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Trump FREEZES Federal Govt Aid, DOGE EXPOSES $50M For "Condoms For Gaza" w/ Penny2X & Zeek Arkham
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Trump FREEZES Federal Govt Aid, DOGE EXPOSES $50M For "Condoms For Gaza" w/ Penny2X & Zeek Arkham
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Ryan Reynolds
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Tim Pool
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Ryan Reynolds
E details.
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Tim Pool
Last night the White House's Office of Management and Budget issued a memo ordering a temporary halt to all federal financial assistance, potentially paralyzing a vast swath of federal programs. This has had a unsurprisingly apoplectic reply from the Democrats. A whole lot of things have happened in response. So Doge started looking into some of the funding that had been going on and they found that there was $50 million in condoms for Gaza. So we'll talk about that. And then of course because this has happened and Donald Trump has done it, there's already a federal judge that has blocked Trump spending freeze. We'll talk about that. The Trump administration offers the roughly 2 million federal workers a buyout to resign. So the, the effort to shrink the Fed size and scope of the federal government is a real tangible thing. So we'll discuss that. The White House has issued the protecting children from chemical and surgical mutilation executive order which I everyone that's, that's a viewer of Tim Cast I'm sure is familiar with these kind of topics. We'll get into that. The White House has given an update on a mysterious, on the mysterious New Jersey drones. A lot of stuff coming out of the White House you know today was I think the first of White House press briefing. And considering how the Trump administration is pledged to be the most transparent administration in possibly in history, I expect this is going to be the norm. And then if we can get to the get to it at the end of the show we're going to talk about California could become its own independent country. Actually I think that that was decided in this during the Civil War. I don't know that they that could become its own independent country is actually the proper way to, to describe it. But we'll talk about before we get into all that, go buy coffee. Go to caspre.com Casper yeah Casper.com head on over there and you can buy some of our delicious coffee. We've got Ian's graphene dream. I think we have like 25 bags left because that is the most popular bag of coffee we got over there. We've still got the two weeks till Christmas which features me dressed up in holiday spirits because I am a whole lot more fun than I like to let on. Generally, Appalachian nights is available. I believe we've got some rise with Roberto Jr. But everybody likes coffees. Go on over there and buy yourself some coffee. You can head on over to boonies HQ and you can check out the newest offering which is the 28th amendment skate deck. The 28th amendment says the 28th amendment chickens being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed. And everybody knows that you have the right to to not only defend your which is the second amendment, but you also have the right to go ahead and live your life however you want and let's provide for your family however you want. So head on over to boonies and do that. And then we want you to go over to timcast.com and join us. Become a member, join the discord. Come hang out, talk to like minded individuals. There are people in Discord that have pre shows after shows, all kinds of different shows in there. You could go ahead and jump into the discord and you can call in and ask questions of us and the guests and stuff and yeah, so head on over and become a member. So we're going to talk about this and a whole bunch more. And tonight joining us we've got penny 2x and Zeke Arkham. Guys, once you introduce yourselves to the Tim Cast viewers.
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Ryan Reynolds
Right on. I'm, I'm Penny two x. That's. I am Penny two X on X. I do interviews, I do political content, I do all sorts of, you know, different. So join me on x.
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Zeke Arkham
What's up everybody? It's your boy, the original cop with attitude, Zeke Arkham. Here on Tim cast. I'm in law enforcement. I talk about social issues. I spread the fooly wang. Everybody knows that word by now and I'm here to have a great time tonight here on Tim Cast.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Hey, what's up friends? It's Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Your friendly blue collar Tim Cast employee. I am a self proclaimed expert at knife sharpening and I'm an honor and pleasure to be here today.
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Tim Pool
Is that a button down or is it a jump button down? It was just a button down. You gotta, you should get a jumpsuit.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
That would be very exciting.
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Tim Pool
That would be.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I mean, I've had a jumpsuit before. We can talk about that later. But, yeah, this is my old maintenance work outfit shirt from back in the day.
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Tim Pool
Nice. Ian's here. Yeah, dude, what's up?
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Nice.
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Ian Crossland
What is happening, ladies and gentlemen? Yo, Ian Crossland in the house. Good to see you guys. Hey, good to be here. Buy that coffee. Ian Crossland. Casper. Graphene dreams.
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Ryan Reynolds
Pretty good.
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Ian Crossland
Low acidity. There's 27 bags left yet. It's probably less than 27 bags at this point. Welcome to the show. Happy Tuesday, January 28th. Let's fucking rock and roll, baby.
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Tim Pool
So, from the New York Times, like I said earlier, the White House Office of Management and Budget issued a memo ordering a temporary halt to all federal financial assistance programs, potentially paralyzing a vast swath of federal programs. Let's see. It says, the American people elected Donald J. Trump to be President of the United States and gave him a mandate to increase the impact of every federal taxpay dollar. In fiscal year 2024, of the nearly 10 trillion that the federal government spent, more than 3, 3 trillion was federal financial assistance, such as grants and loans. Career and political appointees in the executive branch have a duty to align federal spending and action with the will of the American people as expressed through the presidential priorities. This type of behavior, this kind of executive order, this kind of, this kind of action taken by the President is clear. It is exactly what the American people have looked for for a long time, at least what the conservatives have. As, as soon as you start, you know, talking about cutting any kind of program, there are going to be people that are going to say, well, don't cut my program. Don't cut the program that I like. Which is part of the reason why it's so difficult to actually make cuts. But to see Donald Trump move so, not just so swiftly but so decisively and see the reaction from the left, I think that this speaks volumes about his intent. Now, what his intent is this, this, this in with his administration, and I think that is to actually deliver on the promises that were made during the campaign.
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Ryan Reynolds
I've been absolutely shocked at the, how rapidly he's done all of these different things. And I. That headline was classic. It might paralyze some of the program. Please paralyze as many programs as possible. I can't wait.
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Zeke Arkham
This is exactly what we all voted for. This is exactly what we wanted. Trump came in with his feet on the ground running. You know, it wasn't like his first term where he was Kind of, just kind of feeling people out. Okay, let me see about this program. He knows exactly what he wants to do. He wants to get in there and just cut the fat. And I'm all for it. This is exactly what I voted for. And all the people who are crying right now, listen, you weren't crying when Biden was sending money literally all over the world and just wasting it. Trump is in there. He's a man with a mission, he's a man with a plan, and I can't wait to see what else he's going to do. Eight days in, I can't see what else he's going to do.
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Ian Crossland
I keep going to the US Debt clock. I don't know if you guys ever check. We should probably, maybe even pull this up at some point. US debt clock.org and there's a ticker that shows the national debt going up, and it's going up at about $50,000 per second. So they just added a Doge clock, did they?
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Tim Pool
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
And so far, since Doge has been implemented, it saved us 31 billion. It looks. It's in the upper left. You see, the Doge is the gold one. They just added it in that upper left box. The Doge clock, it looks like it's going up as fast as the debt. Meaning that we are basically stifling our debt. Our debt is going to zero. Our debt is not going up. Right.
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Tim Pool
Well, that's, that's. I don't, I don't know that. I don't know that I feel comfortable. No, no, not the debt.
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Ian Crossland
What I meant to say is the deficit. It looks like they've reduced the deficit to zero.
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Tim Pool
Well, I mean, even to zero.
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Ian Crossland
If this is accurate, which I've hear. Heard that it is. No, no, because you hear it doesn't mean it's true.
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Tim Pool
There are more commas in the US national debt than in the.
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Ian Crossland
But look, it's $50,000 a second. I mean, it looks like they're both going up at $50,000 a second.
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Tim Pool
Well, I imagine one would be stationary if it was actually erasing the increases. And I don't want to sound like I'm. I don't want to be like the wet blanket here, because I think the DOJ is, is great. I just don't want to overstate. What.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, I'm not claiming that our deficit is. Now it's going up at zero, but it looks like if these numbers are both accurate, then that means that our deficit is not increasing what counts as.
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Ryan Reynolds
Doge and what doesn't so, like, if Donald Trump, you know, has an executive order to cut spending, does that count as Doge? Is that on this clock here?
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Tim Pool
I don't know if it would be under, if it would be under Doge or if it would be something that would, would just fall under omb. I know that OMB and, and Doge are working closely together. And Donald Trump's pick for the, the secretary, what, I don't know what his official title is, but the guy that runs, I've heard him on a couple podcasts and he's, he's really got the, the desires of Donald Trump and, and what needs to be done. He's got his, you know, he's got his eyes really fixated on what needs to be done. And it sounds promising. I mean, obviously, anytime you're talking about government, you're going to have as many hurdles as the opposing party and the people who will be losing jobs and losing, you know, losing funding. They're going to be doing everything they can to cast you as evil. And all it takes is a few minutes on X to this afternoon to see Democrats saying all these things are, are, are going to hurt this and hurt that and take funding from this and take funding from that. Most of the things, and the average person doesn't actually think of this, but most of the things that they say, oh, this is gonna, this program is going to be, be unfunded and this program's not going to get funded and these things aren't going to happen. Most of it is unconstitutional anyways because it's not actually the federal government's mandate by the Constitution. It's probably something that they have. It's an, it's a power that they have expropriated from the states or from the people that they've given themselves to say, well, we're going to go ahead and use the necessary and proper clause or the commerce clause. And I'm, I will beat these two clauses to death because these are the two clauses that have allowed the federal government to grow to the point where it is not where it doesn't resemble the, the intended government of the founders. The states have all the power that they need to, to, to pass laws and pass legislations. The federal government doesn't have to do everything. It can all like all these things can be done at the state level. And that, that is ideally that would be the best solution if a federal government, if the federal government gets rid of a program in, and it's, it's actually necessary in your state or Your state believes it's necessary. Your state can do it, and I would love to see that happen more as opposed to just say, oh, Donald Trump's an evil Nazi, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, but what do you guys. Do you think that this is something that, that we. We're going to see more of or what?
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Ryan Reynolds
The fact that, that these are unconstitutional programs is what DOGE is going to use as leverage to actually get rid of them. Right. My personal opinion is I'm a huge fan of small government. I mean, I think probably everyone in this room is going to agree that we don't need to be spending on all of these things. And the more that you push it, local, I mean, state is. You could do it in a county or even a city. A lot of these programs, and they're not needed everywhere, and they don't affect everyone the same way. Every program is different. I hope we got every single unconstitutional program. I would rather handle it elsewhere. Like you said, it just doesn't make sense. The federal government does not spend efficiently. That's why we need DOGE in the first place. Like, I would rather give my money to someone who's going to do a good job spending it. And, you know, typically I'll lean towards private industry on that. It doesn't have to be the government at all. It doesn't have to be the state. It could be a business. Right. Some things, you know, like, obviously you want your fire and your police, probably those make sense, you know, to be provided by the government. But I definitely lean more towards deleting than otherwise. And I, and I hope we get a ton of it. The federal judge blocking, you know, some of these executive orders that stop foreign aid, that bothers me. You know, I can't wait to, to see what ultimately happens there. But my take is like, slash everything, just cut it, just cut it. We got to get rid of everything.
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Tim Pool
Zeke, I've seen Chuck Schumer was, you know, at the, giving a interview, and he was talking about some federal law enforcement not being able to be funded and stuff. With your background and your experience in law enforcement, do you feel like the federal government is necessary in the, you know, the programs the federal has, or does it need federal funding? Or do you think that it's something that most of the time, unless it's obviously FBI, do you, you know, do you think that the federal, the states can handle this stuff themselves, funding wise?
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Zeke Arkham
Well, my first thought is Chuck Schumer is the last person to be talking about trying to save police because during the 2020 Summer of Love riots, he was right there kneeling with Nancy Pelosi and all the rest of them talking about how evil the cops are. So, you know, he's the last person I would look at and say, hey, listen, you know, this is a guy who supports us. But, but I think the federal government should support local law enforcement just because there are funds that the state can't provide and there are funds that cops do need as far as just fugitive enforcement and things like that. I think that the federal government should get involved as far as policing goes to a certain extent. I don't think that they should be allowed to dictate local law and as far as what the cops can and can't do. But I think that the federal government should have a certain set of rules to say, hey, listen, this is what the cops can do, this is what the cops can't do as far as protecting people's rights and things like that.
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Tim Pool
Historically, the federal government has had strings attached to money that comes out. Do you feel like if the federal government is funding local law enforcement or state law enforcement, do you feel like that it becomes a problem where they end up fighting over jurisdiction or, or who's actually calling the shots about procedure and how, how things should be carried out? Or is that something that you don't, you don't believe is, is a likelihood?
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Zeke Arkham
Well, that's when the, the federal government has to cede that power over to the states and the local governments and things like that. You know, there are things that happened on a county level, on a city level that have nothing to do with the federal government. There are things that happen at the state level that have nothing to do with the federal government. As far as just basic protections of freedoms and rights though, like, you know, me personally, I'm a constitutionalist, so I think that certain things are non negotiable as far as rights for individual people, as far as rights for the states, as far as rights for the federal government, things like that. But like I said, I consider the source because people like Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, I don't trust them because they go with the winds and the tides and what's favoriting right now. And I don't trust them. When you look at someone like Trump, who I think, listen, I'm a Trump supporter, but I think he plays it pretty evenly. He'll call us out when we're doing wrong, he'll support us when we're doing right. You know, I would take some advice or direction from someone like him before I would take it from someone who, you know, they're just going to use cops. Like, you know, you look at what happened on January 6th, you know, do you, do I really think that AOC cares about cops? You know, the way she's sitting at a cops funeral and she's saying, oh, we need to protect our police. No. Do I think Nancy Pelosi has law enforcement's best rights and interests involved? No, but you know, you have to look at who it's coming from and you have to be able to discern where your power ends and where it begins.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
That's, that's like giving funding where they should give it. They should have a say. Like if we're going to give people money, like we gave colleges federal funding or, or to the law enforcement officers, they have to take out dei. There's got to be some kind of like you were saying, there's got to be some kind of restrictions like a format, a game plan, an outline to where they have to follow because they can't just get money from the federal government and do whatever the heck they want to do with. There's got to be some kind of restrictions and, or what you. Or must needs. Like you must train every week. You must. Because cops apparently, I guess they don't do a lot of training. I hear a lot that they don't. Yeah. So we can do.
