TRUMP HAS SIGNED THE IRAN WAR DEAL IN VERSAILLES w/ Steven Al Ebadi

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Timcast IRL Summary – “TRUMP HAS SIGNED THE IRAN WAR DEAL IN VERSAILLES w/ Steven Al Ebadi”

Episode Date: June 18, 2026
Host: Tim Pool (A), w/ Guests: Steven Al Ebadi (B), Phil Labonte (C), Ian Crossland (D), Carter Banks (D/C at times)

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Episode Overview

This marathon episode dives headlong into major developments in US foreign policy—most notably Trump’s surprising Iran peace deal at Versailles. Host Tim Pool and his panel, with expert insights from former intelligence officer Steven Al Ebadi, unpack the implications of the new US-Iran memorandum, what it means for the Middle East, its impact on global energy and China, and the shifting balance of world power. They also veer into issues of tech censorship, the administrative deep state, US internal divisions, nuclear weapons realities, the coming AI/alien disclosure discourse, and more—with the show’s trademark no-holds-barred, irreverent tone.

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1. The Trump-Iran Peace Deal at Versailles

(00:00–11:08)

• Historic Signing: Trump has “personally signed” a ceasefire and memorandum of understanding with Iran at Versailles, days earlier than expected ([00:00]).

• Political Reactions:

  • Democrats: Calling it a “surrender,” withholding FISA support unless certain Republican nominations are pulled.
  • Neocons / Pro-Israel Factions: Furious due to implications for Israeli security and Lebanon.
  • Broader Public/Markets: Relieved—gas prices are falling, US military drawdown imminent, hope for end to regional hostilities.

  “Democrats are off, they're calling it a surrender... neocons are off because it negatively impacts Israel. Everybody else is pretty happy…” —Tim, [00:04]

• Deal Details/Immediate Outcomes:

  • Mutual ceasefire, respect for sovereignty (especially in Lebanon)
  • Opening of Straits; end of naval blockade (phased over 30 days)
  • 60-day interim for negotiating the final deal
  • $300 billion reconstruction plan for Iran, to be worked out
  • US oil waivers, release of Iranian assets
  • Iran keeps nuclear program status quo; US halts new sanctions/military buildup
  • UN Security Council endorsement planned

• Geopolitical Ramifications: The deal increases friction with Israel, realigns oil flows to Europe (halts China’s cheap Iranian supply), and may squeeze Russian oil exports as well ([11:08]).

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2. Energy Geopolitics: Choking China, Weakening Russia

(11:08–20:36)

• Intelligence Perspective (Steven Al Ebadi):

  • The war’s “real” motive was to strangle China’s access to cheap Iranian oil—critical for its rise and technological leap ([18:15]).
  • China had been getting Iranian oil for as low as $5/barrel because of sanctions, accounting for up to 95% of Iran's exports.
  • Shifts in oil markets will hurt both Russia and China and redirect Iranian oil to Europe.
  • Venezuela sanctions had similar aims.

  “This entire war was planned in 2024 during the Biden admin...they were trying to choke China from their oil energy supply...” —Steven, [11:20] “China was buying about 95% of the Iranian oil...energy is dirt cheap for them.” —Steven, [18:48]

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3. Is US-China War Inevitable?

(12:56–24:28)

• Predictions:

  • Steven makes the bold claim: “2029, we'll end up in an actual kinetic war with [China].” ([20:39])
  • Tim and others debate “Thucydides Trap” dynamics—rising China vs existing US power.
  • Skepticism from Ian, but Steven insists US elites will never allow China to eclipse US power.

  “We will have to [fight], it’s inevitable… they are going to surpass us as the number one global power, and we won’t let that happen.” —Steven, [21:08] “The funny thing about war: we’re basically at war all the time, nonstop. It’s just what we’re willing to admit.” —Tim, [13:36]

• Cyber and Industrial Security:

  • China is already waging war through cyberattacks, espionage, industry infiltration.

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4. US Bureaucratic Dysfunction & the Intelligence Community

(54:00–61:28)

• Systemic Weaknesses Exposed:

  • Steven recounts his Army intelligence career and firing after whistleblowing on broken (“money scheme”) US military procurement for Ukraine.
  • Deep state inertia, ideological left-wing legal bureaucracy blocks reform.
  • CIA/FBI/DOJ hampered by ideological capture; legal advisors wield outsized power preventing “America First” governance.

  “If I was actually advising Trump when they first took over, I would have gotten rid of all the lawyers within the government…” —Steven, [56:04] “We had literally commies...on their desk and cubicles and nobody would say anything.” —Steven, [53:10]

• Fears of Civil Conflict:

  • Steven warns of “very possible” civil war in the US, worries about emigrating.

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5. Internal Security: Foreign Influence and Domestic Unrest

(50:49–56:55)

• Foreign Agitation: Reports of non-US nationals leading violent plots (UFC event attack); FBI/DOJ overwhelmed.
• Antifa, Far-Left Groups: Discussed as “foreign terrorists,” with worries of potential Chinese-backed internal uprisings if war comes.
• “Flood the Bureaucracy”: Steven’s advice: conservatives/patriots should enter government service to offset ideological capture.

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6. Nuclear Weapons, Mutually Assured Destruction, and Modern Warfare

(24:28–41:42)

• Debate over Use of Nukes:

  • Tim poses: Why has US (or anyone) never used tactical low-yield nuclear weapons in these conflicts?
  • Panel unpacks ideas of “nuclear taboo,” international repercussions, and the politics of postwar occupation.
  • Steven and others point out that modern smaller nukes exist, but the stigma ("they use nukes") is the real deterrent—not always simple MAD logic.

  “Using a nuclear bomb, the rest of the world is going to say they used nukes... downstream effects: political disaster.” —Phil, [29:12–29:23]

• Russian/Chinese Hypersonic Threats

  • US playing catchup; Iron Dome won’t stop Chinese/Russian glide vehicle missiles.
  • Rumors of “rods from God” and advanced orbital weapons (satirical film references, but with real-world parallels).

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7. Tech Censorship, Deep State, and Cultural Psyops

(99:00–104:02)

• Joe Rogan Under Fire:

  • Revealed: “multiple U.S. presidents” and world leaders pressured Spotify to deplatform him over “vaccine misinformation.”
  • Tim notes: actual data now supports Rogan’s original, then-controversial, views on COVID, which were suppressed/censored.

  “I can't even talk about it, but there was Presidents involved and former presidents involved. They were contacting Spotify... Oh, yeah. Trying to get me removed for vaccine misinformation, I imagine. And it turned out to be right. All of it.” —Joe Rogan, cited by Tim, [99:56]

• Andrew Tate Allegations:

  • Steven: “trafficking” accusations were “cooked up by a certain government...”
  • Broader worry: governments use criminal law and tech platforms to silence dissent and independent media.

• COVID-19 as “Test Run”:

  • Steven: “I believe it was a targeted operation... a successful test run on how compliant people can be.” ([102:47])
  • Tim mentions theory that AI could be orchestrating such test runs.

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8. Generational Divide, Radicalization, and the Left

(62:10–72:57)

• Young Radicals:

  • Tim is concerned about a new generation “ideologically indoctrinated” to hate Trump and America, increasingly willing to use violence.
  • Steven: tracks these groups; leaders are “trust fund kids” exploiting outrage for power.

• Left-wing Capture of Protest Movements:

  • Tim recounts how libertarians and conservatives were pushed aside at Occupy Wall Street, with funded Marxists seizing control (“anticapitalista” chants) ([73:00–77:59]).
  • Domestic groups coordinate via encrypted and private chat apps.

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9. Aliens, AI, and “Disclosure Fervor”

(80:24–90:56)

• Kalshi Market on Alien Disclosure:

  • Active prediction market betting the US government will confirm “aliens exist” before 2029.
  • Panel skeptically debates what counts as “confirmation,” with Steven predicting “crafted, manipulative” political language could be used to simulate a revelation without real proof.

• Physics and Impossibility of Interstellar Aliens

  • Phil: “It’s probable that there is other life out there...but crossing those distances? Not likely at all.” ([88:26])
  • Tim: Warns against assuming our “primitive technology” is the cosmic limit.

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10. US Government Security, Secrecy, and Bureaucrat Comedy

(93:24–109:44)

• SCIF/Compartmentalization:

  • Steven gives inside look at top secret digital security, clearances, compartmented access: “You can have a top secret clearance but not access everything. It’s need-to-know.” ([95:21])

• Classified Lunch Orders and Top Secret Insults:

  • Amusing anecdotes about people sending team lunch invites as top-secret emails and using classified levels to rib coworkers ([109:02]).

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11. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Deep State Inertia:

  “They had literally commies...on their desk and cubicles and nobody would say anything.” (Steven, [53:10])

• On Civil War Potential:

  “It worries me to the point where I thought about relocating elsewhere.” (Steven, [61:29])

• On Young Radicals:

  “A generation raised on being told Trump must be stopped by any means necessary.” (Tim, [62:10])

• On "Rigged" Elections and Bureaucratic Power:

  “You can set the laws up in a way that only one party can win…just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s legitimate.” (Phil, [68:45])

• On COVID as Power Play:

  “It was a very successful test run. Now they know where they at.” (Steven, [103:22])

• Conspiratorial Banter:

  • Flat Earth, anti-gravity, “rods from God,” mind-control weather manipulation (Ian, [116:16]), and finger marks in Iraq as a more honest voting system than the US ([115:05]).

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12. Notable Timestamps

• 00:00–06:30 – Trump/Iran deal details, US political fallout
• 11:08–21:08 – Oil flows, China, and geostrategy
• 20:39–24:28 – War with China “by 2029” prediction
• 41:31–47:19 – Global power struggle, Trump vs the “globalist” elite
• 54:00–56:04 – Bureaucratic dysfunction, legal strangleholds
• 61:29–66:55 – US civil unrest, advice to “flood the bureaucracy”
• 80:24–90:11 – Alien disclosure betting, physics of interstellar travel
• 99:57–104:02 – Joe Rogan, US presidents and global censorship

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13. Closing Thoughts

The conversation blends world-historic policy events with a bleak, sometimes tongue-in-cheek take on US government dysfunction, threats at home and abroad, and epic generational/cultural divides. Steven Al Ebadi’s insider perspectives anchor the discussion, providing valuable firsthand views on military/Intel, global energy war, and the “deep state.” Whether you buy the predictions of war with China or the government staging an imminent alien reveal, this episode captures the strangeness and stakes of a pivotal moment.

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Panel Socials:

• Steven Al Ebadi (Twitter/X: @aladdin1983, “double l double d”)
• Tim Pool (@Timcast)
• Phil Labonte (All That Remains)
• Carter Banks (Trash House Records)
• Ian Crossland (@IanCrossland)

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For more: The hosts sign off and move to the “uncensored” aftershow on Rumble, promising even spicier content to follow.

Transcript

[A]

The initial deal is done. Donald Trump has personally signed the Iran deal and in Versailles and I'm hoping it holds. Now the funny thing is Democrats are off, they're calling it a surrender and neocons are off because it negatively impacts Israel. Everybody else is pretty happy to see that the war is going to end, that we're going to bring our military back, the straits can be opening up, that gas prices are going down. So all in all, I'd say pretty dang good news on the foreign, foreign policy front. Hopefully this holds. This deal was supposed to be signed Friday. I guess they signed it now in Versailles. It's opening up 60 days of long term negotiations. Hopefully those 60 days go well. But I don't, I, I can't imagine at this point with Trump saying he's calling back the, the Navy and the military, that they would actually extend this conflict. Plus the midterms are coming up, so he knew at some point he'd have to pull things back and maybe we got the full details of what's called the Memorandum of Understanding, the initial deal, and we'll be going through all of that. But Trump at 3:54 in the morning went nuclear on Democrats, off that he cuts this deal. Democrats are like, we're not going to give you FISA unless Bill Pulte is polled as acting the nit, take away that nomination. So the Republicans agree. Trump says, fine, nominate somebody else. And other Democrats are saying, well, we're still not going to nominate your guy and we're still not going to give you what you want. So Trump said, that's it, we're done. No, Bill Pulte's back, I'm done playing these games. And that's exactly what he should have done. Stop playing these games. The funny thing is though, who needs FISA like Trump does? I don't know. The Democrats in Congress want fisa. It's so weird, isn't it? Trump blocking the FISA bill which would allow the executive branch under him to engage in foreign surveillance. He's, who's he, who's he, who's he blackmail? Like who's, who's, who's he leveraging against himself makes you wonder about who is currently active in the U.S. government. And it makes it, it makes me think that the deep state still very much there and Trump knows it. And he's basically telling them, you're not gonna be able to use fisa. I'm not gonna let it happen. Wild story. We'll talk about that. A bunch of other great stuff. Joe Rogan revealed that at the time, current and past presidents were trying to get Spotify to ban his show and shut him down because of his. Now that we're not. What I would say now, now correct, or at the time always correct opinions on vaccines. Very, very interesting stuff to see. Where we've, we've, we've come out in terms of culture, so we're gonna get into all of that. My friends, before we do, we got a great sponsor for you. 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I also want to just shout out, guys, we sold out of the no red coats board. That's the one depicting Ian as a red coat getting massacred by American patriots. We also sold out of our Patriot rooster, which is a gigantic, unbelievably ripped rooster riding on a horse. We do still have, I think a dozen or so of the boonies America 250 boards. And you are. There's 50 of these, 55 total because five are special limited edition. They're all limited edition, but they're special gold, black and gold special edition serialized boards. One of, there's, there's, there's, there's five and you can get one of these numbered boards. Same is true for all the boards. They've all got the special limited edition serialized. So check out boonies hq.com store. Don't forget to also smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight, talk about this and so much more is Stephen El Abadi.

