Trump Floats Using MILITARY FORCE To Take Greenland & Panama Canal w/Cliff Maloney

Summary

Timcast IRL Episode Summary: "Trump Floats Using MILITARY Force to Take Greenland & Panama Canal" (January 8, 2025)

In this gripping episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool engages in a fervent discussion with guest Cliff Maloney, CEO of Citizens Alliance, along with other panelists Raymond G. Stanley Jr. and Phil Labonte. The conversation delves deep into former President Donald Trump's provocative statements about using military and economic force to reclaim territories like Greenland and the Panama Canal. The episode also explores related topics such as US foreign policy, tech censorship, political division, and environmental mismanagement in California.

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1. Trump's Territorial Ambitions

Cliff Maloney kicks off the discussion by analyzing Trump's recent press conference where the former president announced plans to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America. Maloney highlights Trump's insinuation of unilateral action, stating:

"Sometimes you have to do things, you know."
— Donald Trump (00:26)

This bold move signifies Trump's broader ambition to expand American territory, challenging existing international agreements and norms.

2. Potential Annexation of Canada

The panelists debate the feasibility and implications of the US potentially annexing Canada. Phil Labonte expresses skepticism about Canada becoming the 51st state, emphasizing cultural and logistical challenges:

"We don't know how to handle colonies anymore."
— Ian Crossland (07:10)

Cliff Maloney adds concern over political repercussions, predicting:

"If Canada comes in as a 51st state, we're going to have some problems."
— Cliff Maloney (06:56)

The discussion underscores the complexities of altering national boundaries and the potential resistance from both Canadian citizens and the international community.

3. Economic Coercion vs. Military Force

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around Trump's willingness to use economic pressure over military intervention. Phil Labonte argues that economic negotiations are more pragmatic:

"The US trade with the US keeps Canada in business. If the deal isn't good, then you can go somewhere else. Good luck, Canada."
— Ian Crossland (11:00)

Cliff Maloney concurs, emphasizing the effectiveness of economic measures:

"We don't need them to interfere in our politics. Trump's going to get in, and he can."
— Cliff Maloney (10:59)

This strategy highlights a preference for leveraging economic dominance to achieve geopolitical goals without direct confrontation.

4. Meta’s Content Policy Changes

The panel shifts focus to Meta's (formerly Facebook) recent announcement to eliminate fact-checkers, a move criticized as a capitulation to free speech demands. Tim Pool underscores Zuckerberg's inconsistent stance:

"Mark Zuckerberg bent the knee until it was all safe and all clear."
— Ian Crossland (36:16)

Phil Labonte labels Zuckerberg a "fair weather friend," highlighting his fluctuating policies based on political pressures:

"Mark Zuckerberg is a fair weather friend."
— Phil Labonte (36:12)

The removal of fact-checkers is seen as a setback for combating misinformation, with potential increases in harmful content proliferating on the platform.

5. Wildfires and Homelessness in California

The discussion turns to the devastating wildfires sweeping through Los Angeles and the Palisades, with Ian Crossland linking them to ineffective state management and an increase in homelessness:

"California is a perfect example of liberal mismanagement and failure of a state."
— Ian Crossland (65:09)

A viral video depicting a homeless individual starting a brush fire serves as a catalyst for broader conversations about societal detachment and inadequate support systems for the mentally ill and addicted populations.

6. Immigration Policies and National Sovereignty

Debates on immigration policies highlight the tension between maintaining secure borders and capitalizing on economic benefits through selective immigration. Ian Crossland advocates for a balanced approach:

"We have the right as a nation to decide on our terms."
— Ian Crossland (32:07)

The panel discusses the potential influx of refugees due to international conflicts and the challenges it poses to border security, emphasizing the need for stringent immigration controls to preserve national integrity and economic stability.

7. GOP’s Negotiation Challenges

Cliff Maloney expresses concerns about the Republican Party's ability to pass significant legislation amid internal divisions and the looming threat of Democratic resurgence:

"We just don't have the votes to shove stuff through. I wish we did, and I would love it."
— Ian Crossland (25:07)

Phil Labonte suggests utilizing omnibus bills to advance the Trump agenda, despite the inclusion of partisan measures:

"Omnibus bills are more likely to pass, even with some contested elements."
— Phil Labonte (35:42)

The urgency to act within Trump's influence period before potential political shifts underscores the strategic challenges faced by the GOP.

8. Conclusion and Call to Action

The episode culminates with a strong call to support the show's membership to sustain independent reporting and political advocacy. Tim Pool urges listeners to become members, emphasizing the importance of community support in driving meaningful political change.

"Be a member to support our work directly. Because as a member, you make all of this possible."
— Tim Pool (21:38)

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Donald Trump: "Sometimes you have to do things, you know."
  (00:26)

• Cliff Maloney: "If Canada comes in as a 51st state, we're going to have some problems."
  (06:56)

• Ian Crossland: "California is a perfect example of liberal mismanagement and failure of a state."
  (65:09)

• Phil Labonte: "Mark Zuckerberg is a fair weather friend."
  (36:12)

• Ian Crossland: "We have the right as a nation to decide on our terms."
  (32:07)

• Tim Pool: "Be a member to support our work directly. Because as a member, you make all of this possible."
  (21:38)

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This episode of Timcast IRL provides a comprehensive analysis of Trump's aggressive geopolitical strategies, critiques of tech censorship, and concerns over environmental and social policies in California. The panelists advocate for robust national sovereignty, economic leverage, and stringent immigration controls as essential measures to safeguard American interests and values.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Hey there, Ryan Reynolds here. It's a new year and you know what that means.

[Ian Crossland]

No, not the diet resolutions. A way for us all to try and do a little bit better than we did last year. And my resolution, unlike big wireless, is to not be a raging and raise the price of wireless on you every chance I get. Give it a [e-mail] Switch $45 upfront payment required equivalent to $15 per month. New customers on first 3 month plan only.

[Cliff Maloney]

Taxes and fees.

[Ian Crossland]

Extra speed slower above 40 GB on unlimited. See mintmobile.com for details. In what I could only describe as an epic press conference, Donald Trump said that we're going to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America because you can just do things. And why not? Let's call it that. I could be wrong, but don't we have more coastline around the Gulf than Mexico does anyway? So let's roll Trump. And then he was asked would he rule out using military or economic coercion and force to secure the Panama Canal or Greenland. And Trump said no. Sometimes you have to do things, you know. And so of course, everybody wants to imagine, just like US Troops storming the beaches of Nook, it's not going to happen. Trump was likely referring to using economic negotiations against Panama because there's a deep concern that Chinese companies are largely in control of the Panama Canal. So it makes no sense that the US has given up this access, considering we built it. But we'll talk about that. Plus another. A bunch of other crazy stories. This morning. Meta announced their ending. Censorship, my friends. Mark Zuckerberg is a fair weather friend. Okay? When Biden says censor, he does. When Trump says, we don't want this, Zuckerberg comes by. Oh, no. Okay, we're going to stop this. But putting Dana White on the board was a good move. So we'll talk about that. Plus wildfires sweeping through the LA area and the Palisades. Horrifying story. But you know what's crazy about this? A viral video from earlier in the day of a homeless person in California in the LA area starting fires, creating starting wildfires. I'm not saying this homeless person in this video did it, but there's a very serious problem when you have people detached from society starting wildfires. So we'll talk about all that stuff before we get started, my friends. Head over to cast brew.com to pick up cast Brew coffee. It's the best dang coffee we got. Two weeks till Christmas. Of course, it is now two weeks from Christmas, but still you can get a bag of this gingerbread coffee and with it comes a picture of Phil Labonte dressed like Santa Claus. Get it? There you go. And then of course we've got. Dude, Ian's Graphine Dream is back in stock and we've, we've already sold a, a ton. I think he sold a hundred bags so far. I don't know what it is about Ian's Graphine Dream, but people want to enjoy that dream with him. He sold 5,350 bags of this stuff in like a month. And then we launched this with only 2100 restock and he's sold like a little bit more than that. I think he sold around 100 bags so far. People love that guy, whatever it is. He's got good coffee and we got Appalachian nights too. Also, my friends, if you click the link in the description below or go to boonieshq.com I have a major announcement. The new Tim Pool pro model skateboard called the 28th amendment. I recommend you purchase this one for it has an image of a chicken that reads the 28th Amendment. Chickens being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep, bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed. And if you'd like to own this skateboard, go to boonies hq.com or click the link in the description below and of course go to timcast.com click join us, sign up, Become a member to support our work directly. Because as a member you make all of this possible. And we talk about the things that, that are very difficult to talk about. Not so family friendly on our uncensored members only show. So tonight and every night, y'all who are listening on the audio podcast or if you're listening live right now, you can go to timcast.com sign up, be a member, support the show and the work we're doing and you will get access to our Discord server, which is a chat room where you can hang out with like minded individuals. There's pre shows, there's after shows, tons of extra content. It is a massive community and I'll tell you why. Look, we're setting up these coffee franchises. We want physical locations. But in the meantime, the founding fathers organized a revolution meeting in bars and pubs. And we've got a Discord server so you can connect with like minded individuals. Because it is this organization that helps win elections and shapes the future of culture in this country. And we're, we're winning. I look forward to all of your contributions. I want you all to remember this when they do rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America. And every map maker in the country starts basking in dollar bills and making it rain on each other as they reissue new maps. You played a role in it, so be proud. Smash that like button. Subscribe to this Channel. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Cliff Maloney.

[Cliff Maloney]

Great to be with Tim Cass Nation as always. Cliff Maloney here, CEO at Citizens Alliance. We're on a victory tour right now. Just got done winning Pennsylvania with our Pennsylvania Chase program and excited to continue to fight for liberty, but excited to be here with Tim.

[Ian Crossland]

Right on. Thanks for hanging out. Raymond's here.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, what's up everyone? Raymond G. Stanley Jr. American Marine veteran, base mine with the look of laughter. And I'm looking forward to talking about some manifest destiny.

[Ian Crossland]

Go America. Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the leader, lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary. Let's go.

[Ian Crossland]

Here we go. From the New York Times. Trump floats using force to take Greenland and the Panama Canal. I would love to see a movie of just like US Troops storming the beaches of Greenland and the people of Greenland welcoming them as liberators of the evil Danish empire. But in all seriousness, the New York Times says President elect Donald J. Trump refused on Tuesday to rule out the use of military or economic coercion to force Panama to give up control of the canal that America built more than a century ago and to push Denmark to sell Greenland to the United States. Here's look, I say. In a rambling hour long news conference, Mr. Trump repeatedly returned to the theme of, of American sacrifice in building the canal and accused China falsely of operating it. Today, when pressed on the question of whether he might order the military to force Panama to give it up in violation of treaties and other agreements reach reached during the Carter administration. We're all, we all think fondly of the Carter administration ordered the same with Greenland. He said no, I can't assure you on either of those two. We need them for economic security. The Panama Canal was built for our military. I'm not, I'm not going to commit to that. You might have to do something. Mr. Trump statements propelled his repeated calls for expanding American territory to, to a new level, one that is bound to royal three American allies. Panama, Denmark, which handles Greenland's foreign and security affairs, and Canada, which she has mocked as America's 51st state I got. I got an honest question, Cliff. Why are they pretending to be mad about this?

[Cliff Maloney]

You know, I think I'm more mad about it. I mean, if. If Canada comes In as a 51st state, I mean, I think we're going to have some problems. I think it's Senate and the House.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's Democrat electoral votes.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, that would be. No, no, but if we.

[Ian Crossland]

If we subjugate them as a territory with no. Our colony. You know, we don't know how to. Colonies anymore. You know, they can. They can have autonomy under Trump. Right. But then Trump can intervene as the. As the new head of state and.

[Tim Pool]

As the colonizers we are. We could just go ahead and colonize them.

[Ian Crossland]

No, but in all seriousness, like, Canada's not going to become the 51st state. You know what I mean? Greenland would be negotiated over a trade deal. Panama, of course, was. Was built by the United States and would be negotiated over a trade deal. This is like, it's performative outrage. Who really cares?

[Phil Labonte]

I could honestly envision a situation where Panama was a flashpoint for a larger conflict, so possibly a conflict between the United States, the United States and China, particularly seeing as that's the reason that there's any kind of friction going, you know, friction between the US And Panama as it is. The US did build it. The US Invested a lot of money. A lot of Americans died. Malaria was a big problem back then.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

But do you guys think they're becoming territories? You think these would actually become states?

[Phil Labonte]

So, okay, so as far as that kind of stuff, I don't want to see. Definitely don't want to see Canada as a state. Right. I don't know if we should. I don't think that I want to see Greenland become a state either. Territories, maybe, but I mean, there's. If I understand correctly, there's only like 50,000 people in Greenland. And so I don't know that they have enough people to actually become a state that might. I think that the. The actual number of people that live there has an effect on whether or not it can be a state. This is just my. My understanding.

[Ian Crossland]

I think we should invade Canada, remove their government, and then relinquish control. So I think it was. Who was it? Was it Polk? The US Basically won Mexico in a war, and then Polk was like, mexico, you can have it back. We don't want it. And a lot of Americans were pissed about it. They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We won this in conquest, and you gave up all this land. So I'm Looking at it this way, we can look at the Canadian government and see it's in total disarray. And I'm, I'm half kidding. Calm down, liberals and corporate press. But if the US Putting pressure on Canada like Trump did with Trudeau, to remove Trudeau from power is exactly what I'm talking about, that's a good thing. People need to understand this. Trudeau resigned because the Trump. Trump tariff threats destroyed their government. They're panicking because they rely so heavily on us and us not on them.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So that's the kind of economic coercion we're talking about, which I think is a good thing.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, like, I was talking about it last night, like, Canada exists because the United States allows them to exist. Their, their entire defense is because of the United States. Now, they do have a military, Fair enough. But, like, the U.S. is NATO. Right. And the U.S. it does, like, I think 75% of the, of the heavy lifting for NATO. The U.S. trade with the U.S. is what keeps Canada in business. The. If the United States wants Canada to do something, Canada is going to do it eventually. Like, the US Will figure out ways to apply soft power, and they're going to do it. They don't have the ability to stand up to the US and say, no, we're not. We're putting our foot down. About the only thing that we're not going to be able to get away with is actually literally annexing the country.

