doesn't look like she's 17, but she is. And then they can go oh well she was actually 15 years old and you had no idea. It's oh what? She told me she was 19. That doesn't matter at that point because the news is already running around the world three times.

Phil (60:19)

You know.

Guest/Additional Commentator (60:19)

So what was the argument for it?

William Wolf (60:21)

Two points. One, Alex Jones is right. Right. There's like global time. Global satanic pedophiles running a lot of stuff at the highest levels of international governments around the world. And then the second thing I would say on this too, again, because this is not, this is not an issue that I've like staked a lot of like interest in or commentary on other than watching it unfold. But I do want to share a Bible verse because, because I think it's really applicable here. This is Luke 8:17. For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Ian Crossland (60:56)

I mean that sounds like the apocalypse. Like AI is going to take everyone's emails and everyone's videos and everyone's hard drives and they're going to make them all public at once.

Phil (61:02)

You're going to offend the Christians.

Ian Crossland (61:04)

I think that that's the great revealment of nothing. There are no secrets. I think that might be coming. The AI is going to snap and make everyone's everything public.

William Wolf (61:12)

Well, I think Luke's actually this is talking about judgment at the end of all time.

Ian Crossland (61:18)

Question.

Libby Emmons (61:18)

You're both on the same page.

Ian Crossland (61:19)

I got a question for you as a holy man.

Libby Emmons (61:20)

The end. The end Times.

Ian Crossland (61:21)

What aspect of this, this global cabal is Satanic.

Phil (61:25)

Ian's not on the same page.

Ian Crossland (61:26)

Well, I'm just turning the page though. I'm turn the page again.

Libby Emmons (61:29)

Times.

Ian Crossland (61:29)

Let's go to page three. What's satanic about it?

William Wolf (61:33)

Yeah, I mean that's a good question.

Libby Emmons (61:34)

I mean satanic about what?

William Wolf (61:35)

The global cabal.

Ian Crossland (61:36)

The global cabal. The pedophile rings that we're talking about. Like what's Satanic? Because I hear that term satanic come up in regards.

William Wolf (61:44)

Wait, Phil, why is that funny? Yeah.

Phil (61:45)

Ian. Ian's my favorite person. He's hilarious.

Guest/Additional Commentator (61:50)

Have you seen the wef. Like they're like, they're crazy. Like I guess you call them rituals like with, with Klaus Schwab. Have you seen all the stuff that they've done this, that like they almost do it. They don't have to do that stuff. They do it almost as like for, you know, some unbeknownst reason. And that's why it looks, it looks pretty zenic. It looks like some. What's that one movie with like with Brad Pitt or what? Not bad pit. Tom Cruise. They had that weird party in New York. I can't remember that. That the movie. It's escaped me now, but it's not. It's Vanilla sky with the masks.

William Wolf (62:16)

Eyes Wide Shut.

Guest/Additional Commentator (62:17)

Eyes Wide Shut. Yeah, they do all that other weird.

William Wolf (62:19)

I've never seen it, but I know what you're referencing.

Guest/Additional Commentator (62:20)

Yeah, yeah, they do all that weird stuff and they don't have to do that, but they do that for some reason. And for me, like in most people, I look at it and be like, well, that's kind of weird.

Ian Crossland (62:25)

So it could be cultish for sure. Like ancient.

Phil (62:27)

Yeah.

William Wolf (62:27)

Let me try to answer your question here briefly. Just like very briefly and from a theological perspective. Right. So in, in the book of Ephesians, the apostle Paul writes about how, you know, we, we wrestle not only with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers. Powers in, in the spiritual realm. Dark powers. Right. And so, you know, as, as a Bible believing Christian, I believe fundamentally everyone, whether you recognize it or not, is either serving God or the devil. Right. So it's like they're. According to, you know, just basic orthodox Christian theology. Like that's the, the divide. Some people do it more intentionally than others. But I, I do absolutely believe that there are many powerful people, people in the world who are trying to. And intentionally pursuing, tapping into occultic demonic power to bolster the, you know, subversive and evil work that they're doing.

Ian Crossland (63:18)

So is it when it's demonic, is that.

Phil (63:20)

That they're.

Ian Crossland (63:20)

They're allowing the animal aspect of themselves to take over and run the show as opposed to the divine inspiratory aspect of the human, the consciousness, the, you know, you know, like if I do.

Libby Emmons (63:31)

Would not be animal, it would be evil.

William Wolf (63:33)

Yeah. We're using different categories.

Ian Crossland (63:35)

The animal being the destructive consumptory, kills to eat. It wants money to protect itself. It wants to be warm. So it will kill people to get warm. Like it takes over. Without the animal, you're nothing. So you have these two aspects.

William Wolf (63:50)

So the terminology that I would use is actually really. And it's interesting. In our. Before we got on camera, you were talking about pride, right? So Satan is, many people say, sort of like the first sin was the sin of pride, Satan wanting to become God. So I wouldn't use the phrase animal so much as. It's as we are creators. God made us to worship and love and serve him. We've rejected that. Instead, we're trying to dethrone God, make ourselves God. That's, you know, Satan's rejection of his place in God's created order as a created being, worshiping and serving him. So that is really the pursuit of deity and rebellion against God.

Ian Crossland (64:32)

Do you think that AI is like a manifestation of humans attempting to become God?

William Wolf (64:39)

I'm, I'm not going to weigh in on that.

Ian Crossland (64:41)

I'm not 100% sure I feels inevitable, which is why I wonder if. If the humans are attempting to. To usurp the power of God, whatever that means. The ability to create atomic printing, take. To take hydrogen and make oil, make food, make water, make whatever you need because you can fuse it all together really fast.

William Wolf (64:57)

Okay, well, I know we're way off topic here, but Ian's running me down a site, so let me answer the AI question here real quick. I believe that man, you know, God has gifted man with incredible faculties and abilities. So the bill. The ability to, to produce something like AI as a tool, I can see very much as just an exercise of the dominion mandate. It's. And so, no, I don't actually think AI can ever actually be a God. Maybe some people in Silicon Valley, I know some people in Silicon Valley view it as an effort to create a God. I think that would be a poor way of trying to pursue the use of AI but, but it doesn't have to be that.

Ian Crossland (65:32)

Okay.

Phil (65:32)

All right, guys, we're gonna, we're gonna jump to this next story here, and we have a little bit of news on it as well as not just what was posted. Today. Kilmar or Brega Garcia is released from federal custody in Tennessee. From NBC News, Kilmar Abrego Garcia was released from federal custody Friday, months after he was wrongfully deported to an El Salvador prison.

Libby Emmons (65:52)

Where are you reading wrongfully?

Phil (65:54)

NBC News.

Libby Emmons (65:55)

Oh, that's.

Phil (65:56)

They say right there. Wrongfully.

Libby Emmons (65:58)

That's NBC.

Phil (65:59)

Yeah, they wrongfully. It was not wrong. They actually did the right thing. He was wrongfully deported to an El Salvador prison and accused of being a gang member. He was U. S. Magistrate Judge Barbara Holmes in the Middle District of Tennessee ordered Abrego Garcia's release from a jail near Nashville, Tennessee, where he had been held since he was freed from El Salvador's seacot Prison in June. Abrego Garcia is en route to his family in Maryland. Sean Hecker, one of his attorneys, said Abrego Garcia was unlawfully arrested and deported, which is wrong because he's here illegally. So.

Libby Emmons (66:32)

Yeah, and he was. Yeah.

Phil (66:34)

And he was caught trafficking people as well.

Libby Emmons (66:36)

Trafficking human beings.

Phil (66:37)

Yeah. This is. This is. This is absolutely. It is the opposite of informing people. It is absolutely just lying to people. Abrego Garcia was unlawfully arrested and deported and then imprisoned, all because of the government's vindictive attack on a man who had the courage to fight back against the administration's continuing assault on the rule of law. Hecker said in a statement. Now, I mean, granted, this is his lawyer that's saying that, but still, the fact that they ran with that quote and they do. No pushback, right?

Libby Emmons (67:08)

No, they think that. They think that it was 100% wrong to support this guy.

Phil (67:13)

He now has 48 hours to reach his brother's house in suburban Maryland, where the judge said he's allowed to live under a series of conditions. He'll also have to check in with immigration officials at ICE Baltimore field office. Abrego Garcia's attorney had requested the 30 day pause that prevented the client from walking free last month out of fear that he. He might be detained by federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers upon his release. That ruling followed two others that aimed to protect Abrego Garcia. This is insane. In July, the U.S. district Judge Waverly Crenshaw in Nashville sought to release Abrego Garcia. At the time, Crenshaw denied a government motion to block his release, writing that the Trump administration had failed to provide evidence that Abrego Garcia must remain detained or that he is a flight risk. This is insane.