[B]

Hey, how you guys doing?

[A]

Doing well. Who are you, sir? What do you do?

[B]

I'm a former intelligence officer, also contractor. Started my career with the intelligence community, special operations. And as a contractor, as a linguist in Iraq. Got my special immigration visa after some crazy stuff.

[A]

And you've basically been everywhere. You were, you obviously, Iraq, of course, but you were also.

[B]

Yeah, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, a few other countries. And my last assignment, when I was an intel officer for the Army CI Command, I was actually the senior political advisor for the entire Ukraine mission.

[A]

Wow. We were talking a bit about this before the show, but you have tremendous insights into the current Iran situation, the war. I do, yeah. What's been going and why it's been happening as well as some of these other conflicts. So it's fantastic to have you here on the most auspicious of days, the day that Trump signs mou. Here you are. You can give us the breakdown on what's been going on. So good to have you.

[B]

Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yep. Ian isn't first time. First time on live podcast, by the way.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yes. Wow.

[C]

Right on.

[A]

And you've got some other crazy stories, too. Let's get into everything.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

Yeah. Ian is in fact alive. He survived the revolution. He's here.

[D]

I usually do. Hi, everybody.

[A]

Happy to be back.

[B]

Phil Abonti, Talk me.

[C]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Abonti. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. What's up, Carter?

[B]

What up, Phil?

[D]

Let's get into it, man.

[B]

I can't wait to.

[A]

Here's a story from FOX News. Trump personally signs Iran deal at Versailles. In major diplomatic breakthrough, President Donald Trump personally signed the US Iran memorandum of understanding. During a dinner at the palace of Versailles, Iranian President Massoud Pezeshkian also signed the agreement. And you know, very, very good news. We thought it was going to be on Friday, but French reporters were asking the President, he says it's signed. We signed it in Versailles. We just signed it. Absolutely tremendous. And we do have the, the list here from cnn. We'll give you the quick break, then I'll try to read this very quickly. 14 points. And of course there's a lot of people who are angry. The pro Israel faction here in this country are very, very upset over this deal, which is stupid, but we are the United States, not Israel. So I don't care one the US and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their current allies, they're signing the MOU to declare an immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war, any military operation against each other and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination of the war on all fronts, including notice how it says Lebanon like 27 times. Just like we're making sure this is about Israel. They're saying the US and Iran undertake to respect each other's sovereignty. We get it. They say they commit to negotiating over 60 days. Immediately upon the signing of the MOU, the US will begin the removal of its naval blockade and any disturbances or impediments against Iran and will fully end the naval blockade within 30 days. During this pyramid period. Pyramid the the traffic of vessels will be in proportion to the numbers of pre war traffic being restored. Upon signing, Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf. Obviously because they expect to have a deal before the 60 days. So this is just a 60 day interim deal. The US undertakes the regional partners to develop a definitive mutually agreed plan with at least 300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized as part of a final deal within 60 days. All required licenses, waivers and permissions needed for the relevant financial transactions will be granted. The next one is that there will be a security resolutions, blah blah blah, agreed upon schedule for the deal, yada yada yada. We get it. 8 is basically the same thing. Stockpiled enriched material. They're going to negotiate how they deal with this stuff. We get it. The US and Iran acknowledge the critical importance of the nuclear issues above mentioned. They express their intention to immediately address these issues in negotiations. Pending the final deal, the US and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree to maintain the status quo. Iran will maintain its current status quo of its nuclear program and the US Will not impose any new sanctions and will not deploy additional forces in the region. The U.S. undertakes the immediate upon signing of the MOU and until the termination of sanctions, the U.S. department of treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives and all associated services. The US Undertakes to make fully available frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Upon the implementation of this MoU, the US and Iran agree that an executive mechanism will be established to monitor the successful implementation. After it's signed, beginning of all these paragraphs, blah blah, the US and Iran will start negotiations. 14 is the final deal will be endorsed by a binding UN Security Council resolution. So I think it's. This is great. And I think liberals are losing their minds for fake reasons. I think they're angry about everything no matter what happens. I think the pro Israel crowd is angry because Iran basically used the Lebanon conflict as leverage with the United States. Thus Israel is now constrained based on their alliance with the United States. I believe that the bigger picture here is that Trump wiped out all of the long standing leadership of Iran. Anything after this is a new government with new negotiations. So do I. Am I happy that the war started?

[C]

No.

[A]

But I think this is a good thing because obviously the gas prices is a problem. However, I will say that I think they dragged out as long as possible because they wanted to choke out China, damage OPEC and position the United States as one of the largest oil exporters in the world.

[C]

It.

[B]

I don't, I don't, I don't know

[D]

if I'm feeling cynical today, but this is just like on Friday when Israel hits, hits Lebanon again and Iran fires missiles back. And then all of a sudden we realize, yep, nothing changed.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

What is that? That that's a possibility. And because obviously the Israelis are not happy. They're the, I guess the, the most dissatisfied with this deal. But again you have to look at the bigger picture. The bigger picture here. This we can dive into a little bit more deep into this. This is actually probably not the best outcome. This entire war was planned in 2024 during the Biden admin. And basically they were trying to choke China from their oil energy supply about at least 75% and that's why Venezuela happened And this one actually took place as well. And I bet you this deal is going to redirect Iran, majority of Iran's oil into Europe, because that's going to be affecting Russia as well, because Russia, if you guys know they're still selling their oil indirectly to Europe. So this is two birds in one stone. It's going to hurt Russia and it's going to hurt China. And I believe the bigger picture here, and also positive. The bigger picture here is at some point we're going to have to engage with China in more aggressive way.

[A]

You mean war?

[B]

Yeah, basically.

[A]

So you think the prospect of war with China is increasing?

[B]

Yes, I.

[A]

You know, when, when, when she said, hopefully we can avoid Thucydides trap, you know, he's basically saying, telling the US to surrender. He's saying, back down, you've lost, we're taking over and we don't want war. That's what he said.

[B]

Yeah. And from the labor perspective and production, China is actually obviously dominating. And at some point we're going to have to cut that off, otherwise they're going to surpass us. And I think we're looking at maybe 20, 29.

[A]

2029 war with China.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, to be fair, the funny thing about war is that we're basically at war all the time, nonstop. It's just what we're willing to admit. You know, China's been launching cyberattacks against the US For a long time. They've been stealing our ip, they've been hiring spies. We had a mayor in California was a spy for China. All this stuff going on for decades.

[B]

We have, we have an entire division at DIA dedicated. It's a. It's called, called scrim, Supply Chain Risk Management. Like an entire division of analyst, intelligence analysts actually vetting the supply chain and. But a lot of it.

[A]

Remember when they were saying that we're like, our toasters are spying on us? They were like, China was hiding secret Bluetooth in your toaster that couldn't be detected, but it was like scanning everything. I don't think people realize how serious this stuff is. They. They released this program. You can get a chip. I forgot what it's called. You guys probably know, but you can turn your WI FI router into like X ray vision.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

So you can load up this program, it's open source and with a special piece of hardware, it can show you people moving around inside based on the WI FI signal strength. Absolutely insane. So if they, if we're getting all our products made in China, they could easily launch Products that can do these things.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's why the US military banned the purchase of Chinese made products. I think those are in Trump's first term. Imagine what they can do by having these signals in, in a, in a military. They can see how many people are in there. They can probably collect audio too.

[B]

Yeah, they can actually. What router? They.

[C]

Cisco systems.

[B]

Yeah, the Cisco I think. Yeah. That was actually banned in the use within the government about seven years ago.

[C]

Yep. Because all of the stuff that comes out of China has got some kind

[B]

of backdoors and they've been hacking. Those are actually a very. China's been hacking us for a very long time. One of them is a. You know what a PIF card is, right? No, it's that it's like your military ID and you have the. Yeah, the CAC basically. So we have CAC readers and that's for basically the unclassified nipper systems.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so you get these readers and they were Thursby the company and four years we were using them and in 2018, Air Force OSI Office of Special Investigation they actually discovered the hack. They were actually those CAC readers that were developed. Co developed with Koppersky, it's a. The Russian cybersecurity company. They have the. What is it? The antivirus. So they stole over 7 million records. And if you guys don't know, this is the software where everybody's security clearance information is plugged into that. I think it's like defense information something system. And that's where any security officer or facility officer, they take your name Social Security to verify like you have a security clearance and whatnot. Seven million records. And that's back in 2000, between 2014 and 2018. That's when we found out about it. And shout out to OSI actually they have a really good intelligence division but that's the capacity we're dealing with. And China is using any way possible to hack our systems. And it's really hard to track everything and just be aware of what you're buying. And you can go to disa, the Defense Information System Agency. DISA mill an approved product list. It's actually pretty good. And you can stay fairly secured because they keep up with what they actually secured nowadays.

[A]

We were talking about this a little bit before the show. I've maintained for a long time now at this war that the purpose is to cut off China from its energy and that it's possible that these plans extended well beyond the Trump administration. And there's holdovers and military and so can you, can you break down for us why we went to war with Iran this, this past time? I mean, I, I think we've been accountable to them for a long, long time. But you know, Trump sending the Armana and all this stuff, you know, why, why was, what was the plan?

[B]

So the, the, I can't get into the details because I. Classifications. Yeah, classifications. But the, the overall, like we had to cut China off. We had to cut China oil. They were getting oil from Iran to like basically $5 a barrel. That's.

[C]

Whoa.

[B]

Yeah. And that's like, holy crap. Yeah.

[A]

Iran's basically like free, basically.

[B]

Yeah. And, and so we had to, we had to cut that off.

[A]

But can you, can you say why, why Iran was doing that?

[B]

Because Iran couldn't, because of the sanctions on Iran, they couldn't sell their oil to anybody else. So China was basically one of the couple places they can sell like, I think maybe like only China and two other countries they can sell oil to. And so China was buying about 95% of the Iranian oil. And that's why China got ahead so fast as far as their technology and everything else, because energy is dirt cheap for them.

[C]

Yeah, I think it was, it was 80% of everything Iran ship went to China.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So it was, it was 13 to 14 of tried. China's total seaborne imports were from Iran.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Which is, I mean, that's not, obviously not the majority, but it's a significant amount. Excuse me.

[B]

Yeah, that's seaborne. It's seaborne. It's, it's not just oil. That's basically import on anything. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

And there were, and Venezuela was adding like around 500,000 barrels a day, which is like 4 to 5% of seaborne crude going to China.

[B]

You know, so, and that's basically, that's what we did. We cut Venezuela off and we're cutting China, sorry, Iran. And I think Iran's oil, they're going to lift some sanctions because Iran, they need to be able to sell their oil to somebody else. And I think most of their oil is going to get redirected to Europe and that will alleviate a lot of the energy cost in Europe and it will be good for the European and. But no matter how this deal was going to go down, whether the war continues or not, somebody is going to be upset and that's just the way it is. But we have to look out for our national interest.

[A]

But we're going to go to war. China, you're saying we got a couple years left.

[B]

I believe 2029, we'll end up in an actual kinetic war with them.

[A]

That's World War Three.

[D]

What would that look like?

[B]

I mean, it's a nuclear power.

[A]

So you see, you think you're going to go flying.

[B]

I mean, so, so, so let's break

[A]

this down, though, because it's a bold claim, because if. If you can sell it to me, I'll go buy a bunker right now. Disappear off into the woods. Why do you think we're going to be in war with China 2029?

[B]

We will have to. It's inevitable because the way China is rapidly ramping up production and dominating the production around the globe and the market, I mean, they're going to surpass us as the number one global power, and

[A]

we won't let that happen.

[B]

And obviously, I mean, do you want them to be.

[A]

Well, I do like Chinese food. I mean, I, for one, welcome our new Chinese Communist over.

[D]

I mean, a nuclear war.

[B]

Han. Han has got a restaurant right around the corner.

[A]

Perfect.

[B]

Perfect.

[A]

And, you know, like, being part Asian, I'm sure they'll totally accept me.

[B]

Yep. Yep.

[D]

I don't. I don't buy it. I don't believe that there will be a war in 29 with China. I just. I see no value.

[A]

And you also believe you can stop the rain with your mind.

[D]

But I'm not saying. I said I don't believe. Like, you gotta.

[B]

What's the magic word again?

[D]

Give me a reason. Because a new.

[B]

What's the magic word? Do I have to tell him, Ian?

[D]

Oh, your magic word.

[B]

No, what's the magic word? When he stopped the rain.

[D]

Alua. What you were saying earlier.

[B]

Yeah, a lot.

[D]

But I mean, it seems like a ridiculous contention that the US and China would go to nuclear war just to try and. Because then we would both lose.

[B]

It's.

[A]

That's how fights happen, bro. Yeah, someone thinks they're going to win. I mean, or like, they don't think at all.

[D]

I'm talking to a honest question.

[A]

What was the last time you were in a fight?

[D]

38 years ago, I think, like a legitimate fight.