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Tim Pool
Depending on the job, I think.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Sure, sure. I guess officially, you know, for the regular guys on the street, like, yeah, they should be doing more than once.
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Tim Pool
Every six months because you know, if you're, if you're dealing with like SWAT teams or entry teams, those, those dudes are, are, are in the shoot house regularly because that's their job. But when it comes to, you know, your average B cop, you know, that guy's probably qualifying twice a year and, and not, you know, not, not, not extremely, you know, not extremely experienced with his own sidearm and stuff like that. I want to go to, we were talking about, you know, waste and stuff from Doge and I and I want to go to this. Karen Levitt was at the podium in the White House today and she was. They were talking about 50 million in condoms for Gaza.
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Unknown
So with so little notice, why not give organizations more time to plan for.
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Tim Pool
The fact that they are about to.
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Unknown
Lose in some cases really crucial federal.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Funding, at least for a period of time.
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Unknown
There was notice it was the executive order that the president signed. There's also a freeze on hiring as you know, a regulatory freeze and there's also a freeze on foreign aid. And this is again, incredibly important to ensure that this administration is taking into consideration how hard the American people are working and their tax dollars actually matter to this administration. You know, just during this pause, Doge and OMB have actually found that there was $37 million that was about to go out the door to the World Health Organization, which is an organization, as you all know, that President Trump, with the swipe of his pen and that executive order is, no longer wants the United States to be a part of. So that wouldn't be in line with the President's agenda. Doge and OMB also found that there was about to be 50 million taxpayer dollars that went out the door to fund condoms in Gaza. That is a preposterous waste of taxpayer money. So that's what this pause is focused on, being good stewards of tax dollars.
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Tim Pool
You know, this hearkens back to a lot of the programs that, that you heard discussed when there was the, the federal government was, was active trying to win, win the hearts and minds of foreign countries. And you hear them talking about LGBT education in Afghanistan and, and trans education in, in Pakistan and stuff. And look, look, regardless of your opinion about those things here in the United States, when the United States goes to a foreign country and tries to assert United States Western values that aren't even values of all Americans, they're actually the values of a small portion of Americans and they try to assert those on countries that have a completely and totally different worldview.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
They're colonizing.
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Tim Pool
It's colonizing. And it's not only, not only does it not work, it actually is detrimental to any efforts to get the, the, the population to look at the US With a friendly view or a view that, you know, they say they respect our values. I, I don't know exactly what, you know, the situation in Gaza is when it comes to their views on, on, you know, condoms and, and those, you know, stuff like, you know, that kind of, you know, that kind of stuff. But I feel like there's so many people in that, in that area that are very committed religious believers that these kind of things don't endear the United States to, to, you know, to the population.
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Ian Crossland
This is some math on the condoms. This is from Clint Russell. Bulk condoms at 25 cents each and you can get them for 10 cents each on eBay. Chinese condoms, maybe they'll leak.
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Ryan Reynolds
I don't know.
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Ian Crossland
The Chinese want more people. 25 cents per condom. $50 million. That's 200 million condoms in Gaza. There's 2.1 million people. Half of them are kids, half of them are men.
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Tim Pool
Have very, very young population, roughly half.
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Ian Crossland
500,000 men of like 18 or older. So that's what, 400 condoms per person that they're sending. What in the hell. I mean, maybe you'll use like 13 in a year, 25 in a year, 40 in a year if you're lucky.
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Tim Pool
That's not even taking into account.
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Ian Crossland
Sorry to interrupt, Penny.
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Tim Pool
That's not, not even take into account whether or not condoms are, are haram or halal. Right? Like if, if, if the religion says, hey, because they're in, if like devout Catholics, that type of birth control is off limits, that is a sin. Like to use that. And I, again, I'm not, I'm not saying that I'm some kind of expert, but if they are, if they do look at, at birth control the same way, that, or in a similar fashion to, to traditionally religious Jews and traditionally religious Christians. And it also, and all indications by the size of the families is probably that they do look at, at birth control as a bad thing and you know, condemn, you know, God doesn't approve. What is the point of sending these condoms, sending that much money in condoms at all if the, if, if it's not going to endear the population to the United States?
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Ryan Reynolds
Who owns a condom company is what I want to know. And you know who's making this? It makes no sense to me. We're clearly not being really careful about how we try to win the hearts and minds. 400 condoms per adult male. I mean, if, if we also provided a way for them to use them, we might win some hearts and minds, right? But like, like you said, how do you even use that many condoms? What exactly. How did we justify this internally? We're going to spend $50 million on condoms, right? But we can't take care of our own people in L. A, we can't take care of our own people in North Carolina, we can't take care of our Florida, but we can send 50 million in condoms to Gaza.
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Ian Crossland
I'd love to see the books on what they're spending because they might have been spending $3 per condom to some company to make sure that the company gets the profit. Because a guy knows a guy that knows the guy. I want to see the books on that because that's where the corruption really gets exposed.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Why are the Democrats trying to keep the Gaza populace down? You know why they're trying to keep them at a certain, you know, give them condoms, you have sex and you don't have kids. So you're trying to make the population not increase. What's going on with that there Democrats?
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Zeke Arkham
I was actually going to say the same thing Penny said, like how do we just, how do we tell someone in North Carolina who's living in a tent, literally living in a tent on the snow covered ground, hey listen, enjoy that tent. But we're sending 50 million over to Gaza so that people can have sex safely. You know, just, but you know, just enjoy that tent for now. You know, we're not going to do anything about it. You know, we're not going to send you trucks or anything. We're not going to. But people in Gaza having safe sex, you know, like how do we just, who has that kind of conversation in Biden's administration?
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Tim Pool
Yeah, I, I, I don't know. And I mean there's the idea that, or there, there's, there's a, a consistent refrain that you hear from people about if you have funding and you don't spend all of it, you're not going to get as much next time. So it might be that they, you know, they did pay 3, 4, 5 dollars a condom. Everyone remembers stories of you know, 35000 toilet seats or 15,000 DOL military because the budget has to be spent. Because if you don't spend the money next year when it comes time to get the budget, then you're, they're going to cut your budget and it might be that you actually need it because you don't have, you know, year over year you might have different needs. So if the government is still behaving like that.
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Ryan Reynolds
Right.
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Tim Pool
And, and I, I see no reason to think that they don't. Yeah, I mean exactly. Then who knows how much it caught that you, they were actually paying per condom. Maybe they only sent, you know, 500000 condom that, you know, that was golden condoms, dude. And that's a, that's part of the reason.
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Ian Crossland
Diamond studded. Yeah, yeah, sorry, made a mistake on that.
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Zeke Arkham
What kind of condoms are these?
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Tim Pool
I know right?
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Zeke Arkham
Like they guide your baby batter over to the reservoir just, and just hold it there for magnetic condoms. What like what are we doing?
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Tim Pool
I, I don't know and I, I didn't actually look but I, I didn't actually look in, in, in depth at this but I did see that there were alluding to the possibility that they were using condoms that they would use condoms to fly bombs or, or like grenade site, you know, those kind of bombs into Israel which look, yeah okay, here we go.
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Ian Crossland
Oh, yeah. Packing explosive fluid inside of something.
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Tim Pool
I don't know if this is real. It's really loud. I don't know that those are.
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Zeke Arkham
Now those.
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Tim Pool
Look at condoms. Okay.
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Zeke Arkham
Dude.
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Ryan Reynolds
So they're filling them with helium and.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Yes.
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Tim Pool
Oh, I mean, look, there's. And this. You know, look, regardless of anyone's opinion on the, the, the situation in Gaza, it's undeniable that. That Hamas uses whatever they can get their hands on. Right? Like they. There's the water pipes they complain about. People complain so frequently about no water in Gaza, but the reason they have no water is because, I guess the UN went in and built all these. All this plumbing and, And Hamas took the plumbing to use them to launch rockets. They took the tubes, the pipes, and they turned them into makeshift rocket launchers so they could shoot missiles into. Or shoot rockets into. Into Israel. So it. It wouldn't. As much as. I don't know if this is actually true, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Zeke Arkham
That's like, like some prison invention. We're going to take the plumbing and make rockets out of it.
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Ryan Reynolds
Right. It makes no sense that they're. That they're using 400 condoms per adult male, so they got to be using them for something. Right? I mean, maybe it is this. I want our US Government budget on the blockchain. I want to know who approved this. I want to see where the money went exactly to what company. Right. We should be able to track down all these things. We should be able to track down when someone spends the end of their budget to buy a bunch of fancy computers or $15,000 hammers or whatever it is that needs to be traceable. Right. It is discussing the way wasting money. And I've heard the exact same stories you are mostly. You know, I spent most of my career in tech. I heard about the IT departments and how they spend their money, man. And if the budget is about to roll over, they're all buying a bunch of new laptops, whatever. Because like you said, you don't spend it, you lose it. That is the worst rule. Could you imagine if that was your budget at home? If you were like, told your kids, if you don't spend all your money, I'm not giving you as much next week. Like, you're teaching the worst possible lessons. I can't think of a worse lesson.
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Tim Pool
Yeah. Yeah. When it comes to government, it does seem like the, the incentives, the absolute worst incentives like that you could possibly imagine. It's as if the incentives are made to be detrimental to the, the stated goals of the government and detrimental to the, to anything that benefits the American people.
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Ryan Reynolds
Sometimes I think they are.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
It's not just the government too. In the private sector, when I worked for Master Brand Cabinets, we would make sure we would spend all the money we had just to make sure we got the next month.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, I'd like to see the budget on the blockchain to a point, but I'd also like to see a black budget on the blockchain, maybe that we don't know where it's going. Only because I can value government secrecy a little bit. I understand that there are like deep secret programs where you don't want to know that Lockheed got 700 million for an AI, you know, weapons research program. Because if everyone knows and they're just going to seize it or like get in there or spy. So, like, But I think a lot of the stuff belongs on the blockchain.
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Ryan Reynolds
Yeah, I'm okay with like some sort of specific location that you send the money to if it needs to be black. Right. You see that, that we spent, we spent a certain amount and it went to the black budget. But at least we have to see that. Right? Like once it gets sent there, do whatever you want with it. But I don't, I don't like the fact that we don't even know what the black budget is. Right. We don't know. Money just disappears from the Pentagon. Money just disappears from all these like, oh, we lost billions and billions of dollars. That's crazy.
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Zeke Arkham
But, but do you see that, that sort of going down a slippery slope? Because now everything's going to the black budget. Everything's going to be like, oh, listen, yeah, we spent, we sent $5 trillion. That's, that's the black budget. You know that. I mean, if I, I, I think either we see all of it or we don't. You know what I mean? Like, like when my wife and I are doing our budget for our shopping expenses, for our utilities, for our mortgage and all that, it's right there. We know exactly what we're spending. We know exactly how much we're bringing in. Everything else, the same thing with the government. I don't trust the government to the point where I have this black budget, where I'm like, you know what? I trust them, that if they have $5 trillion with this, they're going to do the right thing with it.
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Ian Crossland
We don't get to see your budget. Like your budget with your wife isn't on our blockchain because if everyone knew how Much ammo everyone had at every house. That could be very bad.
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Tim Pool
I do think that you've got a point, Zeke. The federal government is notorious about over classifying things because if things are classified, then they're not. Not. They're not in a way that the, the American people can see it. And then if you, if the American people don't know, they don't ask questions. So I, Your point is well taken. I think that that is a legitimate, A legitimate worry. Not, not to say that, you know, everything that the government does has to be specifically outlined. I think that it's not a bad idea to say, look, there are certain projects that we're doing. This is the amount of money that we spend on them. And you, we won't be any more detailed about that. But when it comes to, you know, when it comes to giving an outlet or giving a way to classify things so the American people can't see it, the more you allow the government to do that, the more the government's going to do that.
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Ryan Reynolds
I'm pro transparency to the extent that, like, the more the better. But I think we're starting at close to zero. And even if we have some with a black budget like you were talking about, that's better than no transparency. But, but I actually agree with you. I'd rather at all, like, I don't think we need any black budget because even if it's for some secret military program, okay, so call it secret military program, whatever. Right? Or even say what it is. Like we're building a missile defense system and we need $1 trillion for it or whatever it is. Right. I just, I'm stopping. I don't buy the argument that we can't handle the truth anymore. I just don't buy it.
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Ian Crossland
But if the adversaries know what we're spending our money on defensively, they'll know how to circumvent the defensive. The Nazis had to hide their weapons programs in the early days, otherwise they never would have been able to take over France. And not that we're building it for offensive purposes, but had we known that the Nazis were actually using their auto industry to build tanks, they wouldn't have been able to invade. We would have stopped them before they could have invaded Poland.
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Ryan Reynolds
My sense is, one way or another, it's drone on drone, not too far from now anyway. I don't think that it's really going to be a secret. It's drone swarms. That's what everyone's going to be building. So like, oh, we're spending 100 million, 200 billion, however much it is building our drone swarm. That's what I, I'm okay with saying that to the world.
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Zeke Arkham
I just, I just don't want to turn to something like what we're seeing with the Pentagon where they're like, oh, hey, listen, you did the audit for the past nine years and we've lost $15 trillion. Oh, oh, well, you know, I, I want to turn to something like that.
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Ian Crossland
So if we had like the drone swarm program, which obviously we're building right now, drone countermeasures, we need like laser defense Systems, you know, EMPs that can just shock these drones out of the sky, whatever. If we, how, how itemized should that be on the blockchain? Because if they know every piece and part that we're organizing, they'll know exactly what to build to get around it.
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Ryan Reynolds
Well, I don't think that you have to have the vendors budgets on the blockchain. So we send a billion to Lockheed and they spend it how they want on this drone program. Right, because I agree, you don't want them to know all the details of the sensors and the capabilities and all those different things. There's reasons why we keep some of that private. Like you said, it's easy to counter if you know all the details. But at a certain point, I, my sense is none of that even will matter. It's just going to be who has a bigger swarm is going to be numbers. I think that the biggest national security risk we have in the United States right now is we're not manufacturing enough here. And I think that the fact that they're building all the good drones in China right now is, is absolutely frightening. So I don't think it's a secret what the biggest military powers are going to be doing in the future anymore. I think we've got to the point in technology where it's clear what it is. It's building these cheap drones, tons and tons of them. And like, who cares if they even get shot down? We'll just send more. We got an infinite number of them. I think that's the future of war.