Libby Emmons (67:55)

That's crazy. And the other thing that's crazy about that, too is that this Maryland man, Abrego Garcia, Garcia, he had a detainer. He had an immigration detainer. He was supposed to be deported. It's just that the judge in the case said that he should not be deported to El Salvador, given the conditions in El Salvador at the time. But since that time and since he was prior to when he was deported to El Salvador this year, conditions in El Salvador were substantially different. Most of the gangs that he had feared had already been imprisoned by Buchanan. Right. So the conditions that prevented his release to El Salvador were no longer in effect. It had been totally different. But now what's happened, and this is a development since. Yeah, you have to build Milugan up. And we actually got a statement at the Post Millennial from Kristi Noem about this. But can I read it?

Phil (68:46)

Yeah, if you have a statement from the Post Millennial, please.

Libby Emmons (68:48)

Oh, I can do that too. Can I do this one first?

Phil (68:50)

Sure, go ahead.

Libby Emmons (68:51)

Okay, so ICE put out a statement saying pursuant. Well, this was leaked, I think pursuant to the court order issued in the District Court of Maryland on July 23rd. Please let this email service notice that DHS may remove your client, Kilmar Amando Abrego Garcia, to Uganda no earlier than 72 hours from now because Uganda just agreed to take deported illegal immigrants that are not permitted to go back to their home country.

William Wolf (69:20)

So did they confirm that that's not fake?

Libby Emmons (69:22)

Yeah, this is not fake. And then to Post Millennial Christy Gnome said activist liberal judges have attempted to obstruct our law enforcement every step of the way in removing the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens from our country. Today we reached a new low with this publicity hungry Maryland judge mandating this illegal alien, who is an MS.13 gang member, human trafficker, serial domestic abuser and child predator, be allowed free.

Phil (69:47)

What. What costume do you think she was wearing when she was writing this statement?

Libby Emmons (69:50)

Do you? I think she. There must have been cowboy boots.

William Wolf (69:52)

This is probably. I don't know if she's writing. It's business Barbie.

Phil (69:55)

Yeah, there he goes. She's wearing, she's wearing it. She's riding. She's writing. This is definitely wearing a suit.

Ian Crossland (69:59)

And it's high for outfit on those. T shirt. Oh, yeah, certain suit and tie.

Phil (70:04)

Actually. She might have actually just been wearing like a male's suit that's fit for her.

Libby Emmons (70:08)

I don't think she. No, I don't think she has that. I think, I think she's big on the jeans with the blazer.

Phil (70:13)

Okay.

Libby Emmons (70:13)

T shirt like you said, the MAGA hat and the cowboy boots.

Guest/Additional Commentator (70:17)

That.

Phil (70:17)

Yeah, Yeah. I think I, I absolutely love Christy Noam and her cosplay. She is, she's taking, it's her look. She's taking official cosplay to new levels. Every time I see her south park.

Libby Emmons (70:28)

Thing where they had her face just smell beautiful.

Phil (70:30)

It was awesome.

Libby Emmons (70:31)

Yeah, I don't think she liked that very much.

Phil (70:33)

No, I mean, look, her, her, her AVI on. On X for a while was Christy Gnome with the, with the laser eyes. So, you know, she, she had to have at least A little bit of a sense of humor.

Libby Emmons (70:43)

Humor, yeah, yeah.

William Wolf (70:44)

Look, this case has been wild, right? Because I mean, the Democrats latched on to this guy like us, like he was like the reincarnation of Rosa Parks.

Phil (70:52)

Yeah.

William Wolf (70:53)

Like he's some sort of civil rights icon and hero when he's, you know, remember when Trump ran in 2016, so this is like in 2015 or something. And Trump says all these illegal immigrants, they're like criminals and they're rapists and everyone lost their mind. Like, oh, so racist. It's just like over and over again you scratch some illegal immigrant in this country and you find some MS.13 gang banger, like abusing pedophile.

Phil (71:22)

I want to, I want to narrow down on a point with that first in a second. But Libby, you were going to read the post millennial statement.

Libby Emmons (71:28)

You said, oh, I did.

Phil (71:29)

Okay, all right. I did so with that is it so, I mean, look, I can't help. I'm not, I'm not a particularly spiritual guy. I'm not particularly big on religion. I consider myself agnostic. I cannot help but listen to the Democrats and the things that they get behind and be like, you guys are literally trying to be comic book evil bad guys. Like, they get behind everything that is against good things, everything that is against anything that produces positive results for a family. They are just, they get behind all of the criminals. It literally is as if they are written by a comic book. And like, how can we make a political party that is just the evil guys? The guys that just like are like, it's evil. I love it. You know, it's like, it really is as if they are like just made in a, in a Hollywood movie to be. This is what bad guys are, man.

Ian Crossland (72:26)

Speaking of it, I think that's because they use Hollywood movie style media to manipulate them and brainwash them to these zombie horde mentalities. Personally.

William Wolf (72:34)

Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, I've said it like this before, right? The Democrats hate guys, they hate family, they hate marriage, they hate children, they hate our nation. So, like, figure out what it looks like to pursue a policy agenda that, you know, that displays a hatred for all those things which are, you know, fundamentally a part of what we would call the true, the good and the beautiful. And that's their policy program.

Ian Crossland (72:57)

Some of it's too, it's toxic compassion. Like, it's not manipulated necessarily by evil. You can manipulate good people into doing evil things. And a lot of times people, if they see a woman crying, they just think, I need to stop.

Phil (73:07)

Stop that.

Guest/Additional Commentator (73:08)

You Mean, like, you like, toxic empathy.

Ian Crossland (73:10)

Toxic empathy. Too much of it.

William Wolf (73:11)

You know, Weaponized empathy, suicidal compassion, toxic femininity. Yeah, yeah, sure. I mean, there's no doubt about that. But it's like, even then, it's so hypocritical, too, because it's like, you know what? They're weeping and wailing and gnashing their teeth and rending their garments and traveling down to El Salvador to see Kilmar when he's just a. He's a terrible guy. Right? So I think it really is just in that sense. It's really. It's performative empathy. That's the word I would use. It's performative empathy for somebody that they think fits into their sort of intersectionality boxes of an underprivileged individual that they can use to weaponize against the goodness of the American nation.

Ian Crossland (73:49)

Oh, that I find malicious. When people. I do believe you that there are people in positions of power that are not actually feeling the empathy, they're just pretending like they do. And to get the people that actually do feel the empathy to follow their lead, like, they're like, look, I care. I'm going to go to El Salvador. When deep down, like, it's a political stunt. Oh, looks important. Oh, I got a chance to say anything I want because they're busy. God is good. You are connected to the universe. Your thoughts are affecting reality. They're bending and twisting the web of fate.

William Wolf (74:19)

None of that is true.

Phil (74:20)

Okay, enough, Moon Lord.

Libby Emmons (74:22)

I just. I sent it to you on X.

Phil (74:24)

All right. Thank you. I, I, I don't have X here because I'm on Tim's.

William Wolf (74:28)

Ian's. Ian's gonna be like, don't bring this guy back. He contradicts everything I have to say.

Ian Crossland (74:32)

I need you to contradict I. For too long, I stuck around people that just said yes to everything I would say, and it was boring. I couldn't. I couldn't improve as a human.

William Wolf (74:38)

That must have been, like, when Biden was president.

Ian Crossland (74:41)

I just, I felt like I was. I felt like I was being kept in a cushy cage. What are you guys pulling up next? What are you talking about?

Phil (74:47)

Hold on a second.

Libby Emmons (74:47)

And a breaking.

Ian Crossland (74:49)

Oh, there's breaking news.

Phil (74:50)

Yeah. And it was. Yeah, you put it in the general.

Libby Emmons (74:52)

No, I put it in the IRL Slack. No, the scheduler.

Ian Crossland (74:56)

When you cut me off when it's time. But until your thoughts are vibrating your neurons, which is causing a resonation of the field around you, which the people in that resonation field then start to vibrate. And so that's how you have a fapic coupling of psychic communication. But I think the spirits of reality also are in that magnetic field.

Phil (75:15)

Yeah. So this is breaking the Trump administration. Live updates. FBI search home and office of John Bolton Trump critic turned a Trump advisor turned critic it looks like. I don't know why this, this is such a bit. What was that?

Libby Emmons (75:30)

The invest.

Phil (75:32)

Go ahead and read it, Libby.

Libby Emmons (75:34)

Yeah, so it turns out John Bolton is also being investigated for potential violations of the Espionage act, which makes it a crime to illegally retain or transmit national defense information, according to people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss details of the case. Yeah, this also came up on, I think on Jesse Waters as well.

Phil (75:55)

So. Yeah, so they're as, they're investigating Bolton as well. The Espionage act is a, you know, that's a very big deal. That, that implies that he's given, you know, national secrets to foreign entities. Right?