[A]

Yeah, me too. Probably decades ago. You know, I've had. I've had like, little scuffles here and there. You can watch them on live stream. But I've never actually gotten to a physical. Well, I don't know. There's a guy to Occupy Wall street who smacked my phone and I grabbed his arm and locked him. Like, I just held him because I didn't want to get into a fight. Well, my point ultimately is when People fight. They're not sitting there being like, bro, we can't fight because then we'll both lose. It's a guy being like, I'll kill you, and then the other guys are

[C]

going to kill you first.

[A]

And they start swinging at each other,

[B]

incensed, you know, somebody will come on top.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, we'll both be all messed up.

[B]

I mean, I mean, anything could happen. But that's my prediction, honestly, for multiple reasons that I cannot divulge.

[A]

Well, let's talk surface level stuff, though. Let's talk about economics. Like, what is China doing right now? That's the biggest threat. We've given them our manufacturing for decades. Are we shocked this is happening?

[B]

No. And we kind of shot ourselves in the foot. And from foreign policy perspective. And we should have dealt with Iran about 20, at least 25 years ago.

[A]

And.

[B]

And I actually made that suggestion when I started working with the Americans back in 2003. And I was like, you, you guys should deal with Iran, like right now and get it over with.

[A]

Well, they certainly wanted to.

[B]

Yeah, I was. Yeah, I was laughed out of the room.

[A]

Well, I mean, that was the point of going into Iraq and Afghanistan. We set up all these bases on both sides. We wanted to be able to strike on every front. But Iran is not a small desert nation. It is a populous mountainous nation. And it's not gonna be easy for the US to conquer.

[B]

Yeah, it's not. But it would have been a lot easier when we had our full military between Iraq and Afghanistan. So we can attack them both.

[A]

Why not just nuke them?

[B]

Yeah, well, a lot of people, I'm not big fan of nukes. Those things are ugly.

[A]

Well, there's a conspiracy theory that nukes don't exist.

[B]

For real?

[A]

Yeah, there's a conspiracy theory that nuclear weapons do.

[B]

Not a real thing. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

People that believe that.

[A]

So what these people believe. Like we saw the Moab, remember the mother of all.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Massive. So the conspiracy theory is that explosives exist and massive ordinance exists. So when we bombed Hiroshima, Nagasaki, we were just using massive traditional payloads, but we claimed it was single nuclear bombs to make it seem. Look how powerful we are. Since then, the nuclear weapons that the US claims to have. Well, that the US we believe has. Are upwards of 12, 50 times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[B]

Yeah, those hydrogen bombs. Yeah.

[A]

So those, those are generation one. Now we're talking about MIRs, multiple independently targeted reentry vehicles. A single ICBM carrying up to 12 warheads, each of which are several Orders of magnitude stronger than those bombs and. Or at least an order of magnitude. No, actually I think it would be several orders. And so the conspiracy theory is that's all fake. The footage of these big nuclear blasts and everything was meant to scare our enemies and we actually don't have them because if we did we'd use them because why wouldn't we? And here's the honest question. What is the argument for the US not using nuclear weapons on Iran? I'm not saying we should. I'm saying what is the practical legitimate argument the US Would not use even low yield nuclear weapons to, to end the war and just win.

[B]

Yeah, you don't want a lot of people dead.

[A]

But again, I'm not talking about high yield, like mega. I mean I'm talking about low yield tactical stuff. The lowest pepper their seaboard and wipe out their military capabilities in the Strait.

[B]

Yeah, I mean the lowest that we have, it's, it's probably at least 10 times more, more powerful than Moab.

[A]

Well, no, we've got a gravity bomb was developed about 10 years ago that is a much more compact, very, very small version of the original bomb drop. Comparable power to what we dropped on, on Japan, but it's very, very small. So there are, there were questions about why would the US develop a gravity bomb? You need a bomber for it. And they said we streamlined lined it, we revolutionized it. It's small, compact and, and now one bomber can carry several and much more powerful. You have options. So we have these. You don't need to wipe out whole states and kill 10 million people. You can, the US could be using very effective low yield and even low radiation. But we never see this in action. We only ever see traditional weapons.

[B]

Yeah, I mean you need to look at it. This is a multiple. I mean they could use that, but I mean still it's going to kill. Traditionally it's going to kill a lot more people is just the way it is. But globally, I mean, how is that perception to look?

[A]

I mean I think if I was going to make the argument like if someone asked me like hey, why shouldn't we nuke Iran? I would say because you need people there to run the show so that you can actually win something. Unless you're talking about boots on the ground taking the whole country over.

[C]

The.

[A]

This, what Trump has right now with this deal is one of the best outcomes you could probably get from a war. You need someone who will negotiate, who will agree and then run things. Otherwise you're leaving a smoldering wasteland for

[D]

the record, the Cold War nuclear weapons, the B41 was a 25 megaton. The ones they're using now are like 400 kilotons. It's their 50 times smaller, 80 times

[A]

smaller, 500 kilo, 400 kiloton.

[D]

Or do you mean 0.4, 400 kilotons, which is point four mega?

[A]

Because we've got the B61 gravity bomb in commission, which is 0.3 kilotons. That's very, very, very, very small.

[D]

Right, right. Very accurate and very small.

[A]

And we don't use them.

[D]

They're aiming for now.

[A]

And these, and yes, I understand these probably will result in more death if you're targeting civilian infrastructure, if you're targeting military infrastructure, it's no different than using 10 of the other bombs.

[D]

I just.

[A]

And it shows we mean business. I guess the argument is once you cross the threshold of it's nuclear, you open the door. I don't, I don't buy that, though. I think that I also don't believe in mutual ace or destruction.

[C]

Hypothetically, like if you had a conventional bomb that had a yield that was higher than, say, the smallest nuclear bomb that you could make or that they could develop, you still, if you use the nuclear bomb, the rest of the world is going to say they use nukes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And whether or not you believe it, I mean, you may not think that it's valid, but I think that on the international stage, that there are people that will say the thing that the downstream effects of using a nuclear weapon,

[B]

it's a political disaster. I mean, it's a political disaster. And there's a reason when Trump made that comment, what is it, power plants and bridges day?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I knew that was not going to happen because as soon as you get to that point, you literally send that country back into the stone ages and it will be a hundred times more expensive to redevelop.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

And, and so I know the goal

[A]

is capitulation by force, not wiping them out.

[D]

Only if you're already in a total war would you wipe them out.

[B]

Yeah. And like even, even during Saddam, the, the invasion of Iraq, actually, I was still in Iraq, so I remember both. And they did not completely destroy the entire infrastructure. What they did, they used what, whatchamacallem, the electronic bombs that actually disabled power plants and whatnot and did not actually bomb them to where they cannot be repaired, but they were able to kneecap the Saddam army to be able to go all the way to Baghdad, accomplish the mission, overthrow the regime, but they didn't Actually completely destroy the infrastructure. What happened Iraq got destroyed is actually because of the after fact. Because the Muslim Shiite

[C]

war.

[B]

War, yeah. And they were slaughtering each other, killing each other, IEDs and whatnot. They were obviously the Jiwa terror. So when the, the, the, the terrorist, Al Qaeda whatnot, they start using civilian infrastructure to actually launch massive like very aggressive attacks. And that's how we most of it got actually destroyed. So yeah, that's that. I think there's an inevitable war with China. I hope it does not become nuclear. But there's actually a bigger threat. China is actually way ahead of us. It's called, you called it multiple re entry vehicle.

[A]

Multiple independently targeted reentry vehicles.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's actually the actual military terminology and I made a post and I put a study. It's actually hypersonic missile glider vehicles. That's the designation that we have for it. And China is way, way ahead of us in that technology. And the iron dome Trump was talking about, that's not going to stop it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's what we are trying to do. We're trying to figure out a way to actually stop that particular threat.

[A]

So here's the, the MERV. These things are, these are easier ancient. This is 1968, the first test, 1970 for, for actual use case. This is ancient tech. The, the reason hypersonic missiles are a threat. This is what you got to understand. All of these ICBMs are faster than sound. But they go up into space or they go up high in the atmosphere. They can be easily detected by radar, long range radar. Hypersonic missiles stay very close to the ground. So by the time they're coming around, you are too late to detect them. That's the challenge. They're super fast. They're actually not as fast as some of the ICBMs we have. But they're harder to detect because they fly low.

[D]

Well, these hypersonic glide vehicles fly high. The glider takes them way up and then they drop from the glider and go hypersonic down.

[A]

So we use that on Iran, which is incredible. We actually launched these missiles from fighters that they go straight up and then come straight down. We got insane weapons and there's rumors that we actually have rods from God. Are you familiar with these? Now they're a hypothetical weapon. Some people believe they are real where we launched gigantic tungsten rods into space and keep them in orbit because you actually don't need the fuel to launch them. The idea is you keep them in orbit, it's not that much energy to maintain its orbital velocity. But at any moment, you can drop this gigantic tungsten rod down, and it's like 10 times more powerful than the most powerful nuke we have. In fact, they were featured in the GI Joe movie 14 years ago.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I could be. Just because I had a top secret security clearance and with access to sensitive compartmented information and a counterintelligence polygraph, that doesn't mean I had access to everything. A lot of people, they think there's a misconception that when you have that the highest level of clearance. No, there's a. That's why we have SAP. So here's special.

[A]

Here's the GI Joe film with a hypothetical tungsten rod being launched from a satellite onto the uk. I love how in GI Joe, they just literally vaporized London City. It's gone.

[B]

Believe it or not, they're like, oh,

[A]

my God, you blew up London. Just. There's no more London, ever. The GI Joe universe. It's just. There you go. Now, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't do this, you know, but this is the idea, right? They've got a satellite loaded with tungsten rods and it just drops them, and then London.

[B]

I know. I don't know what.

[A]

20 million people are dead.

[B]

We do have weapon systems up in space, and those are not classified.

[A]

Well, remember when China fired the lasers over Hawaii?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the media said it was a conspiracy theory. I'm going to pull that one up. That's freaky. That should freak everybody out.

[B]

Yeah. So.

[A]

And everybody was like, marjorie Taylor Greene is crazy for thinking they're space lasers. And they're literally are space lasers.

[B]

So you can look that up, and after that you can look something up, and that's where the Chinese is actually ahead of us.

[C]

What's that?

[B]

The DF17?

[C]

DF17?

[B]

Yeah. DF17. Hypersonic missile glider vehicle. And that's actually.

[A]

Here we go.

[B]

The least technical one.

[A]

They have China's green space lasers in Hawaii. Check out this video. Remember that?

[B]

Yeah. Was that. When was that. Was that in?

[A]

This is slowed down, by the way.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah, it was scanning. We believe it was doing topological scans.

[C]

Dong thing 17.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Chinese environment warning satellite beams, green lasers. And a lot of people were like their energy weapons, but they wouldn't have the energy directed energy weapon from 55. Was it about probably 50. Was. It was low orbit, like 60 miles or something. It's more than that, right?

[B]

It's 160. Nah, I think it's less than 100 mile.

[A]

I think so, too. Oh, no, it's it's 100. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when they're. When they're using weapons and stuff, it sits around the low end, but it can be 100 to 1200 miles low orbit. So Starlink apparently is around 250 miles. They're likely using a similar. It's very. It takes a lot of energy to maintain low orbit because they have to move substantially faster.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Basically, for those that don't understand how orbit works, you're always falling. The International Space Station is falling straight to Earth, but it's moving laterally so fast that it's. It's falling at the same speed that's actually traveling. That's how orbit works. Crazy, right?

[D]

Yeah. Putin said that these hypersonic missiles. He said. I think it was in 2019.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

There's no missile defenses that can stop these things.

[B]

Yeah. The Russian. I think they have the.

[D]

It's called the avant garde.

[B]

I forgot the version they have. But they actually, they initially. Who developed that? China took their model, and they improved on it. And then we found out about it a couple years later, and we're, like, too late to the game. And we did, like, an entire study back in 2022, and at DIA, we have, like, a whole division dedicated to that, and we still don't have anything can stop it. There's nothing out there can stop this, right? Yeah. And if you go to my.

[A]

They got this example of how it works, right?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Ballistic missiles, they launch up and they come down. There's the radio Horizon, so we can detect it from far away. But these.

[B]

The glider vehicle, they go.

[A]

They go low. So this is a hypersonic glide body. It stays relatively low, so it's harder, much, much more difficult to detect.

[B]

And. And it's maneuverable, like the. The warhead?

[D]

Yes. It maneuvers like a cruise missile.

[B]

Yeah. No, they know they can maneuver it. I don't believe something on it. Like, they can avoid it.