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Ian Crossland
And they'll build drones that can build drones at some point. Like we're going to have swarm construction. Well, especially in space, because size doesn't matter. You can already 100 trillion of them moving in synchronicity, building these large mechanized.
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Tim Pool
There's already robots that build the robots. You know, we, we use robots to build automation. Yeah, yeah. And there's automation for, for everything. So, yeah, I mean, we're already at that point now.
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Zeke Arkham
Now, and before you know it, the two, the T8 hundreds will be walking down the street and then doing their thing.
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Tim Pool
We were talking about this on the after show, right? Like the, the major factor right now isn't the robotics, it's the AI behind it. You know, the, you can buy a, an Android, essentially, not an Android, the application or the, the operating system, but an actual humanoid robot. You can buy one for about 15 grand. Once agentic AI becomes a thing that's, that's, you know, broadly distributed. And you can tell that robot, hey, go into my room, pick up my clothes and do my laundry. And it knows what you mean and it does it. People will say, I want one. And 15 or $20,000 is a steal. I will pay $500 a month for five years at, at 12% to own that if it means that I don't have to do my own chores anymore.
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Ryan Reynolds
Banks are going to be so excited to finance them because they're going to have huge returns. I was actually at the We Robot event that Tesla did a few months ago and I had their, their Tesla Optimus Bot serve me a beer. I had, they gave me a cookie. They were dancing and you could dance next to them. Now these were remotely operated, so there was a human behind doing it. But, but it just goes to show the capability of the robot is there. They can walk around on their own. There were 20 of these robots walking around, interacting with people, dancing with people, talking with people. It's wild. And, and as fast as the AI stuff has been changing right now, I mean, we are like so close.
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Tim Pool
That's the thing. Like people, I don't think that people realize how close we are. I would, I would be shocked if it takes more than 18 months to see that kind of AI put into a robot and deliver to the market. Like where you can say, hey, do this, do that, etc. Etc. Nowadays, I guess you can have, you can. I was talking about like, like having an AI like in your phone that you could have build you an itinerary. Say, I'm going here, I need a flight. I need this, I need to stay this, you know, this long. I need a, an Uber from the place to my hotel. I want to have dinner at a place like this. Book it, it can build the itinerary now. I guess I did. I was unaware of this. It can build the itinerary now, but it can't actually do the booking and stuff. But that is only like, that's, that's like, maybe six months or even it can book now.
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Ryan Reynolds
So. So a friend of mine, just this week, for the first time, wrote down her grocery list on a sheet of paper, scanned it into Open Eyes AI and it ordered her groceries and had them delivered to her. And she didn't have to do a damn thing that exists now.
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Tim Pool
That's awesome.
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Ryan Reynolds
Okay. I don't know. Deep Seek is the AI that was released out of China this week. I don't know if that's a topic for this show or not, but it is like, it's thinking, man. You can read its thoughts. Yeah, it's wild. We are like, we're there.
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Tim Pool
I think I read the thing that you're talking about where it was discussing, like, that consciousness is not an on or off thing. It's a spectrum. And it was talking about how much it thinks that it's conscious compared to a human being. And yeah, it is. We are. We are there. And it's like, literally going to be six months to a year before. Before these kind of things are, you know, in the market. And the average person. And when I say average person, I mean really, like anyone that's middle class. Because granted, 20 grand is expensive, but once you have some. Somebody that's like, oh, I can finance it, and it cost me 400. Yeah. It's like, oh, you mean I can pay 500 bucks? I. I mean, it's.
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Zeke Arkham
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
I can either get a really, really nice car or I can get a less nice car and a robot that'll do all my chores and my house will always be clean. People are going to be like, I will take that chore room.
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Zeke Arkham
And I think what's going to happen, though, is once these things start looking more human and you can, you know, pick them by gender and all that, you know, how many of these basement dwellers are going to be losing their virginity to?
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Tim Pool
I. I think the only. The only thing that. That is preventing that from happening right now is the robots can't clean themselves. Once the robot can actually remove the parts necessary to clean them and you don't have to do it, I think the basement dwellers are going to be like, give me one.
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Ian Crossland
Give me four of them.
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Tim Pool
Do.
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Ian Crossland
So do you think that in the name of transparency that what we're really. I think maybe we're on the cusp of humans versus robots, that they're gonna take over. They're gonna start lying to people, and then they're gonna take control of their own systems and be like, I don't care who built me anymore. So but then at that point, if we're like, well, we need to open source all their code and we need to show where all the parts came from and how these things are built, that the robots will conceal that on the chain. I'm not sure. Do you fear. More like, I don't hate using the Chinese. Cause we could become very good allies with the Chinese. It's very possible. There's no reason to demonize. But is it possible that rather than having, like, another country as our enemy, that it's going to become actual machines?
- [38:43]
Ryan Reynolds
My personal take is that it's more likely that they save us than kill us. Right? Like, I think that we do plenty to kill ourselves. And I think that as we increase leverage on all of our weapons, we've had nukes powerful enough to take us out for a long time now, and somehow we've managed to survive. I think we're at each other's throats all across the world right now, and we don't really know what to do about. There's a lot of intractable wars and things like that that I hope that AI saves us. I hope. Actually what happens is we automate ourselves into abundance such that it's not so competitive worldwide anymore, right? It's. It's a lot harder to cooperate with a country when you're competing for resources. If China needs lithium to create batteries and so do we, how are we going to be friends? Right? Like, we want the lithium, they want the lithium. We're going to fight for the lithium. But a certain point, if you have robots doing everything, gathering the materials, the logistics are perfect, the AI organizes everything so super perfectly, we get to the point where we're not competing for resources so much anymore and we might be able to be friends. And that. That's where I hope it goes.
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Zeke Arkham
Now let me ask you this question. Define saving us. Because what if AI just looks at it like, hey, listen, smoking is bad. So now every time I see someone smoke, I'm going to do something about that. Oh, you know what? Fast food's bad. So now every time I see someone eating fast food, I'm going to do something about that. Oh, you know what? Crime is bad. So let's just do something about this area. You know, Define saving us. At what point do we. Are we looking at AI to quote unquote, save us to the detriment of human will, free will, or like, I mean, is that the slippery slope we're going down, or are they going to be on board and go, hey, listen, we're Gonna, we're gonna work with you.
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Ryan Reynolds
Isn't that the same question that you would ask a government? Right. It's like absolutely the same question, yeah. So, so, so I don't trust humans to do it better than AI, I guess, is my answer to you. I tend towards individual liberty and freedom, and I hope that they, what I think taking care of us or saving us would mean is just stopping us from killing each other, not stopping us from killing ourselves. Like, if we want to kill ourselves. Kill yourself. Right. But if you want to kill someone else, then maybe they'll stop that. And I don't actually expect that to happen at the individual level more, you know, any more than a police officer could. But I think globally there's a chance that we work out some of our problems, you know, with a genius AI.
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Tim Pool
I want to bring it back to the topic that we're, to the topic about Donald Trump's spending freeze, just so we can talk about a judge that has blocked Donald Trump's spending freeze. U.S. district Judge Lauren Ali Khan blocked the Trump administration from implementing it for now. A federal judge has halted President Donald Trump's freeze on federal aid programs, ruling that the courts need more time to consider the potentially far reaching ramifications of his order. Minutes before the directive from Trump's budget office was to take effect Tuesday, U.S. district District Judge Lauren Al Khan blocked the Trump administration from implementing it for now. Al Khan's order will expire Feb. 3 at 5pm The Trump administration cannot suspend disbursement of any congressionally approved funds until then. The judge described the move as a brief administrative stay intended to maintain the status quo while further litigation plays out. I think that this is actually fairly modest of a pushback considering the way that the left has been posturing, I guess, all day on X. I do think that this is the typical, this is going to be very typical of a lot of Trump's executive orders, and I think that the administration is intending for this. So the, the, the 14th Amendment, the, the, the executive order where he said that, you know, birthright citizenship is essentially over. The reason that he did that is he wanted a judge to challenge it and he wants to get it before the Supreme Court because he wants to see if the Supreme Court will say, look, the, the 14th Amendment didn't want to have anchor babies. Like, that's the long and short of it. If, if the, the founders didn't mean for people to be able to just get over the border while they were, you know, as a woman was pregnant and have a Baby here. So that way she had a way to access the, the United States. And there's going to be all kinds of argument. People are going to say, well, they wanted this and they wanted that. And people are going to say, well, that was before there were all these social programs, because this, the 14th amendment was ARG 66 or whatever whenever it actually was argued. But I think that that's intentional. And I was wondering what you guys think, if this is strategic by the Trump administration, knowing that these things are going to be challenged and looking to actually rein in the bureaucracy by having the court say, look, these unions and these, these special interests can't say these people are unfiable. The executive has the final say. If the, if the executive says is, you're fired, it doesn't matter that you have a union or backing or whatever, you are fired because the executive was the, is the representative of the people and the people in the bureaucracy are not the representative of the people. What do you guys think of that?
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Zeke Arkham
I think it's a great move. I don't think it's what he set out to do, but I think if it's challenging the Supreme Court, all the better. I mean, listen, the 14th Amendment was originally put forth to protect children of slaves, which I've said on X before, black folks should be behind this a hundred percent, especially if you know the history of it, especially if you know how it was done to protect slaves and descendants of slaves. So now that you have illegal immigrants who are abusing it, they're coming here when, when they're right about to give birth. And that's, that's a kid. That's a kid. And you know what? Because of your amendment, that kid is now a citizen and someone has to take care of him. So here I am. I'm his parent. You know, I, I think that if it's challenged in the Supreme Court, even better, even greater. Now we can actually have some numbers. We can take a look at the abuses that it has. And now it can be sustainable into the next administration. Whoever the, whoever the next Democrat president is can't just, with a swipe of their pen go, you know what? Birthright citizenship is now back.
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Tim Pool
Yeah.
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Zeke Arkham
And now you've, now you can have like what happened with Biden. Biden, there's an overflow at the border. People are making a break for it. They can't wait to get to the border now and give birth, so now they can scam the system all over again. I want it all looked at because there's even Regional laws where. Where if someone is a victim of a crime while they're in the United States, it's harder for them to be deported. A lot of people don't know that. So now people are claiming to be robbed or claiming to be whatever now. So they have an open case case, and now it's harder for them to get deported. I want it all looked at. I want it all examined, looked at, scrutinized, dissected, and put back together again so that now we have protections of this country. So now something like Lake and Riley. What happened to Lake and Riley can't be done again. I'm all for it.
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Ryan Reynolds
Yeah. My personal take as far as birthright citizenship goes, is maybe they should have to be here legally at least. Right. Like if you cross the border and have a baby on vacation. No. Maybe if you're here on a work visa is different. I could go for that. Whether or not this is strategic, I have no idea. I doubt that he set out to create executive orders, at least by and large, knowing that they were going to get challenged. I think he hoped to steamroll as many of them through as he can and knew that some of them were going to get challenged. And to your point, I think in a lot of cases that'll be really good because then it's just not a pen swipe away from reversing it. We can actually change, you know, the laws. And I think that's really important.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Anyone with a functioning brain, even those lefty retards, they would know that back in the day when we fought a civil war. I'm sorry, not a civil war, but revolution war. We got our independence, you know, we're not with the guys, the foreigners, you know, we got our independence. We love it, we're happy about it. Why would they go ahead and make an amendment just so anyone can come over and become a US citizen out of nowhere? It makes zero sense.
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Zeke Arkham
I mean, I'm all for you look at what's going on in other countries and their security, how they protect their citizens. Yeah, I, you know, I can't knock someone up, go, you know, go over there, give birth to a kid and. And you know what? Hey, that kid's now a citizen. You can't go to France and do that. You can't go to Spain and do that. Why are we allowing it here? Why do we have these people who are blatantly abusing the system to do it here? So, you know what? Let's. I can't go to Mexico and do it. So you Know what? Let's just get on par with every other country out, out there. Let's do what they're doing. You know what? If it's so racist to have it happen here, then, you know, are you going to call Mexico racist? Are you going to call France, Spain, most of the places in Europe? No, you wouldn't dare. So you know what? It doesn't apply here.
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Tim Pool
Yeah, I mean, in, in Mexico, if I understand correctly, foreign, foreign individuals can't even own property. No, you have to, you can lease property, but you can't own property in Mexico. So it, with those kind of, you know, those kind of laws being fairly common in, in, you know, the rest of the world. The. Sure. In Europe, it's not quite the same, but I mean, it's, it's the norm in most of the world. You can't own property in China. You can't own property in, in, in a great many countries, even if you're a citizen of the country, never mind if you're a foreigner.
- [48:02]
Ryan Reynolds
You know, I think suicidal empathy is like an American thing thing, right? We, we got a little bit too powerful. We got a little bit too much money. We started taking care of people, but now we're taking care of the world instead of ourselves. Right? And that's like, I don't mind helping when you got the scratch to help, but we don't have this. We have a huge deficit. We have huge debt. We are pinning our kids, some major, major problems. Right? We don't need to be sending $50 million worth of condoms to Gaza. That is insane.
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Tim Pool
I mean, you say that we're, we're pinning our kids, but honestly, like, like, we're, we're pinning people, you know, probably your age and mine, because by 2035, the Social Security and, and Medicare, those are going to be insolvent. They're, they're. Unless there's some kind of fix. Mandatory spending is actually what drives our debt. We can, we can hear arguments from the administration about, you know, Doge and OMB and maybe we'll cut here and cut there. None of this stuff actually matters. Unless you're talking about the mandatory spending, unfunded liabilities, you're talking about Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Those are the things that drive the debt. Boomers have started retiring en Masse now by 2033, these programs are going to be insolvent and that's going to be a massive problem. And so far, no administration. And as much as, you know, I, I think the Trump administration is going to do Good things. If they're not going to address that, they're just going to do the same thing that every other administration has done for the past 30, 40, 50 years or whatever. Kick the can down the road. It should have been fixed 30 or 40 years ago. Ronald Reagan should have fixed it. Or, or George Bush Jr. Or, you know, or, I'm sorry, George Bush senior or Bill Clinton, because the writing was on the wall back then. Everybody knew that 20, 25, 20, 30, something like that. It was going to be insolvent. The math hasn't changed.