[Ian Crossland]

Right. I mean, let's be real. Donald Trump spoke on, On Truth Social about a tariff, and Trudeau was removed from office, in fact, basically. I mean, he's still there, but he's basically done. His career is over. Because Trump said some words on the Internet.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Canada is basically, basically a vassal of the U.S. as it is, so we don't need them to interfere in our politics. Trump's going to get in, and he can. If he puts a tariff on Canadian goods, they will drop to their knees and beg Trump to stop. And Trump need only say, you're going to do. We tell you to do.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't understand why Canada gets to suckle the teat of America. And we have to. We get. We give them special deals so that they can live in luxury. And then when Trump says, we're going to put a tariff on your goods because it is only by our good graces. You get free trade in the first place. They lose their minds if we're doing something wrong. No, no, no. You don't get to just trade with us. We decide on our terms, what a good deal is. And if the deal is not good, then you can go somewhere else. Good luck, Canada with your reindeer. They got oil. I appreciate that. And there's. I'm not saying Canada doesn't have trades with us. Right. They sell us oil, they get tar sands, and we negotiate. And we have the right as a nation to be like, nah, we're not interested anymore. We're going to renegotiate terms on this deal.

[Cliff Maloney]

Well, I think that Trump represents a lot of people pushing back on all these unfair deals. I mean, look at NATO, right? What'd you just say, Phil? I mean, the amount of money that we pour into NATO and somehow we have an equal vote, you know, and it's like, oh, well, you know, and it's just. That's just been that way for years. That's why I think you look at this photo of Trump Jr. And Charlie Kirk and Sergio Gore standing there. It's like, you know, look, obviously this is all going to be peaceful, I would predict, at this point. Yeah. But I think that. Yeah. Aren't we just kind of tired of getting the low? Just. We always are the ones that. It's never fair for us, and that's just accepted.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what's crazy about the Panama thing. You've got the New York Times saying Donald Trump would violate treaties set by Carter. It's like, we all hold Carter in such great reverence. Yeah, listen, we built the thing. We want to renegotiate terms. We, as the American people, we work hard. Trees were planted for the next generations to sit beneath in that shade. And what's wrong with Trump saying, I want to renegotiate terms?

[Phil Labonte]

And furthermore, to that point, the United States did build the Panama Canal. The US has been the global hegemon that has kept the seas free for global trade for definitely the past 75 years. Some would argue for even longer. The US Navy makes international trade much safer. That's why whatever you think of the U.S. overall, the. Just the fact that we have made the sea safer, international trade is. Has made the United States a net positive for the world, no matter what else. Someone wants to criticize the US for the reason that all of the countries around the world can. Can send their. Their goods around the world. And about the only place that you have to worry about is if you're off the coast of Somalia.

[Cliff Maloney]

I'm the captain now.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Because they get a little wacky. But other than that, like, the US does have the authority to say, you can't dictate terms on the Panama Canal because we built it and we keep the rest of the world safe to trade.

[Ian Crossland]

The US used to be a dad who would go to his kid and say, shut your mouth. If you want to buy the video game, go mow some lawns and make some money. And then it turned into the desperate aging cool mom who was like, I'll give you anything you want if you just pretend like you like me and you think I'm cool. This idea that the New York Times is like we should just give all of these things to every other country, it's like, yeah, ok, well that will destroy the United States. Why don't we be responsible? And I'll tell you exactly why this matters to me. I hate war. I think we shouldn't be invading other countries. That's the scumbag option. The easy option is we maintain economic control of the things we build, the things we protect. We work trade agreements that benefit us. So we maintain strength and power and then there isn't war because we have the economic control.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And that avoids death. And so that's why I've long said with Ukraine and Russia, Russia's in the wrong because they lost, lost the soft power battle, which is subterfuge, which is economics and all of these things. So they resorted to physical violence. I think if we are going to be playing any kind of game, it's we have the power economically, we will brain drain your, your countries. And I mean that in the actual sense, not the H1B garbage. We will take your breast and your, your breast, your best and brightest. We'll build the best companies. We will control the high seas. We will control what we build. You can trade with us. No more invasions, no war. We win through economics and diplomacy.

[Cliff Maloney]

You know, I love the Trump line when he says, you know, they're always trying to grill him on his foreign policy and when he says, I want to end the dying. Right, because it really is that simple. Right. There's always going to be, you know, troops in here, troops out there. But like, I mean even the New York Times article we had up where they literally are saying in an hour long rambling speech, right? Like any time, like how do you, you'd think there'd be some reset, which there isn't with them. They're just going to have to fail some.

[Phil Labonte]

There have been.

[Cliff Maloney]

Well, yes, but I just mean like it's, it's to make it that obvious still. But when it comes to foreign policy, man, the, the institutions and they Just hate the fact that that is Trump's gut instinct. He wants to stop the dying. And to me, I mean, that's just. I still think that's one of the major reasons why he got elected. Yeah, is this idea that people are tired of having. No. I mean, Biden couldn't even speak a sentence, let alone pick up the phone to call these foreign dictators. Trump represented at least some rational thought.

[Ian Crossland]

Afghanistan was the moment Joe Biden's approval rating inverted, dropped because we saw the death of us men and women in uniform. We saw the complete, utter collapse of a 20 year investment of the United States. For better or for worse. If you want to argue, we shouldn't have gone there in the first place. There was still an effort to maintain security and keep China and our enemies from, from seizing this territory. And it fell apart overnight because Joe Biden's a moron. The plans they had for Afghanistan, as Ian calls it, was a surrender. And every move they made, there's no logic within it. This flipped things in this country because many people in this country don't like war. So when you see tensions escalating, the expansion of isis, et cetera, you know what's funny is that in Trump's term, he crushes isis. No new wars. Ukraine actually was cooling down when in 2014, when I went there and the beginning of the separatist movement, it was bubbling up. I wasn't there when it broke off into full on conflict, but they were calling it a civil war erupting.

[Cliff Maloney]

You went to Ukraine or Russia?

[Ian Crossland]

Ukraine, yeah. I was in Ukraine three times. So I went there in 2014 at the start of the Eurmaidan protest, which ultimately led to the ousting of Yanukovych, which ultimately led to the separatist movement, and then what people were referring to as a civil war. I came back after Trump was president, and you know what my friend in Ukraine told me? No, no, we don't call it a civil war anymore. There's some fighting now, but it's really calming down. And I'm like, okay, wow, that's pretty crazy. I was like, really? I thought it was gonna be like a civil war or something. And then Biden gets in and what do you get? Once again, I think, yeah, exactly. It's insanity. The Biden administration, Obama, Kamala, Hillary, all of their ilk, have no idea how to manage this system. And Trump's been right the whole time. I think people saw all of that. And they also recognize that Trump's joking. Half the time. He's being silly or, you know, when it comes to, like, the use of military economic force. We're not gonna see the military invading Panama, but the media still pretends like it's 2019 or it's 2022. Yeah, no, it's changed. People saw through this, and it's time we got some sound foreign policy.

[Cliff Maloney]

Well, and Republicans now are backing off. We've talked about Defend the Guard, the bill that bring our troops home runs, and now Republicans. This will be a big test. Do they keep pushing forward? You know, because we do. I mean, all these Guardsmen are overseas. That's one of the best bills at the state level. And so that's going to be an interesting test to see, because it's easy when Biden's in the White House.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Cliff Maloney]

But if you got a Republican president and you want to limit the Guardsmen that they can use, this is the time to do it. I think Trump would support it publicly, even though he's the guy. But that'll be a big test in 25 to see if those bills go forward.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump posted this on Truth Social. It's a picture of the US And Canada, but it just reads the United States. And these are the memes that have been popping up all over the place. Where there's one funny one where it's like, Mexico is South America, then we're America, and then Canada is North America, and then Greenland is like, American territory. Phil mentioned he saw a funny one that was.

[Phil Labonte]

It just said where Mexico was just at the other side of the wall.

[Ian Crossland]

Agreed. The other side of the wall. We don't. We don't talk about what's beyond wall. We got a response from. Where's that. Where's that silly post? Here we go. This is the Liberal Party of Canada. And then. And then everyone's favorite Harry Sisson reposted.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, gosh.

[Cliff Maloney]

We got to get that quote shirt somewhere.

[Phil Labonte]

These people just can't, like, have a little fun. They're so, so busy hating Donald Trump and hating the right. Like, they. They can't just acknowledge that these are all jokes and it's just fun. It's just a little bit of friendly ribbing to our neighbor to the north. But people like Harry Sisson just are just hall monitors and miserable, awful people.

[Ian Crossland]

The Liberal Party of Canada said, for anyone who may be confused, and then Canada is not the United States, and then the U.S. is the U.S. i don't think they understand what conquest means.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, you will get a say.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, we. Exactly. We are well aware that you think you're sovereign Canada and we are coming. And the funny thing is we will be greeted as liberators.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, there's at least a couple, probably truckers will love us.

[Tim Pool]

Farmers.

[Ian Crossland]

Truckers will be honking and cheering as Americans come in and they're like, you now have a bill of rights. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I think the people that will have the most problem with it is the French in Quebec because they, they don't even like Canada, never mind the United States being in charge.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, no, what we do is when the US conquers Canada by literally declaring it and walking in like, well, let's be real. What would happen? And I'm half kidding. I'm only half kidding. But what we do is we remove the Canadian government, reform it as an American constitutional style liberal democracy, they call it. I don't mean liberal, but it's called liberal democracy.

[Phil Labonte]

Gotcha.

[Ian Crossland]

And then we. Quebec becomes its own nation with its own American style constitutional democracy. And then we leave.

[Cliff Maloney]

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[Ian Crossland]

Goodbye.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they would probably be way better off than they are now.

[Cliff Maloney]

What do you. What do you think Pierre plays into this?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, you saw what he tweeted, right? He said, Canada will never be a part of America. You know, I stand by blah, blah, blah. Let me pull up. He's great.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I understand the national pride. That's fair in his aspect. He's saying the same thing.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the right answer if you're looking to be the Prime Minister.

[Ian Crossland]

Here's what he responded with. He said, Canada will never be the 51st state period where a great and independent country. We are the best friend of the us. We spent billions, billions of dollars and hundreds of lives helping Americans retaliate against Al Qaeda's 911 attacks. We supply the US with billions of dollars of high quality and totally reliable energy well below market price. We buy hundreds of billions of dollars of American goods. Our weak and pathetic NDP Liberal government has failed to make these obvious points. I will fight for Canada when I am Prime Minister. We will rebuild our military and take back control of the border to secure both Canada and the U.S. we will take back control of our Arctic to keep Russia and China out. We Will axe taxes, slash red tape and rapidly greenlight massive resource projects to bring bring home paychecks and production to our country. In other words, we will put Canada first. He did spell paychecks wrong. I just want to point that out for everybody.

[Tim Pool]

For the French.

[Phil Labonte]

The Frenchie.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep, yep. Gunther Eagleman says, hey, Pierre, cooperation is appreciated, not required. Didn't you push for tyrannical Covid mandates? Don't think we didn't watch as you toed the line to we will make you a territory and you won't be able to do anything about it. Adrienne Curry says you are the size of California and populace and exist because America permits it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Unless you'd rather be Chin as well.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes. I'm sure she's in the chat now.

[Ian Crossland]

I like, I like.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, we do think he's a real deal. I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

I just, I've seen a couple of videos that are, that are good. I, I'm not, I'm not big in Canadian politics because they're less consequential than New Jersey.

[Cliff Maloney]

I just. Yeah, agreed. I just have seen some comparisons to like Javier Malay and I'm like, yeah, let's pull it back here.

[Phil Labonte]

Easy, tiger.

[Cliff Maloney]

These are big shoes to fill, Siri.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, like, like Pierre's not going to go in and cut whatever seven or eight different government agencies. Like that's not happening.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, things that I would sacrifice or give up if we had melee in our government. Just like even if only for a week for him to come in and affair a whole bunch of these, these, these bureaucracies. But to be fair, I'm hoping Doge fulfills this role.

[Phil Labonte]

Fingers crossed.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, that's, that's my biggest fear is it doesn't happen. You know, and look, my whole, my whole pitch is this. The battle is going to be simply Doge versus the Swamp. And everybody out there thinks they know which of these politicians are on which side. You will be surprised when some of these battles come out. There are going to be people that have been saying they were Doge for an entire year and not, not the ones that you're thinking. I'm not talking to Lindsey Graham's. You'll have some of these Republican congressmen who always talk a big game, but Elon and Vivek have to make it very clear where is the battle which bills. Because the Swamp is going to do everything they can to just distort. I mean, this first battle with the cr. If you don't think the Swamp's not coming back with the same stuff. Thank God for.

[Ian Crossland]

Doesn't Trump want an omnibus now?

[Cliff Maloney]

Yes, yes, but I think he wants it. Look, everybody loves an omnibus if it has all your goodies.

[Ian Crossland]

That's right.

[Cliff Maloney]

Right. So, yeah, he's pushing for that. He's also said maybe multiple bills, but I don't. I just want Doge. If, look, if they're going to do real things, let's say they're going to actually cut departments. Let's say they're going to say we're going to cut spending. Even 1% would be a record. If it's actual cuts, it would be.

[Phil Labonte]

The most libertarian thing that has happened to the federal government in at least the past 40 years, probably ever.

[Cliff Maloney]

And let's say they say, hey, we're going to cut 10% of the staff of the Lord. Right?

[Phil Labonte]

That's. That is earth shaking.

[Cliff Maloney]

Getting that in a clear, simple, not to say simple package, but having it where it's like, hey, this is the battle. If you have a battle every week, it's going to be tough to mobilize against the swamp. And so that's where you just need that, that musk precision on some of these. Doge.

[Ian Crossland]

I can't believe I have to clarify this, but we are not seriously suggesting the US Invade and conquer Canada like it's a joke. We're making fun of the frailty of the Canadian government. Trump simply posted on Truth Social about tariffs on Canada, and it destroyed the Liberal Party leadership. We don't have to do much to make Canada do what we want them to do. I don't want Canada to be part of the US either, to be fair.

[Phil Labonte]

Like the Liberal Party and Trudeau have done so much damage to themselves of the past, you know, however long Trudeau has been the prime minister, like, they have done so much damage that it doesn't take much to cause great damage because they, they. He's in like remark, historically unpopular, if I understand correctly.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's like a 28% or something that nuts.

[Phil Labonte]

But back to what you were saying about an omnibus bill. I, I was talking. Me and, me and Cliff were talking. I think that it's okay because if you want to get things like the, the wall built, want to get actual change to the, to the policies regarding the border, if you want to get that kind of stuff and you put it in an omnibus bill, the omnibus bills are more likely to pass. They're going to have more stuff that you don't like, but they're going to have all the stuff that you do. And if you have it broken up into multiple bills, you're going to have a harder time getting these bills passed. Again, I bring up the makeup of the Senate and the House. The Republicans have a razor thin lead. So what they're. What's going to have to happen to get anything done. It's going to have to be through working with the other side. We just don't have the votes to shove stuff through. I wish we did, and I would love to. I would love it if we did. This is not some kind of endorsement of having a bunch of pork in the bill, but if you want real change with the border and with immigration, put it in an omnibus, then let the Democrats stuff it with pork. I hate it. I know, I hate it. But the bill will pass. If you really care about fixing the border and really care about building the wall, you're going to have to work. You're going to have to deal with them.