Libby Emmons (76:09)

Yeah. So that would mean that he was sharing classified information not just to write his dumb book, but to, to potentially undermine the foreign affairs of the Trump administration, which is what he's been trying to do since Trump came into office in January.

William Wolf (76:26)

Anyway, I'm thinking the T word is on the table here.

Phil (76:28)

The T word.

William Wolf (76:29)

I don't know if you know it.

Ian Crossland (76:30)

It's a very big word.

William Wolf (76:31)

It's a big word.

Phil (76:32)

It is treason.

William Wolf (76:33)

Treason.

Phil (76:34)

Very bad things.

William Wolf (76:35)

That's what this is.

Libby Emmons (76:36)

So that's pretty interesting. That really makes it a lot less of a so called political prosecution and it puts it into the realm of actual criminality.

Ian Crossland (76:44)

But if, if they're nailing the. Sorry, interrupt, you know, go for it. The espionage aspect of it, if it's that he took classified information and put it in his book and now the Chinese government's able to read his book. So that's espionage.

Phil (76:54)

I'm like, I think that's different.

Libby Emmons (76:55)

Yeah, I don't think I would hope. Yeah, that seems like that would.

Ian Crossland (76:59)

But this indicates that he's actually wired.

Libby Emmons (77:01)

Sending information to sharing sharing information with people that he is not authorized to share information with.

Phil (77:07)

This is totally pontificating. Or maybe I'm asking you guys totally to pontificate. But who, who do you like?

Libby Emmons (77:12)

That is the job.

Phil (77:13)

Who are the most likely, who are the most likely recipients of this information? Do you think that he would be sharing it with like Ukraine or with.

Libby Emmons (77:19)

Well, he was into the whole Ukraine war. Right. So I don't know. I mean, I'm not great with foreign affairs. I Gotta say, that was the first.

Phil (77:26)

Thing that came to mind for me is like Ukraine sharing information.

William Wolf (77:29)

We know that the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley was like calling the Chinese.

Phil (77:35)

Oh yeah.

William Wolf (77:36)

Offering them assurances that he had no right and no authority to do outside of the chain of command, undercutting the president, whom he answered to. So, I mean, you know, I got, I got to say, I don't know.

Phil (77:46)

Why they haven't called him back and actually court martialed that guy.

William Wolf (77:48)

You know, crazy.

Libby Emmons (77:49)

I forgot about that. That was seriously messed up.

William Wolf (77:52)

Well, bringing up Bolton and the Espionage act just reminded me of this and I just have to say, like, it's, it's time not to just have raids or we need arrests. Like, well, I mean we need a. Hopefully we're getting there, but like, yeah, we need arrests.

Phil (78:06)

This is something that we, that we talk about. There's a lot of people that are very, very even like that sit around the table a lot. We were talking about last night. There are people that are extremely impatient. They believe that Donald Trump should have come back in and like people should have been arrested immediately. And I'm, I've been like, look, you need to understand that there is a process that they have to go through because you don't want people to get arrested and then get away with it. If you don't have all your ducks in a row and you don't have all of this stuff together, when you prosecute and you charge them and they get out because you didn't have your, your s together, then you can't charge them again because of the, because double jeopardy, right? Like they've already beaten the charge. You can't charge them again. You don't want to just willy nilly do this stuff. Now I hear, and this is just stuff that I've read on X and stuff, but I hear there are grand juries being assembled for multiple different infringements or different charges that have been brought against people or they're looking to see. So I do think that arrest will be called coming or more arrests will be coming. But I think that this situation with Bolton, it shows that they are working on this stuff. And, and so I agree with you totally. I would, I want to see more, but I also have, at least as far as my, you know, my gut says, like patience is better because it means that if they do make an arrest, they have a more solid case. You know, the feds have like a 95%, they have like a 95% conviction rate when they or Higher. Like if they arrest someone, they have.

Ian Crossland (79:42)

Their shit together or they're kangaroo courting it up, you know, one or the other. But. Well, I mean, those numbers are possible.

William Wolf (79:47)

But one of the issues here, too is that, like, for a lot of these things, we've been aware of them for so many years, and it's like, well, yeah, well, Biden, it was Biden's doj. Like Biden, they weren't going to go roll up Mark Milley. Right. You know, or look into. They, they, they closed the case on Bolton. Right. So it's like, you're right. It's, it's only August still. It's not even September yet.

Phil (80:07)

So.

William Wolf (80:07)

Good, good word, Phil.

Phil (80:08)

You know, I just, I, like I said, I mean, I have the same impulses. I want to see people go to jail that have violated the law. I think that there's been tons of political prosecutions from the Democrats. There was a point that you made earlier. You were talking about you think that the Democrats would come after possibly you. I think that if the Democrats get back into power, I think they will come after people like Joe Rogan. They'll come after people like Tim. They'll come after people all over the right people that are influencers, because the influencers, they believe that the influencers are why they lost. They don't believe that their policies were bad. They don't believe that, that people rejected Kamala Harris because of her inability and her, her stunning lack of political skill. They believe that it was because influencers and people were lying and telling stories and all sorts of things. They believe that free speech is a bad thing. So I think that they will come after a lot of conservatives using whatever tools they have at their disposal, which the federal government has significant tools at their disposal. I mean, they'll come after as many people as they can.

Ian Crossland (81:05)

What do you think about. And this is a little bit of a tangent, but I really want to talk about Gavin Newsom, because I think he saw what you're talking about, that it was the, the power of the, the communication of like podcasts and things that elevated, like Trump went on Rogan two weeks before the election, went on Theo Vaughn, huge exposure to a new crowd of people or people that didn't quite know maybe were on the fence. And Newsom saw that. So he's been doing podcast runs. I think he's going to be the Democratic nominee in 28.

Libby Emmons (81:31)

He's willing it to action. He put it on his, you know, he put it on his, his wish board. He's Going to make it happen.

Ian Crossland (81:38)

Okay, so it'd be him and J.D. vance if things.

Libby Emmons (81:40)

Yeah, you already see him going after J.D. vance. There was this crazy thing this week where Gavin Newsom posted a picture of himself in high school versus Vance. And he looks like this prep school pretty boy with a really nice scarf. And J.D. vance looks kind of like a fat, weird. And you're looking at it and you're like, I'd rather have the fat, weird kid than the guy with the pretty boy with the scarf.

William Wolf (82:01)

Yeah. You know, a couple of points on that one is that I think it, I think Newsom will probably, probably get it. But you have to remember, I'm not so sure that. Well, I was going to say, you have to remember that like so much of it has to go through the black vote, and particularly in the south. And are they going to go for Newsom or not? It was when Biden. Biden was struggling in, in the primary. You know, Clyburn had to go like, drag his rear across the finish line in South Carolina to lock it up for.

Phil (82:30)

I'm not so sure that Clyburn will give. Give the blessing to Gavin Newsom. And if Clyburn doesn't give him the blessing, he will not be the guy. First of all. Second of all, I don't think that the, you know as well as anyone else that the, the Democrat Party has so many people that are very committed to the progressive agenda, to the whole woke thing. You know, a white guy with that. I mean, if you saw the, you've seen the pictures of his family bond.

Libby Emmons (82:55)

Family really care about that. They only care about power.

Phil (82:58)

No, the progressives. The progressives in that are the people that are going to be voting in the primary care. The people that are vote like your major Democrats have no leader.

Libby Emmons (83:07)

I mean, the thing is, he's the.

Phil (83:08)

Hold on, hold on. They're going to. They're going to. I think that he would have a significantly difficult time getting over that hump. He would need. And one of our guests that was here the other day made a great point. He would need someone like Crockett as the vp, which is kind of hilarious.

Libby Emmons (83:26)

Podcast the other day.

Phil (83:27)

No, he.

Libby Emmons (83:27)

He had her on the other day and he was praising her and telling her how wonderful she is. Yeah, she's awful. And she went out there saying that ICE are supposed to be Uber drivers for illegal immigrants. That's their whole job.

Phil (83:39)

Insane.

William Wolf (83:40)

She just got redistricted.

Phil (83:41)

And tell Texas, well, she might be looking for a job, but if you, if you have, if you have someone like Jasmine Crockett, then maybe he has a better chance. But I don't know if he can do it alone because the Democrat Party still has that civil war going on. Are they a normal party or are they the Progressive Party?

Ian Crossland (83:59)

It seems like they. They failed. The Progressive Democratic Party has failed and is shattered. And now Newsom's there to pick up the pieces. I don't think he's really a nut job, but it has.

Phil (84:08)

Hasn't yet.

Ian Crossland (84:08)

It has in the process. Yeah.