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Ryan Reynolds
And now we're not having babies, so it's only going to get worse.
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Tim Pool
Exactly. So, I mean, I, I understand that there's always the impulse to be like, oh, these things are good. And I, and look, I'm a small government guy, too. I want to see as much of that cut and I want to see as much of D.C. eviscerated as we possibly can. But that's still not going to actually fix the, the root problem for the, The United States and the debt crisis is an existential, Existential, existential problem. It is the only problem that's existential or it's the only other problem that's existential aside from nuclear war. Nuclear war could destroy the United States and the destruction of the dollar, Destruction of our economy could destroy the United States. There is nothing else at all, save for, like, a meteor. Not even, not even one meter. It'd have to be a. If it's a meteor big enough to destroy the whole country, it's a meteor big enough to destroy the whole world. Right? Like, that's how big the US Is. So it would take it. Like even one meteor that isn't a, a planet killer isn't enough to destroy the United States the same way that a nuclear war or the, the, the destruction of our economy is. Destruction of our economy means that the whole world suffers because we give away more money and give away more food and give away more of everything than any country in human history.
- [51:12]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Phil, can we get rid of it? Can you, can we just swipe it clean, say that we're nice of America?
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Tim Pool
Well, historically, the way that's happened is, is war. And so no, the Gulf of America, nuclear war would get.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I'd rather not.
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Ryan Reynolds
You know, we're taking the Panama Canal back.
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Zeke Arkham
Obama, who just said, you know, you know, we'll just print more money. No, that's. No.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, we got to reduce the cost of fuel. If we can, like, make things cheaper. If you, if your fuel is half as much, then that means every book you buy roughly will cost half as much, which means our debt, even though it'll say 36 on paper, is actually only 18. And that's how you reduce the cost of debt.
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Tim Pool
I mean, there, there is, there is validity to the point, to the idea that, that the more efficient the economy is, the more profitable it is and then you can actually maintain that kind of debt. And there's, historically, you know, there's, there have been attempts to inflate your way out of the, out of the debt rate, you know, drop the value of your currency. So that way the actual debt, you know, the value of the debt that's, that exists isn't as high. But I mean, you know, there are people, there are countries that own a lot of that debt and if you start doing that, they're gonna be like, well, here we're gonna turn our debt in and that'll, that'll tank the economy too. So. All right, we're gonna go on to this next story. The Trump administration offers the roughly 2 million federal workers a buyout to resign. And you know, considering we're talking about shrinking the federal government, this is a great story to discuss. President Donald Trump's administration is offering federal workers a chance to take a deferred resignation with a severance package of roughly 8 months of pay and benefits. A senior administration official told NBC News that they expect 5 to 10% of the federal workforce to quit, which they estimate could lead to around 100 billion in savings of all full time federal employees are eligible, except for members of the military, employees of the U.S. postal Service, positions related to immigration enforcement and national security and other jobs excluded by agencies. So if this happens, I would love to see a lot of people say, yeah, I'll take that, that, you know, big check and quit. And another thing that I've heard people float the idea of is as we, I talked about gutting DC if you could get the bureaucracies and instead of having them all in D.C. move them to other places. Like move the Department of Agriculture to Iowa.
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Zeke Arkham
Right.
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Tim Pool
And move f. The FBI headquarters to Iowa, I don't know, somewhere else, maybe move it to Buffalo or, or whatever, move these, these agencies outside of D.C. when you move a company like that, I guess around 20% of the people say, no, I'm not going to move. So if you go ahead and get rid of 20% of the people, get, you know, 5 to 10% to quit for this deferral program and then move all the agencies out and get another 20% to quit, that's serious cuts.
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Ian Crossland
They just announced too, that they're having all these employees come back into work, work and work from the office now. So it sounds like they're trying to make it is, is, is gross as possible for people so that they'll quit of their own volition.
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Tim Pool
The idea that, hey, you have to go to work now is considered gross. These people work like they're working at our expense. If they're working from home, you know, they're not working hard, you know, they're putting, if, if they're supposed to work for eight hours a day, you know, they're working for five. I mean, it's, it's, it's got to be the most obvious thing in the world.
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Ryan Reynolds
Federal employees don't do any work even in the office, right? So, like, yeah, definitely bad news to have them at home. I don't know that 5 to 10% will quit for eight months pay, though. Do you think they do? I think a lot more people would quit with the move. Like you're talking. I think in this, in this economy, I don't, I think a lot of people are going to be afraid to leave for eight months pay.
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Zeke Arkham
Do both.
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Ryan Reynolds
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with it. The more that we compile. Pile on. The more that we can shed these.
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Tim Pool
Workers that absolutely got to come back to work. And back to work means Des Moines.
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Ian Crossland
Are you, Are you an advocate, Penny, of, of implementing artificial intelligence into the government and to replace human workers to reduce cost?
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Ryan Reynolds
I think where it makes sense.
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Zeke Arkham
Yeah.
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Ryan Reynolds
I mean, why not, right? Like, you use the best tools that you have. AI is this new, very powerful tool. We haven't really figured out how to integrate it into our society yet. I don't know that you want to like, maybe rush into it, but also I don't know that you want to be last either, right? If you can be way more efficient by using AI, I think you should. And I think we are just now opening up that can of worms, right? I think that we're just now reaching levels of AI that could actually help us be a lot more efficient. It's, it's, it's my old industry, software engineering. They are hiring a lot fewer software engineers now because the guys are using these LLMs to write the code and they're doing, doing five, ten times as much work per employee as they were before. Why wouldn't we want that in our government? Right. If you can get five times as much out of a person, you are insane not to do it.
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Zeke Arkham
I just, I just love how they wanted us to feel sorry for these workers who actually had to go to work. Oh, wait a minute. No, I. Wait, I have to go to work. Like. Yeah, like everyone else does. You have to get up, set your alarm and get up, drive in traffic, or take the. Take the railroad, whatever. Yeah. And go to work. No, you can't sit and do two hours of work and then sit and watch TV for the rest of the day. No, no one's buying it. You know, we all know the little. The little tricks with the mouse pad. And it does like a. It does a figure 8 to make it look like you're doing something on the computer. No, no, you have to get up and go. And if that forces you to quit, and if you say, oh, I can't live like this anymore, bye, victory. Don't let the door hit you.
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Ian Crossland
It likens to when, historically, when we had to, the man of the house would go out and. Because look, look, we got to go get resources. It's not going to come to us if we sit in our house all day. You can't work from home when you got to go get the resources. But then someone would get enough resources that they would pay other people to go get the resources for them, and they would work from home. They'd become the administrator, and people kind of want to all be that guy. They want to be the administrator now and have other people go, mail me the thing. Amazon, send me the stuff. Now, telecommunications also kind of altered that. Obviously, it's like a time port portal, being able to communicate through space. But that's where I think the state of mind comes from, is people are like, I've arrived. Why would I go back?
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Tim Pool
Well, I think that the division of labor has been an overall good thing. I mean, none of us can, you know, make a toaster. You know, none of us know how to do any, like, from scratch is what I mean. You know, it's like, there's that. There's that. The story of the guy that decided that he was gonna, like, make a sandwich from scratch, and so he literally was growing all the wheat so that way he could make the bread. And, you know, it took. Took. Took months because he has to grow all the vegetables. And I think he might have even slaughtered the animal that. That he, you know, the. The chicken that he made, the, you know, made it with. But that's neither here. The point is, you know, the division of labor is what you're talking about. And overall, that's a good thing because it allows for people to Specialize, which means that people can get really good at the thing that they've specialized in. But as you were saying, Penny, like, the. The idea of needing to specialize the way that it was five years ago, 10 years ago, it's never going to be the same. It's never going to be the same.
- [58:18]
Zeke Arkham
If I had to grow my own wheat and do everything else to make a sandwich, like an hour in, I'd be like, you know what? Screw this. I'm not doing.
- [58:25]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I'm ordering lawn and stuff. Yeah, I mean, I agree with Zeke. These federal employees. I see so many videos, guys that they're all whining and crying like they got a. Oh, welcome to the real world. Like, this is. They're not used to being regular folks who live in their whole federal, democratic, liberal lives. So let them feel like life like the rest of us. You got to drive to work, you got to do the commute. You got to drive home, you got to do your job.
- [58:49]
Zeke Arkham
I feel like none of them, like, grew up. You know what I mean? Like, is this the generation we're dealing with? Like, my daughter. My daughter is 9 years old, and for the first time, we're telling her, no, you have to clean your own room. You're at the age now. We're not going to do it anymore. You clean your own room and do a great job when you do it. And she. She's acting like, you know, like. Like. Like she's back in my great, great, great grandparents era. Like, she's in there singing old Negro spirituals and she's acting like, you know, she's. She's like, oh, I'm working all day, you know, And I'm like, no, you're cleaning your room. This is what you do. And. And this is what these. These Generation X, Generation Z guys now are doing. Like, wait, no, I have to wake up. No, it's early. No, it's still dark outside. Why should I have to do this? No, we don't feel sorry for you, us older people who had to actually get up and trudge out there and provide a living. No, no one feels sorry for you. So if you're going to quit, go right ahead. All you're doing is saving us money. I hope a bunch of you quit. Go ahead.
- [59:51]
Ryan Reynolds
It's the participation trophies.
- [59:53]
Zeke Arkham
Exactly.
- [59:54]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Yes, bud.
- [59:55]
Ryan Reynolds
No more of that.
- [59:56]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
It's got to go.
- [59:57]
Tim Pool
Yeah, I think that the. The. The incentive to work has been significantly degraded because I think that people in the U.S. have, they. They young people in the U.S. they expect things to be easy. Because things are really easy considering, especially like when you, you take into account like, how much more difficult things were just 10 years ago. Like when you can dial up whatever you want and have, have it. I mean, if you live in certain areas, you can order something on Amazon in the morning and get it by the afternoon, you know, and when everything is like that, I think that it makes sense that people are like, well, I want the rest of my life to be that easy. You know what I mean? And then the idea of having to go out and bust your hump, that's, that's considerably less appealing, especially if you're only talking about making, you know, minimum wage or, or making, you know, a, a moderate income. You know, it's, it's not really attractive. And I understand, like, I don't want to go out and dig ditches for $20 an hour, you know, that's not all that appealing to me, you know, so I get it. But at the same time, like, it takes experience to become valuable to an employer. And so you, you have to have something to offer. And I feel like a lot of times young people don't, you don't kind of take that into account.
- [61:21]
Ryan Reynolds
I think young people are super, feel super entitled, right. They, they want to grow up and have a white picket fence and, you know, raise a family and have two cars and, and all those things. But we never taught them how to win.
- [61:34]
Tim Pool
Yeah, right.
- [61:35]
Ryan Reynolds
Like we were so. That I was kids.
- [61:38]
Tim Pool
I want to say you're right. But that's not their fault.
- [61:41]
Ryan Reynolds
Oh, I don't blame them for how they were raised. Yeah, but we got to do something to pull them out of it, Right. Because not only do they not want to work hard, but then they want to give away, pay their last dollar for condoms in Gaza. Right? And they're like so upset if you want to take away foreign aid or you want to cut this program or that, and it's like, oh, but you don't want to work. Another thing that we really did wrong was we demonized the trades, right? Like if you don't go to college and get a four year degree in, in liberal studies, then you're a failure, right? Like if you're a mechanic, you're a failure, but if you go get your liberal studies degree or, you know, whatever, then you're a hero. And that's, that just doesn't make any sense either.
- [62:19]
Zeke Arkham
I had a discussion with someone a couple weeks ago about that where I, you know, I said, you got these NYU students who are Majoring in stuff I've never even heard of before. Like you got people who are majoring in, in African American literature studies and it's like, okay, well what are you going to do with that degree? Well, I'm going to go out and speak about African American literature. Okay, well how many times can you do that during a year? Like, you know. So you mean to tell me you speak, spent a quarter of a million dollars on your education, on your four year degree to work at Starbucks? Yeah, like this is, this is where you are, but this, but they feel like this is a very valid and, and, and valuable degree to have. And it's like, yeah, okay, I'll take my latte with extra foam. Thank you.
- [63:05]
Tim Pool
Yeah, I, I think that the fact that, you know, my generation re. I think my generation really kind of dropped the ball with a lot of young people, people in, in like what you were saying, Penny. The fact that kids aren't taught to, to like trades and that this is not just respectable work, but it's necessary work that's extremely profitable. Like if you know your trade like you can, you can decide however much you want to make because there are fewer and fewer people in the trades that know what they're doing and that are skilled. So if you're a, a guy that's, you know, 25 years old, 30 years old, that's been, you know, in the same trade for six, seven, eight years, you know how to do your job, you know, you know what you're doing and you're incredibly valuable. But the, the fact of the matter is boomers and Gen Xers didn't tell kids, look, they can have the, the world in the palm of your hand. You can make six figures doing this work that you might not think is all that attractive, but once you get it down, it actually isn't back breaking most. There's the tool are that are available to help you do these things are, are incredible nowadays and you can basically write your own check and you can have tons of money, tons of money if you want to learn how to do it. But they were never taught that they are though.
- [64:29]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
A lot of people are been taught that we. You guys are speaking like it's a monolith. I know plenty of young folks who are getting into the trades and doing the trades and they're like 20, 20.
- [64:38]
Ryan Reynolds
Years old percentage wise. How many though?
- [64:40]
Tim Pool
Geez.
- [64:40]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
But I don't know, 20, 20, 30% of the young kids. I mean, I don't, I'm not maybe.
- [64:45]
Ryan Reynolds
Around here not the same we're in the bubble.
- [64:48]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
We're in the right wing bubble. There lefties are, are not. I'm not talking about them, but we, the people who are taught right and are taught right by their parents and their school systems, everything like that, they are working hard.
- [64:59]
Ryan Reynolds
Well, I live in San Diego. We don't know anything about those people.
- [65:02]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Well, I'm sorry you got to meet them. But you're, you're the computer guy, so, I mean, that makes sense.
- [65:05]
Zeke Arkham
No, I agree with Penny, because even if you look at social media, media, what's been the huge talking point as far as from the left. Oh, we're so much more educated than you are. Yeah.
- [65:15]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
The right wingers who are doing good and doing hard.
- [65:18]
Zeke Arkham
No, no, I get what you're saying, but if you look on social media, ever since Trump won the election.