[Ian Crossland]

You are correct. We don't have the votes. Single issue bills would take a millennia and Trump would never get anything done. So the one argument I do accept is we're going to have to accept a lot of compromise to get through what we want to get through through an omnibus. Even though we despise the omnibus cr. All that garbage strategy, I will accept. If we want to get started immediately, then the Trump agenda needs a solid, straight package. That being said, my concern and why I don't like it, it's not just going to be pork, it's going to be obstruction. It's going to be loaded with Democrat garbage obstruction to stop the Trump agenda. And there's an argument we may be better off with Trump getting single issue bills passed. Sure, on a thin margin, but if he does, if they're done fast enough, you can get them through before the squishy Republicans back down and start voting Democrat.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, but nobody's talking about putting things into these omnibus bills that are actual cuts.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Cliff Maloney]

Like, that's what I'm waiting for. We're talking about all the spending, we're talking about the priorities with, oh, more money. The swamp loves that. The swamp loves where that money.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think cuts are on the table. I think that to get funding changes, I don't think that dodge is. Doge is going to be working that way. Like, Doge is not going to be saying, oh, we're going to get legislation that makes cuts. I just don't think that we. Again, we don't have the votes. And again, I don't like any of this. I'm not happy about this at all. But if you don't have the votes, you don't have the votes. The government is, is set up the way that it's set up. And no matter how much we sit here and pontificate about how much we wish it wasn't this way or whatever, it doesn't matter if we don't have the votes, we don't have the votes. And we have 18 months from when Trump goes in to get this stuff done.

[Ian Crossland]

But this means with these omnibus bills, Johnson's going to go to some Democrat and say, what do we got to do to get you to vote yes on this bill? Okay. Or he's going to go to the switch of Republicans, of course, and they're going to say, I want these compromises. And then they're going to try and get a narrow majority or whatever. They don't need, they don't need that many Democrat votes to get through. But it does mean there's going to be some kooky stuff in there from weird districts.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

I think I put it this way. I really hate the idea of continuing the omnibus garbage, but I'm at the 50.1% mark of just get it through so that Trump can do what he needs to do. Otherwise, I'm afraid it won't happen at all.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we got to start doing it now. And if we just keep waiting and trying to fight it, if we don't get it done, then it's a waste of the next.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, but let's, let me, let me play devil's advocate a little bit. So, like, okay, let's say Vivek and Musk come to Trump and say, look, you don't have to do this for legislation. We can cut, you know, two departments.

[Phil Labonte]

Anything that he wants to do, executive order, I'm for, go cut. Then you do it as much as.

[Ian Crossland]

He wants to annex Canada through executive order.

[Cliff Maloney]

But then they, you know, they'd have to adjust it. I mean, listen, if the FBI, I'm just using numbers here. Let's say the FBI gets a hundred dollars a year. Obviously, they get much more, and we cut 10% of their agents or these IRS agents or whatever you're looking at. You have to reduce the money. If you don't, they're going to spend the hundred dollars. Yeah. But they're going to spend what they're given. And it just means it goes to less people. So to me, and by the way, 18 months, I think we got 100 days. I do not think this is something where you get two years, you have a hundred days to get things in motion and then maybe 18 months to get them done. But this has to be just, I mean, every single day they got to be firing things out 100 once. January 20th.

[Phil Labonte]

100%.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I don't see them as one issue. So let's get, let's get Doge to focus on the cuts and Trump can focus on the agenda. They can both happen. I do think, however, where it overlaps is there's going to be squishy Republicans and some Democrats. They're going to be given a deal in order to vote for the omnibus package, which is going to block some of the Doge cuts. However, with the majority, slim as it may be, Republicans don't need to compromise that much. And so there may be some cuts that need to happen that don't happen. But I do think we're in a net positive so far. As much as I don't like them going the omnibus route, I really don't know what else you'd do at this point.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, I don't go ahead.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump's got four years.

[Tim Pool]

I just wonder if you guys would be okay with the money to Ukraine and Israel if, like, we got the border closed and, you know, got some of our, the MAGA agenda done.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, man. Yep. That's, that's, that's such a difficult question because this country will not survive with the destructive immigration policies that have been happening over the past four years and even longer. And so the question is, should we exacerbate international conflict? Okay, well, here's the double edged sword. If that is the deal, and that's, you may be hitting the nail on the head with this one. What they might try to play. If we get international conflict, we're gonna end up with 20 million refugees and they're gonna be storming the southern border overnight. Not literally overnight, but they're going to say, oh no, look at all the displays from the war and the conflict. They have nowhere to go. And then we're going to be dealing with it even if we secure the border. So that is a, that is a tough spot to be in. Because if they're going to obstruct our ability to secure the border over their desire for international conflict, we're at a rock and hard place. And that's a really good point. I say specifically because there's going to be Republicans who say that there's going to be a ton of Republicans who are like, I'm in a military district. We need funding for the manufacturing, we want funding for the bases. So when you say you're spending money in Ukraine, that goes to our city where we make these weapons, where we build these supplies, where we refine the fuels, where we train the troops, they're gonna say, we want that, we want that spending.

[Cliff Maloney]

Now, that's their talking point. But here's the thing. If that's the position we're in, this is how pessimistic I am about Republicans ability to actually negotiate. If that's the situation where that's the trade off, I'm not here to advocate for it. I don't believe in any foreign aid.

[Phil Labonte]

We have to do all these caveats today. Like, we're talking about reality. We're not talking about anything we want want.

[Cliff Maloney]

But if it's that, if it's that and hitting our priority versus hitting our priority, and then them adding in some gobbly gook woke DEI or so, that to me is like, that's usually where the Republicans end up. It's not something that is like, oh, this is kind of a hot button issue. It's like, no, they push in their thing so they can go back to their base and their donors and they can act like, see, we're still winning on these progressive values.

[Phil Labonte]

I know this wasn't your point, but DEI stuff, Harmony, Dylan's going to do a really, really good job taking care of that stuff because it is illegal and she's running that part of the DOJ now. So.

[Tim Pool]

Sweet.

[Phil Labonte]

So that, that, that would be.

[Cliff Maloney]

But you get what I'm saying. Yeah, it'll be some sort of weird green new scam thing rather than, hey, let's have a real debate on something that's contentious.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but look, I mean, like, like, like we, I think we all kind of agree that like the border and immigration are the most important issues to the American people, to the average American person. Like, and it doesn't matter if you're white or black or whatever. You listen to the people in south side of Chicago and they are complaining about immigration and stuff. So it's like, are you looking to the black community there? And it's. So if you're going to give us a secure border and fund ICE to go ahead and round up the illegals that are here and actually do deportations and fund the necessary equipment to transport people back to their, their countries of origin, I think that you're going to have to deal with, I think I would be okay with pork if you're going to be deporting, actually deporting People.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I'll put it this way. I'm willing to. It depends on the pork, right? I guess it's the easiest way to put it. The compromise is fine, so long as the compromise is in areas we're okay with. If they come in and they say they want $50 million for creepy DEI stuff and they want weird books in our schools, we say no. If they come out and they say, oh, we want to fund, like, one particular local thing, and we're like, that doesn't really. That's a compromise I don't really care about.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep, fair enough.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's jump to this next story from cnn. Ladies and gentlemen. Meta is getting rid of fact checkers. Zuckerberg acknowledged more harmful content will appear on the platforms. Now, I love how CNN frames this. Censorship is over. Zuckerberg basically comes out and says, we give up. Yeah, harmful to who indeed? But I love using sin as a source because of the way they frame things. And we can rip this apart. We do have the video, however, from Zuckerberg himself, where he is. A quick clip. Here we go.

[Phil Labonte]

We're gonna get back to our roots.

[Ian Crossland]

And focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies.

[Phil Labonte]

Look at that. Restoring free expression on our platforms. More specifically, we're gonna get rid of fact checkers and replace them with community notes similar to X starting in the.

[Ian Crossland]

US well, there we go. Ladies and gentlemen, let me just tell all of you, first and foremost, you know it. Mark Zuckerberg is a fair weather friend. When Trump was the enemy and the media was screaming, Facebook just said, we will do whatever you say. When Trump wins, he comes out and says, okay, I guess free speech. I don't trust the guy at all, but I'll take the win when I can get it. So right now, as I've been talking about this for the past couple of weeks, we're a podcast. We negotiate with different ad networks. They do sales and things like this. And, you know, whenever I'm negotiating, I'm like, oh, and by the way, like, don't forget we have Facebook. Facebook is a platform where we get X amount of views and all that stuff, and we're not really monetizing there. We don't post ads. Every company we talk to says, facebook is dead. They're like, nobody's making money on Facebook anymore. I mean, it's a little bit, but it's just pointless. Mark Zuckerberg burned the biggest social media platform to the ground. The most important thing he said in that whole speech he gave was that he didn't say it directly, but he said it. The US Government targeted Facebook and forced them to do these things. But I want to. I want to make sure I stress this point, Mark. Zuckerberg is a very weak man. Okay, I'm not trying to rag on you, Mark, Okay, I'm not trying to be a dick. But let me just tell you, I respect the doing the BJJ training. I respect trying to get into shape. I respect you doing the right thing right now. But I don't trust you. Because when Elon Musk joined the fray during a major cycle where Trump and he brought a bunch of people back, not perfect, you know, what he was doing on X, but he did pull back some of the censorship. The SEC and the FTC went after his companies. They tried to destroy him. A judge suspended his pay package. We, the shareholders of Tesla then voted to reinstate it, and they still blocked his pay package. He took great and tremendous risks because he wanted this, whatever you think his reasoning was. And Zuckerberg bent the knee until it was all safe and all clear.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah. And I think, look, I think that Zuckerberg probably. Now some people say, no, it was intentional. Zuck bucks, all this stuff on the left. I think he got played. I think he got played. He went in, he thought, I'm doing the right thing. I mean, if you look at the narrative of kind of the American electorate, I think it follows Zuck. Right. The average experience of like, you know, oh, well, you know, there. These institutions can't be bad. Of course, we all need to get a jab. These are health officials telling us to do this. Right. Oh, we need to back it up. And we need to stop misinformation. We have to stop the disinformation. And then I think it got to a point where he realized, like, man, they used me. Right? They used me. And now he's got to survive politically. He's got to be able to push back and try to save his company. So I don't feel bad for him, but I would say that I don't think it's all intentional. I think he's just reacting and probably realizing that they manipulated him.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I think you're probably right about the. About the idea that he just didn't realize what was going on because it was bit by bit. You know, it was small things.

[Tim Pool]

He trusted the government.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's. And I mean, he was. He was a Democrat beforehand anyways. Like, he said that he was a libertarian, but, like, we're talked like that.

[Cliff Maloney]

But don't tarnish our Brand, listen, there.

[Phil Labonte]

Is nobody better at tarnishing the libertarian random than libertarians.

[Ian Crossland]

So, yeah, I'm gonna stand like this as I respond and say, dude, he didn't. He didn't get. He didn't get tricked. He's just like, this is the past, the path of least resistance. Also, the reason I'm standing is that my right thigh has cramped completely locking. I've been. I went, I ran. What was it? What's today? Tuesday. I ran on Sunday, Monday. And then I skated today. And now my. My right thigh is just completely locked up. I can't sit down.

[Phil Labonte]

Jogging thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I was jogging.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I hate it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep. And now went skating today and can't sit down anymore. But yeah, come on. Elon Musk bought himself into this conflict. They. They tried to block the sale in the first place, attacked him in every direction. And Zuckerberg has always just taken the path of least resistance. I'm fine with, with Zuckerberg, with Cenk Uygur and all these people. I'm not like, there's a lot of these MAGA guys who are like, no, don't welcome them. Hey, take the power where you can get it. You know what I mean? If Zuckerberg is now going to open up meta so we can start using the platform, making money, promoting content, sending a message, it's a good thing. And I will add that putting Dana White on the board means that even throughout the next administrations, it's going to be a shield against this kind of censorship.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, no, I would agree. And I think, look, I don't want to discredit Elon. You know, I, When I compare the two, I think Elon Musk, in my opinion, saved free speech in America. I mean, I think. Let's think about it. If he doesn't take over X, I mean, you know, yes, we've got some of these other platforms popping up, but it was like, like you said, Tim, the guy risked everything, put his money on the line, his freedom, his ability to own these companies, the control of them. And I think, you know, he bet not just on the right horse, but on the right idea that the people were going to be with them. And I think they are.

[Phil Labonte]