[A]

I don't believe in the concept of mutually assured destruction for a few reasons. We've been. We've been told this our whole lives. The reason we don't use nuclear weapons on our enemies is because they would fire nukes on us, and then it would just be nukes flying everywhere. And the first thing I say is, if we nuke China, why would China nuke India? The argument goes back to, like, World War I, World War II. Well, you know, like, China would retaliate, and then we'd invoke alliances, and then everyone's firing news at each other, and I'm like, I don't I don't think so. I think if the US fight a nuke at China and China fight a nuke at the United States, the first thing that probably happens is if we launch a nuke striking China, what is the military benefit for China to strike civilian targets other than mass economic damage, which of course, you know, it's funny when it comes to war stuff, people say like, oh, you don't attack civilians and okay, sure, but like you're talking about surface level war. You really want to stop an enemy from fighting, you need to remove their food. Sherman's March to the Sea. We get it. If you are fighting a like first stage war where it's like, no, no, no, look, we're just going to take out their military capabilities and stop them. Sure. But if you are fighting a to the death Thucydides trap, World War 3 with China, there is a good reason why China would bomb Nebraska to eliminate large swaths of arable land, reducing our ability to consume food. They target California. The eastern California produces like a seventh of the world for some ridiculous amount of food. So they would absolutely target that. However, in the event China hit us, we would retaliate on specific targets to cripple China. They might retaliate back. But, but I don't see China nuking Japan for no reason. I don't see India deciding to nuke Pakistan. Now's our chance. They're nuking. Let's nuke everybody. I, I don't, I don't think it's reality. And additionally, what we already saw during the Soviet, during the Cold War was that there were instances where this, there's that famous incident where the Soviet got a false, false flag warning and the guy in submarine was basically instructed like you have to retaliate. He refused to do it. So I think these things all indicate that the core concept of mutual issue destruction, I believe is not a guarantee at the bare minimum. I understand the idea, certainly it's possible, but I'm saying this idea that it's mutually assured. I don't think anything's assured in that capacity. But I will stress not every nuclear weapon is a one is a thousand is a Tsar Bomba. Not every weapon is a, is a 50 megaton bomb. It's going to wipe out, you know, 100,000 people. Some of these bombs are 0.3 of a kiloton and they're going to flatten a couple acres and permanently destroy a military target. But if we used that against China in war, they're not going to retaliate with A Merv wiping out the US Eastern seaboard. That just doesn't make any sense.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I see your concept. I honestly don't have a particular opinion on it. Like, believe it or not, because it could go either way. If people are crazy enough, they do crazy things. But technically, from military standpoint, like, you don't want to completely destroy a country, especially if you're trying to conquer it. And so you cripple it enough where if you want to take over, you'll be able to actually rebuild and reshape it the way you want. And I, I believe China also have the same theory as the US actually, or the same military strategy as the US has as well.

[A]

Could you imagine how awful it would be if we lost Maau? It's basically the, the, the like it's like 10 times Vegas. All the, all the degeneracy of the world sitting right there. Oh heavens, not Macau.

[D]

There have been.

[A]

Not Macau.

[D]

Like, I think it was the city of Ty. Alexander the Great completely raised every aspect of it, murdered every civilian. I'm not sure if it was tyre. Every once in a while, Genghis Khan would come to a city and they wouldn't surrender, so he would kill everyone in the city, burn everything to the ground.

[B]

Yeah, they burned the library of Baghdad. The story goes that the Tigris river turned into ink color because the library of Baghdad was so big, it had like millions of books and the Tigris turned it into basically a blue ink color for a couple days.

[D]

I was told Scott Horton was saying that during the Cold War, the Americans were ready for a nuclear catastrophe with the Russians. And they said, you know, if this does go to some sort of mutually assured nuclear war, we have all the targets in the Russian cities ready to go. Everything will fire. Russia's done. Also, they had all of China lined up because they said, look, if, if, if the world. If we're going down and America and Russia are going to blow each other up, we're not going to leave the rest of the world. These dirty chicoms was really. And they were like. And I feel like that's still. Right. Is ready to go and now. But now we got decentralized command and nuclear submarines that are ready to fire seven months from now if you launch today. Like sleeper cells basically waiting to pop.

[B]

Yep, we do have those.

[C]

Yeah. I mean there, there were something like 10,000 Chinese nationals that have come over the border from Mexico.

[B]

I believe there are more than that.

[C]

Yeah, I mean that's, that's, that's incredibly Likely. But basically, I mean, it's, it's, you know, multiple. Basically a full army here in the US From China that, that came over illegally, you know, and there's also times where the FBI has found actual Chinese police forces. Not official, but they're basically policing Chinatown. You hear about Chinese nationals sending information, you know, getting caught for espionage, whether it be industrial espionage or espionage against the federal government. China's an adversary. And anyone that doesn't think China's an adversary is.

[B]

They're out of their mind.

[C]

They're out of their mind. They're just naive. And we need to treat China like they're an adversary. We need to do what we can to make sure that. I think that, that what Elon Musk is doing with Tariff AB is great. He's going to be building chips probably for, for, mostly for his own companies. But what's going on in Arizona with building chips out there? The US should look at building chips as a national security issue. Because without these high tech chips that we get from Taiwan now, most of our, our, you know, most of our advantage, technological advantage is gone. You know.

[B]

Do you guys remember when Joe Biden signed that Chips CHIPS Act?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Have you guys actually read the entire thing?

[D]

No.

[C]

It wasn't as good as it wanted it to be.

[A]

I read it three times. There was so many read. I read it before bed. I'm kidding. I did not.

[B]

There were so many loopholes in it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That actually still allows China to still get their supply chain in.

[A]

Does Biden like work for China or something or what's going on?

[B]

I don't think he actually knew what it was when he signed it. It was just basically the commies in Congress when they wrote it up. Well, they just titled it oh yeah, Combat the CHIPS Act.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And, and they're always, they're really good with crafting names for bills.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They want to pass and. Yeah. I don't know who they hired.

[A]

We had someone on the show was talking about how there was this like in the late 2000s or something, a bunch of US politicians met with Chinese officials. And do you remember who was telling us this? And they were like, how do we do what you do? Right. The Chinese government can flatten a residential neighborhood, scattering all the people to the wind, and then build a superhighway in a week. And the US like, this takes us 30 years. And they're like, well, we'll try to do it. My, my conspiracy theory is that Republicans and Democrats before Trump knew that Thucydides trap was A very real outcome. And so they decided, why are we fighting? Like, why am I fighting? I'm rich, you know? So how about this, China? You give me a sweetheart deal, we will work with you to whittle down the United States empire. China will become the new multipolar power. I'm sorry, the new unipolar power. America will wane. We will accelerate the decline of America to prevent a war from happening. And we, the elites of the United States, will transfer our money to Chinese assets so we remain rich forever. I think that was the plan, and that's why they gave all our manufacturing and companies over to China. It's why they've been so deferential. It's why when Trump came in and Michael Flynn said, russia is not our greatest threat, China is, they immediately put him under investigation, tried locking him up.

[B]

What they did to that guy was terrible.

[A]

And then Trump gets in and he says, no, China, it's going to be America. And now what we're looking, especially with this Iran war stuff, cutting off China from half their energy for how many months has it been? About four months of them being cut off. They keep pushing back the timeline by which China is supposed to overtake the US as the dominant power, as the global economic power. And these things that Trump is doing keep pushing them back. I think Trump was like, no, China's not going to be the dominant global power. The US Will, and we're going to bring it all back. And these deep state elements are people. They're looking at massive investments in Chinese infrastructure. And they're like, oh, no, if Trump does this, I'll lose everything. And then Trump's been doing it.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's a major component of it. I think you hit the nail on its head, to be honest with you. I think they were seeing the writing on the wall after they open China to the open market, to the global market, and they're looking at the entire world, and especially with the new generation of people, like youth, they all have a commie tendency because we created that mentality for them. So they were accelerating to actually decline the U.S. and if the elite stays in power, they don't care where their loyalty is, as long as they still have their money and influence and whatnot. And Donald Trump comes in and put basically. Basically slashed it with a sword, I guess, or smashed it with a hammer, and basically he reshuffled all of their plans.

[A]

And could you imagine if you spent 20 years setting yourself up for retirement, your kids in China, and then Trump comes along and he's like, nah, that's gonna be worthless in five years.

[B]

Yeah. That's why they're fighting him so hard. Yeah. I mean, Democrats are Republican. Republicans is actually what really pisses me off. That, that it should, should have been like the, the, the election, the last election. That should have been a wake up call for all Republicans, especially politicians.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, there was like a clear mandate from majority of Americans on what should happens and they're pushing back tooth and nail and they're still stabbing Donald Trump his nominations and like all of his agenda and what the American people of the electorate actually elected him to do. And I want to. Yeah, yeah. It's not. Sorry. Yeah, go ahead.

[A]

I want to jump to this next story. We got something. Post Millennial alleged ringleader of the plot to attack UFC Freedom250 with drones and snipers is a foreign national. The DOJ has revealed that among those arrested in the plot is the alleged ringleader, who is not a U.S. citizen. Abraham Hermosillo Alvarez of Omaha, Nebraska was one of five men whose charge was announced by the DOJ on Tuesday afternoon. Alvarez has been charged with conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S. i just want to pause real quick and say to the Post Millennial, you said of Omaha, Nebraska, and also not a US citizen. So let's just call it where he's from. Unless you're not the information. I get it. The complaint contains no information about Alvarez's immigration status or country of origin. Okay, fine. I can see that. But he consented to a consular notification on Tuesday. It is a requirement in federal court when foreign nationals are arrested to notify the embassy or consulate of the person's home country. It is unclear if Alvarez was in the US Legally. I would just say this. All of the people involved antifa are now foreign terrorists and should be treated as such. They should be arrested. Donald Trump needs to launch a cash Patel an investigation into all these groups. And don't get me wrong, DHS and FBI has already arrested a lot of these guys and they probably have investigations. And I'm just saying go full steam ahead. Arrest them all. Shut it down. Don't let this stuff fester and grow. Otherwise, you know, we're talking about a possibility of war with China in a few years. Imagine what happens if we go to war with China and we get partisans internally in the US Fighting on behalf of China, armed by China.

[C]

That's one of the reasons why I, I don't shed any tears for, for the Justice Department. Looking at people like Hasan Piker Right. Like he's been to China and he endorses that type of government structure. He's doing all he can to undermine the United States, you know, with, with his, his rhetoric and stuff. Like look, if he's working with anyone that has ties to China, you know,

[B]

I have no idea why that guy Hassan, I have no idea why he's not on the TIDE database.

[C]

I mean he's, he's know he's an anchor baby. He was born here in the U.S. but his family's from Turkey. He's clearly anti American and there are allegations that he's got ties to China and Cuba. Probably ties to China, maybe not so Cuba, but so it makes perfect sense that the, the DOJ is looking at him. Right?

[B]

Yeah, but I mean like that guy should like he qualifies to be listed on the TIDE database.

[D]

What's that exactly?

[B]

That's a, the terrorist watch list. Like long time ago before even he amped up his. Because I know people on the conservative side, they were nominated and put on that for a lot less things they said and like these type of people that needs to be nominated and put, and be washed. Because as soon as you get put on that database, you are washed like you are surveilled 24 7. But the problem is there is a massive issue with the intelligence agencies and especially the DOJ and the FBI. Those agencies, I believe they're too far gone. And, and the reason why you think

[A]

Cash can't clean him up and. No, we were talking about this the other day and, and you know we had Tony Ortiz on. He's a good dude. We, we argued on this one though. He's mad that Cash hasn't cleaned, cleaned up the FBI things. Cash isn't doing a good job. And my view is that there's 40, 000 FBI personnel. How do you go through that? It's, it's, it's finding a needle in a needle stack. I mean you can't just fire literally everybody. I suppose.

[B]

So you have to address the symptoms. So when I was at the, when I was working for the government, we had literally commies. Like I'm talking about hammer and sickles pictures and communist leaders on their desk and cubicles and nobody would say anything to them. And a lot of them obviously non white. So. And I had a conversation with the division chief and I asked the person, I was like, do you see so and so's desk? And be like Stephen, don't even open that. I was like, really? Yeah. She'll be like, don't even open that. We'll get investigated and we'll lose our jobs.

[D]

Jesus.

[B]

And I'm like, what are you talking about? And she was like, Minority Indian or Arab. Yeah. And. Or Arabs. And they don't want to open that. And it's a weak leadership and what allowed it. Can I expand on this? Yeah, yeah. We have to address the cause and not the symptoms. Those guys. The symptoms of the actual cause. The cause is the, the attorney class, the. So if you go to USAjobs.gov.com and that's the main government website where you apply for government jobs and just put like a lawyer advisory or legal advisory, those guys, they come in as GS or GG, 12, 13, 14, immediately out the door. So they have like some sort of a seniority level. But majority of these legal advisors or lawyers, they set the policy for the agency and whatever agency. And the majority of them. But 95% of them are far left.

[C]

Yeah. I mean.

[B]

Oh, go ahead.

[C]

Well, the, the ideological capture of the of in the United States, it's not just limited to universities. People think of the universities as, as the place where there's all this ideological capture. The big problem that I think on, honestly the Trump administration is facing is the ideological capture in the bureaucracy, in the FBI, in probably CIA, in. In all of these institutions, specifically law enforcement institutions, that prevent the administration from not just carrying out the, the will of the American people, the, the elected, you know, representative and stuff, but the. That prevent them from actually making changes to the people in the government, you know.

[B]

Yeah, that's what did not happen so far. Why? Because we still have. If, if I was actually advising Trump when they first like took over, I would have gotten rid of all the lawyers within the government and I would have actually worked on that. Have majority of the legal advisory for each division or each government agency lined up and day one, I will get rid of the lawyers first. So because those guys, they going to set the legal policy. Yeah. For everybody. And, and like, because those lawyers, they sit with like a division chief, section chiefs, or like an entire agency head and be like, nope, you're not going to be able to do this. And if you do, you have to worry about legislation.

[A]

When did you. When did you leave?

[B]

I got terminated, actually.

[A]

When was that?