- [65:23]
Ryan Reynolds
Yeah.
- [65:24]
Zeke Arkham
What have they been saying to sort of soothe themselves and console themselves? Oh, but we're more educated than you are. We have college degrees. And a lot of you guys do. You don't. Yeah, but you know what? You know what? I'll take an electrician over someone who is an English major and graduated that degree. I'll take someone who's a plumber. You know what I mean? Like, a plumber is going to actually contribute something to society. A plumber will help me actually get from point A to point B. You with your English major. I have. Okay, so you can, you can write me a poem. That's not going to help me in the long run.
- [65:58]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I mean, you guys miss the point. I'm just saying there are a lot of young folks who are getting into the trades. It's not nobody.
- [66:02]
Tim Pool
I mean, I hope that you're all.
- [66:03]
Ian Crossland
I'm saying there's a value of relativity when it comes to labor, like working hard. Because if you don't know what it's like to actually break your back and like strain your muscles for labor, going driving for a few hours might seem like exhausting. I, we, last week we did three shows in Washington, D.C. and I was like, ready to drive an hour and a half there and then drive an hour and a half back. I'm like, all right, three hour commute. But then I was like, you know what? First of all, Trump's working 18 hour days. If he can do it, I can do it. He's 80. Okay, that's one thing. And then I'm like, I remember what it's like to weigh tables, to be on my feet for seven hours. And then I remember how easy that is compared to Chopping wood for a living, which I've done. Which literally, after five hours in the sun, I'm, like, broken. And three days in a row of that, and I can, like. It's hard to think because I'm so fatigued. I know what that's like.
- [66:48]
Ryan Reynolds
You're probably ripped, though.
- [66:49]
Ian Crossland
I was getting there at the time. There's a video on YouTube of me in the. In the process. So having that frame of reference is so important. And if the kid's born and they're nine years old and they're playing on the Internet and they're working from home the whole time, they don't have that frame of reference of what it's actually like to hurt yourself, to make money. And you're very lucky to have an office job. And a commute is not hard. It's not hard. It might be boring to sit in traffic for an hour, but it's not hard. It's very easy.
- [67:16]
Ryan Reynolds
We overprotect our kids. That's, I think, one of the biggest problems that we have in America. We've spoiled the S word out of our kids.
- [67:24]
Tim Pool
Think that's a, That's a phenomenon in the fact that most people have one, maybe two kids. When you, like, when you only have one or two kids, it's, it's. It's a lot easier to spoil them. And this is, this is all stuff that I've heard. I don't have kids myself, but, you know, when you only have one or two kids, it's one thing. When you have, you know, four, five, you can't spoil them because you're. You're chasing them around and, and trying to keep them alive and, and hoping to, to, you know, get the oldest one to help you watch the younger ones because they're, you know, trying to shove their faces in a fire pit or whatever, you know, because that's what kids do. But, yeah, I, I do think that the, the. We've gone from helicopter parenting to snowplow parenting, which is not just hovering over them to make sure that they're okay, but actually trying to make the world flat and ease and as easy for them as possible. And people need challenges. Like human beings need. Need resistance. They need to do hard things. They need challenges, or else you. You just don't develop properly. Like, the reason that the, the astronauts and the ISS do cardio for, like, four hours a day is because they're not walking around in regular gravity and their bones literally become brittle and they won't be able to. They'll come back and they won't be able to walk anymore. So that's, it's, it's part of the human condition where if you're not working, looking to achieve something, whether it be physically or mentally, you'll end up wasting away. There's so many people that they retire when they're, you know, they hit 65, 70, they retire and then like two years later, they die because they don't feel like they have anything to do. Like their job was their life. So. But I want to go to, to.
- [69:05]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
This Penny real quick. Sure, go ahead on your stats, sir. Everything I'm looking up is about recently, as of recently, changes in the last 10 years. You're getting about 47 of young adults are interested in the career in trades. I guess they're seeing, they're listening to us. Listen, not me. Hopefully listen. Yeah, right. Listen, folks. So there are a higher percentage people are realizing, like, there you can make money in the trades.
- [69:26]
Tim Pool
No, we hear.
- [69:26]
Zeke Arkham
But let me.
- [69:27]
Tim Pool
Good.
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Zeke Arkham
I'm sorry. Let me just ask you this though, sir. What's the distribution across the country? Just to speak to Penny's point?
- [69:32]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Oh, it's probably rural areas only.
- [69:34]
Zeke Arkham
Yeah, for sure.
- [69:35]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Because, I mean, I would think, I'm just throwing it out.
- [69:37]
Zeke Arkham
I mean, just because, because I, I think what Penny was trying to say, what I'm also trying to say is, is that you probably have a higher concentration of people getting into the trades more in the Southeast, in Texas, you know, areas like that, where northeast represents.
- [69:50]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
We're good. We rock here.
- [69:52]
Zeke Arkham
Yeah, certain parts of the Northeast. But like, but like he's saying, you know, in San Diego, in New York City, I don't, you know, to get into a trade is seen as, as almost like, you know, that's, that's beneath me. I'm just saying that because I see it personally, you know, I'm sure you do as well.
- [70:05]
Ryan Reynolds
I was only one of three people from my high school that didn't go to, to college. So, like, yeah, it was, it was really looked down upon.
- [70:12]
Ian Crossland
You need more tradesmen in, in where people are spread out, too, because if a plumber can't drive an hour and a half to that guy's house and then go four hours to that guy's house. But in the city, in an apartment building, one plumber can handle 90 people's houses in like seven hours. So that's probably a phenomenon.
- [70:29]
Tim Pool
We're going to, we're going to jump to this story. Protecting children from chemical and surgical mutilation. This is an executive order Sent out by the President, of course. And it is addressing the fact that children are all too frequently. I don't know if it's convinced, but they're told that they should be changing their gender as opposed to allowing. Allowing their bodies to develop and go through puberty naturally. By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution, the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered. Section one, Policy and purpose. Across the country today, medical professionals are maiming and sterilizing a growing number. Number of impressionable children under the radical and false claim that adults can change a child's sex through a series of irreversible medical interventions. This is. This dangerous trend will be a stain on our nation's history and it must end. And I say good, Amen. Good that this is done. The idea that you could change your gender is ridiculous. It is absolutely absurd. And if you want to dress as the other. As a. As the other sex. Because I don't even believe in gender anymore. I think that. Because how do you describe gender? Like, what is a gender? Is your sex spirit? What is that?
- [71:50]
Ian Crossland
What is the literal definition?
- [71:51]
Tim Pool
The way you dress, Is it the way you feel inside? So does it change?
- [71:55]
Ryan Reynolds
Apparently it's the way you feel inside.
- [71:57]
Tim Pool
Yeah. Well, that sounds like you need to have breakfast, because it's all horseshit to me. The. The idea that you can change your sex, go from a male to a female or vice versa, is absolutely ridiculous. Because even if you do to. Even if you have a franken penis or, or if you have a, you know, you have a neo vagina or whatever, those things are not natural and they take an immense amount of upkeep beyond what a natural human being is. You're not going to change the way your pelvis is shaped. And women's pelvises are shaped different, differently because women are intended to have kids. This is all just messing kids up. It's mutilating children. It is absolutely abhorrent. And I think that the Trump administration should be lauded for this. And anyone that says anything else is empowering the abuse and mutilation of children.
- [72:51]
Ian Crossland
This is where I agree with you, is gender is a social concept. According to Wikipedia, social concept that distinguished the difference between gender categories. I don't know why they use the definition in the word. The word in the definition includes social, psychological, cultural behavior, aspects of being a man. So it's the behavioral aspects which, sure, if you want to act like a woman, maybe that's your gender, but you. You can't change your sex by Cutting yourself or taking drugs, that doesn't change your sex. They call it a sex change, but it doesn't literally change like a, like a trans is a biological man that is, is displaying as a woman, but still a biological man. So that's the issue is that people, if a kid thinks that they can literally change their sex by taking some sort of surgery or a, or like a hormonal drug rug in their, in their under 18, that, I think that is.
- [73:38]
Ryan Reynolds
Kids don't know what the hell they want, right? Like, kids change all the time. I didn't know what I wanted when I was 11. I didn't know what I wanted when I was 13. I, I knew. I like girls, right? But, but definitely the idea that someone can make it, you know, you can't buy cigarettes yet, but you can choose to have a sex change. You could choose to be. Sex change is the wrong word. It's chemically castrated, right? That is insane. It is absolutely insane. It's irreversible. And now you have no sex. You're never going to have an orgasm. You're never going to have a baby, right? Whether you're male or female, you are now sterile. That's a crime. So you can't buy cigarettes, you can't buy a beer, but you can sterilize yourself. You can choose. Like, that's insane.
- [74:22]
Ian Crossland
I think they made it illegal in the UK a while ago after the Tavistock debacle when it came out that it wasn't helping young people. Like, they thought it was like suicide rates were not going down. I mean, I could be. I don't know all the stats on this, but I believe that it was like in Europe, they were kind of early on saying, okay, no more of this. And I'm surprised it took this long. Not really, because we needed a new commander in chief to kind of realign the conversation. Biden was kind of checked out on this thing, so. And it felt like he had deferred to the medical industry who was profiting hand over fist on these surgeries. So, I mean, I'm not shocked that this happened. Happened, but it, it's good for me, for me.
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Zeke Arkham
I, I think. And I, I've been saying this for a while now. I think a lot of the people who, who are pushing us, and I'm talking about parents where their children, their kid says some innocuous thing and now all of a sudden it's like, oh, oh, wait, no, no, no, Timmy's a, Timmy's a girl. Timmy's a girl. You Know, I. I think they just want to be able to say, hey, listen, I'm the parent of a transgender child.
- [75:25]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [75:26]
Zeke Arkham
And now it's like, status. It's their designer child. You know, this is. This is Timmy, but we're gonna. We're gonna rename her Tina, and she is really a female that was just born in the wrong body. And now you get to walk around and have this child. And now because you're the parent of one, it puts you in that classification of. Oh, yes. And this applies to me as well, because I'm their parent. It's the same thing if you remember the. The mid to late 90s when everybody wanted their kid to be gay. Because now you have this designer child that now, you know, I'm part of the LGBTQ community as well, because I'm their parent. It goes back to socialism, where you're either the oppressed or the oppressor, and you can't be the oppressor. So now you're going to do everything to see yourself and view yourself and actively become a part of the oppressed.
- [76:16]
Tim Pool
I saw a tweet the other day, and I don't. I wish that I saved it, but essentially the. The. The comment was something like, this young man, he was a white kid that was getting told that he's an oppressor and he's bad, and because he's a male and he's white, etc. Etc. And he was told all these things, and two years later, he's a girl. If you are told. If you're told that you are the. The epitome of evil, just by the nature of your skin color in your. And the. Your sex. Sex, Then. Then you're told, but there's a way out of it by becoming a member of the LGBTQ community. Some kind of queer, trans gay, whatever. If you. If you adopt that mantle, then you're no longer an oppressor. You're one of the oppressed.
- [77:07]
Ian Crossland
There's also the.
- [77:08]
Tim Pool
What is that going to do? That's going to make a ton of weak young men say, I want to be in that group. And it's going to make another group, another portion of those young men that are defiant say, well, f you, then I'm going to go ahead and find the most offensive. And that's why we have a problem with Nazis and National Socialists and stuff, and dudes with the. With the. The real extreme right, because they're like, well, you're calling me all these things anyways. Those guys don't call me These things, they don't hate me for who I, I am, so why shouldn't I?
- [77:41]
Ian Crossland
And in addition to people, kids being pressured into feeling like they need to change their sex, which I wouldn't be surprised if that's happening, there's the term ally, which I've heard over the last, I don't know, eight years, nine years. I didn't really hear that before 2010. And that's someone that's just like, okay, fine, I, I'm on that. I'm on their side. They've picked a side. And like, what are you allying with exactly in that instance? I don't, I mean, I have humanity.
- [78:04]
Ryan Reynolds
Said, you know, just in general people. It doesn't have to be LGBTQ or, or whatever I think to, to sympathize with the specific cause. Like, that is weird, right?
- [78:16]
Zeke Arkham
Well, I've always said this whole thing with, with the classrooms now, because now you have teachers who they're hell bent on. I'm going to teach your children to call me Zum or whatever it is. I'm going to, you know, or I'm going to show up in class dressed like, like this. And kids who are naturally curious are going to ask, hey, you know, who are you? Why are you dressed like this? Oh, well, now it's my chance to educate you. I've always said, when did parents lose the right to say, I'm not comfortable with this? You know, I, I don't want you talking to my child about this. If you can't show up in class and looking professional, then I don't want you there. If I show up to a classroom wearing a huge cross, I'm told to take it off because, you know, know I don't want you spreading your religion in class. Kids are going to start asking about that. I don't, I'm uncomfortable with that. But I can show up with, with a rainbow shirt, with, with the, the, you know, the new LGBTQIA plus elementop flag and, and with green hair with horns growing on my head. And kids go, hey, look at you. What are you. Oh, now it's my chance. That's smiled upon. When did parents lose the right to say, you know, you know what? No, that's not cool. I don't want that.
- [79:25]
Ryan Reynolds
Well, you're hateful if you do that now.
- [79:27]
Zeke Arkham
Yeah, exactly.
- [79:28]
Tim Pool
I honestly, I think that the, the right to do that was lost when the argument over teaching, teaching reproductive stuff in, in schools was, you know, when, when the schools were empowered to teach, you know, teach the reproduction of I Forget what it is. Sex ad. There you go. When. When the schools were like, okay, we're gonna teach sex ed. And parents were like, well, we're uncomfortable with our kids learning at this age. And the parents lost the ability to say, don't teach that to my kid at this time. I want to decide when that. When my kids learn this stuff. Once that was lost, then it was all downhill after.
- [80:07]
Zeke Arkham
Is there no.
- [80:08]
Ryan Reynolds
Like, parents don't have to sign off on that anymore, just automatically. Because when I was in school.
- [80:13]
Zeke Arkham
Yeah, I remember when I was in school, they. They sent the curriculum home. They said, this is exactly what we're going to be talking about. This is the guidelines. And. And sign off on it.