I think the, the, the long or the, the long and short of it is, is if Zuckerberg is going to end the, the fact checkers and they're gonna have something like community notes and they're going to actually try to open up to have free speech be a principle on the platform. I think it's an overall good that doesn't mean you have to like Zuckerberg. That doesn't mean you have to trust him. I'm not. Like, I post on my Instagram page a couple times a month. Maybe. Like, I don't use meta properties, I don't use Messenger. I don't have a Facebook page that I run or that I use. I closed my, my personal one down, like my public personal page down in like 2018, because they do the whole throttling, you know, they. Where you can't get your, your people that follow you don't see your posts. I would, I had, like, wasn't a big page. It was like 60,000 or whatever. But, like, I would post something and maybe like 150, 200 people would see some see it. So I'm just like, all right, well, there's no point in posting anything on here. I'm not, I'm not getting anything out to anyone. And I post on. Even back then posting on Twitter, I knew more people were seeing what I posted on Twitter than on, on, on Facebook. So I, I mean, I'm not saying that he's a, he's a, a guy to be trusted. I'm not saying that Facebook is the be all, end all. But look, if there's a person that's saying the same things, like free speech is important. These are the things that we should care about. That's good. Cenk Uygur talking about that stuff. That's good. Anybody that's going to stop being, you know, being idolat. Ideologically motivated by what the, the government and what the left has been pushing for the past, you know, 10 or so years, anyone that's moving away from that, I say we welcome them in. At the very least to say, you, you can listen to what they're saying. That's not saying, again, not saying that you have to trust them or anything.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. What did, what did anybody think was going to happen? Because I've seen, there's a lot of people I respect who are saying, do not welcome these liberals in who are now coming around and saying, oh, you know what? Oh, like, like Jen Cougar is the perfect example.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And the point being made is the liberals who came out before the election and said, I've realized we got to do this and help Trump win. Everybody's okay with that. They're like, we get it. Not everybody figured it out the same time. Some people figured it out in 2015, some people figured out in 2020. I was late to the party, of course. And the question is did you try to help Trump win or did you fight against him and now that you've lost, you're turning it around? I get it. I think it's fine to criticize these people, but what did anyone think was going to happen when we won? These people are going to beg to be on the right side of history. So I say, look, take the power where you can, but just recognize you can't trust them in the long run. Yeah. So if Jank Uygur is going to his audience and saying, maga's not that bad, say thank you, because I'll tell you what's gonna happen. He's gonna go to his audience, he's gonna say, guys, listen, we've gotta work with them. They won. We get it. 1 of 1. If one person who watches Young Turk says, it's a fair point, I want to get stuff done. And then they go and they watch this show, then they go, I didn't know that. Then they say, you know, I'm more moderate than I realized. Cenk's an okay guy. Tim's an okay guy. We're winning if that happens. So when Mark Zuckerberg says, no more fact checkers, you can now talk about immigration, gender and all this stuff, we're winning. I don't like Mark Zuckerberg. It's not personal, it's professional. I think. I think he just bends the knee and does whatever he's told because it's a cheap and easy path. But if we get this, this is big for us. I got to talk to my marketing team and social media team and be like, let's. Let's take a look. I'll tell you this, we barely use Facebook, and the reason why is every time we put out a video, they're telling me like, well, you mentioned the word trans, and that's probably going to get you demonetized for a week again. And I'm like, I'm. Upload. Whatever you can upload, I guess. And so we just basically ignore it. And not to mention TikTok, you know, and they're like, Tick Tock. Trump's. Trump's now saying, I don't know, maybe we'll keep Tick Tock around. No, Tick Tock is still miserable. It's the most censorious platform. I hear it 50 times a week from all these other people who are like, I got banned. I don't know why. And I'm like, yeah, okay, Tick Tock's terrible, right? Let's not cut them any slack. No. If they want to Change and reform, we'll accept it, but I'm not, I, I don't think we should cut, cut, you know, the censorship platforms any slack. That being said, we can now start using Facebook again and I'm hoping this means we can actually make money on the platform and it becomes a successful path towards spreading a message. Fact checking news, getting rid of the fact checkers. Let me tell you man, I put up a video in 2020 when, when the, the alternate slate submitted their, their electoral votes and it was not certified and it was titled Republican Elector Slate submits electoral votes to, you know, for safe harbor deadline or whatever, which is a fact statement. They did and this organization fact check it as false, claiming they are not the certified electors, which was not what I claimed. Facebook demonetized the channel, costing me money and basically deranking my posts. And when I messaged Facebook because there's a contact at Facebook and talk to, they said this is an independent fact checking thing, you have to take it up with them. When I emailed the fact checkers, they ignored it and said it's not a true statement. I ended up on the phone with some guy and I said my statement is a 100% factually correct statement. And I will cite the New York Times. And he's like, yeah, but it's not the real certified slate of electors. And I said, did you watch the video? And he's like, no. And I said, the first thing I say in the video is that the Republicans who were not certified and are not these certified electors cast their votes unofficially and they're doing it as potentially a placeholder for a lawsuit. And he goes, oh. And I'm like, uh huh. He's like, I'm sorry, we'll remove that. And that was every day that these companies were doing things like this. Mark Zuckerberg knew what they were doing was wrong. He said in this video that they were politically biased. He knew it. And only now that Trump wins, is he gonna back off. But fine, I'll take it. I'll take a win when we can. This is what we fought for. We fought this political battle so that people like Mark Zuckerberg would put out a five minute long video saying I'm sorry.

[Cliff Maloney]

Well, the one partner too, he says is, and this was wild, widely known, but they're going to change their algorithm to, you know, they were, they were kind of suppressing all political or, you know, civic speech.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

And that was, you know, like you said, I'm in the same boat.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Cliff Maloney]

I've got a Small Facebook page, but I haven't used it really actively for years. Because Phil, like you said, you know, you're putting all this content up and it's just, they're obviously throttling it. So the fact that he's gonna, you know, at least, at least give us a fair shake, I think that's just gonna be better for everybody.

[Ian Crossland]

This is the best story. Phil pointed this out to me. This is from the New York Times. So the first. Let me give you the context before I read the headline. Mark Zuckerberg puts out this five minute long video saying, we're getting rid of fact checkers. We're getting rid of the censorship. You can talk politics. Again, the fact checkers were biased. So the New York Times writes, Meta says, says fact checkers were the problem. Fact checkers rule that false fact checking groups worked, that worked with Metta said they had no role in deciding what the company did with the content that was fact checked. You see, this is the dirty game they play. No one takes responsibility. But I love, I love the headline of fact check false. It's Facebook's fault, not ours. They were the henchmen and Facebook was. And this is the dirty game. Facebook says, oh, won't someone rid me of this priest? The fact checkers say, you got it, boss. And then Facebook says, we didn't ban you. We didn't accuse you of anything. There was an interesting thing, however, when this, what came up in the whole fiasco over Facebook fact checking. I actually entertained a possible lawsuit against Facebook and a couple of these companies. Because in Meta, I should say Meta, not Facebook. If a fact checker on Instagram determines that your post is false, it is not the fact checker that puts a label on it. It is Meta. Meta puts a label saying, contains false content. That's a statement of fact that your, your content is false. And so I think it was early and I don't know if they kept this up, but it would say like it had like an I with a slash through it and says, this post contains misleading context or false content or false information or something like this. That's Meta making a statement, defaming you, a media producer. And so we never got to that point where we were thinking of suing. But this was not them passing the buck off to third parties. Facebook was using them as an excuse to then make statements where they could say, you can't sue me because they said it was fake news.

[Tim Pool]

Just as long as at the end of the day, if everyone realizes with Chris Cuomo achank Mark Zuckerberg, that they're not our friends. At the end of the day, just as we get past that point, they're not our friends. Let them do what they want to do. Come to our side, try to suck our toes, because we're winning, but they're not going to be our friends.

[Ian Crossland]

Don't let Chris Cuomo suck your toes, please.

[Phil Labonte]

Gosh, thanks. I agree with you. But again, like, you know, like Tim was saying, what do you guys think winning looks like? You know what I mean?

[Tim Pool]

Sucking our toes.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, that's. Anyways that I. Winning looks like people want to be around you and people come over to your side and start agreeing with you. If you say you can't hang out with me like the libertarians do, you end up losing all the time. So, like, take the victory when you have the victory.

[Ian Crossland]

Libertarians, I love you on the anti war stuff, but I can't stand you on the cultural stuff. I can't. I can't stand the libertarian. Sorry.

[Phil Labonte]

I can't stand a minute.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, Dave Smith can sit here and be like, war is bad. I'm like, you sing. You sing, Dave. But when the other libertarians are like, who cares about our borders? Because the economic numbers are great, I'm like, oh, heaven help me. I. I don't. I want to throw Dave into this, because the Mises caucus is great on this, actually. But there's a lot of these libertarians who are like, why do we care that 15 million illegal immigrants storm through our border? Yeah, the economy is good.

[Cliff Maloney]

And I'm like, it's an. It's an epidemic. And you know, the one thing that my favorite Roger Stone rule that I now equate to libertarians is losers don't legislate. And that is my new rule. For a lot of these folks, it's like, have a plan, man. You know? But no, I don't even look at those libertarians as actual libertarians. The Ron Paul, Dave Smith, Tom woods type libertarians. Absolutely. And those people realize the border is a real problem and it is impacting. I mean, the fentanyl crisis is a crisis. You cannot just say, oh, let's just open the border.

[Ian Crossland]

But it's not so much just that. It is, but my issue is the libertarians. Like, why is the border a crisis? To me, well, obviously, you've got trafficking, child trafficking, abuse, drugs. Those are the direct bad. Why is all mass migration bad? And I will say this. I'm a fan of immigration. I Like the O1 visa, the O1 is the extraordinary talent. So if you've got a pro athlete, a PhD rocket scientist or whatever, they can come to this country, we'll take them. That's the brain drain, baby. We love that. But when you bring in millions upon millions, legally or otherwise, the American culture is something. Sam Hyde hit the nail on the head with the hammer. You saw that video. It's unquantifiable. It's waking up in the morning at the smell of cinnamon pancakes and coffee that mom's made. It's an orange juice. It's. It's Christmas morning. It's. It's Halloween, trick or treating. These are things that don't exist in other countries that are not economic. They have nothing to do with whether or not the border has drugs or anything like that. Those are bad things. It has to do with whether or not we love our lives and want to share them with our children.

[Phil Labonte]

The. The whole. Like. Like the, the whole. Back in the day, you know, you used to have to learn English and blah, blah. There's. There's legitimacy to those arguments. And I think. I do think that, like, you should have to learn English if you come to the United States. I do think that it would be cool if Congress made the, you know, it's had enough said that, you know, pass the law that said there was an official language and that it was English. Like, and you have to learn English to be an American. And I think that, like, I was under the impression that the H. The H1 visa, HB. What is H1B visa? Was the same thing. Was. Was actually what the O1 is.

[Ian Crossland]

No, that's the lie. That's the trick they use.

[Phil Labonte]

So.

[Cliff Maloney]

Got me.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't know that there was a distinction. I didn't realize that the, that the. The H1B visa was just, you know, was being abused as much as is. And so, like, I have no problem with the O1 visa either. The H1B, we can get rid of it. I think it's fine if we shut down a lot of immigration. Like, we could cut immigration down to, like, a trickle, and I'd be perfectly fine with it. I do think that it's good. It would be good if the people that are here that are not Americanized did assimilate. I do think that that should be something that we demand of the people that come to the United States. You should come to the United States and become an. If your ideology doesn't line up with. With an. With the American. The American Ideology, you shouldn't be allowed to come here. It's not racist to say your culture doesn't fit in with ours. And you, you can either, if you want to, to live life according to your old, to the old ways that your culture has, go back to where you came from. If you're going to come to the United States, you come to become an American, you know, and I don't think that, that I don't understand why there's such a problem with that or why people have, have decided that's a problem. It's perfectly fine for there to be a bunch of different countries around the world, and you're. A lot of the places will allow you to go to where you go, the place that you prefer.

[Ian Crossland]

Donald, Donald Trump wants to have military parades, which was like a normal thing for everybody for a long time. It is not fascist. It is. We have pride. Yeah, we have, we have a strong military. We're proud of those who sacrifice for the United States. It's strange that Trump's like, let's honor the men and women in uniform and have a military parade. And they're like, that's fascism. Because it's showing off military might and power. It's like, we love our veterans. We. That's like every country does. They want to destroy us, our values, our traditions. And they have claimed when we say things like, we don't like Happy Holidays, I'm not gonna cry about it, but I, I say Merry Christmas because I love Christmas and I understand it means a lot more to most people than it does to me. To me, it's like, I grew up Catholic, but it's largely just family, American tradition. I do respect the Christian moral values that have shaped this country tremendously. And I think these are things that we should maintain, uphold, and cherish. And the left wants to convince you you're an evil, fascistic monster for saying, I love what my parents gave me. That's insane. The idea that you would teach your children discipline and morals is not fascism. The idea that you want to celebrate those who would sacrifice to protect your way of life is not fascism. And this is the game they play when we try to say things like, hey, man, we're for legal immigration, so long as it's not at the expense of the American worker and the expense of American culture. We love it that people want to move to this country, but they have to assimilate. We respect our veterans. We support our troops. We believe that policing can be, and largely is a great institution. We all recognize there are Problems. Nobody thinks everything is perfect. There's corruption, we're going to get rid of it. And they want to tell you they want you scared. There are people live in cities who are terrified to say I love Christmas because they'll be called a fascist. And I think people need to be like, no, no, no, no, no. These are the things I love. My parents gave these things to me and I'm going to give them to my kids. And I don't want 15 million non citizens for any reason coming here and then making us erase those traditions and put up a holiday tree. That's not what it is. I went to the mall and we had Santa Claus and we had a Christmas tree and there was a tradition there and it's okay that we love those things and want them to be protected, saying, I would prefer that my local mall continue. This tradition has nothing to do with authoritarianism or attacking minorities.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we need to stop doing what we got here. Like a great point you had before, Tim, was how the Christians turn the other cheek and are tolerant of others and allow them what they do. Because as long as they're doing it away from us and they've been doing it to us for years and it's, we're done with that, it's time to be over with that shit, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

Look, man, we see the far left engage in violent, deceptive tactics to put weird books in the schools to teach kids about adult graphic content. And they tell you when you say, hey, oh, I think that goes too far. They say, you're a white supremacist, fascist, far right, et cetera. Enough. Much like the racist thing has fallen out of meaning anything because everybody's racist now. The same, the same thing should happen to fascist far right. We should be proud to say, look, man, I grew up on apple pie, baseball and Christmas trees and I'm going to keep that tradition up, okay? And we're going to make sure that in our city centers and when our town comes together, you know, out here in Ransom, West Virginia, they had a large tree lighting ceremony on Christmas and they call it Christmas and they called it a tree lighting ceremony. We don't need any of this non denominational generic holiday season celebration. I'm not for that. And it's not authoritarian to say, if my tax dollars pay for it, I have a say in what it represents. So when I go to town hall meetings or when I'm talking to the locals, I say, hey, I pay for this too, Christmas tree. And then they're going to call you A fascist. Now get out of here. I say, look, H1B, I get. But it's abusive, it's abused, and it displaces the American worker and it's causing cultural decay. I don't care what you call me. It's a fact. These law. But I don't know how I got on the libertarian rant, but you get the point.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with being a nationalist. If you're proud of your nation, proud of your country, they just take it the wrong way. They think it means something else.

[Cliff Maloney]

I think we talked about this earlier. I think 2025 is the year where we're just kind of done with the guilt, you know, this guilt of having to admit or like to watch what you're saying because they push so hard, like, you know, they force you. It's the. What's the cancer walk on, Seinfeld?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, the red ribbon one.

[Cliff Maloney]

The red ribbon. You gotta wear your ribbon. You gotta wear a ribbon. Where's your ribbon? And it's like we're just done. I'm done feeling guilty when I do nothing wrong. I'm done feeling guilty because my parents. Traditions I want to pass on to the next generation. I agree with.

[Ian Crossland]

That's a mess.