[B]

October 18, 2024, apparently.

[A]

People why they terminate you?

[B]

So politics. Yeah, no, no, I did not. Even though I was listening to your podcast a lot at the time and

[A]

I met, I met a guy, I once grabbed dinner with, a guy who worked in an. Let's just call it an unnamed intelligence agency. And I asked him like what's going on man? You know this, this culture war stuff's crazy. And he says, he told me it's the same inside as it is outside.

[B]

Yeah, very true. So what happened with me? I was in Germany. I arrived in August 2023. I was sent to become the senior Pollard political Advisor for Ukraine. SAG you, is actually that's the mission Security Assistant Group Ukraine. It's based out of Wiesbad in Germany. It's a 35, 36 countries alliance helping Ukraine with like targeting packets, equipment, supplies, all of, all of that stuff. I get there immediately. I noticed the entire mission is about a thousand personnel. They have a three star general or general running it. And when I got there it was a Lt. Gen. Agudo, great guy by the way. And he's got seven generals deputies, seven and that's thousand people there and only 300 of them are Americans. And so it's already heavy top, super heavy top. It shouldn't be that way. So I was there like a few months into it and start. The Ukrainian colonels that we have, basically the joint, joint duty officers that we have, they were coming up to me and because I established like a really good relationship with those guys because my girlfriend at the time is Ukrainian and so I understood the culture very well. And so they were coming up to me. It was like hey Steven, the 10 Bradleys that we received last week, only three of them actually work and the other seven are disabled. And so it was a trend. Same thing with the Abram tanks. It's about 30% of the equipments that we send them actually operable. The other 70 they have, they need to use their know how to fix up like 2 other 3 to get them to work. And the rest would be like just whatever, spare parts, like armor tracks, whatever. So I raised that question and I put a bullseye on my head. His deputy chief of staff, basically one of his general deputies chief of staff and he's still, he's still active actually. And the Air Force National Guard, these two stars actually got rewarded for his malfeasance.

[A]

So what are they doing? They're money or what?

[B]

No, so basically we were sending them equipments that not operable and we were writing it off as operable.

[A]

For what reason?

[B]

Because we can charge so Congress can allocate full price for replacements.

[A]

So they got rid of you?

[B]

Yeah. So it's a money scheme. It's a money scheme for like money scheme within the United States. Not, not The Ukrainian.

[A]

Right, yeah. My, my question with all of this and you know, your experience in intelligence is do you, do you see based on these rifts internally, you said you don't know if you can, if you can salvage these, you see a possibility of civil war.

[B]

Where?

[A]

In the United States.

[B]

In the United States. It's very possible, actually. It worries me, it worries me to the point where I thought about relocating elsewhere.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, Peter Thio went to Argentina and it was specifically over the state of affairs in the United States. A lot of liberals then made the comment, they're like, oh, interesting choice for country. But I think, yeah, when you look at the left in this country with this, we've got the story of this guy, they were trying to massacre civilians at the White House. And I warn all of you, this is just the beginning.

[B]

There's no end to this.

[A]

Oh, it's a generation raised on being told Trump must be stopped by any means necessary. And we are now starting to see this. These guys, a lot of them, 19 years old, two years ago, what do you think they're doing? They're playing video games, but they're watching all this Ms. Now garbage, guys. Holy crap. You know, we, we got, you know, Josh, he puts on the multi screen news so we can watch Fox, CNN, Ms. now and ESPN because you got to put the sports in there, otherwise you lose your mind, right? And wow, Mississippi now comes on and they may as well. Like, if I was going to describe Ms. Now to somebody, I'd say the news starts with three people screaming at the top of their lungs, looking at each other and that's all they're doing. The things they were saying were just absolutely nonsensical. Trump's planning to kill a bunch of people.

[D]

The.

[A]

Then they bring up Trump ruined the reflecting pool and he's wasting all of our money and Trump is bad. Literally every other word of their mouth is Trump. And I'm like, if you watch this, your brain is jelly. Now what if you're 10 years old and your mom's got on the TV and you're watching it and she's saying, Trump's a fascist, he's Hitler, the world's gonna end. Then you turn 19. When we see these young guys, it's because it's their first real opportunity. One of these kids, according to the f, according to the arrest report, the court documents, used his graduation money to buy the weapons to prepare for this. Right? These guys are young, they don't have means yet. So I want, I want to stress this to all the guys out there, I'm going to give you some hopium and I'm going to give you some black pill right there. The truth is, and I was saying this last week, if you are smart and hard working, eventually you just get rich. And I don't mean you're going to be a billionaire. Not everybody gets there. I don't mean you're going to be a millionaire. I'm saying that you will have money. You will find out one day. You're going to be, you'll be like 30 years old and you'll be like, I'm making 150k a year. That's kind of crazy. How did I get. You'll think about every step you've taken because you become you. You inherit the marketplace. So you're a young guy. What job can you get? Low skill. You're, you're going to work at a fast food restaurant maybe, or I have

[B]

an advice for young people, but I

[A]

just want to say. So when you're 16, you say, I'm gonna get my first job. Who's gonna hire you at 16? Moving rocks, lifting rocks, breaking rocks. Maybe you'll make 20 bucks a day. But when you turn 20, now you've already done those entry level jobs and you're applying for assistant manager or even a manager positions. You're 20, 22 years old. You might not be making $30,000 a year. When I was, when I was 23, I got my 23. No, no, no, no. I'm sorry, I would have been. No, I was 23 years old, I got a job for $35,000 a year. Not the greatest, but at the time I was like, dang. I was like, I actually taking home a couple grand, you know, a couple grand every other week, that's more money that I pay my rent. I was like, now I have money. So a guy who's 19 and it's handed $3,000, he goes, I can buy a gun now. So if you're thinking about what comes next and when it comes, it's when these young guys are now entering a labor force where they can make a little bit more money, where they can afford vehicles and weapons. And then you're going to start seeing real bad stuff. One of these guys gets a thousand bucks, he can buy a drone. Now we're in trouble and we've got a generation of these psychopaths, these lunatics, and, and what do you do about it?

[B]

I actually have a solution for this and I hope people actually listens to this. And take my advice, especially if you have a teenager kid fixing to go to college and whatnot. My advice, send your kid to college, get them education, and flood the government system with conservative, hardworking people. Because you have to offset the government workforce. The, the, the mentality of go out there, work hard, be creative, and make money. You're not gonna have that if the socialist Marxist completely take over. I mean, I lived, I lived through Saddam Hussein. I saw my uncle getting hung in Abu Ghraib at the age of seven. And I know what they can do. And they confiscated our entire family's wealth. And so that mentality of the past, it's not going to work in the near future. So we need to shift from that and we need to have your kids or if you are able or willing to go work for the government, go ahead. We need to flood the government system with patriots, somebody who's actually loyal to the Constitution, and not going to go crazy and completely shift the system. Because if they're going to take complete, like, if they completely take over, yeah, we're screwed.

[C]

We were talking about this last night. If the Democrats were to take the House, the Senate, and the office of the President in the next, in the next presidential election, they will push through all of the things they've talked about. They will make D.C. and Puerto Rico a state. They will do mail in ballots from everywhere, just from everywhere in the country where you don't. They'll mail ballots out, they'll do ballot harvesting, they'll do all the stuff that they've done in California, they'll do it nationwide, and then it's over. There will be no chance for the Republicans or conservatives to actually win an election just because of the way that the Democrats and legally push back. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing that it'll be a situation where you can't. Where, like colloquially, it will be that they've rigged the system.

[B]

Right.

[C]

But it will all be done legally. They will be changing the laws. And so Democrats and people that favor that that type of system will be saying, well, then win an election and, and change the law. I mean, we had a guy here the other night, Brian Shapiro, and that was his response. We, we talked about what was going on in California. We explained why it was actually, you know, the, the laws had been changed and it was essentially what people would consider rigged elections for the Democrats. And he was like, well, it's not rigged. It's legal. It's like, look, we understand that they have changed the laws, but he wouldn't Move on past the idea that, well, it's all legal, so it's not rigged. You can set the laws up in, in a way that only one party can win, or it makes it easy to finesse the votes, the, the ballots in a way so that way only one party can win. And, and just because it's legal doesn't mean that it isn't legitimate. Yeah, it doesn't legitimate.

[D]

A rigged economy. The Federal Reserve fiat currency system is rigged. Was rigged in 1913. And then I guess we went off

[C]

the gold standard when, when we don't know how to get out of that

[A]

issue has literally nothing to do with the problems we face anymore. Yeah, certainly the economy is the biggest issue.

[C]

No, it's.

[A]

So maybe, maybe 30 years ago, when we were trying to figure out how do we, how do we succeed, how do you grow, how to develop. And we had this problem where there's an elite class that can control the flow of money, it can manipulate the money supply, and it's always to their benefit. Certainly that's an issue. That system's on the verge of collapse right now because you have a generation of psychotic communists who are trying to massacre everybody. It doesn't matter if you can control the financial system if someone's gonna come

[D]

and blow it up. Oh, I mean, that might. I don't know if it's just the reason is cuz communists have power. I think that system was built to blow up.

[A]

Well, that's not what I said. What I'm saying is that we have a generation ideologically indoctrinated and they believe that the US Government needs to be burned to the ground. You are not going to finance your way out of that problem. You're not gonna manipulate currency out of that problem. In fact, if you weaken the economy, these people go even crazier because now they can't buy food. You strengthen the economy, you don't erase their ideology. Trump could, could institute policy that cuts taxes for the middle class and they'll just lie and claim he's, he's cutting taxes for the rich. Oh, wait, they're doing that nonstop. And Matthew Iglesias famously tweeted in Trump's first term that it was a major success that progressives were able to convince regular Americans that they did not get a tax break when they actually did. So again, you can help people, you can restore their access to the markets, you can, can improve their lives. It doesn't matter because they're ideologically driven.

[D]

I don't think. And I think the economy's Rigged beyond relief.

[A]

I don't again, but that doesn't change the fact that you have people who think the moon is made of cheese and want to blow up, you know, some NASA for it.

[C]

And to your, to your comments on the economy being rigged, if that were the case, then people would be consistently in the underclass and they wouldn't have a way out. People are consistently like, there is more economic mobility in the United States than any other country. You, it's not as easy as it has been in the past, but you can work hard and pull yourself out of poverty. It happens every single day. And so if the, and at least what the way that I'm understanding you say rigged it, it would imply or the way that I'm understanding it is, you can't do that.

[D]

No, it was.

[C]

And that's not the case.

[D]

It was changed to legally be the way it is. Which, so you'd be like, well, the economy is totally legal. It's fiat.

[C]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not, no, no, no, I'm not talking about legality.

[A]

Really good point. This is a really good point. Ian is perfectly exemplifying exactly what I've been talking about in terms of civil war and generational conflict. Ian comes from a generation where the principal issue, the American that the, the, the protesters, the dissidents had was the finance was the Federal Reserve. Today these people couldn't care less. You can go to that guy and say, the Federal Reserve is going to say, but Trump's Hitler. And you're going to say, but they're controlling the economy. And he's going to say, but Trump's hit.

[D]

I watched that in real time, man.

[A]

The Occupy Wall street, you are fighting a fight no one is fighting anymore and no one cares about.

[D]

I wouldn't say nobody.

[A]

Ron Paul.

[D]

It blesses 92 year old heart.

[A]

Exactly my point. But now go ask any of these young people who are trying to massacre civilians, who are killing Trump supporters in the street, like Aaron Danielson, ask those, those far leftists about the Federal Reserve and they'll go, the what?

[B]

I actually had a conversation with the what. She described herself revolutionary. I got an inside look on how they think. Actually, they don't care about what you just said. The economy, they want complete, total power. And I hadn't an extended conversation with that lady and I hope at some point she wakes up, snaps and wakes up to reality maybe once in a gulag. Yeah. And she flat out told me she was like, I'm part of a revolutionary group in Colorado. And they are more than willing to do very terrible things to wield power.

[A]

These, the leaders of these groups come from wealthy families. During Occupy Wall street, the people you're talking about, trust fund kids, I know them personally. They were stealing from the coffers, they were putting the money in their pockets and they had apartments, they didn't sleep in the park. They were notoriously trust fund kids or they were funded by NGOs. These people did not actually care about the economy. They exploited the outrage to foment communist revolution, exemplified by the fact that Occupy Wall street was initially started as Empire State rebellion. Anger over political corruption and bailouts. And then leftists came in, pushed out the conservatives and libertarians, turned it into a communist movement. And then every demand became something based, something weird about ending capitalism. And they'd march around chanting antica pita lista, despite the fact that the first weekend I'm there, there's an elderly couple, conservative, libertarian leaning, sitting on a couch with American flag behind them. And their complaint was the government is corrupt, not the, that capitalism was bad. Trust fund kids and NGOs came in and cut these people out, intentionally lied about people, accused them being scammers, and then took over the infrastructure, siphoned away all the money and said, this is about ending capitalism.

[B]

Yeah, I actually, you're correct. And also a lot of people think these Marxists actually, they're coordinating on signal chats and whatnot. Yeah, there's some truth to that, but there's actually other group chats.

[A]

I'll tell you my favorite moment from Occupy Wall Street.

[B]

Good.