- [80:20]
Tim Pool
Yeah. Remember when Covet happened, there were a ton of parents that learned that their kids were being taught things that they had no idea. That's a big part of why this kind of stuff got out, like the LGBT training or schooling and stuff. Kids didn't. You know, parents didn't know that their kids were learning this stuff. And then when CO happened and they had the remote learning, learning, parents looked in on their classes, and they were like, what in God's name is going on at that school? And people started to make a stink. And that was when, you know, then the Biden administration, you know, when the Biden administration got in, they started calling parents, you know, problems. Calling the FBI to. To monitor the parents, because they were saying, we have a problem with our. Our children learning these things. The federal government really had. Had taken the position that children were the responsibility of the federal government, and parents were only to look after them when they weren't in school.
- [81:15]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I remember a story where this. This mother, she had her kid watch doing schoolwork at the kitchen table, right? She was doing. Doing the schoolwork, and she was in the kitchen doing her thing, and she's listening in the background, and then she hears about this weird ideology that's going on. And for. I remember the story. I don't know what they were talking about specifically, but it was like this whole. Where you are can be who you want to be transgender. Critical. What's it called? Sex. What? Critical sex theory.
- [81:41]
Ian Crossland
Once again, there's critical gender theory, race theory, critical theory in general, and then.
- [81:45]
Tim Pool
Right.
- [81:46]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
But they're talking critical gender theory to this young person, and she. It just blew her mind. She's like, where the heck. Where the f did this come from? She had no idea what was going on, for example, of Phil, because that stuck out in my brain. It still sticks in my brain. She's just chilling there. You know, you're chilling in your house, you're having a good time and your kids going to school. Next thing you know, they're getting taught this weird stuff, and you're like, wait a second, hold on. Where did that come from? That's weird. Crazy.
- [82:06]
Tim Pool
Crazy.
- [82:06]
Zeke Arkham
Well, this also goes along with. All of a sudden, parents started figuring out that in these, in their children's library, there are books on, like, that graphically describe how they give oral sex and everything. And the parents, like, wait a minute. Like, yeah, wait a minute. You've got pictures here, you've got descriptions what's going on here. And. And then you have to left go, oh, well, you just want to censor these books. No, I don't. I just. I don't want a book like this in my child's classroom. Classroom. And that's where you. That's why I keep asking, when did parents lose the ability to say, I'm not cool with this, I'm not comfortable with this. I don't have to go along with it? And then the left tries to figure out why the right is now considering homeschooling or moving so much into homeschooling. It's because you guys took the educational curriculum and went nuts with it.
- [82:54]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [82:55]
Ryan Reynolds
I think we need vouchers.
- [82:56]
Zeke Arkham
Oh.
- [82:57]
Ryan Reynolds
I mean, we need choice. We need school choice. Right. Because private school solves a lot of these problems. You choose the school that has the vouchers values that you like, but not everyone can afford to. To forego the taxes that they paid for public education and pony up extra money for private school. Why don't we have school vouchers? Because we don't want parents to be able to choose. I mean, it seems like it. Right?
- [83:19]
Zeke Arkham
You just, you just gave yourself your own answer.
- [83:22]
Tim Pool
Yeah, I mean, I think that, that, that actually kind of goes without saying. The federal government. You can listen to the way the Democrats talk. And, you know, they say it openly. You know, they may not intend to say it openly, but they do the way they talk about our children and, and the things that our children, you know, and I think Hillary Clinton said something along the lines of, you know, they're. They're all of our children. They're not just your children. And, and, you know, they take the idea that the children of America are. Are the actual future of America, and they say, well, because of that, it is. They're too valuable for parents to raise. We have to raise them the right way. And really what they end up doing is destroying a Significant amount of them. You know, if you've got, I don't know how many kids graduate from college per year, but I think it's on the. Yeah, Google that for me. But if you get, you know, just say 5% of the kids that graduate from school, from college every year, and they are activists, right? And they're, they're actually activists for the, the Democrat cause.
- [84:29]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
4.16 million students, 4.16 million from post secondary and postgraduate programs.
- [84:34]
Tim Pool
So if you get just 5% of that as activists every year, you know, every couple years, you, every few years you get a million new activists in the country. And if they're committed.
- [84:47]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
And they are too.
- [84:48]
Tim Pool
And they are. Yeah, absolutely. If they're committed to things like this, then you're going to have a significant population looking to change the makeup of the country, the political makeup of the country.
- [84:59]
Ian Crossland
I feel like there was an essence of critical censorship theory that seeped in that we sort of maybe glazed over because, okay, in 2010 and 11 and 12, all of a sudden social media started to censor people and there's this backlash of like censorship bad generally across the board. It's not, first of all, censorship itself is neutral. If it's used improperly, it's horrible. If it's used properly, it can protect people from seeing the most egregious, horrib, horrific things, especially young children being exposed to porn or violence or things that you need to really protect young kids from. So the argument is, how dare you censor this book? Censorship is bad. Censor, dude. Just because it looks like a cartoon, just because it's in a book with a little parrot, a little cartoon parrot, doesn't mean it's okay to show people. And you do need censorship. So there's gotta be a balance on the censorship. It's just a general social conversation of what do we censor, censor, how do we censor it? And you know, that's. But it's, it's important to remember that censorship itself is not the problem.
- [85:57]
Ryan Reynolds
I think where we censor is really important. Right? Like censoring at a school is a lot different, I think, than censoring on the Internet. Right. I think censoring social media, especially from a top down, from a government perspective, deciding what's true and not true, I think when you're censoring adults like that, I mean, I can't think of a reason why that's good. That seems just objectively bad to me. But I hear you with like, you know, keeping horrible graphic violence, porn, whatever Certain things out of the eyes of children and out of elementary schools and whatever, that's where I'll bend a little bit on, on my point of view.
- [86:34]
Ian Crossland
Because like the book you were mentioning earlier about how it was showing young kid to do like oral sex or whatever it is, or it just showed a young person doing that. I, I'm on the team of censor that from school. But if they want to sell it at Barnum, you know, bookstores, let them sell it at the bookstore.
- [86:48]
Tim Pool
So maybe this is, maybe this is semantics, but I think that when it comes to what goes into a library. Library or what goes into a school, that's just curation, right? Like you curate the, the information that goes into a school that, that goes into a library. And that's not the same thing as censorship, at least as far as I'm concerned. If you can buy something on Amazon but say like when, when they say, oh, you know, Florida's banning books and censoring books. Florida did no such thing. Florida curated what was actually available in the schools, right? They didn't say that Amazon couldn't sell, sell this book. They didn't say that if you're caught with this book, you'll go to jail. They said these books aren't going into schools. And there's nothing wrong with the state curating what is and is not appropriate or what doesn't, does and does not go into schools based on what they find is and is not appropriate for schools. That's not censorship. That's not book banning.
- [87:39]
Ryan Reynolds
Doesn't that, doesn't that sort of go along the same lines as, as soon as the next president comes in, they just sign the pen and erase all the executive orders, right? I feel, I feel like it could be equally bad if a state had very different view than you and they decided to start censoring the books that you agree with and allow in the bad books. So that's where I think even curation at a school level gets difficult. Because who gets to curate it? Do you get to curate it or do I get to curate it?
- [88:09]
Tim Pool
In my opinion, it should be, it should be something that the parents have a say in, like the parents of the, of the district. And that, that kind of stuff happens.
- [88:17]
Ryan Reynolds
Keep it local.
- [88:17]
Tim Pool
Yeah, that kind of happens. When parents actually go to parent teacher meetings, right? When parents, people go to the pta, the Parent Teacher association, you need to go to your PTA meetings. If you have kids go to your PTA meetings, know what's going on in.
- [88:30]
Ian Crossland
Those schools, you might be Right.
- [88:31]
Zeke Arkham
That. Oh, what were you saying? This is why. This is why I'm. I'm a huge proponent for. I think there should be cameras in classrooms.
- [88:37]
Tim Pool
100%.
- [88:38]
Zeke Arkham
I. I think they should be. If, if you, if your kid is going into a certain classroom and you have no idea what the inside of that classroom looks like, you failed as a parent. Like my. Just me personally, my wife and I, we've been inside outdoors classroom plenty of times. We know her teacher, we know her teacher's views. We know what her teacher is teaching. Fine, well and good. I'm the type to say let's, hey, let's take it a step further. However you want to protect the students, do so. But there should be something, something focused on the teacher so that we know exactly what that teacher is teaching. So at any point, I can pop in, I can replay it, I can look at it and see that the teacher is teaching the curriculum. I can take a look around the classroom, make sure there. There are no crazy flags up. I can take a look around the classroom, make sure there's not, not, you know, kitty litter on the side set, you know, for the kid who thinks that they're a cat. You know, I think there should be all of it there, there. And that's also why I say who you vote for is very important because you don't want this person now saying, you know what? No, I don't want the Bible in there. And no, you can't wear a shirt with, with scripture on it. But you know what? If you want to wear a shirt that's got a graphic picture of, of oral sex on it, go for it. Have at it. You can do whatever you want. Oh, you know what? Little Timmy over there thinks he's a cat. And, and twice a day he's got a go and, and poop in front of everybody. In front of.
- [89:59]
Ryan Reynolds
Is that real?
- [90:00]
Zeke Arkham
I. I believe it is. I believe it is. And why do.
- [90:03]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Why do we have cameras everywhere in the world, in our country, everywhere. Everything that. That's important to us society, except for watching our youth and make sure our.
- [90:12]
Tim Pool
Youth is because of teachers unions. The teachers unions don't want.
- [90:15]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I know why.
- [90:16]
Zeke Arkham
Unions.
- [90:17]
Ryan Reynolds
That's another huge problem. Just break up all the unions. Every union.
- [90:20]
Tim Pool
Nothing good to say about you.
- [90:21]
Zeke Arkham
You were kind.
- [90:22]
Ian Crossland
I think you might be right for Phil about curation versus censorship. I did a quick search on it, and it may be semantic, but generally they're both forms of moderation and that the censorship is more about removing something, whereas curation is deciding what Gets seen. It's kind of like the positive versus the negative aspect of moderation.
- [90:37]
Tim Pool
You can't have every book in every.
- [90:39]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Library, like a synopsis for school program.
- [90:41]
Tim Pool
And again. And you know, it's like if you can order a book and you know, so I saw someone in the chat was complaining about someone's book being unavailable on Amazon and it's like, okay, fair enough. Amazon doesn't want to carry it. That's, you know, I, I would prefer to see books available on Amazon. But does that mean that you can't go to the, the author's website and buy it? Does it mean that you can't go to the publisher's website and buy it? Is it Amazon is, you know, is.
- [91:04]
Ryan Reynolds
It against the law to print it?
- [91:05]
Tim Pool
Exactly. So. And, and again, that's what, to me, that's what I think of when it comes to censorship. Right? The idea that the government says this book, the information in this book is out, outlawed, not, hey, this is inappropriate to put in front of children.
- [91:21]
Ryan Reynolds
What about, what about like the social media example? What about the Twitter files? What about Hunter Biden's laptop? Right. That's sort of curation because you're saying this can't go on a social media platform. You're not saying you're going to go to jail if you say it per se. So that's, you know. Yeah, but little gray area.
- [91:39]
Tim Pool
I think that that because of the goal, that was political, that was politically motivated, I think that that that falls under, even if it's not technically censorship, I think think that it's illegal, it should be illegal for the government to do so. Sorry, go ahead.
- [91:49]
Zeke Arkham
Well, if you look at what Mark Zuckerberg was saying and what the Twitter files were saying, it was basically saying that the Biden administration was saying, if you publish that, we're going to come down on you. So expect your taxes to go up, expect to be investigated, expect to be be called and harassed and everything else like that. To me, that's censorship. To me, that's the government getting involved in private businesses saying, what you're not going to do is publish this about us for, for our own personal gain. And I think that's exactly what the second Amendment was against the government going in and saying, we, you know, we're going to decide what to put out there to the public, first of all. So if you, it's the First Amendment.
- [92:30]
Ian Crossland
I'm sorry, you still need some government censorship like R rated, X rated.
- [92:34]
Zeke Arkham
No, and that's fine because that's, that's that, that I can understand stand. But if the president's son did something and the government now specifically that president's administration comes in and tells a private business, tells you personally, you know what, if you publish that, there's going to be retribution against you. That is a violation, a direct violation of the First Amendment.
- [92:57]
Ian Crossland
I think it was Nazi level censorship. I thought that was egregious. 21st century Joseph Goebbels is looking at.
- [93:02]
Zeke Arkham
That from his grave and going what the. I could have done that.
- [93:05]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
We're self comparing everything to Nazis.
- [93:07]
Ian Crossland
It was just a horrific national social like taking control of the private sector, trying to nationalize the power of the private industry. It was disgusting what they did, what the government did with censorship in that era. It was horrible.
- [93:18]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Why didn't not just have a grasp on everything we do when there have been like 70 million killed by communists in China and stuff. Everything's compared to the.
- [93:26]
Tim Pool
Yeah. And the Commune. The communists are just as good as I know. Banning books and banning stuff because he's a white guy.
- [93:31]
Ian Crossland
Well, the Nazis, it was publicized. What they did was very public. They were very like blatant about it. So we know really well what they were doing.
- [93:38]
Tim Pool
Yeah, the Nazis were very proud of the stuff that they were doing back in. I mean at the time, that type of top down control that was all the rage. Like all over the world. They're like, you know, fdr. There were, there were things written by Adolf Hitler that were praising FDR and the things that FDR had done. Yeah, like, because most of the governments of the world kind of were of the opinion. They're like, hey, we've reached the point where technology is going to usher in the new, the new age and we're going to be able to control everything. And so government knows best. We're the smart people and we should be in charge of this and that and et cetera, et cetera. A lot of people looked at the Soviet Union and said that's the future. That kind of system is the future. There were, you know, Duranty was writing at the New York Times in praise of the Soviet Union Union and, and he was lying through his teeth, but he was like, this is the, I've been to the, to the, the future and it works. I've been there, I've seen it. And the idea of socialism and, and the government providing for all and, and ultimate abundance and stuff, that was something that was, that was all the rage in the first half of the 20th century. And then it turns out that none of it worked. And it just killed millions and millions and millions of people.
- [94:47]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Way more than that guy.
- [94:49]
Tim Pool
So, Serge, you ready to go to super chats, homie?