[Phil Labonte]

The idea that you should feel bad about yourself, you should know yourself enough to know whether you're a fascist or whether you're some kind of bigot. And if someone says something to you that doesn't reflect what you actually are, you should not worry about it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I agree with you. No more guilt. I don't care. Look, dude, I want people to live peaceful lives, happy lives. But there is a line, and we talked about this quite a bit. You know, I've had this. I've been thinking a lot about this idea of the slippery slope, what it means to be liberal. I think I've very much fallen into the. I'm falling into the post liberal camp. It's not necessarily conservative, but it recognizes the failings of classical liberalism. Carl Benjamin, the Lotus Eaters podcast. They're really great on this stuff. And I think one of the things that was, was. Was a big moment of recognition for me was the slippery slope isn't one direction. They always try to make, make the claim that slippery slope is in one direction. It's not no matter. It's a slippery ice rink where no matter which direction you go, you're sliding in that direction. And so the point we brought up the other day was when we as rather liberal individuals. I don't mean you guys, because I know, like, but, you know, I grew up in this liberal area and we said, like, gay marriage is fine. These people want to be in their own homes with who they love, and they should have the tax benefits. If someone goes to the hospital, they should be able to go and visit them. I'm like, yeah. Oh, that makes sense. And now they've used that to argue children should get adult material in schools. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm totally opposed to that. They call me far right. They call me conservative because I'm now saying, stop teaching kids about this kind of adult fetishism. We, that's, that's not reproduction. So we fight back, right? We get in the political arena and we say, this is enough, we don't want it. But then you go in the other direction and now they're Obergefell. We talked about this Yesterday was a 5 to 4 decision. If this ends up going to the Supreme Court again, it likely would get overturned. And then you're going to have only, I think like 36 or 38 states that actually have gay marriage. And, and so there is no happy medium if you say, okay, fine, we're totally cool with gay marriage. You end up with the argument liberals have made is that in schools, teachers are gay married, and they, the kids want to know about, they'll see a picture of the person's husband. I'm not kidding. This is literally the argument they made. They were on axaton of videos and they were like, what happens if a student sees a male teacher's husband and asks about it? Are they allowed to explain it? And I'm like, perhaps they could say that's something for home to ask your parents and not bring into schools. They argue, however, it's Discrimination under the 1964 Civil Rights act to include male, female sex ed and not female, female, male, male, and all other genders. So see, the issue is, it's not that they've incremented us in that direction. It's that the moment gay marriage happened, that argument existed and they used it and said, we will sue you for violation of civil rights because you can't have heterosexual without homosexual sex ed. And I had a liberal actually argue to me when I said, you actually think these books with fetish weird stuff in it should be allowed for kids. And the response I got from this dude, he's a friend of mine, was, sex ed has been in schools forever. What's the problem? And I said, this is not sex ed. This is fetishism. And he goes, no, it's just that people experience sex differently. And I'm like. And there it is. The moment the ruling comes down, the argument exists. Now people are pushing back and they're saying, we don't want this. You get a Donald Trump. Donald Trump puts more, three more conservative justice on the Supreme Court. If Obergefell goes to the Supreme Court, it's likely to go six to three, overturning it under the argument. Hey, it's not a question for the Supreme Court. Maybe I don't know if that happens. But my point is there's no happy medium. There's no middle ground. It's a slippery slope in all directions.

[Cliff Maloney]

And I think sometimes it has to get bad enough for people to wake up on all sides. Right? Look, how does a Ron Paul libertarian become a die hard MAGA guy who thinks that Trump has to win the White House? Well, when they started saying they were gonna cut off the private parts of our kids, maybe that woke me up a little bit.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Cliff Maloney]

I think sometimes it gets to this point where you're like, what are you saying? There's no way you're arguing that. You're talking about. These people are actually arguing this with a straight face. But I think you're right. I mean, it can happen from different angles. But a lot of this, we were like, how did we get here?

[Phil Labonte]

Sometimes being principled means allowing monstrous behavior. And I'm not okay with that. Like, being principled is like, well, you know, it's not my kid. Oh, you know, if the, you know, it's, it's, if the parents want it to, then okay, F that man. It is not okay to mutilate children's bodies.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's, let's jump to the story and talk about where this liberal, these liberal policies get us from the Daily Mail. Apocalyptic inferno rips through celebrity packed L. A mansions as thousands run for their lives but are blocked by gridlocked traffic. Now I hope everybody is safe. This is a tragedy. It's horrifying. And I am not blaming these people who are suffering for anything directly. This is just. Wildfires happen. It's a tragedy. However, California is, is largely mismanaged. They don't do, what do they call it, Forest floor maintenance, A brush maintenance. A lot of work has to be done because, you know, the reality is throughout history, outside of civilization, wildfires happen because the brush falls down, the tinder builds up fires, start it, clean it, burns it all out. Now we got people living in these places, which means we have to do forest floor management and they don't do it. But you know what? There's going to be a lot of breaking news in this stuff. I hope everybody is okay.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

But now I'm going to throw some, some shade over at California because this, this video was going viral. Here's a, Here's a video from fire photo girl. Unbelievable. I'm literally fighting with a homeless person who is lighting fires. She told me she is doing a good thing. Colton, jurisdiction. So this video is apparently in the eastern. It's in San Bernardino, which is maybe about an hour east of the LA area proper. The Palisades are on the western side. So I'm not saying this homeless person started the wildfires, but this is literally a video of what appears to be a homeless person starting a brush fire. And when you have a massive and dramatic escalation of homeless or what I would describe as people removed from society, living in your communities, you're going to get these wildfires, you're going to get crime, you're going to get violence. And so I just want to make sure that people understand this. This isn't the only video. There's a. I got a story for you guys. Let me, let me, let me pull this one up from kget.com 2024 sees rise in fires in Bakersfield suspected to be started by homeless people. Bakersfield, California. This is a story from December 31st. Fires are being lit in California by homeless people. If they came out into the, the Palisades fire or these other wildfires were started because of the homeless people are starting them, I, I'd say, well, yeah, we have the news reporting. So here's what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to say, trying to say anything about the Palheads fire and who started it. We don't know. I don't know. But I'm saying California is a perfect example of liberal mismanagement and failure of a state. And it's sad.

[Phil Labonte]

Are you telling me that a community largely comprised of mentally ill people happened to start a lot of fires, too? You gotta be joshing me. You can't be serious. Look, the. A massive part of why there are homeless, of why of the homeless people that there are is because they're suffering from mental illness. I personally think it's probably a good idea to re. To bring back involuntary commitment and bring back state facilities to take care of people that are mentally ill. That's.

[Ian Crossland]

That's tough.

[Phil Labonte]

It's really awful to think because they were being abused before. But, man, I, I don't Think that it's actually more humane to allow them to live on the streets, to allow them to use drugs.

[Ian Crossland]

The island?

[Phil Labonte]

Greenland.

[Ian Crossland]

No, that's not Sully. Beautiful, beautiful Greenland. Canada.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

The Yukon Territory.

[Tim Pool]

You don't need to waste money on social programs to send them up north.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, look, it's like, it's like you put a million monkeys in a room and eventually they'll write Shakespeare. Right. You put a million mentally ill people in the Yukon Territory, eventually they'll build a city.

[Tim Pool]

Eventually.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, in all seriousness, though, how do you help deranged unwell individuals who are starting fires? The answer is not to let them roam about homeless, hungry and derelict. The answer is, I'm not going to say it's necessarily to forcefully round them up and put them into, you know, facilities and mental institutions or anything like that. I'm saying right now, whatever it is they're doing ain't working and it's getting worse.

[Cliff Maloney]

Well, Trump, you know, I, I know this is probably not something he's going to push for, but he always does specifically talk about, you know, when the people are coming over the border, they're from a sane insane asylums. Like he uses those, those words quite a bit. I'm with you, Phil. I don't really think there is a better answer. I mean, I think it was Austin, Texas, they had this fund that was set up that said, hey, we will fund a billion dollars if somebody can come up with a plan to fix homelessness. Or let's say it was 100 million. Right. And they put the brightest minds on it and it's like, you cannot fix crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Cliff Maloney]

These people, most of them are drug addicts, alcoholics, but they are crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

And if you're abuse and homeless and mental illness of homeless people is a Venn diagram of a circle.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah. So I just, I think anybody that thinks there's an easy solution here. But at what point does the left finally admit or realize that like trying to fix this is not, like, when do they hit that point when their own house gets burned down, when they.

[Phil Labonte]

Stop being on the left. So Anna Kasparian is the, is what happens.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

If you listen to Hassan, Hassan Piker, if you listen to him, he will come up with a whole slew of excuses as to why it's the stresses of capitalism and blah, blah, blah, all kinds of garbage. But when it becomes a reality like it did with Anna Kasparian, then they say, okay, you know what? The leftist policies that I've been endorsing and that I'VE been voting for and that are instated, that have been stated in California. They just don't work. And so they. You stop being a leftist is what happens. Because the leftists are wrong idiots. And they're wrong.

[Tim Pool]

That's only because she's like sane. Because we've had examples in the past where like the, the one guy got killed and is the girlfriend went and fought for the guy who killed her boyfriend. It's too many scenarios where they, they want to help. You know, they're crazy themselves.

[Phil Labonte]

If he'd have assaulted her. It wasn't personal enough. And, and it sounds horrible.

[Tim Pool]

Kill the pub.

[Phil Labonte]

I, I know, but it sounds horrible. But she wasn't actually assaulted. It was her boyfriend. It was another person.

[Ian Crossland]

What story are you talking about?

[Phil Labonte]

The one where the guy got stabbed. And then she's defending the guy that stabbed. The. The.

[Tim Pool]

It wasn't his fault. It's racism and whatever. You know, he's hurting his mental health. She was sticking up for the guy.

[Ian Crossland]

Who killed her boyfriend.

[Phil Labonte]

Gotten stabbed. It would have been a different, a difference.

[Tim Pool]

Like last year, the big story.

[Phil Labonte]

But like the, the thing with the Anna Kasparian is there were multiple issues, multiple things. There was, she was sexually assaulted and then there was all the people giving her crap because she said don't call me a birthing person. So it took a few different couple rounds, you know, a couple things to happen to get her to say okay, I'm over this. But that's generally what it is. It can't be. Or it's rarely just one because that, that stupid from the majority chick, she got elbowed in the face on a, a subway one time and she's out there down there making excuses. Oh, I don't wouldn't want him to have to go to a, to a facility. I'm, I was scared and stuff. But you know, it's, it's more important that he get to elbow people on the subway than for me to be not elbowed.

[Ian Crossland]

The homeless stuff, the homeless issue stuff really gets me on the left. It's one of the most annoying things because these self righteous H20 people who've never even tried, like Kyle Kalinsky, I wrecked on him a while ago, they have no idea what they're talking about. They've never actually dealt with the problem. They have no idea what it is. And in their minds, I mean, you gotta understand, this is a guy who doesn't know what a farm looks like. Yeah. He thinks a homeless person is a guy who like got laid off from work. And is like, oh, gosh darn. If only I had opportunity in this country and the billionaires didn't rob me blind, I'd have a house. The reality is homeless people are like, I need a hit. I need a hit. I need a hit. I need a hit. And you're like, excuse me, sir, can I get you a blanket or food? You got a hit. You got a hit. You got a hit. And you're like, are you. Are you saying you need drugs? And I'm like, I can't talk to this guy anymore. I don't know what to do. That's homelessness. Sometimes I bumped into homeless people who are like, yeah, man, look, I'm not interested. I appreciate the help. This is. This is where I live by, you know, and they were of sound mind, but they choose it. When I was in Seattle, you got a lot of teenage homeless kids, and they're like, we want to be here. Go away. They choose. There are kids who hop on the trains and they ride them through the. The north to the northwest intentionally to meet up with other derelict rail hopping homeless kids. It's like, to them, it's cool. Yeah, there's no getting those kids off the street.

[Cliff Maloney]

Listen, I don't talk about this too often. My sister's on the street in Kensington, and fentanyl, Definitely fentanyl. It's been 14 years. And I tell people, like, there's this weird, you know, the first four or five years with the addiction, you're like, hey, you know, here's some money. Let's put you in rehab. Let's put you in rehab. Hey, you need a place to stay? Let's put you in rehab for the 10th time. Let's put you in rehab for the 15th time, right? And you get to a certain point, she's my sister. I love her. I'm rooting for her. But, you know, for your own sake, of like, after five or six years, it's like they. If they don't want help, it's on them.

[Phil Labonte]

Homeless Homelessness is a choice because if you choose to do the things that keep you homeless, even if you're like, oh, I would love to have a home, okay, well, then you got to stop doing heroin, you know? And it's like, if the choice is stop doing heroin and go into a facility that sets you on the. On the path to getting into a home, but you don't stop doing heroin. You're choosing to remain homeless.

[Ian Crossland]

And the issue is, you know why? Because I worked. I worked for a homeless shelter. The Reason why you don't really bump into a lot of people who are of sound mind and homeless is because they quickly are not homeless, because there are tons of nonprofits and organizations that will give you a clean suit, give you a place to sleep, help you get a job, and help you get an apartment. The problem is the people who are largely homeless are mentally unwell. And the answer of just let them do their thing isn't solving the problem. But when you run into a guy who's like, look, man, I lost my job and then I couldn't pay the rent, they just evicted me, and I've been sleeping out here for a week, the shelters go, you want a room at a house? And they go, yes, please. And they take it. They say, we'll wash your laundry for you. There's breakfast downstairs, and we'll start. You know, we're talking to various places that have job opportunities. And they go, thank you so much. And then three weeks later, they're like, I saved up enough. I got an apartment. And you're like, goodbye. And they're not homeless anymore.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. The problem is that people allow. That states, municipalities allow people to stay on the streets. If you. If you don't allow them to stay on the streets, you go in and you clear out the homeless encampment encampments. You knock their stuff down. I mean, it's a little on the rough side.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

But, you know, you tell them they can't stay on the streets. They have to keep. They're continuously moving around because the cops are shoving them off and stuff. Then they end up deciding it's too much of a pain in the butt to stay homeless, and then they'll go ahead and start doing the things they need to do to get off the streets. But if you allow them a place to shoot drugs, you know, they're gonna. They're gonna continue to shoot drugs and. And that means that they're not gonna get into a place.

[Cliff Maloney]

What was wild was how quick society became numb to it. I mean, if, like, anybody who spent any time in some of these cities, right. It's just like, I mean, especially. We always talk about San Francisco, but we just were so okay with it, you know, right away, it was just like, oh, yeah, you know, the police aren't going to prosecute. They're just going to shoot up heroin. They may have overdosed, they may have died. And that's just. That's just how it is here in San Francisco. That, to me, was wild how we went from zero to 100 and you know, people, when they go to the city for the first time, it's like this eye opening experience. First time went to New York.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Cliff Maloney]

My parents for the first time ever were like, hey, there's a homeless guy over there. Right? And like you remember that. And like now it's just, it's just commonplace.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. I mean I was just in, in Florida and there were homeless people on the beach. There's sleeping on, you know, on the beach. And it was fine if you allow. And that's in Florida where you would think, oh, they would, you know, shuffle them along.