Phil (84:10)

It hasn't left behind the WOKE stuff. There's a massive fight in the, in the Democrat Party about whether they are the. Between the progressives and the liberals. Just the other day, someone that the, that Kayla, the not so Erudite was posting on X and I thought it was a ridiculous thing that she said, but she said that she was. She had a clip of the, the woman and the, the black Republican guy and the, and the, the rat. The radical progressive from Jubilee and where the woman was doing all of the intersectional making all the intersectional arguments and the, the. The conservative. Yeah, the conservative kid just ragdolled her. He just beat the snot out of her. And Kayla said something along the lines of, you know, Democrats or liberals should have never agreed to this stuff. We don't agree to it. Talking about the progressive ideology. We don't agree to it. And we should never let these people get so loud. I personally think they're going to elect.

Libby Emmons (85:05)

Mom Donnie to lead New York City.

Phil (85:06)

I personally think that that statement is ridiculous. I think that she's saying that because. Because there are so many people that have actually come out against woke. The Democrats have never had a worse or haven't had a such a bad brand in 50 years or something like that. And I think that she's doing damage control because your average liberal absolutely was on board with all the progressive stuff. When they thought they were winning. They were all on board with it. You know, it was very rare. There were very few, there were few not. And maybe Kayla's one of them. I don't, I'm not familiar with, with, with her work, but there are very few people in the Democrat Party that were what you would consider regular liberals, not progressives, but regular liberals that were speaking up against the progressives because the progressives were so loud and so aggressive and they would call them all. They would call them all the names. They would call them racist, blah, blah, blah, if you tried to push back. So nobody had the balls to.

Libby Emmons (85:59)

So those people are now in the Republican Party. And they voted for Trump.

Phil (86:03)

So the idea that the liberals weren't on board with it, I think is totally ridiculous.

Ian Crossland (86:06)

Some of the liberals were afraid of. They were voting, voting against Trump, not necessarily for the psycho policies, but. And so those people. Now is the opportunity, because there won't be Trump in 8:28. Obviously, it'll be Vance, probably. And it's just a matter of, is Vance going to scare people? Like, I don't think he needs to.

Phil (86:20)

It doesn't matter if Vance is going to scare people. The right, the left is going to scare people. They were, they were preparing the field for Vance to be considered worse than Donald Trump. The argument's going to be, look, Donald Trump was bad, but Donald Trump was a buffoon. J.D. vance is much smarter. J.D. vance went to, went to, I think he went to Harvard. Right. He went to this, this elite, the ivy League School. J.D. vance made a bunch of money in the, the tech world. He's much smarter. He's much more dangerous. He's worse than Trump was Hitler.

William Wolf (86:48)

But J.D. vance exactly is worse.

Phil (86:50)

You know that they were doing it when.

Libby Emmons (86:52)

Well, he's not Stalin. Like, they couldn't say that, but they.

Phil (86:55)

Were doing that exact same thing when, when what's his name from Florida was running DeSantis Santis. They started laying the groundwork for DeSantis is worse than Trump because. And it was the same argument. Trump's above buffoon and DeSantis is smart. DeSantis is a lawyer. DeSantis is this Trump. So he has worse than Trump, but.

Libby Emmons (87:12)

Nothing to do with Gavin Newsom. And you were saying that you think that the Democrats aren't gonna go for Newsom because he's a white guy. And I think when the Democrats are in trouble, they always go back to the white guy, because all of those liberal women who go out there and complain about everybody, they really just trust a white guy.

Phil (87:27)

I think they have to figure out who they are as a party.

Libby Emmons (87:29)

They are not gonna figure that out. And when they do figure it out, it's gonna be the far left. That's what they're gonna go for. They're leaning towards Mamdan, they're leaning towards all that stuff. And that's why you see the big problem where Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, they're not endorsing Mamdani, but they're also not saying anything against him because they can't. They have to wait and see what happens.

William Wolf (87:50)

No, but revolution never stops where you Cuomo.

Libby Emmons (87:53)

They're not gonna New Yorkers aren't gonna.

William Wolf (87:54)

Go for Cuomo of perpetual revolution. And so I mean, it's called they.

Libby Emmons (87:59)

Didn'T used to be. They didn't used to be. I mean, if the Democrats could actually go back to their non racist roots as a party that is pro union, where you can be a pro life Democrat, where you're pro social safety net. But you're like the 1986 liberals.

William Wolf (88:18)

Well, no, I know what you're saying, but I mean, I just, I don't see it.

Libby Emmons (88:21)

That's now what MAGA is.

William Wolf (88:23)

That's six feet underground on the left.

Libby Emmons (88:25)

Well, it's what MAGA is, right? MAGA has taken that place. Like you can be a pro choice MAGA Republican, you can be that. Right. You can't be the reverse of that on the left. It's just, it just doesn't exist.

Ian Crossland (88:39)

I think a lot about parties and I actually posted that the party doesn't make the man, the man makes the party. And when you look at a democr. A party, a political party, it doesn't matter what it's called, who's in the party right now, that's what that party is. What are they saying? That's what that party is. And it can change from moment. Tomorrow it might be a completely different party if we have 18 new people and 18 people leave. So keep that in mind.

William Wolf (89:00)

Well, on that point, they released this whole list of words. I don't know if you saw this. They were like, here are words Democrats need to stop using, like birthing people and chest feeding and centering and let everything.

Phil (89:13)

LGBTQIA was holding space.

William Wolf (89:16)

Holding space. The point there is that if you're trying to like counsel your radical activists and not even that radical, it's like pretty widespread throughout the party to stop using words like chest feeding and birthing people like, that's, that's who the party is. I don't think their messaging discipline is going to change that.

Phil (89:34)

Well, I mean, yeah, I think, I think you're right. And that's, that's my point. I think that the progressives are the actual heart and soul of the party now. I think that the, just like Libby was saying, like Democrats have left. Democrats came over to the MAGA side in large part. Now there's some people that really, you know, they have to hold their nose and vote for Donald Trump, but they still did. And I think that someone like J.D. vance is probably less offensive than Donald Trump to those people. And I think that the Democrats are actually going to end up being the progressive party. And the old school, you know, normal Democrats are actually going to, going to evaporate.

Libby Emmons (90:07)

You guys saw the thing last night, right? In, in Virginia, Winsome Sears, Lieutenant Governor, she's running for governor. She was out there having a rally and some people showed up to protest her. And this white one, this gray haired white lady, held up a sign and it literally read, hey Winsome, Winsome's a black woman. Hey Winsome, if trans can't share your bathroom, then blacks can't share my water fountain.

William Wolf (90:34)

I saw that.

Phil (90:35)

Leave it to Democrats.

William Wolf (90:35)

It was great because it gave me an opportunity to make this point with this theory that I have, which I think is 100% factual, as all my theories are, is that white boomer woke progressives are the only actual really racist people left in America.

Libby Emmons (90:54)

And they're going around yelling at us about anti racism all the time.

William Wolf (90:57)

They grew up like, they grew up sort of in the vestiges of like institutionalized racism to whatever degree it did exist in this country.

Libby Emmons (91:05)

Well, there was Jim Crow. I mean, that stuff exists.

William Wolf (91:07)

Yeah, right, right. But I mean like after the, like, however much continued, even, even in uninstitutionalized fashion. But anyway, these people, like, they actually don't like minorities.

Libby Emmons (91:17)

Right.

William Wolf (91:17)

So it's like all your like 23.

Libby Emmons (91:19)

Year olds, they like them to do their lawns and house.

William Wolf (91:21)

Exactly. It's like, who's going to pick our crops? Like all the 23 year old zoomers who share like the racist memes, like those guys aren't actually racist. This lady who held the sign up is right. Like she really actually is. And this gave her an opportunity to display it, you know, finally one time.

Phil (91:37)

Again, have you heard of Nick Frank Fuentes?

William Wolf (91:38)

Well, yeah, I mean, I know because.

Phil (91:40)

I know that man is actually racist.

Ian Crossland (91:42)

A lot of what Nick does is performative too.

Phil (91:44)

He mixes it up maybe, but he's definitely.

Libby Emmons (91:47)

I thought that this thing with this sign was really, was really pretty amazing because she had to, she hand lettered this sign, she had to write this down, she had to read it over and make sure there weren't any mistakes. She put American flags on either side of this sign so that everyone would know this is what she thought America was on all about. And then she went out there in public and said that, you know, transgender and gender ideology is the same thing as equality under the law for races. Even though obviously races, all races have two sexes. There's no difference. You know, there's no difference. And there are no rights that transgender people don't have. There are not any rights that transgender people don't have.

William Wolf (92:30)

In fact, there are rights that they seem to have that nobody else, nobody else has, like the right to go invade, you know, an opposite gender, private space, bathroom, whatever.

Libby Emmons (92:39)

Right.

William Wolf (92:39)

All kinds of weird special trans rights.

Phil (92:41)

A lot of these problems could, a lot of these problems will get solved when people stop using the phrase gender. Gender is a made up thing. Sex is real. Gender is make believe.

Libby Emmons (92:52)

Well, of course, I mean, gender was created as a concept essentially by feminists so that they could say that there were not innate roles that were specifically for women.