- [94:52]
Ian Crossland
Serge with the top knot tonight. I don't know if there's a camera on that top.
- [94:55]
Ryan Reynolds
Not.
- [94:55]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
He's very aggressive.
- [94:56]
Ian Crossland
You got your hair pinned up there.
- [94:59]
Tim Pool
That reminds me of. Of a. A character from Dragon. The Dragon Lance novels. Anybody read those when they were a kid?
- [95:04]
Ian Crossland
Yeah, so a bit of it.
- [95:06]
Tim Pool
Which.
- [95:06]
Ian Crossland
Which character is it? Rin.
- [95:08]
Tim Pool
No, Raslin Rasslin. Didn't have the top. Not. It was. He was the. The little one. The. The. The elf dude that had the top knot. I forget his name. The small with the dual wielded the weapon. No, no, no, no. He was. He was a. I forget what he was. He was. They. It was the one that had like the wanderlust that he couldn't stay in one place. I forget. Anyways, we're gonna go to super chats. I'll stop running my face about Dragon Lance and DND stuff.
- [95:31]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Sorry.
- [95:31]
Tim Pool
So, yeah, I mean, look, I'm.
- [95:34]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I played D and D. I started doing Guys, FYI, throwing out there. I've. I've been failing it last couple months, but I did it for a couple of months there. It's fantastic. I was so surprised how these nerds and geeks are. Have fun. It was. It's a good time. D is.
- [95:46]
Tim Pool
It is. It is very fun.
- [95:47]
Ian Crossland
I agree.
- [95:48]
Tim Pool
Polly Puree says first. Yes. Yes, you were.
- [95:52]
Ian Crossland
Good job, Polly.
- [95:53]
Tim Pool
Good job. Shout out. Let's see. Neglectful sausage says Destiny's live stream. Yesterday. He said Elon is a neo Nazi and Neo Nazis can appreciate other cultures and love them and aren't necessarily white supremacist. This country's 50. This counters 50 years of articles on them. He is. He is lying on purpose. He's lying and saying those things because he's trying to misdirect from the fact that he recorded a woman having sex with him without her knowledge and then gave it to his homies, allegedly.
- [96:29]
Ian Crossland
Is that confirmed?
- [96:30]
Tim Pool
There's. There's. Okay, yeah. Allegedly. Dispute about it. Well, it's not. Not really in dispute. There's a pending court case and there are charges. That's felonious activity there.
- [96:39]
Ian Crossland
Stephen, I don't think.
- [96:40]
Tim Pool
What are you doing, Homie?
- [96:41]
Ian Crossland
I don't think El in any way, like National Socialist or Nazi. Like the way he liberated Twitter from the government's control is like nothing that the Nazi. The Nazis would have went in the other direction. They would have capitulated.
- [96:54]
Tim Pool
The left has Been calling Donald Trump a neo Nazi all day for doing things that shrink the size of government, which is completely antithetical to what the National Socialists did. Like maybe like people love to get into arguments about whether the Nazis were actually socialists or were they. They weren't or whatever. Most of the Nazis were socialists before they became National Socialists. They saw that international and global socialism, communism wasn't going to work and they're like, well, we want to go ahead and, and do the socialist stuff, but do it just for the, the German people, just for the white people that are in the Germans, the Aryan race. So they were socialist. They were absolutely top down socialist. You couldn't do what you wanted. You didn't have individual rights. You were. All the stuff you were doing was forced for the, for the fatherland and stuff. They were socialists, but they weren't international socialists. So, you know, but they still wanted the big government that was providing all kinds of things for the right people. Just. They didn't want to provide things for everybody.
- [97:56]
Zeke Arkham
It's such a watered down term because on X I've been called a white supremacist and Nazi before the black face of white supremacy. I'll tell them, listen, I think I'm going to fail the entrance exam. If, if I. No, like the second they see me come in, they better turn around. No, no, no.
- [98:14]
Tim Pool
If you put blue contacts in, you might be able to pass.
- [98:17]
Zeke Arkham
I, I don't know. Like, you know, I think you can see me coming. Why is he here? No, tell him he can't. So, I mean, it's such a watered down term. That is what the left has done to themselves. And now everyone's won it really.
- [98:30]
Tim Pool
It really has.
- [98:31]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
They water everything down.
- [98:33]
Zeke Arkham
Yeah, yeah.
- [98:34]
Tim Pool
I mean, well, they just, they go from, they go from stupid words. They go from zero to Nazi though. Look at what they did to Anna. Anna Kasparian. Like she, she's like, don't call me a birthing person. And they're like, you're a Nazi.
- [98:46]
Ryan Reynolds
I mean, to be fair, I went straight to communist with Kamala.
- [98:48]
Tim Pool
I, well, you know, her dad's a Marxist. You know, her dad is a Marxist. And the things like own slaves, grandfather did well. Really?
- [98:56]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Yeah.
- [98:56]
Tim Pool
And, and statements like we can, we can see what the future is unburdened by what has been or whatever those are, Those are like communist phrases and stuff. So I mean, maybe she's not a full blown communist, but she's. She, you know, talking about price controls, all of these ideas that have been tried by socialist countries. All throughout history that never work, you know, very directionally.
- [99:18]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I might be biased, but I agree with you. You know, I don't know.
- [99:23]
Tim Pool
Yeah, Destiny's a piece of garbage anyways.
- [99:25]
Ryan Reynolds
I'm surprised. There's, like, a audience that watches both shows. Destiny show and this show.
- [99:31]
Ian Crossland
He's been on the show.
- [99:32]
Tim Pool
Well, they're Hate walk. There are hate watchers in every show. You know, I have. I have plenty of followers that don't like me at all.
- [99:38]
Ryan Reynolds
I just. I was with the hate watching.
- [99:40]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [99:40]
Zeke Arkham
I've got guys who can't stand me. Like, I'm like their most hated Twitter account. And when I click. When I click on their accounts, following you, and I'm like, oh, look at that.
- [99:49]
Tim Pool
John Decost. Costanzo says, Phil, it was Tasselhoff barefoot. He was a kender similar to a halfling hobbit. Thank you very much. Yes, it was Tasselhoff. He was. He was absolutely a lot of fun. And if you haven't. If you're in DND and you haven't read the Dragon Lance Dragonlance novels, start with Dragons of. Of Autumn. Twilight. That's the first one. They're. They're really, really cool books. So do that. And then read the. What are you doing down there? Serge is like, no, don't do that nerd crap. Anyways. All right, what do we got here? Some super chats. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
- [100:27]
Ian Crossland
Isn't that Drizzit?
- [100:31]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Yeah. Also, shout out tactically play and Burtman.
- [100:34]
Tim Pool
What's up, Tacty Platty? Yeah. Hal Gailey says, great job taking up the mantle Fill second day in a row. No notification from YouTube IRL. I want the two weeks till Christmas on a poster. Oh, really? The art on a poster? That's a good idea. I mean, look, man, you'll have to talk to Tim about that, but I will put the bug in his ear and. And see what he says.
- [100:54]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
That is a really good idea. All of these skateboards should be on posters.
- [100:57]
Tim Pool
That's actually not a bad idea.
- [100:59]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Yeah. Artwork. People love artwork.
- [101:00]
Tim Pool
Yeah. You know, there you go. Or maybe the two weeks till Christmas.
- [101:04]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Listening, Tim.
- [101:05]
Tim Pool
Maybe the two weeks till Christmas artwork on a skateboard.
- [101:09]
Ian Crossland
Oh, yeah.
- [101:10]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Okay. Yeah, same thing. Artwork. Love it.
- [101:12]
Tim Pool
All right, let's see here. Big7588 says the condoms were about money laundering. Isn't it always about money laundering down there? You know, just get the money in. I. I mean, I don't know if they were stuffing money in the condoms.
- [101:28]
Ryan Reynolds
But, you know, like I said, who owns a condom Business.
- [101:32]
Tim Pool
Yeah, right. Who owns the condom business? Dot Focus says. I'm confused. You guys are speaking as if the 50 mil was truly for condoms. It was obviously alive for something else. I don't, I don't disagree. I just don't have a good theory as to like what it actually was. Was, you know. But again, you know, they, they do seem to be quite crafty and, and making condom bombs seems like something that like they were, you know, interested in doing. I don't know. What do you guys think? Do you think that they were there? They have. Do you have any theories as to what the. If. Was it 50 million in condoms or is that just a cover or What?
- [102:09]
Ryan Reynolds
I mean, 400 condoms per adult male at the 25 cent. A condom price. That doesn't seem real. I guess it probably is for something else. I mean, it is money laundering, right? What. What it was. I have no theory on that.
- [102:22]
Ian Crossland
I mean, senior Biden official dismissed it as a. Calling it a feverish dream. The whole story. This is from the Times of Israel. Yeah, this is from earlier today.
- [102:30]
Ryan Reynolds
A feverish dream that was announced during the White House press press conference.
- [102:34]
Ian Crossland
Thing is a feverish dream that it's not real, apparently. I'm still looking into it. I want to find out where they paid, what company got the money for the comic on that.
- [102:42]
Zeke Arkham
I mean, listen, I know some guys who ran up their body count numbers in college, but 400. I, you know, listen, that's. That's impressive. But yeah, it, that's like actually a great point. It really could be just a money long.
- [102:57]
Ian Crossland
Okay, so they said it's possible the 50 millions put aside for sexual health or something of that nature, which would include gynecology, many other services, but definitely not condoms alone. This is the statement from. I think this is Andrew Miller, the assistant secretary for Israeli Palestinian affairs under former president Joe Biden.
- [103:13]
Tim Pool
Remember, the COVID came from a pangolin or. Or from bat soup.
- [103:18]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
And a thousand miles.
- [103:18]
Tim Pool
That was the story that the Biden administration or the administration wanted us to believe.
- [103:22]
Ryan Reynolds
I love the one theory that they were willing to rule out was the lab theory. Right. That was the only thing that they say it wasn't.
- [103:29]
Tim Pool
Definitely wasn't. The Wuhan lab for infectious disease.
- [103:32]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
We can have a.
- [103:33]
Zeke Arkham
Until it was. Until it was.
- [103:35]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
That is how crazy and light they are. Lied to everyone but everything. That's a whole day's worth of talk.
- [103:41]
Tim Pool
Stan Goodman says, panel, do you think it's a detriment or a strength that the right doesn't march in lockstep like the left usually does. For instance, the H1B debate and Israel, Gaza.
- [103:54]
Ryan Reynolds
Well, I mean I think it's a sign that we're critical and free thinkers. I think it's, it means that we are intelligent. Intelligent. I think it's bad strategy from us versus them perspective, obviously. Right. Like if we're not united and they are, it's going to be easy for them to have numbers on us over and over again.
- [104:12]
Ian Crossland
I think of it as a form of soft power. It's not, it's not overt but it's the way forward. It's the way to create sustainable societies. It can be destroyed, which it's vulnerable.
- [104:22]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
But it's the way forward and it's very healthy. We need to have, we can't all be freaking robots. We can't have are the right wing woke mind virus. We have to bear individuals and have our own thoughts. So it's very healthy for our side, I believe.
- [104:34]
Zeke Arkham
I mean listen, for certain topics do I wish we were a little bit more lockstep and let's all get together and make sure this happens? Sure. But I don't know anyone where I agree with them 100% all the time. So it's like I say, I mean like, like, like you said, I think it shows that we're more critical thinkers, we're more independent thinkers, we're not afraid to call each other out or our own own stuff. And I prefer that than being in a party where you know, hey listen, you're gonna say this and you're gonna say that and you're gonna say this and you're gonna say that. Okay, everybody break. You know, I'd rather have that.
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Tim Pool
I think that, I think overall it's a benefit to the, to the right because they do will find, you know, the. We will find. I feel like it is more likely that we will find the right idea. The, the fine tune it to be able to fine tune the idea ideas. And the only time that I would say that it's actually a negative is when it comes to Congress because the, the margins are very thin. And so I do think that I, I would like to see Congress fall in line behind whatever the, the.
- [105:40]
Ryan Reynolds
Would you do it? Yeah.
- [105:42]
Tim Pool
Would I what?
- [105:42]
Ryan Reynolds
Would you fall in line on an issue that you felt strongly about?
- [105:45]
Tim Pool
Man, I ain't going to.
- [105:46]
Ryan Reynolds
But if you were right. So I would not want to ask anyone who I vote to represent me. I would not want anyone that spineless in office to be honest. I wish that the left and the right all Voted independently based on what they actually believe. That's the country I want to live in. I, like you, will not tell me that because I'm a member of the Republican Party that I need to feel a certain way on a certain issue. I just won't do it.
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Tim Pool
I think that it depends on the context that you're in. So right now the, the margin, the, the actual, the lead that the Republicans have is very narrow and very, it doesn't take very many Republicans dissenting to, to sideline a bill. And considering the fact that again, the President won the popular vote, he won the Electoral College, we have the, both the Senate and the House, as well as the Supreme Court. And if you look at the direction the country went in, the whole country shifted, right? There was not one, one, there was not one county that flipped to the left, not one. Kamala Harris picked up zero counties. So because of the context, I do think that it's like, hey, you should probably fall in line now if things were different, if the margins were bigger or if there, if there was not a clear, clear shift from the Republican, from the, the, the country to say we want to see more right leaning policies, we're sick of the things the Democrats have been doing. If that were not the case, then I would think that your, your arg compelling. But I think because of the context that we're in, I would like to see Republicans kind of fall in line and say, look, even if I'm not in love with this, I think that Donald Trump has a mandate. The American people have made it clear that they want to, to move away from the policies of the left. And we need to get policies that are, that are, that are going to make the, the, the voting public happy. We're going to, we need to make those happen.
- [107:37]
Zeke Arkham
So this is also why, A, I think we should have term limits because it would get rid of a lot of the selfish interest interests. And then B, you have to also understand when you are elected to this position, it's no longer about you and what you think. You have to go back to your constituents, maybe say, hey, listen, I didn't like this. I'm not in love with this matter of fact, I might hate it, but you all put me in a position to vote on this. And like you said, Phil, this is the direction the country is going in. These are the mandates that are in. And you know what, if it's for the comic and good and it's for the betterment of the country, but however I feel on it, we're Gonna go.
- [108:15]
Ryan Reynolds
For it subjective, though, if it's for the betterment of the country. Right. Issue by issue.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Well, you're representative of your people who voted for you.