[A]

It actually was not Occupy Wall Street. It was the Trayvon Martin protest. So after Trayvon Martin dies in this scuffle with Zimmerman, you get the emergence of the Black Lives Matter movement. And like we always see with the communists and the Marxists, they are not here for whatever your cause claims to be, economics, Federal Reserve or otherwise. Black Lives Matter. They are looking for large groups of dissidents to destabilize the government. So this was an amazing moment. The organizers of the one of the original Black Lives Matter protests for Trayvon Martin said, we're going to march to One Police Plaza in New York and we are going to let the police know we are upset about stop and frisk and police brutality. And they marched down Broadway. And then something really amazing happened. Large groups of people just follow the person in front of them. The organizers of this event were genuinely trying to organize a march to the police department. The quote unquote facilitators, the tourists. We Call them the Marxists. All it takes is one or two people in front of a crowd to turn, and that whole crowd will turn. One of the funniest things I experienced at all these Occupy marches. They're marching down the street and there'll be journalists in front of them taking pictures. And then like four or five journalists will turn left because they want to get to the side of the march to take shots of it passing by. But the people marching in front don't know this and think those people are walking the direction we're supposed to go. So they turn with the journalists, and then 2,000 people all turned on a side street, and it's his bedlam. So during this, this protest, Occupy Wall Street. Well, I shouldn't even call them Occupy Wall street because they were just Marxists run to the front of the group. And then as the original organizers with their approved right by the police are pointing left, the Marxist people get in front and go like this and pull them back. The whole crowd ignores the original organizers and marches with the Marxist to Wall street, where they jump on the ball and start screaming and complaining once again about capitalism and the US Government. That's what these people do.

[B]

Yeah, Typical tactics. Do you know what's funny back then? Remember, like the MySpace and tagged.

[D]

Remember the website itself?

[B]

Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. That's how they used to organize back then, those Marxists. They used to use those websites, actually. Yeah, it's easy. What year was that exactly?

[A]

12.

[B]

2012. Yeah, yeah. I was here in the United States. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So I think this was. When was Trayvon Martin. That was.

[C]

It was like 12.

[A]

It was like. Was it like late?

[C]

It was like, I can Google it. Find. Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. Because the initial economic collapse, the economy. When.

[A]

Okay, no, it was early 2012. Yeah, it was like early 2012 when these protests were happening. And I'm just sitting there, I'm filming. I was livestream, and I'm watching all of these communists scream anticapitalista. And I started. I busted a gun. I'm laughing. And the original organizers are freaking out, like, what's happening? And I'm like, you dumb college kids have no idea what you are involved in. You posted on Facebook, you wanted to protest police brutality, stop and frisk, and all this stuff. And you let the Marxists in, and they took your event from you and they broke the rules because the original protest was like a permanent march with the police approval of the route they were going to go. And the Marxists were like, nope. And then they Just went and went to the bowl and romped around.

[B]

The funniest thing, the irony of this whole stop in frisk and whatnot. If you look at the Marxists, they took over like in Portland and whatnot. They set up their own checkpoints. They were doing the same thing. They complained about or protesting.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

Well I love this. I love this.

[D]

It devolves into vanguardism. Every time they think they want something where there is no government and everyone owns everything together it turns into a small group of people, people taking control for a short period of time. They promise and then like Stalin's regime or Mao's regime, they stay in power or you know, Kim Jong Un's.

[B]

Oh yeah. I mean I remember like growing up under Saddam. It's, it's, it was like these people are vicious. Saddam Hussein was a, is a Marxist, socialist dictator, non theistic. The religion was just there. But he was actually not a religious guy. That's why any hardliner religion person doesn't matter whether was Muslim, Sunni or Shiite, they were gone. Killed. He killed 16 people out of our family. Assassinated my uncle.

[C]

Awful.

[B]

Yeah dude, it was terrible, terrible. Like yeah, 16 people altogether. That's why. And kicked half of my dad's family into Iran because their great great great grandmother was born over there. So everybody from that side of family got kicked out of Iraq in 1979 and their wealth was confiscated by the government. So yeah, I mean like people think and I don't think these markets like majority of them, those kids, they know exactly what they want to do. They want to have complete power and hopefully soon I'll be able to. I'm compiling a list of other Chinese group chat like Discord and stuff like that. But there's actually other global chat groups that young people are using and hopefully I'll put it out there on X. If you want to check out my X is a Aladdin with double L double D. I want to.

[A]

If you're finished with your point, we'll move.

[B]

Yeah, no, I'll. I'll be posting it hopefully in the next week.

[A]

I want to jump to this next story which is a Kalshi market because there is a 30% share in the prediction market that the US will confirm that aliens exist before 2029. 22% that it will be before 28 now before 2027 is dropping, which is stupid because we're in 2027 so before would have been 2026. But I get the point they're making. They mean by the end of 2027 it's dropped down as the year has gone on. But for the life of me, I am absolutely surprised. When this market first emerged, it was at like 10%. And I called it free money. I called it free money because I'm like, there is zero chance the US Is going to confirm that aliens exist. Well, Neil Degrasse Tyson has come out and he. He dares the government to just show the alien. As disclosure fervor continues to grow at this point, I actually think it's free money to bet on it that they're going to. Because I'm not saying that aliens exist, but at this point, they have propped it up the media to such a degree, it really does seem like they will come out and claim aliens are real. The funny thing is the market resolves to, yes, if they confirm aliens exist. But literally, Trump could be like, aliens are real. And they're like, confirmed. Is that not nonsensical?

[B]

This whole cow.

[D]

She. I mean, this is my opinion, Kalshee is nonsensical. I think the whole online betting thing about I can see what the outcome,

[A]

I can influence the outcome. I can bet on it myself. Then it's not allowed, actually.

[D]

Of course, it's not supposed to be, but it's not.

[A]

It's not that it's not supposed to be that it's actually not allowed. Right.

[D]

But you can, you can do it through channels. And it's just.

[A]

Again, again, my complaint about the betting market stuff is the illegality of individuals purchasing things that they don't set. Like, that they didn't offer to sell in the first place. Or like the argument is, Cal, she's saying that. Not necessarily Kalshee, but the claim that's circulated that it's insider trading and a crime. If an individual in, like in my instance, the example we gave Cal, she has a betting market that I will be at a press briefing this year. And if I told someone I was gonna go and they bought that I was going, and then I went, that's insider trading. But I'm like, hey, I'm not selling these. You can't put that on me. That I told Ian and then Ian said I wanted to buy it. And they say, well, Ian should know better than to buy it because you told him. So if I go out to a diner and then I just, hey, everybody. Small time diner. I see there's about seven customers. I will be at the White House tomorrow. Thank you. And I'm. And I say it's not public. It's all. Not that that's absurdity. Now, as for the function of futures markets, I don't care. People could buy what they want to buy. The question here is why are there so many people that are confident that the US is going to do this? More importantly, I suppose the answer could be if Donald Trump just went on TV right now and said aliens are real and then walked away, it resolves to yes. Is that confirmation? How do you confirm aliens are real?

[B]

I don't bet. I actually never gambled in my life, but this might be something I'm gonna do.

[A]

At this point, I think I got to be honest. I genuinely believe the US is going to claim that aliens exist.

[B]

This is a no brainer.

[A]

You're saying that they will do it?

[B]

I think they will finagle it into a way where they use a crafted word where they make you think they confirmed they are right. But actually it's a non confirmation.

[A]

Well, this is the challenge with Kalshee. It says it resolves to yes if president. If the president, any member of the cabinet, any member of the joint chiefs, any U.S. federal agency definitively states that extraterrestrial life or technology exists before January 20, 2029, outcome verified from the executive branch of the US government. So you mean to tell me if Trump just says aliens are real, that's all that will satisfy this. That doesn't prove they're real, doesn't confirm

[B]

anything, and you can actually legally challenge it too. And, and because if that's their parameter and just because a president comes out and says alien are exist, they do exist. Without actually showing any type of proof. Yeah, you can take a hot mic.

[A]

Well, this is crazy. So I'm not going to buy. Look, $1,000 when you. Three grand, right? Geez. Okay, here's what I'll do. I know a lot of people in federal agencies, so it's got to be the executive branch. It can't come from anywhere else. Now, now we're getting weird here. Why can't a member of Congress be like, I went to a scif, they said don't say anything, but I'm going to tell you. Why is that not confirmation? It's got to be the executive branch. Okay? So if I can find somebody who they have to actively be in the

[C]

executive branch, probably because that would they. If they're not actively in the. In the.

[A]

Then it's not a formal US Declaration.

[C]

Yeah. Then they're not the form, you know.

[A]

Do you think aliens are real?

[B]

I. I don't believe aliens are real.

[A]

You don't think so? No, but you think they'll at least say they are?

[B]

Yeah, I think they're gonna use. I think they're gonna use. They gotta use a very crafted manipulative. Manipulative word to make you assume. They said they confirmed it, but they did not technically. And they gonna run with it as up. Yep. See, this is a confirmation.

[D]

They did aliens.gov so there's like.

[C]

They kind of substitutes an alien and aliens.gov was. Was for illegal aliens.

[D]

I know, but they didn't say that ahead of time. They kind of teased it. And you're like what?

[A]

The green and the black.

[C]

And they're like.

[D]

I mean. Exactly. Carter, Good question. Because bacterial life in Martian ice is not. I mean that is alien life. Technically.

[B]

I mean. Yeah, technically they are, but like, I mean I'm talking about like for me, alien like you're talking about like it's either like some sort of a bean. Yeah. Either like ET alike or like some. A doppelganger. Yeah. Like me somewhere probably in the universe, which I highly doubt that.

[C]

I mean, I. So I mean my opinion on this is it's. It's probable that there is other life out there in the universe. The universe is a real big place. I think it's highly unlikely that there have been aliens that have visited Earth. Not that it's not possible, but the way that we understand physics now that we're. At least as far as I understand and everything that I hear is you can't travel faster than the speed of light. And if you can't travel faster than the speed of light, the distances that we have to be crossed to go from a different star system to ours are just too great. Again, it's possible, but you know, massive objects can't travel at the speed of light.

[B]

Maybe, maybe a different galaxy, they have maybe another like a star sun and stars around it and planets. But not, not, not in this galaxy. I don't know.

[C]

I mean even, even the gal. This galaxy, like the galaxy is again a real big place. There are billions and billions of stars. It seems that most stars have planets around them as well. As far as the latest information that I've seen watching YouTube videos, there's a lot of planets. But getting here, like get crossing those distances. If there is some other physic new physics that are discovered that allow for either some kind of way to travel through space faster than the speed of light or to bend space or some kind of wormhole thing, if that's possible. Fine then. But, but, but again stuff but we've

[A]

already talked about this.

[C]

Well, yeah, I mean, that would be like about aliens too.

[A]

That would be like a, you know, in the year 1500, someone being like, I'll believe that the natives can come from California when they're, when their boats can sail on land. And then they're all laughing, being like, but boats can't say on land. Well, that's the, the argument that aliens would have to abide by some primitive technology that we know of is, it's, it's.

[C]

They don't have to abide by primitive technology, but the idea that we have to buy. They do have to abide by the, the laws of physics.

[A]

Again, my point is why would aliens need to bend or travel faster than light if they have access to technologies and fundamental forces we don't understand or haven't discovered?

[C]

Again, that's what, that's why I say if there's new physics discovered, then, you know, I'd re, I'd, you know, revisit this opinion. My point is that the way we understand things now, I'm not saying that, that we can't learn new things. I'm saying that the way things, that we understand things now, we do have a pretty firm grasp of physics, but if there's new stuff that's discovered, hey, I'm all for it.

[A]

Even, even now, like an Einstein Rosen Bridge is theoretically possible.

[B]

So how far? How, how far. How far Mars. How far Mars from the sun, distance wise?

[C]

Yeah, I don't know exactly. I know it's a three month trip or so.

[A]

Lightwise, it's what, 30 minutes or something?

[C]

Probably something like that.

[B]

Well, that's why they say if there

[D]

were aliens, they would definitely be. So that's how they would get here. Technology we don't know about.

[B]

How far Mars from the end of 142 million miles.

[A]

So 13 minutes. 13 minutes.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

I thought it was 30, 13 minutes for light to travel to Mars.

[B]

So how far Mars from the, to the end of our galaxy?

[C]

Well, our galaxy is a hundred thousand. Which side? I mean, our galaxy is about a hundred thousand light years across.

[A]

Yeah, I think, I mean, you're talking about our galaxy. Yeah, that's just astronomical numbers.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not a physicist, to be honest with you. I was never good at that subject. But I think what Elon is doing is not actually occupying Mars to build a population over there. I think they're using it as a staging station to go to the next phase.

[A]

Of course, of course. The Artemis project was to do the same thing on the moon by launching a bunch of Stuff to the moon. You can set it all up there, and then it's much easier to. When you're on the Moon, it's a lot easier to launch to Mars and other celestial bodies.

[B]

One of the challenges, the gravity, because

[A]

of the gravity, but also because of timing. One of the challenges with going to the moon or Mars is that I think the Mars window is at once every two years, the position, like, so you think about where the sun is, you think about where Mars, you think of the Earth is. You can't. You can't do it. You got to wait until, you know, Mars and the Earth are close enough together that you can actually launch. And in fact, the thing is with. With a launch to Mars, we're actually leading the target. So you're launching from Earth and you're traveling this way, and then you intercept with Mars.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[A]

So it's. Let's see, this.