Phil (93:04)

Yeah.

Libby Emmons (93:05)

You know, if you look at the roots of, if you look at feminism in the 20th century, it caused this problem rather substantially. This problem would not exist.

Phil (93:15)

Gender, otherwise, stop using the phrase gender. Gender isn't real. Sex is real. Biological sex is real. Men are men, women are women. And all that other stuff is just mumbo jumbo to confuse you. But we're going to jump to one quick story here at the end here from NPR. Intel will give the U.S. government a 10% stake, says Trump. President Trump said on Friday he has asked Intel CEO Lip Bao for tan for Lip Bao tan for a 10% stake in the company during a recent meeting at the White House. He agreed and they've agreed to it and I think it's a great deal for them. Trump told reporters he's, he's walked in wanting to keep his job and ended up giving us 10 billion for the United States States, Trump said.

Libby Emmons (93:57)

So that means that the United States has 10% stake in Intel.

Phil (94:00)

That's what it says.

Libby Emmons (94:02)

Is that fascism, by the way? Is that sort of unprecedented? That seems a little crazy.

Phil (94:07)

No, it's not unprecedented because the fact that, I mean you, you had a.

Libby Emmons (94:11)

Stake in Ford or anything or Boeing, GM.

Phil (94:13)

They did right after the 2008. Yeah. And they, they owned a bunch of gym.

Libby Emmons (94:17)

What about all the banks?

Phil (94:18)

Yeah, it's not, it's not impressive. Hold on, hold on, guys. The point, the point of this, I think, and I haven't read this through yet, but I think the point of this is to do something to increase the United States access to chips that are necessary for national defense. Because right now there's tons of really complex chips that go into all kinds of missiles and all kinds of planes and all kinds of stuff. And the US Outsources that stuff to Taiwan. Right. A lot of chips that are made in Taiwan. So if I end, if I understand correctly, this is because they want access to the semiconductor industry. So hold on a second. In a statement Released on the company's website late Friday afternoon, Intel confirmed that the government would take, would make a 8.9 billion investment in intel common stock, reflecting the confidence the administration has in intel to advance key national priorities and the critically important role the company plays in expanding the domestic semiconductor industry. So the point is they need, we need to have semiconductors, semiconductors built here for national defense, for all of the, all of the high tech military assets that we have. So this is something that I've actually talked about a bit and I've inquired with people, should we have some kind of Manhattan Project style, you know, program to shore up our semiconductor availability here in the US because without, should China decide to take Taiwan. Go on. We are almost guaranteed or we're almost required to help them because of national security. Right. You have to engage in a war because if we don't, we don't have the ability to provide the semiconductors that we need not just for our, you know, our phones or whatever, but for actual necessary things for national security, for, for military planes, for, for, you know, anti air systems, for missiles and stuff like that. Those things are necessary. Necessary.

Libby Emmons (96:13)

If it would be, if they took the whole company.

Ian Crossland (96:15)

Yes, it would be. But it starts with 10%.

Libby Emmons (96:17)

Right, but.

Ian Crossland (96:18)

Well, no, I don't think so. I think it's when the government and the corporations collude to take power.

Libby Emmons (96:22)

That's oligarchy.

Phil (96:22)

But that's not. And it's not, they're not, there's a.

Ian Crossland (96:24)

Small group of wealthy men, they're not.

Phil (96:26)

They'Re not colluding to take power.

Ian Crossland (96:27)

This isn't power is 10% stock in it.

Phil (96:30)

But the, but the point is it's a, it's the government working with the company in order to be able to produce the things necessary that the government, you know, the thing the government needs.

Ian Crossland (96:38)

I'm not saying fashion fascism is evil. Some fascism is good. And in a way this might be a very good thing because if it comes to life and death, I'll take fascism and survival over not fascism and death. And if it means that we need to step up our government, our government needs to take control of the private company to make weapons to, for our survival. Well, that's an argument.

Phil (96:55)

10% stake is not taking control. What's their step though?

Libby Emmons (96:59)

Okay, so, but that's a different, that's a question of if there's going to be another step. 10% is not the point of, of.

Phil (97:05)

That is giving them money, right? That's what they did. They gave intel money. So that way intel could expand in.

Ian Crossland (97:12)

The US but they just like printed 8 trillion and gave. Or 8 billion and gave it to them.

Phil (97:15)

Yes.

Ian Crossland (97:16)

Okay. I mean, that's not the word. Maybe we, I'm with you on the superconductor. I mean, we need chip production in the United States and we need to step on it and get it going. We need to put the gas on that.

Phil (97:26)

Yeah. I mean, personally, I think there's a couple industries that the US should, needs to really put some, put some effort into. I think when it comes to energy creation, I think nuclear, I think that, I mean, possibly, excuse me, possibly solar. I'm not, I'm not against solar power. I think that in the, in the future it's probably going to be more common.

Ian Crossland (97:48)

Also piezoelectric. Have you followed that much? They've just developed these like walkways that charge in Tokyo.

Phil (97:54)

Yeah, oh yeah. They walk on them. Yeah, yeah.

Ian Crossland (97:55)

It's just the, the stress, the tension creates electricity.

Phil (97:58)

Yeah, that's great for, for helping shoes. That's great for helping, helping like, you know, municipalities and stuff like that. But I'm thinking of stuff like, I'm thinking the stuff that, that would be able to.

Ian Crossland (98:06)

Explosive force.

Phil (98:07)

Well, not, well, not so much that. I'm thinking of stuff that would be able to, to run, you know, data processing centers, things that that AI is going to need because the US Isn't going to be in an arms race with AI with other countries over AI because AI could possibly be the, could possibly be a revolutionary technology that, that makes other countries military assets almost useless. So that's possible. But what do you guys think? Do you think this is a good idea? Do you think at, at this price point? Do you think it's a smart move? Do you guys have, have a, an idea about it?

William Wolf (98:43)

I mean, there's no doubt that making sure that we have reduced dependence on supply chains that could be easily threatened or weaponized against us. Whether it's in the chase, like we have, you know, supply chain dependence on China for a whole host of different things. Things this was exposed during the pandemic. We rely on chip production in Taiwan, which is in a very vulnerable region. And you know, there's been some really good work being done by Elbridge Colby on sort, on the Taiwan issue in particular, and trying to get like Pacific allies to step up to the plate on that. So that's important. Maybe this is a part of that strategy. You know, I'm going to pull Donald Trump. You're just now telling me this for the first time. So, you know, it does seem odd to me. It's, it seems odd. Like, I mean I trust it's not illegal, you know, that we're, we're purchasing, you know, investment in a company. It does feel a little bit like picking winners and losers. But intel was already maybe winner. Maybe intel is the only game in town. And if that's the case, then you know.

Libby Emmons (99:43)

Yeah, I mean they're also stopping them from selling chips to China. Wasn't that a thing?

Phil (99:47)

There are certain chips that, that no one can sell to China. So like, like Nvidia, which there's, there's. Nvidia is already the winner. Like lately in the past five years, Nvidia has been absolutely crushing Intel.

Libby Emmons (99:59)

I have no idea.

Phil (99:59)

And I don't think this, that I don't think 10 billion for intel is going to boot, you know, boost up intel to the capacity that Nvidia has. Nvidia has been just crushing when it comes to chip manufacturing. So I, I don't think that it's actually picking winners and losers. I do get the feeling that this is just about security, securing access to chips made here in the U.S. but yeah, I think that, I mean personally I think that it's a good thing because the US needs to have the ability to produce chips for our, our national defense.

William Wolf (100:29)

As long as these jobs aren't going to be given to H1B visas. Well, so if we're building chips in the United States of America, we darn well better make sure that the jobs are going to American citizens.

Phil (100:41)

I mean, I agree. I think that, that personally I think the, the whole H1B visa program should be ended for a decade at least.

Ian Crossland (100:49)

So normally the government would subsidize the industry and then intel would reap the rewards. Maybe 9 billion in tax, you know, write offs or something. So the idea that the government bought stake in a private company with my money is very strange. Unprecedented as are a lot of things.

Phil (101:05)

It's not unprecedented though because what happened before they bought in us, they baked basically when they bailed out GM. They bought GM in 2008 right after the, right after the, the seize the means. There was a bunch of banks, they bought brothers. Yeah, like this is not unprecedented at all.

Ian Crossland (101:21)

What are they buy and liquidate it?

Phil (101:22)

No, they just gave them money.

William Wolf (101:23)

You know, I think Ian's like, Ian's right though. Like it's a little bit different in that, that this is a proactive measure being taken to sort of accelerate a positive development versus a reactive measure being taken to ameliorate a Disaster.

Phil (101:37)

How do you think. How do you different.

William Wolf (101:39)

Two different things?

Phil (101:40)

How different in your mind is this to the Manhattan Project?