[Tim Pool]

I don't understand how there are homeless people in the cold towns, the cold cities.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, bro, Chicago, they live under bridges. And the way the, the way the overpasses are built is they're really long because like an eight lane highway. And so then you've got these like probably 4 foot tall. So it's a 4 foot tall cement block. And then every maybe 8 foot feet is a pillar. And each of them l, they lay down on top of the block in between the pillars. So as you're walking on the sidewalk, you pass like eight homeless people who smell like feces in urine. That's Chicago, you know. And they, and they, they pile up. Yo, it was really wild at the. Whereas we call it the Picasso. I forgot what the name of the building is, but I, I, this is years ago. I, I'd be downtown in the middle of the night. Me and my buddies would be skating. It's like 20 years ago. And you'd probably see 300 homeless people lying randomly and it's like 40 degrees out and they're just lying all in random places all over the, all over the ground. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

No shoes. It's got to be cold as f.

[Ian Crossland]

No, they had shoes.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean I've seen people without.

[Ian Crossland]

Shoes and you know, they have like, yo, they have probably two shopping carts full of possessions each. And so they have mattresses under the bridges and then sheets are laid out and then they build little houses. Dude, I went to D.C. what was like a couple of weeks ago, and you can see the tents lining the, they have those, those walkways or the roads that go, they have underpasses where, I don't know what the name of the locations are, but you know in D.C. they have like, you go under and a lot of traffic. There's just homeless tents around them. So on the top where you, you know, you're, you've got the bridge, there's just like six homeless tents and we saw tons of them. Everywhere. And I'm like, man, who'd want to be here? That's crazy.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah. And the cold, like you said, the cold. I mean. Yeah, that is amazing. They can last through that.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's jump to this story from the Daily Mail. Let's talk about a good friend, Bill Maher.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, Bill.

[Ian Crossland]

Bill Maher, aghast as he shuts down iconic sitcom star for floating disgusting reason that Trump beat Harris. Oh, boy.

[John Cryer]

If you don't want to talk about politics at all. Well, I shouldn't because I really started this podcast to get away from it. So you're right.

[Ian Crossland]

This John Crier. Yes.

[John Cryer]

But I don't know. Sometimes people say things that trigger me. And of course, we just had the election, and I feel like I. My conscience is very clear. I warned everybody about Trump, and then I warned them that. I warned them about what would get him reelected, which was stupid wokeness, which is what got him reelected. So I feel my conscience is very clear that I told you and I told you and I told you and I lost fans for it, you know, lots of the superwoke.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe it's because you're wrong.

[John Cryer]

Like, I'm not woke enough for them. Yeah. But, like, I think I had it right. Like, that kind of stuff is what lost the election for the Democrats. It's in all.

[Phil Labonte]

Maybe part of it.

[Cliff Maloney]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

I think a lot.

[John Cryer]

They have polling on it.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I think it's inflation. I think Americans hate inflation.

[John Cryer]

They're certainly.

[Phil Labonte]

What?

[Ian Crossland]

They hate inflation. They hate riots, and they hate black women and they hate trans people.

[John Cryer]

Oh, God, John, we're not gonna do it.

[Ian Crossland]

They just spent hundreds of millions. They don't hate humanizing trans people. And. And that's disgusting. Yeah.

[John Cryer]

We shouldn't talk politics.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Ian Crossland]

Bills.

[Phil Labonte]

We don't have to.

[John Cryer]

And this, you know, I mean, I have this.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, so the first thing I'll say is the. They do hate inflation. Yes. They do hate riots.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

They don't hate black women. No. The trans issue is not about trans people. It's about the gender ideology as a whole. But I love how Bill just breaks down like, oh, it's happening again right.

[Cliff Maloney]

In front of my eyes. You've learned nothing.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Learned nothing at all. I mean, Jon Cryer looks good, though, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't even go Wilt Chamberlain.

[Cliff Maloney]

I didn't even recognize him.

[Phil Labonte]

He doesn't look like he's, you know, suffering from HIV or anything like that.

[Ian Crossland]

Here we go. And it kicks off, ladies and gentlemen. You ready?

[John Cryer]

You're asking too Much often to rewrite. Like the idea that when someone is born there is a default setting for humans, male and female. Not everyone is. Now a real conservative would say no, everyone is. I would never say that. But I think chromosomes, there are. Chromosomal spectrum, there's a default. There's a default setting, but then there's a whole other section and that's great and we should protect those people. But don't pretend there isn't also a default setting. And you can't rewrite the world so that every baby is just a jump ball. Could be anything. No, if it's got a dick, it's probably a boy. And if it's not, deal with that in a compassionate way. Well, yeah, but we'll also be apprised of the idea that children don't know shit about anything. Yes, sometimes it is obvious and we should address it that way. But I mean, kids, Christ almighty. I mean the idea that I would as a child would have had to have dealt with something like this.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, again, the people that go through.

[Ian Crossland]

It don't say this is the life I want. No, no parent wants to be in the midst of those choices.

[Phil Labonte]

It's terrifying.

[John Cryer]

Some kids these days actually just do want to be trans cooler.

[Ian Crossland]

John. I don't agree.

[Phil Labonte]

Who cares if you agree?

[John Cryer]

I don't agree.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't agree with Bill Maher.

[Ian Crossland]

That's the name of the show.

[John Cryer]

Well, your eyes are not open to that. I think I really. There are some kids especially. Why is it like so much more prevalent like here than Indiana? Are they suppressing it there? Maybe a little.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, there's societal suppression but like left handed ism.

[Phil Labonte]

Left handed. Terrible example. Argument for, you know, for thousands of.

[Ian Crossland]

Years amongst human beings, you know, apparently in the 30s, scientists basically said there's no, there's no. Left handedness doesn't actually do anything right. Left handedness shot up. People just stopped training themselves to be right handed. And this is a, this is a, you know, this has happened societally before. So this is where we're currently at. They've learned nothing. They will continue doing the same things. Amen. And I say if that allows us to win and gets us through the midterms. Thank you John Crier, I appreciate it.

[Cliff Maloney]

And talk about his regurgitated talking points. Like at least you'd think maybe there'd be some nuance. And it's like you can see it in his eyes that he's not going to get invited back to these cocktail parties in Hollywood if he doesn't speak up. Because, you know, Bill is hitting on just all of the basic points, and it's just the same thing. We've heard it, what, for eight years, 10 years now. It's the same talking points. And thank God they've learned nothing, like you said.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I don't know that I want to say thank God, because I think that the country would be better off if they weren't. If they had learned something and we didn't have these stupid fights about, you know, whether or not children are born a sex or not. Like the idea that just the concept of assigned a gender at birth, that is absurd.

[Ian Crossland]

Every time Alice and I are out, you know, she's very pregnant and people are like, so do you know the gender of the baby? I always respond with, oh, well, we're not going to know for at least 10 years until they tell us. And then everybody laughs because in no reality, like, it's the funniest thing. There's this viral video where this is. There's this, like, fat leftist woman and she's like, I'm non binary. And then someone says, what gender is your cat? And she goes, it's a boy. And they're like, how do you know? And she's like, he has boy parts. And then it's just dead silence for like 30 seconds. It's like, yeah, but I'm not trying to get into all that. The, the, the key point here was Bill Maher's mental breakdown as he's realizing, like, there's no escape. Right. He's right. There are polls showing that it's not the only reason or even the top reason. Immigration and economics were the top factors. But, but the Wall Street Journal referred to gender ideology as a sleeper issue. And then you can hear John Cryer immediately go, he may as well have just said, bill, you've said a thing that will get me kicked out of the cult. So I'm going to pretend to oppose you.

[Cliff Maloney]

Exactly.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. I mean, it is.

[Cliff Maloney]

I disagree with Bill Bar.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, it just, it's, it's so ridiculous because that, I mean, the whole of society is starting to reject this stuff. You've got the whole, the stuff with the Tavistock Clinic in the uk, which was. Yeah, I mean, which was one of the preeminent places to bring your trans child, I guess is a fair way to say it. And even they stopped doing it. They're all over Western Europe, they're starting to say, okay, we're not going to allow children to have hormone therapy and stuff like that.

[Ian Crossland]

But, you know, what the real inflection point for us, it was when Disney said they were removing that transgender storyline from their kids show. Was it Disney or was it Pixar? I think it was Disney, right? Disney plus was doing a show, and.

[Tim Pool]

Then they were like, disney, yeah, we're.

[Ian Crossland]

Taking this character out the statement. And then all of these LGBTQ people were like, oh, no, we're being oppressed or whatever. And it's just like, I think the American people are just telling you you've overstayed your welcome and you're. We're. We're over it. But like I said, man, if Jon Cryer wants to go on Bill Maher's show to his limited audience and then be as woke as possible, I actually hope more people see it. And I would consider sharing his show because I think this will help us get. It'll get us through the midterms. The big concern right now is, and I mean this seriously, the big concern is that we've got, what, 16 months, 18 months for Trump to get through his agenda before the squishy Republicans start just crying and refusing to vote for anything because they're afraid they'll lose in their district and the Democrats will then take the House. So it's got to happen now. If people like John cry and Bill Maher want to keep having these arguments, I say I welcome it. Please do more of these shows. Then we'll get to the midterms and we'll get four years to accomplish the Trump agenda. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Because even the sane, I guess you call them. Yeah. Saying old school Democrats, they are not for this transing of kids and transing in schools and all that whole scenario of sexual ideology. They don't want nothing to do with that. And I'll tell you.

[Ian Crossland]

But it's the other thing, too, where he says, like, the American people hate black women. And it's like, oh, no, they don't. That's so ridiculous. Like, Beyonce is one of the biggest celebrities in the world. Oprah. I know, seriously, Michelle Obama is that.

[Cliff Maloney]

No one believes it. Like, they're literally saying these things. And like, I mean, sometimes you say crazy stuff. And maybe, okay, half the Democrats believe that, but, like, this is like 2% of the population that actually thinks that regurgitating talking point that Republicans hate black women.

[Phil Labonte]

I.

[Cliff Maloney]

Am I wrong?

[Phil Labonte]

I think it's more than 2%. It's not just about black women. I think that. I think that it's. There is a. A plurality of the American people that believe that Republicans are the caricature that the left says they are. So they believe all of the, like, all of the moral failings that they. That they see in humanity. Yeah, they believe that the Republicans embody all of them. So they're all racist, they're sexist, they're misogynist. It's the whole deplorables comment that Hillary Clinton had, the whether or the garbage comment from Joe Biden. These. These. These attempts to, you know, dehumanize Republicans. I do think that there's a significant plurality of Americans that still believe that because they've. They have, you know, the inclination to believe that Republicans and their political foes are bad, and it's the whole team sport thing and blah, blah. So I think that it's more than just 2%. But I do understand your. Your point, your point. But, I mean, look, it's not going away either. That's something that's been, you know, that kind of stuff has been a thing for a long time. So.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I've seen a video with James Klug and Lisa Elizabeth that they were talking to people on the streets of Philadelphia, and they think that Trump has a Mein Kampf next to his bedside, and Taylor is one of his idols.

[Cliff Maloney]

Well, look, the one. The one takeaway that was wild. We had 30 black dudes that chased ballots for us specifically in. In Philly.

[Tim Pool]

There you go.

[Cliff Maloney]

And I don't know what it was, but, man, you know, John Cryer might had it half right. It wasn't Republicans that hated black women. These black dudes could not stand Kamala Harris. I mean, like, and these are not, you know, all these are Republicans and some independents and moderates. But, like, you want to talk about people that did not in a. In a way that kind of one sect of people, they just could not stand her. And so maybe there's a problem they should address on that side, but not, you know, not to try to come after these, like I said, these talking points that are just. It's. While the people are still saying them.

[Ian Crossland]

Indeed. As an aside, my brother gave me these glasses, and I wore them briefly on, like, one episode I thought I seen that.

[Tim Pool]

Looks familiar.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I was, like, pretending like I was sleeping. But the funny thing is, is that apparently I shouldn't say this. I'm gonna say it anyway. The way the Teslas work now, it used to be that you had to put your hand on the steering wheel. And then what people started doing is they would put ankle weights on their steering wheel, which would create resistance. And that's how the Tesla would know that you were paying attention. If you take your head off the steering wheel for too long, it would start flashing and then it would disable auto drive. Now the camera in your car, because there's a camera staring at you the whole time. Stares at your eyes.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

And if your eyes go off the road, the screen starts flashing. So it's like we're on auto drive. I'm driving in like either the cybertruck or the Tesla. The Model S. Sorry. And it's like self driving on the highway. And so it's a straight shot and then I look down at the radio and I'm like looking up. And then I, I'm searching through the night. You have to type in, it's a touchscreen, there's no tactile buttons or anything. And I'm typing in like goodbye yellow brick road. And then it starts flashing red. Like pay attention to the road. And I have to look up for a second, then press enter. You wear these glasses. That's the new thing they're doing.

[Tim Pool]

So you can't tell it's actually people.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, people are wearing fake eyes over and glasses and going to sleep. And the Tesla will drive.

[Phil Labonte]

You can if you wear sunglasses. I was just doing this the other day. If you wear sunglasses, the Tesla won't actually stop you. Yeah, it won't stop you, but it does notice if you have a device in your hand. It says on mine, device detected in hand. So if you're sitting there on your.

[Tim Pool]

Phone, you're texting and.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, what if you just. Which is hilarious. If you want to text, you have to turn autopilot off so that way you can text and drive.

[Cliff Maloney]

Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

And then what if you put tape.

[Ian Crossland]

Over the camera in your, in your, in the cabin? So it'll just be, I can't do.

[Phil Labonte]

It probably because when I first got mine, I was like messing with my phone and I was trying to get it, I was trying to just like record the dry autopilot and it got all pissed off at me and said that I had, that I had one strike and if, if you have like five strikes, they'll turn off. Yeah, you're, you're full self driving.

[Ian Crossland]

You covered it.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, I was, I was, I just, I'm just saying. But if, I assume if you cover it up, they'll be like, it'll be.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, I don't know. Yeah. So if any of the outside cameras are obstructed, you can't turn it on. So in the snow you can't turn it on because the can't turn the.

[Cliff Maloney]

Car on or the auto drive.

[Ian Crossland]

The auto drive? Yeah, you got to drive yourself. And it's really funny too because I've never had the thing help me. It's great when it drives itself. It's so fun. You sit down, you press go and you sit back and you just like. And then it goes. But there have been instances where it slams the brakes on for no reason.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And starts going. We're like, what is it freaking out about? Like there's nothing in front of us. And then there are other instances where it didn't stop and I almost got into an accident. So it was auto driving and I was in Hagerstown, Maryland and there was a car that was slowing down, not doing anything untoward. It was a normal slowing down turn right. And the Tesla kept going. And then probably 2 inches I jerked the wheel and slammed to the left and dodged the car. And I was like, what the. I thought it wasn't slowing down.

[Phil Labonte]

Crazy Musk has said that they're going to have full self driving unsupervised released this year 2025.

[Ian Crossland]

So yeah, let me, let me tell you maybe in cities, but out here there's a portion of the road where the right side drops down like 15ft Y and you might know where this is cuz you probably see it when you leave the ro. It's. The road's broken. You know what I'm talking about. And it. You know what I'm talking about?