[C]

26,000 light years from the center of the universe. I'm sorry, from the center of the galaxy. The galaxy is about 100,000 light years across. So if you're going to the. The close edge, it's about 25,000 light years away. If you're going to the far edge through the center. So it's going to be about 75.

[A]

Mars is between 147 and 177 quadrillion miles from the edge of the galactic disk. Yep. Oh, wait, no, that's wrong. It's substantially greater than that.

[B]

That's what I thought. Wait, what?

[A]

Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, it is quadrillion. It is quadrillion.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

If I had a signal here, probably my group chats would be. I have a bunch of nerds.

[A]

So. So I, I don't think that again, when I think about aliens and extraterrestrial intelligence in life, I don't presume that traveling through space again, that, that, you know, even the idea of sailing on land, sailing technology is actually still very, very, very, very close in time. You know, in the last hundred years, a lot of technology, like most of the most like our advanced technologies in the last hundred or so years.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, if you think of how long it was, how long it was from the first flight to landing on the moon. The first flight was in, like, 1918 or something like that was Kitty Hog.

[B]

No, 19. I think it was 1912.

[C]

1912. So 1912 to 1969. And they landed on the moon. Right. Yeah, if you believe.

[B]

That's a very. Yeah, that's a very short.

[C]

Yeah, that's instantaneous when it comes to geological times.

[D]

You know, electricity, man. We cracked some sort of code, some sort of universal code with electricity. We'd probably done it before as a species and lost it, but I don't know if probably is the right word.

[B]

Yeah, electric power. It's very interesting. Electric is very mysterious. I still believe there's a project DARPA is working on, on electric and they believe it's got a lot more secret than what we already discovered.

[A]

So I wouldn't be surprised if they actually do have anti gravity. You know, we've talked to Ashton Forbes quite a bit about this stuff. Yeah.

[D]

Jeremy Riss also.

[A]

And I think that I would not be surprised at all if they, if they had anti graph stuff, I wouldn't be surprised.

[B]

That was something I was never exposed to, to be honest with you. There are so many compartmented projects out there. There's like thousands of them that I was not right on to. So I just know what I was exposed to on the information. Like if, if you guys know, do you know what the yellow side is? What is that? It's the TSSCI side. It's basically a token based login. You don't plug in anything to the computer. It's, it's all digital and it allows you to access the top secret side. But the thing is basically on your token certificate what authorizes you based on your position, what access you have and what information you be able to see. And a lot of times people, they see. This is from the CIA Wires, which is the CIA website. Let me click and see what the CIA is saying. They can't open it. Why? Because their certificate does not allow them because they're not right on to that particular thing. So that's a lot of things people don't know.

[D]

What made you think about that specifically?

[B]

About what?

[D]

About that. The certificate effect?

[B]

No, no, it's a certificate access. It's a token, it's a digital token that you have and it's based on your job description and position and what you write on. And, and the, they, that's what allows you to only get exposed to what you're authorized to expose to.

[C]

It's. They call it like a need to know. They call it secret compartmentalized information. But it's just making sure that nobody

[B]

like you'll see reports. Like you'll see reports. And you click on it and it won't open for you. Why? Because you don't have the permission to open it. And you go to our boss, it was like, hey, why I can't access this and be like, yeah, dummy, because you don't have access to it.

[C]

Yeah. You're. You can have a top secret clearance, but not have, like, access to everything. This particular thing. They only let you know the stuff that you need to know.

[B]

Yeah. And. And it was the same case with me and. And everybody else, by the way. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, I imagine the only person that has, like, universal clearance is, like, the president and maybe the. The. I don't even know if the Joint

[B]

Chiefs would either, though the Joint Chief will have it. DNI will have it. Yeah. There's very few people. They will have access to everything if they request information on it, because most of them, I promise you, they know nothing about half of the programs that we're already working on.

[D]

Why?

[B]

Because nobody tells them they exist. But if they hear about it and be like, hey, I want every information on that, they're legally obligated to actually provide all the information.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Try to keep things secret. You got to keep. The fewer people that know something, the more likely you are to keep it secret. Loosely. Loose lips sink ships, man.

[A]

Yeah. That's why it's really funny when people are, like, committing crimes with their buddies, they almost always get caught because someone blabs.

[D]

Also, why you should not leave anything in plain sight in your car when you park out in the city, especially

[A]

that is because police can claim they thought it was something else and use it as.

[D]

People are very less likely to break it if they don't know anything's there to steal.

[A]

Oh, I was saying that a cop can. Can pull you over and then claim that they see something in the back of the car in plain view that appears to be illegal, and then use that as pretext to search your vehicle. And then you get to argue in court whether he was right or wrong at that point.

[D]

They already have the information.

[A]

Yeah, there was a. There was. Apparently there's a story a long time ago. There's a murderer. He was a suspect, and he gets pulled over for a. A cop sees him driving and knows he's a murder suspect, so he pulls him over. When he walks up to the car, he sees in the back seat what appears to be, like, rope and duct tape and, like, stuff used for murder and this, maybe blood. So he immediately pulls the guy out, and then he. They come and they search the vehicle. They find evidence. They say, we're under arrest. And his lawyers immediately say the stop was illegal. There was no pretext to pull him over. So any evidence gained from that after the fact Is fruit of the poison tree exclusionary rule out. And he got away with it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know exactly what happened. I was reading about this a long time ago, but there you go, you know.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, if. If the government want to go after you, they can claim anything and it's up to you to prove your innocence. And it's basically. We see it all the time. Happens. They did it to me. How they got rid of me. And it's basically. They claimed bunch of things they cannot prove, but they can put it on paper and. Yeah. Good luck, Steven, finding a lawyer and fighting us because it will cost you at least $50,000.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That you don't have.

[C]

And the process is the punishment.

[B]

Yeah, the process is the punishment.

[C]

That's. That's one of the things that we're taught. We talk about a lot around here. The. The idea of the government deciding that they want to go after you. They don't have to have a lot of information. They have to be able to present it to a grand jury and get a. Convince a grand jury. And there's. There's an old saying, you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. So if you. And then once you're indicted, then you have to prove your innocence. You're going to. It's going to be all over press.

[B]

Millions of dollars. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can talk about how they went after me. I don't know if you want to.

[D]

Well, let's.

[A]

Let's jump to this room real quick. We'll get one more in there. We got some mediaite. Joe Rogan claims multiple U.S. presidents directly contacted Spotify in an effort to get his show taken down. This is wild. He was joined by Chase Hughes, the Jordan Experience. He says it was almost easy for me because I gotten such a head start about his show during the pandemic. Rogan. Rogan's talk about COVID vaccines and his criticism of lockdowns and health experts led to plenty of blowback from critics. In the video, he discussed getting Covid fighting it off with a cocktail of drugs, including Ivermectin. Around the time of the CNN controversy, Rogan said PAX and other groups were contacting sponsors and Spotify to derail his show. Thank God I was on Spotify and thank God Spotify is not an American company. And also it helped that I was number one in like 90 countries and not number 90 in one country. You know, that helped. That helped a lot. I can't even talk about it, but there was Presidents involved and former presidents involved. They were contacting Spotify. Oh, yeah. Trying to get me removed for vaccine misinformation, I imagine. And it turned out to be right. All of it. Not a single person apologized.

[C]

I imagine by presidents and foreign presidents, he means Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

[A]

Indeed.

[B]

I know for a fact there were other prime ministers.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And around the globe they went after him.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

They did the same thing to Tate.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Andrew Tate.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Over.

[B]

Over the vaccine stuff or. No, no, no, the fake allegations, they. Oh, yeah, they said that. Like, that's crazy. Yeah. I mean, everybody knows Andrew Tate, what he's doing. He's got this website, he runs this operation. But like the whole trafficking thing. Yeah, trafficking thing and whatnot. It was all cooked up by a certain government, actually. And.

[A]

By which government?

[B]

A certain government. Yeah. Mention it and. Yeah, probably we could talk about it.

[A]

I assume it was the US government,

[B]

the UK government, maybe, and a particular foreign minister.

[A]

It's pretty crazy. Now that we've gone over the data from Stanford showing that myocarditis in men 30 and under was 1 in 16,750, which is extremely high. That is not a rare side effect. That is with the amount of doses they gave. Substantial. And we would have got taken off the air if we brought that up. In fact, at the time, they said, no, Covid is causing myocarditis, not the vaccine, which was a lie. Then we got the study from Nature, published in Nature Scientific Journal, that the MRNA doesn't stay in the injection site, it travels around. And if it got into your liver, it would make you more susceptible to Covid, you'd more likely to get sick. So the opposite of what a vaccine is supposed to do.

[B]

Do you know what's funny? At the time when Covid happened, our division had access to HHS classified information. And because it was tied into a lot of it, it was tied into Chinese research that we were looking at. So we had access to it. And right after the claims of COVID was basically made in China and all that stuff, the vaccine, they like that strip all the access away, even though it was still relevant for the stuff we were doing, combating Chinese influence and stuff like that, within our division, they strip our access to anything related to vaccines.

[C]

Really? Wow.

[B]

And certain companies. And so I immediately knew what it was. So was this.

[A]

Was Covet intended to be a bioweapon or was it just reckless gain of function research?

[B]

That. I believe it was a targeted operation.

[A]

You think it was like. But was it released on purpose?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You think Covid was released on purpose? Was it to stop Trump?

[B]

Well, there's multiple reasons.

[A]

It's not the earth can heal.

[B]

No. So it goes back to the whole communist stuff and their complete power. And it was a. A successful test run on how compliant people can be.

[A]

Yeah, the US was fairly split, but I think like Europe, you know, they. They dropped their knees.

[B]

Yeah. And it was a very successful test run. And so now they know where they at.

[A]

Right, right. One of the theories was that. Well, we. We've also talked about AI. There's a conspiracy theory that Covid was actually an AI test run, that there's a super. That artificial super intelligence already. Already exists. The reason why these companies are spending so much on building data centers despite being unprofitable, is because the superintelligence commands it.

[B]

So they just do.

[A]

And that the intention of the pandemic and the lockdowns was to test the power that the superintelligence would have over the global population. Now you can just remove artificial superintelligence and say various communist governments or authoritarians. It still works, right?

[B]

I mean, they've been working on the COVID 19. I mean, the coronavirus has been out there for a while. We've been working on it and messing with it. But the COVID 19, I was able to trace the first government contracting document or government spending it was back in. I think if you check my ex and just put like COVID 19, you'll see the USA spending funding I posted. I think it was like a Department of Defense at the time, which Department of War. But yeah, you'll see it over there. So yeah, I was able to like the first documented document. I guess our documentation on COVID 19 specifically was 2011, 2012. I was able to find, I'm pretty sure a lot of it. If they're been doing gain of function on COVID 19 specifically before then, it's probably the documents are destroyed because what happened? So the big data merge in 2016, it was during the Trump administration, most of the classified information used to be in like shelves, like literally like from all the way until start digitizing stuff. And mid 2000s or early 2000s. And so during the Trump administration in 2016, they passed a law that every agency, they have to digitize everything and put it in a digital form. But a lot of agencies did not do a good job and especially they got away if they wanted to do shenanigans and get rid of some.

[A]

Yeah, put them all in burn bags, hide them somewhere in the building.

[B]

Yeah. Do you know what actually a burn bag is?

[A]

What is it?

[D]

It's. It's.

[B]

They call it burn bag.

[D]

It's.

[B]

It's actually a weekly classified information burn event. So you got.

[A]

You got to get rid of all the documents, right?

[B]

Yeah. So once a week and. And like, anything marked like secret, top secret and whatever extra classification SP or whatever to it, and it's controlled by the security officer. And so anything classified needs to be dumped. You put it here and we'll go outside, have fun, and burn it together. So that's basically what it is.

[C]

Look at the marshmallows.

[B]

Yeah. So that's what the burn bag.

[C]

When they do. When they do burn bags, like, is it just paper stuff? Is it just getting rid of, like, documents that were printed out? Because obviously, are they not getting out of the computers?

[B]

Yeah. So that's one of the things that was frustrating in the federal government. People communicate. It was like, hey, team meeting next week. Or like, team lunch next week. And they send it as top secret information, like million, like trillions of documents or emails.

[A]

Like, well, look, you know, Rick's been putting on pounds lately, and you guys are going to get burritos again. I didn't want anybody to know, you know, I mean, someone could find out. His wife could find out. You know, he comes back home, the wife's like, where'd you get lunch? Oh, it's classified, you know. You know I can't talk about these things. No.

[B]

So technically, technically, if as. As long as marked, one of our classification is, like, not unclassified and you cannot talk about it.

[A]

Does everybody in the office have the same clearance?

[B]

No.

[A]

So, like, someone next to you might have, like, lower clearance?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

What would anything. Did anything ever happen where, like, let's say, like, what, what. What are the clearance levels? What are they?

[B]

Okay, so if you want to. If a skiff requires top secret, you can't have somebody with a secret. Clear.

[A]

So what are the levels? So there's secret. Top secret.

[B]

So for the Department of Defense, nsa, CIA, it's confidential. So public trust confidential, secret, top secret and top secret sei.

[A]

So, so let's say, like, Ian is only secret. He can't read top secret.

[B]

No.

[A]

So like, let's say we're all in the same office. There could be like, two guys. Top secret, one guy secret.

[B]

Yeah. And if. If a topic would be touching top secret information.

[A]

Can't.