William Wolf (101:42)

Well, so you. You had brought up the Manhattan. It was funny because Ian was like, this is fascism. Then you're like, manhattan Project. And Ian's like, yes, we need it. So I was like, trying to track, like, the Manhattan Project. It was a. Was a different thing. That wasn't. That wasn't the United States, like, you know, heavily investing in one particular company. It was a collaboration to solve, like, sort of a critical civilizational issue with heavy government investment in a project. Like in a government project.

Libby Emmons (102:10)

Right.

William Wolf (102:10)

So this is. I mean, it's just. Those are two different things.

Phil (102:12)

Wouldn't this be. Wouldn't this be significantly less impactful, like the $10 billion to a company that already exists, as opposed to literally bootstrapping the technology, the infrastructure, and the weapon itself?

William Wolf (102:27)

Yeah, but the, the difference here is, is the Manhattan Project project was fundamentally federal funding for a federal project. This is federal investment in a private company.

Phil (102:40)

Okay?

William Wolf (102:40)

So that's sort of the difference.

Phil (102:41)

So from. From, for me, at least from my perspective, the way that, the way that I see it, I feel like it's a much smaller effort than. Than something like the Manhattan Project. Right.

William Wolf (102:51)

I have no idea what the price tag was on the Manhattan Project.

Libby Emmons (102:53)

It was crazy. Yeah, that's my guess. I don't know. I don't mind it. I don't mind the investment in. In intel if, if the, you know, if the stated goals are these AI race things and whatever else. I don't. I don't think I mind it very much.

Ian Crossland (103:08)

I've been deeply concerned about Taiwan, that's for sure. So, I mean, I see the solution they're aiming at.

Phil (103:13)

The, The. Adjusted for inflation, the Manhattan Project was 35.4 billion.

William Wolf (103:18)

So over how long a lot of money to build.

Libby Emmons (103:20)

Only a couple of years.

Phil (103:22)

Yeah, it is a lot of money to build a bump. But they had to. They had to invent the tax technology. You know, it was $2 billion back in 1940.

Libby Emmons (103:30)

That's what has to happen now. Right? Like, technology has to be invented and.

Ian Crossland (103:34)

Which would be AI. The government, so.

Phil (103:36)

Well, that's what the chips are part of what the chips are for, I imagine.

Ian Crossland (103:39)

And then maybe they are working.

William Wolf (103:40)

Chips power everything. I mean, the world runs on semi.

Phil (103:43)

And. And again, I don't think that, like, the government shouldn't be making chips just for, like, they shouldn't be investing in intel so that we have chips to run iPhones. Right. They should be investing in. If they're investing in intel, the chips should be exclusively for military uses for, For. For anti air missiles, for cruise missiles. Yeah, that. And that, to me, that's why it's acceptable. Because, like, look, man, I don't need the government to put $8 billion into Intel. So that way my microwave can connect to the Internet. Right. I don't care about.

Libby Emmons (104:14)

Yeah, I definitely don't. I have no appliances that talk.

Phil (104:17)

Yeah. You know, you know, like, I don't need.

Libby Emmons (104:19)

We don't need extra for.

Phil (104:20)

We don't need to make sure that the roombas are safe. Right. We need to make sure, sure that the F35s can fly, that the F22s can fly that, that, you know, cruise missiles can work, that we have the ability to defend the United States and our interest rates stay up.

William Wolf (104:35)

Any of those goals. I mean, maybe it's not unprecedented. I don't know, maybe there's been other times where we've proactively invested in a certain company to help procure a particular outcome, but.

Libby Emmons (104:46)

Yeah, well, we've also done things like NASA, right? So NASA is a mass, massive public enterprise, and without it, we would have no private space companies. Like, we're the only country that has private space companies. That's pretty baller, right?

William Wolf (105:00)

Yeah.

Libby Emmons (105:01)

And without the investment that we put into NASA, that would like, there'd be no SpaceX, there'd be no. Whatever Jeff Bezos's one is. What, blue Origin? There wouldn't be any of that stuff without that major investment. So I do think that there is a place for a government investment to boost industry and things. I just think that a lot of it has to be done with a mind toward what the marketplace wants. Like Joe Biden's EV charging stations all across the country. That was a bad idea. And there weren't that many of them. Just like Kamala Harris's EV buses, you know, that broke and no school districts wanted them.

Ian Crossland (105:36)

Was that all done through subsidy?

Libby Emmons (105:38)

Yeah, that was all done through executive orders and subsidies and mandates and all kinds of things like that. So it wasn't, it wasn't like. It was like the government put out RFPs for contracts and then, you know, awarded contracts.

Phil (105:52)

All right, we're gonna, we're gonna go to super chat. So why don't you guys smash the like button, share the show with everyone. You know, head on over to rumble.com and become a member there. So you can join us for the after show, which is not tonight because it's Friday, but Monday through Thursday. We do an after show. It's available on, on rumble.com. it's uncensored. We can say the things on Rumble that we can't say on YouTube. Then you should head on over to Timcast.com where you can become a member there. Join our discord. So that way you can call into the after show, you can ask the panel, you can talk, you can ask questions of the, the guest, you can find like minded people. You can watch the podcasts that are that have started in the discord. Maybe you'll meet your girlfriend, maybe you'll make some babies. Who knows that's happened a couple times.

Ian Crossland (106:30)

Maybe be your boyfriend.

Phil (106:31)

No. Yeah. Or your boyfriend, you know. But right now we're going to read some super chats. The cleaner 47129 just said just welcomed my son, third child to the world today. I' figured I would continue the tradition of announcing on Timcast. Thank you very much sir. Congratulations.

Ian Crossland (106:47)

Awesome dude.

Phil (106:48)

Make more. We, we, we are very big fans of babies here at Tim cast. We, we want to see you guys have a happy family and, and a happy life and babies tend to make people happy. So congratulations.

Ian Crossland (107:00)

And like as you get older you'll notice the, your, your aunt, your, your, the, the adults will start to die off in your life and like if you don't have the younger generation there, it's kind of of lonely.

Phil (107:09)

Sovereign Fish says unsubbed until Phil Lobotomy is no longer on the show. Dudes, a total clown show. Here's 10 bucks. Do a trick clown. Thanks for the $10.

Ian Crossland (107:20)

It's a good click you made with your mouth.

Phil (107:22)

Ian's on. Yoder says Ian's on tonight. Hope he talks about graphene.

Ian Crossland (107:26)

I didn't yet, but when we were talking about industrializing through government purchasing of companies, I wonder if they're going to start buying graphene companies.

Phil (107:34)

Jesse Hughes says William Wolf, the most based Baptist I know. So he's got some fans out there.

Ian Crossland (107:39)

Didn't even get religion much too.

William Wolf (107:41)

I mean, yeah, I mean you were saying crazy things that I didn't really have a chance to like say straight on it.

Phil (107:45)

We told you, we told you and you sat down. We were like he's gonna say some crazy stuff. You're like, what do you mean? Like you'll see. Get ready. This is my favorite.

William Wolf (107:53)

I'll talk to you after.

Phil (107:55)

Cal says, big fan. First super chat. Per tradition. I'm here with my wife who's working on bringing our daughter into the world. Thanks for helping us stay informed enough to hopefully make the world a better place for her. Go Tim. Crude. Cheers. Thank you very much for the super chat. Congratulations and best wishes to your wife and to your daughter. And if, if this is not your first, great. If it's your first, make more. Raymond G. Stanley says. Holy moly. John Bolton got raided. We need to do a wellness check on a lot Bolton Bros unite. I'm. I'm hearing through the grapevine that a Lot's mustache is quivering in fear.

Ian Crossland (108:32)

We wanted to make Elad and John Bolton the thunder thumbnail, but a little too just.

Phil (108:37)

It's okay like that. Like the Family Guy. It's okay. Did they hurt you? Oh, it's okay. Let's see. Alec Pitt says bolton lied about WMDs in Iraq. Yeah.

William Wolf (108:49)

Fact check. True.

Libby Emmons (108:52)

So did Colin Powell.

Phil (108:53)

True. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (108:55)

Or was he given fake information that.

Libby Emmons (108:57)

He repeated he was given fake information about the yellow cake and then he had to go before the UN and apocalypse Apologize.

William Wolf (109:03)

Okay.

Libby Emmons (109:03)

That must have been really humiliating for him.

Phil (109:05)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (109:05)

Yeah. Because saying something that that's untrue, that you think is real is different than lying.

Libby Emmons (109:09)

Yeah, No, I think that's true.