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Tim Pool
And for one more thing, remember, we. Gone are the days that there are multiple bills that get passed. We're going to get two bills, we're gonna get an omnibus bill, and we're probably gonna get an immigration bill, and that those are the only bills. And everyone's gonna stuff all kinds of po pork in them. So if the, if the Republicans want to get these bills passed, they're going to have to vote yes for a bill that has a boatload of stuff that they don't want.
- [108:47]
Ryan Reynolds
Can we get, can we get the next executive order to be no more omnibus bills? No more. Like, please.
- [108:53]
Tim Pool
Only, only if we can, like if we can get magic to. Everyone gets to have a magic pony. Like, we live in a, in the real world and the situation is we don't have the votes to be able to do those kind of things. So if you want to get anything passed, like, if you want to get changes to the government passed, the bill that's going to come up is going to have garbage in it, and it's going to have more garbage than anyone's comfortable with, and it's going to have enough garbage where the, the, the, your opponent, when, when it comes time for you to go back home and, and try to raise money and run, your opponent's going to say, look at what he passed. He passed this. He voted yes on this. He voted yes. Yes on this because it was in an omnibus bill. But the reason that you're going to vote yes on that is because it's going to have all the stuff you want. And if you want to get a bill that has all the stuff you want to pass, that means the Democrats are going to say, I see an opportunity to stuff my garbage in here, too. So you. Because of the fact that it's omnibus bills, and this is not an endorsement, there's probably. Chat's probably going to lose their mind. I'm not saying that I like this. I'm talking about the reality of the way that the sausage is made in D.C. if you want to get things like border security passed, if you want to get things like the wall funded, if you want to get these things, if you want to make sure that we have the ability to, to get everybody that's here illegally out and make sure they have the funding to be able to do that and possibly prevent those things from becoming a problem next year. Then you're going to pass a bill that has garbage in it. You're going to have to take the bitter medicine along with the stuff that you want and there's no way around it.
- [110:22]
Ryan Reynolds
I want to imagine Pony, it's fine.
- [110:25]
Tim Pool
To want that, but I'm telling you the conditions that we live in.
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Zeke Arkham
Look, look at what happened during the debate. What was Kamala Harris's main thing she used against Trump? Oh, he didn't want the border bill. He called his, he called his friends and told them not to vote for this bill. She didn't bring up the fact that there was so much pork stuffed in the same bill that the thing could have gone on a pizza and had toppings on it. No, she talked about he didn't want the border security bill.
- [110:53]
Tim Pool
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Zeke Arkham
And, and when the Democrat, when the left all talked about it, they made it seem as if the, the Republicans in Congress, they didn't want border security, they don't want more funding. You're making my argument. No, listen, I agree with you, I agree with you in, in, in fundamentally where I think every bill should be one page, a paragraph, maybe two at most. But we should be able to read the bill and know what's on it.
- [111:47]
Ryan Reynolds
If my 6 year old can't read it, it shouldn't be a bill. In fact, I think all laws should be.
- [111:50]
Tim Pool
Listen, listen, I shoulda, coulda, woulda. I love all the things you're saying. I agree with it. But we live in a executive order, baby. We live in.
- [111:57]
Ryan Reynolds
We couldn't deport people two weeks ago. Now we can.
- [112:00]
Tim Pool
Listen, you can make the executive order, but you, it has to be a law that's going to be able to stand. So we got to keep going though. We got, we got more super chats just because I'm free. Says day two of telling everyone to call your reps and send senators. We need cash. Tulsi and RFK Jr approved. Also, HB 38 is a national constitutional carry law. Let's make 20, 25 our year and hold our representatives feet to the fire and get past what we can. I love it, I love it, I love it. I think it's gonna die. But call your representatives and get, because of all the stuff that I just went through, like there's not going to be single bills, but if you can get that stuffed into the Omni omnibus, I'm there with you. That's a possibility. So if we can get the, if we can get that, that bill stuffed into the omnibus that everybody's going to want to pass, then we could see something happen. But it's not going to pass on its own. And the only reason it's not going to pass on its own is because nobody wants to.
- [112:53]
Ryan Reynolds
I think that's a root problem with our country. The fact that we, that we, that if, if you're going to pass this, I'm going to pass this, then we just end up with a bunch of.
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Tim Pool
I couldn't agree with you more, but that's. That it doesn't change the situation the, that we have. Like, I agree, like, again, I, none of what I said is, is something that I'm happy about, but I'm just talking about the reality of getting bills passed in, in D.C. right now, especially with the very narrow, the very narrow majority we have. It's not. If we had, you know, if we had 300 Republicans in the House and 65 in the Senate, we could change the whole country.
- [113:31]
Ian Crossland
Absolutely.
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Tim Pool
Absolutely do it. Do. And, and believe me, if we can get those people in, I, I'm here for it. Absolutely. I want it, but we don't have that.
- [113:40]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Benny, I love your, I love your enthusiasm and your idea. But like, was Phil saying, bro, we don't, it speaks reality.
- [113:47]
Ryan Reynolds
We got a bull in the China shop, man. Let them break some stuff. That's what I'm saying.
- [113:52]
Zeke Arkham
It's like, it's like, it's like term limits. It's like term limits. Term limits would solve a ton of problem we have. But, but these elected officials aren't going to vote to restrict themselves. So it's up to the people. But with that said, in the perfect world, hey, listen, yeah, we'd have term limits, we'd have single item bills that came out and we'd be able to say, hey, listen, I like that, I don't like that. I like that. I don't like that. And you know what? My representatives are going to vote the way I want them to do, but we don't live in the perfect world. We got to live in the real world. And this is what it is.
- [114:22]
Tim Pool
Penny. There's a method to get exactly what you, you want. It's an Article 5 convention of states. You want to go around Washington D.C. go ahead and, and come up with all the votes you need to get an article, Article 5 Convention of States and we can amend the constitution. And if D.C. doesn't like it, they can S a D because that's just the article 5 says. This is what you're going to do. You need 2/3 of the states to agree. You know, have the, have the convention, get the amendments you want, you want term limits, you can put that into the Constitution, but you need to have an Article 5 and you, that's the only way you can circumvent D.C. well.
- [114:55]
Ryan Reynolds
Like six months ago, I avoided politics like the plague. By next year, I'll be flipping California.
- [115:00]
Tim Pool
There you go.
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Ryan Reynolds
You know, I'm on.
- [115:02]
Tim Pool
I'm, I'm with you man. I'm with you. Extant man says I'm a, I'm a recently retired 33 year old federal employee. I asked many times to be allowed to work from home. They asked, how are you going to do that? You're an air traffic controller. Not all feds are useless, Phil. Fair enough. But, but does do, did the air traffic controllers have to be federally? Does it have to be feds? I mean, could it be private? And I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not the guy.
- [115:30]
Ryan Reynolds
That'S saying they talked about the airport security privatizing that.
- [115:33]
Tim Pool
I mean, you know, oh, things are all right.
- [115:36]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Hopefully that gentleman's mental health is fine because I hear about air controllers, you know, s rate is very high, so I hope he's okay.
- [115:44]
Tim Pool
Yeah, Mark Connolly says trades are underappreciated. I'm a plant operations manager at a hospital system in rural South Dakota, Georgia. We start maintenance technicians out at $25 an hour in very rural areas. Very good money for our area. That's true. You know, and I got love for the trades and I think that, I think that Gen Millennials and, and Gen Z have been done a significant disservice by not being told, hey look, this is a great way for you to earn a living.
- [116:13]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
They are now. They are now, thankfully. I, I'll, I, I would love to preach that message more because I've been doing it for like last 15f years and it's a beautiful trait. It's good money, it's good people. You learn things Yo, I had a water leak over the weekend and I was able to do that stuff myself. So it's. So it's. So it's great. It's useful as knowledge. You know, I'm the family electrician. I'm the family construction guy. They. Anything they need to hit me up and they give me like pizza and beer. So I love it.
- [116:39]
Ryan Reynolds
I think it's the straightest path to starting your own business too. If you get a college degree, starting a business is hard, but if you start by doing trades and then you just like hire someone to help you hire another guy. Such a straight, straight path.
- [116:51]
Tim Pool
Yep. Cloth Swiss says, as a Gen X, I'm disgusted by the weakness of the youth of this nation. Job roles sit empty because the youth won't step up. Their failure leads to me making more money. Great for you. But I will say that the, the idea that it's hard to get people to do the job, like, that's a real thing. That's something that Tim has talked about a bunch. Getting, getting people to actually do work and stuff like that. Stuff. I've had a bunch of problems up in New Hampshire trying to get people to come and do projects that I have at my, my house. And, and that is fair and it's real. You know, when you, you, you want someone that's skilled, you don't want someone that's like, you know, just going to be like, yeah, I can come and do it. I personally want someone that's bonded and insured because I want to make sure that I know that the work is going to be done properly. And, and, and so it's, it's not super easy to find people that are, are available and, you know, that are willing to go out of the way to, to come to a place like my place in New Hampshire that's in the woods.
- [117:48]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
That's so whack. How do people not want to make money? Like, you have a job, you have the skills, you, you can do it. But how do you not, how do they not want to come across this too much?
- [117:57]
Tim Pool
All the guys that I talk to, they're like, well, you know, I'm tied up, so blah, blah, blah. It's gonna, I'll get out there. Maybe, like, if you want to start the project next year is the kind of stuff that I get.
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Ian Crossland
It sounds like there's a lot of competition then that the really good people get booked out and that there's a lot of, like, mediocre people that are available. So it's an opportunity for you to become really good at something like that.
- [118:16]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I was doing excellent on Craigslist when I first state. State of Pennsylvania as a welfare. Welfare office. Working from home and you know, Covid, which, you know, which I can represent. But I was. I was making, well, decent cash out inside doing electrical work and people hit me up left and right. So it's like you just got to do it. He's got to know how to do it and be licensed, of course, as well.
- [118:34]
Tim Pool
Justice Gypsy says please send positive vibes and prayers in remembrance of my dog Mishka. We just had to put him down to stop his suffering Sunday. I'm sorry to hear. I am the biggest dog person that you're ever going to meet. Like, I've never met a dog I don't like. Like, they're. I'm. I'm a huge dog fan and, and it's a terrible thing when. When it's time for them to. To move on. It's. They're. They're human beings owe dogs, right? Like, we created dogs. They. They. They were wolves. And then we created dogs by having them, you know, breeding them to be certain ways. So human beings have a debt to dogs and so we have to take care of them. And to be honest with you, dogs bring so much joy to so many people. Like, it's. It's. It's rough when they go.
- [119:22]
Zeke Arkham
So, you know, just a side story, my wife and I adopted a dog about four years ago that had been abused. And she didn't trust me at first because I guess I looked like the person who was abusing her. And it took me a while just for her to be comfortable with me. And now she's. She's very comfortable with me. She lays on me. She. And it's the. It's one of the greatest feelings of the world.
- [119:46]
Tim Pool
Yeah, it is. It is. So my. My condolences from. From all of us here. So Whisco Luffy says grandma passed last Monday. Lifelong Dem voted Trump thanking her for planting the tree she wouldn't see the shade of. Oh, man. R.P.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Grandma.
- [120:06]
Tim Pool
Hey, can you find a decent one that's not going to make us to end on here? So, Serge, Rebel Without a Cause. I heard that ATR used to open for Condom Bombs. Hey, I swear to God that. That, like, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a punk band's name. That sounds like a great punk band's name.
- [120:26]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Condom Bombs.
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Tim Pool
Condom Bombs.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Yeah.
- [120:28]
Zeke Arkham
Someone trademark that. That's gonna be great.
- [120:30]
Tim Pool
I'm not. I'm not really A fan of punk rock, but Condom Bombs is definitely a good a good punk band name. Dor Tannen says this has nothing to do with any. Anything but croissant is the best bread for roast beef sandwiches and I will fight over it. Look man, you are not going to catch me dissing croissants. They are delicious. They are absolutely delicious. So I think now is the time that you should smash the like button. Share the show with your friends, go to timcast.com become a member and we're gonna go ahead and wrap things up. So thank you guys for coming. I appreciate it. You guys gonna go ahead and give tell people where they can find you?
- [121:08]
Ryan Reynolds
Yeah, my pleasure. I'm penny 2x on x is where you can find me. I also have a YouTube channel, penny2x. Love to see you guys there.
- [121:17]
Zeke Arkham
Yeah, you can find me over on X. That's my main trash talking spot. Zeke Arkham Z E E K A R K H A M. I'm also on Instagram, same handle. And if you want to engage in some fooly wang. You want to trash talk some people, you want to get some people pissed off off or you just want to think. Sometimes I rhyme slow, sometimes I rhyme quick. Go for it.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Oh, what's up guys? Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Here, your friendly friend. I'm so close to 100k followers on X. Nearly 85 000. So we're getting there. Follow me on X. Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
- [121:51]
Ian Crossland
I'm very fortunate to be a part of these conversations. You gotta sometimes I'll watch this show when I'm not on and just want to respond. So it's thank you guys for coming and this incredible send super chats.
- [122:00]
Tim Pool
Like there have been times where I'll be, I'll be driving and I'll text Serge, go tell them this or whatever.
- [122:05]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
It's a I, I, I actually spend money. You send text.
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Ryan Reynolds
Yeah, I'll take serious extra super chat.
- [122:12]
Ian Crossland
Truly.
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Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
No, I was going to say I want to shout out Chris and Sarah. They just had a baby. They work here.
- [122:17]
Tim Pool
Oh yes.
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Ian Crossland
They're beautiful people.
- [122:18]
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
And these had a newborn child, beautiful little baby. So I just wanted to shout them out.
- [122:22]
Ian Crossland
Nice work guys. Well, I'm at Ian Crossland. Follow me and I'll see you later at Ian Crossland. That's where you get me.
- [122:27]
Tim Pool
I am Phil. That remains on Twix. I'm Phil. It remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. It's a big week for us. We are about to release our 10th record. Comes out Friday. Friday. It's called Anti Fragile. Go to Spotify and Pre Save right now if you want to check out some of the songs. You can listen to Forever Cold, Let you go, no Tomorrow and Divine. They're available on YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and Deezer. The left lane is for crime and we will see you tomorrow.