[B]

I'll be asking Ian. It was like, hey, you need to step outside for this.

[A]

Was there was ever an instance where, like, you Know, like, some guy sitting there. And then you go, hey, I'm gonna. I'm gonna send you this file. And then you open it up. It's like, it's top secret. You look at it, and then you look at it, and you start laughing. You point at him, and then the other guy's la.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[A]

You know what I mean? Then he goes, hey, man, what do you guys say? Oh, it's top secret, bro. You don't clearance.

[B]

It may or may not happen.

[A]

You can insult co workers, and they can't legally look at what you said.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, Top secret insult.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Top secret insult. And. And actually, leadership violate that policy all the time.

[A]

I'm sure.

[B]

Yeah, especially in.

[A]

And I'm sure they classified things that didn't need to be classified.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It was like we're talking about lunch, and it was like tssci.

[A]

It was like, well, look, listen, you know, because, look, look, look. You know, Ian doesn't have the top secret. And if we're talking about lunch and we mentioned we're getting, you know, Chipotle, he's gonna be like, yo, can I come? And we're go, oh, geez. And you, don't be a dick. So you just keep that stuff above his classic, you know, his classification. And then he's like, what you guys talking about? Oh, it's this top secret stuff. We'll have to ask her to leave.

[C]

I mean, let's go get Chipotle. Let's go.

[A]

No, Ian, no.

[D]

And where are you guys going to lunch? It's a need to know basis only,

[A]

and you don't need to know. Let's grab your guys's rumble rants and super chats. Smash the, like, button, share the show, all that good stuff. We got a doozy of a uncensored show for you guys. I want to talk to you about some very serious stuff, but we're gonna keep this one. The uncensored show. It's, you know, it's a conspiracy. We'll just call it that. So that'll be [e-mail] Timcast IRL. All right. Paige says tell Aladdin. Page. Tell Aladdin. Paige said to tell the camel joke. He'll know. Are you allowed to, or is that an uncensored show thing?

[B]

Oh, no.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So, by the. By the way, shout out to Paige and the Notorious Lounge. That's a group chat they added me to and turned out to be, like, a bunch of group. Group of people that Are pretty funny. So the cabel joke, basically, I was make it pretty quick. I was doing a training in Morristown, Tennessee, small town at the time, 2011. And it's just mom and pop restaurant. And anyway, this old guy, about 65, 70 maybe, and he looked at me, I was smoking Camel because I smoke cigarettes and I smoke Camels. And he's smoking Marlboro Red. And he looked at me, I was like, what you smoking Camel for, boy? I told him, I don't forget where I come from. I thought he will understand joke. And flew right by the bartender at the time. And she was like. She dropped dead on the floor laughing ass off. And like four minutes later, we're laughing. And I was like, I'm from Baghdad. It made it even more funny. He had no idea what Baghdad is. I was like, baghdad, Iraq, like the war we have in. And he had like, zero clue where that is. Zero clue. And I just, like. It just made that joke funnier. I was like, okay, this guy is. Probably doesn't even have radio.

[C]

I mean, there's a lot of people that are like, man, I don't watch the news, man.

[B]

You know, he's completely.

[A]

We got to go in here. Lime420 says, I am a nuclear energy engineer and former US Navy nuclear reactor operator. We have nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are very real. Oh, yeah? Prove it. Guy on the Internet, you know, look, I'm so smart, I don't believe anything that I read on the Internet, so I don't even believe that nukes exist. In fact, I don't think guns are real either. Never seen one, you know? Now, yeah, bullets are looking around the room like, you sure about that? What? You sure about that?

[B]

Hey, wait a minute.

[A]

Yeah, no, I think we have nukes. I certainly do. I'm gonna say they're conspiracy theorists that go online and claim that there aren't any. They also claim that there is an ice wall and that the Earth is flat.

[C]

And, you know, we've never.

[A]

I did watch this funny video where the lady's like, do you know why they claim the Earth is round? Because if the Earth is round, there's no escape. If they tell you that the Earth was flat and square, you would seek the edge to find out what's beyond the.

[B]

The walls.

[A]

But if they tell you that your cage just is in an infinite loop, you'll never stop. Yeah, what if.

[C]

Get this.

[A]

What if the Earth is flat, but the aliens that lord over us can warp space time? So when you go flat to the left, like Pac man, you wrap around the other side.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[D]

What's going.

[C]

Magic.

[A]

And so the explanation is not that you're teleporting like Pac Man. It's round.

[D]

It's just your perception that's bent. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Do you sometimes watch people talk on the Internet and you feel like you lost, like, maybe five IQ points?

[D]

Oh, God, yes.

[A]

No, no. I think all of it just makes you smarter. I mean, in all seriousness, I will say this.

[D]

I'm like, oh, my God.

[A]

Is it possible the Earth is flat? To the. To the layman, there's a reason why they believe this thing. The answer is yes. None. The average person has not done tests as to whether the Earth is round. They've not, you know, charted the curvature of the Earth or gone to space or done anything meaningful to figure out if the Earth is actually round. So to them, to the average person, if you said, based on the available evidence, they'd say, I don't know, you could go to someone and say, here's scientific evidence, like Eratosthenes had. They tracked the shadows 50 miles apart and then saw the difference and then used that to calculate the angle of the sun and the circumference of the Earth. And this is back in like 10 BC or something. The average person is not going to do that.

[C]

Nope.

[A]

They're not going to call their friend and be like, can you measure the angle of the shadow? So they're just like, I don't know. Now, to be honest, you could do this. You could call your friend 50 miles south and then calculate the curvature of the earth. But you know, to the average person,

[C]

if you know the math, if they

[B]

know the math, and sadly, there's a lot of unintelligent people out there.

[C]

Nobody in square.

[B]

And they do vote.

[A]

And man, you know what, Can I just join the Deep state at this point?

[B]

Just like, can I tell you funny, something funny?

[A]

Phil's. Phil's looking at me and nodding like, is you Phil? Are you Deep State?

[C]

No.

[A]

He was the whole time, unfortunately. Yeah.

[B]

It is, though. Phil, Phil, this is going to blow your mind. Like, you know how they vote in Iraq with the.

[C]

They put their fingerprints Y.

[B]

They sign and they fingerprint. Wow. Why don't we do that? Yeah.

[A]

Because then Democrats can't cheat.

[B]

Yeah. And guess what?

[A]

Don't you, don't you, like, don't you ever. Guys ever sit there and look at all how stupid people are and just think, like, maybe the Deep state's right.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

You know, maybe Bloomberg was right.

[D]

We should tax the poor for 15 years, man.

[A]

I told you guys.

[D]

Ian was deep state generally stupid animals. There's a small number of them that are intelligent enough to lead the show.

[C]

That's why.

[A]

Do you know why I don't agree with that authoritarian system? Why I don't actually want a centralized deep state who thinks they're smarter and better than everybody.

[C]

Why is that?

[A]

Because they're like Ian. Like Ian sitting here saying he. Like, he told us. He told us what? A couple of weeks ago that he was smarter than everyone in Congress.

[D]

I'm not sure I use that phrase now.

[A]

I just want to say you literally did.

[D]

I was indicating that most congress aren't genius.

[A]

Now, Ian, you've pointed out that most people are stupid. Or there's a lot of stupid people. George Carlin said it. Imagine a system run by someone who thinks these people are so insanely stupid. I should be in charge. Also, I can control the weather. That's a government I don't want any part in. You know what I mean?

[D]

I'm a lot about decentralized authority.

[A]

Let me tell you this, Ian. If you actually demonstrated undeniable proof you controlled the weather, I'd vote for you.

[C]

Really?

[A]

If you went outside and waved your arm and a storm cloud appeared, bro, I'd bow before. I can make it be like Ian,

[C]

no, you can make it rain.

[D]

You want me to make it rain right now?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Start a call.

[D]

She.

[A]

If it rains. You've got 45 minutes.

[D]

Yeah, give. Give me about an hour. I'll. I'm just gonna sit here and focus, but I'll see if I can draw some wrinkles. I mean, it would kind of suck to have a storm tonight, but.

[A]

All right, I'll tell you this. It's not definitive proof, but if it rains. If it rains by the time we leave this show, you know, you know, you. I'll be questioned. You know what I mean? Maybe if you can do it like five times in a row. I know I gotta demonstrate that you can actually control the weather, then it's over time.

[C]

The weather says it's gonna rain tonight.

[D]

No, really?

[A]

I'm seeing 55. Ian's already won.

[B]

You see 55. Oh.

[D]

So what's your outcome? Do you want me to make it rain or not rain? I'll do one or the other.

[A]

Hold on,

[D]

I'm looking at.

[A]

I'm looking it up. No, I didn't say rain.

[C]

No, it's.

[A]

It's cloudy.

[C]

That storm might tomorrow morning.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Okay, Ian, I'll tell you this. You got an Easy one. It's cloudy right now and storm's going to hit tomorrow morning. But if you can make it rain tonight. Oh, okay, then I'll, then I'll, then I'll. Then I'll.

[B]

You have until midnight.

[D]

It was going to be 72 clear all night.

[C]

I, I'm not on board with this. If you could really make it rain, you could make it rain in 20 minutes. If, if, if you, if you have to be like, oh, you know, at some point in the next couple hours, I'll make her in. Make it rain now.

[D]

Depends.

[A]

Well, yeah, but, but, but, but hold on. Like let's say Ian can make it rain because he can force water particles together. He can't create the water particles.

[C]

If he can, if he can part the clouds and make sure that the storm doesn't hit the White House.

[A]

That was over a few.

[B]

How long did that take?

[A]

That storm was heading over a few hours into D.C. and I started at

[D]

about 5:30 while I was driving towards D.C. is when I started focusing on and off about an hour and a half.

[A]

That's a lot of material for Ian to move with his mind.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know like, if you ever think about like a giant, right? You see like in TV shows, someone turns into a giant or whatever or they like tag of the 50 foot woman. People don't understand scale. So if you were 100ft tall, the for your hand to go into your pocket would have to move like three football field lengths. Well, if you're 100ft, not really, but it would be like half a football field for your hand to go in your pocket, someone watching you, you'd be moving really slow because if your movement, if you moved the same speed but you were a hundred times bigger, the distance between your pocket arm would be massive. Your arm would have to move at hundreds of miles of per hour to close that distance to simulate the same proximal speed to a smaller person. Right. My point is Ian might be able to blow on something and it rolls away. But to blow an entire clout, which is thousands to tens of thousands of tons, if not more, might take him a little while.

[C]

You know, I mean, it might.

[D]

Depends on what.

[A]

Here's a good example. You ever see a wind turbine spinning and it looks like it's going like slow, like you can see it going around and you're like, oh yeah, it's going like 200 miles an hour or something. Insane. It's whacking birds. It goes whack and the birds, his,

[B]

his Ideology is actually not far off from what Muslims do. Like, have you.

[C]

Have you guys heard of Muslims can change the rain? That was the Jews.

[B]

They have a special prayer, like for same thing. I think the Jewish people have the same thing. Like if they have like a drought season and whatnot, they have like a special prayer, but they have to do it.

[A]

Yeah, but I think Ian's more like the Aztecs. You know, like splay a child and pull his heart out and then maybe the crops will grow.

[D]

It could be a whole other religion because it's just magnetic focus. I don't know.

[C]

It's not magnetic.

[D]

Well, like, I don't say any words. A lot of these religions have mantras.

[A]

You know what magnetism is?

[C]

No, he does not.

[D]

Figuring it out.

[A]

You want to just Google it right now and then maybe your perspective will change because you keep using that word magnetism.

[C]

He doesn't want to do that either.

[D]

He wants a basic modern scientific understanding of magnetism.

[A]

Well, you keep saying magnetism, but using it ways. It doesn't apply to the general science. No, it's not. It's a specific reference. We're gonna go to the uncensored portion of the show, ladies and gentlemen, and we got a doozy of a story for you. You're not going to want to miss this one. It's going to [e-mail] Timcast IRL. And this is one of those things that YouTube would get mad about. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Sir, do you want to shout anything out?

[B]

Yeah. Thank you very much for hosting me. You can follow me on X and I have a very small YouTube channel where you can see my Ukraine work over there. It's same thing. It's Aladdin 1983 and Aladdin is with double L, double D. And I want to shout out to data Republican Jenica, thank you very much and thank you for everything you've done for me. You've been a great friend and a great family to me.

[D]

Nice mad info, man. That was great. I'm at Ian Crossland. Follow me at Ian Crossland. I'm going to get negative here in focus. So I might not be so personable on the after show, but I'll bring some moisture together and see if we can make it rain.

[B]

Phil.

[C]

I am Phil. That remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget, forget Ian can't change the

[B]

weather, by the way.

[A]

Now, you're gonna get those signs your next show.

[B]

If you guys. If you guys not familiar with the all that Romaine Band, it's actually a great music.

[C]

Thank you very much.

[B]

Thank you. That's his band.

[D]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. Wow.

[A]

What a coincidence.

[D]

Anyway, you can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere. And at Carter Banks official everywhere else. Follow the record label at Trash house Records on YouTube. New song coming out, 619. Check out the promo. And yeah, can't wait for the after show.

[B]

This sounds like it's going to be spicy.

[D]

Well, it's up the rain.

[A]

We'll see you [e-mail] Timcast IRL right now for the uncensored portion. Thanks for hanging out.