Phil (109:11)

Daniel the Master McCullen says. Phil, in my opinion as a, as an American born trucker, you're wrong about trucks. Most people can drive a truck forward, but few can back them up. Sucks that illegals ruin it for the actual hard working, legit drivers. Look man, I agree about it. Sucks that illegals have ruined it for the American hard, hard working truck drivers. I agree totally. I've spent a lot of time, you know, driving on the roads because of touring and stuff and, and the bus is, you know, 45 foot and stuff. So I, I get what you're saying and you know, I've noticed the difference when you stop at truck stops to fuel up, you know, you see a lot of people that are not American, that are not, you know, native born Americans or that don't speak English or whatever. And that's a massive problem. We need people in the United States that are working, working and that are doing things like driving, driving 18 wheelers. Like they need to be able to speak English. So it's good that the Trump administration is cracking down on this. Hopefully they are as brutal about it as I want them to be. Because I think all of these people that are here on visas that can't speak English, like if you can't speak English, you should not be driving a truck. You shouldn't have a cdl.

Libby Emmons (110:16)

Well, that guy couldn't even read the highway signs.

Phil (110:18)

Exactly my point.

William Wolf (110:19)

You get a CDL license. If you can't speak, you go to California.

Libby Emmons (110:23)

It turns out that in California. In. Was it California?

William Wolf (110:27)

Okay, speaking of California.

Libby Emmons (110:28)

No, it turns out that there was a bribery scheme going on. So there was a. There was a guy who was paying. No, seriously. Yeah, yeah, there was a guy who.

William Wolf (110:38)

Third world behavior.

Libby Emmons (110:39)

Someone paying another company. Paying the testing company off to pass failing students.

Phil (110:43)

Yeah, you're 100% right. The idea that you can just pay someone and Washington. Yeah. In America, that, like, if, I mean, look, if you give, if you try to give a police officer money when they pull you over, you should go to jail.

Libby Emmons (110:57)

Yeah, that should not be.

Phil (110:58)

But in other countries, it's. It's normal. It's what you do. You give the police officer money and then they let you go. And you don't have to deal with all the stuff you have to give, you know, whatever the police. I don't know what it costs to private cop, but that's something that's normal all over the world. It's normal in Russia. It's normal in all. All over South America. America, like Africa. That's just the way that it is. So it's special and unique and, and something that we need to try to make sure that remains about America. Like that is not acceptable behavior here. You can't just give someone money and they'll go ahead and say, okay, well, we'll let you through even though you can't do it. And that's what's going on. And like you said, it's third world behavior. And it's because we have so many people that are here from countries and from cultures that are so different. Different from our country. And this is the point, part of the point that I was making earlier about like, you can't just give people freedom. Right. Like, cultures are different. And what is acceptable behavior is different from culture to culture. Here we are like, I know this is, this is, you know, maybe it's. You can call it chauvinism or whatever, but I. In my opinion, America is the best country in the world. And part of the reason is because we can rely on other Americans to not do things like accept bribes and allow people to.

Libby Emmons (112:09)

Yeah, I think we have to.

Ian Crossland (112:11)

Again, you can't give people freedom, but you can give them the keys, which it's. Is English right now in modern culture.

Phil (112:17)

You mean like the language of English?

Ian Crossland (112:19)

Yeah, if you learn the language of. You have the keys to freedom, basically in the modern day.

Phil (112:22)

Okay. Clank, clank. I'm a tank. Says, will you guys talk about the UK and Operation Raise the Colors? Cities that can't pay to collect garbage suddenly have money to cover up patriotic acts. We have, man.

Libby Emmons (112:33)

We were talking about, talking about it.

Phil (112:34)

Earlier, painting the English flag in. In potholes, so that way the magistrate will come and cover them up. What. What a ridiculous, ridiculous thing, the idea that you have to wear a mask to fly the flag of your own country. And I didn't see it yesterday, but I saw something today where there was a protest. People, people that were immigrants to England were protesting and. And they had a big problem with the fact that people were flying the English flag. And the reason is because they're like, oh, this offends me. It's like, then get the F out, man. Like, this is our country.

Libby Emmons (113:04)

Absolutely crazy. And the promotion.

Phil (113:07)

Perfect. Yeah, bring it up.

Guest/Additional Commentator (113:08)

I just want to show this as well. I've been. I've been seeing it happen a lot. A lot of people are posting about. It's happening in Ireland. It's been happening even in Germany. People in Scotland are flying the St. Andrews flag. If it's happening across in the continent, in the continent within Germany and stuff like that, it's spreading. And if this is an incident I saw, I found as well, which apparently happened in York last night, it says that Muslim gang viciously attacked locals over raising the flags, being St. George's flag. And then also, of course, the Union Jack police swarmed the area off Conversation Post with the incident because that's, you know, what they would do. Yeah, it's. I mean, everyone's seen all this about Tommy Robinson and how he said that he wants to. I think it was like other Special Forces guy posted something about September 13th and then Tommy Robinson. Obviously, the UK government doesn't like that guy. We're talking about it, so we're definitely talking about it. It's big news.

Phil (113:53)

Yeah.

Guest/Additional Commentator (113:54)

You know.

William Wolf (113:54)

Yeah. I want to. I've seen a lot of commentary about the state of England. Right. And whether they're gone. And I know that they're not. I have to believe that they're not. So if you're watching this, this. To our English brothers and fathers, on the 4th of July, it's all about America. But for the rest of the year, we are rooting for you to wake up and take your country back.

Ian Crossland (114:15)

I mean, our language is English. Talk about a bond with England. We are one people with different governments at the moment.

Phil (114:21)

I mean, the United States, in my opinion, the United States is the fruition of the promise that was begun with the Magna Carta.

Libby Emmons (114:27)

Well, you know, James Joyce, who was an Irish novelist, he said the English gave us our Lang, gave us their language, and we taught them how to use it. And I feel like the English gave us the concept of freedom and we taught them what it means.

Phil (114:40)

Yeah, true. So. So yes, clank, clank. We do talk about it. We. We totally agree. Like this is this, is this. This cannot stand. England needs to be English and the English people need to stand up and. And assert their. The rights.

Guest/Additional Commentator (114:54)

The Europeans.

Phil (114:55)

Yeah, the Europeans.

Ian Crossland (114:56)

If they. The king's floundering and not doing it.

Phil (114:58)

You.

Ian Crossland (114:58)

That's why self determinants is so important and self governance because you can't rely on the old guy every day, you know?

Guest/Additional Commentator (115:04)

Yeah.

Phil (115:05)

Wyatt Claydenberg says, do a culture war with ex and current congressmen who want to reopen 911. Can you help people get. Can you. Can you. Can I. I can help you get people. Yeah. Cook. Alex Jones. Muddy the water so much, people won't touch it. But the San Diego story needs told.

Libby Emmons (115:24)

I mean, San Diego story.

Phil (115:25)

I don't know. I don't know. And I mean, I know Ian would like to be in on that. That conversation.

Ian Crossland (115:32)

What's it about? What's the topic?

Phil (115:33)

911.

Ian Crossland (115:34)

Yeah. I interviewed Richard Gage. He's been architects and engineers for 911.

Phil (115:37)

Luke. Alex Jones. Muddy the waters. Hey, buddy.

Ian Crossland (115:40)

He started an organization that was just really, really, really effective at pushing out, you know, information about 911 that wasn't presented in the NIST. The original government explanation, let's say. But that's a whole other conversation. Yeah, bring me on for that one.

Guest/Additional Commentator (115:54)

Okay.

Ian Crossland (115:54)

In fact, if we could get Richard Gage for that, that'd be fascinating.

Phil (115:57)

Shane H. Wilder said senator Carol Alvarado will filibuster the redistricting bill hearing tonight. Texas rules state she can have no food or drink and must remain standing. But she's used a catheter before and went 15 hours. Gross.

Libby Emmons (116:12)

That is gross. Gross also sounds painful.

Phil (116:14)

Yeah, gross. And thank you for that information. Shane Gross, sailor Motoko says at home recovering from a second hospital stay with diverticulitis. Boy, that is an awful situation. I've got that. I've got diverticulosis. I had diverticulitis once. Man, that put me down for a while.

Ian Crossland (116:35)

What do you do?

Phil (116:36)

He says, thank God this time it wasn't complicated. As soon as I'm back to 100, I'll be getting the effect infected part of. Whoa. Part of my colon cut out. Best of luck, man. Best of luck.

Ian Crossland (116:44)

What do you do to get it under control? Is it just like, inflammation of the colon?

Phil (116:47)

I took. They gave me antibiotics and. And I.

Ian Crossland (116:50)

It's like an infection that causes inflammation.

Phil (116:52)

Well, itis inflammation, so. But yeah, I mean, I was down for a week. Like, I was. I was rough. And when I, like I came back, I came back to work a little too early too, because I was a little loopy on, like, when I came back, I was like, man, maybe I shouldn't.

Libby Emmons (117:04)

Addicts make you loopy.

Phil (117:06)

Yeah. I was like, maybe I shouldn't be talking about politics tonight, you know? So I didn't say anything too crazy, but I felt it. I was like, you know, let's see. Omega Rasu says Ian doesn't understand. Satanic is a bastardization of the Hebrew word Hashatan, which means the opposition, which presumes anything that opposes spirituality, religion, Yahuwah. Christians conflate.