[Cliff Maloney]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Huh.

[Phil Labonte]

It.

[Cliff Maloney]

I'm nervous about getting out of here tonight. Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, so there's only one spot within like 10 miles where for about 10ft, the right side of the road where should be a small foot median.

[Cliff Maloney]

It's cracked off asphalt split right?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. And it drops two feet or maybe like a foot auto drive. Can't see it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

So I was driving, I was driving the other direction. So it wasn't on this side and it was on auto drive and it was. It's 35 mile an hour speed limit and a tree was sticking out and the car hit it like, like a tree fell down and it was a small branch, but it did scrape the side car head.

[Cliff Maloney]

See, I think you're right that it's city. So I, I had a model Y and I got rid of it because I moved to Missouri, the middle of nowhere and I realized that not having a charger within 50 minutes of my house was probably a problem. But you're exactly right. If I was in Kansas City or if I was in a major city, it Worked like, like gold. Right. But when there's not the familiarity, when there's not you know all the cars pulling in the data all the time, you know I had to get rid of it. It just was not. I couldn't use.

[Phil Labonte]

It's all going to be fixed in the next three or four years anyway.

[Ian Crossland]

Well here's, here's the other issue. I do think it's fascinating that they no longer rely on sonar. That was a big issue. But in there like cameras are better but the, the thing is in a storm doesn't work. So how, how is like can, can Waymo drive in storms?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know. We took Waymo when we were in Phoenix.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. But it was crystal clear skies. That's why they do it in Phoenix. Phoenix, yeah, because the weather. But out here you get a thunderstorm and it tells you no self driving. So how are they going to have full self driving auto cars out here when it's raining or snowing?

[Phil Labonte]

I assume that it's going to be, you know, it's one of those things where like you know, you just be like well I can't use it now because of the weather. Just like you know when you. There's weather that messes can't go to work.

[Ian Crossland]

No, but like in all the movies where the sci fi. They have the self driving cars. How will we get to that future when these cars can't drive in inclement weather?

[Cliff Maloney]

I think it's going to take a lot. There's going to be better technology. I mean there's just no way. You can't, you can't build it and rely on it. And then all of a sudden it's like hey, you know, I mean that's the thing.

[Ian Crossland]

It's. It's. So they switched from sonar to cameras. So they originally used camera and sonar and then I remember they were like we're no longer gonna use sonar because it's not as effective. But cameras can't see in inclement weather. Right. So it's like what do you do?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Cliff Maloney]

I don't know. F35s can't fly in the rain. But we still got them.

[Ian Crossland]

Is that true?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think it's a debate. It's a. Yeah, it's, it's an issue with the, with the, the Aaron, what is avionics package.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah but come on. We all know that's a cover up because our gravitic propulsion drones are real weapons, you know. Yeah. It's kind of weird how that Kind of slowly just faded out of the news cycle. And like the FBI. Is this true? The FBI said the email was real. That that guy heard Matt Berg sent an email saying that the US and China have gravity propulsion devices. And then the FBI is like, correct. He sent that. And it's like, well, that's weird.

[Phil Labonte]

That is.

[Ian Crossland]

But crazy. People say crazy things. You know what I mean?

[Tim Pool]

So the drones up in the sky still since we, I have no idea. Topics, you know, from the last couple days.

[Cliff Maloney]

Don't drown me, bro.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, everybody, smash that like, button. Share the show with everyone you know, become a member [e-mail] and don't forget, go to boonies hq.com to pick up your 28th amendment board. Actually, I should pull this one up again because this is my favorite thing ever. So let me grab the old boonies store and you know, we, we, we and the team are sitting here and let me, let me show you this real quick. You want to pull this up? We have a bunch of different skateboard designs like the boobies, which is a blue footed booby. And this is a sleeper hit. We did not realize this was going to sell so well. And people just love the boobies. This is a blue footed booby bird. They're in the Galapagos. They, they don't fear humans and they're really doofy looking. And Sam made this board and we got one behind Raymond. Actually, I don't think you can see. Oh, you can't see it. There you go. And, uh, everybody was just like, I want a booby board. And we were like, oh, wow. So we do talk about whether or not we think the graphics sell better. And I was like, you know, everyone who owns chickens is going to want to own a 28th Amendment graphic skateboard. The chickens being necessary to the security of a free state. The right of the people to keep barren breed chickens shall not be infringed. And of course, in the true tradition of the Bill of Rights, it was written with one thing as its intention, but a broader issue at play. That is while the second amendment says the right to keep and bear arms, there's much more to it than just that. It's about, it's about defending yourself. It's about defending your country. It's about enemies, foreign and domestic. The third Amendment, which was no quartering and no one really cares about the third Amendment. The US government can't have, you know, troops sleep in your houses. But it was actually interpreted to mean the government can't invade your home. And Use your property without permission. And so the true purpose of the 20th Amendment for all those chicken fans out there is for one, it's funny. And look at that picture of that chicken isn't the best chicken doodle ever made.

[Tim Pool]

I'm a big fan of that one.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm a big fan. But it's really about the right to sell to, to grow your own food and, and, and live healthy, sustained lives on your own. But as you know, I'm a big chicken fan. So chickens are based. So there you go. Boonieshq.com all right, become a member [e-mail] of course, that members only show is coming up in about 23 minutes where we talk about things that aren't so they're not so family friendly. And you as members get to call in. So right now, join the movement. Each and every one of you. Go to timcast.com click join us if you believe this show is good. It is worth continuing. We need you as members because that's how we do it. We are looking at doing a lot more advertisements and I hate to say it, but it's because we want to be competitive and we want to make sure if we stay where we are and try to try to go this purist route of we are an independent show and we don't need to do this, Disney and Comcast are going to buy out the space and crush us. So we have to be competitive. But I will also add, memberships aren't the end all be all. They're a little bit more than half of how we run everything. So we really do rely on memberships. The more memberships we have, the less ads we have to do. But that's just the way it goes, right? So we, we rarely do ads. When we do what we're talking about with some of these networks is an ad at the beginning of the show and an ad at 9:30 Eastern. So just two, but we'll grab your super chats for now. The, the deplorable Ms. Drake says the USA is supposed to be an individualistic culture. When a collective culture tries to coexist with an individualistic culture, doesn't work out. But how do you convince your leftist aunt? Why do they cling to a narrative? Some people are weak. You can't do anything about it. Some people are sheep and some people are shepherds and some people are coyotes. Just want to run around and do their own thing. Libertarians, man, I got to tell you, they only, the only moral foundation libertarians have is liberty. I Love that. Look up the Jonathan Haidt research on this stuff. Have you ever seen it? So it's like liberals only care about care and fairness, loyalty, you know, authority, purity. They don't get liberty. They don't care about it all. Conservatives are balanced across the board. They. They have a balance of all the moral foundations. And libertarians only care about liberty to the point where some of the questions asked in the moral foundations test are disgusting. And libertarians are like, liberty. And it's like, oh, dude, like, when was it Austin Peters Peterson or what is it is his name. He got booed when he said he didn't want people to be able to sell heroin to children.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep, he got booed.

[Phil Labonte]

Libertarians are good friend.

[Cliff Maloney]

And he stuck his neck out. But yeah, that's. I mean, they go.

[Ian Crossland]

He is correct.

[Cliff Maloney]

They go crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

You should not be allowed to do that. Liberty.

[Cliff Maloney]

I'm going to start using that. That'll be my response.

[Ian Crossland]

Liberty. All right, let's go. Jason Dixon says, Tim, I wanted to tell you my partner doesn't want to open a coffee shop. We will stick to what we know, real estate. Well, best of luck. Maybe you can purchase a building and someone else will rent from you and open a coffee shop. But we do have dozens. I don't know if I'm allowed to say the full number of inquiries we got in the Casper franchises, but it is copious. There are very many. So it's looking like they're gonna start popping up all over the place. We're really excited for this and it's gonna be. It's gonna be great. We're gonna do events. It's gonna be wild. Casper all over the country.

[Tim Pool]

Sounds exciting.

[Ian Crossland]

That's our version of Manifest Destiny. Cody. Justin Fannin says Manifest Destiny for the Imperium. People are calling Greenland Manifest Destiny 2.0. I don't know why Democrats are pretending to be angry about it. The US has acquired territory peacefully, economically, for 100 plus years. We go and we say, you got 60,000 people living on an island. Island's got a lot of resources. How about we start developing here? We protect you with our military. You get access to our country, our trade, our passports. We will also invest billions of dollars into your country and you will live better than you ever did. And they're like, sounds good to me. And then the left is like, no, that's fascism.

[Tim Pool]

It's a freaking win win for those people.

[Cliff Maloney]

You got to hate something, right?

[Ian Crossland]

They hate America. Jason Dixon says, the Gulf of Texas. There you go. Jason Dixon says, Also, can you give a shout out to Roman Nation? His podcast was developed from your community and Discord. Shout out. Discord. We are creating culture. Indeed. Roman Nation. That crazy. I'm telling you, the amount of bonus content that exists when you become a member@tim cast.com is it's, it's amazing. And you get to call in and talk to us and our guests. So the most important thing, though, is that you sustain us. The reason we are here every day is because members make it all possible. So shout out. Let's go. We got Stuart Voxberger. He says, good evening, crew. Let's have a good one. Go Team America. F yeah, indeed.

[Tim Pool]

Go America.

[Ian Crossland]

I, I, I agree. Go America. Sad laughing tramp says if we make Canada a US colony, would they have to put Trump on their money? Yes, we would require it. I would require it just because I'm free. Says Panama Canal is falling into disrepair. Negotiating the US Taking control will be an easy political move. Agreed. And the media is saying that China's not running it because they're once again conflating the point Trump is trying to make. What he's trying to make is that it is over utilized and China has undue influence over the Panama Canal when we should be the one in control and charging money to all these other countries. So the New York Times says he's fact check. He's lying. China doesn't control it. They just exert undue influence over it because of the economic pressures. Like, okay, dude, then we own Canada.

[Tim Pool]

And we need to get it before it's too late, before it falls too into disrepair.

[Ian Crossland]

You ever see how it works?

[Tim Pool]

Nope. Yeah, the canals.

[Ian Crossland]

But you ever see it? Like, I watched a video on Instagram and it's basically like they have locks. The boat goes in, it locks behind it, and then fills with water. Then it moves forward, then it locks and fills with water. And that's how they lift a ship up like 300ft. Something that weighs like a thousand tons or something crazy. Like how much those ships weigh.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, massive. The 40, 000 tons. 50,000.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that's crazy. And they float for that. You ever just stop and look at like a 747 and just say, like, that's nuts. That thing can fly.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

That's crazy. I like going to the airport and I'm just like, could you imagine what it must be like if, you know, Benjamin Franklin was, was shown an airport? He sees all of these massive machines that are just incomprehensible to a man of that era.

[Phil Labonte]

This Is why I don't understand why people are afraid of like, or people think, oh, a big plane makes me feel safe. I'm like, there's more gravity. Or it's, it's like, it's, it's got a lot, it weighs more. Why is it that that makes you feel safer? Like, I don't, I feel like a smaller plane would, should make people feel safer.

[Ian Crossland]

No. Probably because the big plane has more crumple zone.

[Phil Labonte]

Maybe.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. So for those that don't know the front of the plane is the most dangerous, the furthest back seat have the highest survival rates and crashes.

[Cliff Maloney]

Survival rates you said? Yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So when planes crash, people in the back have a really have a much, a significant rate of high rate of survival. The people in front, not so much all those in the back, all those first class travelers. Would you call it a crimple crumple zone? That's actually what it's called. It's where all the energy gets, it's. Most of the energy is getting absorbed and that's in the front of the plane. The crumple zone. Indeed.

[Cliff Maloney]

Could go for a butterscotch. Crimp it right now, but go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

Sure.

[Ian Crossland]

Grofty says make America buck, buck again. I recommend chicken.citylife.com yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Christmas tree out there and everything right now.

[Ian Crossland]

They do, they do. Christmas is over, but we're going to keep it going for a little bit longer. I want to tell all you guys, you know, you, you're, you're in the city and humans, humans are supposed to have chickens. This is true. For hundreds of years, humans have had chickens and it makes you laugh. But here's the problem. Instead of having farms and animals the way humans, you know, evolved and developed and built society, now we're in metal boxes in New York surrounded by concrete and honking horns and brake dust. When you're at work, you go to chickencitylive.com and you turn on the soothing noises of countryside chickens enjoying life. And what do you hear? You'll hear when it's raining, just a sound of rain and chickens going. That's, that's the thing people need to understand. Chickens don't go bach, bach, bach. They go bop, bop, bop. Sometimes they bach, but they go as they walk around and then you're sitting there at work and it will erase all depression. Yeah, yeah. I think like white noise. The, the, it's the pharmaceutical companies that got chickens banned from cities because they knew that if people owned chickens, they wouldn't be depressed anymore. I'm not Serious at all. But some leftist is going to write that up, saying, like, Tim has unhinged conspiracy about once.

[Cliff Maloney]

Once the wolf gets to him. We lost Billy the. Our rooster. We lost him. Poor guy.

[Tim Pool]

But Rip Billy Wolf got him.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, we think so. It's either that or some sort of bird, maybe. I. I don't know. It's tough, but they don't leave much behind.

[Ian Crossland]

They don't. We had Mr. Mutton chops, and it's because he had mutton chops. And so we had 13 extra roosters from our. Our batch. We incubated too many of them, so we had them in a separate area because that's just too many roosters. But you keep them all by themselves. They're fine. They don't fight. And then we decided to eat them, and they were delicious. But we allowed Mr. Mutton Chops to live because he kept jumping out of the chicken coop. And we respected it. It was hilarious. I'd wake up in the morning, walk out, and there he is walking around the yard, just doing his thing. And I'm like, you got to respect it. He's not long for this world. And so when we culled the other roosters and ate them with a root, Allison made a rooster chili. Everyone loved it. It was delicious. We had pulled rooster and. And baked rooster, and it's all good. Mr. Mutton Chops was with just two other roosters that we kept for their genetics in this little area. And then one day we came out, and there was just a streak of feathers across the yard. A fox had eaten him, and we knew it. Well, you know, he's food now. Now he's not. Now he's nothing.

[Tim Pool]

Are we making any more chickens?

[Ian Crossland]

Yes. Yeah. Because RB3, it is now high time that RB3 has an heir. So Roberto Beaks is the king. King regent. And then Roberto Beaks Jr. Roberto Jr, we called him, was the new king. And it's because you can't have just the one rooster. The same genetics. You gotta change them out. But so we're trying to keep some royal lineage and so swapping them out. Roberto Jr. Had a heart attack and died unexpectedly.

[Tim Pool]

RIP.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. RB3 is the current king of Chicken City, and Roberto, who is the original king, is kept away from everybody for, you know, we don't want that genetic mixing. And then it's time Roberto, RB3, we call him, had some children.

[Cliff Maloney]

How many chickens? Are you public about your total?

[Ian Crossland]

I think we got, like, 35. Yeah. For a while, we had a lot more, but like I said, we ate 13 of them. I think we ate 10 of the roosters and kept three of them. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Something off, too.

[Cliff Maloney]

Currently. How many roosters? Currently, how many.

[Ian Crossland]

I think we have three roosters now. Yeah. Yeah. And. And they're fine with each other. One is called Pompom Pom Pom because he's big and poofy and he's. He's all right. You know, people. People think roosters will kill each other. They don't. They're. They're all right as long as there's enough ladies.

[Tim Pool]

You also learned that they. They do the cockadoodle doodle. Not just in the morning. They do it whenever they want to.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. They just scream every. Every 10 seconds. Like, you know, that's why they ban roosters in very. In neighborhoods. So, you know, a lot of places are like, you know, chickens, but no roosters. Unless you snip their vocal cords. And they go. And they'll try to yell, coughing all day. That's what they do. It's kind of messed up. All right. Omg. Puppy says Pierre Poliev is based. Check out the video of him calmly debating a liberal journalist while eating an apple. I. I love that video. It's a great video. Yeah, it's so good. He's just, like, standing there eating an apple, and the guy's like, you, you, you, you. You're a far right guy. Like, what is that? What does that mean? He's like, well, some of your positions are. You know, people have said. What people? He's like, well, there's many people who think this. And he's like, you're the journalist asked me the question. What people are you talking about?

[Cliff Maloney]

Name one person.

[Ian Crossland]

He's like, well, okay, anyway, you've certainly taken a page out of Don Trump's book. And he's like, what book? What are you talking about? It's like, well, you know, you say things like, Donald Trump. And he's like, what did I say? And he's like, well, I don't know, but some people have said. And he's like, what are you talking. He's like, I don't know the question you're asking. And then he says, okay, well, my question is, why should the voters trust you if you're taking a page out of Donald Trump's book? And he's like, I don't know what you're asking me. What does that mean? And he goes, why should voters trust you? And he's like, oh. And then he explains his position. It's epic. And he's just chewing on an apple.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, what are you talking, common sense? Yeah, because I'm the only guy that talks about common sense.

[Ian Crossland]

I think he's. I've seen a couple of videos from him. I think he's great. I don't know everything about the guy, but there's one where he breaks down inflation really well. He gets asked directly, what are you gonna do about inflation? And he goes, I'm gonna stop the spending. He's like, they've $800 billion. And then he breaks it down like, you have $10, 10 apples. It's $1 per apple. Then the government prints $10, and now you got $20, 10 apples. You don't. You don't have more money to buy apples. You still only have 10 apples, and every apple costs 2 bucks because a bidding war starts, and then everybody's fighting over the apples. And I'm like, that's a really quick way to break down the problem of mass government spending. Yeah, I like the guy. I mean, he's much better than Trudeau.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

But I don't really pay attention to Canada. So who does? Yeah, I know, right? The Canadians, I guess. All right, let's go. Cowpoke Ranch says Dick Cheney is pleasuring himself to this episode. Grow a sense of humor. I like what? Like, Dick Cheney's going, we want Greenland. Greenland's got 60,000 people on it, and we want to buy it. What's wrong with it? I oppose war and nation building. I got no problem with the US Being like, we would like to bring you into the American territories, and we'll pay you lots of money. It's like, oh, okay. It's better than spending money on Ukraine.

[Cliff Maloney]

Right?

[Ian Crossland]

All right, Carlos, why says. Stop with the fake news, Tim? Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Newfoundland are more conservative than most red states. Just take those four and leave the rest. Also, we have oil. Agreed. Welcome to America.

[Tim Pool]

Done.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. A lot of people have pointed out that if Canada. If Canada became the 51st state. The problem is phrasing it that way. Canada as a whole would be the biggest state, I believe, with 40, 41 million people would have something like 70 congressional seats or something like that. No, not 70, but like, 50, 52 or something. I don't know. And however, if we were to annex Canada, we'd likely take each province as a state. They'd file or whatever, and then you'd actually end up with a decent amount of red states. But it still is left biased, regardless of these great conservative areas. So. Sorry. Let's grab some more. Jackie. Octavia Says Videntus on YouTube has an interesting video theorizing how Canada might be integrated into the U.S. some provinces would be added as states and some as territories, like the Yukon territories.

[Tim Pool]

We're not talking. We're not taking Quebec. French people. You know what I mean?

[Ian Crossland]

No. They can be their own country. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. We don't need that beef.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. And we should have a national language. We should be like English.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

This should be a big deal. Donald Trump, if you're watching the show tonight, make English.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. If there's someone out there. If there's someone out there that has Donald Trump's ear, get Donald Trump to talk about making English the national language of the United States.

[Ian Crossland]

Whiskey Biscuit says, what if the annex Canada bit is just a big ask? And Trump walks it back to only annexing the parts we. That. That want to join the west coast of them. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, cool.

[Cliff Maloney]

Back to it. Alberta D. Chess.

[Ian Crossland]

58 states. We take only 8 of their province. What do they have, like, 21 provinces or something like that?

[Tim Pool]

It feels like a lot. I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, someone looked that up. Yep. Sir, I don't know nothing about Canada, and I'm glad I don't. Canada's good. They got poutine. I like that. Montreal is a lot of fun, but their government sucks. Did we find the answer?

[Cliff Maloney]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

There are 10. 10 provinces and three territories.

[Ian Crossland]

It's that little.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, sir. They're all. They're all giant. They're all biggies except for, like, Nova Scotia.

[Ian Crossland]

And I thought it was way more than that.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador. Nova Scotia, Ontario. Prince Edward Island.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow.

[Phil Labonte]

Quebec and Saskatchewan.

[Cliff Maloney]

Newfoundland. Why is that. Why is that famous? Why do Americans know that?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

Because you get the dog, you know.

[Cliff Maloney]

Oh, nine, 11. They shut down the. When they shut down the airspace, they rerouted every single plane coming overseas to Newfoundland. To Newfoundland. They did a whole musical about it come from away. But this town of, like, 3,000 people, and there were, like, 12,000, like, passengers, and they had to house them, feed them, and it was shut down, what, about three or four days, Right?

[Phil Labonte]

It was a couple days.

[Ian Crossland]

Anyway, I got a job at O'Hare a few years after 9, 11. And the people who worked there said that at O'Hare, when it went down, within, like, minutes, there were a bunch of dudes standing on the tarmac with rifles and, like, in suits with earpieces and sunglasses, holding rifles and just, like, standing and looking around.

[Phil Labonte]

It was.

[Ian Crossland]

I was like, What? Really? Like, yeah, it was crazy. Then There was the UFO sighting in 2006 at O'Hare.

[Cliff Maloney]

You saw it or.

[Ian Crossland]

I. I wasn't there because I had left right before it happened. But the crazy thing is my friends who were there said that Mannheim Road is the long high. It's like the long. I don't think it's a highway, but it's a. It's a wide lane, like four lane road that goes right next to the airport. And my buddy was saying that people stopped their cars dead in the middle of the road, like, just in the middle of the road. And they all started getting out and just staring up at this UFO that was hovering over the airport. And then all the witnesses said it hovered for about a minute and then shot straight up and punched a hole in the clouds. And a pilot, because this is back when they had flip phone cameras, snapped a photo of it, which you can Google and find, and it was a disc, it was a saucer, it was floating over. And I knew a ton of people who worked at. Because it was really close to the terminal where I used to work, and they were all basically like, yep, saw it, don't know what it was. And I'm like, oh. And then one of my friends worked there, and he was like, dude, people were getting out of their cars on the highway and just like, staring at it. And we were like, what?

[Cliff Maloney]

That's crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Who knows, man? It's a famous. It's a very famous story. Like, when you look it up, I think it's got a Wikipedia page. You know, the. The UFO O'Hare sighting was a big deal because there's like, there's what, a hundred thousand people all staring at this one thing at once? And everyone reported seeing it. Absolutely wild.

[Tim Pool]

It does have a Wikipedia FYI.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was. It was a. It was huge. Like, everybody in the city heard about it because, like, people were at the airport traveling, and they're all staring out the window just looking at a UFO floating over the. Over the airport, whatever.

[Tim Pool]

In the sky style.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. And then they all said it shot straight up and punched a hole in the clouds. Crazy. All right, let's grab a couple more super chats. The lion says, wait until the media starts comparing Trump. Trump's territorial ambitions, which is how they'll frame it, to World War II. Bad Man's Calls for Lebanon's rum. Is that what it was? The media isn't going to drop the narrative or compare of comparison, of course. And that's why I'm saying.

[Phil Labonte]

You pointed out elbow room, right?

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, that's what it means. Stop being guilty. Like, we're allowed to like our values, our traditions, and our way of life.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

You're not a fascist because you think it's good to have 2.5 kids, a nuclear family, the wife is taking care of the home. That was always allowed. And it's not a fascist because you like Christmas and you want to say merry Christmas. That's insane.

[Phil Labonte]

Just ignore anything a leftist says, because the whole point of them saying something is to make you feel like you've done something wrong. Because then they put. It puts them in a position of power over you. Ignore them.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm also sick of going to businesses and seeing their employees wearing masks. I'm like, for what purpose is this? Yeah. Even out here. Like the casino, for instance. At Hollywood Casino, some of their dealers are wearing masks. And I'm like, why? Come on. I mean, if. Okay, it's smoky in there, fine, I guess. But that's not why they're doing it.

[Cliff Maloney]

And, you know, they're wearing them in the poker room. There ain't no smoking in the poker room.

[Ian Crossland]

They're not wearing them in the poker room. They do not wear the masks in the poker room.

[Cliff Maloney]

Wow.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. There are poker players in D.C. you go to the poker room here, no one's smoking. They're not. Nobody wears masks. None of the locals do. None of the dealers do. All the dealers know everybody. Everybody knows the dealers. Because it's only like, 13. I think it's like 13 tables. Actually, it might be like 15 tables at the Hollywood Poker room, which is much more fun. Everybody knows each other. It's much more like a home game. You go to D.C. and people are going to wear sunglasses and masks. And I'm like, dude, we get it. It is an advantage. But my point is, I don't care about that. It's. Why do I go to a grocery store and as an employee wearing a mask, I'm like, what's going on?

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

That freaks me out. I don't like it. There's no pandemic. What are you doing? Yeah, let's not normalize that.

[Tim Pool]

A lot of people are still doing it, and they're still just. Yeah. Still wearing a mask everywhere.

[Ian Crossland]

It's largely about saying, I'm kind of glad they do it, though, because it's like, you know, they're in the cult. Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

They want you to feel guilt, I suppose.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't care, though. You do what you want. But I. I went to A hospital recently, and they made me wear a mask. Because you. It was in Chicago, you had to wear one. There was no, no medical emergency. I was visiting. There's some people I knew, and those things suck. I could stand.

[Cliff Maloney]

And then if you'd have to put on a real One, like the N95, like, it's like you cannot breathe.

[Ian Crossland]

Not interested.

[Tim Pool]

I'm working. I'd be working at a pizza place back when it happened, and I'd be sweating my. My sweat. Sweating really hard, man. And it's just terrible coming down your. Your face, in your mouth, and you're breaking out. And it's.

[Cliff Maloney]

What's wild is when there's this cross section of institutions that, like, you still, like the Mayo Clinic. Okay. I was going to the Mayo Clinic. Same thing. Not no major thing, but like, you literally, when you walk in, like they were still forcing masks. And like, when you're meeting with the doctor, like, they're still pressuring you on the COVID jab.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

And I'm just like, how is it still happening?

[Ian Crossland]

You heard about that side effect, that breaking story, right?

[Tim Pool]

The boobies?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. So I guess what happened was. And this is, this is like New York Post reporting, and there's a scientific journal writing about it. The, the vaccine caused a lesion which results in gigantomastia. And so they're like, there have been many women who've reported the Pfizer vaccine made their boobs grow, and then this one woman had them grow massively to where she has to get two reductions. Triple G, I think they said was the size. Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

Might have to change my opinion on the vaccine.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, so what everybody's saying triple G is he. But you know, you know, Pfizer, right? Now, some executive said, figure out how that happened and replicate it.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Because for one thing, I gotta be honest, I think we'd be much better off if we got rid of breast implants and you just gave someone an injection and their boobs grew. You know what I mean? Then these women would be like, you don't need the weird chemicals or whatever in the surgery, just injection. And there you go, be happy. But I'm still not a big fan of the idea that we're going to create an injectable that makes women's boobs.

[Tim Pool]

And then, you know what men are going to do down the road? It's just going to turn into mayhem and anarchy with these injectables, man. I mean, not it.

[Ian Crossland]

I. I think very much the we that we will find a future where there's going to be injections that do stuff more than that, like cellular regeneration, regrowing your hand, things like this. They'll figure it out. Weird stuff, dude. All right, everybody, smash that, like, button. Share the show with everyone you know. Become a member [e-mail] to support our work. And if you want to watch that uncensored members only show, it's coming up in a few minutes [e-mail], not so family friendly, but always fun and funny. You can follow me on X and Instagram. Timcast. Cliff, do you want to chat anything out on X?

[Cliff Maloney]

Maloney? M A L O N E Y. And we will be officially relaunching the PA Chase. Check us out on X at the PA Chase. Appreciate you having me, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

Hey guys, I'm Raymond G. Stanley Jr. You can follow me on X at Raymond G. Stanley Jr. I enjoyed hanging out, Cliff. You did? Also. Also, you did excellent work in Pau and Scott, man. I appreciate that big time.

[Cliff Maloney]

Thank you for that.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, sir. Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix where you can subscribe to my page. I'm Phil that remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. You can check out our new record which will be released January 31st. It is called Anti Fragile. There are four singles you can check out right now. Forever Cold, Let you go, no Tomorrow Divine. They're available on YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and Deezer. Go pre. Save that on Spotify. And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[Ian Crossland]

We were thinking about doing a show at next year's tpusa.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep, we should.

[Ian Crossland]

We should. We should talk about.

[Phil Labonte]

We should.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that remains. All right, everybody. Oh, like a music show [e-mail] in a couple minutes. Thanks for hanging out. Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest. Life comes at you fast. Which is why it's important to find some time to relax a little you time. Enter Chumba Casino. With no download required. You can jump on anytime, anywhere for the chance to redeem some serious prizes. So treat yourself with Chumba Casino and play over 100 online casino style games, all for free. Go to Chumbacasino.com to collect your free welcome bonus. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW group Void where prohibited by law 18 terms and conditions apply.