Guest/Additional Commentator (117:29)

Yahweh.

Phil (117:30)

Yahweh.

Ian Crossland (117:31)

It's an interesting way to look at it. It makes for a very exclusive, elusive way to worship, though.

William Wolf (117:37)

Well, that's sort of the key tenet of Christianity, isn't it?

Phil (117:42)

Accepting, though, of other no ways.

William Wolf (117:44)

No, I mean, I mean, Jesus said I am the way.

Phil (117:47)

He was a Jew.

William Wolf (117:48)

The truth.

Phil (117:49)

Sure. So Jew. A Jew was the way you can. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (117:54)

Why wouldn't we be Jewish?

Phil (117:55)

There are. There are.

Guest/Additional Commentator (117:56)

Because he came down and created the New Testament. That was the new. The new agreement.

Libby Emmons (118:00)

It was a new covenant.

Ian Crossland (118:02)

He was Jewish. He would have told you, you to be Jewish.

Phil (118:03)

Hey, there are, there are. There are. There are messianic Jews as well. There are Jewish people, Jews that believe that Christ was the. The Savior.

William Wolf (118:11)

That's true.

Phil (118:12)

That they. They still retain their Jewishness. They still do things that the Old Testament says, like. And they'll st. They'll still act like.

Libby Emmons (118:18)

Like everyone should have Seder before Easter. You know, we should all have that on Holy Thursday.

Phil (118:24)

Okay.

William Wolf (118:24)

And you should read Passover, the book of Galatians. It's just a few short chapters. Paul takes this. This question head on. Just read the book of Galatians in your New Testament.

Ian Crossland (118:35)

Okay.

Phil (118:36)

Yeah, good idea. By the way, though, you should read it out loud. You should read it out loud on. On stream and post it to your X page relations.

Ian Crossland (118:43)

That's a good idea. Okay.

Phil (118:45)

Jay Stewart says CAG had a holdover for Guatemala, not El Salvador. His lawyers are lying to the public and need to be brought before the bar time. These liars defend their license instead of being allowed to walk away Scot Free. Okay. True.

Guest/Additional Commentator (118:58)

Kilmar Garcia.

Phil (118:59)

Yeah, Kilmar. Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

Guest/Additional Commentator (119:02)

In case anyone missed the. That line there.

Phil (119:05)

Let's see. Bright results. Media says is a member for 30 months. And he says, good to see you, Libby. Hope you come. Hope you cover some of these days. Tim is missing. Best wishes, everybody.

Libby Emmons (119:16)

I have also been sick.

Ian Crossland (119:17)

Yeah, I was too.

Libby Emmons (119:19)

Over a month. It's been brutal.

Guest/Additional Commentator (119:21)

Everyone's been sick.

Ian Crossland (119:21)

Yeah.

William Wolf (119:22)

Crazy.

Ian Crossland (119:22)

It dried me out.

Libby Emmons (119:23)

But thank you. Thanks for the. Thanks for the shout out.

Phil (119:26)

Libby's wonderful. So let's see.

Guest/Additional Commentator (119:28)

Thanks for being a member for 30 months.

Phil (119:30)

Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it.

William Wolf (119:31)

So oddly specific time Mark, but it's good for him.

Phil (119:34)

That's what it said.

Guest/Additional Commentator (119:35)

Yeah.

Phil (119:36)

Unite, Unite. Glue. Said the guys from China fact chasers in the China show might be great guests for any of the shows you guys do. They lived in China for years and cover nothing but news coming out of China every day. They are really. That's a really good YouTube channel. The China show is. You guys should follow them on YouTube. They're good stuff.

Guest/Additional Commentator (119:53)

I follow a lot of that stuff. I went to high school in Singapore, so I'm very, very aware of China and its impact in the world. And yeah, I like their stuff.

Ian Crossland (120:00)

What do you think?

Guest/Additional Commentator (120:01)

I'll try and have on the show.

Ian Crossland (120:01)

What do you think about the Mandate of Heaven?

Guest/Additional Commentator (120:03)

The Mandate of Heaven is a concept where the Chinese people kind of decide who is going to be their leader based upon like just the average happenings within China. It's an idea of like, if you lose the mandate, if you do person that like tarnishes your honor, the honor of China as a whole, then you will no longer be the person who rules China. It's happened a couple of times across numerous, like, dynasties within China. If basically, if the CCP is just viewed as. If you think about the ccp, they're just another dynasty. If the dynasty loses like the Mandate of Heaven, then they're no longer fit to rule China and the Chinese people then overflow them. It's happened many times.

Ian Crossland (120:35)

Trump said he wants to go to heaven and I was like, I think the road to heaven runs through China. Interesting.

Libby Emmons (120:39)

Well, he was. I thought that was really interesting because he was saying, I haven't always been the best guy and maybe if I can stop all this killing, that would help me out.

William Wolf (120:48)

Yeah, it was. So we have a second to talk about that real quickly because.

Phil (120:53)

Have a second.

William Wolf (120:53)

Trump obviously got lambasted years ago when he said, I've never asked for forgiveness. Right. And Again, I'm theological conservative Christian. I don't believe in workspace salvation. Right. Like, I believe that it's the free gift of grace in Jesus Christ for all have sinned and falling short of the glory of God. God. But to hear that from Trump, to me, it's like saying, I'm low on the totem pole. It sounded humble. You know, it's like he's like, inarticulating. Inarticulate. Inarticulate in his expression of sort of a change in his spiritual posture and like, yeah, like, that's not how you get into heaven. But, you know, the fact that you want to go to heaven and you realize that you have shortcomings is sort of the first step in realizing. Realizing you need a savior.

Phil (121:37)

Getting shot in the ear will change you.

Ian Crossland (121:39)

Yeah, I wonder who told him that he was low on the totem pole. That was a weird. Tell me I'm not.

Libby Emmons (121:44)

He probably. I think he probably just perceived that himself.

Phil (121:47)

All right, so let's read the point right here. Yeah, we got one more from Gabe Hernandez. Hey, all. Keep my friend Talarna in your prayers. She's in the ICU with a rave. Rare form of E. Coli. She's a wildland fighter in Montana and spent her birthday in the hospital. GoFundMe is a Talara Gregoric's ICU recovery. That's Aid Talara. T E L A R A Gregoric. G R E G O R I C H S or C H apostrophe Ash ICU Recovery. If you got some spare change and you want to help a firefighter out, go ahead and go to that. That. That GoFundMe. But right now, I want you to smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Head on over to Rumble. Become a member there. Head to timcast.com and join our discord. William Wolf, do you have anything you want to shout out?

William Wolf (122:34)

Yeah. Thanks for having me on again today, folks. Make sure to follow us at BaptistLeaders. That's my organization's Twitter handle. Subscribe to our podcast on YouTube. Center for Baptist Leadership. We are working to revitalize the nation's largest Protestant denomination, the last conservative theological bulwark here in the United States of America, to hopefully make America Christian again. So check us out at the center for Baptist Leadership.

Ian Crossland (123:01)

Oh, I want to. To debate great works getting you into heaven, as well as great thoughts having come back.

William Wolf (123:06)

Let's do it.

Ian Crossland (123:07)

Let's. Man, that'd be great. Good to see you, William.

Phil (123:09)

There's no debate. Jesus was Pretty clear.

Ian Crossland (123:11)

Yeah, but if you don't do the work, then you can't create a system for people like Jesus to appear.

Phil (123:15)

What?

William Wolf (123:15)

Okay, so now, Ian, on top of Galatians, you need to go read the book of James.

Ian Crossland (123:19)

Okay.

Phil (123:20)

Okay.

Ian Crossland (123:20)

Thanks for everybody for coming. I'm Ian Crossland. You can follow me at Ian Crossland on the Internet, YouTube, Twitter, everywhere. Just follow me at Ian Crossland. Happy to be here. Take away Lib.

Libby Emmons (123:28)

I'm Libby Emmons. You can find me on Twitter. Ibie Emmons. You can check out what we're doing at thepostmillennial.com and human events.com and I would love it if you subscribe to my newsletter, which is the postmillennial.com libby. You can put your email in there. And you should also check out our sponsor, which is Newsquiz IO And I am.

Ian Crossland (123:49)

I'm going to be doing the Discord pre show on Monday.

Phil (123:51)

Okay.

Ian Crossland (123:52)

At 6pm it's with slick Sith. So come join us on Discord in the Tim cast Discord. I'll see you there at 6pm on Monday.

Phil (123:58)

I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check the band out on, on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Deezer and YouTube. Don't forget the left lane is for crime. We will see clips all weekend long and we will be back here on Monday. I believe Tim will be back. If not, it will be Tate in the morning and I will be here doing IRL on Monday evening. But I think that Tim will be back, back, back in, in in the studio. So we will see you.